The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Leverage Over His Left Critics, and Signs of Cognitive Decline, with Ruthless, John Ellis, and Dr. Dale Bredesen ｜ Ep. 832

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.940 There is a war breaking out on the left in this country.

00:00:18.420 On one side, the Biden family and some Democratic politicians like AOC,

00:00:24.000 who appear fully on board with Joe Biden remaining the nominee and the president.

00:00:30.000 Biden world remains defiant and many lawmakers are speaking out publicly in support of the current president.

00:00:36.720 But then there's what's happening behind the scenes and what might happen next.

00:00:40.960 A closed door meeting among Democrats is happening right now.

00:00:44.760 It's so secretive, lawmakers are not allowed to bring their phones into the meeting.

00:00:49.220 These are members of the House and there's also a meeting on the Senate side of Dems only.

00:00:53.460 Representative Mike Quigley, a Democrat who is one of the few to have publicly called for Biden to step aside.

00:00:59.280 told The Hill, many lawmakers are going to join him in his call for Mr. Biden to step down.

00:01:07.340 Eventually, one anonymous Democrat saying they're waiting for polling to get back this week on what their constituents want,

00:01:15.500 because, quote, we're just petrified of losing it all.

00:01:18.840 What they're saying is, and by the way, Quigley said, just wait.

00:01:22.300 All right.

00:01:22.660 He said it's going to happen.

00:01:23.920 They're coming out.

00:01:24.700 Just wait.

00:01:25.660 And one of the reports was that the July 4th holiday set back some of the polling data.

00:01:31.200 So they're biding their time right now so they can see just how bad it's looking for them.

00:01:38.260 They're worried about themselves in their House races and how bad the pull of Joe Biden downward is going to be.

00:01:47.300 And then there's Senator Joe Manchin, the longtime Democrat.

00:01:51.340 Now he's an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, a retiring moderate from West Virginia, who said this yesterday.

00:01:59.280 You just wait until this weekend.

00:02:00.740 There'll be more comes out.

00:02:01.720 I believe that we'll be able to have a better, clearer view of what's happening.

00:02:06.020 His health and well-being, I think this should be at everyone's first and foremost concern.

00:02:10.600 What?

00:02:11.620 What does that mean?

00:02:13.060 Wait till this weekend?

00:02:14.460 What's happening this weekend?

00:02:16.340 Is it a few more days of the poll results coming in?

00:02:18.940 Is that what he means?

00:02:19.540 Who the hell knows?

00:02:21.300 Why should we wait till this?

00:02:22.400 What's the magic thing about Saturday and Sunday?

00:02:24.680 Meantime, the mainstream media remains strongly, strongly in the Biden must-go camp.

00:02:30.740 The New York Times' latest editorial was strong and direct and just came out.

00:02:35.500 They are doubling down on their earlier calls for Mr. Biden to get out of this race.

00:02:41.000 They, right now, in even stronger terms, Democrats, quoting here, who want to defeat Mr. Trump in

00:02:46.740 November should speak plainly to Mr. Biden.

00:02:49.600 They need to tell him that his defiance threatens to hand victory to Mr. Trump.

00:02:54.060 They need to tell him that he is embarrassing himself and endangering his legacy.

00:02:59.120 He needs to hear plain and clear that he is no longer an effective spokesman for his own

00:03:03.900 priorities.

00:03:05.100 Later, the Times editorial goes on.

00:03:07.160 Mr. Biden, quote, does not seem to understand that he is now the problem.

00:03:13.000 So what can we expect in the next few days?

00:03:16.800 Joining me now, John Ellis.

00:03:18.280 He's a veteran of Fox News, where he ran the election night decision desk for a long time

00:03:22.880 and of NBC News and the Boston Globe.

00:03:25.380 He's now the founder and editor of the news item Substack,

00:03:29.480 an absolute must-read for anyone in the know in the political and media world.

00:03:33.500 John, welcome back to the show.

00:03:36.720 Good to see you.

00:03:37.400 Megan, thank you very much for having me.

00:03:39.400 So what do you make of this latest Times drop, which, you know, apparently they're feeling the

00:03:44.540 frustration that their first editorial board urging that President Biden drop out did not do the trick.

00:03:50.800 And this one points directly at Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and says as follows.

00:03:59.700 For those at the helm of the Democratic Party, including those three, the time has arrived to speak

00:04:04.820 forcefully to the president and the public about the need for a new candidate before time runs out for

00:04:10.840 other candidates to make their case to the party's convention delegates.

00:04:15.480 It says a whisper campaign is inadequate to the moment.

00:04:21.540 Well, I mean, the time is running down, right?

00:04:25.960 And all of this depends upon Biden agreeing to step down.

00:04:31.880 So the question is what how much pressure can be brought to bear on him?

00:04:36.880 And even if, you know, the maximum amount of pressure is brought to bear on him, will he,

00:04:43.560 in fact, you know, step aside?

00:04:46.720 It doesn't seem to me at all clear.

00:04:49.360 I might be wrong about this, but it doesn't seem to me at all clear that he is going to

00:04:55.060 step aside, that he's just going to run out the clock and he's the Democratic nominee.

00:04:59.720 And that's that.

00:05:00.500 Um, so one of the reasons that the editorial writers are as panicked as they sound is,

00:05:08.260 you know, so far Biden has been successful running down the clock.

00:05:14.060 And how long do you think they do have?

00:05:16.920 I mean, the Democratic convention is in August, but the actual nomination will take place much

00:05:22.520 earlier than the actual convention.

00:05:23.840 I think it happens at the first week of August because they're going to do it online and via

00:05:28.600 Zoom.

00:05:29.720 Um, so there's really only a couple of weeks in my estimation of how they could or when

00:05:35.540 they could sub him out.

00:05:37.140 Yeah, there's a, there's a little quirk, which is that the Democratic convention is too late

00:05:42.700 to meet the legal requirements for being on the ballot in Ohio.

00:05:47.660 So what the Democratic, uh, National Committee has proposed, meaning the White House has proposed

00:05:53.500 is that they move, uh, the nomination vote up, uh, to early August in order to qualify for the ballot

00:06:02.880 in Ohio.

00:06:04.100 Um, that fits as it happens, that fits their current plan almost perfectly.

00:06:10.720 Um, and you have obviously after you have the Republican national convention next week,

00:06:15.220 and then you have the Olympics.

00:06:16.420 Um, so there, there are two major events that help Biden run down the clock and that appears

00:06:24.540 to be their strategy.

00:06:25.480 I, you know, it's for you and I, it's absolutely incredible that this is what they're going

00:06:31.400 to do, but apparently this is what they're going to do.

00:06:34.140 Meanwhile, you have top Democratic operatives like James Carville, who for a while now has

00:06:39.540 been calling for Joe Biden to not run for a second term, predicting as follows.

00:06:44.240 He had, um, a piece out yesterday, an op-ed saying exactly this, and then he went on television

00:06:49.820 and doubled down, sought six.

00:06:52.580 He doesn't, he's going to come to the conclusion that this is just not a good idea and he's going

00:07:00.660 to resist it and he's going to listen to his family.

00:07:05.520 He's already, he's all the same.

00:07:07.880 We blame the staff, then we blame the media, then it's the elites in a Democratic party.

00:07:13.240 Do I look elite?

00:07:15.080 What the hell's elite about growing up in rural South Louisiana and going to LSU?

00:07:20.200 And this is all across the country and I understand it's all predictable and he's got

00:07:26.560 to go through this and he'll get there soon as opposed to later.

00:07:30.660 Sooner opposed to later.

00:07:34.100 Where's your confidence come from?

00:07:35.980 You know, Chris, I can't, I don't predict things.

00:07:40.400 I'm just telling you it's inevitable.

00:07:42.980 He will come to the conclusion.

00:07:45.480 People will get the message to him.

00:07:48.500 He will understand.

00:07:50.260 His family will understand.

00:07:53.220 Do you agree with that, John?

00:07:54.440 Uh, I, I do, except I'm, I'm not sure I'm right.

00:08:00.600 Um, it seems to me that, uh, that in order to get Biden out, you need the core constituencies,

00:08:10.220 the Democratic party to tell him to get out.

00:08:12.780 Right.

00:08:13.480 And the core constituency, the most important constituency of the Democratic party, uh,

00:08:19.480 are black Americans.

00:08:21.040 They are the very core of the Democratic party.

00:08:24.120 They're the most reliable constituency.

00:08:25.940 And, you know, if you, if you had to look at one person, uh, probably be representative

00:08:33.020 Jim Clyburn as to how the black community, black voters are looking at Biden.

00:08:39.740 Um, it initially appeared that Clyburn was, you know, edging Biden off the stage.

00:08:46.240 Um, I'm, I'm not so sure that's where he is right now.

00:08:49.720 Other members of Congress, black members of Congress have been very supportive of Biden

00:08:55.160 so far.

00:08:56.640 Um, but it, you know, it, in 1974, uh, Barry Gold, Senator Barry Goldwater, Senator Hugh Scott

00:09:05.320 and representative Jim Rhodes went to Richard Nixon and said, you've lost the support of

00:09:10.220 the party.

00:09:10.900 You have to resign.

00:09:12.300 And Nixon resigned.

00:09:14.220 And that moment has to happen on the democratic side and the next month.

00:09:20.800 Um, and Clyburn clearly would be one person who could make the march up to the white house.

00:09:27.460 Uh, Schumer Jeffries, I guess would be the other two, but I'm not at all certain that Biden

00:09:32.980 would listen.

00:09:34.300 Hmm.

00:09:35.320 The, um, the op-ed that Carvel put out mentioned Clyburn and what he said was, look, Clyburn,

00:09:44.340 um, spoke with New York times opinion columnist, Ezra Klein about a possible democratic mini

00:09:50.140 primary.

00:09:51.020 And Carvel says, I want to build on that.

00:09:53.880 This is Carvel.

00:09:54.740 I want to see the democratic party hold four historic town halls between now and the democratic

00:09:59.720 national convention in August, one in the South, the Northeast, the Midwest, and the West.

00:10:03.920 We can recruit the two most obvious and qualified people in the world to facilitate substantive

00:10:08.800 discussions, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

00:10:12.000 Think the Superbowl with Taylor Swift in the stands, the young, the old, and everyone in

00:10:17.080 between will tune in to see history being made in real time.

00:10:19.560 I would advise presidents 42 and 44 to select eight leading contenders out of the pool of

00:10:24.600 those who choose to run with Kamala Harris, most definitely getting a well-earned invite.

00:10:31.120 To me, this reads like a democratic pipe dream, um, because as you pointed out 30 seconds ago,

00:10:40.540 none of this can happen unless Joe Biden walks off stage left and all of his messaging publicly,

00:10:47.680 there's been some reports that behind the scenes he's, he says he understands he's only got a few

00:10:52.380 days to prove his vigor to keep his role in this race. 0.94

00:10:55.060 But every message publicly has been, I'm not going anywhere.

00:11:00.020 So what do you make of this plan that Carvel outlines that, you know, he correctly intimates

00:11:05.260 Clyburn expressed an open mind to at least a few days ago.

00:11:08.380 I mean, I think it's a great plan, you know, uh, it would be fantastic television.

00:11:16.180 Uh, it would be great for the Megyn Kelly show.

00:11:18.760 Cause you can talk about it, uh, after, after each, uh, after each, I guess you would call

00:11:24.780 it debate or forum.

00:11:26.840 Um, and I think it would actually be a very good way to find a new nominee.

00:11:31.760 The problem obviously is that, is that Biden may not buy in Biden is, uh, the nominee, uh,

00:11:39.700 unless all of the delegates decide not to go with them.

00:11:42.980 And there's no indication that that's the case.

00:11:45.960 Um, so, you know, it's a wonderful plan and it gets right back to where we always are in

00:11:52.080 this thing, which is unless Biden agrees to it, it's not going to happen.

00:11:56.280 Um, the weirdest thing, the weirdest thing about all this is we talk about it in terms

00:12:03.420 of, you know, political tactics and political strategy, but what we saw in the debate, uh,

00:12:10.780 10 days ago or 12 days ago was a man incapable of, you know, stringing a sentence together,

00:12:18.080 uh, lost, uh, the way he walked.

00:12:22.280 I mean, it, it was a, it, it was unbelievable that that person could a run for president

00:12:32.080 again and be actually be president and the, the discussion about these tactics and strategy

00:12:39.160 and so on and so forth sort of obscure the, the basic question, which is, is there anyone

00:12:46.420 in the world who thinks that Joe's Biden can serve effectively as president in the calendar

00:12:53.640 years, 2025, 26, 27, or 28?

00:12:58.140 And I, I believe the answer to that question is no, there is not a single person in the

00:13:03.300 world who believes that.

00:13:04.880 So the notion that he is going to run for president and he's going to stand up to the elites and he's

00:13:12.460 going to show the press that he's the comeback kid and all this stuff, it, it, it doesn't address

00:13:18.720 the fundamental question.

00:13:20.200 And given how dangerous the world is at the moment and as it always is, um, it, it, the

00:13:27.740 question, it seems to me would be, shouldn't Joe Biden resign the presidency?

00:13:34.320 Um, I, that party, I really don't get it.

00:13:37.280 And I, there are a couple, Ed Luce from the FT and a few others have raised this, but I'm,

00:13:43.700 I'm really surprised that, you know, the, the basic thrust of all the commentary is, look,

00:13:49.600 he shouldn't seek reelection, but it's fine that he serves out his term.

00:13:53.320 And I, I don't know.

00:13:55.780 I mean, Jeff Zients, his chief of staff is a fantastic guy.

00:13:59.220 Um, and I'm sure is very competent, but we didn't elect Jeff Zients.

00:14:03.480 Um, we elected Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:14:07.520 So I don't know.

00:14:08.940 I, it just, it, it's so weird to read this stuff every day, which I do for the newsletter.

00:14:15.980 Yes.

00:14:16.360 And you, you've done this for a career.

00:14:18.040 So put it in perspective first, John, like what a tsunami this is.

00:14:21.920 I mean, you've been in this business a lot longer than I have, and I've just been stunned

00:14:25.900 at the amount of blowback from the press that is there to support him.

00:14:30.820 They shouldn't be, but that's what their mission is to support him and support Democrats.

00:14:34.680 But it's on now.

00:14:36.240 And I think we both know why it's on.

00:14:37.800 They genuinely think he's going to lose.

00:14:39.620 It's not about it honoring their commitment to tell the truth, but just zooming out, even

00:14:45.400 from that point, put it in perspective, just the tsunami that he's facing and how extraordinary

00:14:50.800 this is.

00:14:51.440 Well, I, I mean, it's in the, in just in the, in terms of the Biden administration, uh,

00:15:01.440 we, I wrote a column, uh, a piece for my Substack newsletter in July of 2021.

00:15:07.760 And the piece said that Biden is too old to seek reelection in 2024.

00:15:13.780 Uh, if you look at a YouTube video of him in 2008, in the debate in 2012 with Paul Ryan,

00:15:23.740 uh, in the, you know, the last days of the Obama administration from 2008 to 2016, he sort

00:15:31.580 of miraculously doesn't appear to age.

00:15:33.880 Um, he's sharp, he's, you know, he's verbose as he always is, but he seemed fine.

00:15:39.540 He certainly seemed all there.

00:15:41.380 And I'm looking at video of him in 2020 and 2021.

00:15:46.360 It wasn't like I had like deep sources somewhere that were telling me that Biden's mental capacity

00:15:52.820 had declined.

00:15:53.680 It was evident by watching YouTube.

00:15:57.260 So I write this.

00:15:58.020 And the other thing was in the summer, but June and July started to hear, talk to people

00:16:03.540 all of whom said, gee, I'm not sure Joe can go beyond one term.

00:16:08.340 Uh, you know, he's, he's really showing his age.

00:16:11.420 So I write this, you know, piece for this newsletter and a lot of people, uh, attacked the, some of

00:16:18.120 the readers of my newsletter attacked me for, I don't know, you know, being anti Biden or

00:16:23.620 something.

00:16:23.980 Um, but it was evident to all of us in 2021.

00:16:29.340 It was certainly evident to all of us in 2022 that Biden's mental acuity, which is apparently

00:16:36.140 the word, the phrase we use now, uh, had to, it had declined and was visibly declining.

00:16:44.120 Uh, and throughout that whole period, the press simply didn't cover it.

00:16:51.180 I don't, it defies belief that all of those very smart, well-educated experienced reporters

00:16:57.760 covering the white house were surprised, uh, by a Biden's mental decline in the last 90

00:17:06.440 days.

00:17:06.800 It just, it, it makes no sense.

00:17:09.320 It's completely unbelievable.

00:17:10.800 Um, so they were complicit in keeping that story out of public discussion and it blew up

00:17:20.600 that whole complicity became apparent, uh, during the debate.

00:17:25.700 And now there's, there's furious fact tracking Biden has to resign.

00:17:31.200 Biden is, you know, is really old Biden is lost it.

00:17:35.820 So on and so forth.

00:17:37.560 It, this is not a recent development.

00:17:39.660 I see it almost as a covenant between the media and the white house where everyone knew

00:17:44.740 about his decline.

00:17:46.460 The media tacitly agreed not to cover it. 0.65

00:17:51.060 So long as the white house would not make fools of them would keep him behind closed

00:17:56.920 doors and shielded in a way that the big lie would not be exposed. 0.97

00:18:01.160 And the white house fell down on the job.

00:18:03.640 They agreed to this debate.

00:18:05.040 They put him out there.

00:18:06.320 He couldn't do it.

00:18:07.860 And they no longer had any choice, but to report on what we were all seeing.

00:18:13.000 But really that's secondary to their number one goal, which is to make sure a Democrat

00:18:17.760 holds onto the white house.

00:18:18.780 And once that was out in front of all of us, the panic set in that he could not do it.

00:18:24.660 Now, everyone had seen what was suspected or actually seen behind the scenes.

00:18:29.680 And they had only one mission and have to this moment, only one mission, which is to win

00:18:33.980 on November 5th.

00:18:35.460 And if that requires knifing Biden now, then that's what that requires.

00:18:38.580 I do want to show you something.

00:18:40.420 We we too took a look back early on at Biden's Biden over the years in much the same way you

00:18:47.760 just outlined and you put in your piece in July of 2021.

00:18:51.400 And it really is remarkable.

00:18:53.340 I'll play it here and I'll tell the listening audience what dates we're talking about.

00:18:57.260 But it's worthwhile to see it on YouTube for our YouTube audience.

00:19:00.280 After the fact, watch. 0.98

00:19:01.140 The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot 1.00

00:19:06.740 my sister, beat up my wife, take on my son. 1.00

00:19:10.660 Jack Kennedy, lower tax rates, increased growth.

00:19:12.680 Ronald Reagan.

00:19:13.040 Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy.

00:19:14.200 In America, we never bow.

00:19:17.380 We never bend.

00:19:19.540 We endure.

00:19:20.740 We move forward.

00:19:22.260 We are America and we are second to none.

00:19:25.600 Your party wants to go socialist medicine.

00:19:28.060 My party is me.

00:19:28.920 And socialist health care.

00:19:30.060 And they're going to dominate you, Joe.

00:19:32.120 You know that.

00:19:32.780 I am the Democratic Party right now.

00:19:35.120 Much more informed on the.

00:19:43.780 The motives of some of the political players and some of the beer brewed here.

00:19:54.080 It is used to make the brew beer.

00:19:58.220 Oh, Earth Rider.

00:19:59.680 Thanks for the Great Lakes.

00:20:00.940 I wonder what it's doing.

00:20:02.720 Don't mess with them in America unless you want to get the benefit.

00:20:09.680 It's right there in front of your very eyes, John.

00:20:12.400 Yeah.

00:20:13.120 I mean, it wasn't.

00:20:15.280 I did no investigative reporting for the column.

00:20:19.640 Let's put it that way.

00:20:20.820 And the other thing I think of is if, you know, if we say that there are 45 people who are credited to be in the Brady room, which is the White House briefing room, and let's say that Megyn Kelly is one of them.

00:20:35.880 And let's say that Megyn Kelly is thinking about doing a story about Biden's age, and let's say that one of the White House flacks says, Megyn, you can't do that, or we're going to do what?

00:20:48.620 But that's the part I don't get is that there has to be one or two reporters in the room who's when they're contacted by the White House or, you know, hectored by the White House to say you can't say that about Joe Biden's age or whatever.

00:21:06.220 It would seem to me that that would sort of spur them to say it.

00:21:10.500 So that's another piece I don't understand about James Rosen asked a question directly of Joe Biden about his age in the opinion poll showing that the American public thinks he's too old and he was banned from the White House briefing room for eight months.

00:21:24.020 Peter Baker of the New York Times, who's now reporting about the age issue post-debate, had a post talking about how the White House had been threatening, that they'd been calling, he had a mention about how the White House would call your editor if you asked questions about, you know, the, about his age issues. 0.97

00:21:44.860 And Matt Taibbi, very respected journalist, now independent, wrote a piece saying, complaining that they would contact your editor about an article you're writing is the equivalent of saying, where are my balls?

00:21:59.540 Just saying, this is a badge of honor for most actual reporters to get, you know, the source calling your boss and saying, please don't have her write that.

00:22:09.700 Please don't have him write that.

00:22:10.840 And one final point on the story, Senk Uyghur, a liberal commentator, said he had interviewed Sam Donaldson about all of his years covering the White House, storied ABC reporter.

00:22:22.500 And he said his editor at ABC, every time that the editor got a call from the White House complaining about Sam Donaldson, would give Sam Donaldson a raise for doing his job.

00:22:34.380 How times have changed.

00:22:35.300 The other, I mean, one last thing about 2021, at the time that I wrote the piece, the data was that 60%, I believe it was, 60% of the electorate believed that Biden was too old to serve in a second term.

00:22:53.820 And that number has gone up steadily to the point that AP and NORC, and this was last fall, their poll, and NORC is arguably the best polling organization in the world.

00:23:10.720 Their polls showed that 80%, 78%, of registered voters believed that Biden was not capable of, quote, serving effectively as president in a second term.

00:23:26.920 So it would seem to me that if 80% of the people in the United States of America think he's too old to seek re-election, that the press corps would be all over that story.

00:23:44.920 And one of the great mysteries of, I mean, news items comes out to six days a week.

00:23:51.280 I have political items that comes out three days a week or four days a week, depending.

00:23:55.700 You know, I read this stuff all day long.

00:23:58.420 And when I read the NORC poll with the AP in the last fall, I thought, well, that's the dam breaking, right?

00:24:06.740 80%.

00:24:07.480 I mean, this has got to be a huge story.

00:24:10.040 And it wasn't.

00:24:12.040 There was no follow-up.

00:24:14.360 And the only follow-up, actually, was other polling organizations, sort of amazed that that was a number that AP and NORC had pulled, started to ask the same questions.

00:24:25.380 And, of course, it confirmed everything that the AP and NORC found, although in some cases it was 65%.

00:24:34.640 In other cases it was 70%.

00:24:36.400 But generally speaking, two-thirds or more thought that Biden was incapable of serving effectively as president in a second term.

00:24:46.580 How that's not a story for the front page of every major newspaper in the country, I have no idea.

00:24:52.660 Yeah, except you do know.

00:24:55.060 So the latest Times-Siena poll shows 75%, I think it was 74%, continue to have those concerns, you know, greater in the Times poll at least than ever, post-debate.

00:25:04.960 But I wanted to pick up on something you said, because earlier, the Times now is all in on getting Biden out.

00:25:10.860 They're not the only ones, almost all the press.

00:25:12.580 But you point out something important about the black vote within the Democratic Party and looking at leaders like Clyburn, like Hakeem Jeffries, and they're going to be forced to make a decision here, right?

00:25:25.020 It's sort of interesting to watch the Democratic Party being split between their core base of black voters and white elites.

00:25:32.920 That really is their base now, the people who read the Times, the people who live, you know, where I lived for 17 years on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

00:25:40.900 They're going to have to make a choice if things remain as they are with those two groups split over what to do.

00:25:49.660 And what does history tell you will be the winning factor?

00:25:53.040 Well, I think, I mean, it really is the outcome on, if we can call it this, I'm not sure we can call it this, but if you say on the black side of the Democratic Party, the leadership, Clyburn, Jeffries, et al.,

00:26:12.160 if they come to the conclusion that Biden cannot, will, can't, the Biden campaign can't continue and the Democratic Party needs to nominate someone else,

00:26:24.860 their leadership will have, I think, a significant impact on what we might call the black electorate.

00:26:32.700 And if the black, on the other hand, if the black electorate says, no, you can't do that, I don't know that Clyburn and Jeffries have enough juice to say, we don't care what you think, we're just going to go ahead. 0.92

00:26:46.660 So that's the, to me, that's the most interesting thing to watch in, you know, in terms of what the various Democratic constituencies do.

00:26:56.280 The black constituency is by far the most important, in my view.

00:26:59.900 The elite constituency, which big money, college educated, you know, New York Times readers, et cetera, they, you know, they've decided.

00:27:11.980 And Biden has turned that decision into a kind of faux populist campaign against elites, which to you and I seems preposterous, but that's the tactic.

00:27:25.120 Again, what's missing from all this is, is he actually capable of serving as president now?

00:27:33.080 It's not so much whether he can seek re-election, it's about whether he's capable of serving as president now.

00:27:40.340 And until we get a medical examination that says yay or nay, which, of course, the White House is avoiding at all costs, it seems to me that's an open question.

00:27:52.500 And since they are avoiding it at all costs, I think we have to assume that the news on Biden's mental capacity is probably not good.

00:28:02.980 Yeah, a man who admits now he only works between 11 and 4.

00:28:09.380 He's a six-hour-day president.

00:28:11.660 10 and 4.

00:28:12.100 Sorry, 10 and 4, right?

00:28:13.260 10 and 4, six-hour president.

00:28:14.180 Let's be accurate.

00:28:16.240 He's got to go.

00:28:17.540 It was my math.

00:28:18.400 11 to 4 is 5.

00:28:19.360 That's wrong.

00:28:20.000 10 to 4.

00:28:21.180 Who says he now needs to not get any briefings or, you know, any taxing information past 8 p.m.

00:28:27.080 because he's prioritizing sleep.

00:28:28.620 I mean, tell it to Vladimir Putin, like we can only be attacked during six hours of the day and definitely not after 8 p.m.

00:28:35.820 because that's when our president has to go night-night.

00:28:38.060 And then your point about the black vote is very interesting.

00:28:41.360 If you look at what the president has done post-debate, where did he go this weekend?

00:28:44.680 Philadelphia.

00:28:45.680 Who did he sit with?

00:28:46.840 He gave two interviews to black radio hosts in predominantly black communities.

00:28:52.580 He knows what you just said, that he's got to shore up the black vote to take on these so-called elites with whom he's spent the past lifetime currying favor. 0.64

00:29:02.180 These elites, these mega donors, the New York Times readers, the New York Times op-ed board, what's so on, editorial board.

00:29:08.300 But it's on now, and he's going back to the core, core base.

00:29:11.980 And so far, that base has not abandoned him so far.

00:29:15.320 This week may tell us more.

00:29:16.800 John Ellis, what a pleasure.

00:29:18.020 Great to see you.

00:29:18.500 Please come back soon.

00:29:20.100 Thank you so much for having me.

00:29:22.580 And on that last point that John made, right, that the White House is refusing a cognitive exam of the president.

00:29:29.560 One has not been done, and they're refusing to have one done.

00:29:34.980 You heard that from the president himself in the Stephanopoulos interview, and the White House doubled down on it yesterday.

00:29:40.600 And what does that mean?

00:29:42.320 What can we glean from what we have seen and what information they have released?

00:29:46.180 Up next, a brain health specialist, one of the most revered, Dr. Bredesen, joins me live.

00:29:52.580 President Biden's team trying to do a late-night damage control effort after a disastrous press briefing where Kareem Jean-Pierre failed to answer basic questions about the president's health,

00:30:05.240 and why a Parkinson's disease expert made numerous trips to the White House over the last 12 months.

00:30:11.620 As we reported yesterday, the New York Post's John Levine first broke news that President Biden's personal doctor, a man named Kevin O'Connor,

00:30:19.560 met with a Parkinson's disease specialist at the White House in January of this year.

00:30:24.900 That specialist's name is Dr. Kevin Kinnard.

00:30:28.440 Then came a report from Alex Berenson that Kinnard actually visited the White House's residence clinic nine times over the past year.

00:30:36.700 We took a look and saw the same on the White House logs.

00:30:39.220 When asked about visits from Dr. Kinnard, the neurologist, to the White House, which Kareem Jean-Pierre had to know someone would ask about,

00:30:48.520 she refused to answer, citing security concerns, even though the doctor's name is listed on the public White House visitor logs.

00:30:59.900 Watch.

00:31:00.400 Very basic, direct question.

00:31:02.280 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:31:03.120 Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait.

00:31:05.460 Wait a second.

00:31:06.700 Eight times, or at least once, in regards to the president's specifics.

00:31:10.900 Ed, please, a little respect here, please.

00:31:15.420 So every year, around the president's physical examination, he sees a neurologist.

00:31:23.160 That's three times, right?

00:31:24.800 So I am telling you that he has seen a neurologist three times while he has been in this presidency.

00:31:31.500 That is answering that question.

00:31:33.720 No, it's not.

00:31:34.140 No, it is.

00:31:34.860 It is.

00:31:35.400 You're asking me.

00:31:36.220 Dr. Kevin Kinnard, come to the White House.

00:31:37.520 But I just, I also said to you, Ed, I also said to you, for security reasons, we cannot share names.

00:31:44.820 We cannot share names.

00:31:46.380 Now in regards to Dr. Kevin Kinnard.

00:31:48.060 And I am telling you right now that I am not sharing confirming names from here.

00:31:54.800 It is a security reason.

00:31:56.400 What I can share with you is that the president has seen a neurologist for his physical three times.

00:32:02.560 Three times.

00:32:04.060 And it is in the reporting that we share a comprehensive reporting.

00:32:08.380 Matter of fact, it's more than what the last guy shared.

00:32:11.360 And it is in line with what George W. Bush did.

00:32:15.200 It's in line with what Obama did.

00:32:17.220 I just want to point out, once again, Phil Houston, CIA, 25 years, created the Deception Detection Program for the CIA, used by the FBI, Secret Service, law enforcement around the nation, constantly points out that attacking the questioner, attacking the question, or convincing behavior are all signs of lying.

00:32:35.240 That's that's that's the case.

00:32:37.640 And listen, I can tell you from my time in the press, the press secretary is a paid liar. 1.00

00:32:41.820 It was true of every single one who held the job left and right.

00:32:45.960 That's the truth.

00:32:47.160 Last night, around 9.30 p.m., the White House released a letter from said neurologist, well, from said personal physician to the president, Dr. Kevin O'Connor.

00:32:59.480 And this letter tried to explain why the neurologist, Dr. Canard, the Parkinson's specialist, made all those recent visits.

00:33:06.920 The majority of the letter was about Dr. Canard's biography and his credentials.

00:33:10.580 It confirmed that Dr. Canard was the neurologist specialist who examined the president for each of his annual exams.

00:33:16.300 It stated that Mr. Biden has, quote, not seen a neurologist outside of those annual physicals.

00:33:23.280 It also suggested that Dr. Canard regularly visits the White House as part of his general neurology practice of helping support active duty military service members.

00:33:32.860 However, the letter does not go into who Dr. Canard was meeting with during those visits in question and why.

00:33:39.660 We know at least seven of the visits show Dr. Canard meeting with a woman who coordinates primary care visits for the president, the vice president, their families, and appointed cabinet members.

00:33:52.140 Why was she involved?

00:33:53.340 Is there a cabinet member who needs a neurologist?

00:33:56.340 Does the vice president?

00:33:58.160 Did she have some sort of information she wanted to glean or give about the sitting president?

00:34:04.920 It's not answered in the letter.

00:34:07.920 Joining me now, a specialist in brain health who was on this program back in June 2022 to discuss the signs of dementia and other brain diseases like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's in a special we were doing at the time around the president's health.

00:34:22.300 Dr. Dale Bredesen is the senior director of Precision Brain Health at the Pacific Neuroscience Institute and the author of the book, End of Alzheimer's, which is actually an amazing read with so much information.

00:34:33.300 You should get it irrespective of your thoughts about President Biden.

00:34:38.560 Dale, welcome back.

00:34:39.380 Great to see you.

00:34:40.740 Great to see you, Megan.

00:34:41.600 Thank you.

00:34:43.100 So can you just walk us through because Parkinson's is being speculated about and so is something with the word Louis and it's L-E-W-Y.

00:34:55.600 And can you just explain what those two conditions are just to kick this off?

00:34:58.560 And just I understand you haven't examined President Biden.

00:35:00.840 You're not making any diagnosis about him.

00:35:02.480 Right.

00:35:03.000 We're just wondering what those conditions are.

00:35:05.660 Yeah, good point.

00:35:06.320 And, you know, as you alluded to, the Goldwater Rule prohibits physicians from making an actual diagnosis without meeting with the person, examining them, et cetera.

00:35:16.880 So these two conditions are relatively common.

00:35:20.680 There are over a million people in the United States with Parkinson's.

00:35:23.900 There are over a million people with Lewy body disease.

00:35:26.540 And as you indicated, these are often wrapped together because they both feature a specific protein, which is called alpha-synuclein.

00:35:35.820 Now, you know, when we talk about Alzheimer's, we talk about amyloid and we talk about tau.

00:35:40.500 When you're talking about Parkinson's and Lewy body, it is these this alpha-synuclein, which makes up Lewy bodies.

00:35:47.520 Now, if it's predominantly in the brainstem and you present mostly with movement problems, that is Parkinson's disease.

00:35:55.820 If it's predominantly throughout the cerebrum, throughout the major part of the brain, and you're presenting first with cognitive change and then you may develop some Parkinsonism later, then that's called Lewy body disease.

00:36:09.000 But as you can see, they're closely related in their neuropathology.

00:36:12.980 So those are the two conditions.

00:36:14.900 And since you're talking about cognitive changes as well as potentially some motor changes, then you would probably be thinking about, you know, are there Lewy body issues?

00:36:26.600 But again, yeah, you can't make a diagnosis without evaluating the person.

00:36:30.580 And of course, it's concerning because there is so much of what we do to devote to patient confidentiality.

00:36:37.620 And of course, what's being asked right now is just the opposite.

00:36:40.780 I know it's different when you become president, right?

00:36:44.300 It's like there's just, you know, HIPAA and all the other privacy laws are kind of out the window.

00:36:48.800 So can you just explain the difference?

00:36:51.720 And I want to get into some of the symptoms of these things a little bit more.

00:36:54.480 But can you explain the difference between a neurological exam and a cognitive exam?

00:37:01.080 Yeah.

00:37:01.280 In fact, they are actually part of the same thing.

00:37:03.540 And I think that was kind of missed by by one of the representatives.

00:37:06.800 So a neurological exam includes a cognitive exam, but it also includes other things, strength, sensation, balance, all those things.

00:37:16.500 But it it absolutely includes a cognitive exam.

00:37:20.920 And what would a cognitive exam include?

00:37:23.360 Yeah, so a cognitive exam is looking at basically the different areas of the brain.

00:37:29.900 So how is your memory doing?

00:37:32.180 How are you doing with respect to your executive function?

00:37:35.560 How are you with your orientation?

00:37:37.480 Do you know the day?

00:37:38.520 Do you know the year?

00:37:39.600 Do you know where you are?

00:37:41.260 How are you doing with your verbal skills?

00:37:43.840 Can you read?

00:37:44.860 Can you repeat?

00:37:46.000 Things like that.

00:37:47.140 How are you doing with your spatial skills?

00:37:50.260 Things like that.

00:37:50.840 So all is basically testing the different areas.

00:37:53.480 You know, you often see these where people will ask you to draw a clock and put in the hands, that sort of thing.

00:37:58.640 Non-digital clock, of course.

00:38:00.840 And it's it's actually surprising at how early you may see changes in that based on the parts of the brain that are affected.

00:38:09.560 So I think, you know, Megan, the thing that's really been missed here, everybody's got their opining.

00:38:14.580 Everybody's got their ideas.

00:38:15.800 What's really been missed here is that there is a tremendous amount of advance in brain aging, in neurological testing and in age related testing.

00:38:27.600 Just in the last couple of years, things that weren't available before.

00:38:31.600 So the reality is you don't need to speculate.

00:38:34.520 There are specific tests that can be done very easily today.

00:38:38.860 So there are blood tests, things like P-Tau-217 and GFAP and neurofilament light.

00:38:45.880 These are new blood tests on the Alzheimer's side, and they're actually quite good and quite sensitive.

00:38:52.380 P-Tau-217 in particular is specific for Alzheimer-related conditions.

00:38:58.780 And so it'll even see it before you have major symptoms.

00:39:02.900 On the other hand, there are some new tests for Parkinson's and Lewy body.

00:39:06.960 And so there is one that's called SYN-1, S-Y-N-1, which is a simple skin biopsy.

00:39:14.180 There is coming a wonderful test where you literally can take a small amount of sweat and you can look with mass spectrometry at a specific pattern of molecules that has turned out to be closely related to whether you have Lewy body disease, Parkinson's or not.

00:39:32.820 So things are changing.

00:39:34.300 Of course, there's imaging.

00:39:35.620 You can look at specific imaging in PET scans, for example, and you can look at fluorodopa uptake, for example, in Parkinson's.

00:39:46.100 So the reality is that instead of all the speculation, of course, it would be very easy to to look at those specific tests and know exactly where you stand.

00:39:55.440 So if they took such an exam, any of the ones you just mentioned, and it showed the president didn't suffer from any of those, it would be very simple to do and very simple to release to the public to quell some of the fears.

00:40:09.560 Absolutely.

00:40:10.000 But they won't.

00:40:12.440 What they're saying right now is just rely on the neurological exam that was done at the annual physical back in February.

00:40:19.140 And this is how they describe it, Doc.

00:40:20.640 Tell me what you make of this.

00:40:22.240 An extremely detailed neurologic exam was, again, reassuring.

00:40:25.340 This is according to this latest letter we just got in that there were no findings which would be consistent with any cerebellar or other central neurological disorders such as stroke, MS, Parkinson's or ascending lateral sclerosis, nor are there any signs of cervical myelopathy.

00:40:42.000 So what does that mean in layman's terms?

00:40:45.660 Yeah, what that means in layman's terms is that the nervous system is intact.

00:40:49.680 So, of course, as you develop Parkinson's or as you develop Alzheimer's, you begin to have specific problems.

00:40:57.120 And what they're saying is that those were evaluated.

00:41:00.860 He did not have any symptoms to suggest stroke, Parkinson's disease, as you mentioned, myelopathy, which is just damage to your spinal cord, any of those things that can be a problem.

00:41:11.340 So that's certainly a very good sign and suggests that they they've looked carefully at the function of his brain and spinal cord and not found any problems.

00:41:23.480 So, again, not asking you to diagnose President Biden, who you haven't examined, but you saw, I'm sure, as we all did, what happened at that debate.

00:41:31.240 And the stiffness of his movements over the past year, the mouth agape, the sort of the glazed, waxy complexion and eyes, the inability to remember basic facts that we absolutely know he knows or knew, you know, the confusion, the inability to end sentences that he's begun.

00:41:53.480 And what I mean, could that just be aging?

00:41:57.320 Because Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has lifelong Democrat, part of the Emanuel brother, you know, triumvirate oncologist.

00:42:04.900 He came out and said this could be a neurologic or neurologic problem, or it could just be advanced aging.

00:42:11.980 People age at different rates.

00:42:13.380 Either way, he's kind of making the point.

00:42:14.840 I don't care.

00:42:15.780 I don't care what it is.

00:42:16.760 I know what I see.

00:42:17.700 But what do you make of those symptoms?

00:42:20.600 Yeah, again, I think that there is very little mystery here.

00:42:24.080 So here's the point as far as your brain.

00:42:27.020 So what happens is time is the broker through which all of us trade resilience and energy for wisdom and experience.

00:42:37.300 So we get more wisdom and experience.

00:42:39.500 And, you know, we're going to have to decide as voters, do we want that wisdom and experience or not?

00:42:44.720 It does come.

00:42:45.680 You are trading over your many years of wisdom and developing wisdom and experience.

00:42:51.440 You are trading some degree of resilience.

00:42:54.220 If you look at what changes from cradle to grave, the two major things that change, the two biggest changes are in your mitochondria.

00:43:03.460 Those are the batteries of your cells and their DNA develops mutations over time.

00:43:08.220 And then the other thing is your ability to respond to stress.

00:43:11.840 So you take a very young person and you're changing time zones and keeping them up all night and flying around and having back to back, you know, 30 meetings in a row and all these sorts of stuff.

00:43:22.020 That person will go through this.

00:43:24.540 You know, when I was an intern, you know, when I was in my 20s, I would stay up all night for two or three nights in a row, which was horrible.

00:43:31.900 I couldn't do that in my 70s today.

00:43:35.020 So that's that is a big change over our lives.

00:43:39.540 And so this is something that we as voters have to be aware of.

00:43:43.280 Do we want someone with more experience and more wisdom or do we want someone who who may be more resilient,

00:43:50.880 but they may make rash or less informed decisions?

00:43:55.140 And I think that to me, that is the that's what's going on right now.

00:43:59.360 And I understand. So, yes, what you see is stress related.

00:44:02.960 Some people would say that, you know, if I said something wrong, you might say Dale had a senior moment.

00:44:10.080 And this, you know, this happens to us septuagenarians if we are stressed dramatically.

00:44:16.280 And that happens to many, many people. We're seeing, of course, a lot of things with COVID and brain fog.

00:44:21.840 So many people who never had issues before now have some degree of brain fog.

00:44:27.260 So I think you described it correctly.

00:44:30.080 You know, it's one of those things.

00:44:31.960 And you're going to see when there is a tremendous amount of stress that it's going to be tougher for anybody who is an octogenarian compared to a quintogenarian.

00:44:44.320 Mm hmm. And certainly for the president of the United States, which is literally probably the most stressful job on Earth,

00:44:52.160 just given the stakes of what you have to deal with in that role.

00:44:56.040 Can I just I just want to play you one answer of his from the debate.

00:44:59.260 And I thought this one was very telling because it was on the subject of abortion, which was meant to be a softball, Dale.

00:45:05.600 You know, I mean, this is a Democratic politician who spent his life advocating for pro-choice policies.

00:45:09.660 And his answer was so meandering and strange, it left everyone, especially The New York Times, as I pointed out earlier in the show,

00:45:16.960 really scratching their heads about what is this? What's happening? Here it was.

00:45:21.660 It's a terrible thing, what you've done.

00:45:23.900 The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights back to the states.

00:45:29.580 Let each state have a different role.

00:45:30.960 Look, there's so many young women who have been including a young woman who just was murdered and he went to the funeral.

00:45:38.800 And the idea that she was murdered by by by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that. 0.99

00:45:45.680 But here's the deal. There's a lot of young women to be raped by their by their in-laws, by their by their spouses, brothers and sisters by just it's just ridiculous. 1.00

00:45:56.760 OK, first, he wasn't able to say what the trimesters were because he tried and failed. 0.97

00:46:02.860 Then in an abortion answer, he brought up a girl killed by an illegal immigrant, Lakin Riley, who was not pregnant.

00:46:09.080 It had nothing to do with abortion whatsoever.

00:46:11.500 And then he ended it by saying a lot of women are raped by their sisters in trying to justify pro-choice policies.

00:46:18.140 Dale, I don't know what was happening there. What what was happening there?

00:46:21.560 Yeah, I mean, I think he was bringing in the earlier issues from from Mr. Trump related to the immigrants and, you know, the people being killed and all these sorts of things.

00:46:32.560 So I think he was, you know, he's hitting on more than one thing at once.

00:46:36.240 You know, understandable. But I understand your point.

00:46:40.380 It could you know, could it have been more crisp?

00:46:43.000 I think everybody and I'm sure that as Mr. Biden himself said, he had a bad night, so I'm sure it probably could have been a little crisper.

00:46:51.820 But I think he was addressing the point that turning this back to the states, it was not a good idea.

00:46:58.800 You're being a lot more generous to him than than I have been.

00:47:02.000 I don't. Lakin Riley had not been brought up and no one gets raped by their sister and needs an abortion.

00:47:07.480 Literally. Yeah, of course. I mean, it's just of course, totally nonsensical that this is the kind of answer that has caused such deep alarm.

00:47:15.320 Well, you know, you said it yourself earlier.

00:47:17.360 This is the most stressful job.

00:47:18.800 If you look at the the famous pictures of Abraham Lincoln from just before his presidency started until just before he was assassinated.

00:47:27.380 I mean, this is a guy who was in his 50s and the difference is absolutely striking.

00:47:35.740 And of course, everybody has followed President Obama's graying.

00:47:39.960 It is an extremely stressful job.

00:47:43.400 And so, yes, you have to take into account how are you going to deal with stress and how are you going to set it up so that you get the best results?

00:47:51.160 I mean, I think, you know, again, it's a political question about the the achievements.

00:47:56.700 I think many would argue that the achievements of the current administration are quite impressive.

00:48:01.820 Of course, others would say, well, we don't like them.

00:48:04.540 That's a political question.

00:48:05.780 I don't think it is about achievement, though.

00:48:06.880 I think it's about it's not about the last four years.

00:48:08.700 It's about the next four and ability to do the job.

00:48:11.440 I mean, that's this is what's dividing the Democratic Party right now.

00:48:14.820 They say we love you.

00:48:16.060 They think that he did a wonderful job, but they don't think he can make the case effectively against Trump.

00:48:21.360 And B, nobody believes he can do another four years.

00:48:24.660 Even his most ardent defenders will admit that behind the scenes.

00:48:27.800 All right.

00:48:27.980 I got to run because I'm up against a hard break.

00:48:29.580 But Dr. Dale Bredesen, great to see you.

00:48:31.860 Thanks for coming on.

00:48:32.660 Thank you.

00:48:33.280 Take care, Megan.

00:48:34.580 All right.

00:48:34.840 We'll be right back with the fellas from Ruthless.

00:48:38.020 Don't go away.

00:48:42.200 Joining me now, the hosts of the Ruthless program, Josh Holmes, John Ashbrook,

00:48:47.300 and the man known to his minions as Comfortably Smug.

00:48:52.180 Duncan is at jury duty.

00:48:53.920 He threw the short straw.

00:48:56.180 This I'd love to see.

00:48:57.840 Who would pick Duncan?

00:48:59.280 That's what I'm saying.

00:49:00.500 Like, I just I figured they would say, oh, no, we know you.

00:49:03.520 You're out of here.

00:49:04.060 Yeah, you're out.

00:49:04.740 I mean, yeah.

00:49:05.280 It's a hard no.

00:49:07.560 All right.

00:49:08.100 Well, I'm happy to see you guys.

00:49:09.480 So something interesting just happened here on the program.

00:49:12.400 Dale Bredesen, who's an expert in brain health, and I love this guy.

00:49:15.300 He's he's genuinely brilliant.

00:49:17.520 I'm going to guess he's also a Democrat, was defending President Biden in a way,

00:49:23.480 saying what what this is about is a choice between the wisdom that comes with age

00:49:28.800 and the vigor and possibly brashness of a more youthful candidate.

00:49:35.160 And I I mean, I love Dale, so, you know, we didn't go hammer and tong, but I don't know

00:49:41.840 if this is wisdom, right?

00:49:43.900 Like, let's play this one.

00:49:45.960 Let's play SOT 38.

00:49:48.600 You tell me whether this is wisdom when he was looking for Jackie Spires, who had died

00:49:54.640 just before.

00:49:56.460 Watch.

00:49:57.800 I want to thank all of you here for including bipartisan elected officials like Representative

00:50:03.160 of government, Senator Braun, Senator Booker, Representative Jackie, are you here?

00:50:08.820 Where's Jackie?

00:50:10.700 She wasn't going to be here.

00:50:12.960 Yeah, she's not.

00:50:14.180 And that wasn't that wasn't yesterday, Megan.

00:50:16.540 That was years ago.

00:50:18.100 That was that was years ago that he did that.

00:50:22.480 Yes.

00:50:22.800 The Jackie Spires.

00:50:24.840 Wolorski.

00:50:25.540 Wolorski.

00:50:26.540 Jackie Wolorski version of Joe Biden.

00:50:28.800 Like he sounded like like Mike Mansfield compared to this version of Joe Biden.

00:50:33.500 Right.

00:50:34.080 And even then, yeah, it's not wisdom.

00:50:37.440 I think that's clear.

00:50:38.440 It's wild to me how much the left covers for this.

00:50:41.500 And we talked about this on our show.

00:50:43.660 I want to believe it's a nothing.

00:50:45.100 They just they do.

00:50:46.020 There was a front page article in The Washington Post that said that the age is just a number.

00:50:51.840 Wisdom comes with age.

00:50:53.100 They were basically apologizing for all of his shortcomings like two months ago.

00:50:57.000 So it was only about a month ago at The Wall Street Journal had that article where they

00:51:01.660 spoke with like 25 insiders who said that, you know, Biden's in real tough, you know,

00:51:07.280 health and they immediately got attacked.

00:51:09.980 They got attacked by elected Democrats.

00:51:11.700 They got attacked by other journalists.

00:51:13.400 And then the debate happens and it becomes, you know, completely blatant for the entire

00:51:17.200 world.

00:51:17.520 The guy is not all the way up there.

00:51:19.080 Yeah.

00:51:19.480 And I love the feigned outrage.

00:51:20.840 Like, oh, yeah.

00:51:21.640 Why didn't somebody tell us?

00:51:24.040 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:25.000 So on the on the age question, hold on.

00:51:27.680 I've got to find it.

00:51:28.540 I asked my team to pull it because it's actually one of the favorite things I've seen.

00:51:32.540 Where is that?

00:51:33.100 You guys, the the New York Times, like recently within the relatively not not so distant past

00:51:42.360 had an article about defending President Biden where I have so many papers talking about his

00:51:51.960 age.

00:51:52.560 Oh, wait, I found it as follows.

00:51:55.340 OK, I pulled this just because for you guys, this is from March of twenty twenty four.

00:52:00.600 Here's the headline in New York Times.

00:52:02.220 You're not going to believe this for Joe Biden.

00:52:05.340 What seems like age might instead be style.

00:52:10.880 It might be style.

00:52:13.520 And they compared him to late night.

00:52:18.780 OK, to certain artists at the end of their careers who enter a new and distinctive phase

00:52:24.180 of creativity.

00:52:25.560 I'm quoting here.

00:52:26.840 Sometimes they produce a succession of masterpieces that both fulfill and transcend the promise

00:52:31.660 of an earlier work.

00:52:33.100 Richard Wagner Wagner's final run of operas, the three major novels Henry James published

00:52:39.860 at the start of the 20th century.

00:52:41.240 The movies Martin Scorsese is making now.

00:52:44.140 So that's the New York Times in March about this president.

00:52:50.820 Amazing.

00:52:51.940 Amazing.

00:52:52.500 Like he's like, yeah, you know, it's a new phase I'm going through.

00:52:55.140 I just headed down to the villages and checked out the assisted living facility and feel like

00:53:00.060 that style is sort of befitting of where I'm at in terms of my leadership.

00:53:03.960 Just like Neil Young writing Harvest Moon.

00:53:06.820 It's just a different phase.

00:53:09.440 He's going to wear skinny ties now and forget everything.

00:53:12.220 That's his new style.

00:53:13.780 I mean, like how quickly they jump from excuse to excuse.

00:53:17.220 They're like, it's a stutter.

00:53:18.240 No, it's actually his style.

00:53:19.780 It's a style.

00:53:20.360 It's intended to be like that.

00:53:21.660 It's artistic.

00:53:23.200 Yeah.

00:53:23.540 So this is the same magazine that's now you guys saw the piece today where they're I

00:53:28.560 mean, the New York Times today is freaking out that their pressure campaign on him is

00:53:32.780 not working and doubled down with the headline.

00:53:37.560 This is the editorial board.

00:53:38.440 The Democratic Party must speak the plain truth to the president.

00:53:42.700 I'm going to read you some of this by the editorial board for voters who held out hope

00:53:46.760 that President Biden's failure to communicate during last month's debate was an aberration.

00:53:50.060 The intervening days have offered little comfort instead of campaigning vigorously to disprove

00:53:55.280 doubts and demonstrate that he can beat Mr. Trump.

00:53:57.860 Mr.

00:53:58.120 Biden has maintained a scripted and controlled schedule of public appearances.

00:54:01.440 He has largely avoided taking questions from voters or journalists, the kinds of interactions

00:54:06.520 that reveal his limitations and caused him so much trouble on the debate stage.

00:54:10.940 And when he cast aside his teleprompter, most notably during a 22 minute interview with

00:54:14.760 Stephanopoulos on Friday, he has continued to appear as a man in decline.

00:54:19.460 The president is now trying to defy reality.

00:54:22.420 Mr.

00:54:22.620 Biden has disregarded the concerns of the voters, his fellow citizens, and put the country at

00:54:27.040 significant risk since his feeble debate performance.

00:54:32.440 Multiple polls have shown that both Mr.

00:54:34.840 Biden's approval rating and his chance of beating Trump have markedly dropped from their already

00:54:39.400 shaky levels.

00:54:40.680 He went with the polls are wrong.

00:54:43.080 The latest time Siena poll showed 74, 4% of the voters think he's too old.

00:54:47.500 And they go on to say as follows.

00:54:49.040 Democratic leaders should not rely solely on the judgment of the few voters who turned out

00:54:55.340 in this year's coronation primaries.

00:54:58.900 So F the voters.

00:55:00.400 Endorsement of democracy right there.

00:55:02.000 We know better.

00:55:02.860 Mr.

00:55:03.240 Biden has to pay attention to the will of the broader electorate that will determine the

00:55:07.900 outcome in November.

00:55:10.480 And then we read this in the intro, but since you guys weren't here, I'll tell you what they

00:55:14.040 say next.

00:55:15.000 From the grassroots to the high levels of the party, Democrats who want to defeat Trump in

00:55:18.740 November should speak plainly to Mr.

00:55:20.920 Biden.

00:55:21.700 They need to tell him that his defiance threatens to hand victory to Mr.

00:55:24.780 Trump.

00:55:25.420 They need to tell him he is embarrassing himself and endangering his legacy.

00:55:29.740 He needs to hear plain and clear that he is no longer an effective spokesman for his

00:55:34.660 own priorities going on to call specifically on Schumer, Jeffries and Pelosi, saying the

00:55:40.820 time has arrived to speak forcefully.

00:55:44.180 The whisper campaign is inadequate.

00:55:46.940 There it is.

00:55:48.400 There it is.

00:55:49.240 Well, look, you come to the conclusion that they're not at all bothered by whether this guy

00:55:53.900 can do the job or not.

00:55:55.460 Right.

00:55:55.640 We've all seen this in Technicolor over the last three and a half years.

00:55:58.160 Nobody's been the slightest bit concerned about Joe Biden's ability to do the job, despite

00:56:02.580 the fact that it's quite obvious that he can't.

00:56:05.220 They're a problem.

00:56:06.240 And the reason that are up in arms at this point is because he's losing.

00:56:09.660 Yep.

00:56:09.940 They're very offended by the fact that they could lose to Donald Trump.

00:56:13.620 They make no mistake.

00:56:15.540 They would weekend at Bernie's this guy all the way through if they thought they were going

00:56:19.700 to beat Donald Trump.

00:56:20.960 I mean, that was plan A.

00:56:22.100 That was that was plan A. But I mean, quite honestly, they would have Benito Mussolini

00:56:26.960 on the ticket if they thought that he could beat Donald Trump.

00:56:29.400 They don't care about whether Joe Biden has any amount of fitness for this job.

00:56:35.540 The only thing that they care about is winning it.

00:56:38.300 And that has become imperiled since the debate.

00:56:40.980 And so now we're all up in arms.

00:56:42.360 They could have done this, by the way, the same time where they were writing the article

00:56:45.800 last March that you read from extolling the virtues of this new stage of Joe Biden, because

00:56:50.960 it was quite obvious then what was happening now.

00:56:53.380 Exactly.

00:56:53.720 And, you know, I think what this is, you know, a really great example is you're seeing this

00:56:57.980 kind of outrage from the media saying that like, oh, we were lied to.

00:57:01.200 And that article to me is just like impotent rage of realizing that nothing they say or

00:57:07.220 do, no matter what fit they throw, will matter.

00:57:10.400 The Democrats won't listen to them.

00:57:11.840 Biden's not going to budge because the New York Times says so.

00:57:14.140 And the thing is, is they did this to themselves when they became stenographers instead of

00:57:19.180 reporters.

00:57:19.980 They gave away whatever power they had.

00:57:21.920 You know, if you're not holding power to account, power won't respect you.

00:57:25.460 And that realization is becoming really stark to them.

00:57:28.140 They're like, why won't Joe Biden listen to us?

00:57:30.120 Oh, right.

00:57:30.520 It's because he knew he could just get us to do whatever he wanted for years.

00:57:33.860 Yeah, I think that's a really important point, Smug.

00:57:35.880 And I'm glad you brought it up, because one of the things we talk about on the show all

00:57:38.520 the time is that the mainstream media will not write a negative story about a Democrat

00:57:42.440 unless it's in service of a separate Democrat.

00:57:45.660 If at this point they are thinking that there's no chance that Joe Biden is off the ticket,

00:57:50.460 that they're stuck with him, that the other Democrat they're writing in service of are

00:57:55.260 these liberal ideas that they they huge so closely towards so that when Joe Biden loses

00:58:00.900 to Donald Trump in November, it's not the unpopular ideas of the open borders and the

00:58:05.980 high inflation and the horrible things that Joe Biden has been doing to this country.

00:58:09.680 It's just that he was too old to win. 1.00

00:58:11.960 So they are covering their ass. 0.99

00:58:13.480 Very interesting you should say that, because first of all, it is Jackie Walorsky. 1.00

00:58:17.540 Jackie Spires is fine.

00:58:19.540 But Jackie Walorsky was from Indiana and died.

00:58:21.680 And they had they ran an in memoriam to her moments before he stood up there and said,

00:58:25.060 where is she?

00:58:26.340 She. 0.93

00:58:26.640 Yeah, she just just terrible.

00:58:28.860 You just acknowledge that she's dead.

00:58:30.940 Anyway, God rest.

00:58:32.500 You remember.

00:58:33.020 So Megan, do you remember the guy that she that had no legs that he told to stand up at

00:58:37.260 a rally?

00:58:38.020 Yeah, that was also.

00:58:39.260 Oh, God, I love you.

00:58:40.260 God, I love you.

00:58:41.260 Stand up so people can see who you are.

00:58:43.060 Oh, God, I love you.

00:58:44.920 But the thing I do want to talk about your point, Ashbrook, because.

00:58:47.700 Because the polls were bad for Biden going into the debate, you know, the national poll

00:58:53.780 was tighter between the two of them, but these swing state polls were bad for Biden going

00:58:58.700 into the debate.

00:58:59.960 I mean, he's been running away to Trump in places like Nevada in the polls, which isn't

00:59:05.900 really considered a swing state.

00:59:07.500 You know, it has gone red in the past, but it's been a long time.

00:59:10.400 You guys know that you've done work out there anyway.

00:59:12.360 So I do wonder to like what extent like the lawfare campaign was failing polls for Trump

00:59:20.820 did not fall through the floor after the conviction in New York.

00:59:24.360 The Democrats efforts to kill him were failing and then they got to the debate.

00:59:31.520 And so how much of the backlash against Biden is them genuinely genuinely being horrified by

00:59:37.920 what we all saw, which was absolutely dreadful and alarming?

00:59:41.260 And how much is we just picked the wrong horse, you know, like kind of Biden saying, hey, you

00:59:48.440 didn't run a primary and I won and F off, you know, he's kind of got a point.

00:59:54.200 Yeah.

00:59:54.860 No, I mean, there's zero earnest piece of this.

00:59:58.440 I mean, look, we're not around Joe Biden every day, but I do watch the news and I do read

01:00:04.320 the newspaper.

01:00:05.000 And there has not been a moment over the last three and a half years where we have gone a

01:00:10.060 calendar week where there's not one of these episodes.

01:00:13.020 I mean, we put we open our show most days with a clip of Joe Biden.

01:00:18.180 It's a lot of content, right?

01:00:19.260 That's a lot of content.

01:00:20.560 We twice a week, right on schedule, 52 weeks a year.

01:00:23.780 We've had Joe Biden leading this.

01:00:26.060 It's always fresh.

01:00:26.660 And it's like now we're not like Biden historians.

01:00:28.860 All we do is sort of observe what's happening.

01:00:31.480 It's like the idea that these people are all just waking up being like, oh, my gosh, I can't

01:00:36.660 believe it.

01:00:37.000 He's actually not he's not doing well.

01:00:40.380 And I think also, you know, you make a good point, Megan, is that this is like part and

01:00:43.980 parcel of the realization of Democrats that their plan failed.

01:00:48.520 They thought if we can say the magic word convicted felon, Donald Trump, then it's all

01:00:53.260 over, landslide coast to coast, and that didn't end up materializing for them.

01:00:58.420 And so this is essentially like the last straw when they see Joe Biden is functionally inoperable

01:01:04.600 on a debate stage.

01:01:06.340 That was like, OK, there's nothing there's nothing we have going for us that voters would

01:01:11.460 vote for us.

01:01:12.480 They can't run their record, which is why they did the whole lawfare thing.

01:01:15.620 They don't want to say, well, look, Americans feel pretty bad about the economy.

01:01:20.480 It's war across the world under Joe Biden.

01:01:23.700 And he basically can't speak like that's not a very strong case.

01:01:27.920 Not great.

01:01:28.740 I mean, if you rewind the tape on it, it's kind of like a threefold campaign right from

01:01:32.800 the beginning.

01:01:33.360 How are you going to get Joe Biden over the finish line?

01:01:36.740 Right.

01:01:37.040 Which is not an easy thing.

01:01:38.140 I'll give him some credit for that.

01:01:39.380 They've got to look at that.

01:01:40.360 There's a puzzle pieces there.

01:01:41.920 But it was first it was elevating Donald Trump because they thought that he was the single

01:01:45.360 most flawed Republican candidate.

01:01:47.320 So they spent remember the speeches in Philadelphia that Joe Biden gave or any.

01:01:51.660 Valley Forge.

01:01:52.600 Valley.

01:01:52.880 Yeah.

01:01:53.280 Any chance that he had to sort of elevate Donald Trump in the hopes that he would win

01:01:57.760 a Republican primary.

01:01:58.940 So they would.

01:01:59.760 That's step one.

01:02:00.420 Step two is convict the nominee.

01:02:02.880 Right.

01:02:03.380 Run a full lawfare campaign.

01:02:04.980 So they could say he's a convicted felony felon and like add that because they're absolutely

01:02:09.740 convinced the center of the electorate that was with them in 2020 will be right back despite

01:02:13.580 their misgivings of a horrible presidency with the idea that he's a felon.

01:02:17.660 OK, well, that didn't work.

01:02:19.020 But then they were planning on marketing all of that down the stretch and hoping just, you

01:02:24.520 know, bland, old vanilla ice cream.

01:02:27.420 Joe Biden could get over the finish line because of what you thought about Donald Trump.

01:02:30.640 Once they've failed, they're in a hell of a pickle in some ways that the debate gave them

01:02:36.920 an opportunity that they didn't ordinarily put themselves together to try to do.

01:02:41.660 Yeah.

01:02:42.140 You know, and so that's why this conversation is happening in perpetuity is because they're

01:02:46.900 running a campaign that is destined to lose and they've got to try to change the trajectory

01:02:50.940 of it.

01:02:51.740 Yeah, I know.

01:02:52.740 It's like I feel like if you're an actual patriot, you know, an actual patriot, you want

01:02:58.040 Biden gone because you realize he has no business being president of the United States right

01:03:01.340 now.

01:03:01.700 He's just it's not the fact that he didn't win.

01:03:04.360 It's the fact that he is incompetent to lead the country.

01:03:07.980 Can't have a president who can only work six hours a day and even then doesn't know, you

01:03:12.180 know, anything about the core issues that are important to the country, never mind his party 0.56

01:03:17.200 like abortion, which he thinks is about sister on sister rape.

01:03:20.380 Um, so that's a no, but forgot about that.

01:03:25.540 He can't do anything.

01:03:27.740 He can't do it.

01:03:28.640 He can't do anything.

01:03:29.560 There was a, there was like a 2000 word Wall Street Journal article that posted last night

01:03:34.120 that had all these vignettes about him losing his mind.

01:03:36.680 And one of them, he couldn't come up with the word veteran.

01:03:40.480 He was in a group of like 50 people and he was like, what's the word for like somebody who

01:03:45.120 was in the army or Navy and they're like, veteran, he doesn't even know the word.

01:03:52.180 Like all that's going on.

01:03:53.820 And then you go to like the few remaining supporters of Joe Biden and they're like, well, you know,

01:03:59.080 what, what is he, what is he going to do to dig out of that?

01:04:01.260 Well, he's going to have to run a more aggressive camp.

01:04:03.840 He's going to have to get out there and be a, I'm sure he would love that.

01:04:07.540 I mean, that's like saying to Michael J. Fox, like, why don't you just run out and do

01:04:10.900 another back to the future?

01:04:11.960 Well, I'm sure we'd love to, but God would have other plans on that.

01:04:15.780 You know, I mean, that is what happens to Joe.

01:04:18.340 He is incapable of running a vigorous campaign.

01:04:23.220 Somebody ought to look at Jill Biden when she's not composing her own music, walkout music 0.99

01:04:27.940 at the White House and say like, what the hell are you doing?

01:04:30.640 Like, how would you allow someone you love to go through this?

01:04:34.000 Yes.

01:04:34.560 So they, um, there was a report yesterday that Biden in that meeting with the governors

01:04:38.620 declared, uh, over the weekend or Friday, we're done talking about the debate.

01:04:45.080 The talk about the debate is over in response to which I could only think of this thought.

01:04:50.400 It's 14.

01:04:51.500 Maybe you guys know it over.

01:04:54.660 Did you say over?

01:04:56.920 Nothing is over until we decided is.

01:05:00.080 Yeah.

01:05:00.520 Yeah.

01:05:03.840 Perfect.

01:05:04.480 An animal house.

01:05:05.760 For those of you who missed it, 1978 animal house.

01:05:08.300 I told the story last week, but my brother was only 13 at the time asked my mom to take

01:05:12.100 him because he couldn't get in without her as rated R. And, um, she took him and he actually

01:05:16.500 had to get up and move his seat because my mother was laughing so hard. 1.00

01:05:18.880 He was embarrassed.

01:05:19.700 It was one of the best movies.

01:05:22.380 So good.

01:05:23.760 The answers to all of our news problems, but yeah, so he's done talking about the debate.

01:05:28.660 Sure.

01:05:29.240 Okay.

01:05:29.560 That's fine.

01:05:30.120 He can say that, but the rest of us aren't.

01:05:32.220 And it's, and now it is a media pylon because every mistake he makes, finally, the left wing

01:05:38.360 press is paying attention to it.

01:05:40.420 Yeah.

01:05:41.080 Yeah.

01:05:41.460 They're paying attention to it.

01:05:42.540 But like John always said, I mean, it's because it's in service to this larger democratic

01:05:46.260 mission.

01:05:47.060 Yeah.

01:05:47.340 They never, they're never just going to attack a Democrat for no reason.

01:05:50.760 They always do it because they think it's going to help either Kamala Harris or they think

01:05:54.920 it's going to help Gretchen Whitmer or some other candidate to replace him on the ballot. 1.00

01:06:00.200 If they can't replace him on the ballot, I predict they'll continue to criticize his

01:06:04.720 age so that people do not pay attention to how ludicrous his liberal policies are and how

01:06:10.500 much damage they're doing to the country.

01:06:12.380 Because for these journalists, they're first and foremost, religious zealots for the left

01:06:17.920 and they preach the gospel of the left every single day.

01:06:22.360 And if anybody questions that they lose their mind and you're not, you're, you're simply

01:06:27.160 not allowed to question it.

01:06:28.680 So Joe Biden will not stand in the way of their ideology or anybody else is not going to stand

01:06:32.980 in the way of their ideology.

01:06:34.440 Yeah.

01:06:34.560 And don't underestimate the ability of a democratic voter to get back on board here either.

01:06:39.960 Right.

01:06:40.480 I mean, we're going through a period where it's gotten a little leaner.

01:06:43.700 I mean, the polls look pretty similar to how they looked before the debate, but it's got

01:06:47.600 a little leaner for them.

01:06:48.660 The spread has gotten, you know, a point or two more.

01:06:52.100 And there's this huge gap in the democratic side of the ledger of people just not totally

01:06:58.200 coalesced around Joe Biden yet.

01:07:00.380 But if anybody thinks that they're not going to coalesce, they're wrong.

01:07:04.760 They are going to coalesce.

01:07:05.840 They're good.

01:07:06.060 We're still talking about, I mean, they literally could weekend at Bernie's him.

01:07:09.620 They could literally roll him out with the arms and the legs and the big sunglasses.

01:07:15.500 And he was, he is going to get 48 plus percent in a lot of these states that he's counting

01:07:21.980 on.

01:07:22.560 And there are people in the media who are out there actively still defending him.

01:07:26.600 Like he goes on Joe Scarborough.

01:07:28.120 And if you watch Morning Joe, I mean, it sounds like it sounds like a conversation inside the

01:07:33.200 Biden press secretary's office.

01:07:35.780 So it's very likely that Morning Joe, the day after Biden holds the nomination, Morning

01:07:40.560 Joe's like, oh, he's a comeback kid.

01:07:42.440 We saw this with Bill Clinton.

01:07:43.720 Look at that youth invigorate.

01:07:44.980 He stopped all comments.

01:07:46.160 He's going to stop Biden or he's going to stop Trump, too.

01:07:49.040 I mean, to me, it's amazing.

01:07:50.180 Like if they actually do hold on, if he refuses to go and the Democrats choose to back him,

01:07:55.240 it is the truly greatest gift that could have been given to Donald Trump.

01:07:59.520 I realize nothing is assumed.

01:08:01.220 Nothing is guaranteed.

01:08:02.780 But who had on their 2024 bingo card the entire media turns on Joe Biden, knifes him repeatedly

01:08:13.920 for two weeks or two months, completely batters and bruises him right before the vote?

01:08:21.740 I mean, you could do it.

01:08:24.580 It's from ever like it was Trump who was supposed to be getting that treatment right now from

01:08:28.960 the media.

01:08:29.360 Trump was supposed to be in the media every day. 0.95

01:08:31.120 Convicted, felon, convicted, felon. 0.92

01:08:32.580 And instead, we're getting decrepit, can't do it, incompetent, cognition, all the problems

01:08:39.480 outlined by the Times and Politico and Axios and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

01:08:45.120 I mean, everything.

01:08:46.880 Yeah.

01:08:47.440 Yeah.

01:08:47.680 It's a black swan media event.

01:08:49.260 It does not happen.

01:08:50.600 Yeah.

01:08:50.820 And it only happens because Democrats are pushing it.

01:08:53.860 I mean, a lot of opportunity to do that before, but now it's a problem for him.

01:08:57.140 I think that the biggest issue when it comes to this campaign is at what point do you get

01:09:02.900 to a point of no return with the center of the electorate, right?

01:09:05.920 I mean, if you're looking, the reason that Joe Biden's like, all right, we're done talking

01:09:08.560 about that, is that they're going to begin to incur because of the daily conversation.

01:09:13.560 I'm sure you've had this, Megan, people in your family who are not political at all,

01:09:17.480 who you never hear from about anything in the news or political, they'll shoot you a text

01:09:21.660 and be like, my Lord, look at Joe Biden.

01:09:23.600 It's become a global phenomenon in information flow.

01:09:29.220 And undoing that with a certain segment of the electorate that he's going to require to

01:09:34.200 win 270 electoral votes is no easy task.

01:09:38.180 If I'm a Democrat, you wonder whether or not you're already at a point of no return with

01:09:42.640 that.

01:09:43.240 Yeah.

01:09:43.760 Yeah.

01:09:44.000 You'd want your party to be, or your press, to be hedging its bets a little bit more just

01:09:50.060 in case he refuses to go since he's got 99% of the delegates.

01:09:53.600 This just in, guys, this is interesting.

01:09:56.060 So we started the show by mentioning that the House Democrats are having a meeting and

01:10:00.200 supposedly the House Senate members or the Democratic Senate members will as well.

01:10:07.080 Just before, this is per Axios, House Democrats' Tuesday morning meeting, a smaller group of

01:10:12.800 swing district Democrats held what sources described as a despondent gathering with actual

01:10:19.900 tears.

01:10:20.740 All right.

01:10:21.500 These are the ones who are in the swing states where they'll lose if Joe Biden's too much

01:10:24.260 of a pull.

01:10:24.740 They're on the on the fence anyway.

01:10:26.660 The block of battleground House Democrats is one of the last firm pockets of a rapidly

01:10:31.680 disintegrating movement on Capitol Hill to get Biden off the ticket.

01:10:35.700 One described the mood as, quote, pretty much unanimous that Biden, quote, has got to step down,

01:10:42.000 adding, quote, there were actual tears from people and not for Biden.

01:10:46.680 One House Democrat who was in both meetings, the smaller one with the swing state dams and

01:10:51.360 the larger one, said, quote, most of our caucus is still with him, meaning he'll stay in, which

01:10:58.520 sucks for our country.

01:11:03.200 So this thing is turning. 0.98

01:11:06.140 It's starting to turn.

01:11:07.460 I don't know what Joe Manchin is talking about when he says just wait for the weekend.

01:11:13.180 I don't know what Mike Quigley is talking about when he says behind the scenes, it's even worse.

01:11:17.500 Trust me, they're going to come out.

01:11:19.600 The ones who are behind the scenes saying get out and they're going to say it in front of

01:11:23.220 the cameras.

01:11:24.020 He's already losing some donors, but not all.

01:11:27.400 So how does this play out, you guys?

01:11:29.860 Is there some big turn coming before the weekend?

01:11:32.000 And how long does he have?

01:11:33.900 I mean, if it's not Barack Obama himself and Hillary Clinton herself, Chuck Schumer himself,

01:11:39.840 Akeem Jeffries himself, if it's not those people coming out, looking at a camera and

01:11:44.420 saying, Joe Biden, you need to get out there.

01:11:46.860 You there is not enough strength to just sort of like do it behind the scenes and pitch a

01:11:52.220 story to the New York Times and then have the editorial page right with their writing.

01:11:56.940 Because Jill ain't having it. 1.00

01:11:58.080 Exactly.

01:11:58.500 And Hunter's definitely Hunter is a 100 percent not having it.

01:12:03.560 This is all.

01:12:04.020 Let me tell you, let me give you a visual on Hunter, what he's going to be doing.

01:12:06.960 All right.

01:12:07.120 We ran this video.

01:12:07.900 Forgive me.

01:12:08.300 It's not nice.

01:12:09.100 It's from Brazil.

01:12:10.060 And it's a woman who has taken in a man, a dead man, an actual dead man who she claimed

01:12:15.360 was her uncle in an effort to get a four figure loan in his name.

01:12:19.460 I'm sorry.

01:12:20.280 It's so good.

01:12:21.020 Come on.

01:12:21.580 But that's Hunter and Joe.

01:12:23.080 This is Hunter Biden.

01:12:25.140 I'm sorry.

01:12:25.980 Yeah, I'm sure the pardon paperwork is around here somewhere, Dad.

01:12:31.500 Here it is.

01:12:32.420 God, forgive me.

01:12:33.800 Before Inauguration Day, he's going to have Air Force One in China going just door to door

01:12:39.180 with Joe in a wheelchair, being like, one more contract for the road.

01:12:42.600 Come on.

01:12:42.780 You can do it.

01:12:43.540 I literally have my father sitting right next to me this time.

01:12:47.560 I actually do it.

01:12:48.260 Good to hear you on anything.

01:12:49.160 Selfies.

01:12:50.960 We talked about this, I think, gosh, must be like six months ago, Megan, all of us together

01:12:57.180 with you.

01:12:58.120 What were their options, right?

01:12:59.820 How would they get to a point where they could actually do something other than Joe Biden?

01:13:03.620 And at that point, we talked about the difficulty of moving around Kamala Harris, which obviously

01:13:09.780 there's a huge constituency that's represented within the Democratic Party that would take

01:13:13.280 grave offense if somehow the number two was not elevated to the number one in such a scenario

01:13:19.280 as the one we're looking at here.

01:13:21.040 I think that's only become more difficult.

01:13:22.620 Like we laid out some scenarios back in the day, but I think now you see guys like Jim

01:13:27.740 Clyburn, right?

01:13:28.760 Who's probably the single most important part of the constituency of Joe Biden.

01:13:35.000 He would have been the nominee without him in 2020.

01:13:38.060 He came out immediately and said, well, if it's not going to be Joe, it's going to be

01:13:40.940 Kamala Harris.

01:13:42.460 I think that's basically what they got here, right?

01:13:45.080 And then there was some leaking out of super PAC major donor discussions that I think maybe

01:13:50.540 Ben Smith or somebody had heard about, and I'm paraphrasing, but basically what they said

01:13:55.280 is Kamala Harris is scarier to the center of the electorate than a dead Joe Biden.

01:13:59.660 And that is a political reality that they are grappling with.

01:14:04.460 Like, yes, it's unpalatable to have Joe Biden continue, but they're so locked in in the

01:14:10.880 constituencies that make up the Democratic Party that they actually can't freelance a whole

01:14:16.360 bunch here, right?

01:14:17.340 So Holmes, do you think that Clyburn coming out and saying that about Kamala was intended

01:14:22.980 to throw a lifeline to Joe because Clyburn understood fully that the Democratic base would

01:14:27.680 not accept her as a sub?

01:14:30.160 I do.

01:14:31.300 It's like Duncan always says on our show, the best 25th Amendment insurance that Joe Biden

01:14:35.220 ever got was appointing Kamala Harris as his number two, right?

01:14:38.080 Because nobody ever wanted to see her in charge.

01:14:40.200 And I think that's part of the part of the and parcel of the case.

01:14:43.200 But if you're talking about African-Americans writ large and black women in particular,

01:14:47.980 that is a core demographic to the Democratic Party.

01:14:50.740 And there is no chance in hell that they can win states like Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

01:14:56.340 You just can't do it.

01:14:57.800 You can't even come close.

01:14:59.020 If that constituency loses some enthusiasm in the 2024 election, they know that.

01:15:04.700 So it's like a rock in a hard place.

01:15:06.260 I mean, there's really at this point, like the gurney might be a better option.

01:15:10.100 This is so interesting.

01:15:13.980 Like, I actually don't know what's going to happen.

01:15:16.720 I realize that Biden wants to stay and Jill Biden wants to stay.

01:15:21.120 But I've never seen this kind of media onslaught by the left against one of their own candidates

01:15:26.620 who's already basically been nominated.

01:15:30.640 I mean, he's got 99 percent of the delegates.

01:15:32.760 It's one thing when you can you can cut like a senator or a House member who's immersed in a

01:15:37.980 massive scandal.

01:15:38.700 That's one thing they've done that.

01:15:40.360 But this is something else entirely.

01:15:44.240 And it's universal.

01:15:46.120 I mean, the hypocrisy, of course, is like so on the nose.

01:15:50.420 The New York Times, which you say is, how did you put it, Smug? 0.98

01:15:53.520 They're in a rage.

01:15:54.740 They're impotent.

01:15:55.660 They're in rage.

01:15:56.900 Impotent rage.

01:15:57.780 OK, I love that.

01:15:59.080 They're in a meltdown right now, notwithstanding the fact that, you know, when did the her report

01:16:03.920 come out?

01:16:04.300 It was like a couple of months ago.

01:16:06.580 You are the special counsel investigating Joe Biden and his misuse of classified documents.

01:16:11.860 And this was their opportunity.

01:16:13.240 He came out.

01:16:13.960 He said I would indict him.

01:16:15.420 Yeah.

01:16:15.660 This he committed this crime, but he's a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

01:16:20.140 And I don't think that a jury would convict such a person.

01:16:22.520 That's it.

01:16:23.140 That's all he said.

01:16:23.820 He did not go on about poor memory that, you know, is evident in all circumstances,

01:16:29.460 or he can't put two sentences together, or he can't finish his thoughts, or he meanders,

01:16:34.840 or he can't stay on topic, or all the things that we saw, or he's got the mouth agape and

01:16:39.880 the dead, waxy skin.

01:16:41.200 Like, none of that.

01:16:42.140 None of that.

01:16:43.140 And this is what we have a soundbite of people on TV.

01:16:46.280 But trust me, we went back and looked at the New York Times.

01:16:48.740 They were just as bad in what they said about Robert Herr at the time.

01:16:51.680 Watch this in South 5.

01:16:54.500 The comments that were made by that prosecutor, gratuitous, inaccurate, and inappropriate.

01:17:02.180 Hackery by Mr. Herr.

01:17:03.900 You think I knew?

01:17:05.820 He's a tromper who knew.

01:17:07.680 You are not to put a finger on the scale of politics.

01:17:11.780 That report showed that Merrick Garland again made the classic Democratic mistake, which is,

01:17:18.580 I know, I'll appoint a Republican, a Republican partisan, to investigate, and that will give

01:17:24.540 us credibility.

01:17:25.240 This one who was appointed by Donald Trump wanted to make sure that he got his licks in.

01:17:30.900 Okay.

01:17:32.720 You managed to infuse Licks in and Jeffrey Toobin in a sat that you just played for the Ruthless

01:17:39.860 Variety program.

01:17:40.840 It's subtle, but I knew you guys would get it.

01:17:43.280 Thank you.

01:17:43.400 I will point out for the listening audience, though, that CNN was good enough to pan to

01:17:47.400 Toobin's hands, just so you know, just so you knew where they were.

01:17:52.000 A thoughtful gesture as a programming note.

01:17:54.640 Poor Robert Herr.

01:17:55.240 Where do you go to get your reputation back, right?

01:17:57.660 Smeared by everybody in the media, including The Times, which is now saying, he's got to

01:18:01.840 step down.

01:18:02.700 He's too infirm.

01:18:03.760 He can't do it.

01:18:05.060 They were disgusted about this one line in the guy's report.

01:18:09.060 They had opportunities to report on it.

01:18:12.360 They had excuses to report on it.

01:18:14.100 It really wasn't until two things happened.

01:18:16.060 The lawfare campaign failed.

01:18:18.280 The polls, I guess three things, did not improve.

01:18:21.100 And then the world saw in an undeniable way just how bad he was, that they were like,

01:18:27.340 we've got to get off this sinking ship right now.

01:18:30.980 The devil's about to get elected.

01:18:33.340 Yeah.

01:18:34.040 Well, I mean, look, this episode perfectly illustrates the lengths to which Democrats

01:18:38.440 went to try to conceal Joe Biden's actual health from the American public.

01:18:44.920 I mean, her came out with this.

01:18:46.060 They instantly criticized and like you knew that was coming.

01:18:49.220 But then down the road, House Republicans tried to get the audio to put, they're still

01:18:54.460 not able to get that out.

01:18:56.180 The White House just had presidential privilege dropped on top of that. 0.99

01:18:59.860 And so people couldn't listen to a deposition from the president of the United States with

01:19:05.360 a special counsel.

01:19:06.440 They couldn't hear it because the White House's extraordinary moves to try to conceal it.

01:19:11.380 And like you said, I think like four months ago, if you had listened to that, my guess is

01:19:16.300 based on what was in that transcript, everybody would come to the same conclusion that we saw

01:19:20.040 two weeks ago.

01:19:20.940 Yeah.

01:19:21.460 But now Democrats are stuck in a hot war behind the scenes.

01:19:24.520 And that's part of the reason why, Megan, you said that you can't figure out who's going

01:19:27.580 to be their nominee.

01:19:28.660 We can't figure out who's going to be their nominee.

01:19:30.560 Democrats don't know who is going to be their nominee.

01:19:32.820 They had no plan.

01:19:33.600 They literally are in a war against each other.

01:19:36.260 And the only chance that the New York Times and these members who want to get rid of Biden

01:19:42.140 have the only chance they have is if he has ninety nine delegates and Hillary Clinton isn't

01:19:48.280 one here.

01:19:51.580 Wait, here's I want to give you more of the New York Times after hers report.

01:19:55.000 Paul Krugman, opinion columnist, the disgusting furor over Biden's age when the news broke about

01:20:02.000 the special counsel's hit job, his snide, unwarranted, obviously politically motivated slurs about

01:20:10.040 President Biden's memory.

01:20:11.960 And he goes on from there.

01:20:13.180 I had an hour long off the record meeting with Biden in August, and I can assure you he is

01:20:18.740 perfectly lucid with a good grasp of events.

01:20:23.100 Flash forward to after the debate on June 28.

01:20:25.320 Here's his headline.

01:20:26.060 The best president of my adult life needs to withdraw.

01:20:30.880 No apology to Robert Herr.

01:20:34.060 It's just, OK, now I see the truth.

01:20:36.820 I mean, like we could spend all day doing this.

01:20:39.060 It's just so dishonest.

01:20:40.680 Can we spend a minute?

01:20:41.400 More importantly, you can see you can see the truth.

01:20:43.620 That's what he's concerned about.

01:20:44.800 Yep.

01:20:45.100 He knew that's his issue.

01:20:46.480 But then now the fact that we can see the truth and it's not running through the prism that

01:20:51.960 he had constructed to try to present a different reality, now it's a problem.

01:20:56.560 Yep.

01:20:57.080 Mm hmm.

01:20:57.900 And I want to spend a minute on the Wall Street Journal report that you guys just mentioned

01:21:01.620 that hit last night talking about the headline is how Biden's inner circle worked to keep

01:21:07.020 signs of aging under wraps. 0.98

01:21:09.560 It's just so ridiculous. 0.74

01:21:10.680 They were all part of it. 0.98

01:21:11.640 The media was part of it.

01:21:12.660 The Biden White House team was part of it.

01:21:14.940 And at Dollars to Donuts, this quack doctor was part of it, too.

01:21:19.480 This Kevin O'Connor, he's complicit.

01:21:22.440 That guy worked for the Bidens.

01:21:24.980 He was in partnership with Jim Biden.

01:21:26.940 And he's like Jill Biden's son, according to the former White House doctor.

01:21:32.700 And this guy is obviously running cover for Joe Biden. 0.89

01:21:36.060 His ridiculous statements do not assuage any of my concerns. 0.83

01:21:40.040 So we'll talk about that, too. 0.91

01:21:41.140 But here's the Wall Street Journal reporting.

01:21:43.660 Senior White House advisors for more than a year have aggressively stage managed President

01:21:48.800 Biden's schedule, limited his daily itinerary, shielded him from impromptu exchanges, restricted

01:21:55.440 news conferences and media appearances, twice declining Super Bowl halftime interviews.

01:22:00.220 All of our viewers know all of this.

01:22:02.360 You guys and we have covered all of this at some fundraising events.

01:22:05.980 The campaign allows few impromptu moments at a fundraiser with the president, even with

01:22:12.000 top donors.

01:22:12.620 They don't want his top donors getting one on one discussions with him.

01:22:15.360 The campaign has long directed donors to submit their questions for the president in advance,

01:22:20.480 including at an event this year in South Florida with only eight people, eight people.

01:22:28.600 That's like you guys telling me you want my questions for the show to be submitted in

01:22:31.800 advance.

01:22:32.820 You can't retain the info.

01:22:34.700 During a fundraiser at the Four Seasons in New York in June of 23, he spoke for five to

01:22:38.960 10 minutes.

01:22:40.060 The attendees were struck by how fragile he seemed.

01:22:42.800 At one point, he could not recall the word for veteran.

01:22:45.040 This is what you were talking about, Ashbrook.

01:22:46.940 He asked the group to help him find the word, saying he wanted to refer to a person who

01:22:49.820 had served in the Army or Navy.

01:22:53.440 When asked about these events, Kevin Munoz, a Biden campaign spokesperson, criticized reporters

01:22:58.280 who use anonymous sources.

01:23:00.460 So it's not a no.

01:23:02.060 And then we go to this.

01:23:03.940 The White House aides often erect barriers to keep reporters from asking Biden questions.

01:23:08.240 Journalists are sometimes kept dozens or even hundreds of feet away from the president

01:23:11.100 at events.

01:23:12.080 And I didn't know about this.

01:23:13.060 White House staff often blast music.

01:23:16.600 So questions cannot be heard during the president's exit.

01:23:21.800 When Biden holds one of his rare news conferences, White House officials often reach out to reporters

01:23:25.640 whom the president might call on in a bid to determine what questions they plan to ask.

01:23:31.580 We know that because we saw the L.A.

01:23:33.240 Times question on one of his note cards in the L.A.

01:23:35.340 Times got humiliated because they got caught doing his bidding, not to mention those radio

01:23:39.200 hosts over the weekend.

01:23:40.660 Some donors who had seen all of this up close and personally and were alarmed, kept their

01:23:46.280 concerns quiet.

01:23:47.640 You guys will get this.

01:23:49.820 Because they did not want to risk their access or influence.

01:23:52.920 No one wanted to jeopardize a chance to become an ambassador.

01:23:57.220 Yes.

01:23:58.220 Said a Los Angeles based longtime Democratic donor. 1.00

01:24:00.760 Disgusting. 0.99

01:24:01.760 What a game. 0.98

01:24:02.760 What a game.

01:24:03.760 They are willing to risk this country.

01:24:05.680 To me, the most shocking part of that Wall Street Journal article was, was it a G7 meeting that

01:24:12.460 the German chancellor was hoping, you know, had a meeting set with Joe Biden afterwards

01:24:17.120 to have dinner.

01:24:17.960 And then Anthony Blinken shows up and says, well, Joe Biden fell asleep.

01:24:20.580 He's asleep right now.

01:24:21.900 You think you could construct a better excuse, by the way.

01:24:24.740 I mean, I guess there's sometimes honesty is not the best policy, but.

01:24:27.720 Brandon is dark.

01:24:28.540 So for an ambassador, for an ambassadorship, these people are willing to risk having a

01:24:36.320 president who's not ready if a crisis breaks out internationally, a war breaks out, the

01:24:40.960 country's attacked, the guy's asleep by 4 p.m.

01:24:44.020 They're like, well, listen, everyone, keep your mouth shut.

01:24:46.400 Maybe we get ambassadorships out of this. 0.99

01:24:48.220 That's just disgusting.

01:24:49.440 Completely.

01:24:50.080 Yeah, completely.

01:24:51.100 Well, I think they said it.

01:24:52.200 They're concerned about themselves.

01:24:53.640 There was a campaign spokesperson on background, of course.

01:24:57.220 I can't put their name on it, but it was either in that article or another article.

01:25:00.240 Maybe they just tweeted out in response to the article, but it was basically like, ah,

01:25:03.120 this is like all nonsense.

01:25:04.740 Everybody's going to want their Christmas party invite next year.

01:25:07.880 Right.

01:25:08.340 Which is like the way they characterizes it.

01:25:10.840 It's yeah.

01:25:11.940 The access to us is significantly more important.

01:25:15.460 On the bright side, Biden will have zero memory of anything that was written about him.

01:25:21.760 I always say to my husband, Doug, because I have this attachment to the movie Willy Wonka.

01:25:27.220 And I'm like, you know, if I ever get Alzheimer's and I have to go into like the Alzheimer's

01:25:32.240 wing of some facility, just, you know, make sure that you get that.

01:25:35.860 And my, my other favorite movies all teed up for me.

01:25:37.780 And he goes, you're only going to need one.

01:25:39.720 No, it's true.

01:25:46.940 God.

01:25:47.400 I mean, it's, it seems like this guy, we're like a half step away from somebody throwing

01:25:52.420 a baseball at his face to see if he wakes up like Robert De Niro in awakenings.

01:25:57.020 You know?

01:25:57.440 I mean, this is just like, it's getting ugly out there.

01:26:00.760 I know.

01:26:01.560 All right.

01:26:01.780 Stand by.

01:26:02.220 We're going to take a quick break.

01:26:03.360 But when I come back, James Clyburn just came out of that, that meeting and what he's

01:26:08.580 saying now about Biden's future.

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01:27:11.340 Did you speak up in favor of President Biden in there?

01:27:13.920 I didn't speak.

01:27:15.020 What was, was there more people saying Biden should step down or more people saying he should

01:27:18.320 step down?

01:27:19.860 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:22.060 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:23.140 Was that the general consensus in there?

01:27:25.360 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:26.540 Everyone?

01:27:27.680 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:28.900 Was there conversation about Vice President Donald Howerson in there?

01:27:32.060 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:33.640 You're still a national campaign chair, right?

01:27:35.380 Co-chair?

01:27:35.660 Yes, I am.

01:27:37.700 Was that the consensus from everyone in the room?

01:27:40.820 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:41.880 Do you still support the idea of a mini primary?

01:27:44.840 We're riding with Biden.

01:27:45.840 Does this complicate the ability of Democrats to win back the House?

01:27:49.340 We'll focus on 2025 and we're riding with Biden.

01:27:52.480 That was James Claiborne.

01:27:56.180 Powerful.

01:27:56.740 That sounds super enthusiastic.

01:27:59.040 Well, what do you, what do you make of that, you guys?

01:28:02.020 Well, it's obvious that he can't come out and say that there was consensus.

01:28:05.480 I mean, we've seen all the reports.

01:28:06.600 There was actual tears being shed over the idea that they were riding with Biden.

01:28:10.580 But again, he's the national co-chair of Biden's campaign.

01:28:14.580 Like, what else is he supposed to say?

01:28:16.960 And like, I, you know, I just don't think they have a plan B that is workable at this point.

01:28:24.740 Like, the fact that we've been having this conversation for two weeks means that they are trying to figure something out other than riding with Biden.

01:28:33.280 Yeah.

01:28:33.880 But the fact that they haven't come to any consensus at all is evident by the fact that the newspapers are still talking about riding with Biden being a bad deal.

01:28:41.240 And, you know, so James Claiborne's in a rough spot.

01:28:44.220 Bill Burton, who used to work for the Obama campaign as a spokesman, had a piece out recently saying this is it would be a disaster to go with anyone other than Kamala.

01:28:51.500 And we went back earlier on her unpopularity and he was saying, imagine this, imagine they do do the mini primary and someone like, let's say, Gavin Newsom wins it.

01:29:00.760 But she's still in the VP role, right?

01:29:02.900 She's not.

01:29:03.280 Nobody's talking about balancing her out of the VP role if she doesn't win the sweepstakes. 0.94

01:29:06.760 And so now she's got to move out of California because you can't have two people running from the same state for VP and president. 1.00

01:29:13.160 That would be so great.

01:29:14.320 So the sitting vice president, who is a black woman and Southeast Asian, whatever, she's got to get out of California. 1.00

01:29:23.720 She's got to run as the number two behind the white dude in a party whose base is black women and who prizes identity politics. 1.00

01:29:33.940 I mean, maybe I don't think that's the kind of message. 0.99

01:29:37.160 Yeah, you don't think that's kind of the message that they're seeking to convey with 100 days left in the damn election? 0.99

01:29:43.200 Holy cats, what a disaster. 0.99

01:29:46.060 It was a very interesting thought experiment.

01:29:48.940 Here's more on this meeting.

01:29:50.240 Um, Biden backer, representative Juan Vargas, Democratic California. 1.00

01:29:55.040 It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. 0.97

01:29:57.200 Um, who's calling the president's critics, a circular firing squad via political closely watched house minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries opened the private meeting with remarks about unity. 1.00

01:30:06.480 According to one member who interpreted those comments as support for Biden.

01:30:11.040 Jeffrey's message, uh, according to representative Garcia, Democrat of Illinois was to stay together and listen to each other.

01:30:19.920 But one member who attended today's democratic caucus meeting, uh, tells who is this reporter, Katia Goba, um, the morale of the caucus is at historic lows.

01:30:31.240 When I asked if they would compare it to a funeral, like others have, they said that is an insult to funerals.

01:30:41.040 And finally, political headline house Dems, sad venting session yields no clear path forward on Biden's future.

01:30:52.840 Oh my God.

01:30:54.280 They must be in therapy daily.

01:30:56.800 I would be really curious to S to see if Jimmy Carter is watching the news on this because in 1980 live option, there was a senator who, who, who, there was a senator who's who a Democrat who told Jimmy Carter,

01:31:11.040 that he couldn't win and led a charge to try to replace him, that senator was Joe Biden.

01:31:14.520 Oh.

01:31:15.520 Oh.

01:31:16.520 So I bet Jimmy Carter is watching with popcorn every night too.

01:31:19.000 Smug with history.

01:31:20.000 He's like, thank God I made it. 1.00

01:31:21.000 He was like, let me hold on to this, hold on until the election day to watch this asshole lose. 1.00

01:31:25.600 And he's like, that calls for another bag of peanuts and a peach. 1.00

01:31:28.600 Yeah.

01:31:29.600 Honestly, Jimmy Carter might be in better cognitive shape than Joe Biden right now.

01:31:33.600 Honestly, honestly, the thing that I, that I find just this whole episode just makes me angry.

01:31:41.800 I should be more cynical than this, but it does still make me angry is the idea that they've had unprecedented unity within the Democratic conference.

01:31:47.760 Right.

01:31:48.280 There wasn't a single one of them that took a look at the inflation reduction act that summarily increased inflation on the American people and increase the suffering of their constituents.

01:31:57.720 There wasn't a single one of them that popped up and said, like, maybe this isn't a good idea.

01:32:02.080 Even when the results became evident, they never wanted to revisit it because that had total unity.

01:32:07.960 But as soon as their political prospects are damaged, oh, we have actual tears.

01:32:13.040 Yeah.

01:32:14.040 Actually, not a single tear shed for your constituents, but like the narcissism and the cynicism that is today's Democratic Party has given grave concern over the fact they might not be able to keep their jobs.

01:32:26.080 That's exactly it.

01:32:26.960 That's exactly it.

01:32:27.920 And now we're all going to have to pretend, I guess, that we believe this medical doctor from the White House, that the Alzheimer guy or the Parkinson's guy, he only ever examined Biden on his annual physical.

01:32:38.840 And all those other visits were for some unnamed other person at the White House who they will not give us any information about.

01:32:45.480 And it doesn't matter that he was actually meeting with this particular woman who coordinates primary care visits for the president, the vice president, their families and appointed cabinet members.

01:32:56.800 Just pay no attention to any of that.

01:32:58.680 We swear it wasn't for Joe Biden.

01:33:00.760 And they won't answer whether that when this Alzheimer's or Parkinson's doctor came, he was consulting with the main doctor, Kevin O'Connor, about President Biden.

01:33:09.540 Even though the vast majority of the visits followed a very public incident with President Biden showing cognitive decline, they won't answer any.

01:33:17.340 We're supposed to just accept this doctor letter like he's fine.

01:33:21.020 And meanwhile, I'll give credit to who is it, Politico, who puts this in its reporting.

01:33:27.100 Experts in presidential health and its long history of medical cover ups said the close personal bonds between the Bidens and this Dr. O'Connor, that's the main doctor, intensified the inherent conflicts in relying on this White House position to accurately tell us anything.

01:33:40.980 Burt Park, author of The Impact of Illness on World Leaders and an Advocate for Independent Oversight of President's Health, called the Biden family bonds one of the many concerns about relying on O'Connor to publicly disclose serious medical issues.

01:33:51.060 But we cannot depend on the presidential physician to come clean. 0.92

01:33:54.280 That's a fool's game.

01:33:55.680 And then this from Jacob Apple, professor at the Icahn School of Medicine in New York, who has studied the political dilemmas posed by the president's health, saying the members of the public are fooling themselves if they believe the president's doctor is there to keep them fully informed. 0.87

01:34:09.060 And also pointing out HIPAA forbids physicians from disclosing medical information that a patient wants to keep secret.

01:34:17.920 All Joe Biden has to say is we're not releasing anything about cognitive issues and these physicians hands are tied.

01:34:26.940 And yet we're supposed to just take this little letter and say, OK, I guess he's fine.

01:34:32.060 Yeah, it was really interesting.

01:34:35.000 He had Ronnie Jackson, who's currently a congressman, was previously the White House doctor.

01:34:39.700 Immediately after the support came out, he said, well, this is absolute bunk, because if it was just two doctors consulting and not an actual medical checkup, that would have taken place in the EEOB.

01:34:49.220 This this doctor was specifically allowed access into the White House residence, which is not where you go unless you're checking in on the president.

01:34:56.060 That's good info. That makes perfect sense. There are some weird questions with this mug.

01:35:00.740 Thank you for raising that, because Kelly McGuire, who took a look into this for us and she's very smart.

01:35:06.160 She doesn't make mistakes, was pointing out that the president's doctor heads up the White House medical unit, which includes about 30 medical personnel and is available for medical care at all hours of the day.

01:35:19.880 OK, there's an exam room on the ground floor of the White House residence located next to the map room, as well as a larger set of offices in the EEOB.

01:35:26.720 Now, she says those who receive care include the president, his immediate family, the vice president, White House staff members and, if necessary, foreign dignitaries and tourists.

01:35:35.480 Well, we know it wasn't a foreign dignitary or tourist getting. I mean, come on.

01:35:38.200 Well, she points out that each of the neurologist visits had him go to the residence clinic and we've been unable to determine if that specific area is meant for just Biden and his family.

01:35:49.800 But you're saying that that it is, according to Ronnie Jackson, the previous White House doctor.

01:35:57.100 Yeah, I mean, that's just. Yeah, I mean, it's it's tough for them because they keep getting caught in their lives.

01:36:02.360 It used to have like they had like a month or two before the lies unraveled and now it's within minutes.

01:36:08.660 We've had this like ongoing joke about like what is the most difficult job in the White House?

01:36:14.480 Is it the bracket man who tries to correct the transcripts?

01:36:17.240 Is it the advanced person who has to put teleprompters up for a seating of eight people?

01:36:21.660 Or I'm now convinced it might be the attending on-call physician for Joe Biden.

01:36:27.100 Talk about a taxing job. 0.92

01:36:29.060 Oh, it didn't happen. I mean, you just memory hole at all didn't happen to say it didn't happen.

01:36:35.960 I haven't been authorized. And then it's all well and good until your client, your patient agrees to do a presidential debate and has a complete meltdown in front of the American people.

01:36:45.500 Look, guys, all I think is I don't know at this point whether Biden can be forced out.

01:36:50.240 I think this is an absolute political calamity for the Democrats.

01:36:54.760 I think Biden is, as Maureen Dowd put it, being incredibly selfish and short sighted.

01:37:02.080 And I do think this is boiling down at this point, as our first guest, John Ellis, said to a fight between the white elites who read The New York Times and the core black constituency that makes up the base of the Democrat Party.

01:37:16.460 But who will win? Who will side with Biden and who won't?

01:37:21.560 Who will have the ultimate power? The next coming days will tell.

01:37:24.900 Guys, great to see you. See you very soon.

01:37:26.540 Great to see you. Absolutely. Thanks, Megan.

01:37:28.920 All right. All the best. Tomorrow, Glenn Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard.

01:37:33.620 That ought to be fun.

01:37:36.580 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:37:38.460 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 09, 2024

Biden's Leverage Over His Left Critics, and Signs of Cognitive Decline, with Ruthless, John Ellis, and Dr. Dale Bredesen ｜ Ep. 832

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