The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Wealth Transfer, and Search Censorship, with Andrew Klavan, Nicole Levitt, and Todd Ricketts ｜ Ep. 380

00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal

00:00:02.160 on a wool coat from Winners,

00:00:03.760 I started wondering,

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00:00:08.560 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?

00:00:12.780 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:00:15.260 Did she pay full price?

00:00:16.600 Or that leather tote?

00:00:17.620 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:00:18.500 Or those knee-high boots?

00:00:20.300 That dress?

00:00:21.080 That jacket?

00:00:21.740 Those shoes?

00:00:22.780 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:44.800 Today we have an exclusive interview

00:00:46.480 you're not going to want to miss.

00:00:47.440 One woman's story about standing up to her employer

00:00:50.720 after she says the company divided staff up into race groups

00:00:55.440 and then asked white staff members to sign a contract

00:00:58.960 that stated, quote,

00:01:00.680 all white people are racist and I am no exception. 0.82

00:01:04.520 Guess what?

00:01:05.320 She had a problem with that.

00:01:07.300 But first, President Biden officially announces his student loan debt forgiveness plan.

00:01:13.760 It's a wealth transfer plan.

00:01:15.480 And progressives say, thanks, but we want more.

00:01:18.960 They're pissed.

00:01:20.000 They want the number to be bigger.

00:01:21.960 Think this is a one and done payoff?

00:01:23.620 I think again.

00:01:25.500 Joining me now, one of my favorite guests, one of the most brilliant minds alive today,

00:01:30.800 Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show for The Daily Wire.

00:01:34.040 So happy to have you back, Andrew.

00:01:39.840 Thanks for being here.

00:01:40.880 It's great to see you, Megyn.

00:01:42.120 Can we just start with this?

00:01:43.060 It's such a joke.

00:01:44.180 I mean, it's like, I love the names that they give it.

00:01:46.680 It's like forgiveness.

00:01:48.040 Oh, who's not pro-forgiveness?

00:01:50.040 You know, this policy works very simple.

00:01:51.960 You take out a loan and then you pay it back with interest.

00:01:54.640 That's how it goes.

00:01:55.520 It's how it's gone from the beginning of time

00:01:56.980 up until this guy was facing a midterm prospect that he didn't like.

00:02:01.160 And suddenly, in the way Barack Obama took out his pen and his phone

00:02:04.780 and did things on illegal immigration that he said he couldn't have done

00:02:07.360 for months and months prior, did something he and Nancy Pelosi and others,

00:02:12.380 including in the Obama administration, have all said he does not have the power to do,

00:02:16.480 which is just erased debt, which essentially means transferring it onto the rest of us.

00:02:21.480 What do you make of it?

00:02:22.400 Oh, economically, obviously, it's horrible.

00:02:25.560 But that's not the thing that bothers me the most.

00:02:27.900 They're saying it could cost up to $600 billion, which is just fuel on the fire of inflation.

00:02:35.140 But it really is the moral part of it that bothers me.

00:02:37.680 And it bothers me on a lot of different levels.

00:02:40.000 The most basic thing in the world is you borrow money, you pay it back.

00:02:43.400 I mean, that is one of the most basic obligations.

00:02:46.140 It is lawless to just sweep it away with a wave of your hand.

00:02:50.520 This is not a congressional act.

00:02:52.240 This is not a law that's been changed.

00:02:54.020 It's just a decision by one kingly chap who happens to be in the White House. 0.98

00:03:00.080 And I don't see how it can withstand any kind of judicial scrutiny, any kind of moral scrutiny.

00:03:05.980 And it's just so wicked at that level.

00:03:08.620 It's wicked to say you can borrow money, but you don't have to pay it back.

00:03:12.440 And it's wicked to say it to anybody when Bernie Sanders says, well, they do it to corporations.

00:03:17.380 Well, don't do it to corporations either.

00:03:18.960 I mean, when you borrow money, you should pay it back.

00:03:20.840 But it's also terrible in the sense that it is subsidizing this credentialized society,

00:03:28.400 which has rendered, among other things, has rendered our press corrupt and idiotic.

00:03:34.060 I mean, in the old days, when you were a reporter, you were probably a guy without a college education,

00:03:39.960 but who was smart and who could write.

00:03:42.000 And you probably had a bit of a chip on your shoulder and you wanted to take down anybody

00:03:45.580 with power.

00:03:46.300 And that was a good thing.

00:03:47.140 You didn't care if he was Republican or Democrat.

00:03:49.240 I was a reporter, you know, in a small town newspaper.

00:03:52.100 I worked with leftists.

00:03:53.060 I worked with right-wingers.

00:03:54.260 All we wanted to do was make powerful people look bad.

00:03:57.380 But once you started going to the journalism school, once you started credentializing reporters,

00:04:02.860 they became part of the ruling class.

00:04:04.940 And so they support whatever supports the ruling class.

00:04:07.740 The reporters you see now are not tough guy journalists with their snap rim hats and their

00:04:12.120 press cards in the band.

00:04:13.540 These are guys who are aspiring to be the people that they cover.

00:04:18.780 And you also have people who don't know anything, but they have their credentials.

00:04:23.640 I mean, we all remember Obama's aide, Ben Rhodes, telling the New York Times, frankly,

00:04:28.400 you guys don't know anything.

00:04:29.240 So we could sell you anything we wanted.

00:04:31.540 You don't know anything because you're children.

00:04:33.720 And meanwhile, those children can storm into the offices of the editor-in-chief and tell them

00:04:38.380 the way they want things covered, because that's the way they were taught in college.

00:04:42.480 All of that is being subsidized by the government to cover up the fact that it actually has made

00:04:48.100 people more incompetent.

00:04:49.960 It has actually made people's lives worse.

00:04:53.160 And finally, why is college so expensive?

00:04:55.980 It hasn't gotten more expensive because the professors are just so brilliant and really are

00:05:00.840 educating our children at new levels.

00:05:03.240 It's gotten so expensive because of these layers upon layers of administration.

00:05:06.840 Many of them with griefs like diversity or finding, rooting out bias.

00:05:14.380 And they also make our lives worse and they make college life worse.

00:05:18.200 If you pay somebody hundreds of thousands of dollars to find bias, the one thing you can

00:05:23.180 bet is they're not going to find no bias.

00:05:25.160 That's not what's going to happen because their job depends on finding bias.

00:05:28.480 It depends on stirring up trouble.

00:05:30.800 I've had at least one riot start because of me giving a speech at a college.

00:05:36.840 I've had people vandalize the places where I was going to speak.

00:05:40.200 And every single time, people who incited that violence were not the students.

00:05:45.040 It was not radical snowflakes who just got it into their heads that they had to take me down.

00:05:49.480 It was always flyers that were sent to them by the administration, pulling things that I'd

00:05:54.020 said out of context to make me sound hateful and small-minded and cruel.

00:05:58.100 And that stirred the students up.

00:06:00.900 So it really is funding.

00:06:03.020 What we now have is government funding people who want to be part of the ruling class and

00:06:07.700 then get jobs in the culture.

00:06:09.960 You have government funding these layers of administrative aides who do nothing but basically

00:06:16.480 condone left-wing points of view.

00:06:19.600 The kind of thing you were just talking about, about people condemning each other for their

00:06:23.320 races.

00:06:24.480 And then finally, you have government subsidizing dishonesty, taking out loans and not paying

00:06:30.340 them back.

00:06:31.040 It's a moral disaster.

00:06:32.280 It really is.

00:06:32.780 I think it may well be the worst thing this administration has done up there with its chaotic

00:06:39.760 retreat from Afghanistan.

00:06:42.120 There's so much in there I want to talk about.

00:06:43.920 I really want to get to your thoughts about colleges and universities and the ruling class

00:06:48.340 and what they're teaching now because you're the best read person ever.

00:06:52.800 So how do we get like that without going to college is one of my questions.

00:06:56.520 But let's table that for right now because I want to stay on the hard news before we get

00:07:00.280 to the more philosophical questions.

00:07:03.020 There was a report in March 2022 via the Bureau of Labor.

00:07:08.160 The unemployment rate right now for people who have a bachelor's degree or higher, the people

00:07:12.920 who are getting this, quote, forgiveness, is the lowest of any group.

00:07:17.640 It's two point two percent lowest.

00:07:20.240 The unemployment rate for people 25 years and older who only have a high school degree

00:07:24.040 is four point five percent.

00:07:27.080 They will be paying for the other group.

00:07:30.660 So the people who are the working class of Biden said yesterday, this is for the working

00:07:35.220 class.

00:07:35.860 No, it isn't.

00:07:36.860 That's not true.

00:07:37.420 The working class is going to be paying off the loans of the so-called upper class or upper 0.99

00:07:41.560 middle class.

00:07:42.900 This this helps people, families.

00:07:44.680 It could be just a couple that makes up to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year

00:07:49.320 that have advanced degrees from Wharton.

00:07:52.320 They can get this relief.

00:07:54.040 Why should some trucker listening to us right now on Sirius XM have to pay for those two?

00:08:00.980 Well, you get what you vote for is all I can say.

00:08:03.620 I mean, listen, my I have two sons in law who are attorneys.

00:08:06.580 Both of them have had college debt, and I'm looking forward to Uber drivers paying off their

00:08:11.400 their college debt because that is exactly what's going to happen.

00:08:14.800 You know, it is it is a remarkable thing and it wouldn't happen if our press weren't so

00:08:19.080 corrupt.

00:08:19.520 But it's a remarkable thing that the Democrats and socialists in general have repeatedly been

00:08:25.160 able to sell socialism to the people it hurts most.

00:08:30.000 Socialism every time it's put into operation.

00:08:32.980 And even when it's only put into operation piecemeal, like we're doing it here, it eliminates

00:08:37.700 the middle class.

00:08:39.240 I mean, they've got eighty billion dollars to send to the IRS for new auditors.

00:08:43.860 Who do you think they're going to be going after?

00:08:45.660 Jeff Bezos isn't losing any sleep about that.

00:08:48.100 But people who make two hundred thousand to four hundred thousand dollars are definitely

00:08:52.380 going to get hit because that's where the money is.

00:08:54.640 So if you're making seventy thousand, sixty thousand, you can be sold on the idea that

00:08:58.520 those people are rich.

00:08:59.760 But if they were rich, they wouldn't have to worry about the IRS because they could dodge

00:09:03.140 the payments.

00:09:04.160 What happens is it's the middle class that goes.

00:09:06.680 It's the people.

00:09:07.320 The Uber drivers are going to lose their money paying for the college educated.

00:09:10.960 The college educated are going to lose their money being audited by the IRS.

00:09:13.960 And ultimately, what socialism always does is it leaves you two classes instead of a step

00:09:19.560 of classes, several steps of classes.

00:09:22.300 All it leaves is the poor and the powerful on whom they depend.

00:09:26.140 And that works really well for dictators.

00:09:28.500 It works really well for socialists, but it doesn't work well for the rest of the country.

00:09:32.900 The thing about capitalism is you can always point to the unfairness of capitalism.

00:09:37.480 But it's and life is unfair.

00:09:39.040 There's no question about it, but it's a graded unfairness.

00:09:41.940 There are people who are at the bottom, but there are also steps upwards.

00:09:45.100 And you can move up those steps through capitalism.

00:09:47.440 The more the government takes over, the more they pay for things, the more that middle class 0.97

00:09:52.240 has to be sucked dry of its money to keep that payment, those payments afloat.

00:09:56.200 And the more that middle class disappears, the more you have a poor class dependent on a powerful 0.51

00:10:02.620 class.

00:10:03.180 And that is exactly what the Biden plan is doing.

00:10:06.380 You can see it.

00:10:07.140 I mean, you can see it.

00:10:07.940 The IRS agents are there to take out the upper middle class, and these loan transfers are

00:10:13.480 there to basically take out the lower class, giving their money to the upper middle class

00:10:18.500 who will then be taxed, will have it taxed away.

00:10:21.460 And so it really is a disturbing idea that people are so gullible that they can be ginned up

00:10:28.460 emotionally by cultural issues and let their freedoms be taken away.

00:10:32.680 The government is never, ever paying for something.

00:10:35.540 It's always buying.

00:10:36.860 It is always buying something.

00:10:38.340 There's nothing, there's no such thing as free.

00:10:40.200 The word free is not an English word.

00:10:42.120 It doesn't describe any realistic thing, except maybe the moon and the stars are free to look

00:10:46.740 at, but nothing else is free.

00:10:48.640 And so when the government tells you free healthcare, your first question should be, what's it going

00:10:52.460 to cost me?

00:10:53.300 And what it's going to cost you is your independence.

00:10:57.200 That's so true.

00:10:58.380 You know, Charles C.W.

00:11:00.580 Cook of National Review was pointing out, the guy who paid off his loans yesterday,

00:11:05.040 is not helped by this, right?

00:11:07.040 The guy who's taking out loans tomorrow is not helped by this.

00:11:10.240 But think if you were in that first category, you paid off your loans, you worked hard,

00:11:15.020 you paid them off yesterday.

00:11:16.760 If you had just waited, that's $10,000, potentially 20, that you could have done something else with.

00:11:24.000 I mean, you could have gone and had a grand old party.

00:11:26.040 I mean, just imagine like the penalty to those people for being these stupid chumps who paid

00:11:32.100 their bills.

00:11:33.040 That's the lesson Joe Biden would like America to learn.

00:11:36.860 He was asked just a bit about this by reporters at the presser yesterday.

00:11:40.860 Here's a bit of how that went.

00:11:42.300 Listen to this.

00:11:42.780 It's not one.

00:11:44.200 Mr. President, is this unfair to people who paid their student loans or chose not to take

00:11:48.460 out loans?

00:11:50.360 Is it fair to people who, in fact, do not own multi-billion dollar businesses?

00:11:56.920 I see why these guys get involved with that sense.

00:11:59.240 Is that fair?

00:12:00.580 What do you think?

00:12:02.360 What about people who paid their loans, though, struggle to pay their loans, and now others

00:12:06.680 don't have to?

00:12:07.420 Yeah, so it's a non sequitur.

00:12:12.380 It's a dodge, right?

00:12:13.760 It's just corporations got tax breaks.

00:12:15.720 Bye.

00:12:17.400 It's not a dodge.

00:12:19.040 It's the dodge.

00:12:19.800 It's what they always do.

00:12:20.920 It's the idea that some people are rich.

00:12:23.240 You're supposed to resent them.

00:12:24.740 And by resenting them, you're letting the government do whatever they do in the name of

00:12:28.120 taking them down.

00:12:29.340 The response that Elizabeth Warren gave when somebody said, you know, am I going to get my

00:12:33.840 money back because I paid up my loan?

00:12:35.280 And she basically disdainfully said, no, you know, absolutely not.

00:12:40.280 That punishment for honesty, that punishment for hard work is really part of the plan.

00:12:46.740 It's always been part of the plan.

00:12:48.320 I mean, the idea that people should be industrious, competitive, that they should want to succeed,

00:12:53.860 that they should get up a little early in the morning, that they should want their

00:12:56.520 kids to do better than they do.

00:12:58.420 Those are all things that get in the way of power for the powerful.

00:13:02.180 And, you know, the people who want power, they don't think they want it just like a

00:13:07.000 drug.

00:13:07.340 They think they want it because they're going to do such wonderful things with it.

00:13:10.260 You know, they're gathering together in Davos talking about, you know, they're flying

00:13:13.560 their private jets to Davos so they can talk about how we shouldn't drive our Volkswagens.

00:13:17.800 Or eat a cow.

00:13:18.660 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:21.120 They point to the guy who is a little bit over us.

00:13:24.680 The guy's a little bit richer than we are and say, oh, you know, he's cheating you.

00:13:29.820 But it's always them.

00:13:31.340 It always is them because our independence, which leads to good behavior, our independence,

00:13:36.740 which leads to hard work, our independence, which leads to paying off our debts, all those

00:13:41.640 things get in their way.

00:13:42.940 They do not want our good behavior.

00:13:44.720 They're punishing our good behavior on purpose.

00:13:46.460 When you punish something, you get less of it.

00:13:48.340 And that's what they want.

00:13:49.620 They are.

00:13:49.960 They are definitely teaching new lessons.

00:13:52.000 And they're exactly the wrong lessons when it comes to integrity, honor, contract law.

00:13:57.900 I mean, do you try this?

00:13:58.920 Try doing this with any other loan.

00:14:00.120 See how it works out.

00:14:01.560 The the question of whether this is just step one.

00:14:05.560 They always want more.

00:14:06.460 You say they always want more.

00:14:07.620 And already we're hearing that.

00:14:10.120 I mean, they're open about it.

00:14:11.120 I said in the intro, they're not happy.

00:14:13.380 The Democrats aren't celebrating this.

00:14:14.820 They're mad that the numbers as small as it is.

00:14:18.000 Ten thousand per person is not enough.

00:14:19.700 Could be up to 20.

00:14:21.100 Still not enough.

00:14:22.140 And here's a little montage of some of that reaction.

00:14:24.620 Saw three.

00:14:26.640 Well, I keep fighting for more.

00:14:28.220 Of course I will.

00:14:29.620 So respectfully, Uncle Joe, because I do love you.

00:14:34.140 But you have not needed my money in two years, more than two years.

00:14:38.380 So, um, why do I have to give you anything?

00:14:44.440 But what this is telling us is two things.

00:14:46.600 Number one, Biden does have the power to cancel all federal student loan debt.

00:14:49.980 He's just choosing not to.

00:14:51.380 10K is an arbitrary number.

00:14:52.860 It could be 65,000.

00:14:54.700 It could be 80,000.

00:14:56.320 It needs to be all of it.

00:14:57.220 Him canceling some student loan debt is important.

00:15:00.100 We need more.

00:15:01.020 Every penny of student debt should be erased because college is a public good and it should be free.

00:15:05.980 This is like iconic and truly historic.

00:15:09.300 I know a lot of us wanted more, but I'm going to take what I can get.

00:15:14.400 Why does everyone like who comments in that way look the same?

00:15:19.760 Right?

00:15:20.080 Yeah.

00:15:20.240 Like, I'm sorry.

00:15:21.480 It's not nice, but they look like they could have used a turn through hair and makeup before they went on screen.

00:15:25.600 I'm just going to say it.

00:15:27.820 They also have those big, bright eyes and that weird fascist smile.

00:15:31.140 Have you noticed all these fascists, they have that weird, dreamy smile on their face, kind of bright eyes.

00:15:36.240 It's very strange.

00:15:37.620 I think they may be possessed.

00:15:39.480 I'm not saying they are.

00:15:40.920 I'm just saying that they may be possessed.

00:15:42.580 I love it.

00:15:43.040 It's like it's the distinction between the people who work and the people who loaf. 0.68

00:15:47.520 You know, it's like, oh, you just want the degree because you want to hang in the right cocktail party circus.

00:15:51.880 You want to impress people with the letters after your name.

00:15:54.240 But you don't want to do the work that comes with that degree that would require you to pay off the loans that came with that degree.

00:16:00.500 You want me to pay for it.

00:16:02.380 You want Andrew to pay for it.

00:16:03.540 You want the trucker to pay for it.

00:16:05.180 And you want to sit back there and say everything should be free because it's what's best for America.

00:16:10.200 So they'll look down at that same trucker who doesn't have a college degree who just paid off theirs.

00:16:15.260 Right?

00:16:15.620 You know, I believe that so much of the misery that comes out of politics comes out of this from the simple fact that human beings have a very sharp sense of justice and fairness.

00:16:28.360 But the world is totally unfair.

00:16:30.800 And that allows politicians to point to natural unfairness. 0.88

00:16:35.340 The fact that LeBron James can play basketball and I can, which is naturally unfair.

00:16:40.040 And then say, therefore, I am going to commit an act of unfairness.

00:16:43.820 I'm going to force LeBron James to play with one hand tied behind his back so Klavan can compete with him on the court. 0.96

00:16:49.620 And, of course, life just gets worse and worse.

00:16:51.380 Basketball gets worse and worse because you got me out there instead of LeBron James.

00:16:55.200 If you want excellence, you have to accept a bit of the unfairness of life.

00:16:58.680 Because not only is life unfair, but unfairness is life.

00:17:03.520 You know, it's the differences between us that make for competitiveness.

00:17:06.960 It's the differences between us that make for marriages.

00:17:09.300 It's the difference between us that makes for creativity.

00:17:11.420 All of that unfairness feeds into the actual lifting of humankind.

00:17:16.540 So this kind of idea that you can eliminate all unfairness is where the misery comes from.

00:17:21.860 And these guys have what even, you know, even welfare workers talk about welfare psychopathology.

00:17:29.140 They talk about people going welfare insane where they begin to believe that they deserve someone else's money.

00:17:35.120 And that is the fact that you have the money.

00:17:37.300 Why don't I have the money?

00:17:38.300 And the idea, well, maybe I worked harder, maybe I was luckier, maybe I got born in a nicer place than you did.

00:17:43.760 All of those things are unfair, but the government can't fix them.

00:17:46.760 It can't fix the past.

00:17:48.000 It can't fix the present.

00:17:49.160 It can't fix anything.

00:17:50.080 All it can do is treat everybody equally and let people rise as they will.

00:17:54.320 And that is what we've gotten away from.

00:17:55.820 That was kind of the idea, the basic idea of the country, that the government to keep its hands to itself and let each person rise and fall on his own work and his own merit.

00:18:05.780 And that idea is being crushed under this idea that somehow, somehow the government is going to make everything fair.

00:18:13.280 It can't be done.

00:18:14.140 And the fact that we're helpless to do it is something that the press will never talk about.

00:18:18.840 They never talk about the fact that you just can't do it.

00:18:21.620 You can't fix the fact that there used to be slavery.

00:18:23.980 You can't fix the fact that some people win and some people lose.

00:18:26.880 You can't fix the fact that some people have talent or are better looking than other people.

00:18:30.700 All of those things are unfixable.

00:18:32.560 And so when the government promises to fix them, hold on to your wallet because they're coming for your dough and they're not going to do anything.

00:18:39.400 If I may say, though, you can fix the fact that you do not look good before you post your Instagram video.

00:18:45.660 You can.

00:18:46.300 I'm telling you.

00:18:47.420 Just a little.

00:18:48.300 You fixed it a little bit, yeah.

00:18:49.560 Honestly, my friends have been talking to me.

00:18:51.480 So since I've gone independent, I don't work for a channel, I get a hair person who comes every other day.

00:18:58.420 But I do my own makeup.

00:18:59.460 And my friends have been like, MK, you're doing a good job on your makeup.

00:19:01.980 But did you learn that from all your years sitting in the makeup chair?

00:19:04.660 And I said, no, I followed some twit on YouTube.

00:19:07.360 She was actually very interesting.

00:19:09.820 She showed me how to do it.

00:19:11.240 I mean, I was just some random video and I learned just like anybody else can learn.

00:19:14.640 I'm just saying it's it's a small point, but it's indicative of a larger one, which is a little effort goes a long way.

00:19:21.520 And yes, you might choose to put your efforts into getting a college degree or a law school degree or an advanced degree of some kind and then work your ass off because you want to make a lot of money.

00:19:29.260 That's important to you.

00:19:30.220 OK, that's fine.

00:19:31.000 Then you don't get to turn around and say, I want somebody to pay off all my loans.

00:19:35.240 I'm mad that I had to do this.

00:19:36.660 That's not OK.

00:19:38.300 But to sit as somebody who makes a different choice, who says, I want to sit on my couch.

00:19:42.140 I love watching reruns and I want to sit here with my chips and my beer and I don't really want to work very hard.

00:19:47.560 I get it.

00:19:48.980 But you can't then be resentful of the other people and think that you're entitled to something.

00:19:53.080 Everybody sacrifices.

00:19:54.280 Right.

00:19:54.440 That person's got a lot more fun time, free time, relaxation time, probably a lot less stress in his life than the people in the first category.

00:20:01.980 Everything's a trade off.

00:20:03.120 Right.

00:20:03.260 Why is like the fact that you're making more money than I am necessarily an inequity that needs to be solved?

00:20:08.860 How about the people who have greater joy and relaxation in their lives because they're not stressed out all the time?

00:20:14.760 What government authority is going to solve that for me?

00:20:17.720 Right.

00:20:17.880 Like we could take this to an insane, nonsensical degree.

00:20:21.700 Well, you know, not only that, you know, no one ever asks the question.

00:20:26.560 It is kind of amazing.

00:20:28.620 No socialist ever asked the question, where does money come from?

00:20:31.720 It's like, you know, kids not wanting to know where children come from.

00:20:34.160 They never ask that question.

00:20:35.840 Where does the money come from?

00:20:37.140 Why?

00:20:37.900 Why is everybody in America richer than everybody everywhere else?

00:20:41.860 Even the poor in America are still richer than the poor in other countries.

00:20:45.620 Where does that come from?

00:20:46.540 They never ask.

00:20:47.460 And it's kind of, it kind of is strange that this kind of willed ignorance is spread through the media.

00:20:54.860 It is encouraged by the media.

00:20:56.800 And nobody ever says, stops and says, well, you know what?

00:20:59.920 The one person who does talk about it is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:21:03.040 She's the one person who says, I don't care where it comes from.

00:21:05.720 I don't care.

00:21:06.360 If we can spend it on the military, we can spend it on everything.

00:21:09.080 You know, she just basically is open, openly socialist.

00:21:12.660 I don't care where it comes from.

00:21:13.660 Bernie Sanders says it too.

00:21:14.640 They live in this fantasy where money, you know, you just print it and there's more of it and prices will never go up.

00:21:20.560 And it has nothing, you know, that inflation has nothing to do with the fact that we've been printing money like crazy for 10 years.

00:21:26.860 It is really weird that people don't question basic things like that.

00:21:33.880 And while they're sitting on their couch, while they're playing video games all day, and while they're saying, send me the money, nobody ever says, where does that money come from?

00:21:41.700 Who do I thank?

00:21:42.420 No, it's just a sense of entitlement, just raw entitlement.

00:21:48.020 It's so unattractive.

00:21:49.660 Weakness, apathy, laziness, grossly unattractive.

00:21:53.540 In the meantime, there is a real question about whether this president can do that, can do this in the first place.

00:21:59.160 And you need look no further than Nancy Pelosi, who's on record as raising this very question.

00:22:04.420 Here she was in July of 2021 saying Biden doesn't have this authority.

00:22:10.300 Watch.

00:22:10.640 People think that the president of the United States has the power for debt forgiveness.

00:22:17.400 He does not.

00:22:19.420 He can postpone.

00:22:20.780 He can delay.

00:22:22.720 But he does not have that power.

00:22:24.540 That would have to be an act of Congress.

00:22:28.460 The president can't do it.

00:22:30.200 So that's not even a discussion.

00:22:32.300 Not everybody realizes that.

00:22:34.300 Oh, really?

00:22:36.040 Listen to her now.

00:22:37.100 This was yesterday.

00:22:39.560 Oh, it's a tweet.

00:22:40.320 Oh, shit.

00:22:40.740 Never mind.

00:22:41.200 OK, hold on.

00:22:41.660 I'll read it to you.

00:22:43.120 Tweet from Nancy.

00:22:44.340 At POTUS's, bold action is a strong step in Democrats' fight to expand access to higher education.

00:22:50.500 Strong step.

00:22:51.440 Bold action.

00:22:52.100 Really?

00:22:52.340 What happened to he can't?

00:22:53.880 By delivering historic targeted student debt relief to millions of borrowers, more working families will be able to meet their kitchen table needs as they recover from the pandemic.

00:23:02.020 What happened to he does not have the power?

00:23:04.920 He can postpone.

00:23:05.700 He can delay.

00:23:06.100 But he does not have the power.

00:23:07.400 Absent an act of Congress.

00:23:08.920 Well, maybe.

00:23:10.480 Maybe it's that he's using this pandemic relief.

00:23:13.660 Valve as the excuse to be able to do it.

00:23:16.840 He's saying, you know, this has given me extraordinary emergency powers, and that's how I'm sort of getting this power.

00:23:22.940 Well, as far as I recall, the pandemic was underway in July of 2021 when Nancy Pelosi said he doesn't have the power.

00:23:30.780 It doesn't exist.

00:23:31.580 And so this will be challenged in court, and it's very likely to be struck down, this executive overreach.

00:23:37.820 I actually, I'm not at all confident it's going to stand.

00:23:40.400 And I'll tell you, I don't know if it does stand how we recover exactly.

00:23:45.620 I'm not, I think this is like a deeply, this is a deep tear at our basic principles.

00:23:51.020 That's part of the fabric that was holding us together.

00:23:53.220 Rule of law, contracts, obligations that you undertake willingly and then must live up to.

00:23:59.100 That is the way, you know, you're the lawyer, so I didn't want to go off about that.

00:24:04.540 But it just seems to me that contract law is a kind of sacred vow between two people.

00:24:09.620 I mean, obviously, if you're making a legal contract, that's one thing.

00:24:12.160 But if you make a legal contract, isn't that kind of part of the sacred relationships of freedom, one of the sacred relationships of freedom, that if you and I enter into an agreement together and sign that agreement, put our signatures on that agreement, that agreement stands.

00:24:28.060 If I haven't cheated you in some way, that agreement stands.

00:24:30.840 And so I don't understand.

00:24:32.820 That's the part, the moral part of it that just kind of baffles me.

00:24:36.280 I don't don't understand where the president just says, oh, yeah, forget that.

00:24:41.300 Forget that agreement.

00:24:42.140 It's kind of like no fault divorce.

00:24:44.140 I always like, is there really such a thing as no fault divorce?

00:24:46.880 I mean, if you have a vow that you are going to live together forever, isn't there some kind of fault that isn't somebody at fault when those vows collapse?

00:24:55.500 I think that that that war on contract law is part of the war on freedom.

00:25:00.900 You know, it seems it just seems to me, again, you're the lawyer here.

00:25:03.720 So I don't I don't want to, like, step on your territory.

00:25:07.020 But it just seems to me that contract law is kind of sacred.

00:25:10.020 It's not just it's not just something you study in law school.

00:25:14.460 It actually is one of the binding relationships between two free human beings.

00:25:20.720 And to just kind of crush that with a wave of your hand seems incredibly morally dangerous.

00:25:25.720 But then again, I'm not sure they care.

00:25:28.080 And I almost feel like he's our fiduciary.

00:25:30.480 This is our debt.

00:25:31.140 This is a this is owed to us, the American taxpayers.

00:25:34.100 He's he's our fiduciary.

00:25:35.760 Joe Biden is he's in charge of managing this debt, among other things.

00:25:40.840 And he doesn't have our consent to just write it off.

00:25:44.660 We didn't agree that we're owed the money.

00:25:46.720 We want the money.

00:25:47.880 And if he doesn't make them pay back the money, we have to pay the money.

00:25:50.880 And we didn't agree to that.

00:25:52.560 You know that there's a reason he doesn't have that power.

00:25:54.900 So it's another lane of sort of legal reasoning that that should stop him from doing this morally.

00:26:00.320 Yes.

00:26:00.560 But also as a matter of law, he should be challenged.

00:26:03.780 I'm not at all sure that he will win.

00:26:05.580 He's lost several of these attempts at overreach under the covid emergency release valve.

00:26:10.940 This could just be the latest in an effort to appease his base again right before the midterms as the Democrats creep closer to doing better than they were to almost equaling Republican Republicans in the generic congressional ballot, which we'll get to in just a bit.

00:26:26.700 By the way, the Department of Education also ruled in twenty twenty one, quote, the president does not have the statutory authority to provide blanket or mass cancellation, compromise, discharge or forgiveness of student loan, principal balances and or to material materially modify the repayment amounts or terms thereof.

00:26:44.440 That's exactly what he just did.

00:26:47.060 This is a problem.

00:26:48.100 And you've got you.

00:26:49.500 One of the things I was going to mention is Jason Furman.

00:26:51.980 He was the former chair of Council of Economic Advisors under President Obama, Joe Biden's old boss.

00:26:57.900 And he pointed out a couple of things.

00:26:59.260 Number one, pouring roughly half a trillion dollars of gasoline on the inflationary fire that's already burning is reckless.

00:27:05.300 Number two, why design a policy that would provide up to forty thousand dollars to a married couple making two hundred and forty nine thousand? 0.63

00:27:11.580 Why include law and business school students if you want us to believe this is about the construction worker making thirty eight grand?

00:27:17.940 And so even people from his former administration are saying this makes no sense.

00:27:24.100 It's unfair.

00:27:25.200 It's boneheaded.

00:27:26.600 And it's obviously the messaging full of lies.

00:27:29.920 OK, so I want to talk to you just for a bit about the raid, because today is the day done at Mar-a-Lago that this judge is waiting for the DOJ to submit its proposed redactions from the supporting affidavit.

00:27:43.740 In order to get a warrant to go in there and search Mar-a-Lago, they had to have an affidavit, presumably from an FBI agent who laid out the case against President Trump.

00:27:51.120 We haven't seen it.

00:27:52.540 Trump says he wants it released.

00:27:53.860 The media wants it released.

00:27:55.040 The DOJ is saying no sources, methods, confidential information.

00:27:58.960 Top secret.

00:27:59.560 Can't do it.

00:28:00.600 Judge said proposed redactions.

00:28:02.900 I'm not agreeing to just withhold the whole thing.

00:28:05.240 The government said all of our redactions.

00:28:07.400 You won't be able to read a thing.

00:28:08.720 The judge said that's not good enough.

00:28:10.420 Come up with something reasonable.

00:28:11.680 It's due right now.

00:28:12.880 It was due at noon down in this the South Florida court.

00:28:18.560 You know, still, I think Republicans are very fired up about this issue.

00:28:22.260 But I also think that Trump being back in the news to the extent he has been for the past month has been a good thing politically for Democrats.

00:28:29.840 As much as it fires up the base to see Trump persecuted yet yet again, making no comment on whether he has records he shouldn't have.

00:28:37.100 The guy, it's a string of persecutions against him.

00:28:39.900 It's an unprecedented move.

00:28:41.140 It wasn't warranted.

00:28:42.040 It wasn't justified and it shouldn't have been done.

00:28:44.660 But my point is, I think the Democrats and the media are loving having him back in the news.

00:28:48.540 And I think it's helping them on that generic congressional ballot.

00:28:51.900 So what are your feelings today about the raid, the court proceeding and the politics that are coming out of it?

00:28:56.180 I'm wild eyed about it with rage.

00:28:59.760 I've got to be honest.

00:29:00.580 It drives me insane.

00:29:02.440 I, you know, I would like Trump now to step off the scene.

00:29:06.960 I don't think that's going to happen.

00:29:08.300 But I would like him to crown his successor and say, you know, MAGA is now part of the Republican Party.

00:29:14.340 I've done my work and now I'm going off into the sunset.

00:29:16.960 It's time, if nothing else, it's time for younger men to take and women to take the helm of the country. 0.96

00:29:22.500 So that's that's the first thing.

00:29:23.740 And I agree with you that his presence is all in all probably a benefit to the Democrats.

00:29:29.940 But the recklessness of this, you know, a million times during the Trump administration, I got emails from people saying, when is Hillary Clinton going to go to jail?

00:29:40.720 And I would say, you know, Hillary Clinton has broken the law repeatedly, but you don't actually want her to go to jail. 0.93

00:29:45.740 You don't want your political candidates to go to jail if you can help it.

00:29:49.240 You don't want them persecuted by the DOJ because it makes the DOJ more political than it is in danger of being to begin with.

00:29:56.060 That they would storm into a former president's home, a duly elected president's home, no matter what story they want to tell themselves, is so incredibly reckless that it genuinely makes me concerned that what they're trying to do is demonize half the country.

00:30:13.280 They are trying to declare half the country terrorists.

00:30:16.980 Already on MSNBC and other left wing outlets, they are saying the civil war is here.

00:30:22.000 It's not we're not in danger of a civil war.

00:30:23.740 The civil war is already on.

00:30:25.460 And I'm worried that they're trying to do this, that they they'll gin up a couple of nutbags, we'll go after the FBI in a violent way and then say, see, we were right.

00:30:34.100 It was these right wing crazies who are showing up at school board meetings, demanding that we can't change the sexes of their children. 0.84

00:30:40.840 You know, we knew they were terrorists and now we've proved that they're terrorists.

00:30:45.120 Unless Trump, I don't care what Trump papers Trump had and they can pull all these leaks to the press.

00:30:50.920 Oh, he was holding the nuclear code, you know, not, you know, he was going to call up the White House and tell them to launch a nuclear weapon.

00:30:58.180 Here's all the code, guys.

00:30:59.580 So you've got to launch that weapon.

00:31:01.140 I mean, it was insanely stupid.

00:31:03.060 Their ideas.

00:31:03.780 But unless he's training a militia at Mar-a-Lago, I don't want to see the DOJ with armed men storming a former president's house.

00:31:11.500 It is incredibly incendiary, incredibly reckless.

00:31:14.520 We're already at each other's throats.

00:31:16.840 It just was unwise.

00:31:18.780 And Merrick Garland, who had this reputation for being a company man, a guy who took care of the institutions, a guy who obeyed the law, has shown himself to be just an absolute pushover for the left.

00:31:30.260 And, you know, not only did he go after parents and start investigating them as possible terrorists for taking care of their children, but now he storms the home of a former president.

00:31:38.680 I mean, really, I feel like I'm living somewhere in Central America, some unnamed country in Central America.

00:31:46.020 It is just incredibly disrespectful.

00:31:49.660 You know, even though I oppose the left with all my heart, I understand that some of the people on the left are good people.

00:31:56.580 I understand they're my fellow citizens.

00:31:58.100 I have to pay them at least the respect of arguing with them.

00:32:00.880 But the left just feels that they're going to snap their fingers and turn us and declare that we are all terrorists, we're all white supremacists.

00:32:08.480 You know, January 6th is the violence to end all violence, but the violence of the George Floyd riots that burned down half the country, that doesn't count.

00:32:16.220 That was justified violence.

00:32:17.800 I don't think that's going to turn out the way they want it to turn out.

00:32:20.320 I don't think a civil war in this country is going to be as pretty as they think it's going to be.

00:32:24.180 They think it's going to be them rounding us up.

00:32:26.100 But I don't think that's the way it's going to shake down.

00:32:28.020 And I don't want to see any more political violence in this country.

00:32:31.640 Merrick Garland should be ashamed of himself.

00:32:33.360 If Mitch McConnell gets into heaven, it's going to be because he kept that guy off the Supreme Court.

00:32:39.240 He has let himself become completely corrupted.

00:32:42.860 That's true.

00:32:43.600 My old impressions of Merrick Garland when he was nominated by Obama for that seat are so different from what they are today.

00:32:50.640 And to your point about encouraging or baiting, baiting, you know, the Republicans or the MAGA crowd into doing something violent, couldn't agree more.

00:32:58.600 Jared Kushner was on the show on Tuesday.

00:33:00.620 He has a new book out and he he makes the point in the book about how unfortunate January 6th was.

00:33:07.820 Yes, for the obvious reasons, but also for this reason, because the media had been painting the Trump rallies as this, you know, carnal, debased, disgusting, violent, awful gathering of people deplorables.

00:33:25.060 Right.

00:33:25.240 Right. And if you if you actually looked at the Trump rallies, it was a bunch of truly patriotic people who loved Donald Trump and they loved the country and they were waving flags and they were wearing flag regalia.

00:33:35.900 And with one or two small exceptions, there really wasn't violence at these things.

00:33:41.000 And yet this group got baited into January 6th.

00:33:44.600 Right. By by what?

00:33:45.800 It could be Trump's rhetoric.

00:33:46.820 It could be the media.

00:33:47.840 It could be, you know, Rudy Giuliani.

00:33:49.540 Take your pick.

00:33:50.180 OK, but they did.

00:33:52.160 And and that stain remains.

00:33:53.980 It was the stain the media had been waiting for.

00:33:57.760 Oh, they wanted it so badly, Andrew.

00:34:00.280 And finally, they got it.

00:34:02.120 And that was like part of the horror of watching it is it's like, oh, my God, you've now you've now given the media the excuse to sit back.

00:34:09.640 And they did.

00:34:10.360 If you watch CNN on Jan 6th, you know this.

00:34:12.460 They sit back and say, like, I told you so.

00:34:15.480 I told you this would happen.

00:34:16.680 I told you this is who they are.

00:34:18.160 Right. And so this is another one of those moments where the right cannot be baited into doing this.

00:34:23.980 Like even right now, I think it's contained.

00:34:27.100 But if they indict Trump, we're back at another one of those moments where it's a before and after.

00:34:32.260 And the whole narrative about a half of the country is going to depend on how people behave.

00:34:39.060 That's right.

00:34:40.120 It's it's you know, there used to be a saying that there's the stupid party in the evil party and we're clearly the stupid party.

00:34:46.040 I mean, I think that if we really do feel as I do feel that we are the party more likely to stand up for the Constitution, more likely to stand up for American freedoms, more likely to stand up for American traditions.

00:34:58.120 Then we have to take conscious care of how we behave.

00:35:01.680 They can stomp back and forth and they can rage and they can burn down cities and get away with it because they don't care.

00:35:07.440 They're not trying to preserve anything.

00:35:09.720 To be a conservative is to try to conserve something.

00:35:11.920 To be an American conservative is to try to conserve something extremely specific, which is the Constitution and limited government.

00:35:18.400 And you can't do that.

00:35:20.120 You cannot do that by losing your cool.

00:35:22.300 It is hard to be the good guy.

00:35:23.980 It's hard.

00:35:24.400 You can't shoot a man in the back when you're the good guy.

00:35:26.480 You cannot behave like the left behaves when you're the good guy.

00:35:29.080 It's hard to do it.

00:35:29.820 It takes a certain amount of restraint, a certain amount of self-discipline.

00:35:33.100 Donald Trump has inculcated a lack of self-discipline in the right.

00:35:37.600 And that is the worst.

00:35:38.700 I think he's done some did many, many wonderful things.

00:35:41.980 But one of the worst things he did was tell us that we could become them and get away with it.

00:35:46.180 And we can't because we're fighting for something entirely different.

00:35:49.680 We're fighting for a world of self-discipline liberty.

00:35:52.600 That's a hard sell.

00:35:53.540 People don't like being self-disciplined.

00:35:55.340 They don't like liberty, really.

00:35:56.980 What they want is to be taken care of.

00:35:58.720 They want to be able to have their pleasure and exercise their lust and their greed and all the things that human beings do.

00:36:04.780 And what we're saying is, no, you have to actually be self-restrained.

00:36:08.140 That's a hard sell from the very beginning.

00:36:10.640 And once you start storming the Capitol, once you start looking like a bunch of idiots, once you start allowing the worst of the worst to join your movement, you basically weaken yourself.

00:36:19.320 It feels like strength in the moment because it feels like, yeah, we're going to be just as tough as they are.

00:36:23.920 But in the end, it weakens you.

00:36:25.140 And January 6th was a shame.

00:36:27.760 And the fact that it came after a summer of riots, which the press and the left, but I repeat myself, the press and the left encouraged, not just said was OK, they encouraged that violence.

00:36:40.380 Nobody cares because they're not the good guys.

00:36:43.900 We are the good guys and we have to behave like the good guys.

00:36:46.480 January 6th was a mess.

00:36:48.460 But, you know, like basically it is the Reichstag fire.

00:36:52.260 I mean, not to compare anybody to Hitler, but it was, you know, the asocialists burned fire to the Reichstag and Hitler used that to seize absolute power. 0.91

00:37:01.040 The left has played this January 6th card until I hope it's basically run out.

00:37:05.620 It's like a credit card that is way over its limit.

00:37:08.920 But right. But they see it.

00:37:10.220 They see a new application.

00:37:11.840 They got an application for an American Express black card sitting right there.

00:37:15.140 They're like, oh, yeah, I want it.

00:37:17.380 Oh, Trump indicted.

00:37:19.780 Feeling angry.

00:37:21.940 Storms and riots.

00:37:23.200 You know, like they want to see it.

00:37:24.780 They want another reason to dismiss an entire half of the country.

00:37:27.620 All right.

00:37:28.360 Andrew's got thoughts on Brian Stelter.

00:37:30.320 He'll share them right after this.

00:37:31.820 And then we've got to talk about this amazing message that he delivered to the Young Americans Foundation,

00:37:37.580 this group of young conservatives, which my team and I read in every single word of it.

00:37:42.560 I'll explain why you'll love it, too.

00:37:44.360 Stand by.

00:37:44.720 So I like that you have a couple of beacons of hope coming through in your life right now.

00:37:56.580 And one of them is Brian Stelter.

00:37:59.460 I kind of I'm going to miss Brian.

00:38:06.240 Always like, you know, we use the term gaslight, but people don't know that it comes from a wonderful

00:38:11.100 thriller play named Angel Street, which is about a husband trying to drive his wife insane by

00:38:16.200 telling her that things she knows are happening or not happening.

00:38:19.380 And that was Brian Stelter all over.

00:38:21.340 He was one of the most biased observers of TV news.

00:38:26.700 There was he was a total leftist, a complete all he ever did was rant about the fact that Fox News

00:38:31.400 got better ratings than he did.

00:38:33.360 And then he would tell you that he wasn't doing it.

00:38:35.300 He would tell you, no, it's nothing.

00:38:36.720 Absolutely nothing biased.

00:38:38.260 I'm just standing up for truth.

00:38:39.740 And the truth happens to be that all my opinion, political opinions are correct.

00:38:44.360 And anyone who doesn't agree with him is evil.

00:38:46.400 And so the actual his actual disappearance is firing.

00:38:50.740 And it's nice to see somebody get fired from CNN for not sexually abusing women.

00:38:55.020 It's nice to see somebody get fired for some other reason.

00:38:59.900 We had Cuomo, we had Toobin, we had Jeff Zucker.

00:39:03.040 You know, it's like those are just the ones I can keep up with.

00:39:05.840 I know.

00:39:06.320 I know.

00:39:06.600 At least he was keeping his hand.

00:39:07.780 As far as we know, he's keeping his hands on himself.

00:39:10.080 But, you know, it makes me wonder.

00:39:12.820 It makes me wonder whether Chris Licht, I believe his name is, the new president of CNN, has discovered

00:39:17.980 that the purpose of a television network is to have people watch the network on their television.

00:39:22.440 So that hasn't been happening to CNN.

00:39:24.680 And it makes me wonder whether or not he's going to actually change the tenor of what

00:39:30.860 used to be a pretty good spot news station.

00:39:34.020 It used to be a good station for finding out what was happening in the moment.

00:39:36.920 And now it's become, you know, subpar guys like Don Lemon and Jim Acosta, you know, ranting

00:39:45.160 about their opinions and how much they hate Donald Trump and all Republicans.

00:39:48.800 You know, it's not they have no rating.

00:39:51.600 So it makes you wonder if maybe it's part of a movement to get rid of some of the woke,

00:39:56.460 get rid of some of this kind of self-satisfied leftism, which plays all across America from

00:40:04.280 49th Street to 63rd Street, but may not play outside of Manhattan.

00:40:09.580 You know, it's happening at Netflix, too.

00:40:11.120 They just fired a bunch of social justice warriors. 1.00

00:40:14.040 They just killed a bunch of social justice, woke projects like Ibram Kendi's racist baby.

00:40:20.580 You know, I'm starting to wonder.

00:40:21.220 Like Meghan Markle's stupid show. 1.00

00:40:24.120 I'm amazing.

00:40:24.960 You know, I used to watch, I used to turn on Netflix and they would have the Black Lives 0.77

00:40:30.220 Matter collection.

00:40:31.400 Now, I consider Black Lives Matter to be the Maoist anti-American movement.

00:40:36.000 And I would think I'm not going to watch that.

00:40:37.680 And then I would notice it would be things like a Denzel Washington movie.

00:40:40.780 And he's one of my favorite actors.

00:40:42.380 And I thought, gee, you know, Netflix is actually turning me into a racist.

00:40:45.480 I never used to care who was in the movies.

00:40:47.260 I just, if they were good, I just wanted to see the movie.

00:40:49.700 Now I sit and say, I'm not going to watch a Denzel Washington movie because it's under

00:40:52.600 the Black Lives Matter banner.

00:40:54.180 I think a lot of people were doing that because I've been watching the way they rearrange their

00:40:57.740 films.

00:40:58.300 And some of that stuff is starting to disappear.

00:41:00.920 If that were to happen, I think it would just be a really good thing.

00:41:04.180 I don't believe that the wokeness is wrong. 0.83

00:41:06.880 I believe it's actual wickedness.

00:41:08.640 It is racist.

00:41:10.660 It's incredibly anti-female, disgustingly anti-female. 0.96

00:41:14.960 It's just a way of exerting power over people.

00:41:18.820 The idea is not to convince you.

00:41:20.480 It's to make you afraid to say, to disagree.

00:41:23.280 And I think that if we could get rid of it from Facebook, if we could get it off Twitter,

00:41:27.240 if we could get it off all these venues, it would just be a good thing for the country.

00:41:30.700 And maybe, possibly, the firing of Brian Stelter is one step in that direction.

00:41:35.860 Yeah, I love the way you said that.

00:41:37.600 I had the same feeling.

00:41:38.880 I remember you turn on the news during the day and you see these Black Lives Matter protesters

00:41:43.140 out there threatening somebody's dinner table or taking their drink and drinking it unless

00:41:48.520 they put the fist up, like mandatory.

00:41:50.640 Put your fist up.

00:41:51.580 You're on our team or I'll hurt you.

00:41:53.980 And then I do turn on Netflix at night and this group's being celebrated.

00:41:57.000 Black Lives Matter all over New York City.

00:41:58.620 They're painting Fifth Avenue, Black Lives Matter. 0.74

00:42:00.280 I'm like, hold on, OK?

00:42:02.640 Because those letters do not mean what you think they mean, right?

00:42:06.540 It was infuriating.

00:42:07.060 Even my kid's teacher who was doing the Zoom, this is at our old school, and she had her

00:42:11.600 big Black Lives Matter banner behind her.

00:42:15.480 I'm like, you take that down.

00:42:17.360 You don't even know what you're saying.

00:42:19.400 You think you're supporting just some concept.

00:42:22.300 You're not.

00:42:23.020 You're supporting a Marxist group that wants to tear down the nuclear family.

00:42:26.800 So take it down and take your politics someplace else.

00:42:30.580 So Brian Stelter, one quick story on this Mr. Journalism professor, right?

00:42:34.280 He's never actually practiced journalism ever, ever.

00:42:36.580 He was like some snot-nosed kid who got pulled out of school and started writing a blog and

00:42:41.740 then wound up being with a paper and then CNN.

00:42:44.700 He actually came to me after I interviewed Alex Jones and was getting blowback and actually

00:42:49.060 had the nerve to say, and this is journalism, right?

00:42:51.640 I pointed out to my audience before.

00:42:52.660 Diane Sawyer interviewed Charles Manson, okay?

00:42:55.820 Mike Wallace interviewed the head of the KKK wearing his white hood, okay?

00:43:00.380 So like there's a long tradition of journalists interviewing people who are, you know, controversial.

00:43:04.960 He comes to me and he says, will you ever get another guest again?

00:43:09.120 You'll never get another guest again.

00:43:11.000 He's the ass and tells me the same.

00:43:12.760 I'm like, are you?

00:43:14.080 You've got to be fucking kidding me.

00:43:15.380 Like, this is what journalists do.

00:43:17.180 Like, put on your big boy pants, Humpty, and go back to your little school books and

00:43:23.320 figure out what it is that we actually do.

00:43:25.720 Some time on the playing field would have helped you out because your time on the sidelines

00:43:29.140 has clouded your little eyes.

00:43:30.940 Anyway, good riddance.

00:43:32.400 Let's move on because what you said at the Young America's Foundation deserves a moment

00:43:37.040 here.

00:43:37.840 Your theory and speaking to this group, okay, the title is, who do you think you are?

00:43:42.280 And I'm just going to give a couple of highlights, Andrew.

00:43:44.060 Forgive me because there's so much goodness here.

00:43:45.520 People need to Google it.

00:43:46.340 It's at the dailywire.com and find it.

00:43:49.000 You talk about how you felt, feel kind of old.

00:43:51.260 You feel like a traveler from an antique land from the America of the early 60s where, you

00:43:55.760 know, America was a good place.

00:43:57.140 We were proud of our greatness, of our moral goodness.

00:43:59.800 We recognized we had failings, but we were confident that our traditions would make us

00:44:02.920 better.

00:44:03.540 But that America's gone.

00:44:04.520 It's not coming back.

00:44:05.380 And you talk about how the problem for today's generation is the establishment, capital E,

00:44:11.280 has collapsed.

00:44:13.040 And that's not like establishment Republicans.

00:44:15.160 It's something very different.

00:44:17.000 I'm going to read from what Andrew wrote and said.

00:44:19.360 The old men, the political, intellectual, and cultural leaders who are responsible for 1.00

00:44:24.220 passing on to you, the wisdom of the ages and their traditions of the West have utterly abandoned

00:44:29.080 their posts.

00:44:30.480 And in their stead, there has gathered the greatest collection of liars, frauds, and clowns it

00:44:35.600 has ever been my pleasure to make fun of.

00:44:37.700 Your professors are buffoons.

00:44:39.520 Your cultural critics are vulgarians.

00:44:41.860 Your priests are cowards.

00:44:43.100 And your journalists aren't fit to unlace the sandals of those professors, critics, and

00:44:47.280 priests.

00:44:48.040 I'm talking about the people who are supposed to be the grownups, the parent class.

00:44:51.960 And you go on to say, yes, their job is to be a bit old-fashioned, slow to accept the

00:44:56.780 latest fad.

00:44:57.720 But they have real responsibilities.

00:44:59.860 And they've failed generation after generation, the past couple of generations, which is how we

00:45:06.140 got to where we are.

00:45:06.960 Yeah, it is true.

00:45:10.520 It is the one thing about this time that strikes me as very different than other times that

00:45:15.000 I've lived through.

00:45:15.800 This has happened before in human history.

00:45:17.740 But in my now long life, I have not seen the complete abandonment of the barricades by what

00:45:25.280 I call the parent class.

00:45:28.100 Partly it's a fear of being left behind, a fear of being deemed irrelevant, a fear of being

00:45:32.620 mocked by the youth who don't know anything.

00:45:35.660 And so they mock what they don't like, and they mock what they feel is restrictive.

00:45:38.980 But that's part of the interplay of the generations.

00:45:41.780 We're supposed to be, we old folks are supposed to be a little bit fusty.

00:45:45.340 We're supposed to say, hey, you know, before you tear down that fence, you might want to

00:45:48.440 find out why it was put up in the first place.

00:45:50.820 But I've witnessed this growing and growing since the 60s when I was in college, and people

00:45:55.800 would challenge, why is this poem great?

00:45:59.500 Why are you putting forward this great poem by a dead white man?

00:46:02.940 And the professor didn't know what to say.

00:46:04.480 The professor just didn't have the background to be challenged.

00:46:09.320 They had just accepted what they had been given.

00:46:11.520 You were talking about, we were both talking about Black Lives Matter.

00:46:14.600 The worst thing that I've seen is Black Lives Matter banners on churches. 1.00

00:46:18.460 In Christ, there are no Black lives and there are no white lives. 0.99

00:46:21.680 There are only Christian lives. 0.81

00:46:22.720 We are all one in the body of Christ.

00:46:25.120 No church should be putting up a sign that says Black Lives Matter more than any other life.

00:46:30.580 It is a complete, you know, dereliction of duty.

00:46:33.700 It was a dereliction of duty when the government came to these churches and said, oh, there's

00:46:37.880 a flu going around.

00:46:38.760 You have to close.

00:46:39.700 And the church is closed.

00:46:41.320 Well, no, you know, actually, that's not right.

00:46:43.960 The government doesn't have the right to declare that you will close.

00:46:47.480 You can no longer give the body of Christ to your parishioners.

00:46:50.040 So I really feel that the loss of the people who are there to defend our traditions is a

00:46:57.260 loss of everything that makes us who we are.

00:46:59.760 The New York Times the other day ran an op-ed declaring by a Yale and a Harvard law professor,

00:47:04.520 two law professors, declaring that the Constitution should be gotten rid of because it chains us

00:47:09.240 to the past.

00:47:10.400 Well, it does chain us to the past.

00:47:11.900 It chains us to our best wisdom and our best traditions.

00:47:14.740 And those traditions have to be defended by old men and women. 1.00

00:47:17.300 Instead, we have attacks on some of those very sources, the classics, which I know Spencer

00:47:24.320 is a big fan of and has a whole podcast on.

00:47:26.540 That's how I first got to know Spencer Clavin, your son.

00:47:28.440 By the way, he's coming on for a full feature show next week.

00:47:30.980 Now those are all demonized.

00:47:32.260 I know we're excited.

00:47:32.880 We love the Clavin family.

00:47:35.080 Those are demonized.

00:47:36.060 You're not allowed to teach them.

00:47:37.260 It's not it's not that it's problematic to have some are all all white men on your syllabus. 1.00

00:47:44.440 It's problematic to have any.

00:47:46.500 You can't have any white men on your syllabus in today's day and age. 1.00

00:47:49.960 Andrew's going to stay with us.

00:47:50.960 We're carrying him over because you've got to hear some more about his messaging and how

00:47:54.860 we've been failed by the, quote, establishment.

00:47:58.080 And what do we do about it?

00:47:59.840 It goes back to my question up top about do we go to college?

00:48:03.140 Do we what books do we read if we don't go to college, if we don't pay these fees because

00:48:06.760 Joe Biden's not going to forgive everybody.

00:48:08.940 Then what?

00:48:09.680 How do we get the knowledge that he has that we need to fight these battles?

00:48:13.100 Stand by because we'll pick it up there in just a minute.

00:48:16.500 So back to your speech, Andrew, you write.

00:48:24.060 You said I have the transcript.

00:48:25.860 The establishment has collapsed.

00:48:28.560 And you may say to me, so what?

00:48:30.300 Who needs the establishment? 0.85

00:48:31.680 They're just what the poet Yeats called old, learned, respectable, bald heads who all think

00:48:36.160 what other people think.

00:48:37.400 After all, didn't Western culture begin when the establishments in Athens and Jerusalem executed 0.56

00:48:42.000 Socrates and Jesus for failing to toe the traditional line?

00:48:45.820 Why shouldn't a revolutionary country like ours have an establishment that calls itself

00:48:49.260 the resistance, even if what they resist is free speech and equality under the law?

00:48:55.360 And you acknowledge there's some truth to this.

00:48:57.840 Priests and scholars and political leaders who become too wedded to the way things used to

00:49:00.740 be sometimes fail to recognize legitimate innovation when it comes along.

00:49:03.660 But there's a downside to losing the establishment dedicated to the preservation of tradition.

00:49:12.100 How so?

00:49:13.600 Well, first of all, great revolutions don't actually come from revolutionaries.

00:49:17.680 All of history bears this out.

00:49:19.360 Great revolutions come from great traditions.

00:49:21.660 Jesus was expanding the tradition of the Jews. 0.82

00:49:24.640 He wasn't just trying to destroy it.

00:49:26.160 Socrates was expanding the traditions of Athens.

00:49:29.620 He wasn't trying to destroy it.

00:49:31.340 That was the mistake the establishment made in those cases.

00:49:34.660 The American revolutionaries are the perfect example of this.

00:49:37.500 They weren't actually revolutionaries in that sense.

00:49:40.520 They weren't trying to destroy the British legal system, British legal rights.

00:49:45.480 They were trying to claim them for their own and take them to the next level.

00:49:48.460 It was the French revolutionaries who were genuinely revolutionaries.

00:49:52.040 And that's why they ended up knee deep in blood, killing everybody they could get their

00:49:56.280 hands on and wouldn't toe the utopian line.

00:49:59.740 And so, yes, an establishment can be fussy.

00:50:03.700 It needs to be a little bit traditionalist.

00:50:05.720 And yes, sometimes people have to stand up to the establishment and say, no, in order to

00:50:09.420 actually fulfill our dream, in order to live into the meaning of our creed, we have to do

00:50:14.200 something a little bit new.

00:50:15.820 But that's different.

00:50:17.200 Innovation is different than tearing everything down and declaring a utopia.

00:50:21.440 And you need an establishment to teach you, to teach you the tradition that you are going

00:50:26.600 to innovate in.

00:50:27.480 And to innovate means to renew.

00:50:29.200 And you can't renew something that's not already there.

00:50:31.520 And what we have now is we have an incredible, incredible depth of ignorance.

00:50:35.760 Professors, you were saying this before the break, the professors now not only don't teach

00:50:40.200 something because it's written by white people, which is absurd, they also, they muffle it.

00:50:48.720 They muffle, say, a Shakespeare by telling you what their theory is about it instead of what

00:50:53.820 Shakespeare was trying to say.

00:50:55.340 Listen, you can disagree with Socrates.

00:50:57.260 You can disagree with Shakespeare.

00:50:58.420 You can disagree with anybody you want.

00:50:59.740 But you have to understand what they were trying to say.

00:51:02.180 And that's what teachers are there to teach you.

00:51:04.380 That's what the establishment is there to teach you.

00:51:06.380 Not there how their brilliant new consciousness is going to reinterpret Socrates.

00:51:12.500 But what the hell was Socrates saying in the first place?

00:51:15.400 If you don't know that, you can't argue with it.

00:51:17.440 If you don't know what the tradition is, you can't actually innovate with it.

00:51:21.360 And this is the thing.

00:51:23.180 Ultimately, ultimately, they're going to teach you to be somebody.

00:51:26.300 All of us learn who to be from our tradition.

00:51:29.420 We're born with a nature.

00:51:30.660 We're born with an inner soul and somebody who we are.

00:51:33.720 But that somebody lives in a tradition.

00:51:35.600 And that tradition shapes who he is.

00:51:37.660 If you don't have that tradition, then basically you've left yourself open to being shaped by whoever happens to be in power at the moment.

00:51:45.860 And the people who have been in power for the last 50 years are materialists who want to teach you that basically you're just a meat puppet filled with a chemistry set.

00:51:54.940 And therefore, the most important thing about you is how you have sex and when you want sex and whether you get the sex you want when you want it.

00:52:01.360 That is a tradition in Western philosophy.

00:52:06.460 Schopenhauer called sex the lord of the world.

00:52:08.920 Freud obviously thought that sex was behind everything.

00:52:11.620 The Marquis de Sade, from whom we get sadism, believed that sex was the essential engine.

00:52:16.080 But there's an entire other tradition which teaches us that we are spirits.

00:52:20.980 We are actually, our body is the expression of something greater than itself.

00:52:25.860 And that tradition teaches us that love is at the center of everything.

00:52:29.780 That's the Christian tradition.

00:52:31.100 It's the Jewish tradition.

00:52:32.520 It is the tradition that really made freedom what it is.

00:52:36.360 It made the idea of freedom what it is.

00:52:38.060 And that's a tradition we have to learn.

00:52:40.360 If the old people aren't going to teach it to us, we're going to have to teach it to ourselves. 1.00

00:52:45.400 You write about something that I was asked about this past weekend.

00:52:49.000 I was talking to a group of Republicans.

00:52:51.140 And one man came up and said he has two kids going off to college now.

00:52:55.480 One going to the military, I think, and one going off to college.

00:52:57.840 And they were very worried that they were going to be downgraded if they let their conservative freak flag fly.

00:53:04.320 You know, if they were openly conservative in their views at these institutions.

00:53:09.000 For good reason.

00:53:10.040 For good reason.

00:53:10.860 And it just so happens that I read your remarks right after this.

00:53:14.040 And I had said, and the gentleman was asking me, what do you think I should advise them?

00:53:17.380 And I said, I know other people disagree, but I believe they should stand by their true beliefs.

00:53:22.060 They should stand up for themselves.

00:53:23.080 And if they get downgraded, they should confront the professor, ideally on tape.

00:53:28.300 And they should wear that C like a badge of honor.

00:53:32.400 And when they go out there into the real world applying for jobs, they can show that C with pride and explain how they got it.

00:53:37.260 This is what you write.

00:53:40.540 You have academics who either won't teach the great books or silence those books by smothering them under their own banal and unfounded critical theories.

00:53:47.680 Even worse, they threaten you with bad grades if you don't lie and pretend to believe those theories.

00:53:51.800 That's a sin.

00:53:53.420 It is a sin for an old person in authority to coerce a young person into compromising his integrity. 0.76

00:53:59.700 It is a double sin to do that to young men.

00:54:02.840 Because while integrity is good for both sexes, it is the essence of being a man.

00:54:08.640 To be a man, you have to be who you say you are and do what you say you will do.

00:54:14.600 I love that.

00:54:15.840 Can you keep going?

00:54:18.700 Yes.

00:54:19.140 I mean, I think that this is the, you know, we talk about manhood nowadays as if it's about eating steak and punching people.

00:54:26.200 It's not.

00:54:27.100 Anybody can punch anybody and anybody can sneak up on anybody and anybody can eat a steak.

00:54:30.720 But to be who you say you are and to do what you say you will do is the definition of manhood as far as I'm concerned.

00:54:37.380 I mean, you talk about my son Spencer.

00:54:39.500 That is what I taught him.

00:54:40.520 That is what he exemplifies.

00:54:41.840 That's why I'm so proud of him.

00:54:43.480 That when you say, I will stand for this, you stand.

00:54:47.320 And when somebody says, tells you to lie, you don't lie.

00:54:51.120 And I've gotten very disappointed in conservatives who say, keep your head down until you get out of college, because then you've got the degree and you can do anything you want.

00:55:00.360 It doesn't work that way.

00:55:01.620 It doesn't work that way.

00:55:02.600 I'm not talking, telling anybody to put their head in the cannon's mouth.

00:55:06.400 I understand you have to pick your fights.

00:55:08.280 I understand you have to act cleverly.

00:55:09.980 You have to act intelligently.

00:55:10.980 But you cannot, you cannot say what you don't mean and you can't put what you don't mean down on paper and you can't put your name to lies.

00:55:18.700 You simply can't do it.

00:55:20.180 And if it means it's going to cost you, that is the lesson of the Gospels.

00:55:24.420 The lesson of the Gospels is if you speak the truth, if you exemplify the truth, you're going to pay a price.

00:55:29.460 That is the lesson for the Gospels, but you're also going to get a reward.

00:55:32.800 And so I think you just have to live by that and take the hits.

00:55:36.740 And listen, Megan, you know, I'm not saying this.

00:55:38.980 I lost millions of dollars in Hollywood by being who I am.

00:55:42.840 I don't think that anybody can actually argue with that.

00:55:45.760 No one ever said I'm blacklisting you, but I was making a whole lot of money writing screenplays until I started speaking politically.

00:55:51.880 And then my phone stopped ringing on the instant.

00:55:55.520 And so, you know, I got to be honest, like I wasn't happy about it, but I never lost a minute's sleep about it.

00:56:01.020 The idea that I should be going up to guys like Harvey Weinstein and pretending one thing when I knew something else was true would just be despicable.

00:56:08.980 And I feel really good about my life because I've lived that way.

00:56:14.520 And I know the people who didn't live that way.

00:56:16.300 This is the other thing.

00:56:17.340 I know the guys in Hollywood who basically mouthed off and said things they didn't believe.

00:56:22.520 And I can look in their eyes and see that they paid a price that was much worse than money, a price that I would never want to pay.

00:56:28.340 And so, yes, if you don't actually start to teach yourself your tradition, why you believe what you believe, you're not just a conservative because you're a cantankerous, you know, bold person or because you're crusty or whatever.

00:56:40.380 You're actually conservative because, you know, American conservatives are very different than European conservatives.

00:56:45.360 We're not supporting lordship.

00:56:46.740 We're not supporting bloodlines.

00:56:48.380 I don't care what color.

00:56:49.260 I swear I do not care what color you are or where you're from. 0.53

00:56:54.020 All I care about is that tradition of freedom that's embodied in the Constitution and the Declaration.

00:56:58.400 That's what I'm trying to conserve.

00:56:59.960 And if you don't know what that is and you don't know why it's good, it makes it very hard to stand up to people when they lie to you.

00:57:06.760 And it also makes it very easy for you to be fooled by their lies.

00:57:10.060 And so, to me, you know, I'm a bit of a sexist on this.

00:57:14.540 I think that men, if we lose men, we've lost – actually, frankly, I think if we lose feminine women, we've lost our humanity. 0.58

00:57:22.420 And if we lose men, we lose the front line of tradition and freedom.

00:57:27.440 And I think that you just can't.

00:57:30.300 You can't give it away.

00:57:31.540 You have to hold on to it or you lose it for all of us.

00:57:35.120 I love what you said.

00:57:36.620 But I've got to end on this point because it's sort of where we began.

00:57:40.660 You end the piece as follows.

00:57:43.600 The good news is this.

00:57:45.420 The priests and teachers and artists of all the generations past are still right here walking by your sides.

00:57:52.040 For thousands of years, the best of them have been working in the midst of life's suffering and evil to write books and compose music and develop religion that are still lying at your feet like a bright trail through the present darkness.

00:58:03.000 It is up to you to do what the old men have not done for you. 0.98

00:58:06.120 Read those books.

00:58:07.420 Listen to that music.

00:58:08.840 Practice that religion. 0.86

00:58:09.960 Follow that trail.

00:58:11.440 It will lead you back to who you really are.

00:58:15.680 I love the way you see the world.

00:58:18.220 But here's the question.

00:58:19.440 If we're not going to go to the colleges necessarily that they want us to go to because we're all going to be indoctrinated, we do not have the professors of yore.

00:58:27.000 Or even if we are going to go, we're going to have to find a way to sort of educate ourselves on the side.

00:58:31.320 Or if you're somebody like me who I went to college and I went to law school, but I wasn't taught the classics.

00:58:34.940 I want to know.

00:58:36.100 I realize I'm a lifetime behind.

00:58:37.700 I want to know what you know.

00:58:38.640 I want to know what Spencer knows.

00:58:40.060 I want a reading list.

00:58:41.460 I want an assignment list.

00:58:42.600 I want a syllabus from Andrew Clavin.

00:58:45.520 So how do I get that?

00:58:47.740 Well, I'll tell you something.

00:58:49.060 You know, I went to a very good college, but I was a very, very bad student.

00:58:52.500 And I didn't get my education in college.

00:58:55.160 I got it afterwards.

00:58:56.020 I bought all the books while I was there.

00:58:58.520 And when I got out of college and realized that I squandered four years of my life, I surrounded an easy chair with those books.

00:59:04.980 And I spent the next 15 years reading them.

00:59:07.580 Those books are there.

00:59:08.540 They are there.

00:59:09.240 You can still buy them.

00:59:10.160 They haven't been edited.

00:59:11.080 They haven't been blacked out.

00:59:12.160 They haven't been redacted by the FBI.

00:59:14.120 They're still there and you can read them.

00:59:15.560 And there are wonderful self-improvement places like the Great Courses tapes that you should never be ashamed to listen to those.

00:59:23.480 Because they teach you what the books are and you don't have to listen to their opinion and not check it for yourself.

00:59:30.020 Listen to their opinion and then go read the books.

00:59:32.800 Reading books, I always tell people this, especially young people, you're not reading if you're just reading the Internet.

00:59:38.200 You're not reading if you're just reading a magazine or a blog or a bite.

00:59:41.860 You have to read books.

00:59:42.760 You have to go to the places where people have expressed themselves in their absolute best way over a period of time, over a length of time.

00:59:50.900 So read, make that part of your day.

00:59:53.740 Make it something you exercise.

00:59:55.820 You eat right.

00:59:57.080 You do all the things that you have to do to keep yourself around.

01:00:01.500 Make it part of your day to read.

01:00:03.340 Like I said, it took me 15 years before I walked.

01:00:05.800 I remember I was on a street in London and I thought, you know what?

01:00:08.520 I'm now an educated person.

01:00:09.940 I now know what I need to know to have opinions.

01:00:12.220 But let me ask you, because for the people out there who, you know, like where do you start?

01:00:18.060 Where do you get the reading list?

01:00:19.560 Like there's only a limited number of hours in the day and years left in our lives.

01:00:23.660 Like how does one choose what to prioritize?

01:00:27.280 What I would do is I would go back to something like the great courses or something that was written before wokeness.

01:00:32.260 So even go back to the 1950s and just find a list of great books and start reading them.

01:00:37.200 And one of the things that does is it makes you think like, well, I really enjoyed reading Plato.

01:00:43.000 I love Plato.

01:00:44.040 He's a wonderful writer.

01:00:44.960 He's very entertaining.

01:00:46.260 But what is he talking about?

01:00:47.500 You know, and then you find a book that tells you, well, what was Plato talking about?

01:00:50.540 And maybe you find two books when they say something different and you start to think about it and go back and read them again.

01:00:55.100 It kind of becomes like the branches of a tree and that's how you start to learn stuff.

01:01:01.200 Maybe go for what you're interested in.

01:01:03.260 Maybe you're interested in history.

01:01:04.760 Maybe you're interested in a period in history.

01:01:06.420 If you start reading about World War I, which I was fascinated by for quite a long time, then you start to wonder, well, what happened before World War I?

01:01:13.360 How'd they get there?

01:01:13.980 And you start reading about the Victorian era.

01:01:16.200 You know, I would say start with the West because that's your tradition, but you shouldn't be afraid to branch out and read about other things too.

01:01:22.620 You know, it doesn't take that long.

01:01:24.660 If you can give half an hour of your day to reading, you'll find that you get through a lot of books in a year.

01:01:30.960 And I'm a very slow reader too.

01:01:32.480 I mean, I don't have Spencer's gift.

01:01:33.840 He just zips through that stuff.

01:01:36.120 But I almost move my lips when I read, but I just sit there doggedly and get through it day by day.

01:01:41.720 And at the end of the year, I've read maybe 50, 60 books and that adds up over time.

01:01:46.720 There aren't that many great books.

01:01:48.320 You know, there aren't a million great books.

01:01:49.740 There may be a thousand, but there aren't a million.

01:01:51.640 So you can read them all if you want to.

01:01:53.720 And then you will find that you actually know stuff that other people don't know.

01:01:57.980 One thing that happened to me as I began to become an educated person, I would be reading magazines and think, oh, this guy's talking about Rousseau, but he's never read Rousseau.

01:02:07.060 I've read Rousseau, but he's just he just took a class in Rousseau.

01:02:10.440 You know, and so that that was you put you make that point in your in your remarks about Ibram Kendi, who's got the nerve to let the words Thomas Sowell come out of his pen, but has clearly never actually read Thomas Sowell like you have.

01:02:23.080 Listen, I want to say even I sit up straight when I mentioned Thomas Sowell.

01:02:27.260 Oh, I mean, we all we all have to know what he's national treasure.

01:02:31.260 This is so wonderful.

01:02:32.300 I again, I encourage everybody to go and read the actual piece on The Daily Wire.

01:02:35.720 It's well worth your time.

01:02:36.600 It's a short eight pages.

01:02:38.160 Clavin, who do you think you are at dailywire.com?

01:02:41.360 I will say this before we go.

01:02:43.420 You mentioned love.

01:02:44.580 You mentioned World War Two.

01:02:45.780 You mentioned a love of reading and becoming an expert sort of organically.

01:02:49.600 And that actually describes Doug Brunt, my husband, perfectly the man I love and the man who is obsessed with World War One and World War Two and has read everything and now is a true authority on everything from Stalin to the Russians.

01:03:02.980 I mean, I like I could go deep into that rabbit hole thanks to him.

01:03:06.320 But I've seen his world come alive as he taught himself so much about that era.

01:03:11.460 And I mentioned it in particular today because it's his birthday.

01:03:14.540 So happy 51st birthday, Duggar.

01:03:17.360 I love you.

01:03:18.560 And Andrew says love is the way forward.

01:03:20.960 It's what matters in life.

01:03:21.940 And he's 100 percent right.

01:03:23.700 Andrew, thank you.

01:03:25.220 Always great, Megan.

01:03:25.960 Thanks a lot.

01:03:26.880 Yeah.

01:03:27.140 Come back soon.

01:03:28.720 And again, happy birthday, Doug.

01:03:30.940 Doug Brunt, very proud of you.

01:03:32.280 And you are somebody who's helped me understand the value of love and how it can change everything.

01:03:38.700 When we come back, we'll meet with an attorney fighting back against a racially hostile work environment that was supposed to be about something very, very different.

01:03:48.320 My next guest is a family law attorney who represents domestic violence victims in Philadelphia.

01:03:57.540 Now, Nicole Levitt is suing her employer, Women Against Abuse, alleging that the organization created a racially hostile work environment in the aftermath of George Floyd's death.

01:04:08.840 Nicole, so great to have you here.

01:04:10.240 Welcome to the show.

01:04:11.700 Great to be here.

01:04:12.420 Happy birthday to your husband.

01:04:14.220 Oh, thank you.

01:04:15.040 Thank you very much.

01:04:15.880 I love when he turns 51 because I'm nine months older than he is.

01:04:19.080 So on this day of the year, he finally catches up to me.

01:04:21.520 You know, I love it.

01:04:23.880 OK, so your story is not unusual, sadly, in the aftermath of George Floyd when we lost our minds.

01:04:30.420 And our previous guest, Andrew Claver, was just talking about how, you know, when you when you hire a bunch of diversity consultants to come in and find diversity problems, they never walk out saying you're good.

01:04:40.780 Like they're getting paid to find them.

01:04:42.720 So Women Against Abuse, a group focused on domestic violence, nonetheless thought this was a good idea. 0.72

01:04:49.000 And what happened after these equity consultants came in?

01:04:53.180 So we had equity consultants and DEI consultants and like in workplaces across the country after George Floyd was killed, they came in to start doing trainings.

01:05:05.760 And what followed was discrimination, stereotyping and scapegoating, which, in my opinion, is not what DEI is supposed to be about.

01:05:17.120 And it ended up being very divisive for our organization.

01:05:21.360 Now, I understand that one of the things they they took issue with was the messaging.

01:05:27.120 W your group started to say to say to the messaging to women who have been abused needs to be very anti police.

01:05:33.780 Yes, that is is something that we debated for a long time.

01:05:40.860 My stance on that always was, well, the police are imperfect.

01:05:44.480 We all know that we would all like to have to have to improve the police and their response to domestic violence.

01:05:51.420 But we need them.

01:05:52.520 So how can we make it better while still using them and not vilifying them?

01:05:59.880 What was the response you got to that?

01:06:02.160 The response was we need restorative justice.

01:06:05.580 We need other programs.

01:06:07.720 It's dangerous for black and brown people to call the police. 1.00

01:06:11.620 And it's actually promoting white supremacy.

01:06:17.680 To call the police.

01:06:20.660 Yes, because it's putting more black and brown people in jail or in jeopardy of getting killed by the police.

01:06:28.300 Things like that.

01:06:29.380 That's insane.

01:06:29.520 So now there's another group that's supposed to be helping victims of abuse is considering what's going to happen to the abuser who may or may not be black or brown.

01:06:38.220 Yes, as well as the client.

01:06:40.520 And and they did say, you know, if your client wants to call the police, call the police, but give them these other options.

01:06:46.740 Well, there's no other options that are really ready.

01:06:49.260 I don't know of any restorative justice program that's actually working and helping domestic violence survivors.

01:06:56.240 You think of just on Monday, we had on Marsha Clark, a famed prosecutor in the O.J. Simpson case, which began with domestic violence and escalated into murder.

01:07:04.900 And, you know, you think about those 9-1-1 calls with Nicole Brown Simpsons, you know, scared out of her mind, desperate for the police to come.

01:07:12.820 Oh, let me refer you to our restorative justice unit and somebody will come out there and give them a bunch of counseling. 0.99

01:07:18.740 Sure, that's going to work.

01:07:20.380 Right.

01:07:20.500 Or even a social worker, we know that domestic violence calls are some of the most dangerous calls for police to attend to.

01:07:27.080 So I don't see how adding an unarmed social worker is going to help that situation at all.

01:07:32.400 So then internally, in addition to the messaging to how to handle domestic violence victims and the messaging toward them, internally, the dialogue started changing in a way that I understand was very negative, including this declaration or contract they wanted you to sign about white people in general and yourself in specific.

01:07:55.460 Can you tell us about that?

01:07:56.280 The specific line was, own that all white people are racist and I'm not the exception. 0.84

01:08:02.160 And that's where I knew I had to act.

01:08:04.560 I absolutely refused to sign that.

01:08:06.720 I was not going to single out any race for this type of dehumanization.

01:08:13.120 And I found it to be very regressive and racist.

01:08:16.220 I couldn't believe what I was reading, honestly.

01:08:18.920 So what kind of a contract was it?

01:08:20.800 Was it an employment contract or it was just a declaration about your racism?

01:08:23.840 Well, it was actually a contract that would govern our behavior in legal center meetings.

01:08:30.180 So the rest of it was fine.

01:08:31.640 It was things like, you know, give your attention to the person speaking, things like that.

01:08:36.060 But then number five was this egregious all white people are racist entry. 0.51

01:08:42.120 And that ruined the whole thing.

01:08:45.720 I'm just curious, what was the race of the people handling this to you, demanding that you sign it?

01:08:50.560 Um, white, mostly white, also some, um, people of color as well.

01:08:59.160 It's always like that.

01:09:00.460 I'm sorry.

01:09:00.680 It's like, we've had so many of these stories where there's a guilty Upper West Side type white liberals working something out.

01:09:07.080 And, um, it's inappropriate and it is illegal.

01:09:09.660 I mean, that, that's compelled.

01:09:11.220 Flatly illegal.

01:09:12.680 And it's a luxury belief.

01:09:14.860 Like, we need to be helping survivors, not debating, you know, who's racist and who isn't.

01:09:21.980 What, what whole, um, race needs to be, um, talked about that way.

01:09:28.380 Like, we just need to focus on our mission.

01:09:30.460 And I find that these DEI programs completely get companies and organizations off of their mission and they create more division and frankly, more racism.

01:09:41.160 Yeah.

01:09:41.620 You're not there for self-flagellation.

01:09:43.440 You're there to help women who are really suffering.

01:09:45.660 The focus should be on them.

01:09:47.460 Um, what kind of group is, is a charity?

01:09:49.700 Is it a, a state or a city run organization?

01:09:52.660 Tell us about it.

01:09:53.400 It's a nonprofit organization.

01:09:54.720 We get private donations.

01:09:56.300 We also get federal funding from the Department of Justice and, um, from VAWA and, um,

01:10:03.300 So it's very clearly illegal.

01:10:04.900 I mean, anything with federal funding cannot divide you by race or compel speech of any kind.

01:10:10.180 They cannot force you to say that all white people are racist and so are you.

01:10:13.140 So you're going to win your case.

01:10:14.660 I know it's pending right now before the EEOC and what you have to do.

01:10:17.720 That's a step you have to take before you can file in federal court, which good on you because this is the only way to stop this nonsense.

01:10:23.680 You know, if these woke administrators won't stand up for what's right, then you've got to go to the courts and the law is still, thank God, the law.

01:10:32.180 I mean, thanks to the civil rights progress we made in the 60s with a law, it's, it still stands.

01:10:37.000 And now we've gone so far the other way.

01:10:39.140 Now white people are taking advantage of these laws.

01:10:41.280 It's just like, it's insane.

01:10:43.480 Yes.

01:10:43.760 And I found that a lot of people don't even realize that white people can and should take advantage of these laws, that the civil rights laws are for everyone.

01:10:51.560 So in addition to being white, you are, um, in a minority group, which is you're Jewish.

01:10:58.720 And I understand there was an incident where there was a general, uh, sentiment.

01:11:03.760 Uh, they circulated an article about antisemitism.

01:11:07.540 Um, a member of the legal center circulated an article about antisemitism in the black lives matter movement.

01:11:13.580 And, and, and you chimed in on this, tell us what happened.

01:11:18.740 I chimed in on this and expressed my discomfort that, um, I had asked for an article on antisemitism to be included with our anti-racism resources.

01:11:28.860 And, um, that, that suggestion was shot down.

01:11:33.000 And what, what followed from that was just a barrage of angry emails from my colleagues, accusing me of furthering white supremacism and taking the spotlight away from black and brown people by bringing up antisemitism within this movement.

01:11:51.100 And the reason why I thought it was important is because they were asking us to espouse this ideology, hook, line, and sinker, while I find, I found it to be hurting, um, a lot of other minorities like Jews, like Asians. 0.74

01:12:07.380 And I wanted that to be part of the discussion that was shot down.

01:12:11.760 However.

01:12:12.000 The, um, the, um, the torrent of vitriol that you received seems overwhelming.

01:12:18.860 One called it a slap in the face.

01:12:20.520 One of your colleagues of every Brown and black person.

01:12:23.940 Uh, another staffer said antisemitism quote is not woven into the fabric of American society.

01:12:30.740 White supremacy is whatever fear Jews feel. 0.84

01:12:34.760 The staffer added is quote, nothing compared to what black Americans feel.

01:12:40.120 Was that true for you?

01:12:43.700 No, that was not true for me.

01:12:45.600 And I didn't want to have an oppression Olympics.

01:12:47.980 Um, I just wanted antisemitism to be part of the discussion, but, um, I found that. 0.98

01:12:57.740 If any offender, um, against any other minority happens to be a person of color, if you bring that up, then you're furthering white supremacy.

01:13:06.340 That is the accusation.

01:13:07.680 Um, so that's why we have, um, you know, crimes committed against Asians and it's largely, um, by people of color in San Francisco.

01:13:18.580 And then if you bring that up, it's furthering white supremacy.

01:13:23.260 Um, that's wrong.

01:13:24.500 I think we need to be able to, you know, say what is true and not sugarcoat anything.

01:13:31.460 That's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of any of these issues.

01:13:35.200 Uh, Washington free beacon did an article on this, uh, and they pointed out though you're, you're, I admire your, uh, reluctance to go there, but you actually did experience, um, violence in your life based on the fact that you're Jewish.

01:13:53.340 As I understand it, you lived in Israel during the second Intifada and actually had, you were shot at and some of your friends died.

01:14:01.020 So you're probably weren't feeling so good about the lecture about how whatever Jews feel, nothing compares to what black Americans feel. 0.99

01:14:09.760 Um, most of whom have not been personally shot at or seeing their friends killed based on race or religion.

01:14:17.360 Right. Um, that was exactly how I was feeling. Um, but I, I didn't want to make it about that. And it was a spotlight. I didn't want. All I wanted was for that to be part of the conversation.

01:14:31.860 And that was shot down because anything that wasn't about black lives matter was not going to be part of the conversation. It just wasn't.

01:14:40.980 So in addition to trying to force you to say something that isn't true and you didn't believe and change the way you counsel victims to steer them away from law enforcement, um, and the vitriol you experienced and trying to raise an issue that is legitimate and deserves some scrutiny.

01:14:58.140 If we're going to go down the identity lane, they also started offering money to so-called BIPOC people and not white people.

01:15:07.920 BIPOC is, um, black, indigenous, uh, people of color, black and indigenous people of color.

01:15:14.300 So that was for the racial equity audit. The premise of the racial equity audit was where does white supremacy manifest in your organization? So not, is it there, but where does it manifest?

01:15:26.720 And for the racial equity audit, they wanted people to volunteer. And if you volunteered, you would receive a stipend.

01:15:33.760 They said the stipend for black and brown people would be higher because of the emotional labor that they would have to do in this audit.

01:15:42.740 Um, I was astounded. I was shocked. I knew that was clearly illegal. And I was wondering when the adults were going to rejoin the room because it was crazy.

01:15:52.660 Yeah. You as a lawyer must've known this is not going to stand. They can't get away with this. So when you first went to them and said, I object, but also I want you to know you've crossed many, many legal lines that weren't, they didn't immediately fall on their swords.

01:16:11.240 Uh, no. In fact, they doubled down on, on their commitment to being an anti-racist organization.

01:16:16.660 Yeah. Whatever that means. It's, it usually means exactly the opposite. So now you've filed in the Kendi and sense. Yes.

01:16:24.480 Yeah. You, you have right. Exactly. Cause Kendi believes the only solution to past discrimination is, is present and future discrimination. Um, now you're still working there. So that's awkward.

01:16:34.140 It is. Um, but I keep my clients and their interests in the forefront of my mind. Um, I know that my colleagues do that as well. And, um, we are still working for the benefit of my clients. Obviously, I really hope that we can settle this, but I need these practices to stop and I need a guarantee that they're going to stop.

01:16:55.800 Um, you know, and I think that this isn't about me at all. This is about whether the civil rights act is going to continue to govern our country.

01:17:05.320 Mm. And so since you filed your complaint, have you received more backlash?

01:17:11.600 Um, not exactly, but I, I really just try to compartmentalize that away and keep my eye on the ball.

01:17:21.060 What do you think is more important at your group right now, uh, helping victims of domestic violence or this obsession with so-called racial justice?

01:17:32.340 I think it would depend on who you're talking to. Um, I think the legal center as a whole would say that, um, helping victims of domestic violence is more important, but I think they would also say that you can't truly help black and brown victims unless you're anti-racist.

01:17:51.660 Wow. Wow. It's not enough for you to say there. This person's race is irrelevant to me. What's relevant to me is she's being hurt by someone she trusts and probably loves and doesn't see a path out. You've got to focus on her skin color and yours.

01:18:07.520 Yes, exactly.

01:18:10.280 This is horrible. I'm sorry this is happening to you. I, you know, you remind me of Jody Shaw, right? The, just one woman who's at a large organization who just says quietly at first and then loudly, I'm not going along with this. I'm not doing this. I, I object, I refuse. Right. And she's involved in litigation now too.

01:18:31.480 So Jody and I have become friends and she's really helped me a lot throughout this circumstance. It's, it's an unusual circumstance to find yourself in. So I, I really found her advice to be very helpful.

01:18:45.020 Good. There are other pioneers in this. Paul Rossi is also one. Yeah. So I'm not alone, but I couldn't abide by all this and keep my integrity. And that was more important to me in the end.

01:19:00.580 That's right, Nicole. And if they don't do right by you, you're going to win. But if you don't, another organization is going to scoop you up, who will treat you better and respectfully and within the bounds of the law. All the best to you. Keep us, keep us updated.

01:19:13.640 Thank you.

01:19:14.880 We're going to be right back with someone who's fighting back against Google censorship and suppression in a fascinating new way. There is now an alternative. Todd Ricketts, who used to run the finance, he was the finance chair at the Republican National Committee.

01:19:29.620 He co-owns the Cubs. He's fighting back and is on the side of the angels on this. He's up next.

01:19:40.820 My next guest is Todd Ricketts. He's the co-owner of the Chicago Cubs, and he was the finance chairman of the Republican National Committee under President Trump.

01:19:49.680 He recently launched a new search engine, a competitor to Google called FreeSpoke, F-R-E-E-S-P-O-K-E, that provides unbiased and uncensored information to users, and it doesn't track or spy on them.

01:20:09.600 So novel. Todd, thank God somebody finally did this. How'd you get the idea?

01:20:14.800 You know, I got to tell you, Megan, thanks for having me, first of all.

01:20:18.440 And I would just start by saying that I've always been a little skeptical of just large companies that have a lot of control.

01:20:27.180 And really, when you get into the technology world, these companies that have these platforms have such control over the news we see.

01:20:35.440 And oftentimes, I would find, like when I was searching on Google, that I would get results that I didn't expect or that I felt like were manipulated or put out in a way to kind of lead me into a way of thinking.

01:20:45.760 And really, as the time went on, I thought I was alone at first.

01:20:49.860 And as I talked to more people, and I started to realize I was not alone, and that other people felt that same way.

01:20:56.100 And really, you've seen that explode in the last few years, where we have this idea of free speech is really under attack in our country.

01:21:04.280 And we need outlets that are willing to put up all sides and have that debate of ideas and have these intellectual discussions instead of a more Russian-style thought police that tells you what to think and tells you what to say and so on and so forth.

01:21:20.100 So your idea is not to create a conservative search engine.

01:21:23.780 It's to create what we all used to think Google was, which is just a fair search engine that doesn't censor one side.

01:21:31.740 Well, that's exactly right.

01:21:32.760 I mean, at its heart, free spoke might attract more conservative people at first, but it's really for everybody.

01:21:39.600 And we call all the people who use free spoke, we call them free fokers.

01:21:42.740 What we're really trying to do is put everything in front of people so they can make their own decisions about the issues of the day.

01:21:51.360 And really, if you search for something that's a little more mundane, like maybe lawnmowers or cars or those things, you're going to find similar results as you might find on Google or other search engines.

01:22:01.320 But it's really when you dig into the news a little bit that you'll see that we're trying to present content from multiple sources and label that content as best we can, whether that to put a little context in it.

01:22:14.520 No, I like this. I'll get to that one second. I'll get to the label because I like this. That's an important piece.

01:22:18.800 But can you just stay for a minute on what you noticed?

01:22:20.900 I think it's interesting to have an actual conservative created a platform like this, because, you know, so often it's just if you have something that might appeal to the right or just fair minded people, it's somebody who's like a little squishy in the middle, like you're an actual conservative.

01:22:35.260 So what did you see when you were Googling on Google that led you to say, I know I'm not getting, you know, fair search results?

01:22:43.280 Well, the greatest was I was talking to someone who was like contemplating investing in Freespoke.

01:22:49.860 And I said, look, look, let's just go on Google, pull up your computer, let's go on Google and type NRA.

01:22:56.080 And so he did. And the actual NRA website was below the fold.

01:23:01.360 It was like the seventh or eighth thing on there after a whole list of like a couple of anti-gun ads and then anti-gun groups.

01:23:09.260 And so it really just reinforced that idea. It was really it was kind of I was a little bit shocked myself.

01:23:13.920 I'm like, I didn't, you know, I didn't realize we're going to be down so far.

01:23:17.240 And so that, you know, that that changes over time and changes on like what who Google thinks you are and like showing you the results, which is just you find out that when you start digging in deep and digging in deeper that you're seeing you're only seeing one side of these issues.

01:23:31.920 It's almost hard if you're more centrist to stay a centrist because you're being manipulated in ways you don't even know, whether it's Twitter trying to send the content.

01:23:43.780 It likes in front of you or Google trying to send the content it likes in front of you or we've had John Stossel on the program talking about how Facebook has has been censoring him and anything he posts on climate change.

01:23:56.300 They challenge him even when the challenge falls down on the facts, they won't rectify the situation.

01:24:02.000 It's like you have so many people working against you, understanding different points of view.

01:24:07.480 No, it's it's 100 percent true. I mean, there's a there's a couple of things you hit on there.

01:24:10.820 I mean, first and foremost, keep in mind that a lot of these platforms, they make their money by keeping you in their platform.

01:24:19.320 Right. And so they're going to show you stuff that they're going to try to get you to click on to stay inside of their platform.

01:24:25.280 And so they're going to show you the stuff that is the most shocking thing that they that that you might see.

01:24:30.140 And then, you know, conversely, or on top of that, you see a lot of these platforms are saying things like we're not going to show anything or we're going to suppress things that go against the.

01:24:40.820 Right. Consensus on climate science. And it's like, well, that is not the free flow of ideas.

01:24:46.020 This country was built on free speech and this country was built on the free flow of ideas.

01:24:50.540 And I think that anything that harms that is incredibly dangerous to us.

01:24:54.760 And really, especially when you get in the climate climate change, for example, I don't think I'm going to die or anything, but I'm also an intellectual who wants to see the facts and lay it out and be thoughtful about it.

01:25:05.360 And to say that there's some sort of consensus or that people who disagree with the consensus can't be heard.

01:25:11.160 It's just dangerous. And really science that can't be questioned isn't really science.

01:25:15.460 It's just it's religion in a different package.

01:25:17.520 This is the perfect time for this service to be born.

01:25:22.200 Freespoke, again, is the name of the company and the search engine in the wake of covid and all of the lies we were told and the suppression that we suffered and the, you know, just inability to question anything.

01:25:33.380 Right. I think YouTube this week just changed its policy.

01:25:36.300 Now you won't get censored if you suggest that masks do not prevent the spread of covid.

01:25:41.320 But finally, you can say that without getting said. And by the way, YouTube and Google, that's the same same pair of company.

01:25:48.180 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's that's the that's the mindset of your competitor that we should be censored for saying things like that.

01:25:54.520 So to pretend that YouTube would be doing that to us and Google would be totally open minded and there'd be no manipulation is naive.

01:26:01.100 So you're actually providing both sides of it.

01:26:04.220 And what I love is the thing we just talked about, which is you will if you Google climate change on Freespoke, you'll get a bunch of news articles.

01:26:13.320 You can either hit all or hit news just like you can on Google.

01:26:16.160 And if you hit news, you'll get a CNN article.

01:26:18.680 You get a Vox article. What you may get a Fox News article.

01:26:21.400 And Todd's service, Freespoke, will say, right, if you click like the Fox News link shows in a little red, right, CNN will show.

01:26:29.820 I think it's left. Yeah. That's not D. I'm trying to think of it.

01:26:32.300 I think it's L. And so finally, people who used to think CNN was just the news get a warning, a disclosure, I guess, warning or disclosure, depending on your point of view.

01:26:43.620 This is leftist. OK, so proceed at your own risk.

01:26:46.820 Take it in Fox News. Same thing. I love that.

01:26:50.920 Yeah, no. So we thought it was important to try to give context to the news that we're putting out there, too.

01:26:55.220 It's like we're not trying to lead anybody down a particular path, but just want to note that, you know, the sources have an agenda and they have a bias.

01:27:03.000 And so when you're reading from those sources, it's good to know that it's like I said, started to say before, it's it's not really meant to be a panacea to like say like, oh, well, this is ultimately super left.

01:27:12.660 That's super right. It's just a little bit of a guide to give the context.

01:27:16.120 So when you're reading these stories, you have that background to know where they're coming from.

01:27:21.080 Well, I laugh because I know that middle M is also an option. 0.98

01:27:24.760 And I my first skeptical thought was nobody going to be in the middle.

01:27:29.940 I don't know who he's going to cite for in the middle.

01:27:31.840 So I actually did look and it was like Us Weekly.

01:27:35.160 OK, I accept that, actually.

01:27:37.220 Yeah, that's my you know, when I get a little personal, say my daughter and I were at the airport and she picked up at Us Weekly and she's like, this is the only truthful news in this whole store.

01:27:49.600 She's not wrong. 0.92

01:27:51.100 Well, one of the I know, as I pointed out, used to be finance chair for the RNC.

01:27:55.120 And I know so you've lived this personally and found out after the last election, Google was indeed manipulating what its users were seeing and were not seeing.

01:28:06.320 Can you expand on that?

01:28:08.000 I mean, it's a little bit insane.

01:28:09.860 And specifically, I'll shift over to the emails that if you had a Gmail account and you received an RNC fundraising email, there was an 85 percent likelihood that that got put into your spam folder.

01:28:22.460 And if you receive that same email from the Democrat National Committee, there was only a 10 percent chance it would go into your spam folder.

01:28:28.660 So they were actively working to to suppress the effectiveness of the RNC's fundraising abilities in the last election.

01:28:37.660 And I guess I just keep coming back to the same word.

01:28:39.900 It's just dangerous and it's shocking.

01:28:41.880 Our country should be about free speech.

01:28:44.100 You know, I think there was Patrick Henry said, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

01:28:50.060 And I feel that is under attack in our country today.

01:28:52.780 And we need to have some outlets that are that are willing to say, right, no, we're going to show all the sides and let people make their own decisions.

01:28:58.360 It's really it's really what our society and our culture and our country were founded on.

01:29:03.320 So Google's got what, 90 percent market share?

01:29:06.220 Something like that.

01:29:07.420 Yeah, I've seen some varying numbers, but that's probably a good guess of it.

01:29:10.480 I think I think they have about a billion users around the world.

01:29:14.020 And it's foisted on you on everything you buy.

01:29:16.760 You know, you buy the iPhone.

01:29:18.380 It's right there.

01:29:19.000 You click on it.

01:29:19.700 You're Safari.

01:29:20.500 And next thing you know, you're off to Google and your laptop and so on.

01:29:23.340 So if people want to try free spoke, number one, how do they do it?

01:29:27.760 How do they get it as their default surgeon or engine?

01:29:30.440 And number two, are they going to be getting as good a service by us to the side, you know, as plentiful results, as meaningful results as they would with this huge, massive corporation?

01:29:42.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:43.220 No, I would I'd be willing to put our search results up against Google's.

01:29:46.460 I think we have a pretty robust engine itself.

01:29:49.920 We're still working on the product, you know, and adding things every day.

01:29:52.740 But the best way really to to to use our product is to go to free spoke dot com or go into one of the app stores and download the free spoke app.

01:30:02.880 And then you can have it on your phone.

01:30:04.480 Does it cost money or because how can you not be monitoring people?

01:30:08.140 How can you if it doesn't cost money?

01:30:09.640 Because I've been using it and I'm like, I must have just I must be paying a bill that I didn't realize I was paying because I know you're not spying on people.

01:30:16.480 So how can that work?

01:30:17.980 Right.

01:30:18.200 How are you making your money if you're not charging me anything?

01:30:21.440 Well, first of all, you're a smart person to know that when you're on the Internet and you're not paying anything, you are the product.

01:30:27.380 All right.

01:30:28.080 That's how Google thinks about you and use and your information.

01:30:31.240 And so what we do is we don't track people.

01:30:33.260 We have a privacy policy where we're not tracking.

01:30:37.520 And that does inhibit your inhibit your ability to target ads the most effective way.

01:30:42.860 But also, it's just it's you're still going to get some ads.

01:30:45.620 They're just not going to be targeted to you based on everything that we've been gathering about you for the last 20 years.

01:30:51.480 Good.

01:30:52.140 So you're a little less creepy than Google is even even Eric Schmidt, I think, used that word about.

01:30:57.380 Google, but it's a little.

01:30:58.660 He said he that was Eric Schmidt's own line.

01:31:00.580 He said, we try to walk up to the creepy line and and not cross it.

01:31:05.280 And my response is like, well, who gets to decide where the creepy line is?

01:31:08.700 Yeah, who gets to decide what's creepy?

01:31:10.080 And so I've always felt that what they decided wasn't creepy was creepy.

01:31:13.940 No, it's like a woman walking down the street with, you know, a dress on and there's some guy trying to sneak underneath the dress like I stop before the line gets creepy.

01:31:20.540 Now, you're already creepy.

01:31:22.060 Get up.

01:31:23.900 Exactly.

01:31:24.980 All right.

01:31:25.480 So free spoke.

01:31:26.360 That's how I did it.

01:31:27.020 I went to my app store.

01:31:28.160 I typed in free spoke.

01:31:29.380 I hit, you know, download and I was off to the races.

01:31:32.260 But how do you make it your default?

01:31:34.680 Because like how will people have to enter it each time?

01:31:38.540 There is a browser extension that you can put in Chrome to make it your default browser.

01:31:43.740 And it's a little bit more involved, but we'll put we'll put it up on the side so people can find it easily.

01:31:49.660 OK, all right, good, because we need to make an active choice to do this, to support this organization so that we're not ruled by this people who hate anybody who's not a leftist.

01:31:58.240 I mean, truly, that's how it is.

01:31:59.660 While I have you, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about politics a little bit, given your prior role and just your closeness to a bunch of Republican politicians.

01:32:08.420 A lot of buzz in the news this week about the special election in New York's 19.

01:32:13.780 And for the audience members at home, this is upstate New York, where the Democrat Pat Ryan has prevailed over the Republican Mark Molinaro.

01:32:20.600 The Republic is 51.9 to 48.1.

01:32:23.460 But it's a special election.

01:32:24.540 They're going to have to redo it again in November.

01:32:25.820 But the thing is that the guy who won, the Democrat Ryan, was trailing by double digits last month.

01:32:33.260 So, I mean, the MSNBC was gleeful about this, like Dobbs, Dobbs, Dobbs.

01:32:41.380 It's changed everything.

01:32:43.080 The generic congressional ballot now has the Republicans up only point to zero point two, whereas in February it was GOP plus four.

01:32:52.220 So, for sure, their fortunes seem to be going down.

01:32:57.120 Why do you think that is?

01:32:59.140 And what do you think can be done about it?

01:33:01.680 Well, I would call it all really, really normal.

01:33:05.320 I feel like this is a narrative that we go through every two years in every election.

01:33:08.580 And, you know, right around August at some point, people start saying like, oh, well, it looks like Republicans were going to win, but now they're not going to win and so on.

01:33:15.880 But really, ever since 1994, when Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House, he was the first Republican Speaker in 40 years.

01:33:27.760 And really, before that, Democrats had really controlled Congress.

01:33:31.560 And so that was the first time that everything just became razor thin.

01:33:34.720 And ever since then, every every House seat, every Senate race, every race has become just so razor thin and everything is decided in the margins there.

01:33:46.180 And that's, I think, what has led to kind of like this viciousness of politics in our country that we've seen grow is that is that there's a real battle going on in our country about where the direction of our country is is going to go.

01:33:57.760 And it's close.

01:33:58.800 It's like we're really split down the middle of 50 50.

01:34:00.900 Hmm. Cook Political reporting red wave now looks more like a ripple come midterms.

01:34:07.680 What's your prediction?

01:34:08.700 I won't I won't mock you if you get it wrong.

01:34:10.600 What's your prediction on the House and the Senate?

01:34:12.840 Well, I mean, I'm not big into making predictions, but I think it's pretty clear that that Kevin McCarthy will be the speaker come January.

01:34:20.660 I don't I don't think there's a lot of question on that.

01:34:22.400 And when it comes to control of the Senate, you know, this was always something that was going to be up in the balance.

01:34:28.360 I think there's four states where Republicans need to hold on to their seats and and then gain one more and in either Georgia or Arizona and so on.

01:34:37.860 So it's it's always it was always going to be like a kind of a tough year, I think.

01:34:43.360 And that gets I think it's showing itself to be that tough year.

01:34:45.880 And then really, we'll just kind of wait and see where it goes and come October.

01:34:49.320 Now, what about presidential who will be the Republican nominee?

01:34:54.580 What what's your guess if you had to say right now?

01:34:57.680 You know, I really I I'm not going to say anything right now just because I don't I don't have somebody and I don't nobody's actually announced.

01:35:03.600 And really, I feel like every election, you have to focus on what's right in front of you because you can't count any chickens before they hatch.

01:35:10.200 So give me top three names.

01:35:12.860 What's that?

01:35:13.780 Top three names of who I think is going to run or who I think should run.

01:35:17.940 Who do you think will run?

01:35:20.440 Oh, well, I mean, as of today, I think that President Trump will run again.

01:35:25.260 Ron DeSantis has made it clear that he's going to run.

01:35:27.880 And then there's a whole bunch of people that are out there, you know, kind of like your Tim Scotts or your Greg Abbott's or your Glenn Youngkins, who I'm sure are kicking around right now that wait and see what happens.

01:35:39.060 But there's there's a lot of a lot of work to be done before then.

01:35:42.260 And what do you think about the chances of a Republican overtaking Joe Biden if he runs again?

01:35:49.340 You know, I think it's just such a such a long ways away.

01:35:54.300 You know, a week is a lifetime in politics, as they say.

01:35:57.220 And we've got we've got a lot of weeks in between now and then.

01:36:00.720 I think the administration has shown itself to be a little more left wing than the country.

01:36:06.880 So we'll see. We'll see how that takes place in the next.

01:36:10.220 See what takes place in the next year or two to shape that up.

01:36:13.500 So it's going to be so interesting.

01:36:15.540 All right. Listen, in advance of those midterms, in advance of the presidential election, you want to make sure you're getting fair news.

01:36:22.220 You want to make sure anybody's bias is flagged for you.

01:36:26.040 Right. Just in case you don't know some of the sites you don't know.

01:36:28.300 And that's why you need Todd's new site.

01:36:31.260 FreeSpoke.com will help you get through it.

01:36:34.240 And so far, I agree with all of his classifications.

01:36:37.020 So good to see you. Thanks for coming on.

01:36:39.360 Yeah, thanks for having me on. Really good to see you, too.

01:36:41.580 Yeah. To be continued. We'll do it again.

01:36:43.440 All right. Thanks to all of you for joining us today.

01:36:45.220 Your calls next week, I promise I would love to do that.

01:36:47.960 And as I mentioned, we are having Spencer Cleaven next week.

01:36:52.020 And we're going to have Michael Schellenberger back, Michael Knowles.

01:36:55.980 And we'll have an exclusive interview with Richie McGinnis.

01:36:59.700 You may or may not know Richie McGinnis.

01:37:01.720 When I explain to you who he is, you'll know him well.

01:37:03.800 And you'll enjoy it. Have a great weekend.

01:37:08.240 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 25, 2022

Biden's Wealth Transfer, and Search Censorship, with Andrew Klavan, Nicole Levitt, and Todd Ricketts ｜ Ep. 380

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