The Megyn Kelly Show - Bombshell Russiagate Docs Explained, and the Truth About Putin and Hillary, with Matt Taibbi and Ruthless

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.520 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.040 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.560 The guys from Ruthless will be here in a minute,

00:00:47.460 but we have got to begin with the latest stunning revelations

00:00:50.700 about intelligence manipulation from President Obama

00:00:54.800 and his top national security officials

00:00:57.480 aimed at discrediting the incoming President-elect Trump

00:01:01.620 and undermining his entire presidency.

00:01:04.580 It's a scandal.

00:01:06.500 It's disgusting.

00:01:08.660 Is it criminal?

00:01:09.700 I don't know, but I'm very certain on 0.1.

00:01:14.420 Yesterday, the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,

00:01:17.640 released the declassified 2020 House Intelligence Report.

00:01:23.120 Okay, now just follow with me.

00:01:24.500 We already talked about how in 2017,

00:01:27.580 the intelligence community issued this assessment.

00:01:31.420 It was just before Obama left office.

00:01:34.500 Well, then in 2020, Trump's now president,

00:01:38.060 and the House Intelligence Committee issued its own report

00:01:42.660 looking back at that 2017 Intel Community Assessment, or ICA.

00:01:48.640 They'd been working on it since they came into power

00:01:53.080 at the beginning of the Trump presidency.

00:01:55.720 And by the time they actually issued it,

00:01:57.640 Adam Schiff was running the committee,

00:01:59.260 which is why the 2020 House report gets buried,

00:02:02.560 and we're only now seeing it today.

00:02:05.700 All right?

00:02:06.320 But that 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment

00:02:09.140 is the one that we've been discussing this week

00:02:10.900 with Matt Taibbi and others.

00:02:12.020 That's the one that concluded Vladimir Putin

00:02:14.860 not only interfered in the election of 2016,

00:02:19.040 but that he, quote,

00:02:20.680 aspired to help President-elect Trump's election chances.

00:02:26.360 That's the important one to keep your eye on.

00:02:29.940 This newly released report from the House in 2020

00:02:35.180 that we're just now getting to see

00:02:36.740 includes some bombshells about the Russians' intel

00:02:40.340 on Hillary Clinton's health,

00:02:42.620 which we've never seen before.

00:02:44.480 If they wanted to help Hillary so badly and hurt Trump,

00:02:47.700 sorry, reverse that,

00:02:48.580 if they wanted to help Trump so badly and hurt Hillary,

00:02:52.020 why didn't the Russians release that?

00:02:54.220 Plus the lengths that CIA director John Brennan,

00:02:57.760 who really is emerging as the villain here,

00:03:00.020 went to include the now discredited Steele dossier

00:03:03.780 in the annex to that January 17 report

00:03:08.920 because it included the real dirt he desperately wanted.

00:03:13.520 It was really his main hook to say that Putin wanted Trump.

00:03:18.440 And now we've seen a look at the other three alleged hooks,

00:03:21.180 and as Matt Taibbi is going to tell us,

00:03:22.600 they're even lamer than we suspected.

00:03:24.480 It's worse than we feared.

00:03:26.160 But when we learned in this 2020 House document,

00:03:28.800 we're just now seeing that Brennan,

00:03:32.380 who was running CIA under Obama,

00:03:35.060 was confronted by a CIA officer

00:03:37.780 about the flaws in the dossier.

00:03:40.340 The guy was like, dude, we can't rely on this.

00:03:42.860 We can't use this to say there was aspiration to help Trump.

00:03:45.760 We shouldn't be sticking it in the annex to our report,

00:03:48.340 in our report, or relying on it in any way.

00:03:51.500 This needs to come out.

00:03:52.760 It's fatally flawed.

00:03:54.220 Brennan allegedly said, quote,

00:03:55.880 yes, but doesn't it ring true?

00:03:59.580 Holy cow.

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00:05:18.520 Matt, welcome back.

00:05:21.180 So we lit up the internet with our segment the other day.

00:05:25.040 And here's part two.

00:05:27.240 Here's part two.

00:05:28.260 Just to be clear, earlier this week,

00:05:30.100 I actually wrote this down.

00:05:31.280 I rarely write down what I'm going to say,

00:05:32.820 but I just didn't want to forget it

00:05:34.320 because there's so many moving parts.

00:05:35.980 We learned that that intelligence community assessment

00:05:39.200 of January 17 was set to downplay

00:05:43.700 Russian interference in the 16 election.

00:05:46.480 And then after a meeting with Obama

00:05:50.720 and the top intelligence community officials

00:05:53.780 or at Obama's direction, at least,

00:05:56.420 the intelligence community did a complete 180

00:05:59.140 and played up Russian interference

00:06:03.080 instead of playing it down.

00:06:05.420 And we learned from what was released

00:06:07.420 by Tulsi last Friday

00:06:08.780 that it was all at Obama's direction.

00:06:10.940 He made clear he wanted that 180

00:06:13.140 and they had the flimsiest of evidence to do it.

00:06:16.740 In particular, this piece about they aspired,

00:06:20.800 the Russians did, aspired to help Trump win.

00:06:24.200 So you and I talked about that earlier this week

00:06:26.440 and how, what they did.

00:06:28.360 What we've seen in the release that came yesterday

00:06:31.420 is this House intelligence report from 2020

00:06:35.720 buried up until now

00:06:38.040 that shows just how flimsy

00:06:41.600 the evidence supporting that aspirational point was.

00:06:46.620 Yes, Steele dossier, we knew that one sucked,

00:06:48.940 but we didn't know about this Brennan quote,

00:06:50.960 you know, has the ring of truth.

00:06:53.160 And the other alleged supporting evidence

00:06:56.120 was even flimsier, arguably,

00:06:59.460 than the Steele dossier.

00:07:00.480 Do I have it right?

00:07:02.800 Yes, that's pretty much it.

00:07:04.740 You've got it, Megan, yeah.

00:07:06.540 Okay.

00:07:08.780 So to go through,

00:07:10.220 like when you saw what was released yesterday,

00:07:12.680 this House intel report,

00:07:14.260 first of all, why was this buried

00:07:16.700 when Andy McCarthy,

00:07:19.140 who's again dumping on the story,

00:07:20.860 he points out,

00:07:22.020 hey, that House intel report

00:07:23.400 was largely put together by Kash Patel,

00:07:25.200 who was a committee staffer at the time.

00:07:26.660 Um, and like there,

00:07:30.120 it was,

00:07:30.920 it was a Republican controlled house

00:07:32.720 for a couple of those years.

00:07:34.880 And even when it became a Democrat controlled house,

00:07:38.140 there were Republicans who knew about this.

00:07:41.060 So why did this report

00:07:42.640 stay hidden

00:07:44.660 up until 2025?

00:07:46.920 Okay, that's a really interesting question,

00:07:51.560 Megan,

00:07:51.980 and it's got a fascinating answer

00:07:53.820 that should give everybody a lot of pause.

00:07:56.400 So as you correctly note,

00:07:58.700 this investigation,

00:08:00.200 the bulk of it was done

00:08:01.300 by a team

00:08:02.620 that was assembled

00:08:04.600 by then chairman

00:08:06.220 Devin Nunes

00:08:07.660 of the

00:08:09.180 Devin Nunes

00:08:10.860 in

00:08:11.300 in 2017

00:08:12.960 and a little bit of 2018,

00:08:14.980 if I'm not mistaken.

00:08:16.000 So there were two teams.

00:08:17.760 One of the teams

00:08:19.120 put together

00:08:20.680 what's what was later called

00:08:21.900 the the Nunes memo.

00:08:23.300 If you remember,

00:08:23.880 that was the one outlining

00:08:25.020 the abuse of the FISA system.

00:08:27.700 Everybody dumped on that.

00:08:29.020 And then there was

00:08:29.740 an inspector general report

00:08:31.100 that came out a year later

00:08:32.220 that completely vindicated it

00:08:34.600 and proved that it was true.

00:08:36.200 Well, the other half of this team,

00:08:38.380 there was a small unit

00:08:39.740 that worked out of a

00:08:41.320 a little room

00:08:42.840 in in the CIA headquarters,

00:08:45.080 a little room at Langley,

00:08:46.220 and their work product

00:08:48.160 was locked

00:08:49.220 in that secure vault

00:08:51.120 the entire time.

00:08:53.020 And it has not been allowed out

00:08:55.020 since then

00:08:56.000 through all the different

00:08:57.500 political situations

00:08:58.900 you mentioned.

00:08:59.880 It was

00:09:01.460 it was still there

00:09:02.860 even up until

00:09:03.760 about three weeks ago.

00:09:06.040 You might have noticed

00:09:07.180 the House Intelligence chair

00:09:09.000 now,

00:09:10.360 Rick Crawford,

00:09:11.120 he complained publicly

00:09:12.200 to Donald Trump

00:09:13.400 and said that there was

00:09:14.820 a whitewash going on.

00:09:16.540 My understanding

00:09:17.140 is that Trump interceded

00:09:18.860 and resolved

00:09:21.100 some kind of

00:09:21.980 conflict that had been

00:09:23.040 going on with the CIA.

00:09:24.800 And now

00:09:25.600 as a result,

00:09:27.820 the document

00:09:28.720 was finally returned

00:09:29.680 to the Hill.

00:09:30.360 So anybody who was thinking

00:09:31.660 that it was just sitting there

00:09:32.800 in Congress

00:09:34.860 awaiting release,

00:09:36.220 no, it wasn't.

00:09:36.900 It was locked up

00:09:38.000 and classified

00:09:38.640 the entire time.

00:09:40.340 Wow.

00:09:40.960 Okay, so now

00:09:41.800 we've gotten a look at it.

00:09:43.740 And this is,

00:09:45.440 in part,

00:09:45.720 what we've learned.

00:09:47.180 That

00:09:47.580 they concluded

00:09:49.000 in this House document

00:09:50.520 that the Intelligence

00:09:52.000 Community Assessment

00:09:52.760 or ICA of January 17

00:09:54.340 was subject,

00:09:55.680 quoting here,

00:09:56.360 to unusual directives

00:09:57.660 from President Obama

00:09:59.020 and senior political appointees,

00:10:01.040 particularly CIA Director Brennan.

00:10:03.560 Unlike,

00:10:04.200 still quoting,

00:10:05.160 routine intelligence

00:10:06.260 community analysis,

00:10:07.800 this ICA was

00:10:08.780 a high-profile product

00:10:10.560 ordered by the president,

00:10:12.700 directed by senior

00:10:13.540 IC agency heads

00:10:14.640 and created by

00:10:15.420 just five CIA analysts

00:10:16.920 using one

00:10:18.220 principal drafter.

00:10:19.200 Production of this document

00:10:20.800 was subject to

00:10:21.640 unusual directives

00:10:22.680 from the president

00:10:23.280 and senior political appointees

00:10:24.660 and particularly Brennan.

00:10:26.640 The draft was not

00:10:27.240 properly coordinated

00:10:28.140 within the CIA

00:10:28.920 or the intelligence community,

00:10:30.360 ensuring it would be published

00:10:31.420 without significant challenges

00:10:32.580 to its conclusions.

00:10:34.960 And then it goes on

00:10:36.320 to say,

00:10:37.360 hold on,

00:10:38.280 the judgment therein

00:10:40.980 that Putin had a clear

00:10:42.280 preference for Trump

00:10:43.440 and, quote,

00:10:44.160 aspired to help

00:10:45.160 Trump's chances at victory

00:10:46.440 did not adhere

00:10:47.960 to the intelligence

00:10:48.820 community's standards

00:10:50.180 and was based

00:10:53.100 on potentially biased

00:10:56.020 and implausible information

00:10:58.020 that Brennan ordered

00:11:00.140 published.

00:11:01.500 Your headline

00:11:02.600 in your document

00:11:03.380 is,

00:11:04.000 it's worse

00:11:04.920 than we thought.

00:11:07.340 And I think

00:11:07.900 that's based

00:11:08.560 in part on

00:11:09.520 what,

00:11:10.600 now we see

00:11:11.100 the full

00:11:11.640 panoply

00:11:12.800 of information

00:11:13.680 that Brennan

00:11:14.920 used

00:11:15.460 to get

00:11:16.040 to that

00:11:16.540 conclusion

00:11:17.440 that,

00:11:17.960 that,

00:11:19.160 because it matters.

00:11:20.520 Everybody

00:11:21.040 who's defending

00:11:21.760 what Obama did

00:11:22.740 says,

00:11:23.120 we knew

00:11:23.820 the Russians

00:11:24.260 interfered.

00:11:25.000 Stop trying

00:11:25.560 to tell us

00:11:25.960 the Russians

00:11:26.360 didn't interfere.

00:11:27.180 That's all

00:11:27.620 we ever said.

00:11:28.540 That's not true.

00:11:29.920 They did say more

00:11:31.000 than,

00:11:31.200 they said

00:11:31.440 the Russians

00:11:31.940 interfered

00:11:32.480 because they

00:11:32.880 wanted to get

00:11:33.440 Trump elected

00:11:34.080 and that Trump

00:11:34.980 colluded with them.

00:11:36.500 Collusion

00:11:36.940 fell apart,

00:11:37.680 but they

00:11:38.260 still hung

00:11:38.940 on to,

00:11:39.960 but Putin

00:11:40.620 interfered

00:11:41.260 to help

00:11:41.640 Trump.

00:11:42.220 So,

00:11:42.580 in other words,

00:11:43.020 the election

00:11:43.340 was unfair

00:11:44.100 and it was

00:11:44.760 unfair in

00:11:45.300 Trump's benefit

00:11:45.960 because that's

00:11:46.480 who they

00:11:46.660 meant to help.

00:11:47.280 That has

00:11:47.820 now fallen

00:11:48.360 apart and

00:11:49.160 now we're

00:11:49.520 seeing how

00:11:50.180 that other

00:11:50.780 lie got

00:11:52.020 shoved out

00:11:52.640 there.

00:11:52.860 By the way,

00:11:53.280 that lie

00:11:53.620 was the

00:11:54.040 basis for

00:11:54.520 the collusion

00:11:54.960 narrative too.

00:11:55.940 Now we're

00:11:56.260 seeing how

00:11:56.660 that other

00:11:57.140 lie got

00:11:57.600 pushed out

00:11:58.080 there by

00:11:58.480 Brennan

00:11:58.980 at Obama's

00:12:00.080 direction and

00:12:01.060 we're seeing

00:12:01.740 what Brennan

00:12:02.760 used to push

00:12:03.960 the lie.

00:12:04.820 One was

00:12:05.240 Steele

00:12:05.540 dossier,

00:12:06.500 which this

00:12:07.340 points

00:12:07.680 out as

00:12:08.860 it fell

00:12:09.200 apart and

00:12:09.960 the guy

00:12:10.220 went to

00:12:10.560 him,

00:12:10.780 CIA analyst

00:12:11.460 to say,

00:12:11.940 it's fallen

00:12:12.400 apart,

00:12:13.320 we can't

00:12:14.080 use this.

00:12:14.540 He said,

00:12:14.960 yes,

00:12:15.280 but doesn't

00:12:15.780 it ring

00:12:16.420 true,

00:12:17.200 which is

00:12:17.700 an outrage.

00:12:19.080 That in

00:12:19.560 and of

00:12:19.780 itself is

00:12:20.240 a scandal,

00:12:21.260 but there

00:12:21.840 are three

00:12:22.420 other legs

00:12:23.220 to this

00:12:23.620 stool,

00:12:24.240 which are

00:12:24.940 equally,

00:12:25.480 if not

00:12:25.720 more,

00:12:26.040 pathetic,

00:12:26.680 Matt.

00:12:26.880 Let's

00:12:27.060 talk about

00:12:27.440 those.

00:12:30.460 You're

00:12:30.980 right.

00:12:31.840 The response

00:12:33.000 to this

00:12:33.520 whole thing

00:12:34.060 from everybody

00:12:35.080 has been,

00:12:35.940 well,

00:12:36.600 yes,

00:12:36.940 we knew

00:12:37.400 the

00:12:37.760 Steele

00:12:38.040 dossier

00:12:38.540 was included

00:12:39.500 in this

00:12:40.420 report,

00:12:41.360 and yes,

00:12:42.160 that was

00:12:42.980 bad,

00:12:43.420 kind of a

00:12:43.780 black eye,

00:12:44.580 but as the

00:12:46.180 Washington Post

00:12:46.760 put it the

00:12:47.080 other day,

00:12:47.580 there had to

00:12:48.240 have been

00:12:48.520 better updated

00:12:49.540 intelligence that

00:12:51.200 they got in

00:12:51.980 the meantime

00:12:52.620 that pointed

00:12:53.580 to Putin

00:12:53.940 to Putin

00:12:56.040 interfering

00:12:56.580 specifically to

00:12:57.480 help Donald

00:12:57.920 Trump.

00:12:58.720 Even I

00:12:59.160 thought,

00:12:59.540 you never

00:13:00.080 know,

00:13:00.420 there might

00:13:00.760 be something

00:13:01.360 in there

00:13:01.980 of some

00:13:03.780 worth that

00:13:04.840 would have

00:13:05.120 pointed in

00:13:05.540 that direction.

00:13:06.220 No.

00:13:06.680 It turns out

00:13:07.340 that there

00:13:07.640 are three

00:13:08.220 pieces of

00:13:08.800 intelligence

00:13:09.220 that they

00:13:09.600 were relying

00:13:10.220 on for

00:13:10.700 those two

00:13:11.620 key phrases.

00:13:12.460 One,

00:13:13.240 which is

00:13:13.900 that Putin

00:13:14.460 aspired to

00:13:15.900 help Trump.

00:13:16.460 The other

00:13:16.780 is that Putin

00:13:17.420 had developed

00:13:18.060 a clear

00:13:18.600 preference

00:13:19.240 for Trump

00:13:20.380 and ordered

00:13:21.680 his intelligence

00:13:22.260 services to

00:13:22.880 help him

00:13:23.280 whenever possible.

00:13:24.980 The first

00:13:25.760 item that

00:13:27.980 they used

00:13:28.520 to support

00:13:30.540 that data

00:13:31.140 was a

00:13:31.760 scant,

00:13:32.700 unclear,

00:13:33.340 and unverifiable

00:13:35.440 fragment of

00:13:36.240 one sentence

00:13:37.120 that was

00:13:38.500 really ambiguous.

00:13:40.140 In fact,

00:13:40.960 the report

00:13:42.420 was written

00:13:42.760 by five

00:13:43.380 CIA authors

00:13:44.500 and the

00:13:45.380 quote was

00:13:45.860 five people

00:13:46.580 read it

00:13:46.940 five ways.

00:13:47.680 they left

00:13:49.380 it out

00:13:49.740 initially.

00:13:50.660 It was

00:13:50.920 also

00:13:51.960 unverifiable

00:13:52.800 so the

00:13:53.240 authors

00:13:53.520 left it

00:13:54.000 out.

00:13:55.240 Brennan

00:13:55.540 ordered them

00:13:56.140 to stick

00:13:56.480 it back

00:13:56.880 in.

00:13:57.240 This is

00:13:57.600 a recurring

00:13:58.580 theme.

00:13:59.120 All of

00:13:59.500 this stuff,

00:14:00.340 all of

00:14:00.660 the other

00:14:01.000 three pieces

00:14:01.720 were initially

00:14:02.680 rejected by

00:14:03.440 the CIA

00:14:03.980 as intelligence.

00:14:05.460 They were

00:14:05.680 literally picked

00:14:06.340 out of the

00:14:06.760 garbage to

00:14:08.060 be put back

00:14:09.900 into this

00:14:10.460 thing.

00:14:11.920 The second

00:14:12.400 item was

00:14:13.220 an email

00:14:13.760 with quote

00:14:14.400 no date,

00:14:15.480 no identified

00:14:16.060 sender,

00:14:16.860 no clear

00:14:17.300 recipient,

00:14:18.060 and no

00:14:18.420 classification.

00:14:20.420 The third

00:14:21.160 item was

00:14:22.580 an assertion

00:14:23.920 basically that

00:14:24.780 Russia preferred

00:14:27.680 Republicans

00:14:28.260 because they

00:14:28.960 didn't care so

00:14:29.600 much about

00:14:30.000 human rights

00:14:30.720 and some

00:14:32.000 other comments.

00:14:32.720 They said

00:14:33.020 that this

00:14:33.300 was backed

00:14:33.740 up by

00:14:35.560 liaison

00:14:36.200 reporting,

00:14:37.080 diplomatic

00:14:37.340 reporting,

00:14:38.140 press

00:14:38.380 reporting,

00:14:39.100 as well as

00:14:39.900 signals

00:14:40.200 intelligence.

00:14:41.360 When you

00:14:41.800 write these

00:14:42.160 reports,

00:14:42.640 they have

00:14:42.880 little

00:14:43.060 citations

00:14:43.800 that you

00:14:44.180 can look

00:14:44.540 at to

00:14:45.140 see where

00:14:45.480 that comes

00:14:45.940 from.

00:14:46.280 When they

00:14:47.140 looked at

00:14:47.440 the citations,

00:14:48.220 none of

00:14:48.480 them made

00:14:48.800 sense.

00:14:49.240 One of

00:14:49.580 them was

00:14:49.920 from before

00:14:50.600 the election,

00:14:52.320 didn't even

00:14:52.720 mention

00:14:53.040 Trump.

00:14:54.060 Another one

00:14:54.760 was after

00:14:55.340 the election.

00:14:56.960 Didn't mention

00:14:57.720 Trump.

00:14:58.340 Another one

00:14:59.500 was quoting

00:15:01.240 a Russian

00:15:02.020 pundit saying

00:15:02.980 that Putin

00:15:03.900 and Trump

00:15:04.480 should work

00:15:05.000 together like

00:15:05.640 businessmen.

00:15:06.960 This is the

00:15:07.860 stuff that

00:15:08.280 they used

00:15:08.920 to conclude

00:15:10.400 that they

00:15:10.740 had gotten

00:15:11.200 into the

00:15:12.040 very head

00:15:12.680 of Vladimir

00:15:13.220 Putin and

00:15:14.240 assessed

00:15:14.660 his

00:15:15.060 preference

00:15:16.180 for the

00:15:16.520 election.

00:15:17.260 It's

00:15:17.820 absurd.

00:15:18.680 The low

00:15:19.720 standards are

00:15:20.260 amazing.

00:15:21.120 It's amazing

00:15:21.700 that they

00:15:22.000 had so

00:15:22.480 little

00:15:22.740 intelligence

00:15:23.220 at all

00:15:23.780 even to

00:15:24.420 manipulate.

00:15:26.060 Which of

00:15:27.280 course proves

00:15:27.960 just to

00:15:28.360 batter the

00:15:29.080 point that

00:15:29.900 this was

00:15:30.620 inserted in

00:15:31.420 there for

00:15:32.060 political

00:15:32.540 reasons,

00:15:33.380 as an

00:15:34.140 attempt to

00:15:34.840 undermine

00:15:35.400 Donald Trump's

00:15:36.140 presidency.

00:15:37.340 And what we

00:15:37.900 know from

00:15:38.240 the Tulsi

00:15:38.720 Gabbard dump

00:15:39.400 on Friday

00:15:39.900 that you and

00:15:40.320 I discussed

00:15:40.700 earlier this

00:15:41.180 week is

00:15:42.060 it was

00:15:42.900 done at

00:15:43.500 President

00:15:43.920 Obama's

00:15:44.680 direction.

00:15:45.580 So they

00:15:45.840 included

00:15:46.380 bad

00:15:47.020 information.

00:15:49.220 He

00:15:49.780 rejected

00:15:50.500 the concerns

00:15:51.300 of CIA

00:15:52.300 Brennan did

00:15:52.840 CIA officers.

00:15:54.340 It goes on

00:15:54.980 to say that

00:15:55.300 Brennan

00:15:55.740 overruled

00:15:56.460 professionals

00:15:57.020 on the

00:15:57.900 determination

00:15:58.460 that Putin

00:15:59.580 aspired to

00:16:00.120 help Trump

00:16:00.580 who said

00:16:01.120 there's no

00:16:01.460 direct evidence

00:16:02.080 of this.

00:16:02.780 There's none.

00:16:03.780 Two officers

00:16:04.340 argued to

00:16:05.260 Brennan,

00:16:06.220 quote,

00:16:06.500 we don't have

00:16:07.040 direct information

00:16:07.840 that Putin

00:16:08.480 wanted to get

00:16:08.980 Trump elected

00:16:09.580 and therefore

00:16:10.640 the judgment

00:16:11.260 that Putin

00:16:11.840 was counting

00:16:12.480 on Trump's

00:16:13.140 victory should

00:16:13.740 be removed

00:16:14.480 from this

00:16:15.320 ICA or

00:16:16.320 the ICA

00:16:16.840 should be

00:16:17.080 changed.

00:16:18.720 Nonetheless,

00:16:19.700 it wasn't.

00:16:20.660 Then the

00:16:21.080 ICA excluded

00:16:21.960 evidence from

00:16:23.100 a Putin

00:16:23.460 confidant

00:16:24.040 that said

00:16:25.600 the Russian

00:16:26.340 president actually

00:16:27.100 didn't care

00:16:27.620 who won.

00:16:28.060 So they

00:16:28.400 included bad

00:16:30.160 information in

00:16:31.480 the report

00:16:31.900 based on that

00:16:32.580 flimsy,

00:16:33.300 unsubstantiated,

00:16:34.540 outdated BS.

00:16:36.280 They overruled

00:16:37.580 CIA analysts

00:16:38.600 who were

00:16:38.840 telling them

00:16:39.340 this should

00:16:39.840 come out.

00:16:40.460 We don't

00:16:40.700 have support

00:16:41.260 for this.

00:16:42.500 And then

00:16:42.820 they rejected

00:16:44.420 and then

00:16:45.800 they ignored

00:16:48.580 contradictory

00:16:49.900 evidence that

00:16:51.200 would have

00:16:51.640 pushed them

00:16:52.280 the other

00:16:52.880 way,

00:16:53.540 including

00:16:53.840 this.

00:16:55.600 A Putin

00:16:56.040 confidant,

00:16:57.620 let's see,

00:16:58.340 came to

00:16:58.660 them and

00:16:59.820 told a

00:17:00.460 sensitive

00:17:00.760 contact that

00:17:02.200 one,

00:17:03.000 Putin told

00:17:03.500 him he did

00:17:04.020 not care who

00:17:04.540 won the

00:17:04.800 election.

00:17:05.420 Two,

00:17:06.000 Putin had

00:17:06.440 often outlined

00:17:08.240 the weaknesses

00:17:08.960 of both

00:17:09.700 major candidates.

00:17:11.200 And three,

00:17:11.940 Putin had

00:17:12.360 asserted that

00:17:13.040 in either case,

00:17:14.180 quote,

00:17:14.460 Russia was

00:17:15.040 strategically

00:17:15.600 placed to

00:17:16.640 outmaneuver

00:17:17.420 either one.

00:17:19.940 I mean,

00:17:20.680 all of this

00:17:22.060 shows they

00:17:23.540 had one

00:17:24.240 mission,

00:17:24.800 Matt,

00:17:25.020 and one

00:17:25.420 mission only.

00:17:26.400 And that

00:17:26.980 aspirational

00:17:27.780 point that he

00:17:28.880 was determined

00:17:29.540 to help

00:17:30.100 Trump and get

00:17:31.140 Trump elected

00:17:31.800 was a

00:17:33.180 political

00:17:33.720 hit job

00:17:34.620 that they

00:17:35.280 then leaked

00:17:35.720 to the

00:17:36.020 media

00:17:36.280 immediately,

00:17:37.760 as you

00:17:38.040 pointed out

00:17:38.380 the other

00:17:38.640 day,

00:17:38.960 that before

00:17:39.560 the homework

00:17:39.940 assignment was

00:17:40.580 even completed,

00:17:42.140 in other words,

00:17:42.720 Obama said,

00:17:43.220 go back and

00:17:43.620 change your

00:17:43.960 report,

00:17:44.500 they leaked

00:17:44.920 to the

00:17:45.180 media what

00:17:45.820 the conclusion

00:17:46.300 of it would

00:17:46.760 be.

00:17:47.860 They had

00:17:48.360 one goal

00:17:48.720 and one

00:17:48.960 goal only,

00:17:49.540 which was

00:17:49.760 to undermine

00:17:50.200 Trump.

00:17:51.840 Yeah,

00:17:52.400 and your

00:17:53.420 quoting of

00:17:54.440 that expert

00:17:56.000 and that

00:17:58.000 one source

00:17:58.520 is really

00:17:59.160 an important

00:17:59.840 moment,

00:18:00.340 right?

00:18:00.500 Because when

00:18:00.900 I read

00:18:01.180 this report,

00:18:01.740 that jumped

00:18:02.180 out at

00:18:02.520 me.

00:18:03.520 Out of

00:18:04.100 all these

00:18:04.520 things that

00:18:05.000 they had,

00:18:05.440 these fragments

00:18:06.140 of emails

00:18:06.920 and little

00:18:07.620 bits of

00:18:08.320 conversations

00:18:09.460 from this

00:18:10.120 and that,

00:18:10.800 here they

00:18:11.140 have the

00:18:11.940 gold standard

00:18:12.680 of intelligence,

00:18:13.800 an actual

00:18:14.420 human source

00:18:15.280 who's a

00:18:15.680 confidant of

00:18:16.480 Putin,

00:18:17.040 and he

00:18:17.580 says,

00:18:18.400 Putin doesn't

00:18:18.920 care who

00:18:19.380 wins.

00:18:19.920 We don't

00:18:20.240 think it's

00:18:20.580 going to get

00:18:20.900 better either

00:18:21.460 way.

00:18:22.840 No matter

00:18:23.800 what happens,

00:18:24.520 we're in a

00:18:24.880 good position.

00:18:26.640 That's exactly

00:18:27.540 the kind of

00:18:27.960 thing that you

00:18:28.320 need to include

00:18:29.220 in this sort

00:18:29.740 of thing.

00:18:30.000 You're

00:18:30.180 required to

00:18:30.820 include,

00:18:31.740 but they

00:18:32.920 did not.

00:18:33.680 And so the

00:18:34.560 analysts were

00:18:35.380 told,

00:18:36.060 it's exactly

00:18:37.440 like the

00:18:37.800 WMD story.

00:18:38.880 There's a

00:18:39.380 quote from an

00:18:39.860 FBI person

00:18:41.140 who says,

00:18:41.520 our instructions

00:18:42.280 were that

00:18:43.180 anything that

00:18:43.800 we had was

00:18:44.940 to be used.

00:18:46.040 We were to

00:18:46.560 push this.

00:18:48.120 They talked

00:18:48.920 about the

00:18:49.320 steel material

00:18:50.000 and they said

00:18:50.620 including it

00:18:51.420 was the right

00:18:51.980 thing to do,

00:18:52.780 but we were

00:18:53.240 not able to

00:18:53.840 verify it.

00:18:54.580 But this

00:18:55.680 is, again,

00:18:56.360 it's the

00:18:56.800 same thing

00:18:57.340 as the

00:18:57.660 WMD

00:18:58.160 business when

00:18:58.920 they were

00:18:59.500 told to

00:18:59.900 find the

00:19:00.560 sites or

00:19:01.160 find the

00:19:01.580 WMD

00:19:02.080 sites, even

00:19:03.900 when they

00:19:04.240 didn't exist.

00:19:05.580 And here

00:19:06.260 they did

00:19:06.880 exactly the

00:19:07.520 same thing.

00:19:08.040 They found

00:19:08.540 stuff that

00:19:08.960 wasn't there

00:19:09.540 and they

00:19:10.740 covered up

00:19:11.300 the relevant

00:19:11.880 good intelligence

00:19:13.020 they had that

00:19:14.180 contradicted

00:19:14.760 their points.

00:19:15.420 How about

00:19:17.140 the crazy

00:19:17.780 Brennan quote

00:19:18.640 in response

00:19:19.760 to the

00:19:20.180 Steele dossier?

00:19:21.580 Yes, but

00:19:22.020 doesn't it

00:19:22.460 ring true?

00:19:23.500 That is so

00:19:24.500 damning.

00:19:25.820 It's incredibly

00:19:26.820 damning and

00:19:27.540 it's even more

00:19:28.160 damning when

00:19:28.700 you look at

00:19:29.800 his testimony

00:19:30.560 about the

00:19:31.420 Steele dossier

00:19:32.140 where he says

00:19:33.340 things like,

00:19:33.920 oh, I didn't

00:19:34.440 know anything

00:19:34.840 about it.

00:19:35.320 I didn't know

00:19:35.660 where it came

00:19:36.140 from.

00:19:36.540 And I can

00:19:36.880 assure you

00:19:37.700 that it

00:19:38.560 played no

00:19:40.380 role in

00:19:41.240 the 2017

00:19:42.300 Intelligence

00:19:44.440 Community

00:19:44.940 Assessment

00:19:45.400 he said

00:19:45.940 he just

00:19:46.280 looked right

00:19:46.820 in the

00:19:47.100 camera and

00:19:47.700 said that.

00:19:48.740 We have

00:19:49.380 that.

00:19:49.720 We have

00:19:49.960 that.

00:19:50.120 Let me

00:19:50.300 play that

00:19:50.720 Matt and

00:19:50.980 then you

00:19:51.180 pick it

00:19:51.400 up on

00:19:51.580 the back

00:19:51.820 end.

00:19:52.000 So here

00:19:52.240 is Brennan

00:19:52.740 telling

00:19:53.720 Congress

00:19:54.420 the CIA

00:19:55.480 did not

00:19:55.960 rely on

00:19:56.380 the Steele

00:19:56.740 dossier.

00:19:57.760 This is

00:19:58.520 from May

00:19:59.180 of 2017

00:20:01.040 as now

00:20:02.460 the

00:20:02.740 Republican

00:20:03.420 controlled

00:20:03.980 House

00:20:04.580 Intel

00:20:05.420 Committee

00:20:05.780 is looking

00:20:06.660 into

00:20:07.220 this

00:20:07.920 obviously

00:20:08.620 bogus

00:20:09.460 January

00:20:10.320 17

00:20:11.040 ICA

00:20:11.740 report.

00:20:12.180 And again,

00:20:12.480 we are just

00:20:13.300 now getting

00:20:13.680 our hands

00:20:14.280 on that

00:20:15.080 House

00:20:15.540 Intel

00:20:16.380 Committee

00:20:16.740 report,

00:20:17.340 which was

00:20:17.840 buried in

00:20:18.800 a safe

00:20:19.320 at Langley

00:20:20.300 until President

00:20:21.080 Trump just

00:20:21.540 intervened.

00:20:22.460 So they

00:20:23.100 were doing an

00:20:24.160 investigation,

00:20:24.800 a real

00:20:25.160 investigation into

00:20:26.000 how this

00:20:26.420 BS wound up

00:20:27.440 in this

00:20:27.700 ICA.

00:20:28.940 And they

00:20:29.300 called

00:20:29.600 Brennan,

00:20:30.460 Obama's

00:20:31.020 CIA

00:20:31.240 director,

00:20:31.700 to testify.

00:20:32.800 And keep

00:20:33.100 in mind

00:20:33.360 now,

00:20:33.680 Brennan

00:20:34.560 knows,

00:20:35.000 but we

00:20:35.320 don't,

00:20:36.100 that he

00:20:36.580 has been

00:20:37.060 warned by

00:20:37.840 multiple

00:20:38.760 CIA agents

00:20:39.580 under him

00:20:40.040 that this

00:20:40.360 is bullshit,

00:20:40.880 we should

00:20:41.140 not include

00:20:41.560 this aspirational

00:20:42.320 point in

00:20:42.740 this report,

00:20:43.360 and we

00:20:43.700 definitely

00:20:43.920 should not

00:20:44.280 include the

00:20:44.660 Steele

00:20:44.860 dossier.

00:20:45.680 And his

00:20:45.920 response was,

00:20:46.920 but it has

00:20:47.480 the ring

00:20:47.960 of truth.

00:20:48.580 That feels

00:20:49.120 like it has

00:20:49.580 the ring

00:20:50.000 of truth,

00:20:50.500 doesn't it?

00:20:51.140 And here's

00:20:51.700 what he

00:20:51.940 testified,

00:20:52.420 knowing all

00:20:52.920 that to

00:20:53.320 Congress

00:20:53.620 under oath

00:20:54.220 at SOT

00:20:54.520 17.

00:20:56.580 Do you

00:20:57.160 know if

00:20:57.400 the Bureau

00:20:57.720 ever relied

00:20:58.520 on the

00:20:58.860 Steele

00:20:59.140 dossier as

00:21:00.120 part of

00:21:01.300 any court

00:21:01.780 filings,

00:21:03.120 applications,

00:21:04.220 petitions,

00:21:05.000 pleadings?

00:21:05.740 I have no

00:21:06.180 awareness.

00:21:10.160 Did the

00:21:10.860 CIA rely

00:21:11.520 on it?

00:21:12.240 No.

00:21:13.120 Why not?

00:21:15.140 Because we

00:21:16.060 didn't.

00:21:16.880 It wasn't

00:21:17.320 part of the

00:21:18.160 corpus of

00:21:18.800 intelligence

00:21:19.380 information that

00:21:21.060 we had.

00:21:21.960 It was not

00:21:22.700 in any way

00:21:23.600 used as

00:21:24.200 a basis

00:21:24.640 for the

00:21:25.660 intelligence

00:21:26.060 community

00:21:26.320 assessment

00:21:26.740 that was

00:21:27.120 done.

00:21:28.480 It was

00:21:29.360 not.

00:21:32.200 Go ahead,

00:21:32.880 Matt.

00:21:34.480 If you

00:21:35.120 look closely

00:21:35.920 at that

00:21:36.220 video,

00:21:36.520 you can

00:21:36.760 see his

00:21:37.180 lip

00:21:38.260 trembles

00:21:39.000 sort of

00:21:40.120 uncontrollably

00:21:40.900 at the

00:21:41.180 end of

00:21:41.480 that statement.

00:21:42.900 Look,

00:21:43.640 that's what

00:21:44.560 lying looks

00:21:45.160 like.

00:21:45.920 It's not

00:21:46.420 a matter

00:21:46.680 of dispute

00:21:47.320 that the

00:21:48.780 Steele

00:21:49.000 dossier

00:21:49.380 was in

00:21:50.220 this report.

00:21:51.300 It was

00:21:51.700 in the

00:21:52.460 so-called

00:21:52.760 classified

00:21:53.440 annex that

00:21:54.180 was

00:21:54.400 declassified

00:21:55.200 in 2020.

00:21:56.500 So he's

00:21:56.860 saying this

00:21:57.280 in 2017.

00:21:58.660 It wasn't

00:21:59.220 known for

00:21:59.700 sure until

00:22:01.280 three years

00:22:01.800 later, but

00:22:02.300 everybody kind

00:22:03.100 of guessed

00:22:03.580 that it

00:22:04.020 was in

00:22:04.340 there.

00:22:05.720 So he

00:22:06.380 said that

00:22:06.860 and he

00:22:07.280 gave

00:22:07.540 interviews,

00:22:08.220 multiple

00:22:08.480 interviews to

00:22:09.040 the news

00:22:09.360 media,

00:22:10.140 and I

00:22:10.660 believe he

00:22:11.060 testified on

00:22:11.620 other

00:22:11.800 occasions that

00:22:13.000 it was not

00:22:13.440 part of

00:22:13.840 the ICA.

00:22:15.800 so look,

00:22:17.540 they deflected

00:22:19.860 constantly

00:22:20.420 about this

00:22:21.060 thing and

00:22:22.000 they always

00:22:22.800 suggested that

00:22:23.420 they had

00:22:23.920 more that

00:22:24.480 they weren't

00:22:24.920 showing.

00:22:27.020 And when

00:22:28.640 you see

00:22:29.000 under the

00:22:29.440 hood and

00:22:30.380 you get

00:22:30.620 this quote,

00:22:31.400 and we

00:22:32.000 have to

00:22:32.240 remember,

00:22:32.740 this is

00:22:33.520 an unnamed

00:22:35.260 source.

00:22:36.240 There's no

00:22:36.600 way to

00:22:36.860 confirm this,

00:22:37.740 but the

00:22:40.600 analysts who

00:22:41.200 did this

00:22:41.480 report are

00:22:43.460 basically

00:22:44.140 promising that

00:22:44.960 they would

00:22:45.220 be able to

00:22:45.660 produce this

00:22:46.220 witness if

00:22:46.780 asked to.

00:22:49.200 But apparently

00:22:49.660 somebody heard

00:22:50.900 Brennan say,

00:22:53.540 yeah, but

00:22:53.780 doesn't it have

00:22:54.300 the ring of

00:22:54.840 truth?

00:22:55.480 And that is

00:22:56.300 exactly the

00:22:57.920 kind of

00:22:58.220 behavior that

00:22:59.040 got us in

00:22:59.940 trouble being

00:23:00.420 in Iraq and

00:23:01.120 multiple other

00:23:01.940 episodes.

00:23:02.580 So it's

00:23:03.080 crazy stuff.

00:23:05.800 It's not

00:23:06.620 just Brennan.

00:23:07.740 either.

00:23:08.480 Comey, of

00:23:09.120 course, is

00:23:09.720 one of the

00:23:10.140 main villains

00:23:11.500 here.

00:23:12.280 And he

00:23:12.720 too, I

00:23:13.520 mean, the

00:23:13.820 FBI knew

00:23:15.240 just as well

00:23:15.940 as the CIA

00:23:16.580 that the

00:23:17.100 Steele dossier

00:23:17.800 was a made

00:23:18.740 up document

00:23:19.460 by someone

00:23:20.720 hired to

00:23:21.940 do dirty

00:23:22.580 work for

00:23:23.080 Hillary Clinton.

00:23:24.460 And yet,

00:23:25.100 this was

00:23:25.420 making the

00:23:25.820 rounds on

00:23:26.180 X the

00:23:26.580 other day.

00:23:27.380 Here's

00:23:27.720 James Comey.

00:23:29.480 This is

00:23:30.040 April of

00:23:30.680 2018.

00:23:31.940 All right,

00:23:32.120 we just

00:23:32.400 saw, this

00:23:33.320 is what

00:23:33.580 lying looks

00:23:34.100 like, John

00:23:34.800 Brennan in

00:23:35.440 2017, May

00:23:36.660 of 17.

00:23:37.740 He knew

00:23:38.480 it was

00:23:39.040 bullshit.

00:23:39.540 His analysts

00:23:40.120 had come to

00:23:40.500 him saying,

00:23:41.140 don't put

00:23:41.580 that in

00:23:41.920 there, for

00:23:42.500 the love

00:23:42.880 of God,

00:23:43.580 ring of

00:23:44.240 truth, and

00:23:44.900 it wound

00:23:45.240 up in

00:23:45.580 the annex.

00:23:47.600 Comey knew

00:23:48.220 too.

00:23:48.940 Here's Comey

00:23:49.660 in April

00:23:50.300 of 18 on

00:23:52.520 ABC News,

00:23:54.220 still pushing

00:23:56.400 the allegations

00:23:57.520 that were in

00:23:58.140 the Steele

00:23:58.540 dossier as

00:23:59.780 though they're

00:24:00.760 legit.

00:24:01.400 Watch.

00:24:01.780 if there's

00:24:03.120 even a

00:24:03.400 1% chance

00:24:04.280 my wife

00:24:04.740 thinks that's

00:24:05.400 true, that's

00:24:06.740 terrible.

00:24:08.220 And I

00:24:08.480 remember

00:24:09.200 thinking, how

00:24:10.460 did your

00:24:10.720 wife think

00:24:11.060 there's a

00:24:11.360 1% chance

00:24:12.680 you were

00:24:13.000 with prostitutes

00:24:13.700 peeing on

00:24:14.120 each other in

00:24:14.580 Moscow?

00:24:15.520 I'm a

00:24:16.060 flawed human

00:24:16.520 being, but

00:24:17.220 there's literally

00:24:18.920 zero chance

00:24:19.720 that my wife

00:24:20.260 would think

00:24:20.700 that was

00:24:21.180 true.

00:24:21.900 So what

00:24:22.360 kind of

00:24:22.700 marriage to

00:24:23.200 what kind

00:24:23.540 of man

00:24:23.920 does your

00:24:24.240 wife think

00:24:24.620 there's only

00:24:24.920 a 99%

00:24:25.720 chance you

00:24:26.280 didn't do

00:24:26.700 that?

00:24:27.000 And I

00:24:28.380 said to

00:24:28.740 him, sir,

00:24:30.400 when he

00:24:30.680 started talking

00:24:31.120 about it, I

00:24:31.740 may order

00:24:32.140 you to

00:24:32.420 investigate

00:24:32.800 that.

00:24:33.240 I said, sir,

00:24:33.660 that's up

00:24:33.960 to you, but

00:24:35.160 you'd want to

00:24:35.600 be careful

00:24:36.720 about that

00:24:37.360 because it

00:24:38.020 might create

00:24:38.640 a narrative

00:24:39.060 that we're

00:24:39.380 investigating you

00:24:40.040 personally.

00:24:41.220 And second,

00:24:41.940 it's very

00:24:42.660 difficult to

00:24:43.320 prove something

00:24:43.900 didn't happen.

00:24:45.060 Did you

00:24:45.280 believe his

00:24:45.840 denial?

00:24:46.640 Honestly, never

00:24:47.300 thought these

00:24:47.720 words would

00:24:48.120 come out of

00:24:48.460 my mouth,

00:24:48.900 but I don't

00:24:49.480 know whether

00:24:49.940 the current

00:24:51.300 president of

00:24:51.720 the United

00:24:51.840 States was

00:24:52.300 with prostitutes

00:24:53.260 peeing on

00:24:53.680 each other in

00:24:54.160 Moscow in

00:24:54.640 2013.

00:24:55.580 It's possible.

00:24:57.000 Oh, he's

00:24:58.460 such a

00:24:58.900 scoundrel,

00:24:59.740 Matt.

00:25:01.160 Yeah, and

00:25:02.100 I, we

00:25:04.320 have to

00:25:04.700 remember that

00:25:05.740 the material

00:25:06.820 that eventually

00:25:07.740 came out in

00:25:08.720 the Justice

00:25:09.120 Department

00:25:09.740 Inspector

00:25:10.700 General's

00:25:12.000 report about

00:25:13.080 the Steele

00:25:13.500 dossier in

00:25:14.880 2019 showed

00:25:17.120 that the

00:25:17.460 FBI already

00:25:18.420 knew as

00:25:19.300 early as

00:25:20.000 early 2017

00:25:21.580 that there

00:25:22.300 were serious

00:25:22.980 problems with

00:25:23.720 that report

00:25:24.340 that the

00:25:25.480 most crucial

00:25:27.520 elements of

00:25:28.360 it, like

00:25:28.640 the pee

00:25:29.040 tape, like

00:25:29.660 the allegations

00:25:30.300 of sexual

00:25:30.960 blackmail,

00:25:32.060 that they

00:25:32.440 were made

00:25:32.880 in, quote,

00:25:33.460 jest with

00:25:34.520 friends over

00:25:35.420 beers, and

00:25:37.580 that these

00:25:38.560 were just

00:25:39.220 just

00:25:40.060 conversation,

00:25:41.140 that it

00:25:41.300 was internet

00:25:41.780 rumor.

00:25:43.860 All this

00:25:44.720 stuff had

00:25:45.060 already been

00:25:45.500 gathered by

00:25:46.600 post-factum

00:25:48.120 by FBI

00:25:48.800 investigators

00:25:49.600 early in

00:25:52.140 2017, so

00:25:53.700 they knew

00:25:54.100 that this

00:25:54.480 story wasn't

00:25:55.140 true.

00:25:56.100 They had

00:25:56.460 very solid

00:25:57.140 evidence that

00:25:57.860 the entire

00:25:58.380 thing was a

00:25:58.920 problem.

00:25:59.200 They had

00:25:59.380 already fired

00:26:00.180 Steele as

00:26:00.740 a source for

00:26:01.360 lying to

00:26:01.820 them about

00:26:02.200 talking to

00:26:02.640 the media.

00:26:03.860 So for

00:26:05.100 them to go

00:26:05.640 out on a

00:26:06.020 limb about

00:26:06.400 this story

00:26:06.940 that they

00:26:07.340 knew had

00:26:07.800 no backing

00:26:08.460 is incredible,

00:26:11.280 frankly.

00:26:12.480 Okay, but

00:26:12.760 now what's

00:26:13.420 happening is

00:26:14.320 everyone from

00:26:15.340 the Pod Save

00:26:16.260 America guys

00:26:17.000 who, they

00:26:18.520 looked at our

00:26:18.940 segment the

00:26:19.400 other day,

00:26:20.240 which the

00:26:20.760 great Molly

00:26:21.200 Hemingway

00:26:21.580 retweeted,

00:26:22.580 and one of

00:26:24.160 them said,

00:26:24.520 I'm very

00:26:24.800 disappointed in

00:26:25.500 you, to

00:26:25.800 me.

00:26:26.180 I expected

00:26:27.180 better, which

00:26:27.920 shows you and

00:26:28.740 I are right

00:26:29.140 over the

00:26:29.420 right target.

00:26:30.060 We're doing

00:26:30.300 things exactly

00:26:30.980 right.

00:26:32.040 They're all

00:26:32.800 in this.

00:26:33.340 They're Obama

00:26:33.860 guys.

00:26:34.280 They're Obama

00:26:34.740 loyalists.

00:26:35.440 So they're

00:26:36.180 out there.

00:26:37.440 There's

00:26:37.920 Annie McCarthy

00:26:38.640 and there are

00:26:39.520 others who

00:26:40.480 are defending

00:26:41.280 the position

00:26:43.160 that this is

00:26:43.780 all made

00:26:44.380 up by

00:26:44.960 Gabbard by

00:26:46.200 pointing to

00:26:47.160 the Senate

00:26:48.680 intel

00:26:49.280 report that

00:26:51.080 came out

00:26:51.680 in 2020.

00:26:54.600 It was a

00:26:56.380 Senate intel

00:26:57.260 report chaired

00:26:58.120 by Marco

00:26:58.820 Rubio that

00:26:59.640 everybody keeps

00:27:00.380 pointing out.

00:27:01.520 And the

00:27:01.800 left keeps

00:27:02.320 citing this

00:27:03.040 because they

00:27:04.180 say it came

00:27:04.660 to the same

00:27:05.100 conclusions as

00:27:07.020 the intelligence

00:27:09.260 community

00:27:09.640 assessment.

00:27:10.040 It backed

00:27:11.380 up that bogus

00:27:12.860 intelligence

00:27:13.500 community

00:27:14.040 assessment.

00:27:15.220 I've read

00:27:15.920 Molly Hemingway

00:27:16.540 on this.

00:27:17.240 She has

00:27:17.540 serious

00:27:17.820 questions about

00:27:18.540 that Senate

00:27:19.140 intel

00:27:19.680 investigation

00:27:20.760 and believes

00:27:22.320 and would like

00:27:23.000 to know further

00:27:23.620 but believes

00:27:24.340 it was likely

00:27:24.920 just a rubber

00:27:25.420 stamp.

00:27:26.340 Like what

00:27:26.640 did the

00:27:27.220 Senate really

00:27:27.600 have its

00:27:27.900 own independent

00:27:28.640 intel sources

00:27:29.420 beyond what

00:27:29.980 the CIA had

00:27:30.860 beyond what

00:27:31.440 the FBI

00:27:31.860 had that it

00:27:33.160 was using

00:27:33.600 for this

00:27:33.940 or did

00:27:34.180 they really

00:27:34.560 just use

00:27:35.020 the same

00:27:35.580 pathetic

00:27:36.680 sources that

00:27:37.420 Brennan

00:27:37.760 used?

00:27:38.360 We don't

00:27:38.820 know.

00:27:39.100 but you

00:27:39.780 have reported

00:27:41.160 we have

00:27:41.520 serious reason

00:27:42.240 to doubt

00:27:42.920 the integrity

00:27:44.040 and vigor

00:27:45.560 behind that

00:27:46.840 Senate intel

00:27:47.980 report.

00:27:49.320 Tell us why.

00:27:51.120 Well for one

00:27:51.600 thing a lot

00:27:52.100 of that report

00:27:52.880 hangs on

00:27:54.440 this assessment

00:27:55.880 that Konstantin

00:27:58.040 Kalimnik

00:27:58.700 an aide

00:27:59.600 to

00:28:00.560 Paul Manafort

00:28:02.860 a Russian

00:28:03.760 Ukrainian

00:28:04.280 aide

00:28:05.460 and Trump's

00:28:07.000 campaign manager

00:28:07.600 for a time.

00:28:09.100 Right an aide

00:28:10.100 to Trump's

00:28:10.560 campaign manager.

00:28:13.180 They just

00:28:14.040 flat out

00:28:14.460 call him

00:28:14.920 a Russian

00:28:15.280 intelligence

00:28:15.800 officer.

00:28:16.480 Now the

00:28:16.960 previous

00:28:17.340 investigations

00:28:18.080 had not

00:28:19.060 gone so

00:28:19.540 far.

00:28:20.240 Mueller

00:28:20.460 said he

00:28:20.900 had links

00:28:21.480 to Russian

00:28:22.240 intelligence.

00:28:23.820 They left

00:28:24.700 out the

00:28:25.040 fact that

00:28:25.480 he was

00:28:26.100 a long

00:28:26.480 serving

00:28:26.940 employee

00:28:28.200 of the

00:28:28.620 International

00:28:29.000 Republican

00:28:29.600 Institute

00:28:30.160 that he

00:28:30.880 was also

00:28:31.360 a source

00:28:31.960 a regular

00:28:32.920 source

00:28:33.680 in writing

00:28:34.440 for the

00:28:36.300 U.S.

00:28:36.620 embassy in

00:28:37.120 Kiev that

00:28:37.840 he had

00:28:38.280 extensive

00:28:38.800 correspondence

00:28:39.400 with people

00:28:39.920 there.

00:28:40.640 But most

00:28:41.040 shockingly

00:28:42.160 of all

00:28:42.600 they didn't

00:28:43.480 even contact

00:28:44.340 Kalimnik

00:28:45.880 or attempt

00:28:46.540 to interview

00:28:47.060 him.

00:28:47.580 His phone

00:28:48.020 was

00:28:48.340 public

00:28:48.700 right the

00:28:50.140 Senate

00:28:50.380 and

00:28:52.000 which was

00:28:54.240 strange because

00:28:54.860 the U.S.

00:28:55.480 government had

00:28:55.840 a relationship

00:28:56.400 with him

00:28:56.960 a long-standing

00:28:57.720 relationship

00:28:58.240 with him.

00:28:59.340 Why not

00:28:59.660 call the

00:29:00.080 guy?

00:29:01.280 Again his

00:29:01.640 phone number

00:29:02.360 was published

00:29:02.920 in a previous

00:29:03.480 investigation.

00:29:04.800 Aaron Mate

00:29:05.280 was the

00:29:05.720 first person

00:29:06.280 to give

00:29:06.540 him a

00:29:06.740 call

00:29:06.980 in the

00:29:08.220 media.

00:29:09.000 I think

00:29:09.640 I was

00:29:09.980 the second

00:29:10.440 and no

00:29:10.980 one else

00:29:11.300 did.

00:29:12.640 And it's

00:29:14.560 a thing

00:29:15.660 that has

00:29:16.180 gone on

00:29:16.840 consistently

00:29:17.600 with these

00:29:18.120 investigations

00:29:18.640 where they'll

00:29:19.200 identify somebody

00:29:20.320 like Julian

00:29:20.880 Assange

00:29:21.420 who was

00:29:22.400 eminently

00:29:22.920 approachable

00:29:23.440 at the time

00:29:26.200 and did

00:29:27.740 not attempt

00:29:28.360 to reach

00:29:28.740 out.

00:29:29.280 But more

00:29:29.540 than that

00:29:29.880 they never

00:29:30.260 presented any

00:29:30.960 evidence for

00:29:31.620 their

00:29:31.780 assessment

00:29:32.220 that he

00:29:32.700 was a

00:29:33.240 Russian

00:29:33.860 intelligence

00:29:34.380 officer.

00:29:35.420 And we'd

00:29:35.680 like to

00:29:35.980 see that.

00:29:36.860 It's not

00:29:37.480 impossible.

00:29:38.480 Of course

00:29:39.080 there are

00:29:39.760 lots of

00:29:40.120 people who

00:29:40.480 do work

00:29:40.980 as aides

00:29:42.340 and translators

00:29:43.120 overseas who

00:29:44.080 have contacts

00:29:44.880 with the

00:29:46.100 various bureaus.

00:29:47.300 But we need

00:29:47.680 to see that.

00:29:48.980 They just

00:29:49.720 say we

00:29:50.200 assess and

00:29:51.460 that's it.

00:29:52.160 And it's

00:29:52.700 behind closed

00:29:53.320 doors and

00:29:53.700 we see how

00:29:54.180 much that's

00:29:54.680 worth with

00:29:55.400 this intelligence

00:29:56.560 community

00:29:57.000 assessment.

00:29:57.700 Right?

00:29:58.240 Yeah.

00:29:58.380 How did

00:29:58.740 they assess

00:29:59.220 it?

00:29:59.520 Because you

00:29:59.760 point out over

00:30:00.540 at Racket

00:30:00.940 News.

00:30:02.160 In

00:30:02.640 speaking to

00:30:03.180 him,

00:30:04.240 let's see,

00:30:04.960 the question

00:30:05.300 was how

00:30:05.900 many times

00:30:06.540 was he

00:30:06.820 questioned

00:30:07.100 by American

00:30:07.600 authorities?

00:30:09.300 And his

00:30:11.060 answer was

00:30:11.460 not a

00:30:11.720 single person

00:30:12.360 from the

00:30:12.880 U.S.

00:30:13.120 government

00:30:13.400 has ever

00:30:14.320 reached out

00:30:15.000 to me.

00:30:15.480 Not one.

00:30:16.180 No one

00:30:16.380 from the

00:30:16.640 Office of

00:30:16.960 Special

00:30:17.160 Counsel,

00:30:17.580 the FBI,

00:30:18.200 or the

00:30:18.480 Senate

00:30:18.640 Intel

00:30:18.940 Committee

00:30:19.240 ever

00:30:20.040 contacted

00:30:20.680 him.

00:30:21.440 Not

00:30:21.920 once.

00:30:22.700 Nobody.

00:30:23.700 So

00:30:23.840 this guy

00:30:25.140 is integral

00:30:25.880 to the

00:30:26.540 Senate

00:30:26.800 Intel

00:30:27.280 Committee

00:30:27.560 report

00:30:28.060 that Obama's

00:30:29.440 defenders are

00:30:30.040 now using

00:30:30.660 to say,

00:30:31.100 because they

00:30:31.540 are all

00:30:32.340 using this

00:30:33.080 report by

00:30:33.640 the Senate

00:30:34.040 saying they

00:30:34.880 found the

00:30:35.300 same thing

00:30:35.880 as that

00:30:36.360 January 17

00:30:37.580 ICA.

00:30:38.320 And therefore,

00:30:39.980 this is all a

00:30:41.100 nothing burger.

00:30:41.800 And your point

00:30:42.300 is you can put

00:30:43.300 no stock in

00:30:44.260 that Senate

00:30:45.000 Intel Committee

00:30:45.720 report.

00:30:46.160 I think it's

00:30:48.780 proof that the

00:30:49.960 original ICA

00:30:51.800 is bunk

00:30:52.620 because they

00:30:54.160 had to do

00:30:54.660 a completely

00:30:55.280 new

00:30:55.960 investigation

00:30:57.000 and not

00:30:58.760 use any

00:30:59.340 of the

00:31:00.000 intel

00:31:00.480 from the

00:31:02.180 2017

00:31:03.020 Intelligence

00:31:03.720 Community

00:31:04.120 Assessment

00:31:04.580 to come to

00:31:05.600 the same

00:31:05.920 conclusion.

00:31:06.640 Like,

00:31:06.780 what does

00:31:06.980 that tell

00:31:07.380 you?

00:31:08.040 Like,

00:31:08.720 if a

00:31:08.920 prosecution

00:31:09.300 brings an

00:31:10.200 entirely new

00:31:10.900 case in

00:31:11.980 a criminal

00:31:12.460 court and

00:31:13.340 says,

00:31:13.600 yeah,

00:31:13.700 we're not

00:31:14.020 going to use

00:31:14.340 any of the

00:31:14.720 evidence from

00:31:15.220 that first

00:31:15.700 prosecution

00:31:16.220 that we

00:31:16.540 brought.

00:31:17.540 Wouldn't

00:31:18.020 you have a

00:31:18.560 few thoughts

00:31:19.380 about those

00:31:20.180 prosecutors

00:31:20.760 and what

00:31:21.240 they were

00:31:21.500 up to?

00:31:23.540 That's what

00:31:24.120 happened in

00:31:24.580 this case.

00:31:25.040 And it

00:31:25.220 wasn't just

00:31:25.700 one investigation.

00:31:26.600 There were

00:31:26.780 many of

00:31:27.360 them,

00:31:27.580 right?

00:31:27.880 So the

00:31:29.720 whole thing,

00:31:30.280 I don't

00:31:30.820 think it

00:31:31.160 holds water.

00:31:31.740 I think

00:31:31.980 that 2020

00:31:32.560 assessment is

00:31:33.500 deeply flawed.

00:31:34.220 It also

00:31:34.660 hangs

00:31:36.260 significantly

00:31:38.280 on Lisa

00:31:38.820 Monaco,

00:31:39.460 who is one

00:31:39.940 of the

00:31:40.140 figures who

00:31:41.020 is in the

00:31:41.400 middle of

00:31:42.260 this original

00:31:43.380 December 8th

00:31:44.520 decision.

00:31:45.840 Her name's

00:31:46.560 on that

00:31:46.860 piece of

00:31:47.160 paper.

00:31:48.160 She's a

00:31:48.700 nightmare.

00:31:49.900 This woman

00:31:50.540 is an

00:31:51.060 obvious

00:31:51.520 partisan

00:31:52.200 hack.

00:31:52.640 We saw

00:31:53.000 that

00:31:53.240 throughout

00:31:53.640 the last

00:31:55.600 two

00:31:55.860 Democratic

00:31:56.300 administrations,

00:31:57.400 her work

00:31:57.760 at DOJ.

00:31:58.680 She was

00:31:59.000 one of the

00:31:59.300 ones accused

00:31:59.860 of covering

00:32:00.460 up the

00:32:00.780 entire

00:32:01.080 Hunter Biden

00:32:01.660 scandal,

00:32:02.560 running

00:32:02.760 cover for

00:32:03.260 him,

00:32:03.820 trying to

00:32:04.160 pull back

00:32:04.700 those IRS

00:32:05.380 agents who

00:32:06.040 were onto

00:32:06.400 his tracks.

00:32:08.700 This person

00:32:09.400 is not

00:32:09.760 somebody we

00:32:10.220 should be

00:32:10.460 putting any

00:32:10.900 faith in.

00:32:11.440 also in

00:32:12.920 this latest

00:32:14.000 House report,

00:32:14.760 they talk

00:32:15.100 about how

00:32:15.720 they also

00:32:17.940 in the

00:32:18.480 House,

00:32:19.160 this is the

00:32:19.500 House in

00:32:19.780 2020,

00:32:20.280 pointing out

00:32:20.660 that the

00:32:21.060 ICA of

00:32:22.240 2017

00:32:23.020 ignored

00:32:24.700 evidence that

00:32:25.420 Putin

00:32:25.820 seemed to

00:32:27.320 be protecting

00:32:28.300 Hillary Clinton

00:32:29.640 in a couple

00:32:30.620 of ways.

00:32:31.320 It did not

00:32:32.180 mention,

00:32:32.580 for example,

00:32:33.040 that Putin

00:32:33.520 chose not to

00:32:34.640 leak info he

00:32:35.500 appeared to

00:32:36.420 have on

00:32:37.520 Hillary Clinton's

00:32:38.160 health,

00:32:38.580 including that

00:32:39.100 he suffered

00:32:39.540 from psycho

00:32:40.640 emotional

00:32:41.200 problems and

00:32:42.360 was on

00:32:42.780 daily

00:32:43.140 tranquilizers.

00:32:44.340 We don't

00:32:44.920 know whether

00:32:45.280 that's true.

00:32:46.260 We know

00:32:46.540 that Putin

00:32:47.420 appeared to

00:32:48.000 have that

00:32:48.540 intel in

00:32:49.240 his pocket

00:32:49.820 and chose

00:32:51.120 not to

00:32:52.200 share it.

00:32:52.800 And the

00:32:53.060 relevant point

00:32:53.820 here,

00:32:54.240 Matt,

00:32:54.400 is that

00:32:54.780 the ICA

00:32:56.980 didn't mention,

00:32:57.900 they knew

00:32:58.320 that he had

00:32:58.840 that in his

00:32:59.260 pocket and

00:32:59.860 it didn't

00:33:00.400 mention that

00:33:01.460 he did not

00:33:01.940 release it.

00:33:02.460 This is the

00:33:02.800 man so

00:33:03.220 determined to

00:33:04.200 help Trump

00:33:04.760 win and

00:33:05.560 he's got

00:33:05.840 evidence that

00:33:06.320 she's on

00:33:06.720 daily

00:33:07.900 tranquilizers

00:33:08.620 and has

00:33:08.960 psycho-emotional

00:33:09.580 problems,

00:33:10.120 but he

00:33:10.320 doesn't

00:33:10.580 release it?

00:33:12.000 He doesn't

00:33:13.000 release it

00:33:13.540 even after

00:33:14.220 being briefed

00:33:16.480 by the

00:33:17.320 GRU,

00:33:17.980 Army Intelligence,

00:33:19.180 that Trump

00:33:20.160 was likely

00:33:21.120 not going to

00:33:21.720 win the

00:33:22.020 election

00:33:22.340 absent a

00:33:23.300 quote,

00:33:23.600 remarkable

00:33:24.160 intervention

00:33:24.860 of derogatory

00:33:26.260 information

00:33:26.960 against Hillary

00:33:28.220 Clinton.

00:33:29.140 And they

00:33:29.660 had that

00:33:30.680 kind of

00:33:30.980 derogatory

00:33:31.680 information or

00:33:33.120 at least

00:33:33.360 thought they

00:33:33.820 had it.

00:33:34.880 And here's

00:33:35.860 the really

00:33:36.280 interesting

00:33:36.720 thing, I

00:33:37.920 think,

00:33:38.580 Megan,

00:33:39.200 which is

00:33:39.520 that this

00:33:40.780 material that

00:33:41.660 he had was

00:33:42.860 a large

00:33:43.520 trove of

00:33:44.460 hacked

00:33:44.880 correspondents

00:33:46.240 centered around,

00:33:48.120 it appears,

00:33:49.820 the Democratic

00:33:50.240 National

00:33:50.720 Committee,

00:33:52.140 Hillary Clinton,

00:33:53.560 a number of

00:33:54.120 members of

00:33:54.640 Congress,

00:33:55.340 including

00:33:55.680 Debbie Wasserman

00:33:56.400 Schultz.

00:33:57.680 And it's

00:33:58.900 the same

00:33:59.480 stuff that

00:34:01.100 came out

00:34:03.060 in a

00:34:03.220 declassified

00:34:03.860 report earlier

00:34:05.120 this week

00:34:05.880 with regard

00:34:07.220 to the

00:34:09.620 mid-year

00:34:10.560 exam email

00:34:11.640 investigation.

00:34:13.000 So there's

00:34:13.460 this weird

00:34:13.840 tie between

00:34:14.380 the two

00:34:14.660 investigations.

00:34:15.300 But the

00:34:15.520 point is,

00:34:16.180 they had a

00:34:16.740 lot of

00:34:16.980 stuff they

00:34:17.420 could have

00:34:17.720 leaked about

00:34:18.240 Hillary,

00:34:18.660 and they

00:34:20.180 chose not

00:34:20.700 to do it

00:34:21.280 largely because

00:34:22.700 it appears

00:34:23.180 they expected

00:34:23.900 Hillary to

00:34:24.580 win and

00:34:25.240 were holding

00:34:25.760 in reserve

00:34:26.420 the best

00:34:26.900 stuff for

00:34:28.180 the presidents.

00:34:29.780 Right,

00:34:30.500 exactly.

00:34:31.000 All of which

00:34:31.400 was known

00:34:32.520 by these

00:34:33.260 intel

00:34:33.640 officials

00:34:34.000 drafting

00:34:34.360 this report

00:34:34.900 but concealed.

00:34:36.580 Meanwhile,

00:34:37.880 all this

00:34:39.080 other flimsy

00:34:40.100 documentation

00:34:41.360 or material

00:34:41.880 on whether

00:34:42.540 there was

00:34:42.940 an aspiration

00:34:43.520 to help

00:34:43.820 Trump made

00:34:44.740 it in over

00:34:45.460 the objections

00:34:46.160 of the core

00:34:46.860 intel analysts.

00:34:48.200 All right,

00:34:48.360 so Matt,

00:34:48.700 where does

00:34:48.980 this go from

00:34:49.480 here?

00:34:49.880 Because Tulsi

00:34:51.280 mentions treason,

00:34:52.500 Trump mentions

00:34:53.420 treason,

00:34:54.440 treason is very

00:34:55.540 narrowly defined

00:34:56.640 under the law.

00:34:57.800 It's basically

00:34:58.220 aiding or

00:34:58.860 abetting an

00:34:59.640 enemy of the

00:35:00.180 United States

00:35:00.680 are trying

00:35:00.980 to overthrow

00:35:01.560 the U.S.

00:35:02.100 government.

00:35:03.480 I mean,

00:35:03.640 I see the

00:35:04.020 argument,

00:35:04.700 but that's

00:35:05.200 a stretch.

00:35:06.060 And also,

00:35:07.760 there's a

00:35:08.260 question about

00:35:08.660 whether other

00:35:09.180 lesser crimes

00:35:10.020 are even

00:35:11.040 viable now

00:35:11.780 given the

00:35:12.140 statute of

00:35:12.480 limitations

00:35:12.800 issues and

00:35:13.480 given the

00:35:13.920 U.S.

00:35:14.260 Supreme Court

00:35:14.640 ruling on

00:35:15.220 immunity for

00:35:16.340 a president

00:35:16.900 for official

00:35:18.020 acts taken

00:35:18.540 while in

00:35:18.880 office.

00:35:19.140 So where

00:35:19.380 does this

00:35:19.640 go from

00:35:19.960 here?

00:35:20.560 Because it's

00:35:21.220 been referred

00:35:21.640 to the

00:35:21.880 DOJ by

00:35:22.440 Tulsi

00:35:22.700 Gabbard.

00:35:24.020 It has

00:35:24.960 and Emily

00:35:26.640 gestion

00:35:27.040 gestion

00:35:27.900 ski yesterday

00:35:28.640 in a

00:35:29.300 press conference

00:35:31.220 asked Tulsi

00:35:32.080 about criminal

00:35:33.300 charges and

00:35:33.960 where they

00:35:34.240 might be

00:35:34.620 headed.

00:35:35.400 I thought

00:35:35.780 it was

00:35:36.120 very

00:35:36.340 interesting

00:35:36.780 that Tulsi

00:35:37.760 went out

00:35:38.120 of her

00:35:38.340 way in

00:35:38.920 response to

00:35:39.920 some of

00:35:40.200 those questions

00:35:40.780 to point

00:35:41.260 out that

00:35:41.820 we've

00:35:42.720 determined

00:35:43.100 that Barack

00:35:43.760 Obama

00:35:44.160 directed the

00:35:44.900 manufacturer of

00:35:45.820 this intelligence.

00:35:46.560 so that

00:35:48.800 sounds to me

00:35:50.040 like there's

00:35:50.700 some kind

00:35:51.180 of conspiracy

00:35:53.100 or RICO

00:35:53.800 style case

00:35:54.480 that they're

00:35:54.840 thinking of

00:35:55.340 but I don't

00:35:55.700 know what

00:35:56.000 that would

00:35:56.280 be.

00:35:56.620 Honestly,

00:35:57.080 I've had

00:35:57.460 no luck

00:35:57.960 at all

00:35:58.420 figuring out

00:35:59.580 what the

00:36:00.920 you know,

00:36:01.820 clearly it's

00:36:02.280 going to be

00:36:02.560 a conspiracy

00:36:03.120 case but

00:36:03.700 conspiracy to

00:36:04.400 do what?

00:36:04.980 I'm not

00:36:05.540 sure.

00:36:06.460 And when

00:36:07.640 I posited

00:36:08.260 the idea

00:36:08.900 of perjury

00:36:11.180 cases because

00:36:12.000 some of them

00:36:13.140 seem pretty

00:36:13.640 obvious even

00:36:14.820 though the

00:36:15.480 statute of

00:36:16.600 limitations

00:36:16.980 has expired

00:36:17.640 the response

00:36:20.120 has been

00:36:20.380 pretty tepid

00:36:21.000 so I don't

00:36:21.820 know.

00:36:22.160 I don't know

00:36:22.840 what kind

00:36:23.680 of case

00:36:23.980 they think

00:36:24.400 they're

00:36:24.580 building but

00:36:25.520 they seem

00:36:25.920 pretty confident

00:36:26.560 that they're

00:36:27.100 ready to

00:36:27.460 turn it over

00:36:27.920 to or that

00:36:28.700 there's enough

00:36:30.100 to already

00:36:30.860 turn over

00:36:31.420 to a

00:36:31.700 prosecutor.

00:36:33.280 Yeah,

00:36:33.580 generally the

00:36:34.640 statute of

00:36:34.960 limitations

00:36:35.240 on perjury

00:36:35.800 will be

00:36:36.180 like a

00:36:36.600 year.

00:36:37.060 I think

00:36:37.260 it is.

00:36:37.580 It's very

00:36:37.780 low.

00:36:38.460 We're

00:36:38.660 definitely

00:36:38.880 past it.

00:36:40.020 And RICO,

00:36:41.000 I'm trying

00:36:41.240 to think,

00:36:41.500 it's either

00:36:41.720 five years

00:36:42.240 or ten at

00:36:42.640 the outset

00:36:43.020 which would

00:36:44.420 be,

00:36:44.640 we'd be

00:36:45.000 past that

00:36:45.560 two.

00:36:46.780 We'd be

00:36:47.280 past five.

00:36:49.840 I'm pretty

00:36:50.400 sure it is

00:36:50.800 five.

00:36:51.120 We're looking

00:36:51.400 it up now

00:36:51.840 but in any

00:36:52.260 event,

00:36:53.640 oh,

00:36:54.340 it looks

00:36:54.480 like it's

00:36:54.740 four.

00:36:55.200 Okay,

00:36:55.360 my team's

00:36:55.720 telling me

00:36:55.980 it's four.

00:36:56.480 So we're

00:36:56.680 definitely

00:36:56.880 past the

00:36:57.720 RICO statute

00:36:58.260 of limitations.

00:36:58.980 So I'm

00:36:59.240 not,

00:36:59.800 my own

00:37:00.140 initial reaction

00:37:01.060 to this

00:37:01.460 without having

00:37:01.920 done the

00:37:02.280 legal research

00:37:02.980 yet is

00:37:03.540 it's not

00:37:04.860 going to be

00:37:05.140 a legal case.

00:37:06.140 It's going

00:37:06.520 to be,

00:37:07.180 it's a

00:37:07.520 public scandal.

00:37:08.620 But the

00:37:08.960 problem for

00:37:09.380 the Trump

00:37:09.660 administration

00:37:10.000 is the

00:37:10.880 same media

00:37:11.700 who

00:37:12.260 participated

00:37:12.940 willingly and

00:37:14.240 knowingly in

00:37:15.040 some cases

00:37:15.640 in the

00:37:16.420 scandal are

00:37:17.300 the ones

00:37:17.640 now being

00:37:18.080 asked to

00:37:19.020 report on

00:37:20.000 their own

00:37:20.420 malfeasance.

00:37:22.320 Yeah,

00:37:22.980 I don't

00:37:24.980 know.

00:37:25.680 I've been

00:37:26.240 assured that

00:37:26.820 it's not a

00:37:27.340 hearts and

00:37:27.760 minds thing

00:37:28.280 that they're

00:37:28.560 trying to

00:37:28.980 do now,

00:37:30.220 that they're

00:37:30.600 true,

00:37:30.800 that they're

00:37:31.060 actually trying

00:37:31.580 to build

00:37:31.860 cases.

00:37:33.080 So I

00:37:34.200 just don't

00:37:34.600 know what

00:37:34.900 I'm sure

00:37:35.300 they've done

00:37:35.620 more legal

00:37:36.000 research on

00:37:36.540 it than

00:37:36.900 I have,

00:37:37.460 which is

00:37:37.720 zero.

00:37:38.880 Yeah,

00:37:39.080 and I

00:37:39.520 haven't really

00:37:40.040 either yet.

00:37:41.200 So it's

00:37:42.860 been enough

00:37:43.660 to try

00:37:44.000 to keep

00:37:44.340 pace

00:37:44.780 with what

00:37:45.260 has come

00:37:45.820 out.

00:37:46.760 Right.

00:37:47.840 But clearly

00:37:49.240 they have

00:37:50.420 something in

00:37:51.040 mind.

00:37:51.820 There are

00:37:52.080 already

00:37:52.480 referrals that

00:37:53.520 have been

00:37:53.920 made for

00:37:55.280 criminal

00:37:55.580 cases to

00:37:57.520 be opened.

00:37:58.400 So clearly

00:38:01.480 they've conceived

00:38:02.280 of what they

00:38:02.860 think might be

00:38:03.560 a charge and

00:38:04.680 have directed

00:38:05.380 investigators to

00:38:07.400 go gathering

00:38:08.020 evidence for

00:38:09.060 that or

00:38:10.240 assembling that

00:38:10.980 for a

00:38:11.300 prosecutor.

00:38:11.980 So we'll

00:38:13.560 see.

00:38:13.900 We'll see what

00:38:14.280 pans out.

00:38:15.600 Yeah.

00:38:15.940 I mean,

00:38:16.280 listen,

00:38:16.660 those prosecutors

00:38:17.280 who went

00:38:17.680 after Trump

00:38:18.280 were extremely

00:38:19.220 clever and

00:38:20.020 creative in

00:38:21.360 coming up with

00:38:21.980 something.

00:38:23.200 And we'll see

00:38:23.740 whether the

00:38:24.360 Trump administration

00:38:24.920 is equally

00:38:25.800 creative on

00:38:27.220 what is an

00:38:27.920 actual scandal,

00:38:29.260 unlike what

00:38:29.680 they did to

00:38:30.060 him.

00:38:30.560 Matt,

00:38:30.880 thanks for

00:38:31.240 everything.

00:38:31.620 Everybody's

00:38:31.960 got to check

00:38:32.300 out Racket

00:38:32.780 News.

00:38:33.680 Well worth

00:38:34.340 your time and

00:38:34.840 so informational.

00:38:35.860 All the best.

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00:40:28.660 Guys,

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00:40:41.260 Yes, yes.

00:40:42.300 Can you believe

00:40:43.660 this story?

00:40:45.300 It gets crazier

00:40:46.620 and crazier now.

00:40:48.380 The House report

00:40:49.840 exposing

00:40:50.980 the flimsy evidence,

00:40:52.920 and I use that term loosely,

00:40:54.740 underlying the 2017

00:40:56.400 ICA

00:40:57.480 was shoved in a vault

00:40:59.040 over at CIA.

00:41:00.560 It took Trump intervening

00:41:02.140 to get it out,

00:41:03.800 and now we see

00:41:04.920 why the Democrats

00:41:06.920 appear to have been

00:41:08.100 actively concealing it

00:41:09.620 for years.

00:41:11.120 They did not want

00:41:11.880 this thing to see

00:41:12.520 the light of day

00:41:13.140 because they've been

00:41:14.640 lying to us

00:41:15.780 for a long, long time.

00:41:17.180 That's how it looks.

00:41:18.520 Yeah, I mean,

00:41:19.240 look, this is a story

00:41:20.400 that is especially

00:41:21.260 frustrating to the fellows

00:41:22.620 here because I think

00:41:23.840 we've landed on this

00:41:24.680 conclusion years ago.

00:41:27.540 All of the evidence

00:41:28.720 pointed and all the facts

00:41:30.080 that we knew

00:41:30.740 pointed to a very

00:41:33.120 concerted effort

00:41:33.960 by then-CIA

00:41:35.660 Director Brennan

00:41:36.800 in concert

00:41:38.060 with the Clinton campaign

00:41:39.520 and a bunch

00:41:40.880 of other operatives

00:41:41.820 within DOJ,

00:41:43.180 FBI,

00:41:44.520 and in the White House

00:41:45.780 that basically

00:41:47.280 were trying to

00:41:47.740 manipulate a narrative

00:41:48.660 here that would help

00:41:50.120 Clinton towards the end

00:41:51.560 of what they thought

00:41:52.200 was going to be

00:41:52.640 a victorious

00:41:53.280 2016 election.

00:41:55.660 And I think

00:41:56.920 the only question

00:41:57.440 that we've always

00:41:58.120 had here

00:41:59.000 is whether or not

00:41:59.900 they thought

00:42:00.660 they were going

00:42:00.960 to get their hands

00:42:01.540 caught in the cookie jar

00:42:03.320 and that's why

00:42:04.200 they kept perpetuating

00:42:05.440 the narrative

00:42:06.440 and tried to cover

00:42:07.140 their tracks

00:42:07.640 or whether this was

00:42:08.460 just solely an effort

00:42:09.640 to delegitimize

00:42:11.340 the Trump administration

00:42:12.520 in their early days

00:42:14.260 and that they just

00:42:14.820 kept it going

00:42:15.740 on and on.

00:42:16.760 But there was never

00:42:17.740 really any evidence

00:42:19.380 and we found it

00:42:20.100 in the Mueller report.

00:42:20.860 There was never

00:42:22.140 really any evidence

00:42:23.340 that there was

00:42:23.940 this basis

00:42:24.600 of Russian support

00:42:25.900 for Donald Trump

00:42:26.840 in which they were

00:42:27.520 trying to sway

00:42:28.100 the election.

00:42:29.180 I mean,

00:42:29.360 Duncan talks about

00:42:30.020 this all the time

00:42:30.760 but it boiled down

00:42:31.460 to $100,000 worth

00:42:32.680 of Facebook ads

00:42:33.880 in a campaign

00:42:34.880 that was running

00:42:35.460 $100,000 a minute.

00:42:36.960 Right.

00:42:37.180 I mean,

00:42:37.460 like between Clinton

00:42:38.400 and Trump

00:42:39.680 they were spending

00:42:40.600 like hundreds

00:42:41.780 of millions

00:42:42.340 of dollars

00:42:42.920 on Facebook

00:42:43.700 and the idea

00:42:44.420 that Donald Trump

00:42:45.060 would have to

00:42:45.560 outsource

00:42:46.180 his Facebook strategy

00:42:47.720 spending $100,000

00:42:49.080 to the Kremlin

00:42:50.060 is just a patently

00:42:50.920 absurd thing.

00:42:52.040 Right.

00:42:52.540 And it was all

00:42:53.460 sort of absurd

00:42:54.280 and the basis

00:42:55.280 of all this

00:42:55.860 being the dossier

00:42:56.880 in the first place

00:42:57.860 and Brennan

00:42:58.320 hiding that fact

00:42:59.280 or Comey

00:43:00.140 going to Trump Tower

00:43:01.320 and saying,

00:43:02.240 you know,

00:43:02.780 President-elect

00:43:03.580 Donald Trump,

00:43:04.680 congratulations.

00:43:05.660 Hey,

00:43:05.820 by the way,

00:43:06.700 did you pee

00:43:07.300 on some Russian

00:43:08.200 prostitutes?

00:43:09.900 You know,

00:43:10.680 they peed

00:43:10.980 on each other,

00:43:11.760 Duncan.

00:43:12.180 Please get it straight.

00:43:13.280 I want to make sure

00:43:14.340 I get that fake fact

00:43:15.460 straight,

00:43:16.120 Megan.

00:43:16.520 That's right.

00:43:17.160 You know,

00:43:18.260 but to never tell

00:43:19.600 Donald Trump

00:43:20.140 the provenance

00:43:20.960 of this dossier

00:43:21.980 during that interrogation

00:43:24.360 of what it was

00:43:25.200 and basically

00:43:26.360 just using it

00:43:27.280 as the premise

00:43:28.560 for then leaking

00:43:29.500 to the media

00:43:30.060 and starting

00:43:30.600 the Russiagate probe.

00:43:32.020 I mean,

00:43:32.340 it was cooked up

00:43:33.600 between our

00:43:34.680 intelligence agencies,

00:43:36.680 the Obama,

00:43:37.460 White House,

00:43:38.220 and the Hillary Clinton

00:43:38.980 campaign.

00:43:39.660 They said Russian

00:43:40.700 collusion for years

00:43:42.000 and in fact,

00:43:42.640 the collusion

00:43:43.080 was between

00:43:43.680 our own government

00:43:44.420 and the Clinton campaign.

00:43:45.900 OK,

00:43:47.040 but here's what

00:43:47.520 so Andy McCarthy

00:43:48.740 at National Review

00:43:49.540 is a skeptic

00:43:50.160 on this whole story

00:43:50.880 as you heard me

00:43:51.720 raise with Matt

00:43:52.420 and he keeps saying

00:43:54.380 we knew about collusion.

00:43:56.660 The collusion

00:43:57.060 was with Hillary

00:43:58.380 and Fusion GPS

00:44:00.660 who created

00:44:01.360 the phony steel dossier

00:44:02.520 and then managed

00:44:03.140 to get it used

00:44:03.800 by the intel agencies

00:44:04.840 to start an investigation

00:44:07.240 against Trump

00:44:08.080 suggesting he colluded

00:44:09.320 with Russia

00:44:10.140 to steal the election.

00:44:11.580 He's right

00:44:12.560 that that piece of it

00:44:14.200 has long been known.

00:44:16.480 What's happening now

00:44:17.460 is an entirely

00:44:18.160 different piece

00:44:19.020 which is equally pernicious.

00:44:22.040 All along,

00:44:23.120 we have just accepted

00:44:24.380 that Russia did interfere

00:44:26.820 in the election

00:44:27.700 to help Trump.

00:44:28.900 Like,

00:44:29.340 that's been

00:44:29.920 kind of an accepted thing.

00:44:31.880 And what skeptics

00:44:33.500 have been saying

00:44:34.100 all along

00:44:34.660 is that

00:44:35.200 they interfered

00:44:37.960 like barely

00:44:38.880 in the way

00:44:39.620 they had interfered

00:44:40.940 in many elections

00:44:42.620 prior to 16

00:44:43.640 and not just

00:44:45.020 in the United States

00:44:45.860 by the way

00:44:46.400 and that there's

00:44:47.600 zero proof

00:44:48.280 that they actually

00:44:48.940 wanted to help Trump

00:44:49.920 and they got

00:44:51.540 dumped on.

00:44:52.260 People like Taibbi,

00:44:53.680 Molly Hemingway,

00:44:54.980 Maria Bartiromo

00:44:55.840 got crapped

00:44:57.580 all over

00:44:58.380 for years

00:44:59.760 for saying

00:45:00.560 those two things

00:45:01.340 because when collusion

00:45:02.700 fell apart

00:45:03.320 the left held

00:45:04.200 onto those little darlings.

00:45:05.480 Well,

00:45:06.320 he did interfere

00:45:07.820 and he did it

00:45:09.500 to help Trump.

00:45:10.640 So it wasn't

00:45:11.120 a fair election.

00:45:11.900 They've been clinging

00:45:13.040 to them

00:45:13.460 just like,

00:45:13.960 you know,

00:45:14.200 your kids cling

00:45:15.000 to their little stuffies

00:45:16.300 in their cribs.

00:45:17.960 And now

00:45:19.060 those are falling apart

00:45:20.760 in spectacular fashion.

00:45:23.180 Those were

00:45:23.720 just as dishonest

00:45:25.500 distortions

00:45:26.460 as the collusion narrative.

00:45:28.600 The Russian interference

00:45:29.900 was barely there.

00:45:31.940 It was like

00:45:32.540 what Putin does

00:45:33.580 to everyone's elections.

00:45:34.540 So chaos.

00:45:35.980 Anybody he doesn't like.

00:45:37.860 Let's get

00:45:38.580 like some fake news

00:45:39.420 articles going.

00:45:40.180 Let's amplify

00:45:40.800 the Black Lives Matter stuff.

00:45:42.520 Well,

00:45:42.780 that was 2020,

00:45:43.500 but you know

00:45:43.760 what I'm saying.

00:45:44.440 Like,

00:45:44.700 do stuff that divides Americans.

00:45:46.380 Let's amplify all that.

00:45:47.860 We enjoy that.

00:45:49.080 And that's it.

00:45:50.680 And on top of that,

00:45:53.180 the big kahuna

00:45:54.580 that was left,

00:45:56.340 which was he did it

00:45:57.360 because he wanted

00:45:58.420 to help Donald Trump

00:45:59.440 was the biggest lie

00:46:01.080 of them all.

00:46:02.460 He didn't want

00:46:03.260 to help Trump.

00:46:03.860 He had

00:46:04.880 actually very little belief

00:46:06.320 that Trump was going to win.

00:46:07.540 He had a bunch of stuff

00:46:08.960 he could have released

00:46:09.660 on Hillary Clinton

00:46:10.380 that would have made

00:46:11.360 her look terrible

00:46:12.220 and was in the news cycle.

00:46:13.740 There were tons

00:46:14.280 of speculations going on

00:46:15.480 about her health.

00:46:17.060 He could have dropped

00:46:17.720 that shit

00:46:18.220 and blown up her campaign,

00:46:20.360 but he didn't.

00:46:21.800 And now we're finding

00:46:22.680 all this,

00:46:23.460 that there wasn't

00:46:24.440 one piece

00:46:25.660 of the Russia narrative

00:46:26.920 that A,

00:46:28.300 was true,

00:46:29.400 or B,

00:46:31.800 wasn't understood

00:46:32.860 to be false

00:46:34.240 when it was getting

00:46:34.960 peddled to us

00:46:36.060 by John Brennan

00:46:37.600 and Jim Comey

00:46:38.800 and Clapper

00:46:40.800 and Obama.

00:46:42.840 That's the other

00:46:43.380 big piece that's come out

00:46:44.320 that Obama himself

00:46:45.360 was the one

00:46:46.460 who stopped

00:46:47.140 the intelligence

00:46:47.740 community chain

00:46:48.640 from about to report

00:46:50.200 in a document

00:46:51.420 that Trump's team

00:46:52.260 would have seen too,

00:46:53.220 that the Russian interference

00:46:54.480 really wasn't a thing.

00:46:55.540 It was really kind of

00:46:56.160 not much

00:46:56.680 to right after

00:46:58.760 he demanded that meeting.

00:47:00.260 It's all these

00:47:01.460 untrue things.

00:47:03.880 Yeah.

00:47:04.640 Well, I mean,

00:47:05.240 this is a gargantuan scandal.

00:47:07.760 And I understand.

00:47:08.940 I mean,

00:47:09.060 if you go to like

00:47:09.620 New York Times

00:47:10.360 or Washington Post,

00:47:11.500 you're not going to find

00:47:12.100 a single story

00:47:13.020 anywhere on the website

00:47:14.260 about it, right?

00:47:15.220 I mean,

00:47:15.380 they just want this

00:47:16.040 to go away

00:47:16.700 in large part

00:47:17.560 because they were

00:47:18.620 key to the entire strategy

00:47:21.360 to make this thing work.

00:47:22.780 They really were.

00:47:23.600 And I don't think

00:47:24.020 I talked about this

00:47:24.860 on our show today,

00:47:26.280 but something that

00:47:27.120 that I remember

00:47:28.160 from the time

00:47:28.820 because you guys

00:47:29.800 every other guy

00:47:31.300 on this on this set,

00:47:32.780 Megan,

00:47:33.480 they were like this.

00:47:35.160 This is not true.

00:47:36.220 This is not true.

00:47:36.900 And I I believe them,

00:47:38.660 but I was working

00:47:39.960 with a lot of reporters

00:47:40.780 at the time.

00:47:41.380 And up until that time,

00:47:42.860 up until that point,

00:47:43.660 it was like,

00:47:44.160 you know,

00:47:44.460 10 years working reporters

00:47:45.900 and political stuff

00:47:46.900 trying to sell

00:47:47.440 Republican talking points

00:47:48.600 and all that sort of thing.

00:47:49.520 And we you know,

00:47:50.780 it's a left wing media,

00:47:51.840 but we were making

00:47:52.640 some inroads.

00:47:53.840 Trump wins.

00:47:54.860 And then all of a sudden,

00:47:56.200 every single person

00:47:58.240 who I was talking to

00:47:59.480 about the campaign,

00:48:00.620 all of a sudden overnight

00:48:02.220 became a Russia reporter.

00:48:05.060 Yeah.

00:48:05.220 And that sort of thing

00:48:06.320 does not happen

00:48:07.520 just because they're like,

00:48:09.740 oh, well,

00:48:10.500 we're trying to drive

00:48:11.760 a wedge with the new president.

00:48:13.160 That sort of sustained,

00:48:15.820 coordinated effort

00:48:17.080 can only happen

00:48:18.440 if someone is influential

00:48:20.260 as Barack Obama

00:48:21.600 and the people around him

00:48:23.160 cared so much

00:48:24.160 about driving it

00:48:25.100 that they spent time

00:48:26.240 doing it.

00:48:26.840 So I agree with you,

00:48:28.500 Ashbrook.

00:48:28.940 I think that's the inside game.

00:48:30.240 I think the outside game

00:48:31.340 for the media

00:48:32.040 was that this whole narrative

00:48:33.840 served as a warm comfort,

00:48:37.040 a coping mechanism

00:48:38.800 for the entire Democratic base

00:48:40.580 and all of these voters

00:48:41.460 who were like,

00:48:42.060 how is it that Donald Trump

00:48:43.280 beat Hillary Clinton?

00:48:44.380 Yeah.

00:48:44.640 Right.

00:48:44.940 And so Russiagate

00:48:45.700 became that on the outside.

00:48:46.820 So the media

00:48:47.500 monetized this fake story.

00:48:49.580 That's the thing.

00:48:49.880 And so I think it perpetuated itself

00:48:52.440 both on the inside

00:48:53.380 from the intel agency

00:48:54.340 and the Obama administration

00:48:55.240 and then on the outside,

00:48:56.440 all of these reporters

00:48:57.040 were writing all the salacious

00:48:58.060 Russiagate stuff.

00:48:58.960 They're getting clicks.

00:48:59.920 And beyond getting clicks,

00:49:01.360 you saw the rise of reporters

00:49:02.860 who have zero

00:49:04.500 journalistic capabilities.

00:49:06.160 Natasha Bertrand.

00:49:06.940 Right.

00:49:07.340 Who created not only careers,

00:49:09.820 book deals.

00:49:10.660 They've gotten rich off of this.

00:49:12.360 They collected awards,

00:49:14.780 accolades,

00:49:15.620 made careers.

00:49:16.160 They jumped from paper to paper

00:49:17.640 getting pay raise after pay raise

00:49:19.560 off of this whole delusion,

00:49:21.460 off of this whole lie,

00:49:22.460 which is why,

00:49:23.140 like Holmes said,

00:49:23.700 you don't see this reporting

00:49:24.720 today in the Washington Post

00:49:26.720 or in the New York Times

00:49:27.420 because all the money they made,

00:49:29.680 are they willing to admit,

00:49:30.920 you know what?

00:49:31.660 I guess these millions

00:49:32.720 were all just bullshit.

00:49:34.440 But you do not get

00:49:35.580 that sort of uniform commitment

00:49:37.560 to a single storyline

00:49:39.100 across every single major

00:49:41.500 broadcast network

00:49:42.780 and major daily newspaper

00:49:44.260 without people at the top

00:49:46.480 telling them we are pursuing this.

00:49:49.240 Yeah, 100%.

00:49:50.100 And there's little evidence.

00:49:52.200 I mean, as Michael said.

00:49:53.260 And they wrote those articles

00:49:54.380 before the renewed, revised,

00:49:57.920 Russia, Russia, Russia

00:49:58.940 did it all,

00:50:00.200 Intel report hit.

00:50:01.700 So they,

00:50:02.620 as soon as Obama said,

00:50:03.740 we want to change this narrative,

00:50:05.180 the intelligence community did it.

00:50:06.820 But before they put pen to paper

00:50:08.480 or made a single phone call,

00:50:09.960 they got on the phone

00:50:11.340 with the reporters

00:50:12.420 to make sure they knew

00:50:14.500 where the story was going,

00:50:15.880 that it was a bombshell.

00:50:17.260 Russia had interfered.

00:50:18.720 And I don't think

00:50:19.700 it's just reporters.

00:50:20.620 I think it goes to editors.

00:50:21.700 I think it goes to publishers.

00:50:22.940 I think that there was

00:50:23.780 a lot more involvement

00:50:24.900 with the media than we know

00:50:26.700 because the whole storyline

00:50:28.140 is absolutely preposterous

00:50:30.020 to begin with.

00:50:30.980 I mean, you talked about

00:50:31.740 how the Russians

00:50:33.020 meddle in all kinds of elections.

00:50:35.420 And I mean, okay,

00:50:36.860 that's what they do.

00:50:37.880 But we're talking about

00:50:39.220 the American election

00:50:40.320 that is run by 60-year-olds

00:50:42.260 who have been in the business

00:50:43.520 for 40 years

00:50:44.500 and they're trying their best

00:50:45.580 to win and get a good message out.

00:50:47.080 The idea that some Russian

00:50:48.580 20-year-old

00:50:49.320 who barely speaks English

00:50:50.440 is going to be able

00:50:51.120 to like jump in

00:50:52.000 and all of a sudden

00:50:52.620 change the face

00:50:53.700 of American election

00:50:54.540 is preposterous.

00:50:55.900 Yeah.

00:50:56.360 They just wanted enough

00:50:57.740 to hurt him.

00:50:58.600 Stand by.

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00:52:18.800 led a group of people

00:52:19.980 and they cheated in the elections

00:52:21.540 and they cheated without question.

00:52:24.300 It's not even a quote.

00:52:25.320 Would you say there's even

00:52:26.160 a little question there, Tulsi?

00:52:27.720 She says no.

00:52:29.340 And you found things

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00:52:44.480 So, Tulsi, great job.

00:52:45.780 And I know you have

00:52:46.420 a lot more coming.

00:52:47.380 She told me

00:52:47.980 you've seen nothing yet.

00:52:50.980 So, I heard those rumors

00:52:52.560 about you

00:52:53.100 but now I know they're true.

00:52:54.320 So, we're very proud

00:52:55.340 of you, Tulsi.

00:52:55.920 They cheated so badly.

00:52:58.680 President Trump

00:53:00.680 on this story

00:53:01.620 on Tuesday.

00:53:03.020 Welcome back

00:53:03.380 to the Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:04.380 Back with me now,

00:53:05.020 our friends

00:53:05.460 from the Rootless program.

00:53:07.480 Guys, Trump keeps using

00:53:08.700 the word treason

00:53:09.700 and we are trying

00:53:10.520 to figure out

00:53:11.080 what possible way

00:53:12.080 there could be

00:53:12.820 to charge any

00:53:13.940 of these officials.

00:53:15.100 I don't think treason

00:53:16.140 is going to work

00:53:16.680 just based on,

00:53:17.620 you know,

00:53:18.260 like I said earlier,

00:53:19.140 my instincts

00:53:19.700 because it doesn't,

00:53:21.120 you know,

00:53:21.420 that's a tough one.

00:53:24.040 However,

00:53:26.440 perjury

00:53:27.020 at the federal level

00:53:28.420 has a five-year

00:53:29.040 statute of limitations

00:53:30.020 which can potentially

00:53:31.340 be told,

00:53:32.560 meaning it won't

00:53:33.920 start running

00:53:34.620 until the crime

00:53:36.780 is discovered,

00:53:37.520 like the lie

00:53:38.260 is discovered,

00:53:38.980 if the person

00:53:40.720 who's about

00:53:41.060 to get charged

00:53:41.800 was responsible

00:53:43.220 for actively

00:53:43.840 concealing the truth,

00:53:45.100 like maybe putting

00:53:46.680 the truth

00:53:47.920 in a safe

00:53:48.860 at Langley

00:53:49.800 where it would

00:53:50.640 never be unearthed

00:53:51.660 for, you know,

00:53:52.540 the next five years.

00:53:53.260 I mean,

00:53:53.760 that's the kind

00:53:56.520 of clever

00:53:57.380 behavior we might

00:53:59.340 be seeing

00:53:59.800 from this DOJ

00:54:00.720 which got very,

00:54:01.800 very clever

00:54:02.300 under Merrick Garland

00:54:03.840 and Joe Biden

00:54:04.840 and the left

00:54:05.480 love that.

00:54:06.540 So let's see if they

00:54:07.160 use their same

00:54:07.780 creativity now

00:54:08.700 to find ways

00:54:10.240 to extend

00:54:11.400 the statute of limitations

00:54:12.420 for lying under oath

00:54:13.600 for people like

00:54:14.700 John Brennan

00:54:15.360 and Jim Comey.

00:54:17.120 That would be

00:54:17.860 really interesting

00:54:18.380 and I don't think

00:54:19.800 Barack Obama

00:54:20.320 is going to get

00:54:20.720 pulled into this

00:54:21.300 very easily

00:54:21.900 given the fact

00:54:22.500 that thanks to

00:54:23.300 Trump

00:54:23.580 it's clear

00:54:24.540 he has immunity

00:54:25.120 for his official

00:54:25.800 acts while president

00:54:26.600 but that doesn't

00:54:28.460 mean he can't

00:54:28.860 be called as a witness.

00:54:30.480 I don't know

00:54:31.160 that he's totally

00:54:31.680 in the clear

00:54:32.360 because anything

00:54:32.960 he did after

00:54:33.880 he left office

00:54:34.900 and they said

00:54:35.840 they're looking

00:54:36.180 at conduct

00:54:36.660 all the way

00:54:37.040 through 2024

00:54:37.640 could be brought up.

00:54:39.360 I have no idea

00:54:39.940 but I have

00:54:40.660 absolutely no sympathy

00:54:41.460 for him

00:54:41.840 and the left

00:54:42.380 is going to have

00:54:42.820 a really difficult

00:54:43.340 time trying to say

00:54:44.620 you can't do this

00:54:45.300 to a former president

00:54:46.100 or his top aides.

00:54:47.880 I think that's

00:54:48.800 to me

00:54:49.760 the central issue

00:54:51.200 in all of this

00:54:52.780 all of this

00:54:53.300 insanity

00:54:53.760 all of these

00:54:54.460 horrific things

00:54:55.200 is this is a tragedy

00:54:56.480 this was a group

00:54:58.000 of individuals

00:54:58.600 powerful individuals

00:54:59.540 who decided

00:55:00.600 that they were

00:55:01.140 willing for

00:55:02.100 their own egos

00:55:03.160 and resentments

00:55:04.460 to divide

00:55:05.300 this entire country

00:55:06.060 because half

00:55:06.660 of this country

00:55:07.380 has

00:55:07.740 they still believe

00:55:09.180 it

00:55:09.340 they still believe

00:55:10.160 it

00:55:10.420 they were

00:55:10.880 they were

00:55:11.880 basically given

00:55:12.700 brain damage

00:55:13.600 and now believe

00:55:14.920 that president

00:55:15.840 Trump is a

00:55:16.640 Russian asset

00:55:17.360 they were told

00:55:18.420 that there's

00:55:18.800 Russians hiding

00:55:19.480 in every corner

00:55:20.220 they could take

00:55:20.840 over this country

00:55:21.520 at any moment

00:55:22.320 every election

00:55:23.300 we have

00:55:23.720 you can't believe

00:55:24.280 the results

00:55:24.700 if it doesn't

00:55:25.160 go the way

00:55:25.520 that you want

00:55:26.080 and you know

00:55:26.560 what

00:55:26.780 president Trump

00:55:28.400 is trying to

00:55:28.800 kill every single

00:55:29.440 American in this

00:55:29.880 country

00:55:30.000 COVID came over

00:55:31.140 here because

00:55:31.540 he's a Putin

00:55:32.100 stooge

00:55:32.580 there are people

00:55:34.160 in this country

00:55:34.580 that damaged

00:55:35.240 and it was done

00:55:35.880 by a group

00:55:36.300 of powerful

00:55:36.780 individuals

00:55:37.240 and then the

00:55:38.420 media was another

00:55:39.500 cog in their

00:55:40.000 machines

00:55:40.300 they had a

00:55:40.920 profit motive

00:55:41.480 in getting that

00:55:42.340 done

00:55:42.500 they wanted to

00:55:42.960 be buddies

00:55:43.420 with the Obama

00:55:43.940 folks always

00:55:44.640 they ran with

00:55:45.620 the message

00:55:45.980 that he gave

00:55:46.500 them

00:55:46.700 they all made

00:55:47.560 millions off of

00:55:48.280 it and they're

00:55:49.220 wondering why

00:55:49.820 have Americans

00:55:50.320 lost faith

00:55:51.000 in institutions

00:55:51.620 well they're

00:55:52.460 the institutions

00:55:52.940 divided this

00:55:53.620 entire country

00:55:54.180 they're the

00:55:54.520 problem

00:55:54.960 I mean what

00:55:55.560 this is about

00:55:56.120 fundamentally is

00:55:56.960 breaking this

00:55:57.640 systemic failure

00:55:58.700 that these

00:56:00.400 partisans

00:56:01.240 led in large

00:56:02.860 part by John

00:56:03.540 Brennan who I

00:56:04.240 large that I

00:56:05.720 think he is

00:56:06.360 probably the most

00:56:07.540 politically partisan

00:56:08.800 director of the CIA

00:56:10.540 in its history

00:56:11.600 and by the way

00:56:12.500 that's a pretty

00:56:13.160 high bar

00:56:13.760 that's a high

00:56:14.200 bar

00:56:14.460 you look at

00:56:15.260 history

00:56:15.740 but what they

00:56:17.440 did and what

00:56:17.960 they were able

00:56:18.560 to do is not

00:56:19.360 only just conceal

00:56:20.280 the truth

00:56:20.760 not only perpetuate

00:56:21.980 a narrative

00:56:22.420 but then become

00:56:23.500 a part of the

00:56:24.440 media business

00:56:25.120 not just as a

00:56:26.020 source as a

00:56:26.780 single source

00:56:27.560 to some of

00:56:28.400 these disreputable

00:56:29.240 reporters out there

00:56:30.300 but then literally

00:56:31.260 become part of

00:56:32.420 the media apparatus

00:56:33.700 they all sign

00:56:34.380 deals right

00:56:35.180 and they would

00:56:35.620 all go on

00:56:36.400 all these cable

00:56:37.440 shows some of

00:56:38.200 which I was on

00:56:38.860 I sat in the

00:56:39.400 green room and

00:56:39.980 watch these guys

00:56:40.840 and they would

00:56:41.540 say well you

00:56:42.140 know we have

00:56:42.520 this top secret

00:56:43.100 clearance so I

00:56:43.700 can't really

00:56:44.480 tell you all

00:56:45.940 of the things

00:56:46.460 that I've seen

00:56:47.060 but I can tell

00:56:47.680 you it's very

00:56:48.620 concerning of

00:56:49.420 course the

00:56:49.780 inference to the

00:56:50.520 viewer and the

00:56:51.120 listener at that

00:56:51.840 point is like

00:56:52.460 well I don't know

00:56:53.240 this guy was in

00:56:53.760 charge of the CIA

00:56:54.520 he probably has

00:56:55.360 access to information

00:56:56.360 that I don't know

00:56:57.360 so I should

00:56:58.200 probably believe it

00:56:59.160 because at that

00:56:59.740 point in time

00:57:00.940 we still believe

00:57:02.120 in our institutions

00:57:03.020 because up to

00:57:03.940 that point they

00:57:05.240 had sort of

00:57:05.720 served the country

00:57:06.480 well in many

00:57:07.120 many regards

00:57:08.100 but this whole

00:57:09.640 circle that

00:57:10.800 wrapped into

00:57:11.700 the media

00:57:12.320 is really

00:57:13.520 I think one

00:57:14.540 of the biggest

00:57:15.480 benefits of having

00:57:16.300 this conversation

00:57:17.000 now because that

00:57:17.820 needs to be broken

00:57:18.580 at its core

00:57:19.120 Duncan I know

00:57:19.920 that you for

00:57:20.540 example had

00:57:21.500 interactions with

00:57:22.740 some of these

00:57:23.080 reporters who

00:57:23.560 didn't know

00:57:24.160 shit from

00:57:24.840 China

00:57:25.060 yeah yeah

00:57:25.500 Megan this is

00:57:26.340 incredible I have a

00:57:26.940 great story for you

00:57:27.980 because it went

00:57:28.560 way beyond 2016

00:57:30.240 and then the

00:57:31.720 Mueller investigation

00:57:32.400 even after all

00:57:33.700 of that was proven

00:57:34.600 false it continued

00:57:36.060 into 2020 I

00:57:37.200 remember I got a

00:57:38.580 call from a

00:57:39.400 fact checker at

00:57:40.240 the New Yorker

00:57:41.000 in 2020 leading

00:57:42.440 up to the 2020

00:57:43.260 election where the

00:57:45.420 contention of this

00:57:46.140 article that was

00:57:46.720 under review was

00:57:47.760 basically that one

00:57:48.760 of our clients you

00:57:50.120 know a high profile

00:57:51.060 Republican senator

00:57:52.120 their website

00:57:53.500 actually was

00:57:54.780 communicating data

00:57:56.200 back to a Russian

00:57:57.120 server and perhaps

00:57:58.740 there might be

00:57:59.240 voter file data

00:58:00.340 that you know

00:58:02.000 Putin and the

00:58:02.780 Russians were using

00:58:03.620 to collude with

00:58:04.940 this Republican

00:58:06.180 which of course

00:58:07.660 was a fundamentally

00:58:08.480 insane thing and

00:58:10.480 so I sort of like

00:58:11.520 probed the fact

00:58:13.000 checker like oh

00:58:13.720 where are you

00:58:14.620 getting this

00:58:15.240 information like

00:58:16.140 is this public is

00:58:17.180 there some sort of

00:58:17.800 confidential source

00:58:19.000 and I was like if

00:58:20.200 you want me to

00:58:20.680 actually respond to

00:58:21.420 this like which is

00:58:22.080 totally baseless you're

00:58:23.000 gonna have to give me

00:58:23.580 a little bit of

00:58:24.180 something you know

00:58:25.280 what the something

00:58:25.800 was Megan it was

00:58:27.300 a Twitter thread by

00:58:28.380 Louise Mensch that

00:58:30.660 was the basis for

00:58:31.420 the whole article

00:58:32.200 they were about to

00:58:32.980 write and I just

00:58:34.000 kind of said to

00:58:34.800 I mean after

00:58:35.420 laughing hysterically

00:58:36.480 I was kind of

00:58:36.960 like if you guys

00:58:38.140 go to print on

00:58:38.860 this just like as

00:58:39.780 a professional

00:58:40.240 courtesy I don't

00:58:41.080 know if you went

00:58:42.120 through the rest of

00:58:42.800 her Twitter page

00:58:44.660 but you're gonna

00:58:45.600 publicly embarrass

00:58:46.440 yourself and that

00:58:48.180 they eventually

00:58:49.080 spiked the story

00:58:50.180 but like I mean

00:58:51.300 just having a fact

00:58:52.140 checker who would

00:58:52.620 do that there are

00:58:53.000 many publications

00:58:53.580 who wouldn't who

00:58:54.300 would be it would

00:58:54.820 be too good to

00:58:55.540 print right because

00:58:56.520 they just wanted

00:58:57.760 the clicks they

00:58:58.460 didn't care if it

00:58:59.140 was actually true

00:59:00.040 here's the other

00:59:01.540 piece of it

00:59:02.060 you gotta keep

00:59:04.080 in mind you guys

00:59:04.760 know this all the

00:59:05.360 audience knows this

00:59:06.040 too but it's

00:59:06.540 worthwhile to

00:59:07.100 revisit that keep

00:59:09.200 in mind the time

00:59:10.020 that we were

00:59:10.700 dealing with here

00:59:11.320 end of 16 the

00:59:13.260 very very beginning

00:59:14.200 of January 17

00:59:15.120 when the nation

00:59:16.480 was in shock

00:59:17.660 that Trump won

00:59:19.440 in shock

00:59:21.060 especially the

00:59:22.360 left they were

00:59:23.780 having open

00:59:24.760 struggle sessions

00:59:25.580 they were crying

00:59:26.940 openly like they

00:59:28.380 were calling off

00:59:29.120 school so children

00:59:30.500 could you know go

00:59:31.560 see their trauma

00:59:32.180 counselors about

00:59:32.960 what had happened

00:59:33.580 and they did not

00:59:36.680 believe he could

00:59:38.420 do it none of

00:59:39.320 them believed he

00:59:39.980 could do it for a

00:59:40.900 second prior to the

00:59:42.060 Nets announcing he

00:59:43.240 had done it and

00:59:44.380 they still probably

00:59:45.460 didn't believe he

00:59:46.840 had done it at the

00:59:48.440 time Obama was

00:59:49.580 like we're turning

00:59:51.100 around this ICA

00:59:52.180 you're you're you're

00:59:53.240 not submitting

00:59:53.920 something saying

00:59:54.500 Russia didn't help

00:59:55.560 him do this we are

00:59:57.080 submitting something

00:59:57.800 that shows how

00:59:59.080 this really

00:59:59.600 happened which

01:00:00.480 is Russia and

01:00:01.620 he worked

01:00:02.700 together and it

01:00:04.480 was stolen and

01:00:06.060 we I had the team

01:00:06.880 pull this this is

01:00:07.480 I think this is from

01:00:08.440 end wokeness on X

01:00:09.540 that put together

01:00:10.060 good montage we

01:00:11.460 stole part of it

01:00:12.140 from him and this

01:00:13.920 this is the

01:00:15.420 mentality that was

01:00:17.120 driving the

01:00:18.220 decisions I maintain

01:00:20.100 behind the scenes

01:00:21.340 at the White House

01:00:21.940 still in you know

01:00:24.040 late December or

01:00:25.100 early December

01:00:25.600 through early

01:00:26.220 January 16 to

01:00:27.380 17 when Obama

01:00:28.320 did his 180

01:00:29.620 flipping the intel

01:00:30.860 analysis watch

01:00:32.040 he's not going to

01:00:33.840 be president he

01:00:34.740 is not Donald

01:00:36.000 Trump is not going

01:00:37.060 to be president of

01:00:37.780 the United States

01:00:38.320 take it to the

01:00:39.340 bank okay

01:00:39.900 guarantee it all

01:00:40.760 right all right

01:00:41.340 think if he's

01:00:42.060 becomes the president

01:00:42.900 here make make it

01:00:43.680 great because the

01:00:44.180 states is already

01:00:44.760 I think that man

01:00:46.200 will be president

01:00:46.920 of the United States

01:00:47.760 right about the

01:00:48.720 time that spaceships

01:00:50.060 come down filled

01:00:51.220 with dinosaurs and

01:00:52.340 red cakes

01:00:53.000 and then of course

01:00:58.020 there's Donald

01:00:58.500 Trump Donald Trump

01:01:00.320 has been saying

01:01:00.900 that he will run

01:01:01.400 for president as a

01:01:02.160 Republican which is

01:01:03.300 surprising since I

01:01:04.280 just assumed he was

01:01:05.060 running as a joke

01:01:05.860 part of your mind

01:01:09.200 or brain can you

01:01:10.180 imagine Donald Trump

01:01:11.400 standing up one day

01:01:12.960 and delivering a

01:01:13.920 State of the Union

01:01:14.480 address well I can

01:01:16.280 imagine it uh in a

01:01:19.620 Saturday night skit

01:01:20.500 I continue to

01:01:21.700 believe Mr. Trump

01:01:22.420 will not be

01:01:23.180 president and use

01:01:25.480 and Obama of course

01:01:26.420 mocked him openly

01:01:27.780 saying you know he

01:01:28.680 may be this he may

01:01:29.580 be that one thing he

01:01:30.320 never will be is

01:01:31.660 president of the

01:01:32.200 United States that's

01:01:33.700 how they all felt

01:01:34.620 yeah so for them it

01:01:36.100 was so easy it was

01:01:37.940 stolen by the

01:01:39.400 Russians that dirty

01:01:41.100 Trump worked with

01:01:42.040 them the dirty tricks

01:01:43.820 of Vladimir Putin

01:01:44.760 who's another

01:01:45.260 boogeyman to them

01:01:46.120 and that to me is so

01:01:49.240 clear when you read

01:01:50.560 these documents like

01:01:51.760 the Brennan it has

01:01:52.960 the ring of truth

01:01:54.140 the Steele dossier it

01:01:55.340 has the ring what

01:01:56.900 kind of CIA director

01:01:58.380 talks like that

01:01:59.500 don't these people

01:02:01.860 are like I said

01:02:02.660 they're so egotistical

01:02:04.060 they're so full of

01:02:05.480 themselves for so

01:02:06.740 long they've looked

01:02:07.580 down on the rest of

01:02:08.500 America so blatantly

01:02:10.180 so openly like you

01:02:11.720 saw all the jokes

01:02:12.560 they're making like

01:02:13.080 Trump supporters why

01:02:14.320 they're just a bunch

01:02:15.040 of dumb rednecks of

01:02:16.260 course those people

01:02:16.980 will never win we're

01:02:18.600 surrounded by Ivy League

01:02:20.300 geniuses and we're

01:02:21.240 going to give Obama

01:02:22.100 a Netflix deal these

01:02:24.260 people really thought

01:02:25.240 they were like the

01:02:26.060 cream of the crop and

01:02:27.400 to be defeated and

01:02:28.800 humiliated and shown

01:02:30.460 that this belief system

01:02:32.100 that they've held so

01:02:33.140 dearly is all just a

01:02:34.880 house of cards built on

01:02:36.440 lies it upset them so

01:02:38.440 much they're not willing

01:02:39.440 to accept defeat they

01:02:41.440 say okay well let's just

01:02:42.960 cook up a lie because

01:02:44.080 we can't look bad we're

01:02:45.540 egotistical monsters yeah

01:02:47.280 it's also a perfect

01:02:48.460 vignette in how the

01:02:49.840 left wing is willing

01:02:51.600 to compromise major

01:02:54.400 institutions within this

01:02:55.540 country the things that

01:02:56.440 sort of make us work I

01:02:58.000 mean when I started in

01:02:58.760 politics both intelligence

01:03:01.540 and law enforcement it

01:03:03.840 was kind of like a church

01:03:04.720 and state with politics

01:03:05.940 right you you had them as

01:03:08.460 there were political

01:03:09.180 appointees and whatnot but

01:03:10.580 you always operated with it

01:03:12.180 offshore because of things

01:03:14.340 like this right and there

01:03:16.320 was a bipartisan agreement

01:03:17.480 at one point in time 25

01:03:18.600 years ago where everybody

01:03:19.780 sort of believed you just

01:03:21.740 can't venture into that

01:03:23.020 territory you can't allow

01:03:24.800 intelligence agencies to

01:03:26.260 operate like a third world

01:03:27.300 country protecting a

01:03:28.920 dictator to manipulate

01:03:30.340 intelligence against

01:03:31.240 political opponents and

01:03:32.780 things like that if

01:03:33.780 there's ever any evidence

01:03:34.700 of that boy that's an

01:03:35.520 impeachable offense you

01:03:36.940 know and that was

01:03:37.720 basically an accepted

01:03:38.740 rule right up until the

01:03:40.500 point where John Brennan

01:03:41.880 leads the CIA and at that

01:03:44.860 point all of a sudden now

01:03:46.160 you can see from all the

01:03:47.100 things that have been

01:03:47.700 unearthed it was the

01:03:49.440 opposite they work hand in

01:03:50.740 hand I mean there's

01:03:51.700 handwritten notes that

01:03:52.600 senate intel committee that

01:03:54.000 they keep talking about to

01:03:55.240 try which they're talking

01:03:56.200 about something entirely

01:03:57.080 different but they're

01:03:57.820 trying to use that as a

01:03:58.780 way to insulate the

01:03:59.920 criticism one of the

01:04:01.160 things that came out on

01:04:01.980 that was handwritten notes

01:04:03.020 from John Brennan after a

01:04:04.540 briefing with the Clinton

01:04:05.340 campaign where you

01:04:06.080 understand understood that

01:04:07.960 they were going to

01:04:08.380 weaponize the intelligence

01:04:09.520 that he was conjuring up that

01:04:11.460 he originally got from them

01:04:13.020 that he was briefing

01:04:14.100 congressional leaders on

01:04:15.280 it and the Clinton

01:04:16.200 campaign was going to

01:04:17.000 actually weaponize it and

01:04:18.160 put it into play in the

01:04:19.260 final weeks of the 2016

01:04:20.700 campaign if your

01:04:22.060 intelligence agency is

01:04:24.480 acting as a tool for a

01:04:26.720 political campaign that is

01:04:29.040 the worst possible thing you

01:04:31.480 can do in this country from a

01:04:33.560 government standpoint from a

01:04:35.440 trust and institution

01:04:36.520 standpoint it is the way that

01:04:38.480 you absolutely drag an

01:04:39.840 electorate into a point where

01:04:41.380 they don't trust their

01:04:42.400 country and that's sadly

01:04:44.440 where we find it were you

01:04:46.560 with McConnell in 16 so I

01:04:49.240 was outside by then I'd

01:04:50.960 left in 2014 but I but I

01:04:53.040 was I was close enough to

01:04:54.320 all of this yeah I can give

01:04:55.900 you a good 16 and we know

01:04:58.040 this from John Brennan's

01:04:59.300 memoir so this is not in

01:05:01.500 dispute John Brennan

01:05:02.480 recounted this story himself

01:05:04.040 he briefed in September of

01:05:07.040 16 then Senate Majority

01:05:09.280 leader Mitch McConnell on his

01:05:11.240 claim that Russia sought to

01:05:12.620 quote to quote enhance the

01:05:14.520 electoral prospects of

01:05:16.320 Donald Trump and we now know

01:05:18.180 from what's getting released

01:05:19.300 here Brennan had been told

01:05:21.480 that's bullshit that's

01:05:23.500 bullshit but has the feel it

01:05:25.520 has a has a whiff of being

01:05:27.620 true okay this is based on a

01:05:30.200 steel dossier and he said that

01:05:32.660 to McConnell and according to

01:05:34.780 Brennan McConnell responded

01:05:36.780 dryly quote one might say that

01:05:39.340 the CIA and the Obama

01:05:41.060 administration are making such

01:05:42.860 claims in order to prevent

01:05:44.720 Donald Trump from getting

01:05:46.080 elected president he knew he

01:05:49.500 knew I mean McDonnell

01:05:50.920 McDonnell's been around a long

01:05:52.540 time and Brennan went to him to

01:05:54.860 try to soft sell it and

01:05:56.500 McConnell was like would you

01:05:57.720 stop with this bullshit and he

01:06:00.920 it didn't stop it went on and

01:06:02.740 on and on it got worse go ahead

01:06:05.100 it got worse so we were in

01:06:08.020 charge of electing Senate

01:06:09.360 Republicans at this point and

01:06:11.060 so all of this information is

01:06:12.520 relevant to us because it's

01:06:13.680 splashed all over the

01:06:15.280 newspapers when McConnell

01:06:16.520 refuses to sign a letter that

01:06:18.960 Brennan wants him to pen that

01:06:20.920 implicates Donald Trump in

01:06:22.420 Russia refuse to do it so all

01:06:24.440 of a sudden the entirety of the

01:06:25.960 national media is focused on

01:06:28.220 Mitch McConnell protecting

01:06:30.100 Russians working for Russians

01:06:32.520 working for Trump they started

01:06:35.060 calling him Moscow Mitch yeah

01:06:36.300 that scumbag on MSNBC got that

01:06:39.060 Joe Scarborough who like led

01:06:41.360 every show with Moscow Mitch

01:06:43.240 type stuff and I didn't I was

01:06:45.140 out of government I didn't have a

01:06:46.080 security clearance so he

01:06:47.060 couldn't tell me what the

01:06:48.720 conversations were it didn't

01:06:49.820 stop John Brennan by the way for

01:06:51.080 from writing exactly what

01:06:52.720 happened in that secure

01:06:54.260 intelligence briefing by the way

01:06:56.520 I don't know if you're looking

01:06:57.640 around at charges maybe that's

01:06:59.120 somewhere to start but anyway

01:07:00.780 all of this we can't formulate

01:07:02.940 the truth because I can't get

01:07:04.340 it from a principal but you're

01:07:06.560 getting incoming from the

01:07:07.820 outside on all of this and they

01:07:10.680 then take that and try to

01:07:12.140 weaponize it not only against

01:07:13.380 Donald Trump but against every

01:07:15.060 single Republican who looked at

01:07:17.000 what we're now all looking at and

01:07:18.980 said none of this adds up we went

01:07:21.740 through three long years where this

01:07:25.240 it was a one a on the talking

01:07:27.060 point list of all the liberal

01:07:28.360 pundits every single campaign

01:07:30.420 every single Democrat this is the

01:07:32.900 John Brennan effect this is why he

01:07:35.660 is the key to all of this because

01:07:37.840 he buried the intel made up a

01:07:40.360 narrative and then weaponized it

01:07:42.960 through the media in a way that

01:07:44.440 could help their campaign chances

01:07:46.240 which is really what the only thing

01:07:47.780 that they were focused on at this

01:07:49.000 point delegitimizing the Trump

01:07:50.820 administration and making sure the

01:07:53.020 Republicans had somewhat of a

01:07:55.100 liability for speaking the truth

01:07:56.920 and then he monetized it he went

01:07:58.580 and got himself a contributor

01:07:59.680 contract and a book deal yeah

01:08:01.580 okay I wanted to play one other

01:08:04.980 because we're on Brennan and we

01:08:06.280 pulled another soundbite from him

01:08:07.380 this one's from meet the press

01:08:08.580 February 3rd 2018 okay so by this

01:08:11.760 point he knows everything everything

01:08:12.980 that we have discussed on this

01:08:14.720 program and earlier ones this week

01:08:16.220 he knows it all it's all you know

01:08:18.780 they're still pushing Russia gate

01:08:20.220 and all that nonsense but in any

01:08:21.620 event here he is on meet the press

01:08:23.060 February 3rd 2018 17b is the side

01:08:25.820 when did you first learn of the

01:08:29.300 so-called Steele dossier and what

01:08:31.120 Christopher Steele was doing

01:08:32.120 well it was a not a very well-kept

01:08:34.920 secret among press circles for several

01:08:37.860 months before it came out and it was in

01:08:40.120 late summer of 2016 when there were

01:08:42.520 some individuals from the various us

01:08:46.120 news outlets who asked me about my

01:08:49.960 familiarity with it and I had heard

01:08:52.400 just snippets about it I did not know

01:08:54.780 what was in there I did not see it

01:08:56.920 until later in that year I think it was

01:08:58.520 in December but I was unaware of the

01:09:02.540 providence of it as well as what was in

01:09:04.620 it and it did not play any role

01:09:06.340 whatsoever in the intelligence community

01:09:08.340 assessment that was done that was

01:09:10.180 presented to then President Obama and

01:09:12.080 then President-elect Trump that's not

01:09:15.300 true that that last part is not true it

01:09:19.200 was attached to the ICA in the

01:09:22.280 appendix information from it was in

01:09:24.640 there and relied upon that's what all

01:09:26.280 these documents we're seeing now thanks

01:09:27.780 to Tulsi are showing us that it was

01:09:30.460 item one like the crucial item that got

01:09:34.780 them to the point where they could say

01:09:36.380 interference and with the goal of

01:09:39.980 helping Trump and the three other items

01:09:43.080 that just came out and what was on earth

01:09:44.660 late yesterday are even more pathetic if

01:09:47.600 possible than the dossier it's like

01:09:49.480 unverified snippets from a conversation

01:09:51.420 that all the intelligence agents on it

01:09:53.320 said we absolutely cannot rely on this

01:09:55.500 this is not reliable don't put this in

01:09:57.300 the report and Brennan just kept rubber

01:09:59.400 stamping it all there and go if it's

01:10:01.540 suggested there was a motive to help

01:10:03.900 Trump it made it in it it was relied

01:10:07.080 upon and there he is knowing all of that

01:10:10.560 being like oh of course would never rely

01:10:13.900 on this deal dossier fucking liar yeah

01:10:16.760 yeah it's the genesis it's the genesis

01:10:19.520 for all of it right I mean that's the

01:10:21.420 thing that I find so amazing about that

01:10:23.460 comment is that he's pretending as though

01:10:25.020 well I was vaguely aware of it because

01:10:26.700 the press was aware of it I am the

01:10:28.960 director of the CIA and I don't know but

01:10:32.440 like all of our press somehow got a

01:10:34.300 handle on it I've got a question what a

01:10:38.640 whale of an intelligence agent question

01:10:40.740 I have a question back to you Megan you

01:10:43.040 know because you were a lawyer and you

01:10:44.760 probably know more about this than than

01:10:46.480 any of us but like in in sort of going

01:10:49.200 through all of Brennan's decision making

01:10:51.680 in that process including all this

01:10:53.560 unverified you know reporting in the

01:10:55.980 dossier and stuff the career

01:10:57.440 intelligence agents were like please do

01:10:59.300 not include this we do not want our

01:11:00.880 names attached to it we don't believe

01:11:02.380 this is credible and he did it anyway at

01:11:04.620 what point do you pass beyond the

01:11:07.360 immunity that you have in your official

01:11:09.440 capacity as John Brennan to being

01:11:11.840 willfully malicious that's a good

01:11:15.040 question I don't know this is all new

01:11:18.840 territory right because we only recently

01:11:21.000 have the Supreme Court ruling on

01:11:22.380 presidential immunity within his

01:11:24.100 official acts I don't know and then

01:11:27.540 you have to look at statute of

01:11:29.680 limitations right this all happened a

01:11:31.020 long time ago unless they can prove it's

01:11:32.520 an ongoing issue because like right now

01:11:35.420 they're looking at John Brennan statement

01:11:37.060 you know because we found out that the

01:11:38.360 CIA had referred Brennan and Comey to

01:11:40.480 the DOJ prior to Tulsi's document dump

01:11:43.160 the CIA first came out and was like

01:11:45.700 those two but they didn't really tell us

01:11:48.140 why call me exactly I mean good shake

01:11:50.000 your pack with call me there's so much

01:11:51.360 right but with Brennan with Brennan they

01:11:54.680 zeroed in on under under oath testimony

01:11:58.180 that he gave about the dossier again

01:12:01.580 downplaying its role in the assessment

01:12:03.660 and his knowledge of it so I don't know

01:12:06.840 Duncan it'll be it'll be interesting I

01:12:08.420 mean again they have very clever lawyers

01:12:11.480 over there and I'm sure someone's

01:12:12.860 thinking of something right now but my

01:12:14.900 first look at this tells me it's not a

01:12:16.920 criminal case it's a political one it's

01:12:19.720 it's an accountability yeah story like

01:12:23.060 these guys and I'm trust me I'm wide

01:12:26.000 open to the possible legal theories

01:12:27.980 against these people I would frankly

01:12:29.720 love to see them suffer and I have said

01:12:31.540 since Trump was running this must be

01:12:34.300 done if there's a colorable claim that

01:12:36.960 you don't make it up but if there is a

01:12:38.180 colorable claim their people must be put

01:12:40.420 through what Trump was put through they

01:12:41.760 must or they will not learn they will do

01:12:44.160 it to the right again so I'm totally in

01:12:46.640 favor of making them suffer if there's an

01:12:49.320 actual good faith basis to do so but just

01:12:51.800 my initial instinct is this is probably

01:12:54.680 just the truth coming out and that the

01:12:58.080 remedy is to rub their noses in it

01:13:01.040 publicly and shame them and understand how

01:13:04.280 much wrong was done to President Trump and

01:13:06.580 frankly is still being done to President

01:13:08.520 Trump by these lunatics who want us to

01:13:12.260 think they're the virtuous ones yep yeah I

01:13:16.080 mean it may be subject to like some kind of

01:13:18.440 legislation or something I mean something

01:13:20.620 needs to change where the system in and of

01:13:22.640 itself I think legislation that kind of

01:13:25.040 stuff is it's way too slow it does it does

01:13:27.740 not talking about the accountability on

01:13:29.420 this I'm just saying anytime first for

01:13:31.720 example if you have a director of the CIA

01:13:34.340 that is interfacing with a campaign at any

01:13:37.660 point during the final weeks of the

01:13:39.540 campaign and they're having gives and

01:13:40.920 takes like we know that they're about a

01:13:43.180 campaign plan something needs to change

01:13:45.620 something needs to insulate a process of

01:13:48.380 intelligence homes let me give you one more

01:13:50.580 from from the documents we was in our am

01:13:52.960 update podcast this morning there's another

01:13:54.920 piece of evidence in there in what just

01:13:56.720 got released from that house report from

01:13:58.640 2020 that was in the vault that Loretta

01:14:03.540 Lynch Barack Obama's attorney general who

01:14:07.500 oversees FBI was allegedly informing the

01:14:11.520 Clinton campaign of what the FBI was doing

01:14:14.800 and where its investigation into her stood and

01:14:20.120 keeping tabs on the FBI agent who was running

01:14:22.920 it and on Comey I mean I mean that's why we

01:14:25.420 don't again we don't Megan we don't know

01:14:27.160 that's true but that's one of the allegations

01:14:28.620 keep going if that's not prosecutable we need

01:14:32.100 to make a law to make it prosecutable because

01:14:35.120 that is wildly inappropriate it it has to

01:14:39.520 change it's it's it goes beyond just the loss

01:14:42.360 of trust in our institutions I mean thank God we

01:14:46.100 were not attacked in a significant way during

01:14:48.500 that period of time I mean aren't they supposed

01:14:50.300 to be doing their day jobs to keep us safe

01:14:52.680 instead of playing grab ass with reporters and

01:14:55.140 like pretend like moonlighting his campaign

01:14:57.440 operatives I mean what was the one thing that

01:14:59.580 we learned ahead of 9-11 that all of these all

01:15:02.520 of these entities were out for their own

01:15:04.380 benefit and they weren't talking to each other

01:15:06.620 and therefore it led to a cataclysmic result in

01:15:09.360 New York and in the months in the years and the

01:15:12.460 weeks after 9-11 all of the intel communities

01:15:15.860 came together and they were sharing information

01:15:18.320 and they took it very seriously that we need to

01:15:20.400 protect this country somehow when Obama became

01:15:23.200 president they all became campaign operatives and

01:15:26.700 took their eye off the ball I just have to say like

01:15:28.900 from a national security perspective I think this is a

01:15:31.540 very very important issue and the thing is by the way

01:15:34.340 John Brennan is still to this day an MSNBC contributor

01:15:37.180 yeah that's the thing that's the thing is the only way behavior

01:15:40.660 changes is when there are consequences that's the only

01:15:43.260 teacher that people understand and learn lessons from there

01:15:46.320 have to be dire consequences there have to be charges brought

01:15:49.360 up against these people I don't care whether we think

01:15:52.400 they'll see the inside of a jail cell or not I want the

01:15:54.840 Justice Department to use everything in its power I mean when

01:15:58.600 the government sues you it's a problem because they've got

01:16:00.880 more money and resources they bankrupt people let's bankrupt

01:16:03.580 all these people he sold his soul for an MSNBC

01:16:06.420 contributors ship I want him bankrupted at the very least I

01:16:09.620 pray to God he sees a jail cell he'd still have a security

01:16:11.880 clearance if it wasn't for Trump by the way we need those other

01:16:15.560 agents who warned him to be subpoenaed you know those are the

01:16:20.340 agents we want to hear from there needs to be some sort of

01:16:22.100 congressional proceeding where we hear directly from them and

01:16:26.200 because apparently there are now multiple I mean I've heard

01:16:29.260 there were dozens in some of these reports who are ready to at

01:16:33.640 least behind the scenes stand up and say I tried to tell them not

01:16:36.480 to do this and they didn't listen to me I mean it was a John Brennan

01:16:39.080 special from all accounts and a Jim Comey special that's why there's no

01:16:43.300 accident that that's why the CIA referred those two yes they found some

01:16:47.200 recent grounds apparently to do it but I mean I'm sure it's related to their

01:16:51.880 ongoing deceit campaign against the government I mean in fairness I guess

01:16:57.080 yes the press too though the press's job is not to just be stenographers for the

01:17:01.400 intel community and they did at WAPO and they did at New York Times and they

01:17:04.540 did at Politico and they did at CNN and the American public most importantly of

01:17:09.300 all just completely misled and then they'll put like Obama's

01:17:13.640 like oh we did more we did no more than conclude what everyone knows we said

01:17:18.300 Russia interfered how does everyone know that President Obama how does

01:17:22.500 everyone know because you and your people spread the lie you put it in these

01:17:26.620 intel reports you leaked it to every media outlet in the country you beat the

01:17:30.400 drum for years and people don't have enough time to run down these massive lies

01:17:36.680 especially when you take the proof that they're lies and shove them in vaults in

01:17:41.280 Langley my imaginary viewer Madge in Iowa she doesn't have access to that nor does

01:17:46.900 she have the fucking time or inclination to go try to figure this shit out it's

01:17:51.420 ridiculous right right now there needs to be accountability and it needs that look

01:17:56.940 it's gonna take hard work by shows like yours shows like ours and independent

01:18:01.980 media and everything else because as a evidence of what we're talking about all

01:18:06.900 the people who created the problem are still in on it yep and you're not gonna

01:18:10.300 find it this on CNN you're not gonna find this if you find it on CNN it'll be

01:18:14.760 Barack Obama's triumphant slap back yeah yeah of the lunatic Tulsi yeah yeah yeah

01:18:22.940 through a spokesperson right and it's just it's nonsense it's garbage can I ask

01:18:28.620 you about cuz I asked Taibbi about this but you you know you're of the Senate

01:18:31.700 what do you make because this is emerging as a principled defense the pod save

01:18:37.540 guys McCarthy and others pointing to the fact that the Senate Intel Committee did

01:18:43.180 its own investigation into the Russian interference and they say under Marco

01:18:48.080 Rubio as chair concluded that that intelligence community assessment was

01:18:52.880 right that there was interference meant to help Trump and both you know Molly

01:18:58.860 has serious Molly Hemingway I pointed out to Matt has serious doubts about how

01:19:02.040 they got there did they rely on the same Intel did they just do the rubber

01:19:05.140 stamping or you're saying they did their other they did their own Intel Matt Taibbi

01:19:09.720 suggested that they did their own but Matt's point was it was very flimsy at best

01:19:13.960 because the main guy they were basing a lot of it on was never even contacted by

01:19:17.760 anybody on that committee so what do you say to the left's chief tool in trying to

01:19:24.400 bat down the Tulsi story by saying look at the Senate the Senate the Senate the

01:19:27.760 Senate yeah I think it's two different issues right they were trying to figure

01:19:31.200 out whether there was significant action by Russia that affected the outcome of the

01:19:36.820 2016 campaign in many ways their conclusion on that by the way was it did not it did

01:19:41.700 not what they're pointing to what the left is pointing to is the conclusion that

01:19:46.900 Russia in fact did have some involvement again I think you mentioned it at the top

01:19:51.760 of the show and I know Duncan just talked about it can you argue whether or not

01:19:55.340 150 or 200 thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads affected an election no you

01:19:59.880 certainly can't can you argue that 150 or 200 thousand dollars worth of Facebook

01:20:04.040 ads trying to sow discord was interference I mean technically you could you could

01:20:09.020 just because that did happen that's their bread and butter yeah I mean that and

01:20:13.680 they do that like you said in every election in probably every country across

01:20:17.960 the no I'm pretty sure that's how I lost the fifth grade presidency I had a very

01:20:22.500 solid platform right right which by the way the Obama administration was doing in

01:20:27.180 Israel to try to oust Netanyahu at the time with far greater resources than

01:20:31.300 150 to 200 thousand yeah I mean you name it you name it right I mean so the idea

01:20:37.420 that this is somehow a novel concept that Russia was just trying to do this with the

01:20:42.160 United States is insane but I think that their conclusion what they were attempting

01:20:46.120 to conclude in that Senate report is totally irrelevant from the conversation

01:20:51.240 that we're having now if they were tasked at actually finding out how all of this

01:20:56.520 became part of the public lexicon they probably would have found out what we're

01:21:01.420 talking about now that this thing is buried that this somehow was conjured up by

01:21:05.880 Brennan and co to try to figure out how to perpetuate a narrative to delegitimize the

01:21:11.000 Trump administration that wasn't the remit at the time and so I just find it

01:21:15.960 hilarious that they're trying to use that as somehow an insulation to the

01:21:20.200 intelligence that we now know for the first time is the American public but was

01:21:24.700 there since 2016 the only way we're really gonna get this nailed down I mean

01:21:31.180 with more documents that are in the public and the newspapers have to cover is

01:21:34.680 if there is a criminal charge because everyone's ignoring it I mean I listen to

01:21:39.180 the New York Times is the daily you know often they haven't touched it that I know

01:21:45.200 I do it because I like to keep an eye on both sides you know I don't want

01:21:47.320 anybody corrupting my mind but they haven't touched it they haven't touched it

01:21:52.260 that's the New York Times is daily news podcast has not touched it and the only

01:21:57.160 way of making these newspapers who were complicit start covering it I do think

01:22:02.640 are actual charges not just investigations not referrals actual charges by the way

01:22:08.240 we need to hire more lawyers at the DOJ ASAP they are understaffed all right

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01:25:48.320 even for people like me who don't know much about it that's the name you know he was a larger than life

01:25:53.760 figure his you know enthusiasm his I did love of country that hit how fun he was was obvious to

01:26:01.880 anybody who spent two minutes with this guy used to go on Fox a lot um what do you make of it because

01:26:06.400 now we've had three losses guys of you know well-known people in the past few days Malcolm Jamal

01:26:11.880 Warner Ozzy Osbourne and now Hulk yeah I mean it looked tough week for children of the 80s

01:26:20.180 no question yeah on on on the Hulkster in particular I it is hard to fully encapsulate and explain

01:26:27.900 what a cultural icon that guy was you know and I think to people are just sort of becoming aware of

01:26:34.620 him or were unaware of the 80s and 90s you know you think of a political context during that that big

01:26:41.300 speech but this guy transformed not only wrestling everything I mean he was wrap your flag and around

01:26:48.300 it sort of symbolic of the rise of the Reagan era and into the 90s and and the whole wrestling

01:26:56.720 culture and and I mean this guy was America always was and I mean we were down uh on the floor during

01:27:06.520 the convention watching him deliver that speech that you just played that's it was electric seeing

01:27:11.060 it in person because you remember as a kid seeing him during the Reagan era it's perfect comparison

01:27:16.040 because he was like a symbol of American greatness and Americans feeling great and and coming back

01:27:20.720 from the malaise and that America's number one and he was always so patriotic and then for it to come

01:27:25.720 full circle and see him there at the convention yet again taking a stand for America making America

01:27:32.220 great again it was electric and the audience just starts chanting USA it was an incredible moment

01:27:38.200 he'd always been a huge patriot and an inspiration to Americans of how great a country we have and it's

01:27:45.020 also important to remember one of his many patriotic things is he destroyed Gawker a fake news

01:27:50.820 organization taught him a lesson that you can't get away with printing lies and the more consequences

01:27:57.400 you know the fake news gets the better yeah I think it was one of those because it was this

01:28:02.380 you know celebrity salacious news tabloid website that was just absolutely vicious and they printed

01:28:09.460 a story about they were airing sex tapes if memory serves of him with a woman he was having an affair

01:28:16.080 with she was the wife of his friend Bubba somebody Bubba the love sponge and Steve reminds me Bubba of

01:28:24.800 course how did I forget and um he was one of the first celebrities to sort of stand up and say you can't

01:28:30.320 do this to me and we later found out I believe it was bankrolled by Peter Thiel right who was like

01:28:34.560 in favor of taking a stand on this and he brought down Gawker I mean it was not a victory for free

01:28:40.400 speech but free speech even in America has some limitations you cannot just go as a news person and

01:28:47.860 openly actively invade somebody's private life with defamatory material uh to that degree and not

01:28:56.380 expect to pay a penalty and that was made clear by the courts keep going we are going to say

01:28:59.500 something Duncan yeah it was just sort of a surreal moment there at the convention because you know

01:29:04.720 back to Holmes's point he really was a cultural icon even be just beyond wrestling he was like

01:29:09.540 you know he was such a commodity too I remember growing up and having a wrestle buddy which was

01:29:15.320 basically like this like this pillow that is like sort of formed to his body and I remember being a

01:29:21.280 little kid and we had one of those and one of the macho man Randy Savage ones and like you could put

01:29:26.220 him in a headlock and so like sitting there you know at the convention in 2020 being like the the

01:29:32.140 wrestle buddy guy that I grew up on is now on this stage talking about how we have to elect Donald

01:29:37.940 Trump was just sort of a surreal moment and just it speaks to like how he he endured as that cultural

01:29:44.780 icon for decades which is an incredible thing to do in entertainment yeah I think he was more than

01:29:50.380 just a a cultural icon too and a big personality the guy obviously had a very big heart you've seen

01:29:56.280 all the videos you've heard all the stories it's one of my favorite videos is when this dad is walking

01:30:01.660 in like two or three years ago he's walking into an autograph signing session he's got his six-year-old

01:30:06.600 kid with him and a six-year-old kid comes in and he's like getting ready to beat up Hulkamania

01:30:10.860 and Hulk Hogan gets up and he's like he's gonna fight him back again and it's just like you put

01:30:15.480 yourself in the shoes of that dad you grew up every Saturday morning rooting on Hulk Hogan fighting

01:30:19.580 against the Iron Sheik and you know macho man and everybody and you watch your kid get up there and

01:30:27.000 just do the muscles and Hulkamania reacts like this is a guy who had a very very big heart and cared

01:30:32.900 about people I mean it seems like it's always the ones with the big hearts that go by cardiac arrest

01:30:39.420 for some reason you know it just seems like this bitter irony that those big hearts wind up failing

01:30:43.840 them he was a giant you know of a man um Terry Bollea was his real name and he's really gonna be

01:30:50.260 missed I it's sad to see your icons die it's sad it's sad to see even if you have no personal

01:30:54.540 connection with them like Ozzy Osbourne too I I didn't know Ozzy at all I'm not one of those people

01:30:59.380 who had met him but I knew Sharon I know Sharon she's a delight I love her she's been on the show

01:31:05.440 she's just so sweet she's so fun those two had a real love affair I mean legit and despite all of

01:31:13.200 his successes and riches he said to his dying day the best thing he ever did in his life was Mary

01:31:18.560 Sharon Osbourne and just in the past couple of days watching the tributes to them to him come out it's

01:31:24.740 been so entertaining because I didn't know that much about Ozzy I wasn't like a Black Sabbath fan but

01:31:29.080 I liked him as a personality and he he just always seemed so funny one of the clips they surfaced

01:31:34.160 was of him on his reality show with her they they kind of invented reality tv um where she was like

01:31:39.440 oh the truck driver he's been issued a citation oh yeah yeah he says what how come well it turns out

01:31:47.380 he was getting a blow job while he was driving the truck yeah sounds about right yeah yeah and he was

01:31:53.200 entirely naked okay well that'll do it that'll do it Ozzy Osbourne's not shocked at all or horrified that

01:32:01.780 his employee was caught in this condition just a Tuesday at the Osbourne's yes right like these

01:32:08.680 rock stars like our true rock stars ours the UK's whatever they've had these huge lives right you

01:32:15.920 kind of forget like how mega those lives can go to where can you imagine like Duncan coming home and

01:32:23.000 finding out like one of the ruthless producers was pulled over we try to live the exact same way

01:32:30.620 Megan that's that's you know we we've got a big tent can I bring up something uh I didn't know I

01:32:38.620 didn't see it was mentioned as one of the possible topics but I'd be remiss if I didn't bring this up

01:32:42.180 you completely destroyed Doug Emhoff's ex on Twitter did you guys see this I haven't I mean I I'm

01:32:50.160 honestly an expert in in Twitter history I think that's the most brutal body bagging

01:32:55.040 oh thank you yes do you believe this person the nerve of Doug Emhoff's ex-wife to try to

01:33:04.860 shit stir with me step away madam huge mistake huge mistake she doesn't listen to the show

01:33:13.800 exactly a simple google search would have told her it's not a good idea um I'm going to hurt you

01:33:20.120 and it's it's going to be painful she jumped in from the train was like I got this

01:33:23.320 those who didn't see it hold on a second I'll find it um god let's see she okay her name is

01:33:32.300 Kirsten Emhoff K-E-R-S-T-I-N which is already where she's a problem nobody should spell their name

01:33:39.580 Kirsten and she she was mad about my J-Lo commentary the other day where I said she's

01:33:46.340 too old at 55 to be making her living solely on being this sex kitten who people want to F

01:33:54.280 I'm sorry I just think it's sad it's like even the the greatest sex kitten of all time

01:34:01.500 Anne Margaret understood by her mid-50s to approach life with a bit more class she was still sexy as

01:34:07.980 hell but she knew people were going to want to hear her talk and hear her speak more than they

01:34:14.880 were going to just want her shake see her shake her boobs at them J-Lo hasn't gotten the message

01:34:20.480 and is still out there literally half naked shoving her vag into the faces of her dancers

01:34:26.180 on stage it's too much that was my commentary Kirsten didn't like it so she tweeted out without

01:34:34.300 cc-ing me without adding me yeah I bet tons of people look at J-Lo and want to have sex with her

01:34:39.740 Megan spelled wrong if you actually think post-menopausal women can't be sexual you are

01:34:45.220 missing out you can close up your 55 year old shop while the rest of us are open for business

01:34:51.500 oh not for nothing but this is one of the most unattractive people on Twitter I'm sorry

01:34:57.240 the thought of Kirsten Emhoff being open for business is jarring and upsetting in and of itself

01:35:02.720 and my response for the record was he's already dead you were too was you were too chicken shit to

01:35:11.820 actually cc me on your post Kirsten but let's just say I'm sexy enough to keep my husband from

01:35:17.920 sleeping with the nanny yeah unlike J-Lo however I don't feel the need to fake hump a bunch of

01:35:24.540 strangers to prove I've still got it I believe that's pretty much the end of Kirsten Emhoff as it

01:35:30.620 should be I think you look care of that holy smokes well look reasonable people can disagree about

01:35:37.340 uh whether J-Lo doing on stage is uh something we'd like to see or not but I think we can all

01:35:43.240 conclude that you probably shouldn't come at Megan with something yeah yeah and the video you had it's

01:35:50.000 like very clear like okay this is a bit out of pocket you make a great point why would she jump in on

01:35:56.140 this that guy needs a snorkel I have no idea and by the way I I've been told by reliable sources

01:36:02.440 Kirsten Emhoff plays for the other team I I don't even think she if she's open for business nothing's

01:36:08.320 going in um oh my god I have it on good authority but look she this is a woman who was married to

01:36:17.320 a man who turned out to be a woman abuser a real shit of a person and reportedly cheated on her while

01:36:24.340 they were married with the nanny which is an extra bonus I mean look I I realize some marriages break

01:36:30.080 up but there's a real question about why she's out there was she out there during the campaign

01:36:34.800 defending him and by the way Kirsten now that you've rattled my cage I'm looking into exactly why you did

01:36:40.620 that and what favors Doug Emhoff and his wife Kamala Harris may have done for you in your legal life

01:36:46.300 because she's been involved in some legal battles um possibly led to your adoration

01:36:51.460 so keep keep coming for me madam I'm here I'm looking forward to it

01:36:56.340 also do the sleeping dogs let them lie

01:37:00.180 oh my gosh that's incredible I mean to be honest with you who that's married to like a woman abuser and

01:37:07.840 a serial cheater from what we hear and somebody who allegedly impregnated the nanny but certainly

01:37:14.160 seems to have at least been sleeping with her wants to run out there talking to others about

01:37:18.720 their about how sexy they are to their husbands my god woman yeah stop slow your roll makes no sense

01:37:25.380 makes no sense I will say like I'm gonna have to take your word on her sexual orientation I don't

01:37:29.960 know anything about that uh but if you marry Doug Emhoff I get it right I get it like it's pretty tough

01:37:38.440 to stay on the same squad if that's your only frame of reference right he could turn you he could

01:37:43.960 turn you it's true maybe we should be feeling sorry for her though she's standing by you know

01:37:48.340 she stood by him at that campaign she looked at him with the doe-eyed uh you know look at the

01:37:54.100 convention and um now I'm really interested why she did that now I suddenly do care Kirsten why you

01:38:00.940 did that and um I'm gonna try to find out okay so thank you for bringing that up smug because

01:38:05.720 that was a fun thing that we didn't officially have on the agenda but why not why shouldn't we

01:38:10.140 um okay lastly Epstein the um deputy attorney general is meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell today

01:38:18.340 which ought to be potentially interesting for him query whether we can really believe a thing she

01:38:23.240 says because she's going to want to cop a deal to get out of prison early but it's happening um the

01:38:28.260 the house has also uh I think either issued a subpoena or settled on a plan to try to depose her

01:38:34.900 in front of congress may still have some some similar problems as the wall street journal

01:38:40.400 offers its second attack on trump and Epstein saying trump was told in may by his justice department

01:38:49.240 I think Pam Bondi that he is allegedly in the Epstein files which is supposed to be a big headline

01:38:54.560 but didn't Elon Musk tell us all that prior to then I like we've known that thanks to Elon

01:39:01.060 um and this all the the wall street journal you know publishing that thing about his alleged letter

01:39:06.160 to Epstein and now publishing that he was allegedly told he's in the files along with hundreds of

01:39:10.780 others by the way um has led to this moment on the view today watch and before we go on hiatus we

01:39:18.840 only have one more show after this I'm allowed to say that right too late now so it doesn't really

01:39:24.440 matter yeah before we go I wanted to tell people that the tide is turning the tide is turning and

01:39:31.300 things are changing I mean the ultimate irony would be that Rupert Murdoch will take him down

01:39:36.420 yeah uh Fox News who created the monster will take him down okay so Fox News is going to take him

01:39:43.320 because he Rupert owns Fox and Rupert owns the journal and now she's determined I guess that Rupert's

01:39:49.960 going to end Trump this will be the thing that does it because Rupert's journal will continue

01:39:56.080 reporting that the Epstein scandal as the left is now trying to make it is all about DJT your thoughts

01:40:02.320 it's just so dumb I mean this thing is veered so far off the tracks it's it you almost have to have

01:40:08.420 like a full SSRI prescription just to begin discussing where the the left has taken that I mean

01:40:16.600 my patience for anyone like Joey Joey Behar uh to even weigh in on this or any Democrats in Congress

01:40:25.520 to weigh in on this is infinitely small they had 12 long years to try to examine anything they wanted

01:40:32.880 to examine with the Epstein files by the way this brought what 80 charges 80 different indictments

01:40:38.320 against Donald Trump in the process while they're sitting on all this information somehow this like

01:40:42.700 lost the graphs and so now their newfound interest is simply political right and I think this is the

01:40:48.700 problem that we find ourselves like there are answers that need to be done I think the Trump

01:40:52.240 administration seems more than committed to trying to figure out exactly because now we need transparency

01:40:58.560 on everything what happened here but like the fact that this is political it's truly I hate it I just

01:41:06.680 hate it yep well it just goes to show you the left they never cared about it and they still don't care

01:41:11.020 if they still cared about it they wouldn't be trying to make it political and all about Trump go ahead

01:41:15.380 Michael well I was gonna say it's just like Russia hacked the election like Epstein files has become

01:41:21.080 for the liberals this catch-all thing where they feel like they can get Trump I mean we know from like

01:41:26.440 we know from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and the depositions and stuff that Trump you know had some

01:41:31.780 interactions with Jeffrey Epstein no but but when I think of Epstein files I think of like here are the

01:41:36.740 people who diddle kids right like not like hearsay from some court document you know no one it right

01:41:42.840 no one sane believes there's anything damning about Trump and the Epstein exactly or the Biden

01:41:47.960 administration would have released it fellas wonderful to see you thanks for being here gotta

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 24, 2025

Bombshell Russiagate Docs Explained, and the Truth About Putin and Hillary, with Matt Taibbi and Ruthless ｜ Ep. 1115

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