The Megyn Kelly Show - Bombshell School Videos, and Dark Brandon's Speech, with Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 385

00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal

00:00:02.160 on a wool coat from Winners,

00:00:03.760 I started wondering,

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00:00:08.560 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00

00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?

00:00:12.780 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:00:15.260 Did she pay full price?

00:00:16.600 Or that leather tote?

00:00:17.600 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:00:18.500 Or those knee-high boots?

00:00:20.300 That dress?

00:00:21.080 That jacket?

00:00:21.740 Those shoes?

00:00:22.780 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.740 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.420 Hope you enjoyed the long holiday weekend.

00:00:48.240 Now it's back to reality.

00:00:49.300 My kids went back to school today.

00:00:50.880 Did yours? 1.00

00:00:52.040 It was, I mean, it's such a shit show 1.00

00:00:53.460 getting everybody out of the house. 1.00

00:00:55.040 You forget, you know, you wake up.

00:00:56.500 It's still dark outside.

00:00:57.560 It's about to get even darker as fall sets in.

00:01:01.180 Everybody's tired.

00:01:02.440 We went to get my little guy Thatcher up this morning

00:01:05.040 and Doug said,

00:01:06.360 Thatcher, come on. 1.00

00:01:06.960 It's time to pop.

00:01:07.960 He goes, I don't want to pop.

00:01:09.860 I want to stay a colonel.

00:01:12.840 Everyone's tired.

00:01:13.720 And then, you won't be surprised to learn,

00:01:16.640 we come downstairs.

00:01:18.460 We're back in Connecticut.

00:01:19.980 And I'm getting the kids breakfast.

00:01:23.520 Doug's getting the kids breakfast.

00:01:24.680 Everything.

00:01:25.080 And I look over and Strudwick had done an enormous dump.

00:01:28.780 In my living room. 0.83

00:01:32.340 And he has diarrhea.

00:01:35.220 Why?

00:01:36.320 My dog.

00:01:37.320 He's so bad.

00:01:39.220 I know.

00:01:39.900 I love him.

00:01:40.800 But good God, he's so bad.

00:01:43.000 Anyway, it's not just us.

00:01:44.520 All across the country today.

00:01:46.760 Dogs are crapping.

00:01:48.000 Kids are complaining.

00:01:49.760 And going back to school.

00:01:51.300 And let me tell you, folks,

00:01:52.520 you need to pay attention this year.

00:01:54.300 If you think you can just ship them off by bus, by car, by foot, by bike,

00:01:58.960 and not pay attention, think again.

00:02:01.900 Some of our worst fears about education and indoctrination are confirmed,

00:02:07.000 are being confirmed by the day, thanks to, God bless James O'Keefe, okay?

00:02:11.300 God bless this guy.

00:02:12.760 Thanks to Project Veritas.

00:02:14.800 He doesn't care what they say about him.

00:02:16.440 He continues to put his reporters undercover and to unearth people's true character.

00:02:22.540 And now he's taken focus on educators, on administrators at our nation's K-12 schools,

00:02:32.680 just in time, again, for the reopening.

00:02:35.500 They published one video of a school administrator at one of New York City's most elite schools.

00:02:43.480 I mean, literally, this school is considered the number one school in the nation by a lot of

00:02:47.340 ranking systems and so on.

00:02:49.380 It costs $60,000 a year to go there.

00:02:52.460 Trinity is the school.

00:02:54.640 And he's got this administrator admitting that she sneaks her left-wing agenda into the classroom. 0.99

00:03:01.320 She intentionally silences conservative voices.

00:03:04.360 And that's not even close to the worst of it.

00:03:07.420 Here is just a sampling of this woman's views, including the suggestion, 1.00

00:03:11.720 so funny, that they should get a serial killer to kill the white boys. 1.00

00:03:16.840 It's definitely a school where conservatives would not feel comfortable. 1.00

00:03:20.940 Unfortunately, it's the white boys who feel very entitled to express their opposite opinions 0.99

00:03:27.160 and just push fast. 1.00

00:03:28.880 But there's a huge contingent of them that are just, like, horrible.

00:03:32.540 And you're like, are you always going to be horrible? 0.91

00:03:34.720 Or are you just going to be horrible right now? 0.61

00:03:36.900 I don't know. 0.99

00:03:37.940 Is there any saving, these Republican, like, white guys?

00:03:43.460 I think they need to go. 1.00

00:03:45.020 No, I think they're really awful people. 0.67

00:03:47.520 Yeah. 0.98

00:03:48.740 That's kind of what I'm afraid of with my white students that are rich.

00:03:52.840 I'm like, do you ever have to deal with this?

00:03:56.260 They're so protected by capitalism.

00:03:59.520 It makes me sad.

00:04:00.980 White guy.

00:04:01.440 Find some, like, Dexter's.

00:04:02.860 You're going to be, like, go together.

00:04:04.020 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:05.820 I just wonder how many, like...

00:04:07.040 Vigilante.

00:04:07.900 Yeah.

00:04:08.500 Oh, no.

00:04:08.780 Taking people out.

00:04:10.720 There's something wrong with her.

00:04:12.440 There's something wrong with Jennifer Norris. 0.65

00:04:15.220 For the record, she's now been placed on paid leave while they investigate at Trinity.

00:04:21.140 $60,000 a year to get Jennifer Norris to think about murdering your child because he's white and a boy. 0.99

00:04:29.040 Joining me now are friends from the Fifth Column podcast, Matt Welsh, editor-at-large for Reason Magazine,

00:04:36.060 Michael Moynihan, a correspondent for Vice News Tonight, and Camille Foster of Freethink Media.

00:04:45.640 Welcome back to the show, guys.

00:04:47.240 Can you believe this woman?

00:04:50.640 Thanks for having us, man.

00:04:52.620 I absolutely believe this woman.

00:04:55.480 Right.

00:04:55.920 My daughter goes to a private school in New York, and she hasn't started yet, as yours actually starts later this week.

00:05:04.840 I think they sent her off to Havana to cut sugar cane for the first week, and then they come back, and then they do the indoctrination.

00:05:12.980 But, no, there's literally nothing surprising about this.

00:05:16.640 You know, and look, I'm going to get...

00:05:17.920 I'll get hate mail for this.

00:05:18.780 I'm not a huge fan of the technique that James O'Keefe uses, and there's nothing surprising about this to me.

00:05:25.120 It's a private school.

00:05:26.200 You should actually know this, and you're paying for this stuff.

00:05:28.740 And I hope that kind of wakes people up and says, you know, maybe your $60,000 is better spent elsewhere.

00:05:34.980 Now, keep in mind, this is the school that Eric Trump went to, Oliver Stone went to.

00:05:39.000 I mean, there's a long list of kind of luminaries and rather wealthy people that went there.

00:05:45.900 Katie Couric sent her kids there. 0.77

00:05:46.840 But, you know, the crazy thing about it is the...

00:05:49.380 I can't remember the exact phrase, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong on this.

00:05:52.560 And she said, you know, it's the white boys with their other views, their opposite views.

00:05:58.080 Does she understand what school is for?

00:06:00.120 Because apparently she doesn't.

00:06:01.700 There's like...

00:06:02.180 There's one view, and there's these kids who are diverging. 1.00

00:06:05.600 I guess they should all be murdered. 0.98

00:06:06.940 But there's kids with these other views, which she then, I believe, blames on capitalism. 0.99

00:06:13.320 I don't understand anybody.

00:06:15.140 So I'm more offended that the entire argument is incoherent.

00:06:18.940 Yeah.

00:06:19.680 You know, she's straight out of central casting, I have to say.

00:06:22.040 You know, she's got like the nose ring, and she's got sort of the gender neutral appearance. 1.00

00:06:27.360 And, you know, she's like the boys, the white boys in particular are the problems. 0.84

00:06:31.640 So what they all need to look like you in order to be accepted at Trinity School.

00:06:36.620 They all need to certainly think like you.

00:06:39.780 And I don't know how James O'Keefe manages to get like his staff to continue getting these

00:06:45.500 administrators to speak so openly about their views.

00:06:47.620 But I have to think they're just pretty close to the surface for them to be talking so openly

00:06:53.140 like this.

00:06:53.720 There's no like hushed tone.

00:06:55.340 She's proud of it.

00:06:56.240 So I would love to talk to James about his strategy and tactics.

00:07:01.520 And what it seems like is there's a lot of honey traps taking place.

00:07:05.240 And you will often find that there are these men divulging their secrets to someone who

00:07:09.520 sounds like a young woman who I presume, you know, is it at least an eight or a ten or 0.59

00:07:15.540 sorry, an eight or a nine.

00:07:17.180 Camille's like, this isn't my first rodeo.

00:07:19.740 I know how this goes.

00:07:20.820 I'm just saying that's that's sufficiently enough to kind of entice you to start spilling

00:07:25.920 the beans and sharing all your secrets.

00:07:28.100 But but apparently willing to do this with both genders doesn't quite care about your 0.79

00:07:32.660 sexuality.

00:07:33.200 But I imagine there's a lot of kind of hot or not fishing going on.

00:07:37.620 But it's amazing to me like you because there's so many questions and we're going to show you

00:07:41.660 some of the tapes.

00:07:42.140 And by the way, I think we're having James O'Keefe join us later this week.

00:07:45.780 So I'll ask him.

00:07:46.620 But it's amazing to me how many questions the undercover journalist asks these administrators

00:07:51.440 about liberal versus conservative.

00:07:53.620 How do you do it?

00:07:54.340 How do you keep them?

00:07:55.360 You know, the Republicans, the speakers and so on out of the school, out of the class.

00:07:58.660 And they never catch on.

00:08:00.100 If somebody had me just kept tweaking over and over, I think at some point I'd be like, 0.98

00:08:06.780 holy shit, I better put down this margarita and maybe rethink this date. 0.87

00:08:10.360 So in fairness, not everyone is expecting to have their kind of date surreptitiously recorded 0.99

00:08:18.260 by people trying to smoke them out at a private school.

00:08:22.040 I mean, you know, this is you can find monocultures in a lot of different places in this country.

00:08:26.840 And God knows the New York City school system, as all of us here have had experience with

00:08:32.000 it, with the exception of Camille, but he's been close enough to it.

00:08:34.660 But God knows that that can be a monoculture and just filled with jargon.

00:08:39.880 I recommend if anyone hasn't to read George Packer's Atlantic piece that was like five

00:08:44.380 trillion words long from three or four years back, talking about navigating what turns out

00:08:48.860 to be kind of my system in Brooklyn.

00:08:51.880 You just like most normal people would read this and say, my God, I don't even recognize

00:08:56.320 the language that's being spoken.

00:08:57.920 But you can find monocultures in a lot of different places with a lot of different slants on it. 0.93

00:09:02.520 I don't think James O'Keefe will be going in the middle of Kansas somewhere to try to

00:09:06.840 find, you know, if there's a conservative place that like, yeah, you know, these these

00:09:11.980 liberals that come over here, we got to do something with them.

00:09:14.500 In fairness, I don't think that that place necessarily exists.

00:09:17.520 No, neither do I.

00:09:18.540 There's something about there's something about that process, which which strikes me as a

00:09:22.400 little bit sketchy.

00:09:24.400 This is confirming something that we've seen.

00:09:26.600 And for the rest of the country, looking at this saying, oh, my God, this woman is from

00:09:30.000 Mars.

00:09:30.660 No, she's from New York. 0.89

00:09:31.640 This is that's the thing.

00:09:34.220 So it's like, all right.

00:09:35.240 So I realize James has gotten criticism for the tactics they use.

00:09:38.460 But I stand by what I said.

00:09:40.340 God bless this guy, because we do need to see it.

00:09:43.120 It's like the Disney situation where somebody pressed record on that executive and people

00:09:47.420 didn't have to suppose anymore about Disney's secret agenda.

00:09:52.600 It was all on camera, just like we don't have to suppose now like these teachers who then

00:09:57.300 wind up blaming libs of tick tock for taking something they said on Instagram out of context.

00:10:02.060 No, I can see you say what context makes your joke about hiring a serial killer to take 0.99

00:10:09.540 out the white boys. 0.94

00:10:10.860 What context could make that better? 0.52

00:10:13.080 I understand you think that's an appropriate joke as the mother of two white boys. 1.00

00:10:18.240 I tell you, you can fuck right off. 1.00

00:10:20.340 I'm sorry, but you're not funny. 1.00

00:10:22.380 Your school sucks. 1.00

00:10:24.160 And what lunatic would pay sixty thousand dollars a year to send their child there? 1.00

00:10:27.500 I don't care if you're liberal or not. 0.97

00:10:29.000 All my friends are liberal. 1.00

00:10:31.260 Most of them will be really deeply offended by this shit. 1.00

00:10:34.220 These lunatics have access to our children and it's alarming. 1.00

00:10:37.420 And so, again, God bless James O'Keefe and this crazy lunatic of Trinity. 0.98

00:10:41.940 I'll give you one more soundbite before I get on to her buddy in Connecticut. 1.00

00:10:45.160 Everywhere I go, these lunatics are, you guys. 0.96

00:10:48.700 I moved to Connecticut. 0.98

00:10:49.860 Now there's another guy here.

00:10:50.700 It's a 200 mile radius.

00:10:51.880 You got to get out of it.

00:10:53.200 This is the problem.

00:10:54.600 It's a long story.

00:10:55.400 All right, here's the second soundbite we cut from this person, Jennifer, about how even at Trinity, okay, which is already, as you point out, in the New York City private school system, far left to begin with, okay?

00:11:07.600 But even there, she's having trouble because she's finding she has to sneak some of her left wing agenda in because apparently there's at least some person there who's like, well, you might have to not do like the craziest stuff.

00:11:19.240 Here she is soundbite, too. 0.69

00:11:20.400 Like, there's always groups of teachers who are like, I want to do these things, but the administration just wouldn't let us.

00:11:27.860 So we've been just sneaking things in, in the cracks.

00:11:31.060 I just keep trying to, like, disrupt whoever I can.

00:11:33.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:34.200 And now that I'm in this position, I have so many opportunities to do that.

00:11:37.700 And I said, there are some speakers I am not even going to put on the plate for them.

00:11:42.420 And if that's a problem, I cannot be in charge of them.

00:11:45.520 Yeah.

00:11:45.700 And he was like, no.

00:11:47.200 He said, this isn't a time for the, like, both sides.

00:11:50.280 Like, he said, we're not in that place in our society.

00:11:53.460 I like him.

00:11:54.460 He's your dean, he said?

00:11:55.520 He's the principal of the high school.

00:11:56.820 So you guys wouldn't let Republican perspectives on campus?

00:12:00.540 Good.

00:12:01.340 That's crazy.

00:12:02.300 Yeah.

00:12:02.620 And then she talks about how if you sneak off campus to go do a demonstration, you're supposed to get suspended or you're supposed to get a detention.

00:12:10.940 But she makes detention really fun.

00:12:12.800 And they just talk about social justice activities while there.

00:12:15.640 I mean, you wonder why you get these lunatics on the college campuses and then running corporate America.

00:12:21.740 This is the pipeline, guys. 0.82

00:12:23.420 This is the pipeline exposed.

00:12:26.080 It's the pipeline.

00:12:27.340 The pipeline is the public education system.

00:12:30.040 Trinity, the people who are coming out of Trinity aren't necessarily going to be those people.

00:12:33.680 They're going to be Oliver Stone.

00:12:34.820 They're going to be, like, investment bankers who live in your neighborhood, Megan.

00:12:38.400 It's the people I'm worried about, the people who are spending my money to do this and teaching my kids, in this case, that pipeline, which contains a lot of the similar things.

00:12:50.500 You know, there's a place in a school in Manhattan that told kids in middle school in the morning, all right, let's everyone segregate by race.

00:12:58.800 And then we're going to go and talk about, you know, our various things.

00:13:01.720 Hold on.

00:13:02.300 You are a public school doing this.

00:13:04.920 And that's where I think the locus of our upset should be, because we have the ability to target that and to affect that with, you know, kicking people out of school boards, in this case, in places like San Francisco and elsewhere.

00:13:20.840 And it is a real.

00:13:22.340 Matt Welsh, if it is public schools you want, it is public schools you're going to get because James O'Keefe has been busy on behalf of private school students, though.

00:13:31.140 No, no, you're wrong. It's a problem in both places, because let's say you live in an area where the where the public schools are crappy.

00:13:38.300 And so you really feel like you got to put your kid in a public school or private school or Catholic school, what have you.

00:13:43.300 This problem is becoming universal.

00:13:45.700 So, you know, you flee and then the problem pops itself up again.

00:13:50.260 You flee and then here it is again.

00:13:52.320 Like I've experienced this myself right now.

00:13:54.800 Our schools are not indoctrinating quite as badly as New York, otherwise I wouldn't have gone here.

00:14:00.380 But, you know, the problem of left leaning administrators who want to force their political views on your children is pretty much universal.

00:14:07.280 So let's go public.

00:14:08.880 This is not my my school district I'm taking you to.

00:14:11.100 But James O'Keefe went to I believe it's the Cos Cobb Elementary School public in Greenwich, Connecticut, and gets this guy.

00:14:19.480 My oh, my speaking of honeypot, right, is a honeypot or honeytrap, Camille?

00:14:24.440 Honeytrap?

00:14:26.400 Honeytrap, you hope you get the honeypot as well, I suppose, but I don't know.

00:14:31.860 Well, that's definitely what happened to the assistant principal of Cos Cobb Elementary School, who's you can just tell he's got his margarita.

00:14:38.540 You can't see the woman he's talking to, but she looks kind of hot from what you can see. 1.00

00:14:42.240 She has a hot voice. 1.00

00:14:43.560 She has a good arm.

00:14:44.860 And he is clearly drunk on his own margarita.

00:14:48.400 Yeah, and talking about how, well, let's kick it off with the one that started to make all the news, which is he doesn't want to hire Catholics.

00:14:57.260 You got to screen out all the Catholics, which, by the way, sir, just FYI, is illegal. 0.99

00:15:02.640 OK, here it is.

00:15:03.280 Oh, so then what do you do with the Catholics? 0.97

00:15:18.780 If you find out someone is Catholic, then what?

00:15:20.320 You don't hire them, he says.

00:15:25.480 I agree, but why not?

00:15:29.920 OK, I left that playing because our YouTube audience will see it later and they can see it.

00:15:55.900 It's all transcribed.

00:15:56.740 But for the listening audience, here's what happened.

00:15:59.060 He said, I'm not a huge expert on religion.

00:16:00.760 Protestants in this area are probably the most liberal.

00:16:02.760 But if they're Catholic, conservative, the journalist says, what do you do with them?

00:16:06.420 He says, you don't hire them.

00:16:07.680 She says, would you ever hire a Catholic then?

00:16:09.480 No.

00:16:10.040 He says, no, I don't want to.

00:16:11.540 Because if someone's raised hardcore Catholic, it's like they're brainwashed.

00:16:14.580 You can never change their mindset.

00:16:15.900 So when you ask them to consider something new, like an opportunity, or you have to think

00:16:19.480 about this differently, they're stuck, just rigid.

00:16:23.880 That's, as I say, illegal, as is his on the record statement to her that he only hires

00:16:29.400 younger.

00:16:30.460 He'll only go younger because older might mean more conservative.

00:16:34.680 So he will never interview somebody who is older.

00:16:37.280 He likes them under 30.

00:16:38.720 I mean, I need that to be a two-camera shoot, by the way, because for me, it's six margaritas.

00:16:45.960 If she's hot enough, I'm joining ISIS. 0.99

00:16:47.680 I'm like, you know what?

00:16:49.060 They made some mistakes in Iraq, but let's move on. 0.97

00:16:55.260 No, this is amazing because this is always an experiment that I do.

00:16:59.480 Catholics, of course, you know, last name Moynihan.

00:17:01.400 Maybe I have some bias here.

00:17:02.980 Catholics are always getting it in this case. 1.00

00:17:05.480 But imagine if the news story, if this wasn't James O'Keefe, if this was anyone else, and

00:17:12.220 the administrator on a secret tape was saying, you know who I really won't hire?

00:17:16.220 Because they're very, very conservative Muslims. 1.00

00:17:18.920 Muslims are really, really bad on gay marriage, and Muslims are just bad in general. 1.00

00:17:23.440 This would be a cover story in every newspaper in America. 0.99

00:17:26.900 But you can have that sort of religious intolerance when it comes to Catholics, because, you know,

00:17:32.260 it reminds people of Amy Coney Barrett or something.

00:17:36.000 I don't understand where this is coming from.

00:17:38.900 But I do appreciate the fact that he doubles down and says, you know what?

00:17:44.000 The previous one was legitimately racist, saying we're talking about white students. 0.98

00:17:49.220 In the entire race of students, these whites are bad. 1.00

00:17:52.460 And then you move on to, you know, this religious discrimination. 0.98

00:17:56.040 Okay, let's throw another thing in there and say, we don't want the olds.

00:18:00.820 Why?

00:18:01.420 If this guy has a job as of tomorrow, and again, this is all presuming that these tapes are

00:18:06.380 not edited.

00:18:06.960 I don't know.

00:18:07.500 I haven't seen them.

00:18:08.580 But if this is as it is presented, one would presume that this person would be out of a

00:18:12.820 job.

00:18:13.060 But the lesson to everybody is, you know, don't discriminate religion, race, age, and don't

00:18:20.960 get drunk with strangers and talk about your job.

00:18:23.520 I mean, it reminds me of a couple of years ago, people kept getting caught, like, by

00:18:32.280 their accomplices.

00:18:33.420 They kept getting, you know, their accomplice to their crime would get them on tape and turn

00:18:37.900 them in.

00:18:38.260 There was like a rash of those, a wave of them.

00:18:41.120 And somebody on Twitter had such a great response to one of the cases where the accomplice had

00:18:45.760 gone back and gotten their co, you know, partner in crime to confess to it all.

00:18:50.440 Saying it is pro tip.

00:18:53.520 If your accomplice in a crime comes back to you and tries to get you to repeat everything

00:18:57.500 you did, remember when we robbed the bank?

00:19:00.400 Remember when you held the gun?

00:19:01.860 The only proper response is, no, that is not a thing.

00:19:08.040 It has a huge flower on their lapel.

00:19:10.580 The incredible thing about this is the questions are literally like, so what you were saying

00:19:15.220 is...

00:19:15.920 Yes.

00:19:16.840 This guy is too drunk to be like, wait a second, do you work for James O'Keefe?

00:19:20.920 No, no, no.

00:19:21.700 What he hears is, oh, she's really listening to me.

00:19:24.280 She's really into this.

00:19:25.180 This is actually something you have to wonder about.

00:19:27.840 I don't know how much of the things that they're saying are actually true or the things

00:19:30.860 they imagine this person wants to hear.

00:19:32.880 In either case, you're willing to say it and you're not revolted by it, which suggests

00:19:37.320 that there's something defective about the culture or the cultural milieu that these

00:19:41.600 people exist in, which it's worth underscoring here, that we've had extensive conversations

00:19:47.120 about bans and prohibitions on the kinds of things that can happen in classrooms.

00:19:52.000 But ultimately, what this boils down to is what is happening in the culture.

00:19:56.020 And if you are not actively having these arguments in the culture, shifting the needle with respect

00:20:02.020 to the kinds of ideas people are willing to entertain, you're ultimately not going to

00:20:08.020 be in a great place to make a huge dent in the kind of philosophy that is animating these

00:20:14.080 particular concerns and the fact that people want to exist in these monocultures, that teachers

00:20:19.100 are determined in many instances to circumvent prohibitions on discussing divisive concepts,

00:20:26.140 for example, and find ways to inculcate it into their classrooms, to talk about it with

00:20:32.520 students. Finding actually high-quality, serious academic institutions that are interested in

00:20:40.280 kind of complexity and nuance and genuine diversity, like that's a legitimate challenge

00:20:44.720 that we're all faced with and there is no shortcut to getting there.

00:20:49.060 And yet they're going to one day encounter a bunch of conservatives who have had to wrestle

00:20:53.440 with the other side for their entire existence because that's all they've been exposed to.

00:20:58.340 So their argument abilities get better, their intellectual, logical reasoning abilities get

00:21:04.640 better. Just to add on to this guy, the CosCobb, he's been placed on administrative leave while

00:21:09.320 they investigate. But I have to say, both of these schools sound more pissed off about the

00:21:13.060 James O'Keefe recording than they do about what their teachers said. I mean, I wouldn't be one bit

00:21:17.480 surprised if both schools reinstate these administrators and let their ongoing access to children continue.

00:21:24.140 So this guy, CosCobb, says, I'm not allowed to ask about the politics, but I've found a way around

00:21:31.780 it. He says, brags to the girl, I haven't hired a conservative yet. He said he complains he can't

00:21:38.180 get past the parents as much as he would like to because they're so nosy and try to intrude between his

00:21:44.580 direct conversations with the students. He talks about how it doesn't matter what anybody thinks

00:21:51.520 about it. He says it doesn't matter what the students think about. If they think about anything

00:21:57.260 in a progressive way, that becomes their habit. It's subtle, but they get the democratic messages

00:22:04.500 in there in that way. I mean, this is his game plan. Go ahead, Matt.

00:22:09.240 It's terrible. Yeah, no, it's terrible. And it does matter to these people ultimately because

00:22:14.200 they're going to find that the piece of cheese that they're sitting on is getting smaller by the day

00:22:20.780 because people like Megyn Kelly take their kids out of the public system, actually taking them out of 0.94

00:22:26.440 New York. I've taken one of my two kids out of the public system in New York. You're seeing across the

00:22:32.640 country, but especially in big cities, an unprecedented decline in enrollment. And funding for public schools

00:22:40.080 is tethered to enrollment. It didn't bounce back after the pandemic because precisely a bunch of

00:22:46.960 parents suddenly got sort of paying a lot more attention to what was being taught in schools.

00:22:52.360 And they couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe that in the teeth of like, you know,

00:22:56.960 unprecedented closures, the likes of which we did not see almost anywhere else in the Western world,

00:23:02.080 that the things that their schools wanted to communicate them was how to develop their kids as

00:23:07.460 anti-racists and just sort of buying into a bunch of Ibram X. Kendi ideology. Like, no, tell us about

00:23:13.720 the plan for opening the schools and counteracting what we've now seen from last week, an absolutely

00:23:19.500 historic decline in reading and math acquisition. Tell us about that a little bit before you do your

00:23:26.780 activist stuff. And people are voting with their feet and leaving. And it's going to be an absolute

00:23:30.900 wipeout for teachers' jobs. They're not going to have it. And you should all go to the fifth column

00:23:37.600 sub stack and subscribe so Matt can take his other kid out of the public school and into a private

00:23:42.720 school because Patrice Lumumba Academy that she goes to needs to be shut down. The interesting thing

00:23:49.620 that we're not even pointing out is that this is elementary school, correct? The Costco one is

00:23:54.500 elementary school. And that is the deeply offensive thing. At least kids who are 16, 17, 18 have a

00:24:02.000 fighting chance and can push back against this stuff. Elementary school kids don't, and they have

00:24:06.660 no concept of this stuff, is that this is the great thing. And I've seen this actually in New York

00:24:11.200 school. It's actually true, is that monocultures produce kids who want to subvert them because kids

00:24:17.460 don't just sit there and say, I love the teacher. I want to do exactly what the teacher says, is that this

00:24:22.440 is actually the backlash that's happening. And I've seen it amongst teachers. I mean, I've seen

00:24:26.280 it amongst students and I've seen it amongst, you know, friends, kids who are like, you know,

00:24:30.520 being red pilled at 16 years old. So guys, you know, when you are doing this in high school,

00:24:35.700 don't believe that everyone's going to be, have this Pavlovian response and just eat it up and become

00:24:40.940 one of you. They probably won't. We could totally draw an analogy to like the DARE program, which also

00:24:47.020 persisted in public education and did not succeed in wiping out drug addiction. It's, it's always

00:24:54.040 important to kind of, to, to take our concerns about this and, and peg them against what is

00:24:59.820 realistic. And as much as these teachers are determined to, in some instances, turn these

00:25:04.580 places into propaganda institutions, the, what they're likely to do is just hollow them out and

00:25:09.740 make them completely ineffective at their actual job. One of, one of my favorite pastimes and by

00:25:15.180 favorite, I mean, kind of morbid fascinations is finding these different controversies at these

00:25:21.140 schools. And oftentimes with the public schools in particular, the places that are having these

00:25:26.140 ridiculous race controversies where the teachers are doing the most egregious stuff also tend to be

00:25:31.180 the worst performing schools. Like the kids can't read, they cannot do math. It persists from elementary 0.98

00:25:38.040 through secondary, right through high school where the scores only seemingly get a little bit better

00:25:43.240 because I presume plenty of kids are dropping out. These schools just don't work in terms of doing

00:25:49.500 the job that we imagine that they ought to do in terms of educating kids, but they are also very

00:25:54.160 likely to fail with respect to their propaganda project. Remember that just two weeks ago, the story

00:25:59.180 in Minneapolis public schools where the union negotiated that they could, they had to fire the white 0.94

00:26:04.080 teachers first, irrespective of performance. So if the white teacher happened to be teacher of the year, 0.58

00:26:09.240 10 years in a row, she's got to go over somebody who is black or Hispanic or, you know, of some sort

00:26:16.700 of minority status. And that was one such school system, Camille, where the reading and the English

00:26:24.060 scores or the math scores were absolutely atrocious and the dropout rate was atrocious. And so they're so

00:26:29.460 obsessed with just keeping the teacher who has the right skin color in the position, irrespective of

00:26:35.720 merit, and not at all concerned about who can actually teach.

00:26:41.100 And there's also a flattening effect. The same institutions are the ones that are going to be

00:26:45.640 the quickest to get rid of gifted and talented programs. Any kind of specialized schools got to

00:26:50.480 get rid of that. I've seen this in New York very heavily. All of the energy is where is the perceived

00:26:55.360 place where privilege is being perpetuated? Let's knock that down. And that can happen all the way up 0.98

00:27:01.980 until it can't. And again, San Francisco, they did the same thing. It wasn't just they tried to rename

00:27:06.900 40 schools like the Thomas Jefferson School during the pandemic, although that didn't help. But they

00:27:13.200 also went after one of the two basic specialized schools where immigrant Chinese families sent their

00:27:20.400 kids. They did everything in the world to try to sacrifice so that their kid could go and finally

00:27:26.760 succeed. This is the way to do it in America. And these progressive activists, many of whom are pulling

00:27:31.100 down $200,000 salaries, are like, no, that's perpetuating privilege. We can't do it. And so

00:27:36.820 they knocked that down. That touched off a complete backlash that we're seeing in a lot of different

00:27:41.360 places. But it's widespread. These fads are all concentrated in the same place. It's wherever we

00:27:47.020 can institute plans like controlled choice, where the school basically controls the choice of where

00:27:53.400 they want to send your kids based on income level, because they can't do it on race anymore, 0.95

00:27:57.280 because of the Supreme Court decision. And this is just producing failure all over the place. It's

00:28:02.580 replicating failure.

00:28:04.000 Quickly just add, why does that happen? We hear the expression all the time in these universes,

00:28:09.280 do the work. One has to do the work. Well, it happens because they don't want to do the work.

00:28:14.000 And it's much, much easier to say that people are privileged, and that's why there's a disparity in

00:28:18.800 scores, than actually having to look at the pedagogy and kind of re-evaluate the system and rebuild the

00:28:24.880 system. You cannot do that if you're just saying, well, it's obviously privileged. Well, you look at

00:28:30.460 New York City, where gifted and talented programs have been cashiered, and you have something like

00:28:35.480 Stuyvesant High School, which is the most elite public high school, and it's merit only, test scores

00:28:40.820 only. And you see the number, there's like, by the way, there's like no white people in the school,

00:28:44.840 because it's very heavily Asian. And when you look at the Asian populations, a lot of them are

00:28:49.500 first-generation immigrants in Queens. These are not wealthy people, and they're doing exceptionally

00:28:54.880 well because they have, you know, kind of tiger mom visions, to borrow from Amy Chua, about how

00:29:00.840 their kids should perform. And that's a tough nut to crack for people who just say everything is

00:29:05.760 privilege and everything is race. Yeah. And now they can't get into Harvard, because Harvard is 0.61

00:29:09.820 secretly using race very much in a way it's not allowed to do. And that case is going to go up to

00:29:14.600 the Supreme Court in the fall, asking whether the Supreme Court used to say, the law is currently,

00:29:19.860 you may not use race as a quota, but it can be a factor among others that is considered.

00:29:25.780 But the Supreme Court said there will be an end to this. This is not a forever ruling. And the

00:29:30.760 Supreme Court will decide in the fall whether we are now at the end of allowing that. I mean,

00:29:34.780 again, I've pointed out before, they changed the law in California to say you can't consider race,

00:29:38.720 and they did it anyway. They were like, oh, okay, we got it. We'll comply. And they did it anyway.

00:29:43.560 And it was only with a lot of time that they sort of had to start not relying on race as one of the

00:29:50.260 main factors. And what they found was that black students did much better. They did much better.

00:29:54.240 They aligned with the universities in a much more true and productive way. So you wound up with black 1.00

00:30:02.020 scientists who might otherwise have gone to an elite university out there like Berkeley or Stanford or

00:30:08.020 whatever the public system offers and majored in African-American studies or same thing with women 0.98

00:30:13.740 who might have gone and become like a gender studies major at Berkeley, whereas they could have 0.99

00:30:18.000 become a doctor if they'd gone to maybe on paper, lesser UCL, whatever. And so anyway, the experiment

00:30:25.320 has proven that the people who are just totally focused on race aligning with or gender aligning with

00:30:30.280 the most elite institution have engaged in a failed experiment. All right, stand by because

00:30:36.900 there's much, much more to discuss. And I have to tell you, listening to these two people talk about

00:30:40.700 our kids and Republicans and conservatives and Catholics reminded me very much of Dark Brandon, 1.00

00:30:47.660 which I haven't had the chance to talk about yet because I was off the day after his speech.

00:30:51.560 But we'll talk about Dark Brandon and the president's, you know, president unity,

00:30:55.340 his latest message with the guys from the fifth column in just one minute. Stay tuned.

00:31:05.260 Okay, guys, so before we get on to Dark Brandon, which apparently they're embracing now,

00:31:09.440 the White House likes it. Let's talk about because we're coming off of the schools discussion,

00:31:16.560 the new White House claim like they did with the defund the police where they were like,

00:31:20.820 we've always been for funding the police. It's the Republicans who don't want to

00:31:24.120 who've been pushing for defunding. I mean, it's a true gaslighting. Just that's just not true. And

00:31:30.340 we all lived it for a year plus. And we know you're lying. But they they're really good at

00:31:35.720 looking right in the camera and lying. And here's the latest version of that, where

00:31:40.260 Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House press secretary, actually tried to argue that it is the Democrats

00:31:48.160 who wanted schools open and who we have to thank for the schools being open now. And it was the

00:31:54.380 Republicans who wanted them to remain closed. Here it is. In less than six months, our schools

00:32:01.040 went from 40, 46 percent to to open to nearly all of them being open to full time. That was the work

00:32:07.800 of this president. And that was the work of Democrats in spite of Republicans not voting for the American

00:32:14.020 Rescue Plan, which 130 billion dollars went to school to have the ventilation, to be able to

00:32:19.840 have the tutoring and and the teachers and being able to hire more teachers. It shows you how mismanaged

00:32:26.580 the pandemic was and how the impact of that mismanagement had on the on kids progress and

00:32:33.960 academic well-being. And, you know, every Republican Congress voted against that money. That is the

00:32:39.640 reality. We had to do this on our own. Just again, for the listening audience, she read that entire

00:32:44.440 thing. She cannot speak extemporaneously. She cannot make a point without reading from her notes. She 0.99

00:32:50.660 doesn't know the facts. That's very clear. It's it's infuriating to me. I just as a woman, you know,

00:32:57.520 you see a woman in a post like this, like get on your two feet and make the argument. That's literally 1.00

00:33:03.220 your job. They could send anybody up there to just read. Oh, I got a question about schools reopening.

00:33:09.880 There's paragraph eight. Read that. She can't do it. It upsets me as a human and a woman. But OK,

00:33:17.800 moving on to the substance of the argument, Camille, I saw you shaking your head. I mean,

00:33:23.480 it really is up is down and down is up. But, you know, what do you make of it?

00:33:28.460 Well, first, I want to second your perspective. I think she's uniquely bad at this job. We see a lot

00:33:33.580 of people go into to being like the White House press secretary and having to spin for on behalf

00:33:39.660 of their bosses telling half truths. She's just terrible at this. I think there have been dueling

00:33:46.020 editorials in recent days in the New York Times, well, the Washington Post and the Wall Street

00:33:50.460 Journal, both about covid and educational policy. And the Wall Street Journal was blasting the teachers

00:33:55.880 unions for keeping the schools closed as long as they did. And the Washington Post editorial,

00:34:00.760 and this is the entire editorial board, did not say in response, this is unfair because

00:34:05.380 Republicans are responsible for this. What they said was specifically, this is unfair because it

00:34:12.080 doesn't take into account that there was a lot of fear and trepidation at the time.

00:34:15.680 We know who was responsible for keeping the schools closed. This isn't debatable. There's some

00:34:23.280 question about whether or not it was justified, whether or not it's understandable. But the fact

00:34:27.660 that it's been consequential, that it's hurt students in general, and that it was almost certainly

00:34:32.400 unnecessary, that is what we should be focusing on. This wasn't a function of money. One line that I do

00:34:39.000 want to slag the Washington Post editorial writers for is suggesting at some point that it's not worth

00:34:45.640 talking about whether or not teachers unions are responsible, that we shouldn't be looking

00:34:50.640 backwards, we should be looking forward because we need to help students catch up. One, I would love

00:34:57.000 to see them apply the same exact philosophy to kind of their conversations about systemic racism. They seem

00:35:01.900 to be particularly obsessed with talking about what happened in the past and not what actually matters

00:35:07.560 is likely to improve people's lives in that context. But two, I think it's vitally important

00:35:12.380 that we have conversations about what went wrong and what went right with respect to public health

00:35:16.660 and pandemic policy. I think a lot of that is going to inform how we respond to other problems in the

00:35:22.540 future, but may also have some sort of informative value with respect to the policy solutions that we

00:35:27.780 select when we're trying to help kids get out of the rut and the hole that we've dug for them

00:35:34.000 as a result of really disadvantageous policies that were adopted during the pandemic.

00:35:39.220 It's amazing how she's, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Matt, because I was just going to say the,

00:35:43.100 the, um, she's mad that the Republicans didn't support the American rescue plan. Meanwhile,

00:35:46.980 all these schools still have so much money sitting in the coffers that they didn't spend.

00:35:50.820 Right? Yeah. So now she's trying to say, this is how they got, they got the schools reopened. You

00:35:55.700 know, it was Joe Biden. Meanwhile, he took office and he took possession of a vaccine. You know,

00:36:01.740 Trump did not have the vaccine though. He developed the vaccine. So to compare,

00:36:05.960 you know, just, just, this is the percentage of schools that were open when we took office

00:36:11.340 to, um, you know, the, where we are today is so misleading. It doesn't add any context.

00:36:18.020 If you go back and look at Trump spring of 2020, he was saying we should open the schools and,

00:36:22.900 and the, he was getting attacked uniformly by Democrats for being absolutely irresponsible.

00:36:27.940 Go ahead, Matt. So Ron DeSantis was called, uh, widely in the press, Ron death Santis because he

00:36:36.400 insisted that Florida public schools be fully open in the fall of 2020, just like basically almost

00:36:43.280 every single school district in the entire continent of Europe. By the way, I guess we only

00:36:47.760 pay attention to Europe when it's advantageous for ourselves, but he was called Ron death Santis.

00:36:52.120 If you look and you can find this very easily online, there are color coded state by state rankings

00:36:57.020 on which States had the most, uh, open school days from beginning in 2020 in the fall onward.

00:37:04.060 And which ones had the most closed, the most open, all of them are Republican. They voted

00:37:08.660 Republican in the 2020 election. They have a governor who's Republican, their state house is

00:37:13.340 Republican, all the ones that were the most closed, all Democrats, the, the, the correlation

00:37:18.480 between whether your, your school systems were open or closed was entirely about partisan politics

00:37:25.020 entirely. And what do we know about partisan politics on the democratic side? 94% of teachers

00:37:31.360 union giving goes to democratic party, political giving goes to democratic parties. So it's exactly

00:37:36.800 in those places where they have the most power that they closed the most schools. And we have just

00:37:40.900 seen as mentioned of last week, what these big report about, uh, what happened to learning loss

00:37:46.660 over the last couple of years, it is those places. And if we're going to use an equity as a focus in

00:37:52.740 all other circumstances, let's look at equity in this circumstances. The, the populations that got

00:38:00.280 hit hardest were poor and minority period. When it comes to this, I know Camille doesn't like that

00:38:05.240 because he doesn't believe in the word minority, but, uh, it's certainly among my perspective.

00:38:11.180 I'm just kidding. Uh, traditionally disadvantaged, uh, communities suffer by far the most. And there's

00:38:17.120 those places that run by Democrats. Uh, and, and so it's, it's worse than gaslighting a term that I

00:38:23.280 normally hate, but it is actually, uh, absolutely on point in this case. Can I just say, can I just

00:38:29.340 say the, I started it by saying it's gaslighting along the lines of what they did with defund the

00:38:34.200 police and that policy pushed by Democrats had exactly the same effect. It, it endangered many

00:38:40.720 communities and, and people lost their lives as a result of this, but in particular black and

00:38:45.360 brown communities. So both of these policies, which were 100% pushed by Democrats resulted in real

00:38:51.320 losses to black and brown communities across America. Hence the one 80 in positions being taken right 1.00

00:38:59.640 now by the Democrats and the lie that they were always on the right side. Go ahead.

00:39:05.620 I, first of all, I object to wrong death Santus because it just doesn't really work. It's just a

00:39:10.580 D E like, but you remember those times, by the way, in which anybody that had the kind of slightly

00:39:16.180 heterodox view on COVID, many of which turned out to be right, by the way. So heterodox at the time,

00:39:21.960 uh, were accused of, uh, confining grandma to the, uh, the gas chamber, basically like the people,

00:39:29.580 everything that you're doing is going to make people die. So Matt brings up the politics. Well,

00:39:33.500 let's look at the politics of this. Of course, we were told we should not politicize science.

00:39:37.160 You know, this is a smart thing to say, but it never actually happens. Well, if we look at the

00:39:43.240 politicization of science and you know, how it relates to schools, Matt is also correct that

00:39:48.120 most all of Europe didn't close schools. Sweden, where I used to live, I don't think closed schools

00:39:52.580 for a single day, right? They didn't even have lockdowns. So now is the time after a couple of

00:39:58.420 years of this, you know, two and a half years to actually look at the evidence. If not, you're

00:40:04.100 engaged in a political campaign. If you're up there as the president, the white house practice

00:40:09.200 secretary talking about this stuff in these ways, why are you not, if you don't care about the

00:40:14.600 politicization of science, you don't want it to happen. Why are you not addressing the American

00:40:17.800 people and saying, okay, so here's actually what we know about COVID in schools. What happened with

00:40:23.600 kids? How many kids died? How many teachers were, you know, confined to their deathbeds because

00:40:29.520 of a transmission from a child, because we have a lot of evidence about this now, but instead it's

00:40:35.620 a political blame game and a political blame game only. I'm fine with that because there were some

00:40:40.260 really bad and shitty politics that we all saw during this time. But I also want that adjunct point

00:40:46.400 to say, by the way, you were all wrong about this. And, you know, whether or not you like Ron DeSantis,

00:40:52.080 want him to be president or, you know, hell, want him to even be in elected office in Florida.

00:40:56.540 He was right. And Sweden was right. And Europe was right about this. And this idea that kids were 0.80

00:41:03.140 going to be dropping like flies and their teachers, of course, too, because they were vectors of 0.98

00:41:07.860 disease. These kids turned out what? Not to be true. And you can look at the evidence. I'm not

00:41:13.120 just making this up, but the problem is no one wants to talk about the evidence. And no one at this

00:41:17.100 point is going back and saying, what do we know about COVID? What do we know about who is dying from

00:41:21.540 it? What do we know about transmission rates? Why are we still asking professional tennis

00:41:25.380 players to come to America when the vaccine doesn't prevent the damn thing from transmitting? 0.93

00:41:30.640 That's why we did it before. And this is still affecting policy. This is still affecting policy. 0.97

00:41:35.240 We saw it in D.C. where the mayor suggested that she was going to hold students out of school,

00:41:40.480 not give them any options to attend unless they were fully vaccinated. When we know all of the

00:41:45.560 things that you just underscored, Moina, it's the this is the reason we have to talk about the

00:41:50.020 profound failures that happened during the pandemic and our unseriousness about trusting

00:41:55.960 the science. But the thing is, Camille, I can I can I am OK with the failures in some senses

00:42:01.840 because there was a lot of stuff we didn't know when we were feeling this through as a

00:42:05.300 nation. You know, scientists are trying to figure it out. There's debate amongst scientists.

00:42:09.340 There's no settled science. That's that's ridiculous. But, you know, when we're not actually 0.96

00:42:13.720 correcting the record about this stuff and actually telling people, like, why on earth would we have

00:42:19.900 a mandate for a vaccine of, you know, playing in a tennis tournament? You can't do this. Well, why?

00:42:27.960 I mean, that's his problem, isn't it? It's not mine, because he can transmit it and he can acquire

00:42:33.060 that whether or not he's been vaccinated. He's just going to have a much better time if he is.

00:42:36.740 That's that's the position all of our children are in, all of our children in that. My kids are facing

00:42:40.720 vaccine mandates at both of their schools. And for what? For what? If God forbid they got some

00:42:46.500 terribly severe case of covid and had a very negative health outcome, that would be between

00:42:51.680 me, my child, my husband and our doctor, our pediatrician. That is not for the school to weigh

00:42:56.940 in on. The school doesn't pay our hospital bills. The school really just needs to worry about

00:43:01.320 transmission. And the vaccine doesn't affect that at all. And yet still, they're going to expel my

00:43:05.760 children at age 16 unless they get the vaccine. That policy is still in place. And it's absolute

00:43:12.800 madness. But to your point, they've been dishonest all along. The reason they won't do, you know,

00:43:17.140 a full, open, honest retrospective look is because they've been dishonest all along. As we saw, the

00:43:25.020 masking was driving me nuts, as you guys know. As we saw the CDC do studies like the 90,000 kids in

00:43:31.460 Atlanta that showed the masks did nothing, they ignored it. Then they would do another study.

00:43:37.720 And then we'd have honest journalists come out and say, no, that one's flawed, too. Here's the

00:43:41.420 and they would continue touting the study despite serious methodological issues. And then a study

00:43:47.560 would come out of Europe proving, no, the masks don't work in reducing transmission. And they would

00:43:52.100 ignore it or try to discredit it. It was all agenda driven. So, of course, now the one retrospective

00:43:57.660 moment we're having at the CDC, oh, Rochelle Walensky is going to take a look at what went

00:44:01.540 wrong, is focusing on how we are too academic. We're just too smart. Well, we had too many

00:44:07.620 academic papers. Shut up, Rochelle. That's not it. Not it. You need to go the way of that Connecticut 0.99

00:44:13.620 Cosco Elementary School teacher, vice principal, whatever he is. You need to go the way of all

00:44:18.600 these lunatics who won't accept reality. Never forget that that in February 2021, the CDC came 0.91

00:44:27.240 out with new revised science based guidelines for schools and who sat at those meetings and helped

00:44:33.840 shape those guidelines. Yes. Randy Wingard. Randy Wingard. Who does not have an MD. Not last time I

00:44:40.440 looked. No, that's not really her area of expertise. And those guidelines, if interpreted strictly by school

00:44:47.380 districts, would have had 90 percent of schools closed continuing from that point on. And some of

00:44:52.400 those guidelines, they've reversed most of them by now, but some of them are still in service. And so

00:44:58.220 in the deepest, bluest places like Washington, D.C., you have this kind of insane interpretation of

00:45:05.440 them. New York City right now, public schools, you can't engage in extracurricular activities. You can't

00:45:10.000 play in the football team if you're not vaccinated. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly right. We're already

00:45:14.560 facing restrictions on field trips and so on. And ours is not the only school unless your kid is 0.85

00:45:18.860 vaccinated. And it truly is like, what business is that of yours? There was one school, they did hit

00:45:25.200 the news this weekend that now they're implementing a mask mandate for if you haven't gotten the flu

00:45:29.140 vaccine. These people are drunk on their own power. They love it. They'd like to see us masked all

00:45:35.080 day, every day for everything. Right. I mean, monkeypox now it's like kids are looking at mask mandates

00:45:41.340 potentially on that. It's like, unless they're having gay sex in like the second grade, I think 0.99

00:45:46.100 they're fine. What? Is that happening? Can you reveal that in his latest video? 1.00

00:45:53.400 I think someone may go to prison over that.

00:45:56.640 Jesus.

00:45:58.080 Well, I mean, we'll get to that story later about this lunatic who wrote a book who's like

00:46:02.640 celebrating exactly that at the very young, at the 12 year old and up and schools are allowing her

00:46:08.320 book to be everywhere. But all right, this is a good place to pause it because I do want to do

00:46:11.300 dark Brandon. We've come up with a just short, brief montage of Joe Biden's dark Brandon moment.

00:46:16.000 And now he's trying to walk it back as if we didn't hear everything he said last week. And

00:46:21.480 then he goes out on the campaign trail and he goes back to dark Brandon again. So it's really it is

00:46:25.060 more like a Superman figure or like, I guess, like a Batman. Wait, who? No, Superman. Who's got

00:46:29.460 Clark Kent. He's got the one character and he's got the other character and really kind of depends

00:46:33.300 in the setting. What what message you're going to be hearing? It's like a new superhero character

00:46:38.680 who's got that same thing in common. Dark Brandon, as the fifth column host, come back with us right

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00:47:30.580 well. All right, so Dark Brandon came and went and then came back again. And I can't quite keep track

00:47:41.240 of whether he's Dark Brandon or is it Light Brandon? I'm not sure what the opposite of just Brandon,

00:47:46.800 just Brandon. It's like when I had my first date with Doug, it went great. And I was calling him

00:47:52.540 Dream Date Doug, you know, shortly after they're there after. And then like he kind of like blew me off or

00:47:59.980 didn't call when he said he was going to and he just got downgraded to just Doug.

00:48:04.960 It was Dream Date Doug.

00:48:07.780 Just Doug. And that's kind of what's happening with Dark Brandon and just Brandon. For those who missed it

00:48:16.980 last Thursday night, Dark Brandon appeared before the red, the black columns and the red lighting and

00:48:24.000 the I'm not a big Star Wars person, but it's the Star Wars thing, I guess. This is what a lot of people

00:48:29.560 saw and said in part the following.

00:48:33.020 My Republicans represented extremism. My Republicans do not respect the Constitution.

00:48:39.300 MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards. MAGA Republicans have made their

00:48:46.740 choice. They embrace anger and MAGA Republicans are to destroy an American democracy. MAGA Republicans

00:48:54.940 look at America and see carnage and darkness and despair. The MAGA Republicans believe that for them

00:49:01.660 to succeed, everyone else has to fail.

00:49:05.340 Hmm. He added wasn't in that montage.

00:49:08.880 They don't believe in the rule of law.

00:49:11.880 They don't respect the Constitution we had in there. But he also added they don't believe in the rule

00:49:15.740 of law. They he'd spent a lot of time and they refused to accept the results

00:49:19.740 of a free election. I mean, this is like one of those therapy sessions where, you know,

00:49:23.840 you go in, you say all these things that are actually true about you and your therapist is

00:49:27.760 like the person starring in this story is not your, quote, friend, sister. It is you heal thyself.

00:49:35.760 I mean, just to go down, like, first of all, respect the Constitution. It's like what he just

00:49:40.180 did with student debt, which he clearly doesn't have the authority to do, and it's going to be

00:49:43.040 struck down. OK, so we that we remember that one because it was recent. The eviction moratorium,

00:49:48.400 which even he said he did not have the power to do. The Supreme Court had already said

00:49:51.740 this is unconstitutional and he knew is unconstitutional, but he thought he could get

00:49:55.480 us through the summer by doing it. He didn't care that it was unconstitutional. He doesn't

00:49:59.060 have respect for the Constitution. It's his party that's talking about packing the Supreme

00:50:02.140 Court so they can get better rulings, rule of respect, the rule of law. They're the people

00:50:07.060 who will they want to protest outside the Supreme Court justice's households, despite the law

00:50:11.720 on the books. He can't do that. And they knew nothing when one of them almost gets assassinated.

00:50:16.000 It's just a shoulder shrug. They still want to circulate the guy's addresses online. No problem.

00:50:20.340 Not to mention his vaccine mandate, which was struck down in part by the U.S. Supreme

00:50:23.500 Court. So don't lecture me about this Constitution, Dark Brandon, because just Brandon is violating

00:50:29.260 it every other day. Right. The rule of law, of course, it's like, don't get us started.

00:50:34.940 And he's upset about the January 6th protests, but we've got the Black Lives Matter two year

00:50:38.540 event to look at and the riots, which he didn't care about. His party didn't care about. So it's

00:50:42.880 like he's in no position to cast these stones. But the one I want to start with is that how

00:50:47.800 MAGA Republicans look at America and see carnage and darkness and despair. I mean, truly, it's his

00:50:54.880 party that's been trying to inject messages like that into every textbook, every speech about how

00:51:01.980 bad we are and how awful and what sinners and how we can never atone. That's his party. Who would

00:51:08.940 like to take it? We've had a problem with apocalypticism in American politics for a while

00:51:15.100 now. It predates Trump. Trump supercharged it in many ways. But Bernie Sanders is part of that.

00:51:20.300 Hillary Clinton is part of that. Joe Biden is part of that. Democrats. Populism loves, loves,

00:51:25.660 loves to say at every given moment that this is the inflection point. He said that in the speech.

00:51:32.640 Right now is the inflection point. Our future of our country depends on what we do right now

00:51:37.740 about this speech that just for some reason had to happen in September of 2022. I'm not really sure

00:51:44.060 what the timing of that was all about. So we've been living through this for a while. And you're

00:51:50.640 right that he's talking about his own party. He's also talking about Republicans, not all of them.

00:51:55.900 The problem is that the tone of the speech and the language of the speech was this constant

00:52:01.300 conflation. And so then he's like, well, no, I'm not talking about all Republicans.

00:52:04.780 You faded out the constant. What you constant? What conflation of MAGA Republicans with every

00:52:11.420 everybody who doesn't believe in gay marriage or has a different idea about abortion? Are those

00:52:17.080 maybe he kept he was talking about MAGA ideology, but he never really flushed it out beyond talking

00:52:22.000 about contraception for some reason and and gay marriage and abortion rights. That's not really

00:52:28.800 MAGA ideology. You should know who you're talking to. I'm not sure there's a big, strong MAGA ideology,

00:52:34.340 but I can tell you that one part of it, a fundamental part of it, that through line in

00:52:37.720 Donald Trump's ideological career. And it's held by a lot of the people who support him the most

00:52:42.660 is against trade agreements. And Biden like extended that in the piece. He's like, we're going to make

00:52:49.560 stuff in America again. OK, so you are actually extending part of the MAGA ideology that you're

00:52:55.120 talking about as such a threat to democracy. That's a great point. Including, you know, the Labor Day

00:53:01.360 speech, which was in Wisconsin, which was the site I think everyone forgets. And I covered at the time

00:53:07.380 one of the great Trump administration boondoggles of getting Foxconn to come and make screens.

00:53:13.640 Initially, they're going to come make iPhones and they're going to make screens. And then that's been

00:53:17.460 downgraded. And they've backed out of this thing from, you know, thousand jobs to 100 jobs, that sort

00:53:22.440 of thing. But so, yeah, no, it's very similar. And that's economically, you know, one of the things that I

00:53:27.440 think all three of us disagree with Trump on most vociferously is the economic policy, which I think

00:53:33.100 has been uniquely bad. But it's really interesting. Megan, you said at the beginning that people are

00:53:37.960 saying this is a Star Wars kind of imagery. You know, Star Wars is pretty straightforward and George

00:53:43.040 Lucas is pretty straightforward, but this was borrowed from the Nazis, from Lenny Riefenstahl's

00:53:48.120 film, Triumph of the Will, you know, all the red and all the columns and the rest of it.

00:53:51.960 So it seems to me that it was, dare I say, semi-fascist, because it wasn't fully fascist.

00:53:59.520 It was like the minor leagues of fascism. So it was a semi-fascist.

00:54:04.040 But, you know, it is so crazy to suggest that, and you were right when you said, you know,

00:54:11.400 the riots two years ago, and Camille has talked about this, you know, ad infinitum on the fifth

00:54:15.860 column. And we liked to bang on about it. But I was in Kenosha the day after the shooting,

00:54:23.520 the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting, all this stuff being burned to the ground. And Trump was there,

00:54:28.940 and he met with the person whose lot was burned down, or whose furniture store was burned down.

00:54:34.040 And then later in the day, Joe Biden showed up. And he went and visited Jacob Blake. And he said

00:54:40.840 that Jacob Blake, the officers involved in that shooting should be arrested. Now, the stories we

00:54:46.860 found out about Jacob Blake were the opposite of what we initially were told, was that he was

00:54:50.680 unarmed and he was there to help. He was violating a restraining order, and he had a knife in his hand.

00:54:55.240 So it's like, you know, these are two parties. And then, you know, look, yesterday, I turned this on,

00:55:00.020 I was thinking about this, and I turn on TV, or it was on the internet or something, 0.87

00:55:03.540 and I see Roland Martin in one of his ridiculous outfits. And he said, the Trump voters, like, 0.68

00:55:13.460 we're at war with these people. We're at war with them. And he said, then, you know, the next line

00:55:18.800 was, these folks are evil. I mean, don't tell me that there is one dark force in America.

00:55:25.940 I didn't vote for Donald Trump twice. I didn't vote for Donald Trump, and I wouldn't vote for him

00:55:29.560 again. And, you know, I would never, I'm not a fan of the guy. Our podcast has been very critical of

00:55:34.960 him. But at the same time, let's keep in perspective here, that this thing, and he said,

00:55:40.540 you know, in the speech the other day, in Wisconsin, that we used to be a nation of unity and hope and

00:55:46.940 optimism. Bullshit. I mean, does anyone remember the Clinton years, the Obama years, the Bush years? I 1.00

00:55:54.800 mean, everyone's been called a Nazi, everyone's been called a fascist. This is the same as American

00:56:00.860 politics has ever been, but with a different way of transmitting information, which is Twitter and

00:56:06.140 getting it real time and getting a warped perception of what the world is about. And this warped perception

00:56:11.000 is being fed by Joe Biden, who's pretending that he's not conflating the 70, 60 odd million people

00:56:17.940 that voted for Donald Trump with these dark MAGA Republicans. He is doing just that. So they must have

00:56:23.400 some sort of internal polling that suggests that banging on about this stuff is going to help them,

00:56:28.860 you know, repeal or push back this red wave, because it is just endless at this point. I mean,

00:56:34.940 this, this idea that there are fascists at the door, which is obviously ridiculous.

00:56:40.900 Well, can I tell you, I had Chris Dierwald on the program last week, you know, very smart political 0.79

00:56:45.960 prognosticator. And he was saying the smartest thing for Joe Biden to do right now is to SDFU.

00:56:51.940 He said maybe he could borrow Joe Biden's basement, you know, like, or wait, yeah,

00:56:57.720 yeah. He was saying, be quiet. He was like, go back to your basement because he was saying

00:57:01.140 he, the Democrats numbers are getting a little bit better and he doesn't need to be out there

00:57:06.400 making speeches like this because things are going a little bit more his way. So this is not a good

00:57:10.720 time to be out there giving what, this is my take on it, his deplorable speech, right? Like it didn't

00:57:17.320 help Barack Obama to call Republicans bitter clingers. It certainly didn't help Hillary Clinton

00:57:21.500 to call Republicans deplorables. And dark Brandon is not going to help his own chances or those of

00:57:27.120 his party. But with his deplorable speech, which is why I think he's decided to try to dial it back

00:57:35.060 a little, either that or he just got off prompter and he says different things when he's off prompter.

00:57:38.660 You know what I mean? He denounced the American carnage speech in his own American carnage

00:57:43.220 speech, by the way. Very bizarre. So he gets caught. But Peter Doocy was like,

00:57:47.360 do you really think this about all Trump supporters? And he was like, how dare you? Here it is. Watch.

00:57:51.760 Mr. President, do you consider Mr. President, do you consider all Trump supporters to be a threat

00:57:59.600 to the country? No, everyone. Come on. I don't consider any Trump supporters to be a threat to

00:58:11.040 the country. Do you hear it? I don't consider any Republican a threat to the country. Well,

00:58:18.880 you just said MAGA force is determined to take the country back or back or to an America where

00:58:23.160 there's no right to choose, no right to privacy. MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution.

00:58:26.700 They don't believe in the rule of law. MAGA Republicans embrace anger. They thrive amongst

00:58:31.140 chaos. MAGA Republicans look at America and see carnage and darkness and despair. Like,

00:58:36.240 it certainly sounds like you're not like a big fan of Trump Republicans. I don't like,

00:58:40.960 you might have to explain. I mean, MAGA Republican is a self-servingly vague

00:58:48.020 slur that is being directed at his enemies. It does not mean anything in particular. And precisely

00:58:53.680 the same way that semi-fascist doesn't mean anything in particular. It means we generally

00:58:57.960 don't like you and think that you're bad. And I think Moynihan's point is very vital for us to

00:59:03.260 focus on. The notion that we've always had substantial division in our politics. There's

00:59:08.360 always been disagreement. And in many respects, it's probably always been cheap demagoguery deployed

00:59:16.480 against your political opponents. But there was a time when it was punctuated by kind of civility

00:59:21.740 and respectability. And at a moment when there are criminal prosecutions of members of the January

00:59:28.820 6th riots that took place at the Capitol, someone may want to call it a fracas. I would accept either

00:59:35.620 one of those answers. And people are getting long jail sentences at a time when the President of the

00:59:40.520 United States is being investigated by the intelligence agencies for potential crimes that

00:59:45.780 land him in a courtroom, if not in a prison. The former President, Camille, I know he's still your

00:59:51.920 president. The former President. I'm just... Well, they're always... Okay, Dinesh.

00:59:56.600 They were always the President at some point. So I can say the President of the United States.

00:59:59.800 I think it takes on a very different tone. And Joe Biden knows this. Joe Biden talked incessantly

01:00:07.680 about the fact that he was going to bring us together. And we have, in the same week that this

01:00:13.380 speech was given, the President's now press secretary suggesting that if you disagree with

01:00:20.120 the majority, then you're an extremist. This is absurd, hysterical hyperbole. And I would say that

01:00:27.580 when it comes from the President, as opposed to Roland Martin wearing a Dragon Ball Z-themed

01:00:32.600 dashiki, this is bad. It's unacceptable. And it's something that we should all be genuinely 1.00

01:00:38.980 concerned about. And I will say that I was heartened to see plenty of people in the media,

01:00:44.540 plenty of people on the left side of the political spectrum expressing concern about this,

01:00:49.180 because it was a bad speech, for one, but it was also just decidedly in very poor taste for this

01:00:55.340 administration. It was in poor taste. Exactly right. And it ran a real risk at a time when

01:01:00.160 his poll numbers are getting a little better. They're at 42% approval rating, according to the

01:01:04.800 latest poll. They were at 36 not so long ago, because his base is getting a little riled up.

01:01:09.540 He's gotten a couple of legislative agenda items through. They're feeling like, OK, maybe he's going

01:01:13.780 to fight for us. Maybe he's thinking, this is me fighting for you even more. I'm going to say all the

01:01:18.900 things that make Mary Trump get chills, which is what she said. Why is Mary Trump a commentator again?

01:01:24.460 Anywho. So he maybe he's trying to get that up to 43, 44 to drive midterm results. But you got to

01:01:33.120 factor in what it's going to do to the other side. Right. Like deplorables hurt her way more than it

01:01:39.800 helped her. And I got to feel like it's way better for him to have Roland Martin say the crazy things

01:01:45.900 than for him to say them. I mean, luckily for him, I suppose Donald Trump is giving no shortage of

01:01:53.860 crazy himself over the last couple of days. Oh, my God. Just like matching the retweet button on 0.85

01:01:58.860 QAnon. It's just so weird.

01:02:04.620 Arrestees. And then also just like randomly spitting out like redo the election.

01:02:10.340 That was a good reason.

01:02:14.220 It's almost like he thinks you can you can take the little void stamp and like put it on the,

01:02:18.320 you know, the ink pad and then just stamp it on Joe Biden's head. It's not the way it works.

01:02:22.540 I think that that points to an interesting little thing, which is, I believe at this point,

01:02:29.160 cynically, it's cynical. I don't want to be that because I want to be idealistic ish. But that

01:02:34.940 it serves Joe Biden's interest to make the midterm elections about Trump, because that's going to

01:02:40.860 rile up his base. And also because Trump, even though he's really popular among Republicans,

01:02:45.040 is not popular among Americans. Right. Or independence in particular.

01:02:50.320 Independence in particular, two thirds of which don't whom don't want him to run for president

01:02:54.420 again. Right. So if we make this about democracy and this is the inflection point and because of

01:02:59.620 Trump, even though he's not running in this election, then you can nationalize it and give

01:03:04.840 people this sense of of glorious purpose. I think that's cynical. It's the same way that the

01:03:10.500 Democrats poured forty four million dollars into five races, close races of GOP primaries

01:03:17.460 in order to try to influence it so that the MAGA Republican won, as opposed to the more

01:03:24.280 competitive, saner people like Peter Meyer, a subscriber to our podcast.

01:03:30.200 But like if you really really believed in what you say about democracy, that's not the behavior

01:03:39.040 that what you would do. You just think back of or, you know, work yourself backwards with

01:03:43.400 what would you do if you were actually trying to create unity behind shared principles of

01:03:48.960 Americans of all stripes to say that, you know, this political violence is bad, not respecting

01:03:55.680 elections is bad, not respecting court decisions or whatever is bad. You wouldn't do it like

01:04:00.300 this. You wouldn't suddenly start talking about the infrastructure bill. That has nothing to

01:04:03.880 do with it. Why are you bringing it up? You'd be bringing up specific things like, oh, we

01:04:08.180 should back the Electoral College Reform Act or, you know, this this vision of how to fix

01:04:13.900 the system next time. But that's not what he was doing. He was trying to nationalize an election,

01:04:18.260 even create, you know, a MAGA force. That sounds cool. I want to join the MAGA force.

01:04:24.780 Oh, wow. He just admitted it.

01:04:26.780 MAGA forces.

01:04:27.940 Holy cow, Matt. The colonel in the MAGA force. Oh, Lord.

01:04:32.880 He wants to run against Trump because he thinks he can win. And that's you're flirting.

01:04:37.080 And how do you do? I mean, look, they're doing a very good job at one thing. What are we talking

01:04:42.080 about? We're talking about this absurd idea that, you know, American democracy is heaving and dying

01:04:47.920 and, you know, taking its last breath and talking about fascism and all this stuff rather than

01:04:53.140 talking about, you know, pocketbook, kitchen table issues that are affecting everyday Americans

01:04:58.380 that they have no answer for. Right. I mean, you know, gas prices are down a little bit

01:05:03.580 and there's some suggestion they might go back up again. But, you know, to say that they've gone down

01:05:09.500 to, you know, like three dollars and seventy five cents a gallon. I mean, that's still a lot more

01:05:14.300 than it was a year ago. Right. Or a year and a half. Not to mention our electric bills.

01:05:17.920 Electric bills. I mean, you know, food bills, everything. I mean, these are, of course,

01:05:21.720 people that are having these conversations that don't give two shits about this, that 0.83

01:05:25.180 don't actually comparison shop, don't actually know, you know, famously like, you know, George 0.93

01:05:30.700 H.W. Bush, like in the scanner and how much how much a thing of milk costs these people

01:05:35.500 truly. And I'm talking about people not in politics, but people, you know, in the media

01:05:39.720 who, you know, shop at bodegas in New York where things are 18 times the price that they

01:05:44.260 are at Walmart, they're not price sensitive and they don't care about this stuff. But

01:05:48.700 everyday Americans do. The poll numbers, you know, bear this out. So why not just talk about

01:05:53.400 how American democracy is collapsing and get into the weeds of these debates and say, you

01:05:58.800 know, people just turn off and tune out. It's just you don't have to have a conversation

01:06:03.020 about real things that actually matter. You still have people heckling Joe Biden. They're

01:06:07.660 heckling him on these issues. They're actually following his lead and saying, are you saying all

01:06:11.600 MAGA people are fascists or semi-fascists or whatever? It's like, well, no, you should heckle

01:06:16.500 him about the things that are actually ruining and have been ruining the American economy,

01:06:21.200 including spending massive amounts of money, which seems to be his solution to most everything.

01:06:25.920 I think you're right. It's strategic. More inflation. I think you're right. It is strategic.

01:06:31.180 That makes sense to me. You know, talk about MAGA instead of talking about inflation and gas prices

01:06:36.260 and all the rest of it. Immigration. You could go down the list. But I also think I don't know about

01:06:40.760 Joe Biden, but those around him are true believers in what he said.

01:06:44.520 Oh, for sure. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah. And we talked about like the teachers who

01:06:49.500 can't even countenance a quote, normal Republican speaking at their schools where we kicked it off

01:06:56.100 today. And another example of that is the lunatics on MSNBC. And I don't run Joy Reid soundbites every 0.94

01:07:03.820 day because, I mean, you could you could do this with her every day. But this next one is truly

01:07:10.340 insane. Like, I really think MSNBC needs to answer for what she said on her program. I guess it was 0.99

01:07:18.040 last night. I'm not sure. I don't watch her show. So it was. Yeah, it was Monday. So she decided to go

01:07:24.860 out there and talk about in the context of the raid on Mar-a-Lago and the seizure of Trump documents,

01:07:31.640 which, you know, you remember what we don't know how much of it is classified. We don't know how

01:07:36.480 much of it is top secret exactly. But we're hearing all sorts of reports in The Washington Post

01:07:40.400 and other Trump hating outlets. So who knows? We'll find out. In any event, this is the context

01:07:47.340 in which the following discussion came up. Listen to this lunatic. 0.97

01:07:51.260 We know that in 2021 that there was a rash of deaths of American spies. They were being caught. 0.95

01:08:00.260 They were being killed. This is a very real and exigent circumstance. And the CIA has admitted

01:08:06.180 to that now. And we are not saying that we know that there is some connection between the purloin

01:08:11.700 documents and that and those events. But they did happen at a time when Trump did have custody

01:08:16.880 of some really sensitive information that he shouldn't have had.

01:08:20.700 You know, both our intelligence community and our law enforcement community must be beside

01:08:25.100 themselves right now because Donald Trump absolutely has information and evidence about

01:08:32.140 how those documents that he stole and unlawfully concealed at Mar-a-Lago might have compromised

01:08:38.600 national security. The reason I state that definitively is because he knows who he showed them to,

01:08:45.600 who he let copy them, who he let take a snapshot of them, who he might have given or worse sold

01:08:53.120 the information that was in those 43 empty classified documents folders.

01:09:00.340 I wish the audience could have seen your three faces. I wish the audience could have seen all three

01:09:05.600 of you reacting to that. Oh, my God. Do you think it's connected to the person that hacked her blog

01:09:10.680 and made her be homophobic? I don't know. I'm just asking questions, Megan. I don't know.

01:09:16.320 I don't have the same team. It has to be the same team.

01:09:19.020 I think it's because, I mean, it must be.

01:09:21.520 Yeah. It involved words on paper or at least represented in pixels. You know what it reminded

01:09:27.480 me of? That Don Lemon clip where they were talking about, was it a Malaysian flight 370?

01:09:33.440 The black hole. He's like, you know, this flight just disappeared. And some people are talking

01:09:37.400 about black holes and Bermuda triangles and lost. I mean, it's absurd. But is it absurd?

01:09:43.420 Yeah.

01:09:43.840 Yeah. No, it's absurd. Segment is over right there. You could just stop this. This doesn't

01:09:48.700 make any sense. He was the president for four years, privileged access to top secret information.

01:09:54.200 You imagine that he started selling secrets.

01:09:56.920 Selling it out of a box in his basement. It's like a swap meet. He's got bootleg DVDs. He's

01:10:04.000 got some intelligence. Look, the guy's not a billionaire. I think he's probably overstating

01:10:07.980 that, but I don't think he's selling stuff out of the back of his car in Palm Beach.

01:10:12.280 It is so crazy.

01:10:12.800 And he would be a billionaire if he were selling those kinds of secrets.

01:10:16.760 But by the way, you should fire anyone. This is a journalistic rule who hides behind the

01:10:22.920 just asking questions trope, which is the way that you say, like, I don't know how many people

01:10:28.460 died in the Holocaust. I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking the question is the bad thing 0.93

01:10:36.160 oftentimes because you are suggesting that this thing is real. She's not just saying that because

01:10:42.140 it just popped into my mind. This is a network who has told you for four and a half years, five

01:10:47.500 years, maybe six years, that Donald Trump was an active agent of Russian intelligence. Did he do

01:10:53.200 stupid things vis-a-vis Russia? Yes. Was he somebody who was on the payroll of the Russians? 1.00

01:10:58.780 Well, if you'd watched MSNBC, you would be forgiven for thinking that that was true.

01:11:03.240 So this is just an extension of that.

01:11:04.420 Yeah, but if you've watched any of the related court proceedings at which people were under oath, 0.99

01:11:08.420 you would know that it was all bullshit. Now, can I tell you, it's even worse than we know. I mean, 0.99

01:11:13.500 we know it's bullshit what she said, but it's even worse than that because for the listening audience, 0.98

01:11:18.320 what she put on the board as her evidence of, you know, these CIA agents dying, which that is true, 0.97

01:11:25.240 was a New York Times article from October of 2021. All right. And in her graphic, she actually had the

01:11:33.080 date wrong. She had it October of 2022, which obviously hasn't happened yet. So we know it was

01:11:38.660 wrong, but the actual New York Times banner job, MSNBC banner job. So but the actual article that

01:11:44.620 she was referring to was from October 2021. And it talked about a breach of the CIA's communication

01:11:52.720 system that led to CIA agents being captured, killed or compromised and losing dozens of informants.

01:12:01.460 And guess when that happened? I mean, this is an October 2021 article talking about the fact that

01:12:08.160 it did happen and there were consequences to it. And guess when it happened? It happened between 2009

01:12:15.080 and 2013 when Barack Obama was president. OK, it didn't even happen during President Trump's presidency.

01:12:25.080 So that is what this idiot is citing as her proof that Donald Trump sold secrets out of the Mar-a-Lago 0.99

01:12:32.540 document containers. She's too stupid to be on television. 1.00

01:12:39.780 According to, by the way, I just looked this up because I remembered it, that from 2013, 1.00

01:12:44.760 when she was on the Eric Wemple from the Washington Post pointed this out that she was raising questions,

01:12:49.800 not suspicions, just questions about the Guardian, then Guardian's Glenn Greenwald in his

01:12:54.940 behavior, behavior vis-a-vis Snowden, and if he was an intelligence agent or something like that.

01:13:00.000 But she was raising questions. So she's been doing this for, you know, a good part of a decade

01:13:04.820 of anybody she disagrees with, of saying, I'm just going to raise some questions of whether or not 0.97

01:13:09.160 you are a Rosenberg-like spy and you should be executed. I mean, it is total madness. And one would 1.00

01:13:15.220 expect, I mean, one wouldn't expect from MSNBC, but any journalistic outlet saying this kind of stuff

01:13:20.300 of, you know, raising questions, but I'm not raising suspicions, is, uh, is uncalled for and

01:13:25.520 is totally, totally unforgivable. And Megan, can I raise a question?

01:13:29.180 Can I, I'll, I'll give you the floor in one second, but I just, a quick point. Michael Hayden

01:13:33.200 liked a tweet of somebody saying this, that the Trump Mar-a-Lago situation was like the Rosenbaums,

01:13:37.960 like somebody who sold secrets, nuclear secrets to the bad guys. And Michael Hayden,

01:13:42.340 both of whom were executed, by the way. Yeah. He, he liked that saying pretty much

01:13:47.520 yeah. Like, Oh yeah, sure. It's exactly like that. So go ahead, Matt.

01:13:50.700 You're saying that Michael Hayden has a veracity problem to the core. Um, no, uh, not everyone

01:13:59.060 understands Megan and, and you do, uh, I don't know how much you want to, or can talk about it,

01:14:04.820 but NBC news is a news gathering operation and it has like some quality professionals in it.

01:14:12.340 It's an advantage that MSNBC theoretically has that exceeds the advantage that other cable

01:14:18.880 networks have. I have to imagine that there's a whole department in NBC, NBC news that just pulls

01:14:25.980 out its hair every single day. Like, Oh my God. What happens? They've got to be, by the way,

01:14:31.840 to correct Rosenberg, um, the NBC sort of standards and practices group. That's what they call them.

01:14:39.460 They're legit. I mean, that is a real group of people that takes what they put out on the air

01:14:44.260 very seriously to the point where I would get very frustrated with, you know, their nitpicking

01:14:49.460 on anything. That's a script. They can't control you as the anchor in your questions. At least they

01:14:54.340 couldn't with me because unlike everyone else there, I read my own questions. I came up with my own.

01:14:59.960 I came from cable where it's like, you got to think of them yourself newsflash. You got to use

01:15:05.540 your mind and come up with it on your own. But the, the system there is the anchors just ask the

01:15:10.580 questions that the producers write down for them. And the producers have those questions screened by

01:15:14.600 standards and practices before they even get in front of the anchor. Okay. Um, it's not to say they

01:15:19.420 never ad lib, but I'm just saying that that's the approach. MSNBC is not that way. All right. So like

01:15:23.960 somehow the standards are very different over there, but it's still controlled by the same

01:15:28.640 group of people who I think are honest and legitimate and they may be biased, but they're 0.98

01:15:32.080 not looking to allow bullshit like this out on their airwaves. But I mean, look, it's going to be 0.97

01:15:38.580 up to the network president, right? Does he care? Does he care at all? He didn't give a shit about her

01:15:42.120 lies about the FBI or her blog, same guy, you know? So, and I don't mean the MSNBC, I mean the head of 0.99

01:15:47.960 NBC, like they oversee MS. So do they care about this kind of egregious misstatement of fact 0.99

01:15:53.340 citing a newspaper article that was talking about events from 09 to 13 and trying to blame that on

01:15:58.580 Trump, trying to say that that event somehow led to Trump, like it's nonsensical and it's an

01:16:04.380 embarrassment. And as we're talking about network embarrassments, I might as well pivot to this.

01:16:08.300 Um, in the news today is the fact that CNN during dark Brandon's presentation, you know,

01:16:15.180 for the star Trek Nazi situation lightened the background. Okay. I, why they did, 0.70

01:16:23.340 it remains unclear. Our executive producer, Steve Krakauer called them to ask about this.

01:16:27.180 They claimed there was a problem with the feed, but every other network had it in red. CNN had it in

01:16:34.720 pink. Watch, watch. It was red. And then you're going to see it turn. Oh, there it is. It's fuchsia.

01:16:43.860 It's hot pink now. And it's unclear about whether that really was a feed problem or somebody just

01:16:53.260 said, maybe it'll look prettier and less imposing and inappropriate if we make it fuchsia.

01:16:58.200 Did they make it into a gay rights flag? Is that what they were trying to do? Just with a press of 0.90

01:17:02.540 a button just to, you know, be inclusive. Do you remember, we've talked about this on the fifth column,

01:17:08.240 which is the greatest podcast in Christendom, semi-cover issues like this, that Newsweek,

01:17:13.440 do you remember Newsweek during the OJ trial was accused of darkening his skin?

01:17:17.720 Definitely.

01:17:18.560 And the cover store, and there was two covers with the same mugshot.

01:17:21.340 Was it Newsweek or Time? I'm trying to remember.

01:17:24.140 It was one of, it might've been Time that did it, but it was Time and Newsweek both had the same cover.

01:17:27.660 And, uh, one was considerably darker. And, but it was just kind of a VN that they put around.

01:17:32.560 And it was like, of course, the neo-Nazis at Time were like, let's just make it lighter.

01:17:37.560 Like that's, that's a conversation.

01:17:38.520 Yeah, it was Time. Steve is, I just watched this. I just watched The People vs. OJ Simpson,

01:17:43.780 which is the only reason I had that in my head.

01:17:45.740 It's fantastic. And it includes the, everyone's favorite masturbator, Jeffrey Toobin, who I think 0.98

01:17:50.140 worked, right? 0.98

01:17:51.780 Everyone's favorite.

01:17:52.260 Time off from pleasuring himself to write an amazing book.

01:17:56.740 It really is a good book.

01:17:58.100 I feel like Louis C.K. might be my favorite masturbator. I don't know if I agree. 0.99

01:18:01.260 Yeah, at least he asked.

01:18:02.460 Mine too. Mine too. And polite.

01:18:04.340 He's funny. He's got, like, he's at least got good moments.

01:18:07.320 I don't know about the CNN thing. At a minimum, like, they made him look like an Oompa Loompa.

01:18:13.480 Like, the contrast of his skin gets, like, very orange.

01:18:16.620 Oh, let's see it again. I didn't even look at that. Let's check that out.

01:18:19.080 Yeah, I didn't.

01:18:19.480 I'm in favor of Oompa Loompas.

01:18:21.060 I mean, sure.

01:18:21.940 That's what they did.

01:18:23.200 All right, let's see. I was looking at the walls. I wasn't looking at him.

01:18:26.060 The walls are getting pinker.

01:18:27.840 Yeah.

01:18:28.700 He looks a little more orange to me as this goes on.

01:18:30.780 Maybe even red.

01:18:32.380 Yeah, his tint changes too. I'm not sure. I guess I'll have to give them the benefit

01:18:37.200 of the doubt on this, but it's raising all sorts of, you know, just asking, just asking

01:18:41.900 whether they manipulated him.

01:18:43.240 You're just asking a question.

01:18:43.880 That's what we do here. Just ask questions.

01:18:45.400 Just ask questions.

01:18:46.920 I'm going to give CNN the benefit of the doubt on this. It's just a weird thing to be like,

01:18:50.740 let's make it pink. 0.99

01:18:52.140 Yeah, it's weird.

01:18:52.820 It is all weird that it just happened with them. If it's the feed, this shouldn't have happened

01:18:58.160 to just CNN. I'll just, whatever.

01:19:00.180 Or maybe the presumption of some producer is like, this looks ridiculous. This cannot 0.50

01:19:04.960 be right. Like we have to try to tune this a little bit to see what it actually looks

01:19:09.980 like because who would decide that this was a good idea?

01:19:13.160 I wish I had that producer on the days where I've used too much bronzer or got a little bit

01:19:17.700 too much sun. I could use, hello, my producers. Hello. I could use your help.

01:19:22.000 Yes, producers. When she looks too much like Hitler, do something. 0.77

01:19:27.840 All right. Stand by. More with the fifth column right after this.

01:19:31.900 In all your busy lives, this may have slipped by you and I forgive you for that. And I really just

01:19:41.520 wanted to do you a solid and let you know that there's an exciting new show coming out

01:19:46.500 by Hillary and Chelsea Clinton. And it's about gutsy women, gutsy, which they, they know because 1.00

01:19:56.740 they themselves, as you see, um, are gutsy. And in case you just need a little bit more of a

01:20:03.160 description, here's a part. I won't make you watch the whole, a part of the trailer for gutsy.

01:20:11.040 Okay, here we go.

01:20:15.200 We're hitting the road to shine a light on women who inspire us to be bolder and braver.

01:20:21.140 Leadership doesn't look one way. It's a giant rainbow.

01:20:25.260 You're not going to break me down. You'll get worn out before I do.

01:20:27.360 Women who push us outside our comfort zone and make us laugh. 0.99

01:20:32.320 I'm in deep Georgia and they might have never met a Muslim.

01:20:36.520 Or they don't know they have.

01:20:37.580 Or they don't know they have.

01:20:38.580 Because we walk among you.

01:20:42.000 Hilarious.

01:20:42.860 You have a marriage that has been on public display since the beginning.

01:20:46.360 You said the gutsiest thing you ever did was stay in your marriage.

01:20:49.440 That doesn't mean that's right for everybody.

01:20:52.280 To throw someone's life away when people really do make changes.

01:20:56.200 I just believe in second chances.

01:20:58.500 My mother needed rehabilitation, not prison. 0.98

01:21:01.160 Your survival is your power.

01:21:04.120 All right, that's enough.

01:21:06.420 For the listening audience at home, what we have is Chelsea Clinton boxing and having dinner. 1.00

01:21:13.400 That is amazing.

01:21:14.900 At the beginning, I thought they were going to do that karaoke thing. 0.99

01:21:17.580 When they got in the car at that first scene, I was like, oh, shit. 1.00

01:21:20.900 Just in case you're wondering, just in case you're wondering, their only Democratic women are gutsy. 1.00

01:21:25.940 Just let's get that clear.

01:21:26.860 There's no Republican featured, naturally.

01:21:29.620 And by the way, everyone in Georgia is an Islamophobe, in case you didn't.

01:21:32.900 Yeah, 100%.

01:21:33.640 That's assumed, only to be confirmed.

01:21:37.240 I will say, Hillary went on.

01:21:39.220 Yeah, go ahead, Matt.

01:21:40.560 No, it's just like Georgia is known for being particularly friendly and multiracial.

01:21:46.960 Yeah.

01:21:47.280 But not to Muslims. 0.99

01:21:48.920 They've never met them.

01:21:50.040 They just don't know.

01:21:50.940 In the South, Matt.

01:21:51.580 Come on.

01:21:52.180 Come on.

01:21:52.400 And by the way, it was very gutsy.

01:21:54.840 I think the gutsiest thing that was not discussed, but kind of tangentially mentioned, was Bill Clinton cheating on his wife.

01:22:00.740 It was a very gutsy move at the time.

01:22:02.240 He was a president?

01:22:03.060 He was a president?

01:22:04.280 This is about gutsy gals. 1.00

01:22:06.060 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:22:06.800 Really? 1.00

01:22:07.160 Okay.

01:22:07.700 Sorry. 1.00

01:22:08.960 Is he our favorite masturbator? 1.00

01:22:10.780 I don't know. 1.00

01:22:13.100 A new entrant.

01:22:15.040 Okay.

01:22:15.840 She was asked about this, Hillary, when she was promoting her show on CBS This Morning by Nora O'Donnell, about that comment about Bill and his affair.

01:22:25.740 And, I mean, at least the one affair, I should say.

01:22:28.060 And here's how she responded.

01:22:29.060 I guess I was surprised that you said that staying in your marriage was gutsier than running for president.

01:22:35.220 Well, it was, in terms of my private life, it was really hard.

01:22:41.960 And as you know, everybody had an opinion about it.

01:22:44.280 People who I'd never met had very strong opinions about it.

01:22:47.740 And it took a lot of, honestly, prayer and thoughtfulness and talking to people I totally trusted to really think through.

01:23:00.940 Because it was all being done in public, Nora.

01:23:03.040 So it made it even more painful and difficult.

01:23:07.900 But I have no regrets.

01:23:10.700 Hmm.

01:23:11.980 Oh, dear God.

01:23:13.700 Oh, my Lord.

01:23:15.520 I'm liking your smokers.

01:23:16.220 Wait a minute.

01:23:16.640 You're not feeling it?

01:23:17.920 Well, I'm feeling it.

01:23:19.140 I am definitely feeling it.

01:23:20.540 But it's amazing.

01:23:21.720 It was like, it was very public.

01:23:23.500 And I was surprised. 0.87

01:23:25.600 Like, you know, he was the president having sex with a 20-odd-year-old intern.

01:23:30.380 It was kind of a public thing.

01:23:31.720 And the bravery of staying with him is not about Monica Lewinsky.

01:23:35.940 It's during the campaign he got caught having sex with Jennifer Flowers.

01:23:39.960 It's not like, this is new to her.

01:23:42.400 She's like, I repeat performance.

01:23:44.140 Harness that courage at the moment.

01:23:45.780 And we all know they had some weird political professional relationship that they've housed in a marriage.

01:23:54.260 I mean, that's what's happening there.

01:23:55.540 It wasn't gutsy.

01:23:56.540 It was part of your deal.

01:23:57.760 The only risk she had to assess was, is this going to hurt my husband's political chances if I leave him?

01:24:02.400 And is it going to hurt my chances long term?

01:24:04.400 I have zero belief that they're in a true, loving marriage.

01:24:08.540 You don't behave the way he has if you are.

01:24:11.860 Well, maybe you do.

01:24:14.100 It's because she doesn't care.

01:24:15.320 So, like, there's no consequences.

01:24:16.680 Why not?

01:24:17.560 Apple Plus, by the way.

01:24:18.800 That's Apple Plus.

01:24:20.120 Oh, good.

01:24:21.220 Apple Plus did that.

01:24:23.360 Barack Obama, Spotify, and Netflix.

01:24:27.620 Meghan Markle, I believe, Spotify and Netflix, too.

01:24:31.720 But she got bounced on Netflix, too.

01:24:33.320 So, all of these companies are just giving enormous advances to insufferable politicians and Meghan Markle, who is not a politician, but just insufferable. 1.00

01:24:44.840 Like, it is incredible that, like, everyone gets upset about Joe Rogan. 0.95

01:24:48.200 It's like, be a shitty politician and, you know, they'll give you $50 million to make shows that nobody wants to watch. 0.74

01:24:53.680 Why is it like getting the daughter in there, too? 0.99

01:24:56.940 It's like, why would I listen to Chelsea Clinton about anything?

01:25:00.680 What does she know about anything other than being born into this enormous privileged family, having all sorts of buckets of money thrown at her and becoming a national figure for nothing she's done? 0.98

01:25:11.980 Who gives a shit what she thinks about gutsy anybody? 0.81

01:25:14.700 Well, it's gutsy to have the presumption that anyone would care about your privileged perspective in a television show like this. 0.99

01:25:21.700 You know what? Make me the executive producer.

01:25:24.040 No, no, no. I have no shame. None at all.

01:25:26.380 Yes.

01:25:27.460 That's why I respect Jenna Bush, by the way.

01:25:29.940 Because she's, like, on TV and she's like, oh, my God, these cupcakes are delicious.

01:25:33.920 And that's, like, it, like, in the morning.

01:25:35.460 Like, fine. That's great.

01:25:36.480 She's not like, here's the thing about black women. 1.00

01:25:40.260 It's like, what are you talking about? 0.55

01:25:41.680 Why are you Muslims in Georgia? 0.92

01:25:43.840 The cupcake thing was good.

01:25:45.120 I like that.

01:25:46.320 This time, Chelsea actually has to produce something. 1.00

01:25:49.080 Didn't she get paid, like, $240,000 a year by NBC News to produce, what, six somethings that no one ever watched or listened to?

01:25:59.960 I can't do that.

01:26:02.920 I'll do it for half the money.

01:26:04.700 I will do that for half the money tomorrow.

01:26:06.920 I have learned from your podcast that you do have musings on somebody who is a very famous figure, not named Chelsea Clinton, but Michael Jackson.

01:26:16.160 Oh, yeah.

01:26:17.320 And I'll never listen to the song Thriller the same way.

01:26:21.900 What?

01:26:22.640 Again.

01:26:23.580 Camille.

01:26:23.960 Thank you very much.

01:26:25.920 Yes.

01:26:26.540 What you do, Camille.

01:26:27.660 Oh, actually, they cut a clip.

01:26:28.980 They cut a clip.

01:26:29.580 We knew you were coming, so we baked a cake.

01:26:31.620 Here it is.

01:26:32.380 Here's, listen to this.

01:26:33.320 What?

01:26:33.620 Oh, see, everybody home is like, yeah, we're in the fall.

01:26:52.120 That's how you know.

01:26:52.400 He's 12 years old.

01:26:54.040 I'm sorry.

01:26:54.520 Yeah.

01:26:54.880 No.

01:26:55.460 Camille's like, no, you've been mishearing, misunderstanding.

01:26:59.520 You tell me what you think he's saying there.

01:27:03.160 Thriller is a song about intimacy.

01:27:06.740 It is a song about sexual relations. 0.99

01:27:09.420 And in those particular lyrics, Michael Jackson is clearly singing about his genitals. 0.97

01:27:15.060 Something spooks you in the dark. 0.88

01:27:17.020 Yes.

01:27:17.440 That's what he's talking about.

01:27:18.460 And you could follow this thread all the way.

01:27:21.060 Even the voiceover by Vincent Price.

01:27:23.720 Very suggestive stuff.

01:27:25.520 I mean, they talk like the funk of 40,000 years.

01:27:28.040 This is an extraordinary experience.

01:27:31.440 It's funky and sweaty and gross.

01:27:34.060 And also, you want to run, but you can't.

01:27:36.340 You're a little afraid because you're not sure if you can.

01:27:38.560 Don't worry, girl.

01:27:39.320 Because you're 13.

01:27:40.340 I got you.

01:27:40.900 And it's really nice. 0.99

01:27:42.320 He's a predator. 1.00

01:27:43.580 He's a predator. 0.99

01:27:44.980 Wait, we need to listen again.

01:27:46.380 We have to listen to it one more time now, understanding.

01:27:48.800 It's also a great song.

01:27:50.080 Can we play it again?

01:27:50.820 Let's play it again.

01:27:51.920 On a great album.

01:27:53.600 It's close to midnight.

01:27:56.460 Something evil's lurking.

01:27:58.040 From the door.

01:28:00.380 Him.

01:28:01.220 That's what's even lurking.

01:28:04.340 You see a sight that almost stopped your heart.

01:28:07.660 Oh, dear God.

01:28:08.580 Is that Michael Jackson in the bushes?

01:28:10.100 He's self-aggrandizing.

01:28:10.600 He just almost stopped my heart.

01:28:13.660 Sign of it, man.

01:28:15.060 So when did this dawn on you?

01:28:16.580 You were driving your car?

01:28:17.500 What happened?

01:28:17.940 How did this dawn on you?

01:28:18.960 You know, I was sitting in an airport in New Orleans.

01:28:21.440 I was actually just leaving a public radio conference.

01:28:24.460 Where I did a debate on whether or not public radio was still relevant.

01:28:28.600 Guess which side he took.

01:28:31.380 I was very kind and well-received.

01:28:34.540 And I think it was, there was a song from Thriller that came on.

01:28:39.300 And I can't remember which one it was right now.

01:28:41.520 PYT?

01:28:42.360 It might have been PYT.

01:28:43.500 It was something like that.

01:28:44.540 But it brought, like, it was clear that everyone in the airport was a little more joyous in that moment.

01:28:49.660 And I thought to myself, one, Thriller's an amazing album.

01:28:52.460 Two, it is impossible to cancel this man.

01:28:54.620 And three, I started thinking about Thriller because I was, like, listening to the album again.

01:28:59.160 And it just dawned on me that this was Michael Jackson's sexual healing.

01:29:05.320 This was his turn off the lights.

01:29:07.780 That's obviously what was going on here.

01:29:09.380 And I just, I didn't know.

01:29:10.600 I didn't know.

01:29:11.140 Also, for, it does not appear that he actually molested those two guys in that movie.

01:29:17.660 No.

01:29:18.220 So, by the way, I think we're all in the same.

01:29:19.960 Well, I can't wait to say Matt.

01:29:21.360 I know Camille and I have talked about the, was it HBO movie?

01:29:25.160 I think that's right.

01:29:25.980 Oh, documentary.

01:29:28.060 Yes.

01:29:29.120 Yeah.

01:29:29.400 Very suspicious.

01:29:30.000 I don't believe those two guys.

01:29:30.980 I do not believe those two guys.

01:29:32.480 I don't know what happened in the rest of Michael's career, but I've looked enough at those two guys and their story that I do not believe them.

01:29:39.260 Yes.

01:29:39.420 But I will say, honestly, that I would be more inclined to believe them if Thriller was a really shitty album, but it's not.

01:29:44.840 Yes, that's true.

01:29:45.700 So, I am more inclined to be like, I don't know.

01:29:47.960 That's true.

01:29:48.860 And I did want to raise a social justice issue, or just a justice issue, they're all the same thing, that I mentioned on the show.

01:29:56.980 Yes.

01:29:57.160 Eddie Van Halen never got paid a nickel for his guitar solo on Beat It, and that is a tragedy.

01:30:03.320 Wait, Eddie Van Halen played on Beat It?

01:30:05.680 What?

01:30:05.940 Beat It is the theme of this episode.

01:30:08.100 Take care.

01:30:08.940 Yes.

01:30:09.320 Yeah, in some people's lives.

01:30:12.940 Did you literally just say that you didn't know Eddie Van Halen played guitar?

01:30:16.040 I didn't know that.

01:30:17.520 Oh, my God.

01:30:18.540 You call yourself a newswoman.

01:30:20.240 That's a horrified. 0.98

01:30:21.540 My own ignorance. 0.90

01:30:23.180 Unbelievable. 0.97

01:30:23.580 I'm not doing enough horror.

01:30:24.260 That's the best part of the song, and he didn't get paid for it.

01:30:26.800 Rest in peace, Michael Jackson and Eddie Van Halen.

01:30:28.480 The vocals don't matter.

01:30:29.940 Someone will find without the vocals.

01:30:31.700 Why didn't he get paid for it?

01:30:33.840 He was just a nice guy, and Quincy Jones asked him to come to the studio, and he was like, all right, came down, played the solo in one take, then left.

01:30:39.940 And it was the biggest song on the planet for 10 years and forgot to get paid.

01:30:44.380 Oh, no.

01:30:44.760 Yeah.

01:30:45.380 That's a true one.

01:30:45.640 Your point about lyrics matter and the singer, only the singer, that reminds me of this comedian who I saw once at, I don't remember where, but he did this bit about how he was playing his guitar during his act.

01:30:55.140 And he was saying, he was very good, but he was like, I'll never make it as a musician because the lyrics matter.

01:31:00.500 And lyrics matter, and I can't come up with any good lyrics.

01:31:02.520 And this has been proven to me time and time again.

01:31:04.020 And he's like, you know, I thought I was on my way up and I was going to get more gigs and money was starting to come in.

01:31:08.220 And then I realized, you know, I'll never be as great as like, are you going to Scarborough Fair?

01:31:15.820 Parsley, sage, rosemary.

01:31:18.080 Like, what?

01:31:19.060 What?

01:31:20.020 It's just a recipe.

01:31:23.340 The lyrics matter.

01:31:26.940 And they're not all that matters, apparently.

01:31:29.580 Yeah.

01:31:29.760 Well, we're going to have a debate on the Michael Jackson case very soon because-

01:31:34.020 I don't know.

01:31:35.720 Yeah.

01:31:35.960 No, we actually are.

01:31:36.740 We're going to go there.

01:31:37.280 I like to go to the place that hurts in case you guys weren't aware.

01:31:41.860 And I really think HBO ought to be ashamed of itself for putting that on as a documentary and using Oprah once again with her, you know, sort of seal of approval to bless it without any challenging POVs.

01:31:53.500 There wasn't.

01:31:54.020 They should have had somebody come on at the end to say, here's a problem with what you said.

01:31:57.640 Here's a problem with what you said.

01:31:58.780 A lawyer for the Jackson estate, maybe somebody to push back on the problems in that documentary.

01:32:05.260 Because there were some timeline issues.

01:32:07.040 And I seem to remember one of the kids like was wanted to be a dancer in like his later shows and then was like rejected.

01:32:14.480 It wasn't cast.

01:32:15.400 Years afterwards, it wasn't cast.

01:32:17.020 Yes.

01:32:17.400 You know, basic things that, as you know, Megan, in a court of law, a defense attorney would bring up and you would want to put into documentary to like, you know, at least be fair to the guy.

01:32:26.640 But it's way worse than that.

01:32:28.680 It's so much more like that's the least of the sins of of that, quote, movie and quote documentary.

01:32:34.720 And what they did was like here or there, they throw in like one fact that wasn't good for them.

01:32:38.520 But they left out the huge, giant credibility problems that I believe those guys had.

01:32:43.560 So we'll get into that at some point in the not too distant future.

01:32:47.060 All right.

01:32:47.560 So listen, you're back to school.

01:32:49.240 We had this debate last week just just with Michael Knowles.

01:32:52.340 And he's very pro.

01:32:53.480 I was neutral.

01:32:54.320 My friends at Sirius are very anti pumpkin spice latte.

01:32:59.200 Where do you stand?

01:33:01.820 Semi-fascism.

01:33:03.060 Semi-fascism.

01:33:03.940 If not full-blown fascism.

01:33:05.260 Yeah.

01:33:05.700 It's not a fan.

01:33:06.500 Not okay.

01:33:07.340 Not a fan.

01:33:08.380 No.

01:33:08.640 No.

01:33:09.040 Like ever or just too soon?

01:33:11.920 Never.

01:33:12.980 I mean, in general.

01:33:13.960 Yeah.

01:33:14.320 I'm a matcha.

01:33:15.380 I'm a matcha chai tea latte guy.

01:33:18.020 Wow.

01:33:18.400 What a communist.

01:33:18.820 It's never worked for me.

01:33:20.040 Never worked.

01:33:20.780 It's fancy.

01:33:21.940 So you could cross over.

01:33:23.560 I learned that in Brooklyn.

01:33:24.740 Oh, wow.

01:33:26.000 Yeah.

01:33:26.220 I just sit in my Ugg boots drinking pumpkin spice lattes and reading O Magazine.

01:33:33.260 Does this still exist?

01:33:34.000 O Magazine?

01:33:34.840 Is that a real thing?

01:33:35.640 Watching Bravo.

01:33:36.780 Watching Bravo weeping and wondering what's happened to the real housewives.

01:33:41.520 Who I saw one of them the other day in a yogurt store.

01:33:45.040 And she looks famous one.

01:33:46.680 Suspiciously quiet.

01:33:47.520 Suspiciously quiet.

01:33:48.380 Why is that?

01:33:49.880 Why?

01:33:50.440 I don't know.

01:33:51.180 I should have talked to her.

01:33:52.660 But I couldn't.

01:33:53.500 She looked very strange.

01:33:54.720 And I was like, I don't know.

01:33:56.080 But yeah. 0.96

01:33:56.440 Pumpkin spice latte is for communists and fascists.

01:33:59.360 I'm happy that American free market capitalism has granted us enough choice to throw up all

01:34:05.380 kinds of horrible things that I've never used in any way, shape, or form.

01:34:12.280 Starbucks is not.

01:34:12.920 I have never had one.

01:34:14.940 And this is the fall.

01:34:16.220 I'm going to have one.

01:34:16.780 I'm going to drink it right here live in the air.

01:34:18.960 And we're going to get it.

01:34:19.780 We'll have you come back.

01:34:20.600 Maybe all four of us can do it together at the same time and see if it changes our opinions.

01:34:26.720 No matcha.

01:34:27.200 All right, guys.

01:34:28.880 All right.

01:34:29.460 What a pleasure.

01:34:30.240 As always, Matt, Michael, Camille, to be continued.

01:34:32.660 Thank you, Megan.

01:34:33.180 Don't forget.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 06, 2022

Bombshell School Videos, and Dark Brandon's Speech, with Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 385

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