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00:00:45.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:57.440 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:58.900 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:00.740 Tom Homan, the president's border czar, in an early morning press conference announcing Minnesota's top Democrats,

00:01:06.420 might be bending a little on their sanctuary city policies.

00:01:11.740 I'll believe it when I see it.

00:01:16.640 We haven't heard anything from them.

00:01:18.660 I love Tom Homan.

00:01:19.720 I'm not saying he's being insincere.

00:01:21.180 I just don't trust—do you trust Jacob Fry?

00:01:23.660 I refuse to call him Jacob Fry.

00:01:26.460 I won't.

00:01:27.680 He's like a Fannie Willis to me.

00:01:29.280 It's Fry.

00:01:29.740 I don't trust him.

00:01:32.860 All he's been saying is we will not assist.

00:01:36.420 We're not helping.

00:01:38.540 Federal immigration policy, which is exactly what his sanctuary city policy says.

00:01:42.380 He's being totally consistent with the will of his voters and the policy that's in place right now in Minneapolis.

00:01:48.300 So, I mean, Tom Homan says he's changing.

00:01:53.020 He says Keith Ellison, the state attorney general, has said that this is an okay thing to do,

00:01:59.760 to have the county and city jails now let ICE know if they have a criminal in custody who's about to get released,

00:02:09.400 who also has an ICE detainer on them, something they haven't been doing.

00:02:12.700 Okay, is this mayor actually going to do that?

00:02:17.320 Because all we keep hearing from him is, no, I'm not doing that.

00:02:20.980 And we've been looking for his reaction.

00:02:23.180 We've been updating the Minneapolis Star Tribune to see if he's spoken out with them.

00:02:27.380 I don't see him saying that.

00:02:29.780 I see Homan saying that the A.G. Ellison, who's in hot water of his own,

00:02:35.960 thanks to the fraud scandal there, has said that it can happen.

00:02:40.280 I mean, I have a legal opinion from Keith Ellison that he issued not long ago saying it's contrary to law for them to do that,

00:02:52.380 that it's contrary to law in Minnesota for the local jails to hold any detainee, any criminal,

00:03:02.440 longer than they're supposed to be held in order to facilitate an apprehension by ICE.

00:03:10.280 He says it violates the Fourth Amendment.

00:03:13.200 So I guess under Keith Ellison's interpretation, what has to happen is the local, the county and city jailers

00:03:21.340 have to make sure as the detainee, you know, as the criminal, like whatever, you're an illegal,

00:03:26.700 you get arrested for DWI, you're sitting in the county jail, you bail out, now you're about to get released.

00:03:31.040 What the Ellison legal opinion that's already on the book says is you cannot hold him any longer to call ICE and say,

00:03:36.900 hey, he turns out to be an illegal, we're about to send him back out onto the streets,

00:03:40.500 do you want to come get him because you got a detainer against him?

00:03:43.260 They don't do that in Minneapolis.

00:03:44.680 They do do that in all cities that are not sanctuaries.

00:03:47.240 And now, Holman's saying, okay, we're reaching an agreement with Ellison that they're going to help us now.

00:03:54.160 So I guess is the distinction they've got to call ICE before the guy actually gets the bail?

00:04:00.920 Because under this Ellison legal opinion, they're not allowed to hold him for one minute longer

00:04:05.740 than when they're supposed to be released.

00:04:08.400 So what exactly is happening?

00:04:10.080 I mean, I love that we're saying, you know, we've reached an accommodation.

00:04:13.940 I'd love to hear from the guy who actually has to do it, the mayor of Minneapolis,

00:04:18.720 who's a complete prick and has zero interest in helping enforce federal immigration law.

00:04:25.840 And by the way, just in case you missed what really happened today,

00:04:29.080 what really happened was in an effort to take down the temperature,

00:04:32.120 which was raised by these agitators on the street,

00:04:35.700 Trump said, we're going to give up on anybody who's not a criminal.

00:04:39.900 I know, I know Tom Holman said, we're not doing that.

00:04:42.660 I know he said, no, no, we'll still, you know, we'll go after the ones who aren't

00:04:46.880 like also criminals on top of being illegals.

00:04:49.740 We will, like he basically made it sound like if we encounter them, we're going to get them.

00:04:54.460 But the mission has changed.

00:04:55.700 Don't fool yourself.

00:04:57.400 Tom Holman went in.

00:04:58.560 There was a divide between Kristi Noem and Corey Lewandowski reportedly on the one side

00:05:03.200 and Tom Holman on the other and a couple of others who are on his, in his camp,

00:05:08.980 on who we should be going after.

00:05:11.980 And Noem and Lewandowski wanted it to be everyone, illegals who are here, period.

00:05:18.300 And yes, we should prioritize the criminals, but like we should also be getting the illegals.

00:05:23.240 That's what we were elected to do.

00:05:24.700 And Tom Holman's general approach has been, and I understand it because we only have limited resources,

00:05:30.440 worst first, the worst first.

00:05:32.300 Let's prioritize the criminals.

00:05:33.580 And now, believe me, it appears that the accommodation we've reached with these locals

00:05:41.020 is we are just going to go after the criminals.

00:05:43.820 And when Tom Holman was specifically asked, what about the others?

00:05:46.780 Like this guy, he was like, oh, no, you know, they're still technically on the agenda.

00:05:50.360 Oh, I mean, you, I'll play you the sound as we go through the opening.

00:05:54.080 You'll decide for yourselves.

00:05:56.640 I'm sorry, but that's not what we voted for.

00:05:59.280 We actually did vote for all of them to get out.

00:06:02.040 And so this is a win for these protesters that it is.

00:06:07.800 Like the president's ardent defenders are going to try to spin it.

00:06:10.140 It's like, no, it's not.

00:06:10.800 He hasn't given an inch.

00:06:12.160 You know, he's tripling down.

00:06:13.120 No, he isn't.

00:06:14.380 He isn't.

00:06:15.300 I mean, it was very clear.

00:06:16.320 And I love Tom Holman.

00:06:17.360 He's doing the president's bidding.

00:06:18.840 The president has decided to turn down the heat because his poll numbers are falling on this.

00:06:23.840 I get it.

00:06:24.200 I get it all.

00:06:24.940 But I'm not going to lie to you about what's happening.

00:06:27.880 You know, administration officials may try to spin you.

00:06:30.760 That's not happening here.

00:06:32.040 Um, so now we're going to prioritize just the illegals, just the ones who have committed

00:06:40.340 an additional crime.

00:06:41.420 And we are also drawing down the number of officers who are in Minneapolis in exchange

00:06:47.500 for this alleged cooperation.

00:06:50.040 Where's the Minneapolis mayor?

00:06:55.620 Where's his statement?

00:06:57.740 Okay.

00:06:58.140 Because Keith Ellison is the state attorney general.

00:07:01.340 The state of Minnesota has already been cooperating in this way.

00:07:06.340 We explained this to you yesterday.

00:07:07.520 The state isn't technically a sanctuary state, though it has many sanctuary policies.

00:07:12.220 It's the cities and the counties around Minnesota who have been refusing to cooperate with ICE.

00:07:17.000 So it's great for Keith Ellison, who, again, is himself at the center of this fraud scandal involving all the Somalis.

00:07:24.800 We played you the tape of him working with them, trying to say, oh, this isn't a big deal.

00:07:29.180 And how can I help you?

00:07:30.040 And so on.

00:07:30.520 He's he's exposed.

00:07:32.460 He denies wrongdoing.

00:07:34.460 He's there saying, OK, we'll cut a deal where, you know, we'll let these locals.

00:07:40.520 Help you.

00:07:41.200 OK, you're going to you're going to let them.

00:07:45.080 I mean, you have a legal opinion saying they can't under the Fourth Amendment.

00:07:49.000 And also the local officials are not saying that they're on board.

00:07:53.220 So that's where we are.

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00:08:53.440 At the same time, there's a stunning, I mean, it's not really surprising, but it's stunning in its own way, new video of what the left's latest hero, their latest poster boy for decent, law-abiding observer, Alex Preddy, was in fact up to the week before his fatal shooting by Border Patrol officers last Saturday.

00:09:15.620 We've heard a lot about how Preddy was just an innocent protester, a caring nurse, just making his voice heard in opposition to Trump's evil deportation policies.

00:09:26.220 There were reports that Preddy had had, we opened our show with this on Tuesday, a previous confrontation with federal officers, and now we have the video and we have it from two different angles and they're very, very telling.

00:09:38.280 It turns out it happened on January 13th in Minneapolis around 10.15 a.m., 11 days before the fatal shooting.

00:09:44.920 The video was filmed by a media outlet called The News Movement.

00:09:49.780 The footage was first verified by the BBC and later Preddy's parents confirmed that it's him in the video.

00:09:57.900 And let me just tell you something.

00:09:59.380 As soon as this hit, you had the left, realizing this is a terrible video for their side because they're trying to lionize this guy and make him into Mother Teresa, immediately saying, it's fake.

00:10:10.080 Never heard of this news movement.

00:10:11.600 How do you know it's the BBC?

00:10:12.700 I mean, truly, you should see, like, I posted it almost immediately, all my comments from leftists.

00:10:17.060 Are we sure this is a BBC?

00:10:18.260 How do we know?

00:10:18.860 Is it real?

00:10:19.360 The guy's parents have verified it's him in the video.

00:10:21.840 So you're going to have to find a different defense, leftists, and deal with reality.

00:10:26.720 He was an agitator.

00:10:28.380 He was a terrorist.

00:10:29.980 Honestly, like, Kristi Noem took all sorts of shit for saying he was a domestic terrorist.

00:10:34.340 Yeah, he qualifies.

00:10:35.900 He was terrorizing those ICE agents.

00:10:38.500 I'm not excusing the other shit she said.

00:10:40.320 He went there with an intent to kill the law.

00:10:41.860 No, no.

00:10:43.100 But that term, and you may recall, all week long, I have said, I'm not going to drag her

00:10:47.820 on that term because we don't actually know the full extent of what Alex Preddy was doing

00:10:51.740 out there.

00:10:52.540 Like, I'm actually still open-minded on that term.

00:10:55.880 Well, now we see this video.

00:10:57.540 What would you call it?

00:10:59.240 Watch.

00:10:59.560 This is a moment the news movement filmed on January 13th in Minneapolis, showing a man

00:11:04.680 showing a man who appears to be Alex Preddy interacting with federal immigration agents 11

00:11:09.800 days before Border Patrol shot and killed him.

00:11:12.600 Our footage was analyzed by the BBC, whose facial recognition technology confirmed his identity to a 97% degree of accuracy.

00:11:21.480 On the morning of January 13th, our team received a tip that federal agents were blocking the street at the corner of East 36 and Park Avenue in Minneapolis.

00:11:32.140 We arrived around 10.15 a.m.

00:11:35.380 We saw observers shouting at the agents as they walked back to their vehicles.

00:11:39.420 When they started driving away, the man kicked their taillight.

00:11:44.120 An agent then got out of the vehicle, grabbed him, and pushed him to the ground.

00:11:57.180 During the altercation, agents fired tear gas and pepper balls into the crowd.

00:12:02.300 They continued to hold the man down before they retreat, and he walks away.

00:12:09.420 The man in our footage is wearing a similar outfit to what Preddy was wearing on the day he was killed.

00:12:17.820 What appears to be a gun is also visible above his waistband.

00:12:23.160 A gun visible in his waistband.

00:12:27.420 So he was out there with his gun and his anger trying to terrorize, actively harassing law enforcement,

00:12:38.440 federal law enforcement, actually spitting on and attacking federal law enforcement.

00:12:45.240 He was dressed exactly as he was on the day he was shot and killed 11 days later.

00:12:49.340 He smashed their vehicle's taillight in the process, angrily kicking it out.

00:12:54.920 The whole thing came out of the back of the car and fell on the ground.

00:12:58.720 And for the viewing audience, take a look at your screen.

00:13:01.540 Preddy was armed in this confrontation, too.

00:13:03.300 You can clearly see his gun in his belt as he went out there and menaced these officers.

00:13:10.640 Now, virtually every Second Amendment lover and expert I know has been trying to make the point this week

00:13:18.960 to the people who say, oh, you can't just kill somebody because he's got a gun.

00:13:23.600 Of course not.

00:13:24.820 Of course.

00:13:25.060 And no one here has ever suggested that.

00:13:26.600 But what the Second Amendment experts and advocates have been making clear this week

00:13:33.180 is that when you are carrying, you have a heightened duty, not a lower one.

00:13:39.560 You have an extra duty to avoid confrontation, not a lesser one.

00:13:44.420 And especially if you're going to get in the face of law enforcement who are armed, who are under attack,

00:13:54.020 and who have been harassed and tortured every day, all day by agitated, angry, maniacal protesters

00:14:06.680 with the whistles and the cars blocking them and making sure they can't sleep at night in their hotels

00:14:13.800 with the nonstop noise and screaming in their faces, trying to dox them, biting off the finger,

00:14:22.400 attacking them with shovels, bleeding out of their mouths and noses.

00:14:26.320 They try to protect one another.

00:14:27.740 Okay, so especially if you are going to be confronting one of them and you know you're armed,

00:14:35.100 you have a heightened duty to avoid confrontation.

00:14:39.460 And certainly if it starts to go there, to make very clear up front that you are armed

00:14:44.900 so you don't take anybody by surprise.

00:14:47.420 He did none of that.

00:14:49.840 He, in fact, literally begged them to assault him.

00:14:55.760 Okay, that's what's happened here.

00:14:58.980 If there was any doubt whether Alex Preddy was seeking to provoke federal officers,

00:15:05.020 take a look at the second angle of the January 13th confrontation.

00:15:08.760 You can clearly hear him literally urge the federal officers to assault him in a profanity-laced tirade.

00:15:18.760 Fuck you!

00:15:20.560 Fuck you!

00:15:22.580 Fuck you!

00:15:24.480 That's him.

00:15:25.220 Fuck you!

00:15:30.000 That's him yelling.

00:15:30.680 That's him yelling.

00:15:39.640 Fuck it.

00:15:40.260 Fucking assault me, motherfucker.

00:15:46.440 Spits on the cop.

00:15:48.740 Tore the cop.

00:15:50.140 Kicks the cop's car.

00:15:51.100 Fuck you!

00:15:55.480 Double, double middle finger.

00:15:57.240 Now the law enforcement officer, Border Patrol, gets out and confronts him.

00:16:01.140 There's a physical confrontation in which he reportedly broke a rib.

00:16:04.720 But he was literally begging.

00:16:07.360 This is not hyperbole.

00:16:08.800 This is not me using a figure of speech.

00:16:11.240 He was literally saying, fuck you.

00:16:14.720 Fucking assault me, motherfucker.

00:16:16.360 I mean, it's right there.

00:16:20.200 I mean, it's right there.

00:16:20.240 All you need are a clear pair of ears to understand exactly what Alex Preddy wanted.

00:16:28.700 And he got it.

00:16:30.700 Not exactly the type of guy the Democrats and the media have been telling us he was this entire week.

00:16:36.980 Watch.

00:16:38.360 Alex Preddy died as he lived, protecting his neighbors.

00:16:43.760 In a country run by cowards, be like Alex Preddy.

00:16:48.560 You ask us for peace and we give it and we get shot in the face on the streets coming out of a donut shop.

00:16:53.640 As his mom described him and dad, he was a kind-hearted soul.

00:16:59.120 And they've asked us to tell the truth about him.

00:17:02.620 We can never thank our nurses enough.

00:17:05.700 And the one thing I know about Alex Preddy's life is that he was never thanked enough.

00:17:09.480 Where he seems to be helping up a woman who has fallen.

00:17:12.960 And a nurse who stepped in to protect a woman from harm.

00:17:15.740 All he was doing was helping someone, a woman who'd been pushed over into the snow.

00:17:22.440 No matter how hard people tried to thank him, because we, the patients, can never find the words big enough to express our gratitude and love to our nurses.

00:17:34.460 Oh my God.

00:17:36.940 This is ridiculous.

00:17:38.220 Yeah, they love the nurses like this one, fucking assault me, like the ones we've been featuring on the show this week, who want Caroline Levitt to have a grade four tear, who want nurse anesthetists to put suctional choline, which paralyzes you and would kill you if you weren't under the active care of an anesthesiologist, into the veins of ICE agents.

00:18:01.920 So that, there's Lawrence O'Donnell, this guy, Alex, he was just a nurse we didn't thank enough, that's all, just a sweet nurse wanting to help people.

00:18:13.200 And check out what the idiot over at The View, I mean, I, one of them, Ana Navarro said on CNN.

00:18:20.760 They killed the wrong guy, right?

00:18:22.500 Because this is like, this is like the perfect guy.

00:18:25.740 Alex Preddy is the guy you would want to date your daughter.

00:18:28.240 The one, the guy you want your son to grow up to be.

00:18:33.220 No, it's a no.

00:18:35.580 I don't know what kind of guy Ana Navarro wants women in her family to date, but no, we do not.

00:18:43.320 Sane people want our children to grow up to be anything like Alex, petty, pretty, and we certainly don't want our sons to grow into him.

00:18:49.780 We do know for certain that he is the kind of guy who would spit on a cop and smash a law enforcement vehicle while armed and beg federal officers to assault him.

00:19:00.360 He wanted his little viral moment.

00:19:04.160 And let me tell you something, he got a taste of the little fame, like he enjoyed it.

00:19:08.020 I'm sure he was a hero amongst all of his little protester, rioter, terrorist types out there on that street corner.

00:19:13.920 And he went right back out there looking for another confrontation and it got him killed.

00:19:19.020 It got him killed.

00:19:21.440 Do you think, I mean, think about it.

00:19:23.560 If you had a gun on you and you wound up getting in a confrontation with six border patrol agents, don't you think he'd be saying, I surrender?

00:19:33.240 I have a gun.

00:19:34.500 I give up.

00:19:36.180 Please don't hurt me.

00:19:37.480 You know, anything.

00:19:38.900 That's not what happened.

00:19:40.020 He was enjoying it.

00:19:42.960 He wanted the confrontation.

00:19:44.640 He was out there literally asking for it.

00:19:49.500 So with all the negative headlines, the Democrat hysteria.

00:19:55.100 And of course, the reported concerns now about tanking poll numbers on immigration.

00:19:59.720 President Trump decided he had to do something.

00:20:02.320 And unfortunately, it appears to have been a change in his immigration policy.

00:20:10.020 Again, they're not saying that.

00:20:11.860 That's what it is.

00:20:13.700 Tom Homan announcing a key part of Minnesota's sanctuary policy may, may be getting reversed or suspended.

00:20:22.520 Watch.

00:20:22.740 I didn't ask him to be immigration officers.

00:20:26.080 I'm asking them to be cops working with the cops to help us take criminal aliens off the street.

00:20:30.920 I'm also pleased to announce I had a very good meeting with Attorney General, Attorney General Ellison.

00:20:37.140 And he has clarified for me that county jails may notify ICE of the release dates of criminal public safety risks so ICE can take custody of them upon the release from the jail.

00:20:54.500 All we want is to talk to the person that local and state law enforcement authorities locked in a jail cell.

00:21:03.720 They chose to lock this person up.

00:21:06.240 When we have these agreements, it takes less law enforcement agents to do the job.

00:21:11.060 One agent can arrest one bad guy in the safety and security of a jail where he's behind the wire.

00:21:17.840 We know we don't have weapons.

00:21:19.860 But when you normally release that public safety threat, illegal alien back in the community, we have a job to do.

00:21:27.780 We're going to arrest them.

00:21:29.340 So what could have been done with one person in a safety and security jail?

00:21:32.860 Now we've got 15, 16 people out there doing it.

00:21:35.620 I know that causes stress in the community.

00:21:39.880 This is common sense cooperation that allows us to draw down on the number of people we have here.

00:21:45.880 Yes, I said it.

00:21:46.840 Draw down the number of people here.

00:21:49.680 Because we have the efficiency and safety of the jails in the prison.

00:21:57.140 Hopefully.

00:21:59.020 I hope we do.

00:22:00.820 But even if we do, let's be honest.

00:22:02.300 Just how many of the illegals who are in Minneapolis are sitting in the local jails right now because they committed another crime?

00:22:12.000 Again, not like state prison.

00:22:13.760 That's where you go when you get sentenced.

00:22:15.360 They ship you off to the state prison.

00:22:16.820 The local county jails, that's like a holding area where they hold you temporarily, usually until you have a trial.

00:22:23.960 Or if you've been held without bail.

00:22:27.260 And so, like, that's a temporary housing situation for people who have been accused.

00:22:33.660 Like, we're ignoring the vast majority of the illegals who are in Minnesota.

00:22:38.260 We hadn't been, but now we are really limiting it as an accommodation to these fucking lunatics who are assaulting ICE officers.

00:22:47.780 Again, we're still awaiting confirmation for even that sliver of a change from the local officials.

00:22:56.360 Let's hear it from the mayor.

00:22:58.560 If true, it will change things somewhat.

00:23:01.280 ICE will be able to safely take custody of these violent criminals inside secure facilities.

00:23:07.520 Tom Homan has been saying this is a goal from the beginning, making it a safer interaction for everybody.

00:23:12.980 For ICE, Border Patrol, for the illegal alien, for the civilians, everybody.

00:23:18.920 Instead of out on the street, where he explained today how they had to bring, they got to bring all this backup.

00:23:23.200 They got to have people for the front door.

00:23:24.720 They got to have them for the back door.

00:23:26.000 They got to have them in case the guy runs.

00:23:27.360 They got to, like, protect if there are children there.

00:23:29.500 That has to be handled with more manpower and so on.

00:23:31.640 So, like, his point is totally valid.

00:23:34.060 I mean, they should be cooperating on the jails.

00:23:35.960 Obviously, that's the best place to make the arrests.

00:23:38.020 But, yeah, you get it.

00:23:39.980 A CNN reporter asked Homan today how this operation has been allowed to, quote, create such fear.

00:23:51.120 And Tom Homan, this is not his first rodeo, as you can hear in this response.

00:23:56.920 Watch.

00:23:57.900 I'm Shimon Prokopez from CNN.

00:23:59.740 Mr. Homan, how did we get here?

00:24:02.060 We're having border patrol agents in the interior of this country stopping U.S. citizens, asking them for ID, creating this fear in places like Chicago and now here.

00:24:15.760 And then, finally, it took, really, the death of Alex Petty for us to get here.

00:24:22.980 How did that happen?

00:24:24.000 Who made the decisions to allow this kind of operation to proceed in this way and to create such fear?

00:24:31.740 The questions we've seen and why are we here?

00:24:34.100 What started this?

00:24:35.200 Four years of an open border.

00:24:37.960 Where millions of people are letting this country unvetted.

00:24:41.060 The politicians are continually attacking us.

00:24:43.400 Where were they the last four years when the number of women and children's sex traffic went at an all-time high?

00:24:53.280 Where were they when a quarter million Americans died from fentanyl coming across the border?

00:24:58.240 Where were they when women and children are dying making that journey?

00:25:07.800 Where were they when over 4,000 families making that journey died, historic record?

00:25:13.400 Where were they?

00:25:14.800 Not a word.

00:25:16.660 Now we're just trying to respond to what happened the last four years and keeping this country safe.

00:25:22.680 That's exactly right.

00:25:23.820 And honestly, the Trump administration cannot say that enough.

00:25:27.200 They're trying to fix a problem they did not create.

00:25:29.820 This was created by Joe Biden.

00:25:32.300 I mean, so millions of these illegals, they were welcomed here.

00:25:39.240 There was a red carpet for them, thanks to Joe Biden.

00:25:41.720 And Homan kept making the point that he said it was 10 million who came in.

00:25:49.140 They think around 10 million that Joe Biden let in.

00:25:51.580 Okay.

00:25:52.320 And he said, but there were 2 million gotaways.

00:25:54.780 And what that means is that they were distracted, like the cartels initiate an operation.

00:26:01.600 He made the point that like they'll take out, they literally took a baby and threw it in the Rio Grande, knowing that the Border Patrol agents would go run to save the baby, which is a distraction technique.

00:26:11.440 And then the illegals run across.

00:26:13.320 So they don't want any interaction with Border Patrol.

00:26:17.340 They don't want to claim fake asylum.

00:26:19.220 They don't want to be caught and then like allowed to come here after a hearing or not.

00:26:24.860 You know, either way, they're allowed to stay because we never deport anybody.

00:26:27.620 But my point is simply, they just wanted to get out of the hair of law enforcement entirely.

00:26:33.480 And he was saying those are the ones who scare him the most.

00:26:36.080 What was so bad about those people that they needed to be, they needed to sneak across quickly without any actual detection.

00:26:42.860 He said it keeps them up at night.

00:26:44.060 So he says he's that ICE is now going to target the most dangerous criminal aliens.

00:26:49.740 But he also did say because he's and he's been committed to this mission for 50 years.

00:26:56.380 But he did say anybody who cross anybody who crossed the border illegally should not consider themselves off the hook.

00:27:03.620 If you're in the country, you're not you're never off the table.

00:27:05.820 Let me say this.

00:27:08.340 If the message we send is you enter this country illegally, it's a crime.

00:27:13.700 Don't worry about it.

00:27:14.860 You can have your due process, show up in court, not show up in court, get ordered, move.

00:27:18.780 Don't worry about it.

00:27:20.060 Unless you commit a serious crime, you're good to go.

00:27:24.200 If that's the message we send to the world, you're never going to fix this problem.

00:27:33.100 I don't I don't I don't love where it's going.

00:27:35.560 I mean, as you can glean, I don't love where it's going.

00:27:39.200 What they're doing is giving these protesters their way.

00:27:43.560 And that's going to lead to more of this behavior.

00:27:47.420 You know, I mean, any parent of a toddler understands exactly what happens when you give in and you give them the lollipop or the toy in the grocery store aisle because they're crying and throwing a fit.

00:27:57.140 You're going to get a whole lot more of it.

00:27:59.520 The only way to handle that as a parent is usually to distract your child.

00:28:04.060 But if you cannot distract him or her from the thing, you cannot give up, give in.

00:28:09.520 You cannot give in.

00:28:11.480 The only way is to show them when you say no, you really mean no.

00:28:15.600 And we're about to give the child the crying child the toy in the grocery aisle.

00:28:20.180 That's that's how this feels.

00:28:21.220 I again, I don't question Tom Holman's motives.

00:28:23.600 I think that President Trump is responding to the thing we've been discussing, which is his cratering poll numbers with independence on this issue.

00:28:31.100 And the reason the poll numbers are cratering is because the left is looking to create conflict in the streets of Minneapolis and the media is to the media wants to create a crisis for President Trump.

00:28:43.420 You know, so far they've gone from Renee Good was just this loving mom dropping off her kid at daycare to now the five-year-old boy was just seized out of the parents' arms.

00:28:54.680 He was abducted and sent to a facility.

00:28:56.860 And now we're on to just a sweet nurse who was there trying to help people has been murdered, murdered.

00:29:05.940 And, you know, like even the headlines about what happened to Alex Preddy are just ridiculous now.

00:29:14.180 Like, what was the word, Steve, that we were talking about this morning on the one headline?

00:29:17.820 Like, interaction.

00:29:19.300 Alex Preddy had previous interaction with law enforcement.

00:29:24.020 Oh, is that all it was?

00:29:25.320 Okay.

00:29:25.880 When he spat on them and assaulted them and kicked in their vehicle taillight, committed several felonies and then resisted arrest, just a sweet little interaction.

00:29:36.840 You know, it's just like when I go over to, like, Joe Friday, the officer on the corner and say, thank you for your service.

00:29:42.060 That's all that happened.

00:29:43.960 So that's what's driving the numbers.

00:29:45.920 The dishonesty of the media and the agitation bought and paid for in part by the Americans sitting in Shanghai.

00:29:53.940 Great.

00:29:54.300 The George Soros wannabe who's paying these agitators, as we reported earlier this week.

00:30:00.640 And we're giving them their way, at least in part.

00:30:04.960 And the one accommodation we say we got from Keith Ellison has not yet been confirmed by the local mayor.

00:30:10.600 So we'll see.

00:30:11.500 Ball's in Jacob Fry's court.

00:30:15.160 In the meantime, we have a whole host of celebrities weighing in in their most dramatic fashion they can.

00:30:26.340 And we're going to go through a few of these with you because these people are disgusting.

00:30:31.420 They're completely hypocritical and they don't give two shits about the children of America.

00:30:37.980 They don't care.

00:30:38.880 They do not care about rape victims, molestation victims, DWI victims, all of whom have died or been severely hurt by illegal immigrants in this country.

00:30:49.400 They never post a video for them.

00:30:51.740 They never shed a tear for them.

00:30:53.620 They only now are getting activated because it's super fun to say you hate ICE.

00:31:00.420 Trump's boogeymen.

00:31:01.720 That'll earn you clicks.

00:31:04.120 That could help your award season push.

00:31:07.500 That makes you a virtuous person.

00:31:10.800 No clicks or snaps or applauding if you stand up for the young girls of the world or of America who are being raped by these illegals.

00:31:23.120 No, no.

00:31:24.120 What you need to do is sit at your multimillion dollar estate and talk about how ICE is the devil.

00:31:32.200 Okay, because, see, you're protected.

00:31:33.940 You're protected.

00:31:35.120 You've got a multimillion dollar resort.

00:31:38.060 You've got a manor.

00:31:39.680 It's an estate.

00:31:41.780 It's sprawling.

00:31:42.780 You've got to have, you know, over 10,000 square feet.

00:31:46.020 That's kind of the bare minimum for you to really have strong feelings on ICE from the look of it.

00:31:49.800 And you have to sit in it with your fountains and your staff and your multiple Birkin bags.

00:31:57.740 And you have to make clear that people need to continue putting their lives at risk by going out there on the streets and interfering with law enforcement, that they're noble.

00:32:07.840 And, you know, you'd love for them to keep doing that.

00:32:09.580 I mean, you're not going to do it because you've got a massage later.

00:32:12.400 And also, like, an appointment with your astrologist and a mani-pedi.

00:32:16.380 But you love that they're doing it.

00:32:18.680 And, you know, you go.

00:32:21.200 And just so you know, I'm with you.

00:32:22.840 And so you should feel encouraged because I, a super rich, beautiful, talented star like Eva Longoria, I'm with you.

00:32:31.780 Okay?

00:32:32.060 And if I throw in my Spanish accent when I say the Spanish names, so much the better, it shows that, like, I'm one of you.

00:32:40.280 So even if I am not going to risk a fucking thing, I'm just like you.

00:32:46.740 Okay?

00:32:47.040 So good luck.

00:32:47.480 I'm sorry if you die.

00:32:48.720 I will definitely post a tearful video.

00:32:51.800 But you go.

00:32:52.820 You go, girls and guys.

00:32:54.920 Here she is.

00:32:55.620 Everything that's happening in Minneapolis is so destabilizing.

00:33:03.400 It's horrible.

00:33:04.380 The murder of Alex Freddie, horrible.

00:33:06.140 The murder of Renee Good, horrible.

00:33:07.880 Murder?

00:33:08.200 They're blatantly murdering U.S. citizens, detaining five-year-olds like Liam Ramos, patrolling schools and churches.

00:33:17.340 So imagine what they're doing behind closed doors at detention centers with no cameras around.

00:33:23.440 Nobody there to have proof of what they're doing.

00:33:27.280 And we need ICE out.

00:33:31.680 She's wearing her little button, ICE out.

00:33:33.720 She's fresh off of her appearance at the Sundance Film Festival because she's a woman of the people.

00:33:38.800 Yeah.

00:33:39.220 She's a woman of the people.

00:33:40.360 As you can tell from her home, which was estimated by celebrity net worth to be, well, her net worth is estimated to be north of $80 million.

00:33:50.520 She and her husband purchased their dream villa in Marbella, Spain, in early 2023.

00:33:57.460 We're showing it on the screen now for the listening audience.

00:34:00.620 It's got marble archways.

00:34:02.980 It's described as a $15 million property in some reports.

00:34:06.180 I'm telling you right now it's more than that.

00:34:07.540 It looks like it's more like $40 million.

00:34:09.660 It is located, the luxurious home, in the prestigious Sierra Blanca area.

00:34:15.140 It features six bedrooms.

00:34:16.160 Don't you have six bedrooms in your home, which is over in Spain and just one of the many you own?

00:34:21.960 And she wanted to show it off.

00:34:23.060 It was important that you see how rich she is.

00:34:25.160 That's why she posed for all these photos in it with her long legs.

00:34:28.480 Like, you're so sexy.

00:34:29.440 I look sexy in my sexy mansion.

00:34:31.480 Seven bathrooms.

00:34:32.300 An indoor pool because outdoors never enough.

00:34:35.200 Sauna, home gym, which she bought and renovated.

00:34:37.860 According to a November 2025 realestate.com article, in 2015, she also snapped up a Hollywood Hills compound for something around $17 million.

00:34:49.680 It had previously been owned by Tom Cruise.

00:34:51.940 And here she is outside at the pool on the diving board in front of the beautiful L.A. sunset.

00:34:58.760 Illegals, come here.

00:35:00.920 You love them so much, Eva.

00:35:03.140 Why don't you invite them there?

00:35:05.060 Maybe they could go for a swim with you.

00:35:06.660 She also owns a gated residence, gated being the operative word, in Zuma Beach, Malibu.

00:35:12.780 Because, you see, Eva needs a gate to protect herself from the illegals and from the criminals.

00:35:17.880 But you don't.

00:35:19.120 You can't have any sort of a gate.

00:35:21.040 Whether it's Tom Homan and ICE or Kristi Noem and Border Patrol, it's a no.

00:35:27.340 She can have guards.

00:35:28.560 She can have a gate.

00:35:29.600 She can have a sprawling resort.

00:35:30.920 And you cannot.

00:35:32.220 Sorry.

00:35:32.900 You can't afford it.

00:35:33.960 But, like, she does care about you.

00:35:36.120 And she really appreciates, you know, your protesting efforts.

00:35:41.140 She bought a Beverly Hills mansion.

00:35:43.280 How many do we have now?

00:35:44.420 We have Spain.

00:35:46.160 We have Hollywood Hills.

00:35:48.240 We have Malibu.

00:35:50.280 We have Beverly Hills.

00:35:51.900 That one she bought for someplace between $13 and $20 million.

00:35:54.900 It hit the market in 2023.

00:35:57.120 It was at $35 million.

00:36:00.080 And she later slashed the price down to—it was at—sorry.

00:36:04.160 It was a mere $23 million.

00:36:06.980 And she had to slash the price down to $19 million.

00:36:09.160 I mean, they're the hard times.

00:36:10.800 That's got to be rough.

00:36:11.960 So that's Eva, okay?

00:36:14.600 Eva really cares about her people, right?

00:36:17.940 She wants to play the Spanish card.

00:36:20.000 It's interesting because I don't remember the tearful video, the button being worn for Aria Cruz Asensio.

00:36:29.840 She doesn't know who that is.

00:36:31.980 Aria—and neither do you because the media wouldn't make Aria a household name.

00:36:35.900 Aria was killed in a car accident.

00:36:37.360 Nobody even knows about this child.

00:36:39.200 And she was killed in a car accident by an illegal who was a repeat DUI offender, okay?

00:36:45.340 So Eva does not know who Aria is because she doesn't give a shit.

00:36:51.440 She would never look up people like Laken Riley, people like Jocelyn Nungare.

00:36:57.580 She doesn't know what happened to her.

00:36:58.980 She doesn't know what happened to Aria.

00:37:00.580 What happened to Aria was Aria was killed by a repeat DUI offender who was an illegal from Guatemala

00:37:06.120 who crossed a double line and pulverized her.

00:37:09.960 She was the daughter of a U.S. Marine, okay, named Oscar.

00:37:14.080 And Eva posted nothing about her because she doesn't give a shit.

00:37:18.500 She doesn't know anything about her or any of the others that we've covered repeatedly on this show and others.

00:37:23.880 She's worried more about her mansion in Spain.

00:37:27.580 It's not just Eva.

00:37:29.260 Let's keep going.

00:37:29.980 Jane Fonda.

00:37:31.080 She's got thoughts.

00:37:31.980 Let's take a listen to what's on Jane's mind.

00:37:36.120 This is it.

00:37:41.180 This is our documentary moment.

00:37:43.700 And guess what?

00:37:44.400 The people of Minnesota know this.

00:37:47.060 And they're saying, enough, enough leaders like Minnesota's lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan,

00:37:53.340 who's been speaking truth to power and fighting for our democracy.

00:37:57.220 We need more fighters like Peggy in government.

00:38:00.140 Okay, and she's also out there now calling on women to channel their internal lesbian anger against Trump and ICE.

00:38:10.340 I'm going to spare you that video.

00:38:11.880 Trust me, it's ridiculous.

00:38:13.400 She's got a lesbian standing behind her.

00:38:15.240 But she's really upset with ICE, as you know, and she wants everyone to channel their anger against ICE,

00:38:20.300 because now would be a great time to gin up anger against ICE.

00:38:23.260 Jane Fonda is not going to have to worry about any of these illegals coming to hurt her.

00:38:27.200 As of early 2026, her net worth is estimated to be approximately $200 million.

00:38:32.160 Following her divorce from Ted Turner, she received a settlement ranging from $40 to $70 million in cash.

00:38:39.520 She's owned several luxurious eco-conscious properties, most notably a 7,100-square-foot Beverly Hills mansion.

00:38:47.560 Her current nearly $6 million three-story townhouse in Century City.

00:38:52.900 Look at this for the listening audience.

00:38:54.440 This is her Beverly Hills.

00:38:56.240 Okay, this is her Century City.

00:38:57.940 This is like the more modest version for the 88-year-old version of Jane.

00:39:01.980 Every 88-year-old you know is living like this, aren't they?

00:39:05.480 She has a Beverly Hills mansion.

00:39:06.980 She sold it in 2018 for $8.5 million, 7,100 square feet, four-bedroom, 6.5 bath,

00:39:14.640 floor-to-ceiling windows, solar-heated pool, a meditation garden, a master suite with a two-level sitting room.

00:39:20.360 This Century City townhouse, purchased in 2017, $5.45 million, 5,700 square feet,

00:39:25.840 four-bedroom, seven-bath, three-story home.

00:39:27.860 Services her primary residence now, located in a gated community,

00:39:30.820 featuring her private elevator, a courtyard, and a third-floor patio.

00:39:33.300 She also has a Santa Fe ranch, which she owned, 2,300 acres.

00:39:39.720 Do you have 2,300 acres in Santa Fe, New Mexico?

00:39:42.620 Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

00:39:44.240 At least $20 million, according to Realtor.com.

00:39:47.740 She had it for 15 years.

00:39:49.420 She sold it to build a custom, sustainable river house, and I could go on.

00:39:54.740 So she doesn't have to worry, you see, about the illegals coming to get her in her home,

00:40:02.640 like we talked about with Lizbeth, stabbing her to death in her bathtub.

00:40:06.540 She's good.

00:40:08.040 But she really wants you to go out there and protest ICE,

00:40:10.700 who's trying to make sure little kids in Minneapolis don't have to deal with this shit.

00:40:15.180 Let's keep going.

00:40:16.280 These are not the only two nimrods out there.

00:40:18.260 How about John Leguizamo?

00:40:20.860 He's got thoughts.

00:40:21.840 Let's see what they are.

00:40:22.580 If you follow ICE, unfollow me.

00:40:31.440 Don't come to my shows and don't watch my movies.

00:40:36.260 Yeah.

00:40:37.260 Well, if I want to, I will.

00:40:39.080 And you can't stop me.

00:40:40.180 Tough shit.

00:40:41.540 But I'm not really feeling inspired because you two, John Leguizamo, are a disgusting hypocrite.

00:40:47.800 Your net worth is tens of millions of dollars,

00:40:50.420 and you've owned several notable properties, reportedly, including a 150-year-old renovated townhouse in Manhattan's West Village,

00:40:57.660 featuring a wisteria-covered backyard, an antique-filled aesthetic, and a cave-like dining room he previously owned.

00:41:05.440 Look, there are pictures of it.

00:41:06.380 And do you know why there are pictures of it?

00:41:07.420 Because he, too, was dying for you to see how rich he is.

00:41:11.140 He, like, if you want to show off your home, okay, you can show off your home.

00:41:14.720 Why would you attach your name to it other than to tell everybody, I'm fucking rich.

00:41:18.840 Look at me.

00:41:20.260 Look at him posing for his pictures.

00:41:22.220 Yeah, I've made it, and you haven't.

00:41:25.240 So John previously owned a four-story East Village brownstone and a 7.6-acre lakefront retreat in Kingston, New York.

00:41:34.840 His West Village townhome, 19th-century home, renovated to include a mix of antique furniture,

00:41:39.340 dark-toned living room, and Venetian plastering in a basement office.

00:41:42.880 East Village brownstone was located on East 7th Street, four-bedroom property.

00:41:47.720 Featured brick fireplaces, vaulted ceilings, and a large terrace.

00:41:50.900 Sold it for $4 million in 2013.

00:41:53.420 Upstate, that retreat in Kingston, 7.64-acre property, including a stone fireplace, exposed wood beams,

00:41:59.540 a guest cottage, and a pool.

00:42:01.200 Listed in 2011 for just under $1 million.

00:42:04.040 Oh, it had a guest cottage.

00:42:06.020 You could actually host some of these illegals there, John.

00:42:08.680 Did you?

00:42:09.980 I don't think so.

00:42:12.120 Let's check in with another Hollywood celeb who thinks she knows better.

00:42:15.660 Olivia Wilde, who made a name a couple years ago for herself by mocking Jordan Peterson fans as incels

00:42:26.120 because she thought it was super funny that these young men who have the highest suicide rate of anyone in America

00:42:33.820 might actually seek some mental health guidance from a guy like Jordan.

00:42:38.320 She thought this would be a great opportunity to mock them, those fucking losers who haven't had sex.

00:42:44.120 Ha!

00:42:44.660 It's great.

00:42:45.540 Look at them crying with Jordan Peterson.

00:42:47.920 Look at me.

00:42:49.020 I'm a Hollywood actress.

00:42:50.660 I've starred in movies.

00:42:52.240 I'm hot.

00:42:53.240 I get all the best men.

00:42:55.180 I'm worth tens of millions of dollars.

00:42:56.760 And these ugly losers are out there following Jordan Peterson.

00:43:02.140 That's Olivia Wilde.

00:43:03.540 So you shouldn't be surprised to learn she's weighing in now with her little ice-out pin.

00:43:08.920 Here it is in SOT 23.

00:43:10.920 I'm appalled.

00:43:11.920 I'm sickened.

00:43:13.080 And we can't go another day just sort of accepting this as our new norm.

00:43:17.820 It's outrageous.

00:43:18.800 People are being murdered.

00:43:20.180 And I don't want to normalize seeing people being murdered on the Internet, on film.

00:43:25.480 It's hideous.

00:43:28.000 And so if we can do anything out here to support the movement, to cast ICE out, to delegitimize

00:43:35.760 this unbelievably criminal organization, then that's what we should be doing.

00:43:42.940 So I'm proud of her that.

00:43:44.220 I mean, you see the marches happening around the country.

00:43:46.180 Americans are speaking up in huge numbers.

00:43:48.760 And it's dangerous to be a protester now.

00:43:50.360 And people are still going out into the streets, which is incredibly inspiring.

00:43:54.040 Yes, it's inspiring.

00:43:56.780 So inspiring.

00:43:57.660 She may actually venture out of her $10 million estate.

00:44:01.940 Let's take a look where Olivia Wilde.

00:44:03.860 Oh, it's actually too big to even really fit in the picture.

00:44:07.440 It looks like something that, like, Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt owned together.

00:44:12.860 I mean, it looks like a castle.

00:44:14.300 It's got the Spanish roof, you know, like the terracotta with the white facade.

00:44:21.920 It's got impeccable landscaping.

00:44:24.080 It could be a slice out of the Versailles Gardens.

00:44:27.000 It goes on and on.

00:44:28.820 You can't even see really the end of it.

00:44:31.120 But Olivia would love for you to go out into the streets of Minneapolis and put your life

00:44:35.180 at risk by confronting law enforcement.

00:44:37.400 She's totally inspired.

00:44:38.400 So inspired.

00:44:39.040 She will give you a few words from Sundance Film Festival, where she's sipping champagne

00:44:43.980 and rubbing elbows with Hollywood's Most Elite.

00:44:47.140 Do you feel inspired?

00:44:48.540 I hope you do.

00:44:49.860 By the way, I don't remember Olivia shedding a tear for or speaking out at all about Kayla

00:44:58.120 Hamilton.

00:44:58.580 Where was Olivia when Kayla Hamilton was murdered in her mobile home by an illegal immigrant who

00:45:07.640 was here, of course, unlawfully, the guy whose name was Walter Javier Martinez.

00:45:14.660 He was here from El Salvador.

00:45:17.020 He came in under Joe Biden in 2022.

00:45:21.120 And just for good measure, Olivia, you didn't speak out about Kayla, a young woman who was brutalized

00:45:27.120 and murdered by him.

00:45:28.500 This guy actually not only murdered Kayla, he confessed to four other murders and two

00:45:31.920 rapes.

00:45:33.440 I mean, maybe, maybe the ICE agents who found him and were looking for him could have used

00:45:38.780 a shout out at that time.

00:45:40.100 But I guess we're going to go the other way.

00:45:41.720 We're just going to we're going to shit on them now that they're actually trying to find

00:45:45.540 these bad guys and prevent another Kayla from dying.

00:45:49.300 But you would like to dump on them from your sprawling mansion in Beverly Hills.

00:45:54.460 I get it.

00:45:54.880 That's totally noble of you.

00:45:55.920 I mean, honestly, we all deeply admire you.

00:45:59.360 The sacrifice is amazing.

00:46:03.140 This is Kayla's mom who actually spoke out against Selena Gomez when she tried this shit

00:46:08.780 and the White House put her testimonial on its website.

00:46:13.380 On July 27th, 2022, I received the worst news that a parent doesn't want to hear that my newly

00:46:21.240 20-year-old daughter Kayla Hamilton was murdered in her own room and left on the floor like trash.

00:46:29.100 At the end of March of 2022, Kayla's murderer was apprehended by border patrol crossing illegally

00:46:36.140 into the U.S. at the southwest border in Rio Grande City, Texas.

00:46:40.140 I am not sure if he was vetted or not, but he was a 16-year-old known gang member affiliated with MS-13 in El Salvador.

00:46:49.200 Kayla had autism, but she was determined to live independently and make her way in this world.

00:46:54.580 And my baby paid the ultimate price.

00:46:58.020 The murderer went into Kayla's room, stalling her, grabbed her iPod charger and wrapped it around her throat and face while strangling her to death.

00:47:09.000 Kayla grabbed her phone and called her boyfriend but went to voicemail.

00:47:12.580 The murderer then violently sexually assaulted Kayla.

00:47:17.140 Kayla's boyfriend came home from work and found her dead on the floor.

00:47:20.560 The charger cord was so tight around her neck and face that her boyfriend had to use his teeth to get it off.

00:47:27.000 For me, this is not a political issue.

00:47:29.080 This is a safety issue for everyone living in the United States.

00:47:32.700 This could have been anyone's daughter.

00:47:35.200 Kayla wasn't doing anything wrong and she didn't deserve to be murdered.

00:47:38.440 I don't want any other parent to live the nightmare that I am living.

00:47:42.880 I am her voice now and I am going to fight with everything I have to get her story told and bring awareness of the issue at the border.

00:47:52.800 That's poor Tammy Nobles.

00:47:56.380 Would that change Olivia's opinion?

00:47:59.340 No.

00:48:00.380 As you well know, it wouldn't.

00:48:04.260 That's not all.

00:48:05.180 Let me give you Giancarlo Esposito.

00:48:06.780 You know, some very rich old white men are exerting their power to suppress our own people, thus creating a feeling of civil war in the streets, preparing the hate, the haters to hate, teaching them how to shoot.

00:48:31.600 They're not even trained right to kill.

00:48:33.460 This is all a preparation for a very insidious problem that's happening in our world.

00:48:40.080 This is time for a revolution.

00:48:42.320 It's time for it.

00:48:43.360 And they don't even know that's what they're starting.

00:48:45.380 But we have to be strong enough to know that we can change the world.

00:48:51.060 We have to change it from within.

00:48:52.260 Giancarlo will be joining the revolution from his 2,600 square foot residence in Austin, Texas, valued over a million dollars, which he bought after he sold off his mansion in Ridgefield, Connecticut, which he bought for over a million dollars and was sprawling and spectacular.

00:49:12.080 OK, so I don't know, maybe it'll be the Connecticut estate or the Austin estate, but that's where he's going to do the revolution from just FYI.

00:49:21.500 And then there's Bruce Springsteen, who's become the most obnoxious old lady in America.

00:49:27.380 Watch Trump's federal thugs beat up on his face and his chest.

00:49:38.100 Then we heard the gunshots and Alex pretty lay in the snow dead.

00:49:46.380 Oh, my God.

00:49:47.760 All right.

00:49:47.980 That's enough.

00:49:48.780 You get that.

00:49:49.440 You get the point.

00:49:50.860 He's pro revolution.

00:49:52.180 OK, he's anti ice.

00:49:53.620 His worth is over a billion dollars per Forbes.

00:49:57.360 His primary residence is a sprawling 127 acre equestrian estate in Colts Neck, New York.

00:50:03.160 He also owns a sprawling property in Beverly Hills, valued at just a paltry 11 million.

00:50:08.380 I could go on again.

00:50:10.360 He'll be doing the revolution remotely and with his guitar.

00:50:13.980 But the rest of you should definitely put your lives on the line to protect people like Walter Javier Martinez, the killer of Kayla Hamilton.

00:50:23.620 With his five total murders and two rapes.

00:50:26.360 You definitely should put your your life on the line because Bruce is going to play a song for you.

00:50:32.640 And Eva, you know, nearly makeup free, is going to say something nice about you.

00:50:37.060 And someone might deign to think of you at the at the Sundance Film Festival.

00:50:41.080 So good luck with that.

00:50:43.220 We'll be right back with Will Chamberlain.

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00:51:47.940 Joining me now, Will Chamberlain, an attorney and senior counsel for the Article 3 project.

00:51:56.660 He works with our friend Mike Davis.

00:51:58.800 Will, welcome back.

00:51:59.740 So this new video of Alex Preddy is very telling.

00:52:03.940 And it exploded last night on the internet.

00:52:07.580 There were very heated debates on X about whether it's relevant.

00:52:11.640 And I thought you had the best take of anybody on why it is relevant.

00:52:15.660 I'm just going to refresh the audience's memory from last hour and show you the second angle of it where you can hear him yelling at the agents here in Sop 2.

00:52:23.940 F-ing assault me.

00:52:46.600 There he goes, tries to spit on the ICE agent.

00:52:55.820 With anger, kicks in the taillight, which comes off the truck entirely.

00:53:00.500 Double middle finger.

00:53:01.800 Now out comes the agent.

00:53:04.380 Confrontation.

00:53:05.500 He resists.

00:53:06.620 And they let him go.

00:53:09.520 And 11 days later, he would do it again.

00:53:11.820 And he was killed in that second altercation.

00:53:15.600 So your thoughts on why this is relevant?

00:53:18.540 If these are the same, any of the same guards, it's obviously relevant.

00:53:23.500 Because if they recognize this guy as a terrorist, yes, of course.

00:53:26.820 But even if they didn't know that this was a guy they'd had a confrontation with 11 days earlier, you make the case for why we're all having this reaction to it.

00:53:36.100 Walk us through it, Will.

00:53:37.820 Well, so it defeats the left's narrative, right?

00:53:40.600 You know, the legal aperture, the way we would view this legally is just from the perspective of the reasonable officer who would be in the shoes of the person who shot Alex Preddy a few days ago.

00:53:51.920 And we've had a slew of legal analysts explain that the likely outcome of a dispassionate analysis of that shooting is that it was a lawful shoot.

00:54:01.300 Because, I mean, there's a variety of reasons.

00:54:03.440 The guy was violently resisting arrest.

00:54:06.240 He had a gun on him.

00:54:07.540 And the officers weren't shooting them.

00:54:08.980 And all of a sudden, they got scared by something.

00:54:11.500 Probably his holster being empty.

00:54:13.020 Somebody saying, gun, gun, gun.

00:54:14.100 We don't know if that's exactly what happened.

00:54:15.660 But that's a reasonable suspicion.

00:54:17.760 And then he was shot.

00:54:18.660 And it's the left that's tried to open the aperture from the legal perspective on self-defense to all these other claims about, oh, ICE is executing people on the street.

00:54:28.720 And this was a nurse who was just trying to help a woman who was in distress.

00:54:31.680 And, you know, he was just protesting the evil of ICE.

00:54:34.600 And these people are untrained and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:37.100 And the thing is, it's like, okay, well, now the aperture is really open.

00:54:41.120 And now we're really seeing who this guy was.

00:54:43.000 And your narrative is totally blown up.

00:54:44.780 And now you want to shrink the aperture back down and say, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:54:48.600 We need to only be thinking about what happened on that day.

00:54:50.980 It's like, well, that's what we've been trying to tell you the whole time.

00:54:53.480 And what the analysis hasn't changed.

00:54:57.380 That's so exactly right.

00:54:58.740 Thank you for saying it so articulately.

00:55:00.600 Eric Erickson's been online trying to, like, call back conservatives who are moved by this video, saying, quote, guys, Alex Preddy was clearly an activist agitator in this clip.

00:55:12.680 He was also disarmed before Border Patrol agents killed him.

00:55:16.060 The team's sport insistence on dragging the dead man is kind of gross at this point.

00:55:19.680 I understand pushing back against a narrative, but let the dead die.

00:55:23.620 He was responding to Mark Thiessen, who tweeted out this video with a comment.

00:55:28.200 Just an innocent nurse who was, quote, directing traffic.

00:55:31.660 I completely disagree with Eric Erickson on this, and I know you do, too.

00:55:35.900 It's not a team sport insistence on dragging the dead man.

00:55:39.540 It is a battle right now for actual facts, which are being spun by the left into fiction.

00:55:48.040 And those of us on team reality understand perfectly well what this guy was.

00:55:53.200 And most of us, I've seen you as well this week, even before this second video came, understood exactly what we were dealing with even before this video.

00:56:01.820 But this just confirms it.

00:56:04.140 Yeah.

00:56:05.220 Yeah, I mean, Eric Erickson's been in this game a long time.

00:56:07.120 I don't know why he's still falling for left-wing agitprop, because that was obviously what this is.

00:56:10.920 I think, you know, if you're actually trying to take a sort of grand view of what's happening, it's sort of the importation of Palestinian politics into the United States, right?

00:56:20.340 Like, this is instead of Pallywood, this is now Miniwood.

00:56:23.560 It's the, you know, the creation, the agitation by lawless elements against the legitimate authorities of law enforcement to try and create a propaganda spectacle that can be used to delegitimize the legitimate forces of government and legitimate law enforcement.

00:56:41.500 So that's all we're seeing here.

00:56:42.800 And so what I don't get – I mean, how does Eric Erickson not see that?

00:56:46.140 And there is one really interesting thing, I think, about what that video – the old video kind of reveals about the new one.

00:56:52.340 The old video shows that this guy is an unhinged, violent lunatic against ICE agents.

00:56:57.000 So go back to the new one.

00:56:58.120 Yes, full of anger.

00:56:59.360 Right, right.

00:57:00.020 So go back to the one where he was shot.

00:57:02.300 What was he doing at the very beginning of this video?

00:57:04.360 He was directing traffic.

00:57:06.260 What's he doing when he's directing traffic?

00:57:08.000 Well, exactly.

00:57:09.420 Well, it's kind of colored by the fact that we now know this guy's an unhinged, violent lunatic attacking ICE agents.

00:57:14.480 He's directing an obstruction of ICE affairs.

00:57:17.220 So, again, the whole – there's this idea that somehow the ICE officers instigated this with Alex Preddy.

00:57:22.220 No.

00:57:22.780 Preddy and his agitator colleagues instigated a felony violation of 18 U.S.C. 111.

00:57:28.780 They were actively, intentionally obstructing a law enforcement operation that kicked off this whole thing.

00:57:33.580 And then a slew of other, you know, essentially terribly poor – a slew of examples of terribly poor judgment created the circumstances in which another officer likely felt and reasonably felt that either his life was in danger or somebody else's life was in danger.

00:57:50.800 I mean, that's the thing.

00:57:51.700 Well, he – it's right there on the tape.

00:57:54.540 He wanted to be attacked.

00:57:56.960 He repeatedly worked to create circumstances where he would be attacked.

00:58:03.620 He did that while armed with a loaded gun he knew would raise the fear levels and the perceived threat levels by any officer with whom he came into contact.

00:58:15.560 And then on top of that, once he got his wish and got attacked, he resisted the arrest both times.

00:58:23.160 I mean, it's almost turning into a suicide by cop situation.

00:58:26.800 I mean, like, if you wanted to die at the hands of a law enforcement officer, this would definitely be an avenue you could consider.

00:58:34.120 Right.

00:58:34.640 And you see, like, you know, the beavis and butthead of progressive commentary, people like Tim Miller and Jon Favreau continuously saying things like, oh, he didn't deserve this.

00:58:43.420 This was an unjust punishment.

00:58:45.160 He didn't deserve to be executed.

00:58:47.100 And it's just – it's a complete category error.

00:58:49.480 It's not even wrong.

00:58:50.700 It's just – it's – you're not even thinking about this in the right way from conception because punishment happens through the judicial system.

00:58:58.480 Punishment is what would have happened had this guy submitted to arrest.

00:59:01.280 This was lawful self-defense and defense of others.

00:59:03.880 So it's all about the individual rights of the person.

00:59:06.920 And so when we talk about the actions of Preddy as flawed, we're not saying that the shooting was punishment for those actions.

00:59:14.240 Rather, we are saying they were reckless actions that created the risk of death in an encounter with law enforcement in the same way that you wouldn't say somebody is, like, deserves to be punished when they die from playing Russian roulette or crossing eight lanes of traffic.

00:59:29.060 They just took a reckless risk and got unlucky.

00:59:33.120 Right.

00:59:33.800 I mean it's not – it's not unlike the Michael Brown situation in Ferguson, Missouri where he assaulted an officer and then he charged the officer and that's why he got shot and killed.

00:59:42.940 No one's like, he deserved to die.

00:59:46.160 It's like – no, no one's saying that, like, the final punishment for an assault was him getting shot.

00:59:52.500 It's – the question is not did he deserve it.

00:59:54.360 The question is was the officer justified in responding the way he did given the threat that was created by the other person?

01:00:00.000 That's exactly the analysis here and it's only these leftists who want to spin it into deserved or didn't, you know, and now, as you point out, they want to skinny that aperture down to just like, oh, well, you know, you can't even take into consideration his prior bad behavior.

01:00:15.160 You can.

01:00:15.740 And to me, the thing that's the most telling is how angry he is.

01:00:18.660 He was so torqued up in that earlier video.

01:00:22.740 I mean if you haven't seen it, members of the audience, you've got to go back and look at it online.

01:00:25.860 And, you know, we started the second hour with it.

01:00:27.580 We started the first hour with it.

01:00:30.040 He is rageful, Will, and that would translate into his next physical confrontation with those officers.

01:00:38.620 They can feel the amount of rage in a body that's resisting them.

01:00:43.680 It amps up everybody's tensions and stress and alert levels.

01:00:48.780 Like, he truly is the one who created all of the tempers and the worries and the fears among the officers who had to deal with him this past Saturday, none of which gets factored in by the left.

01:01:00.280 Yeah, I think there's only one real legitimate critique of federal law enforcement here.

01:01:06.200 It's that they failed to take him into custody during that first assault.

01:01:09.340 You know, you can actually make a legitimate argument that that failure may have led to his death because it didn't, you know, give him a 24-hour cooling-off period and lock-up to think about his actions and maybe change course.

01:01:20.700 And certainly what he did in that earlier video is certainly deserving of immediate detention.

01:01:26.000 The guy's a danger to the community based on that conduct.

01:01:28.140 You don't just go around kicking law enforcement officers and demanding they assault you.

01:01:31.720 That's, you know, at a minimum, it's like a mental health issue that perhaps you need to get examined for.

01:01:36.740 So none of this is—none of this looks good for him.

01:01:40.540 And I guess, again, suicide by cop seems right.

01:01:42.280 The guy's showing up with a gun to aggressively confront law enforcement without ID.

01:01:49.380 And maybe he—apparently he scrubbed his social media, too.

01:01:51.860 Like, really?

01:01:53.480 I mean, maybe this is suicide by cop.

01:01:54.840 Maybe that's what this is.

01:01:56.340 Honestly, like, that's what occurred to me because, like, if you wanted to do it and make yourself a martyr, you'd play it out exactly this way.

01:02:05.880 I mean, exactly this way.

01:02:07.220 Although, I think you would have tried to reach for your gun more explicitly, you know, but he was being held down by the officers.

01:02:14.380 I don't know.

01:02:14.820 But this was extremely reckless behavior by him.

01:02:17.220 And the reason the prior video is relevant is it does give us a window into how—I mean, truly, this guy was not stable.

01:02:23.960 37 years old, not married, no kids, working as a nurse, not getting a bunch of accounts from friends and so on.

01:02:31.500 I'm not sure exactly who Alex Preddy really was, which is why all week I have—I've been hitting Noam on saying that, you know, he was brandishing his gun and he was actively—he went there to kill law enforcement.

01:02:43.020 But I have not hit her on the domestic terrorist thing because I've been saying to the audience, that we don't know, actually.

01:02:49.660 Let's find out more about Alex Preddy.

01:02:51.400 And sure enough, the more we learn, the more we learn this guy was a terrorist of sorts.

01:02:55.980 He was terrorizing ICE.

01:02:57.400 Would you consider somebody a domestic terrorist who had spat on you, who had kicked out the taillight of your car, who was screaming in your face, motherfucker?

01:03:04.500 Fucking attack me, who resisted arrest when you try to affect it twice?

01:03:09.460 Yeah, I would.

01:03:11.240 But here's the narrative we've been getting all week.

01:03:13.220 All right, let's go.

01:03:13.800 This one went viral.

01:03:14.620 They said it—somebody took this video of Elizabeth Warren and said it to his outburst.

01:03:21.220 I'm just going to show you the original Elizabeth Warren video from the Senate floor, trying to read testimonials about this guy.

01:03:27.520 Alex was an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA Hospital, a nurse for veterans.

01:03:34.700 He was a son, a brother, a friend, a caretaker.

01:03:40.120 And he was killed while he was trying to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground by a federal agent.

01:03:46.980 17 days earlier, ICE agent shot and killed Renee Good, a 37-year-old American citizen and mom, dropping off her kid at school.

01:03:58.400 She had stuffed animals in her glove compartment.

01:04:02.340 Her last words on this earth were, I'm not mad at you.

01:04:08.080 ICE agents detained Liam, a five-year-old boy who was literally ripped off the streets by the strap of his Spider-Man backpack, a preschooler.

01:04:21.640 The amount of, like, propaganda disinformation in that clip, well, it's stunning.

01:04:28.900 You could spend half an hour analyzing that two minutes, honestly.

01:04:32.880 I mean, I'm just reminded again of that ridiculous claim about how, because the last words you said were, I'm not mad at you, as though you needed to take those literally.

01:04:40.480 Any heterosexual male knows that you are making a grave error if you take those words literally from your partner.

01:04:46.480 Just a grave, grave mistake.

01:04:48.460 Nothing.

01:04:49.020 Right.

01:04:49.300 There's nothing wrong.

01:04:49.760 I'm not mad at you.

01:04:50.820 Yeah.

01:04:51.160 Are you upset?

01:04:52.020 No.

01:04:52.440 No.

01:04:53.040 Uh-huh.

01:04:53.920 Yeah.

01:04:54.340 Okay.

01:04:54.660 Cool.

01:04:55.280 Great.

01:04:55.680 Okay, so we're good.

01:04:56.340 I'm going out with the buddies.

01:04:57.960 Right, yeah.

01:04:58.640 I'm sure that's exactly what she wants you to do.

01:05:00.220 Yeah.

01:05:00.740 Yeah.

01:05:01.160 Straight men know better.

01:05:02.440 I remember, like—

01:05:03.440 You're so right.

01:05:04.180 No, but all of it, right?

01:05:05.040 Tim Miller was making this claim, and that's when I knew he was gay.

01:05:08.520 So.

01:05:10.120 All of it.

01:05:10.640 I mean, like, it's such obvious propaganda, and now we see, you know, the truth about him.

01:05:14.860 And the media, you know, we talked about yesterday or two days ago the MSNBC clip that tried to make him look hotter than he was, Alex Freddie.

01:05:21.360 Gave him more hair, gave him a tan, changed the shape of his nose, fixed his teeth, lightened them as well.

01:05:26.820 It made his bicep bigger.

01:05:28.700 Absurd.

01:05:29.060 Dick Durbin also used the doctored photo to try to make him look good.

01:05:34.260 Here's that.

01:05:35.460 This photo shows the last second before the ICE agent killed Alex Freddie on the streets of Minneapolis.

01:05:43.060 And his right hand is his camera, left hand holding the ground, no gun, obvious, no effort to resist, obvious.

01:05:55.560 This was a moment when this man lost his life.

01:05:59.500 He was characterized afterwards as an assassin, a domestic terrorist.

01:06:06.700 The photo tells the story.

01:06:08.320 OK, the only problem with that photo that he's showing for listening audience, it's Alex Freddie in the hands of law enforcement with one law enforcement officer with a revolver right up against his head or right right by Alex's head.

01:06:21.100 Is that it's completely made up?

01:06:23.560 It's AI.

01:06:24.580 And will, care to tell the audience how we know it's AI?

01:06:27.920 Well, because there's another law enforcement officer that's apparently headless, which is an impressive feat for, you know, ICE is capable of many impressive feats.

01:06:36.800 But I don't think conducting law enforcement operations without a head attached is one of them.

01:06:42.080 Yeah, I mean, Dick Durbin's well past his, you know, his best days at this point.

01:06:48.580 He's well past his prime.

01:06:50.340 Yeah.

01:06:50.600 That was actually obvious to me when I, you know, had a Judiciary Committee conversation with him a few weeks ago.

01:06:55.740 And he wasn't able to just handle the fact that he had this whole gotcha line of questioning against me.

01:07:00.820 And then I just answered one of the questions in a way he didn't anticipate.

01:07:03.980 And then he never changed his line of questioning and nothing made any sense.

01:07:06.980 He couldn't.

01:07:07.680 He wasn't nimble enough.

01:07:08.880 You could tell it.

01:07:09.420 No, not anymore.

01:07:10.000 You could kind of hear he's a little unsteady now.

01:07:12.320 It's like they all stay forever.

01:07:14.340 We really do need term limits of some sort.

01:07:16.320 I don't know.

01:07:16.720 It's not good for us.

01:07:18.140 But yeah, so there are those two.

01:07:20.160 You got CNN or MSNBC relying on doctored photos.

01:07:23.340 They've now taken it down after our report the other day.

01:07:26.620 You've got Dick Durbin showing a headless Border Patrol agent as part of an execution, what looks like an execution of Alex Preddy.

01:07:35.480 All false.

01:07:36.780 And then you've got this performative outrage.

01:07:38.680 Which we talked about with the celebrities.

01:07:40.160 This one just came in.

01:07:41.700 Here's Lady Gaga in Japan, which you cannot get into.

01:07:47.740 If you want to be an illegal immigrant sneaking into Japan, good luck.

01:07:52.120 But here she is lecturing the Japanese about ice.

01:07:55.940 I want to take a second to talk about something that's extremely important to me.

01:08:03.280 Something important to people all over the world, and especially in America right now.

01:08:11.080 In a couple of days, I'm going to be heading home, and my heart is aching thinking about the people, the children, the families all over America who are being mercilessly targeted by ice.

01:08:31.700 I'm thinking about all of their pain and how their lives are being destroyed right in front of us.

01:08:43.580 I'm also thinking about Minnesota and everyone back at home who is living in so much fear and searching for answers on what we all should do.

01:08:58.000 When entire communities lose their sense of safety and belonging, it breaks something in all of us.

01:09:10.020 That's true.

01:09:11.140 That's what's happening to us from these illegals.

01:09:13.200 She's such a good person.

01:09:19.920 She's such a good person, Will.

01:09:21.300 And she's really happy to take a moment out of her world tour in Japan, all dangled up with her bangles and her wig, to tell us that she cares.

01:09:30.560 When she goes home, it'll be to her Malibu mansion that's $22.5 million.

01:09:34.460 It's her primary residence.

01:09:35.720 It's a Tuscan villa-style home.

01:09:37.640 Sits on nearly six acres across from the beach.

01:09:40.720 I mean, it's great to get six acres in Malibu on the water.

01:09:44.460 That's a wonderful privilege.

01:09:46.760 This is her on vacation someplace showing us her ass.

01:09:49.940 Her house has at least five bedrooms, seven baths, an open floor plan with exposed wood beam ceilings and a primary suite with its own private terrace.

01:09:57.600 Amenities include a wine cellar, home theater, wet bar, horse barn, and perhaps most unexpectedly, a 1960s-era bowling alley.

01:10:05.980 That'll be super fun.

01:10:06.760 She should have some of these illegals over to enjoy it with her.

01:10:09.780 She also has a team of bodyguards, Will.

01:10:13.120 One is so famous for always being with her that her fans know the guy as Pete, and they will shout out to Pete, Pete, this, that, the other thing.

01:10:23.260 So Lady Gaga, she doesn't have to worry.

01:10:25.800 There he is defending her at her concerts.

01:10:28.560 Lady Gaga does not have to worry the way Kayla Hamilton did when she was in her mobile home about getting attacked by a gang member of Trenda Aragua here from some other country who will murder her as his fifth victim.

01:10:46.620 She's good.

01:10:47.140 She just wants to sit and feel virtuous in Japan where they let no one in.

01:10:51.600 Right.

01:10:53.080 This is all very Hunger Games and the behavior of the Capitol in the idea that, you know, what is their primary concern here?

01:10:59.760 Well, it's the welfare of their illegal under-the-table servants.

01:11:04.420 And, you know, maybe I don't think normal Americans think very much of that.

01:11:07.620 I also think, I mean, you brought up Giancarlo Esposito and his talk of revolution.

01:11:11.720 I have no—these people are—these people's political sophistication is just at the floor.

01:11:16.860 They haven't thought through the consequences of what they're talking about.

01:11:19.800 I mean, it certainly wouldn't be good for Giancarlo's house for there to be a revolution.

01:11:23.220 Shouldn't we—wouldn't be good for any of these people.

01:11:25.140 It would be an extremely violent thing.

01:11:27.840 And yet there's just this new sort of—it's almost like the left simply cannot tolerate the idea of the right wing controlling the federal government.

01:11:38.700 That it's—that that idea is fundamentally illegitimate.

01:11:41.040 And that if the right wing attempts to exercise power, we're enforcing laws that have been on the books for 30 years.

01:11:46.660 We're sticking with the law very, very closely.

01:11:49.380 And not only are they supporting this basically a domestic insurrection in Minneapolis, and then they're saying that if Republicans don't go along with it, well, we need to have a revolution and overthrow the government.

01:12:01.420 Like, you guys really—you guys really want that?

01:12:04.240 I mean, and it reminds me also—you must have covered this at some point where it's Galloway and Kara Swisher talking about Nuremberg trials.

01:12:12.340 Yes.

01:12:12.760 With unbelievable—you know, and those people are political commentators.

01:12:15.680 That's an—you know, I'll give actors a pass for being sort of ignorant, this not being their area of expertise.

01:12:20.340 Galloway and Swisher have no such excuse.

01:12:22.320 You know, they're political commentators.

01:12:24.200 You're threatening Nuremberg trials?

01:12:25.840 Like, the federal government is run by Nazis?

01:12:28.500 Should we beat you to it?

01:12:30.020 Right?

01:12:30.300 Like, what are you suggesting here?

01:12:32.180 You know, I mean, do you think we'll just passively allow ourselves to be executed?

01:12:36.220 No.

01:12:36.940 So maybe you should tone it down a little bit.

01:12:39.360 Unless you actually decide you want to launch something and open a Pandora's box that really can't be closed.

01:12:43.900 And they mean it.

01:12:46.060 I mean, you could tell they were doubling and tripling down in that conversation.

01:12:49.300 They really do want those Nuremberg trials.

01:12:51.360 Like, they were all for it.

01:12:53.880 Then you've got this guy.

01:12:55.920 I mean, he's not totally relevant to our discussion, but I have to put him on the air.

01:13:00.640 He's a BBC presenter.

01:13:03.360 I don't know if you saw this online.

01:13:04.360 He's a presenter, which means news anchor, over across the pond.

01:13:09.500 And he has decided—hold on a second.

01:13:11.520 Let me get his name because nobody knows who he is.

01:13:13.140 Giles Corrin, C-O-R-E-N.

01:13:15.280 He has decided, sadly, well, he will not be coming to the United States as previously planned for his family vacation.

01:13:22.700 Listen.

01:13:22.900 And we had this holiday coming up, and I was quite excited to go.

01:13:28.580 And then I just—this thing happened with Minneapolis.

01:13:32.000 I love America.

01:13:33.040 In the Bush years, everyone, all my liberal friends are going, oh, it's so terrible, Bush.

01:13:37.420 I'm going, no, the Americans, they're great.

01:13:39.120 It's OK when you're there.

01:13:40.000 And then the second shooting, the Saturday, I literally went online and I just cancelled.

01:13:45.980 I lose about 150 quid in taxes.

01:13:48.320 I just cancelled it.

01:13:49.120 I thought, I'm not going there.

01:13:50.260 They've got half-trained goons packing, walking the streets of blue state, liberal cities like Minneapolis.

01:13:57.760 And you say the wrong thing, and you end up being shot six times in the back of the head while pinned to the floor.

01:14:03.160 You know, I wasn't planning to get in the way of any ICE agents, but you never know what's going to happen.

01:14:08.300 And I just thought, I cannot put my family in the way of this lunatic, militarised state in chaos.

01:14:14.780 Fear of it happening to me.

01:14:16.060 Genuine, literally, fear.

01:14:17.760 I don't like going to a country with a death penalty.

01:14:20.080 I don't approve of it.

01:14:20.880 And if you go to a place where the state kills its citizens, it could happen to you.

01:14:24.680 I wouldn't fancy Saudi.

01:14:25.920 I wouldn't fancy Iran, you know.

01:14:27.400 Now the state is killing its citizens and then saying, yeah, but he was carrying a gun.

01:14:32.120 And you're going, but I thought that was legal.

01:14:33.740 I literally, literally, genuinely now believe it's tipped the balance into being too dangerous to go because you'll probably get killed.

01:14:42.640 Can't come to America because it's too dangerous.

01:14:45.720 By the way, a guy on Twitter named Ike Ilja points out that Giles Corrin, not too long ago, apparently, went on holiday with his family to Oman.

01:14:56.880 In Oman, homosexuality is illegal.

01:15:02.920 Marital rape and domestic abuse, totally legal.

01:15:06.920 An estimated 33,000 people, mainly migrants, are trapped in legalized modern slavery.

01:15:12.820 But he's totally fine going to Oman.

01:15:16.300 He just can't come to the United States.

01:15:18.040 And I guess he thinks some of us are going to shed a tear over this, Will.

01:15:21.220 Yeah, I mean, first off, like, your vacation plans, were they to go to Minneapolis in the middle of winter?

01:15:26.460 I've got a lot better locations you could go to.

01:15:29.040 It's really unpleasant.

01:15:30.260 It's remarkable that you have, you know, all this shows you how much the protesters really aren't just being paid, that they really deeply believe what they're doing because it's so cold that if they didn't deeply believe it, they wouldn't do it.

01:15:40.180 That's true.

01:15:40.400 Yeah, this guy's just got this, you know, bizarre cartoon version of the United States in his head, complete lack of understanding of how American law works.

01:15:48.860 I noticed this with Piers Morgan, too, and I don't think Piers is this out there.

01:15:52.840 But the Brits have real trouble understanding the dynamics of police and citizen interactions in a world where people own guns.

01:16:01.340 I think they really struggle with it.

01:16:02.600 It's not something – they're used to both American citizens not owning guns and police officers not carrying guns.

01:16:07.220 So, it's just – they're completely fish out of water when they talk about what's going on in the United States.

01:16:12.560 Yeah, British citizens can't carry and neither can their cops.

01:16:16.380 Yeah, so it's just sort of – they just look at this and are horrified.

01:16:19.640 They don't understand.

01:16:21.160 And, you know, well, we have a Second Amendment here.

01:16:23.420 I think I speak for every American when I say, thank you.

01:16:27.220 Stay where you are.

01:16:28.180 Perfect.

01:16:28.860 Everybody will be a lot happier.

01:16:30.500 All right, now let me talk to you because you are a very smart lawyer about two things.

01:16:34.360 Number one, what's your take on the Homan presser this morning?

01:16:39.400 You know, my take – I don't know if you heard any of it, but it was basically – it doesn't really feel like a win.

01:16:43.780 It feels like a cave.

01:16:45.020 We're thinking that we may have cut into their sanctuary policies a little, but we didn't hear the mayor of Minneapolis say that.

01:16:52.100 We just heard Keith Ellison say it.

01:16:53.520 And we're no longer going to be going after regular illegals, though Tom Homan kind of said, well, if we see them, you know, we will.

01:16:59.680 But, like, we're just focusing on the actual criminals, the ones who committed additional crimes.

01:17:05.280 To me, that seems like a small sliver from where we need to be.

01:17:09.640 And then secondly, I'm going to ask you about the church prosecution.

01:17:12.180 So let's start on point one.

01:17:14.160 So Homan, I don't actually think he's making any concessions here because I think the actual policy, what ICE has been doing, is prioritizing criminal aliens first.

01:17:26.060 And then eventually they'll get around to the rest of illegal aliens.

01:17:28.700 So when he's saying that's what we're doing, it's just a continuation of what we're doing.

01:17:32.580 So he's – I don't think they've made any concessions.

01:17:34.560 I don't think they're doing anything – any concessions substantively other than appearance.

01:17:39.120 Like you said, you wanted Bovino to be out of the state.

01:17:41.420 Okay, he's out of the state.

01:17:43.000 And the real – I think the win here is the reason there has to be so much federal presence, so much of a federal presence in Minneapolis is because local authorities have been cooperating.

01:17:52.760 So they not only need to be doing the immigration operations, they need to be having additional enforcement to protect those operations as they're ongoing.

01:18:00.080 If Minneapolis is going to start policing the rioters, they don't need as many people.

01:18:03.120 So I don't – I think that, you know, that said, I don't think Minnesota has made much in the way of concessions either.

01:18:09.440 But Minnesota is in a much different position.

01:18:12.220 I mean we're the federal government.

01:18:13.420 We have – under the Constitution, the federal government is supreme.

01:18:16.260 Minnesota can't meaningfully resist us.

01:18:17.780 The only thing they can do is refuse to cooperate.

01:18:19.900 But as long as we have all the resources we need as a result of the one big beautiful bill, we will continue to do what we're doing.

01:18:26.560 And I've seen a lot of –

01:18:28.300 Maybe.

01:18:29.220 He's talking about drawing down.

01:18:30.460 Holman says explicitly, yes, we'll be drawing down the forces.

01:18:35.020 My bet is that unless there is much more meaningful cooperation from Minnesota state and local authorities, I don't think you'll see anything – much of anything change.

01:18:45.260 And in fact, even if they do cooperate, I don't think you'll see the ICE operations themselves change in a meaningful way.

01:18:49.720 I hope you're right because, I mean, we have a lot to get out and this is teaspoons in the ocean if we limit it to just the ones who are in the jail who have committed additional crimes.

01:18:58.040 Quickly before you go, today we have reason to believe that our DOJ may be in front of a grand jury in Minneapolis trying to get indictments for Don Lemon, his producer,

01:19:08.320 and I think three others at least, who terrorized those churchgoers two Sundays ago.

01:19:14.920 Now it's a grand jury instead of a judge, a magistrate judge who's compromised and has a conflict of interest.

01:19:20.020 How do you like their chances?

01:19:22.240 I think they'll do well.

01:19:23.540 I think – I mean, the thing about federal grand juries is they're taking from a larger pool of people than just the people in the city of Minneapolis.

01:19:29.800 And the criminal activity here is really pretty brazen, pretty obvious.

01:19:34.560 So, you know, if they can, it really says something about the nature of the Minneapolis grand juries.

01:19:40.720 D.C. has always been this weird outlier because, you know, it's votes 95 percent Democratic,

01:19:44.420 so getting grand jury indictments there against Democrats is almost impossible.

01:19:48.000 But I don't think that's Minnesota, and so I suspect that DOJ will succeed here.

01:19:52.680 We could close out the day today with an announcement that Don Lemon is under arrest with a perp walk.

01:19:58.220 That'd be interesting.

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01:20:01.640 Thank you for being here.

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01:22:56.180 Hey, everyone. It's me, Megyn Kelly.

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01:23:31.680 Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show.

01:23:33.580 Joining me now is a consumer fraud attorney who spent the last four years

01:23:37.760 working for Tish James in the New York State Attorney General's office.

01:23:42.560 Glenna Goldis, in addition to being a lawyer, has been researching transgender medicine

01:23:47.460 and discovering the disturbing and irreversible harms it causes children.

01:23:52.140 As she learned more about this madness, she began writing about it

01:23:55.780 on her Substack blog called Bad Facts, and then she lost her job.

01:24:02.860 She's here today to tell her story exclusively on camera to our audience.

01:24:07.000 Glenna, welcome to the show.

01:24:08.980 Thanks for having me, Megyn.

01:24:10.960 Okay, so how long did you work in the AG's office?

01:24:15.020 Four years.

01:24:15.760 And you, how did, like, the whole issue of the transgender and pediatric medicine

01:24:23.260 in particular come onto your radar?

01:24:26.200 Well, for a while, if we're talking four years ago, I was just following it casually

01:24:29.800 like a lot of people do, you know, catching news stories about it, reading more and more.

01:24:34.780 My friends were starting to ask questions, friends who had kids.

01:24:37.600 Like, we were having these whispered conversations of,

01:24:40.440 what is transgender and why are kids being taught that they have a gender identity?

01:24:44.640 So I just dug in more, and as I got involved, I started reading.

01:24:50.460 I got to a point where I really wanted to understand the other side because I knew all

01:24:55.920 the problems with gender medicine, and I said, I need to understand the other side because

01:24:59.040 I'm a lawyer.

01:24:59.620 So what is the best case for it?

01:25:01.180 And I started trying to build it by reading what the gender doctors said themselves, what

01:25:05.820 their lawyers said for them in court.

01:25:07.320 And I was just shocked at how little was there.

01:25:10.960 It was, you know, it was just a bunch of logical fallacies and broken links and statistics that

01:25:18.560 didn't turn out to be true.

01:25:20.420 Mm-hmm.

01:25:21.140 And I know that you're an out-of-the-closet lesbian.

01:25:25.460 And this, like, I, two of my friends who are in a lesbian marriage, early on I said to them,

01:25:31.740 you need to look at this.

01:25:33.380 Like, you should care about what's happening here because they're converting, they're doing

01:25:37.920 conversion therapy on young lesbian girls and young gay boys, or even just ones who aren't

01:25:48.240 lesbian or gay but are just, like, gender non-conforming.

01:25:51.320 They're, like, not allowing especially butch lesbians to just grow up to be butch lesbians.

01:25:55.800 It's like, no, you're a boy.

01:25:57.180 You have to be a boy.

01:25:57.800 So, and they didn't really take me seriously because they're, they're of the left and they

01:26:01.820 kind of rolled their eyes like, oh, this is just, like, the former Fox News host doing

01:26:04.520 her thing.

01:26:04.820 I'm like, no, I'm telling you, but this is a thing.

01:26:08.820 It is, in fact, a thing.

01:26:10.180 It's a horrible thing.

01:26:11.000 And that's what we found when you go into kind of the, when you go deep and see how this

01:26:16.000 started in America and, you know, the first gender clinic for kids was opened with Fanfare

01:26:19.680 in 2007, they were looking for kids who had played with opposite-sex toys, you know, so-called

01:26:25.660 opposite-sex toys when, when they were young and who kind of hung out with kids of the

01:26:29.800 opposite sex.

01:26:30.640 And this is highly correlated with being gay when you grow up.

01:26:33.240 You know, a lot of us remember being those kids.

01:26:35.960 And that's who was being, that was the prototype for who should be transitioned.

01:26:40.140 And, of course, the doctors frame it as, no, the kids are asking for it.

01:26:42.840 The kids are saying they're very upset if they can't have it.

01:26:45.520 Well, yeah, I mean, some kids do wish they were the opposite sex and you tell them they

01:26:49.480 can't be.

01:26:50.120 That's what you do.

01:26:50.800 You don't say, oh, well, we have some drugs that will save your life.

01:26:53.340 Exactly right.

01:26:56.460 And yet that, that all of the, the entire industry has been co-opted to say affirm, affirm, affirm,

01:27:02.240 affirm.

01:27:02.600 You tell the kid if he thinks he's actually a girl, he is.

01:27:06.020 And that you're, you're the wrongdoer if you say anything other than that, that it's conversion

01:27:09.520 therapy for you to tell a biological boy that he is a boy or a biological girl, that

01:27:15.400 she is a girl, that that's conversion therapy.

01:27:17.280 All right.

01:27:17.460 So you're in the consumer fraud department of the AG's office, but you're taking, starting

01:27:21.740 to take an interest in this and like seeing this is not great.

01:27:24.780 And I can't find the evidence to support the other side.

01:27:27.840 And then I, I understand you became concerned about a D transitioner.

01:27:33.200 You heard a D, a lesbian D transitioner on a podcast and got concerned.

01:27:37.540 Can you speak to that a bit?

01:27:39.920 Yeah, that was a turning point because I had previously seen gender medicine as being

01:27:44.360 cosmetic.

01:27:44.820 Like, so, you know, a woman takes testosterone and then she grows a beard and, you know, then

01:27:49.940 the only problem with that is that it's not reversible, the testosterone.

01:27:52.940 So if she changes her mind, she's still growing facial hair.

01:27:55.520 That's how I viewed it because I'd seen it portrayed that way in the media.

01:27:58.700 But when I was listening to this particular woman who I got to know, her name is Carol,

01:28:02.940 and she was talking about the physical harms that it caused her.

01:28:06.180 She was saying, you know, this caused severe pain in her vagina because it becomes dried up.

01:28:11.680 It's not healthy anymore.

01:28:13.660 And I was like, yikes.

01:28:15.500 That's, and she had other side effects as well that were just, you know, gruesome.

01:28:18.640 And she was, and mood issues and everything that was affecting her marriage.

01:28:23.120 And so she was saying like, you know, I never turned into a man.

01:28:26.200 I just developed a bunch of health problems.

01:28:29.060 And so that's when I saw, oh, this is not cosmetic.

01:28:31.220 This is harmful.

01:28:33.360 This is actually harmful.

01:28:34.400 So you start your blog, but you do it under a pseudonym because you're working in the

01:28:37.980 AG's office and you're like, I'm not exactly sure how this is going to play.

01:28:40.980 And then as I understand it, you did, you started to see that the AG's office was actively

01:28:46.200 against you on this issue under Tish James.

01:28:49.360 I did.

01:28:50.140 I mean, from the beginning, I, I knew they were generally in favor of the trans rights.

01:28:54.240 Like it's a big agency.

01:28:55.500 They do a lot of things.

01:28:56.400 And at first I felt like, okay, I don't have to agree with my agency on everything.

01:29:01.100 But as I got more into it and his history went on, like they got deeper in, they started

01:29:05.160 saying more things that I thought weren't accurate.

01:29:06.900 And I became more and more concerned because I was, at this point, I had friends who were

01:29:10.500 detransitioners or who were parents whose kids had been pulled into this.

01:29:14.040 And so I was seeing the harm on the ground, you know, on the weekends.

01:29:17.960 And so it became, you know, a more tense issue.

01:29:22.500 Yes.

01:29:22.960 That phrase, seeing the harm just like triggered my own process in this whole thing.

01:29:26.620 Like when I did a talking points memo a couple of years ago about how I had decided to no

01:29:31.700 longer use preferred pronouns, I began it by talking about how I used to be very supportive

01:29:36.220 of trans people and transitioning and not bullying anybody.

01:29:39.920 I still don't want them bullied, but you know, that I, my, my whole theory was I didn't see

01:29:43.940 the harm.

01:29:44.600 What's the harm in using the pronouns?

01:29:46.180 What's the harm in like talking to kids about their gender confusion and allowing that it could

01:29:50.380 be something.

01:29:51.160 And, and then you get to the point just because it's become ubiquitous where the harm is impossible

01:29:57.460 not to see it's everywhere.

01:29:59.840 And when you do see that harm, it's very hard at that point to stay silent.

01:30:03.820 So I feel for you now working for a group, it's like pushing the agenda.

01:30:08.780 And, and I, one of the trigger points for you was in February, 2025, they sent out a press

01:30:15.480 release at the age age's office, denouncing Trump's executive order, opposing pediatric gender

01:30:20.980 medicine.

01:30:21.340 And they referred to these interventions as quote, life saving.

01:30:26.300 So what, what did you do when you saw that?

01:30:29.900 I wrote an email to the press office and the chief of the civil rights bureau, because those

01:30:34.200 seemed like two places that should know this and were kind of behind it and responsible

01:30:37.720 for the press release.

01:30:39.900 How'd that go over?

01:30:41.120 Yeah.

01:30:41.680 They just didn't respond.

01:30:44.780 It was very brave of you to do it.

01:30:47.200 Oh, thank you.

01:30:47.940 I mean, I, you know, I've been a lawyer for 15 years now and I thought if somebody commented

01:30:53.080 on a press release I'd put out that said, and then they, my colleague said there's something

01:30:57.160 false in there, I would jump, you know, I would say, wait, what do you mean?

01:31:00.680 I'd look at what they sent me and I would check with my boss.

01:31:03.240 Like, oh, do we need to retract this?

01:31:04.960 You know, like that's normally a big deal in government law offices in my experience.

01:31:09.140 But they didn't because it's agenda driven.

01:31:12.880 Yeah.

01:31:13.240 That's the problem.

01:31:14.800 Okay.

01:31:15.220 So then there was another incident where a coworker of yours, this is just this past April,

01:31:20.080 was slamming girls who don't want biological boys playing in girls sports.

01:31:25.540 He was saying that they're anti-trans and you did what?

01:31:29.960 So that happens during a staff meeting with maybe 20 people.

01:31:33.300 And, and what he said was not on topic.

01:31:35.540 You know, my bureau did not handle any issues like this, but he, you know, it came up and

01:31:40.520 he had this little dig, like, you know, this anti-trans laws and referring to this one in

01:31:46.000 Long Island, actually, that my agency is involved in.

01:31:48.400 So I, you know, I didn't say anything at the time because it was close to lunchtime.

01:31:52.620 And frankly, we were always hungry at those meetings.

01:31:55.680 I didn't want to distract.

01:31:57.460 So later on I went to his office and he and I were friendly.

01:32:00.180 Like we'd gone out to lunch together.

01:32:01.640 We usually talked at happy hours.

01:32:03.560 So I went and I kind of gave him some statistics about boys who had been winning girls track

01:32:11.240 meets.

01:32:11.580 This was, you know, the springtime.

01:32:12.760 And so we've been seeing these boys headed toward state titles all across, you know,

01:32:17.100 blue states.

01:32:18.100 And I told him, you know, this is an important issue.

01:32:20.040 It's not just anti-trans to support these laws.

01:32:21.980 It's pro girls because they're not able to win anymore in sports.

01:32:25.360 It's important.

01:32:26.040 And he immediately was, you know, he, he was emotional and he, you know, at first he

01:32:34.380 somehow thought that I was going to report him to our boss, which obviously I was not.

01:32:38.440 And so that was confusing.

01:32:40.940 But then finally he was like, I have the position of the office, so I'm not going to get in

01:32:44.220 trouble basically.

01:32:45.100 And I was like, that's fine.

01:32:45.840 I didn't want anyone to get in trouble.

01:32:47.640 I just thought we would kind of debate this because, because we're friends and we're lawyers,

01:32:51.020 but that is not how it went.

01:32:53.300 And he, you know, he acted like I'd done something wrong by coming to speak with him.

01:32:57.220 And he said, if you say one more word about this to me, I'm calling HR.

01:33:02.340 And I was like, okay, sure.

01:33:05.360 And then I don't know whether, yeah, I can't say for sure whether he did, but timing wise,

01:33:09.700 it was a few weeks later that I got an email from the general counsel's office.

01:33:13.680 About your blog, which had been under a pseudonym, but suddenly they're like, you know what?

01:33:17.500 This is probably not consistent with office policy.

01:33:20.720 Well, and actually at that point it was under my real name.

01:33:22.580 So I had switched like the previous October.

01:33:25.100 Yeah.

01:33:25.240 So you could Google me and find it at that point.

01:33:27.380 But they hadn't up until then.

01:33:30.800 Yeah.

01:33:32.340 So now they don't want you to be able to say your position on an important issue,

01:33:36.660 especially within the LGBT community outside of the office.

01:33:40.320 And is that normal that you like, can lawyers normally not say how they feel about any dicey

01:33:45.640 issue, you know, on a blog or in an interview or, you know, in any public way?

01:33:49.940 Well, there's two issues, whether lawyers can say anything that contradicts their firm and

01:33:55.360 whether government employees can.

01:33:57.440 And so the question turned on, and yes, lawyers can share their opinions generally.

01:34:02.440 And as a government lawyer, as a government employee, yeah, generally we have First Amendment

01:34:06.640 rights and they can be a little bit restricted.

01:34:09.660 There's a balancing test that the office has to go through.

01:34:12.040 This is based on Supreme Court precedent, including a case called Pickering.

01:34:15.080 But, you know, I had looked at that case law and I thought that I was on the right side

01:34:18.740 of it, because if you're speaking on an issue of public concern, then that weighs heavily

01:34:23.000 in your favor.

01:34:24.200 And it wasn't disrupting the daily activities of the office, which was the standard.

01:34:29.760 Okay.

01:34:30.220 So you decide you're going to go ahead, you're going to keep posting, but this would not

01:34:34.940 be the end of your trouble within the AG's office, because now I think you've been

01:34:40.020 marked as a troublemaker who does not support the trans agenda of the Letitia James AG's

01:34:45.800 office.

01:34:46.060 Because you tell me, Glenna, but it seems like from that point to the point where you

01:34:50.540 lost your job, they stayed on you, creating additional roadblocks, pushing you for more

01:34:56.560 information.

01:34:57.280 They were kind of bullying you from my vantage point.

01:35:01.040 Well, there were certain moments when they did, but they would also disappear for a while.

01:35:04.460 So and this is where it comes in that this is just a giant bureaucracy, right?

01:35:07.940 So actually, at that point, if we're still in the spring, they took a long time to get

01:35:11.900 back to me about the blog.

01:35:13.360 So they weren't saying you can't do it, but they were like kind of trying to make me nervous

01:35:16.820 and I was posting anyway.

01:35:20.780 But yeah, I did run into them because they had told me I had to file these requests every

01:35:24.920 time I wanted to speak outside of work.

01:35:27.100 You know, we had this very broad policy about a speech outside the office, which again, I

01:35:32.400 suspected was unconstitutional.

01:35:34.200 But finally, I said, okay, yeah, I said, okay, I like filing these requests to speak.

01:35:37.840 Because it's my opportunity to tell you guys what I'm doing and stand up for it and remind

01:35:43.220 you that this is an important issue you should be looking at from both sides.

01:35:48.200 So I did that.

01:35:49.500 And in June, I followed their direction.

01:35:51.620 I was invited to speak at the Federal Trade Commission.

01:35:56.340 They were holding an event in July about this very subject of pediatric gender medicine and

01:36:01.120 whether it might be harming kids, whether it could be a fraud.

01:36:03.800 So they invited me to speak.

01:36:04.900 I was very excited about that.

01:36:06.540 And I filed a request with the office to do so.

01:36:10.780 And what happened?

01:36:13.120 Well, it was denied.

01:36:14.420 So it got as far as, you know, there's a long chain of command.

01:36:16.480 So it only went up as far as my bosses and my bureau.

01:36:20.000 And they said no, because the FTC's work is similar to the work I did for the AG.

01:36:25.380 And I said, well, I'd really like to go.

01:36:27.980 So, you know, is there a way I can appeal this decision?

01:36:30.900 And at this point, I don't blame them for not having like a legal citation because it

01:36:34.600 wasn't their job to know the First Amendment.

01:36:36.340 But I said, I'd like to talk to somebody whose job it is to know my First Amendment rights

01:36:40.260 and to make sure the agency is respecting them.

01:36:42.440 So like, who can I talk to?

01:36:44.080 And, you know, there was some back and forth, but it came down to like, well, nobody, like

01:36:47.740 you can't appeal.

01:36:48.300 And I said, well, what usually happens when somebody objects to being censored?

01:36:54.320 And my bosses, who had decades of experience in the office between them going back to the

01:36:58.100 80s, they said, well, this has never happened before.

01:37:01.680 And I don't know how long the policy's been in place, but it was, that was quite an impasse.

01:37:07.060 Okay, well, I mean, I've looked at the law and I think I'm good.

01:37:11.760 And it was just impossible to break through.

01:37:14.920 And at some point, this was an in-person meeting, which I had asked for at this point.

01:37:19.160 And I said, and they had mentioned, by the way, that higher ups had examined this issue.

01:37:24.160 They knew about my request.

01:37:25.220 So people close to the attorney general.

01:37:27.000 And I said, well, hey, I'm a consumer fraud attorney in this office.

01:37:30.360 And I am saying that pediatric gender medicine might be a consumer fraud.

01:37:34.540 Does anyone care?

01:37:36.860 And it seems like they were, and again, I like, I'm sorry for my bosses that they're in

01:37:42.320 this weird position now, but they had, it was just awkward.

01:37:45.520 Like, I don't think that anybody had.

01:37:50.840 Yeah.

01:37:51.320 They didn't care.

01:37:52.020 I mean, honestly, like what my, you tell me because you're on the inside, but my impression

01:37:55.380 has been virtually every authority is either actively part of the lie or is remaining silent

01:38:01.780 about it and being complicit about the lie because they don't want their, I don't know,

01:38:06.920 good person card taken away, which, you know, the left says requires you to affirm that this

01:38:12.700 is all real.

01:38:14.980 Yeah.

01:38:15.420 It's not just a good person card.

01:38:16.720 You get defunded.

01:38:17.520 If you're a nonprofit, you can get canceled, all that sort of thing.

01:38:20.320 So, yeah.

01:38:21.980 Mm-hmm.

01:38:22.480 So it's not just Tish James enforcing this within the office.

01:38:25.840 It's her emissaries.

01:38:27.100 It's the next layer down management.

01:38:29.260 Like, this is the way we feel about it.

01:38:30.940 And you're not going to be allowed to say if you don't, if you disagree, you can't speak

01:38:34.740 up, even if it's literally your job to stop a massive fraud and you think you've stumbled

01:38:38.920 upon one.

01:38:39.540 The answer is no, you're not allowed to say that.

01:38:42.320 Well, you could say it inside the office and be ignored and possibly yelled at by a colleague,

01:38:46.240 but you could not say it outside of the office because they said that was inconsistent with

01:38:49.480 her legal position.

01:38:51.160 Wow.

01:38:51.640 So she's not going to listen to you internally.

01:38:53.320 She's not going to accept a debate.

01:38:54.800 She's actually not even going to hear you out.

01:38:56.360 She's just made up her mind and that's going to be the position of the office.

01:39:00.920 So how did it ultimately culminate in you losing your job?

01:39:05.920 So there was some back and forth about the FTC and I did go speak at the FTC in July.

01:39:10.180 And then we had meetings about it where we talked around in circles and did not get to

01:39:14.540 address the merits of the issue of pediatric gender medicine.

01:39:18.040 There were some letters and memos and then it was quiet for several months.

01:39:21.700 I didn't hear for them.

01:39:22.620 I kept posting.

01:39:24.460 I kept talking to journalists.

01:39:26.720 And then suddenly in January, just earlier this month, I suddenly got an email from the

01:39:32.420 ethics council.

01:39:33.540 So this is a kind of new figure here.

01:39:36.640 And he said that he'd heard that I was planning to speak on an X space later that night.

01:39:40.860 It's just a couple hours away because, you know, we'd done little promotional tweets about

01:39:44.780 it.

01:39:44.960 So we were going to talk about the upcoming case, BPJ, which was about girls sports that

01:39:49.060 was argued for the Supreme Court.

01:39:50.840 This was a preview I was doing hosted by the Democrats for an informed approach to gender,

01:39:55.380 DIAG.

01:39:56.460 And the ethics council said, you can't do that.

01:39:58.360 You don't have permission.

01:39:59.200 That's unapproved.

01:40:00.160 You can get in trouble if you speak on that X space.

01:40:04.860 Yeah.

01:40:05.220 So I spoke on the X space.

01:40:06.620 Next thing, you did it.

01:40:08.180 Yeah.

01:40:08.340 So you did it.

01:40:08.980 And then they fired you.

01:40:10.080 They gave us a statement saying, in part, this employee's flagrant and repeated disregard

01:40:14.140 of our rules and protocols disrupts and undermines our efforts to protect the rights of all New

01:40:19.900 Yorkers.

01:40:20.840 Do you think you did that?

01:40:24.140 I think I did disregard their policy.

01:40:27.540 I don't think I undermined any New Yorkers rights except for the gender doctors who operate

01:40:31.580 here.

01:40:31.900 And what do people need to know?

01:40:34.880 I mean, truly, what do people at home need to know about how these policies are hurting

01:40:40.260 New Yorkers?

01:40:42.400 Well, they need to know that girls are not boys.

01:40:44.720 Boys are not girls.

01:40:46.120 And we should not pretend otherwise.

01:40:48.060 So that's number one.

01:40:49.440 They need to understand that this so-called medicine has serious physical side effects,

01:40:54.040 which are not being conveyed to the public or to the parents of the kids who take the

01:40:58.560 drugs in a lot of cases in terms of what we're hearing.

01:41:01.080 So we need that's what people need to know, first of all, you know, if you're a parent

01:41:04.980 whose kid is going through this, then you need to know that you're not getting the whole

01:41:08.060 story from the left media and you might not be getting the whole story from the doctors

01:41:12.360 either.

01:41:13.580 Why won't Letitia James stand up for that?

01:41:15.940 Well, she's a Democrat and we can observe, you know, the Democratic Party has been a

01:41:23.080 monolith here.

01:41:24.460 They have been, you know, every time somebody even inches towards saying that girls' sports

01:41:29.380 should be for girls, for example, they get in trouble.

01:41:31.640 They, you know, there's a huge flare up when the Congress members from Massachusetts said

01:41:35.560 that.

01:41:35.920 And Tish James is not a rebel.

01:41:38.640 Yeah, Seth Moulton.

01:41:39.420 So Tish James is somebody we've seen.

01:41:41.260 She rides with her crew, you know, like she's it doesn't seem like she's I'd love to be proven

01:41:47.400 wrong about that because I'm not inside her head.

01:41:49.320 I don't know exactly why, but she's just acting the way all the Democrats are acting right

01:41:53.600 now.

01:41:55.020 Which is irrespective of the truth.

01:41:57.060 Are you a Democrat?

01:41:57.880 So I think I'm still technically registered as a Democrat because I live in New York City

01:42:02.940 and you want to vote in the primaries, but I don't I don't consider myself a Democrat.

01:42:06.880 No.

01:42:08.500 What was it this issue that drove you out or something else?

01:42:12.520 Oh, this was a big driver for me.

01:42:15.520 So I'm like a huge nerd.

01:42:16.620 So I was very deep in the weeds of what I do in my job, for example, related to consumer

01:42:20.680 frauds, financial issues.

01:42:22.560 And I think I was starting to notice, you know, for example, during covid, there were obviously

01:42:27.700 a lot of issues with the way the Democrats, President Biden handled that.

01:42:32.260 DEI, you know, I I'm not for DEI.

01:42:35.420 I realized that DEI is always accompanied by dishonesty and it's unfair and unconstitutional.

01:42:41.140 So, you know, I was coming to a place where I was definitely a heterodox and I would never

01:42:46.900 say I was like a full on.

01:42:48.720 I was always a heterodox person who lived among the left and I liked the work that I did in

01:42:52.400 the left, but I'm not, you know.

01:42:54.060 Glenna, come on in.

01:42:56.980 The water's fine.

01:42:58.120 I can see you coming over.

01:43:00.160 We have a big tent over here and we want you.

01:43:03.160 I know.

01:43:03.640 I know.

01:43:04.540 I know you're a big tent because I've been hanging out with you guys the last couple of

01:43:07.020 years and it's a lot of fun.

01:43:08.160 I mean, we have great conversations and debates and it's very open.

01:43:11.620 So, you know, I'm not not calling myself a Republican or conservative or whatever.

01:43:15.580 I'm just saying, like, you know, I focus on one issue at a time.

01:43:18.340 You just register independent.

01:43:20.140 That's what I that's what I am.

01:43:21.240 You can register independent.

01:43:22.320 You don't have to have a team jersey and you'll still be beloved.

01:43:25.240 Even as a former Democrat, the right is very welcoming and also does truly believe in capital

01:43:32.340 T, capital S, the science.

01:43:35.120 It's wonderful to meet you.

01:43:36.400 Thank you for taking a stand for girls and children.

01:43:39.540 Really appreciate it.

01:43:40.400 We need thousands more, millions more just like you, Glenna.

01:43:43.880 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:43:45.020 Thanks for having me on.

01:43:46.880 All the best.

01:43:47.760 Wow.

01:43:48.420 Glenna Goldis, everyone.

01:43:49.220 We are back tomorrow with a whole lot more.

01:43:51.440 We'll see you then.

01:43:54.800 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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