The Megyn Kelly Show - Bizarre Pro-O.J. Simpson Spin, Media Stupidity or Lies, and Woke Eating Their Own, with Adam Carolla

00:00:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.080 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.380 We have a great, great show lined up for you today. There's so many things I want to get into.

00:00:20.560 And we have one of our very favorite guests, so good combo.

00:00:23.400 The reaction continues following the death of football star and murderer O.J. Simpson.

00:00:29.120 And some of the media have spun some absurd analyses of his legacy.

00:00:36.020 Speaking of media, MSNBC continues to go all in on the threat of Donald Trump and how his movement hates everything about our country.

00:00:44.300 That's how they understand MAGA, a group of people that hates everything about America.

00:00:49.660 And the law school dean at UC Berkeley hosted a dinner for students at his home, only to be interrupted by a pro-Palestinian protester who was there at his invitation.

00:01:04.700 And in a surprise to no one, she is now playing the victim.

00:01:09.440 We will play you her out-and-out lies about the encounter and show you the actual videotape of the encounter so you can see it for yourself.

00:01:18.940 This is the playbook.

00:01:20.800 Go, do something obnoxious.

00:01:22.700 When you get called out on it or held to account for your behavior, play the victim.

00:01:27.520 And if possible, sue and go public with your scurrilous allegations against the person you have targeted.

00:01:34.160 Here to discuss it all and more, my co-star in the soon-to-be-launched series, Mr. Burcham, Adam Carolla, host of the Adam Carolla Show podcast.

00:01:47.540 Adam, hi.

00:01:48.640 Hi, thanks for having me back on.

00:01:50.880 You're like my TV spouse.

00:01:52.620 I know, if only life imitated art.

00:01:57.980 You're so sweet.

00:01:59.060 Okay, so more on Burcham later, but we've got to start with O.J.

00:02:04.220 You're a California guy in all your travels out there.

00:02:08.480 Did you ever meet him?

00:02:09.380 Did you ever have any encounters with him?

00:02:12.460 No, I grew up a fan of his.

00:02:15.360 I was a big football fan when I was a young man.

00:02:19.220 And, you know, he was the first kind of superstar.

00:02:21.760 And he was the first guy that was black and palatable to mainstream America, you know, like Jim Brown was a great running back in the NFL as well.

00:02:33.560 But he was too sort of headstrong and outspoken and wasn't considered good for mainstream America.

00:02:41.580 But O.J. was the first, and he was beloved by all.

00:02:48.720 I mean, you know, the notion that, you know, he was set up by the cops and it was a racist thing and everything else is insane because he was, at the height of his powers, probably one of the most beloved Americans on the planet.

00:03:05.220 That's right.

00:03:06.120 We were talking about this yesterday, about how everyone fell in love with him.

00:03:09.140 And much of the consternation of many in the black community, he disowned his blackness.

00:03:14.680 He said, I'm not black.

00:03:17.320 I'm O.J.

00:03:18.640 And he was making it in, you know, what many considered to be a white man's world, trying to be a guy who just got judged on the basis of his character and not to lean into any social justice issues or whatever we were calling him back then.

00:03:34.320 And he was making it.

00:03:35.680 He was multimillionaire.

00:03:37.240 He was beloved.

00:03:37.840 He was probably one of the most popular people on earth.

00:03:40.120 I was just saying to my friend, who's 32, you have to understand, this would have been like Tom Brady getting arrested for double murder.

00:03:49.040 Like, he was that beloved, successful, friendly, you know, outwardly seeming like jovial and jolly.

00:03:59.400 And then suddenly you get the news that he's allegedly murdered his ex-wife and a friend.

00:04:04.480 And, you know, the coverage of this, Adam, has been so ridiculous.

00:04:09.400 Like, it wasn't.

00:04:10.720 Yes, it was 30 years ago.

00:04:12.200 It wasn't that long ago.

00:04:13.900 The people writing the AP news headlines could do with a simple Google search enough to figure out he was a double murderer.

00:04:21.820 And avoid headlines like, and I'll just give you a couple.

00:04:25.440 Here's the AP.

00:04:26.900 Actually, I'll start with NPR.

00:04:28.600 Breaking news.

00:04:29.960 The football great Orenthal James Simpson, known as OJ, has died.

00:04:35.900 What?

00:04:36.380 Well, you know, the thing about the AP, and we'll get into the stories of the young black man who was shot by the police, and we can break down that game film.

00:04:48.240 But what you need to understand with all the major news outlets as it pertains to race is they have two jobs.

00:04:57.800 They have build up black.

00:05:01.640 If it's a cop shooting, then make a big deal out of it.

00:05:04.820 If it's a bad cop shooting against a white or it doesn't fit the narrative, then they tamp it down.

00:05:10.980 And so they do it with all stories and all stories of race.

00:05:16.380 So I was looking at it the other day, which was a few months ago.

00:05:21.840 I can't remember if it was Bobby or or another hockey legend died, but they started it with controversial racist comments.

00:05:34.060 And then got to the part where he was in the Hockey Hall of Fame way down the road.

00:05:39.520 And so if you look at some of the white great athletes or luminaries who have died and you read these AP or USA, whatever, it starts off with some sort of controversial racist thing.

00:05:53.500 Because obviously these guys had their heyday in the 50s and the 60s, and they said something stupid when they were drunk.

00:06:00.960 And that's what they started with.

00:06:03.100 So with O.J., you slide murder down below the fold.

00:06:08.640 And if it's Bobby or you slide racist up to the lead.

00:06:13.760 That's so true.

00:06:15.120 Like Roseanne is in our special, our comedy show, your comedy show that I'm co-starring with you in, Mr. Burcham.

00:06:23.220 You think they'd give her the same treatment?

00:06:24.740 They're going to put in the first line many, many years from now when Roseanne passes, the comments that she made that ended her show, the reboot of her show.

00:06:33.180 She won't get any lovely NPR headline, or I'll give you the AP one.

00:06:38.320 Legendary athlete.

00:06:39.520 I mean, come on.

00:06:40.620 Legendary athlete, actor, and millionaire, colon.

00:06:44.960 O.J. Simpson's murder trial lost him the American dream.

00:06:50.820 You see, it was the trial, Adam, that did him, and the unjust trial of him, not the fact that he almost cut his ex-wife's head off.

00:07:02.000 Yeah.

00:07:02.920 Well, they do this with everything.

00:07:05.440 Like they'll go, you know, COVID cost California small businesses $10 billion.

00:07:11.040 It wasn't COVID that cost it.

00:07:13.300 It was unnecessary shutdowns and closures.

00:07:16.200 It was the reaction of the governor of California or whatever blue state you're in.

00:07:22.000 But it wasn't COVID because COVID hit Florida and Disney World stayed open and COVID hit California and Disneyland shut down.

00:07:31.260 So it wasn't COVID.

00:07:32.460 It was the reaction to COVID.

00:07:33.900 But yes, their wordsmithing, it's very interesting.

00:07:38.700 You have to really keep your eye on it.

00:07:40.540 I don't think most people notice the wordsmithing.

00:07:43.400 That, of course, is ridiculous.

00:07:46.140 And if that was a white ball player versus a black ball player, then they would have slid the trial and they wouldn't have said trial.

00:07:56.880 They would have said murder and they would have slid it up to the top.

00:08:00.420 Or like I said, any racist transgression.

00:08:04.480 They'll slide it to the top and then all the 15-time all-star stuff will be way, way down the line.

00:08:10.520 So it's all part of a kind of a general massaging.

00:08:15.120 And it's not so undifferent than, you know, when they're looking for white national Christians or whatever such nonsense.

00:08:23.340 You know when they say the biggest threat this country faces is white supremacy.

00:08:30.660 All right.

00:08:31.040 Well, then they go find it.

00:08:32.980 And then they start massaging the stories.

00:08:35.020 And if a black guy punches an Asian lady on the streets of Manhattan, they tamp that one down.

00:08:40.400 And if a white guy protests out front of an abortion clinic, then they build that one up.

00:08:44.940 It's all part of the building up and tamping down.

00:08:48.580 It's not just build up or tamp down.

00:08:51.160 It's kind of both.

00:08:52.060 Oh, yeah.

00:08:53.340 Oh, it's like every other day in the news or on my X feed, you see some group beat down by black students or black youths on a white kid.

00:09:04.720 Most recently in Connecticut, we just saw this circulating in a park happened just the other day.

00:09:11.360 The white girl had uttered a racial slur.

00:09:15.120 Nobody's going to defend that.

00:09:16.300 But the beat down looked like they were trying to impose the death penalty on her.

00:09:20.580 I mean, the rabid rage unleashed on this girl.

00:09:24.540 Then, of course, we saw another girl get almost murdered in the same circumstances.

00:09:29.700 That doesn't get put on loop by the media because it doesn't fit the narrative.

00:09:33.420 They don't know how to explain, honestly, what looks like subhuman behavior by these assailants on these victims.

00:09:40.500 They don't want to talk about it.

00:09:41.680 But if the races were reversed, it would be everywhere.

00:09:45.560 Yes.

00:09:46.300 And for some reason, if there's a black and a white and the white puts his hands on the black, it is racist and it's a hate crime, even though there could be context to it.

00:10:01.280 Maybe there's a traffic altercation or someone tried to hurt somebody or something like that.

00:10:05.880 But in their world, there's no such thing as a black-white interaction that's not racist unless it's multiple blacks trying to kill one white girl, in which case it has no application racially.

00:10:20.260 So, really, their own measuring stick is bent into a pretzel, if you really think about it.

00:10:26.380 Like, if you go, like, well, look, they hate bad cop shootings, right?

00:10:32.320 That's the number one thing they complain about is bad cop shootings.

00:10:35.500 Okay, well, then what about when cops shoot a white guy?

00:10:39.360 Is that something you're bothered by?

00:10:41.060 No, it's not something we're interested in.

00:10:43.120 So, their own yardstick for measuring this stuff is completely warped.

00:10:50.020 And obviously, they have an agenda, and their agenda is to agitate, and they're essentially going to cause a race riot, like, if they're not careful, and they already kind of have.

00:11:01.900 I mean, they've done it with George Floyd and many other cases.

00:11:06.040 But they're essentially baiting America into a race riot.

00:11:11.080 That's essentially what the news is doing.

00:11:13.640 Yes.

00:11:13.860 So, today, there was this woman on CNN who has it so backward, right?

00:11:18.340 So, now it's gone.

00:11:19.280 I read you the AP and the NPR.

00:11:21.080 We could keep going.

00:11:21.800 There are a lot of other headlines, which are just ridiculous, too.

00:11:24.200 The New York Times had a doozy.

00:11:27.740 But CNN puts on a commentator who used to work for Biden and Obama, and she takes it next level.

00:11:35.980 She basically suggests, unless we do something about, you know, we have this conversation about race that we've apparently never had.

00:11:46.080 I guess we didn't even have it in the wake of George Floyd.

00:11:48.340 You're going to get a lot more O.J. Simpsons.

00:11:51.800 Listen to this incredible soundbite.

00:11:55.400 It's not like O.J. Simpson was the leader of the civil rights movement of his era.

00:12:00.760 You know, he wasn't a social justice leader, but he represented something for the black community in that moment, in that trial, particularly because there were two white people who had been killed.

00:12:11.280 And the history around how black people have been persecuted during slavery.

00:12:16.440 There were just so many layers.

00:12:18.600 And I guess I would just close with this, is that there was racial tension then.

00:12:23.740 There is racial tension now.

00:12:25.320 It might not be the backdrop of the Trump campaign.

00:12:28.140 But until this country is ready to actually have an honest conversation about the racial dynamics from our origin story till today, we will always have moments like O.J. Simpson that manifest.

00:12:40.160 And our country will always be divided if we don't actually deal with the issue of race.

00:12:44.620 Wait, what, what, what, she brings up the race of the victims.

00:12:53.460 She points out that somehow he represented something for the black community, particularly because he killed two whites.

00:13:02.220 So that makes the black community more, what, empathetic in her view to O.J.?

00:13:07.560 Because, OK, and then she she lands it with we're always going to have moments like O.J. Simpson that manifest if we don't have this honest conversation.

00:13:16.220 So I guess the whites are going to have to get used to the whole murder thing unless we get real frank about D.E.I.

00:13:22.740 Yeah, it's fairly insidious.

00:13:27.660 You know, it always cracks me up, though.

00:13:30.180 The group that always starts talking about having an honest conversation about race.

00:13:35.680 All right.

00:13:36.000 So let's, like, break that statement down.

00:13:37.920 OK, so we're having conversations about race, but we're not having an honest conversation about race.

00:13:43.700 So you want an honest conversation about race.

00:13:46.340 The only honest conversation there is about race is stop having kids out of wedlock.

00:13:50.940 Stay home.

00:13:52.240 Dads, raise your kids.

00:13:53.760 Intact family.

00:13:55.140 Family and education.

00:13:56.600 That's about it.

00:13:57.700 It'll work with all races.

00:13:59.280 It would be an honest conversation for all races.

00:14:01.440 The races that do the least of it are doing the worst in our society.

00:14:05.580 So now we're done with our honest conversation about race, except for you and none of your so-called leaders ever want to have that conversation, which is the only honest conversation about race.

00:14:18.220 The rest of the race discussion is window dressing.

00:14:21.680 That's just, well, should we get a black DA?

00:14:24.060 Should we get a black police chief?

00:14:26.200 Should we lower test scores?

00:14:28.480 What about systemic racism?

00:14:30.940 What about bridges?

00:14:32.520 We should rename bridges and tear down statues.

00:14:34.880 That's all superfluous sidebar stuff.

00:14:37.740 The only honest conversation is the family, the intact family, dad staying in and raising kids, focusing on family and education.

00:14:47.020 And that's the honest conversation they never want to have about race.

00:14:51.200 Interesting.

00:14:52.300 To me, it's so infuriating to watch them try to recast the OJ double murder case as just about the race.

00:15:01.760 I mean, yes, we all saw that play a role in the trial.

00:15:05.060 That's why he was acquitted.

00:15:06.240 We know that.

00:15:07.260 But they don't want to talk about what he did, what happened, about the travesty that he unleashed on his family and these two innocents.

00:15:17.720 And I went back, Adam, and I pulled this because, you know, you and I are old enough to have lived this firsthand when she was murdered, along with Ron Goldman.

00:15:25.900 For the young people listening, she was OJ's ex-wife.

00:15:28.440 There had been a long history of domestic violence, and then she went out to—they had seen each other at a ballet rehearsal for her daughter earlier that day.

00:15:37.240 Something ticked him off.

00:15:38.640 I don't know exactly what it was, but something about her got to him at that thing.

00:15:42.620 It wasn't like they had some open conflict or she showed up with another man, even though they were already divorced.

00:15:47.200 And he came to her house that night and murdered her.

00:15:49.740 But he ran into Ron Goldman, who she had seen at a restaurant, and she had left her glasses behind.

00:15:54.700 He was coming over to drop them back off to her, and he murdered them both.

00:15:58.120 So said a civil jury.

00:16:00.140 And they're forgetting.

00:16:02.320 Like, they're forgetting how brutal the crime was, how it was in cold blood right in the middle of the, you know, mid-evening.

00:16:09.660 And I went back and pulled, just so that people understand the severity of this guy, the 911 call.

00:16:17.160 One of them.

00:16:17.760 There were many.

00:16:18.680 That shows her terror when he was abusing her.

00:16:22.060 Take a listen here.

00:16:22.680 911 emergency, 588.

00:16:24.760 Can you get someone over here now to 325 Gretna Green?

00:16:28.200 He's back.

00:16:29.160 Please.

00:16:29.740 Okay, what does he look like?

00:16:30.960 He's O.J. Simpson.

00:16:32.260 I think you know his record.

00:16:33.760 Could you just take somebody over here?

00:16:35.540 Okay, what is he doing there?

00:16:36.880 He just drove up again.

00:16:38.620 Can you just take somebody over?

00:16:40.020 Okay, wait a minute.

00:16:40.520 What kind of car is he in?

00:16:41.620 He's in a white Bronco.

00:16:42.820 But first of all, he broke the back door down to get in.

00:16:45.240 What is he doing?

00:16:45.960 Is he threatening you?

00:16:48.020 I'm going nuts.

00:16:50.120 Okay, has he threatened you in any way or is he just harassing you?

00:16:57.040 You're going to hear him in a minute.

00:16:58.360 He's about to get in again.

00:16:59.920 Okay, just stay on the line.

00:17:00.940 I don't want to stay on the line.

00:17:02.080 He's going to beat the shit out.

00:17:02.940 Wait a minute.

00:17:03.460 Does he have any weapons?

00:17:04.780 I don't know.

00:17:06.420 Okay.

00:17:07.020 He went home.

00:17:07.840 Now he's back.

00:17:08.880 Okay.

00:17:09.100 My kids are up there sleeping and I don't want anything to happen.

00:17:11.920 Okay.

00:17:12.700 He broke the whole back door in.

00:17:15.240 And then he left and he came back?

00:17:17.180 And he came and he practically knocked my upstairs door down.

00:17:21.320 But he pounded it.

00:17:22.220 And then he screamed and hollered.

00:17:23.880 And I tried to get him out of the bedroom because the kids were sleeping in there.

00:17:26.780 Okay, we can't go.

00:17:28.900 Okay.

00:17:30.240 The suspect has now entered into the hospital.

00:17:31.920 Okay, the kids are closing.

00:17:34.340 It's called too high.

00:17:35.060 It's called too high.

00:17:37.120 We're going to start this thing in the room.

00:17:39.360 Hey, we're here.

00:17:40.600 I'm going to get in.

00:17:43.180 Just stay on the line, okay?

00:17:44.540 Hey, ask me about that.

00:17:47.320 Is he upset with something that you did?

00:17:49.060 One last night.

00:17:50.120 Oh, a long time ago.

00:17:52.460 It always comes back.

00:17:55.520 And, you know, Denise Brown, her sister, would go on to say, we have to start talking about

00:18:00.440 domestic violence for what it is.

00:18:02.000 These are future murder victims.

00:18:03.740 These are potential future murder victims.

00:18:06.480 That's what happened to her.

00:18:08.100 And all these so-called, you know, AP and the NPR.

00:18:11.220 I'm sure they'd be quick to lecture us on women's rights and domestic violence and how bad men are in general.

00:18:19.260 What?

00:18:20.040 Unless you're O.J. Simpson and you happen to be a black man, in which case, after 30 years, we'll just focus on your football.

00:18:27.380 Well, I mean, they always talk about women's rights and domestic abuse and stuff, but they don't really care.

00:18:36.480 I mean, you know, it's all that queers for Palestine and all that kind of stuff.

00:18:41.300 They all just talk.

00:18:43.700 They're not really interested in the actual abuse part.

00:18:47.740 But it is, you know, it's an interesting psychological experiment, O.J. is, in that he grew up in a housing project in San Francisco,

00:18:58.240 and he grew up on the mean streets and probably ran in some pretty tough circles and probably saw a lot, was probably exposed to a lot,

00:19:09.700 or may have been abused and so on and so forth growing up.

00:19:13.680 But his aesthetic was so pleasing.

00:19:16.820 He had such a nice look to him, and his tone was so unarming and so pleasing that we, as biological creatures, sort of looked at him and went,

00:19:29.860 oh, okay, he's good.

00:19:31.820 He wouldn't put his hands on anybody.

00:19:34.180 Listen to the way he speaks.

00:19:35.960 Look at the way he looks.

00:19:38.020 You know, he just didn't fit the part.

00:19:40.220 And we, as human beings, look at a guy like George Clooney, and we look at a fat guy with three chins, and we go,

00:19:50.580 I bet that George Clooney guy's a better guy, and I bet he'd make a better airline pilot than the fat guy would,

00:19:57.480 based on completely just an aesthetic.

00:20:01.340 You know, and O.J. had the aesthetic, and he had the smoothness, and literally just the tone of his voice and his demeanor.

00:20:08.200 And it made us all kind of go, like, come on, he's a good dude.

00:20:12.140 He wouldn't do anything.

00:20:14.180 But he grew up in a tough environment.

00:20:16.940 He was an athlete.

00:20:18.160 He probably was concussed a few times.

00:20:20.420 And he had all the reasons to do what he did, as any murderer does.

00:20:25.980 He just came in this sort of very palatable package.

00:20:31.260 Gosh, you're right.

00:20:32.260 And it's, I mean, yesterday we played a video of him from Instagram that he posted shortly before he died.

00:20:38.540 It was like a month or two ago.

00:20:40.060 And he still had that sort of jolly demeanor.

00:20:43.160 Very disarming, as you say.

00:20:45.200 And that's what was so tricky about him.

00:20:48.860 Like, when you watch the clip, you think, oh, the juice.

00:20:52.620 He's such a nice guy.

00:20:53.960 He's clearly seeking our approval and our friendship and, you know, our thumbs up.

00:20:58.620 And you want to give it, and then you remember who he really was.

00:21:02.220 And, you know, I firmly believe he did something as profoundly evil as any man can do.

00:21:08.480 And that he's paying for it at this very moment.

00:21:12.080 Two other things on OJ.

00:21:15.300 Weirdly, some in the media, this whole thing brought up Trump for them.

00:21:22.740 Okay.

00:21:24.320 First, the L.A. Times, the obit.

00:21:26.960 Okay, first of all, the obit for OJ, at most major media outlets, would have been written long ago.

00:21:33.940 Should have been written long ago.

00:21:35.560 They all, you know, having worked at many television places, I can tell you that as you get into, like, your mid-70s,

00:21:40.940 and certainly when people know you have prostate cancer, as they knew about OJ, you get it ready.

00:21:44.960 You get the package ready.

00:21:45.780 You get the obit ready.

00:21:46.620 Apparently not at the L.A. Times.

00:21:48.440 Because their obit writer released the following in her initial piece.

00:21:52.860 But long before the city woke up on a fall morning in 2017, Trump walked out of Lovelock Correctional Center outside Reno,

00:22:02.500 a free man for the first time in nine years.

00:22:05.020 He didn't go far, moving into a 5,000-square-foot home, a 5,000-square-foot home in Vegas with a Bentley in the driveway.

00:22:12.500 Now, what on earth would make Elaine Wu, L.A. native, who's been writing for this paper since 1983 and the obits writer,

00:22:21.340 think of Trump when she decided to go back to OJ's criminal past?

00:22:27.140 To me, it's evidence that she's salivating about the prospect of Trump being in a correctional facility someday soon.

00:22:36.140 And when the L.A. Times had to correct her obit, they changed it from Trump to Simpson with a note saying,

00:22:43.720 in an earlier version, we used, quote, the wrong name when describing him.

00:22:49.820 All right, that's number one.

00:22:51.500 And then here's number two, a little clip from The View, who also managed to work Trump into it somehow.

00:22:57.740 For me, the tragedy was the injustice, in my opinion.

00:23:03.060 Which part?

00:23:03.700 Which injustice?

00:23:04.000 The criminal trial.

00:23:05.220 The fact that he was not found guilty.

00:23:07.060 Oh, yeah.

00:23:07.740 But he was found liable later, civilly.

00:23:10.440 Like Trump is found liable for rape.

00:23:12.220 Yes, he was the same thing.

00:23:15.120 Everything goes back to Trump.

00:23:18.080 Until he's gone, I will not rest.

00:23:20.420 Liable for sexual assault.

00:23:23.180 Same thing, Trump and OJ, basically looking at the same situation.

00:23:27.740 Well, to be fair to the L.A. Times staff writer, in the L.A. Times computers, that's just a spell correct.

00:23:34.860 Anytime you're writing a hit piece about someone nefarious, it just auto-corrects to Trump.

00:23:40.860 So if you're telling a story about Bismarck or Pol Pot or Hitler, it just auto-corrects to Trump.

00:23:51.200 So if you're writing a story about Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson, it would just come up with Trump.

00:23:55.600 You can't remember that manual override.

00:23:57.740 Yeah, obviously, it's got to be an interesting life for Joy Behar, because she will be laying on her deathbed, possibly with prostate cancer.

00:24:13.760 I don't know.

00:24:15.560 I haven't checked.

00:24:16.580 And in her world—

00:24:17.680 Don't want to.

00:24:18.480 Well, but she should also have every right to get prostate cancer as a male, according to her politics.

00:24:25.500 So when she's lying in her deathbed several years from now, she can think back on the last 20 years of her life

00:24:35.280 and realized she was obsessed with someone she basically never met who had no impact on her life.

00:24:44.180 Like an imaginary chupacabra that she obsessed with for the last 20 years of her life named Donald Trump.

00:24:53.280 And I think the joke is going to be on her.

00:24:55.640 We'll wait for that.

00:24:59.260 Maybe she'll see the light before that day comes.

00:25:01.920 All right, last thing on OJ.

00:25:04.040 There is a weird thing online that I want to talk about.

00:25:09.020 There is a conspiracy theory, and it's been around for a long time since I became a public figure,

00:25:16.740 that I am Nicole Brown Simpson, that she and I are actually the same person.

00:25:23.900 This is a thing. You can Google it.

00:25:26.220 And, of course, it was all over the place yesterday.

00:25:29.180 It was all over my mentions yesterday, people tweeting pictures of the two of us at me in my comments.

00:25:35.480 And this is the first time I really went down the rabbit hole with any, you know, amount of time.

00:25:41.680 And I have to tell you, it's amazing to me how many people have given real thought to this.

00:25:47.140 They were having arguments about how it could be, how it might not be, about how I have, like, a more heart-shaped face,

00:25:55.360 and she had a more square jaw, about how somebody really needs to check me for the scars from, like, whatever operation I had to transform.

00:26:05.880 I think the theory is I was, I am right now, actually, Nicole Brown Simpson, that I wasn't actually murdered,

00:26:14.320 that somehow Hollywood staged this or did something to make it look like I had died.

00:26:20.800 And then I came back as journalist, Megyn Kelly, and I guess also decided to make myself a public figure.

00:26:29.240 I didn't decide to leave this, leave this quiet life, you know, having gotten away with this ruse.

00:26:33.360 I decided to go back on the air under the name Megyn Kelly.

00:26:36.720 And there was somebody online defending me, saying, no, here's what he says.

00:26:44.440 Hold on.

00:26:46.120 He says, oh, here's, here's just some back and forth before we get to him.

00:26:48.640 Okay, we've got to check for scars.

00:26:50.880 Indeed, it was all fake.

00:26:52.180 This is a bunch of different people weighing in.

00:26:54.520 Her jaw is totally different.

00:26:55.620 Can cosmetic surgery change a jaw?

00:26:57.540 It can, but I've never had cosmetic surgery on my jaw.

00:27:00.140 This is my natural-born chin, madam.

00:27:02.720 I imagine the DNA must be on file.

00:27:05.560 Then somebody responds, not a chance.

00:27:07.460 I said this earlier.

00:27:08.420 Megyn Kelly dated my uncle for years while they were both at Syracuse.

00:27:12.280 He's in her book.

00:27:13.300 She used to babysit me.

00:27:14.640 This is all total BS.

00:27:16.640 You are correct into thin air.

00:27:18.420 I am a real person with a whole independent history having nothing to do with Nicole Brown Simpson, who was very clearly murdered back in 1994.

00:27:28.520 And I don't know what this says about us, Adam, but I do think it's important in our society to somehow try to maintain some distance between COVID starting in a lab is a conspiracy theory, and you're a nutcase.

00:27:45.200 And people who believe there are lizard people, you know, walking amongst us, and that I'm reincarnation or the current version of Nicole Brown.

00:27:53.940 Like, I do worry that, like, I do worry that, like, getting from the first group, which are not conspiracy theories, they're just labeled such, into the second group, which are genuinely unhinged beliefs.

00:28:06.600 I don't know.

00:28:07.640 Is that the path?

00:28:08.960 Like, does one go from being called a conspiracy theorist into actual conspiracy theories?

00:28:13.940 Or how and why is this happening to the second group?

00:28:17.400 Well, it is interesting.

00:28:20.800 You're right.

00:28:21.760 If you create flat earthers and lizard people and all that, then they will lump side effects from the vaccinations and lab origin or origin of the virus or people who take ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine.

00:28:39.040 Then you'll get lumped into the lizard person, flat earther group, which would be pretty effective if you were trying to throw a little mud and tarnish the reputation of somebody who believed in something that was real, like origins of COVID, and then smear them.

00:29:02.020 So there is something sort of diabolical about it.

00:29:05.380 I feel your pain.

00:29:06.840 I'm mistaken for Greg Brady of the Brady Bunch quite a bit.

00:29:11.100 And there's a lot of theories online as to whether there's two of us or just me.

00:29:16.820 And then why would I go into media?

00:29:19.240 But let's not make this about it.

00:29:20.480 Well, we need a split screen of that.

00:29:21.780 We're going to work on that.

00:29:23.220 Please.

00:29:23.760 Yeah, I don't know.

00:29:24.180 It's very, I mean, I'll give you some of the, let's see.

00:29:26.780 I mean, this is just from yesterday, but these pop up in my timeline all the time.

00:29:29.880 Nicole Brown Simpson versus Megyn Kelly, Hollywood recycles dead actors.

00:29:34.000 Why does Nicole Brown Simpson look exactly like Megyn Kelly?

00:29:37.000 I don't think we look exactly like it all.

00:29:38.600 She has brown eyes.

00:29:39.440 I have blue eyes.

00:29:40.940 There's a lot of differences between us.

00:29:42.340 There's a vague resemblance.

00:29:43.980 Is Megyn Kelly, Nicole Brown Simpson, and on and on.

00:29:47.800 I am going to put on this video some pictures of the young Megyn Kelly in Syracuse, New York, where I grew up.

00:29:56.920 I was born in Illinois, moved to Illinois.

00:29:58.560 I have a long, or moved to Syracuse.

00:30:00.600 I have a long history of being alive in my own skin under my own name, people.

00:30:05.740 You got to let it go.

00:30:07.200 Focus on getting the help you need.

00:30:10.540 Like, go outside, smell the fresh air, get some rest, see real people.

00:30:16.460 Stay off the internet.

00:30:18.180 I think that's the number one piece of advice.

00:30:20.380 Stay off the internet.

00:30:21.900 If you are prone to this kind of thinking, it's not your friend.

00:30:26.660 All right.

00:30:27.240 Quick break, Adam.

00:30:28.300 We will come back.

00:30:29.080 There's so much more to discuss.

00:30:30.440 I'm dying to discuss with you what happened at Berkeley.

00:30:33.160 We're going to spend a chunk on that.

00:30:34.460 Stand by.

00:30:34.820 So, Adam, you made reference to this situation in Chicago with a police officer involved shooting a man named Dexter Reed, 26-year-old from Chicago,

00:30:48.980 was shot dead after he pulled a gun on cops and shot them and actually did shoot a police officer in the arm.

00:30:58.920 And then the police responded that this is the at least initial information coming out from the authorities there,

00:31:04.860 including a group that's charged this civilian office of public of police accountability with investigating this kind of case.

00:31:12.080 Amazingly, the media continues to raise the decedent's race.

00:31:18.360 He was black.

00:31:19.360 They don't mention the race of the cops.

00:31:21.300 Most of them appear to have been black.

00:31:23.280 Not relevant, right?

00:31:24.800 Just assume white.

00:31:26.580 And by the way, even if they're black, it doesn't matter.

00:31:28.280 Still racism.

00:31:29.800 And also, they continue to show Dexter Reed's high school graduation photo as though this is just this super sweet, clean-cut kid who hasn't done anything wrong.

00:31:40.900 He's just, you know, graduating from high school, living an upstanding life, without mentioning, and it happened again today in the New York Times, without mentioning, he has a mugshot.

00:31:53.240 And that's because he had multiple recent arrests, including gun charges, including for having an authorized weapon.

00:32:02.960 We played the video yesterday of a neighbor's surveillance camera that appears to show him shooting out of the passenger side of his vehicle.

00:32:14.480 The gun smoke comes out of the passenger side.

00:32:17.940 The cop gets blown back, falls on his back, and it's on the right side of your screen.

00:32:22.940 For those of you watching this on YouTube, you're going to see the cops back up.

00:32:25.840 Look, you see the cop fall down, and then the shootout begins.

00:32:30.020 And they are reporting on this in a way that doesn't, in many cases, immediately make clear there's a reason the cops unleashed 96 shots in 41 seconds on a black man, as Washington Post used for its headline.

00:32:46.300 He shot at them first.

00:32:48.300 What do you make of it?

00:32:48.900 Well, I mean, it's all part of the hustle, the race hustle.

00:32:55.360 It's why nobody really is into legacy news anymore.

00:33:00.660 They're hurting their own cause when they lie this way.

00:33:05.420 You know, they have components of a story that they like, and then they have components of the story that are sort of troublesome to them.

00:33:14.280 So the components of the story they like is they like the black man being shot.

00:33:20.120 They like the 96 shots in 41 seconds.

00:33:23.800 They like the pulled over for a seatbelt violation.

00:33:28.300 They like all that.

00:33:29.800 They don't like the part where he fired on the cops first, and they don't like the part where the cops were black, and some were black, and appear to be female as well from the video I've seen.

00:33:42.840 So what they do when they write the story, when, you know, L.A. Times, New York Times, or Legacy Media, or whoever the race hustlers are write the story, they go, okay, let's put them all in a basket.

00:33:56.380 What do we like?

00:33:58.060 Well, we like that he's black.

00:33:59.420 Good.

00:33:59.780 We like that he's young.

00:34:01.020 Good.

00:34:02.120 He was convicted for a gun charge.

00:34:04.520 Okay, we don't like that.

00:34:06.100 Get that out of there.

00:34:07.220 We like a high school graduation picture.

00:34:09.360 The guy who got choked out on the subway, who threatened everyone on the subway car.

00:34:15.140 We like that he was a Michael Jackson impersonator.

00:34:17.480 Good.

00:34:17.740 Get a picture of him dressed up like Michael Jackson.

00:34:21.200 We're going to use that.

00:34:22.780 Okay.

00:34:23.340 We don't like the part where he fired on the cops first, so we'll get that out of here.

00:34:26.820 We do like the multiple rounds fired by the cops, so we'll put that in there.

00:34:30.460 And then we'll just build ourselves a little stew of lies.

00:34:34.840 And that's how they roll.

00:34:37.780 And the sad part is they could get away with it, and they did get away with it for a long time.

00:34:43.220 But the problem is people have caught up to them, and technology's caught up to them.

00:34:47.660 There's video, body cameras, ring doorbells, and all that to dispute them.

00:34:53.560 Because 20 years ago, they just would have said this, and we all would have had to swallow it.

00:35:00.400 So, they're race hustlers.

00:35:03.420 They're essentially trying to start a race war.

00:35:06.060 They're married to some narrative.

00:35:08.580 They go back to that well every time.

00:35:11.260 And as we get closer to the election, I imagine they're going to keep trying to hustle this.

00:35:18.120 On the other hand, it's always to their own detriment, because I don't think of them as news anymore.

00:35:24.980 But it's amazing, like, the misleading.

00:35:28.920 The New York Times doesn't use the mugshot and doesn't even mention the prior arrests, Adam, which are, as you point out, one of them, not convicted, but arrested for aggravated, unlawful use of a firearm.

00:35:43.680 Like, that was recent.

00:35:46.320 That would be relevant to mention.

00:35:49.220 Where is that?

00:35:50.400 They pretend to hate guns, right?

00:35:54.020 They pretend to hate guns, except for they don't care about the part where this guy was arrested for firearms and firing his gun at the cops.

00:36:03.380 So, they have all the—

00:36:04.260 All 11 rounds, from the look of it.

00:36:05.920 Yes.

00:36:06.540 They have a great disdain for guns, except for they miss this part, as it pertains to this case, and him having priors for having a gun.

00:36:17.280 Well, so you have the mayor—we talked about this yesterday a bit—but the mayor, Brandon Johnson, you saw this?

00:36:24.260 He comes out as mayor and a father raising a family, including two black boys on the west side of Chicago.

00:36:31.380 I'm personally devastated to see yet another young black man lose his life during an interaction with police.

00:36:38.420 Right.

00:36:39.000 It is devastating.

00:36:39.860 Perhaps you should call on other young black men in the community not to shoot cops.

00:36:46.740 It's a very, very good way not to have them shoot at you.

00:36:50.580 Well, first off, he's such a race hustler.

00:36:53.700 And this thing where you go, as a father of two black children, shut up, you ass.

00:36:58.520 That's out of the Obama playbook.

00:37:00.700 I know.

00:37:01.160 I know.

00:37:01.620 If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin.

00:37:04.060 Stop race hustling all the time.

00:37:07.100 It is such a lack of fiduciary duty what these people do.

00:37:12.220 It's literally trying to incite a race riot in the city they govern over.

00:37:19.100 Because you can't—

00:37:19.680 Right, right.

00:37:19.700 Good point.

00:37:20.880 Any context.

00:37:21.880 You're literally—you're lighting a match and throwing it into kerosene in your own city.

00:37:29.300 You're trying to incite this.

00:37:30.460 He's a pompous ass.

00:37:32.040 He's a narcissist.

00:37:33.240 Yes, you have two black kids.

00:37:34.740 I have two white kids.

00:37:35.800 Good, we're even.

00:37:37.000 Move forward.

00:37:38.420 Focus on the case.

00:37:40.380 They do this every time.

00:37:43.480 First off, who would want to be a cop under these circumstances?

00:37:47.540 If this is the way you're going to be portrayed, what would it do for recruitment?

00:37:52.540 Obviously, it's killing it.

00:37:54.400 And he is not fit to be mayor if that's his version of this story.

00:38:01.120 And by the way, why is every single version the race riot version of every single one of

00:38:08.240 these stories?

00:38:08.900 Does anyone think—at some point, they'll do a retraction or apology where they go, oh,

00:38:14.620 we got it wrong, or we probably should have included this.

00:38:17.340 How come it's never at the beginning?

00:38:20.340 Yeah.

00:38:21.360 The AP headline yesterday, Deadly Chicago Traffic Stop, Where Police Fired 96 Shots, raises serious

00:38:28.940 questions about use of force.

00:38:31.220 No, it doesn't.

00:38:32.200 No, it doesn't.

00:38:32.840 If you know one critical fact that you didn't put in your headline, AP, here's the other

00:38:37.660 thing.

00:38:38.240 We're about two minutes from Benjamin Crump showing up in Chicago with Al Sharpton, trying

00:38:42.740 to gin this thing up, if history's any guide.

00:38:45.360 The mother of Dexter Reed, the 26-year-old who died, took to the cameras yesterday.

00:38:54.200 And here's a bit of that.

00:38:55.720 He was a good kid, and why they did him like that, I just don't understand.

00:39:03.980 He had just bought his new car three days before that, and he was just riding around in his

00:39:10.440 car.

00:39:11.200 He said, Mom, boy, boy, ride.

00:39:14.060 And they killed him.

00:39:16.100 They killed him.

00:39:18.480 They killed him.

00:39:19.880 For the listening audience, she kind of collapses, though unclear whether that was organic or

00:39:29.720 orchestrated.

00:39:30.700 I'm sorry, but to me, that did not look real.

00:39:33.680 It looked like she kind of crumbled for effect.

00:39:37.180 I'm sorry that she lost her son.

00:39:38.740 I think it's her son's fault.

00:39:40.440 That's what I think, based on the evidence so far.

00:39:42.700 You don't want to—you shoot at the cop every time he's going to shoot back at you, and they

00:39:46.820 shoot to kill.

00:39:47.300 If they have a deadly threat facing them, the law allows them to shoot to kill.

00:39:51.580 The number of bullets returned—it's not even bullets.

00:39:54.280 It's just rounds fired.

00:39:55.640 That's not the number that hit Dexter Reed.

00:39:58.300 It's—they're allowed to respond to deadly force with deadly force.

00:40:03.140 The question here is not about the number of bullets.

00:40:06.880 Right.

00:40:07.620 Well, okay.

00:40:08.680 So this is kind of the new world order.

00:40:11.180 Um, she says all he's doing is driving around, minding his own business, uh, gets pulled

00:40:17.540 over, and they kill him.

00:40:19.420 And then if she says it with enough gusto and then collapses into the crowd, then we all

00:40:25.960 go, oh, okay.

00:40:27.100 I guess I believe her.

00:40:29.660 Um, and this is a very dangerous place we're at in a society.

00:40:34.040 I mean, we just kind of went through it with COVID.

00:40:35.980 A lot of emotion, a lot of people crying, a lot of people screaming about Nana at home

00:40:41.480 and bringing it home to them.

00:40:42.820 And then if they get enough emotion going and there's enough certitude in their voice,

00:40:46.500 then we all just go, oh, okay.

00:40:48.260 Yeah, okay.

00:40:48.840 I guess that's what happened.

00:40:50.500 Uh, she's a liar.

00:40:52.600 Ben Crump, all these, uh, ass-wipe race hustlers are going to come in and lie.

00:40:57.560 CNN's going to lie.

00:40:58.520 And by the way, like AP, and we just learned about NPR, but a lot of these networks, I

00:41:03.780 want to tell your audience this.

00:41:05.520 You know, people always do this thing where they go, well, you got CNN over here and you

00:41:09.800 got Fox over here, and they kind of both do their own thing.

00:41:13.360 Well, what about AP?

00:41:15.320 And what about Reuters?

00:41:16.800 And what about USA Today?

00:41:18.200 And what about all these places you leave out who are clearly in the camp of the left?

00:41:23.860 I mean, they all regurgitated this story the same way.

00:41:28.280 These are, people understand what Fox is doing and people understand what MSNBC is doing.

00:41:34.280 But what they don't really understand is what USA Today and AP and Reuters are doing, which

00:41:38.780 is lying as well.

00:41:41.060 Yeah, you're so right.

00:41:42.320 That's why the NPR expose written by this guy earlier this week was so telling.

00:41:48.040 Because he's still on the inside.

00:41:50.020 It was published at the Free Press, and he came out with an article all about his own

00:41:54.800 organization.

00:41:55.840 His name is Yuri Berliner, senior business editor.

00:41:58.440 has worked, has worked, continues to, at NPR for 25 years.

00:42:03.140 And this piece is exposing how extensive the rot is inside of NPR, how everything is seen

00:42:11.240 through a diversity lens.

00:42:12.540 There's NPR, no R for the black employees.

00:42:18.360 My friend accurately pointed out, there's no NPR blanc, Adam.

00:42:22.560 That's not a thing.

00:42:23.440 There's an affinity group for every kind of racial group.

00:42:27.760 All of their coverage is seen through that lens.

00:42:29.960 There are no conservatives, literally not one in at least the D.C.

00:42:34.020 Bureau.

00:42:34.340 And I'm sure it's true for most of NPR.

00:42:36.940 And yet they're publicly funded.

00:42:38.400 They have government funding.

00:42:39.760 Trump saying the other day, it ought to be rescinded.

00:42:41.980 And now you've got the New York Times cleanup piece on it saying, OK, they've been accused

00:42:48.700 of liberal bias, NPR in turmoil after it is accused of liberal bias, as though it's just

00:42:55.900 an allegation.

00:42:56.880 And then they say that they've responded forcefully.

00:43:00.560 They forcefully pushed back.

00:43:02.760 And their evidence is to quote Edith Chapin, the organization's editor in chief, saying, quote,

00:43:09.020 quote, we believe that inclusion among our staff with our sourcing and in our overall

00:43:14.980 coverage is critical to sell it to telling the nuanced stories of the country and our

00:43:19.880 world.

00:43:20.420 That's not forcefully pushing back.

00:43:22.580 That's admitting that you're obsessed with DEI instead of news.

00:43:27.420 And you, as this internal guy, Yuri Berliner points out, haven't raised your minority viewership

00:43:33.380 or reading population by one person.

00:43:36.580 There's still dirt low.

00:43:37.840 They don't want to watch or listen to your publications any more than whites or Asians

00:43:42.920 do.

00:43:44.840 Well, a couple of things.

00:43:47.340 I experienced this firsthand, I think about 10 years ago, one of my books came out.

00:43:53.200 I went to Manhattan.

00:43:55.020 I was doing a media tour and I went down to NPR and I think I was on Brian Lehrer's show

00:44:02.700 and I sat down and did a long interview with him, audio interview.

00:44:08.100 And at the beginning of the interview, he tried to bust me because he played a snippet

00:44:14.920 of my podcast where there was a stereotypical Asian voice being used.

00:44:21.480 And he thought it was me and he tried a gotcha moment at the beginning of the interview, which

00:44:26.540 is, first off, thank you very much.

00:44:29.140 I'm just sitting down to do an interview and we're here to talk about my comedy book, but

00:44:32.740 you try your gotcha thing because you're NPR and you're woke.

00:44:36.840 Fine.

00:44:37.280 I had to inform him that that voice was Joe Coy, who is Asian, and that was not me who

00:44:45.380 was doing that voice.

00:44:47.180 And he said, I said, I appreciate what you're trying to do.

00:44:51.120 You're trying to catch me, but you didn't catch me because you didn't do your research

00:44:55.480 well enough.

00:44:56.100 I was interviewing an Asian man who's a comedian who did an Asian voice.

00:44:59.860 Um, they then didn't air that video.

00:45:05.700 Uh, and I should say they didn't air the interview.

00:45:09.440 And then other people came in like John Waters, other authors came in and they would, they played

00:45:17.360 his, his interview.

00:45:19.040 And I kept contacting them saying, when are you going to play my interview?

00:45:24.020 And, uh, they said, we're doing a fun drive, a pledge drive.

00:45:28.620 So we're not going to do it this week, but we'll do it next week.

00:45:31.220 They never aired it.

00:45:32.580 They buried it.

00:45:33.700 And at the end, they said, you can come back to New York and redo it if you want.

00:45:39.160 So here's, here's what I'm going to say.

00:45:41.460 NPR and Brian layer.

00:45:42.820 And when you look these guys up, they're like respected journeyman, journalists.

00:45:47.200 You know, the truth is the beacon of life.

00:45:50.400 You idiots got busted trying to bust me doing an interview.

00:45:55.940 I came to you.

00:45:57.120 I sat down to do an interview about my comedy book.

00:46:00.000 You tried to bust me because you're retarded politics.

00:46:03.240 You got busted and then you buried the tape and you've never aired it.

00:46:08.260 Um, so that's a kind of journalism.

00:46:10.220 And those are the kind of cowards and hypocrites you get over there at NPR.

00:46:15.880 So I was aware of this many years ago.

00:46:18.200 So, and here's the bottom line, 86, I believe of the people on their editorial staff are Democrats with zero Republicans.

00:46:28.660 But they always claim like, well, that doesn't taint us or that doesn't change the way.

00:46:34.940 I'll go, let's just say 86 of the people were vegan and there were zero meat eaters on that.

00:46:41.120 Would you be doing glowing reviews of barbecue joints?

00:46:44.220 Right, well said.

00:46:46.820 And on top of that, now they're saying they're blaming this guy saying, oh, the next time one of our people calls up a Republican congressman or something and tries to get an answer from them, they may well say, oh, I read these stories.

00:47:00.700 You guys aren't fair, so I'm not going to talk to you.

00:47:04.080 They're actually, that's their managing editor of standards and practices, trying to blame the likely reluctance of Republicans to deal with NPR after this on Yuri, as opposed to the actual content of what he's saying and the content that we hear from NPR all the time.

00:47:21.240 It's like NBC saying, oh, now Republicans aren't going to want to come on after what we did to Ronna McDaniel.

00:47:26.920 And that's somehow, I guess, Ronna McDaniel's fault.

00:47:29.560 No, you have yourself to blame for this, folks.

00:47:34.900 100%.

00:47:35.260 And look, it's all stuff we knew anyway, right?

00:47:40.520 I mean, isn't all this stuff just stuff we knew anyway?

00:47:44.000 Like, oh, Russian collusion.

00:47:46.020 Okay, there was nothing there.

00:47:47.660 Hunter Biden's laptop was fake.

00:47:49.960 Okay.

00:47:51.020 COVID came from a wet market.

00:47:53.520 Okay.

00:47:54.740 Ivermectin's horseface.

00:47:55.980 Okay.

00:47:56.780 We all knew it.

00:47:58.020 We all knew what they were doing.

00:48:00.540 They were lying.

00:48:01.560 And there's a little game I like to play, Megan, called stupid or liar.

00:48:05.480 So NPR got everything wrong.

00:48:07.520 They got the Russian collusion wrong.

00:48:09.320 They got everything COVID wrong.

00:48:10.620 They got Hunter Biden's life.

00:48:11.860 So are they stupid or are they lying?

00:48:14.200 Because either way, you don't have to listen to that.

00:48:16.380 I'm assuming they were lying or they weren't lying.

00:48:21.220 And they're just the worst news outlet ever because they got everything wrong.

00:48:25.220 They're lying.

00:48:25.940 I mean, in Yuri's piece, he talks about how they were openly saying, oh, I'm glad we're

00:48:30.700 not going to cover the Hunter Biden laptop thing.

00:48:32.520 That's good for Trump.

00:48:33.440 That could help Trump.

00:48:34.480 They're on a mission.

00:48:35.320 The piece is absolutely stunning because we did know, but it's very juicy to hear it from

00:48:39.880 an insider.

00:48:41.140 All right.

00:48:41.320 So much more to do.

00:48:42.160 Adam stays with us.

00:48:42.880 Quick break.

00:48:43.740 Don't go away.

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00:49:52.260 So we pulled the Greg Brady pictures and I can see it.

00:49:55.280 I got, I, I don't know.

00:49:57.140 They're, they're reeling me in.

00:49:58.720 Yeah, I see it.

00:50:00.540 It's like the, the healthy eyebrow maybe.

00:50:03.260 Is that what it is?

00:50:04.480 Yeah.

00:50:05.080 I think, I think it's the, I shouldn't have brought this up.

00:50:13.680 I lured you into it.

00:50:15.220 That's, you know, you could do worse.

00:50:16.880 He's a handsome guy.

00:50:18.140 Well liked.

00:50:19.280 He was one of the best Bradys.

00:50:20.340 Yeah, he's definitely top six Brady.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, totally.

00:50:26.600 Like, you don't want to look just like Jan Brady.

00:50:29.200 That's no, no offense to Jan, but like, that's not what you're going for.

00:50:32.920 Um, okay.

00:50:34.420 We've got to get into what's happening at UC Berkeley law school.

00:50:37.620 So this guy, Erwin Chemerinsky, who is the Dean of, again, this is the law school at Berkeley

00:50:42.680 is, I should say very well known in legal circles as a free speech expert.

00:50:48.400 Like, this is one of the main things he's known for.

00:50:51.720 And he was at Duke for a while.

00:50:53.440 He's been all over at these esteemed universities.

00:50:55.240 And now he's out at UC Berkeley law.

00:50:58.740 Now I need to lay the foundation for what we're about to see, because he's Jewish and he's

00:51:05.160 married to a UC Berkeley professor too.

00:51:07.540 Uh, she's, I think, labor law, school of law.

00:51:10.580 And, um, after 10, seven, he started to be subject to anti-Semitic attacks.

00:51:18.960 Um, there was one that showed him, um, okay.

00:51:24.120 It was, it was shared by the Berkeley law students for justice in Palestine, Instagram feed.

00:51:30.920 They shared just on April 1st, a caricature of him, Chemerinsky with a knife and fork and

00:51:38.360 the slogan, no dinner with Zionist Chem.

00:51:42.420 I think that's short for Chemerinsky while Gaza starves.

00:51:46.180 Look at him, like looking like, I guess the hungry Jew with his knife and his fork.

00:51:52.000 Then there was a student at a town hall who told Chemerinsky that the only way she would

00:51:58.540 feel safe would be for the school to quote, get rid of the Zionists.

00:52:03.320 Then someone at his school posted a picture of him on Instagram with a caption indicating

00:52:08.040 that he had taken an indefinite sabbatical to go join the Israeli defense forces.

00:52:12.500 Okay.

00:52:12.720 Not true, but you see where this is going.

00:52:15.620 And, um, so then notwithstanding all of that, he hosts a dinner and he invites to his dinner,

00:52:25.900 this woman from law students for justice in Palestine, which posted the Instagram thing

00:52:31.580 that I just told you about.

00:52:32.620 And her name is Mala Afane.

00:52:36.540 She shows up along with 59 others, 60 students who show up.

00:52:41.340 And I guess he does these little dinners in his backyard out there in Berkeley, you know,

00:52:45.660 making himself feel good about reaching out student outreach.

00:52:48.600 It's so lovely.

00:52:49.440 Well, Mala, Khafina, saw an opportunity, Adam, in the middle of the dinner, she whipped out

00:52:57.980 her traveling microphone and watch the following exchange.

00:53:03.260 Hello, everyone.

00:53:05.280 Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

00:53:08.740 Peace and blessings upon you all.

00:53:11.300 Tonight, we are gathered here in the name of commemorating our final few weeks as law students.

00:53:16.860 Tonight is also the last night of the holy month of Ramadan, where millions of Muslims

00:53:23.260 around the world fast, not only from material sustenance, fast, not only from material sustenance.

00:53:31.400 We have attorneys.

00:53:34.180 We have attorneys.

00:53:35.400 Okay, you don't have to get aggressive.

00:53:37.220 Excuse me.

00:53:37.680 I'm not touching you.

00:53:38.600 You are guests at our house.

00:53:41.000 This is our First Amendment right.

00:53:43.000 No, it is my house.

00:53:44.680 The National Lawyers Guild has informed this is our First Amendment, right?

00:53:48.460 This is my house.

00:53:49.460 And they are aware of this.

00:53:50.340 They're not wrong.

00:53:51.340 This is my house.

00:53:52.340 This is my house and you're no longer welcome here.

00:53:54.340 If you are urging, I can call the police.

00:53:55.340 You are not welcome.

00:53:56.340 Okay, you can call the police.

00:53:57.340 No, I don't precarge you.

00:53:58.340 You can call the police.

00:53:59.340 I'm getting a speech.

00:54:00.340 Please stop touching her.

00:54:02.340 Just please leave.

00:54:03.340 If you don't want to be here, leave my house.

00:54:06.340 On the blood of Palestinian people, the UC has committed sending $2 billion to weapons manufacturers.

00:54:11.680 I know, and we're just giving a speech about Ramadan and the holy month.

00:54:16.680 Please leave my house.

00:54:17.680 If you can grab me the mic back, I will leave.

00:54:19.680 Good.

00:54:20.680 Okay.

00:54:21.680 But will you please give me the mic?

00:54:22.680 Of course.

00:54:23.680 Please, will you give me the mic back?

00:54:24.680 Let me turn it off.

00:54:25.680 Please turn it off.

00:54:26.680 I'll turn it off.

00:54:27.680 You're not a guest.

00:54:28.680 You're a guest in my house.

00:54:29.680 This is so pretty.

00:54:30.680 I know, but 40,000 people are down.

00:54:31.680 Incredibly rude of you to abuse our hospitality in this way.

00:54:34.680 And join us in walking out.

00:54:35.680 There's a genocide going on.

00:54:36.680 Then don't come here.

00:54:37.680 You haven't done anything about divestment.

00:54:38.680 Please leave my house.

00:54:39.680 You haven't done anything about divestment.

00:54:40.680 I don't invest in anything.

00:54:41.680 I'm not gonna argue with you.

00:54:42.680 This is a party.

00:54:43.680 Anything.

00:54:44.680 On America's Islamic relations, SF will be hearing how you pulled a Muslim woman's scarf

00:54:51.680 during Ramadan.

00:54:52.680 Putting your hands on my hijab is unacceptable.

00:54:55.680 By grabbing my arm, you will hear from Kirasaf.

00:54:58.680 You will hear from Talibol.

00:55:00.680 And the fact that your wife was able to assault a Muslim Palestinian hijabi student is not great.

00:55:05.680 She grabbed her.

00:55:06.680 Please leave our house.

00:55:07.680 We are leaving.

00:55:08.680 Please leave our house now.

00:55:09.680 We are leaving.

00:55:11.680 Oh, my God.

00:55:14.680 I love it.

00:55:16.680 So, he's surprised that when he invited the head of the group that sent out the little

00:55:22.680 picture of him with the knife and fork, no dinner with Zionist Kim while Gaza starves,

00:55:28.680 she didn't behave well.

00:55:30.680 I'm shocked.

00:55:32.680 She traveled with her hijab in her cafe and busted out the Arabic with her alaykum salam

00:55:39.680 to kick things off.

00:55:42.680 And you see Erwin Chemerinsky and his wife melt down.

00:55:49.680 And notwithstanding, and we'll get to this, they're very lengthy social justice warrior

00:55:56.680 past.

00:55:57.680 Till this moment, they've been very, very open on the student protest, not on Israel, but

00:56:04.680 about, you know, campus activism and BLM.

00:56:09.680 And they, they were all in until this moment, which he accurately describes as very rude.

00:56:16.680 And then we've got to get to what this Mala Kafaya is now saying her revisionist history

00:56:24.680 about what we just watched with our eyes.

00:56:26.680 But what's your reaction to that clip?

00:56:28.680 Well, I would say to her, if you're anywhere in the Muslim world and you're a female and

00:56:36.680 you pull out a Mr. Microphone, you will be stoned to death.

00:56:40.680 So, number one, they never really do that part where they always talk about how great their

00:56:47.680 religion is.

00:56:48.680 But if you tried any of that in a predominantly Muslim country, you would be stoned to death.

00:56:55.680 So, how great is that religion?

00:56:58.680 I don't know.

00:56:59.680 Why don't you go to, head to Tehran and pull out Mr. Microphone and have a run.

00:57:06.680 Let's see how it goes.

00:57:07.680 Do an impromptu open mic in any majority Muslim country, and let's see how Mr. Microphone

00:57:15.680 works out.

00:57:16.680 Or you should call it Mrs. Microphone and you're getting extra rock to the head.

00:57:20.680 So, that's number one.

00:57:24.680 Your last words in the Mr. Microphone would be, please stop stoning me.

00:57:30.680 And then the mic would go to death.

00:57:33.680 So, that's ironic.

00:57:35.680 It's true.

00:57:36.680 I mean, over in Gaza, they're not so big on you whipping out your microphone and lecturing

00:57:40.680 them on women's rights or anybody's rights other than those of them.

00:57:43.680 Or gay rights or queer rights or whatever your pronouns should be.

00:57:51.680 So, that's number one.

00:57:52.680 Number two, but sort of bigger picture.

00:57:55.680 Okay, two things.

00:57:56.680 I love it when progressives get bitten by their own snake.

00:58:00.680 I love when their own people come after them.

00:58:02.680 That is the only satisfying part about this chapter we're living in now is watching these

00:58:09.680 older guys get chewed up and spit out by the groups that they essentially groomed and trained

00:58:17.680 to take their place.

00:58:19.680 They're attacking them.

00:58:20.680 I love it.

00:58:21.680 I love it when, you know, the editor for the New York Times who's been there for 30 years

00:58:26.680 gets fired because he let Tom Cotton do an op-ed by a bunch of 23-year-olds.

00:58:31.680 Yes.

00:58:32.680 That's poetic to me, number one.

00:58:35.680 Number two, her being assaulted.

00:58:38.680 All right, this thing where everything is assault.

00:58:41.680 You know, you have the president of the Female Soccer Spanish League now facing criminal charges

00:58:50.680 for kissing a player in celebration on the podium because she was assaulted by him in a

00:58:56.680 celebratory kiss which lasted less than a second.

00:58:59.680 All the assholes out there who decided to turn everything into assault are now going to sort of reap the

00:59:09.680 rewards of that, which is now all you believe every woman, everything's assault.

00:59:15.680 Anytime you touch somebody, it's an assault.

00:59:17.680 There's no difference between rape or touching someone on the shoulder.

00:59:20.680 Good.

00:59:21.680 Now everything's assault and now everyone's going to claim assault in every interaction now.

00:59:26.680 Mm hmm.

00:59:27.680 Oh, it's gotten even worse.

00:59:30.680 So this gal, the victim, the one who gets the invite despite her terrible tweets or Instagram

00:59:38.680 posts, she accepts the invite.

00:59:41.680 And this, by the way, I just want to spend a minute on that.

00:59:43.680 Why would he do that?

00:59:45.680 He's trying to show like, oh, I still love you.

00:59:49.680 You should love me.

00:59:50.680 Be nice to me.

00:59:52.680 He is not seeing the reality.

00:59:54.680 This group, and she's affiliated with CARE, Council on American Islamic Relations, which

00:59:59.680 is a nightmare too.

01:00:01.680 He's deluding himself.

01:00:03.680 They're against you, bud.

01:00:04.680 Okay?

01:00:05.680 They're against you.

01:00:06.680 Just as they're against most people on the right side of the aisle.

01:00:09.680 There's no brooking an agreement with this young woman or people in her palace or Students

01:00:15.680 for Justice in Palestine group.

01:00:17.680 As soon as they heard Chemerinsky, it was a done deal.

01:00:21.680 And so he still invites her into his home.

01:00:24.680 She accepts it.

01:00:25.680 And then she stands up and does the thing.

01:00:28.680 So now she's not only claiming assault.

01:00:30.680 She's taken it next level.

01:00:33.680 Here she is in a TikTok video going.

01:00:37.680 She's upping the ante.

01:00:39.680 Take a listen to her new account of what actually happened for the listening audience.

01:00:44.680 What she saw was Chemerinsky's wife, Fisk is her last name, reach over.

01:00:49.680 She, after telling her repeatedly to leave and her not leaving, which makes her a trespasser,

01:00:54.680 the wife puts her hand on Mala's shoulder and then tries to grab the microphone and gets

01:01:03.680 the microphone and they have a tug of war over the microphone.

01:01:06.680 So now listen to the revisionist history on what happened.

01:01:09.680 There is not an inappropriate time to talk about Palestine.

01:01:12.680 There is a genocide going on.

01:01:14.680 It is our collective responsibility to insert Palestine any and everywhere, whether it be

01:01:19.680 in the workspace or our schools or even dinners.

01:01:22.680 I said that and I started to talk about Ramadan when Professor Catherine Fisk, as you can tell

01:01:27.680 from the video, came from where she was sitting on the upper tier of the courtyard and came

01:01:32.680 down where I was standing on the steps and put her arms around me.

01:01:36.680 She put her arms around me, grasped at my hijab, grasped at my breasts inappropriately,

01:01:41.680 kept trying to grope my shirt, grabbed my phone and dragged me up the steps, grabbed my

01:01:45.680 microphone and dragged me up the steps and threatened to call the cops on a gathering of

01:01:49.680 majority black and brown students.

01:01:51.680 Professor Fisk did not assault me because I was talking about Palestine.

01:01:55.680 I didn't even get the chance to talk about Palestine.

01:01:57.680 She assaulted me because to her, a hijabi-wearing, kofia-repping Palestinian Muslim student that

01:02:03.680 felt comfortable to speak in Arabic was enough of a threat to her that I was justified to

01:02:10.680 be assaulted.

01:02:11.680 It was the classic thing that Palestinian lives are constructed to be seen as allowed to be

01:02:17.680 harmed, to be killed, and to be slaughtered while white ones are allowed to live.

01:02:22.680 Professor Fisk embodied the Islamophobia, the deep anti-Arab racism, and the deep anti-Palestinian sentiment

01:02:29.680 that the Zionist administrations are built on.

01:02:32.680 I have never in my life felt so traumatized and humiliated and been grabbed in that way in public.

01:02:44.680 To that I say, any lawyer can tell you what Professor Fisk did was clear assault and battery.

01:02:50.680 In fact, if I had chosen to act out, it would have been justified.

01:02:54.680 It would be my legal right to have done and acted out in self-defense.

01:02:58.680 But I knew that a white woman that was so perfect at acting like a victim would have

01:03:04.680 spinned the narrative to demonize me and point me as aggressive.

01:03:08.680 Oh, my God.

01:03:09.680 Oh, my God.

01:03:10.680 Wow.

01:03:11.680 We're going to have to spend the next hour on this.

01:03:14.680 There's a lot to come over.

01:03:15.680 I like that it took the turn for the sexual when she was, you know, groping her breasts.

01:03:21.680 She groped the breasts?

01:03:23.680 Really?

01:03:24.680 Yeah.

01:03:25.680 Ms. Fisk, who knew?

01:03:27.680 So, listen, let me add to that.

01:03:29.680 Let me, look, here it is.

01:03:30.680 Here it is.

01:03:31.680 Groping of the breast.

01:03:33.680 She's grabbing a boob there.

01:03:35.680 I don't see a boob.

01:03:36.680 I don't see a boob.

01:03:37.680 I see a microphone in front of a boob that she's got her hand on there.

01:03:42.680 But let me tell you, in case you were thinking about believing Mala Kafaya, let me give you

01:03:48.680 her written addendum to what happened.

01:03:51.680 There is a call to action.

01:03:53.680 She is behind on Instagram and she wants them fired.

01:03:59.680 Mala wants them fired for the crime of not wanting her to do this shit in their backyard.

01:04:05.680 She is also, of course, still demanding divestment from Israel.

01:04:10.680 But here is what the letter demands and says.

01:04:13.680 Dear UC Board of Regents, President Michael Drake and UC Berkeley leadership.

01:04:18.680 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:20.680 We're mad.

01:04:21.680 We're demanding the removal and accountability of Erwin Chemerinsky and Berkeley law professor

01:04:25.680 Catherine Fisk.

01:04:26.680 Listen to this, Adam.

01:04:28.680 Fisk placed the student's head in a choke hold and her hijab was tightened around her neck,

01:04:40.680 impacting her ability to breathe.

01:04:42.680 Can we please show it again?

01:04:44.680 Let's see the headlock.

01:04:45.680 Let's see the headlock.

01:04:46.680 Let's see the headlock.

01:04:48.680 Look at it.

01:04:49.680 It's a headlock with her hand on the shoulder.

01:04:54.680 That was it, I guess.

01:04:56.680 I guess that was the headlock.

01:04:57.680 We missed it when she placed the hand on the shoulder.

01:05:00.680 Now they get into the tug of war over the microphone.

01:05:03.680 And at no point is there anything resembling a headlock.

01:05:09.680 Continuously, Professor Fisk grabbed the clothes of the student and touched her breasts

01:05:14.680 and chest section inappropriately, twisting her shirt and her outerwear.

01:05:20.680 We demand accountability for the violence and trauma inflicted upon our peers.

01:05:26.680 Demand the resignation.

01:05:28.680 No, no professor has harmed, uh, that has harmed a student should be granted the privilege

01:05:33.680 of being allowed to teach, especially when Muslim and Palestinian students no longer feel

01:05:37.680 safe in their presence.

01:05:39.680 We demand complete punitive consequences for their assault and battery.

01:05:44.680 And then they say you've deliberately aligned yourself with violent systems of oppression,

01:05:50.680 racism, and white supremacy.

01:05:51.680 And the ongoing genocide of Palestinians in Gaza is no exception.

01:05:54.680 And they have a bunch of demands, including the inclusion of a Palestine studies program

01:05:58.680 aimed at exploring Palestinians history of resistance and struggle toward the right of return and

01:06:02.680 justice in a seller settler colonial context.

01:06:05.680 These people are insane, but let's just go back in that tick tock.

01:06:10.680 And here she's claiming groping of the breasts, inappropriate touching of the breasts and mid region

01:06:17.680 and chokehold, hijab tight.

01:06:21.680 And she's basically saying she tried to strangle me, impacted my ability to breathe.

01:06:25.680 She's what we used to call in the law, a fucking liar.

01:06:30.680 Hmm.

01:06:31.680 But is this so different than the first story we got into or the second story we got into about

01:06:39.680 sort of the race hustling Benjamin Crump, you know, mayor of Chicago, AP News, CNN.

01:06:50.680 Is this so different?

01:06:52.680 Like, it's exactly the same story.

01:06:55.680 It's a different group.

01:06:56.680 It's a different group that's oppressed.

01:06:58.680 It's more narrative.

01:07:00.680 But what is different about her account of this and the mayor's account of what happened

01:07:07.680 to that young black man who was shot by police officers?

01:07:11.680 It's the same thing.

01:07:12.680 It's a lie.

01:07:13.680 It's a hustle.

01:07:14.680 It's a victim mentality.

01:07:17.680 It's based on, and by the way, you're trying to get the professor and his wife fired or you're

01:07:23.680 trying to get cops fired or put in jail.

01:07:26.680 It's the same hustle.

01:07:27.680 It's the same thing.

01:07:28.680 It's a different group, but all the elements are exactly the same.

01:07:33.680 And thank God, in each instance, they were filming.

01:07:38.680 Because if you remove the video from both of those interactions, young black man and cops

01:07:45.680 or crazy Mrs. Microphone with the hijab, and we're just going her word versus the word of

01:07:53.680 of the professor, we're in a pickle as a society at this point.

01:07:58.680 This young woman is so far gone.

01:08:03.680 Like the number of things she raised, I kept notes just so we could talk about them.

01:08:07.680 You must insert Palestine everywhere.

01:08:09.680 There's no inappropriate time or place to discuss Palestine.

01:08:14.680 You could be at your friend's mom's funeral.

01:08:16.680 You will get up there in front of the dead body and you will make the case for genocide

01:08:22.680 in Gaza.

01:08:23.680 You got it?

01:08:24.680 That's number one.

01:08:25.680 Breasts grabbed a lie and an over-exaggeration, of course.

01:08:29.680 It was the hijab and my speaking Arabic that really upset Professor Fisk.

01:08:35.680 It wasn't the fact that I hijacked her nice event in her backyard to which she invited me

01:08:39.680 and I accepted.

01:08:40.680 And she gave me food.

01:08:41.680 She literally was catering to me.

01:08:43.680 But she hated me, you see.

01:08:46.680 And she hated my hijab, not my interruption.

01:08:49.680 Only whites' lives matter.

01:08:52.680 How many times have we heard that?

01:08:53.680 Only whites are allowed to live, she says there.

01:08:56.680 She's an Islamophobe.

01:08:58.680 She hates me because of these things.

01:09:01.680 And she's white.

01:09:02.680 Did I mention how white she is?

01:09:03.680 Catherine Fisk is white.

01:09:04.680 So is Erwin Chemerinsky.

01:09:06.680 This young lady, Mala, really wants us to remember that.

01:09:09.680 I'm traumatized.

01:09:11.680 I'm humiliated.

01:09:14.680 I almost died by my choke out.

01:09:17.680 I'm the new George Floyd, basically, is what she's trying to get to.

01:09:21.680 I'm just like him.

01:09:22.680 And I had a legal right to attack her when she placed hands on me.

01:09:29.680 And I would like you to know, Adam, because while this young lady appears to be just a law student, I actually graduated from law school and passed the bar.

01:09:38.680 In fact, passed the bar in three different states and went on to practice for a decade.

01:09:41.680 And I would like to let her know about a little thing that's called trespassing, because once someone tells you to leave their property, you have no right to remain there.

01:09:52.680 And they are allowed under the law to use a reasonable amount of force to eject you from the property if they perceive a threat, which this couple accurately did, given your bizarre lunatic like behavior.

01:10:08.680 She had every right to place her hands on you.

01:10:11.680 That is not assault or battery.

01:10:13.680 And your trespassing changed the game to begin with.

01:10:16.680 For the record, California penal code assault is an unlawful attempt, along with the present ability to cause violent injury to another.

01:10:26.680 No one thinks Catherine Fisk attempted to cause violent injury to you, madam battery unwarranted application of force to another.

01:10:36.680 Once again, it was not unwarranted.

01:10:38.680 You were in the wrong.

01:10:40.680 She's not playing the victim.

01:10:41.680 You you are the victim.

01:10:43.680 And this is a playbook.

01:10:46.680 It's a playbook where you are rude.

01:10:49.680 You're entitled.

01:10:51.680 You're coddled.

01:10:52.680 Then you become a fake victim when somebody calls you out on your nonsense and you engage in self aggrandizement.

01:11:00.680 Right.

01:11:01.680 Like, oh, I was so brave to do what I did.

01:11:04.680 But poor me.

01:11:05.680 They came for me.

01:11:06.680 And you add in some lies to try to ruin the the real victims life.

01:11:13.680 And now we're in the phase of trying to get the real victim fired, publicly shamed.

01:11:18.680 And the cherry on top of the sundae new courses devoted to the plight of the Palestinians at UC Berkeley.

01:11:26.680 This is it.

01:11:27.680 This is like pathological.

01:11:29.680 This this person.

01:11:32.680 Maybe she is going to pass the bar exam.

01:11:34.680 Maybe she's actually going to become a lawyer.

01:11:35.680 Maybe she'll work at care, which is the only place she belongs.

01:11:38.680 But they're a lot more just like her because at least 10 people in that one gathering alone walked out with her.

01:11:43.680 One of whom we heard on that tape who happened to be black.

01:11:46.680 And I don't think that's an accident because this whole thing has boiled down to black, white, brown, white.

01:11:52.680 Yes.

01:11:53.680 Well, as I like to say, all roads lead to narcissism.

01:11:57.680 So we're raising a bunch of crazed narcissists.

01:12:00.680 You can't do this unless you're an insane narcissist.

01:12:04.680 Stand up at some function.

01:12:06.680 It would have been unthinkable, especially at a professor's house when you were a student.

01:12:11.680 The dean.

01:12:13.680 One day.

01:12:14.680 Yes.

01:12:15.680 One day we will dedicate two hours to the self-esteem movement and how it's gone horribly, horribly wrong.

01:12:21.680 And this is the manifestation of that.

01:12:25.680 On the other hand, I still want that Mr. Microphone because I would keep that thing in my back pocket.

01:12:31.680 And any time I had a gripe, like if I was at a Chipotle and they charged me five bucks for guacamole,

01:12:38.680 I would just whip that thing out and hold court to everybody in that place.

01:12:43.680 You support genocide?

01:12:45.680 Yeah, I would I would talk about the genocide of Palestinians first and then I would get into the gouging of the guacamole.

01:12:52.680 Can you imagine?

01:12:53.680 I mean, this really would be the move.

01:12:56.680 This would be like the counter move.

01:12:58.680 Maybe maybe you walk around with your own Mr. Microphone.

01:13:01.680 And when she starts talking about that shit, you get into October 7th where you talk about like the the crazy radical Islamist attacks on American America.

01:13:11.680 Yeah.

01:13:12.680 It's all over.

01:13:13.680 What about Munich?

01:13:14.680 Munich.

01:13:15.680 1972.

01:13:16.680 Come on, bitch.

01:13:17.680 Keep it coming.

01:13:18.680 I got Mr. Microphone.

01:13:20.680 That that would be the real power move there.

01:13:25.680 If I were Catherine Fisk, I would sue her.

01:13:30.680 I would sue her for these lies that she's publicly telling about me, these defamatory statements.

01:13:37.680 They're obviously not true.

01:13:38.680 And they are being done with malice, even though Catherine's not a public figure.

01:13:42.680 So that wouldn't need to be proved.

01:13:44.680 And I think I'd go after her with both guns blazing.

01:13:46.680 But Catherine Fisk will not do it.

01:13:48.680 And neither will Erwin Chemerinsky.

01:13:50.680 They will not fight back by using the legal tools available to them, like going after her for trespass and for defamation.

01:13:57.680 Because they have been themselves woke warriors who, as you pointed out at the top, helped create this situation.

01:14:04.680 Erwin Chemerinsky caught on tape here in this clip that's resurfaced, talking about the hiring process of faculty at UC Berkeley.

01:14:15.680 And keep in mind, when you listen to this, it is illegal to use racial preferences in hiring.

01:14:23.680 People forget that.

01:14:24.680 But it is.

01:14:25.680 And he knows that because he's what again?

01:14:27.680 The dean of the law school.

01:14:29.680 Listen.

01:14:30.680 But if ever I'm deposed, I'm going to deny I said this to you.

01:14:34.680 When we do faculty hiring, we're quite conscious that diversity is important to us.

01:14:41.680 And we say diversity is important.

01:14:43.680 It's fine to say that.

01:14:44.680 But I'm very careful when we have a faculty appointments committee meeting.

01:14:48.680 Anytime somebody says, you know, we should really prefer this candidate or this candidate because this person would add diversity.

01:14:53.680 Don't say that.

01:14:54.680 Don't say that.

01:14:55.680 You can think it.

01:14:57.680 You can vote it.

01:14:58.680 But our discussions are not privileged.

01:15:01.680 So don't ever articulate that that's what you're doing.

01:15:04.680 So break the law, but be smart enough to stay quiet about it.

01:15:09.680 Got it.

01:15:10.680 That's from the dean.

01:15:11.680 He should be fired for that reason alone.

01:15:12.680 Here's the wife in an interview when she gets the job.

01:15:15.680 My whole family history is Berkeley.

01:15:18.680 I turned down Harvard and Yale and Stanford to come here.

01:15:21.680 I was thrilled.

01:15:22.680 I love the university and what it stands for.

01:15:24.680 The camp.

01:15:25.680 Now, that's the end of the quote.

01:15:26.680 The article goes on.

01:15:28.680 The campus is long tradition of activism was another lure to Professor Fisk.

01:15:33.680 As a student, Fisk and her peers organized the first Berkeley women's law journal, and they protested the tenure denial of two especially fabulous women professors, both of whom are now Emirata.

01:15:44.680 You have to, it's a quote, you have to mobilize students, staff, or faculty activism and use that energy to make a better place, she said, Adam.

01:15:56.680 Okay.

01:15:57.680 You're looking at it in the face, Catherine.

01:15:59.680 There's your student activism face to face.

01:16:03.680 Then finally, we've got one reason I came back as faculty to Berkeley is because of its longstanding commitment to scholarly rigor.

01:16:13.680 That's also policy driven to advance the cause of social justice.

01:16:19.680 They've been railing about BLM and not just George Floyd, Michael Brown, as recently as two years ago, who we all know was another guy who brought on his own death by going for and attempting to attack a cop.

01:16:35.680 So this is the world they've created.

01:16:38.680 And there it was in their own backyard.

01:16:40.680 So will they change?

01:16:41.680 You think they get it now?

01:16:42.680 No, I don't.

01:16:44.680 But it's not so unlike sanctuary cities or defund the police.

01:16:52.680 So the same Tencent head Yentas are screaming about defunding the police and then the cops pull back and then the criminals come in and then they get carjacked and they want to know where the cops are.

01:17:04.680 And now they think it's a bad idea.

01:17:06.680 And think about all the rhetoric about sanctuary cities.

01:17:10.680 Nobody's illegal.

01:17:11.680 Everyone's welcome.

01:17:12.680 Everyone has a seat at the table.

01:17:14.680 And then the buses start pulling up and the Guatemalans start climbing out of it and they start screaming, what are we supposed to do?

01:17:21.680 We can't accommodate these people.

01:17:23.680 We have our own citizens with their own problems.

01:17:26.680 They say one thing and are immediately attacked by like it turns on them just that fast.

01:17:35.680 So whether it's whatever this idiot saying about diversity or defund the police or sanctuary cities, it's all the same.

01:17:42.680 It's just I make a proclamation that makes me sound like a hero and then it blows up in my face shortly thereafter.

01:17:50.680 Mm hmm. I think that Berkeley Law School should do to this student what Vanderbilt did to those morons who stormed the chancellor's office and allegedly assaulted cops on on campus.

01:18:06.680 They should expel her.

01:18:07.680 She should be expelled not only for the breaking the law by trespassing on the dean's property, but for her obvious lies and vicious defamation of some of two people they claim to respect their dean and his wife.

01:18:23.680 There's one more clip from this young woman who gave an interview to Fox News once again exaggerating her alleged injuries.

01:18:31.680 Take a listen here.

01:18:33.680 I felt that this dinner was, you know, a kind of disgusting and extravagant and lavish display of wealth that was already being funneled using our tuition money for this genocide.

01:18:47.680 So that had always been the plan.

01:18:49.680 We had even done a criminal defense consult with the National Lawyers Guild, who, you know, pretty much thought this was a pretty low risk action.

01:18:57.680 She kept on grabbing inappropriately at my breasts and kept grabbing in my shirt area, trying to tug and pull.

01:19:04.680 I was in pain and I was scared.

01:19:08.680 She was in pain.

01:19:09.680 She was in pain and scared as she was about to become the next George Floyd.

01:19:14.680 I mean, they should expel these two.

01:19:16.680 This this.

01:19:17.680 Oh, sure.

01:19:18.680 Sure.

01:19:19.680 Yeah.

01:19:20.680 Well, not for them, but for those who come after that.

01:19:24.680 At some point, some message is going to need to be sent to the lunatics, which is you cannot take over the asylum.

01:19:33.680 Like she needs to be expelled because, you know, she she earned it.

01:19:40.680 She made her bed.

01:19:41.680 But it's for me, it's not so much for her.

01:19:43.680 It's for all those who will attempt the same thing in infinitum.

01:19:49.680 It's just going to keep it's just going to keep going.

01:19:51.680 And so somebody is going to need to be the adult in the room and send a message.

01:19:56.680 And yes, she needs to be expelled.

01:19:58.680 Hmm.

01:19:59.680 All right.

01:20:00.680 Last last one.

01:20:01.680 There's a big lawsuit happening over in Australia and it's important.

01:20:07.680 It has to do with what is a woman.

01:20:10.680 So there's this all female website and it's called Giggle and it's an app.

01:20:20.680 Exclusively for women and Australian businesswoman named Sal Grover set it up just for women.

01:20:27.680 Just for women in 2020 to find a roommate or organize social meetups.

01:20:33.680 Apparently, lesbians use it as a dating site.

01:20:36.680 But the point is, it's just for the ladies.

01:20:38.680 And it says that it says it's for females only.

01:20:41.680 Well, on cue, you know what happened.

01:20:45.680 A man pretending to be a woman decided to sign up and try to use it.

01:20:50.680 And apparently the website Giggle has biometric gender verification software.

01:20:56.680 And I'm telling you, men are going to have to start using the shit in bars that determines whether the person is in fact female.

01:21:02.680 Although I think maybe you just needed eyes to know this.

01:21:09.680 Yeah, Stevie Wonder could have figured out this is a dude.

01:21:14.680 I'm just going to say, I'm not sure the biometric detector was necessary.

01:21:20.680 And this fake woman, you can't make it up, is named Roxy Tickle.

01:21:26.680 His name is Roxy Tickle.

01:21:29.680 So Tickle is now suing Giggle over the fact that Tickle got bounced as a fake woman.

01:21:39.680 He when he got bounced to me, this looks like harassment.

01:21:44.680 He started calling and text and texting and messaging Sal Grover's personal mobile.

01:21:50.680 She blocked him.

01:21:52.680 Then he filed a complaint with their Human Rights Commission over there.

01:21:55.680 And then, of course, came a lawsuit.

01:21:58.680 And now they're having this hearing and they are awaiting a ruling.

01:22:02.680 It was a one day hearing that happened on.

01:22:04.680 Was it yesterday?

01:22:05.680 And he is going after her and he is demanding that he, because he is legally permitted to identify as a female, be allowed on the damn Giggle app.

01:22:18.680 And they have had to, she, Sal Grover, has had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on the definition of what is a woman.

01:22:28.680 Only at one point was a settlement offered by Roxy Tickle.

01:22:34.680 And it would have required a payment in addition to Sal Grover, the woman, attending a gender identity re-education camp of some sort and opening up the Giggle app to males.

01:22:49.680 She refused.

01:22:50.680 And now she's going through this big process.

01:22:53.680 And here's how the spectator describes the stakes.

01:22:56.680 If Roxy Tickle wins, it will establish that males have a legal right, not just to the female sex category, but to all female spaces, including hospital wards, sports facilities, domestic violence, refuges, rape crisis centers, and prisons across Australia.

01:23:16.680 So what do you think?

01:23:19.680 And do you think it's likely to go the right way over in Australia, which has gotten fairly woke?

01:23:27.680 Yeah, they're maybe ahead of Canada.

01:23:31.680 All right.

01:23:32.680 Well, this story is confusing because Sal is a female and Roxy is a two.

01:23:40.680 So it's going to be hard.

01:23:43.680 And it's true.

01:23:44.680 You got to hold on.

01:23:45.680 I but I don't know if you're like me, but my mind starts to swim with a lot of the transgender stuff, especially when you read it through like the L.A. Times, because it'll be a guy who goes into a Denny's bathroom and rapes a nine year old girl, except for the guy identifies as a female.

01:24:05.680 So it'll and her pronouns are they so to go like they she went into the bathroom and then they pulled out their phallus.

01:24:17.680 And then she proceeded to rape the female with her penis.

01:24:23.680 And then they and I'm like, OK, is this a gang rape?

01:24:26.680 Is this a chick?

01:24:27.680 Is this a dude?

01:24:28.680 I don't know what's going on anymore because you guys won't label anything anymore because you're you're worried about offending a phallic.

01:24:37.680 OK, fine.

01:24:39.680 So it all gets confusing because of the nomenclature.

01:24:44.680 Look, women and women's advocates and Madonna and all the other Tencent heads are the tip of the spear for all the you know.

01:24:55.680 You know, OK, there was a million women at a at a march when Trump got elected.

01:25:00.680 Where are they on this subject?

01:25:02.680 Where are they in women's sports being destroyed by men?

01:25:07.680 Where are the women's rights advocates when it comes to things like this being destroyed?

01:25:14.680 They're nowhere to be found because they're hypocrites and they're cowards.

01:25:19.680 But they should be the ones that are speaking out against this stuff, not you or whoever's on Fox network.

01:25:29.680 They should be the tip of the spear for pushing back against these things.

01:25:35.680 Unfortunately, circling back to the Berkeley story, they created this environment and now they're being eaten up by this environment.

01:25:45.680 They were the ones that's that created this group and that group and this group only in black graduations and black dorms and, you know, LGBT day and month and all this stuff.

01:26:00.680 They're the ones who tried to segregate everybody and now they're being infiltrated by their own.

01:26:07.680 And so ultimately they deserve it.

01:26:10.680 But they being women's advocates should be the ones that are speaking out.

01:26:16.680 And when they do, like J.K. Rowling's, they get shouted down.

01:26:21.680 So, oh, yeah, ladies, if you claim to love ladies, then speak up on behalf of ladies, not crazy men who are pretending to be ladies.

01:26:31.680 Or your daughter's going to walk into a restroom in Australia.

01:26:36.680 But it's happening here, of course, all the time, too.

01:26:39.680 And see this guy posing as a woman.

01:26:42.680 Here he is in SOT 19.

01:26:43.680 Roxy, you're a transgender woman from regional New South Wales.

01:26:49.680 You played hockey for 10 years from when you were 16 years old, but you stopped when you were 26.

01:26:56.680 Why?

01:26:57.680 Something didn't feel quite right.

01:26:59.680 I really didn't like being in the male changing rooms, though I felt really uncomfortable there.

01:27:07.680 I didn't like the smells or the sounds.

01:27:12.680 Look at the reaction shots of the other women, the actual women in that audience, Adam.

01:27:18.680 Talk about side-eye.

01:27:20.680 Yeah, well, Roxy's nuts.

01:27:25.680 And everyone knows it.

01:27:27.680 And we can't say anything because we have to pretend like this is a real movement.

01:27:31.680 And these people aren't batshit crazy.

01:27:34.680 I mean, a significant number of these people are just people that are in mental anguish.

01:27:41.680 Pure and simple.

01:27:42.680 And we treat it like it's some sort of blood-borne disease or something.

01:27:47.680 Like, I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body.

01:27:50.680 No, you're not.

01:27:51.680 You're a victim, and now you need therapy.

01:27:54.680 That's it.

01:27:55.680 Good luck.

01:27:56.680 The overwhelming majority of these people are people that need help, not people that are spearheading a movement because this is an actual biological event that is going on with them.

01:28:09.680 But that is the narrative that we created.

01:28:13.680 So when nut jobs come along, we cannot offer any counterargument to that because we already signed off on the insane premise that this was an actual thing like cancer or COPD or hepatitis B.

01:28:30.680 We just signed off on it.

01:28:32.680 The medical community got on board because they're cowards as well.

01:28:35.680 Academia got on board with it.

01:28:37.680 All the progressive politicians got on board with it.

01:28:40.680 And now when nut jobs come along, we all have to pretend like it's real.

01:28:45.680 To your point, this is why Kelly J. Keene, who's a very strong and wonderful, brilliant activist on this on the right side, she says this is one of the many reasons why you can't engage in the pronoun game.

01:28:58.680 Because how do you make the argument she can't come into the women's locker room?

01:29:03.680 She can't join giggle.

01:29:05.680 She can't play female sports that you've already lost, you know, before you've even gotten into the substance of it.

01:29:12.680 And it's such a good point.

01:29:13.680 And it's one of the things that changed my own views on the pronouns.

01:29:17.680 Here is Sal Grover, the woman who started giggle.

01:29:22.680 Reasons for female only spaces have not gone away.

01:29:26.680 So we should not be in a position to have to justify them.

01:29:29.680 I'm sick of it when people go, but why do you need a female only space?

01:29:32.680 Because we want them.

01:29:33.680 That's enough for me.

01:29:35.680 We do not have to relive the trauma we have gone through at the hands of men every time we want to defend why we want to be away from them occasionally.

01:29:43.680 Just have a refuge away from you, whether it's online or in real life.

01:29:46.680 I need the finances. I need the help.

01:29:50.680 The only way I can repay you other than just my endless gratitude is let's go and get our rights back.

01:29:56.680 Let's just use it, get our rights back and end this madness so we can all move on with our lives.

01:30:02.680 Well said.

01:30:03.680 It's true.

01:30:04.680 Because we want it.

01:30:05.680 Shut up.

01:30:06.680 Get out.

01:30:07.680 If you don't like the men's room because it smells, then don't go.

01:30:10.680 Figure something out.

01:30:11.680 It's not my problem.

01:30:13.680 Yeah, no, I completely concur.

01:30:16.680 And we've started to sort of bend society because we want if one person feels uncomfortable or one person.

01:30:24.680 It's the same way I feel about ordering lunch when you're on set of a movie or TV show.

01:30:30.680 Get the beef.

01:30:31.680 Get the brisket.

01:30:32.680 Get the turkey.

01:30:33.680 And then someone goes, well, the crazy hairdresser lady's vegan.

01:30:37.680 What do we do about her?

01:30:39.680 My answer is tough shit.

01:30:40.680 Pack a lunch, bitch.

01:30:41.680 That's your problem.

01:30:42.680 Yes.

01:30:43.680 That's right.

01:30:44.680 That's not my problem.

01:30:46.680 Yes, this is the problem.

01:30:47.680 Well, I'm hopefully going to be speaking with Sal.

01:30:50.680 I really want to talk to her because this is a landmark case in Australia.

01:30:53.680 And, you know, we're going through the same thing here.

01:30:55.680 By the way, if you want to help her on this whole fight, there's a Giggle crowdfunding website here.

01:31:02.680 I'm trying to pull it up.

01:31:03.680 It's giggle crowdfund.com.

01:31:06.680 Join this landmark fight to reclaim sex based rights and protections for all women and girls.

01:31:12.680 She's already had to pay, I think, at least half a million dollars in this whole just just the you know, the lawsuit is the punishment already.

01:31:19.680 Right. Even if they don't.

01:31:20.680 They don't.

01:31:21.680 This wasn't like Google.

01:31:22.680 This is just a startup app where women could go.

01:31:25.680 So she's not a rich person.

01:31:26.680 She needs some help.

01:31:27.680 So it's giggle crowdfund.com.

01:31:29.680 All right.

01:31:30.680 Now.

01:31:31.680 Yeah.

01:31:32.680 At a crowdfunding site called tickle my rocks dot com.

01:31:38.680 So you could go there and raise some money for his legal defense.

01:31:43.680 He doesn't have any rocks anymore.

01:31:46.680 He went to full Magilla.

01:31:48.680 No rocks.

01:31:49.680 Got news.

01:31:50.680 We're sorry.

01:31:51.680 Roxy doesn't make you doesn't make you a woman.

01:31:54.680 So we're we're stars now.

01:31:57.680 I mean, you're making a star out of me, Adam Carolla, because we are going to be starring along with an amazing, amazing cast in this series that's coming out in The Daily Wire called Mr.

01:32:12.680 Burcham, and it's based on this shop teacher that Adam has created in his own mind.

01:32:18.680 He's been doing this bit for years and now his life comes to the screen in Mr.

01:32:22.680 Burcham.

01:32:23.680 I'm going to show them the trailer and then you and I can talk about it.

01:32:26.680 Here it is.

01:32:27.680 All right.

01:32:28.680 Tell me what you need.

01:32:29.680 Jumping in the first one.

01:32:30.680 Rolling.

01:32:31.680 Speed.

01:32:32.680 Action.

01:32:33.680 Sawbuck's looking a little chubby wubby.

01:32:35.680 So I bought him some new food.

01:32:37.680 It's organic and vegan.

01:32:39.680 Dogs are supposed to eat meat.

01:32:41.680 They're descendants of wolves.

01:32:42.680 You ever see a vegan wolf on the Nature Channel?

01:32:45.680 I'm a vegan.

01:32:47.680 Coffee is for closers, ladies.

01:32:51.680 Listen up.

01:32:52.680 Hey, don't make this a prison hug.

01:32:53.680 Don't do anything stupid, earlier than last year.

01:32:56.680 I'm a heteronormative, cisgendered, white male.

01:32:59.680 For which I apologize.

01:33:01.680 I'm black and that used to be enough, but I'm also bilingual and I'm non-binary.

01:33:06.680 We're the army!

01:33:07.680 We drink more before 9 a.m. than you navy pukes do all day.

01:33:11.680 He rubbed all the fur off his emotional support ferret.

01:33:14.680 The damn thing look like a four-legged penis!

01:33:17.680 Charity and work.

01:33:23.680 Two words that should never go together.

01:33:25.680 Like women and opinions.

01:33:27.680 I want a burly man.

01:33:28.680 They're salty and make me dizzy.

01:33:30.680 Sorry, just need to find a thingy to fix my gaming chair.

01:33:33.680 When I was on the construction site, my chair was a five-gallon bucket.

01:33:38.680 It was also my toilet.

01:33:40.680 This is going to be so fun.

01:33:45.680 You got to subscribe to The Daily Wire to actually watch it.

01:33:47.680 People will love it coming out soon.

01:33:49.680 But are you excited about this?

01:33:51.680 Because this is like so many big stars there who came together to make this thing real.

01:33:56.680 Yeah, this thing's about 30 years in the making.

01:34:02.680 I started my radio career by creating this character called Mr. Burcham so many years ago.

01:34:10.680 I was teaching boxing and I did a morning stunt with Jimmy Kimmel where he was going to box Michael the Maintenance Man.

01:34:19.680 And it was one of those morning show stunt things.

01:34:22.680 And then, you know, Jimmy and I became friends and I told him I wanted to get in a radio and he told me I had to come up with a character.

01:34:29.680 So I invented this character, which is amalgamation of all the shop teachers I had in junior high who hated the kids and who love woodworking.

01:34:40.680 They love metalworking.

01:34:41.680 They love the idea of shop class.

01:34:43.680 They just didn't like the idea of kids being in their shop class.

01:34:47.680 So I created this character, became popular, and then it just kind of floated around.

01:34:53.680 And we did the pilot for Fox about 11 or 12 years ago, but it was before its time, I'll say about 11 or 12 years ago.

01:35:05.680 And Fox decided to focus on Bob's Burgers and whatever other crap they were trying to put out.

01:35:11.680 But at some point it found a home at Daily Wire, which I'm elated about because it's really the first project I ever did in show business.

01:35:23.680 What do you mean? You did No Safe Space? You've been a movie star.

01:35:28.680 Yeah, I'm saying the first thing I ever did was Mr. Burcham.

01:35:34.680 Oh, I see. This project was the first. I got it. I got it. I got it.

01:35:38.680 Well, you made me join the reunion in order to participate in this.

01:35:42.680 So I'm like a real, I feel like Norma Rae now, Adam, thanks to you.

01:35:46.680 Well, maybe I shouldn't be saying this, but you know, I figured if I can get you to be my animated wife, that's one step closer to reality.

01:35:58.680 Are we going to, are we going to have any like bedroom scenes, our characters? Should I be worried?

01:36:04.680 I'm working on some right now. I've been, I've been working the beats out my head, but I'm going to put them down on paper real soon.

01:36:13.680 And yeah. And the thing about animation is they can't just draw it out of whole cloth.

01:36:19.680 They have to physically witness you. So just be prepared. We'll be wearing body suits.

01:36:25.680 It's going to be tasteful. It'll be classy.

01:36:28.680 Now there's the tease. Adam Carolla, thank you so much. And go check out more from Adam at AdamCarolla.com.

01:36:36.680 What a, what a fun way to end the week.

01:36:38.680 On Monday, Alan Dershowitz and Arthur Idalla will be here with all things Trump as that trial gets underway.

01:36:43.680 Have a great weekend, everyone.

01:36:47.680 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:36:58.680 Thanks for listening.

The Megyn Kelly Show - April 12, 2024

Bizarre Pro-O.J. Simpson Spin, Media Stupidity or Lies, and Woke Eating Their Own, with Adam Carolla ｜ Ep. 765

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