The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Inflation Blame Game, and Elites' Empire of Lies, with Tyler Cowen and Victor Davis Hanson

00:00:00.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.620 President Biden trying out a new smear against the GOP to hide from another day of grim economic headlines.

00:00:21.920 New inflation numbers for April showing teeny tiny improvement over a disastrous March.

00:00:29.000 We're still in terrible territory, but the headlines, of course, will be getting better.

00:00:35.400 Things are getting solved because the numbers are still up way more than Wall Street was expecting.

00:00:41.380 Okay, it's just the numbers are not good. They're not good.

00:00:45.120 Gas prices hitting another new all-time record high, record high.

00:00:50.260 The average price for a gallon of gas, this is non-diesel, is now $4.37 a gallon.

00:00:55.100 It's so much worse. Aren't you so glad you don't get diesel if you don't get diesel right now?

00:00:59.000 And my heart goes out to those of you who do.

00:01:00.960 It's your only consolation when you go to the pump.

00:01:03.280 And I understand that's not the position that a lot of Americans are in right now, but it's awful.

00:01:07.700 It's all bad news up and down the gas tank.

00:01:10.380 It's up $2 right now on the non-diesel gas, up $2 a gallon since President Biden took office.

00:01:17.260 Later in the show, I'm going to be joined by Victor Davis Hanson about whether Biden's new attack line,

00:01:21.180 calling everything ultra-MAGA, is going to be enough to hide the economic hardships that are hitting Americans.

00:01:26.320 But we're going to start today with Tyler Cowen, who is considered one of the most influential economists of the last decade.

00:01:33.960 He says the 2008 recession reflected a deeper truth that America is not as rich as we once thought.

00:01:40.940 He's written several bestsellers, and his new book is titled Talent, How to Identify Energizers, Creatives, and Winners Around the World.

00:01:51.020 He's also a distinguished senior fellow and professor of economics at George Mason, Ph.D. in economics from Harvard.

00:01:58.760 And on and on his credentials go.

00:02:04.900 Welcome to the show, Tyler. How are you?

00:02:07.000 Hello, Megan. I'm fine. I wish the economy were doing as well.

00:02:10.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:11.600 So when you listen to President Biden yesterday talking about, you know, where we are and, you know, inflation and what got us here,

00:02:19.960 you would think that his policies had absolutely nothing to do with it.

00:02:23.200 In fact, if anything, his policies are making things better for us.

00:02:26.220 We'll get to some of that sound.

00:02:27.560 But what is your reaction to that claim?

00:02:30.420 We did too much stimulus in the early months of the Biden administration.

00:02:33.880 We spent basically $2 trillion that should not have spent, according to best estimates, that has raised inflation rates by about three percentage points.

00:02:43.380 So if right now we're doing around 8 percent, we actually could have been at around 5 percent.

00:02:48.360 Things are never perfect coming out of a pandemic, but they're much worse than they had to be.

00:02:52.500 Hmm. You know, he he sort of laid out what what he thinks caused it.

00:02:59.860 And it's definitely not his policies, as I say.

00:03:03.540 And here's how he explained what brought us here.

00:03:06.140 This is Soundbite 2.

00:03:07.640 I want every American to know that I'm taking inflation very seriously and it's my top domestic priority.

00:03:15.660 But first, I want us to be crystal clear about the problem.

00:03:19.600 There are two leading causes of inflation we're seeing today.

00:03:24.060 The first cause of inflation is a once in a century pandemic.

00:03:27.260 And these supply challenges have been further hampered by the onset of Delta and Omicron virus.

00:03:36.740 This year we have a second cause, a second cause.

00:03:40.440 Mr. Putin's war in Ukraine.

00:03:43.940 So the pandemic, including Omicron and Delta and Putin, the pandemic and Putin, that's what got us to 8 percent.

00:03:50.220 I mean, you say that his own policies and his spending added three of at least three percentage points of that 8.

00:03:57.200 What of the claim that the pandemic and Putin jacked up these numbers?

00:04:02.400 Well, the Biden administration is still pushing policies that actually would make inflation somewhat higher.

00:04:07.800 So they've kept on the tariffs on goods and services from China.

00:04:11.260 That's been a mistake.

00:04:12.280 There's finally talk of getting rid of them.

00:04:14.040 And they want to forgive student loans on some basis.

00:04:17.320 That's going to fuel spending in the economy.

00:04:19.460 It's a transfer from poorer people to wealthier college-educated people.

00:04:23.540 It's a terrible policy.

00:04:25.180 Even most Democratic economists don't support it.

00:04:28.060 So they say inflation is the number one priority.

00:04:30.740 But when you look at the actual actions, it's pleasing their own interest groups.

00:04:33.920 And what about gas hikes?

00:04:37.440 Because that's always been an issue that drives votes.

00:04:40.820 People care about what's happening at the pump.

00:04:43.400 And the numbers are just dreadful.

00:04:45.660 As I said, you know, a record high yesterday.

00:04:48.340 And he's blaming those two on Putin.

00:04:51.900 Here's Soundbite 11.

00:04:54.200 Let me start.

00:04:55.820 Let me start with the Putin price hike.

00:04:59.520 High gas prices and energy prices.

00:05:02.060 I led the world and other countries to join with us to coordinate the largest release of oil from our stockpiles of all the countries in history.

00:05:11.960 240 million barrels to boost global supply.

00:05:15.900 U.S. oil and gas production is approaching record levels.

00:05:19.860 Under the Republican plan, they'd be allowed to continue to sit on this land without producing while shipping record profits back to their investors.

00:05:27.700 Republicans would offer plenty of blame, but not a single solution to actually bring down the energy prices.

00:05:35.320 Because he's now saying, I'm going to press these oil producers to actually use all the leases and so on.

00:05:41.040 Meanwhile, that at best will provide relief in years.

00:05:43.860 That's not something you can just turn the spigot on overnight.

00:05:46.120 And this is a reversal because he's really been threatening most of these oil and gas producers that he wants to cut off their energy supply.

00:05:54.020 He doesn't believe in it as a source.

00:05:56.440 So, I mean, putting that piece of it to the side, because what he's saying is I've basically released a million barrels of oil, but we consume 20 million a day.

00:06:06.160 And that maybe shifted the gas price down by a few pennies in April, but we're still, here we are May 11th, and we're at record numbers.

00:06:15.440 And it just feels like no one's leveling with us about why those numbers are as big as they are and when and what might make them come down.

00:06:23.940 That's all bad news, but I actually have a much bigger worry, and that's the prices of food and shelter,

00:06:28.940 which in the latest inflation report show inflation rates much higher than what we had been expecting.

00:06:34.300 And prices for shelter tend to be quite sticky.

00:06:37.540 The good thing about gas prices is they can fall very quickly, just as they can go up very quickly.

00:06:42.620 And the U.S. has enough fossil fuels.

00:06:44.980 I feel within six months will more or less have solved that problem.

00:06:48.480 But the actual longer-term burden facing voters, consumers, is paying for food, paying rent.

00:06:54.260 That's not going to get better anytime soon.

00:06:57.040 Why?

00:06:58.900 Over the last year, the Federal Reserve increased M2.

00:07:03.320 That's a measure of the money supply, by about 40%.

00:07:06.840 The money supply fuels inflationary pressures.

00:07:10.740 Our government spent like crazy.

00:07:12.620 The message given to people was spend, spend, spend.

00:07:15.700 Stimulus like there's no tomorrow.

00:07:17.900 Inflationary expectations went up.

00:07:19.700 There's been more money to spend.

00:07:21.600 And we had 8.3% inflation in the report released this morning.

00:07:26.320 Right, down from 8.6%, which is already dreadfully high.

00:07:31.380 The Biden administration continues to change in its explanations of what brought us here.

00:07:36.440 As you heard there today, he says it was the pandemic and it was Putin.

00:07:40.100 But for months now, we've been watching the inflationary numbers tick up bit by bit.

00:07:44.580 And even before they did, you had a lot of Republicans, I have to say, warning, it's going to go up.

00:07:48.720 You cannot spend like this, like we did with all the stimulus spending during the pandemic, and then President Biden and his infrastructure plan with still more spending.

00:07:58.460 And then he wanted to spend another $2 trillion in addition to this, which got shut down thanks to Joe Manchin between $1 and $2 trillion.

00:08:04.540 You cannot spend like this and not see it come back in the form of inflation.

00:08:10.020 And I wanted to play some of his changing messages on inflation, his and his administration, for you to get your finger on the pulse of it.

00:08:19.220 Like, was any of it true when it was said in your view?

00:08:22.600 Listen here.

00:08:23.000 I really doubt that we're going to see an inflationary cycle.

00:08:29.340 The overwhelming consensus is going to pop up a little bit and then go back down.

00:08:33.160 One of the steps that we've taken as an administration is to provide a range of assistance to the American people.

00:08:40.060 As our economy has come roaring back, we've seen some price increases.

00:08:44.320 When people go to the grocery store and a pound of meat is more expensive than it should be, we agree.

00:08:49.040 That's less related to the supply chain issues.

00:08:51.140 The inflation has everything to do with the supply chain.

00:08:54.360 The first cause of inflation is a once-in-a-century pandemic.

00:08:58.120 This year we have a second cause.

00:09:00.240 A second cause.

00:09:01.660 Mr. Putin's war in Ukraine.

00:09:04.120 So that's quite the evolution, right?

00:09:06.260 It's not going to happen.

00:09:07.360 The sky's not falling.

00:09:08.660 Don't worry.

00:09:09.800 And then some time spent blaming the GOP, right?

00:09:13.400 And then blaming the supply chain and then blaming Putin.

00:09:16.940 And now it's the pandemic and it's Putin.

00:09:18.840 But it's definitely not a single policy that Joe Biden has put has passed.

00:09:22.680 Do you believe when when the Republicans were saying we are heading for inflation and it wasn't just Republicans, some more fair minded Democratic economists were saying the same.

00:09:33.220 Do you believe he knew he knew that was true, but he just didn't care because he wanted to get popular spending programs through?

00:09:39.840 I have known some of the Biden people.

00:09:43.300 I think the economists were fully sincere in what they said.

00:09:46.780 I think the problem is a lot of them spent too much time on Twitter.

00:09:50.360 And since 2008, there's been this incorrect view that the government can simply print as much money as it wants and nothing bad will happen.

00:09:58.040 It's as if the laws of economics had been repealed.

00:10:00.680 And people started believing that.

00:10:02.900 So the kinds of inflation we did in 2008, 2009 were very different than what the Trump and Biden administrations have done more recently.

00:10:11.520 But people just thought it was all the same.

00:10:13.240 You can't have inflation.

00:10:14.420 There won't be a problem.

00:10:15.660 They were fooled.

00:10:16.500 I don't think they were lying to us.

00:10:17.900 How did they stave it off back then?

00:10:20.280 Because I remember I was on the news every night back then and we saw this crazy spending.

00:10:24.180 And that was, you know, during the height of the Tea Party, which was so angry in 2010 about Obamacare.

00:10:29.300 But they were very angry about spending, too.

00:10:31.240 They were very angry and upset about spending and worried about spending.

00:10:34.360 That's how the Tea Party was originally formed.

00:10:36.840 And and people would say we're going to hit an inflationary wall.

00:10:41.240 It's going to be a disaster.

00:10:42.100 But it didn't really happen.

00:10:44.660 And that's sort of what led Democrats, in my layperson's view, to start saying, yes, this is our new monetary theory.

00:10:51.500 You can just spend.

00:10:52.500 You can just spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

00:10:54.140 And it never comes back to haunt you.

00:10:55.560 And the Tea Party is therefore dead.

00:10:57.600 And now here we are.

00:10:58.940 So what explains it?

00:11:00.660 Three differences.

00:11:01.720 First, we spent much more this time.

00:11:03.960 Second, in 2009, we spent while the economy was declining.

00:11:07.660 This time around, we spent into a resurgent economy.

00:11:11.340 But third, what we did in 2008, 2009 was pump a lot of money into the banking system and then pay banks' interest to hold on to that money.

00:11:20.480 So the money supply numbers went up a lot, but the money just sat there.

00:11:24.040 So that wasn't inflationary.

00:11:25.640 But when you send people money and tell them to spend it and send them more than you'd been sending them, you're going to get higher price inflation.

00:11:32.040 And that's exactly what we see.

00:11:34.300 So now we have the Feds raising interest rates.

00:11:36.140 So it's going to cost you a little bit more if you want to finance a home than it would have a couple months ago.

00:11:41.340 And I've had people like Peter Schiff on the program saying, you know, they'd have to raise the interest rates huge.

00:11:48.420 Like it has to be basically over the inflationary rate, the real inflationary rate, he says, which is probably double what they're telling us.

00:11:54.740 If you look at that CBI index.

00:11:57.940 Anyway, on the other side, I hear some more conservative economists saying, don't raise the interest rates.

00:12:05.040 That's not the solution.

00:12:06.420 I don't know exactly what they think the solution is.

00:12:08.700 But if you were advising Joe Biden on how to get us out of this 8.3 inflation, what would you tell him to do?

00:12:13.960 I think we have to raise inflation rates.

00:12:17.760 I do worry this is creating maybe a 50 percent chance of a recession.

00:12:22.940 But the other thing I would tell them is you need to make your other policies consistent with a lower cost of living for Americans.

00:12:29.620 And that's not what they're doing.

00:12:31.140 They're pursuing a lot of other policies for political reasons that will raise the cost of living, such as discouraging fracking or keeping on tariffs from goods overseas.

00:12:40.420 And the markets know they just don't quite really mean it the way they need to.

00:12:45.640 Just today, they're having the feds are having some auction on acreage for wind farms.

00:12:49.960 It's like, OK, I mean, terrific.

00:12:53.900 I guess we can get some some more wind farms going.

00:12:56.420 But we have a lot of natural energy supplies that the truth is he's he hasn't been devoted to exploiting.

00:13:03.020 And in fact, he stated during his presidential debates, he was committed to eliminating altogether fossil fuels, oil and gas.

00:13:10.600 He doesn't like fracking, doesn't like shale, doesn't like natural gas.

00:13:14.540 So, I mean, you say in the next six months we can drive those gas prices down.

00:13:17.920 But wouldn't that require a significant change in his policies?

00:13:22.700 Well, here's another example.

00:13:23.860 On average, it takes about seven years to get a wind farm approved in this country.

00:13:28.180 That's insane.

00:13:28.980 So there's talk, well, green energy is the number one priority.

00:13:31.900 Well, I'm all for green energy.

00:13:33.700 But then why are you letting it take seven years?

00:13:36.260 You have regulations, environmental reviews, local homeowners who don't want development.

00:13:41.440 That's another case where we actually need to take our priorities seriously.

00:13:46.540 What about the student loan issue?

00:13:48.300 Because that's been resurrected.

00:13:49.500 He hasn't abandoned it.

00:13:50.520 The White House hasn't laid out a plan, but they say one may be coming soon.

00:13:54.120 Originally, he was talking about releasing people.

00:13:56.520 Forgiving is the lie.

00:13:58.100 That's how they place it.

00:13:59.060 They're going to forgive the debt.

00:14:00.260 That doesn't just evaporate the debt.

00:14:02.980 From $50,000 per person to 10, now it's down to $10,000 according to reports.

00:14:09.460 And you have to be making less than $125,000 a year, which is a lot of money.

00:14:15.920 You could be a doctor making $124,000 a year and you could still potentially get this money

00:14:22.560 for, quote, forgiven.

00:14:24.720 So what do you make of it?

00:14:26.060 Is it a good policy?

00:14:26.960 He argued yesterday that actually he believes it will help the economy.

00:14:31.560 I don't think we should forgive a dime.

00:14:33.800 So keep in mind, somewhat below 40% of Americans finish college, right?

00:14:39.680 So those are the people who have higher incomes.

00:14:43.060 If you want our government to do something to help people, on average, look at the people

00:14:46.800 who didn't even go to college at all.

00:14:48.560 So it's well known that people who went to college vote Democratic at a higher rate.

00:14:53.220 This is an effort to give them some kind of benefit to ensure their loyalty.

00:14:57.280 This I do view as fairly cynical.

00:14:59.520 It is simply one of the worst policies we have considered in the last 10 to 20 years.

00:15:04.000 There is no good reason for doing this.

00:15:05.740 The president thinks, I guess, more money in people's pockets is going to somehow help the

00:15:12.980 economy.

00:15:14.160 That's more inflation.

00:15:15.200 It's not what we need.

00:15:16.140 It's the opposite of what we need.

00:15:18.100 It's more spending is what you're saying.

00:15:19.940 People, if you put more money in their pockets, they're going to spend more.

00:15:22.640 Correct.

00:15:23.160 And again, if anyone should be spending more, it's people who don't have much money, not

00:15:26.660 the college educated.

00:15:29.320 How much does the deficit affect this?

00:15:31.780 Because President Biden was focused yesterday very much on the deficit, saying he's brought

00:15:35.360 it down.

00:15:36.320 And that's why, despite, you know, record spending during a pandemic or once in a lifetime

00:15:40.900 pandemic, he's not to be blamed for this.

00:15:43.740 This is how he put it.

00:15:44.600 I'll let him explain it for himself.

00:15:46.220 Soundbite three.

00:15:48.160 I think our policies help, not hurt.

00:15:51.200 Think about what they say.

00:15:52.540 The vast majority of the economists think that this is going to be a real tough problem

00:16:01.220 to solve, but it's not because of spending.

00:16:05.580 We've brought down the deficit.

00:16:07.520 The bottom line is, how much does America owe?

00:16:11.280 How much in the hole are we going?

00:16:13.240 We're reducing that.

00:16:15.700 What do you make of it?

00:16:17.280 Look, I would agree the pandemic has been the major problem.

00:16:20.200 But coming out of a pandemic, you need to decide, are you going to signal fiscal responsibility

00:16:25.420 and that you will put the reins on forthcoming steep increases in Medicare, Social Security

00:16:31.580 expenditures as this nation ages?

00:16:34.000 Or are you in a position where you just keep on promising goodies to your own interest groups?

00:16:38.600 Now, to be clear, both parties are very bad on this issue.

00:16:41.400 But what I see is the Democratic Party, under its current president and congressional majorities,

00:16:46.460 is simply having the attitude, just as we could have printed all the money we wanted to,

00:16:51.540 now that the debt, the deficit, they can be as high as we want them to and everything will be fine.

00:16:55.840 And that's a very dangerous philosophy.

00:16:59.140 He is obviously concerned about the midterms.

00:17:03.320 He's, any sitting president, is worried about his political fortunes next time around,

00:17:07.540 if they're a first-termer, as Biden is.

00:17:09.480 And he's trying to draw a line between his own policies and those that one can expect

00:17:14.620 if the Republicans are placed back in control.

00:17:17.640 To me, this is actually very interesting to listen to him talk about the GOP.

00:17:20.800 To me, it sounded very much like the GOP of 10, 15 years ago.

00:17:24.460 Not sure it captures the GOP of 2022.

00:17:27.440 Love your thoughts.

00:17:28.120 This is Soundbite 4.

00:17:28.980 They don't want to solve inflation by lowering their costs.

00:17:33.520 They want to solve it by raising your taxes and lowering your income.

00:17:37.800 I happen to think it's a good thing when American families have a little more money in their pockets

00:17:42.360 at the end of the month.

00:17:44.460 But the Republicans in Congress don't seem to think so.

00:17:47.420 Their plan has actually made working families, it's going to make working families poor.

00:17:52.640 What's your reaction to that?

00:17:54.800 I think he's confusing a lot of different concepts.

00:17:57.520 But look, this is an important point.

00:17:59.880 The Republican Party, when it gets in power, also does not do a good job on spending.

00:18:04.460 They spend like drunken sailors.

00:18:06.260 We saw this under the Bush administration.

00:18:08.420 We saw it under Trump.

00:18:10.040 So the problem very often is the voters, that both parties are willing to pander to the voters.

00:18:16.220 Biden is keeping us on that same track.

00:18:18.460 So I wouldn't at all think he's fixing the problem.

00:18:22.040 But I'm not looking forward to the next president either.

00:18:25.040 What we need is actually a change in our national culture.

00:18:28.320 How so?

00:18:29.120 What do you mean?

00:18:29.460 Expand on that.

00:18:31.200 Americans love the notion of a free lunch, that we can consume more and more.

00:18:35.340 We never have to pay the bill.

00:18:36.960 We have high levels of consumer debt for a nation of our wealth.

00:18:40.780 And we tend to think, well, we're America the high and mighty.

00:18:45.460 We just don't face constraints.

00:18:46.820 We've had this problem in our foreign policy, too.

00:18:49.520 So we need to wake up and realize there are always trade-offs.

00:18:52.640 There's scarcity.

00:18:53.580 And if you want to spend more money on something, well, consider that.

00:18:56.640 But it's going to mean you spend less money on something else.

00:18:59.180 And that attitude is not taught to us by our politicians.

00:19:02.240 And it's not learned by most people on their media, present company excluded.

00:19:07.860 It seems to me that, you know, the American people have been fed a bill of goods, right?

00:19:12.100 It's like we've made them all sorts of promises, whether you mentioned Social Security, that we

00:19:17.400 aren't really in a position to fulfill.

00:19:19.300 And in the meantime, our politicians love to dole out little goodies, especially in election

00:19:24.420 years, to make people feel like, oh, yeah, I like this guy.

00:19:27.380 Yeah, this guy's looking out for me.

00:19:28.660 And they aren't looking out for the overall health of the economy, which, if it were robust,

00:19:33.020 would help everyone, right?

00:19:34.480 I mean, even Trump was such a huge spender.

00:19:36.460 He got the economy going in a way that was a lot more helpful than what we're seeing right

00:19:40.040 now.

00:19:40.300 But he was a huge spender, just like Barack Obama before him and Joe Biden after him.

00:19:44.840 And it just seems like there's no serious adult willing to say, look, it's going to hurt,

00:19:51.740 but this is what we have to do.

00:19:54.740 The comeuppance will be quite unpleasant.

00:19:56.700 So what do we do about that?

00:19:59.120 Because we had such a person, George H.W.

00:20:01.300 Bush, at one point, who, despite his promises, said, I'm going to have to raise your taxes

00:20:05.580 and I'm going to have to raise interest rates and we're going to have to get ourselves out

00:20:08.600 of this reception recession and that they killed him.

00:20:11.900 I mean, he was, you know, he was a one term president for a reason.

00:20:14.940 So politicians watch that and they learn and they understand not to make those promises

00:20:18.480 and in fact, not to do those things, not to do anything that that short term would hurt

00:20:22.340 because the populace will make them pay long term.

00:20:26.180 So, I mean, what do we do?

00:20:27.980 Do we have term limits?

00:20:29.080 Do we have to get only one term presidents in there from now on?

00:20:32.060 What is the solution?

00:20:33.800 I fear we won't address the problem until the very last minute.

00:20:37.480 Look at the history of the pandemic.

00:20:38.860 Like in January 2020, we knew it was coming, right?

00:20:42.620 We knew that for sure.

00:20:44.500 And Americans were going to die.

00:20:46.320 And that was basically, you know, a month away, a little more than a month away.

00:20:50.240 We didn't spend enough money.

00:20:51.860 We didn't prepare enough.

00:20:52.960 We didn't do enough to get our hospitals ready.

00:20:55.000 And that was something that might kill you in a few weeks time.

00:20:57.960 And we still didn't act decisively.

00:21:00.680 So when it's something that appears vaguer, harder to wrap your arms around, fiscal crisis,

00:21:05.760 you know, maybe 13 years from now, I think we're just going to let it ride and encounter

00:21:11.060 a very big ouch down the road.

00:21:13.520 What does all this do to the value of the dollar and its role in the international markets?

00:21:18.960 Well, here's the good news and the bad news.

00:21:21.340 Other countries are in at least as bad shape as we are.

00:21:24.220 So right now, the dollar is relatively high.

00:21:26.800 If you look at Eurozone inflation, they have their own problems.

00:21:30.420 You know, they grow at 1% a year on average.

00:21:33.260 They're much more over-regulated than we are.

00:21:36.280 They have neighbor problems, obviously, with Russia, the war in Ukraine.

00:21:40.380 So I'm actually bullish on the dollar, but not because I think we're doing the right thing.

00:21:45.480 We are, in a sense, a giant amongst pygmies.

00:21:48.240 And you should be worried for many other countries all the more.

00:21:52.220 How about speaking of the dollar?

00:21:53.540 The stock market has taken a beating over the past couple of days.

00:21:57.140 And, you know, it's not a problem for you unless you actually have to sell, right?

00:22:01.380 You don't want to sell in a market like this.

00:22:03.780 And so if you're on a fixed income and you rely on market trends or a pension, you're worried.

00:22:10.240 What do you make of it?

00:22:11.200 I mean, my understanding is they fell precipitously because of the Fed's hiking this interest rate.

00:22:15.900 But what's your understanding?

00:22:18.180 I think there's more to it than that.

00:22:19.500 The fundamental development is a revaluation of how much tech stocks are worth.

00:22:24.100 So if you think of a company like Shopify or really all of them, and this started even, you know, November of the year before, people have just realized that the entire future is not just tech, tech, tech.

00:22:37.080 This may even have some healthy sides.

00:22:39.560 So Meta, you know, Facebook was down quite a bit at first.

00:22:42.620 Now crypto is down.

00:22:44.440 Peloton, not really a tech stock, but it's something you do at home when you can't go out.

00:22:49.000 They're at, I think, a tenth of their peak value.

00:22:50.960 So I think it's just the world waking up and realizing a lot of big changes that we thought were coming are going to be more modest than we'd been expecting.

00:22:59.960 It's not great news, but I don't actually think, you know, it's the ruin of the republic.

00:23:04.720 I think it's people focusing more on the real economy.

00:23:08.300 Do you think it's a it's it's a bad harbinger for Elon Musk?

00:23:11.740 I mean, it seems like maybe that's in the wake of what you just said.

00:23:14.180 Maybe it's not a great time to buy Twitter.

00:23:16.560 I think he will enjoy running Twitter.

00:23:18.680 I'm not sure how much money Twitter will make him.

00:23:21.540 He can afford to take some losses on Twitter.

00:23:24.040 In that sense, I believe it is fine.

00:23:26.980 But really, tech stocks have been hammered so consistently.

00:23:30.860 That's the big development of the last few months.

00:23:33.980 And Bitcoin is way down, right?

00:23:36.000 I mean, Bitcoin was down at like 30,000 and it was trading.

00:23:38.960 How high was it trading?

00:23:39.960 It was definitely over 50 when it was recommended to me and I did not buy it.

00:23:43.420 But I'm like, maybe down to 30.

00:23:45.020 Maybe I should buy it.

00:23:45.740 I don't know.

00:23:46.060 You tell me.

00:23:46.580 But some of the surrounding infrastructure in crypto is actually doing much worse.

00:23:51.400 So these things called stable coins, a number of them are unraveling really as we speak and

00:23:56.380 just plummeting in value.

00:23:58.080 So I think a kind of crypto winter is coming.

00:24:00.820 I'm still hopeful for crypto and its long term prospects.

00:24:03.960 But there's going to be a huge shakeout, just like we had the dot com bubble.

00:24:07.280 You know, we had a real estate bubble burst.

00:24:09.380 But look, Americans still live in homes.

00:24:11.080 Tech stocks did come back.

00:24:12.300 I think crypto will come back.

00:24:14.300 But sort of the losing ventures, the frauds, the bubbles right now is the moment of their

00:24:19.540 comeuppance.

00:24:20.740 And I hope the solid crypto projects can still proceed.

00:24:25.120 On the subject of housing, it seems like everybody's always in the housing market one

00:24:28.920 way or the other.

00:24:29.760 They want to get in or they want to get out.

00:24:31.480 They want to sell their home or they're hoping one day to buy a home and they're watching these

00:24:34.720 interest rates.

00:24:35.300 And, you know, it seems like the market has been doing very well in terms of selling properties

00:24:40.360 and so on over the past year plus, despite the pandemic.

00:24:45.400 Where's that going to go now that the Fed's raising these, you know, interest rates, which

00:24:48.960 will affect mortgages and so on?

00:24:50.180 So where do you see this going?

00:24:51.440 And are we in some sort of a housing bubble that's about to burst?

00:24:55.680 Homes are a good hedge against inflation.

00:24:58.040 They're just fun to live in.

00:24:59.600 Some of the attractions of living in a density populated city now don't seem as fun as they

00:25:04.700 ought to.

00:25:05.460 Many people have rediscovered the outdoors.

00:25:07.900 So I think the current level of home prices is stable.

00:25:10.700 In fact, a lot of quality real estate is probably still undervalued.

00:25:14.360 You're going to see a lot of parts of the country, such as the better cities in the

00:25:17.460 American South, just become quite expensive the way parts of the Northeast and the West

00:25:21.860 Coast did some while ago.

00:25:24.480 Wait, why?

00:25:24.960 Explain that.

00:25:26.980 Let's say you live in Atlanta.

00:25:28.440 Let's say you live in Charlotte.

00:25:29.780 Let's say you move to Bentonville or Nashville.

00:25:32.460 Those are great cities.

00:25:33.380 Wonderful places to live.

00:25:36.100 They're not that crazy.

00:25:38.140 I like the warm weather.

00:25:39.600 I like the sun.

00:25:40.340 They have much better food.

00:25:41.960 Socially, they're more tolerant than they used to be.

00:25:44.340 So say you're a gay couple.

00:25:45.680 You want to move to a city like that.

00:25:47.340 It's now a perfectly fine thing to do.

00:25:49.960 They have new and better companies.

00:25:51.680 That land's going to be worth a lot more.

00:25:53.420 I'm very optimistic about the U.S.

00:25:55.220 Southeast and Texas and Florida, for that matter.

00:25:57.860 Well, you're not the only one.

00:26:01.080 We hear from a lot of our viewers who are very enthusiastic about those states as well

00:26:04.500 and for maybe different reasons, but they all sort of flow together when you're deciding

00:26:08.460 where you belong.

00:26:10.540 Listen, Tyler Cowen, much more to discuss with him, including his amazing book talking about

00:26:14.760 hiring and getting great talent and what the signs are.

00:26:18.060 I mean, have you ever struggled with this?

00:26:19.800 Either you are the talent, you're trying to impress somebody, or you're trying to hire

00:26:23.360 great talent for a company that you run or are a part of.

00:26:26.480 And he's got some great insider tips on the questions you need to be asking yourself

00:26:30.720 and the person across the table from you.

00:26:33.560 We'll get into that next.

00:26:39.700 Our guest today is Tyler Cowen, professor of economics at George Mason University and

00:26:44.180 author of the new book, Talent, How to Identify Energizers, Creatives, and Winners Around

00:26:50.880 the Globe, which comes out tomorrow.

00:26:52.980 You should place your order today.

00:26:55.120 So Tyler, let's talk about it.

00:26:57.020 Why Talent Matters is chapter one.

00:26:59.760 And I mean, it seems like, well, duh, you don't want to get somebody who's not talented

00:27:02.940 working for you, but you get into it a little bit more than that.

00:27:06.520 And you talk about in particular, you know, what do people understand talent to be?

00:27:11.720 Because for a long time, it was, well, definitely it has to include a college degree.

00:27:15.500 And that seems to have been changing, thankfully, I would say.

00:27:19.300 But what talent are you talking about?

00:27:21.900 People who have the ability to come up with new ideas, run indirect projects, and motivate

00:27:27.220 other people.

00:27:28.360 In so many ventures, that is what is truly scarce.

00:27:30.900 It's typically not money.

00:27:32.320 If you have the talent, you can raise the money or earn the money through revenue.

00:27:36.080 So how is it that we as Americans can do a better job finding and mobilizing our talent?

00:27:41.720 That's the key theme of this book.

00:27:43.580 Mm-hmm.

00:27:44.180 And you talk about the interview.

00:27:45.940 It definitely does matter.

00:27:47.880 And talk about sort of the areas of inquiry and sort of giving information and getting

00:27:54.440 information and the balance between the two.

00:27:57.020 What you want to do in an interview is get people off script.

00:28:00.220 So there's plenty of questions you can ask them.

00:28:02.280 Where all your testing is really, did they prepare at all?

00:28:04.980 So there's very predictable questions like, what mistakes did you make on your last job?

00:28:09.400 And that's fine.

00:28:10.820 But almost everyone is ready for that kind of question.

00:28:13.660 What you want to do is get people talking about things they care about so you develop

00:28:18.400 a sense of how they actually live their lives, make decisions, and relate to other people.

00:28:24.140 Like what?

00:28:24.420 What are some of your very favorite interview questions?

00:28:27.160 It's going to depend on the candidate.

00:28:28.720 But once I was interviewing a young person who said he loved science fiction and Star Wars.

00:28:34.080 So I said, well, in Star Wars, was Yoda a good decision maker?

00:28:38.140 Was he a good judge of talent?

00:28:39.640 Did he give good advice?

00:28:41.320 That's not a question they can prepare for.

00:28:44.200 But you see how they think on their feet, how they understand interpersonal relationships,

00:28:49.040 just how they respond to a bit of surprise.

00:28:51.560 So again, getting people off script, I think, is the key.

00:28:54.000 Mm-hmm.

00:28:55.260 One of the ones that you recommend in the book is, what are the open tabs on your browser

00:29:00.580 right now?

00:29:01.960 I love that.

00:29:02.980 So I actually went and I looked at my phone's browser just before we started the interview

00:29:06.840 just to see what it says about me.

00:29:07.900 I'm not sure it says good things.

00:29:09.060 I got to be honest, Tyler.

00:29:10.600 Number one, first thing that comes up is Square Root explained.

00:29:15.280 My second grader.

00:29:16.620 That's great.

00:29:17.320 He came in this morning to ask me questions.

00:29:19.180 I was like, I don't want to give you the wrong information.

00:29:21.640 So let me look it up.

00:29:22.480 Um, there's some Marie Antoinette.

00:29:24.600 Okay.

00:29:24.960 I was interested in her because Douglas Murray mentioned her.

00:29:27.500 News archives, articles by John Cass.

00:29:29.180 He was on the program.

00:29:30.220 Something about Tucker Carlson calling Jen Psaki shallow.

00:29:34.120 2020, a true crime story.

00:29:36.240 The Supreme Court leaker and their obstruction of justice.

00:29:39.300 Can dogs eat broccoli?

00:29:40.640 Because my Stradwick, my puppy, ate some a lot and I didn't know.

00:29:44.120 Wisconsin Democrats and what happened in Wisconsin.

00:29:46.620 Poison control.

00:29:47.860 How to induce vomiting in a dog.

00:29:50.240 RealClearPolitics.com.

00:29:51.160 Um, dog ate Easter egg dye.

00:29:53.960 What to do?

00:29:54.620 It's all about my damn dog.

00:29:56.720 They're A-plus browser tabs.

00:29:58.420 They show you are at work solving problems, right?

00:30:01.840 Okay.

00:30:02.300 I like that.

00:30:02.320 So my co-author and I, we have a favorite saying.

00:30:04.860 Personality is revealed on weekends.

00:30:07.040 When you just have time, what do you do with that time?

00:30:09.840 Are you solving problems or are you wasting time?

00:30:12.520 Your tabs show you are solving problems.

00:30:14.660 Oh, that's actually very true.

00:30:16.900 That's very true.

00:30:17.500 If anything, I don't make enough time for leisure and, you know, the influx of things

00:30:21.720 from which you would generate creative ideas.

00:30:23.680 That's a self-criticism I have that I'd like to work on, you know, because that's important

00:30:28.180 too.

00:30:28.800 Though there has to be balance, right?

00:30:30.320 The person can't be all about the leisure.

00:30:31.620 I had a friend who went skiing for like four months and then we recommended him for a job

00:30:36.240 interview because he's a really talented guy and the people who interviewed the guy were

00:30:39.640 like, you sent, you sent us somebody who'd been skiing for four months.

00:30:43.260 This person doesn't have a work ethic.

00:30:45.000 I'm like, well, it's complicated.

00:30:47.580 My open tabs, they're mostly about writing.

00:30:50.100 So I write a blog.

00:30:51.180 I write on Twitter.

00:30:52.800 I write columns for Bloomberg and I have a whole bunch of open tabs that help me write.

00:30:57.320 Essentially.

00:30:58.240 I have an RSS feed.

00:30:59.380 That's an open tab.

00:31:00.460 I have my email.

00:31:01.160 I have my Gmail.

00:31:02.400 I have my WhatsApp.

00:31:03.700 So it's all about communicating, sending information back and forth.

00:31:07.000 Those are my open browser tabs.

00:31:09.300 And what are you not looking for?

00:31:10.920 Like what would be something you'd see on the open tabs that would make you say, and no?

00:31:16.300 Well, I think some of the worst answers are just, well, I don't know what my open tabs

00:31:20.820 are or I don't really have any, or just the person is befuddled because the open tabs

00:31:26.920 don't have meaning to them.

00:31:28.320 So most definite answers are actually good answers.

00:31:31.160 So you had answers about a dog, about square roots.

00:31:34.140 I'm not judging what do I think of dogs.

00:31:36.080 It could be about a cat.

00:31:37.620 The point is you had clear answers directed at solving problems.

00:31:41.580 And that's what you're looking for in those answers.

00:31:43.260 What do you mean by, this is from the book, we see that the quality called grit matters.

00:31:48.400 But when you look at the numbers, perseverance is a personality feature that matters much

00:31:53.420 more than passion taken alone.

00:31:56.440 What do you mean by that?

00:31:58.780 Perseverance is when you stick with a project for a very long period of time.

00:32:02.720 And it can be years or even decades.

00:32:05.700 That predicts success in many areas.

00:32:08.140 But if simply the person shows up for work, all bursting with energy, it's better than the

00:32:13.980 alternative.

00:32:14.740 But a lot of people do that and then they bang their head against the wall and they don't

00:32:19.000 improve.

00:32:19.420 It's people who experience compound returns to learning over many years who become the

00:32:25.020 true very high achievers, people who every year work on somehow trying to be better or

00:32:29.640 more influential.

00:32:31.900 What about you say intelligence is usually overrated, most of all by people who are smart.

00:32:38.500 Love that.

00:32:39.320 But there are some cases where it really does matter.

00:32:41.940 So how do you figure out how smart do my employees need to be?

00:32:46.340 For most jobs, the person has to be smart above some particular level, and that will

00:32:52.040 depend what the job is.

00:32:53.980 But above that level, there's remarkably little correlation between smarts and actual

00:32:58.700 achievement.

00:32:59.840 So people who are smart and articulate, they tend to look for that in others.

00:33:03.300 Again, you have to look for people smart enough to do the job at all.

00:33:06.600 But after that margin, the fact that they're impressing you with their smarts, you should

00:33:10.560 discount somewhat, not be too impressed.

00:33:13.180 Just look at how long will they stick with improvement.

00:33:16.840 What are their open browser tabs?

00:33:18.940 How well can they, in a company or institution, perceive the relevant hierarchies and learn

00:33:24.860 how to climb the right ones?

00:33:26.440 Those are often all more important than smarts.

00:33:29.560 How can you, I'd much rather have somebody who is medium smart and a gunner, you know,

00:33:34.440 than somebody who's super smart and lazy.

00:33:37.100 Laziness is abhorrent, right?

00:33:38.900 And an employee is the last thing you want to see.

00:33:40.880 And in today's day and age, where half of us work via Zoom, you don't even see your staff,

00:33:44.960 how do you know?

00:33:46.520 How do you know if you're about to hire somebody who's lazy?

00:33:50.220 Well, if the person has an established track record, you look at that record, you call

00:33:54.220 references.

00:33:55.380 But obviously, very often you're hiring very young people.

00:33:59.300 And then I think you just want to ask some questions.

00:34:01.560 What were the earliest attempts you made to do something that mattered to you?

00:34:06.140 And just see what the answer is.

00:34:07.480 Don't look for importance in the answers.

00:34:09.080 Look for the fact that they tried something at all, say, when they were 14, that they set

00:34:13.820 out on some venture and stuck with it.

00:34:16.280 And those people will tend to, you know, be the gunners that you're looking for.

00:34:20.960 I love that.

00:34:21.860 Oh, this is so helpful.

00:34:23.100 Honestly, like this is a book that you can use to dazzle potential employers because you

00:34:28.940 can take a lot of these techniques and manage to sort of drop some of these ideas in the

00:34:32.360 interview.

00:34:32.620 Even if the interviewer has not read this book, they will be wowed by you in a way that

00:34:38.140 the others won't wow them.

00:34:39.320 And of course, if you are somebody in a hiring position, this will take your interview techniques

00:34:43.480 next level and help you recruit some of the best talent in a job market that sadly is too

00:34:48.780 scarce right now.

00:34:50.160 It really is hard to find really talented people right now.

00:34:54.060 Of course, if you pay well, that can solve a lot of problems.

00:34:56.200 All right, Tyler, thank you.

00:34:57.620 Thank you so much.

00:34:58.360 The book is out tomorrow.

00:34:59.100 It's called Talent.

00:35:00.120 How to Identify Energizers, Creatives, and Winners Around the World.

00:35:04.840 We appreciate it.

00:35:05.940 Thank you.

00:35:06.900 We are going to be right back with Victor Davis Hanson.

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00:35:44.420 Politico out with new reporting today on where the justices currently stand when it

00:35:50.580 comes to overturning rope.

00:35:51.720 The leaks just keep on coming.

00:35:53.820 We are not supposed to know this, people.

00:35:57.200 We're not supposed to know this.

00:35:58.780 But apparently, whoever's been talking to Politico is still talking.

00:36:02.560 We'll get to what they're saying.

00:36:04.280 This is President Biden launches a new attack on the GOP as, quote, ultra MAGA.

00:36:09.500 Jen Psaki loves it.

00:36:10.700 She says it was Joe Biden's idea to add ultra to give his new attack line, quote, a little

00:36:17.600 extra pop.

00:36:20.900 Joining me now is Victor Davis Hanson.

00:36:22.920 He's a conservative commentator, a Martin and Ely Anderson senior fellow at the Hoover

00:36:27.280 Institute and author of the great, great book, The Dying Citizen.

00:36:32.860 Victor, great to have you back.

00:36:33.980 OK, so that's going to move hearts and minds.

00:36:36.840 Ultra, ultra MAGA.

00:36:38.740 Yeah.

00:36:38.840 I don't know why is it supposed to be a term of rebuke?

00:36:42.040 I don't understand it.

00:36:43.040 I mean, people who are for the agenda that was actualized the last three or four years

00:36:49.180 of two or three years, the Trump administration, they kind of like it.

00:36:52.840 And I think the polls suggest most people do, too.

00:36:55.420 So if you were going to double down on that, that would be pretty popular.

00:36:58.240 I suppose they're trying to scare away those Glenn Youngkin Republican women in the suburbs,

00:37:05.900 you know, the ones who they all say wanted Trump to moderate his tone, would have voted

00:37:10.440 for Trump if he had done that, you know, don't like hardcore MAGA and don't see themselves

00:37:15.400 as part of it as opposed to, you know, those who just like Republican policies.

00:37:20.540 Yeah, I guess that's easier if in a logical world, they would just simply try to address

00:37:26.560 crime that's creeping into the suburbs and inflation that's ruining people's household

00:37:30.760 budgets and maybe talk about critical race theory in the schools, but they're ideologues.

00:37:36.660 So they would rather be, I suppose, correct and unpopular and failed than politically incorrect

00:37:42.260 and successful and popular.

00:37:44.360 They love labels.

00:37:48.620 You know, I mean, that's the thing, like they love labels.

00:37:50.940 They love to talk about identity when it comes to race, when it comes to gender, when it comes

00:37:54.740 to sexuality, even when it comes to your political party.

00:37:57.680 They think these are problems and solutions, right?

00:38:01.100 Well, this is what we'll do.

00:38:02.160 We'll call them ultra MAGA and then the people will be less likely to vote for them, I guess,

00:38:07.040 is the thought.

00:38:07.880 Yeah, I don't understand that.

00:38:09.120 I mean, we started out with clingers and then we went to deplorables and irredeemables.

00:38:13.080 And then Biden added to that vocabulary.

00:38:16.280 Remember, he called them chunks and dregs.

00:38:19.240 And then the other day, you know, he wrote off half the country and said that they were the

00:38:22.440 most extremist group, terrorist group or extremist political group in American history.

00:38:28.380 So they don't learn that Hillary probably lost the election because of that irredeemable,

00:38:34.120 deplorable remark.

00:38:35.820 And Biden is doing the same way.

00:38:39.060 He does it also, you know, on foreign policy.

00:38:41.060 It's kind of scary when he says, I mean, nobody is more critical than Putin than I am or supportive

00:38:46.460 in Ukraine, but when you show weakness, as we did in Afghanistan, or you beg Putin to

00:38:53.360 pump more oil, as he did on the eve of the war, or you ask Putin not to hack particular

00:38:58.200 American entities, as he did, and then you turn around and say he's a butcher, he is a

00:39:04.620 war criminal, he's a murderer, and he has to be removed, then you're dealing with somebody

00:39:09.660 who's not stable, dangerous, doesn't fear you, and has 7,000 nukes.

00:39:14.180 Well, it's funny because he loves Ultra MAGA, and yet Ultra MAGA got, you know, some 70 plus

00:39:20.640 million votes.

00:39:22.020 And there are a lot of people in this country, it was a very slim margin of victory that he

00:39:26.060 had over Ultra MAGA himself, the man himself, Donald Trump.

00:39:30.880 So I don't know that that's even going to work with a MAGA descendant, such as Ron DeSantis,

00:39:36.560 if you want to say that that's what he even is.

00:39:38.740 Never mind if Glenn Youngkin throws his hat into the ring upon running.

00:39:42.380 But Biden clearly loves it, Victor, because listen to him.

00:39:45.960 I mean, he's like a kid with a toy.

00:39:47.880 He's as excited about it as Jen Psaki.

00:39:50.360 We put together just a short montage of how he's been sounding lately.

00:39:54.380 The Ultra MAGA Republicans who seem to control the Republican Party now.

00:40:01.920 It's the Ultra MAGA agenda.

00:40:04.700 I don't want to hear Republicans talk about deficits and their Ultra MAGA agenda.

00:40:10.320 It's a MAGA agenda, all right.

00:40:12.460 Let me tell you about this Ultra MAGA agenda.

00:40:15.020 It's extreme, as most MAGA things are.

00:40:17.240 This MAGA crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in American

00:40:22.760 history, in recent American history.

00:40:25.440 You know what it reminds me of?

00:40:27.240 When I was little in the 70s, I got my first pair of Levi's pants, and it had the secret

00:40:31.740 fifth pocket in the little front of the jeans.

00:40:34.300 You know, you had your normal, you'd stick your hand in your pocket, but then it had a

00:40:36.760 tiny pocket, which they called the fifth pocket, because you had two on the front and two on

00:40:40.280 the back, and then this tiny one.

00:40:41.600 And I was so excited about it.

00:40:42.900 I went to all the neighbors' house.

00:40:44.300 I rang the doorbells, and I asked if they wanted to see my little fifth pocket, which they

00:40:48.820 indulged me in aloud.

00:40:50.380 That's him.

00:40:51.140 That's him with his new Ultra MAGA.

00:40:52.520 Yeah, he never defines his terms.

00:40:55.740 If you ask him, stop, Joe, tell us first what MAGA means.

00:40:59.540 Does it mean secure borders and not having optional military engagements abroad in the

00:41:05.980 Middle East, tough on reciprocal trade, deregulation, more energy development?

00:41:13.180 So that's MAGA.

00:41:14.140 Now, what is Ultra MAGA?

00:41:15.680 What goes beyond that?

00:41:17.400 You know, they project so much.

00:41:19.220 Any time that they have a weakness or they have an insecurity, then they project that

00:41:24.980 onto someone else.

00:41:25.960 So when he says that the Republican Party has gone extreme, if you just survey most Republicans

00:41:34.100 and who voted in 2008 and 2012, they would agree on certain things.

00:41:40.860 And that was probably maybe not the border, not trade or China, but on things like smaller

00:41:45.700 government, even whether they did or not is another matter, but fewer taxes, et cetera,

00:41:51.180 et cetera.

00:41:51.900 And the MAGA added five or six really important additions or substitutions for that agenda.

00:41:57.760 But the one that's been the party that's been very radicalized, of course, is the Democratic

00:42:01.600 Party, because if you took the 92 or 96 speeches at that Democratic convention from Hillary Clinton

00:42:09.280 or Bill Clinton or Nancy Pelosi, they would be drummed out of the Democratic Party today.

00:42:14.100 They wanted to close borders.

00:42:15.620 They said the unions were being undercut by illegal immigration.

00:42:19.460 They said that Bill Clinton had his sister soldier moment.

00:42:23.800 They had 100,000 police officers they wanted beef up the police.

00:42:27.720 So they're the ones that have really gone way off on the extreme edge.

00:42:32.940 And so they project that onto what they as they do everything else.

00:42:36.760 Well, it's interesting because the MAGA agenda, I mean, the head of MAGA may be not on the

00:42:41.140 ballot right now, though he could be in 24.

00:42:43.440 But the MAGA agenda seems alive and well and getting embraced in state after state.

00:42:50.260 So you look at even the races that we've seen recently.

00:42:52.820 J.D. Vance, the Trump endorsed candidate, wins in Ohio.

00:42:55.340 Last night in Nebraska, the Trump backed candidate for the gubernatorial race did not win.

00:43:00.340 But that guy had eight women accusing him of misconduct and so on.

00:43:03.560 He had all sorts of baggage that the other guys didn't have.

00:43:06.580 But in West Virginia, Trump, the Trump backed candidate just prevailed and so on.

00:43:10.000 So it's like you look around and sort of objective signs about whether people are repulsed by

00:43:14.500 by the MAGA agenda.

00:43:16.720 I don't know.

00:43:17.620 I'm not seeing that.

00:43:19.440 I'm not either.

00:43:20.040 I mean, if you take the three anti-MAGA states, the big ones, it's Illinois and New York and

00:43:26.540 California.

00:43:27.280 California lost population for the first time in its history the last two years.

00:43:31.360 And New York is losing and bleeding.

00:43:33.120 So is Illinois.

00:43:34.380 And when you look at states that embrace the MAGA agenda, Florida, Texas, Tennessee, they're

00:43:39.760 booming.

00:43:40.780 And so people vote for their with their feet.

00:43:42.800 If you look at out here, you know, when you talk to these polls that are showing Latinos,

00:43:47.300 Hispanics, Mexican-Americans, whatever term is appropriate, they're in a historical shift

00:43:52.500 right now.

00:43:53.060 I don't I've never seen anything like it.

00:43:54.680 You talk to people on the ground and they reflect the polls in the abstract.

00:43:58.940 People have had it with the inflation.

00:44:01.800 They've had it with the political correctness, the attack on the Catholic Church.

00:44:06.920 They've had it with a radical abortion.

00:44:08.700 If you're a Mexican-American, they've had it with they can't afford to fill up.

00:44:13.900 You know, if you have a diesel pickup, you're paying seven dollars a gallon out here in

00:44:17.040 California.

00:44:17.520 You've got to be, you know, your electrical contractor or plumber.

00:44:21.200 You just you want to know why that's happening and who did it.

00:44:24.200 And the answers always lead back to Joe Biden in their mind.

00:44:28.460 So does it suggest to you then that he may be seeing something about his internal polls?

00:44:32.740 Because that seems to me a term that would speak to Democrats, right?

00:44:36.260 They're the ones who hate MAGA.

00:44:37.600 They don't want to hear that term ever again.

00:44:39.660 So maybe he's seeing something with respect to his his own party's enthusiasm that's leading

00:44:46.080 him to want to whip up the base and concern.

00:44:48.240 I think so.

00:44:49.460 He's bleeding suburban women and he's bleeding Hispanics and he's bleeding African-American

00:44:55.220 males as well.

00:44:56.280 And he can't afford to do any of that because he's so alienated the white working class.

00:45:01.180 But, you know, we've seen this now for the last four months.

00:45:04.920 Every, I don't know, two or three weeks, we have a psychodrama.

00:45:08.380 It's January 6th's latest findings or it's Roe versus Wade or it's Putin's price hike or

00:45:17.220 the Ukraine war destroyed the economy.

00:45:19.080 Or there's going to be 100 million Omicron cases in the fall.

00:45:24.220 And it's always this hysteria that lasts about five days.

00:45:28.040 And the intent is we're not going to talk about the border and inflation, energy prices, crime,

00:45:33.120 none of that.

00:45:34.140 But we want a hysteria of the week.

00:45:36.780 And this is the hysteria of the week.

00:45:39.040 Apparently, there's something out there called ultra MAGA.

00:45:41.440 And it's not going to work.

00:45:45.360 They can't change.

00:45:46.520 The only thing that could save them right now, Megan, if they sat down with a Republican

00:45:49.880 and said, look, you're probably going to win the House and you may win the Senate.

00:45:54.780 But let's try to get something done right now.

00:45:56.560 Let's try to finish the wall.

00:45:58.400 Let's finish Keystone.

00:45:59.700 It's open ANWR.

00:46:00.640 And maybe we'll just compromise to do it for three years and get a couple more million

00:46:05.260 barrels of oil produced, more natural gas.

00:46:08.840 Just close the border for a while and we'll talk about what to do then.

00:46:11.740 They'll never do that.

00:46:13.500 Well, the old Joe Biden might have done that.

00:46:15.420 The old Joe Biden made his name by being the sort of moderate guy who could work across

00:46:20.140 the aisle.

00:46:20.900 He's gone.

00:46:21.740 There's not even any evidence of that person remaining.

00:46:25.980 And I know there is one evidence, though, don't you think?

00:46:27.840 Joe Biden was always very a nasty person.

00:46:30.960 I mean, this idea of good old Joe Biden from Scranton, in his moments of, I should say,

00:46:39.680 in his moments of clarity, he still reveals that.

00:46:43.980 And even when he's not clear, he still reveals through these corn pop and stories.

00:46:48.140 And you ain't black and junkie and hey, boy.

00:46:52.440 And when he said, you guys are, you know, the most extreme organization in the world,

00:46:59.960 all the Republicans are going to put you all back in chains.

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:03.400 This is not the talk of a nice guy, a uniter.

00:47:06.820 All right, wait, let me pause you and we'll pick it right up right there after a quick break.

00:47:11.080 Much, much more next hour as well with the one and only Victor Davis Hanson.

00:47:15.500 So, Victor, on the, you know, we just need a little extra pop by infusing ultra before MAGA.

00:47:25.200 When Jen Psaki said that, she explained why this term is so appropriate and in particular pointed out

00:47:32.600 the Republicans' penchant for starting and obsessing all of these culture wars.

00:47:38.320 Listen here.

00:47:38.740 Who came up with this phrase, ultra MAGA?

00:47:42.120 Why the need to kick it up a notch?

00:47:44.420 MAGA wasn't enough?

00:47:46.320 I mean, why now use this phrase?

00:47:49.280 I will tell you is the president's phrase.

00:47:52.020 And the president made those comments himself just last week, as you know.

00:47:57.280 And I think what has struck him is how extreme some of the policies and proposals are

00:48:02.320 that a certain wing of the Republican Party, but it's not just obviously putting at risk

00:48:08.340 a woman's right to make choices about her own health care, Rick Scott's extreme plan.

00:48:12.700 And it's also the obsession with culture wars and wars against Mickey Mouse and banning books.

00:48:17.900 President thinks that's extreme.

00:48:19.440 That is not what the American people care about or what they want.

00:48:21.900 And so to him, adding a little ultra to it, give it a little extra pop.

00:48:28.040 The culture wars.

00:48:29.100 They always do this.

00:48:30.000 It's the Republicans' obsession with culture wars.

00:48:33.160 That's what we're seeing in the country right now, not actual attempts by the Democrats

00:48:37.240 to literally change most things about the culture that have been assumed as givens for

00:48:42.500 the vast majority, if not all of our history.

00:48:44.980 Yeah.

00:48:45.460 I mean, they say in the year of our Lord, 2022, there's going to be three or more genders.

00:48:50.440 If you don't like it, then you're an extremist that wants to go to war with your own country.

00:48:55.460 And that's the conditions that they apply to conservatives.

00:48:57.960 It's either roll over and accept it, that you're on the losing end or you're on the wrong side

00:49:02.400 of history, as Obama used to say, or you're an extremist and you're ultra.

00:49:07.120 But I don't think it's going to work.

00:49:08.740 I think people have got kind of armor now.

00:49:10.720 They're so attuned to this constant whining and blaming somebody else.

00:49:15.640 Biden was on yesterday on the airwaves, blaming people for inflation, anybody but Joe Biden.

00:49:21.780 And they just look at the stuff of life.

00:49:24.440 They say, you know what?

00:49:26.280 There's no formula on the shelves.

00:49:28.300 I haven't bought a stake in two months.

00:49:30.540 They say the border, look at it.

00:49:32.560 It's not even a border anymore.

00:49:33.900 And I can't even get my car and drive and rents and houses are out of touch.

00:49:40.660 If you go to Home Depot and you want to buy a pipe or you want to buy Romex wire, you can't

00:49:46.820 afford it.

00:49:47.300 It's just outrageous.

00:49:48.080 And they say, this is stuff, you know, the stuff of life is eating and it's moving and

00:49:54.020 it's having shelter and it's being safe from crime.

00:49:56.920 And this guy in the last 15 months destroyed it.

00:50:00.100 And I don't care what he says or alter this or cultural extremism that it's just not going

00:50:06.800 to work.

00:50:07.240 I think they're going to be there's going to be a tsunami in November and they know it.

00:50:10.840 They've tied themselves down on a railroad track when they bound themselves with ideological

00:50:15.180 handcuffs to the track.

00:50:17.100 And that that electorate is the locomotive and it's coming right at them and they don't

00:50:21.420 know what to do about it.

00:50:22.620 I think about girls in my new home state and I'm from New York state.

00:50:26.460 But right now living in Connecticut, girls like I've interviewed these these teenage

00:50:30.660 girls who were running track and doing really well and had overcome a lot of obstacles in

00:50:35.240 their 15, 16 years.

00:50:37.300 One was we talked to was it was a person of color and her mom was very frank about the

00:50:43.360 challenges that that had brought into her daughter's life when she was younger and so

00:50:46.240 on, ran track, were doing great.

00:50:48.620 And then guys started running, saying they were girls and crushing them, crushing these girls

00:50:53.660 and these girls, very brave, decided to speak out about it and say, I don't feel like it's

00:50:57.700 fair.

00:50:58.180 They didn't have to take hormones.

00:50:59.940 They didn't have to do anything.

00:51:00.880 They're already they've already been through puberty.

00:51:02.860 They were running as on the guys team last year.

00:51:05.040 OK, so these girls decide to fight back.

00:51:07.180 And now more and more people are feeling comfortable challenging something like that.

00:51:11.200 So that is not an obsession over a culture war.

00:51:14.940 That is an obsession with fairness, with what's right.

00:51:19.420 And you've got people like Jen Psaki who refuse to condemn that, who won't even discuss it

00:51:26.260 other than saying, and I quote, trans rights are human rights.

00:51:30.020 And when you try to push back again, extremist ultra obsession with your culture war stuff.

00:51:35.380 Yeah, I think I think throughout history, ideologues, if you want to sum them up, is they don't

00:51:40.300 care about people, whether it's Jacobins and French Revolution or it's Bolsheviks or it's

00:51:45.540 Cuban Fidelistas.

00:51:47.700 They don't care about people.

00:51:49.100 So if you ask an ideologue on the transgender issue, well, look at what you're doing to a

00:51:53.760 whole generation of women.

00:51:54.880 He would just say, you know what?

00:51:56.000 Some eggs have to be broken for the omelet.

00:51:58.520 And if you ask him, you say to them, you have any idea what it's like to live on the border

00:52:04.100 when a million and a half people cross in a pandemic without vaccinations or tests or any

00:52:09.900 background checks?

00:52:10.960 Do you have any idea what it is for an elderly Asian American woman to be thrown into a subway

00:52:15.780 or kicked on a stairwell by somebody who's been let out for violent crime six times within a year?

00:52:23.580 Do you have any care?

00:52:24.660 They don't.

00:52:25.340 They have no compassion.

00:52:27.000 Do you have any idea what it's like for a mom with three kids to get in their SUV and drive

00:52:33.280 kids to this and that here in an L.A. suburb or San Francisco suburb and pay $6.30 a gallon

00:52:39.520 for gas?

00:52:40.360 They don't have any care.

00:52:41.740 It's the ideology.

00:52:43.500 It's all that matters.

00:52:45.320 Well, the lies, I mean, the blatant misrepresentations about these issues that really affect people

00:52:51.220 are running out of any believability.

00:52:54.480 And so you've outlined a few of them and they're so obvious you can't, you know, you can't

00:52:59.360 deny it.

00:52:59.820 But so from CRT, it's not being taught in schools.

00:53:02.720 Well, we know that's not true.

00:53:03.780 I mean, we just know that's not true.

00:53:05.480 Defund the police.

00:53:06.380 No, we were never for that.

00:53:07.520 Well, we have tape.

00:53:08.360 We have written op-eds.

00:53:09.920 We have your positioning.

00:53:10.720 We have your votes in Congress.

00:53:11.920 We know it's not true.

00:53:13.500 Putin's price hike right at the gas pump.

00:53:15.580 No, we saw the prices going up long before the war in Ukraine.

00:53:18.540 You can't get away with that anymore.

00:53:20.220 Inflation.

00:53:20.800 OK, it's all the Republicans fault or it's the pandemic now or it's Putin.

00:53:25.040 You spent a year telling us it wasn't even happening.

00:53:28.280 You went with this isn't this is transitory.

00:53:30.840 It's going to pass like in a moment.

00:53:32.200 So we know that you're not straight shooters on this.

00:53:34.620 And you had a great piece out just this week called The Exasperated American.

00:53:39.940 There's a line in there that writes behind the popular furor is a sense of impotence in

00:53:45.700 the face of the untruth that people are assaulted with day after day.

00:53:52.340 Bullied Americans are angry that people who control the nation's institutions deliberately

00:53:58.180 mislead them and do so because they hate them.

00:54:03.100 Yeah, I think they do.

00:54:05.800 I mean, just the other day, Megan, Hillary Clinton was ranting about the next election

00:54:11.220 and how basically the democracy dies in darkness narrative.

00:54:16.360 And I was listening to her and I thought, you were a conspirator.

00:54:21.100 You were a racketeer.

00:54:22.500 You told the nation that this dossier that you hired through the paywalls of Perkins Coie

00:54:28.980 and the DNC and Fusion GPS.

00:54:31.480 You told us that this was authentic.

00:54:33.260 It was a complete fabrication.

00:54:35.360 He was a foreign national that you hired to interfere in a political campaign.

00:54:39.760 That's a felony.

00:54:40.420 And then you had another contractor, and it looks like from Mr. Durham's investigations,

00:54:47.000 that this alpha ping that you fabricated that entire, your team fabricated that entire story

00:54:53.460 to destroy another opposition who was president of the United States.

00:54:57.400 And then, you know, when you look at, and then she was weighing in on January 6th.

00:55:01.440 And I said, you know, all of us deplored the riot inside the Capitol, but it was a complete

00:55:05.000 lie that Officer Brian Sicknick died violently at the hands of a MAGA protester didn't happen.

00:55:12.240 And so all of these, we live in an empire of lies and all of these people promulgate them.

00:55:17.820 And there's not going to be any consequences.

00:55:20.320 When James Clapper lies under oath to Congress and says, you know, the NSA never spies on anybody.

00:55:26.200 Oh, sorry, I gave you the least untruthful answer.

00:55:29.180 Or John Brennan twice lied under oath.

00:55:31.940 Or Lovis Lerner, you know, took the tip.

00:55:33.760 But there's just all of these people are unaccountable.

00:55:36.580 And I think people are, they're just saying, you know, I don't believe what these people

00:55:40.800 tell me.

00:55:41.620 They're this bi-coastal elite.

00:55:43.100 They think they're exempt from the law.

00:55:45.640 Rules don't apply to them.

00:55:48.440 They put their kids in private school and lecture us how terrible you are if you charter,

00:55:53.420 go to a charter school or home school, or how wonderful teacher unions are.

00:55:57.460 But that's not applicable to them.

00:55:58.980 They have big walls around the Pelosi estate in Napa, but she damns walls on the border.

00:56:04.600 So I think there's going to be a reckoning.

00:56:07.520 And I really do feel it.

00:56:08.920 And I think it's going to happen in November.

00:56:10.600 And I think Jen Psaki and Joe Biden, you know, in the abstract, they think, uh-oh, we're in

00:56:16.000 trouble.

00:56:16.380 But they don't, they're not in the concrete.

00:56:18.000 They don't really have their hand on the pulse of the country.

00:56:20.960 It's very angry right now.

00:56:22.260 And it's angry in one direction.

00:56:26.120 You mentioned Hillary Clinton, the nerve.

00:56:29.620 She came out April 21st, I think it was, to rail against disinformation.

00:56:35.720 She actually hit tweet, published a tweet that reads, for too long, tech platforms have amplified

00:56:42.880 disinformation with no accountability.

00:56:44.700 And she goes on from there, calling on the EU to basically push this law that would crack

00:56:51.340 down on free speech over there that somebody labels disinformation.

00:56:55.240 I mean, Victor, the nerve of Hillary Clinton, who we know now, we know thanks to the Durham

00:57:02.160 investigation.

00:57:03.160 This is not some Republican or Hillary Clinton hating theory.

00:57:07.720 John Durham has made clear that she was the one who actively put together the whole Russiagate

00:57:13.800 lie in an effort to distract from her own email and server problems, and that it's documented.

00:57:21.140 This is what she and her campaign did to try to mislead everybody, to look at this fake,

00:57:26.300 shiny thing, to get the heat off of her.

00:57:29.220 And that's not the headline in the newspapers.

00:57:32.820 Not anyone other than right-wing media responds to that with, you've got to be kidding me.

00:57:38.560 Just ask yourself, Megan, what would have happened in, say, October of 2020, if we had this Homeland

00:57:48.900 Security Department of disinformation, and they were all fully staffed, and Hunter Laptop

00:57:54.680 story broke, and the New York Post published it, and then they would call up their friends

00:57:59.800 in Silicon Valley, which they did, and they silenced that.

00:58:03.260 But what if the government got involved and said, you know what, you were promulgating

00:58:07.140 a lie during the national campaign cycle, and we're going to do the following to you?

00:58:13.180 And I think they're perfectly willing to do that.

00:58:15.900 They're sort of the government version of these, you know, the Washington Post fact-checker,

00:58:21.200 the New York Times fact-checker, Paul of fact, all of these fact-checkers who have this

00:58:25.720 veneer of being disinterested, but they're partisan hacks.

00:58:28.880 And that's what I think everybody is, I think we've never seen anything quite like the left.

00:58:35.300 It's not the Democratic Party.

00:58:36.900 They're gone.

00:58:37.460 They're in ancient history.

00:58:38.460 They're ossified, calcified.

00:58:39.940 They don't exist.

00:58:41.140 This is a hardcore Jacobin group of young people who are totally out of touch with the interior

00:58:46.900 of the country and the history and traditions of the United States, and they're hell-bent on

00:58:51.480 running to the finish line before they get kicked.

00:58:54.340 They know they're going to lose power.

00:58:55.720 They know they're going to be repudiated, and they don't care.

00:58:58.880 They're going to get this agenda in.

00:59:00.400 And Joe Biden, they told him, Joe, you outdid Obama.

00:59:05.360 I know you didn't get reelected.

00:59:07.140 I know you had problems.

00:59:08.100 I know we lost the House and the Senate.

00:59:09.840 But, you know, in that brief moment, that glorious two or three years, we did something

00:59:14.320 Obama never even dreamed of.

00:59:15.800 That's what your legacy will be.

00:59:17.140 That's what they really believe.

00:59:18.200 They're that delusional.

00:59:18.940 The thing is, you know, I talked to Bill Barr about this last week, Trump's attorney general

00:59:24.420 for the last couple of years of his term.

00:59:26.740 And one of the most interesting parts of his book, you know, he bumped up against Trump

00:59:31.440 because he didn't believe Trump's election fraud claims.

00:59:33.820 But prior to that, he was very loyal to Trump and, you know, was, I thought, a great attorney

00:59:37.780 general, he was making the point in his book that all of this really mattered and that

00:59:44.320 Trump really was placed in a position where for the first couple of years of his presidency

00:59:48.760 and then and then thereafter as well because of these impeachments.

00:59:52.420 But for the first couple of years of his presidency, all he was focused on this nonsense

00:59:57.320 every day.

00:59:58.640 It was a headline in another paper, this, quote, disinformation that Hillary is now so concerned

01:00:03.300 about, but really was the original purveyor of one of the biggest stories that consumed

01:00:07.040 the nation over the past five years because he had to fight.

01:00:10.380 And he explains to Bill Barr, and there's a this is in Bill Barr's book about why he

01:00:15.640 he was so combative and why he really can't be the guy that the suburban women want because

01:00:21.400 he's been embattled.

01:00:22.500 He's explaining to Bill Barr in the book.

01:00:23.940 He's been embattled his entire presidency with fake news, with lies about him, with lies

01:00:28.600 from the Democrats, with lies.

01:00:29.920 And that's not Trump crazy talk.

01:00:32.040 That really happened to him with no accountability.

01:00:35.720 That's a good point.

01:00:37.780 I think every all of us get offended when he has bouts of crudity or callousness, but none

01:00:43.720 of us have gone through what he has and no other president.

01:00:45.880 It's not an excuse to say, well, you're not president.

01:00:48.120 He is.

01:00:48.520 He should expect that.

01:00:49.880 No president has had his entire four years consumed with the steel phony dossier stuff.

01:00:57.320 That was for two years.

01:00:58.640 And they took a deep breath and they went right into impeachment.

01:01:02.420 They had no special counsel.

01:01:03.960 They had no cross-examination.

01:01:05.660 They went right to impeachment.

01:01:07.200 And it was based on two lies.

01:01:08.860 The first lie was that the Biden family, there was no evidence that it was basically a shakedown,

01:01:16.320 quid pro quo syndicate that in China and in Ukraine was selling the influence of Joe Biden

01:01:23.100 as vice president, as future trajectory as president, and second, that Donald Trump had

01:01:29.360 canceled aid and hurt Ukraine.

01:01:32.240 And the truth was that anybody who was president would be really wondering whether you really

01:01:38.080 wanted to deal with the Ukrainian government who was paying Hunter Biden, the son of a vice

01:01:42.540 president, for influence, an extraordinary amount of money, and whose special prosecutor

01:01:47.960 or federal prosecutor had been fired on the orders of Joe Biden.

01:01:52.360 And second, we had ordered, we had passed javelins to be sold to Ukraine.

01:01:58.520 And who canceled them?

01:02:00.060 Barack Obama.

01:02:01.300 Who suspended it for a few weeks?

01:02:04.000 Donald Trump.

01:02:04.580 And then who okayed offensive weapons, javelins included.

01:02:08.080 One of the reasons that they had javelins when Joe Biden took office was Donald Trump approved

01:02:13.220 them.

01:02:13.400 So we impeached a person over supposedly not giving enough aid to Ukraine and politicizing

01:02:19.300 that aid, even though he was far more generous than his predecessor.

01:02:23.960 And then we, the second charge was that he had interfered politically and tried to use his

01:02:30.340 office to hurt the Biden family in a political way.

01:02:34.580 And they were both concoctions.

01:02:36.400 And we didn't, and we didn't learn a thing from Russian collusion, farce, and that narrative.

01:02:41.840 We went right to the, um, you know, we went right to the impeachment and then we went right

01:02:47.040 into other things and never stopped.

01:02:49.120 Right.

01:02:49.760 Impeachment after impeachment with no accountability from the Democrats who made up these lies,

01:02:54.140 like Hillary and her campaign, or the media that pushed them.

01:02:57.720 I mean, at every level, including the Rachel Maddows of the world who have very large platforms

01:03:03.180 and are basically spokespeople for the democratic party who have had no accountability for any

01:03:07.980 of this.

01:03:08.420 And all we can do is look back at Trump and say, you know, this is a thing online, mean

01:03:13.300 tweets and, and sort of weird tweets, Kavevi and all that.

01:03:16.380 And I get it.

01:03:17.000 I get it.

01:03:17.500 You know, he, Trump, no question could be thin skinned and so on, but one has to wonder

01:03:23.080 what version of him we would have gotten if they, there hadn't been a constant assault

01:03:27.580 on the legitimacy of his presidency.

01:03:30.720 If they never left it alone, something they now say is horrible.

01:03:34.200 Right.

01:03:34.540 And then I say like, you shouldn't be doing that at all.

01:03:36.300 Right.

01:03:36.640 Trump, now that he does it to Biden, now it's out of bounds.

01:03:39.180 It's disgusting.

01:03:39.940 It's undemocratic.

01:03:40.860 They did it to him for his entire presidency.

01:03:44.380 I know it.

01:03:45.200 And then I, I disagreed on some of the details and many of them about his objections for the

01:03:51.700 election.

01:03:52.080 But my God, Stacey Abrams, two years earlier, had lost by 55,000 votes and toured the country,

01:03:59.540 basically being introduced as the real governor of Georgia.

01:04:02.420 And then Hillary Clinton, via her surrogate, Jill Stein, sued to overturn the election in

01:04:09.600 three, in three states.

01:04:11.000 And then we were subjected in 2016 after the election.

01:04:14.100 Remember those grade B Hollywood actors were making those videos and they were on TV every

01:04:19.060 night.

01:04:19.620 Hey, electors, please follow your conscience.

01:04:22.160 Do not vote according to your state tally.

01:04:25.540 Reflect the national vote.

01:04:26.860 It was a way to undermine the election.

01:04:29.640 And then remember, she said to Joe Biden, if you lose a popular vote, don't concede.

01:04:35.220 Don't concede.

01:04:35.960 And so it's almost surreal that these people have done so much to damage these institutions.

01:04:42.640 And I'm not even getting into, let's get rid of the filibuster.

01:04:45.200 Let's get rid of the electoral college.

01:04:46.680 Let's get it.

01:04:47.600 Add two more states.

01:04:48.680 Let's have a national voting law that trumps the state's prerogatives in the constitution

01:04:52.740 about national election, balloting, all of that stuff.

01:04:56.660 And it's almost as if we can't appeal to 51% of the people.

01:05:01.280 So we've got to change the system.

01:05:03.240 We've got to change the rules.

01:05:04.760 We've got to change the demography.

01:05:06.120 We've got to educate kids, you know, from five years on.

01:05:09.620 We've got to do anything other than take our case to the people because they're not going

01:05:13.520 to be persuaded.

01:05:14.220 And the revisionist history is so frustrating to me as a lawyer.

01:05:18.880 And in the courtroom, you have a record.

01:05:22.060 And when someone tries to wiggle, you can always cite the record.

01:05:25.900 On page 47 of the record, you said exactly the opposite.

01:05:28.520 You said this about inflation, or you said this about critical race theory, or you said

01:05:31.940 this about the trans community, or whatever.

01:05:34.040 And then you can impeach them with their prior inconsistent statement.

01:05:36.720 In politics, that's done through the media.

01:05:39.340 Mostly that's done through the media.

01:05:41.060 You know, you get to cross-examine these politicians and hold them to account.

01:05:43.860 But the media has completely abandoned its obligations.

01:05:46.900 It is.

01:05:47.820 And it's cosmic morality.

01:05:49.840 If you're right on a cosmic level, if you're for a certain number of issues, progressive

01:05:56.040 issues, then the details don't matter.

01:05:58.700 What that does, Megan, is it sets a tone in the country, just like it did in the Soviet

01:06:03.740 Union, just like it did in Mao's Cultural Revolution, just like it did in Cuba and Venezuela.

01:06:08.160 And people come out of the woodwork, often the most mediocre of people, and they think,

01:06:12.100 you know what, I don't believe this stuff, but I'm going to mouth this diversity, equity,

01:06:16.460 inclusion, and critical race theory, because it's kind of an insurance policy for my career,

01:06:21.120 and I will be rewarded accordingly.

01:06:23.700 And so you have all of these people who don't really believe it, and they've joined this

01:06:28.200 progressive locomotive because they feel that it's where the power is at right now.

01:06:33.680 No more so than these corporate CEOs, Disney, Pepsi, American Airlines, but whether it's voting

01:06:40.240 laws in Georgia, or just asking for an ID, which they ask for sometimes at their own theme park,

01:06:47.300 Disney does, or transgenderism, and professional sports, and CEOs, and stock market, academia,

01:06:55.060 K-12.

01:06:55.620 So you're really saying to the country, we have a very unpopular, but very intolerant ideology,

01:07:04.200 and if you don't join us, we're going to, there's going to be a lot of rewards if you do,

01:07:09.200 according to your station, if you're a local high school teacher, district principal in a school

01:07:14.000 district, or a bureaucrat at the EPA.

01:07:18.560 If you join us, you're going to be rewarded.

01:07:20.500 But if you don't, you're not, you're going to be doxxed, deplatformed, canceled out, ostracized,

01:07:25.900 harassed, and most people will make the necessary justice and choose the path of least resistance.

01:07:31.520 I wanted to mention something on the, you mentioned Florida and Disney, and it relates back to Jen

01:07:36.460 Psaki and that soundbite we played 20 minutes ago, talking about these crazy Republicans who

01:07:40.760 are obsessed with culture wars and with Mickey Mouse, right?

01:07:44.260 It sounds so absurd when you put it like that.

01:07:46.180 What happened with Disney, right?

01:07:47.600 Disney was outed as having super woke employees openly stating that they put their, quote,

01:07:55.340 queer and gay agenda into Disney movies and products wherever they can, and that no one

01:08:00.900 tries to stop them.

01:08:02.220 We saw those tapes thanks to somebody within Disney who leaked to Chris Rufo.

01:08:07.640 Florida pursued its own agenda saying, look, trans lessons, lessons about being trans and gender

01:08:14.780 identity in addition to sexual identity should not start before the third grade.

01:08:18.600 Don't put them in curriculum until you get past the third grade and then just keep it

01:08:22.620 age appropriate.

01:08:23.380 That's it.

01:08:23.820 That's the so-called don't say gay bill, which doesn't say anything about not saying gay.

01:08:29.560 And Disney, this super woke corporation who's working to ingest, inject queer and gay agenda

01:08:35.840 everywhere it can, decided to attack Ron DeSantis and say that they were going to come for him

01:08:40.680 and that they were going to withhold all their donations to Republicans and that they were going

01:08:43.660 to work actively to undermine this bill.

01:08:46.600 And DeSantis fought back.

01:08:48.360 He did.

01:08:49.040 And I've already expressed whether I got some concerns about where that's going to take us

01:08:53.280 legally, but you can't really disagree with it much as a strategy, right, to punch the bully

01:08:58.700 in the nose, that the bully only understands a punch in the face.

01:09:02.560 That's what happened there.

01:09:03.900 They didn't obsess with a fight over Mickey Mouse.

01:09:05.720 Mickey Mouse came for Ron DeSantis.

01:09:07.180 Yeah, I know.

01:09:08.640 I think there's a big debate, don't you, in the Republican conservative traditionalist

01:09:12.500 movement, and it's sort of Old Testament or New Testament.

01:09:16.060 And I don't have the answer.

01:09:17.720 And a lot of people say, well, when the Republicans take power again, the first thing they should

01:09:22.860 do is impeach Mayorkas.

01:09:24.960 He deliberately failed to follow federal law.

01:09:27.700 And the second thing they should do, even if they don't win 60 seats in the Senate, they

01:09:32.040 should impeach Joe Biden for not following federal law and not enforcing and violating

01:09:36.760 the office's office.

01:09:37.820 And then they say, you know what, maybe just for ruffles and flourishes, maybe Kevin McCarthy

01:09:43.660 should tear up the State of the Union address on national TV and see how Joe Biden likes that.

01:09:48.260 And they go down.

01:09:49.420 And then the other, I guess, New Testaments say, well, we got to turn the other cheek

01:09:53.580 and Sermon on the Mount.

01:09:54.660 And why would we want to descend down to their level?

01:09:57.120 And it's hard to know that you want to recreate or reestablish deterrence.

01:10:02.000 And they don't seem to understand anything other than tit for tat or how would you like

01:10:06.820 that?

01:10:07.120 I mean, I've never would imagine marching on a house of an official.

01:10:13.080 But what would happen right now if Elena Kagan or Sotomayor had a bunch of angry people outside

01:10:21.260 screaming and yelling?

01:10:22.080 There would be a federal law.

01:10:24.580 I mean, when parents, and I didn't approve of some parents, very few of them marched

01:10:29.980 about school board members.

01:10:31.880 And Psaki mentioned that.

01:10:32.920 They got the FBI out there.

01:10:34.900 The FBI was in the crowd.

01:10:36.780 Are there FBI agents circulating among the protesters of the Alito residents to make sure that they're

01:10:42.440 not violating the federal statute, which they apparently are?

01:10:45.760 And so I don't know how you can stop it with the Marcus of Queensbury rules.

01:10:51.540 And that's what the country said in 2016.

01:10:54.200 They said, you know, Trump is a pit bull, but we're going to point him in the right direction

01:10:58.540 because we can't take it anymore.

01:11:00.280 And I don't know if you keep going down that, you know, devolving tit for tat.

01:11:05.720 You did this.

01:11:06.240 You did this.

01:11:06.740 You know where it's going to lead.

01:11:07.800 It's going to lead to something like 1861.

01:11:10.060 So we've got to arrest it.

01:11:11.020 On the other hand, if you take the Romney McCain approach or the Bush approach, which is,

01:11:17.240 you know, all good people, then the left looks at that magnanimity and considers it weakness

01:11:23.800 to be exploited, not kindness to be reciprocated.

01:11:27.380 Yeah, you lose.

01:11:28.200 I guess just sitting here listening to you phrase it like that's interesting is I think

01:11:32.780 it has to be a combo.

01:11:34.160 You can't totally abandon, you know, some of the high ground and the principles we're committed

01:11:38.660 to as Americans, you know, in terms of our due process and free speech.

01:11:41.940 We don't want to abandon all those values just to win these wars, but you might have

01:11:46.700 to get a little dirty in fighting them and you might have to get a little dirty and sort

01:11:50.260 of do some things like what Ron DeSantis is doing, which, you know, one of my concerns

01:11:55.160 about it is it'll be used more often by a Democratic leader than it will by a Republican leader.

01:11:59.860 And so I just think it's like a slippery slope situation, but I don't deny liking seeing

01:12:05.400 him do it.

01:12:06.820 Now, can I say, though, on the subject of the denials, you know, inflation, CRT, not

01:12:12.820 happening, defund the police and so on, extraordinary piece, extraordinary piece in the New York Times

01:12:18.000 today.

01:12:18.560 All right.

01:12:18.880 Now, my buddies over at Commentary, we're talking about this today, which is how it came

01:12:22.440 to my attention.

01:12:24.740 Gun deaths surged during the pandemic's first year, the CDC reports.

01:12:29.000 OK, we already we already knew that we didn't need the CDC to come out and tell us that the

01:12:32.640 FBI did a whole report on this.

01:12:33.980 Soaring rates were driven largely by gun related homicides, which rose 35 percent from

01:12:38.860 2019 to 2020.

01:12:40.200 They go on.

01:12:40.960 They talk about the numbers, blah, blah, blah.

01:12:43.340 Listen to this, Victor.

01:12:44.840 There's a quote in the piece.

01:12:47.620 Not not one time did they mention defund the police or soft on crime prosecutors.

01:12:52.740 No, it's not in there.

01:12:53.720 If you're searching for that as the explanation, keep searching.

01:12:56.920 Then they had instead they have this quote from Andrew Morrell, director of the National

01:13:00.660 Collaborative on Gun Violence Research, quote.

01:13:03.080 In a sense, it's a mystery.

01:13:07.100 It's the big question everyone wants the answer to.

01:13:10.800 Everyone has a theory, but it's very hard to test the theories.

01:13:13.680 Even if the pandemic is part of the answer, that doesn't explain why rates have been rising

01:13:18.080 since 2016.

01:13:20.780 Not one word about defund or soft on crime prosecutors.

01:13:25.360 They're not going to solve it.

01:13:26.900 They're just going to do the revisionist history treatment of it and try to move forward.

01:13:32.860 I think so.

01:13:34.000 I mean, there were about 8000 African-Americans that were tragically killed, murdered, violently

01:13:39.880 shot, lethally shot last year.

01:13:42.740 And most of them, the great majority, I think 94 percent, were shot by other African-Americans.

01:13:48.900 It's a tragedy.

01:13:49.920 There were six African-Americans that were unarmed, shot while in police custody.

01:13:54.880 And yet that's less than one one thousand.

01:13:57.600 And yet, if you look at the media attention, it's all on the police and what they are doing.

01:14:02.720 And the result of that is police are not they don't have the fund to cover the adequate

01:14:07.980 territory and patrol.

01:14:09.560 And then second, when they get calls, they're not going into particular neighborhoods because

01:14:14.140 they feel it's lose, lose, lose.

01:14:15.940 If they don't pull their gun, they may be shot.

01:14:18.180 If they do pull their gun and injure somebody, their career is over.

01:14:21.020 If they shoot in self-defense, they're going to be in prison, whether they should be or not.

01:14:26.940 That's just the way that they look at it.

01:14:28.980 And that filters down to the street.

01:14:30.900 And people think, you know what?

01:14:32.700 And then if you're arrested, you're not going to be indicted.

01:14:35.400 If you're indicted, you're probably not going to be convicted.

01:14:37.420 If you're convicted, you're probably going to be paroled.

01:14:39.900 And put all that together, Megan, and people feel the law is not being applied equitably.

01:14:44.660 It's a social justice question of whether a person gets indicted or arrested, et cetera,

01:14:49.500 et cetera.

01:14:50.120 And you put all that together and it's not safe any longer.

01:14:53.420 And people are dying.

01:14:54.440 Mostly people who are poor and so-called marginalized people.

01:14:59.380 But we don't talk about it.

01:15:01.160 What I just said at my university, if I said that, I would be shouted down in the classroom

01:15:07.080 or after I gave a lecture.

01:15:08.800 That's just, they can't deal with the truth.

01:15:11.560 And it just, everybody knows it.

01:15:14.220 So we live these two, we live lives of quiet desperation.

01:15:18.480 We live lives that are lives.

01:15:20.440 I mean, we all have the data in front of us that we know and we make the necessary adjustments

01:15:26.000 when we go into New York or San Francisco or LA.

01:15:28.440 And yet we have another set of data that we sort of mouth and say, you know what, this

01:15:35.280 is very troubling.

01:15:36.920 It may be COVID.

01:15:38.940 It may be the lockdown.

01:15:39.760 We don't know.

01:15:40.700 Maybe.

01:15:41.460 It's a mystery.

01:15:42.960 Yeah, it's a mystery.

01:15:44.180 But we all are lying.

01:15:45.660 And that's not healthy.

01:15:47.120 It's kind of like Eastern Europe in the 1970s where everybody had to mouth this socialist

01:15:52.940 dogma and then privately in their apartment buildings, they would laugh and play cards at

01:15:57.260 night and they had, you know, quiet lives of desperation.

01:16:00.820 That's what we are now in America.

01:16:02.220 There are certain things we know to be true.

01:16:04.420 And in our own lives, we and our family and our friends make those adjustments.

01:16:07.920 But we don't say that we're doing that and we do not say the truth because to say the

01:16:13.740 truth will make you an enemy of the people.

01:16:16.660 And that's dangerous to be an enemy of the people, the people being the government, as

01:16:21.100 they use that term people.

01:16:23.280 That is one of the things they mentioned in the piece as a possibility, the systemic racism

01:16:27.180 inside the United States that leads people of color to commit crimes.

01:16:32.000 That's considered, but not the Ferguson effect and defund the police and the soft on crime

01:16:36.220 I don't understand about that.

01:16:37.520 You know, if you look at hate crimes, African-American males statistically are about double their

01:16:42.860 percentages in the population as the offenders and hate crimes, mostly against Asian-Americans.

01:16:49.420 But if you look at rare, violent interracial crimes, and they are rare, but when you look

01:16:55.800 at them, about 13, 6%, excuse me, African males, African-American adult males of the population,

01:17:03.220 they commit double the number of hate crimes against whites as vice versa.

01:17:08.940 And so that's the data.

01:17:10.700 And you can say, well, there's lashing out, young African-American males are lashing out

01:17:15.780 and they commit hate crimes or interracial crimes because of racism.

01:17:19.600 But you don't deny that they're doing it.

01:17:21.500 And that is what, what, and people have to talk about it.

01:17:26.240 Nobody ever, there's certain rails we can't speak about.

01:17:29.300 Maybe a cause is that there's a lot of music or in the popular culture, violence is, you

01:17:35.980 know, it's condoned.

01:17:37.020 And people talk about killing the police or hitting the man or doing this.

01:17:41.960 And maybe that filters down in a non-healthy way to young people, but you can't talk about

01:17:46.760 that.

01:17:47.100 So, all right, one thing you can talk about is the U.S. Supreme Court, and we're going

01:17:51.300 to do that next.

01:17:52.100 You heard Victor Davis Henson reference the protests outside of the justices' house, houses.

01:17:56.700 We've had more, and we're about to have a whole lot more tonight.

01:18:00.060 So we'll get into that, and we'll get into Politico's brand new leak on where the justices

01:18:04.860 stand on the reversal of Roe versus Wade.

01:18:10.520 So, Victor, the latest in this case.

01:18:13.680 Supreme Court now set to gather on Thursday, that'll be the first time they're all back

01:18:18.460 together since the leak of their draft decision.

01:18:23.160 They, Politico now reports yet another leak.

01:18:27.580 The sourcing is very ambiguous.

01:18:29.820 They actually don't have any sourcing on this particular line.

01:18:32.240 They just write, Politico has learned that Alito's draft remains the court's only circulated

01:18:40.660 draft.

01:18:41.120 So we were wondering why in May what was released to Politico was the draft from February.

01:18:47.740 It's the only one.

01:18:49.060 They have not released a second draft, which will be a delightful update for people who

01:18:54.680 want to see Roe versus Wade overturned, and that none of the conservative justices who

01:18:59.540 initially sided with Alito have to date switched their votes.

01:19:04.460 No dissenting draft opinions have been circulated by any justice, including the three liberals.

01:19:09.220 And it sounds like the justices haven't moved in terms of their positions.

01:19:15.320 Again, this is a huge leak.

01:19:18.220 Someone continues to leak to Politico about the ongoing deliberations of the court, where

01:19:23.240 the justices stand, and how many opinions they've circulated.

01:19:27.560 This, I've never seen anything like it.

01:19:29.960 And we'll let's start with that.

01:19:31.060 And then we'll get to the protest updates.

01:19:33.740 I think they feel that for superior moral ends, any means necessary or justified.

01:19:39.240 There was not much worry in the media or Jen Psaki about the leak at all.

01:19:43.860 I mean, it was probably a felony.

01:19:45.220 Nobody seemed to care.

01:19:46.560 It seemed that it would be very easy to find out who did it.

01:19:49.280 They have electronic data.

01:19:51.520 They can find out who downloaded or emailed.

01:19:54.280 It would be very easy to find out.

01:19:55.860 I don't think there's any interest in finding out.

01:19:58.360 And I don't think they feel that that's wrong.

01:20:00.720 No more so than going out and shouting at the home or the children of a Supreme Court

01:20:06.080 justice in order to influence his or her opinion.

01:20:09.260 It's just, they're ideologues.

01:20:11.460 And they feel that everything is justified because they're morally superior.

01:20:14.840 And they're doing all this for the people.

01:20:16.720 They love humanity in the abstract, but they really don't care about people in the concrete.

01:20:22.940 One of the other pieces of the political piece that goes on to say, now this does have sourcing.

01:20:28.080 One person close to the court's conservatives who spoke anonymously because of the sensitive

01:20:32.280 nature of the court deliberations said to Politico, this is the most serious assault on the court,

01:20:36.680 perhaps from within, because we don't know exactly who leaked it, that the Supreme Court

01:20:40.560 has ever experienced.

01:20:41.600 It is an understatement to say they, meaning the justices, are heavily, heavily burdened

01:20:48.360 by this.

01:20:49.420 A second person close to the court said that the liberal justices, quote, are as shocked

01:20:53.540 as anyone by the revelation.

01:20:55.440 Quote, there are concerns for the integrity of the institution, this person said.

01:21:00.280 The views are uniform.

01:21:02.420 I really have no doubt of that.

01:21:03.600 I believe all of the nine justices are probably horrified at this.

01:21:06.500 And they're probably horrified to open up Politico this morning and see the leaker continues

01:21:10.920 to leak.

01:21:12.040 And no one, literally no one, is afraid of the marshal of the court who's been tasked

01:21:18.480 with this investigation.

01:21:20.280 If they were really outraged, so I think they'd stop it.

01:21:22.400 They have the means to stop it.

01:21:23.740 They can call in the FBI if they wanted to.

01:21:26.360 And then they can embarrass Merrillette Garland if he refuses that request.

01:21:30.660 And it's a continuation.

01:21:32.340 Remember, I think it was in March of 2020 when, and it's been widely remembered lately,

01:21:39.400 when Chuck Schumer got out in front of the Supreme Court doors and at a front of kind

01:21:43.360 of an angry mob of people.

01:21:44.780 And he said, Gorsuch, Kavim, by name, he said, you sowed the wind and you're going to reap

01:21:50.780 the whirlwind.

01:21:51.440 And then he said something that I think that was underreport.

01:21:54.000 He said, you don't know what's going to hit you.

01:21:56.580 What do you mean by that?

01:21:57.540 Hit you.

01:21:58.440 You don't know what's going to hit you.

01:22:00.360 I mean, that was a direct threat to a Supreme Court justice.

01:22:04.900 It was, I think it was far more serious than the, you know, trashing the Capitol even.

01:22:09.860 That was bad enough.

01:22:10.880 But I mean, this is a senator and he goes out in front of a mob and he threatens them.

01:22:15.760 And then, you know, we've had that.

01:22:18.260 And so when you, you're now going, you're having senators who can do that with no consequences.

01:22:23.100 And then you have mobs going out to the homes of the Supreme Court justices.

01:22:28.720 And then they have no confidentiality.

01:22:30.780 There's no deterrence now.

01:22:32.060 So every judge knows that when they communicate with one another, that is fair game for it

01:22:37.900 to appear in Politico within hours.

01:22:40.480 You can't run a court like that.

01:22:42.740 And I think that's the point.

01:22:43.760 And then you have Elizabeth Warren when her first reaction is, we've got to pack the

01:22:46.520 court.

01:22:46.740 We've had the same court, 15, this issue of 15 judges packing the court, going back to

01:22:53.140 Roosevelt.

01:22:53.680 Nobody in their right mind ever wanted to do it.

01:22:56.280 We've had nine judges since 1869 for 150 years.

01:23:00.820 And that was a reaction to people packing the court when they lost or gained power.

01:23:06.460 And we said, finally, in 1869, we're going to set it at nine and stop the politicalization.

01:23:11.820 Now we're back to something that used to be considered disgraceful that FDR in 1937 tried

01:23:18.440 to use this huge majority that he won in 36 to pack the court, even as the Senate and

01:23:24.840 House turned on it.

01:23:26.320 And yet, and so that was a disgraceful thing in every history of jurisprudence.

01:23:29.920 And now it's something that is laudable.

01:23:32.740 We're talking about Elizabeth Warren's talking about packing the court.

01:23:37.460 Bernie Sanders, too.

01:23:38.560 I'm talking about getting rid of the filibuster.

01:23:40.040 All the all the norms have to go.

01:23:41.800 We've got to get rid of the filibuster and we have to pack the court and we have to add

01:23:45.340 states, as you point out.

01:23:46.320 We have the same number of states now for about 60 years, but that's got to change.

01:23:49.460 And then you've got people like Lori Lightfoot, mayor of Chicago, where we've had 16 children

01:23:53.560 under the age of 16, I think it is, shot dead in the first few months of 2022.

01:23:59.780 OK, you got little eight year old girls being shot to death as they're just outside playing

01:24:04.520 or hanging out with their moms.

01:24:06.020 This is what she tweets out.

01:24:07.540 Well, she shouldn't she should be worrying about the murder rate inside of her city.

01:24:11.680 Instead, she's promising.

01:24:12.980 And I quote, the summer of joy.

01:24:14.920 Oh, really?

01:24:15.860 OK, it's not going to be so joyful for the children and their families who are dying.

01:24:19.380 But she's focused on this, Victor.

01:24:20.980 To my friends in the LGBTQ community, the Supreme Court is coming for us next.

01:24:26.760 This moment has to be a call to arms.

01:24:29.860 She she pushed that out at the same time the U.S.

01:24:33.780 Senate thinks that the Supreme Court is so endangered they they and their family members

01:24:37.940 need 24 hour security.

01:24:39.300 They just passed that through by unanimous consent yesterday.

01:24:42.160 That's how unified the Senate was on the dangers facing the U.S.

01:24:45.900 Supreme Court right now.

01:24:47.220 The House has got to approve it.

01:24:48.200 And so does Joe Biden.

01:24:48.920 But the meantime, this woman's tweeting out.

01:24:50.460 It's a call to arms and they're coming for us.

01:24:52.960 People in the LGBTQ community.

01:24:54.460 It's beyond the point of inappropriate.

01:24:57.300 Yeah, I think when people officials can't have no clue how to deal with an existential

01:25:01.420 crisis, something that's deadly, something that's dangerous, something that endangers

01:25:05.940 the very fabric of our life, whether it's radical inflation or the border or a tax, then

01:25:11.600 they always look for some minor distraction and they say, we're going to do this and we're

01:25:16.060 going to worry about this and therefore don't look at what I'm not doing.

01:25:20.360 And so that's the projection.

01:25:21.980 But again, we're getting back to this issue, Megan, that in November, I think people are

01:25:27.260 starting to look and they're saying to themselves, it's there is no law enforcement in Seattle,

01:25:33.540 in Portland, in Chicago, in Baltimore, in L.A.

01:25:36.700 It doesn't even the L.A.

01:25:37.840 Law Enforcement Sheriff's Association said, don't come here.

01:25:40.980 And they're saying, you know what?

01:25:42.880 We don't buy meat anymore and we don't buy formula and we don't have a border.

01:25:47.980 It's not that it's porous.

01:25:48.840 It doesn't exist anymore.

01:25:50.200 It's vanished in the cell.

01:25:52.340 And, you know, when I talked to a person yesterday, he said, have you ever had a car dealer call

01:25:56.960 you up and try to buy your used car that's like eight years old?

01:26:01.660 And I said, yes, I have.

01:26:03.320 He said, we used to try to unload them on them.

01:26:05.880 And now they're begging us because they have no new car.

01:26:08.720 So I think there's a sense that everything is falling apart.

01:26:12.260 It's not a political hysteria or talking point.

01:26:14.940 It's a reality.

01:26:15.800 And I think the only thing that I can see is not a 10 or 20 seat pickup on the part of it.

01:26:22.980 It's going to have to be historic 50, 60, 70 seats to get sent a message.

01:26:28.080 And the same with the Senate.

01:26:29.640 Anything short of that, I don't see there's a way to stop this.

01:26:33.680 And it might be.

01:26:35.240 But, you know, the baby formula thing is a massive story.

01:26:37.740 It's getting undercover, especially on the mainstream.

01:26:40.540 But, you know, you're a young mother who cannot feed your baby.

01:26:43.500 And I think it's something like 75 percent of all babies are at least in part on formula.

01:26:47.680 The vast majority of babies are not breastfed exclusively.

01:26:51.500 You can't find it.

01:26:53.060 You can't find it.

01:26:53.980 They're like giving recipes on how to try to make it at home.

01:26:56.780 I'm sure every new mother's got tons of time for that.

01:26:59.620 And you can't you don't have time to drive, you know, an hour and a half to the other store

01:27:04.200 because you've been you've had limits placed on you on how many you can buy from this store.

01:27:08.300 And the administration is not really addressing it.

01:27:10.840 Like that's yet another issue that people feel moms, those, you know, coveted suburban moms.

01:27:15.740 Guess who that affects them?

01:27:16.860 Yeah, I know.

01:27:19.180 And why don't they talk about it?

01:27:20.700 Why don't they just say for this week, we're not going to talk about transgender sports, women's sports.

01:27:25.680 We're just going to talk about getting people baby formula.

01:27:28.900 And maybe next week we're just going to talk about allowing people to afford a cheap cut of meat that's not $16 a pound.

01:27:39.400 And maybe next week we're just going to tell people on the board there's not going to be thousands of people tramping right into your small town.

01:27:45.480 And why don't we just do that?

01:27:46.860 And the answer is ideology says, no, you can't do that.

01:27:51.040 We're not going to let you do that.

01:27:52.660 And he doesn't know how.

01:27:53.420 That's something that we don't talk about.

01:27:55.440 Yeah.

01:27:55.600 He doesn't know how to solve inflation.

01:27:56.980 He doesn't know how to get baby formula here.

01:27:58.380 He doesn't know how to fix the gas prices.

01:28:00.380 He doesn't know how to get your auto, your used auto car lot filled up.

01:28:03.600 He doesn't have the answers.

01:28:05.820 No, he doesn't care either.

01:28:07.120 His idea is that that's that's the deplorables problem.

01:28:10.120 You know what?

01:28:10.520 That's their problem.

01:28:11.200 I don't care about that.

01:28:12.360 I'm not worried about that.

01:28:13.780 I'm more worried about what the left wing tells me.

01:28:16.500 You know, I don't know who's advising Joe Biden, whether it's Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren.

01:28:21.760 That's kind of a parlor game now or Bernie Sanders or the Obamas.

01:28:24.800 But these people are are the hardest left wing people we've seen, I think, more so even in 1932, 33.

01:28:35.460 It's pretty scary what they have in store for us.

01:28:38.280 When you look at the DA, these Soros DAs, especially in L.A. and San Francisco out here, they don't they don't believe in the enforcement of law.

01:28:46.080 Everything is a critical theory, critical race theory, critical legal theory, modern monetary theory.

01:28:52.780 And it's all has one thing in common.

01:28:54.720 It's what's what works and what's practical and what's time tried throughout the ages is racist or it's anti egalitarian.

01:29:03.240 Therefore, we're going to destroy it and get some abstract thing that is unworkable, but it's politically acceptable.

01:29:10.220 And well, think about it.

01:29:11.180 That's dangerous.

01:29:12.080 Joe Biden was supposed to be the normal, moderate one who's going to bring back norms in moderation to the White House.

01:29:17.960 And Merrick Garland, same.

01:29:19.200 Remember, I mean, he was supposed to be this, you know, held up as this model of of moderation and sanity and reason.

01:29:26.560 And meanwhile, neither one of those guys can bring themselves to condemn the protests outside of the justices homes.

01:29:31.820 The doxing of the justices with their home addresses listed online at a time of extraordinary tension and danger for them.

01:29:39.840 They won't Merrick Garland has said nothing.

01:29:41.560 Yes. As you point out earlier, he can condemn the parents who are upset about radical trans ideology being forced on their five year olds.

01:29:47.920 But he cannot condemn the protesters who are coming after the justices.

01:29:52.320 Meanwhile, they're setting off Molotov cocktails at pro-life organizations in places like Madison, Wisconsin.

01:29:57.380 You've got lunatics like this.

01:29:58.660 Look at this. We'll put it on the board.

01:29:59.660 Women, I guess it was all women, dressed in the handmaid's tail outfit, you know, with like the red cape, went into a mass undergoing during the mass at a Catholic ceremony.

01:30:14.320 This is outrageous just to try to disrupt as if it's like the there are a lot of pro-choice Catholics.

01:30:20.040 Just ask Nancy Pelosi trying to blame them for the Supreme Court decision.

01:30:25.020 And people are saying, just let us worship. Just let us worship.

01:30:28.100 Let us. This is insane what people are doing.

01:30:31.120 Bombing, disrupting mass, protesting outside of the justices homes, yelling threatening slogans.

01:30:37.820 And Merrick Garland has said absolutely nothing.

01:30:42.200 And in fact, listen to this, Victor.

01:30:44.380 This is Jen Psaki's latest message on where the protests in front of the justices homes have gone.

01:30:50.340 Listen.

01:30:51.340 Is the administration worried that abortion rights protests may turn violent?

01:30:55.460 I think, to be very clear, the the protests outside of judges homes have have not turned violent.

01:31:00.660 And so I know that there's an outrage right now, I guess, about protests that have been peaceful to date.

01:31:06.380 And we certainly continue to encourage that outside of judges homes.

01:31:10.900 Really? Do you?

01:31:12.740 Yeah. She always used the word violence.

01:31:14.800 And what she basically says is that we love disruptions and we love these protests and we love this ad hominem attacks.

01:31:25.180 But we have this little line that we call them nonviolent.

01:31:28.160 Therefore, they're acceptable.

01:31:29.120 But in 2020, we didn't want any law enforcement.

01:31:33.580 We wanted as much violence as we can.

01:31:35.760 Two billion dollars.

01:31:36.640 Thirty five police officers killed.

01:31:40.420 Excuse me.

01:31:41.020 Thirty five people killed.

01:31:42.460 Fifteen hundred police officers injured.

01:31:44.520 And that was useful for them.

01:31:46.220 And because it created chaos and showed that Donald Trump was widely disliked and the country was in a revolutionary spirit.

01:31:52.440 And we had everybody from Hannah Nicole Jones saying, you know, this is a 1619 protest and looting property is not really a crime.

01:32:00.320 And Kamala Harris lecturing the country and saying this is going to continue and continue and continue.

01:32:06.140 OK.

01:32:06.640 And so violence is not they feel violence is not good optics right now.

01:32:12.940 But everything up to the point of violence is very valuable, but not violence.

01:32:18.420 2020 violence was very useful.

01:32:20.580 It suggested that the incumbent president was not in control and widely disliked.

01:32:24.560 And we were in an insurrection as they used it.

01:32:26.800 And they have all those CNN people who, you know, Chris Cuomo, whoever said that protests should be nonviolent, etc.

01:32:33.700 So they don't even they're not even sincere about their idea of protests and violence and they just don't want violence right now.

01:32:43.140 They don't want to go up one more notch because people, no matter what their politics are, when you see people breaking into a mass, as you pointed out, that's going to be 95 percent of the people are going to be outraged at that.

01:32:56.280 That's right.

01:32:56.840 And so they're trying to control people, but they want them to continue, but they don't want them to kind of don't go too far.

01:33:03.700 And they I guess they have a calibration of what's useful politically and what's not.

01:33:08.300 Well, they better be right about where it's landing right now, because we may have as much as a month plus until this decision comes out.

01:33:14.820 By the way, tonight, more protest plans outside of the homes of Chief Justice Roberts, Justices Thomas Barrett, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.

01:33:22.160 We'll have more on all of that tomorrow.

01:33:24.280 Victor, always a pleasure.

01:33:25.680 Thank you so much for being here.

01:33:27.460 Don't forget to buy his book, The Dying Citizen.

01:33:29.240 It is wonderful and so educational.

01:33:31.640 Tomorrow on the program, Chris Rufo is back with us.

01:33:35.100 Boy, he's been busy.

01:33:36.640 We'll talk to him about Jen Psaki saying, oh, they want to pick up war with Mickey Mouse.

01:33:41.740 Really?

01:33:43.080 He was the recipient of all those leaked videos.

01:33:46.220 What does he think about where that fight has gone?

01:33:48.380 We'll talk to him about that and what he's working on right now.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 11, 2022

Biden's Inflation Blame Game, and Elites' Empire of Lies, with Tyler Cowen and Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 319

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