Biden's New Cannibal Lie, Trump Jurors Bounced, and NPR's Decline, with Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty ｜ Ep. 770
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171.0578
Summary
Trump's trial resumes in New York City today, and a new juror has been dismissed, and another one may be about to go as well. The judge chastised the media for revealing too much information about the jurors, including their names, age, marital status, and family status.
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Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.
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live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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It was the oncology nurse we talked about yesterday,
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And now he's upset because one of the jurors said,
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She's lucky she has any cloak of anonymity around her at all.
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and it looks like we're about to lose another one,
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about reporting too many details about these jurors.
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they're not allowed to report employers anymore,
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and the judge did not limit place of employment,
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So this is all part of the official transcript,
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charles uh i know you can't go by crowd size and predicting who's going to get elected otherwise trump would have won
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2020 as well but that's harlem new york and uh trump is like a hero yeah i i think as you say you can't go by crowd size but what it does tell us is something interesting about the two candidates in that biden is if he is going to win going to win because he's the safe option
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and he's the way he's the way to win guys and peepib Conti and bring him toÑ—
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he's not she knows will be this 무엇 to win like he is he's the guy that people huge
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he's the guy that people who don't like trump for reasons good and bad think that they have to vote for
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he's not somebody that anyone in america seems to be enthused about he's not
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he's not bill clinton he's not ronald reagan he is there whereas trump
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whereas Trump inspires responses, inspires reactions, both good and bad, and for good and
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bad reasons. But he is somebody who does not yield yawns or the question who. Everyone knows who he
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is, and they know what he's about. And you're going to see a lot of that in the election.
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But I do think you were right in your introduction to the question to note that this dynamic also
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obtained in 2020. In fact, Joe Biden hid away for most of that election, and he still won.
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And I think this question is going to be, this election is going to be about which
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candidate can maintain their hold on suburban middle class voters. Biden has a problem with
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them because of inflation and crime and his treatment of Israel. And Trump has a problem
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with them because he's uncouth, because of what he did at the end of the last election,
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which was a disgrace, because he's still disciplined. And, you know, I think that's
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going to be where the elections won or lost, not in crowd size.
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The problem for Joe Biden is not only that, you know, it's kind of an interesting bumper
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sticker. I'm here. I'm here. But for Joe Biden, he's there. Hadn't heard anybody phrase it quite
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so succinctly is his the recommendation for him. The problem for Americans, my fellow Americans
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have a proud tradition of existence. Exactly. That's the early 1940s. Me and corn pop to do.
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Do you guys happen to see the video on X yesterday of that woman in Brazil who tried to get some bank
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loan or payment that was owed to her uncle, who is dead by wheeling the dead body in there.
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There's disturbing video, too disturbing to show. She's got the dead uncle in the bank with her.
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And you could see this is a dead man. And she's trying to pretend that he's alive. And she's
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talking to him to try to get him to sign these. However, it would financially benefit her.
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I mean, you know, I was just going to say it looked a little familiar. You know,
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That's not quite there. We're still with. I'm here.
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But not making a lot of sense, Jim. Not making a lot of sense, because I got to tell you,
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about Uncle Bossy. He can't go two seconds without telling another familial lie,
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something about his background, his son, what have you. The latest one is about Uncle Bossy,
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to whom he was paying tribute as a World War II vet who died during World War II. And take a listen to
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what President Biden claimed about his long lost uncle.
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We called him Uncle Bossy. He was shot down. He was in the Army Air Corps before there was an
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Air Force. He flew single engine planes, reconnaissance flights over New Guinea. He had volunteered
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because someone couldn't make it. He got shot down in an area where there were a lot of cannibals
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at the time. They never recovered his body, but the government went back when I went down there
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and they checked and found some parts of the plane and the light.
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Okay, so virtually none of that. It was true. There is a dead uncle. He died in World War II,
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was not in a single engine. He was in a double engine plane, was not shot down. Officials say that
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they don't know what happened to the plane, but both engines failed. We know this because three died in
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the ocean, including his uncle, and one survived and went on to tell us what happened. There were
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Megan, the cannibals swam out to the bottom of the ocean to where the plane was, and then they ate my
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uncle. By the way, when you were playing that video of Biden in the restaurant earlier and you noticed how
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nonchalant everyone was, that the President of the United States just walked in there,
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I noticed that quite a few folks were seated and remained seated when the President came in,
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which is, I believe, a violation of protocol. Even if there isn't a band there playing Hail to
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the Chief, like, Megan, if Joe Biden shuffled his feet into your studio right now and said,
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Megan, I got to tell you about my uncle and how the cannibals ate him and how terrible that was.
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It was right around, it was a little before I fought Corn Pop. You'd rise to your feet out of
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respect for the office, not necessarily an appreciation of them. Like, you just would do
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it, like, because that's what you do for the President, whether you like the guy or you don't
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like the guy. So one, it's kind of like, you know, some part of me as an American is a little
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disappointed to see people not rising when the President enters a room, whether or not they
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like him. And then the second thing is that this story, we've gotten used to the President
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talking about his conversations with Helmut Kohl, who died been a year, Francois Mitterrand,
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who died lots of years. He mixed up Haifa and Rafa. Like, okay, we're all kind of used to this.
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But as a result of this, Biden really has no communications oomph anymore. He only does
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events from between, like, you know, after 10 a.m. and before 4 p.m., doesn't do a lot of night
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events other than the State of the Union once a year. Usually one public event a day, doesn't,
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you know, goes back to Delaware. Even if Israel's about to be attacked, he goes back to Delaware
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every weekend. And he just doesn't, you know, he reads off the teleprompter. His staff is terrified
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of him going off the teleprompter. And we've all gotten used to it. And we know that if he tells
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a story, you know, I was raised in a Puerto Rican, Jewish, African-American neighborhood,
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and that's how I was raised. We know this is all nonsense. We've heard these stories from our
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grandparents and our parents, and we love our parents and our grandparents. But we put up with
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those stories because we love our elderly relatives. We don't love Joe Biden. He's just a guy who showed up
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here. Yeah. Or as the new inspiring slogan Charlie just came up with, he's here. That's all you can
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say. He's present for now. Present for now. That's it. I might have to show the video. It's
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disturbing. This is not the first lie about an uncle. I know it's bad, but I like you kind of
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can't take your eyes off of it. Uncle Frank, he lied about Uncle Frank. Remember, he said Uncle
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Frank received a Purple Heart. He said this back in October. My uncle won the Purple Heart
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in the Battle of the Bulge. And you guys fact checked it and said, no, we didn't. There was
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there was no absolutely no evidence that Frank Biden received a Purple Heart, either while dead or
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posthumously. His name does not appear on the two major databases of honorees, Traces of War or the
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National Purple Heart Hall of Honor. So no Purple Heart for Uncle Frank and no cannibals.
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For Uncle Finnegan. But he continues to spew all of this stuff. Now, you mentioned the
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Haifa thing. This is actually kind of interesting and worthy of a soundbite. We're going to play
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it. This is really clear. The Israelis are thinking about moving into Rafa. And there's
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been a lot of news about whether they should, whether this is an appropriate pause. You know,
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a lot of people really want Israel to take care of it, to finish Hamas off by going into
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Rafa. And this is what Biden said, Satu. And I made it clear to Israelis, don't move
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on Haifa. It's just not. I mean, anyway, I just. Look what we did recently when Israel was attacked.
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OK. I mean, how many times does this have to happen, Charles, right before somebody over on
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the Democratic side says we're dead? He he can't make it to, as you point out, October or November.
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He can't make it. We're going to have one of these that's calamitous between now and then.
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Or is it just he's polling within one point of Trump now in the national polls? Things are
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tightening in the swing states. Shut up. Let's go. Brazilian dead uncle. That's the plan.
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Yeah, that's the plan. That's the plan. He is not up to being president. And one of the
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really irritating things about the polarized politics that we live with at the moment and
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about the fact that this is another election fought between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is
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that whatever you say about either person, someone will immediately pop up and say, but
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what about the other one? All right. But let's stipulate that. Let's say for the sake of argument
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that Donald Trump is disqualified from being president. Let's say that Donald Trump is a
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pathological liar. Then we can evaluate Biden. So Biden, as we established in the last segment,
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and anyone who has looked at the last 40 years of Biden's public career can attest, is a habitual
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liar. The man lies about everything. He makes up stories. He contradicts himself. He bends and twists
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other people's grief so that he can spin stories of his own suffering that mostly are not true.
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Biden's relationship with the truth is disgraceful. And saying, but what about Trump doesn't change
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that. The same is true with his abilities as a president or lack thereof. Again, forget Trump.
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I'm not saying this is the view that everyone should take. But just for the sake of this conversation,
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let's say everything that everyone says about Trump is true. Now let's talk about Biden and that clip.
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There is no one. There is no one in this country who would look at that man absent a desire for him to
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beat someone else and say he should be president. He is quite clearly in and of itself per se unfit to be
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president. He's too old. He doesn't know what's going on. He projects no confidence or ability
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or knowledge. I don't mean this in a conspiratorial sense. Quite clearly his staff are running the show.
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This is embarrassing. It's a huge problem. And all you need to do if you want confirmation of this
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is ask people in other countries who tend to be left of center relative to the United States,
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whether or not they think Joe Biden is up to being president. And they will laugh immediately.
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They will laugh and say, no, he looks like a skull. This is a problem. And I think because we've got
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into this horrendous dichotomy, once again, Trump v. Biden, hurrah, then we've almost lost our ability
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to evaluate and interrogate these questions in and of themselves without reference to the other
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person. But once you do it, you want to have a very stiff drink very soon.
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Very true. You're running to the corner bar. All right, you guys, I'm going to do it. I'm sorry.
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The team pulled it and I'm going to show it. This is a lot of buildup to the listening audience. Go to
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youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. If you'd like to see here's the editorial. This is per Colin Rugg,
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who posted it on X. Oh, God, there she is. She's in Brazil. They say this is her uncle. It's his corpse.
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They say he died two hours before this. She has him in the bank. She was pushing his lifeless body.
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Oh, God, through the mall. She claims he died sitting in the wheelchair at the bank.
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But the police say it's a lie. And she's now facing charges, including attempted theft by fraud
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and vilification of a corpse. I'm sorry, but there's there's some sort of metaphor to be
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gleaned from this with respect to our own president. It's not quite that bad. I'm just
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saying the Democrats are prepared to go that far. You can tell like every day with a lapse of memory
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and the lies that come and the wandering and the muttering and the thinking dead people are alive
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legitimately and that live people are dead, that they're just going to pursue the Brazil,
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the Brazilian bank plan. It's just he's going in the wheelchair and they're just going to keep
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telling us not to believe our lying eyes. I'm not going to make you comment on that video.
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Stand by. I am going to take a break. Oh, did you want to say something? Yes, go ahead.
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Can you imagine what must have happened for a group of legislators to sit down and write a law
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about vilification of a corpse? What was it that inspired that one being added to the Brazilian co?
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You're afraid to ask. It's bad. It's just very bad. All right. Stand by. One break. Right back.
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We have these guys for the show, which I'm thrilled about.
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News from inside the courtroom. They're arguing over the temperature in the room. Some of the jurors are
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cold and they would like it to be made a little bit warmer. I guarantee it's the women. Ladies,
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I'm with you. This is the biggest benefit of being my own boss here in my own studio. I can have it
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at 76. I know most men find this an abomination. Charles is shaking his head vigorously. No,
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I will tell you if they win that fight, Trump's going to be unhappy because he likes it like the
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Arctic. Having interviewed him in September, I had to post pictures of me holding hand warmers.
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It was like 55 degrees in his golf club in New Jersey, and I was dying. But anyway,
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here's another piece. The now dismissed juror, the older Puerto Rican man married with adult children
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who says his hobby is his family, blah, blah, blah. He's been dismissed. He found Trump fascinating
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and mysterious, and he may have not disclosed arrests, although that's unconfirmed as of now.
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The prosecution alleged it. Now he's been bounced. And in a brief interview outside the courtroom,
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the juror declined to give his name, can you blame him, and said he did not want to answer
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questions. But he nodded when asked if he thought he could be unbiased and shook his head when asked
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if he felt at all intimidated in the courtroom, asked if he thought he should have been dismissed.
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He walked hurriedly by his umbrella, pulled low, and gave a one word answer. Nope. After the jury
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was dismissed, this is from the Washington Post, Trump lawyer Todd Blanche asked whether the
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temperature in their courtroom could be turned up just one degree. That's interesting. That wasn't
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for Trump. It must have been for his co-counsel, who I think is a woman. Rashawn said no. If we turn
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it up one, it's going to go up about 30 degrees. Okay. So that's the latest from inside the courtroom.
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Goodbye to the older gentleman from Harlem. Okay. Moving on. I want, I don't know where to start
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because there's like so much other goodness to get to. Let's spend a minute on the NPR CEO and which
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has led to, there's a, there's a civil war going on inside of NR right now on who this crazy lunatic
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Catherine Marr really is. Thanks to Chris Rufo. We have a lifetime worth of absurd, woke tweets,
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woker than woke. She gives Kendi a run for his money. She's from Connecticut. Like my kids are going
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to have to say they are, although they raised in New York first 10 years. Um, she is, you know,
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her mother's a state Senator. She's guilty about it all. She can't really stand the fact that she's
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a white woman from Connecticut. And here's just a little bit of the latest that's been surfaced
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about her. Um, this is from, let's see, May of 2021, a virtual conference with the Knight First
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Amendment Institute at Columbia university and listen to her in 2021. I started by talking about
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the idea of free and open as some of our founding principles. I have come to the opinion and the
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perspective that free and open was a way of looking at the world that was inherently limited relative
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to what we were trying to achieve. Free and open has the best of intentionality, but in the end,
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what free and open often ended up doing, particularly in the case of Wikipedia was really
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recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics that exist offline prior to the advent of
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the internet and others. The ways in which we ascribe notability often really comes from sort of this
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white male, um, Westernized construct around who matters in societies and who is elevated and whose
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voices. And so some of these ideas of sort of this radical openness really did not end up with the
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intention, really did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be.
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Oh my God. Before I get Charles to weigh in on this, cause I know he's been fighting with our
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friend, Jeff, um, Jim, just the way she speaks, right? It's like, it's just the same way. All of
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these academics we see testify on Capitol Hill speak. It's a way these so-called academics like
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Kendi, I mentioned speak Robin DiAngelo. They take 20 words to say something that required one,
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and they do it in every phrase of every sentence. You have to work so hard just to understand what
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they're saying. You know, I kind of listened to that and think if listening to vice president
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Kamala Harris has become too complicated and sophisticated for you, then you're ready for,
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for Ms. Mark that this is the nice natural step beyond that to, uh, it's buzzword, uh, you know,
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woke phrasing buzzword, woke phrasing, and there's a rhythm to it. You begin to, Oh, and this is,
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you know, um, the other thing I know, Charlie and Jeff have been going out at Hammer and Tom,
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but I, I, I read about this today and I think what's somewhat like it's depressing, but almost
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refreshing is we've seen these kinds of journalistic scandal stories before, uh, Dan Rather, Jason
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Blair, maybe a little more recently, the, you know, freak out over the Tom Cotton op-ed at the New York
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Times. And very often you'll see the institution after, you know, the revelations come out. Oh, we,
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we, we really didn't do this as the way we should. We, we, we've, you know, we've let everybody down.
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We, we did not live up to our principles of reporting the news honestly and objectively.
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And we pledged to do better. We've seen this a million times and nothing ever changes. They
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never actually get any better, but there's a little, with this one NPR pretty much from the,
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everything that Berliner said in the op-ed at the free press is kind of like, you know,
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we don't think any of that's legitimate. We think we're doing a perfect job. There's nothing
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that we could be doing better. And we love ourselves just the way we are. And there's
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something kind of refreshing about that. They're not playing along with this idea of,
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oh no, we're bad. We must've done something better. They are proud. They're biased. NPR
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is the way it wants to be. And I doubt it will ever significantly change.
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Hmm. It's, it is like a, we're here, we're queer, get used to it kind of moment for them. Like
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suck it. The problem for us is we pay their salaries. So we're not really willing to recoil
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in surrender to them. Charles, explain the, the, the debate that you're having with Jeff
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is it Blahar is how you pronounce his last name at a national review about just what exactly we're
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seeing in this woman, what she actually is or isn't. So Jeff thinks that she's performing,
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that she's, um, worked out the best way to navigate the spaces in which she lives. And that way is to
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echo all of this guff. And I think she's, uh, what's the word? A freak. I think that she means
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it. If you look through her tweets and Chris Rufo has been highlighting some of the best ones,
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you find no difference at all between the missive she puts out when she's trying to
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argue something in the political world. And the missives that she puts out when she's just scrolling
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through the channels at home on TV. This is who she is. I think she is a cloistered zealot.
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I think at some point, I don't know when, maybe she was brought up like this. Maybe she picked it up
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at university. But I think at some point she has absorbed, swallowed whole, this preposterous
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progressive ideology with its frameworks and hierarchies and intentionalities. And she's
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unable to live in the world without processing quite literally everything she sees through its
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terms. And there's one tweet where she is angered by the racial and sexual makeup of an airport lounge
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that she's in. And then by the people sitting in the first class section, which she goes to great
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pains to say she only saw because she had to walk through it, which may have been true in that particular
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That, to me, is the behavior of an ideological fanatic, of somebody who lacks empathy. And she
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uses this word empathy all the time on her Twitter feed. And I'm sure she thinks of herself as
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empathetic because she thinks she has all the right opinions. But actually, empathy doesn't mean that at
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all. What empathy means is that you are aware of what other people think and feel and believe,
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and that you think that it has value, or at least you're prepared to spend some time
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understanding those people. The best way to become empathetic and the best way to understand yourself,
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in my opinion, is to have friends who roast you, who make fun of you, who laugh at you constantly,
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who make it clear to you affectionately, sure, what you are in the world, how you come across,
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what your flaws are, what you're good at. That is the best way to understand what it is that you
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project in the world. And just reading through, and I accept I don't know this person, but just reading
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through, she seems to both completely lack empathy about the country she lives in and people who think
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differently than she does, and also seems to have absolutely no sense of humor. And no one in her life
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who can say to her, you know, Catherine, what you've just said is crazy. You sound like a lunatic,
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You said something on NR about how she's one of the least self-aware people you've ever
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encountered. And I mean, I need to raise, especially because we mentioned you originally
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Hale from Great Britain, Meghan Markle. Hello. I'm sorry, but she, she is number one. This woman may
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be a close two, but there's nobody who's more unaware of how they come across than that one,
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except perhaps her husband, who's now, now we're stuck with Charlie, like you, you're a trendsetter.
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You came over here and you decided to stay, which was a win, but then he followed you. And now we're
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stuck with him because he's officially declared America as his residence. And to that, we say no.
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I would slightly challenge the causality you're implying there, that he in some way
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came over because I was here. I don't think it's my fault, Meghan. There's no chain migration between
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me and the royal family, thankfully. I'll let you slide. One more from this lunatic,
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Catherine Mair and NPR funding, SOT18. Take a listen.
00:44:36.200
The most written knowledge today has been written by white, colonial, European, North American
00:44:44.000
men. And so one of the things that we're really focused on is how do we think about correcting
00:44:48.620
the record? And so one of the first things we do is we measure the gaps. Who is missing on
00:44:52.980
Wikipedia? Women are missing. People of color are missing. People from the global South are
00:44:56.840
missing. Indigenous communities are missing. The history of Black Americans is missing. It's also
00:45:01.380
about going directly to these communities and saying, what do we need to change about ourselves?
00:45:06.000
You know, what about the experience of editing Wikipedia? What about the culture of Wikipedia?
00:45:09.840
What about the policies of Wikipedia need to change?
00:45:13.880
Oh, my God, Jim. Like, it's a problem just because history and so many white guys.
00:45:21.380
Yeah. Well, if Wikipedia really does lack contributions from women and coverage and
00:45:28.800
discussion of women, minorities, apparently, as she just still said there, all of African-American
00:45:34.160
history is missing from Wikipedia. I would blame the person who's been running Wikipedia for the last
00:45:38.960
few years, which I believe is Marr herself. You know, yeah, this is all kind of almost rote. I guess I
00:45:47.520
come down as an agnostic between the Charlie-Jeff division here. I don't even sure it really matters
00:45:51.940
much. At some point, it may be a matter of if, as Jeff suggests, she, you know, was echoing what
00:45:57.620
she felt was most needed to rise in the corporate ladder and the woke workplace to be the appropriate
00:46:03.240
choice, even for being a white woman from Connecticut. You stare into the abyss long enough,
00:46:07.880
it starts to stare back. You know, if she's playing a role, she may have lost herself in the role.
00:46:11.880
I think this is who she is. But yeah, like, you know, I think this is, this is exactly the person
00:46:19.420
NPR wants running it. The NPR is the way they are. They haven't gone out of business. They get
00:46:23.540
taxpayer money to cover things when things don't come in. They don't get enough sponsorships.
00:46:27.280
Okay. But on that front, we have, we have another minute. Well, should NPR funding be pulled?
00:46:32.180
Because no one's discussing that. I think like Ted Cruz said, nobody in Congress is really doing
00:46:36.440
anything about it. Well, most folks on the right have been saying for decades,
00:46:40.100
it should not be funded by the U S government. So yeah, you know, absolutely. It should be pulled,
00:46:43.680
you know, Megan. Yeah, go ahead. Can I take 20 seconds to argue with Jim
00:46:49.240
in addition to Jeff? I'll just line them all up, fight them. Um, the reason that I think it does
00:46:54.000
matter is that the response has to be different depending on who these people are. If people are
00:47:02.040
responding to incentives in elite institutions to behave like that, then your challenge is to change
00:47:07.780
the incentives. But if people are genuinely brainwashed, ideological fanatics who are like
00:47:14.540
that intrinsically and aren't acting, then you actually have a different problem. And as somebody
00:47:19.740
who wants to stop people behaving like this and talking like this and annoying everyone in America
00:47:25.080
with their output, I think it's quite important for us to determine what it is that's causing it.
00:47:30.420
Hmm. All right. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to move the ad and we have 40 more seconds before we
00:47:34.700
hit the hard break for Sirius XM. I, what do you, I mean, how do you address problem number two,
00:47:40.320
Charlie? Well, the first thing that you do is the institutions over which you have any control.
00:47:47.180
Um, you fire the people who want to divide us up into groups by race and sexual orientation and so on
00:47:55.340
and say, no, we stand for equality. Now, obviously that's in most cases, none of my business because
00:48:00.240
most institutions are private, although as customer, I might have a view, but NPR is publicly
00:48:05.200
funded. So you either take away their funding completely, which I favor and have done for
00:48:08.280
years long before this, or you say, we do not talk like that to Americans who disagree with us.
00:48:15.340
All right. Well, that's where we're going to pick it up on the opposite side. Don't go away,
00:48:18.020
Charlie and Jim stay with us. All right, guys. So if the plan is, as Charles posited,
00:48:26.860
that we need to find these people like the Catherine Mayers of the world who are running
00:48:31.220
Wikipedia and running NPR and, you know, ideally remove them from these leadership positions where
00:48:37.280
they can poison, uh, intoxify the industries that affect our information cover, our consumption and
00:48:44.280
affect our young, young people as they go through college. We're not doing very well. And that brings
00:48:49.920
me to Columbia where you may have seen, there are a couple of things going on Columbia university in
00:48:54.180
New York. Um, there was a hearing on Capitol Hill yesterday and they were cross-examining the president
00:49:01.700
of Columbia university, much as they did with the president, Claudine Gay of Harvard and the MIT
00:49:06.840
president and so on a few months ago, leading to Claudine Gay ultimately getting pushed out after her
00:49:12.440
plagiarism scandal was then on earth. And, um, Dr. Namat Minoush Shafiq, the president was not about
00:49:20.480
to fall into the same trap or so she thought she tried to sound reasonable. She did her level best
00:49:27.580
to sound like a normie, but it started to fall apart quickly on cross-examination. So here's the answer
00:49:34.780
she gave to Ilhan Omar, by the way, whose daughter has just been suspended from Barnard, which is right next
00:49:41.800
to Columbia for what she's doing on the Columbia campus. So Ilhan Omar, yeah, you can make the
00:49:47.380
argument. Maybe shouldn't have been the one questioning since she's got a daughter directly
00:49:51.120
involved in what's happening on Columbia university's campus. So Ilhan Omar decides to question, uh,
00:49:56.440
Shafiq about the nature of the protests on Columbia's campus. And here was Shafiq's first claim.
00:50:04.340
One of my colleagues asked you, have you seen anti-Muslim protests on campus?
00:50:12.700
I have seen, we have, we have had pro-Israeli demonstrations on campus.
00:50:16.860
No, no, no. But, but just a protest that was against Muslims.
00:50:26.780
Have you seen against one against Jewish people?
00:50:30.320
Have you seen a protest saying we are against Jewish people?
00:50:38.340
Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. There has been a rise in targeting and harassment
00:50:44.100
against anti-war protesters because it's been pro-war and anti-war protesters is what it seems
00:50:55.200
Okay. So there she is under oath saying she has not seen a protest that's anti-Jewish on
00:51:02.320
Columbia's campus. Um, au contraire, because at least Stefanik arrived with the receipts.
00:51:11.880
And Dr. Shafiq, you realize that at some of these events, the slurs and the chants have
00:51:17.900
been F the Jews, death to Jews, F Israel, no safe place, death to the Zionist state.
00:51:25.200
Jews out. You don't think those are anti-Jewish?
00:51:29.980
So you changed your testimony on that issue as well?
00:51:34.540
I didn't get to finish my sentence. So what I was going to say was there were protests that
00:51:41.760
That's not what you were asked. You were asked, were there any anti-Jewish protests?
00:51:46.100
So the protest was not labeled as an anti-Jewish protest.
00:51:50.760
It was labeled as an anti-Israeli government policy.
00:51:52.520
Well, the question wasn't what it was labeled, but anti-Semitic incidents happen or anti-Semitic
00:51:59.060
It is an anti-Jewish protest. You agree with that? You change your testimony?
00:52:12.200
Wow. Look at her bob and weave, Charles. She's caught red-handed. And I firmly believe
00:52:20.840
if Elise Stefanik had not brought the receipts, she would not have amended her testimony to
00:52:25.320
clarify the, oh, maybe the death to Jews thing was a little anti-Jewish.
00:52:29.960
It's just, it's so alien to me that anyone would try to cover that up, right?
00:52:45.840
I mean, if you watch people who are being cross-examined in a courtroom, in a criminal trial, when
00:52:54.640
the price that they will pay, if they don't convince the world or the jury of their narrative
00:53:05.280
is conviction and punishment, you can comprehend why they might lie, dissemble, try to wriggle
00:53:17.440
out of the conversation. But in that circumstance, it's really insidious. I mean, why, why would
00:53:27.680
you do that? She didn't seem particularly surprised by Elise Stefanik's receipts, as you put it.
00:53:37.520
She seemed to know that that had happened. So why mischaracterize it in the first place?
00:53:42.800
I mean, Elie and Omar actually did not do anyone a favor by essentially badgering a witness that
00:53:51.600
seemed friendly and giving her an excuse to say, well, I didn't get to finish my sentence
00:53:57.520
and I was being asked narrow questions and so forth. But this is the thing that I find the most
00:54:05.520
alarming about this. It's the root question here. It's the same root question that I had after I saw
00:54:12.640
the testimony from the presidents of Harvard and Penn and MIT. Why? You're in front of Congress. You should
00:54:20.720
understand that the behavior and the rhetoric that we're discussing is abhorrent. Why not just concede
00:54:31.840
what we can all see, what Elise Stefanik had notes confirming, and then debate what it is that should
00:54:40.320
be done about it? It's reasonable to disagree as to what the environment should be like on a college
00:54:46.240
campus. Where does free speech start and end? How much do you want colleges, especially private
00:54:52.320
colleges, to be superintending protests and so on and so forth? But they just can't get past the first
00:54:58.080
hurdle. And I think this comes back to what we were discussing in the previous segment, which is
00:55:02.240
ideological fanaticism. I think at some point universities, and especially those who have risen up
00:55:08.240
in the universities, have come to believe, or at least to promise fealty to, a bizarre ideology that
00:55:18.320
sorts everyone into oppressor or oppressed, puts them in a hierarchy, and will not brook any evidence
00:55:26.000
to the contrary, sees any discussion to the contrary as a threat. I think that's what we're seeing here,
00:55:32.480
and it underscores why it is so important for us to get rid of that and go back to the pursuit of truth
00:55:39.200
and equality as it was conceived by the great thinkers, not people who came up with their
00:55:44.400
frameworks 10 minutes ago. Now she reminded me, we don't have cats, we're dog people, but my friend
00:55:49.680
had a cat and I was with her one day when she was taking the cat to go to the vet. And you try to get
00:55:53.840
that cat into the little carrier, you know, a house cat. And I mean, it is like they get super cat
00:56:01.760
strength. They're more like tigers. You know, the claws are in like, no, I'm not going there.
00:56:07.680
And that's what she reminded me of. No, it wasn't anti-Jewish. Death to Jews, it could be ambiguous.
00:56:15.440
Only when pressed did she have to say the death to the Jew thing was, it was a little, it was a little
00:56:21.480
anti-Jew. Okay, you got me there. But the protest itself, I'm sure, Jim, was absolutely lovely. I'm sure
00:56:27.980
it was rainbows and unicorns. And everyone was saying, yeah, him Israel. I mean, it's like,
00:56:33.500
who does she think she's kidding? Megan, the rainbows and uniforms were at the LGBT
00:56:38.620
rally just down the street, actually. That's, that's, you're mixing the two up there.
00:56:43.120
That was a very frustrating exchange to watch because I had, you got the feeling that the
00:56:47.780
university president, sensing the trap, she could see the, the, the trigger and the claws that were
00:56:53.760
about to come up, wanted to indicate that she is a university president, did not approve of some of
00:56:59.800
the chants and stuff like that. And Ilhar Omar's questioning was very much, you know, yes or no,
00:57:04.800
I'm not going to let you finish. And clearly, Congresswoman Omar wants us to believe that the
00:57:09.580
major problem we've seen on college campuses over the last six months or so has been an explosion of
00:57:14.860
anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian and anti-Muslim, uh, nasty rhetoric and violence and threats and all that
00:57:21.080
stuff. Excuse me. I just, I couldn't swallow that even describing that. Um, and this idea that,
00:57:28.380
you know, ah, you know, maybe there's some anti-Jewish stuff here and there, but really
00:57:31.140
you got to look out for that anti-Muslim bias on, on Ivy League college campuses. No, no, that's
00:57:35.800
exactly, it's very much the opposite now. Uh, and she also kept saying, you know, were there any
00:57:39.580
protests that were, you know, touted as anti-Jewish? Well, very rarely did the anti-Semites come out and
00:57:45.120
say, Hey, we're holding a big anti-Semitic rally. Who else hates the Jews? Yeah. So here's, I've had,
00:57:52.180
what they always do is they say, this isn't an anti-Jewish rally. We're tearing down the menorah
00:57:57.160
on campus because we're anti-Zionist. Wink, wink. You know, um, and I, I understand, I suppose I
00:58:04.120
believe that theoretically you could have someone who is vehemently opposed to the actions of the
00:58:08.860
government of Israel, but that doesn't have any, you know, uh, lurking anti-Semitism under the
00:58:14.820
surface in their soul. I just have yet to meet that person. Every single person. You'd be, if you
00:58:20.840
were those people rallying and there were a bunch of people hijacking your rally to say the Jews
00:58:26.180
should die. You might be like, you're not part of us. Well, if you're at rallying outside the
00:58:31.660
Israeli consulate to the UN up in New York, or if you're rallying outside the Israeli embassy in DC,
00:58:35.920
okay, at least you're directing your criticism at an institution of the Israeli government.
00:58:41.420
Notice how many of these protests are outside synagogues, outside JCCs, outside campus Hillel's.
00:58:47.240
Those aren't representatives of the Israeli government, but you know what they have there?
00:58:50.860
American Jews. So at that point, you're kind of like, look, I couldn't find any Israelis,
00:58:55.640
but these are Jews. They'll do. They're just as good. And I, yeah.
00:58:59.200
Yeah. They're Jew adjacent. They're, they're Israeli adjacent, actual Jews. Um, it went on just
00:59:05.000
not for nothing, but there was a one professor who after 10, seven Joseph Massad, he's the chair
00:59:10.900
of the school arts and sciences academic review committee. And he's tenured who after 10, seven,
00:59:16.160
he called the terror attack. Awesome. On Israel, astonishing, astounding, incredible. He couldn't
00:59:21.900
get enough of all the dead babies and children tortured. And, um, when Shafiq was asked about him,
00:59:28.740
she answered, he's been spoken to he's, we, I mean, he received quite the tongue. We gave him a stern
00:59:36.100
talking to out back behind the woodshed, you know, it's in his permanent file now, Jim.
00:59:41.680
There you go. Then she tried to claim he'd been removed. What is it? Fat, dumb, and stupid is no
00:59:47.720
way to go through life, son. Um, they claimed he'd been removed as chair of the committee,
00:59:52.300
but then Stefanik cross-examined Shafiq and got her to admit he's actually still listed as chair.
00:59:58.040
He has not been removed. And actually his term as chair was already set to end after this semester.
01:00:06.020
So they just waited it out, right? He's got another month to go. They gave him no punishment other than
01:00:11.160
he's been spoken to. It's fine. You can call a disgusting terror attack that took the lives of
01:00:16.260
1200 innocents, including babies as just, you know, we should, you can call it wonderful and
01:00:20.980
inspirational and all the other adjectives I listed. Uh, awesome. No problem. It's same. That's
01:00:27.700
the same person who's not really seeing anti-Jewish protests exactly on campus. Now that leads me to
01:00:33.940
the next piece of this, which is the Columbia students are out there that pro, you know, students
01:00:39.360
for justice in Palestine students are out there. They've been protesting. Um, they're annoying.
01:00:45.220
They're bothering everybody on campus. This is the thing where they got support from Ilhan Omar's
01:00:49.360
daughter who came over from Barnard and people are getting suspended for their bad behavior.
01:00:55.560
Now they would like to point to themselves as the victim because this past January,
01:01:02.100
there was an incident on the campus of Columbia as follows. This is via the Columbia spectator,
01:01:09.360
the newspaper. You're going to love this one, Charles. This one's for you.
01:01:11.920
The protesters at that particular event, the pro Palestinian folks were allegedly sprayed with a
01:01:19.880
hazardous chemical while attending this pro Palestinian divest now rally. 18 students reported
01:01:26.840
a putrid smell during or after the protest. 10 reported physical symptoms like burning eyes,
01:01:31.520
headaches, and nausea. Three sought medical attention and eight reported damage to their personal
01:01:36.920
belongings. Two students expressed concerns about their safety and three students identified the
01:01:43.840
substance as a chemical that was developed by the Israeli firm odor tech and employed by the Israeli
01:01:52.700
military against demonstrators in the West bank, like literally a chemical weapon developed by
01:02:00.600
the Israelis. And instead, it turns out, according to the free beacon, which has done some good
01:02:06.300
reporting on this, it was, um, what the kids and other college campuses might refer to as fart spray.
01:02:13.500
It was actual, forgive me for the F word, but that's what it's called. You spray it in like a college
01:02:24.060
dorm to gross out your fraternity brothers. And I'm only familiar with this because my husband,
01:02:30.080
Doug loves the Instagram videos of this thing being deployed and has familiarized me with these
01:02:39.060
videos and thus this product. And I decided to share one with you, which is now being described
01:02:44.020
as a chemical weapon by the poor pro Palestinian protesters. Watch this.
01:02:49.640
a little bit. I know it. It's two guys, I think, are highest fishing. One guy's about to spray it.
01:03:27.780
maybe maybe they have a point charles i don't it looked pretty unpleasant i don't think it was
01:03:50.200
developed by the idf however yeah you initially said that these protesters had been spayed and
01:03:56.560
i thought wow we really have got something going for us we've reached that level of
01:04:00.740
there's an idea that does look pretty unpleasant but it does show you doesn't it that everything
01:04:09.200
always comes back when dealing with anti-israel or anti-jewish protest is to conspiracy theories
01:04:18.200
there's always some secret thing the jews have whether it's a space laser or a chemical weapon
01:04:23.600
or they control the banks it's just the immediate instinct even when it's you know
01:04:30.400
fart spray yeah that's exactly right that and they're the students are still angry uh that they
01:04:37.820
weren't visited by administrators no one was checking to see how they were uh the colombian
01:04:44.120
president the colombia president who we just saw president shafiq she also repeated the claim at a
01:04:50.220
meeting of the university senate demonstrators were sprayed with a toxic chemical and the free
01:04:55.980
beacon goes on to say it now appears that the toxic toxic chemical was a harmless fart spray purchased
01:05:00.180
on amazon for 26 dollars and 11 cents and now there's a lawsuit filed against colombia um by a student who'd
01:05:06.700
been suspended over the incident saying it was a gag gift for adults and and kids that he got off the
01:05:13.320
internet he sprayed it in the air not at any particular individual he says it was a harmless expression of
01:05:18.760
speech and the product just in case those of you want to play this at home is called liquid ass
01:05:23.500
i think it really is more of an aerosol than liquid uh but but by the way by the way i i apparently if
01:05:33.900
a student confessed to it fine i was perfectly prepared to believe that in fact some protester
01:05:39.800
had simply farted and really wasn't did not want to admit it you know the the rules of he who smelt it
01:05:47.500
dealt it uh were no longer in effect and basically was a matter of no no it wasn't me guys it was the
01:05:54.000
jews it was clearly the israelis clearly they have some sort of biological chemical weapon it had nothing
01:05:59.380
to do with the burrito and chili i had for lunch and that's that's what this outcome came to wow you
01:06:05.040
know this episode's gone south you you can't get this kind of banter over on the editors okay there's
01:06:10.900
just i could have to talk to rich about upping his game okay but speaking of snot-nosed brats on
01:06:21.040
college campuses let's meander over to cornell and also speaking of professors who celebrated the 10-7
01:06:26.660
attacks remember that guy who was on camera like i'm invigorated i'm excited anyway that's cornell's
01:06:31.920
been like ground zero for the pro-palestinian anti-israel anti-jewish rhetoric well ann coulter
01:06:39.200
in a separate story this isn't about israel this is about immigration decided to go to cornell and
01:06:44.280
give a speech she went to cornell undergrad i think either cornell law or undergrad in any event i think
01:06:50.420
she went to michigan undergrad whatever it was um she went and she got invited back and not long
01:06:54.900
ago she was shouted down in the middle of her remarks to where she couldn't even spit them out
01:06:59.520
um she got chased off campus and she she got like 20 minutes out of an hour delivered before she had
01:07:05.720
to leave in an unsafe situation so the head of the university said why don't you come back and we're
01:07:11.040
going to have a second go at it so she did she went back and when the announcement was made that she was
01:07:16.620
going to come back there was outrage on the campus uh at the mere fact that she might show up and tuesday
01:07:22.860
night she did it and the name the the title of the event was immigration the conspiracy to end
01:07:28.380
america well this time they had the the students apparently in hand it was the faculty that behaved
01:07:36.160
terribly in particular an assistant professor of interpersonal communication oh the irony take a look
01:07:44.880
at professor monica cornejo and her reaction to anne's presence don't touch me don't touch me
01:07:51.440
do not touch me get off me what's under what under what for this would be perfect
01:07:58.480
okay that's just a sampling this woman had been sitting there giving anne the finger repeatedly
01:08:14.120
after about the sixth outburst that's when the cops came and took her away she had accused everyone
01:08:19.060
in the room of being a racist because they were there to listen to anne and then when the cops came
01:08:24.740
to arrest her to get her out of there she decided to try to set the limitations on whether they could
01:08:30.960
lay hands on her played the faculty card and by the way just a little background on her she got her
01:08:36.060
doctorate at uc santa barbara two years ago now of course she's a professor at cornell and she herself
01:08:43.160
is a quote undocumented immigrant uh first undocumented tenure track faculty at cornell so
01:08:52.000
to me what stood out in this is the sense of entitlement she's not even in this country legally
01:08:58.600
she got a job at an ivy league university she's put on the tenure track anne colder has a different
01:09:05.700
point of view and she thinks she can show up give her the finger call everyone there a racist in this
01:09:11.060
country she's made her own and then when the cops try to impose some law and order guys she decides
01:09:16.880
to set the terms don't touch me if that's not for you to decide madam you're under arrest get up and
01:09:23.000
get out and we will touch you and we'll put the handcuffs on you i'm seeing this more and more when
01:09:28.900
the leftists get arrested jim they have a meltdown about how it's done has to be done on their terms
01:09:35.560
i'm sorry megan i was just sending an email to ins giving them a hot tip uh i think i may have found
01:09:40.780
someone who's in the country illegally and that they really in fact this person's probably hold
01:09:45.980
office hours this is not going to be somebody that's gonna be difficult to track down and uh and
01:09:50.680
detain um you you put your finger on this and by the way i kind of have this this you know it's hard
01:09:57.640
to shake the feeling that someone who believes that u.s immigration laws do not apply to her
01:10:02.640
uh because she's special because she's better than than everyone else she doesn't have to but
01:10:08.200
that other uh rules would not apply that you know well you you can't expect her to be quiet while
01:10:13.600
someone else is speaking you can't expect her to not be disruptive because she's special the the rules
01:10:18.860
the laws none of that applies to her because she's one of the chosen ones um by the way also i think
01:10:24.720
this is something strange like one of the arguments for the pro-free speech side is that
01:10:30.040
repugnant speech generally repulses if you genuinely believe that when ann coulter shows up
01:10:35.880
and says immigration is a conspiracy to end america or something like that which by the way i i think i
01:10:40.940
i vehemently disagree and i i don't want to speak for charlie i'm going to go out on a limb and say
01:10:45.100
he's probably pretty darn pro-legal immigrant being a legal immigrant himself um i i think if you let if
01:10:51.460
you really believe somebody's viewpoint is odious and spectacularly wrong and inconsistent with the
01:10:58.620
constitution inconsistent with our laws and consistent with our uh traditions in this country
01:11:03.460
then they will self nullify that they will self that actually in a way by keeping them from being
01:11:10.420
able to present their case you're doing them a favor ironically i'm thinking back to the uh the two
01:11:15.420
debates we had in 2020 where trump decided to bulldoze over biden and with chris wallace uh moderating
01:11:23.080
and everybody said it went very badly because there was so much crosstalk back and forth biden got to speak
01:11:27.560
more in the second uninterrupted in the second debate and that's what he said he was going to
01:11:31.000
get rid of oil and gas and was totally like if you'll let biden talk he's going to get himself in
01:11:36.140
trouble if you really think that ann coulter is that repugnant a person you don't want to interrupt
01:11:42.500
her you want to give her the stage you want to give her the opportunity to marginalize herself with
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what she's going to say and i think it betrays an absolute lack of faith in their own arguments i think
01:11:51.280
it betrays an absolute that oh no my students who i'm teaching on a regular basis they are mind numb
01:11:58.020
drones who if they're allowed to listen to ann coulter will suddenly turn into these terrible
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xenophobes who hate all immigrants and all that kind of stuff so i i think in a way this is both
01:12:08.280
constitutionally wrong but also i think just kind of a um what makes for an effective argument uh that
01:12:14.160
attempting that the heckler's veto is actually a sign of weakness it is a sign of doubt in the uh strength
01:12:20.380
of your own arguments because you're afraid what will happen if other people get to hear the side
01:12:25.460
that you oppose so vehemently charlie i can't help but remember this incident we covered in the show
01:12:32.200
sometime within the last year where there was this young obviously woke woman who got pulled over for
01:12:38.720
drunk driving by cops i can't remember where but we have the video and the whole exchange was this
01:12:44.960
extremely polite officer trying to do his duty and figure out whether she was drunk and behind the
01:12:51.260
wheel of an automobile she had allegedly made a u-turn and was driving against the traffic in the
01:12:56.580
wrong way and trying to deal with this woman's obsessive list of her many conditions and the way she
01:13:03.760
insisted on him referring to her and behaving toward her we actually pulled it just because this now
01:13:09.820
tenure track illegal immigrant professor at cornell reminded me a lot of her look at this i'll play
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it in part like really bad social anxiety and stuff i get you this person
01:13:21.820
right back here please miss perry am i i'm non-binary so okay what do you go by
01:13:34.240
this is kai how can i refer to you tonight kai okay hey i'm smelling alcohol i know how much have
01:13:40.560
you consumed tonight like probably three drinks i need to run you through some tests right now
01:13:44.420
stand facing me please but i just want you to know that i also have very bad social anxiety
01:13:49.040
you and me both okay any recent head trauma traumatic brain injuries anything i need to know about
01:13:56.540
uh mental yes focus on my finger please i am you're just like trying to intimidate me i don't know
01:14:05.920
how i'm trying to do that this is the test as you know as an indigenous person and there's a bunch of
01:14:11.120
going around i'm sorry but it's just for me to be on my toes i get you can you remember that i told you
01:14:20.240
that i'm non-binary yeah i'll try my hardest i'll refer to you as kai right yes perfect i need to
01:14:28.180
know if you have any injuries or anything that would prevent you from doing a standard walk or a
01:14:31.460
turn tonight mental health um any physical injuries mental yeah can you not call me man please i'm trying
01:14:41.500
my hardest okay okay it means a lot to me i'm trying my hardest i don't feel like a man so okay it's kind of
01:14:49.080
triggering right foot in front of your left nope go back i'm sorry but the whole man thing just
01:14:54.480
like i apologize let's see if we can move forward from it yeah i just want to tell you that i suffer
01:15:00.600
from really bad anxiety especially with generational trauma and ptsd around white people and clots
01:15:11.340
sleep it's just it's just you're gonna get i don't don't resist
01:15:18.840
i'm sorry it's the same person in a different body charles
01:15:25.060
yeah so a couple things first jim was half joking by saying he was gonna tell the ins
01:15:35.160
ass but shouldn't they go deport her i've never understood this it was the same with jose antonio
01:15:43.680
vargas when he was running around the country saying he came on my show i'm an illegal immigrant
01:15:49.460
all right we know where you are because you're speaking at thursday night at the y in manhattan
01:15:56.260
go back to the country you're allowed to be in i mean we either have a system or we don't but
01:16:03.520
that aside you know what astonishes me about that video and the the story you told is that
01:16:10.320
the people who behave like this they want to have it both ways on the one hand they set themselves up
01:16:20.300
as implacable opponents of a system that they say they want to destroy a system that is illegitimate
01:16:27.680
a system whose rules should not be held to apply to them but at the same time they invoke those rules
01:16:37.280
and demand that they be upheld to a t so you have the farcical spectacle not so much in that video
01:16:46.780
but in other instances where people say the united states is a racist imperialist colonialist nation
01:16:54.680
whose constitution is illegitimate it's founded on stolen land etc etc etc also invoking the first
01:17:04.720
amendment and the fourth amendment and the fifth amendment and so on and so forth the the police
01:17:12.720
are the offshoots of slave patrols uh they're full of white supremacists cisgendered patriarchal men who
01:17:21.540
are trying to keep people of other backgrounds down but also they've read the police uh rules
01:17:28.860
and they've determined that the uh officer is not following them you you just cannot have it both
01:17:36.720
ways you you can't be perry mason in one circumstance um but uh communist revolutionary in another
01:17:45.040
it's amazing to me that was russ nelson's video that we showed of the woman the professor the full
01:17:52.220
video of the professor don't touch me do not touch me i'm a faculty member you know she's got this sense
01:17:58.260
of entitlement that that's like the theme that we're seeing through all these people jim you know
01:18:02.960
and this to charles's point i i think katherine marr has it too um it's it's paired with a knee-jerk
01:18:11.580
instinct to condemn men whites colonialists meaning our founding father our fathers anyone right
01:18:20.140
they're sanctimonious better than attitude i'm just sick of it and when you come up in the face of law
01:18:24.900
enforcement who the hell would be like don't touch me it's a cop you're being placed under arrest
01:18:31.240
shut the you know what up and comply so megan i think you're probably an exceptional driver but
01:18:40.040
i'm going to guess at some point in your life you've probably been pulled over yes it's scary
01:18:44.540
it's scary for everyone okay and charlie i know you like to hot rod in your golf cart uh down in florida
01:18:50.660
i'm sure at some point you've been pulled over i have indeed okay has anyone ever had a more polite
01:18:56.760
or decent or kind cop than that one with that professor in that video oh my god did this guy
01:19:02.080
bend over backwards to be that both the most kind and this was like officer care bear this was the
01:19:07.540
most you know like please the next time and by the way i have one speeding ticket to my micro in my
01:19:12.760
entire life it you know it was not a particularly pleasant experience no look it was she says she has
01:19:17.300
social anxiety hey you know what when you've had three drinks and you get pulled over everyone has
01:19:22.180
social anxiety you know who doesn't have social anxiety in that situation someone who had four
01:19:26.780
drinks at that point you're just so relaxed you don't care um but it was just like you know
01:19:31.280
i have social like yeah yeah you should because you've been drunk driving that's right just i wrote
01:19:36.480
them down non-binary indigenous social anxiety mental health issues don't call me ma'am triggering uh
01:19:43.740
reasonably or very bad really bad anxiety generational trauma ptsd around whites
01:19:49.660
that was the nicest cop yeah you know i i grew up reading richard scary sergeant murphy wasn't that
01:19:56.960
nice uh when it came to pulling people over the the paw patrol is a little rougher on people than
01:20:02.940
that cop was with that drunk driver so you know just just mind-boggling demonstration and talk about
01:20:08.960
like refuting the stereotypes refuting the narrative of you know because you know again
01:20:14.340
as you mentioned anybody who gets pulled over by cops generally most cops are professional but even
01:20:21.260
in that circumstance you're like oh how much trouble am i going to be in was i go how much was i going
01:20:25.160
over the limit you know um you know black white whatever you are like you always want to you know
01:20:30.480
not always you know have your hands very clear you don't want to suddenly reach for anything or
01:20:34.680
anything like that like it could be a it's a stressful experience at the very best of circumstances
01:20:39.240
and this cop is just about as as you know nice as dr seuss couldn't write a cop nicer than that you
01:20:46.400
know and it's just care bear yeah if i may make that the obvious point as well that is such an
01:20:52.260
offensive inversion of who is the victim in that scenario and who is the perpetrator luckily that cop
01:20:59.900
pulled her over but she was driving a car drunk she's the bad guy the person who thankfully was not
01:21:08.420
the victim was the man or woman or non-binary spirit animal somewhere down the road that she could
01:21:15.360
have hit and potentially killed or maimed it is such a disgusting display when the person who is doing
01:21:23.400
something wrong one of the worst things you can do actually is drive a car while intoxicated
01:21:29.360
turns it around so that she's she i could hear her now so please stop calling me so that kai yeah so
01:21:40.220
that kai is is the victim she's she's not the victim no this this is like the woman on uh in the
01:21:49.220
backyard of berkeley law dean erwin chemerinsky who hijacked his event brought out mr microphone started
01:21:56.460
lecturing everybody in arabic and then when they threw her out played the victim i mean that they
01:22:00.400
always do and now is wanting him fired this is like it's it's a playbook you can follow it now
01:22:05.020
speaking of non-binary spirit animals we have a story we were told it wasn't true but it's true
01:22:10.660
i mean that furries are coming to a school near you well guess what they're apparently all over the
01:22:17.080
school in utah to the point where the human students took to protest outside of the school
01:22:26.120
and we'll show you that and we have an interview with an adult furry who's got thoughts on all of
01:22:32.760
this it's i don't make the news cycle i just report on it charles and jim stay with us we'll be right
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three months free offer details apply so you might think that campus lunacy only happens in places like
01:23:46.700
columbia but no we go to more of red state utah and take a look at this now this is one of those things
01:23:54.880
i have been telling my audience about this for a long time i told them about a woman i know
01:24:00.380
who she had she knows she has a friend who hired a young woman out of a good college she was totally
01:24:09.480
normal in the interview process she gets into the firm she shows up for the first day of work
01:24:16.340
dressed like a tiger she says she identifies as a tiger and this is a person who has to interact with
01:24:23.580
clients now he's convinced this is a whole just a thing to like get him to fire her so she can sue him
01:24:29.520
right some sort of a payout who knows but what are you supposed to do in these circumstances it's not
01:24:34.340
exactly a gender thing but these so-called furries are trying to glom on to the transgender thing which
01:24:40.740
is protected under the law now thanks to the supreme court you can thank gorsuch presiding with the
01:24:45.240
liberals on that and um that brings me to this school district where there are kids who claim that
01:24:53.920
they are furries in this class it's the mount nebo middle school though for the record the school
01:25:00.400
superintendent or spokesperson is pushing back on the claim but i'll let the viewers decide you can
01:25:05.140
listen to the children protesting their presence outside what happened was the children in pace in
01:25:10.440
utah i said that we're having a walkout over the students who are in this school wearing animal
01:25:18.120
costumes and allegedly identifying as furries they claim that these so-called furries are growling
01:25:24.300
and biting them at school growling at and biting them in school and the children again this is middle
01:25:31.020
school have had enough uh this is a clip that we have here hold on a second i'll get you who it's from i
01:25:37.620
think it's uh life is driving posted this adam bartholomew on x take a listen to these kids
01:25:45.760
the furries were attacking you guys in class is that right yes they fight they fight kids they
01:26:02.800
bite people they will bite ankles the principal doesn't make them get in trouble yeah all the
01:26:09.440
principal says is just be kind be nice be nice how else do they attack you guys they either bite us they
01:26:15.380
scratch us they they pounce on people they pounce on us they run on all boards and pounce on people
01:26:24.080
go near them within like 10 a 10 feet circle otherwise the teachers will kind of get mad at us
01:26:30.140
okay how old are the kids that are dressed like furries
01:26:32.780
they're like 11 12 they're 13 and they shouldn't be allowed to they bring they bring dog bowls to this
01:26:39.780
principal hasn't stopped to stop her daughter is a furry and she supports it and she if we get bit
01:26:48.560
oh my god all right you heard the allegations they run on all fours they pounce on us they bite us
01:27:02.540
they eat their lunches out of bowls i'm gonna be honest i saw this at first because i i've heard
01:27:07.880
more and more reports of this it happens at colleges and it happens at younger schools now and i thought
01:27:11.420
is this one big punk is this the one big punk by these kids because it's so outlandish but no it's
01:27:16.520
being reported on by all the local news stations and the school district spokesperson has issued a
01:27:21.360
statement uh they're trying to downplay what's happening but they're not denying that there's
01:27:25.940
an issue they're saying um okay no students they claim are coming to school dressed in full body
01:27:33.420
animal costumes that's that's the distinction some come wearing headbands that may have ears on them
01:27:41.300
um and they claim they don't describe themselves as furries okay that's not an effective denial i
01:27:51.260
believe the children you guys have kids you can tell those 11 12 and 13 year like that's legit they've
01:27:57.740
got examples at the ready they would like to walk us through them they're holding up signs that read
01:28:04.080
compelled speech is not free speech they're supported by their parents who are also very angry
01:28:10.020
and the most telling part was why do you think they do this and the kids said they want attention
01:28:15.680
so this is absolutely outlandish that these kids are being forced to deal with this who would like to
01:28:24.620
charlie well you know megan i'll be in the on deck circle i'm ready to go when you are okay
01:28:33.480
you you listen to the editors and you probably know that i have a fairly simple test for a lot
01:28:40.620
of political questions and that is could you explain it to somebody at a bar without them either moving
01:28:48.500
away or searching on amazon for a straitjacket and i just think this is a great example of it i mean
01:28:55.440
if you just said to someone at a bar do you think that people should be able to go to school
01:29:03.020
dressed up as animals and then scurry around and bite children i don't think many of them would say
01:29:11.740
yeah yeah actually i did i mean they would say what what what are you talking about that is the most
01:29:22.260
insane thing i've ever heard but when i watched that i it almost felt like british satire like something
01:29:28.720
like brass eye i i'm my brain is struggling to believe that's right me too it was reported by the
01:29:35.220
blaze by the daily caller i mentioned the guy who posted that video and i said to my team go figure
01:29:40.780
out whether this is a real story and it is i mean as i say it was on the local news and the school
01:29:46.180
itself issued a statement on it this is absolutely unbelievable but but then not because i've been
01:29:51.620
hearing these stories we have a friend who's at myu who has been witnessing this firsthand um as i
01:29:57.620
mentioned i have another friend who's seeing this actually a friend who saw this come into her store
01:30:01.920
where the daughter wanted a dog collar and a leash okay i mean we could keep going and amazingly i think
01:30:09.400
it's a local abc affiliate jim you're going to be glad you went second um track down an actual furry
01:30:16.220
to comment on whether this is appropriate i give you the wisdom of strudel thank you this is strudel
01:30:25.660
a member of the furry fandom though they've been a furry for over a decade they have their own opinions
01:30:32.060
it's crazy that it's escalated to this point where these kids are being so distracting to their peers
01:30:37.320
that their peers want to stage a walkout so to have you know the next generation kind of muddy our name
01:30:43.520
and um not represent it very well it is kind of disappointing strudel believes there should be
01:30:49.700
some limits continue doing things you like continue dressing up um continue making art but
01:30:58.820
strudel makes a lot of sense strudel's gesturing with his her big paws to make the
01:31:09.960
the voice strudel's on our side now strudel is going to be called an uncle rudolph uh that for
01:31:19.060
for a you know representing a sellout to the furry american community uh for not standing on principle
01:31:25.460
um look but going back by the way to your anecdote of the woman who aced the job interview and then
01:31:30.700
showed up dressed up like a tiger uh who did that young woman think she was former oregon democratic
01:31:36.240
congressman david woo that's going deep into the way back machine there but for guys he dressed like
01:31:41.520
a member of congress oh you did you ever saw the pictures he dressed like so he lost his marbles
01:31:46.420
that that'd be the scientific technical term for the mental deterioration that turned there and
01:31:51.040
apparently he like would like to dress up and just walk around at that and just like i think went to an
01:31:55.180
airport one day dressed up like an airport um his entire staff knew that he was at david wook this
01:32:00.460
is this probably want to say the 2010 somewhere um and he everybody his entire staff knew that he
01:32:05.820
was cuckoo for cocoa puffs but all kept him on ballot and made sure that he got re-elected
01:32:11.020
because we couldn't have a republican in that district good heavens no that that you know much
01:32:15.300
better that we have the guy who is crazier than murdoch on the a-team uh let's let's have him in the
01:32:20.720
house and then he resigned um so this this is the maybe patient zero in the furry outbreak there
01:32:26.820
um can you believe how easy it was for abc4 to just go find some what was that was that a fox
01:32:32.780
was it a dog i don't know what probably the the no it probably was the national organization of
01:32:37.480
furry americans nofa and um they probably are listed there probably online you know 1-800 dial
01:32:44.080
a furry there's probably some way if you need a furry my guess is craigslist probably some other
01:32:50.160
social media app you could probably find exactly the furry by they you know to charles's point with the
01:32:56.160
pronouns like they were very careful to be respectful of strudel i guess strudel doesn't
01:32:59.240
go by he or she it's a they when you began this you began this is campus madness and my first thought
01:33:04.400
was okay this is kids dress this is college students dressing up in their full furry outfits
01:33:08.720
and when it comes to crazy behavior on college campuses yes sometimes in politics but this sounded
01:33:15.120
a bit more like some hot girl was into it and tons of other guys like yeah i'm into that too
01:33:20.480
absolutely yeah i love being a furry quick find my own halloween costume whatever it takes
01:33:24.880
not every high school mascot well that 11 and 12 no that's not what's happening the the details of
01:33:31.980
what they're doing to the other children are pretty specific a one word as to all the children say that
01:33:37.280
the principal's daughter is a furry and that's why the principal allows this just a quick google search
01:33:43.140
didn't show any children for this particular principal but that doesn't mean google's up to date or
01:33:48.880
she didn't you know adopt one or have a stepdad i have no idea what the situation is but the
01:33:53.060
anecdote like what turns this into not a funny story is the fact that there are reports of kids
01:33:57.800
biting other kids and they say they spray the furry spray febreze on them sometime in their eyes
01:34:05.420
why that's why they need the heart spray we were talking about earlier this guy this whole podcast
01:34:10.620
comes full circle it's just semi-seriously though like yeah um we dealt with biting in the
01:34:17.200
garrity household in daycare pre-preschool where i have two teenagers thank you for your prayers uh
01:34:24.740
older one was the bitey uh my my older teenager was the one who'd uh much more like my younger one was
01:34:31.240
the biter pin at three strikes and you're out that for preschool for daycare right well at the high
01:34:37.460
at a middle school well you know you know jesse and you know johnny they've always been biters and so
01:34:43.960
this is only there's six or seven biting of us why are you like how is that not automatically
01:34:48.020
you're out of there how yeah i i this does feel like some sort of onion or babylon there's also
01:34:54.040
a no mask rule there which the students say that they allow these students of course to violate they
01:34:58.780
don't i mean they don't get in trouble is what they claim well i guess that's how old were your
01:35:03.420
were your kids jim when you managed to stop them spraying febreze at each other
01:35:08.860
oh i can't get them to do that now what is that wait of all the things teenagers could be doing
01:35:15.720
spraying febreze is really not the worst of it i could live with some of that what is that weapon
01:35:21.100
i mean how did you think you're right what is it it's not like they looked at the animal kingdom
01:35:25.420
and said to be authentic furries we have to spray febreze at each other that's a good point i don't i
01:35:31.020
don't understand it either i mean the worst thing we've had in our house has been the whoopee cushion
01:35:34.760
which of course is every 11 year old while he's a 10 now every 10 year old boy's dream i mean he
01:35:39.320
can't get enough of them it's like they they break very easily but if you combine that with the fart
01:35:43.940
spray you're in the sweet spot gentlemen i'll leave it on that lovely note charlie and jim only here
01:35:49.480
on the megan kelly show can you have these discussions it's been a pleasure always enjoy it
01:35:53.740
megan thank you for having us yes this is exactly the conversation i thought i would have when i woke up
01:35:57.560
this morning we needed it see you soon thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda