The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Doc Refuses to Talk, Epstein is Dividing MAGA, and David Muir's Wardrobe, with Mark Halperin

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.860 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, an unbelievable event just happening on Capitol Hill.

00:00:50.960 We'll get to what's happening on Epstein. We got to talk about Dr. O'Connor.

00:00:53.940 This is incredible.

00:00:56.840 President Biden's doctor, Kevin O'Connor, just got called to Capitol Hill, where he was supposed to

00:01:06.380 talk to James Comer and his committee about the care he provided for the now former president.

00:01:14.400 And not only at this closed door hearing did he refuse to answer questions based on the doctor-patient

00:01:23.060 privilege, but he asserted his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself as a secondary ground

00:01:30.760 for not answering. His Fifth Amendment ground to not incriminate himself.

00:01:36.520 Joining me now, Mark Halperin. He's the host of Next Up with Mark Halperin on the MK Media Podcast Network.

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00:03:18.380 This is the guy who was treating him throughout the presidency, the guy who was on the receiving end,

00:03:23.420 we believe, of those double-digit visits from neurologists during Biden's last year, which no

00:03:30.100 one bothered to report on in the White House press corps until it was the very end. The guy who would

00:03:37.400 have known about the prostate cancer if anyone knew. And now he gets summoned by James Comer to

00:03:44.920 speak to the committee that's looking into the auto pen, etc. And yeah, I mean, I guess I would

00:03:51.380 have expected doctor-patient privilege as an assertion, though we'll get to Comer's objections

00:03:56.180 as to why that's inappropriate, too. But whoa, the Fifth Amendment against incriminating himself,

00:04:02.240 what's happening here? Well, not adequately explained by his counsel, I would put this in

00:04:07.820 the shocking but not surprising category. They were able to get through the presidency without

00:04:14.480 this guy ever being held accountable. He's not a normal doctor for a normal patient. He's the

00:04:19.580 president's doctor, and he's a doctor to a president who, along with his family and close

00:04:25.580 aides, endangered America by having someone serve who had many moments, we don't know exactly how

00:04:32.220 many, where he wasn't up to doing the job. So Comer has done a much better job framing this the

00:04:37.380 correct way, not as politics, although obviously there are politics here. But we have to get to

00:04:42.200 the bottom of this. This isn't a matter of embarrassing the Bidens. It isn't a matter of

00:04:46.020 violating the president's right to privacy. It's a matter of how can we make sure that this doesn't

00:04:51.240 happen again? And I'll say, he is not a normal doctor with a normal patient. So I think in the

00:04:56.500 end, the Republicans are going to win this fight. But his invocation of the Fifth Amendment, his

00:05:01.400 hiding behind doctor-patient confidentiality, goes to prove what we all suspected, which is they don't

00:05:07.560 want whatever is left of the cover-up to fall apart. They're going to try to keep America from

00:05:12.480 learning the truth. I don't think it'll work. And I'd urge Democrats to join in getting to the bottom

00:05:17.280 of it rather than being on the wrong side of history. This is unbelievable. Now, as a result

00:05:23.200 of him doing this and Comer's jumping up and down about it, we just get this in from Dr. O'Connor's

00:05:29.660 lawyers. They cite the pending DOJ criminal investigation, which they say leaves Dr. O'Connor

00:05:36.760 no choice but to invoke his constitutional rights under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

00:05:41.200 20 questions posted by the committee. We want to emphasize that asserting the Fifth Amendment

00:05:44.700 privilege does not imply that Dr. O'Connor has committed any crime. The pending DOJ investigation

00:05:52.280 took me by surprise. Last I heard, Trump said the DOJ should investigate this. And I don't know that

00:06:01.260 there is a DOJ investigation, and that could matter. But I will say this, either way, if he did nothing

00:06:10.120 wrong, what's the problem? Like, why is Dr. O'Connor genuinely worried about going to prison if he was

00:06:16.100 just providing medical advice and not actually participating in a cover-up? Yeah. Well, in America,

00:06:22.860 we should not challenge people's right to invoke the Fifth Amendment as a matter of law and individual

00:06:29.200 liberty. But this is about political and public accountability. I don't know what crime he might

00:06:35.700 have committed. But I do know that everything we know suggests that he was a central figure

00:06:41.980 in attempting to keep the president's actual condition from the American people. You know,

00:06:48.640 you could take a lot of examples. Either he tested him for cancer and covered up the results,

00:06:54.440 a big problem, or he didn't test him, which doctors will tell you, also a big problem. Either he got him

00:07:01.280 some scans to see what was going on in his brain and didn't release the results or say that they

00:07:06.900 occurred. Or he didn't do it. Either way, a big problem. And this is not a normal patient. So

00:07:13.000 I don't know if he's truly afraid of legal liability. What he's clearly counting on,

00:07:18.060 what the whole Biden operation is counting on, is what they counted on for four years,

00:07:22.120 which is that the press won't cover it. And I'll say, I don't always go reflexively to imagine if the

00:07:27.960 shoe were on the other foot. But imagine if a Republican president was facing these accusations

00:07:32.360 and a doctor took the fifth and had cited patient Dr. Confidentiality. Will this story lead the news

00:07:39.620 tonight on the broadcast networks? Would it be on the front page of the New York Times, the Washington

00:07:43.700 Post? It should. But I doubt that it will. This guy is a doctor, but he's also an American citizen,

00:07:51.040 and he played a massive role in what was a cover-up. I mean, we know for sure that his haircut

00:07:57.600 is a crime for which he should be. Against all humanity, not just those living now, Megan,

00:08:02.720 but our ancestors. Our ancestors, wherever they are, are feeling the pain every time he appears on

00:08:08.840 camera. And so, yes, he needs to be held accountable for that. And the barber, too. I don't think you can

00:08:16.120 let whoever cut the hair off the hook. That person, as well, has some splaining to do.

00:08:21.460 It's a conspiracy. Many were involved, and there were many predicate acts there.

00:08:26.600 And again, the guy in the next barber chair, also, some culpability, some responsibility to turn and

00:08:32.580 say, no, don't leave the chair. The guy's obviously not done. All right, we will drop in a close-up

00:08:40.100 picture of Kevin O'Connor's hair for the viewing audience on YouTube at this point.

00:08:44.080 Um, there's only video of him leaving Comer's office today, uh, because the behind-closed-doors

00:08:50.000 thing was not, here he comes, stand by. There he is. There he is with the glasses. It's a problem.

00:08:56.840 Um, so Comer also put out his own statement after this, and this is what he says. Uh, number one,

00:09:04.460 he says, you can't assert the patient, uh, the doctor-patient privilege, he says, because

00:09:10.120 the D.C. Court of Appeals has made clear that, um, that privilege only limits a physician's

00:09:16.880 ability to disclose confidential patient information in federal courts in D.C. and in

00:09:23.840 the District of Columbia courts, meaning like the state courts in D.C. And Congress is not a court,

00:09:28.380 therefore, you may not assert that privilege. That's compelling. Then he says, second, um,

00:09:34.660 according to the AMA, the American Medical Association's Code of Medical Ethics, he says,

00:09:40.160 it's inapplicable because it's overridden by our subpoena. And he cites medical ethics opinion

00:09:46.280 9.7.1. Physicians who testify as fact witnesses and legal claims involving a patient they have

00:09:53.180 treated must hold the patient's medical interests paramount by protecting the confidentiality that

00:09:57.680 patient's health information, unless the physician is legally compelled to disclose the information.

00:10:05.600 And so that's, that's Comer's point is that you are now legally compelled to disclose the information.

00:10:13.940 And that's why now they're, and I think they know they're going to lose on that mark, which is why

00:10:17.960 they've added fifth and citing what I think is a made up DOJ investigation. We're looking into this

00:10:23.560 right now. We'll know soon, but I think it was just a Trump threat. As far as I know,

00:10:28.260 the DOJ is not actively investigating Kevin O'Connor. It's possible that they got some inquiry

00:10:33.540 from the FBI. I don't, I don't know factually, but you're right. We should know that, you know,

00:10:37.520 they also in their statement, uh, hid behind president Trump's invocation of the fifth in the,

00:10:42.240 um, case in New York with Letitia James. I'll say again, this was a four-year coverup.

00:10:48.780 Um, they, they, it was not about a small matter. It was about the, the ability of the United States

00:10:54.180 to be, to function properly. And I think they can continue to try to use every legal and political

00:11:00.480 and media trick possible to keep from explaining what happened, or they can get on the right side

00:11:06.560 of history and explain it. But we've got more people coming in. A lot of the political aides are

00:11:12.600 scheduled as well. They obviously don't have doctor patient. Maybe they'll invoke the fifth as well.

00:11:17.160 Maybe they'll try to give clever, cute answers, but this doctor is essential to the thing. And,

00:11:22.080 and, and I think that, uh, you, we can't, he can't be stopped from invoking the fifth,

00:11:26.380 obviously, but he can be put in sharp relief in a public hearing and ask questions that I think

00:11:32.320 the American people would be find reasonable, which is how did he care for not just his patient,

00:11:37.420 but for the public interest as the person who basically by putting out an annual statement

00:11:41.960 certified that Joe Biden had no cognitive decline. And, and, and we know that's not true.

00:11:48.340 So now Comer, uh, gets him behind closed doors. Again, the haircut, it's the short for the listening

00:11:54.420 audience. It's the short bangs, like the serial killer bangs that come just mid forehead.

00:12:01.500 They're not even totally even, but they're disturbingly short with like a bowl cut after that.

00:12:07.420 I don't know what's going on there, but it does speak to the man's terrible judgment.

00:12:11.140 Yeah. Do you know those restaurants where you eat in the dark, where you're supposed to like

00:12:14.200 have the sense of the food without seeing it. I feel like maybe he goes to one of those barbers

00:12:18.080 where the lights are all off. And so the barbers just got to feel their way through how to cut the

00:12:23.220 hair. It's also one of those situations like where you go to one of those restaurants and you go to

00:12:27.160 the bathroom and it's absolutely disgusting and not clean at all. Then you're like, I got to get out of

00:12:32.480 here. When you walk in, you see your physician with that hair, you got to turn around. You got to walk out.

00:12:36.700 There's a level of care that's not present in his own daily routine. And you shouldn't subject

00:12:41.780 yourself to this man. Here's what Comer asked him. These are the two questions he asked.

00:12:47.000 He said, I'm going to read the first two questions that were asked. This is Comer speaking to the

00:12:50.720 press right after quote, were you ever told to lie about the president's health? He pleaded the

00:12:57.800 fifth amendment. He would not answer that question. The second question, did you ever believe

00:13:02.740 president Biden was unfit to execute his duty? And he again, pleaded the fifth Comer says this is

00:13:11.100 unprecedented. And I think this adds more fuel to the fire that there was a cover up here. This was,

00:13:18.020 we learned from, um, from, uh, the tapper Thompson book that Dr. O'Connor was allegedly behind the

00:13:28.760 scenes trying to get Joe Biden more rest. He quipped that Biden's staff were trying to kill him

00:13:36.000 while Dr. O'Connor was trying to keep him alive. Given Biden's age, Dr. O'Connor also privately said

00:13:42.400 that if he had another bad fall, a wheelchair might be necessary for what could be a difficult

00:13:46.940 recovery, but the AIDS didn't want that while he was running. And he told others that he did not

00:13:52.360 believe the science required him to do a cognitive test on Biden in connection with this annual

00:13:58.360 physical. He saw the president frequently. And if he had reason for concern, he would have performed

00:14:04.320 one. Ultimately Joe Biden's political advisors are great. Oh, I'm sure it was a real arm twist,

00:14:08.860 but this is Jill Biden's guy. Remember he, he, isn't he super like Jill picked him Joe. There

00:14:14.280 was the secret service agent, but this guy too, I think is close with Jill Biden and has a loyalty

00:14:20.160 to the Biden's as opposed to, to the country from the sound of it. Well, all presidents choose as

00:14:26.260 their white ass position, someone they're comfortable with, but I, you know, I know, I know you're not

00:14:30.980 guilty of this, but I think too much of the press is acting as if there's some mystery here about what

00:14:37.180 the guy did. Now, some of the details are mystery and, and who exactly was in charge is a mystery,

00:14:42.420 but there's no mystery here. He didn't ever answer questions from the press. And, and he either,

00:14:49.440 as I said before, he either performed tests and lied about whether they were performed and didn't

00:14:52.900 disclose the results or he didn't perform them. Whereas it doesn't make any sense not to have had

00:14:58.480 brain scans. It doesn't make any sense not to have had cancer tests. So I, I don't, I don't know,

00:15:03.940 as I said before, I don't know what crime he might be guilty of, but I do know that he's abusing the

00:15:09.180 public trust. And after four years of participating in the coverup and arguably the central figure,

00:15:15.500 because he is a doctor and he does have a responsibility both to his patient and the

00:15:19.620 public interest. I think, I just think it's, it's, it's, it's hard to me to see how he's going to

00:15:24.880 sustain this unless the coverup was even more insidious than we knew it to be. In other words,

00:15:30.500 one thing that hasn't been acknowledged by anybody on the inside, and he'd be considered on the inside

00:15:35.960 is that they knew how bad it was and they covered it up. Their premise is we didn't really know

00:15:41.400 if, if, if, if, if, if it went that far again, I don't know that that's a crime,

00:15:46.340 but it's a political crime and it's a policy crime. And it's a, it's an irresponsible action

00:15:51.700 for a doctor who's supposed to have a obligation to the American people to have done.

00:15:55.600 Well, but here's the, here's the, the truth. No, one's looking to put Dr. O'Connor in jail,

00:16:01.900 not Comer, not the DOJ. By the way, we did find out on June 4th, the white house released a memo

00:16:08.280 directing the council to the president and the attorney general to conduct an investigation

00:16:12.440 to determine whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the public about Biden's

00:16:16.780 mental state and unconstitutionally exercise the authorities and responsibilities of the president.

00:16:20.900 And, um, a subpoena was issued in June, possibly. I, I don't know if that means to Dr. O'Connor.

00:16:27.040 So the president did direct DOJ and counsel to the president to conduct an investigation. But my

00:16:32.100 point is simply the odds of the DOJ and certainly Comer and the U S Congress giving Dr. O'Connor

00:16:40.080 immunity to remove his ability to raise the fifth amendment are very high. That's probably,

00:16:46.500 yeah, that's almost certainly what they're going to do. Trump doesn't want to put Dr. O'Connor behind

00:16:50.780 bars. He wants answers. And once you remove the fifth amendment privilege, and it looks like he's

00:16:56.680 going to lose the doctor patient privilege because it has an exception to it. Um, meaning if you've

00:17:02.500 gotten a lawful subpoena to testify, and of course we've seen that in medical malpractice cases, you

00:17:07.480 cannot just maintain Dr. Patient confidentiality to the death. You get a lawful subpoena to appear in a

00:17:12.780 courtroom about what you did or said, you're going to have to breach it. Uh, this guy's going to be

00:17:17.220 forced to talk at some point, Mark, and then we're going to learn what he's so concerned about.

00:17:22.260 Yeah. I mean, it's important that the committee, and again, I'd urge the Democrats in the committee

00:17:26.440 to join in, keep focused on the public policy question, which is vital for the country.

00:17:31.160 We can't have another situation where a president suffers cognitive decline right before our eyes

00:17:36.040 and the media and the Democrats pretend it's not happening. They just can't let that happen again.

00:17:41.400 So I agree that he's not going to go to prison, but look at what they're doing. They're playing

00:17:46.320 the normal card. Trump did it too. Trump is trying to improperly investigate us. They're trying to get

00:17:52.920 the Democrat or the media rather to go back to their reflexive defense of the coverup. And it's

00:17:59.620 going to be interesting to see, as I said, how this is covered because the press has kind of

00:18:04.340 acknowledged the coverup kind of not fully. So if you acknowledge the coverup and then the coverups

00:18:10.840 being sustained under a lawful subpoena by the majority in the House, I don't know how the

00:18:15.380 press can treat that like a small story or an insignificant step, but I'm skeptical. We'll see

00:18:20.280 in the coming hours how it gets treated.

00:18:22.980 I asked my team to pull this. I believe it was the New York Post that broke the story of

00:18:29.140 the neurologist visiting the White House. Yeah.

00:18:31.860 Almost double digits leading into the summer. This came out the summer, this time last year,

00:18:38.020 just a little bit more than 12 months ago when Biden was hanging by a thread after that debate

00:18:44.400 and all the press corps suddenly got really interested in his mental well-being. The Post

00:18:49.960 had been interested prior to, but they reported, they broke the story on July 6th. Yeah. So almost

00:18:55.220 exactly a year, um, about the fact that Biden's physician, Kevin O'Connor met with a Parkinson's

00:19:03.920 disease specialist in the White House. And then the New York times followed thereafter. And the report

00:19:10.240 was that an expert on Parkinson's disease from Walter Reed national military medical center visited the

00:19:15.800 White House eight times in eight months from the summer of 23 through spring of 24, including at least

00:19:23.660 once for a meeting with president Biden's physician, Dr. Kevin O'Connor, the expert who came, Dr. Kevin

00:19:29.680 Canard is a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders and recently published a paper on

00:19:36.840 Parkinson's, by the way, not for nothing, but this, this came up when I sat with the New York times and

00:19:41.680 Lulu Garcia Navarro and I were having our tête-à-tête about, you know, how you can't trust these

00:19:46.900 podcasters to tell you the truth. And there's no system. And I was like, Oh, but we can trust the

00:19:51.640 New York times. And I said, they cut this out, but I said, where was Peter Baker and the report that a

00:19:57.020 neurologist had, had visited the White House eight times or 10 times over the course of the prior year

00:20:02.220 that finally he got his name on it after the New York post broke it one year ago today, but nowhere he

00:20:08.600 had no interest. He wasn't checking the logs. He didn't care about Biden's mental acuity. He had another

00:20:13.140 press failure. Your thoughts. Yeah. Um, so I say again, if the president was not being seen by a

00:20:21.000 Parkinson's expert, O'Connor should be stripped of his medical license. Of course he should have been

00:20:25.920 seen by a Parkinson's expert. And of course he should have been having regular brain scans to see

00:20:31.400 what was going on. So this is, this is where, uh, the, they're kind of checkmated because they

00:20:38.440 either didn't do these things and it's malpractice because the president clearly needed as, as a

00:20:45.220 father and as a grandfather and as a husband, as a human being, he needed the treatment that you or

00:20:50.620 I would get for our dad. If they had this, they had those symptoms and behavior. And if they did do

00:20:57.460 them, which according to this reporting, they did, what were the results? Why was he there? They act as

00:21:02.720 if this is some private citizen Biden who's entitled to his medical privacy, the way private citizens are.

00:21:08.440 If the president of the United States is being seen by a Parkinson's expert, which it appears

00:21:13.540 happened, maybe not, but it appears it did. And it should have, that should be disclosed. And the

00:21:18.760 results should be disclosed. If the president is exhibiting the symptoms that this president did

00:21:23.880 nearly every Parkinson's doctor you've talked to. And I've talked to has said, not my patient, but I have

00:21:30.060 a C-SPAN subscription. I've seen how he's behaving. He needed a full battery of tests and that should be

00:21:35.800 disclosed. Fundamentally, it makes a mockery of the annual release of the note from the president's doctor

00:21:42.800 if the thing is filled with lies and incomplete descriptions about how he was being treated and what

00:21:49.460 conditions he has.

00:21:50.840 Mm hmm. It's it's by the way, let's slap a subpoena on this Dr. Kevin Kennard. He's up next. Interesting last name.

00:21:56.720 Um, yeah, we'll slap a subpoena on him and let's see if he's as loyal to the president or, you know,

00:22:02.260 whether he's willing to come forward and give testimony to James Comer understanding. Maybe

00:22:06.460 he'll say, I did nothing wrong. I don't have to assert any privilege whatsoever. Let me tell you

00:22:10.760 everything that happened. I've been waiting for you to call, but I'm sure Comer's in the process of

00:22:14.360 doing that. You're absolutely right. It's look, it's not like they're randomly choosing Megan

00:22:18.920 Kelly and saying, I want all the results from your latest GYN exam, right? Like that's a what?

00:22:23.640 Okay. If you're a president and then you show obvious cognitive decline that it was on a

00:22:30.260 presidential debate stage, forget all the evidence we have leading into that moment for all the world

00:22:35.120 to see, we are entitled to go back and ask whether you were okay, what, what decisions you made and

00:22:42.460 what your mental capacity was at the time that you were making them. We're still living with the

00:22:46.940 consequences. A lot of a lot of those decisions. So this is a game you're right. They're not going

00:22:51.100 to win it. Comer's going to play the long game. I'm sure he's going to get these objections overruled

00:22:55.320 bit by bit. And we will know, we will know what happened to Joe Biden. And it's not even,

00:22:59.540 you know, we're focusing on the mental acuity, but you know, there's the matter of the prostate

00:23:02.880 cancer. It appears that the sitting president of the United States had advanced cancer while he was

00:23:08.360 running for reelection, trying to say he he'd have another four years. And for all we know at that

00:23:14.080 point, maybe it had already metastasized to his bones. Who knows what the prognosis was?

00:23:19.160 Somebody does know just you and I aren't among them. Yeah. And, and the excuse that, that, um,

00:23:25.640 was made when this became an issue a few weeks ago was men his age typically don't get the tests

00:23:32.140 because sometimes they're false positives and it brings up questions of treatment and anxiety.

00:23:38.400 He's not a normal president, not normal person. He's a president. And as you said, running for

00:23:43.060 election. So if they really didn't test him, I would say that's malpractice truly. And if they

00:23:49.320 did test him and they're lying about the results, also a problem. And I don't, I, it doesn't really

00:23:53.960 matter which it is. The reality is experts will tell you he has an advanced stage. It should have

00:23:59.860 been detected earlier. And if it wasn't again, shame on the doctor for saying, well, we're not going to do

00:24:05.360 the test because he's, it's normal not to at someone his age. He's the president. He's running

00:24:10.240 for reelection. The president of the United States has advanced cancer. That's a national crisis. It's

00:24:16.000 not, it's not some private personal matter. And it's not the same as Trump with his flippant,

00:24:23.720 you know, he's the greatest, most in shape president of all time. Dr. Memos, which are kind of a laugh,

00:24:29.880 but he does take a cognitive test. And if Trump showed signs, repeated obvious signs of cognitive

00:24:36.380 decline, or it came out that he had advanced cancer, there would be an inquiry by Democrats too,

00:24:43.860 on what actually went on in those meetings, what tests were conducted. Now we want actual results and

00:24:50.380 you can bet his lawyer, his doctor too, would get a subpoena that they'd have to respond to.

00:24:53.720 Yeah. I don't love Donald Trump's history of medical disclosure, including those buffoonish

00:24:59.540 over the top letters. Although I will say that last disclosure from the White House was much fuller

00:25:04.880 than what Joe Biden had put out in terms of stats and data. It should be more complete. This is a

00:25:12.220 problem. I've seen it my whole career. There's been one reporter in my career, Dr. Lawrence K. Altman of

00:25:19.580 the New York Times, who's really dug into this with candidates and presidents and tried to hold

00:25:24.540 them accountable. And it's a big problem, which I've long said, on days when the president's going

00:25:30.340 to, the doctor's going to brief or the press secretary is going to brief, every White House

00:25:34.360 political, because they're all political reporters, should be subbed out and the health reporters

00:25:39.640 should go. Because political reporters shouldn't be asking the White House press secretary or the

00:25:45.500 White House doctor medical questions. They don't have the expertise to do it. And so the Biden thing

00:25:51.160 is the extreme case. But there hasn't been a single president or presidential candidate in my career

00:25:56.020 who has sufficiently safeguarded the public interest by having much more disclosure than they do. And

00:26:03.180 that's up to the news organizations to safeguard the public in the spirit of Dr. Altman of the New York

00:26:08.240 Times to really understand the questions to be asked and to ask them repeatedly and to demand

00:26:13.620 answers, because there's nothing, literally nothing more important to understand whether

00:26:17.560 the person's up to doing the job. Yeah. And look, they're going to get Jill Biden is going to get

00:26:23.080 a subpoena. Joe Biden could get one. We'll see. But those around Joe Biden on the inner circle,

00:26:28.800 Donalyn and the others who were running cover for him are all getting subpoenaed. And like, again,

00:26:36.860 the only one I think President Trump and the Comer are genuinely issued or interested in the truth,

00:26:42.440 not in putting people behind bars. I'm sure Trump wouldn't mind seeing some of these people go

00:26:46.440 behind bars, given what was done to him. But if they give immunity to all of these people,

00:26:50.920 then they can't hide behind that, you know, the Fifth Amendment anymore. So this is going to be an

00:26:56.980 interesting one to follow. It's fascinating to see the first one on deck. Dr. Kevin O'Connor

00:27:02.240 immediately assert the fifth in response to two very anodyne questions that anybody should be able to

00:27:08.300 answer without much concern. Again, were you ever told to lie about the president's health?

00:27:13.040 And did you ever believe President Biden was unfit to execute his duty? That was all going down

00:27:18.840 about 365 days ago. As long as we're there, Mark Halperin, let me ask you about another piece of

00:27:25.160 news that just came out from that same time period. Kamala Harris. I remember we reported on this at the

00:27:31.020 time, but I don't think we had the tape. She went on a podcast, you know, she decided to dip a toe

00:27:37.740 into the podcast world. She went on with that vulgar sex podcaster, and they had a real heart to heart

00:27:43.540 about how much they both love abortion. And she was given an invitation to go on Joe Rogan, which she was

00:27:49.160 too afraid to accept. And then she swung by Subway Takes, hosted by Kareem Rama. And apparently,

00:27:58.760 it went so poorly that he did not release it. And he was a Kamala supporter. He was thrilled

00:28:06.140 that she swung by. And he thought, at worst case scenario, I can say I interviewed the sitting

00:28:10.940 vice president, the possible next president, show a picture to my kids. And he, Kareem, just sat down

00:28:17.100 with Forbes editor, with a Forbes editor, and spoke to what happened in this interview that was so

00:28:24.060 disastrous. He never aired it. Look at this, SOT7.

00:28:28.640 Her take was really confusing and weird and not good. And so, mutually agreed that we shouldn't

00:28:35.580 publish it.

00:28:36.200 I see.

00:28:36.660 And I got lucky, because I didn't want to be blamed for her losing.

00:28:41.540 Her take was that bad?

00:28:42.700 It was really, really bad. And it was, it was like, didn't make any sense. Bacon is a spice.

00:28:48.420 Bacon is a spice.

00:28:49.400 Bacon is a spice.

00:28:50.120 Bacon is a spice.

00:28:50.500 Do you think that was her opinion? You think she had like a research group trying to figure

00:28:53.360 something that's going to work?

00:28:53.960 Research group. Because originally the take that I was pitched was great. And it was that she does

00:29:00.520 not like to take her shoes off on airplanes. And then at the last minute, I think research group

00:29:05.740 said, this makes you look rich and snobby. And you need to appeal to the American people. So she

00:29:13.080 went with the bacon. And I tried to pause the interview and say, trust me, we shouldn't do the

00:29:18.480 bacon thing. And I was overrided by this guy, who was maybe her deputy campaign manager.

00:29:25.560 An hour later, I got a call that said, we can't do bacon. But then I tried to cut it

00:29:31.660 into something else. And I did make it work. And then they were like, this makes her look.

00:29:36.580 And I said, whose fault is that?

00:29:40.420 We, we can't trust me. We can't do bacon, Mark.

00:29:44.000 Megan, how bad would this interview have to go for you guys to just kill it out?

00:29:51.140 I don't think it's ever happened.

00:29:51.860 This isn't going well. Let's kill it out. You know, my, my sort of signature line about

00:29:57.820 Kamala Harris is she does not like to make difficult decisions under pressure. And you

00:30:02.300 saw that as vice president. You saw that as a presidential candidate.

00:30:04.460 This was a tough one.

00:30:05.760 Yeah. But it's like difficult decision under pressure. Bacon as a spice. The host tells you

00:30:10.140 don't do it. And you still like agonize over it. And, or, and the first one before that,

00:30:15.240 don't, don't underestimate her, you know, cause she also had to decide, do I stick with,

00:30:19.060 it's a hassle to take off my shoes, getting onto the airplane. Like something that now has been

00:30:22.920 universally accepted as Trump reverses that through his TSA. She would have been ahead of the curve.

00:30:27.560 Was it shoes through TSA or was it shoes on the plane? I thought it was shoes on the plane.

00:30:31.300 Maybe I miss her either way, either way, it's an issue. I, I, I bet you there are a lot more

00:30:39.220 stories about this because as we saw throughout the campaign, we saw this with the endless Rogan

00:30:43.340 negotiations. Like they were afraid to put her in situations. This is why when people say, oh,

00:30:48.900 she was such a good candidate. There's only, if she hadn't been such a great candidate, you know,

00:30:52.400 she couldn't have turned things around in 90 days. She's not a good candidate. She didn't perform

00:30:56.860 as a good candidate. And they knew that because they had to negotiate, you know, Trump's like,

00:31:01.060 somebody says, yeah, go do Rogan or go do, um, what's his name? The comedian who's been on your

00:31:06.280 show. Is that, uh, Theo Vaughn? No. Oh, Andrew Schultz. Andrew Schultz. Go do Andrew. Trump's would be

00:31:12.700 like, yeah, let's go. I'll stay for four hours. And, and, and, and her team is like, what's, what's the,

00:31:18.080 what size is the table going to be? What, what temperature will the water be? Uh, what questions will you ask?

00:31:22.480 Can we edit it? Like all these hyper controlling things and to have her spend time doing a podcast

00:31:28.920 and it's so bad. It can't be aired. Maybe that's happened in American history. It might've happened

00:31:33.780 to Monroe, but I doubt it. She wait. Oh, she, I guess Schultz asked her, but she declined. Of course.

00:31:43.900 Yeah. What a shock. Of course. Yeah. So, but think about it, like of all the inanities out there,

00:31:49.220 like you can't make your case about bacon in a compelling way. Like even I could make the case

00:31:55.700 that you could use bacon as a spice. I mean, I wouldn't argue this, but if I had to in a court

00:32:00.140 of law, you know, or like model UN style where you're, you're not given a choice. This is what

00:32:03.800 you're arguing. I would say they, they dry it up. They chop it up. They put it in one of those spice

00:32:07.960 looking shakers. People shake it on their salad. It's even a commercial. It's I've seen it in commercials

00:32:13.240 being shaken on a cell. You could make the case if you had to. When I was a child, there was a thing

00:32:18.080 called Baco's that probably didn't actually have bacon in it. Um, I, I can only imagine what

00:32:24.720 Bobby Kennedy would say about the ingredients of Baco's, but, um, but yeah, of course you could

00:32:29.840 argue that, but, but the point is you're going on some podcasts, your staff should have researched

00:32:34.880 it and you should be swaggering in and killing it rather than having the, rather than having the

00:32:39.980 segment actually killed because you can't perform well enough. It's just, it's, it's, it's why I say

00:32:45.560 like, you know, as, uh, as Bill Clinton once said about Mitt Romney, that person should not have a

00:32:51.420 job that requires them to speak in public. And I think the same thing applies to her. Uh, if it's,

00:32:57.240 if it's a pressure situation and I, I confess, I don't know the format of this show, uh, that she

00:33:02.500 went on, but it sounds like they shouldn't have gone into it without being confident that she could

00:33:06.900 master it. And it sounds like she couldn't. And by the way, she picked the subject. That's

00:33:11.880 what's so crazy about it. That's his whole point. Like they had to settled on the shoes thing. Then

00:33:15.640 she thought it would make her look too elitist because she was trying to tell us all she had

00:33:18.900 jobs at McDonald's, which was under scrutiny of course. And now she doesn't want to look like

00:33:23.840 the child of privilege that she was. And so she switches to bacon as a spice. She chooses bacon as a

00:33:29.480 spice. She can't make her own argument. She's so inept at it that they have to cut it out of

00:33:34.760 subway takes a fun, lighthearted show where you're supposed to just go on and show that you're,

00:33:39.640 you can be a fun person. I sort of, I sort of loved that host attitude as he explained the tragedy

00:33:45.040 that he didn't want to be blamed for her losing and her performance was so bad. He thought it would

00:33:48.880 lead in a linear way to 270 electoral votes from Donald Trump if he had pressed, if he had pressed

00:33:53.960 send and uploaded it. So I sort of enjoyed that. And now I kind of want to go on that show.

00:33:58.940 Yeah. The tragedy it was, he did seem to really feel this one.

00:34:04.240 Deeply. Deeply. Deeply. It's not good. Trust me. It's not good.

00:34:10.580 It was hard. Now he has to release the tape. Now my only goal in life is to actually see the actual

00:34:17.720 tape. Ask your sound engineer to invoke the brotherhood and sisterhood of sound engineers

00:34:23.000 and see if we can't create the world exclusive on that.

00:34:25.980 Yes. I mean, like it, you know, it'd be like some of those ditty tapes. We don't have to say

00:34:31.160 where they came from. We don't have to be explicit. It could be someone went rogue.

00:34:34.940 And let's crank up the AI or finger puppets. Cause I don't want just the audio. I want,

00:34:39.360 I want to see something.

00:34:41.420 Maybe it'll be my next parody, Mark. You can play, you can play the podcaster and I'll play

00:34:45.820 Kamala Harris.

00:34:46.320 We could, we could do it in the next segment. We could do, you'd be, I'll be the podcaster and

00:34:50.360 you explained to me bacon as a spice in a way so inept that the fit, the host who was sympathetic

00:34:55.120 to her said it would eliminate her chances of getting to 270 electoral votes. Had it ever,

00:35:00.160 had it ever been uploaded to Spotify.

00:35:02.560 It's really unbelievable. Okay. Wait, I'm loving this, this walk down memory lane. There's,

00:35:07.560 there's more news from this same timeframe. Can you believe it was only 12 months ago,

00:35:11.760 where there's yet another book out on Joe Biden and his mental decline.

00:35:18.880 And this book is by Josh Dossie of the Washington post and two others who were formerly at the

00:35:22.880 Washington post. And this book talks about how I think it was Dossie. One of the three

00:35:28.140 got the phone number of Joe Biden managed to get the cell number of Joe Biden. Meanwhile,

00:35:34.580 Trump gives his cell phone number out to like everybody. It was funny. It was about,

00:35:38.920 I don't know, a year and a half ago, Dan Bongino was on the show and he's talking about how

00:35:41.700 he's, he talks to the president on the cell phone all the time. He's like, yeah,

00:35:44.720 you probably have it. You know, I was like, no, no, it's, it's scrawled on the wall of every

00:35:49.120 cracker barrel South of the Mason Dixon line. Well, now Trump and I are in touch via cell,

00:35:54.640 but at the time we weren't, I was last to the party. Anyway, he's very easy to give it out.

00:36:00.680 He wants to talk to the press. He wants to talk to everybody. Joe Biden, completely the opposite.

00:36:05.180 Kamala Harris, completely the opposite, but really there was reason for Joe Biden's aides to not let

00:36:10.280 him be too easily accessible. And so he, he gets the number somehow. He doesn't reveal how,

00:36:17.300 and he writes about how this past March, March of 2025, after Joe Biden's left office,

00:36:23.240 Donald Trump has been sworn in. He calls him up and says, I'd like to talk to you.

00:36:27.620 And Joe Biden says, all right, well, I'm, I'm busy now, but you know, call me back and we'll talk.

00:36:31.920 So he did, he called him back and they had a very quick conversation as Joe Biden was leaving for the

00:36:37.480 train or something like that about how things were going. My team, can you guys help me out?

00:36:42.560 What page is this on in the packet? Cause I want to get the actual back and forth on how it went.

00:36:46.240 Um, Oh, here it is. Page five. I think it's, I think it's Tyler Pager, not Josh Dossie.

00:36:50.820 He was one of the coauthors, Tyler Pager. Yeah, you're right. It's Tyler Pager. Okay. So, uh, let's see.

00:36:58.500 Yes. Tyler Pager writes as follows. So he said, he'd be willing to speak for the book the next day,

00:37:03.380 the next morning he answered and said he was running late to catch a train. He said he had

00:37:07.200 a very negative view of Trump's second term. I don't see anything he's done. That's been

00:37:11.300 productive. He said, asked if he had any regrets about dropping out of the presidential race. He

00:37:15.820 said, no, not now. I don't spend a lot of time on regrets. He quickly hung up to get on the train.

00:37:21.520 Listen to this. After the first call, the book continues furious Biden aides repeatedly called

00:37:28.620 and texted Tyler Pager. After the brief second call, his aides blocked the reporter's calls

00:37:34.620 to the former president. Two days later, a message from Verizon wireless replaced Biden's voicemail

00:37:41.360 message with the number you dialed has been changed, disconnected, or is no longer in service.

00:37:47.460 They were that upset that one Washington post reporter. It's not like Megan Kelly got the number

00:37:55.440 had managed to break through the fortress and speak with the now former president that they

00:38:03.080 actually changed. It sounds like the president's cell phone number. Well, and of course, contrast to

00:38:10.200 the fact that, as you said, you're the last reporter in the world who had Donald Trump cell

00:38:14.020 number and he picks up all the time or calls people all the time. The, the, the posture that the

00:38:20.000 communications staff around Joe Biden had and has now apparently was to protect him and to keep him

00:38:27.200 from talking. And, and they hid behind this fiction that it was about, you know, he's, you know, he

00:38:31.720 always had what was called, uh, impolitely diarrhea of the mouth. He was never a safe bet to be free

00:38:38.800 and in talking to reporters without supervision, but that was before his cognitive decline. And again,

00:38:44.460 it's testament to the palace guard, uh, determination that allowed them to their professional credit in

00:38:52.500 some ways to get the guy through four years, even though the cognitive decline began before he even

00:38:56.900 took the oath of office in 2021, uh, they made it through because they browbeat reporters. And, you

00:39:04.160 know, I laugh when people who work for politicians call me and say, how dare you ask my boss a question?

00:39:10.300 I laugh and say, that's my job. And it's their job to decide whether they want to answer or not.

00:39:14.540 If you think your job is to try to stop me, good luck to you. But that was the posture of the Biden

00:39:19.000 folks. And I, I think they're right to highlight in the book that the extreme measures they took

00:39:23.860 to keep the reporter from trying to ask Joe Biden questions. Okay. So meanwhile, staying in the same

00:39:31.020 timeframe, um, Selena Zito's out with her new book, Butler. Uh, and it's a great book, highly recommend,

00:39:38.100 and it's already doing very well. And it takes a look at what happened at Butler. It takes a look

00:39:42.280 at the shooter, Thomas Crooks, and why we don't know more about him and takes a look at Selena's

00:39:47.220 bird's eye view from the whole thing. She was steps away from the president when he got shot.

00:39:51.400 And what was in the news yesterday was a report that these Democrats are now so determined to stop

00:39:59.800 Trump and to get themselves in the news as like fighters and also cool that they are actually

00:40:07.940 saying someone needs to get shot. Someone needs to go to one of these like ice facilities, these

00:40:13.020 detention facilities and get so in the face of ice or the guards who are on duty that they meaning a

00:40:19.240 democratic lawmaker, this is Democrats saying this actually get shot, which I would suggest to you

00:40:24.880 is inspired by in a weird, sick, warped way, what we saw in Butler because the Democrats went into

00:40:32.480 total denial that, that it had even happened when we saw Trump get shot and then rise up with the

00:40:40.320 fight, fight, fight in an extraordinary moment. They remember all the truthers on the, on the Trump

00:40:46.460 shooting, Joy Reid, Olbermann, there were, there were people you didn't even expect people who are more

00:40:52.460 mainstream who are like, uh, I don't believe it. You know, like I actually want to see the injury

00:40:56.720 who are pretending that the whole thing was made up. And now they've morphed all this time later

00:41:01.440 after it's been confirmed by the FBI. It was the Joe Biden FBI, um, that confirmed Trump had been

00:41:07.500 shot in the ear and so on. Now they have to accept that it happened and now he's won. And they see that

00:41:12.660 obviously the way he handled it and all of it propelled him to even more popular status. Now they're like,

00:41:18.880 someone needs to take a bullet. That's what's real. That's what's strong. And so Mark, just further

00:41:25.920 proof that they've lost their minds. Yeah. So I think there's two things about Trump derangement

00:41:32.020 syndrome that, that are a little bit seeming in contradiction. One is I think we shouldn't use it

00:41:37.460 promiscuously. We shouldn't attribute any opposition to Donald Trump to, we shouldn't attribute it to Trump

00:41:42.820 derangement syndrome because sometimes there's principled opposition that that's not deranged. But the

00:41:48.360 other thing is, I don't think we've sufficiently understood the extent to which that is in the

00:41:54.180 minds of so many Democrats, both prominent Democrats and rank and file Democrats, that truly a

00:41:59.940 phenomenon that causes them to say and do things that not only, um, are, are over the top, but are

00:42:06.900 actually helpful to Donald Trump. And this is another example of that. Uh, you'd have to have severe

00:42:12.880 Trump derangement syndrome to say, well, look how much being shot helped Trump. So we need to try

00:42:18.280 that ourselves. And yet again, that's, that's, that, that is unfortunately for the Democrats.

00:42:23.520 And I think for America, the, the point of view of far too many, I don't know, there was a blind

00:42:27.820 quote who knows, you know, how pervasive that sentiment is or who, well, they are getting aggressive

00:42:32.400 at ice detention facilities. Yeah, they are. Yeah. That was in lawmakers, but it was, it was

00:42:37.640 opponents of the president's policy. Oh, Oh, I see what you're saying. I think you meant the thing in

00:42:41.760 Texas the other day. Yeah, no, they have been aggressive. I think, I think that, uh, and,

00:42:46.460 and Selena, I talked about this on next up, but the, the, uh, well, besides denying he was shot

00:42:52.820 besides trying to, you know, memory hole it and not cover it, you know, very much besides showing a

00:42:58.400 total lack of curiosity about the motive of the shooter. They also, again, uh, act as if, uh,

00:43:06.800 Donald Trump, uh, you know, either did this on purpose or was exploiting it in some way that

00:43:11.440 was improper. Just, just the former president of the United States was shot and, and, and they can't

00:43:17.340 bring themselves to do anything, but be confounded by it as opposed to concerned about it or sympathetic

00:43:22.840 about it. And it's, again, it's a, it's another manifestation of Trump derangement syndrome.

00:43:26.620 That's, that's not good for anybody except maybe Donald Trump.

00:43:29.620 It, what was so hard about the Trump assassination attempt for them wasn't even that he got shot.

00:43:36.900 It was how he handled it. Yeah. It was a superhero moment. It just was like, it's the way every,

00:43:45.060 I don't know about every woman, but every man on earth, it's the way they hope they would react

00:43:51.040 if God forbid that this happened to them, you know, with strength and defiance and dignity.

00:43:57.720 And as a leader and keeping the crowd calm, all of it, it was superhero. It was superhuman real life

00:44:05.260 Rambo. And that's why they can't stand it. That's why they went into it's, it's not real. He faked it.

00:44:13.640 You know, he, he's not injured. The ear thing is fake and they're still reeling because he actually

00:44:19.460 won the presidency. I don't know. I heard you talking about this on your show and it was

00:44:23.500 just how profound that moment was and how the remnants of it, you know, the consequences of

00:44:28.880 it are still very much lingering, you know, with the Trump loyalists and with his greatest detractors

00:44:34.820 both camps for sure. Um, okay. So that's Butler, but out of Butler, he attracted a brand new and

00:44:47.220 very important friend and that was Elon Musk. Now Elon Musk, um, is now a frenemy or maybe true

00:44:55.100 enemy. I don't know which one, but not really friend of president Trump's anymore. The breakup

00:45:00.400 feels real. Um, after some like sniffing around about maybe we're going to make up, it seems like

00:45:05.720 they're, they're not making up. He was out there just the other day. Of course he tweeted that Trump

00:45:09.620 was on the Epstein list and then said he regretted tweeting that. And then he tweeted, tweeted that Bannon

00:45:14.040 was, is on the Epstein list and then said Bannon's going to be in jail. And now Bannon is out there

00:45:19.260 today. Linda Yaccarino announced this morning, she's resigning from X, the CEO for the past two

00:45:24.080 years. And Bannon saying she's going to go to jail too. So it's like a war between these guys. Um,

00:45:30.620 what would she go to jail? Not only she's not going to jail, but Bannon is not only angry at

00:45:36.260 Moscow, but, but Musk has formed this third party, the America party. And the conventional wisdom

00:45:42.380 is that this is only going to hurt Republicans. And I think he means it to hurt Republicans.

00:45:46.000 He's very angry at the Republicans who voted for the one big, beautiful bill after running for office

00:45:51.020 saying that they'd be fiscal conservatives and that they didn't want to increase, increase the

00:45:55.020 deficit or the debt. And, um, Harry Anton over at CNN, their data guru guy took a look at Musk and

00:46:03.240 this third party. And here's what he had to say about it. Saw three. This entire thing makes very

00:46:08.880 little sense to me. It makes about as much sense as selling sand in the desert. What is the size

00:46:13.360 of Elon Musk's base? Well, I calculated to be about 4%, just 4%, one, two, three, four percent of all

00:46:20.560 voters. What is that base made up of? Well, it's those who view Elon Musk favorably and the GOP

00:46:25.620 unfavorably. We're talking just about 4% of all voters out there because it turns out most of the

00:46:31.120 people who like Elon Musk already like the GOP already. That is, they already have a party form.

00:46:35.980 Americans with an unfavorable view of Ross Perot was only 14% back in 1992. Now the vast majority

00:46:43.000 of Americans are already against the Elon Musk. 58% elected the Congress from a third party since

00:46:49.540 1970. Just 0.2% of all winners, of all winners were either third party, independent or right. And

00:46:58.400 we're only talking about 24 out of over 13,000 winners. The bottom line is third

00:47:05.960 party, independents. They just don't succeed. Is he wrong? First of all, do you know Harry?

00:47:14.120 No, but I'd love to. Well, he's a friend of mine. We have dinner occasionally. We have mutual

00:47:18.260 friends. We've, we've dinner. And I got to say, that's how Harry talks at dinner too. It's extremely

00:47:22.500 exhausting. Does he go like, it was up here and now it's down here. They'll say, I want the veal. I

00:47:29.380 want the beef. How's the beef? Is the beef good? I need the beef. The beef is 18%. He's very intense.

00:47:34.560 The appetizer was out of this world. Exactly. Uh, you need four things to have even the premise

00:47:42.020 of a possible third party in a country, unlike all the other industrialized democracies that is

00:47:47.820 built legally, institutionally, culturally to keep the duopoly of the two major parties.

00:47:53.820 You need a lot of money, right? Cause it's expensive to launch the thing. Check. A lot of money. Although,

00:47:59.440 you know, a lot of money, like would he spend a billion dollars? I don't know. A lot of money.

00:48:04.480 Number one. Number two, you need an, a person who's popular and who people listen to and look

00:48:11.380 to, to say, yeah, that person's going to be different than Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

00:48:15.960 It's not Musk. Cause as Harry correctly points out, he's not popular. So he's going to have to find a

00:48:20.660 horse and whether that's several horses to run Senate and house races or a presidential candidate,

00:48:25.080 he's got to find actual human beings like Perot who are compelling three, you need an issue agenda

00:48:30.500 that the other parties would have trouble matching. And I don't know what that is because he talks

00:48:36.180 about fiscal discipline. Is he going to be the party of cutting social security benefits? I don't know

00:48:40.580 how he's going to have an issues agenda like Perot did, although he's had some problems too,

00:48:45.540 but at least had something to talk about. And then lastly, you need an army of really talented

00:48:50.260 political operatives who are willing to take your money to execute on ballot access and issue

00:48:56.000 development and communications. I think he's, you said check on number one. I don't think he has the

00:49:01.040 other three. So if he wants to make a few willing consultants, super rich by wasting the money,

00:49:06.480 he can, but I don't, I don't see it as a practical matter, how he goes from his current temper tantrum

00:49:13.000 and anger at the Republicans to doing anything like starting a third party, even getting a single

00:49:19.200 house member elected. It's very difficult to do in this country. Well, Andrew Yang is out there

00:49:24.900 saying, you know, I, I did it and the, you know, this is how you do it. And he's saying he did manage

00:49:30.340 to get candidates elected that it's really not that hard. Andrew really didn't. I mean, maybe,

00:49:34.960 maybe I missed it and he got some dog catcher elected somewhere, but Andrew is a very smart guy.

00:49:40.860 He's well-meaning. I think he understands the challenges of this, but they they've been at it for,

00:49:46.000 you know, a long time now, I think, I think a couple of years and, and they've not broken through

00:49:51.460 because again, this country is, is as much as people have been alienated by the two parties,

00:49:57.420 it just, it's inhospitable legally, politically, culturally to try to start a third party. It's

00:50:02.720 just, just tough. It's why Trump ran as a Republican, even though he definitely was not

00:50:08.720 a Republican and probably really isn't still a Republican, much to the consternation of much of

00:50:13.560 the party. He created a third party and he slapped a Republican sticker on it. Yeah. He changed the

00:50:19.420 Republican party into his image because he wasn't really a Republican. He certainly wasn't a

00:50:23.840 traditional Republican on so many issues. And, but that's what you have to do. And, uh, and by the

00:50:29.080 way, that's another thing, like many of us did not believe that Trump was pro life at all, but he,

00:50:35.820 you can't get the nomination as a Republican without saying that you are. And then he governed as a pro

00:50:40.360 lifer. So no one really cares, you know, like Republicans like fine. I don't know what's in

00:50:44.020 his heart as his business, but he's been a very pro-life president. The most successful pro-life

00:50:48.420 president in the country's history. Exactly. So, you know, it's kind of irrelevant. All right.

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00:52:37.420 This time yesterday, literally 24 hours ago, we were watching the following out of the White House

00:52:44.300 cabinet meeting where the subject of Jeffrey Epstein came up and Donald Trump injected himself into the

00:52:52.400 exchange, which was meant to be between the New York Post reporter and Pam Bondi as follows.

00:52:56.960 Satwan. Your memo and release yesterday of Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries.

00:53:03.620 One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for a American or foreign intelligence agency.

00:53:10.400 So could you resolve whether or not he did? And also, could you say why there was a minute missing

00:53:14.340 from the jailhouse team? Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for

00:53:20.140 years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still

00:53:27.480 talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time and

00:53:33.640 do you feel like answering? I don't mind answering. I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on

00:53:38.180 Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy

00:53:44.380 with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration, but you go ahead.

00:53:50.440 Okay. Trump himself promised full transparency on the Jeffrey Epstein case when he was running for

00:53:57.840 president. This has been a big issue on the right. My friend Dan Bongino was one of the people who made

00:54:04.360 it a big issue. So did Kash Patel talking about it over and over and over again. It is just not

00:54:12.140 real for Trump to pretend he shocked. This is still an issue. Nothing's been resolved.

00:54:18.320 Nothing's been released. He promised transparency as did his attorney general. And then they release

00:54:25.140 a memo saying you're not getting anything. It's over. Just trust us. And that was not real. Trump

00:54:31.720 pretending he shocked that people are still interested in it. Your take Mark. Well, let me first talk about

00:54:37.280 that soundbite and then the bigger issue. So I'm a student of Donald Trump and how he handles public

00:54:44.640 appearances, as are you. And I don't have the world's most sensitive spidey sense, but I got

00:54:50.400 some spidey sense. He regularly says, I don't like that question, does it all the time, but that was

00:54:56.540 with a purpose. Okay. So, so I don't think, and I don't see how anyone could look at that and not see

00:55:02.820 an attempt by the president to intimidate the press from ever asking again about it. That's how I read

00:55:07.540 it. What are the arguments against withholding? What are the arguments for transparency? MAGA really wants

00:55:16.020 it. I keep a running list here of all the dues organizations on the right and individuals who are

00:55:23.380 demanding transparency. Still, it's a long list and includes many people who are typically

00:55:27.900 automatically supportive of the president. So MAGA wants it. His base wants it. Two, it's the right

00:55:34.000 thing to do for the victims and for public trust. Three, as you said, the president supported this on a

00:55:41.440 regular basis. And four, they said they were going to do it. So there's a credibility issue. So all those

00:55:47.000 things would argue for disclosure, transparency release. What's on the other side?

00:55:54.860 I pause. I pause pregnantly. What's on the other side? What's on the other side is the suspicion

00:56:00.340 is the suspicion that this is intended to protect rich and powerful men. So I, I, I think that,

00:56:09.400 that this could go either way. The news cycle could move on. MAGA often will pick fights with Donald

00:56:16.260 Trump and then move on. They're a resilient group. So this, and, and, and, and the press core,

00:56:22.500 the dominant press core, the so-called legacy media, they have for years and they're continuing now

00:56:29.820 to be remarkably uninterested in what is both an important and interesting story, something the

00:56:34.140 press core normally covers. Okay. So I think it could go either way. This could disappear. And,

00:56:39.840 and, and those who don't want further disclosure could have their way slash get away with it.

00:56:44.360 Or those demanding justice and disclosure could get their way. I don't know which way it's going to

00:56:52.180 go. But again, I'll go back to the first thing I said, that was a remarkable performance by the

00:56:56.520 president. It was an obvious attempt to deflect and to set the messaging. Like we're not talking

00:57:03.320 about Epstein anymore, period. And I'm the head of MAGA and that's what I say, but it's too late.

00:57:09.500 That animal has already been created and it's pretty ferocious. It's not going to be tamed just

00:57:15.060 by one line from the president at a cabinet meeting. He helped create it. He helped inspired it. His top

00:57:20.480 lieutenants helped create it. And, um, we too have been watching the reaction amongst the most, you know,

00:57:26.840 faithful supporters of the president. We put together a butted soundbite in this, you'll hear names.

00:57:30.740 You you'll hear from names that, you know, the only one who doesn't seem to be demanding more

00:57:36.440 is our friend Ben Shapiro, but you'll hear almost a uniform tone from literally almost everyone else

00:57:44.280 on the right. Take a listen. Nobody told us prior to this, that Epstein files would be anywhere,

00:57:50.800 even on the agenda for that day. And it was really sprung as a surprise to all of us. We get handed

00:57:56.640 these binders and then before we even have a chance to look into them, we're hauled out actually in

00:58:03.020 front of the cameras that were all there. We don't have the accountability that was spoken of. We don't

00:58:07.400 have the releases that were spoken of. And it's just, it's indefensible. It's indefensible that the

00:58:12.280 answers aren't there when so much was promised. As someone who voted for the president, campaigned

00:58:17.220 for the president a lot. Um, I'm not attacking the president, but I think even people who are fully

00:58:23.060 on board with, you know, the bulk of the MAGA agenda are like, this is, this is too much.

00:58:28.720 Yes. Yes. I'm saying that with love and I hope that they're listening. Um, because I think this

00:58:34.080 threatens to blow up the whole thing. By the way, when Pam Bondi went on television and said, I have a

00:58:37.680 videotape of kids getting abused. I didn't, I follow this case closely and I know a lot of the people

00:58:42.900 involved, as I've told you, I had no idea. I didn't know that really thousands of children got

00:58:48.700 raped. Who raped them? Where are the rapists? Like, why aren't they in jail? What, this is the

00:58:53.700 Department of Justice. Yes. That is so crazy. This is like, this is honestly one of the craziest

00:59:00.780 things I've ever seen in my entire life. And I just think it's very dangerous to play around with

00:59:07.020 this stuff. Can't the Department of Justice move to unseal things that were put under seal? Isn't that

00:59:12.740 technically the way that this could potentially be brought to the public? Because I think we need mass

00:59:17.740 disclosure. I think we need more information, at least for my under 30 crowd. I know my demo,

00:59:22.480 they are volcanic over this whole thing. And by the way, the over 60 crowd, they're like Epstein,

00:59:27.320 whatever, not a big deal. No, but under 30, can you explain that to our audience too, Mike,

00:59:31.220 the hyper online under 30 crowd? This is a major, major issue. If you're willing to throw that over

00:59:36.940 and claim they're lying, then I'd like to see you present your evidence that they are in fact lying

00:59:40.940 because I know Dan, I don't think that Dan Bajino is lying to me. I know cash Patel a little bit. I don't

00:59:47.200 think cash Patel is lying to me. I don't think these people are lying to me, which means that

00:59:52.000 if somebody else continues to claim that they're lying, they ought to provide their evidence at

00:59:54.820 this point. Pam Bondi needs to be fired. Who is rolling this out? The little rascals?

01:00:04.620 Panky, look, I got some videotape. What are you doing? This is ridiculous.

01:00:10.360 Really interesting, right, Mark? Yeah. Every time I see Ben Shapiro, I think maybe I should adopt

01:00:18.280 more of his voice for my show. I feel like he's on, he's onto something with that voice.

01:00:24.340 You know, I, as you and I have talked about, you know, Charlie and Tucker are extremely influential

01:00:28.960 with the administration. And when they say not just the morally right thing to do, but the,

01:00:34.080 but the demand of the base is more disclosure. And then, but, but Ben gives voice to the reality

01:00:41.840 for some, which is Pam Bondi's taking a lot more heat than cash Patel and Dan are a lot more. And

01:00:48.180 yet they're out there with more specificity saying, trust us case closed. So I'll continue to watch to

01:00:54.700 see how they handle this. The president endorsed them on, on true social the other day, not specifically

01:00:59.400 on this issue, but in general, but, but not her, although he was pretty friendly in the, in the

01:01:05.160 cabin room, but he knew she was, she was twisting by a string and he did not send out a nice tweet

01:01:10.940 about her. Now you didn't include Laura Loomer in your mashup. Um, and she's, she is, she is much

01:01:17.700 derided obviously. And there are people in the white house who don't like her influence, but, um,

01:01:22.800 she doesn't lose that often. She doesn't lose that often. And she's, she's very hepped up about this,

01:01:27.560 but, but I'll say again, there's a lot of, she wants bond fired. Yeah. There are a lot of mag

01:01:32.320 obsessions that, that aren't necessarily in the public interest or aren't rooted in truth, justice

01:01:38.580 in the American way. This is a real thing. And Tucker, I think gave voice to it. Like, like forget

01:01:45.300 the conspiracy theories, just deal with the reality of how this man was treated by the criminal justice

01:01:51.360 system and how, how, uh, discouraging that was not just to the victims, but to people who believe in

01:01:57.860 justice and people who believe in, in the American system, treating people fairly like this requires

01:02:03.460 extraordinarily, uh, detailed care and disclosure. And the administration after championing it and

01:02:11.420 after knowing full well, how important it was, as, as Charlie said to so many of Americans,

01:02:16.320 regardless of their political nation is basically saying, trust this case closed. And I, it could

01:02:21.860 sustain, but I don't think it will. And I, and I don't think it should because imagine the status

01:02:27.860 quo and what that will do to people's lack of trust in the government and in, uh, and, and, and

01:02:34.700 commitments that have been made. Listening to the theorizing around it has been fascinating.

01:02:40.400 Just this morning, I was listening to Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert and also just very bright

01:02:44.740 social commentator. And he was saying, let's just say without evidence, he was very open,

01:02:51.420 but this is just a theory. Let's just say that there is some Israel connection with Epstein,

01:02:57.980 like he was an agent, something, uh, collecting compromise on various people. And he went to Trump

01:03:05.660 and said, you got to make this go away. And Trump went to Bongino and Patel and Bondi and said,

01:03:12.260 for the sake of peace in the middle East, we're moving on. There's nothing to see here. And that's

01:03:19.320 what I want you to say. Would I consider that a lie? I couldn't forgive. That's a Scott Adams still.

01:03:24.920 No, I wouldn't. He said, I, and it, I mean the president, this is total speculation, but the

01:03:29.820 president going to those three and saying it's over, I don't care what you say, but you have to make it

01:03:35.420 go away. We're moving on would explain the way all three have behaved over the past couple of weeks.

01:03:42.740 Yeah. Um, again, if, if, if they, if they're telling the truth and there's, and they really

01:03:48.160 believe that the right thing for the world is to say, there's nothing to see here. Didn't commit

01:03:52.980 suicide. It wasn't murdered. Didn't have a list, nothing more to disclose. That would be good for

01:03:58.120 the public to know. Then they're doing a crap job explaining why they're doing a crap job giving

01:04:04.640 us confidence. There needs to be long interviews, long press conferences, not just a statement and

01:04:10.640 not just short disclosure. And they need to walk through it all. Pam Bondi yesterday says, well,

01:04:15.680 there's a minute gap every day, maybe, but minute gap is something that, you know, is not,

01:04:21.920 is not going to go away without a really clear explanation. And I'll say again,

01:04:26.180 like it was a nothing. Everybody was like, wait, what it's real. The minute before midnight thing

01:04:31.080 is real. And you thought you were just going to get away with it every night on, on next up.

01:04:35.240 There's a minute gap every episode where I tell my best jokes and the producers cut them out.

01:04:39.980 And someone winds up dead. FYI. Yeah. So someone dies at the end of every episode. Um, again,

01:04:47.140 the, the Mossad thing in my world, the Mossad thing is very big as a matter of speculation. Uh,

01:04:52.140 but the other speculation is, uh, as my friend says, Donald Trump, uh, uh, you know, has deep

01:04:59.500 affiliations where Jeffrey Epstein did in South Florida and on the upper East side of New York

01:05:03.740 city. And so maybe he's trying to protect friends. Now, some people say he's trying to protect

01:05:07.940 himself. No idea. But as I said before, there needs to be an explanation for what they're doing

01:05:13.600 because all the, all the, all the equities, all of the logic, all the, all the doing the right thing

01:05:19.700 falls on the side of disclosure. So if, if they're telling the truth, if they, if they're confident

01:05:25.780 that there is nothing more to disclose, it would be in the public interest to know there, they need

01:05:30.700 to do a better job of, of walking us through that and not just saying to reporters, how dare you ask?

01:05:36.700 Mm-hmm. The, um, this has been getting bandied about on X quite a bit. Elon, as I mentioned,

01:05:45.560 has weighed in on a couple of people. I didn't know that Roger Stone, longtime Trump advisor,

01:05:52.380 also hates Steve Bannon. Elon hates Steve. Roger hates, uh, hates Elon. Just for the record. I like,

01:06:01.840 just for the record. I like them all. Okay. So Roger, sorry. Roger doesn't hate Elon.

01:06:06.460 Roger hates Bannon. Yeah, no, I, I mean, I, I got no horse in this race, but I think it's

01:06:11.340 interesting to watch. And here is what happened between them yesterday. Elon tweeted, how can

01:06:16.800 people be expected to have faith in Trump? If he won't release the Epstein files, someone responded

01:06:21.220 will exposing the Epstein files rank high on the America parties list. Musk must says a hundred

01:06:26.640 percent. Then Elon tweeted out Bannon is in the Epstein files, but didn't offer any evidence to back it up.

01:06:33.180 But he was responding to tweets from Roger Stone as follows quote, why would Bannon meet with

01:06:38.080 Jeffrey Epstein both at his New York home and in Paris after Epstein was convicted on sex crimes in

01:06:43.720 Florida? Why would he coach Epstein for his 60 minutes appearance? This appears to stem from a 2021

01:06:49.400 book by Michael Wolf that Bannon helped Epstein prepare for a CBS 60 minutes interview that never

01:06:57.880 happened. And it's quoting here. Uh, I believe the quoting Bannon quote, you're engaging. You're not

01:07:03.820 threatening. You're a natural, you're friendly. You don't look at all creepy. You're a sympathetic

01:07:08.580 figure said Bannon during the early 2019 coaching and feedback session per the book. Bannon confirmed

01:07:14.960 to the New York times that he encouraged Epstein to do a 60 minutes interview and recorded more than 15

01:07:21.100 hours of interviews with the disgraced financier. Bannon told the New York times, however, that he

01:07:26.920 never did media train anyone and was instead working on the unannounced documentary to demonstrate how

01:07:35.080 Epstein's quote, perversions and depravity toward young women were part of a life that was systematically

01:07:41.440 supported, encouraged, and rewarded by a global establishment that dined off of his money and

01:07:47.420 his influence. That's kind of mind blowing. 15 hours of tape and Bannon today was critical.

01:07:54.940 I watched his show yesterday. He was critical of the way this is being handled and was demanding

01:07:59.000 more transparency. But the point is simply this thing has tentacles that reach deep pretty much

01:08:06.220 everywhere. And I don't know, Mark, whether we're ever going to have it fully figured out.

01:08:11.980 Well, it's hard to know because this administration doesn't seem on track to do it. They could reverse

01:08:16.720 course. Could be another taco situation. I doubt the press will do it because some press has tried.

01:08:25.520 It's hard, right? No subpoena power. I don't know that Congress is going to do it. I don't know that

01:08:30.120 any prosecutor is going to do it. Tom Fitton is saying he's going to do it. Who? Tom Fitton.

01:08:36.960 Oh, Tom Fitton. Judicial Watch. Yeah, Tom, Judicial Watch should try, but their main bag of tricks

01:08:42.560 involves trying to get courts to do things. I think that somebody would have to engage in a pretty

01:08:49.960 thorough effort with subpoena power, ideally, to figure out what to do. But it starts with the

01:08:57.580 executive branch, right? Because they've got access to all these documents, which they say

01:09:00.820 aren't going to be released. So the tale will be told by whether the administration changes its

01:09:10.820 posture. If the president and the Justice Department, the FBI continue to say case closed,

01:09:15.640 then the ball's going to move to another court. But they're in the best position to do something

01:09:22.720 about it. And as for the fights amongst people like Bannon and Stone, I've got some friends who

01:09:29.660 don't like each other and pretty strongly in a couple of cases. But the president has just an

01:09:35.340 enormous capacity to be friends with both Heckle and Jekyll and the Hatfields and the McCoys. And

01:09:41.940 yeah, and that that's just part of the colorful salon surrounding our president.

01:09:47.440 I just feel like no one's going to subpoena anyone because the Democrats probably have too many high

01:09:52.440 ranking people on their side who they're worried are in those files. Yeah. And clearly the Republicans

01:09:57.440 may have some bodies buried there, too. Although your best friend, Jamie Raskin and some other House

01:10:02.720 Democrats did write to the Justice Department or the White House, I don't know which administration

01:10:07.080 joining the core, the chorus of those saying, please release everything. So if they're worried

01:10:13.360 about Democrats, they're not acting like they are. Well, they don't have subpoena power right now.

01:10:17.820 They're not in control. Yeah. So, you know, let's see what they do if and when they win back the

01:10:22.880 House. Yeah. I do think the president's going to hear more from people. I don't think you see people

01:10:28.900 standing down on this on the right. I think, you know, the biggest mistake Pam Bondi made was

01:10:33.380 dragging those influencers into the White House and humiliating them. They're keeping score. I

01:10:39.240 started that clip with Jack Posobiec, who was one of them. Liz Wheeler is another. She'll be on this

01:10:43.540 program tomorrow telling us the full story of what happened there. It's not as we thought. It's

01:10:47.020 actually a little different. And she's going to tell. But I think they're rightfully pissed off on what

01:10:53.280 was done to them. And the only way it could have been fixed was if then Pam Bondi did deliver, did

01:10:58.360 make good on her promise to give the Epstein files to them. And instead, they got stiff-armed just like

01:11:05.200 everybody else. I just want to make one other comment on what Tucker was saying in that clip

01:11:08.140 with Sagar and Jetty on his show, on Tucker's show. My understanding on the children, the child

01:11:14.860 sexual assault material, child pornography, we used to call it, is that they have tens of thousands

01:11:20.700 of images on Jeffrey Epstein's computer that prove the guy was into that stuff, that he was looking

01:11:29.520 at highly contrabanded materials of young children. And that is a new disclosure. And Pam Bondi had

01:11:39.080 referenced it when caught on tape with James O'Keefe. And then she went to the microphones herself and

01:11:43.140 said it so that she couldn't look like she was gotten by James O'Keefe. But now they're saying it more

01:11:48.080 explicitly, that's what they're referring to. I have no reason to believe this is, these are, in fact,

01:11:54.000 I believe it's the opposite, that these were Jeffrey Epstein victims, you know, in person. It was his

01:12:00.780 chosen pornography. I mean, it's disgusting, but that's that. What they're saying in the memo is that

01:12:09.000 there are about 1,000 Jeffrey Epstein victims, actual victims. And by that, they mean young women.

01:12:16.460 And again, again, I've been describing them as barely legal because somebody very close to the

01:12:20.900 case told me that's that's what he was into. The bear, like in terms of actual physical interactions,

01:12:25.180 it was the barely legal type, like the 17, 18 year olds who looked 14. Then there are over a thousand

01:12:32.300 victims like that who were brought into the Epstein mansion. And the typical MO we've, we've learned this

01:12:38.140 throughout the cases is they would be brought into the Epstein property. They would be funneled into some

01:12:42.260 room. They would be paid. These young, young girls would be paid to give Jeffrey Epstein an X-rated

01:12:47.360 massage. You know, they were sort of lured. Many of them tolding to being told it's just going to be

01:12:51.520 a massage and you can make some extra money and they would do it. And then it would turn X-rated.

01:12:58.120 Mostly it was just these girls pleasuring Jeffrey Epstein. It wasn't like an actual sex act. Forgive me

01:13:03.100 for getting graphic, but this is what the evidence has been. Um, and, and so that's what they're

01:13:07.760 talking about just to distinguish. I have yet to hear anything, putting a number of victims

01:13:11.440 that Jeffrey or Ghislaine farmed out to other men. Now that's not to say Megan Kelly knows there were

01:13:17.700 none. It's just, I have never heard any specifics on that. I've heard the names like the guy who owned

01:13:24.140 Victoria's secret, how he was down at Epstein Island. And you know, I've heard a Bill Gates

01:13:29.320 connection, all that, that everybody else has heard too. I just haven't seen the proof that shows.

01:13:34.780 And this person was farmed out a young girl that participated in the trafficking of a young

01:13:39.760 girl. There's Virginia Giuffre who was definitely one of Epstein's victims and was in a photo with

01:13:48.160 Prince Andrew and Prince Andrew himself has been, you know, just all over the board on this and

01:13:52.560 clearly isn't being a hundred percent honest, but she's also dishonest. She's passed now. So forgive

01:13:57.240 me, but she's, she was definitely lying in part about her experiences in the Epstein lair.

01:14:02.880 Uh, she's the one who accused Alan Dershowitz after somebody else came to her and said,

01:14:07.280 why don't you include Alan Dershowitz? That would really get you some attention.

01:14:09.960 That's how he got looped in. She wound up dismissing that case saying, Oh, I may have

01:14:13.400 misremembered. Alan Dershowitz totally had disproven her allegations. He could prove he

01:14:17.540 wasn't even anywhere near any of Epstein's properties on the day she said she saw him and

01:14:22.800 was with him and all that stuff. So anyway, the whole thing is just such a morass, Mark, that I,

01:14:27.420 as a lawyer, I, I just want to follow actual facts and actual evidence. And that hasn't made it all

01:14:33.700 that clear to me other than what I've said. Yeah. And, and, and I'll put some, uh, responsibility

01:14:39.120 on the shoulders of the Florida prosecutors and the federal prosecutors who, who should add subpoena

01:14:44.200 power. And I wish had been clearer about what, what the conduct was. Yeah. And who knows why they

01:14:51.460 didn't. I mean, there, it could be they or somebody they knew was compromised. It could be,

01:14:56.100 he was an intelligent intelligence agent. That was a very weird thing of Pam Bondi's

01:15:00.180 answer yesterday, which we didn't play today, but we played it yesterday where she was like,

01:15:04.100 Oh, as for your question about whether he was an agent, I haven't looked into that. I'll get back

01:15:09.380 to you on that. What? This is one of the main theories about him. I mean, how do I, as a member

01:15:14.660 of the press know that you know, it, the audience knows it. And Pam Bondi doesn't know that's what,

01:15:19.060 that was a lie. She does know. So why didn't she tell again, raising more questions than answers,

01:15:24.320 including about the minute before midnight, which we decided yesterday is a great name for a movie

01:15:28.980 about this whole thing. And we just showed the audience while you were talking that we went back

01:15:32.960 and found the tape where you can see the jump cut there. There is, there's a cut. There's a

01:15:36.920 minute before a minute that midnight that was cut out of the Epstein jail cell. Every night happens

01:15:40.980 every night. So if you wanted to kill Jeffrey Epstein, you would know you had the minute before

01:15:44.940 midnight. My one, my one caution on the whole jail cell, the jail cell video is, have you seen the

01:15:52.660 two guards? Have you seen these two guys? Like it's a gallon, a guy, they are, forgive me, but

01:15:58.520 they're like obese, classic civil servant looking people in New York. Their excuses. We were surfing

01:16:06.020 the net and asleep, which is why we weren't really monitoring what was going on, which I totally

01:16:11.540 believe. And the opposite requires me to believe that maybe they were in on this conspiracy.

01:16:16.720 They allowed somebody to get in there all this time. They've managed to keep their mouths shut.

01:16:21.840 They haven't leaked it to anybody. I have a hard time buying it. I hear you, but I tend to think of

01:16:28.520 it the opposite way, which is to me, they're the weak link in those who want to dismiss the probability

01:16:35.080 possibility. He was killed because the, the, the series of events that had to occur on their end

01:16:41.240 to allow him to kill himself undetected. It's just, it's too much for me. It's just too many.

01:16:47.520 What part? That's the incompetence. That's all that it requires you to believe. Very easy.

01:16:51.920 It requires, it requires a level of incompetence over a long period of time. That's possible,

01:16:59.500 but, but in conjunction with him, not having someone in the cell with him in conjunction

01:17:05.520 with the one minute gap, it's too much. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's what someone inclined

01:17:10.780 to use cliches would call a perfect storm, that they would be that a hundred percent derelict in

01:17:16.260 what they were supposed to do for that length of time on this particular case.

01:17:20.160 Mark Halpern, have you ever been to the post office in New York city, the DMV in New York city?

01:17:28.380 I have. And, and I understand what you're saying. Although my post office in New York city

01:17:32.580 is actually pretty good. So I've, I've become a little bit, a little bit less, less, uh,

01:17:39.140 suspect of civil servants. I, I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying, go look at the,

01:17:43.860 the accounts given of all the things they had to do wrong for this to happen. It's a lot of stuff.

01:17:50.160 I was like, yeah, seems right. You can see them on the tape surfing the net ones asleep. We're

01:17:54.360 like, yeah, that looks about right on brand. Yeah. Um, but, but, but the point is, but let

01:17:58.720 me just, the biggest thing for me is the, the autopsy that Jeffrey Epstein's brother had

01:18:02.520 done with Dr. Bodden saying, this looks like a murder. I'll, you be Nancy Drew. I'll be a

01:18:06.860 Hardy boy. All those things had to happen when he wanted to kill himself. Right. In other words,

01:18:13.820 how did he know that they were going to be so down on the job that he had an opportunity to

01:18:19.320 kill himself? Right. He was also a New Yorker. And he just said, I know they're going to fall

01:18:25.160 asleep and search the web. So now's my chance. He took a shot. No, he was like, they don't,

01:18:29.780 he's been, he'd been there for a while, Mark. He's like, they don't come in. They ignore me.

01:18:34.440 I know they're going to be asleep. They never bothered me between 12 and three. Now's my chance.

01:18:39.720 They didn't do that every night. That's the thing. They didn't do it every night. There's no,

01:18:43.300 there's no documentation. We don't know that they did it every night. So exactly. So he,

01:18:48.080 so he's taking a chance to try to kill himself saying chances are, they're not going to come

01:18:52.780 in and stop me. I'm not saying he didn't kill himself. I'm just saying, I just, it's too,

01:18:57.580 it's, it's like the guy who shot at Trump. There's, there's all this stuff that had to happen

01:19:03.500 for him to be able to shoot at Trump. And it all happens. Just, it just seems a little weird.

01:19:09.220 Yeah. Well, I don't disagree. I was, I'm just trying to strong man the other position because I,

01:19:13.380 I also have questions about whether Jeffrey Epstein really killed himself. And in particular,

01:19:16.940 that, that Dr. Bodden autopsy for me, cause that's actual proof. Now we're talking real

01:19:21.400 hardcore evidence. The absence of, of other things can be evidence too, but that's, that's the thing

01:19:27.320 I've never gotten pie. And look, I, it's possible that the brother got to him and said, I really want

01:19:31.380 this to come out this, the following way. And Bodden did it. It's possible. Hired guns sometimes do

01:19:35.720 that. How often in the history of suicides, including prison suicides, have you heard an account of

01:19:42.200 someone caught in the act and stopped? How often have you heard of that happening?

01:19:47.340 I can't think of a single example of it. Never. Yeah. Right. So again, even if they, even if he said,

01:19:53.200 yeah, those two are clowns, they probably won't come in. Here's my chance. They could have come in.

01:19:59.260 They could have heard something there. There might not have been a one minute gap. Right. So again,

01:20:04.380 it had, if, if the story of their, their role is accurate, he somehow made a great calculated guess

01:20:13.180 that they wouldn't come in and stop him because if they had, he'd be the first person you and I

01:20:17.000 have ever heard of stopped in the act of trying to kill himself. Never heard of it.

01:20:21.380 I was reminding me that they, he did have a failed suicide attempt the month before.

01:20:26.960 Allegedly. Was he, did they walk? Allegedly. Did they walk in on him during that attempt? Steve,

01:20:32.460 do you remember that? Or was it just like he tried and they, they knew, we don't know. Okay.

01:20:37.060 I don't, I don't believe I, I, with respect to Steve, I don't believe that was documented.

01:20:40.560 Why can't Pam Bondi, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino either sit down for a long interview with yours

01:20:46.260 truly or someone else or have a presser, have a presser and just answer all these questions,

01:20:51.020 Mark. Let it, let it all hang out. But we know what the answer is. They don't want to.

01:20:56.840 Yeah. Well, and I think president Trump made clear he's totally on board with this strategy,

01:21:01.440 which means he likely directed it. And the question remains why I I'm offended by this

01:21:06.740 segment, Megan, just kidding. That we've continued talking about it after president

01:21:11.780 President Trump warned us, extolled, urged. Yeah. No. I mean, if they can't have a press conference

01:21:21.920 or do a long interview with documentation, they, they need to take it up with Charlie and Tucker and

01:21:27.540 you. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like, most of us don't actually just follow orders. Most of us

01:21:33.840 have our own independent judgment and editorial sense sensibility. And, uh, this is one of those

01:21:38.840 things. I'll be curious to see the next white house reporter who asks in front of the president

01:21:42.880 about Jeffrey Epstein. Let's see when the next happens. Same. I mean, it's funny. Cause I was just

01:21:49.280 looking at some of the people on my YouTube feed will say, Oh, she, she never responds, but I actually

01:21:53.760 do look at the comments, but I never do respond on the, to the YouTube comments because I never

01:21:59.100 like surf the net under my real email. Cause it'll sometimes it shows your email and then people have

01:22:05.000 your email and I'm like, well, I don't, I don't want that. Um, but anyway, I do listen to your

01:22:09.240 comments. I read your comments, everybody on YouTube and elsewhere. And, um, you know, I, I see what

01:22:15.420 people are thinking. It's actually a very good tool to see generally how people are feeling about a

01:22:19.000 story. And for the first time yesterday, I started to see a more like move on, move on. Okay. Those

01:22:25.780 are true Trump loyalists. Cause there's just still so many, so many questions, but also as Charlie,

01:22:31.880 but also as Charlie said, not everybody is interested in this story about this one guy,

01:22:37.620 you know, it's just not everybody's cup of tea. I go back to as a journalist, it's super interesting.

01:22:43.660 And as a human being and a father, it did the victims are entitled to as much justice as they

01:22:49.080 can be given. Yeah. And for me, I'm in a weird spot because this has never really been my story.

01:22:55.680 You know, unlike Dan and cash, I actually haven't been out there for years, like pounding the Epstein

01:23:00.860 thing. I've reported on it when it's been news. Um, I've had certain newsmakers on to talk about it,

01:23:06.840 but like, it's never been my real thing. So, but now I'm in this weird position of saying like,

01:23:11.620 Hey, it's a thing when they're like, no, it's not a thing. I'm like, well, what do you mean?

01:23:14.800 It is a thing. Anyway. Um, okay, let's move on. I'm going to take a break. We're going to come back

01:23:19.600 and there's a, I have got to talk to you. I'm going to warn you, Mark Halpern. You didn't know

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01:23:40.800 I think I know who it is. Well, we'll find out. I won't, I won't say it when we come back. I'm

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01:27:12.080 apply. Okay. During the break, my team and I had in-depth discussions on what we're about to show

01:27:22.460 you. And we all have very strong feelings on this nest next little bit. So this segment is about vanity

01:27:29.300 in media, Mark Halperin. And you worked for many years at ABC news as one of the top honchos over

01:27:36.180 there. Who do you think I am going to say is the most vain man at ABC news? All right. You remember

01:27:45.080 Johnny Carson and Karnak. You've got the hand up to the head of the card. He's written it down. Yes.

01:27:52.080 DM. He's got the proper initials, just like Debbie Murphy, Canadian Debbie, but it's not her. She works

01:27:58.100 for me. It is David Muir. Okay. We covered him a couple of months ago at another tragedy and he was

01:28:09.240 caught on camera wearing his fake little fireman's jacket. This is him reporting. We're showing the

01:28:16.460 video. And he made the mistake of turning to gesture to the scene behind him. And you can see

01:28:21.960 he's got like the clothes pins on the back of his fake little fireman's jacket. He's not a fireman

01:28:28.380 trying to make his waist look skinny. Mark, what man makes his waist look skinny on television or

01:28:38.640 elsewhere. That's strange. Yeah. Unless you're gay. I need to accuse myself because I'm currently

01:28:45.320 wearing safety pins to cinch. Some people like the cut of my jib. I can't turn. If I did, you'd see

01:28:51.360 I'm just lousy with safety pins in the back. There's nothing wrong with being a gay man. None

01:28:56.000 whatsoever. David Muir. I don't know what he's not married. He's not out. I'm not sure what's going on

01:29:01.300 there, but his vanity runs out. I thought he was out. I don't know. He just gave a long interview that we

01:29:07.580 read and laughed at and people magazine where he was dancing around it, but he doesn't like his

01:29:12.960 dancing around like a partner or whatever, but he, no, he's not out. He's not out. It's just

01:29:17.040 suspicion. I don't think so. We've, we've, we've done some saluting, but in any event, gay or not

01:29:23.660 gay, if you're an on-camera man, you need to be a man. You need to be a manly man. You need to be in

01:29:30.360 control and you need to not be worried about your waist circumference or how tight you look around the

01:29:37.080 middle when you're reporting from natural disasters. So I would submit to the jury while

01:29:43.720 we do not have proof positive Mark Halperin, we have circumstantial evidence that he's at it again,

01:29:49.600 this time down in Texas reporting on the terrible flooding in Kerr County outside of Dallas. He

01:29:57.500 has for the, look at this for the past two nights, two nights in a row is wearing his teeny tiny black

01:30:06.400 t-shirt, super high cut on the biceps. So you can see his muscles and the teeny tiny waist down below.

01:30:15.920 And I will tell you something. We look, this is when you zoom out a little bit, you can see the

01:30:22.120 shirt has a little flare below the middle. That's not how t-shirts work. Men's t-shirts, t-shirts do not

01:30:28.340 cut in, in the middle and then flare down below. And we went and pulled the video of him doing his

01:30:35.000 walk and talk because we really care about this. And his t-shirt looks normal. Look, it looks like a

01:30:41.720 normal t-shirt, Mark Halperin, where he's in the field. There's obviously no cinchers. He's tucked

01:30:46.360 it in, in the back because I think he wants to show off his fanny and he's walking. He's a manly man

01:30:52.100 in the field, but then you get him on camera. It's got the normal drape to it. You get him on camera for

01:30:57.000 the nightly broadcast and in goes the waist where it's smaller than Megan Kelly's waist. But in my defense,

01:31:02.060 I've had three children and he hasn't. And he wants the world to know he's super, super tiny

01:31:07.580 in the waist, but super mostly in the, in the arms. And the reason this matters is because

01:31:14.120 vanity is a muck in TV news in general. And amongst our evening news anchors, it already brought down

01:31:22.060 Brian Williams, his need to embellish his life, his reporting himself. And I'm, I would submit to you

01:31:29.860 that this is like that in a different form. Well, two things. One, I can clear up the t-shirt

01:31:35.680 thing. Yeah. He wears it. I've been shopping with him. He wears a medium, uh, but it's a ladies medium.

01:31:40.700 Um, so that explains why it's so tight. Um, I have a great story to tell you, which is how I knew what

01:31:45.760 the answer was, but I, I can't tell you on the, here on the program, but next I see you now, I will tell

01:31:51.140 you another story. It's just so unfair to our viewers. I know it's just, I'm not in a position to say it

01:31:56.900 for wide consumption, but let me ask you this. Let me ask you this about your story without

01:32:00.660 getting into the details. Yeah. Do you feel it in a heartfelt personal way that he's the

01:32:05.940 vainest person at ABC news? I feel this story illustrates the fact that if there's another

01:32:11.320 contender for that award, they're distant second. Oh, at ABC. If there is, if there is, they are a

01:32:20.540 distant second. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe not just at ABC, maybe in all of Manhattan. We also,

01:32:26.000 I used to go to the same gym as he did too. So I've seen him in, in action.

01:32:30.540 So you go to the gym, but when I watch your show, you do not seem to feel the need to show

01:32:35.340 me the products of your gym visits. I do not see. I just don't, I just don't turn. I just

01:32:41.060 don't turn sideways to show you. And I said, I used to go to his gym. I don't still go to

01:32:46.280 his gym. Okay. I still go. I still go to the gym, but, but Steve has me working very hard.

01:32:51.280 So I can't, I can't spend three and a half hours at the gym.

01:32:55.420 This is how Steve shows up at work too. And I constantly tell him, Steve, no one can see you.

01:32:59.360 You're not, I'm just kidding. But I have worked with a lot. Steve is objecting. I've worked with

01:33:05.360 a lot of men in television. I worked for years next to Bill Hemmer. I worked for years next to

01:33:10.520 Brett Baer. And of course they care about how they look on camera. And there's a, there's an attention

01:33:15.620 to looking neat and making sure the hair is not like sticking out. But I have never seen

01:33:21.560 this level of vanity amongst the men that I have had the pleasure of co-anchoring with

01:33:27.260 or working next to. And I, that includes, I know some, I'm not going to say he'll be like

01:33:31.020 they do Botox. There's somebody at Fox. I knew who got a surgery, a man that I don't judge it.

01:33:37.640 Honestly, being on camera, it does, you know, you have to maintain things, but cinching the waist

01:33:44.320 for a super skinny girl likes felt figure is weird. And it's a bridge too far. This is where I draw

01:33:51.340 the line, Mark Halperin. Well, two things. One is, uh, you know, the song from the producers,

01:33:56.300 if you got it flaunted. So I think, you know, there's a certain element. He doesn't want to

01:34:00.180 waste what God has given him and what, uh, what, uh, Peloton has, uh, buffed. Um, Steve,

01:34:05.760 the other day called me and said he, he had 200, say, uh, uh, clothespins. I didn't want to know

01:34:11.060 when he bought on Amazon and wanted to know if I wanted a hundred of them. So you make of that

01:34:15.420 what you will, but some of us are cinching. We're just not dumb enough to turn sideways on camera.

01:34:21.140 Steve's very upset. He's getting thrown under the bus and has no microphone. This is very wrong.

01:34:25.940 Well, he should make his Amazon transactions private. Let me tell you something. Let me tell

01:34:32.420 you something else. Okay. Here's further evidence. Here's some context and some evidence. We decided to

01:34:38.880 take a look at the other anchors, but this is a national tragedy. You know, I mean, I shouldn't

01:34:42.060 have to point out you've got children who are dead, like seriously, who shows up thinking about the

01:34:46.060 size of their waist and whether they look buff in the evening news shot. It's very strange behavior.

01:34:51.900 So we took a look over at CNN. They've got Pamela Brown down there on site. Let's see how she's

01:34:56.940 dressed. Yeah. Like a, like a news anchor in the field reporting on a tragedy. Like you dress,

01:35:03.840 like you dress, if you were late to pick your kids up at school and you had to rush

01:35:07.000 to make pictures. Yeah, truly. She's not doing glam. And by the way, we all know that when we go on

01:35:12.660 site to, to report when their people have died, glam is not a thing you don't do. You don't do

01:35:17.440 if anything, you play it down. Everybody knows that, um, Pam Brown, totally appropriate. Now,

01:35:22.720 uh, who, who's the next one before we get to NBC? I think we have one other, we have,

01:35:27.560 we have Maurice Dubois over at CBS. Now looks totally normal. He's got CBS network.

01:35:33.640 I think he's, I think he's networked now. Yeah. Yeah. He, uh, evening news. Now who can keep

01:35:38.960 track? I mean, nobody, nobody pays attention to this stuff anymore. At this point, you and I are

01:35:42.340 the, at this point, you and I are the only two people who haven't anchored CBS evening news.

01:35:46.700 Everybody else has had their shot. Steve has done it. Steve also did. He's wearing a button down.

01:35:53.080 Allison's done it. Allison's done it. Everybody but us. Allison, our booker. She's, she's being

01:35:57.340 considered. Um, he's wearing a button down shirt, like a man's shirt that you'd wear,

01:36:02.160 like with a suit. That's appropriate. No tie in the field. Totally get it. That's what you

01:36:05.560 should do. And it's the right, it's the right size. If I worked at Nordstrom's, that's the size I'd

01:36:09.360 give him. That's right. And no cinching. I'm not looking at his teeny tiny waist. I'm not like,

01:36:14.320 oh, Maurice lost weight. Look at him or look at his big muscles. Not that either. Then we

01:36:19.200 meander over to NBC news. And this is Tommy. Is this Tommy? Tommy Amas, Lamas, Tommy Lamas.

01:36:27.740 Yeah. He looks totally appropriate. He has same as Maurice. He's got like a black

01:36:33.320 men's shirt on with a button down. His collar is buttoned appropriately. We're not looking at chest

01:36:39.260 at all. He's not showing off muscles. And let me tell you something. If he was wearing makeup,

01:36:44.360 he sweated through it too. Yeah. No, he actually could use a little like pancake makeup tonight.

01:36:49.440 Um, but, but he's a common for David Muir because even though Muir is crushing, uh, NBC right now,

01:36:57.220 just because people know NBC is bad, that they're evil in their hearts. Um, this guy,

01:37:01.840 Tom Lamas took over for Lester and he's younger and he's likable and he's actually doing well.

01:37:07.940 And he has like tripled his, um, the, the, the increases for the past two weeks. He's been on

01:37:14.300 and he's coming in the demo. Are his ratings higher than Lester's? Yes. Yeah. He's going

01:37:20.920 up above Lester and he's improving the NBC demo number, which is the number they really care about.

01:37:26.460 They want you to look at like, Oh, we have 7 million a night. We have 7 million. All anybody

01:37:30.240 cares about is the key demo. And in the key demo, he's making inroads against David Muir,

01:37:34.960 who is like tighter, tighter. I see this young man is coming for me. So I'm pulling my,

01:37:40.400 my stretchy pants right now. Super tight. Mark Halpern. It's, it's, it's, it's the,

01:37:44.460 it's the clothespin girdle combo that gets you where I can put my, my, my fans around the waist,

01:37:51.680 like Bart Simpson, like Homer, Homer and Bart's neck, right around David's waist.

01:37:56.920 And you gotta be able to do it and not touch him to circle. He's five demo points away from calling

01:38:02.560 in a Kardashian for a corset. That's where this is going. Just, you heard it here first.

01:38:07.580 Tighter cinch, tighter cinch. Runs amok. Forget, forget rewriting page two. I just need to tighten

01:38:14.640 the cinch. I, um, have to, I didn't even know we were doing this segment. I know I'm, I surprised

01:38:21.520 you. Wait, how much time do I have Steve? Steve's all, he's Steve's flummoxed. Canceling is it

01:38:27.100 canceling his Amazon orders? Okay. Yeah, exactly. And also your, um, your Venmos. Did you know that

01:38:34.120 your Venmos are public? I know other people's Venmos are public. I know when I signed up for

01:38:38.660 Venmo, I toggled the box to not let everybody know what I'm, what I'm paying for lawn mowing or

01:38:44.120 licorice. It's very smart. I don't use Venmo. I have Abigail Finan who does some Venmoing for me

01:38:51.640 and some other service she uses. And, and, but I didn't know that. And I think a lot of people get

01:38:55.920 burned by the fact that Venmo is public even well, the national security that had the former

01:39:00.420 national security advisor had that problem. Uh, uh, what's his name? Uh, the guy who was fired

01:39:07.180 walls, walls, walls, had public Venmo and he had a bunch of transactions with reporters.

01:39:14.020 Oh God. Oh God. Oh, that's humiliating. I don't remember that. I remember the signal gate,

01:39:19.140 but I didn't remember the Venmo. Okay. Last but not least, because I really want to get to this

01:39:25.640 other story, but I don't think we have time, right? We don't have time for opera. Do we? I'm

01:39:28.840 dying. My audience has been trying to get to opera. Can we, can you say five minutes late? Mark

01:39:32.820 Halperin? Yeah, I think. Um, okay. I'm going to get to that in a minute, but I have to, I'm going to

01:39:39.640 start with this. How about we reference at the top of the show, the fact that the TSA is finally saying

01:39:44.280 that we do not have to wear our shoes anymore on board airplanes. You need to go through TSA.

01:39:53.140 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That we don't have to, we don't have to take them off. I hate to

01:39:57.520 take them off to go through TSA. I hate to say, I hate to sound like Kamala Harris,

01:40:00.160 but I've got pre-checked. So I haven't taken off my shoes in a while. You know, the whole shoe thing

01:40:04.040 was an outgrowth of the shoe bomber. Whose name was like Richard Reeve something. Richard Reeves.

01:40:10.180 Reeve or Reed. Yeah. Richard Reeve. Richard Reeve. Anyway, like it was like, it seemed to me a huge

01:40:15.460 overreaction. Like one guy put it in his shoe. And so for then on no liquids and no shoes. Uh,

01:40:22.400 like, I don't know. Uh, I guess, I guess, uh, I, I, I'm proud to live in a country where we can

01:40:28.840 figure out how to check the shoes while they're on your feet, as opposed to going. I was talking to

01:40:33.920 Paul Murray about this on sky news. Why not the belt? Why does the belt have to come off? What can

01:40:38.360 you hide in the belt? Yeah. I don't know. I'm for, I'm for safety, but I'm also for confidence.

01:40:44.900 But these are lies. These are lies. We were going through TSA. My son had a five ounce

01:40:49.920 toothpaste, not four, five stolen. They took it. Confiscated, confiscated. I'm like, he's literally

01:40:57.240 11. You think my 11 year old managed to get a bomb and his five ounce toothpaste, which would

01:41:01.420 have gotten through. What flavor was it? It was like the little, like the travel flavor of like the

01:41:07.300 kid, the kids, kids toothpaste, you know, it's got like, like bubble gum. Yeah. Like some sort

01:41:11.680 of sugary addition to it, which kind of defeats the purpose. Yeah. Again, the country's not that

01:41:17.100 advanced to know that bombs in four impossible bombs in five high security risk. And not only that,

01:41:25.040 you can bring multiple fours. So you can do four ounces of shampoo, four ounces of conditioner,

01:41:29.780 four ounces of face wash, four ounces of toner, four ounces of lotion, face cream, whatever that.

01:41:35.260 So if you're a bomber, why can, how can you make a bomb out of a five ounce toothpaste tube,

01:41:41.100 but not out of the multiple four ounces that Megyn Kelly has in her Ziploc bag? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. I

01:41:46.340 mean, the irrationality of the system is undermines our confidence, but I'm glad no one's going to be

01:41:51.760 taking their shoes off anymore, but I haven't taken my shoes off in a while. Right. Because you know,

01:41:56.380 what happens, Mark Halpern is you, you then have to put your little sweater in a bin that somebody's

01:42:03.020 disgusting shoes were just in that were walking all over the streets of New York,

01:42:06.460 or you've got to put your handbag that you're about to put over your shoulder in that same bin

01:42:11.220 that's got somebody's shoe filth all over it. This is, it was unsanitary. Yeah. But I'm being asked

01:42:17.400 all the time to sit on couches of dogs that sat on too. Well, look, we all know that the TSA

01:42:23.680 security system while technically for our safety is really about giving TSA agents the opportunity to

01:42:30.000 exercise their little modicum of power in a disproportionately large way. They get drunk

01:42:36.160 on their own power and then they abuse us by taking our toothpaste or our Johnson's and Johnson's baby

01:42:42.460 shampoo. One of my kids had like a small acne medicine. Oh, we're going to blow up the plane with

01:42:47.620 acne. It's like a teenager. What do you think we have it for? And they don't exercise discretion.

01:42:53.080 It's just, nope, we're taking it. Especially if it's a bottle of liquor, I'm just saying order must

01:42:59.480 be restored. And I believe Sean Duffy is going to do it. He's, he's been pretty good. I, Sean Duffy

01:43:05.280 is bringing humanity to air travel. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:43:23.080 Thank you.

01:43:29.480 Thank you, Sean.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 09, 2025

Biden's Doc Refuses to Talk, Epstein is Dividing MAGA, and David Muir's Wardrobe, with Mark Halperin ｜ Ep. 1104

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