The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden Stokes Racial Division in Campaign Messaging, and Michelle Obama Says She's ＂Terrified＂ of Trump Win, with Victor Davis Hanson

00:00:00.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh my gosh, I have so much

00:00:16.360 to tell you about today and the lead story is unbelievable. Why is it not everywhere?

00:00:22.040 It's going to be. It's going to be. I think people didn't understand exactly the significance

00:00:26.020 of what happened, but you are not going to believe what happened to that Fannie Willis

00:00:28.980 case down in Georgia. First, let me just start with the breaking legal news on what's happening.

00:00:34.260 President Trump heading to federal court in D.C. this morning about his claim that he is immune

00:00:39.760 from criminal prosecution because the acts they're complaining about were taken while he was the

00:00:44.920 sitting president of the United States. By all accounts, the argument didn't seem to go particularly

00:00:51.380 well for him. You remember he lost this at the federal district court level, the trial court.

00:00:55.820 Now it's going up to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Whatever happens, the losing party will

00:01:00.980 try to appeal it to the Supreme Court. We had Dave and Mike on last week with a split verdict on whether

00:01:06.100 the Supreme Court will take it. So in any event, D.C. Circuit seemed very skeptical that the president

00:01:11.000 could claim immunity from criminal prosecution for anything he does while he's in office.

00:01:15.740 But meanwhile, let's go down to Georgia. OK, because the case against Trump in Georgia,

00:01:20.540 I'm not sure the case itself is going to go away, but the prosecutor might be.

00:01:25.620 She's in a whole lot of trouble herself and could potentially even be facing criminal charges herself.

00:01:31.540 You're not going to believe what's in this new filing by a Trump co-defendant. And now you look

00:01:36.160 at this as a Trump co-defendant. All right, got it. Whatever. No. When you look at what they're

00:01:40.880 actually alleging and what they appear to have seen about Fannie Willis and what she's been doing,

00:01:45.600 if any of this is true, she's in a massive ton of trouble and is obviously going to get booted

00:01:53.440 off of the case and actually could be facing criminal charges herself, as I said. All this

00:01:58.540 as separately, former First Lady Michelle Obama is talking about how terrified she is about what

00:02:04.580 may happen in this election year. Terrified enough to actually throw her own hat into the political

00:02:09.680 arena. Joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of the

00:02:16.460 upcoming book, The End of Everything, How Wars Descend Into Annihilation.

00:02:24.300 BDH, welcome back to the show. Great to have you. Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:02:29.100 OK, so this this whole thing that's happening with Fannie Willis, I'm sorry, forgive. It's just too

00:02:33.480 delicious. It's she. I mean, she doesn't seem like an honest prosecutor to me. This whole thing

00:02:39.420 is political against Trump down in Georgia, the Rico, everything. So what is being alleged now

00:02:44.480 by a lawyer whose name is Ashley Merchant? And she is the attorney for one of the defendants down there.

00:02:53.420 Last name is Roman. And this guy, Roman, looking for his first name here, can't find it in front of

00:03:00.280 me. But in any event, he's one of the co-defendants, Michael, Michael. He worked as director of election

00:03:04.920 day operations for the Trump camp in 2020. Well, right now he's charged with seven felony counts

00:03:09.620 by Fannie Willis. Conspiracy, trying to organize, organize slates of Trump's electors,

00:03:17.020 working with Trump to, you know, get the election to go Trump's way in Georgia.

00:03:23.060 He got indicted by Fannie Willis. Actually, one of the grand jury wouldn't indict him,

00:03:26.940 but she charged him anyway. And, um, his lawyer is this Ashley Merchant who has just filed a

00:03:33.120 barn burner of a motion calling attention to what she says is a disgusting ethics breach by Fannie

00:03:41.180 Willis. She says that Fannie Willis is in an inappropriate romantic relationship with the

00:03:50.620 special prosecutor, Nathan Wade, who she brought in to help prosecute this Rico case against Trump

00:03:57.080 and all the others. And that she and Nathan Wade have been having an affair and that she named him

00:04:06.200 special prosecutor the day before he filed for a divorce from his wife and that she's been funneling

00:04:12.220 payments to him for his work as a special prosecutor and that he's been using those monies to then take

00:04:19.980 Fannie Willis on all these exotic vacations, um, traveling together to Napa Valley, to Florida,

00:04:31.040 cruising the Caribbean together, using tickets, quoting here from the Atlanta journal, journal

00:04:35.700 constitution, uh, using tickets, Wade purchased, uh, from Norwegian and Royal Caribbean cruise lines

00:04:42.520 and suggesting that the checks that were sent to this guy, Wade, Nathan Wade from Fannie Willis,

00:04:50.220 Fulton County, and his subsequent purchases of vacations for Fannie Willis could amount not only to

00:04:58.160 a conflict of interest because she's using him to fund her life and to prosecute Trump, but to quote

00:05:03.720 honest services fraud, a federal crime in which a vendor gives kickbacks to an employer, he would

00:05:11.420 be the vendor, Fannie Willis slash Fulton County, the employer. It is possible this could also be

00:05:16.480 prosecuted under the Rico statute claims Ashley Merchant, the attorney for one of these defendants

00:05:22.840 in a motion. Now that seems like a potential reach though. I don't know, but one other thing,

00:05:28.540 Victor, and then I'll get you to weigh in on it. Just in case people out there are thinking,

00:05:32.500 this is just, you know, the, the long shot hail Mary of a co-defendant in this case.

00:05:38.420 No, they went to Steven Gillers, who since I was in law school is the guy you go to when you want an

00:05:45.380 ethics opinion on what a lawyer has done. He literally wrote the textbook. We all study

00:05:51.040 before we take the bar exam on legal ethics. He's professor emeritus at NYU law school.

00:05:56.820 And he was interviewed by the Atlanta journal constitution for this took it and said, um,

00:06:03.660 I'm going to quote here. He said, a closer look at Fannie Willis's decision-making is needed before it

00:06:08.960 can be determined whether the indictment against this guy, uh, this co-defendant of Trump's

00:06:15.800 should be dismissed. The allegations, if true said Gillers, uh, lead to the following conclusion.

00:06:22.980 Fannie Willis was conflicted in the investigation and prosecution of this case and was not able to

00:06:28.940 bring the sort of independent professional judgment. Her position requires, as far as I can

00:06:33.100 tell, all this would apply, not just to this one defendant Roman, but also to Donald Trump,

00:06:38.260 just because Roman's lawyer found it doesn't mean it's not going to benefit Trump and the other

00:06:42.920 defendants. And not only, and I'll go on because Gillers adds to what he said, this doesn't mean her

00:06:48.520 decisions were in fact improperly motivated, he says. Uh, but it does mean the public and the state

00:06:55.040 as her client could not have the confidence in the independent judgment that her position required her

00:07:00.220 to exercise. So this guy's suggesting she may have to go. The lawyer suggesting she may actually

00:07:10.280 be subjected to criminal prosecution, depending on, on what comes out. And she is basing her allegations,

00:07:17.600 this Ashley merchant lawyer. That's the name of the lawyer on the fact that in part, she reviewed

00:07:23.500 the divorce case in Wade's ongoing divorce proceeding, Nathan Wade's ongoing divorce proceed,

00:07:31.300 proceeding, um, that the guy who she's, Fannie's having the affair with, according to this motion.

00:07:36.580 And she made copies of documents therein. Then this guy, Wade's divorce file was later sealed.

00:07:44.640 And because it's been sealed now, the lawyer merchant can't share the information she got

00:07:51.060 from the divorce file until that seal is lifted. She is asking a judge to unseal the divorce proceedings

00:07:58.020 of Fannie Willis's alleged affair partner and special prosecutor in this case. Okay, I'm done.

00:08:05.440 What do you make of it all? Well, I mean, if it's true, uh, she's going to be facing criminal exposure

00:08:13.580 because if she did travel with this guy and she benefited from the perks that, that he extended

00:08:21.660 to her and she, and he was a special prosecutor who were supposed to be, I guess they brought him in

00:08:26.780 because they felt that he had expertise or at least he wouldn't be part of the earlier deliberations.

00:08:31.920 And he would be, uh, perhaps more fair and judicious. So she defeated that purpose. But if

00:08:38.260 she benefited with his liaison and she facilitated, I think she's going to face, she would face criminal

00:08:44.560 exposure, but it brings up a couple of things. I think in a wider context, all of the legal eagles

00:08:50.500 who looked at these four cases, these four indictments, maybe putting Jack Smith aside because

00:08:55.480 it was a federal indictment had all come to the consensus that Fannie Willis had the most likely

00:09:01.320 chance of succeeding that Latita James on the real estate thing was sort of bogus and Alvin Bragg was

00:09:07.820 even less serious. But Fannie Willis, because of the phone call and the Georgia, the attention of the

00:09:13.760 major parties in an election, they all felt that that was at least the consensus. If that folds, I think

00:09:19.720 it'll have a ripple effect that will remind the public. And I think the legal community that all

00:09:24.240 of them were politically motivated. And this was the best chance that the people who were engaging

00:09:30.300 in lawfare had to get Donald Trump. The other thing is, this isn't the first time we've seen one of

00:09:36.620 these Soros supported, uh, prosecutors come on to, into conflict with the law. We had, uh, Kim Fox in

00:09:44.560 Chicago. We remember with Juicy Smollett and that they, she had to be overridden. We had the Baltimore

00:09:50.380 prosecutor. I think the one in St. Louis out here in California, we've had

00:09:55.040 Marilyn Mosby in Baltimore, Marilyn Mosby. Yes. Baltimore, Carolyn Mosby. We have Giscard facing.

00:10:01.960 So all of them, I think are finally coming under scrutiny and it's kind of ironic, or maybe it's

00:10:08.120 nemesis at work that they were so confident and so boastful in some of their public campaigns for office

00:10:13.780 that they were going to get Trump and they were going to do this and this. And all they did is bring

00:10:18.920 scrutiny into their, their careers that couldn't bear scrutiny. And so I, that's kind of ironic and

00:10:24.940 it's good news. It's a good point. I hadn't considered that. Marilyn Mosby, she, she too, facing, uh,

00:10:30.120 charges out there for mismanaging state funds for getting a home loan during COVID that really was

00:10:36.860 just meant to get her a better mortgage rate. If memory serves, it wasn't for COVID. And, uh, so she's

00:10:42.340 no longer in office and now she's, I forgot the name of the St. Louis prosecutor. I think the St.

00:10:46.520 Louis prosecutor that went after the couple that was armed, she's facing problems as well. I think

00:10:53.040 she's stepped down. Yeah. She's, but this one, I mean, this one's huge Victor because this woman has,

00:10:58.720 she's made a national name for herself through this case by going after Donald Trump. You know,

00:11:04.780 she was going to be the ethical one to take him down for mistreating the Georgia election workers and

00:11:10.700 the Georgia election system. And now we find out according to, again, I'm reading from the Atlanta

00:11:15.100 journal constitution, which is reporting on the motion that she filed that, that, that the lawyer,

00:11:19.200 uh, filed, um, saying, so keep in mind, she's the DA. All right. This is Fannie Willis is the DA.

00:11:27.340 She authorizes the compensation of a special prosecutor she's bringing on like Nathan Wade and that

00:11:33.680 he's been paid so far, almost $654,000 in legal fees. The allegation of course, being that

00:11:42.820 they then turned around and went to the Caribbean together and they went to Florida together and

00:11:48.540 they went on. She, Fannie Willis is loving the position of special prosecutor. If any of this

00:11:53.400 is true, she's going away. She's no, she's not going to be allowed to prosecute Trump anymore on this

00:11:59.340 case. And she has, and all of these prosecutors have made various motions, especially Jack Smith,

00:12:04.360 but even the local ones that they wanted urgency, they wanted to, to hasten these cases before the

00:12:09.500 election. And if they're so in a hurry, how they have time to go to the Caribbean or Napa or to

00:12:14.500 junk it all around, you think they would be working 24 seven as they claim. And, you know, both

00:12:20.160 conservative and, and left-wing lawyers who weigh in and social media on TV, they always say the same

00:12:27.540 thing. Well, we don't, you know, brag is a joke and Lita James, but, but, but Fannie Willis has got

00:12:33.560 the goods on Trump. This phone call is a lot of criminal exposure. And if this thing blows up,

00:12:38.540 and I think it has a good chance of, I think it'll, it will have consequences with all of the other

00:12:43.140 ones because Jack Smith's not doing too well himself. And I think won't do as well. And so it

00:12:49.660 may happen that, that not only did these, uh, I think bogus politicalization of the legal system

00:12:58.260 go after Trump, not only did they help him in the primary, but they're going to help him even more

00:13:03.020 than these people can dream of. The, uh, the interesting thing about the interesting thing

00:13:08.980 about the motion is they're pushing not just to have Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade, the special

00:13:14.580 prosecutor disqualified. Of course they want the entire DA's office off. They, they're saying this

00:13:19.980 entire DA's office has been compromised and should not be allowed to pursue this case. Obviously there's

00:13:27.200 been rot at the center of this thing, two people conspiring for money. He, you know, she's basically

00:13:34.300 benefiting off of the prosecution. Oh, I need to pursue it. I, it's a big case. So big. I've got to

00:13:39.920 bring in help. And it, you know, if that, if the money that we have to pay the special prosecutor

00:13:44.800 happens to line my own pockets, Oh gee, judge, well, it couldn't be helped. That's the position

00:13:49.760 she's now going to be in. So they've got a good argument. If any of this is true, and that's a big

00:13:53.880 if we have to wait to see it again, this stuff is under seal, but this lawyer, Ashley merchant is

00:13:58.660 pushing to get it unsealed and that's going to work too. I mean, she's going to succeed in getting

00:14:03.540 that stuff unsealed. We're going to find out exactly what was alleged probably by the ex-wife

00:14:07.360 against this guy, Nathan Wade in their divorce proceedings about what he's been doing with

00:14:11.760 Fannie Willis. Here's Trump morning. He, here's one other thing. He wasn't speaking about this

00:14:17.660 exactly. He was speaking about the immunity arguments before, uh, the DC circuit court of

00:14:21.780 appeals. And he came out and did mention Georgia. He said, quote, we had a very big event yesterday,

00:14:28.380 as you saw in Georgia, that case is totally compromised. It has to be dropped. The reason they paid him

00:14:35.480 so much is because he was after me. Every legal analyst I've read said that case is so compromised.

00:14:41.580 Now it has to be dropped. Well, I mean, there hasn't been a lot of legal analysis on this particular

00:14:46.480 motion because it didn't get a lot of pickup, but it's going to, uh, they, they just haven't, it hasn't

00:14:52.600 made the rounds. It's going to, because this woman seems to have the receipts. If she's actually seen

00:14:57.280 the sealed documents in the, in the Wade divorce case, she's got something, I think, unless she's a

00:15:02.760 complete charlatan. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that may be true too, but you know, there there's an, even

00:15:07.860 another pattern and that is it goes all the way back to the Mueller case when Mueller's assembled

00:15:12.560 his team. And I think most people realize there was not Russian collusion, but their fact had been

00:15:17.800 collusion with Hillary Clinton sources to destroy the Trump campaign in 2016. But do you remember the

00:15:24.820 hype then it was Robert Mueller and Mr. Wiseman have assembled the dream team, the all-stars,

00:15:31.680 the hunter killer team. I think Max Boot called him the hunter killer team. And that Trump had these

00:15:36.540 Trumpy, crazy Jay Sekulow, Ty Cobb lawyers, rural, and they were never going to be up to speed. And

00:15:43.540 the Trump lawyers kind of demolished them. And the same is here. We've been told that these are all

00:15:49.080 professional prosecutors. Trump's team and the other defendants teams are not up to snuff. He's got,

00:15:55.480 uh, Fox people on, on his team, dah, dah, dah, dah. And I think what they overlook is it didn't really

00:16:02.100 matter how good or bad these prosecutors are. They were committing lawfare all the time and they never

00:16:08.960 had cases. And the defense had a much easier chance to show that because there was no evidence that

00:16:14.520 Donald Trump ever colluded with a Russian, just like there's no evidence that Donald Trump is any

00:16:19.980 different than any other real estate person in New York, as far as valuing assets, uh, for a loan that

00:16:26.200 the bank was happy to take and profit from, just like, uh, a non-disclosure with a camp, uh, becoming

00:16:32.500 a campaign finance, uh, violation with Alvin Bragg. These are very weak cases. And it, and it, it doesn't,

00:16:40.060 it shows you that when they brag and brag and brag and brag about these prosecutors, they don't,

00:16:45.380 they miss the central truth. They're using the law to pollute and warp politics and go after someone

00:16:52.080 that has, that they otherwise should gone after, uh, politically, or they can have the people decide

00:16:57.980 through elections and that they're going to lose because you can't, I mean, I think finally there's

00:17:03.760 no law to, to substantiate that. We're, we're seeing this across the board. I think the latest

00:17:08.480 revelations about the January 6th, that there's a lot of, uh, you know, there's a lot of research now

00:17:14.540 that maybe there was a lot more politically, uh, excuse me, FBI informants and people that were

00:17:20.220 politically aligned as informants working for the government on January 6th. And most of the,

00:17:25.700 the things that we were told were just iconic and true that five officers killed themselves

00:17:31.780 because of this right after that wasn't quite true. Sicknick didn't die from violence. Uh,

00:17:37.340 the only person who died was Ashley Babbitt violently, and she was a Trump supporter, blah, blah. I mean,

00:17:42.540 that's not to defend the idea of a buffoonish riot, but my God, I just bring that up, Megan,

00:17:47.820 because when Biden keeps beating that January 6th dead horse, and he keeps talking, almost praising

00:17:54.020 the May, uh, the May 2020 riots, it seemed to me, and they were staying standing up. I think these guys

00:18:01.020 have really misinterpreted the, the, uh, the course of American public opinion right now. I think people

00:18:09.460 are getting very tired of all of these things going on. The Gaza protests are shutting down the

00:18:14.720 bridges, disrupting the California legislature the other day, going into the Capitol. We tunda,

00:18:20.120 uh, it's just creating a narrative that we've got to stop this, that all these people are trying to

00:18:27.740 do things extra illegally to warp a political process because they feel that they have a right,

00:18:34.020 basically to disrupt and destroy given Donald Trump. It's almost like we're going to destroy

00:18:38.780 democracy to save democracy from Donald Trump. And I don't think people are going to put up with it

00:18:43.860 much longer. And I think, I think she's in big trouble. If she's culpable, it will tend to,

00:18:49.620 to echo and reverberate through public opinion. And the other prosecutions are going to be affected

00:18:55.040 as well. Well, that's the other thing. If it's true, if she actually is having an affair with this

00:18:59.480 guy and he it's in his divorce documents and they took these trips, she's not gonna be able to deny

00:19:04.700 it. It's not deniable. If she, maybe she's going to come out so far, according to Atlanta journal

00:19:09.160 constitution, she, uh, her office simply said, we'll respond to Roman's allegations through

00:19:14.100 appropriate court filings. Uh, the alleged affair partner, Nathan Wade did not immediately respond

00:19:20.160 to a request for comment. I mean, let me tell you, if they called me up and said, are you having an

00:19:24.240 affair with Nathan Wade? And did you hire him? Um, and then use the monies to take trips with him?

00:19:29.520 I would say, no, I didn't. I don't know Nathan Wade. I'd say, no, I wouldn't say I don't comment

00:19:35.860 or I'll put it in a filing or I don't even get back to the Atlanta journal constitution, which

00:19:41.220 is a legit paper. Uh, so we'll see. I mean, we'll see. Uh, here's the other thing. They say

00:19:47.720 the document offers no concrete proof, meaning the motion filed by the lawyer of the romantic

00:19:53.120 ties between Willis and Wade, but says, quote, sources close to both the special prosecutor

00:19:57.080 and the district attorney have confirmed they had an ongoing personal relationship. Um, so

00:20:04.780 there's that. And then this just in the, uh, speaker of the house in Georgia, the state house,

00:20:11.980 John Burns just tweeted the following, uh, moments ago, literally moments ago, the allegations

00:20:18.380 against district attorney Fannie Willis are extremely troubling to say the least. We need to let

00:20:22.980 the process play out, but the public absolutely deserves transparency and the truth from the

00:20:27.120 district attorney about these serious allegations. We look forward to quick, quickly strengthening

00:20:31.520 oversight of prosecuting attorneys in the coming days to ensure district attorneys across the state

00:20:36.360 are doing their job to serve the public's best interest. Right. Because you cannot, if as alleged

00:20:43.220 here, uh, if this is true, you cannot have a district attorney who has a financial interest in the

00:20:50.180 case moving forward because she's getting fancy trips off of the special prosecutor's salary.

00:20:57.220 She's paying him. He's taking her on cruises. She's getting to see the world. She's not disclosing

00:21:03.160 it. That's what's being alleged here. You they're right. You cannot have that. You cannot have this

00:21:07.860 number of defendants and their freedom in jeopardy because of a DA like this. And so the, the,

00:21:14.320 in this case, the defendant is asking for everyone to be disqualified and he wants the charges dismissed.

00:21:20.780 Now, I, I don't think that's going to happen. They won't dump the whole thing, but it's not

00:21:24.700 entirely impossible. So there's Georgia huge developments this morning for sure. There's

00:21:30.920 going to be a lot more coming on that. You know, I think it, yeah, one, one question is why do we know

00:21:36.300 now? Why are all of a sudden these trips probably happened weeks of months ago? And I think the answer

00:21:41.680 is that again, these are political acts and they are predicated on public opinion and the public

00:21:47.740 opinion seeps into the bureaucracies. So when we, when one of the Soros funded prosecutors started to

00:21:54.160 face criminal liability, then people all of a sudden in the aftermath of George Floyd, as that became

00:21:59.840 distant in the rear view mirror, people woke up and said, wait a minute, Soros in this crisis atmosphere

00:22:05.980 got all of these people elected. Let's take a look at them and what's going on in the country at large.

00:22:10.640 And they started coming forward, you know, and they were leaking documents. And we found out

00:22:16.020 what they were doing in Baltimore, what they were doing in San Francisco, what is going on in Los

00:22:20.660 Angeles, what was going on in St. Louis and what was going on in Chicago. And I think finally people,

00:22:26.200 the mood of the country is, I guess what I'm saying is changing. And now people are starting to look

00:22:30.800 at these prosecutors in a way that they didn't dare do at the height of the sort of woke movement just,

00:22:37.680 just a few months ago. And I think we saw that with the college presidents. We're seeing that

00:22:43.500 across the board, people are kind of waking up now and saying, you know what, we're going to apply

00:22:48.280 standard criteria to everybody. And we're not going to get into this mood that certain people get

00:22:54.600 exemptions and we're not going to talk about this. And I think they are. And I don't think a lot of

00:22:59.200 these people who were elected with help from George Sorrell's nuts and others are going to stand

00:23:05.700 scrutiny. Well, one of the things that Joe Biden was saying at his remarks, which we'll get to

00:23:12.500 yesterday, was that he's he's all about law and order, you know, that he he has a commitment to law,

00:23:19.420 unlike Donald Trump. And you look at, you know, just the some of the things you just mentioned

00:23:26.340 it. OK, so he, unlike Trump, likes enforcing the law. And what he means is January 6th.

00:23:32.860 You know, Trump was lawless. His fans and supporters were lawless. What about the BLM riots?

00:23:39.080 Kamala Harris actually supported supporting the protesters to get bailed out in Minnesota.

00:23:47.440 There was an actual tweet. There was an actual tweet that she said that she sent out. If you're

00:23:53.120 able to chip in now to the Minneapolis or Minnesota Freedom Fund to help post bail for those protesting

00:24:01.300 on the ground in Minnesota. That was post George Floyd. Now, that's that's his partner who thought

00:24:10.000 it was appropriate to help. And remember, yeah, in June of 2020 and the and the fact checkers

00:24:17.340 to always deny this, they said, well, she was only talking about peaceful. But remember,

00:24:21.020 she went out right after they tried to storm the White House grounds and some of the worst

00:24:25.940 rioting. She said, this is not going to stop, nor should it stop. These demonstrations are going to

00:24:30.480 go on all the way. She was not yet vice president nominated, but she was going to be. It was pretty

00:24:36.560 clear. Right. And she said, nor should they be. And they are going to go on all the way to the

00:24:41.680 election. And you remember that Molly Ball article. And she went to visit Jacob Blake,

00:24:46.100 a guy who. Yeah, she did. He got stabbed by cops after he was beating them up and called him a hero.

00:24:54.000 What I don't understand about all this, they keep talking about federal property,

00:24:57.160 and I think that should be sacrilegious. They say the people's property. And now we hear

00:25:00.800 prosecutors just the other day said, we're going to prosecute people who step foot

00:25:05.080 outside the Capitol. And you think, wait a minute. Some of the members of Congress were speaking

00:25:11.440 when Palestinian protesters went in and occupied the Rotunda just a few weeks ago.

00:25:16.480 And here in California, they went into the California legislature and disrupted it in session.

00:25:22.200 And during those riots that you were talking about, they tried to burn down a Portland,

00:25:26.460 and they torched it, a Portland federal courthouse. And then in June, they went out.

00:25:32.020 And yes, a police station. And then they went in. If you remember, they tried to swarm the White

00:25:38.520 House grounds and get it down Trump. And he had to be escorted by the Secret Service into a bunker.

00:25:44.460 And so they had all of these attacks on federal property that were far more violent. I mean,

00:25:49.180 there was nobody armed inside or doing burning things or trying to torch the Capitol or disrupting

00:25:55.260 to the same degree they're doing here in California. And, you know, finally, people,

00:26:00.440 I think people are going to say, you know, we don't have a Republican anymore if they're going

00:26:03.820 to completely be asymmetrical in the application of the law. And Joe Biden is beating this. And this

00:26:10.260 is, you know, this was fan of the 2.0 speech he gave the other day. He's beating this, this January

00:26:16.400 six dead horses, just on and on and on. And I think it's the more that he does it, the least people

00:26:24.300 are going to like it. And I think it's already starting to get very tired. And yeah, it's not

00:26:31.760 going to work. And yeah, and I think a lot of people are starting to get worried in the Democratic

00:26:35.840 Party. They're going, you know, do we really want to set these precedents where you impeach a first

00:26:41.020 term president when you go after your opponent and try to get him off the ballot? Do you really want

00:26:47.100 to do that? Do you really want to go after a private citizen, a president after he's left office

00:26:54.420 and try him in the Senate after he's been impeached? Do we really want to do all of that? Because Joe

00:26:59.320 Biden and a lot of people on the left would be culpable and perhaps exposed to the same type of

00:27:04.800 treatment they dished out for Trump. I think their problem right now is when they're talking about

00:27:09.340 Trump as a dictator, they're thinking, if I were Donald Trump and I know what we did to him,

00:27:18.240 I know what I would do. I would get back at people if I got elected. And so they project what they

00:27:23.640 would do if they were Trump. And I don't think Trump really, I mean, for all the crudity and stuff he

00:27:28.160 says, I don't, he's never been as vindictive as they have. And he didn't weaponize the government,

00:27:32.700 but they keep accusing him because that's exactly what they would do in his position right now if they

00:27:38.340 got power again and what they're doing right now while they have power. Just to correct,

00:27:44.700 Jacob Blake was shot by police after he pulled a knife on them after having resisted arrest and

00:27:50.380 gotten into a fistfight with them. And that's who she called a hero. He later admitted to pulling a

00:27:57.080 knife on cops in an interview with Michael Strahan over on Good Morning America. The other thing is,

00:28:04.080 here's what he said. Here's what he was saying at Valley Forge Biden on Friday.

00:28:07.280 Political violence is never, ever acceptable in the United States political system. Never,

00:28:14.260 never, never. It has no place in a democracy. None. Political violence is never, ever acceptable.

00:28:21.140 I mean, you could really ask him, then why did you, why did you select this woman as your vice

00:28:26.540 president? Why did you make her your vice president since she's been out there helping people like

00:28:31.380 Jacob Blake and praising him and since she was helping the Minneapolis rioters? And you yourself

00:28:38.660 didn't seem too upset about the burning down of the police precincts or the courthouse, right? It's like,

00:28:44.120 it's never acceptable, I guess, when it happens on the Capitol steps. Is that the one area that upsets you?

00:28:51.460 Because, you know, the Democrats didn't seem too disturbed by all those other instances you and I just

00:28:56.560 discussed. All right, wait, let me just shift gears because I want to tell you what Trump just said

00:28:59.720 about the immunity hearing before the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. He came out, he said,

00:29:05.340 he promised that he would be there and he was there. And this is sort of a window because when

00:29:09.140 all these criminal cases unfold next year, he's going to have to be there. He has to sit in the

00:29:12.840 courthouse for every day of those criminal trials, no matter where they are, pulling him off the campaign

00:29:17.740 trail. So here's what he said in reaction to an argument that, again, was pretty tough on his side.

00:29:22.740 As a president, you have to have immunity. Very simple. And if you don't, as an example,

00:29:29.340 if this case were lost on immunity and I did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong,

00:29:35.500 I'm working for the country and I worked on very hard on voter fraud because we have to have free

00:29:42.600 elections. We have to have strong voters. We have to have free elections. Those two things

00:29:45.920 almost above all. He's also saying, Victor, in tweets or posts on Truth Social that Joe Biden

00:29:53.960 better watch it because if Trump loses this argument and a president is not immune from

00:29:59.620 criminal prosecution for acts taken as president, that if he wins again, he's going to be taking a

00:30:05.640 very long, hard look at what Joe Biden has done while the sitting president.

00:30:10.160 Yeah. Well, I mean, at some point, I don't want to be too partisan, but it's all predicated that

00:30:18.040 one side is not going to stoop down and respond in kind. So Republicans come in and they say,

00:30:25.180 you know, the filibuster, we're not going to just leave it alone, whether we're in the minority or

00:30:28.600 the majority, or they say, we don't need, we won't, we're not, we wouldn't dare pack the court,

00:30:32.940 even though they're putting in, they have a democratic president now, or we don't want to bring in new

00:30:38.160 states, or let's, we don't want to change the electoral college. But the left keeps trying to

00:30:43.400 make systematic and fundamental changes in the system. And now they've taken that to a new high

00:30:48.760 by removing people's name from the ballot and going after a president in a way that I don't think

00:30:56.640 anybody ever imagined they would do, whether it was even the records that the FBI performance aren't

00:31:02.380 great at Mar-a-Lago or the, you know, the, the latest one with Fannie Willis and, and Bragg and

00:31:12.780 Latita James. I don't think we've ever seen that before. And it's all predicated on, they would never

00:31:17.100 do that to us because we would say it was a miscarriage of justice or how dare you, or you're

00:31:22.160 a dictatorial. But at some point, somebody is going to say, you know what, like Ron DeSantis already

00:31:27.060 said it, Megan. He said, well, maybe our DAs would, our, our attorneys at the state level,

00:31:32.680 the attorney general will look at the insurrection at the border where the whole corpus of federal

00:31:37.980 immigration law was destroyed, even though these officers.

00:31:41.260 This is what Trump's saying too.

00:31:42.180 Yeah.

00:31:42.540 Trump's saying the same thing. He said, in part, he said, if I don't get immunity, then crooked Joe Biden

00:31:48.100 doesn't get immunity. And with the border invasion and Afghanistan's surrender alone, not to mention the

00:31:52.960 millions of dollars that went into his pockets with money from foreign countries, Joe would be

00:31:56.960 ripe for indictment by weaponizing the DOJ against his political opponent. Me, Joe has opened a giant

00:32:03.140 Pandora's box. Where is he wrong?

00:32:06.340 He's not. And I, if he, if he were to be elected and given what we know right now about the Biden family,

00:32:12.260 he could easily have a point, a special prosecutor with as much or as little relationship to him as

00:32:20.080 Merrick Garland has to Joe Biden. When Merrick Garland selected a, he could get his attorney

00:32:25.680 general and said, I need a special prosecutor to look at the entire Biden family after Biden is out

00:32:32.480 of office. He could do that very easily. And I don't think these people ever realized that somebody

00:32:38.080 would act to them like they act to others because they keep thinking, well, the Republicans are going

00:32:42.900 to play by the markets of Queensbury rules. We control the media. We control academia. We control

00:32:47.380 the social media. We have all the levers of influence. Ha, ha, ha. We're going to keep doing

00:32:52.660 this. And finally, the people are going to, it doesn't work when you have a buffoonish riot. Obviously,

00:32:58.340 that was a terrible thing to do, but it does work when you say, okay, we don't want to do this because

00:33:03.240 we know where it leads. It's a tit for tat descent into a third world mess, quagmire. But if you keep

00:33:10.980 weaponizing the federal government and politics and local and state government and courts, we have

00:33:18.000 no choice because we're not going to roll over and surrender the country to you. And I don't think

00:33:22.300 they get that message yet, but they may soon.

00:33:26.940 Hmm. Just ask my team, what is the statute of limitations on federal claims, federal cases of

00:33:36.720 bribery? Uh, so let's just, you know, just for kicks, just thinking back, I mean, we're past it,

00:33:42.620 right? Because it's been more than five years since Biden was vice president. That's what we'd be

00:33:49.380 talking about since he was vice president. Yeah. But I think that Trump's saying, I'll look at things

00:33:54.060 you did while president and I'll get there. And you can be imaginative too on things like

00:33:58.140 racketeering or influence peddling that don't have to be just bribery. That's what all these cases are

00:34:04.480 based on taking statutes and using them in a way that was never intended when the statute was

00:34:10.320 passed by a legislature. And that's what they did, especially, especially the ballot. Nobody in their

00:34:16.920 right mind ever thought anybody would try that. And, and so I think they, they, they, uh, they have

00:34:24.340 contempt for what they consider the, I guess the deplorables, the clingers, the irredeemables,

00:34:29.820 these people are, they're not capable of matching our wits or sophistication. We're just going to

00:34:34.600 keep doing this because we're elites and we're better than they are. And we're going to manipulate

00:34:38.820 the law. We have, we can do what we want. And at some point, and that's some points always been

00:34:43.720 reached because Donald Trump was dead, even if not behind. As you remember when you had DeSantis and

00:34:49.340 Trump and talking to him, it was a kind of a, a close race that at least in the polls, and that's

00:34:54.740 over with as far as the, the closeness. Donald Trump surged ahead when they did this. And that

00:34:59.980 doesn't mean it won't also happen in the general election. So I think the people are trying to say,

00:35:05.280 you know what, if we let these people have power again and what they're doing to the country,

00:35:09.820 it's not going to be recognizable. And that, and I don't even think they know what they're doing yet.

00:35:15.440 I really don't think they understand the pushback or the backlash that's occurring right in the,

00:35:20.720 under their noses. They're not aware of it.

00:35:22.360 Oh, they think it's going to be limited to the primary selection. You know, the primary voters

00:35:26.220 are going to pick Trump who they think is imminently beatable. So let's get gin them up.

00:35:30.640 They'll make Trump the nominee. And then the general electorate, including independents,

00:35:34.460 will find all of this a bridge too far. Don't bank on it right now. The independents are siding

00:35:39.240 with Trump. They're mad too, about the weaponization of democracy of America's courts. That's another

00:35:46.000 thing he said, in addition to trying to claim that, as I said, political violence is never acceptable in

00:35:51.880 the United States. Well, you seem to have been fine with it in many, many instances.

00:35:55.980 He claimed at this Valley Forge speech he gave, Democrats are fighting to protect the right to

00:36:01.680 vote. We're fighting to protect the right to vote. Again, this is harping on J6.

00:36:07.740 I'll say what Donald Trump won't. Political violence is never,

00:36:11.820 ever acceptable in the United States political system. Never, never, never.

00:36:15.700 Literally, as they're taking Trump off the ballot or trying to take him off in more than a dozen

00:36:23.680 states. And there was a poll just out the other day, over 80 percent of Democrats say his name

00:36:29.880 should be removed from the ballots. It's not some fringe secretary of state in Maine and some rogue

00:36:35.360 court out in Colorado. It's some 80 percent of Democrats say, get him off the ballot. He doesn't

00:36:41.420 deserve to be there. He's an insurrectionist. So people are not going to believe this. I mean,

00:36:45.800 maybe Democrats are especially when you can say the ones who are going to decide the election.

00:36:49.860 I think the determinative factor there is when they say he's an insurrectionist. I mean,

00:36:54.620 he's never been charged with insurrection. He's much less than he's been convicted.

00:36:58.300 So they're setting a precedent that you can say almost you can say Joe Biden's insurrections.

00:37:02.820 You can say almost anybody is an insurrectionist if you don't have to charge the person and have

00:37:07.540 him convicted. And of course, if you read the statute, it almost implies that the

00:37:11.320 it was intended to bring an insurrectionary conviction or something like that to the

00:37:17.560 Congress, who then would enforce the statute. It didn't. It was never intended for a local

00:37:23.240 or a state attorney general just to say, in my considered opinion, I think the leading candidate

00:37:29.320 of the opposition to my own political party is guilty of what I think is insurrection. And so I'm

00:37:35.560 going to take him off the ballot. How's that? Nobody in their right mind would have ever.

00:37:39.180 And not even a lawyer, not even a lawyer, not even elected, not a lawyer photographed with Obama and

00:37:45.360 Biden smiling. And it's just it's almost an insult to people. And I think it's getting to the point

00:37:50.300 of mockery. And I don't think they understand what's going on. There's a lot of centrifugal

00:37:55.880 forces are going on at once now with all these Palestinian protests. Here in California, we had

00:38:01.700 the National Cemetery in Los Angeles, Veterans Cemetery, defaced with graffiti that got a lot of people

00:38:08.040 mad. Golden Gate Bridge was shut down. And then you have the pathetic testimony of these three

00:38:15.120 university presidents, the Claudine Gay pledge. It's just all coalescing and people in DSG, DEI,

00:38:22.380 everybody's saying, you know, ESG, DEI, I just want out of it. It's just too much. And these people

00:38:29.340 are crazy. And we've got to have a normalizing reaction to get back to what we were. It's not,

00:38:36.240 the center is not holy, Megan. And I think you can see that abroad. You see it with Lloyd Austin,

00:38:42.020 you see that something's wrong in the country where people feel that they're exempt from

00:38:46.500 accountability and they can freelance, they can do anything they want, whether on the crime level,

00:38:51.200 smash and grab or going into LA and Compton, destroying a bakery with complete exemption or

00:38:56.340 what. And I think people are just saying, you know what? We either have a country and civilization or

00:39:02.440 we don't. And we've seen that before. We saw it in 1972. We saw it in 1980 when people all of a sudden

00:39:10.920 wake up and say, no more. And I think that happened with Reagan and 80, with Carter, the

00:39:17.080 hostages and everybody. If you elect this man again, we're not going to have a country as we knew it.

00:39:21.820 And that's how Reagan. And that was a very close race until about five, four months before the

00:39:27.580 election. It comes very swiftly. You know, it's that old phrase from Hemingway's son also rises

00:39:34.100 gradually, then suddenly. And I think they don't realize it's getting gradual and gradual and

00:39:40.180 gradual. And people are going to wake up one day and say, no more. And you really see it with the

00:39:44.720 worry over the minority vote. And I think you can see Claiborne is terrified that you may have 20,

00:39:52.220 25% of the African-American vote, not vote for Biden, especially with these other candidates.

00:39:57.580 Third party. It's it's really unbelievable to me. You look around and it's like you've got.

00:40:04.720 You know, the weapon is it weaponization of the Justice Department without question,

00:40:08.100 you've got a non-existent border to where there are huge majorities of independents and Republicans

00:40:15.740 saying this is a disaster and has to be addressed right now. They don't want to do it. And the crime,

00:40:22.880 we've talked about that before, but you cannot go on X, formerly known as Twitter, without seeing

00:40:28.800 another person in another Democratic city posting a picture of their local Rite Aid or CVS or pick your

00:40:37.060 pharmacy store with everything locked up. It used to be just like condoms and pregnancy tests and like

00:40:46.440 stuff that might be embarrassing to buy that people would steal. Right now, it's literally

00:40:51.940 deodorant. It's everything, because apparently what they're doing is they steal it. I just heard

00:40:58.420 this from a friend of mine who lives in Brooklyn. What happens and then there's no enforcement,

00:41:03.460 absolutely no enforcement. The guards are told not to interact as the as the thief who's openly dumped

00:41:07.720 all the stuff that's not locked up into a backpack, walks out the door. Don't interact. We'll just call

00:41:12.620 the police and they'll deal with it, but they're never arrested. But what they're doing is they're

00:41:16.300 taking it all and then they're selling it on Amazon. So and we'll just allow it because I think

00:41:22.320 because cops are racists. That's I think how we got here. This is the new America. And you can see the

00:41:28.680 same thing on the board. Mr. Ovidar, the president of Mexico, you saw what he said yesterday. He said that

00:41:34.920 he was willing to deal with the Biden administration, but they would have to give him $20 billion. And then

00:41:43.160 they would have to give amnesty for 10 million people here in the United States to work. And then they would

00:41:49.680 have to recognize Venezuela and Cuba. And you want to say to him, can I ask you a question? Why didn't you make

00:41:57.500 those demands between 2017 and 2021? Was there a reason why you didn't? And why are you making them

00:42:04.880 now? And I think the answer is transparent that he was afraid of Donald Trump and that we have a power

00:42:13.000 to stop it right now. All we have to do is say we're going to slap a 10 or 20 percent income tax or

00:42:20.300 sales, whatever you want to call it on remittances. $60 billion go to Mexico. We could tax it at 20 percent

00:42:26.600 and get $12 billion. He would never say another word. Or we could just say to him, you know what,

00:42:32.480 we're going to deport all the people who came in under Biden. Eight million people are going to come

00:42:37.820 back to your country and you deal with them. Right back to you. Yeah. And then those demands sound

00:42:43.480 like somebody who's been sampling the product that is being made by the cartels. He knows. He knows.

00:42:47.980 Yeah, he does. And we and we say we take the Biden administration never says to him, wait a minute,

00:42:54.500 the largest source of foreign exchange, more than oil, more than tourism,

00:43:00.780 is remittances. $60 million, billion, billion go to you. And it's all subsidized by us because the

00:43:06.820 people who are sending it back are often on state and local aid, health, education, housing, food

00:43:13.200 supplements from us. So they can free up cash to help you that and you drove them out of your own

00:43:18.960 country because you wouldn't help them. And now you're profiting on it. And the second source

00:43:23.360 of foreign exchange is the cartels, $40 billion. And they're killing 100,000 Americans a year in

00:43:29.680 some ways, you could say. And we're not. And you think a president would go down there and tell him

00:43:34.160 that. And if he did tell him that, he would straighten up. He would control the border because

00:43:38.780 he wouldn't want to lose $60 billion. And he wouldn't want the cartels declared to be a foreign

00:43:43.760 terrorist organization where you could sanction anybody that had anything to do with them and shut

00:43:48.300 down their banking, shut down their financial. And that would be a lot of people in the Mexican

00:43:52.220 government. And so we have a lot of leverage, but I guess that's just, it just exemplifies this whole

00:43:58.160 administration, this idea that we're so utopian, we're going to be so nice to everybody. We're

00:44:03.820 going, and then they will, they will retort and they will reply to our magnanimity with similar

00:44:11.740 deference. And they don't, they look at it and they have contempt and for weakness, I guess,

00:44:17.160 I don't know what it is, but the Mexican government is almost telling us now, we're running Latin

00:44:23.460 America. We're going to send all these people up to your country. Oh, by the way, we want 60 billion

00:44:28.600 to continue. And another 60 billion goes to Latin America. And on top of the remittances, we want 20

00:44:34.020 billion. And then we want you to normalize relations with these cutthroat communist dictatorships in

00:44:41.880 Venezuela and Cuba. And if you do all that, we'll try to turn off the spigot a little bit and blink

00:44:49.060 and everybody's saying, well, these were constructed discussions. They're not, they're just blackmail.

00:44:55.700 Oh no. And you've got Mayorkas, I mean, going down to the border now because he's about to be impeached

00:45:00.120 saying, don't worry. Like everybody who goes through the process, you know, we keep track of them. We

00:45:07.340 know where they are. Hold on. I want to see it. We've got it. Yeah. It's not 12. It is very

00:45:13.420 important to understand that when an individual is released, they are released into immigration

00:45:20.000 enforcement proceedings where they can make a claim under the laws that Congress has passed.

00:45:28.180 Literally, we're turning them away over 85% of them with a court date to come back. That could be

00:45:35.480 eight to 10 years away. He's not being truthful. We are not keeping track of them. The American

00:45:43.720 people know these are lies. They do. And most importantly for the Democrats, and that's why

00:45:52.120 they're making the semblance of some concern is that people in blue cities, especially inner city

00:45:59.940 African Americans and Hispanics along the border who are directly impacted are starting to conclude

00:46:07.500 that this project is dreamed up by bi-coastal white, mostly white elites that are exempt from

00:46:14.360 the consequences of their own crazy ideology because of their influence and power and wealth.

00:46:18.740 And we're on the front lines when people impact our social services, crowd them, bilingual education

00:46:26.520 needed in our schools instead of advanced placement, no security, no audit. They lectured us about

00:46:33.000 everybody has to get a vaccination or else, and then people come in. On the one hand, they say,

00:46:38.800 COVID is back. COVID is back. We have to do this, but we're going to let in 8 million people without

00:46:43.040 even asking for a simple COVID test or vaccination. I think people are going to say, you know what?

00:46:48.520 This is more of a class thing than a race thing. This whole thing is now that these people feel they're entitled

00:46:56.260 and we don't really care what they say about blacks or Latinos.

00:47:00.800 Let me put some meat on those bones because you're exactly right. There's just a poll that came out from CBS News

00:47:06.540 and they asked how, first of all, the overall feeling on how Biden's doing on immigration, 75% say this is a

00:47:12.780 crisis or a very serious problem. 75% of the American electorate feels that way. When you break it down

00:47:18.540 by race, do you approve or disapprove of how Biden's doing? Whites disapprove 71%. Blacks disapprove 55 to

00:47:27.740 45. So a majority of blacks disapprove of how he's handling the border. Hispanics disapprove 70%,

00:47:35.200 almost exactly the same as whites, 70 to 30. Whites were 71 to 29. So this is not going to work that

00:47:41.220 all of the three major races here. Disapprove of how he's handling this and see it as a crisis.

00:47:49.460 81% of those who see this as a crisis or a serious problem say the thing they're most worried about

00:47:54.820 is national security. This, the, actually the number one answer was U S resources and ability

00:48:00.480 to handle more people. 86% said we were, we can't it. We're overwhelmed. So he, there's no spinning it,

00:48:08.340 Victor. That's the bottom line for this administration. No, there isn't. He's got to

00:48:11.220 do something different. Yeah. He's not a time warp. He keeps thinking that I'm going to talk

00:48:15.880 about January 6th ad nauseum. I'm going to talk about abortion and I'm going to call Donald Trump

00:48:21.520 and all of his supporters racist. And that's ossified now. And everybody's looking at what

00:48:26.280 he's actually done to destroy their lives with inflation and the border and crime and humiliation

00:48:31.460 abroad. And I think he doesn't understand what he's, what he's doing. He's not only hurting his

00:48:36.360 own chances. If he continues like this and the Republicans are halfway smart, and that's an if

00:48:42.260 they could win the Senate and the house and have a 1972, 1980 landslide if they were smart. And I

00:48:49.860 think they have a good shot at it. I don't think Biden understands. I think that I think a lot of

00:48:54.460 caucus clearly to keep this in the news and call attention to you if they're doing it via homeland

00:48:59.800 security, not justice. Wait, stand by because we have more to discuss on this issue, but I do have

00:49:03.860 to squeeze in a quick break. We'll be right back with Victor. So Victor, there was on the question

00:49:11.520 of immigration, there was a clip making the rounds on X the other day, and it's a couple years old,

00:49:16.640 but it's so telling. This is something Tucker's been saying all along as they accuse him of pushing

00:49:21.560 the great replacement theory that like all the white people are terrified about immigration only

00:49:26.840 because they don't want to be replaced by the brown skin people. And he keeps saying, I'm literally

00:49:32.880 just repeating what the Democrats have been saying they intend to do for years, that they they want

00:49:38.780 all these immigrants to come in. And it's most likely for political purposes, at least in part.

00:49:44.200 Um, and this clip that was going around on X is very telling. I had not seen it. It's from

00:49:51.880 Congresswoman Yvette Clark. She's from the ninth congressional district in New York. This is

00:49:56.300 the Brooklyn area. She's running for reelection. And at this point, she was talking about how she was

00:50:02.940 very pro accepting at that point. I think it was Haitians because, well, I'll let, I'll let you hear

00:50:10.080 directly from her. Take a listen. And from Brooklyn, New York, we have a diaspora that that can absorb

00:50:18.080 a significant number of these migrants. And I bet, you know, when I hear colleagues talk about, uh,

00:50:24.880 you know, the, the, the, the doors of the end being closed, um, no room in the end, I I'm saying,

00:50:31.680 you know, I, I need more people in my district, but just for redistricting purposes,

00:50:35.920 and those members could could clearly, uh, fit here.

00:50:40.080 It's really nice to hear people say it out loud.

00:50:44.640 Yeah. I mean, it's funny because they call it when they accuse somebody of being worried about

00:50:52.120 that sentiment, they call it, oh, as you said, white people, the great replacement theory,

00:50:57.540 conspiracy, all this, but they brag about it because they write books with titles,

00:51:01.620 Demography is Destiny, or the, and remember that I think that was a really bestseller,

00:51:05.620 the new democratic majority, uh, Roy Texera and others. And they said, this is the future of

00:51:12.340 America. So they, they were bragging about what they thought would be a monolithic group of

00:51:18.400 immigrants. It would come illegally be, you know, eight, 10, 20, and maybe we have 20 million plus.

00:51:24.860 Now we have the largest number of people I know who weren't born in the United States, I think 53

00:51:29.460 million of different statuses. And that's higher than any percentage in history, 13.8% or something

00:51:35.620 here in California, Megan, 27% of the population was not born in the United States. So that's an

00:51:41.540 enormous task of assimilation and integration, but not, it's not possible when people come in such

00:51:47.440 numbers and they're not diverse. They don't know English in some cases, they don't have skills,

00:51:51.820 they don't have capital. We, the host have junked the melting pot for the salad bowl. And so that's

00:51:57.680 what it's, we just take them at what they're saying and not, and not try to impugn people's

00:52:02.220 motives and being worried about it. I think people on the right are concerned. They don't care what

00:52:07.160 people look like, the superficial appearance, but they do want people to come, uh, with the idea that

00:52:13.680 you'd left your country for a reason and you came here and we didn't invite you. You ask us to come

00:52:20.140 and therefore we want to assimilate and integrate and understand your country rather than set foot

00:52:26.680 in it and immediately large grievances against you for your history or traditions or your, and that

00:52:32.800 doesn't work. And I think that's why people, uh, are very upset. And then it's kind of patently obvious.

00:52:38.600 Well, this is part of the problems in accepting large numbers from the Middle East, zero desire to

00:52:43.060 integrate into America's culture and customs for the most part. They want us to change. It's a no.

00:52:49.400 Um, stay where you are. If that's what you want. No, it is. I remember, remember the MIT people said,

00:52:54.980 why didn't you, when those people were going after Jewish students and threatening them and you were

00:53:01.080 telling Jewish students, there's certain places on the MIT campuses that aren't safe. Why didn't you

00:53:06.000 expel those people? And they said, well, if we did, then their student status might be questionable

00:53:12.120 and they would be subject to forced return to the Middle East. And everybody thought, well, yeah,

00:53:16.840 that would be a good thing. It would set the example to encourage other people not to follow

00:53:21.780 that behavior. I don't understand the idea of guests coming into a country and then making demands

00:53:26.840 or dictating to the host, what they're going to do. It's just never happened. It's just crazy.

00:53:32.420 It's like somebody coming over for a dinner party at your house and you changing all your furniture.

00:53:36.780 It's like, get out, go back to your house. Yeah. Getting a great meal and saying, oh,

00:53:41.880 by the way, I didn't like that. You cooked the steak a little bit too much. Give me another one.

00:53:46.460 I don't think people like that.

00:53:48.640 So there was, um, that CBS poll I told you about in which 75% of the U.S. population

00:53:53.980 representative poll sample say it's either a crisis or a very serious problem down at the Southern

00:53:58.780 border. Um, they were asked, the voters were asked, generally speaking, do you think that the

00:54:03.720 recent immigrants who've been crossing the U S Mexico border will make American society better

00:54:09.160 in the long run, worse in the long run, or won't have much of an effect either way. And, uh, a

00:54:14.400 plurality here, 48% say it's going to make it worse. Almost half say it's going to make it worse.

00:54:20.520 Only 22% say better and remaining 30 say, I guess it won't have an effect one way or the other,

00:54:27.000 but you've got huge numbers of the American population that think this is a serious problem

00:54:32.440 and want him to do something about it. And he doesn't talk about it, right? He's,

00:54:37.040 he's having his Homeland security secretary lie. Mayorkas don't worry. Oh, they're in the system.

00:54:44.200 85% are released in back into society and never to be seen again. So they're lying to us. But

00:54:52.700 what Biden's been doing this week is trying to, and I've heard you talk about this. He is getting

00:54:58.160 smart. He's starting to realize running on Bidenomics, talking about how we've secured the

00:55:05.160 border, which is what his team has been saying as well from Kamala to Mayorkas isn't working.

00:55:11.240 So we're going to have to do something else. And what he's doing now, I think in part,

00:55:15.540 at least is smart. Um, I don't know about January 6th. I share your skepticism about the people

00:55:20.700 believing, and I think they're, they're ready to move on, but Trump's a demon. You know,

00:55:25.920 there's a certain segment of the independent base that's going to go. Yeah, he was a lot of drama.

00:55:30.800 Yeah. He was a hassle. He does. He does a lot of stuff I don't like. So he's Biden starting to get

00:55:36.740 it. Maybe in part because Obama visited him this weekend and apparently said, I don't like the way

00:55:41.260 the campaign's going. You have to run it out in a different way and from a different place.

00:55:45.240 And we'll get to what Michelle is saying, but here's the other thing he was doing. He's doing,

00:55:50.360 he did it on Monday. He's stoking the racial fire. Oh, the Democrats love this trick.

00:55:55.920 It's their very, very favorite one. It's delivered for them time and time again.

00:56:00.800 So he goes, um, to give this speech and it's at the site, the Emanuel church where this disgusting

00:56:08.980 shooter shot up a bunch of parishioners who took him in and were good to him,

00:56:13.380 tried to take care of him and he murdered them in cold blood. It was 2015, Barack Obama eulogized,

00:56:19.520 uh, one of the dead. And he decided to go back there to speak about politics in our country

00:56:27.000 yesterday. And he gets up there and try, you know, by the way, it was a mixed crowd race-wise,

00:56:34.300 but he talks to them as if it's an entirely black crowd and trying to message to them that Trump hates

00:56:41.660 them. Trump is the one who would be a problem for them. Here's the message in part and sought one.

00:56:46.300 In their world, these Americans, including you, don't count. But that's not the real world. That's

00:56:53.840 not democracy. That's not America. In America, we all count. In America, we witness to serve

00:56:59.820 all those who, in fact, participate. And losers are taught to concede when they lose. He's a loser.

00:57:08.900 You don't count. I mean, to me, it's a clear pander to the black vote, which Newsweek and

00:57:19.100 Bloomberg, but Newsweek reporting right now, Trump is poised to win more black votes than any Republican

00:57:24.340 in U.S. history. And there's a reason for that. And the first thing you know is that Joe Biden only

00:57:32.760 becomes animated, and he comes to life out of his Somnist state when he's attacking MAGA people. He

00:57:40.140 doesn't do that without Iran. He doesn't get that angry at Hamas or Hezbollah. He doesn't even get

00:57:45.860 to map that at Putin or the Chinese. It's only the MAGA people that get him—his eyes tighten up.

00:57:53.120 He gets angry. He starts grinning. He starts yelling and screaming. He almost has moments of clarity.

00:57:59.040 He's so animated. And that's very strange that he does that. He hates half the country and just

00:58:05.340 viscerally dislikes them. The second thing is that, again, it's projection. This is that we have never

00:58:11.860 had a president that has such a history of racist and indiscreet statements as Joe Biden. Since he's

00:58:20.560 been president, he's called, at least on two occasions, African-American subordinates boy. He's

00:58:26.780 called him boy. And then he came in on the campaign trail saying to two journalists, one

00:58:32.580 a podcaster, you ain't black. And the other person, he said, you're a junkie. And then he gave that

00:58:39.880 racist corn pop yarn. During the 2008 campaign, he said that Barack Obama was the first president

00:58:47.100 who was black, a major black candidate who was articulate. And he said he was the first one

00:58:52.340 who was clean. He praised James O. Eastman, Herman Talmadge, all of these people with the

00:58:59.220 segregation of Sprint. Robert Berg, he said they were great people because they never called me boy.

00:59:05.440 They always said son. He said the most ridiculous thing. He got in front of a group of very accomplished

00:59:10.940 professionals. I think you remember that, Megan, in the 2012 election. He said, Mitt Romney will put

00:59:17.800 you back in chains. Put you all. And then he faked like Hillary did with this black patois. Put you

00:59:23.660 all. Really in a condescending manner to really accomplish professionals. They had to sit there

00:59:28.620 and get lectured by this racist. So I don't think it's going to work. I think people in the black

00:59:33.380 community remember all of that. And yes, he's a Democrat. And yes, they have Democratic Party

00:59:39.420 loyalty. But I think there's going to be a lot of people that look at what the country was like

00:59:45.080 economically and crime wise before Joe Biden took over. He's yeah. And I think they play this as I

00:59:50.920 say every election. They play this card, but they do. He's we're going to hear a lot about it over

00:59:56.320 the next year because it's one of the only things left available to him, at least in his mind. But

01:00:00.820 and Barack Obama does James Clyburn. He gave it up. He's from South Carolina. He's the one who

01:00:06.640 helped Biden win South Carolina. And that's the presidency. And he gave it up on CNN State of the

01:00:12.120 Union on Sunday when asked about the black vote. Take a listen to this and stop five.

01:00:17.440 How worried are you about black voters showing up for President Biden in November?

01:00:24.700 Well, I'm not worried. I'm very concerned. And I have sat down with President Biden and I've

01:00:31.040 told him what my concerns are. I have no problem with the Biden administration and what it has done.

01:00:39.300 My problem is that we have not been able to break through that MAGA wall in order to get to people

01:00:49.300 exactly what this president has done.

01:00:53.440 OK, not worried, but very concerned.

01:00:57.980 And yeah, and the subtext of his worry is a that for all the criticisms of Donald Trump,

01:01:03.880 he created kind of a nationalist populist party that is starting for the first time to transcend race.

01:01:10.380 And it's a party of the lower, middle and upper middle class. And he demolished the stereotype that

01:01:16.300 everybody was a Mitt Romney out on the golf course, even though he himself was a billionaire and loves

01:01:21.160 golf. But he was able to pull it off that it's a populist movement. And that had class appeal to

01:01:27.020 people of all different races. And that's one thing. And the second thing is that he understands

01:01:33.080 that while Barack Obama, maybe even Hillary Clinton can go into a black church and adopt a black

01:01:40.140 dialect and be accepted and feel sincere, I don't think Joe Biden can do it, not just because

01:01:46.740 he's cognitively challenged, but because he has a record of being insensitive on racial matters.

01:01:54.620 And people know that. And so he comes off artificial. He comes off phony. He comes off

01:02:00.520 mean spirited. And even people, when he's trying to be pandered to you, when you look at his face

01:02:06.660 and you see his animation, you remember what he said. He can't pull it off in the way that other

01:02:11.380 Democratic politicals could. And so I think he's in a doom loop. The more that he tries to pander to

01:02:16.600 these groups, the more insincere and artificial he seems.

01:02:20.120 Okay. Can I show you, speaking of pandering, listen to sought to at the same event.

01:02:26.500 I'm determined to continue to deliver unequal justice under the law. I made a commitment

01:02:33.040 to you to nominate the first black woman, and Jim's already talked about it, on the Supreme

01:02:37.920 Court. And by the way, she's smarter than the rest of these guys. Oh, her name is Ketanji

01:02:45.520 Brown Jackson.

01:02:46.360 Oh, my God. Oh, my God, Victor. I'm so I'm humiliated for her. You know, you just not what

01:02:54.480 you want. I would die. Somebody was like, Megan Kelly, you know, one of the first news anchors

01:03:00.080 to X. And, you know, she did it better than all the guys. Stop it. That's insulting. Don't

01:03:06.060 make that comparison.

01:03:08.100 And the last time he did this, of course, he announced right after George Floyd's death,

01:03:13.080 he wanted to pander and exploit that. So he said he's going to have the first black woman

01:03:18.480 vice president. And before he cleared that with anybody, they looked around. And there

01:03:22.800 wasn't a lot of accomplished politicos in the Senate or governorships that qualified. He

01:03:27.700 looked at Stacey Abrams. He thought, wow, she's an election denialist. I can't pick her. And

01:03:33.060 we ended up with Kamala Harris, who hadn't been properly vetted. And so it doesn't it never

01:03:38.460 works when you announce that somebody's gender or race or the primary qualification where

01:03:45.120 they get that job, because then that's not the end of it. That's the beginning.

01:03:48.900 Clotting gay.

01:03:49.220 And if the person happens to she's a perfect example, then you have to keep lying. And so

01:03:54.120 when you get clotting gay and she has plagiarism, then you have to say it's duplative language

01:03:59.880 or it's a misstep or it's just copy. You have to always lie further and further, further

01:04:05.200 because you went away from the essential truth. If you're the preeminent university

01:04:09.560 of the United States and you have these high standards that we're all supposed to honor

01:04:13.120 and worship, and you appoint somebody with only 11 articles who had a dubious record

01:04:18.360 to begin with, and then she's found out to be a plagiarist, and now you can't touch her

01:04:22.640 because you yourself said she's a black woman who deserves exemption and special, then you

01:04:27.620 destroy your reputation. And now look what happened on that case. Now they have a full professor

01:04:33.760 of political science on the Harvard faculty making 900,000 who has plagiarized 60% of her

01:04:41.040 meager academic record that wouldn't qualify in any other university for a full professorship

01:04:46.260 and tenure. And what do they do with her? The next Harvard student that cheats, do they

01:04:51.040 say, well, you did copy 11 passages, but you know what? It's duplative language, so we're

01:04:58.580 not going to kick you out. Or it's not as bad as Claudine Gay, and she's a professor on the

01:05:04.200 faculty. That's where they are.

01:05:08.060 Yeah. Well, I mean, speaking of prominent women of color who are in the national news,

01:05:14.320 Michelle Obama has resurfaced. And I have to say, this one's very interesting, because we

01:05:21.660 get the report that Barack Obama went and spoke with Biden over the weekend saying the

01:05:26.820 direction of the campaign is not right, which he's right. I mean, obviously Biden's losing

01:05:32.220 now to Trump in all seven of the swing states by considerable margin in several of them, several

01:05:36.580 of them that Biden won the last time. So the swing has been dramatic. And there's no obvious

01:05:41.440 plan other than the one I just outlined, black people and maybe J6 to right that ship. Enter

01:05:49.840 Michelle Obama, all the speculation about whether Biden can make it. And he got lost even at the

01:05:54.360 last event. He was wandering around on the stage when he made his January 6 remarks. Jill Biden had

01:05:58.860 to save him. Enter Michelle Obama, who sits down on this popular podcast, though I've never heard of

01:06:03.260 it, but apparently it's popular with this guy. She has nothing to promote. She has no book. She has

01:06:09.520 no event. So that means she called them and said, I have something to say. And she very clearly has

01:06:16.200 somebody to say. The only question is why she's saying it, to help Joe Biden or to help herself

01:06:21.280 to lay the foundation for her emergence on the national scene in some political way.

01:06:28.380 Here's in part what she said to Jay Shetty on his On Purpose podcast, SOC 20.

01:06:34.840 You wonder, where are people, where are we in this? You know, where are our hearts? What's going to

01:06:40.960 happen in this next election? I am terrified about what could possibly happen because our leaders

01:06:47.160 matter. Who we select, who speaks for us, who holds that bully pulpit. It affects us in ways that

01:06:55.080 sometimes I think people take for granted. You know, the fact that people think that government,

01:07:00.580 you know, it doesn't really even do anything. And I'm like, oh my God, does government do everything

01:07:07.820 for us? And we cannot take this democracy for granted. And sometimes I, I worry that we do.

01:07:15.880 Victor, just a couple, like two observations. I'll give you the floor. Number one, all the things

01:07:22.020 she's talking about to kick it off are about rhetoric. Who speaks for us? Who has the bully pulpit?

01:07:28.700 That's all her husband did. That's all he had. He, he was talent, a talented orator. So no wonder

01:07:35.120 she's touting that as like the thing we need in a president who cares, right? Be nice if he could

01:07:41.120 speak, if he could sort of rally America, uh, and, and its fans to, to back us. But that's not really

01:07:48.220 what we're electing in a president. We'd really like policies that make sense. And then her second

01:07:52.140 point, government does everything. That's her vision. They do it all, everything. That's what we

01:07:59.360 need. It's like, that's going to be her platform. Yeah. That's Elizabeth Warren. You know, you didn't

01:08:05.600 build that. We, we, in the government made your fortune for you. You know, and it's funny because

01:08:10.500 she's saying that we need a bully pulpit, but she just got a whiff of the bully pulpit with Joe Biden.

01:08:16.360 There was no one, no one has given a speech more demagogic, more hostile, more what she, more left

01:08:23.460 wing. And she's looking at that right out in the aftermath. And she's saying, uh, I, I, we need a

01:08:29.940 bull pulpit. And again, the subtext is, well, he had the right message, but he lacks Barack's rhetorical

01:08:37.280 flourishes to get that clinger type message across to people, how much he despises them. And then the

01:08:42.960 other thing is, you know, she just came off a junket. I think you remember Megan, she went to Berlin,

01:08:49.660 and a private leftist group asked her to speak. And it was for $750,000 for 60 minutes. It worked

01:08:56.860 out to about $12,000 a minute. And it was very funny about her because I only bring this up because

01:09:02.600 in that interview, I think you remember, she was making fun of capitalism. She said it's supposed

01:09:07.560 to trickle down, but it doesn't even trickle down now. And I'm thinking we, you went, you just made

01:09:13.300 $12,500 a minute. And you know what, Michelle, you were asked to speak on DEI, but you

01:09:19.580 didn't speak on E, you only spoke on D and I. The title of your speech was diversity

01:09:24.780 and inclusion. But why didn't you put equity in there? Because it's pretty unequal for you

01:09:31.800 to get $12,500, which is more than most people in the world make an entire year. You made in a

01:09:37.840 minute. And so they have this bad habit, the Obamas, that every time there's a social justice

01:09:43.860 question, whether it was George Floyd or economic downturn, they appear. Sometimes they appear from

01:09:51.280 Calorama, sometimes from Martha's Vineyard, sometimes from the new Hawaii mansion, sometimes

01:09:56.300 from their old Chicago digs. But they come out and they lecture the country on its illiberal

01:10:01.620 tendency. And it doesn't work anymore. People think, you know what, you guys cashed in. You're

01:10:07.140 among the upper, upper, upper 1%. You've got four homes. You've got this huge estate. You're

01:10:14.540 right on, you know, global warming is going to flood the beaches of America, but you're

01:10:19.060 right on Martha's Vineyard coast. And now you're at Hawaii beach. You're hypocrites. And so don't

01:10:24.780 lecture us anymore about the evils of capitalism when you got rich exploiting your name and influence

01:10:33.200 in office by dealing with capitalists. You're a hyper-capitalist. So I don't think she's going

01:10:38.520 to be convincing. I don't think she's going to run. I think she's going to titillate or tease

01:10:43.760 or suggest that she might be a public intellectual and comment. But when it comes to actually getting

01:10:48.900 out on the campaign trail, she doesn't have the skills that her husband did. If you remember

01:10:54.860 in the 2008 campaign, she started to do that, just like she did in that interview. And she said,

01:11:01.080 you know, she's never been proud of the country until Barack, they set the bar. They always raise

01:11:06.760 the bar on me. This is a downright mean country. And then all of a sudden she vanished. They didn't

01:11:13.020 let her say anything. And she became the nice popular Michelle and her memoir. But I don't think

01:11:19.780 she wants to endanger that popularity by getting back into politics because there's where she really

01:11:25.920 reveals her sentiments and basically a contempt for a lot of what America is.

01:11:32.660 Very interesting. I mean, I wonder if she's, I do think she's a powerful democratic weapon,

01:11:37.040 but she wasn't powerful enough to stop Trump in 2016. It's not like she stayed quiet then. She was

01:11:44.220 very clearly against him. Didn't work. Whether it works this time as a pundit, I remain skeptical.

01:11:52.720 But if she comes out as a candidate, it's a whole new ballgame because there's no question she's more

01:11:57.780 talented than Joe Biden is politically. No question. So very interesting. She should resurface

01:12:04.520 now. The only question is how far does that go? Okay. A couple of the things I want to get to while

01:12:08.640 I have you. There is a CNN poll out today showing that Nikki Haley is within seven points of Trump in

01:12:16.640 New Hampshire. Now everybody's saying, Oh my gosh, Chris Christie needs to drop out because he has 12%

01:12:22.620 in New Hampshire. And I think there were, there were some polls showing something like 85% of those would

01:12:28.220 go to Haley if he dropped out. So let's say his 12% went to Haley and she went from 32 to 44 Trump's at

01:12:35.980 39. Okay. But what about Vivek? He has 8%. Maybe he would then drop out. Do you think his 8% would go

01:12:46.080 to Nikki Haley and her 44? No, it'd probably go to Trump who then would have 47 to her 44. Like

01:12:52.360 people are playing the game of she's almost there. Why can't one of these other guys drop out to put

01:12:58.920 her over the edge and DeSantis too. He has 5% in New Hampshire. Okay. If he dropped out, his support is

01:13:04.040 probably going to Trump. They're probably not going to Nikki Haley or they're not going to vote. In any

01:13:07.800 event, some sect of the Republican party still believes that she can do this. Victor, are you

01:13:14.020 one of them? I'm not. I think this is reminds me so much of 2016 when everybody said, count the

01:13:21.920 percentages up. If you count up all the candidates, all they have to do is coalesce and then they'll

01:13:27.920 have more than Donald Trump and he will stop him. And they might be close, but it doesn't work that

01:13:33.860 way. It's sort of like the old Aesop's fable about the mice have to put a bell on a cat.

01:13:38.140 Great idea, but who's the mouse who's going to do it? Who's the people who are going to drop out?

01:13:42.800 And they don't want to drop out because they get attention. Otherwise they'll never have in

01:13:46.460 their lives again. I think what's happening though, is a lot of donors who may have not thought

01:13:53.780 DeSantis would check Trump. These are the kind of independent or never Trumpers or whatever term,

01:14:00.320 either of encouragement or disparagement. I don't know what the term is, but they have shifted now.

01:14:06.200 And I've talked to a lot of them. They're giving a lot of money to Haley, a lot. And she's out,

01:14:11.000 I think she's even outspending Donald Trump. She's out, she's just flooding the airwaves in Iowa

01:14:16.520 and New Hampshire. And that will result in a mild uptick. But whether she will beat DeSantis,

01:14:23.880 I'm not sure she will in Iowa. And I don't, maybe she will in New Hampshire, but then I don't think

01:14:29.980 there's a trajectory here. Maybe she's running for vice president. She hasn't ruled that out.

01:14:34.040 DeSantis has ruled that out. She hasn't. And maybe she's saying to Donald Trump, look,

01:14:40.080 there's a lot of money out there and they will give to me and they won't give to you. They're not

01:14:45.660 going to give you money, but they look at me as kind of a McCain Romney figure, a Bush figure.

01:14:51.340 And I can be your running mate someday and bring back the mainstream of the Republican Party

01:14:56.340 or the establishment. I shouldn't say mainstream anymore. And they have a lot of money that I

01:15:01.740 can bring. I don't know what her strategy is, but she's getting a surge because of the funding.

01:15:08.480 And it's, it's made her go up in the polls a little bit, but until they all, they all get

01:15:14.640 together and they say, only you are going to be the candidate tomorrow. And all of us will give

01:15:20.540 you a hundred percent support. Then they, there might be a chance or if there's a development.

01:15:26.740 Who thinks the vakes 8% is going to go to Nikki Haley? No way. That's not happening.

01:15:33.180 Obviously it's going to go to Donald Trump. I don't, you know, I'm not sure, but something

01:15:38.160 kind of amusing did happen. And before we get to New Hampshire, where she does have good numbers,

01:15:42.960 I mean, for sure, she's the only one giving Trump a run for his money in any of the early States.

01:15:46.720 But before we get to New Hampshire, which is second, we've got to go through Iowa.

01:15:50.640 Iowa's first. And right now, as you point out, she and DeSantis are, according to the latest poll,

01:15:54.880 tied for second. Trump's far and away the number, number one, though, uh, conservative leaders in

01:16:01.200 Iowa, the Iowa governor, they've endorsed DeSantis and they keep saying, don't, don't be surprised

01:16:06.700 if DeSantis manages a win, notwithstanding these numbers. So Nikki Haley does still have to campaign

01:16:11.600 in Iowa. And MSNBC ran this report showing how the latest event went. Here's just a snippet in

01:16:18.980 Sod 11. You look around me, technically, this is an event that was supposed to start in the last few

01:16:24.620 minutes. And of course it's empty. You've got empty chairs, stuff packed up in the corner and signs just

01:16:30.020 hanging on the wall. The only way you'd know that Nikki Haley was supposed to be here. They canceled

01:16:34.360 this event just a few minutes ago. Okay. So there's a question about whether that was because

01:16:41.840 nobody wants to see Nikki Haley in Iowa or because they're getting a massive snowstorm over the past

01:16:46.980 day or so, including today that has leading to a massive, I think it's like a, over a foot of snow

01:16:53.400 dumping, but here's, what's interesting. Here's just some color for you. You, we have to end this on a,

01:16:57.980 on a laugh. Um, Vivek Ramaswamy got all over her because after this, she canceled, um, an event

01:17:09.200 or two. Um, okay. That was the event she canceled. Oh, nobody came. So she canceled it. That's the

01:17:16.800 thing. And she's saying, oh, she had travel difficulties because of the storm. Others are

01:17:21.980 saying no one showed up, you know, and then the camp is saying, well, that's because of the snow too.

01:17:27.980 So then Vivek jumps in and starts to mock her saying, um, okay, she Nikki Haley canceled her

01:17:39.960 events in Sioux city, Iowa to avoid embarrassment. I'm headed to Sioux city for our event right now.

01:17:44.940 We're not canceling four events in Northwest Iowa, keeping them intact. If you can't handle the snow,

01:17:50.820 you can't handle Xi Jinping. He also posted, we're not going to let a little snow stop us.

01:17:56.520 I'm no snowflake. And then today he posted the following.

01:18:03.420 It now appears effectively impossible to safely get from Des Moines to Coralville for our first

01:18:08.920 event. We will postpone our visit and we'll make sure that we will return there again before the

01:18:14.180 caucus. We will resume our schedule today. As soon as it becomes possible to dry.

01:18:18.340 Yeah. I think all of the, I think everybody thought that because they're not Donald Trump,

01:18:27.800 they're all going to be charismatic. And the most charismatic was Nikki Haley, but with the slave

01:18:33.520 remark and about the civil war. And then she said, I turn on different personalities or characters in

01:18:39.040 different places. And Iowa needs to be corrected. I think she's got a lot more scrutiny. I think the

01:18:44.360 biggest question on number two is, can Ron DeSantis appeal to independence better than she can appeal

01:18:51.280 to the base? And I think that's true, that he can, he can win independence more than she can win the

01:18:59.580 base. If she were nominated, fairly or not, I would vote for her. She's not my favorite candidate, but I

01:19:06.160 would vote for her over Biden. But I think there's a lot of people in the MAGA base that would not vote

01:19:10.760 for, but I do think people, yes. And I do think independence that would vote for her, if DeSantis

01:19:17.340 was the number candidate, they would vote for him as well as the MAGA, he has the MAGA base.

01:19:23.280 So I think he's the more viable by far candidate. If you look at that point, if it was, if it was

01:19:28.940 between the two, I don't, I'm worried about her. If she were to get the nomination, I don't think she

01:19:34.240 will, but I, and I've talked to people and I've said, I, you have to vote for, if she were to get it,

01:19:39.500 you would surely vote for her over Joe Biden and this neo-socialist agenda. And they say, no, I

01:19:44.080 wouldn't. And they're serious. And so I think you probably encountered that sometimes, but I don't,

01:19:50.600 I think this is all rhetorical because unless she's got some plan up her sleeve that we haven't seen,

01:19:55.800 it's, it's Trump's. I mean, you know, it's Trump and only Trump. So she didn't just today get the

01:20:01.060 endorsement of Judge Judy. Well, you know, I love Judge Judy, but she also endorsed Mike Bloomberg. So she

01:20:06.880 doesn't have the best political track record, Victor. Anyway, look, here's my message. I know

01:20:11.660 you're a Californian. I'm an upstate New York girl. First 10 years in Syracuse, back to Syracuse for

01:20:17.640 college, all the rest in Albany. We don't cancel events there unless we got three feet of snow.

01:20:23.340 We are tough as they come. I would have been at the event because you know what? At Syracuse University,

01:20:29.100 they didn't cancel classes. They put up rope toes so you could pull yourself to school.

01:20:36.860 It's an insane part of the country to grow up in. I know Iowans are tough, but these politicians

01:20:41.040 flying in, maybe not as much. You cancel with one inch, of course, right? California, they're not

01:20:47.500 prepared. That I understand. Anyway, fun to watch it unfold. You got to get the last where you can.

01:20:53.340 Victor, it's such a pleasure. Thanks for being here.

01:20:55.260 Thank you for having me, Megan. I enjoyed it.

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01:21:56.300 I'm taking your calls today. 833-44-MEGYN or 833-446-3496. Bunch of people already on the line,

01:22:10.040 so let's get right to them. And we've got some more Michelle Obama for you. But Jim in Virginia

01:22:14.860 has got thoughts on whether Michelle is likely to run for president. What do you think, Jim?

01:22:21.260 Ain't like the Dickens for Biden? Yes. I think that's kind of an emergency call from Biden and his campaign

01:22:29.740 for help because they're losing pretty bad in several states that they prior had won.

01:22:37.440 And I don't think they would get by with the shenanigans that was pulled in the last election.

01:22:45.440 I'm sorry about that. I'm a truck driver, ma'am. No worries.

01:22:50.160 I don't think they'd get by with it like they did last time.

01:22:54.720 And thank you for taking my call. You don't think she's going to run? You think this is just a Hail Mary help?

01:23:01.460 I think that's what it is, pretty much.

01:23:04.020 Would you be worried? If she ran, would you be worried? Or maybe you're a Democrat. Maybe you'd be in favor.

01:23:12.260 Oh, I'm not a Democrat, ma'am. Not by a long shot. But as far as being surprised, not really.

01:23:21.300 I figure if it comes down to that, it would be between her and Gavin Newsom,

01:23:26.520 which, God help us, if either one of them was to, by some chance, win.

01:23:34.900 I'm not sure we like our options. I don't think we're done with Michelle Obama.

01:23:38.140 I have to say, like, she went on and she got even more kind of annoying.

01:23:43.260 Just the way she talks is kind of annoying.

01:23:45.560 Take a listen to...

01:23:47.340 All right. I don't know. Which one should we play, Steve?

01:23:50.460 If 41 is the one where she just sounds kind of annoying, but play whichever one you want.

01:23:56.140 Stand by.

01:23:58.920 We're all human. We're so alike.

01:24:01.360 I don't care about skin color or how we pray or how we love.

01:24:06.380 We're all the same.

01:24:08.820 What keeps us from seeing that is fear, right?

01:24:12.420 I don't know you. You're different.

01:24:14.920 So I got to be afraid of you.

01:24:16.600 And I can't.

01:24:17.560 I have to make sure you don't come into my space.

01:24:21.100 And then we live in a culture where people with power prey on fear to get more power.

01:24:26.660 I want to make you all afraid of each other.

01:24:29.260 And then I can come in and rule it all, right?

01:24:35.100 Right.

01:24:36.100 Okay.

01:24:36.740 Right.

01:24:37.320 Okay.

01:24:37.780 I understand.

01:24:39.340 We prey on each other and we're afraid of one another.

01:24:43.780 Who are you talking about, Michelle?

01:24:45.460 Because you're not talking about the vast majority of Americans.

01:24:47.760 I don't know if you're talking about yourself.

01:24:49.800 Because your husband was one of the most divisive presidents in U.S. history.

01:24:53.740 But she wants to blame other people.

01:24:55.860 That's how others feel.

01:24:57.680 Namely Trump, I'm sure, is what she would say.

01:24:59.700 Steve in Florida.

01:25:00.960 Any thoughts on Michelle Obama?

01:25:03.980 Hi, Megan. How are you doing?

01:25:06.220 Hi.

01:25:06.580 Um, essentially, Biden's problem is Kamala Harris.

01:25:12.540 And he has to replace her with someone similar based on their philosophy.

01:25:18.060 So to put Michelle Obama in and Kamala's place is going to do a hell of a lot for his campaign.

01:25:23.800 And God forbid, if they win, he'll step down after six months and then she'll become president.

01:25:30.400 So you don't think she comes in and bigfoots him out of the top spot?

01:25:33.900 No, absolutely not.

01:25:36.460 But Kamala Harris is just a crump for a nitwit.

01:25:40.260 And Michelle Obama, good speaker.

01:25:42.520 A lot of people like her.

01:25:44.460 And she'd be a great replacement for Kamala.

01:25:46.740 And that would essentially then be a run against Michelle Obama for president.

01:25:52.320 Because Biden will step down.

01:25:53.740 That would be the plan.

01:25:55.060 I mean, that's as Machiavellian as it gets.

01:25:56.740 But what do they do with Kamala Harris?

01:26:00.100 Like, how do they offload her?

01:26:03.140 She decides that she doesn't want to do it anymore and steps down gracefully because she'd be more than happy to have Michelle Obama as president.

01:26:10.840 And she'd sacrifice.

01:26:11.260 Maybe she wants to run Harvard.

01:26:12.080 She probably couldn't do a worse job than the other one.

01:26:18.040 Right, well, you know, certain commentators are out there saying it has to be a black woman that they replace Claudine Gay with.

01:26:23.900 Well, I know of one who may be looking for a job.

01:26:26.220 Yeah, people fail up in those categories.

01:26:30.740 But I think Michelle would be a replacement for Kamala based on, you know, the Democrat philosophy of, you know, DEI.

01:26:36.940 And you have to run things based on skin color, unfortunately, as opposed to qualifications.

01:26:42.320 I can see the thinking, but I just don't think Michelle Obama would ever take the number two spot.

01:26:46.260 I think she knows she's arguably a bigger name even than Joe Biden.

01:26:50.100 And she'd be like, move aside.

01:26:51.520 But I see your point of the agreement would be that's where she's landing anyway.

01:26:55.760 This is just a different way of getting there.

01:26:58.280 Interesting thoughts, Steve.

01:26:59.640 Thank you for calling.

01:27:01.100 Let's go north of the border to Kevin in Canada.

01:27:04.220 Kevin, what do you think?

01:27:05.740 Michelle Obama.

01:27:06.440 Hey, Megan.

01:27:08.320 I don't, I'll be honest.

01:27:09.780 I don't know much about American politics, but I've put many suggestions on your YouTube channel.

01:27:16.180 Why do, and it's probably too late now, but why do you not run for president?

01:27:20.560 Uh, because I'm too happy per a person, Kevin.

01:27:26.400 My life is too enjoyable as it is now.

01:27:29.700 And, uh, what little forays I make into politics, I typically regret.

01:27:34.080 So, no, I, I like covering it from afar.

01:27:36.940 Sometimes I feel like, kind of like the, the queen, the way the prime ministers would come

01:27:42.520 and go.

01:27:43.020 And the queen was just always still there.

01:27:44.840 That's how journalists are, except we're not royal and we don't have billions, but,

01:27:48.680 um, we withstand the test of time.

01:27:50.940 And I like that.

01:27:51.740 I like being able to comment on all of them.

01:27:53.560 You know, Barack Obama was this life force that was completely dominating the country

01:27:58.100 and the national conversation.

01:27:59.080 And now he's gone.

01:27:59.900 Now he's in Martha's Vineyard.

01:28:00.840 Like every once in a while he pipes up, but do we really care about every word Barack

01:28:05.400 Obama utters?

01:28:06.200 No, but I'm still here.

01:28:07.920 I kind of like that.

01:28:09.480 So thank you for your support.

01:28:12.420 And if I ever give it a try, I'll try to recruit you to come back down to the United

01:28:15.680 States to vote for me.

01:28:16.620 But thank you.

01:28:17.840 Um, let's go to David in Tennessee.

01:28:21.880 Hey, David, what's on your mind?

01:28:24.440 Hey, how you doing, uh, Megan?

01:28:26.440 I was on stage with you when you did the Trump interview with everybody, but Trump, I want

01:28:32.900 to say that, uh, I think that, uh, what's going to happen is, uh, they're going to arrest

01:28:37.460 Trump and take him off the field because they don't want him nowhere near the, uh, the office

01:28:43.080 of the presidency.

01:28:44.120 And they're going to have to scramble to get somebody else on the stage to take his place.

01:28:49.760 Do you mean at the convention?

01:28:52.960 Yes, I think yes.

01:28:54.320 At the convention, I, I believe that this, this judge Chechnya or whatever, if that's her

01:29:00.140 name, I, I believe that she, that she's going to arrest him and, and, and handcuff him and

01:29:05.460 take him off because these, I, I've, I've been watching this thing unfold.

01:29:11.980 They are the most, uh, interfering, uh, in a presidential election I've ever seen.

01:29:18.780 No, all of the people that indicted Trump were all Democrats.

01:29:21.700 And here's another thing.

01:29:23.420 People forget the only way Joe Biden won was they had to shut down three states in order

01:29:29.980 to kick everybody out.

01:29:31.420 And only they did the county.

01:29:33.120 And does anybody think that was fair?

01:29:35.100 And they just discovered in Georgia, 20,000 ghost boat boats over in Georgia in the, in

01:29:41.200 the county where Fannie Willis is at.

01:29:43.460 And guess what?

01:29:44.140 They were all for Joe Biden.

01:29:47.320 I'm not familiar with that news story, but it's putting the claims of election fraud aside.

01:29:51.360 There's no question.

01:29:52.260 I mean, there has been all Democrats that have indicted Trump and they would absolutely love

01:29:56.600 their law fair to keep him off the ballots.

01:29:58.560 And it could actually include sending him into a jail cell before November of 2024.

01:30:04.660 I shudder at the thought.

01:30:06.800 Uh, I don't, I just don't know how the country will recover from that.

01:30:11.340 David, thanks for weighing in with your thoughts on it.

01:30:13.660 Let's see.

01:30:14.540 How about Stewart in South Carolina?

01:30:16.580 Stewart talking about your state and, uh, how it's likely to go there.

01:30:20.980 What do you think?

01:30:21.640 What are your thoughts on this primary?

01:30:24.740 I just think Trump's the only guy for the job.

01:30:27.560 He has seen the devil in the face and knows how bad they can be.

01:30:31.840 I feel like that once he got there, he realized how based on their opposition, you know, this

01:30:39.160 unhinged opposition to him, that he was chosen.

01:30:44.300 He's the only one for the job.

01:30:45.840 Look what they did to get rid of him.

01:30:47.900 It's crazy how they treated him.

01:30:49.640 Yeah.

01:30:51.260 And I mean, I don't know about you, but I've talked to so many people who are, they're

01:30:55.040 kind of over Trump.

01:30:56.020 They liked his four years.

01:30:57.360 I liked his policies, but they were over his drama.

01:30:59.760 But as soon as the indictment started to come down, they were like, I'm 100% voting for

01:31:03.680 Trump and only Trump to send a message.

01:31:06.140 You can't do this in America.

01:31:08.740 I feel the same way.

01:31:10.500 I really do.

01:31:11.260 I feel like he's a tiger.

01:31:12.660 So he's going to be a tiger, which is what we need.

01:31:15.380 But just the fact that they fought him so hard proves like when you're over the target,

01:31:21.100 you get the most slack.

01:31:22.340 He was doing, he was taking care of things that we had to have to be done to straighten

01:31:27.520 the country out.

01:31:28.420 And they couldn't, they couldn't have it.

01:31:30.440 They fought him every which way they could.

01:31:32.600 It's so unfair.

01:31:33.400 He deserves another term for the way they treated him and hampered him in his first

01:31:38.620 term.

01:31:39.000 That cloud of he's a Russian spy the whole time.

01:31:42.740 It let the Republicans, his own team did not back him up because they used that as a way

01:31:49.140 to not support him.

01:31:50.900 The old, he might not even be here next year because he might be a Russian spy when everybody

01:31:54.700 knew that would be at.

01:31:56.660 And they went along.

01:31:57.580 It's amazing.

01:31:58.200 You think of like Michelle Obama comes out.

01:32:01.000 She just, the hubris, right?

01:32:02.520 I'm going to tell people I'm terrified and then they're going to back Joe Biden.

01:32:06.400 Then they're going to stop backing Trump.

01:32:08.160 The independents will listen to me and my terror.

01:32:10.900 We've been paying attention.

01:32:12.100 You may have been enjoying yourself in Martha's Vineyard.

01:32:14.300 The rest of us have been living the consequences of your husband's vice president, now president's

01:32:19.340 policies.

01:32:20.340 I think she's in for a rude awakening.

01:32:22.540 Thank you for calling, Stuart.

01:32:24.020 Let's go to New Hampshire.

01:32:25.640 Another early, first in the nation primary, New Hampshire.

01:32:28.880 Andy, what are your thoughts on what's going to happen in your state?

01:32:31.700 Hi.

01:32:32.220 Hi.

01:32:32.800 Hey, Megan.

01:32:33.300 How are you?

01:32:34.300 I'm great.

01:32:35.080 How are you doing?

01:32:35.460 We have 14 inches of snow on Sunday.

01:32:36.880 14 inches of snow on Sunday and we're living through it.

01:32:40.820 I'm jealous.

01:32:41.680 Trump is going to win.

01:32:44.240 It's not going to be by a wide margin like he is going to win in Iowa.

01:32:48.760 The only thing that Biden's got to run on is January 6th and that he ain't Trump.

01:32:55.460 And that's not going to cut it for the rest of the way.

01:32:58.040 Not impressed.

01:32:58.580 My prediction is Trump will win in New Hampshire, but not by much.

01:33:05.100 But I also predict that between Super Tuesday and sometime in the next few months after that,

01:33:12.580 that Biden will step down, be pushed out by his own party.

01:33:16.720 And I always believe this.

01:33:18.980 Gavin Newsom will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

01:33:21.860 Wow.

01:33:23.500 Oh, my gosh.

01:33:24.940 This is going to be the craziest year ever, ever in U.S. politics.

01:33:30.140 I'm so excited that we're going to go through it together.

01:33:32.320 Andy, thank you.

01:33:33.360 And good luck at the primaries next week and getting out there and making sure your vote counts.

01:33:37.420 Let's let's go to Randy in Kentucky.

01:33:39.200 We have time.

01:33:40.060 Randy, what are your thoughts?

01:33:42.680 Hey, Megan.

01:33:43.520 Thanks.

01:33:43.960 It's just so obvious that our two-party system has got us polarized, and it's by design.

01:33:50.280 They want to fundraise off of that anger, get their tribes together.

01:33:55.940 It's really time for, like, no labels to come along and occupy that center lane with common sense agenda.

01:34:03.700 And once and for all, serve notice to these two parties that you can't treat us like this anymore.

01:34:11.000 You can't give us these choices of the lesser of two evils.

01:34:16.060 The Republicans are hell-bent on running the one guy that the Democrats could actually beat this year.

01:34:21.820 And the Democrats are just running a Trojan horse that's not even running the show.

01:34:26.960 And it's just time for something like – I know third parties don't ever win, but this is different.

01:34:31.800 This is a different time, and it's time for a unity ticket of no labels where you draft two very common sense right down the middle people that have America's best interest

01:34:42.240 and aren't going to bring all their baggage to bear, and we can get things done.

01:34:46.440 So like a Mike Pompeo and somebody like that, but just somebody that could come in and be –

01:34:52.960 Well, maybe some Dems are interested in our guest tomorrow because we're actually going to have our legal panel back,

01:35:00.000 and they're going to talk about what they heard today at that immunity argument in the Court of Appeals.

01:35:04.200 Dave and Mike are coming back, but we're also going to have Democratic presidential candidate Dean Phillips.

01:35:08.640 I'm actually very excited to talk to him. Could this guy actually be a contender?

01:35:11.840 He's got a lot to say about Joe Biden. We're going to have all of that for you guys tomorrow.

01:35:15.160 Thanks for calling in, you guys, and thanks for listening every day.

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01:35:21.580 All the best. We'll do it all over again tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 09, 2024

Biden Stokes Racial Division in Campaign Messaging, and Michelle Obama Says She's ＂Terrified＂ of Trump Win, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 698

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