The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden Ties Israel To Ukraine, and Anti-Semitic Campus ＂Crying Bully,＂ with Dave Marcus and Noah Pollak

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.340 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.640 On this Friday afternoon, as tanks line the Gaza border,

00:00:20.280 the world awaits Israel's response to the terror attacks launched by Hamas nearly two weeks ago.

00:00:25.880 It is harrowing to think about what the situation might look like come Monday,

00:00:28.960 the next time we speak. The Israeli military says that today it believes the majority of the

00:00:34.580 hostages are still alive, some 200 of them, with 20 of the hostages now known to be children.

00:00:42.740 I should say we don't know for sure that they're going to embark on this ground invasion. There

00:00:47.440 have been some questions about whether they will actually do it. It will be extremely complicated.

00:00:52.080 It will be extremely deadly, risky. There will be an enormous loss of life on both sides.

00:00:57.540 And so there has been speculation about whether they're reconsidering it,

00:01:02.100 given that we're almost at the two-week mark from the day of the attack. However,

00:01:06.560 the signs this morning would certainly point to an invasion at any moment.

00:01:13.500 Last night, President Biden delivered his second speech from the Oval Office during his term,

00:01:17.980 telling the country, the decisions we make today are going to determine the future

00:01:21.480 for decades to come. Joining me now, David Marcus, columnist and author, and Noah Pollack,

00:01:28.220 contributor to the Washington Free Beacon. David, Noah, great to have you guys here. Thanks for

00:01:32.460 coming on. Let's just start with the president's speech, and we'll give the audience a little

00:01:37.880 flavor for how it sounded. The overall feeling of it was he wanted to tie Israel to Ukraine. It's the

00:01:45.720 same thing. You got to fund them both. We're fighting the same kind of battle in both places,

00:01:50.060 and therefore I need $105 billion. I mean, it's remarkable. It's breathtaking in its scope,

00:01:56.260 given how in debt we are. And Ukraine's popularity is going down in terms of U.S. funding,

00:02:02.520 but the support for Israel is very high. So there's a question about whether that was a smart move.

00:02:07.460 It may help the Ukrainians. I don't know how those who are in favor of Israel and backing it

00:02:11.400 feel about the linkage. Having heard that, here's just a bit of him trying to tie the two together

00:02:18.120 and sought one. You know, the assault on Israel echoes nearly 20 months of war, tragedy, and

00:02:24.520 brutality inflicted on the people of Ukraine. We've not forgotten the mass graves, the bodies found

00:02:31.080 bearing signs of torture, rape used as a weapon by the Russians, and thousands and thousands of

00:02:37.060 Ukrainian children forcibly taken into Russia, stolen from their parents. Hamas and Putin represent

00:02:43.060 different threats, but they share this in common. They both want to completely annihilate a neighboring

00:02:48.920 democracy, completely annihilate it. Hamas, this is a state of purpose for existing. It's a destruction

00:02:54.800 of the state of Israel. Meanwhile, Putin denies Ukraine has or ever had real statehood. To put all

00:03:01.040 that at risk, if we walk away from Ukraine, if we turn our backs on Israel, it's just not worth it.

00:03:08.480 Okay, I've got to be honest. I was like, what? Who? What are we doing? Like, I'm a linear thinker.

00:03:15.360 I like one strain. Take me through it. Make the case for Israel. Then you can make the case. It was

00:03:21.000 back and forth. I'm like, who are we on now? Who needs it? In any event, that's how it went for the

00:03:28.080 entire time. I'll start with you, Dave. What did you make of his attempt to weave the thread?

00:03:33.340 Well, look, I mean, he's not entirely wrong to the extent that there is a connection between the two,

00:03:39.060 right? You have Russia, Iran, and China forming this sort of axis, and these things are certainly

00:03:46.320 related. But I agree with you that to so blatantly tie the obscene massacre that we saw in Israel to

00:03:56.100 Ukraine funding, which is a very different kind of conflict. I think people saw through it. I mean,

00:04:02.140 we know that he's going to be sending this funding package to Congress that's going to include both.

00:04:08.240 And so I think, as with most of the things that Biden does, there was no subtlety. It came across

00:04:14.860 as cynical. And while I thought the speech as a whole was all right, I agree with you. That was the

00:04:21.160 big takeaway. And it is going to be frustrating for Israel supporters to have to have Ukraine on their

00:04:27.020 back. What did you think of it, Noah? Yeah, I basically agree with some of what you said here.

00:04:34.020 I mean, I think that there's a big similarity between the two, and then there's a big difference.

00:04:38.880 And I think the big difference is that the Hamas attack on Israel and the general Iranian campaign in

00:04:46.280 the Middle East is genocidal in nature. I mean, the goal of this is to wipe out the Jewish state and,

00:04:53.360 if they can, the Jewish people. And so that is a sort of just a different type of effort by the

00:05:02.040 Iranians than what Putin is doing in Ukraine, where his goal is territorial. He wants to control

00:05:07.580 Ukraine. He wants to intimidate Europe. He wants to challenge NATO. And so I think the sort of the

00:05:13.040 stakes for Israel, not to diminish in any way, if you're a Ukrainian, how horrifying this is to have

00:05:18.920 your country invaded and children abducted and all of these things. But Putin's goal is not to carry out

00:05:23.840 a mass genocide of Ukrainians, whereas that is clearly the goal of Hamas, the goal of Hezbollah,

00:05:29.540 the goal of Iran, the goal of the Houthis, and all of these other Iranian proxies that they've built up.

00:05:34.120 But the problem for Biden is that he's incapable of persuasion. It's incredible that we're now

00:05:42.380 well over a year into U.S. support for the Ukraine war, which I generally support, by the way. I think

00:05:49.620 the United States needs to uphold its role as a global power. But the president has to make that

00:05:55.300 case to the American people. And I think one of the major reasons for the skepticism that a lot of

00:05:59.260 people have is that he doesn't make a case of like what our interests are, why we're doing this,

00:06:04.520 why this is important, why this is money well spent. And so, you know, part of the problem is

00:06:11.060 the messenger. It's also he didn't mention Iran in his speech. And that's been a continuing problem

00:06:17.460 in this is that he never mentions the Iran word when that is actually the problem in the Middle East.

00:06:23.140 And if you're not willing to kind of say who your enemy is, your enemy, it's a dangerous sign because

00:06:28.620 your enemy sees that you're scared and that you may not be willing to do what's necessary. And so

00:06:33.040 although I think some of the tactics are good here, I think it is good to make sure the U.S.,

00:06:37.220 you know, make sure Israel has the weapons it needs right now for the president not to be able to

00:06:42.140 identify who the threat is here is a big problem. And, you know, there was a passing reference to

00:06:48.320 the hostages. But what is with the ignoring of the hostages? This just feels bizarre to me at this

00:06:53.680 point. I mean, what did we just pay like a billion dollars per hostage in our deal with Iran to

00:07:00.840 retrieve those six Americans? And now we've got how many over there? We don't know. You know, 14,

00:07:07.560 17. I'm not sure what the number is, not to mention the nearly 30 dead Americans in Israel.

00:07:13.000 And it's like, oh, I saw last night there was a passing reference. We're pursuing every avenue

00:07:17.640 to try to bring the loved ones up. What? Like maybe maybe he's got some deal going behind the

00:07:24.020 scenes. You know, he was going to pull it together when he had this meeting with the Arab leaders that

00:07:28.560 they all canceled on after the hospital situation. But I don't know. For me, Dave, I'm used to in

00:07:36.620 these kinds of situations, an American president coming out, showing the strength and robust nature

00:07:42.400 of the American president, the American military saying something to the effect of if you touch

00:07:47.920 one hair on the heads of those Americans, you will feel the full force and effect of the American

00:07:55.020 military sitting on those two aircraft carriers sitting in the Mediterranean.

00:08:00.440 Yeah, it's baffling. It's it's, you know, Biden's take on all of this. And, you know,

00:08:08.040 as Noah said, this unwillingness to call out Iran, it makes it makes absolutely no sense.

00:08:16.500 And you're right. I mean, we've lived through hostage situations before. And I mean,

00:08:20.260 just the fact that, like, we don't know how many there are. Right. We don't know who they are.

00:08:26.240 We're not hearing those stories where I Biden and the Democrats really want this to all just be OK.

00:08:34.280 Right. And I think the left in general is looking at this and being like, well, there must be some

00:08:39.860 good solution. Guess what? There isn't always a good solution. When when when anti-Semitic

00:08:45.380 maniacs murder 260 people at a rave. Right. They're the ones who did this. And there isn't some,

00:08:54.420 you know, great way to tie this up where, like, nobody in Gaza will get killed and nobody in Israel

00:08:59.800 will get killed and we'll get the hostages back. No, this is war. This is war that Iran and Hamas

00:09:05.580 caused. And you're absolutely right. Our commander in chief, you know, who's who's, you know, getting

00:09:10.940 ghosted, but, you know, like he's on a dating app. It's it's completely and utterly unacceptable.

00:09:16.980 And we need to see some fire in the belly. I haven't seen that from Tony Blinken. I haven't seen

00:09:22.780 that from Jake Sullivan. You know, they're they're acting like this is a G20 meeting. It's it's

00:09:28.440 absolutely it's absolutely insane, Megan. You know, no, I know you've been calling

00:09:32.340 attention to this. You first thought, OK, I like the original statement Biden, Mr. Biden did on

00:09:37.160 Israel and he sent Blinken right over there. OK. But now it appears more and more that Blinken,

00:09:43.620 instead of working to pave the way for Israel to do what it must do, is trying to put up roadblocks

00:09:49.060 for Israel to do what it must do. Yeah. And this is all part of the big problem here, which is that

00:09:56.320 this is an administration that for three years now has been pursuing this Iran policy of essentially

00:10:02.880 appeasing Iran, continuing the Obama policy, trying to get back in the nuclear deal, trying

00:10:07.120 to operating under the idea that if the United States is just nice to Iran, they will be a

00:10:12.980 responsible actor in the region. That whole policy has just blown up sky high. It is the most conspicuous

00:10:20.000 failure of U.S. foreign policy probably since the Iraq war. And everything that's going on in the

00:10:28.680 Middle East right now is being orchestrated by the Iranians. The Houthis firing missiles, cruise

00:10:32.660 missiles, the the the Shia militia is organizing aircraft carriers, by the way, that happened.

00:10:37.860 Maybe at our aircraft carriers, maybe right at us. Right. And and so but with Biden, you know,

00:10:43.320 just to get to this point of like everything gets thought, all of the strategy works backwards from

00:10:49.080 the the appease Iran goal. Right. So the reason they can't actually say anything intelligent about

00:10:55.420 the hostages or do anything about the hostages when there's all sorts of things we could do.

00:10:59.580 Hamas is controlled by Iran. If Iran felt an actual threat from the American president and the American

00:11:05.220 military, they would call up Hamas and say, you need to let those people out. And it would happen

00:11:10.080 immediately because the Iranians are actually terrified of our military and they know Iran has

00:11:14.260 no real conventional military. They have no air force. They have no real standing army. We could

00:11:18.660 we could devastate them in 45 minutes of airstrikes and they know it. And all it takes is an American

00:11:24.260 president to make a credible threat. The American president could say to them in a way the Israelis

00:11:28.560 can't. You have to let all these people out or it's rub a dub dub time for you. And that second

00:11:35.520 aircraft. Why doesn't he? Why doesn't he? Is it this appeasement of Iran? The the how did you put

00:11:41.160 it? Appease Iran? I mean, it's like a it's an ongoing thing since President Obama. We talked about

00:11:47.100 this with Victor Davis Hanson yesterday started in 07 when he was running, saying, I'm going to do

00:11:51.600 direct negotiations with them. Charles Krauthammer said that is a gaffe that he then turned into

00:11:57.180 official policy and we're still living with it. Yeah, this is one of those. This has become like an

00:12:04.200 article of honor and faith and pride for Democrats that Obama started this. This was a major kind of

00:12:10.460 transition in democratic foreign policy, thinking about the Middle East. It was we want to leave the

00:12:15.520 Middle East. We're going to turn Iran, the worst actor in the Middle East, into someone we can work

00:12:20.160 with and who's as Obama sort of hopefully, you know, speculated that Iran would become a responsible

00:12:25.580 actor in the region. And it's it doesn't work. It's a total failure. It's now gotten thousands of

00:12:31.220 people killed. It's going to get many more thousands of people killed. The Iranians are setting fires

00:12:36.040 everywhere because they know that that this president, for some weird reason, will not stand

00:12:41.620 up to them. And the reason he won't is that to stand up to Iran is to admit that the entire democratic

00:12:47.380 foreign policy of the Middle East going back to the Obama administration has failed and they don't

00:12:52.780 want to admit that. So their pride is keeping them from doing the right thing. I think I think

00:12:57.660 there's one other key. Go ahead. I think there's one other key point here, which is that this is

00:13:01.440 all dangerously predictable. Putin and Iran and China, they know exactly what the United States is

00:13:08.580 going to do because it's exactly what any liberal think tank would tell you to do. We don't need Joe

00:13:14.960 Biden in the White House. We could pluck any expert from any liberal think tank and they would do exactly

00:13:21.520 what our administration is doing. And our foreign adversaries are taking advantage of that. Say what you

00:13:27.000 will about Trump's foreign policy. And I don't know that it was particularly coherent. I don't

00:13:30.920 know that he left the GOP with a foreign policy paradigm. I think that's part of why you see so

00:13:38.060 much fighting in the GOP. But our enemies didn't know exactly what Trump was going to do. In fact,

00:13:43.100 they really didn't know what he was going to do at all. And that's a real advantage in terms of

00:13:47.540 geopolitics. Right now, for Vladimir Putin, for the Ayatollah Khomeini, there are no surprises.

00:13:54.100 What did you make, Noah, of him last night saying, we can't ignore the humanity of innocent

00:14:01.580 Palestinians who only want to live in peace and have an opportunity? I was taken aback by it because

00:14:09.440 this is the new thing to try to paint. There's Hamas and they're bad. But all the Palestinians

00:14:17.340 outside of Hamas, they're peace loving people who really just want to get along. Well, there's more

00:14:23.920 to the story. Yeah, it's I think there's a couple of things there. Like one is that this is a sort of

00:14:31.640 a sop to the left of his party, which is furious with how actually they the progressives in the

00:14:38.980 Democratic Party, they kind of feel that they're in charge these days. And Biden is actually I think

00:14:45.140 the tactics here have been basically solid. The strategy is a mess. But, you know, he hasn't

00:14:50.380 totally thrown Israel under the bus. They are flying C-17s full of arms into into Israel and

00:14:55.740 making sure Israel has the arms it needs. Like these are good policies and they're actually

00:15:00.420 really infuriating the left. And so I think he's trying to add some of those notes as a way of

00:15:05.580 trying to keep his left flank under control. I mean, you saw that, you know, some some goofball in

00:15:11.140 the State Department resigned over over Biden being too pro Israel. And you have this letter

00:15:15.760 anonymously signed that's circulating on the Hill of Hill staffers who are, you know, Democratic Hill

00:15:21.000 staffers who are outraged by the administration. So I think part of it's that they're just trying to

00:15:25.340 keep kind of their left in in line. And part of it also is, again, like this is this is where the

00:15:32.000 kind of progressive narrative runs in smack into the brick wall of reality and the progressive

00:15:38.200 narrative on the Middle East and on so many things is wrong. And on the Middle East, this has been

00:15:44.160 going back to the Clinton administration, the peace process, the two state solution.

00:15:47.980 Everyone wants the same thing. Everyone wants peace. And they sort of refuse to admit it's

00:15:52.780 actually kind of insulting to Palestinians. A great number of Palestinians don't want peace.

00:15:56.880 They want victory. They want to defeat Israel. Israel humiliates them. The existence of Israel,

00:16:01.640 they feel is wrong. It is against Islam. They feel that that is their land. And they will fight Israel

00:16:08.440 until they win or until they're defeated. And so, yeah, I mean, there's polling data on this.

00:16:14.060 It is not true that, you know, in Gaza, everyone, most people want peace and they want to live with

00:16:18.480 Israel. There's actually really majority Hamas support in Gaza. And you'll notice all the people

00:16:23.860 out in the streets cheering when they were dragging those poor hostages back and beating them in the

00:16:27.940 streets and humiliating them. It's it's actually quite quite a popular policy until the bombs start

00:16:34.040 falling and then they regret it or then they at least start complaining. I mean, who do they think

00:16:39.240 elected Hamas? It wasn't the Israelis. It was the Palestinians. Hamas made perfectly clear what it

00:16:44.620 wants, and that is the destruction of the state of Israel entirely. And you don't have to look very

00:16:49.240 far to believe it. Look, look here in America at the pro-Palestinian protesters from the river to the sea.

00:16:54.700 They know what it means. Their defenders want to pretend, oh, they're college students. They don't

00:16:58.120 they know what that means. It means the eradication of Israel. And if you spend two minutes reading

00:17:02.180 the paper statements that they're putting out and that their college professors are putting out,

00:17:06.020 they put a perfectly fine point on it. I mean, they make absolutely clear they want the eradication

00:17:09.940 of Israel and Jews. So you don't have to work too hard to figure out what they're after. And I'm sure

00:17:16.000 there are some Palestinians who would like peace, but it's it's not as he portrayed it. Like most of them

00:17:22.840 just want to live in peace next to Israel. No, I think most of them don't. Most of them want Israel

00:17:26.980 gone. The interesting thing with the Palestinian polling is that if you and I've looked at this

00:17:31.480 over the years because I used to live in Israel and I used to do a lot of sort of Israel related

00:17:34.440 work. And the interesting thing in the polling is, you know, if you ask a question like, you know,

00:17:39.640 would you want a peace deal with Israel? You'll get, you know, I don't know, 50, depending on

00:17:46.340 whether it's Gaza or the West Bank, you'll get, you know, 40 to 60 percent of people say, sure.

00:17:51.020 When you poll and ask, do you support or oppose a certain terrorist attack? Like after Gilad Shalit

00:17:56.700 was taken captive in 2006, I believe it was 2006. And you look at the polling on like, do you support the

00:18:03.540 operation to abduct Gilad Shalit and hold him hostage? Well, it was like 82 percent supported. If you poll on,

00:18:09.540 you know, do you support or oppose rocket attacks on, you know, on the Jews? It's overwhelmingly

00:18:14.480 supported. And so that's really what you have to look at in the polling is the support for

00:18:19.080 terrorist attacks. And that support among Palestinians remains sadly. And I wish this

00:18:23.460 wasn't true, but it remains very, very high. And it remains very, very high among the students for

00:18:28.720 justice in Palestine here domestically. Go ahead, Dave. Yeah, I was going to say you can't you can't

00:18:34.420 maintain a guerrilla or terrorist operation without the support of the people. Right. We've seen that in

00:18:39.140 Cuba. We've seen that all over the world. And I have some personal experience with this thinking

00:18:43.660 about the Americans. Right. And I think about this a lot. I grew up in an Irish Catholic family

00:18:48.660 that was very supportive of the IRA. I was the six year old marching for Bobby Sands in Philadelphia

00:18:55.140 in 1980. And, you know, I grew up hearing about this and we knew that the IRA killed civilians. Now,

00:19:02.860 the IRA did it differently. They often had warnings. I think the IRA was responsible for about 600 civilian

00:19:08.520 deaths between 1970 and 94, you know, which Hamas beat in one day the other day. But the big difference

00:19:16.140 was when civilians died, when Protestant civilians died in that conflict, we never celebrated that.

00:19:23.340 I mean, ever. That was always treated as a tragedy, as something to be mourned, as a lamentable necessity

00:19:30.420 in an asymmetrical war. Furthermore, had the IRA ever done anything like we saw at that music festival,

00:19:38.300 had they ever done anything like was done to those Jewish babies, their American Irish Catholic support

00:19:43.620 would have evaporated immediately. In fact, I think their Irish Irish Catholic support would have

00:19:49.520 evaporated immediately. And so when I see these kids on college campuses, this is very different to me.

00:19:55.580 And it scares the hell out of me when I see Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, you know, basically still

00:20:00.980 pushing Hamas propaganda and unwilling to condemn the abject atrocities that we saw. Megan, this is

00:20:08.920 terrifying. Me too. I feel the same. Like I'm I'm chilled by the amount of college campus students

00:20:16.680 and professors who are openly anti-Semitic. And they can tell me all day long, no, it's about

00:20:22.200 liberating Palestine. But as I said a minute ago, you only have to spend about two minutes listening

00:20:26.700 to their actual rhetoric to figure out that. No. What does that mean to them? It means no more

00:20:32.600 Israel. And it's growing. I'll show this. I was going to get to this later, but I just want to show

00:20:36.460 this now. Do we have the video of the high school students, guys? In San Francisco, we do. I think

00:20:39.900 it's not 16. Like it's I saw this. These are young. Look at this is high school. Look at this. San

00:20:46.940 Francisco. And we could show 10 more of those. Oh, you know, that just came up over the last

00:21:03.360 24 hours. Noah, like the the Israel hatred and frankly, the Jew hatred runs deep. Yeah, I have

00:21:15.080 sort of a I think for some of the the Muslim students, there is a very specific anti-Semitic

00:21:21.700 aspect of this. But I actually have like an even darker kind of take on this, which is like

00:21:26.160 this is wokeism. This is actually one of the frightening things about the past two weeks that,

00:21:33.880 you know, I work a lot on education policy issues and kind of battling woke stuff. And I sort of thought

00:21:39.920 that I understood that I understood them and part of me kind of didn't take them very seriously,

00:21:45.840 like these snowflake kids talking about their microaggressions and their trigger warnings and

00:21:50.760 all this stuff. And you sort of thought of them as like these kids are kind of pathetic and weak and

00:21:54.900 fragile. And then you see them like screaming for bloody murder and like supporting the beheading of

00:22:02.400 toddlers. And you say to yourself, my God, like the the rhetoric about decolonization about by any

00:22:09.700 means necessary about resistance, like the jargon they've been throwing around over the past few

00:22:15.300 years. Well, OK, over the past 10 years, they really mean that. And we know they really mean it

00:22:22.260 because when there was actual terror, terroristic violence of the worst kind, Einsatzgruppen like World

00:22:29.720 War Two style Nazi killing, they thought they think it's great. They mean it. And so I think this

00:22:38.020 is a huge turning point in the battles over the kind of woke DEI world, because I think this was an

00:22:44.000 enormous wake up call for a huge number of people who didn't really take these people that seriously,

00:22:49.800 thought it was a campus problem, thought it was a problem among, you know, 18, 19, 20 year old

00:22:54.800 doofuses and their doofus professors who realized that, like, actually, this is these people are

00:23:00.500 bloodthirsty savages and they don't just want to kill Jews. They would kill us, too. They would

00:23:07.320 kill our society. They they they want a revolution in which the kind of peace and and prosperity of

00:23:14.840 Western civilization itself is destroyed because they say it openly all the time. And it's time for

00:23:20.440 us to all, like, take their language seriously. And I think we've got a clean house in the

00:23:24.620 universities. I think we've got a clean house in lots of places because these people are evil.

00:23:29.280 Honestly, it's like I I want to make sure Hillsdale stays alive and well. You know,

00:23:34.880 we've got to keep the path open to the normal universities, because in no world would I ever

00:23:39.560 send my my child to Columbia, to Harvard, to Penn, UPenn. My God, these are all the top Ivy

00:23:47.140 leagues. And by the way, NBC News poll just came out of college students. 86 percent say they are

00:23:53.660 aware of the October 7th attack. So keep that in mind when you hear these numbers. 86 percent are

00:23:58.160 aware. Thirty three percent say that attack was either justified or at least not terrorism.

00:24:06.460 That wasn't terrorism of college students. Dave. Holy shit.

00:24:11.680 Yeah, indeed. No, look, listen, Noah's absolutely right that this is intimately linked to progressive

00:24:19.820 progressivism, wokeism, political correctness. Call it whatever you want. When I wrote my first piece

00:24:26.420 about this about a week and a half ago, you know, criticizing these college students. Right. I was

00:24:31.280 working with my editor at the Daily Mail and I said to him, I said, what am I what am I criticizing

00:24:37.280 them here for? What is the accusation? Am I accusing them of being anti-Israel? Am I accusing

00:24:42.280 them of being pro-Hamas? What what exactly am I accusing these people and the New York Times and

00:24:47.420 the Democrats and these people of doing? And he said to me, what we're accusing them of is a bias in

00:24:53.240 which if there is a conflict between oppressed brown people and oppressor white people, it doesn't

00:25:01.180 matter what happens in that conflict. The oppressed people are on the right side of it. Right.

00:25:08.760 George Floyd riots. Right. Oh, well, we don't want anybody burning down cities and having people die

00:25:13.180 in those buildings. But of course, at the end of the day, they're right. Right. The trans issue. Well,

00:25:18.000 yes, of course, we don't want women to feel uncomfortable in prisons and shelters. But because

00:25:22.660 the trans people are more oppressed than the women are. Ultimately, we have to come down on the side

00:25:27.500 of the trans people. It's exactly what's happening with regard to Israel. And there is nothing that

00:25:33.560 Hamas could do. We know that now. Right. We now know that there is the Hamas could poison the water

00:25:39.260 supply tomorrow in Israel. And these same people would say, well, they're on the right side of

00:25:44.260 history. It's no, it's right. You have to rip this out by the roots. The President Biden doesn't get

00:25:51.860 that. He's not understanding, as I think the rest of us are, that woke ism and believing that Jews

00:25:59.820 should be able to live. They don't really go hand in hand. We've seen that. Like, look at BLM

00:26:06.860 Chicago. Look at all these leftists, like what what Ta-Nehisi Coates posted the other day. Like,

00:26:13.000 it's coming apart, like the veil is coming off and he doesn't get it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gone

00:26:19.780 here in his speech last night when he had the attention of the American public sought three.

00:26:25.620 You know, and here at home, we have to be honest with ourselves. In recent years, too much hate is

00:26:32.920 given too much oxygen, fueling racism, the rise of anti-Semitism, Islamic phobia, right here in

00:26:38.680 America. And I know many of you in the Muslim American community, the Arab American community,

00:26:44.660 the Palestinian American community, and so many others are outraged and hardy, saying to yourself,

00:26:51.740 here we go again with Islamophobia and distrust we saw after 9-11.

00:26:59.680 I don't know. It was so annoying. This this particular thing, what we're seeing on our

00:27:04.080 college campuses is anti-Semitism. That is the issue today. Do not try to broaden it out

00:27:08.920 and tie it to all your priors on how you think Americans are racist and bigoted and anti-Muslim and

00:27:15.680 so on. This is it's it's it's part of the one of the most maddening things of when you see how

00:27:22.620 progressives do politics, which is that they have a set of narratives in their mind about how the how

00:27:27.400 they want the world to work and how they want the world to work in America is that America is a

00:27:31.940 horribly racist society and it's an Islamophobic society and it's a violent society and oppressive

00:27:36.180 because these are all things that kind of for I think for progressives put them in the role that

00:27:41.120 they want to play, which is like heroic, you know, protesters for justice. And so it doesn't

00:27:47.680 matter if the reality doesn't actually fit the narrative. They will just continue on with the

00:27:52.520 narrative. And so the narrative is like there's a lot of Islamophobia in America. Well, there actually

00:27:56.760 isn't. The FBI hate crime statistics just came out for last year and there was a significant increase

00:28:02.400 in anti-Semitic hate crimes reported vastly larger amounts of anti-Semitic hate crimes in America

00:28:08.960 than against Muslims. There actually after 9-11 was barely any Islamophobia, you know, actual actions

00:28:16.660 against Muslim people in America. But you have this desire to portray the country as racist and they

00:28:22.960 will, you know, they will keep doing it. There's not enough supply of actual racism or Islamophobia in

00:28:29.640 America to keep up with the demand that like the left wants to portray the country this way. So they just

00:28:34.660 kind of invented. So you see Biden giving this speech where it's like he's denouncing Islamophobia

00:28:39.800 that doesn't actually exist. It's it's just it's really it's maddening. It's just a bunch of lies,

00:28:46.620 basically. Well, that brings me to he mentioned this horrific case out of Illinois where a six year

00:28:52.180 old boy was killed by his landlord. The six year old child was Muslim and the lunatic landlord who was

00:28:59.400 70 stabbed him. Now, obviously, we are dealing with an unstable person. This is obviously the mugshot

00:29:05.120 of the guy. Well, person, yes, not a sane looking person. He looks like he lives in a dumpster.

00:29:11.660 Absolutely. Nobody thinks anything other than that's horrible when they see that case. But he

00:29:17.460 elevated it to an Oval Office speech as like, well, you know, like Hamas has done this. And then on the

00:29:24.580 other hand, we've got the Islamophobia here in America. This little boy was just killed. And I'm

00:29:29.360 sorry, it's a horrific case. But these two things are not the same. And I don't believe they belong in

00:29:34.520 the same speech. And I think he really is trying to both sides it there by saying, like, you know,

00:29:39.540 there is a lot of Islam. It was a lie. It was it was not an apt comparison. And it's it's detrimental

00:29:46.640 because we really are dealing with a surge of anti-Semitism in our country right now.

00:29:50.620 That is the problem. Why can't he focus on that problem, Dave? And just what you remember about

00:29:56.000 it. You remember what Norm MacDonald had to say about this, right? I mean, it was something along

00:30:00.200 the lines of I hope the Islamic terrorists don't get a nuclear bomb and, you know, kill 5 million

00:30:04.700 Americans because imagine the, you know, Islamophobic backlash. And, you know, he's absolutely right.

00:30:10.540 I mean, that's that that is the very first thing that would happen. Look, I kept my powder dry on that

00:30:16.440 story. Obviously, any child dying. And I think that we've all seen. I mean, we've seen so many

00:30:22.680 images now of children dying that I really hope we don't become numb to it. I literally over the

00:30:29.520 past two weeks have had to take, you know, a half hour to go walk in the woods without my phone because

00:30:34.560 it because it's horrifying. It's just it's horrible. But you're right. It is it is both sides.

00:30:42.340 And I think after what we saw. I mean, I'll never get that image of the woman being kidnapped and

00:30:51.860 looking. I don't know if it was at her boyfriend or just her friends being like, help me like this

00:30:56.940 can't be happening, please. Like, where are they taking me? Hamas wants us to forget about that.

00:31:03.620 And the longer that this goes on and we have these esoteric debates about, you know, the less

00:31:10.120 they hope Americans will to support Israel here will be. And we can't let that happen. Those images

00:31:16.700 have to stay fresh in our minds, unfortunately. That's such a good point. Thank you for making

00:31:20.360 that point that it's been weighing on me, too. And I'm sure it's been weighing on, you know, it's like

00:31:25.180 the squad and their supporters and these Palestinian justice, whatever, on college campuses. They're all

00:31:32.860 trying to push this into a totally different debate now. You know, Israel's an oppressor. It's an

00:31:38.560 apartheid state. That's the real issue. Move past the terror attack. And yet I I've been saying this

00:31:43.900 to my audience. And here we are almost two weeks into it. And it's still the truth. There's a heaviness

00:31:49.180 to my heart these days that I didn't have two weeks ago. I the daily conversations about the

00:31:56.780 deeply disturbing atrocities that Hamas committed is a lot. It's a lot to deal with. It's like a plague,

00:32:07.640 you know, that I feel like we're under right now, where every day you have to face atrocities in

00:32:12.260 the you know, you have to look at them in the face and you have to report on them. And then you have

00:32:15.760 to just kind of keep going about your day, doing the news, taking care of your children, doing your

00:32:20.720 job. And it it it's incongruous. It it doesn't seem like something you should be able to function

00:32:27.040 in the face of. And yet not only do these people want us to function in the face of it, they want us

00:32:31.220 to move right past it. Just just get into the politics of it. Yeah. And or they or they basically

00:32:36.920 want to flip it and say, look at these terrible things that are happening. And it's all Israel's

00:32:40.620 fault. And I agree. Like this has been I like wake up every morning. And it's like, is this really the

00:32:47.140 reality that we're living and that this actually happened? It's just been all a horrible dream.

00:32:50.680 And I have, you know, we have I have family in Israel who's been affected by this. And we I have

00:32:57.140 many friends who are called up for reserve duty, who are running to bomb shelters, who are about to

00:33:03.400 go fight in Gaza. And it's in it's in it's an absolutely it's like we're in a in a horror movie

00:33:09.300 here. And the the desire that I think that the anti Israel left, the reason they're so fixated on

00:33:18.480 kind of flipping the narrative is that they know that as long as people sympathize with Israel,

00:33:24.240 Israel, Israel will have the kind of latitude and freedom to be able to fight back and that

00:33:29.100 that will keep the pressure from the Europeans and from the Biden administration that will keep the

00:33:33.540 pressure off and they will be able to actually go in and for once win a war. Every time this happens

00:33:39.640 in the past, they get about a week to fight or maybe we can have to fight. And then the American

00:33:44.580 pressure and the European pressure and the UN pressure and the media pressure just becomes

00:33:48.440 so strong that they feel that they have to basically wrap it up. And so that's what there's

00:33:55.240 actually a strategy here, I think, for the progressives, which is to really bang this drum

00:34:00.460 and to make make Israel's self-defense unbearable through media and political and diplomatic pressure.

00:34:08.080 And so I think that you got to tip your hat to Hamas and its U.S. supporters. They're very good at

00:34:15.520 the thing you just said. They know exactly what they're doing. And they have such willing

00:34:20.520 participants. You know, we'll get we'll get it to the media helpers in more detail in just a second.

00:34:25.780 Let me squeeze in a break. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. No, no, make it. Oh, no, I just on this issue of

00:34:30.440 like them portraying Israel that the Palestinians is oppressed. I mean, in Gaza, Israel left Gaza in

00:34:36.000 2005. There was there is not a Jew living there anywhere. There's not a soldier living there. They could

00:34:40.920 have turned Gaza into Martha's Vineyard. They could have turned it into Singapore. They could

00:34:45.480 have turned it into San Francisco. They could have done anything they wanted with it. And they

00:34:49.060 immediately elected Hamas. The very next year is when Hamas was elected in 2006. The very next year

00:34:54.700 is when Hamas staged that takeover and they threw the Palestinian Authority out and turned Gaza into a

00:34:59.500 terror enclave with the support of the Palestinian people. There were no Jews living there. There was no

00:35:03.680 oppression. They chose to do this. And so this whole narrative of like Palestinian suffering,

00:35:09.340 the Palestinian suffering in Gaza is entirely of their own making. 110 percent. Israel left 15 years

00:35:16.860 ago, almost 20 years ago now. And they chose to turn it into a, you know, an Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas bed.

00:35:24.480 And that's on them. So, no, they're not oppressed. There's no oppression now.

00:35:29.400 OK, stand by a quick break right back. And then I want to show you an old interview that I did that I

00:35:36.120 you. You'll get it. Stand by.

00:35:43.640 This instant knee jerk thing to go to. Let's make it a political dispute. And we want to talk all

00:35:47.960 about how Israel's done very, very bad things that led to this terrorist attack. It's really Israel's

00:35:53.420 fault. This would be to me like right after 9-11 saying, OK, it was bad. You know, the terror. I mean,

00:36:00.580 I guess the direct analogy would be you wouldn't even say the terror was bad. You would just go

00:36:05.580 right to we deserved it. America deserved it. They put themselves in the position where they

00:36:09.820 outraged people in the Middle East and they had this coming. There was there was one or two people

00:36:16.340 after 9-11 who made those absurd arguments and they were excoriated for them. No one was willing

00:36:24.300 to entertain that kind of talk in the wake of a devastating terror attack that killed 3,000

00:36:30.360 innocents here in America. One of the lunatics who made the argument at the time was a guy named Ward

00:36:35.600 Churchill, a professor at UC Boulder. And in one of my favorite interviews of my career,

00:36:42.060 somehow my team managed to convince him to come on my show. And it was spectacular. The whole thing's

00:36:46.940 on YouTube. The whole exchange was well worth watching. But I'll give you a flavor for how it went

00:36:53.260 and how this university professor admitted he was feeling about the whole thing and what he was

00:36:57.620 saying. But he was the outlier. Here, watch. You thought that the dead Americans were just like

00:37:04.040 the Nazis. However, you had nothing but praise for the 9-11 hijackers. You called them courageous,

00:37:08.920 even gallant. Gallant? Do you believe the United States ought to be bombed?

00:37:15.640 I think the United States, by its own rules, is subject to being bombed.

00:37:20.220 You can't answer the question. Yes? Yeah, I have answered the question.

00:37:24.040 Yes or no. Yes or no, do we deserve to be bombed?

00:37:26.960 If it does not comply with law, it opens itself up to it, bombing that is. It opens itself up to having

00:37:35.420 done to it everything it does to anyone else. Why can't you have the courage to just answer,

00:37:38.580 honestly, yes or no? Do we deserve to be bombed? Just say it if you think it's true.

00:37:43.900 I say that if you open yourself up under rule of law for reciprocation in kind, it's quite likely

00:37:54.140 going to happen. That was like out of a few good men. Right? He started stumbling.

00:38:02.640 He was about to say, you can't handle the truth, you know?

00:38:05.100 Truly, truly. But that that's what you did with somebody who sounds like these college professors

00:38:13.200 today. But there was just the one maybe like he made national news when he made those comments.

00:38:18.060 It was a huge deal. Contrast that note of what's happening today on these university camp

00:38:23.260 campuses with its professor after professor coming out. You know, the guy Rickman at Cornell,

00:38:30.540 it was exhilarating. It was exciting to see Hamas on those paragliders coming over to murder those

00:38:37.020 kids. Yeah, it's you look back at that, even even that. And it's like it was a it was a more innocent

00:38:43.560 time. And I mean, I think there's a few things here. I mean, one is that this is this is this is

00:38:49.200 what happens when, you know, there's just a kind of conveyor belt of lunatics who get fed into the

00:38:56.160 university system. And the universities make a conscious decision that they are going to bring people

00:39:00.100 like that in. They create entire academic fields like gender studies, like, you know, peace and

00:39:06.240 justice studies that are these made up disciplines that are made up explicitly just to have more

00:39:10.920 radical leftist Marxists on campus. So part of it is just that, you know, whereas back then, you know,

00:39:18.060 I don't know, a quarter of the professors had those attitudes. Now two thirds of them do. So there's just

00:39:22.860 more of it. It's also I think there is a piece of this where they're willing to say this about Israel

00:39:28.940 and they wouldn't be willing to say about America because Israel is a lot easier to bully. And these

00:39:33.060 people are just a bunch of bullies. Part of what's so frightening about the longstanding

00:39:38.760 delegitimization and demonization campaign against Israel is that it's what it part of the real

00:39:45.540 strategy of it is to create a situation in which when something like this happens, you can then go

00:39:50.640 and say, well, the Israelis deserved it. They got what's coming. I mean, you know, either either it's great

00:39:56.360 that this happened or it's just not so bad that this happened or this is just what happens when

00:40:02.320 you're, you know, an evil demonic country like Israel is. And so it's kind of this like writ of

00:40:09.520 genocide that they create by attempting to inculcate students and young people and liberals with the

00:40:16.540 idea that Israel basically doesn't have a right to exist and that all Israelis are legitimate targets

00:40:22.140 so that when something like this happens, you know, it, it ends up seeming kind of normal and

00:40:27.340 typical to say like, yeah, they, they had a coming, you know, this is, this is, this is how things are

00:40:31.180 handled there. Um, and it's absolutely terrifying. They're one step away from, well, hurt people hurt

00:40:37.660 people. Oh, that's, I don't think they're even a step away from it. This is their, that's like

00:40:43.680 basically the message that this is, uh, occupied people resist. Yeah, that's, that's right. But,

00:40:51.620 but, but, but going, going back to, to, to what I said about American support for the IRA, you know,

00:40:58.300 which was very real and which I still find to be sort of nuanced. I think, I think Megan,

00:41:04.880 you're making the key point here, which is that what we saw on October 7th was so far beyond anything

00:41:14.480 that we even imagined was possible that that's what shocks me about the college professors that

00:41:22.200 you're not even starting with, okay, obviously this is not acceptable, even though the cause is

00:41:30.200 righteous. And I guess my question is, if, if what we witnessed there is not acceptable,

00:41:37.320 what's, what's the limiting principle here? And I think Noah's exactly right. I think that,

00:41:42.320 that what we, what Noah probably knew and what people who keep a closer eye on this probably knew

00:41:48.140 prior to October 7th, but which I didn't know was that Hamas would happily kill every Jew in Israel

00:41:56.020 to achieve their aims. They'd happily kill every Jew in Israel. And I shudder to think that a lot of

00:42:04.780 these college professors would agree with that sentiment. And I don't know how you fix that

00:42:09.500 because that's just pure evil. That's so true. Like, how do you fix it? Like how there's not

00:42:14.420 going to get fixed, Noah. We're not going to, even if they wipe out Hamas, we're not going to wipe out

00:42:20.000 anti-Semitism, uh, in the middle East or in Palestine. This problem is going to go on and on.

00:42:26.440 It's like, forgive the terminology, the phrasing, but it's almost the bare minimum Israel can do

00:42:31.640 right now is to wipe out Hamas. Yeah. Yeah. No. And look, I, it's part of what, what's been so

00:42:37.820 frightening about this is like, you see it, you know, if, if, if Hamas, if there was a line that

00:42:45.660 Hamas could cross that would cause Western leftists to basically say, okay, that's too,

00:42:51.400 you've gone too far. There's nothing that Hamas could pop. There's nothing that anyone has really

00:42:56.260 done in the annals of human savagery that is worse than what they did. Um, I mean, some of the things

00:43:02.860 they did have not even really been talked about. I mean, torturing children in front of their parents,

00:43:07.580 cutting limbs off. And I mean, just stuff that you don't, I don't like, I try not to think about.

00:43:12.160 Um, and so progressives basically have, have looked at that and said, um, okay, we're fine

00:43:17.980 with that. Um, there's no scenario in which anyone can go too far. Um, and so I, I think the lesson

00:43:25.120 here is that, um, our, our Ivy league, especially is, is a deeply poisoned place. Um, parents need to

00:43:32.400 stop sending their kids to these schools. We have schools that are actually wonderful. Um, Ben Sass

00:43:38.200 and the university of Florida, he is doing an amazing job. They're turning the university

00:43:41.940 of Florida into a sane place. There's other schools in Florida, um, that are being turned

00:43:46.540 into, into, into, into same places. Um, but my God, I don't care if, uh, my kids got into

00:43:52.840 Harvard, Yale, Princeton. I just wouldn't send them there. I simply wouldn't do it. Um, and it's time

00:43:58.000 there's, there, there is a tendency among kind of the upper middle class in this country to be

00:44:03.080 infatuated with prestige, um, and to want to brag to their friends about, you know, the Ivy league

00:44:07.620 school, their kid goes to, or the elite private school, their kid goes to. I, I, I think that it's

00:44:12.400 time for people to kind of give that up and recognize that, um, it's not just that these

00:44:17.200 schools are mediocre. It's that they're toxic and they're horrible. And your kid will be

00:44:20.520 indoctrinated with very, very bad, bad beliefs and bad values. Stop sending your kids to these

00:44:25.960 schools. There's other choices, send them to a religious school, send them to Hillsdale, uh, send them

00:44:30.880 to the university of, uh, of Austin, uh, the new, the new college that, that is getting off the

00:44:35.600 ground, but don't send them to Columbia. What's that? Exactly. Right. Grand Canyon university.

00:44:41.240 That's one of our sponsors. And I love their mission. Um, on this front, we've been making

00:44:45.660 a lot of references over the past two weeks to the Hamas charter and its founding documents.

00:44:49.400 Um, a guy I used to work with at Jones day, Willis Goldsmith, who I love, he's a Brown alum and

00:44:54.760 he's on the, as I call it, not another cupcake brigade. He's not giving them one more dollar at Brown.

00:45:00.340 Brown because of their antisemitism. Very open. They hired this lunatic at Brown who I think runs

00:45:06.300 their Mideast studies department that Willis has been jumping up and down about. The guy is totally

00:45:11.400 pro Hamas. And, um, Willis wrote this sub stack piece. He's retired from Jones day now, but he wrote

00:45:18.320 the sub stack piece all about this. And he quoted some of Hamas's founding documents. And I'll just give

00:45:24.480 you a couple of samples. All right. The Hamas charter of 1998, the preamble Israel will exist and will

00:45:30.320 continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it just as others before it. The state of goal of

00:45:35.600 Hamas quote, to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. That's article eight or,

00:45:40.940 and also the liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim, wherever he may

00:45:47.020 be. Article 13, it goes on. There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by jihad in the face

00:45:55.220 of the Jews usurpation. Uh, then it goes on. The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight

00:46:02.020 Jews and kill them. All right. You with me so far? The day of judgment will not come until the Muslims

00:46:06.560 fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees and the rocks and trees will

00:46:11.940 cry out. Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him. Or, and then there's also

00:46:18.620 Zionism scheming has no end. Their scheme has been laid out in the protocols of the elders of Zion.

00:46:25.680 It goes on. I mean, it's not just anti-Semitic, uh, anti-Zionist. It's a stated mission to kill

00:46:34.800 them all. Dave, it's right there. Can you imagine? You're not seeing the nuance there. I mean,

00:46:40.580 isn't it all so complicated? No. I mean, look, they want to kill Jews. I mean, that's,

00:46:44.940 that that's all they want to do. I mean, the people who support, who support Hamas,

00:46:49.700 they openly praise Hitler, right? They say, well, Hitler had the right idea, but it's going to be,

00:46:55.000 you know, the believers are the ones who are going to, you know, finally pull it off.

00:46:58.820 But they're very clear. We should believe them. Uh, but we don't because the wokesters have this

00:47:07.200 hierarchy of oppression and, and everything depends on where you fall in the hierarchy.

00:47:12.760 And also Dave, it's, it just, this puts the light of this bullshit about how it's like Israel's the

00:47:17.500 oppressor. That's what this is about. You know, no, they're founded to kill Jews. Go look at the

00:47:23.560 charter. They have one goal. It's not to stay have, you know, it's the Jews need to be eradicated.

00:47:29.420 And listen, but Megan, that that's why this is terrifying, right? I I'm, I'm only half Jewish and

00:47:34.860 I'm, I'm, I'm a practicing Catholic. My kid's only a quarter Jewish though. As my Jewish great

00:47:39.120 grandmother said to me, listen, you're Jewish enough for the Nazis, right? I never lived in

00:47:43.380 the United States where I thought that there were people who might want to kill me just because of

00:47:48.200 my Jewish heritage. I'm not so sure anymore. Right. Yeah. It's something that's, uh, it's,

00:47:54.780 it's like incomprehensible to Western people who we grow up in a culture and in a society that is

00:48:00.380 kind of reasonable and materialistic. And the assumption is that everyone basically wants to

00:48:06.600 get along and, you know, have mutually beneficial, uh, trade and relationships. Um, and then you read

00:48:13.680 something like that. And I think that people in the West, when they read things like the Hamas

00:48:17.980 charter, just assume that they don't really believe that because there's no way anyone could actually

00:48:23.480 believe that, but they actually don't have to look. I mean, yeah, you don't have to look very far to find

00:48:27.940 proof that they do just think about it for a second. We're going to take a quick break, but think about

00:48:31.480 the difference between that. And we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created

00:48:36.800 equal and the founding principles of the United States and of Israel, which looks similar to ours

00:48:41.860 versus those guys. Okay. That's what we're dealing with here.

00:48:48.840 We are not the only ones detecting what's going on on these college campuses, guys. Some, um,

00:48:55.300 more reasonable college professors are feeling it themselves. There was this guy who made news yesterday,

00:49:00.580 uh, his name is shy Davide and he's at Columbia and he posted a bit that went viral and he wanted it to

00:49:08.440 go viral where he was telling the students and their parents don't come here. Don't send your kid

00:49:15.320 here. He's from Israel, though. He says he's an atheist, but he's outraged living in America as

00:49:21.440 someone from Israel about the danger that now his, I think seven and two year old are in and what's

00:49:28.020 happening on his campus. Take a listen to this guy. I have a two year old daughter,

00:49:32.960 a feisty two year old daughter. She has two songs that are her favorite baby shark and shake it off by

00:49:41.720 Taylor Swift. And yet to the pro terror student organization on campus here and at Harvard and at

00:49:50.200 NYU and at Stanford and at Berkeley and at Northwestern, my two year old daughter is a legitimate target of

00:50:00.400 resistance. And none of the presidents of universities all around the country are

00:50:08.760 willing to take a stand. This is what cowards do. Last week, last week, we had thousands of

00:50:19.120 students chanting pro terror. They were celebrating the rape of teenage girls in a

00:50:30.160 music festival. Rape is never okay. My amazing two year old daughter was now 18 years old. I would

00:50:39.300 never, never send her to Columbia because I know that she will not be protected there because the

00:50:48.600 president of the university allows pro terrorists to march on campus. We would never allow, never allow

00:50:58.160 the KKK to march on campus. People have asked me in the past few days, are you not afraid to speak up?

00:51:04.360 You're putting your job on the line. You got it all wrong. I am speaking up because I'm afraid.

00:51:13.020 Oh my gosh. That was so powerful, Noah.

00:51:15.700 Yeah, that is, um, that is bad. Um, and he's not wrong. Um, the other side has embraced thuggery and

00:51:27.500 intimidation as the way they do politics. Um, and it's not surprising that they support terrorist groups,

00:51:34.140 um, because, um, you'll, you'll notice the kind of the, uh, that the style of the activism

00:51:41.380 on campuses and like that clip you showed in the high school, um, they're not calling for

00:51:47.860 like reasonable discussion. They're not calling for a debate. They're not calling for like education

00:51:53.900 and facts. They're not trying to persuade anyone, um, with like the legitimacy of their cause.

00:51:59.780 They are intimidating people. They're marching and they are doing it in a way that's aggressive,

00:52:04.580 um, that's in your face. I think this has become, um, one of the frightening things to me about the

00:52:10.120 left in America is, is over this, in particular, over the past few years, they've embraced this

00:52:15.280 style of politics of like, let's get out on the street and let's break shit. Let's intimidate

00:52:19.940 people. Let's smash things up. Um, it is deeply illiberal, illiberal. It is totally incompatible

00:52:25.260 with living in, um, a modern society. Um, but they like it because people, it scares people. And these

00:52:32.940 people get like, they get their jollies from scaring people. It's, it's exciting to them. Um, and I don't

00:52:39.440 know, it's like, it's very asymmetric because, um, the Jewish kids on campus and like the non pro

00:52:45.420 terror students on campus, um, they're not going to, they're just, they're not going to like punch

00:52:51.540 these people in the face when they get in their faces, right? Like they're not going to behave like

00:52:55.480 them. Um, because our kids are nice kids and they're American kids, um, and they're not psycho

00:53:01.820 lunatics. And so it's like this unfair fight. And so what you need to actually have is for the

00:53:06.940 authorities on campus to step in and say, you're not going to behave like this on our campus.

00:53:11.260 We're not going to do like intimidation, um, and go in March in the streets, cheering on terrorism.

00:53:17.100 Um, but they don't do that. Um, and the, the, the leadership of the campuses are absent.

00:53:22.920 They're absent partly because they support this and their fellow travelers and they're absent also,

00:53:28.280 um, because they're, these people are not leaders in the way you become a president of a university

00:53:32.740 today or on the board of a university today is not by having principles and courage. It is by

00:53:38.020 being a weather vane and just going along with whatever, being sensitive to whatever people

00:53:42.480 want and giving it to them. Um, and so we have a real crisis on our campuses and I just hope to God

00:53:47.280 that students start leaving these schools. I, I ever, no one should give a penny to any of these

00:53:52.560 schools. No normal person who is an alum of these schools should ever donate again.

00:53:56.440 There's, there's, there's a rank hypocrisy here too, that I really think needs to be highlighted. Um,

00:54:02.540 which is that if any of the three of us were giving a speech tonight at Columbia university,

00:54:09.540 right? The university would offer the students safe spaces, coloring books, puppies, right? Because

00:54:18.540 Megan and Noah, we're very dangerous. I don't know if you know this, but people like us and Matt Walsh

00:54:24.320 and Ben Shapiro, we're all very, very dangerous. And if we were to appear on a college campus,

00:54:28.700 that college would need to take significant steps to protect, right? The, the, the mental state

00:54:35.060 of their students here, we have thousands of people chanting that they want to kill Jews.

00:54:42.780 Look, I'm not going to cut them any break there. They're celebrating what Hamas did. And there are

00:54:49.100 Jewish students in their dorm rooms. Are those Jewish students being offered counseling and a

00:54:55.080 safe space and coloring books and puppies? I don't see a whole lot about that. So it's absolutely

00:55:01.300 infuriating and we're just expected to take it. It's, it's bullshit.

00:55:06.820 And at the same time, at the same time, Dave, now suddenly these universities like UPenn have found

00:55:12.360 their commitment to free speech, you know, right? Really important that we allow people to say how

00:55:18.460 they feel. Where were you during the BLM protests during when there was a counter narrative coming

00:55:25.040 out from, you know, heterodox thinkers like Glenn Lowry and so on. Where were you during the whole

00:55:29.520 trans? I mean, just thought last week, not UPenn, which is the Ivy league, but Penn state,

00:55:35.100 they banned Riley gains from, from going to speak because she thinks that women are real and only

00:55:43.100 we can be them. Men can't be them. Um, where's, where was the amazing commitment to free speech

00:55:48.600 then Dave? I mean, you and I have been on this show for how long now talking about this thing.

00:55:52.080 And now suddenly, uh, they've seen the light. Yeah, no, they don't, they don't believe in free

00:55:58.180 speech. They, they, free speech fits in with all of their other hierarchies, right? Remember,

00:56:03.280 go back to occupy wall street. I spend a lot of time at occupy wall street, not as a protester,

00:56:08.480 but because I was fascinated by it and I was writing about it. People forget their government

00:56:13.400 to the extent that they had one use something that was called a progressive stack, right? So when you

00:56:18.860 showed up at occupy wall street and you wanted to speak at the general assembly, remember, and they

00:56:23.180 all did like the, you know, instead of clapping or whatever, the way that worked was you were scheduled

00:56:28.820 to speak based on where you fell on the hierarchy of oppression. So if you were a black trans lesbian,

00:56:35.940 you were going to speak first or second. If you were a white guy, you might, I mean, you go get

00:56:43.180 dinner or something. Cause you're probably not getting on at all. Right. I mean, this is, this is how

00:56:47.800 they operate. Speech is only valuable when it comes from, from the oppressed. So they don't believe in

00:56:52.980 free speech. I mean, they, they never have, this is laughable. And now, no, it's amazing. I saw you

00:56:59.260 call attention to this today. We saw the same, uh, you pen again, back to the Ivy league, you pen,

00:57:05.040 which is, I mean, they're like kind of ground zero for a lot of the madness right now. Although,

00:57:09.380 you know, they're getting a run for their money from Harvard and Cornell, but you pen,

00:57:14.820 instead of being like, my God, we're deeply sorry for our lunatic professors and students who are

00:57:20.840 terrorizing our Jewish colleagues and students, they're doubling down. They put out a faculty

00:57:28.340 Senate statement in which they basically flip off these you pen donors. And I think chairman of their

00:57:38.640 board who have said, as I've been putting it, not another cupcake, not a cupcake at a bake sale.

00:57:43.740 It's done until you have a course correction. And even then we'll have to see. They put out this

00:57:49.340 message. I'll read you part of it. We write to affirm our commitment to freedom of thought,

00:57:54.700 inquiry, and speech. Oh, it's so noble. So glad you finally got there. These values, it's literally

00:58:00.420 laughable. These values are being threatened by individuals outside of the university who are

00:58:06.180 surveilling both faculty and students in an effort to intimidate them and inhibit their academic

00:58:14.280 freedom. These are three of the signatories here. Let us be clear. Academic freedom is an essential

00:58:20.320 component of a world-class university and is not a commodity that can be bought or sold by those who

00:58:27.700 seek to use their pocket books to shape our mission. What do you make of it? I mean, this is,

00:58:34.540 this is like out of a Tom Wolf novel. Um, it's so perfect and they've got everything and it's also,

00:58:41.360 it's, it's, it's, it's, they're used to, we early in all this, there was a phrase called cry bully

00:58:46.420 to describe these people that I don't know. It was like popular for a couple of years and then it went

00:58:50.920 out of fashion. And I actually would like to revive it because I actually cry bully is the perfect term for

00:58:55.820 this because their behavior is always the same, which is they're both victims. Um, and they also want to

00:59:02.780 like beat you over the head with a baseball bat while they're crying about how unsafe they feel.

00:59:06.980 And this, so this letter is like the, it's like this amazing moment. I was actually surprised.

00:59:10.900 I tweeted the letter at someone, Penn sent it to me and said, can you tweet this? And so I tweeted it

00:59:14.680 out and I was, I've been shocked at how it's gotten like a thousand or something retweets. And I was

00:59:19.640 shocked at how, how much people are paying attention to this and how much this resonated as a perfect

00:59:26.200 emblematic example of everything that's wrong with the campuses right now, where here you have these,

00:59:31.460 uh, professors, um, donors don't have any obligation to give money to the university.

00:59:36.200 These people give millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts because they had a good

00:59:39.300 time when they went to college there, when they went to Wharton and they want to support the

00:59:42.240 community and help other kids get scholarships and get educated. And the, the, the entitlement that's

00:59:47.020 here of, uh, basically saying to these donors, you need to hand over your money and, and, and you're

00:59:51.320 not allowed to like weigh in or criticize us or have any, anything to do with how this campus

00:59:55.720 operates surveilling survey, you mean surveilling us what you're saying? It's absurd. It's absurd.

01:00:02.780 And, and, and also I found the, the, the undertone, I mean, a number of these donors who've pulled out

01:00:07.340 are Jewish and, and the, there was like this vibe in the letter of like, you Jews can't manipulate us

01:00:14.120 with your money. And it's like, Hey, you know, like no one, these guys are giving money. They're

01:00:19.520 giving millions of dollars, uh, as the charitable donations, no one's trying to manipulate anything.

01:00:23.860 You're just pissed off that you're not getting your way for once, you know, and they're having

01:00:27.960 a tantrum about it. It's amazing. They want the bench. They're going to have to deal with it.

01:00:31.620 They want that. That's right. To quote Ilan, was it Ilan Omar? One of the members. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:00:37.000 So that that's the thing. So like they're pissed. These students are actually pissed that they're

01:00:40.740 not going to get jobs with Apollo, you know, run by Mark Rowan, the guy who wrote the letter to you,

01:00:44.800 Penn saying that's my phrase, not another cupcake, but it's done. Um, they're pissed. They want jobs.

01:00:50.200 They do want to work in investment banking and at the hedge fund and at the white shoe law firms.

01:00:56.060 And they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to say Israel sucks and they

01:00:59.540 should die. But I work at Winston and strong. Look at me. I work at Apollo. I'm at black rock.

01:01:05.500 That's well, guess what? It's a no. Well, they could always, they can always work for the New York

01:01:10.740 times. I mean, there's, there's still that. It's not as lucrative though. It's not as lucrative,

01:01:15.920 but, but no, but seriously, you ask yourself the question, like how did the New York times and so

01:01:21.320 many of these other news agencies foul up this hospital story so badly? A friend of mine,

01:01:26.380 Armin Rosen thinks it's the biggest fuck up in journalism of his lifetime. And I, I think Armin

01:01:31.580 might be right. And you say, you know, I mean, imagine sitting in the newsroom, you're in the

01:01:36.800 newsroom in the New York times story comes through. Oh my goodness. Israel just bombed the hospital in

01:01:42.360 Gaza. There's 500 dead. The editor says, oh, well, we better get on that. What's the source?

01:01:47.060 Oh, the source is Hamas who just massacred 260 people at a rave on Saturday. It's like, okay,

01:01:52.660 well, that's good enough for me. I mean, let's put it on. Let's run it. That's like, it's like

01:01:56.040 running a headline that says the mafia does not exist and sourcing it to John Gotti, right? Which by

01:02:02.140 the way, the mafia does not exist, but I mean, this is the same nonsense. And the reason that it

01:02:08.060 happens is because those people go right through journalism school at Columbia or Harvard or

01:02:13.880 whatever it is, land right at the New York times. And they don't have the slightest fucking idea what

01:02:18.800 they're doing. Oh, I don't know. He would not hire people who went to Columbia journalism school.

01:02:24.940 He was a plus when you interviewed with him, if you had never been to J school and certainly not at

01:02:29.320 Columbia, he knew back then, you know, I interviewed with him when I was, I don't think, I guess it must

01:02:33.520 have been 2004 and he knew, and look at us now, almost 20 years later, the rot that exists inside

01:02:40.600 of these institutions, Noah. This to me is a great debate about, you know, did they screw up or was

01:02:46.860 this a, an intentional mistake? And I come down pretty firmly on the side of like, they, I think

01:02:51.700 these people knew exactly what they were doing. I mean, uh, there have been now 15 years of these

01:02:56.800 Israel Hamas or Israel Hezbollah outbreaks of violence. This little pattern has been repeated in

01:03:02.680 virtually every single one of those conflicts. I was over there during them. And I remember,

01:03:06.840 I remember all of it vividly. And it's like the same word, like Groundhog Day here, where

01:03:11.200 something blows up in Gaza or Lebanon. Um, the terrorist group runs out. This is exactly what

01:03:17.920 they want for their media narrative to make themselves look like victims. And they, they take,

01:03:22.020 they pull the dead bodies out of the rubble and they say, Oh my God, look what the Jews did.

01:03:25.520 Um, and the Western media just runs with it. I mean, this has happened so many times. And to your

01:03:30.400 point, Dave, like Hamas claimed that 500 people were killed about 45 minutes after this explosion

01:03:37.580 happened. How do you, it took Israel days to count that many, to actually, you know, make it

01:03:43.760 accounting for that many victims. They had it. And how do you count 500 bodies under the rubble in 45

01:03:49.400 minutes? That alone, if you were an editor at the New York times, you would have just been like, okay,

01:03:53.640 let's, let's, uh, pump the brakes on this one guys. Um, but they didn't because it was too good to

01:03:59.720 check. Yep. If you have any doubt, and I'm sure our audience doesn't about the bias in the media,

01:04:05.400 the Washington post, you guys probably saw this yesterday published, uh, a story with a photo

01:04:13.100 about the hostages. And in particular about, uh, this mother, Hadass Calderon, uh, on the phone

01:04:21.500 talking about how she had a concerned look, pen and paper ready. Both of her children, 12 year old

01:04:27.720 son, Erez and 16 year old daughter, Sahar were at their father's house. When Hamas entered their

01:04:33.360 kibbutz after hiding, uh, and Israel forces showed Hadass's older daughter found an 18 second video

01:04:39.840 circulating on social media. It showed Erez in a black t-shirt being gripped by both arms and led

01:04:44.880 into captivity. The photos that accompanied this piece originally were captioned as follows.

01:04:54.160 Hadass Calderon, a resident of a kibbutz near Oz in an apartment in Tel Aviv on Thursday. Two of her

01:04:59.820 children have been detained by Hamas detained. And only later, I presume when they got some nasty

01:05:09.860 online feedback, did they change it to have been taken hostage by Hamas detained. Detained is like

01:05:15.940 what happens when you go through airport security with TSA and you beep, you get detained for two

01:05:20.960 seconds over to the side as they give you an additional wanding. These are young children.

01:05:25.240 This is a 12 year old, a 16 year old who're probably being put through hell right now at the

01:05:32.760 hands of these animals who have murdered kids just like them.

01:05:39.860 It's, it's, it's infuriating. I mean, I'm sitting here shaking. I really am Megan. I, you know,

01:05:44.640 you say that and I think about my 13 year old son and I, I, to know that this is what's happening

01:05:54.240 to your child. I can't imagine that level of horror and the responsibility that you have as a journalist,

01:06:02.920 when people are experiencing this kind of pain to mock that pain, to humiliate the victims in that

01:06:11.240 way. It is absolutely unconscionable. And I don't care if they change the caption, whoever wrote that

01:06:16.920 caption needs to be fired and never hired paper again. Yes. There's no accountability. Someone

01:06:22.260 wrote it and an editor approved it and the times printed it. Sorry. The post printed it. They're

01:06:27.060 interchangeable. And there's been no accountability right, right now. I mean, there won't be Noah.

01:06:31.300 But someone actually looked at that situation and said, they've been detained. That came into

01:06:35.880 their head. It went out through their pen. It wound up in print. It's so vicious and so cruel. And it's

01:06:42.080 like an additional layer of cruelty and the way, and it's also the kind of meticulousness of it,

01:06:49.420 of the line and the need for like to get the lies in at every little level. So you can't say in the,

01:06:55.840 in the photo caption, even just the truth that these are children who've been taken hostage by

01:07:00.520 terrorists. You have to, you have to come up with this, this euphemism for it to, to protect the

01:07:04.980 terrorists. The Washington Post had another one they did. They put out this like digital presentation

01:07:09.120 by a guy named Evan Hill that was about showing the different places that had been bombed. And he

01:07:14.040 just sort of casually says in there that, that Israel has been striking these targets and the

01:07:18.800 targets include, you know, military installations and places of worship as if Israel was just bombing

01:07:25.920 mosques for fun in Gaza. They weren't places of worship. They were places of worship that also

01:07:31.340 served as rocket storage and munition storage and like terrorist personnel barracks, um, for Hamas.

01:07:38.400 That's why they were bombed. But he doesn't say that he just goes, Oh yeah, well, they bombed

01:07:42.760 places of worship, um, to, to make it as if Israel is just being kind of cruel for fun, that this is

01:07:50.700 some, you know, Israel is carrying out a war against Islam, against civilians. Um, and it's a

01:07:55.860 lie. They don't bomb mosques just because they're mosques. They bombed a few mosques in Gaza because

01:08:00.520 they were, Hamas was using them, um, as, as, as military, uh, sites. And this is, I think these

01:08:07.560 people know exactly what they're doing. I don't think Evan Hill really believes that Israel was just

01:08:12.000 bombing mosque. I think he knows damn well that there was, there was munitions there, but this is part of

01:08:16.680 the propaganda effort and these people should all be fired, but they won't be because the paper knows

01:08:21.140 what it's doing. And this is, this is how they like to operate now. They have to shame Israel.

01:08:25.240 They've got to get some skin in the game for people to think Israel is bad and, and barbaric

01:08:31.000 the way Hamas is. It's important that it, that Israel be painted as just as demonic and barbaric as

01:08:36.800 Hamas. And so if you can say Israeli airstrike killed 500 at suffering hospital, you know, full of

01:08:43.360 suffering victims. Great. Let's do it. Um, our friends over at, um, Washington free beacon,

01:08:49.660 your place, uh, Noah, they, they put together a super cut of some of the reporting on that and just

01:08:55.240 how, just, just how wrong it was. And with the thumb, of course, just on the one side, no one

01:09:02.120 rushed to say, you know what, this is probably Hamas rocket kills its own people. And history tells us

01:09:10.160 the numbers probably overstated, did not see that headline anywhere. So here's what we were seeing.

01:09:16.520 Sat 11 between 200 and 300 people were killed in a bombing targeting a hospital. That's according to

01:09:23.680 a spokesperson for the Palestinian health ministry. The IDF is vehemently saying that they did not do

01:09:29.320 that. That was not their bomb. The Israeli military at this point is not providing any evidence to back

01:09:35.320 up its claims that this was a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket. Hundreds of people have been killed.

01:09:40.620 That is not really consistent with the kind of death toll that you would see from a rocket. Hamas does not

01:09:46.200 have the kind of munitions that could do this kind of damage. The Palestinians are talking about 500

01:09:51.420 dead. It is unlikely that a rocket, a crude rocket fired by a Palestinian group could cause that number of

01:09:58.060 casualties.

01:09:58.480 Right. So what's the next question, Dave? What's the what should your next question be? It's usually

01:10:05.740 the Hamas rockets can't cause 500 people to die. So what? So their conclusion was immediately. So

01:10:12.520 it's Israel. What's the other possible? As opposed to like maybe 500 people didn't die. Yeah. I mean,

01:10:18.780 listen, the news media is broken. You know, Marcy has the song journalists who lie. And there's an awful

01:10:24.160 lot of them these days. And I really think that our entire industry needs to have a massive

01:10:31.060 reckoning because something like 80 percent of Americans don't trust the media. And I work in

01:10:36.400 the media and I don't blame them. We need a new set of standards. We need a new set of rules. The old

01:10:42.080 ones are broken. What these news outlets did running with the lies of Hamas terrorists with with absolute

01:10:49.940 total credulity is unacceptable. And it's it's really bad for our society. If we can't trust the

01:10:59.960 news and the government, then we end up that all that does is help the conspiracy theorists and the

01:11:06.360 wokesters. It becomes, you know, this fertile breeding ground for lies. And we need to fix it. And

01:11:13.760 right now it's not looking good.

01:11:15.040 You know, no, it wasn't just that supercut. I mean, and that included CNN, included CBS. It

01:11:20.140 included, you know, all the sort of the blue chip brands in media, if you ask the mainstream.

01:11:25.420 Here's NBC. Now, I worked at NBC. They have standards and practices. Everything has to get

01:11:30.020 run through the lawyers before it hits air. And they allowed this reporter to come up Wednesday.

01:11:35.220 All right. The bombing happened on Tuesday. And by Wednesday morning, we knew we had heard the

01:11:41.520 audio tape from the, you know, two Hamas guys. We had seen all the radar. We had seen the Al Jazeera

01:11:46.960 video showing that the rockets came from Gaza. So and we knew about the hospital and that it wasn't

01:11:52.420 500. We knew that that it was a parking lot. It wasn't the hospital and so on. So they allowed

01:11:57.320 this report to come up with no pushback. Watch this 12. But the matter of fact, that a rocket,

01:12:03.300 according to the expert, a rocket that hit and killed 900 people cannot be a Palestinian rocket.

01:12:09.060 This is the argument that we hear and from the Palestinian side, the magnitude, the explosive,

01:12:13.460 the impact. According to the expert, that Israeli occupation is the one party responsible for that

01:12:19.060 situation. In the Baptist hospital, there was a conference that was organized by doctors

01:12:23.660 and by paramedics and around them. And in front of them, there were hundreds of bodies of people

01:12:29.480 who were killed. So catastrophic situation that is getting even more catastrophic and people of

01:12:34.060 Gaza are overwhelmed and saddened. All right, Akram Al-Satari, thank you so much and continue to

01:12:39.940 stay safe. Thank you so much. Now, 900, 900 is the number there when we well knew by that point.

01:12:48.460 Go ahead, Noah.

01:12:54.340 No, it's incredible. It's like, you know, it's amazing. It's like, they saw that they had this

01:13:02.720 opportunity and they were going for everything. And next to that parking lot at that time or something,

01:13:13.720 something like that. This is an old story. I mean, if people are old enough to remember the

01:13:18.360 Janine massacre myth from 2002 during the Intifada, where CNN and a bunch of mainstream outlets went

01:13:28.820 totally credulously with a bunch of Palestinian claims that the IDF had gone into Janine and

01:13:33.600 committed a massacre of hundreds of civilians. No such thing happened. It was completely made up.

01:13:37.700 And yet that was the dominant media narrative in Western media for days. So the other thing about

01:13:44.780 this that's so maddening is like these press outlets, they should know better. This has happened

01:13:50.580 before. This happens every time there's a war that Palestinians make up. There's a phrase for it. It's

01:13:54.860 called Paliwood. They make up these atrocities to blame on Israel. And it's called Paliwood. It's

01:14:00.860 been going on since Mohammed al-Dura. It's been going on since the Janine massacre myth,

01:14:04.800 on and on. And the fact that the Western outlets keep running with it tells me that they know what

01:14:11.400 they're doing. They're not just making mistakes here. They're pushing a narrative.

01:14:15.200 Did you say Paliwood? Like Hollywood or Bollywood?

01:14:17.740 Paliwood.

01:14:18.020 Like Hollywood. Yeah. Paliwood.

01:14:19.760 I think it makes perfect sense. I love it.

01:14:21.580 There are these great clips of the guys on stretchers, you know, running around with all

01:14:26.080 the guys loading them in the ambulance. And then the guy gets up out of the ambulance and walks out

01:14:29.200 the back and they shoot it again.

01:14:30.300 No, these guys are very good at terror and they're very good at propaganda. Those are their two biggest

01:14:35.720 tools and they're very effective. I want to stay on the media for another minute. Here's so I

01:14:41.120 listen in the mornings. My audience knows I listen to Morning Wire, Dave, where Dave Marcus appears

01:14:46.340 doing great reporting. And I listen to NPRs up first because I like to see what the left is saying

01:14:52.480 too. Right. And I don't like any mind control over me. I like to sort of understand what's out

01:14:56.320 there. And I my jaw dropped yesterday morning when I listened to the up first on NPR. So this is

01:15:03.640 yesterday morning. We knew everything. The Europeans had already been saying that their

01:15:07.320 best estimate on the number of dead at the parking lot, not at the hospital, was between 10 and 50,

01:15:12.820 10 and 5. Oh, not 500, not 900, as NBC had reported the evening before. We knew it was a parking

01:15:19.800 lot. We knew that we'd seen all the evidence from the IDF. Our president had come out and said our

01:15:27.000 Pentagon is saying it was the other guys. It wasn't Israel. It was Islamic Jihad. And so all of that we

01:15:33.580 knew that the president said explicitly explicitly last night it was them. It was not Israel. That's

01:15:39.860 from our Pentagon. Definitively. Yesterday morning, listen to this report on NPR.

01:15:48.680 The Palestinian health ministry says around 470 people were killed in that blast. Many, if not most,

01:15:54.760 were children. Israel blames an errant militant rocket, but Palestinians and the rest of the Middle

01:15:59.340 East, including the governments here, say it was Israel. And so the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza

01:16:04.160 is on display every day that this war continues. The South in these so-called safe zones aren't

01:16:09.720 safe either. NPR's producer down there saw kids being pulled from the rubble of their homes in

01:16:13.660 recent days. More information about the incident is emerging, but it's far from conclusive. And

01:16:18.800 the Israelis and Palestinians are still blaming each other. You know, we just may never know.

01:16:25.840 National Palestinian radio, we call it. I promise you, Megan, that that second voice that comes in,

01:16:30.800 because these things get recorded before, right? If you're listening to The Daily, you're not hearing

01:16:36.020 that live, right? And so mistakes do get made because things will happen after night, you know,

01:16:41.040 happen, you know, overnight or whatever. But even that cleanup was ridiculous, right? These guys love

01:16:48.220 Joe Biden. These guys think Joe Biden needs four more years as president. And they think Joe Biden's

01:16:53.400 lying to us about this. This makes no sense. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

01:16:58.580 Your tolerance for like 25-year-old women and their up talk. I listen to NPR occasionally on my drive

01:17:06.160 home. And it's like, it's so unbearable on like a cultural level. It's always these like

01:17:11.660 25-year-old girls talking like this. And then Hamas said, and it's unbearable. It's totally unbearable.

01:17:19.520 And then there's, and then there's this woman, her name is Layla, who's like, and now we go to the

01:17:25.160 Middle East conflict. She's doing her level best to turn it into a 1-900 call.

01:17:30.920 Downtrack of Subarus everywhere.

01:17:33.200 Just going to leave it at that for right now. I've got to spend a minute on Ben Collins.

01:17:38.260 So Ben Collins is NBC's disinformation reporter. And I think we just fairly need to change it to

01:17:47.060 disinformation purveyor. It's amazing what he's done here. If you are the disinformation guy,

01:17:53.500 this story is a goldmine. This thing about the, the miss reporting on that hospital. This is,

01:17:58.540 this is what you waited your whole life for. You could win a Pulitzer if you just deconstruct

01:18:03.340 exactly how it went down. No, this is what Ben Collins, and this is from Robbie Suave, who's been,

01:18:10.480 who posted a piece online, who's going after him squarely saying he specializes in disinformation.

01:18:17.060 He got the 2023 Cronkite award for excellence in television, public, uh, political journalism.

01:18:23.100 Okay. Um, so he points out this guy's tweeting. Now here's somebody who tweeted, uh, this is a

01:18:29.820 somebody named Jordan Klein tweeted. This is horrific, but can we wait? This is as it's breaking.

01:18:33.840 This is horrific, but can we wait a bit to see what actually unfolded before parroting the Hamas

01:18:38.560 government that this was an Israeli airstrike? There are conflicting reports. The explosion was

01:18:43.900 caused by a failed Hamas rocket. Ben Collins responds. This is NBC. I think people should

01:18:49.420 know hundreds of people died at a hospital immediately. Actually, that's why I picked

01:18:55.260 that headline specifically. Then here's someone named Beth Balsam who tweets. It's an absolute

01:19:01.140 horror that anyone of good conscience can mourn over period. At the same time, these innocent victims

01:19:06.700 were put in danger in the first place by Hamas's terrorism and their strategy to embed with civilians

01:19:11.700 and may very well have died by a Hamas rocket. Context is important to which he responded.

01:19:17.960 We don't know that yet. What we do know is that hundreds are dead at a hospital, which this headline

01:19:24.780 outlines. You could keep going. He's now on the defense of not owning any of it, trying to say that

01:19:32.780 these are Fox news attacks and that he's not responsible. And really basically thank God for him.

01:19:39.320 Noah is his main takeaway. Thank God for Ben Collins. This guy is like one of the biggest

01:19:45.220 clowns in the world. And he's also a great example of how I have kind of a psychology theory around

01:19:51.780 some of these progressive activists, which is that there's a lot of Freudian projection going on.

01:19:56.660 And so it makes perfect sense that like when you see someone parading themselves around as a

01:20:01.240 disinformation reporter and a disinformation expert, you can basically be totally sure that what they

01:20:07.400 actually do is promote disinformation and spread disinformation. Because I don't know about you,

01:20:11.960 but like I actually try to do the everything I say, everything I claim. If I say something in an

01:20:16.400 article or on Twitter, like I genuinely try to make sure it's true and accurate, make a good faith effort.

01:20:20.860 Like it would never occur to me to sort of advertise myself as combating disinformation because I don't

01:20:27.440 purvey disinformation. It's only someone with a guilty conscience who would go around saying like,

01:20:31.900 oh, I need to combat disinformation. So the whole fact checking industry, the disinformation industry

01:20:37.360 in the media is all like out of Sigmund Freud, in my opinion. It's so true. Like I've never heard

01:20:43.500 Victor Davis Hanson come on and say, I'm really smart. I'm very smart. Trust me how smart I am.

01:20:48.140 Or Jordan Peterson, you know, like I am very smart. You should live. They know we, they don't have to

01:20:53.520 tell us. They're like, we just listen to their words. These guys, he knows he, he doesn't have the

01:20:58.980 facts. And so he's got to come out there and say, no, no, no, I'm a factual purveyor. Trust me,

01:21:02.160 trust me, trust me. Suave points out, this is the same guy, Dave, who downplayed the New York Post

01:21:08.780 Hunter Biden laptop scandal. He didn't think that was a problem with disinformation and 51 experts who

01:21:16.780 said it's Russian disinformation, which we now know was itself disinformation. And Ben Collins had no

01:21:22.520 interest in it. He denied that there was ever any effort to censor the lab leak theory of

01:21:28.900 COVID-19. This is who NBC is relying on as its, you know, in-house fact checker.

01:21:37.060 Yeah. I mean, look, Noah's right. The fact checking industry, whether internal or external is,

01:21:43.140 is just an, an abject disgrace. And unfortunately they have a big impact and they have a chilling

01:21:49.900 impact because these organizations like NewsGuard or these clowns like Ben Collins, you know, they go out

01:21:55.740 and they claim that this outlet or that outlet are, you know, spreading disinformation and this

01:22:01.480 wasn't true and advertisers run scared from it. And so I've spoken to editors who have had accurate

01:22:08.380 real stories that they knew were true about climate change or about the trans issue or about one of

01:22:14.000 these, you know, third rail issues. And they don't run it. Right. Because they say, look, if I run this,

01:22:19.800 I'm going to get slammed by these people, we're going to lose revenue. It's going to get shut down

01:22:23.940 anyway. It's, it's killing the news industry. And I actually believe that the, the, the, the state of

01:22:32.140 the American news industry is the greatest crisis that faces our country right now, because without it,

01:22:37.580 without the ability of the American people to, to have some faith and trust, we can't do anything

01:22:43.740 collectively. I just want to show people just as a reminder, as a result of this story,

01:22:50.580 this fake news story that was completely botched by virtually everyone on the left, which, but you

01:22:55.800 know, that's the media, the New York times, the Washington post, the BBC, you could go down the

01:23:00.140 list and you, you know, the usual suspects. Um, we saw, we aired it the other day, all the protests

01:23:05.260 ongoing. Look at Turkey last night. This is out of Turkey. Watch this.

01:23:13.740 It's unbelievable. So for the listening audience, I don't even know tens of thousands. I think I,

01:23:22.100 at least 10,000, I guess I'd say I'm just hard to estimate, but they are packed into this anti

01:23:28.960 Israel pro-Palestinian rally, um, over in Malaysia pro-Palestinian demonstrators burning us and Israeli

01:23:37.880 flags, uh, as long as, as well as these pictures of Netanyahu. That's super fun for them.

01:23:43.740 You know, no empathy, of course, whatsoever, or those who have been murdered in Egypt,

01:23:50.060 same Egypt supposed to be like one of the more reasonable ones. Is it, uh, in Egypt,

01:23:54.680 you've got the pro-Palestinian protesters taking the streets there, like the amount of anger

01:24:00.640 generated by these news reports were still steeped in it. And by the way, I mean, it's pretty

01:24:06.340 interesting, Noah, that they didn't come out. They didn't come out. These people after we saw

01:24:10.740 1500 dead Israelis, they didn't come out to chant or protest the murder of anybody on the Israeli side.

01:24:17.860 They're, they're just mad about this hospital bombing, which was not really a bombing. It was

01:24:23.340 a failed rocket by Islamic Jihad. Yeah. And they're not even really mad about that because the reality

01:24:31.060 is that when other Arab regimes massacre their own people, as they have many times in recent memory,

01:24:38.180 um, I mean, I, the, the supposed, like, uh, people whose heart bleeds for Palestinians. Um,

01:24:45.260 one of the, one of the things that happened during the, all the fighting in Syria in the past decade

01:24:49.860 was that, um, Assad and Russia, they bombed Palestinian communities to smithereens. They

01:24:57.240 killed hundreds, I believe thousands of Palestinians in Syria and the BBC and the New York times and the

01:25:04.000 Washington post. It was completely unremarkable. Um, there was no, uh, there were no rallies in the

01:25:08.900 streets. There was no breathless media coverage. Everyone was fine with it. Um, and it tells you

01:25:13.520 something important about the way the modern left works, which is that the, the, the, the supposed

01:25:19.220 concern over, over one of these incidents is not about the incident itself. It's about who they can

01:25:24.220 blame. So blaming Bashar Assad, uh, you know, uh, an Alawite, um, uh, that's not, that's not that

01:25:31.340 exciting. Being able to blame Israel, uh, an American client state, an American ally, a Western

01:25:35.840 country, a Jewish country. That's very, very exciting. Um, so it's not actually about if a thousand

01:25:42.200 Palestinians get killed somewhere, they don't, they pretend to care about the Palestinians.

01:25:46.140 What's exciting is who they can blame. Can they blame America? Can they blame Britain? Can they

01:25:50.140 blame it? Blame Israel? That's what gets everyone fired up. All right. Before we go, I've got to ask

01:25:54.680 you, Dave Marcus, one question about Jon Stewart, just off topic, but I'm, I'm curious to get your

01:25:59.440 reaction. Turns out his show, the problem with Jon Stewart is no more, uh, single tier. It debuted in

01:26:07.940 2021. It lasted a total of two seasons. According to the rap, it suffered a massive drop off in

01:26:15.700 viewership during season one. It had started with 180,000 homes tuning in by the fifth episode.

01:26:22.320 It had dropped by nearly 80% to only 40,000. Now we're in season two, which he said, you just wait

01:26:29.880 until what you see, see what I can do in season two. What happened to you in season two is your show

01:26:34.760 died. The show's going away. The New York times says it's because Stewart and Apple had disagreements

01:26:41.420 over topics that were to be covered, including AI and China. That's actually kind of funny. If true,

01:26:48.560 like Apple doesn't want reporting on China. Um, but I would submit that it's more likely as a result of

01:26:56.760 things like this. Sot 21. We have 98% of the young people who have gender dysphoria, that they are able

01:27:08.080 to move past that. And once they have the help that they need, no longer suffer from gender dysphoria,

01:27:14.760 98% without, uh, that medical treatment. That's an incredibly made up figure.

01:27:20.780 He's a prick. He's a factual and he failed. What do you make? He's one of the reasons why the news

01:27:30.220 media is in the horrible state that it is. I mean, his show was funny. His show was cute. You know,

01:27:35.540 I think we'd all tune in and there were definitely good bits. His bit defending New York pizza, I think

01:27:40.600 is still a gold standard of comedy. But the other thing that he did and that the daily show did was

01:27:46.140 that it pretended that there was only one reasonable viewpoint in the world. At the time that he

01:27:52.080 started, it was like anything against George W. Bush. Right. And so he appeared on the one hand,

01:27:57.280 like he was even handed. Right. And then Colbert kind of like was play acting as a conservative.

01:28:02.800 And like, this was all happening on this show. In fact, he was convincing his viewers that there was

01:28:09.400 only one acceptable worldview in the world. And so we went from a media that used to have crossfire,

01:28:15.380 where a very smart liberal and a very smart conservative would argue with each other

01:28:19.420 to the daily show where snarky Jon Stewart would just tell us all what to think. So,

01:28:24.600 you know, you'll pardon me if I won't be mourning the loss of his show on Apple,

01:28:29.600 although I honestly didn't know he had a show on Apple. So, yeah, it was a failure. Sorry. Bye.

01:28:35.220 No one's in the market for your nasty disinformation that bashes uniformly one side,

01:28:40.120 by the way, on behalf of all real women everywhere who care about their children

01:28:44.480 and the nonsense that he was just spewing. Good riddance. Guys, love you. Dave Marcus,

01:28:51.000 Noah Pollack. Thanks to you both for being here. Thanks so much, Megan.

01:28:54.940 And thanks to all of you for joining me today. We'll talk more on Monday.

01:28:58.520 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 20, 2023

Biden Ties Israel To Ukraine, and Anti-Semitic Campus ＂Crying Bully,＂ with Dave Marcus and Noah Pollak ｜ Ep. 652

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