The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's New Cannibal Lie, Trump Jurors Bounced, and NPR's Decline, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty ｜ Ep. 770

00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal

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00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?

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00:00:14.880 Did she pay full price?

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.540 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.140 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.760 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.220 The trial of former President Donald Trump

00:00:46.840 has resumed in New York City,

00:00:48.580 and one of the seven jurors already selected

00:00:52.600 has since been dismissed this morning.

00:00:56.160 Now, another one may be about to go as well.

00:00:58.120 This particular juror said,

00:01:00.000 on second thought,

00:01:01.260 she can't be fair and impartial. 0.99

00:01:03.760 It was the oncology nurse we talked about yesterday,

00:01:06.300 and she's also worried about being identified

00:01:09.420 as someone in the jury,

00:01:10.500 leading the judge to scold the media

00:01:12.720 for revealing too much to the public.

00:01:15.160 You work for us, sir.

00:01:17.820 Sorry, but this is our trial.

00:01:19.960 It's not your trial.

00:01:21.420 You may be the court overseer.

00:01:23.660 You may be the judge,

00:01:24.340 but you work for me, basically.

00:01:26.260 So I don't want to hear it.

00:01:28.000 This is open to the public,

00:01:29.220 and they're not reporting the jurors' names.

00:01:31.680 And now he's upset because one of the jurors said,

00:01:33.500 I can be identified.

00:01:34.220 She's lucky she has any cloak of anonymity around her at all.

00:01:37.180 That's not normally how we do juries. 0.97

00:01:39.080 This is ridiculous.

00:01:39.900 Anyway, she's gone.

00:01:41.860 And now we're down to just six,

00:01:43.760 and it looks like we're about to lose another one,

00:01:45.740 and I'll tell you who it is

00:01:46.680 as the jury selection continues.

00:01:49.220 A lot to get to here on NR Day,

00:01:51.500 National Review on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:53.780 Joining me today,

00:01:54.800 Charles C.W. Cook,

00:01:56.160 host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast,

00:01:58.300 and Jim Garrity,

00:01:59.440 co-host of the Three Martini Lunch podcast.

00:02:02.220 Welcome back, guys.

00:02:05.300 Great to have you.

00:02:05.940 Great to be with you, man.

00:02:07.240 Okay, do you believe this?

00:02:08.300 Just to kick it off,

00:02:09.740 the judge admonishing the media

00:02:12.320 about reporting too many details about these jurors.

00:02:16.420 They're not reporting names.

00:02:18.060 They're reporting things like general age,

00:02:21.740 what level of college education,

00:02:24.200 what newspapers or news feeds they follow,

00:02:28.100 and employers.

00:02:29.880 That's what they're reporting,

00:02:30.900 and family status.

00:02:32.200 Are they married?

00:02:32.720 Do they have kids?

00:02:33.560 This is all fair game,

00:02:34.740 and now the judge is telling the media

00:02:37.380 they're not allowed to report employers anymore,

00:02:41.000 and you know what?

00:02:42.720 This is all a level of anonymity

00:02:45.160 that your average juror doesn't get anyway.

00:02:47.400 These are public proceedings.

00:02:48.900 This judge, I think, has gone too far,

00:02:51.200 and he's basically trying to shame the media,

00:02:53.900 saying, come on, guys.

00:02:55.280 He's like, come on.

00:02:56.500 You really need to use your discretion

00:02:58.660 about what you're reporting,

00:03:01.200 you're releasing too much information.

00:03:02.440 This is a free and open court proceeding

00:03:04.880 that the media is allowed to report

00:03:07.240 what they want on,

00:03:08.620 and the judge did not limit place of employment,

00:03:11.840 so now he's regretting that.

00:03:13.600 That's number one,

00:03:14.620 and then I'll get to the second juror

00:03:16.300 and why he may be going,

00:03:17.620 but let me start with you, Jim,

00:03:19.160 because we haven't seen you in a long time.

00:03:20.440 Hello.

00:03:20.880 Welcome.

00:03:21.180 Good to see you.

00:03:21.960 What do you make of it?

00:03:23.880 Good to see you, Megan.

00:03:24.420 Well, all of these things are being discussed

00:03:26.980 out loud in court, correct?

00:03:29.780 Yes.

00:03:29.900 Like when the jurors are being questioned?

00:03:31.500 So this is all part of the official transcript,

00:03:33.460 which is all, you know,

00:03:34.460 everything in a court transcript

00:03:35.820 is public, open to the public.

00:03:39.500 Occasionally, you'll find a judge

00:03:40.640 who will, you know,

00:03:41.380 bar something from public, you know,

00:03:43.300 discourse because of, you know,

00:03:44.920 national security purposes,

00:03:46.320 or, you know,

00:03:47.220 if there was some sort of reason

00:03:48.120 where if you were mentioning someone,

00:03:50.240 Salman Rushdie's home address

00:03:51.720 would be the sort of thing

00:03:52.580 I could understand a judge saying,

00:03:54.160 no, you should not be putting that out

00:03:55.280 into the public domain.

00:03:56.680 But all of this,

00:03:58.300 if you're talking about it in court,

00:04:00.320 it's very odd to see a judge say,

00:04:02.220 oh, we can talk about this here

00:04:03.440 in a room full of reporters.

00:04:05.140 And I imagine,

00:04:06.160 I imagine space is limited,

00:04:07.300 but, you know,

00:04:08.020 the public could, you know,

00:04:08.980 public can sit in on trials

00:04:10.340 almost all the time,

00:04:12.200 but it can't be recorded

00:04:13.200 in a newspaper the next day.

00:04:14.580 It can't be mentioned on television

00:04:15.620 the next day or radio

00:04:16.640 or a podcast or something like that.

00:04:18.160 That is a very fine distinction to make

00:04:20.300 and a very bizarre distinction to make.

00:04:21.820 And I suppose if he'd said,

00:04:22.940 you know what,

00:04:23.920 you know,

00:04:24.200 if you say to someone works for IBM,

00:04:26.260 well, that really doesn't

00:04:26.960 narrow it down very much.

00:04:28.340 Exactly.

00:04:29.060 This nurse worked 1.00

00:04:29.800 at Memorial Sloan Kettering.

00:04:31.220 You know how many nurses 0.99

00:04:31.980 are at Memorial Sloan Kettering?

00:04:33.500 It's like, okay, you know,

00:04:35.200 I'm sure some people had suspicions,

00:04:36.920 but it doesn't mean

00:04:37.520 it's this particular gal. 1.00

00:04:38.820 Now, if it's Bobby Joe's suspender shop

00:04:41.020 and they only have three employees,

00:04:42.320 well, then maybe it's a different story.

00:04:43.360 Maybe that is able to narrow it down.

00:04:44.740 But my guess is most jurors

00:04:46.220 in this, in Manhattan,

00:04:47.120 probably work for employers

00:04:49.160 that have a decent amount.

00:04:50.240 And just knowing their marital status,

00:04:52.820 whether they have kids,

00:04:54.140 you know, general age and employer

00:04:55.840 isn't going to be enough

00:04:57.480 to identify them.

00:04:58.420 And I don't quite get

00:04:59.260 what this judge is worried about.

00:05:01.440 So now, Charles,

00:05:03.140 we may be losing yet another juror.

00:05:06.000 And the jury hasn't even officially

00:05:07.360 been composed,

00:05:09.140 seated or sworn in yet.

00:05:10.560 We need 12.

00:05:11.700 Going to bed last night,

00:05:13.080 we had seven.

00:05:13.700 Now it appears we may have five.

00:05:16.560 Technically, we have six still.

00:05:18.240 But let me tell you about juror number four.

00:05:20.100 On this show, we discussed him yesterday.

00:05:22.560 He is, we weren't sure,

00:05:24.020 based on the reporting,

00:05:24.840 whether he was a Puerto Rican man

00:05:27.820 or whether he was a different ethnicity

00:05:30.760 and a different juror altogether.

00:05:33.000 But it is, in fact,

00:05:34.180 a Puerto Rican grandfather

00:05:35.440 who said,

00:05:36.780 and we talked about this

00:05:37.540 on the show yesterday,

00:05:38.200 he found Trump mysterious

00:05:40.220 and fascinating,

00:05:42.120 which are themselves

00:05:43.640 mysterious and fascinating terms.

00:05:46.040 What does he mean?

00:05:47.760 And now he may get dismissed

00:05:49.800 because it appears he may have lied

00:05:52.440 in his jury questionnaire

00:05:54.280 about past arrests.

00:05:58.020 That would be a problem.

00:06:00.780 Apparently, the prosecution

00:06:01.720 is raising this in court

00:06:02.880 and the Trump defense team

00:06:04.040 is sort of sitting nearby

00:06:05.640 kind of laughing about it.

00:06:07.480 I mean, that's a thing.

00:06:10.400 He was supposed to be there

00:06:11.800 this morning, juror number four,

00:06:13.060 for questioning,

00:06:13.820 but has not yet shown up.

00:06:16.560 Also a problem.

00:06:18.120 But the thing that's interesting

00:06:19.080 about all of these jurors

00:06:20.520 is they're only in there

00:06:22.520 because they raised their hand

00:06:24.400 and said they could be fair, right?

00:06:26.380 Because what, again, today,

00:06:27.780 there was another tranche

00:06:28.620 of, I think, 96 jurors or so,

00:06:30.580 or maybe, I can't remember the number.

00:06:32.100 But once again,

00:06:32.760 they had to raise their hand

00:06:33.580 if they could not be fair

00:06:35.700 or if they could be fair, whatever.

00:06:36.520 Half of them left

00:06:37.960 because they openly admitted

00:06:39.600 they couldn't be fair to Trump.

00:06:41.380 And the other half lied

00:06:43.860 and said that they could.

00:06:46.560 And those will be Trump's ultimate jurors.

00:06:50.620 It's a joke,

00:06:51.360 but it is going to be a challenge.

00:06:54.400 You know, I think that there is

00:06:56.760 a special place in hell

00:06:58.580 for people who can't be fair 0.99

00:07:01.160 in criminal trials.

00:07:03.320 You said this juror

00:07:05.120 who is on the way out

00:07:06.720 was an oncology nurse.

00:07:08.780 She helps people

00:07:10.340 who are in the worst moments

00:07:12.020 of their lives

00:07:14.100 and she can't be fair.

00:07:17.260 This is the backbone

00:07:18.740 of our republic.

00:07:20.700 It's as important as voting,

00:07:23.120 as free speech.

00:07:24.320 If you can't do that,

00:07:27.200 you're a bad citizen.

00:07:29.060 I really find this appalling.

00:07:33.080 I have long wanted

00:07:34.400 to be on a jury, Megan.

00:07:35.860 I'm a weird person

00:07:36.860 in that I don't want

00:07:38.160 to get out of it.

00:07:39.080 I don't want to get in.

00:07:40.140 And I've always thought

00:07:41.000 that they'd never let me

00:07:42.700 because they would say,

00:07:43.980 what do you do?

00:07:44.660 And I would say,

00:07:45.160 I write for National Review.

00:07:46.220 And they would say,

00:07:46.560 do you have strong views

00:07:47.220 about this, that and the other?

00:07:48.320 And I would say,

00:07:48.840 well, of course I do.

00:07:49.700 And then they would say goodbye.

00:07:51.480 But I really think

00:07:53.620 it's a skill,

00:07:54.560 it's a civic habit

00:07:55.540 that we ought to have

00:07:57.140 in abundance.

00:07:58.740 And if you look back

00:08:00.120 to the early republic

00:08:01.080 with the trial

00:08:02.840 of the British soldiers

00:08:03.820 in Boston,

00:08:05.440 where John Adams

00:08:06.100 famously represented them,

00:08:07.360 that's a beautiful moment.

00:08:08.460 I struggle to watch that

00:08:09.440 in the HBO series

00:08:10.420 without tearing up

00:08:11.560 because it was so against

00:08:13.400 the interests of many

00:08:14.460 of the people

00:08:14.980 who were involved

00:08:15.720 in that trial.

00:08:17.260 And so it is here.

00:08:18.620 I don't care

00:08:19.640 if these people

00:08:20.500 love Donald Trump

00:08:21.460 or hate Donald Trump.

00:08:22.580 That's not the question

00:08:23.520 in front of them.

00:08:24.440 And so to see this happening

00:08:26.180 is depressing.

00:08:27.880 There is a very big difference

00:08:29.140 between someone being dismissed

00:08:30.360 because he's lied to the court.

00:08:31.820 That's bad.

00:08:32.580 Because he doesn't show up

00:08:33.740 at the court.

00:08:34.640 That's bad.

00:08:35.440 Because he had an arrest record

00:08:37.080 or what you will

00:08:37.800 that he didn't disclose.

00:08:38.760 That's bad.

00:08:39.740 And someone deciding,

00:08:41.160 no, I am so incapable

00:08:43.460 of controlling my emotions

00:08:45.080 and my mind

00:08:46.180 that I cannot give this person

00:08:47.720 a fair trial.

00:08:48.520 That is a problem

00:08:50.220 in and of itself

00:08:51.240 in our system

00:08:51.900 that we ought to want

00:08:52.660 to rectify.

00:08:54.360 It's really true.

00:08:55.900 And now you have,

00:08:56.920 yesterday we talked about

00:08:58.060 the absurd media coverage

00:09:00.780 so far

00:09:01.340 of jury selection

00:09:02.640 and how,

00:09:03.840 with nothing else

00:09:04.600 much to write about,

00:09:06.240 these several reporters

00:09:07.500 have taken to

00:09:08.280 what sound like

00:09:09.580 R-rated recitations

00:09:11.060 of Trump's body movements

00:09:12.680 while he sits there

00:09:14.040 and watches the questioning.

00:09:15.380 I mean,

00:09:15.600 truly bizarre stuff.

00:09:17.420 And today

00:09:19.180 we get this

00:09:20.600 from Maggie Haberman

00:09:22.580 of the Times.

00:09:23.860 She's positing

00:09:25.420 that Trump

00:09:26.560 is getting

00:09:27.740 special treatment.

00:09:29.340 We've heard this now

00:09:30.040 more and more

00:09:30.640 from the left

00:09:32.100 and reporters on the left.

00:09:33.340 He's getting special

00:09:34.400 treatment here

00:09:35.160 because Trump,

00:09:36.520 having been gagged

00:09:38.340 and thanks to a ruling

00:09:40.180 that stops him

00:09:40.900 from talking about

00:09:41.840 the witnesses

00:09:42.800 like Michael Cohen

00:09:44.160 and Stormy Daniels

00:09:45.060 who are out there

00:09:45.600 on a daily basis

00:09:46.320 criticizing him,

00:09:47.420 he is subject

00:09:51.660 to a motion now

00:09:52.660 by the prosecution

00:09:53.260 that he violated

00:09:54.040 the gag order

00:09:54.680 by saying some things

00:09:55.700 about Michael Cohen

00:09:56.340 that he's an ex-con,

00:09:57.660 a convicted felon 1.00

00:09:58.940 and that he's a liar. 0.99

00:10:00.460 And now the prosecution 0.98

00:10:01.700 wants him gagged

00:10:02.900 again,

00:10:04.700 fined $3,000

00:10:05.700 and potentially

00:10:06.460 they asked the judge

00:10:07.680 to remind Mr. Trump

00:10:08.580 that he would be thrown

00:10:09.180 in jail

00:10:09.560 if he did this again

00:10:10.420 for up to 30 days.

00:10:12.160 All right?

00:10:12.520 So,

00:10:13.260 the former president.

00:10:15.180 So she reports

00:10:16.040 as follows.

00:10:16.580 The judge will not rule

00:10:18.580 on whether Trump

00:10:19.480 violated the gag order

00:10:20.520 until after a specific

00:10:21.860 hearing about it

00:10:23.120 on Tuesday

00:10:23.700 of next week.

00:10:25.100 Until then,

00:10:26.000 Trump can presumably

00:10:26.660 talk and post as usual.

00:10:28.260 Maggie Haberman.

00:10:28.780 The press is barred

00:10:30.580 from covering aspects

00:10:31.360 of the trial

00:10:31.860 related to the jury

00:10:32.700 for understandable

00:10:33.760 security reasons.

00:10:34.740 At the same time,

00:10:35.940 the judge is taking

00:10:36.660 another five days

00:10:37.480 to hold a hearing,

00:10:38.280 meaning he won't hold one

00:10:39.480 for another five days,

00:10:41.020 on whether Trump

00:10:41.760 has violated the gag order

00:10:42.860 that was placed on him

00:10:44.040 with repeated social media

00:10:45.280 posts about a key witness

00:10:46.200 and jurors.

00:10:47.160 This is one of several ways

00:10:48.560 in which,

00:10:49.520 despite Trump's complaints

00:10:50.620 that he's being treated

00:10:51.420 unfairly,

00:10:52.200 the judge is bending

00:10:53.020 over backward

00:10:53.660 to be fair to him

00:10:54.980 in this trial.

00:10:56.480 I've got my doubts

00:10:58.640 about that,

00:10:59.440 about that suggestion,

00:11:00.900 and I don't think

00:11:02.500 that Trump is bending

00:11:03.360 over backwards

00:11:03.840 in any way,

00:11:04.720 shape, or form.

00:11:05.320 Jim, yesterday,

00:11:06.100 we saw him admonish Trump

00:11:07.980 and accuse him

00:11:08.560 of jury tampering

00:11:09.540 or intimidation

00:11:11.040 because he heard Trump

00:11:12.600 grumbling to his lawyer

00:11:14.140 and the judge openly admitted

00:11:15.940 he had no idea

00:11:17.140 what Trump was even saying.

00:11:18.840 I guess when Trump

00:11:20.060 grumbles to his lawyer,

00:11:21.380 he needs to sound

00:11:22.020 more positive and cheery.

00:11:23.580 He needs to be happy,

00:11:24.720 optimistic, grumbling.

00:11:26.480 You will have to look

00:11:27.600 far and wide

00:11:28.480 before you will find

00:11:29.600 more like Tim Allen

00:11:33.000 doing the grunts

00:11:34.240 from Home Improvement

00:11:35.260 or something.

00:11:37.500 So you'll have to look

00:11:38.900 far and wide

00:11:39.660 before you'll find

00:11:40.320 a correspondent

00:11:41.120 who has a more

00:11:41.880 symbiotic relationship

00:11:43.900 with Donald Trump 0.84

00:11:44.720 than Maggie Haberman.

00:11:46.260 I don't think

00:11:47.120 it's too much

00:11:47.700 of an exaggeration

00:11:48.380 to say that Maggie Haberman's

00:11:49.680 career in the last decade

00:11:51.240 or so has been built

00:11:52.200 upon this access to Trump.

00:11:54.180 The fact that Trump

00:11:54.820 will periodically call her up

00:11:55.960 and just vent

00:11:56.600 even though she has

00:11:58.120 written many critical things

00:11:59.240 but always they end up

00:12:00.220 for some reason

00:12:01.780 he ends up talking

00:12:02.640 to her again.

00:12:04.220 And those who have been

00:12:06.000 on the Trump beat,

00:12:07.120 well the story now

00:12:07.840 is the Trump trial.

00:12:09.420 I myself do not find

00:12:10.560 this fascinating.

00:12:11.540 I myself do not find

00:12:12.700 this endless edge

00:12:13.900 of your seat drama

00:12:14.760 a worthy successor

00:12:15.700 to I can now say

00:12:17.500 the late O.J. Simpson.

00:12:20.300 Just fast forward

00:12:21.360 to the fact that

00:12:22.000 I don't care about

00:12:22.860 every particular twist

00:12:23.540 and turn.

00:12:23.940 I think Alvin Bragg

00:12:24.780 has a particularly weak case

00:12:25.920 but who knows

00:12:27.060 it's Manhattan.

00:12:27.760 Maybe it's not hard

00:12:28.680 to find 12 jurors

00:12:30.140 who will say

00:12:30.840 Trump's probably an SOB

00:12:32.520 I'll vote against him anyway.

00:12:34.060 As Charlie alluded to

00:12:34.940 that's exactly

00:12:35.380 what you're not supposed to do

00:12:36.400 and you're supposed to say

00:12:37.720 well I voted against Trump twice

00:12:38.920 and I think Trump

00:12:39.460 is a terrible president 1.00

00:12:40.560 and terrible guy 0.98

00:12:41.180 but I do not believe

00:12:42.620 the prosecutor

00:12:43.180 has proven beyond

00:12:43.940 a reasonable doubt

00:12:44.620 that these crimes

00:12:45.160 were committed

00:12:45.540 and therefore

00:12:46.500 I will vote not guilty.

00:12:47.720 Like that's the way

00:12:48.160 juries are supposed to work.

00:12:49.600 I don't know

00:12:50.100 if juries are supposed to work.

00:12:51.180 I'm thinking of the OJ trial

00:12:53.860 I'm reminded of that old

00:12:54.840 you know Dennis Miller joke

00:12:55.840 that if you ever go on trial

00:12:57.040 your fate is in the hands

00:12:58.180 of 12 people

00:12:59.400 who couldn't get out

00:13:00.200 of jury duty

00:13:00.820 and of course

00:13:01.820 they won't take Charlie Cook

00:13:02.900 because he knows too much

00:13:03.620 about everything

00:13:04.100 to be put on that jury.

00:13:06.160 So I

00:13:06.900 And they'll be thrown

00:13:07.940 by his British accent

00:13:08.980 they're going to know

00:13:09.480 he's too smart for them.

00:13:12.300 My suspicion is

00:13:13.720 is that

00:13:14.280 this will actually

00:13:15.040 not be a huge impact

00:13:16.680 on the 2024 election.

00:13:18.200 I think everybody knows

00:13:18.820 already knows

00:13:19.520 what they think of Trump.

00:13:21.040 They either say

00:13:21.400 those who love him

00:13:22.020 love him

00:13:22.360 those who hate him

00:13:23.000 hate him.

00:13:23.940 If Trump is acquitted

00:13:24.740 I don't think

00:13:25.480 too many Trump critics

00:13:26.280 will say ah

00:13:26.860 well you know

00:13:27.460 I guess he's not

00:13:28.000 such a bad guy

00:13:28.700 and if Trump is guilty

00:13:30.140 I doubt you'll see

00:13:31.420 that many

00:13:31.860 really if any

00:13:32.800 I just have a hard time

00:13:34.280 believing there are people

00:13:34.840 who are totally

00:13:35.300 on board with Trump

00:13:36.060 but not if he falsified

00:13:37.940 business records

00:13:38.700 and payments

00:13:39.240 to his mistress

00:13:39.900 back when in the 20,000

00:13:40.960 that changes everything.

00:13:42.540 I've heard you say that

00:13:43.280 on the editors

00:13:43.900 and I

00:13:44.920 I also think

00:13:46.920 the trial

00:13:47.340 is unlikely

00:13:48.400 to have a big impact

00:13:50.020 on 2024.

00:13:51.960 It's unlikely

00:13:52.440 but I can't get past

00:13:54.220 the polls that say

00:13:55.020 I'm wrong

00:13:55.520 you know

00:13:56.480 that say

00:13:57.020 no

00:13:57.460 there's almost

00:13:58.620 half of independents

00:13:59.620 and almost one third

00:14:00.560 of Republicans

00:14:01.080 who say

00:14:01.600 if he's a convicted felon

00:14:02.960 it does change

00:14:04.420 my view of him

00:14:05.040 and I realize

00:14:05.620 if you get granular

00:14:06.860 on it

00:14:07.380 well convicted

00:14:08.400 for what

00:14:08.760 falsifying business records

00:14:09.720 about a hush money payment

00:14:10.540 it sounds less powerful

00:14:12.180 than obstructing justice

00:14:13.920 or violating

00:14:14.560 the Espionage Act

00:14:15.560 but what if they

00:14:17.400 mean it

00:14:18.100 you know

00:14:18.400 that's what I can't get past

00:14:19.260 what if those voters

00:14:20.620 actually mean it

00:14:21.540 no

00:14:21.860 just convicted felon

00:14:23.720 is enough for me

00:14:24.580 to say

00:14:25.040 it's an embarrassment

00:14:26.320 to the United States

00:14:27.580 and I'm not voting for it

00:14:29.200 I know you and I

00:14:30.180 both think

00:14:30.680 they don't really mean it here

00:14:31.960 but they might

00:14:33.540 yeah I think that

00:14:35.240 there's a certain

00:14:36.000 person who does not

00:14:36.880 like admitting

00:14:37.400 that they would still vote

00:14:38.840 for a convicted felon

00:14:40.000 and or kind of

00:14:41.140 this sense of like

00:14:41.740 well somebody's convicted

00:14:42.620 of a felony

00:14:43.480 you should not vote for them

00:14:44.660 right this idea of like

00:14:45.900 they don't think of

00:14:46.520 themselves the same way

00:14:47.580 as a good person

00:14:49.040 that they are somehow

00:14:49.700 giving their blessing

00:14:50.700 to this person

00:14:51.540 to this nominee

00:14:52.840 the presidential nominee

00:14:53.800 and what they may have

00:14:54.680 done in the past

00:14:55.300 I just have a hard time

00:14:56.800 believing in

00:14:57.860 you know

00:14:58.280 by the time people

00:14:58.960 go to the polls

00:14:59.500 in November

00:14:59.980 or let's face it

00:15:00.700 in October

00:15:01.180 considering how much

00:15:02.060 early voting there is

00:15:03.260 in so many states

00:15:03.900 that people will be thinking

00:15:05.320 you know

00:15:06.020 the economy's lousy

00:15:07.100 I can't afford anything

00:15:08.000 I can't afford a house

00:15:08.780 I can't afford a new car

00:15:09.740 the border's a mess

00:15:11.280 the world is on fire

00:15:12.640 nobody's afraid of Biden

00:15:14.040 he's stumbling around

00:15:14.740 like Mr. Magoo

00:15:15.520 but then again

00:15:17.300 Alvin Bragg got him

00:15:18.500 that's a good theory Jim

00:15:19.380 that actually

00:15:20.120 that ferreted out

00:15:21.220 I like it better

00:15:21.960 that

00:15:22.380 it's sort of the way

00:15:24.960 we saw

00:15:25.560 people say

00:15:26.360 they wouldn't vote

00:15:27.100 for Trump in 16

00:15:28.200 it's

00:15:29.140 they're just saying

00:15:30.220 what they think

00:15:30.920 the pollster wants to hear

00:15:32.200 or what will make them

00:15:33.100 look good

00:15:33.700 like oh no

00:15:34.400 not a convicted felon

00:15:35.960 and there's a reason

00:15:37.040 a lot of people

00:15:37.540 are in the independent lane

00:15:38.720 as opposed to

00:15:39.800 full-on Republicans

00:15:40.780 like me

00:15:41.940 we don't want

00:15:43.000 the brand association

00:15:43.900 with either side

00:15:44.720 you know

00:15:45.220 and so

00:15:46.160 they'd probably

00:15:47.180 be less likely

00:15:47.940 to say

00:15:48.600 that's no big deal

00:15:49.500 about you know

00:15:50.220 being a convicted felon

00:15:51.040 this is an interesting

00:15:52.060 point

00:15:52.580 update for you

00:15:54.080 from the courtroom

00:15:54.800 juror number four

00:15:56.140 has been dismissed

00:15:56.800 it's goodbye

00:15:58.320 senior

00:15:59.540 it's over

00:16:00.600 he's digging off

00:16:01.960 and we'll see

00:16:02.520 what comes out

00:16:03.440 about his

00:16:03.900 he will forever

00:16:05.120 remain a mystery

00:16:05.920 he will always

00:16:07.240 remain mysterious

00:16:08.020 maybe he is now

00:16:09.100 the new

00:16:09.600 most interesting man

00:16:10.640 in the world

00:16:11.020 we never got to know

00:16:12.160 him the way

00:16:12.820 we wanted to

00:16:13.440 um

00:16:14.480 haverman is reporting

00:16:15.860 that trump

00:16:16.380 looked annoyed

00:16:17.500 that that juror

00:16:18.620 was dismissed

00:16:19.200 and you know

00:16:20.340 what we talked

00:16:20.880 about it yesterday

00:16:21.460 about probably

00:16:22.160 why he's doing

00:16:22.900 rather well

00:16:23.380 with hispanic men

00:16:24.140 if you're just

00:16:25.160 looking at the

00:16:25.620 demographics

00:16:26.060 that's not a bad

00:16:27.220 trump juror

00:16:28.100 at least on paper

00:16:28.900 young white

00:16:30.400 college age

00:16:31.660 female 0.86

00:16:32.360 um

00:16:33.460 who is one

00:16:34.060 of the jurors

00:16:34.560 bad

00:16:35.120 that's not

00:16:35.960 what you want

00:16:36.540 but hispanic

00:16:37.380 older man

00:16:38.860 right on

00:16:39.620 but he's gone

00:16:40.500 here's just

00:16:41.440 to give you

00:16:41.840 an idea

00:16:42.560 that the new

00:16:44.700 york times

00:16:45.100 is jonah

00:16:45.840 bromwich

00:16:46.280 apparently did

00:16:46.980 not watch

00:16:47.400 our coverage

00:16:47.900 yesterday

00:16:48.540 in which we

00:16:49.080 mocked him

00:16:49.580 among others

00:16:50.300 for their

00:16:50.640 fawning weird

00:16:51.560 body language

00:16:52.660 descriptions of

00:16:53.360 donald trump

00:16:53.840 i mean truly

00:16:54.420 it sounds like

00:16:55.080 something you

00:16:55.460 would see

00:16:55.760 late night

00:16:56.260 on cinemax

00:16:56.920 here is the

00:16:57.980 latest dispatch

00:16:58.800 from the new

00:16:59.200 york times

00:16:59.640 you can't make

00:17:01.600 this stuff up

00:17:02.500 you guys

00:17:02.940 okay listen

00:17:03.720 we just

00:17:05.060 got one

00:17:05.760 of our

00:17:06.000 best looks

00:17:06.720 at trump

00:17:07.200 in the

00:17:07.620 courtroom

00:17:07.920 thus far

00:17:08.540 as he

00:17:09.140 had to

00:17:09.380 wait

00:17:09.580 before

00:17:09.880 leaving

00:17:10.180 the

00:17:10.360 room

00:17:10.620 he

00:17:11.440 stood

00:17:11.920 stock

00:17:12.820 still

00:17:13.300 pursed

00:17:14.340 his lips

00:17:14.900 stared up

00:17:15.700 at the

00:17:15.960 ceiling

00:17:16.280 then when

00:17:17.540 he was

00:17:17.820 permitted

00:17:18.120 to leave

00:17:19.120 he rubbed

00:17:20.260 his hand

00:17:20.760 with one

00:17:21.220 finger

00:17:21.680 and directed

00:17:22.840 a tight

00:17:23.340 smile

00:17:23.900 at one

00:17:24.660 of the

00:17:24.920 reporters

00:17:25.360 seated

00:17:25.940 in the

00:17:26.600 back

00:17:26.940 row

00:17:27.340 what

00:17:28.420 is this 0.91

00:17:29.780 drivel

00:17:30.700 charles

00:17:31.240 he stole

00:17:31.620 your lead

00:17:32.100 for your

00:17:32.440 next piece

00:17:32.960 on nr

00:17:33.520 i would

00:17:37.180 hope

00:17:37.520 that if

00:17:38.060 i wrote

00:17:38.580 anything

00:17:39.160 approximating

00:17:39.960 that i

00:17:40.340 would be

00:17:40.620 summarily

00:17:41.080 fired

00:17:41.660 it's

00:17:45.500 amazing

00:17:45.880 to me

00:17:46.300 anyway

00:17:46.640 we're

00:17:47.200 we're

00:17:48.320 stuck

00:17:48.520 with these

00:17:48.820 updates

00:17:49.140 until we

00:17:49.540 actually

00:17:49.760 get down

00:17:50.120 to the

00:17:50.340 nitty-gritty

00:17:50.760 and in

00:17:51.420 the meantime

00:17:51.860 they've

00:17:52.680 got

00:17:52.840 campaigning

00:17:53.280 to do

00:17:53.640 right

00:17:54.000 trump

00:17:54.840 can't

00:17:55.120 do it

00:17:55.380 except

00:17:55.640 on

00:17:55.860 wednesdays

00:17:56.440 saturdays

00:17:57.080 and sundays

00:17:57.640 because he's

00:17:58.560 stuck in

00:17:58.800 this courtroom

00:17:59.280 biden

00:18:00.060 was in

00:18:00.460 pennsylvania

00:18:01.000 three times

00:18:01.760 this week

00:18:02.280 but it's

00:18:03.360 not going

00:18:04.040 all that

00:18:04.820 well

00:18:05.180 all right

00:18:05.640 so biden

00:18:06.160 went to

00:18:06.540 a gas

00:18:06.940 station

00:18:07.320 in moon

00:18:08.280 township

00:18:08.880 pennsylvania

00:18:09.560 we've got a

00:18:10.100 bit of the

00:18:10.360 video from

00:18:10.880 c-span

00:18:11.440 take a look

00:18:12.380 at the

00:18:12.540 hero's

00:18:12.860 welcome

00:18:13.120 he got

00:18:13.540 the listening

00:18:14.420 audience

00:18:14.880 there might

00:18:16.860 be like

00:18:17.420 five people

00:18:18.980 all right

00:18:20.480 this is

00:18:20.900 like a few

00:18:21.980 others

00:18:22.380 i'd say

00:18:23.120 we've got

00:18:23.440 maybe a

00:18:23.880 dozen

00:18:24.180 inside

00:18:25.740 we only

00:18:27.020 have the

00:18:27.340 video not

00:18:27.860 the audio

00:18:28.720 no one

00:18:29.620 looks

00:18:29.860 enthused

00:18:30.480 everyone's

00:18:31.860 just standing

00:18:32.260 around

00:18:32.520 contrast that

00:18:33.560 with trump

00:18:34.900 um who

00:18:36.460 visited

00:18:36.880 harlem 0.84

00:18:37.460 on tuesday

00:18:38.820 he went

00:18:39.760 to the

00:18:40.000 bodega

00:18:40.420 where the

00:18:41.540 guy the

00:18:42.120 worker

00:18:42.480 um was

00:18:44.580 attacked

00:18:45.080 and fought

00:18:45.780 back and 0.60

00:18:46.360 stabbed his 0.89

00:18:46.900 attacker 0.97

00:18:47.320 and alvin

00:18:48.680 bragg who's

00:18:49.220 prosecuting trump

00:18:50.000 try to charge

00:18:51.140 that guy with

00:18:51.580 second-degree murder

00:18:52.280 and only when

00:18:52.780 new york revolted

00:18:53.860 against him

00:18:54.500 because the

00:18:55.060 bodega owner

00:18:55.700 had been

00:18:56.040 attacked himself

00:18:56.820 it was self-defense

00:18:57.600 did he drop

00:18:58.400 the charges

00:18:58.820 so trump

00:18:59.320 wisely

00:18:59.880 went to that

00:19:01.280 bodega on

00:19:01.960 tuesday and

00:19:02.520 take a look

00:19:02.920 at this

00:19:03.320 this is in

00:19:03.960 harlem 0.84

00:19:04.280 that's amazing

00:19:28.900 charles uh i know you can't go by crowd size and predicting who's going to get elected otherwise trump would have won

00:19:34.260 2020 as well but that's harlem new york and uh trump is like a hero yeah i i think as you say you can't go by crowd size but what it does tell us is something interesting about the two candidates in that biden is if he is going to win going to win because he's the safe option

00:20:04.260 and he's the way he's the way to win guys and peepib Conti and bring him toї

00:20:11.860 as just like the cold

00:20:13.160 he's not she knows will be this 무엇 to win like he is he's the guy that people huge

00:20:14.860 good so he's not here it's tough

00:20:15.480 he's the guy that people who don't like trump for reasons good and bad think that they have to vote for

00:20:17.700 he's not somebody that anyone in america seems to be enthused about he's not

00:20:19.780 he's not bill clinton he's not ronald reagan he is there whereas trump

00:20:26.100 whereas Trump inspires responses, inspires reactions, both good and bad, and for good and

00:20:33.500 bad reasons. But he is somebody who does not yield yawns or the question who. Everyone knows who he

00:20:45.280 is, and they know what he's about. And you're going to see a lot of that in the election.

00:20:50.920 But I do think you were right in your introduction to the question to note that this dynamic also

00:20:57.860 obtained in 2020. In fact, Joe Biden hid away for most of that election, and he still won.

00:21:05.400 And I think this question is going to be, this election is going to be about which

00:21:11.180 candidate can maintain their hold on suburban middle class voters. Biden has a problem with

00:21:23.840 them because of inflation and crime and his treatment of Israel. And Trump has a problem

00:21:32.440 with them because he's uncouth, because of what he did at the end of the last election,

00:21:37.060 which was a disgrace, because he's still disciplined. And, you know, I think that's

00:21:42.960 going to be where the elections won or lost, not in crowd size.

00:21:47.740 The problem for Joe Biden is not only that, you know, it's kind of an interesting bumper

00:21:51.880 sticker. I'm here. I'm here. But for Joe Biden, he's there. Hadn't heard anybody phrase it quite

00:22:00.320 so succinctly is his the recommendation for him. The problem for Americans, my fellow Americans 0.97

00:22:08.360 have a proud tradition of existence. Exactly. That's the early 1940s. Me and corn pop to do.

00:22:15.640 Do you guys happen to see the video on X yesterday of that woman in Brazil who tried to get some bank

00:22:21.260 loan or payment that was owed to her uncle, who is dead by wheeling the dead body in there.

00:22:28.820 There's disturbing video, too disturbing to show. She's got the dead uncle in the bank with her.

00:22:35.720 And you could see this is a dead man. And she's trying to pretend that he's alive. And she's

00:22:39.540 talking to him to try to get him to sign these. However, it would financially benefit her.

00:22:44.280 I mean, you know, I was just going to say it looked a little familiar. You know,

00:22:47.860 it kind of looked a little like Jill Biden. 1.00

00:22:51.700 That's not quite there. We're still with. I'm here.

00:22:55.780 But not making a lot of sense, Jim. Not making a lot of sense, because I got to tell you,

00:23:00.760 he once again came out with a nonsense story

00:23:03.160 about Uncle Bossy. He can't go two seconds without telling another familial lie,

00:23:10.920 something about his background, his son, what have you. The latest one is about Uncle Bossy,

00:23:16.280 to whom he was paying tribute as a World War II vet who died during World War II. And take a listen to

00:23:22.380 what President Biden claimed about his long lost uncle.

00:23:25.700 We called him Uncle Bossy. He was shot down. He was in the Army Air Corps before there was an

00:23:34.440 Air Force. He flew single engine planes, reconnaissance flights over New Guinea. He had volunteered

00:23:41.220 because someone couldn't make it. He got shot down in an area where there were a lot of cannibals 1.00

00:23:48.800 at the time. They never recovered his body, but the government went back when I went down there

00:23:55.860 and they checked and found some parts of the plane and the light.

00:24:01.380 Okay, so virtually none of that. It was true. There is a dead uncle. He died in World War II,

00:24:07.120 was not in a single engine. He was in a double engine plane, was not shot down. Officials say that

00:24:12.720 they don't know what happened to the plane, but both engines failed. We know this because three died in

00:24:17.840 the ocean, including his uncle, and one survived and went on to tell us what happened. There were

00:24:22.520 no cannibals. Fact check, Jim.

00:24:29.240 Megan, the cannibals swam out to the bottom of the ocean to where the plane was, and then they ate my 1.00

00:24:35.440 uncle. By the way, when you were playing that video of Biden in the restaurant earlier and you noticed how

00:24:41.980 nonchalant everyone was, that the President of the United States just walked in there,

00:24:45.980 I noticed that quite a few folks were seated and remained seated when the President came in,

00:24:51.540 which is, I believe, a violation of protocol. Even if there isn't a band there playing Hail to

00:24:55.860 the Chief, like, Megan, if Joe Biden shuffled his feet into your studio right now and said,

00:25:00.860 Megan, I got to tell you about my uncle and how the cannibals ate him and how terrible that was. 0.97

00:25:05.360 It was right around, it was a little before I fought Corn Pop. You'd rise to your feet out of 0.99

00:25:10.500 respect for the office, not necessarily an appreciation of them. Like, you just would do

00:25:14.500 it, like, because that's what you do for the President, whether you like the guy or you don't

00:25:17.340 like the guy. So one, it's kind of like, you know, some part of me as an American is a little

00:25:22.360 disappointed to see people not rising when the President enters a room, whether or not they

00:25:26.080 like him. And then the second thing is that this story, we've gotten used to the President

00:25:31.300 talking about his conversations with Helmut Kohl, who died been a year, Francois Mitterrand,

00:25:35.360 who died lots of years. He mixed up Haifa and Rafa. Like, okay, we're all kind of used to this.

00:25:41.480 But as a result of this, Biden really has no communications oomph anymore. He only does

00:25:48.460 events from between, like, you know, after 10 a.m. and before 4 p.m., doesn't do a lot of night

00:25:53.340 events other than the State of the Union once a year. Usually one public event a day, doesn't,

00:25:58.880 you know, goes back to Delaware. Even if Israel's about to be attacked, he goes back to Delaware 0.57

00:26:02.580 every weekend. And he just doesn't, you know, he reads off the teleprompter. His staff is terrified

00:26:07.940 of him going off the teleprompter. And we've all gotten used to it. And we know that if he tells

00:26:11.380 a story, you know, I was raised in a Puerto Rican, Jewish, African-American neighborhood,

00:26:15.840 and that's how I was raised. We know this is all nonsense. We've heard these stories from our

00:26:21.180 grandparents and our parents, and we love our parents and our grandparents. But we put up with

00:26:25.220 those stories because we love our elderly relatives. We don't love Joe Biden. He's just a guy who showed up

00:26:29.840 here. Yeah. Or as the new inspiring slogan Charlie just came up with, he's here. That's all you can

00:26:36.420 say. He's present for now. Present for now. That's it. I might have to show the video. It's

00:26:47.000 disturbing. This is not the first lie about an uncle. I know it's bad, but I like you kind of

00:26:52.540 can't take your eyes off of it. Uncle Frank, he lied about Uncle Frank. Remember, he said Uncle

00:26:57.180 Frank received a Purple Heart. He said this back in October. My uncle won the Purple Heart

00:27:02.020 in the Battle of the Bulge. And you guys fact checked it and said, no, we didn't. There was

00:27:08.680 there was no absolutely no evidence that Frank Biden received a Purple Heart, either while dead or

00:27:15.380 posthumously. His name does not appear on the two major databases of honorees, Traces of War or the

00:27:21.020 National Purple Heart Hall of Honor. So no Purple Heart for Uncle Frank and no cannibals. 1.00

00:27:27.180 For Uncle Finnegan. But he continues to spew all of this stuff. Now, you mentioned the

00:27:34.340 Haifa thing. This is actually kind of interesting and worthy of a soundbite. We're going to play

00:27:40.240 it. This is really clear. The Israelis are thinking about moving into Rafa. And there's

00:27:47.020 been a lot of news about whether they should, whether this is an appropriate pause. You know,

00:27:51.980 a lot of people really want Israel to take care of it, to finish Hamas off by going into 0.88

00:27:56.340 Rafa. And this is what Biden said, Satu. And I made it clear to Israelis, don't move 0.76

00:28:04.100 on Haifa. It's just not. I mean, anyway, I just. Look what we did recently when Israel was attacked.

00:28:15.900 OK. I mean, how many times does this have to happen, Charles, right before somebody over on

00:28:25.260 the Democratic side says we're dead? He he can't make it to, as you point out, October or November.

00:28:33.040 He can't make it. We're going to have one of these that's calamitous between now and then.

00:28:39.400 Or is it just he's polling within one point of Trump now in the national polls? Things are

00:28:47.260 tightening in the swing states. Shut up. Let's go. Brazilian dead uncle. That's the plan. 1.00

00:28:55.420 Yeah, that's the plan. That's the plan. He is not up to being president. And one of the

00:29:03.340 really irritating things about the polarized politics that we live with at the moment and

00:29:13.500 about the fact that this is another election fought between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is

00:29:19.080 that whatever you say about either person, someone will immediately pop up and say, but

00:29:23.620 what about the other one? All right. But let's stipulate that. Let's say for the sake of argument

00:29:30.740 that Donald Trump is disqualified from being president. Let's say that Donald Trump is a

00:29:37.820 pathological liar. Then we can evaluate Biden. So Biden, as we established in the last segment, 1.00

00:29:48.220 and anyone who has looked at the last 40 years of Biden's public career can attest, is a habitual 0.98

00:29:55.680 liar. The man lies about everything. He makes up stories. He contradicts himself. He bends and twists 0.99

00:30:09.400 other people's grief so that he can spin stories of his own suffering that mostly are not true.

00:30:19.020 Biden's relationship with the truth is disgraceful. And saying, but what about Trump doesn't change

00:30:26.220 that. The same is true with his abilities as a president or lack thereof. Again, forget Trump.

00:30:35.720 I'm not saying this is the view that everyone should take. But just for the sake of this conversation,

00:30:42.100 let's say everything that everyone says about Trump is true. Now let's talk about Biden and that clip.

00:30:48.060 There is no one. There is no one in this country who would look at that man absent a desire for him to

00:30:58.560 beat someone else and say he should be president. He is quite clearly in and of itself per se unfit to be

00:31:08.080 president. He's too old. He doesn't know what's going on. He projects no confidence or ability

00:31:16.880 or knowledge. I don't mean this in a conspiratorial sense. Quite clearly his staff are running the show.

00:31:26.380 This is embarrassing. It's a huge problem. And all you need to do if you want confirmation of this

00:31:31.300 is ask people in other countries who tend to be left of center relative to the United States,

00:31:36.880 whether or not they think Joe Biden is up to being president. And they will laugh immediately.

00:31:43.120 They will laugh and say, no, he looks like a skull. This is a problem. And I think because we've got

00:31:50.280 into this horrendous dichotomy, once again, Trump v. Biden, hurrah, then we've almost lost our ability

00:31:58.100 to evaluate and interrogate these questions in and of themselves without reference to the other

00:32:04.340 person. But once you do it, you want to have a very stiff drink very soon.

00:32:08.620 Very true. You're running to the corner bar. All right, you guys, I'm going to do it. I'm sorry.

00:32:14.540 The team pulled it and I'm going to show it. This is a lot of buildup to the listening audience. Go to

00:32:20.240 youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. If you'd like to see here's the editorial. This is per Colin Rugg,

00:32:24.900 who posted it on X. Oh, God, there she is. She's in Brazil. They say this is her uncle. It's his corpse.

00:32:32.080 They say he died two hours before this. She has him in the bank. She was pushing his lifeless body.

00:32:38.520 Oh, God, through the mall. She claims he died sitting in the wheelchair at the bank.

00:32:43.540 But the police say it's a lie. And she's now facing charges, including attempted theft by fraud

00:32:49.140 and vilification of a corpse. I'm sorry, but there's there's some sort of metaphor to be

00:32:57.200 gleaned from this with respect to our own president. It's not quite that bad. I'm just

00:33:01.920 saying the Democrats are prepared to go that far. You can tell like every day with a lapse of memory

00:33:08.420 and the lies that come and the wandering and the muttering and the thinking dead people are alive

00:33:13.260 legitimately and that live people are dead, that they're just going to pursue the Brazil, 0.78

00:33:19.260 the Brazilian bank plan. It's just he's going in the wheelchair and they're just going to keep 0.72

00:33:24.380 telling us not to believe our lying eyes. I'm not going to make you comment on that video.

00:33:29.460 Stand by. I am going to take a break. Oh, did you want to say something? Yes, go ahead.

00:33:33.940 Can you imagine what must have happened for a group of legislators to sit down and write a law

00:33:38.800 about vilification of a corpse? What was it that inspired that one being added to the Brazilian co?

00:33:46.660 You're afraid to ask. It's bad. It's just very bad. All right. Stand by. One break. Right back.

00:33:55.100 We have these guys for the show, which I'm thrilled about.

00:34:01.940 News from inside the courtroom. They're arguing over the temperature in the room. Some of the jurors are

00:34:08.600 cold and they would like it to be made a little bit warmer. I guarantee it's the women. Ladies, 1.00

00:34:13.440 I'm with you. This is the biggest benefit of being my own boss here in my own studio. I can have it

00:34:18.080 at 76. I know most men find this an abomination. Charles is shaking his head vigorously. No,

00:34:24.860 I will tell you if they win that fight, Trump's going to be unhappy because he likes it like the

00:34:30.740 Arctic. Having interviewed him in September, I had to post pictures of me holding hand warmers.

00:34:36.540 It was like 55 degrees in his golf club in New Jersey, and I was dying. But anyway,

00:34:44.680 here's another piece. The now dismissed juror, the older Puerto Rican man married with adult children

00:34:53.040 who says his hobby is his family, blah, blah, blah. He's been dismissed. He found Trump fascinating

00:34:58.940 and mysterious, and he may have not disclosed arrests, although that's unconfirmed as of now.

00:35:04.360 The prosecution alleged it. Now he's been bounced. And in a brief interview outside the courtroom,

00:35:09.460 the juror declined to give his name, can you blame him, and said he did not want to answer

00:35:14.700 questions. But he nodded when asked if he thought he could be unbiased and shook his head when asked

00:35:19.840 if he felt at all intimidated in the courtroom, asked if he thought he should have been dismissed.

00:35:23.620 He walked hurriedly by his umbrella, pulled low, and gave a one word answer. Nope. After the jury

00:35:30.660 was dismissed, this is from the Washington Post, Trump lawyer Todd Blanche asked whether the

00:35:34.400 temperature in their courtroom could be turned up just one degree. That's interesting. That wasn't

00:35:38.740 for Trump. It must have been for his co-counsel, who I think is a woman. Rashawn said no. If we turn

00:35:43.180 it up one, it's going to go up about 30 degrees. Okay. So that's the latest from inside the courtroom.

00:35:48.760 Goodbye to the older gentleman from Harlem. Okay. Moving on. I want, I don't know where to start 0.99

00:35:56.780 because there's like so much other goodness to get to. Let's spend a minute on the NPR CEO and which

00:36:02.060 has led to, there's a, there's a civil war going on inside of NR right now on who this crazy lunatic 0.97

00:36:09.900 Catherine Marr really is. Thanks to Chris Rufo. We have a lifetime worth of absurd, woke tweets, 0.90

00:36:19.120 woker than woke. She gives Kendi a run for his money. She's from Connecticut. Like my kids are going 0.99

00:36:25.600 to have to say they are, although they raised in New York first 10 years. Um, she is, you know,

00:36:31.020 her mother's a state Senator. She's guilty about it all. She can't really stand the fact that she's 1.00

00:36:36.160 a white woman from Connecticut. And here's just a little bit of the latest that's been surfaced

00:36:40.000 about her. Um, this is from, let's see, May of 2021, a virtual conference with the Knight First

00:36:47.540 Amendment Institute at Columbia university and listen to her in 2021. I started by talking about

00:36:55.300 the idea of free and open as some of our founding principles. I have come to the opinion and the

00:37:01.560 perspective that free and open was a way of looking at the world that was inherently limited relative

00:37:07.560 to what we were trying to achieve. Free and open has the best of intentionality, but in the end,

00:37:12.860 what free and open often ended up doing, particularly in the case of Wikipedia was really

00:37:17.000 recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics that exist offline prior to the advent of

00:37:23.660 the internet and others. The ways in which we ascribe notability often really comes from sort of this

00:37:29.540 white male, um, Westernized construct around who matters in societies and who is elevated and whose

00:37:36.640 voices. And so some of these ideas of sort of this radical openness really did not end up with the

00:37:42.800 intention, really did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be.

00:37:47.720 Oh my God. Before I get Charles to weigh in on this, cause I know he's been fighting with our

00:37:54.540 friend, Jeff, um, Jim, just the way she speaks, right? It's like, it's just the same way. All of

00:38:03.520 these academics we see testify on Capitol Hill speak. It's a way these so-called academics like

00:38:08.400 Kendi, I mentioned speak Robin DiAngelo. They take 20 words to say something that required one,

00:38:14.640 and they do it in every phrase of every sentence. You have to work so hard just to understand what

00:38:19.560 they're saying. You know, I kind of listened to that and think if listening to vice president

00:38:24.220 Kamala Harris has become too complicated and sophisticated for you, then you're ready for,

00:38:29.500 for Ms. Mark that this is the nice natural step beyond that to, uh, it's buzzword, uh, you know,

00:38:36.960 woke phrasing buzzword, woke phrasing, and there's a rhythm to it. You begin to, Oh, and this is,

00:38:41.620 you know, um, the other thing I know, Charlie and Jeff have been going out at Hammer and Tom,

00:38:46.360 but I, I, I read about this today and I think what's somewhat like it's depressing, but almost

00:38:51.120 refreshing is we've seen these kinds of journalistic scandal stories before, uh, Dan Rather, Jason

00:38:56.500 Blair, maybe a little more recently, the, you know, freak out over the Tom Cotton op-ed at the New York

00:39:01.500 Times. And very often you'll see the institution after, you know, the revelations come out. Oh, we,

00:39:07.520 we, we really didn't do this as the way we should. We, we, we've, you know, we've let everybody down.

00:39:11.420 We, we did not live up to our principles of reporting the news honestly and objectively.

00:39:15.380 And we pledged to do better. We've seen this a million times and nothing ever changes. They

00:39:19.220 never actually get any better, but there's a little, with this one NPR pretty much from the,

00:39:24.520 everything that Berliner said in the op-ed at the free press is kind of like, you know,

00:39:27.820 we don't think any of that's legitimate. We think we're doing a perfect job. There's nothing

00:39:33.020 that we could be doing better. And we love ourselves just the way we are. And there's

00:39:36.740 something kind of refreshing about that. They're not playing along with this idea of,

00:39:40.500 oh no, we're bad. We must've done something better. They are proud. They're biased. NPR

00:39:44.640 is the way it wants to be. And I doubt it will ever significantly change.

00:39:49.400 Hmm. It's, it is like a, we're here, we're queer, get used to it kind of moment for them. Like

00:39:53.900 suck it. The problem for us is we pay their salaries. So we're not really willing to recoil 1.00

00:39:59.560 in surrender to them. Charles, explain the, the, the debate that you're having with Jeff

00:40:05.620 is it Blahar is how you pronounce his last name at a national review about just what exactly we're

00:40:10.520 seeing in this woman, what she actually is or isn't. So Jeff thinks that she's performing,

00:40:19.240 that she's, um, worked out the best way to navigate the spaces in which she lives. And that way is to

00:40:28.120 echo all of this guff. And I think she's, uh, what's the word? A freak. I think that she means

00:40:36.560 it. If you look through her tweets and Chris Rufo has been highlighting some of the best ones,

00:40:42.120 you find no difference at all between the missive she puts out when she's trying to

00:40:52.120 argue something in the political world. And the missives that she puts out when she's just scrolling

00:40:59.840 through the channels at home on TV. This is who she is. I think she is a cloistered zealot.

00:41:08.600 I think at some point, I don't know when, maybe she was brought up like this. Maybe she picked it up

00:41:13.040 at university. But I think at some point she has absorbed, swallowed whole, this preposterous

00:41:22.920 progressive ideology with its frameworks and hierarchies and intentionalities. And she's

00:41:31.800 unable to live in the world without processing quite literally everything she sees through its

00:41:39.180 terms. And there's one tweet where she is angered by the racial and sexual makeup of an airport lounge

00:41:48.940 that she's in. And then by the people sitting in the first class section, which she goes to great

00:41:56.220 pains to say she only saw because she had to walk through it, which may have been true in that particular

00:42:00.360 instance, but she's hardly downtrodden. 0.63

00:42:03.400 That, to me, is the behavior of an ideological fanatic, of somebody who lacks empathy. And she

00:42:12.880 uses this word empathy all the time on her Twitter feed. And I'm sure she thinks of herself as

00:42:17.220 empathetic because she thinks she has all the right opinions. But actually, empathy doesn't mean that at

00:42:21.840 all. What empathy means is that you are aware of what other people think and feel and believe,

00:42:27.780 and that you think that it has value, or at least you're prepared to spend some time

00:42:33.940 understanding those people. The best way to become empathetic and the best way to understand yourself,

00:42:40.380 in my opinion, is to have friends who roast you, who make fun of you, who laugh at you constantly,

00:42:47.300 who make it clear to you affectionately, sure, what you are in the world, how you come across,

00:42:54.580 what your flaws are, what you're good at. That is the best way to understand what it is that you

00:43:02.200 project in the world. And just reading through, and I accept I don't know this person, but just reading

00:43:07.600 through, she seems to both completely lack empathy about the country she lives in and people who think

00:43:12.380 differently than she does, and also seems to have absolutely no sense of humor. And no one in her life 0.98

00:43:18.760 who can say to her, you know, Catherine, what you've just said is crazy. You sound like a lunatic, 1.00

00:43:27.780 and you maybe need to dial it down a bit. 0.99

00:43:31.060 You said something on NR about how she's one of the least self-aware people you've ever

00:43:36.960 encountered. And I mean, I need to raise, especially because we mentioned you originally

00:43:42.100 Hale from Great Britain, Meghan Markle. Hello. I'm sorry, but she, she is number one. This woman may

00:43:49.660 be a close two, but there's nobody who's more unaware of how they come across than that one,

00:43:56.080 except perhaps her husband, who's now, now we're stuck with Charlie, like you, you're a trendsetter.

00:44:00.620 You came over here and you decided to stay, which was a win, but then he followed you. And now we're

00:44:05.880 stuck with him because he's officially declared America as his residence. And to that, we say no.

00:44:10.760 I would slightly challenge the causality you're implying there, that he in some way

00:44:18.640 came over because I was here. I don't think it's my fault, Meghan. There's no chain migration between

00:44:27.000 me and the royal family, thankfully. I'll let you slide. One more from this lunatic,

00:44:32.600 Catherine Mair and NPR funding, SOT18. Take a listen. 0.89

00:44:36.200 The most written knowledge today has been written by white, colonial, European, North American

00:44:44.000 men. And so one of the things that we're really focused on is how do we think about correcting

00:44:48.620 the record? And so one of the first things we do is we measure the gaps. Who is missing on

00:44:52.980 Wikipedia? Women are missing. People of color are missing. People from the global South are 1.00

00:44:56.840 missing. Indigenous communities are missing. The history of Black Americans is missing. It's also 1.00

00:45:01.380 about going directly to these communities and saying, what do we need to change about ourselves?

00:45:06.000 You know, what about the experience of editing Wikipedia? What about the culture of Wikipedia?

00:45:09.840 What about the policies of Wikipedia need to change?

00:45:13.880 Oh, my God, Jim. Like, it's a problem just because history and so many white guys. 0.92

00:45:21.380 Yeah. Well, if Wikipedia really does lack contributions from women and coverage and 1.00

00:45:28.800 discussion of women, minorities, apparently, as she just still said there, all of African-American 0.94

00:45:34.160 history is missing from Wikipedia. I would blame the person who's been running Wikipedia for the last

00:45:38.960 few years, which I believe is Marr herself. You know, yeah, this is all kind of almost rote. I guess I

00:45:47.520 come down as an agnostic between the Charlie-Jeff division here. I don't even sure it really matters

00:45:51.940 much. At some point, it may be a matter of if, as Jeff suggests, she, you know, was echoing what

00:45:57.620 she felt was most needed to rise in the corporate ladder and the woke workplace to be the appropriate 0.98

00:46:03.240 choice, even for being a white woman from Connecticut. You stare into the abyss long enough, 0.53

00:46:07.880 it starts to stare back. You know, if she's playing a role, she may have lost herself in the role.

00:46:11.880 I think this is who she is. But yeah, like, you know, I think this is, this is exactly the person

00:46:19.420 NPR wants running it. The NPR is the way they are. They haven't gone out of business. They get

00:46:23.540 taxpayer money to cover things when things don't come in. They don't get enough sponsorships.

00:46:27.280 Okay. But on that front, we have, we have another minute. Well, should NPR funding be pulled?

00:46:32.180 Because no one's discussing that. I think like Ted Cruz said, nobody in Congress is really doing

00:46:36.440 anything about it. Well, most folks on the right have been saying for decades,

00:46:40.100 it should not be funded by the U S government. So yeah, you know, absolutely. It should be pulled,

00:46:43.680 you know, Megan. Yeah, go ahead. Can I take 20 seconds to argue with Jim

00:46:49.240 in addition to Jeff? I'll just line them all up, fight them. Um, the reason that I think it does

00:46:54.000 matter is that the response has to be different depending on who these people are. If people are

00:47:02.040 responding to incentives in elite institutions to behave like that, then your challenge is to change

00:47:07.780 the incentives. But if people are genuinely brainwashed, ideological fanatics who are like

00:47:14.540 that intrinsically and aren't acting, then you actually have a different problem. And as somebody

00:47:19.740 who wants to stop people behaving like this and talking like this and annoying everyone in America

00:47:25.080 with their output, I think it's quite important for us to determine what it is that's causing it.

00:47:30.420 Hmm. All right. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to move the ad and we have 40 more seconds before we

00:47:34.700 hit the hard break for Sirius XM. I, what do you, I mean, how do you address problem number two,

00:47:40.320 Charlie? Well, the first thing that you do is the institutions over which you have any control.

00:47:47.180 Um, you fire the people who want to divide us up into groups by race and sexual orientation and so on

00:47:55.340 and say, no, we stand for equality. Now, obviously that's in most cases, none of my business because

00:48:00.240 most institutions are private, although as customer, I might have a view, but NPR is publicly

00:48:05.200 funded. So you either take away their funding completely, which I favor and have done for

00:48:08.280 years long before this, or you say, we do not talk like that to Americans who disagree with us.

00:48:15.340 All right. Well, that's where we're going to pick it up on the opposite side. Don't go away,

00:48:18.020 Charlie and Jim stay with us. All right, guys. So if the plan is, as Charles posited,

00:48:26.860 that we need to find these people like the Catherine Mayers of the world who are running 0.99

00:48:31.220 Wikipedia and running NPR and, you know, ideally remove them from these leadership positions where

00:48:37.280 they can poison, uh, intoxify the industries that affect our information cover, our consumption and

00:48:44.280 affect our young, young people as they go through college. We're not doing very well. And that brings

00:48:49.920 me to Columbia where you may have seen, there are a couple of things going on Columbia university in

00:48:54.180 New York. Um, there was a hearing on Capitol Hill yesterday and they were cross-examining the president

00:49:01.700 of Columbia university, much as they did with the president, Claudine Gay of Harvard and the MIT

00:49:06.840 president and so on a few months ago, leading to Claudine Gay ultimately getting pushed out after her 1.00

00:49:12.440 plagiarism scandal was then on earth. And, um, Dr. Namat Minoush Shafiq, the president was not about

00:49:20.480 to fall into the same trap or so she thought she tried to sound reasonable. She did her level best

00:49:27.580 to sound like a normie, but it started to fall apart quickly on cross-examination. So here's the answer

00:49:34.780 she gave to Ilhan Omar, by the way, whose daughter has just been suspended from Barnard, which is right next

00:49:41.800 to Columbia for what she's doing on the Columbia campus. So Ilhan Omar, yeah, you can make the

00:49:47.380 argument. Maybe shouldn't have been the one questioning since she's got a daughter directly 0.91

00:49:51.120 involved in what's happening on Columbia university's campus. So Ilhan Omar decides to question, uh,

00:49:56.440 Shafiq about the nature of the protests on Columbia's campus. And here was Shafiq's first claim.

00:50:03.840 Take a listen.

00:50:04.340 One of my colleagues asked you, have you seen anti-Muslim protests on campus?

00:50:12.700 I have seen, we have, we have had pro-Israeli demonstrations on campus.

00:50:16.860 No, no, no. But, but just a protest that was against Muslims.

00:50:20.340 No, I have not.

00:50:20.940 Have you seen one against the Arabs?

00:50:22.680 No, I have not.

00:50:23.400 Have you seen one against, uh, Palestinians?

00:50:26.120 No, I have not.

00:50:26.780 Have you seen against one against Jewish people?

00:50:30.320 Have you seen a protest saying we are against Jewish people?

00:50:36.620 No, I have, I have seen.

00:50:38.340 Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. There has been a rise in targeting and harassment

00:50:44.100 against anti-war protesters because it's been pro-war and anti-war protesters is what it seems

00:50:52.020 like. Correct?

00:50:53.400 Correct. There has been.

00:50:54.220 Okay. Thank you.

00:50:55.200 Okay. So there she is under oath saying she has not seen a protest that's anti-Jewish on

00:51:02.320 Columbia's campus. Um, au contraire, because at least Stefanik arrived with the receipts.

00:51:09.620 Listen to this.

00:51:11.880 And Dr. Shafiq, you realize that at some of these events, the slurs and the chants have 0.98

00:51:17.900 been F the Jews, death to Jews, F Israel, no safe place, death to the Zionist state. 0.99

00:51:25.200 Jews out. You don't think those are anti-Jewish? 1.00

00:51:27.900 Completely anti-Jewish. 0.89

00:51:29.360 Completely unacceptable.

00:51:29.980 So you changed your testimony on that issue as well?

00:51:32.260 So there have been anti-Jewish protests.

00:51:34.540 I didn't get to finish my sentence. So what I was going to say was there were protests that

00:51:39.040 were called that were, that have.

00:51:41.760 That's not what you were asked. You were asked, were there any anti-Jewish protests?

00:51:44.940 And you said no.

00:51:46.100 So the protest was not labeled as an anti-Jewish protest.

00:51:49.480 I'm not asking what it was labeled.

00:51:50.760 It was labeled as an anti-Israeli government policy.

00:51:52.520 Well, the question wasn't what it was labeled, but anti-Semitic incidents happen or anti-Semitic

00:51:56.940 things were said. So I just wanted to finish.

00:51:59.060 It is an anti-Jewish protest. You agree with that? You change your testimony?

00:52:03.780 Anti-Jewish things were said at protests. Yes.

00:52:10.600 Thank you for changing your testimony.

00:52:12.200 Wow. Look at her bob and weave, Charles. She's caught red-handed. And I firmly believe

00:52:20.840 if Elise Stefanik had not brought the receipts, she would not have amended her testimony to

00:52:25.320 clarify the, oh, maybe the death to Jews thing was a little anti-Jewish.

00:52:29.960 It's just, it's so alien to me that anyone would try to cover that up, right?

00:52:45.840 I mean, if you watch people who are being cross-examined in a courtroom, in a criminal trial, when

00:52:54.640 the price that they will pay, if they don't convince the world or the jury of their narrative

00:53:05.280 is conviction and punishment, you can comprehend why they might lie, dissemble, try to wriggle

00:53:17.440 out of the conversation. But in that circumstance, it's really insidious. I mean, why, why would

00:53:27.680 you do that? She didn't seem particularly surprised by Elise Stefanik's receipts, as you put it.

00:53:37.520 She seemed to know that that had happened. So why mischaracterize it in the first place?

00:53:42.800 I mean, Elie and Omar actually did not do anyone a favor by essentially badgering a witness that

00:53:51.600 seemed friendly and giving her an excuse to say, well, I didn't get to finish my sentence

00:53:57.520 and I was being asked narrow questions and so forth. But this is the thing that I find the most

00:54:05.520 alarming about this. It's the root question here. It's the same root question that I had after I saw

00:54:12.640 the testimony from the presidents of Harvard and Penn and MIT. Why? You're in front of Congress. You should

00:54:20.720 understand that the behavior and the rhetoric that we're discussing is abhorrent. Why not just concede

00:54:31.840 what we can all see, what Elise Stefanik had notes confirming, and then debate what it is that should

00:54:40.320 be done about it? It's reasonable to disagree as to what the environment should be like on a college

00:54:46.240 campus. Where does free speech start and end? How much do you want colleges, especially private

00:54:52.320 colleges, to be superintending protests and so on and so forth? But they just can't get past the first

00:54:58.080 hurdle. And I think this comes back to what we were discussing in the previous segment, which is

00:55:02.240 ideological fanaticism. I think at some point universities, and especially those who have risen up

00:55:08.240 in the universities, have come to believe, or at least to promise fealty to, a bizarre ideology that

00:55:18.320 sorts everyone into oppressor or oppressed, puts them in a hierarchy, and will not brook any evidence

00:55:26.000 to the contrary, sees any discussion to the contrary as a threat. I think that's what we're seeing here,

00:55:32.480 and it underscores why it is so important for us to get rid of that and go back to the pursuit of truth

00:55:39.200 and equality as it was conceived by the great thinkers, not people who came up with their

00:55:44.400 frameworks 10 minutes ago. Now she reminded me, we don't have cats, we're dog people, but my friend

00:55:49.680 had a cat and I was with her one day when she was taking the cat to go to the vet. And you try to get

00:55:53.840 that cat into the little carrier, you know, a house cat. And I mean, it is like they get super cat

00:56:01.760 strength. They're more like tigers. You know, the claws are in like, no, I'm not going there.

00:56:07.680 And that's what she reminded me of. No, it wasn't anti-Jewish. Death to Jews, it could be ambiguous.

00:56:15.440 Only when pressed did she have to say the death to the Jew thing was, it was a little, it was a little 0.99

00:56:21.480 anti-Jew. Okay, you got me there. But the protest itself, I'm sure, Jim, was absolutely lovely. I'm sure

00:56:27.980 it was rainbows and unicorns. And everyone was saying, yeah, him Israel. I mean, it's like,

00:56:33.500 who does she think she's kidding? Megan, the rainbows and uniforms were at the LGBT 0.96

00:56:38.620 rally just down the street, actually. That's, that's, you're mixing the two up there.

00:56:43.120 That was a very frustrating exchange to watch because I had, you got the feeling that the

00:56:47.780 university president, sensing the trap, she could see the, the, the trigger and the claws that were

00:56:53.760 about to come up, wanted to indicate that she is a university president, did not approve of some of

00:56:59.800 the chants and stuff like that. And Ilhar Omar's questioning was very much, you know, yes or no,

00:57:04.800 I'm not going to let you finish. And clearly, Congresswoman Omar wants us to believe that the

00:57:09.580 major problem we've seen on college campuses over the last six months or so has been an explosion of

00:57:14.860 anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim, uh, nasty rhetoric and violence and threats and all that

00:57:21.080 stuff. Excuse me. I just, I couldn't swallow that even describing that. Um, and this idea that, 0.98

00:57:28.380 you know, ah, you know, maybe there's some anti-Jewish stuff here and there, but really

00:57:31.140 you got to look out for that anti-Muslim bias on, on Ivy League college campuses. No, no, that's

00:57:35.800 exactly, it's very much the opposite now. Uh, and she also kept saying, you know, were there any

00:57:39.580 protests that were, you know, touted as anti-Jewish? Well, very rarely did the anti-Semites come out and

00:57:45.120 say, Hey, we're holding a big anti-Semitic rally. Who else hates the Jews? Yeah. So here's, I've had, 0.87

00:57:52.180 what they always do is they say, this isn't an anti-Jewish rally. We're tearing down the menorah 0.65

00:57:57.160 on campus because we're anti-Zionist. Wink, wink. You know, um, and I, I understand, I suppose I 0.99

00:58:04.120 believe that theoretically you could have someone who is vehemently opposed to the actions of the

00:58:08.860 government of Israel, but that doesn't have any, you know, uh, lurking anti-Semitism under the

00:58:14.820 surface in their soul. I just have yet to meet that person. Every single person. You'd be, if you

00:58:20.840 were those people rallying and there were a bunch of people hijacking your rally to say the Jews 0.99

00:58:26.180 should die. You might be like, you're not part of us. Well, if you're at rallying outside the 0.98

00:58:31.660 Israeli consulate to the UN up in New York, or if you're rallying outside the Israeli embassy in DC,

00:58:35.920 okay, at least you're directing your criticism at an institution of the Israeli government.

00:58:41.420 Notice how many of these protests are outside synagogues, outside JCCs, outside campus Hillel's.

00:58:47.240 Those aren't representatives of the Israeli government, but you know what they have there?

00:58:50.860 American Jews. So at that point, you're kind of like, look, I couldn't find any Israelis,

00:58:55.640 but these are Jews. They'll do. They're just as good. And I, yeah.

00:58:59.200 Yeah. They're Jew adjacent. They're, they're Israeli adjacent, actual Jews. Um, it went on just 0.88

00:59:05.000 not for nothing, but there was a one professor who after 10, seven Joseph Massad, he's the chair

00:59:10.900 of the school arts and sciences academic review committee. And he's tenured who after 10, seven,

00:59:16.160 he called the terror attack. Awesome. On Israel, astonishing, astounding, incredible. He couldn't

00:59:21.900 get enough of all the dead babies and children tortured. And, um, when Shafiq was asked about him,

00:59:28.740 she answered, he's been spoken to he's, we, I mean, he received quite the tongue. We gave him a stern

00:59:36.100 talking to out back behind the woodshed, you know, it's in his permanent file now, Jim.

00:59:41.680 There you go. Then she tried to claim he'd been removed. What is it? Fat, dumb, and stupid is no

00:59:47.720 way to go through life, son. Um, they claimed he'd been removed as chair of the committee, 1.00

00:59:52.300 but then Stefanik cross-examined Shafiq and got her to admit he's actually still listed as chair.

00:59:58.040 He has not been removed. And actually his term as chair was already set to end after this semester.

01:00:06.020 So they just waited it out, right? He's got another month to go. They gave him no punishment other than

01:00:11.160 he's been spoken to. It's fine. You can call a disgusting terror attack that took the lives of

01:00:16.260 1200 innocents, including babies as just, you know, we should, you can call it wonderful and

01:00:20.980 inspirational and all the other adjectives I listed. Uh, awesome. No problem. It's same. That's

01:00:27.700 the same person who's not really seeing anti-Jewish protests exactly on campus. Now that leads me to

01:00:33.940 the next piece of this, which is the Columbia students are out there that pro, you know, students

01:00:39.360 for justice in Palestine students are out there. They've been protesting. Um, they're annoying. 0.62

01:00:45.220 They're bothering everybody on campus. This is the thing where they got support from Ilhan Omar's

01:00:49.360 daughter who came over from Barnard and people are getting suspended for their bad behavior.

01:00:55.560 Now they would like to point to themselves as the victim because this past January,

01:01:02.100 there was an incident on the campus of Columbia as follows. This is via the Columbia spectator,

01:01:09.360 the newspaper. You're going to love this one, Charles. This one's for you.

01:01:11.920 The protesters at that particular event, the pro Palestinian folks were allegedly sprayed with a

01:01:19.880 hazardous chemical while attending this pro Palestinian divest now rally. 18 students reported

01:01:26.840 a putrid smell during or after the protest. 10 reported physical symptoms like burning eyes,

01:01:31.520 headaches, and nausea. Three sought medical attention and eight reported damage to their personal

01:01:36.920 belongings. Two students expressed concerns about their safety and three students identified the

01:01:43.840 substance as a chemical that was developed by the Israeli firm odor tech and employed by the Israeli

01:01:52.700 military against demonstrators in the West bank, like literally a chemical weapon developed by 0.78

01:02:00.600 the Israelis. And instead, it turns out, according to the free beacon, which has done some good

01:02:06.300 reporting on this, it was, um, what the kids and other college campuses might refer to as fart spray.

01:02:13.500 It was actual, forgive me for the F word, but that's what it's called. You spray it in like a college 0.88

01:02:24.060 dorm to gross out your fraternity brothers. And I'm only familiar with this because my husband,

01:02:30.080 Doug loves the Instagram videos of this thing being deployed and has familiarized me with these

01:02:39.060 videos and thus this product. And I decided to share one with you, which is now being described

01:02:44.020 as a chemical weapon by the poor pro Palestinian protesters. Watch this.

01:02:49.640 a little bit. I know it. It's two guys, I think, are highest fishing. One guy's about to spray it.

01:03:00.620 Yeah, come in here in a minute.

01:03:04.480 Just sprayed it.

01:03:06.300 I don't see anything over that way.

01:03:08.100 You guys want him?

01:03:15.620 I want his stomach, babe.

01:03:19.080 God, what the matter? 0.99

01:03:20.980 You just beggar self? 0.95

01:03:22.960 Oh, man. 0.88

01:03:24.000 Oh, man.

01:03:25.020 I don't know.

01:03:26.580 Oh, man.

01:03:27.300 Oh.

01:03:27.780 maybe maybe they have a point charles i don't it looked pretty unpleasant i don't think it was

01:03:50.200 developed by the idf however yeah you initially said that these protesters had been spayed and

01:03:56.560 i thought wow we really have got something going for us we've reached that level of

01:04:00.740 there's an idea that does look pretty unpleasant but it does show you doesn't it that everything

01:04:09.200 always comes back when dealing with anti-israel or anti-jewish protest is to conspiracy theories

01:04:18.200 there's always some secret thing the jews have whether it's a space laser or a chemical weapon 1.00

01:04:23.600 or they control the banks it's just the immediate instinct even when it's you know

01:04:30.400 fart spray yeah that's exactly right that and they're the students are still angry uh that they

01:04:37.820 weren't visited by administrators no one was checking to see how they were uh the colombian

01:04:44.120 president the colombia president who we just saw president shafiq she also repeated the claim at a

01:04:50.220 meeting of the university senate demonstrators were sprayed with a toxic chemical and the free

01:04:55.980 beacon goes on to say it now appears that the toxic toxic chemical was a harmless fart spray purchased

01:05:00.180 on amazon for 26 dollars and 11 cents and now there's a lawsuit filed against colombia um by a student who'd

01:05:06.700 been suspended over the incident saying it was a gag gift for adults and and kids that he got off the

01:05:13.320 internet he sprayed it in the air not at any particular individual he says it was a harmless expression of 0.96

01:05:18.760 speech and the product just in case those of you want to play this at home is called liquid ass

01:05:23.500 i think it really is more of an aerosol than liquid uh but but by the way by the way i i apparently if

01:05:33.900 a student confessed to it fine i was perfectly prepared to believe that in fact some protester

01:05:39.800 had simply farted and really wasn't did not want to admit it you know the the rules of he who smelt it

01:05:47.500 dealt it uh were no longer in effect and basically was a matter of no no it wasn't me guys it was the

01:05:54.000 jews it was clearly the israelis clearly they have some sort of biological chemical weapon it had nothing 0.99

01:05:59.380 to do with the burrito and chili i had for lunch and that's that's what this outcome came to wow you

01:06:05.040 know this episode's gone south you you can't get this kind of banter over on the editors okay there's

01:06:10.900 just i could have to talk to rich about upping his game okay but speaking of snot-nosed brats on 0.99

01:06:21.040 college campuses let's meander over to cornell and also speaking of professors who celebrated the 10-7

01:06:26.660 attacks remember that guy who was on camera like i'm invigorated i'm excited anyway that's cornell's

01:06:31.920 been like ground zero for the pro-palestinian anti-israel anti-jewish rhetoric well ann coulter

01:06:39.200 in a separate story this isn't about israel this is about immigration decided to go to cornell and

01:06:44.280 give a speech she went to cornell undergrad i think either cornell law or undergrad in any event i think

01:06:50.420 she went to michigan undergrad whatever it was um she went and she got invited back and not long

01:06:54.900 ago she was shouted down in the middle of her remarks to where she couldn't even spit them out 0.78

01:06:59.520 um she got chased off campus and she she got like 20 minutes out of an hour delivered before she had 1.00

01:07:05.720 to leave in an unsafe situation so the head of the university said why don't you come back and we're

01:07:11.040 going to have a second go at it so she did she went back and when the announcement was made that she was

01:07:16.620 going to come back there was outrage on the campus uh at the mere fact that she might show up and tuesday 0.96

01:07:22.860 night she did it and the name the the title of the event was immigration the conspiracy to end

01:07:28.380 america well this time they had the the students apparently in hand it was the faculty that behaved

01:07:36.160 terribly in particular an assistant professor of interpersonal communication oh the irony take a look

01:07:44.880 at professor monica cornejo and her reaction to anne's presence don't touch me don't touch me

01:07:51.440 do not touch me get off me what's under what under what for this would be perfect

01:07:58.480 okay that's just a sampling this woman had been sitting there giving anne the finger repeatedly 1.00

01:08:14.120 after about the sixth outburst that's when the cops came and took her away she had accused everyone

01:08:19.060 in the room of being a racist because they were there to listen to anne and then when the cops came

01:08:24.740 to arrest her to get her out of there she decided to try to set the limitations on whether they could 0.63

01:08:30.960 lay hands on her played the faculty card and by the way just a little background on her she got her 0.99

01:08:36.060 doctorate at uc santa barbara two years ago now of course she's a professor at cornell and she herself

01:08:43.160 is a quote undocumented immigrant uh first undocumented tenure track faculty at cornell so

01:08:52.000 to me what stood out in this is the sense of entitlement she's not even in this country legally

01:08:58.600 she got a job at an ivy league university she's put on the tenure track anne colder has a different

01:09:05.700 point of view and she thinks she can show up give her the finger call everyone there a racist in this

01:09:11.060 country she's made her own and then when the cops try to impose some law and order guys she decides 1.00

01:09:16.880 to set the terms don't touch me if that's not for you to decide madam you're under arrest get up and

01:09:23.000 get out and we will touch you and we'll put the handcuffs on you i'm seeing this more and more when

01:09:28.900 the leftists get arrested jim they have a meltdown about how it's done has to be done on their terms 0.52

01:09:35.560 i'm sorry megan i was just sending an email to ins giving them a hot tip uh i think i may have found

01:09:40.780 someone who's in the country illegally and that they really in fact this person's probably hold

01:09:45.980 office hours this is not going to be somebody that's gonna be difficult to track down and uh and

01:09:50.680 detain um you you put your finger on this and by the way i kind of have this this you know it's hard

01:09:57.640 to shake the feeling that someone who believes that u.s immigration laws do not apply to her

01:10:02.640 uh because she's special because she's better than than everyone else she doesn't have to but

01:10:08.200 that other uh rules would not apply that you know well you you can't expect her to be quiet while

01:10:13.600 someone else is speaking you can't expect her to not be disruptive because she's special the the rules

01:10:18.860 the laws none of that applies to her because she's one of the chosen ones um by the way also i think

01:10:24.720 this is something strange like one of the arguments for the pro-free speech side is that

01:10:30.040 repugnant speech generally repulses if you genuinely believe that when ann coulter shows up

01:10:35.880 and says immigration is a conspiracy to end america or something like that which by the way i i think i

01:10:40.940 i vehemently disagree and i i don't want to speak for charlie i'm going to go out on a limb and say

01:10:45.100 he's probably pretty darn pro-legal immigrant being a legal immigrant himself um i i think if you let if

01:10:51.460 you really believe somebody's viewpoint is odious and spectacularly wrong and inconsistent with the

01:10:58.620 constitution inconsistent with our laws and consistent with our uh traditions in this country

01:11:03.460 then they will self nullify that they will self that actually in a way by keeping them from being

01:11:10.420 able to present their case you're doing them a favor ironically i'm thinking back to the uh the two

01:11:15.420 debates we had in 2020 where trump decided to bulldoze over biden and with chris wallace uh moderating

01:11:23.080 and everybody said it went very badly because there was so much crosstalk back and forth biden got to speak

01:11:27.560 more in the second uninterrupted in the second debate and that's what he said he was going to

01:11:31.000 get rid of oil and gas and was totally like if you'll let biden talk he's going to get himself in

01:11:36.140 trouble if you really think that ann coulter is that repugnant a person you don't want to interrupt

01:11:42.500 her you want to give her the stage you want to give her the opportunity to marginalize herself with 0.92

01:11:46.940 what she's going to say and i think it betrays an absolute lack of faith in their own arguments i think

01:11:51.280 it betrays an absolute that oh no my students who i'm teaching on a regular basis they are mind numb

01:11:58.020 drones who if they're allowed to listen to ann coulter will suddenly turn into these terrible

01:12:03.220 xenophobes who hate all immigrants and all that kind of stuff so i i think in a way this is both

01:12:08.280 constitutionally wrong but also i think just kind of a um what makes for an effective argument uh that

01:12:14.160 attempting that the heckler's veto is actually a sign of weakness it is a sign of doubt in the uh strength

01:12:20.380 of your own arguments because you're afraid what will happen if other people get to hear the side

01:12:25.460 that you oppose so vehemently charlie i can't help but remember this incident we covered in the show

01:12:32.200 sometime within the last year where there was this young obviously woke woman who got pulled over for 0.98

01:12:38.720 drunk driving by cops i can't remember where but we have the video and the whole exchange was this

01:12:44.960 extremely polite officer trying to do his duty and figure out whether she was drunk and behind the

01:12:51.260 wheel of an automobile she had allegedly made a u-turn and was driving against the traffic in the

01:12:56.580 wrong way and trying to deal with this woman's obsessive list of her many conditions and the way she 1.00

01:13:03.760 insisted on him referring to her and behaving toward her we actually pulled it just because this now

01:13:09.820 tenure track illegal immigrant professor at cornell reminded me a lot of her look at this i'll play

01:13:16.760 it in part like really bad social anxiety and stuff i get you this person

01:13:21.820 right back here please miss perry am i i'm non-binary so okay what do you go by

01:13:34.240 this is kai how can i refer to you tonight kai okay hey i'm smelling alcohol i know how much have

01:13:40.560 you consumed tonight like probably three drinks i need to run you through some tests right now

01:13:44.420 stand facing me please but i just want you to know that i also have very bad social anxiety

01:13:49.040 you and me both okay any recent head trauma traumatic brain injuries anything i need to know about

01:13:56.540 uh mental yes focus on my finger please i am you're just like trying to intimidate me i don't know

01:14:05.920 how i'm trying to do that this is the test as you know as an indigenous person and there's a bunch of 0.99

01:14:11.120 going around i'm sorry but it's just for me to be on my toes i get you can you remember that i told you

01:14:20.240 that i'm non-binary yeah i'll try my hardest i'll refer to you as kai right yes perfect i need to

01:14:28.180 know if you have any injuries or anything that would prevent you from doing a standard walk or a

01:14:31.460 turn tonight mental health um any physical injuries mental yeah can you not call me man please i'm trying

01:14:41.500 my hardest okay okay it means a lot to me i'm trying my hardest i don't feel like a man so okay it's kind of

01:14:49.080 triggering right foot in front of your left nope go back i'm sorry but the whole man thing just

01:14:54.480 like i apologize let's see if we can move forward from it yeah i just want to tell you that i suffer

01:15:00.600 from really bad anxiety especially with generational trauma and ptsd around white people and clots

01:15:11.340 sleep it's just it's just you're gonna get i don't don't resist

01:15:18.840 i'm sorry it's the same person in a different body charles

01:15:25.060 yeah so a couple things first jim was half joking by saying he was gonna tell the ins

01:15:35.160 ass but shouldn't they go deport her i've never understood this it was the same with jose antonio 0.91

01:15:43.680 vargas when he was running around the country saying he came on my show i'm an illegal immigrant 0.94

01:15:49.460 all right we know where you are because you're speaking at thursday night at the y in manhattan

01:15:56.260 go back to the country you're allowed to be in i mean we either have a system or we don't but 0.59

01:16:03.520 that aside you know what astonishes me about that video and the the story you told is that

01:16:10.320 the people who behave like this they want to have it both ways on the one hand they set themselves up

01:16:20.300 as implacable opponents of a system that they say they want to destroy a system that is illegitimate

01:16:27.680 a system whose rules should not be held to apply to them but at the same time they invoke those rules

01:16:37.280 and demand that they be upheld to a t so you have the farcical spectacle not so much in that video

01:16:46.780 but in other instances where people say the united states is a racist imperialist colonialist nation

01:16:54.680 whose constitution is illegitimate it's founded on stolen land etc etc etc also invoking the first

01:17:04.720 amendment and the fourth amendment and the fifth amendment and so on and so forth the the police 0.83

01:17:12.720 are the offshoots of slave patrols uh they're full of white supremacists cisgendered patriarchal men who

01:17:21.540 are trying to keep people of other backgrounds down but also they've read the police uh rules 0.99

01:17:28.860 and they've determined that the uh officer is not following them you you just cannot have it both

01:17:36.720 ways you you can't be perry mason in one circumstance um but uh communist revolutionary in another

01:17:45.040 it's amazing to me that was russ nelson's video that we showed of the woman the professor the full

01:17:52.220 video of the professor don't touch me do not touch me i'm a faculty member you know she's got this sense

01:17:58.260 of entitlement that that's like the theme that we're seeing through all these people jim you know

01:18:02.960 and this to charles's point i i think katherine marr has it too um it's it's paired with a knee-jerk 1.00

01:18:11.580 instinct to condemn men whites colonialists meaning our founding father our fathers anyone right

01:18:20.140 they're sanctimonious better than attitude i'm just sick of it and when you come up in the face of law 0.81

01:18:24.900 enforcement who the hell would be like don't touch me it's a cop you're being placed under arrest 0.86

01:18:31.240 shut the you know what up and comply so megan i think you're probably an exceptional driver but

01:18:40.040 i'm going to guess at some point in your life you've probably been pulled over yes it's scary

01:18:44.540 it's scary for everyone okay and charlie i know you like to hot rod in your golf cart uh down in florida

01:18:50.660 i'm sure at some point you've been pulled over i have indeed okay has anyone ever had a more polite

01:18:56.760 or decent or kind cop than that one with that professor in that video oh my god did this guy

01:19:02.080 bend over backwards to be that both the most kind and this was like officer care bear this was the

01:19:07.540 most you know like please the next time and by the way i have one speeding ticket to my micro in my

01:19:12.760 entire life it you know it was not a particularly pleasant experience no look it was she says she has

01:19:17.300 social anxiety hey you know what when you've had three drinks and you get pulled over everyone has

01:19:22.180 social anxiety you know who doesn't have social anxiety in that situation someone who had four

01:19:26.780 drinks at that point you're just so relaxed you don't care um but it was just like you know

01:19:31.280 i have social like yeah yeah you should because you've been drunk driving that's right just i wrote

01:19:36.480 them down non-binary indigenous social anxiety mental health issues don't call me ma'am triggering uh

01:19:43.740 reasonably or very bad really bad anxiety generational trauma ptsd around whites 0.62

01:19:49.660 that was the nicest cop yeah you know i i grew up reading richard scary sergeant murphy wasn't that

01:19:56.960 nice uh when it came to pulling people over the the paw patrol is a little rougher on people than

01:20:02.940 that cop was with that drunk driver so you know just just mind-boggling demonstration and talk about

01:20:08.960 like refuting the stereotypes refuting the narrative of you know because you know again

01:20:14.340 as you mentioned anybody who gets pulled over by cops generally most cops are professional but even

01:20:21.260 in that circumstance you're like oh how much trouble am i going to be in was i go how much was i going

01:20:25.160 over the limit you know um you know black white whatever you are like you always want to you know

01:20:30.480 not always you know have your hands very clear you don't want to suddenly reach for anything or

01:20:34.680 anything like that like it could be a it's a stressful experience at the very best of circumstances

01:20:39.240 and this cop is just about as as you know nice as dr seuss couldn't write a cop nicer than that you

01:20:46.400 know and it's just care bear yeah if i may make that the obvious point as well that is such an

01:20:52.260 offensive inversion of who is the victim in that scenario and who is the perpetrator luckily that cop

01:20:59.900 pulled her over but she was driving a car drunk she's the bad guy the person who thankfully was not

01:21:08.420 the victim was the man or woman or non-binary spirit animal somewhere down the road that she could 0.95

01:21:15.360 have hit and potentially killed or maimed it is such a disgusting display when the person who is doing

01:21:23.400 something wrong one of the worst things you can do actually is drive a car while intoxicated

01:21:29.360 turns it around so that she's she i could hear her now so please stop calling me so that kai yeah so

01:21:40.220 that kai is is the victim she's she's not the victim no this this is like the woman on uh in the 0.93

01:21:49.220 backyard of berkeley law dean erwin chemerinsky who hijacked his event brought out mr microphone started

01:21:56.460 lecturing everybody in arabic and then when they threw her out played the victim i mean that they 0.96

01:22:00.400 always do and now is wanting him fired this is like it's it's a playbook you can follow it now

01:22:05.020 speaking of non-binary spirit animals we have a story we were told it wasn't true but it's true 1.00

01:22:10.660 i mean that furries are coming to a school near you well guess what they're apparently all over the

01:22:17.080 school in utah to the point where the human students took to protest outside of the school

01:22:26.120 and we'll show you that and we have an interview with an adult furry who's got thoughts on all of

01:22:32.760 this it's i don't make the news cycle i just report on it charles and jim stay with us we'll be right

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01:23:34.300 three months free offer details apply so you might think that campus lunacy only happens in places like

01:23:46.700 columbia but no we go to more of red state utah and take a look at this now this is one of those things

01:23:54.880 i have been telling my audience about this for a long time i told them about a woman i know

01:24:00.380 who she had she knows she has a friend who hired a young woman out of a good college she was totally 1.00

01:24:09.480 normal in the interview process she gets into the firm she shows up for the first day of work

01:24:16.340 dressed like a tiger she says she identifies as a tiger and this is a person who has to interact with

01:24:23.580 clients now he's convinced this is a whole just a thing to like get him to fire her so she can sue him

01:24:29.520 right some sort of a payout who knows but what are you supposed to do in these circumstances it's not

01:24:34.340 exactly a gender thing but these so-called furries are trying to glom on to the transgender thing which

01:24:40.740 is protected under the law now thanks to the supreme court you can thank gorsuch presiding with the

01:24:45.240 liberals on that and um that brings me to this school district where there are kids who claim that

01:24:53.920 they are furries in this class it's the mount nebo middle school though for the record the school

01:25:00.400 superintendent or spokesperson is pushing back on the claim but i'll let the viewers decide you can

01:25:05.140 listen to the children protesting their presence outside what happened was the children in pace in

01:25:10.440 utah i said that we're having a walkout over the students who are in this school wearing animal 0.91

01:25:18.120 costumes and allegedly identifying as furries they claim that these so-called furries are growling

01:25:24.300 and biting them at school growling at and biting them in school and the children again this is middle

01:25:31.020 school have had enough uh this is a clip that we have here hold on a second i'll get you who it's from i

01:25:37.620 think it's uh life is driving posted this adam bartholomew on x take a listen to these kids

01:25:45.760 the furries were attacking you guys in class is that right yes they fight they fight kids they

01:26:02.800 bite people they will bite ankles the principal doesn't make them get in trouble yeah all the

01:26:09.440 principal says is just be kind be nice be nice how else do they attack you guys they either bite us they

01:26:15.380 scratch us they they pounce on people they pounce on us they run on all boards and pounce on people

01:26:24.080 go near them within like 10 a 10 feet circle otherwise the teachers will kind of get mad at us

01:26:30.140 okay how old are the kids that are dressed like furries

01:26:32.780 they're like 11 12 they're 13 and they shouldn't be allowed to they bring they bring dog bowls to this

01:26:39.780 principal hasn't stopped to stop her daughter is a furry and she supports it and she if we get bit

01:26:48.560 oh my god all right you heard the allegations they run on all fours they pounce on us they bite us

01:27:02.540 they eat their lunches out of bowls i'm gonna be honest i saw this at first because i i've heard

01:27:07.880 more and more reports of this it happens at colleges and it happens at younger schools now and i thought

01:27:11.420 is this one big punk is this the one big punk by these kids because it's so outlandish but no it's

01:27:16.520 being reported on by all the local news stations and the school district spokesperson has issued a

01:27:21.360 statement uh they're trying to downplay what's happening but they're not denying that there's

01:27:25.940 an issue they're saying um okay no students they claim are coming to school dressed in full body

01:27:33.420 animal costumes that's that's the distinction some come wearing headbands that may have ears on them

01:27:41.300 um and they claim they don't describe themselves as furries okay that's not an effective denial i

01:27:51.260 believe the children you guys have kids you can tell those 11 12 and 13 year like that's legit they've

01:27:57.740 got examples at the ready they would like to walk us through them they're holding up signs that read

01:28:04.080 compelled speech is not free speech they're supported by their parents who are also very angry

01:28:10.020 and the most telling part was why do you think they do this and the kids said they want attention

01:28:15.680 so this is absolutely outlandish that these kids are being forced to deal with this who would like to

01:28:21.860 take a shot at the furry problem

01:28:24.620 charlie well you know megan i'll be in the on deck circle i'm ready to go when you are okay

01:28:33.480 you you listen to the editors and you probably know that i have a fairly simple test for a lot

01:28:40.620 of political questions and that is could you explain it to somebody at a bar without them either moving

01:28:48.500 away or searching on amazon for a straitjacket and i just think this is a great example of it i mean

01:28:55.440 if you just said to someone at a bar do you think that people should be able to go to school

01:29:03.020 dressed up as animals and then scurry around and bite children i don't think many of them would say

01:29:11.740 yeah yeah actually i did i mean they would say what what what are you talking about that is the most

01:29:22.260 insane thing i've ever heard but when i watched that i it almost felt like british satire like something

01:29:28.720 like brass eye i i'm my brain is struggling to believe that's right me too it was reported by the

01:29:35.220 blaze by the daily caller i mentioned the guy who posted that video and i said to my team go figure

01:29:40.780 out whether this is a real story and it is i mean as i say it was on the local news and the school

01:29:46.180 itself issued a statement on it this is absolutely unbelievable but but then not because i've been

01:29:51.620 hearing these stories we have a friend who's at myu who has been witnessing this firsthand um as i

01:29:57.620 mentioned i have another friend who's seeing this actually a friend who saw this come into her store

01:30:01.920 where the daughter wanted a dog collar and a leash okay i mean we could keep going and amazingly i think

01:30:09.400 it's a local abc affiliate jim you're going to be glad you went second um track down an actual furry

01:30:16.220 to comment on whether this is appropriate i give you the wisdom of strudel thank you this is strudel

01:30:25.660 a member of the furry fandom though they've been a furry for over a decade they have their own opinions

01:30:32.060 it's crazy that it's escalated to this point where these kids are being so distracting to their peers

01:30:37.320 that their peers want to stage a walkout so to have you know the next generation kind of muddy our name

01:30:43.520 and um not represent it very well it is kind of disappointing strudel believes there should be

01:30:49.700 some limits continue doing things you like continue dressing up um continue making art but

01:30:55.940 maybe let's keep it outside of school hours

01:30:58.820 strudel makes a lot of sense strudel's gesturing with his her big paws to make the 1.00

01:31:09.960 the voice strudel's on our side now strudel is going to be called an uncle rudolph uh that for

01:31:19.060 for a you know representing a sellout to the furry american community uh for not standing on principle

01:31:25.460 um look but going back by the way to your anecdote of the woman who aced the job interview and then

01:31:30.700 showed up dressed up like a tiger uh who did that young woman think she was former oregon democratic 0.99

01:31:36.240 congressman david woo that's going deep into the way back machine there but for guys he dressed like

01:31:41.520 a member of congress oh you did you ever saw the pictures he dressed like so he lost his marbles

01:31:46.420 that that'd be the scientific technical term for the mental deterioration that turned there and

01:31:51.040 apparently he like would like to dress up and just walk around at that and just like i think went to an

01:31:55.180 airport one day dressed up like an airport um his entire staff knew that he was at david wook this

01:32:00.460 is this probably want to say the 2010 somewhere um and he everybody his entire staff knew that he

01:32:05.820 was cuckoo for cocoa puffs but all kept him on ballot and made sure that he got re-elected

01:32:11.020 because we couldn't have a republican in that district good heavens no that that you know much 0.61

01:32:15.300 better that we have the guy who is crazier than murdoch on the a-team uh let's let's have him in the

01:32:20.720 house and then he resigned um so this this is the maybe patient zero in the furry outbreak there

01:32:26.820 um can you believe how easy it was for abc4 to just go find some what was that was that a fox

01:32:32.780 was it a dog i don't know what probably the the no it probably was the national organization of

01:32:37.480 furry americans nofa and um they probably are listed there probably online you know 1-800 dial

01:32:44.080 a furry there's probably some way if you need a furry my guess is craigslist probably some other

01:32:50.160 social media app you could probably find exactly the furry by they you know to charles's point with the

01:32:56.160 pronouns like they were very careful to be respectful of strudel i guess strudel doesn't

01:32:59.240 go by he or she it's a they when you began this you began this is campus madness and my first thought

01:33:04.400 was okay this is kids dress this is college students dressing up in their full furry outfits

01:33:08.720 and when it comes to crazy behavior on college campuses yes sometimes in politics but this sounded

01:33:15.120 a bit more like some hot girl was into it and tons of other guys like yeah i'm into that too

01:33:20.480 absolutely yeah i love being a furry quick find my own halloween costume whatever it takes

01:33:24.880 not every high school mascot well that 11 and 12 no that's not what's happening the the details of

01:33:31.980 what they're doing to the other children are pretty specific a one word as to all the children say that

01:33:37.280 the principal's daughter is a furry and that's why the principal allows this just a quick google search

01:33:43.140 didn't show any children for this particular principal but that doesn't mean google's up to date or

01:33:48.880 she didn't you know adopt one or have a stepdad i have no idea what the situation is but the

01:33:53.060 anecdote like what turns this into not a funny story is the fact that there are reports of kids

01:33:57.800 biting other kids and they say they spray the furry spray febreze on them sometime in their eyes

01:34:05.420 why that's why they need the heart spray we were talking about earlier this guy this whole podcast

01:34:10.620 comes full circle it's just semi-seriously though like yeah um we dealt with biting in the

01:34:17.200 garrity household in daycare pre-preschool where i have two teenagers thank you for your prayers uh

01:34:24.740 older one was the bitey uh my my older teenager was the one who'd uh much more like my younger one was

01:34:31.240 the biter pin at three strikes and you're out that for preschool for daycare right well at the high 0.96

01:34:37.460 at a middle school well you know you know jesse and you know johnny they've always been biters and so 0.91

01:34:43.960 this is only there's six or seven biting of us why are you like how is that not automatically

01:34:48.020 you're out of there how yeah i i this does feel like some sort of onion or babylon there's also

01:34:54.040 a no mask rule there which the students say that they allow these students of course to violate they

01:34:58.780 don't i mean they don't get in trouble is what they claim well i guess that's how old were your

01:35:03.420 were your kids jim when you managed to stop them spraying febreze at each other

01:35:08.860 oh i can't get them to do that now what is that wait of all the things teenagers could be doing

01:35:15.720 spraying febreze is really not the worst of it i could live with some of that what is that weapon

01:35:21.100 i mean how did you think you're right what is it it's not like they looked at the animal kingdom

01:35:25.420 and said to be authentic furries we have to spray febreze at each other that's a good point i don't i

01:35:31.020 don't understand it either i mean the worst thing we've had in our house has been the whoopee cushion

01:35:34.760 which of course is every 11 year old while he's a 10 now every 10 year old boy's dream i mean he

01:35:39.320 can't get enough of them it's like they they break very easily but if you combine that with the fart

01:35:43.940 spray you're in the sweet spot gentlemen i'll leave it on that lovely note charlie and jim only here

01:35:49.480 on the megan kelly show can you have these discussions it's been a pleasure always enjoy it

01:35:53.740 megan thank you for having us yes this is exactly the conversation i thought i would have when i woke up

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 18, 2024

Biden's New Cannibal Lie, Trump Jurors Bounced, and NPR's Decline, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty ｜ Ep. 770

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