The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Gay Marriage Lie, and Drew Barrymore Kneels Before Trans Celeb, with Charles Cooke, Madeleine Kearns, and Dave McCormick

00:00:00.000 today on the megan kelly show there's so many things that infuriate me about this clip

00:00:04.940 so i imitated how do you find the courage to keep being the joy with her it was so cringy her fake

00:00:13.340 smile her fake joy like this is an actress drew a barrymore is acting and what is she acting the

00:00:20.320 part of woke weak white woman praying at the transgender altar that's what that's her part

00:00:28.940 in this particular role and then to go on to say you know i um dylan says i can't imagine anyone

00:00:34.580 disliking you and drew do you know who sometimes dislike me the most myself as they're both kneeling

00:00:44.560 on the ground and then the floor feels safer maybe i should do the next presidential debate

00:00:50.360 from the floor perhaps i should have been sitting on the floor when i asked trump or any of these

00:00:54.960 other guys tough questions how weak is she to me it goes back to what we're saying before where are

00:01:01.020 the strong women where are forget like maddie said okay give me a nancy pelosi any day over this

00:01:07.560 pathetic display of i don't know what is it false strength by showing every weakness coming out of

00:01:14.040 your pores and it may all be an affectation which makes it even more insulting welcome to the megan

00:01:20.520 kelly show your home for open honest and provocative conversations

00:01:24.980 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show live from montana where we are in the

00:01:36.440 midst of a snowy blizzard day three of my kids spring break but i remain at the helm of the camera um

00:01:44.740 uh it's a good thing too because there's a ton of news a ton is going on right now fascinating and

00:01:49.840 disturbing um and in some cases as always with the news mildly amusing uh it is going to be war

00:01:55.840 between donald trump and future presidential candidate we all know he's running ron de santis

00:02:00.080 we knew this was coming remember when rick grinnell came on the show and said you gotta have to put on

00:02:05.260 your big boy pants and get ready this is not beanball it's presidential politics and now we're

00:02:10.300 starting to see the shape of the battle ahead plus our current president joe biden showing us all sorts

00:02:16.240 of reasons this week for why his staff largely keeps him away from sit-down interviews and i don't know

00:02:23.380 if you are on twitter or if you happen to see the screen grab and the clip of actress turned tv oprah

00:02:31.780 wannabe drew barrymore but it was one of the most cringy interviews you've ever seen she actually

00:02:40.040 knelt down before tiktok celebrity trans woman dylan mulvaney who's literally been on her journey

00:02:49.500 to become a woman for less than a year she's documenting her 365 days of girlhood but dylan

00:02:56.680 never had a girlhood because dylan is a biological man dylan goes on drew's show and drew barrymore

00:03:03.300 literally got down on her knees in front of her i have so many thoughts about this image and this

00:03:08.840 interview and we'll get to all of them uh with our panel this is a great day to have national review

00:03:14.460 day our pal charles cw cook is here senior writer and host of the charles cw cook podcast and madeline

00:03:21.560 kearns staff writer and senior fellow at the independent women's forum senior fellow and also

00:03:27.500 staff writer at national review and you can find both of their work on national review or through an

00:03:31.460 nr plus membership which i highly recommend saves you all the nonsense the ads and gets you all sorts of

00:03:36.540 fun extras charles welcome back maddie welcome to the show for the first time thanks so much for

00:03:41.260 having me it's a pleasure to be here thanks for having me i'm having like a little celebrity like

00:03:47.820 fawning moment i've never seen maddie kearns on camera maddie i've only ever heard your voice

00:03:52.880 and read your stuff on national review and on the editor so this is fun you're so young and you're so

00:03:57.640 bright and you're so brilliant and fearless so super fun to have our friends who originate from

00:04:02.980 across the pond uh but have come to call america home here on the mk show all right so let's start

00:04:08.520 with the quote grenade that trump is preparing to launch against desantis according to um political

00:04:16.860 this morning they say he has an extensive oppo file on ron quote desanctimonious sounds like he

00:04:24.060 might be settling on that one he's officially said he's rejecting meatball ron i guess too many of the

00:04:28.660 italians which i am part um got upset about that one so he's rejecting that ron desanctimonious it

00:04:34.900 is for now he um here's what they say he's doing trump he's looking deeply into desantis's record as a

00:04:42.760 prosecutor as a member of congress and as florida governor uh they have plans to accuse desantis of

00:04:48.600 being an extremely lenient prosecutor i'm quoting there in cases involving among other things child

00:04:55.460 pornography they have recently conducted focus groups and looked at polling uh to figure out

00:05:01.360 the best messaging to take on desantis um and they are basically getting ready to paint him as

00:05:08.760 mitt romney um mitch mcconnell type republican who the trump base could never get behind charles

00:05:16.800 i'll start with you how do you like that line for trump well i think that you are right when you said

00:05:27.680 earlier that politics ain't beanbag and that we get these big fights in primaries and in presidential

00:05:37.380 elections i do think though that there is something different about the way donald trump behaves he is

00:05:43.760 not constrained even acknowledging the brawl that politics becomes at election time in the way that

00:05:53.960 other candidates are and as a result he will probably say all manner of things that are flatly untrue

00:06:03.920 and i don't think one needs to speculate to assume that one only needs to look back to

00:06:10.060 2016 i mean one of the things that he suggested then was that ted cruz's father had killed jfk

00:06:19.940 perhaps not true uh if i'm desantis i'm going to be struggling to work out how to defend myself because

00:06:33.180 on the one hand you will see criticisms that will probably be echoed across the republican field

00:06:39.520 and probably echoed in the newspapers as well and then on the other hand you're going to get

00:06:45.120 lies and claims that come out of left field and that are quite hard to uh issue rejoined as to

00:06:53.860 as a result and this is of course donald trump's strength at one level that he doesn't play by the

00:07:00.400 same rules as everyone else it could also be a weakness i think that i think i may have said this to

00:07:06.440 before megan there is a difference between donald trump taking on someone say jeb bush who for

00:07:15.140 whatever reason was already distrusted by the primary electorate and donald trump taking on someone

00:07:22.900 who is pretty popular with the primary electorate donald trump benefited in 2016 from the fact that a good

00:07:29.260 number of the people he was running against were not the people that republicans wanted to represent

00:07:35.880 them there was a prerequisite dissatisfaction there that is not here with desantis and i don't know

00:07:42.460 the answer to this and it will depend on what happens but i do wonder whether some of those

00:07:48.000 crazier attacks some of those more transparently dishonest attacks uh will hurt desantis or they'll hurt

00:07:55.460 trump it's a good point um i personally am a fan of ted cruz i always joke with him i'm the one uh

00:08:02.580 but i like the guy i really do i if you get to know him personally he's actually very funny he's

00:08:08.180 very clever he's self-deprecating just his senate persona uh is different than that but yes he wasn't

00:08:14.780 the most popular guy when he was running for president the last time same with marco rubio wasn't really the

00:08:19.900 most popular they like him but he wasn't somebody who generated fury fire and fury among the gop base in

00:08:27.520 his in his corner and um now you have desantis who has in a unique way right in a unique way but the

00:08:35.140 maga base i think listens to one man and that is donald trump and donald trump tells them we are now

00:08:41.480 turning on desantis i think they are going to maddie i mean i he's already making the case trump is he

00:08:47.460 lives in desantis estate florida and um he's already making the case publicly now for those of you that

00:08:53.060 didn't notice florida was doing great long before ron got there he says it's not because of the

00:08:58.440 governor florida was doing fantastically you had a governor named rick scott who did a very good job

00:09:02.340 even charlie christ a democrat did a good job and he had very good numbers sunshine and ocean are very

00:09:08.480 alluring so just remember florida was doing really well long before desantis got here calls him ron

00:09:15.720 yeah so i think with trump he he obviously is is playing this as he created desantis and because he

00:09:27.380 is desantis creator in a political sense he also has the right to destroy him and uh going back to

00:09:34.180 what we're talking about earlier about introducing so many lines of attack i think i've mentioned before

00:09:39.940 on the editor's podcast this concept of gish galloping it's a debating uh tactic where you

00:09:46.200 introduce so many lines of attack without any regard for their strength or the merit of the argument

00:09:52.540 that your opponent simply finds it too time consuming to go around putting out all these fires that you've

00:09:59.800 started it's much quicker to start a fire than it is to put it out and that's what we're we're seeing

00:10:04.580 already with trump and desantis one thing that i do wonder though is obviously the republican strategy

00:10:11.400 in dealing with this from trump has always been to take the moral high ground and that has been

00:10:16.760 desantis's strategy so far is to say look i don't have time to smear other republicans i've got better

00:10:23.040 things to do i've got a state to be running but i do wonder given that the trump base are really

00:10:29.660 interested in the way that trump plays this and plays politics i wonder what would happen if desantis

00:10:35.040 were just to play nasty if he were to start saying donald trump is a loser he's a big loser he lost

00:10:42.480 2020 he lost georgia i don't know i mean fighting fire with fire is a risky strategy perhaps but i i don't see

00:10:49.700 the moral high ground getting desantis anywhere and you know charlie you remember last time around

00:10:56.800 trump has a way of pulling them all in you know he doesn't mind fighting from the gutter and he

00:11:04.380 is very effective at getting his opponents to go down there with him yeah and that's true but i think

00:11:11.000 maybe you and i do disagree on this a little bit megan or at least we anticipate how this plays out

00:11:15.740 differently because i think trump has a bit of a problem you just mentioned the florida claim that he

00:11:21.860 started to make he put out this video the other day where he said what you quoted now there's one

00:11:27.420 factual problem with it that won't matter in the primary and there's one that really will the one

00:11:31.200 that won't matter in the primary but amuse me as a floridian is that he left out jeb bush so he's

00:11:37.260 quoting uh all of these governors that he thinks did a good job he leaves out the guy who made modern

00:11:42.320 florida what it is because he doesn't like him and he includes charlie chris who really did did

00:11:46.800 nothing that's not going to hurt him what is going to hurt him is the claim that de santis was just

00:11:53.200 one in a long unbroken line of florida governors who benefited from the ocean and the sunshine and

00:12:01.020 the palm trees and the orange juice because it's not true and republicans especially know that that's

00:12:06.160 not true you don't have to like ron de santis or even want ron de santis to be the nominee to

00:12:11.620 understand that his being the governor uh during covet made an enormous difference and i hear floridians

00:12:20.240 say all the time some of them frankly are democrats they say what what would have happened if andrew

00:12:25.600 gilliam had won in 2018 which he almost did just how different would the covet experience have been

00:12:32.340 if florida had a democratic governor i think the answer to that is obvious i think we would have seen

00:12:39.000 much broader lockdowns i think we would have seen schools closed and mask mandates maybe even vaccine

00:12:46.700 mandates we certainly would not have seen 850 people a day moving in from other states predominantly

00:12:54.660 states with democratic governors and legislatures new york pennsylvania california maryland new jersey

00:13:02.920 because de santis made the decisions that he did and you don't even need to look at this from the

00:13:08.960 right you can look at it from the left who was the person during covet that the press was the most

00:13:14.660 unhinged about because of the policies that he instituted in florida that were different

00:13:19.540 from almost every other state with the exception maybe of georgia and south dakota and texas the answer

00:13:25.920 is ron de santis so it doesn't seem to me that that line of attack is going to work maybe another

00:13:33.180 one does maybe he gish gallops his way to the nomination as maddie says maybe he finds other ways

00:13:40.180 of undermining de santis whether they're true or not but that one i can't see it playing

00:13:45.880 well the other piece of it is de santis we as he's been pointing out lately and will continue to

00:13:52.880 he won florida the first time by what 35 000 votes and then this past time by something like 1.2 million

00:13:59.760 including turning miami-dade county completely red i mean those are the kinds of things that i hear from

00:14:05.820 the callers to this show even diehard trump fans who will acknowledge we do need somebody who can win

00:14:11.640 on the gop side and that kind of you know amassing yes votes for the gop side is attractive it's

00:14:19.940 attractive so that's something charlie christ didn't do that of course was de santis's opponent

00:14:24.680 this last time around it's something no other republican governor of florida has managed to do

00:14:29.600 it used to be a very tight state ron de santis is the one who turned it very red charlie

00:14:33.960 that's absolutely right i mean again the last person who did it was jeb bush republicans really

00:14:41.660 didn't win at all in florida until 1998 they'd won two competitive elections since the civil war

00:14:49.220 there were three florida governors after the civil war who were nominally republicans but they were

00:14:54.760 helped along in their election campaign by the fact that the opposition party was not allowed to fill

00:14:59.080 the candidate since 1998 republicans have won every single election people have thought that means that

00:15:05.460 florida has been a red state for the last 25 years it's not true and florida has begun to lean

00:15:11.040 republican over time but the elections other than jeb bush's re-election campaign 2002 have been pretty

00:15:18.000 close rick scott i think he was a good governor he's now the senator donald trump seems to like him

00:15:22.660 he won both races by a percentage point or less and it's worth noting that he won his first election

00:15:31.440 campaign uh for governor of florida in 2010 which was that massive tea party wave by one point

00:15:39.340 almost lost de santis won by 19 points last time around and it's who he won as well he won every

00:15:50.400 single education group he won hispanics uh he won a whole bunch of independents and some democrats

00:15:58.780 won people who had been in florida for a long time and people who had just moved in to florida he did

00:16:05.260 really well for a republican among younger people now that's not to say that this will translate neatly

00:16:12.240 into the rest of the country maybe it won't but it is to say that you saw a dramatic stand for a certain

00:16:22.180 sort of politics from ron de santis from the point at which covid became an issue to the point at which

00:16:30.620 covid faded away which it has in florida and he was then rewarded for that politics with a landslide

00:16:36.900 victory which is the opposite of what happened to donald trump i think it's going to be really tough

00:16:43.440 for trump to take de santis down on those grounds he's obviously something different in florida if

00:16:50.740 trump's going to do it it's going to have to be something else meanwhile i listened to the editors

00:16:57.300 uh a great podcast that comes out usually tuesdays and fridays and you were on there and the group the

00:17:03.500 group the gang was feeling pretty pessimistic about republican chances to take the white house

00:17:10.020 in 2024 joe biden is pretending it was not i think that was the consensus to do a shift to the middle

00:17:18.020 on certain policies and um you know there was an argument jim garrity suggested because he got a

00:17:23.300 new chief of staff now but in any event joe biden is purporting to do some sort of mild shift to the

00:17:29.180 center in advance of 2024 and um there was a real question amongst all of you whether trump or de

00:17:36.380 santis anybody on the gop side can take joe biden down over in democratic circles they're feeling more

00:17:43.440 bullish about joe biden and yet the weak link of kamala harris is still there and the democrats see

00:17:51.260 it too and there was an in-depth piece about how the party is pressuring it some of the pundits and

00:17:59.360 her detractors to get on board on cnn they did a big um in-depth piece democratic leaders want the

00:18:05.620 party to stop it's kamala harris pile on ahead of 2024 they first point out that elizabeth warren

00:18:12.760 who recently would not say whether she kamala harris should be his running mate she's now called

00:18:18.360 twice to apologize to kamala harris harris won't take the call so those two are fighting um it's

00:18:24.680 fed an ongoing breakdown of accusations and purported misunderstandings between them kamala

00:18:29.940 harris's team describes the incident as pretty insulting um and harris is trying to warn is

00:18:36.500 trying to take the knee and say oh she was just trying to like not step on a minefield of getting

00:18:41.560 ahead of a campaign announcement okay sure so harris's circle is quote infuriated um over this

00:18:49.260 whole thing and they're mad that she's quote never gotten the respect or support she deserves

00:18:53.900 quoting here multiple democratic democratic leaders contend that if people don't start feeling

00:18:58.100 more positive about the next person in line of succession they might turn away from the ticket

00:19:02.840 entirely they're urging allies to stop the harris pile on if only for biden's sake or for democrats sake

00:19:09.380 or the party's future uh maddie they think that this is just people being mean there's a quote in

00:19:16.440 there from some of harris's defenders saying what this is really about is americans need to get

00:19:21.100 used to quote a black woman in a position of political power that's the problem of these whiny democrats

00:19:27.620 and republican detractors and it's not weird awkward cringy moments where she uses the odd

00:19:34.900 cackle like just this one just pulled the latest one this does it i could have done 10 better but

00:19:39.320 it's just the most latest one where she's talking about i don't being a conservative or misunderstanding

00:19:43.600 what a conservative is when she was a kid sought for i'm gonna share with you a very simple story

00:19:49.680 which is that i went home one day and i said well what's why are conservatives bad mommy because i thought

00:19:55.780 we were supposed to conserve things i couldn't reconcile it now i can

00:20:02.840 is it over it's in okay so your thoughts on whether it's just these racist sexist americans

00:20:13.400 or it's a kamala harris problem it's a kamala harris problem and this has been obvious since

00:20:19.900 2020 it's easy to forget this now but during the 2020 uh presidential campaign kamala harris was

00:20:28.220 universally recognized as a very weak candidate there were pieces in the times cnn commenting on

00:20:35.280 this very fact and of course that the problem was joe biden wanted a woman of color as his bp and that

00:20:43.100 narrowed the field uh and looking at not who's the most qualified politician who's the most talented

00:20:49.640 politician but who who ticks this box and ever since she's been a cringy disappointing gaffe prone i mean

00:20:59.140 she did that interview in june 2021 about why she hadn't visited the border and she did another

00:21:07.340 awkward cackle and and said well i've not visited europe as if that in any way answered the question

00:21:14.200 um and actually she she stopped giving interviews for almost a year after that experience it was so

00:21:20.780 traumatic for her and of course there was another mortifying moment where she uh confused south korea

00:21:28.200 and north korea i mean we we have a lot a lot a lot of gaffes to choose from if we're if we're going

00:21:33.760 through him so you can understand why people in the party think she's not up to the job why she is a

00:21:39.480 liability but they also have a point that this is very much a team sport especially when you currently

00:21:47.240 have the presidency and given joe biden's age given he is also gaffe prone and not particularly

00:21:53.980 uh good at interviews it is important that people have that unity and it is isn't a good look to have

00:22:01.580 uh elizabeth warren maybe with through a freudian slip give the impression that she she doesn't

00:22:07.980 really think that harris is all that well i mean you don't have to look very far into the kamala harris

00:22:14.840 bank of soundbites to find how underwhelming she is how unimpressive she is uh producer canadian

00:22:22.960 debbie pulled one of her favorites which is just kamala harris's obsession with the venn diagram

00:22:27.720 i don't it's just you can't go wrong going into this bank here's a little

00:22:33.220 remember venn diagrams those three circles right and then let's just see where they overlap you will

00:22:40.340 not be surprised because i have constructed a venn diagram on this remember those three circles how

00:22:45.300 they overlap i love venn diagrams so i just do whenever you're dealing with conflict pull out a

00:22:52.140 venn diagram right and so you know the three circles and so i so i asked my team right

00:22:58.460 he sees the venn diagram of it all he sees that there are those circles and maybe people seem that

00:23:05.920 they're a little different they live in different parts of the country there may be different age or

00:23:08.900 different race but that area in the middle that overlap i like i don't get it is she i i the

00:23:17.840 uncharitable part of me charlie would say this is not a very smart person but my experience as a

00:23:23.240 lawyer tells me you don't get to be the attorney general of the state of california and i realize

00:23:27.080 her identity issues that helped her get to that post but you know that's a that's a challenging

00:23:32.180 position to hold and they don't normally put a bunch of morons in it like i genuinely look at her

00:23:37.440 and think i don't understand why she talks the way she does why she sounds the way she does

00:23:42.780 it's probably a slightly less challenging position to get to when you've been sleeping with willie

00:23:48.480 brown i think she's an idiot i've long thought that she's an idiot and worse than that i find her

00:23:56.000 excruciating as a candidate people in the united states or any free country allowed to elect idiots

00:24:02.720 but she's off-putting she's not underwhelming she's off-putting that display that you just offered up is

00:24:10.780 it's it's baffling it it's i think she thinks she's cute i think she thinks it's a cute foible yes

00:24:20.660 you're right and it's not she talks all the time as if she hasn't read the brief someone pointed out

00:24:31.680 to me she's like the person in the class who hasn't read the book that gives the presentation anyway and

00:24:36.460 not once or twice and not on a few topics but on every topic she is a terrible terrible person and

00:24:43.620 politician uh in 2019 i wrote a piece saying that i was so thrilled that she had had to drop out of the

00:24:49.760 race because she was precisely the sort of person that we don't want in american politics she's an

00:24:55.740 authoritarian she's dishonest she sees the angles and cynically pursues them and then of course she was

00:25:05.480 made vice president and i thought well got that one wrong she didn't get her just desserts for her

00:25:13.360 conduct in her political career and her conduct during the primary but actually she has got her

00:25:18.200 just desserts because she's wildly unpopular and deserves to be so she is causing the democratic party

00:25:25.200 an endless supply of headaches and she will continue to do so in the future in my estimation

00:25:31.360 it does not especially matter whether the democratic party can come together and

00:25:37.960 stop criticizing kamala harris if the new york times stops running pieces about how she's a liability

00:25:44.920 if elizabeth warren writes a book saying kamala harris is the greatest person who's ever lived

00:25:50.300 none of that matters because kamala harris is not going to change perhaps in the first couple of

00:25:56.460 months of her vice presidency you could say it's nerves and it's unfamiliarity with the office

00:26:02.740 these are trying times or what you will but we're now closer to the next election than to the last one

00:26:09.640 and she has not improved in fact i think she's devolved this is not going to change it doesn't

00:26:17.140 really matter whether a united front is placed before her she's a liability she's probably the best thing

00:26:26.080 joe biden has going for him in terms of his selection as the nominee in 2024 and if she somehow

00:26:31.880 becomes president which i don't think will be via election if it happens she's going to be a

00:26:36.960 millstone around the democrats neck for all the republican party's problems and they are significant

00:26:42.980 as she said i am not convinced that republicans are going to win the next election i think they're

00:26:47.820 too frivolous at the moment and too divided but if she becomes the president the democrats will have a

00:26:54.860 lot of problems because she's just not up to it she's not likable she won't command great support

00:26:58.620 and after an initial honeymoon she will sink into the basement of approval rating i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:27:04.100 get to joe biden and whether you know what his health problems are that's why she's so relevant you

00:27:08.600 know it's he's a very old man and doesn't seem to be doing particularly well notwithstanding that joke

00:27:13.640 of a doctor's report that didn't reveal you know the cognitive abilities or the testing that had

00:27:18.040 happened so people are worried about her for a very good reason but before i get to that can i ask you

00:27:22.420 maddie um you know over in the uk we've had strong female leaders you know not to mention the queen

00:27:28.200 but i'm thinking of people like margaret thatcher who had an air of authority who you know took the

00:27:32.460 helm and instilled confidence very controversial obviously in some circles especially my irish ones

00:27:37.220 but you can't you can't say she didn't project authority confidence and uh just an overall

00:27:43.760 intelligence that you could easily buy into that is not the case with kamala harris let's be honest

00:27:49.280 it's not and i i'm sorry to say it but it's not exactly the case in my opinion with nikki haley

00:27:55.220 either that's another person who i like who i could get behind you know i could definitely pull the

00:27:59.720 lever for nikki haley however i think she's very undermined by her affect her her voice the way she

00:28:06.060 projects it's it's too weak for my preference and i think for a gop base that will be hard i mean it

00:28:15.720 might be hard to to lure them over into voting for a woman at the top of the ticket this time around

00:28:20.600 and i don't think somebody who projects who projects anything other than i'm in command

00:28:25.760 trustworthy smart and a strong leader could do it what are your thoughts well first it's funny that

00:28:33.600 you mentioned margaret thatcher because it reminds me of the the fact that right-wing women aren't real

00:28:39.560 women because people rarely acknowledge that she was this great female leader they associate her

00:28:45.760 especially in the uk but they associate her with controversy with with uh certainly strength but they

00:28:52.420 don't necessarily think of her as being a woman and i actually think that that is what what the the end

00:28:59.680 goal should be with female equality and leadership is the first thing people should think isn't oh great

00:29:06.040 for a woman but just she's a great leader she has the qualities that we need and certainly part of that

00:29:12.980 is charisma and i think you're right i think nikki haley underperforms there i think that certainly that

00:29:20.300 all of the progressive uh candidates that are eligible for this fall short there i think somebody who was

00:29:28.720 actually pretty good at that was nancy pelosi uh loath her though many on the right do i think that

00:29:35.520 she certainly had that seriousness about her and commanded uh attention certainly if not respect

00:29:42.960 you know who else and i realize she's controversial maddie but carrie lake had it let's put aside the

00:29:48.140 election denialism for a second but just in terms of persona projection handling herself in front of a

00:29:53.560 crowd she had it like elise stefanik rising star on the gop part she's got it it's not like it doesn't

00:29:59.860 exist but it's whether it exists in the women who are before us right now as potential candidates

00:30:05.100 right exactly yeah carrie lake is a great example of this and she was very telegenic like i i mean i i hate

00:30:12.220 to pretend that looks don't matter but they do unfortunately you know it's part of being charismatic

00:30:17.000 that applies to men as well as uh as women charlie's made this point before in the podcast that

00:30:22.080 it helps if you are tall if you're a man uh it's it's gives you stature it gives you presence

00:30:28.780 and yeah these these are things that that are relevant and unfortunately we're in short supply of

00:30:34.340 them so on the joe biden front charlie i know you and the guys over there and the gals at national

00:30:40.540 review have had some concerns about his ability to serve right now never mind a second term but fear not

00:30:46.300 because flotus dr jill biden doctor um would like you to know he's accomplished feats that even 30

00:30:53.800 year olds could not accomplish uh here she is talking about his recent trip to ukraine sat six

00:31:00.080 what do you say to those people who say maybe he's too old to be president how many 30 year olds could

00:31:09.240 travel to poland get on the train go nine more hours go to ukraine meet with president zelensky

00:31:18.680 charlie so literally every single one of them could do that this is a weird tick that i've noticed with

00:31:28.760 people around joe biden i was trying to find this the other day and i couldn't but there was some

00:31:34.840 incident about six months ago where a reporter asked someone in the white house you know is the

00:31:42.460 president too old to serve and instead of saying no he's not too old to serve which is a fine answer

00:31:49.420 not convinced it's true but it's a fine answer this person said he astonishes us with his stamina

00:31:56.420 and we can't stay out in the sun like he can we can't stay up as late as he can this person was about

00:32:01.760 35 which isn't true i don't understand the need to move from yes he's able to serve as president

00:32:10.000 to he is more accomplished and more able to serve as a president physically than a young person would

00:32:19.180 be what does jill biden mean when she says what 30 year old could do that i mean and it's also the

00:32:26.220 examples are great i mean she says what 30 year old could get on a plane let alone air force one which

00:32:31.300 has a bed on it what 30 year old could get on a train what 30 year old could sit in a meeting

00:32:37.280 i mean it's absolutely ridiculous if you go back in american history you'll find examples

00:32:43.920 john quincy adams comes to mind of americans doing that when they were 17 my grandfather

00:32:49.700 grew up on an in an orchard on a farm you know walked halfway across north africa in his mid-20s

00:32:57.360 fighting uh the nazis and then in italy fighting mussolini like of course younger people can do this

00:33:05.440 stuff that's not the question at hand um and i think it really does betray a certain insecurity

00:33:12.440 it's the answer that you give when you are aware that the question has something to it

00:33:18.780 it is over compensation it is a a hyperbolic pretense in the face of a genuine concern for this

00:33:29.600 campaign and i honestly don't say that with any glee it is not nice to sit and watch anyone let alone

00:33:36.760 the president of the united states obviously slow down in the way that president biden has not just

00:33:43.480 since he was a senator or vice president but while he's been president but we can still see it and no

00:33:50.020 amount of pretense that he is superman is going to change that i have a theory i think she's secretly

00:33:56.800 thinking about the biden children i think she's thinking about hunter the daughter's had some

00:34:01.360 troubles she's that's she's like there's no way any normal 30 year old could accomplish any of this

00:34:06.060 well yeah that's actually yeah there's a way all right so next i want to get to joe biden did sit

00:34:11.740 for an interview and joe biden appears to have made up more stories about his youth and why they

00:34:17.820 give him a particular insight into what it's like to be president and also how evil the republicans

00:34:22.880 are we'll have that right after this quick quick break more with charlie and maddie on our national

00:34:27.060 review day show joe biden decides to sit down for an interview uh not this time with 60 minutes

00:34:35.620 certainly not with uh fox news during the super bowl halftime show but with the daily show

00:34:40.000 with the comedy show the daily show which had uh substitute hosts i don't think they found a new

00:34:46.300 host since trevor noah left and um here is a guy i think he used to work for the obama administration

00:34:52.440 didn't he i can't remember um his name is cal penn yeah he did he did so he takes aim uh at a couple

00:35:00.080 of things and let me just start with this one where he's talking about his epiphany his epiphany

00:35:05.200 on gay marriage joe biden's epiphany it was set up by the interviewer which is why i came back into

00:35:10.560 the news and um we'll start there here it is i'm curious what your evolution was like on marriage

00:35:18.940 equality and what the federal government might be able to do to protect lgbtq americans especially

00:35:26.260 trans kids who are dealing with all these regressive state laws that are popping up right now

00:35:31.580 i can remember exactly where my epiphany was i remember about to get out of the car and i looked

00:35:37.620 to my right and two well-dressed men in suits kissed each other and i'll never forget i turned and looked

00:35:43.900 to my dad he said joey it's simple they love each other it's just that simple maddie it's just that

00:35:52.780 simple he had this epiphany he had it back in the 1960s and that has been his truth ever since

00:36:01.580 that simple in that like the rest of the world he was had had an understanding of marriage being

00:36:09.160 between a man and woman until it became politically unsustainable to have that position and this is

00:36:15.580 reflected in his voting record this is reflected in his rhetoric it's it's not abnormal because that's

00:36:22.060 how everybody spoke in the 90s and and before um so it it reminds me actually of the way that

00:36:29.060 quite often transgender identifying individuals will create this fantastical history for themselves

00:36:34.840 in which they knew they were a member of the opposite sex at age four and yet they knew this

00:36:41.280 but they went on to live a completely to borrow a word heteronormative life until middle age so an

00:36:48.380 example of somebody who does this is richard now rachel levine who discovered at age four that he was

00:36:55.400 really a girl but then went on to marry a woman and father children and decide that he was no longer

00:37:01.620 a woman around 50 so it's it's just fantasy it's sheer fantasy now why does he say it uh well he says it

00:37:10.580 because it's it conveniently glosses over the fact that he has had this unexplained evolution in his

00:37:17.940 thinking and that the most the easiest explanation of the evolution is that it's not actually based on

00:37:24.280 thinking joe biden goes with the winds he goes with whatever wherever the democratic party is going

00:37:31.540 he's there and this is especially evident on the transgender issue i seriously doubt that he even

00:37:38.140 really understands what people are claiming what's being disputed he was once asked how many genders are

00:37:45.060 and he said at least three uh which which fair enough it's covers them covers them from making

00:37:52.380 some sort of dreadful faux pas in the activist's eyes but you know i don't think this is really

00:37:58.080 something that's particularly close to his heart but he knows what's expected of him and what he's

00:38:04.200 supposed to say he knows that it's popular he knows this is what the the young folks are talking

00:38:09.540 about these days and what they feel passionate about so there he is old uncle joe just talking

00:38:15.340 about loving each other and being nice and it's right he wants to claim the moral high ground like

00:38:20.560 he saw the truth before anybody charles and david harsanyi of the federalist had a great take on this

00:38:26.140 which he says um he goes okay so he had an epiphany after seeing two well-dressed men kissing in 1961

00:38:35.580 working class wilmington delaware but then voted for the defense of marriage act as recently as 1996

00:38:41.380 he writes this of course never happened he says um as i've noted before biden is a practitioner of

00:38:49.300 the george costanza school of it's not a lie if you believe it he says we're probably a year away

00:38:56.560 from biden telling media about the time he dated a drag queen named head of hair in college because

00:39:00.980 his dad had told him joey gender is just a social construct one does wonder whether there's any true

00:39:07.780 word in that little statement he just gave the daily show yeah well there's two problems with it the

00:39:13.460 first one is that it's a lie and i think we should dwell on that for a moment joe biden is a pathological

00:39:20.780 liar joe biden lies and lies and lies he lies about things big he lies about things small and the fact

00:39:28.420 that donald trump is also a pathological liar and a worse one does not change that i think biden gets

00:39:34.580 away with a lot of his lying which is a character trait he's exhibited for 40 years because donald trump

00:39:40.600 who was his opponent last time around and maybe next time is also a liar but he shouldn't one of the

00:39:47.020 things that was promised by the biden camp in 2019 and 2020 was i will bring truth and honor and decency

00:39:54.520 back to the presidency well he hasn't he just lies all the time on all manner of issues this is a lie

00:40:01.480 in 1960 two well-dressed men kissed each other and his father who was born in fifth at 1915

00:40:08.280 said to him oh you know what joey that's just love this is not true and as she pointed out it's not true

00:40:15.920 because it was subsequently affirmed by joe biden over and over again that marriage was between a man

00:40:22.680 and a woman and not just as recently as 1996 but after that there are clips of biden on television

00:40:28.820 in the 2000s saying that it's settled that marriage is between a man and here's at the 2008 asked at the

00:40:37.080 2008 vice presidential debate asked if he would support gay marriage biden unreservedly answered

00:40:42.700 in the negative this is quoting from national review no no i didn't hear anything about the joey

00:40:48.420 and the two well-dressed men in 1961 so it's a lie but the second reason that it matters is that

00:40:54.680 it's totalitarian it is a totalitarian approach to history that requires whatever changes that we

00:41:02.260 make now and look i'm in favor of gay marriage i've been in favor of gay marriage for a long time

00:41:06.440 to be post-rationalized to have the the building blocks of history filled in and the insistence made

00:41:16.220 that things have always been this way so instead of saying that he changed his mind and he was

00:41:22.820 relatively early he changed his mind before barack obama did publicly he was after dick cheney which

00:41:28.640 always gets missed out but he was really early for an elected politician instead of saying i was one of

00:41:35.040 the first people who changed my mind he has to pretend that he's believed this since 1961

00:41:40.640 and that his father has believed this since 1915 obviously that isn't true and it matters that it

00:41:48.700 isn't true if you look at someone like rob portman who changed his mind on gay marriage when he was

00:41:54.880 asked why he said because of my son which is true that's how a lot of people change their minds on stuff

00:42:00.980 they see people around them they come up against new circumstances they're convinced by arguments or

00:42:07.180 maybe they just go along with the majority and don't want to be bullied but they acknowledge

00:42:10.760 that at one point they thought one thing and at another point they thought another thing that's

00:42:15.540 normal human change now it doesn't mean it's right i know maddie and i disagree on this maddie makes a

00:42:21.280 great case against but it is how people evolve as they get older on one or other issues and the fact

00:42:29.440 that he has to change history so that he was always on the right side of an idea that frankly did not

00:42:35.500 occur to most americans until about 2001 and that did not appeal to most americans until about 2015

00:42:43.060 is creepy it is of a piece with rewriting books or airbrushing people out of photographs uh it is

00:42:53.000 it is a weird totalitarian instinct that we should resist as a culture you know what it kind of reminds

00:43:00.460 me of the whole blackface scandal that you know caught me up at nbc where i was saying back when

00:43:07.680 i was a kid in the 70s people would do this not caricature blackface but you know wearing darker

00:43:13.660 skin color tinting their skin to dress up as like michael jordan or michael jackson or somebody they

00:43:18.600 admired and when when that all blew up you had all these people on the left including justin trudeau who

00:43:25.260 had done it so many times he couldn't remember come out and say no it's always been wrong and

00:43:30.400 everyone has always known from the beginning of time how wrong it was it was like well then why

00:43:36.380 did you do it all those times like why why can't we say to in today's day and age we recognize it's

00:43:41.580 wrong and it's offensive but there was a long period of decades in which people were putting it on tv

00:43:45.780 opening the oscars and black like why must the left go with this we've been the only ones in on the

00:43:51.320 truth and everybody on the other side of us has been confused and terrible you know all along

00:43:56.360 there are versions of othello that were filmed in the 1940s and 50s starring extremely famous extremely

00:44:04.180 accomplished actors none of the reviews for those movies said this is inappropriate as we all know

00:44:11.920 no white actor should play othello because it involves putting makeup on his face now you would

00:44:17.300 not see that now whether or not it's right or wrong that you would not see that whether it would

00:44:20.840 be offensive for a white actor to play othello is a separate question but now there is a general

00:44:25.900 social prohibition against doing that we know it wasn't there in the 40s and 50s because the people

00:44:31.160 who saw laurence olivier or orson welles doing othello did not say oh my goodness look at what he's

00:44:36.540 doing they said he played it beautifully so yeah i mean this this is part of the same thing which is that

00:44:44.460 any social change both good and bad has to be flattened such that we convince ourselves that it

00:44:52.480 was always the case and it's not right and but but not that it was always the case just that the

00:44:58.780 enlightened people maddie they they understood it they got it and the other people presumably

00:45:03.520 republicans never got it because they didn't have a dad who said love is love joey but there's a moral

00:45:08.980 superiority baked into the whole act yeah i mean it's the it's the fundamental misunderstanding of

00:45:16.180 human nature in order to absolve yourself of any part in anything wrong ever it's basically you're

00:45:23.820 totally sinless and there's other people out there who are sinners and they need to be recognized and

00:45:30.760 shamed and you see this in in the way we now judge history as well it's not the case that historical

00:45:36.880 figures where like all of us a mixture of good and bad a mixture of a product of our environment but

00:45:42.980 also our own individual choices and the ways that we uh overcame our environment or in some ways to

00:45:48.980 come to our environment good or bad we don't look at that complexity of human psychology more we just say

00:45:54.020 that person over there was racist let's tear down his statue let's uh honor and revere this this other

00:46:00.760 person who was an activist but like overlook all the complicated morally controversial things they did

00:46:06.000 um but i think what what is fundamentally at root of that is arrogance it's a it's a moral arrogance

00:46:12.880 it's thinking that you yourself uh are are above it all you're you're better than other people

00:46:19.040 you you don't do anything wrong you've never judged anyone in a way that's harsh or critical and it makes

00:46:25.920 you feel good to to find these other people and shame them makes you feel good that's why that's why

00:46:30.260 they do like all that sort of kind compassion that joe biden shows for his son hunter who's so troubled

00:46:36.460 that the democrats applaud him for he has none of that compassion for america for its natural

00:46:42.860 evolution and in his case maddie it's even more offensive because i think we all agree it's an act

00:46:48.420 it's a lie he doesn't actually have these you know oh you know the poor gay people love his love

00:46:54.640 he came to it perhaps organically but he did not feel that way for the vast majority of his life

00:46:59.940 including all the way up to 2008 so it's actually an act in his case to get votes yeah exactly and i

00:47:07.960 think most most people can recognize that as what it is but unfortunately this is the currency now

00:47:14.580 that in order to get anywhere you have to play this game in fact we have a really interesting uh

00:47:21.400 situation playing out just now in scotland i i understand this is probably of limited interest

00:47:25.400 to your peers but there are two candidates to replace the first minister and um one of one of

00:47:32.100 them is a muslim and one of them's a christian and they both oppose gay marriage but the christian's

00:47:35.660 been on about it honest about it and the muslim hasn't and everyone is fine with that they don't

00:47:40.460 care because they just want you to say the things you're supposed to say right it's disturbing even

00:47:46.500 though everybody knows what's true that's actually one of the things that's interesting to me about

00:47:50.100 that drew barrymore clip is how fake it was i'm going to get to that it's like i'm dying to talk

00:47:54.760 to you guys about it when we come back i'm gonna take a quick break i want to talk about what else

00:47:58.500 biden said because he tried to shame same similar theme try to shame those who think there aren't a

00:48:04.340 million genders shame those who think we shouldn't be allowing the mutilation of children under the age

00:48:09.580 of 18 uh as bad people as sinful people all right so now we're playing the catholic or the christian card

00:48:15.500 um we'll pick it up there and then we'll get into the rest of it the drew barry more among them uh

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00:48:39.560 so uh joe biden went on in this interview with the daily show to take a shot at people who do not

00:48:48.140 support transition gender transition treatments for children under the age of 18 here's what he said

00:48:55.800 what's going on in florida is as my mother would say close to sinful i mean it's just terrible what

00:49:03.360 they're doing it's not like you know a kid wakes up one morning and says you know i decided i want

00:49:09.700 to become a man or i want to become a woman or i want to change i mean what what what are they

00:49:15.760 thinking about here they're human beings they love they have feelings they have inclinations that are

00:49:22.320 i mean it just to me is i don't know it's cruel

00:49:27.960 maddie kearns what a dishonest synopsis of this problem completely disingenuous

00:49:35.900 yeah i mean as if anybody doubts that these children have feelings they love they feel

00:49:43.040 whatever that's not what's at debate here the debate is about whether it is clinically

00:49:48.800 appropriate to put them on a path to irrevocable harm i mean it is it is harmful now you might you

00:49:57.080 might make the case that transition is the harms of transition are necessary to to overcome this

00:50:03.320 other harm of feeling distressed there's very little evidence to suggest that's the case but

00:50:08.160 you might make that argument but it is definitely harmful it is going to render the child infertile

00:50:13.740 it is going to have uh serious effects um if they want to have a normal adult sex life at some point

00:50:19.960 there i mean these are really huge decisions and you see this debate play out uh with much more

00:50:26.820 honesty in europe with with liberals saying actually we should really be more cautious here and he just

00:50:32.780 glosses right past all of that and makes a categorical moral judgment that this is uh close to sinful i do i do

00:50:41.680 think it's interesting that he's saying it's close to sinful you're not really allowed to say anything

00:50:47.180 sinful anymore but he didn't receive any backlash for this i assume because it is okay to say things

00:50:54.600 are sinful when it happens to overlap with what the secular religion deems to be sinful um so you have

00:51:02.680 this very strange use of religious terminology here uh in making this moral judgment you know

00:51:10.440 part of the what's annoying about the soundbite charles is kids are waking up and saying you know

00:51:17.020 what i'm a different gender that's part of the problem right now transgender gender dysphoria used

00:51:22.000 to be something that we recognized was a real issue they used to call it a disorder where a kid from birth

00:51:28.360 from the from the first days of being able to think would later say he felt confused about the body that

00:51:34.740 he was in right it typically was affecting young boys who can remember very early childhood memories

00:51:40.400 where they were convinced they were girls and have this actual thing called gender dysphoria what's

00:51:44.700 happening in today's day and age as documented by lisa litman at brown by abigail schreier and

00:51:49.200 irreversible damage and others is it has become a social contagion where your totally female daughter

00:51:56.560 at age 16 instead of cutting or resorting to anorexia to deal with the pressures of youth and teenage

00:52:02.420 and coming of age uh decides instead she's not in the right body and you know what she's a boy and

00:52:08.320 instead of farming that out or you know threshing it out and looking at whether it's true we just

00:52:14.000 start calling her by a boy's name and advising she take hormones or you know cross-sex hormones or

00:52:18.900 puberty blockers etc so he's actually wrong in the way he's talking about it and the way in which he's

00:52:24.280 wrong is actually really part of this problem we should not be giving cross-gender hormones to a girl

00:52:30.420 like that we should not be just knee-jerk saying oh you know she didn't just come up with this we

00:52:35.620 should actually be probing what's what's truly at issue yeah he's wrong in both parts of his answer

00:52:42.260 he's wrong as you say and pretending there's no social contagion there very obviously is the social

00:52:47.320 contagion and in fact there would be a social contagion even if you were sympathetic to the underlying trend

00:52:53.080 bill maher pointed out that the difference in the rates of this between san francisco and rural ohio

00:53:01.860 suggests that this is something that people have picked up do you also look at who it is

00:53:09.340 that says that their children are transgender it's not randomly distributed you see people who say i have

00:53:16.100 two or three transgender children or transgender activists suddenly have children who are

00:53:22.580 transgender there is very obviously here a social contagion effect the other reason his argument

00:53:28.600 is absurd is that it is a non-sequitur he says well these are people yes they love yes the question

00:53:38.580 is whether or not we should permit or even encourage children minors people who are not made

00:53:45.280 um uh not made available to them that the full range of choices that adults enjoy question is whether

00:53:53.520 we should permit irreversible surgeries and you you can acknowledge that a child is a person or that

00:54:02.340 they live and love and laugh uh that they bleed when pricked um without for example thinking it's a good

00:54:10.080 idea to give them a handgun that question is one that we set as a society we have rules on how old a

00:54:17.900 person has to be before they can buy a gun or carry a gun that are not affected by our understanding that

00:54:23.920 those children are people uh that they love uh we have rules on when people are permitted to drink

00:54:32.100 alcohol again my children are people my children uh are capable of living and laughing i don't give

00:54:39.820 them a whiskey at six o'clock in the evening it is a total non-sequitur um it's really an attempt to get

00:54:46.980 around the key issue here which is is this an appropriate medical treatment or not now we have that

00:54:54.220 debate for adults and i have my own views on it as i know maddie does but there is a difference

00:54:58.700 between a 20 year old saying i'm going to go into surgery to change myself in much the same way as

00:55:05.580 they might say i'm going to get a tattoo on my face uh and a child doing it we do not allow the

00:55:11.660 same rules to apply in most areas to children we don't allow them to borrow money we don't allow them

00:55:19.220 to join the army or vote or smoke or drink or carry firearms and i just don't see this as right and i

00:55:27.380 don't see this as being different and the reason that we don't do that and contracts is a great

00:55:31.380 example of this um is that we don't imagine in most circumstances that minors are able to consent

00:55:38.080 in any meaningful way and that is the core question here i'm with maddie on this but even if i weren't

00:55:46.280 the issue of consent is crucial because some of these kids are five six seven eight ten so yeah they can

00:55:52.180 love they love their parents yeah they're human beings yeah i'm sure they're friendly and they smile

00:55:56.340 but they can't consent that's the only question that needs debating and it is very interesting to

00:56:01.860 me that he completely declined to do so and instead pretended that what we were debating whether or not

00:56:08.620 the children in question are human which is really i don't think disputed by anyone no it's infuriating

00:56:14.820 i mean i had a debate with somebody who i respect on twitter the other day who is there was a lamentation

00:56:20.160 that california has just introduced similar legislation saying that um the the it was from

00:56:26.000 a democratic senator saying a desantis style bill was just introduced in california to require teachers

00:56:30.100 and counselors to inform parents of a kid ids as a gender not on their birth certificate and a social

00:56:37.700 worker who i follow and like said this is inappropriate i mean i'm sort of the first defense if a kid comes

00:56:44.400 in and tells me that he's transgender you know yes i try to encourage them to talk to their parents

00:56:49.040 about it but if they don't talk to me about it then they're just going to live in silence and suffering

00:56:52.840 and i completely disagree i support this legislation a hundred percent if my kid went into a school

00:56:59.940 social worker and said something about thinking they were in the wrong body or transitioning and the school

00:57:04.720 didn't tell me i would sue them with every i would use every dollar i have to sue the school to sue the

00:57:11.940 social worker to get people protesting outside to get the legislation changed if it needed to change

00:57:16.840 to publicly humiliate them i would i would go crazy on them this is deeply wrong you may not have secrets

00:57:24.160 with my child about self-harm which is what this is it's in the same category to me maddie as my kid

00:57:31.580 going in there and saying i'm suicidal i'm thinking about hurting myself that's where this is that's what

00:57:36.720 you're going to cut out a huge piece of your forearm and create a fake phallus that's what you want to do

00:57:40.740 and you're talking about it openly and no one no one's going to tell me oh we'll see about that

00:57:46.840 yeah there's a an interesting difference in the way this particular aspect of the transgender debate

00:57:52.660 has played out in the u.s versus the uk in the u.s it's very much been that mama bears saying over my

00:58:00.040 dead body you know you'll have to you you want to transition my child behind my back like you you

00:58:06.400 just you just wait i'm going to bring hell down on you as you just articulated very well in in the uk

00:58:12.740 it's interesting because the emphasis is less we're less of a rights-based culture in some respect

00:58:18.520 and the the conversation has been much more of a child safeguarding and it is deeply creepy and deeply

00:58:27.480 sinister to be having conversations uh keeping mummy and daddy in the dark deliberately at school

00:58:35.780 especially when you're getting to that area of your sexed body and potentially overlap with

00:58:43.380 sexuality or whatever it is it's deeply sinister and i honestly think like there there should be if we

00:58:49.560 could blend these two narratives these two ways of fighting back it's yes fundamentally the parents

00:58:57.140 rights i 100 agree and support that but it is also so creepy like who do these people think they are

00:59:04.300 what like what weirdos that they they want to take on this right of children that they aren't related

00:59:10.600 to talk to them about deeply personal things about their bodies i mean we we train children to be

00:59:17.380 suspicious um and and cautious against adults who do that adults who who encourage them to to turn away

00:59:24.400 from their families turn away from their mum and dad and adults who want to talk to them about things

00:59:28.360 that are not appropriate for them to be talking to them about different perhaps if you're if you're

00:59:32.160 seeing uh a doctor but again only if you have that parent there so i i really think the whole thing

00:59:38.860 is just bizarre and i'm surprised more people don't say outright how how sinister it really is

00:59:45.660 there's they're starting to i mean slowly but surely yeah so yeah the groomer thing so this leads me to

00:59:51.980 it's not about the kids but uh the drew barrymore thing that i've been teasing i don't know if you guys

00:59:56.700 saw this i don't watch that show it's it's amazing to me it's it's gone up in the ratings since she

01:00:01.460 launched it but it's only got like a million and a half viewers i mean every show on fox in the

01:00:06.820 prime time or early prime completely trounces this and i guarantee you the budget is 10 times

01:00:11.660 any of those fox news shows like the amount of money that they pour into a program like this for

01:00:16.880 such little returns baffles um in any event she had on dylan mulvaney who's been quote a girl for a

01:00:25.800 year and has been documenting dylan's quote 365 days of girlhood which dylan isn't habit having

01:00:33.640 because dylan's not a girl and never had a girlhood dylan is a grown biological man who's now declared

01:00:38.920 that dylan is trans um dylan has had the facial the feminization surgery and been very public with

01:00:46.900 this transition very popular on social media so goes on the drew barrymore show and i would submit

01:00:52.340 to the audience that what is most bizarre here dylan is the normal one dylan is not behaving

01:00:59.080 to me in any particularly odd way drew barrymore is and to the listening audience please go to

01:01:06.200 youtube later and click on this point we are what one one twelve an hour twelve into the show so you

01:01:11.380 can slide forward and take a look at this video for yourself here it is honored i'm thrilled to meet you

01:01:19.440 i really am this is um it's very personal for me in a world where we're all trying to figure out

01:01:26.500 who we're supposed to be the risk yes bravery i do think that there was so much that came up this

01:01:35.560 year that i had no idea that i was going to have to figure out in womanhood so much of my audience is

01:01:42.220 a younger demographic and i sort of would love to show transness in a way that we haven't seen it

01:01:48.020 before where do you find the strength to keep being the joy well i think having my chosen family

01:01:55.840 and the people that i love to take care of me it's interesting because i look at someone like you

01:02:00.880 and i can't imagine anybody disliking you oh please do you know do you want to know ironically who

01:02:08.200 uh dislikes me the most sometimes who myself oh me too oh and but i guess you know you've asked me now

01:02:20.420 like you've asked me like what i would do to combat the hate right yeah but what do you do okay that's a

01:02:30.000 great question now i've been doing it a little longer than i have another thing that you're making

01:02:34.500 me realize is to not carry on in spite of others i'm sorry i just realized that i'm sitting on the

01:02:40.580 floor with drew i'm so happy to be doing this thank you for joining me on the floor the floor always

01:02:46.320 feels safer it feels nice oh my god there's so much to go over to keep being the joy that was the

01:02:56.140 cringiest part of all my god i can't and for the listening audience that what made the clip

01:03:00.260 controversial is drew barry more got down on her knees and seemed to be praying at the transgender

01:03:06.940 altar of dylan mulvaney which as an image i'll start with you again on this maddie

01:03:13.800 encapsulates a lot of what is driving actual biological women nuts about this whole evolution

01:03:22.600 which is trans women are coming into our locker rooms and our sports and our bathrooms and our

01:03:31.180 colleges and so on and taking over taking over and we as women are expected to take the knee and just

01:03:39.420 be thankful and say you know we we appreciate what you're doing to us and anything else means you're

01:03:45.880 a bigot yeah what i see when i look at that clip is i see a man dressed like a barbie doll

01:03:53.840 and a woman bowing before this man dressed as a barbie doll so there was a there was a time in

01:04:01.120 feminism where where people said oh like we need to get away from these stereotypes you know it's much

01:04:06.780 more to to being a woman than being a barbie doll well you know i can get on board with that that's that

01:04:12.500 sounds reasonable to me but now it's not just the barbie doll thing it's like a man underneath the

01:04:18.180 barbie doll costume and this is what this is the pinnacle of being an authentic female and we're

01:04:23.860 supposed to get on our knees i mean you know it it's just infuriating it's just so obviously sexist

01:04:32.180 and and and it's ridiculous as well that that drew barrymore um thinks that this is what

01:04:40.420 the culture moment calls for if you think of all the issues women face today around the world i

01:04:45.380 mean women in the west are doing pretty well uh i mean they might be coming for our our bathrooms

01:04:49.640 and our sports but all things considered we're doing pretty well uh but there are women around

01:04:54.300 the world who are not they are suffering they they're not allowed to uh go out the house without

01:04:59.440 male males and their families accompanying they're not allowed to expose their hair they're not allowed

01:05:04.600 to vote they're not allowed to go to school there's serious stuff happening out there and and a real

01:05:09.040 women's rights movement a real feminism would be talking about that they would not be kneeling before

01:05:14.900 a male in a barbie costume it's ridiculous it charles there's so many things that infuriate me about

01:05:20.920 this clip so i imitated the how do you find the courage to keep being the joy with her it was so

01:05:28.600 cringy her fake smile her fake joy like this is an actress drew barrymore is acting and what is she

01:05:36.300 acting the part of woke weak white woman praying at the transgender altar that's what that's her part

01:05:45.320 in this particular role and then to go on to say you know um dylan says i can't imagine anyone

01:05:50.960 disliking you and drew do you know who sometimes dislike me the most myself as they're both kneeling

01:06:00.920 on the ground and then the floor feels safer maybe i should do the next presidential debate

01:06:06.740 from the floor perhaps i should have been sitting on the floor when i asked trump or any of these

01:06:11.340 other guys tough questions how weak is she to me it goes back to what we're saying before where are

01:06:17.400 the strong women where are forget like maddie said okay give me a nancy pelosi any day over this

01:06:23.940 pathetic display of i don't know what is it false strength by showing every weakness coming out of

01:06:30.420 your pores and it may all be an affectation which makes it even more insulting yeah when i was born

01:06:37.840 the prime minister was margaret thatcher and the queen was elizabeth the second and i assumed as any

01:06:43.880 child does that women were in charge of everything because my mother was at home as well so it's quite

01:06:49.860 the transition from uh that assumption to watching that clip i mean i think maddie raises a really

01:06:54.980 interesting point which is that you know that is a man in a dress but it's a man in a dress who is

01:07:04.000 trying to emulate the most stereotypical conception of a woman imaginable if you watch tom and jerry and

01:07:12.660 they want to introduce a love interest for tom that's what the woman looks like with the red lipstick

01:07:18.360 and the dress and this is a repeated theme we we saw this um right from the beginning uh with with

01:07:27.020 bruce jenner who became caitlin jenner and had that photograph on the front of i forget which magazine it

01:07:33.820 was that really came out of the 1950s so it's it's a it's a weird reinforcement of stereotypes that many

01:07:41.460 feminists spend a long time with good reason i think trying to get rid of um what bothers me more

01:07:48.020 about it overall though is the extreme therapy culture that that reflects now i'm not against

01:07:55.460 therapy i think some people really do need therapy there's lots of great work that therapists do

01:07:59.860 but the idea that in all circumstances you should love yourself and uh follow your dreams and do

01:08:08.280 whatever you want to do is crazy i mean there are circumstances in which you should be encouraged to

01:08:14.280 be yourself but you don't want to encourage charles manson to be himself and you don't want to

01:08:18.540 encourage somebody who is being deeply self-destructive to be himself and love himself and you don't want

01:08:24.840 to encourage somebody who needs to make profound changes to his lifestyle because he's hurting other

01:08:29.460 people or damaging his own interests to be himself and what what we just saw was this um this claim in

01:08:39.700 effect that whatever it is that somebody says that they are that will not only be good for them but it

01:08:44.980 should be celebrated in the most saccharine possible way by other people and i just don't think that is

01:08:50.280 true um i i i don't think that it is good for our culture to have that as a norm i don't think that this

01:08:59.120 absolute obsession that we have with safety which okay in that circumstance was manifested by some

01:09:04.120 preface for the floor um is good life is risky life should be risky people should have new experiences

01:09:11.180 and go out on a limb i don't think that it is a good thing uh in every circumstance for people to

01:09:17.120 tell everyone in the world a big studio audience and the entire tv um viewing audience and their audience

01:09:25.960 on the internet that they sometimes hate themselves it's just oversharing um that whole thing was this

01:09:33.400 kind of to the to the uh extreme therapy culture that we need less of no more i was worried i wasn't

01:09:40.800 going to be able to get this in but i quickly i have two things i need to hit with you guys

01:09:44.100 hugh grant took a beating for an interview he gave on the red carpet at the oscars to ashley graham who

01:09:50.720 is a model who was trying to do red carpet interviews and charles i've got to ask you about this

01:09:57.740 was he being rude or was he being british watch this what's your favorite thing about coming to

01:10:06.880 the oscars um well it's fascinating it's a it's a the whole of humanity is here what are you most

01:10:18.060 excited to see tonight to see yeah well i know that you probably watched a few of the movies are

01:10:23.360 you excited to see anybody win do you have your hopes up for anyone um not not no no one in

01:10:30.860 particular okay well what are you wearing tonight then just my suit so tell me what does it feel like

01:10:37.360 to be in glass onion it was such an amazing film i really loved it i love a thriller how fun is it to

01:10:43.960 shoot something like that well i'm barely in it i'm in it for about three seconds yeah but still

01:10:48.680 you showed up and you had fun right uh almost i've been dying to ask you about this

01:10:55.920 i don't think that it's british per se i'm i'm not even sure it's that rude i tell you what i think

01:11:02.960 it is i think it's somebody who has been doing this for a long time who has enough money not to care

01:11:09.120 anymore reaching the point at which he just could not bring himself to answer questions that he thought

01:11:14.720 were pointless and just letting it go that's what i saw i saw someone who was saying i just

01:11:20.800 can't be bothered anymore and no one can do anything to me there was a piece in the washington post

01:11:26.220 positing that you know brits are raised to be self-deprecating they don't like the spotlight on

01:11:31.540 them you know she's trying to be like you were in glass onion and he's like no i was only i was barely

01:11:35.280 in it and who are you wearing and the instinct is not to be like oh i'm wearing christian dior or

01:11:40.580 whatever but just to be like i don't know my my taylor whatever made it and that it's being

01:11:44.760 misinterpreted by american audiences as oh he's such a jerk as opposed to you know the brits they're not

01:11:51.460 all mushy and therapy overly therapized as you were just pointing out like a lot of us americans yeah

01:11:58.540 bit of both i mean you're right that is a british instinct but i think he took it to an extreme

01:12:05.540 because he doesn't care anymore he does not give a flying fake all right let's end on this um my

01:12:12.020 pal and husband doug brunt made some news on his podcast the other day which actually

01:12:15.920 was very interesting uh we've been covering how they revised um rold dahl right and they took out

01:12:22.600 words they found offensive of books like charlie and the chocolate factory you can no longer call

01:12:26.660 augustus group fat that's now too offensive for modern day audiences according to uh the publisher

01:12:32.940 then they went after 007 and took out racial terms and other allegedly offensive terms then they did

01:12:39.400 the same thing to rl stein you know the goosebumps author so bit by bit they're coming after authors of

01:12:46.660 great and beloved american stories and british stories in the case of 007 uh and now they're coming

01:12:52.720 for james patterson so doug has a podcast called dedicated with doug brunt and he has on great authors

01:12:57.540 he's having a more tolls next week he had on james patterson he had on lee child you name it um they're

01:13:02.420 all doing it it's great stuff and james patterson was talking about alex cross which is one of his

01:13:06.320 most famous characters it's a cop and how not only is he not getting an audience on pretty much any

01:13:13.100 other tv show than those on fox they won't book him on msnbc even though he's like the number one best

01:13:19.380 selling author in the world um but amazon is now making a movie and they're insisting that they change

01:13:27.280 this main character to be sounds like more of a jerk or more well i'll let james patterson describe

01:13:35.760 it here's the exchange it it reminds me a little bit of what happened with live pd on a and e which

01:13:42.960 similar to your book is just showing cop stories it's not really pro-cop it's not anti-cop it's just

01:13:47.380 showing cop with no filter really and any canceled the show in the in the height of uh of some of these

01:13:55.220 these uh media stories where it just seemed like anything associated with cop like we just don't

01:14:00.700 want to put it on the screen we don't want to talk about it because it just seems kind of uh third rail

01:14:04.760 ish yeah yeah yeah listen we're filming alex cross now for amazon and even there uh once again there's

01:14:12.980 this this they're they're trying to make alex a lot more wounded than he should be uh uh and and i think

01:14:22.220 it's going to be a really interesting show but um they're they're so overly sensitive and and not

01:14:29.860 necessarily in a good way about about about the job of and you know alex is he is a good cop

01:14:35.980 there's a good family person and whatever but uh it's even there it's it's uh it's their problem they

01:14:43.480 want to make him a little more accessible or a little more flawed or how do you mean a lot more

01:14:47.520 flawed i'm a flawed yeah because he's a cop and so now they've come maddie for james patterson and

01:14:56.220 alex cross well it goes back to what we're discussing earlier with the need for having

01:15:01.160 moral certainty with yourself as the good guy and somebody else is the bad guy right it can't be that

01:15:08.460 we're all a bit of both it can't be that we all have this internal struggle and we're trying to

01:15:12.220 we're trying to be good and and and therefore you have to have this narrative and there's certain

01:15:17.340 things that are good and certain things are bad it's very threatening i think to progressives

01:15:21.660 when these seem to be challenged and that's why they go for history that's why they're going for

01:15:26.960 children's books that's why there's this this great concern with controlling um anything that

01:15:34.960 might touch on one of these moral narratives yeah and they they also change peter pan the the new

01:15:41.560 disney version of peter pan charlie's got uh now we don't have lost boys we have lost boys and girls

01:15:47.380 they've taken out the offensive i mean there's nothing that they won't try to scrub or in the

01:15:52.320 case of a cop narrative make darker in order to fit their narrative yeah well i think that's really

01:15:58.940 important though because if little girls grow up thinking that they are unable to live on a magical

01:16:04.680 island fighting pirates then maybe they won't progress in life maybe they'll need to sit on the floor

01:16:11.140 for any difficult conversations let's do that the next time you guys come on we'll see we'll see

01:16:17.040 if we're any better if we're stronger in our commentary and willingness to take on these tough

01:16:21.340 issues you guys thanks so much for being here charlie and maddie what a pleasure we'll talk to you again

01:16:25.120 soon and see you soon at uh vnr big hullabaloo in march okay uh we're gonna be right back with an

01:16:31.980 author who's got big plans to fix some of the big issues in america today and somebody who knows quite a

01:16:36.320 bit about treasury and banking because he used to work at treasury um we're going to talk about the

01:16:41.240 latest on svb bank and the fact that the dow is now down about 700 points what does that tell us

01:16:47.740 stand by from the crisis at our southern border to banks going belly up to issues with russia and china

01:16:56.100 uh there's a few issues going on in this country and our next guest has written a book that attempts

01:17:00.800 to address them all all the big ones dave mccormick is a graduate of west point he served in the treasury

01:17:06.100 department under george w bush he's a former ceo of one of the world's largest hedge funds and he ran

01:17:11.880 against dr oz in the republican primary for the u.s senate seat which was ultimately lost to the

01:17:17.720 democrat john fetterman in pennsylvania his new book superpower in peril a battle plan to renew america is

01:17:25.660 out this week and dave joins us now dave welcome to the show thanks for having me megan yeah the

01:17:32.200 pleasure's all mine um lots to go over get the you're the perfect person to kick off the discussion

01:17:37.100 on silicon valley bank with uh former undersecretary of the treasury also life in a hedge fund so you

01:17:43.980 understand the financial industry very well uh right now the dow's down in the mid 500s it was 700 a

01:17:50.900 minute ago what happened i thought we fixed it i thought you know we swooped in we saved it and this

01:17:56.760 is going to stabilize everything yeah well unfortunately well again thanks for having me

01:18:01.320 and uh thanks for uh giving me the opportunity to talk about the book superpower in peril uh you know

01:18:06.000 the silicon valley bank uh crisis uh you really understand you have to step back a bit and put it in

01:18:12.340 context and what's happening here is really a result of of excess in policy we've had excessively low

01:18:19.780 interest rates for more than a decade and we've had extremely high spending particularly over the last

01:18:25.160 two years under joe biden like 19 trillion dollars of incremental commitments in spending 40 percent

01:18:30.620 increase in this discretionary spending that's created uh huge pressures on inflation and the

01:18:36.320 federal reserve reacted by raising interest rates and that's the context for what we're dealing with

01:18:41.120 and what happened is banks that had assets on their balance sheets those uh are now underwater because

01:18:46.620 they were holding long duration and that's created a lot of pressure and with silicon valley bank

01:18:52.180 and a mismatch between assets and liabilities with silicon valley bank what you had is a terribly

01:18:57.560 terribly managed bank terrible with risk management what happened here was obvious it should have been

01:19:03.620 avoided management was not paying attention the board was not paying attention and the regulators the

01:19:08.480 san francisco fed was also not paying attention so failure on both fronts and the way the government's

01:19:13.840 responded is is deeply problematic because despite the words not using the words bailout that's in fact

01:19:19.980 what's happened it was totally appropriate that the that the fdic stepped in they fired management

01:19:25.920 um they should have tried to sell it they they failed to do that um they killed the equity holders they

01:19:31.120 killed the credit holders but what they did is they gave protection to the uninsured deposits and that was

01:19:37.220 really a problem for two reasons first the guy that was the landscaping guy uh that uh had ten thousand

01:19:43.860 dollars owned to them from silicon valley bank he just lost that ten thousand dollars but the

01:19:48.360 millionaire venture capitalist that lives down the street all his deposits were protected so there's

01:19:53.000 an inherent unfairness here well how did the landscaping guy lose his money because he was

01:19:56.740 already insured for 250 no the landscaping guy lost his money because he was a creditor so the bank owed

01:20:02.560 him money for doing the landscaping oh i see he got wiped out the contractor the depositor got protected

01:20:08.240 and uh and the second problem with it is moral hazard which essentially means that this is an

01:20:13.720 limitation for more risk taking and what they just demonstrated is that they'll likely protect

01:20:19.380 the uninsured deposits around around the country there's eight trillion dollars of uninsured deposits

01:20:25.260 and uh and that's why you see the markets reacting uh unfavorably there's a lot of questions a lot of

01:20:31.380 uncertainty and um you know i learned the hard way in the treasury and through a life in business

01:20:36.060 very hard to predict what's going to happen and policy needs to be uh swift and conclusive and uh

01:20:42.880 and hopefully bring confidence and so far this hasn't done that what's annoying to me about it

01:20:47.200 and i understand the arguments in favor of doing it it's it is kind of an essential bank as it turns

01:20:52.080 out and it would have affected a lot of regular folks if they let it fail and didn't didn't ensure

01:20:57.560 the deposits over 250 i get that argument but what's annoying is we're rewarding their risk taking

01:21:03.320 whereas other banks were more responsible accurately predicted the interest rates would go back up

01:21:08.580 and invested accordingly hedged their bets accordingly and they're now basically having

01:21:13.660 to foot the bill they're getting punished because it's that sort of insurance fund that they all pay

01:21:19.020 into that's now been depleted thanks to silicon valley bank they're getting punished they have to

01:21:23.400 got to pay for this bank's mistakes in taking a much riskier strategy and that that risky strategy

01:21:30.120 has been rewarded um by this bank so thus it leads more banks to say what the hell i'm gonna be

01:21:36.080 riskier too because now i know the fdic is gonna have my back just as long as i can say i'm i'm

01:21:42.260 essential to the flow of banking too my collapse could really hurt somebody so it's rewarding somewhat

01:21:47.960 reckless behavior and it's punishing banks who took a you know a better approach and here's the last

01:21:54.160 piece of it i understand the bank didn't go down because it was woke but there was a lot of attention

01:21:59.960 being paid to woke issues by people who should have been mining the company's books and i'll just give

01:22:07.680 you a couple of examples that are hitting lately uh board of directors only one member had a career

01:22:13.040 in investment banking they needed somebody like you on their board dave instead they had one person who

01:22:19.460 was an investment banker that person only joined in september the rest were obama clinton mega donors

01:22:24.940 who were very open about the tears they shed when trump was elected one mega donor had to go on some

01:22:30.080 retreat to japan where she played at a shinto shrine she was so distraught these are the and then there's

01:22:37.640 all sorts of quotes about how they're they're very concerned about how you've got to get the right

01:22:42.800 diversity into this company and every other company how it's not enough to just report the numbers

01:22:48.500 instead we need to demand a deep look at company culture we need to hold management teams accountable for

01:22:53.680 real change change on your investment strategy no change on your number of black people their number

01:23:00.100 of lgbtq people their number oh my god they were focused on the wrong things dave i i couldn't agree

01:23:07.000 more i think that uh what you see here is a bank that absolutely lost sight of its mission and just to

01:23:12.640 give you an analogy of the of the woke uh uh issue that i that i think it represents if the army lost a

01:23:20.120 battle uh would you say that that they lost the battle because of wokeness i'm not sure but what

01:23:25.480 you could say is that they released their climate strategy before they released their war fighting

01:23:29.180 strategy and that's what happened with silicon valley bank and uh so it was terribly managed and and they

01:23:34.040 the management team plus the regulators were hugely flawed the only thing i'd add to what you said

01:23:39.540 is that yes the other banks are paying the fees but we're really paying the fees because those fees

01:23:45.580 will be passed on to to customers of banks so taxpayers will ultimately bear the burden of this

01:23:50.820 they'll just bear it um down the road they're not going to bear it immediately but the banks will pass

01:23:55.400 that along and ultimately we as taxpayers are going to suffer because of the mismanagement and poor

01:24:00.600 oversight by the uh by uh the silicon valley bank and the regulators in the san francisco fed

01:24:05.560 mm-hmm and the people cheering the bailout or whatever you want to call it yes some are

01:24:10.480 honest brokers and you know having a genuine belief that this is going to help save people down the

01:24:16.180 line not connected with silicon valley bank but then there are people like gavin newsom who today

01:24:20.720 comes out of course he was a big cheerleader for the bailout it turns out he has never mentioned while

01:24:27.120 cheering on this bailout at least three of his wine companies are held by svb and a bank president sits

01:24:34.540 on the board of his wife's charity he's been praising the decision by the feds to intervene

01:24:39.700 he never mentioned any of this he did not disclose any of these conflicts and i you know it's it's

01:24:46.440 unseemly and it makes us feel like we've been had i i completely agree megan and the thing that

01:24:53.240 i want to highlight here is that this is a little bit of a canary in the coal mine and what's coming

01:24:59.220 is going to be highly uh challenging for working families and and and for the american economy

01:25:06.400 and the people that have benefited from the policies we've seen over the last decade are

01:25:11.260 so are going to be fine and what i mean by that is all this monetary policy has essentially helped

01:25:15.740 all the people that have assets so if you had a house or you had a lot of money you got richer a

01:25:21.060 lot richer over the last 10 years everybody that had assets it wasn't they were geniuses they just

01:25:25.440 got richer that's like 10 of americans 90 of the americans don't have assets two-thirds of all

01:25:31.080 americans are living paycheck to paycheck and over the last decade real incomes have stayed flat and

01:25:36.620 they've suffered inflation kills them and a recession puts their families at risk and that's

01:25:42.700 what we're that's the environment we're in because of the excessive spending uh and economic policies of

01:25:48.700 the biden administration so what's ahead unfortunately i think this is we're seeing the

01:25:52.720 beginning of it is we're going to have continued inflation and that inflation hurts working families and

01:25:58.240 hurts people on fixed income and we're going to have the fed rising raising interest rates and those

01:26:02.420 interest rates moves to offset inflation are going to put the economy in recession which is going to

01:26:07.720 be tough on on on americans and we can go to the source of this um there's lots of people that had a

01:26:12.900 hand in it but the policies of the joe biden administration over the last two years have made a

01:26:17.860 challenging situation much much worse and that's what lies ahead this banking crisis is just the beginning

01:26:23.460 well for much of that time he's had uh the support of both bodies of congress now he's lost the house

01:26:29.700 but he does maintain control the democrats of the senate however it's interesting that both dian

01:26:35.740 feinstein and john fetterman who now holds the seat that you once ran for uh are out so it's a it's now

01:26:42.940 a 49 49 split the democrats still control because kamala harris cast the deciding vote right now it's

01:26:49.020 getting a little tough tougher for the democrats than expected and can you explain i'm sorry go

01:26:55.360 ahead yeah go ahead no i was just gonna say can you explain why why won't the democrats just admit

01:27:00.460 john fetterman can't do the job why wouldn't they admit it before they ran him now that he's got the

01:27:06.480 job why don't they just sub in somebody there is a reason a strategic reason why they don't want to

01:27:12.020 sub in somebody to do the job for him he's been in the hospital for over a month well um you know this

01:27:18.120 sort of gets to the the motivation of why why i ran and what the challenges are on john fetterman

01:27:23.420 listen and we when somebody's family is going through that and bob casey for that matter the

01:27:28.440 first time we've had two democratic senators in pennsylvania for 76 years uh but but you on a human

01:27:33.740 level you wish their families well you pray for them to get better but on the john fetterman case

01:27:37.680 it's certainly totally legitimate that we would ask questions about what should have been shared with

01:27:42.500 voters uh prior to him actually running and winning because um this is very it's unfair to

01:27:49.000 pennsylvanians that they don't have a senator representing them and in both cases um john

01:27:53.500 fetterman and bob casey i think their policies and their positions represent where the democratic

01:27:59.360 party has taken our country in a very progressive radical direction that's led to the purpose of my

01:28:05.540 book which is i'm essentially my book superpower and peril is talking about america's in decline

01:28:10.920 uh economically uh national security wise spiritually uh we're at risk of losing the america we know

01:28:18.280 and that the essential thesis of the book which addresses your question is that you know a decline

01:28:24.440 is not inevitable but neither is renewal it depends on what we do and this book is meant to be the what

01:28:30.160 we do book and it essentially argues for educating our people confronting china and securing the country

01:28:35.840 and the reason the pennsylvania senate seat is so critical is it's a purple state it's a harbinger

01:28:42.260 for the direction of the country it's probably necessary to win the presidency but it's certainly

01:28:46.840 in the last cycle was necessary to win the majority we should have won the majority and uh and that's why

01:28:51.800 the democrats are so focused on keeping it because if they lose pennsylvania uh then they likely lose the

01:28:57.300 majority if they lose the majority then we're going to have an opportunity to turn the country

01:29:00.980 uh in a completely different direction and that's uh that's why it's such an important race and

01:29:05.860 important fight and that's why it's gotten so much attention hmm i isn't it also the case that if they

01:29:11.580 put somebody in if they subbed it let's say they said giselle peterman is going to serve now it could

01:29:15.920 be because he can't that seat would be in play in two years as opposed to in six years if he could just

01:29:22.480 fulfill the term absolutely if if depending on you know the timing there could be a special election

01:29:29.080 as early as november of this year um or uh november of next year and the special election doesn't even

01:29:34.900 require primaries it has uh the the parties on both sides select uh their candidates so you know

01:29:41.180 this is high stakes uh high stakes for the country high stakes for for pennsylvania you know one of the

01:29:47.140 issues that people are discussing right now and i know your book gets into china quite a bit and i

01:29:51.020 appreciate that in the border crisis um tucker carlson reached out to all the gop candidates

01:29:56.960 suspected and declared for 2024 including desantis and desantis came out and asked their position on

01:30:03.780 ukraine and desantis came out and said um he he sort of started to sound a little more like trump

01:30:09.200 like it's a territorial issue that's a territorial dispute um and that's definitely not how joe biden

01:30:16.340 sees it or how a lot of republicans see it where they see it's our strategic interests are definitely

01:30:21.180 involved in what happens between russia and ukraine um so there's there's a real debate there but what

01:30:26.520 desantis is focused on is more china and he sees ukraine as a distraction from the bigger rising

01:30:32.980 threat to america which is china so as somebody who studied it and has just written a book about

01:30:37.380 all these issues what do you make of his position and what do you think about it yeah we well first

01:30:42.800 of all we have to start with our leadership in the world's being challenged over and again because

01:30:47.280 of joe biden's weakness we saw in afghanistan we saw it in uh ukraine with the nordstrom 2 and the

01:30:53.680 the the invitation to putin and we saw it just recently with the chinese spy balloon so it's

01:30:59.140 happening over and over again and that creates much more risk in the world because america's

01:31:03.400 leadership is unsteady um i'm someone who um and the book argues this that america's strength at home

01:31:09.820 uh is is an america's strength and leadership abroad are two sides of the same coin we can't be the

01:31:15.940 exceptional america we want to be at home without doing tough things at home but we also have to

01:31:20.620 advance us interest around the world we have to fight for us interest around the world and the

01:31:25.860 case of ukraine i think uh for russia to invade ukraine is of huge significance uh to american

01:31:32.160 interest i don't i don't think we should support the ukrainians because of their fight for liberty

01:31:38.080 which i admire and respect i think we should support ukraine because it's uh it's critical that

01:31:44.480 they find their way to continued independence in the face of uh putin's aggression now i think we need

01:31:50.320 to do it carefully those people that are worried about corruption of our money or worried about uh

01:31:55.940 u.s troops getting drawn in listen as a soldier i'm i'm a graduate of west point 82nd airborne combat

01:32:00.640 veteran from iraq no one knows more about the worries uh associated with sending young men and women into

01:32:06.860 combat than me so we need to be very careful but we need to stand strong in my opinion with ukraine

01:32:12.500 because it's in our interest and i i don't um respectfully agree with the governor

01:32:16.300 about the distraction with china i think it's the opposite i think to fold and look weak in this

01:32:23.180 case with russia enables um china's aggression encourages china's aggression and the pact between

01:32:29.720 china and russia i think is very very much in line to challenge america's primacy in the world and

01:32:34.740 that's what my book superpower uh in peril talks about it says china has a plan for global domination

01:32:41.060 what's our plan we don't have a plan we have no plan you're so right dave you're so right about

01:32:47.160 this every piece of news you hear about the chinese is about how this is all part of their long-term

01:32:51.160 plan they're just getting more vocal and more bold about it used to be more on the down low now it's

01:32:55.800 kind of out there and one of the things that jumped out at me in your book is what they're doing in

01:32:59.080 latin america which i confess i was not paying any attention to but whoa i mean some of the stats

01:33:04.480 there were stunning including i'll give a couple um china is quickly overtaking or quickly rising to

01:33:11.340 overtake washington in nearly every field in latin america including in trade in security and tech

01:33:16.580 in diplomatic relations china has a physical presence in 25 out of 31 latin american countries

01:33:22.020 and nearly 30 percent of its global lending goes to latin america trade between china latin america

01:33:27.140 also grew 26 fold over the past 20 years an increase from 12 billion to 315 billion we need

01:33:36.580 to be paying attention to this i feel like we have no long-term plan dave yeah i couldn't agree more

01:33:42.440 that's honestly the premise for the book i started writing the book before i decided to run for office

01:33:46.820 but the scent the motivation for both was the same which is you know we're at risk of losing america's

01:33:51.960 leadership or our superpower is in peril and um the thing that i highlight in the book

01:33:56.520 i agree with everything you said it's a it's a comprehensive economic national security strategy

01:34:01.480 but america's leadership in the world has always been predicated on technological leadership we've

01:34:07.080 always been on the on the forefront and there was a piece in the wall street journal a couple weeks

01:34:11.660 ago that if you haven't seen it's worth reading but there was an australian think tank that did an

01:34:16.580 analysis of the top 44 technologies in the world for economic and national security well-being so

01:34:24.020 satellites robotics artificial intelligence and so forth 44 of them but this independent australian

01:34:30.020 think tank said that china is in the lead in 37 of those so if you think about and these these

01:34:35.700 technologies are zero sum if you are the leader in the world in telecommunications through 5g that's a

01:34:41.300 dominant position from a national security perspective and from a economic perspective so so the my book

01:34:47.940 is devoted to this idea that listen we have to get on our front foot uh and compete uh and and block

01:34:54.880 and and serve as a true adversary for china and that's going to require a comprehensive whole of

01:35:00.300 nation strategy i'll say it in in 10 seconds we need to build muscle at home but confront china abroad

01:35:06.340 and decouple uh in strategic ways that support uh america's uh remaining the global superpower and if you

01:35:13.660 want to see the raise the ways then again it's called superpower in peril a battle plan to renew america

01:35:18.700 by dave mccormick dave before i let you go quickly how about that challenge against now sitting senator

01:35:25.300 john fetterman are you going to get back into it because the gop insiders are saying it's mccormick

01:35:30.660 or no one you're their guy well well my wife is insisting i get a job sometimes so i got to figure this

01:35:36.920 out but uh but at this point you know i i have i obviously have a motivation to serve i wouldn't

01:35:42.040 have run if i didn't and uh sadly i lost my 900 votes so i'm thinking about it and i want to find

01:35:46.820 a way to serve whether running for the sentence the right way or not i'm not sure but i'm i'm thinking

01:35:50.680 and praying about it i'm sure you're seeing opportunity as they say it's a great read and

01:35:56.360 it's actually very helpful uh on a lot of the issues that are in the news smart takes on where we go

01:36:00.800 from here again it's called superpower in peril a battle plan to renew america by dave mccormick

01:36:07.280 and it is out this week thanks so much for being here thank you thanks for having me all the best

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