The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Disastrous Debate Could Mean the End of His Candidacy, and Presidency, with Lowry, Jashinsky, Rubin, and Bolling

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.320 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our special coverage of

00:00:16.200 the CNN presidential debate which just concluded. Joining me in just a bit, Dave Rubin will be here,

00:00:21.780 also Eric Bolling, and we will be taking some calls at the end of the program from all of you.

00:00:26.760 But first, we've got Rich Lowry, editor-in-chief of National Review, and Emily Jaschinski,

00:00:31.240 DC correspondent for Unheard. They're going to join me in just a minute. But first,

00:00:35.820 I just want to talk to you directly about what we just saw. In my view, it is over for Joe Biden.

00:00:43.260 His presidential campaign came to an end tonight, whether he knows it or not. There will be meetings

00:00:48.680 tonight, first thing tomorrow, amidst Democratic Party leaders about how to get him off the ticket,

00:00:58.140 how to change in somebody else. There have to be. Already we're seeing some reaction come in

00:01:04.460 from top Democrats who rarely criticize the president, suggesting he needs to have a serious

00:01:10.180 look at this performance tonight and assess for himself whether he can go forward.

00:01:14.080 It, that number will mount. There will be more and more. It was an unmitigated disaster.

00:01:22.020 It was uncomfortable to watch. I sat with my family and friends, and for the first 25 minutes

00:01:30.280 of the debate, we kept grabbing each other's arms. It, it was so jarring. He was so distant,

00:01:37.880 so frail, so hard to comprehend, so unsteady. You honestly didn't know whether he was going to make

00:01:48.300 it through the answer. Nevermind through the debate, much less through a second term.

00:01:55.040 The contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump has never been more stark. Trump came out calm,

00:02:02.920 cool, collected, in his own. He looked comfortable. Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out,

00:02:10.700 I think actually the CNN format helped my dad. It helped him stay composed and presidential. I think

00:02:17.100 he's right. The inability for him to interrupt Biden did wind up helping Trump, and he maintained

00:02:24.860 his dignity for the most part. He was in control and strong for the entire time, unlike his opponent.

00:02:33.700 I've never seen anything like that. I've never seen a politician at any level perform

00:02:38.200 like Joe Biden performed tonight. And not only do I have questions about whether he will be his

00:02:45.080 party's nominee, I have questions about whether he could possibly serve out his term. He's the

00:02:50.720 president of the United States right now. That man who couldn't spit out numbers or say trillion or

00:02:57.440 billion correctly and lied at every answer because he seemed confused. How is that our leader?

00:03:05.980 How are the Democrats going to nominate that man? And shame on you, Jill Biden, Jill Biden,

00:03:11.560 for allowing that. I want answers from all these top Democrats who've been telling us how robust he

00:03:17.820 is behind the scenes. That's who I want to hear from most. You lied. Did you not think this moment

00:03:23.300 was going to come that we'd never see this? Why did you agree to put him out on the debate stage

00:03:28.140 when you knew what the truth was and that we would eventually find it out for ourselves?

00:03:34.500 It's a dark day for this country. He's our leader. No one wants to see him embarrassed,

00:03:40.920 but we're embarrassed ourselves tonight. That's our president. And he could very well win a second

00:03:46.860 term if the Democrats continue their lawfare, if the media doesn't do its job,

00:03:52.480 if the Democrats don't do the responsible thing here. I want to get to Rich and Emily

00:03:57.620 with their thoughts. Guys, thank you for joining me. Rich, what'd you think?

00:04:03.720 I don't think it was a great debate. It was painful to watch by the end. The argument over

00:04:07.860 whose golf game is better and who has better handicap. And if the mics hadn't been cut,

00:04:12.820 it probably would have descended into what the first debate in 2020 was like. So I agree with you that

00:04:16.440 helped Trump. But Biden was terrible, like nightmarishly bad. You know, we both had a lot of

00:04:22.280 experience with Roger Ailes, who is a TV genius, if nothing else. And he always said, you know,

00:04:27.260 watch it with with the sound down. And as soon as Trump, sorry, Biden walked out before he said

00:04:32.860 anything, you're like, oh, my gosh, this guy's president of the United States. It looked like

00:04:36.980 he was going to barely make it to the podium. He had this blank and confused look on all the split

00:04:42.440 screens when he wasn't saying anything. And then when he talked, his voice was incredibly frail

00:04:47.600 and weak. They're saying apparently getting out that he had a cold. I don't know,

00:04:51.200 maybe he did have a cold. But if he did, he should have said immediately, oh, excuse my voice. I have

00:04:55.120 a cold. And then there was the the incoherence, you know, not every answer, but a lot of the answers

00:05:01.160 just that they started OK and then they faded into something just a jumble. You know, the beat

00:05:07.820 Medicare. We finally beat Medicare answer towards the beginning was maybe the foremost example of this.

00:05:13.620 So it was a debacle for Joe Biden. I think Trump was, you know, about half the debate was was very good.

00:05:19.080 I think he got overheated at moments and drawn into things he probably shouldn't have.

00:05:23.840 But he had the better night by default, if nothing else. I mean, I didn't think there was any

00:05:29.200 question. Anybody who says Joe Biden won that debate is a dishonest person that you shouldn't

00:05:33.720 be listening to. I do want to play that soundbite before I go to you, Emily, that Rich just referenced.

00:05:39.840 I mean, we have multiple queued up showing Biden's utter confusion. He did not have.

00:05:44.760 The facts. He was confused over very basic facts and it was repeated. Take a listen to this.

00:05:52.480 We have a thousand trillionaires in America, I mean billionaires in America. And what's happening?

00:05:59.500 They're in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes. If they just paid 24 percent,

00:06:06.120 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they've raised five hundred million dollars,

00:06:10.440 billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period. We'd be able to wipe out his debt. We'd be able

00:06:15.580 to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we

00:06:20.960 continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single

00:06:25.920 solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID, excuse me, with dealing with

00:06:35.740 everything we have to do with, look, if we finally beat Medicare.

00:06:44.560 Thank you, President Biden. President Trump?

00:06:46.400 Oh, my God. That's it. That's it, Emily. I mean, I just I have I'm looking at my own notes as we as

00:06:55.960 this unfolded. And here's how they read. So rehearsed, so old. Phlegm needs subtitles.

00:07:05.000 What is he saying? So fast, rehearsed, can barely understand. He's done that. And so frail is my other.

00:07:13.780 What what was he saying? He beat Medicare, the trillions, the trillionaires, what he's done with

00:07:22.460 COVID. He was all over the map.

00:07:28.000 And that was fairly early in the debate. So the vast majority of of everybody who will consume the

00:07:33.660 debate consumed that moment. So people saw that happen live. There's nothing there's no spin in the

00:07:39.240 world. There's no Joe Biden had a cold that can in any way whatsoever change people's opinion of what they

00:07:45.900 saw happen in front of them on that. And, you know, you said when you were in your opening, it sort of gave me

00:07:50.440 chills. It's like a dark day in America. That is exactly how I feel. It's a very sad day to be an American

00:07:55.580 because that is the president of the United States. The first lady is responsible for putting him in this

00:08:00.400 position. There's no question about that. In my mind, the people close to him are responsible for putting him in this

00:08:05.000 position. And on top of that, we're seeing reactions roll in. The New York Times during the debate published

00:08:11.400 a story saying that sources were telling one of their columnists, three Democratic sources telling

00:08:16.980 their columnists that they were just stunned and shocked. We saw Casey Hunt say something similar over

00:08:22.900 at MSNBC. And I'm curious, are they pretending to be surprised? Because people close to Joe Biden who have

00:08:29.280 spent time with Joe Biden have got to have known. I mean, we saw him do a press conference not that

00:08:34.340 long ago where he was telling everybody, you know, Robert Hurd was wrong and he was losing track of his

00:08:38.540 sentences there. But here we are. Fast forward to the debate. In addition to that Medicare answer,

00:08:43.820 his answer on abortion became an answer on immigration. It was it was impossible to follow.

00:08:51.240 He had no train of thought to follow. It was a it was a disaster. I've really never seen anything like it.

00:08:56.240 That was a critical moment. It was terrible. It was another moment where we were all grabbing each

00:09:01.400 other in my house. Like what just happened? The question was about abortion. And he brought

00:09:07.040 Lakin Riley into it without naming her. This nursing student in Georgia who was murdered by an illegal.

00:09:14.200 Here is the moment sought for. I am a person that believes. And frankly, I think it's important to

00:09:21.060 believe in the exception. Some people you have to follow your heart. Some people don't believe in that.

00:09:24.600 But I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and the life of the mother. I think it's very

00:09:30.640 important. Some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected also. And because that

00:09:36.120 has to do with other things and a terrible thing what you've done. The idea that states are able

00:09:41.080 to do this is a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights back to the states that each state

00:09:45.840 have a different role. Look, there's so many young women who have been including a young woman who just

00:09:50.760 was murdered and he went to the funeral. And the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant

00:09:58.800 coming in. They talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot of young women who are being

00:10:04.280 raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. It's just ridiculous.

00:10:12.500 Oh, my God. Guys. Bizarre. I mean, the only word for it is bizarre, right? I mean,

00:10:20.480 what is sometimes he's mumbly and confused and kind of know what he's getting at.

00:10:25.600 Medical. That's a good word. I mean, this is hard.

00:10:30.040 Unrecoverable. Unrecoverable. He cannot go on that. This is that's it. That those are the moments.

00:10:36.400 I don't care. He did improve slightly toward the ends of the 90 minutes. It's irrelevant.

00:10:42.060 He remember at the time we saw him confuse two critical pieces of his legislation. I don't

00:10:47.520 remember the two that he got confused, but he was in the midst of trying to make a point about one

00:10:52.180 and he meandered over and started talking about the other. And we were all like, what did he just do?

00:10:57.380 He juxtaposed the legislation and trying to make his point. It wasn't a one off. He can't keep the

00:11:03.660 facts straight in his own head about something as simple as abortion versus illegal immigration.

00:11:12.200 He had his rehearsed lines. He spent and like a robot, Emily, he got a glitch that wasn't fixable

00:11:20.040 without the handlers. And he spent the last week not being president of the United States, but in Camp

00:11:27.840 David at Camp David doing debate prep and, you know, OK, not being the president of the United States,

00:11:32.120 he's obviously doing both. But it's highly unusual to take an entire week while you're president of

00:11:36.300 the United States, go to Camp David and prep. What's even more unusual, obviously, is then to

00:11:40.920 come out looking like there was no prep in the world that could have prepared you to answer a

00:11:45.580 basic question. My word association with that clip is medical. This is medical for all of the

00:11:50.780 conversation about Donald Trump and the 25th Amendment during his presidency. I mean, that has to

00:11:55.380 be seriously on the table as the American people figure out what is going on with the man who is

00:12:00.480 making nuclear nuclear decisions. There are two hot wars right now, one in Ukraine,

00:12:06.120 one in the Middle East. And this is the man with the power over our military. That is the commander

00:12:13.460 in chief. It's beyond a presidential election. I think what everybody just saw, those clips are

00:12:18.200 going to be so viral. Forget how many people actually have been watched this live. I think

00:12:21.700 the number was pretty high. But Biden's moments there, there's they will be viral. They will live in

00:12:26.660 infamy. They will never, ever, ever escape him. His entire reputation will be tethered to this for

00:12:32.260 the rest of his life. I agree with every word you just said, Rich. I feel like we're in danger

00:12:37.040 tonight. We're the country's now in danger. Yeah. Yeah. But this isn't really news. It just

00:12:44.400 has brought it home more starkly. And it kind of makes you think, what were they thinking? Right.

00:12:48.980 They didn't need to agree to debates. It would have been embarrassing. That's right.

00:12:53.260 I would have said, look, he's running scared. He can't do it. But it'd be better to have people

00:12:57.040 saying you can't do it rather than going out and demonstrating you can't do it. And, you know,

00:13:01.520 nine o'clock at night for this man now, it's like one in the morning. Right. And Emily's point is

00:13:05.860 exactly right. This is after a week of preparation. This isn't like a president of the United States

00:13:10.100 that we've traditionally seen that doesn't do well in the first debate because they're not prepared,

00:13:14.080 you know, and they're not ready for it. And they take it too casually. Right. No,

00:13:17.280 this is a guy who who's who's been doing nothing else, you know, and probably all day today. He was

00:13:24.120 sleeping with cucumber slices over his eyes. And this is the best they could they could get out of

00:13:29.260 him. And, you know, these moments, because they're they're weird, you know, maybe they're

00:13:34.360 they're a little funny, probably more sad, as you put it. But they're weird, you know, so they'll be

00:13:38.840 played over and over again. And they will be the main impression out of the debate. No doubt.

00:13:43.420 We've never seen anything like it. Rick Perry lost his presidential race. He was trying to become

00:13:50.020 the Republican nominee because he said there are three agencies we should eliminate. And he couldn't

00:13:54.600 remember one. That was enough to eliminate him as a candidate for president. This president

00:14:00.560 can't understand the difference between abortion and illegal immigration. What does it even mean

00:14:07.340 he did beat Medicare? That those are just some examples. We have many more

00:14:13.280 of what's leading to the panic at this moment within the Democratic Party. Forget the country.

00:14:20.740 We should all be panicked. But the Democratic Party is at, I think, a 10 right now. This from

00:14:27.020 I mentioned it in reference in passing Nick Kristof of The New York Times. I wish Biden would reflect

00:14:33.440 on this debate performance and then announce his decision to withdraw from this race, throwing

00:14:39.500 the choice of Democratic nominee to the convention. Someone like Gretchen Whitmer or Sherrod Brown or

00:14:45.380 Secretary Raimondo could still jump in and beat Trump. And then there's Joy Reid over at MSNBC. Watch this.

00:14:56.080 I, too, was on the phone throughout much of the debate with Obama, world people, with Democrats,

00:15:05.380 with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives. My phone really never stopped

00:15:10.480 buzzing throughout. And the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic. The people who were

00:15:19.660 texting with me were very concerned about President Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely

00:15:29.340 weak. Yeah, that sounds honest for once from her, Emily. Yeah, it does. But Rich made a really good

00:15:40.320 point just now that it's not necessarily new. And there were people who were reporting on this

00:15:45.820 in different publications, when they were allowed to, who were getting absolutely hammered for trying

00:15:51.680 to tell the American people that there were concerns in private about this. So it's hard for me to listen

00:15:57.020 to Joy Reid say that on air right now, because I just don't believe, I do not believe that if she's on

00:16:04.120 the phone with Obama world during this debate, those same people were not telling her it has been bad

00:16:09.460 all along. They're not able to get away with the lie anymore. And it's really sickening.

00:16:14.360 I don't think Biden actually even has after watching that. I don't think he has the mental

00:16:18.600 capacity to make the decision that Nicholas Kristof is asking him to make. Nicholas Kristof

00:16:23.500 is asking him to reflect on the debate and make a decision. Joe Biden didn't seem to know where he

00:16:28.300 was at certain moments of that debate. He cannot competently make that decision.

00:16:32.720 That's another piece that we haven't even touched on, Rich.

00:16:34.800 Just to pile on this. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

00:16:36.620 Yeah. I was just going to say to pile on the point you made earlier that Emily was underlining

00:16:40.960 there. Morning Joe, every morning, practically, they're lying about Joe Biden. He's as sharp as

00:16:46.680 he's ever been. There was a Wall Street Journal article a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't it didn't

00:16:52.720 didn't really, I think, quite bell the cat about Joe Biden's mental state. But it said people are

00:16:57.400 in meetings with them. He doesn't realize what's been agreed to a week ago. And he repeats himself.

00:17:02.300 It wasn't the harshest thing you could could say. And Morning Joe was outraged by this piece,

00:17:07.380 outraged. So so this is a case where they've been hoist by their own propaganda. Right. They should

00:17:13.400 have said they knew this a year ago. They should have said it out loud a year ago. And then you

00:17:17.680 may be forced to Joe Biden's hand. And I think Jill is the right one to focus on. No delegation could

00:17:22.880 have gone to Joe Biden and get him to quit. Jill could have gotten gotten him to quit. And then you

00:17:27.060 could have a primary process in good order. Now they're in an extremely tough position because when

00:17:32.980 you got to convince them to go, if you want them to go, that's the only mechanism that would work

00:17:36.760 as him voluntarily deciding to go. And then that's kind of a mission that he was a failed president

00:17:41.560 and he wasn't up for the job and you lied about it for a couple of years. And then and then who's

00:17:45.940 going to take over is another big question mark. Who's going to take over the nomination? Who's going

00:17:49.540 to take over potentially the presidency? So now they're there because they lied to us and wouldn't

00:17:55.580 recognize the obvious truth. They're in this almost impossible position.

00:17:59.880 Not only is it Kristoff and Joy Reid, here's David Axelrod. There was a sense of shock in response

00:18:11.240 to Biden's performance. That's a quote. There will be a discussion about whether he should continue.

00:18:17.960 End quote. Kate Bedingfield felt who worked for the campaign. It was a really disappointing debate

00:18:24.360 performance from Joe Biden. I don't think there's any other way to slice it. His biggest issue was to

00:18:29.400 prove to the American people that he had the energy, the stamina, and he didn't do that.

00:18:33.720 Now, I realize that's rather mild based on what we saw, but that's from somebody who worked for the

00:18:37.720 guy. This is there's no spinning this away. It wasn't a loss. It was a devastation. What happened

00:18:47.120 out there? This this goes so far beyond anything we have ever seen at a presidential debate, at any

00:18:55.040 debate that I can remember. And I studied these things before all the debates that I do and all

00:19:01.420 of the debates that I cover. We go back through history and we pull our favorite moments and we

00:19:05.540 pull the biggest gaffes and the most, the biggest disasters and the biggest wins. We've never seen

00:19:09.740 anything like this. We were almost facetiously saying, you know, his job is to remain upright for

00:19:16.460 90 minutes. Can he do it? It, it, it, it shouldn't have been facetious, facetious. It was a real

00:19:23.420 question. And even watching him during the debate, you guys, his face looked bizarre. He, he looked

00:19:33.240 confused, disoriented, very elderly. Um, the pallor of his skin, something was odd about his eyes,

00:19:45.560 about the way his mouth hung, everything about him projected unhealthy, unwell, and forgive me,

00:19:53.180 but near crossing over to the other side. I mean, we've all seen it. I don't, I don't say it to be

00:20:00.760 cruel. I, that is what I observed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, it was, it made me sad

00:20:09.320 and then it made me angry at the people who had put, um, you know, not only him, there's a human

00:20:14.700 reaction you have. There's something visceral that you just comes out in you when you watch an old

00:20:19.360 man struggling in public like that, forget that he's the president of the United States and put

00:20:23.800 himself in this position, which I think you're going to hear Democrats say is very selfish.

00:20:27.940 Uh, so that's a conversation that will be had and should be had, but just human to human,

00:20:32.440 you feel badly for the other person. And then it made me angry because I realized that there were a lot

00:20:37.020 of people who knew that this man who is in this condition, it is a medical condition, clearly

00:20:42.080 is running the country and is running the free world. And there are troops. This is another one

00:20:47.400 of his worst moments in the debate is when he said that no, no troops are dying under Joe Biden's

00:20:53.080 watch, which downplays, minimizes, erases the deaths of troops that have happened under Joe Biden's

00:20:58.040 watch. But those troops at the end of the day, that is their commander in chief and they deserve so

00:21:02.380 much better. They deserve so much better than that. Yeah. It's a national, it's a national.

00:21:06.560 Let's just play that. Can you please play? Let me play that because that was a, that was a big

00:21:10.280 moment to claim that no troops died under his, on his watch is such an affront to the service

00:21:17.760 personnel who gave their lives in Afghanistan. It's sought to, let's listen to it.

00:21:22.180 Well, Terry, you know, when he was president, there were still killing people in Afghanistan.

00:21:27.160 He didn't do anything about that. When he was president, we were still find ourselves in a

00:21:30.880 position where you had a notion that we were this safe country. The truth is I'm the only president

00:21:38.200 this century that doesn't have any, this, this decade, that don't have any troops dying anywhere

00:21:44.480 in the world like he did. I was getting out of Afghanistan, but we were getting out with dignity,

00:21:49.820 with strength, with power. He got out. It was the most embarrassing day in the history of our

00:21:55.580 country's life. How dare he say that, Rich? Yeah, that's one of these things, right? It's,

00:22:03.380 it's most of his career to say, okay, he's lying, right? Does he know? Does he remember? I mean,

00:22:09.800 I think that's, that's a legitimate question. He's always been kind of a bloviator. You know,

00:22:14.020 he adopted someone else's life story in a speech, what, 1988, but I don't know whether he, he knows,

00:22:20.100 you know, about, about those 13 service member who's, who, who died tragically in the, in the

00:22:24.980 bombing when we were withdrawing from Afghanistan. And I think, you know, most of this, it had nothing

00:22:30.020 to do with Trump. Trump didn't even have to say anything in the entire debate. And just what we're

00:22:33.180 talking about was all just Biden and not even Biden really under pressure from, from Trump, right?

00:22:37.880 Like, it's not like he baited him into saying we're going to beat Medicare, right? Where we beat

00:22:42.540 Medicare is something that Biden came up with himself. I will say on Trump though, his strongest points

00:22:47.040 for one, this one, when he hit the Afghan withdrawal and the sense of American weakness

00:22:51.780 abroad, which very much accorded with what you saw on the stage, because it was hard to believe

00:22:55.600 that that guy's commander and chief, and then just coming back again and again on the border and on

00:23:01.200 immigration. And what Trump says, you know, about some of this stuff is pretty, you know, they're not

00:23:05.620 literally emptying out their prisons. There may be some prisoners, but almost anything he says now

00:23:10.440 has credibility on immigration because opinion has shifted so far right on that issue in reaction

00:23:16.200 to the deliberate failure at the border. We've seen the last three and a half years.

00:23:20.880 By the way, just for the record, 13 service members died in our disastrous withdrawal,

00:23:25.280 withdrawal from Afghanistan on Joe Biden's watch. And we lost another three in Jordan in January.

00:23:31.440 And for him to stand up there with the families undoubtedly watching, saying no one has died on my

00:23:38.740 watch is completely disrespectful. But of course, once again, he did manage to work

00:23:44.300 Beau Biden into the discussion. It's just absolutely disgraceful. And to your point,

00:23:50.340 I don't know whether he doesn't remember, doesn't know. I don't really care. He's unfit.

00:23:57.040 Remember that word all over the papers when Donald Trump was president? He's unfit. And I just want to

00:24:02.560 show you, Rich, because we pulled it when you're talking about Morning Joe after that Wall Street Journal

00:24:07.600 piece, which, as you point out, among all the pieces that have been done, it wasn't it wasn't that bad.

00:24:12.420 You know, there have been worse ones. But there was a big reaction to the Wall Street Journal

00:24:17.100 piece. And this is what we saw on MSNBC. Why didn't they just ask Marjorie Taylor Greene?

00:24:23.020 Well, exactly. Why? Yeah, they could have.

00:24:25.100 And Lauren Boebert.

00:24:25.920 It's it's really shocking. I've spent time with both of those guys privately. I've spent time

00:24:31.400 with Biden and Trump privately. I've spent time with every House speaker over the past 30 years

00:24:38.420 and Joe Biden. I'm not just it's just not close. Joe Biden is light years ahead of all of them.

00:24:50.520 What a lie.

00:24:54.860 Yeah. And told self-righteously, right? Like everyone else's is is the liar. And again, if I knew this,

00:25:01.580 if you knew this, if Emily knew this, they knew it. Right. It's not as though it makes no sense.

00:25:06.160 Right. That Biden would go out in public and look confused, but be really with it and pride it.

00:25:10.200 Right. You'd go out of your way to look with it in public if you could, if you're a politician.

00:25:14.320 But he can't. And we've seen that blank look before. You know, the D-Day, the thing with him

00:25:18.840 squatting in the chair was a little exaggerated. But when he got out of the beast, you know, the big

00:25:23.680 SUV style limo he uses, he just looked like that for like 45 seconds. It's not normal. Joe Biden never

00:25:31.240 looked like that before. No other public official ever looks like that. And what we saw tonight was

00:25:36.140 almost 90 minutes of that look. And it's just devastating.

00:25:40.720 Mm hmm. Unfit. Those are the two themes of what I saw tonight. Unfit and complicit. The media allies

00:25:47.860 of his, the top Democrats all over the news trying to tell us how robust he is. If we could just see

00:25:55.580 the Joe Biden, they've seen behind closed doors, they're complicit. And I said this on my show the

00:26:00.100 day we ran that Joe Scarborough clip in response to the Wall Street Journal article. Why did he do it?

00:26:05.840 I'll tell you why. Because he wants to be close to power. It's a theme we've hit many times on this

00:26:12.100 show. We were past the days when journalists were antagonists of people in power, where they were,

00:26:18.480 where they're working class, where they're shoe leather reporters, where they're, they're,

00:26:22.640 they're irascible. They're challenging. They're skeptical about everything that they're told by

00:26:27.740 these highfalutin sources. Now we have the Joe Scarborough's who want to be invited to Camp

00:26:33.620 David, who want to be invited to a state dinner. That's what's more important. That's why he's

00:26:38.920 running cover, because he wants the access to the next president of the United States. It's a complete

00:26:44.140 dereliction. He lied. The MSNBC viewers should know that he lied. And the American public needs to

00:26:51.220 hold together in spirit tonight because our country's in trouble. And I was going to say,

00:26:57.900 I am so curious to hear Morning Joe tomorrow, because if they try to say that they were surprised

00:27:03.540 by this, if they try to say that, everyone should know they are only saying that because they can no

00:27:08.840 longer get away with the lie. That's it. We're going to hear it. We've already heard it. Journalists

00:27:13.620 saying their sources are so surprised. They're doing that because they can't get away with the lie

00:27:17.160 because you all saw it on live television. Or it was it was his cold. OK, his cold. That that's

00:27:22.800 what made him not understand that he was talking about abortion, not immigration. That's what made

00:27:27.800 him meander on that one answer where we don't even know what he's talking about. He killed Medicaid.

00:27:33.480 OK, I mean, it's a lie. And by the way, if he really had a cold, I bet you dollars to donuts,

00:27:39.260 they would have released that before the debate. The Dems would have been all over the place.

00:27:43.000 Yeah, it was a sudden onset cold. The cold started at 915 p.m. when they realized.

00:27:49.660 FYI, he's not feeling well. He's on cold medication. Set the expectations. That's only

00:27:54.780 coming out now. OK, he was examined by the by the doctor and they thought he had covid. He doesn't.

00:27:59.380 OK, I don't I don't buy any of that. Rich and Emily, thank you so much. Great to see you, my friends.

00:28:05.360 Thank you. Thanks, Megan. Dave Rubin is up next. Eric Bolling later. And we'll be taking some of your

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00:29:20.380 And joining me now, Dave Rubin. He's host of the Rubin Report. Dave, welcome back to the show.

00:29:27.320 Your thoughts on what we just saw. Lordy, lordy, Megan. I don't know that I can do it much better than you

00:29:35.560 did it just now, as I heard the last 10 minutes or so. But the only thing that this was about was Joe Biden's

00:29:42.500 mental acuity or lack thereof. There's nothing else that we need to talk about, actually. We can talk about the

00:29:49.380 lies and the confusion and all of that stuff, you know, the political part of it. But the simple truth was everyone

00:29:56.400 that watched that debate in America was doing the exact same thing, going, holy cow, when is it going

00:30:01.840 to break down? How is he going to break down? How is Jake Tapper or the mics being cut or whatever else

00:30:07.480 going to run cover for him? And we saw them do it a multitude of times. That first moment that was in

00:30:12.760 the first 10 minutes where he really started breaking down and mumbling, that could have ended it all right

00:30:18.000 there. But Tapper saved him. And then, of course, just virtually everything he said was either the reverse

00:30:24.360 of the truth or a confusion or a projection or just it just did not make sense, which Trump made

00:30:31.000 a point of. So I can I can sit here and tell you some nice things about Trump. I thought he was

00:30:34.880 controlled and measured for the most part. I thought he was on message and was particularly good at hitting

00:30:41.540 things on immigration and drugs and stuff like that. But I think that the system just got the signal

00:30:47.820 tonight. Joe Biden is toast. And, you know, you mentioned two pillars of this sort of that there

00:30:54.180 is Joe Biden's unfit ability to be president, which that has been obvious to everyone. The more

00:30:59.680 interesting one is the second part that you talked about, the media part and that Joe Scarborough clip

00:31:04.360 that you played. We've played that on my show many times as well. And it's like, you're right. He wants

00:31:08.920 to be close to power. But I would say there's something even slightly more nefarious than that,

00:31:13.740 which is that these people, in effect, are paid to lie. Joe Scarborough has that job with his wife

00:31:22.300 sitting next to him because they are paid to push that propaganda. Joy Reid, who apparently now post

00:31:28.500 debate is calling Obama people and they're like all freaking out right now. She is paid to lie. Now,

00:31:33.760 she's not paid to lie to necessarily suck up to Biden that much because she's more on the progressive

00:31:37.860 side. But she's paid to lie when it pertains to wokeness and DEI and CRT and the rest of it.

00:31:43.040 So when you start understanding that, and I know you understand it as someone that came from

00:31:47.240 cable news, then then the rest of the picture becomes very clear. But I don't see how anyone

00:31:53.080 in their right mind could have watched that debate, even if you hate Trump and you have

00:31:57.580 Trump derangement syndrome and you think all the January 6th stuff is legit and everything else.

00:32:02.300 I do not know how one person in America could have watched that debate and thought Joe Biden is

00:32:08.060 fit to be president. That is the only thing that matters right now.

00:32:10.860 No, there's so I'm looking for the people saying, no, you know what? You're being too

00:32:14.660 hard on him. I'm not seeing it. In fact, I'm seeing some very different reactions. I'm going

00:32:19.680 to play for you in one second. First of all, let me show you this video. Here is video of Jill Biden

00:32:24.700 guiding the commander in chief off of the stage. There she is up there, just like we've seen

00:32:31.000 everywhere. She she's got to go get him. Shame on her. Look at her. She's helping him down the steps.

00:32:40.900 Yeah. Shame on her. Dave Rubin. Shame on her. Megan, let's not let's not forget, Megan,

00:32:46.740 that Whoopi Goldberg thought that Dr. Jill Biden should be surgeon general. Remember that one?

00:32:51.820 She's not. If only she really did have medical abilities.

00:32:54.280 Right, right, right, right. Look, all of it. Doesn't it feel like the system just finished

00:33:00.820 him tonight? Like this was this was the last chance that maybe he could be drugged up enough

00:33:06.600 to go ahead. I would say, you know, the biggest loser tonight may not be Joe Biden, because I don't

00:33:10.700 know that he even wants this. Who knows what's really going on in the recesses of his mind?

00:33:14.780 The biggest loser of this might be Barack Obama, because it's fairly obvious that this has been

00:33:19.600 Obama's third term that Obama people are running the show here. Everyone knows Joe Biden. Yes,

00:33:24.980 it might say his name on the desk in the Oval Office, but he has not been the president. The

00:33:29.740 decisions are not being made by him. I don't even think he's privy to half of the decisions. He's

00:33:34.280 signing things probably that he has no idea what he's signing. I would say that Obama got his third

00:33:39.960 term, as Obama said years ago. Remember, if I could just not be the president, but have the mic in

00:33:44.940 somebody's ear and all that. And Obama now probably has to escalate whatever the plan is to

00:33:50.600 replace Biden. So, you know, Gavin Newsom showed up there, the devil incarnate. He was on location

00:33:55.700 over there at the debate tonight. We will see what they do. I heard your previous guest mention a

00:34:00.280 couple other people. Now Gretchen Whitmer keeps being talked about, but they have a very thin bench

00:34:04.640 and they have a very fractured party. And that's why, you know, that I've been very focused on trying

00:34:10.800 to take sort of moderate Democrats and people that have woken up to the lunacy of the left

00:34:16.540 and encourage Trump to create the widest tent ever. And I think there's an opportunity for that,

00:34:22.140 which again, we don't even really have to talk about Trump here, but that's why I was really

00:34:25.600 impressed with him. He let Biden kind of break down. He did not go too crazy. He controlled his

00:34:30.140 facial expressions. And the golf, yeah. The golf thing was amazing. But wait, let me get to some of

00:34:34.660 the reaction that's growing in right now, because it's pretty extraordinary what we're hearing.

00:34:38.700 You mentioned Obama. David Plouffe helped get Barack Obama elected. And here he is on MSNBC

00:34:44.860 with Rachel Maddow. Listen. President Obama's campaign manager in 2008, David Plouffe is with

00:34:51.480 us. David, I know you have been talking to some muckety-mucks in democratic politics, including

00:34:56.460 what we gingerly call the donor class. What was your personal David Plouffe take on what you saw

00:35:03.400 tonight? And what are you hearing from the people you've been speaking with? Well, I think consistent

00:35:07.580 with your reaction, Rachel, and others on the panel. It's kind of a DEF CON 1 moment.

00:35:12.640 DEF CON 1. Here is John King of CNN with more.

00:35:17.440 Anderson, this was a game-changing debate in the sense that right now, as we speak,

00:35:22.420 there is a deep, a wide, and a very aggressive panic. It involves party strategists. It involves

00:35:28.220 elected officials. It involves fundraisers. And they're having conversations about the president's

00:35:32.960 performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party

00:35:37.240 in the ticket. And they're having conversations about what they should do about it. Some of those

00:35:41.260 conversations include, should we go to the White House and ask the president to step aside?

00:35:45.160 Others are other of the conversations are about, should prominent Democrats go public

00:35:49.440 with that call? Because they feel this debate was so terrible.

00:35:53.300 Buckle up, Dave. This is going to be a rough next couple of months because the Democratic

00:35:59.740 Convention is now weeks away. It's in August in Chicago. And the Biden campaign is already trying

00:36:08.820 to set it up such that the actual nomination will be done virtually weeks before that. So he's locked

00:36:15.200 in as the nominee. What they'll do to stop it, I know not, but I think they're finally convinced.

00:36:23.300 What an absolute farce all of these people are. They have been running cover for Joe Biden. They

00:36:29.980 have been running cover for this administration. They have pretended that we didn't see what we've

00:36:36.200 all seen, the flubs and confusions and muddling and making, and who's in charge? Remember,

00:36:41.800 that's his other thing, right? When he takes questions every now and again, he'll start saying

00:36:45.420 something and he goes, oh, I'm not supposed to say that. I'll get in trouble. There's been so many

00:36:49.320 red flags here. Dave, they actually were calling us ableist. They were calling us ableist, right?

00:36:55.940 Keep going. Sorry. No. Well, so I'm not going to curse on the Megyn Kelly show, but I would

00:37:03.160 basically say F you to all of these people. They have now put us in this situation where we are a

00:37:08.220 month away from a convention, as you just laid out, and they are about to swap him out. So everything

00:37:12.600 that we've been dealing with for the last year, you know, in essence, thinking that it was going to

00:37:16.020 be Trump and Biden, they are done with Biden. And they just put us through all of this on top of

00:37:22.120 the fact that, you know, I think we could probably deal with it if the world was in a bit of a better

00:37:27.840 spot. But we have this insane Russia-Ukraine war, non-war that we're funding, but we're not in,

00:37:33.420 something like that. The Israel-Hamas thing is actually secondary now to a much bigger war that

00:37:39.060 could blow up with Hezbollah and Lebanon, and that could bring in several other countries.

00:37:43.280 Obviously, we're having economic problems here. Just look at the interest rates or go to the

00:37:47.500 supermarket. Like there's serious stuff. If things were just kind of working, then I think we could

00:37:53.400 put up with, you know, having a guy that was a little confused and everything else, and we would

00:37:57.560 just joke about it. But everything you said a moment before I came on about the way his mouth was,

00:38:03.120 the staring off into complete blankness, the sentences that went nowhere, it's enough now. If you've

00:38:12.420 been pretending not to see it, if you're watching this and you were just kind of on the fence,

00:38:15.820 you have to see it now. This is serious stuff at this point.

00:38:19.280 Here is Van Jones of CNN.

00:38:21.880 That was painful. I love Joe Biden. I work for Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all. He did not do

00:38:34.180 well at all. And he looked, you know, I'll give you the analysis, you know, kind of have the old man

00:38:40.300 versus the con man. I can walk you through how I'm supposed to see it and say it, but I just want to

00:38:46.260 speak from my heart. I love that guy. That's a good man. He loves his country. He's doing the

00:38:53.760 best that he can. But he had a test to meet tonight to restore confidence of the country and of the

00:39:00.480 base. And he failed to do that. And I think there's a lot of people who are going to want to see him

00:39:06.440 consider taking a different course now. We're still far from our convention. And there is time for this

00:39:14.220 party to figure out a different way forward if he will allow us to do that. But that was not what

00:39:19.860 we needed from Joe Biden. And it's personally painful for a lot of people. It's not just panic.

00:39:24.120 It's pain of what we saw tonight. And one more, one more, Dave. Listen to this. This just in from

00:39:30.900 CBS News and Ed O'Keefe, the White House reporter. There are at least some House Democrats who were

00:39:38.540 gathered tonight watching this together, talking about talking to the White House about having him

00:39:42.160 stepped down. That's how bad it was in their view. Remember, House Democrats are on the verge of

00:39:47.820 trying to get back the majority. They're nervous about doing that in places in these battleground

00:39:52.620 states where they're going to need a strong top of the ticket. They may need to rely on a strong

00:39:56.060 senator gubernatorial candidate. And in some cases, they don't have it. Step down before the convention.

00:40:00.440 Well, to at least throw up somebody else instead of the president that that debated tonight.

00:40:04.960 Dave Biden's Megan presidency, never mind his second term, is disintegrating before our very eyes.

00:40:16.160 Look, the truth is a time release pill. And we are now seeing people who have laundered the lies

00:40:22.320 and told us not to see what we see in front of us now being confronted with the obvious reality.

00:40:28.380 They can all you know, it's interesting. Van Jones, he's sort of emoting there and he loves him and all

00:40:33.080 of that stuff. But it's like, dude, you knew you didn't just you didn't just magically see something

00:40:39.180 that came out of nowhere. We have all known this. So you have all been part of it. And now whatever

00:40:44.620 they've all been given the signal. Oh, someone else is talking about it. Now somebody else will

00:40:48.440 talk about it. Somebody else will talk about it. And we will get rid of him. And by the way,

00:40:52.440 if you're Joe Biden for whatever whatever is left of Joe Biden. And by the way, I had two grandmothers

00:40:58.480 that I that I lost to dementia and Alzheimer's related issues that I spent a lot of time with

00:41:03.260 one of them, particularly towards the end dealing with that and going to doctors. So for all the

00:41:07.220 glibness that we can make of this, it's deeply depressing. But Biden should not have to spend

00:41:12.000 his last few years in this situation. This isn't this isn't the right ending of any man being propped

00:41:18.040 up there, which is why your comments on Jill Biden are totally right. But look, as this ship sinks

00:41:23.200 further, the rats are going to scurry. And there's the other part of this, of course, Megan,

00:41:27.380 is that there's a huge scandal here. They have been drugging him. Obviously, they have people

00:41:33.620 know what's going on. There is some doctor that knows what's going on. Does Corinne Jean Pierre

00:41:38.660 know? I don't know. But I guarantee you, Jill Biden knows and probably the chief of staff knows

00:41:43.580 and a couple other people. But now that the signals out there and there's you know, there's

00:41:47.060 blood around him, in essence, somebody is going to break. And then it'll be like, you know,

00:41:51.340 I was the one I a couple months ago, I was telling everybody we had to do something about

00:41:55.000 this. So we have completely, I would say, traversed into new territory tonight. And it

00:42:00.760 has almost nothing to do with any of the issues that will fix America. And that's the deeply

00:42:05.680 depressing part. There will be piece after piece after piece in the papers now of exactly those

00:42:14.680 people you just mentioned. I knew I tried to warn White House sources say they've been trying to

00:42:20.840 warn people for months. And you're right, they'll start turning on each other. Because when you have

00:42:26.560 Joy Reid and David Plouffe, right, she's more the more woke squad dem. And David Plouffe is the more

00:42:33.900 Obama sort of seasoned, whatever, distinguished, they're not exactly squaddy dem. And you know,

00:42:40.180 the Van Joneses of the world, all saying it's panic, and he might actually need to step down.

00:42:47.300 You have a genuine crisis on your hands. And the press will start printing those stories

00:42:52.180 immediately, which will lead to just more feeding frenzy. And the only question is whether they can

00:42:58.540 do it. Is there enough time? Oh, please. We're getting. Oh, come on. Here's Jill Biden lying again.

00:43:08.120 Oh, my God. She's talking to him like he's a baby. Yes, right. You have two babies right now.

00:43:28.660 That's how you talk to them. Is it not? You did all you got all the. Can we listen to it again?

00:43:33.560 We need to listen to it again. I actually don't talk. Joe, you did such a great job. You answered

00:43:43.600 every question. Oh, my God. Unbelievable. Megan, I do want to be very clear. I don't talk down to

00:43:53.400 my children. I talk to them like adults. They're only about one and a half. But Justin will look at

00:43:57.560 me sometimes and he'll be like, dude, I'm a kid. What do you come on? But that is just so embarrassing.

00:44:01.740 And she is so in on it. If you want to be angry at somebody tonight, like we can be angry at all

00:44:06.680 of the media people. But everyone in America really should be angry at Jill Biden. It's elder

00:44:10.980 abuse, which she has done in her quest for power or whatever deal she has made with Obama or anything

00:44:16.880 else. I mean, my God, you answered every question. That's not even true. He is not rambled

00:44:23.320 incoherently. Here is a statement from the Biden campaign on tonight's debate.

00:44:32.560 Tonight, President Biden presented a positive and winning vision for the future of America,

00:44:37.780 one in which every American has a fair shot at the American dream, where every one of our rights

00:44:42.020 are protected and where our president fights to strengthen our democracy, not tear it down.

00:44:45.200 On the other side of the stage was Donald Trump. Dark, backwards window. Terrible, terrible,

00:44:50.080 terrible. Trump's performance tonight reminded the American people why they fired him four years

00:44:54.220 ago and reinforced just how high the stakes are this November for the future of our country.

00:44:58.300 Well, I agree with those last four words. You know, I mean, this is a pathetic attempt to spin

00:45:03.160 his positive vision. This isn't going to fly. For once, it doesn't seem like the media is going along

00:45:09.900 and they can't. They can't because to your point earlier, they can't. They've been exposed. The

00:45:16.380 jig is up. We've seen it. We've seen it repeatedly before tonight. The bullshit, not deep fakes. What

00:45:25.120 is Kareem Jean-Pierre? Cheap fakes. Excuse cheap fakes is not going to fly. It's a lie. They've been

00:45:31.580 lying and spinning and it's the country that's at stake. Shame on them all. Dave Rubin,

00:45:39.620 my friend, so glad you could join us and I'll give you the last word.

00:45:44.100 Well, I would just say if you want absolute proof of what you just said right there, think about it.

00:45:48.160 When they talked about the very fine people moment, which is a complete hoax and Trump addressed it as

00:45:53.000 a hoax, Biden still was pretending it was real. Jake Tapper, who many, many times on his show over

00:45:58.980 the year, over the years has said it was true. If Biden had not completely broke down tonight,

00:46:04.600 all of the people that we just showed from CNN and MSNBC and everywhere else,

00:46:08.660 they would have still been laundering that lie. So it's not that they won't lie. It's that now it

00:46:14.580 is it is so evident. It is so cataclysmically evident to everyone that they are going to have

00:46:20.780 to either lie in a whole new way or who knows what tricks they have up their sleeves. But I think the

00:46:25.140 dam has broken and we're in a very different situation starting right now. Yeah, I think you

00:46:30.840 mean Jake Tapper has admitted it's not true. He's he's on record as saying this is at least I saw a clip

00:46:36.340 of him saying it's much more nuanced than you're suggesting. But that lie about whether Trump called

00:46:41.760 white supremacists in Charlottesville very good people has been debunked over and over. It was

00:46:45.880 amazing. Biden took that risk. It truly was as if he hadn't seen. Yeah, yeah, it was truly like he hadn't

00:46:52.640 seen the fact checks, including one that just came out the other day, which I just tweeted out tonight.

00:46:56.360 Dave, thank you. Great to see you. Good to see you, my friend. Up next, Eric Bowling. And we'll also

00:47:04.940 take some of your calls. I want to talk to Eric about Trump's performance, too. He knows Trump very

00:47:08.600 well. He's a big fan. And that we saw a totally different Donald Trump tonight. We just if that

00:47:14.760 Donald Trump stays on this campaign trail from now through November, he can't lose. He can't lose.

00:47:22.480 That's the Trump we need to see. Whatever it takes. Love to know your thoughts. Get on the line

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00:48:44.080 989898 today. Okay, in just a little bit, I'm going to be taking your calls. Who do you think

00:48:50.200 won the debate? Honestly, that's like what we always ask, but a better question at this point is,

00:48:55.120 do you think that Biden is going to remain the nominee? Will Biden remain the nominee?

00:48:59.660 Call me, 833-44-MEGYN. That's 833-446-3496. But first, I'm joined by Eric Bolling,

00:49:08.280 host of the Eric Bolling Podcast. Eric, welcome back to the show. Your reaction

00:49:12.380 to what happened tonight? Well, basically everything you and David just talked about,

00:49:18.300 Megan, I'm glad you ended with that Corinne Jean-Pierre deep fakes comment that she came out

00:49:23.600 because, you know, for the better part of the last couple of weeks, they're saying that all the

00:49:27.440 things that we're seeing on X, on social media, and then makes its way to cable news, eventually

00:49:34.420 Biden making mistakes, Biden tripping, Biden going the wrong way, Biden getting lost with a G7

00:49:40.900 meeting, having to be brought back by an Italian president or prime minister. Those were all fake,

00:49:48.060 and they weren't real. Those were right-wing extremists putting out deep fakes. What we saw

00:49:52.120 tonight, Megan, within five seconds of the debate was Joe Biden is severely in trouble.

00:50:01.100 He's demented. It was awful. You couldn't hear him. He was mumbling. He got lost. One of the first

00:50:06.780 longer comments he made, he got lost. He walked himself right into a dead end, had to stop and

00:50:12.280 mumble something about Medicare. And Trump just hit that ball right over the left field fence by saying,

00:50:17.820 yeah, you crushed Medicare. You destroyed Medicare. And it went downhill for Biden from there. I will

00:50:24.040 agree with a lot of things that I'm hearing. I've watched CNN right after the debate. Very

00:50:28.600 interesting. Yeah. Van Jones, he did something important. So the debate ends and they go around

00:50:34.800 the table. And of course, the first few are the pundits and the pundits. Oh, Trump was lying. He was

00:50:40.020 terrible. Joe was so strong. And then the people who knew stepped up. They became adults in the room.

00:50:46.480 Van was the first one to say, I love Joe Biden. Joe Biden loves his country. That man is not ready

00:50:53.240 for a second term. They need to replace Joe Biden. And then fortunately, David Axelrod, who was

00:50:59.260 pretty good as a brains behind Barack Obama's presidency, agreed with Dan Jones. So the people

00:51:04.360 who know, realize that the Democrats are going to have to replace him. And I think it's important

00:51:08.960 that you're talking about who won the debate. No, that's not relevant anymore because Trump did a

00:51:14.180 fantastic job. If you look on Twitter, trending on Twitter, number one trend is debates. But then it

00:51:22.800 comes down to Kamala Harris. Oh, and then there's Bernie Sanders. Oh, and then there's Michelle Obama.

00:51:30.900 These are trending on Twitter right now, post-debate. Hillary Clinton, Mike Obama, which is a shot at

00:51:37.280 Michelle. So the vast majority of Twitter right now. Who's going to replace Joe Biden? Because

00:51:44.040 who's the pinch hitter realizing it? Twitter. It's not just it's not just the names you mentioned

00:51:49.060 or the ones I mentioned. The reaction continues to come in from the left wing media. I give you

00:51:53.860 Kristen Welker on NBC moments ago. Watch. There is widespread panic among Democrats. I got a number

00:52:02.980 of text messages this evening. Democrats reaching out to say this is difficult to watch. Where does

00:52:11.260 this go from here? One Democratic lawmaker, Tom, going so far as to say this race is effectively over.

00:52:20.960 Wow. Think about that. We just heard NBC News with MSNBC say the race is over. It's done.

00:52:30.740 Widespread panic. Meetings amongst lawmakers, according to CBS News, about going to the White

00:52:36.540 House to tell them he must step out. This cannot go on. This just dropping here in the Atlantic.

00:52:44.520 A disaster for Joe Biden is the headline. There will be many more just like this. Go ahead, Eric.

00:52:50.200 So so doesn't this feel you and I have done this for the better part of 30 years, Megan?

00:52:54.720 Doesn't this feel like the media is telling the Democrat Party and the White House guys,

00:53:00.440 we can't we can't hide for you. We can't cover for you anymore.

00:53:04.320 Can't do it anymore. You've been exposed. You can't do it. We've we've we've we've provided

00:53:09.360 the cover for you up until now. Now the game is up. You we can't do it. So if you want to do this,

00:53:15.840 it's on your you're on your own and you'll lose. They're basically telling effectively NBC,

00:53:21.280 the Atlantic, others, all the left wing media that have been the shills for the for the Biden presidency

00:53:26.340 for three and a half years, four years since he's been running, have said, if you're going to run

00:53:31.520 Biden, you're going to lose. We highly recommend you figure out who next. Very interesting.

00:53:37.360 Gavin Newsom was over on MSNBC post debate. I don't know. He's throwing his hat in the ring.

00:53:43.280 Well, that's the thing. Who do they have, Eric? Who do they have?

00:53:45.540 Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama is Michelle Obama hates politics. I know. I know. But she hates

00:53:51.940 politics. I mean, absolutely hates it. Today, there was an article I think was Axios talking

00:53:55.900 about how she's not helping the Biden campaign. Apparently, there's a rift because she's upset

00:54:00.480 that they didn't treat Hunter's ex-wife better. But it even in there was underscoring how she loathes

00:54:07.200 politics, wants nothing to do with it. I don't know. I Gretchen Whitmer, people don't really

00:54:12.260 know her within the Democratic Party. Yes. She doesn't have the kind of national name. Right.

00:54:17.500 Is there anybody other than Michelle Obama who could actually make this a race with Trump now?

00:54:23.360 Hillary, you know, there's another way to do this. And there's another I know, but there's a way to

00:54:29.300 do this. And I don't know. You need to talk to some high, high level Democrat operatives.

00:54:36.860 You know, they could replace Kamala Harris and put someone like Hillary or Michelle Obama in the

00:54:41.860 vice president spot and then hopefully pull off a win and then have Joe step aside and they can put

00:54:47.380 in a second in charge from there. That's a way to save face for Biden. But then you run the risk of

00:54:53.240 not winning. I mean, this is there. This is a five alarm fire for them right now. They need to figure

00:54:59.380 it out. They've got exactly two months till the Democrat DNC convention to make their move.

00:55:05.060 They'll probably talk. My guess is they're going to talk. Again, Megyn Kelly, I adore you. You've

00:55:11.060 spent countless hours at the White House, as I have. When you're in the White House and the president

00:55:16.960 and the first lady or the first family are around, the C's part. There's dozens of secret service

00:55:23.920 people. There's dozens of handlers helping you lift your finger, put your shirt on. The ego

00:55:30.340 gratification of being a president, a first lady, a first family member is insane. It's intense.

00:55:37.420 Everything is taken care of for you. Michelle may hate politics, but I guarantee the Obamas

00:55:42.720 love the lifestyle of living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and all the bells and whistles that come

00:55:48.900 with it. The Air Force One everywhere you go, you step off the plane, you step into wherever you're

00:55:54.120 headed. The path has been predetermined for you. Not to mention the chance of being the first female

00:55:59.500 president, not to mention the chance of being the first female president. And if they came to her and

00:56:03.480 said, your country needs you, if you don't do this, it is a guarantee that Donald Trump will

00:56:10.060 be president again. And you know, you know, they genuinely see him as a Hitler-esque figure.

00:56:14.520 I'm just going to give you a little bit more. First, let's play Chuck Todd and his reaction

00:56:18.140 at NBC. You know, one of the things was, would either candidate look like the caricature

00:56:24.600 that the other campaign has been trying to paint of him? And at the end of the day,

00:56:29.120 Joe Biden looks like the caricature that conservative media has been painting. And there

00:56:34.860 were no clips tonight, right? This was, you saw it before your eyes. Look, I don't want

00:56:39.740 to just tell you what I think here, Tom. I've been talking to a lot of leaders in the Democratic

00:56:47.380 Party, electeds, coalition leaders. There's a full-on panic about this performance. Not like,

00:56:55.960 oh, this is recoverable. It is more of a, okay, he's got to step aside. There's a lot of that

00:57:03.080 chatter. This is about as bad of a performance that Biden could have delivered if his goal was

00:57:14.340 to try to sort of calm the waters among Democrats. I mean, look. Yeah, if that was his goal, he failed.

00:57:21.380 I mean, we heard it now across the board, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC. The Atlantic just pulled up this

00:57:29.760 piece, a disaster for Joe Biden. In tonight's first debate at the presidential campaign,

00:57:33.800 the president appeared meandering, confused, and extremely frail. His performance was at times

00:57:38.040 almost physically uncomfortable to watch and will greatly amplify the calls for him to step aside.

00:57:43.620 When the debates were announced in May, some pundits viewed it as a win for Biden,

00:57:46.620 who was trailing Trump narrowly but consistently. His campaign wanted to put Trump in front of the

00:57:50.760 Americans early in the campaign and remind them of the chaos and division he produced. It was a bold

00:57:57.120 gamble by the president and he lost. Oh boy, did he ever. It's across the board. My phone's blowing

00:58:04.760 up. Every single pundit, every single person with any connection to Democrat officials, Eric is saying

00:58:09.640 he's done. I don't even know if he's going to finish his presidency at this point.

00:58:13.060 So let's deal in what we know right now. What we know right now is going into this debate,

00:58:20.920 Trump was leading in all seven of the swing states. In fact, today there was a most more recent poll

00:58:25.640 that had him leading in all seven of them, even on a wider margin. And I had that, which I don't buy

00:58:31.720 these head to head national polls ever. It's, you need to take it state by state, but Trump's leading

00:58:35.780 going into the debate. Trump, for whatever reason, he really stayed within himself. He was cogent. He

00:58:43.100 was, he was reserved. He didn't take the bait when Biden was calling him convicted felon, sleeping

00:58:50.880 with porn. Trump stayed. And you pointed out, if he stays, if this is the Trump he stays after the

00:58:56.120 next five months, he's president. You know what, Megan, it's over. Let's, we know what we know right

00:58:59.680 now. Joe Biden against Trump. Trump is the, he's going to be the next president based on what we

00:59:05.820 know at this very moment right now. There's no stopping him right now. The only thing that could

00:59:10.220 possibly happen would be something that's probably never happened before. I'm not even sure it's ever

00:59:13.700 happened in politics, but it's a Hail Mary pass. It's fourth down. There's eight seconds left on the

00:59:20.080 clock and they're down by six and they're going to have to throw a Hail Mary pass at the corner of the

00:59:24.180 end zone. I don't think Joe Biden is Doug Flutie. He may be, but I just don't think it's going to

00:59:28.940 happen. I think what you saw tonight was a slam dunk, a close the books. Katie, the game is over

00:59:35.480 bar the doors. It's done. Donald Trump is the 47th president of the United States.

00:59:40.480 I couldn't agree more. I mean, there's just, I don't know how you could deny it based on what

00:59:44.740 we saw tonight. And we haven't talked much about Trump and that's appropriate. The story tonight is

00:59:48.360 Biden, but Trump was excellent. He was controlled. He was strong. His memory was like a steel trap

00:59:58.400 tonight. He had details. He went back. He corrected Biden's mistakes. He kept his temperament

01:00:04.980 in check. There were a couple of small moments where they did a little bickering. Fine. It was

01:00:09.160 no big deal. It was a, it was just the best version of Donald Trump. So, I mean, the contrast was

01:00:15.800 stunning. You know, I love, I loved, and people are going to laugh at this. I love the back and

01:00:21.820 forth about the golf. Oh, it was funny. Yeah. It was, it was trivial. And there's, it was two guys

01:00:26.420 like, you know, but the reality is we see Trump hitting a golf ball, 250 yards. We see Trump making

01:00:34.840 his way around a golf course. We also see Joe Biden barely capable of getting, you showed the clip

01:00:41.300 just a little bit earlier of, he can barely get off the stage. And for him to say that he's going

01:00:47.640 to challenge Trump to a golf game, it just proves he's lying. He's just doing whatever he can to stay

01:00:54.120 relevant. The reason why we're not talking about Trump is you're right. Cause it was the story was

01:00:58.060 Joe Biden tonight. And I opened with the Twitter trending on X. Trump wasn't one of them trending on

01:01:04.640 X. Think about it. When does Trump not the one trending on X? That's amazing. He wasn't even on the list

01:01:09.340 of 15 top trending where it was replacements for Biden. It was Biden. It was dementia. It was

01:01:13.980 much, but not Donald Trump. And that's what he needs. You're right. That's the Trump he needs.

01:01:19.120 Yes. It was actually very impressive. I mean, good for him because the stakes were high for him too.

01:01:23.880 And he's only human. I'm sure he felt the pressure of having to go out there and he nailed it.

01:01:27.780 Unlike his opponent. Um, right now the name Gavin Newsom is getting mentioned a lot. Uh, he is

01:01:36.520 on camera speaking to how this went. Here's a bit of it. He was on MSNBC.

01:01:42.040 You were out there getting a chorus of questions about whether Biden should step down. There is

01:01:46.800 panic that has set in. Uh, well, there is panic that has set in among people who have watched this

01:01:52.700 debate, who are Democrats, people who are strategists and some even inside democratic

01:01:56.780 campaigns. Do you think it's unfounded?

01:01:58.900 Well, I think it's unhelpful. Uh, and I think it's unnecessary. Uh, we've got to go in and got

01:02:04.460 to keep our heads high. And as I say, we've got to have the back of this president. You don't turn

01:02:09.140 your back because of one performance. What kind of party does that? It's been a masterclass, 15.6

01:02:15.320 million jobs. That's eight times more than the last three Republican presidents combined. The only

01:02:19.960 thing the last three Republican presidents have in common is recessions. Democrats deliver.

01:02:24.200 This president is delivered. We need to deliver for him at this moment with all due respect. The

01:02:29.480 more time we, we, we, we start having these conversations go down these rabbit holes, unhelpful

01:02:34.120 to our democracy, our fate and future of this country, the world, they need us right now to step

01:02:39.840 up. And that's exactly what I intend to do. All right. So he's saying what he has to say. Go ahead.

01:02:48.020 This is exactly what I was saying before the political class, the Democrat, the, the,

01:02:53.340 the politicians are saying it's Biden and he's going to win. And Trump was terrible. And Biden's

01:02:58.260 amazing. And, you know, he can be Trump a guy, you know, he's the guy and the media who've been

01:03:04.260 basically providing cover for a failing president, uh, both, you know, physically, but also, you know,

01:03:11.220 the economy and allowing him to say that inflation, uh, was 9% when he took over, they've been covering

01:03:17.360 for him. And the media is now throwing their hands up and say, you politicians can do whatever the heck

01:03:22.840 you want, but we can't cover for you anymore. So whatever happens from here on out, it's going to

01:03:27.540 be on you. But I think this was just a watershed moment. Fantastic for the political process in

01:03:33.720 America. You know, it really is going to be, Eric, we, it is, it was so bad that it right today is

01:03:39.220 June 27th, right? June 27th. It was so bad. We actually could get a president Harris between now

01:03:47.960 and November. We, we truly, he could get 25th amendmented. That could be, that literally might

01:03:55.080 be happening overnight tonight. There could be meetings about that. But see, but they're, but

01:03:59.660 they're, but they're not, they don't want to do that either. Megan. They know she's the least

01:04:03.040 popular vice president. She's a horrible candidate. But he's not compass mentis.

01:04:12.060 He hasn't been for a long time though. It's it, you know, but so let's do this politically.

01:04:18.680 They want to win. They don't want to lose the presidency, right? I think the surest way to lose

01:04:23.680 it would be to, to have Joe step aside and let Kamala. No, they're not going to run number two.

01:04:29.560 They can't run her. I mean, you raise a good point because if they, if they make, if he's

01:04:33.020 steps aside and she becomes the president, then they have to run her and they definitely

01:04:36.340 don't want to run her there. They're much more in love with Gretchen Whitmer. If they go with

01:04:40.660 Gavin Newsom, I just like, there's, there's zero chance he can beat Trump. Zero. That man is the

01:04:45.700 most progressive far left. He's transing children by the dozens. As we speak, he's making it a safe

01:04:53.840 haven for illegals, for people who want to chop their minor son's penis off. I mean, that guy

01:05:00.600 is a lunatic in the way he runs his state. It would be an even greater gift to Trump to

01:05:05.880 sub Biden out and put that guy in. I don't see that happening. I want to get to Kamala Harris.

01:05:11.560 She'd wait. She has weighed in on her, on the president's performance. Here's what she said.

01:05:18.600 Listen, first of all, what we saw tonight is the president making a very clear contrast with

01:05:26.140 Donald Trump on all of the issues that matter to the American people. Yes, there was a slow start,

01:05:30.820 but it was a strong finish. And what became very clear through the course of the night is that

01:05:36.220 Joe Biden is fighting on behalf of the American people. Slow start. That's going to be the spin.

01:05:42.540 Slow start, Eric. It's too late. They don't realize it's too late.

01:05:48.520 Again, the politicians are the last to throw the towel in. They've needed, you know, the army is kind of

01:05:54.900 the media. They're left-wing media. They aren't, you know, basically generals, NBC, MSNBC, CNN. It

01:06:01.100 said, we're, we're out of here. You want to do this? You're, you're, you're on your own. We wish

01:06:06.160 you well, but it doesn't look good for him. So they'll, they'll come around. They'll, they'll,

01:06:09.920 they'll come around. They got to, they got to what a month and a half till they're,

01:06:12.840 to the DNC convention in Chicago, which should be a bloodbath anyway, not literal, but a figurative

01:06:18.760 bloodbath anyway, with, with the protesters. They don't even know what they are. What is a Democrat

01:06:23.720 now? What is Joe Biden? Are they pro-Israel? Are they anti-Israel? Are they pro-Palestine?

01:06:27.460 Are they, they're all over the board? Look, you know, it's, it's like, um, a, a, a sports

01:06:35.380 team. You, you, you've crushed it now. You've got the playoffs. You nailed the playoffs. Now

01:06:40.800 just don't screw it up. Just, just coast. You don't have to take chances anymore.

01:06:47.000 They shouldn't have agreed to the Democrats. Yeah. They never should have agreed to this

01:06:54.580 debate. It was, and there is 100% not going to be another debate. We said this earlier this week

01:07:01.640 on the, on our show. Let me ask you something. Like may I ask you a question? Yeah. And I didn't

01:07:06.080 hear the early part of the show. I was, I was watching some of the other coverage. I'm going

01:07:10.160 to say, I think Tapper and that one more Tapper. So I think it was very fair. I thought he was

01:07:16.240 even handed. I didn't dislike the way he handled the moderation. I expected a lot more bias coming

01:07:22.040 from, from Jake Tapper. And frankly, I think he did a very fair job. I thought they both did a nice

01:07:27.260 job. Um, I thought if, if bias showed up in any way, it was in the topic selection. I mean,

01:07:32.780 there was a lot on January 6th and climate change and race. It's like, okay, abortion,

01:07:39.300 not, not a single abortion, tons on abortion, not a democracy accepting the results of the next

01:07:45.300 election. I mean, they didn't find any time whatsoever to talk about what, you know, what

01:07:50.000 has to happen to young women and girls in this country as a result of Joe Biden's policies to

01:07:54.460 title nine changes, the, what were the mutilation that we're doing of our children? I mean, I could go

01:07:59.220 on. Um, so yeah, that's, but that's CNN. That's fine. That I'm sure CNN wasn't interested in any

01:08:05.060 of those topics. I also thought they did a nice job of shrinking, staying business, like not injecting

01:08:10.900 themselves too much and keeping to relatively simple topics that we knew were going to come up.

01:08:15.880 Um, I, I have to say one thing though, to have raised the possibility of weaponization,

01:08:20.780 weaponization of government as an issue in this debate and, and to have not put that accusation against

01:08:26.360 Joe Biden to have raised it only against Donald Trump. You said, if you get elected, you're going

01:08:32.560 to do it. It's being done four times over to Donald Trump. That was egregious to me.

01:08:39.620 In Trump to, to Trump's credit, he took that and didn't make it about himself. You know, he,

01:08:45.600 you watch him in rallies and debates. It's all about himself. He did. He turned it into January. Six

01:08:51.320 people were treated improperly. We're treated poorly, unfairly with bias. They shouldn't have

01:08:56.200 done what they've done to the January six people and, and let the, the George Floyd rioters,

01:09:01.480 you know, completely get a pass. So Trump didn't make that about himself. I thought that was very

01:09:06.060 refreshing. And maybe they thought maybe, and he did bring up the law trying to hook Trump in.

01:09:11.420 He did bring up the law fair against him with that. Like, I mean, they got into the story. Joe Biden,

01:09:15.540 that's the other thing. Joe Biden went low. He went low bringing up the stormy Daniels thing by name.

01:09:20.540 You had sex with a porn star, making Trump didn't deny that on the stage. He was getting

01:09:24.980 desperate and desperate people behave badly. That's what we saw. I got to go here. Cause I've

01:09:28.840 got a bunch of callers in the line that I want to get to. Great to see you, my friend. Thanks for

01:09:32.280 being here. You too, Megan. Talk to you again soon. All right. We've got our, our fans and our friends

01:09:38.740 at Sirius XM callers calling in. I want to get to Aaron in South Dakota. Aaron, what'd you think about

01:09:43.600 tonight? Um, I just wanted to share that, and this is not meant in a mean way at all. It's

01:09:50.420 really not, but the group chat and a large group chat. I mean, there were multiple people who were

01:09:54.360 saying, I I've seen this with my grandma or one, one girl said she works with people like

01:10:00.380 Democrat or Republican. If you've seen someone suffering from dementia, Alzheimer's old age,

01:10:06.300 whatever label you want to put on it. Um, it's real. And I don't know how you deny it. Like,

01:10:12.080 it's just like you said, but the sound that came out of my roommate, who's not very political

01:10:17.360 when he trailed off was, Oh, and that's just what it is. Yeah, no, it was extremely uncomfortable.

01:10:26.000 Like I said, we were actually grabbing each other like, Oh God, you know, watching it through your

01:10:30.360 hands. Like, I can't watch this. This is too uncomfortable. And if you were experiencing it

01:10:35.700 and we were experiencing it, I'm sure tons of people listening to us felt the same, had the

01:10:40.280 same. That's not how you want to look at your president. The answer of whether he can do four

01:10:43.760 more years was being answered just by the behavior and the stumbles. Thanks for calling in. Uh, let's

01:10:48.840 go up North of the border to somebody who is in Canada and that's Ayana. Hi Ayana. What's on your

01:10:54.600 mind? Hi Megan. First of all, I want to say that I love your show and I'm so grateful for you for

01:11:00.480 never being afraid to speak the truth. Um, so thank you for that. And I just want to say on a

01:11:07.560 political level, after witnessing what I witnessed tonight, um, I, I really am going to pray that the

01:11:16.900 American people get out there and vote. And I think it's pretty clear that president Trump is going to

01:11:23.300 be the next president. Uh, if Joe Biden does not, uh, bow out that being said on a human level,

01:11:31.720 I think that this is literally elder abuse. Um, you know, like a lot of people have said,

01:11:38.620 like the caller previous to me said, um, you know, I also lost my grandfather to Alzheimer's and

01:11:44.820 dementia. And before he even spoke tonight, you can see there's this distinct look that,

01:11:52.820 that stare. Um, and I think that it's not even, uh, you know, it's not his fault and I'm talking

01:12:00.200 in a human level. I think, you know, he's, he's a terrible president, but besides that as a mom,

01:12:06.620 as a human being, I think that the real crime here is not Donald Trump. I think the real crime here

01:12:14.240 is that these enablers and that these people that are profiting from him being in office are allowing

01:12:22.660 this man to clearly just be abused. And I think. I agree with you. They won't let, they're not letting

01:12:30.860 him leave with dignity. And if I object, I thought the people around him who are lucid and young and

01:12:36.280 understand, um, really have to do some soul searching about what they've done here. I want to

01:12:41.640 tell the audience, uh, as you were talking, headline comes in from persuasion, a popular

01:12:46.940 digital magazine. The headline is the night the Biden presidency ended. That's very similar to what

01:12:53.020 we've been saying right here on the MK show. Um, let's take another caller, go down to Virginia

01:12:57.040 and Antonia. Antonia, what did you think of the debate? Hey, how's it going, Megan? Thanks so much

01:13:03.380 for taking my call. Uh, first off, I want to say I'm a huge fan. Love your show, girl. You're doing the

01:13:08.460 right thing. I'm glad you're doing this and not the mainstream media stuff anymore. You're rocking

01:13:12.380 it. But that stuff aside, um, I happen to work over here in the five-sided puzzle palace, by the way.

01:13:20.960 Um, I'm stationed here at Arlington. So, uh, I was actually in, um, Qatar and Afghanistan during the

01:13:28.220 Doha peace talks in 2019. And so to walk away from that for my deployment there, and then to see the,

01:13:35.200 um, the bots withdrawal, you know, in, uh, Afghanistan, it was, uh, pretty embarrassing

01:13:42.360 to say the least. And so for the president to either complicitly say that he didn't have anyone,

01:13:50.180 you know, needlessly die in his term, or maybe he just forgot. I don't know. Either way, it's pretty

01:13:56.360 bad. Um, so that, that like blew my mind. And then, um, you know, another, you know, I look at this

01:14:03.120 through the lens of like, uh, national security. I mean, like this, does he sit in on the meetings

01:14:11.080 that we have, like with the NSA and, you know, all, all these really high level classification

01:14:16.600 meetings that generally the commander in chief and his staff are a part of, like, can you imagine

01:14:23.240 the kind of stuff that he gets, uh, you know, told and, you know, I know, look at, look at the

01:14:29.760 way Jill Biden had to speak to him tonight, right? Look at the way his wife is speaking to him. You

01:14:34.040 answered all the questions. And this man is supposed to be in those NSA meetings, understanding the

01:14:40.980 intricate details of our national security portrait and making decisions to protect us and the rest of

01:14:46.380 the world based on them. It's a, it's a deeply alarming evening. Thank you for calling. Thank

01:14:52.600 you for your kind words too. Uh, we got to wrap it up cause we're almost right. We're almost to, uh,

01:14:58.100 the end of the show, but I want to tell you, I appreciate you being here. We're going to be back

01:15:02.400 on the air live as we always are between 12 and two on Sirius XM channel one 11. And we'll also release

01:15:10.620 the podcast and the YouTube, uh, in just a bit later after the show, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly.

01:15:16.380 Tomorrow on the show, we've got Steve Bannon. It's going to be an extraordinary day. I haven't

01:15:21.020 spoken with him ever. He launched quite a bit of attacks against me after the, uh, 2016 election,

01:15:29.440 the 2015 debate. I responded occasionally to him. I wasn't his biggest fan. This will be the first

01:15:36.120 time we've talked. And it's the perfect night because Steve Bannon, as he gets shipped off to

01:15:40.440 jail by this Biden administration knows a thing or two about what they're capable of.

01:15:45.220 And about how to fight them. And if they do not pull Joe Biden, it's going to have to be

01:15:51.040 all hands on deck because he cannot win another term. You know, that in your heart.

01:15:56.420 Thank you for being with us tonight. See you tomorrow.

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 28, 2024

Biden's Disastrous Debate Could Mean the End of His Candidacy, and Presidency, with Lowry, Jashinsky, Rubin, and Bolling ｜ Ep. 825

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