The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden Still Hiding After Dropping Out, and Elites Coronate Kamala, with Charles C.W. Cooke, and Jim Geraghty, and Dave Rubin ｜ Ep. 844

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.940 We begin today with a stunning announcement via ex-post yesterday

00:00:19.320 that President Joe Biden will be dropping out of the presidential race, vying for a second term.

00:00:25.480 But the very real question this morning is, where the hell is the president?

00:00:30.540 Where is he? Why haven't we seen him?

00:00:34.140 At 1.46 p.m. Eastern on Sunday afternoon, Joe Biden unceremoniously ended his re-election bid

00:00:40.560 with a one-page written statement posted by whoever writes his ex-account.

00:00:46.760 Typewritten, I should clarify.

00:00:48.660 As of this moment, we still have not seen or heard from the president publicly.

00:00:55.280 The news was kept so close to the vest that even top advisors and members of his cabinet

00:00:59.120 say they found out via social media.

00:01:01.700 Stunned White House staffers reported to have broken down in tears at the news.

00:01:06.300 After all, they had been defiantly telling us all for weeks that President Biden was not

00:01:10.260 dropping out of the race, which many of us did not believe.

00:01:14.060 According to an in-depth piece published by Politico and another from the New York Times,

00:01:19.280 here's how at least they're saying it all went down.

00:01:22.820 I'm coming to this with a healthy dose of skepticism.

00:01:25.260 I think you should, too.

00:01:26.980 Pieces of this feel like a manipulation.

00:01:30.020 Here's what they are saying.

00:01:32.100 And this is obviously from White House sources to Politico and the Times.

00:01:35.860 On Saturday, Mr. Biden summoned close advisors Steve Ricchetti and Mike Donilon to his Delaware

00:01:41.820 beach home, where they socially distanced from the president, supposedly because of his

00:01:47.460 COVID, to help craft his exit strategy.

00:01:50.480 These are his closest aides.

00:01:52.020 Remember, the White House told us on Wednesday, Mr. Biden is suffering with COVID.

00:01:56.980 OK, that same night, video showed Mr. Biden appearing to need physical assistance to even

00:02:02.740 get into his waiting motorcade.

00:02:04.080 Can you see this? Try to look.

00:02:05.440 We spotlighted it, but it's alarming.

00:02:08.440 This does not look like COVID.

00:02:10.420 This looks like somebody, I don't know, he can barely get into a car.

00:02:16.300 Look at this.

00:02:18.580 Extremely fragile, slow, rigid.

00:02:23.700 It's hard to see in the dark, but you can see a bit.

00:02:26.460 He is not in good shape.

00:02:28.240 And since then, we haven't seen him.

00:02:30.180 It looks like his security detail actually has to move his legs for him into the SUV.

00:02:34.540 The president was whisked off to Delaware to isolate, has not been seen since.

00:02:37.900 Then comes the paper statement, I'm out.

00:02:40.260 The New York Times says Donilon helped craft the statement.

00:02:43.100 The other guy, Ricchetti, focused on next steps, like when to inform staffers, most of

00:02:47.420 whom were kept in the dark, so they say.

00:02:50.460 In fact, as of late Sunday morning, few knew about it.

00:02:53.360 The first to hear the truth outside of that small circle were the vice president, the White

00:02:57.780 House chief of staff and the Biden campaign manager, who we played for you over the weekend,

00:03:02.420 saying he's in it for the long haul.

00:03:03.960 And then we played you the DeSantis and the Haley soundbite saying, we're in it for the

00:03:08.320 long haul, right before they dropped out.

00:03:10.900 Each of those members I just mentioned reportedly received calls directly from the president.

00:03:16.320 That's what they say.

00:03:17.720 Then just one minute before the news broke, President Biden reportedly told other advisors,

00:03:21.580 including Anita Dunn, who manages comms for him.

00:03:25.020 Next came the post on X and the letter that leaves many questions.

00:03:30.740 First, the thing does not include the official White House seal.

00:03:34.700 It's not on White House stationery.

00:03:36.520 It simply says Joseph R. Biden Jr. at the top.

00:03:40.700 Why is that?

00:03:41.420 Don't know.

00:03:42.480 The letter reads, quote, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country

00:03:46.780 for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder

00:03:52.620 of my term.

00:03:53.820 There's no explanation for his decision and there's no endorsement of his vice president.

00:04:00.940 Curiously, many are questioning if the signature at the bottom of this letter even belongs to

00:04:06.960 the president.

00:04:07.680 Did he actually sign this letter under his name is an underline, which he apparently never

00:04:14.520 does, and it appears that the name Biden has an S at the end.

00:04:20.760 The Bidens, it looks like.

00:04:23.340 Joseph R. Bidens?

00:04:25.520 It's unlike anything we've ever seen from Joe Biden.

00:04:28.360 On the screen here, you can see a sample of prior signatures from the president.

00:04:33.720 There's no underline, and he doesn't use an S at the end.

00:04:38.940 Now, I will tell you the way he signs his name, maybe we get that name back up, you guys,

00:04:43.200 where it's just his signature with a J.

00:04:46.580 If you're going to sign something on behalf of your husband, for example, you do a line.

00:04:51.120 You do this in the law.

00:04:52.240 You do a line.

00:04:52.980 And you say, like, for Joe Biden.

00:04:59.480 That's how you would sign it.

00:05:00.640 Like, if I were going to sign it for him, for Joe Biden, I'd do a line to show it wasn't

00:05:05.600 actually Joe Biden.

00:05:06.700 And maybe the S is meant to connote it's from both of them.

00:05:11.900 You know, Joe and Jill.

00:05:14.500 I've got a lot of questions about this myself.

00:05:16.360 Why is there an S?

00:05:17.220 I did go back personally to look at his other signatures just to see if that's just the way

00:05:20.740 his N looks and there looks like there's an S at the end of it.

00:05:24.100 No, that's not the case.

00:05:25.280 I don't know what the S is doing there.

00:05:26.900 I do think we deserve answers.

00:05:28.120 I'm not going full conspiracy theory on you.

00:05:29.920 I just, why is that?

00:05:31.340 Why haven't we seen him?

00:05:32.540 Why isn't it on White House stationery?

00:05:34.660 Why does it have an S at the end?

00:05:36.440 And why is there an underline when there never is?

00:05:38.420 What's happening?

00:05:40.740 Is he okay?

00:05:41.320 Uh, there are some concerning statements coming out from his brother about how on a selfish

00:05:48.180 basis, he's looking forward to spending whatever time the president has left with him.

00:05:54.060 What does that mean?

00:05:55.460 He's still our sitting president.

00:05:56.980 He didn't resign the presidency.

00:05:58.900 He's just not running for a second term.

00:06:01.760 Um, getting back to the messaging political, also reporting that the lack of endorsement for

00:06:06.100 his vice president triggered a flurry of panic text messages and calls.

00:06:09.780 So 27 minutes after the initial message, that statement, we just went over Joe Biden's

00:06:15.200 X account again, posted another tweet clarifying that he was backing Ms. Harris, offering her

00:06:21.920 his quote, full support and endorsement to be the nominee.

00:06:25.020 A short time ago, she made her first public appearance at the White House.

00:06:29.780 Our president, Joe Biden, wanted to be here today.

00:06:33.420 He is feeling much better and recovering fast.

00:06:36.080 And he looks forward to getting back on the road.

00:06:38.640 And I wanted to say a few words about our president.

00:06:41.840 Joe Biden's legacy of accomplishment over the past three years is unmatched in modern history.

00:06:48.320 In one term, he has already surpassed the legacy of most presidents who have served two terms

00:07:04.080 in office.

00:07:05.120 And I first came to know President Biden through his son, Beau.

00:07:08.880 We worked together as attorneys general in our states.

00:07:12.640 And back then, Beau would often tell me stories about his dad.

00:07:17.360 He would talk about the kind of father and the kind of man-

00:07:20.840 All right, you get the gist.

00:07:21.680 It goes off on a personal anecdote.

00:07:23.500 But there she is saying lovely things about the president.

00:07:25.760 He's my hero.

00:07:26.440 He's a hero.

00:07:27.160 And that's what we're hearing all over the media today.

00:07:29.080 So many questions still unanswered.

00:07:31.060 In fact, one of my next guests just wrote that this is the era of the Pino or Pino, the

00:07:36.520 president in name only.

00:07:38.320 That's how it's starting to feel.

00:07:40.200 Joining me now are friends from National Review.

00:07:42.180 Charles C.W.

00:07:42.760 Cook is a senior writer and host of the Charles C.W.

00:07:44.860 Cook podcast.

00:07:45.920 And Jim Garrity is a senior political correspondent and author of the new book, Dueling Six Demons,

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00:08:46.500 Charlie, Jim, welcome back to the show.

00:08:48.200 Jim, I'll start with you because you wrote that.

00:08:49.980 I guess I think it should be Pino, right?

00:08:51.780 Rhymes with Rhino, Republican in name only.

00:08:54.500 Pino.

00:08:54.960 I guess, yeah.

00:08:55.580 Where is he?

00:08:56.080 Look, this started out as, wow, this is really weird.

00:09:00.860 By the time we got up this morning and there was no on-camera statement, there was no taped

00:09:07.220 statement, there was no radio address.

00:09:11.260 It does not make any sense for both the president's doctor, 45 minutes before the announcement,

00:09:17.560 puts out a statement saying the president's recovering great.

00:09:20.720 Blood oxygen level is what it should be.

00:09:23.280 All his vitals look fine.

00:09:24.480 And he's doing fine.

00:09:25.980 Also, you can't see him.

00:09:27.300 You're not allowed to see him at all.

00:09:28.860 And then Kamala Harris comes out and says, oh, he's recovering terrific.

00:09:32.360 But you don't see him.

00:09:33.680 We didn't even get a picture of him signing this document.

00:09:36.380 So it really feels like this morning, the range of outcomes are he's got COVID and his

00:09:42.080 voice is just wrecked.

00:09:44.160 And you just, you know, his voice was already kind of weak and he often would get this kind

00:09:48.000 of raspy whisper.

00:09:49.500 So maybe it's really just that.

00:09:50.980 That's the best case scenario.

00:09:52.000 The worst case scenario, Megan, by the way, Charlie, good to see you.

00:09:55.640 This sense of like, is he conscious right now?

00:09:59.700 Is he, you know, bedridden?

00:10:01.380 Does he look so sick?

00:10:03.880 And the other thing in the back of my mind is like, oh, first of all, I want to point

00:10:06.660 out.

00:10:06.920 So I was at the Republican convention last week.

00:10:08.540 Rational people, people who are not conspiracy theorists, people who are not prone to hyperbole.

00:10:15.080 When the report came out, oh, the president's got COVID, in the mainstream media, we're not,

00:10:20.920 oh, okay, he's got COVID.

00:10:22.180 They're like, hmm, you think that's COVID?

00:10:24.200 Do you think that's something else?

00:10:25.100 Do you think they're using this as an excuse?

00:10:26.640 That speculation was going around, not just in us crazy right-winger circles, but elsewhere.

00:10:31.620 And then just second, like, you know, if he's well, why can't we see him?

00:10:38.760 Why can't we hear him?

00:10:39.500 Why can't we get a picture of him?

00:10:41.620 And then you mentioned the comment from Frank Biden.

00:10:45.060 I kind of want to say, you know, we've always thought Biden was too old to serve a second

00:10:49.020 term.

00:10:49.880 Signs have been obvious.

00:10:50.940 But I think really, like, this is now getting into a kind of a really chilling and unnerving

00:10:54.660 tone to all of this, that we really should be seeing the president by now.

00:10:59.480 Now, this is getting even more scandalous, Charles, because he is the sitting president.

00:11:06.400 This would be bad enough if he had announced he was stepping down from his second term bid

00:11:12.500 and the presidency, and we weren't seeing him.

00:11:16.040 People would have questions, where is he?

00:11:18.760 Why isn't there at least a still shot?

00:11:20.340 All of that is traditional, not for an announcement like this.

00:11:23.980 But when the president's issuing a large paper statement or something, they'll often show him

00:11:28.660 assigning legislation.

00:11:30.740 They'll just show you at least video of him.

00:11:33.980 But he's the sitting commander in chief, right?

00:11:37.220 He still does have the nuclear football.

00:11:39.540 So where is he?

00:11:41.080 And how long could they possibly keep him out of public sight?

00:11:46.720 I find this very weird, too.

00:11:48.980 You know me, Megan, I'm an anti-conspiracy theorist.

00:11:52.260 I'm a skeptic.

00:11:53.120 I think I think the three of us might be the last three saying President Trump lost the

00:11:56.920 2020 election.

00:11:58.160 We are very slow to jump on, you know, popular beliefs just because they're popular.

00:12:03.880 So, yes, for us three to be saying this is weird, tells people something.

00:12:09.460 Right.

00:12:09.700 It's weird.

00:12:10.320 And President Trump did lose the 2020 election, as you say.

00:12:13.620 And you throw up a conspiracy theory and I will knock it down.

00:12:18.480 But this is odd.

00:12:20.120 Now, again, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy.

00:12:22.560 As Jim says, it could just be that he really is sick and seems feeble and doesn't want to

00:12:27.020 be seen.

00:12:27.560 But the thing that is particularly bizarre about this, from my perspective, is that there hasn't

00:12:34.480 been anything.

00:12:36.000 There hasn't been a photograph.

00:12:37.580 I wouldn't be affected by his voice.

00:12:39.460 There hasn't even been a TikTok in not the app run by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:12:45.600 I mean, a moment by moment account in the newspaper of how this went down.

00:12:51.660 This note was released on Twitter without his staff knowing.

00:12:59.380 They were surprised by it.

00:13:01.100 So all of the usual coverage that we would expect to see has been missing.

00:13:08.640 And it does make you wonder.

00:13:10.220 I mean, look, it is not new for the White House or the press to cover up presidents who

00:13:18.840 are in dire straits.

00:13:21.020 This happened with Woodrow Wilson in the last year of his second term.

00:13:28.640 It happened with Franklin Roosevelt.

00:13:31.680 There's a better reason for that one, I think, because we were engaged in a world war.

00:13:35.280 But nevertheless, his health was covered up.

00:13:37.360 Many of Kennedy's health problems and indeed his dalliances with women who were not his

00:13:43.960 wife were covered up by the press.

00:13:46.460 In Britain, Winston Churchill had a stroke and was essentially incapacitated for six months.

00:13:51.100 And the press hit that.

00:13:53.120 So it's not beyond the reasonable thoughts of reasonable people to wonder whether the White 0.98

00:14:04.980 House and the press might for 24 hours be trying to hide Biden's condition.

00:14:11.760 And I've had the same thoughts as Jim.

00:14:14.120 I mean, perhaps it's that he has really bad COVID, but perhaps he's had a stroke.

00:14:18.420 I mean, perhaps he's on a ventilator.

00:14:19.640 It would be good to know because this is about more than just the election.

00:14:24.740 Now, the Democrats have only cared about this because of the election.

00:14:27.760 The reason that he was kicked out, he's not a wonderful, selfless man.

00:14:30.780 He was kicked out.

00:14:31.640 Nancy Pelosi made it clear what would happen to him.

00:14:34.280 The reason he was kicked out was because he was losing and losing badly.

00:14:37.060 The Midwest was gone and he was losing in states such as New Hampshire and New Mexico

00:14:42.460 and Virginia, which you just don't want to do, to Donald Trump, of all people.

00:14:47.260 But he's still the president.

00:14:48.700 And because he's still the president, not only does it matter, as you outlined, but actually

00:14:52.540 as voters, as citizens, we do have a right to know this.

00:14:56.060 We don't have a right to know the internal machinations of the Democratic Party.

00:14:59.480 It's a semi-private institution.

00:15:00.980 We do have a right to know whether the president is able to be photographed or filmed saying he's

00:15:07.040 dropping out.

00:15:07.540 Now, that's absolutely right.

00:15:09.820 Jim points out in a great piece on National Review Online today as well and our nationalreview.com

00:15:14.900 politicals reporting the White House chief of staff rather than Biden himself inform the

00:15:20.340 cabinet of the decision.

00:15:23.200 So, I mean, he can't make phone calls.

00:15:25.900 That's not what like.

00:15:26.980 Is he dying of covid?

00:15:28.320 What's I thought?

00:15:29.160 Pax Lovett.

00:15:29.700 Yeah, solve this.

00:15:30.640 So before I go any further, I want to point out that as important as what you do, Megan,

00:15:37.200 and what Charlie does, nothing we do is as important as the presidency.

00:15:40.880 But if for some reason we couldn't continue doing our jobs, we would want to tell our readers

00:15:45.960 and our listeners, hey, here's what's going on.

00:15:48.920 And I'm sorry, I'd like to be able to continue.

00:15:51.160 That letter had one paragraph that just said, it's best for me to focus on my duties as president

00:15:56.540 right now.

00:15:57.780 No explanation of this is a health issue.

00:16:00.360 No explanation of my advisors have come to me and said there's no path to victory in

00:16:04.060 the general election.

00:16:05.420 No path that like it's time for me to pass it.

00:16:07.820 Like it just it's just there.

00:16:09.340 It's just two sentences in it.

00:16:10.800 And I will tell you more later.

00:16:12.980 And we're coming up probably by the end of this program.

00:16:14.920 We'll hit 24 hours where not only have we not, you know, seen the president, there's

00:16:19.500 just nothing further.

00:16:21.260 And I'm just saying, if you're a president, wouldn't you want to tell the people?

00:16:25.380 Wouldn't you want to say, my fellow Americans, it has been my greatest honor to be your

00:16:28.780 president.

00:16:29.140 But that time is coming to an end.

00:16:31.400 And here's why.

00:16:32.940 Lyndon Johnson did it from the Oval Office.

00:16:35.020 This is, you know, completely weird.

00:16:38.200 Just because it just, you know, and the other thing I've one or two people said to me, Jim,

00:16:41.960 it's the most bitter pill he's ever had to swallow.

00:16:44.260 And he's he's so upset and he's so frustrated.

00:16:47.320 He just can't look at anybody.

00:16:48.440 And that's why he's not doing it.

00:16:49.440 Well, you're the president.

00:16:51.100 Like, you know, Jim froze, but we'll try to unfreeze him.

00:16:59.420 We have magical defrosting abilities, which we will spray on Jim and we will bring him

00:17:03.940 back while we talk to Charlie.

00:17:05.760 But wait, let me just point this out, Charlie.

00:17:08.800 This is also from Jim's piece this morning.

00:17:11.220 He's citing the news about Frank Biden, the president's younger brother, in that statement

00:17:14.840 that I just read that I just paraphrased.

00:17:17.720 The actual statement is, I'm incredibly proud of my brother.

00:17:19.960 He said this to CBS News selfishly, I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we have

00:17:26.140 left.

00:17:27.020 He's a genuine hero.

00:17:28.540 Again, this is the younger brother, whatever time we have left.

00:17:32.240 And Jim goes on to write as follows.

00:17:34.480 The president's brother was just it was then asked whether he felt the president's overall

00:17:38.380 health and vitality played a role in the decision.

00:17:41.720 And he answered, in my humble opinion, absolutely.

00:17:45.560 So his health, of course, did play a role.

00:17:48.340 Oh, look, my my defrosting abilities work on Jim the same way they work when I make the

00:17:53.140 dinner in the microwave.

00:17:54.480 Go ahead, Jim Garrity.

00:17:56.300 Megan, Charlie, I'm sorry.

00:17:57.400 I just froze like Biden at a White House of rent.

00:17:59.480 I just kind of suddenly couldn't move.

00:18:02.000 I guess in light of that, I really should joke about his his health condition.

00:18:05.520 But yeah.

00:18:06.800 No, just kind of to wrap up my point that like the fact that Biden isn't out there to tell

00:18:12.080 us when you kind of figure he'd want to is another sign that something is very wrong and

00:18:17.280 we're not getting told the whole story.

00:18:19.420 OK, so here's where I wanted to go with the Charlie.

00:18:21.380 You you guys are old enough.

00:18:23.420 At least Jim is.

00:18:24.720 And I think you're old enough for this reference, Charlie.

00:18:27.960 I've been mentioning it the past couple of days.

00:18:30.000 I finally pulled a clip.

00:18:31.620 It was a movie called Dave and it starred Kevin Kline and Sigourney Weaver.

00:18:38.060 And the plot of Dave is that the president has a stroke and is incapacitated.

00:18:43.560 And rather than being honest about that and transferring power to the vice president,

00:18:47.320 his staff hires a lookalike who also played by Kevin Kline is a dead ringer for the actual

00:18:55.720 president and convinces him it's in the best interest of the country for him to step in

00:18:59.820 and pretend to be the president.

00:19:02.620 Not even the first lady is let in on the secret.

00:19:06.600 And I really have to wonder whether something not too far from this scene is happening right

00:19:12.220 now.

00:19:12.540 Watch.

00:19:14.120 The reason we invited you here tonight is because something has happened to the president.

00:19:20.340 It's actually kind of serious, Dave.

00:19:21.840 Dave, I'm afraid the president's not in very good shape.

00:19:27.480 Will he be all right?

00:19:28.360 Oh, yeah.

00:19:30.400 Probably.

00:19:31.020 We think so.

00:19:31.900 Yes.

00:19:33.500 Oh.

00:19:36.000 Dave.

00:19:39.500 Sometimes we need our friends and even our enemies to feel safe and secure.

00:19:46.360 We need them to feel like they can go to bed at night knowing that President Mitchell

00:19:50.880 is fully in control.

00:19:53.260 What about the vice president?

00:19:55.200 Vice president?

00:19:58.740 We didn't want to have to tell you this, Dave.

00:20:06.360 But the vice president is mentally unbalanced.

00:20:09.700 Dave.

00:20:11.860 The country is sick.

00:20:15.360 And you're going to get it to the hospital.

00:20:17.040 Well, I mean, hello, that that literally could have happened on Sunday morning, as far as

00:20:27.260 we know, not with a lookalike, but the rope a dope right where they're they're doing what

00:20:33.500 they think is in the best interest for the country.

00:20:36.560 Charlie, he's got to step aside.

00:20:38.540 But we really have no idea whether he's fully functioning physically or mentally behind closed

00:20:44.640 doors.

00:20:44.900 Yeah, I hope that's not happening.

00:20:48.620 I have seen that movie and it ends with them contriving the most insanely left wing

00:20:55.300 set of policies that you've ever heard of.

00:20:59.640 I mean, policies that Bernie Sanders would say, wow, that's a bit far.

00:21:03.980 So let's hope that we're not headed towards that conclusion.

00:21:06.920 I think he gets Charles Grodin to come in and he does the books.

00:21:10.400 That's his buddy who's his accountant.

00:21:11.780 And he comes in and does the White House books.

00:21:13.280 And they realize, because, of course, of course, the budget couldn't be balanced for years by

00:21:19.240 Congress or other presidents.

00:21:20.460 But his accountant buddy comes in and just works it out.

00:21:23.440 It's just classic Hollywood.

00:21:25.320 But no, no.

00:21:27.300 I mean, look, the other reason that it is important for this to be resolved by the White House is

00:21:35.460 that there will be a lot of people out there who are irresponsible, who will start making hay of this and spreading conspiracy theories, not saying, hey, this looks a bit weird, this should be addressed, but spreading actual conspiracy theories.

00:21:50.560 And we live in a real and hostile world in which there are people who wish the United States harm and wish our allies harm.

00:22:00.060 And you can't have this for too long, not knowing where the president of the United States is.

00:22:04.520 And I really don't say that to be mawkish.

00:22:08.660 The system under which we live vests power in one person.

00:22:14.900 It does not say, as many tried before Biden dropped out, that you elect as a citizen a team.

00:22:23.780 A team does not stand in front of the chief justice and take the oath of office.

00:22:28.740 A team does not sign legislation.

00:22:30.880 A team is not commander in chief.

00:22:32.600 You know, we hear so much about the importance of democracy, as we should.

00:22:39.320 Well, this is a fundamentally small d democratic question.

00:22:43.760 Is the person who was elected, that was Joe Biden, to execute the powers vested in the office able to do it?

00:22:53.520 And again, as somebody who is really a skeptic of pretty much every conspiracy theory, I'm with Jim.

00:23:00.160 I think the events of the last 24 hours have been extremely weird.

00:23:03.920 And it would be a real public service, even to put out a 20 second video on Twitter with eight jump cuts, if you need to, that just says, hi, look, I'm Joe Biden.

00:23:15.780 And I've decided not to run and I'm sick with COVID and I'll be back at my job tomorrow.

00:23:22.600 But they haven't done it.

00:23:23.600 Instead, they've cleared his schedule.

00:23:25.480 There's nothing on his schedule.

00:23:26.760 It says tomorrow, nothing.

00:23:27.780 And then it says to be continued.

00:23:30.020 The only person we've heard from is Kamala Harris.

00:23:32.700 The Democratic Party is speaking on his behalf.

00:23:37.420 And then Harris said something weird, too.

00:23:39.060 She said, well, the president wishes he could be here.

00:23:41.540 That's again, that's just sounds so off.

00:23:43.880 So, yeah, this is a problem.

00:23:48.900 The official explanation, at least in Politico, which clearly, you know, they say they had conversations with 22 people, granted anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, is that these two top aides, as I said in the intro, Donalyn and the other guy, went to see Biden.

00:24:05.300 And that they presented damning new information in a meeting that would hasten the end of Biden's political career.

00:24:13.780 These were updates on fundraising.

00:24:16.180 We know that it had almost stopped, but at least they slowed considerably.

00:24:21.160 And they carried the campaign's own polls, which came back this week and showed the path to victory in November was gone.

00:24:28.400 In particular, battleground polling, which others around the president reportedly believed these two guys were withholding from Biden up until this weekend.

00:24:39.960 I don't believe it, Jim.

00:24:42.000 I'm not sure.

00:24:43.140 That just doesn't sound right.

00:24:45.060 They were.

00:24:45.780 Yeah.

00:24:46.080 Joe Biden didn't know what the battleground polls were up until Saturday when he the two aides finally talked him into it.

00:24:53.740 You know, I know Pelosi was saying we can do this the nice way, but we can do this the rough way.

00:24:59.240 And, you know, this is kind of like a walk down the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

00:25:03.060 But here's what I actually think happened.

00:25:05.200 I think that he was threatened with something else.

00:25:10.140 They know something else about Joe Biden, Pelosi or somebody else.

00:25:13.680 And it's probably related to health.

00:25:15.280 And they were going to let him have it.

00:25:18.500 I mentioned this yesterday in our special right after the news broke, but it took me back to this scene in The Godfather when Frank Pentangeli was going to turn on Michael Corleone and he was ready to testify at the Senate hearing.

00:25:32.160 But then they dragged in his uncle from Italy and he knew it was going to happen to his family if he actually did. 0.97

00:25:37.720 And he did a 180.

00:25:39.240 Here's some of that.

00:25:40.000 Here and now, under oath, were you at any time a member of a crime organization headed by Michael Corleone?

00:25:48.960 I don't know nothing about that.

00:25:52.020 Oh.

00:25:54.740 I was in the olive oil business with his father, but that was a long time ago, that's all.

00:26:01.500 We have a sworn affidavit.

00:26:05.960 We have it.

00:26:07.500 Your sworn affidavit that you murdered on the orders of Michael Corleone.

00:26:12.280 Do you deny this confession?

00:26:14.200 And do you realize what will happen as a result of your denial?

00:26:17.100 Look, the FBI guys, they promised me a deal.

00:26:20.360 So I made up a lot of stuff about Michael Corleone because that's what they wanted.

00:26:26.320 But it was all lies.

00:26:28.680 Uh, everything.

00:26:31.500 So they threatened him and the mob, and he wound up giving them what they wanted, which was not to say the truth.

00:26:40.560 And I really think Nancy Pelosi pulled a Don Corleone on Joe Biden. 0.94

00:26:46.400 And the question I have today is, what did she have?

00:26:48.620 What was it?

00:26:49.460 What was the pain?

00:26:50.320 And I don't believe it was polls or public statements about the polls, which we were all seeing anyway.

00:26:57.020 Yeah, that's that is the first point, Megan, that like it's very hard to believe, oh,

00:27:00.840 the fundraising dried up.

00:27:01.920 The fundraising dried up right after the debate.

00:27:03.580 And that was like three going on four weeks ago.

00:27:06.460 That's that's very hard to believe that, you know, oh, we just realized the fundraising was bad.

00:27:11.140 The polling's been bad for three weeks.

00:27:12.840 And it's very hard to believe that their internals could be dramatically different from that.

00:27:17.820 By the way, let us point out that not just Joe Biden, but a whole bunch of left of center

00:27:21.920 commentators insisted that since the debate, there had not been any significant drop.

00:27:26.920 And oh, it's basically a tie.

00:27:29.040 It's essentially tied.

00:27:30.340 Oh, look at this one poll.

00:27:31.520 The five thirty eight model still has Biden ahead.

00:27:33.980 All this kind of stuff.

00:27:34.700 We can now determine that was all nonsense.

00:27:36.820 That was all spin.

00:27:37.960 That was all trying to gaslight you and say to keep Democratic morale up.

00:27:42.700 Democrats saw the same stage or saw the same debate everybody else did.

00:27:45.800 And I think everybody knew at the end of that debate that the odds of Joe Biden getting a

00:27:50.960 second term were, you know, infinitesimally small and that things were bad.

00:27:55.320 The question, you know, the issue about health.

00:27:58.440 Look, even during the basement campaign in 2020, people were saying, hey, we're not seeing

00:28:02.080 very much of Joe Biden.

00:28:03.120 But at least they had the excuse of, hey, he's in his late 70s.

00:28:05.720 We don't want him out shaking a lot of hands.

00:28:07.380 People are coughing and stuff like that.

00:28:09.560 But around Afghanistan, there were disasters withdrawal.

00:28:12.540 Joe Biden did not appear in public for five days, which was, again, a little weird.

00:28:17.500 When Biden did come out and make public appearances after the disasters withdrawal,

00:28:21.940 he would make a short statement, probably about 10 minutes reading from a teleprompter,

00:28:26.160 turn and take no questions.

00:28:28.200 And that was another thing which was unusual.

00:28:30.860 Then when he finally sat down for an interview with George Stephanopoulos,

00:28:33.640 we probably will remember this.

00:28:34.580 That was four or five days ago, man.

00:28:36.740 It was not a good interview that, you know, that Biden did not seem on top of it during a

00:28:41.100 national crisis.

00:28:41.680 And right around then, I wrote a piece that I got a lot of grief for.

00:28:44.620 It's titled, Something is Wrong with the President.

00:28:47.240 Now, I didn't pretend to have any clairvoyance or sense, but like the fact that he was not

00:28:52.560 out in front of cameras, answering questions, disappearing for long stretches, something's

00:28:57.900 wrong.

00:28:58.480 You know, and he's in his late 70s, 80s.

00:29:00.600 The other thing I want to observe out of this is that, look, Biden had a bad debate and everybody

00:29:04.460 kind of hoped and expected something better was going to happen.

00:29:07.480 He did the Stephanopoulos interview.

00:29:09.060 He did the Lester Holt interview.

00:29:10.180 He did the BET interview where he could not remember the name of Secretary of Defense,

00:29:14.740 Lloyd Austin.

00:29:15.180 Like, that's really bad.

00:29:18.340 And so most of these-

00:29:19.560 For the second time.

00:29:20.020 He had forgotten it once before.

00:29:21.520 Yeah.

00:29:21.940 We're between-

00:29:22.700 Most of these are taped between 10 and four, which are allegedly his good hours.

00:29:26.780 And by the way, when I hear that, I'm sitting there thinking, God, what's he like when he's

00:29:29.840 in the early morning?

00:29:30.620 Or what's he like at evening?

00:29:31.780 Like, what happens when the White House Situation Room needs to have a meeting at nine in the evening?

00:29:36.700 What's Biden like?

00:29:37.600 And so, Mike, if you're saying, you know, did Pelosi come and say, hey, we'll spill the beans

00:29:42.660 on your real health condition?

00:29:44.680 You know, maybe Biden has been a part-time president in a lot of ways for a long time.

00:29:50.340 Presumably, Pelosi is in the inner loop to know how little Biden can do the job as is.

00:29:56.040 Maybe that's what was going to come out.

00:29:57.160 I don't know.

00:29:57.640 There was something-

00:29:58.600 Something changed dramatically in the last 24 hours.

00:30:00.720 That sounds more plausible to me.

00:30:00.900 Yeah.

00:30:01.480 That's right.

00:30:01.960 And it wasn't the polls.

00:30:03.380 It wasn't the big reveal of the polls, which they've been keeping a secret from the sitting

00:30:06.840 president.

00:30:07.320 Go ahead, Charlie.

00:30:08.420 Well, I want to disagree a little bit with this premise.

00:30:11.360 I suppose I agree in part, disagree in part.

00:30:14.880 The events are odd, as we've all noted.

00:30:21.100 And I agree that there probably wasn't some rabbit-out-of-the-hat revelation here that led to

00:30:27.680 Biden saying, oh, OK.

00:30:29.980 But I think we should not underestimate Joe Biden's ability and willingness to believe

00:30:38.180 the nonsense that he is fed by partisans and sycophants, because it is that nonsense that

00:30:48.460 has led to him being a terrible president.

00:30:51.680 One of the things that I personally find distasteful to enraging is this fluffing that we're now

00:31:02.060 seeing across the political world of Biden's record.

00:31:05.200 Most consequential one-term president of all time, wonderful patriotic man.

00:31:12.200 First off, he had to be forced to step down.

00:31:15.500 This was not George Washington resigning his commission or declining to run for a third

00:31:20.340 term.

00:31:20.720 This was a man who pushed it until, and we don't know what his condition is now, he was

00:31:26.400 essentially on the floor.

00:31:28.460 This was not a proactive decision to protect democracy or whatever other fluff is being

00:31:34.000 solved.

00:31:34.860 Second, he's not a good president.

00:31:36.800 He's been a terrible president.

00:31:38.520 He is one of the worst presidents that I can think of, and the public knows it, which is

00:31:43.860 why his approval rating is where it is at the lowest ebb of any president in modern history.

00:31:49.620 Now, the reason I mention this is that despite all of that, Joe Biden, right from day one,

00:31:56.080 has allowed himself to be convinced of things that to most neutral observers are preposterous.

00:32:02.360 Right at the beginning, having come in on a marginal victory, 30,000 votes go the other

00:32:09.760 way in swing states and Trump's president again.

00:32:12.360 The Democrats did much worse in the House than they expected.

00:32:16.880 And he had a 50-50 Senate, which really should have been 51-49 Republican, but they, of course,

00:32:22.260 blew that election.

00:32:24.060 He was convinced by a bunch of left-leaning historians that he was Franklin Roosevelt, that

00:32:30.260 he was Lyndon Johnson.

00:32:31.320 And then he tried to do it.

00:32:32.700 He spent all year trying to spend $6 trillion.

00:32:36.620 That was the aim.

00:32:37.620 He ended up not being able to do that, although they did spend two or three, which led to inflation,

00:32:41.920 which led to people hating him with a burning passion.

00:32:45.440 If you look at some of the readouts, and in some cases, leaks of the calls that he's had

00:32:51.740 with governors and representatives and others within the Democratic firmament in recent

00:32:55.840 days, not his public pronouncements, what he has said to people in private, he seems

00:33:01.040 honestly, genuinely, earnestly, fervently to believe that he is an indispensable man,

00:33:07.120 that he put NATO back together, that no other president could have done any of the things

00:33:11.920 that he has done.

00:33:12.680 And I mention this just to say, although I agree with you that there probably wasn't some

00:33:17.120 slide deck that made him say, wow, okay, it's time to go.

00:33:20.160 So the climb that those who were trying to persuade him will have had to make must have

00:33:26.260 been considerable because he actually thinks it.

00:33:29.000 He's not aware that he's a stopgap bridge mediocrity and always has been.

00:33:33.880 He really thinks that he's a world historical figure.

00:33:36.840 And that has played into what's happened over the last month.

00:33:41.140 He and his wife both seem to think that.

00:33:45.600 And it is one of the questions still on the board, which is, did he make the decision?

00:33:50.680 Or did she make the decision?

00:33:52.040 Really, the only reason I say about Jill is because that signature is weird and you can

00:33:57.800 do a slashy and then you're, you know, the person's name, that's wouldn't be unusual.

00:34:02.780 I've seen it many times.

00:34:04.180 And I wonder if it was a sleight of hand where I can't imagine she would resign him from his

00:34:10.340 second term without his consent.

00:34:13.020 That seems great, like crazy talk.

00:34:14.800 But we've been lied to so much by this administration and this White House and in particular, those

00:34:20.640 two about his health.

00:34:22.120 Anything's possible.

00:34:22.900 I don't trust them.

00:34:24.260 And I know, you know, obviously, I'm not alone.

00:34:26.360 Millions of people do not trust them.

00:34:27.780 Republicans and Democrats alike have more than ample reason not to trust them.

00:34:32.540 OK, next up, I'm going to take a quick break, but I want to talk about.

00:34:36.380 Obviously, it's going to be Kamala, but I want to talk about the odds of the Democrats

00:34:40.820 sticking another knife in Joe Biden because it'll be easier for her to win if she's already 0.99

00:34:49.100 the sitting president.

00:34:50.460 Is the knifing done or is there more knifing to come?

00:34:53.720 And then we'll talk about Charlie and his absolute love for Kamala Harris and how he feels about

00:35:02.180 this elevation.

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00:36:03.220 Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles, right?

00:36:07.480 And then let's just see where they overlap.

00:36:09.280 You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this.

00:36:13.680 Remember those three circles, how they overlap?

00:36:15.600 I love Venn diagrams.

00:36:17.320 So I just do.

00:36:19.460 Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram, right?

00:36:23.040 And so, you know, the three circles, the television coverage of just yesterday, that's on top of

00:36:30.120 everything else that we know and don't know yet based on what we've just been able to see.

00:36:35.060 And because we've seen it or not doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but just limited to what

00:36:39.260 we have seen.

00:36:39.860 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:36:43.860 My guests today, Charles C.W. Cook and Jim Garrity.

00:36:47.620 And Charles C.W. Cook was on to Kamala Harris for, you know, early on.

00:36:52.560 This was a piece on National Review after she failed in her presidential bid.

00:36:58.220 Remember, she took on Joe Biden to actually get the presidency. 1.00

00:37:00.980 Never mind the vice presidency.

00:37:02.020 That came later.

00:37:03.020 And he concluded this piece on December 3rd, 2019, as follows.

00:37:06.320 Everything that is wrong with American politics is summed up in Kamala Harris.

00:37:11.940 She's a weathervane. 0.55

00:37:13.080 She's dishonest.

00:37:14.280 She's a coward.

00:37:15.200 She's condescending.

00:37:16.300 And she's a phony. 1.00

00:37:17.520 She is the answer to no useful or virtuous question.

00:37:20.800 She has nothing of value to offer America.

00:37:23.300 Goodbye.

00:37:24.160 Bad luck.

00:37:25.160 That's all, folks.

00:37:27.460 So you're saying there's a chance she's going to get your vote.

00:37:31.340 You know, that post, I think, is correct.

00:37:37.120 Unfortunately, it came in the context of my saying good riddance from American politics,

00:37:43.400 because at the time, she had flamed out spectacularly.

00:37:48.380 Not only had she failed to make headway and would end up winning no primaries,

00:37:54.380 but she was polling at 3% in California, which is her home state.

00:38:00.440 3%.

00:38:00.920 And so she disappeared.

00:38:03.500 And I thought, well, that's good.

00:38:04.820 We have now a great example of consequences for actions, but apparently not.

00:38:10.860 She was resuscitated by Joe Biden and put in the VP spot.

00:38:17.100 And so I am now in the unenviable position of watching an election between my two favorite

00:38:23.760 people in the world, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

00:38:28.800 I think this is my fault, Megan.

00:38:30.460 I moved to America in 2011.

00:38:32.760 And since then, I've done you guys no favors.

00:38:37.940 Maybe I have to leave.

00:38:39.700 But look, she is an awful, terrible person.

00:38:42.300 And it's not just that her instincts are authoritarian, although they are.

00:38:48.560 It's that she actually doesn't believe in anything.

00:38:51.580 If you look at last time she ran for president, she said on two separate occasions that she

00:38:58.100 wanted to completely abolish private health insurance.

00:39:01.500 On the first occasion, she agreed with the proposition by putting up her hand.

00:39:05.000 But the second time, she was asked about it on the stage directly.

00:39:08.200 And she said in this incredibly flippant way, yep, that's it.

00:39:12.600 We've got to move on.

00:39:13.360 It's got to go.

00:39:14.040 Done.

00:39:14.560 You know, 150 million people have private health insurance.

00:39:17.860 And she was just going to get rid of it.

00:39:19.680 Well, this was not too popular.

00:39:21.180 And she noticed.

00:39:22.440 And so she subsequently said, I misunderstood the question.

00:39:25.920 No, you didn't.

00:39:26.960 You didn't misunderstand the question.

00:39:28.980 That's what you thought you had to say at that point.

00:39:31.300 Because if you go back to the 2019 Democratic Party, support for single payer was a prerequisite

00:39:39.480 until Biden won.

00:39:41.880 And perversely enough, given the way he's governed, actually moved somewhat to the right.

00:39:46.760 She is a catastrophe. 0.91

00:39:49.380 And my only question is whether or not the press is going to be able to turn her into something 1.00

00:39:54.760 in a short space of time that will give her a good shot. 0.92

00:39:58.740 I keep hearing skeptical Democrats saying, look, we don't have enough time to introduce

00:40:07.220 her.

00:40:08.060 But I think the opposite is true.

00:40:09.360 I think the lack of time between now and the election is her greatest asset.

00:40:12.920 If you gave her instead of a runway of 106 days, if you gave her 300 days, I think she'd 0.97

00:40:17.300 be dead in the water.

00:40:18.800 So on that point, Jim, it's come to our attention.

00:40:22.960 Taylor Lorenz of The Washington Post wrote this up a couple of weeks ago, but it's all over

00:40:27.360 social media.

00:40:28.740 That these young lefties are trying to rebrand Kamala Harris's cringy moments as somehow

00:40:36.640 cool.

00:40:37.720 The language being used is likable oddball, funny, relatable moments online.

00:40:45.260 She's just goofy, quote, a wine aunt, which I've never heard. 0.88

00:40:49.860 She's like a wine aunt. 0.96

00:40:51.820 It's fun.

00:40:52.620 She's just a little goofy. 1.00

00:40:53.520 And look at this, Jim.

00:40:55.020 They actually put together a remix using this song called Brat, which I guess is pretty

00:41:01.920 popular.

00:41:02.260 A remix of Harris moments trying to make her seem just fun.

00:41:05.720 Just fun.

00:41:06.220 Watch a little bit of this.

00:41:07.000 You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

00:41:10.100 You exist in the context of all in which you live.

00:41:18.700 And what came before you.

00:41:20.100 I'm just living that life.

00:41:22.220 Fun Dutch cult classic.

00:41:24.000 But I still pop every time my track drops.

00:41:26.880 You're jealous.

00:41:27.380 I'm just living that life.

00:41:29.280 Everything is in context.

00:41:32.420 My mother used to, she would give us a hard time sometimes and she would say to us, I don't

00:41:37.380 know what's wrong with you young people. 0.91

00:41:39.260 You think you just fell out of a coconut tree?

00:41:41.520 You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

00:41:54.220 I love Venn diagrams.

00:41:57.980 I really do.

00:41:59.300 I love Venn diagrams.

00:42:03.260 Huh?

00:42:04.620 Okay, the album.

00:42:06.320 Brat. 0.89

00:42:06.840 Megan, if I were the Trump campaign, I would be running that in every swing state, in every

00:42:14.240 commercial break possible, just to say, yeah, yeah, Kamala Harris.

00:42:18.880 She always seems slightly inebriated as the slogan for 2024.

00:42:24.140 And maybe she is.

00:42:25.140 Maybe she is a fun person. 1.00

00:42:26.640 I don't know if that's necessarily the preeminent quality that Americans are looking for in a

00:42:32.180 commander in chief and president.

00:42:34.000 Willie Brown seemed to think so.

00:42:35.360 Yeah, I wasn't going to go there.

00:42:38.100 I'm going there.

00:42:39.680 I'm going there.

00:42:41.120 There's a debate on this on Twitter right now about whether her sleeping with Willie Brown 0.81

00:42:45.060 when she was an up and coming, inspiring politician in San Francisco is fair game. 0.87

00:42:49.880 It's fair game.

00:42:51.340 It's part of a pattern of her ascending to positions that she does not deserve based on 0.91

00:42:57.340 merit for other reasons.

00:42:59.400 First, she slept with this guy, Willie Brown, who was this extremely popular, powerful congressman

00:43:05.580 out in California in the assembly out there, went on to become the speaker out there.

00:43:10.440 Um, and he put her in two different positions that she did not deserve when she was only

00:43:16.620 29 or 30.

00:43:18.080 He was 60 already.

00:43:20.180 That affair is sus.

00:43:21.180 And she was making the equivalent of 130 grand a year by today's money for meeting twice a month

00:43:28.700 for these medical boards and another position for which she had zero qualifications.

00:43:33.340 That's he was trying to lay the road for her political career. 0.68

00:43:36.640 He admitted that he's the one who helped her win the role as D.A.

00:43:40.520 And she was sleeping with him.

00:43:42.780 I'm sorry.

00:43:43.420 It's fair game.

00:43:44.360 Sorry, Jim.

00:43:44.880 Go ahead.

00:43:45.560 No, Megan, let's just agree to say that she climbed the greasy pole of California politics. 1.00

00:43:50.480 Um, but so, yeah, by the way, I think you look at the story of Kamala Harris and you

00:43:57.400 look at someone who from the beginning of her career as an assistant D.A. to becoming a really 0.75

00:44:02.740 to the moment she runs for president, it was one success after another.

00:44:06.540 This was somebody who knew how to appeal to a Democratic primary electorate in a place

00:44:11.540 like San Francisco and then to appeal to a Democratic electorate as a whole, which is

00:44:16.040 a whole bunch of liberal progressive Democrats, right?

00:44:18.220 It is based surviving and rising to the top in California politics, besides any extracurricular

00:44:24.320 activities, is appealing to all the liberal interest groups.

00:44:27.620 You've got to take care of the unions.

00:44:28.700 You've got to take care of Hollywood.

00:44:29.840 You've got to take care of Silicon Valley.

00:44:31.200 You've got to take care of the environmentalists.

00:44:32.760 But if you it's like the stations of the cross.

00:44:34.140 But if you take care of everybody, then you you get the nomination and you cruise to victory

00:44:38.960 in the general election.

00:44:40.360 That does not prepare you to win the Iowa caucuses.

00:44:44.000 That does not prepare you to win New Hampshire or South Carolina or any of these other states

00:44:48.980 that are just politically and culturally dramatically different to that.

00:44:52.680 And I kind of feel like even in that first debate, which, you know, calls Joe Biden racist,

00:44:58.100 things are going well for her right up until the moment.

00:45:00.340 Tulsi Gabbard guts her like a fish by pointing out the contradictions in her prosecution record 1.00

00:45:05.720 and points out you laughed on a radio interview about, you know, smoking marijuana,

00:45:09.400 but you prosecuted this many thousand people for marijuana possession back when you were a prosecutor.

00:45:14.260 And it just goes through all the contradiction.

00:45:16.320 And, you know, and I think Kamala Harris never came back from that.

00:45:19.280 And I think everything from the nervous laugh to the perception that she always feels like

00:45:23.280 she's giving a book report on a book she didn't read, you know, the phrases she keeps going,

00:45:27.100 the haiku Hallmark card stuff. I think it's all nervousness.

00:45:30.480 I think she stepped up and minds in that 2020 campaign.

00:45:34.040 It all came crashing down. And I'm going to quote Charlie back to Charlie,

00:45:37.660 which I think is the ultimate compliment you can give somebody where he points out that like

00:45:41.120 Joe Biden only became president because Barack Obama picked him off the scrap heap of politics

00:45:47.040 in the summer of 2008. And let's face it, most of us saw him as assassination insurance.

00:45:51.340 Right. The idea. But well, you know, nobody's going to take a shot at Obama if Biden's going to be

00:45:55.080 a heartbeat away. And then Kamala Harris, as you point out, crashed and burned in that 2020

00:45:59.820 presidential campaign. And then because Joe Biden had promised he was going to pick an African

00:46:03.820 American and promised he was going to pick a woman, there weren't that many options. And he

00:46:08.140 picked her, which I think, you know, we can all kind of agree, did not work. And the fact that he

00:46:13.840 chose to run for a second term was an ipso facto declaration that he didn't think she could beat

00:46:19.920 Donald Trump one on one in the general election. And yet here we are.

00:46:24.920 There's a there's a very interesting Axios piece out that says Biden doubted Harris's election

00:46:31.740 chances that he hesitated to drop his reelection campaign in part because he and his senior

00:46:36.880 advisers worried about her. They did not think she was up to the task of taking on Trump,

00:46:41.720 according to three Biden aides familiar with recent talks. According to the 2020 campaign,

00:46:46.200 his aides recall watching Harris interrogate her then chief of staff, Kareem Jean-Pierre,

00:46:51.920 to the point that it made others uncomfortable. I'll defend Kamala Harris on that. That's that's

00:46:56.760 that's easy to do. I mean, you ask her anything, anything.

00:46:59.900 You watch any White House briefing. And yeah, that looks like more of the same. That's

00:47:04.300 yeah. I mean, you she thinks the Nobel Prize is the Nobel Prize. She said it repeatedly,

00:47:10.700 the Nobel. It's not the Nobel Prize. So, yeah, that would grow uncomfortable quickly.

00:47:16.920 They said she wasn't a team player. She straight. She stayed away from any task with risk. And then

00:47:23.160 there's this nugget in April 2022. Harris was the guest for a dinner at D.C. News mogul David Bradley's

00:47:30.700 home, a salon style event. Bradley hosts with Washington journalists and newsmakers.

00:47:35.200 Harris's anxiety about the dinner was such that her staff held a mock dinner beforehand,

00:47:39.080 a mock dinner beforehand, with staffers playing participants, according to two people familiar

00:47:45.520 with the event. Harris aides even considered including wine in the mock prep so Harris could

00:47:50.900 practice with a glass or two. They ultimately decided against it. I I'm horrified by this story.

00:47:59.380 They did hold the mock dinner. They just didn't have the wine. Jim, this is exactly what you're

00:48:05.360 talking about, that she's awkward. She's uncomfortable. She's socially not adept.

00:48:13.240 And we can see all that. Yeah. And so the first time I ever saw Kamala Harris was in 2012 at the

00:48:21.200 Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. She was one of the early speakers on one of the early

00:48:25.680 nights. She was not the star. It was kind of a but she was a California attorney general then. 0.88

00:48:29.840 And she was, you know, kind of seen as a rising star. And I remember it was only like five to 10

00:48:34.280 minutes worth of remarks. But I remember watching saying, oh, you know, dang it. Here comes the next

00:48:38.080 great Democrat. Here comes the female Obama, relatively young, relatively charismatic, relatively 1.00

00:48:44.200 attractive. And she's from California. She's got a she's going to be the next, you know, this is going to be 1.00

00:48:49.060 really tough. I clearly she had like five to 10 minutes worth of material. And then it's interesting

00:48:54.260 to see somebody who was once so self-assured. Now sex seems to second guess herself and be very

00:49:00.740 nervous in these things, terrified of saying the wrong thing and then often ending up saying the

00:49:05.500 wrong thing like, oh, we I've been to the border when she had not. Yeah. And I've never been to Europe.

00:49:11.700 Yeah. I do want to talk about Charlie's reasons for disliking her, because not only was there the thing

00:49:17.660 about moving us all off of private insurance, just with her magic wand, she wants to take away your 1.00

00:49:22.400 health insurance and make you go on the government dole. But she also wants to take away guns. She's 1.00

00:49:28.160 made that very clear. She was a co-sponsor of the Green New Deal. She believed Jussie Smollett.

00:49:35.520 She called Jacob Blake, who pulled a knife on cops, a hero, something along those lines and more. So we're

00:49:42.460 going to pick it up there. And whether notwithstanding all that, they're going to try to knife Biden again

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00:50:46.900 United States. And we have states. And they're united. Because think about it. States should be united.

00:51:01.980 And all the states now, well, they have a president to preside over them. Oh, that's good.

00:51:11.340 I have to say. Well done by Estee Palti, who is my new favorite Twitter follow with her spot on Kamala

00:51:24.020 Harris imitations. Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show. My guests are National Review's Charles C.W.

00:51:29.340 Cook and Jim Garrity. I mean, on the bright side, Kamala Harris has the very real shot of making the 0.69

00:51:35.400 Saturday night shows funny again. The late night shows funny again. If only they will take the gift

00:51:41.800 that is her content and use it. What's less funny, Charlie, are the reasons that led you to loathe her.

00:51:51.160 Graebian put together a list as sort of a butted soundbite of some of her more controversial stances,

00:51:57.620 some of which you outlined a moment ago. We're going to play just part of it. But here's a bit.

00:52:02.260 It's not 11. So I decided I was going to start prosecuting parents for truancy.

00:52:08.940 What else do we know about this population 18 through 24? They are stupid. They make really bad 1.00

00:52:15.540 decisions. Do you believe that Americans should have the right to vote at age 16? I'm really 0.91

00:52:20.960 interested in having that conversation. Convicted in prison like the Boston Marathon bomber on death

00:52:25.940 row. People who are convicted of sexual assault, they should be able to vote. I think we should have

00:52:30.360 that conversation. She thinks we should do away with the electoral college. Do you agree with

00:52:35.320 that? I think that I'm open to the discussion. I am prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass

00:52:42.560 a Green New Deal. But would you support changing the dietary guidelines? Yes. You know, the food

00:52:47.200 pyramid. Yes. Yes. To reduce red meat specifically. Yes, I would. So would you ban offshore drilling?

00:52:52.680 Yes. Do you ban plastic straws? I think we should. Assault weapons that are already in circulation.

00:52:58.420 What do you do about those? We have to have a buyback program. And I support a mandatory

00:53:02.300 buyback program. Mandatory. Charles, take it from there.

00:53:07.980 Well, I think there's three things. I divide those into three groups. The first one is,

00:53:14.700 as I said earlier, that she doesn't believe in anything at root. And so that was her stock phrase

00:53:21.460 was, I think we should have that conversation. There was almost nothing you could say to her at a

00:53:24.920 certain point in 2019 that wouldn't lead her to say we should have that conversation. You could say

00:53:28.920 to her, do you think that we should nuke California where you live? And she would say, I think we should

00:53:34.380 have that conversation. So she's a coward. That's the first part. The second thing is that she's 0.98

00:53:40.400 flippant. Every affirmative answer she gave there was flippant. The health insurance answer I mentioned

00:53:50.400 was not within that. But she was flippant when she said it. Yeah, move on. Do it. 150 million people

00:53:56.120 off there. Restructure a sixth of the economy. And your answer is, sure, why not? Let's do it.

00:54:00.860 You know, as if you've decided to leave the pizza place that you're at and go somewhere else because

00:54:04.600 the line's too long. And then there's the side that I worry about more than any other, which is that

00:54:10.680 despite not believing in anything, perhaps because she doesn't believe in anything,

00:54:14.400 she's an authoritarian. She said we should have a mandatory buyback program for assault weapons. Well, 0.95

00:54:21.600 let's decode both of those euphemisms. Assault weapon is a standard modern sporting rifle. There's

00:54:29.780 25 million of them in circulation, the most popular rifle in the country. They're more popular than the

00:54:35.100 Ford F-150. That's assault weapon. Mandatory buyback. Well, buyback what? Buying it back from me? The

00:54:45.000 government didn't own it. What that means is confiscation with some remuneration. Right. So

00:54:51.280 they're going to come to my house and I have 13 guns and they're going to make me give over for them

00:54:56.360 and they will give me some money for it. But I don't want to do that. And they're going to do that

00:55:00.280 with 25 million guns, probably more. That is not the sort of answer where you go, yeah, sure. Nor is

00:55:07.280 plastic straws, although it's less important. Another thing missing from that, but related in this third

00:55:12.760 category, was the famous exchange that she had with Joe Biden in 2019 on the debate stage, where he said

00:55:20.640 he wanted to ban so-called assault weapons. And he said it had to go through Congress. And she said, no, I

00:55:27.080 would just do it by executive order. And look, you know, when he said, well, you can't do that,

00:55:32.580 we have a constitution. I think it's a direct quote. I think he literally said we have a constitution.

00:55:36.780 He seems to have forgotten about that since. She said, you know, we need a bigger imagination.

00:55:43.720 We need to, you need to, as she might put it, be unburdened by what has gone before. That is a

00:55:49.820 horrible, horrible, horrible thing for somebody who wants to take an oath to the constitution and be the

00:55:56.020 chief executive of the federal government to say, and look, I am, and I have been on this show,

00:56:01.620 certainly have been at National Review, an outspoken critic of when Donald Trump has talked

00:56:06.360 like that. And I have said that it doesn't matter whether he actually achieves it or not. I don't

00:56:11.420 want people who are seeking the office held by George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and Ronald

00:56:17.220 Reagan to talk like that. Well, I'm afraid the same goes for Kamala Harris. Time and time and time 0.89

00:56:23.160 again, she has talked about the presidency as if it were a dictatorship, as if it has all of this

00:56:30.080 secret power that other people just can't be bothered to use. She did it with gun control 0.99

00:56:34.440 more recently, where she said that if Congress won't act in her first hundred days, she will. 0.98

00:56:40.760 No, you won't. That's not how Congress works. There's not this free floating power out there that if

00:56:47.160 Congress doesn't take, you know, like a squatter can come in and it can sit on it and say, it's mine

00:56:52.220 now. No, the answer is no. And she does this a lot. So she's a horrible, horrible, you've got me 0.95

00:56:57.920 going now. She's a horrible combination of nihilistic, flippant and authoritarian. She is 1.00

00:57:04.740 basically the nightmare candidate for me. There's five years of hating her now and I have not slowed down

00:57:11.780 one bit. She just keeps giving you new reasons so that none of that is to completely rule her out,

00:57:19.660 Jim. I mean, I understand that even the Democrats aren't in love with Kamala Harris. She has a 38% 1.00

00:57:25.100 approval rating, but the Democrat machine is formidable. They love abortion and she's been 0.65

00:57:31.540 the most outspoken member of the administration on abortion rights, abortion rights. You know,

00:57:36.600 that's the reason she flew down when those Tennessee lawmakers were throwing a fit to put herself 1.00

00:57:41.100 right in the square in the center of that. The first sitting vice president to visit Planned

00:57:44.360 Parenthood. That's been a very good issue for Democrats the past couple of election cycles, 0.97

00:57:48.940 though. It's not like the voters don't understand Joe Biden's more pro-choice than the Republican

00:57:53.980 party is. And they were still getting ready to vote him out from the look of the polls. In any event,

00:58:00.560 hate to rule her out right now, because as we've just discussed, a short runway for her may be better. 1.00

00:58:05.080 And they're so relieved and feeling somewhat excited now for the first time in months. So

00:58:11.840 how does, how would you see this next couple of months playing out?

00:58:17.560 It's been a really rough episode of the Megyn Kelly show for Kamala Harris. So I just want to

00:58:22.720 take one moment to say, indeed, some young people are stupid and some of them do make bad decisions,

00:58:29.640 as she said in that montage. So I'll give you a little credit for that one, Madam Vice President. 0.96

00:58:33.620 I think it's going to take like two weeks before I feel like the polling will be a good measure,

00:58:40.940 because I think the American electorate needs time to digest this. We just saw that short speech

00:58:46.080 from her today. At some point, I hope we're going to hear from the president. And then at some point,

00:58:50.320 we're going to hear from Vice President Harris making an address to the country and kind of saying,

00:58:56.500 hi, I'm your new Democratic nominee. But let's point out that like, if Democrats really wanted to,

00:59:02.800 they could find some way, they could leave a horse's head in her bed or something like that,

00:59:06.980 since we're using godfather metaphors, and have Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro,

00:59:12.380 governor of Michigan, governor of Pennsylvania. And then you've probably locked up two of the three

00:59:16.740 blue wall states, and you probably would feel pretty good about your odds in that scenario.

00:59:20.260 But Democrats don't want to go with that. They want to stick with Kamala Harris. 0.96

00:59:22.920 I think she gives them a better chance than they would have had, the Democrats would have had with

00:59:27.640 Joe Biden, which is not to say she is a great candidate. She brings her own flaws, which we've

00:59:33.000 talked about copiously. But you know what she can do? She can campaign. She can work weekends. She 1.00

00:59:39.520 doesn't have to spend every weekend at the, she can do morning events. She can do late events. She could 1.00

00:59:43.940 do, you know, she can speak off a teleprompter. She's going to have some bad moments. She's going to have 1.00

00:59:47.880 some, you know, haiku moments. But she can do basic campaigning that the typical, that the Joe 0.94

00:59:54.820 Biden was proving he just could not do anymore. But let me ask you this, Garrity. Let me ask you

00:59:58.040 this. What are the odds of the Democrats understanding what we understand, which is,

01:00:04.440 yeah, she can do those things, but she's weak. She is weak. She is not a strong candidate going into 1.00

01:00:09.080 this, but she'd be stronger if she were the sitting president. And so knife in the back took out Joe 1.00

01:00:15.420 Biden, maybe knife in the front removes him from the presidency. And maybe, maybe they tested for

01:00:22.220 more than just COVID when he went last week. And now we've come to the realization that he's got to

01:00:30.560 step down because of X, Y, whatever the diagnosis is, because that whatever blackmail material there

01:00:36.920 was to make him step down from second term could still be used. I mean, this is not a nice group of

01:00:42.760 people. We've seen that. And they have absolutely no loyalty to Joe Biden. That we have to give him,

01:00:48.240 right? He's been reportedly very angry at Schumer, Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, all these people behind

01:00:53.460 closed doors who completely knifed him just as soon as they could. No loyalty. So what's to stop them

01:00:58.640 from doing it again? Because wouldn't she do better if she were the sitting president in this race?

01:01:02.560 Yeah. First of all, Megan, can we point out the weirdness of being in the position of thinking

01:01:07.180 that Kamala Harris is terrible, that I don't want to see her elected, and also simultaneously believing

01:01:13.260 she should be taking the oath of office this afternoon?

01:01:15.700 Same, Jim, same thing.

01:01:17.020 Right? You know, like, she's terrible. But on the other hand, she is, she seems to be mentally all there,

01:01:22.300 close enough. And Biden isn't. We don't see Biden, right? So like, by that standard,

01:01:26.920 she should be the commander in chief right now. And it's conceivable that people around,

01:01:32.040 yeah, people around Biden would, will draw that same conclusion. But I think being president for

01:01:38.640 six months would be an advantage. It would, you know, say, this is what I can do. Look,

01:01:44.320 entirely separate from Joe Biden being old and crotchety and possibly senile, Biden has a bad

01:01:49.740 record. And it's kind of tough for Kamala Harris to completely separate herself from that. But she can,

01:01:55.760 at some point say, you know, I love Joe, but I'm going to do things a little bit differently than

01:01:59.960 him. And I'm going to do X, Y, and Z instead of A, B, and C. It's not a great, and again,

01:02:04.540 if you're starting out with Whitmer and Shapiro or any other two Democrats, you have a better chance

01:02:08.320 of saying, we're the candidates of change. We're not the status quo. But like, she could at least

01:02:13.900 pull it off. And if she becomes president, she can immediately take some actions, i.e. we're going to 0.95

01:02:19.080 restart building border wall stuff. Like, these are not what she would want to do. But these are

01:02:23.280 things she could do to say, hey, President Kamala Harris is not going to be like the President Joe 0.81

01:02:28.840 Biden you didn't like. And maybe things will be changing. None of these are great options for the

01:02:33.940 Democrats, but I think they're better than what they had up, you know, 48 hours ago. And, you know,

01:02:39.080 again, she's younger. She should help with women. She should help with minorities. I would see states

01:02:45.220 like Virginia, New Mexico, New Hampshire, places like that. Not minority men. 1.00

01:02:48.600 No, no, she's going to repel a certain chunk of voters as well. But I think that, you know,

01:02:57.020 again, she seems loopy, not senile. Believe it or not, that's an improvement.

01:03:02.640 Yeah, that's that's all true. I just I can't help feeling especially especially given this election

01:03:08.160 cycle, you guys like what's happened in the past three weeks. May I remind you the debate was less

01:03:13.220 than a month ago. We had this disastrous debate. We saw the president's loss of his mental faculties

01:03:19.260 before our very eyes. We had a presidential assassination attempt and they actually did

01:03:23.840 shoot President Trump. Then we saw this. The sitting president stepped down maybe through Twitter.

01:03:33.140 So, I mean, somebody on Twitter yesterday posted in order for there to be a true October surprise

01:03:38.600 this year. It would have to be actual space aliens coming down. Like how much more could they raise

01:03:44.760 the stakes? Like the amount of news that's coming at us. So my point is, don't rule anything out that

01:03:50.500 we could be in for yet another wallop where Joe Biden steps down from the presidency. They elevate her 1.00

01:03:56.240 before you guys go. I have to ask you about the Secret Service hearing that's taking place on Capitol

01:04:02.760 Hill right now. It's pretty extraordinary, pretty dramatic what's happening. So the head of the Secret

01:04:07.700 Service, Kim Cheadle, is before the House and she is, man, on the hot seat. This is very rare,

01:04:17.220 but both parties are pummeling her. Republicans and Democrats are both outraged over this attempted

01:04:23.560 assassination. It was obviously a dereliction and she's provided so few answers. She's been

01:04:29.640 irritatingly closed-lipped about the whole thing. So that continued today. She wouldn't say

01:04:37.200 definitively if the gunman acted alone. She wouldn't say if he placed the gun on the roof

01:04:42.580 before firing, because that's one of the questions. How did the gun get up there?

01:04:45.980 She wouldn't reveal why the former president had been allowed on the stage, given the number of times

01:04:50.920 that the gunman had been spotted over and over and over and even deemed suspicious. That's one of

01:04:55.740 the questions everybody's asking. Why would you allow President Trump to go out there when you knew

01:04:58.720 there was a threat you hadn't yet contained? OK, but she did reveal no one's been fired. That's par for

01:05:04.960 the course for this administration. No one's been disciplined. Why hasn't she resigned? And when she

01:05:11.460 was asked, when when will we get answers on all these important questions? They're out there right

01:05:15.840 now campaigning. Is the system broken? What's been changed? Who's been fired? She says, oh, maybe we'll get

01:05:21.160 some answers in 60 days. So this is kind of crazy. Both the Dems and the Republicans doing an admirable

01:05:27.540 job, admirable job of getting after her. And it culminated in this moment where Congresswoman Nancy 0.98

01:05:33.400 Mace of South Carolina finally lost it. Watch. Was this a colossal failure? It was a failure. Yes or no.

01:05:43.340 Was it a colossal failure is the question. Yes or no. I have admitted this is a tear. This is a yes

01:05:48.660 or no series of questions. Was this a colossal failure? Yes or no. Yes. Would you say the fact

01:05:55.620 that we had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today as being transparent? Yes or no.

01:06:02.400 I have always been. Yes or no. You didn't want to answer the question. We had to issue a subpoena to

01:06:06.600 get you to show up today. OK, would you say leaking your opening statement to Punchbowl News,

01:06:12.660 Politico's playbook and Washington Post several hours before you sent it to this

01:06:18.400 committee as being political? Yes or no. I have no idea how my statement got out.

01:06:25.140 Well, that's bullshit. Has the Secret Service provided this committee a complete list of all

01:06:31.760 law enforcement personnel that were there that day? Have you done that? Have you provided a list

01:06:35.620 to the oversight committee? Yes or no. I'll have to get back to you on that.

01:06:38.960 That is a no. You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest.

01:06:45.300 Well, she put it out there, Charles. Checking the language, which we don't normally hear in

01:06:52.420 congressional hearings. I share the sentiment. I also don't believe that it wasn't leaked.

01:06:57.520 And it is incredibly frustrating to hear, you know, be a week plus out with so few answers and zero

01:07:05.360 resignations. Yeah. And those, of course, are two separate questions. The details of what happened

01:07:12.120 here matter enormously and the lack of specifics is infuriating. But the lack of those specifics,

01:07:19.640 in my view, is completely separate from the fact that she should have resigned. And if she didn't

01:07:27.600 resign, she should have been fired. This is the part I find incomprehensible. First off, she should 0.94

01:07:33.940 have resigned. I don't understand how you don't resign. And in the 1980s, when the Argentinian military

01:07:40.340 invaded the Falkland Islands, the British Secretary of Defense resigned. It wasn't his fault. He wasn't as

01:07:45.700 if he'd missed any intelligence. He just resigned because it was his job to stop that happening. And

01:07:51.220 he hadn't done it. But if he hadn't have resigned, Margaret Thatcher would have fired him. What is Joe

01:07:57.500 Biden doing? Even from a completely personally, politically motivated sense? Shouldn't he fire him?

01:08:07.500 Is there anyone in America who would say, oh, my goodness, now Joe Biden has fired the director of the

01:08:13.560 Secret Service who failed to protect Donald Trump? I'm not going to vote for the Democrat. It seems

01:08:18.740 to me an easy win. And it hasn't happened. So there's two problems here. One is there should

01:08:23.020 have been these reflexive resignations. And two is we're not getting information that is really

01:08:27.500 important. It's really scary, Jim, because the Secret Service, we now find out, has been misleading

01:08:33.140 us. You know, we saw over the weekend that, forgive me, Susan Crabtree of Real Clear Politics,

01:08:40.240 their White House reporter, was reporting. So was Dan Bongino, former Secret Service guy himself,

01:08:44.880 that Trump's security team had been denied repeatedly resources from the Secret Service.

01:08:50.460 And they, on the record, chastised Susan in particular and said, absolutely false and said

01:08:57.440 to Dan Bongino, absolutely false. Mayorkas doubled down saying that's absolutely false.

01:09:03.280 And now we know it was true. Dan was right. Susan was right. The Secret Service was misleading us.

01:09:12.280 They were incorrect at best. That's their new spin. New facts came to light. Well, if you didn't know

01:09:18.600 fully what had been asked for and denied, you shouldn't have been calling others liars. But they

01:09:23.800 did. And so we do know that the Trump team had been begging for additional resources time and time

01:09:28.480 again, it had been denied, not for this particular event, but in the past. So we don't trust them,

01:09:33.580 Jim Garrity.

01:09:35.120 So, Megan, before I go any further, can I, you know, you've been kind enough to mention

01:09:38.860 my novel. If I wrote a novel in which the dishonest head of the Secret Service was named

01:09:45.320 Cheadle, I think some readers would say, Jim, isn't that a little on the nose? Yeah, that, that,

01:09:50.280 you know, come on, that's a little ridiculous there. Also that the assassin was named Crooks.

01:09:54.260 Uh, that's another, you know, just a little, you know, um, so imagine how shocked all of us would

01:10:02.760 be if in the days after the assassination, when it was so clear, just what a colossal failure. I

01:10:08.020 don't think Nancy Mace is out of line for saying what's just a failure, uh, just layer upon layer

01:10:13.620 upon layer of failure. Um, and only by the grace of God and one inch did we, you know, not lose Donald

01:10:18.680 Trump that day. Um, that, that, that if she had chosen to resign, how pleasantly surprised would

01:10:25.220 all of us be? How shocked would we, we didn't see people resigning in the VA scandal. We didn't see

01:10:29.440 people resigning in healthcare.gov. We have a long string of Afghanistan, uh, Trump during the debate

01:10:35.860 went on this long rant and, you know, justified about Biden never fires anybody. Well, you know,

01:10:40.920 in the next debate with Kamala Harris, apparently he'll be able to say, I got shot and they didn't fire

01:10:46.820 anybody, you know, like that, that's seen. And then secondly, again, we're not, we're never

01:10:51.140 going to think all that highly of Joe Biden, but let's assume he was more of sound mind and body

01:10:56.040 and said to Cheadle, you know, uh, I'm sorry, I don't, I can't find this acceptable. I'd like

01:11:01.480 your resignation or you're fired. Like how pleasantly shot nobody ever gets held accountable

01:11:06.640 anymore. And I think I don't, you know, Biden said, this is unacceptable. We're gonna have a full

01:11:11.420 investigation. And then you just kind of wait for everybody to forget about it. This is, um,

01:11:15.640 a really unfortunate habit in our, uh, our government. It's why there is so little trust

01:11:20.420 and, uh, you know, it is kind of egregious that, that Cheadle is not gone. Mayorkas should have 0.52

01:11:26.020 been gone a long time ago for the border, but this is like a double failure on his watch.

01:11:31.100 It's going from bad to worse, but we'll play some more in our next segment. Uh, when our pal Dave

01:11:35.380 Rubin joins us, Charlie, Jim, great to see you both. Thanks so much for being here.

01:11:39.680 Thanks for having us. Okay. And up next, we'll get to some of the other questions that she's

01:11:47.540 dodging on. Wait until you hear her latest on the sloped roof and why it was allegedly not

01:11:53.560 appropriate for an agent. That's when Dave joins us next. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the Megan Kelly

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01:13:00.160 Joining me now, my friend, Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin report. Dave, great to see you.

01:13:05.600 I'm going to pick it up with you where I left off with our last guests, and that is this secret

01:13:09.220 service. We'll get to Biden and your thoughts on that in a minute, but the secret service hearing

01:13:12.360 that's happening right now on Capitol Hill, um, James Comer giving secret service director,

01:13:17.240 Kim Cheadle, a hard time on whether they placed a secret service agent on the roof, why they didn't

01:13:25.640 adequately prepare for a possible shooter on the roof in question. Watch this. One of the things

01:13:31.000 that you said, I believe in an interview that there wasn't an agent on the roof because it was a slope

01:13:36.760 roof. Is that, is that normal? And do you fear that that immediately creates an opportunity for

01:13:43.720 future would be assassins to look for a slanted roof? I mean, it is, this is a huge question that

01:13:50.380 every American has. Why wasn't a secret service agent on the roof? And there have been reports that

01:13:55.200 agents were supposed to be on the roof, but it was hot that day and they didn't want to be on

01:13:59.500 the roof. Can you answer any of those questions director? So I appreciate you asking me that

01:14:03.940 question, chairman. Uh, I should have been more clear in my answer when I spoke about where we

01:14:08.660 place personnel in that interview. Uh, what I can tell you is that, uh, there was a plan in place to

01:14:14.540 provide overwatch and we are still looking into responsibilities and who was going to provide

01:14:19.920 overwatch when we are providing overwatch, whether that be through counter snipers or other

01:14:24.840 technology prefer to have sterile rooftops. Now they need to be sterile, not, not just non-sloped,

01:14:34.340 but it's ridiculous, Dave, that here we are. Well, I guess it's eight days after the fact,

01:14:39.940 nine days after the fact, and she still can't answer exactly who made the call to put it outside

01:14:47.980 the security perimeter and who made the call not to station an actual secret service agent there.

01:14:53.420 And who made the call once that was decided, decided not to have eyes on the local law enforcement

01:15:00.700 to make sure they had the roof covered, not from inside the building.

01:15:05.780 Megan, I got to tell you, I am highly caffeinated today. And in light of the events of the last

01:15:10.660 eight days, I am going to pull no punches on the Megan Kelly show today. Uh, she has to step down 1.00

01:15:16.260 right now. If she had any honor, she would be stepping down in the middle of this hearing.

01:15:21.020 I don't know what she just said right there, but it's completely irrelevant. This rooftop that

01:15:26.180 we're talking about was not an A-frame rooftop, like on a barn where you actually might need some

01:15:31.560 ropes and things to stay up there. Anyone could stand on this rooftop. There's the meme going around

01:15:36.560 of a cow on a slightly, uh, a slightly inclined rooftop right now. This is complete absurdity.

01:15:42.600 We look, we don't know the level that DEI fully played in this in terms of whether she actually got

01:15:48.360 the job because of DEI or the agents that were there with Trump or whether people have been

01:15:52.900 trained properly completely outside of, of DEI and everything else. But this is a cataclysmic

01:15:58.300 failure. And the problem that we are having across society at almost every level right now

01:16:04.040 is that no one takes responsibility for anything, no matter what happens, whether it's COVID related,

01:16:10.640 whether it's an assassination attempt related or anything else, no one says, you know what,

01:16:14.980 that was my responsibility. And I have to step down. Uh, she, she is an absolute utter embarrassment. 1.00

01:16:22.180 That was complete word salad right there. I don't care about overwatch or anything else. We've all

01:16:26.960 seen the image. I know you put it up on your show, uh, where you can just so cleanly lay out

01:16:31.780 the, the visual that the shooter had on Trump, the sniper on the, on the shooter and everything else.

01:16:37.920 This should have absolutely never happened. And I have to say, God bless Donald Trump for even being

01:16:43.040 out there at the Republican convention, knowing that it largely seems that not only is the system

01:16:48.040 rigged against him, but who the hell knows what's going on with security right now.

01:16:51.800 It's amazing. Cause right now over the weekend, we got reaction from, uh, Mayorkas chief of DHS

01:16:56.980 and Cheadle head of circuit service. They're outraged at the DEI questions that have been asked

01:17:02.440 in the wake of the Trump. No one gives a shit. We don't care. Yep. Take your feelings and stuff

01:17:06.920 enough. A man is dead enough. President Trump was shot and nearly lost his life. And two others

01:17:12.200 were shot too. We couldn't care less about your faux outrage over the questions we're asking about

01:17:19.980 whether you tried to DEI the secret service right into an unsafe position. Megan, the truth of the

01:17:30.220 matter is that outside of DEI, it is fairly obvious that over the last say two, three decades,

01:17:35.640 the United States government is no longer getting the best of the best to work for it. Whether that's

01:17:40.580 the literal office of the presidency or in the, uh, administration or basically across the

01:17:46.220 institutions. But then when you add a dash of DEI to it, you are going to degrade all of the

01:17:53.120 institutions further. So if there was even 1% chance that the people in charge of protecting the

01:18:00.320 president, be they the snipers or the secret service agents who are quite literally two feet in front of

01:18:04.760 him during all of this or anything else, if there's a 1%. Yeah. If there's a, or the secret

01:18:09.540 service director herself, if there's a 1% chance that that person is not the best of the best,

01:18:14.500 because instead of focusing on what the job is, what the resume should look like for, to have a

01:18:20.080 position like that versus, Oh, they are of this gender or this sexuality, then the whole thing's got 0.97

01:18:27.360 to go. And Megan, you know, our friend, Peter Boghossian often points out that once wokeness

01:18:31.680 enters any institution by default, it destroys that institution because whether you're selling

01:18:37.800 widgets or your job is to protect the president of the United States, once you deviate from what

01:18:43.260 that intention is, what is the purpose of your company or your institution? Once you deviate and

01:18:48.860 start looking at gender or skin color or anything else, as opposed to the meritocracy that this country

01:18:54.760 should all be about, you will destroy the product. So seeing Cheadle up there with this word salad

01:19:00.340 and listening to the endless excuses is not surprising. I would say it's not a, it's not

01:19:06.100 a bug. It's a feature of the system that they've created. She's infuriating. I'm thrilled to see for

01:19:12.260 once Democrats and Republicans uniting to pummel Kim Cheadle. They've recognized how inappropriate

01:19:18.460 she's being and how poorly this was handled. Here's a soundbite. This is a representative Raja 1.00

01:19:23.620 Krishnamoorthy, Democrat of Illinois, who's getting all over Cheadle on the fact that they knew,

01:19:30.480 according to reports, at least an hour before the shooting, that they had identified a suspicious

01:19:36.340 person, that they lost track of this person, and they still let Trump take to the stage.

01:19:43.440 So watch this. NBC reported that at 5.51 p.m., 20 minutes before the shooting began,

01:19:50.780 the state police informed the Secret Service of their concern. Now, the rally was not paused at

01:19:55.400 that point, correct? No. And according to NBC, just two minutes later at 5.53 p.m.,

01:20:03.580 the Secret Service notified its snipers about the gunman. The rally wasn't paused at that point either,

01:20:10.760 correct? No. Let me show you some video footage. The guy's on the roof and everybody's yelling at

01:20:17.020 him. Yes. And directing the officer's attention to him. The rally was not paused at that point,

01:20:22.660 correct? We are currently still combing through communications and when communications were passed.

01:20:29.120 Well, I can point you to this communication. It's two minutes before the shots started ringing out.

01:20:33.900 Director Cheadle, yes or no? Was there ever a moment where the Secret Service actually considered

01:20:39.180 pausing the rally? The Secret Service would have paused the rally had they known or been-

01:20:46.100 So the answer is no. There was an actual threat. The answer is no. Correct?

01:20:51.760 I can speak to you in generalities. No, no. I don't want generalities. I want specifics.

01:20:57.360 Who is she saving the big answers for? She works for us. 1.00

01:21:04.780 I can speak to you in generalities. What are you doing up there, lady? I'm telling you,

01:21:08.800 Megan, she should just resign right now, today. This is just such a travesty. It's insane. You

01:21:15.600 know, Megan, you and I both have IFBs in our ear. You know what they are. And most of your audience

01:21:19.640 probably does. That's so that your director can tell you that there's a video clip coming up or

01:21:24.240 something. So think about what's going on that day at the Trump rally. There are at least two

01:21:29.400 minutes where we know people were yelling about somebody with a gun over there on the building.

01:21:33.780 All of the Secret Service agents have one of these IFBs in their ear. That means that there's central

01:21:38.480 communication somewhere where they're being told what's on the ground. Oh, there's a shady looking

01:21:42.180 guy over there. Or somebody's been in the bathroom too long over there. That's a little bit bizarre.

01:21:46.600 Or there's a package outside of the stage, whatever the series of things might be.

01:21:51.940 That there were two minutes where all of these people, they're not disconnected unless they're

01:21:56.140 somehow claiming that the entire system went down and they had no way of communicating with each

01:22:00.180 other. The fact that two minutes went by where people are seeing something screaming about a guy

01:22:05.000 with a gun on top of the hour that that was just referenced right there, where they thought it

01:22:09.320 someone, you know, kind of shady was there. It's all a failure of the system that they have created.

01:22:16.020 Now, again, whether that's perfectly DEI related or not, we can set aside,

01:22:19.780 but ultimately it falls on her. So she either has to say, I will resign right now because I did not

01:22:25.920 put the proper policies in place, or she has to find somebody to fire. I don't, that probably 1.00

01:22:31.160 wouldn't be just for the person that they'll, you know, just throw, throw a board or throw aside.

01:22:36.920 It should be her, but this is an absolute embarrassment and a, and a perfect, she's a perfect 0.97

01:22:42.080 avatar for a system that does not work anymore. She can't answer a question. She doesn't know what her

01:22:47.480 job is. And she's given word salad. Who decided to put that building outside the perimeter? 1.00

01:22:54.800 That's what I want to know. And I don't care if it's, if it's a woman or a man, maybe it was a man.

01:22:58.440 I really think that's the person that's person. Number one on the blame scale, who made that

01:23:04.160 dumb ass decision to put that outside the security perimeter. And then who decided to entrust it to

01:23:10.140 local law enforcement, which when it was an obvious spot from which something bad could happen.

01:23:14.860 And then who failed to oversee them? All those questions remain unanswered. In the meantime,

01:23:20.940 we know the secret service is misleading us because I mentioned it earlier, but they'd been saying in

01:23:25.640 response to Susan Crabtree of real clear politics and Dan Bongino saying Trump's team had been asking

01:23:32.080 for additional resources to protect him as he got closer and closer to the nomination and the threat

01:23:36.980 levels were going up at this particular event, but in general, prior to, and at other events and over

01:23:42.580 and over, he was denied resources. Now, some, I can understand some, they said, Oh, he's going to

01:23:48.060 a massive sporting event as a, as a VIP attendee. And they were like, we're not going to mag the entire

01:23:55.380 stadium. Right. You're going that. I get that's reasonable. That that's all our tax dollars that

01:24:00.080 they have to draw limits somewhere, especially on a former president, but not providing appropriate

01:24:05.680 magnetometers or resources to make sure we had enough sniper coverage of outdoor rallies, which,

01:24:11.900 you know, president Trump does all the time. He's both a former president and the nominee for the

01:24:15.760 that makes no sense. And they, so they came out and viciously attacked both of those reports.

01:24:21.920 And now we know they were true. And here is Jim Jordan hammering director Cheadle on those

01:24:29.860 denials. Sot 17. Secret service spokesman, Anthony Gugliani said, quote, the assertion that a member

01:24:36.420 of the former president's security team requested additional security resources that the U S secret

01:24:41.280 service or the department of Homeland security rebuff is absolutely false. The next day, secretary

01:24:47.240 of my work has said that is an unequivocally false assertion. We had not received any requests

01:24:52.020 for additional security measures that were rebuffed. But five days later, the Washington post said this

01:24:58.640 top officials repeatedly rejected requests from Donald Trump security detail for more personnel.

01:25:05.500 So which is it? Cause both statements can't be true. Were you guessing or lying when you said you

01:25:10.660 didn't turn down requests from president Trump's detail? Neither sir.

01:25:16.980 And I appreciate the question. Well, what's, what were you doing? Because those statements don't,

01:25:21.700 don't jive. So what I can tell you is that for the event in Butler, there were no requests that

01:25:27.880 were denied as far as requests. Well, maybe they got tired of asking. Maybe you turned them down to

01:25:33.960 darn much. They said not worth asking a denial of a request does not equal a vulnerability.

01:25:40.400 Oh, that's a new story. The reports were not that they asked for resources for Butler. The reports

01:25:48.980 were that secret service had repeatedly, she had repeatedly turned down additional resources begged

01:25:53.980 for by the Trump campaign. Now she's trying to weasel and change the nature of the Trump campaign's 1.00

01:25:58.420 requests. Megan, let me tell you, I don't know if this, I'm even allowed to tell this story publicly,

01:26:04.300 but I think in light of everything that's going on, I think it warrants telling. I happened to do an

01:26:08.480 event by total coincidence with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. probably about eight months ago in Los Angeles

01:26:13.840 when his house that day happened to be broken into. And I was standing backstage at the event with him

01:26:19.780 when one of his aides said, your house got broken into somebody scaled the fence and his quote,

01:26:24.580 and then I'll leave it at that. He said again, and then that that's where I'll leave it. But that

01:26:29.460 is the level of insanity that we are dealing with right now. Somebody with the Kennedy last name,

01:26:34.120 and we don't have to go into all of the things that have happened to his, you know, family members

01:26:38.140 over the years, is not getting the protection they deserve. Now, now I suppose they are post the

01:26:42.920 Trump assassination attempt. And then exactly, you're making the perfectly right point. This

01:26:47.740 has nothing to do with the event, the security of the event that day, because Jim Jordan might be

01:26:52.400 right. They might be like, yeah, we tried to get more security from you guys repeatedly. We knew the

01:26:57.180 threats were going up and everything else. And then we just didn't ask on this given day. I would also say

01:27:02.060 the video that people need to keep looking at is the video where you see Trump getting shot. And

01:27:07.760 then the sniper that's sort of in the distance behind him, you see him basically shooting the,

01:27:12.240 the would be assassin at the exact same moment, you know, within a millisecond. I think the question

01:27:17.180 for that sniper, what I would love to know is how long did you see the guy on the roof? Do we have any

01:27:22.280 time on that? I mean, he didn't just magically get on the roof and then immediately shoot Trump

01:27:26.580 in one millisecond. He obviously was on the roof before it takes a moment to get your gun and

01:27:31.440 everything else. So it seems to me that that's the guy that we need to hear from to get a little

01:27:35.680 more sense of how long everything was going on for. Yeah. And what, what specifically he could

01:27:40.800 see, uh, you know, I'm sure it wasn't as clear as it was after the fact, but what could he see?

01:27:46.340 So we've got some breaking news coming in here, Dave, and I do want to shift topics with you.

01:27:49.660 Anyway, Nancy Pelosi has officially endorsed Kamala Harris. Now it's with immense pride and limitless

01:27:55.500 optimism for our country's future. You know what? It's just, it really, I know, I, you know, I

01:28:02.240 haven't, whatever. I'm glad he's gone. He can't do this job. He certainly can't do it for another

01:28:08.140 term, but it really is galling that rather than have an open process where they let their voters

01:28:14.880 decide now how to fix this problem that the party elders created, they're just going to rubber stamp

01:28:22.320 their choice and shove her down the throats of the American people. 1.00

01:28:27.600 Yeah. It's really disgusting, but this is what the Democrat party has become. This is what I and a

01:28:32.740 whole bunch of other people, former Dems have been warning about that the radicalism in the party would

01:28:37.580 lead to something like this. Look, they are this in essence, this is a coup that's happening right

01:28:42.760 now. First off, we don't even know what Joe Biden knows about what's happening right now. That letter

01:28:48.020 was not written on white house letterhead. It was a digital signature. Why was there no picture taken

01:28:53.220 or why didn't they release a picture of him signing it? Why wasn't there video? Why is he

01:28:57.360 not doing any appearances today? And it sounds like not doing any for the rest of the week.

01:29:01.360 There is something, let me just add, I'll let you finish your point, but just to add to that,

01:29:04.860 that he, they called a lid at the white house, meaning he's done, uh, in Delaware. He's not at the

01:29:09.780 white house where he's recovering from COVID. He's not appeared publicly in video or in photographs

01:29:13.840 since announcing yesterday. He won't see it. And now we won't be seeing him today. Keep going.

01:29:17.120 Right. I mean, the president in, in essence, just stepped down. Now I understand he's still

01:29:22.680 president, so to speak, de facto, he's still president. It still says his name at the desk

01:29:27.260 at the white house at the oval office. Uh, but this is a scandal unlike anything we can possibly

01:29:33.200 imagine. We've been living in pretty crazy times where every day, you know, you and I wake up and

01:29:37.400 we have to figure out what we're covering and every day it's crazier and crazier. But what just

01:29:41.280 happened here is that the Democrats have known, they have known for more than five years that there was

01:29:46.880 something not cognitively right with him. Megan, we, we posted a video on Twitter this morning

01:29:51.320 from my show on November 3rd, 2020, November 3rd, 2020, where I said that if he is sworn in again

01:29:58.980 in as a second term, if he makes it through this first term and is sworn in again, that I would

01:30:02.920 retire. I would delete all my accounts and retire. Now, am I from the future? Am I a wizard? Am I

01:30:07.620 clairvoyant? I don't think so, but I'm just not kind of brain dead, which is largely what the

01:30:12.440 mainstream media has become. Uh, you were also talking about this for a long time when nobody

01:30:17.380 else was talking about it. It was obvious. So they started leaking to the media, right? If Obama

01:30:22.440 or Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, if they wanted to have their meetings with Biden about what was going

01:30:27.480 on or really figure out the temperature of his mental health, you can have those meetings and

01:30:32.000 have it be private, but they didn't want it to be private because they wanted to have meetings,

01:30:36.520 then leak it to the media. The pressure starts bearing on Biden. And again, we don't know what

01:30:41.640 Biden's cognitive ability is right now. So we don't even know if he fully agreed to this.

01:30:47.220 And look, I'm not, I'm not a conspiracy theorist as a general rule, but in light of the amount of lies

01:30:52.660 that we have been fed over the last couple of years, uh, I think that there are all sorts of

01:30:57.380 questions as to if this is all legit, what did they offer him? Did he just get 200 million for his

01:31:03.340 presidential library? Did he get some slush fund? Did they get, did they guarantee that Hunter won't go

01:31:07.620 to jail or that he won't go to jail? Like there's so many, it wasn't a new look at polls.

01:31:13.520 Joe Biden believes he can overcome bad polls. His lifetime experience tells him,

01:31:18.720 don't believe that nonsense. I'm Joe Biden. I'm the comeback kid. I don't believe these lies

01:31:24.400 that they, you know, his inner team finally showed him the battleground polls. And he said,

01:31:29.200 ah, okay, right. Now I see the light. No, I know that's a lie.

01:31:33.940 Well, it's a complete lie. Right. He was suddenly like, I've been so defiant in all of this. And I'm

01:31:39.020 so, I've got such wherewithal in my brain. I, I crunched the numbers and it does look like I'm

01:31:43.580 going to lose. Let's hand it to Kamala. That's complete and utter nonsense. But look, I'm not

01:31:48.760 a Democrat. Okay. So this is not my party. Fine. I'm not even a Republican really, but I'm certainly

01:31:54.000 not a Democrat. So if you are a demo, if you are a Democrat, you should be absolutely insulted.

01:31:59.600 I get it. You might hate Donald Trump. You might hate, you might think have Trump derangement

01:32:04.080 syndrome and all of that stuff. However, you should be absolutely insulted that your party

01:32:10.200 in essence decided not to have a primary, then forced RFK to, in essence, he quit the party

01:32:17.520 because of the corruption over there. And now they're just going to install someone who literally

01:32:22.640 was polling at 3% when she was running in the primary against Joe Biden. Nobody has voted for Kamala

01:32:29.180 Harris. She was rejected, dropped out after the first debate because she was an, maybe it was 1.00

01:32:33.980 the second debate because she was an absolute disaster, but they did this to their own people. 1.00

01:32:39.060 And I am afraid that many of the Democrats are going to say, Oh, this is just wonderful. Thank

01:32:43.900 you, sir. Can I have another? It's really wrong. Getting him to step down is correct. He should step

01:32:50.360 down from the presidency too. And now they should have an honest contest in whatever time is left,

01:32:55.020 uh, as, as honest as it can be, given the fact that they skipped the primaries. This is not there.

01:32:59.120 This is by edict. This is by Nancy Pelosi's edict that we're going to wind up. Can I ask you a

01:33:04.420 question? Can I ask you a question? What do you make of the fact that Hillary and Bill are all in

01:33:10.240 on this and Pelosi are in on the Kamala transition, but Obama's kind of punting on this thing. Cause to me

01:33:15.240 that shows you what the real fight is about right now.

01:33:18.200 Well, I think Obama understands electoral politics very well and, uh, understand she's incredibly

01:33:24.940 unpopular and that they do better with somebody else. You know, if they had a ticket of two of

01:33:28.220 these sinning popular governors who are in swing States or who are Democrats governing red States,

01:33:35.560 right? Like North Carolina or purple States, like the Pennsylvania, Josh, Josh Shapiro, they,

01:33:42.080 they improve their chances and they're not as unpopular as she is. I don't know that bill and Hillary,

01:33:47.660 they're, you know, I feel like she's probably making some sort of a vice presidential play here. 0.93

01:33:51.920 Cause let's not forget, we'll need to name her running mate and let's, you know, it doesn't 1.00

01:33:57.720 necessarily have to be male, female, who knows? Uh, Hillary's been getting a lot more ink lately 1.00

01:34:02.980 and she's definitely been placing those pieces. That's that doesn't happen organically. No one's

01:34:07.160 thinking about her. Um, anyway. Okay. So that's my thought on, on them. I do, you know, I do wonder

01:34:13.680 how Trump is going to handle her because having said all that, she did get elected to, um, you know,

01:34:21.780 U S Senator. She, she won first her, uh, local race to be DA. She became the attorney general of 0.99

01:34:27.800 California. She became a U S Senator and she ultimately, you know, won the vice presidency. 0.99

01:34:33.500 So she's not incapable of winning debates and making her arguments. I don't know whether there'll 0.53

01:34:40.920 be a debate. Now Trump is saying, I'm not doing the ABC debate. I agreed to, I want to do one

01:34:46.380 against her on Fox news. Now that would be something fun to watch. I can't see Kamala Harris agreeing to 0.98

01:34:53.640 go on Fox news, but she should because Brett and Martha would be very fair. They would be very fair.

01:34:58.740 Um, so I don't know what's going to happen. How does he handle her? Cause so far it's been

01:35:04.560 typical Trump style, you know, his tweets or his truth social posts have been pretty bombastic.

01:35:10.520 Yeah. Well, we're, look, we're in the midst of seeing a massive narrative shift because last

01:35:14.660 week post assassination and for the four days of the, of the Republican convention, which you were

01:35:19.560 at, I mean, that was the widest tent Republican movement and the most focused sort of joyous pro

01:35:25.020 America. It doesn't matter if you're just like the most traditional conservative ever. We want you in

01:35:30.320 this party. You have Rick Brunel up there saying, doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You have

01:35:34.920 Harmeet Dillon giving a Sikh prayer. You have Orthodox Jews and Christians. You had atheist groups,

01:35:40.320 the secular groups there. It was exactly what America is supposed to be. And what my fear was 1.00

01:35:45.800 during that was this is kind of Trump peaking a little bit too early. It's like all the energy

01:35:50.140 post assassination, which is just like beyond ephemeral. You can't even touch that. Now you

01:35:54.800 have this really hot party that is doing all of the right things that we would want as, as Americans,

01:36:00.720 I think. And now you're going to see the narrative shift and the narrative shift is going to be that

01:36:06.100 Kamala Harris is the black woman who is a prosecutor and Donald Trump is the criminal and she is going

01:36:11.760 to prosecute him and everything else. I think Trump has to stay on message. Don't get, you know,

01:36:16.620 one of the things he's been very, very good at last couple of months, especially as it pertained

01:36:20.160 to Biden was letting Biden make mistakes, not going too crazy with the name calling.

01:36:24.800 I think if Trump just continues to expose the identity politics nonsense, all of her really

01:36:31.500 horrific ideas as it relates to, to Marxism and equity over equality and everything else that will

01:36:37.940 help. But look, you know, Megan, we got what, three months to the election and we have six months

01:36:43.740 still a new president is inaugurated. They have plenty of time to just keep dinging and dinging

01:36:50.200 and dinging Trump and making it seem like he's Hitler again. And now she's the hero. So this is

01:36:56.660 a long time off. And I wish maybe that the Republicans had punted the convention to a little

01:37:02.600 bit later. So things would time out a little bit differently. The fact that the fact that the debate

01:37:07.720 was in June really has now worked to the Dems advantage.

01:37:12.300 I have to say, I think Trump, yes, he's going to need to hit her. And I think his surrogate

01:37:16.360 should absolutely be hitting her all the time on her policy choices, which are just very far left,

01:37:21.180 but he needs more moments like this one. Do we have time to play it? You guys sought 22 more of this.

01:37:26.800 You know, I have to just interject if you would turn off those cameras because I don't want this.

01:37:34.080 See the screen up there of me? That's very severe, that comb over. That's a severe sucker.

01:37:41.500 What's with that one? It looks OK from the other side.

01:37:45.800 But that is very severe. I apologize. Man, I looked up there. I said, whoa.

01:37:57.560 Look at that. Wow. That's like a work of art.

01:38:01.340 Only look at that one. Don't look. That one looks.

01:38:19.040 Charming, self-deprecating and funny. His positive should be on full display.

01:38:25.480 That is more substantive than anything you will hear about from Kamala Harris in the next three

01:38:29.920 months. I promise you that. But even the fact that he can do that completely off the cuff in the

01:38:34.420 middle of the speech. And it's funny. And you're right. It's self-deprecating. It shows that he's

01:38:38.860 human or that that his mind is even thinking about that for the slightest degree as he sees it in the

01:38:44.620 screen over there. And he goes with all that. It is incredible. But somehow the man who is orange

01:38:50.400 with the craziest hair plugs in the history of the world is more authentic than everyone on the other

01:38:55.040 side. The authors of The Matrix should be you got to tap your hat to them.

01:39:00.500 Absolutely. I will say he's got a smaller bandage on his right ear now. It's like a small tan one.

01:39:06.300 And you still have the lunatics out there like Oberman saying he was never shot. So

01:39:09.800 we'll leave you with that on this lovely Monday afternoon. So much more to get to tomorrow. Dave

01:39:14.400 Rubin, thank you. Always a pleasure. Good to see you, Megan. And thanks to all of you for tuning in

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 22, 2024

Biden Still Hiding After Dropping Out, and Elites Coronate Kamala, with Charles C.W. Cooke, and Jim Geraghty, and Dave Rubin ｜ Ep. 844

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