The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Brief Border Visit, and Prince Harry's Media Tour, with Greg Kelly, Sophie Corcoran, and Leilani Dowding

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday. Here we go.

00:00:17.400 Another week. Let's do this. An interesting weekend in politics. Kevin McCarthy finally

00:00:22.880 became Speaker of the House on his 15th try late Friday night and President Biden finally showed up

00:00:30.000 at the southern border after like 200 years in politics. He finally made it down there for a

00:00:36.500 glorified photo op. So you can rest assured he's on it. He's on the case. Will anything change?

00:00:42.720 Anything? Did he apologize to the Border Patrol agents for smearing them as a bunch of

00:00:47.420 whippers of migrants while he was down there? No, we'll get into it. Plus later, we're going to get

00:00:52.720 into Prince Harry continuing to throw his entire family under the bus with one interview after the

00:00:57.140 other. Thank God. I think it's over this week. I think it's finally over so we can stop talking

00:01:02.260 about these losers. But while they're out there telling lies, we will continue covering them

00:01:06.520 because it's absurd and we're not going to let them get away with it. First, however,

00:01:09.960 we are joined by Greg Kelly. No relation, but a dear friend. He's host of Greg Kelly reports on

00:01:16.180 Newsmax and he's author of the new book Justice for All, how the left is wrong about law enforcement.

00:01:22.700 It's a subject near and dear to his heart and the heart of those he loves most in this world. Greg,

00:01:28.800 great to have you back. How are you, Megan? I'm terrific. Thank you so much. We are so

00:01:33.240 proud of you. Those of us who know you from earlier in your broadcasting career,

00:01:38.940 what you've accomplished is amazing. And what an insane moment we're all in the middle of. I never

00:01:48.080 dreamt it could have come to anything remotely like this. But but here we are. Right is wrong

00:01:53.460 and wrong is right. Yeah, it really like the world has turned upside down. And that's one of the things

00:01:58.600 I was going to ask you about. But this is a good place to start with. It is when you first start

00:02:03.500 launched your show on Newsmax. I remember you saying something to the effect of, look,

00:02:07.280 sometimes I'll be pro Trump. It was during his presidency. Sometimes I won't. And you sounded

00:02:11.700 like a like a right leaning guy who was sometimes moderate, whatever, but like unpredictable.

00:02:17.580 But don't you feel like since that point, the ground underneath your feet has shifted? It's like,

00:02:23.900 I don't know what left and right even is anymore. It has. We are in a parallel universe. I

00:02:32.240 am particularly dismayed. And you're right. I started as the show is one thing and it's evolved

00:02:38.220 into something else. And I think I had to, quite frankly, pull the emergency cord to choose a side

00:02:45.000 to stay with that side because the other side is lying. They are addicted to lying. They are,

00:02:52.800 quite frankly, I believe. And this does sound extreme. And I would not have believed it two

00:02:57.680 years ago, maybe three years ago. They are out to destroy the country. Now, Joe Biden is running

00:03:03.980 for reelection without opposition. There's no significant effort in the Democrat party to stop

00:03:11.400 him. Now, anybody can see that this man does not belong in office and obviously should not be running

00:03:18.180 for office. So what does that mean to all of us? I think it means that the entire system is in fact

00:03:23.640 raked. They have nothing to worry about because big tech is on their side. The mainstream media are on

00:03:31.220 their side. The federal government, the Department of Justice, the FBI are on their side. So for me to

00:03:39.160 play it straight, to say, well, maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, everything kind of came

00:03:46.040 together. And I said, I have to pick a side and I'm going to pick the side of truth. Now, I understand

00:03:51.360 there are reasonable people who might disagree with all of that. I think they're reasonable but

00:03:54.960 misinformed. But that's how I became what I am now. No, but I understand what you're saying. I saw it

00:04:02.840 happen. I saw it happen with you. I saw it happen with the country. I mean, even like Stossel and I

00:04:07.760 were talking recently and he's like, I always thought you were kind of, you know, left leaning,

00:04:11.480 if anything, in your politics. And I was never really left leaning except when I was much younger.

00:04:16.240 But I was more left on a couple of social issues, you know, a couple of years ago. And then it's

00:04:21.240 just I don't even know what what is what does that mean? Even my closest liberal friends don't even

00:04:26.840 understand what it means to be liberal anymore. Does it mean you support the mutilation of five

00:04:31.480 year olds who you've decided want to change their gender because they wore a dress one day? I mean,

00:04:37.300 we're having the craziest stuff happen that no sane person would support. And you're told you're like

00:04:43.720 a far right person if you object to that kind of stuff. In any event, it really has been a wrong

00:04:48.900 is right. A left is right. A weird sort of ground shifting, as you point out. And I find it as

00:04:54.500 disconcerting as you do. So it is interesting to find to wonder what Democrats would have said from 20

00:05:02.260 years ago about where we are right now. I mean, no reasonable Democrat from 2004 would be advocating

00:05:09.360 that drag queens should be in schools reading to children. I shouldn't be in schools reading to

00:05:16.720 children. I don't have a certificate. I'm not a teacher. I have no desire to be in those classrooms

00:05:22.640 reading to children. And by the way, if you want to be a drag queen, that's fine. I happen to be a fan

00:05:28.800 of RuPaul, one of the best cross dressers slash singers, dancers. He's terrific. But he made those

00:05:37.140 decisions as an adult, 18 and up the perversion, the sexualization of children. I would think that

00:05:46.020 this is something that we could kind of all embrace and say, this is wrong. And that's why Donald Trump

00:05:53.280 as bombastic and eccentric as he can seem is the mainstream candidate. Somebody once said about

00:06:03.520 these politicians, especially going back to Nixon, look at what they do, not what they say.

00:06:09.720 Actually, Trump is tempered what he's saying. But you look at his agenda. It is a traditional

00:06:16.160 American agenda, one that I am comfortable with more than comfortable with. I think

00:06:22.000 it's our last chance to save the country. And I do think and at the moment of truth, I hope that

00:06:27.800 Donald Trump reaches out to the left. I remember in Rocky 2, the rematch between Apollo Creed and

00:06:34.980 Apollo, Apollo Creed and Rocky, Rocky switches from southpaw to right-handed. And it confuses the

00:06:43.080 champ. And I think that Donald Trump has a moment like that in him as well, that there's so much of

00:06:48.140 his message that could actually appeal to the left, to those left of center, that Donald Trump wants

00:06:55.540 the world safe for everyone. If you want to be trans fantastic as an adult, no one can really argue

00:07:05.300 with that. No rational person, I believe, can argue with, well, I take that back because they do all

00:07:10.560 the time. But that's interesting. You actually think I've never really heard Donald Trump described

00:07:16.880 that way as the mainstream choice, given his positions. And I understand it. Like I had Rick

00:07:22.620 Grinnell on the program not long ago and he was like, we need it. We need Donald Trump. He's like,

00:07:27.580 these people, they can't even say what a woman is. That's radical. That was his point. That's radical.

00:07:34.100 What Donald Trump says is not radical. He's an eccentric, as you point out, character and certainly

00:07:38.860 has his flaws like anybody else. But I don't, you actually think the left might come around to Trump

00:07:45.740 when they didn't in the midst of the insanity coming upon us on COVID, on George Floyd, on the

00:07:54.320 radical trans ideology. They, they didn't come around then. What makes you think they'd come

00:07:59.100 around now? Now, will they come around? Probably not. However, I do think there's a chunk of voters

00:08:05.240 out there that he could make more comfortable voting for him. The so-called swing voters,

00:08:09.280 they're still out there. I'm told theoretically. Um, but I do think the game would change if Donald

00:08:17.340 Trump started talking to them. I am now talking to my enemies. I am those talking to those who hate me.

00:08:24.840 And let me tell you, you have nothing to fear from me. And here's why. Let's face it. The base loves

00:08:31.620 him, although that arguably is possibly in flux, but the base I believe is still with him.

00:08:36.860 I think he shouldn't take it for granted, but he has to count on their support and start reaching

00:08:44.640 beyond it. That's my criticism of his, of his politics. He never reached out overtly,

00:08:51.800 conspicuously saying, here I am. I am reaching out to the other side. You have to say it out loud.

00:08:57.320 You have to do it in an obvious way. And I think the benefits for him, for the country, for the dialogue

00:09:04.200 would be just astronomical. I had this vision, you know, I was there when Donald Trump declared in

00:09:11.020 June of 2015, I was actually in the room. It was a fluke, but I was there. And after that speech,

00:09:19.440 and I was no, I was not particularly fond or not fond of Donald Trump. I had this vision,

00:09:24.500 not only that he could win, but he could win a Ronald Reagan type victory, you know, something

00:09:31.920 40 states, 49 states. It was, the message was that resounding. Now, of course, that was a bit of a

00:09:39.720 misread on my part, but I still think in my, in my heart that there is that kind of

00:09:46.020 potential. I know it sounds crazy. You know, you talk about Harry, sorry.

00:09:52.640 Because I said, I mean, like, there's not a more divisive figure in American politics than

00:09:56.320 Donald Trump. Not to say there can't be. I mean, they'll, they'll make a Trump out of whoever

00:10:00.600 gets nominated on the GOP side. You know, you mentioned Prince Harry before,

00:10:06.740 and I've been watching his shenanigans and gossip. I enjoy your tweets on that.

00:10:11.260 He's, he deserves it. And it's a pleasure, but he is gossiping about his own family. And oh,

00:10:17.240 what did I see yesterday? He said, well, I'm doing this because people have to talk about mental

00:10:21.780 health and we have to remove the stigma around mental health. Now we've been removing the stigma

00:10:28.160 around mental health for about 40 years. Okay. That is, there is no stigma anymore. Howard Stern

00:10:34.060 can go on for three hours about his, uh, the fantasies he had about his therapist or vice versa.

00:10:40.300 I mean, it's okay. We've all been there. I've been to a shrink. It's not a big deal. The stigma is

00:10:45.880 gone, but Harry talks about it. Oprah talks about it. Uh, officer Harry Dunn. And that brings me to,

00:10:53.260 you know, where there is stigma talking about your faith, talking about God, talking about Christ,

00:10:59.120 talking about the Bible, go there. And you're on very thin ice. Talk about children and gender.

00:11:05.260 Oh yes. This is suddenly a mainstream conversation. So you're right. I mean, the way things look right

00:11:11.460 now, could Donald Trump ever bridge that divide? No, in the natural, he can't, but God can do

00:11:19.580 anything. And I still have this sense and God works in mysterious ways. So, so who knows, but anything

00:11:29.060 can happen. Anything. What, what do you make of DeSantis? You know, the, the ongoing debate with,

00:11:35.360 with a hardcore Trump base, is it his turn? Could you get behind him? Could you get behind him

00:11:41.460 over Donald Trump? Right. That's the thing. If Trump doesn't run, that's one thing, but Trump's

00:11:45.680 running and he does not want DeSantis to have it. And then of course, we're all debating whether

00:11:50.120 DeSantis has a way forward with Donald Trump in the room.

00:11:55.240 Donald, Ron DeSantis will be president someday in 10 years and 15 years. I don't think he should run

00:12:01.360 now. I don't want him to run now. I don't think he's ready to be president. He's a career politician.

00:12:06.680 People overlook that. He's been at this for a very long time. His entire life was designed

00:12:11.100 for one day achieving the ultimate success in politics from his educational background to the

00:12:17.120 steps he made after, uh, the steps, quite frankly, even joining the military in the way he did being

00:12:23.120 a Jag lawyer, which is all very honorable, but he's a career politician. By the way, that reminds me of

00:12:29.360 chief justice, John Roberts. Like he same, like he was born to be chief justice of the United States.

00:12:35.060 He has the perfect resume for the job. And yet he's been a big disappointment to most Republicans

00:12:41.980 who don't like the way he votes. He is again, right. He was one of those guys who designed his

00:12:48.680 life in a certain way. And so that's one of the reasons why I'm not enamored with, uh, Ron DeSantis.

00:12:53.580 Also, I believe that, uh, he's a little bit immature and he has been given too much credit for his

00:13:00.160 showdowns with the media. It reminds me a little bit of Chris Christie circa 2010 and 11. He was

00:13:07.740 great at shutting down, you know, news 12 Trenton, um, and everybody delighted. I don't think DeSantis,

00:13:16.380 DeSantis has not really gone up against the heavyweights. He can run circles around news eight Tampa.

00:13:22.400 And I, let's face it, he's imitating Trump and that's fine. He's a worthy subject to, uh, to emulate.

00:13:30.160 But I believe his messaging, um, his policies, and to a large extent, his style is all based

00:13:36.940 around Trump. One of the thing he's, he's got a long way to go as far as mastering the Trump act.

00:13:45.200 You know, he takes it too far. Trump does not threaten people with violence. You remember Ron

00:13:49.740 DeSantis threatened to throw that little elf into the river. I mean, it was, it was too much. It was

00:13:57.000 just, and you know, the commercials that he wrote. Didn't Trump tell the spectators at one of his

00:14:01.800 events, you know, beat the hell out of somebody, he'd cover them. You just gotta beat the hell out

00:14:06.960 of them. Too bad we can't do that. You're right. I viewed that. And quite frankly, at the time,

00:14:13.780 and that was in, in, in 15, I was, whoa, whoa. But it's a long time ago. He's honed his act a little

00:14:21.660 bit. DeSantis is going right for the jugular. It's too much. And one other thing about the governor

00:14:29.500 and by the way, on policy, and he has a great team and COVID I'm impressed. And one day he can

00:14:37.620 be president, but, um, watch his debate performance against Andrew Gillum for 2018. He is not a very

00:14:44.800 good debater. He was almost beaten by a very flawed candidate. So, and the mainstream media

00:14:50.140 has no more use for DeSantis than they do Trump. So I am not, I'm not jumping on that train.

00:14:57.840 Yeah. I mean, I know that a lot of Republicans are like, but Trump, Trump's in a class of one.

00:15:03.120 They could never, he'd never be as controversial DeSantis as Trump. I don't believe that. Honestly,

00:15:09.220 you and I both lived through, they, they made Mitt Romney into Harvey Weinstein because he had a slip

00:15:13.240 at the tongue in a debate where he said binders full of women instead of binders full of women's

00:15:17.340 resumes. The context made the comment 100% clear. They refuse to acknowledge it. They really tried

00:15:23.200 to make him into this raging misogynist. If they can do that to Mitt Romney, they can do whatever

00:15:30.000 they want to Ron DeSantis. And Republicans are kidding themselves, kidding themselves if they think

00:15:35.800 they're not going to, well, you know, and they'll do it to whomever. They'll do it to Glenn

00:15:40.020 Youngkin and his little fleece sweater vest.

00:15:43.240 Can you believe it? I mean, he's been governor for one year and that stunt they pulled with the

00:15:48.400 white supremacists, the so-called white supremacists. And oh, by the way, I believe

00:15:52.740 that was the Lincoln project. A lot of Republicans and former Republicans facilitating this kind of

00:15:59.100 stunt. You know, everybody's upset about the chaos and the, the, the, the factionalism within the

00:16:04.760 Republican party that we saw last week. Number one, I don't agree. I actually enjoyed the discussion.

00:16:10.400 I thought it was fine. They started Tuesday. They figured it out by Friday. That's totally fine.

00:16:16.040 But look at the pressure that the Republican party has been under for the past seven years. I mean,

00:16:20.780 and beyond, but, uh, from Democrats, of course, from the mainstream media and within the party,

00:16:26.560 within the party, what Steve Schmidt and some of these others, and I know he's officially no longer

00:16:33.060 a Republican, but what they have done to other Republicans, this scorched earth, they have bragged

00:16:38.400 about sabotaging the white house, sabotaging the white house. And I never would have said it four

00:16:44.680 years ago, but the deep state and what they've been up to. So it's okay. And actually I don't like

00:16:51.880 the cliche that democracy is messy. I heard it a million times. I thought it was silly last week,

00:16:56.080 but it's kind of supposed to be messy. It's kind of supposed to be a little bit divided.

00:17:01.520 And I like, I like what happened last week, 212 Democrats voting in the same direction.

00:17:09.440 That is a, that's a party discipline that other countries are good at. We're not supposed to be

00:17:15.280 good like that. Hmm. You know, I, I talked about this quite a bit last week. I'm sure you did as well.

00:17:20.700 And kind of had a similar take. Like I fail to feel like I need the vapors because they're holding

00:17:27.480 up the vote and they, they're trying to bargain with the power that they had, you know, those 20

00:17:32.440 plus conservatives, because they had it because of the electorate. The reason they were in a position

00:17:37.600 to get McCarthy to bend on certain things is because the electorate, the electorate empowered

00:17:41.880 them by not showering new, more moderate Republicans all over the house of representatives.

00:17:46.760 We have divided government between GOP and Dem, but we also have divided government within the

00:17:51.340 GOP. And to some extent within the democratic party, though they're more disciplined in their

00:17:55.660 voting. And, um, it wound up what, so that these, these holdouts are going to get a bigger say

00:18:01.780 on budget bills before we just pass them, you know, and actually reading what's in like,

00:18:06.400 I think people like the New York times absolutely loved what happened last week in the Republican

00:18:11.360 party. Cause it sort of fostered a narrative that it's a party in disarray and that party that

00:18:15.420 won't be able to govern. We'll see. Right. We'll see.

00:18:20.140 I, uh, you know, I learned today and I actually need to do a little bit more research, but

00:18:25.480 apparently the ousting of a speaker that it can be initiated by just one member is the system they

00:18:33.340 had before Nancy Pelosi was there. Uh, I heard some Republicans, Dan Bishop and others saying that

00:18:38.600 most of this is just undoing what Pelosi did. Certainly it hasn't been portrayed like that. I think

00:18:43.800 they're doing a little bit of spinning, but yeah, just like you said, they are fostering this, um,

00:18:50.540 this discord because that's what the mainstream media does do. And by the way, that is a problem.

00:18:59.400 If you are existing in America, doing your job, barely paying attention to the media, not

00:19:06.220 proactively seeking out alternative content, you're probably going to believe this stuff.

00:19:12.400 Oh yeah. January 6th. Yeah. Well, that was terrible. Uh, Oh, the Republicans, they really

00:19:17.300 can't get it together unless you are taking proactive steps. And most people aren't, and I

00:19:21.520 don't blame them for not doing that for going about their business, living their lives. You have to think

00:19:27.680 about it. And there are a lot of other things to worry about. Well, I mean, every, every report that

00:19:33.100 comes out of January 6th, every news article on January 6th and the committee should remind people

00:19:38.080 that this is a one-sided proceeding that the prosecution only got to present its case.

00:19:44.280 There was no defense, right? There was no defense. So I don't, I really try to avoid conclusions of

00:19:49.920 that committee because I don't trust the committee. Why would I allow them to poison my mind on what

00:19:54.600 happened or what didn't happen in the Trump camp or elsewhere? When I know the whole thing, talk about

00:19:58.840 rigged, a hundred percent rigged. And I know how it got that way. And there was an argument between,

00:20:03.520 you know, McCarthy and Pelosi about whether there'd be a Republican, what kind of Republican she didn't

00:20:07.920 want, Jim Jordan. How did, why does she get to say, right? It's like, why would you pull their best

00:20:11.900 puncher, right? Like Jim Jordan's their best puncher after Trey Gowdy left for Fox news.

00:20:16.840 In any event, there was no defense of president Trump. So I, I feel as you do about that committee

00:20:21.920 and everything that comes out of it, but now they want us to draw conclusions on it. Now, Liz Cheney

00:20:25.780 thinks she's got a shot at president because of it. Now, Cassidy Hutchinson is a household name

00:20:30.880 because of it. Um, I don't know, it's wrapped up, it's gone. There's a new Congress in town and

00:20:36.580 they're no longer around. So where do we stand on it now? What do you, what do you think of it now

00:20:40.720 that it's all said and done? Well, I thought it was going to go away as an issue, but the Sunday

00:20:44.560 shows yesterday, it's still there. They, they think it works for them and it does. I was out West in

00:20:50.180 Colorado and I saw some relatives and, uh, they generally lean to the right, but they were telling me,

00:20:56.880 well, the January 6th thing has really soured them on Trump. So again, if you're going about

00:21:02.020 your business and you see this stuff, the staging, uh, the primetime hearings, you're going to have

00:21:07.200 this kind of funny feeling like, well, they wouldn't go to through all this trouble if Trump

00:21:12.340 weren't responsible, but he wasn't. And it's fascinating to me to actually sit down and read

00:21:19.400 the, um, the January 6th report. Sorry. You're the one who did it. It's incredible that number

00:21:29.720 one, who has the time, who has the bandwidth, who has the desire. Someone's going to give us the gist

00:21:33.400 of it. So as an experiment, I read the whole thing over the, um, Christmas break. And by the way,

00:21:41.000 Judith must've been like, for the love of God, Greg, what do you do? Put that down and have a cocktail,

00:21:47.220 have a cocoa. Let's go do something other than Jan 6th reading. She was a little bit, uh, miffed,

00:21:54.060 but, uh, however it was, look, when we weren't skiing, I was reading. And the fact that that was

00:22:01.860 produced on government paper, government time, that is waste, fraud, and abuse right there.

00:22:08.760 It is, there are some moments, there's some truth in there, but their conclusions, for instance,

00:22:16.600 and I don't think anybody has brought this up. You heard that Donald Trump was watching television

00:22:21.760 as the Capitol was ransacked and he didn't call the national guard. He didn't call the Pentagon.

00:22:28.160 He didn't call anybody. What comes through when you actually read it is nobody called him.

00:22:33.640 No one called him. I'm not talking about the Brian Kilmeade's and the Laura Ingraham's. I'm talking

00:22:39.800 about anybody calling him, vice president Pence, the secretary of defense, the attorney general,

00:22:44.760 no one called him. Also, he was watching television. How could he just sit there and watch television?

00:22:51.840 And this was, everybody kind of understood this. This is the most horrible image of president

00:22:56.920 watching television and feasting on all of this. Well, did anybody actually go back and watch what

00:23:03.560 was on television on January 6th? If you actually watch what was being played,

00:23:09.880 the images are not what we've come to associate with January 6th and the following today, what we

00:23:16.460 associate with it. The horns guy, the video from the inside, that all came out in succeeding days.

00:23:22.780 There were a couple of images on the inside. The key moment is 2.38 PM and it's Fox News.

00:23:28.200 And an anchor, I think it's Brett Baier says, well, this looks very serious. But if you look at

00:23:33.880 what's actually on the screen, you see people walking in a park, literally people walking in a

00:23:38.540 park. There was such a gap between what the media were saying and what was actually occurring.

00:23:45.520 That's interesting. I've never gone back and rewatched. I remember watching the television on

00:23:50.360 Jan 6th. And I don't, and I don't remember what was actually being played when they were saying,

00:23:54.300 where's the president, where's the president. But I mean, to me, January 6th was not,

00:23:59.300 was not a good day for this country. It was an embarrassment, but whether Trump was responsible

00:24:04.800 for the violence that day and so on, they didn't prove that he was responsible for pushing election

00:24:09.520 denialism claims that were in the minds of a lot of people who were there on January 6th,

00:24:14.700 most of whom did not participate in any violence whatsoever, most of whom believed the claims and

00:24:19.700 were upset and went and just supported their president. But I don't think just because I

00:24:25.200 wouldn't put the violence on Jan 6th on him doesn't mean I wouldn't put the election denialism on him.

00:24:30.420 And that's a whole other ball of wax that the relatives in Colorado may be holding against him

00:24:35.400 fairly. I think you can say he had legitimate objections, but you can't say he's not responsible

00:24:40.500 for election denialism. Well, election denialism is, uh, if I may, is slightly pejorative and, uh,

00:24:49.240 and that's okay. A lot of folks feel that way, but for me, I mean, I can prove that the votes

00:24:54.080 cast in Pennsylvania were cast unconstitutionally, you know, famously legal issue there, but it was

00:25:00.920 resolved. It was resolved by the courts against Trump. It was not resolved prior to, um, it was not

00:25:07.780 resolved prior to election day, in my opinion. Now, you know, and I would love your opinion on this,

00:25:13.740 Megan, as a lawyer, you know, if I want to sue somebody, I have a gut instinct, perhaps I have

00:25:21.340 hardcore evidence, but I have a sense that I've been wronged by somebody. Generally speaking,

00:25:27.440 I don't have smoking gun proof. Any plaintiff right off the bat may or may not have, maybe they do,

00:25:33.860 maybe they don't often. They don't, they have a sense that they've been wronged. And then they go

00:25:38.720 to court and they figure out whether or not you are truly a victim, whether or not you truly,

00:25:44.080 this transaction happened, whether or not you have standing. And then the case goes forward.

00:25:51.100 You don't have to have conclusive proof at the outset that you're right. There is a process called

00:25:57.280 discovery. And I don't think that many of us, you know, the January 6th report goes through,

00:26:02.500 I think six cases where judges said out loud that you are wrong here. You have no evidence,

00:26:12.600 you know, shame on you. Dozens and dozens of cases were very, very technical. And it was about

00:26:18.520 standing, whether or not you have the right to be standing here, whether or not you are the

00:26:23.320 aggrieved party. Is it you, the Trump campaign? Is it you, the people of Pennsylvania?

00:26:28.100 Well, let me, let me, let me just, let me jump in. I get, I get it. I get all that. First of all,

00:26:32.240 you have to have a good faith belief in order to raise allegations in a court complaint. That's

00:26:36.660 all that's required in the beginning, a good faith belief. Um, and then you proceed to discovery,

00:26:41.980 correct. And in these election challenges, it's very fraught because by necessity, we need to resolve

00:26:48.800 those relatively quickly. You can't go four years, which would easily be the length of a litigation

00:26:53.040 to resolve a presidential election, right? Like they have a greater speed requirement in the

00:26:59.540 election claims than they do in a slip and fall. So I get that. And it's being challenged now as a

00:27:05.020 result of Trump and so on in a way we've never seen before. And we talked about this recently where

00:27:09.440 they're really going to need to shore those up. Now we, we really do need to take a look at election

00:27:13.220 challenges. Cause we, one good thing about the Trump challenges is he lifted up the hood and it was a

00:27:20.860 mess under there, right? So not, not everywhere, but in some places it was mess. Look what happened

00:27:26.260 to carry Lake out in Arizona. It was a mess in Maricopa County. And there needs to be a better

00:27:30.500 system for hearing challenges on an expedited basis that allow evidence from the, from the

00:27:39.160 challenging party. However, I do remember covering this live when Rudy Giuliani said in court, this is

00:27:44.140 not a fraud case judge. We don't have evidence of fraud. It's not a fraud case, which is what we hear

00:27:48.900 over and over and over that they committed fraud and they, whatever. And so Giuliani was, you know,

00:27:54.120 and I have a lot of respect and I know he obviously your dad and so on, but he was a mess during those

00:27:59.280 proceedings. He was not a strong litigator. And I think he lost and gave up the farm on a lot of those.

00:28:04.980 And that wasn't anybody's fault, but his and the lack of, you know, proof, his lack of effort and sort of

00:28:11.780 getting what he needed in order to make the arguments to the judge in good faith.

00:28:15.180 So let me offer this about Rudy. He did look a little bit like a madman going back a couple of

00:28:22.860 years. Wait, wait, and just tell him, just tell him, cause I referenced your dad, but some people

00:28:27.280 don't know what I'm talking about. So just give the lineage there, your dad and Rudy and so on.

00:28:33.160 Well, you know, quite frankly, my father and Rudy Giuliani were rivals for a good chunk of their

00:28:37.360 careers. Rudy Giuliani, of course, the former mayor, my father, a two time, a two termed police

00:28:43.640 commissioner here in the city. I would say they are, they're friendly now, but it wasn't always

00:28:48.060 that way. My father, police commissioner for 14 years, Rudy Giuliani, uh, actually almost appointed

00:28:53.660 my father police commissioner back in 1993. So, um, and I quite frankly, at, for a time was a little

00:29:00.420 bit wary of Rudy, but there's no denying the enormous contributions. Um, uh, this in this city,

00:29:07.380 he saved hundreds, he saved tens of thousands of lives, primarily young men of color and the

00:29:15.420 leadership he provided on September 11th, 2001. Now, more recently you see him running around

00:29:21.000 looking a little bit frazzled. Yeah. Why is that? Now my belief is because he has the weight of the

00:29:28.020 world on his shoulders in 2018, 2019, 2020, you know, he's going to Ukraine. Are journalists going to

00:29:35.400 Ukraine? Is Maggie Haberman going to Ukraine? Is the daily beast going to Ukraine? No, they can't,

00:29:41.460 they don't want to, they don't even have the resources if they wanted to. Giuliani is doing

00:29:47.660 all of this himself. The mainstream media infrastructure should have been doing all of it for

00:29:53.540 him. So he's doing that. He's also regarding the election. I mean, that's a good story. Potential,

00:30:02.120 potential voting irregularity. Yet immediately they dismissed it, the mainstream. And Rudy was again

00:30:10.240 on his own. And that moment in the court, which is an important one. And I think it speaks to kind

00:30:16.240 of the, in my opinion, the misunderstanding of 2020, he was arguing the constitutional issues in

00:30:22.840 Pennsylvania, the state constitution issues. And we believe that they violated the Commonwealth of

00:30:29.600 Pennsylvania's constitution in the way they set up mail-in voting. And that's what he meant when he

00:30:35.300 said, this is not a fraud case. I'm saying the constitution in this state says you can vote two

00:30:39.800 ways in person or absentee with excuse. That's it. If you want to change the constitution, you can,

00:30:46.520 but. Well, that's an interesting point. I got to go back and check whether it was in the Pennsylvania

00:30:50.120 case that he said that. And I think it may have been said in more than one case, but the point in

00:30:54.880 Pennsylvania was the lack of standing. He should have brought that case earlier. You can't wait

00:30:59.260 until you lose and then go into court and say it was unfair. That's a, that's a legitimate ruling

00:31:04.740 by a court. You're too late. You're out of time. And you're not the one who should have brought if

00:31:08.680 you, it shouldn't have been you. And if, if it were you, you should have brought it a long time ago.

00:31:12.580 Not once you lost.

00:31:13.440 Do you remember 2000, the recount, the Republicans brought in James Baker, former secretary of state,

00:31:22.340 David Boies, about two dozen other top litigators. Now, because Trump is Trump and because the

00:31:30.660 mainstream and the culture, much of it has so toxified him that nobody, nobody can get near him

00:31:38.980 and not incur a great deal of risk. They scared off litigators. I mean, for me,

00:31:46.360 That's true. He's still having that problem.

00:31:49.020 Still having that problem. So the issue is so much bigger than, well, Rudy Giuliani lost that round.

00:31:54.700 There should have been a platoon, a battalion of top flight litigators and there weren't. And it's,

00:32:02.400 it was too big.

00:32:03.980 I see that. I see your point. And, you know, Alan Dershowitz has talked about this on his podcast and

00:32:07.860 it really is concerning that once they, what they did to him after he defended, as he says,

00:32:15.260 the constitution, not Trump in Trump's impeachment trial, like the, the first one, you know, the real

00:32:20.700 one, not the one that was knee jerk after Jan six. Um, he was completely smeared. He was,

00:32:27.360 you know, he was ostracized. People mock him saying all my Martha's vineyards friends, like they don't

00:32:32.100 have dinner with me anymore. But think about the man's, I think Alan's, he might be 85, 86 years old

00:32:37.340 right now. I'm sure it would be hurtful. Um, and so there are a lot of white shoe lawyers saying,

00:32:42.000 I'm not, I'm not going to have that happen to me. Work my whole life. Look, Alan, Harvard law school,

00:32:49.120 respected professor, you know, all these cases he handled that were, they made movies out of his

00:32:54.100 lawyering and so on. And then suddenly as an octogenarian, you can't speak his name. You can

00:33:00.580 have dinner with him. He can't read his book at the library. They don't even carry. So this is actually

00:33:05.780 a thing that did happen in the legal community. And it's one of the reasons why Trump cannot get

00:33:10.440 a good lawyer right now. You're, you're, you are onto something there. All right, wait,

00:33:14.620 I'm onto something too. It's a commercial break. I'm going to take two minutes off.

00:33:17.740 We're going to come right back with my pal, Greg Kelly. This could go on forever. I'm really

00:33:21.340 enjoying this conversation. Let's talk about Biden at the border. He decided to go for three hours,

00:33:29.240 Greg, three hours. So now he understands that I'm sure. And, um, missing on his little trip down

00:33:35.300 there was any apology to the border patrol for smearing them while he and his DHS secretary who

00:33:41.620 went out and smeared them to, uh, knew that they had whipped no one. And the evidence has come out

00:33:46.880 that Mayorkas was told before he went out and briefed the press about how they'd been whipping

00:33:50.620 the migrants. He was told the Reuters photographer who took those photos saw nothing of the kind and is

00:33:56.260 saying that's an, that's erroneous. And Mayorkas did it anyway. And then Biden did it too. Uh,

00:34:02.380 and now he wants us to believe he's an honest broker when it comes to our problems down there,

00:34:06.600 as we set actual records for the number of border arrests, 2.4 million in fiscal year, 2022. It was

00:34:13.220 bad enough last year, fiscal year, 2021, where it was 1.7 million. It's truly out of control right

00:34:18.420 now. What do you make of it all? The orchestration is right out of North Korea. It's, it's out of the

00:34:23.540 Soviet union that somebody could come. He even looked a little bit Soviet esque. He even reminds me of

00:34:28.820 Leonid Brezhnev, you know, that same kind of demeanor. I am appalled, uh, obviously and stunned

00:34:38.460 and confused, but here's what makes sense. They want the border to be open. I wouldn't have accepted

00:34:46.720 that a couple of years ago. I have been somewhat, I don't want to say radicalized, but my eyes have

00:34:50.980 been opened. The Democrats want the votes and the globalists want the cheap labor. There's no other

00:34:57.520 justification or explanation as to how this has been allowed to fester in this manner. It is bad

00:35:06.300 for everybody. It is bad for America. And it, it is so contrary to, um, even the Democrat party ideals.

00:35:13.780 I have this in my book. We talk about the, the, the border patrol horseback heroes. I call them

00:35:19.000 Barbara Jordan, Democrat, lesbian, African-American from Texas 25 years ago,

00:35:27.780 wrote a, the, the, the, the Jordan commission, which she chaired a report that advocated the

00:35:34.660 building of a wall and strict immigration policies. Um, Cesar Chavez, the famous, uh, agriculture,

00:35:43.160 uh, protestors slash organizer viewed illegal immigrants as a threat to his cause because

00:35:51.940 they could work for you. So Joe Biden, this scares me in a way, almost there's no Democrat getting

00:35:59.280 ready to run for president right now. None. And this is the time where you run. Obama declared in

00:36:06.500 February of 07. We're right there in the cycle. Hillary declared in January of 07. You do it now.

00:36:13.720 And what I'm hearing is they're doing everything they can, the Biden administration, and they don't

00:36:18.640 have to work that hard to discourage a, uh, an opponent in the primary because a one-term president

00:36:25.800 almost always has a primary opponent. We've only had two one-term presidents in our lifetimes. I think,

00:36:31.940 um, Megan, we had Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush and each of these guys, uh, had a significant

00:36:39.460 primary challenge. They think if they can quash that possibility, they're in and the way things

00:36:45.760 are set up right now, they are. Things are so bad down there. I mean, that's how bad it's gotten

00:36:51.100 that president Biden had no choice, but to actually at least make it look like he's on the problem.

00:36:56.620 I mean, that's what, this is what it took the, this record number of arrests at the border. And

00:37:01.940 that number 2.4 million does not include the number of getaways, gotaways as they refer to them,

00:37:07.300 people who evaded law enforcement. So you can only imagine how bad it is. It's really disturbing and

00:37:14.680 there's no plan. There's absolutely no plan. Um, I wanted to ask you, Greg, before we get to the law

00:37:20.500 enforcement in the book, cause I love this, I love, like you took a deep dive and how we got here,

00:37:25.340 um, quickly. Cause you also served your, you're a member of the armed forces, right? It was,

00:37:31.160 was it, were you a Marine to refresh my memory? I was a Marine Corps captain. And then I went on

00:37:37.700 to be a Lieutenant Colonel in the reserves. I flew Harrier jets in the Marine Corps, uh, nine years

00:37:42.480 active duty. And, um, I loved it. It was an adventure. It took me all over the world, met fascinating

00:37:48.540 people. And, um, it made me better to do this or other things. Um, because I grew up not in

00:37:57.160 journalism. I grew up doing something else. And quite frankly, that's what comes through about

00:38:01.340 you, Megan. I, I am drawn to people who have an expertise in something apart from talking,

00:38:08.620 apart from getting on television. And I think that's one of the keys, one of the many keys to

00:38:14.780 your success. And, uh, to a lesser extent mine, because, you know, this is kind of a corrupt

00:38:20.620 culture, the media, the mainstream media. And I feel I never felt comfortable with them. I had

00:38:28.240 never felt at home. I spoke the same language and I shouldn't say that there was a time where I did

00:38:33.600 feel comfortable. I'll tell you about the time I realized I had no business being there though.

00:38:37.680 Um, the moment it was at the white house correspondence dinner and George HW Bush was

00:38:44.340 the speaker. It was in 2004, I believe. And he started making jokes about where the weapons of

00:38:50.340 mass destruction are. And he had pictures of himself looking in the white house for the weapons

00:38:54.980 of mass destruction. Well, they're not under here. Maybe they're over here. This is in 2004 when the

00:39:00.220 occupation was going down. Uh, it looked like a disaster and that room erupted in laughter and I

00:39:08.000 had spent a lot of time there. Not HW, George W. Bush, George W. Bush. Yeah. Okay. 2000. Did I say

00:39:16.040 HW? And it was, uh, just to be clear, that was the younger. I got it. Yeah. 2004. He was president.

00:39:21.060 It was a, it was a moment for me where I realized, um, just how maybe corrupt is too strong a word, but

00:39:27.320 how careless or, or uninvolved they actually are in the results of these policies to them. This is a

00:39:38.820 game. It doesn't affect them. And I, I just said, I actually thought about running for Congress for a

00:39:47.640 period of time after that. I was so fired up. And it's one of the things, quite frankly, that drew me

00:39:52.340 to Trump his avowed opposition to the Iraq war. Well, you, I mean, unlike most of us have actually

00:40:01.280 fought for our country, you've been, um, as you point out nine years as a Marine. And then

00:40:05.920 when I first came to know you, when we were just cub reporters at Fox, we shared an office together

00:40:11.400 for a short time. That was fun. Kelly and Kelly incorporated. And, um, that was right around,

00:40:17.000 I joined Fox in 2004 and this was right around the time after which you'd been an embed, right?

00:40:23.160 You'd been an embed as a reporter and we're there when we, was it Iraq or Afghanistan? Forgive me.

00:40:29.900 It must've been Afghanistan. Had to be Afghanistan. Cause that's where we went first.

00:40:34.380 It was, um, it was Iraq actually, because it was still, you know, we, we, we thought it was over.

00:40:39.480 The invasion happened in 2003 and I kept going back and I knew ahead of time that it was a bad

00:40:46.960 move. I had flown over Iraq. I had never seen tremendous com. I'd never seen combat as a Marine.

00:40:53.720 Technically it was, I flew over Iraq. It was a rather benign mission enforcing the no-fly zone

00:40:59.340 in the nineties. The worst combat I ever saw was as a journalist, but I knew ahead of time

00:41:05.220 that it was the bad move. I knew that Saddam Hussein posed no threat to anyone.

00:41:10.560 Yeah. But I remember those pictures of you all bloodied up from one of those. It was,

00:41:15.980 it was actually amazing. It was like, Oh my God, respect. It just made me feel like a very small

00:41:21.740 person sitting next to you. Like, well, I, I argued some cases. I tried a couple. I was like,

00:41:26.340 look at what this guy has done. So anyway, my point is simply that you've earned the right to your good

00:41:31.240 opinion and I'm, I'm delighted to be hearing it. And then, and then I did want to ask you because

00:41:36.100 I I've been asking my team, what are the military guys that we know and trust saying about this Prince

00:41:40.840 Harry things? I just think it's kind of interesting to see a soldier who fought in these wars come out

00:41:46.300 and say, this is the number of guys that killed. I killed 25 Taliban and they were like chess pieces

00:41:50.920 on the board. I'm not surprised to learn it. It didn't, it wasn't emotional for him. He didn't see

00:41:55.280 them as like human beings. I can understand how that's how you'd have to look at the enemy in order to,

00:42:00.160 you know, kill them from a helicopter, but to, to put a number on it, I'm not used to hearing

00:42:05.000 combat soldiers, put a number on it. What was your reaction to that?

00:42:10.060 I was very surprised and turned off. Like you, the only other time I ever heard anybody say

00:42:17.100 I have 15 kills or 25 confirmed kills, I believe was in Rambo in the movie Rambo.

00:42:25.080 He was talking about 25 certified kills and I, you know, my father was in Vietnam for a year

00:42:31.140 and it's actually something we've never talked about and something I would never ask him. And I

00:42:35.420 know, quite frankly, I know where he was. I know what he was doing. I know, I know a lot about his

00:42:40.040 experience in Vietnam based on the public record. And I've talked to him a bit, but I've never asked

00:42:44.660 him if he's killed anyone. Um, and I wouldn't. And the idea to put that in a, in a, in a memoir,

00:42:51.820 it's, it's just a turnoff. Uh, it's not done. It's kind of seen as unprofessional

00:42:58.400 in a strange way. So look, it's his book. He can write what he wants. Um, I do think though,

00:43:06.260 it arguably endangers British troops, um, a figure like that and his cavalier approach.

00:43:14.180 I'll tell you the one person who did ask my father about, uh, um, did he ever kill anybody? And he

00:43:20.120 did it not without charm was Howard Stern. When he was, my dad wrote his memoir and he actually

00:43:26.680 asked him, did you kill anybody? And he's the only guy who could do it and actually

00:43:29.900 pull it off. And my dad kind of laughed it off. He didn't really answer.

00:43:34.000 Howard can get away with things. The rest of us get here. Howard found out my bra size. When I

00:43:38.200 went on the Howard Stern show, I found out how many times I'm having sex a week with my husband.

00:43:41.800 Well, he tried, he tried, he assumed he goes, I got you for a two time a week girl.

00:43:47.040 What's happening. Okay. Um, listen, let's talk about the book for a minute, because I love that you go

00:43:52.400 through what's happened to the police. These, these people who have defunded the police. And

00:43:59.100 then of course now many of them refunding the police quietly without owning the damage they've

00:44:03.860 done. Um, and sort of the history of what's happened, like the, the history of crime, you

00:44:09.740 know, what's happening in the prisons and why we shouldn't necessarily be so apologetic about it.

00:44:13.480 And the prisons are good things. And even how would you describe your book to the audience

00:44:16.920 listening now? Like what, what do you think? Why did you think it was necessary?

00:44:20.020 You know, I hope it's a beacon of sanity and I'm saying things that need to be said that we

00:44:26.860 understand are true in this totally corrupt, bizarre moment. Um, I track the corrupt origins

00:44:35.140 of black lives matter. A lot of folks don't realize that black lives matter was actually created,

00:44:39.500 um, in an effort to bail out Barack Obama politically. Barack Obama was suffering in 2012 with

00:44:46.800 black supporters. He, uh, support was dropping almost to the double digits. They thought he was

00:44:54.000 going to do great things. He did not. And Obama had to make a choice. Remember he came in and Oh eight

00:45:00.280 saying, you know, I'll be the post-racial president. I can. And in fact, he did talk to a group of black

00:45:07.940 men and say, we have too many of you who are a wall. Too many of you are MIA. It's time to step up.

00:45:14.000 Well, they threatened to castrate him for saying that. And he never went there again, maybe once in

00:45:21.500 his presidency in the most tepid way. And Obama chose that. I'm going to be not a post-racial

00:45:29.060 Obama. I'm going to be black Obama. And he writes about this himself. He's always been viewed with

00:45:35.040 suspicion in the black community. Uh, is he black enough? Is he white enough? So there's so much that

00:45:41.560 needs to be said. We can pretend that the problem in America is not enough people of color and

00:45:46.440 television commercials and on movies and not enough diversity, equity, and inclusion offices.

00:45:51.680 Although I don't think anybody would say that anymore, but the real driver of crime is the

00:45:59.220 lack of fathers, particularly in communities of color. And it's, um, it's awkward to possibly say,

00:46:06.260 especially for a Caucasian person, but I am done with that. I, I don't suffer from those hangups

00:46:14.600 anymore. And if he's not going to talk about it, and if the mainstream and corporate America are going

00:46:19.940 to pretend that there's not a problem to hell with them, I'm going to confront it. And I hope I do in

00:46:25.740 this book. Especially when in the book, you point out that the vast majority of the victims

00:46:29.880 are, are black victims. I mean, this, this is, we have to get honest about what's causing the

00:46:36.240 problems of crime in the country and the murder rate. Um, and what we need to do to stop it. This

00:46:41.540 is why you point out in the book, the vast majority of black voters are against the defund movement.

00:46:46.500 They want more cops, not fewer, something you will not hear in the mainstream media, but you will hear

00:46:52.700 in Greg Kelly's new book. Please buy it. Support Greg and his important voice. It's called

00:46:57.940 justice for all how the left is wrong about law enforcement. Great to see you, Greg. Come back

00:47:03.080 anytime. Thank you, Megan, so much. All the best. And to you. All right, we'll be right back. Don't go

00:47:09.240 away. We are covering the Prince Harry interviews. He gave one to Anderson Cooper of 60 minutes. He gave

00:47:19.940 one to ITV over in Great Britain. Uh, Tom Bradbury, I think his name is, uh, the guy, same guy who

00:47:26.100 asked Megan how she was when she was in the middle of Africa and she was so great.

00:47:30.060 No one's asked. Thank you. Because no one's asked. Right. Because we're focused on the people who are

00:47:35.520 actually in need, not you. In any event, uh, then he sat down with Michael Strahan of ABC.

00:47:41.560 He's promoting his book and soon we're going to get Stephen Colbert. That will be insufferable.

00:47:46.200 Um, he's promoting his book spare, right? Which is out this week comes hits stands officially

00:47:50.680 tomorrow, but of course the press has poured over it and we have gotten so many highlights

00:47:55.840 or lowlights, depending on your point of view. This is where I want to start before we bring

00:47:59.600 in our panel. He said to Anderson, as far as his own personal accountability, right? Because this is

00:48:06.640 the thing he's out there blaming his brother. He blames his father. He blames his mother-in-law.

00:48:11.020 He's even taken a shot at his dead mother, Diana. And in the book, I could go on, but you know who he

00:48:17.760 doesn't blame it all himself, his wife, they've done nothing, absolutely nothing. And so thankfully

00:48:23.420 this issue did come up. Like, what about you guys? I think this is with Anderson. Could it,

00:48:29.240 was it with Anderson in any event? What about you guys? Did you do anything wrong? How about you?

00:48:34.220 And here's how he responded. In the book, you call this a full scale rupture. Can it be healed?

00:48:40.960 Yes. The board is very much in their court, but you know, Megan and I have continued to say that we will

00:48:46.260 openly apologize for anything that we did wrong. But every time we ask that question,

00:48:52.120 no one's telling us the specifics or anything. There needs to be a constructive conversation,

00:48:57.320 one that can happen in private that doesn't get late. I assume they would say, well, how can we

00:49:02.980 trust you? How do we know that you're not going to reveal whatever conversations we have in an

00:49:07.800 interview somewhere? This all started with them briefing daily against my wife with lies to the

00:49:16.720 point of where my wife and I had to run away from our, from my country. Okay. So he needs somebody to

00:49:23.640 give him specifics on what they did wrong. He needs specifics. And only then will he apologize. I got

00:49:29.000 you, Prince Harry. I got your back. Or here's just a couple off the top of my head. All right.

00:49:32.460 Your wife's a bully. Her former press communications person who worked for both you and your brother,

00:49:37.180 Jason off is on the record about the bullying she committed against people who were younger than

00:49:41.900 she was her, who are less powerful than she was within the palace, who she made cry all the time.

00:49:46.900 One of the other people that she apparently made cry was princess Kate. She told Oprah that Kate made

00:49:51.840 her cry. But now we know from your own book, Harry, that it was Megan calling Kate a baby brain.

00:49:56.760 It's your baby brain after she gave birth to her third child to explain Kate's complaints about

00:50:02.140 Megan's wedding plans. All right. That's not polite. That is rude. As Prince William later told

00:50:08.600 you in referring to your wife, that has a tendency to make people not like you when you have the nerve

00:50:13.560 to comment on their hormones after they just had a baby when you barely know them. Number two,

00:50:19.060 she's a brat. We know from Dan Wooten's reporting, which is you can take it to the bank. Dan's what

00:50:24.200 Dan's reporting. He's got very solid sources. He broke Mexit and he was right that she was upset

00:50:29.400 about her tiara. She wanted the one and she couldn't get it because it had some stone that

00:50:33.680 was controversial, et cetera. And Harry said what Megan wants, Megan gets, and the queen had to

00:50:37.920 reprimand him. That's the kind of story that makes people dislike you within the royal family and

00:50:42.540 without. Your wife abandoned her entire family. That's another thing in favor of celebrities at her

00:50:47.800 wedding. She cut ties with virtually everybody whose shoulders she had stood on on her way up the

00:50:53.740 fame scale. Uh, just as soon as she met you. Well, that seems a little rude to kind of disloyal,

00:51:00.400 also annoying. And then what was George Clooney doing at your wedding? You didn't know him.

00:51:03.720 She didn't know him. That's who she had there instead of the sweet cousin who are her stepsister,

00:51:08.820 whatever it was, who she had supposedly grown so close to. She, you said that in your Netflix

00:51:13.340 documentary. She forgot that girl. She ghosted her because apparently she didn't make the grade.

00:51:18.300 Never mind her step siblings and so on. Half siblings, uh, your fights with the press.

00:51:23.880 You two look like a couple of whiny babies and it's been going on for years. How many lawsuits

00:51:28.580 have you filed against the mail and so on? Forget the lawsuits though. It's your whiny statements

00:51:33.880 about the nasty press. Every single celebrity deal. So that you don't think George Clooney said negative

00:51:38.400 things written about him. Tom Cruise read negative things written about. He doesn't use his speeches or

00:51:43.680 his media appearances to whine about the mean media. They say the things that aren't true.

00:51:48.620 We're sick of it. Shut up about your negative press coverage. Do you, does somebody like Beyonce,

00:51:55.780 who you love so much, look for a negative, obscure comment online as representative of her experience

00:52:03.220 with the press and then act like a victim because of it? No, no, she doesn't because she understands.

00:52:09.220 She said a similar experience to the one that you and your wife had for the vast majority of your time

00:52:12.660 in the public eye. Absolutely fawning media coverage. You're the ones who made it turn.

00:52:17.380 You, not Prince William, not King Charles, not Camilla. You, they've given you fawning coverage.

00:52:24.600 It is the opposite of what you are claiming and it makes people dislike you. These constant

00:52:30.560 complaints. Okay, here's another one. You're a leaker too. You're upset that the royal family leaks on

00:52:35.500 you. You leak just as much as they do. You use Omid Scobie, your little stenographer at Harper's Bazaar.

00:52:40.440 You use people magazine, but we all see what you're doing while you claim you have clean hands and you

00:52:44.860 absolutely do not. Here's another one. You abandoned the royal family in their greatest time of need.

00:52:50.140 Both of you, you plan Mexit and executed on it. For one thing, when Prince Philip was dying in the

00:52:55.740 hospital, you sat down with Oprah and called the royal family a bunch of racists. By the way, they now

00:53:00.360 deny that we'll get to it. You didn't care and you didn't even have the decency to rule him out or

00:53:05.280 the queen. When you knew he was in the hospital and very elderly man, your own grandfather. No,

00:53:10.480 still wanted your moment in the sun with the queen of Montecito. Well, when the actual queen,

00:53:15.860 Queen Elizabeth, your grandma was in the hospital, you were two were sunning yourselves out in

00:53:18.920 California. Everybody on the royal family went out there and up their royal duties so that she could

00:53:22.580 be rest assured the family still had her back and was representing the royal family. Not you too.

00:53:27.140 You were in the midst of your wine-a-thon out there on the West Coast. You were happy to call her

00:53:31.580 family racist when she was in her last year on Earth. You made the queen's stress level go up,

00:53:35.980 not down, when she was at her most aged and infirm. You two both constantly play the victim.

00:53:42.800 That's our number one complaint about you, despite the enormous privileges life has handed you.

00:53:47.140 This is why we can't stand you. And it probably irritated your brother and your father and your

00:53:52.540 mother-in-law too, right? You go out on Oprah, you and your wife, and want us to care about what title

00:53:58.120 your kid is going to get, or how big your castle is, like you complain about in Netflix,

00:54:03.100 what color designer dresses you were forced to war in your wife's case, without stopping for two

00:54:08.600 seconds to acknowledge the struggles of real people. No one cares about your kid's damn titles,

00:54:15.980 or your tiny castle, or your beige dress. No one feels sorry for you, but you continue asking us

00:54:24.520 to do so. And we're sick of it, right? Your wife even wanted us to accept her as a Me Too victim,

00:54:33.080 saying she'd been objectified. She was objectified because people looked at her

00:54:37.280 on the set of Deal or No Deal and didn't want her opinion on inflation.

00:54:41.420 She was objectified. No good deed goes unpunished. They give her the role of a lifetime. It was. She was

00:54:46.700 a total unknown, put her on national television, gave her beautiful dresses to wear, did her hair and

00:54:51.760 makeup. And all she can remember is, they told me to suck in my stomach and didn't pronounce my name

00:54:56.480 correctly. I was objectified. What the hell do you think a model does? That's what you were on that

00:55:00.680 show. You were a model. People pay to look at you. That's objectification. Deal with it. Or don't.

00:55:05.880 But don't take the money. Climb the ladder of success and then show absolutely no gratitude

00:55:10.560 and complain that you were objectified. That's why you got a paycheck. You and she both lie a lot,

00:55:16.520 especially your wife. Oh, I was told by the guy in The Lion King that people hadn't celebrated like

00:55:22.500 this when I married Harry like they did since Mandela was freed. Lie, lie, as The Lion King

00:55:28.160 cast has come out and said. You claimed your baby was in grave danger when there was a fire in the

00:55:33.900 nursery when you did the overseas trip. He was nowhere near the fire. It was smoke out of an errant

00:55:38.660 heater and he was nowhere near it. He was not in danger. But you did that to make yourself look more

00:55:43.040 aggrieved than, in fact, you were. That's a pattern with you. You suggested the Royals a racist,

00:55:49.240 as I mentioned, without a scintilla of truth. Now you reverse that and you blame the press for that,

00:55:54.640 too. All right. By the way, these two, as they now claim that they never call the Royals

00:55:59.180 racist, that's what Harry's claiming, that neither he nor his wife ever called the Royals racists,

00:56:03.420 despite what we heard in the Oprah interview. They accepted an award like two weeks ago in New York City

00:56:10.720 for standing up to. And I quote the structural racism within the royal family. That was Kerry

00:56:18.220 Kennedy, whose family was presenting them with the award. Did they stand up and say, this is an

00:56:23.280 outrage? Our family's not racist. We never said such a thing. No, they took the award and loved every

00:56:30.020 second of it. So spare me now that the blowback has been bad, that you didn't call them racist because

00:56:35.740 you did. We saw it. It's on tape. You constantly lecture the so-called little people on how they

00:56:41.800 need to be better people, more like you, we guess, while showing zero appreciation for their problems.

00:56:47.260 Right. Harry had the nerve to lecture us on white supremacy and white privilege. Then their Netflix

00:56:54.020 documentary calls all Brexiters racist. If you wanted if you were in favor of Brexit, which the majority of

00:57:00.080 Great Britain residents were, you're racist. She's out there telling us don't don't call women difficult.

00:57:05.800 By the way, we now know that's what Prince William called her. So like I said before, that whole Spotify

00:57:11.180 series she did was her working out her own issues. She doesn't want you to be able to say women are

00:57:16.000 difficult because that's what Prince William said about her. Don't say diva. Don't say bitch. I'm sure

00:57:21.140 they called her that, too. You're hypocrites. You lecture us on the environment and how we need to go

00:57:26.320 green and do better as citizens while you're on your private jets and your SUVs with your enormous

00:57:31.180 mansion out in Montecito saying reportedly it's not big enough or good enough for you. Right.

00:57:37.080 These are the reasons why we can't stand you. I'm giving you the specifics you so desperately want.

00:57:42.180 You lecture us on kindness and how to be nice and be kind while you bully the little people around you.

00:57:48.000 Half your staff walks out every other week because they can't stand working for you.

00:57:51.560 What does it take to make somebody walk out of working for a royal? Probably a lot.

00:57:56.320 Right. Is it is it over? Is Harry finally done with his incessant whining and the demonization

00:58:03.540 of his family? I don't think so. I don't think it's done by a by a long shot. He's he's out there

00:58:10.260 giving these interviews. I'm really hoping this is it so we don't have to keep talking about this guy.

00:58:17.180 They don't seem to ever get bored of the spotlight, no matter what they say to us publicly.

00:58:21.060 Here to discuss it all and what we learn from these interviews are social commentators,

00:58:25.940 Sophie Corcoran and Leilani Doubting, and they are fired up. Welcome back to the show,

00:58:31.660 Sophie and Leilani. Great to see you. Thanks for having us on. What did I miss? Those are the he

00:58:37.700 wants the specifics. As soon as they lay out for us what we did wrong, then we will we will be willing

00:58:42.960 to apologize. How dumb is he? I mean, this is he's stupid. How how hard? You nailed it. You

00:58:50.380 absolutely nailed every single point right there. I mean, how can he not know what he's done? He

00:58:56.400 comes on and he just moans and complains nonstop about his family as all their dirty laundry

00:59:02.560 in public. He's already told us, like you said, that William said everything that was wrong that he

00:59:09.820 found with his wife, that she was, you know, abrasive and what have you and difficult. And

00:59:14.960 he still doesn't he still doesn't get it. He still thinks it's about race. And he still thinks it's

00:59:20.800 about the press. And, you know, they're all making it up. But you nailed every single point. And he needs

00:59:27.480 to go and apologize. And instead of saying, Oh, you know, the olive branch is always open and held

00:59:33.180 out for them. He needs to apologize. He needs to make the move. He's done so much wrong. And

00:59:39.900 along with her, and he needs to go and apologize, not wait for them to tell him what's what he's done

00:59:46.940 wrong. Yeah, what he's done. I feel like it's not even a question of apologizing at this point. He

00:59:51.080 could for all the book tour and all the smears he's thrown on them. It's just you're an unlikable

00:59:55.680 person. That's really what we've seen over the past couple years. The British royal family did a

00:59:59.680 great job hiding that truth from the rest of us. What a whiny, needy, small person you are,

01:00:05.660 not to mention your wife. And now the truth is out. So it's not really a question of say you're

01:00:10.100 sorry. It's too late. They saw who you are. They saw who your wife was. And we've seen it too. So I

01:00:18.040 don't you tell me, Sophie, whether what's his next move, because if he doesn't get it by this point,

01:00:21.780 he's not going to get it. I mean, there's I don't think there's any need for reconciliation

01:00:25.980 anymore. I mean, the palace have been brilliant. Let's not forget the palace have behaved exemplary

01:00:30.220 over this. I mean, Charles threw an olive branch to both Meghan and Harry when he said, you know,

01:00:34.340 they were there building their life overseas. He's consistently said King Charles is a very,

01:00:39.500 very caring, very, very generous man. He has continually said that he wants reconciliation.

01:00:44.200 The Queen, when she realized that she wanted to see reconciliation before she died,

01:00:48.040 obviously, unfortunately, that did not happen. But it is Harry that is the one that is carrying

01:00:52.280 on. You cannot expect reconciliation when you keep going to the press and trashing your family.

01:00:56.540 But this man has never, he has never once been able to take a single ounce of responsibility for

01:01:02.740 himself. This man is nearly 40 years old, Meghan. He's acting like a child. He needs to grow up here

01:01:09.700 and grow up and stop acting like a kid. He's a middle aged man. What is wrong with him?

01:01:15.160 That's exactly right. There is something wrong with him. Like, honestly, there is like the book

01:01:21.000 excerpts. Angela Levin has been tweeting out excerpts from the book. They're shocking. I haven't read the

01:01:28.500 book yet. I've only seen his nonstop press tour. And one of them talks about how when Meghan gave birth,

01:01:35.020 he sucked up all the laughing gas. She had none available to her. And he was like, fall down sort of

01:01:41.540 off because of all the laughing gas he took on the birth of his child. Not not his wife. Secondly,

01:01:47.440 he admits to peeing in his pants like an hour before his first date with Meghan. What what grown adult

01:01:53.120 pees? I'm sorry, but like there is something wrong with him, Leilani.

01:01:57.460 Meghan is so undercoming of a prince to behave like this. He is selling out like a cast member from

01:02:03.900 Jersey Shore. You know, it's so embarrassing what he's doing or saying. And I'm sure Meghan's,

01:02:09.620 you know, encouraging him to, you know, give off this verbal diarrhea of everything. I'm sure when

01:02:15.100 they end up breaking up eventually, I'm sure use that in court against him saying, look, look,

01:02:20.720 you know, when he when when I was giving birth, he had all my my gas. So I couldn't have any and I'm

01:02:28.840 sure she's going to use it against him. It's just so embarrassing. And it's not the way a prince

01:02:33.680 should behave. And why is he doing this? There's so many excerpts in that book that are highly

01:02:39.780 embarrassing. And you kind of cringe. But at the same time, I wish they'd been spoken about more

01:02:44.260 in the document in the interviews yesterday, because those interviews were so boring and so

01:02:50.180 miserable. And they dragged on with just complaint after complaint after complaint. And actually,

01:02:55.300 the ITV one was an hour and a half. And I got an hour through. I was like, oh, my goodness,

01:02:59.880 I cannot possibly sit through another half an hour of these complaints about his privileged little

01:03:06.280 life and how it's not, you know, he's just so resentful. And he's just got so much anger. And

01:03:11.940 he's holding on to just so much resentment. And he has to let go at some point and stop and just

01:03:19.820 try and live in some kind of peace. He says he's happy. And he's in peace. But he's it must be

01:03:25.500 opposites day because, you know, you can tell the bloke isn't at all whatsoever.

01:03:30.020 What kind of a prince talks about his penis publicly? I mean, this happened. He calls it a

01:03:35.080 todger. I guess that's a British thing, I guess. Todger is how he got crossbite on it, how he's been

01:03:41.940 circumcised. And then talking about, oh, I can't even say it, Megan. It's not just the condition of his

01:03:47.480 penis, but of the future king of England. He's talking about Prince William's penis. Who gave him

01:03:51.700 permission for that? I'm sorry. It's not dignified. Not at all. It's Sophie, you say I can't even

01:03:59.220 speak about it. It's like it's waterfinding. The queen is rolling over in her grave. Go ahead,

01:04:03.660 Sophie. The whole book has been just a massive PR disaster. I mean, I do not know who is advising

01:04:09.980 this man or surely he must have read the book before and before. Hang on a minute. I can't put

01:04:15.480 literally half of this in. It is so grotesquely embarrassing in every single manner, him getting

01:04:20.720 pushed into the dog bowl by his brother and whining like a little rat, despite the fact

01:04:25.660 that he served two tours in Afghanistan. Obviously, then he made the crass comments about the Taliban,

01:04:29.900 which is putting the British public in danger, and then telling us all about his frostbitten

01:04:34.240 penis. I mean, you said a while ago about, you know, this isn't a way a prince shouldn't

01:04:39.300 be behaving. This isn't a way a grown adult should be behaving in any manner at all. I mean,

01:04:44.120 I'm half the man's age. And to me, he acts like a complete, utter child. And he needs to

01:04:49.360 walk up. This isn't a way that any person should be behaving in the public, let alone somebody

01:04:53.680 who has been as sheltered, who has been as privileged, who has had one of the best educations

01:04:58.400 money can buy, as Prince Harry has done. And he's never had to have a shred of accountability.

01:05:03.840 A lot of that is because of his insanely privileged life that he lays. And he's always, you know,

01:05:09.220 full of blame for everybody else. I mean, the way he talks about the British people is

01:05:13.120 absolutely disgusting. I mean, his comments about the Brexit voters in the UK, how we're all

01:05:17.820 racist. I would like to inform the man that those Brexit voters that are all racist have

01:05:21.380 used their hard earned tax money that they have gone out to work for day in, day out,

01:05:26.560 something that that man has never really had to do, and grafted so that that tax money could

01:05:31.520 then be used to pay for his privileged life, for his privileged education, that he then goes

01:05:36.080 abroad and makes millions of pounds saying that he's somehow been oppressed. I mean, he's

01:05:40.400 such a massive insult to the British people and the British public. And he's just a global

01:05:45.300 embarrassment. He doesn't behave like an adult. He behaves like a complete infant who is grotesquely

01:05:51.240 privileged, who is obsessed with the sound of his own voice, a little bit like his wife.

01:05:57.700 Clapping, clapping. Yes. That point you just made about how it's like, how dare he call all the people

01:06:02.900 who voted in favor of Brexit racist, which his Netflix documentary 100% does. They spend a lot of

01:06:09.980 time on it. It's not a passing reference. It's a main point of the piece. How dare he turn around

01:06:14.960 and say that about the people who are funding his lifestyle as he was bitching about the size of

01:06:21.180 his castle? I mean, that's why people can't stand them. It's nothing to do with William or Camilla.

01:06:28.740 And now he's so dumb, he thinks he can wiggle out of some of his accusations, like the one to Oprah

01:06:35.660 about the royal family, by just denying it ever happened. Here is one of the most outrageous claims,

01:06:40.920 I mentioned it twice, where he's now trying to claim that he didn't, that he didn't call the royal

01:06:48.140 family racist. Meghan didn't call them. That's that wasn't the implication at all of their Oprah

01:06:54.060 interview. This is with the ITV sit down with Bradbury. Listen. In the Oprah interview, you accuse

01:07:00.520 members of your family of racism. You don't even what? Oh, the British press said that. Right. I did.

01:07:08.120 Did Meghan never mention that they're racist? She said there were troubling comments about

01:07:13.840 about his skin colour. Right. Wouldn't you describe that as essentially racist? I wasn't

01:07:18.740 not having lived within that family. Right. So again, going back to the difference criteria,

01:07:24.420 what my understanding is, because of my own experience, the difference between racism and

01:07:28.560 unconscious bias, the two things are different. But once it's been acknowledged, or pointed out to

01:07:33.800 you as an individual, or as an institution, that you have unconscious bias, you therefore have an

01:07:39.440 opportunity to learn and grow from that in order so that you are part of the solution rather than part

01:07:45.320 of the problem. Otherwise, unconscious bias then moves into the category of racism.

01:07:51.260 Oh, my God. There's so much to go. All right. His little his little white privilege lecture. I

01:07:57.180 mean, please spare me. Please spare me your woke your woke lecture. Right. But there it is. OK,

01:08:02.040 so here's the natural follow up. So do you have any reason to believe that the royal family did

01:08:05.940 anything about their alleged unconscious bias after your Oprah interview? No. So you are saying

01:08:10.860 they're racist. According to you, unconscious bias moves into racism if nothing is done to arrest

01:08:15.320 it. And you're telling me sitting here right now they've done nothing to arrest it. So you are

01:08:18.960 calling them racist. Correct. Would have been a great follow up. Secondly, let's go back to

01:08:23.340 Megan's claim. Let's listen to it for ourselves and see how it played out to see why the evil British

01:08:28.560 press got so confused when all she was really alleging was unconscious bias that hadn't yet manifested

01:08:36.820 into racism. How they didn't glean that distinction. I know not. But here's the original sin

01:08:43.300 by Megan in those months when I was pregnant. All around the same time. So we have in tandem

01:08:52.120 the conversation of he won't be given security. It's not going to be given a title.

01:08:57.060 And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born.

01:09:08.700 What? And who, who is having that conversation with you?

01:09:17.640 So, um, there is a conversation. Hold it. Hold up. There's several conversations. There's a

01:09:33.400 conversation with you, with Harry about how dark your baby is going to be potentially. And what that

01:09:43.780 would mean or look like. And you're not going to tell me who had the conversation.

01:09:52.800 I think that would be very damaging to them.

01:09:55.560 Oh, be very damaging, but not damaging as much as it would be if it had graduated to full on racism,

01:10:01.040 just damaging in the unconscious biospace, just for good measure. Here's Harry weighing in on it in

01:10:05.900 the same interview. That conversation I'm never going to share. Um, but at the time at the time it

01:10:15.940 was awkward. I was a bit shocked. Um, can you, can you tell us what the question was? No, I don't,

01:10:21.680 I'm not comfortable sharing that. No, because he knew it would reflect very negatively on somebody

01:10:26.160 because he knew he was accusing them of racism. These two, they, it's a lot. I mean, what he said

01:10:33.440 to Tom Bradby is a lie. He did accuse them of racism. That's why Prince William had to come

01:10:38.380 out and say it, Leilani say we're not a racist family. Why is he doing this now? Why is there

01:10:44.380 this now revisionist history? You know what? This is crazy to me. I don't understand it because he

01:10:50.080 really did backtrack on what was said. And it was very obvious. I mean, you saw like what? I mean,

01:10:57.000 it's so dramatic, Megan. And asking about the child and what the child might look like. First of all,

01:11:05.000 it's what a lot of mixed race couples do. My mom is from the Philippines. My mom wondered what color

01:11:11.360 my skin was. In the interview with Tom Bradbury, um, Harry was actually trying to say it was unconscious

01:11:17.660 bias and it's something that white people do more. No, my mom's from the Philippines. She did that. And then

01:11:23.220 she did that again when my sister had a baby, you know, she wanted to know what her eyes going to

01:11:28.960 look like, you know, what's her skin color going to be. It's very, very normal. And, you know,

01:11:35.000 Oprah was making this whole drama out of it. Megan played into it. They implied that there was a lot

01:11:41.760 of racism going on. And I think Harry's actually had a lot of pushback because people like me,

01:11:46.420 people who are mixed race will say, come on, don't be so ridiculous. This is a normal question.

01:11:51.320 What is your child going to look like? How, you know, will her skin be like my mom's or like my

01:11:57.700 dad's? I mean, they could have been asking if it'd be pale like Harry's, you know, it's not,

01:12:02.680 no one's making any kind of racist connotation by, by discussing a child like that. And I think this

01:12:11.080 is why he's had to backtrack, but it was very obvious that they were trying to push this racist

01:12:15.760 angle because, you know, it's America and they, Americans love to bite on fake racism going on,

01:12:22.540 like little soundbites like that from Megan and Harry. Like they want to just grab onto it and

01:12:27.180 run and like the whole royal family's racist. It's just what happens. They'll hold on to those.

01:12:33.460 It worked exactly. It worked exactly. They wanted the way they wanted it to. It dominated the headlines

01:12:36.880 in the next day. Now they claim they were shocked, shocked to see how it dominated. That's exactly what

01:12:40.360 they wanted, Sophie. And as I pointed out when I was opening, literally within the past month,

01:12:46.700 they accepted an award from the Kennedy family here that, and I'm quoting for their heroic stance

01:12:54.540 against the structural racism of the royal family. So who are they kidding?

01:13:01.100 I don't understand. So they're being treated in the U S as some sort of modern day version of Jesus

01:13:06.160 unbecoming all of this racism in the royal family because they're having a row with their family and

01:13:10.320 public. But if I don't mind, as I'm reminding, there was one person, one member of the royal

01:13:15.620 family who has proven to actually be a racist. And that is the Prince that referred to somebody

01:13:20.540 as I quote, a hacky and also wore a swastika. And if you could kindly remind me what Prince

01:13:26.240 that was, oh, wait, it was Prince Harry. So for him to be banned in about these allegations

01:13:31.940 about his family members, and they knew what they were doing by saying, I don't feel comfortable

01:13:35.800 in saying who said that, because what it would do is it would enable speculation.

01:13:39.480 To which people would accuse various different members of the royal family who said it, and they

01:13:44.660 would not be able to escape from that accusation because Prince Harry wasn't going to say that they

01:13:49.360 knew what they were doing in that accusation. But there is one member of the royal family who has

01:13:52.820 actually been proven to be a racist, and that is himself. So for him to then put those allegations

01:13:57.840 on the rest of his members of royal family without saying who it is, without being clear, and then to

01:14:01.960 backtrack on it is a disgraceful treatment of his family members. And I don't understand why the world is

01:14:07.700 lording this pair as some sort of, you know, social justice, racist warrior has given them all these

01:14:13.260 stupid awards, when they have done nothing but argue with their family in public. There are people,

01:14:18.940 genuine people who deserve these awards much more than they do. Much more.

01:14:23.360 Leilani, you're so right. Meghan Markle sat there in that Oprah interview looking

01:14:27.600 doe-eyed. Oh, I'm so sad. Yes, they brought up my baby's skin color. Yes. She didn't say, Oprah, let me make

01:14:35.620 clear. We are not saying that any member of the royal family is racist. We're saying there's unconscious bias

01:14:40.620 that some people innocently have, and sometimes it gets uncomfortable when you call them out on it.

01:14:45.900 She's a grown up. She's not four. She could have said that if that's what she wanted to say. She wanted us to

01:14:51.920 walk away with the exact impression we did, which is there's a rabid racist running around the royal

01:14:58.480 family who's worried the next baby's skin color is going to be unacceptably dark. That's what she

01:15:04.680 wanted us to believe. That's why the British press printed that. And here's here's another tell yet

01:15:09.760 another way we know, because while out of one side of his mouth, he's like, no, we never said that.

01:15:15.920 We did not say the royal family's racist. He at the other side of his mouth doubles down on the

01:15:22.260 original claim to Oprah, not about the baby, but about the British family, the royal family being

01:15:28.940 racists. He talks about how they didn't like Meghan because he says she was, quote, black or then he

01:15:37.780 corrects biracial. Listen to this. I think it sounds like 10. Soon after their relationship became public,

01:15:44.180 Harry insisted on putting out a statement, condemning some of the tabloid coverage of

01:15:48.560 Meghan and what he called, quote, the racial undertones of comment pieces.

01:15:53.260 You write that your dad and your brother, William, were furious with you for doing that. Why?

01:15:59.660 They felt as though it made them look bad. They felt as though they didn't have a chance or weren't

01:16:05.540 able to do that for their partners. What Meghan had to go through was similar in some part to what

01:16:10.840 Kate and what Commit went through. Very different circumstances. But then you add in

01:16:15.220 the race element, which was what the press, British press jumped on straight away. I went

01:16:19.940 into this incredibly naive. I had no idea the British press was so bigoted. Hell, I was probably

01:16:25.520 bigoted before the relationship with Meghan. You think you were bigoted before the relationship

01:16:30.680 with Meghan? I don't know. Put it this way. I didn't see what I now see.

01:16:36.000 OK, that's not the right soundbite, but I'm going to play the right one. But that one's

01:16:40.340 delicious, too. Right. It's like the British press is bigoted and maybe he used to be bigoted.

01:16:45.100 That was, of course, before he did the work, did the work on unconscious bias. I'm sure

01:16:47.900 here's the soundbite where he attacks the royal family as being against her from the beginning

01:16:51.860 because of her skin color. Eleven in his book, Harry writes that when he introduced Meghan Markle

01:16:56.600 to his family in 2016, his father initially took a liking to her. But William was skeptical,

01:17:02.480 disdainfully referring to Meghan as an American actress. Though Harry doesn't specify who,

01:17:09.020 he says other members of the royal family were uneasy as well.

01:17:12.200 Right from the beginning before they even had a chance to get to know her.

01:17:15.680 And the UK press jumped on that. And here we are.

01:17:17.620 And what was that based on, that mistrust?

01:17:19.940 The fact that she was American, an actress, divorced, black, biracial, with a black mother.

01:17:27.180 Those were just four of the typical stereotypes that becomes a feeding frenzy for the British press.

01:17:34.500 But all those things within the family also were sources of mistrust.

01:17:38.940 Yes. You know, my family read the tabloids. You know, it's laid out at breakfast when everyone

01:17:44.460 comes together. So whether you walk around saying you believe it or not, it's still leaving an imprint

01:17:51.360 in your mind. So if you have that judgment based on a stereotype right at the beginning,

01:17:56.120 it's very, very hard to get over that. And a large part of it for the family, but also

01:18:00.880 the British press and numerous other people is like, he's changed. She must be a witch.

01:18:06.240 There it is. Right there. Got it. He says it. That his family, he says the family,

01:18:12.280 was upset that she was biracial. So, I mean...

01:18:16.560 So here's the thing, Megan. It's absolute rubbish. Actually, everybody loved... Well,

01:18:22.440 he said that his father initially really liked her. And the first thing he would have seen

01:18:27.720 before anything else was her skin. So he didn't mind that she was mixed race. Second of all,

01:18:32.940 she's not black. You know, she is mixed. When she was acting in America, she would put herself

01:18:39.840 down as Caucasian. She's also what... When I was modeling in Los Angeles, I was under the...

01:18:45.560 Ethnically ambiguous, which I think is what Megan would have come under, right? So what Megan has

01:18:50.880 done is she saw the press because the people in Britain loved that she looked a little bit

01:18:56.160 different, loved that, you know, you couldn't really place her. Was she Spanish? Was she Italian?

01:19:00.340 She was beautiful. And she then decided to play up to that. And, you know, suddenly she wanted to

01:19:07.500 tell everyone that she was mixed race and people embraced it. You just had to look at the wedding,

01:19:12.180 the way people embraced, you know, the different ethnicity. So for him to come out then and say,

01:19:19.300 it's because she was black, I mean, mixed race, that's absolute rubbish. Because Charles liked her

01:19:27.100 initially. He could tell, of course, what she was. And I think what he also mentioned is that she was

01:19:33.840 American, she was an actress, and she was divorced. And I think the bigger problems were that she was an

01:19:38.460 actress and that she was divorced after seeing some of, you know, her sex scenes and whatever in

01:19:45.700 suits. It's not really... Yeah, it has nothing to do with race. He added that. In his book,

01:19:52.400 says William said to him, she's an American, she's an actress, let's just wait and see. You know,

01:19:58.200 like kind of tempering his enthusiasm over her, which Sophie would make sense. That's like,

01:20:03.820 first of all, I think there's a general presumption probably amongst most in the British royal family

01:20:09.020 that ideally you'd marry a Brit, right, in a perfect world. And also the implication is maybe

01:20:15.360 she's not going to want to be part of this whole institution. She's an American. They behave differently.

01:20:19.260 They fought a war to get away from royalty. Maybe they don't want in. And secondly, yeah,

01:20:24.420 she's an actress. They have, she has her own life is basically what he's trying to say. So like,

01:20:28.300 don't get your hopes up. And only now he adds the biracial, the fact that she was biracial was a

01:20:35.780 problem for my family. Yeah. I mean, William's character judgment has been spot on throughout

01:20:39.960 pretty much all of this. I mean, I recall when he called her arrogant, disrespectful, rude,

01:20:45.000 or something along those lines. I mean, it's not wrong. I mean, let's be honest, he says he

01:20:48.560 weren't wrong. So I think his character judgment has been pretty spot on of Meghan Markle. And I think

01:20:53.360 he's definitely been vindicated in the way she has acted both towards the family and the press.

01:20:58.040 But like, and like Leilani said, I mean, I was young, really young when they were getting married

01:21:03.760 in secondary school and everybody was so, so excited about the prospect of having a princess

01:21:09.480 that doesn't look like the rest of the princesses were already had. It was never used as a negative

01:21:13.420 thing. And everything that's come about her in the press, none of it at all has been about her race.

01:21:19.200 The majority of it has been about her character, which is perfectly, which is a horrible person.

01:21:24.520 So to talk about race, I think he's just absolutely ridiculous. I mean, none of this

01:21:30.520 at all was about race, as you know, Prince Harry likes to say, the royal family weren't racist.

01:21:35.220 So I just think, you know, to blame it on this behaviour is so wrong. A lot of the anger has been

01:21:41.200 about the way she acted towards the royal family. The British people loved Meghan. We love, love,

01:21:47.260 love Meghan. You can see that by the fact that there is the royal wedding, they weren't going to be a king

01:21:51.720 of the queen. And they still got an enormous reception from the British public because people

01:21:56.060 were excited about the prospect of having a princess that was mixed race. It was something

01:22:01.820 that was hugely exciting for the royal family. So for them to then say that that was why they

01:22:07.260 didn't like her is a load of rubbish. We know that it's a lie. It's it's yet another lie. I mean,

01:22:12.020 he got caught. Meghan Markle got caught in a lie in her Oprah interview. She said there were many lies

01:22:16.960 in that interview. But one of them was that, you know, she was distressed by the tabloids because

01:22:21.140 they said she made Kate cry over her wedding when the opposite was true. Kate made me cry,

01:22:25.900 but she made good. She brought flowers and she apologized. So I'm the victim. Let me just make

01:22:30.120 clear. I'm the victim. I'm always the victim. That's what she wants us to know. But, you know,

01:22:34.560 Kate and Kate was the villain. Well, now in his book, he reveals that actually Meghan upset Kate by

01:22:41.960 complaining to Kate about Kate's Kate said this bridesmaid's dress doesn't fit on my daughter that

01:22:49.060 you wanted to wear this flower girl dress on Charlotte and it needs to be whatever taken in.

01:22:54.900 And Meghan basically said something to Kate to the effect of, according to Harry, oh, you have baby

01:22:59.860 brain thanks to your hormones. And Kate was upset and basically said, according to Harry, you don't

01:23:05.520 know me well enough to talk to me like that. Right. You don't mention my hormones to me. Well, you know

01:23:10.340 what? I didn't learn about that from the Oprah interview. Why wasn't that disclosed when she

01:23:14.520 was airing her dirty laundry about how she was the only victim? Kate was the only mean one. Kate

01:23:19.520 was the villain. Why didn't she disclose that? Because it didn't fit her little narrative she

01:23:23.740 was trying to paint about how poor me. Meghan has been bullied incessantly by the mean royals,

01:23:30.960 especially that mean Kate. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, isn't it? She she she carries on and

01:23:38.000 carries on about being a victim. And I think that's the problem that everyone's just sick

01:23:42.640 and tired of hearing about her being the victim and all of this. She has a husband that loves

01:23:47.760 her. She has two healthy children. She has a lifestyle that people could probably only ever

01:23:53.240 dream of. And I think people are just so sick and tired of the victimhood that's going

01:23:58.320 on and the poor me. And it's rubbed off on Harry. Harry was like the nation. I think Harry

01:24:03.940 was the nation's favorite prince. Really. He was the sweetheart of the UK. Everybody loved

01:24:09.780 him. Everyone just wanted him to be happy. Everyone was delighted when he found somebody

01:24:14.820 that he was in love with. And then what happened? Just all the toys got thrown out the pram

01:24:21.880 and there were complaints after complaints after complaints. And they just turned against the

01:24:27.240 British people. They turned against their own family. They decided to do a runner. They

01:24:31.600 decided they were going to leave America. So leave the UK to go to Canada. Then they couldn't

01:24:38.000 get the security they wanted. They got offered this security by this guy that I don't think

01:24:43.100 they even knew who was going to give him that big mansion house because, you know, the cottage

01:24:48.180 at Kensington Palace was far too small. And people just they're completely and utterly sick of it.

01:24:55.260 Yeah, they've never stopped complaining since. All right. Stand by two minute break. We'll be right

01:24:59.300 back more with Sophie and Leilani, including on why he's upset that he wasn't invited on the royal

01:25:05.700 plane on the royal plane after the Oprah interview, after the lies, after the racist stuff. He doesn't

01:25:11.280 understand why he didn't get to go on the plane with the rest of the royals. Stand by for that.

01:25:18.900 So one of the many things he feels slighted over, and it is a long list,

01:25:25.560 is the fact that the day the queen died, which was September 8th, 2022. This is a couple of months

01:25:33.100 ago. He happened to be in Great Britain, and he's mad that when he texted William, this is after the

01:25:40.300 Oprah interview, after all this stuff. He's in the middle of the Netflix deal. It's about to hit air

01:25:44.400 a couple of months and his book. He texted his brother William to say, how are you getting the

01:25:51.020 Balmoral, where the queen was in Scotland, where she was dying? And he didn't get a response. And

01:25:56.920 here's how he described his, how he'd been dissed, soundbite 13. I asked my brother, I said, what are

01:26:02.280 your plans? How are you and Kate getting up there? And then a couple of hours later, you know, all of

01:26:09.100 the family members that live within the Windsor and Ascot area were jumping on a plane together, a plane

01:26:14.280 with 12, 14, maybe 16 seats. You were not invited on that plane? I was not invited.

01:26:19.240 Sophie, whatever could explain him not being invited?

01:26:26.920 Yeah, I mean, don't forget, this was such a historic moment of national mourning. You know,

01:26:32.320 yes, it was a death in their family, but it was also one that was a death that the nation would

01:26:37.580 have to mourn. And such a historic moment in pretty much all of our lives that have only seen one,

01:26:42.420 very few people that have seen another so far. So they obviously didn't want Harry and Meghan

01:26:48.320 overshadowing it. This was the moment. This was about the Queen. This was about the country.

01:26:52.960 It was not about Meghan and Harry. And I feel like they're quite angry that they were not

01:26:56.760 able to make it as such. And I think the royal family were very much aware that those two,

01:27:02.600 should they have, you know, been present for a lot of it, a lot of the questions were going

01:27:06.160 to be about, oh, is Meghan at Balmoral? Is Harry not at Balmoral? A lot of the headlines

01:27:10.180 would for some reason, because, you know, they create all this drama obsessive of that.

01:27:14.400 And it shouldn't have been about that. It should have solely been about the Queen

01:27:17.960 and the royal family. I think that's why they're really mad. But of course,

01:27:21.000 they weren't going to be fired because they just want to steal headlines. They just want

01:27:24.300 to make attention. And they've offended the entire royal family up until this point.

01:27:29.300 And they've continued to make the life hell for their grandmother right up until the moment

01:27:32.940 that she passed away. So of course, they didn't want them on the plane with her.

01:27:36.500 And I actually think a lot of it was about having Meghan come up to Balmoral. Remember,

01:27:42.200 Kate also stayed home with the kids and did not attend Balmoral. And the conflict was about them

01:27:48.560 not taking Meghan to Balmoral. And they made it clear, do not bring Meghan to Balmoral. It

01:27:53.120 will overshadow everything. This is about the nation. This is about the Queen. This is about

01:27:56.920 the country. This is not about Meghan.

01:27:59.240 Can you imagine? Like, they only think about everything through their own lens.

01:28:02.580 He doesn't give one thought for what King Charles was going through. This is his mother,

01:28:07.120 right? And he's about to become king now. Or Prince William. This makes him one step closer.

01:28:12.360 And it's his grandmother with whom he's been very close. And he, unlike Harry, has been servicing

01:28:16.120 the royal family and serving, you know, in her behest for all this time.

01:28:20.000 How might they feel with this traitor sitting on board the plane? Maybe they felt a little uncomfortable

01:28:25.600 being around him after all he does. There's not a thought for anyone else but him. Go ahead.

01:28:31.500 Well, there never is. And like I said, he's changed history here because

01:28:35.840 the whole argument was, I think, that he wanted to bring Meghan. And that's what caused the time

01:28:41.860 delay. And I think that Kate had stayed at home. I don't believe Camilla went either. And she

01:28:48.980 certainly wasn't there at the moment of the death. So, you know, as always, Prince Harry keeps

01:28:55.940 thinking about himself. And the whole, both of the interviews started about his mum. And it was the

01:29:01.220 same thing. He didn't think for a moment about how his brother might feel or about how shocked his

01:29:07.620 father might be in having to give this news. You know, this is about Diana. I mean, not, you know,

01:29:13.680 not Charles' mum. But, you know, he didn't think about any of it. And that's how the two interviews

01:29:19.420 started. So it's carried on through to the Queen, where again, he's not thought about anyone else's

01:29:25.340 feelings except for his own. So yes, Kate stayed and looked after the children. Harry wanted Meghan

01:29:32.700 to come. And of course, both Prince Charles, who was Prince at the time, and Prince William,

01:29:39.040 would have been thinking, you know, what are they going to use this for? Is this going to end up in

01:29:42.760 their Netflix documentary? Or is this going to be part of the book? Like, you know, they, I can

01:29:48.180 understand fully why they didn't want them traveling on the same plane. So it could all be public

01:29:53.000 information about what they're speaking about in their, you know, in the last moments of the Queen's

01:29:59.280 life. Me too. And their instincts were dead on, because now we know from his book, he was writing,

01:30:04.640 he is in here writing about all these personal private moments, like the fight he had with Prince

01:30:11.200 William, who came to his cottage and wound up grabbing him by the collar, breaking his necklace,

01:30:16.180 and he fell over. Now he wants us to feel sorry for him because he fell down and he broke the dog

01:30:20.840 bull and he refused to fight back. I mean, honestly, this is like, if this is like a fight that Warren's

01:30:25.160 mentioned in a book, when I was growing up with my siblings, my brother, he tortured me. My sister,

01:30:31.360 you know, they were older than I was. My God, we threw down way better than this. In fact, my team,

01:30:35.520 my brilliant team came up with a representation of what their fight seemed to look like,

01:30:40.400 not throwing down nothing like Rocky and Apollo look more like Frasier and Niles Crane. I bring

01:30:47.560 you soundbite 26. It's not a tantrum and I'm not jealous. I'm just fed up with being second all the

01:30:59.640 time. You know, I wanted to be a psychiatrist like mom way before you did, but because you were older,

01:31:04.480 you got there first. You were first to get married. You were first to give dad the grandchild

01:31:08.740 he always wanted. By the time I get around to doing anything, it's all chewed meat. You're

01:31:13.980 crying about something that we can't change.

01:31:15.900 Oh, you wouldn't change it if you could. You'll love it.

01:31:17.820 Oh, let it go, Niles.

01:31:19.060 I can't let it go. My nose is rubbed in it every day.

01:31:27.100 Here's your fat face. Give me that. Give me that. Give me that.

01:31:29.560 Oh, my God. My God. I'm having a flashback. You're climbing in my crib and jumping on me.

01:31:40.400 You stole my mommy.

01:31:47.640 Who takes a disagreement like that private between brothers, elevates it to, you know,

01:31:53.980 in the book to try to make the one side look bad, where once again, he knows Prince Williams,

01:31:59.800 he can't defend himself. He has to do what the royal family wants, which so far has been to stiff arm

01:32:05.020 this couple and just ignore them. Yeah, that's my major concern about all of the TV

01:32:10.460 interviews, the documentary, the book, everything is the reason why Harry has said that he's doing

01:32:15.860 what he's doing is so that he can speak his truth. And let's say his truth, because it's his truth

01:32:20.060 and not the truth, as we know, and to basically break free from all the lies that his family have

01:32:26.200 somehow fed the press. But the only person I can recall who is actually feeding the press lies

01:32:30.940 is Harry. And he knows all well that William and the royal family can't respond. He knows that.

01:32:38.160 That's why he's taking advantage of it. That's why he's spreading so many lies. So the stuff that

01:32:42.300 he's accusing the royal family of, he is doing exactly that job. I mean, the dog bowl scenario,

01:32:48.580 again, I have some serious questions about that, because apparently the first thing he ever did

01:32:53.380 was call his therapist. I mean, he didn't bother, you know, to call his wife or to call somebody else.

01:32:57.560 He called his therapist that he has on speed dial. I mean, this poor therapist has got a lot of work

01:33:02.440 to do, shall I say. But Paul in the Oprah interview that he said that when Meghan needed help with her

01:33:10.600 mental health, you know, he couldn't get it. So again, we've got real discrepancies between

01:33:16.060 certain interviews to others. I mean, we had it in between the 60 Minutes and the GMA one. He said in

01:33:22.600 the 60 Minutes one, he basically portrayed Camilla to be this absolute witch. And then the GMA one,

01:33:27.540 he said he wasn't. So he's not even consistent with his own story.

01:33:30.960 You're 100 percent right. So last question, Leilani, what does the royal family do? Does

01:33:34.460 this up the stakes enough that they respond or no?

01:33:37.480 Do you know what? I think when you deal with narcissistic people, you cannot respond because

01:33:41.460 if they go tit for tat and they start, you know, saying something back, it just gives Meghan and Harry

01:33:46.980 more ammunition for their next complaint moan fest, you know, and I don't want to hear

01:33:52.360 another hour or two of Harry and Meghan complaining about something else or a whole new

01:33:57.120 series two on Netflix, complain, complain, complain. So I think, you know, the royal family

01:34:04.140 are doing what the royal family always do and they're being dignified in their silence.

01:34:08.840 The answer is not to deny the claims about your todger.

01:34:12.020 It's so Jersey Shore.

01:34:16.980 It's very Jersey Shore. Leilani, what a pleasure. Thank you both so much for coming on.

01:34:25.060 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 09, 2023

Biden's Brief Border Visit, and Prince Harry's Media Tour, with Greg Kelly, Sophie Corcoran, and Leilani Dowding ｜ Ep. 467

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