The Megyn Kelly Show - Breaking： Impeachment Inquiry Into Biden's Corruption Begins, with Glenn Beck and Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 625

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It is Tuesday and there is big news.

00:00:18.300 Before we get to it, I want to remind you that tomorrow I will be sitting down with former President Donald Trump

00:00:23.040 in an interview that we will air on Thursday, the 14th. So don't forget to tune into that.

00:00:30.520 But now we begin with the breaking news about the current sitting President of the United States.

00:00:36.420 Moments ago, Speaker Kevin McCarthy announcing the House of Representatives will be opening

00:00:42.360 a formal impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden. Here he is just moments ago.

00:00:48.280 I am directing our House committee to open a formal impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden.

00:00:56.780 This logical next step will give our committees the full power to gather all the facts and answers for

00:01:04.960 the American public. It's exactly what we want to know. The answers. I believe the president would

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00:02:39.260 Joining me now, the host of the Glenn Beck program on Blaze TV, as well as my neighbor here on SiriusXM

00:02:45.380 Triumph Channel 111, and that is Glenn Beck. Glenn, this is huge news. It just is. And just to set the

00:02:52.980 stage, McCarthy had been under significant pressure by a certain wing of his party, sort of the Matt

00:03:01.280 Gates wing to do this. But even more so-called traditional Republicans have backed it and thought

00:03:10.160 it's time. I mean, I read a scathing editorial in National Review, which I think you could fairly refer to

00:03:15.360 as establishment type Republicans, completely supporting this, completely supporting this.

00:03:20.720 It's being dismissed already by the White House as partisan, by the left in the House and elsewhere

00:03:27.880 as, you know, there's no new, there's no evidence and there's no new news. So what's he doing? It's

00:03:33.900 not an actual impeachment. It's an inquiry into whether they should conduct impeachment proceedings.

00:03:39.720 Was it the right move? Oh, yeah, I think it absolutely is. I'd be interested in hearing if I,

00:03:47.140 if you were a prosecutor and I was your underling and I came in with the evidence that we already

00:03:54.440 have. Would you say, oh, this is a pretty easy case, or would you say, well, there's not a lot

00:04:02.280 there? Because I think as an average person, not knowing the law and everything else, not knowing

00:04:06.780 how these things really flesh out, I think there's an overwhelming amount of evidence now

00:04:12.600 that shows that this is really a crooked family. Yeah, I agree with that. I completely agree with

00:04:21.320 you. I don't think they've proven crime, but they don't necessarily have to. I think they've proven

00:04:27.980 already without having the full subpoena power to be able to get all the bank records, which we'll get

00:04:32.860 to in a second, that they are corrupt, that at a minimum, and I've said this for weeks now, at a

00:04:38.620 minimum, Joe Biden knew that his son Hunter was influenced peddling on that Burisma board in

00:04:43.720 Ukraine, cashing checks as a result of his relationship to Joe Biden. Joe Biden allowed

00:04:49.180 at a minimum, but it's beyond the minimum, the appearance of impropriety for well over a year

00:04:56.400 as his son became a millionaire on the Ukrainian dime. And then without any pause, given the

00:05:04.420 relationship that his son had forged with this Burisma board in Ukraine, he went over there

00:05:08.920 and fired the guy investigating that Burisma board president without any pause, as if that's the

00:05:14.200 best. I just laid out the best case scenario for Joe Biden. Yeah, the best. That's no corruption

00:05:20.860 necessarily on his side. That's just him, you know, stumbling into those things. I guess you could say

00:05:28.100 there's, there's no way that happened. Yeah. Irresponsible. And that is the best scenario.

00:05:33.860 But we know that what, I mean, I think there's a few things that are really incriminating. And I

00:05:40.020 can't remember, is it, was it Charles Schwab or, or Morgan Stanley, it was Morgan Stanley that the vice

00:05:47.040 president came out and said of Morgan Stanley came out and said, uh, it looked, this looks bad. This

00:05:51.760 looks like money laundering and we should not be involved in this. Uh, and then he kicked it up to the

00:05:57.180 board. Then he went later and kicked it to the FBI. And I think the treasury, I mean, you have people

00:06:05.340 that were on the outside with no political anything to grind, uh, just people that are doing business

00:06:13.140 coming out and saying, this looks really bad. You have, I think 72, uh, yellow flags that were, were sent

00:06:21.000 to the treasury from 12 different banks saying, this looks like money laundering here. You have,

00:06:27.180 the entire family setting up shell corporations. I mean, when you look at the shell corporations

00:06:32.160 alone, I don't have a shell corporation. I don't know what you would do with a shell corporation.

00:06:37.660 If you were, if you were clean, but tell me how the family, every member of the family is what an

00:06:47.060 energy expert. What is the business behind each one of those shell companies for every member of the

00:06:56.200 family that there's no way there's just no way it's, it's not this hard.

00:07:03.460 That's right. So you've got Nancy Mace who she was on CNN last night talking about one of the reasons 0.57

00:07:10.080 why she would support this again, Nancy Mace, that is not Matt Gates. Nancy Mace is a very moderate

00:07:16.960 Republican who has not been shy about criticizing president Trump, uh, about potentially working

00:07:23.520 across the aisle. This is Nancy Mace who we all remember freaked out after she saw that FBI form

00:07:30.660 that had been kept hidden for so long saying it very much looks like the Biden's accepted a bribe.

00:07:36.160 And this is one of the things that they're going to investigate. That's, I mean, now we're in worst

00:07:39.500 case scenario. If that FBI form turns out to be true, um, and they find the financial records of it,

00:07:44.900 but they don't have to, they don't have to do that. But here she is last night talking about why

00:07:49.400 she's in favor of what McCarthy's about to do. There's a difference between an impeachment vote

00:07:54.140 and an inquiry. The inquiry would give us another tool in the toolbox specifically to look at Joe

00:07:59.960 Biden's bank records. Everyone's screaming about the evidence. Where's the evidence? The bank records

00:08:04.620 hold all of the evidence. And if the American people, Caitlin, if you could see the suspicious

00:08:09.460 activity reports that I have seen on the Biden family, you would too would probably support an

00:08:14.520 impeachment inquiry. We can't share the SARS reports because they're confidential and that would be

00:08:18.460 against the law. So we have to prove it via the other means, via the bank records. For example,

00:08:22.800 if that gets us Joe Biden's bank records, and I'm going to support it, kind of money that was

00:08:26.840 involved in these schemes is astounding. You would be shocked. It would, you would blush, Caitlin,

00:08:32.060 if you knew, if you'd seen what I had seen. Okay. I'm going to get you to respond to that, Glenn.

00:08:36.920 But if you watch the whole interview, all Caitlin Collins does, who, you know, she used to work for

00:08:40.420 the Daily Caller. What happened to her natural sense of inquiry on something like this? All she did was say,

00:08:46.640 what's your new evidence? What's the evidence? There's nothing new. There's nothing new.

00:08:50.940 What kind of reporter doesn't say, I see what you're telling me. There's smoke and you want to

00:08:55.760 figure out whether there's fire. You're trying to tell me that the things you've seen that I'm not

00:09:00.220 allowed to see because they're confidential. Have you deeply alarmed? Probe a little on a scale of one

00:09:05.260 to 10. How alarmed are you? Was it one report or was it multiple? Like help us dig to figure out why

00:09:10.960 Nancy Mace, who's not a fire breather, is clearly animated about this and 100% wants the inquiry to 0.75

00:09:17.780 begin? You know, the, the other thing is, is look how they took Adam Schiff. Look how they took

00:09:22.700 everything and said, this, this is the one that's going to bring him down. This is the one that's

00:09:26.860 going to bring Donald Trump down. Uh, the most investigated, I am shocked that Donald, that

00:09:34.040 there's, there's, there's really, there's no, he built buildings really fast. You know, this Megan,

00:09:40.400 he, he built like four huge hotels on the, uh, on the West side highway at the time it took, uh, the,

00:09:50.140 the city to make one sanitation building. Okay. He built like five and a highway underneath it.

00:09:56.680 And I thought to myself, there's gotta be, I mean, he's a Vinny. Hey, you gotta move this a little

00:10:03.000 bit. None of that. He's this investigated. You can't find anything on him. And yet every single

00:10:12.020 thing they said turns out to not be true or an exaggeration. And the press here is saying all the

00:10:20.680 time. What's new. I don't know all of it. Remember you guys said none of it was real. Well, let's just

00:10:28.680 start there. It apparently is all real. Now what's in it. You have no curiosity. I can't believe the,

00:10:38.460 the lack of, do you remember? Um, well, I shouldn't say who this was. Uh, there was a, uh, there was an

00:10:47.740 anchor when I was at CNN and, uh, Anna Nicole Smith had died. And I think that's who it was.

00:10:55.740 And, you know, she was an alcoholic by the way, just literally the highest rated story in television 0.93

00:11:01.260 history, at least during my time on cable. I don't remember a story that rated higher than Anna

00:11:06.780 Nicole Smith passing. So I'm over at CNN. And of course, when an alcoholic has, you know,

00:11:13.980 the flu at CNN called Glenn, he's a washed up bum. And so, uh, she's doing this story and she's asking

00:11:22.940 me about alcoholism. And I'm like, there's nothing you can do to save an alcoholic that doesn't want

00:11:27.720 to be saved. If they don't, if they haven't made the internal switch, it's not going to happen.

00:11:32.580 And I just, I remember just looking at her eyes were just like glazed over. I could tell she did not

00:11:38.120 care until I said my mother killed herself. She was addicted to prescription medication. 1.00

00:11:47.640 All of a sudden I just saw, Oh wait, I might be able to make him cry. I have something on the,

00:11:55.080 there was no, it was, it was not honest at all. It was just about doing, uh, you know,

00:12:03.840 what you're supposed to do and act like you care. I cannot believe how many people in media

00:12:11.140 that just don't care, actually care about any of this. It's our country. It's your children's future

00:12:19.160 on the line and they don't care. I don't understand it. I really don't Megan.

00:12:25.660 And it's not just the media. Okay. So clearly CNN and there's supposedly, you know, more right

00:12:32.000 leaning host, or at least with the background of the daily caller that was, you know, that was

00:12:36.980 disproven during her Trump town hall. But I mean the, the lack of curiosity, um, it's not just the

00:12:42.800 media. It's even some Republicans now listen to the early reaction out of the Senate, which is the

00:12:49.960 body in which if Joe Biden were impeached, they would have to have the trial. Remember the impeachment

00:12:55.420 is like indictment. And then the trial takes place in the Senate and you're found guilty or innocent

00:13:00.060 or not guilty or not guilty. Okay. So here's, I know you're not going to be surprised, but here

00:13:05.620 we go. Senator John Cornyn. Um, I'm sure his is coming any second. John Cornyn, Republican from

00:13:11.980 Texas. It really comes down to how do you prioritize your time? I don't know of anybody who believes

00:13:17.800 that Chuck Schumer, who's the leader of the Dems over in the Senate, will take it up and actually

00:13:22.840 have a trial and convict a sitting president and goes on to say, um, then here's, wait, wait, wait,

00:13:28.580 what does it take Cornyn? I mean, we have just, just take this, for example, all of this, half of

00:13:40.380 this corruption happened in Ukraine. We are currently sending, we might as well make sure that they're all 1.00

00:13:49.200 in twenties and unmarked and, you know, no, no, you know, no serial numbers in order. We're sending

00:13:56.980 billions over to Ukraine and nobody's watching it. I mean, these, the, just the, the dumbest 1.00

00:14:06.060 person in the room, do you actually believe that all of that is going to fight the war?

00:14:14.160 Do you believe 60% of it? Do you believe 40% of it is going to fight the war or is it lining the

00:14:22.160 pockets? We are now sending that money over. That is where this corruption that we're talking about

00:14:28.340 with Burisma happened with the same people in charge on both sides. And it could end in World War

00:14:38.600 3 and nuclear weapons. I don't know. I think this is pretty important. Oh, by the way, the rest of the

00:14:47.380 corruption happened in China, who, if we do go to war, we'll take Taiwan and wipe us. Are you, 0.93

00:14:56.040 I don't understand how, I mean, this isn't the Clintons in Haiti, which was bad enough.

00:15:02.880 Hello, this is leading us into really bad places. It shows, first of all, on Ukraine. We mentioned

00:15:11.780 this the other day and I'm sure you guys talked about it, but they, you know, Zelensky just had

00:15:14.960 to fire his defense minister for corruption. So it's to this day, they're taking our $60 billion

00:15:20.360 and giving it to God knows whom for who knows what. And we're supposed to be over here just

00:15:25.060 waving our Ukrainian flags saying, go, go, go, go. And you notice that wasn't made into a big deal

00:15:31.740 here. What, whose money are they? We're paying for their social security. They have no money.

00:15:38.660 Yeah. When, when, when we are sending money over there, it it's supposed to go to the defense

00:15:45.620 department and they just, they're not, it's not like they have a lot. They're taking our money and

00:15:51.160 he's dismissed for corruption with whose money. How come nobody cared here?

00:15:57.100 No, this is one of the, this is one of the questions. So if Joe Biden's been compromised

00:16:01.060 in some way, if they actually did pay him a $10 million bribe, and there are people right now in

00:16:05.880 Ukraine who know that and can prove that, what position is he in as the, I mean, we thought he

00:16:10.900 was in charge of Ukraine policy when his VP, how about now, now that he's the president, he's really

00:16:15.560 in charge of Ukraine policy. Nobody wants to look into it. Cornyn, Rubio came out and said,

00:16:20.860 attempting to impeach a sitting president should generally be avoided for the interest of the

00:16:24.080 country. It can't become routine. Well, of course, but these guys don't understand how to fight Glenn.

00:16:30.700 Do you think the Democrats thought that they were going to get Trump when he had a Republican Senate,

00:16:35.840 when they impeached him not once, but twice, they almost got him in the second one. They knew they

00:16:40.100 weren't going to get him. They tried. They wanted to make a point. The Republicans are,

00:16:44.420 they weren't rolling over before the fight even begins.

00:16:46.640 But I don't want to make a point. This is every impeachment that I've gone through in my lifetime.

00:16:54.380 I remember Nixon. I was really small, but I remember Nixon. Crime, crime, Clinton, crime of

00:17:03.000 perjury. Does that rise high enough? You know, the president shouldn't lie. Well, we've we've settled

00:17:10.540 that one. Then the Trump stuff that wasn't. This is high crimes. This is the president taking bribes

00:17:21.940 from our enemies and doing business with really corrupt people using our banking system the way

00:17:31.740 terrorists use our banking system. Remember, we spent all that time making sure that we monitor

00:17:38.460 everything. And our president said we want to make sure people are paying taxes. That's why we have

00:17:43.460 to have 80 million dollars. And we're going to look at everybody who's, you know, making a withdrawal

00:17:48.340 $600. Really? You're using this to why we have all of this terrorist apparatus around our country to

00:18:01.440 protect us from really bad guys. And that's the way you're doing business. This is not about

00:18:08.300 making a point. In fact, if if Joe Biden dropped dead today, I still would be for finishing this

00:18:18.740 investigation and then taking a stand legally on it. This is corruption at the highest level.

00:18:27.080 If this isn't stopped, what do you think the next group of people will do?

00:18:32.140 Hmm. Well, I mean, one would like to believe we might find somebody with a little bit more

00:18:38.040 tethered, who's a little bit more tethered to the ethics. I remember when I was young and naive, too.

00:18:45.280 Listen, as you point out, for all of President Trump's problems, they didn't come close to

00:18:50.380 looking like this. Yes, Jared Kushner got a great deal with a investment fund with the Saudis after he

00:18:56.840 left after Trump left office. And now he's not going to be in the government if Trump goes back

00:19:02.600 into the office. That is not the same. This is an allegation that nope, while the sitting vice

00:19:08.080 president, Joe Biden took money or at a minimum understood that his son was in a position to

00:19:15.060 bargain for himself and his own money. And the quid pro quo in this was Joe Biden's policy changes

00:19:22.320 on behalf of the United States. Here's Chris Christie, who's running for president,

00:19:27.960 just in case you forgot, as a Republican, on warning Joe in anticipation of this announcement.

00:19:35.640 I don't see evidence yet that would support impeaching Joe Biden. And I think we're cheapening

00:19:42.220 impeachment by doing that kind of thing. Oh, my God. Criticize Democrats for doing that over the

00:19:47.200 Ukraine issue a number of years ago on impeachment. And I don't want my party to fall a victim to the

00:19:53.120 same thing. But I do think it's important for it to be investigated because there are too many

00:19:58.760 connections now, too many inconsistencies in the president's story and what he has said and what

00:20:04.040 others have said who are apparently witnesses to his participation in helping Hunter Biden with his

00:20:09.560 business. So we need to know the facts on that. And then we can make an intelligent decision

00:20:13.960 about whether the facts exist to move forward to something more serious.

00:20:18.280 Oh, that that that's exactly what they're doing.

00:20:22.080 But that's what they're doing. They're not impeaching him today.

00:20:25.420 They are putting it together in inquiry to find all of the facts. So I don't know what your point is

00:20:30.880 to me, which steps up their subpoena power, which may which, as Nancy May said, which steps.

00:20:36.560 It is one thing to be pursuing a legislative interest. The Wall Street Journal had an editorial on this

00:20:40.840 today to be pursuing a legislative interest and drop subpoenas on banks.

00:20:45.220 They will not always comply. Your ability to go into court and to force them to comply is not as

00:20:50.640 strong as it would be in the context of an impeachment inquiry at which Congress's subpoena

00:20:56.860 power is at its apex. So it is no. And by the way, the Biden administration has been stonewalling

00:21:02.960 this inquiry from the beginning. So how is it a response by them or their defenders to say

00:21:07.420 there's no evidence you've been preventing it? You have been the opposite of an open book.

00:21:12.820 Go ahead, Glenn. I, you know, I know that when I was doing the Trump impeachment, I entered that

00:21:22.000 when they first impeached him, impeached him. I went to my staff and I said, OK, let the cards

00:21:27.680 fall where they may. Let's find out what the heck is going on. Everything we can. And I really thought

00:21:35.060 maybe there is something, you know, with him in Russia or whatever. And I would be willing to

00:21:41.620 expose it because I don't want my president, you know, being on the take. What we found was this

00:21:48.260 corruption of Biden and the entire left was involved. Let's not forget Tony Podesta and everybody else that

00:21:56.400 was involved in this. It is a big, wide game. And I remember and I can't remember exactly if it's 72,

00:22:06.880 but I think it's 72 yellow tickets, which banks send out to the Treasury to say you should investigate

00:22:16.540 this. 72 times the Treasury Department was warned. This looks like money laundering. And we tracked back

00:22:27.980 what we could. It is. And then we showed how you money launder, where you money launder, what banks

00:22:35.220 you would use, what are the notorious banks, what are the notorious areas in the world? And they all

00:22:41.020 matched up. Now, that's quite a coincidence. 72 warnings is pretty darn high for nobody to do an

00:22:50.600 investigation. You know what else? Go ahead. And as somebody who, you know, you talk about openly

00:22:57.560 having a family history of addiction. Not only did Joe Biden let Hunter Biden sit on that Burisma board

00:23:03.700 for a million dollars a year while Joe was running Ukraine corruption policy. So that's period. That's

00:23:10.260 enough. Period. Right there. But not only did he do that, he did it at a time when we now know from

00:23:15.100 Hunter's book and his court appearances recently in which he had to detail the details or the specifics

00:23:19.920 of his addiction. He was actively in and out of inpatient rehab, failing, snorting cocaine off of

00:23:28.340 everything he could get his hands on, smoking crack. Joe Biden knew. He knew that that son was the one

00:23:35.980 who was on the Burisma board, Glenn. And I mean, to pretend that this was an appropriate decision

00:23:41.580 in any cleanest version of the Bidens is to deny the reality staring you in the face.

00:23:48.740 Well, first of all, you as a dad would know your son has no experience in gas and oil. So you would

00:23:55.500 question immediately. But the thing that struck me as I was doing our investigation into Kola Moiski,

00:24:01.300 who is the oligarch, who's just been kicked out, but was one of the instruments that was used to

00:24:11.520 elect the current president, Zelensky, but also was the guy who had Privat Bank, where that's the bank

00:24:19.500 that lost seven billion dollars of U.S. money, just lost. We don't know where it is. No investigation,

00:24:26.160 just lost it. This guy is also known as such a bad dude. He beheads anyone who gets in his way.

00:24:35.220 He is. If you think Putin is bad, I'd like to introduce you to Kola Moiski now. And when I

00:24:41.840 when I did my homework on Kola Moiski, I'm looking at this as a dad. And I would immediately be calling

00:24:49.300 my son, especially if I knew my son had problems and saying, hon, please come home, come home,

00:24:55.500 come home, come home. You do not know what you're dealing with. This guy is is Al Capone.

00:25:02.920 And we've romanticized Al Capone. He's a cold blooded killer and thug. No way. A loving dad

00:25:13.800 sends his son who's having problem problems into a job he's not qualified for

00:25:20.100 into a foreign country that is known for corruption, where you have easy access to crack 0.82

00:25:28.480 and hookers and everything else. I don't do that as a dad just because I love my son. I don't do that

00:25:34.540 as a as a vice president, because I know my son will most likely get into a situation where it'll

00:25:41.220 be used against me. I'll be blackmailed because of what my son might be doing. There's no logic to

00:25:48.480 this at all. When you say, you know, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. No reasonable person

00:25:55.700 would do these things to their son if they were struggling. You look at the laptop, which was fake.

00:26:03.780 Now it's not. But now nobody cares. When you look at the laptop, what he wrote to his family about dad

00:26:11.360 and how I have to carry the family and dad makes me take 50 percent and give it to him.

00:26:19.700 He is. I read a story yesterday that said no matter how dicey things get, Joe Biden is keeping Hunter Biden

00:26:30.880 close at hand. It shows the father's love. Are you kidding me? He's keeping him close at hand because

00:26:40.360 that guy can go off the reservation at any time and has reason to go off the reservation. If he thinks

00:26:47.920 dad is going to let him, you know, take a hit for what he's done for the family, dad's sorely mistaken.

00:26:56.420 And dad knows that. That's why Hunter is by his side all the time right now.

00:27:03.420 Alan Dershowitz, who's on the program yesterday, he clerked when he was a young and he's such a

00:27:09.060 treasure. He clerked when he was a young and for Justice Goldberg on the U.S. Supreme Court. This

00:27:14.060 is back 63 to 64. And he told a story one time. It's a great story. And this is the law community in

00:27:21.820 which I grew up to never clerk for the Supreme Court. But this is the way lawyers are in which

00:27:27.560 someone, a corporation or an individual sent a basket of fruit to the justice's office. And Alan,

00:27:35.940 as a young law clerk, had a banana. And the justice came out and said, what's that? What is that basket

00:27:42.000 of fruit? And somebody said, oh, it was sent to us by such and such, some corporation. And he said,

00:27:48.080 why is it open? And Alan said, I had a banana. The justice said, you go out down the street,

00:27:56.040 you get a banana, you put that banana back in that fruit bouquet, and you send that bouquet right back

00:28:03.300 to the sender immediately, immediately, because we cannot even have the appearance of propriety,

00:28:11.920 of impropriety. You cannot even have the appearance of influence peddling like that from

00:28:16.280 a corporation who could potentially be in front of the US Supreme Court trying to buy influence

00:28:20.940 with a justice here. A banana. And this, you've got the sitting vice president allowing his son to

00:28:28.280 collect a million bucks a year just for sitting on a board to which he offered zero expertise. And by

00:28:35.180 the way, that son's a lawyer too. And by the way, I believe it is four different federal agencies

00:28:43.600 came to the White House vice presidential office and said, this is the at least the appearance of

00:28:53.760 impropriety. You cannot have it. So it wasn't like everybody was blind. People in the administration and

00:29:01.360 in other agencies, getting yellow tags, everything else, they're going and saying, look, this just even

00:29:08.000 looks really bad. Stop doing this. And they didn't. Why?

00:29:12.980 Glenn, the State Department had a plan before Biden went over there and fired and called for the firing

00:29:19.340 of this prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. They had a plan that did not include calling for

00:29:23.780 the firing of this guy. It was all set. It had been approved. That change came from Joe Biden's office.

00:29:29.720 And there was surprise expressed within state. Why is that? How did this get changed? Here's my question

00:29:34.580 for you, given all that we've just discussed, which is only scratching the surface of the Joe Biden,

00:29:39.020 Hunter Biden story. What about Barack Obama? Where's he? He's been awfully silent. This is his

00:29:44.840 administration. You know damn well he knew he fully knew what Hunter Biden was doing. You know,

00:29:49.960 if your vice president's son is sitting on the Ukrainian board, you guys are pushing to have

00:29:55.080 investigated. So not only Barack Obama involved, Clinton is involved. Soros is involved. This

00:30:02.360 Podesta's are involved. All of this is this is the elite of the of the Democratic Guard. All of them

00:30:12.700 were involved. All of them knew it. And that's not even getting to people like Nuland, who is a neocon,

00:30:20.800 who who orchestrated. We trained people. Our State Department trained people to overthrow the sitting

00:30:30.900 government under Hillary. I mean, what? Americans don't have any idea what is being done all around 0.93

00:30:40.900 the the world in their name. You know, when when we were trying to figure out on September 11th,

00:30:46.960 why do they hate us so much? Oh, well, this is one reason we go and we say one thing and we do the

00:30:54.920 other. And we're just the dopes that are like, well, I don't want to pay attention to all of that.

00:30:59.900 They're doing it in our name. The reason why people hate us now all over the world is because

00:31:06.360 we've been corrupt for a long time. We are not doing things in the best interest of their countries,

00:31:14.960 not sometimes in the best interest of our country. We are arrogant and

00:31:21.180 and and and immoral many, many times. Just I mean, I look I for one, I listen to Barack Obama

00:31:31.140 every two months, pop his head up and lecture us about how we need more censorship. And our national

00:31:36.160 conversation has gotten dangerous. What role did you play, sir, in unleashing the danger we're now

00:31:41.960 dealing with? The possibility of World War Three as we through proxies stare down Russia in a possible 0.88

00:31:47.660 nuclear war. Yes. What role did you play both with your administration's policy and by letting

00:31:52.480 this kind of corruption go without so much as a boo from you? You allowed it. This is your

00:31:58.300 administration. He's the guy at the top. The buck stops with him. Let me play some more reaction

00:32:02.920 coming in. This one, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democratic Congresswoman of Florida, please.

00:32:09.900 Kevin McCarthy and House Republicans, particularly the extreme, extreme MAGA wing of his caucus

00:32:15.560 are essentially just an arm of the Trump campaign. That's that's what this is all about.

00:32:21.060 They are succumbing to the pressure from Donald Trump and from their right wing MAGA base. And

00:32:28.240 they're allowing Donald Trump to hold our economy hostage. They are allowing they are giving in to

00:32:36.360 their extreme MAGA wing and they will potentially likely crash our economy all while engaging in

00:32:44.880 any that they are afraid. They know they have nothing there. You see what she's doing. Oh, yes.

00:32:54.840 How about all of our Democratic problems go into this convenient bucket? This bucket is now going

00:33:02.100 to be blamed for everything we've done. Think of this, Megan. Gosh, Bidenomics. Have you thought

00:33:09.720 who the hell in the Democratic Party said, let's name this Bidenomics? They're proud of that.

00:33:17.520 They're trying to do the Obamacare trick, which works for him. It's not going to work here.

00:33:21.880 It's not working unless unless you can now start blaming everything on the GOP like Obama did.

00:33:29.880 You can blame all of it. We're at war. We you know what? We we have we have no more ammunition

00:33:36.200 because the DOD was didn't get its didn't get its bill because they hate women so much and they 1.00

00:33:43.660 hate black people and and and and gay people and lesbians and transgender and that person over 1.00

00:33:51.040 there named Mike. They really hate Mike's as well. You can you can see the emergencies that could come

00:33:58.900 up. I personally don't think that I maybe it's hope. I think this case is so open and shut.

00:34:13.660 I mean, if somebody can just tell the story on the national scale in Congress in a, you know,

00:34:25.380 in a televised package, if people are watching it and there's got to be the glove, if it doesn't fit,

00:34:33.760 you must acquit. There's always one thing that is the tipping point. I don't know what that one

00:34:39.280 thing is yet for the American people. But when the American people focus on this, I think everything

00:34:46.240 will change. And I think there's a very good possibility. I mean, I think this is really why

00:34:51.460 Joe Biden was the guy. He's old. He doesn't know what he's going what's going on. We'll just tell him

00:34:56.680 what to do. You know, we'll tell him, hey, you're going to be the new FDR. Everybody's going to love you

00:35:01.860 and he'll just do it. And he's expendable because at some point, if he becomes a liability,

00:35:08.080 we have this, we have his age, whatever. And then we have Kamala. Does anybody want?

00:35:13.820 I was going to say, yeah, it doesn't end well for the Democrats.

00:35:17.560 No, yes, exactly. And you don't want to put somebody in vice president. So what do we do?

00:35:23.960 We put Kamala Harris in there. Kamala Harris, she's going to pardon the president, just like 1.00

00:35:30.220 Ford did. We're done with her, too. I mean, all he has to do is make it to like six months before

00:35:37.540 and he can resign or whatever. He just needs to make it almost there. So then we have an open slate

00:35:45.680 and we can get somebody who's good and different and young and not. He doesn't even need to go out

00:35:51.560 in that sort of a, you know, disgraceful moment. He could bail out. I don't think the Democrats want

00:35:57.760 to disgrace him. They just may be looking at no alternative. But wait, I want to say two things

00:36:01.680 about what you just said. Number one, you may be right that if the American people hear this

00:36:06.480 laid out clearly, they'll be persuaded. The one thing that the Republicans have going for them

00:36:11.380 is Joe Biden's popularity is very low. Two thirds of Democrats, Democrats do not think he should be

00:36:17.900 the nominee. So the country's not behind him. There's not he's not like Barack Obama was where

00:36:22.900 he's totally beloved by his own party. He's very vulnerable. That's one. I think 35 percent of his

00:36:29.540 own party think that now think that there is corruption, that he might have done something

00:36:35.020 illegal. That's astounding. That's a part that's separate and apart from the age and infirmity

00:36:41.140 concerns we have. So that's the thing that Republicans have going against them, among other things,

00:36:46.540 is it's hard to understand Ukraine. It is. It doesn't. It's not easy to wrap up in a package.

00:36:53.040 You start saying, you know, that you talk about the guy who he was dealing with on the Burisma

00:36:57.900 board. I'm looking at it right now. I even I have to look at it. It's Lochevsky, not to be 0.99

00:37:02.820 confused with Zelensky, who's the president of Ukraine. Burisma. What's that? Hunter Biden did

00:37:07.660 what? There was a bribe. Oh, wait, there wasn't a bribe. How much money was he getting? Who? A

00:37:12.100 prosecutor got fired. But there were other reasons to fire him. So but like already I'm lost. It's

00:37:17.820 it's not easy to explain. And, you know, Roger Ailes used to say, if you can't pitch it in two

00:37:23.380 sentences, it's not a TV story. Well, here it is. This is here's the pitch. Not a TV story for most

00:37:28.040 media outlets. Here's the pitch. None of the Bidens, all nine of them that have the offshore

00:37:36.160 accounts received money from oil and gas. Those companies did nothing for that money. And that

00:37:43.460 money went to the family and then went to Biden. Now, just just there. What what's happening? I

00:37:51.500 don't you don't need to know that, you know, Kolomoisky and Zelensky and you don't need to

00:37:56.900 know all of that stuff. You just need the American people to understand lots and lots of money,

00:38:03.760 millions of dollars were funneled to each member of his family in an offshore account that each of

00:38:11.180 them had. So you're expected to believe that every member of his family was providing some service for

00:38:19.380 an oil and gas company where in Ukraine, by the way, by the way, Hunter Biden was specifically asked

00:38:26.400 by that smart judge in Delaware who's who caught on to the fact that they were trying to pull a fast

00:38:31.320 one on her and give him immunity for everything without really disclosing it. She asked him at

00:38:36.580 the hearing, were you providing legal advice to these companies? Right. Because he actually tried

00:38:44.500 to claim that and to go back and read the transcript of him trying to wiggle because now he's talking to

00:38:50.320 the judge. He's not talking to you or me or media or his book publisher. He's talking to the judge

00:38:55.600 and you got to see him dance. Well, I think I think I mean, it's potentially I mean, it's it's one of the

00:39:01.700 many thing. I mean, it's clearly a lie for the very reasons you're stating. I want to get another

00:39:06.740 reaction to you. It's Senator John Fetterman has thoughts on. He has thoughts. Take a listen.

00:39:16.860 I asked you about this news that Speaker McCarthy has formally launched an impeachment

00:39:21.600 in or has said he's going to. Oh, my God. Really? Oh, my gosh. You know, oh, it's devastating.

00:39:29.780 Don't do it. Please don't do it. Oh, no. Oh, no.

00:39:35.720 Now, please, let's get him to stop talking. Please stop. Could you also address appropriately?

00:39:40.740 Could you please just address appropriately for the U.S. Senate? You're an embarrassment. Keep going. 0.89

00:39:46.480 Just I can't just, you know, this says something completely off subject.

00:39:51.600 This says something about the the way our country is run. You don't think there's a deep state.

00:39:59.100 How come people who are having seizures? I don't care. It wasn't dehydration.

00:40:06.500 He's having some sort of, you know, petite mall seizure or something neurological is happening

00:40:11.720 with the Speaker of the of the Senate or the McConnell. Then you you have what?

00:40:18.680 Two senators now can't really string things together. Can't doesn't even one of them from California

00:40:24.960 doesn't even know where she is. Then you you have the president. This is a system where they just they

00:40:32.460 don't care if you can think they just need a warm body to say yay or nay. That should disturb

00:40:40.200 people because they're supposed to answer to you, but they're so out of touch with everything.

00:40:48.260 They are so mentally impaired that they can't answer to you. They can't listen to you. They have to listen

00:40:58.520 to the person that's standing behind him. Just vote. Yes. Just just say yay. Just say yay.

00:41:03.140 That's it's a machine happening. Stand by going to take a quick break more with Glenn Beck right after

00:41:10.700 this. There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of

00:41:19.260 is a Russian plan. They have said that this is has all the care for five former heads of the CIA.

00:41:26.460 Both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except them his and

00:41:33.460 his good friend Rudy Johnny. You mean the laptop is now another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?

00:41:39.180 That's exactly what this is. Exactly what this is. Remember that? So convenient. And now we know

00:41:47.400 that the laptop, of course, was real, which we knew back then, which the FBI, his FBI soon to be would

00:41:55.420 know back then. And yet he misled and never corrected the record. Welcome back to the Megyn

00:42:00.920 Kelly show here with me now. Glenn Beck hosted the Glenn Beck program on blaze TV. That wasn't the

00:42:05.560 only lie he told during the presidential debates. Here's another one just at random where Trump was

00:42:12.820 accusing Hunter Biden of taking money inappropriately from China, from this Moscow mayor who gave him

00:42:19.520 the wife of the Moscow mayor, the widow, gave him $3.5 million, Hunter and Devin Archer. That's

00:42:24.800 happened. Trump knew it. He raised it. Listen to this.

00:42:27.560 Why is it? Just out of curiosity, the mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son $3.5 million.

00:42:35.620 What did he do to deserve it? What did he do with Barista to deserve $183,000?

00:42:41.960 None of that is true. None of that is true.

00:42:45.280 Oh, really? He didn't get $3.5 million?

00:42:46.680 Mr. President, please.

00:42:49.300 Totally discredited. Totally discredited. And by the way.

00:42:52.720 Well, wait, he didn't get $3.5 million, Joe? He got $3.5 million.

00:42:57.500 That is not true. Oh, really?

00:42:59.100 Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please.

00:43:03.220 It's a fact.

00:43:04.340 Well, you have raised an issue. Let the vice president answer.

00:43:08.480 Did Barista pay him $183,000 a month with no experience in energy?

00:43:14.080 Mr. President, my son did nothing wrong at Barista.

00:43:17.120 I think he did.

00:43:17.820 Mr. President, let him answer. You'll get the final word, Mr. President.

00:43:21.280 Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown.

00:43:23.640 It's a very important question.

00:43:24.720 Try to be honest.

00:43:25.180 He stood up.

00:43:26.260 No, the answer to the question is no.

00:43:28.800 And he threatened Ukraine.

00:43:29.420 No, sir.

00:43:30.360 With a billion dollars, if you're absolutely not true.

00:43:34.600 You're going to have it.

00:43:36.000 Not true.

00:43:36.600 Gentlemen.

00:43:38.540 My God, how annoying was Chris Wallace?

00:43:40.560 Trump was onto something.

00:43:41.800 It was an important thread.

00:43:44.340 And Chris Wallace went, shut up.

00:43:46.040 Shut up. 0.95

00:43:46.840 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:43:48.760 Let them mix it up.

00:43:50.060 That's TV gold.

00:43:51.780 Never mind important to the actual presidential selection.

00:43:54.760 Trump had him.

00:43:56.120 He was exactly right.

00:43:58.380 And the American people weren't allowed to hear the debate.

00:44:03.180 And you know what's amazing is they impeached him because they said he was going after information

00:44:09.880 and withholding, withholding aid.

00:44:13.700 OK, so what did Biden do?

00:44:16.760 He was withholding aid until he got his way to help Burisma.

00:44:21.820 Donald Trump was saying, I just want you to look into the corruption in our own country.

00:44:27.120 Well, I mean, first of all, he wasn't he didn't withhold it, but he was asking for information,

00:44:34.440 not just about, you know, somebody who is running against him.

00:44:38.360 But we're looking into corruption because the corruption was there that I really think this

00:44:45.720 is why they impeached him that first time on this, because they needed to put a wall around him and say he's doing all of these bad things with Ukraine.

00:44:57.380 So when the truth comes out, I don't think this is old news.

00:45:02.120 They were just like, let's get rid of him.

00:45:03.460 Let's get rid of it.

00:45:04.060 We hate Trump.

00:45:04.920 Any excuse to get rid of him would have done it.

00:45:06.920 But now, Glenn, you're hearing people.

00:45:09.620 I'm sorry to quote Keith Olbermann on the air, but people like Olbermann say Trump has handed Biden a path to a landslide.

00:45:19.060 Now, it's not that I think much of Olbermann's political analysis, but to the discussion we had later or earlier,

00:45:27.800 this is going to be the trash bucket into which the Democrats put everything.

00:45:31.980 The bad economy.

00:45:33.760 This is because of the Republicans.

00:45:35.660 They're hijacking the economy to focus on impeachment.

00:45:38.140 They're not focused on their job or the American people.

00:45:39.960 They're focused on this nonsense impeachment of poor Joe Biden, who just had a drug addled son.

00:45:44.080 That's it.

00:45:44.500 But every single thing that, you know, Ukraine, that's all President Trump's fault.

00:45:49.500 And now they're impeaching this poor old man who did absolutely nothing.

00:45:52.040 There's no proof.

00:45:52.800 No.

00:45:53.260 The new turn.

00:45:54.740 No hard evidence.

00:45:55.980 No hard.

00:45:56.460 Listen to CNN moments ago with their chief political analyst.

00:45:59.520 Listen to how he puts it.

00:46:01.320 We have not seen any evidence, hard evidence, directly connecting wrongdoing on the part of then Vice President Biden,

00:46:10.480 now President Biden and Hunter Biden's business dealings.

00:46:13.820 What Kevin McCarthy does have in this moment on his side is public opinion.

00:46:19.640 I mean, we just released a poll last week and we saw that despite that lack of evidence having been presented,

00:46:27.040 a majority of Americans believe something afoot here.

00:46:32.400 So there is a perception issue that the White House is going to have to battle.

00:46:36.800 And that is the perception issue that the House Republicans and Kevin McCarthy right now are leaning into.

00:46:41.920 This is amazing, hard evidence.

00:46:44.720 New York Times had the same phraseology just I think was today.

00:46:47.940 No hard evidence has emerged that Biden personally participated in or profited from the business deals that Hunter cut.

00:46:53.680 But what's interesting here is they have spent years saying there's no evidence.

00:46:59.520 This is Russian propaganda. 0.57

00:47:01.360 This isn't true.

00:47:02.480 It's not true.

00:47:03.280 He didn't do this.

00:47:04.120 He didn't do that.

00:47:05.100 Then it's revealed that he was.

00:47:06.640 They still are.

00:47:07.820 To this day, they are still shoveling propaganda.

00:47:12.120 And their own side has about 35 percent saying, I think there's a problem here.

00:47:19.080 This is a losing battle.

00:47:21.980 This is this should be a lot more lopsided, quite honestly, if people were trusting the media.

00:47:28.340 People know something's wrong here.

00:47:31.180 They also know something's wrong with their pocketbook.

00:47:34.460 And they also know something is wrong with his cognitive ability.

00:47:40.500 So they're on the losing side here.

00:47:44.880 I really think he will resign before his term is up.

00:47:50.420 He will.

00:47:51.180 No landslide, as Keith Olbermann said.

00:47:53.240 We've gone through some of the statements, which we now know are completely untrue.

00:47:56.100 Do we have time to play the Biden evolution on Hunter Biden and his messaging?

00:48:00.280 Do we have time for that?

00:48:01.000 He's calculating.

00:48:04.460 I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses, period.

00:48:12.500 I've never spoken with my son about his overseas business.

00:48:14.940 Do you stand by your statement that you did not discuss any of your son's overseas business?

00:48:19.440 Yes, I stand by that statement.

00:48:21.020 I don't discuss business with my son.

00:48:23.500 I never discussed a single thing with my son about anything having to do with Ukraine.

00:48:27.620 The president was never in business with his son.

00:48:31.000 And that last bit, right?

00:48:33.700 They tweaked it.

00:48:34.500 So it was at least these are all lies.

00:48:36.420 Then it was there's no evidence.

00:48:38.120 Now it's there's no hard evidence.

00:48:39.600 Same as I've never even spoken about my son's business with him to I was never in business with my son.

00:48:46.720 And now they're going to have to come up with a third iteration on that, too.

00:48:48.920 I mean, you know, what what else?

00:48:51.920 I you know, he was just an old adult man.

00:48:55.060 He didn't really know all of this is untrue.

00:48:57.400 They will continue to spin something.

00:49:00.120 But I believe that they've already thought of these things when they selected him to be president of the United States.

00:49:08.720 He's expendable in the end.

00:49:11.340 He's expendable.

00:49:12.500 And when it becomes too much of a burden for them, they'll gladly give him up for somebody else that they think can win.

00:49:21.200 And it's not.

00:49:22.340 Let me ask you a quick question in the minute we have left.

00:49:24.980 Does Barack Obama step in sooner rather than later to tell him, Joe, it's time to move off?

00:49:29.640 The center, somebody, given somebody, given his own stake in this impeachment inquiry.

00:49:34.340 Yeah, somebody does it.

00:49:36.020 But I think the inquiry has to go for a little while, but it'll happen just like it did with Nixon, where members of his own party and it will be Barack Obama will be part of it, which will make him again a hero because he was doing what was right for the country.

00:49:52.260 And he just said, you know, we got to you got to you got to give it up because it's hurting the country.

00:49:57.300 Right. That's what I know.

00:49:58.640 It all happened.

00:49:59.560 All happened under his watch.

00:50:01.420 Yep.

00:50:02.200 Glenn Beck.

00:50:02.880 Yep.

00:50:03.400 Always so great talking to you, especially today.

00:50:05.340 Thanks so much for being here.

00:50:06.280 We got lucky having you this afternoon.

00:50:07.940 Oh, thank you very much.

00:50:09.180 You bet.

00:50:09.860 Bye bye.

00:50:11.500 Wow.

00:50:12.520 OK, don't forget to check us out.

00:50:13.980 YouTube dot com slash Megan Kelly.

00:50:15.780 If you want to watch the show, you just listen to it.

00:50:17.960 And we've got more with Maureen Callahan right after this.

00:50:21.080 Just in one second, we're going to bring on Maureen Callahan for the very latest.

00:50:29.860 She's a columnist for the Daily Mail.

00:50:31.240 She is absolutely brilliant.

00:50:33.780 She's been writing about Biden's absence on 9-11.

00:50:36.900 Didn't take the time to actually go to any one of the memorial sites.

00:50:39.900 And we'll get to her with her reaction to the latest impeachment news.

00:50:42.940 But first, I just wanted to walk you through.

00:50:44.400 There was an extraordinary, a great, great piece on National Review by our friend Rich

00:50:49.680 Lowry, and he was documenting a conversation he had with Andy McCarthy.

00:50:53.880 Andy does a podcast too infrequently, only once a week for National Review.

00:50:58.480 It's always worth your time.

00:50:59.760 And he really lays out his thoughts on the latest legal battles.

00:51:03.280 And I just I just want to bring you through the bullets, OK, because it's all about how

00:51:07.200 there's more than enough proof already that the Bidens are corrupt.

00:51:11.940 All right.

00:51:12.180 He says I'm paraphrasing in most of these instances, but he writes that Joe Biden was

00:51:16.900 complicit in an inherently corrupt enterprise that centered on selling access to him when

00:51:22.140 he was a high official of the U.S. government who had incredible power and was entrusted with

00:51:26.200 handling sensitive matters.

00:51:27.800 At any point, Joe Biden could have shut down this operation to use Hunter to get to him,

00:51:32.960 the sitting VP.

00:51:33.840 In fact, he played along.

00:51:36.320 He made himself party to a grotesque influence peddling scheme beneficial to his family.

00:51:40.880 Is there any standard by which this is OK?

00:51:44.560 He gets into the story of Burisma founded by Nikola Zlochevsky.

00:51:49.200 They were put under investigation.

00:51:50.880 Zlochevsky in particular needed some help.

00:51:54.360 They put Hunter on the board for a million dollars a year shortly after Biden became VP

00:51:59.560 in charge of Ukraine policy.

00:52:01.160 They went to and also they gave Devin Archer, Hunter's business partner, a similar deal.

00:52:08.780 Tons of money for sitting on the board.

00:52:10.640 Neither one had any expertise in oil and gas.

00:52:13.060 It was an obvious payout.

00:52:14.780 Completely obvious, writes Rich, why Burisma would want Hunter Biden.

00:52:17.760 His pay was cut in half when Vice President Joe Biden left office and became just ex-vice president.

00:52:24.640 Why would they cut his pay in half?

00:52:25.640 It was obvious they were paying for the connection to sitting power.

00:52:29.940 Hunter knew it.

00:52:30.840 So did Joe.

00:52:32.200 Eventually, Burisma asked for what it was paying for.

00:52:34.880 The CFO of Burisma, Vadim Pozarski, sent an email requesting that Hunter and Archer,

00:52:41.520 quote, use your influence, end quote, to bring a halt to the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma.

00:52:47.780 One year later, Pozarski was invited to a dinner.

00:52:51.200 Guess who was there?

00:52:52.420 Joe Biden.

00:52:53.500 Not just Hunter, Joe Biden and Hunter at Cafe Milano.

00:52:58.660 This is the one at which that widow of the mayor of Moscow, Yelena Badarina, was also there.

00:53:04.980 She gave Hunter and Devin Archer $3.5 million.

00:53:07.780 Trump tried to raise it at the debate.

00:53:09.600 He was shut down, right?

00:53:11.180 That's Joe Biden at the meeting with Pozarski, the guy who's saying to Hunter,

00:53:16.280 please use your influence to stop the investigation into Burisma.

00:53:19.780 The following November, a month later, Pozarski wrote to Hunter and Archer Biden complaining that a proposed arrangement they had lacked reference to concrete, tangible results that we set out to achieve, like names of top U.S. officials here in Ukraine.

00:53:35.160 For example, the U.S. ambassador or Ukrainian officials, i.e., the president of Ukraine, chief of staff, prosecutor general, as key targets for improving Zlochevsky's case and his situation in Ukraine.

00:53:47.460 An obvious reference to the corruption investigation into this guy who founded Burisma.

00:53:52.020 They're asking Hunter to make it go away.

00:53:55.520 They wanted concrete deliverables.

00:53:57.760 That's a quote, especially a list of the top U.S. policymakers who would be coming to Ukraine to achieve the ultimate purpose to close down any cases slash pursuits against Zlochevsky in Ukraine.

00:54:12.220 It's all there in black and white.

00:54:14.540 Get these guys off of our back.

00:54:16.820 That's why we're paying you the money.

00:54:18.960 Stop the corruption investigation.

00:54:21.040 He referred to all of this as our joint efforts, and Hunter Biden assured him that, quote, we are all aligned.

00:54:29.800 A month later, the Burisma board met in Dubai.

00:54:32.900 We've all talked about this before on our show, whereas Zlochevsky was because he was not allowed to return to Ukraine.

00:54:39.600 His legal troubles were a focus of this board meeting.

00:54:43.660 Afterwards, Zlochevsky and this other guy, Pozarski, requested an urgent private meeting with Hunter and Devin Archer.

00:54:49.780 At that private meeting, Pozarski, the number two guy, asked Hunter, can you ring your dad?

00:54:56.180 He actually asked him to ring his dad, the sitting vice president.

00:55:00.180 Astonishingly inappropriate, writes National Review.

00:55:02.460 But Hunter Biden did it.

00:55:04.600 He told the vice president he was with Nikolai and Vadim.

00:55:08.220 The vice president apparently did not need a refresher on who they were.

00:55:10.940 And while business was not directly discussed, Hunter Biden insisted that these guys, quote, need our support.

00:55:19.740 Lowry raises the question, where was the righteous indignation?

00:55:23.520 Where was the Justice Goldberg reaction?

00:55:26.180 You put that banana back.

00:55:27.720 You send that fruit basket back immediately.

00:55:30.160 You don't even get the whiff of impropriety when this office is involved.

00:55:35.920 That's, again, best case scenario if Joe Biden didn't know the evidence.

00:55:41.180 Seems clear he did.

00:55:43.540 It was a shocking conflict of interest, concludes National Review.

00:55:48.360 Completely agree, and I've been saying it here for months.

00:55:50.680 The day of the Dubai board meeting, Hunter Biden business partner, Eric Schwerin, emailed a draft statement to Vice President Biden's communications director, Kate Bedingfield, to use to beat back potential inquiries about Hunter's shady dealings in Ukraine.

00:56:07.120 She emailed back saying Vice President Biden had approved the statement, which he later put out with only a few changes.

00:56:14.000 The next year in 2016, Zlochevsky, the guy who founded Burisma, reportedly told an FBI informant, this is back to that FBI form, that the Democrats and the FBI fought so hard to not let us see.

00:56:26.820 But now we have.

00:56:27.560 It's the one Nancy Mace reviewed and came out saying, oh, my God, Joe Biden appears to have taken a bribe.

00:56:32.600 All right.

00:56:33.160 The next year in 2016, Zlochevsky reportedly told an FBI informant who asked about the prosecution's investigation into Burisma.

00:56:42.660 Burisma, don't worry.

00:56:44.180 This is a quote.

00:56:45.100 Don't worry.

00:56:46.080 Hunter will take care of all those issues through his dad.

00:56:50.580 Zlochevsky later told the informant that he had paid $10 million to Joe and Hunter, five and five.

00:56:56.640 He said, as Zlochevsky did, according to this FBI informant document, that Hunter was dumber than this guy's dog, but that he needed to be on the Burisma board, quote, so everything will be OK.

00:57:07.960 All we hear from these Democrats today is no evidence, no hard evidence, no there, there.

00:57:16.840 All Kevin McCarthy's doing is opening an inquiry into whether impeachment here makes sense.

00:57:23.940 Joining me now, Maureen Callahan.

00:57:26.620 Maureen, I know you've been writing about this issue and covering the Bidens.

00:57:29.920 What do you make of today's news and, you know, that layout of facts by National Review, which, again, doesn't even get into the more salacious pieces of the story?

00:57:39.340 Oh, my God, Megan.

00:57:40.760 Well, first of all, thank you again for having me.

00:57:42.620 It's always so great to be on your show and talk to you.

00:57:45.840 I think everything that you just laid out vis-a-vis Rich Lowry's piece is damning.

00:57:55.160 It's devastating.

00:57:56.900 I think that people are really tired of being told not to believe what they're seeing and hearing.

00:58:04.340 I think it's very interesting that there has been a turn in the narrative here.

00:58:10.300 It's always been sort of assumed that Hunter was the rogue agent and Joe Biden was sort of the beleaguered father who was doing everything he could to keep his poor, addicted son together, especially after the death of Beau.

00:58:25.900 And now you're hearing and seeing people begin to ask, well, wait a minute, you know, maybe we have this backward.

00:58:33.620 Maybe Hunter's just the bag man.

00:58:35.480 And Joe is the active one sort of peddling his access on the open market.

00:58:43.760 You know, the idea that there's no evidence is akin to saying Joe Biden is completely mentally and physically able to carry out the duties of the president of the United States.

00:58:56.020 When you saw him wander off during that Medal of Honor ceremony last week, that was nothing.

00:59:01.160 You know, I mean, leaving this this Vietnam veteran who is only one or two years older than Joe Biden alone on that stage as he wanders off.

00:59:12.760 And so, you know, I think I think this is this is really good news for those of us who who think that our elected officials, especially those at the very highest levels, should be held to account.

00:59:27.120 I have got to ask you about this clip we pulled.

00:59:33.080 I remember this.

00:59:34.220 I said to my team, go back and pull the exchange, because I know that Trump raised this in the debate with Biden.

00:59:39.320 He raised the corruption of Hunter.

00:59:41.120 And I remembered him being shut down by Chris Wallace at the time.

00:59:45.100 It was remarkable.

00:59:46.940 Let me tell you something.

00:59:47.680 As a debate moderator, you understand you've hit gold when the candidates start to argue.

00:59:51.620 That is when any good debate moderator knows shut up, fade into the background.

00:59:56.620 If it's if it's something good, for sure, you know, like if it's something meaningless, like whatever.

01:00:01.180 But nine times out of 10 fade, let him fight.

01:00:03.740 That's what we're here for.

01:00:05.180 It's not for you to fight with them.

01:00:06.480 It's for them to fight with each other.

01:00:08.120 Look again at this clip, understanding that.

01:00:10.640 And I know Chris Wallace and I've prepared for presidential debates with Chris Wallace multiple times.

01:00:15.400 I know he knows this rule.

01:00:16.760 Uh, look at this clip, understanding where we are today, what we know today, that everything you're about to hear Trump say is true.

01:00:24.240 We now know it's true.

01:00:25.660 Watch it.

01:00:27.120 Why is it just out of curiosity?

01:00:29.660 The mayor of Moscow's wife gave your son three and a half million dollars.

01:00:34.060 What did he do to deserve it?

01:00:35.560 What did he do with Barista to deserve $183,000?

01:00:40.300 None of that is true.

01:00:41.260 None of that is true.

01:00:43.520 Oh, really?

01:00:43.940 He didn't get three and a half million?

01:00:45.000 Mr. President, he did.

01:00:46.280 Mr. President, please.

01:00:47.620 Totally discredit it.

01:00:49.260 Totally discredit it.

01:00:50.320 And by the way.

01:00:51.100 Well, wait.

01:00:51.440 He didn't get three and a half million dollars, Joe?

01:00:53.520 Mr. Vice.

01:00:54.160 He got three and a half million dollars.

01:00:55.860 It is not true.

01:00:56.960 Oh, really?

01:00:57.400 Mr. President, it's an open discussion, please.

01:01:01.540 It's a fact.

01:01:02.660 Well, you have raised an issue.

01:01:04.620 Let the vice president answer.

01:01:06.420 Did Barista pay him $183,000 a month with no experience in energy?

01:01:11.920 Mr. President, my son did nothing wrong at Barista.

01:01:15.440 I think he did.

01:01:16.260 Mr. President, let him answer.

01:01:18.620 You'll get the final word, Mr. President.

01:01:19.580 Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown.

01:01:21.940 It's a very important question.

01:01:23.080 No, I didn't get it.

01:01:23.860 He stood up.

01:01:24.560 No.

01:01:25.200 The answer to the question is no.

01:01:27.120 And he threatened Ukraine.

01:01:27.720 No.

01:01:28.180 Sir?

01:01:28.680 With a billion dollars.

01:01:29.900 Sir, that is absolutely not true.

01:01:32.780 You're going to have it.

01:01:34.280 Not true.

01:01:34.900 Gentlemen.

01:01:35.180 But he wouldn't let him berate Joe Biden.

01:01:42.300 He wouldn't let him pummel him.

01:01:43.740 Give me a real answer.

01:01:44.900 I don't believe what you're saying.

01:01:46.140 Great.

01:01:47.000 Let Joe Biden hold his own.

01:01:48.480 Let Joe Biden fight.

01:01:50.300 Let Trump say that's not true.

01:01:51.860 He didn't do this.

01:01:52.580 Give me an answer.

01:01:53.560 He kept protecting Joe Biden.

01:01:55.500 And you know what he moved on to, Maureen?

01:01:58.200 Race.

01:01:59.300 Race.

01:01:59.740 I'll read you the exact question.

01:02:02.320 Let's please continue on.

01:02:04.080 The issue of race.

01:02:05.660 Vice President Biden, you say President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville

01:02:09.420 three years ago when he talked about very fine people on both sides was what directly

01:02:14.620 led you to launch this run for president.

01:02:17.040 I can't.

01:02:19.780 You know, I mean, it's so there in real time.

01:02:22.860 We can all see media entities, media figures placing their thumb on the scale.

01:02:29.120 You know, it was so obvious, really, during that election, what was going on.

01:02:36.220 You know, the country was still in the throes of COVID.

01:02:39.740 There was a lot of trauma.

01:02:41.980 There was George Floyd, the BLM movement.

01:02:45.240 There was so much anxiety and there was so much, I do think, it's especially, and this

01:02:52.880 is coming back to bite the media, a protection, you know, sort of like nuclear, like a force

01:02:59.440 field around Joe Biden.

01:03:00.880 Like, don't ruffle his feathers.

01:03:03.020 Let's just get us through this election and get him into office so we can have some sort

01:03:07.880 of return to normalcy.

01:03:09.440 You know, and I do think that, you know, January 6th sort of underscored that to a degree.

01:03:15.560 But the answer now is not to continue to protect a man we know is a proven liar, a plagiarist,

01:03:26.120 a fabulist, corrupt, way too weak to be in office.

01:03:32.640 I mean, he has not yet gone to East Palestine, Ohio, and if that disaster had taken place

01:03:40.240 in a coastal city with moneyed citizens, you can bet he would have been on a plane, you

01:03:45.740 know, maybe within two weeks, as with Maui, you know, and then to put your feet on the

01:03:50.760 ground and start comparing that horrific disaster, that apocalypse, to a kitchen fire in his

01:03:58.860 mansion.

01:04:01.080 I personally, Megan, I'm sure you feel the same way, are flummoxed by the media's continued

01:04:08.820 obfuscation here.

01:04:11.800 Mm hmm.

01:04:12.560 That this is why I am fine with the term rigged.

01:04:18.500 I'm not OK with stolen necessarily, because it seems to me to imply a massive stealing of

01:04:23.740 votes, flipping of votes.

01:04:25.000 Um, I don't like but rigged.

01:04:27.920 Yes, yes.

01:04:29.280 From the laptop lies and the shutting down, of course, of The New York Post reporting to

01:04:34.420 this moment right here on the presidential debate stage with millions of eyeballs watching

01:04:39.560 the two candidates hash out an issue that the mainstream media wouldn't cover.

01:04:44.120 So Trump raised it and tried to have a debate with the guy on it.

01:04:48.260 That's not unfair.

01:04:49.380 He's right there.

01:04:50.700 Let him answer for himself.

01:04:51.880 That's fine.

01:04:52.400 You can have a snappy back and forth where the one says he didn't.

01:04:55.540 He didn't.

01:04:56.160 Did he or did he not take the money from Burisma?

01:04:58.100 That's fine.

01:04:59.400 And, you know, Wallace kept saying, let him answer.

01:05:01.260 Let him answer.

01:05:01.660 Joe Biden would answer.

01:05:03.200 And Trump sensed a lie.

01:05:05.260 And then Trump tried to cross examine him like, really, really?

01:05:08.120 And he kept shutting it down, shutting it down.

01:05:10.360 It's the same.

01:05:11.260 The same thing happened with Leslie Stahl in the 60 Minutes interview.

01:05:15.080 We actually have that queued up.

01:05:16.400 Watch.

01:05:16.580 He's gone into hiding for five days.

01:05:45.680 He's gone into hiding.

01:05:46.940 He's preparing for your debate.

01:05:48.500 Oh, it's taken him five days to prepare.

01:05:50.240 I doubt it.

01:05:52.220 That was Trump's own clip.

01:05:54.700 Remember, he taped a full interview himself.

01:05:57.360 Nothing about that.

01:05:58.320 That wound up in the 60 Minutes interview.

01:06:01.060 He released it.

01:06:02.500 Leslie Stahl, 60 minutes saying they couldn't get into the laptop because it hasn't been verified.

01:06:08.060 At that point, 100 percent, the FBI knew it was Hunter Biden's.

01:06:11.860 They had they had confirmed that 100 percent.

01:06:14.880 The media easily could have confirmed if they had done two minutes of work, as now all the media has verified that it's true.

01:06:21.520 And she wouldn't report on it, just saying can't be.

01:06:24.700 So this guy, I mean, you have to feel for Trump.

01:06:27.280 He tried.

01:06:28.200 He put himself out there with 60 minutes adversarial media on the debate stage trying to raise it.

01:06:33.420 And at every turn, the answer from the left wing press was no, you can't even talk about it.

01:06:39.180 So that Leslie Stahl exchange as a journalist, it's it's so embarrassing.

01:06:46.900 It's so embarrassing to just be a lapdog, you know, carrying water for, quote unquote, your guy, you know, insisting over and over this White House talking point.

01:07:00.300 Well, you know, Biden in there, but the Democratic talking point, which was this can't be verified and Trump's very good, salient, logical, provable point was the family hasn't even denied it, you know.

01:07:15.640 And this is this has gotten us where we are, you know, to have a president on the world stage who, you know, I'm sure you saw his rambling, rambling speech in Vietnam, not knowing whether it was day or night, saying he needed to take a nap, invoking his sort of John Wayne line that he uses all the time.

01:07:38.960 It just it's embarrassing and it projects weakness.

01:07:44.760 And I don't know why the party is taking so long with this.

01:07:52.880 I don't know why the electorate is sort of in this sort of coma like.

01:08:00.480 Frame of acceptance, like this is the best we can do.

01:08:04.140 Personally, I thought after Reagan, we would never allow someone that mentally impaired to continue to serve. 1.00

01:08:13.160 And that was well before the age of cell phones, social media.

01:08:17.460 You know, we see and hear everything.

01:08:20.880 It's it's I think we deserve better.

01:08:24.420 I think we deserve a better choice.

01:08:27.380 But I think the media has a lot to answer for here.

01:08:30.720 Every day I wait to see if if if the White House press corps is going to ask a relevant question.

01:08:37.580 I still cannot believe major outlets did not at all cover his absence from 9-11.

01:08:45.760 I can't believe I want to get to that.

01:08:47.560 I want to get to that one second.

01:08:48.880 But you raised what happened in Vietnam.

01:08:51.960 We played a couple of clips from it yesterday and they were embarrassing.

01:08:54.640 I want to go to bed.

01:08:55.500 And it was it was like it wasn't Mitch McConnell esque, but he did freeze for a second right in the middle of a thought.

01:09:00.360 And then just looked at them and said, I don't know about you, but I'm going home and I'm going to bed.

01:09:03.900 It was like it was bizarre.

01:09:07.880 Then there was the moment where he.

01:09:10.360 I've heard a couple of commentators refer to it as like getting played off at the Grammys.

01:09:14.520 You know, it was like he got up there, clearly got in trouble with his oratory and his staff clearly wrapped him quickly, played the music, literally played the music to get him off stage.

01:09:24.860 Here it is.

01:09:25.360 Southern Hemisphere had access to change.

01:09:29.160 It had access.

01:09:30.320 It wasn't confrontational at all.

01:09:32.700 Thank you, everybody.

01:09:34.220 This ends the press conference.

01:09:35.620 Thanks, everyone.

01:09:36.140 Thank you.

01:09:37.020 Thank you.

01:09:37.520 I'm raising it with every person I met with.

01:09:52.860 Mr. President, are you worried about your son being indicted, Mr. President?

01:09:56.660 Off he goes to the Muzak, which they began after his aide had to wrap him. 0.99

01:10:06.220 I don't know if it was KJP, but they had to say it's it's over, Mr. President.

01:10:10.520 Walk out.

01:10:11.060 He was once again wandering when he was over at Vietnam, not able to figure out where to go in the room.

01:10:17.200 Had happened days before at the Medal of Honor ceremony where he walked off, leaving that Vietnam vet up there by himself.

01:10:22.600 I mean, Maureen, every day there's something.

01:10:25.860 Every day there's something.

01:10:27.220 And, you know, I've touched upon this in a column before.

01:10:30.880 I don't understand why those closest to Joe Biden and really, I mean, his immediate family members, his wife.

01:10:39.340 Just in terms of protecting Joe Biden, protecting his legacy, you know, he ran as a one and done.

01:10:49.660 He said, if you get me in, I will get us through the worst of COVID.

01:10:53.280 I will get us out of this nightmare.

01:10:55.300 I will have knocked Trump off the national stage and I will turn the keys over to whoever's next behind me.

01:11:02.960 And, you know, instead we're stuck with this gerontocracy.

01:11:05.240 And I wonder sometimes, you know, if what Jill Biden must be thinking.

01:11:14.540 If that were my husband, I would be pulling him aside and saying, this is it.

01:11:17.940 You know, your time is up.

01:11:19.640 You did great.

01:11:20.780 You did the best you could.

01:11:22.580 But for everyone's sake, yours included, it is time to go.

01:11:28.260 And this sort of coupled with everything we continue to learn about Hunter Biden's dealings and payments that Joe, the big guy, you know, was was probably getting.

01:11:42.100 It makes you wonder, why not quit while you're ahead?

01:11:45.060 You know, are they all this power hungry?

01:11:47.700 Are they all this corrupt?

01:11:49.240 It's it's I know you've been writing about the 9-11 debacle and him blowing it off entirely.

01:11:57.720 I mean, I just just didn't think it was important to be at any one of the four sites where the planes went down.

01:12:03.340 Instead, he was in Alaska.

01:12:05.260 That was bad enough, Maureen.

01:12:07.260 It was completely disrespectful.

01:12:10.040 Ron DeSantis was there.

01:12:11.280 I saw him at ground zero.

01:12:12.920 He's he's only running for president.

01:12:14.360 He's not the sitting president.

01:12:15.640 And this from a man who you've pointed out wants us to see him as our empathizer in chief.

01:12:22.000 So let's just start there on on how egregious you think it was that he refused to show he was in Alaska instead.

01:12:30.460 I mean, his empathizer in chief thing has always been a lie.

01:12:33.520 And it was huddled hardcore during that last presidential presidential election by the media.

01:12:42.020 I mean, I personally I always thought it was very interesting that Obama was really holding back his endorsements, like his public full throated endorsement of Joe Biden that always struck me as very interesting.

01:12:54.840 I think situating himself in Alaska literally as far afield as you could get from any of the 9-11 sites was just a it reminded me of his his demeanor at Dover when those 13 caskets were being loaded off of those military planes.

01:13:16.960 And he was checking his watch.

01:13:17.960 And he was checking his watch.

01:13:18.380 He caught he was caught checking his watch.

01:13:21.200 Each time one casket came off, like how much longer do I have to endure this?

01:13:27.560 The fact of the matter is, if if a tragedy does not affect Joe Biden or anyone in his immediate sphere, he really doesn't care.

01:13:36.140 I found his reaction to the chaos and the unnecessary deaths at Kabul during his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan was heartless.

01:13:52.740 He was asked two days later in a primetime interview, I believe it was Lester Holt, about the 17 year old boy who fell to his death clinging to that C-17 plane.

01:14:02.460 And Biden just snapped at him. He said that was four or five days ago.

01:14:07.140 What do you like? Come on, man.

01:14:08.600 Like he's come on, man. You know, this sort of juvenile sort of swatting away of things that are inconvenient truths to him.

01:14:17.640 Just as you saw in that exchange with Trump saying my son did nothing wrong.

01:14:21.760 He did. He did nothing wrong. He did do something wrong.

01:14:24.960 He had zero experience in energy with a Ukrainian energy company.

01:14:30.780 He's pocketing $80,000 a month. Are you kidding me?

01:14:34.980 You know, I think as I wrote in the column, the calculation by his staff must have been that to see Biden dozing off or wandering away during a 9-11 ceremony would be an optic they could never walk back.

01:14:50.800 They could never excuse. It would give Trump, you know, free campaign ads for the for the for the cycle.

01:15:00.980 And again, that is my question. If he can't even make it through.

01:15:05.500 A 9-11 ceremony. What is he doing in the Oval Office? What what right what business does he have to be there?

01:15:14.840 It's it was amazing because he couldn't find the time to show up at one of the sites where the planes went down and the and the buildings were hit.

01:15:26.640 The Pentagon was hit, but he could find time to announce a new deal with Iran where we're going to release six billion dollars to them in exchange for some prisoners like that.

01:15:36.120 They thought they thought they thought 9-11 was an appropriate day to to confirm that deal had just taken place.

01:15:43.720 And then, Maureen, he goes out. And I mean, I want to say it's bizarre, but it's not bizarre, given that just the range of Joe Biden's strange conduct over the past two years.

01:15:53.860 He lied about where he was the day after the attacks on September 12th, 2001.

01:16:04.140 Listen to how he what where he would like us to believe he was.

01:16:09.820 Ground Zero in New York. And I remember standing there the next day and looking at the building.

01:16:16.660 I felt like I was looking through the gates of hell. It looks so devastating because the way you could see where from where you could stand.

01:16:23.860 Except it's not true. He was not at Ground Zero on 9-12. He was in Washington, D.C., and he did not mander up to see Ground Zero until weeks later with a congressional delegation.

01:16:39.960 He did not stand there. And even his description of what he saw didn't match what he originally said.

01:16:47.100 So I don't know if this is an intentional self-aggrandizement. I was there. I was in the middle of it all.

01:16:52.720 Or if he's really just crossed over to that point in life that some people reach thanks to dementia and old age where all the memories meld and sometimes one story kind of merges with another and both had nuggets of truth.

01:17:05.540 But put together, it's not true. Either way, you don't lie about 9-11.

01:17:09.520 Yeah, I mean, it's akin to stolen valor. I think any of us who were in New York City that day regard it as a sacred day and one in which, you know, to put himself there.

01:17:29.940 Honestly, it doesn't surprise me. I think you're being quite generous in theorizing that maybe his memories are sort of melding into each other in whatever stages of obvious dementia he is in.

01:17:44.940 But throughout his career, he really, I have always thought he was probably, you know, a narcissist, like probably a malignant one.

01:17:56.000 I always, always found it incredibly strange and disturbing that he was sworn into office in the hospital room where his two sons, ages four and two, I believe, were in, you know,

01:18:12.540 I think Hunter was in traction. They had survived that terrible car crash that took the life of their mother and their infant sister.

01:18:21.260 And instead of stepping back and saying, maybe I need to be there for my children right now, maybe I'm going to do a very quiet swearing in ceremony on the hill.

01:18:31.100 He used that hospital room and those injured, traumatized children as props.

01:18:37.440 That may be a very cynical read on it, but I think this is always who Joe Biden has been.

01:18:45.120 And I think if he is not at the center of the story and in some way looking like a real tough guy, I mean, lest we forget porn pop, the gang member at the community pool who Joe Biden set straight with a chain, you know, this is who he is.

01:19:06.120 Yes. And he, as much as his staff tries to help him from himself, this is going to be a very different campaign cycle.

01:19:16.280 He will not have the luxuries of his basement.

01:19:20.940 Right. Well, or will he? I don't know.

01:19:24.860 You know, I think one downside of Trump refusing to do the GOP debates is Joe Biden's going to use it and say, I'm not doing them either.

01:19:32.140 I'm not doing a debate with you. I, you know, I, you've already proven that this is an option available.

01:19:38.080 Trump says he's going to do the general election debates if he gets the nomination.

01:19:41.160 But I do think it's a bad precedent.

01:19:43.680 You know, before it was just a given everyone's going to participate in the debates.

01:19:46.960 You know, obviously there was that one where Trump got mad that yours truly was going to be there a long time ago and he wouldn't show up.

01:19:53.400 But in general, it's been a given that you show up for the debates.

01:19:57.580 And I think that that's the Democrats will use this if, in fact, he remains the nominee, right, to get him out of it.

01:20:04.560 Because, Maureen, how, how could they put him out there?

01:20:09.200 You know, it's such a great point.

01:20:12.920 I mean, it would be a devastating precedent to set to rob the American people of the chance to see each party's nominee head to head, face to face, on their own, debate the issues.

01:20:28.300 And if the media swallows this, and we're in danger of it happening, because with each Biden misstep or corruption probe or anything that's remotely compromising, you know, the media continues to sort of just turn a blind eye to it.

01:20:50.960 And if this is allowed to be set, if both candidates say, not doing it, I'm going to talk to my people on social media, I don't need you guys, you know, we do need moderators.

01:21:06.540 We do need to hear these issues hashed out in real time.

01:21:13.120 I mean, I, and this is, this is what bothers me so much about this sort of, again, this sort of swallowed idea that a gerontocracy is fine and dandy.

01:21:22.860 You know, when you see Mitch McConnell freezing for 30 seconds, unable to speak, unable to move, when you see a Dianne Feinstein getting wheeled in and she doesn't even have control of her own finances.

01:21:39.400 She's 91.

01:21:41.400 I mean, we deserve better.

01:21:44.260 We deserve better.

01:21:46.160 And if Biden decides he's going to tap out of this year's debates, I would hope that the media pushes back hard enough where this is not an option.

01:22:00.100 It's, it's a, it's threatening to, to democracy.

01:22:03.720 I think I, we have a shot.

01:22:05.100 We have a shot on that because the media is self-interested in seeing debates.

01:22:09.280 It runs up their numbers.

01:22:10.660 They can print copy.

01:22:12.060 They get ratings.

01:22:13.120 So they have self-interest in seeing that happen.

01:22:15.820 So we have a shot at them holding him to account.

01:22:18.240 But I, I think on the impeachment inquiry, there's some good news.

01:22:21.420 They will be forced to start asking about it.

01:22:23.240 The next person who gets to sit down with Joe Biden would be a national laughingstock if they didn't actually press him on these allegations now.

01:22:30.800 So that's a plus that's progress, but I think that more than likely we're going to see more of the Chris Wallace, Leslie Stahl behavior of either running cover for him or finding it so overwhelmingly hard to understand what's real and what's not that.

01:22:47.600 Would they just avoid it and, you know, just say, oh, okay, he's answered.

01:22:51.580 Let's move on because I don't know whether that was Chris Wallace running cover for Joe Biden or whether he just hadn't researched the issue and he was uncomfortable and he didn't want Trump spewing falsehoods that he couldn't fact check as opposed to entertaining the bizarre notion that Trump might be right.

01:23:10.420 Trump might be the factual one here and Joe Biden might be the liar, right?

01:23:16.240 It's a thought you have to entertain.

01:23:18.300 You have to go into la la world and actually check your bias and entertain the thought that the bad guy might actually be the good guy and vice versa.

01:23:27.900 All right, stand by.

01:23:28.460 We're going to squeeze in a quick break.

01:23:30.000 Maureen stays with us and some great stories to get to lighten it up a bit on the opposite side of this break.

01:23:34.680 We'll be right back.

01:24:04.680 They won the Women's World Cup and I think it was like the first, it was the first, first ever time they did it, the women's, uh, women's team.

01:24:10.880 And at the moment they won, one of the players, her name is Jennifer Hermoso, came over during like the receiving line as all the players went down the line and said, congrats.

01:24:22.380 And she picked him up, um, she picked, she wrapped her arms around his waist, she lifted him off his feet and he laughed and shouted.

01:24:31.320 Then when she put him down, he gave her an embrace and gave her a quick kiss, a quick peck on the mouth.

01:24:40.520 It wasn't a linger.

01:24:41.720 It was quick in and out.

01:24:44.000 Peggy, I mean, uh, Heather McDonald wrote a piece about this and Quillette dated yesterday, which is well worth people's time.

01:24:50.020 And she documents how Jennifer Hermoso left the field and streamed a live Instagram of herself celebrating in the team locker room, swigging from a champagne bottle, stuffing a chocolate, chocolate cupcake in her mouth, guffawing, smirking for her smartphone.

01:25:05.120 Off camera, someone asked what she thought of the kiss.

01:25:06.920 Still laughing.

01:25:07.580 She says, uh, no, me, uh, Gustado.

01:25:10.440 Hey, I'm, I didn't like it.

01:25:12.440 Um, but she's laughing.

01:25:13.680 And then later they show her teammates laughing about it and so on.

01:25:17.340 The Spain's feminist rights, Heather were less amused, started complaining that she'd been sexually assaulted by Rubiales. 1.00

01:25:24.240 Uh, for a while, Jennifer Hermoso brushed off the allegation in a statement sent to Spanish news agency.

01:25:28.700 She wrote that the kiss was a mutual gesture that was totally spontaneous, spontaneous, prompted by the huge joy of winning the World Cup.

01:25:35.060 We have a great relationship.

01:25:36.460 His behavior with all of us has been a 10 out of 10.

01:25:38.600 This was just a natural gesture of affection and gratitude.

01:25:41.440 I'm a world champion.

01:25:42.440 That's what matters.

01:25:43.500 They stayed on it.

01:25:44.360 The feminists.

01:25:45.120 I mean, every other day I was seeing a story about trying to get this guy fired.

01:25:47.600 He was like, what are you doing?

01:25:48.600 What are you saying?

01:25:49.440 What's happening here?

01:25:50.640 Being treated like a rapist.

01:25:52.700 And then Hermoso does a 180, which was the kiss of death for him.

01:25:59.080 She discovers, as Heather writes, appearance is notwithstanding.

01:26:02.140 She had, in fact, been traumatized by the incident.

01:26:05.060 He posted a statement to Twitter addressing the Soccer Federation, saying the situation was a shock for me.

01:26:11.300 In the context of the celebration and with the passing of time and analyzing in more detail those initial feelings, I feel the need to denounce this act.

01:26:19.520 No person should be the victim of this kind of non-consensual behavior.

01:26:24.300 I felt vulnerable.

01:26:26.600 And the victim of assault goes on from there.

01:26:30.760 Then he went on with Piers Morgan and said the following.

01:26:34.640 Sot 28.

01:26:38.140 About my resignation.

01:26:39.640 Yes, I'm going to do.

01:26:41.500 I'm going to.

01:26:42.420 Yeah, I'm going to.

01:26:43.920 Yes, because I cannot continue my work.

01:26:45.800 And he did resign and he's out.

01:26:49.500 What do you make of it?

01:26:51.880 This is such a crazy story.

01:26:53.860 I've also been really interested in this, too.

01:26:56.500 I think one of the one of the hardest things to challenge here is that image of of of of his hands around Hermosa's head and bringing her in because it's such a it seems so simple, so declarative that it was forceful.

01:27:17.500 It was forceful, something she did not want.

01:27:20.360 And then when you read in a little bit, the Heather McDonald piece you cited was quite illuminating.

01:27:27.760 Jennifer Hermosa, Jenny Hermosa said, I mean, she said she wasn't a victim of anything.

01:27:32.200 And it was just one of those things in the moment.

01:27:34.060 And did she like it?

01:27:35.300 No.

01:27:36.060 Was she fine?

01:27:37.460 Yes, she was still intact.

01:27:39.180 The headline here was that she was a victor.

01:27:42.820 They had won.

01:27:44.240 And I think I think two things.

01:27:46.180 I think one is we are really still in this moment of overcorrecting because sexual harassment and sexual assaults have been so difficult to prove.

01:28:01.200 And the onus has always been on the woman. 1.00

01:28:04.240 And so I think that we're the pendulum has swung too far and it will go back.

01:28:08.780 And I think that we're talking about this story is proof of that, because I also think it does women no favors. 0.99

01:28:16.180 To lean into victim mode when it's unnecessary and when it's untrue.

01:28:22.600 And thirdly, you know, this has cost a man who we have not heard that this is a pattern of behavior, that there's a file, you know, a foot tall about his improprieties with females.

01:28:36.700 This has cost him his life and his reputation, his life's work.

01:28:40.340 And I think that people don't really weigh those those consequences with the with the gravity that they should.

01:28:50.920 But I just think it's such a waste of a man's career.

01:28:55.140 He was riding high.

01:28:56.840 He had such an accomplishment with this team of winning.

01:29:00.100 And in a moment of, yes, exuberance, he crossed a line he shouldn't have crossed.

01:29:05.520 It was not that bad, as even she said immediately thereafter.

01:29:10.300 And for him to lose his career over this is absolutely wrong.

01:29:14.160 It's absurd.

01:29:14.960 She did the wrong thing, too.

01:29:16.020 She should have said, you know what, it was fine.

01:29:18.240 I didn't like it, but we moved on.

01:29:19.520 And he should have said, I'm so sorry.

01:29:21.000 I got carried away.

01:29:21.700 And she was said, I'm sorry, too.

01:29:23.180 I'm sorry I grabbed you and lift you up and made you seem like a girly man.

01:29:26.100 Right.

01:29:26.260 Like no man wants that.

01:29:28.100 Anyway, that should have been the end of it.

01:29:30.340 But the feminist took over. 1.00

01:29:31.720 I swear, I think the same thing happened to Michael Orr in the whole blindside thing.

01:29:35.300 You know, like the race activist took over and convinced him that he was the victim of these white saviors and he should be resentful of them instead of grateful to them.

01:29:43.780 And he, too, did a 180 on his story.

01:29:46.060 And all of it's just so distasteful.

01:29:47.880 All right.

01:29:48.080 Wait, I've got to get you to talk about Kanye and his wife because you're writing about these two.

01:29:52.940 I I wait.

01:29:54.540 I wait for the next Maureen Callahan update on what's happening.

01:29:57.800 It's so weird.

01:29:59.320 The wife's name is Bianca Sensori.

01:30:01.760 She worked for his company and then I guess they formed an attachment of some sort.

01:30:07.100 Now, unclear whether they're legally married or just married in some sort of a ceremony.

01:30:11.060 And we don't know.

01:30:11.580 They say that they're married.

01:30:12.900 They're over in Italy behaving terribly.

01:30:15.520 We talked about on the show last week.

01:30:17.820 She was very clearly, it appears, giving him a blowjob in one of those Venice boats.

01:30:23.700 His his butt is hanging out.

01:30:25.580 She's on her knees in front of him.

01:30:27.200 And now there are pictures every day of her walking around Italy.

01:30:30.360 The police are investigating this, by the way, is public indecency.

01:30:33.840 Pictures of her every day walking around looking like some sort of drugged out abuse victim.

01:30:42.080 I'm not saying she is abused.

01:30:43.220 I'm just saying that's what she looks like.

01:30:44.820 She's literally wearing pantyhose and a tube top here, Maureen. 1.00

01:30:50.000 This is pantyhose.

01:30:50.960 This is like full length pantyhose that you and I might put on under a dress.

01:30:54.220 She's wearing them out.

01:30:55.160 And like, like it looks like an ace bandage around her enormous breasts, which maybe is 1.00

01:31:01.440 an improvement from what she wears the other half of the time, which is like a mask over 0.96

01:31:05.440 her face.

01:31:06.520 The day before this, she was out just holding a pillow over her breasts.

01:31:09.500 She had no clothes.

01:31:10.580 It was just a pillow over her breasts.

01:31:13.200 I don't know what's happening here, but I feel really uncomfortable with it.

01:31:17.080 Oh, it's, it's really disturbing.

01:31:20.480 I think, you know, the images of her, well, first of all, it's, it's, it's historically

01:31:26.480 proven and you can date it back through magazine articles and even the Kardashian show.

01:31:33.840 When Kanye decides he is going to bring you into his world as a romantic partner, he makes

01:31:43.360 you over in the image and likeness that he sees fit.

01:31:47.080 And has said as much, I think it was Julia Fox who said, he told her, if you want to

01:31:51.580 be seen in public with me, you must look this certain way.

01:31:56.140 And with Bianca Sensori, what I find really disturbing is he's gone to the point of visually

01:32:03.480 negating her, sort of rendering her not even human with the cover, covering her face, her

01:32:11.780 head, her entire body.

01:32:13.140 This to me seems to be Kanye saying, this is my ideal woman.

01:32:17.360 She can't see, she can't speak for herself.

01:32:19.940 She can't hear.

01:32:20.940 You can't interact with her.

01:32:22.460 I own her.

01:32:23.180 She is my property. 0.80

01:32:24.820 Having her walking around Italy, like clutching this, it looks like a throw pillow that you

01:32:30.140 put on a couch over her bare breasts. 1.00

01:32:32.820 And the entire time, I agree with you completely.

01:32:36.540 She looks like a hostage.

01:32:38.740 She looks like she's drugged out and like not in control of herself.

01:32:44.080 I just, I find it, I find it really, really creepy.

01:32:47.140 I just do not think things are going to end well here.

01:32:50.080 I don't either.

01:32:51.080 And now her friends are speaking out saying this doesn't seem like her.

01:32:53.660 She's somebody who's very lively.

01:32:55.460 Normally she's Australian. 1.00

01:32:57.040 She's, she's like apparently is a big talker, but in these pictures, she looks miserable.

01:33:03.040 What kind of a woman would get down on her hands and knees and perform fellatio on a 1.00

01:33:07.280 man in an open boat in Venice?

01:33:09.820 And the man happens to be Kanye West.

01:33:11.320 It's not like people aren't going to be taking pictures.

01:33:13.200 It's bizarre.

01:33:14.980 She looks sad.

01:33:16.360 I'd be sad too.

01:33:18.280 Run, run, Bianca. 0.67

01:33:20.600 Last but not least, I've got to ask you about Harry and Meghan and Meghan in particular.

01:33:24.920 So my belief, Maureen, is that Ari Emanuel, her new power agent, has been trying to rehabilitate

01:33:30.260 her by getting suits to get replayed all over Netflix, I think it is. 0.92

01:33:35.800 But you couldn't avoid the promo for this this summer if you turned on your television,

01:33:40.360 trying to get her back into people's minds so she can relaunch her career, maybe improve 1.00

01:33:45.120 her likability factor.

01:33:46.600 Well, it's not working.

01:33:47.800 A new poll conducted by Newsweek shows that her popularity is down eight points from June.

01:33:56.160 She's underwater in her net approval rating. 0.94

01:33:59.360 33% of people reported their dislike for her.

01:34:03.080 31% said she was OK to them.

01:34:06.680 I guess the rest don't have an opinion, but she's going in the wrong direction.

01:34:10.780 Harry's liked by a few more, but they're still both disliked.

01:34:14.840 And so you tell me whether it is possible at this point to rehabilitate Meghan Markle.

01:34:21.080 Oh, it's completely impossible.

01:34:22.800 And I love watching every attempt at continuing to revive this corpse.

01:34:28.200 I think this is among the greatest performance artists we are seeing.

01:34:33.560 It's great to watch in real time.

01:34:35.660 I agree with you.

01:34:36.520 I think the suits thing was really strange.

01:34:38.720 Like, out of nowhere, this obscure legal drama that nobody watched, that had zero cultural capital.

01:34:45.620 Nobody talked about suits.

01:34:47.180 Nobody cared, you know?

01:34:49.820 I think Ari Emanuel, I don't know why he would take this on, unless he just really feels the need for a challenge that's insurmountable.

01:34:58.720 It's going to fail.

01:35:00.580 She is completely unlikable. 0.99

01:35:02.100 As I've written before, I saw her in person speak to a room full of self-selected feminists who you think would be inclined to hear what she had to say. 1.00

01:35:15.000 And this was at Gloria Steinem's Women of Vision event that was back in the spring.

01:35:19.600 And Meghan Markle is incapable of coming across as anything less than insincere and phony and inconsiderate and just in love with her own aura and her own incredible, boring backstory.

01:35:39.980 She has zero to offer.

01:35:41.980 They can keep trying to shove her down America's throats. 1.00

01:35:44.540 We don't want it.

01:35:45.720 And we're not going to buy into any of it.

01:35:49.780 That was the night of her fake car chase, right?

01:35:53.440 That was the, I think that was the nail in the coffin for her.

01:35:56.340 That fake car chase.

01:35:58.300 Amazing.

01:35:59.260 That photo, that paparazzi photo where she's sitting in between Harry and her mother, just looking serene.

01:36:05.100 You know, that crazy namaste face she's always making. 1.00

01:36:08.480 Like, I'm so calm.

01:36:09.620 You know, okay, you're being, you're being, you're being chased just like Diana, not a high

01:36:15.100 speed, not in chase.

01:36:16.720 Great.

01:36:17.060 Got it.

01:36:17.440 It was terrifying.

01:36:18.860 Your life was in danger.

01:36:20.120 I mean, really her PR people tried to put that out. 0.94

01:36:22.320 We could tell it was a lie.

01:36:23.620 We knew like everything with this woman.

01:36:25.100 If it, if it makes her feel or look sympathetic or good, it's a lie.

01:36:31.520 Maureen Callahan, what a pleasure.

01:36:32.900 Please come back often.

01:36:34.820 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:36:35.800 Always so fun to be on your show.

01:36:37.220 All right.

01:36:38.200 And just do yourselves a favor.

01:36:39.320 Google Maureen Callahan, Daily Mail.

01:36:41.160 Just start reading.

01:36:42.040 You can't lose.

01:36:42.920 Every single one is a winner.

01:36:44.140 Trust me.

01:36:45.020 Thanks to all of you for joining us today.

01:36:46.440 Want to remind you that on Thursday, we have our interview with Donald Trump.

01:36:51.000 It's going to air right here.

01:36:52.920 Tomorrow, we have a special look at all of our past interviews with the top GOP candidates.

01:36:57.240 We're doing that because it might be interesting to you.

01:36:59.240 And also because we'll be sitting with Donald Trump right around that time.

01:37:01.920 So we got to do that.

01:37:02.840 But don't forget, Thursday, yours truly, Donald Trump.

01:37:07.920 Be there.

01:37:12.120 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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