The Megyn Kelly Show - Blake Lively Settlement Revealed and Damaging Witness Testimony, with Kjersti Flaa - ＂In The Well＂ with Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy

00:00:00.000 welcome to in the well i'm matt murphy former homicide prosecutor and author i'm joined by my

00:00:10.400 co-host and friend mark garagos criminal defense attorney to the stars mark i'm back from vacation

00:00:16.480 last saw you in crime con in vegas uh give me a breakdown i was off the grid on this die boat

00:00:23.280 give me a breakdown on what's going on in this crazy world well i'll tell you i don't know

00:00:28.000 actually where to begin you were gone and uh we would have had a spirited discussion last week

00:00:35.540 about carmelo anthony and i'm not talking about the knicks or the uh the basketball player but a

00:00:43.220 murder trial down in texas and my rather unique take on it i guess unique in in some circles

00:00:51.220 You've been on vacation.

00:00:53.280 I hope it was productive.

00:00:56.840 I brought photos.

00:00:58.200 Okay, there I am.

00:00:58.900 That's cave diving right after that disaster in Malaysia or in the Maldives, which was horrible.

00:01:04.740 But they took us right to some caves.

00:01:06.700 I got set up with these on my boat.

00:01:10.040 Three different instructors were on vacation, and they were also professional photographers.

00:01:14.280 So every 30 seconds, I'm handing my GoPro to them.

00:01:17.860 So that's me.

00:01:18.500 photo they took was like Ansel Adams, turtles everywhere. So I went to a place called Palau,

00:01:26.240 which was one of the, there's a battle in World War II, the Battle of Peleliu, which was one of

00:01:34.580 the bloodiest battles in all of World War II. And it was this bizarre contrast where some of those

00:01:41.280 beautiful reefs, the coral is perfect. They banned shark fishing a few years ago, so everything's

00:01:46.360 just teeming and then you'll be you'll be swimming along and you look down there'll be an artillery

00:01:51.480 shell in the coral it's just this just crazy contrast and um you know i'm on a dive boat with

00:01:58.000 a bunch of very happy people um see if you guys can throw up the next one i've been i've been

00:02:04.740 wanting to show mark this since i got back so oh yeah here's marking well you recognize that guy

00:02:11.180 mark that's uh that's from crime con i love what a what a what a blast that was right um

00:02:18.020 crime con is really nice people for people who haven't been there before that was my second one

00:02:23.380 it is quite an event and quite a happening i'll tell you yeah everybody's uh everybody's so

00:02:30.560 they're into it and it's fun and the energy is good and here is the entire mk mk true crime

00:02:37.000 crew, uh, sans Marduk areas. I don't know why you couldn't, you couldn't make it over, uh,

00:02:42.540 something stopped you from coming, but that's, we got the whole, the whole group there. That's

00:02:47.560 at a place called the Poodle Room in Vegas. And this is sort of funny. So the, that is a, that is

00:02:53.060 a group of attorneys and rule followers. And of course, some of our, our fabulous producers here

00:02:59.060 on the show. And we went in there and they put, it's one of those places they put stickers on

00:03:04.860 cell phone marks so you can't take photos and I got like I think I got photos I don't want to rat

00:03:09.840 anybody I would get anybody in trouble I think I got photos from the inside from everybody's phone

00:03:14.540 yeah yeah exactly I elected prosecutors and uh and everybody is like exchanging photos from the

00:03:21.360 inside after we left but um I I am so I feel so fortunate to be with such an awesome group

00:03:28.480 you know and um I feel like I got a new group of friends that we got a new group of friends

00:03:33.640 with these people like such a great great bunch and they're fun it's a great group from all over

00:03:39.900 the country i mean you've got ashley and phil down in georgia you've got uh johnna you've got

00:03:45.760 uh uh the the you are down well you're now down in the south bay i toggle back and forth

00:03:52.840 between new york you got eyeglash down in florida it's quite a it's quite a crew

00:03:59.560 Yeah. So anyway, we went from CrimeCon to the...

00:04:04.140 We got Aaron Berg down in Florida as well.

00:04:08.320 Yeah. He did 12 years as the elected state's attorney for Palm Beach.

00:04:14.980 And it's interesting the way they do it in Florida, because here it's one DAA per county.

00:04:21.060 And down there, they put a whole bunch of counties together and they do districts.

00:04:26.020 So I just gave a training slash presentation to the 4th Judicial District of Florida.

00:04:33.040 So it includes like three or four different counties, and it's based in Jacksonville.

00:04:37.620 It couldn't have been nicer, but Dave was Palm Beach, which is where it was after him, I think.

00:04:44.200 But it was where a lot of that Epstein stuff happened.

00:04:48.220 So the real deal, and nicest guy in the world.

00:04:52.060 And kind of a breeding ground for legal commentators.

00:04:56.560 Stacey Honowitz, you've got Dave Ehrenberg, you've got, I guess, South Beach is where

00:05:03.180 you've got Jose Baez and Mark O'Mara up in Orlando.

00:05:07.920 They've got, Florida's fairly, Roy Black and the late, great Roy Black.

00:05:14.100 You've got some talent there.

00:05:16.300 I know that Texas always tries to say they've got the greatest criminal defense lawyers.

00:05:21.720 I know Dan Codgill always says that, but no less than John Quinn has remarked, you know, of Quinn Emanuel, who just stepped down as the chair.

00:05:33.880 He and I years ago, we decided amongst ourselves, our committee of two, that the most hotly contested legal market in the country is Los Angeles.

00:05:44.320 So that's both John and I have said that.

00:05:47.680 i think to be i think to get good you need a good supply of weird right if you're really if

00:05:55.980 you're in criminal stuff the weirder the cases and the and the more of them you do uh i think

00:06:02.060 gives you the best possible pace to sort of grow whatever talents you've got and god knows florida

00:06:07.360 has plenty of that but i don't know they always hear about florida man i i would i would stat

00:06:13.100 California, against any of that.

00:06:15.480 Yeah, it's become kind of a meme, hasn't it?

00:06:17.760 You know, where did that take place?

00:06:19.600 Florida.

00:06:20.160 But I still think the most competitive legal environment is LA.

00:06:25.800 Next, entertainment journalist and multimedia producer Shasti Fla joins us to discuss the

00:06:31.760 latest in the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni saga.

00:06:34.920 And I got a few extra questions for her, too.

00:06:37.240 So I'm looking forward to this.

00:06:38.640 Stay tuned.

00:06:43.100 welcome back to in the well and i you know for those of you don't know matt not only will define

00:07:00.660 in the well for you he also and talk about spearing litigants he also spears fish for a living or on

00:07:07.060 his off case. And joining us right now is entertainment journalist, multimedia producer,

00:07:13.800 Shasti Flaw. Shasti has been covering what else? The Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni legal saga closely

00:07:23.160 and personally been involved in the case. She was subpoenaed by Blake Lively back last year,

00:07:29.120 was even set to testify against Blake for Justin's side. 1.00

00:07:34.540 Welcome, Shosti, to In the Well.

00:07:37.780 Thank you so much.

00:07:38.940 It's such an honor to be here.

00:07:40.100 You guys are legends.

00:07:41.240 So, yes, thank you for inviting me.

00:07:44.440 Shosti, I have a question for you, because I have said that you,

00:07:49.220 I assume you know what the Streisand effect is,

00:07:52.200 where you end up starting a legal battle in order to vindicate your rights,

00:07:58.320 and you end up magnifying your own issues a hundredfold.

00:08:02.480 Blake Lively has now taken that to the next level on steroids. 0.97

00:08:06.520 Do you think subpoenaing you may have been one of the three dumbest things in this case? 0.99

00:08:13.020 Yeah, there's so many dumb things to choose from. 0.98

00:08:15.700 But I think that's definitely up there. 0.93

00:08:18.720 I mean, yeah, I mean, when you heard about that as a lawyer, I mean, yeah.

00:08:24.540 And, you know, I'm European.

00:08:26.360 We don't do that kind of stuff.

00:08:28.320 in in europe they don't even know what that is so i was really surprised and of course we didn't

00:08:34.180 even realize that we were subpoenaed because they didn't tell us so a lot of people were

00:08:40.180 subpoenaed without even knowing about it so it's the craziest uh story and um yeah so i think 0.94

00:08:48.520 definitely it's up on the top three dumbest things that she did i'll tell you one dumb thing that i 0.97

00:08:56.400 think happened today. I don't know if we have, you know, in the federal courts, you've probably 0.96

00:09:00.540 seen it, Shoste, they have PACER, which is the fancy legal term for the docket sheet. And so

00:09:07.480 there's an entry today where Blake Lively's lawyers have come in and as they always do,

00:09:12.520 they always overshoot what they should ask for. They cannot, they are almost constitutionally

00:09:18.160 incapable of reading the room. And they asked for more, and the judge ended up now basically

00:09:26.640 bench slapping them and telling them, now you're limited to 10 pages, single space,

00:09:32.340 and I don't want to hear any more from you. Where they didn't have a limitation to begin with,

00:09:38.300 they went overboard once again today, and Judge Lyman gave them what Judge Lyman does best is,

00:09:44.340 You obviously don't know how to play in the sandbox. I'm going to teach you. It's just astonishing to me the lack of legal acumen in this case.

00:09:55.800 For any of our audience that isn't familiar with it, you did a very now famous interview with Parker Posey and Blake Lively from 2016 regarding a movie called Cafe Society that was made by Woody Allen.

00:10:10.740 And you had the temerity as an entertainment journalist to ask the question, what was it like to wear the costumes?

00:10:17.160 something completely and it was set in the 1930s and it was apparently outrageously offensive and

00:10:24.240 the two of them just began talking to each other it's it's bizarre I've watched that interview

00:10:29.780 multiple times and one of the questions I had for you kind of beyond the Blake Lively Justin

00:10:35.540 Baldoni saga is just for for anybody who's watching this you're professional you've got these two

00:10:41.280 really famous movie stars. Um, I know you've interviewed over, I think 450 people. I watched

00:10:47.140 a bunch of those two shots. You just let, you know, I loved your interview with Henry Winkler

00:10:51.040 and even Jennifer Aniston. Um, I kind of went down the rabbit hole on this, but, um, but what

00:10:57.640 is that like? We've all been in a situation where, um, we're kind of getting, um, almost bullied.

00:11:05.860 And what was that like for you?

00:11:08.160 You're a professional, but they really,

00:11:10.260 they just began kind of interviewing each other.

00:11:12.900 Give it a look.

00:11:14.140 First of all, congrats on your little bump.

00:11:17.120 Congrats on your little bump.

00:11:19.140 What about my bump? 0.79

00:11:22.500 You've got two nice ones.

00:11:24.740 Are these, they are kind of bumps, aren't they?

00:11:27.720 No, not bumps.

00:11:29.480 The lovely lady lumps. 1.00

00:11:30.640 Check it out.

00:11:31.600 Thank you.

00:11:32.240 Thank you.

00:11:33.000 You like the movie?

00:11:34.140 Are you a Woody Allen fan?

00:11:35.240 I love most of his movies, and this one was so, like, visually amazing.

00:11:39.640 Yeah, it's gorgeous.

00:11:40.820 Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you...

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:44.820 Yeah.

00:11:45.120 And, you know, working in digital...

00:11:46.260 Everyone wants to talk about the clothes,

00:11:47.320 but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes.

00:11:50.240 I would.

00:11:51.060 I love Jesse's suits and how he...

00:11:53.820 That's what I'm saying.

00:11:54.720 His wardrobe was beautiful.

00:11:56.240 Oh, I know.

00:11:56.700 Corey's wardrobe was, of course, those high-waisted pants.

00:12:00.120 He's so great.

00:12:00.740 I would wish men wore high-waisted pants like that still.

00:12:04.180 Me too.

00:12:04.480 The father with his tank top in it.

00:12:07.200 Oh, it's so good.

00:12:08.320 It's just like that.

00:12:09.220 Did you catch the tablecloth on the light in the Italian restaurant when they eat spaghetti?

00:12:14.460 I thought you really maintained your composure remarkably well.

00:12:18.260 And I think this applies to so many different areas in life, whether it's a job interview, whether it's a work meeting.

00:12:25.560 Tell us what was that like when all of a sudden they're turning on you?

00:12:30.040 The expression on your face was, I mean, you could write a book about it, but share that with us if you don't mind.

00:12:39.400 Oh, my gosh.

00:12:40.600 So, of course, it started off with me saying congrats on your little bump.

00:12:44.460 And I think a little bump now has been come.

00:12:46.840 Like, it's been mentioned so many times in her legal filings as well.

00:12:51.400 And that it started like that.

00:12:53.860 And I was like, OK, she threw it back at me.

00:12:57.600 And I was like, well, what happened?

00:12:59.680 Is this her kind of sense of humor? But then after that, when I asked about the costumes, at first I was like, are they joking now? Oh, like, is this really happening? You know, I think there was so many emotions going through my head at the time. It's been a while. I mean, it's 2016, as you said, so it's 10 years ago now.

00:13:22.000 But I do remember the feeling just sitting there at first being really like, I don't know, I just felt like I lost all my confidence.

00:13:32.140 And then I started feeling a bit angry, annoyed.

00:13:35.540 And then I was like, should I just leave?

00:13:36.960 Should I leave?

00:13:37.600 Should I not leave?

00:13:38.660 And now there were so many emotions going through my head.

00:13:41.480 And when I left the room, they actually cut off my interview early as well.

00:13:45.040 I was supposed to be there.

00:13:46.340 I had a double slot.

00:13:48.440 I was doing this interview for Norwegian television and German television.

00:13:52.000 But they cut it off short because I feel like they just thought, OK, this is not the best interview, so maybe we'll just throw these journalists out of the room.

00:14:02.220 So when I left, I just, I don't know, I just felt really disrespected, you know.

00:14:10.140 And then you start going in yourself thinking like, what did I do?

00:14:14.300 What did I do to provoke that kind of behavior?

00:14:17.820 So, yeah, there was so many emotions.

00:14:20.020 And I didn't realize until after I watched it.

00:14:23.160 I don't know if you noticed, but Parker Posey was like rolling her eyes when I left the room.

00:14:28.440 And Matt noticed.

00:14:29.460 Trust me, Matt noticed.

00:14:31.660 Yeah.

00:14:32.520 So I'm glad I didn't see that.

00:14:34.820 I think you felt disrespected.

00:14:36.180 Yeah, you say you felt disrespected.

00:14:37.840 It's because from any objective viewpoint, it was, I can't remember an interview that was less respectful than that.

00:14:44.520 And I don't know if that's because you're, you're European and you weren't from, you know, uh, variety or, um, TMZ or, or something that they immediately recognized, but you've had, I mean, you've had over a hundred million hits on your YouTube channel.

00:14:59.640 You, you are kind of a gateway to, um, I guess it's secondary, but the Norwegian people in Norway, everybody speaks English, right?

00:15:07.620 I, or it's very common at least. And I don't know if they just kind of small time to you because

00:15:13.300 they didn't, they didn't recognize you right away, perhaps, or I, I don't know how to interpret it,

00:15:18.580 but it was, she did roll her eyes. Another thing I noticed and, and tell me if I'm totally wrong

00:15:22.700 here, but it seemed like, so your, your face was your, the expression was professional,

00:15:28.200 but you can tell, and you can also tell as time went on, you can almost, almost read all that,

00:15:33.460 but you were very well composed. But I noticed your fingers, you appeared to be, it was like a

00:15:39.900 poker tell. You were almost digging your thumbs into your fingers. And I do stuff like that,

00:15:45.200 you know, in front of juries when I'm like, I'm either trying not to laugh at something or I'm

00:15:50.720 getting really angry and I'm trying not to show it. Am I right on that? Is that something you do

00:15:55.180 all the time? Yes, absolutely. That's a very observant thing actually. I do always do that

00:16:03.040 when i do interviews i do it to remember questions it's like a thing that i do and all also if i if

00:16:09.640 i start to lose like my focus i will do it as well so it's a thing that i know i consciously do

00:16:16.180 but i noticed that and someone there was like a body language expert that did a video about it

00:16:21.920 and he was talking a lot about how i was doing this so yeah so i did i did do that um well tell

00:16:30.580 a little bit why what were they going to have you testify to if you know i don't exactly know but

00:16:39.260 my what i think i did speak a little bit to brian friedman about this but um i think it's you know

00:16:46.900 because i had all the analytics to my video so i could go into youtube and actually see what

00:16:53.620 happened to it when it went viral and if anyone was pushing my video i would see that they were

00:17:00.380 like the the traffic wasn't organic you know there would be spikes there would be something

00:17:06.740 telling that this video didn't go viral by itself or i could also see if someone paid ads on it and

00:17:13.340 i think that's the only way you can really push a video unless you're running an underground

00:17:18.380 untraceable smear campaign but i so i could testify to what happened to my video and as i told brian

00:17:26.360 Freeman at the time, you know, I received so many DMs from people, like hundreds a day for a long

00:17:33.840 time after I published that video. People saying, you know, I'm so glad that you show this. I'm so

00:17:38.560 glad that we know now who Blake Lively really is. And I can relate to the situation. I've been

00:17:45.140 bullied and I felt exactly like I could see that you felt. So, you know, all these things, those

00:17:50.080 we those things wouldn't happen unless that video went viral you know organically unless they think

00:17:56.940 they're bots the ones that wrote me emails and dms but her theories and here's one of the experts

00:18:04.400 i remember said that the reason how they could show that it actually was not organic was that

00:18:10.760 there were so many likes on the top comment on the video he did like this long report on how

00:18:16.580 a video can go viral because someone likes a top comment. It's so dumb. It's like people 0.99

00:18:24.360 like a top comment sometimes because they don't want to write their own comment, because sometimes

00:18:29.680 there's a lot of comments on a video and they think, you know, it's going to disappear anyway.

00:18:33.220 I'm just going to agree with this person who says that she was a bully and a mean girl in this

00:18:37.460 interview. And when you talk about a conversation with Brian Freeman, that's long after you

00:18:41.480 shared it publicly um right this was way before the lawsuit oh of course right yeah um years

00:18:49.180 before i guess years before when you posted it no so i posted no so i posted it in 2024

00:18:56.600 after i'd seen the movie so it was filmed in 2016 yeah but i never published it on youtube until

00:19:04.600 2024 so you were back we're like that so it was kind of the perfect storm in a sense but i didn't

00:19:12.760 know about all the stuff that they that had been going on on the sets i had no idea about any of

00:19:18.500 that i was like okay we were still in hollywood but i was like we were kind of planning to move

00:19:23.860 to europe so i was like i don't care i'm gonna post this video this interview i had with blake

00:19:28.240 lily because i watched the movie and i was like that just reminded me of you know watching her

00:19:34.240 again i'm like oh i have this interview with her at home should i just publish that interview

00:19:39.500 on the timeline the so the interview is 2016 yeah well before the movie had ever been made

00:19:47.480 yeah you don't publish it at the in real time 2016 17 all the way to 2023 or 2024

00:19:56.500 for movie comes out at or did you see a trailer or do you see the movie i watched yeah so i was

00:20:04.960 at a press screening for the movie so i did watch the movie but it was before the premiere so they

00:20:10.540 had a pre-press screening for it and that's when i watched the movie and that's when i was like oh

00:20:14.740 should i just publish that interview i have in my drawer this old interview so you saw the press

00:20:21.580 screening and before the movie came out you posted it yeah i think it was around the premiere or but

00:20:30.320 just before the premiere uh i think i posted it on august 10th maybe the premiere was on august 6th

00:20:37.680 but the movie hadn't been come out like to the public yet yeah i'm not exactly i couldn't say

00:20:43.820 exactly the timeline there but i did post it around the time of the premiere and then that's

00:20:50.640 well before the filing of the lawsuit itself yeah as you know i was mentioned

00:20:56.720 yeah i was mentioned in that year so that people are watching this people are watching it would

00:21:03.160 know it's from a lawyer's standpoint you unearth something unearthed they went onto the internet

00:21:09.800 but there is something that was filmed a good 10 years before because obviously it was 2016

00:21:17.200 it just so happens you see the movie which is also the trigger for you to post it which you

00:21:23.720 had not posted before what a great artifact to have yeah and also and you know thank you for

00:21:31.960 doing that because it really seemed like it injected truth into what was going on in that

00:21:37.160 case um we we saw a different side of things i think just as a general public that that nobody

00:21:43.300 knew about. Um, no, I think that was just, I would love to hear your input on this. A lot of times

00:21:50.760 when we cross examine a witness, we will go back to, and there's kind of various rules,

00:21:58.440 depending on if you're federal and state court, how far back you can go on somebody's prior acts

00:22:03.220 and you can't just character assassinate them, but you have to find an act that took place prior

00:22:10.460 and say, does it show something?

00:22:12.940 Does it give me motive?

00:22:14.320 Does it give me some kind of an insight

00:22:17.840 into the person or what they're claiming?

00:22:20.800 And this is a perfect example to Matt's point, right?

00:22:24.400 Matt, isn't this kind of 1101 in some weird world? 0.51

00:22:28.420 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:22:29.500 Or if there was an 1108 or 1109 mark for bitchiness, 1.00

00:22:34.740 I wonder where that would fall on. 0.99

00:22:37.480 Because it was growing around evidence code sections and using your interview as the the kind of predicate act to get its admissibility.

00:22:50.740 So, yeah, I would allow it. I mean, the reason why it fought so hard to keep me out, you know, Blake's team, like they did not want me there, obviously.

00:23:01.180 So, yeah, I guess there's a there's a reason for that.

00:23:04.660 So let me tack real quick. In researching sort of about you and your background, I discovered that true crime is a huge deal in Norway. 0.67

00:23:18.240 They have a thing called Nordic Noir, which I'd never heard of before.

00:23:23.660 And there's an Easter crime weekend that a lot of people do where they go and they read murder mysteries.

00:23:30.520 And it turns out, Mark, I didn't know this, but there's this incredibly rich, like, murder mystery history in the country of Norway.

00:23:41.820 And I had never heard of it before.

00:23:44.180 I found out because there was just a phenomenal series.

00:23:48.100 Yes, Harry Hole.

00:23:51.040 I'm watching it right now.

00:23:53.120 Okay, it's phenomenal.

00:23:54.720 It's very gritty.

00:23:56.760 It's so good.

00:23:58.240 It's so good.

00:23:59.060 Although his nickname is kind of weird, or his name's Harry Holes.

00:24:02.940 Kind of funny.

00:24:03.820 We used to have a bar in Manhattan Beach that was called Harry Holes.

00:24:07.720 But so what about you?

00:24:11.380 Are you, do you enjoy true crime?

00:24:14.040 Do you enjoy murder mysteries?

00:24:15.200 Do you follow any of this stuff that Mark and I do?

00:24:18.380 You're as obsessed as we are with this?

00:24:21.020 It's Blake Lively case.

00:24:22.640 It's kind of I feel like people got addicted to this as the same way as we get addicted to these true crime stories, because there's so much going on all the time.

00:24:32.880 There's so many aspects to it. There's so many layers, so many people got involved, so many industry got involved.

00:24:40.260 So I think it has a lot of the same. I don't know what you guys think, but same kind of aspects to it as as true crime.

00:24:49.580 well there's definitely a voyeuristic element to it i think right hollywood gossip um and uh some

00:24:57.140 of the things and often when it intersects uh as you know which is mark's world uh defending

00:25:03.360 famous celebrities who cross the line into getting charged criminally but we would i would love to

00:25:09.220 have you back we would love to have you back um sometime not even to talk about uh play clively

00:25:14.180 but to talk about uh some true crime stuff if you're if you're down that would be i think that'd

00:25:19.600 be really fun for us absolutely can i ask you something also before i go i have to have a very

00:25:25.040 very specific question that i'm wondering if you could answer because do you have time for that

00:25:30.240 sure of course because yeah okay so i i've been so confused now with this case because um

00:25:38.040 brian friedman came out the other day when he released the whole settlement and he said you

00:25:43.460 The reason why I feel like he released the whole settlement was so that he could say there is no way that they could take these damages somewhere else or go to California or try to get these damages somewhere else because whatever Lyman decides or rules on, they can't appeal any of that.

00:26:05.080 And then Gottlieb went to the media and said that, you know, we are going to try to get our damages through other vehicles.

00:26:15.500 Where is the truth here?

00:26:17.160 Who is, like, what's...

00:26:19.840 Gottlieb's going to take the position that I'm in Brian's pocket.

00:26:23.140 But let me just tell you, every single thing that that legal team has said so far has turned out to be false.

00:26:31.820 I mean, just false legally. And then and they've been wrong tactically and strategically. It's unbelievable. At some point, somebody is going to write a long form article about the amount of money that Blake and Ryan have spent on this dry hole that they have been digging of for two, three years or whatever.

00:27:01.820 whatever it is, it's astonishing. And everybody keeps telling me, I don't have any way to

00:27:08.900 prove it, but that settlement agreement and the reason it was rushed into private mediation

00:27:16.800 is there is a California Supreme Court case that says you can't sue your lawyers for legal

00:27:25.060 malpractice if you resolve the case in private mediation. And because you can't, there's a bar

00:27:32.940 to bringing in whatever happened in the mediation, therefore you can't prove your case. That's

00:27:37.780 exactly why this case got settled, because after Judge Lyman granted the motion that gutted Blake

00:27:44.860 Lively's case, if you read that opinion, it is savage in the way he dissects the lawyer in the

00:27:52.860 case but and specifically blake's lawyering that's why brian brian uh my guess is why he released it

00:27:59.420 that is very just just to add to what mark just said um you know interviewing celebrities and

00:28:05.620 being inside the hollywood world you you know you know better probably than mark and i do

00:28:10.480 how much ego will often drive decision making and if you've got um the worst nightmare for any lawyer

00:28:16.460 is um you know and i don't know the behind the scenes on their on their team or not but the

00:28:22.260 worst nightmare is when you've got a client with unlimited resources who won't listen to you.

00:28:29.620 And I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that some of these decisions were made

00:28:34.080 against the advice of counsel. I don't know. I don't think anybody ever will. But yeah,

00:28:39.480 you understand the engine probably better than we do when it comes to ego and Hollywood and

00:28:45.840 reputation and how somebody thinks they're looking in the general public. You can sort of see that

00:28:51.000 going off the rails, uh, against sound legal advice. Um, that's my best, that's my best thought

00:28:57.680 on it. But do you think they're going to go somewhere else to get these damages? Can they do

00:29:02.200 that? Not if, not if their insurance carrier has anything to say about it because they're going to

00:29:07.520 get slapped with a, uh, with an action. But, and also trying to judge shop with, uh, federal judges

00:29:14.080 tends to go very poorly for whoever does that. Um, and they will back each other up typically. So,

00:29:20.100 So there's an old saying in U.S. legal circles, nothing is more powerful or what is it?

00:29:28.660 Federal judges are second only to God himself when it comes to power.

00:29:34.260 So this is a federal case and that wouldn't sit well with any federal jurist, I don't think.

00:29:39.520 Thank you, Shasti. Where does the audience find you?

00:29:42.980 Well, if they want to come and visit me in Mallorca, they can do that.

00:29:46.560 I'm there now

00:29:47.360 or they can find me

00:29:48.600 on my YouTube channel

00:29:49.400 as well

00:29:50.260 awesome

00:29:51.100 we're gonna

00:29:53.400 we're gonna hit you up again 0.60

00:29:54.420 we're gonna have you back

00:29:55.240 and we're gonna talk

00:29:55.820 about some true crime

00:29:56.620 please

00:29:57.320 I'd love that

00:29:58.140 thank you so much

00:29:59.260 this was so much fun

00:30:00.480 thank you so much

00:30:01.140 for having me

00:30:01.740 I really

00:30:02.040 really appreciate it

00:30:03.500 thanks for coming

00:30:05.100 next up

00:30:06.180 Matt and I share a story

00:30:07.520 from the past

00:30:08.340 stay tuned

00:30:16.560 hey matt so let me tell you something i know normally we do a story and i think i was teasing

00:30:29.940 you off the air that i said if you're going to give me another story that involved me having

00:30:33.880 to compliment nate hockman i was gonna get pissed out by you and so we swore we wouldn't but then

00:30:39.900 I, it occurred to me, give him his due. Did you see today, maybe yesterday, where he is going to

00:30:47.880 ask the judge in LA Superior Court to call a halt to the $4 billion settlement with the county on

00:30:58.580 the sexual abuse claims? Did you see this? Because- I did not see that. It's one of the,

00:31:04.040 one of the things I've been missing while I've been gone, I guess. It's fascinating. There was

00:31:08.060 a $4 billion settlement against the county of LA, where they, and when I say settlement,

00:31:15.200 there was not a, it wasn't the most robust discovery in the world, but anyway, there

00:31:20.780 was some, there's been some LA Times articles, LA Mag articles, there's been kind of brouhaha

00:31:27.520 around it, and he just announced that he's going to go in and ask for the judge to put

00:31:34.500 a halt to it because his analysis, this is wild to me, shows at least 81% may be fraud.

00:31:43.760 Think about that. Out of $4 billion, that if you just do the numbers, over $3 billion of that

00:31:51.340 is fraud. And basically, the county of LA was about to basically bankrupt themselves. And

00:31:59.180 somebody stepped in and said, time out, I'm going to take a different look at this.

00:32:04.500 Well, we grew up here, right, Mark? It's like being LA Angelenos. It just seems like by the day, I'm losing faith with some of the decisions that we're seeing at the local level. And that's a perfect one. Like, yeah, let's vote to bankrupt ourselves.

00:32:20.120 You know, like the the roads are are potholed. You know, we still get homeless people everywhere. I don't get it. You know, like, yeah, let's sign off on that.

00:32:30.000 I just it took me four years to get a settlement out of the Orange County Board of Supervisors on a legitimate sexual harassment case.

00:32:36.800 We just finalized all that about a month ago.

00:32:41.180 And the idea that they're just pulling out the checkbook without any due diligence on 75% of the claims.

00:32:49.280 I mean, you know, this isn't a partisan politics.

00:32:52.960 You know, this is just, this is.

00:32:54.340 And when you think about the fact that the state enacted a law that allowed look back.

00:33:02.840 Now, mind you, you've spent your whole career doing work for victims. I do both defense and plaintiff's work. But the state passed this law that basically put a gun to the municipality's head and say, OK, we're not only going to we're not only going to put the gun to your head by doing a look back law to revive the statutes of limitation.

00:33:25.900 But now we're going to pull the trigger and just make it so that anybody can make a claim.

00:33:30.540 And now it looks like four out of five are fraudulent, if you believe the analysis.

00:33:38.180 Yeah, and it's just, it's like the LAPD hasn't met their recruiting quotas.

00:33:43.580 It's the lowest number of soaring officers since 1995.

00:33:46.780 There's so many problems in this city.

00:33:49.240 The literacy rates, the testing scores of LA Unified are just spiraling even worse every year and they bust out the checkbook for something like that. It's like municipal suicide and it makes no sense.

00:34:05.320 And, and the people that are applying for that, I mean, it's just, you know, and again, this is, this is like just a public safety slash common sense thing. Like a billion, a billion dollars is so much money on the municipal level. It's insane. Like the difference, you ever heard that old thing that the difference between a million and a billion, a million seconds is 13 days. A billion seconds is like 33 years.

00:34:31.420 It's such a vast amount of money.

00:34:33.960 And the idea that nobody that there's no due diligence required for that.

00:34:37.660 We're just cutting checks for it's just it's insanity.

00:34:41.080 I just I didn't even want to tell a story because I thought the truth is truth is stranger than fiction.

00:34:49.760 And I want to go back to my turtles in Palau.

00:34:51.740 That's what that makes me want to do.

00:34:53.120 I want to go see you, Matt.

00:34:54.860 You want that?

00:34:55.740 Thanks, Mark.

00:34:56.700 Thank you.

00:34:57.480 Thank you, everybody.

00:34:58.440 Thanks to our guest, Shasti Fla, and thanks to you for tuning in to In the Well.

00:35:03.100 Have a great weekend.

00:35:04.080 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 20, 2026

Blake Lively Settlement Revealed and Damaging Witness Testimony, with Kjersti Flaa - ＂In The Well＂ with Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy

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