The Megyn Kelly Show - Bombshell New Hunter Biden Charges, and Harry and Meghan's ＂Racist Royals＂ Drama, with Matt Welch, Liz Wolfe, and Maureen Callahan

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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.420 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:45.780 a bombshell development for the Bidens.

00:00:48.120 Less than five months after Hunter Biden's sweetheart plea deal fell apart

00:00:52.520 because of that smart judge who saw that they were trying to give him

00:00:56.180 the deal of a lifetime.

00:00:58.140 The first son has been indicted on nine tax charges, three of them felonies.

00:01:03.900 In the lengthy indictment, Hunter is accused of a years-long scheme to avoid paying taxes,

00:01:08.860 instead choosing to spend his millions on things like drugs, escorts, girlfriends,

00:01:12.720 exotic cars and so on.

00:01:14.640 In short, to quote the indictment, everything but his taxes.

00:01:18.200 Now, keep in mind, these charges cover from 2016 to 2019.

00:01:25.080 They have to exclude years 14 and 15 because David Weiss, the prosecutor behind the charges,

00:01:32.460 allowed the statute of limitations to run.

00:01:34.980 Those are the two years in which Hunter was taking all the money from Burisma

00:01:39.540 and had all of his foreign contacts while his dad was in office.

00:01:46.600 And many believe that those were intentionally allowed to lapse because nobody wanted Joe Biden

00:01:51.700 brought into any of this.

00:01:53.600 And guess what?

00:01:54.460 He isn't and won't be.

00:01:57.160 He isn't and won't be.

00:01:59.020 And that is clearly by design.

00:02:01.020 Hunter Biden's in some trouble.

00:02:02.420 There's no question.

00:02:03.180 But just bear in mind, there's a reason 14 and 15 have nothing to do with this lawsuit.

00:02:10.280 These guys, it's disgusting.

00:02:13.800 He was forced to get tough.

00:02:15.980 He was forced to get tough after he was embarrassed by that judge.

00:02:20.220 When David Weiss, this prosecutor, tried to give Hunter Biden a complete pass on all of this

00:02:26.340 and let him walk with just a misdemeanor.

00:02:29.480 Thank God for that judge who said, what are you doing?

00:02:32.320 What's in this document that you didn't actually even call to my attention?

00:02:36.400 She just happened to find the attempt to give her the slipperoo as she read deep into the documents.

00:02:42.160 Now publicly humiliated because he was running cover for the president's son.

00:02:48.380 He's had to bring the charges.

00:02:50.260 First, the gun charge and now the tax charges.

00:02:53.280 But again, not the ones for the most important years that would have brought in potential charges

00:02:58.500 against Hunter on being a foreign agent who is unregistered.

00:03:03.260 Any bribery charges, anything involving the big guy, Joe.

00:03:09.480 These charges brought today completely vindicate, by the way, the two whistleblowers that we

00:03:14.460 interviewed on this show last summer, Joseph Ziegler and Gary Shapley.

00:03:18.760 They were destroyed by the left, absolutely destroyed as liars, self-serving, trying to cover

00:03:25.380 their own backsides because they'd been removed from this investigation for allegedly leaking

00:03:29.500 to the press, which they totally deny.

00:03:32.460 You know, they were smeared as like anti-Biden dishonest guys.

00:03:38.720 B.S.

00:03:39.180 Their allegations, other than the one piece of it, which is this statute of limitations

00:03:44.620 was allowed to expire and David Weiss told us he wasn't the ultimate decision maker, have

00:03:50.560 been completely vindicated.

00:03:51.680 That's what they said in a statement to CBS News.

00:03:53.580 They call the indictment a complete vindication.

00:03:55.940 Meanwhile, Hunter's attorney, Abby Lowell, argues that if Hunter Biden's last name were anything

00:04:00.080 other than Biden, these charges would not have been brought for Hunter single tier.

00:04:04.360 But if Hunter's name was anything other than Biden, he likely would not have made the millions

00:04:08.860 of dollars he did.

00:04:11.880 And, you know, these two whistleblowers said the opposite was true in any event, like a

00:04:15.780 lot lesser known people have gotten prosecuted and served a lot longer time than anything

00:04:21.580 Hunter's looking at.

00:04:24.120 This latest indictment carries a maximum sentence of 17 years.

00:04:27.420 Andy McCarthy says Hunter is facing another 25 in a separate gun case.

00:04:32.520 That won't happen.

00:04:33.280 Of course, his dad could potentially pardon him.

00:04:36.660 Wouldn't that be interesting?

00:04:39.140 Wouldn't that be interesting?

00:04:40.720 Would he do it on his way out from a one term only?

00:04:44.560 Could it be his swan song out of the Oval Office?

00:04:49.960 Well, the Biden White House and its predicament is pretty interesting.

00:04:53.620 Andy McCarthy, again, of National Review, he predicts at a minimum this would be extremely

00:04:57.660 embarrassing for the Biden administration if this case ever goes to trial.

00:05:00.780 Yes, he's 100 percent right.

00:05:03.280 And what of 2024?

00:05:04.660 How does this play in?

00:05:06.440 The New York Times now explicitly asking, should Biden really run again?

00:05:12.560 Hmm.

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00:05:45.680 Joining me now, Reason Magazine's Matt Welsh and Liz Wolfe.

00:05:49.580 Matt is also co-host of The Fifth Column, as you know, and comes on with his other buddies

00:05:53.140 occasionally.

00:05:53.840 And Liz is co-host of Just Asking Questions.

00:05:56.820 Matt and Liz, welcome back to the show.

00:05:58.760 So it is getting pretty interesting.

00:06:01.100 I don't want anybody to fall for, oh, you know, David Weiss, he's tough.

00:06:05.140 These are tough charges.

00:06:06.480 He was forced, forced after he'd been humiliated and then tried to attack those whistleblowers.

00:06:11.480 But good that what was left of the charges against Hunter have now been filed.

00:06:16.760 And yeah, this could be very embarrassing and tough for this White House to deal with, Matt.

00:06:22.320 And I presume also that in the process of both the indictment and whatever prosecution, to

00:06:29.700 the extent that they actually go through with it and it isn't a re-plea-bargained away, that

00:06:34.300 we will see some information about how he got the money to begin with.

00:06:37.380 Because if you're going to be spending $683,000 on payouts, various women, in a four-year span,

00:06:46.520 first of all, that's aspirational.

00:06:47.660 Second of all, why do you need the extra $189,000 for adult entertainment?

00:06:52.400 I figure, like, you got to choose a lane one of these ways.

00:06:55.200 But that money had to come from somewhere.

00:06:57.880 And you're absolutely right.

00:06:59.000 And everybody's right when they point out that Hunter Biden wouldn't be out there necessarily

00:07:02.140 earning that money through his talents alone.

00:07:06.220 It's all because of his last name.

00:07:08.260 And so there will be hopefully some discovery of that.

00:07:10.860 That's where I think there's two parts where there's an American, like, public interest in

00:07:15.300 this.

00:07:15.540 You know, I could, I'm not generally moved by people, by tax avoidance cases, being a

00:07:22.000 crazy libertarian, you know, on some level, Hunter Biden, porn, drugs, tax avoidance, you

00:07:26.720 know, libertarian hero, what's not to like?

00:07:28.720 But the interest is, the interest for all of us is, one, is the double standards that you

00:07:33.760 point out.

00:07:34.660 But two, precisely that, to what extent has he in the process of absolutely cashing in on

00:07:40.940 his family name and his father's connections, including when his father is vice president?

00:07:44.140 To what extent do did that relate to Joe Biden and American policy?

00:07:50.180 I presumed at the when this first came up before the last election that it didn't immediately

00:07:57.180 make sense that this would affect Joe Biden, like like it would change the way that he

00:08:02.240 conducted himself in foreign policy.

00:08:03.700 But I think we've seen a lot already through the reporting that there's more there that's

00:08:07.720 interesting to look at.

00:08:08.740 I want that looked at.

00:08:10.380 And if this trial doesn't get there, I hope that various congressional investigations

00:08:14.400 and committees get there, because that is where our real interest lies, in addition to

00:08:20.060 making sure that you can't just get away with doing all kinds of crazy nonsense just because

00:08:23.980 you're the president's son.

00:08:25.340 What are the odds he becomes the Libertarian Party's candidate for president?

00:08:27.980 Well, he's a Libertarian hero nowadays, right?

00:08:31.620 Please, one of you run if that if that starts percolating.

00:08:35.300 So here's the thing.

00:08:36.320 I mean, watching the Hunter Biden trial, if that's where this goes, as opposed to a plea,

00:08:40.840 will be interesting.

00:08:41.920 I mean, it's certainly we would cover it if any president's son got indicted on multiple

00:08:45.540 felonies like this.

00:08:46.880 But you won't be hearing anything in that trial about Joe Biden.

00:08:50.220 I mean, you will not be hearing anything about it because David Weiss and this DOJ have made

00:08:54.700 sure of it.

00:08:55.260 And so the only lane in which you're going to hear anything about Joe Biden is the Congressional

00:08:59.840 House investigation and potential impeachment if it advances to an actual impeachment against

00:09:06.220 him.

00:09:06.800 And that can be dismissed as political.

00:09:09.040 And, you know, likely I mean, they certainly don't have the votes necessarily even for an

00:09:13.160 actual impeachment, never mind for a conviction, which would have to happen in the Senate.

00:09:16.800 So they've protected Joe Biden.

00:09:19.620 That's really the bottom line, Liz.

00:09:20.780 Well, the other issue is the pass that the mainstream media is giving Hunter Biden and

00:09:26.160 Joe Biden in their coverage of this.

00:09:27.980 I mean, even just really allowing I was reading so many different write ups of this this morning

00:09:32.120 and allowing that Hunter Biden lawyer line about his last name and how he would be treated

00:09:38.680 differently if he had a different one.

00:09:40.680 I don't know.

00:09:41.720 I mean, that is such a canned answer from a lawyer.

00:09:44.820 And I am surprised that we haven't seen more mainstream media pushback on that.

00:09:49.140 To me, that shows the value in more and more independent journalists really beginning to

00:09:55.080 cast a little bit more attention on this type of thing.

00:09:58.440 I mean, this is a huge, glaring double standard.

00:10:00.740 And also, what a sad thing.

00:10:02.960 You know, this says something really awful about the state of American politics that,

00:10:06.300 you know, Trump is obviously embroiled in all of these different legal battles.

00:10:10.060 And then now Joe Biden's son is, too, like, can we not just get like a normal candidate

00:10:14.960 for president who's available, who's not just constantly breaking the freaking law?

00:10:19.660 It's so true.

00:10:20.580 Like, where are the decent people?

00:10:22.580 You know, I actually think you looked up at that stage the other night, like Ron DeSantis,

00:10:26.760 what he maybe he didn't resonate entirely with people and his campaign, but that's a decent

00:10:31.040 man.

00:10:31.680 That's a decent man.

00:10:33.140 He's got a wife.

00:10:33.940 He's got kids.

00:10:34.680 You know, there haven't been any any real allegations against him whatsoever that he's

00:10:41.120 not a decent person.

00:10:42.080 Like, why can't we have that?

00:10:44.380 No one's perfect, but it's it's so frustrating like this.

00:10:47.900 These are grifters in the White House right now.

00:10:50.280 It's a grifting family trying to get rich off of us.

00:10:52.940 And it's a lie, Matt, that if you or I did not pay one point four million dollars in

00:11:00.060 federal taxes over four years, the the IRS would not come for us.

00:11:05.640 We would get pursued, audited and charged 100 percent.

00:11:11.320 Oh, man, I'm just picturing the Megyn Kelly trial here for unpaid taxes and the lurid headlines.

00:11:17.420 I mean, that media double standard.

00:11:18.920 I mean, think about it going up, going back to the Hunter Biden laptops story.

00:11:22.920 How many journalists cheered on, like literally cheered on the suppression of that story last

00:11:29.100 time around?

00:11:29.900 There's like the the media, the newspapers of my youth, which had a great time with Billy

00:11:37.540 Carter back in the day.

00:11:39.640 It would be unrecognizable.

00:11:41.200 Now, Hunter Biden, just as a character, just as comic relief, as a human walking embarrassment.

00:11:46.720 That's my favorite artist you're talking about.

00:11:48.920 I'm a great NFT artist telling like if you're not even interested in Roger Clinton, Roger

00:11:55.580 Clinton.

00:11:55.960 Yeah.

00:11:56.140 I mean, we used to have a good time poking fun at presidential families.

00:12:00.540 But actually, to your your your question about, you know, why can't we get decent people?

00:12:05.560 We're part of the blame of this.

00:12:06.760 I mean, why do why did we get George Santos, who, again, is a great comic relief, at least,

00:12:11.600 and is doing some really wonderful work over there on on cameo these days.

00:12:15.400 But the reason that we got George Santos is because Democrats absolutely bungled the basic

00:12:21.940 governance of New York City.

00:12:24.060 All the suburban congressional districts went Republican and they didn't even know who they

00:12:28.260 were voting for.

00:12:28.780 They just didn't want to vote for a Democrat, which I totally get.

00:12:31.600 But when we're in a two party system and you just need to express your revulsion of the

00:12:35.560 other guy, you don't care.

00:12:37.560 You just don't about what is wrong with the guy that you have.

00:12:40.880 Joe Biden was a terrible presidential candidate in 1987, so bad that, you know, he had to bow

00:12:47.640 out.

00:12:47.960 And it was embarrassing how much he plagiarized his own life story from British politicians.

00:12:52.760 By the time he came around as the only person who could sort of smite Donald Trump, people

00:12:56.560 just say, you know what?

00:12:57.900 Who cares if he sits and at every single time that he's grieving with a family, he makes

00:13:02.860 up stuff about his own family tragedies and where he was when this thing happened and

00:13:08.280 son being killed in war, son being killed in war, his his his uncle, you know, giving

00:13:13.220 him a purple heart and he didn't want to accept it.

00:13:15.520 None of this is true.

00:13:16.360 He does this all the time.

00:13:17.340 I mean, if you go to PolitiFact slash Joe Biden, even though journalists don't make a big

00:13:21.680 deal out of it, he says banana stuff all the time.

00:13:24.600 And journalists generally don't care about it too much because he is a vehicle for smiting

00:13:29.980 down Donald Trump.

00:13:30.860 So it's our our polarization and hatred of the other side that allows us to look the

00:13:35.180 other way, not just when people themselves are bad, but when there's lifetime of corruption.

00:13:39.620 If you're in public service and government elected official positions for 50 years as Joe

00:13:46.120 Biden has been.

00:13:46.940 So as old as Liz's parents, he's been in public service.

00:13:51.640 Yes, your family is going to be getting rich off your name.

00:13:54.760 That's normal.

00:13:55.720 That happens with all kinds of politicians.

00:13:57.540 And it shouldn't be something that we just sort of accept is the status quo.

00:14:01.400 It's disgusting, actually.

00:14:03.200 We also have this huge issue with the amnesia, right?

00:14:05.060 Like you brought up the plagiarism scandal.

00:14:06.740 OK, I bet a lot of people my age, that's not even on their radar.

00:14:10.540 Right.

00:14:11.000 But that's something that, in my view, should be pretty disqualifying from public office.

00:14:14.700 I mean, I'm in favor of mercy and redemption, generally speaking, when applied to, you know,

00:14:19.080 private individuals, nobody should be canceled for something they did 10 years ago or what

00:14:23.340 have you.

00:14:24.300 But I'm sorry, we're talking about somebody seeking the highest office in all the land.

00:14:27.980 I'm a little bit concerned about what that says about their character.

00:14:30.480 If they're plagiarizing something and then we just sort of collectively forget about it

00:14:34.400 and allow them to continue to have this massively successful political career.

00:14:39.020 I think we should hold elected officials to a higher standard.

00:14:42.600 And and our public officials, frankly.

00:14:44.180 But it doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, nothing matters.

00:14:47.880 Just this past two weeks, they had the Kennedy Center honors the other night where Joe Biden

00:14:53.500 couldn't say Dionne Warwick.

00:14:55.040 He kept calling her Diane and he didn't know who Barry Gibb was.

00:14:58.500 He kept calling him Billy.

00:14:59.940 You know who else was honored at the Kennedy Center?

00:15:02.600 You know who else?

00:15:03.580 Billy Crystal.

00:15:04.760 Just FYI.

00:15:06.120 Do you know who once opened up the Academy Awards in full blackface?

00:15:11.460 Oh, yeah.

00:15:12.440 Billy Crystal.

00:15:12.760 Billy Crystal.

00:15:14.180 And do you know who's going to be hosting the Academy Awards this year?

00:15:18.580 Jimmy Kimmel.

00:15:19.920 Do you know who's worn blackface repeatedly and spoken in an inner city sort of urban accent

00:15:27.580 saying she needs to darn those socks?

00:15:30.480 Jimmy Kimmel as Oprah, as a fat suited blackface darning socks, Oprah.

00:15:36.280 Now, if you are of the left, that's fine.

00:15:39.080 If you are of the right and happen to just say, hey, people used to wear blackface and

00:15:45.800 nobody freaked out about it, you get fired.

00:15:48.780 Right?

00:15:49.320 I could speak to that firsthand.

00:15:50.880 I never wore blackface.

00:15:52.200 Never.

00:15:52.640 But I'm just saying it's fine.

00:15:54.180 Opened the Academy Awards in blackface.

00:15:57.400 Wore blackface repeatedly and now hosting the Academy Awards.

00:16:00.400 It's the same thing for Joe Biden.

00:16:02.260 You can plagiarize and get forced out of a presidential race and then become.

00:16:07.400 What is plagiarism?

00:16:08.700 It's dishonesty.

00:16:10.120 It's unethical.

00:16:11.560 He became president.

00:16:12.820 And what did he do?

00:16:13.940 More dishonest and unethical things.

00:16:16.280 If you look at the charges against his son, particularly relating to Burisma, the Chinese,

00:16:21.440 et cetera.

00:16:22.740 I think that Jimmy Kimmel should run for office in Virginia.

00:16:25.680 You know, they've really indicated that they're totally fine with their politicians doing that.

00:16:29.060 So maybe he has a shot there.

00:16:30.180 I'm just stuck on Billy Gibb, which you broke that news to me, Megan.

00:16:34.380 And there's just no way that a human being can mistake Barry Gibb, a titan of songwriting

00:16:42.540 and a lion of a man for Billy Gibb, unless he was thinking about Billy Carter.

00:16:48.320 Who is Billy Gibb?

00:16:49.640 There is not, there's not like a, no, no, he just like, he just screwed it up.

00:16:54.860 And like I was saying the other day, that Billy, Barry Gibb, the Bee Gees, that's his

00:16:58.800 era.

00:16:59.380 That's 1970.

00:17:00.600 Hello.

00:17:01.060 He was still, I don't know.

00:17:02.720 He was probably like about 70 then.

00:17:06.540 He should remember him.

00:17:09.540 Yeah.

00:17:10.420 The, the, your double standard thing also applies to what we're seeing now.

00:17:15.540 And, uh, uh, with the college presidents and free speech and antisemitism debates there

00:17:21.320 too, right?

00:17:21.980 There's an asymmetry always when you have these, you know, who can walk on eggshells and who

00:17:27.400 doesn't have to, um, uh, like sort of how you are on the, uh, oppressor oppressed political

00:17:33.380 sliding scale of who is allowed to get away with transgressions.

00:17:36.800 Um, and these debates, uh, uh, just show that illustrate that constantly.

00:17:42.500 And it's a reason why so many people are apoplectic watching, um, college presidents

00:17:47.360 tried to sort of wiggle out of, uh, you know, whether you say something that is genocidal,

00:17:52.420 um, uh, but it's towards Jews who are seen as an oppressor or class these days, then it's

00:17:57.360 maybe okay.

00:17:58.040 This stuff is, sounds bananas to everybody else.

00:18:00.620 That double standard is absolutely glaring to everybody else.

00:18:03.500 The solution from it, uh, which I think, uh, that Vivek Ramaswamy, I know you and him had

00:18:09.080 had some, uh, productive disagreements, uh, and just an interesting exchange post debate

00:18:12.880 over this.

00:18:13.820 Uh, I think the solution of it is in, is in his direction of let's not try to expand the

00:18:19.960 things that we're going to cancel people over or expand the punishments for speech.

00:18:24.500 But let's also immediately, if you are a college president, or if you're someone who's

00:18:29.880 really policing, you know, blackface, uh, comedic, uh, sketches from 15 years ago, uh,

00:18:35.200 the first thing you need to do is retroactively apply your new standard of free speech to all

00:18:41.080 of the times that you crack down on people, usually in a political direction in the past.

00:18:45.720 Um, and until those people start doing that, I am not going to believe their free speech

00:18:49.240 laments even for a microsecond.

00:18:51.140 Well, the other thing that I would bring up that actually connects weirdly enough to the

00:18:55.800 New York post Hunter Biden laptop story is American voters aren't stupid.

00:19:01.360 They don't appreciate these double standards.

00:19:03.160 Maybe, you know, especially when you, you censor and crack down on articles, uh, that

00:19:08.000 bring this type of thing to light, maybe it takes some time to catch on, but ultimately

00:19:12.420 more trust is squandered in the wrong long run when you show this hypocrisy in this way.

00:19:17.580 And so I, it's like, they're so interested.

00:19:20.040 So much of the left is interested in these short-term gains and they fail to anticipate in the

00:19:25.400 long run, people aren't going to take kindly to this type of double standard and they're

00:19:29.200 going to notice.

00:19:31.360 Um, I just want to spend one moment on the Biden family ethics because there was something

00:19:36.220 out, uh, you know how last year they got in trouble for hanging all the little stockings

00:19:39.940 by the fireplace and they didn't acknowledge Navy Biden, you know, their seventh grandchild

00:19:44.120 Hunter's child's child.

00:19:45.560 Well, I guess what they did.

00:19:46.580 And then, uh, one Friday of a holiday weekend, late in the day, they submitted a paper statement

00:19:51.220 acknowledging her, um, this year reportedly no stockings at all by the white house fireplace.

00:19:58.060 Just, let's just skip it.

00:20:00.060 Now it's no grandchildren, right?

00:20:02.320 Like forget it.

00:20:03.700 There's no one's going to be acknowledged because we don't want to acknowledge little

00:20:07.140 Navy.

00:20:07.580 They're such nice people.

00:20:08.640 And here's a little fact.

00:20:10.220 Um, here's a little recap.

00:20:11.420 You don't have to go to politifact for some of Biden's top lies.

00:20:14.540 We've got them right here.

00:20:15.440 He was, he claimed he was arrested during a civil rights march.

00:20:18.300 Not true.

00:20:19.520 He spent part of a summer working as a tractor trailer driver.

00:20:22.420 No, he was arrested while trying to meet Nelson Mandela.

00:20:25.820 No, sir.

00:20:26.520 His son, Beau was killed in Iraq.

00:20:28.560 Untrue.

00:20:29.200 He graduated top of his class in college.

00:20:31.520 In fact, he graduated near the bottom.

00:20:33.640 Uh, he admitted once that he does overstate, overstate his academic record or that he did

00:20:38.900 in the 1980s, but explained it away by saying, I exaggerate when I'm angry.

00:20:44.360 So he's angry a lot.

00:20:48.300 That's his problem.

00:20:50.100 Now, before we leave the topic of Joe Biden, I must simply must, um, first show you what

00:20:56.200 he's saying about whether he had anything to do with his son's nefarious dealings with

00:21:01.020 the Chinese and all these other businesses that we know Joe Biden was calling in to those

00:21:05.340 meetings, talking to Hunter, be put on speaker.

00:21:07.420 Everyone will hear Hunter's close with the big guy.

00:21:10.320 It wasn't like, Hey, give Hunter money, but it was very obvious what was going on.

00:21:14.360 Uh, he was asked about it and here's what he said in Sot 1.

00:21:18.300 President Biden, on Ukraine and also China, uh, there's polling by the Associated Press

00:21:23.060 that shows that almost 70% of Americans, including 40% of Democrats, believe that you acted either

00:21:29.580 illegally or unethically in regards to your family's business interests.

00:21:33.540 Can you explain to the Americans, uh, to Americans in this impeachment inquiry, why you

00:21:38.760 interacted with so many of your son and brothers, foreign business associates?

00:21:41.960 I'm not going to comment that I did not.

00:21:44.680 And it was just a bunch of lies.

00:21:46.840 You didn't interact with neither of his associates?

00:21:49.800 I did not.

00:21:50.700 There's lies.

00:21:52.620 Wow.

00:21:54.100 Someone needs to work with him on what no comment is.

00:21:57.700 Uh, and just, uh, and I've said it here before, like just the, the gap between his, um, performance

00:22:06.020 ability, uh, uh, live on camera in 2023 from even 2019 is just, uh, it's shocking to the

00:22:14.180 eyeballs, not shocking for those of us who have aging parents, um, or grandparents, but,

00:22:18.700 uh, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's so visible.

00:22:21.460 Um, and he, he's going to do this.

00:22:23.020 He's just going to say lies right wing.

00:22:24.600 Um, and then he's going to take great umbrage, uh, cause he's a family man and he's going

00:22:28.920 to see how far he can get away with that.

00:22:31.020 Um, but it's part of the, what Liz was talking about before, just sort of these things pile

00:22:36.740 up in terms of someone's overall credibility, just being eroded.

00:22:40.380 Uh, it's not that I, you know, necessarily that everybody thinks Joe Biden is a crook,

00:22:44.480 but people can look at that and see the way that he's covering up for his absolutely piece

00:22:49.540 of garbage son, um, and, and say that there's something smells funny and you can't just keep

00:22:55.020 dismissing it out of hand with, with a wave of your hand and pretend it's all a right wing

00:22:59.320 plot.

00:22:59.680 Uh, especially now that there's, you know, a, a, a pretty serious, uh, indictment that didn't

00:23:05.720 even cover all of the potential areas of, uh, of criminal activity.

00:23:10.140 So he's got a problem.

00:23:11.780 Democrats have a problem and their, uh, approach towards it.

00:23:14.400 And the media's kind of, uh, uh, approach towards helping them has been to say,

00:23:19.360 what about Trump?

00:23:21.360 And that's not an effective way to clean your own house.

00:23:23.600 Um, I have, uh, plenty of problems with Mr. Donald Trump as I do with every president

00:23:28.460 and most every politician.

00:23:29.780 Um, but Democrats are not going to win the 2024 election by pretending Joe Biden isn't

00:23:36.100 old and doesn't have serious credibility problems with voters.

00:23:39.700 But well, look to that point, two things, Hunter Biden, first of all, has already said he's a hundred

00:23:44.800 percent sure that he's going to be cleared on all wrongdoing charges.

00:23:47.880 But second of all, you, to your point of, you know, watching this president and seeing

00:23:53.020 him diminish, I, you've got to see this clip.

00:23:55.660 He was speaking at the tribal nations summit and thought it might be cool to imitate, imitate

00:24:01.940 the voice of a little girl whom he claims spoke to him recently.

00:24:06.660 Listen, Oh no, I restored protections for my predecessor, gutted by my predecessor, um, at three national

00:24:15.640 monuments, grand staircase and beer's ear, bear's ears.

00:24:21.040 And by the way, you don't know how that happened.

00:24:22.840 I was in a plane and a little girl came up to me.

00:24:24.620 And she said, Mr.

00:24:25.880 President, can you take care of biz's ears?

00:24:30.700 And I, I thought she said, can I take care of her ears?

00:24:35.720 I said, what, honey?

00:24:36.460 She said, biz is, it's really important.

00:24:40.560 And guess what?

00:24:41.540 She was dead right.

00:24:42.620 And we did take care of it.

00:24:43.600 I, um, I just, I wouldn't, first of all, there are so many things wrong with this.

00:24:53.920 Um, I don't even know where to start.

00:24:56.360 One of them being that you should not take like executive policymaking direction from

00:25:02.120 children that you randomly meet, right?

00:25:04.040 Like Matt has an eight year old.

00:25:05.580 She's lovely.

00:25:06.460 She should not dictate anything about how anybody, you know, conducts, like creates policy for

00:25:12.420 the country, right?

00:25:13.060 Like that's just patently obvious.

00:25:14.280 I confess that completely skipped over my head.

00:25:17.020 I was so focused on the little imitation.

00:25:18.900 You're, it's a very valid point.

00:25:21.060 Well, the imitation itself is just absolutely bananas.

00:25:24.680 I wish this, uh, you know, were compelling to the many people who seem to continue to

00:25:30.760 greet him as this candidate that is worth supporting.

00:25:34.020 And it's just, it's so stunning to me.

00:25:37.260 I mean, I don't mean to, um, crapple over the gerontocracy with Matt in the room, you know,

00:25:41.640 my elder over here.

00:25:42.760 Um, but I do think we have a serious problem in American politics where if we're looking

00:25:47.820 at our lead contenders for president and they're, I don't know, 80, 81 years old, to me, that's

00:25:53.420 a really big problem.

00:25:54.400 They're not mentally fit to serve.

00:25:56.440 And for whatever reason, a lot of the mainstream media doesn't feel comfortable pointing this

00:25:59.920 out.

00:26:00.200 I was reading a New York times article today that literally sort of like embedded the

00:26:05.020 insinuation at the very beginning that maybe Biden is getting a little senile, but then

00:26:10.880 very quickly shifted the focus to Trump's, uh, mental fitness.

00:26:14.000 And it's just like, don't you see that people see right through this crap?

00:26:19.360 Well, and you know, no one's getting any younger, you know, we've got another, what year plus

00:26:24.560 of this presidency.

00:26:25.320 We've got another four years coming for both of these men who look like they're going to

00:26:28.560 be the standard bearer for their, for their parties.

00:26:31.680 No one's getting younger.

00:26:32.860 Everyone knows how it goes.

00:26:34.040 Even just my, in my own life, four years ago, I feel like I was sharper than I am today.

00:26:37.520 And I'm relatively young, um, the white house and Biden's campaign knows this is a problem.

00:26:46.820 That's very clear.

00:26:47.960 They've tried to protect him now with the short stairs and the sneakers and, um, making sure

00:26:53.180 there are no sandbags and no cords anywhere, which is, I mean, smart whenever you're dealing

00:26:56.660 with an elderly, elderly person.

00:26:58.100 But in any event, this was interesting.

00:27:00.740 Uh, they're reporting that Quentin folks, who's the principal deputy campaign manager for

00:27:07.160 Biden Harris was asked if Mr. Biden is committed to participating in the presidential debates,

00:27:14.020 the three general election debates, because the presidential debate commission released

00:27:19.680 the schedule as they always do for when those are likely to take place or when they're supposed

00:27:23.960 to take place.

00:27:24.660 September 16th, October 1st, October 9th, the places are set Texas state university, Virginia

00:27:29.800 state university, and the university of Utah.

00:27:31.980 So the debate commission is already out there.

00:27:34.420 They've set it up.

00:27:35.040 They expect it to happen.

00:27:35.840 And this is going into an election year supposed to happen.

00:27:39.100 So they were asked, will he participate?

00:27:41.460 And the answer was at the end of the day, we're focused on building a campaign.

00:27:46.720 We'll have those conversations.

00:27:49.520 Now, why would it be anything other than of course?

00:27:53.280 So a reporter pointed out, well, that sounds like a no.

00:27:55.700 And then his response was, no, I said, the campaign is going to take a look at the schedule.

00:28:03.660 We're going to have this conversation.

00:28:06.320 But as of right now, our focus is on building a campaign and infrastructure while Republicans

00:28:13.140 remain in a divisive primary, yada, yada.

00:28:15.820 That is not a yes.

00:28:17.780 And there's a reason it's not a yes, Matt.

00:28:20.640 Yeah, there's two avenues that I think that they're looking at.

00:28:24.440 One is it's obvious if Donald Trump is the nominee, which is the most likely scenario,

00:28:30.160 Biden has his out, which is that, oh, I'm not going to share a stage with this horrible

00:28:35.540 insurrectionist, likely criminal who should be behind bars.

00:28:39.320 That's giving dignity to something.

00:28:41.820 It's going to be an attempt to de-platform a presidential party nominee.

00:28:47.200 And you're going to see a lot of that, both from Biden and from a lot of journalists.

00:28:53.000 It's going to be a pretty interesting scenario.

00:28:55.560 But that's a cover also for the fact that he's just too old to debate.

00:29:01.340 And it's going to be bad.

00:29:02.880 I mean, imagine him trying to go up against Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis.

00:29:07.120 That would be pretty that would be pretty brutal.

00:29:10.400 And, you know, Ron DeSantis is pretty stiff.

00:29:13.180 He's not the world's most gifted sort of physical debater.

00:29:16.380 But on paper and on policy, transcripts are his friend in debate.

00:29:22.580 So he had a pretty good transcript debate this week with you.

00:29:25.740 But but he still run laps around Joe Biden.

00:29:29.060 Of course he would.

00:29:29.800 And so I think we're at the end of the commission on presidential debates cycle in many ways.

00:29:36.340 It's a it's a garbage organization itself.

00:29:38.820 It's the it's a major party attempt to elbow out any possibility of minor parties.

00:29:44.100 They will if RFK Jr., who I'm no particular fan of, is polling at 20 percent, which, you

00:29:51.760 know, is unlikely.

00:29:52.540 But he has been so far in three way polls on occasion.

00:29:55.840 They will find a way to make sure he's not on that debate stage.

00:29:58.780 If there was even a debate stage, they are set up to exclude third party and independent

00:30:03.720 candidates, which is the total opposite of what a debate commission should be done.

00:30:09.240 So I think it's bad to not have debates among the major parties.

00:30:13.500 On the other hand, I think I look forward to that commission on presidential debates to

00:30:19.060 be blown up.

00:30:19.720 It is a it is a crap organization.

00:30:21.920 Well, the DeSantis Newsom debate could have served as a sort of interesting format for how

00:30:26.420 we could engage going forward.

00:30:28.040 That was kind of interesting because Newsom hasn't declared as running for president.

00:30:32.800 I mean, that might be a little bit better if Biden had a challenger from within his own

00:30:36.700 party.

00:30:36.960 But ultimately, I think it was a little bit of a flop because at least I was expecting

00:30:40.880 this litigation of covid policy of California versus Florida and a little bit of a reckoning

00:30:46.840 with the actual facts and what actually happened with a few years of distance from that.

00:30:51.660 That really isn't what happened.

00:30:53.480 And unfortunately, they spent very little time on that.

00:30:55.760 Newsom had a lot of kind of BS talking points about California's record and making it seem

00:31:01.040 like the lockdowns were a lot less damaging to residents of California than they actually

00:31:05.220 were.

00:31:05.800 So I thought that that was kind of an interesting format.

00:31:08.060 And I'm kind of excited about the different creative ways that the two sides are finding

00:31:14.720 to engage with each other.

00:31:16.040 But I do think the format still needs some more workshopping because that ultimately didn't

00:31:20.120 really give me what I wanted as a viewer, which was a reckoning of, you know, a really,

00:31:24.360 really tragic deprivation of civil liberties that people are still reeling from.

00:31:29.640 I want to just go off for one second and think about a presidential debate with Joe Biden

00:31:35.520 on the one hand and any one of the four undercard candidates on the Republican side.

00:31:41.720 I realize they are not likely to rest this thing away from Trump.

00:31:45.680 But think of Joe Biden versus, let's say, Chris Christie.

00:31:51.400 Let's say Vivek.

00:31:53.540 My God.

00:31:55.140 I mean, I know those two guys are not going to get the nomination.

00:31:57.380 I'm just saying, imagine it.

00:31:58.640 Imagine it.

00:31:59.160 And Nikki Haley's very, very nimble.

00:32:01.500 And DeSantis is getting better.

00:32:03.200 But any one of the four of them would clean his clock.

00:32:08.780 And what would his excuse be for not debating them?

00:32:13.640 You know, it's just one of the things for Republicans to consider.

00:32:16.920 Imagine how much what the word ratio be.

00:32:19.320 Give Vivek and Joe Biden equal time.

00:32:23.260 Vivek will say, what, a hundred times more words than Joe Biden will?

00:32:28.200 Joe Biden will be trying to, like, pronounce, you know, mimic a four-year-old for 25 minutes.

00:32:34.900 And Vivek will have, like, read an entire phone book.

00:32:38.060 I think that actually Vivek would be the best possible scenario for Biden because he could do what Nikki Haley kind of tried to do this week and didn't really manage.

00:32:48.100 But just to sort of like, you know, shut up, kid.

00:32:51.240 You're bothering me.

00:32:51.980 I think he could play that.

00:32:53.840 Chris Christie, I think, did that more effectively.

00:32:56.380 But Chris Christie would kill him.

00:32:58.200 I realize Republicans don't like him.

00:33:00.160 Refer you back to my initial question, to Chris Christie.

00:33:02.100 Yes.

00:33:02.340 However, he would kill Joe Biden rhetorically in a debate.

00:33:05.560 There would be, it would be an absolute bloodbath.

00:33:08.380 I would buy a ticket to it tomorrow.

00:33:10.940 And Chris Christie, you know, what's interesting about him is, as I pointed out, Trump's approval rating is at 81%.

00:33:16.380 Christie's is at 25%.

00:33:18.160 It's almost, you know, exactly the inverse, right?

00:33:21.180 It's almost, it's like you were forced to choose a side, Trump or Christie.

00:33:24.620 And the Republicans chose Trump.

00:33:26.580 And, you know, in almost an exact equal proportions, they sided against Christie.

00:33:30.920 I don't know if Chris Christie has a future in the GOP or coming back to, you know, leadership in some way.

00:33:35.860 Maybe in a post-Trump world, you know, or if they somehow make up, that could happen.

00:33:40.820 Because I do think Christie is a good man who, who could still be a good lawmaker.

00:33:45.600 Just, he's got to get, like, you can't, and this is Trump's Republican Party.

00:33:49.280 And you're just not going to go anywhere by being his chief antagonist.

00:33:51.940 All right, quick break, quick break.

00:33:53.200 Want to get to the campus antisemitism.

00:33:54.660 And we've got to get to the Council Against Islamic Relations, or of American Islamic Relations.

00:34:01.340 Matt's been covering this group, CARE, for a long time.

00:34:03.400 So have I.

00:34:04.520 And we're going to get to what just happened with them.

00:34:06.920 Thank you.

00:34:10.820 We saw those three university presidents give testimony this week on college, on, before Congress.

00:34:18.080 They were the presidents of MIT, Harvard, and UPenn.

00:34:24.160 And they were just a hot mess.

00:34:26.680 They were completely cold.

00:34:28.640 They were pretty nasty.

00:34:29.960 There was no empathy at all for what's happening to the Jewish students on their campuses.

00:34:33.860 And they went full legal, you know, free speech.

00:34:38.180 Uh, can't outlaw it, can't do anything about it unless it's pervasive and amounts to conduct that would equal harassment.

00:34:47.220 Now, if you're talking about strict First Amendment law, that happens to be correct.

00:34:51.680 However, college campuses have engaged, that are not public, and do not have the state hand on top of them,

00:34:58.120 have had way more restrictive free speech policies for some time now.

00:35:01.480 And these three in particular, I mean, like Harvard, we've been covering, they're the worst in the nation when it comes to protecting free speech.

00:35:08.040 Worst in the nation officially, as monitored by fire, which actually keeps count.

00:35:13.360 And, um, there's been tons of blowback.

00:35:15.820 I've been actually kind of encouraged at how much blowback they've gotten.

00:35:18.320 Here's just a sampling of what they testified to, and then we'll get to the cleanup now that's happening.

00:35:23.680 Dr. Cornbluth, at MIT, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying and harassment?

00:35:36.460 Yes or no?

00:35:37.380 If targeted at individuals, not making public statements.

00:35:41.900 Yes or no?

00:35:43.340 Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying and harassment?

00:35:46.960 I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews on our campus.

00:35:50.420 But you've heard chants for Intifada.

00:35:51.980 I've heard chants, which can be anti-Semitic depending on the context, when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people.

00:36:00.240 Specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?

00:36:07.460 If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.

00:36:11.580 So the answer is yes.

00:36:13.200 It is a context-dependent decision.

00:36:15.400 So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide of Jews violates Harvard's code of conduct.

00:36:22.520 Correct.

00:36:24.960 Again, it depends on the context.

00:36:27.440 It does not depend on the context.

00:36:29.520 The answer is yes, and this is why you should resign.

00:36:32.740 These are unacceptable answers across the board.

00:36:35.300 Mm-hmm.

00:36:37.700 Elise Stefanik is so strong, and she's been praised in a lot of corners.

00:36:41.380 Even her detractor is now praising her.

00:36:43.220 But here's Claudine Gay.

00:36:45.800 Claudine, you're getting fired.

00:36:46.960 There's no question in my mind.

00:36:48.180 You've handled this whole thing abominably from the beginning.

00:36:50.520 Sorry, this is just your latest error.

00:36:52.860 She comes out and tries to have yet another go at it.

00:36:56.380 But I'm not—you take a guess.

00:37:00.880 It's basically, you know, it's terrible to call it for genocide with all of our Jewish students on campus.

00:37:06.880 Sorry I missed that first time around.

00:37:08.800 Then you've got Liz McGill of UPenn.

00:37:12.560 She put out a video message, as Alan Dershowitz was saying.

00:37:16.320 Anything that begins with, I want to be clear.

00:37:18.100 Nine times out of ten is not clear.

00:37:19.800 But here's what she said.

00:37:20.920 And I was asked if a call for the genocide of Jewish people on our campus would violate our policies.

00:37:30.720 In that moment, I was focused on our university's longstanding policies aligned with the U.S. Constitution,

00:37:38.840 which say that speech alone is not punishable.

00:37:43.520 I was not focused on, but I should have been,

00:37:46.760 the irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of Jewish people

00:37:51.720 is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate.

00:37:57.840 It's evil, plain and simple.

00:38:00.980 In my view, it would be harassment or intimidation.

00:38:04.160 You're an idiot.

00:38:06.040 You're an idiot.

00:38:07.120 She had to get browbeaten for days to get to that conclusion, Matt.

00:38:09.880 I know you're as pro-free speech as I am,

00:38:12.960 but look at the way they conduct their campus approach to free speech for the past ten years

00:38:19.600 versus what they're now saying.

00:38:22.420 The idea that, you know, I answered the question because, you know,

00:38:25.740 we're tethered fully in constitutional protection and that speech can't be punished.

00:38:31.860 Speech is punished on your campuses all the time.

00:38:35.280 That's the problem.

00:38:36.680 Every day it's punished.

00:38:38.360 I mean, people, there are professors who've been on the butt end of Title IX investigations

00:38:42.640 for expressing different ideas about how sexual assault rules can be prosecuted on campus.

00:38:50.900 That's crazy.

00:38:52.260 And those investigations, too, you can't even face your accuser.

00:38:55.820 So you have these kangaroo courts that are established to absolutely prosecute free speech

00:39:03.580 or punish people for their speech.

00:39:04.900 Fire, who you referenced before, used to be the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

00:39:09.180 And now they've thankfully broadened out to expression because they're taking the old ACLU position

00:39:14.200 since the ACLU has long since abdicated its role in protecting free speech.

00:39:18.260 But they still maintain this emphasis.

00:39:19.880 And what they will tell you is that there has been an absolutely crazy binge, a wave of speech crackdowns on college campuses over the last 10 years since 2014.

00:39:32.080 I was just remembering this morning.

00:39:33.660 It was 2014 when my alma mater, UC Santa Barbara, there was a gender studies professor who went up to a 16-year-old kid in the free speech zone.

00:39:44.280 And the 16-year-old kid was an anti-abortion protester, and she had pictures of aborted fetuses.

00:39:51.380 And that's what happens when you talk about abortion politics, and you see these kinds of displays all the time.

00:39:59.800 It's part of the discourse about it.

00:40:01.500 And this professor went up, snatched her son, stole her property, and then went into an elevator.

00:40:08.160 Why is the kid going, hey, that's mine?

00:40:09.220 And then ripped it up and then pushed the kid, right, at a university, and then was defended by the chancellor and by 2,000 students who signed a petition

00:40:19.820 and saying that it was these outside agitators coming to our campus to try to divide us.

00:40:24.760 That is the mainstream of where speech is at on college campuses.

00:40:28.460 So, no, she is BS-ing in the face of losing $100 million donors and looking bad.

00:40:33.700 And I think part of this, too, is that the skills that you need to-

00:40:36.800 Did that just happen?

00:40:37.300 The $100 million thing did just happen.

00:40:39.540 One of the donors just pulled $100 million.

00:40:41.020 Keep going.

00:40:41.440 Yeah, that thing that happened today or yesterday.

00:40:44.040 The skills that are required to rise to the top of the food chain in academia, they're political skills.

00:40:49.560 You have to figure out how to run this incredible, crazy, impossible-to-understand gauntlet of making sure you don't step on this mine over here

00:40:58.440 that have to do with sort of identity politics.

00:41:00.080 So, you do this and you learn all kinds of jargon that is completely indecipherable by design to normal people.

00:41:06.380 And by the time you get to the top, you've mastered this thing, and it gives you the opposite of political skills when trying to talk to the rest of humanity.

00:41:14.380 And that's what we saw this week.

00:41:16.020 And it was glorious, actually, to watch how badly that their language, their styles, their way of trying to police and crack down on speech looks when read to normal Americans.

00:41:28.120 And I appreciate that, Kamuffins.

00:41:30.460 Well said.

00:41:31.280 Well said.

00:41:32.040 Liz, the absurdity of their position is, you know, if you took any other group and you said, okay, so there's a bunch of, like, KKK students somehow made their way into Harvard or UPenn or MIT

00:41:43.320 and gathered in, like, mass throngs outside of the dorms and walked across campus chanting, we need to kill all Blacks.

00:41:51.560 Blacks have got to go.

00:41:52.540 Hey, hey, ho, ho.

00:41:53.520 All the Blacks have got to go.

00:41:55.200 I'm sure their testimony in front of Congress would have been exactly the same.

00:41:58.220 Oh, exactly the same.

00:41:59.680 You know, like, we're committed to the free speech and hate spiancy.

00:42:02.920 It takes a lot.

00:42:03.680 You've got to add in conduct in order for us to have a problem.

00:42:06.860 Oh, bull.

00:42:08.940 It's profound hypocrisy.

00:42:10.800 And frankly, I'll just level with you guys.

00:42:13.420 I'm angry that it's taken a decade for some of these big donors to realize what we all knew was happening.

00:42:20.160 I'm sorry.

00:42:20.720 I went to college from 2014 to 2016.

00:42:23.120 It was abundantly clear to me as an 18 and 19 and 20-year-old what was happening then.

00:42:29.700 You know, I started publishing in my campus newspaper and the amount of just astonishing ire, this sort of, like, interest in censoring people

00:42:37.880 and this total disinterest in creating a legitimately classically liberal speech-permissive environment.

00:42:43.100 I mean, it was profound.

00:42:44.280 You saw this in the wake of the Ferguson, Missouri, like the sort of earlier wave of police brutality-related protests.

00:42:50.320 I mean, why is it that it's taken these donors 10 years to pay attention to this thing that's happening?

00:42:56.580 And in the meantime, what has happened is DEI administrators have been paid astonishing sums of money to do God knows what.

00:43:05.740 I mean, basically codify a system of ensuring that kids in their orientation classes, and I shouldn't say kids.

00:43:12.140 I should say adults because these are 18-year-olds and those are adults under U.S. law.

00:43:16.180 But, you know, putting them into all these orientation workshops where they're taught about the importance of sensitivity

00:43:22.400 and policing microaggressions, and, you know, when a controversial campus speaker like Barry Weiss,

00:43:28.600 who was shouted down literally this week at the University of Texas at Austin,

00:43:32.760 you know, when one of those speakers is present,

00:43:35.480 there is this expectation from adults on these campuses

00:43:39.900 that they have access to a little safe space room with pillows and the ability to build bubbles

00:43:45.300 and maybe, I don't know, a trained therapist on site to process their feelings.

00:43:49.240 It is, it was always totally unacceptable.

00:43:52.040 It was totally unacceptable in 2013 and 2014, and it's totally unacceptable now.

00:43:56.640 It is so profoundly angering that it took student groups using Hamas paragliders as poster art

00:44:06.780 to actually drive home this point to people who should have been the adults in the room.

00:44:13.000 Here is that incident that happened to Barry Weiss that you just referenced a couple days ago.

00:44:18.360 It's hot 10.

00:44:18.680 Look at this.

00:44:38.300 University of Texas.

00:44:38.940 This is a Jewish woman.

00:44:40.460 She's an American Jewish woman in America trying to give her perspective,

00:44:44.200 and she's got some problems with the massacre of the Jews,

00:44:47.100 and this is what they do to her.

00:44:49.020 But thankfully, they did have security on hand,

00:44:51.300 and they got, those people got the boot.

00:44:52.800 They got booted right out of there.

00:44:54.040 They would have loved to have silenced her.

00:44:57.400 Yeah, it's infuriating, and it's not just happening on these college campuses.

00:45:00.460 You know, these radicals are everywhere.

00:45:02.940 There was an incident, I'm sure you guys saw this,

00:45:05.080 where a Jewish woman was kicked out of a cafe called Farley's East.

00:45:10.960 It was reporting here in the New York Post.

00:45:13.100 Well, just some background, because there's various versions of the clip going around.

00:45:17.680 So it's filmed after this Jewish customer was trying to get into the restroom,

00:45:22.260 and these three employees of the cafe at Farley's East denied her,

00:45:26.660 and they said to her, free Palestine.

00:45:29.500 She had apparently already seen inside the restroom that there was anti-Jew graffiti,

00:45:35.000 and she wanted to go in there.

00:45:36.460 Maybe she also had to use the bathroom.

00:45:38.020 I don't know, but she definitely wanted to get a shot of the graffiti,

00:45:42.340 and these snotty three employees gave her the hard no.

00:45:47.960 They were actually telling this Jewish woman in a public place

00:45:51.540 she could not use the restroom.

00:45:52.960 Here's what happened.

00:45:54.820 We've given you all your food.

00:45:56.340 I want to go into the restroom.

00:45:57.300 You're holding up shit.

00:45:58.520 Also, currently, this is a private property.

00:46:00.740 I want to go into the restroom.

00:46:02.240 I do need you to leave.

00:46:02.920 I know Israel loves taking private property and saying it's their own,

00:46:06.400 but we've got to head to you.

00:46:08.200 You're not going to let me go into the restroom?

00:46:10.300 I need you to leave.

00:46:11.100 I want you to go into the restroom.

00:46:12.500 I need you to leave, please.

00:46:13.440 I was patron here, and I have a right to go into the restroom.

00:46:16.360 And we have a right for a few cents.

00:46:18.000 Yeah, but I need to go into the restroom.

00:46:19.780 I'm asking you to leave.

00:46:20.780 No, you need to let me go into the restroom.

00:46:23.020 I don't.

00:46:23.780 I'm into the restroom?

00:46:25.140 You can use our other restroom.

00:46:26.260 We have another restroom.

00:46:26.960 No, I want to use this one.

00:46:28.500 You're not.

00:46:29.020 They're not ready.

00:46:29.620 All you don't get is a video of it saying that Zionism is angry.

00:46:33.440 Why are you afraid?

00:46:34.080 If you agree with it, why are you afraid that we take a picture of it?

00:46:37.040 Oh, actually.

00:46:37.800 Okay.

00:46:38.820 Why are you afraid of it?

00:46:40.300 Why?

00:46:41.180 Why are you afraid?

00:46:42.560 I'm not afraid of it.

00:46:42.700 Why are you afraid of it?

00:46:44.200 Because you're...

00:46:45.120 Yeah.

00:46:46.180 Yeah.

00:46:46.680 Please.

00:46:47.160 Yeah.

00:46:48.700 History that started in 1948, ladies.

00:46:52.700 Free Palestine.

00:46:53.540 Free Palestine.

00:46:54.600 It's always.

00:46:55.180 Please leave.

00:46:55.620 Thank you.

00:46:56.120 It's always.

00:46:56.780 Yeah.

00:46:57.420 Great.

00:46:58.140 We love it.

00:46:59.620 Thank you very much.

00:47:01.640 Oh, my God.

00:47:02.360 I'd like to smack that guy's face.

00:47:04.960 Yeah.

00:47:05.240 This is the way they treat their customers at Farley's.

00:47:07.740 Looks like a lovely place.

00:47:09.900 Yeah.

00:47:10.920 Let's not sleep on what that little punchable bearded nothing burger of a male specimen did.

00:47:19.320 He engaged in collective guilt.

00:47:21.840 He made that woman guilty of Israel's policy.

00:47:25.120 What is, you know, fill in the blank ism, right?

00:47:28.760 What is, it's group-based collective guilt and negative associations with someone.

00:47:36.500 If you were part of this team, if you're part of, like, you know, pale-skinned Texans over here,

00:47:42.520 then therefore every pale-skinned Texan is guilty of some kind of genocide against Mexican-Americans or whatever.

00:47:48.480 It's nonsense.

00:47:50.260 It is what we are supposed to be fighting against when we fight against actual racism, actual anti-Semitism.

00:47:58.060 It is this mindset of collective demonization of a group based on immutable characteristics.

00:48:03.760 That's what we should have been trying to get rid of in American society.

00:48:07.520 That's what a lot of these people claim to be trying to get rid of, and they're not.

00:48:10.880 They're actually embracing the tactics of it.

00:48:13.500 It's gross.

00:48:14.380 And if you start looking around all around you and seeing examples of it, particularly after the October 7th massacre, it's kind of shocking.

00:48:22.500 And people need to be filmed doing this.

00:48:25.360 They need to see themselves in the mirror doing this, I think.

00:48:28.940 I bet you both $100 that these are the same people who want us to forgive their student loan debt.

00:48:36.780 And, like, look, I'm not trying to make a bunch of assumptions based off of, you know, their dress, their appearance, their demeanor, what have you.

00:48:44.160 But I'm sorry.

00:48:44.960 You want me to pay up to shoulder?

00:48:47.800 Like, what?

00:48:48.920 How can you realistically think that you are in any way currying favor with other people?

00:48:54.060 I mean, this is just an abominable way to treat other human beings.

00:48:58.300 And if they're fighting for the side of human rights and decency and the cause of free Palestine and thinking about all of the, you know, Gazan refugees who are displaced, which is a very fair thing to be concerned about, even if you think Hamas is heinous.

00:49:12.240 If that is their side and they're on the side of decency and dignity and human rights, I don't know, maybe start treating people with some semblance, like some little tiny bit of respect in your day-to-day interactions with them.

00:49:22.200 My God.

00:49:22.880 I know.

00:49:24.140 History didn't begin in 1948, lady.

00:49:26.840 Lady.

00:49:27.380 Oh, my God.

00:49:28.840 This is so, I really kind of want to go to Farley's East and have a conversation with these morons.

00:49:36.680 For now, Farley's East says this was an error and it has taken corrective measures with our staff.

00:49:44.620 They apologized, but so far, no one's been fired from what we can tell.

00:49:48.600 Farley's, that's a mistake.

00:49:50.300 We're going to stay on it and Liz and Matt come right back.

00:49:53.520 Don't go away.

00:49:53.960 All right, guys.

00:49:58.340 So CARE, C-A-I-R, is back in the news and I know you're very familiar.

00:50:04.580 This is the Council on American Islamic Relations.

00:50:08.020 They call themselves an American Muslim civil rights organization.

00:50:12.700 No, they're not for civil rights.

00:50:15.760 They're for censorship, silencing anyone who is critical of radical Islam or anything having to do with somebody who happens to be Muslim who does something wrong.

00:50:24.940 You're not allowed to say it, according to CARE, because, I don't know, because they're CARE and they will threaten to sue you.

00:50:31.700 They've threatened to sue me so many times.

00:50:33.920 Guess what?

00:50:34.540 They've never done it and they're not going to do it now.

00:50:37.300 And if you want to, bring it.

00:50:39.200 Bring it.

00:50:39.760 I welcome it.

00:50:40.360 I will stick my lawyer, Brian Friedman, on you and we'll have some fun.

00:50:43.600 It'll be great.

00:50:44.820 In any event, CARE and its executive director, Nihad Awad, have stepped in it.

00:50:51.900 And how?

00:50:53.120 At a November conference, they maintain that they are not anti-Semitic.

00:50:56.620 They've maintained that all along, even though their founders had praised Hamas.

00:51:01.700 This guy I'm about to talk about once praised Hamas.

00:51:04.400 But he says, well, it was before it was officially formed.

00:51:06.900 Exactly.

00:51:08.240 No, but they're not anti-Semitic.

00:51:10.760 He was at a November conference hosted by the American Muslims for Palestine.

00:51:16.220 And this is what this executive director, Nihad Awad, had to say about the 10-7 attacks.

00:51:23.740 And yes, I was happy to see people breaking the siege and throwing down the shackles of their own land and walk free into their land.

00:51:37.880 And yes, the people of Gaza have the right to self-defense, have the right to defend themselves.

00:51:44.980 And yes, Israel as an occupying power does not have that right to self-defense.

00:51:50.760 Gaza became the liberation source, the inspiration for people.

00:51:56.920 The Gazans were the victorious.

00:52:01.400 Lovely.

00:52:02.660 So now, because this guy and CARE are tight with the White House, in particular, CARE was part of the Biden administration's U.S. national strategy to counter anti-Semitism strategy.

00:52:17.520 This group, who's executive director, was really happy on 10-7, they're breaking up.

00:52:26.540 The White House has now scrubbed its website to remove the CARE reference because they've come a couple of times and cooperated with the White House, that is, a couple of times.

00:52:37.020 It was in May, they cooperated with the White House on an anti-Semitism thing.

00:52:45.520 And now they're breaking up because he said this.

00:52:48.740 So the guy says it was all taken out of context.

00:52:50.740 It was taken out of context by an anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian hate website to distort his meaning.

00:52:56.420 He said he was referring to the Palestinians who crossed into Gaza, from Gaza, into Israel, after the border was breached that day, but did not themselves engage in violence.

00:53:06.880 You see, it wasn't, that's what he was talking about when he said that Israel has no right to self-defense and that Gaza became the liberation source, the inspiration, and that he was happy to see people breaking the siege and so on.

00:53:23.740 What do you make of it, Matt?

00:53:24.760 This is a lovely group.

00:53:26.420 None of that makes sense.

00:53:27.880 And it's worth actually, like, unpacking all of the ways that he builds towards this horrific conclusion.

00:53:35.820 So he says there's a siege.

00:53:37.660 There wasn't a siege.

00:53:39.220 A siege is when you surround.

00:53:40.940 There is now because you went in and raped everybody and killed 1,200 people.

00:53:45.400 You're going to get your ass sieged in that scenario.

00:53:48.380 But what was existing on October 6th wasn't a siege.

00:53:51.140 You don't allow 19,000 residents of Gaza to come in and work across the border into your country if it's a siege.

00:53:59.660 That's not what sieges look like.

00:54:01.840 The territories that they came in, another thing that it's wrong, it's not formally occupied Palestinian territory.

00:54:11.800 That's not what that is.

00:54:12.860 Some of those kibbutzes predate the founding of Israel.

00:54:15.320 So Jews have been living there a long time.

00:54:19.900 You know, the history didn't begin in 1948, lady.

00:54:22.460 Right.

00:54:23.400 In 1930, that kibbutz there where you just massacred all the people and threw grenades into the safe room where the kids were.

00:54:31.100 And Liz has seen those videos.

00:54:33.560 I'm not ever going to allow myself to be exposed to it.

00:54:37.940 That is not a siege.

00:54:39.400 That was not occupied territory.

00:54:40.880 So you're getting all these things wrong to build to this conclusion that Israel somehow doesn't have a right to self-defense.

00:54:46.900 That would be the only nation state or sovereign country in the world that doesn't have a right to self-defense.

00:54:53.020 That's kind of an odd formulation, too.

00:54:54.640 And these types of dumb things that people say over and over again, Gaza occupied.

00:54:59.800 No, it's been disoccupied since 2005.

00:55:03.140 But people say these things constantly without them being challenged.

00:55:06.880 And what October 7th did was it exposed those things in like the the ferment that has been going on.

00:55:13.520 All of the unchallenged things that have been said mostly on college campuses, but elsewhere and by activist groups, they need to be challenged because they're wrong.

00:55:21.540 And when you get the basic building blocks of your argument wrong, you're going to get to this monstrous conclusion.

00:55:27.620 And I'm glad that we live in an era where people record things and you have to like see what happens when the world sees the insane batshit stuff that you say.

00:55:37.440 Why would he be saying, Liz, that Israel had no right to defend itself and that Gaza has the right to self-defense?

00:55:45.280 Why would he be saying that if he was not justifying what happened, what Hamas did to the Israelis?

00:55:52.100 He's saying that Gaza, that Hamas was self-defending when it committed that terrorist attack.

00:55:59.620 That's very, very obvious.

00:56:01.520 And it falls in line with CARE as an organization and the positions it's taken for a very long time.

00:56:07.360 I mean, at this point, it's propaganda and the fact that it had a relationship with the U.S. government means it's kind of state-sponsored propaganda, at least a little bit.

00:56:17.180 The thing that I think is so stunning about that statement and then also, if you remember that Cornell professor a few weeks ago who had said that he was exhilarated upon seeing the footage.

00:56:27.700 And it was interesting because he was giving the speech in front of a bunch of students and he almost expected like this crowd to receive his exhilaration, his excitement with some amount of joy and agreement.

00:56:40.780 And in fact, he got a little bit of a tepid response, which is a good thing.

00:56:43.760 But it's astonishing that he felt in any way comfortable saying that he was excited and exhilarated to see this.

00:56:49.420 I mean, as Matt referenced, I went to the Israeli embassy and I saw the 45 minutes of footage compiled from GoPros and from traffic cameras by the IDF of the slaughter, the massacre on October 7th.

00:57:06.220 And the thing that I think is stunning to everybody who has seen that footage is the fact that these Hamas fighters, these militants, these terrorists reacted with such glee.

00:57:18.820 I mean, we all know the story of the Hamas terrorist who called his family back in Gaza and was, you know, exclaiming, Mom, Dad, I just killed 10 Jews.

00:57:29.720 I killed 10 Jews with my bare hands.

00:57:32.120 And there's just this it leaves you feeling completely nauseated the entire time.

00:57:38.260 This idea of I mean, this is just this is subhuman behavior.

00:57:42.060 This is profoundly horrifying.

00:57:44.020 And then to see that same type of glee recycled and trotted out by people affiliated with these organizations that we take seriously in the U.S., whether it be Cornell or CARE.

00:57:55.220 To me, that's a huge problem.

00:57:56.800 I do look forward to the day where we no longer take some of these very fancy sounding organizations seriously.

00:58:03.320 And universities.

00:58:04.140 Yeah.

00:58:04.420 I mean, I think this this could be the moment that breaks a lot of this.

00:58:07.700 A lot of us have been saying this for a pretty long time now.

00:58:09.940 I was actually even thinking about this because I was reading some articles recently that reference the American Academy of Pediatrics.

00:58:16.640 I'm sorry.

00:58:17.600 The organization that did the toddler masking like that's not an organization worth citing from now on.

00:58:22.940 And that once they're fine with cutting off body parts on kids who have a moment of gender confusion.

00:58:28.120 No problem.

00:58:29.160 They're they're a joke.

00:58:30.200 And no parent should be listening to them.

00:58:31.640 Honestly, they've they've sacrificed their credibility.

00:58:33.560 But wait, Liz, I I knew you were young.

00:58:37.000 I didn't realize you were quite that young when you were at by what you said earlier in high school in high school.

00:58:42.380 I was having arguments with CARE on Fox News and Matt was helping me.

00:58:48.060 I remember because I remember I love reason I've met.

00:58:50.480 I've liked Matt for a long time and read his stuff.

00:58:52.320 They they've always been like this.

00:58:54.480 They've always been.

00:58:55.340 And the thing about CARE is their chief cancelers.

00:58:58.940 They if you say anything that they deem anti-Muslim or anti-Islamic, they will work to get your movie canceled, your career canceled.

00:59:08.140 Guess what, CARE?

00:59:08.880 You're canceled.

00:59:10.020 You are canceled.

00:59:11.320 Your executive director said he was happy about 10-7.

00:59:14.980 It's done for you.

00:59:16.260 The White House is broken up for you.

00:59:17.860 And now all of mainstream cable and broadcast must break up with you because they put them on TV all the time like they're just some reasonable group of Muslims trying to stand up for the safety and civil rights.

00:59:32.600 It's a lie.

00:59:33.820 They've been radicals for a very long time.

00:59:36.680 My team went back and pulled a couple of clips from over the years of when I've done battle on this this group.

00:59:43.180 One, I think, is when they tried to ban Ayaan Hirsi Ali's movie, I think it was called Honor Diaries, about honor killings done in the Islamist world.

00:59:55.560 And they tried to have it pulled and Brandeis University did pull it.

00:59:59.900 Ayaan was a Muslim and has a lot of reasons to complain about this.

01:00:04.760 But no, CARE says she had to be silenced.

01:00:06.180 And then the second clip you're going to see, they're butted together, was when they tried to have Juan Williams fired from NPR after he admitted that this is nine years after 9-11.

01:00:16.620 The second clip is from 2010.

01:00:18.340 You were in middle school, Liz.

01:00:21.020 I think high school at that point.

01:00:23.560 Okay, okay.

01:00:24.140 But Juan is saying when he gets on an airplane and he sees men in Muslim dress, he gets a little nervous.

01:00:31.000 This is nine years after 9-11.

01:00:33.240 But then he was quick to say, and I feel bad about that.

01:00:35.480 Like, I know it's not all Muslim men.

01:00:37.620 He was just trying to start a conversation.

01:00:39.100 They pushed to get him.

01:00:39.720 They did get him fired from NPR.

01:00:41.300 Just a little walk down memory lane.

01:00:42.580 Here it is.

01:00:43.880 You don't want dialogue, sir.

01:00:45.560 You called for punitive action against him.

01:00:48.480 We didn't.

01:00:49.000 You could have made any sort of statement condemning the remarks, offering a different point of view, asking Juan Williams to come and discuss it, host a forum.

01:00:58.220 How can we get past this?

01:00:59.720 Instead, you wanted him gone, sir, and he is.

01:01:02.720 After and threatened, Reader's Digest, the American Medical Association, U.S. News and World Report, Atlantic Monthly, the Dallas Morning News, Fox News.

01:01:12.080 We did a segment on Honor Diaries just the other week.

01:01:14.740 You demanded a retraction, which you're not getting.

01:01:17.940 Every time you hear something you don't like, you try to shut down the message.

01:01:22.340 Whereas here in America, we like speech.

01:01:25.140 That's called the Constitution.

01:01:27.240 It's called the First Amendment.

01:01:28.460 Do you think the First Amendment allows more speech, even speech you don't like?

01:01:34.500 You were there, Matt.

01:01:35.560 You remember all that.

01:01:36.980 I just love to ship down haircut memory lane.

01:01:39.520 Personally, Megan, fantastic.

01:01:44.900 It's worth remembering that the tip of the censorious spear, does that make sense?

01:01:50.080 Is that going to work out as a metaphor, has been notions associated with Islam.

01:01:58.460 Before we got into the spasm of university cancellations and kind of the woke thing that's seen over the last 10 years, some of that comes with Ferguson.

01:02:07.140 It comes with George Floyd, the Me Too movement.

01:02:08.660 All that's been supercharged.

01:02:10.840 But what predates all of that is particularly what we did after 9-11 having to do with oversensitivity towards care-like concerns.

01:02:21.900 Like, oh, you can't depict the Prophet Mohammed ever.

01:02:24.640 Even in the context of showing the cover story from Charlie Hebdo or the cover image from Charlie Hebdo, the French Satirical Weekly, after their own editors and cartoonists had been murdered in cold blood for their satirical cartoons of perhaps the Prophet Mohammed.

01:02:44.420 You can't even show that in a news story.

01:02:46.040 You can't even show it in the New York Times.

01:02:48.400 They did an article after the Charlie Hebdo massacre about a statue of the Prophet Mohammed that stood atop a New York City courthouse within walking distance of where we're taping this with you, Megan.

01:03:00.940 Sit up there without anybody worrying about it for 50 years and was eventually taken down and sent to a warehouse.

01:03:07.540 And as part of this sort of historical and interesting look at how this bit of imagery was used, they didn't show a file photo of it.

01:03:14.940 We are scared of historical news photos of existing statuary.

01:03:19.100 By the way, the Prophet Mohammed is depicted inside of the Supreme Court.

01:03:23.220 But, you know, you recall South Park had to censor itself.

01:03:26.600 The only time those guys have ever been censored was over depicting what was probably Mohammed in a cartoon bear suit.

01:03:35.640 Salman Rushdie got attacked again recently.

01:03:38.300 We've already kind of like absorbed that memory hold that.

01:03:41.620 This is where self-censorship in the West has happened.

01:03:45.640 And it's happened because of organizations like CARE, but even more because the cowardice of the people who were supposed to be in the free speech business.

01:03:52.900 We didn't spread the risk.

01:03:54.380 This is why Charlie Hebdo was targeted, because they were more brave than the rest of us.

01:03:58.540 The best that we can do is at every time, and as you did, and you did very well, and unsurprisingly, Megan, is insist at every moment on that ability to speak freely about things instead of being fired as a college art professor for showing historically accurate or historically interesting art depicting the Prophet Mohammed, as happened up in Minnesota not that long ago.

01:04:23.320 So this is where the fight needs to be the people who are trying to advocate on censorship to protect minorities that never works.

01:04:32.620 What they're trying to do is enforce blasphemy laws on the rest of us.

01:04:35.780 We in the enlightened West, post-enlightenment liberal West should always reject that.

01:04:42.340 And we haven't been as much as we should be.

01:04:44.740 Well, we even had the situation, what, a few weeks ago where Washington Post pulled that cartoon that was it?

01:04:50.520 Yeah, Michael Ramirez.

01:04:51.760 It was, you know, satirizing Hamas fighters.

01:04:54.740 And there were a bunch of people who were basically saying, oh, that was too mean to terrorists.

01:05:00.280 And it's like and, you know, it relied on stereotypes.

01:05:02.880 And it's like, yeah, yeah, we are going to stereotype some Hamas terrorists in here.

01:05:09.140 Right. Like, I'm sorry, they just committed a horrific massacre of twelve hundred people.

01:05:14.960 Yeah, I think we should I think we should mock them in the pages of The Washington Post.

01:05:17.960 I think that's like legitimately a good use of satirical art.

01:05:20.700 And it's confusing to me.

01:05:22.640 Have we lost our ability to, you know, not only publish that type of thing, but also as readers, like it's OK for you to see a cartoon that offends your sensibilities.

01:05:33.160 And for you to just get over it or stew on it, mull it for a while, and maybe you end up agreeing with it.

01:05:39.300 Maybe you don't. But I'm so confused by the cowardice that has just run rampant.

01:05:43.520 And I I wonder with that decision, which I was ostensibly made by the Washington Post newsroom higher ups, not idiot millennials and Gen Zers.

01:05:52.800 Again, where are the adults in the room who are saying, nope, we're going to be bold and we are not going to be cowards and we're not going to bend the knee to the mob.

01:06:00.620 We are going to publish this thing because we know it to be interesting, provocative, true and and worth reflecting on as a reader.

01:06:09.480 It's amazing. This same group.

01:06:11.180 So that you cannot say, as Juan Williams did nine years after 9-11, I still get a little nervous when I see a man in full Muslim garb on an airplane.

01:06:20.060 But I feel bad about it. I think we should talk about why I'm feeling that way.

01:06:23.180 You cannot say that. But you can say you were happy on the day twelve hundred Israelis were brutally murdered, including babies in their cribs.

01:06:31.440 That's fine. Then you're pissed off. You got canceled.

01:06:34.740 Some of us have seen the truth about this organization for a long, long time.

01:06:38.520 And now I credit the White House for finally, though belatedly, distancing itself from this group.

01:06:45.520 And I hope the media does the same.

01:06:47.640 I cannot let you go without quickly talking about this college student who I must put on camera.

01:06:53.000 I have no choice but to call attention to her.

01:06:56.000 She's very upset. She's at NYU and her name is Hafiza Khaliq.

01:07:00.700 She's one of the poster teardowners, which we also call vandalism.

01:07:05.240 And that is actually why she got suspended from NYU.

01:07:08.980 Stop anti-Semitism, put her picture and her video of her tearing down the hostage posters, which she called propaganda.

01:07:17.500 She said it was propaganda used by the mainstream media to whitewash the conflict.

01:07:22.960 Some of us think it's calling attention to the plight of young children and the elderly shoved in Gaza tunnels.

01:07:28.840 But she sees it a different way and decided our side doesn't get to promote the plight of these innocent victims.

01:07:36.220 So that's not allowed. And to its credit, NYU suspended her.

01:07:40.200 Well, on cue, on cue, you can predict what she did.

01:07:44.100 She goes on camera with something called Breakthrough News, supposed to be independent, fact-based reporting and commentary and play on regarding social justice.

01:07:55.220 And she's very sorry, not for the hostages, but for herself.

01:08:02.480 Watch this.

01:08:03.000 So after I was filmed tearing down these posters outside of Tisch Hall, a student at NYU circulated the video on social media and she was calling for us to be doxxed.

01:08:16.480 Shortly after celebrities, public figures and Zionist platforms with millions of followers were sharing our information publicly,

01:08:24.380 the student also created a petition which received over 10,000 signatures to call for the expulsion of everyone in the video.

01:08:34.900 I faced relentless backlash from right-wing media and news outlets for weeks, most calling for me to be jailed, expelled, deported, assaulted and to be sent to Gaza.

01:08:48.240 So because I was suspended, I would have to move off campus after the semester, essentially kicking me out of the dorms, leaving me unhoused and also denying me access to any higher education until fall 2024.

01:09:05.500 Too effing bad. Too bad.

01:09:09.460 She doesn't want to deal with the consequences.

01:09:10.760 Because her scholarship was a problem, actually, because it provided in-dorm housing and she's saying she lost that by by getting suspended.

01:09:20.220 And now she wants the university to pay for her to be off campus.

01:09:22.760 And they said, you know what, Hafiza, it's a no.

01:09:26.520 So everyone's so mean.

01:09:28.860 They didn't let me vandalize their property.

01:09:31.700 This is straight out of central casting.

01:09:33.880 Liz, what are we going to do?

01:09:34.640 Why are you the only reasonable Gen Z-er?

01:09:36.640 She is an idiot, frankly, but that doesn't mean we should pull her visa.

01:09:42.740 You know, to the contrary, I think that means that she needs to spend even more time legitimately seeped in free speech, maximalist, classically liberal values and begin to hopefully, for the love of God, see the light.

01:09:56.720 Unfortunately, that doesn't happen on a lot of college campuses.

01:09:59.340 Yeah, she's not going to get it at NYU.

01:10:00.520 Yeah, she might not get that at NYU, but I do think that there is possibly, possibly hope for these total dunces, these total idiots with malice in their hearts, tearing down posters of child hostages where we, you know, in many cases don't know if they're dead or alive.

01:10:15.640 My God, can you imagine?

01:10:17.900 But I do think that that's reason to attempt to create more of this free speech permissive environment on college campuses and hope that somebody reaches her and that she engages with these ideas in some sort of robust manner.

01:10:30.220 Unfortunately, she seems to be leaning into playing the victim card.

01:10:34.820 The the show that I co-host on YouTube with my colleague, Zach Weissmuller, called Just Asking Questions.

01:10:40.580 A few weeks ago, we had Russ Robertson, who lives in Israel.

01:10:43.400 He's the president of Shalem College.

01:10:44.940 He's a wonderful economist.

01:10:46.880 And I mean, he has family who is now, I believe, serving in the IDF.

01:10:51.300 He was in Israel on October 7th.

01:10:52.960 The thing that he said he wants to convey to American audiences is when you see these horrible vandals trying to tear down these posters, physically get in between them.

01:11:03.760 Do the thing that I think we all saw that video circulating of those construction workers in Queens who basically were like, I want to smear the ground with you.

01:11:10.140 So, you know, like that that I think it was it was it must have been Jackson Heights or somewhere.

01:11:14.940 And that is the right type of response.

01:11:17.400 This confrontation, this countering their attempt at pulling down these posters with a confrontation of why are you doing that?

01:11:24.200 Do you have no heart? Stop doing that.

01:11:26.620 That means these posters mean something and were put up by people who were hurting in the same way that there was this use of posters following 9-11.

01:11:33.860 And, you know, in many cases, not expecting that the victims would be recovered alive.

01:11:37.820 But the sense of when you're going about your daily business, don't you dare forget about this horrible, horrible thing we just endured.

01:11:44.700 And I'm happy to have her exposed to the ideas.

01:11:47.160 But in the meantime, I'm thrilled to see her punished.

01:11:49.900 It's called vandalism.

01:11:51.040 You're not the victim.

01:11:52.320 You're the perpetrator.

01:11:53.520 These are called consequences.

01:11:55.420 You've probably clearly never been exposed to them before.

01:11:58.260 But welcome to the real world, Hafiza.

01:12:01.020 Hafiza, enjoy your suspension in off-campus housing or wherever you wind up.

01:12:06.220 OK, great to see you both.

01:12:07.660 Matt, Liz, thanks for being on.

01:12:10.180 Thank you, Megan.

01:12:10.580 Thanks.

01:12:10.900 We're going to have a lot of fun with Maureen Callahan.

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01:13:12.160 Now we bring in one of my favorite writers, Maureen Callahan.

01:13:21.640 There's so much to get to.

01:13:22.800 The latest on the royals and the ongoing Omid-Scobie controversy.

01:13:26.580 He's Megan's stenographer posing as a journalist.

01:13:30.240 Guess what?

01:13:30.940 It appears he revealed the identity of the supposed racist royals that Megan was whining to Oprah about.

01:13:38.160 But now he's claiming, oh, it wasn't me.

01:13:40.140 It wasn't me.

01:13:40.900 We're going to get to the bottom of this.

01:13:42.820 And guess what?

01:13:43.960 Everybody's least favorite couple, Amy Robach and TJ Holmes, are back.

01:13:49.420 They've launched an absurd podcast and waiting to hear about the latest twist in their, what appears to have been, a very raunchy affair they had behind the backs of their spouses, though now they're denying that.

01:14:03.000 Maureen, great to see you again.

01:14:04.640 Lovely to have you here.

01:14:06.080 So let's start with Omid-Scobie, this disgusting little person who has launched a book and gone on a book tour.

01:14:15.920 And you tell me, but it appears that in no version of this book, other than the Dutch version over in Amsterdam, in Holland, does he out the identity of the alleged royal racist who Megan told Oprah.

01:14:31.280 The royals were very concerned about the skin color of the baby.

01:14:36.280 She was mocked for this assertion.

01:14:38.880 And but in the Dutch version, he names them.

01:14:43.020 And I'm just going to tell you, Piers Morgan is reporting.

01:14:45.880 He did it that it was allegedly King Charles and Kate Middleton.

01:14:50.140 And we have no confirmation of this, but this is a new story.

01:14:53.720 That's what he's saying.

01:14:54.760 Omid-Scobie's Dutch version said about who were the alleged people raising concerns.

01:14:59.680 And now he's denying it and he's trying, as I understand it, to blame the translators over in Holland.

01:15:09.880 Am I up to speed?

01:15:10.660 You are up to speed.

01:15:12.920 You tell no lies, Megan.

01:15:14.860 Before we get into Omid, I just want to be among many people, I'm sure, to congratulate you on Wednesday's debate.

01:15:22.000 And just how incredible it was to see that, yes, these candidates can be controlled and contained and corralled.

01:15:29.760 It just seemed to take apparently three women led by you to do it.

01:15:34.520 It's incredible to watch.

01:15:36.940 So the Omid stuff is so fascinating.

01:15:40.660 Now, of course, in line sort of with the Harry and Meghan, it's never their fault.

01:15:47.260 It's never their fault.

01:15:48.660 It's always somebody else's.

01:15:50.920 Although he would have us believe he wrote this book independently with no help from Camp Montecito.

01:15:58.280 And I will tell you, having slogged through that book, the only two people who come across as worthy and good and only well-intended are the beleaguered Harry and Meghan.

01:16:14.120 Everybody else is a monster.

01:16:16.460 And the way in which he writes about Camilla in particular is vile.

01:16:21.900 And it really sounds like it could have only come from one specific source.

01:16:27.500 You know, he's got multiple passages in which Camilla's underwear is strewn everywhere after liaisons with then Prince Charles.

01:16:38.320 I mean, it's utter gutter trash.

01:16:41.660 So then to sort of say, OK, well, I wrote this book.

01:16:46.340 It's all mine, independent.

01:16:48.060 But except for, oh, this horrible thing that got out.

01:16:54.740 I'm sorry to say it's a mistranslation.

01:16:57.200 You cannot mistranslate something that isn't there to begin with.

01:17:01.660 And the reason it's not in the UK version or the US version, but particularly the UK version, is their libel laws are so strict.

01:17:10.620 And there is a line in the book where he specifically says to the reader, I am not naming the alleged royal racists because of libel laws.

01:17:19.600 I am not permitted to do so.

01:17:21.720 And the last thing I'll say about this is when Harry and Meghan were first peddling their tales of racist woe to Oprah Winfrey.

01:17:30.920 Wait, wait, wait, wait, I know where you're going.

01:17:32.700 I know where you're going.

01:17:33.520 I'm going to play the sot and then you take it out of the back end.

01:17:36.040 Here's the original claim.

01:17:37.160 In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time.

01:17:42.780 So we have in tandem the conversation of he won't be given security.

01:17:47.600 He's not going to be given a title.

01:17:51.720 And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born.

01:18:00.640 What?

01:18:02.280 And who is having that conversation with you?

01:18:13.460 What?

01:18:15.480 So.

01:18:16.160 There is a conversation.

01:18:22.020 Hold it.

01:18:22.520 Hold up.

01:18:23.160 There are several conversations.

01:18:24.980 There's a conversation with you.

01:18:28.560 With Harry.

01:18:30.380 About how dark your baby is going to be?

01:18:34.760 Potentially.

01:18:35.320 And what that would mean or look like.

01:18:36.920 Ooh.

01:18:37.280 And you're not going to tell me who had the conversation?

01:18:44.740 I think that would be very damaging to them.

01:18:49.700 Okay.

01:18:51.420 So.

01:18:52.600 Now.

01:18:53.460 It's.

01:18:53.900 Now we know who it allegedly was.

01:18:55.620 Or at least we think we know.

01:18:56.840 And it's.

01:18:58.220 Everyone's doing the who?

01:18:59.340 What?

01:18:59.620 What?

01:18:59.900 Anyway.

01:19:00.160 Continue your thought.

01:19:01.840 Well.

01:19:02.340 I mean.

01:19:03.100 Again.

01:19:03.720 Just to.

01:19:04.000 To.

01:19:04.560 Rewatching that.

01:19:05.340 Is so rich.

01:19:06.940 Because.

01:19:07.820 We saw Harry.

01:19:09.160 Back in January.

01:19:10.120 When he was peddling his memoir.

01:19:12.700 Say to.

01:19:13.460 I believe it was Tom Bradby.

01:19:15.760 Well.

01:19:16.020 Megan never said they were racist.

01:19:17.920 Did we say.

01:19:18.700 They were racist.

01:19:20.140 But to watch her.

01:19:21.940 I mean.

01:19:22.200 She looks like she's testifying.

01:19:23.920 At the Hague.

01:19:25.160 She looks like she's testifying.

01:19:27.000 To war crimes.

01:19:28.320 Like this is the gravest.

01:19:30.740 Most important discussion.

01:19:32.860 So let's parse this.

01:19:34.340 Shall we?

01:19:34.920 Right.

01:19:35.200 Megan.

01:19:36.220 It's not with her.

01:19:37.960 But it's with Harry.

01:19:39.580 It was one person.

01:19:41.460 But now it's two.

01:19:43.140 When Harry joins the conversation.

01:19:45.980 He contradicts Megan's versions of events.

01:19:48.920 It wasn't while she was pregnant.

01:19:51.220 It was while they were dating.

01:19:54.520 And you know.

01:19:55.680 My favorite observer.

01:19:57.340 And of this entire sort of controversy.

01:20:02.040 Was Chris Rock.

01:20:03.440 Who in his stand up from last year.

01:20:07.060 Just went to town.

01:20:08.800 And was like.

01:20:09.820 This is not racist stuff.

01:20:11.620 This is in-law stuff.

01:20:13.360 Even black people want to know.

01:20:15.220 What's the baby going to look like?

01:20:17.000 That's it.

01:20:17.920 That's it.

01:20:19.040 I kind of.

01:20:20.000 I love though.

01:20:20.620 That it's out of the bag now.

01:20:21.920 Really.

01:20:22.220 Because I do think that was the last weapon in their arsenal.

01:20:26.820 This thing that they were holding over the royals.

01:20:29.160 They have nothing else.

01:20:31.100 She got a whole award from Gloria Steinem.

01:20:35.840 For this.

01:20:37.060 And from one of the Kennedys.

01:20:38.880 For speaking truth to power.

01:20:41.540 Holding the racist royal family to account.

01:20:44.920 Remember.

01:20:45.240 I believe that's what she was in New York for.

01:20:48.160 When she had her fake near death experience.

01:20:51.060 With the paparazzi.

01:20:52.340 Not chasing her.

01:20:53.680 Right.

01:20:53.880 Like that was.

01:20:54.780 Oh yeah.

01:20:55.220 That's.

01:20:55.680 Yeah.

01:20:55.860 She was getting that award.

01:20:57.720 Enter through the Hertz rental car office.

01:21:00.680 If you will.

01:21:01.880 I suffered through that event.

01:21:04.920 That excuse for an award ceremony.

01:21:08.360 And.

01:21:09.160 But it was fantastic.

01:21:11.120 Because I spoke to so many people who were there.

01:21:14.060 Like these sort of dyed in the wool.

01:21:16.180 Ardent feminists.

01:21:17.780 Glorious Steinem admirers.

01:21:19.580 Not a single person said they were there to see Megan.

01:21:22.200 Not a single person cared what she had to say.

01:21:24.780 By the end of the night.

01:21:26.080 People couldn't wait to get out of there.

01:21:28.500 And you know.

01:21:29.800 The.

01:21:30.480 The story about that quote unquote.

01:21:32.480 High speed car chase in Midtown Manhattan.

01:21:35.540 Which is anyone who knows.

01:21:36.520 Or has been to Manhattan.

01:21:37.660 Is logistically.

01:21:39.140 Physically impossible.

01:21:41.260 I do believe was sort of cooked up.

01:21:43.320 Because there was such.

01:21:45.000 Little reaction.

01:21:46.440 To this.

01:21:47.460 Meaningless award.

01:21:48.640 That she was given.

01:21:49.800 And.

01:21:50.020 And.

01:21:50.820 She.

01:21:51.080 What she had to say.

01:21:52.280 Meant even less than that.

01:21:54.140 You know what it was to me.

01:21:55.240 It was.

01:21:55.600 It was like.

01:21:56.520 I'm going to make a weird analogy.

01:21:57.640 But it works for me.

01:21:58.840 It was like Alec Murdoch.

01:22:00.760 You know.

01:22:01.080 When he.

01:22:01.760 He had done a bunch.

01:22:03.040 A bunch of bad stuff.

01:22:04.900 He had.

01:22:05.740 You know.

01:22:07.580 Been stealing.

01:22:08.720 From.

01:22:09.360 His company.

01:22:10.340 He'd been embezzling from clients.

01:22:11.920 To the tune of millions.

01:22:13.380 He may or may not have had something to do with.

01:22:15.520 Somebody's death.

01:22:16.420 Even before.

01:22:17.120 Before his wife and his son.

01:22:19.160 All these things.

01:22:20.540 And then they say.

01:22:22.200 The real reason.

01:22:23.300 He wound up killing his wife and his son.

01:22:25.580 Was because he wanted.

01:22:27.180 Sympathy.

01:22:28.160 He wanted to change the narrative.

01:22:30.300 Around himself.

01:22:31.520 Not accusing her of killing anybody.

01:22:32.860 I'm just saying.

01:22:34.280 The car chase lie.

01:22:36.020 Was because she wanted us.

01:22:37.700 To feel sorry for her.

01:22:39.460 To take the heat.

01:22:40.560 Off of all the terrible things they'd done.

01:22:43.240 No.

01:22:43.420 No.

01:22:43.540 No.

01:22:43.980 I'm not a bad person.

01:22:45.200 See.

01:22:45.460 People are out to kill me.

01:22:46.960 You see.

01:22:47.420 It's evidenced by this terrible car chase.

01:22:49.620 It was a lie.

01:22:50.980 Meant to generate sympathy.

01:22:53.240 And to those of us.

01:22:54.280 Who have lived in New York.

01:22:55.600 It was such an obvious lie.

01:22:57.460 And now they're lying again.

01:22:59.040 This is her chief spokesperson.

01:23:00.620 This guy, Omid Scobie, from what we can tell, Maureen, is close with this pair.

01:23:05.340 Has been, like I said, their stenographer.

01:23:07.760 And so the only reason he would know those names is from her.

01:23:11.060 From them.

01:23:12.880 Exactly.

01:23:13.860 I mean, as he writes in this book, those names were disclosed in private correspondence.

01:23:20.800 In letter writing and anybody who would memorialize anything, be it digital or physical and give

01:23:26.860 it to Meghan Markle, you know, beware.

01:23:30.460 So those names were contained only in those letters, right?

01:23:34.560 Between Meghan Markle and then Prince Charles.

01:23:38.440 And so who would have access to those documents?

01:23:41.760 You know, it's not like that leak came from Buckingham Palace.

01:23:45.660 We know that.

01:23:47.040 So that leaves only one.

01:23:48.780 I mean, you don't have to be, you don't have to be a detective to figure this out.

01:23:52.740 It's, and their lies become ever less sophisticated and believable.

01:23:59.400 Um, but I do think that they are pathologically, congenitally incapable of taking any sort of

01:24:08.860 blame, of expressing any sort of remorse.

01:24:11.360 I mean, you want to get ahead of this.

01:24:13.340 How about you deny that it's Charles, that it's Kate Middleton?

01:24:19.100 Right, come out and say that.

01:24:20.880 Yeah.

01:24:21.780 Say you're sorry that this is happening, that these people don't deserve this.

01:24:26.700 If Harry was telling the truth and he and Meghan don't believe the royals are racist.

01:24:31.760 And in fact, Harry vehemently defended Lady Susan Hussey, who that month around January,

01:24:39.360 I don't know if you remember, but there was this event at Buckingham Palace and she was

01:24:42.740 accused of saying horribly racist things and touching a black woman's hair.

01:24:48.800 Uh, and, and Harry said in this broadcast, Meghan and I love her.

01:24:54.920 So which is it?

01:24:55.920 So let's have it.

01:24:57.080 Let's have it.

01:24:57.740 Exactly.

01:24:58.040 So that's the thing.

01:24:59.080 If they, if it wasn't Charles and Kate, if she did not tell Omid Scobie that those were

01:25:03.380 the two, then where is she?

01:25:05.340 Everybody.

01:25:05.840 It's not like this is some rando reporter who has no connection to Meghan and Harry.

01:25:10.900 This is their guy.

01:25:12.360 And now he's basically admitting without admitting.

01:25:15.460 It did come from his manuscript, obviously, because the Dutch translator has no freaking

01:25:20.540 clue who Meghan Markle's accusing of racism.

01:25:23.800 Why was she just going to make up names?

01:25:25.260 I guess it was Charles and Kate.

01:25:26.580 Um, and now in the latest news, he's saying he admitted that the translators in the Netherlands

01:25:33.980 were sent, quote, an early manuscript that was never updated with the final version poured

01:25:40.140 over by lawyers.

01:25:41.860 Uh, and then he excused it by saying, oh, his, his book was written at quote lightning speed.

01:25:47.680 So very clearly he put the names in there.

01:25:50.220 He gave the names or his publisher did to this Dutch publisher and they printed it.

01:25:54.940 That's how this obviously went down.

01:25:56.620 But the Sussexes who have had so much to say about everything, Maureen, nothing, bumpkiss.

01:26:04.740 They're totally silent.

01:26:06.640 They're totally silent.

01:26:07.980 I think Harry's petrified that the purse strings are going to get cut any day now.

01:26:12.800 Um, you know, or that they're going to lose their titles.

01:26:16.400 Eventually they will take this just that one step too far.

01:26:20.380 I mean, it tells you everything that Omid Scobie is their preferred stenographer.

01:26:26.380 He shares the same complete lack of ethics, of morals, of professionalism.

01:26:34.160 If you make a mistake like that in your book, that is on you.

01:26:39.060 You fall on your sword.

01:26:41.840 You beg for forgiveness.

01:26:43.440 You want to make sure you never get another book deal?

01:26:46.100 Blame your publisher.

01:26:46.920 Blame the poor translator who had to publicly say, I did not insert those names.

01:26:54.540 You know, he's put it in there.

01:26:56.880 He pulled it according to his own.

01:26:59.500 He pulled it because of the lawyers.

01:27:00.800 But very clearly, the Omid Scobie's original draft had the names in there.

01:27:04.600 He was perfectly prepared to disclose these names.

01:27:07.920 It was only for legal reasons that he ultimately, apparently reluctantly pulled them.

01:27:12.660 So very clearly he wanted to out them as racist.

01:27:15.700 So where is Meghan, who is obviously the one, Meghan and Harry, where are they to defend

01:27:21.880 their family on whom everything they have, their notoriety, their money, their titles,

01:27:27.560 depends?

01:27:29.820 Agreed.

01:27:30.460 And here's the, here's the, the, just the icing on top.

01:27:34.320 Omid Scobie's book has sold less than 6,000 copies.

01:27:38.340 Oh my God, that's terrible.

01:27:40.200 After this was revealed, this whole kerfluffle with, I didn't name them.

01:27:44.760 Oh, whoops.

01:27:45.600 The, the Dutch have it, you know, whatever.

01:27:49.740 He was just, the book fell out of the Amazon top 100.

01:27:53.880 He stopped getting booked.

01:27:55.820 You know, I think he thought this would be great clickbait.

01:27:58.380 Something.

01:27:58.660 I don't, I don't know.

01:27:59.580 But there, I, you know, I think we're seeing the waning days of, of relevance.

01:28:05.000 And, and again, one of the great tells in this book is what's not in it.

01:28:10.240 What's not in it is any new information, anything that comes after this exile, after these betrayals

01:28:20.760 on a massive public scale, be it through Netflix or be it through the memoir or be it through Megan's,

01:28:27.420 you know, word salad, whatever, there's nothing new.

01:28:31.180 They are being starved out by the Royal family.

01:28:34.020 They have nothing new to sell.

01:28:36.060 So I don't know where they go from here.

01:28:39.240 So I want to tell the audience, Maureen posted a piece on Daily Mail, uh, November 29th,

01:28:43.220 the vicious Royal assassination that shames even Harry and Megan's odious cheerleader.

01:28:47.500 So you should Google that, Google that and read this full piece.

01:28:49.920 But on the Camilla thing, I just don't want to brush past that because it really is

01:28:53.440 disgusting.

01:28:54.760 My God, they really go after her.

01:28:56.940 And we know Harry hates her.

01:28:59.280 I mean, it's, he's made that very clear in his book and elsewhere, referring to her as

01:29:04.420 raunchy, Randy, a chain smoking adulteress who made Diana's life hell.

01:29:11.260 And you point out in this piece, their motto, their motto, Harry and Megan's motto to tell

01:29:18.740 them what it is.

01:29:19.260 Tell the audience what it is.

01:29:21.100 Be kind.

01:29:23.140 Just be kind.

01:29:25.980 I mean, the Camilla stuff is just, it's, it's remarkable.

01:29:30.280 Even, you know, you would think out of self-preservation, you know, reportedly the one thing King Charles

01:29:36.700 begged Harry not to do in spare was to go after Camilla.

01:29:40.440 So it seems like, yes, he pulled his punches in spare.

01:29:43.900 And then he gave all of his, just his id, his rage, his loathing, his resentment to Scobie for this book, which has, of course, backfired.

01:29:55.600 The other tell that this is coming straight from Harry's mouth is that Diana is deified in this book.

01:30:03.360 There are no references to her alleged reported multiple affairs while married to Charles.

01:30:10.320 No references to any of the instability, any of the chaos that she wreaked upon the royal family.

01:30:18.120 Um, Diana is a, is a sainted angel in these pages.

01:30:22.280 And Camilla is what he calls a born mistress descended from a royal play thing.

01:30:29.440 I mean, it is truly vile.

01:30:33.040 Wow.

01:30:33.860 She's the queen of England right now.

01:30:35.660 Um, the other thing is the other tell is the depiction of Kate, which is so wrong.

01:30:43.600 She was so good to Harry all those years when he wasn't married.

01:30:48.200 She seemed very supportive of him.

01:30:50.680 And of course we know it's very obvious.

01:30:53.820 Megan hates her with the passion of a thousand sons.

01:30:57.940 She wants Kate's everything and he cannot find a kind word for Kate Middleton in his loser book.

01:31:06.660 It's so, it's just so vicious.

01:31:09.600 It's so middle school, you know, Kate Middleton is beloved by the British public.

01:31:16.580 Um, I think we all can see what is animating this rage.

01:31:20.300 So she, Meghan Markle, married the also ran.

01:31:25.080 Once she was fast-tracked into the royal fold, she very quickly realized she too would be considered an also ram.

01:31:33.880 She was never going to rise to the level of a Kate, let alone supersede her.

01:31:39.800 And I just think that this is the kind of thing, again, think about self-preservation.

01:31:47.580 Don't think one or two chess moves ahead.

01:31:50.520 Think 10.

01:31:51.680 Your brother is going to be the king of England someday.

01:31:55.680 Okay?

01:31:56.600 Kate Middleton is going to be the queen.

01:31:59.260 Are these the people you want to ostracize, to offend, to irradiate with your venom and your resentment?

01:32:11.780 Uh, I mean, the answer seems to be yes.

01:32:15.800 Mm-hmm.

01:32:16.380 And not to mention his father, who's the current king of England, and the reason, ultimately, they still have their royal titles.

01:32:24.520 You know, King Charles could take those away, just out of the goodness of his heart.

01:32:28.600 He hasn't so far.

01:32:30.180 So you'd think there'd be some measure, and not to mention the titles of their children, which they absolutely love.

01:32:36.100 They're promoting the little princess and the little prince.

01:32:39.120 They live for that crap, especially her, I'm sure.

01:32:42.400 And yet they want to dump all over them at every turn.

01:32:44.980 The best part, so in this article, and people really just need to Google it to find all the goodness that Maureen provides.

01:32:50.160 Um, they point out Kate is, they call her lazy.

01:32:54.540 He calls her lazy and cold.

01:32:57.180 She was a commoner who needed elocution lessons to level up to William.

01:33:01.360 Her weight comes under scrutiny.

01:33:03.580 Um, they bring up her old, unflattering nicknames.

01:33:07.660 And then there's the depiction of Meghan.

01:33:12.240 I've got to quote you, quoting Scobie.

01:33:15.300 Maureen finds the best nuggets.

01:33:17.700 Okay, here's one of them.

01:33:18.980 With Meghan's outgoing nature and leadership potential, qualities for which Kate is not known.

01:33:27.280 And then goes on about Meghan.

01:33:29.420 With her acting experience and upbeat demeanor, Meghan was supremely comfortable in her public-facing role,

01:33:37.540 even when she initially knew very little about it.

01:33:40.320 So what you're telling me, Maureen, is Omid does not say that Meghan needed the elocution lessons that that cold bitch Kate did.

01:33:49.800 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:33:53.480 And again, you know, which is it?

01:33:55.900 Because as we read in Spare, Meghan was dying to become Kate Middleton's BFF.

01:34:03.920 Meghan didn't understand why Kate didn't want to hug her at their first meeting.

01:34:09.600 Meghan didn't understand why, you know, appearing in jeans and being barefoot for the first dinner they're hosting for these two.

01:34:16.600 I mean, you know her thinking was kind of like, I'm just going to win her over with my breezy California nature.

01:34:24.320 You know, one of my favorite vignettes was Meghan at an event, at a formal gala, insisting that Kate share her lip gloss with her.

01:34:35.000 This kind of forced intimacy that, of course, you know, Kate, Kate graciously gave her the lip gloss.

01:34:41.860 But I mean, any sane woman would be thinking, who is this person?

01:34:45.720 Why is she up all my space?

01:34:47.140 Don't share lip gloss.

01:34:48.820 No, who wants to do that?

01:34:50.300 You don't know what you're getting.

01:34:51.840 You know, so either she wants to be Kate's BFF or she, from the beginning, thought that she was better than Kate and should be fast-tracked.

01:35:02.480 And, you know, again, the strain of misogyny that runs through this book, I mean, it really tells you so much about Harry and Meghan and the way that they think.

01:35:10.880 The way that they reference Kate's weight multiple times.

01:35:14.160 Why is that even in there?

01:35:16.500 Why is that even in there?

01:35:19.280 They make fun of her, you know, and Meghan did this with Oprah, too.

01:35:23.760 She brought up the weighty Katie nickname, which is so mean.

01:35:27.520 Now, this is a woman who, by the way, seems to have a Talmudic research at her fingers of the royal family.

01:35:35.580 But we are also to believe that when she met Harry, she didn't know who he was.

01:35:39.860 And she didn't really know who Princess Diana was either.

01:35:42.760 And she didn't know much about the royal family, even though we have a photo of her at 12 years old, beaming outside Buckingham Palace.

01:35:50.840 She is amazing.

01:35:52.340 It is a lie.

01:35:52.900 I have reported before.

01:35:56.020 I have a source who has a connection to the ex-husband, to Meghan's ex-husband, who saw who saw a vision board that Meghan had with the royal family all over it.

01:36:14.380 Yes.

01:36:14.960 So she.

01:36:17.100 Yes, she's a liar.

01:36:18.740 This has been her goal.

01:36:21.240 If he wants his book as endgame, you want you know what her endgame was to land the bear.

01:36:26.800 And so she got him.

01:36:28.200 And now she's going to have to deal with the consequences of giving the middle finger to the bear's family and their dislike of her and now him.

01:36:37.480 OK, one more thing.

01:36:38.540 I'm Meghan and Harry.

01:36:39.160 Now, apparently, he's over there in the UK and he had to give testimony in one of these cases that he's involved in.

01:36:44.800 There's so much litigation with these two.

01:36:46.760 I can't keep up.

01:36:48.160 But he is now claiming that he's super, super sad, Maureen, that he was forced to step back from his royal duties and leave the UK, that he wanted so very much to stay.

01:37:02.220 He loves the UK, the racist UK, according to him, because he not only took a shot at the royal family, but their documentary or whatever you call that thing that was on Netflix was all about how racist Great Britain is.

01:37:13.300 But the UK is my home.

01:37:14.860 The UK is central to the heritage of my children and a place I want them to feel it at home as much as where they live at the moment in the US.

01:37:21.900 That cannot happen if it's not possible to keep them safe when they are on UK soil.

01:37:28.740 This is about a change in his security arrangements when he visits the UK that would result in his taxpayer funded armed protection being removed.

01:37:42.200 And that's why.

01:37:43.020 So you see these paupers, they can't afford a security guard of their own, Maureen.

01:37:47.700 And that's why they were forced out.

01:37:51.300 Yeah, that's the headline, Megan.

01:37:53.300 Forced out.

01:37:54.480 We were forced.

01:37:55.400 You know, again, everything is somebody else's fault.

01:37:59.460 These two are just victims of the winds of change, of circumstance and, of course, racism.

01:38:06.480 Let's never forget.

01:38:08.480 You know, they wanted a half in, half out arrangement.

01:38:11.220 They wanted to monetize their royal titles.

01:38:14.200 They wanted to pick and choose which ribbons they cut, which senior citizen centers they visited.

01:38:20.820 They were told, no, the queen said, you're either in or you're out.

01:38:24.960 And so they flounced their way out the door with, you know, millions and millions and millions of dollars gifted by Prince Charles.

01:38:33.100 They live in a mansion.

01:38:34.360 You can never say it enough with at least 14 bathrooms.

01:38:37.920 And they have the temerity and the gall to tell the British taxpayers that they should also pay for their security when they are no longer working royals.

01:38:49.100 You know, and this reminds me, too, of what Scobie's got this great detail in his book about how Harry and Meghan were also forced to make these extremely lucrative deals with Netflix and Spotify and the like.

01:39:06.080 20 million here, 100 million there, because they suddenly had no revenue because they apparently fled Buckingham Palace in the night with just the clothes on their backs.

01:39:16.440 So, again, they're not taking any response.

01:39:19.540 Now, had either of these projects been the blockbuster critical and commercial successes that they surely in their delusional minds thought they would be, it would have been an active decision to leave and to become the kind of business people and forces in pop culture that would put, say, a Taylor Swift to shame.

01:39:41.200 So, I mean, again, it's just it's it's it's it's both some of the most irritating stuff you can hear on a daily basis and also like the most comical, you know, and gives you such a sense out in Freud.

01:39:56.020 They they reportedly got a hundred million dollars from Netflix for their absurd production deal with them, their tell all flick and then her loser woke projects, which have already failed and another 50 million from Spotify for her absurd podcast, which is all pro woman.

01:40:17.000 You know, she's going to be the voice of women unless your name is Camilla or Kate, in which case she will stick her stiletto in your eye.

01:40:24.300 And on top of that, they're flying private everywhere, Maureen.

01:40:28.380 Right. Like they're lecturing us in the environment, flying private.

01:40:30.560 They can't afford a guard.

01:40:33.060 They can't afford security for when they go to visit UK a couple of days a year or even if they were going to stay in the UK to have one guy full time, which is all they need.

01:40:43.660 No one's trying to kill Meghan and Harry.

01:40:45.420 They're they're worried about paparazzi who only find them interesting because they're attacking the royal family all the time.

01:40:52.060 If they would stop that, it would stop.

01:40:54.300 In any event, they can afford this easily.

01:40:57.520 Why do they want the working class Joes in Great Britain to pay for it?

01:41:03.160 It's obscene.

01:41:05.060 It's just completely obscene.

01:41:06.960 But I think that their sort of natural resting state is just grievance.

01:41:12.520 You know, they're always fighting something or someone there.

01:41:16.800 They're always I think they really in a very sort of sick way, like they should really seek help.

01:41:24.820 I think they really enjoy feeling victimized, feeling persecuted.

01:41:30.500 I think it gives them a reason to get up in the morning.

01:41:32.820 I don't know what else they do all day.

01:41:34.540 You know, the Spotify thing in particular is so incredible.

01:41:39.900 You know, the I'm sure you remember Bill Simmons, who's a big exec there, calling them fucking grifters and saying, you know, one day he's going to get really drunk and tell people what Harry's ideas for podcasts were.

01:41:54.740 I mean, you can only imagine.

01:41:57.340 And her podcast was so self-serving and stuffy and unlistenable.

01:42:02.240 And, you know, she should feel lucky she got 12 episodes as it was.

01:42:06.680 Frankly, nobody cares to hear what she has to say because she has nothing to offer us.

01:42:13.520 Yeah.

01:42:13.880 We're sick of her grievance and entitlement routine.

01:42:17.160 OK, let's move on because there's other juicy stuff to get to.

01:42:20.340 So this, the T.J. Holmes, I'm sorry, the T.J. Holmes, Amy Robach thing is unbelievable.

01:42:26.480 It's unbelievable.

01:42:27.100 I'm so glad you picked this to talk about.

01:42:29.620 I didn't know if you would.

01:42:31.160 So give us the update on what they're doing.

01:42:34.380 So they've launched a podcast.

01:42:37.820 I think I think I had read that they spent the better part of 2024 taking meetings and shopping themselves around.

01:42:46.680 And no one wanted them.

01:42:48.060 I can I can attest, I myself have spoken to media executives, many of whom I know from my many years in this business, who laughed with me about these two attempting to get, you know, to generate interest like, OK, yeah, no, no, thanks.

01:43:04.740 But no, but keep going.

01:43:06.560 I know.

01:43:07.300 I mean, it's amazing.

01:43:08.120 You know, these are two, I think, mediocrities who really lucked into the jobs of a lifetime, you know, highly paid glamour job.

01:43:18.340 You have a degree of fame that's not overwhelming, but surely enjoyable.

01:43:22.220 And then you screw it all up.

01:43:25.400 And so they've they've launched this podcast, which, by the way, in the first episode, they offer listeners no reason for its existence.

01:43:35.940 They offer no premise of the podcast going forward.

01:43:39.380 They are so in love with their origin story as a couple.

01:43:44.100 I mean, their their origin story that's completely, again, sanitized, you know, they're alighting, you know, uncomfortable truths such as, you know, cheating on their spouses, you know.

01:43:57.060 And and then sort of also wanting us to believe that they're they're such broadcast talents that were unfairly kicked out of legacy media, because as TJ says in this cringe inducing podcast, we are the people who lost our jobs because we love each other.

01:44:13.840 You know, I would have us believe that they also are so naive as to think that they wouldn't need to disclose their involvement to ABC executives while they're also griping in the same podcast that they were about to go to those same executives and disclose.

01:44:34.240 But God, you know, if not for just the gossip rags, like getting ahead of the story and they just didn't know what to do with themselves.

01:44:42.720 And they completely also and I wish they had pulled this clip, but you can go online and watch them on the air the day after ABC News put them on the air the day after this scandal broke.

01:44:55.120 And they're smugly laughing and sharing jokes with each other about what a great week it's been and they just wish it could keep going on and on forever, just showing like complete disdain for the viewing audience who, you know, this is like the third or fourth hour of Good Morning America.

01:45:13.400 These are stay at home moms, largely watching this show.

01:45:17.440 I don't think that they take the idea of adultery that cavalierly or find it like that much of a.

01:45:25.300 So they're also just showing just complete contempt for the people in middle America who were watching them and, you know, in effect, signing their paychecks.

01:45:34.560 So this is the whole podcast and it's insufferable.

01:45:39.000 It's boring.

01:45:39.700 There's one great moment where they sort of amp up this.

01:45:47.140 This crisis that TJ faces in the wake of.

01:45:50.860 Oh, wait, I've got this.

01:45:51.980 I've got this where they talk about his.

01:45:54.700 Well, you'll hear it.

01:45:55.520 Listen to what they say happened to him when he found out.

01:45:58.560 It was the Daily Mail that broke this story.

01:46:00.260 And by the way, they're now claiming that they were not adulterers, that they were in divorce proceedings when they were having their affair.

01:46:07.940 Their spouses disagree with that.

01:46:09.420 I mean, this was in the initial that that's just a cover.

01:46:12.300 That's obviously just a cover now.

01:46:14.860 So, by the way, if it were true that the Daily Mail got it wrong, 100 percent, they would sue.

01:46:20.180 They would 100 percent sue and say you absolutely disparaged us with false information and you cost us our job.

01:46:27.020 Guess what?

01:46:27.520 That never happened for a reason.

01:46:29.820 So, now they're talking about in line with Meghan and Harry, frankly.

01:46:33.420 We're victims.

01:46:34.600 We're the real victims.

01:46:36.480 They're talking about TJ's trauma when the story broke.

01:46:40.340 Take a listen, SOT 36.

01:46:41.480 Well, you had to do a welfare check, I guess, is the best way to put it.

01:46:46.640 It was 3.4.

01:46:47.400 That's a very, very understated way of putting it.

01:46:50.040 At 3.45 p.m. that afternoon, you sent me a text basically saying, I'm sorry.

01:46:56.120 You were the love of my life.

01:47:02.000 I'm so sorry this has happened.

01:47:05.380 And you just kept saying you were sorry, but you were using past tense in the entire text.

01:47:10.580 And I texted back and I said, you're scaring me.

01:47:14.500 I remember going down the hall, opening the door, and I saw you and you were just splayed out on your bed.

01:47:22.700 And I ran to you, I said, TJ, and you didn't move.

01:47:26.760 And I remember it was the most awful thing, having to touch your body to see if you were warm.

01:47:32.140 The day was essentially me getting off work at 11 a.m.

01:47:34.640 And I immediately started pounding vodka.

01:47:37.560 And I didn't stop for the several hours.

01:47:40.040 And then I took who knows how many weed edibles.

01:47:46.580 And that's how I ended up in the state I was in.

01:47:51.880 Maureen.

01:47:53.060 Wow.

01:47:53.640 Amy is one lucky woman.

01:47:55.040 I'll tell you that.

01:47:56.600 I mean, that's worth blowing up your life for, right?

01:47:59.660 I got a grown man whose method of coping with a disaster entirely of his own making is to pound

01:48:07.100 vodka at 11 a.m. and then take untold weed edibles.

01:48:10.880 I mean, I love it.

01:48:12.660 How embarrassing.

01:48:13.860 And at base, what is it?

01:48:15.020 It's like, OK, according to you, the only thing you're losing is your job.

01:48:18.840 According to you, your marriage is already over and all parties are already notified.

01:48:23.240 So there's no personal embarrassment there.

01:48:25.540 There's only a professional consequence.

01:48:27.300 And she thought he killed himself over the loss of the third or fourth hour of GMA.

01:48:33.180 What does that say about her belief in him and who he is?

01:48:38.300 My God.

01:48:39.340 Like, and who's just thinking dying from a couple of weed edibles?

01:48:43.060 Exactly.

01:48:43.500 You can't overdose from weed, number one.

01:48:45.660 Number two, narcissists never, ever kill themselves.

01:48:49.260 It's the truth.

01:48:50.620 And thirdly, this is, I think, a great talking point for a podcast about this lovely origin story.

01:48:58.160 How about the reports that came out while ABC was executing this internal review that TJ Holmes was a predator on that set?

01:49:08.180 Right.

01:49:08.860 She was not his first.

01:49:09.980 She was not his first.

01:49:12.620 But how about the reports of him with younger women who felt that he was in a position of power over them?

01:49:20.440 How about, I love, this is the kind of stuff I wish The Morning Show really, really did.

01:49:26.380 You know, the other producer that he was involved with for three years while he was married, he was having this affair with her for three years.

01:49:34.800 And this female producer was also using Amy Roback as, like, her shoulder to cry on.

01:49:41.540 And Amy was counseling both her and TJ through this affair.

01:49:46.500 I mean, let's talk about that.

01:49:50.220 I would listen to that all day long.

01:49:52.660 Yeah, me too.

01:49:53.260 But theirs, they want us to believe theirs is a love story.

01:49:57.900 And they're happier and healthier than ever.

01:50:01.240 No one is going to listen to this.

01:50:03.920 Enjoy your two minutes back.

01:50:05.960 The only thing that is interesting is your weird and apparently false takes on your affair, which we all see right through.

01:50:13.700 But there is a twist to the story, Maureen.

01:50:15.780 There is an unexpected twist here.

01:50:18.220 Tell us what it is.

01:50:18.940 Oh, thanks.

01:50:21.080 The unexpected twist is that their exes are now dating and very happy with each other.

01:50:27.340 And the twist to that twist is that Amy and TJ are furious because this disclosure has stolen the tiny bit of thunder their podcast dropped on.

01:50:40.640 I love it.

01:50:42.280 I have something to tell Amy and TJ.

01:50:44.860 I've said it before, but it's true.

01:50:46.360 You lose them how you get them.

01:50:47.440 You lose them how you get them.

01:50:50.540 Yeah.

01:50:51.120 So we'll look forward to that update later.

01:50:52.840 Enjoy your happier and healthier than ever podcast for now.

01:50:56.160 All right.

01:50:56.440 So we've got to get I know we got to go soon, but let's get a little bit to Sean Combs P. Diddy, because these are dark, dark allegations against this guy.

01:51:07.640 And I know there's been a lot of me to there's a flurry of me to things.

01:51:12.080 And people at this point are like, ah, whatever.

01:51:14.420 But, you know, every once in a while, one comes along.

01:51:17.700 We were like, oh, God.

01:51:18.700 And this is one of those.

01:51:20.120 So what's happened if a fourth woman has come forward?

01:51:22.940 A fourth woman has come forward with graphic details about essentially gang rape and sex trafficking.

01:51:34.380 To read her account is, I mean, I've been following this since it broke last month.

01:51:42.240 And I think it's abundantly clear that Sean Combs is a very dangerous man.

01:51:47.020 This latest accuser says she was in the 11th grade when she was approached.

01:51:54.920 She was brought she was brought across state lines.

01:51:58.960 She was brought to Sean Combs's recording studio.

01:52:03.200 He seems to have an M.O. that involves drugging and raping women, drugging, getting them drunk, spiking their drinks.

01:52:12.040 This she was she was in the 11th grade when this happened.

01:52:14.900 And the accusations.

01:52:17.260 So she's the fourth.

01:52:19.060 These date back to the early 1990s, which means this is before he was even really famous and powerful.

01:52:25.560 So I I would assume that there are many, many, many other women out there who have yet to come forward.

01:52:34.120 And I think what's equally damning is it's not just the silence from the hip hop community.

01:52:39.180 It's that people within the community are saying, yeah, that's Sean Combs.

01:52:44.900 Kid Cuddy told times he blew up my car in my driveway because I was interested in his woman.

01:52:52.260 Dream Hampton.

01:52:53.080 50 Cent is doing something like a documentary on him that apparently is going to get into all this.

01:52:59.500 Yeah.

01:52:59.880 50 Cent is doing it.

01:53:01.740 Dream Hampton, who was behind the surviving R. Kelly documentary that played a huge part in turning the court of public opinion and getting R. Kelly behind bars.

01:53:12.140 You know, she has said Puffy is done.

01:53:15.720 He's done.

01:53:17.380 I will be shocked if we do not see a criminal investigation opened up into Sean Combs.

01:53:22.120 Shocked.

01:53:22.780 Wow.

01:53:23.680 Wow.

01:53:24.480 This this latest woman has got, I mean, very disturbing allegations that he which he denies just to emphasize again.

01:53:31.740 He denies all of this.

01:53:33.500 One day after she filed her lawsuit, he settled it.

01:53:35.420 He first came out and said she's, you know, a grifter and it's not true.

01:53:38.780 And the next day he made it go away with an undisclosed number.

01:53:42.780 Um, she alleges that he subjected her to violent physical assaults and rape, that he beat the shit out of her in a car, stepped on her face, like kicked her in the face.

01:53:52.920 She was bloody.

01:53:53.940 She was severely hurt.

01:53:55.420 That he coerced her into having sex with male prostitutes while he watched, directed and got off on it.

01:54:03.040 Encounters he called freak offs as he plied her full of drugs and alcohol, um, beatings.

01:54:09.600 The savage assault I just mentioned where he allegedly stomped on her face was January of 09.

01:54:15.760 His security guard tried to stop him, she alleges, but couldn't.

01:54:19.440 Um, she was bleeding profusely after being kicked in the face.

01:54:23.140 She began to throw up from the violent assault.

01:54:25.240 These are allegations.

01:54:26.140 Again, he's denied them.

01:54:27.280 But as Maureen points out, if you look at all the allegations now, because there are multiple, there is a pattern.

01:54:32.540 There is a familiar pattern that these women are alleging involving allegedly drugging them, um, getting them past the point where anybody could consent or willingly participate in anything.

01:54:43.020 And then not only taking advantage of them or hurting them or raping them, but, you know, bringing others into it and filming it.

01:54:49.340 And then in some instances actually, you know, physically assaulting them as well.

01:54:53.780 So it's, it's bad.

01:54:55.280 I will read his denial.

01:54:56.940 Um, he, he said enough is enough for the last couple of weeks.

01:55:01.560 I've sat silently and watched people try to assassinate my character, destroy my reputation and my legacy.

01:55:06.580 Sickening allegations have been made against me by individuals looking for a quick payday.

01:55:10.400 Let me be absolutely clear.

01:55:12.320 I did not do any of the awful things being alleged.

01:55:14.720 I will fight for my name, my family and the truth.

01:55:17.820 So just to be clear, Maureen, right now, there is not a criminal investigation.

01:55:21.800 There was only, there's some civil suits against him.

01:55:26.420 Yeah.

01:55:27.360 Um, the, the, I think, you know, the, so the Cassie thing, which was the initial one, he, he reached that financial settlement with her was loaded with details.

01:55:40.040 That were so specific.

01:55:41.180 And, and, and one of the, the most shocking was, um, he insisted she get implants, breast implants and went with her to the doctor.

01:55:50.600 And she was completely silent while he told the doctor exactly what he wanted her to get the size, the shape, all of it.

01:55:57.480 And the day after the surgery, he brings her back to the surgeon and says, I don't like these, take them out.

01:56:04.460 And the surgeon, this top Beverly Hills plastic surgeon says to him, we can't do that.

01:56:10.420 We just opened her up.

01:56:11.800 You cannot, you cannot reoperate on somebody a day later.

01:56:15.460 And whatever Sean Combs did or said in that room, this guy wound up reoperating on Cassie within a week.

01:56:24.060 I mean, this is a bad, bad, bad guy.

01:56:27.800 And I don't think he has many friends.

01:56:30.520 The people who are speaking out now, there was just an open letter in Rolling Stone, uh, by a woman who had worked with Cassie who's backing up her claims.

01:56:38.340 There's another report by an associate of Sean Combs who says that what he would do was spike drinks, like he would spike bottles and feed them to women at these parties.

01:56:48.680 And then as they were sort of slumping and passing out with their mouths open, the description was like, it was like little birds and he would just put pills in their mouths.

01:56:57.120 I mean, this is, this is the, this is the bare minimum that we know of.

01:57:03.000 I think what we're going to learn is going to be quite shocking and hopefully he will get what I believe is coming to him.

01:57:09.680 Wow.

01:57:10.580 That's dark.

01:57:12.060 All right, Maureen, you're the best.

01:57:14.120 Thank you so much for all the great reporting for the columns.

01:57:17.140 It's always great to talk to you and have a great weekend.

01:57:19.940 Thanks to you, Megan.

01:57:21.120 And the same, have a great weekend.

01:57:23.560 All right.

01:57:23.880 And thanks to all of you for joining us today and all week.

01:57:26.480 It's been a busy week, as you know, and then the fun continues on Monday when Tucker Carlson returns to the show.

01:57:32.860 And has a big announcement.

01:57:35.680 You're not going to want to miss that.

01:57:37.000 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 08, 2023

Bombshell New Hunter Biden Charges, and Harry and Meghan's ＂Racist Royals＂ Drama, with Matt Welch, Liz Wolfe, and Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 682

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