The Megyn Kelly Show - BREAKING： Bombshell New Phone Evidence Shows Fani Willis and Nathan Wade May Have Lied Under Oath, with Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 730

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Special edition coming to you live

00:00:16.620 from Washington, D.C., where I am for CPAC. And I was not expecting to be on the air today,

00:00:23.320 but we had such significant breaking news in the Fannie Willis debacle that we had to put

00:00:28.880 an episode out for you. So that's what we're doing today. And Phil Holloway, who's the founder of

00:00:33.160 Holloway Law Group, a lawyer down in Cobb County, right where this is all happening. He knows a lot

00:00:37.820 of the players in the case is with us. And we're going to get you updated on the bombshell developments

00:00:43.040 that dropped earlier this morning. Phil, thanks for being here. Always happy to be with you, Megyn.

00:00:48.080 Good afternoon. Thank you very much. And to you. All right. So let's just start with the headline.

00:00:53.840 The headline is that the defense lawyers for Trump filed a brief today attaching an affidavit

00:01:02.980 from an investigator who works for the defense, who went and somehow you're going to explain how

00:01:09.080 managed to get a subpoena for Nathan Wade's cell phone records. Not all of his, you know,

00:01:16.260 the specifics of his texts, but that show where he was, what cell phone towers his phones were

00:01:23.400 connecting to, how many times he called Fannie Willis, et cetera. There's a ton of detail in

00:01:30.040 here. And what they are saying is that there's really no doubt that these two were in excessive

00:01:38.220 contact throughout at least 2021, long before they said their affair began under oath in 2022,

00:01:45.700 to the tune of 12,000 text messages over the 11th month, 11 month period. They looked at in 2021

00:01:54.140 and over 2000 voice calls in that same period. I was averaging it out. It's basically, I think,

00:02:01.520 180 text messages a month, which is a lot or a hundred. No, it's 180 voice calls a month,

00:02:12.720 which is insane. I went back just for kicks to see how many voice calls my husband and I had this

00:02:17.260 month, Phil, and it was 46. All right. So they had, they were averaging 180, these alleged non-lovers

00:02:24.460 during 2021. And the cell phone tower evidence seems to suggest there were also overnight visits

00:02:33.260 between these two allegedly platonic friends. So what did you, what was your takeaway and what you

00:02:39.400 read this morning? Yep. So that's quite something. And of course, you know, we have not heard their

00:02:45.700 response, but I don't know what their response could be because what, what they did, they used

00:02:50.520 something called geo-fencing, which basically, you know, law enforcement uses it all the time

00:02:55.320 to solve crimes. Anytime somebody goes somewhere with a smartphone, you know, it can be tracked.

00:03:00.760 And this is quite frankly, one of the first times I've ever seen it used

00:03:04.120 this way by the defense in a criminal case. But last week when we heard Steve Sadow

00:03:10.360 questioning Nathan Wade and Fonnie Willis, he asked some questions that led me to believe that he

00:03:16.860 just might have cell phone data. And, and lo and behold, he's working in connection with Ashley

00:03:23.600 Merchant, who represents Mr. Roman, who first brought this whole thing to light. They, they sent a subpoena

00:03:29.440 to the cell phone providers and they got the data and they ran it through fancy software that

00:03:34.400 investigators use. And by the way, private investigators who work for criminal defense

00:03:39.320 lawyers, they can get the same training that cops can get. And so the tables have really

00:03:44.000 been turned. This data, Megan shows that he was at, you know, her place or maybe that safe house or

00:03:53.600 the member of the witness that said, you know, that it was at her home for a while. She's the one that

00:03:58.520 solved them together, solved them acting like her friend, her former friend, Robin Yurty, who

00:04:03.160 turned on her and testified. That was, yeah, that was the resident. She just, just to bring people 0.98

00:04:07.760 up to speed. That was her, the friend, Robin Yurty, who was her very good friend since college and

00:04:13.100 also testified the affair was going on long before 2022 also said that after Fannie was getting harassed

00:04:20.260 at her home, she allowed Fannie to move into Robin's condo for a period of time. And it appears to

00:04:27.020 include most of 2021. And, um, that's where Fannie was during all this time. And the defense was

00:04:33.800 making a big deal during the hearing we watched last week of how many times did Mr. Wade visit

00:04:38.020 you there? Is that, that's what you're talking about? Yeah. And that's, that's, that's the

00:04:41.440 resonance that they, they use after his testimony, they went back and, and compared the cell phone

00:04:46.200 data and they found him going there, you know, from, uh, you know, in, in the evening, maybe,

00:04:51.760 you know, seven, eight, nine o'clock to three, four, five o'clock in the morning. Right. So

00:04:56.600 this is not the time when you're just basically over there visiting your boss, you know, preparing

00:05:02.360 for court, right. This is the time when you're, uh, doing things, maybe sleeping, maybe sleeping

00:05:08.720 together. Uh, but this is not the, the general sort of, you were just going to hang out and

00:05:13.840 have drinks kind of time. Right. Let me just, let me, let me put some numbers on that. So

00:05:17.580 what, what the, uh, private investigator Charles Middlestad is saying is that the cell phone

00:05:23.780 records show that at a minimum of 35 occasions, when Mr. Wade's phone connected for an extended

00:05:30.960 period to either one of these towers in close proximity to where Fannie Willis was living,

00:05:35.780 um, the data reveal he is stationary and not in transit. So it's not like he's doing a flyby. So

00:05:40.840 at least 35 occasions in those 11 months, in addition to the 2000 voice calls and just under 12,000 text

00:05:47.060 messages. And the two instances that he highlights are the ones you just made reference to September

00:05:53.380 11th overnight into the 12th, 2021, of course, before Nathan Wade was hired as special prosecutor

00:05:59.880 showed, he arrived at Fannie Willis's house at 10 45 PM and stayed until 3 28 AM arrived back at his

00:06:10.840 home at 4 0 5 AM. And then sent a text to Fannie Willis at 4 20 AM. Now look. Yeah. That's the,

00:06:18.620 I made it home safe text, right? This is like, this is to me what an affair looks like. He was still

00:06:27.400 married. I think he was still living with his wife at this point. Cause I'm like, why would somebody

00:06:32.380 leave the house of their affair partner at three 28 in the morning? And I don't know, I guess we'll find

00:06:38.240 out eventually maybe, but it certainly might be something someone who didn't want their wife to 1.00

00:06:42.500 know they had left the house, uh, might do. Cause he did it again. The other example is November 29th

00:06:48.680 to 30th, 2021. And, uh, he arrived at her home at 12 43 in the morning and stayed there until just

00:06:56.600 before 5 AM 4 55 AM. And remember, this is just comparing his known residents to that known location.

00:07:04.020 That's the only two they looked at. If they start looking at other things, who knows what they're

00:07:08.440 going to find? Think about his testimony and her testimony in court and how many times it was asked,

00:07:13.900 you know, uh, did you ever cohabitate together and all this kind of stuff? And they were like, no,

00:07:18.480 there was no cohabitating, uh, no spin in the night. Well, I guess it depends on what your definition

00:07:23.600 of spinning the night is. Cause if you leave at five o'clock in the morning, maybe you say, well,

00:07:27.500 it wasn't quiet the whole night. I don't know, but we're splitting hairs. I was just not going to

00:07:33.100 fly, but I'll play a little bit of that sound. So people can be reminded. Sot three is that claim 0.62

00:07:38.560 you just referenced. Watch. I have gone to a condo in Hapeville. Okay. So Hapeville. Yes, ma'am.

00:07:46.020 So you have gone to a condo with Ms. Willis in Hapeville. I have. Have you spent the night there?

00:07:51.420 Never. Never spent the night. Never. Did Mr. Wade ever visit you at the condo that you leased?

00:07:57.600 From Ms. Yurdy. He visited that condo. Yes, he did. Yes.

00:08:05.700 Did he ever spend the night at that condo? No. Just visited. Yeah, but he did visit for sure.

00:08:12.480 Did anyone else stay with you at the Yurdy condo? Including Ms. Yurdy? Never. Ms. Yurdy never

00:08:19.160 lived in the condo. My word was stay, not lived. Stayed with you at the condo. I guess I don't

00:08:24.240 understand the distinction, but no one ever, I think my baby, my oldest child, I think she

00:08:30.200 spent one night with me, maybe my oldest and my youngest. But I think that whole time I

00:08:34.800 was in that place, other than that one night, I don't think anyone ever, it was a very lonely

00:08:40.960 period in my life. I don't think anyone ever spent the night other than maybe one night.

00:08:46.340 Doesn't look like she was that lonely because I'm sorry, you arrive at quarter to one in

00:08:52.320 the morning and leave at five in the morning. That's the night.

00:08:55.740 You know, I'm so glad that I came on to do this show with you today because my Twitter

00:08:59.940 feed has just been blowing up all day. And I've been trying to remember as best I can,

00:09:04.540 you know, what we heard in that testimony. But this, this, that site you just played,

00:09:09.260 you know, that crystallizes it right there. It's obvious that they were, look, in my opinion,

00:09:16.660 at least it's obvious that they were lying. Okay. So they've, if that's the case, they've

00:09:21.520 lied under oath. They've perpetrated a fraud on the court. Okay. So we're now in very, very

00:09:27.920 serious territory here. This is the kind of thing that the judge is really not going to have much

00:09:33.300 choice. He's got to take some action now because we can't have people playing these little word

00:09:38.160 games like that when they're asked a straight question and they say, no, nobody ever stayed

00:09:41.940 the night. Well, if they left at 5 a.m., that's been in the night in my book. Okay. And so they

00:09:47.980 certainly were not forthcoming. They certainly left the wrong impression. It tried to at least of what

00:09:55.160 was going on. And so the question becomes, if they're lying about that, Megan, what else are they

00:10:00.820 lying about? And that's when the whole thing ties together with the cash, the untraceable cash,

00:10:05.880 the judge, if he finds that a witness has lied or is untruthful, he is entitled to disbelieve all of

00:10:12.700 their testimony about everything else. And that includes the cash. I mean, and this is ignoring

00:10:16.940 the big lie that we think they told, which is their affair did not begin before 2022 after she hired

00:10:23.540 him. I mean, the reason whether he slept over and the number of texts and the number of phone calls

00:10:28.400 is relevant is it doesn't sound like a platonic relationship. I don't, I practiced law for 10 years.

00:10:34.380 I never had a co-counsel come over and spend the night from 1 a.m. to five in the morning. And I

00:10:40.660 was a single woman for most of that time. Didn't happen. And there's a reason. So this is all sort 1.00

00:10:47.280 of evidence of the big lie, which I believe they told because they knew it, it stinks that she hired 1.00

00:10:55.220 her lover, that she paid him more than she paid the other special prosecutors and that she then

00:11:01.100 benefited from it because he took her all over the world on this fat cat salary, at least versus

00:11:06.820 what she'd be paying people who actually worked for her in the DA's office and certainly what she was

00:11:11.280 making. But I want to go back because they, they were asked, it was very clear. And I, I sensed the

00:11:17.520 same when they were getting cross-examined by Merchant and by Sadow. It was very clear they had these

00:11:21.940 records when they were asking Fannie and Nathan questions last Friday. And, um, it's now knowing what we

00:11:29.100 know from this affidavit and these phone records. It's very interesting to watch the testimony because

00:11:34.300 Nathan knows Fannie knows they know what the truth is and watch them dance on these questions. Here's

00:11:41.500 Fannie being careful not to actually say exactly how many times Nathan Wade visited that condo again. Now

00:11:49.300 we know it was at least 35 occasions when he was there for an extended period. Watch. Could you give

00:11:55.800 us an approximation of how many times Mr. Wade visited you at the condo between the time you moved in

00:12:03.260 and prior to November 1 of 2020? I don't think often, but I don't remember. I don't want to speculate.

00:12:12.800 Can we say more than five, more than 10?

00:12:16.400 I'm going to tell you the problem I'm having here.

00:12:26.100 Let's say more than 10, but I'm not sure that that's even accurate. Uh, he certainly has come

00:12:31.240 and picked me up. I'm going to grab some food to eat. I don't remember him being in that condo a lot.

00:12:39.600 I don't, I'm sorry. You want a number and what I don't want to do.

00:12:42.780 You're giving me your, your current and best recollection is all I'm asking. That's all I can

00:12:46.440 give you. So. Okay. And now here's Nathan Wade, just for the audience. Cause the name is

00:12:52.680 interesting. It sounded like hate ville, Georgia. I remember thinking that when we last Friday

00:12:57.780 thinking who would name their town hate ville it's hate with a P like Paul hate ville. Here's

00:13:03.820 Nathan Wade's commentary about the number of times he visited the condo. Your answer is yes. Prior to

00:13:09.520 November 1st of 2021, you would have gone to the hate ville condo and been there with Ms. Willis,

00:13:16.240 correct? Yes. And you would have been there as you indicated for many reasons, right? Yes. Can

00:13:23.620 you give me just a list a few of the reasons? Ms. Yurdy resided there, went to visit her, um, 0.99

00:13:32.060 maybe went to talk about, uh, a document that I received. Um, you would go to the condo and talk

00:13:40.040 about a document that you received? Absolutely. Okay. Go ahead. Absolutely. Any other reasons?

00:13:46.880 None come to mind. None come to mind. No, sir. And, uh, would you say that was frequent? When I say

00:13:53.580 frequent, do you think prior to November 1st of 2021, you were at the condo more than 10 times?

00:13:59.560 No, sir. So it'd be less than 10 times? Yes, sir. So if phone records were to reflect that you were

00:14:04.840 making phone calls from the same location as the condo before November, uh, 1st of 2021,

00:14:10.860 and it was on multiple occasions, the phone records would be wrong? If phone records reflected that,

00:14:17.020 yes, sir. They'd be wrong. They'd be wrong. Any other reasons why you would be in the hate

00:14:20.900 ville area on multiple occasions prior to November 1st of 2021?

00:14:28.580 Let's see. The Porsche experience is there. I'm sorry? The Porsche experience is there. Okay. So

00:14:34.540 that would have been one. Any other reason? Um, yes, sir. The, the airport is there. Airport in

00:14:39.260 Hapeville. Uh, yes, sir. Delta Airlines is, yeah, but headquartered there. Um, let's see.

00:14:50.900 Um, restaurant's there. Okay. Um,

00:14:55.280 if you have, if that's your recollection, that's fine. I'm not asking you to try to remember everything.

00:15:08.620 Okay, Phil. So again, I never had an associate drop me off a document at two in the morning and

00:15:18.180 then stay for several hours. The Porsche experience, I, unless that's a euphemism for what he calls

00:15:25.380 fanny, that doesn't work either. Not overnight. And then the airport, this investigator, um, Charles

00:15:32.880 Middlestad specifically said modality was used to eliminate the possibility that hits could

00:15:38.600 be associated with routine travel on I-75 or I-85 or nearby the airport. He did his best to

00:15:45.160 eliminate any commercial site, um, that was in the cell phone towers. Having said that, it's not an

00:15:50.800 exact science. It's not an exact science, but you know, you heard him there saying, scoffing at the

00:15:56.560 notion he was ever there more than 10 times. Well, you know, the, the truth will, will out. It will

00:16:01.960 always come out. I think the one thing that, that you, in that testimony that he left out was

00:16:07.360 that he went down there to that condo, uh, to get her to help him with his briefs. I think that's

00:16:13.820 probably what he, what, what he should have said. And that's probably more close to, to what's being

00:16:18.360 accurate. Listen, this was a booty call. That's what these were. Look at, we can call a spade a spade.

00:16:22.960 Um, and he can say if he wants to, that the, that the phone records are wrong, but they're not.

00:16:30.800 The, you know, phone records don't just change themselves. Uh, they've got him, they've got him

00:16:35.760 dead to rights. They've caught him. They've caught her, quite frankly, I think, in my opinion, uh,

00:16:40.700 in, in some lies. And it's not just one, it's over and over and over and over. And so now this case

00:16:47.400 is no longer about the guilt or the innocence of the accused. It's about the prosecutor. It's about

00:16:53.300 the prosecution team. Now, all these people that work for her, they now have to go into court and

00:16:59.380 they've got to decide for themselves, you know, do we still carry this water for our boss? Do we

00:17:04.980 buy into this claim that the phone records may be fake? Because they have an ethical obligation as

00:17:10.620 lawyers to be truthful and candid with the court. And, and they can't go into court and advocate

00:17:17.080 something that's knowingly false because then they are doing the same thing that it looks like,

00:17:22.880 in my opinion, Wade and Willis are doing, and they can get disbarred and they could go to jail.

00:17:27.720 They could be found in contempt of court. All sorts of bad things can happen to them.

00:17:31.940 Right about now, the least of Fannie Willis's concerns is the guilt or innocence of the accused

00:17:37.420 in this case, whether she gets any more convictions. She's going to be lucky to get out of this

00:17:42.760 mess that she's in with her law license intact. I mean, we are into territory, Megan, where she could 1.00

00:17:48.640 be tossed from office. She could be indicted. She could be referred for bar investigations. 0.97

00:17:56.420 You know, the attorney general watches the news here in Georgia. There are procedures and mechanisms

00:18:01.120 in place to take action when, when people commit crimes in a courtroom, and it is a crime to lie to the

00:18:08.020 judge. And this is, this is exactly what she's accusing a lot of these defendants of doing.

00:18:13.840 And here, it's on full display, but right here for the whole world to see her barging in there. 0.92

00:18:20.980 You got to hear this, Bill. This is just breaking on her response via CBS News. The Fulton County DA's

00:18:29.520 office is working Friday to craft a rapid legal response that explains why cell phone data unearthed

00:18:35.260 by Donald Trump's lawyers does not undermine the timeline DA Fannie Willis gave regarding when

00:18:41.540 her relationship with Nathan Wade began. A source close to Willis said lawyers in her office are

00:18:46.580 trying to challenge the interpretation of the data filed by Trump's lawyers. If the data analysis is

00:18:52.460 proven to be accurate, it might serve as a powerful piece of evidence that Wade and Willis misled the

00:18:57.460 court about when their relationship began, among other things. The Trump team's analysis was

00:19:02.780 conducted by a private investigator who used a geofencing analytics tool called CellHawk. We

00:19:07.360 knew this, which the investigator called the gold standard in cell phone records analysis.

00:19:11.740 On Friday, lawyers for the DA's office were trying to find their own expert witnesses who would be able

00:19:17.800 to counter what the Trump lawyers have asserted. According to the source, their hope is to be able

00:19:22.440 to file a response as early as Friday or this weekend. Quote, the interpretation of the data is not

00:19:27.420 what you think it is, end quote, the source told CBS News. Lawyers for the DA's office are not expected

00:19:33.860 to claim that Wade did not visit the condo on multiple occasions. Indeed, both Wade and Willis

00:19:39.800 have testified that Willis was there as many as 10 times, but they will maintain that the relationship

00:19:44.100 had not developed into a romance during that period. By the way, nice sleight of hand by CBS News.

00:19:48.840 They both testified that he was there as many as 10 times. They don't point out. We just heard him

00:19:56.180 testify definitely not more than 10. Okay, anyway, going on. The source also says that it was not

00:20:03.980 uncommon. All right, ready for this, Bill? For Willis to hold work meetings at the condo.

00:20:12.360 Wade was not working in the DA's office until November of 21.

00:20:15.500 But the source says he was part of her, quote, kitchen cabinet. Before that, in one meeting,

00:20:23.340 according to the source, Wade was involved in discussions about the Atlanta spa shooting case

00:20:27.240 in which eight people were allegedly shot to death by disturbed gunmen. So this is the kitchen

00:20:32.340 cabinet, not the kitchen sink, but the kitchen cabinet defense. I mean, she's a tough boss if 1.00

00:20:39.960 she's calling you over there for six hours overnight when you're supposed to be getting your sleep

00:20:44.080 down. You know, I mean, it was the kitchen. I mean, honestly, that's this is that there's this

00:20:50.520 just it's so incredulous. I just can't believe that this is their excuse. This is something that

00:20:56.240 just absolutely defies all logic and credibility. It's worse than the cash explanation. Megan,

00:21:02.500 this is worse than the cash. She's saying that he was over there till four or five o'clock in the

00:21:07.040 morning on a kitchen cabinet meeting. I mean, I don't know what rooms they visited each other in.

00:21:14.300 Maybe some of them were the kitchen. Maybe it was the back patio. Who knows? But this cell data was

00:21:20.240 it was it's there. I know this investigator. He's very good. He's as good as the cops are.

00:21:25.980 He's better than a lot of cops. He's not going to be impeachable in the sense that, you know,

00:21:30.880 his work product is is not going to be something that they're going to be able to easily dispel.

00:21:36.040 And here's the other thing. I was thinking about this when you were reading

00:21:38.540 that response. Do you think that this was the only evidence that the Trump team and the Roman 0.92

00:21:46.920 defense team are holding back? Or I'm pretty sure they've got more. So what's going to happen?

00:21:52.600 We're going to see them come out with some cockamamie type of response. And then round two comes. And then,

00:21:59.620 you know, it's the kind of thing where you give them enough rope and let them hang themselves.

00:22:03.000 That's exactly what these defense lawyers are doing. And they are doing it exquisitely.

00:22:09.060 Well, can I say something? If I were a lawyer in Fannie Willis's position right now and I really

00:22:13.400 had nothing to hide, I really hadn't been having the affair prior to when I testified I was,

00:22:18.920 I'd say, judge, let's go on camera and I'll show you the texts. We did text a lot because he was

00:22:23.700 helping me on that shooting or he's part of my kitchen cabinet. Here are my texts. Here are his texts.

00:22:29.500 If it was a completely platonic affair, the odds are those texts are going to be completely anodyne

00:22:36.100 and boring. But the odds are very different if it was a love affair. And there's probably going to

00:22:42.900 be some hot and steamy things in there or expressions of love. Let's see them. Show the texts if you're

00:22:48.900 so innocent. Let's see them. Yeah. And the other thing that is worth pointing out for people who may not

00:22:55.400 be familiar with the Atlanta area, you know, East Cobb County is very close to where I'm sitting now,

00:23:02.060 but it's no easy task to get all the way down to Hapeville. You know, I guess at midnight,

00:23:09.740 one in the morning, four or five in the morning, there's not that much traffic. So he's got that

00:23:13.220 going for it. But this is not normal business working hours. This is the time when you're,

00:23:18.920 the, the, I can't really think of any other reason that they would be visiting one another

00:23:23.900 at two, three, four or five o'clock in the morning, unless it was having an affair.

00:23:28.340 If it were innocent, then why would you lie about the number? If it were innocent, you'd say,

00:23:32.280 oh yeah, definitely more than 10. It was dozens of times. We were working on a bunch of matters.

00:23:35.940 We were friends. I was her mentor. You wouldn't downplay. You wouldn't start talking about the

00:23:40.700 Porsche experience. This is like the whole thing smacks of dishonesty, but I have a couple of questions I

00:23:47.120 want to ask you about. Um, and I want to get back to the cell phones cause there's more there.

00:23:51.720 How did they get a subpoena for the cell phone records of the prosecutor? That is extraordinary.

00:24:00.640 Yeah. So, um, I've seen, uh, in the filings, there's at least part of the subpoena and it

00:24:07.120 actually came, Ashley Merchant appears to be the one who sent the subpoena. So somehow they would

00:24:13.340 have been able to get Nathan's cell phone number. I've got it. I know what his cell phone number is.

00:24:18.980 I've had it for a long time, but somebody also had to get her cell phone number. And this tells me

00:24:25.940 that they've got sources. They've got people that are close to her that, uh, that, that are perhaps

00:24:31.440 helping provide them information. You know, um, it's, and once you get that, you just have to send

00:24:38.040 the subpoena, uh, you're a criminal defendant, you have the right to what's called compulsory process.

00:24:43.500 That means you can compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of documents and

00:24:48.980 other evidence. Now we don't see this often. We don't see this often happening, uh, from the defense,

00:24:55.240 but it can happen. Uh, prosecutors do it all the time. Fonnie Willis, she used the grand jury going 1.00

00:25:00.740 the other way. I've never seen a defendant. She was, she was wielding those grand jury subpoenas 1.00

00:25:08.940 like, like just a wild woman. She was sending grand jury subpoenas for lawyers, the case files 0.99

00:25:15.160 and all kinds of things that I think should have been attorney client privilege. And I still don't

00:25:19.420 know why none of that was really objected to because she was invading the attorney client privilege

00:25:24.840 in the investigation itself. But in any event, back to your original question, before I get too far

00:25:30.900 off, the, the lawyers are making full use of the, what the, of the compulsory process, the right to

00:25:37.980 compel through the subpoena power of the court, uh, to, to compel the production of evidence. And,

00:25:45.120 you know, all they needed is the phone number. And of course, then they have the address and then

00:25:49.420 it's easy to, it's easy to start putting things on a map, plotting it out. Yeah. You triangulate.

00:25:53.680 Yeah. When you have this, you know, he's visiting till five in the morning and then you're close to

00:25:58.660 it or whatever. And then getting the, you know, getting or sending a text message as soon as he

00:26:02.520 gets back home up in East Cobb County, you know, what that does is it smells like somebody saying,

00:26:08.800 Hey, honey, I made it home safe. You know, I love you. Have a good day. I'll talk to you a few hours

00:26:13.500 after I get some sleep. That's the kind of thing that comes to my mind. Absolutely. That's what comes to

00:26:18.320 mind too. Um, now here's the thing I want to play for the audience. Mark Garagos,

00:26:22.920 very famous criminal defense attorney. He comes on our show a lot. And we were talking to him

00:26:27.940 recently about the Brian Kohlberger case. He's the suspect of course, uh, in the quadruple murder

00:26:32.900 out of Idaho. And in that case, as you may know, they use cell phone tower data to figure out whether

00:26:40.380 his car was near the murder site and they believe it was. And this was one of the bases for his arrest.

00:26:46.040 Well, Garagos, who's on the defense side again, has real questions about cell phone tower data.

00:26:53.900 And he explained them on our show. And I had the team pull that slot. So you and I can discuss it.

00:26:58.960 Take a listen.

00:26:59.340 I can't tell you the number of murder cases that have, uh, that have turned out that the cell phone

00:27:07.780 evidence ended up exonerating my client, as opposed to, um, showing that he was guilty.

00:27:14.520 The view I, as I'm sitting right here, I could be using my phone and it could be pinging onto two

00:27:23.160 towers, 12 miles away from each other, just by virtue of the amount of traffic on one of the

00:27:29.620 towers. So I've never been a fan of the cell phone triangulation. It's a good tool to try to get you

00:27:36.520 there, but I've used it to show that somebody was 40 miles away at the time of the crime and

00:27:42.540 exonerated them. So that's not going to, that's not going to get them there.

00:27:47.960 And even in Kohlberger, Brian Kohlberger's cell phone apparently pinged on a tower near the victim's

00:27:54.980 home. I can't remember. It was the day after the day before, but there was one false ping of his

00:28:01.500 phone. So it's not foolproof. And so, you know, are we too far ahead of our skis here?

00:28:07.580 No. So, but here's the thing that house or that condo in Haightville, Georgia, it's not like 12

00:28:14.780 miles. It's, it's a far distance, it's far away. Okay. It's, it's the kind of situation where they

00:28:20.660 can, um, they can claim that, you know, he was at home in, in, in East Cobb County and it just

00:28:26.480 happened to be pinging off of a cell tower down by the airport. That's not going to fly. Not in this

00:28:30.860 case. And, and I still say that there's more that they've got in reserve. There's more ammunition

00:28:36.620 that they've got. So they're waiting. I want to ask about that. Let's, let's talk about that

00:28:40.780 because, uh, and by the way, even if the cell phone tower data is somehow faulty, the number of calls

00:28:46.180 is the number of calls. The number of texts is the number of texts. As I say, they're, they're

00:28:50.320 calling each other, what, 180 times a month. And I'm calling my husband 46. That's weird. And Doug and

00:28:57.500 I talk a lot. I mean, granted we live together, but I'm just saying that that's not, that's, that

00:29:01.960 does not in any way sound like a platonic of relationship to anybody and visiting her for 35

00:29:06.680 times, all this stuff. Okay. Now let's talk about Terrence Bradley. Um, he has filed a brief since

00:29:12.120 you and I last spoke. He was Nathan Wade's friend and divorce lawyer for a small period of time.

00:29:17.300 He's claiming blanket attorney client privilege to get out of any discussions he had with Nathan

00:29:21.400 Wade from 2015 to 2021. When he stopped representing him, he's basically saying six years worth of

00:29:30.980 conversations are privileged because it was all during the divorce proceedings. Okay. It's a six

00:29:36.840 year divorce. He didn't mean file until the day after Fannie hired him November, 2021. And, um, he's

00:29:43.380 just filed a brief with the court saying you shouldn't even do an in-camera review of these

00:29:48.540 privileged discussions, which is supposed to happen this Monday. It's supposed to happen this

00:29:51.380 Monday. Um, you're, you shouldn't even be allowed to talk to Terrence Bradley about the where, when,

00:29:57.120 why, and what, because it's privileged. And so it's not even appropriate for you to hear it as the judge

00:30:02.960 behind closed doors and the defense team, you tell me Phil, but they seem very, very sure that Terrence

00:30:10.020 Bradley has something very, very helpful to say if he's allowed to say it. They are sure. But you know,

00:30:16.680 I give him an A for effort in, in asking the judge not to even look at those things in camera. Uh,

00:30:22.380 the only way for the judge to evaluate it and to make the ruling is to look at it. So that is

00:30:27.240 absolutely not going to fly. The judge is going to look at those text messages and listen, that type

00:30:33.300 of a broad claim of, uh, attorney client privilege. That doesn't work for me either because when your

00:30:38.700 business partners, your friends, you, you work in the same office building, you have conversations and

00:30:44.360 you know, things about each other that are from a different source. They're not based on an attorney

00:30:49.540 client type communication. So that's a little bit overbroad in my view, and I don't think it's going

00:30:54.180 to fly. Do you think that we have seen all the defense has like their best stuff in those text

00:31:00.780 messages? We know that Terrence Bradley exchanged with Ashley merchant, you and I played them a couple

00:31:05.520 days ago where there was at least one in which, um, he, he signed off on the brief saying,

00:31:11.520 looks good. The brief saying that the affair had begun long before 2022, all those things,

00:31:17.280 every, every claim in the defense is basically, he said, yeah, it looks good. And then she texted

00:31:21.080 him saying, is there anybody who would go on the record and give me an affidavit about the affair?

00:31:25.060 And he said something to the effect of no one would burn that bridge. He didn't say there was

00:31:29.500 no affair, but have we sort of seen it all? Do you think, or might there be more, you know,

00:31:34.920 if I'm wrong about this, I'll come back on your show and I'll eat my hat for the world to see,

00:31:39.160 uh, here on YouTube, but, but no, we've not seen the last of this. We're going to see more. I think

00:31:44.920 we might even see all of those texts eventually. Uh, it's going to come out one way or another.

00:31:49.800 I'm convinced of that. Um, and the prosecutor is correct in being very concerned and trying to keep

00:31:56.700 that out because I, from what I've seen, I'm convinced that they, that they have proof that

00:32:02.580 those text messages contain more ironclad proof that there was an affair that lasted or that began

00:32:09.260 before 2022. And, and that would be just more evidence that Fannie Willis has perpetrated a fraud 0.94

00:32:16.080 on the court. And once that is, is established, this case is over. She's over. She could be out

00:32:23.460 of office, but that I think is going to be the death knell for this case.

00:32:27.560 Well, that's the thing. It's just like, I don't know if there's anything stopping Ashley merchant

00:32:32.040 from making those texts public and just showing us maybe the judge can't see them or doesn't want

00:32:38.460 to see them because he thinks that it's a lawyer revealing privilege information, but the lawyer

00:32:43.300 did it. I don't think she's under any, any ethical obligation not to tell us what's in there. And I

00:32:49.940 agree with you at some point in some way, we're going to find out what's in there. And if what's in

00:32:53.900 there is Terrence Bradley saying it began way back whenever, he doesn't want me to tell you who

00:32:59.500 knows what's in there. She can't, she might be able to keep it out of evidence. She might even be able

00:33:03.860 to save herself with this judge in this proceeding, but we'll find out eventually. And she'll be

00:33:08.100 embarrassed and somebody will just renew the motion in front of this judge. Like the truth is the truth.

00:33:12.900 We're going to find it one way or another. Are we not Phil?

00:33:15.340 The truth will out. That's what my mother used to tell me. And she's not wrong about that one way or

00:33:19.800 another. The contents of those text messages will be revealed of that. I am very, very confident.

00:33:25.660 And I look forward to speaking with you again, once we have them, because they're going to be

00:33:29.420 something to behold. I'm sure. Bill Holloway, thank you so much for coming on and pinch hitting for us

00:33:35.220 here on Friday afternoon. Things are always breaking in this case on Friday. Now I got to go to CPAC and

00:33:39.700 do my other thing. So thank you all the best. And we'll to be continued next week. I'm sure.

00:33:44.000 Yep. Have fun. Thanks for having me. Thank you guys for listening. Talk soon.

00:33:49.800 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 23, 2024

BREAKING： Bombshell New Phone Evidence Shows Fani Willis and Nathan Wade May Have Lied Under Oath, with Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 730

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