Bud Light is in the midst of a bloodbath. We dig into the story, and the truth is even crazier than what you may have seen. Plus, the drama inside the Tennessee Statehouse continues with one representative who was expelled already being sworn back in, and we take a little dive into his past.
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00:00:16.020Have you seen the video of the Bud Light marketing exec talking about how she wants to change the perception of the company?
00:00:23.620Heck of a job, Brownie. Great job. You nailed it.
00:00:27.040We dug into the story here on our team, and the truth is even crazier than what you may have seen.
00:00:33.660We'll show it to you. Plus, the drama inside the Tennessee Statehouse continues with one representative who was expelled already being sworn back in.
00:00:43.480And we took a little dive into his past and wait until you see what we found.
00:00:50.320You're going to love this. So much happening, so today is the perfect day for the EJs.
00:00:54.440Emily Jaschinski is culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist Radio Hour.
00:00:59.420And Eliana Johnson is editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches.
00:01:12.700I don't even know where I want to start, but I guess I'll just take them in that order.
00:01:15.320So Bud Light is in the midst of a bloodbath.
00:01:19.000It's a bloodbath for Bud Light in the wake of its ridiculous marketing person's decision to expand the brand by catering to a segment of the population that is less than 0.01%.
00:01:30.740They've completely abandoned their actual core base of buyers.
00:01:36.120And Fox Business has an article posted right now talking about they went out and spoke to various distributors, various bars, various restaurants, and so on.
00:01:46.320Consumers Nationwide revolted is their headline after this bloodbath against the nation's top-selling beer brand after it stepped recklessly into the culture wars last week with its new spokesperson, TikTok star Dylan Mulvaney.
00:01:59.000For those not paying attention, this is what happened.
00:02:01.840This new Bud Light marketing executive, this woke, young Harvard grad, decided to completely change the face of Bud Light by creating Bud Light cans to celebrate trans activist Dylan Mulvaney, who's somehow managed to become the face of womanhood, even though Dylan has a penis.
00:02:22.160They talked to bar owners and beer industry experts talking about how, and just giving you some examples.
00:02:29.000Filters Bar was one of them in not far from, yeah, it's in Missouri.
00:02:34.660And Bud Light, Anheuser-Busch is headquartered in St. Louis.
00:02:57.32080% of Bud Light drinkers ordered something else.
00:03:00.380The owner says the 20% who did order Bud Light were not on social media and hadn't heard about the new transgender pitch person.
00:03:07.640They didn't order it again after they found out.
00:03:10.880One pub in Hell's Kitchen, a New York City neighborhood known for its large and vocal gay community, reported Bud Light draft sales dropped 58% this week.
00:03:19.780Down in Texas, where Bud Light has sponsored a large weekly dart league with 100 plus players each Thursday night, the bar, which typically sells three kegs of Bud Light at the event, sold a total of four bottles this week.
00:03:50.040You know, finally the go broke thing is working.
00:03:54.480And the question is whether they will learn Bud Light and other brands.
00:03:57.880And it depends on their strategy, because sometimes their strategy is they know there is a slice of the population that loves this stuff.
00:04:09.240You saw this with Nike and Colin Kaepernick.
00:04:11.380There's a huge swath of the country that absolutely despises what Nike did with Colin Kaepernick.
00:04:16.680But because there's a small group of people that they could create a very loyal fan base out of, the Colin Kaepernick stuff kind of worked for them.
00:04:24.540They actually saw sales increase as part of that.
00:04:27.180Now, they have different fan bases, of course, than Bud Light.
00:04:30.460It's a really broad company, and Bud Light is too.
00:04:33.660But for the most part, Bud Light drinkers are probably more similar than the Nike demographic.
00:04:40.620And so is Bud Light's strategy to spend this much so that it gets favorable ratings on DEI ESG scores, that it'll allow it to get better investments?
00:04:52.760Do they even care if they take a hit in business over a month?
00:04:57.840Of course, they should care, and the people who invest in them should absolutely care.
00:05:02.480But at this point, do executives see themselves as people who can sacrifice a tiny bit for the activism that allows themselves to show their faces at the Manhattan cocktail party circuit?
00:05:12.840That's actually an open question, because we've seen companies in the past spend a ton of money just to do DEI PR pushes.
00:05:20.440They might not even believe in any of it, but that's the strategy.
00:05:24.060It's like advertising, and it's this sort of personal penance.
00:05:28.320It's this personal thing that they're paying to feel good and to feel like they're virtue signaling, and they've bought themselves that virtue signal.
00:05:37.180So I wonder how much the executives at Bud Light care about these really stark numbers that you just outlined.
00:05:48.460Bud Light doesn't know who its audience is.
00:05:50.900They don't know who their consumers are.
00:05:53.000These guys at the NFL football games who are ordering Bud Light en masse as they watch the Sunday game, the guys who are playing darts down in Texas, you've seen the videos online.
00:06:03.620They're renting out bulldozers and excavators to roll over huge cases of Bud Light that people are throwing out.
00:06:41.660I the closest analogy I could come up with is when a primary campaign ends and the candidate needs to pivot to the general.
00:06:50.320If you listen to the Bud Light marketing director talk, she essentially said we need to broaden the reach and the appeal of this brand beyond our core users.
00:07:02.760Well, any political candidate would know you could pivot to the center, but you can't lose the primary voters who backed you.
00:07:10.780You got to you got to keep your base if you want to pivot.
00:07:14.780Otherwise, the pivot is pointless and you come out behind.
00:07:59.200But they brought in this woman, Alyssa Heinerscheid, who is now the VP of marketing, who said they really needed to update their fratty and out of touch branding with inclusivity.
00:08:12.980Here she was three days before the Dylan Mulvaney thing launched, before anybody had seen it.
00:08:18.880And she still thought it was safe for her to do podcasts and say what she really thought.
00:08:25.100But she apparently didn't see the shitstorm that was about to rain down on her and her brand thanks to her stupid marketing campaign.
00:09:11.180So she went this way and went on to say it's essential that the brand attract more female and younger drinkers.
00:09:20.480Otherwise, there will be no future for Bud Light.
00:09:22.340Because this, this, Eliana, is what she thinks women will support.
00:09:27.840That women want a fake pretend woman who mocks us at every video Dylan Mulvaney releases to be the face of our beer.
00:09:38.520That's that's her understanding of what women want.
00:09:41.840There is something, I think, really offensive about saying that this transgender person, Dylan Mulvaney, who is an adult man, is a spokesperson for women, will appeal to women.
00:09:58.600And, you know, and I think, I do think, like, there, there is a social stigma against saying that because you're accused of transphobia.
00:10:09.160But it is wrong for adult men to take the place of speaking on behalf of and marketing to women, if that is the point.
00:10:58.240I love my non facial hairy face, which doesn't have any stubble because I'm a woman.
00:11:05.920You know, I don't want to pivot to Tampax, but I feel as though I must.
00:11:10.700Because Dylan Mulvaney is also hawking Tampax at this point, which you could not write.
00:11:16.260I mean, you can't make satire that ridiculous.
00:11:19.100And so, yeah, I mean, it's completely offensive.
00:11:21.740Apart from sounding a little bit like I imagine Eliana sounded when she took over the free beacon, that marketing director is hilarious because it's some real millennial bullshit.
00:11:31.540Like they don't realize how that's going to age.
00:11:34.680Gen Z is already way more heterodox on this question of trans identity because they've seen a lot of their friends suffer from it.
00:11:40.940This is like the caricature of a millennial trying to check or trying to connect with young people like the hello fellow kids thing.
00:11:47.660And the other part of this I wanted to mention is that when you have people out there, you know, like Kid Rock shooting the Bud Light cans, everything like this, they're not necessarily always offended because they're just completely, you know, conservative Republicans, although that's absolutely the case.
00:12:02.700It's the signal that Bud Light doesn't give a damn about them.
00:12:06.660It's like CMT last week with the drag performance after the shooting in Nashville.
00:12:11.800It's a signal that we think you're outdated.
00:12:15.340We think you're fratty and gross and backwards.
00:12:17.880And we're trying to move away from that because we don't have respect for you.
00:12:21.660So even if in some cases it's not like that their politics might differ, you know, somebody who decides not to order Bud Light, it's that they feel like they're, you know, getting like something, a slap in the face to the way that we're there from, how they grew up and the way that people they love think.
00:12:37.520So it's not even just that like one narrow political issue.
00:12:41.040It's just this cultural sign that you don't like the people who buy your product.
00:15:08.840But then, even before you said she was Harvard and Wharton educated, you know, my thought was, this is clearly a woman who is a product of elite institutions on the East Coast.
00:15:19.340She is part of the crowd that was certain Elizabeth Warren would be the Democratic Party's nominee in 2020, who uses, and who uses terms like Latin X, and thinks that the rest of the country thinks and talks the way they do.
00:15:34.280And if they don't, they're backwards people.
00:15:36.080And who doesn't have the self-awareness to realize they live in an elite bubble and need to check their biases.
00:15:43.020Look, I'm part of that same kind of elite.
00:16:00.340You know, if you bother to care, you know, if you read certain publications, if you listen to certain reporters on this show, we take callers.
00:16:08.220You know, it's like they don't have their finger on the pulse because they don't care, Eliana.
00:17:09.040Dylan's been taking some sort of a hormone that has turned Dylan into some, I don't know what's happening there, but those are not breasts.
00:17:16.460And Dylan doesn't need any sort of a bra, never mind a sports bra.
00:17:20.460The three ladies on this program right now have six boobs between us.
00:17:25.140And we actually know what it's like to wear a bra.
00:17:27.300And no one would be inspired to buy one based on non-breasted Dylan Mulvaney prancing around in a Nike sports bra.
00:17:34.820By the way, Dylan also appears to have an eating disorder.
00:18:02.600A lesser known part of the burgeoning ESG score system, environmental, social, and corporate governance is ESG.
00:18:10.160And we already knew that a lot of these big investment firms, BlackRock and so on, will look at your ESG score as a company before deciding whether to invest in you.
00:18:19.300But this is something a little different.
00:18:30.860How do you get a good ESG score or a good CEI, Corporate Equality Index score?
00:18:35.260You have to please the human rights campaign.
00:18:39.160The human rights campaign, that's the organization that was headed by Alfonso David, who was secretly advising Andrew Cuomo on how to bury all the women who were accusing him, right?
00:18:52.400It's supposed to be like, yay, pro-gay and pro-LGBTQ.
00:18:57.120And secretly this guy was like, screw those women, let's bury them.
00:19:02.060But this is a hard left organization, Emily.
00:19:04.380And so no wonder if you need to get their approval, of course you're going to use Dylan Mulvaney and the like.
00:19:12.000It's this amazing alliance that's developed over the last decade, I would say, between the far left sort of activist class and cultural activist class, not economic activist class, but cultural activist class and big business.
00:19:26.420It's incredible to see their marriage come to fruition, and that's exactly what this is when you have firms like BlackRock, and not just BlackRock, but they will actually score companies.
00:19:36.520You can see it on the human rights campaign website.
00:19:39.560They score these companies, and then that's used for investors to determine where they're steering capital.
00:19:45.420And this is like incredibly important because it's a great glimpse into how divorced a lot of the decisions these big, big companies make, especially investment firms make.
00:20:04.520This is something completely perverted and distorted that prioritizes the opinions of this elite group of investors, D.C. activists, politicians.
00:20:17.420And you have really good luck doing something about this.
00:20:20.100I mean, some people are trying and you have Vivek Ramaswamy is now running for president out there, like trying to blow the horn and wave the red flag and say this is happening.
00:20:29.200It's not like you can just stop going to that store that you really like going to in your small town because they did something you don't like.
00:20:37.060It's not a boycott that's as easy and connected as that.
00:20:40.180It's completely a distorted market system that prioritizes the ideology of people who are completely out of touch and who have this binary where you are either fully culturally progressive or you are necessarily a bigot.
00:20:53.200We have heard this out of the mouth of the president of the United States, who's talked about Jim Crow 2.0 and a Georgia voting law that's not even as strict as his own states and Delaware's.
00:21:02.640We've heard him talk about Jim Eagle and all of that stuff.
00:21:05.580If you are not fully on board with their cause, you are a bigot.
00:21:08.840You will be penalized and you will be penalized even if you don't proactively support them.
00:23:35.040She's one of the people out there who's now influencing these massive corporations, Eliana, and changing the face of the brands.
00:23:43.260You know, I read the New York Post report with great interest, Megan, and I did think that the missing piece in that report was some kind of reporting indicating how closely these companies watch this index and pay attention to them.
00:23:57.620And then how they change their actions in order to game it, because there is a chicken and egg question for me in this.
00:24:04.960Is Bud Light doing what it did here and are other companies doing these things because they're staffed like people like the marketing executive from Harvard and Wharton?
00:24:15.300Or are they doing it from outside incentives?
00:24:18.240Or are they, in fact, hiring the people from Harvard and Wharton to game this index?
00:24:22.660I still think there's a lot we don't know about the causal mechanism here.
00:24:26.520But part of me does think that the people at the top echelons of corporate America think this way anyway.
00:24:33.980They don't need to be beaten with a stick or have some, you know, outside incentive like this index put on them to behave this way and to lecture others in this way and to try to change their companies.
00:24:46.300And also they're beholden. We've seen a million times over and over again.
00:24:50.400They're beholden to the 22, 23 and 24 year olds who fill their ranks from Ivy League schools on the East Coast and from the best schools on the West Coast and who come in demanding this stuff or they face an uprising.
00:25:03.480So I do think we don't quite know the causal mechanism here.
00:25:08.600I mean, all I know from the post report on those on those companies, they say the 20th anniversary edition of the CEI Corporate Equality Index now includes over twelve hundred participants and more than eight hundred top scorers.
00:25:21.380And then they go on to list that they say this means employers at over twelve hundred companies agreed to have their policies and benefits analyzed by the Human Rights Campaign Foundation.
00:25:29.900And that includes those five that I just listed.
00:25:33.420Now, this could be and probably is if it's been going on for 20 years, something that began with, are you hiring gay people?
00:25:40.440Are you providing, you know, spousal or partner benefits for people who are in a gay relationship or marriage or committed relationship, whatever?
00:25:47.740That's I can understand that this is morphed into something very, very different.
00:25:53.580And the Bud Light partnership with Dylan shows it right shows just how far it's swung.
00:26:00.360We are not yet at the point where America's behind that.
00:26:04.640Two thirds of the American people do not agree with this Kelly Robinson that trans girls should be allowed to play trans sports.
00:26:15.160The majority of Americans are against that.
00:26:17.900And even of the, you know, percentage that say they're in favor, I'd love to know what they would actually do if it were their daughter.
00:26:24.680Right. I mean, it's like one thing when you tell the pollster it's something else when it's actually your kid.
00:26:28.540So I don't know, but it's a real problem.
00:26:30.640And I think the Bud Light moment is going to be an important one because that in particular, they misjudged the fan base that you got Kid Rocks fans out there.
00:26:40.240You know, Travis Tritt, he got rid of all the Bud Light on his tour.
00:26:44.080He said he knows a lot of other country Western stars, country music stars who are doing the same, who are just not being public about it.
00:26:50.380But it may not be the same as Oil of Olay because most women who use Oil of Olay are not on Twitter all day or TikTok or even aware of what the hell the brand is doing with Dylan.
00:27:00.800By the way, is TikTok's audience really like those women?
00:27:04.480You know, is it aren't they more like with the I don't know, the bum bum cream founder?
00:27:11.860Anyway, it leads me to my next question, which is speaking of the TikTok influencers.
00:27:15.360Emily, now this is apparently Joe Biden's re-election plan.
00:27:19.120We are being told that the White House is trying to curry favor with this group of influencers.
00:27:25.140They're teaming up with TikTok influencers to help tout Biden's record on social media, that his digital strategy is an army of influencers is the way Axios says it, because he needs to sort of connect with young people.
00:27:41.500It doesn't seem entirely stupid to me because his numbers with young people are great.
00:27:49.980He definitely does better than most Republicans with young people.
00:27:55.300And it's just like when you look at these the lists of some of these influencers in the Axios report, just deeply, deeply unserious political commentary.
00:28:04.100One of them is like a current NYU student.
00:28:05.880And I watched one of the videos was like unbelievably dumb.
00:28:09.900But at the same time, you can say there's a there's a case to be made that Republicans, conservatives are just completely behind the curve on this and should have their own influencer army of people going out to, you know, say, vote Trump or whatever it is, making dumb videos to get people to vote for Trump.
00:28:28.420Because maybe there's an argument that works with people on TikTok, maybe there's an argument that you can, like, inject yourself into the discourse more easily if you use TikTok.
00:28:36.340I don't think anybody should be using TikTok, period, but that's another conversation.
00:28:40.300So I actually see maybe there's an argument that they're just being smart.
00:28:44.420And there's they're they're also talking about bringing influencers in for potential daily White House briefings, which I don't think that's super smart, but maybe conservatives should be doing something similar.
00:29:08.340I mean, the young people want Joe Biden replaced.
00:29:10.580If you ask them who they want to be, the Democratic nominee, they say someone else, someone other than Joe Biden.
00:29:15.320But when it comes to the issues, they support him way more than they support the Republican Party.
00:29:21.260Abortion's been a huge motivator for the young vote.
00:29:24.020These social issues, you know, social and cultural issues like we're discussing, young people tend to lean more left.
00:29:30.900There was just a poll out over the weekend that showed that that was one of the areas in which liberals were beating.
00:29:35.280And conservatives, Democrats were beating Republicans by some three points.
00:29:38.460So he's trying to gin up that base, especially as we see some of his core constituency, namely Hispanics and some black voters migrate over to the Republican Party.
00:29:53.660The best part and the best detailing from that Axios piece that Emily alluded to is that they're considering having a briefing room for influencers, a special briefing room and a special briefing.
00:30:05.280But I think Biden is trying to do a little bit of a two step here ahead of announcing his reelection, which in itself is interesting that he hasn't announced he hasn't actually announced yet.
00:30:16.840The first is you do see him talking to the middle on some issues.
00:30:19.700He vetoed that the crazy D.C. crime bill where the counts, the D.C.
00:30:26.260City Council had overridden the mayor's veto and crime in in the District of Columbia is out of control.
00:30:32.140And Biden came in and supported the veto of that bill.
00:30:38.700And he rebuked the far left flank of his party in doing that.
00:30:42.860At the same time, you do see him courting.
00:30:45.560You know, Dylan Mulvaney has cozied up to the Biden administration.
00:30:49.580The Biden administration has used Dylan Mulvaney to get his message out.
00:30:52.600But they're trying to do both of these things at the same time because the vote of these young people who are the most unreliable voters but are ardent supporters of the Democratic Party is incredibly important to what is likely to be a pretty close election from where we see it now.
00:31:08.740Biden is weak on the Democratic side and young people like the rest of the Democratic Party would rather not have Biden atop the ticket.
00:31:20.820Their leading candidate is under indictment in New York.
00:31:24.420Whatever you think of the merits of the indictment, it's a pain in the butt to deal with that.
00:31:29.360And the rest of the field isn't, you know, right now looking like a bunch of a bunch of rock stars who are ready to defeat Biden.
00:31:36.580Well, and that's I mean, there is a real question about whether abortion is going to be the game changer in the next election, you know, whether what happened in the 2020, 2022 midterms is going to happen again when we get to the next presidential race.
00:31:52.640We have not yet had a presidential election post Dobbs.
00:31:55.400And, you know, I heard my pals over at commentary this morning talking about this, Emily, saying, you know, you got Ron DeSantis, who was about to sign a bill changing the abortion statute in Florida from, I think, 15 weeks to six, six.
00:32:09.860And I understand, you know, the pro-life audience is like, keep going, but it'd be nice for the pro-life audience, I'm sure, to win elections.
00:32:18.360And this could actually seriously impact Ron DeSantis's ability to do that on the national level.
00:32:26.240There's a big difference, especially for young women between 15 and six weeks.
00:32:31.000It's going to be really interesting to watch how the different Republicans handle that question.
00:32:36.640And Ron DeSantis, another issue young voters care about a lot is climate.
00:32:40.420I mean, that's one of their biggest priorities if you look at polling.
00:32:43.360And DeSantis is actually kind of interesting as a Republican, a little heterodox as a Republican on climate issues.
00:32:48.920But then on the abortion question, yeah, I have a different perspective on what's moral versus what's politically expedient.
00:32:55.320And there's just no way that six weeks is politically expedient.
00:32:58.740But the one way that can be, if Republican candidates want to stand by that, is to be completely unapologetic and bold about it.
00:33:07.360Because I work with young people a lot, and what they're missing, and they sort of have this fuzzy concept of it, is moral clarity.
00:33:15.880And if you talk to them about that, they've been brought up in this totally postmodern world.
00:33:20.900And when people come to them with something that is clear, you know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is pretty good about this.
00:33:27.580She's very bold and confident in what she believes is right.
00:35:25.380I mean, the left is talking about this truly like it, like these guys are Martin Luther King Jr.
00:35:29.340I mean, it's crazy the way they're making stars out of them.
00:35:32.140My team told me that they went from something like 20,000 followers on Twitter to 240,000 followers on Twitter.
00:35:37.680You're seeing all these media people talk about one of them marched through the streets with about a thousand people like that's how it's done.
00:36:27.200So this is Representative Pearson, who says we're now way more powerful than the NRA and won't say whether he's going to break the rules of decorum again once reinstalled on the floor of the Tennessee legislature.
00:37:40.120Just a few years back in 2016, here was Justin on camera speaking to potential followers at Bowdoin College.
00:37:51.040Hey, everybody, I'm Justin J. Pearson and I'm running for president of BSG.
00:37:56.200Dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative in order that we can reach a point of sort of the radical middle where conversation and dialogue happens and growth happens.
00:38:10.100Can you believe there was Peachy Keenan on Twitter, by the way?
00:38:44.980Yeah, he's getting a decent amount of engagement on social media.
00:38:48.820And what's amazing, this is a classic case of what we at the Federalists refer to as Selma Envy.
00:38:54.140One of our writers, Hans Feeney, came up with that, where it's just this deep desire to be a part of something meaningful and purposeful in a world that has none of it.
00:39:03.160So you just LARP, you put on a costume, you act, instead of actually doing something of similar substance.
00:39:13.820They put on this, like, I mean, they could call it an act of civil disobedience, but it was just a superficial bullhorn protest that democracy's greatest cheerleaders have suddenly decided is totally Democratic to disrupt Democratic proceedings.
00:39:30.340I maybe would have censored them before kicking them out, but like you, Megan, I'm not miffed by it.
00:39:34.100It doesn't bother me that much that they weren't just censured and instead were expelled.
00:39:38.100That's the political game that everybody plays.
00:39:41.120And to see the most sanctimonious people now championing these guys is unbelievable, but in some respects totally believable.
00:39:49.920Because when you have nothing real of substance to cling to, you just create nonsense and act like you're part of something more important.
00:39:58.600And in a sense, I mean, it's hilarious.
00:40:00.060I usually try not to laugh when you're playing sots, but I could not help it.
00:40:04.020Burst out into laughter on that one because the contrast is so stark and incredible.
00:40:08.160At the same time, though, it's really sad because there's so many people looking for meaning who have to find it in stupidity like this that's doing nothing to help the world.
00:42:26.900Although some conservative commentators have criticized Harris for not meeting with the families affected by last month's shooting at Nashville's Covenant School,
00:42:34.160a White House aide tells Playbook that the families were invited to Kamala Harris's speech,
00:42:42.180which was at one of those historically black community colleges or historically black colleges.
00:42:58.020So this I mean, the fact that Politico would offer this like that's a real thing, like screw you and your invitation to the grieving families that they need to get off of their couches and come to you.
00:43:13.760But this is what she needs to be celebrate for her last minute decision and taking control and how she threw out the speech that the staff gave to her, Eliana, because she's wanted to keep it simple.
00:43:24.080And if you watch her speech, she was fired up for the first time.
00:43:26.760We saw an actual, genuine, authentic Kamala because it was about race and woke ism and all that crap.
00:43:33.580And while looking for credit for saying to the families, you come to me and maybe I'll maybe I'll pat you on the head.
00:43:40.580I love that she wanted credit for her nimbleness and agility and just hopping on that private plane and getting down there and putting herself in the middle of the action all the while, you know, not being able to fit into her busy preaching schedule.
00:43:55.580I'm going to schedule a meeting with the families of the victims affected by this school shooting.
00:44:02.900It is all, I think, very on brand for Kamala Harris, who was one of the first candidates, if not the first to drop out of the 2020 primary.
00:44:11.120And is the reason I think as many Democrats as as do support Joe Biden's bid for reelection because they fear they will be left with Kamala Harris if Biden either, you know, takes a misstep and trips or anything happens to him or declares he's not running because she she is not a nimble political actor.
00:44:35.540Sure. This has definitely become a political issue for the left.
00:44:39.400They love this. And I think one of the reasons they love it, of course, Emily, is as they don't want to talk about the fact that a trans person went in there and murdered six Christian people, including three, three nine year olds.
00:44:49.960We immediately had to pivot to how the shooting by a trans person put trans people at risk.
00:44:56.940The real victims here were the trans people. Everybody's concerned about transgender people in Nashville.
00:45:02.140Well, not a word about the fact that maybe the Christians in Nashville and Christian schools are the people who were the victims here, that that they are at risk, that they were targeted for a reason.
00:45:14.480Got to remember, you know, the real victims here are the transgender community of Nashville.
00:45:19.460And the real villains, of course, are, as always, Republicans.
00:45:23.820Right. And I think that's why this is such a pathetic LARP, because and it's just stupid, because at the end of the day, the substance here,
00:45:30.980we're not even talking about it because the media is so easily distracted, like you dangle a shiny object in front of it and they're like a baby.
00:45:37.080They can't stop themselves from, you know, paying attention to that instead of the substance, which here is that the vast majority of gun violence in this country is illegal gun violence.
00:45:48.640That does not look at all like what happened in Nashville.
00:45:52.240The bills at hand have absolutely nothing to do with the vast majority of gun violence and gun deaths.
00:45:59.460And the Tennessee three don't actually want to deal with policies that would really start taking a chunk out of those problems.
00:46:07.280They don't want to talk about that. They don't want to deal with any of that.
00:46:10.600So they're doing what's easy and they're just going to play act and they're going to latch on to something so that they can have their Selma envy and pretend to be doing something that is deeply meaningful and substantive because they can't actually latch on to anything difficult because they don't really have the courage.
00:46:28.080They don't have the courage to take on the political issues that would actually matter.
00:46:32.360So they're pretending and they're acting like people in the past in our history that did have courage to make themselves feel courageous and like they have something real when they absolutely don't.
00:46:44.400And that's where I think this is just absolutely a tragic statement on the country, because when you peel back the layers, there's nothing there.
00:46:51.900Yeah. To me, it's infuriating because it's like your anti-gun agenda.
00:57:29.600I will say I appreciate Olivia, including information about Stormy Daniels, weird doll, Susan, who was featured in an episode of Kelly's Court.
00:58:44.960You might think it's all it's weird how so many of these conflicts come back to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal because the left has latched on to them as their excuses to build these like insane disproportionate cases against Donald Trump.
00:59:02.060Now, it is, though, amusing just from an outsider standpoint that these women are giving Donald Trump such a headache.
00:59:08.000And I mean, I just I find it absolutely hilarious that someone who has a doll named Susan that is apparently crying.
00:59:15.380You can sense this doll crying along with you while you're doing horoscopes with a reporter.
00:59:20.820That this is the person at the center of Donald Trump's so far, actually at the center of an unprecedented moment in American politics.
00:59:28.960She is not the hero we need, but truly the hero that we deserve at this point.
00:59:54.680Now, before we leave the topic of controversial women, can we spend a minute on Megan Rapinoe, who has decided to weigh in on whether biological men, trans women should be able to compete in female sports?
01:00:08.600Megan Rapinoe, one of the stars of the USA team, soccer team, women's soccer team.
01:00:15.120And she decided, along with Sue Bird, who's a former Olympian professional basketball player, to sign a petition trying to stop the Protection of Girls and Women in Sports Act.
01:00:28.040They've decided now that they're on the bench, Eliana, and not playing, to ruin sport for my daughter and yours and everybody else's out there.
01:00:38.860They've decided you're a bigot if you don't think that biological men should participate in sports like soccer.
01:00:49.120Like Megan Rapinoe would have ever given up her spot to a transgender player.
01:00:53.780And like she wouldn't have objected if she had to play a transgender player on the other team from Brazil or some other country who would have kicked the you know what out of her.
01:01:02.640This is where I've drawn the line of my swearing in professional play.
01:01:08.880Any professional male player, biologically male player, could absolutely crush the female player across from him, both athletically and physically, and it would be a danger.
01:01:16.880But she wants my daughter to go out there, who is a soccer player and happens to love people like Megan Rapinoe, because I don't inject my politics on sports athletes who she admires.
01:01:26.080She'd sick that person on my daughter in a New York second just to bonify her woke credentials and make herself look.
01:01:32.640Laudatory in the eyes of her colleagues.
01:01:37.720Like we've really come full circle on the feminism thing where we had the movement in the 1960s and 70s.
01:01:44.980And now today's feminists are arguing that really we need biological men competing in women's sports.
01:01:52.020And the, you know, the troglodyte right wing position is to say, no, this space should be reserved for women.
01:01:59.160You know, that's an argument that feminists once would have made.
01:02:03.280And Megan, I'm sure you and I are old enough to remember, and maybe Emily, there was a huge deal about Title IX and carving out space for women's sports and having a separate space for women to compete in athletics that was separate from men.
01:02:17.560And now the women who, because of these rules, have risen to the height, to the heights of fame in this country, to the top of their professions, are re-erecting those boundaries to say, no, we're going to put men back in and take away the space for female athletics that allowed us to reach the fame and fame and fortune.
01:02:43.440It's true. And, you know, Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird, from what I can tell, have a lot of medals and a lot of money.
01:02:50.720And you know what they don't have? Daughters.
01:02:53.040So they can take a seat because those of us who do and need to worry about their safety and their fair play object to your desire to push men into women's sports.
01:03:04.400And I don't give a damn, and most people don't, what you call me or others who feel as I do.
01:03:10.560I will fight you. I will fight you tooth and nail as you try to endanger my child and take away her fair shot at a medal, at winning, at the wonderful feeling of crossing the finish line first or winning in a fair game,
01:03:26.480which Megan Rapinoe benefited from and Sue Bird benefited from.
01:03:30.940But again, to assuage their own colleagues, their own fan base, they now want a different rule.
01:03:37.120They want a different rule from my kid than they had to play under. It's disgusting.
01:03:41.560And by the way, what does this act do? It seeks to clarify Title IX by classifying athletes by biology.
01:03:47.940That's it. It seeks to say sex, meaning male or female, means what we think it means.
01:03:53.920It doesn't include what you identify as, Emily. I think they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
01:03:58.700They should be. It's completely regressive and backwards.
01:04:01.500And as Eliana notes, it's not just sports that the women's movement, the second wave of feminism fought for.
01:04:07.200They fought for separate spaces in general. They fought for women's bathrooms.
01:04:11.460They fought for women's locker rooms. They fought for women's categories like best actress, best female artist, all of these things so that women would achieve.
01:04:20.900And, you know, maybe they don't make perfect sense in the actor-actors category.
01:04:24.860But when you're looking at things like separate spaces, women's shelters, these are accomplishments for the women's movement that are now being completely yanked away by people whose success is built on a fairer system.
01:04:36.820And one question I always make sure to ask any time I interview an athlete who's, you know, Riley Gaines.
01:04:43.040Last time I talked to her, when I talked to the two Connecticut track athletes who have been on the losing side of this.
01:04:52.460Every time I talk to them, I ask them one question.
01:04:54.380Are people's scholarships being affected by this?
01:04:57.140Because the left purports to care about income inequality.
01:04:59.920They purport to care about the middle class.
01:05:02.220But actually what this does is take elite interests and then subjugate working class girls who are getting or middle class girls who are using scholarships to get an education so that they don't have to go into tens of thousands of dollars of debt because of the government's dumb subsidies.
01:05:17.000Subsidies the left is supported for years.
01:05:18.800So it's completely regressive on so many different layers.
01:05:26.720It's just you can keep going down and it's completely backwards.
01:05:29.960But people like Megan Rapinoe have absolutely no incentive to stop saying this nonsense, anti-woman stuff because the media cheerleads them.
01:05:39.960That small group of people in the media believe the exact same way.
01:05:43.140And it puts them at odds with the rest of the country and just sows further division instead of allowing us to just turn the page on the stupid, stupid backwards chapter.
01:06:43.660We the same people who are running Bud Light Marketing are running our universities.
01:06:48.860OK, you know, at the Free Beacon, we've spent the past three, four years reporting on these controversies that have overtaken the top law schools in the country.
01:06:57.900We're producing the best federal judges, Supreme Court justices, Yale Law School, Stanford Law School.
01:07:03.480We've gotten a close up look at who the administrators are at these schools.
01:07:07.540It just happened at Stanford Law School where an administrator there got up, took the mic from a federal judge and asked the federal judge, who was an invited guest of the Stanford Law School, to consider whether the juice was worth the squeeze of the harm that he was causing by hurting the feelings of transgender activists in the audience.
01:07:27.100And by the way, they took issue with the fact that this federal judge had denied the motion of a transgender.
01:07:35.900Defendant to be called by female pronouns, they were incredibly aggrieved by this and shouted the judge down as a result of this and the Stanford University administrator intervened on the behalf of these protesters.
01:07:48.060So that is who's right. Can I just say, can I just add something to that and that the transgender inmate that the judge refused to acknowledge the chosen pronouns of if memory serves was a convicted pedophile?
01:08:00.140And yet this is the poster child for the activist cause.
01:08:04.460You will call the pedophile by the pronouns of choice or you will be shouted down at Stanford Law.
01:08:10.480Keep going. And and you will sit in jail with the pedophile or you will sleep next to this man at a women's shelter after you were just abused by a man.
01:08:21.560And that's exactly what you're running from. It's just so progressive.
01:08:29.360Those are the people who are running the country's top universities who are blocking Riley Gaines on Twitter.
01:08:36.880And it's no wonder that to see the quality of and the way of think ways of thinking of the people running our university, who, again, I'm going to come full circle here, are the same people who are in senior management positions at top corporations and companies across the country.
01:08:56.840Harvard University graduate, the the Bud Light marketing woman.
01:09:00.380Exactly. There was an article not long ago, early April, April is this dated April 2nd, New York Post at the lower level, not not yet college was happening more and more in high schools.
01:09:11.140And Project Veritas under James O'Keefe did a great job of calling attention to some of this Massachusetts school superintendent candidate says his job offer was rescinded after he addressed two women on the school's committee in an email as ladies.
01:09:24.720He emailed two women and began the email with ladies and then went on from there and they rescinded his offer.
01:09:31.880It was a microaggression. You see, Emily, and you're not allowed in their weird Massachusetts world to refer to two women as ladies like I, I don't know people who would be offended by that.
01:09:45.560I think I may have called you gals, ladies at some point in this podcast. It doesn't it. Who who in their right mind finds that kind of thing so offensive that they pull a guy's job offer?
01:09:57.720Well, and it's the same thing. You can't say guys. You can't say ladies. You can't use gendered terms at all. And if you look back at universities, you can find this stuff as long as like 10 years ago.
01:10:09.720It was like the university. I forget. I shouldn't say because I forget the specific case study. But one of the universities put out this insane guide back in 2015 that sort of blew people's minds.
01:10:19.320But even then, it had already been happening for like at least five years. These microaggressions had started to become really mainstream.
01:10:26.120And some of these theories had started to sort of move from the fringes of academia into the bureaucracies where they were being taught as the only acceptable sort of guide and manual to interpersonal relationships at the universities.
01:10:37.640All that is to say this isn't going away anytime soon. There were a bunch of articles just last year about the so-called vibe shift.
01:10:45.360And I bought into it a little bit and I still do. You know, that there is at least on the surface level, there is something changing.
01:10:51.140Like you have Bill Maher going on rants against wokeness and you have all of these people that are increasingly comfortable sort of speaking out against the far left excesses of it.
01:11:01.040But the problem is you have a generation of people my age and a little bit older and a little bit younger who have been taught nothing else.
01:11:08.860They've been taught this is the bedrock of interpersonal communications, interpersonal conduct.
01:11:14.460And so that's imported into the workforce now. And it's not you can't just pull it up.
01:11:18.720It's like deeply rooted into their concepts of what's right and wrong, because the universities, you know, first of all, they got rid of truth.
01:11:26.980You know, it all became relative or truth was a white supremacist concept.
01:11:30.480Another thing that's actually taught at certain universities. So once you get rid of all of that bedrock, they planted this new foundation really, really deep.
01:11:37.920And you can't just, you know, say there's a vibe shift and it'll go away.
01:11:41.480It is going away a little bit, but it's never going to go away for a very, very long time.
01:11:46.000It's going to we're going to be dealing with this for decades to come, not just years to come, because this is very deeply rooted in their sense of self, their sense of morality.
01:11:54.000We're in big trouble for years to come because it was happening under everybody's noses.
01:11:57.900This is why the two frontrunners for the GOP nomination are the most outwardly un-woke, anti-woke warriors in GOP, in the GOP field.
01:12:12.720Right. I mean, and Vivek, you mentioned Vivek. He's definitely anti-woke, too.
01:12:17.200He's not one of the frontrunners, but I'm just saying, like, there's no accident that he was attracted to the GOP and is running as a Republican.
01:12:22.220Um, they're sick of it, Eliana. I think normal people are sick of this.
01:12:28.520Ladies and you're you're fired. You know, you lose your job opportunity.
01:12:33.440You get blocked as a biological woman who gets physically attacked for sending out a tweet about what was done to you.
01:12:41.420The university statement apologizes to your attackers.
01:12:46.620A trans person shoots up a Christian school, including three nine year olds, to death.
01:12:51.800And the left turns it into a story about how the trans community is under attack.
01:13:00.900Megan, it goes so far beyond not being able to say, hey, guys or hello, ladies.
01:13:06.440Um, while you were talking, I just Googled the, uh, the Stanford Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative, which when this got news covered, Stanford, Stanford had to pull it back.
01:13:16.520But, um, don't say basket case because it originally referred to one who has lost all four limbs and needed to be carried around in a basket.
01:15:07.400And yet we are seeing some defense of it.
01:15:09.520Um, the Dispatch today, which is, you know, Jonah Goldberg's publication, Steve Hayes, they put it in their newsletter as presented without comment.
01:15:56.660Uh, the Dalai Lama is a very playful human being.
01:15:59.940And we may see this in a weird kind of gross sexualized way.
01:16:06.240But this is about as sexual as a bowl of plain rice.
01:16:09.600There is nothing sexual or erotic or erotic happening in this encounter.
01:16:13.480As you can see by the reaction of the people who were there, this was clearly something that was at best, you know, insensitive to how this would be seen by a large swath of the world population.
01:17:00.380I mean, that really was not funny in any way whatsoever.
01:17:03.520I'm embarrassed for him to have said that on television.
01:17:06.100It's going to age very poorly because, as you said, Megan, there needs to be an investigation into whether something deeper has happened behind closed doors because this looks like something that is extremely alarming.
01:17:34.500To sit back in your little comfy chair on a CNN panel and make that determination for the child, this is just like a really, really disgusting place to go.
01:17:46.320And, again, I suspect it may not age well because maybe there's more that we're going to learn under the surface of this.
01:18:00.980Maybe, but I just have a hard time believing that and at least think that somebody should be digging deeper now because, you know, if it is a one-off, that's very, it seems to me that would be an exceptional case.
01:18:13.940How dare he try to normalize this obviously sexual encounter between the Dalai Lama and this young boy?
01:18:22.500It was an exploitation by the Dalai Lama of a young boy who didn't know any better.
01:18:27.140And you could see the boy looked uncomfortable when the Dalai Lama asked him to suck his tongue.
01:18:31.840I'm told that in Tibet it is usual, it is common for people to stick their tongues out at other people.
01:18:38.260It doesn't mean what it means over here.
01:18:40.340That's not an unusual practice as it is here.
01:18:42.800Sucking somebody else's tongue, I'm told, is not usual at all.
01:18:47.040And what the Dalai Lama did was inarguably inappropriate, Eliana, to the point where the Dalai Lama had to come out and apologize.
01:18:54.740The international community was horrified by what they saw there.
01:18:58.160It's stunning to me that there's any hesitancy to call it out for what it is.
01:19:08.960This is something that the Dalai Lama has already come out and indicated wasn't right.
01:19:14.120And what raised my spidey sense was if this is something that he's comfortable doing in public, it does raise some questions about what is happening in the places that we can't see.
01:19:25.120Because it is a very strange and abusive thing to do to a child in the public eye.
01:19:31.840But apparently he didn't anticipate the blowback of that.
01:19:34.820And that raises, I think, a lot of other concerning questions.
01:20:06.200The answer to this problem is not presented without comment.
01:20:09.080The answer is you comment, you condemn, and you make sure we of the sane and rational minds hold a hard line against this kind of behavior.
01:20:18.320Or you get more of it, Emily, or you get more of it.
01:20:21.080We are seeing tiny buds of this on far corners now in our discussion, though.
01:21:03.540They're very serious academics with some traction in leftist fringe circles who are now making some of the same arguments we saw made about gender identity, but in minor attracted persons language, where they're sugarcoating and attempting to destigmatize pedophilia in an effort, they say, to help people better deal with it and thus eradicate it.
01:21:24.900Get it out of the get it, you know, make people less likely to act on it, which is a ridiculous and disgusting argument.
01:21:32.440We've already seen the results, the fruits of those efforts in other corners of society.
01:21:45.540And it'll again bring us to just examples exactly like this one.
01:21:49.860And I think, by the way, when your sort of faith isn't rooted in this idea that people are bad, inherently fallen, that we are all sinful, it makes it really easy to get caught up in looking at someone like the Dalai Lama, who you've had really profound spiritual experiences with, as he was saying, and just not believe it.
01:22:07.960You don't believe it because you have way too rosy of a perspective on human beings.
01:22:15.580They just don't understand human nature.
01:22:17.560They think they can cure it somehow by changing to these totally Orwellian, to Eliana's point, terms like minor attracted persons that de-stigmatize something that deserves intense stigma.
01:22:29.280A healthy society stigmatizes pedophilia.
01:22:45.280More with Emily and Eliana after this.
01:22:47.560Over across the pond, the UK's Channel 4 has decided it would be a great idea in the spirit of sex education and talking openly with teens and tweens about what's coming their way through puberty, etc.,
01:23:06.380to put a bunch of naked adults in front of them so they can check out the naked adults' normal bodies and just everyone's going to be super normal.
01:24:01.560I guess you can get on beginning at age 14.
01:24:05.560For the listening audience, they were fully grown adults, male and female, completely butt naked right in front of the kids, full frontal nudity standing there just lined up against one another for four of them, I think.
01:24:18.560And they say the show is about body positivity.
01:24:21.560The program aired in Britain last week, they say they're going to discuss things like the first topic was body hair, talking about when they developed pubic hair, how much they shave and so on and so forth.
01:24:38.560I, Emily, thoughts on whether this is a this is going to encourage body positivity and or anything else.
01:24:46.560I have no idea what the consequences of this will be, other than completely messing up these children, like, traumatically, even if they seem like they're just nodding along happily.
01:24:58.560Because when you think about it, one of the more disturbing elements is how many layers of sort of bureaucratic control something like this has to go through until it hits the public.
01:25:06.560Think of all of the production, the people who commissioned this, the parents of the children, everyone who just said, yeah, this is a good idea.
01:25:17.560Let's go ahead with it. And then it hits the public. I mean, so many people had to be behind that effort.
01:25:22.560And nobody thought to say, maybe let's pause.
01:25:26.560Maybe people did and they got kicked out and, you know, were unsuccessful.
01:25:29.560But think about all of the people who were just comfortable participating in this.
01:25:33.560It's really hard for children with developing brains to process the consequences of this at the moment.
01:25:39.560You know, that's we all know that they might think something is fine and cool and edgy in the moment.
01:25:44.560Ten years down the road, 20 years down the road, which we're not even thinking about.
01:25:48.560As a as an adult, you look back and realize that your brain wasn't fully developed and that that really had an effect on your relationship with the opposite sexist body or your relationship with sexuality in general, because it's abnormal.
01:26:02.560It's not normal. It shouldn't be normalized.
01:26:05.560And these poor kids are now blasted all over the Internet forever having this experience.
01:26:11.560It's true. Like what what parent would put their child on set like two feet away from some some random stranger's naked penis and cameras, let that be their first exposure to a naked man or a naked woman.
01:26:24.560And by the way, that doesn't even account for the children at home who are channel surfing, looking for Britain's Got Talent's latest performance and stumble across naked people.
01:26:37.560I don't really know where to begin with this, except with the parents and what the hell were they thinking here?
01:26:45.560There is something so there is something sort of pornographic about it.
01:26:50.560And I don't know, like, call me old school.
01:26:52.560You know, when I was growing up, it was before everything was on the Internet, but it was like kids used to like sneak Playboy magazines behind lockers.
01:27:00.560And like, you know, that that's good enough.
01:27:04.560Like this is not, you know, the real the real nuts and bolts of sex are never weren't learned in sex education in sixth grade.
01:27:12.560OK, and so I really do question the benefit of like all of this adult teaching children about this stuff.
01:27:19.560That's just not it is not a reflection of the way the real world works.
01:27:23.560Can I tell you, too, like I've seen enough B-roll of those ugly naked bottoms.
01:27:30.560So it also has like it has the weird effect of I realize, yes, there's Playboy.
01:27:35.560Doug used to tell me that he and his buddies would steal the Playboy off of whatever their dads or somebody's dad's, you know, yeah.
01:27:41.560And they used to text. I guess Playboy was always eighty eight pages and they used to just text each other, not text, but like call or say to the other other person, eighty eight pages.
01:27:50.560And then they'd know that somebody had gotten their hands on a Playboy.
01:27:53.560That's the American way. That's the old fashioned way. That's the way it should happen.
01:27:57.560But as a as a young girl, I never saw a male naked body until it was by choice in an appropriately sexual situation where, you know, I was intentionally seeing the male naked body.
01:28:11.560I wouldn't want to see that fat, hairy, disgusting man in front of me as representative of what my future held.
01:28:17.560I'd probably go asexual. You're like depriving these young people, Emily, of the opportunity to discover all of this for themselves in a what can be a totally magical, great, exciting, nerve wracking, but fulfilling setting.
01:28:33.560Why do I want to look at somebody's disgusting cellulite ridden back yard with a hairy front?
01:28:39.560I don't want to see that as my future if I'm a 14 year old girl sitting there.
01:28:44.560Really, Megan, I think like this stuff is supposed to happen in private spaces and so much with social media and other things in our culture is dragging out what was once happening in private spaces out into the public.
01:28:59.560And this is not only in a classroom, but then broadcast on television.
01:29:02.560And it is not right. Like private things, including sex and the discovery of sex should be private.
01:29:08.560And it really should be left to parents to decide, you know, some parents don't talk to their kids about this stuff at all.
01:29:13.560Other parents talk to their kids about it all the time. It should be up to parents how to educate their children about this.
01:29:20.560But like, keep it private and appropriate.
01:29:25.560I wonder what Camille Polly would say about this, because, you know, the wonderful philosopher, art critic, writer, because to your point, Megan and Eliana, this stuff is typically done in private.
01:29:36.560It's human nature. There's a reason for that.
01:29:38.560And there's something about the mystery of sex that's incredibly powerful and intoxicating for men and women and to completely demystify sex.
01:29:51.560Polly has written about when Hollywood had the code and how Hollywood movies were so much sexier when they had to obey different rules because they really had to work to make sexual dynamics appealing and interesting and entertaining and intriguing.
01:30:06.560And when you demystify all of that, she's written by the Kardashians, for example, just being completely bare, but all of that stuff, you're really taking the mystery out of sex in a way that's harmful, not just to the culture, but for people who later have to experience it.
01:30:22.560And for kids, first of all, to see this, like this is on another level of insanity, obviously, and danger and all of that.
01:30:31.560But just imagine growing up in a culture that has demystified sex to this point where you're seeing basically bare butts.
01:30:38.560Lizzo just posted a naked photo. When you're seeing all of this, you're inundated with it.
01:30:43.560Our relationship and younger people's relationships with with sex and sexuality are absolutely going to be hurt by this for, you know,
01:30:54.560So can I give you a defense of it, Eliana?
01:30:56.560There was an op ed published in the UK's Independent by a woman named Katie Edwards.
01:31:02.560She writes, we can all get puritanical about it and say that there's never an appropriate context for teenagers to see naked adult bodies.
01:31:09.560Teenagers is like as if they're all 18 and not 14.
01:31:12.560And there is a difference as the mother of a 13 year old. Significant between those.
01:31:16.560We can willfully block out reality and pretend that teenagers are innocents who know nothing of real naked bodies or issues around sex, sexuality and consent.
01:31:26.560Our kids are taught that child sized waists alongside large, perfectly smooth round buttocks are not only normal, but desirable.
01:31:36.560No wonder body dysmorphic disorder is increasing among teenagers.
01:31:39.560That's the reality for kids today. That's what's considered normal.
01:31:43.560Naked education might be a bit of a gimmick.
01:31:45.560It might not even be it might not be everyone's cup of tea.
01:31:48.560But isn't there something positive to be gained in having conversations about real bodies, body image, sex and consent?
01:31:55.560Isn't it important to discuss how many of the normalized body grooming behaviors such as women's removal of body hair beyond the head and eyes have been imported from pornography and what this means for young people's sense of self worth.
01:32:10.560Did you know that you were shaving your legs because of the patriarchy?
01:32:13.560Did you understand that's what had happened?
01:32:17.560Anyway, forget that last bit of feminist offering.
01:32:20.560But what about her defense of real bodies?
01:32:23.560They already seen that fake Kim Kardashian bottom out there like it's real and it's a lie.
01:32:28.560Why not show them real people and disabuse them of those notions?
01:32:32.560Well, the article posits that this would be an interesting discussion to have, and I think that that's fine.
01:32:39.560You know, it's a fine discussion to have.
01:32:41.560But I I don't think I object to the idea that to combat body dysmorphia and to realize that the idealized version of the female body is not exactly what what each one of us.
01:32:53.560And I say this as, you know, I'm not Stormy Daniels over here trotting around, you know, but that like you don't need to see people naked to realize that.
01:33:05.560I think it's sort of a ridiculous argument.
01:33:07.560And there's plenty of conversation to be had without trotting out for naked adults in front of children.
01:33:12.560And she said, like, oh, let's not pretend 14 year olds are are so innocent.
01:33:16.560Nobody's pretending that like it's totally I think it is for each parent to decide how permissive they want to be with their kids.
01:33:24.560But like, you know, your husband, Megan, was texting 88 to his friends.
01:33:28.560Like, of course, this is what the kids are doing and what they've always been done.
01:33:31.560But there is a certain propriety that like they've got to sneak behind their parents' backs to do it.
01:33:36.560And that this is not this is not a society sanctioned thing.
01:33:43.560And, you know, both when you discover it in the pages of Playboy and when you really do it, like we don't sanction people having sex in parking lots and office buildings.
01:33:52.560Yeah. And there and also like the weirdness that the normalization, Emily, of having a naked man stand in front of your minor child, you know, like we we don't need to normalize inappropriate behavior.
01:34:04.560Yeah. Like it's the same thing as saying, yes, you should have a discussion with your child as you feel best.
01:34:09.560Not a TV station, but you should have a discussion with your child about sexual norms as opposed to letting them watch Hollywood.
01:34:16.560Fine, fine. But that's like saying you should just put your kid and like take them to watch people have sex.
01:34:23.560It's like that's the equivalent of that argument. It is idiotic and stupid, let alone the fact that you're rolling cameras and broadcasting this to a national now international audience.
01:34:33.560And it's just stupid and wrong. Right.
01:34:37.560I'm going to have to ask Doug exactly how they communicated 88 pages because he like I grew up in the 80s before texting.
01:34:42.560So it must have just been like a phone call must have been like alert, red alert, 88.
01:34:46.560I was always 88 or was just their favorite, their favorite edition of I don't know.
01:34:51.560I'll find out. I'm sure he remembers perfectly, Megan.
01:34:54.560Great to see you, ladies. It's been a pleasure.