The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Corruption as VP Revealed, and Kohberger's Idaho Murders Alibi, with Newt Gingrich, Viva Frei, and Peter Tragos

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00:00:30.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.920 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.760 Monday again.

00:00:46.860 That seems like a better headline than,

00:00:48.800 Happy Monday.

00:00:49.960 It's Monday again.

00:00:51.540 Here we are.

00:00:51.920 We meet again.

00:00:53.220 After months of trying to argue that U.S. Attorney David Weiss,

00:00:56.920 he's the U.S. Attorney for Delaware,

00:00:58.040 had full authority,

00:01:00.440 complete authority,

00:01:02.220 ultimate authority.

00:01:03.360 He could indict wherever,

00:01:06.140 whenever,

00:01:07.000 and on whatever charges he wanted.

00:01:09.340 More authority than he could ever need

00:01:11.440 to prosecute Hunter Biden?

00:01:13.700 Attorney General Merrick Garland announces on a summer Friday afternoon,

00:01:17.620 he's now feeling the need to appoint Weiss as a special counsel.

00:01:22.220 You know, the very same special counsel role that they told us was less powerful than the role

00:01:26.300 that David Weiss had the day before Friday.

00:01:28.400 That's what these two,

00:01:30.520 Weiss included,

00:01:31.120 have been telling us for months.

00:01:32.320 If you pay attention to this show,

00:01:33.960 you won't,

00:01:34.360 you know all this.

00:01:35.440 But the average citizen out there has no idea.

00:01:38.120 There are actually really smart people who I know and respect who are out there saying,

00:01:41.560 this is devastating development for the Bidens.

00:01:44.800 No,

00:01:45.800 try to pay attention.

00:01:47.300 This is an ass covering act

00:01:49.320 by Merrick Garland,

00:01:51.440 meant to keep control of an investigation.

00:01:54.200 Meant to keep control.

00:01:55.340 Weiss,

00:01:55.540 Weiss was supposed to testify before Congress.

00:01:57.760 Guess what?

00:01:58.060 Now he doesn't have to.

00:01:59.200 Now that he's a special counsel,

00:02:00.560 he was going to go and have to explain

00:02:02.080 all these statements that he's made,

00:02:04.260 that Merrick Garland have made,

00:02:05.260 that haven't totally dovetailed with what the IRS whistleblowers have been telling us.

00:02:09.640 This is an enormous CYA move.

00:02:12.480 Merrick Garland is trying to maintain control of this entire thing.

00:02:16.260 And Weiss has proven himself a very obedient little puppy.

00:02:20.100 He's a good little puppy.

00:02:21.540 He's been a good little puppy all along.

00:02:23.700 I'm sorry,

00:02:24.080 but that's the truth.

00:02:24.660 He's accused by these IRS whistleblowers of protecting Hunter Biden at every turn,

00:02:29.540 most egregiously by allowing the statute of limitations to expire on the most serious charges,

00:02:35.700 notwithstanding the fact that Hunter's own lawyers went to the DOJ and said,

00:02:39.480 we'll extend the statute of limitations.

00:02:41.900 We will agree to that.

00:02:43.200 And the DOJ said,

00:02:44.140 no need.

00:02:44.960 We're just going to let him expire.

00:02:46.100 That's what happened.

00:02:47.100 That's just like to name one thing that this guy Weiss already did,

00:02:51.240 which is,

00:02:51.620 of course,

00:02:51.940 what earned him his new title of special counsel.

00:02:55.520 See,

00:02:55.680 he can be trusted.

00:02:56.760 He's not going to sell out the Bidens like some truly independent person outside the DOJ,

00:03:01.800 which is what you're supposed to do,

00:03:03.560 might do.

00:03:05.400 Democrats,

00:03:05.840 they just cannot seem to figure out why the Republicans are not happy.

00:03:09.760 What do you mean?

00:03:10.220 You want a special counsel?

00:03:11.280 You got it.

00:03:12.500 Okay.

00:03:13.160 They wanted a special counsel,

00:03:15.100 number one,

00:03:16.100 from outside the government who could be trusted.

00:03:17.640 But number two,

00:03:18.100 they wanted it before the House GOP started its investigation,

00:03:21.520 before the Republicans won the House.

00:03:23.300 This was more and more important because they had no one investigating.

00:03:26.560 Now the Republicans have taken control of the House,

00:03:28.580 and they're actually doing a good job of getting to the bottom of this.

00:03:31.900 And suddenly,

00:03:32.780 just as they start to zero in on what's happening,

00:03:35.840 oh,

00:03:36.080 now we need a special counsel.

00:03:37.600 I mean,

00:03:37.860 honestly,

00:03:38.440 I realize it's confusing,

00:03:39.920 probably not to the listeners of this show,

00:03:41.720 but for the average citizen who's not paying attention,

00:03:43.660 is going about living their lives,

00:03:45.160 they don't know.

00:03:45.720 They're like,

00:03:45.980 oh,

00:03:46.100 that's bad.

00:03:46.560 Special counsel,

00:03:47.060 good for Joe Biden and Merrick Garland for appointing the guy.

00:03:50.180 No,

00:03:50.540 that's not it.

00:03:52.020 Join me now to discuss all of it and the potential impact this development has on the

00:03:55.780 2024 presidential race.

00:03:57.600 My old friend,

00:03:58.540 former Speaker of the House,

00:04:00.360 Newt Gingrich,

00:04:01.920 one of the smartest men in politics,

00:04:04.740 always has been.

00:04:06.060 Mr. Speaker,

00:04:06.540 great to see you again.

00:04:08.120 Well,

00:04:08.300 it's terrific to be back with you,

00:04:09.900 and I really like the way your show has developed,

00:04:12.340 and I'm honored to have a chance to be on with you.

00:04:14.980 Oh,

00:04:15.220 thank you so much.

00:04:16.440 And you've got a new book out,

00:04:17.760 which we're going to talk about as well.

00:04:19.340 But it's great to see you.

00:04:20.520 And I meant what I said.

00:04:21.440 You know,

00:04:21.780 my brother is a very smart guy,

00:04:23.360 and my brother always said,

00:04:24.440 he Newt Gingrich is one of those guys where you just you stop what you're doing and you listen

00:04:28.880 because you always learn something.

00:04:30.640 You always have something new to add,

00:04:32.020 and it's always based on facts.

00:04:33.240 So pleasure to have you back.

00:04:35.640 So what do you make on the I guess I'll just play the soundbite for those who didn't hear it

00:04:40.860 last Friday?

00:04:41.860 Merrick Garland announcing this new exciting development of David Weiss now,

00:04:47.920 not just U.S. attorney,

00:04:49.240 but special counsel in the Hunter Biden investigation.

00:04:52.060 Listen.

00:04:52.180 As I said before,

00:04:55.080 Mr.

00:04:55.380 Weiss would be permitted to continue his investigation,

00:04:58.440 take any investigative steps he wanted.

00:05:00.880 Mr.

00:05:01.200 Weiss has told Congress that he has been granted ultimate authority over this matter.

00:05:07.180 On Tuesday of this week,

00:05:09.500 Mr.

00:05:09.840 Weiss advised me that in his judgment,

00:05:12.560 his investigation had reached a stage at which he should continue his work as a special counsel.

00:05:18.540 I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint him.

00:05:25.440 He is so dishonest,

00:05:26.940 Newt.

00:05:27.160 I mean,

00:05:27.360 this guy,

00:05:28.020 he's just brushing by the actual history between those two and what they've said publicly because he

00:05:32.580 realizes people are living their lives and not parsing through their previous statements today.

00:05:38.240 Well,

00:05:38.800 look,

00:05:39.020 I think part of what makes this all so difficult is that the scale of both Biden corruption

00:05:46.800 and Department of Justice corruption is so enormous that we keep trying to take it back to the norm.

00:05:54.700 We keep trying to say,

00:05:55.520 gee,

00:05:56.280 it can't really be this sick,

00:05:58.400 but it is.

00:06:00.000 I just have to start with that assumption.

00:06:02.000 These are dishonest people who believe that the rest of us are so stupid that if they just play as though they're being honest,

00:06:09.780 that we'll go along with it or we'll be powerless because they have the presidency,

00:06:14.900 the Justice Department,

00:06:16.620 the FBI,

00:06:17.980 they can rig the game.

00:06:20.060 And this is just the most recent example,

00:06:23.280 although it is done so stupidly that you have to wonder what's going on.

00:06:28.820 First of all,

00:06:29.540 technically,

00:06:30.620 Weiss can't be a special counsel because the special counsel in law has to be somebody coming from outside of the Justice Department.

00:06:40.100 Second,

00:06:41.360 to take a guy who has almost been,

00:06:44.900 you know,

00:06:45.460 a comedy act.

00:06:46.960 I mean,

00:06:47.340 you mentioned earlier,

00:06:49.100 he allowed the time to expire when they could try certain,

00:06:55.260 the biggest of the tax problems.

00:06:57.420 If that was done in the private sector,

00:06:59.400 he would have been sued for malpractice.

00:07:01.660 I mean,

00:07:01.840 it's one of the most basic,

00:07:03.060 obvious things.

00:07:03.740 This is a guy whose plea deal was so bad that it collapsed in court in public.

00:07:09.940 And this is a guy who's managed to avoid prosecuting Hunter Biden,

00:07:14.020 despite the fact that the FBI has had the laptop since 2019.

00:07:18.800 And that in fact,

00:07:20.400 people know there are a whole range of good reasons for prosecuting him.

00:07:24.340 And that's the guy that Merrick Garland picks to become the special incumbent.

00:07:30.380 The whole thing is such an act of utter contempt for all the rest of us that it's,

00:07:36.680 it's,

00:07:37.200 I think,

00:07:37.680 kind of astonishing.

00:07:39.400 So why does he do it now?

00:07:41.020 Is it to retain control?

00:07:43.820 Is it to shut down Weiss testifying in front of the House?

00:07:48.200 Like,

00:07:48.420 what do you think led Merrick Garland to do this on Friday?

00:07:50.800 Well,

00:07:51.440 I'm not totally sure.

00:07:53.580 I think part of it is that,

00:07:54.620 that Weiss is beginning to realize that he's going to have to actually try Hunter Biden,

00:08:00.000 that they're not going to get to a pleading,

00:08:02.360 not one that Biden will accept and not one that he can offer.

00:08:06.860 So from that standpoint,

00:08:07.980 he's in a different position.

00:08:09.640 I also think that they're going to try to use this to shield Weiss from testifying,

00:08:16.000 but that doesn't necessarily work.

00:08:18.900 If this becomes,

00:08:20.060 and this is where I think Speaker Kevin McCarthy is exactly right.

00:08:24.400 If this becomes a matter of impeachment inquiry,

00:08:29.900 they can bring him in,

00:08:31.760 even though he's currently on the case and they can compel him to testify.

00:08:36.720 He can plead the fifth,

00:08:38.480 but that's pretty weird to have a justice department lawyer pleading the fifth.

00:08:43.440 But I think that as the Republicans dig deeper and become more determined,

00:08:49.780 and as the country begins to realize how sick the whole thing is,

00:08:54.300 it's going to make it more difficult for Weiss to avoid coming in.

00:08:58.700 And frankly,

00:08:59.200 for Merrick Garland to avoid coming in.

00:09:00.940 Remember in Watergate,

00:09:02.780 the only cabinet officer ever to go to jail was the attorney general,

00:09:08.140 John Mitchell,

00:09:09.040 and he went to jail for obstruction of justice.

00:09:11.260 I suspect if we get access,

00:09:14.900 which we will eventually to all the various emails between Merrick Garland and Weiss and the White House,

00:09:22.120 we're going to find out that Merrick Garland is blatantly seeking to obstruct justice

00:09:27.040 and is vulnerable of following the John Mitchell and becoming the second U.S. attorney general

00:09:34.900 to end up in jail for obstruction.

00:09:37.800 I mean,

00:09:38.440 we've heard some rattlings about that from Ted Cruz and others about whether Merrick Garland lied under oath about the authority that had been granted to David Weiss.

00:09:47.620 And that this is just the big this is what really is a falling on the sword.

00:09:52.420 It's sort of an admission if you read it,

00:09:54.000 that the critics have been right all along.

00:09:56.120 He did not empower David Weiss.

00:09:58.060 Both of them have been misleading us about it.

00:10:00.640 And just as David Weiss was going to have to go and do the full throated under oath testimony about whether he went to the U.S.

00:10:07.900 attorneys,

00:10:08.240 which we know he did in California and D.C.

00:10:11.060 and asked them to prosecute charges only to get stiff armed and then not be able to bring those charges.

00:10:16.020 And then the statute of limitations expired right as he was going to have to do all that.

00:10:20.480 He gets this new title,

00:10:21.740 which the two of them have been telling us all along is unnecessary.

00:10:24.580 He's got more power than a special counsel.

00:10:27.580 And people like Jonathan Turley,

00:10:29.260 smart lawyers who I respect,

00:10:30.400 say that he actually does not have to go in front of Congress now.

00:10:33.720 And you're pointing out,

00:10:34.700 even if he does go,

00:10:36.000 he's got escape clauses that,

00:10:37.740 you know,

00:10:37.960 may or may not be proof fruitful for him.

00:10:40.940 But all of this,

00:10:42.900 it tells me what?

00:10:43.820 It tells me that he's in Merrick Garland's pocket.

00:10:47.620 The whistleblower said that the whistleblower said David Weiss had no real interest in investigating Hunter Biden.

00:10:52.680 The word of the investigation every turn told Hunter Biden's lawyers when they were about to raid his storage closet,

00:10:59.140 go interview him and other witnesses,

00:11:01.600 kept giving him the heads up so that they couldn't get any real evidence.

00:11:05.180 Let the statute of limitations required expire.

00:11:08.440 Misled us in his testimony that he gave to Congress and we could go down the list.

00:11:12.220 And then he tried to strike the sweetheart deal in this in this Delaware federal court,

00:11:17.460 which the judge caught him.

00:11:19.480 She caught him at.

00:11:21.000 And that's when the plea deal fell apart.

00:11:22.960 And now what we get,

00:11:24.340 Mr. Speaker,

00:11:24.940 is an announcement that,

00:11:26.780 yes,

00:11:27.160 the parties are in impasse on a negotiation to stave off the remaining charges against Hunter tax and BS charges.

00:11:34.580 I mean,

00:11:35.080 the ones that they seem to be pursuing,

00:11:36.940 not the real meat,

00:11:38.400 most of which have expired.

00:11:40.640 But they're going to pull the case away from that hero,

00:11:44.700 Delaware federal court judge.

00:11:46.500 And they want to refile now in D.C. or California,

00:11:49.460 where,

00:11:49.800 again,

00:11:50.040 they already tried,

00:11:51.460 according to the whistleblowers,

00:11:52.420 and were rebuffed by the sitting U.S.

00:11:54.220 attorneys there.

00:11:54.820 And David Weiss did nothing about it.

00:11:56.480 He did nothing about it.

00:11:57.560 So,

00:11:58.040 I mean,

00:11:58.280 the main goal here is let's get the hell away from the Delaware federal district court judge who was on to us.

00:12:06.860 Well,

00:12:07.380 look,

00:12:07.720 I think that they are frankly just trying to run the clock out.

00:12:11.860 They would like to never get to trial before the next election and simply wait everything out.

00:12:19.340 And if you'll notice,

00:12:20.620 what part of what this does is for those people who are not deeply committed left wing Democrats,

00:12:27.560 it just makes really clear the double standard of the persecution of Donald Trump when the protection of the Bidens.

00:12:36.160 I mean,

00:12:36.520 and frankly,

00:12:37.280 the protection of Hillary Clinton.

00:12:38.780 I mean,

00:12:39.300 the double standard is now so blatantly obvious that historians will someday write about it.

00:12:46.400 I think with a sense of awe that they really thought the American people were so stupid that they could have this kind of open hypocrisy and not pay for it.

00:12:56.700 And I think,

00:12:57.660 in fact,

00:12:58.060 what you're seeing is more and more people.

00:13:00.520 And Jonathan Turley is certainly an example.

00:13:03.240 Andy McCarthy is another example.

00:13:05.300 Very senior lawyers,

00:13:06.500 Alan Dershowitz,

00:13:07.680 who are saying flatly,

00:13:09.260 this stuff is all rigged.

00:13:10.840 It's all phony.

00:13:12.500 Much of it is beyond the law and should be illegal.

00:13:16.900 And that you're dealing with people in charge of the law who are in fact outside the law.

00:13:22.700 Yeah.

00:13:22.900 Who are themselves behaving corruptly.

00:13:25.940 Not for nothing.

00:13:26.800 But on the point I just made about how the whistleblower said David Weiss and his team were thwarting them,

00:13:33.100 these tax investigators,

00:13:34.820 really smart guys,

00:13:36.040 at every turn on their investigation of Hunter,

00:13:38.480 we will not be looking into Joe Biden,

00:13:40.120 they were told.

00:13:40.700 We will not be discussing,

00:13:41.820 quote,

00:13:41.900 the big guy.

00:13:42.880 You will not be asking questions about any of the Biden grandchildren,

00:13:45.620 including the adult grandchildren who had bank accounts they believe were receiving improper payments

00:13:50.380 and whose finances were involved in this whole scheme.

00:13:54.120 And meant to and trying to protect Hunter,

00:13:56.640 as I said,

00:13:57.300 with respect to the search of his storage closet,

00:13:59.520 with respect to the witness interviews that the FBI was going to do.

00:14:02.060 And just this morning,

00:14:04.220 House Oversight released a transcript of an FBI supervisory agent who backed up those two IRS whistleblowers.

00:14:10.540 The IRS whistleblowers,

00:14:11.480 they were on our show,

00:14:13.000 the FBI supervisory agent.

00:14:14.900 So,

00:14:15.040 you know,

00:14:15.180 a different,

00:14:15.560 different investigator backed them up entirely.

00:14:18.220 And one of the highlights from this agent reads as follows.

00:14:21.960 The agent said,

00:14:22.980 quote,

00:14:23.200 I was informed that FBI headquarters had contacted Secret Service headquarters and had made a notification that we sought to interview Hunter before they went there.

00:14:33.540 They did not wish for him to have a heads up.

00:14:36.280 They did not wish for the Secret Service to know.

00:14:39.160 And sure enough,

00:14:40.440 them notifying the Secret Service alerted Hunter and shut down the interview.

00:14:43.620 They did not get their interview.

00:14:45.040 And then the question was put to this FBI agent.

00:14:47.120 In your career of 20 years,

00:14:48.700 have you ever been told that you had to wait outside of a Target's home until they contacted you?

00:14:55.420 Agent,

00:14:55.920 not that I recall.

00:14:57.720 So not,

00:14:58.840 not surprisingly.

00:15:00.280 This has been happening for a long time.

00:15:02.100 All on David Weiss's watch.

00:15:03.620 I don't have any high hopes of what's going to happen now that he has a new title.

00:15:08.800 But here's the message from the House Dems who have been trying to tell us there's no there there all along.

00:15:17.320 Dan Goldman,

00:15:18.480 who is defender in chief for the Bidens,

00:15:21.180 apparently,

00:15:21.620 I guess he doesn't recognize what his proper role is,

00:15:24.400 just to represent the citizens of New York State,

00:15:27.180 his district.

00:15:29.280 He says the following,

00:15:30.460 the whole thing needs to stop.

00:15:31.660 No,

00:15:31.880 no more investigations of even Hunter.

00:15:34.400 Listen to this.

00:15:35.860 You can sing all you want and make all sorts of accusations.

00:15:39.580 But the fact of the matter is that President Biden,

00:15:42.500 there's been no evidence to show that he's been involved in anything.

00:15:45.900 And so Hunter Biden will be treated by the Department of Justice as he should be.

00:15:50.640 But Congress needs to stop investigating a private citizen.

00:15:54.440 OK,

00:15:57.420 so you used to be the House speaker.

00:15:59.120 Does he have a point that Hunter Biden's a private citizen?

00:16:01.600 Leave it to the hands of the Justice Department.

00:16:03.360 I mean,

00:16:03.980 first of all,

00:16:05.040 when the Democrats have been in charge,

00:16:06.520 they're pretty cheerful about investigating private citizens,

00:16:09.640 private businesses.

00:16:10.340 this sudden notion of,

00:16:12.380 oh,

00:16:12.580 he should be a protected class because he's a private citizen.

00:16:15.580 It's nonsense.

00:16:16.720 This is a guy who lives in the White House,

00:16:18.740 flies on Air Force One,

00:16:20.760 invokes the name of his father when he was vice president and now president,

00:16:25.220 deals with money coming from Russia,

00:16:28.500 Kazakhstan,

00:16:29.800 Ukraine,

00:16:31.340 China,

00:16:31.760 and Romania.

00:16:34.580 And we're supposed to pretend that he's just an everyday,

00:16:38.440 normal,

00:16:38.920 private citizen being persecuted by the government.

00:16:42.200 That,

00:16:42.640 you know,

00:16:43.160 it stretches credulity.

00:16:45.280 I mean,

00:16:45.580 the fact is,

00:16:47.760 the Bidens ran and are running basically a criminal organization.

00:16:52.300 They were taking money from all sorts of foreign countries.

00:16:55.500 They had established over 20 shell companies to try to hide the flow of the

00:16:59.880 money.

00:17:00.900 They were doing it based not only on Joe Biden's name,

00:17:05.460 but remember,

00:17:06.340 Joe Biden goes to Ukraine and says directly to the president of Ukraine,

00:17:11.300 if you don't fire the prosecutor who is threatening Burisma,

00:17:17.060 the company that had hired Hunter,

00:17:18.400 I'm going to make sure you lose a billion dollars in foreign aid and we're

00:17:23.460 going to work to block a $40 billion loan from the International Monetary

00:17:27.900 Fund.

00:17:28.600 Now that's much more than just the brand.

00:17:31.800 That is an act which clearly implicates Joe Biden in this whole process.

00:17:38.020 Then you look at the two dinners at Cafe Milano,

00:17:40.900 the dinner in France,

00:17:42.320 where the vice president,

00:17:44.520 then vice president Biden happens to be having dinner with Hunter,

00:17:48.400 Biden's business associates.

00:17:50.400 And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden's not involved.

00:17:54.760 We can't,

00:17:55.980 I might commend Chairman Comer for very aggressively pursuing the money sources,

00:18:04.220 working on the bank accounts.

00:18:06.000 I think they will eventually peel back all the layers and we will realize what an

00:18:11.620 amazing multimillion dollar ripoff this was.

00:18:14.280 But remember,

00:18:15.200 this isn't anything new.

00:18:16.520 Hillary Clinton was making millions and millions out of misusing public trust and

00:18:22.600 then deleted 32,000 emails with no consequence.

00:18:27.880 Obama is the person who actually corrupted the Justice Department.

00:18:32.260 And so here's Joe Biden looking,

00:18:33.780 thinking,

00:18:34.460 gosh,

00:18:35.200 the Obama Justice Department is not going to prosecute any Democrat.

00:18:38.580 And Hillary is making all this money.

00:18:40.620 Why can't I have some?

00:18:43.440 And so he took kind of a Delaware sized version of Hillary's much bigger corruption.

00:18:49.160 And I have zero doubt that from the money given to the University of Pennsylvania by the Chinese,

00:18:55.480 the money given to the University of Delaware,

00:18:57.820 the various businesses that were giving money,

00:19:00.320 the Bidens are wallowing in corruption and they're counting on the rest of us not believing it because the elite news media is so terrified of Donald Trump that they refuse to cover in any honest way what's happening with the Biden family.

00:19:16.160 What do you what do you make of it?

00:19:18.440 Because right now,

00:19:19.440 I mean,

00:19:19.620 what these Democrats keep saying is there's no evidence Joe did any of this.

00:19:23.440 There's no evidence.

00:19:24.660 Well,

00:19:24.760 we know why there's no proof in a smoking gun document.

00:19:28.480 Number one,

00:19:29.400 that's not generally how crime is done or corruption.

00:19:32.680 And number two,

00:19:34.060 they won't investigate.

00:19:35.920 They just went through what the IRS whistleblowers were saying.

00:19:38.440 They got shut down from looking into anything having to do with Joe Biden.

00:19:41.720 And they're the ones who have been looking.

00:19:43.880 And even in that alleged FBI forum claiming that he'd accepted a bribe,

00:19:47.740 the state was included saying they'll never find it.

00:19:50.760 We've covered it over so many different bank accounts.

00:19:52.940 They'll never be.

00:19:53.380 So who knows?

00:19:54.140 We don't.

00:19:54.720 They haven't investigated is the is the real response.

00:19:58.600 Yeah,

00:19:59.100 go ahead.

00:20:00.080 I was going to say that the original concept of corruption wasn't just taking a direct bribe for a direct act.

00:20:07.820 It was the misuse of public good and making a decision that favored private interest over public interest.

00:20:15.800 You have to ask yourself,

00:20:17.620 why was Hunter on Air Force Two going into China?

00:20:20.880 Why was Joe Biden at a dinner with a Chinese billionaire and his son who were supposed to be told,

00:20:27.220 oh,

00:20:27.520 there's really nothing inappropriate about it?

00:20:29.540 Why was Joe Biden at a dinner with the widow of the mayor of Moscow who then sent three and a half million dollars to Hunter?

00:20:39.360 I mean,

00:20:39.720 does any serious person believe that Hunter Biden was so smart,

00:20:45.560 so clever,

00:20:46.780 knew so much that people just wanted to lavish money on him?

00:20:50.520 Of course not.

00:20:51.360 I mean,

00:20:52.160 you really have to suspend any capacity for thinking in order to believe that all this money just happened to pour in to the Biden family.

00:21:00.480 And Joe had nothing to do with it.

00:21:02.980 So that's that's the thing.

00:21:04.740 There's the rub.

00:21:05.380 So irrespective of whether Joe Biden took a bribe or,

00:21:09.300 you know,

00:21:09.420 was in on all of it.

00:21:11.340 It's indisputable that he allowed his family members to to become millionaires while he was the sitting vice president

00:21:19.060 by taking payments from corporations who were getting no value from said family members other than the connection to Joe Biden.

00:21:27.320 To me,

00:21:27.900 this is on Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

00:21:30.860 And it's almost stunning to me that we weren't able to,

00:21:34.420 you know,

00:21:35.500 debate this in the lead up to 2020 before he won the first time.

00:21:40.340 Never mind right now where they're running a rope a dope to try to get us to stop from talking about it in 2024.

00:21:46.340 Well,

00:21:48.040 you know,

00:21:48.320 I think we underestimate the depth of corruption that's involved.

00:21:54.800 And again,

00:21:55.080 I want to go back to Hillary because she was so much more blatant.

00:21:59.040 It's very hard to argue that erasing 32,000 emails is not,

00:22:05.880 in fact,

00:22:06.140 an indication of behavior.

00:22:07.740 It's very hard to argue that having your staff take a hammer to literally physically destroy the hard drive on a computer

00:22:14.460 is in an effort to obstruct justice.

00:22:17.560 No one has ever thoroughly investigated the Russian purchase of 20% of America's uranium.

00:22:23.980 Well,

00:22:24.780 the Russian company was giving the Clinton administration,

00:22:27.480 the Clinton Foundation,

00:22:28.940 $37 million.

00:22:31.020 I mean,

00:22:32.360 she was secretary of state.

00:22:34.480 The committee she's on had to approve the sale.

00:22:37.340 They approved the sale.

00:22:38.660 The Russians get one fifth of all our uranium and she happens to get $37 million and it never became a serious problem.

00:22:48.140 You can just go on and on about this stuff and then you get to the Bidens.

00:22:51.920 And by any reasonable standard,

00:22:55.800 what you're dealing with here is a clearly corrupt system that was cleverly designed to minimize being caught.

00:23:04.920 And that is gradually crumbling because the House Republicans are showing that they have the courage and the tenacity to just stick to it

00:23:14.480 and gradually pull this stuff out into the open.

00:23:16.980 And every time they pull something new out into the open,

00:23:19.900 it stinks even more.

00:23:22.260 So how does it work now?

00:23:23.420 If Comer wants to get more bank account information,

00:23:26.960 for example,

00:23:28.180 can,

00:23:28.780 can David Weiss,

00:23:31.280 as special counsel,

00:23:32.500 the guy allegedly running,

00:23:34.200 heard on the whole Hunter investigation say,

00:23:36.680 no,

00:23:37.240 no,

00:23:37.360 no,

00:23:38.060 Bank of America or whomever,

00:23:39.780 you cannot produce that stuff to Comer because I'm running,

00:23:43.840 I'm from the DOJ.

00:23:44.920 And I'm telling you that would interfere with my investigation.

00:23:48.160 So,

00:23:48.380 I mean,

00:23:48.580 how much of,

00:23:49.540 you know,

00:23:50.300 how much,

00:23:50.720 how much thwarting can he do of the Comer investigation?

00:23:53.620 It might have to go all the way to the Supreme Court,

00:23:55.560 but the fact is under our system of a separation of powers,

00:23:59.960 Congress has the right to investigate the executive branch,

00:24:03.420 period.

00:24:05.120 Furthermore,

00:24:05.900 if they want to play that tough,

00:24:07.300 my,

00:24:07.560 my position would be quit funding the offices.

00:24:11.160 I mean,

00:24:11.320 just as of September 30th,

00:24:13.140 they can't operate if they don't have any money.

00:24:16.280 And,

00:24:16.800 and I think if you really want,

00:24:18.260 if they want to play really hard ball,

00:24:20.440 the most powerful tool the house Republicans have is just defund them and say,

00:24:25.540 you're not going to have a penny to operate on after,

00:24:27.500 after September one,

00:24:28.960 which could be applied both for Weiss and to Merrick Garland and to Jack Smith.

00:24:33.540 I mean,

00:24:34.280 these are,

00:24:34.620 these are clearly such blatantly corrupt actions that the Congress has an

00:24:39.100 obligation to defend the American people.

00:24:42.600 When you have an executive branch,

00:24:44.620 which has grown corrupt,

00:24:46.360 it's an absolute obligation.

00:24:48.820 And I think that the courts ultimately would uphold that obligation.

00:24:52.100 And I,

00:24:52.860 and I haven't seen any evidence yet because the,

00:24:54.860 the bank records are coming out of the treasury department and the treasury

00:24:58.740 department has been relatively cooperative so far.

00:25:01.060 So my hunch is again,

00:25:03.560 because think about this.

00:25:05.820 There's a pretty good sign now that if you're really defending the Bidens,

00:25:09.480 you may be on the wrong side of history.

00:25:11.860 And now there's some people out there,

00:25:13.560 and this is why you get these whistleblowers who are saying,

00:25:15.940 well,

00:25:16.000 you know,

00:25:16.820 I think I'd rather be on the right side of history and risk reprisal from the

00:25:21.200 people that I think are going to go down.

00:25:23.500 And I think you're going to get more of that.

00:25:26.360 Not just Joe Biden,

00:25:27.340 because,

00:25:27.680 you know,

00:25:27.980 we were talking about Ted Cruz earlier.

00:25:29.440 He's been saying Merrick Garland may need to be impeached himself,

00:25:33.000 like indicted that Merrick Garland may get indicted for lying under oath to

00:25:36.720 Congress about the powers that he did or did not grant to David Weiss,

00:25:40.340 given what the IRS whistleblowers testified to and have a memo reflecting with

00:25:46.260 David Weiss saying he's not special counsel.

00:25:48.500 He doesn't have the powers that Merrick Garland was telling Congress he did.

00:25:51.740 And just as they're about to get to the bottom of it with an actual David Weiss witness

00:25:56.500 appearance,

00:25:57.520 Merrick Garland makes him special counsel.

00:26:00.300 So Merrick Garland could be in individual trouble.

00:26:04.020 And then we've got Joe Biden and the acts he took as vice president.

00:26:07.920 All this relates to as vice president,

00:26:10.020 what he's done as president.

00:26:11.740 We don't know.

00:26:12.460 I mean,

00:26:12.600 he's been certainly very soft in many ways on the Chinese.

00:26:16.000 He's been very supportive of Ukraine.

00:26:18.040 These are all the company or all the countries that Hunter was taking money from.

00:26:21.460 Romania haven't looked into it,

00:26:23.300 but they also were paying Hunter's bills.

00:26:26.840 Uzbekistan.

00:26:27.580 I mean,

00:26:27.720 I could go down the list,

00:26:28.580 but none of these places needed Hunter's legal skills.

00:26:31.940 So that now more and more you're hearing,

00:26:34.260 we're going to begin an impeachment inquiry.

00:26:36.440 So just explain to us,

00:26:37.460 what's the difference between an impeachment inquiry and actual impeachment proceedings?

00:26:42.260 Well,

00:26:43.620 the house will have to vote to establish the inquiry,

00:26:46.820 but I think the evidence is building that the house probably will vote to set up an inquiry.

00:26:51.960 What that does is it broadens the ability of the house to issue subpoenas and to command people in the executive branch to show up and testify.

00:27:01.800 So it dramatically strengthens the ability of the house Republicans to dig at getting to the truth.

00:27:08.080 It makes it much harder for the Biden administration to block them from that kind of approach.

00:27:14.960 And I think Speaker McCarthy is very wise.

00:27:18.040 They should not try to rush to an impeachment when they don't yet have the evidence and they don't have the country convinced.

00:27:25.880 The only successful real effort to drive a president from public office was Nixon.

00:27:31.260 And that was really because ultimately the country became convinced that what he had done was unsustainable.

00:27:37.420 And so I think they need to keep working away doing exactly what Chairman Comer is doing,

00:27:42.460 but do it and what Chairman Jordan and Chairman Smith have been doing,

00:27:45.640 but to broaden their ability to command people to come and testify.

00:27:50.460 And I don't know the case law on this.

00:27:53.000 I'm a historian,

00:27:53.800 not a lawyer,

00:27:54.080 but I think it'd be very hard for Weiss to refuse to show up.

00:27:59.660 He might not talk about his immediate current activities,

00:28:03.240 but he can't avoid talking about his past activities.

00:28:06.340 And he can't hide with any notion that those somehow will weaken his case.

00:28:11.100 So I think you will see the Congress find a way to bring him in.

00:28:16.220 I look forward to the moment where somebody asks him,

00:28:18.840 you and Merrick Garland told us you had more power in your status working for Garland as the U.S. attorney,

00:28:24.740 as the investigator on this case,

00:28:26.500 than a special counsel would have.

00:28:28.180 So why the designation?

00:28:29.480 Do you have less power now?

00:28:30.680 By definition?

00:28:31.060 I mean,

00:28:31.200 isn't it just a tautology then that you now have less power than you had last week or before this designation?

00:28:37.320 Let him explain this.

00:28:40.160 They're treating us like morons,

00:28:42.180 and it's infuriating,

00:28:43.460 you know,

00:28:43.620 because the media,

00:28:44.420 of course,

00:28:44.680 goes along with it.

00:28:45.540 And they're sitting back just saying,

00:28:47.360 ooh,

00:28:47.560 special counsel,

00:28:48.240 Republicans got what they wanted without actually doing honest reporting.

00:28:52.460 It's,

00:28:52.900 you know,

00:28:53.260 it's infuriating as always.

00:28:54.800 And then you've got these Democrats out there like,

00:28:57.060 let the justice system do its job.

00:28:58.820 Let the system run its course.

00:29:00.500 All right.

00:29:00.860 Stand by,

00:29:01.420 because what we'd really like to talk to Newt Gingrich about is the march to the majority.

00:29:06.340 That's his book,

00:29:07.300 the march to the majority,

00:29:08.200 the real story of the Republican revolution.

00:29:10.420 So,

00:29:10.920 but,

00:29:11.220 but the reason that this is important,

00:29:13.920 right,

00:29:14.080 because he led it back in 1994,

00:29:15.420 and the contract with America and the whole bit.

00:29:17.580 The reason this is important is because it's tight.

00:29:20.900 As you know,

00:29:21.360 the Republicans barely won the house the last time around,

00:29:24.420 and they could lose it again.

00:29:26.260 And then what happens?

00:29:27.520 Does Newt Gingrich have a plan for the Republicans to retain power

00:29:30.260 in at least one house of Congress?

00:29:32.320 And what lessons can be learned from how he did it?

00:29:35.520 Stand by.

00:29:39.420 Here with me today,

00:29:40.560 former speaker of the house,

00:29:42.220 Newt Gingrich.

00:29:42.860 He's the author of the great new book,

00:29:46.080 March to the Majority,

00:29:47.760 the real story of the Republican revolution.

00:29:50.300 And what a revolution it was.

00:29:52.260 It was led by our guest today.

00:29:54.580 And he's got some thoughts on how the Republicans can retain power in the house,

00:29:59.920 which I really love divided government as a,

00:30:03.180 as a registered independent,

00:30:04.760 Mr.

00:30:04.980 Speaker.

00:30:05.240 And I'm worried because it was so tight the last time.

00:30:10.060 And if the Republicans lose the house,

00:30:12.780 whatever happens at the,

00:30:13.840 at the top,

00:30:14.400 you know,

00:30:14.640 if let's say Joe Biden wins reelection,

00:30:17.120 I'll feel much better if the Republicans retain power in the house.

00:30:20.500 But if,

00:30:20.960 if they lose it,

00:30:22.100 I mean,

00:30:22.340 we're done.

00:30:22.820 We're in a lot of trouble.

00:30:24.460 So what are your thoughts?

00:30:25.940 Well,

00:30:26.140 I look,

00:30:26.860 I'm basically a student of Ronald Reagan.

00:30:29.500 I worked with him before he became president.

00:30:32.000 I worked with him as a member of Congress while he was president.

00:30:34.680 And I really believe ideas matter.

00:30:37.580 I believe that having big ideas,

00:30:40.480 big solutions,

00:30:41.820 helping people,

00:30:42.900 you know,

00:30:43.160 this country is a mess right now,

00:30:44.660 whether it's the fact you can't afford the cost of living,

00:30:47.780 or it's the fact that you have open borders with millions of people pouring in,

00:30:54.400 or it's the level of crime we're dealing with.

00:30:57.140 Every time you turn around the school systems in some of our biggest cities,

00:31:00.600 just plain don't work,

00:31:02.260 produce children who can't read and write and do arithmetic.

00:31:05.680 So I think that you have to have a party committed to solutions more than just

00:31:12.660 investigating Biden,

00:31:13.900 more than just fighting over politics,

00:31:15.480 but thinking through how do we make America work again?

00:31:19.480 And how do we take some of our biggest problems and turn them into

00:31:23.060 opportunities and solutions?

00:31:24.820 We did that with Reagan in 1980 in the middle of the Carter disaster.

00:31:30.160 He came in and he had very specific positive ideas.

00:31:33.300 We built on that.

00:31:34.460 We stood on his shoulders in 1994 and created the contract with America,

00:31:40.500 which I described in March,

00:31:42.560 the majority,

00:31:43.380 because I think it's,

00:31:44.100 it's a playbook for today.

00:31:45.400 It's not,

00:31:45.880 not just history,

00:31:46.780 but it's something that Republicans in the house,

00:31:49.880 the Senate and the Congress and the presidential races can pick up and say,

00:31:53.840 here is a model that works.

00:31:55.740 We had not been a majority for 40 years.

00:32:00.260 We not only won in 1994,

00:32:02.480 but by governing in a very positive way and offering solutions,

00:32:07.180 which ultimately led to the only four balanced budgets of your lifetime.

00:32:11.660 Think about that.

00:32:12.760 Only four balanced budgets in your lifetime.

00:32:14.780 And they all occurred when the house Republicans were in charge.

00:32:18.520 The result was we reelected.

00:32:20.640 We were the first reelected house Republican majority since 1928.

00:32:25.880 That shifted the balance of power in Washington.

00:32:29.440 We briefly lost power in 2006.

00:32:32.640 Four years later,

00:32:33.380 we came back with a huge victory,

00:32:35.600 basically on the theme of where are the jobs?

00:32:38.460 Again,

00:32:38.960 a big idea,

00:32:40.020 a big question.

00:32:41.340 And I would argue that Republicans need to,

00:32:44.140 in 2024,

00:32:46.000 focus in on the things that matter to the American people.

00:32:49.120 And while investigating Biden is important and we have to do it because it's our duty,

00:32:56.180 much more important for the election.

00:32:58.660 We have to offer solutions on the cost of gasoline,

00:33:02.260 the cost of food,

00:33:03.720 on housing opportunities for young people.

00:33:06.000 We're finding it now almost impossible.

00:33:08.540 The average young person finds it almost impossible to go out and buy a house.

00:33:12.280 We have to find a solution to the drug crisis,

00:33:15.360 which is killing over a hundred thousand people a year.

00:33:19.480 Twice as many Americans die from drug overdoses annually as died in the entire Vietnam War.

00:33:27.160 So there are things we've got to focus on that are real.

00:33:30.320 We have to come up with solutions.

00:33:32.140 And then we have to win the argument.

00:33:34.120 We have to explain why our solution is better than what the Democrats want to do.

00:33:38.160 And if we do that,

00:33:39.460 I think we could have a shockingly big victory.

00:33:41.900 And in 2025,

00:33:44.160 we could actually begin to reform government and get things done in a serious way.

00:33:49.120 To get us back to a time of prosperity and safety and opportunity for people.

00:33:55.680 You're so right,

00:33:56.760 because we can get pulled into these.

00:34:00.780 Dramatics around the Hunter Biden story,

00:34:04.660 the possible impeachment of Joe Biden,

00:34:07.060 the Trump indictments.

00:34:08.200 And it's not to say those aren't real stories.

00:34:10.400 They are real stories.

00:34:11.560 But we can get pulled into them at the expense of some of the issues you just ticked off.

00:34:17.100 And we were reminded,

00:34:19.180 I think as a country,

00:34:20.560 about the importance of,

00:34:22.020 in particular,

00:34:22.480 economic issues by a guy named Oliver Anthony this past weekend.

00:34:26.420 I don't know if you've seen this guy's video,

00:34:28.280 but he's a farmer down in Virginia

00:34:31.560 who had never even shot a video of him singing,

00:34:35.880 not on his iPhone.

00:34:37.180 You know,

00:34:37.940 like a,

00:34:39.060 you know,

00:34:39.620 working class guy who's trying to make it on the farm.

00:34:41.520 He's got three dogs who likes to make music.

00:34:44.020 But on this particular video,

00:34:45.540 he did,

00:34:46.500 he posted it.

00:34:47.660 It went,

00:34:48.860 I mean,

00:34:49.160 completely viral.

00:34:50.460 It took over like number one in the billboard charts.

00:34:52.740 It,

00:34:52.800 it ousted Jason Aldean song,

00:34:55.000 not,

00:34:55.300 not in a small town or try that in a small town.

00:34:58.240 And now this guy who nobody knew a few days ago has become an international superstar because

00:35:03.080 of the way he sings this song and the lyrics that are in it.

00:35:05.860 I'm just going to give a,

00:35:07.180 give an example because there's a reason it's resonating with so many people.

00:35:09.820 And I think it gets to exactly what you just said.

00:35:12.100 Take a listen to Oliver Anthony singing rich men north of Richmond.

00:35:16.380 I wish politicians would look out for minors and not just minors on an island somewhere.

00:35:24.700 Lord,

00:35:25.420 we got folks in the street,

00:35:27.520 ain't got nothing to eat and the whole beast milking welfare.

00:35:32.220 Well,

00:35:33.020 God,

00:35:33.420 if you're five foot three and you're 300 pounds,

00:35:37.420 taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds.

00:35:41.140 Young men are putting themselves six feet in the ground.

00:35:44.900 Cause all this damn country does is keep on kicking them down.

00:35:50.320 Lord,

00:35:50.960 it's a damn shame.

00:35:52.760 What the world's gotten to,

00:35:55.220 to people like me,

00:35:56.900 to people like you.

00:35:58.520 Pretty extraordinary,

00:36:01.180 very catchy tune and,

00:36:03.180 you know,

00:36:03.480 sort of resonates in the soul.

00:36:05.520 Both of those songs that are just sort of skyrocketed.

00:36:08.800 Both of them reflect the sense of,

00:36:11.400 of alienation.

00:36:12.940 That here we are,

00:36:14.100 we're every day,

00:36:14.940 we're average Americans.

00:36:16.080 Americans and that there are things going on that we don't like that challenge and threaten our lives.

00:36:22.240 And that we don't trust the people in power to care about us.

00:36:26.380 And I think that that's a very deep part of what's going on in America today is this sense,

00:36:32.160 which,

00:36:32.320 which in a way gets you back to Merrick Garland and the whole process of a corrupt system.

00:36:37.780 But the notion that the people who have power,

00:36:41.440 including financial power,

00:36:43.260 actually don't operate on behalf of America.

00:36:46.300 They operate selfishly on behalf of themselves and they leave everybody else behind.

00:36:51.640 And I think this is a,

00:36:52.800 I think what he's tapping into is a very deep sense that he's cutting through and telling the truth in a way that you very seldom have people do.

00:37:03.200 And I think frankly,

00:37:04.580 that's part of what has powered Donald Trump's entire political career.

00:37:10.740 The people out there who feel the most alienated think,

00:37:14.500 you know,

00:37:15.200 whatever his flaws,

00:37:16.640 at least he's standing up fighting for them.

00:37:19.620 And it's,

00:37:20.120 it's fascinating to watch this deep momentum building in the country at large.

00:37:25.680 And I think when people like Joe Biden and Merrick Garland display open contempt for the American people,

00:37:32.520 they are increasing the number of Americans who say,

00:37:36.460 I got it.

00:37:37.780 You're the kind of guys we got to get rid of.

00:37:40.340 That's the thing is I,

00:37:41.240 I do think they're,

00:37:43.240 Oh,

00:37:43.860 you know,

00:37:44.140 he's,

00:37:44.740 he's on drugs.

00:37:45.600 He was on drugs.

00:37:46.400 That's really what this is about.

00:37:47.620 Don't be so mean.

00:37:48.400 He had a drug problem.

00:37:49.100 Like a lot of Americans that's failing.

00:37:51.060 People are starting to get it.

00:37:53.080 People who are on drugs don't have access to the sitting vice president who can cut deals that get them $20 million,

00:37:58.780 help them cut deals and access $20 million.

00:38:00.980 And they sit back laughing at us while they flout the law.

00:38:04.160 I mean,

00:38:04.780 I think the average Joe at home understands uncle Joe Biden is not actually the avuncular kind,

00:38:12.580 sweet,

00:38:13.120 you know,

00:38:13.340 just scrappy guy from Scranton that he,

00:38:15.920 he would have us believe.

00:38:17.080 But let me,

00:38:18.260 let me shift the discussion a little because one of your best moments I've covered it.

00:38:23.000 We all covered it.

00:38:23.740 It was amazing.

00:38:24.320 was at a presidential debate and you got hit because an ex-wife had made some

00:38:29.260 allegation about your marriage and sort of what you had allegedly proposed before a divorce.

00:38:33.820 And John King of CNN opened the debate with a question to you about her allegations.

00:38:41.620 Those of us in media,

00:38:42.720 I'm sure John King cannot forget the response.

00:38:45.780 Here's just a little bit of it down memory lane because we're going to talk about the debates.

00:38:49.320 Would you like to take some time to respond to that?

00:38:53.300 No,

00:38:54.080 but I will.

00:38:54.700 I think the destructive,

00:39:04.820 vicious,

00:39:05.800 negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country,

00:39:11.380 harder to attract decent people to run for public office.

00:39:14.240 And I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that.

00:39:19.820 Standing ovation for our listening audience and devastatingly CNN control room has control

00:39:34.220 over whether they cut to the anchor or not.

00:39:36.360 For some reason,

00:39:37.140 they hung poor John King out to dry by cutting it to a shot of him looking completely shell

00:39:42.180 shocked.

00:39:43.460 I think the control room may have been so shocked that it didn't occur to them to about two minutes

00:39:48.060 later.

00:39:49.300 No,

00:39:49.660 don't cut to John King.

00:39:51.540 It was a spontaneous,

00:39:53.920 instinctive response.

00:39:55.280 I mean,

00:39:55.460 you know,

00:39:55.880 we hadn't planned that response,

00:39:59.500 but it just struck me that the average American would understand.

00:40:05.360 And frankly,

00:40:06.220 a lot of the whole sense of fake news and a lot of the hostility to the news media,

00:40:11.400 I think,

00:40:11.620 was triggered by my campaign in 12 by being willing to tell the truth and take people head

00:40:16.420 on.

00:40:17.540 And I think John King never fully recovered from it.

00:40:22.060 Listen to this,

00:40:22.760 Newt,

00:40:22.960 my executive producer,

00:40:24.160 Steve Krakauer,

00:40:24.820 used to work for CNN and Fox and among others.

00:40:26.960 But he's just telling me he was in the control room that night at that moment.

00:40:31.660 And everybody was just shocked.

00:40:33.580 They didn't know what they were doing.

00:40:34.720 You really threw everyone off balance because it had been a lot of years of Republicans just

00:40:40.060 shrugging their shoulders at the media bias and being on their heels with their tails

00:40:44.300 between their legs on whatever the latest scandal was that they dreamed up that,

00:40:48.120 you know,

00:40:48.480 GOPers would have to answer for me while it was ignored on the Dem side.

00:40:52.040 But no one could call,

00:40:53.720 no one calls attention to it the way you did.

00:40:56.300 Just so powerful,

00:40:58.000 effective,

00:40:59.480 sliced his legs out from under him.

00:41:01.600 But it hasn't changed anything about media bias.

00:41:05.820 And the GOPers now are still dealing with an even more biased media.

00:41:09.160 And Trump is debating on whether to go to this first and maybe second Republican debate.

00:41:13.660 So how do you see the media and the debates that are upcoming as affecting,

00:41:19.220 you know,

00:41:19.580 your hopes for what's going to happen in the House and at the presidency?

00:41:22.820 Well,

00:41:23.080 look,

00:41:24.380 Reagan had the same challenges.

00:41:26.880 If you're a conservative,

00:41:28.980 you have to start.

00:41:30.120 And Theodore White wrote about this as early as the making of the president in 1968.

00:41:35.160 He had an entire chapter on media bias all the way back then.

00:41:40.000 I think you have to start with an assumption that you have to find ways to communicate,

00:41:44.960 partly just by repetition,

00:41:47.100 despite the fact that the New York Times won't cover you honestly,

00:41:51.520 the Washington Post won't cover you honestly,

00:41:53.960 and therefore the three big networks won't cover you honestly.

00:41:56.960 And you just have to plow past them.

00:41:59.180 And you have to keep repeating what you're saying.

00:42:01.520 And there are moments like that when it's live and you're on the air.

00:42:05.180 And you can win those fights pretty decisively.

00:42:07.580 But the American people engage in a long-term conversation.

00:42:13.400 You know,

00:42:13.580 it's not any one day or any one week.

00:42:15.300 Remember,

00:42:16.020 Reagan emerges when there's no Fox News,

00:42:18.340 there's no Rush Limbaugh,

00:42:19.940 there's no talk radio on the conservative side.

00:42:23.300 But by sheer constant effort,

00:42:25.760 he gradually broke through.

00:42:27.140 It took him from October of 1964,

00:42:30.140 when he gave a great speech for Barry Goldwater that was televised nationally,

00:42:33.540 to 1980 to win.

00:42:35.680 And he said one time,

00:42:37.020 he didn't change much,

00:42:38.060 but the world came around.

00:42:39.780 And I think that was the way we approached it.

00:42:41.880 And in March to the majority,

00:42:43.080 I tried to outline the 16-year campaign,

00:42:46.200 16 years,

00:42:47.580 to create a Republican majority in the House.

00:42:49.600 And then the four years of successfully negotiating with Bill Clinton to get conservative reforms adopted.

00:42:55.880 And I think we can do it again.

00:42:58.060 But we have to recognize when you get up in the morning,

00:43:00.700 you have to assume that you are communicating into a hurricane that's opposed to you.

00:43:05.960 And that hurricane is the elite media.

00:43:09.160 Absolutely right.

00:43:10.280 Yeah.

00:43:10.440 And the book is full of honest revelations about where you think the House went wrong.

00:43:14.700 There was an interesting passage about overestimating the interest in the Monica Lewinsky scandal,

00:43:19.080 because, you know, it had everything.

00:43:21.180 But realizing that actually wasn't really helping people's pocketbook issues,

00:43:25.360 and they weren't as aghast by what Clinton did as maybe the House Republicans were.

00:43:31.020 So there may be some lessons in there for those, you know, making similar decisions today.

00:43:36.280 I mean, I don't know.

00:43:38.540 I worry that the media has gotten so biased.

00:43:42.820 Like, and Trump did that.

00:43:44.960 And it was great.

00:43:45.720 Like, Trump exposed their bias in a way that had never been exposed before.

00:43:49.200 But now they've almost leaned in.

00:43:50.940 Now they've almost just completely embraced it.

00:43:53.400 You know, with the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop and whatever.

00:43:56.460 I mean, I just, I worry that they're another player in this election.

00:43:59.920 Well, they are a player, and they're a player on the side of the left.

00:44:03.740 And they're absolutely terrified that Trump may win.

00:44:07.400 You know, Clissa and I, when she was the ambassador to the Vatican, we took some time off and went up to Turin,

00:44:13.080 which has the second best Egyptian museum outside of Egypt for historic reasons.

00:44:19.580 And we had this guide taking us around.

00:44:22.460 And there's an Italian guide in an Egyptian museum.

00:44:25.260 And he says, you see that statue over there?

00:44:27.900 People are going to tell you this story.

00:44:29.300 He said, fake news.

00:44:31.420 And I thought to myself, my God, I mean, here is this Italian guy who picked up Trump's language because it somehow fit.

00:44:38.780 It's very simple language.

00:44:41.300 And I think that that's one of the reasons that all these indictments have only strengthened Trump,

00:44:47.000 because people shrug him off and go, these are fake indictments being reported by fake news.

00:44:51.540 And it's creating, I don't think people on the left understand this.

00:44:56.340 This is creating a real crisis of our constitutional system.

00:45:00.680 You cannot undermine the rule of law and expect to retain a stable system.

00:45:05.560 And what they've been doing, whether it's Jack Smith or it's Weiss or, frankly, it's Mary Garland, what they have consistently been doing, including senior FBI, has so eroded the public's faith in the concept of justice that they are, in a sense, lumped in with the news media as people who are, in effect, the enemies of freedom.

00:45:26.420 And that's very dangerous for the United States as a country.

00:45:31.800 Now, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you your thoughts on the GOP field this time around.

00:45:36.560 You backed Trump in 16 and again in 20.

00:45:39.040 Of course, there was no Republican challenger in 20.

00:45:41.380 But now he's right back there fighting for the nomination.

00:45:46.000 What do you make of the current field and who do you want?

00:45:48.700 Well, Melissa and I couldn't help but laugh.

00:45:50.540 We had campaigned – she'd gone to college in Iowa at Lutheran College and we'd campaigned many times at the State Fair, which is, as you know, one of the great political adventures in America.

00:46:03.340 Hundreds of thousands of Iowans show up.

00:46:05.800 Politicians show up.

00:46:06.800 And there was a moment the other day when Governor DeSantis, who's a very good governor of Florida, but not particularly good presidential candidate, Governor DeSantis is making a speech and all of a sudden overhead, and frankly, total violation of the rules, is this huge airplane with Trump's name on it.

00:46:25.600 And the crowd goes crazy.

00:46:26.760 So here he is, the guy trying to be the competitor, and suddenly he's faced with Donald J. Trump overhead in a way that nobody can ignore.

00:46:36.120 And about a half hour later, they've landed and Trump shows up.

00:46:40.020 And, you know, my sense is that the Trump team is better this time, much better than it was either in 2016 or 20.

00:46:49.440 And my guess is that Trump will be the Republican nominee and that despite everything the news media and the Justice Department does, the odds are at least even money he's the next president of the United States.

00:47:00.180 All right.

00:47:00.820 Don't have much time left, but if he becomes the nominee, how do you like his odds of helping Republicans keep the – because, you know, the worry from some is he'll lose and that the GOP will lose the House along with him.

00:47:13.860 But he will turn out a tidal wave of voters who are deeply alienated from what they see as corruption in Washington and as economic disasters.

00:47:24.620 And I suspect they will win the Senate and increase the number of seats pretty dramatically in the House.

00:47:31.160 Wow.

00:47:32.140 Newt Gingrich, you heard it here.

00:47:35.000 The book is called March to the Majority, the Real Story of the Republican Revolution.

00:47:39.480 He led it.

00:47:40.320 He knows how to do it.

00:47:41.260 And it's well worth your time.

00:47:42.420 Great to see you, sir.

00:47:43.180 Hope you come back.

00:47:43.860 Nice to be with you.

00:47:45.600 Don't forget, folks, you can find The Megyn Kelly Show live on SiriusXM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at Nunez and subscribe at YouTube if you want to watch us, too.

00:47:56.200 Now we turn to Kelly's Court with two stellar panelists today.

00:48:00.460 There's a lot to get to, including Brian Kohlberger finally providing his, quote, alibi, plus mounting legal trouble for Lizzo as more of her former dancers come out against her.

00:48:13.340 And it looks like she's been booted from any consideration of performing at the Super Bowl, which apparently she was under prior to all this joining us now to break it all down.

00:48:23.160 Viva Frye, lawyer and YouTuber and Peter Tragos, host of The Lawyer, you know, Peter, it's Tragos, isn't it?

00:48:31.940 Sorry.

00:48:33.020 Great to see you both.

00:48:34.380 Thanks for being back on.

00:48:35.720 And I want to start with Brian Kohlberger because the case is so chilling and we've been waiting.

00:48:41.220 You know, they had to say whether they were going to provide an alibi for the guy.

00:48:44.560 That's that's required.

00:48:45.500 So the defense can give notice to the prosecution.

00:48:48.360 The prosecution has a chance to look into it to figure out if you really do have an alibi.

00:48:52.940 What if you have an alibi witness?

00:48:54.220 I mean, that'd be great.

00:48:55.020 OK, fine.

00:48:55.580 We arrested the wrong guy.

00:48:57.080 We'll keep looking.

00:48:58.760 This Viva is the lamest alibi using the air quotes I've ever seen.

00:49:03.600 He was out driving the night alone question.

00:49:07.220 That is out driving.

00:49:08.140 I mean, look, the case itself, to the extent it relies on a lot of circumstantial or technological

00:49:16.400 evidence, a lot of people drive alone and not everybody is always in the presence of

00:49:21.220 somebody to account for where they were.

00:49:23.360 So it is what it is.

00:49:25.380 I presume he might have cellular data which might show where he was driving.

00:49:29.320 But we'll see.

00:49:30.840 It's not the strongest, most airtight alibi.

00:49:32.700 But that being said, they're dealing with a lot of technology information in this case

00:49:37.360 to come to the charges in the first place.

00:49:39.880 We'll see where it pans out.

00:49:41.180 But it might be one of those cases where they need to find somebody.

00:49:43.580 They found somebody.

00:49:44.960 It could very well be he might have a legitimate defense.

00:49:47.300 It might be totally innocent.

00:49:49.500 We'll see, I guess.

00:49:51.100 It's it's possible, but unlikely.

00:49:53.120 But Peter, I don't understand why this was even submitted as a, quote, alibi.

00:49:57.740 I mean, you can go to court and say he didn't do it.

00:50:00.640 He was driving his car that night, but that that's all he was doing was like, how is this

00:50:04.740 an alibi?

00:50:05.780 And is she just the defense lawyer is named Ann Taylor?

00:50:09.020 Is Ann Taylor just looking for headlines using the word?

00:50:11.560 He has an alibi.

00:50:12.320 He has an alibi.

00:50:13.360 So I would say, no, she's not looking for headlines, which is why the first response

00:50:17.520 to the demand for alibi was kind of vague.

00:50:19.520 And the fact that they'd come up with it through cross-examination and potentially the defendant's

00:50:23.360 statements.

00:50:24.300 So she wanted to come up with headlines coming up with an alibi.

00:50:26.640 She could have done it in the first filing.

00:50:27.960 But the state then filed the motion to compel what is that alibi?

00:50:32.020 So they said, listen, an alibi is simply he was not at the scene, the scene of the crime

00:50:37.860 at the time the crime was committed.

00:50:39.260 So therefore, if he's driving somewhere at that time, then that is technically an alibi.

00:50:43.520 Now, what the rule actually requires is you provide the corroborating materials or witness

00:50:48.160 statements or evidence that shows you were not at the scene of the crime when the crime

00:50:52.380 was committed.

00:50:53.260 Now, if he had that, then what you mentioned off the top would probably be true.

00:50:56.780 They'd let him go.

00:50:58.100 They'd arrest somebody else.

00:50:59.220 But because it is just his word, it is a weak alibi, but it is still an alibi that fits

00:51:03.880 a lot of the state's evidence because we know they have evidence he was out driving during

00:51:08.700 this time.

00:51:09.360 And therefore, it kind of fits in nicely with what the state has, even though a lot are

00:51:13.800 going to see it as a weak alibi.

00:51:14.780 I shouldn't have assumed that the audience is familiar with Brian Kohlberger by name.

00:51:19.160 He's the man accused of killing four college students at the University of Idaho in November

00:51:23.600 of 2022 as they slept or were inside their college apartment house and with a knife.

00:51:32.900 The state's best evidence appears to be a knife sheath that the killer, we believe, left behind.

00:51:39.980 It had trace DNA or touch DNA on it, which led them to Brian Kohlberger's father, who

00:51:45.720 was in one of the genetic databases, though, Brian, the son was not.

00:51:49.360 But once they've got you, once they once they have the dad, they're steps away from figuring

00:51:53.740 out who in the dad's orbit is close to University of Idaho.

00:51:56.880 Up came Brian Kohlberger.

00:51:58.160 And the car, Viva, will be very important.

00:52:02.360 Him driving around is one of the things mentioned in the indictment as the reason he was arrested.

00:52:07.960 They've got the car on videotape.

00:52:10.560 And I think they'll probably by this point have all the GPS records, too.

00:52:14.260 Right.

00:52:14.540 Well, I mean, I don't know, because it's a twenty fifteen.

00:52:17.440 Do we have GPS in every car back then?

00:52:19.140 Um, I don't know.

00:52:22.160 Well, no, they have the photo images of the white car somewhere.

00:52:26.440 Whether or not he had a cell phone on with him at the time is going to be definitive.

00:52:31.760 I mean, if he's going to say I was driving alone and I didn't take my phone with me at

00:52:34.540 this time, that alibi might, you know, as far as reasonable people go, lose credibility.

00:52:38.940 If he's driving in his car and he's got his phone and if there's GPS tracking on the

00:52:43.780 phone, he you know, it might be a good alibi.

00:52:45.840 Who knows?

00:52:46.500 Um, but I wasn't what there was another element of evidence that people might not be familiar

00:52:51.520 with.

00:52:51.800 That was a poll or a question that he had asked on Facebook about how you I forget exactly

00:52:56.360 how he phrased the question, how you'd respond if you committed a crime.

00:53:00.000 Kelly, Megan, do you remember?

00:53:01.580 Yeah, it was something about like what what made you do it or like your motivation while

00:53:04.720 you were committing the crime?

00:53:05.580 How did it make you feel?

00:53:06.940 But that's a very I mean, I'm I believe this guy did it just for the record.

00:53:10.720 But that I'm told by criminologists is actually a very common question amongst criminologists.

00:53:16.500 Criminologists and criminology students of criminals.

00:53:19.420 They're that's their whole business of figuring out how they think.

00:53:22.580 True.

00:53:23.240 I mean, as far as a narrative goes, it certainly does depict something like a Dexter esque type

00:53:28.700 individual here, you know, testing the waters and showing off his criminality while he's

00:53:34.100 planning to do something horrible or beforehand.

00:53:36.640 But whether or not he definitely has been painted as looking guilty, looking suspicious, fits

00:53:42.880 all of the check marks for scary individuals where I like to take a step back and just look

00:53:48.100 at the evidence and say, look, this is a horrific crime in order to appease the public concern,

00:53:53.280 the public terror.

00:53:54.280 You've got to find somebody.

00:53:55.360 There have been cases in the past where they have hastily accused or, you know, found someone

00:54:00.740 who looks like would be a good person at charge to quell public concern.

00:54:03.560 Whether or not that happens to be the case here, everybody should take a step back from

00:54:06.820 the court of public opinion and look at the actual hard evidence.

00:54:09.660 Not that they don't have any of it.

00:54:11.240 I'm sure I have.

00:54:13.060 They have to know why we have to debate it anymore after we find out that when the cops

00:54:17.460 raided his house in the Poconos where he was staying with his parents post November,

00:54:21.380 you know, right around the Christmas holiday time, which is when they arrested him, they burst in at

00:54:25.360 four in the morning and he was wearing gloves, disposing of his personal trash and a little

00:54:30.180 Ziploc baggies, which he'd been throwing out in the neighbor's trash for the past couple of nights

00:54:34.720 when the FBI had been watching him guilty, guilty.

00:54:37.800 It doesn't make it.

00:54:39.580 It doesn't look good.

00:54:41.140 It doesn't look good.

00:54:42.520 But now, now, now, maybe there's another explanation for all of this, or maybe he knew that he was

00:54:47.000 under surveillance.

00:54:47.640 But I know what I think.

00:54:49.980 But the important thing is to take a step back and actually just look at the hard evidence.

00:54:52.780 It looks like they have enough definitely for probable cause.

00:54:55.360 And an alibi.

00:54:56.520 I was driving.

00:54:57.400 Nobody knows where I was.

00:54:58.800 People will take that for what it's worth.

00:55:00.580 And there might be there.

00:55:01.700 There's a connection.

00:55:02.500 Peter, if this had been a crime where, OK, it took place inside a dorm and Brian Kohlberger

00:55:10.420 lived in that dorm.

00:55:11.600 He, in fact, was attending as a Ph.D.

00:55:13.680 student at the neighboring university.

00:55:15.080 But let's just say these four students were murdered in a dorm that he was in.

00:55:19.400 And his alibi was I was out driving something that removes him from the crime scene.

00:55:24.660 OK, now I'm listening.

00:55:25.980 Do you have something that proves that?

00:55:27.160 Have you got GPS?

00:55:27.860 You got pictures showing that your car was being driven by you and was nowhere near the

00:55:31.000 actual crime scene.

00:55:31.900 That's one thing that the allegation in the indictment is indeed he was driving his car.

00:55:37.060 He drove it right over to this this house in which these four students lived, killed them

00:55:42.980 and turned his phone off for those critical hours and then got back into his car and drove

00:55:48.480 away at high speeds, which is on camera.

00:55:50.940 We can see not him, but we can see his car, what we believe to be his car, doing all this.

00:55:54.860 So it's not a defense to say he was driving the car.

00:55:57.800 The prosecution is going to try to prove he was driving his car.

00:56:00.080 It's not abnormal for defenses to also fall in line with some of the undisputed evidence.

00:56:06.780 And that's a way that you can give them some credibility.

00:56:09.380 And a couple of things just to mention, number one, with the driving around as an alibi,

00:56:14.620 there is a way to set that up and explain that that is something that happened.

00:56:19.120 It was habit type of evidence that the defense could produce.

00:56:22.840 Do they have some kind of record of him turning off his phone for the late night drives?

00:56:26.880 Well, just to interrupt you, they do have a witness.

00:56:29.560 We heard her.

00:56:30.760 Peter, we did hear the witness.

00:56:31.820 The neighbor was on camera.

00:56:33.200 I think it was with Nancy Grace.

00:56:35.180 Not 100 percent sure, but I think so.

00:56:37.080 Where the neighbor said he likes to drive his car at night.

00:56:40.040 The guy takes his car out at night.

00:56:41.380 So sorry, keep going.

00:56:43.120 Yeah, so that that's a way, I think, to give a lot more credibility to the fact that he was

00:56:46.640 doing it this night and it wasn't just some thing that was coincidental, because as

00:56:51.380 has already been mentioned, a lot of this connecting to him is circumstantial, but there's

00:56:54.940 also a lot he has to explain.

00:56:56.880 He has to.

00:56:57.400 The defense doesn't have a burden, but when there's this much evidence stacked up against

00:57:00.620 you with the DNA on the sheath, yeah, it's touch DNA, but he still needs to explain that

00:57:04.920 away, just like I think the prosecution is going to have to explain the lack of DNA evidence

00:57:09.220 in the car, in the house, in his apartment and everywhere.

00:57:13.320 Like, what is the connection to these victims?

00:57:14.940 Not to say there has to be one, but I think that would help strengthen the prosecution's

00:57:19.120 case at this point.

00:57:19.820 So a full disclosure, because I already told you what I think I had Mark Garagos and Marsha

00:57:26.860 Clark on a couple of months ago, and we were debating this case.

00:57:30.780 And those two had me very worried that this guy actually is going to be acquitted or has

00:57:36.120 a very good chance of getting acquitted because we spent a lot of time at the point you just

00:57:40.040 raised, Peter.

00:57:40.900 Like, it's one thing I like I say, I don't know how you get past the Ziploc baggies as

00:57:46.260 the cops burst in and you were going to dispose of it in the neighbor's trash, you know, not

00:57:50.160 to mention the sheath.

00:57:52.100 And they went in through like the touch DNA and it may not be relevant.

00:57:54.880 And who knows if the dad, you know, the fact that the dad may have touched the sheath to

00:57:58.460 the knife in a store that wound up there.

00:58:00.180 You never know.

00:58:00.840 Blah, blah, blah.

00:58:01.340 Touch DNA is not that reliable.

00:58:02.660 All this stuff.

00:58:03.360 But the fact that they're what's missing, Viva, what's missing, at least as far as we

00:58:08.560 know, and the prosecution may have more, is what's really disturbing from those of us

00:58:13.480 who would like to see this guy convicted.

00:58:16.040 Megan, are you not if you followed the Zachariah Anderson case out of Wisconsin?

00:58:20.880 It was a guy got convicted of murder where they didn't have the body.

00:58:24.880 They didn't have a murder weapon.

00:58:26.280 And it involved a massive travel that would otherwise be virtually impossible to have traveled

00:58:31.780 to and from within the timeline of the accused crime.

00:58:34.760 In this case, so that's where the absence of video surveillance of the car in traffic

00:58:41.120 might be exculpatory.

00:58:43.060 In this case, it could conceivably be exculpatory if, I don't know, based on the alibi where

00:58:47.960 he's going to say he was driving.

00:58:49.220 I was driving in an area where it's impossible.

00:58:50.780 I could have gotten to and from the crime scene, done what I'm accused of having done, disposed

00:58:54.700 of it and gotten back in the required time.

00:58:57.080 So who knows where they're going to go with this?

00:58:58.360 I don't know the details of where exactly he alleges he was driving.

00:59:01.780 Uh, if I'm thinking the way a good criminal defense attorney might want to think is that

00:59:06.180 he'd better be far away from the crime so that the argument is going to be, I couldn't

00:59:09.020 have gotten from where I was admittedly driving to where the crime allegedly took place or

00:59:13.120 where I'm accused of having committed the crime.

00:59:15.280 Um, but other than that, yeah, it's, it's, this guy, it's easy to frame him as the one

00:59:21.060 who looks guilty by all accounts.

00:59:23.420 Behavior is very suspicious.

00:59:24.680 I can think of from a criminal defense attorney.

00:59:27.380 Why was he disposing of the stuff the night of that would be, or when they, when they

00:59:30.520 arrested him, someone might argue that that's exculpatory.

00:59:33.240 If you were really the criminal, he would have gotten rid of it, you know, well earlier

00:59:35.960 after he had committed the crime, uh, arguments are going to go back and forth.

00:59:39.400 I think it was the day's trash.

00:59:41.620 He was trying to avoid because it's not just, it's not the dad's touch DNA on the knife sheath.

00:59:45.480 Just to correct what I said a minute ago, it's his, it's his, they, they, they got a hit

00:59:49.180 in the genetic database tying whoever DNA that was to the dad, his dad, Kohlberger in the

00:59:54.840 Poconos and, but since then they've done a cheek swab of the actual suspect, Brian Kohlberger.

00:59:59.260 And they tell us it's a dead on match.

01:00:01.160 It's him.

01:00:01.840 It was a touch DNA is not exactly like finding a bunch of saliva or semen or blood or something

01:00:06.400 at the scene.

01:00:07.320 It's sketchier.

01:00:08.560 You know, there's, I'm sure his D his lawyer is going to say, who the hell knows?

01:00:12.700 Maybe he, maybe he touched the knife sheath in some store.

01:00:15.720 Maybe they, according to NBC, they have a record showing he ordered a knife that would go into

01:00:20.980 this knife sheath, uh, from Amazon, not long before the murders and no one's been able to

01:00:26.480 find the actual knife.

01:00:27.320 That's bad, but he could also allege somebody stole the knife, like all the things, but the

01:00:32.180 knife is their best evidence that plus the D what I said about the, you know, what they found him

01:00:36.340 doing when they burst in the car, the car, they don't have a picture of him driving at Viva.

01:00:42.340 That's one of the biggest problems.

01:00:43.740 They just have a white Hyundai Elantra that they think, and they kind of changed the dates on it.

01:00:49.700 Once they realized Kohlberger was probably their man is a 2015 Hyundai Elantra, though

01:00:53.900 earlier they said they thought it was an earlier version of the car.

01:00:58.700 Um, Megan, not to get totally blackpilled on this, but remember it like, you know,

01:01:03.820 if the evidence is so, and I don't want to play devil's advocate for the sake of playing

01:01:07.120 devil's advocate.

01:01:07.760 I just now know what has happened in the past with the OJ Simpson trial in as much as I thought

01:01:13.420 OJ was guilty.

01:01:14.860 Uh, it did occur that they were actually planting evidence.

01:01:17.360 Maybe it was to satisfy the public concern that we need to get somebody if he's guilty

01:01:21.780 as hell, but we need to make sure that he gets convicted in this case.

01:01:24.480 How did his DNA get there?

01:01:26.960 Cops have done worse things in the past.

01:01:28.680 And that's not to say this guy's innocent.

01:01:30.420 It's just to say, I have gotten to the point in my life where I approach all evidence with

01:01:34.700 a great degree of skepticism and true.

01:01:37.860 It's a 2015 Elantra.

01:01:38.780 I don't think there's going to be GPS in the car.

01:01:40.280 Or if it turns out, yeah, I went driving and I turned my phone off and didn't take it with

01:01:43.740 me.

01:01:44.020 Well, then I'll be a lot more skeptical of the defense because anybody who goes driving

01:01:47.140 at night and doesn't bring their phone, that's that's even more suspicious than that weak

01:01:51.140 alibi on his face.

01:01:52.900 Well, even if you take it with him, he clearly turned it off.

01:01:55.140 So why did he turn it like that's also very suspicious?

01:01:57.420 It was on all the time and turning it off in the middle of the night like the wee hours.

01:02:02.460 But then it came back on after the murders is very suspicious, Peter, and they're going

01:02:07.200 to be able to prove that that was not consistent with his normal patterns, you know, that, oh,

01:02:12.980 it just happened to turn off for the four hours that, you know, he was under suspicion.

01:02:18.000 Yeah, well, we'll see what they can prove, right?

01:02:19.240 And we'll see about the patterns of turning on and off the phone and when he's in the car

01:02:22.360 and can they match it up.

01:02:23.600 But I also think as far as planting the touch DNA, I don't think the timeline really works

01:02:27.460 out for that.

01:02:28.440 I don't know that they had Cobra in their sights when they had that touch DNA.

01:02:31.440 Um, until it matched up.

01:02:33.480 But again, we'll see what's turned over.

01:02:35.140 There's discovery disputes right now, um, dealing with a lot of that DNA evidence and

01:02:38.940 how they got where they ended up.

01:02:40.640 But I definitely think there are some potential leaps made in the case.

01:02:44.820 And Viva's right when he says there was a lot of pressure, not just by the public, not

01:02:48.680 just by the media, the victim's families hired attorneys to put additional pressure on

01:02:52.480 law enforcement.

01:02:53.260 They've had a strained relationship throughout the entire case.

01:02:55.980 So I definitely think there's a lot of pressure from the outside in this case to get a guy

01:03:00.500 and get him convicted.

01:03:01.620 And they very well might have the right guy.

01:03:03.500 Um, but that still remains to be seen and proven in court.

01:03:06.840 Well, you're raising a good point because I was kind of tantalized by the, you know, the

01:03:10.860 cops planted it place that she, that, you know, Ann Taylor could go.

01:03:14.780 But there's going to be a testimonial, I'm sure, from the cop who found the knife sheath that

01:03:19.760 he found it that night.

01:03:20.760 And there will be other witnesses who were there who participated in the bagging of the

01:03:23.760 evidence before they knew anything about Brian Kohlberg.

01:03:26.760 They didn't even know when, according to what we've read, the 911 call just said one of the

01:03:30.980 roommates is unconscious.

01:03:32.680 They showed up there not knowing they were going to walk into a quadruple murder scene.

01:03:36.980 So, yeah, good luck with that.

01:03:39.240 But especially because it's a death penalty case now that they've said that they may seek

01:03:43.960 the death penalty, the standard is kind of going to be a little higher.

01:03:49.180 Viva, you know, it's like.

01:03:51.020 I don't know.

01:03:51.740 I mean, I agree.

01:03:52.660 This is if you're going to have the death penalty, this will be the kind of case where

01:03:54.820 you'd go for it.

01:03:55.440 But I worry that the jury is going to be like, all right, now it's now you're saying you're

01:04:00.860 going to kill the guy.

01:04:01.540 If we convict him, I want CSI type evidence on everything.

01:04:06.820 I want the knife video surveillance, something something concrete that is not relying on

01:04:12.860 science, which is usually good, but not always good suppositions.

01:04:17.260 I turn my phone off, although I always thought that even when you turn your phone off, it

01:04:21.400 still emits a ping for like the find my phone type thing.

01:04:24.920 So I do wonder whether or not there would even be any evidence to be proven or disproven

01:04:29.140 as far as guilt goes, even if he did turn his phone off.

01:04:32.520 But you just have to let you set the letter play out the and you have to nonetheless and

01:04:36.960 you have to resist coming to those not rash conclusions, but presumption of innocence

01:04:42.440 not to defend the guilty, but to preserve the process and ensure that cops, you know,

01:04:47.520 don't don't get a little too not hasty, but rather cut corners or do things to find a

01:04:53.080 guilty man to quell public concern because this was a case which if they didn't have someone

01:04:56.660 behind bars, the neighborhood would still be living in terror.

01:05:00.160 Mm hmm.

01:05:00.940 All right.

01:05:01.640 One more sort of harder news item before we get to some of the celebrities who are all

01:05:07.040 over the legal world right now.

01:05:08.180 And that's Derek Chauvin.

01:05:09.620 Derek Chauvin, of course, convicted in the case of state of Minnesota versus Derek Michael

01:05:14.560 Chauvin in the the death of George Floyd.

01:05:17.420 So he is now he was found guilty in April of twenty twenty one of three charges, including

01:05:25.780 second degree unintentional murder, third degree murder and second degree manslaughter.

01:05:31.920 And now he is trying to appeal up to the U.S.

01:05:35.660 Supreme Court to say that his trial was not fair, that it should not have taken place in

01:05:43.980 Minnesota, where there was, you know, so much attention and news coverage and so on.

01:05:49.860 And that let's see, he he'll say it was held during a time of political upheaval.

01:05:55.140 The jury was tainted by the likelihood of even more violent riots if Chauvin had been acquitted,

01:06:02.300 pointing out this criminal trial generated the most amount of pretrial publicity in history,

01:06:06.500 says his lawyer.

01:06:08.040 I mean, it's an interesting argument that it should not have been held in Minneapolis.

01:06:12.700 Oh, my God. I mean, it's it's it's I tend to agree.

01:06:17.000 I'm not sure he's going to get a reversal on it.

01:06:18.920 Go ahead. It's a no it's a no brainer and guilty or innocent.

01:06:22.360 He's right. I mean, I and full disclosure, I started off thinking Chauvin was guilty of sin.

01:06:28.600 I watched the entire trial, followed it closely, followed the evidence.

01:06:32.300 And I came to the conclusion at the end that as far as I was concerned, there was enough

01:06:36.460 reasonable doubt that was raised to justify an acquittal.

01:06:39.200 And that being said, we were in an environment where that jury was never going to acquit him

01:06:44.160 hell or high water. You had expert witnesses waking up with severed pig heads at their former

01:06:48.920 residence. You had a world in which houses were burnt, buildings were burnt.

01:06:54.400 Violence was committed in the name of social justice, George Floyd death.

01:06:58.240 There was no way that jury was going to acquit knowing the risk that it would put them under.

01:07:04.080 If they did so acquit, they would be identified.

01:07:05.760 They would be doxed. They would be harassed much in the same way.

01:07:08.320 I don't know if you were following the Andy no trial.

01:07:10.580 You were never going to get you were never going to get a fair outcome where you literally

01:07:15.360 have a jury being intimidated, if not by the defense counsel, at least by the the circumstances

01:07:22.660 as a whole. Chauvin is right.

01:07:24.320 Even if he succeeds on the appeal, he's still going to jail for years for his tax issues.

01:07:27.960 But that should have been a venue should have been changed.

01:07:30.900 There was no way Chauvin was going to get a fair trial in.

01:07:33.180 Um, well, now I'm going to forget exactly where it was, but there was no way he was

01:07:36.780 going to get a fair trial there.

01:07:38.040 And, um, and anybody who watched it knows that he didn't get a fair trial.

01:07:42.120 Yeah. I mean, is he wrong, Peter?

01:07:44.900 I just, the only pushback I would say is change of venue is not something they just do flippantly

01:07:48.700 in cases like this.

01:07:50.020 Um, it has to be a big deal.

01:07:51.560 It has to be a big reason why, and they have to have a different venue that they think

01:07:54.700 would be more fair.

01:07:55.440 And I think that's the big question in this case is how much more fair would a city an

01:07:59.920 hour away have been, or a different County in the same state or anywhere in the state.

01:08:03.600 And then if you think the whole state's unfair, where are they going to take it to rural Iowa,

01:08:07.300 where maybe less people have computers and access to the internet.

01:08:10.720 I think this case in the, the interesting factor about this case is it was so nationwide

01:08:16.000 and it was, I mean, there was a lot of pressure, more pressure than potentially any case.

01:08:20.640 I agree with him there.

01:08:21.440 I just think it was going to be hard and especially if you're going to say the political climate

01:08:25.700 generally.

01:08:27.060 So when would we delay this case to, because, you know, justice delayed is not justice at

01:08:31.660 all.

01:08:31.920 And I think that there is a lot of element to that where I think Megan's point was probably

01:08:36.560 correct that I do agree that this was probably not the best venue for this case, but it's

01:08:40.480 probably not going to be enough to overturn it based on the fact that it's a really high

01:08:45.100 bar.

01:08:45.500 And I think it would have been really difficult to find a fair, I should say a venue that didn't

01:08:50.320 have an opinion on this case.

01:08:52.180 Fair enough.

01:08:52.880 I mean, the argument would have been, you could have gotten, held it outside of a big

01:08:57.320 city and in a different, a more rural jurisdiction or venue.

01:09:00.820 I don't know if that's the right word, had peers coming from outside cities where for, you

01:09:06.980 know, agree or disagree, mobs are less likely to come down on people in smaller towns where

01:09:12.980 people know each other, where they are much more sensitive to suspicious behavior, where

01:09:16.780 you can't really live under the anonymity of slashing ties in the middle of the night and

01:09:20.140 then running off, also living under the fear of if you approach a house, chances are that

01:09:25.360 person in the house is going to be defending themselves.

01:09:27.400 So there is a much, I'd say a stronger argument for less jury intimidation.

01:09:32.700 Also, maybe less political bias, less political influence already.

01:09:37.780 It might not have changed the outcome because, Peter, like you say, it's such a hot topic.

01:09:42.260 I mean, if that if he got acquitted, they saw what happened after after George Floyd's

01:09:46.680 death.

01:09:46.960 Imagine what would have happened after the acquittal of the man everybody says killed

01:09:49.840 him.

01:09:50.080 I know, but at least he would have had a more fair shot.

01:09:53.220 I mean, that that's the reason, Peter.

01:09:55.800 I don't think the Supreme Court is going to come, you know, within when they're going to

01:09:59.640 touch this with a 10 foot pole that that, you know, let's just go back and look at what

01:10:03.640 John Roberts did on Obamacare.

01:10:05.540 Right.

01:10:05.780 He found the tax clause to save it because he didn't want the court to seem like an activist

01:10:10.360 court.

01:10:11.060 They would never they're not going to want to get involved in George Floyd, Derek Chauvin.

01:10:16.420 It's so if they deny the overwhelming majority of cases or in which people see certiorari.

01:10:23.360 So nobody's even going to flutter an eyelash if they deny this one.

01:10:26.920 I mean, the odds of them getting cert at the court are astronomically against them.

01:10:32.360 And it would create so many problems, right?

01:10:35.320 Is that the new rule now?

01:10:37.200 If you feel it's unfair in your city, you can go to Iowa or somewhere else.

01:10:40.400 Is that really a jury of your peers?

01:10:42.220 Is that going to be people that have anything arguing right now?

01:10:44.880 Trump's arguing this right now.

01:10:46.140 Right.

01:10:47.080 It's like, sure.

01:10:47.760 Yeah.

01:10:48.220 And I think it's going to come.

01:10:49.640 It's going to come.

01:10:50.400 Where do we find you just get to pick from wherever in the United States for jurors that

01:10:54.140 the criminal defendant think is fair?

01:10:55.620 Because there is an element of unfairness to that.

01:10:58.160 Somebody who practices on that side as well.

01:11:00.540 It's just you can't pick and choose your jurisdiction like that.

01:11:04.300 It's supposed to be the most fair jurisdiction that's reasonable and the people that are involved,

01:11:08.960 right?

01:11:09.140 Because they have rights to it's their community that was affected.

01:11:12.260 And it's the peers of where this criminal defendant lived and work and what society believes in

01:11:18.420 a reasonable person there is like that's the jury.

01:11:21.420 That's the fair and impartial jury you're trying to find, not someone with a specific

01:11:26.220 political affiliation or race or gender or religion or national origin or whatever.

01:11:30.940 That's not what you're looking for.

01:11:32.080 You're looking for a fair and unbiased jury of their peers in the jurisdiction where the

01:11:36.520 crime occurred for the most part.

01:11:38.400 I'm going to take the long shot prediction here, Megan, Peter.

01:11:41.180 I'm going to say there is a higher chance that they might take this case on to the Supreme

01:11:46.020 Court to set some precedent on the substance of the issue because Chauvin's going to jail

01:11:52.320 one way or the other.

01:11:53.140 He's staying in jail for a long time.

01:11:54.540 So it's not like they're going to be releasing him to the streets and it's going to be a massive

01:11:57.360 injustice.

01:11:58.180 They can sort of temper it by saying, well, he's going to be in jail for years on the tax

01:12:02.020 issues, regardless on all the other issues, and yet we can still preserve a certain element

01:12:06.420 of the legal, the justice system here.

01:12:09.520 It's true.

01:12:10.040 Can you just refresh my memory on Derek Chauvin's tax problems?

01:12:13.760 I must have missed that.

01:12:15.760 No, I have to go back and refresh my own memory.

01:12:17.740 He's going to jail on tax issues and that goes to totally secondary issues where there

01:12:23.120 was some tax fraud.

01:12:23.920 I have to refresh my memory on that as well.

01:12:25.780 But the whole issue.

01:12:26.940 How many crimes did he commit?

01:12:28.580 Oh, well, he committed.

01:12:29.480 He allegedly now convicted, committed a few.

01:12:32.520 So he's going to go to jail.

01:12:33.440 He pleaded guilty to two tax evasion counts, say my smart producer.

01:12:36.600 Well, that's it.

01:12:37.020 I have to.

01:12:37.400 I should have.

01:12:37.800 I should have refreshed my memory beforehand.

01:12:39.140 And he's going to go to jail on that.

01:12:40.260 So they could hear some of the touchier legal issues so that you don't get bad precedent,

01:12:45.800 bad precedent set just because it's a bad individual.

01:12:48.920 Because you are taking the long shot on that.

01:12:50.680 That does not seem likely to me, but we'll find out.

01:12:53.940 Not for nothing.

01:12:54.440 But the other cop, one of the other cops, the guy who restrained the body.

01:12:58.280 Bystanders.

01:12:59.440 Bystanders in this case, he just got the like more than the sentence that the prosecution

01:13:03.440 recommended.

01:13:04.560 Tao Tao.

01:13:05.540 He's been sentenced to four years, nine months in prison for his role in restraining bystanders.

01:13:11.240 That's what he did.

01:13:12.460 So he's going to prison for almost five years for what he described as serving as a, quote,

01:13:18.400 human traffic cone.

01:13:20.800 They it's very clear that they in Minnesota are raining down the maximum punishments on

01:13:26.980 all these cops who are anywhere near George Floyd.

01:13:29.860 And we'll see whether the Supreme Court wants to come anywhere near this.

01:13:33.540 All right.

01:13:33.660 We've got news on this crazy lawsuit against Lizzo.

01:13:38.840 It's getting like they're coming out of the woodwork now saying she did actually did why

01:13:43.340 and we'll tell you what exactly they're saying.

01:13:45.240 And then we'll get into the fact that Leah Remini and Scientology.

01:13:50.240 It's on.

01:13:51.500 It's on big time in the courts.

01:13:53.280 We'll take that on.

01:13:56.520 You are not going to believe this, but this is breaking news.

01:14:00.540 Citing here, the New York Post, which I think is relying on reporting from Reuters.

01:14:04.120 You know, Trump may be indicted today.

01:14:08.240 They think tomorrow in Atlanta, that would be number four.

01:14:11.380 This Fannie Willis out to get him already.

01:14:13.480 He's been charged with January six charges.

01:14:15.180 These will be more of them.

01:14:16.160 But out of Atlanta or a Democrat prosecutor.

01:14:18.920 Well, the headline is, quote, Georgia court website posts, comma, removes docket of potential

01:14:27.480 Trump charges in 2020 election probe.

01:14:30.700 Atlanta prosecutors appeared Monday to inadvertently reveal the offenses with which they plan to

01:14:36.820 charge former President Donald Trump in connection with his bid to overturn the 2020 election

01:14:40.840 result in Georgia.

01:14:41.520 A two page docket briefly posted and then was removed from the Fulton County, Georgia's

01:14:47.340 court website showing Mr. Trump facing three charges.

01:14:51.980 It looks like are facing charges, including racketeering, conspiracy and false statements,

01:14:57.740 citing Reuters.

01:14:58.620 A grand jury convened by the D.A.

01:15:01.040 Fannie Willis is scheduled to hear testimony Monday and Tuesday with an announcement on

01:15:04.160 charges against Trump and his allies expected soon after.

01:15:09.020 Yeah, so that's a little bit more.

01:15:11.340 The two page document cites the violation of the Georgia RICO.

01:15:14.880 That's it's basically the racketeering.

01:15:17.320 It's what they use to charge mobsters act.

01:15:20.940 Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer, conspiracy to commit false statements

01:15:25.780 and writings and conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree, among other charges listed.

01:15:29.880 So multiple charges.

01:15:30.600 Viva, let me just get your reaction.

01:15:31.740 This is unbelievable.

01:15:33.240 Like what?

01:15:33.920 What kind of like there's nothing that's been handed down.

01:15:36.780 As far as we know from the grand jury is they post something, then they pull it on one of,

01:15:40.680 if not the most important state case in the country right now.

01:15:44.880 Make it.

01:15:45.420 It's corruption to the core.

01:15:47.660 It is an abuse of the process.

01:15:49.400 It is what will cause people to have absolutely no faith in the legal judicial process for decades

01:15:56.300 to come.

01:15:57.020 It's become a joke.

01:15:58.200 And the idiot talking head blue checkmark fools on Twitter who are now thinking that

01:16:03.460 somehow magically this fourth indictment, however many, however many charges he's up to,

01:16:07.380 what is it, 78, whatever.

01:16:08.720 They think that's somehow evidence of his wrongdoing and not evidence of a system gone totally crazy

01:16:14.940 in an attempt to try to punish Trump for, you know, being public enemy number one.

01:16:21.940 It's just more of the same.

01:16:23.020 First of all, they gag Trump, by the way, you know, the judge.

01:16:25.660 And I forget now which one is.

01:16:26.680 I think it's in D.C.

01:16:28.460 In D.C.

01:16:29.320 It's in D.C.

01:16:30.160 They gag Trump while they continue to unlawfully leak stuff publicly to the press, whatever.

01:16:36.100 But it's become a sick, I'll say a Soviet joke that while the administration here condemns

01:16:44.020 Putin for being an autocrat, totalitarian ruler, they are turning the legal system here

01:16:50.480 into a Soviet style sick joke.

01:16:53.100 And my only hope is that people are finally waking up to realize that the more indictments

01:16:56.500 that come down doesn't make Trump guiltier.

01:16:58.240 It means that the system is perhaps irreparably broken, but people need to start understanding

01:17:03.440 it in order to start remedying it.

01:17:04.760 Yeah, and I mean, like, what is this?

01:17:06.940 So like, this is how sloppy they are.

01:17:08.680 This is just disgustingly sloppy, if not politically motivated to just get the news cycle going on.

01:17:12.900 I have no idea what actually happened there, but we both know he's going to be indicted

01:17:16.180 by this Danny Willis.

01:17:17.880 He's already been charged.

01:17:18.880 He's already been charged on Jan 6th.

01:17:21.580 He's already been acquitted.

01:17:23.040 He's already been acquitted in the second edition.

01:17:24.940 Now they want to go indict him on something he was acquitted for by the Senate.

01:17:28.980 They've lost their ever loving minds and there has to be some political blowback for it.

01:17:33.340 Hopefully that comes in the 2024 election where this gets all resolved by Trump getting

01:17:37.600 reelected, elected again.

01:17:38.980 You're right about the protective order.

01:17:40.140 I mean, that that that really burned my bridges, too, because britches, I guess, because he

01:17:45.480 was tweeting, you know, you come for me, I'll come for you, which is a benign statement.

01:17:48.980 It could mean politically it could mean in the context of a litigation, but that's certainly

01:17:53.840 not the context he put on it.

01:17:55.380 In any event, they expect him to sit back and not do anything as his political opponents

01:18:00.520 like Mike Pence are saying things about him.

01:18:03.280 What that's the problem when you have a political indict indictment charging the likely Republican

01:18:07.800 nominee.

01:18:08.720 It's all political and you cannot have this leaky Department of Justice and say to the defendant,

01:18:14.820 you you can't say anything.

01:18:16.600 So he managed to get that protective order limited to he's not allowed to link sensitive

01:18:21.860 materials that were disclosed in Discovery, but they're going to try to punish him.

01:18:25.400 You know, the DOJ is going to be in there trying to punish him time and time again, trying

01:18:28.960 to get him to stop tweeting.

01:18:30.380 Meanwhile, Mike Pence and all the other witnesses against him, not to mention the DOJ, which

01:18:33.440 leaks every other day to The Washington Post and The New York Times, can do what they

01:18:36.280 want.

01:18:38.100 Ag order on sensitive material.

01:18:39.760 All that that means is they're going to qualify.

01:18:41.340 Everything is sensitive.

01:18:42.160 And now, you know, I put two and two together in my in my trajectory of getting blackpilled in

01:18:47.540 2020, they tried to impede Trump from campaigning because of covid go protest BLM all you wanted.

01:18:54.420 But Trump couldn't hold a political campaign, so they wanted to cripple him and handicap his

01:18:58.000 ability to go campaigning in 2020 because of covid.

01:19:02.020 And now they're using this weaponized persecution to prevent him from successfully, effectively

01:19:06.720 campaigning in 2024.

01:19:08.420 It's not a bug.

01:19:09.380 It's a feature of what they're doing.

01:19:10.680 But what do you make of this, Peter, this this report now that the court website in Georgia

01:19:16.220 posted and then took down a list of the charges that Trump is about to be indicted on?

01:19:23.340 I don't know if that tells us the grand jury has, in fact, approved the indictment, you know,

01:19:28.300 voted in favor of the indictment, because how else would the court clerk have a list of

01:19:32.380 the I just counted what I think five charges that he's facing and then they took it down?

01:19:37.980 Yeah, I think it's really interesting just in how the media is going to report on this

01:19:43.260 case, similar to Koberger and in all the high profile cases right now that have so much

01:19:48.060 media attention.

01:19:49.440 Is it being handled appropriately and is it a situation where they're going to be fair

01:19:55.000 in how they report?

01:19:57.300 I think we know the answer to that.

01:19:59.040 All right.

01:19:59.280 I do want to get to this other that, you know, this is we'll continue to follow what's happening

01:20:02.420 in Georgia because I'm sure it's going to dominate the show tomorrow, maybe the next day.

01:20:05.780 We'll see.

01:20:06.160 But in the meantime, there's this bizarre lawsuit against Lizzo.

01:20:09.460 Now, I confess when I first saw this, guys, I was like, well, she's very famous.

01:20:13.380 She's probably very rich and that makes her a target.

01:20:16.840 So I don't necessarily believe the three dancers who came forward to say she created a hostile

01:20:20.700 work environment because I'm going to be honest at the first their allegations sounded

01:20:24.960 like weak sauce to me.

01:20:26.120 I mean, the one is like I had this feeling that she was upset about me gaining weight.

01:20:30.700 I had this feeling.

01:20:31.860 In fact, I'll play that soundbite for you.

01:20:33.740 It's not twenty two.

01:20:36.160 I just had this feeling that they had a problem with the way I was gaining weight.

01:20:41.440 She proceeded to say, you know, dancers get fired for gaining weight.

01:20:45.380 You should basically be grateful to be here.

01:20:47.660 So, OK, hey, that's true.

01:20:54.500 The fact that Lizzo is morbidly obese doesn't change that reality for dancers who are in the

01:20:59.580 professional industry.

01:21:00.840 I don't think that's hostile work environment.

01:21:02.700 But now, since these three filed the lawsuit claiming Lizzo created a hostile work environment,

01:21:08.660 more and more people are coming forward.

01:21:10.560 It's like something like six, six more who have come forward to say, no, she's a bully.

01:21:15.640 She's nasty.

01:21:16.600 She it is a hostile work environment.

01:21:17.980 And not just that, but the current strain.

01:21:19.780 These are allegations which she's denying.

01:21:21.180 The current strain is basically saying that she is really inappropriate sexually, Peter,

01:21:27.960 that she's like she can't stop talking about sex and sexual body parts and like something

01:21:34.780 having to do with going to Amsterdam and doing something with a banana out of one's, you know,

01:21:41.080 lady parts that should not be done and her making a dance or touch the banana or touch the I'm not

01:21:47.140 sure exactly, but something X rated, not even R. And that indeed could be a hostile work environment.

01:21:54.280 Yeah, there's there's a lot of banana talk, a lot of different Amsterdam bar talk.

01:21:59.500 And I think one of the big questions is.

01:22:02.240 What is work and what is not?

01:22:04.540 What is required?

01:22:05.540 What is the scope of work?

01:22:07.000 What is she making business decisions on?

01:22:09.000 What are their positive or negative employment actions based on?

01:22:13.760 And can they center it around the claims and charges that they've made?

01:22:17.060 But in any situation like this, the more former employees that come forward and have the same

01:22:22.260 allegations, the worse it is for Lizzie.

01:22:25.660 The one gal is saying that they that she made she made them go to this performance in Amsterdam

01:22:36.260 with the bananas.

01:22:37.280 I guess people eat the bananas out of places that were not meant to have bananas and that

01:22:43.560 that this that that Lizzo basically made her this backup dancer, Ariana Davis, interact with

01:22:50.060 the dancer.

01:22:50.840 Here's the soundbite 23.

01:22:53.320 I briefly touched the performer.

01:22:55.380 I was very mortified.

01:22:57.520 Everyone burst in the laughter.

01:22:58.940 Did not ask for it.

01:22:59.960 Um, I said no multiple times.

01:23:04.160 And then the one more one other soundbite, Lizzo is apparently on camera from earlier prior

01:23:10.520 to their alleged trip to Amsterdam, doing this to the backup dancer, saying how badly she

01:23:14.620 wanted to go to the banana bar and listen to this classy lady talk about her desires.

01:23:18.800 This is Lizzo herself.

01:23:19.740 Twenty four.

01:23:20.020 I'm trying to go to the show where you eat the banana out the pussy.

01:23:22.760 Which one is that?

01:23:24.420 This is a banana bar.

01:23:26.320 That's the banana bar?

01:23:27.380 Yeah, you were.

01:23:27.780 And they have the banana in the in the coochie?

01:23:29.920 And ping pong balls.

01:23:30.720 And you have to go.

01:23:31.900 Yes.

01:23:32.680 And that's what I want to do.

01:23:33.460 Then you have to eat it.

01:23:34.280 I need my potassium, if you know what I'm saying.

01:23:37.380 My poos potassium.

01:23:38.860 I'm such a role model.

01:23:42.360 I threw up in my mouth a little bit as we were listening to that.

01:23:45.220 If it looked like I was laughing earlier, this is the stuff of nightmares.

01:23:48.940 OK, like like the idea of first of all, I don't know who puts a banana there in the first

01:23:53.020 place, because that could lead to infection unless my mother lied to me growing up and

01:23:57.100 who it's true.

01:23:58.540 It's but then the other one catching the projectile dildos is that we're being launched

01:24:03.900 from cavities.

01:24:05.500 It's the stuff of nightmares.

01:24:06.960 I mean, literally, especially from a germaphobe, that's the stuff of nightmares.

01:24:10.440 The only question here, and it's going to be the one that some people are going to ask

01:24:13.880 and the judgment that some people are going to come to work for a degenerate and expect

01:24:18.420 degenerate work conditions or expect to have to descend into debauchery if you're working

01:24:24.780 for Lizzo.

01:24:25.860 And, you know, some people raise the same argument with I think wrongly with with Weinstein.

01:24:30.760 You know, if you want to work with someone who, you know, does certain things and

01:24:33.500 certain things happen, well, you know, you'll be a little bit harder to place the blame

01:24:38.060 on the devil.

01:24:38.820 You know, you're working with under the conditions that, you know, that he or she imposes.

01:24:42.760 Lizzo is a is a I say this non-judgmentally is a degenerate.

01:24:46.140 It's clear from the lyrics.

01:24:47.180 It's clear from the lifestyle.

01:24:48.560 Anybody wants to go work for Lizzo.

01:24:50.160 The question is going to be, you know, you either go out and fraternize with degenerates

01:24:55.040 in the red light district of Amsterdam or you don't and you get on the outs and you

01:24:59.260 go find another job and maybe go work for, I don't know, a country singer and not a hip

01:25:04.360 hop singer who it's a good point.

01:25:08.160 What about that, Peter?

01:25:09.300 It's not like they thought they were working for Margaret Thatcher.

01:25:11.600 OK, like one of the big issues.

01:25:15.320 Yeah.

01:25:15.740 One of the big issues is some of the interviews they did after this and how they still loved

01:25:19.660 it.

01:25:19.820 They wanted to work for her.

01:25:21.320 It was a great work environment.

01:25:22.900 They appreciated her.

01:25:23.920 She's, you know, the best and all of that's going to be evidence.

01:25:27.340 That's going to come in evidence as the plaintiff's own statements about the working conditions

01:25:31.960 after these events happened at the bar.

01:25:35.260 So I think that's a big part of this case as well.

01:25:37.760 You mentioned it off the top, Megan, about are they opportunists or is this a legitimate,

01:25:41.760 unsafe and terrible work environment for them?

01:25:44.880 They're basically saying that the ones like I quit because I was indignant over the way she

01:25:50.640 was treating others and the other two who are suing, I think, were fired by Lizzo or

01:25:56.240 got forced out.

01:25:57.460 And so she's going to argue sour grapes on at least those two.

01:26:01.520 You know, I got rid of you and then suddenly, you know, you're all mad at me and you're

01:26:04.840 claiming.

01:26:05.600 But but they're now they're the other caveat I have on the on the allegations.

01:26:10.420 Viva is I don't know if you saw this, but it's now it's turned into a racial thing.

01:26:15.080 The plaintiffs, I think, are black.

01:26:18.380 And yet what they're saying is, hold on, I pulled it.

01:26:23.680 Lizzo's team, which the suit claims consisted entirely of white Europeans, allegedly accused

01:26:31.400 the black members of the dance team of being lazy, unprofessional and having bad attitudes.

01:26:36.620 You see, and what this woman Williams, she's one of the plaintiffs, alleges, is that Lizzo

01:26:42.260 was, quote, enabling and enforcing a racist system by letting her entirely white management

01:26:49.460 team have the deciding factor, quoting here, on how we were handled.

01:26:54.960 She was always siding with them.

01:26:57.600 So it's one of those things where, quote, the oppressed then becomes the oppressor where

01:27:02.880 whenever they get the power to do so.

01:27:05.280 I mean, could you really you should have stopped at the banana stuff.

01:27:08.580 Well, no, I think the the other allegations about the hostile, toxic work environment

01:27:13.260 actually might be better evidence than the nasty after party in Amsterdam, where some

01:27:18.980 people could rightly come to the conclusion if you didn't want to do it, just stay in

01:27:22.520 your hotel.

01:27:23.340 And if you think you're going to get fired for that, OK, but don't go and then do it and

01:27:27.180 then say, I regret having done it.

01:27:28.280 And I feel humiliated.

01:27:29.940 The rest is true.

01:27:30.740 Can I just say one second on that?

01:27:32.260 That is such a good point.

01:27:33.380 It's not like she took them to like La Caja Fall or like Moulin Rouge, where you expect

01:27:40.600 it to be a little racy, but you're like you don't expect bananas out of the coochie, as

01:27:44.860 Lizzo so eloquently put it.

01:27:46.640 But like, yeah, you go to a place in the red light district of Amsterdam where they're known

01:27:50.580 for doing this partner, you know, questions about whether you're really shocked and horrified

01:27:55.340 about what's what happens there.

01:27:56.940 Megan, I once by my own naivety ended up in Amsterdam and I was staying at a hostel called

01:28:02.900 The Flying Pig.

01:28:04.020 It was in the red light district.

01:28:05.640 I left.

01:28:06.260 I mean, I went back home a day, a day after it was like, I got nothing.

01:28:10.680 I don't do drugs and I'm not going to see any of this.

01:28:12.700 So you get down there and you partake in the festivities.

01:28:15.760 You go to the banana bar.

01:28:17.920 OK, we can set that aside.

01:28:19.760 It's disgusting.

01:28:20.400 It's degenerate.

01:28:20.900 But, you know, people are into that.

01:28:22.140 Good for them if they're adults and consenting.

01:28:23.540 The rest of the toxic work environment, I think, has almost a stronger argument where it

01:28:28.560 sounds very much like a whiplash, the movie type environment where

01:28:32.340 they are being a mystery.

01:28:34.200 They are being abused.

01:28:35.360 They are being sort of berated.

01:28:37.000 They're being, you know, and they're going to say, well, it's a tough work environment.

01:28:39.700 If you don't want it, don't come.

01:28:41.140 That argument will always be there.

01:28:42.200 But in terms of the psychological harassment, the mocking, the public berating, I don't

01:28:48.800 care who you are.

01:28:49.640 You're going to be governed by certain laws of employment.

01:28:52.020 And I, you know, I'm not prejudging this case from the allegations.

01:28:56.340 It really sounds like Lizzo and team have run afoul of standard.

01:29:01.880 Yeah, it sounds like she's a she's a mean bully.

01:29:04.620 I mean, the irony of Lizzo cracking down on the dancers because of their weight is readily

01:29:08.160 apparent to anybody paying attention, please.

01:29:10.920 OK, so let me shift gears and talk about Scientology and Leah Remini for a minute, because she's

01:29:16.740 now finally, after years of complaining about Scientology, filed a lawsuit against them

01:29:23.160 claiming they use, quote, mob style tactics to harass and defame her.

01:29:28.960 It's been filed in Superior Court in Los Angeles County.

01:29:31.100 So state court there, she lists the church, their, quote, religious technology center as

01:29:36.480 defendants, along with David Miscavige, who is sort of the heir to the L. Ron Hubbard, who

01:29:41.780 started the Church of Scientology, saying for 17 years, Scientology Miscavige have subjected

01:29:46.640 me to what I believe to be psychological torture, defamation, surveillance, harassment and

01:29:50.140 intimidation, significantly impacting my life and career.

01:29:54.740 I believe I'm not the first person to have gone through this.

01:29:57.860 They call her lawsuit absolutely ludicrous and say that she's been attacking them for

01:30:04.400 10 years or plus since she left the church and they have every right to defend themselves,

01:30:08.900 Peter, by saying she's no good.

01:30:11.220 So what do you make of it?

01:30:12.780 Yeah, absolutely.

01:30:13.460 And I happen to be here in Clearwater.

01:30:14.940 That's where my law firm is, at least the main office.

01:30:17.200 So I have some experience with Scientology and they have a lot of money, a lot of power,

01:30:22.240 a lot of influence, a lot of lawyers.

01:30:24.720 And this is going to be a heavily litigated case.

01:30:27.140 This is one I do not expect to go away quickly or quietly.

01:30:31.640 Leah Remini has a legitimate bone to pick with them if she feels she's abused by the

01:30:35.960 religion that is set up that is Scientology.

01:30:38.140 But they will not go quietly and they go after people personally when something like this

01:30:42.880 comes up.

01:30:43.320 So I think it is it's going to get dirty in the media.

01:30:45.980 And this is going to be a case that I think is gonna be a tough one to follow, but maybe

01:30:49.720 one that people need to see.

01:30:50.680 So, Viva, here's a soundbite of Leah back in 2016.

01:30:56.160 Okay, that's seven years ago.

01:30:57.080 We could go back further.

01:30:58.480 Talking about Scientology and her views on it.

01:31:01.680 Here it is.

01:31:02.060 If you speak out, you're labeled an enemy to the church and the church has policies on

01:31:06.480 how to deal with its enemies and they go after them.

01:31:09.580 It's in their own policies.

01:31:11.760 And so they don't know any different as I did when I was in the church.

01:31:16.000 So I understand it.

01:31:16.940 I have compassion for it because you do become a person who's very hateful and you're very

01:31:24.680 judgmental towards anyone who isn't a Scientologist and a critic of Scientology is dealt with in

01:31:31.240 a very specific way.

01:31:33.100 And that is unlike a real church.

01:31:37.080 So she's been saying she was raised in the church and she's alleged that she was subjected

01:31:43.920 to all sorts of abuse while she was there.

01:31:45.680 Scientology has denied it.

01:31:47.500 But she's trying to say it is different.

01:31:50.360 Like what they're doing is actual harassment that wouldn't be allowed by a private citizen,

01:31:54.600 never mind a tax exempt, quote unquote, church.

01:31:59.880 I am new to having discovered Scientology and it's only through recent lawsuits and recent

01:32:06.920 litigations and recent accusations.

01:32:08.520 I know what I've always heard in the media and I know what I've always read in the news

01:32:14.080 and it seems to be more along the lines of what Leah is explaining and a big, powerful

01:32:19.800 institution that goes after its critics or its refugees hard, remorselessly, whether or

01:32:27.160 not the argument is always going to be to preserve their own reputation or to enforce their own

01:32:31.140 rules.

01:32:31.480 I know where I land in terms of lending credibility to the accusations in light of the reputation.

01:32:39.480 But above and beyond that, I mean, like, what do I know of Scientology?

01:32:42.520 I'm from Montreal and I don't think I've ever met a Scientologist.

01:32:45.200 Well, I mean, we've done a lot.

01:32:46.280 We've done a ton of stories on this.

01:32:47.800 And we had Mike Rinder, who was he co-hosted her show, her reality show, which was on for

01:32:52.400 three years.

01:32:53.780 He's an sort of expat from Scientology as well.

01:32:55.960 And he was he was high up in in the church in Sea Org, their sort of governing organization.

01:33:00.860 And he said this to us about the things.

01:33:03.760 This is just back in September of 2022 that they had allegedly done to him after he left

01:33:09.060 and became a critic, which, you know, we should talk about whether this is even legal.

01:33:12.560 Listen.

01:33:14.700 The garbage truck had picked up my garbage and driven around the corner and then stopped

01:33:20.320 to make a rendezvous with Mr.

01:33:22.000 Ponytail, who was a private investigator who had actually set up and worked out of an office

01:33:30.220 across the street.

01:33:31.360 They had set up a PI watching station to watch me at the work I was doing at the time.

01:33:39.420 So Mr.

01:33:39.740 Ponytail paid the man, the garbage worker who's leaning on the garbage truck, a certain amount

01:33:44.660 of dollars for the garbage worker to take your garbage and give it to Ponytail?

01:33:48.860 Yeah.

01:33:50.880 Among other things.

01:33:52.200 And so this is what they're getting at, that the tactics allegedly used, the church denies

01:33:56.220 it, cross a legal line.

01:33:59.080 So I understand the cross is an annoying and ethical line, but does it cross a legal line?

01:34:06.340 I know where I'd place my bets if I had to bet on that.

01:34:09.520 And I would say.

01:34:10.320 Oh, that was for Peter, though.

01:34:11.360 Let's hear Peter sign up.

01:34:12.920 Let's see if we disagree on this one.

01:34:14.120 Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely does.

01:34:15.760 I think they're crossing all kinds of lines if they are really invading the privacy of people

01:34:21.020 that really is only done in a way that we've ever heard from law enforcement legally.

01:34:25.420 And I think that there are some bones to pick if you can connect it to Scientology.

01:34:29.640 That's the problem.

01:34:30.720 They have the money, the power, the influence, that it's never going to be connected back to

01:34:34.160 them by Mr.

01:34:35.160 Ponytail, for example.

01:34:38.120 But there are endless stories of people that feel like they have been abused and used by

01:34:43.200 Scientology.

01:34:44.360 And that tax exemption is the big ticket.

01:34:46.760 It allows them to have a multibillion dollar religion that they can just continue with

01:34:53.220 the power cycle that they have.

01:34:55.400 And if that ever gets taken away, you better believe things are going to change.

01:34:59.260 That's huge.

01:35:00.280 Well, I mean, we'll see what happens.

01:35:02.060 It's I don't remember a lawsuit like this with somebody of her public profile being filed

01:35:07.660 against Scientology.

01:35:08.560 And in court, it's you know, you actually have to put up or shut up.

01:35:12.120 So we'll actually see the proof one way or the other.

01:35:14.480 Viva, Peter.

01:35:15.280 What a pleasure.

01:35:15.840 Thank you both.

01:35:16.660 Want to tell you quickly a response from the D.A.'s office down in Georgia saying the

01:35:20.080 Reuters report that these charges were filed is inaccurate.

01:35:24.240 Beyond that, we cannot comment.

01:35:25.760 So that doesn't mean they're not about to be announced publicly.

01:35:29.980 We're probably going to have that news tomorrow.

01:35:31.980 And we'll also have our friends from the Ruthless program.

01:35:34.900 Then don't miss that show.

01:35:38.300 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:35:40.240 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

01:35:45.840 Thank you.

01:35:50.080 Thank you.

01:35:56.520 And we've got a good one.

01:36:01.960 We'll see you next.

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Biden's Corruption as VP Revealed, and Kohberger's Idaho Murders Alibi, with Newt Gingrich, Viva Frei, and Peter Tragos ｜ Ep. 607

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