The Megyn Kelly Show - Blue Origin ＂Mission＂ Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans

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00:00:31.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.880 We have so much to get to today.

00:00:47.600 Later, we've got the lawyer for the doctor who recently settled his massive defamation case

00:00:52.020 against NBC News.

00:00:53.840 She will join me to explain exactly what they did on The Rachel Maddow Show,

00:00:58.880 The Nicole Wallace Show, The Chris Hayes Show,

00:01:02.080 and on MSNBC.com with people like Jacob Soberoff

00:01:06.700 that wound up costing NBC some undisclosed amount of money

00:01:10.980 with which the plaintiffs say they are, quote, very happy.

00:01:14.660 And the facts of this case are shocking.

00:01:17.160 We'll get to that in just a bit.

00:01:18.420 But there's so much news to get to first.

00:01:22.020 There's the latest on the Abrego Garcia case.

00:01:25.380 Democrat senators making absolute fools of themselves now,

00:01:28.340 going to bat for the illegal immigrant suspected MS-13 gang member.

00:01:32.180 This is their poster boy on the left now who was sent to El Salvador.

00:01:35.520 He's El Salvadoran.

00:01:37.040 OK, there was the removal order saying don't remove him there because he might face gang violence.

00:01:42.400 That gang has since evaporated.

00:01:43.960 They've been extinguished.

00:01:45.700 So the danger is gone.

00:01:47.020 What we did was send him back to his home country.

00:01:49.220 It's not like a gift.

00:01:50.300 I realize he's sitting in a prison.

00:01:53.000 That's going to be El Salvador's problem.

00:01:54.940 Right now it is a showdown, legal showdown,

00:01:57.540 between the Trump administration and this judge.

00:01:59.920 But really, as a practical matter,

00:02:01.560 we sent an El Salvadoran back to his country.

00:02:04.160 And the ladies of the Blue Origins mission,

00:02:06.840 the space mission,

00:02:08.760 literally they're talking about it like it was Apollo 11.

00:02:11.680 They think they're Neil Armstrong.

00:02:12.800 It's it's amazing.

00:02:15.540 They are getting ripped now,

00:02:17.360 not just from the Megyn Kelly's of the world,

00:02:19.600 but from all these lefties.

00:02:21.860 All these Hollywood celebs are going on Instagram and elsewhere

00:02:26.060 and expressing their disdain for what these women did

00:02:31.560 and how they're celebrating themselves.

00:02:33.940 Wait until you hear how they talked about their 10-minute trip

00:02:41.340 on Jeff Bezos's sexual fantasy rocket.

00:02:44.880 A lot to get to.

00:02:46.360 Joining me now is Bhatia Anghar Sargan,

00:02:48.260 free press columnist and author of Second Class,

00:02:50.760 How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women.

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00:03:55.960 Patra, great to see you.

00:03:56.940 Thank you so much for being here.

00:03:58.760 Thank you so much for having me, Megan.

00:04:00.340 It's always such a gift

00:04:01.660 to be able to join you and your listeners.

00:04:03.960 Oh, I love you.

00:04:04.780 I feel exactly the same way when you're on.

00:04:07.640 All right.

00:04:07.940 We've got to start with Letitia James

00:04:10.880 because I'm sorry,

00:04:12.040 but this is a huge deal.

00:04:14.800 Letitia James,

00:04:15.820 Attorney General of the State of New York,

00:04:19.220 may be on the wrong end of the law herself.

00:04:24.280 This is all over the news right now.

00:04:26.120 The allegations first reported

00:04:27.360 by the outlet White Collar Fraud,

00:04:29.740 Fox News bringing them on the air last night.

00:04:33.000 On Tuesday,

00:04:33.680 she was hit with a federal criminal referral

00:04:36.460 for instances of alleged mortgage fraud.

00:04:40.020 The Federal Housing Finance Agency director,

00:04:44.500 William Pulte,

00:04:46.000 sent a letter to AG Pam Bondi

00:04:48.220 and her deputy AG Todd Blanche

00:04:50.440 accusing Letitia James of mortgage fraud.

00:04:53.360 Quote,

00:04:53.680 In the course of exercising

00:04:55.220 U.S. federal housing authorities

00:04:56.760 under Federal Housing Enterprises,

00:04:58.980 Financial Safety and Soundness Act,

00:05:00.940 U.S. federal housing has identified matters

00:05:02.540 that are appropriate for referral to the U.S. DOJ

00:05:04.900 for the consideration of criminal prosecution.

00:05:08.060 The bottom line is

00:05:10.420 they're alleging that

00:05:11.740 she got a second house in Virginia.

00:05:14.760 She's obviously,

00:05:15.460 she lives in New York.

00:05:16.440 She's the New York Attorney General.

00:05:17.620 She has to live in New York.

00:05:19.280 She got a second house in Virginia

00:05:20.740 and then in applying for a mortgage for that house,

00:05:23.420 she had a lawyer

00:05:25.400 to whom she designated power of attorney

00:05:27.240 declare that it was her principal residence.

00:05:29.880 They allege that she did that

00:05:31.800 because you get a better mortgage rate

00:05:33.880 when you say it's your principal residence

00:05:36.540 because banks think

00:05:38.100 if you're going to default on a mortgage,

00:05:39.400 it's not going to be the one

00:05:41.060 of the house in which you live.

00:05:42.640 So if you fall on hard times,

00:05:43.880 you're more likely to default

00:05:44.740 on a second mortgage,

00:05:45.700 like a beach home or a secondary thing

00:05:48.020 than your primary

00:05:49.080 and that she,

00:05:50.520 knowing that this was not her primary residence,

00:05:52.960 obviously,

00:05:53.780 she's in New York and she has to be,

00:05:56.200 lied

00:05:56.500 and that you can't,

00:05:58.920 having your power of attorney lie

00:06:00.240 is the same as you lie.

00:06:01.220 There's absolutely no distinction legally.

00:06:02.800 So they're saying she did that.

00:06:06.140 Then they're saying she had a place in Brooklyn

00:06:08.000 that she was going to get a special mortgage for

00:06:11.120 as long as it has had four apartments

00:06:14.560 or bedrooms or less.

00:06:16.820 You had to get,

00:06:17.440 you could get a lower rate

00:06:18.480 if you had four bedrooms or under.

00:06:20.500 I can't figure out whether it was like

00:06:21.820 one of those townhomes

00:06:22.960 where everybody has their own apartment

00:06:24.180 or whether it's a dwelling

00:06:26.000 that has actual bedrooms for a family,

00:06:27.980 but it's irrelevant.

00:06:28.720 The point is you get a better mortgage rate

00:06:31.520 if it's got four bedrooms or less

00:06:33.300 and this place had five

00:06:34.820 and they're alleging

00:06:36.040 that she wrongfully declared it had four

00:06:37.740 over and over once again

00:06:39.520 to get a more favorable mortgage rate.

00:06:42.720 And then on top of all that,

00:06:44.900 and this is truly bizarre,

00:06:47.000 they are alleging

00:06:47.920 that a long time ago

00:06:50.040 when,

00:06:52.180 I don't,

00:06:52.740 she must,

00:06:53.180 I don't know how old she was,

00:06:54.640 but it was 1983.

00:06:56.360 they're alleging

00:06:58.620 that she

00:07:00.200 and her father

00:07:01.780 signed mortgage documents

00:07:04.120 that stated they were husband and wife

00:07:06.060 in order to secure

00:07:08.060 a home mortgage.

00:07:09.980 And then again

00:07:11.180 on May 4th,

00:07:12.340 2000,

00:07:13.820 Ms. James was listed

00:07:14.940 as,

00:07:15.700 with her husband,

00:07:17.000 as husband and wife.

00:07:20.000 And,

00:07:20.600 uh,

00:07:20.920 alleging that,

00:07:21.580 while this was a long time ago,

00:07:22.560 it raised a serious concerns

00:07:23.540 about the validity

00:07:24.180 of her representations

00:07:25.700 on mortgage applications.

00:07:27.640 This

00:07:28.200 is an earthquake.

00:07:30.440 This woman

00:07:31.420 devoted

00:07:33.120 years

00:07:34.720 of her life

00:07:35.900 in the past five years

00:07:37.360 to bringing down

00:07:38.360 Donald Trump

00:07:39.040 for what?

00:07:40.980 For alleged

00:07:42.140 misrepresentations

00:07:43.940 to banks

00:07:45.180 about

00:07:46.240 the value

00:07:47.120 of his properties.

00:07:48.720 They,

00:07:48.980 the allegation was

00:07:49.760 so that he could secure

00:07:50.780 more favorable loans

00:07:52.360 than he was entitled to

00:07:54.220 in a,

00:07:55.640 in a different,

00:07:56.680 you know,

00:07:57.620 dressing.

00:07:58.620 It's the same

00:07:59.620 general fashion

00:08:00.600 as what she's

00:08:02.180 being accused

00:08:03.300 of

00:08:03.660 herself.

00:08:05.120 But yeah,

00:08:05.800 now

00:08:06.080 she hasn't

00:08:07.640 spoken to it directly,

00:08:08.500 but her spokesperson

00:08:09.320 said she's focused

00:08:10.720 every single day

00:08:11.300 on protecting New Yorkers,

00:08:12.400 especially as this

00:08:13.040 administration weaponizes.

00:08:14.620 That's rich

00:08:15.040 as this administration

00:08:16.360 weaponizes

00:08:17.020 the federal government

00:08:17.660 against the rule of law

00:08:18.440 and the constitution.

00:08:19.400 She will not be intimidated

00:08:20.480 by bullies

00:08:21.160 no matter who they are.

00:08:22.360 But this

00:08:23.200 is unbelievable.

00:08:25.580 And if

00:08:26.020 one word of this

00:08:27.600 is true,

00:08:28.740 she is in

00:08:29.940 a world

00:08:31.000 of trouble

00:08:31.820 right now.

00:08:32.740 Your thoughts?

00:08:34.240 It's so amazing

00:08:35.780 because

00:08:36.360 I always say

00:08:37.680 Donald Trump

00:08:38.340 has a real

00:08:39.220 genius

00:08:39.920 for bringing

00:08:41.420 out the lowest

00:08:42.660 qualities

00:08:43.260 in his opponents.

00:08:44.980 You look at

00:08:45.700 how the Democrats

00:08:46.480 have turned

00:08:47.480 on all of

00:08:48.420 their own

00:08:49.200 values

00:08:49.900 the minute

00:08:50.380 they suspected

00:08:51.220 Trump

00:08:51.660 of supporting

00:08:52.380 them,

00:08:52.840 whether it

00:08:53.600 was standing

00:08:54.440 up for the

00:08:54.960 working class

00:08:55.660 or standing

00:08:56.480 up for free

00:08:57.100 speech or

00:08:57.700 standing up

00:08:58.540 for women,

00:08:59.060 as you point

00:08:59.720 out all the

00:09:00.620 time,

00:09:01.040 Megan.

00:09:01.540 They simply

00:09:02.300 will not

00:09:03.020 ever cease

00:09:04.480 or hesitate

00:09:05.320 to retreat

00:09:06.100 from their

00:09:06.520 own values

00:09:07.400 if they think

00:09:08.280 Donald Trump

00:09:09.060 may be

00:09:09.760 representing them.

00:09:10.720 But here

00:09:11.160 we have

00:09:11.480 something even

00:09:12.140 more delicious,

00:09:13.440 which is that

00:09:14.080 it was revealed

00:09:15.120 that the

00:09:15.880 person

00:09:16.320 attacking

00:09:17.020 him

00:09:17.520 for all

00:09:18.480 of these

00:09:18.900 trumped-up

00:09:20.060 ridiculous

00:09:21.040 charges

00:09:21.920 who went

00:09:22.440 after him

00:09:23.080 for the

00:09:23.460 pure

00:09:23.840 sake

00:09:24.400 of going

00:09:24.780 after the

00:09:25.400 political

00:09:25.860 rival

00:09:26.520 of the

00:09:27.360 Democrats

00:09:27.740 because he

00:09:28.260 was more

00:09:28.660 popular

00:09:29.100 than the

00:09:29.480 Democrats,

00:09:30.340 that she

00:09:30.860 was herself

00:09:31.820 allegedly

00:09:32.700 engaged

00:09:33.660 in the

00:09:34.380 very things

00:09:35.340 that she

00:09:36.040 was pretending

00:09:37.060 he was doing

00:09:37.900 which he

00:09:38.500 was not

00:09:38.900 actually doing.

00:09:40.180 It is just

00:09:40.940 chef's kiss,

00:09:42.240 Megan,

00:09:42.480 because it is

00:09:43.060 such a

00:09:43.640 parallel

00:09:44.220 for the

00:09:45.020 Democrats

00:09:45.380 who accused

00:09:46.640 Donald Trump

00:09:47.500 of being a

00:09:48.160 threat to

00:09:48.540 democracy

00:09:49.140 while themselves

00:09:50.320 undermining

00:09:51.240 democracy.

00:09:52.180 They accuse

00:09:52.680 him of

00:09:53.400 weaponizing

00:09:54.300 the law

00:09:54.880 while themselves

00:09:56.100 weaponizing

00:09:57.100 the law.

00:09:57.800 And this

00:09:58.120 is just

00:09:58.640 like such

00:09:59.260 a beautiful

00:10:00.080 perfect

00:10:01.280 bow

00:10:02.300 on top

00:10:03.200 of the

00:10:03.540 box

00:10:03.920 of their

00:10:04.340 hypocrisy

00:10:05.200 where he

00:10:06.120 again and

00:10:06.760 again comes

00:10:07.440 out ahead.

00:10:09.120 It's

00:10:09.800 incredible.

00:10:11.620 She

00:10:12.120 she's

00:10:13.820 going to

00:10:14.280 be hoisted

00:10:14.820 on her

00:10:15.300 own petard

00:10:16.140 because she's

00:10:17.640 spent the

00:10:18.600 past three

00:10:19.040 years,

00:10:19.520 four years

00:10:20.060 arguing about

00:10:21.260 how no

00:10:22.360 one is

00:10:22.680 above the

00:10:23.100 law.

00:10:23.680 The

00:10:24.000 powerful

00:10:24.540 must be

00:10:25.140 treated the

00:10:25.700 same as

00:10:26.580 the poor.

00:10:27.700 That just

00:10:28.860 because you're

00:10:29.420 rich and

00:10:29.720 famous doesn't

00:10:30.300 give you the

00:10:30.680 right to

00:10:31.060 manipulate the

00:10:31.860 banking system

00:10:32.640 to get more

00:10:33.360 favorable loans.

00:10:34.660 Oh my

00:10:35.140 God,

00:10:35.840 all of that

00:10:36.860 is going to

00:10:37.320 be shoved

00:10:38.120 right down

00:10:39.140 her throat

00:10:39.760 and into

00:10:40.380 her craw

00:10:41.020 in the

00:10:41.960 context of

00:10:42.500 this

00:10:42.660 investigation

00:10:43.240 and this

00:10:43.840 case.

00:10:44.540 Now she'll

00:10:45.340 tell us

00:10:46.160 what her

00:10:47.020 defense is.

00:10:47.620 I'm all

00:10:48.740 ears.

00:10:49.460 Cannot wait

00:10:49.980 to hear how

00:10:50.540 she's had

00:10:51.000 alleged

00:10:51.840 repeated

00:10:52.720 slip ups

00:10:53.800 on her

00:10:54.640 mortgages.

00:10:55.280 Like one,

00:10:56.080 you could

00:10:56.460 understand.

00:10:57.100 I don't

00:10:57.260 know,

00:10:57.520 like maybe

00:10:58.280 the dwelling

00:10:58.740 that she

00:10:59.100 said is

00:10:59.380 four bedrooms

00:11:00.100 instead of

00:11:00.900 five.

00:11:02.340 Maybe they

00:11:02.620 did something

00:11:03.080 with the

00:11:03.460 fifth bedroom.

00:11:04.280 You know,

00:11:04.460 like she's

00:11:04.940 like counting

00:11:05.360 as a study,

00:11:05.960 although that's

00:11:06.340 not the way

00:11:06.700 it works.

00:11:07.100 On a mortgage

00:11:07.560 law,

00:11:07.800 they want to

00:11:08.080 know like

00:11:08.620 what qualifies

00:11:09.440 is a

00:11:09.740 bedroom.

00:11:10.080 They don't

00:11:10.340 care how

00:11:10.620 you're using

00:11:11.020 it.

00:11:11.560 I'm just

00:11:11.920 trying to

00:11:12.180 look for

00:11:12.380 ways to

00:11:12.680 give her

00:11:12.860 the benefit

00:11:13.220 of the

00:11:13.420 doubt.

00:11:14.200 I'm not

00:11:14.500 sure how

00:11:14.840 you say

00:11:15.120 your father

00:11:15.580 is your

00:11:16.000 husband.

00:11:17.220 That's a

00:11:18.540 tough one.

00:11:19.220 It's not

00:11:19.540 exactly what

00:11:20.060 she's being

00:11:20.400 prosecuted for.

00:11:21.780 But if

00:11:22.140 true, it

00:11:22.780 absolutely

00:11:23.340 shows a

00:11:24.020 pattern of

00:11:24.620 dishonesty.

00:11:25.800 And by

00:11:26.160 the way,

00:11:26.740 pattern

00:11:27.080 evidence can

00:11:28.420 get in

00:11:29.040 in criminal

00:11:30.220 trials.

00:11:30.760 They've been

00:11:31.060 using it

00:11:31.640 against Harvey

00:11:32.320 Weinstein and

00:11:33.180 others up

00:11:33.900 and down

00:11:34.320 Letitia James'

00:11:35.800 New York

00:11:36.920 State criminal

00:11:37.700 system.

00:11:39.180 So this

00:11:40.800 woman's in

00:11:41.300 a lot of

00:11:41.760 trouble today.

00:11:42.520 I'm telling

00:11:42.880 you, this

00:11:43.200 is serious.

00:11:44.040 Having read

00:11:44.560 the complaint,

00:11:46.100 Jonathan Turley

00:11:46.640 was on Fox

00:11:47.140 last night and

00:11:47.640 he said

00:11:47.980 exactly this.

00:11:49.000 It took me

00:11:49.400 less than a

00:11:49.900 minute to

00:11:50.440 find cases

00:11:50.960 prosecuted under

00:11:51.880 this statute

00:11:52.500 for false

00:11:53.620 claims of

00:11:54.100 principal

00:11:54.480 residences and

00:11:55.400 the other

00:11:55.680 allegations.

00:11:56.500 So this is

00:11:56.840 not some

00:11:57.220 unusual statute

00:11:58.240 that they

00:11:59.120 bring up from

00:12:00.100 time to time

00:12:00.660 for enemies.

00:12:01.320 This is

00:12:01.540 actually quite

00:12:02.080 frequently

00:12:02.500 enforced.

00:12:03.660 And says,

00:12:04.240 this woman

00:12:05.100 previously

00:12:05.640 prosecuted

00:12:06.140 Trump for

00:12:06.520 everything short

00:12:07.040 of ripping a

00:12:07.580 label off a

00:12:08.220 mattress.

00:12:09.220 She emphasized

00:12:09.780 he was

00:12:10.220 ultimately

00:12:10.640 responsible for

00:12:11.420 any filings

00:12:12.300 made in his

00:12:12.860 name or

00:12:13.720 that of his

00:12:14.240 company,

00:12:14.680 irrespective of

00:12:15.380 whether he

00:12:16.200 had seen

00:12:16.760 them or

00:12:17.480 signed them

00:12:18.020 personally.

00:12:19.140 He authorized

00:12:20.280 them just as

00:12:21.360 she would have

00:12:22.120 here.

00:12:22.480 and said the

00:12:23.620 greatest danger

00:12:25.020 for Letitia

00:12:25.560 James may be

00:12:26.340 if the

00:12:26.700 Letitia

00:12:27.120 James standard

00:12:27.820 is applied

00:12:28.380 to her,

00:12:29.240 where she

00:12:29.600 emphasized such

00:12:30.420 technicalities

00:12:31.440 matter and

00:12:32.800 that the

00:12:33.060 powerful should

00:12:33.640 not be given

00:12:34.100 a free pass.

00:12:35.780 This is

00:12:36.500 just unbelievable.

00:12:38.500 I mean,

00:12:39.480 Fannie

00:12:39.820 Willis goes

00:12:40.520 down because

00:12:41.660 she couldn't

00:12:42.340 keep her zipper

00:12:43.500 up long enough

00:12:44.360 to actually see

00:12:45.280 the prosecution

00:12:46.360 of Donald Trump

00:12:47.160 through,

00:12:47.760 right?

00:12:48.000 And then I

00:12:48.940 believe she

00:12:49.340 lied under

00:12:49.900 oath very

00:12:50.660 clearly to

00:12:51.580 me,

00:12:52.360 as well as

00:12:53.320 her paramour

00:12:54.100 Nathan Wade.

00:12:55.020 So that case

00:12:55.540 crumbled.

00:12:56.400 It crumbled

00:12:57.000 even though

00:12:57.680 it was a

00:12:58.640 state case.

00:12:59.480 He couldn't

00:12:59.840 be pardoned.

00:13:00.520 There were

00:13:00.700 all sorts of

00:13:01.220 reasons why

00:13:01.700 that one was

00:13:02.160 problematic.

00:13:03.100 But to your

00:13:03.960 point,

00:13:04.420 his enemies

00:13:05.000 are just

00:13:05.980 the worst

00:13:06.340 people.

00:13:07.140 Then Jack

00:13:07.800 Smith loses

00:13:08.620 the Florida

00:13:09.080 case before

00:13:09.740 Trump even

00:13:10.300 won because

00:13:11.040 he was the

00:13:11.880 wrong prosecutor

00:13:12.580 that they

00:13:13.140 held at the

00:13:14.000 appointment of

00:13:14.480 this particular

00:13:15.120 prosecutor was

00:13:15.720 wrong.

00:13:16.660 The J6

00:13:17.540 case was

00:13:18.000 all but

00:13:18.360 gutted by

00:13:18.820 the Supreme

00:13:19.200 Court saying

00:13:20.340 he's got

00:13:20.880 presidential

00:13:21.300 immunity for

00:13:21.920 most of

00:13:22.280 this.

00:13:22.960 The only

00:13:23.260 one who

00:13:23.640 got Trump

00:13:24.180 was Alvin

00:13:24.760 Bragg.

00:13:25.800 And even

00:13:26.120 that case

00:13:26.820 was really

00:13:27.480 undermined

00:13:28.000 by that

00:13:28.320 presidential

00:13:28.640 immunity

00:13:29.100 finding and

00:13:30.500 ultimately

00:13:31.520 kind of

00:13:31.900 crumbled at

00:13:32.340 the very

00:13:32.840 end even

00:13:33.400 though Alvin

00:13:34.140 Bragg was

00:13:34.520 determined to

00:13:35.100 see it

00:13:35.340 through so

00:13:35.640 he could

00:13:35.840 call Trump

00:13:36.220 a convicted

00:13:36.680 felon.

00:13:37.560 And I

00:13:37.740 think it'll

00:13:38.000 be reversed

00:13:38.420 on appeal.

00:13:39.180 So what

00:13:39.740 do you have

00:13:40.100 now?

00:13:40.380 You do

00:13:40.840 have the

00:13:41.340 E.

00:13:41.560 Jean

00:13:41.660 Carroll

00:13:41.900 verdict,

00:13:42.440 which we

00:13:42.640 all know

00:13:42.900 is bullshit.

00:13:44.280 And then

00:13:47.540 told by

00:13:47.940 Trump

00:13:48.200 insiders

00:13:48.620 was the

00:13:48.980 one that

00:13:49.300 bothered him

00:13:49.780 the most

00:13:50.160 all along.

00:13:51.080 It's his

00:13:51.380 company,

00:13:52.280 his near

00:13:52.600 and dear

00:13:52.900 company.

00:13:53.740 And what's

00:13:54.080 being alleged

00:13:54.500 in this

00:13:54.800 lawsuit is

00:13:55.360 that that

00:13:55.720 case was

00:13:56.140 pursued by

00:13:57.660 an alleged

00:13:58.380 fraudster

00:13:59.240 herself.

00:14:01.720 Yeah,

00:14:02.360 and if this

00:14:02.840 is true,

00:14:03.640 I mean,

00:14:04.360 Megan,

00:14:05.040 if you had

00:14:05.680 done this

00:14:06.200 stuff,

00:14:06.740 right,

00:14:07.080 like the

00:14:07.460 stuff she's

00:14:08.000 accused of

00:14:08.560 doing,

00:14:09.420 you might

00:14:10.180 sort of

00:14:10.700 hesitate

00:14:11.360 before going

00:14:12.460 out and

00:14:13.060 having the

00:14:13.660 most high

00:14:14.320 profile person

00:14:15.160 on planet

00:14:15.700 Earth be

00:14:16.580 accused by

00:14:17.480 you of

00:14:18.180 the same

00:14:18.580 exact things.

00:14:19.700 So you

00:14:19.900 have to

00:14:20.260 understand

00:14:21.020 here,

00:14:21.980 how is

00:14:22.400 it possible

00:14:23.120 that she

00:14:24.040 could have

00:14:24.500 staked so

00:14:25.220 much knowing

00:14:26.160 that she

00:14:27.000 had done

00:14:27.300 the same

00:14:27.700 thing,

00:14:27.980 if this

00:14:28.300 is all

00:14:28.660 true?

00:14:29.080 And I

00:14:29.320 think the

00:14:29.680 answer to

00:14:30.160 that is

00:14:30.520 really

00:14:30.820 important.

00:14:32.340 Democrats

00:14:32.780 fundamentally

00:14:33.400 do not

00:14:34.200 consider

00:14:34.880 conservatives

00:14:35.660 and Republicans

00:14:36.340 to be

00:14:36.940 human in

00:14:37.820 the same

00:14:38.240 way that

00:14:38.600 they are.

00:14:39.060 They don't

00:14:39.600 see them

00:14:40.200 as

00:14:40.480 comparable.

00:14:42.040 And the

00:14:42.560 confidence

00:14:43.400 with which

00:14:44.500 she used

00:14:45.600 the justice

00:14:46.140 system to

00:14:46.720 go after

00:14:47.360 Trump for

00:14:48.340 the very

00:14:48.840 crimes that

00:14:49.500 she herself

00:14:50.080 is alleged

00:14:50.540 of having

00:14:50.980 committed

00:14:51.400 suggests to

00:14:52.680 me this

00:14:53.760 kind of

00:14:54.260 confidence that

00:14:55.640 the system

00:14:56.320 will always

00:14:57.360 work not

00:14:58.480 justly but

00:15:00.020 in their

00:15:00.940 favor,

00:15:02.060 right?

00:15:02.320 There's a

00:15:02.660 kind of

00:15:03.200 unconscious

00:15:04.000 acknowledgement

00:15:05.540 here, an

00:15:06.800 admission if you

00:15:07.940 will, that

00:15:08.960 they believe

00:15:10.040 that they are

00:15:11.020 not held to

00:15:11.740 the same

00:15:12.220 standard as

00:15:13.180 conservatives and

00:15:14.180 Republicans and

00:15:15.060 certainly

00:15:15.660 Donald Trump.

00:15:17.000 And I think

00:15:17.320 for me, that's

00:15:17.920 what's really

00:15:18.480 interesting about

00:15:19.320 this.

00:15:20.220 She was like

00:15:21.380 out there with

00:15:22.240 the red

00:15:22.960 drape, you

00:15:24.600 know, tempting

00:15:25.260 the bull.

00:15:26.140 Who could

00:15:26.520 forget the

00:15:28.380 many times we

00:15:29.180 heard this from

00:15:29.800 her in

00:15:30.140 Sot 3?

00:15:30.560 I will never

00:15:31.940 be afraid to

00:15:33.200 challenge this

00:15:33.920 illegitimate

00:15:34.560 president when

00:15:35.900 our fundamental

00:15:36.480 rights are at

00:15:37.220 stake.

00:15:37.740 I believe that

00:15:38.260 the president of

00:15:39.000 these United

00:15:39.440 States can be

00:15:40.320 indicted for

00:15:41.400 criminal offenses.

00:15:42.540 Will you sue

00:15:43.140 him for us?

00:15:44.080 Oh, we're

00:15:44.460 going to be a

00:15:45.680 real hate.

00:15:46.820 I know my

00:15:47.680 name personally.

00:15:48.520 That man in

00:15:49.240 the White

00:15:49.580 House.

00:15:54.040 Who can't go a

00:15:55.200 day without

00:15:56.960 threatening our

00:15:57.820 fundamental rights.

00:15:58.940 Yes, we need to

00:15:59.880 focus on Donald

00:16:00.620 Trump and his

00:16:01.140 abuses.

00:16:02.180 We need to

00:16:02.480 follow his

00:16:03.080 money.

00:16:04.260 We need to

00:16:04.960 find out where

00:16:05.540 he's laundered

00:16:06.160 money.

00:16:07.100 We need to

00:16:07.500 find out whether

00:16:08.040 or not he's

00:16:08.460 engaged in

00:16:08.980 conspiracy.

00:16:10.060 It's important

00:16:10.460 that everyone

00:16:10.880 understand that

00:16:11.580 the days of

00:16:12.140 Donald Trump

00:16:12.580 are coming to

00:16:13.200 an end.

00:16:13.660 I look forward

00:16:14.580 to going into

00:16:15.640 the office of

00:16:16.360 attorney general

00:16:17.220 every day,

00:16:19.060 suing him,

00:16:20.400 defending your

00:16:21.220 rights, and

00:16:22.100 then going

00:16:22.700 home.

00:16:24.160 That's a Fox

00:16:24.920 News, but it's

00:16:25.540 unbelievable,

00:16:27.360 right?

00:16:27.660 By the way,

00:16:28.180 just pro tip,

00:16:28.820 Letitia James,

00:16:29.840 your father is

00:16:30.520 not your

00:16:30.840 husband, unless

00:16:31.760 you've done

00:16:32.100 something very

00:16:32.780 wrong, and so

00:16:33.340 is he.

00:16:33.900 That's just as a

00:16:35.140 starter.

00:16:35.880 Also, when you

00:16:36.580 apply for

00:16:37.020 mortgages, you

00:16:37.540 have to be

00:16:37.920 truthful.

00:16:38.440 I did look it

00:16:39.000 up.

00:16:39.460 It's a five-family

00:16:40.280 dwelling, so

00:16:41.000 there's no

00:16:41.540 ambiguity.

00:16:42.540 It's a five-family

00:16:43.820 dwelling that

00:16:45.040 according to

00:16:46.340 this guy, the

00:16:48.880 guy I just

00:16:49.560 referenced, hold

00:16:50.180 on, I'll make

00:16:50.560 sure I get his

00:16:51.040 title correct,

00:16:52.020 Director William

00:16:52.640 Pulte of the

00:16:53.500 Federal Housing

00:16:54.040 Finance Agency,

00:16:54.920 he says that

00:16:57.900 she declared

00:16:59.940 that it was

00:17:00.280 four units

00:17:00.980 because a

00:17:02.780 building that

00:17:03.340 exceeds four

00:17:04.480 units, that's

00:17:05.080 greater than

00:17:05.540 four, that's

00:17:06.000 five, like

00:17:06.500 hers, must be

00:17:07.580 treated as a

00:17:08.060 multifamily

00:17:08.540 property and

00:17:09.160 typically has

00:17:09.640 larger down

00:17:10.140 payment requirements

00:17:10.880 and higher

00:17:11.320 interest rate

00:17:11.920 terms.

00:17:12.480 And he said

00:17:13.940 it appears that

00:17:14.700 quote, Miss

00:17:15.160 James may have

00:17:15.700 listed the

00:17:16.080 Brooklyn, New

00:17:16.480 York property

00:17:16.940 as four units

00:17:17.560 instead of

00:17:17.940 five in order

00:17:18.920 to meet the

00:17:19.360 conforming loan

00:17:20.540 requirements and

00:17:21.280 thus receive

00:17:21.720 better interest

00:17:22.280 rates.

00:17:23.020 Miss James also

00:17:23.640 appears to have

00:17:24.180 used the same

00:17:24.740 falsification in

00:17:26.120 order to receive

00:17:26.660 mortgage assistance

00:17:27.480 through this

00:17:28.620 federal program,

00:17:29.960 which he

00:17:30.600 abbreviates here.

00:17:31.680 So, like I

00:17:33.100 said, the red

00:17:34.420 cape, Batya, and

00:17:36.040 guess what?

00:17:36.980 The bull has

00:17:38.160 come running.

00:17:39.140 I mean, this

00:17:39.560 isn't yet on

00:17:41.120 Trump.

00:17:41.600 This is, I

00:17:42.080 have no idea

00:17:42.800 whether Mr.

00:17:44.160 Pulte had

00:17:45.320 any, I

00:17:46.360 don't know how

00:17:46.700 he got started

00:17:47.240 on this, no

00:17:47.980 idea, but he's

00:17:48.960 now referring it

00:17:49.740 to Pam Bondi

00:17:50.600 saying, you

00:17:52.360 should prosecute

00:17:53.240 this.

00:17:54.220 This is a very

00:17:54.820 serious matter

00:17:55.580 and I have a

00:17:56.380 feeling Pam

00:17:56.980 Bondi will

00:17:57.960 feel the same.

00:18:00.580 And of course

00:18:01.300 the Democrats

00:18:01.780 are going to

00:18:02.220 accuse the

00:18:02.700 Trump administration

00:18:03.380 of weaponization

00:18:04.280 and so forth,

00:18:05.160 right?

00:18:05.380 Because that's

00:18:05.940 their favorite

00:18:06.500 thing to do,

00:18:07.260 which is, you

00:18:08.080 know, as we've

00:18:08.540 said many times

00:18:09.280 on this show,

00:18:10.020 every accusation

00:18:10.960 from them is

00:18:11.520 really a

00:18:12.120 confession.

00:18:13.400 If it wasn't

00:18:14.080 clear before

00:18:15.040 how much they

00:18:16.560 believe that they

00:18:17.720 have the right

00:18:18.820 to use the

00:18:20.200 institutions of

00:18:21.280 this country,

00:18:21.880 whether it's the

00:18:22.520 justice system

00:18:23.320 or the university

00:18:24.120 system or our

00:18:25.740 economy, in order

00:18:26.820 to further their

00:18:28.160 own political

00:18:29.120 gains, to seize

00:18:30.600 power and to line

00:18:31.640 their pockets with

00:18:32.340 the proceeds, this

00:18:33.740 really is the

00:18:34.880 cherry on the

00:18:35.980 cake of that.

00:18:36.740 But it's

00:18:38.040 unbelievable.

00:18:39.820 You've got to

00:18:40.720 be squeaky

00:18:42.160 clean when

00:18:43.140 you are a

00:18:43.980 prosecutor or

00:18:44.980 an attorney

00:18:45.320 general.

00:18:45.840 And I'm sorry,

00:18:46.640 this isn't

00:18:47.120 20-20 hindsight.

00:18:48.280 Everybody knows

00:18:49.680 that.

00:18:50.560 Everybody knows

00:18:51.500 that.

00:18:51.740 Just even while

00:18:52.440 I was practicing

00:18:53.140 law as a

00:18:54.140 civilian, I

00:18:54.860 wasn't in a

00:18:55.360 government role,

00:18:56.420 I knew that.

00:18:57.580 I knew I had

00:18:58.660 to be super

00:18:59.440 careful on every

00:19:00.340 tax return.

00:19:01.800 I felt as an

00:19:02.960 officer of the

00:19:03.720 court, I was

00:19:04.500 held to a

00:19:05.040 higher standard.

00:19:06.140 And I took it

00:19:06.840 seriously and I

00:19:07.480 was honored to

00:19:08.220 do it.

00:19:08.660 I felt like I

00:19:09.380 was sworn into

00:19:10.360 the bar.

00:19:11.160 I had to take an

00:19:12.260 ethical test and

00:19:13.540 pass that separately

00:19:14.660 to convince these

00:19:16.280 people to let me

00:19:17.240 represent people in

00:19:18.340 court and uphold

00:19:19.720 my word as an

00:19:21.420 officer of a court

00:19:22.200 in dealing with

00:19:22.960 judges and so on.

00:19:24.460 All those same

00:19:25.560 things apply to

00:19:26.280 her and then some

00:19:27.640 because she's

00:19:28.620 actually got

00:19:29.460 criminal indictment

00:19:30.820 power.

00:19:31.560 She can put people

00:19:32.180 behind bars or

00:19:33.780 she can devastate

00:19:34.740 their businesses.

00:19:35.900 So being above

00:19:36.840 reproach is

00:19:37.640 especially important

00:19:38.740 for someone like

00:19:39.620 Letitia James and

00:19:41.280 this I'm not going

00:19:42.200 to comment thing,

00:19:42.980 this breezing past

00:19:44.140 the reporters or

00:19:44.720 she was on a fake

00:19:45.900 phone call this

00:19:46.640 morning, ain't

00:19:47.720 going to cut it.

00:19:49.520 She's she's

00:19:50.800 finding out that's

00:19:51.720 what's happening

00:19:52.120 right now.

00:19:52.920 She made up a

00:19:54.480 fake crime to go

00:19:56.560 after Donald Trump

00:19:57.260 with.

00:19:57.640 It was a civil suit,

00:19:58.640 but she made up a

00:20:00.340 fake legal indictment

00:20:02.640 against him where

00:20:03.780 she sued him to

00:20:04.660 within an inch of

00:20:05.400 his net worth and

00:20:06.780 tried to ruin his

00:20:07.980 business and actually

00:20:09.180 is on her way toward

00:20:10.720 doing it, although

00:20:11.420 she's going to get

00:20:12.000 reversed.

00:20:13.160 And you know what?

00:20:14.920 You really do need to

00:20:15.800 have clean hands if

00:20:16.760 you're going to play

00:20:17.300 that kind of game.

00:20:18.160 Letitia James, we'll

00:20:19.280 see how it goes for

00:20:19.960 you.

00:20:20.620 OK, speaking of

00:20:21.400 unclean hands, the

00:20:23.220 case of Abrego Garcia,

00:20:24.720 this guy.

00:20:26.120 Wait until you hear

00:20:26.920 what we've just found

00:20:27.560 out about this guy.

00:20:28.240 He's the left poster

00:20:29.480 boy, favorite poster

00:20:31.080 boy child for just a

00:20:33.440 Maryland dad who

00:20:34.680 President Trump picked

00:20:35.540 on.

00:20:36.100 He just picked him up

00:20:37.260 for no good reason and

00:20:38.460 shipped him off to that

00:20:39.280 El Salvador in prison.

00:20:41.540 Well, one of the things

00:20:43.140 they're trying to do and

00:20:44.100 this audience, we've

00:20:45.040 talked to many times,

00:20:45.660 but he's he's not just a

00:20:47.080 Maryland dad.

00:20:47.560 He's a he's not a U.S.

00:20:48.580 citizen.

00:20:48.940 He's from El Salvador.

00:20:50.240 He was picked up and he

00:20:51.480 was brought here illegally

00:20:52.160 by his parents when he was

00:20:53.000 16.

00:20:53.580 In 2019, he was arrested

00:20:55.940 for suspected gang

00:20:57.000 activity.

00:20:57.860 And in the context of

00:20:58.720 investigating this guy,

00:20:59.880 they figured out that he

00:21:00.500 was an illegal and he was

00:21:01.960 ordered removed.

00:21:03.400 A district court judge,

00:21:04.560 an immigration trial judge

00:21:05.860 and then an appellate

00:21:06.580 court above her both

00:21:07.960 agreed he needed to be

00:21:08.980 removed.

00:21:09.600 He pled for mercy,

00:21:10.900 saying, please, you can't

00:21:11.640 send me back to El

00:21:12.220 Salvador because there's

00:21:13.060 gang activity.

00:21:13.740 They might want to kill

00:21:14.360 me.

00:21:14.860 And they said, OK, you

00:21:15.520 don't have to go back to

00:21:16.040 El Salvador.

00:21:16.660 And he's been kind of

00:21:17.400 just like hovering here

00:21:18.940 ever since on our

00:21:20.580 benevolence and saying,

00:21:22.200 you know, you're

00:21:23.060 kickoutable, but we

00:21:24.400 won't send you back

00:21:24.980 there anyway.

00:21:26.100 That's where things

00:21:26.880 stand with him.

00:21:27.460 And in order to soften

00:21:29.040 the hearts probably of

00:21:31.280 American women in

00:21:32.200 particular, but Americans

00:21:33.540 cross country, they've

00:21:34.540 been parading out his

00:21:35.520 mother and his wife.

00:21:37.220 He's a good husband.

00:21:39.240 He's a great father.

00:21:41.080 I'm going to read you

00:21:41.720 some of what she's said

00:21:43.160 saying, let's see.

00:21:47.880 We have a thought.

00:21:48.840 OK, never mind.

00:21:49.280 We cut a thought.

00:21:49.840 Watch it.

00:21:51.240 The Trump administration

00:21:52.020 has labeled him a human

00:21:53.220 trafficker, even an MS-13

00:21:55.260 gang leader.

00:21:56.060 How do you respond to

00:21:57.080 those claims?

00:21:57.880 So everything they're

00:21:58.620 saying, it's wrong.

00:22:00.560 My husband is a loving

00:22:02.080 father.

00:22:02.980 And what I know is he's

00:22:04.480 an amazing husband, an

00:22:05.840 amazing father.

00:22:07.200 That's who he truly is.

00:22:08.740 OK, amazing husband and

00:22:11.940 father.

00:22:12.180 Now, this just broke

00:22:13.340 today.

00:22:14.480 Andy Ngo, who's been on

00:22:15.860 this show many times,

00:22:19.240 Andy Ngo first reported

00:22:20.180 this and then it was

00:22:21.920 picked up by Bill

00:22:22.480 Malusian of Fox and now

00:22:23.840 has been verified by

00:22:25.040 Bill Malusian of Fox based

00:22:26.500 on Maryland state records.

00:22:27.900 This great husband, this

00:22:29.840 wonderful father, not

00:22:32.840 once, but more than

00:22:34.120 once, has been accused

00:22:37.280 of domestic violence by

00:22:39.220 that woman who was

00:22:40.380 giving that interview

00:22:41.520 right there.

00:22:42.240 And the court records have

00:22:43.440 been pulled.

00:22:44.300 There's one from 2020.

00:22:45.840 The case is now closed.

00:22:46.940 There's another one from

00:22:47.660 2021.

00:22:48.760 The case is now closed.

00:22:51.380 And she signed this

00:22:54.080 under penalty of

00:22:55.260 perjury.

00:22:56.920 Yeah.

00:22:57.620 In connection with his

00:22:58.840 deportation from the

00:23:00.080 moment he was detained,

00:23:01.000 my children and I were

00:23:01.900 sad and worried.

00:23:02.880 He's always been a

00:23:03.860 loving, reliable

00:23:04.760 partner and father.

00:23:06.300 We struggled without him

00:23:07.660 emotionally and

00:23:08.380 economically.

00:23:09.120 That loving partner

00:23:10.400 accused.

00:23:11.300 Yeah.

00:23:11.520 Repeatedly of domestic

00:23:13.240 violence against this

00:23:15.420 spouse.

00:23:16.780 And we don't yet have the

00:23:18.200 details, but I guarantee

00:23:19.360 you we're going to get

00:23:20.660 them.

00:23:21.380 And what that does,

00:23:22.740 Batya, is it undermines

00:23:24.180 this woman's credibility

00:23:27.140 entirely.

00:23:29.440 She at least two that

00:23:31.080 we've found so far

00:23:32.300 records of alleged

00:23:33.800 domestic violence.

00:23:34.960 How did we find that

00:23:35.860 out from her?

00:23:36.960 Undoubtedly.

00:23:38.560 This is not some

00:23:39.640 sweetheart, like loving

00:23:41.660 kid who the Trump

00:23:43.200 administration is just

00:23:44.100 picking on.

00:23:44.660 This guy was found by

00:23:45.620 two courts to have

00:23:46.980 ties to MSN, MS

00:23:48.500 13, to be in MS

00:23:50.520 13.

00:23:51.240 And now we see an

00:23:53.160 accused serial

00:23:54.140 domestic abuser.

00:23:56.400 One of the horrific

00:23:57.880 things about Biden's

00:23:59.660 open border policy and

00:24:01.560 in general, the, you

00:24:03.340 know, handshake

00:24:04.000 agreement between both

00:24:05.120 parties until Trump

00:24:06.020 showed up that we

00:24:06.780 should have masses of

00:24:08.380 illegal immigrants

00:24:09.200 coming into this

00:24:09.840 country, is that in the

00:24:11.840 name of some sort of

00:24:13.520 compassion for the

00:24:14.800 global indigent, we

00:24:17.400 should bring these

00:24:17.960 people in.

00:24:19.000 What actually happened,

00:24:20.440 which Trump understands

00:24:21.680 intuitively somehow, is

00:24:23.660 that we have

00:24:24.160 incentivized immense

00:24:26.020 amounts of cruelty.

00:24:28.420 And we've done that to

00:24:29.480 our own citizens in the

00:24:30.760 form of plunging

00:24:32.860 wages because suddenly

00:24:34.260 there's a lot of

00:24:34.960 competition for jobs.

00:24:36.620 And we've done it in the

00:24:37.960 form of cruelty to the

00:24:39.220 people crossing the

00:24:40.340 Darien Gap.

00:24:41.260 A third of the women

00:24:42.740 who do so admit to

00:24:44.620 being raped.

00:24:45.620 So you can imagine

00:24:46.460 what the actual number

00:24:47.540 is.

00:24:48.280 Those people become

00:24:49.340 enslaved to the

00:24:50.320 cartels once they get

00:24:51.400 here.

00:24:52.160 And because of the

00:24:53.700 threat of deportation

00:24:54.860 for something like

00:24:55.560 domestic violence,

00:24:57.260 women do not report

00:24:58.700 it when an illegal

00:25:00.480 migrant husband beats

00:25:02.460 the crap out of them.

00:25:03.820 Because what's

00:25:04.840 supposed to happen

00:25:05.680 when you commit a

00:25:07.020 vicious crime like that

00:25:08.480 is you're supposed to

00:25:09.440 get deported.

00:25:10.120 So the fact that this

00:25:11.920 woman actually twice

00:25:13.880 seems to have gone to

00:25:15.720 the authorities about

00:25:16.880 the domestic abuse

00:25:18.140 she was suffering at

00:25:19.100 the hands of her

00:25:19.600 husband, that's not

00:25:20.860 actually the norm.

00:25:22.500 Because many women

00:25:23.900 don't do that because

00:25:25.420 they would rather

00:25:26.280 suffer it than see

00:25:27.500 their husband deported.

00:25:28.940 Now the question is

00:25:29.760 why was he not

00:25:30.840 deported for the two

00:25:31.980 times that he beat

00:25:33.300 the crap out of his

00:25:34.300 wife?

00:25:34.660 I would like to know.

00:25:36.200 I mean there was so

00:25:37.380 much that went wrong

00:25:39.020 here.

00:25:39.280 Allegedly.

00:25:40.120 So much that went

00:25:41.500 wrong here.

00:25:42.620 Megan, I read that

00:25:43.560 the stay of deportation

00:25:45.480 was not just that he

00:25:47.380 would get killed by a

00:25:48.660 rival gang, but the

00:25:50.460 word rival being

00:25:51.660 crucial there, right?

00:25:52.780 That was part of the

00:25:53.760 proof that he was in

00:25:55.300 MS-13, right?

00:25:56.880 So he was allowed to

00:25:58.620 stay on the grounds

00:26:00.300 that he belonged to a

00:26:02.620 gang.

00:26:03.140 I mean the immigration

00:26:04.580 system, the court

00:26:05.920 system is so messed up

00:26:09.120 here, and the Democrats

00:26:10.460 are acting like because

00:26:12.020 these activists in the

00:26:13.700 system, from the lawyers

00:26:15.780 to the judges, shirked

00:26:18.320 their responsibility,

00:26:20.740 therefore Trump is at

00:26:22.980 fault for carrying it

00:26:25.320 out.

00:26:26.060 And I just have to say,

00:26:27.620 Megan, I hope the

00:26:28.980 Democrats keep white

00:26:30.580 knighting for Hamas

00:26:32.360 defenders and for people

00:26:35.480 who beat up their wives,

00:26:36.760 for people who

00:26:37.660 belonged to gangs, to

00:26:39.960 illegal immigrants, because

00:26:41.380 this is a losing issue

00:26:43.840 and they don't know it

00:26:45.460 because their base is the

00:26:48.640 top 20% who loves this

00:26:51.200 stuff, right?

00:26:51.920 They cannot see that the

00:26:54.800 majority of people in

00:26:56.220 America, this just is not

00:26:58.360 going to bother them

00:27:00.400 because this person is not

00:27:02.480 a good person and they

00:27:04.140 don't want him for a

00:27:05.180 neighbor.

00:27:05.700 Now, if you turn on any of

00:27:06.860 the liberal channels, you'll

00:27:08.260 see, you know, the elites

00:27:09.540 sitting there saying, well,

00:27:10.660 you know, maybe, maybe I

00:27:12.280 don't want him for a

00:27:13.120 neighbor, but we should

00:27:14.260 adjudicate that in a

00:27:15.420 court.

00:27:15.820 That's because he'll never

00:27:17.120 be your neighbor.

00:27:19.040 He'll be some working

00:27:20.300 class American's neighbor

00:27:22.000 whose children have to

00:27:23.460 play with his kids who

00:27:24.980 know that his mom, their

00:27:26.100 mom is being beat up by

00:27:27.260 their dad, allegedly.

00:27:28.720 We'll see what, what, what

00:27:29.720 the details are there.

00:27:31.060 And it's just so

00:27:32.340 disgusting, the elitism

00:27:33.820 here.

00:27:34.500 You have, um, United

00:27:36.260 States senators getting

00:27:38.260 on planes to white

00:27:40.700 night for this person.

00:27:42.040 Let's, let's talk about

00:27:42.760 that.

00:27:43.320 Let me show that.

00:27:44.280 So, uh, Senator Chris

00:27:45.600 Van Hollen of Maryland,

00:27:46.740 which is, you know, he's

00:27:47.320 just a Maryland dad.

00:27:48.060 That's all just a sweet

00:27:49.020 Maryland dad that Trump's

00:27:49.960 picking on.

00:27:50.780 Um, he decided to go to

00:27:53.660 El Salvador.

00:27:54.880 I can't wait to see how

00:27:55.960 this works out, frankly.

00:27:57.240 Um, and he thinks he's

00:27:58.500 going to storm the prison,

00:27:59.420 I guess, and like do

00:28:00.280 firsthand reporting on

00:28:01.240 it.

00:28:01.660 Oh, good luck with that,

00:28:02.860 sir.

00:28:03.200 Take your chances because

00:28:04.340 I don't think you want to

00:28:05.240 mess around with

00:28:06.000 President Bukele.

00:28:07.060 Um, here he is posting a

00:28:08.340 video from the airport

00:28:09.020 explaining the trip.

00:28:11.180 I'm here at the airport.

00:28:12.260 I'm about to board my

00:28:13.700 flight for San Salvador.

00:28:15.200 The goal of this mission is

00:28:17.200 to let the Trump

00:28:18.380 administration, to let the

00:28:19.820 government of El Salvador

00:28:20.860 know that we are going to

00:28:23.080 keep fighting to bring

00:28:24.720 Albrego Garcia home until he

00:28:28.240 returns to his family.

00:28:29.760 I hope to meet with

00:28:31.100 representatives of the

00:28:32.520 government.

00:28:33.000 I hope to have the chance to

00:28:34.340 actually see Kilmar and see

00:28:37.280 what his condition is.

00:28:38.240 But we are going to keep

00:28:40.040 fighting because this is a

00:28:41.860 miscarriage of justice.

00:28:42.880 This is about due process.

00:28:44.420 This is about rule of law.

00:28:45.960 What bullies do is they begin

00:28:48.180 by picking on the most

00:28:49.500 vulnerable.

00:28:50.700 But if we get rid of the

00:28:51.700 rule of law, due process,

00:28:52.980 the United States, it's a

00:28:54.580 short road from there to

00:28:56.400 tyranny.

00:28:57.580 Yeah, like their wives.

00:28:59.180 That is what bullies do.

00:29:00.660 They pick on the most

00:29:01.580 vulnerable.

00:29:01.920 And, you know, sometimes they

00:29:03.100 have repeated instances of

00:29:05.060 beating the shit out of the

00:29:06.740 person they're supposed to

00:29:07.600 love most.

00:29:08.980 I don't know whether

00:29:09.520 Albrego Garcia did that in

00:29:11.320 this case, but I'm looking

00:29:12.180 at two Maryland court

00:29:13.260 records in which his wife,

00:29:15.620 I don't know if they were

00:29:16.560 married at the time, but the

00:29:17.540 same woman, Jennifer

00:29:18.640 Vasquez, that he's with now

00:29:20.920 filed for a protective

00:29:22.180 order against him for

00:29:23.440 domestic violence.

00:29:25.040 He's not the only one.

00:29:26.380 I'll give you one more and

00:29:27.180 they'll give you the floor.

00:29:28.020 Senator Chris Murphy from

00:29:29.140 my new adopted home state of

00:29:30.780 Connecticut, never now to

00:29:31.980 miss an opportunity to put

00:29:33.340 himself in front of a

00:29:34.040 camera now that he's

00:29:35.100 sleeping with some

00:29:36.560 hack PR person.

00:29:38.600 This is him weighing in.

00:29:41.120 This is the constitutional

00:29:42.480 crisis.

00:29:43.680 It's the confrontation

00:29:44.720 between the court saying

00:29:46.360 that the president has to

00:29:48.480 bring Albrego Garcia back

00:29:49.840 home and Trump refusing to

00:29:51.640 do it.

00:29:52.020 And why should this matter

00:29:53.400 to you?

00:29:53.860 Because if the president

00:29:55.220 has the power to jail and

00:29:57.020 prison, to deport anyone,

00:29:59.780 even if they have a legal

00:30:01.140 right to be here as a

00:30:02.420 citizen or through

00:30:03.580 protected status given by

00:30:05.780 the courts, then none of

00:30:07.460 us are safe.

00:30:08.420 Today, it's this El

00:30:09.700 Salvadorian immigrant, but

00:30:11.120 tomorrow it could be you

00:30:12.940 or me.

00:30:14.260 This matters.

00:30:16.060 This matters.

00:30:17.120 This is the one power that

00:30:18.600 we cannot give the

00:30:19.820 president of the United

00:30:20.740 States, the ability to take

00:30:22.720 any of us off the street and

00:30:24.780 imprison us just because the

00:30:27.300 president believes he has the

00:30:28.980 power, a power that he does

00:30:30.040 not have.

00:30:30.540 Okay, so I just want to say

00:30:33.100 one thing to you in tossing

00:30:34.060 this.

00:30:34.740 That man is so disrespectful

00:30:37.520 because what he's really

00:30:38.600 assuming and projecting there

00:30:40.000 is that he thinks people are

00:30:42.520 idiots.

00:30:43.740 He's taking advantage of

00:30:45.940 people who have to work all

00:30:47.180 day to put food on the table

00:30:48.860 and manage their children and

00:30:50.800 their busy lives who do not

00:30:52.540 have eight to ten hours a day to

00:30:54.280 research the news and figure

00:30:56.000 out, you know, where Chris

00:30:57.560 Murphy is lying to them.

00:30:58.740 And the suggestion in any

00:31:01.080 way, shape or form that an

00:31:02.820 American has been grabbed,

00:31:06.120 arrested and shipped off to

00:31:08.080 El Salvador is a lie.

00:31:10.620 And he's banking on them just

00:31:13.240 not having that intimate

00:31:14.780 connection with the details of

00:31:16.420 the story like this.

00:31:17.820 Marilyn dad to know he's lying

00:31:20.820 to them as he tries to scare

00:31:22.740 them in a court of law.

00:31:24.240 An objection would have been

00:31:25.500 sustained.

00:31:26.400 The entire commentary would

00:31:27.760 have been stricken.

00:31:28.740 And he would have been

00:31:29.420 admonished by the judge not to

00:31:31.380 actively mislead the jury.

00:31:34.120 You're exactly right.

00:31:35.220 Of course, there is no slippery

00:31:37.100 slope between a non-citizen who

00:31:40.160 committed a felony and entering

00:31:42.040 this country and a citizen of the

00:31:44.440 United States.

00:31:45.300 The only people trying to make a

00:31:47.120 slippery slope between citizens

00:31:49.280 and non-citizens are the

00:31:50.580 Democrats, because that has been

00:31:52.320 their agenda for the last 40

00:31:54.800 years.

00:31:55.360 They are the ones who want there

00:31:57.180 to be no legal difference.

00:31:58.740 They want an open border.

00:32:00.300 They want an endless supply of

00:32:02.260 slave labor to watch their

00:32:04.420 children and clean their homes and

00:32:06.080 do their landscaping and work in

00:32:08.060 the fields and pick the crops, as

00:32:09.660 Nancy Pelosi famously put it.

00:32:11.720 They are the ones.

00:32:12.580 This is their wishful thinking, that

00:32:14.820 there would be a slippery slope

00:32:16.700 between a citizen and a non-citizen.

00:32:19.140 Average Americans know that being an

00:32:21.260 American citizen, indeed, being allowed

00:32:23.540 to live legally on United States soil is

00:32:26.500 the greatest privilege on planet Earth, and

00:32:30.040 that you can't just decide that there's going

00:32:32.520 to be a slippery slope there.

00:32:34.200 No, there is a legal distinction upon

00:32:36.820 which every single one of our civil

00:32:39.640 rights rests, that there is a difference

00:32:42.660 between being an American and being a

00:32:44.580 non-American.

00:32:45.760 Now, why do the Democrats insist so

00:32:48.200 strongly that there should be a slippery

00:32:50.500 slope there?

00:32:51.100 Not just that there is, but that they

00:32:52.520 want there to be one.

00:32:53.760 Why are they insisting that in Donald

00:32:56.800 Trump enforcing the law and doing what he

00:33:00.160 promised the American people and getting

00:33:02.560 rid of violent non-citizens, that this

00:33:05.180 somehow threatens Americans?

00:33:07.080 Why do they insist that in deporting a

00:33:09.640 green card holder who lied on his green

00:33:11.560 card and supports Hamas and supports

00:33:13.920 ending America, that this could happen

00:33:16.100 to an American citizen?

00:33:17.560 It's because, Megan...

00:33:18.600 That's Mahmoud Khalil.

00:33:19.560 Mahmoud Khalil.

00:33:20.800 Just to keep it straight, that's a

00:33:21.900 separate case, the guy out of Colombia.

00:33:23.200 Keep going.

00:33:23.480 Exactly.

00:33:24.380 Their entire agenda right now is

00:33:26.440 coast-playing.

00:33:28.100 Their base are the top 10%, the top 20%,

00:33:31.860 the people who show up at Coachella to hear

00:33:34.220 Bernie Sanders speak, the people who show

00:33:36.520 up to hear AOC speak.

00:33:38.620 These are wealthy people.

00:33:40.500 They are in the top 10%, which controls over

00:33:42.720 60% of the wealth in this country.

00:33:44.980 They don't have real problems.

00:33:48.100 And so what they do is they have to look

00:33:50.660 for other people's problems to pretend that

00:33:53.820 they have.

00:33:55.020 We talked about this during the election.

00:33:57.160 This is why Democratic women, wealthy, middle-aged

00:34:00.080 Democratic women made, you know, third-trimester

00:34:02.980 abortions their number one issue.

00:34:05.340 It's because it allows them to cosplay as the

00:34:08.660 oppressed.

00:34:09.900 They know at some level that they are

00:34:11.540 unbelievably privileged, and they know because

00:34:14.260 they can see the polls that Donald Trump has

00:34:16.560 made the case to working-class Americans of

00:34:19.340 all races that he has their best interests at

00:34:22.200 heart, that he stands for the dignity of the

00:34:24.620 American working class.

00:34:25.780 That's what the tariffs are about.

00:34:27.100 That's what immigration is about.

00:34:29.320 That's what getting trans women out of women's

00:34:31.720 sports is about.

00:34:32.860 It's about the dignity of the average American.

00:34:36.420 And the Democrats, in realizing that they have

00:34:38.840 lost touch with that great American middle, have

00:34:43.240 to invent ways in which they are the ones who are

00:34:46.520 on the side of the oppressed.

00:34:48.240 Hence the magical slippery slope that if Donald Trump

00:34:51.920 deports an alleged wife beater or somebody who supports

00:34:56.480 Hamas, people who are not American citizens and don't

00:34:59.900 have the rights of American citizens, that he could be

00:35:02.620 coming for you, you wealthy people at Coachella.

00:35:06.620 You are a potential victim.

00:35:09.280 Your rights are being, you know, oppressed.

00:35:11.760 You are the real victim here.

00:35:13.320 That's what they're trying to do here.

00:35:15.400 And of course, it's going to fall flat.

00:35:16.960 It's going to work with the top 10 percent because that's

00:35:19.220 really what they want to hear, that they are the true

00:35:21.060 oppressed.

00:35:21.860 But this is going to get the Democrats nowhere.

00:35:24.580 You know, there's a meme I keep thinking about, you

00:35:26.660 know, this anime meme of the young man standing like

00:35:29.280 this and there's a butterfly, you know, it's like he's

00:35:32.280 the Democrats and they're looking at like, you know,

00:35:35.160 these these ne'er-do-wells, you know, these illegals who

00:35:37.760 came here illegally broke the law, you know, and they are

00:35:41.540 standing for them.

00:35:42.380 And I just keep thinking this is them like being like, is

00:35:44.780 this how we get back the working class?

00:35:46.960 No, it's not how you get back the working class.

00:35:50.240 No, 73 percent of men who voted for Trump, men who are

00:35:54.380 people of color.

00:35:56.020 This is from Ryan Gerderski.

00:35:57.580 He's great on the polls.

00:35:59.240 He found that 73 percent of non-white men who voted for

00:36:03.960 Trump want to see radically less immigration.

00:36:08.600 And it's because it comes at their expense.

00:36:10.940 Their American dream was put on hold so that the Democrats

00:36:14.180 could walk around white knighting for illegal migrants and

00:36:17.620 they've had enough of it.

00:36:19.040 And that number, Megan, is growing and growing and

00:36:21.940 growing.

00:36:23.060 I mean, I care about the working class and I want them to

00:36:25.760 have better job prospects.

00:36:27.140 But I also care about the safety of young women like

00:36:31.080 Laken Riley, like this 37 year old mom, Rachel Morin, who's

00:36:35.420 killed on a jog, mother of five by an illegal who was harboring

00:36:40.480 there, who raped her and beat her to death.

00:36:44.340 And Caroline Levitt was making this point perfectly the other day

00:36:48.500 at the White House.

00:36:49.000 I think it was yesterday about how they're very, very concerned

00:36:52.700 about Abrego Garcia getting his proper due process.

00:36:56.440 They don't say one word, not one word about the Laken Riley's or

00:37:01.800 the Rachel Morins of the world.

00:37:03.160 Here she is.

00:37:04.660 The Democrat in media outrage over the deportation of Abrego

00:37:08.020 Garcia, an MS-13 El Salvadorian, illegal alien criminal who is

00:37:13.380 hiding in Maryland, has been nothing short of despicable.

00:37:16.840 Based on the sensationalism of many of the people in this room,

00:37:20.140 you would think we deported a candidate for father of the year.

00:37:23.760 That's because, unfortunately, many in this country care more

00:37:26.920 about this quote unquote Maryland father, a legal alien MS-13 gang

00:37:31.760 member than a Maryland mother and an American citizen who was

00:37:35.760 brutally murdered at the hands of a different illegal alien.

00:37:39.060 Of course, I am referring to Rachel Morin.

00:37:43.420 Where was the Maryland senator's trip on her behalf, showboating on her

00:37:50.180 behalf?

00:37:50.480 Where was Chris Murphy speaking out so that we all understood the dangers

00:37:54.200 of Joe Biden's illegal immigration policy, that actual American women were

00:37:59.860 being killed as they go for a jog to try to stay fit where I don't remember

00:38:06.080 them making a deal out of those.

00:38:07.840 And is that because what bigotry of low expectations?

00:38:11.280 They just expect these guys are, you know, they're they're animals.

00:38:15.300 They're going to kill.

00:38:16.660 If so, why would you why would you on an open border?

00:38:19.800 Right.

00:38:19.960 It's like none of it is congruous other than they see in a story, as you

00:38:24.320 point out, and they see an opportunity to advance themselves.

00:38:30.320 Oh, I could not agree with you more.

00:38:32.000 I mean, these people at this point, they would give a kidney to get a retweet

00:38:34.940 from AOC, you know, like that.

00:38:37.000 This is they've decided this is the direction that the party is going in.

00:38:40.080 I actually like her.

00:38:41.260 I think that she's very genuine and really believes what she has to say.

00:38:44.640 If the Democrats cannot figure out that illegal immigration is a huge problem that came at

00:38:50.900 the expense of people who used to be their voters and now are Trump's voters because

00:38:55.620 he looked at them and said, you have a right to demand better.

00:38:58.900 They're never, ever, ever going to be competitive again.

00:39:02.680 You know, they have a lot of like, you know, they seem to understand that they have a problem.

00:39:08.040 But this is the one thing that they just will not they can't quit illegal immigrants.

00:39:14.480 And I think, Megan, the reason for that is like, unlike Donald Trump, who very successfully

00:39:19.120 sidelined the elites of his party over the last 10 years, and especially during the last

00:39:23.660 campaign, all of the Democratic funding is now bound up with very privileged white progressives

00:39:32.180 who really support the open border, both for economic and for social reasons.

00:39:37.020 But also, you know, the Soros Foundation, the Ford Foundation, all of these NGOs that have

00:39:43.980 a very, very open borders mentality.

00:39:47.660 They don't believe borders are real.

00:39:49.140 They don't believe in nation states.

00:39:50.800 They don't believe in national borders.

00:39:52.840 And of course, this is the most elite thing possible.

00:39:56.420 There are millions of Americans who the only thing they have in their life that gives them

00:40:01.680 pride is their American identity.

00:40:04.460 They are proud to belong to this, the greatest nation on planet Earth.

00:40:10.220 And that is the thing that the elites cannot stand for them to have, that they want to rob

00:40:16.080 them of.

00:40:16.840 And of course, the way you rob them of that is you dilute it by having an open border and

00:40:20.940 having a marketplace that welcomes in millions of people to compete with working class people

00:40:25.380 in the marketplace.

00:40:26.280 It does dilute our rights.

00:40:28.580 The idea that you could have somebody here who is, you know, claiming to have the same

00:40:33.680 legal protections as a citizen is a way of saying the citizenship itself should not count

00:40:40.260 for anything.

00:40:40.880 And I think all good people should say no to that.

00:40:44.240 I have a point that I want to raise with you.

00:40:46.460 But before I get to it, I just want to point out if again, we haven't independently verified

00:40:51.320 these court records, but Andy Ngo found them.

00:40:54.080 Fox News is reporting them now at least to one from 2021 from 2021 in which Jennifer Vasquez

00:41:01.880 is accusing a man who has the same name, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, and it shows his birthday is

00:41:09.560 1995, which is his birthday.

00:41:11.200 I mean, maybe there are two couples that are that unite Jennifer Vasquez and Kilmar Abrego

00:41:17.380 Garcia with his same birth date.

00:41:19.460 I doubt it.

00:41:20.380 We'll find out if we're wrong.

00:41:21.960 We'll correct it.

00:41:24.160 So that would have been a 2020 and a 2021 domestic violence incident bad enough to make her go

00:41:29.280 in and seek a protective order against him alleging serious domestic violence.

00:41:33.060 He, his, when he was found, uh, alleged, allegedly engaging in some sort of activity that led them

00:41:39.960 to believe he was arrestable and part of MSN 13 was 2019.

00:41:44.440 He was in there.

00:41:46.100 He was found to be part of this gang of the appellate court in the immigration system,

00:41:50.500 agreed part of the gang deportable.

00:41:52.960 And then he, you know, pleaded for mercy saying, well, please just don't deport me to El Salvador.

00:41:57.140 You know, they're going to kill me there.

00:41:58.060 Oh, poor me.

00:41:58.700 And of course we said, okay, fine, you don't have to go.

00:42:01.120 So this would have been within months.

00:42:03.700 The first incident would have been within months of us going soft on him, of, of our

00:42:09.820 courts saying, give him a chance.

00:42:12.420 We don't want him to get hurt.

00:42:14.320 We're not going to send him back there.

00:42:16.380 And then if, if this dovetails the way it looks like it does, according to these documents,

00:42:20.540 he was wailing on his wife in 2020 and then again in 2021, and then he gets arrested and

00:42:26.580 sent out by Trump and it's back to, oh, poor guy.

00:42:29.860 Oh, it's just, it's infuriating.

00:42:32.440 But I want to get to your bigger point because it's important about how these, these, these

00:42:37.820 judges are trying to take the matter in hand, that the Democrats are trying to stop the Trump

00:42:43.300 agenda of removing the millions that Joe Biden willingly, happily, purposefully allowed in.

00:42:51.900 On Monday, a federal judge halted the Trump administration's plan to revoke the legal status

00:43:00.680 and work permits of more than half a million migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela,

00:43:10.340 who we flew here.

00:43:12.060 We flew here under a Biden era, quote, parole program.

00:43:17.640 He flew them in saying, I'll give you legal protection and I will let you work in the United

00:43:23.520 States for two years.

00:43:25.460 And no sooner had he begun that program than they are.

00:43:30.220 They ran into problems.

00:43:31.180 Some data from the program showing evidence of fraud.

00:43:34.020 One review found that at least 3,200 people applied to sponsor immigrants.

00:43:41.400 And it's really supposed to be like a direct relationship, but they sponsored over 101,000

00:43:45.520 immigrants.

00:43:46.440 So it's clearly these government NGOs or dare I say the Catholic church saying, I'll be responsible

00:43:52.960 for him.

00:43:53.400 I'll be responsible for him.

00:43:54.520 But 3,000 people cannot monitor 101,000 as alleged here.

00:43:59.300 The Trump administration looking at this program also alleges that it was very poor vetting.

00:44:04.680 We have no idea who he allowed in.

00:44:06.980 Almost 3 million of these applications were filed, excuse me, as of last August, including

00:44:12.320 80,000 from aliens living in countries other than those that I listed.

00:44:17.720 So they're not even supposed to be considered.

00:44:19.980 This is all according to a House Judiciary Committee report.

00:44:23.660 And concerns of fraud were so bad that they even led Biden's Department of Homeland Security

00:44:28.800 to suspend temporarily this program for several weeks last year.

00:44:33.140 Now a judge has said, you can't do it.

00:44:36.400 They have to stay.

00:44:37.600 You might be able to suspend their legal status here, Mr. Trump, if you give them an individual

00:44:44.600 case-by-case review, which no one got on the way in.

00:44:49.760 But now we want, they just want to tie him up for the next four years with all of this

00:44:57.160 procedural bullshit.

00:44:59.200 They got flown in summarily and they can be flown out summarily.

00:45:02.880 There's a new sheriff in town.

00:45:04.500 But no, no says this judge.

00:45:07.100 I think they're wrong on the, on the legal merits.

00:45:09.740 John, you were saying yesterday, you made a really good point, which is that this parole

00:45:13.520 program is always at the request of the president and can be revoked at any moment.

00:45:19.300 You're totally right.

00:45:20.080 They just want to keep them in court, keep them from enacting the agenda that the president

00:45:24.620 was put in office to enact by the voters of this country.

00:45:30.560 You know, Megan, I keep thinking if this was 2016, back then the Democrats sort of mass

00:45:36.740 media approach to opposing the Trump administration worked a lot better.

00:45:43.320 Remember the whole like family separation thing, you know, that was in the New York Times and

00:45:48.180 then it was on CNN and MSNBC.

00:45:49.880 And suddenly, you know, the Trump administration had to back off because there was this huge

00:45:53.940 outcry.

00:45:54.660 And I think today we are just in a totally different moment because the voters, the electorate,

00:46:00.400 the American people was able to see what happens when you have somebody like Joe Biden

00:46:04.660 just basically decriminalized illegal border crossing, which is what he did, which is what

00:46:09.120 he promised he was going to do during the campaign.

00:46:11.300 And what an absolute mess it made.

00:46:14.020 And the most horrifying part about it is this to me.

00:46:17.220 I mean, obviously, the crimes that are committed against American citizens, I agree with you,

00:46:21.840 totally horrifying.

00:46:22.660 But let's remember why Biden did this.

00:46:25.900 It's because American corporations were desperate for workers in the post-pandemic labor crunch,

00:46:32.060 and they didn't want to pay American workers what they were asking for.

00:46:35.980 And so Biden partnered with the cartels to open the border and provide American corporations

00:46:43.260 with slave labor to the tune of millions and millions and millions of illegal immigrants.

00:46:49.860 And when that chaos threatened his reelection campaign, they said, you know what?

00:46:54.500 We don't actually need the cartels anymore.

00:46:56.080 We're just going to legally start importing these people to these corporations so they

00:47:00.700 can pay them slave wages and not have to pay Americans more money.

00:47:04.680 I think Biden felt, well, this will bring down inflation.

00:47:08.040 Now, the problem with this is that, you know, we actually should want working class Americans

00:47:14.220 to make a living wage.

00:47:15.900 I mean, that used to be the Democrats view.

00:47:18.180 We have to control immigration because a tight labor market uses the free market in order

00:47:24.820 to raise wages for working class people and give them dignity.

00:47:29.040 And that's why in the 70s, most Americans were middle class because people who worked in

00:47:34.900 meatpacking plants and people who were manicurists and people who worked in construction were able

00:47:41.560 to command a living wage.

00:47:43.480 They were able to make a middle class wage, working and working class jobs.

00:47:49.540 And now thanks to the Democrats who still have the chutzpah to cosplay as the side of labor,

00:47:56.300 we shipped all these good manufacturing jobs overseas to China to build up their middle class.

00:48:01.400 We imported millions and millions of low wage illegal immigrants to work in the jobs here,

00:48:07.420 radically reducing the wages that working class people could ask for.

00:48:11.060 And it was Donald Trump, a Republican, who showed up and said, you do not have to live

00:48:17.900 like this.

00:48:18.520 If you work hard, you shouldn't be poor.

00:48:21.560 So what about the inflation argument, right?

00:48:23.440 People will say, oh, well, if we pay working class people a living wage, then all of these

00:48:27.780 goods are going to become unaffordable.

00:48:29.980 Well, notice that what Donald Trump has done is he took a bunch of very pro-worker policies

00:48:35.520 like tariffs and controlling the border to raise the wages of working class people.

00:48:40.620 And he has paired them with a host of very pro-business things that are coming down the

00:48:48.100 pike.

00:48:48.540 We have radical deregulation.

00:48:51.400 We're going to have cheap energy because of drill, baby, drill.

00:48:55.280 We have tax cuts coming.

00:48:57.180 And he has promised anybody who reshores manufacturing that he will drop their corporate taxes to

00:49:02.480 15 percent.

00:49:03.720 That combination of being pro-business on the one side and pro-worker on the other side,

00:49:09.660 this is genius.

00:49:11.280 And this is why the Democrats can't stand him because they didn't think of this first.

00:49:15.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:16.340 Like there's no tax on tips policy.

00:49:17.940 They came to it too late and then tried to steal it as their own, but they haven't been

00:49:21.220 smart enough to do that in the overall sense.

00:49:23.920 Um, March, 2025 numbers at the border, lowest crossings in U S history.

00:49:32.460 Thanks to Donald Trump.

00:49:33.960 We have had a 95% decrease from March of 2024.

00:49:39.480 And when it comes to those we have, uh, apprehended and, um, yeah, those that we've apprehended.

00:49:46.800 And by the way, March of 2024, that was right around when Joe Biden actually did try to start

00:49:51.420 making an effort at the Southern border because he realized his reelection chances were going to

00:49:55.300 depend on it.

00:49:56.880 Um, in March of 2024, the numbers crossing the border were about 4,500 a day under Joe Biden.

00:50:04.560 Now it's less than 330 a day, uh, for the entire month.

00:50:10.860 It was a hundred and about 40,000 for the month under Trump is about 8,300.

00:50:16.500 It's unbelievable.

00:50:18.440 It was stoppable all along just by him.

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00:52:06.380 This just in breaking news.

00:52:12.660 Judge Boesberg, who thinks that he's the president of the United States, he's the chief district

00:52:18.500 court judge for the district of Washington, D.C.

00:52:22.660 has just found that there's probable cause.

00:52:28.320 He says, let me get the language exact.

00:52:30.540 He said he would launch proceedings to determine whether to hold the Trump administration, its

00:52:36.340 officials in criminal contempt for defying his order not to remove Venezuelan migrants

00:52:42.700 from America based on the wartime alien enemies act.

00:52:46.020 This is all based this he's drunk on his own power.

00:52:50.360 This is all based on the fact that Trump decided to use the alien enemies act, which,

00:52:57.420 by the way, the Supreme Court has already implicitly said, OK, that's good.

00:53:01.480 He can.

00:53:02.280 I mean, we're not going to we're not going to chastise him on that.

00:53:04.440 And now there'll be further proceedings.

00:53:06.520 But he decided to use it.

00:53:09.320 And the ACLU ran into court before Judge Boesberg because they knew they could get a sympathetic

00:53:15.140 judge.

00:53:15.560 They did not go into Texas where the detainees were that they were allegedly representing

00:53:20.340 and trying to fight for.

00:53:21.880 That's where they should have gone.

00:53:23.300 That's what the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately held.

00:53:25.180 They went to D.C. because they knew they could get a judge.

00:53:27.080 They're all like Boesberg.

00:53:28.360 He's a dime a dozen.

00:53:30.140 These leftist activist judges.

00:53:32.760 And they got a ruling from him saying, first of all, he said, no, no plane should take off

00:53:38.720 orally.

00:53:39.300 He said no plane should take off.

00:53:40.820 What?

00:53:41.440 Who are you?

00:53:42.600 Fuck off, Judge Boesberg.

00:53:43.900 This is Marco Rubio's call and President Trump's call on whether the foreign policy of the

00:53:50.840 United States requires these people to be deported and whether the safety and security

00:53:54.240 of the American people requires that they to be deported.

00:53:56.620 And the commander in chief ruled that they were part of an incursion or an invasion and

00:54:01.060 he had powers to order them out.

00:54:03.700 Judge Boesberg said, no, I'm higher than you are on the totem pole.

00:54:06.500 No planes can take off.

00:54:07.800 And that was not put in writing.

00:54:10.480 And there is a real question about whether any sort of temporary restraining order has

00:54:13.340 has to be put in writing for it to be valid.

00:54:16.140 Wasn't put in writing until several hours later that day.

00:54:18.260 And at the time it was put in writing.

00:54:19.720 Two planes were already in the air and in international airspace, and they refused to

00:54:24.120 turn them around.

00:54:24.980 The third plane is really not relevant.

00:54:26.740 It did take off much later from the written order, but it didn't have anybody on it pursuant

00:54:31.220 to the alien enemies act.

00:54:32.440 So it's really less relevant, but he's getting ready to hold them in criminal contempt for

00:54:37.300 not turning those planes around as he ordered.

00:54:40.880 And I presume not.

00:54:42.480 And for allowing them to take off in the first place.

00:54:45.640 And, um, I don't even know.

00:54:47.060 We talked about this with our lawyer panel the other day about you, but like, I don't

00:54:50.140 know how you hold, I don't know how you hold the president in criminal contempt.

00:54:54.160 Like, what's he going to do?

00:54:55.440 He's going to.

00:54:56.080 So are we in a world where like the Democrats want a Brigo Garcia free and Trump jailed?

00:55:00.400 I think we all know the answer to that.

00:55:04.020 You know what I keep thinking, Megan?

00:55:05.600 I keep thinking like, you know, they tried to get him on 91 counts and like, look at where

00:55:12.180 we are now.

00:55:13.700 You know, maybe just take a beat.

00:55:15.380 You know, this Khalil Mahmoud guy, they hold him up as some sort of, you know, oh, he's

00:55:21.900 being deported because of his views.

00:55:23.860 This is a free speech issue.

00:55:25.520 And then it turns out if you had just waited like, you know, 10 minutes, you would have

00:55:29.440 found out that this guy actually lied on his visa application, right?

00:55:33.580 This guy, right?

00:55:34.860 This Garcia fellow who they're holding up as this Maryland father.

00:55:39.040 Well, maybe wait a minute and find out, you know, a little bit more about this person before

00:55:43.940 you decide to nominate him for like, you know, the avatar of the Democratic Party.

00:55:48.260 And they just can't seem to understand that there is a real logic here.

00:55:55.420 Donald Trump is not a careful speaker.

00:55:58.240 But everything he has done since he got into office has been unbelievably intentional.

00:56:04.820 You know, they lost in 2020 and they sat at home and for four years they plotted.

00:56:09.680 I feel like you can really see this with Jason Miller, right?

00:56:12.840 And with that, with Stephen Miller, this is a guy who sat at home for four years and plotted

00:56:19.960 how he was going to restore America to its greatness through using legal avenues to enact

00:56:27.680 the Trump agenda that is wildly popular with the American people.

00:56:31.680 And that is what they did.

00:56:32.620 And that is what they are doing.

00:56:33.720 And the Democrats are acting like it's 2016, people are shooting from the hip and that you

00:56:39.240 can get a story in the New York Times and shut down the agenda.

00:56:42.860 And we are just in a totally different moment.

00:56:45.480 I think Trump was really changed by the assassination attempts on him.

00:56:48.920 But also, Megan, I think he was changed by the level of support that he sees from the people.

00:56:56.160 You know, in 2016, he knew that what he wanted to do was popular, but he couldn't quite

00:57:01.020 get that across.

00:57:02.100 In 2025, he knows that what he wants to do is popular and he knows that the people know

00:57:08.200 it.

00:57:08.680 And I think that that confidence is really coming across and it is forcing the Democrats

00:57:15.280 into unforced error after unforced error after unforced error.

00:57:19.420 I mean, you don't need a consultant to tell you, don't white knight for the criminal illegal

00:57:25.120 aliens.

00:57:25.900 And yet, Megan, they just can't seem to stop.

00:57:29.000 All of them.

00:57:29.900 All of them.

00:57:30.540 Mahmoud Khalil.

00:57:31.260 You know what?

00:57:32.640 I made this point when I was arguing with somebody on the show about it, but I was like, they

00:57:36.260 didn't go.

00:57:36.660 They did not go and arrest all of the students at Columbia University who were taking part

00:57:42.560 of those protests or all the students at Harvard who were taking part of those protests or any

00:57:46.580 university.

00:57:47.360 They targeted a few who were the leaders, the instigators who took an extra role and were

00:57:54.660 here thanks to our benevolent who were.

00:57:58.280 We didn't try to kick out American citizens where people committed crimes.

00:58:01.720 They got charged with whatever it was, larceny or vandalism.

00:58:05.040 But there's a reason this guy got targeted.

00:58:06.920 He was here on our good graces.

00:58:09.120 He was a guest in our house and he behaved like an animal.

00:58:12.260 And I don't care that he didn't actually commit violence on Columbia's campus.

00:58:15.620 He was the spokesperson for the group that held the hostages on campus.

00:58:20.340 The entire campus was held hostage thanks to that group he represented.

00:58:24.080 And by the way, he worked for the Hamas arm of the UN.

00:58:27.940 That's the lie you're referring to on his visa application.

00:58:31.300 Mysteriously, he forgot to disclose that when he asked us if he could come into our country.

00:58:35.880 So goodbye.

00:58:36.800 We don't care.

00:58:37.780 We don't miss you.

00:58:38.560 I wish you hadn't come to begin with.

00:58:40.540 But yes, the left is now the party that makes statues of George Floyd and won't stand for

00:58:46.060 little DJ Daniel at the State of the Union and won't mourn Rachel Morin or Lakin Riley

00:58:52.520 and will send senators to prisons in El Salvador to go gin up empathy for an accused wife abuser

00:59:00.540 and MS-13 gang member who's from El Salvador, by the way.

00:59:05.200 Like we sent him to like the middle of Siberia.

00:59:08.560 Anyway, it's just it's infuriating.

00:59:10.480 And the lawfare is their favorite tool.

00:59:12.680 Now, it's it's coming back to haunt them, though, because they were the ones they were

00:59:19.660 the ones to unleash the dear friend letter during the Obama administration to start using

00:59:27.520 universities to enact their leftist agenda.

00:59:30.040 And of course, the universities were only too happy to comply.

00:59:32.240 That was where their heart was anyway.

00:59:33.680 And Barack Obama used the dear friend letter through his ridiculous secretary of education,

00:59:38.800 Arne Duncan, to say.

00:59:42.560 You eliminate due process for young men who are accused on college campuses or you get

00:59:47.920 the hose again.

00:59:48.440 That's really what he said.

00:59:50.340 All your federal funding's going bye bye.

00:59:53.060 If you don't yank their right to counsel, yank their right to cross examine, yank their

00:59:58.400 right to see the evidence against them.

01:00:01.340 That was his big cause to try to completely eliminate due process rights for young men on

01:00:05.780 college campuses.

01:00:06.540 It was so effed up.

01:00:08.340 And by the way, there's virtually no rate of appeal.

01:00:10.220 You can try to file in a federal court after you've been found guilty as a sexual assault or

01:00:14.580 on a college campus.

01:00:15.700 It almost never gets overturned.

01:00:17.300 And even when it does, the university won't help you.

01:00:19.840 They don't have to let you back in.

01:00:21.600 We saw this in the case at Amherst, where they completely dropped the ball on this one

01:00:25.260 guy.

01:00:25.520 They didn't care when it was all said and done.

01:00:27.440 It's very hard to get review when you've been fucked over, sorry, by your college campus

01:00:31.900 in this way.

01:00:32.700 All on the fault of Barack Obama.

01:00:34.520 Why am I bringing that up?

01:00:36.520 Because the Trump administration has a duty.

01:00:40.100 It has a duty under the various federal statutes that are out there, whether it's Title

01:00:43.580 Nine to protect women or Title Six to protect any minority group that's become the subject

01:00:48.180 of harassment on college campuses, to step in and try to stop it.

01:00:52.000 That's the federal law.

01:00:53.060 You're not allowed to do it.

01:00:54.560 You can hate Jews.

01:00:55.740 Go for it.

01:00:56.400 If that's your thing, great.

01:00:58.080 Good luck with that.

01:00:59.160 But you cannot act on it.

01:01:01.040 You cannot act in a discriminatory or harassing fashion.

01:01:03.840 That's the law.

01:01:05.400 There's morality and then there's legality.

01:01:08.100 And the government, it's their job to enforce legality.

01:01:10.820 And these campuses crossed it.

01:01:12.300 But they crossed it with all those absurd protests where they were chanting Hamas slogans

01:01:17.200 at Jews, harassing them, in some cases, physically berating them or hurting them.

01:01:21.320 And Trump is trying to bring justice now, saying this will never happen again.

01:01:29.680 And here's how we're going to make sure it never happens again.

01:01:31.760 You're going to issue certain reforms on your campus or you're going to lose your federal

01:01:34.520 dollars.

01:01:35.140 And here are what the reforms are.

01:01:36.420 Now, this is exactly what Obama did, his threats on Title IX.

01:01:41.100 And by the way, what he did to many police stations across the country, you will hire

01:01:46.040 more black and brown people or we will take over.

01:01:49.060 In fact, they did take over many police stations and say, we're running your police station now.

01:01:53.380 We think you're too racist based on, you know, sometimes very scurrilous allegations.

01:01:57.300 In any event, so now Trump says to Harvard, you will do all these things.

01:02:04.140 And the list of things is actually quite good, I have to say.

01:02:06.660 It's like, I'll read you a couple.

01:02:07.580 Um, we want to see merit-based hiring reform.

01:02:12.620 The university must adopt and implement merit-based hiring policies, cease all preferences based

01:02:17.600 on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

01:02:20.080 They should be able to say they'll do that because it's unlawful not to, but they won't.

01:02:24.100 Merit-based admissions reform must adopt and implement merit-based admissions and cease all

01:02:30.160 preferences based on race, color, national origin, or proxies, et cetera.

01:02:33.160 That too should be a no-brainer given the Supreme Court decision on affirmative action.

01:02:37.580 But they don't want to do it.

01:02:39.200 International admissions reform.

01:02:41.500 You have to reform the way you recruit and screen international students who are hostile

01:02:46.140 to American values.

01:02:47.500 Why is that a fucking problem?

01:02:48.640 I'm just like, why are you arguing on that?

01:02:51.560 Then there's, um, reform programs with egregious records of antisemitism or other bias.

01:02:57.220 You have to commission an external party to audit these programs that have been particularly

01:03:01.620 pernicious and fuel the most antisemitic harassment.

01:03:05.920 Uh, they don't want to do it.

01:03:07.120 And you have to discontinue DEI, which of course is at the root of a lot of this Jew hatred

01:03:11.500 anyway.

01:03:12.440 Um, they said, no, Trump said, say goodbye to $2.2 billion that you're getting now through

01:03:18.480 various federal agencies.

01:03:19.440 And that may, may not be all that may not be all.

01:03:22.180 We actually may look into your tax exempt status.

01:03:25.600 If you want to play hard ball, let's play hard ball.

01:03:27.820 He said, maybe Harvard should lose its tax exempt status and be taxed as a political entity.

01:03:32.680 If it keeps pushing political ideological and terrorist inspired sickness, remember tax

01:03:37.560 exempt status is totally contingent on acting in the public interest.

01:03:40.920 If that happens, then Harvard's endowment income tax rate could soar from 1.4% to the

01:03:46.460 standard 21% corporate tax rate, potentially translating to a $525 million annual reduction

01:03:52.260 in their coffers.

01:03:54.500 Who decides to weigh in on how inappropriate this is to use the federal government to threaten

01:04:01.780 the universities?

01:04:03.000 But Barack Obama bought you.

01:04:05.580 Yeah, it's truly amazing because he doesn't weigh in often.

01:04:11.880 And then when he does weigh in, it's always on the side of the elites of the elites of the

01:04:17.220 elites in the most unpopular way on the, like to me, Trump has already won because he got

01:04:23.360 Harvard to say, no way, Jose, we will not stop importing people who hate America and hate

01:04:29.540 Jews.

01:04:30.060 It's like he already won, right?

01:04:31.740 Like whatever happens, he has exposed them for what they are, which is an institution

01:04:38.360 not of higher learning, but which confers status on people.

01:04:42.980 And the higher status you are is based on how much you hate America and recently how much

01:04:48.620 you hate the Jews, right?

01:04:49.440 Like this is very clear at this point that these institutions are no longer places that give

01:04:55.760 their students some sort of education.

01:04:58.540 What they do give them is an ideology.

01:05:01.600 And of course, it was Barack Obama who defunded vocational training in high schools, right?

01:05:07.900 The idea was everyone's going to go to college.

01:05:10.940 And why would he do that?

01:05:12.720 Why would he block millions and millions and millions of young men of finding their way

01:05:17.800 into the middle class by working with their hands for a living?

01:05:20.680 Well, of course, because the number one predictor for whether you'll be a Democrat is whether you

01:05:24.640 have a college degree, you know, so they were funneling people into college.

01:05:28.780 And so your ability to achieve the American dream, thanks to Barack Obama, became contingent

01:05:35.660 on how much anti-American, anti-Semitic, post-structuralist, post-modernist crap you had been exposed to.

01:05:44.100 And of course, you could see how this directly leads to these activist judges.

01:05:47.680 They've been exposed to it for 12 years, right?

01:05:50.420 So they've been exposed to it for many, many, many more years than even just your average

01:05:54.580 undergrad.

01:05:55.980 And so it all comes full circle, right?

01:05:58.420 This is, of course, totally, totally ridiculous.

01:06:01.620 Nobody is owed a Harvard degree.

01:06:03.680 Harvard is not owed taxpayer dollars.

01:06:06.460 Certainly, if it cannot prove that it has the best interests of the United States of America

01:06:10.740 at heart, it's not owed the tax dollars of hardworking Americans.

01:06:14.740 But also the whole system that was built by Obama, the system in which you only get access

01:06:23.420 to the American dream if you walk the gauntlet of these anti-American institutions, which are

01:06:29.580 nothing more than status conferring operations in which elites confer status and a lot of wealth

01:06:35.980 on each other.

01:06:36.940 That whole system is crumbling down.

01:06:39.540 I don't want Harvard to reform.

01:06:41.400 I want us to reform.

01:06:43.160 I want us to stop seeing a Harvard degree as something to be proud of.

01:06:47.880 I want us to stop worshipping at the altar of these institutions that hate us and hate

01:06:54.100 working class people.

01:06:55.620 And for the cost of $400,000 a year, teach young Americans who are going to be wealthy

01:07:01.200 to hate the people who they're going to employ.

01:07:03.820 Let's all just stop.

01:07:05.740 We can stop.

01:07:06.740 Like, however this drama plays out, I think Harvard's going to cave very, very quickly.

01:07:10.920 I think the Trump administration's letter was an opening salvo.

01:07:14.880 I don't think they're going to insist on every aspect of this list.

01:07:17.500 They want certain things very clearly more than others that investigate all teachers for

01:07:21.280 plagiarism.

01:07:21.860 I like that one.

01:07:22.860 That's probably I mean, I was also reading that and I was like, they'll never do that.

01:07:26.440 That's for sure.

01:07:27.480 But we really have the power as Americans to say, just no.

01:07:34.480 Like, as Trump always says, you don't have to live like this.

01:07:37.120 We don't have to live like that.

01:07:38.620 We don't have to give people respect just because they have a Harvard degree or a Princeton

01:07:42.660 degree or a Columbia degree.

01:07:44.100 We can say, actually, this proves to me you spent four years being exposed to the most

01:07:48.340 despicable ideology.

01:07:49.700 It's already happening because corporate America already knows that a Harvard degree

01:07:52.820 isn't what it used to be and it means something else.

01:07:56.040 And I'm sorry, but this is what the left has done.

01:07:58.340 If you happen to be a minority and you're at one of these top elite universities and you

01:08:02.140 graduated from it, it's 10 times so for you.

01:08:05.040 They're going to look at you and think that Harvard accepted you because of your skin color.

01:08:08.620 And whose fault is that?

01:08:10.340 Harvard's.

01:08:10.900 It's Harvard's fault.

01:08:12.100 And it's unfortunate that you went there in a time of exploding DEI where they've changed

01:08:18.000 the merit-based system, but them's the breaks.

01:08:20.680 So great.

01:08:21.300 You have yourself a Harvard degree and now you have yourself a healthy amount of skepticism

01:08:25.280 from all employers because they're wondering whether you really deserve to get in or whether

01:08:30.140 you got in because you checked a box.

01:08:32.000 This is the system the left has created.

01:08:34.300 So Barack Obama, just for the record, what he said was Harvard has set an example for other

01:08:39.420 higher institutions by rejecting, uh, this deal, rejecting an unlawful and ham handed

01:08:45.500 attempt to stifle academic freedom.

01:08:48.420 Sure.

01:08:48.780 That's, that's really his history supports his commitment to pure academic freedom without

01:08:54.360 any governmental ham handed attempt to interfere the nerve, by the way, the best, the best tweet.

01:09:00.040 And really this guy might be my favorite follow on Twitter.

01:09:02.760 And that's saying a lot because I have a lot of people I love.

01:09:04.740 He's been on the show, Stephen L. Miller.

01:09:06.740 This is not the Stephen Miller of Trump team.

01:09:09.080 This is, um, a commentator who goes by red steez.

01:09:12.080 Um, he says, Obama, you know, who needs us to defend them right now?

01:09:17.420 Harvard, Bernie, you know who I need to go speak to about income inequality?

01:09:22.520 Coachella.

01:09:24.460 So right.

01:09:25.600 Okay.

01:09:26.060 I have to keep going because there's so much news about you.

01:09:28.440 I'm I, if I don't get to spend enough time on blue origin, I'm going to be very sad and

01:09:32.140 disappointed in myself.

01:09:32.960 I have to mention quickly, quickly that on the legal front, Pam Bondi just fired the,

01:09:40.500 off the lawsuit against Maine.

01:09:42.120 It's happening.

01:09:42.960 So the main governor, she had her little tête-à-tête with Trump like, I'm not doing it.

01:09:46.900 And he's like, you will do it.

01:09:48.400 And it was see in court.

01:09:49.680 Well, they're going to court.

01:09:51.140 She caved almost instantly on the universities because she couldn't lose the money and she

01:09:55.480 knew it, but she did not cave on K through 12.

01:09:57.360 And so now Pam Bondi just filed a lawsuit saying, you will cave, you will cave because

01:10:03.740 there's a whole thing we call a law.

01:10:07.160 It's in short referred to as title nine and you're violating it by letting boys play in

01:10:13.180 girls sports.

01:10:14.040 And by the way, there was just, this is not in our country, but just not for nothing.

01:10:18.320 The UK's Supreme Court, their highest court in the country, just ruled today unanimously

01:10:24.740 that the definition of a woman in equality legislation refers to a biological woman and

01:10:32.340 to biological sex and so-called trans women who are, that's not a thing.

01:10:37.500 That's men posing as women are not women.

01:10:40.880 They can call themselves whatever the hell they want, but legally they're not women.

01:10:45.620 And that's the problem that this main governor is going to have as this lawsuit goes forward.

01:10:50.400 So good for you, Pam Bondi, totally behind you all the way.

01:10:53.540 Okay.

01:10:53.840 But we've got to get to blue origin because it's over the top.

01:10:57.420 It's over the top.

01:10:58.680 What's happened with these women.

01:11:00.060 We made fun of it on Monday because it was just so ridiculous the way some of the media

01:11:03.620 were covering it, the way they were like self-congratulatory.

01:11:06.180 They've gone next level.

01:11:07.500 Okay.

01:11:07.940 Since then.

01:11:09.160 Okay.

01:11:09.800 First of all, can we, can we pull, I want to hear the lead.

01:11:13.360 I don't know which soundbite it is, you guys, but the, the montage of them about them.

01:11:18.700 Let's watch.

01:11:21.640 Out there.

01:11:22.860 It's dark.

01:11:24.200 It's like death.

01:11:25.840 And I'm so proud of us.

01:11:27.820 I really am proud of me.

01:11:29.200 Flowers for me, I believe are, are like God's laughter and God's smile.

01:11:35.440 And I brought a Daisy because I have so much love for my daughter, Daisy, and I have so

01:11:41.540 much love for mother earth.

01:11:43.720 It just says to me, if I can do this, I was telling, I was telling these guys, I might even

01:11:48.800 now get my ears pierced.

01:11:50.080 I've never gotten my ears pierced because that hurts.

01:11:53.080 I hope they can, um, see the unity, um, that we modeled and replicate that and understand

01:12:00.980 that we weren't just taking up space.

01:12:02.960 We were making space for the future.

01:12:05.420 Oh my God.

01:12:06.160 10 out of 10 review.

01:12:08.840 Okay.

01:12:11.100 I got, I got one more.

01:12:12.680 I got to add to you.

01:12:13.740 Gail King upset because there's been a lot of blowback and I'll play it in a minute,

01:12:19.940 but like from Hollywood leftists and not just people like you and me, but like Hollywood

01:12:25.520 leftists.

01:12:25.960 These are the people who are supposed to love them, who are ripping these women to shreds.

01:12:30.780 It's beautiful.

01:12:32.640 And Gail King is upset and had a few things that she needed to explain to those of us who

01:12:38.280 don't understand what a hero she is.

01:12:40.500 Watch.

01:12:40.700 Please don't call it a ride.

01:12:44.060 That is not a frigging ride.

01:12:45.160 Whenever a man goes up, you have never said to an astronaut, boy, what a ride.

01:12:49.940 You know, we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepard did back in the day.

01:12:54.500 Pretty much.

01:12:55.660 No one called that a ride.

01:12:57.060 It was called a flight.

01:12:58.100 It was called a journey because a ride, a ride implies that it's something frivolous or

01:13:02.740 something that's lighthearted.

01:13:03.900 There was nothing frivolous about what we did and, and the machine, and the machine that

01:13:09.360 we were on and what it took for the people to get that machine up and running, to get

01:13:13.900 us up and get us back down safely.

01:13:15.980 So, you know, I'm very disappointed and very saddened by it.

01:13:19.300 And I also say this, the, what it's doing to inspire other women and young girls, please

01:13:24.980 don't ignore that.

01:13:26.500 I'm inspirational.

01:13:27.220 So many women and young girls reach out to me and men too, by the way, men too, that

01:13:31.880 say, wow, I never thought I could do that, but I see you doing it at this stage of my

01:13:35.760 life.

01:13:36.020 Who would have thunk it?

01:13:36.900 Not me.

01:13:38.080 And, and how inspired they are.

01:13:41.100 Okay.

01:13:41.780 There's so much to go over.

01:13:42.820 First of all, Alan Shepard walked on the moon, Gail.

01:13:44.940 You did not fucking walk on the moon.

01:13:46.560 Okay.

01:13:47.260 You're, you're, you didn't do the same thing as Alan Shepard.

01:13:49.400 And by the way, when he did his first space flight, it was the first space flight.

01:13:54.400 That's the reason it was exciting.

01:13:57.260 It wasn't for commercial gain.

01:13:59.000 It wasn't to promote Amazon.

01:14:01.220 It wasn't with some woman with her tits hanging out who needed a little extra attention.

01:14:05.400 Okay.

01:14:05.640 So that's just first.

01:14:08.220 Secondly, there's nothing frivolous about what we did.

01:14:11.780 Let me, let's just check in.

01:14:12.960 We don't have to take her word for it.

01:14:14.520 Let's see how it went on board the blue origin spacecraft.

01:14:17.860 SAC 22, here they are, in space.

01:14:22.880 Got it?

01:14:26.520 One, two, three.

01:14:28.800 Taking up space!

01:14:30.840 Woo!

01:14:33.400 Quinn, why are you looking?

01:14:35.440 Katy Perry with her daisy?

01:14:38.020 I got you, Flynn.

01:14:39.300 Gotcha.

01:14:40.780 Stuffed animals.

01:14:41.680 Proud of you, Flynn.

01:14:42.540 The moon!

01:14:43.280 You guys, I have to tell you, look at the moon.

01:14:45.920 That's amazing.

01:14:49.000 Wow, look at the blue line.

01:14:51.320 Oh my God.

01:14:52.740 Oh my God.

01:14:55.520 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:14:57.500 That's amazing.

01:15:01.760 I, I can't.

01:15:03.820 I'm, I'm so, I can't get over.

01:15:07.200 There's so much to talk about.

01:15:08.560 Look at the moon.

01:15:11.340 It's dark.

01:15:13.360 Stace!

01:15:14.580 There was nothing frivolous.

01:15:16.180 I am like Alan Shepard and I am inspirational.

01:15:19.640 I'm proud of me.

01:15:20.900 Good for me.

01:15:22.260 That's the messaging coming back.

01:15:25.340 Right.

01:15:25.980 It's so amazing.

01:15:27.000 Like, they went to see space.

01:15:29.280 We're supposed to see them, right?

01:15:31.760 Like, they admired the universe and what they were expecting was for us to admire the fact

01:15:38.340 that they were rich enough and famous enough to have been granted this utterly, utterly vacuous

01:15:45.940 experience from which they learned absolutely nothing.

01:15:51.080 And it's just like, I mean, this is the Democratic Party, right?

01:15:55.240 It's all acting.

01:15:57.160 It's all celebrity.

01:15:58.760 It's all ostentatious wealth.

01:16:01.680 I mean, this was exactly what Kamala Harris's entire campaign was like.

01:16:05.620 Look at us.

01:16:06.440 We're very wealthy.

01:16:07.600 Don't we look great?

01:16:09.260 Admire us.

01:16:10.600 You know, it's so funny.

01:16:11.380 She said she's heard from women and girls who have said to her, I didn't realize this

01:16:15.080 is something I could do.

01:16:16.440 You know how I know that didn't happen, Megan?

01:16:18.300 Because it's not something they could do because they're not friends with Jeff Bezos, right?

01:16:22.900 Like, the whole thing is a farce.

01:16:25.580 Their message for women was take up space like us.

01:16:30.620 Like, the reception they got was like the right corrective.

01:16:34.020 You guys are taking up too much space already.

01:16:36.600 Like, what are you offering?

01:16:38.320 Where is the service?

01:16:40.720 Where is the sense that we owe something to the society that has made us so unbelievably

01:16:48.520 wealthy?

01:16:49.800 What are you giving back?

01:16:50.840 What they are giving back is their celebrity, the right for us to admire them.

01:16:56.440 Like, it is so despicable.

01:16:58.460 It's not just women, although, of course, like, women do this so much worse because we

01:17:01.840 always expect to be admired, you know?

01:17:03.960 But, you know, when the men did this, right?

01:17:05.820 I forget who the billionaire went.

01:17:07.240 Was it Bezos?

01:17:08.020 Was it Musk?

01:17:08.600 I don't remember who it was that went to space.

01:17:10.560 Yeah, I think it was Bezos and William Shatner.

01:17:11.720 He came back and he said, wow, you know, we're so small vis-a-vis the universe.

01:17:19.100 Like, the most banal, like, totally, like, really, you went to space.

01:17:24.440 That's what you came back with.

01:17:26.040 And it's just like, these people are so bored, Megan.

01:17:29.220 They have no problems.

01:17:30.520 They have nothing in their lives that they consider to be of value.

01:17:35.520 And what's amazing to me is that it seems like Hollywood knows what time it is, even

01:17:40.140 if these five women didn't, right?

01:17:41.960 Like, you really did see people coming out and being like, what the heck is this?

01:17:47.220 Well, let me show some of that.

01:17:48.940 Um, I, okay, yeah, the, the, just, I'm still stuck in the fact that Gail King actually used

01:17:55.240 the word astronauts in reference to like, we're just like, like an actual astronaut.

01:17:59.380 You are there on a vanity project of Jeff Bezos and his fiance.

01:18:04.320 You've done absolutely nothing to deserve this.

01:18:07.220 You're sitting next to Katy Perry.

01:18:09.120 And if you don't want people to think it's frivolous, Gail, then don't have the fucking

01:18:14.580 Kardashian's craft side as you take off and Oprah that it, that might have something to

01:18:22.540 do with our reaction to this as a non-serious event, a PR stunt.

01:18:29.220 Okay.

01:18:30.020 Back to the blowback, Olivia Munn, she's an actress.

01:18:34.360 She's got it.

01:18:36.120 And, uh, I think she speaks for a lot of us when she's trying to espouse why so many on

01:18:41.560 the left and the right had a visceral reaction to this.

01:18:44.580 Like, what are you guys going to do up in space?

01:18:48.560 What are you doing up there?

01:18:49.280 I mean, it's, by the way, they're going for 11 minutes.

01:18:51.820 They're going for 11 minutes.

01:18:53.060 They're going up.

01:18:53.940 I think they're going to float around a little.

01:18:55.860 So you're on like magic mountain.

01:18:57.820 Like you're just going up space mountain, more appropriately space mountain.

01:19:01.880 Think about, I know this is probably obnoxious, but like, um, like it's so much money to go

01:19:08.120 to space, you know?

01:19:09.500 Yes.

01:19:09.740 And there's, we, there's a lot of people who can't even afford eggs.

01:19:12.760 I just don't, I think it's a bit over the top.

01:19:15.800 And I think, um, I just think there are the cover of Elle magazine.

01:19:20.300 I mean, like, isn't that, I don't know.

01:19:22.500 Space exploration was to, to like, to further our knowledge and to help mankind.

01:19:27.860 I mean, what are they going to do up there that has made it better for us down here?

01:19:32.640 Absolutely nothing.

01:19:34.960 I'll give you one more, um, model Emily Ratajkowski, uh, who did a little Instagram post after the

01:19:42.420 fact.

01:19:43.920 At space mission this morning, that's in time shit.

01:19:47.740 Like this is beyond parody thing that you care about mother earth and it's about mother

01:19:51.760 earth.

01:19:52.080 And you're going up in a spaceship that is built and paid for by a company that's single-handedly

01:19:58.360 destroying the planet get the state of the world and think about how many resources went

01:20:02.620 into putting these women into space for what, for what, what was the marketing there?

01:20:07.300 And then to try to make it like, I I'm disgusted.

01:20:10.140 Literally.

01:20:10.540 I'm disgusted.

01:20:11.980 She's raised a good point.

01:20:13.040 Where's Greta Turnberg.

01:20:14.280 Where's it?

01:20:14.780 Where's her protest on how many carbon emissions we had to suffer just so that Gail could be

01:20:20.320 proud of herself.

01:20:20.980 Uh, Olivia Wilde reposted an image of Katy Perry kissing the ground.

01:20:26.660 Honestly, truly, she was asking, she was acting like she got back from Apollo 13, um, kissing

01:20:31.400 the rat and she captioned it billion dollars, bought some good memes, I guess.

01:20:36.200 Here was Amy Schumer doing her own version of making fun of these women.

01:20:40.320 Watch.

01:20:40.540 Guys, last second, they added me to space and I'm going to space.

01:20:53.220 I'm bringing this thing.

01:20:56.880 Um, it has no meaning to me, but, um, it was in my bag and I was like on the subway and I

01:21:04.020 got the text and they were like, do you want to go to space?

01:21:06.620 So I'm going to space and thank you to everyone who got me here and I'll see you guys in space.

01:21:16.300 Nailed it.

01:21:17.220 She's mocking them.

01:21:18.440 Very heartily mocking them.

01:21:20.400 Kesha mocked them.

01:21:21.940 I mean, like it's, that's what gets them upset.

01:21:24.680 That's why Gail did that little, we're inspirational and we're astronauts.

01:21:29.260 I am Alan Shepard video.

01:21:32.400 First of all, that's the funniest I've seen Amy Schumer in maybe 10 years, 15,

01:21:36.620 years.

01:21:36.880 It was really, really funny.

01:21:39.140 Um, I think that this is kind of a turning point, Megan.

01:21:41.880 Like, I feel like the vibe is shifting.

01:21:44.860 Like a year ago, you would not have seen the left, like openly admitting, like, this is

01:21:50.720 not cool anymore.

01:21:51.500 It's almost like these women in their space mission admitted a little bit too much.

01:21:56.280 You know, they became, they went from being like the apotheosis of what the leftist elites

01:22:01.440 and Hollywood and entertainment represents to just like exposing it a little bit too much.

01:22:06.820 Like if the message had been like slightly better, nobody would have come out against

01:22:10.320 it.

01:22:10.540 But now it's very interesting to see the cracks in the very elites that these women come

01:22:16.580 from.

01:22:17.040 They realize that they've lost the plot.

01:22:19.680 They realize that they've lost the country.

01:22:21.580 Nobody's going to see their movies.

01:22:23.640 Nobody's watching their TV shows.

01:22:25.840 There's no purchase for that ostentatious, liberal, vacuous, empty culture anymore.

01:22:33.780 And I think we're going to look back on this moment as maybe the moment that we started

01:22:37.940 to realize that we were in full on woke lash and people wanted to return to substance and

01:22:43.940 to unifying messages and to actual entertainment, actual culture that has real meaning for people.

01:22:51.660 I love that.

01:22:52.980 I agree.

01:22:53.800 And I also think there's the element of it's got it's got a little bit of a stolen valor

01:22:58.220 feel to it where we revere our astronauts, our actual astronauts who actually do put themselves

01:23:07.740 in harm's way in order to forge new frontiers.

01:23:11.960 And we've seen astronauts, actual ones die in the name of this service.

01:23:18.700 We've seen even civilians like Kristen McAuliffe when, you know, people of my age were in middle

01:23:23.180 school and we all watched that flight take off the space shuttle and and burn in the

01:23:29.100 air.

01:23:29.380 It was horrifying.

01:23:30.520 So there have been civilians to go up to.

01:23:32.640 They wear actual spacesuits.

01:23:34.080 They go through real training, not two days of learning how to buckle your seat belt, which

01:23:38.880 is literally what they did.

01:23:40.600 That's what they're touting as their training, buckling the seat belt, getting in and out of

01:23:44.460 the vessel and learning how to press the button so they could speak to mission control.

01:23:48.020 That is not that doesn't make you an astronaut.

01:23:50.480 Not OK, sorry, Gail and everybody else on board.

01:23:53.980 And I just feel like, how dare you?

01:23:56.580 How dare you utter the name Alan Shepard?

01:23:59.480 How dare you?

01:24:01.280 You and he have absolutely nothing in common.

01:24:04.680 Absolutely nothing.

01:24:06.500 And so I like she and they actually seem to have expected a Neil Armstrong type welcome

01:24:14.040 home.

01:24:14.460 And I'm really uplifted by the fact that left and right, because I think you and I have

01:24:19.980 probably zero in common with Amy Schumer and certainly Olivia Wilde, other than our ability

01:24:26.760 to see through this PR stunt farce.

01:24:30.460 One more quick point, which is I forget his name, the astronaut who Elon Musk just rescued

01:24:38.420 from space.

01:24:39.300 There was a woman and a man, the man, Megan.

01:24:42.680 He went to church services every Sunday from space.

01:24:48.460 I can't remember the last time I heard something so inspiring.

01:24:53.780 This man was in space and he did not miss a single Sunday service.

01:25:00.400 And I mean, if he could do it, we can do it.

01:25:03.360 But he brought his spirituality and his faith up into space with him.

01:25:09.120 Like it was so beautiful.

01:25:11.420 The idea that even there, when you're so close to the heavens and you have this perspective,

01:25:16.940 what he was longing for, what his soul needed was to be tied to his faith community here

01:25:23.540 on Earth.

01:25:24.240 And these women went up there in search of meaning and came down just as vacuous as they

01:25:30.700 had left.

01:25:31.500 The meaning they came back with was, I am important and I am your hero.

01:25:36.320 I am.

01:25:37.800 Damn it.

01:25:38.700 You will look up to me.

01:25:40.300 You will call it a mission, not a flight.

01:25:43.300 Congratulations, me.

01:25:44.980 And again, I mean, my guest made this point yesterday.

01:25:48.060 It was a very good one, which is, I think it was, who was it who was making this, Walter

01:25:51.760 or on Monday, about how they completely ignored all these same news stations who want us to

01:25:56.720 celebrate these women, completely ignored Elon Musk's rescue of those two astronauts on

01:26:02.080 board the International Space Station.

01:26:03.820 He rescued them.

01:26:04.680 They'd been stuck up there for the better part of a year.

01:26:07.000 They didn't find that interesting at all.

01:26:08.440 But this vapidity celebrated like the second coming.

01:26:11.700 So I love the backlash.

01:26:13.400 I am here for it and I feel it too.

01:26:17.100 Batya, I love talking to you.

01:26:18.340 Thank you so much for being here.

01:26:19.760 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:26:21.000 I love you.

01:26:21.780 God bless you and God bless your viewers.

01:26:23.940 And thank you for everything you do for this great nation and for the Jewish people.

01:26:27.780 Oh, you're so sweet.

01:26:28.940 The pleasure is all mine.

01:26:30.700 All right.

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01:26:48.100 What you said, NBC News, was totally false.

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01:30:26.500 Last week, we told you about a confidential defamation settlement between NBCUniversal and

01:30:32.200 a Georgia doctor.

01:30:33.260 This after MSNBC ran multiple reports in September 2020 with allegations that this doctor performed

01:30:40.500 mass hysterectomies at an ICE detention facility.

01:30:44.980 Well, we dug into what really happened.

01:30:47.000 It started with an advocacy group called Project South, and they released an open letter to the

01:30:53.140 Department of Homeland Security criticizing conditions at the Irwin County Detention Center

01:30:58.600 in Georgia, which at the time was run by ICE and had detained immigrants staying there.

01:31:04.840 The letter was primarily about the lack of COVID precautions there, but it also included

01:31:09.500 shocking allegations from a nurse named Dan Wooten claiming, Don, I should say, not Dan,

01:31:15.880 that's our friend, Don Wooten, claiming that a doctor was performing hysterectomies on nearly

01:31:21.500 every patient that he saw, calling him, quote, a uterus collector.

01:31:27.580 Well, MSNBC took up the story the very next day with Nicole Wallace, Chris Hayes, and Rachel

01:31:32.900 Maddow all covering the report on their shows.

01:31:36.160 Here's Maddow quoting the shocking claims.

01:31:38.740 The nurse who contributed to this whistleblower complaint explains it like this, quote,

01:31:42.160 quote, everybody this doctor sees has a hysterectomy, just about everybody.

01:31:46.080 He's even taken out the wrong ovary on one detained immigrant woman.

01:31:49.600 She was supposed to get her left ovary removed because it had a cyst on the left ovary.

01:31:53.340 He took out the right one.

01:31:55.140 She was upset.

01:31:56.780 She had to go back to take out the left, and she wound up with a total hysterectomy.

01:32:00.240 She still wanted children, so she has to go back home now and tell her husband that

01:32:03.860 she can't bear kids.

01:32:04.880 She said she was not all the way out under anesthesia and heard the doctor tell the nurse

01:32:09.160 that he took out the wrong ovary.

01:32:10.940 The nurse says she and her fellow nurses, quote, questioned among ourselves, like, goodness,

01:32:16.140 he's taking everybody's stuff out.

01:32:17.580 That's his specialty.

01:32:18.760 He's the uterus collector.

01:32:21.000 She says, quote, I know that's ugly.

01:32:23.300 Is he collecting these things or something?

01:32:25.300 Everybody he sees, he's taking all their uteruses out, or he's taking their tubes out.

01:32:28.960 What in the world?

01:32:31.440 Well, there's just one problem.

01:32:32.980 It's not true.

01:32:34.600 Dr. Mahendra Amin only performed two medically necessary hysterectomies on detainees at that

01:32:40.760 ICE facility, and he was not happy with this report.

01:32:44.500 The guy spent his whole life helping underprivileged communities, volunteering his time, helping people

01:32:50.900 who cannot pay, and he got viciously smeared originally by this nurse who worked at the

01:32:57.000 facility.

01:32:57.560 And then NBC News and MSNBC News ran with it.

01:33:01.840 And The Good Doctor filed a $30 million defamation lawsuit against NBCUniversal in September,

01:33:09.420 or back in September, NBC settled.

01:33:12.460 They settled after discovery in this case showed that even internally at the news organization,

01:33:18.240 they had significant doubts about whether this was true, even as they presented the allegations

01:33:25.320 to their audience without reflecting those serious doubts.

01:33:31.080 We reached out to NBCUniversal for comment.

01:33:34.120 We have not heard back.

01:33:35.360 Here now to explain more is Stacey Evans, Dr. Amin's attorney.

01:33:39.160 Stacey, thank you so much for being here.

01:33:41.060 I know that-

01:33:41.680 Thank you so much for having me and sharing the story.

01:33:44.280 Yes, you're, I'm told, a Democratic lawmaker in the state of Georgia, and that many people

01:33:49.600 would not expect you to be suing MSNBC, which is beloved by a lot of Democrats.

01:33:54.740 So did you have any hesitancy in taking this case?

01:33:58.740 I didn't.

01:33:59.760 I definitely thought in my mind this could hurt me politically.

01:34:03.240 And in fact, I had some attacks.

01:34:05.780 You proclaimed to be this progressive champion.

01:34:08.180 How could you defend this man, this doctor?

01:34:11.320 And I said, well, it's very easy because he didn't do these terrible things that the media

01:34:15.760 is claiming that he did, that MSNBC is claiming that he did, that this alleged whistleblower

01:34:20.280 is claiming that he did.

01:34:22.300 And for me, whether it's a Democratic-leaning media or Republican-leading media, you've got

01:34:29.180 to tell the truth.

01:34:30.000 I mean, the media is a very important part of our systems, of government, really.

01:34:36.400 And they need to get it right.

01:34:37.940 And so it's my job, I feel like, as a defamation lawyer to hold anyone accountable who's not

01:34:42.280 telling the truth, whether that's the network I watch or another network.

01:34:47.080 Good for you.

01:34:48.220 Not everybody sees the world like that.

01:34:50.620 So I applaud you and your objectivity.

01:34:53.100 Just so the audience can understand how this got started, I mentioned this nurse who works

01:34:56.820 there named Dawn Wooten.

01:34:58.400 Here she is talking to NBC's Jacob Soberoff and making these allegations against Dr.

01:35:04.380 Amin.

01:35:04.760 This is from September 15th, 2020.

01:35:06.680 You're quoted in the complaint as saying, that's his specialty, he's the uterus collector.

01:35:15.020 Is that how people refer to this doctor?

01:35:17.480 That's how the detainees refer to this physician.

01:35:22.360 They referred to him as, I had a detainee to ask me, she said, well, what is he doing,

01:35:26.880 Ms. Wooten, collecting all of our uteruses?

01:35:30.900 And I just looked at her puzzle, because I didn't have an answer.

01:35:34.740 Later, the Department of Homeland Security inspector general would conduct an investigation.

01:35:46.000 This is after the allegations aired.

01:35:48.200 It was in January of 2022.

01:35:50.220 And they released a report finding, based on its medical records review, the National

01:35:55.140 Commission on Correctional Healthcare Resources team determined women's healthcare provided

01:36:00.900 by Dr. Amin to be appropriate.

01:36:03.080 So they're basically saying that, well, he's not mentioned by name, nothing untoward happened

01:36:08.780 there, nothing that wasn't medically necessary.

01:36:11.120 So what exactly did NBC and MSNBC do wrong?

01:36:16.080 Well, they called Dr. Amin a uterus collector.

01:36:19.560 They said that Dr. Amin performed mass hysterectomies, high number of hysterectomies, and that they were

01:36:24.500 unnecessary and that they were unconsented to.

01:36:27.080 None of those things are true.

01:36:28.380 And the court even found in her summary judgment order, Judge Wood of the Southern District

01:36:32.340 of Georgia, found in a 108-page order, very clearly, there is no evidence of mass hysterectomies,

01:36:38.580 no evidence of high numbers of hysterectomies, and no evidence that Dr. Amin is a uterus collector,

01:36:44.100 and also relayed information to make clear that Don Wooten was not telling the truth, and MSNBC was

01:36:51.600 not telling the truth to repeat it.

01:36:52.980 When she said all these detainees called Dr. Amin the uterus collector, I took deposition

01:36:58.020 after deposition after deposition of women who had been formally detained at Irwin County

01:37:03.160 Detention Center and others who had been there, and no one heard him be called the uterus collector

01:37:09.380 until after MSNBC's news reports, which the detainees obviously had access to watching television

01:37:15.580 like any of us.

01:37:17.000 But no one admitted to ever using that phrase, and no one even heard it until after the report.

01:37:22.260 So MSNBC took these allegations, which were salacious, and it was right in the middle

01:37:28.820 of an election year.

01:37:30.240 We were six weeks before the 2020 election, and they ran with it, and they tried to tie

01:37:36.240 Dr. Amin, an immigrant himself, to what they portrayed as terrible, atrocious things that

01:37:43.180 were happening to immigrants during the Trump administration.

01:37:46.620 And I and others agree.

01:37:48.020 I mean, the child separation policies, there were these administrators who were tracking

01:37:52.740 menstrual cycles of women.

01:37:54.860 Rachel Maddow said that Dr. Amin, my client, a man who's been practicing medicine for over

01:38:00.340 35 years, devoted himself to these underserved areas, took on these cases of this of the detainees

01:38:07.620 because he knew no one else would do it.

01:38:09.800 For most of his career, he's been the only or one of only a few OBGYNs in a very wide

01:38:15.440 radius in a rural part of South Georgia.

01:38:17.920 So they said this man, my client, Dr. Amin, one of the most gentle people you'll ever meet,

01:38:23.100 was the next chapter in this saga of immigration abuse that's happening in our country.

01:38:28.720 Again, an immigrant himself tied him to that without not only not looking as deep as they

01:38:35.960 needed to, but the surface level that they did look into told them that these allegations

01:38:41.420 from this alleged whistleblower were not corroborated.

01:38:44.520 They had talked to-

01:38:45.060 Let me stop you there.

01:38:45.780 Let me stop you there just to set the scene.

01:38:48.240 And I appreciate you mentioning the election because it's very interesting.

01:38:50.460 I mean, we've seen this so many times where mistakes, mistakes, or intentional misstatements

01:38:57.660 get made in service of a political narrative that somebody finds important.

01:39:02.640 And I think, obviously, MSNBC was guilty of that here.

01:39:06.160 It was too good.

01:39:07.140 It was too good not to report.

01:39:09.140 It would hurt Trump.

01:39:10.360 It would hurt him on one of his key issues, you know, immigration.

01:39:14.020 And look what they're doing.

01:39:15.700 He's basically got a Joseph Mengele in there taking out uteruses for fun.

01:39:19.700 This is sick.

01:39:20.740 These people are sick.

01:39:21.660 So I see it.

01:39:22.580 I see exactly what you're saying here.

01:39:24.320 But that's one of the things I wanted to get into because it wasn't just MSNBC.

01:39:28.640 The Guardian, some other publications, mostly left-wing, ran with these same allegations

01:39:33.200 by this nurse, but you didn't sue them.

01:39:35.640 And there is a reason that you zeroed in on NBC and MSNBC.

01:39:40.400 And I think it's, well, it's a couple fold.

01:39:42.600 You explain.

01:39:43.020 Well, there were some earlier sort of lesser known print, maybe online publications that

01:39:52.620 were talking about the story in general.

01:39:54.480 But it was MSNBC, that first name, Dr. Amin.

01:39:58.760 And they were proud of that.

01:40:00.100 They said, we broke the story.

01:40:01.540 We got his name and we told everyone.

01:40:03.980 They were very proud of that.

01:40:05.060 And then they were the only broadcast media to run with the story.

01:40:11.760 And they did it again in the face of, on the same day that they were up reporting, I was

01:40:17.000 telling them, we've only got records of two hysterectomies being done at this facility

01:40:21.960 at all, whether by Dr. Amin.

01:40:23.880 At the time, they didn't know if there were other doctors that may be treating women at

01:40:27.920 that facility.

01:40:29.080 That's what MSNBC did, which was very reckless.

01:40:31.540 They had the biggest microphone, the biggest camera, and they blasted his name and blasted

01:40:36.400 his picture across on things that were false.

01:40:40.100 And that from their own investigation, they had feedback telling them it wasn't there.

01:40:46.020 Their own internal people saying, we don't have it.

01:40:48.960 And I know we may talk about that more if you want me to go into some of the things that

01:40:52.560 they knew.

01:40:54.080 Well, let's, so I definitely want to do that.

01:40:55.900 I'm running out of time on my SiriusXM live show, and we're going to continue this over

01:40:59.620 on pod and YouTube.

01:41:00.400 So I'll start something a little, I'll keep us on something less deep, because that's

01:41:04.660 a deep one.

01:41:05.680 But yeah, so he had multiple news organizations, but MSNBC and NBC was the worst, and the ones

01:41:11.740 with the biggest microphone reporting this about them.

01:41:15.040 Can I ask you before, in the time we have, do we know why this nurse made these allegations?

01:41:19.980 Because I saw some reference to she had an ax to grind.

01:41:22.080 Well, she had, she definitely had some issues employment wise with the facility.

01:41:28.960 Who's right or wrong in that?

01:41:30.260 I don't know.

01:41:30.840 But she was very upset about her status as an employee and being, her hours being cut

01:41:35.040 down or something like that.

01:41:36.420 And she was mainly concerned about COVID protections at the facility.

01:41:40.240 This was September 2020.

01:41:41.500 We were in the height of COVID.

01:41:42.580 She was complaining that the safety protocols weren't being followed.

01:41:46.580 And she had some, her own health issues that she was worried about and being forced to work

01:41:51.820 in these conditions.

01:41:52.840 That's what she was trying to share.

01:41:54.340 You know, this 26 page letter, I believe it was total, only one little paragraph about

01:41:59.780 hysterectomies.

01:42:00.480 But her advocates through this advocacy organization have been trying to get attention on COVID for

01:42:06.660 a while and no one was biting.

01:42:08.520 And I think they needed something sensational.

01:42:12.020 And why she chose to say that he did this, I'll never know.

01:42:16.120 So let's talk now about what you discovered about MSNBC and NBC in particular, because this

01:42:22.620 was really, you know, I don't know whether you would have won the defamation claim against

01:42:27.280 them, even though we now know what they reported was untrue.

01:42:29.840 But they did try to cross some T's and dot some I.

01:42:33.520 So when I was reading up on the case, I was like, how did they win this?

01:42:37.000 And then I got to the page that explains how you won it.

01:42:40.460 But just to set it up, they did try to do some things.

01:42:44.660 They reached out, right, to the doctor for comment.

01:42:49.060 And they included, I think, his denial in the ultimate report that it wasn't true.

01:42:55.760 Um, but that, as it turns out, wasn't sufficient because why?

01:43:01.220 Well, they did include his, um, his denial, which was general.

01:43:06.620 Um, and one of the things to keep in mind here, and that was very frustrating for Dr.

01:43:09.940 Amin is, I mean, he's a doctor.

01:43:11.380 He is bound by the laws of HIPAA.

01:43:14.040 He can't go digging through his medical records and throw them up on the screen and say, see

01:43:17.960 here, this is why I did the hysterectomy.

01:43:19.820 These are the hysterectomies I did.

01:43:21.280 Um, he cannot talk about specific patients.

01:43:25.020 Um, he cannot talk about specific things that happen with them.

01:43:27.700 And so that general denial was, was all he could do.

01:43:31.820 Um, but what, what was true and what we just got worse as we were peeling back the layers

01:43:37.680 during discovery is this whole thing started with, um, Julia Ainsley and Jacob Stoverhoff

01:43:42.720 were writing, working together on an, on an article that was going to be for, um, NBC News

01:43:48.260 online and they were calling, um, immigration lawyers in Georgia, obviously speaking to

01:43:54.620 Don Wooten and what they found in the course of doing that is that the immigration lawyers

01:43:59.720 were telling them, you know, when this story broke, we started calling our colleagues.

01:44:04.500 One of the immigration lawyers that they talked to was, um, a leader in this 15,000 plus

01:44:09.840 member, um, association of immigration lawyers all across the country.

01:44:13.920 And she had access to all the ones there on the Southeast and Georgia in particular.

01:44:17.600 They were not seeing high numbers of hysterectomies.

01:44:20.760 And they told the reporters at MSNBC, that's unclear whether it was Jacob that they told

01:44:26.020 or Julia, but they told one of them, we are not seeing it.

01:44:29.020 We are calling around.

01:44:29.980 We are asking people to report to us and we are not seeing it, um, going to air.

01:44:34.220 They really only had hard evidence of one hysterectomy.

01:44:40.040 Um, and, and they had that from an immigration lawyer who told them, and she had cancer.

01:44:44.380 Um, that that's what they had.

01:44:46.960 Now they said they had more than that, but, but they never did.

01:44:49.440 The most they ever had was two.

01:44:50.920 That's what ice was saying is that there were two, two reported out from ice, um, and that

01:44:55.660 they were, uh, approved through their internal procedures to be, to be necessary.

01:45:00.000 And then you had standards who was looking at that article standards and practices.

01:45:04.940 We've talked about them with my audience there.

01:45:06.980 It's at NBC, it's pretty rigorous where you go through this team of lawyers and sort of

01:45:10.660 professional journalists who make sure or try that you don't defame people in your reporting.

01:45:16.860 And especially when you have a report like this, that's incendiary.

01:45:19.400 I mean, you're setting this guy on fire with these allegations.

01:45:21.700 It would be subjected to higher scrutiny.

01:45:23.720 So keep going.

01:45:24.520 You keep going.

01:45:25.380 Yeah, absolutely.

01:45:26.220 And I, and I, I personally felt sorry for Christopher Scholl was the deputy head of standards at the

01:45:30.900 time and he was clearly pushing back and he was saying, we have this one source.

01:45:37.320 She has no direct knowledge because she, she told even Jacob Soboroff, I didn't go with

01:45:41.860 the women during their medical treatments.

01:45:44.060 And Dr.

01:45:44.460 I mean, never set foot onto the campus of Irwin County detention center.

01:45:48.440 The women were brought to his private medical office.

01:45:51.820 Don Wooten said the alleged whistleblower, I didn't go there.

01:45:55.420 I don't know what happened.

01:45:56.780 So she has no firsthand knowledge.

01:45:58.260 And the deputy head of standards is pointing this out guys.

01:46:00.680 Hey, we have one source with no direct knowledge.

01:46:04.000 This is sensational.

01:46:06.100 We've got these folks saying, maybe we found one.

01:46:09.680 You've got, I say, and there's two, we don't have it.

01:46:13.380 And there's evidence that we developed that, that standards never actually approved that

01:46:20.760 online news report, which ended up being the basis for all the on air.

01:46:24.420 Now they dispute and say, oh yeah, we did.

01:46:26.380 We did it.

01:46:26.840 We did approve.

01:46:27.440 But there's, there's some emails later where the deputy head of standards is saying, these

01:46:32.980 articles shouldn't go out without standards, seeing a final version, and they should not

01:46:37.220 be considered approved based on answers to questions, which is all there was back and

01:46:41.520 forth.

01:46:41.760 All these emails, questions, answers, questions, answers, but then more questions.

01:46:45.200 And then all of a sudden the news article is up and Julia Ainsley's on deadline White House.

01:46:50.640 And then from there, you know, it goes to Chris Hayes.

01:46:52.580 It goes to Rachel Maddow.

01:46:54.760 Yep.

01:46:55.400 Was the original article on NBC.com or MSNBC.com?

01:47:00.360 NBCnews.com.

01:47:01.720 Yeah.

01:47:01.880 It was an NBC news story.

01:47:03.100 Mm-hmm.

01:47:04.120 Wow.

01:47:04.600 And those warnings from standards and practices were issued prior to them posting that article

01:47:09.540 and then doing all these segments on MSNBC.

01:47:12.120 Yep.

01:47:12.440 Prior to posting the article online and prior to any on air, including the deadline White

01:47:18.340 House show.

01:47:19.040 And then you also had, you had Chris Hayes behind the scenes internally with standards

01:47:24.780 saying, you know, this whole thing went viral because it sort of brings up all these

01:47:29.440 Third Reich, Jim Crow, Mississippi hospitalization experiments.

01:47:34.720 And that's not the case here.

01:47:36.520 That's what he said internally.

01:47:37.840 That's why it went viral.

01:47:39.340 It's so sensational.

01:47:40.460 It brings up all these bad historical implications, but that's not true here.

01:47:44.080 He acknowledges that internally.

01:47:45.460 That same night he goes on his show and he says, this story went viral because of the

01:47:51.900 historical ramifications of any kind of coerced sterilization of an immigrant population.

01:47:57.040 So the exact same thing that he said, this is not internally, he told the viewers, that's

01:48:03.820 why this is such a big story, because this is what it makes us think of.

01:48:07.220 It was very, very reckless and very disappointing to me to see that, see it happen this way.

01:48:13.220 Incredibly two-faced.

01:48:14.580 Here he is having that same nurse on his show again, after all these warnings from standards

01:48:20.340 and others behind the scenes.

01:48:22.340 It's not 37.

01:48:22.820 You have detained women.

01:48:26.420 I had several detained women on numerous occasions that would come to me and say, Ms.

01:48:32.860 Wooten, I had hysterectomy.

01:48:35.440 Why?

01:48:36.500 I had no answers as to why they had those procedures.

01:48:40.620 And one lady walked up to me here this last time around between October of 19 until July

01:48:51.540 the 2nd.

01:48:52.720 And she said, what is he?

01:48:54.880 Is he the uterus collector?

01:48:56.320 Does he collect uteruses?

01:48:58.320 And I asked her, what does she mean?

01:49:00.520 And she says, everybody that I talked to has had a hysterectomy.

01:49:04.980 And you just don't know what to say.

01:49:08.400 I mean, I don't have an answer for why that they would come to me and they would say, is

01:49:17.440 he the uterus collector?

01:49:20.020 Now, in that interview, did Chris Hayes express strong skepticism?

01:49:25.080 Like, this is hearsay.

01:49:26.780 You can't produce the women.

01:49:28.740 How do you know it's six?

01:49:30.120 Like, was there anything to mitigate the damage in those allegations?

01:49:32.920 No, and that was the bigger problem.

01:49:36.340 It would have been one thing to say, OK, here's what Don Wooten is saying.

01:49:40.240 But we haven't been able to verify from anyone who was actually in the room.

01:49:44.880 We haven't looked at medical records.

01:49:47.520 We're being skeptical here, which internally they were saying, standards was saying to Chris

01:49:52.500 Hayes specifically, we need to be skeptical.

01:49:55.980 And in fact, they were just validating.

01:49:58.180 There were, I don't remember if it was Chris Hayes or other on-air talent or his producers

01:50:01.640 that were calling Don Wooten their hero.

01:50:04.380 And our hero is here to share the truth with us, just really putting her up on a pedestal

01:50:09.260 and then calling Dr. Amin a so-called medical professor, a professional, so-called medical

01:50:14.220 professional.

01:50:14.780 That's how things were going behind the scenes.

01:50:16.800 So they're definitely saying one thing behind the scenes, and then they're saying another

01:50:20.880 thing on air.

01:50:22.180 And then it goes up.

01:50:23.540 So you've got Nicole Wallace at Deadline White House.

01:50:26.560 Then you've got Chris Hayes all in.

01:50:29.660 And then after that, you've got Rachel Maddow, which really took it to the next level.

01:50:33.580 And we alluded to it earlier when she made this really an election issue and said, this

01:50:38.840 is the Trump administration's mistreatment of immigrants.

01:50:42.960 And Dr. Amin is part of that.

01:50:44.500 And going through the child separation policy and going through tracking of immigrant women's

01:50:50.300 menstrual cycles when they're in detention, and now Dr. Amin, the next chapter.

01:50:54.140 And that was such a terrible, outlandish thing to say.

01:50:59.040 But even more so because earlier that day, when she was internal records during discovery

01:51:04.600 revealed, she had been having her production meeting with her team.

01:51:08.400 And she starts out saying, if it's true, we should go with it.

01:51:12.280 But there's some reason to be doubtful here.

01:51:15.300 I think there's a lot of jumping to conclusions.

01:51:16.980 And then according to the document, eight minutes later, she is saying, this is going

01:51:23.320 to be the A block.

01:51:24.520 And this is going to be the chapter of this immigration situation with no evidence that

01:51:29.500 we ever saw that any new information came in.

01:51:32.240 And that, to me, is just so egregious.

01:51:35.700 And she's got such a platform.

01:51:37.040 And so many people look up to her as a smart and hardworking and thorough journalist.

01:51:41.380 And for her to be so flippant about Dr. Amin and what he did here just was really too much.

01:51:49.060 Did she explain in the deposition why the change of heart in eight minutes?

01:51:54.220 No, no, there was not that.

01:51:56.880 And in fact, for her and some of the other folks that we deposed on air talent, but also

01:52:03.300 producers, what struck me was how flippant folks were about, that was a long time ago.

01:52:10.040 I do a lot of stories.

01:52:11.520 I don't remember.

01:52:13.060 That one just didn't stick out for me.

01:52:15.440 And I thought, how callous.

01:52:17.460 And yeah, maybe it was a flashpoint in time for you.

01:52:21.840 Maybe it was part of some agenda for you.

01:52:24.040 But this was Dr. Amin's life.

01:52:26.500 This is what he lives with every day.

01:52:28.300 Maybe you can move on from it in a second and put it out of your mind and not worry

01:52:31.620 about how reckless you were.

01:52:33.220 But he had to live with this.

01:52:34.560 He had to live with the death threats, the bomb threats, the constant calls to his office,

01:52:40.100 the following of him, the name calling, some of the most vile things to be called.

01:52:45.780 His own staff, he had several Hispanic women working for him.

01:52:51.660 He lost some employees over this.

01:52:53.300 A lot of the women stayed.

01:52:55.780 And they took also flack in their own communities and with their family and friends because they

01:53:01.400 were working for him.

01:53:02.520 But they knew, I mean, they knew this man.

01:53:04.780 They knew that this wasn't true.

01:53:05.980 They knew that how these women were treated, which was well when they were in Dr. Amin's

01:53:10.800 office.

01:53:11.200 And thank goodness they stood by him.

01:53:13.120 But it was a terrible time.

01:53:14.580 He wasn't able to move on.

01:53:16.560 Can you tell the story, Stacey, of what happened with his son, who was off to the Cleveland

01:53:20.960 clinic as a doctor in his own right?

01:53:23.760 Absolutely.

01:53:24.120 Dr. Amin's son, his middle name is Mahindra, the same as Dr. Amin's first name,

01:53:29.000 um, Paraj Mahindra, I mean, Dr. Amin himself.

01:53:32.820 And, um, when all of the, the news hit and Dr. Amin was very scared about what was going

01:53:38.620 to happen to him and others, he immediately thought of his son and he called his son.

01:53:41.640 He said, you might get calls because your name is so close to mine.

01:53:44.780 Um, and if you get calls, just tell them you don't know me, just tell them that you don't

01:53:49.560 know me, that it's just a coincidence that you have the same name because he was so concerned

01:53:53.900 that his son who had just gotten his dream job was going to be affected negatively, um,

01:53:58.860 about this so much so that he was just like, pretend like you don't know me.

01:54:02.080 And that just breaks my heart.

01:54:03.580 I mean, Dr. Amin is a father of four, um, caring husband, doctor, father, and, and to

01:54:09.680 know that he had to say that to his son.

01:54:12.600 Um, it, it just, it's heartbreaking.

01:54:15.340 Especially in light of what you just said, which is they had doubts.

01:54:18.840 They reverse them.

01:54:20.780 It seems clear.

01:54:21.760 They did that because they thought it was a story that was going to work for team blue

01:54:25.740 and for their own ratings, notwithstanding their knowledge that there were serious holes

01:54:30.540 in the story.

01:54:31.440 And then we're so callous and discussing it.

01:54:33.420 Like, I don't know.

01:54:33.960 I, I ruin a lot of people's lives.

01:54:35.440 I'm not sure.

01:54:36.060 That's really kind of how it sounds like I've ruined a lot of people since Dr.

01:54:39.920 I mean, can't, can't keep up with them all.

01:54:42.060 Um, look, I have empathy for news organizations because we're all in a position of trying to report

01:54:46.020 on day's news and sometimes you get duped.

01:54:48.620 Sometimes you have dishonest brokers.

01:54:50.600 The thing that makes this story different.

01:54:52.340 And that really makes a villain out of the actors you've mentioned is that they knew or

01:54:58.380 had reason to know this one was false.

01:55:01.340 It would have been a totally different story.

01:55:03.500 If they had her word, they couldn't get in touch with Dr.

01:55:07.100 Amin.

01:55:07.680 They didn't get a denial and they, they reported it straight as look, she's filed this whistleblower

01:55:13.300 complaint.

01:55:13.980 This is what she's alleged.

01:55:14.900 We're going to continue to try to reach out to him and get comment, whatever.

01:55:18.060 But they didn't, they actually did go beyond that.

01:55:20.400 And when they got there, they learned that the story had a tons of holes in it.

01:55:25.920 And then even then you could potentially avoid liability.

01:55:29.040 If you went on the air and said, here are the allegations and here are all the holes in

01:55:32.640 it, right?

01:55:33.540 Like that too could potentially spare you, but just going with these are the allegations.

01:55:38.960 Oh, and by the way, he gave us a denial.

01:55:40.680 And without reporting any of the serious problems you've discovered behind the scenes, that's

01:55:45.100 what got you to defamation because for some reason they decided to treat him as a public

01:55:49.760 figure, even though it wasn't, but whatever, it's not important.

01:55:52.000 Um, so you had a higher burden and bringing a defamation claim, um, against MSNBC and NBC.

01:55:58.780 And you had to prove actual malice on their part that they knew what they were saying was

01:56:04.380 false or behaved in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity.

01:56:08.600 And I think that latter point is that's where all these messages came in.

01:56:12.820 You, you submitted in the case, um, text messages between Julia Ainsley, who you mentioned in

01:56:17.700 Jacob's Jacob Soboroff, she texts to him saying, but only two hysterectomies, or do you think

01:56:24.440 they only referred those?

01:56:25.780 And he also did others.

01:56:27.500 She's trying to say, maybe they referred others and we don't have a record of them.

01:56:30.380 And Soboroff answers, I think it's possible or likely lots of lawyers saying it.

01:56:35.700 Um, then you've got this one source, an immigration lawyer named Sarah Owings, who told Soboroff

01:56:41.700 that she and her colleagues were not finding evidence of a large number of hysterectomies.

01:56:47.120 The Rachel Maddow meeting that you just outlined that guy, you mentioned from standards and

01:56:51.200 practices, Chris Scholl, you say standards weighed in on this prior to the airing of the

01:56:55.380 reports, but this is from a follow-up segment that Chris Hayes was going to do two days after

01:57:00.320 the original report where standards, this guy, Chris Scholl is jumping up and down saying that

01:57:05.200 you don't have it.

01:57:06.240 Like, stop doing this.

01:57:07.620 The quotes are, uh, Scholl saying, we don't know if the doctor did anything wrong here.

01:57:12.920 In fact, the guy has a pretty clean record.

01:57:16.100 Scholl doubted the credibility of that nurse Wooten in the same call quote, and the whistleblower

01:57:20.060 has no direct knowledge of this stuff.

01:57:22.120 She kind of has a beef, right?

01:57:24.000 She's got a whole separate agenda here.

01:57:26.820 Scholl admitted in the deposition, the network did not know the truth.

01:57:29.560 And as to televising the accusations, he said, we would have to approach this with a great

01:57:34.040 deal of transparency with viewers and say, look, we don't know the truth.

01:57:37.980 That's my understanding too, Stacey, that like, when you've got somebody making, you know,

01:57:43.040 whistleblower allegations like that, and you've got a strong denial on the other side, you

01:57:47.320 investigate it and you find a bunch of reasons to doubt the allegations.

01:57:49.920 It's a judgment call as to whether you tank the story entirely, but in some instances,

01:57:57.280 you might put it on the air anyway.

01:57:58.760 Like if it's big enough and it's like serious enough, you might put it on the air anyway,

01:58:02.320 but you would have to outline all the doubts that had been found in your reporting about

01:58:07.780 it so that the viewers knew to keep a very healthy dose of skepticism on the allegations.

01:58:12.320 I mean, you practice in this area.

01:58:14.160 Am I right?

01:58:16.020 Yeah, absolutely.

01:58:16.620 I mean, that's really what the guy from standards was saying is that if we're going to do this,

01:58:20.140 we've got to, we've got to caveat it with this and this and this, and then it's worth

01:58:24.200 saying, why are we even doing the story?

01:58:26.100 And he acknowledges during one of those internal calls too with Chris Hayes and his producers,

01:58:31.000 hey, we can get to the bottom of this and we can find out.

01:58:33.580 But by the time we find out, we're not going to want to do the story anymore.

01:58:36.580 It's going to be too late.

01:58:37.460 I mean, really just sort of acknowledging how they were rushing here.

01:58:40.820 And, and I agree with you.

01:58:41.840 Before Trump gets reelected.

01:58:43.440 Yeah.

01:58:43.800 I mean, the media, the media has an important job and I know it's got to be hard.

01:58:48.480 And, and I've had cases that have come to me and I've started looking at them and I'm

01:58:51.960 like, oh, this is a great case.

01:58:53.180 This is a great case.

01:58:54.440 But when you find out facts that tell you it's not, when you're in the media and you

01:58:59.400 have, you think you have this great story, but then you find out facts that tell you,

01:59:03.500 that show to you that it's not, you have to stop.

01:59:06.680 And I think you said it, it was just too good.

01:59:08.680 They had gotten, they really wanted this.

01:59:10.980 I think Julia Ainsley and Jacob Soboroff, they had done this book on, or Soboroff had

01:59:15.840 done a book on the child separation policies.

01:59:18.220 They had won some awards for reporting in that.

01:59:20.380 This was their next immigration story.

01:59:22.280 They wanted it so much that even though their own sources, their own immigration lawyers

01:59:27.380 in Georgia were saying, we are not seeing it.

01:59:30.920 Even though ICE was saying two hysterectomies, even though this was not a firsthand account,

01:59:35.580 they just couldn't stop themselves from doing it.

01:59:38.940 And then those text messages that you showed, some of those go into the night after the

01:59:42.960 first night of reporting.

01:59:44.900 And you have them even saying, gosh, I've got to know if it's true.

01:59:48.500 I can't move on.

01:59:49.420 I wonder if it's true.

01:59:50.320 Do we think that the attorneys that did talk to us and told us that they found one, do we

01:59:55.740 think they conspired?

01:59:56.980 I've heard mixed things about Don Woot and the alleged whistleblower.

02:00:00.380 They are questioning it and they didn't stop.

02:00:03.120 It's a hard job, but when you learn better, when you know better, you do better.

02:00:09.000 And they just didn't do that here.

02:00:10.980 If it's okay, I wanted to real quickly, you mentioned how we had to meet that actual malice

02:00:15.640 standard and we did.

02:00:16.300 That is so hard.

02:00:17.460 It is so hard.

02:00:18.260 It's so hard.

02:00:19.000 To get my summary judgment on actual malice.

02:00:21.020 So I have to pat ourselves on the back for that for our team.

02:00:24.260 But we did.

02:00:24.820 Right, because you would have expected that this judge could have thrown your case out

02:00:27.760 at summary judgment.

02:00:28.460 And that's really what I think led to the settlement, right?

02:00:30.180 The judge did not throw out the case at summary judgment.

02:00:32.500 In fact, you got summary judgment on the critical facts of your case, which is, it is not true

02:00:37.300 that he is a uterus collector.

02:00:39.660 Right, right.

02:00:40.520 We got, we got, it's so rare for a plaintiff to get summary judgment.

02:00:43.560 We got summary judgment on several of the statements being false as a matter of law.

02:00:47.220 And she said, no evidence of mass hysterectomies, no evidence of high numbers of hysterectomies.

02:00:51.460 And obviously he's not a uterus collector.

02:00:53.460 But we had to prove actual malice here.

02:00:55.640 And we were allowed to go to the jury on that.

02:00:57.520 If the case had continued, we'd be in trial right now or next week.

02:01:00.180 Um, but we had to prove actual malice here, even though Dr.

02:01:03.840 Amin is not a public figure because Georgia has a very, um, strict anti-SLAPP statute,

02:01:09.400 um, strategic lawsuit against public participation is what SLAPP stands for, for the viewers

02:01:13.420 and listeners.

02:01:14.680 Um, and so when you have statements on air or in publications about issues of public concern,

02:01:20.380 which this was deemed to be that you have to reach that actual malice standard, um,

02:01:25.500 regardless of public figure status.

02:01:27.440 And so that's why we had to do that.

02:01:29.040 There's been some, we could get nerdy on the law.

02:01:30.860 There's been a little bit of changes since, since that happened.

02:01:33.020 And I have some disagreement about how that was applied here, but that's why it wasn't

02:01:36.880 because he was a public figure, but because in, in this case, the court had deemed this

02:01:40.960 an issue of, um, public concern.

02:01:43.220 And so we had to meet that higher standard, which is very, very hard.

02:01:46.380 And, um, I'm really proud of our team.

02:01:49.140 Well, NBC saw it coming because once they lost at summary judgment and you were barreling

02:01:54.740 toward trial, I think they understood exactly how this is going to go over in front of a

02:01:58.500 jury and you settled.

02:02:00.800 And I've, I've heard you say you're very happy with the settlement.

02:02:03.440 Can you add any color to that?

02:02:06.300 Well, the settlement terms themselves are confidential, so I really can't.

02:02:09.500 Um, but I can say that Dr. Amin is very happy to be able to move on from this.

02:02:13.840 I mean, this is, we filed this case in the fall of 2021.

02:02:17.000 So this has been going on for a very long time for him.

02:02:20.060 Um, and so he's very glad to be able to move on from it and, and very glad that, that you

02:02:24.700 and some others have been interested in sharing his story because it's, um, it's been so hurtful

02:02:29.940 for him.

02:02:30.440 And like I said, his staff and his family.

02:02:32.120 And so to be able to, to have the truth come out, to be able to get that, um, that accountability,

02:02:38.980 um, for the truth, uh, just means so much to him.

02:02:42.200 And I appreciate you letting us tell that story.

02:02:45.460 Of course.

02:02:45.740 He's still practicing now, right?

02:02:48.220 He is.

02:02:48.760 He is still practicing.

02:02:49.740 He's good.

02:02:50.540 He's, he is.

02:02:51.500 I, I describe him.

02:02:52.460 He is a doctor.

02:02:54.080 He is a doctor.

02:02:54.980 He is a doctor.

02:02:55.520 He's a doctor.

02:02:56.100 Um, I don't, other than when I told him he needed to wear, um, a business casual outfit,

02:03:01.840 at least for his deposition, I've never seen the man not in scrubs.

02:03:05.160 Um, we have a mediation or whatever we have.

02:03:07.200 He's coming in scrubs because he's, he'll, he'll take a break and he'll go, he'll get

02:03:11.440 a call.

02:03:11.760 He'll have to go deliver a baby.

02:03:13.140 He just wants to know, when can I get back to seeing patients?

02:03:16.480 Um, he loves it.

02:03:17.420 He's really good at it.

02:03:18.720 The community, um, fortunately still loves him down there.

02:03:23.020 Um, he, he had some trouble for a while, but everybody, um, luckily it seems like everyone's

02:03:28.000 come back around and he'll, he'll never know all the naysayers that are out there.

02:03:31.800 Um, but he's very important to the community.

02:03:33.500 He loves them and they love him.

02:03:35.440 And yeah, all he wants to do is practice medicine.

02:03:37.440 I should end with this.

02:03:38.300 There's, there never was a lawsuit against the nurse, right?

02:03:43.040 There actually is a pending lawsuit against her.

02:03:45.380 We have a, um, state court case against, um, Sinclair Broadcasting and Don Wooten, um, jointly

02:03:52.240 that's pending right now in Tift County, uh, Superior Court.

02:03:55.420 So that, that one is yet to be resolved.

02:03:57.380 Okay.

02:03:58.220 Yeah.

02:03:58.400 I wondered about that.

02:03:59.020 Cause I saw, she spoke out to the guardian or at least the guardian offered a, an article

02:04:04.500 about her in 2022 and, uh, she, she's blaming a very low dejected mental state on, on her

02:04:12.420 time as a whistleblower saying, uh, post whistleblowing, I am on antidepressants.

02:04:19.640 At one time I was suicidal, couldn't pay the bills, still can't pay the bills.

02:04:22.960 My whole nursing career just plummeted.

02:04:24.820 I'm back on food stamps.

02:04:26.160 I'm back on welfare.

02:04:27.020 I'm back on Medicaid.

02:04:28.160 I'm back trying to figure out how I'm going to make ends meet, et cetera.

02:04:33.000 So what is she defending the lawsuit?

02:04:35.380 Does she have counsel?

02:04:37.780 She is defending the lawsuit.

02:04:39.420 She does have counsel.

02:04:40.380 It's in a, we we've got a procedural issue that we've got to work through before we get

02:04:44.280 to discovery, um, in that case.

02:04:46.080 And so a lot is still sort of paused, but I do think it's worthy, uh, of note that the

02:04:51.440 government accountability project, which were her lawyers throughout the, the media frenzy,

02:04:56.580 um, and, and it was a representative of the government accountability project that was

02:05:00.400 on air with her at Chris Hayes, the government accountability project.

02:05:03.380 If you go to their website and you scroll down to the bottom of their homepage, you will

02:05:07.180 see a retraction by them.

02:05:09.300 Um, basically retracting anything bad they've ever said about Dr.

02:05:12.760 Amin and his medical practices, accusing him of mass hysterectomies, everything like that.

02:05:16.780 I don't see anything like that from Don Wooten.

02:05:18.960 We'll see if we ever get there, but at least, um, the lawyers that were with her at this

02:05:22.980 crucial time back in the fall of 2020, they have retracted it all.

02:05:27.440 Wow.

02:05:28.020 You don't get that every day in practicing defamation law.

02:05:31.420 Thank you so much for coming on and telling his story and all the best to both you and

02:05:36.460 the good doctor.

02:05:37.520 Thank you so much.

02:05:38.500 Really appreciate it.

02:05:40.000 Wow.

02:05:40.240 What a story.

02:05:41.100 Unbelievable.

02:05:42.260 All right.

02:05:42.480 Speaking of good doctors, uh, we're going down to interview one exclusively Dr.

02:05:47.320 Marty McCary, the new head of the FDA praise Jesus will be on this show tomorrow.

02:05:54.500 You guys have seen him on this show as Johns Hopkins doctor who pushed back against some

02:05:59.940 of the COVID nonsense.

02:06:01.080 He came on to talk about his book, which is very Maha friendly.

02:06:04.640 And now I'm dying to talk to him about what he has found in the first couple of weeks,

02:06:10.740 kicking the tires over at the FDA.

02:06:12.860 This will be great.

02:06:14.420 He's an honest broker and there aren't a lot of them in, you know, these medical policy setting

02:06:20.940 positions, at least not pre Trump.

02:06:22.960 So what, what did he find?

02:06:25.480 I can't wait.

02:06:26.460 It's tomorrow.

02:06:27.360 See you then.

02:06:30.320 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

02:06:32.360 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - April 16, 2025

Blue Origin ＂Mission＂ Brutally Mocked, and Defamation Case Against NBC, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Stacey Evans ｜ Ep. 1050

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