The Megyn Kelly Show - Bill Maher on Biden's Pandering, Woke Progressives Supporting Terrorists, and The Value of Disagreement ｜ Ep. 797

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and we've got a treat for you today.

00:00:17.580 Joining me now is someone I've been wanting to interview on this program for years.

00:00:22.460 He is one of the sharpest political commentators around, someone who's not afraid to take risks

00:00:27.560 and has been politically incorrect for decades before it was cool.

00:00:32.180 And whether you love him or hate him, you pay attention to him.

00:00:34.860 Joining me today is Bill Maher. He's author of the brand new book that's just out today,

00:00:40.100 What This Comedian Said Will Shock You.

00:00:42.740 He's also host of the long-running show, Real Time, with Bill Maher on HBO.

00:00:49.280 Bill, welcome.

00:00:50.500 I'm going to say that book title is a lot funnier when you see it, because it's supposed to mock clickbait.

00:00:55.660 Of course, I got it immediately.

00:00:57.000 I know, but I've had book titles that went right over the heads of a lot of the audience.

00:01:01.000 This is the tease we used on Fox News for about two decades, without the words comedian.

00:01:06.280 What you hear next will shuck you.

00:01:08.260 Right.

00:01:09.720 Exactly.

00:01:10.340 I thought I would bring it to the book world.

00:01:12.340 No, I used to joke that once you start talking in teases, you've been in TV too long.

00:01:17.060 Right.

00:01:17.560 But I had a book, a new rules book out about 15 years ago, and the subtitle was

00:01:21.420 Polite Musings from a Timid Observer, which I thought was hysterically funny, but every disc jockey in America did not get it.

00:01:29.400 They just took it.

00:01:30.520 I was like, okay, no, that was understatement, and it's supposed to be satire, but never mind.

00:01:34.840 Stay with me.

00:01:35.200 I'll just do a straight title next time.

00:01:37.680 So my favorite new rules ever comes from about, I want to say about 15 years ago, and it was from the book.

00:01:43.560 When did that book hit?

00:01:44.360 There was one out in 2005 and I think 2010.

00:01:49.200 Of course, those are, you know, new rules books.

00:01:51.240 I call them toilet books because you can read them on the toilet.

00:01:54.740 You know, new rules are very different than this book.

00:01:57.520 This book is from the editorials.

00:01:59.660 Now, I really redid all of them.

00:02:01.620 I mean, I worked like, I could never have done this without the strike.

00:02:04.160 The strike that we had last year gave me the time to do this.

00:02:07.340 But this is much more of a real book.

00:02:10.100 The new rules books were fun, but new rules are short.

00:02:13.200 They're punchy.

00:02:13.980 They can be about anything.

00:02:15.260 They're not always serious.

00:02:16.940 It's just, they're very random.

00:02:19.020 And, you know, again, you can pick it up on the toilet and read three or four of them.

00:02:22.840 And that's that.

00:02:23.840 This is a real book.

00:02:26.200 Not that the other words weren't real books.

00:02:28.300 What was I lured into in my previous purchases?

00:02:31.180 Jesus.

00:02:31.640 No, they were fun.

00:02:32.840 But I feel like this one I'm more proud of than any book I would do.

00:02:36.540 Yeah.

00:02:36.840 So speaking of the toilet, my favorite new rule was, new rule, stop giving tickets to blind people 1.00

00:02:42.900 for not picking up after their dogs. 1.00

00:02:44.760 You see, they would, but they can't see shit. 1.00

00:02:49.480 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:50.380 Right.

00:02:51.060 That was the new rules book.

00:02:53.360 They're funny and punchy.

00:02:54.820 But this one, I think people should treat like the Bible.

00:02:58.620 I think I should put it by their nightstand and read passages each night.

00:03:01.960 And I think it'll help you through your life.

00:03:04.100 Well, in part, it's a diagnosis of what's going on with us right now.

00:03:08.300 And in part, to me, it picks up on something you said to me shortly before I came on your

00:03:12.480 show after my own cancellation at NBC.

00:03:15.120 And you said, you seem to me, privately, you said, you seem to me kind of like me right

00:03:20.160 now, which is somebody without a political home.

00:03:24.140 And I felt that way.

00:03:25.760 And I still feel that way.

00:03:26.820 I mean, I've been a registered and impendent forever, but I know exactly what you're saying.

00:03:29.780 Just the world's lost its mind.

00:03:31.320 And I certainly would never put on somebody's team jersey anymore.

00:03:34.260 Right.

00:03:34.420 Without a team.

00:03:35.680 Yeah.

00:03:35.880 Right.

00:03:36.780 And you know what?

00:03:37.560 I like it that way because I don't want to be a part of a team.

00:03:40.660 I mean, I would say I caucus with the Democrats more.

00:03:43.500 I definitely think the right wing is much more dangerous.

00:03:47.500 They don't believe in democracy anymore. 0.98

00:03:49.680 And they threw their lot in with a sociopath named Donald Trump. 0.81

00:03:53.480 So, you know, no, he's not. 0.95

00:03:56.000 No, no.

00:03:56.340 I just like it.

00:03:57.100 I want to talk about your feelings on Trump.

00:03:58.900 Yeah.

00:03:59.220 Well, there you go.

00:04:00.620 But this is how you and I are very similar.

00:04:02.620 I feel like you're kind of a four and I'm a six on the ideological scale.

00:04:05.740 We have a lot of overlap, but you're definitely still going to vote Democrat.

00:04:09.520 And I'm definitely going to vote Republican.

00:04:11.080 But there's enough commonality to make us shake our heads.

00:04:14.440 Yes.

00:04:14.620 When the other one speaks a lot.

00:04:15.860 So you're going to vote for Trump.

00:04:17.120 I am going to vote for Trump.

00:04:18.240 Yeah.

00:04:18.460 Yeah.

00:04:18.800 I mean, I can't even understand that.

00:04:22.020 And I understand that Biden is deeply flawed, but he does believe in our way of life.

00:04:27.440 And, you know, I mean, I was the one who was saying from the very beginning when everyone

00:04:31.180 was laughing at me that Donald Trump will never give up power.

00:04:34.520 And he didn't.

00:04:35.420 He still hasn't conceded the last election.

00:04:37.200 I don't know what could possibly be more fundamental to you or anyone than you have

00:04:42.960 to concede elections.

00:04:44.340 And he hasn't conceded the last one.

00:04:46.460 He's plainly not going to concede this one.

00:04:48.660 He now has all of his sycophants around him parroting his party line, which is when they

00:04:54.680 ask them, will you abide by the election results?

00:04:58.500 Yes, if it's a free and fair election, which is another way of saying if we win.

00:05:02.680 You really think this is a place this country should be?

00:05:05.120 Mm hmm.

00:05:06.020 I'm not going to defend the election denialism.

00:05:08.300 I'm not one of those people who believes that.

00:05:09.920 But what's more important?

00:05:10.720 What kind of country do we have? 1.00

00:05:12.040 How about my daughter not going into a locker room and seeing a man's penis? 1.00

00:05:15.400 That's important, too. 0.99

00:05:16.460 And I mean, I mean, how about young men on college campuses getting due process when

00:05:19.660 they get accused falsely of rape?

00:05:21.320 Well, yeah, I think that's a false equivalency.

00:05:24.160 I think these things are. 1.00

00:05:24.940 Bullshit. 1.00

00:05:25.160 What do you mean? 1.00

00:05:25.840 I think these things are important.

00:05:27.280 And and but you can you can handle these things through the normal due process of our system.

00:05:35.000 But if we lose the system itself, come on, we didn't.

00:05:38.780 We didn't so far.

00:05:40.260 He tried it.

00:05:41.000 It failed.

00:05:42.100 Right.

00:05:42.540 And now he's had four years to put in place people who will make it work again.

00:05:46.700 I don't know if there'll be a John Rauschenberger in Georgia, a noble Republican who stood up to him.

00:05:52.760 He thought last time that he could count on someone being just a Republican to do his bidding.

00:06:00.060 And what he found out was that there are a lot of decent people who are Republicans, which is something I'm trying to tell the Democrats all the time.

00:06:06.700 You can't hate you can hate Trump.

00:06:08.760 You can't hate everybody who likes him.

00:06:10.300 And you certainly can't hate half the country.

00:06:12.320 And Republicans is not a byword for bad people.

00:06:16.640 And a lot of them stood up.

00:06:18.400 I mean, even ones who I don't like very much.

00:06:22.800 Mitt Romney, McConnell, obviously Liz Cheney, Chris Christie.

00:06:29.180 There were Mike Pence.

00:06:31.180 These are what I call as good as it gets Republicans for the people who don't like Republicans.

00:06:37.360 They full throatedly said Trump lost that election.

00:06:41.660 No two ways about it.

00:06:43.480 McConnell said it wasn't even a particularly close election.

00:06:46.520 A lot of people said it.

00:06:47.220 A lot of people said it.

00:06:47.920 But look, I agree with you that the majority of the Republican Party doesn't believe that.

00:06:51.840 But I do think there's a difference between it was stolen, you know, the nonsense with Dominion voting machines and all that versus it wasn't fair.

00:07:02.220 And what wasn't fair?

00:07:04.180 The election started.

00:07:05.700 What wasn't fair?

00:07:06.440 Well, the election suppression of the Hunter Biden left.

00:07:08.960 It's just just for one. 0.99

00:07:10.200 Oh, for fuck's sake. 0.99

00:07:11.580 Really? 1.00

00:07:12.640 Oh, then then you're then we're not as alike as you think. 1.00

00:07:16.260 That's a stupid non story. 0.99

00:07:18.700 I mean, yes. 1.00

00:07:19.380 Who?

00:07:19.500 There are polls that show some 10 to 12 percent of the electorate says they would have changed their mind had they seen it, had they known about it.

00:07:26.100 It wasn't right.

00:07:26.700 It wasn't right to suppress it. 1.00

00:07:28.640 But nobody gives a fuck about Hunter Biden's dick. 1.00

00:07:32.540 Nobody. 1.00

00:07:33.320 You're talking about yourself.

00:07:34.620 I'm telling you there are data to show people did care.

00:07:38.080 They say they would have changed their vote.

00:07:40.120 Nobody who was going to vote for Trump anyway or Biden anyway.

00:07:44.980 I mean, it wasn't about Hunter Biden's man parts.

00:07:47.660 It was about the scandal of his corruption and his dad's corruption.

00:07:52.620 Bill, I used to think that that Hunter Biden was a hot mess and Joe Biden was embarrassed by him but had to deal.

00:07:59.160 Now I really think he was doing Joe Biden's bidding.

00:08:02.140 Joe Biden is the bad guy who sent his drug addled son out there to collect money.

00:08:07.220 That's what the laptop shows.

00:08:10.280 And that's more important than what I was bringing up about not abiding by election results, not not respecting what always made this country great.

00:08:19.200 The peaceful transference of power.

00:08:21.360 See, I don't disagree with you on that.

00:08:22.460 You're not going to get me to say it was a great thing the way Trump behaved.

00:08:24.980 I don't have to get you to agree.

00:08:26.220 Disagree.

00:08:26.880 You're obviously someone who looks at an elephant and a mouse and cannot tell which one is bigger.

00:08:31.580 I disagree.

00:08:32.680 I know.

00:08:33.240 That's projection by you because I look at Joe Biden.

00:08:35.740 That's how I see you.

00:08:36.500 Well, let's talk about.

00:08:38.360 Why are you telling me this?

00:08:39.660 I mean, this is such this is just typical right wing talking points.

00:08:44.360 The evil Hunter Biden and the evil Joe Biden.

00:08:48.040 And do I do I like them?

00:08:49.700 No, I don't particularly like that.

00:08:51.060 I think they're very flawed.

00:08:52.180 Listen, listen.

00:08:52.560 It's not nearly on the scale.

00:08:54.160 You're misstating my argument.

00:08:55.780 You're misstating my argument.

00:08:56.620 That Hunter Biden just now on the laptop was brought up as evidence of how the election was not fair.

00:09:01.780 He's not a reason necessarily to not vote for Joe Biden.

00:09:05.480 The reason not to vote for Joe Biden is his policies.

00:09:08.340 You you're not woke.

00:09:09.400 He says woke, at least his policies are as they come.

00:09:12.480 The open border bill.

00:09:14.240 How could how could anybody vote for somebody who keeps this border open with the number of rapes and the number of murders and the numbers of crimes going on with these immigrants? 1.00

00:09:21.500 But again, these are the normal sorts of issues we've always had in this country that should be taken care of through the normal process we've had.

00:09:32.200 You're talking about the difference between some this.

00:09:35.440 I'm talking about the difference between this and something fundamental, which is our democracy.

00:09:39.900 The fact that you have to respect who wins an election or else you don't have the kind of country we've always had before.

00:09:48.220 How about I mean, I feel like we keep going around the Rose Bush about this and we're not going to make any progress.

00:09:54.500 So let's stop talking about it.

00:09:56.320 But, you know, I just I mean, you you keep saying sort of I'm nuts because I don't see the difference between the elephant and the mouse.

00:10:02.860 And I'm telling you, I identify them differently than you do.

00:10:05.660 Hillary Clinton, of course, is the original election denier.

00:10:08.180 I'm sure you voted for her in 16. 1.00

00:10:10.200 Well, she's not an election denier. 0.99

00:10:11.860 She absolutely was the OG election denier. 0.95

00:10:15.060 She first of all, she came out before the sun had risen to conceive the election to Trump.

00:10:21.900 And then spent the next four years saying he was illegitimate.

00:10:25.360 He was an illegitimate president.

00:10:27.020 She. 0.93

00:10:27.620 OK, well, first of all, saying she didn't say he was an illegitimate.

00:10:31.120 She did.

00:10:31.520 You tell me exactly what she said.

00:10:33.020 She said those exact words repeatedly.

00:10:34.780 OK, I mean, she conceded the election, whether whether you're interpreting her disappointment at losing it as the same thing as Trump not conceding it.

00:10:48.600 I don't know that that's where you're getting it from.

00:10:50.800 But again, it's a tremendous false equivalency.

00:10:53.580 You could ask Hillary Clinton right now who won that election. 1.00

00:10:56.600 She will tell you Donald Trump won.

00:10:58.420 And now she knows she has to because of what Trump has done.

00:11:01.740 She came out that night.

00:11:03.380 She conceded the election.

00:11:04.900 In her dark purple suit and conceded the election. 0.79

00:11:06.860 Correct.

00:11:07.240 And then spent the next four years trying to convince us it was not legitimate.

00:11:11.480 Just saying, look, it's not the same as Trump.

00:11:13.160 What Trump did was far more severe.

00:11:15.440 I'm not going to deny that.

00:11:16.700 But don't try to tell me that Hillary Clinton wasn't an election denier.

00:11:19.940 And Jamie Raskin and a whole host of Democrats who are now in prominent positions on Capitol Hill.

00:11:25.180 Doesn't make it great what Trump did, but they don't have clean hands either.

00:11:29.600 But you see, you bypass the immigration question.

00:11:31.620 I mean, like that a lot of Republicans.

00:11:33.160 I'm not bypassing it.

00:11:33.420 I think it's a disaster.

00:11:34.540 I think I think.

00:11:35.140 How would you put this guy back in there for four more years to leave the doors open?

00:11:38.620 And like it was so much better under Trump?

00:11:40.980 Yes, it was better under Trump.

00:11:42.540 Are you kidding me?

00:11:43.220 It was somewhat better.

00:11:44.580 Oh, Bill.

00:11:45.180 It was somewhat better.

00:11:46.340 Go look up the immigration rates.

00:11:47.900 Yeah, I know.

00:11:48.320 Illegal immigration rates. 0.78

00:11:49.260 I agree.

00:11:49.640 For 2020, for 19 to 20.

00:11:51.900 I'm not defending Biden on immigration.

00:11:53.860 I don't I don't understand why it's so difficult in this country to stop people coming through the border.

00:11:59.340 I don't.

00:11:59.880 And I watched that 60 Minutes piece.

00:12:02.480 They did on it a couple of months ago.

00:12:03.880 And they had films of people coming through this hole and the border patrol just watching them and basically waving.

00:12:12.420 I don't understand why.

00:12:14.280 I don't understand why this country can't accomplish something like that.

00:12:17.340 It doesn't seem like it's impossible.

00:12:19.680 But so many things in this country.

00:12:20.960 That's what's so aggravating.

00:12:22.000 We can accomplish it.

00:12:22.840 We can we can stop what's happening at the southern border.

00:12:25.280 We just won't under Joe Biden.

00:12:27.080 And he keeps pretending like he has no agency on it.

00:12:29.460 But he does have agency.

00:12:30.580 There are a lot of executive orders he could do just like Trump did.

00:12:33.540 He won't.

00:12:34.200 And you know why it's because of the people who use the word latinx who are trying to lecture him that it's not humane to enforce our borders.

00:12:42.740 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:12:43.880 The left wing, because they're so afraid always of being called racist.

00:12:50.340 They let that color every issue and very often wind up with terrible policies that wind up not helping people of color.

00:13:00.620 Don't you think that's what's happening to him on the trans issue, too, which is my big issue that I mentioned off the front?

00:13:05.000 Well, I think what Joe Biden is, is a guy who does not want to fight with the left wing of his party.

00:13:09.620 He sees that as I don't think he understands a lot of what's going on in the left wing.

00:13:14.900 I mean, I doubt if he heard the word trans before he was president.

00:13:18.260 But that's that's what he has chosen to do.

00:13:23.260 He does not want to fight with AOC.

00:13:24.960 He thinks that's where the energy in the party is.

00:13:26.920 And he's not completely wrong.

00:13:28.180 So he just kind of goes along with that kind of stuff.

00:13:32.100 Yeah, that's that's one thing that's not great about him.

00:13:34.620 But again, in this country, maybe gender is not binary, but politics is.

00:13:39.860 You only get two choices.

00:13:41.280 That's right.

00:13:41.680 You get Donald Trump, a criminal election denier who is going to transform this country into an authoritarian place like we've never seen before.

00:13:52.400 Or you get Joe Biden with all his flaws. 0.99

00:13:54.900 Also a criminal.

00:13:57.480 OK, what is his crime again?

00:13:59.580 Special Counsel Robert Hurst said he committed felonies, but he wouldn't indict him because he was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

00:14:06.080 He couldn't get a conviction in front of a jury.

00:14:09.220 And what was that crime?

00:14:10.420 That was the classified documents all over his basement, his garage, everywhere.

00:14:15.180 Well, OK, again, a false equivalency.

00:14:17.900 They both had classified documents.

00:14:19.480 Here's the difference.

00:14:21.000 Immediately, Biden, he shouldn't have had them.

00:14:23.660 Immediately, he said, oh, sorry, my bad, and gave them back.

00:14:26.940 That's why he didn't get charged with obstruction.

00:14:29.080 But Trump has two classified documents, pieces to his case.

00:14:32.520 One is you had them.

00:14:33.720 And the second is you obstructed justice when we demanded them back.

00:14:36.440 So, OK, against Biden, you don't get charged with obstruction.

00:14:39.160 But number one, where's the where's the classified documents charged against him?

00:14:42.340 He's also a felon.

00:14:45.840 You got your story.

00:14:47.320 You know, I look if you see it that way.

00:14:50.680 That's that's that's what I have to deal with.

00:14:53.020 You're asking me why I see it differently than you do.

00:14:56.080 The contest.

00:14:56.800 It's not convincing.

00:14:57.440 And I'm telling you.

00:14:58.200 It's not convincing.

00:14:59.160 It's fair enough.

00:15:00.380 I mean, they both should not have had classified documents, one by the toilet, one by his Corvette.

00:15:06.920 OK, one, one, multiple, many.

00:15:10.940 No, I'm talking about one person.

00:15:12.380 OK, one of them.

00:15:13.440 OK, I'll copy.

00:15:14.220 Right.

00:15:14.500 One Trump, one Biden.

00:15:16.200 They both did that.

00:15:17.740 The difference is Goofus and Gallant. 0.91

00:15:19.500 And Goofus said anything I touch is mine forever.

00:15:23.440 Go fish.

00:15:24.720 And the other one said, oh, yeah, my bad.

00:15:28.200 And I'll immediately return them.

00:15:29.900 That's very funny.

00:15:30.600 You're taking me back to my childhood with that reference.

00:15:32.420 But that why can't the difference be one actually had the ability to declassify documents and keep them because he'd been the president.

00:15:39.360 And one didn't because he should have been looking at documents only in a skiff while a sitting U.S. senator.

00:15:45.940 And clearly he stole classified documents that he wasn't entitled to and never had the ability to declassify them.

00:15:53.460 Yeah.

00:15:55.400 Maybe you know more about that than I do.

00:15:57.380 I don't remember that part of it.

00:15:58.620 And I always don't trust anything I hear until I vet it from the other side because everybody sort of has their one-sided view of it.

00:16:06.640 And narrative is more important than truth.

00:16:08.380 Because I know this is the right-wing narrative.

00:16:11.240 I'm not like that, Bill.

00:16:12.660 I care about facts.

00:16:14.040 I practiced law for 10 years.

00:16:15.360 I want to get the cases right more than I want to get clicks.

00:16:19.160 And I have a lot of lefties who watch me.

00:16:21.040 So I'm not like that.

00:16:22.940 All I can tell you is those are the facts.

00:16:25.240 And Joe Biden also has behaved in a grossly, grossly extra-constitutional manner.

00:16:30.620 Not only the nonsense of trying to skirt the Supreme Court on the eviction moratoriums and the student loan, quote, debt forgiveness, which he's bragging about skirting them on.

00:16:43.220 But the four indictments, which obviously the White House was behind and promoted and wanted, four indictments of a former sitting president, which we've made it almost 250 years without doing.

00:16:54.640 If that's not extra-legal and weirdly non-normy, I don't know what is.

00:16:59.620 What are the four indictments we're talking about now?

00:17:02.880 The two federal indictments against Trump and the one in New York and the one in Georgia.

00:17:06.660 Oh, you're talking about the Trump indictments.

00:17:07.860 Yeah.

00:17:08.100 I'm saying this administration 100% was behind at least those two federal ones.

00:17:13.300 And there's evidence they were behind the other two, or at least in coordination, though they deny it.

00:17:17.820 They were behind them.

00:17:19.060 It wasn't Trump committing those crimes?

00:17:21.680 Do you really think – you don't think that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton could have been indicted for what they did when he left office with all the furniture?

00:17:28.180 I don't remember –

00:17:29.700 If somebody kicked the tires of the Clinton initiative, the foundation, you don't think they could find something?

00:17:34.040 I think they did kick those tires a lot.

00:17:36.740 I'm not sure what they found, but I don't think it was much.

00:17:40.300 I don't remember Bill Clinton ever calling up –

00:17:42.380 Hillary Clinton could have been indicted post her run. 0.86

00:17:44.780 As I was saying, I don't remember Bill Clinton calling up a secretary of state and saying, I need you to fine me 11,000 votes.

00:17:52.400 You don't find that to be a bit of a smoking gun?

00:17:54.560 I don't.

00:17:55.160 Here's why.

00:17:55.680 Because I've listened to the whole phone call.

00:17:57.040 I've listened to the whole phone call.

00:17:58.260 I have, too.

00:17:58.860 And what he's saying is, I'm only behind by some 100,000, whatever the number was.

00:18:04.280 He said, so I want a recount, and I want you to start counting, and all I need is this number.

00:18:11.360 So basically, once you get to that number, you can stop counting.

00:18:14.040 Look, I don't want to have to defend Trump on his denialism about the election, because I'm more on your team on that.

00:18:21.280 But I understand why it's not a smoking gun, as you just put it.

00:18:24.260 Okay, well, you know, people see things differently.

00:18:28.900 They do.

00:18:29.560 Yeah.

00:18:29.720 So this is why you feel like a man without a party, because your team feels like you do on the Trump stuff.

00:18:36.000 They hate Trump, but they're not with you when it comes to your anti-wokeism.

00:18:42.580 So where does that leave you?

00:18:44.040 Who do you go out to dinner with?

00:18:45.700 Lots of people.

00:18:46.360 I mean, I feel like more people than ever are on Team Me, whatever that is, because, you know, they're the normies in the middle who don't want to be ideologically captured by either side.

00:18:59.580 That's who I feel like I speak for.

00:19:01.140 People who are not afraid to call out their own team, if you have a team, or a team that you are more on the side of, when they do stuff that's goofy.

00:19:12.880 And I think they appreciate it a lot.

00:19:15.120 I mean, I notice in my stand-up shows, you know, the audience is kind of half and half.

00:19:19.520 And the liberals will laugh at woke nonsense, and the conservatives will laugh at Trump jokes.

00:19:28.980 Most people in this country, I think, understand that there are deep defects on both sides.

00:19:35.820 Yeah.

00:19:36.300 And they just want the extremists, who seem to have the megaphone on either side, to go away or stop being so powerful.

00:19:44.680 You know, everybody is like, why can't we just be, you know, common sense?

00:19:48.940 And why can't we just, you know, be the people in the middle?

00:19:52.740 But at the end of the day, no one sort of stands up for that, because it's just so easier to pander to the people who are a team, because those are the people who wind up scaring the other people.

00:20:03.720 I mean, certainly on the left, that happens.

00:20:05.620 I've said it many times.

00:20:06.960 The problem with wokeness is nobody ever gets canceled for being too woke.

00:20:11.080 That's how you wind up with men can get pregnant. 1.00

00:20:14.680 Yeah. 0.76

00:20:15.580 Because you can say the most ridiculous thing, and because no one wants to be the one who's called out on Twitter, they'll be like, oh, sure, men pregnant. 1.00

00:20:25.780 I've always said that. 0.84

00:20:28.160 I saw a dude who was glowing today.

00:20:30.480 You know, it's just so ridiculous what you can get away with saying and just the intimidation factor.

00:20:39.040 And certainly on the right, that happens too.

00:20:41.580 So you don't seem like someone who's ever felt that.

00:20:44.680 Have you managed to escape ever afraid of blowback from your own side?

00:20:51.140 Well, I mean, come on.

00:20:53.820 I've been on 31 years.

00:20:55.480 It comes with the territory every week.

00:20:57.680 When people say to me on Saturday, how'd the show go last night?

00:21:00.260 I'd say, if I'm not canceled today, it went great.

00:21:03.840 You know, I mean, they're always looking to take you down.

00:21:07.300 And the knives are always out.

00:21:09.180 But, you know, I feel like at this point, after 31 years, if they wind up getting me, OK, I had a pretty I had a pretty good run.

00:21:19.280 That's right.

00:21:19.660 And also, I think there's just a lot of people who have my back and and they appreciate what I do and they appreciate me having that bond with my audience that I don't pull a punch and I never will.

00:21:31.900 And it's made me, you know, lose some audience.

00:21:35.000 That's true.

00:21:35.500 I say it in the introduction of the book.

00:21:36.900 I say I have lost some people and I don't miss them.

00:21:40.060 Those are the more woke people who think I'm somehow betrayed them.

00:21:44.580 And I didn't.

00:21:45.280 One reason I wrote this book was by going through all the old editorials over the whole span of the show.

00:21:51.800 I wanted to see, have I changed or has my politics changed?

00:21:56.920 And I really think it's not mostly me.

00:21:59.760 I mean, the left was very different.

00:22:01.760 Now, of course, the right got way worse.

00:22:03.520 Also, we won't go back into they don't believe in democracy.

00:22:06.440 We just had that discussion.

00:22:07.720 But that certainly is way worse, in my view.

00:22:11.600 But the left, yes, went off the deep end also in their own way.

00:22:15.600 And so what I always tell people who are Democrats and liberals is you don't have to lecture me about Donald Trump.

00:22:25.380 I'm the one who I think who was sounding the alarm bells before anybody.

00:22:29.100 But I also get why people vote for him.

00:22:31.440 I absolutely do.

00:22:34.180 Because the stuff that, for example, you just said penises in the swimming pool and the stuff that is threatening to people that comes from the left is so much more in their everyday life.

00:22:45.600 It's not vague.

00:22:48.820 Like to most people, oh, Trump and democracy, it's a vague thought.

00:22:54.360 And Ukraine, that's very far away.

00:22:56.680 Was it impeachable?

00:22:57.700 Who knows?

00:22:58.740 But I know about my kid coming home from school and saying, well, they're telling me I can't tell you.

00:23:06.920 Yeah.

00:23:07.800 If I change my sex.

00:23:09.260 Or saying, as we discussed on your show when I was a guest, suggesting to your perfectly normal son that he might be a girl at my all-boys school, they kept asking them over and over, raise your hand.

00:23:21.440 Where are you on the scale of girl to boy, zero through five?

00:23:24.360 I did an editorial only like three weeks ago, and I used the word entrapment.

00:23:29.720 I mean, it was about comparing what goes on in the schools with entrapment.

00:23:34.140 I don't think anybody had ever put it that way.

00:23:36.280 But entrapment in the law, I'm sure you know this better than I do, means suggesting someone into a crime.

00:23:43.120 Yep.

00:23:43.640 Something they wouldn't have thought of to do anyway.

00:23:46.100 I mean, I used the example of after 9-11, there were a number of cases where law enforcement basically entrapped people who were not really going to be terrorists.

00:23:56.560 The one case I mentioned was the Liberty Seven, seven guys in Liberty City, Miami, a poor section of Miami.

00:24:03.540 And they basically went to them and said, you know, wouldn't it be cool if you blew up the Sears Tower in Chicago and taught the man a lesson?

00:24:12.740 And these guys who didn't even have a gun, probably the only guys in the neighborhood who didn't have a gun, said, yeah, that would be pretty cool.

00:24:25.580 That's entrapment.

00:24:26.520 And I was saying, look, when you constantly talk to little kids about sex and gender and constantly put out the idea that maybe the body you're in is not the correct one aligning with what's in your mind, that's entrapment.

00:24:43.720 That to me is the same thing.

00:24:45.140 You're suggesting them into something they wouldn't have thought of anyway, because I promise you when I was a kid, it never crossed my mind.

00:24:51.220 I never thought, huh, maybe I am a girl.

00:24:54.940 I mean, I thought a lot of, you know, how could I learn how to talk to a girl?

00:24:59.360 But even at that age, we didn't want to talk to a girl. 1.00

00:25:02.360 We had not reached puberty yet.

00:25:04.220 See, this is like this is where it's just so frustrating to me because.

00:25:09.420 I looked at that Biden event where he had all the trans people out in front of the White House and it's like some trans. 1.00

00:25:18.220 It's a guy with fake breasts showing his naked breasts on camp, like on the White House lawn. 0.76

00:25:24.580 It was like National Trans Day of Visibility, which is every day in America now. 0.98

00:25:28.700 Right.

00:25:29.160 And they're on the White House.

00:25:30.760 It's like, would you have some dignity?

00:25:33.400 Could there be some dignity and decorum?

00:25:36.580 And I realize you could make the dignity argument over on the right to trust me.

00:25:41.840 I get it with Trump.

00:25:43.400 But that's why I look at Biden.

00:25:44.680 I'm like, how do we get stuck with this?

00:25:47.100 Right.

00:25:47.240 Like how why didn't the Democrats replace him?

00:25:49.600 And why did the Republicans renominate Trump?

00:25:51.660 I think it's I think I know I think they thought he was the strongest candidate, the one who could sort of be the strongest leader and take take Biden down.

00:25:59.080 But I look at Biden and I feel like the Democrats really could have made a switcheroo.

00:26:02.420 I know he didn't want to give it up, but they could have made a switcheroo.

00:26:04.760 I mean, my first show back after the strike ended, which was last September, the first editorial I did was called Ruth Bader Biden.

00:26:13.640 I was the one who I was the one who coined that phrase.

00:26:16.400 I was saying if he continues on, if he doesn't get out of the race, he's going to be Ruth Bader Biden.

00:26:22.520 He's going to be the person who's hung around too long, destroyed his legacy and probably the country with it.

00:26:29.120 But he's got to get out now because, you know, too long at the fair.

00:26:34.660 We get it.

00:26:35.500 Ruth Bader was a Ginsburg was a justice.

00:26:38.240 The liberals loved.

00:26:39.340 And I'm sure she did some great things and was a pioneer.

00:26:42.440 But her ego would not let her go away.

00:26:44.960 And I mean, the story goes, oh, Biden, oh, Biden, Obama, Obama had her to lunch once, like, I think, in 2013 and was kind of hinting around, hey, wouldn't it be great if you spent a little more time with the grandkids?

00:27:00.480 What do you think?

00:27:01.160 And she didn't take the hint and thought she'd live forever, which was really crazy because she had been through a lot of really serious medical issues.

00:27:10.660 And then, of course, it happened.

00:27:12.780 And then, of course, Mitch McConnell, who would not even give Merrick Garland a hearing, which was talk about unconstitutional, suddenly, of course, found it in his heart to push through Amy Coney Barrett immediately.

00:27:27.840 So that's what you get for trusting the other side.

00:27:31.540 So I thought he should step down.

00:27:33.500 But apparently that hasn't happened.

00:27:34.980 I would hope the Democrats, some of them, would think it's still not too late.

00:27:39.600 You could do it before the convention.

00:27:41.600 I mean, weirder things have happened in American politics.

00:27:44.660 And I don't think anyone would bat an eye that it was out of the ordinary.

00:27:50.300 So what?

00:27:50.980 We don't care.

00:27:51.700 America loves new.

00:27:54.000 I've always suggested that to candidates.

00:27:55.900 I said that about Chris Christie.

00:27:58.040 He should have ran when he was popular.

00:28:00.120 He should have.

00:28:00.600 Was it 2012?

00:28:02.380 Yeah.

00:28:03.020 And he said, it's just not my time.

00:28:04.700 But he was hugely popular.

00:28:05.580 The longer you stay around, the worse you're going to do because they have more to get you on.

00:28:12.060 Obama, they said the same thing.

00:28:13.480 He's only been a senator a couple of years.

00:28:15.240 And he went, good.

00:28:16.300 Right.

00:28:16.540 You don't know that much about me.

00:28:17.920 Great.

00:28:18.280 America likes new.

00:28:20.100 It was before Chris Christie, before Bridgegate, before Beachgate.

00:28:23.340 You know, all those pictures were just devastating to him.

00:28:25.860 And then all the Trump lapdoggery, which really kind of sunk him.

00:28:29.840 And Trump came along.

00:28:30.980 I mean, he could have been the guy.

00:28:32.460 Remember with Trump, he was like, I love him.

00:28:33.880 I hate him.

00:28:34.320 I love him. 1.00

00:28:34.700 I hate him.

00:28:35.100 And then, you know, when you're like, it's like, and Romney, too.

00:28:38.820 And that was another start of like his breakup with the Republican Party where, you know,

00:28:44.340 he was like blowing with the wind.

00:28:45.960 But yeah, no, I agree.

00:28:47.540 It's not too late.

00:28:48.500 If I were a Democrat, I'd be begging for them to sub in somebody else. 0.83

00:28:51.060 Even Kamala might be better at this point, although I doubt it.

00:28:54.120 I don't know, though.

00:28:54.980 You know, everybody talks about Michelle Obama as the big hope.

00:28:57.820 And she doesn't want to do it.

00:28:58.660 No, she doesn't want to do it.

00:29:01.020 And I don't blame her.

00:29:02.240 And they already served.

00:29:04.120 I mean.

00:29:04.380 So what do you think is going to happen?

00:29:07.680 Well, I know one thing I can guarantee will happen is that Trump will say he won, whether

00:29:14.460 he won or lost.

00:29:15.460 I agree with that.

00:29:16.660 Well, that's not a good thing for America, is it?

00:29:18.540 I think on January 20th, 2025, he'll show up at the White House, whether he's invited

00:29:23.600 or not.

00:29:25.380 And I don't think that's going to be good.

00:29:27.100 I don't think he's going to bomb in if he lost.

00:29:30.920 Yes.

00:29:32.020 Oh, yeah.

00:29:32.720 Bomb is a word I wouldn't even throw around lightly.

00:29:34.840 Oh, stop it.

00:29:35.440 He's not going to do that.

00:29:37.380 Right.

00:29:37.780 Like there was never an attack on the Capitol.

00:29:40.280 Oh, I hear you.

00:29:40.840 I hear you.

00:29:41.320 But he's not going to show up at the inauguration.

00:29:43.080 Like they didn't show up at the Capitol and break windows and knock down doors and kill

00:29:48.900 cops and chase.

00:29:50.140 They didn't do that.

00:29:51.000 They didn't break windows.

00:29:52.280 They didn't kill cops.

00:29:53.480 They, of course, did.

00:29:54.440 No, they didn't.

00:29:55.180 Who did?

00:29:55.960 They died of natural causes that day?

00:29:57.820 Yeah.

00:29:58.200 Nobody died that day.

00:29:59.420 Cops.

00:29:59.980 No, not true.

00:30:02.240 Who?

00:30:02.860 Okay.

00:30:03.320 Who?

00:30:03.720 Oh, I don't remember the names.

00:30:05.620 They didn't.

00:30:06.040 There was Brian Sicknick, who died later after the fact, and the coroner's report did not

00:30:13.000 say it was because of what he had inhaled that day.

00:30:16.100 He said it had possibly accelerated the condition that killed him.

00:30:19.480 Okay.

00:30:19.740 Well, attacked cops.

00:30:21.020 I thought they were the law enforcement people.

00:30:24.440 You know, how did we get to this place?

00:30:27.640 I mean, Trump now says he's going to pardon all those January 6th insurrectionists because

00:30:32.860 who wants to live in a country with the people who try to overthrow the government are seen

00:30:36.600 as the bad guys, huh?

00:30:37.680 They weren't insurrectionists, Bill.

00:30:40.140 They weren't? 0.97

00:30:40.700 They were a bunch of numbskulls. 1.00

00:30:42.640 They chased, oh, that's so stupid. 1.00

00:30:45.180 They chased duly elected representatives out of the building and wanted to hang the vice 1.00

00:30:50.120 president for certifying the election.

00:30:52.640 That's not an insurrection?

00:30:53.880 The people who engaged in violent acts or actually made threats along those lines are all being

00:30:58.940 prosecuted appropriately.

00:31:00.500 And I've said repeatedly, I hope they get the book thrown at them.

00:31:02.320 And they've had it.

00:31:04.040 You're so upset about the entrapment that happened of the Muslims after 9-11. 0.99

00:31:07.440 How about the entrapment that happened to some of those J6 protesters? 0.94

00:31:10.300 Wait, wait, wait.

00:31:10.840 I'm waiting.

00:31:11.340 Wait, wait.

00:31:11.680 Let's go back to what I'm upset about with the Muslims. 1.00

00:31:14.240 That we talked about after 9-11 and the feds getting involved.

00:31:17.680 Oh, yeah.

00:31:19.240 So entrapment.

00:31:20.320 They weren't Muslims. 0.99

00:31:21.480 They were just guys.

00:31:22.640 All right.

00:31:23.000 Well, my point is there are, I'm not going to, again, you're making me defend things that

00:31:28.300 I-

00:31:29.020 Then you shouldn't.

00:31:29.500 In part.

00:31:30.180 That are horrible.

00:31:30.880 Then don't defend them.

00:31:31.860 Why defend them?

00:31:32.780 Because it's more nuanced than you're suggesting.

00:31:35.060 They were not insurrectionists.

00:31:36.180 There was never any possibility that they were, I've heard you refer to it as a coup, going

00:31:41.000 to take over the government.

00:31:42.420 It wasn't going to happen.

00:31:44.000 It was a protest.

00:31:44.680 They broke into the Capitol.

00:31:47.520 They broke into the Capitol.

00:31:49.180 They opened the doors and let them walk in.

00:31:51.460 Security was waving them in one after the other.

00:31:53.540 I can show you the footage of them knocking through the gates.

00:31:56.440 I can show you the footage of many of them being welcomed in by cops, Bill.

00:32:02.260 See, that's the difference between the two of us.

00:32:03.900 Once they broke down the doors-

00:32:04.540 I will make a distinction between those who truly behave badly and those who thought they

00:32:08.520 were having a good time in Statuary Hall.

00:32:10.720 Yeah.

00:32:10.940 There were some people who just came to meander and wander around.

00:32:14.720 That's true.

00:32:15.440 They just, they just, I've seen the documentary that Alexander Pelosi did on it.

00:32:20.220 It's interesting.

00:32:20.840 Because a lot of them were just like, oh yeah, it's an interesting place to go and let's

00:32:24.420 see what happens.

00:32:25.580 There's also footage of people and there were people who absolutely intended to stop that

00:32:29.800 election.

00:32:31.060 Absolutely.

00:32:31.920 So I don't know what you would call that.

00:32:33.940 Maybe you don't like that word insurrectionist because it got too, I know, too, it's too anti-Republican,

00:32:39.220 but that's what it is.

00:32:40.540 I don't agree with you.

00:32:42.360 I don't think the legal definition of insurrection, they don't meet and that's why it wasn't actually

00:32:46.020 charged.

00:32:46.920 It's, you know, it's a leftist dream to try to make it sound even worse than it was.

00:32:51.100 These leftists who didn't care at all when their people were out on the roads, killing

00:32:55.060 cops, actually killing, hurting cops, killing others in the BLM protests, suddenly found

00:33:01.500 their conscience when it happened on J6. 0.96

00:33:03.820 Killing cops is always wrong.

00:33:05.820 Doing it in the service of trying to overthrow the government of the United States is a little 0.87

00:33:10.080 bit different.

00:33:11.580 It wouldn't happen because we were lucky it didn't happen.

00:33:15.260 They tried to make it happen.

00:33:16.860 Attempting to commit a crime is bad.

00:33:18.980 Trump tries to commit crimes all the time, like this one.

00:33:21.920 The fact that he doesn't succeed doesn't make it better.

00:33:25.860 It makes it better for the country.

00:33:27.400 Let's see what happens next time.

00:33:28.880 But, you know, we are not exactly like the detective and the serial killer.

00:33:32.620 Oh, we're a lot more alike than you think.

00:33:34.840 We're actually not that alike, I think.

00:33:36.500 I think you're right.

00:33:37.260 Yeah, I agree.

00:33:38.180 We see a very different reality.

00:33:39.860 Yeah.

00:33:40.260 Which is fine.

00:33:40.920 I mean, that's...

00:33:41.820 It is fine.

00:33:42.780 I...

00:33:43.160 We have to be able to talk and disagree and still be civil.

00:33:46.300 I think we're doing a good job.

00:33:47.900 Yeah.

00:33:48.200 We're doing as best as we can.

00:33:50.560 That's right.

00:33:50.920 Now, let's talk about universities and Hamas and Israel, because I know you've been, I

00:34:00.980 think, very strong on this issue.

00:34:02.420 Yes.

00:34:03.320 We won't have to fight anymore.

00:34:05.240 So how do you...

00:34:06.160 There's always common ground.

00:34:07.820 How do you see...

00:34:10.300 How did we get there, right?

00:34:11.880 Where we've got people in the scarves with the Hezbollah and the Hamas flags chanting

00:34:17.820 at Jews that they can't go to class?

00:34:19.400 Again, for people who say to me, you know, you make fun of the left more than you used

00:34:25.800 to.

00:34:26.640 Yes, I do.

00:34:27.840 First of all, I'm a comedian, and you're a lot funnier than you used to be.

00:34:32.180 Not intentionally, but you are.

00:34:34.500 You know, not just pregnant men and identity politics and oversensitivity and victim culture

00:34:41.300 and cancel culture.

00:34:42.260 There's lots of funny stuff.

00:34:43.560 But if I ever needed a reason or a rationale for making the case that the left has changed,

00:34:51.800 it would be this.

00:34:53.460 The fact that they're now marching for the terrorists.

00:34:57.040 Really?

00:34:57.880 Right.

00:34:58.660 The people who see themselves as the most liberal people in the world.

00:35:03.880 The social justice warriors are standing with some of the most illiberal people in the

00:35:10.840 world.

00:35:11.760 I mean, I'm going to do my next editorial I'm going to do when I get back to work at my

00:35:16.340 day job is about, look, kids, I know you're looking for a cause.

00:35:22.600 And that's admirable that kids want to have a cause.

00:35:26.020 I got one for you.

00:35:27.960 Women. 0.81

00:35:29.440 Women around the world, especially in Muslim-majority countries.

00:35:34.620 Hamas. 0.73

00:35:35.280 I mean, really, you're marching for Hamas?

00:35:37.340 Do you know that there are no equal rights for women as regards almost everything you

00:35:41.460 can imagine?

00:35:42.480 Speech.

00:35:44.500 Voting.

00:35:47.300 Free movement.

00:35:49.120 Divorce.

00:35:50.140 Property rights.

00:35:52.480 Freedom from sexual harassment.

00:35:54.620 Freedom from sexual violence.

00:35:56.160 I mean, every possible thing that is a left-wing cause, they violate.

00:36:03.220 But those are the people we want in charge.

00:36:05.880 Those are the people we want to control from the river to the sea.

00:36:10.700 Even the people, of course, under the rule of Hamas hate them. 0.94

00:36:15.240 It's a fascist dictatorship. 0.52

00:36:17.320 Yeah.

00:36:17.820 It's a fascist dictatorship. 0.88

00:36:19.060 It's worse. 0.97

00:36:19.520 It's a fascist dictatorship with a hard-right religious bent. 0.96

00:36:24.520 It's like the worst of all worlds.

00:36:27.280 And those are your heroes.

00:36:28.600 That's right.

00:36:29.060 And they're out there.

00:36:29.760 I mean, it's gone beyond.

00:36:30.700 Of course, they were praising, as you know, on TikTok, the bin Laden letter and doing the 0.86

00:36:34.540 Muslim call to prayer five times a day.

00:36:36.840 These are people who are probably in Catholic mass for most of their formative years or Christian

00:36:42.320 mass.

00:36:42.980 Now they're down on the prayer rug, having absolutely no idea.

00:36:45.660 If you move to one of those countries where that's practiced in the Middle East, they're 0.99

00:36:49.060 going to mutilate your genitals. 1.00

00:36:50.880 You'll say goodbye to sexual pleasure because that's what the people you're praying to push. 1.00

00:36:55.560 Just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I know you know.

00:36:57.740 Yeah.

00:36:58.180 I saw the funniest meme.

00:36:59.980 It was two panels in the top one.

00:37:02.760 It said, you know, queers for Palestine, because they have that banner. 0.97

00:37:07.320 No, it's ridiculous. 0.97

00:37:08.340 And on the bottom, it's a guy getting thrown out the window, Palestine for queers. 1.00

00:37:13.920 Right out the window.

00:37:15.060 Well, I pulled this clip because it turned out to be a very famous clip.

00:37:20.260 And Sam Harris is in it.

00:37:22.180 Ben Affleck is in it.

00:37:23.220 You know, the one I'm talking about.

00:37:24.480 Oh, yeah.

00:37:24.980 From 2014, I think.

00:37:26.580 Yeah.

00:37:26.840 It went totally viral.

00:37:28.120 And, you know, as usual, on a lot of these issues, we were ahead of the curve in sort of

00:37:31.780 identifying, no, there's actually a problem here that we're not acknowledging.

00:37:34.820 I'm going to play it.

00:37:35.460 Watch it.

00:37:35.740 We have been sold this meme of Islamophobia where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam

00:37:43.320 gets conflated with bigotry toward Muslims as people.

00:37:46.960 Right. 0.99

00:37:47.240 And that is intellectually ridiculous. 0.95

00:37:50.340 So, hold on. 0.95

00:37:51.620 Are you the person who understands the officially codified doctrine of Islam?

00:37:55.580 You're the interpreter of that?

00:37:56.500 Well, I'm actually well-educated on this topic.

00:37:59.680 I'm asking you.

00:38:00.500 So, you're saying if I criticize, you're saying that Islamophobia is not a real thing.

00:38:04.320 That if you're critical of something...

00:38:05.980 Well, it's not a real thing when we do it.

00:38:07.680 Right.

00:38:07.880 It really is.

00:38:09.720 I'm not denying that certain people are bigoted against Muslims as people.

00:38:13.340 Right.

00:38:13.580 And that's a problem.

00:38:14.340 Big of you.

00:38:14.820 But the...

00:38:16.400 But why are you so hostile about this?

00:38:17.900 Because it's gross. 0.94

00:38:18.960 It's racist.

00:38:19.660 It's not.

00:38:20.380 But it's so nuts. 0.92

00:38:21.420 It's like saying the stately shifty Jew. 0.96

00:38:24.100 You're not listening to what we are saying.

00:38:26.600 You guys...

00:38:26.980 Ben, we have to be able to criticize bad ideas.

00:38:29.000 Of course we do.

00:38:29.900 No, the rule doesn't want to be racist as bad. 0.99

00:38:31.340 But Islam at this moment is the mother load of bad ideas. 1.00

00:38:34.320 Jesus. 0.99

00:38:34.720 So, we have...

00:38:35.300 We have...

00:38:35.720 That was amazing television.

00:38:38.960 Saying ours is totally right. 0.99

00:38:40.920 Yeah.

00:38:41.380 And it is about ideas.

00:38:42.520 And again, this is one of the big problems with the left today is they see race in everything.

00:38:48.360 So, you know, nothing ever...

00:38:50.320 And again, as the guy who was trying to like be the common sense person in the middle, just speak for the normies, everything I think to a lot of people strikes it the way it strikes me.

00:38:59.540 As we start with one thing, this idea over here.

00:39:03.280 And then we're all the way on the other side over here.

00:39:05.820 So, in this issue, of course, you know, as we were saying over there, there are people who are bigoted and that's wrong.

00:39:13.400 And of course, it's great that we got more impatient with racism in this country.

00:39:19.080 That is the appropriate response I think we should have toward racism, being impatient with it.

00:39:24.060 And then it goes all the way to...

00:39:27.440 And no one who is a person of color can ever do anything wrong.

00:39:33.060 That's how you get, we don't talk about China.

00:39:36.280 North Korea starves its people. 0.98

00:39:39.660 China puts the Uyghurs in concentration camps. 1.00

00:39:42.400 The president of Burundi was on the front page of the New York Times a month ago saying we should march the gays into football stadiums and kill them for just being gay. 0.99

00:39:56.960 Boko Haram captures entire villages of children, but none of these crimes are coming from white people. 1.00

00:40:03.260 So, crickets.

00:40:05.180 Really, kids?

00:40:06.420 Nothing?

00:40:07.840 No marching against any of this?

00:40:11.080 You raise this point in the book, too, and I thought it was a really good one, about how when we do our, you know, look back at history, only the whites get excoriated for their bad behavior 200 years ago. 0.60

00:40:24.260 It's like, wait a minute.

00:40:25.160 Yeah, Genghis Khan was pretty rough.

00:40:28.040 You know, talking about colonizers, I think 11% of certain, was it the whole earth or maybe it's Asia?

00:40:36.160 Yeah, I think it's the earth.

00:40:37.640 Like a descendant? 0.99

00:40:38.600 A descendant from Genghis Khan because he colonized a lot of vaginas. 1.00

00:40:43.640 I mean, yeah, I mean, look, it was a different era.

00:40:46.880 I also, there's a couple of really funny editorials, essays in that book about time and the idea that the woke have this crazy idea that, you know, people who lived 500 years ago really should have known better.

00:41:00.220 You know, they have this magic moral time machine where they imagine what they would be doing in 1758 and it's always better than what you would have.

00:41:09.720 And it wouldn't have been using the term master bedroom.

00:41:11.940 No.

00:41:12.240 So, that's another thing, yes.

00:41:14.820 And again, that's another point I'm always trying to make is that the difference between old school liberals like me and the woke is things like that.

00:41:23.300 People, I think, have this idea that wokeness is an extension of liberalism.

00:41:27.360 And it very often is something that goes so far, it actually turns around and becomes the opposite.

00:41:33.180 Yes.

00:41:33.760 I agree with that.

00:41:34.660 Yeah.

00:41:36.320 The thing that you just mentioned about master bedroom or, you know, blacklist or these turns.

00:41:42.720 Rule of thumb.

00:41:44.280 JIP, you know, I mean, reservation, I guess we're not supposed to say because, you know, insulting to the Indians.

00:41:52.480 What are you supposed to say when you go to a restaurant?

00:41:54.140 There's something wrong with picnic, too.

00:41:56.200 We're not allowed to say picnic anymore.

00:41:57.780 I can't remember why.

00:41:58.680 We have a, we're supposed to eat here?

00:42:02.620 It's just, it's just, so again, wokeness seems a lot about canceling people, catching people at something, renaming stuff.

00:42:11.440 Liberalism was at least about trying to fix things.

00:42:14.240 It was about trying to lift people up.

00:42:16.040 The people who had been forgotten, genuinely, and there are many of them, and downtrodden.

00:42:21.040 These are the people we wanted to lift up.

00:42:23.560 That's different than just pointing fingers and saying, I'm more pure than you are, and I think I can prove it.

00:42:30.440 You know, you never want to get into a, who hates racism the most contest with someone on the woke left.

00:42:37.360 It's like, you know what?

00:42:38.960 I hate it, too.

00:42:40.520 Okay?

00:42:41.040 Shouldn't that be enough? 0.67

00:42:42.480 Except I also hate anti-white racism, unlike them. 0.93

00:42:45.500 That's the problem. 0.51

00:42:46.080 And things have, yeah, things have changed a lot.

00:42:48.280 They also were, there's an essay in there about progressophobia, which was Steven Pinker's great term that he coined, that it is a real problem on the left.

00:42:56.480 They do not want to acknowledge progress, which is crazy, because it is the product they're selling.

00:43:02.680 Yeah.

00:43:02.900 Because somehow in their mind, if you acknowledge progress, then you're not as pure as the other person who says, no, things are still horrible.

00:43:10.900 Well, lots of things are still horrible, and things just objectively are way better.

00:43:15.940 Can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:43:18.380 Did you?

00:43:18.720 That's what I'm always saying.

00:43:19.520 Just live in the year we're living in.

00:43:21.200 Did you see that Biden speech at Morehouse College?

00:43:24.680 No.

00:43:25.360 It's a black college, and they gave him an honorary degree.

00:43:31.460 It's where MLK went.

00:43:32.520 This is when?

00:43:33.280 Just this past weekend.

00:43:34.320 Oh, okay.

00:43:34.440 So they gave him an honorary degree, and he did, you know, gave a speech.

00:43:38.000 And first of all, the fact that they're giving an honorary degree to Joe Biden, who's like, I mean, the list of racist comments that guy has made is as long as Santa's scroll, but okay, fine.

00:43:46.060 So they got him to speak there.

00:43:47.300 They made him feel good about himself. 0.91

00:43:48.720 But it was the most pandering, absurd picture of blacks in America, and the present day, and America's relation to our black population. 0.99

00:44:01.380 It was absolutely disgusting. 0.97

00:44:02.380 It was like he was trying to stir up racial hatred right there live to the point where a couple of the black students turned their backs on him, which was pretty extraordinary. 1.00

00:44:13.000 And he does it all the time.

00:44:14.660 This is not unusual.

00:44:15.860 Democrats should be asking themselves, why does Trump each election do better, not worse, with minorities and immigrants?

00:44:25.860 Not worse, better.

00:44:27.640 Did better in 2020 than 2016, and seems to be doing better this time.

00:44:32.160 That's a question Democrats really need to look in the mirror and ask themselves.

00:44:36.480 And with the immigrants, I think I know the answer. 1.00

00:44:39.240 I'll save them the trouble.

00:44:42.180 Immigrants don't like it that the left seems to have this unrelenting negativity toward the country that these immigrants worked so hard to get here.

00:44:52.040 They really worked hard to get here. 0.99

00:44:54.940 And when Trump says shithole, the shithole, I think a lot of them are going, yeah, you're fucking right. 0.99

00:45:02.200 It's a shithole where I came from. 0.99

00:45:03.840 Why do you think I got on the ocean on a raft or walked a thousand miles because I was living in paradise? 1.00

00:45:11.040 There are places that are shitty in this world, and the immigrants know it. 1.00

00:45:16.700 And, you know, it's not corny or conservative to say that you should acknowledge that you are lucky if you're living in this country at this moment in history.

00:45:28.740 Yeah.

00:45:29.220 Well, it was a different message at Morehouse.

00:45:31.020 Here it is.

00:45:31.520 Watch.

00:45:31.700 You start a college just as George Floyd was murdered, and there was a reckoning on race.

00:45:42.940 It's natural to wonder if democracy you hear about actually works for you.

00:45:49.380 What is democracy?

00:45:51.920 If black men are being killed in the street, what is democracy? 0.99

00:45:56.060 You have to be ten times better than anyone else to get a fair shot. 0.96

00:45:59.100 Most of all, what does it mean, as we've heard before, to be a black man who loves his country, even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure?

00:46:13.720 Well, that's my commitment to you, to show you democracy, democracy, democracy is still the way.

00:46:21.240 If black men are being killed in the street, we bear witness. 0.98

00:46:25.960 For me, that means to call out the poison of white supremacy. 0.99

00:46:30.740 Threw it out, systemic racism.

00:46:33.360 I stood up for George with George Floyd's family to help create a country.

00:46:38.880 We don't need to have that talk with your son or grandson as they get pulled over.

00:46:45.460 Oh, joy.

00:46:46.760 That's his vision of life as a black man in America.

00:46:49.460 Yeah, it's anachronistic.

00:46:51.560 See the one guy popping out from the back.

00:46:52.940 It was almost like he was like, what did you just say?

00:46:55.020 And it's not that there isn't still racism in this country, of course.

00:46:58.920 And racist, just as there will always be criminals, there will always be racist.

00:47:03.300 And we should always be mindful of that and do what we can to call it out.

00:47:07.700 But it's a very different country than it was even 10 years ago.

00:47:11.860 And to be telling black students that you have to be 10 times better to get ahead, that's anachronistic.

00:47:23.180 That's not the case.

00:47:24.140 I mean, there are cases also.

00:47:28.040 I mean, there's certainly they've done studies on this where the same person goes in for a job who's black and white and the white person does get it more often.

00:47:36.380 They prove that.

00:47:38.160 So that still exists.

00:47:39.820 It's also true that there are places in this country where it's an advantage to be a person of color at this time or gay or anything other than white and male and straight.

00:47:51.340 I mean, I'm over 60, white, male, and straight.

00:47:55.540 I better be good at my job.

00:47:56.780 Yeah, that's right.

00:47:58.060 Because they're always true.

00:47:58.940 But you had a good run.

00:47:59.780 This is not somebody that they're trying to hire.

00:48:02.160 It's ridiculous to say that you love the country more than the country loves you back.

00:48:06.660 That's just not true.

00:48:07.840 What kind of a dark message is that?

00:48:09.060 That certainly has been true.

00:48:10.760 Right, but we're not living in the 1940s anymore.

00:48:13.660 Exactly.

00:48:14.280 I'm saying, can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:48:17.500 Because that doesn't really reflect it.

00:48:19.080 And when they do studies of young, under 30, polling, black versus white, the black folks are more optimistic.

00:48:29.860 Yeah.

00:48:30.380 It's the white liberals who—

00:48:32.120 Don't you think this is the wrong message?

00:48:33.660 Oh, yes, factually wrong.

00:48:34.860 It is.

00:48:35.200 But politically, how do you sell yourself to a group of young black college graduates?

00:48:39.280 Is it by appealing to grievance, making them feel disempowered and like the country hates them?

00:48:44.040 Or is it something that would be empowering and uplifting and something great about them and America?

00:48:48.480 It's also not—I mean, they know better than anybody the country they're actually living in.

00:48:52.540 I mean, to pretend that, as I think he was saying there, the talk, you know, which refers to being pulled over in cops.

00:49:04.300 I mean, are there racist cops?

00:49:05.540 Of course. 0.82

00:49:05.940 There will always be racist somebodies somewhere.

00:49:08.560 I mean, if you do polling, I think they've done it.

00:49:13.740 People are not accurate in their assessment of how many people get killed by the cops or shot by the cops.

00:49:20.240 I think about a thousand people—no, it's either shot or killed.

00:49:25.300 I think it's just shot.

00:49:26.620 I think about a thousand people get shot by the cops a year in this country.

00:49:29.920 Now, in a country of 340 million people, a lot of whom are nuts and a lot of whom have guns, is that a lot?

00:49:39.140 I don't know.

00:49:40.040 It was—when that whole thing went down in 2019, I think it was.

00:49:42.640 It was 19 or 18, but I think it was 19, right before George Floyd.

00:49:45.860 I think it was 10 million arrests, and of all of those in the country, between 12 and 15 involved the shooting of unarmed black men.

00:49:58.980 Not 12 and 1,500, 12 to 15, depending on how you interpret unarmed.

00:50:04.520 Some of the people who got shot by the cops had, like, commandeered a car and tried to run down the police, and they'd be counted as unarmed.

00:50:11.900 But that's out of 10 million arrests, 12 to 15, in the year preceding George Floyd.

00:50:17.380 But the way he's talking, right?

00:50:19.540 And by the way, the talk—didn't your parents have the talk with you?

00:50:21.960 Doesn't everyone, especially a young man, is told, comply?

00:50:25.940 Come on. 0.98

00:50:26.280 It's different if you're black. 0.99

00:50:27.380 And it has been historically very different if you're black.

00:50:29.900 You can't really—you're really not contending that that's an equivalent.

00:50:34.640 When we were kids, the talk—

00:50:36.080 I think it's absurd to say that not everybody has the talk.

00:50:38.340 We're all afraid when we get pulled over by cops.

00:50:40.500 I'm not worried that I'm going to get shot in the way that I know some black men worry about.

00:50:45.140 But it's absurd to suggest that anybody who resisted arrest, especially a man with a cop who knows the stakes are high when he pulls them over, isn't going to be in danger.

00:50:53.860 Okay.

00:50:54.100 But, I mean, if I got the talk—how old were you when you got the talk?

00:50:58.300 I was 14 in 1970.

00:51:01.020 It's preposterous to contend that in 1970, a white kid needed the talk as much as a black kid in this country.

00:51:08.040 I think that's fair. 0.99

00:51:08.720 That's ridiculous. 0.95

00:51:09.160 Okay. 0.96

00:51:09.700 Great.

00:51:10.800 But also, here's something that he would never say at a place like this or anywhere. 0.95

00:51:16.760 But there is a very big problem with young black men being shot and killed, but not by the cops. 0.88

00:51:23.920 Right.

00:51:24.120 But they are—the number of young black men compared to young white men who were killed, it's something like 20 times.

00:51:33.120 Not allowed to talk about it.

00:51:34.100 But again, they're not being killed by white supremacists. 0.98

00:51:37.120 They're being killed by each other. 0.96

00:51:39.780 And we've completely written it off as a society.

00:51:42.200 Well, to me, that's the most racist thing of all is that—and I've always said, where are the leaders of the community to talk about this?

00:51:50.880 I mean, I feel like there are so many people in the black community who are looked up to for good reason.

00:51:57.440 They're exemplars.

00:51:58.320 And, I mean, a lot of the most famous celebrities and most admired are African-American.

00:52:05.060 I mean, if they made a concerted effort to try to implore the end of this kind of behavior, would it have no effect at all?

00:52:16.420 Because a lot of these shootings—I mean, some of it is the drug war.

00:52:20.060 If we would—my thing about racism is always, can we just be practical?

00:52:23.320 I mean, John McWhorter writes about it better than anybody.

00:52:25.500 You know, schools, families, and the drug war.

00:52:32.240 I mean, that's it.

00:52:33.220 So much of this is performative that we see on the left.

00:52:36.480 That's the stuff that I don't—

00:52:37.680 And Glenn—

00:52:37.700 McWhorter, Glenn Lowry.

00:52:39.520 Yes.

00:52:39.900 Of course, Thomas Sowell, none of whom has a statue of them.

00:52:44.180 They're not heralded.

00:52:45.360 They're not held up as examples.

00:52:46.720 And they're not invited on MSNBC.

00:52:48.940 Never.

00:52:49.880 And they should be because—

00:52:51.660 They're kicked off.

00:52:52.540 Or Coleman Hughes.

00:52:53.700 Coleman Hughes, another one, yes.

00:52:55.500 Exactly.

00:52:56.420 And again, if you just ended the drug war, some of the shooting is that.

00:53:00.140 And some of it is just about really just nonsensical, you know, feuds and beefs.

00:53:06.380 And you insulted me on social media.

00:53:09.760 And then, obviously, there's too many guns floating around.

00:53:13.380 But it just seems like so tragic and unnecessary that this amount of killing is going on and that we just seem to, again, ignore it and not talk about it and pretend it's all the cops.

00:53:25.940 We're going to pretend we're doing something because we're over here saying, you know, this is the way we want you to refer—capitalize the word B.

00:53:31.780 Now I feel better, right, in black. 0.96

00:53:33.500 I find that racist.

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00:54:39.280 I want to ask you a couple things.

00:54:41.440 First of all, I want to ask you about Stormy Daniels.

00:54:43.180 You had her on your show.

00:54:44.620 Yes.

00:54:45.020 A few years ago when she was first out with her story.

00:54:49.480 And then to your credit, you pointed out on your show that her testimony in this trial changed dramatically from then to now.

00:54:59.020 Do you think she's trying to paint herself as a fake Me Too victim now?

00:55:03.360 That's what it looked like.

00:55:04.320 I don't know if I would use the word dramatically, but it did shift.

00:55:06.980 I mean, she definitely, she said in the trial, she said it again, kind of the same thing that she said on the show.

00:55:12.860 But she also talked about the incident in ways that she certainly hadn't back when I was interviewing her.

00:55:20.300 That we used all the buzzwords of the Me Too movement of the power imbalance.

00:55:24.540 And I was afraid to leave and he blocked the door and I was afraid.

00:55:28.300 And then the thing that was so preposterous, I thought it was, you know, I blacked out.

00:55:32.620 She lost feeling in her fingers and toes, Bill. 0.86

00:55:35.920 Well, I mean, as I said at the time, you know, this is someone who's not unused to having sex with strange people. 0.98

00:55:43.060 Not strange that they're people, just that they're strangers to you because she's a porn star. 0.92

00:55:47.300 So when you're a porn star, it's like, hi, meet Bob. 1.00

00:55:50.140 He's going to fuck you in two minutes. 1.00

00:55:51.540 Okay, great. 1.00

00:55:52.720 Are we ready for wood?

00:55:54.180 Come on, people.

00:55:55.120 We're losing the light.

00:55:56.780 That, you know, so the idea that she would black out because this was such a traumatic experience was, to me, straining credulity.

00:56:04.800 But, you know, I didn't think they should have gone ahead with this trial to begin with.

00:56:08.460 I mean, first of all, it should have been an election interference trial brought by Merrick Garland. 0.97

00:56:12.900 I tore him a new asshole a couple of weeks ago because all these trials are probably not going to come to anything. 0.98

00:56:18.520 And they had four years to do it. 0.99

00:56:20.100 But it wound up being a trial about falsifying business records in state court.

00:56:26.280 And, you know, I don't know.

00:56:27.880 Do you think he's going to win it?

00:56:29.740 I don't think Trump is going to win it.

00:56:31.460 Really?

00:56:31.900 Yeah, because I think it was lost on jury selection.

00:56:34.260 It's New York.

00:56:34.840 It went 87 percent for Joe Biden.

00:56:36.400 Do you think 12 jurors are going to?

00:56:38.700 I mean, because.

00:56:39.920 If I had to put my.

00:56:41.600 12.

00:56:41.960 All 12 jurors.

00:56:43.220 Here's my thought.

00:56:44.680 They should not vote to convict because he definitely he's put on a great case.

00:56:48.480 The defense has put on a great case.

00:56:50.100 Just they really haven't put on much of a case at all.

00:56:52.020 But they've done enough to poke holes in Michael Cohen's testimony to win this case.

00:56:57.460 But I think they lost it on jury selection in the same way O.J. was lost on jury selection.

00:57:00.780 Let me ask you this, counselor.

00:57:02.780 Michael Cohen did serve prison time for doing this.

00:57:06.120 No, not for doing this.

00:57:07.080 That's the problem.

00:57:07.580 He served prison time for lying about taxes and his taxi medallion scheme.

00:57:12.640 And then at the last minute, they added on this this election interference or campaign finance violation.

00:57:19.760 And he said, sure, I did.

00:57:21.020 I did that, too.

00:57:21.760 And but he that was never the bulk of the charges that was about to send him into prison with the raids on his house and all that.

00:57:28.120 That was an add on at the end.

00:57:30.980 That was not my interpretation of it.

00:57:32.920 I thought he went to jail because he was the fixer in this case.

00:57:37.400 They're trying to lead you to believe that bill.

00:57:39.020 But you trust Andy McCarthy of National Review, for example, a very straight shooter.

00:57:42.900 He hates Trump like you do.

00:57:44.880 He's been pointing this out.

00:57:46.020 So many other legal.

00:57:47.400 Anyway, I'll relook at it.

00:57:48.980 But in your defense, that's sort of how they're setting it up in this trial.

00:57:51.600 And that is what the jury has heard, too, what you just said.

00:57:54.600 So that's one of the reasons why I believe they probably will conclude he did it.

00:57:57.900 They're going to say, Cohen, he pleaded guilty to it.

00:58:00.640 Weisselberg, he's in jail.

00:58:02.060 Why is he in jail?

00:58:03.400 And they've been led like with a with a trail of breadcrumbs, I think, to probably the wrong conclusion.

00:58:09.240 But I do think it'll be reversed.

00:58:10.200 And how will it affect the election, if at all?

00:58:12.540 I don't think it will.

00:58:12.740 I don't think it will either.

00:58:13.960 Don't you think it's all been baked in at this point?

00:58:15.400 I do.

00:58:15.760 Absolutely.

00:58:16.660 I mean, look, to most people, it's just a sex case.

00:58:19.560 I did an editorial about this.

00:58:21.120 It's in the book also about I saw this movie when it was called Kill Bill, when they did it with Bill Clinton.

00:58:27.460 And people just do not like it when they go after presidents for their sex lives. 0.99

00:58:31.360 And the idea that Trump would be fucking a porn star at a golf charity event while his wife was home nursing their newborn is something we just assumed he would be doing. 0.99

00:58:44.940 Because, you know, again, you're the party of family values. 1.00

00:58:48.580 So it's it is, as you say, baked into the cake.

00:58:52.340 The only thing surprising was that it was-

00:58:54.180 For the record, Trump denies it.

00:58:57.160 But you don't really believe it. 1.00

00:58:59.880 You can't tell me that you think he didn't fuck Stormy Daniels. 0.99

00:59:04.100 Let me tell you what I think. 0.99

00:59:05.140 Because that's going to really-

00:59:06.160 Leading up to the trial, I said many times he did it.

00:59:08.600 Let's face it.

00:59:09.220 He denies it, for the record, for the legal purposes.

00:59:12.100 He denies it.

00:59:13.240 But when I heard her do her, you know, dramatic reenactment of it all, now it's me too.

00:59:18.820 No feeling in the fingers.

00:59:20.660 I blacked out.

00:59:21.840 I felt threatened because he was sitting on the bed when I came out of the bathroom and I couldn't get to the door.

00:59:27.560 He was sitting on the bed.

00:59:28.460 That's called leaving the hotel room.

00:59:29.780 We've all done that.

00:59:30.520 Like, you just walk around the bed and you walk out the door.

00:59:32.600 I started to doubt her story.

00:59:34.460 I started to wonder whether this whole thing was some sort of a shakedown. 0.68

00:59:38.120 If I had to put money on it, I'd say they had sex.

00:59:40.200 But I don't believe anything past that. 0.99

00:59:43.020 Well, that's silly.

00:59:44.140 I mean, there's no good people- 0.98

00:59:46.000 You're so pejorative.

00:59:46.540 What do you mean? 0.98

00:59:47.260 It's just silly. 0.91

00:59:48.000 I've been watching this trial very carefully and I've been dismissive of your lack of knowledge. 0.52

00:59:52.680 This is my opinion based on what I saw in 10 years of cross-examining people. 0.99

00:59:56.700 She's a liar. 1.00

00:59:58.100 That doesn't mean he didn't fuck her. 1.00

01:00:00.060 Okay, yes, both things are true. 0.99

01:00:01.540 I mean, it's like saying, you know, O.J. Simpson, were the police corrupt or did he kill his wife?

01:00:07.280 Both. 0.93

01:00:08.380 Both.

01:00:08.880 Yep. 0.98

01:00:09.200 I used to say, you know, the cops are so inept they could not frame a guilty man. 0.99

01:00:14.260 The cops did a bad job and he killed his wife. 0.96

01:00:17.020 All right, so what do you-

01:00:17.920 And Stormy Daniels is a horrible witness and so was Michael Cohen. 0.99

01:00:21.560 There's no good people in this trial and he fucked her at that golf tournament. 1.00

01:00:24.820 That's just who he was. 0.99

01:00:26.220 I mean, come on.

01:00:27.400 Last but not least, Cohen and you have had some past interactions, right?

01:00:31.740 Did he threaten you?

01:00:33.340 Oh, no.

01:00:33.440 I think when you and Trump had your-

01:00:34.700 No, no, no, no.

01:00:35.160 He, what he, when, when I, when Trump sued me for calling, this is just-

01:00:42.080 This is back on the birthergate controversy.

01:00:43.620 Maureen Dowd wrote about it yesterday in the Times.

01:00:47.180 In 2013, Trump sued me because, what was it?

01:00:53.160 Because he offered five million for Obama's birth certificate.

01:00:56.120 No, no.

01:00:56.400 And then you offered five million to see proof that he wasn't the child of an orangutan.

01:01:01.160 Yes.

01:01:01.520 But actually, what he offered, that was one detail I think they got wrong.

01:01:06.300 The five million dollars he had offered was for Obama to produce his college records.

01:01:12.120 Because, you know, a black guy in college, that's kind of fishy, huh? 1.00

01:01:15.780 Oh, boy. 0.79

01:01:16.820 So, yes, Donald Trump offered five million dollars.

01:01:20.960 So, I thought I would offer him five million dollars if he could prove.

01:01:24.380 When we showed the picture, he does look exactly like that orangutan.

01:01:27.580 The color of the hair was exactly the same.

01:01:30.460 If you saw the picture, you know what I'm talking about.

01:01:32.720 And so, I offered him five million dollars.

01:01:35.200 And then they came to court and produced the birth certificate to prove that he was actually not the son of an orangutan.

01:01:43.160 Not that that's even possible.

01:01:44.840 I mean, we are of different species. 0.62

01:01:46.740 The definition of a species is you can't have sex with the feminine. 1.00

01:01:50.000 Well, sex. 0.99

01:01:51.500 No, no.

01:01:51.900 I mean, that's why-

01:01:52.260 You can't reproduce.

01:01:52.880 You can't reproduce.

01:01:54.080 You can't reproduce.

01:01:54.440 But they don't-

01:01:55.080 They're not interested in it. 0.99

01:01:55.960 I mean, jaguars and tigers, they look kind of alike, but they don't fuck each other. 1.00

01:02:00.200 But he did fuck Stormy Daniels. 1.00

01:02:01.780 Oh, God. 1.00

01:02:03.500 All right, Bill Maher, I got to let you go.

01:02:05.240 Thank you.

01:02:05.620 Any last thoughts on what the solutions are to that?

01:02:07.800 How do we come back together?

01:02:09.220 Are we going to-

01:02:10.000 We're going to land the plane?

01:02:11.000 The country stays together? 0.99

01:02:12.140 We find a way past the harsh partisan bullshit? 0.99

01:02:14.720 I mean, I don't know. 0.97

01:02:17.000 I mean, like I say, I think the rubber hits the road next January because if he wins, he wins.

01:02:23.440 He's never going to give up power.

01:02:24.900 You can't really believe that.

01:02:26.180 I definitely believe he will give up power.

01:02:27.880 But he didn't last time.

01:02:29.720 You think he's going to-

01:02:30.820 You think in 2028, he's going to say, well, two terms, that's what the Constitution says.

01:02:37.160 I'm gone.

01:02:38.240 Of course not.

01:02:39.360 He's going to stay on as long as he can.

01:02:41.580 He'll make up some excuse.

01:02:42.660 He doesn't care.

01:02:43.560 He's never read the Constitution.

01:02:44.880 He doesn't care what's in it.

01:02:46.040 It's only about power and who wins.

01:02:48.600 And he will never leave.

01:02:49.680 He's already said many times, I think we deserve a third term because, you know, we were cheated

01:02:54.380 out of the one that he's not serving right now.

01:02:56.780 So he will never give up power.

01:02:58.520 So there's the end of America as we know it.

01:03:01.080 And if Biden wins, again, he will, I mean, this country will fall apart because his rabble

01:03:06.720 won't accept it and he won't accept it.

01:03:08.720 I mean, there's no solution except cholesterol.

01:03:12.500 And watching real time.

01:03:13.800 Right.

01:03:14.140 And buying this book.

01:03:15.480 It's called-

01:03:16.260 It's actually very, it's the funniest book ever, I think.

01:03:19.700 And lots of people have said the same thing.

01:03:21.740 So I know it sounds like, you know, because we're tussling that it's all serious, but it's

01:03:26.720 actually very funny.

01:03:27.580 It is very funny.

01:03:28.340 And I hope people enjoy it.

01:03:30.260 And look, I appreciate you going toe to toe because I think that's what people have to

01:03:36.440 do.

01:03:36.820 And it sometimes does get to a point where you get exasperated with each other.

01:03:41.460 But, you know, as I say at the end, America is a family.

01:03:44.980 And the definition of a family is understanding that, you know, you're with people who you may

01:03:50.380 not like, but it doesn't come to violence.

01:03:52.540 Yeah.

01:03:52.980 Well, I have to say, Bill, you've always been very gracious to me.

01:03:55.740 You've had me on your show a couple of times.

01:03:57.200 I'm a fan.

01:03:57.840 I mean, you're super smart.

01:04:00.660 You know, what we all have to get over is talking with someone who you can be like,

01:04:07.300 oh, I'm so in agreement on this and this and this and this. 0.87

01:04:12.620 And on this one, I think they're insane. 0.56

01:04:14.720 Yeah.

01:04:15.160 But we got four out of five.

01:04:16.520 Yes, honestly, it's like, why there shouldn't be a limits test.

01:04:20.780 Like, I love him, except he hates Trump. 0.97

01:04:22.960 So I have to hit him. 0.78

01:04:23.720 It's like, so you disagree with him on that. 0.96

01:04:25.460 OK, that's fine.

01:04:26.460 That's that's how the world goes forward.

01:04:29.100 But I would hope when Trump doesn't relinquish power and this country play this clip and when

01:04:34.680 this country does not resemble the one that we've grown up in, I would hope that you

01:04:39.000 would be able to acknowledge that.

01:04:41.420 And if he and if he does relinquish power or doesn't try to.

01:04:47.100 Then I'm going to play this clip, too.

01:04:48.260 Then then I will absolutely on my show say I was wrong and she was right. 0.98

01:04:52.820 Either way, I'll have you back.

01:04:54.340 You can take a victory lap or you have me back.

01:04:56.120 And I'll take a victory lap.

01:04:57.300 Either way, we'll make it happen.

01:04:58.300 Thank you.

01:04:58.720 Good luck with the book and everything.

01:04:59.800 I appreciate it.

01:05:00.480 All the best, Bill.

01:05:01.040 Don't forget, it's called What This Comedian Said.

01:05:03.020 Good Father's Day, President.

01:05:04.320 Shuck you. 1.00

01:05:04.820 Yes. 0.55

01:05:05.240 You have plenty of time.

01:05:06.020 Father's Day coming up.

01:05:07.340 Available now.

01:05:08.120 See you tomorrow.

01:05:11.880 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:05:14.100 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 21, 2024

Bill Maher on Biden's Pandering, Woke Progressives Supporting Terrorists, and The Value of Disagreement ｜ Ep. 797

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