The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Outrageous Title IX Changes Hurting Women and Men, with Alex Clark, Mary Morgan, May Mailman, Inez Stepman, and KC Johnson

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.260 Okay. Welcome to the show. I can't believe this. Can I just start with this? Let me just start

00:00:20.900 with this. Okay. I had a long, contentious relationship with Donald Trump. You may be

00:00:29.940 aware. And going into 2020, I didn't know whether I could pull the lever for him. I really didn't.

00:00:42.560 The world had shifted under our feet. It had gone crazy with DEI and with the trans ideology

00:00:50.360 nonsense, which was being shoved down my own kids' throats at school.

00:00:57.040 And I, I really wrestled with it. You guys heard me wrestle with it on this program.

00:01:08.120 There's a breast oncology doctor that I go to for my mammogram once a year. She's a far left liberal

00:01:15.760 and I love her. I love her. Every year when I go in, we talk politics. We usually disagree,

00:01:22.440 but we have a shared humanity. And I love that, you know, that we can come in. She's so kind to me.

00:01:27.820 We always hug. She's so good to me. And I love her too. And I went in and I told her after the election

00:01:37.100 who I voted for in 2020. And I've never shared this publicly. I don't talk about who I'd vote

00:01:41.300 for as a journalist. I never have, but I'm going to today. And I told her I voted for Donald Trump.

00:01:52.540 And I almost cried because this woman and I had been through a lot. I'd had a breast cancer scare.

00:02:00.280 Thank God it wasn't anything. It was, she got me through and she knew what Trump had put me through

00:02:05.840 for that year and how hard it was in my family and so on. I don't want to get back into it.

00:02:11.000 And she said, why? And I told her that it wasn't about me. It was about my concern for this country

00:02:21.020 and my children and what was happening in particular in this cultural lane, but in other lanes as well.

00:02:28.180 And I worried what she might say to me. And she said, you know what that tells me? And I said,

00:02:36.700 what? And she said that you have principles. And I felt so much better. I just, it's not that I

00:02:43.800 needed her approval. I just, she's just, we're not even that close. Not that we've ever had dinner

00:02:48.160 together or anything like that. She's this person who I talked to for all those years while all that

00:02:54.260 crap was happening. And I voted for Donald Trump to prevent things like this, what happened today.

00:03:03.440 And when I saw the news on what Joe Biden just did to women's rights and title nine and due process

00:03:10.020 for young men on college campuses and free speech, I was horrified. And my second reaction was,

00:03:19.260 at least I don't have this blood on my hands. I'm ashamed of him. I'm disgusted at you,

00:03:29.780 Miguel Cardona. Shame on you. What's happened today as a result of the change in title nine

00:03:36.840 is that your daughter or you, if you are a college age woman will now have to go into your college

00:03:44.220 bathroom, your college locker room and be faced with men posing as women, many of whom are only

00:03:53.940 there because they get off on wearing women's clothing. They literally will have erections

00:03:59.500 because they're wearing a dress into the women's locker room. Your kid's going to have to look at it

00:04:04.440 and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Nothing. No lawmaker has voted on this.

00:04:12.440 No Congress has passed this. Joe Biden did it with his education secretary. It's an agency regulation.

00:04:21.420 And then your son or you, if you are a young college aged man, if you get accused, if he gets

00:04:28.380 accused by a young woman falsely, which happens with all due respect to my fellow women, we've all

00:04:36.060 seen it happen time and time again. It does not mean all women are fake accusers, but enough of them

00:04:42.820 are that we need very sturdy due process regulations to protect the accused. Now he just lost his right

00:04:49.820 to cross-examination. He cannot confront his accuser anymore because of Joe Biden and what he did today.

00:04:59.340 He's fucked. Sorry, but that's the truth. These are kangaroo courts and his representative

00:05:07.740 will do shuttle diplomacy between the two rooms where he talks to the young man and then he talks

00:05:12.820 to the accuser. And that's the substitute for cross-examination. And we know that the representatives

00:05:19.380 who run these courts and are the judges of these kangaroo courts on college campuses and

00:05:24.460 courts is in air quotes, are victims' rights advocates. Your kid gets no protection. That's

00:05:31.280 why Betsy DeVos, when she took over as his education secretary after Barack Obama left office

00:05:36.460 with Arne Duncan, tried to restore some semblance of normalcy. Was it because Betsy DeVos hates women?

00:05:43.200 She loves rape. She wanted women to get raped over and over and for their assailants to walk free?

00:05:48.760 Hell no. She wanted just a semblance of due process. And that's what she did under Trump.

00:05:56.080 They've reversed it. They've undone most of her solutions to the overreach that Obama and Duncan

00:06:05.260 imposed. And guess what else? It applies to K through 12. It's not just colleges.

00:06:13.080 The way you talk about these issues, pronouns. He's waved his magic wand to say we all have to do it

00:06:23.800 the way Joe Biden wants it done. And not even Joe Biden. Who are we kidding? Does anyone think

00:06:28.740 this 89-year-old, whatever he is, he's 82 but seems a lot older.

00:06:34.040 Do we think he's really calling the shots? Do you really think Joe Biden's woke?

00:06:40.480 You really think he cares whether the trans person has access to your naked daughter as

00:06:47.020 she gets ready for swimming? No, that's not what it is. It's his handlers who are the secret

00:06:53.100 president, whoever the hell they are. I don't know who would. I don't know if it's Barack Obama.

00:06:57.860 I don't know if it's Kareem Jean-Pierre, if it's Kamala Harris, if it's some woke team behind him.

00:07:01.980 But he does what they tell him. He is the Brazilian bank uncle we showed you yesterday.

00:07:08.580 Those of you who didn't see it, it was a deceased man who got wheeled into a bank by his

00:07:13.100 greedy young niece who tried to pretend he was alive so she could get money. That's him.

00:07:19.480 That's him. He doesn't. He doesn't get a pass. But I also don't believe he cares. He cares about

00:07:25.500 himself. They didn't have the balls to put this before the Congress because they knew

00:07:31.780 what would happen. I'm pissed off because let me tell you something. Unlike most people,

00:07:41.320 most news outlets, we here at the Megyn Kelly show have covered the spate of women who have been

00:07:48.600 attacked in their locker rooms, attacked in their bathrooms. I know the left wants to pretend

00:07:56.660 that it is all loving, genuinely confused men who really want to live as women the way, frankly,

00:08:04.580 I came to know the trans people that I know who don't want to hurt anybody. They're out there.

00:08:11.940 I do not want to disparage all trans people. I know and love some who are not like this.

00:08:18.940 But it would be a disservice to pretend that a large majority of so-called trans women,

00:08:26.420 meaning men posing as women, are not autogynophiles. They are. These are men who get

00:08:32.880 off undressing as women. They're sexually aroused by it. And those are the ones who parade around places

00:08:40.080 like Planet Fitness, shaving their stubble. An actual trans person wouldn't want you to see

00:08:46.720 his stubble. He would want you to actually believe he's a woman. He's genuinely trying to live his life

00:08:53.220 as one and not making a mockery out of it or a sexual fetish out of it. So now it's going to continue

00:09:03.220 and not just continue. It's going to spread. It's going to spread because now take it out of the

00:09:08.940 trans lane. Now the men who are genuinely just perverts have a green light to come on in. And if

00:09:17.200 they say no at your kid's campus or K through 12 school, it's now discrimination. It's now unlawful

00:09:26.780 discrimination, a violation of Title IX. The very thing we've been using for decades now

00:09:32.880 to protect girls and young women will now be used against them when they try to speak up against

00:09:40.420 this happening and in favor of their safety.

00:09:46.920 We had an amazing, fun show prepared for you today. We're not going to get to any of it.

00:09:53.260 I don't care. I would vote for RFKJ. I would vote for Trump. But I think Trump is the only answer.

00:10:07.700 RFKJ is kind of weak on this issue, to be perfectly honest with you. But there is no way in hell I will

00:10:14.000 vote for Joe Biden or anyone who supports this abomination. It must be undone.

00:10:25.000 Do not comply. The rules don't take effect until August. Don't comply. Don't use their language.

00:10:34.880 protect your daughters. Fight. Protect your sons. Speak up.

00:10:43.340 And the first step in all of that is understanding exactly what we're dealing with,

00:10:47.040 which is why we're starting the show today with someone who's been following all of this very

00:10:52.760 closely. May Mailman, director of the Independent Women's Law Center. She's a former legal advisor

00:10:59.260 to President Donald J. Trump, where she advised on a wide range of policies, including health care,

00:11:04.360 immigration, and social issues. She's also a former teacher and earned her JD from Harvard Law School,

00:11:09.220 where she served as president of the Federalist Society.

00:11:14.900 May, your reaction to what they've done today.

00:11:19.260 You're exactly right. This is completely unacceptable. Do not comply, because this turns Title IX on its head.

00:11:26.080 Title IX was passed in 1972 to give opportunities for women. That was a time where women were not

00:11:32.680 allowed to have certain majors if they were allowed to enter the college at all. They had

00:11:37.860 curfews. They couldn't participate in sports. If you were going to do field hockey, great. If you want

00:11:43.720 to do anything else, you can't. So Title IX has been monumental for women in academics, in athletics,

00:11:52.100 across the board. And what this regulation does, it says that women don't exist. It says that instead

00:11:59.460 of Title IX being a statute that protects against discrimination on the basis of sex, that it

00:12:04.640 actually protects on the basis of gender identity, meaning that women must allow men into their spaces,

00:12:12.480 allow men to take their scholarships, allow men in every single private area,

00:12:17.100 if, if on the basis of gender identity, that man says that he is entitled to be there.

00:12:24.460 With a magic wand, not by statute. No one's had to vote on this, May.

00:12:31.140 Exactly. So, you know, Title IX was a heavy lift for women, actually. This was a time where people

00:12:38.060 were debating whether you wanted an equal rights amendment to be in the Constitution. And as a

00:12:44.020 society, we came together and we said, you know what we actually should do is we should create

00:12:48.780 this specific protection for women in all programs that accept federal money and are related to

00:12:54.800 education. So don't think that Title IX is some college bill. It's not about public schools, any

00:13:00.900 school, any education program, including prison education programs, including 4-H, daycare,

00:13:06.640 anything that accepts federal money now has to not discriminate on the basis of sex. But Title IX

00:13:13.600 doesn't just say that. It then carves out and says, you can have sex-specific programming. You can have

00:13:22.220 sex-specific dorms. You can have Girls State. You can have YMCA. So it allows you to have,

00:13:30.580 to recognize sex, to recognize that sex exists. And it clearly says that there are two sexes. It always

00:13:36.420 says one sex and then the other sex. But in creating two sexes and in recognizing two sexes,

00:13:44.680 you just have to make sure that there's equal opportunities for both. Well, now there will not

00:13:48.480 be equal opportunities for women because women will be forced to be with male aggressors. That's the

00:13:55.780 thing about letting men into locker rooms, letting men into sports. It's not the same for men. Women are

00:14:02.300 not stronger than them. They're not more powerful than them. They don't threaten them in the way that

00:14:07.360 letting men into women's areas does. So the entire point of Title IX, protecting women, is now flipped

00:14:14.580 on its head. And the Biden administration wants you to believe that this has nothing to do with

00:14:21.120 athletics, that women can continue on their own in athletics, and the rule has nothing to say about

00:14:27.040 that. This is their promise trying to win some votes, I guess. But they're lying. And we know

00:14:32.860 they're lying for a few reasons. One, they say that locker rooms must incorporate gender identity.

00:14:41.280 So if it doesn't affect sports, how does it affect locker rooms? Well, locker rooms are part of the

00:14:47.020 problem here. And the other thing is that they say that actually you don't need a regulation when it

00:14:52.460 comes to sports, that the law Title IX itself, no regulation, just on its own, the Title IX law

00:14:58.360 says that sports must be on the basis of gender identity. They've said this in courts. I agree

00:15:04.700 with them. I agree with them. I look at their new regulation. They're right. They don't have to get

00:15:09.940 specific on the sports. They've already covered it by saying it's discriminated. Is it that because

00:15:14.060 now just to be to reiterate, sex discrimination against women now includes trans women, which is fake

00:15:21.560 fake women, that means men. So sex discrimination against women now includes men posing as women

00:15:29.120 in the K through college realm. And so they're right in saying you cannot ban someone's participation

00:15:38.060 in any activity based on sex. And so they're right. If this stands, it's true. You're not going to be

00:15:46.200 able to keep these fake women out of any spaces, including sports. And this is how the universities,

00:15:53.560 how K through 12 already feels that the Biden administration was going to implement it because

00:15:59.540 the Biden administration has said so out loud, but this puts teeth behind it. And those, the teeth

00:16:04.580 are very threatening. It is all federal money. So if you would like to have a school lunch program,

00:16:11.500 if you would like to have funding for your special needs kids, if you are a public school and you'd

00:16:16.040 like to have funding at all, then you have to go along with this. And so what that means is now

00:16:21.500 sexual harassment is forbidden by title nine. Okay. Sexual harassment, that should be forbidden by

00:16:26.520 title nine. Well, what does sexual harassment now mean? Well, sex now means gender identity. So

00:16:31.940 anything that you say, so you use the wrong pronouns, that is now sexual harassment. So all of these

00:16:39.660 schools, every school that accepts federal money will now have to have pronoun police. And

00:16:45.740 basically infuse gender ideology throughout their programming so as not to violate sexual harassment

00:16:54.920 and therefore lose their school lunch money. It is hard to explain how drastic of a change this will be

00:17:02.580 for every educational program down to the youngest kids. And that really does infringe on parental rights

00:17:08.880 because a lot of this stuff is meant to be taught in the home is meant to be discussed in the home. It has

00:17:17.040 nothing to do with school. It's not scholastic. And yet those decisions are being taken away by parents

00:17:22.480 because they're being forced to be put in schools. Don't comply. Don't comply. Don't let your child play

00:17:31.120 the pronoun game. Don't you play it. This is going to be taken up. They're not going to get away with

00:17:36.900 this, May. There's more to discuss, but before we get to remedies, but I do want to say you guys are

00:17:41.560 filing a lawsuit almost immediately at the independent women's forum. Yes. Absolutely. This is something that

00:17:47.440 we've been expecting. They announced that they wanted to do this in June, 2022. So we've had two years to

00:17:53.120 think about it. And this is a lawsuit that is going to succeed. The it's an unconstitutional suppression

00:18:01.120 of speech and it compels speech, which the government may not do. They may not look at your child and say

00:18:11.200 you will say she when you see someone with a penis coming at you in the locker room or you lose your

00:18:19.680 right to your education. That's how messed up what they did today is. I am not overstating what's

00:18:28.100 about to happen. That is the law now via agency regulation. Exactly. Misgendering, which I hate

00:18:37.020 that term because it is using the correct pronouns, is now going to be sexual harassment. And the weird

00:18:43.560 thing about saying that any of this has to do with sex is that the pronoun game has gotten to be

00:18:50.840 completely unrelated to sex, right? So there are students who want to be furries. There are Z pronouns,

00:18:57.280 Zen. I don't even know. I'm not a pronoun expert, but they have nothing to do with sex. And so to say

00:19:03.400 that Title IX, a sex protection statute, mandates that people use whatever pronouns you want. Otherwise,

00:19:12.700 that's sexual harassment is completely not based on the statute. And one other thing that they did with this

00:19:18.360 rule. So the Supreme Court has said that in order for sexual harassment to come under Title IX, it has to be

00:19:25.640 pretty extreme. It has to be both severe and pervasive, meaning multiple times. So that if you, you know, say,

00:19:34.240 hey, cutie, one time, that's not severe and that's not pervasive and it's not going to be sexual harassment.

00:19:40.240 But if you keep doing the same thing, or if the thing that you say isn't, hey, cutie, it's really

00:19:45.900 bad, then you reach severe, you know, and maybe pervasive. What the Biden administration did is it

00:19:52.020 said you don't need both anymore. You don't need it to be severe and pervasive. You need it to be severe

00:19:57.940 or pervasive, which is, of course, not what the Supreme Court has said that it means. And so one instance,

00:20:04.100 if they think it's severe enough, could be a basis for an individual's punishment. And a school,

00:20:12.040 of course, is going to try and punish any instance of quote unquote misgendering because they don't want

00:20:17.420 to lose their federal funding. So this is the pronoun police. And of course, there have been

00:20:24.500 court cases about misgendering and whether the First Amendment protects your right to speak

00:20:32.580 on matters of your own opinion. And a lot of courts have gotten this correct. But I think that it's

00:20:39.600 still going to be a heavy lift and a monumental challenge to say that when I use correct pronouns,

00:20:45.660 I'm not trying to harass somebody. I am speaking the truth and I'm speaking about what I believe.

00:20:52.280 And the First Amendment protects my right to speak on personal and political matters in a certain

00:20:58.140 way. Is there any way Chevron deference has any impact on this? There's a big Supreme Court case

00:21:05.260 that's pending right now. We expect a decision this summer, you know, June, July, early on what is the

00:21:12.120 power of agencies within the executive branch? How much can they do? These are not elected

00:21:17.660 representatives, their agency bureaucrats who got appointed by, in this case, Joe Biden or his

00:21:25.680 lackeys. How are they ruling over us? Yeah, so Chevron deference, I think, really originally was

00:21:32.900 meant for really wonky areas of like energy policy where you want the agency to set a certain rate that

00:21:42.460 makes sense. And you don't want judges coming in and trying to figure out, oh, that rate was right

00:21:47.700 or wrong. It's meant for experts. There is no expertise required to figure out what sex means.

00:21:56.440 Sex is a binary biological concept. There is no reason why the Department of Education, and if there

00:22:03.280 was expertise on what sex means, it would not be with the Department of Education, which is illegal.

00:22:09.420 It shouldn't exist. But to the extent it is legal, it's because it doesn't really exist. It's a

00:22:14.440 pass-through organization where they just take federal dollars and give it to schools with hooks

00:22:20.280 on it. They have no expertise on what sex means. The people who have expertise on interpreting words

00:22:28.320 are judges. And so I would say that Chevron deference should not, A, I don't know whether it's going to

00:22:34.560 apply. It probably won't. It'll probably change based on the pending Supreme Court ruling. But

00:22:42.120 whatever remains, it is not the expertise of the Department of Education. It is the expertise of

00:22:49.560 judges. And I think that they're not going to defer the Department of Education's bizarre ruling

00:22:58.240 that sex means whatever you think. Yeah. So there's a big case before the Supreme Court

00:23:04.740 now, looking at just how much deference do we give to these agencies? How much do we have to follow

00:23:10.280 what they say, given that they're unelected, just to sort of short form it. And basically what May is

00:23:16.240 saying is don't expect that, even if they say a lot of deference, a lot of authority, don't expect

00:23:21.700 that to affect this, because they're not going to be following this, what they've just done with

00:23:26.340 Title IX. I mean, I cannot help but think right now about Ketanji Brown Jackson, who was not able

00:23:30.920 to define, though she's a judge, what a woman is, who said she wasn't a biologist and therefore

00:23:37.480 couldn't speak to that at her confirmation hearing. And there's no question that when your lawsuit,

00:23:44.320 and I'm sure many will join you, gets up to the Supreme Court, she's going to be against you.

00:23:48.560 And so will Kagan. And so will Sotomayor. There's a question. Here it is. Let's play it for those of you

00:23:53.980 who may have missed it when she was in her confirmation hearings. Can you provide a

00:23:59.000 definition for the word woman? Can I provide a definition? No. Yeah. I can't. You can't?

00:24:10.720 Not in this context. I'm not a biologist. Oh my God. So, but I, you know, there will at least be,

00:24:20.140 I think, five on our side. And the question is not Roberts in this case, it's Gorsuch.

00:24:25.520 Gorsuch, who sided against women in Bostock, which is what made, it gave trans people the right

00:24:32.820 to not be discriminated against in the employment context. And that's why people like my friend's

00:24:39.120 friend who's employing a woman he thought was a woman and showed up saying she's a tiger.

00:24:43.000 However, that's why he has to keep employing her because thanks to Gorsuch and the libs,

00:24:49.380 he now needs to worry that that might amount to employment discrimination. And so anyway,

00:24:55.000 this is the, this is the battle that you're about to face. Go ahead.

00:24:58.080 Yeah. So this Bostock case 2020 case is what the Biden administration is saying gives them the

00:25:05.500 authority to do something so crazy as to turn a women protection statute into a gender identity

00:25:11.580 statute. And so title seven is that 2020 case title seven says you can't discriminate because of

00:25:19.400 sex in employment. And so what justice Gorsuch did is he said that when you fire a woman for being

00:25:28.640 married to a woman or for dressing as a man, but you would not have fired a man for dressing as a man,

00:25:36.140 then you are discriminating because of sex. And so he sort of incorporated gender identity,

00:25:43.160 sexual orientation into title seven, which only protects against sex discrimination.

00:25:50.580 Title nine is different. Title nine is completely different. So for one, the language is different.

00:25:55.920 Title seven says because of sex title nine says on the basis of sex. And I would say that on the basis

00:26:00.840 of sex really doesn't just include any, but for casual relationship with sex, but actually sex has

00:26:06.720 to be the motivating factor there. And the other huge difference is that title nine does allow you

00:26:13.180 to recognize difference and separate the sexes where title seven does not. There's no need in the

00:26:19.080 employment context to have some of these separations versus in title nine. There absolutely is,

00:26:25.200 which is why you have sex specific dorms. You have sex specific programming. You have including

00:26:32.260 sororities and fraternities. You have sex specific athletics. So just the whole range of things that

00:26:40.200 are sex specific, the title seven doesn't have. And so to say that because employment requires something,

00:26:46.620 therefore any thing that accepts federal education money now requires that is completely off.

00:26:54.760 Um, and so I hope that justice Gorsuch, so Bostick was wrongly decided and I hope that Gorsuch

00:27:01.000 agrees with that, but if he doesn't, hopefully he at least sees the difference between title seven and

00:27:08.120 title nine. In the meantime, it's going to be a year probably right of kids having to deal with this

00:27:17.640 and schools having to deal with this. And, you know, many of us tried to stop it when the comment period

00:27:23.620 was open on the chain, the proposed changes to title nine and that we didn't stop it. So we've

00:27:29.000 lost this battle. We've lost this round of the battle, but that doesn't mean the war is over

00:27:32.560 because just as easily as a democratic president can come in and undo 50 years of protections for

00:27:40.900 women with the stroke of his pen. So too, can a Republican president come in and restore the

00:27:46.880 protections for women? And this hasn't even, we haven't even touched on the due process rights of men

00:27:51.560 who get accused on college campuses, which was one of, I think Trump's best accomplishments.

00:27:55.240 I am not pro sexual assault of women. I would say the record reflects clearly. I've done a lot to

00:28:01.680 stop the sexual assault and harassment of women, but I'm very pro due process. That's the fabric of the

00:28:09.160 United States of America. It's what makes us different from everybody else. And there, what

00:28:14.960 happened under Obama is they stripped it. They stripped it of young men. They took these kangaroo

00:28:19.380 courts on college campuses, subjected these young men to them and ruined their lives. You'd get

00:28:24.620 accused. You'd get dragged in there. You wouldn't have the right to cross examine or to see all of

00:28:29.180 her evidence. You wouldn't have the right to counsel in the examination room. You could only talk to

00:28:33.840 somebody on the back bench and your representative was always a victim's rights advocate, even when you

00:28:39.040 were the defendant being accused. So you'd go through this whole kangaroo court. You'd get found

00:28:43.180 guilty. Inevitably, you would get expelled. And the rights to appeal are extremely limited. You'd get

00:28:49.680 labeled a sex offender. And now Joe Biden has undone the due process restorations that Betsy DeVos put in

00:28:59.420 place. Exactly. So a couple of things. So one on the due process, it is it's it's hard to explain

00:29:08.180 what exactly you are going to be faced with if you are accused by anybody of sexual harassment,

00:29:15.180 because there's there's no there's just no protections. You can't even see the evidence

00:29:20.680 that you can get an explanation of what the evidence is. So let's just say you're accused of

00:29:25.920 being a transphobe. So you're told you you are have committed sexual misconduct. You're a transphobe.

00:29:33.520 And you'd say, I'd like to see what that evidence is. I'd like to just see what the complaint was.

00:29:38.780 Well, there is no written complaint. They don't have to show it to you, even if there is.

00:29:42.620 It is just a he said, she said. Charade. And and to the other point of who the kangaroo court is,

00:29:52.740 that's hearing your case. This is a school that will lose federal money.

00:29:57.780 If they don't put the bad guy away, you know, kick him out of school, punish him, punish him hard

00:30:05.820 enough. And they're going to be totally fine if they over punish. Right. So if somebody didn't do

00:30:13.440 anything wrong, but they over punish, they kick him out anyway. It doesn't matter to them. So

00:30:18.640 they're always going to lean on the side of over punishment unless you're required to follow certain

00:30:25.400 due process procedures and you don't get your federal money if you don't do that. So you the

00:30:30.360 federal government has to come in and say, you really do need to give these protections because

00:30:35.440 if you don't tell the schools to do it, they won't. They will always lean on the side of less

00:30:41.080 protections and over punishment. And one other political point here, which is that it doesn't

00:30:47.420 just matter who the president is. It matters all the way down the ballot because Congress does have

00:30:54.120 the power to rescind any rule it doesn't like. It is called the Congressional Review Act. And if

00:31:00.300 people continue to vote Democrat at their local level, then you will continue to have national

00:31:05.900 policies that are problematic. So it is something to think about even in, you know, more close to home

00:31:14.160 elections that your local congressman, your senator has the power to rescind things like this. And are

00:31:21.340 they using that power correctly? May, let me know how I can help. I will do anything. I will do anything

00:31:29.040 to help you. I will promote it. I will donate to you guys. I will do whatever it takes. And I really hope

00:31:34.320 my audience does too. It's the Independent Women's Forum. What's the website just so they know?

00:31:39.460 We are at IWF.org and our legal fights specifically are IWLC for the legal center.org. And thanks,

00:31:48.280 Megan, you are the best on these issues. You've been following them the whole time. You're amazing.

00:31:54.640 God bless you. I'm with you. May, thank you. Up next, Inez Stepman, who's been following this

00:32:00.160 very closely as well. She has got some other thoughts and we're going to go deep on a couple

00:32:04.520 of the problems that we're about to face. Joining me now for more analysis is Inez Stepman. Inez is a

00:32:13.860 senior policy analyst at the Independent Women's Forum. She's been on the program before. This

00:32:18.060 morning, she called attention to the power the Biden administration is wielding with changes to

00:32:22.040 Title IX, saying it is, quote, more powerful than real legislation and how each of these changes

00:32:27.880 individually, individually, is a five alarm fire. Inez, welcome back. You're just let me just hear your

00:32:34.860 reaction starting off to what they've done today on Title IX. Absolutely. And thank you again for

00:32:39.840 calling so much attention to this. It's sometimes hard to get attention on regulations because we

00:32:44.440 still have this old idea, the bill on Capitol Hill idea, right? But as we know, that's not how our

00:32:49.800 government functions anymore, regrettably. As I said, each one of these changes is a massive

00:32:55.740 legal change, often one that affects a core constitutional right. So you just discussed with

00:33:01.220 my colleague, May, all of the problems attendant in incorporating gender identity into the definition

00:33:08.000 of sex in civil rights law. I mean, this is going to affect women's sports. It's going to affect,

00:33:13.940 as May said, it's not just college level, right? All K-12 schools that take a dime of federal money

00:33:20.080 are potentially affected by this. They won't be able to keep their bathrooms separate by sex. They

00:33:25.080 won't be able to keep their locker rooms separate by sex when this goes into effect in August. So

00:33:30.720 this is a massive change by itself, and it's gotten a lot of attention, this redefinition of sex. But as

00:33:37.100 you mentioned, there are changes to due process that reinstate kangaroo courts for young men on

00:33:42.820 college campuses if they're accused on mere accusation of sexual impropriety. And there are

00:33:48.240 massive First Amendment incursions as well. The definition of harassment here, as May said,

00:33:53.720 is being stretched to encompass speech that ought to be protected, the Supreme Court says is protected,

00:33:59.680 but in these regulations is subjected to this kind of Orwellian, you know, is it offensive? Is it

00:34:07.300 subjective? Is it objectively offensive? How pervasive is it? The Supreme Court has laid out

00:34:12.540 really clear standards about where protected speech begins, and these regulations blow right through it.

00:34:18.600 So there's also parental rights implications. I mean, this is a massive, massive, 1577-page

00:34:25.020 document that essentially is an assault on women's rights, on men's rights, and on all of our

00:34:32.120 constitutional rights. So it's a big one. And on religious rights, on religious rights. I mean,

00:34:36.700 I'm Catholic. The Pope just came out in the most strong language yet, condemning this whole trans

00:34:43.340 ideology and the notion that one is born in the wrong body and the medicalization of this. And for sure,

00:34:51.080 the Catholic Church is not behind pronouns. So what? Now, my children who are about to be confirmed in

00:34:57.120 the Catholic faith have to choose between their faith and what Joe Biden mandates through their

00:35:03.660 teachers that comes out of their mouth. This guy who can't even put two sentences together now

00:35:10.460 effectively tells my children and yours and all of ours exactly what to say around this issue.

00:35:18.180 It's an outrage, but it is an affront to religious rights as well.

00:35:23.880 Yeah, I mean, it is an affront to an entire list of rights. And as I say, we always have all of the

00:35:29.180 hysteria about authoritarianism, democracy dies in darkness, right? Here we have a bunch of unelected

00:35:35.000 bureaucrats who are contradicting the Supreme Court on what Americans' constitutional rights are on a whole

00:35:42.040 host of basis. And as you say, telling Americans what they can and cannot say in schools and universities

00:35:48.860 about things that are obviously true, like the differences between the sexes. And this is done by

00:35:55.560 unelected bureaucrats. This is not, you know, Joe Biden is the figurehead of this administration.

00:36:00.660 He doesn't have that power to unilaterally change civil rights law to contradict the Supreme Court.

00:36:06.140 But this is what this administration has gone ahead and done. And it's kind of up to us,

00:36:12.380 whether through the courts or through the democratic process, to correct the administration and to make

00:36:17.480 sure that this doesn't become American law. It's making our children go along with a lie.

00:36:26.180 That's any sort of compelled speech would be wrong. The government's not allowed to do that to us

00:36:31.280 in America. It's not allowed to do that to us in America. But they're making these children now

00:36:37.240 and college age to go along with a lie. They're going to have to say a man is a woman is a she

00:36:46.060 and refer to her him accordingly and and respond to them in the locker room and the bathrooms

00:36:52.980 accordingly. They will be confronted with naked penises that only the autogynephiles will will flaunt.

00:36:59.960 Because, as I say, true trans people don't want to flaunt a penis. Most of them don't even want

00:37:05.120 the penis anymore. If you see a flaunter in the locker room, odds are it's an autogynephile,

00:37:10.260 meaning it's a guy who gets off undressing in women's clothes. You want that next to your kid?

00:37:14.620 You want that next to your daughter while she's changing her clothes at age 14? You're going to

00:37:18.240 get a whole lot more of it now. And now the government can make her look at him and say she belongs here.

00:37:26.300 That it's stomach churning. It can't stand like there's so that we can get Congress to vote

00:37:34.240 against it. We can get a new president to undo Title IX just the same way Biden undid it when

00:37:40.420 he took office. I mean, that's how this happened. He undid all the changes Trump put in place.

00:37:46.040 That's right. And, you know, this is the sort of power that the administrative state now has in our

00:37:51.380 and you mentioned Chevron, which is an important curtailment of that power. And I hope will be

00:37:55.780 curtailed not just in this instance, but across the board. But fundamentally, are we have a good

00:38:00.480 balance in the United States where women and men have the same constitutional rights, right? We do not

00:38:06.740 have, you know, different First Amendment rights or different due process rights based on sex.

00:38:12.140 We have federal law and all 50 states banning sex discrimination. But in each of those instances

00:38:18.920 until now, our law has allowed for distinguishing between men and women when those sex differences

00:38:25.360 are relevant, right? That's why we had prisons that were separated by male and female, why we had

00:38:31.940 locker rooms and public schools that were separated by male and female, why we had sports teams separated

00:38:37.220 by male and female because of the common sense reality that physical sex differences matter in certain

00:38:44.000 cases. Maybe it doesn't matter when it comes to who's going to be a chemist, right? In the employment

00:38:49.000 context. But it sure as heck matters when she actually in this this on the show, I can say sure

00:38:54.940 as hell matters, right? It sure as hell matters when you're talking about sports or you're talking about

00:39:00.940 little girls in a locker room, right? And you're talking about biologically male people with penises

00:39:06.760 walking around in there. These are the things that our law until now could recognize that, yes,

00:39:12.640 this is not an invidious discrimination. This is not trying to curtail the opportunities of women.

00:39:17.880 In fact, this kind of, quote, discrimination on the basis of sex is necessary to protect the

00:39:23.280 opportunities and the safety and the privacy of women. And these regulations blow all of that out

00:39:29.980 of the water. It makes the law unable to distinguish between men and women, between boys and girls in

00:39:35.200 those obvious common sense contexts that we know are necessary, again, to protect even basic safety,

00:39:41.300 let alone opportunity for women and girls. Can we round back to the sports question? Because the

00:39:47.220 Biden administration had considered including sports as part of this and some in the LGBTQ

00:39:53.520 community who are praising this, that tells you what you need to know. They're very pleased

00:39:57.800 with this new revision are saying, well, the one thing he didn't give us was the sports.

00:40:03.400 And even the people who are supposed to be advocating for us, for women, like the National Women's Law

00:40:11.960 Center, are raising this point against us in favor of the men. Listen to what these traitors said today.

00:40:20.320 While we celebrate the significance of this moment, we are still, and I was waiting for them to say,

00:40:26.160 like, we're still concerned about the safety of women, given that it's the National Women's Law Center.

00:40:30.020 Nope. We are still urging a release of a final rule that explicitly clarifies what Title IX has

00:40:37.000 always stood for and guarantees, that transgender, non-binary, and intersex athletes have a right

00:40:43.740 to play sports alongside their peers. No. So they're traitors. And I understand, and May and I talked

00:40:51.800 about how this law, this is not a law, it's an agency regulation, but it has the effect of law,

00:40:57.040 will be, the way it's written, it will be exploited. There's a, the way it's written,

00:41:03.020 will be used to allow men into women's sports, for sure. Nothing needs to change in order for that to

00:41:08.080 happen. But the Biden administration is saying that it doesn't. And the people who want men in

00:41:13.900 women's sports are saying, gee, I'm sad, it doesn't. So how do you see that playing out?

00:41:19.700 Yeah, I mean, this is a political fig leaf for the Biden administration. I think they know that

00:41:25.400 people look at the sports context, they watch the 200-meter butterfly, they watch, you know,

00:41:31.240 a man outstrip women in a very obvious and physical way. And they know that that's not a

00:41:36.380 good issue for them, because everyone with two eyes can see that men and women are different in

00:41:40.240 that context, and that it's totally unfair to the women involved who are competing against them.

00:41:44.800 Um, so what this is, is sort of a political fig leaf. They're saying, well, we're carving out

00:41:49.360 sports. But as May said, everything they say in these 1577 pages applies to sports, right? You can't

00:41:57.540 just grant these rights on the basis of quote, unquote, gender identity, right? And then say,

00:42:03.520 well, but we don't mean it in this context, right? On the plain reading of these regulations,

00:42:07.600 it does apply to sports. But even so, right, these regulations explicitly apply to locker rooms,

00:42:13.680 they explicitly apply to 1000 other contexts in which it's totally inappropriate to have men coming

00:42:20.420 in and invading women's spaces. So regardless, these regulations impact that on top of all of

00:42:26.220 the due process issues on top of the First Amendment issues, right? This this really is a regulation that

00:42:33.420 affects everybody who has anything to do with any educational institution that gets a dime of federal

00:42:39.540 money. It's bad for men, it's bad for women. And it's bad for boys and it's bad for girls. It's bad

00:42:44.620 for everybody. But I think this is just a political ploy basically by the Biden administration. And we

00:42:49.260 know that they have a compliant media outside of this show and others that will just go along with

00:42:54.240 that and say, no, no, no, this doesn't apply to sports, even though schools pretty clearly will take

00:42:58.160 this as applying to sports. The I want to tell the audience Casey Johnson is able to join us,

00:43:03.680 which is great because he's been my guru on the what's happening to young men on college campuses

00:43:07.820 for years now. He's a lawyer. He's been following it very closely. So he's going to add some more

00:43:12.520 context on exactly what this means for young men on college campuses in a minute. But this from Ilya

00:43:17.500 Shapiro and as he writes, there's a reason this new rule was delayed again and again. The Biden

00:43:23.500 administration knew that it was stretching the law beyond its breaking point.

00:43:28.160 At a time when American higher education is in crisis with a drastic loss in popular confidence,

00:43:33.740 this new rule adds fuel to that fire. The administration expands Title IX to cover an

00:43:39.080 undefined gender identity, despite the law's clear understanding of sex as biological and binary,

00:43:46.820 regardless of whether you care most about statutory text or purpose or even legislative history.

00:43:52.340 Name checking the Supreme Court's Bostock decision and leaving unresolved for now the issue of

00:43:57.420 biological males playing in women's sports doesn't save the rule. As bad as the redefinition

00:44:03.200 of sex is, what's arguably even worse about the new rule is its subversion of due process and free

00:44:09.060 speech. The Kafkaesque inquisitions that were the hallmark of Obama era governance will now return

00:44:14.880 with a vengeance and bloated educational bureaucracies will waste no time in investigating and disciplining

00:44:20.120 students and faculty for politically incorrect speech that now runs afoul of expansive,

00:44:25.900 nebulous, and shape-shifting definitions of sex-based harassment. All of this is the

00:44:32.080 continuation of the subversion of the core mission of schools and universities to seek truth

00:44:36.440 and develop human knowledge and of classical liberal values like free speech. I mean, I don't know if you can

00:44:43.980 say it better than that. It's part of such a huge problem. We've lost universities just as we were,

00:44:50.140 you know, mounting a fight for reason and the restoration of classic liberal education, not

00:44:56.700 liberal in the political term, but classic liberal education. This guts it. This is back to the left's

00:45:02.540 favorite tool, which is word policing so that they can get us to accept their fake reality,

00:45:10.600 their views on the most divisive and important social issues of the day.

00:45:18.100 That's, that's exactly right. I can't say it better than you did. And that the way that Ilya did,

00:45:22.320 um, that this is a regulation that takes the power of the federal government and tells Americans in

00:45:30.180 schools from K-12 all the way up into universities, what they can and can't think what they can and can't

00:45:35.820 say, um, truths that are not speakable, like a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Um, it guts due

00:45:43.060 process. And I'm really glad you're going to have Casey on to discuss this in more detail. So I won't

00:45:47.400 go into all the ways in which this guts due process, but, um, this was a kangaroo court disaster under

00:45:54.640 Obama. It's, it's, it's a disaster that was smacked down again by federal courts. More than 200 men

00:45:59.840 have found vindication that the universities under that guidance violated their constitutional rights.

00:46:06.360 Um, and yet universities now are being encouraged, uh, by the federal government to violate what the

00:46:13.060 Supreme court has said, um, are the due process rights of, of Americans. Uh, and, and it's going

00:46:18.280 to be the same way with freedom of speech. This puts the burden on us. It puts the burden on oftentimes,

00:46:24.020 you know, 20 year old college students to defend their rights in federal court. You know,

00:46:29.060 I don't have to tell you that a small, only a small percentage of people are able to muster the

00:46:33.960 money, you know, the, the long-term will to fight something like this out in court for sometimes the

00:46:39.060 year upon years that is necessary to do so to vindicate your rights. This is, um, an incredible

00:46:45.640 incursion into Americans' rights. It's done by unelected bureaucrats. They're redefining sex,

00:46:50.840 taking away due process rights, taking away our free speech rights. I mean, this is an unbelievable

00:46:55.660 regulation and it deserves to be pushed back in court. It deserves pushback in Congress and it

00:47:01.060 deserves pushback at the top with the American people electing a new president. I never want to

00:47:08.040 hear anybody talk about the Democrats as the party of women's rights again, never. If they don't stand

00:47:14.860 up against this, they're complicit and they already are cheering it like the women's law center.

00:47:21.700 The irony of these changes on college campuses and the due process rules there is guess who would be

00:47:28.220 convicted like that? If you were subjected to these due process rules, you, Joe Biden, you let's do it.

00:47:36.980 Let's kick it off. Let's bring Tara Reid who had to flee to Russia because she was so afraid of what

00:47:42.720 you and your administration were going to do to her after you let the press and your lackeys ruin her

00:47:47.800 life. Let's put her allegations to the same test. You're going to subject these young men to on

00:47:53.500 college campuses. You first, sir. Inez, thank you to be continued. Thanks so much, Megan.

00:48:00.900 Casey Johnson is up next with more on the college campus debacle that's coming our way.

00:48:08.320 Joining me now, Casey Johnson. Casey has been fighting the good fight against Title IX insanity for

00:48:12.840 years, helping to get justice for some of the young men whose lives have been torn apart by these

00:48:19.700 ridiculous, absurd, unfair trials held on college campuses, not by a real jury or overseen by a real

00:48:28.000 judge. Casey and I first began talking about this issue back in 2015. It was maybe 14 or 15,

00:48:34.360 nearly a decade ago. No one knows what this means more for young men or anyone accused than Casey.

00:48:39.800 He's an American history professor at Brooklyn College and City University of New York Graduate

00:48:44.420 Center. He is the author of the book, The Campus Rape Frenzy, The Attack on Due Process at America's

00:48:51.400 Universities. Casey, welcome back. Great to have you. Your first take on what they did today with

00:48:58.000 these Title IX revisions. It was as expected. The prime goal was to eviscerate the rights of accused

00:49:05.420 students essentially from the beginning of the process to the end of the process to make it much

00:49:10.400 more difficult for a wrongly accused student to be able to defend himself and to, you know, with the

00:49:18.540 apparent goal of encouraging more reports by creating a more one-sided process. And I think what's to me

00:49:28.040 most remarkable about these regulations is that when we think of civil rights laws in the United

00:49:34.020 States, we think of a process of ever-expanding rights, always making progress with regards to

00:49:39.800 civil rights. This is one of the core elements of the American identity. This was a case where the

00:49:45.740 Biden administration has chosen to take away rights from accused students that they already had,

00:49:51.320 a right to a hearing, a right to cross-examination, a right to access the full evidence that the

00:49:56.100 university compiled against them, rights that seem like common sense rights, but don't fit the

00:50:01.580 particular agenda of the administration on this issue. It is amazing that you can actually convict

00:50:08.640 a student, that's effectively what these kangaroo courts do, of sexual assault, rape, take away his

00:50:14.220 college career, his scholarship, if any, his future prospects in corporate America, without the right to

00:50:21.760 cross-examine, with no right to cross-examine, or even potentially to see all the evidence,

00:50:28.140 and in front of a body that is nowhere near qualified to hear such evidence, and, as you've

00:50:33.500 pointed out repeatedly, is always stacked in favor of the accuser. I mean, the biggest change in these

00:50:41.240 regulations, the current regulations require all of the things that, you know, you just mentioned,

00:50:46.000 a hearing, cross-examination, all access to the evidence. The current regulations allow,

00:50:50.820 these new regulations, will allow for a school's Title IX coordinator herself, she doesn't even

00:50:57.500 have to hire anyone to do this, to conduct all of the investigation. There'll be no hearing at all.

00:51:02.700 Instead, there'll be individual interviews with the witnesses. The accused student will not see or hear

00:51:08.280 in real time the questions that are being asked of his accuser, won't be able to hear that testimony in

00:51:15.100 real time. And then the single investigator, without any hearing at all, will be able to pass judgment.

00:51:20.640 And as you pointed out, this is not a criminal court, right? But the life-altering effects of a

00:51:29.020 guilty finding in a Title IX process are, you know, they're just that. They ensure that the student is

00:51:33.800 likely to be expelled. The chances of getting into graduate school are zero. It will be on their

00:51:40.060 resume for the rest of their lives. And so, any chance of a good job is going to come up there as

00:51:45.460 well. Certainly, if a student commits sexual assault, you know, he should be punished for

00:51:49.780 this. But the purpose of the process should be to determine the truth of the allegation. It seems

00:51:55.760 like with these regulations, instead, the purpose of the process is to encourage reports by telling

00:52:01.380 complainants, look, you won't get asked tough questions. It will be one-sided. Don't worry about

00:52:06.220 it.

00:52:06.320 You'll never even have to be face-to-face with him. And anybody who's ever been in a courtroom

00:52:10.660 setting understands it's very important for the accused to sit there and be able to hear the

00:52:14.300 allegations against him, because he can sit there and lean over to his lawyer and say,

00:52:18.700 that's not true. She's misstating that. That one key detail was changed, and it matters. Here's why.

00:52:25.040 If he's not present to listen to her accusations against him, how is he supposed to meaningfully

00:52:30.060 fight? And by the way, you and I have been doing this long enough that I know the cases you've

00:52:35.660 worked on, some of them. And just for the audience members out there who might be thinking, it's very

00:52:41.200 rare for a woman to make up these stories. All right, get out of your head the Duke Lacrosse fake

00:52:48.240 victim. She's the most extreme case. She was a nutcase. She was a, you know, prostitute. She was

00:52:55.900 being pimped out by the boyfriend, and she decided to make up this terrible lie. These three guys had

00:53:00.860 not touched her, and she almost sent them to prison. That's the most extreme. But there are many cases

00:53:07.580 of what we might have called a one-day Sunday morning regrets. Women who have all sorts of reasons to

00:53:13.880 regret sleeping with a man consensually, who then either get pressured by their friends or their boyfriend

00:53:20.760 who they were cheating on or someone in their dorm into turning it into a sexual assault accusation.

00:53:29.420 Absolutely. I mean, the classic case in this area, I think it was the first time that we talked around a

00:53:33.720 decade ago, was this case at Amherst, where a female accuser seduced her roommate's boyfriend, who was heavily

00:53:40.320 intoxicated at the time. Word got out what she had done. She lost all of her friends, which is kind of

00:53:48.740 unsurprising. And then as part of a campus climate that encouraged students to think of uncomfortable

00:53:56.880 sexual encounters as sexual assault, she filed a Title IX complaint against the student. She,

00:54:04.720 through what was an obviously kangaroo court, she was able to get the guilty finding he was expelled.

00:54:11.280 And only when he filed a lawsuit did it come out that during that evening, she had been texting

00:54:17.760 two different people, one of whom she admitted in the text that she needed to come up with a good lie.

00:54:24.220 And so that, the evidence there was unusually strong. And in that case, the Amherst investigator,

00:54:30.120 who under the current regulations will now be entitled to pass judgment herself, the Amherst

00:54:35.280 investigator said that the fact that the accuser was texting at the time saying it was consensual,

00:54:40.040 saying that she needed to come up with a lie to explain for seducing her roommate's boyfriend,

00:54:44.060 that that evidence didn't matter, that the only evidence that matters in cases like this is once

00:54:49.000 the accuser decides that it was sexual assault, then what she says matters. But before that,

00:54:54.300 she could say anything that he want. That's a crazy standard. And that's a standard that's

00:54:59.280 obviously unfair. In a courtroom, that would never be allowed. But in these closed Title IX proceedings,

00:55:05.400 which again, no longer even have to be hearings, they can just be an investigator passing his or her

00:55:09.540 judgment. It's an inherently unfair process. It was, the Amherst case was one of the most

00:55:16.600 disturbing. There was also the Oberlin case that you and I talked about one time. Can you go through

00:55:21.740 some of the facts of that one? Because that was another one in which the guy was appointed,

00:55:25.520 you know, an accuser's representative who was a believe all women guy.

00:55:32.560 So this Oberlin case was just an amazing one where you had a one night stand. Both students were

00:55:43.060 intoxicated, but neither were incapacitated. And under Oberlin's regulations, it said that there

00:55:48.640 could only be sexual assault if a student were incapacitated, not just merely drunk. But the

00:55:54.300 student was nonetheless found guilty. And he was found guilty, first of all, because the Title IX

00:55:57.940 coordinator was on record saying that in cases where that are kind of gray cases, where we might

00:56:04.000 have a doubt between a woman and a man, we need to give the benefit of the doubt to the woman.

00:56:08.060 And then secondly, this Title IX coordinator had appointed as the advocate for the accused student,

00:56:13.880 someone who not only left the room during the middle of Oberlin's hearing, but then treated out,

00:56:19.820 as you mentioned, a couple of weeks later, that it was his cardinal principle to believe all

00:56:24.000 survivors. And this would be as if in a criminal process, the district attorney prosecuted the

00:56:30.820 case and then got to appoint his deputy as the person who would be the defense counsel for the

00:56:35.460 accused. It's Orwellian. But in the Title IX process, where the Title IX coordinator is under

00:56:42.880 heavy, heavy pressure from the federal government, from various campus constituencies, from victims'

00:56:50.400 rights groups as a whole, to come down with guilty findings, these kinds of events are all too

00:56:55.540 common. It might have been the Oberlin case, because I know that involved a man using a condom and then

00:57:02.400 for a short period not using a condom. But I think it was a different case where a young man was having

00:57:08.060 sex with a woman and there was some short, very short period where he wasn't using a condom.

00:57:14.880 And that her friend, after the fact, came to her and said, well, that was rape. Those five seconds,

00:57:22.260 you were raped because you didn't consent to that.

00:57:26.080 There have been multiple cases with that fact pattern. University of Maryland, the cases elsewhere,

00:57:33.120 instances. And I think it's such an important point. We live in a more advanced society than we

00:57:40.260 did 50 years ago, where it was like, you blame the victim because she's wearing a short skirt or tight

00:57:44.480 pants or anything like that. We live in a society that understands the horrors of sexual assault

00:57:49.160 and appropriately so. And so when you're an outsider and you hear, all right, college student A has

00:57:54.480 raped college student B, that he's been found guilty in this Title IX process, you assume it's the sort of

00:58:00.560 thing that would fit a criminal definition of rape or a societal definition of rape. But that in many,

00:58:07.280 and again, some of these cases are cases where the student should be found guilty and should be

00:58:11.220 expelled. But in many cases, they're at best ambiguous, at worst, like the Amherst or Oberlin

00:58:17.660 cases, outright wrongful claims. And the college nonetheless returns the guilty finding because

00:58:24.580 the college has a stake in these proceedings. And one of the key college stakes is if you find

00:58:30.080 someone guilty, you're not going to face campus protests. Anytime you come up with a not guilty

00:58:34.480 finding, you're running the risk of a campus protest that will storm the Title IX office,

00:58:38.580 someone storm the president's office. These people want to keep their jobs. And the easiest

00:58:42.080 way to keep their jobs is to is to function as a as a campus version of a hanging jury.

00:58:47.180 I mean, we've had I mentioned Duke, but we've had so many public incidents of this now with a

00:58:54.420 Columbia mattress girl who everybody believed and saw as a victim for all his time turned out no

00:58:59.320 UVA case, which demolished Rolling Stone's reputation. It's never recovered. And we can go through

00:59:06.060 just maybe we can just remind the audience some of these facts. And then recently out at Yale,

00:59:12.020 the one woman who worked, I think, at Yale was saying she had been raped twice. Suddenly she'd been

00:59:18.400 raped on campus twice and they were out there with a great bill. It happens on Yale. Yale allows rapists.

00:59:23.220 She made the whole thing up. It happens over and over. And the only way we ultimately get to,

00:59:29.800 oh, it was a lie, is through the evidentiary process, which must be meaningful and must

00:59:35.980 protect the rights of the accused, not just the accuser.

00:59:41.980 One of the things that when when when I talk about this issue and I remind people about the

00:59:46.340 Duke Lacrosse case, that this was a case where these these these three wholly innocent students

00:59:53.100 are accused. They are vindicated because they have lawyers. They have to get all of the evidence

00:59:58.800 that the prosecution had discovered that, by the way, is no longer required under the current

01:00:04.040 regulations. The accused student only gets evidence that the Title IX coordinator deems

01:00:08.340 relevant, a huge shift back. And in Duke Lacrosse, one of the things they found out was that the DNA

01:00:13.620 evidence exonerated the the three students. But if these students had been tried in a campus court,

01:00:20.380 they almost certainly would have been found guilty. UVA is another great example here. We all know the

01:00:25.320 core elements of the Rolling Stone UVA story. This this woman fantasized a sexual assault,

01:00:30.860 convinced a former Rolling Stone reporter, Sabrina Rubin-Erdle, that she actually had been

01:00:37.640 assaulted. It was provably wrong in multiple respects. And ultimately, as you mentioned,

01:00:44.240 Rolling Stone's reputation was shot. But what wasn't shot was the University of Virginia's reputation.

01:00:50.040 UVA immediately suspended the fraternity at which the sexual assault didn't occur.

01:00:53.800 The student government passed condemnatory resolutions condemning this sexual assault,

01:00:59.260 which, again, didn't occur. University of Virginia faculty publicly criticized the fraternity,

01:01:04.440 again, at which the assault didn't occur. And none of these people apologized after the case

01:01:08.680 collapsed. They just went on with their lives. And so one of the things that differentiates the campus

01:01:14.140 environment, the Title IX environment, from a broader public is that when they're wrong,

01:01:19.700 and there have been more than 250 court cases where the decision has been unfavorable to the

01:01:25.940 university in this area, when they're wrong, in almost every case, the perpetrators of that wrong

01:01:33.120 simply go on about their lives at the university and with the accuser themselves. It's an environment

01:01:39.580 in which there's almost the incentives against filing dubious or outright false allegations are minimal

01:01:47.700 or non-existent. And, you know, the Duke case involved another factor, which, let's face it,

01:01:55.320 everybody knows how this would go, which was race. The accuser, Crystal Mangum, was black. She was

01:02:02.000 accusing three white boys who were portrayed by the media as very rich. They weren't. One of them had

01:02:08.000 family money, and I think the other two did not. And she was from the wrong side of the tracks in

01:02:13.420 Durham. And we had a DA who was running for reelection in a majority minority community where

01:02:19.240 he was trying to win the black vote. And it was unfathomable to the press that they would go down

01:02:25.800 there. And this is before George Floyd, before DEI was everywhere, to say the black woman might be

01:02:31.860 making up a terrible lie against these three white boys. And yet there was Dave Evans,

01:02:38.920 the captain of the Duke lacrosse team, who came out in the only public statement after they were

01:02:43.600 arraigned and said, you have all been told some fantastic lies. And it took Reed Seligman's dad

01:02:51.000 going and getting the ATM receipt that Reed had from that night to show he couldn't have been there

01:02:55.600 assaulting Crystal Mangum, all this. She wound up having the DNA of five men inside of her that

01:03:01.200 night, not one of whom was one of the Duke lacrosse players. Duke canceled the entire lacrosse season,

01:03:08.100 knee jerk right away. All these boys suffered. The program suffered. These guys who devoted their

01:03:13.720 lives to this wonderful sport and got a scholarship to Duke and lives ruined like that based on an

01:03:20.760 allegation. And how did we learn she was a liar through evidence through the boys ability to hire

01:03:28.720 a lawyer. And look at that. I mean, like at least one of the boys did have some family dough in Duke,

01:03:34.360 but you tell me Casey, what's going to happen to the young men who get into college campuses,

01:03:39.040 speaking of race, who may happen to be, uh, let's say Brown or black, or let's say of any race,

01:03:45.920 but from a poor community or a poor family who can't afford a lawyer, how are they going to

01:03:52.320 understand the new title nine and their rights? It's, it's a, it's a great question. I mean,

01:03:58.020 one of the striking things about this is that we've had this, this obsessive focus on race on campuses

01:04:03.040 in the last four years since George Floyd, except, except on this issue. There are, there are multiple

01:04:10.160 cases, uh, involving white female accusers and either black or brown male accused where the

01:04:17.280 process has been wildly tilted, um, against the accused student. And, uh, you know, a lot of these

01:04:22.800 advocates of, of, of DEI on campus simply don't, uh, don't care. And even for those people who have

01:04:29.440 lots of money in this, uh, in this system, you know, they're not going to, they're, it's, it's not going to

01:04:34.800 vindicate them. I mean, again, try to imagine how the Duke lacrosse case might've worked in this,

01:04:38.320 in this current system. That was the case where the first key element was that the, the, the,

01:04:44.240 the students lawyers got access to all of the evidence. These new regulations expressly allow

01:04:49.720 colleges to exclude evidence that they deem not relevant. Title nine coordinator does the decision.

01:04:55.520 Second key thing was that the accused, uh, students lawyer, uh, this guy named Brad Bannon,

01:04:59.900 who was a great cross examiner, cross-examined a key witness for, uh, for the prosecution and,

01:05:06.300 and showed that there was concealment of DNA evidence. These new regulations ensure that

01:05:11.020 schools, unless they are legally obligated to, can, can set up a system in which there's no

01:05:16.220 cross-examination or even no hearing at all. And then finally, if that due case had ever gone to trial,

01:05:21.740 one of the key things in that case would have been expert testimony that would have allowed

01:05:25.900 the jury to understand this DNA evidence, understand how the, the, um, uh, the, the,

01:05:31.660 the medical process should have worked. These new regulations expressly allow, uh, colleges

01:05:37.100 to forbid, accuse students from calling any expert witnesses in a title nine, uh, process.

01:05:42.700 So it's a, it's a from start to finish approach that seeks to gut the ability to articulate a

01:05:50.140 meaningful defense. The assumption here is that the allegation must be true. And the purpose of the

01:05:55.340 process is to kind of move everyone through, ensure that the college won't get sued because they can

01:06:00.540 say, all right, we gave some kind of process, um, but not meaningfully test the, uh, the allegations

01:06:05.900 in any way. They have changed the due process rights of accused on college campuses back to believe

01:06:13.820 all women. That's the new process. That's the new process. And it was, you know, Obama's the one who

01:06:19.820 did all this. And then it was undone by Trump who changed title nine. And now it's just been redone

01:06:25.260 by Biden. And you tell me Casey, it, it can still be undone. What are the options?

01:06:31.180 Yes. So, so there, there are two, um, routes, one of which is, is I think unlikely. I mean,

01:06:36.060 there, there, I'm sure that there will be litigation. The state of Texas has been very

01:06:39.740 aggressive in litigating in this area in, in challenges to the current regulations. And so

01:06:44.220 it's my hope that we'll see some, some litigation there. I would assume that we will see accused

01:06:48.540 students file litigation, um, in the, uh, you know, against the Department of Education on these

01:06:53.900 grounds. Imagine a situation where, um, these regulations go into effect on August 1st.

01:06:58.620 Let's say that the allegation comes against you on August 2nd. Well, a student who was,

01:07:02.940 who was charged two days earlier would have a right to a hearing, right to evidence, right to

01:07:06.860 cross-examination. And then all of those rights are going to be taken away from you. And so it's possible

01:07:10.780 that we may get suits there. It's, it's hard to sue against regulations. And so they are,

01:07:15.820 you know, I, I, there's a chance, but, uh, uh, not a great chance. The second approach would be

01:07:20.460 that just as Biden has undone Trump, uh, regulations, if Biden is defeated, uh, you know,

01:07:24.700 we may see a future Republican administration try to restore a modicum of, uh, of procedural fairness.

01:07:30.300 And there's one other path, which is that a handful of states in various ways, Utah, North Carolina,

01:07:37.260 North Dakota have passed laws that, that provide at least some due process protections, uh, in,

01:07:43.260 in title nine tribunals. And so one of the things that I'm hoping we may see a response here would

01:07:48.220 be a state like Florida, where, you know, where there's been some aggressive willingness to, to,

01:07:52.460 to push back against the Biden administration. Um, it would be nice to see a state that, that,

01:07:56.940 that passes a robust, uh, package of, of, of due process bills, uh, the, the, the, the campus civil

01:08:03.340 liberties organization, um, uh, fire, um, you know, has a model due process, uh, uh, bill that they've,

01:08:10.220 you know, that they've offered and, and hopefully some states will provide state law as a way to

01:08:15.020 protect, uh, accused, uh, accused students. There, there's an interesting element of these

01:08:20.060 regulations because of all of the, the, the court rulings against universities in this, in this area,

01:08:26.140 the regulations do admit that schools have to have the option to allow a full hearing to cross,

01:08:33.020 and cross examination. They know that no school will voluntarily, uh, do that. But if either a

01:08:37.660 court orders them to do that, or if their state, uh, you know, adopts a law that requires it,

01:08:42.140 that they're there, that's a way to, to, to work around the, um, uh, the regulations,

01:08:46.940 at least on a patchwork basis. So we, we would get a situation almost where it would depend on what

01:08:52.380 state you, you choose to go to school in as to whether you'd have a fair proceeding or not,

01:08:58.380 which of course is not how Title IX is supposed to work. And that's, that was the situation under

01:09:02.620 Obama. We talked about that too, about, I remember my, one of my producers at the time had a kid who was,

01:09:07.260 you know, edging up to college age. And we were talking about how you better do a Google search

01:09:11.100 and figure out where he has a right to due process and where he doesn't before you send him off to

01:09:16.540 college. I just want to say, you know, this is such an election issue for me. And I think about

01:09:21.660 all the young women out there who are worried and young men, frankly, about abortion rights.

01:09:25.580 They let's face it. You think about that more when you're a younger person and you're

01:09:29.580 more childbearing age. Okay. I get it. I want to make a plea to all the young moms and dads out there,

01:09:36.460 the ones who have children already, whose families are set and urge you to consider

01:09:41.580 protecting your existing children with your vote. Don't be so focused on the right to abort

01:09:48.380 a future child that you forget to protect the ones who are already here. Do you want your son

01:09:54.220 getting expelled and having his life ruined because one woman has Sunday morning regrets? Do you want your

01:10:00.460 daughter to have to be exposed to perverts with their penises out in her locker room and to lose

01:10:06.460 her college education and reputation because she says something about it? Fight for your children who

01:10:12.220 are here. Have some perspective and priorities. Casey, thank you. You're great. Love talking to

01:10:19.580 you. Thank you so much for all the great work you've done on this. I hope you guys are starting

01:10:25.420 to get it. I hope you understand why we scrapped our show today. I hope you see some sort of fair

01:10:29.740 coverage about this in the press. I have very little expectation that you will. I think only

01:10:35.260 right wing media will talk about this. And I've got to be honest, I think even most right wing media

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01:12:10.940 Well, we've been talking about the changes to Title IX implemented by the Biden administration today.

01:12:15.440 It's no longer hypothetical. It happened and it takes effect August 1st, how it affects biological

01:12:21.100 women and girls, not to mention young men who get accused on college campuses. Today, we've got two

01:12:26.780 very smart ladies here today joining us for the first time. Alex Clark is the host of The Spillover

01:12:32.180 with Alex Clark. And Mary Morgan is host of Pop Culture Crisis. Alex, Mary, thank you both so much

01:12:38.820 for being here and thanks for your flexibility on what turned out to be a crazy day of news.

01:12:42.880 I don't know. Yeah, that's all right. Pissed as I am? I'm fucking pissed. I'm sorry. What your thoughts?

01:12:48.380 No, I'm so irate. And that was exactly what I was going to say is that women all over the country

01:12:53.560 today should be saying F this, F this with this news about Title IX. It's absolutely terrifying.

01:13:01.860 I actually saw that somebody called this a scheme to finish off the last bare scraps of masculinity

01:13:08.000 in this country. And that is honestly the best synopsis I've heard because this affects men and

01:13:13.120 women, right? Young men and young women. And the media, I think they want you to believe that it's

01:13:17.880 the right perpetuating this war on women. But the reality is, we know, is that it's the anti-science,

01:13:24.840 it's the anti-biology left. The past four years, they have tried to set up this narrative that

01:13:30.500 we're all science deniers to hide what their true plans were. They're tearing down the institutions and

01:13:36.920 norms that they see as standing in the way of progress, which of course just means anti-human,

01:13:43.040 anti-women. And the sickest part of all of this, I think, Megan, is that parents are going to think,

01:13:47.540 well, my kid's school aren't going to go along with this. My kid's school will say no. But then

01:13:52.240 you find out that the Biden admin is telling schools, well, if you don't comply, they won't

01:13:56.040 get government funding for lunch, aka they are threatening to not feed children in schools if they

01:14:01.800 don't allow boys to change in front of girls. It's asinine. It's, I mean, I have a little bit more

01:14:08.140 of a cynical take. Yeah, I have a little bit more of a cynical take than Alex on this, because I know

01:14:14.760 you're saying women should stand up and say F this throughout the entire nation, but we know that

01:14:21.140 that's not actually going to happen. They're still going to show up in droves to vote for Biden. And I

01:14:27.200 guess my advice for those affected by the revisions would have been the same yesterday as it is today,

01:14:33.540 which is to the young men on college campuses, you need to keep your head down, keep it in your

01:14:40.220 pants, don't engage in all of this degeneracy that isn't just allowed, but encouraged on college

01:14:46.760 campuses, which leads to all of these Me Too accusations. And then also to the women, especially

01:14:53.040 the women athletes who are being affected by this, you do need to speak up. And unfortunately,

01:14:59.960 women like Riley Gaines, they're few and far between. They're the exception, not the rule. And that's the

01:15:05.940 dilemma that I've run into every time that I think about this issue is that women are not going to be

01:15:12.800 willing to assert themselves until they feel it is comfortable to do so. But nothing is going to

01:15:18.380 change until that changes. That is so interesting. Yes. I mean, of course, you're right. And like

01:15:25.580 Heather McDonald's been writing whole books about this, by the way, she's on the show next week, love her,

01:15:29.340 about how like this campus degeneracy that's become the norm. Like, yeah, you know, just bang,

01:15:34.660 whoever comes across your doorstep. Sure. You know, treat women like shit, have as many sex partners,

01:15:40.340 get as drunk as you want, as often as you want. Like that, that is no way to go through life or

01:15:44.320 college. But what we've also seen is really good kids who have done nothing other than start a

01:15:50.960 consensual loving relationship with somebody on campus, get accused. Like in the example I was

01:15:54.820 talking to Casey about where for literally for five seconds or like two seconds, this one guy didn't

01:16:00.180 have a condom on. It's like they had a condom and then something happened. And then what,

01:16:04.340 I can't remember if they started without one, but something happened where they were having

01:16:07.460 consensual sex. She wanted the sex. And for like two seconds, he didn't have a condom on

01:16:11.220 and the roommate convinced her that was a rape. The kid wound up getting his life ruined over it.

01:16:16.980 So it's, you know, as the mother of two boys and a girl, I see they could go to college campus and act

01:16:23.000 like angels, Alex, and they could still get labeled sex offenders, not even by their chosen lover,

01:16:30.340 but by the lunatic friend who caused all the trouble.

01:16:34.100 I know. I was so curious, Megan, how you were feeling about your own kids. Because for me,

01:16:38.580 I don't have kids yet, but when I do, God willing, I'm really hoping that I can convince them

01:16:44.220 that they don't need college, that they can build a career without college. That's what I did. I

01:16:48.360 didn't go to college. I just feel like there's so much evidence that this is a hell hole now. I mean,

01:16:55.200 everywhere from elementary school, all the way up through university age, I just feel like it's

01:17:00.160 useless. And so I'm wondering, like, are you thinking, oh, I want to try to get my kids to

01:17:04.580 maybe consider other options now? Or are you like, no, we're going to fight this? Or how do you feel?

01:17:09.000 I would love if they could go to a college like I went to, when I went to Syracuse,

01:17:13.500 they weren't pushing all this stuff on, on me. You know, it was like slightly, slightly not woke,

01:17:18.880 but you know, more progressive in the way they talked about issues, but only slightly ever,

01:17:22.120 ever. But I would love for them to get an education in the classics, you know, to go to a university

01:17:27.060 where they sit and they have a class by Victor Davis Hanson, who really gets into history and

01:17:31.780 great authors and lessons. That would be exciting to me. I don't know where that is. You know,

01:17:36.500 Liberty Hillsdale, there needs to be options, right? For people who, who don't want to travel,

01:17:42.180 who don't want to go that far. I'm really concerned about it. I'm not going to lie. I'm very

01:17:45.660 concerned about Alex. I don't know what to do. And I really worry about this issue. I always have

01:17:49.960 since the Obama friend letter, that's what caused all this trouble around title nine.

01:17:54.560 But I also worry about my daughter, right? Like I, I used to worry, I don't want her to get sexually

01:17:59.560 assaulted. I do want her to be able to exact justice if it happens, but not in a kangaroo court with no

01:18:05.720 justice, no due process. And I also don't want her to confront penises, Mary in the, in the locker

01:18:11.160 room or in the bathroom where we created sex segregated spaces to prevent the sexual assault of women.

01:18:17.400 Yeah, of course. I mean, I think that colleges have essentially turned into

01:18:23.720 holding pens for young adults who basically have no other direction to go. And that's how it felt

01:18:32.580 when I was in that stage of applying for colleges. It was just like the default decision that you make

01:18:38.680 at this point in life. And that's to say nothing of the amount of debt that people are agreeing to

01:18:44.660 take on at 17, 18 years old. It's absolutely insane. It's usurious. It is incredibly corrupt.

01:18:53.120 And then you have the indoctrination, then you have the sexual assault and you have binge drinking

01:18:59.180 culture. And by the end of it, I think that you cannot leave college being the same person when you

01:19:05.780 joined it. Hmm. You know, I worry about like, there was this, um, it was a case I forgive me.

01:19:13.580 I don't know the details of it. I just saw it online today. Riley gains tweeted it out and I

01:19:17.000 don't have it in front of me, but it was a group of young women competing in the shot put. And rather

01:19:22.300 than actually throw the shot put against the other team, which had a trans player, meaning a man,

01:19:29.520 these are the girls, they, their faces have been blurred. Look what they do. They, they make,

01:19:33.420 like they're going to do it. Like they're like kind of squatting down, like they're going to hurl

01:19:36.960 these big, heavy shot puts. And then they don't watch this for the listening audience. The girls

01:19:41.820 are sort of coming out on the circle from which they throw the shot put. They're circling a little,

01:19:45.680 they're kind of bending down with a shot put up, like they're going to throw it. And then they walk

01:19:49.000 off and they're protesting. Good for them. God bless them. They're protesting the, these schools,

01:19:55.960 making them play against a biological male. And I've got real questions now about post

01:20:03.400 these title nine changes about whether these girls could get accused of sex discrimination,

01:20:10.740 sexual harassment, that these girls could effectively get in trouble or potentially even

01:20:16.400 expelled from a school. Thanks to Joe Biden, the sniffer of young girls' hairs, right? Like

01:20:24.600 how on earth is this guy suddenly the moral arbiter of what our young girls should or should not do and

01:20:30.560 say? Well, supposedly the title nine revision stops just short of banning schools from prohibiting

01:20:40.380 trans athletes to join women's sports. I just don't have any faith that in practice we're going to see

01:20:46.620 that. Um, but I think especially seeing that video from West Virginia, being from West Virginia myself,

01:20:52.640 uh, it was hitting close to home and yeah, it was like really cool to see those girls finally standing

01:20:59.320 up for themselves and standing up for what's right when adults around them are letting this ridiculousness

01:21:05.920 rain. And I mean, I think that on a deeper level, this stuff really started when we denied the spiritual

01:21:16.760 differences between men and women, not just the biological ones, although that's really important.

01:21:21.900 That's really important distinction to make because how can you protect anyone from discrimination on

01:21:27.160 the basis of sex when you don't even know what sex is, but we rejected the idea that we as men and women

01:21:34.340 have spiritually predetermined roles. And by that point, we were already, already well on the fast track to

01:21:43.780 this level of insanity that we're seeing today. Hmm. It's crazy. It's like just last week,

01:21:50.540 there was a story about, you know, they keep trying to change pedophilia into, um, minor attracted adults.

01:21:58.940 They're actually trying to make that a thing, Alex, where like, we no longer use that term because it's

01:22:05.140 too stigmatizing. They're just my, it's incredible. The slippery slope we're on right now, morally and culturally.

01:22:12.980 Yeah. I mean, basically the moral of the story here is women's rights are over. They're over. It's done. Um,

01:22:21.700 the feminists, I mean, thanks so much for nothing in the reason. I think people wonder like, well, how could this

01:22:27.740 be? How could this be? I don't understand. Why would people defend a man's right, a perverted man to have access

01:22:34.700 to women and wanting, uh, and, and this, this desire to protect gender identity so hard? Why would anybody fight for

01:22:41.240 this? You have to understand that this is a Marxist tool for the government to come in and say, hey, oh my gosh, don't

01:22:48.320 worry. We're going to make everyone equal under the guise of equity, which of course is a term to destabilize the

01:22:54.280 nation. And all of this is so that they are instituting this totalitarian government. If you don't know what a man or a

01:23:01.220 woman is, it allows the government to start making laws where if you don't say what they want you to

01:23:06.400 say, like you're misgendering someone, which they're already doing in Canada, that's jail time. So in

01:23:11.880 America, they're baiting people like us with conservative values to commit these crimes, get us

01:23:18.920 to protest, get us to say, we're not going to allow a man to enter the restroom at planet fitness,

01:23:23.900 fitness, get us to say that our daughters are not going to change in the same locker room as a boy

01:23:28.200 so that they can come in then and jail us and say, okay, now we're taking your rights away.

01:23:32.460 Now you're not allowed to vote. They need this instituted. This is my belief. So that as

01:23:37.040 conservatives, we are unpersoned and have our rights stripped away from us.

01:23:43.720 You know, you guys saw that Andrew Tate is sort of in the news this week. He sent out this absurd

01:23:51.140 tweet and then Ben Shapiro took it on. And I almost never covered this person. I

01:23:57.540 generally try to stay away from covering Cretans like this. I have zero interest to even have his

01:24:03.120 name come out of my mouth, but it is interesting because my own take on it is people like this

01:24:11.340 result from people like we're talking about on the left, these disgusting overreaches by these leftist

01:24:19.520 fools who are trying to erase sex differences, as you were pointing out, Mary, and so on that

01:24:24.740 they've led to the backlash, which I don't support in this way of people like Andrew Tate, who is

01:24:31.920 accused of sex trafficking women and is all over, you know, on tape admitting to treating women like

01:24:38.740 absolute pigs. Um, and I worry about it because that strain is rising. It's rising. It's not to be

01:24:47.720 confused with the Jordan Peterson's of the world who are amazing and intellectual and everyone should be

01:24:53.160 listening to. He's got so many fascinating, important things to say. This is a different

01:24:56.860 strain. Anyway, I wanted to get into it because I did find it interesting. Ben's response to get

01:25:02.940 folks up to speed. Here was the tweet. Forgive me for reading an Andrew Tate tweet. As I say,

01:25:07.540 I almost never do this. He writes the following, dear white men, you're fucked. You're being replaced

01:25:14.800 because none of you have children. Even those of you bitching about the replacement online,

01:25:19.500 like little girls don't find the gumption to F. I see white men bragging about having five kids as

01:25:27.140 if it's an achievement. LOL. Five LOL per year, right? Oh, all you white boys lost control of your

01:25:33.100 women. Y-O-U apostrophe R-E. Hello, Andrew at Little Schooling would help. Um, and now they won't accept

01:25:39.460 multiple wives anymore. Yes, this is a perfect diagnosis of the problem. Now they tell you they

01:25:46.780 don't want any more kids. One's enough. They don't want to do their God-given job anymore.

01:25:52.380 So they want Instagram likes instead. So you are genetically potential. You're, I'm really having

01:25:59.720 trouble with his grammar. So you're Y-O-U apostrophe R-E. Wrong again, Andrew. Genetic potential is stumped

01:26:05.620 by the whims of some singular female, a female who takes nine whole months to grow a single baby.

01:26:11.220 Other races have multiple ovens for bread. All right, you get the picture. He's an idiot.

01:26:16.300 He's a moron and he's probably a criminal. So Ben decided to respond. And here's just a little bit

01:26:21.780 of that in Sop 4. The idea is, and this is how you know it's a con, marriage is bad, right? He's

01:26:28.060 actively saying that marriage is bad because if you're a person who has five kids, LOL. Now Andrew Tate

01:26:35.480 himself claims that he has double digit kids. We've never met any of those kids. We don't know exactly who

01:26:40.220 the moms are. They, maybe it's like a girlfriend in Canada. We don't actually know. But for those of

01:26:44.780 us who do have say four kids, I have four kids. I've been married for 15 years. If you have four

01:26:50.260 kids, double the replacement rate, you are in fact doing your societal job and you should be doing

01:26:56.560 that. But that can only exist. Functional children, children who are going to propagate good values,

01:27:02.100 require a father in the home. See, here's the thing. If you knock a bunch of ladies and you leave,

01:27:05.640 you have created a generation of young men who are incapable of raising themselves.

01:27:13.300 Because Mary Andrew Tate is arguing you should have at least 30 children and not be a father to

01:27:18.840 any of them because it's all about spreading, I guess, your white man seed. I'm not exactly sure

01:27:24.380 of the argument. Look, there is an ugly strain of guys who believe in this crap. And this guy's

01:27:34.020 hugely popular. I mean, he's hugely popular. That's why Ben's responding to him. He's got like

01:27:37.420 9 million followers on Twitter, Instagram, and so on. So what do you make of his influence? It's

01:27:44.460 unbelievable to me. Well, I mean, obviously he's promoting polygamy, but tell me, how is that any

01:27:53.940 different from the leftists who talk about polyamory and they promote being in a polycule with a bunch

01:28:04.320 of other fat people with colored hair spreading STDs and writing think pieces about it? How is that

01:28:12.660 really any different on a substantive level? But, you know, I read that post through and it struck a

01:28:21.940 nerve. I mean, I don't know how serious he was trying to be with that post, but clearly it struck

01:28:28.400 a nerve. And as a Catholic, obviously, I disagree with the part about polygamy and all of this

01:28:36.820 degeneracy that he is pushing, but any effective, compelling lie, it has a little seed, no pun intended,

01:28:45.400 of truth in it, which starts with women in the West are kind of out of control. They're kind of

01:28:53.660 crazy. They're all on birth control. They're all feminists or at the very least have some strain of

01:29:00.540 feminism that they have been raised in unquestioningly. And yeah, the birth rates are

01:29:07.000 low in the West. That is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. So what you do if you're a grifter,

01:29:13.500 and I'm not necessarily saying Andrew Tate is a grifter, I don't know what's going on.

01:29:17.700 I am a grifter, loser.

01:29:19.080 I am too, Megan.

01:29:20.000 If you're a grifter, you have to diagnose a problem correctly and then sell the solution. That's what

01:29:27.500 he's doing.

01:29:28.040 Yeah, you're right. And Ben was saying that too. Ben was saying this is how he grifts. He offers

01:29:32.920 one nugget of truth in almost everything he says, and then all the other stuff around it is lies.

01:29:37.740 Yeah, go ahead, Alex, because there's more I could show you of Andrew Tate. I mean, if you

01:29:43.280 Google Andrew Tate and look at any compilation of videos about him, your stomach will turn. You

01:29:47.700 will throw up in your mouth. It's sad that this person has as much influence as he does, but go

01:29:51.620 ahead.

01:29:52.560 Well, it's also sad that so many people in the conservative movement are completely duped by

01:29:56.320 him and still want to platform him and defend him. I, for the life of me, cannot understand that.

01:30:01.360 Uh, this is a prime example of the problems with bread pill ideology that is, it really

01:30:06.840 is rotting men's brains. Most of this, I think it is staying on Twitter, but you have to understand

01:30:12.520 it is seeping out into the conservative, regular dating pool. I am having to explain this, you

01:30:20.660 know, what this actually means and what it is to people in my everyday life so frequently

01:30:24.700 because it's confusing. You're using a term like red pill. Well, a year ago, the term red

01:30:29.840 pill, that was a good thing. It was like, Oh, that means you become conservative, but

01:30:32.940 now it has a double meaning. And it has to do with how jaded you are about women in

01:30:37.700 relationships. And it's this entire ideology surrounding like women in culture that is

01:30:42.280 so sick. It's just like the pendulum swung. And this is the male alternative to feminism

01:30:47.880 essentially, but for men and Andrew Tate is encouraging men to impregnate as many random

01:30:52.820 women as you possibly can, because exactly what Mary was saying, what he's saying is true

01:30:56.820 that Western civilization and particularly white people, that is true. We are being replaced.

01:31:02.100 There is truth to this because the birth rate is a terrifying problem. So you, you trick these

01:31:07.160 people that are, they just don't understand the nuance of what these weird right wing subcultures

01:31:12.200 are into thinking like, well, this guy, he's saying true things. We aren't having enough kids.

01:31:16.500 Okay. Well, what do you think will happen to Gen Z and Gen A and their elderly age? You know,

01:31:22.040 if we don't turn this around and have tons of kids themselves, they're screwed. Absolutely no

01:31:26.640 one to take care of them. So yeah, the birth rate is a problem. So that's Andrew's great solution.

01:31:30.340 Screw a bunch of chicks, which sounds fun to a 19 year old kid, get them all pregnant so we can

01:31:36.200 fix the birth rate problem. Now you have an excuse to sleep with tons of girls and guess what? It's

01:31:42.300 for a moral good. It's for a moral good. That's what Andrew is telling us.

01:31:46.300 Does it work out when we have all these fatherless children running around? Uh, right. Okay. Go visit

01:31:50.800 the South side of Chicago. If you want to know the answer to that, um, this breaking news just in

01:31:55.120 ladies, this is unbelievable. Fox news just caught this on camera. A man just set himself on fire

01:32:05.840 outside of the Trump New York city trial again. Yes. Another one. My God. Another one. You know,

01:32:14.000 we saw the guy, the, uh, pro Palestinian protester do this in New York. And now I really hope that

01:32:19.740 this doesn't like become a social contagion. That's insane. Exactly. This is deeply disturbing.

01:32:26.880 We have no idea what the cause was when it happened not long ago outside of the UN. I think it was,

01:32:33.620 it was a pro Palestinian protester and he was praised. He was praised by many as doing the ultimate

01:32:39.920 act of protest. And again, we do not know whether he had a cause at all or whether he was just one

01:32:48.000 of the many homeless, disturbed people in New York city via media, CNN, um, anchors interrupted by

01:32:55.140 shocking moment. Man lit himself on fire. Uh, I can smell the burning of flesh. CNN's Laura Coates

01:33:02.360 interrupted the live report on the trial to announce that someone had lit himself on himself on fire.

01:33:06.640 First responders were rushing to put out the fire. She also reported smelling some sort of an

01:33:10.880 accelerant. The man appears to be still alive. My God, this is horrible. Horrible. This is, I mean,

01:33:18.880 I don't know what the problem is here, but it's like any form of protest that involves this level of

01:33:24.760 violence is deeply wrong. And if it is just a homeless person looking for attention, also deeply

01:33:32.760 wrong, right? We we've paid almost no attention to that problem in New York. I don't, you're right

01:33:37.620 about the contagion. I hate to see it celebrated because whatever the purpose was, um, we just saw

01:33:43.200 it. It just doesn't seem like it could be accidental, Mary. Yeah. I mean, that's absolutely insane to hear

01:33:49.200 another cases happened like this. I mean, it was, I feel like there's this religion of activism now

01:33:57.560 and anything you do for the activist cause is justified, even if it's violence against others

01:34:06.380 or violence against oneself. And I feel like a lot of the people who were valorizing Aaron Bushnell,

01:34:14.120 they were claiming that what he did was okay. And even praiseworthy because he didn't hurt anyone

01:34:21.720 else. He only hurt himself. And it was sort of an act of self-sacrifice on behalf of the Palestinian

01:34:30.120 people. They're just so unhinged and detached from reality. I don't even know what to say to that,

01:34:37.180 but they are clearly nihilists. Oh my God. It's awful. I, we, we have the, the video from Daily Caller.

01:34:46.320 You know what? There's no point. If you guys want to see it, you can see it online. I know,

01:34:49.220 I don't want to show it. It's just too dark. It's a Friday afternoon and there's been a lot

01:34:54.200 of darkness today. Let's end it on. It's not a fun note, but it's kind of a fun note.

01:34:59.620 Yesterday we reported on this school district out in Utah of all places, right? Red state, Utah,

01:35:04.880 where the children had taken to the streets to protest the furries in their school who they said

01:35:10.880 were biting them and spitting at them and clawing at them and weirdly spraying them with Febreze. I don't

01:35:19.220 you guys, your guess is as good as mine. The school spokesperson denied that there were furries

01:35:24.980 inside the school though, admitted that somewhere the little like cat ears. Um, but the students

01:35:30.260 said, no, there are. And today I think this is courtesy of lives of Tik TOK, which is they do

01:35:35.600 such great work. They have actual videos of furries in the school district. Is it a soundbite?

01:35:43.080 It's a soundbite. Hold on. Oh, here's video. They're chasing on all fours. Look. Oh my God.

01:35:53.160 This isn't happening. This is fine. Nothing is happening. Don't look over there. It's fine.

01:35:57.840 They have completely lost control. Wow. Totally. They lie about control. Right. Well, here's what I

01:36:05.440 think is the most ironic part is that this is the kind of stuff that's going on in our, in our public

01:36:10.640 schools. There was another video of, yeah, somebody walking their friend, you know, on a leash, uh,

01:36:15.580 at their high school. So we have this going on. And at the same time, the same people that defend

01:36:21.840 that will be blue in the face, screaming about how they would never dare homeschool their children

01:36:27.020 because they don't want those kids to end up socially awkward, socially awkward. They think

01:36:31.940 the homeschool kids are like, but this is going on in public schools. Hello. Look at this guy. I don't

01:36:37.280 even know what this is. It's like a hawk. I can't even tell what these are the actual,

01:36:40.620 this is the proof. These are the receipts. The kids were right. The spokesperson appears

01:36:44.940 to have lied. And you know what you should do if you get attacked by a furry on all fours

01:36:49.060 fight. I like your odds, Alex, Mary, come back. We'll do a proper segment the next time.

01:36:54.880 So great to have you both. Thank you. All the best on Monday. The EJs are here. Lots to go

01:37:02.520 over with them. Have a great weekend, everyone. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 19, 2024

Biden's Outrageous Title IX Changes Hurting Women and Men, with Alex Clark, Mary Morgan, May Mailman, Inez Stepman, and KC Johnson ｜ Ep. 771

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