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00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Hope you had a good weekend.

00:00:17.020 Today, it seems like all anyone can talk about is this.

00:00:21.960 Sleeping and hopping on a moon. Shadow. Shadow. Shadow. Shadow. Shadow. Yes, that's better than

00:00:29.440 the total eclipse of the heart. All anyone can talk about is the solar eclipse and we

00:00:34.680 are part of it. Are you, to get all nerdy for a minute, in the path of totality?

00:00:40.400 It's a whole thing, so we're going to have to get into it. Plus, we'll bring you former

00:00:44.120 President Trump's big announcement on, quote, abortion rights this morning. Just that term

00:00:48.880 is getting him some blowback from the right. And new reporting on his potential VP selection.

00:00:54.140 Is he getting closer? We have a name. We'll tell you what the speculation is.

00:00:57.980 Joining me now for the full show, our friends Stu Bergeer, host of Blaze TV's Stu Does America,

00:01:04.480 and Dave Marcus, columnist for Daily Mail, Fox News, and other outlets.

00:01:10.240 Stu and Dave, are you ready? Are you ready for the darkness?

00:01:14.060 Oh, yeah. I'm in the path of totality, Megan. I've got the fancy glasses.

00:01:18.880 Just right here. Pop them on at any time. I'm ready to go.

00:01:22.600 I can't see anything. I mean, when you have them on inside, you literally cannot see anything.

00:01:26.960 I think they're going to do some better things outside when you're actually looking at the sun.

00:01:31.980 I'm just going to look at it like Trump did.

00:01:37.060 I think it's fine.

00:01:38.060 Did you guys, did you make a thing out of the one we went through in 17?

00:01:43.340 No.

00:01:44.200 I remember it coming and not really thinking it was that big of a deal and then realizing it apparently

00:01:49.260 had never happened in my entire life. And I guess it, I mean, it is a pretty cool thing.

00:01:53.940 I remember seeing the little crescent shadows that year. You could see from, which is really,

00:01:59.920 really strange. It's definitely a cool thing. My kids are fascinated by it. I mean, they were

00:02:03.720 excited to get the glasses. They were looking at the sun today before the eclipse with the glasses

00:02:07.600 on, which is the only way you should really ever look at the sun. It is, it is pretty amazing,

00:02:12.120 but my big prediction for it is I think it's going to get slightly darker for about four minutes and

00:02:17.340 then it's going to pass. Is it just me? I feel like, I feel like path of totality sounds like

00:02:25.060 a 1970s cult, like the path of totality, not one of the suicidal ones, but sort of like

00:02:31.420 back to nature and don't get your hair cut. But there might be like group sex going on.

00:02:37.440 Yeah. That's your path. We did Abby and I and a gal who worked for me, Emily Jeffers,

00:02:44.320 we all did the eclipse on the top of the NBC building. Wasn't it? Do we remember to what did

00:02:49.620 we, were we excited by the eclipse? I can't remember. There we are. Well, I mean, look at

00:02:56.160 Abby really leaning in. She's like the head fully back there taken in the eclipse. I don't remember

00:03:01.200 I, my kids, they watched it with their Nana out at the beach. I don't remember being blown away by it,

00:03:09.180 but I do think it's important to like make it a thing. I love just the thought of like,

00:03:14.320 this connection where the whole nation gets together and gets excited about something.

00:03:18.100 And then we all talk about it, whether it's a huge sporting event or an eclipse, or, you know,

00:03:22.420 in a couple of years, we're going to have the country's, uh, 250th anniversary, but it's our

00:03:28.640 birthday is coming up to a 50th. That's big. We should all be doing. I like the idea of like,

00:03:33.220 it's a thing. The nation comes together for it.

00:03:35.900 It's good that so far we haven't been divided by it. I mean, nobody's called the eclipse racist yet

00:03:40.700 on social media. I mean, it might come, but so far. Yeah. I I'm all for that.

00:03:47.240 It's only white privilege that allows people to enjoy, you know, while other people are suffering

00:03:51.540 around the world, white privilege allows people to enjoy. Yeah. There you go.

00:03:55.100 Totality down in there in Texas with all your white privilege. So you, are you just going to go

00:03:59.840 like in your backyard, Stu, to get the whole, cause I do think it's cool to see the total eclipse.

00:04:04.040 Yeah, I, I, I'm actually kind of into it. I mean, I, I'm going to be in the middle of a taping

00:04:08.180 when that happens and we're just, I'm just going to stop the taping and walk outside.

00:04:11.480 Like I just, I want to see it. I did buy the stupid glasses. I've got them on. I, I, my kids are,

00:04:17.220 you know, get a period of school. They're all taking out and walking outside. And like the city,

00:04:22.540 I will say the scene around here is a little strange. I mean, thousands and thousands of

00:04:26.200 people are coming into the path and we're in Dallas. So it's, you know, it's a lot of people

00:04:30.500 who are traveling here to see it. And it, everybody, I haven't been out in a while, but it was,

00:04:35.780 the clouds were gathering this morning. It was clear all weekend and the clouds were gathering.

00:04:40.340 The predictions are, it's going to be too cloudy to really see anything, which there's a hotel

00:04:44.920 around here that was charging $3,600 a night for people to come into town to watch the eclipse.

00:04:52.080 And then they're very likely going to be staring at the bottom of a bunch of clouds. So I don't know,

00:04:57.300 there's something revealing about that. Oh no. We're only supposed to get 90%.

00:05:01.520 We're in Connecticut. We could have driven five hours to Northern Vermont to have seen the total

00:05:06.180 thing in Burlington, but we didn't, we have to do the show. The kids have school, but we are going

00:05:12.680 to, I'm pulling them out of school just a little early, just like a half an hour. They're going to

00:05:16.760 miss like afterschool sports basically so that we can watch it together. And I think we're in

00:05:21.140 Connecticut, we're going to get 92% block out, which is that's, I realize it's not total. There was a

00:05:26.360 guy on the daily this morning, the New York times podcast, really shaming those of us who are

00:05:30.180 settling for less on totality, but yeah, we're going to do what we can. I don't know. What about

00:05:36.200 you, Dave? You're in West Virginia, right? Where are you guys? Yeah, we're going to, we, we, we're

00:05:39.640 getting like 89. Cause I was talking to one guy at seven 11 today who, I mean, he was very excited.

00:05:44.580 Um, I was, I was, I was a little surprised, which is funny. Cause this is like the second time that

00:05:49.780 I've been surprised at seven 11 by a guy being excited. Cause the other night there was a guy who was

00:05:54.260 like super excited about the women's basketball game. And I'm like, what's going on at the seven 11 now?

00:05:59.540 It's all about like women's basketball and like solar phenomenon, but he was very excited. I would

00:06:04.980 think what I might do, if I remember, maybe I'll send an alarm and I think about it. If I remember,

00:06:09.300 I might put my cat on the back deck to like, see if she freaks out. I think she probably won't

00:06:16.160 cause it's not really her nature, but what? No, that what protect the cat. I, what's the cat's

00:06:22.620 name? You told me about this on Twitter. Bagheera exchange. Bagheera. Yes, that's right.

00:06:26.560 Bagheera. Protect her from what? Well, look here. You mentioned Trump from this. Here's

00:06:32.080 this video from 2017. There he is. Look, look, no. There's Melania with the proper, well,

00:06:41.680 at least some sort of, uh, protect there. Now he's got the protective lenses on. This is the way to

00:06:47.160 look at it through the glasses, not just straight up. Do not go the first way with Bagheera.

00:06:51.840 All right. I'll let you know how it goes. I thought one of the interesting things on the,

00:06:56.920 on the eclipse was to figure out how much to terrify my children about staring at the sun,

00:07:02.160 because I was like, you don't want them to look and ruin their eyes, but probably, I mean,

00:07:07.120 you saw what Trump did. Probably that's not going to do much of anything. I doubt his vision is any

00:07:11.520 worse from what he did there, but I did build it up to my kids. Then basically the eyes, their eyes

00:07:16.840 are going to burn out of their skulls. If they looked at it for just a second to try to terrify them

00:07:20.860 into the correct behavior. I don't know if that's good parenting or bad parenting,

00:07:24.380 but it's what I went with. I don't, they say, first of all, if you damage your eyes,

00:07:28.200 it's permanent. Like the cells that will be damaged, don't come back. So I, that's serious,

00:07:32.120 but is it worse than just looking at the sun on a regular day? Like I thought the damages,

00:07:37.660 like we, we all know you're not supposed to look at the sun. It's extremely powerful and hurts your

00:07:41.020 eyes, but like, is it especially bad the day of an eclipse or is it just that you're more tempted

00:07:47.520 to linger because something really cool is happening up there? Yeah. I think it doesn't

00:07:51.300 hurt. Right. So it doesn't like, you don't shy away. And I think also your, your, your, uh, you

00:07:55.880 know, your eyeballs open up when it gets dark to try to gather in more. Uh, so I think that affects

00:08:01.740 it as well. As you can tell, I'm pretty much a scientist on this. So you can definitely take that

00:08:04.780 Dr. Stu, I have a question. Um, so Dr. Stu, prior to the invention of these plastic, uh, glasses that

00:08:14.000 allow us to witness a solar eclipse, how did human beings for thousands of years know about solar

00:08:20.460 eclipses without everybody having gone blind? Dave, they all thought the world was ending.

00:08:25.580 That's what happened. They all were standing there in the middle of the day, but they didn't go blind

00:08:29.460 and get, well, they, because they were running for their lives. That's what was happening. I, I,

00:08:34.580 we, we look back at these poor people thousands of years ago and they're like, Oh, I can't believe

00:08:37.800 they thought the world was ending. Of course they did. That's a, that's what I would have thought too.

00:08:42.060 It just got dark in the middle of the day for no reason. That's what I would think.

00:08:45.940 They thought it was end of days. Well, here is what you can actually, uh, expect. This is courtesy

00:08:50.880 again of the New York times, the daily podcast today, which featured Mr. Eclipse, Fred Espinak,

00:08:57.880 retired astrophysicist and eclipse chaser. Watch this. Maybe about a minute before the total eclipse

00:09:07.100 began, we noticed strange patterns on the ground beneath us on the grassy field that we were on,

00:09:14.580 these ripples racing across the field. And these are something called shadow bands.

00:09:19.980 They look a lot like the rippling patterns that you would see on the bottom of a swimming pool,

00:09:29.280 bands of light and dark and moving very quickly across the ground. And along one edge of the moon

00:09:35.200 is this bright bead of sunlight because that's the last remaining piece of the sun before it becomes

00:09:41.440 total. And this is the diamond ring effect because you've got the ring of the corona. When you see this

00:09:48.320 all transpire, you can easily understand how people thought this was the end of the world

00:09:54.160 because it seems far outside of the realms of nature. It seems supernatural. I think it's a sense of,

00:10:02.160 of belonging, belonging to this incredible universe, both belonging and a humbleness.

00:10:10.720 I like that. It's, that's something we can all relate to. And that taps into my own reasons for

00:10:18.140 watching it too. Um, I don't know if we're going to get exactly the same sensation. We partial eclipse

00:10:23.080 people. Uh, but it's, it's a cool thing to think about. I'll, I'll tell you this too.

00:10:30.520 Astrology from the, from the magazine astrology. Uh, this is actually from the magazine,

00:10:35.780 the cut that's about astrology for literally thousands of years. Eclipses have portended

00:10:41.860 large scale metamorphosis status quo shakedowns shifts in authority and power and collective

00:10:51.160 transformation. The eclipse could be a sign that Donald Trump is going to win shifts in authority

00:10:58.620 and power and collective transformation. They say, uh, astrologers believe that eclipses have the power

00:11:07.140 to change the course of history, that events that coincide with eclipses are literally written in

00:11:14.100 the stars. And none other than Donald Trump is taking advantage of that very possibility with his

00:11:21.240 own eclipse themed election ad, which has made Canadian Debbie laugh harder than anything we've

00:11:29.460 seen on this show in recent history. Take a look.

00:11:51.240 You tell me, Dave Marcus, I saw that. And I said to my team, this is going to be a

00:12:21.220 this is why he's going to win. It, it's a very good ad. That was also a very good segment from

00:12:26.560 the daily. I'm going to, as soon as we get the break, I'm texting the guys at morning wire. Like

00:12:30.460 I want background music. That was, that, that, that, that was, that was an impressive, uh,

00:12:35.140 segment. I really liked, they did a nice, they liked all of that. I have to give kudos.

00:12:39.220 Yeah. I am. No, they, they, they, they do a great job. I mean, look, yeah, no, you're right. I mean,

00:12:43.660 look, Trump, Trump's a lot of fun. He knew he had this moment from the last time. And I look,

00:12:47.700 I'm sure he knew when he did it the last time that everybody was going to jump on social media

00:12:52.480 and be like, he looked, he looked. Um, no, it's, it's, it's good. It's fun. And I think that as

00:13:00.020 long as that's what Trump is doing and he's not like, you know, aggressively attacking people,

00:13:06.860 he's, he's in a better place and he feels like he's winning. And I think we are seeing fun loving

00:13:11.580 Trump. Here's the other thing, Stu. This magazine article goes on to say eclipses are known to speed

00:13:19.160 up time by perpetuating the inevitable. I don't know what that means. Perpetuating the inevitable.

00:13:25.260 In other words, whatever was going to happen eventually, for example, breaking up, moving to

00:13:31.320 a new city, starting a different career path will be expedited during an eclipse. Don't be surprised if

00:13:38.760 major life-changing milestones and all the corresponding drama are piling up right now.

00:13:45.040 Eclipse season chaos is a very real phenomenon. So it, wait a minute. It expedites what was going to

00:13:55.840 happen eventually. And at the same time, it allows major life-changing milestones to pile up.

00:14:03.620 I don't care. This is incongruous on why I don't normally read the magazine, The Cut. But

00:14:09.860 basically anything that happens in your life over the next two months, you can blame it on the

00:14:14.100 eclipse. That's how I read it still. Oh, perfect. That's a, that's a, it's a free reign to do

00:14:18.760 whatever you want, I guess. I'm more predicting just, you know, the darkness part. I think that's

00:14:24.100 going to happen. All the other stuff associated with it. I had a guy, a friend of mine who came to me,

00:14:28.300 he's like, my wife came home and she said, you know, I heard there's a lot of weird stuff that's

00:14:31.840 going to happen with this eclipse. You know, I something with demons or something. What do you

00:14:35.340 think about that? It's like, why do you think I'm the guy who's going to know what demons are doing

00:14:39.200 like that? What does that say about our friendship? I, I have no insight as to what demons may do.

00:14:46.240 I do think that it is an interesting thing. And this might relate to the way the left. Yeah. Glenn

00:14:51.140 may know. Glenn may know what he always knows. Um, if, uh, they, they see Donald Trump as a demon.

00:14:57.600 And the fact is that he seems to have a much more competent, uh, election, you know, campaign staff

00:15:04.340 than he's had in previous elections. Some people that are kind of leaning into his persona a little

00:15:08.520 bit more. If you kind of remember the 2016 election, it was all these like weird user created videos

00:15:14.080 that kind of floated around and really led to the popularity. Everybody around him was, you know,

00:15:19.020 no one was really professional. It was like a, it was a bootstrapped operation in 2016.

00:15:23.680 I, I'd be scared if I were on the left seeing the operation today. It's, it's, it's like,

00:15:30.060 it's a combination of the good things that Trump does kind of on his own, along with some of the

00:15:34.480 professionalism that wasn't really there in 2016. And, you know, he won in 2016. So, uh, you know,

00:15:40.160 seeing stuff like this, where they're leaning into the fun of Donald Trump, instead of just the,

00:15:44.540 you know, the sort of dark warnings that he sometimes gives, I think is in a, in a period like

00:15:50.980 this, where people are sort of worn down by these past three years of, of Biden. I think it's a

00:15:55.900 good approach and it's one that might be successful. Completely agree. This is Biden doesn't get it

00:16:02.420 and can't do it. Even if he did get it, Donald Trump's natural sense of humor is a huge asset

00:16:08.780 to him. And it's why in particular, he's doing better. I think right now we'll get into this in

00:16:13.860 just a bit with young voters, not all that, but in part, I think it's mostly economically driven,

00:16:18.620 but his sense of humor also reinforces a sense of vibrancy, which works well against this sitting

00:16:25.700 president. But I want to pick up on what you said about the Dem freak out because it's in full force

00:16:31.440 already when we get seven months to go, but it's in full force because the polling is very good for

00:16:36.760 Donald Trump, not universally, but pretty much almost universally. Uh, when Rachel Maddow was having

00:16:43.480 her 27 minute meltdown about Ronna McDaniel 10 days ago or two weeks ago, she was saying how, you know,

00:16:50.980 how, how dire the circumstances, because according to the polls, Donald Trump is going to be the next

00:16:56.640 president. Even she admits it. Um, and that brings me to an actress who most people may not even know,

00:17:04.600 but her hysteria is proof of the thing you just said. Stu, I knew this actress from, um,

00:17:12.660 what's love got to do with it. The great biopic about Tina Turner's life based on her book,

00:17:19.600 I, Tina. And this actress played Tina Turner's mother in the movie. Remember her?

00:17:26.220 I'm her mother. It's Anna Mae's mother. Y'all believe that? I can't believe that. No. My goodness.

00:17:36.680 What's a fine young thing like you doing with two grown daughters? Hey, Ms. Ellie. Uh, how can I help

00:17:43.240 you, Mr. Turner? Ike Turner. I didn't pay for Hannah Mae to come all the way up here from Nutbush,

00:17:50.000 Tennessee to be wasting time with a bunch of musicians. Well, wait a minute, Mom, it wasn't like that.

00:17:54.280 Anna Mae. Ellie, take Anna Mae in the back. Mr. Turner. I don't know what you had in mind, but,

00:18:02.020 uh, this little girl's going to be a nurse. Bring a steady paycheck.

00:18:08.820 Great clip and great movie. And Jennifer Lewis, one N, unlike the other Jennifer,

00:18:13.640 who's got two, um, did a great job. Now, now these days she's starring in the sitcom Black-ish.

00:18:19.940 She's 67 years old and she is really, really upset about the prospect of Donald Trump retaking

00:18:28.380 the presidency. She sat in an interview with Zerlina Maxwell, uh, a host of the radio show

00:18:33.640 Mornings with Zerlina right here on Sirius XM. Take a listen.

00:18:37.360 And we do nothing. We sit on our couches. Oh, I don't believe in voting. You fucking idiot.

00:18:46.280 Mm.

00:18:47.220 If that man gets in,

00:18:50.420 as soon as he takes the oath,

00:18:55.340 he will have generals walk down the steps of the Capitol.

00:18:59.760 He will take a hammer

00:19:01.100 and break the glass

00:19:03.260 where the Constitution is

00:19:04.820 and he will tear it up in our faces

00:19:07.060 and say, now,

00:19:10.380 I'm the king of the fucking world.

00:19:16.720 You will bow down, bitches.

00:19:21.060 He will punish everybody

00:19:22.860 that didn't vote for him.

00:19:24.120 Let me tell y'all how I know this shit.

00:19:26.360 I know it because I know what mental illness looks like.

00:19:33.020 That's true.

00:19:35.020 That mania

00:19:36.160 is unstoppable.

00:19:45.000 See,

00:19:45.800 this motherfucker's Hitler.

00:19:50.260 Mm.

00:19:54.540 He didn't come to play.

00:19:56.360 Very dramatic.

00:20:01.620 I mean,

00:20:02.220 guys,

00:20:02.880 that's super

00:20:03.980 dramatic

00:20:05.320 and very well,

00:20:06.940 you know,

00:20:07.280 delivered, right?

00:20:08.220 I mean,

00:20:08.440 we have to admit,

00:20:09.360 like,

00:20:09.540 I'm scared.

00:20:11.440 I found it very compelling.

00:20:13.700 I love that.

00:20:14.760 You know,

00:20:15.060 I used to have Zerlina Maxwell

00:20:16.580 on my Fox shows,

00:20:17.700 but I love the response,

00:20:18.860 like,

00:20:19.640 he will fucking send the generals

00:20:21.300 and he will tear up the Constitution

00:20:23.140 and break the glass.

00:20:24.640 Mm.

00:20:25.440 Mm.

00:20:25.740 Mm.

00:20:26.460 Mm.

00:20:26.860 Mm.

00:20:27.360 Mm.

00:20:29.520 That was an incredible clip.

00:20:32.460 It really was.

00:20:33.680 And, you know,

00:20:34.340 we sometimes look at the way

00:20:36.000 that the left treats Trump

00:20:37.620 and reacts to him

00:20:38.840 and, you know,

00:20:39.720 the fact that they're trying to put him in prison,

00:20:41.460 they're trying to throw him off ballots,

00:20:43.120 they're doing all these things.

00:20:43.960 It's because in so many people

00:20:46.420 in public life,

00:20:47.780 in the media,

00:20:48.540 in politics,

00:20:49.220 who are on the left,

00:20:50.640 what you just heard

00:20:51.760 is their entire internal monologue.

00:20:54.560 That is exactly

00:20:56.220 what is inspiring them

00:20:57.860 to act the way they are.

00:20:59.340 When they seem irrational,

00:21:01.020 when they seem like

00:21:01.660 they're doing these things,

00:21:02.740 they're saying that

00:21:03.400 democracy's under attack

00:21:04.740 and that's why we're trying

00:21:05.840 to remove the other guy

00:21:07.100 who's on the ballot.

00:21:08.640 That sort of behavior

00:21:09.840 can only come

00:21:10.780 from an internal monologue

00:21:11.820 just like that.

00:21:12.580 And if you justify

00:21:13.600 the world

00:21:15.320 in those sorts of terms,

00:21:17.120 of course,

00:21:17.680 you can really kind of justify

00:21:19.180 any behavior

00:21:20.260 to stop that from happening.

00:21:22.300 That's a fascinating clip.

00:21:23.660 I think more,

00:21:24.720 first of all,

00:21:25.380 hilarious,

00:21:25.780 but also very,

00:21:27.000 very revealing.

00:21:28.220 Yeah.

00:21:28.700 But it also makes no sense.

00:21:29.960 That's why we're played it so high up.

00:21:32.000 I mean,

00:21:32.500 but it's also just a,

00:21:33.960 it's such a bizarre fantasy.

00:21:36.360 I mean,

00:21:36.580 the generals are gonna,

00:21:38.660 what generals?

00:21:40.280 Like,

00:21:40.640 like what's gonna happen?

00:21:42.240 Like,

00:21:42.700 January 20th,

00:21:44.120 Trump's gonna go to the White House.

00:21:45.280 He's gonna call

00:21:45.780 the Joint Chiefs of Staff

00:21:46.780 and say like,

00:21:47.240 I'm the king now.

00:21:48.440 I need you to march down

00:21:50.040 the Capitol steps

00:21:52.260 so everyone knows

00:21:53.100 I'm the king now.

00:21:53.780 I'm gonna go

00:21:54.540 to the National Archives.

00:21:55.620 I'm gonna tear

00:21:56.060 the Constitution up.

00:21:57.860 Yeah.

00:21:58.080 And then I'll disband Congress.

00:21:59.660 Like,

00:21:59.980 what are you talking about?

00:22:01.200 Like,

00:22:01.420 none of this,

00:22:02.020 this is,

00:22:02.380 this is,

00:22:03.120 this is like,

00:22:04.360 like an opium fantasy.

00:22:06.180 It's,

00:22:06.720 it's,

00:22:07.040 it's completely bizarre.

00:22:08.260 It's a very strange thing

00:22:09.300 to even talk about.

00:22:10.440 But as Stu points out,

00:22:12.840 the,

00:22:13.140 the,

00:22:13.780 they think this is gonna happen.

00:22:15.200 These are the same people

00:22:15.940 who thought that we were

00:22:16.640 five minutes away

00:22:17.520 from losing,

00:22:18.220 you know,

00:22:19.320 our democracy

00:22:20.260 because QAnon shaman,

00:22:22.080 you know,

00:22:22.680 stood on the,

00:22:23.700 in the well of the Senate.

00:22:24.980 It's,

00:22:25.400 it's bizarre.

00:22:27.120 Yeah.

00:22:27.640 And then,

00:22:27.900 but then of course

00:22:28.520 she gives it up

00:22:29.220 when she was like,

00:22:29.860 how do I know

00:22:30.920 it's going to happen?

00:22:33.580 Because I know

00:22:34.320 what mental illness looks like.

00:22:37.060 Well,

00:22:37.500 that's true.

00:22:37.720 She said,

00:22:38.000 as she proved her point.

00:22:39.340 Yes.

00:22:40.080 The absolute,

00:22:40.800 has there ever been a more,

00:22:41.840 like,

00:22:42.160 I did not believe

00:22:43.020 a lot of the things

00:22:43.640 she said in that monologue,

00:22:44.660 but when she said,

00:22:46.000 I know what mental illness

00:22:47.160 looked like,

00:22:47.640 I believed every word of it.

00:22:49.700 It was,

00:22:50.080 it was meta.

00:22:50.760 It was very meta.

00:22:51.980 It was having

00:22:52.580 one of those moments.

00:22:53.360 So yeah,

00:22:54.020 that's just a little sampling.

00:22:56.300 I mean,

00:22:56.460 I will say,

00:22:57.060 while I'm on the topic

00:22:58.500 of hysterical leftist meltdowns,

00:23:01.820 did you guys see,

00:23:03.120 you know,

00:23:03.780 Ellie Mistal,

00:23:05.180 who's,

00:23:06.060 he writes for The Nation.

00:23:07.600 He's one of the most,

00:23:08.660 just angry,

00:23:11.240 racist people on X.

00:23:13.820 And that's saying something.

00:23:14.960 And,

00:23:15.160 you know,

00:23:15.500 he goes on MSNBC,

00:23:17.040 Joy Reid's show.

00:23:18.100 She's more racist than he is.

00:23:19.420 But I mean,

00:23:19.700 it's a tight,

00:23:20.300 tight race.

00:23:20.860 He wrote this scathing opinion piece

00:23:25.880 about Justice Stephen Breyer,

00:23:27.820 who wrote the following

00:23:31.200 of the Supreme Court,

00:23:33.260 saying,

00:23:33.940 the Supreme Court I served on,

00:23:35.780 he's retired,

00:23:37.020 was made up of friends.

00:23:40.720 And it pretty much went downhill from there,

00:23:42.820 says Ellie Mistal.

00:23:44.080 So Breyer wrote this op-ed

00:23:45.120 in the New York Times

00:23:45.700 about friendship

00:23:46.300 amongst the court's justices,

00:23:47.820 which has always been something

00:23:48.980 that I've known of

00:23:50.620 since I was a law student

00:23:51.660 and then a lawyer

00:23:52.480 and then covered the high court

00:23:53.660 for Fox for three years.

00:23:55.000 I love this about a Supreme Court.

00:23:57.020 It's an example for us all.

00:23:58.580 That,

00:23:58.900 I mean,

00:23:59.260 they are so divided ideologically

00:24:01.320 and always have been.

00:24:02.660 Ruth Bader Ginsburg

00:24:03.460 and Justice Scalia

00:24:04.520 saw absolutely nothing

00:24:06.520 the same way.

00:24:07.500 I mean,

00:24:08.020 they're just completely

00:24:08.980 different philosophies.

00:24:09.700 and yet they were,

00:24:12.780 if not best friends,

00:24:14.700 close to best friends.

00:24:15.600 They vacationed together

00:24:16.860 all the time.

00:24:17.700 They hung out together

00:24:18.440 all the time.

00:24:19.440 They respected

00:24:20.300 each other's intellect.

00:24:21.480 They understood

00:24:22.180 they were very different

00:24:23.320 ideologically,

00:24:24.300 but there was kindness

00:24:25.560 and respect

00:24:26.560 and I think maybe even,

00:24:28.660 you know,

00:24:29.040 the love of good friends there.

00:24:31.280 Well,

00:24:32.340 Ellie Mistal's pissed

00:24:33.420 about that

00:24:34.480 because Justice Breyer

00:24:36.080 is coming out to say,

00:24:37.040 look,

00:24:37.340 let me tell you something.

00:24:38.220 This is like a body

00:24:39.060 that we can still look up to

00:24:40.080 and he,

00:24:42.140 this is Ellie's reaction.

00:24:44.200 The title of the piece

00:24:45.260 is the Supreme Court

00:24:46.000 I served on

00:24:46.460 was made up of friends.

00:24:47.380 It pretty much went downhill

00:24:48.260 from there.

00:24:48.740 He says,

00:24:49.040 it's about how some

00:24:49.940 of the justices

00:24:50.700 used to play bridge together.

00:24:52.540 That's those two as well.

00:24:53.700 While others went to the opera

00:24:55.520 and how they would

00:24:56.780 share jokes over lunch.

00:24:58.280 The point of his piece,

00:24:59.660 to the extent there was one,

00:25:01.200 was to distract readers

00:25:02.420 from their decisions

00:25:03.700 and any number of

00:25:05.120 horrid decisions

00:25:05.920 emanating from the corrupt

00:25:07.140 and broken Supreme Court

00:25:08.220 and burnish

00:25:09.320 the institution's reputation

00:25:10.580 at a time when the people

00:25:11.520 have had just enough

00:25:13.060 of these justices.

00:25:14.680 Talking about their

00:25:15.420 low approval ratings,

00:25:17.020 he says,

00:25:18.320 it's our opinion

00:25:20.400 that,

00:25:20.940 that the opinion

00:25:22.280 exposes the court

00:25:23.000 as a partisan cabal

00:25:24.560 beholden to the Republican Party

00:25:26.300 or the conservative

00:25:27.000 culture warriors.

00:25:28.200 The Roberts Court

00:25:29.500 is set on devouring

00:25:31.680 the rights of women,

00:25:32.820 people of color,

00:25:33.420 and the LGBTQ community

00:25:34.900 while preserving

00:25:35.900 the rights of mass shooters

00:25:37.080 to amass deadly arsenals.

00:25:39.120 But Breyer wants us to know

00:25:40.100 that in my 28 years

00:25:41.040 on the court,

00:25:41.500 I did not hear a voice

00:25:42.660 raised in anchor.

00:25:43.760 Why the hell not,

00:25:44.920 he says.

00:25:45.920 Why weren't you,

00:25:47.040 Steve,

00:25:47.920 sitting there

00:25:48.540 screaming at your

00:25:49.460 conservative colleagues

00:25:50.380 or asking everyone

00:25:51.500 who would listen

00:25:52.000 to stop your,

00:25:52.880 quote,

00:25:52.960 friends from hurting people?

00:25:55.240 Why do you think

00:25:56.040 intellectual detachment

00:25:57.060 in the face of

00:25:57.700 active horror

00:25:58.540 is a virtue

00:25:59.920 when it's more like

00:26:01.380 a sin?

00:26:02.800 Maybe Breyer

00:26:03.720 can enjoy a night

00:26:04.700 at the opera

00:26:05.360 with people

00:26:05.980 who think

00:26:06.400 a 10-year-old girl

00:26:07.460 can be raped

00:26:08.640 and forced

00:26:09.220 to bring the pregnancy

00:26:10.040 to term

00:26:10.620 as a matter of law.

00:26:12.400 But I can't.

00:26:13.780 Maybe Breyer

00:26:14.460 should have spent

00:26:14.940 less time having lunch

00:26:15.960 with his conservative

00:26:16.600 colleagues

00:26:17.060 and more time

00:26:17.980 having lunch

00:26:18.540 with their victims.

00:26:20.020 And just a couple more.

00:26:21.720 There are a lot of people

00:26:22.440 who believe that politics

00:26:23.320 and policy differences

00:26:24.340 can and should be ignored

00:26:25.620 among colleagues

00:26:26.280 and friends.

00:26:27.320 They believe that the fact

00:26:28.400 that one person supports,

00:26:29.680 say, amnesty

00:26:30.160 for migrants

00:26:30.940 who are out of status

00:26:32.200 while another supports

00:26:33.640 shooting them to death

00:26:35.380 should their children

00:26:36.580 miraculously manage

00:26:37.580 to squeeze through

00:26:38.160 the razor wire barricade

00:26:39.480 erected to drown them

00:26:40.640 shouldn't prevent

00:26:41.780 these two people

00:26:42.380 from enjoying

00:26:42.860 a few beers together.

00:26:44.540 The audience

00:26:45.260 for Breyer's anecdotes

00:26:46.260 is likely the same demographic

00:26:47.500 as Breyer himself.

00:26:48.720 Old, straight,

00:26:49.840 white, college-educated men

00:26:51.780 and people who desperately

00:26:53.040 want to attain

00:26:53.700 the status and prestige

00:26:54.620 of old, straight,

00:26:55.860 white, college-educated men.

00:26:58.160 Breyer can maintain

00:26:58.880 the intellectual gooberism

00:27:00.860 of institutional collegiality

00:27:03.040 in the face

00:27:03.420 of real-world harms

00:27:04.500 because those harms

00:27:05.740 are not visited on him.

00:27:07.500 He's not the guy

00:27:08.080 the cops choked to death.

00:27:09.280 He's not the immigrant

00:27:10.060 being deported away

00:27:11.020 from his children.

00:27:11.960 He's not the woman

00:27:12.800 being forced to incubate

00:27:14.060 a rapist baby

00:27:15.240 against their will.

00:27:16.900 This is despite the fact

00:27:18.560 that Breyer

00:27:19.500 voted with the leftist

00:27:21.960 of the left,

00:27:22.800 the biggest liberal vote

00:27:24.020 on the court

00:27:24.520 for his entire

00:27:25.680 nearly 30-year tenure.

00:27:27.120 It's not good enough.

00:27:28.520 Why?

00:27:29.600 Because he's nice

00:27:30.860 to the Republicans.

00:27:32.120 He doesn't demonize them.

00:27:33.900 And of course,

00:27:34.440 his biggest sin,

00:27:35.900 he's a,

00:27:36.920 say it together,

00:27:38.280 a straight,

00:27:39.060 white, college-educated man.

00:27:41.040 And that's really

00:27:42.080 the problem

00:27:43.020 for Elie Mistel.

00:27:44.840 This is crazy-ass,

00:27:46.700 racist,

00:27:47.500 classist shit.

00:27:49.580 It's fine.

00:27:50.560 We know he'll get away with it.

00:27:51.680 But it does show you

00:27:52.820 the extent of,

00:27:54.180 it's not just

00:27:54.600 Trump derangement syndrome.

00:27:55.680 It's like Republican

00:27:57.880 derangement syndrome, Dave.

00:27:59.320 It's something beyond

00:28:00.540 just Trump here.

00:28:02.580 Yeah, I mean,

00:28:04.080 it's hate.

00:28:05.000 It's a preaching of hatred.

00:28:08.180 It's preaching that

00:28:09.540 if somebody disagrees

00:28:10.580 with you politically

00:28:11.380 or if somebody

00:28:12.240 is of a different faith

00:28:13.360 or if somebody

00:28:13.940 views the world

00:28:14.840 in a way that is

00:28:15.540 different from the way

00:28:17.360 that you view the world,

00:28:18.800 you should hate them.

00:28:20.220 Not just vote

00:28:21.380 a different way,

00:28:22.160 but you shouldn't

00:28:23.740 be in their presence, right?

00:28:25.000 This goes back

00:28:26.100 to the taunting

00:28:27.340 of Trump officials

00:28:28.360 in restaurants

00:28:29.040 and don't be polite

00:28:30.420 to these people, right?

00:28:31.560 Like, make them

00:28:32.440 be social outcasts.

00:28:34.100 And, I mean,

00:28:35.380 it'll destroy our society.

00:28:37.060 You know,

00:28:37.220 you were reading that

00:28:38.200 and I was thinking back,

00:28:39.700 like, the last year

00:28:41.240 that I was really

00:28:41.900 in theater was 2012

00:28:43.240 and I was the host

00:28:44.180 of a short play series

00:28:45.580 in downtown New York.

00:28:47.260 And part of the bit

00:28:48.800 was,

00:28:49.840 and it wasn't a bit really,

00:28:51.160 like,

00:28:51.400 was that I was conservative.

00:28:53.000 I was a Republican

00:28:53.660 and I would have fun

00:28:54.600 with the audience.

00:28:55.440 This was in,

00:28:56.060 you know,

00:28:56.820 Bowery Poetry Club.

00:28:57.920 Everybody,

00:28:58.480 I mean,

00:28:58.700 they weren't Democrats.

00:28:59.640 They were communists, right?

00:29:01.180 But we'd have fun.

00:29:03.120 And after the show,

00:29:04.240 we'd have interesting conversations.

00:29:05.680 And it's like,

00:29:06.440 well, you know,

00:29:06.900 Dave,

00:29:07.200 Condoleezza Rice

00:29:08.020 is interesting, right?

00:29:09.060 And, like,

00:29:10.380 it was okay.

00:29:12.780 That seems like

00:29:13.800 a million years ago

00:29:15.020 to me now

00:29:16.920 on all sides.

00:29:18.140 I mean,

00:29:18.700 it's just,

00:29:19.660 it just,

00:29:20.120 it just couldn't happen today.

00:29:21.440 And it's not just the left

00:29:22.600 and it's not just the right.

00:29:23.720 It seems like everybody

00:29:24.760 has decided,

00:29:25.700 like,

00:29:26.000 if you don't agree with me

00:29:27.240 about everything,

00:29:28.020 then you're evil

00:29:29.560 and I can't associate with you.

00:29:31.000 And it'll destroy the country.

00:29:34.120 I completely agree with that.

00:29:36.080 I feel like

00:29:37.280 this is my bread and butter

00:29:38.200 being able to talk to anybody.

00:29:40.520 You know,

00:29:41.200 people with whom I disagree,

00:29:42.540 people with whom I do agree.

00:29:44.220 And he,

00:29:45.400 the amount of energy,

00:29:47.080 Stu,

00:29:47.300 in this piece,

00:29:48.140 the amount of hatred

00:29:49.100 toward his own side.

00:29:52.280 You know,

00:29:52.920 Breyer is a leftist,

00:29:54.440 but he is too tolerant

00:29:57.460 of conservatives.

00:29:59.760 That's what's gotten him

00:30:00.880 kicked out of

00:30:02.160 Elie Mestal's leftist club.

00:30:04.220 That,

00:30:04.780 plus,

00:30:05.060 as I said,

00:30:05.560 the reality is,

00:30:06.360 if you read this guy's tweets

00:30:07.780 or see his appearances

00:30:08.960 on Joe Reed,

00:30:09.920 the fact that Breyer's white,

00:30:11.020 I'm telling you,

00:30:11.620 he's a racist.

00:30:12.640 I mean,

00:30:12.840 he doesn't like any whites

00:30:13.880 and he really doesn't like whites

00:30:15.940 who have tolerance

00:30:17.460 for conservatives.

00:30:18.880 It's imperfectly on

00:30:21.240 Joe Reed's program

00:30:21.960 and what he's on

00:30:22.600 all the time.

00:30:23.800 I think that,

00:30:24.840 you know,

00:30:25.060 part of this is,

00:30:26.620 I don't know,

00:30:27.360 I feel like I'm able

00:30:28.340 to talk to my liberal friends

00:30:29.440 about politics all the time.

00:30:31.300 And,

00:30:31.600 you know,

00:30:31.900 I think it's really,

00:30:33.080 really valuable to do that.

00:30:34.660 You know,

00:30:35.620 it helps you work on,

00:30:37.640 you know,

00:30:38.080 not only just learn things

00:30:39.100 about the other side,

00:30:39.740 but also be more effective

00:30:40.960 in a persuasion

00:30:42.280 rather than just,

00:30:43.660 you know,

00:30:44.160 talking about your,

00:30:46.060 you know,

00:30:46.380 your beliefs

00:30:46.980 and yelling them

00:30:47.640 out of your own side

00:30:48.420 and everyone cheers you.

00:30:49.520 There's not that much benefit

00:30:50.520 in that.

00:30:51.000 I know you're in Connecticut,

00:30:52.720 I think,

00:30:53.500 Megan,

00:30:53.820 and that's where I grew up.

00:30:55.060 I grew up in Connecticut

00:30:55.800 as I developed political views.

00:30:58.840 I was conservative

00:30:59.480 and I think that was

00:31:00.660 really beneficial.

00:31:02.380 It was interesting

00:31:03.140 to live in a place

00:31:03.860 that was mostly liberal

00:31:04.860 while I was a conservative.

00:31:06.760 It makes you sharpen

00:31:07.860 your arguments,

00:31:08.520 but also work on them

00:31:10.340 in a totally different way.

00:31:12.060 And that's what

00:31:12.380 the Supreme Court

00:31:12.960 is supposed to be.

00:31:13.740 It's supposed to be

00:31:14.660 logical arguments

00:31:15.920 based on founding documents

00:31:18.720 that sucks all emotion

00:31:20.640 out of that conversation.

00:31:22.120 It's not supposed

00:31:23.000 to be emotional time,

00:31:24.880 but the left

00:31:25.840 must have that

00:31:27.360 because the movement

00:31:28.120 is completely based on it.

00:31:30.140 You can't make

00:31:30.920 these changes

00:31:31.740 without emotion

00:31:33.080 that they want to make

00:31:34.140 to our entire foundation.

00:31:36.180 You know,

00:31:36.320 you go back

00:31:36.860 to the Obama administration

00:31:38.180 and it was Rahm Emanuel

00:31:39.620 with the never let

00:31:40.360 a crisis go to waste.

00:31:42.060 That mindset

00:31:43.100 fuels so much

00:31:44.380 of the left.

00:31:45.180 They get incremental gains

00:31:46.620 in moment of emotion.

00:31:48.520 And if you suck that out

00:31:49.900 and you make

00:31:50.340 sober arguments

00:31:51.880 with people,

00:31:52.620 they can't gain

00:31:53.760 the way that they want to gain

00:31:55.300 or at least as quickly

00:31:56.320 as they want to.

00:31:57.440 I think you're right.

00:31:58.120 I think it's,

00:31:59.180 you know,

00:31:59.320 our entire system

00:32:00.820 is,

00:32:02.480 politics is nothing

00:32:03.600 but a system

00:32:04.500 to remove anger

00:32:06.180 and violence

00:32:06.900 out of these disagreements.

00:32:08.580 We're supposed

00:32:09.140 to be able to work

00:32:09.900 through them

00:32:10.600 in a logical way.

00:32:12.680 It does feel gone

00:32:13.740 in public life

00:32:15.400 but I don't feel like

00:32:16.200 it's like that

00:32:16.740 for normal people.

00:32:17.760 I think everybody's

00:32:18.800 got a friend

00:32:19.420 they think is a little

00:32:20.220 nutty politically

00:32:21.200 but they can come over

00:32:22.420 and you can have beers

00:32:23.260 with them.

00:32:23.660 You can have

00:32:24.040 conversations with them.

00:32:25.200 You can hang

00:32:25.660 and you might,

00:32:26.660 they might leave

00:32:27.180 and you might make fun

00:32:27.960 of them with your wife

00:32:28.860 or your husband afterward

00:32:30.400 but like,

00:32:31.480 that's okay.

00:32:32.340 It's fun

00:32:33.340 and you still think

00:32:33.980 of them as a good person.

00:32:35.320 That's how normal people

00:32:36.220 are supposed to be.

00:32:37.820 Completely agree.

00:32:38.680 And the Supreme Court

00:32:40.240 is holding the line.

00:32:42.000 I'm delighted

00:32:42.660 to see it in writing

00:32:44.160 though I've known

00:32:44.860 it was true

00:32:45.500 given the experiences

00:32:46.520 I just outlined for you

00:32:47.560 of my own.

00:32:49.040 And he's proud of it too

00:32:50.500 and he should be.

00:32:51.760 And I will mark money,

00:32:53.340 any amount of money

00:32:54.240 that Gorsuch

00:32:56.080 and Samuel Alito

00:32:57.780 and Clarence Thomas

00:32:59.120 are getting along

00:33:00.320 just fine

00:33:01.100 with Elena Kagan

00:33:02.340 at Ketaji Brown-Jackson

00:33:04.100 and Sonia Sotomayor.

00:33:05.340 And the people

00:33:06.520 who are angry

00:33:07.460 about that

00:33:08.160 are universally

00:33:09.240 on this,

00:33:10.680 in this sliver

00:33:12.060 of the bizarre

00:33:13.080 far left.

00:33:14.660 There is not

00:33:15.200 a conservative

00:33:15.780 who's upset

00:33:17.060 about this.

00:33:17.740 Maybe like

00:33:18.440 that lunatic

00:33:19.220 Nick Fuentes

00:33:19.940 although he's not a,

00:33:21.120 he's not a conservative.

00:33:21.680 I don't know what he is

00:33:22.300 but he just doesn't

00:33:23.100 like certain races.

00:33:25.160 So maybe he doesn't

00:33:26.700 like the fraternization.

00:33:27.700 I don't know

00:33:28.040 but my point is

00:33:28.820 this is a leftist thing

00:33:30.360 where the right

00:33:32.220 is completely demonized

00:33:33.920 as a group

00:33:34.560 and is responsible

00:33:35.380 if they want

00:33:35.940 a strong border

00:33:36.820 for the murder

00:33:38.780 of immigrants.

00:33:40.440 That's what you want.

00:33:41.140 You want them to die

00:33:42.100 as they try to squeeze

00:33:43.240 through the barbed wire

00:33:44.400 as opposed to

00:33:45.360 no, we're actually

00:33:45.880 trying to protect

00:33:46.340 our own country

00:33:46.900 and maintain,

00:33:47.620 you know,

00:33:47.840 order here.

00:33:48.300 But no,

00:33:48.860 like this is a

00:33:49.740 sick sliver.

00:33:51.480 And I know Dave,

00:33:52.100 I mean,

00:33:52.260 clearly you,

00:33:53.420 more conservative

00:33:53.980 leaning on Broadway,

00:33:55.180 my God,

00:33:55.620 I'm sure you dealt

00:33:56.460 with leftists all the time.

00:33:57.940 I've got some

00:33:59.020 of my dearest friends

00:34:00.000 in the world.

00:34:01.180 Literally some,

00:34:01.880 most,

00:34:02.700 most of my dearest friends

00:34:03.760 in the world

00:34:04.300 are committed Democrats.

00:34:07.520 One was at the BLM protests.

00:34:09.780 Many were at the

00:34:10.680 pussy hat pink thing,

00:34:12.440 you know,

00:34:12.800 with all the women

00:34:13.520 in the streets.

00:34:15.920 One campaign

00:34:16.940 for Joe Biden.

00:34:18.300 These are not deal breakers

00:34:19.580 for normal people,

00:34:20.740 even though they're politics.

00:34:21.640 These are not.

00:34:22.320 This is a lunacy

00:34:23.520 taking over part

00:34:25.220 of the Democrat Party.

00:34:27.600 Well, look,

00:34:27.900 I think Stu made

00:34:28.620 a really important point here,

00:34:29.840 which is the difference

00:34:30.620 between private

00:34:31.400 and public relationships,

00:34:32.640 right?

00:34:32.760 The example

00:34:33.240 that I had just given

00:34:34.280 was to a theater performance

00:34:35.940 where what I was describing

00:34:37.780 was happening,

00:34:38.420 was happening publicly,

00:34:39.620 right?

00:34:39.880 In front of a bunch

00:34:40.700 of people.

00:34:41.720 Now, conversely,

00:34:43.440 you know,

00:34:43.900 I have this,

00:34:44.520 this experience

00:34:45.160 all the time,

00:34:45.800 but like the summer

00:34:46.420 I went to cover

00:34:47.120 the Moms for Liberty event

00:34:48.420 in Philly

00:34:49.000 and oh my God,

00:34:50.140 it was just so much

00:34:51.360 like hatred

00:34:52.240 being spewed at them

00:34:53.320 from like all over

00:34:54.140 the place,

00:34:54.700 Philadelphia Inquirer,

00:34:55.440 everybody,

00:34:55.980 blah, blah, blah.

00:34:56.460 And, you know,

00:34:58.280 one day I had filed

00:34:59.400 my story

00:34:59.940 and I went to go

00:35:00.560 get like tapas

00:35:01.420 or something

00:35:01.880 and I'm sitting there

00:35:02.660 and I'm talking

00:35:03.100 to these two women

00:35:03.940 who are clearly Democrats

00:35:06.400 like, oh, like,

00:35:07.120 oh, you're covering,

00:35:07.740 what do you do?

00:35:08.220 Who do you work from?

00:35:08.880 Like Fox News.

00:35:09.740 They're like, oh,

00:35:10.540 I've never met

00:35:11.280 anyone from him.

00:35:11.880 It was like,

00:35:12.420 and we had a lovely

00:35:13.060 conversation, right?

00:35:14.940 And it was totally fine

00:35:17.620 because there was

00:35:18.980 nothing public about this.

00:35:20.620 This was not social media

00:35:21.760 where their friends

00:35:22.400 were going to be like,

00:35:23.080 oh my goodness,

00:35:23.620 what are you doing

00:35:24.160 talking to him, right?

00:35:26.040 And this happens to me

00:35:27.000 time and time again

00:35:28.120 when I'm on the road

00:35:29.600 and I don't know

00:35:30.460 what the answer is

00:35:31.880 other than,

00:35:33.180 yeah,

00:35:33.700 than maybe for the left

00:35:34.720 to stop holding

00:35:35.900 these purity tests

00:35:37.080 over, you know,

00:35:38.220 who your friends are

00:35:39.020 because it sucks.

00:35:42.080 It's changed.

00:35:43.400 I do think it's changing.

00:35:44.940 It's worse now

00:35:45.740 than it was 10 years ago.

00:35:48.740 Much.

00:35:50.100 I want to continue this,

00:35:51.480 but I do want to tell you

00:35:52.200 on the subject of Broadway,

00:35:53.240 just as a quick aside,

00:35:54.760 went with the kids

00:35:55.420 to Back to the Future

00:35:56.260 on Friday night.

00:35:57.520 Go.

00:35:58.460 Go.

00:35:59.000 My son loved it.

00:35:59.820 I haven't seen it.

00:36:00.260 My son saw it.

00:36:00.840 He said it was great.

00:36:02.460 Irrespective of your age,

00:36:04.040 your background,

00:36:04.800 your politics,

00:36:05.960 it's one of those shows

00:36:07.080 everyone will love.

00:36:08.220 No, I'm not getting paid

00:36:08.960 to say this.

00:36:10.100 It is brilliantly done.

00:36:11.800 It's so fun.

00:36:13.800 The songs are great.

00:36:15.100 The sets are great.

00:36:16.420 Really great.

00:36:17.160 The set design

00:36:17.660 is actually amazing.

00:36:19.260 And the actor

00:36:20.460 who plays

00:36:21.300 George McFly,

00:36:23.580 the dad

00:36:24.200 of Marty McFly,

00:36:26.200 is

00:36:26.660 hysterical.

00:36:28.160 That's a great role.

00:36:30.780 He's so funny.

00:36:31.560 My husband,

00:36:32.000 Doug,

00:36:32.160 does an invitation of him.

00:36:33.400 I won't try it,

00:36:34.000 but I'm just telling you,

00:36:34.720 go.

00:36:35.160 You come into New York

00:36:36.060 and you're thinking about

00:36:36.720 what show do I go to?

00:36:38.000 You don't want to spend

00:36:38.600 so much money on a miss.

00:36:40.060 Go to Back to the Future.

00:36:41.140 If you don't like it,

00:36:41.980 call me.

00:36:42.400 I'll send you a refund.

00:36:43.760 My son had an interesting point

00:36:45.180 about Back to the Future,

00:36:46.260 which is that,

00:36:46.920 you know,

00:36:47.140 there's that scene

00:36:47.840 where Marty starts playing,

00:36:49.520 like, you know,

00:36:50.420 thrasher guitar

00:36:51.400 and like everybody is like,

00:36:52.860 what are you doing?

00:36:53.660 And he's like,

00:36:54.200 oh, you guys aren't ready

00:36:55.080 for that yet.

00:36:56.260 But your kids

00:36:56.800 are going to love it.

00:36:57.980 Yeah, but my son

00:36:58.820 made the point

00:36:59.460 that there's no modern

00:37:00.380 equivalent of that, right?

00:37:01.720 Like, because I'm about

00:37:02.660 the age where like

00:37:03.700 if I went back that far,

00:37:05.140 I'd be going to 1993.

00:37:07.740 There's nothing

00:37:08.360 I could play in 1993

00:37:09.720 that would make

00:37:10.700 the people from my high school

00:37:12.060 be like,

00:37:12.560 oh my God,

00:37:13.160 I've never heard anything.

00:37:14.120 I mean,

00:37:14.360 it just doesn't exist.

00:37:16.220 True.

00:37:16.860 Well, and it's interesting

00:37:17.820 because there was

00:37:18.080 so much change, right?

00:37:18.860 Because the birth of rock and roll

00:37:20.260 was in the 50s,

00:37:21.680 which is the time

00:37:22.220 they were going back to

00:37:23.020 from 1985.

00:37:24.480 Yeah.

00:37:24.580 So there was

00:37:25.340 such a dramatic change.

00:37:26.560 When we were growing up

00:37:27.740 like in the 70s,

00:37:28.760 that was the music

00:37:29.660 you'd hear on the radio

00:37:30.500 a lot of the time.

00:37:31.360 You know, yes,

00:37:31.720 you hear all these

00:37:32.160 great 70s songs

00:37:32.940 which is a great era

00:37:33.580 for music,

00:37:34.020 but you'd hear

00:37:35.000 all these 50s songs.

00:37:36.420 Like, we were

00:37:37.060 kind of new

00:37:38.100 in the era of rock and roll

00:37:40.020 and this new kind of music

00:37:40.900 and I don't think

00:37:42.740 We called them oldies, Megan,

00:37:44.240 and people today

00:37:44.940 are kind enough

00:37:45.700 not to refer to

00:37:46.700 Duran Duran as an oldie.

00:37:49.220 Well, can I tell you something?

00:37:50.460 So, you know,

00:37:50.960 Steve Krakauer,

00:37:51.680 the executive producer

00:37:52.340 of this show.

00:37:52.900 He's a lot younger.

00:37:53.660 He just turned 40

00:37:54.300 two weeks ago.

00:37:55.120 Happy birthday, Steve.

00:37:56.500 And when I said,

00:37:59.340 I said,

00:37:59.920 let's start the show

00:38:00.580 with Moonshadow

00:38:01.580 by Cat Stevens.

00:38:03.400 Steve's like,

00:38:04.100 I don't know what that song,

00:38:05.460 I've never heard that song.

00:38:06.440 I'm like,

00:38:06.960 come on.

00:38:08.140 Okay, so Don Lemon.

00:38:14.260 All this divisiveness

00:38:15.000 brings me to Don Lemon.

00:38:16.220 I am not going to make

00:38:17.120 any comment on his wedding

00:38:18.620 this weekend.

00:38:19.780 It got a lot of press.

00:38:21.280 The truth is,

00:38:22.020 I wish him well

00:38:22.580 in his nuptials

00:38:23.300 and I hope he and his husband

00:38:24.640 are happy together.

00:38:27.400 However,

00:38:28.160 in his new fledgling show,

00:38:30.600 he had on actor D.L. Hughley

00:38:33.740 and they had

00:38:35.520 a pretty extraordinary exchange

00:38:37.080 right along the lines

00:38:38.260 of what the three of us

00:38:39.740 have been discussing.

00:38:41.360 Listen here

00:38:41.920 to the topic

00:38:42.660 of whether

00:38:43.140 you really can

00:38:44.600 have relationships

00:38:45.380 with people

00:38:45.860 across the aisle.

00:38:46.860 I really do believe

00:38:48.180 that having relationships

00:38:49.840 with people

00:38:50.500 and talking it out

00:38:51.580 can change things.

00:38:53.080 Not in America.

00:38:53.880 Not anymore.

00:38:55.360 I had a different

00:38:56.240 relationship with Spike,

00:38:57.220 but I think that

00:38:58.920 talking things out

00:38:59.740 and having conversations

00:39:00.560 can help,

00:39:01.280 but maybe I just

00:39:03.320 learned my lesson

00:39:04.000 for good

00:39:04.520 for the last

00:39:05.620 and final time

00:39:06.280 God was saying,

00:39:07.340 no, it doesn't work.

00:39:08.040 I hope it doesn't,

00:39:08.940 but why do you say

00:39:09.520 not anymore in America?

00:39:11.800 Because I think that

00:39:12.740 look at how strident

00:39:13.820 people are.

00:39:15.180 Okay, so you can't.

00:39:16.620 You can't have

00:39:17.340 relationships with people

00:39:18.620 across the aisle.

00:39:20.840 Not anymore, at least.

00:39:22.400 By the way,

00:39:22.960 this guy D.L. Hughley

00:39:23.980 came on my show

00:39:25.340 on Fox News in 2016,

00:39:27.760 and he was very much

00:39:28.620 the same.

00:39:29.160 This is not a new reveal.

00:39:30.780 It's not anymore for him.

00:39:32.360 Listen to him then.

00:39:33.400 The president of Justice

00:39:34.600 found that the police

00:39:35.640 there had endemic racism.

00:39:38.840 They found that.

00:39:39.400 Right.

00:39:39.700 But they also

00:39:40.280 exonerated Officer

00:39:41.340 Darren Wilson.

00:39:41.800 That's not a...

00:39:42.280 And they found

00:39:42.820 hands up,

00:39:43.480 don't shoot,

00:39:43.940 was a lie.

00:39:44.240 Let me ask you something.

00:39:45.100 And that Michael Brown

00:39:46.200 was the aggressor.

00:39:47.500 Wow.

00:39:48.100 Here's what I'll say.

00:39:48.880 Don't wow me.

00:39:49.860 For you all to see

00:39:50.900 one thing,

00:39:51.520 the only place racism

00:39:52.720 doesn't exist

00:39:53.220 is Fox News

00:39:53.960 and the police department.

00:39:54.900 Could you hold

00:39:55.660 the insults for a second

00:39:56.540 so we can have

00:39:56.940 a productive conversation?

00:39:58.380 You were going

00:39:58.760 to make the point

00:39:59.260 that whites see

00:40:00.340 certain incidents

00:40:00.900 differently than blacks do.

00:40:01.980 And we saw that

00:40:02.540 in the O.J. Simpson case

00:40:03.460 when the verdict came down.

00:40:04.440 Sure.

00:40:04.940 I'll give you that.

00:40:05.700 Most reasonable people

00:40:06.620 will give you that.

00:40:07.640 But you know what

00:40:08.160 shuts down

00:40:08.720 all reasonable dialogue

00:40:09.700 is throwing out

00:40:10.880 the term racism

00:40:11.540 before it's been proven.

00:40:12.440 Very dangerous

00:40:13.120 when you get to the point

00:40:14.220 where you paint

00:40:14.840 with an entire group

00:40:16.060 with the same brush

00:40:16.800 based on the bad

00:40:17.700 actions of a few.

00:40:18.760 That is amazing

00:40:19.800 to hear on this network.

00:40:21.200 That really is.

00:40:21.920 That really is.

00:40:22.860 Amazing to hear

00:40:23.540 on this network.

00:40:24.580 Thanks for being here.

00:40:25.900 Thank you for having me.

00:40:26.360 Take care.

00:40:30.740 Same, right?

00:40:32.080 Same guy.

00:40:33.400 And so Lemon

00:40:34.140 even bringing it up

00:40:35.200 with him was false.

00:40:36.640 And let's be honest,

00:40:37.840 Lemon pretending

00:40:38.820 that he just wants

00:40:40.340 to have conversations

00:40:41.060 with people

00:40:41.620 and like irrespective

00:40:43.220 of their politics,

00:40:44.580 you know,

00:40:44.860 come together

00:40:45.640 is also a lie.

00:40:47.520 He's the guy,

00:40:48.560 as you guys all remember,

00:40:49.900 who engaged

00:40:50.460 in the most

00:40:51.100 dripping with disdain

00:40:53.020 and disgust

00:40:54.220 for Trump voter clips

00:40:56.000 of all time.

00:40:58.480 I'll give you

00:40:58.860 just a flavor

00:40:59.500 because it's a long one.

00:41:00.400 Just watch.

00:41:01.020 You remember.

00:41:02.340 Donald Trump

00:41:02.980 couldn't find Ukraine

00:41:03.760 on a map

00:41:04.120 if you had the letter U

00:41:05.220 and a picture

00:41:05.800 of an actual physical crane

00:41:07.420 next to it.

00:41:08.660 He knows that this is,

00:41:09.820 you know,

00:41:10.260 an administration

00:41:11.340 defined by ignorance

00:41:12.740 of the world.

00:41:13.640 The people who aided

00:41:14.340 and abetted Trump

00:41:15.040 are stupid.

00:41:15.920 I've lived in several

00:41:16.660 red states.

00:41:18.080 There are a lot of friends

00:41:19.040 who I had to really

00:41:19.680 get rid of.

00:41:20.200 Credulous boomer rube demo

00:41:21.640 that backs Donald Trump

00:41:22.840 that wants to think

00:41:25.060 that Donald Trump's

00:41:26.660 a smart one

00:41:27.200 and they're all elitists

00:41:28.880 for them.

00:41:30.460 They're taking down

00:41:31.300 the statues

00:41:31.960 and crime is rising

00:41:33.320 as they defund police.

00:41:34.640 Oh my gosh,

00:41:35.360 it's so bad.

00:41:36.560 You voted for Trump.

00:41:37.660 You voted for the person

00:41:39.060 who the Klan supported.

00:41:41.900 You voted for the person

00:41:43.680 who Nazis support.

00:41:45.640 You elitists

00:41:46.200 with your geography

00:41:47.060 and your maps

00:41:47.780 and your spelling

00:41:48.980 even though my math

00:41:50.800 and your reading.

00:41:51.840 If you're not going

00:41:52.520 to get vaccinated,

00:41:53.700 you don't want

00:41:54.180 to social distance,

00:41:55.060 you don't want

00:41:55.400 to wear a mask,

00:41:56.560 then maybe you don't

00:41:57.100 want to go to the hospital

00:41:58.040 when you get sick.

00:41:59.360 We have to stop

00:42:00.140 demonizing people.

00:42:01.220 You get it.

00:42:01.780 You get it.

00:42:02.520 Oh God,

00:42:03.200 I forgot all about,

00:42:05.500 Megan,

00:42:05.840 I had forgotten

00:42:06.540 about the handoff

00:42:07.940 between like

00:42:08.820 Lemon and Cuomo

00:42:09.880 and like those

00:42:11.020 like two minutes

00:42:12.000 of awfulness

00:42:13.060 during 2020.

00:42:13.820 Forgotten or blocked out?

00:42:15.140 I maybe,

00:42:15.940 oh my goodness,

00:42:16.740 yeah,

00:42:17.000 maybe blocked out.

00:42:18.380 Wow.

00:42:19.680 That's just a falsity.

00:42:20.900 But I'm a person,

00:42:22.300 you know,

00:42:22.440 I just believe

00:42:22.900 in having relationships

00:42:23.820 with people

00:42:24.320 and talking things out

00:42:25.900 and that can really

00:42:26.560 change things.

00:42:28.460 Bullshit.

00:42:30.180 Bullshit.

00:42:30.860 You heard him

00:42:31.700 say right there

00:42:32.640 he had to get rid

00:42:33.540 of his friends

00:42:34.120 in the red states

00:42:35.000 because they're so backwards

00:42:36.380 and we interspliced

00:42:37.920 a few clips in there,

00:42:38.860 Stu,

00:42:38.940 but you heard it,

00:42:39.680 you know,

00:42:39.840 like those Republicans,

00:42:41.260 you know,

00:42:41.540 like thinking that,

00:42:43.140 oh,

00:42:43.220 those Democrats

00:42:43.920 are those elites

00:42:44.840 with their maps

00:42:46.360 and their geography

00:42:47.460 and he was hysterical.

00:42:49.300 Who does he think

00:42:50.020 he's kidding,

00:42:50.920 right?

00:42:51.240 That's what happens.

00:42:52.660 Ellie Mistal,

00:42:53.880 I'm sure that actress

00:42:54.720 Jennifer Lawrence

00:42:55.620 and Don Lemon,

00:42:57.020 when they get

00:42:57.560 in their leftist circles,

00:42:59.260 just pat themselves

00:43:00.240 on the back

00:43:00.880 for how tolerant

00:43:01.820 they are

00:43:02.680 and what bigots

00:43:03.860 the people on the right

00:43:04.900 are.

00:43:05.040 That's the only reason

00:43:05.900 they had to end

00:43:06.460 every relationship

00:43:07.420 with a red state person.

00:43:08.940 Because they're so bad,

00:43:10.940 but we're still

00:43:11.800 totally willing

00:43:12.640 to have helpful,

00:43:14.240 fruitful conversations.

00:43:16.220 I love that.

00:43:17.180 I love that spin.

00:43:18.180 They're always happy

00:43:19.240 to have fruitful conversations

00:43:20.820 as long as the fruit

00:43:21.760 at the end

00:43:22.720 of that conversation

00:43:23.400 is what their policy

00:43:24.540 desire is.

00:43:25.640 As long as you,

00:43:26.720 they will always come

00:43:27.640 halfway from their point

00:43:29.400 to the socialist point

00:43:31.420 for a nice little,

00:43:32.600 nice little convergence

00:43:34.460 of opinions.

00:43:35.960 It's funny,

00:43:36.500 D.L. Hughley

00:43:37.360 was actually on the show

00:43:39.160 when I worked at CNN

00:43:39.980 with Glenn Beck

00:43:40.780 back in the day,

00:43:41.520 very long time ago.

00:43:42.940 People don't remember

00:43:43.620 this all that well,

00:43:44.860 but we were on Headline News

00:43:46.060 and he came on the show

00:43:48.580 and I would say

00:43:50.560 sort of outlined

00:43:51.620 what he was talking about,

00:43:52.800 the nicey,

00:43:53.560 oh, I would always talk

00:43:55.200 to people across the aisle.

00:43:56.640 Maybe he was that guy.

00:43:57.920 Maybe something changed

00:43:59.220 between 2007 and 2016.

00:44:02.440 Maybe Glenn Beck

00:44:03.080 was the one

00:44:03.400 that screwed him up.

00:44:04.220 I blame him for most things.

00:44:06.000 Maybe it was me.

00:44:06.900 Maybe it was you.

00:44:07.580 Who knows?

00:44:08.000 Maybe you just set him

00:44:08.780 on this path, Megan.

00:44:09.560 I don't know.

00:44:10.440 But I mean,

00:44:10.760 it's so false

00:44:11.700 and it's like,

00:44:12.400 I come back to this

00:44:13.300 over and over again.

00:44:14.040 If you can't keep your friends

00:44:16.240 because they disagree with you

00:44:17.920 on politics,

00:44:19.380 then you're weird.

00:44:21.140 You're bad at being a friend,

00:44:23.960 right?

00:44:24.360 Like if-

00:44:25.020 Well, look,

00:44:25.380 let's be honest.

00:44:26.420 It's the leftists

00:44:27.440 who break up with the righties.

00:44:28.740 I mean,

00:44:28.920 I can't think of one conservative

00:44:30.380 who's dumped a leftist friend.

00:44:32.260 That just,

00:44:32.760 in my experience,

00:44:33.680 that just doesn't happen.

00:44:34.680 It goes the other way around.

00:44:36.500 Yes.

00:44:36.980 Yes.

00:44:37.240 It's only when you're

00:44:38.100 completely antagonized.

00:44:39.420 I've had a couple of friends

00:44:40.560 who have been like,

00:44:41.380 hey,

00:44:41.640 I don't want to,

00:44:42.300 let's just,

00:44:42.640 hey,

00:44:42.760 we don't agree on politics,

00:44:43.960 conservatives,

00:44:44.500 and say,

00:44:44.740 we don't agree on politics.

00:44:45.940 I love you,

00:44:46.500 but like,

00:44:46.800 we just don't agree on this stuff.

00:44:47.780 Let's just flesh it out of our lives.

00:44:49.760 Let's just not talk about that.

00:44:50.760 Let's talk about the things

00:44:51.400 we like agreeing with.

00:44:52.960 And over and over again,

00:44:53.960 it's the liberals who say,

00:44:54.860 no,

00:44:55.700 we must talk about this.

00:44:56.920 It's too important.

00:44:57.720 And basically what they're saying

00:44:59.040 is I'm too important.

00:45:00.560 What I think about the world

00:45:01.660 is so important

00:45:02.860 that our friendship

00:45:04.020 is lower on the food chain

00:45:06.700 than what my bumper stickers

00:45:08.720 say on the back of my Prius.

00:45:10.140 And if that's you,

00:45:10.960 you're bad.

00:45:12.700 One other thought,

00:45:13.740 listen to him whining about,

00:45:15.040 still,

00:45:15.420 Elon Musk

00:45:16.040 and what led to his termination.

00:45:17.680 He's in tears here.

00:45:19.720 Everything that they think about us,

00:45:22.140 you were different.

00:45:22.820 You didn't get angry.

00:45:24.420 You weren't a victim.

00:45:25.860 You didn't blame.

00:45:27.800 You just did.

00:45:29.540 And even in this last thing,

00:45:31.000 so I can't,

00:45:32.160 I can't tell you

00:45:33.020 how proud it makes me

00:45:34.280 to see people like you

00:45:35.640 in a very public way

00:45:36.600 who handle,

00:45:37.880 uh,

00:45:38.540 who handle adversity

00:45:40.520 and,

00:45:41.040 and,

00:45:41.260 and really,

00:45:42.460 I think things

00:45:43.200 that would shatter

00:45:43.640 a lot of people

00:45:44.220 to watch you do that

00:45:45.080 made me very proud.

00:45:46.060 I think he's a white supremacist.

00:45:47.740 I think he supports

00:45:48.540 the notions of white nationalism.

00:45:50.080 And I think having a black man

00:45:51.300 asking them questions

00:45:52.300 was something

00:45:53.020 he wasn't going to take.

00:45:53.980 White supremacists,

00:45:54.800 people are going to take,

00:45:55.560 you know,

00:45:56.580 they're,

00:45:57.200 they're not going to take,

00:45:58.080 they're not going to take that lightly.

00:45:59.180 They're going to go,

00:45:59.540 hey man,

00:46:00.820 you,

00:46:01.160 you're saying that deal.

00:46:02.280 Okay.

00:46:02.760 You're saying

00:46:03.320 that Elon Musk

00:46:04.280 is a white supremacist.

00:46:05.300 That's harsh.

00:46:05.740 I'm saying,

00:46:07.720 I'm saying,

00:46:08.400 yes,

00:46:09.160 I'm saying,

00:46:10.220 yes,

00:46:11.200 I'm saying

00:46:11.760 if it walks like a duck

00:46:13.440 and talks like a duck.

00:46:17.160 Great.

00:46:18.140 That's,

00:46:19.000 I think those are fake tears,

00:46:20.300 actually,

00:46:20.660 now that I see it.

00:46:21.620 He grabbed,

00:46:22.140 I didn't see a tear.

00:46:23.180 He grabbed a tissue

00:46:23.780 and dabbed his eyes

00:46:24.680 because we have to feel sorry

00:46:26.380 for Don

00:46:26.920 because while Elon

00:46:28.280 still lets him platform

00:46:29.280 on X,

00:46:30.020 he doesn't want to pay him

00:46:30.780 the $5 million a year anymore

00:46:32.460 because he,

00:46:33.000 he got to know Don.

00:46:34.020 That's why.

00:46:34.420 Yeah.

00:46:35.740 That was also,

00:46:37.840 that was also ridiculous.

00:46:38.980 It's also allergy season.

00:46:40.240 So I've had a little issue too,

00:46:41.640 but no,

00:46:43.600 I mean,

00:46:44.560 it's also crazy.

00:46:47.500 I mean,

00:46:47.820 it's,

00:46:48.080 it's,

00:46:49.600 you know,

00:46:50.560 I'm sure you believe this,

00:46:52.840 but when you go around

00:46:53.780 calling everybody

00:46:54.800 a white supremacist,

00:46:56.880 what clearly happens

00:46:58.200 is that the word

00:46:59.380 has no meaning.

00:47:00.300 And I mean,

00:47:00.940 you know,

00:47:01.160 you were talking about,

00:47:02.060 you mentioned somebody earlier

00:47:03.100 in the show, Megan,

00:47:03.740 who was legitimately

00:47:04.520 a white supremacist.

00:47:05.420 They Nazi,

00:47:06.140 like all of these things

00:47:06.960 that we all used to agree,

00:47:08.140 like, yes,

00:47:08.560 of course,

00:47:08.920 this can't be platformed.

00:47:10.800 If you pretend

00:47:11.720 that that's the same

00:47:12.520 as Elon Musk,

00:47:13.460 you're really helping out

00:47:14.900 the Nazis.

00:47:15.680 You're really doing them

00:47:16.900 an enormous favor.

00:47:19.900 It's exactly right.

00:47:21.060 And yet they do it

00:47:21.940 all the time.

00:47:24.200 Right?

00:47:24.660 Stu,

00:47:24.920 it's like Dave's right.

00:47:26.180 It goes in one ear

00:47:27.260 and out the other now.

00:47:28.060 And then you have to

00:47:28.580 really pay attention

00:47:29.380 to see,

00:47:29.920 wait,

00:47:30.380 who's genuinely bad?

00:47:31.460 Because we've all

00:47:32.640 been lumped

00:47:33.160 into this crew now.

00:47:35.340 Yeah,

00:47:35.620 it doesn't help.

00:47:36.540 It doesn't help people

00:47:37.300 who are actual

00:47:38.000 victims of racism.

00:47:39.820 And, you know,

00:47:40.100 I don't know.

00:47:40.880 Don Lemon losing

00:47:41.800 his $5 million a year

00:47:43.300 is not something

00:47:43.880 I'm going to cry about.

00:47:45.260 It's white supremacy.

00:47:46.920 Yeah,

00:47:47.120 it's white supremacy.

00:47:47.920 People are saying like,

00:47:48.540 oh,

00:47:48.660 he lost his job

00:47:49.320 because of a conflict

00:47:50.620 filled interview

00:47:52.540 with Elon Musk.

00:47:53.520 No,

00:47:53.680 Elon Musk just said,

00:47:54.620 this is a dumb interview.

00:47:55.840 These questions are dumb.

00:47:57.520 And he just had

00:47:58.520 no place for that.

00:47:59.600 Why am I going to pay

00:48:00.280 somebody to say

00:48:00.900 dumb things on my platform?

00:48:02.760 And I'm not going to

00:48:03.360 send you to outer space

00:48:04.460 and I'm not going to

00:48:05.080 let you be in charge

00:48:05.820 of news content on X.

00:48:07.660 And as I point out,

00:48:08.640 he is basically,

00:48:09.440 opinion was,

00:48:10.280 I've gotten to know you.

00:48:11.860 It's a no.

00:48:13.020 Stu and Dave,

00:48:13.700 stay with us.

00:48:14.260 All the hard news

00:48:14.960 is yet to come.

00:48:15.660 Don't go away.

00:48:20.380 Tonight is the big final

00:48:21.840 in the men's NCAA championship.

00:48:25.160 It's going to be

00:48:25.680 Purdue versus UConn.

00:48:27.100 Go UConn.

00:48:27.780 I had them winning

00:48:28.400 and I still have them

00:48:29.120 winning in my bracket.

00:48:30.400 I have to say,

00:48:31.420 I don't know if you watched

00:48:32.280 the semifinal game,

00:48:34.620 UConn versus Alabama,

00:48:35.820 but it was unbelievable.

00:48:38.500 It was like,

00:48:39.280 these guys look like

00:48:41.060 wizards out there.

00:48:42.520 They were super human.

00:48:45.360 UConn,

00:48:45.800 and there were a couple

00:48:46.320 of players on Alabama

00:48:47.360 who,

00:48:47.820 I mean,

00:48:47.980 even to like a non-sports person

00:48:49.400 like yours truly,

00:48:50.680 I just,

00:48:51.040 my jaw was on the floor

00:48:53.200 watching their,

00:48:55.680 amazing athleticism.

00:48:57.700 So very,

00:48:58.560 very impressive.

00:49:00.040 I don't know Purdue,

00:49:02.020 although I understand

00:49:02.680 they have like a giant

00:49:03.540 on their team,

00:49:04.500 like a seven foot six guy.

00:49:07.420 Anybody,

00:49:08.100 does anybody have UConn

00:49:09.020 winning it tonight?

00:49:11.140 I think UConn will win.

00:49:12.720 Yeah,

00:49:12.880 I think,

00:49:13.140 I mean,

00:49:13.340 honestly,

00:49:13.900 their run is historic.

00:49:14.680 Did you call it

00:49:15.100 in your bracket?

00:49:16.660 If you're Johnny come lately,

00:49:18.120 I don't,

00:49:18.440 I don't care.

00:49:19.280 I think I had Marquette.

00:49:20.820 I think I had Marquette.

00:49:22.320 I think UConn's

00:49:23.040 going to lose tonight.

00:49:24.180 I,

00:49:24.400 I,

00:49:24.740 I,

00:49:25.140 I,

00:49:25.460 I,

00:49:25.800 no,

00:49:26.160 I did watch the Alabama game

00:49:27.520 and I thought that like,

00:49:28.740 I,

00:49:28.900 I thought they seemed

00:49:30.160 for the first time to me,

00:49:32.100 they,

00:49:32.480 they seemed somewhat beatable.

00:49:34.040 So we'll see.

00:49:35.620 That's crazy talk.

00:49:37.560 I don't,

00:49:37.980 I don't say,

00:49:38.380 I mean,

00:49:38.540 I say this not only

00:49:39.400 because I'm from Connecticut,

00:49:40.260 but because they look like

00:49:41.740 super humans out there.

00:49:42.880 I,

00:49:43.100 I can't imagine anybody beating them,

00:49:44.640 but I don't know Purdue.

00:49:45.620 So I,

00:49:45.960 and I don't know what I'm talking about

00:49:47.080 when it comes to sports.

00:49:48.080 So take it all with a hefty grain of salt.

00:49:50.260 Anyway,

00:49:50.640 I have to say I really enjoyed it.

00:49:52.220 It's not easy to make a boiler.

00:49:53.940 I don't know if you've ever made a boiler.

00:49:55.940 That's not an easy thing.

00:49:57.560 Yeah.

00:49:57.740 They're the boiler makers,

00:49:59.020 which is,

00:49:59.720 I mean,

00:50:00.040 what's UConn?

00:50:00.740 The Huskies?

00:50:02.380 Yeah.

00:50:03.780 Purdue is the boiler makers?

00:50:05.780 Boiler makers.

00:50:06.620 Yeah.

00:50:07.720 Tough,

00:50:08.300 right?

00:50:08.420 I don't know what that is.

00:50:09.520 I don't,

00:50:09.880 I don't get it.

00:50:10.480 It's a guy who makes boilers.

00:50:12.980 Actual boils?

00:50:14.100 Boilers?

00:50:14.580 I mean,

00:50:14.780 not boils.

00:50:15.140 I would imagine.

00:50:16.980 Yeah.

00:50:17.220 I'm sure one of your listeners knows.

00:50:20.020 I guess those are trains.

00:50:21.600 I don't know.

00:50:23.760 What are they?

00:50:24.500 They're boiler makers.

00:50:26.660 Old school trains.

00:50:28.180 Mike Pico.

00:50:28.760 Thank you.

00:50:29.580 Our audio engineer.

00:50:31.520 Okay.

00:50:31.960 In any event,

00:50:32.480 I think it's going to be UConn,

00:50:33.460 but you know what?

00:50:34.080 I'll bet you 10 bucks,

00:50:35.160 Dave,

00:50:35.400 and we'll come back and we'll redo it

00:50:36.740 when we get the results.

00:50:38.540 Did you watch the women's final?

00:50:41.260 No,

00:50:41.680 but wait a minute.

00:50:42.200 There's odds on this game.

00:50:43.600 I get out of that.

00:50:45.000 What are they?

00:50:47.160 I don't know.

00:50:47.580 I don't know how this works.

00:50:48.660 I don't bet on sporting events.

00:50:50.560 Horse races.

00:50:51.300 Yes.

00:50:51.700 Will you tell me what we're betting

00:50:52.680 and I'm in?

00:50:53.500 Because I'm.

00:50:53.920 No, 10 bucks.

00:50:55.040 That's all.

00:50:55.600 That's all.

00:50:55.740 Okay.

00:50:56.840 And we'll go along with whatever the answer.

00:50:58.980 I watched the women

00:50:59.840 and it was a foul.

00:51:01.080 I don't know.

00:51:01.440 Stu,

00:51:01.640 did you see that play?

00:51:02.400 I thought it was a foul.

00:51:03.380 It was a foul.

00:51:04.600 You're saying in the final four game

00:51:05.920 with Iowa.

00:51:06.840 Yes,

00:51:07.160 that was a foul.

00:51:08.480 I agree.

00:51:09.200 But in the finals,

00:51:10.280 it was Iowa versus South Carolina.

00:51:12.560 Yeah,

00:51:12.720 that I didn't watch.

00:51:14.200 And Iowa has Caitlin Clark,

00:51:16.020 who's become this huge star.

00:51:18.280 She's amazing.

00:51:18.860 And she's getting all this attention

00:51:20.280 and some nasty press reporters

00:51:23.620 are upset about it.

00:51:26.100 We read a piece on Friday

00:51:27.040 with this woman saying

00:51:27.940 the face of women's basketball

00:51:30.060 has been black

00:51:31.560 and it needs to stay black.

00:51:32.700 Okay,

00:51:34.360 racist.

00:51:36.460 So she's getting a lot of hate

00:51:38.620 from people like that.

00:51:40.420 Of course,

00:51:41.180 Jemele Hill is weighed in.

00:51:42.500 Like a lot of people

00:51:43.220 taking shots at her.

00:51:45.960 Lynette Woodward,

00:51:47.160 who I didn't know,

00:51:48.340 I confess,

00:51:48.740 I'm not a big WNBA

00:51:49.800 or NBA person,

00:51:50.960 but she came out to say

00:51:52.140 her own scoring record stands

00:51:54.140 despite Caitlin Clark

00:51:55.880 beating it

00:51:57.160 because I guess

00:51:58.520 they didn't have three pointers

00:51:59.520 when she was playing,

00:52:00.460 which is just ridiculous.

00:52:01.680 Here she is in SOT 6.

00:52:03.880 I don't think my record

00:52:05.080 has been broken

00:52:05.860 because you can't duplicate

00:52:07.280 what you're not duplicating.

00:52:10.280 So unless you come up

00:52:11.580 with a men's basketball

00:52:13.000 and a two-point shot,

00:52:14.800 you know.

00:52:15.760 But just for you

00:52:23.480 so you can understand

00:52:24.320 so you can help me

00:52:25.520 spread that word.

00:52:28.160 What is that?

00:52:29.400 Talk about ungracious.

00:52:32.460 And Sid Luckman

00:52:33.300 was the greatest quarterback

00:52:34.560 of all time

00:52:35.380 because after him

00:52:36.180 they had face masks.

00:52:37.220 I mean,

00:52:37.660 like,

00:52:38.220 it's ridiculous.

00:52:41.220 Yeah,

00:52:41.660 the sport changes,

00:52:42.720 right?

00:52:43.280 Well,

00:52:43.660 it's like Jimmy Conner,

00:52:44.760 you know,

00:52:45.040 or John McEnroe.

00:52:46.560 Like,

00:52:46.700 their little tennis rackets

00:52:47.520 were about this big.

00:52:48.860 Uh-huh.

00:52:49.920 Yeah,

00:52:50.340 it's weird

00:52:51.040 because,

00:52:51.460 I mean,

00:52:51.660 you know,

00:52:52.080 I grew up in Connecticut

00:52:53.220 around the time

00:52:54.180 that UConn

00:52:55.340 became like

00:52:56.740 a national powerhouse

00:52:57.880 in both men's

00:52:58.520 and women's basketball.

00:53:00.080 And it was

00:53:01.160 sort of a thing

00:53:02.000 that entire time

00:53:02.960 that people,

00:53:03.900 like,

00:53:04.160 were demanding

00:53:04.960 your attention

00:53:05.720 for women's basketball.

00:53:07.140 It was almost like

00:53:08.000 this thing

00:53:08.620 where you had to

00:53:09.280 get into it

00:53:10.520 because

00:53:10.780 there was equality

00:53:12.620 and you had to

00:53:13.180 recognize the wonderful

00:53:14.320 greatness of these athletes.

00:53:15.500 And of course,

00:53:16.000 they do great,

00:53:17.880 amazing things

00:53:18.500 and are great

00:53:19.360 female basketball players.

00:53:21.000 But like,

00:53:21.520 Caitlin Clark has done

00:53:22.200 a totally different thing.

00:53:23.340 She's captured

00:53:23.840 the entire

00:53:24.680 attention

00:53:25.920 of the nation.

00:53:27.080 I have never,

00:53:27.860 I never in my life

00:53:29.120 would I imagine

00:53:29.800 that I cared more

00:53:30.760 about the women's basketball

00:53:31.980 final four

00:53:32.900 than the men's.

00:53:33.660 And that is exactly

00:53:34.300 where I was this year

00:53:35.220 because of her,

00:53:36.460 solely because of her.

00:53:38.220 She has changed

00:53:39.600 because she's an

00:53:40.660 incredibly amazing player.

00:53:42.060 It has nothing to do

00:53:42.960 with her personality.

00:53:44.560 It has nothing to do

00:53:45.600 with anything.

00:53:46.020 It's just that

00:53:46.560 she's just,

00:53:47.160 she's completely

00:53:48.180 changing the sport

00:53:49.520 and doing things

00:53:50.520 that are

00:53:51.700 out of this world.

00:53:53.460 She's pulling up

00:53:54.120 for shots

00:53:54.640 that are as long

00:53:55.880 or longer

00:53:57.000 than Steph Curry

00:53:57.940 and Dame Lillard

00:53:59.080 in the NBA.

00:53:59.980 She's doing amazing things

00:54:01.640 and because of that

00:54:03.060 people are engaged in it.

00:54:04.760 And it is fascinating

00:54:05.920 to watch

00:54:06.600 these old school players

00:54:08.580 and of course

00:54:09.060 you'll always have

00:54:09.660 these three point lines

00:54:10.880 of rule change.

00:54:11.760 It's not like

00:54:12.200 some of these

00:54:12.920 dumb racial complaints.

00:54:14.180 I understand the criticism

00:54:15.200 or at least

00:54:16.340 the delineation there.

00:54:18.380 There's something

00:54:18.780 to be said for that,

00:54:19.520 I suppose.

00:54:20.400 But at the end of the day,

00:54:21.500 these rules change,

00:54:22.580 sports evolve.

00:54:24.120 LeBron James made

00:54:25.100 a lot more three pointers

00:54:25.920 than Michael Jordan was.

00:54:27.320 I don't think anybody

00:54:27.900 believes that Jordan

00:54:28.820 couldn't have made

00:54:29.340 a lot of threes

00:54:30.000 if that was the game style

00:54:31.840 of the time.

00:54:33.160 At the end of the day,

00:54:34.320 though,

00:54:34.780 this is the thing

00:54:35.480 that women's sports

00:54:36.200 has been hoping for

00:54:37.720 and praying for forever

00:54:39.180 for people who are

00:54:40.420 just sports fans

00:54:41.660 to watch it

00:54:42.300 just for the sport,

00:54:43.240 not because they're

00:54:44.340 guilted into it.

00:54:45.620 She's done this

00:54:46.640 by herself

00:54:47.620 and she's getting hate

00:54:48.900 for it.

00:54:49.300 It's insane.

00:54:50.080 Honestly,

00:54:50.800 I think the words

00:54:51.740 you're looking for

00:54:52.460 are thank you.

00:54:53.620 Those are the words

00:54:54.180 you're looking for.

00:54:55.080 Thank you.

00:54:55.800 That's what you should

00:54:56.320 be saying to Caitlin.

00:54:57.460 To his credit,

00:54:58.160 LeBron James tweeted out

00:54:59.340 in support of her

00:55:00.080 as follows.

00:55:01.480 If you don't rock

00:55:02.540 with Caitlin Clark

00:55:03.600 game,

00:55:04.680 you're just a flat-out

00:55:05.880 hater.

00:55:06.600 Stay far away

00:55:07.300 from them,

00:55:07.740 people,

00:55:08.100 please.

00:55:08.600 Right on.

00:55:09.900 You sound very natural

00:55:10.900 reading LeBron James tweets,

00:55:12.500 Megan.

00:55:12.740 I don't know if anyone's

00:55:13.260 told you that before.

00:55:14.420 Was that a cold read

00:55:15.220 or did you spend time

00:55:16.440 with that?

00:55:17.020 It was a cold read.

00:55:17.920 I'm going to have to work

00:55:18.480 on my...

00:55:18.960 You know,

00:55:19.260 I, too,

00:55:19.720 am an actor now,

00:55:20.560 Dave.

00:55:20.740 You're not the only actor

00:55:21.520 on this set.

00:55:22.740 I'm starring in a cartoon.

00:55:24.360 I've been talking

00:55:24.920 to the audience.

00:55:25.160 Oh, yeah,

00:55:25.600 that's right.

00:55:26.120 No, you showed us.

00:55:26.780 That's awesome.

00:55:27.820 My acting chops.

00:55:29.080 Can we not get crazy

00:55:31.620 here, though, people?

00:55:32.520 There is a ceiling

00:55:33.500 for women's sports,

00:55:34.880 all right?

00:55:35.340 Like, you know,

00:55:36.120 I was hanging out

00:55:37.200 recently with MK Hammer,

00:55:39.300 right?

00:55:39.480 And she's apparently

00:55:40.000 a very good athlete.

00:55:41.220 And I said,

00:55:41.740 MK,

00:55:42.240 this is going to

00:55:42.580 sound horrible.

00:55:43.900 And I'm a big soccer fan,

00:55:45.020 but it's just like

00:55:45.480 women's soccer

00:55:46.420 is just unwatchable.

00:55:47.500 It's just bad.

00:55:48.260 It's slow.

00:55:49.620 It just takes forever.

00:55:50.760 And she looked at me

00:55:51.480 and she said,

00:55:51.860 Dave, you're right.

00:55:52.860 So there's a ceiling

00:55:55.460 here,

00:55:55.840 to her credit,

00:55:56.620 right?

00:55:56.840 And I'm sure

00:55:57.340 that when she was

00:55:58.100 on the field,

00:55:58.560 it felt much more

00:55:59.300 exciting.

00:55:59.780 But there is a ceiling

00:56:01.040 here,

00:56:01.360 and I think that we

00:56:01.980 all have to stop

00:56:02.680 pretending that the WNBA

00:56:04.380 is ever going to be

00:56:05.320 the NBA.

00:56:06.160 It's not going to be.

00:56:07.460 But I will defend

00:56:08.500 women's soccer.

00:56:09.740 The only thing I don't

00:56:10.360 like about women's

00:56:10.940 soccer is Megan Rapinoe

00:56:12.320 and her ilk.

00:56:13.120 I'm sick of these

00:56:13.700 woke moralizers out

00:56:15.200 there wearing our

00:56:15.860 team jersey,

00:56:17.460 bashing on America.

00:56:18.740 By the way,

00:56:19.240 Megan Rapinoe's

00:56:19.960 back at it on the

00:56:21.200 wrong side of issues.

00:56:22.060 I'll get to that in a bit.

00:56:24.280 But look,

00:56:24.960 I'll tell you this.

00:56:25.740 We watch girls soccer

00:56:26.980 all the time

00:56:27.400 because my daughter's

00:56:27.940 a soccer player,

00:56:28.320 and it's awesome.

00:56:28.940 It's fast and it's

00:56:29.700 exciting and they're

00:56:30.460 gunners.

00:56:31.080 That's not the same.

00:56:32.280 I don't know women's

00:56:33.220 soccer well enough to

00:56:34.120 defend it in response

00:56:36.100 to what you just said.

00:56:36.780 I believe it was.

00:56:37.600 Didn't the 15-year-old

00:56:38.920 boys team of like

00:56:40.180 Dallas FC

00:56:41.140 beat the women's

00:56:43.040 national team?

00:56:43.880 Well, that's a question

00:56:44.500 about whether they're

00:56:45.120 as good as the men.

00:56:46.740 But that's a question

00:56:47.360 about whether they're

00:56:47.880 as good as

00:56:48.620 and as exciting

00:56:50.740 as the men.

00:56:51.860 Right, but exciting

00:56:52.860 is the problem.

00:56:53.360 That's different than

00:56:53.480 they're just not

00:56:54.120 exciting in their own

00:56:54.840 right.

00:56:55.540 They need to play

00:56:56.200 on a smaller field

00:56:57.100 because there's times

00:56:57.880 that I watch women's

00:56:58.880 soccer when there's

00:56:59.460 like a long pass

00:57:00.300 and like the ball

00:57:00.920 stops.

00:57:02.340 The ball should

00:57:03.220 never stop.

00:57:05.340 You're watching

00:57:05.960 the wrong game.

00:57:06.740 No, I'm telling you

00:57:07.420 my 12-year-old

00:57:08.160 players can get it

00:57:09.600 down the field.

00:57:10.460 All right, so I want

00:57:11.180 to say something else

00:57:11.960 on the women's finals.

00:57:13.700 The coach

00:57:14.920 of the South Carolina

00:57:16.860 team, which was

00:57:17.980 victorious, is named

00:57:19.520 Dawn Staley, and

00:57:21.240 apparently she's a

00:57:22.280 legend in women's

00:57:23.140 basketball.

00:57:24.140 Now she's coaching.

00:57:25.560 And to his credit,

00:57:27.840 Dan Zeksheski, he's

00:57:30.080 over at Outkick Sports,

00:57:31.500 got up before that

00:57:32.640 game and put the

00:57:34.080 question to both

00:57:34.640 coaches.

00:57:35.820 The one for Iowa

00:57:36.480 punted, and the one

00:57:38.500 Dawn, who was coaching

00:57:39.440 South Carolina, answered

00:57:41.020 it as follows.

00:57:41.740 Listen to the Q&A

00:57:42.420 here.

00:57:43.700 One of the major

00:57:44.440 issues facing women's

00:57:45.700 sports right now is

00:57:46.700 the debate, discussion

00:57:48.260 topic about the

00:57:49.000 inclusion of transgender

00:57:49.860 athletes, biological

00:57:51.040 males in women's

00:57:51.980 sports.

00:57:52.320 I was wondering if you

00:57:52.980 would tell me your

00:57:53.920 position on that

00:57:54.960 issue.

00:58:00.600 Damn, you got deep

00:58:02.600 on me, didn't you?

00:58:08.320 I'm on the, I mean,

00:58:11.920 I'm on the, the,

00:58:13.000 opinion of, of, of, if

00:58:22.820 you're a woman, you

00:58:23.540 should play.

00:58:24.520 If you consider

00:58:25.440 yourself a woman, or,

00:58:27.300 and you want to play

00:58:28.360 sports, or vice versa,

00:58:30.000 you should be able to

00:58:31.380 play.

00:58:31.840 So now, the

00:58:33.440 barnstorm of people are

00:58:35.720 going to flood my

00:58:36.560 timeline, and be a

00:58:38.480 distraction to me on one of

00:58:40.460 the biggest, uh, days of,

00:58:43.260 of, of, of our game, and

00:58:46.740 I'm okay with that.

00:58:48.020 I really am.

00:58:51.620 Unbelievable.

00:58:52.820 Complete turncoat to

00:58:54.820 womankind.

00:58:55.140 She gets out there, she

00:58:56.760 gets to the position of

00:58:57.500 power, she gets all of her

00:58:58.820 accolades and awards and

00:59:00.280 all of this spawning

00:59:01.540 praise and money, and

00:59:03.520 when she has a chance to

00:59:04.860 do something for women

00:59:05.760 coming up behind her, she

00:59:06.720 pulls up the ladder and

00:59:08.220 says, play against the men.

00:59:09.300 That's what she just did

00:59:10.180 there.

00:59:10.700 And you've got these

00:59:11.520 lefties all over, like

00:59:13.020 Megan Rapinoe, calling her

00:59:14.540 a national treasure, an

00:59:17.220 ally, a revolutionary,

00:59:18.900 because she's just as

00:59:20.300 guilty.

00:59:21.340 Uh, there's this

00:59:22.000 columnist over at USA

00:59:23.200 Today, Sports, Nancy

00:59:25.300 Armour, who's a repeat

00:59:27.560 violator of women's

00:59:29.280 rights.

00:59:30.020 She can't find the

00:59:31.420 female athlete she wants

00:59:32.580 to protect, who also

00:59:34.320 tweeted out, Dawn

00:59:35.680 Staley is a goddamn

00:59:36.740 national treasure.

00:59:38.420 Uh, you're a goddamn

00:59:39.720 national disgrace,

00:59:41.140 madam, because you have a

00:59:42.700 pen in a very large

00:59:44.220 newspaper, dwindling

00:59:45.380 though by the day, and

00:59:46.560 you too could stand up

00:59:47.600 for women, but you're

00:59:48.360 too cowardly to do it.

00:59:49.780 And you know why?

00:59:51.140 You're not a mother.

00:59:52.700 You don't have to worry

00:59:53.900 about your daughter

00:59:54.940 having to face some

00:59:56.200 six foot four man out on

00:59:58.620 the basketball court like

01:00:00.000 I do.

01:00:01.120 So I don't want to hear

01:00:02.800 from you.

01:00:03.560 Dawn Armour or Nancy

01:00:04.880 Armour's, uh, bio

01:00:06.560 calls her, so she calls

01:00:08.280 herself a proud aunt of

01:00:09.840 three boys.

01:00:10.640 So she doesn't even have

01:00:11.540 nieces.

01:00:12.360 And she, she says, I

01:00:13.680 don't have all the

01:00:14.300 answers, but I'm always

01:00:16.000 looking for more of

01:00:16.860 them.

01:00:17.080 I've got one for you,

01:00:18.060 Nancy.

01:00:18.640 Shut the fuck up until

01:00:19.800 you know what you're

01:00:20.320 talking about because

01:00:21.780 girls are getting hurt by

01:00:23.420 male basketball players

01:00:24.540 posing as girls.

01:00:26.060 I take you out to

01:00:28.140 Massachusetts where

01:00:29.880 Lowell was playing in a

01:00:32.000 game.

01:00:32.340 The Lowell school was

01:00:33.040 playing in a game and

01:00:34.040 they had to call it at

01:00:35.240 the half because three

01:00:36.620 players got hurt.

01:00:37.700 Look at this girl in the

01:00:38.400 black shirt go down.

01:00:39.760 That's a man pretending

01:00:41.100 to be a girl who took

01:00:41.760 the ball from her.

01:00:42.560 Look at her.

01:00:43.080 You watch this, Nancy,

01:00:45.360 Dawn.

01:00:46.660 You two watch this.

01:00:48.320 Look at her writhing in

01:00:49.880 pain after she was

01:00:51.900 injured by a boy

01:00:53.220 pretending to be a girl

01:00:54.980 trying to get up.

01:00:56.560 She can't.

01:00:57.200 She's so hurt.

01:00:58.440 Three others, two others,

01:01:00.200 three total got hurt.

01:01:01.080 They called the game.

01:01:02.260 It's happening over and

01:01:03.700 over and over and over.

01:01:04.860 I'm so sick of these

01:01:06.280 women who are so

01:01:07.720 terrified of the woke

01:01:09.020 mob or trying to shore

01:01:10.260 up their own.

01:01:11.760 Bona fides with this

01:01:13.120 crowd, afraid to say

01:01:14.820 what they know is right,

01:01:16.220 which is it's not safe

01:01:17.660 and it's not fair.

01:01:19.260 And I have a daughter

01:01:21.000 who played basketball

01:01:22.140 just weeks ago.

01:01:24.660 And the thought of her

01:01:25.840 going up against a

01:01:26.980 biological man on that

01:01:28.420 court is terrifying.

01:01:30.080 She would be in danger,

01:01:31.540 but because this legend,

01:01:33.800 Dawn, decides to look

01:01:35.880 woke and empathetic.

01:01:38.420 She's endangered her

01:01:39.600 and all the other girls

01:01:40.680 who play in this.

01:01:41.380 I'm just we've had this

01:01:42.900 discussion before, you

01:01:43.660 guys.

01:01:43.960 I just get so fired up

01:01:45.040 about it because not even

01:01:46.160 a nod, not even a nod

01:01:47.780 toward the issues that

01:01:49.220 biological girls will face

01:01:50.580 if this does get

01:01:51.820 permitted.

01:01:52.980 And by the way, it's

01:01:53.720 technically OK right now

01:01:54.860 in in the NCAA.

01:01:56.960 Dave, what are your

01:01:57.520 thoughts?

01:01:58.500 Yeah, I mean, look,

01:01:59.000 there actually was a nod,

01:02:00.320 right?

01:02:00.480 It was a silent nod.

01:02:02.260 It was the 17 and a half

01:02:03.900 minutes that it took

01:02:04.920 Dawn Staley to answer

01:02:06.060 the question between

01:02:07.360 sips of water, right?

01:02:09.800 Because she knows she

01:02:11.760 knows how abjectly

01:02:13.400 absurd this is.

01:02:14.660 Everybody involved in

01:02:15.620 the conversation knows

01:02:17.500 how abjectly absurd it

01:02:18.720 is.

01:02:18.900 You show that video or

01:02:19.960 you show the picture of

01:02:20.900 Leah Thomas towering

01:02:22.100 over, you know, the

01:02:23.700 women who she just

01:02:25.100 beat in a swimming

01:02:26.280 event.

01:02:26.660 You know, you can't

01:02:28.200 convince the American

01:02:29.120 people that this is

01:02:31.160 normal or this is OK.

01:02:33.720 Right now, Don Staley

01:02:35.660 doesn't have to deal

01:02:36.620 with it, right?

01:02:37.520 I guarantee you, Megan,

01:02:39.920 had 20 minutes later,

01:02:42.380 Iowa decided, you know

01:02:43.640 what, we're going to

01:02:44.580 start the center from the

01:02:46.180 men's basketball team

01:02:47.480 because lo and behold,

01:02:49.400 he suddenly just decided

01:02:51.060 he's a woman.

01:02:51.900 I bet Don Staley would

01:02:53.000 have had a problem with

01:02:53.740 that, right?

01:02:54.380 Until people are

01:02:56.300 confronted with it,

01:02:57.280 they're willing to say,

01:02:58.260 oh, well, it's none of

01:02:58.960 your business.

01:02:59.600 What's the difference?

01:03:00.560 You go back to the germ

01:03:01.760 of the whole trans issue

01:03:03.320 and that was the number

01:03:04.160 one argument.

01:03:04.820 The number one argument

01:03:05.460 was, come on, guys,

01:03:06.420 this is 0.000% of the

01:03:08.320 population.

01:03:08.840 It doesn't have any

01:03:09.580 impact on your life.

01:03:10.840 Well, that changed

01:03:11.920 because there's women's

01:03:13.120 prisons, there's women's

01:03:14.080 shelters, there's women's

01:03:15.080 sports, there's actual

01:03:16.640 public policy at stake

01:03:18.020 here.

01:03:18.560 And so Don Staley is a

01:03:20.700 coward.

01:03:21.140 She proved herself to be a

01:03:22.140 coward.

01:03:22.560 And what else is new?

01:03:24.380 She is a coward.

01:03:25.900 I'm sorry.

01:03:26.720 She's a coward.

01:03:27.620 You're right.

01:03:28.480 This isn't her first foray

01:03:30.040 into the social justice

01:03:31.080 wars, and we've seen the

01:03:33.200 evidence of it in the past

01:03:34.160 too.

01:03:34.460 She was in 2021.

01:03:36.360 She was behind her team.

01:03:38.380 I had no problem with them

01:03:39.480 taking the knee when we

01:03:41.320 played the national anthem.

01:03:42.320 I think we've got video of

01:03:43.280 it.

01:03:45.420 Standby.

01:03:45.900 That's her team.

01:03:49.360 All squatting down.

01:03:51.480 The reason the national

01:03:53.020 anthem was playing, all

01:03:54.060 coaches stood.

01:03:55.960 She thought it was fine.

01:03:57.180 She's tweeted out quite a

01:03:58.320 bit on the social justice

01:03:59.920 wars after Jacob Blake had

01:04:02.540 his run in with cops in

01:04:04.080 Wisconsin where he pulled a

01:04:05.320 knife on them and then wound

01:04:06.780 up shot.

01:04:08.440 She said she the reporting

01:04:10.180 was she hopped on Zoom calls

01:04:11.400 with local reporters knowing

01:04:12.700 she was the only prominent

01:04:14.160 black coach at South Carolina

01:04:15.520 to speak about Jacob Blake.

01:04:18.140 She tweeted past ridiculous

01:04:20.500 with yet another black man

01:04:22.260 shot by cops in front of our

01:04:24.240 very eyes.

01:04:25.620 How many more before we see

01:04:27.000 this end?

01:04:28.100 I'm all for canceling all

01:04:29.580 things sports to focus on

01:04:30.940 this matter.

01:04:31.520 Hashtag BLM.

01:04:34.160 When a disgruntled fan

01:04:35.580 disgruntled claim to be done

01:04:37.540 with Staley after her support

01:04:38.800 of Jacob Blake, she vowed to

01:04:40.080 be herself.

01:04:40.960 Take it.

01:04:41.820 Leave it.

01:04:42.700 I'll leave it, madam.

01:04:43.760 I'll leave it because you're

01:04:44.960 coming at these issues from a

01:04:46.480 place of over emotionality

01:04:48.480 and not facts.

01:04:51.320 And facts are what is

01:04:53.060 important, right?

01:04:53.680 We're supposed to care and

01:04:54.600 protect our daughters.

01:04:55.900 That's supposed to be

01:04:56.640 something obvious.

01:04:57.800 My son is 12 years old and

01:04:59.400 plays a lot of sports.

01:05:00.400 The biggest, strongest kid on

01:05:02.700 his baseball team also plays

01:05:04.500 football.

01:05:05.160 And last year while playing

01:05:06.460 tackle football, he broke his

01:05:08.580 back in a game.

01:05:10.260 12 years old.

01:05:11.300 Now, thankfully, he is fully

01:05:12.640 recovered, but he's a really

01:05:14.820 strong kid, a big kid.

01:05:17.220 And you think about this type

01:05:18.960 of thing when you're talking

01:05:19.640 about a sport where contact is

01:05:21.060 involved.

01:05:21.720 And in basketball, it is.

01:05:23.540 It's a part of the game.

01:05:25.100 You put up girls against boys

01:05:28.620 in that realm.

01:05:30.100 Like, really bad things can

01:05:31.440 happen.

01:05:32.140 We should be doing everything

01:05:32.860 we can to protect women.

01:05:34.440 And a lot of people would think,

01:05:35.300 well, football is a different

01:05:37.240 thing.

01:05:37.840 It's a physical sport.

01:05:39.640 And it's true.

01:05:40.900 But why do you think it's a

01:05:41.960 different thing?

01:05:42.420 If there's no difference between

01:05:43.520 these genders, if there's no

01:05:44.620 problem with this, why wouldn't

01:05:46.780 you want your daughter playing

01:05:48.340 football with a bunch of boys?

01:05:49.660 You wouldn't because it's insane.

01:05:51.980 It's obviously insane.

01:05:54.520 And I just you watch this and you

01:05:56.220 can't believe people come to these

01:05:57.720 conclusions.

01:05:58.240 And I will say on her answer in

01:06:00.340 particular, if it if it's taking

01:06:03.300 you that long to answer, there's a

01:06:05.940 reason for it, you know what

01:06:07.740 you're you know, there's some

01:06:09.180 some line you're trying to walk.

01:06:10.580 Honestly, if it takes that long,

01:06:11.900 that was about the most egregious

01:06:12.920 example I've ever seen.

01:06:13.820 If it takes you that long to

01:06:14.700 answer a question, the only way

01:06:15.940 the only thing you should do at

01:06:16.720 that point is fake a medical

01:06:17.720 condition, just like act like

01:06:19.720 you're about to faint and fall

01:06:21.000 over.

01:06:21.580 It's your only way out of it.

01:06:23.820 Well, the other you can.

01:06:26.640 Here's how the other coach, the

01:06:28.320 coach of Iowa responded, which

01:06:30.540 in her in defense of Don Staley, the

01:06:33.460 other coach went second.

01:06:34.560 So it's probably easier, right?

01:06:36.860 Because she was conferring with

01:06:37.980 her team.

01:06:38.380 Holy shit.

01:06:38.780 They're going to ask me that

01:06:39.400 question.

01:06:40.160 Here's how she answered.

01:06:42.680 Well, thank you for the

01:06:43.680 question.

01:06:44.840 You know, I understand it's a

01:06:46.040 topic that people are

01:06:47.620 interested in.

01:06:48.760 But today, my focus is on the

01:06:50.840 game tomorrow.

01:06:51.500 My players, this is an

01:06:53.680 important game we have

01:06:54.500 tomorrow.

01:06:54.820 And that's what I want to be

01:06:56.180 here to talk about.

01:06:57.140 But I know it's an important

01:06:58.340 issue for another time.

01:07:01.360 Better, better.

01:07:02.500 By the way, it wasn't just

01:07:04.840 Lynn, Massachusetts, where, you

01:07:07.020 know, a six foot tall male

01:07:09.140 tried to play against girls.

01:07:11.160 And in that particular instance,

01:07:12.520 I told you three girls got

01:07:13.580 hurt in San Francisco.

01:07:15.020 We just saw this at Waldorf

01:07:16.300 High School.

01:07:17.820 The captain of the girls team,

01:07:20.400 a boy, Henry, competed in

01:07:23.580 girls sports for at least the

01:07:24.920 last three years, ranked number

01:07:27.020 four in scoring in the North

01:07:29.060 Coast section of California with

01:07:30.500 an average of 20.8 points per

01:07:32.620 game.

01:07:33.000 And at a January game, scored

01:07:35.280 26 points.

01:07:37.800 Towering, towering over the

01:07:39.320 girls.

01:07:40.300 Dawn Staley wants a whole lot

01:07:41.860 more of it.

01:07:43.120 I don't want my kid having

01:07:44.220 anything to do with that NCAA

01:07:46.140 or women's NBA.

01:07:49.220 It's wrong.

01:07:49.860 It's wrong on just so many

01:07:50.820 levels and more of us need to

01:07:51.840 say it.

01:07:52.520 OK, let's get to some harder

01:07:53.740 news.

01:07:54.100 It's like we've done the show in

01:07:55.220 reverse today.

01:07:55.800 Normally we do like some hard

01:07:56.640 news, then more culture.

01:07:57.500 But Trump weighs in big with

01:08:01.260 his stance on abortion.

01:08:03.180 He teased that this was coming

01:08:04.720 last night.

01:08:05.880 And look, I don't really see any

01:08:07.800 change in Trump's positions all

01:08:10.600 along.

01:08:11.060 You know, he's never been some

01:08:11.960 diehard social conservative.

01:08:13.880 He never kind of claimed

01:08:15.280 otherwise.

01:08:16.240 But he's come out now to try to

01:08:17.840 thread the needle on abortion.

01:08:19.560 The three of us have talked about

01:08:20.580 this issue, too, and whether the

01:08:22.340 Republicans need to get more

01:08:23.420 realistic on their messaging if

01:08:24.680 they want to win elections.

01:08:25.500 That seems to be where Trump

01:08:26.620 landed.

01:08:27.440 He is getting blowback from the

01:08:28.700 left and the right on this,

01:08:30.760 which probably means he's doing

01:08:31.700 it right.

01:08:32.140 But you tell me here's a bit of

01:08:33.600 Trump on the issue.

01:08:36.620 The Republican Party should

01:08:37.860 always be on the side of the

01:08:39.540 miracle of life and the side of

01:08:41.220 mother's father, their

01:08:42.960 beautiful babies.

01:08:43.880 And that's what we are.

01:08:45.500 IVF is an important part of that

01:08:47.440 and our great Republican Party

01:08:49.200 will always be with you.

01:08:50.520 It must be remembered that the

01:08:52.320 Democrats are the radical ones

01:08:53.980 on this position because they

01:08:56.040 support abortion up to and even

01:08:58.260 beyond the ninth month.

01:09:00.320 My view is now that we have

01:09:01.520 abortion where everybody wanted

01:09:03.240 it from a legal standpoint, the

01:09:05.680 states will determine by vote or

01:09:07.500 legislation or perhaps both.

01:09:10.000 And whatever they decide must be

01:09:12.040 the law of the land.

01:09:13.420 In this case, the law of the state.

01:09:16.320 Like Ronald Reagan, I am strongly in

01:09:18.340 favor of exceptions for rape,

01:09:20.760 incest and life of the mother.

01:09:22.620 You must follow your heart of this

01:09:24.540 issue.

01:09:24.920 But remember, you must also win

01:09:26.880 elections to restore our culture

01:09:28.600 and, in fact, to save our country,

01:09:30.960 which is currently and very sadly

01:09:33.220 a nation in decline.

01:09:35.620 Always go by your heart.

01:09:37.580 But we must win.

01:09:39.080 We have to win.

01:09:42.100 There it is at the end.

01:09:43.720 But as I say, blowback from both

01:09:45.740 sides.

01:09:46.320 I'll give you just an example.

01:09:47.800 Our friend Ali Beth Stuckey, who is

01:09:49.480 a very Christian conservative

01:09:51.700 response, weak, weak statement

01:09:53.840 that is a signal for independents who

01:09:55.980 will never vote for him anyway.

01:09:57.660 She writes, IVF involves

01:09:59.860 eugenics, the indefinite freezing of

01:10:02.060 embryos and the mass discarding of

01:10:03.940 embryos because he also defended IVF.

01:10:06.480 Babies conceived via rape and incest

01:10:08.500 are just as much babies as any other.

01:10:10.480 Why do they deserve the death penalty

01:10:11.680 for the circumstances of their

01:10:12.940 conception?

01:10:13.840 This simply is not a pro-life

01:10:15.680 statement.

01:10:16.360 And then the left is freaking out

01:10:18.060 that he acknowledges his role in

01:10:21.240 getting Roe overturned.

01:10:23.460 So, Stu, what do you make of the

01:10:25.140 statement?

01:10:26.220 I mean, I think it's an appropriate

01:10:28.600 pragmatic statement for the politics

01:10:31.400 of today.

01:10:32.220 I mean, it's it's kind of what the

01:10:33.500 Supreme Court said.

01:10:34.600 There was rumors of him just, you

01:10:36.740 know, thinking about a 14 to 16 week

01:10:39.220 ban rolled out nationally, which I

01:10:40.980 don't think makes much sense.

01:10:43.260 First of all, it it only it only would

01:10:45.600 stop about five percent of abortions

01:10:47.500 anyway.

01:10:48.280 So it's not going to please the pro-life

01:10:49.420 side.

01:10:49.900 It would another from the pro-life

01:10:51.280 side.

01:10:51.580 It would not I think would give people

01:10:53.080 an excuse to never address the issue

01:10:54.580 again.

01:10:54.920 And that's why it would scare me as

01:10:55.960 someone who is pro-life.

01:10:58.040 You know, constitutionally, I would

01:11:00.320 prefer it to be there'd be a

01:11:01.920 constitutional amendment to prevent it.

01:11:03.380 That's my my position.

01:11:04.440 But my position is not very popular.

01:11:06.980 And so him thinking as a politician, I

01:11:09.080 can see why pragmatically it would

01:11:11.240 make more sense.

01:11:12.080 This is what the Supreme Court said.

01:11:13.880 I think there are there are some

01:11:15.280 Supreme Court issues with the idea

01:11:18.120 of a national ban, particularly of how

01:11:20.020 they explained in that ruling what

01:11:22.220 they believe the role of the states

01:11:23.580 were.

01:11:24.460 I don't think that necessarily passing

01:11:25.940 a ban like that would even pass

01:11:27.320 constitutional muster.

01:11:29.140 I think an amendment would be

01:11:30.200 something I would definitely support.

01:11:31.320 But that's not something Donald

01:11:32.980 Trump, I think, feels in his heart.

01:11:34.580 He has a record for pro-lifers that

01:11:36.780 I think you'd have to be proud of as

01:11:38.940 a pro-lifer.

01:11:39.520 I never thought I would see the day

01:11:41.160 that Roe versus Wade was overturned.

01:11:42.700 And the fact that that happened, he

01:11:44.160 deserves a significant amount of credit

01:11:46.120 for.

01:11:47.120 But you're right.

01:11:47.880 It's never been his hardcore position.

01:11:49.680 He's he's not he's not an ideologue on

01:11:51.880 this.

01:11:52.160 This is something that I think he

01:11:53.840 believes the pro-life causes the right

01:11:55.920 side.

01:11:56.380 But he is, I think, more concerned with

01:11:59.240 being elected right now.

01:12:00.660 And that was the tone of the statement.

01:12:03.580 I think it's probably good for the next

01:12:06.520 year of politics.

01:12:08.180 I don't think it's the right moral stance

01:12:10.160 long term.

01:12:11.180 But I agree with Ali on some of what she

01:12:13.640 said there.

01:12:14.540 But I do think when it comes down to where

01:12:17.860 he should stand, the choices being between

01:12:20.240 a pushing for a 14 week ban, which while it

01:12:23.180 polls really well, I mean, that that polls

01:12:25.820 really well.

01:12:27.140 60, 70, 80 percent of Americans agree with

01:12:29.960 it when you ask them in outside of

01:12:31.840 politics whether they want to ban at that

01:12:33.480 age or that gestation.

01:12:35.760 But still, like when it comes down to

01:12:37.120 politics, that's not where the country is

01:12:38.900 right now.

01:12:39.380 And of course, we see in election after

01:12:41.480 election, this is what the Democrats are

01:12:43.400 targeting the right with.

01:12:45.580 They are trying to win elections based on

01:12:47.160 this.

01:12:47.420 If they've had some success doing it, I

01:12:49.140 think he's trying to sidestep it.

01:12:51.820 You know, Dave, Paul Sperry, who writes

01:12:53.700 for Real Clear Politics, does investigations

01:12:55.560 over there, tweeted out the

01:12:57.040 following.

01:12:57.780 Barring a black swan event, the two biggest

01:13:00.320 game changers this election will be RFK

01:13:02.280 Jr. on the ballot and abortion on the

01:13:05.240 ballot.

01:13:05.680 The Democrats have a they have a good one

01:13:07.460 here.

01:13:07.940 They got a live one and it is driving

01:13:10.000 their base to to turn out.

01:13:12.440 We've seen that in every single election,

01:13:14.220 whether it's special or midterm after

01:13:16.340 Dobbs, which overruled Roe.

01:13:18.720 I mean, I think Trump, whatever you say

01:13:21.140 about Trump, he's got political acumen

01:13:23.200 in spades.

01:13:25.500 And I think he sees this.

01:13:26.600 He sees this coming at him.

01:13:27.560 RFK Jr.

01:13:28.440 on the ballot helps Trump.

01:13:29.560 Abortion does not.

01:13:32.100 Look, I think that this is the right move

01:13:34.740 from Trump.

01:13:36.000 I'm very sympathetic to everything that

01:13:37.940 Allie Beth said.

01:13:38.800 And as a pro-life Catholic, I think that

01:13:41.400 every abortion is is the horrific ending

01:13:44.580 of a human life.

01:13:45.700 Right.

01:13:46.040 But I almost I almost view abortion in a

01:13:49.300 sense in the way that I view racism and that

01:13:51.980 you can only legislate it up to a point.

01:13:54.960 Right.

01:13:55.440 There's a point which you can say, like, OK, you

01:13:58.460 can't have overt discrimination.

01:14:00.440 There's things you can do.

01:14:02.000 But ultimately, for a society to overcome racism,

01:14:04.480 the law can't do that.

01:14:06.620 The society has to do it.

01:14:08.040 People have to decide, no, this is not acceptable.

01:14:10.140 This is irrational.

01:14:10.980 This is bad.

01:14:12.640 That's where our society has to arrive at in

01:14:17.040 abortion.

01:14:18.260 And I think that's the Trump's state by state

01:14:21.020 approach actually kind of offers an opportunity

01:14:23.640 here in that states can be laboratories.

01:14:26.580 Right.

01:14:27.240 There are going to be red states where it's going

01:14:29.280 to be very difficult to obtain an abortion.

01:14:31.580 It is going to be the responsibility of the

01:14:34.060 people in those states to figure out what do we

01:14:36.100 do with these moms?

01:14:37.320 What do we do with these kids?

01:14:38.940 How are we going to make this work?

01:14:40.500 And if we're able to do that in red states, if

01:14:44.120 we're able to create a reasonable path for

01:14:47.420 forward, I think that has the opportunity to do a

01:14:50.340 lot more to save lives and to limit abortion than

01:14:54.200 than these sort of like very online or very on TV

01:14:58.040 political fights.

01:15:00.000 I think he had to do it.

01:15:02.900 And he says over and over in there, we must win.

01:15:05.380 We must win.

01:15:06.200 We must win.

01:15:07.260 And it's fine to stand on principle from the

01:15:10.040 sidelines while the Democrats take over everything,

01:15:12.720 the White House, the Senate and the House.

01:15:15.520 What's going to happen to the unborn babies then?

01:15:18.020 What's going to happen to all life issues then?

01:15:21.840 Trump's thinking strategically, and that's what one

01:15:24.840 must do in order to win elections, not just the

01:15:26.880 presidency, but the Senate, which controls the

01:15:29.340 Supreme Court confirmations and beyond.

01:15:32.560 So that's just a reality of governing.

01:15:34.600 People need to understand that.

01:15:36.540 On the subject of RFKJ, you know, I never know how to

01:15:40.900 pronounce his name.

01:15:41.800 Senk Uyghur.

01:15:43.300 How do you pronounce his name?

01:15:44.280 Is that how you say it?

01:15:44.740 It's Gichos, right?

01:15:45.200 Isn't it?

01:15:45.600 I think it's Jank.

01:15:46.300 Jank.

01:15:47.600 Jank.

01:15:48.080 Jank.

01:15:48.420 Okay.

01:15:49.220 Forgive me.

01:15:50.160 I've seen it written a million times, but I've rarely heard it

01:15:53.760 pronounced good.

01:15:54.220 I don't actually watch his show.

01:15:57.340 But he's a voice on the left that makes a lot of noise, and

01:16:00.520 sometimes I agree with the guy, and sometimes I don't.

01:16:02.900 He has come out to say, and he did sort of like a fig leaf run for

01:16:10.260 president where he knew he couldn't win.

01:16:12.080 He was born in Turkey.

01:16:13.500 We don't allow people not born in the United States to run for

01:16:16.180 president, but he was trying to make a point about Joe Biden.

01:16:18.840 Didn't go anywhere.

01:16:20.000 And now he's come out and said he's actually considering voting for

01:16:24.640 RFKJ.

01:16:25.460 Listen here.

01:16:25.880 The headlines are wrong.

01:16:28.440 He didn't say that Biden is definitely a bigger threat.

01:16:31.480 He said he could make an argument for that.

01:16:33.620 He's right to be concerned about Biden being a threat to democracy himself.

01:16:37.300 They love to rig elections.

01:16:39.220 Yes, I use the word rigged, okay?

01:16:41.560 So you can go cry about it if you're mainstream media.

01:16:43.720 How about you do your job and talk about how they canceled the election in

01:16:46.840 Florida in the primary, and just declared Biden the winner.

01:16:49.820 So if you're going to make the argument that you're a champion of democracy,

01:16:53.740 you should probably try it in your own primaries.

01:16:56.360 For the first time today, I'm now considering RFK Jr.

01:17:03.020 So he's not alone.

01:17:04.700 He's not alone.

01:17:05.560 There was a fair amount of talk about RFKJ online.

01:17:09.820 Some saying, okay, I know it's anecdotal, but a lot of my friends are voting for him.

01:17:16.380 More and more people are considering him, people who just can't pull the lever for Trump.

01:17:20.060 People who have had it with this Democrat party.

01:17:22.960 I don't think the guy has any real chance of actually winning.

01:17:26.640 But the point is, he really could be a massive spoiler, in particular for the Democrats,

01:17:31.820 as Paul Sperry points out this fall.

01:17:34.500 And I think while the Democrats really hoped he would have faded into obscurity by now,

01:17:38.220 he hasn't.

01:17:39.360 He's still running it over, well, like 11% and getting on the ballot.

01:17:43.940 Now that he's named his vice president, he can get on the ballot in even more of the swing

01:17:47.120 states.

01:17:47.520 And that's all it takes.

01:17:48.320 That would tip the election by all these polls, Stu, to Trump.

01:17:53.640 Yeah, I think there was a question about that going in.

01:17:55.800 I mean, obviously, RFK Jr.

01:17:58.060 played a lot toward the right when he was actually in the Democratic primary.

01:18:04.560 He was trying to separate himself, I think, from Biden.

01:18:08.000 And of course, his views have come, certainly his COVID views in particular, were very popular

01:18:13.320 among conservative voters.

01:18:15.780 So there's some question going in.

01:18:17.360 He was going on conservative podcasts.

01:18:19.220 He was all over conservative media.

01:18:20.720 And there's a question going in who he would hurt more.

01:18:23.960 I mean, I looked at now dozens and dozens and dozens of polls.

01:18:26.240 I think the answer is he hurts Biden more, at least right now, unless something changes.

01:18:31.060 It's not a complete blow away in that.

01:18:33.640 Sometimes I think you can see equal poll from both sides.

01:18:36.980 But generally speaking, I think it's affecting Biden more.

01:18:40.960 And I think that's appropriate.

01:18:42.540 You know, there are conservative voters I know who who sound a little bit like Jank or

01:18:46.940 Sink, whatever his name is, who think, you know, I'm not Jank, you Jank Uger, you pronounce

01:18:52.960 it Jank, Jank Uger with apologies to Mr. Uger, because I've been butchering it here.

01:18:57.860 Go ahead.

01:18:58.620 I've been doing it for multiple years.

01:18:59.800 Don't worry.

01:19:00.460 But yeah, Jank Uger, you know, a lot of people I've talked to on the conservative side

01:19:05.520 sound a little bit like him.

01:19:06.680 Like I'm not, you know, maybe they're not the biggest Trump fan.

01:19:09.200 And they think, well, I liked what RFK Jr.

01:19:11.540 said about the about COVID and vaccine mandates.

01:19:14.960 And I I like what he sort of found a new but newfound border talk inside of him, which

01:19:21.980 I'm highly skeptical of.

01:19:23.600 But like when you look at RFK Jr.'s viewpoints overall, this is a man who went on stage in

01:19:30.440 front of hundreds of thousands of people and said that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck should

01:19:36.740 be tried for treason because of their climate views.

01:19:41.420 Oh, RFKJ?

01:19:42.900 RFKJ did this.

01:19:44.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:44.400 This is a you know, and we all know what what the Constitution calls for when it comes to

01:19:49.400 a treason punishment.

01:19:52.900 The punishment is death.

01:19:55.080 This is a person who would absolutely love to control every single aspect of your life

01:20:00.880 when it comes to what kind of energy you use, what kind of car you buy.

01:20:05.520 He is an absolute extremist on this stuff.

01:20:09.740 And most of his views line up to what we would call an old school liberal, someone from back

01:20:17.300 in the day.

01:20:17.700 One of the reasons why the right has affinity to him right now is because a lot of people

01:20:21.740 on the right oppose, for example, funding Ukraine.

01:20:25.100 And RFK Jr. has not bought into the new Democratic alignment where now we're supposed to fund

01:20:31.780 all these foreign wars.

01:20:32.960 He's that old school Democrat.

01:20:34.880 And that's why I think he appeals to a lot of people on the left.

01:20:37.980 And I think he will hurt Biden more.

01:20:40.100 He does have his overall policy set is absolutely very, very liberal.

01:20:45.540 And I think conservative voters should be very wary of falling in love with one or two

01:20:49.620 of his somewhat newfound views that appeal to the right.

01:20:52.780 But he is an absolute dyed-in-the-wool liberal going back many, many years.

01:20:57.620 And that's not going to change.

01:20:58.600 If he gets in power, he is not going to—I mean, he's not going to win, as you point out.

01:21:03.700 But if he were to win, he would not hesitate to use the power of that office in ways you

01:21:08.420 would not like.

01:21:10.420 But as a spoiler who pulls votes from Biden, if you don't want a second Biden term, you

01:21:17.000 got to be feeling pretty good about his presence in this race and the fact that it's sustaining

01:21:22.220 and he's going to get on more ballots, in more swing states, and people like Cenk are

01:21:27.980 migrating over to him because they've had it with the Democratic Party.

01:21:32.140 I got to take a quick break, and we're going to come back.

01:21:34.520 We're going to talk about what's happening with Trump's VP pick.

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01:22:42.260 So the speculation over Trump's VP pick continues and it's starting to get a little louder.

01:22:50.260 Politico has a piece out today saying,

01:22:51.900 The campaign has already hired an outside firm to vet candidates and prepare research documents.

01:22:56.940 The names under consideration continue to be in flux, according to multiple people familiar

01:23:00.600 with the list who describe it as being in pencil, not in pen.

01:23:04.920 He's going to draw this out apprentice style.

01:23:07.220 That sounds like Trump.

01:23:08.560 Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican from Alabama, says,

01:23:11.500 All I can tell you is if you're hearing any names, it ain't going to be them.

01:23:15.840 It's all propaganda.

01:23:16.920 But for what it's worth, Politico says, said to be on the list, number one,

01:23:22.660 well, not in any particular order, but listed in this order in Politico,

01:23:26.360 Tim Scott, Kristi Noem, Byron Donalds, Elise Stefanik, Tulsi Gabbard, J.D. Vance,

01:23:30.780 Katie Britt, Marco Rubio, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and Doug Burgum.

01:23:35.860 And there was reporting over on Morning Wire where Dave Marcus also reports around Tim Scott

01:23:42.660 being perhaps receiving more weight than those others, Dave.

01:23:46.520 So what do you think?

01:23:48.840 Do you think Tim Scott does have a better chance?

01:23:51.300 Or do you think it's in the Tuberville camp of if you're hearing a name, it ain't going to be them?

01:23:56.380 I stand with Morning Wire.

01:23:58.040 No, I do.

01:24:01.120 I don't know if that was Cabot.

01:24:02.120 I don't know who that was.

01:24:02.860 If it was Cabot, I didn't catch it.

01:24:04.860 But was it Megan Basham?

01:24:06.980 Megan.

01:24:07.340 Yeah.

01:24:07.580 Yeah.

01:24:07.740 Well, look, Megan's very often right.

01:24:10.620 Yeah, look, I think Tim Scott makes lots of sense for very obvious reasons that people have talked about quite a bit.

01:24:20.040 Personally, I think Rubio is a guy who, to me, makes the most sense.

01:24:24.920 I think that, you know, what's the line in Rocky?

01:24:27.060 You know, they fill gaps with each other.

01:24:29.740 I feel like Rubio fills some of those gaps.

01:24:32.880 In a way, somewhat similar to Pence, although Rubio is a little more sort of foreign policy.

01:24:38.580 That's where I think Rubio helps him.

01:24:40.760 But listen, I think it could be any of those people.

01:24:43.120 I think it probably doesn't matter much in terms of how the election plays out.

01:24:48.260 I think it matters an awful lot in terms of the future of the Republican Party, though.

01:24:52.720 And I think that either a Tim Scott or a Marco Rubio might be a little scary to the hardcore MAGA people who want to keep Trump's circle very small, who want to keep everybody else out.

01:25:07.060 I think either of those choices would sort of open Trump world in a way that they wouldn't be completely comfortable with, if that makes sense.

01:25:13.920 Mm-hmm.

01:25:14.420 Okay.

01:25:14.720 But now the problem with Rubio is if this is a tight election, it can't be Rubio because they're both from Florida.

01:25:20.620 It's this thing with the 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which says that electors cannot vote for both a president and vice president from their own state.

01:25:29.980 Taken at face value, quoting here from a Miami Herald piece explaining it, that would prevent Florida's 30 presidential electors from voting for a hypothetical Trump-Rubio ticket.

01:25:40.740 And there's no way in which Trump can lose the electoral votes of Florida.

01:25:44.840 I mean, it would take quite the landslide.

01:25:46.680 That's not a risk he's likely to take.

01:25:48.240 And neither man is likely to leave Florida before November, so as, you know, their home state.

01:25:53.180 So anyway, that's a problem for Rubio.

01:25:54.480 I mean, if they're talking about him, though, they've got to have some way of—I mean, you know, Trump moves back to New York.

01:26:00.280 I don't know.

01:26:00.660 Yeah.

01:26:01.000 Not with Letitia James as the—

01:26:03.100 Or he's being sued in criminal and civil court at every turn.

01:26:07.460 I don't know if he wants to go back there, but is Rubio that important to Trump?

01:26:11.320 I don't know.

01:26:11.700 Go ahead, Stu.

01:26:12.100 Yeah, he's got buildings all over the country.

01:26:14.360 He could theoretically move.

01:26:15.440 I mean, Cheney did this back with Bush back in the day because he wound up going to Wyoming to make this happen.

01:26:20.700 It can be done.

01:26:22.360 I'm with you, though.

01:26:23.120 I'm not really convinced that—I don't know.

01:26:25.440 It doesn't seem like—it would be an interesting move.

01:26:28.520 I mean, I think the base at this point seems very anti, as I was mentioning before, like the Ukraine war and funding Ukraine, where, you know, Rubio is pretty aggressive on that front.

01:26:38.480 They would disagree, I think, on foreign policy a decent amount.

01:26:43.080 It's interesting, too.

01:26:44.120 I think, like—I was thinking about this from Trump's perspective.

01:26:47.760 I think to him, the vice president is basically meaningless, right?

01:26:51.120 Like, it's him.

01:26:52.100 He's the president of the United States.

01:26:53.840 He's Donald Trump.

01:26:54.580 He's making these decisions.

01:26:55.600 I don't think—I think he thinks of someone that might be able to help him on the fringes.

01:27:00.140 But if you think about after going through what he went through in 2020, to me, I think the most important thing to him would be someone that, in a moment like that, would not find some sort of constitutional conscience that would prevent him from taking the steps that he believes are right.

01:27:18.020 Forget what you think about 2020 and all the stuff that went on.

01:27:21.040 I tend to think that Mike Pence did very much the right thing back then.

01:27:24.900 But I don't—you know, Donald Trump doesn't.

01:27:27.840 Donald—I would think that anyone he believes is going to stand up to him in a moment like that is off the table immediately.

01:27:35.260 And I don't know.

01:27:35.940 I would argue probably Rubio would fall into that.

01:27:39.140 You know, people have brought up Christy Noem, which I think is an interesting person, because Christy is someone who's backed Trump from the beginning, backed most of the stuff he's said publicly.

01:27:48.700 Right out of central casting, if you—which is what Donald Trump says all the time.

01:27:55.020 And also is someone who is—while she is smart and an interesting figure, is not particularly, like, electric as a speaker, not someone who's like Vivek Ramaswamy, who might be someone who's going to take a lot of attention away from Trump.

01:28:09.220 I think Trump wants someone who's going to—

01:28:10.460 Not mentioned on this list.

01:28:11.860 Christy Noem, as you point out, central casting, she is a very popular governor of South Dakota.

01:28:17.240 She's also very attractive.

01:28:19.200 And Trump does care.

01:28:20.600 He does—he basically sees people as, you know, what number are you on the 1 through 10 scale?

01:28:27.300 And, I mean, I'm not going to say who, but I know somebody who went to the White House for a visit, and this person was there with their wife, and Trump said to the husband, your wife's A, and gave her a number.

01:28:44.380 Gave the guy's wife Trump's number.

01:28:47.760 Okay, so he cares.

01:28:51.520 He cares about attractiveness, which the audience can make up their own minds, whether that rules in or out the list I just read.

01:28:58.580 Keep going, Stu.

01:28:59.180 I interrupted you.

01:29:00.480 No, no.

01:29:00.820 I think that is part of the equation.

01:29:03.140 Look, Trump, of course, recognizes, as you mentioned, with his apprentice sort of rollout of this, he recognizes the drama of these moments.

01:29:09.060 He recognizes these are television moments at some point.

01:29:11.620 And I think he would—look, he wants someone who is confident that, God forbid, if something happened to him, they would be able to do the job.

01:29:17.760 You know, Mike Pence certainly fell into that.

01:29:20.040 But, you know, I think his calculation here has to be somebody he thinks would line up with him in one of those moments.

01:29:28.940 And I—there's a lot of—you know, like Ted Cruz has been mentioned.

01:29:32.860 Cruz—look, Cruz is an interesting guy.

01:29:36.780 I think he'd be a very good defender of Donald Trump.

01:29:39.120 He's obviously very, very smart, does a lot of things well.

01:29:42.160 I don't know that he's particularly as well-liked as, you know, nationally as I'd prefer his policies to be.

01:29:49.440 But I think at the end of the day, Ted Cruz loves the Constitution.

01:29:53.380 He can recite it from memory.

01:29:55.120 I don't think that's the type of person he wants there.

01:29:57.400 I think he wants someone who's going to see his way on these—in these big moments.

01:30:03.140 Kristi Noem, I think, falls into that category.

01:30:04.880 And she kind of checks all the boxes.

01:30:07.600 So that would be an interesting one.

01:30:08.540 The other one, too, we always talk about vilifying the sort of identity politics thing.

01:30:15.060 And Donald Trump famously, you know, says he doesn't care about this.

01:30:18.320 I'm fascinated by how many of the candidates kind of fall into this, well, it's got to be either a woman or a person of color or whatever.

01:30:26.040 One of the people that I think makes a lot of sense for him is J.D. Vance.

01:30:30.120 Vance is kind of an intellectual when it comes to this sort of Trumpian view.

01:30:36.020 He's a vigorous defender of his policies.

01:30:39.620 And he's famous.

01:30:40.160 He's good on television.

01:30:40.920 He's going to like that.

01:30:41.580 He's famous.

01:30:42.140 Trump likes famous people.

01:30:43.380 He knows media.

01:30:44.380 He knows how to do television.

01:30:45.860 He'd be good in a debate.

01:30:47.200 I mean, there's a lot there.

01:30:48.400 He's got an amazing story.

01:30:50.960 Amazing.

01:30:51.740 I mean, go back and read his book, Hillbilly Elegy.

01:30:55.280 Is it Elegy?

01:30:56.640 Yeah.

01:30:57.160 Yeah.

01:30:57.320 I always screw that word up.

01:30:58.820 And I read that book cover to cover.

01:31:00.940 And I've said to the audience before, my favorite interview I've ever done was of J.D. Vance in depth at NBC.

01:31:06.220 We met his whole family.

01:31:07.880 We had a heartfelt interview with, of course, J.D., but also his sister, Lindsay, who he absolutely adores and who adores him.

01:31:15.800 Their bond.

01:31:16.600 Go ahead.

01:31:16.900 Just Google it.

01:31:17.420 Go YouTube.

01:31:18.160 Megyn Kelly, J.D. Vance, NBC.

01:31:20.300 And it will be well worth your time.

01:31:22.460 You will fall in love with this guy.

01:31:23.620 He's a special person.

01:31:25.660 Go ahead, Dave.

01:31:26.780 Yeah, I think I think I'm going to push back on Stu a little bit.

01:31:29.180 I think that Vance is too isolationist, too anti-Ukraine funding, too much of a bunker America type for Trump.

01:31:38.860 Who, you know, because I was going to ask you, Stu, like when you said that Rubio is more pro-Ukraine and so they would you said they would disagree about that.

01:31:47.360 I was curious if you meant by they, Trump and Rubio or those strong MAGA types, because I absolutely agree that the strong MAGA types are going to disagree.

01:31:58.500 Donald Trump is by no stretch of the imagination come out against Ukraine at all.

01:32:03.920 It's true.

01:32:04.240 I mean, not even a little bit.

01:32:06.360 Which is fascinating.

01:32:06.820 I mean, I think that he's he's sort of backed off of it.

01:32:10.780 But so did you mean Trump himself or did you mean more of the base there or?

01:32:14.560 I mean, his I mean, his the big MAGA type is definitely what I believed.

01:32:18.480 I also don't think Trump really cares, frankly, about what they think.

01:32:22.120 You know, he I think he thinks I'm Donald Trump and they're going to like what I what I like.

01:32:27.740 And I have a job.

01:32:28.420 But Johnson's probably going to put Ukraine aid on the floor this week.

01:32:33.060 Right.

01:32:33.640 Is Donald Trump going to is Donald Trump going to go say, like, vote no on Ukraine aid?

01:32:38.200 J.D. Vance sure as hell is.

01:32:40.000 Oh, yeah, he definitely will.

01:32:41.020 Right.

01:32:41.340 Definitely will.

01:32:42.260 I don't I don't I don't know that Donald Trump's going to do that.

01:32:45.400 He hasn't so far.

01:32:46.300 I mean, so far, Trump's answer to Ukraine is get me in a room with them.

01:32:49.660 I'll I'll figure it out.

01:32:50.960 But he's not David Sachs running around saying Ukraine can't win.

01:32:55.340 Take what you can right now.

01:32:56.760 Give up.

01:32:57.300 I mean, that has not been the Trumpian approach to Ukraine.

01:33:00.860 It's been fascinating.

01:33:01.440 You know, we deal with people all the time that are calling.

01:33:03.620 A lot of them are, you know, on the radio show and a lot of them are big Trump supporters.

01:33:07.700 Many of them do not agree at all with Ukraine funding.

01:33:10.940 And it's the biggest issue for them.

01:33:12.760 And it's like when you remind them that what Donald Trump's position on this has been is if if they don't come up with a deal immediately,

01:33:20.600 I will give more weapons to Ukraine than has ever been seen.

01:33:23.580 That has actually been his stated position on this.

01:33:25.980 But, you know, as is this is the same thing I would say with with the vaccines, where, like, you know, a lot of people are really skeptical of vaccines.

01:33:32.540 They think it's the worst thing in the world.

01:33:34.320 They think it's I mean, I get people who, you know, call in and they're saying this is like one of the worst thing that's ever happened to humanity.

01:33:40.060 But I'm voting for Donald Trump, the guy who started Operation Warp Speed.

01:33:44.040 He seems to be able to have this magic trick with people.

01:33:47.840 They don't care, frankly, what these positions are.

01:33:50.720 They want they they believe in him.

01:33:52.680 They believe he's the right guy for this time.

01:33:54.780 So I that's one of the big reasons why I just don't think his opinion or his the way he's thinking about vice president is something where he's like rolling this into.

01:34:05.040 Oh, well, I mean, it's a crucial choice.

01:34:07.020 It's going to make the difference. I think he believes he's the guy that's going to make the difference.

01:34:10.400 This is a secondary concern for him.

01:34:12.040 He doesn't want someone who's going to get in the way.

01:34:14.140 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:34:15.040 I think Doug Burgum's an interesting name to see on there.

01:34:17.280 Of course, it's like another evil white man, according to our earlier soundbite.

01:34:22.400 But he's a brilliant guy.

01:34:25.000 He's a billionaire like Trump.

01:34:28.060 And, you know, the economy remains one of the top issues for all voters on all sides.

01:34:32.740 So Trump could make a good argument about him if he wants to go identity politics.

01:34:37.300 He's got plenty of choices here.

01:34:38.920 I don't know.

01:34:39.500 I, I think Katie Britt was an option before State of the Union response.

01:34:45.260 I think she has selected herself off of the list as an old boss.

01:34:49.820 I heard she's auditioning for Streetcar Named Desire in a local community theater.

01:34:54.480 And so it's not available.

01:34:56.400 She'd be good at that.

01:34:57.520 No, she might.

01:34:59.080 I think she might be able to do that.

01:35:00.440 Stu, you were a big Doug Burgum guy, right?

01:35:03.080 I remember Stu on the radio.

01:35:05.700 Burgum mania.

01:35:06.280 Always saying like, only that you never talk about Burgum, right?

01:35:09.240 Is that what you said?

01:35:09.580 No, no.

01:35:10.120 I never talk.

01:35:11.600 Largely a joke.

01:35:12.640 I mean, I think he actually has a really good record as governor in some ways.

01:35:16.940 Like, you know, certainly economically.

01:35:18.560 I don't see him, though.

01:35:20.520 Like, you're right, Megan.

01:35:21.300 He matches up.

01:35:22.240 Trump respects other people who have made a lot of money.

01:35:25.420 And there's some reason.

01:35:26.400 I could see him as your secretary of interior or something.

01:35:29.420 He's got cabinet secretary written all over him.

01:35:32.520 Yes, he does.

01:35:33.580 Number one, he's not exactly an electric speaker.

01:35:36.760 Number two, the eyebrows.

01:35:38.060 I just don't think he would.

01:35:39.160 I don't think it's possible for Donald Trump to name someone with those eyebrows as vice president.

01:35:43.660 They're a lot.

01:35:44.940 I don't know what he's going to do.

01:35:46.720 He's making inroads with the black vote.

01:35:48.140 But I think that's because of policy.

01:35:49.480 I don't think Republicans or black voters are into the identity politics thing.

01:35:53.580 So I don't think a black VP is going to make them vote for Trump any more so.

01:35:57.680 I think he's going to pick somebody, as the Trump team, the inner circle told me, somebody

01:36:02.360 who he likes, somebody who he wants to be around, who that's going to be.

01:36:07.400 I don't know.

01:36:07.620 But I look forward to The Apprentice process.

01:36:09.640 Guys, you're the best.

01:36:10.580 Stu, Dave, thanks so much for being here.

01:36:12.760 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:36:14.660 Tomorrow, our pal Sage Steele returns.

01:36:17.600 For now, enjoy your solar eclipse if you're in the path of totality.

01:36:22.200 We'll see you tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 08, 2024

Caitlin Clark Haters, and Trump's VP Apprentice and Abortion Announcement, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 760

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