The Megyn Kelly Show - January 17, 2024


Can Trump Unify GOP Now, and Whether Georgia DA Fani Willis Lied About Alleged Lover, with Michael Knowles ｜ Ep. 704


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 35 minutes

Words per Minute

186.33554

Word Count

17,722

Sentence Count

1,308

Misogynist Sentences

60

Hate Speech Sentences

29


Summary

It's snowing in Nashville, Tennessee, and the Daily Wire's Michael Knowles joins me to talk about the benefits of a snow day. Plus, a new report on D.A. Fannie Willis and her alleged boyfriend.


Transcript

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:11.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:15.140 With every passing hour, the 2024 White House race is looking more and more inevitable.
00:00:21.160 The floodgates are opening as former President Donald Trump's endorsements pile up,
00:00:25.580 and Nikki Haley refuses to continue debating Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:00:29.100 There's also a growing list of folks urging the Florida governor to drop out of this race
00:00:34.520 so that it actually can be a two-person race between Haley and Trump.
00:00:39.160 Meantime, we've got some stunning new reporting out of Atlanta involving D.A. Fannie Willis and her alleged boyfriend.
00:00:44.340 We'll get to that. And later we're going to hear from you. I'm excited to take your calls.
00:00:50.600 First, joining me for the show today, Michael Knowles, host of The Michael Knowles Show on The Daily Wire.
00:00:56.400 Michael, welcome back. The team's telling me that you are snowed in in your house in Tennessee, in Nashville.
00:01:06.100 Right away, explain.
00:01:07.780 Megan, if any little toddlers start jumping onto my desk and pulling my hair and dancing around,
00:01:13.620 it is because I am at home.
00:01:15.380 Every time that Nashville gets a quarter of an inch of a dusting of snow, the city shuts down for at least a week
00:01:23.540 because we're not used to snow around here.
00:01:25.760 And so, sadly, the Daily Wire studios have been closed for days.
00:01:30.040 I think that my production team just wants to play hooky.
00:01:32.800 But in any case, I've got my hot cocoa.
00:01:35.200 I'm in my cozy little office.
00:01:36.540 And I'm so happy to invite you into my home.
00:01:40.020 Oh, you know, I was just having this discussion with Abigail Fine and my assistant yesterday
00:01:44.960 because here in Connecticut, she lives in Connecticut, too.
00:01:49.760 They closed the schools yesterday.
00:01:52.140 And I was delighted for my children who, you know, every night they pray for a snow day the next day.
00:01:57.200 But she and I, she's from Minnesota.
00:01:58.820 I'm from Syracuse originally.
00:02:00.100 Like, we're like, it's like an inch and a half.
00:02:04.280 Like, they would never close the schools in Syracuse or Minnesota for an inch and a half.
00:02:09.240 We've, we've gone soft.
00:02:11.940 We've gone soft as a country.
00:02:14.300 And I can't help but notice some perverse incentives here.
00:02:17.960 You know, my team at the Daily Wire that is unmarried or certainly the ones that don't have children,
00:02:24.380 they're all very eager to, to work from home for as long as possible.
00:02:27.880 Those of us with the toddlers, though, we recognize that working from home
00:02:31.740 is actually physically impossible when you have little kids.
00:02:36.280 So the barbarians will be at the gates as we chat for this entire show.
00:02:41.120 Well, I hope we get a sighting.
00:02:42.980 I'll tell you, yesterday was funny because my kids now are old enough that they're independent.
00:02:46.280 The snow day becomes a lot easier as you have children who can take care of themselves for the day.
00:02:51.420 So ours are 10, 12, and 14.
00:02:53.720 But Abby's are little.
00:02:55.480 They're five and seven.
00:02:56.440 So I said, bring them.
00:02:57.540 So they came and it was actually so sweet.
00:02:59.380 They went outside.
00:02:59.920 They had a big snowball fight with my kids.
00:03:02.080 Doug was in the middle of it.
00:03:03.580 I, I participated in that.
00:03:05.160 I watched it all from the window as I was getting ready for the show.
00:03:08.000 And honestly, Michael, that was enough for me.
00:03:09.700 I was good with that.
00:03:10.480 It's, I had no desire to be getting the snowball in the face.
00:03:14.080 Like the one really great thing about, about the snow day is I think it will extend my life
00:03:19.420 by several years.
00:03:20.620 It is the most exercise I've ever had, pulling my little sled around the Nashville snow in my
00:03:26.580 neighborhood.
00:03:27.400 So I guess the other thing that could go wrong in our conversation today is I might just completely
00:03:31.940 pass out.
00:03:32.920 But, but barring that, I'm happy to be here.
00:03:35.520 And it's so true that it is hard labor raising little kids between the cart at the beach in
00:03:41.960 the summer and the sleds and their bodies in the winter, going back up the hills, all
00:03:45.740 that.
00:03:46.020 Um, I was telling Doug that, you know, when I was little in Syracuse, I had it made because
00:03:50.880 right across the street, there was this house that had a, a great hill in their backyard.
00:03:55.840 So I just had to walk across our small little, you know, neighborhood street.
00:04:00.380 And there was the best sledding trail.
00:04:02.860 I used to go all the time.
00:04:04.700 I named it greased lightning because I was a child of the seventies and obsessed with John
00:04:10.600 Travolta.
00:04:11.100 And, uh, I still think of it to this day that we don't have such a sledding hill in
00:04:16.360 Connecticut.
00:04:17.040 Nevermind.
00:04:17.720 Did we in New York?
00:04:18.340 And by the way, half my team now lives in Canada.
00:04:20.880 Cause my two gals, um, my two, two of my favorite producers from Fox moved up there and I, I still
00:04:26.920 work with them anyway, Canada just issued some ordinance saying you can't sled.
00:04:33.280 Oh my God, I've got to get it correct.
00:04:35.160 My team will send it to me, but I tweeted it out the other day because it's too dangerous.
00:04:39.520 You can only sled on a certain slope now and you have to make sure that there's absolutely
00:04:44.640 no obstructions like, you know, a fence at the bottom or that's part of the fun, the
00:04:50.120 danger, the thought that you could crack your head open.
00:04:52.680 That's, that's, that's what makes it thrilling.
00:04:55.620 Canada won't let you sled anymore.
00:04:57.580 They just sentenced Jordan Peterson to a reeducation camp for tweeting in, in a politically incorrect
00:05:03.560 way.
00:05:03.960 I think that I hate to say, I told you so, but the prediction that I made on your show
00:05:10.060 just a couple of months ago, that Canada would fully become America's evil top hat does appear
00:05:15.520 to have taken place.
00:05:18.200 I love that.
00:05:19.800 I've said it many times.
00:05:21.080 It's so funny.
00:05:22.460 Um, here it is Toronto, not some small little County.
00:05:26.580 Toronto has banned tobogganing sledding at 45 Hills across the city due to safety concerns.
00:05:34.460 One counselor says he's not happy with the move because there are more important issues
00:05:37.360 that should be drawing the attention of city staff.
00:05:40.740 Um, it's absurd.
00:05:42.360 I mean, I, I remember back in the good old days on Greece lightning.
00:05:46.160 Uh, we'd also ski at our, at our elementary school, which was called Tecumseh and they had
00:05:50.440 a great sledding hill and you'd go out during recess and sled the good old times that I got
00:05:54.940 my first concussion because the boys would jump in the sled behind the one that the girls were in
00:05:59.340 and boom, it would go airborne and it landed on us.
00:06:02.120 But that was, it was fun.
00:06:03.580 We called that fun.
00:06:04.540 Michael Knowles.
00:06:05.780 Also, I've now concluded little children, little boys in particular are basically indestructible
00:06:11.660 because as I've been playing hooky from my own job the last few days and just kind of
00:06:15.780 wrestling with the boys and dragging him around the snow, my littlest one, he'll just run into
00:06:20.340 walls.
00:06:21.240 He'll fall off of things.
00:06:22.700 He'll feats that I didn't think the human body could tolerate and they can do it.
00:06:27.200 So, you know, if, if we're not going to let kids play around and do some kind of crazy,
00:06:31.860 dangerous things when they're little, how are we going to get men someday?
00:06:35.360 Well, I don't, I guess Canada probably won't.
00:06:37.260 Maybe that's, maybe that's what the Trudeau government is after.
00:06:40.120 No, you're right.
00:06:41.260 When our kids were little, they would constantly hit their heads and our pediatrician said,
00:06:46.420 he would always say, where did they hurt it?
00:06:47.840 We'd call him and say, Hey, this happened.
00:06:49.300 And nine times out of 10 is on the forehead.
00:06:51.580 And he would say, yep, you don't have to worry about the forehead.
00:06:54.200 The forehead's good.
00:06:54.960 Over all these years of evolution, the forehead has emerged, evolved to be the strongest bone
00:06:59.840 in the body.
00:07:00.860 And, you know, he was much more concerned if they'd hit it like on the low back of the
00:07:04.240 head or like the temple, then, then the front plate.
00:07:07.400 We're stopping evolution.
00:07:08.740 We're, we're not letting any strengthening of ourselves, our bodies, our minds occur at
00:07:14.740 all anymore.
00:07:16.560 That's what happens with the regression.
00:07:18.560 I always love the meme of, of evolution for however many millions of years.
00:07:23.280 And then, I don't know, sometime around 1987, I think it just started to reverse.
00:07:27.760 And now we're all just kind of hunched over pretty soon.
00:07:30.340 We're going to be quadrupedal and lose the ability even to communicate in a sensible way.
00:07:35.860 That's, that's the way it goes in a decadent culture, I guess.
00:07:39.040 There's a lot to get to today, but I do.
00:07:41.000 Can we spend a minute on Jordan Peterson?
00:07:42.900 What happened to him?
00:07:44.020 Most of the audience knows Jordan and he is Canadian.
00:07:47.440 You kind of forget that because you kind of see him from your home in America or you're
00:07:50.260 seeing him on the daily wire.
00:07:51.520 He's in Canada.
00:07:52.600 He's with our pal Gad Sat up there fighting the good fight and what they're doing to him
00:07:58.080 when it comes to his free speech and his allegedly offensive tweets is absolutely outrageous.
00:08:03.700 He, forgive me, I may not get this wrong.
00:08:06.960 He's, he's a PhD, right?
00:08:09.880 He's a psychologist, I think, and thus must require a license and it has to be, you know,
00:08:16.500 renewed and you have to make sure you're following the rules of the licensing body.
00:08:21.340 And they're mad if memory serves, I didn't refresh myself on his original offense, but
00:08:26.640 it wasn't one of them.
00:08:27.700 They were mad that he said something about how he did not find some obese model, beautiful.
00:08:33.440 Like it was his, his personal tastes about what's beautiful and what's not was on the
00:08:39.440 list of problematic statements.
00:08:40.900 He had made some of his pro his statements about the trans insanity.
00:08:45.260 And now he's being ordered into like a re-education camp up there.
00:08:50.600 You will be made to lust after obesity, Megan.
00:08:54.100 Okay.
00:08:54.460 Big brother has declared it and you will lose your career.
00:08:57.780 Even if you are the most famous and influential public intellectual in the world, you will
00:09:03.220 lose your occupational license if you do not do that.
00:09:07.520 And it sounds really silly.
00:09:09.020 It sounds really petty, but this kind of bureaucratic tyranny always hinges on the petty.
00:09:15.520 It always hinges on the apparently trivial because it's in apparently trivial matters that these
00:09:21.060 bureaucrats can really demonstrate how much power they have over you.
00:09:25.000 So it's terribly unjust what they're doing to Jordan.
00:09:29.240 I was with Jordan just a couple of nights ago.
00:09:31.460 And you know, the, the man has a very realistic outlook about how politics is working these
00:09:37.360 days.
00:09:37.740 And so in his tweet reacting to this decision, he said, you've won this battle, but this
00:09:43.100 war isn't over.
00:09:44.240 It's really only just begun.
00:09:46.300 Don't say I didn't warn you.
00:09:47.840 You have been warned.
00:09:48.960 And so selfishly as, as someone who loves observing the culture and in particular watching
00:09:55.800 Jordan Peterson interact in the culture, I'm thrilled that they made this decision because
00:10:02.020 I cannot even imagine the fuss that this man is going to make at the re-education camp.
00:10:09.840 Something tells me that Jordan Peterson is not going to go down quietly.
00:10:13.440 No, he's going to completely turn the entire camp against the counselors.
00:10:18.220 It's going to be super fun to watch, but it's crazy.
00:10:21.000 I mean, just a, it's a reminder, not that we don't have free speech erosions in the United
00:10:24.720 States of America.
00:10:25.460 We see them every day being pushed by the left in particular, but up in Canada, I mean,
00:10:29.840 the evil top hat neighbor, it could be a lot worse.
00:10:32.340 They're, they're actually forcing him to undergo this re-education camp.
00:10:36.280 He fought it to the highest level.
00:10:38.040 That appeal was just denied.
00:10:39.600 So now he's actually going to have to do it.
00:10:41.700 And I'm just going to guess they have a rule against hidden cameras in the re-education
00:10:44.980 camp because that, I mean, you'd have to join daily wire plus right now.
00:10:49.980 You should already join it anyway, but you have to right now in order to get the Jordan
00:10:53.260 hidden videos.
00:10:54.860 Okay.
00:10:55.400 Could you imagine?
00:10:56.080 Let's go back down to the less evil head underneath the top hat.
00:10:59.700 And that's us.
00:11:01.980 Presidential politics in full swing this week as Trump wins Iowa.
00:11:06.500 I mean, I was just thinking about it just as an aside, Trump won 98 of 99 counties.
00:11:12.240 The only County he lost, but was by one vote to Nikki Haley.
00:11:16.400 And the only support she had in Iowa, according to the polls was with the independents.
00:11:21.260 The Republicans were not voting for Nikki Haley.
00:11:23.340 So think about, we know that that was a feat.
00:11:25.980 And I talked about yesterday, it was a big comeback, but think about what that does say
00:11:28.860 about poor DeSantis.
00:11:30.140 I'm sorry, but like the guy seemed at times like he was running for president of Iowa.
00:11:35.440 He went to all 99 counties.
00:11:37.840 He had the best ground game.
00:11:39.580 The super PACs that spent tens of millions of dollars.
00:11:42.400 He didn't win one county, Michael, not one.
00:11:50.420 Everyone's going to be playing the blame game.
00:11:52.460 The DeSantis campaign is doing that a little bit now.
00:11:55.100 And the potential culprits are the media.
00:11:58.280 You heard Governor DeSantis say the other day that Donald Trump had a praetorian guard
00:12:03.120 of conservative media defending him.
00:12:05.920 I don't think that's accurate.
00:12:07.860 I think in the early days of the DeSantis campaign, I think the conservative media were overwhelmingly
00:12:12.760 in support of his candidacy.
00:12:15.100 I think Fox gave him a lot of boosts.
00:12:17.260 People over at the Blaze gave him a lot of boosts.
00:12:19.620 The majority of my colleagues outright, early and emphatically endorsed Governor DeSantis.
00:12:25.160 And a lot of other people in the conservative media did as well.
00:12:29.180 So perhaps some of that support leveled out over time.
00:12:33.400 I myself don't make endorsements as a general rule in primary campaigns.
00:12:37.760 I think I might be the last man in America who still really likes Donald Trump and really
00:12:42.140 likes Ron DeSantis.
00:12:43.740 But it just seems to me-
00:12:45.100 I feel that way.
00:12:45.240 Certainly, you know, look, there might be a fair number of people who think he did a
00:12:50.980 good job in Florida, he could have a great political career ahead of him, but Trump is
00:12:55.600 the guy now, that it's something of a fait accompli.
00:12:58.500 And so I don't think you can blame the media.
00:13:01.000 People are going to blame DeSantis and say he's a bad candidate.
00:13:03.300 I think he's a pretty good candidate.
00:13:04.820 Is he a little bit stiff?
00:13:06.360 Is he quite as fluent and conversational and funny as Trump?
00:13:09.980 No, he's not.
00:13:10.800 But I think he's actually a very good candidate.
00:13:13.160 I think he's a varsity politician.
00:13:14.620 People are going to blame the campaign.
00:13:16.520 The campaign made a bunch of mistakes.
00:13:18.500 But I don't even think it was a really bad campaign.
00:13:20.940 I think that the reason the DeSantis campaign is now, for all intents and purposes, over
00:13:26.220 is because of circumstance.
00:13:29.300 It's just the way that the stars aligned in this race.
00:13:33.580 The problem, as I suspected from the beginning of the DeSantis campaign, is that Governor DeSantis'
00:13:40.620 strengths were going to be his tragic flaw.
00:13:42.940 That the great strength of DeSantis, the whole campaign pitch, was he's Trump without the
00:13:47.560 baggage.
00:13:48.420 He's all the best parts of Trump without the bad parts of Trump.
00:13:51.280 So he can win over support from the Trump supporters, but he also won't totally offend
00:13:56.160 the establishment and the more clubbable kinds of Republicans.
00:13:59.740 And the fact is, that left him as a man without a home.
00:14:05.120 Because, yes, Trump supporters like DeSantis, but they like Trump more.
00:14:11.020 You know, they don't want new Coke.
00:14:12.240 They want Coke classic.
00:14:13.580 And so he wasn't able to win enough support from the Trump camp.
00:14:17.020 And the people who don't like Trump don't want anyone who even remotely resembles Trump.
00:14:21.840 So the campaign pitch of Trump 2.0, bigger, better, faster, stronger, was never going
00:14:27.060 to work for those people.
00:14:28.520 It was actually going to turn a lot of them off.
00:14:30.800 This is how you've seen Haley emerge as a very, very long shot opponent to Donald Trump,
00:14:36.660 but still probably the more credible opponent to Trump right now.
00:14:40.680 Is the GOP wants a choice, not an echo?
00:14:43.480 Trump is being treated effectively as an incumbent in this race.
00:14:46.300 I think fairly so.
00:14:48.240 This is a once in a century political situation where a president is running for a non-consecutive
00:14:53.280 second term, still has a lot of support.
00:14:56.000 The only path in the race is to be anti-Trump.
00:15:01.080 And so DeSantis' identity contradicted the only path that was available to him.
00:15:06.240 And that's how you've seen Haley emerge as a long shot, but potential unseater of Trump.
00:15:13.120 All that is very interesting.
00:15:14.720 I want to get into all of that.
00:15:15.800 I do want to say, for the record, agree on the Coke thing.
00:15:19.060 However, Coke Zero is better than Diet Coke.
00:15:21.920 Just for the record, it is.
00:15:23.660 It is.
00:15:24.060 It's better.
00:15:24.960 Who knew?
00:15:25.280 It is.
00:15:25.860 It's much better.
00:15:26.640 You know, they force it on you when you go over to Europe, and then you come back here
00:15:28.860 and say, you know what?
00:15:29.520 They're onto something.
00:15:31.080 On the notion, because a lot of people are debating this right now, should he have gone
00:15:34.900 after Donald Trump more?
00:15:36.600 My friends over at Commentary Magazine, all along, they'd been saying, why isn't he attacking
00:15:41.220 Trump?
00:15:41.680 They're not big Trump fans.
00:15:43.280 Why isn't he attacking Trump?
00:15:44.600 Well, and that really was an impossible challenge for him because today, my same friends at
00:15:52.740 Commentary had on Nate Silver, not Nate Silver, Steve Kornacki, you know, the big polls guy
00:15:58.420 for NBC News.
00:15:59.900 And he's entertaining and he's, you know, I like watching him on the big election nights
00:16:03.960 because he seems like a straight shooter, Kornacki.
00:16:06.160 And he was making the point that any of these Republicans who really went after Trump, I mean,
00:16:13.000 you know, the names, fell precipitously and were loathed by the Republican Party.
00:16:18.300 Chris Christie, Asa Hutchinson.
00:16:20.420 He mentioned another one who's not coming to mind.
00:16:23.500 And then he talked about what happened to Nikki Haley in Iowa when she started to emerge
00:16:30.840 as in the minds of Iowans, an anti-Trump Republican.
00:16:35.940 You know, her message started to get a little bit sharper.
00:16:38.180 And I think it was more as a result of like his surrogates, you know, Vivek really hammering
00:16:42.980 her, sort of putting her on the wrong side of MAGA, that kind of thing.
00:16:47.740 He said her, I wrote it down, her negatives went up 15 points and her positives with Trump
00:16:57.700 voters went down 11 points.
00:17:00.560 So the more she was seen as opposite Trump, the worse she did in Iowa.
00:17:07.620 Well, but MK, she finished third in Iowa and did better than many suspected she might.
00:17:12.980 Well, she was doing well with the independents there.
00:17:16.260 That's the group she and the group she really did well with were the people who were independent.
00:17:20.700 They were voting Republican in this in this primary and they didn't like Trump.
00:17:25.880 The never Trumpers liked Haley.
00:17:29.060 The people who are voting for Ron DeSantis do like Trump and they do like DeSantis.
00:17:34.200 But to your point, they like Trump more.
00:17:37.520 Yes.
00:17:38.060 And so Haley, who from the beginning, people wrote her off.
00:17:41.640 I said, don't write her off.
00:17:42.660 She's a very shrewd and successful politician.
00:17:45.640 She managed to be a centrist governor of South Carolina, then to ally herself with Trump and
00:17:52.140 be Trump's ambassador to the United Nations and very popular in that role.
00:17:56.020 And then she left the Trump administration basically with a ticker tape parade.
00:17:59.700 Trump said lovely things about her.
00:18:01.380 And then she turned on Trump.
00:18:02.720 And then she said she wouldn't run if Trump were to run again.
00:18:06.140 And then she did run if Trump were to run again.
00:18:07.920 But through all of that, she's managed to make it down to the final three candidates.
00:18:12.520 And since there is now no path whatsoever to victory for the DeSantis campaign, one might
00:18:17.360 even say she's down to the final two.
00:18:19.720 So she's run a very good race to become the number two person.
00:18:25.100 I still don't really see a path to victory for her, even if a lightning bolt comes out of
00:18:30.140 the sky or out of some Democrat against Donald Trump, because as you say, Megan, she was popular
00:18:35.860 among independents and Democrats in Iowa, not really among Republicans.
00:18:39.440 Then when she goes to New Hampshire, where the polls show that she is surging, New Hampshire
00:18:44.580 Republican politics is a little bit different from national Republican politics.
00:18:49.620 Very different.
00:18:49.960 Maybe she does well there.
00:18:51.300 We'll see.
00:18:52.180 She's not even effectively on the ballot in Nevada because the GOP in Nevada is opting for
00:18:58.000 a caucus system, which they used to have there before the state legislators changed it in
00:19:01.900 2021.
00:19:02.800 The rule is if you're on the primary ballot, which was pushed by the Nevada government, then
00:19:06.960 you can't appear in the caucus.
00:19:08.060 All of the other GOP candidates opted for the caucus.
00:19:11.520 So Nevada is not even in play.
00:19:13.760 In South Carolina, Trump is leading by, what, 30 points or something like that?
00:19:18.220 And then in Michigan, Trump is way, way ahead.
00:19:22.000 That's all before Super Tuesday.
00:19:23.680 So it's just impossible to see how this works for anyone.
00:19:26.920 Probably Nikki Haley's game is to try to make a credible showing in New Hampshire, kick
00:19:34.180 DeSantis out of the race, assuming that DeSantis has to get out before Florida.
00:19:38.060 So he doesn't suffer a humiliating defeat in his own state, and then try to gobble up enough
00:19:43.800 delegates that she can have a little bit of leverage at the convention, probably can't
00:19:48.160 pull a George H.W. Bush in 1980, probably doesn't have enough support to say, let's unify
00:19:54.460 the party and I'll be the VP.
00:19:56.020 But she might be able to ask for something in the administration.
00:19:58.580 But other than that, this whole primary seems to be an exercise in futility, as many of
00:20:06.060 us suspected it was from the very beginning.
00:20:07.900 Another thing Kornacki said was that 77 percent of her supporters in Iowa have negative views
00:20:15.680 of Donald Trump, 70.
00:20:17.160 So the vast majority of her supporters, people who voted for her in Iowa, do not like Trump.
00:20:22.020 But he pointed out that nationwide Republicans, about 80 percent have positive views of Donald
00:20:29.360 Trump.
00:20:29.940 So you're right about the distinction in New Hampshire.
00:20:32.800 It's all well and good to be able to notch a win if she's able to.
00:20:36.260 That's a big if.
00:20:38.100 But it's not representative of what's coming her way.
00:20:41.460 She has to win among Republicans, real Republicans, in order to become the Republican nominee.
00:20:48.680 And the party, she's not going to find 77 percent who don't like Donald Trump or enough to win,
00:20:55.560 who don't like Donald Trump to put her over the edge going forward.
00:20:59.580 So I don't I think it is not correct to say the answer is to just criticize Donald Trump
00:21:03.640 more, though she's starting to.
00:21:06.640 She's starting to anyway.
00:21:08.020 You know, you're hearing her message get a little sharper and his is getting sharper toward
00:21:11.100 her.
00:21:11.440 And it's, you know, it's interesting to me, Michael, because she's kind of trying to paint
00:21:14.560 him as like Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
00:21:15.960 It's the ticket nobody wants.
00:21:17.280 I'll help you avoid this calamity.
00:21:19.000 There's some truth to that.
00:21:20.460 A lot of people don't want it, but it's probably happening.
00:21:23.320 Then Trump fights back by posting things like this.
00:21:26.620 I don't know if you saw on his Truth Social, he posted a picture of Nikki and Hillary merged.
00:21:31.020 It's Hillary Clinton, I think.
00:21:32.900 I forgive me, but it's got like an enormous double chin.
00:21:35.420 I think I don't know if that's actually Hillary Clinton's chin and Nikki Haley's face.
00:21:40.620 It's very unattractive.
00:21:42.340 Do we have it?
00:21:42.780 Can we put it up?
00:21:45.100 And people are like, Trump has a meltdown.
00:21:48.040 Oh, there it is.
00:21:48.760 See?
00:21:49.800 Oh, oh, God.
00:21:51.340 And it says Haley at the bottom, but it looks like Hillary's hair and Hillary's red pants
00:21:56.740 suit.
00:21:57.560 Anywho, it's not his meltdown.
00:22:01.440 It's politics.
00:22:02.880 And yeah, it's getting ugly.
00:22:04.020 Thoughts on it?
00:22:04.980 I keep seeing these headlines.
00:22:07.180 I saw it in Drudge today.
00:22:09.440 Trump's meltdown over Haley.
00:22:12.400 Would Matt Drudge have described Trump's criticisms of Vivek just two days ago as a meltdown over
00:22:20.340 Vivek?
00:22:20.900 He went after Vivek in the lead up to the Iowa caucuses.
00:22:23.540 Now they're chummy chummy, and they're going to be rallying all around the country.
00:22:27.440 Would he have said the same thing about Ron DeSantis 16 months ago?
00:22:30.960 Trump was regularly attacking Ron DeSantis and going after him, but it wasn't a meltdown.
00:22:36.780 It's Donald Trump just training his fire on where he sees the threat.
00:22:40.880 Yet the threat was Ron DeSantis in the early days of the primary, such as it is, and he
00:22:46.660 neutralized the threat.
00:22:47.940 Then there was a minor threat from Vivek, who had been actually quite complimentary of Donald
00:22:52.900 Trump and today is once again complimentary of Trump.
00:22:56.420 But he saw a little bit of a threat there, and Trump, rather, is a sledgehammer.
00:23:01.840 So he's not going to have a lot of subtlety.
00:23:04.240 He's going to go after Vivek and say he's fake and he's not MAGA and whatever.
00:23:07.980 Then Vivek is out of the race.
00:23:09.200 And now it's just logical to train his attention on Haley.
00:23:13.300 But even the way that he's doing it, I mean, you show me that picture that now I can't get
00:23:17.160 out of my head.
00:23:18.300 He's laughing.
00:23:19.460 He's joking.
00:23:20.240 And he's earned the right to laugh because his poll numbers are just so high.
00:23:27.180 Iowa showed us that the polls seem pretty reliable.
00:23:30.620 And so he's really got nothing to worry about outside of the prosecutors or I don't know
00:23:36.000 that the assassins that the Democrats might send to get him, because if if he's allowed
00:23:40.480 to appear on the ballot and people are allowed to vote for him, they're going to.
00:23:44.140 He does need to fear those criminal prosecutions, the federal ones in particular.
00:23:48.580 And honestly, the Georgia one, if it's if it stays alive, we'll get to the news there in
00:23:53.600 a little bit.
00:23:54.760 You mentioned Vivek.
00:23:56.280 He did officially endorse Trump and made his first appearance on the campaign trail with
00:24:02.640 Trump in Atkinson, New Hampshire last night.
00:24:05.820 Here's a little bit of how that looked in sup, too.
00:24:07.840 We have challenges to address in our own party right here at home.
00:24:13.980 So, you know what, if you want somebody who's going to foist onto you to use your social media
00:24:19.000 account, you want to use a driver's license to do it, to have the right to use the Internet.
00:24:24.300 This man's not your man.
00:24:25.360 There's another candidate in this race who'll do that for you.
00:24:27.600 It's Nikki Haley.
00:24:32.160 You want to send you want to cut Social Security.
00:24:34.800 You want to cut Medicare.
00:24:35.800 You want to cut veterans' benefits so we can fork over more money to Ukraine so some
00:24:40.180 kleptocrat can buy a bigger house.
00:24:42.320 Vote for Nikki Haley, not this man right here.
00:24:44.640 Not another one.
00:24:45.560 There's not a better choice left in this race than this man right here.
00:24:48.820 And that is why I am asking you to do the right thing as New Hampshire and to vote for
00:24:54.080 Donald J. Trump as your next president.
00:24:56.300 Thank you.
00:24:57.300 Thank you.
00:24:58.300 Thank you.
00:24:58.800 Thank you.
00:24:59.800 Thank you.
00:25:00.800 Thank you.
00:25:01.800 Thank you.
00:25:02.800 Thank you.
00:25:03.800 Thank you.
00:25:04.800 Thank you.
00:25:05.800 So you could hear some chants of VP in the audience.
00:25:11.180 I mean, look, I'm not a political prognosticator in this way.
00:25:15.180 I don't run campaigns.
00:25:16.640 I don't keep fingers on the tabs of how people are doing with with this focus group or that.
00:25:21.360 But I don't think there's any chance of him choosing Vivek Ramaswamy as his VP.
00:25:26.800 What do you think?
00:25:27.600 It seems unlikely because Vivek was a relative unknown.
00:25:32.980 I mean, that's what's so amazing about this race.
00:25:35.040 Nobody had known Vivek.
00:25:36.980 I actually go back to college with Vivek.
00:25:39.360 He was at the law school while I was an undergraduate.
00:25:41.360 So I've known that this guy is really sharp and talented for a long time.
00:25:44.360 But the broader public had never heard of him until, what, a year ago at most.
00:25:48.360 And he went from zero name recognition to polling at something like 8% in the GOP primary and doing pretty well.
00:25:56.740 I mean, that's very impressive.
00:25:57.740 He outlasted senators and governors.
00:26:01.120 That's amazing.
00:26:02.120 But I don't I don't really see Trump picking another Trump like figure.
00:26:09.120 You know, Vivek is a very wealthy guy.
00:26:12.620 He leans a little bit populist.
00:26:14.840 He comes from business.
00:26:16.300 He's not a career politician.
00:26:17.620 So Trump already has that.
00:26:19.580 Trump already does that.
00:26:21.300 And he'll probably balance out the ticket with someone who compliments him.
00:26:25.460 That's what Mike Pence's role as the running mate was in 2016.
00:26:29.000 It's probably not going to be Mike Pence this time, I would imagine.
00:26:31.640 But but I could see someone there more to compliment him.
00:26:34.680 Now, would Vivek have a role in an administration?
00:26:37.700 I could easily see that sort of thing happening.
00:26:39.960 Yeah, maybe.
00:26:40.960 But, you know, I can't help but notice in those comments from Vivek that Trump is a weirdly
00:26:47.740 unifying figure for the Republican Party because Trump attracts the libertarians.
00:26:54.220 He attracts the people that that whole campaign pitch was Nikki Haley wants to spy on your
00:26:58.200 computer and see what websites you're going to.
00:27:00.400 He attracts your real name, register under your real name, de-mask you.
00:27:05.400 But but then he also attracts the traditionalists and the conservatives who are a little bit more
00:27:10.660 willing to wield state power.
00:27:13.400 He attracts the people over at Compact magazine and the American Post liberal.
00:27:17.900 And he says that we need to focus on strengthening our communities more and we need to use the
00:27:23.180 government to do some good.
00:27:25.080 So he actually, maybe for the first time since Reagan, seems to bring together what was once
00:27:31.280 called the three legged stool of conservatism, the traditionalists, the libertarians and
00:27:36.220 even the foreign policy hawks.
00:27:38.080 Right now, everyone's painting Haley as a neocon.
00:27:40.360 She seems much more inclined toward foreign intervention than Trump is.
00:27:45.600 But don't forget, Trump is also the guy who brought peace to the Middle East through the
00:27:48.900 Abraham Accords.
00:27:49.900 Trump is the guy who took out Iran's top general, you know, Trump is the guy who obliterated
00:27:53.880 ISIS in Syria.
00:27:55.640 So he was willing to use American military force, I think in a much more judicious way than
00:28:00.480 some of his predecessors.
00:28:01.960 But for all that we hear that Trump has destroyed and split up the Republican Party.
00:28:06.600 From my vantage, it looks like he's unified those three legs better than anyone since
00:28:10.600 Reagan.
00:28:11.600 If Trump could control his temperament, the party would be behind him 98 percent.
00:28:19.660 You're exactly right.
00:28:21.160 He he's done the way he governed should have been to the appeal of virtually every single
00:28:27.240 Republican and then some, you know, outside the party as well.
00:28:31.260 It's his temperament that people find objectionable, you know, and the temperament.
00:28:36.540 I'm using that word in a sweeping way.
00:28:38.560 You know, it's the guy who doesn't comply with the subpoena when he gets hit with, you
00:28:41.840 know, like his fighting nature benefits him and undermines him.
00:28:46.600 And some people are and they don't want the drama, you know, like I want to go about my
00:28:50.180 life, not me because I'm a newswoman, but most people want to go about their lives thinking
00:28:53.980 about themselves and their kids and their community and not about Donald Trump.
00:28:59.380 But when he's president, when he's in the national spotlight, he sucks up all the oxygen.
00:29:04.780 It's all you can talk about.
00:29:06.780 I could think about all anybody else is talking about.
00:29:08.780 You turn on the evening news.
00:29:09.780 There he is.
00:29:10.780 You turn on the morning news.
00:29:11.780 There he is.
00:29:12.780 You pick up the morning paper.
00:29:13.780 He's there again.
00:29:14.780 The entertainment shows.
00:29:15.780 He's there.
00:29:16.780 The nightly award shows.
00:29:17.780 He's there.
00:29:18.780 He's everywhere.
00:29:19.780 And people get exhausted, right?
00:29:20.780 Exhausted.
00:29:21.780 My friend, Alan Estrin, who's the executive director of Prager U, he made this point to
00:29:25.780 me months ago.
00:29:26.780 We were all talking about how it's not really about Donald Trump.
00:29:29.780 It's about the party or it's about the country or it's about this policy or it's this movement.
00:29:32.780 And he said, you know, Michael, I think it really just is about Donald Trump.
00:29:37.780 You know, great men move history sometimes.
00:29:41.780 And Donald Trump is a world historic figure, whether you love him or hate him.
00:29:45.780 And it is about him.
00:29:47.780 People are just fascinated by this guy.
00:29:50.780 He operates differently.
00:29:51.780 He's an American original.
00:29:53.780 It makes us pull our hair out sometimes.
00:29:55.780 It makes us cheer sometimes.
00:29:57.780 But we can't look away from him.
00:29:59.780 And Alan's point as a screenwriter in Hollywood is that because of that, because his role in
00:30:06.780 the narrative is that of the protagonist, that the party is just going to be focused around
00:30:12.780 him as long as he is around.
00:30:14.780 And these were back in the days when we thought maybe it'll be DeSantis, maybe it'll be this
00:30:18.780 guy, maybe.
00:30:19.780 But no, actually, that observation has proven to be true.
00:30:24.780 And if Donald Trump has dominated headlines and tabloids and captured people's attention
00:30:29.780 for 40 years or more now, that's not going to change anytime soon, no matter how much the
00:30:35.780 policy wonks in the GOP might wish it were so.
00:30:38.780 Well, I mean, I have said for a long, long time, I remember, oh, gosh, I don't remember
00:30:43.780 what year it was, but I was at Guy Benson's wedding and I was talking to Hugh Hewitt, who
00:30:48.780 was there.
00:30:49.780 We were talking about Trump.
00:30:50.780 This is many years ago.
00:30:51.780 And I said that, you know, and this is this point has been made by others, too.
00:30:54.780 But just that that's the thing about Trump.
00:30:55.780 You know, it's like you have to take the good with the bad, the temperament and the lashing
00:30:59.780 out and like sort of the erratic behavior.
00:31:02.780 It's it's all part of the same package that comes with a guy who stood by Brett Kavanaugh,
00:31:06.780 who didn't fold when the knives were out for that guy like we've never seen before and
00:31:11.780 who didn't fold in the face of four criminal indictments, but stood up and fought and actually
00:31:16.780 flies to unnecessarily the defamation damages trial with Eugene Carroll, the woman who accused
00:31:23.780 him of sexual assault and like he didn't have to be there.
00:31:25.780 He flew to there to draw attention to it.
00:31:29.780 It's just it's a complicated package, but it works.
00:31:32.780 It's worked on television as an entertainer.
00:31:34.780 It's worked in the White House as a politician, not to the taste of everyone.
00:31:37.780 Get it.
00:31:38.780 But here's the interesting thing about Trump along those same lines.
00:31:41.780 On Monday night when he won Iowa, he gets out there and struck a more conciliatory tone,
00:31:47.780 right?
00:31:48.780 Like called DeSantis Ron.
00:31:50.780 It was real progress.
00:31:52.780 Called Haley.
00:31:53.780 Yes.
00:31:54.780 Complimented them.
00:31:55.780 He made really nice comments about Melania and the loss of her mom.
00:32:00.780 And, you know, he sounded like a sweet guy, which is a gear that he has.
00:32:04.780 And now here we are today.
00:32:06.780 We're not only is he tweeting out the Hillary combined with Nikki face, but he's referring
00:32:13.780 to her as Nimrata like her.
00:32:16.780 The name on her birthday birth certificate.
00:32:18.780 Her name on her birth certificate is Nimrata Nikki, whatever the maiden name was.
00:32:23.780 And why is he referencing her given birth name in a tweet about her today?
00:32:31.780 Right?
00:32:32.780 You can just hear the MSNBC is like dog whistle.
00:32:37.780 Dog.
00:32:38.780 It's, this is Trump.
00:32:39.780 Megan.
00:32:40.780 Do you remember the scene in the Godfather where Michael gets beat up by that cop and
00:32:47.780 he's talking to Tom Hagen and he's talking to Sonny and he says, I'm going to go, I want
00:32:51.780 to meet up with him and I'm going to bring a gun and I'm going to assassinate this cop.
00:32:56.780 And, and Sonny says, what you're an Ivy league guy, you're a military guy.
00:33:00.780 And when you get one punch and you want to go blow his brains out all over your Ivy league
00:33:04.780 suit, come on, don't take it so personal, Michael.
00:33:07.780 And what does Michael Corleone say to his brother?
00:33:09.780 He says, this is not personal, Sonny.
00:33:11.780 It's strictly business.
00:33:13.780 That is what Donald Trump does.
00:33:16.780 That is how the man operates.
00:33:18.780 His critics insist that he's a thin skinned narcissist who takes everything very personally.
00:33:25.780 I don't think that's true at all.
00:33:27.780 He ran a bruising primary against Ted Cruz.
00:33:30.780 He accused Ted Cruz's father of killing Kennedy.
00:33:33.780 He, he called him lion Ted, L Y I an apostrophe was really, really nasty primary.
00:33:38.780 And then the primary is over.
00:33:39.780 And what does Trump do?
00:33:40.780 He says, oh, he's beautiful, Ted.
00:33:42.780 I like him now.
00:33:43.780 He's good.
00:33:44.780 He's running against Ron to sanctimonious.
00:33:45.780 Then he says, oh no, Ron, he did a good job.
00:33:48.780 Nikki did a good job.
00:33:49.780 And then Nikki seems to be a threat again.
00:33:51.780 So he goes after Nikki.
00:33:52.780 It's business.
00:33:53.780 This is just how the man operates.
00:33:56.780 And so he'll turn on a dime.
00:33:57.780 If Nikki drops out of the race tomorrow, you won't hear any more Nimrodda and you won't
00:34:01.780 see any more Hillary memes.
00:34:03.780 He'll, he'll just move on.
00:34:05.780 He's oddly focused and disciplined, at least when it comes to vanquishing his enemies and
00:34:12.780 then moving on from them to new enemies.
00:34:15.780 Mm hmm.
00:34:16.780 And it all, there's another piece of it too, which is a little different, which is his
00:34:21.780 entire opinion of you revolves around how you see him.
00:34:25.780 If he thinks you like him, he likes you.
00:34:29.780 If he thinks you've got problems with him, he does not like you.
00:34:32.780 You can see it in these town halls with people.
00:34:35.780 You know, they stand and say, Mr. Trump, like the Fox news town hall the other night.
00:34:38.780 And somebody said, okay, you know, who are you planning on voting for in the Iowa caucuses?
00:34:42.780 You, sir.
00:34:43.780 I liked you.
00:34:44.780 I knew I liked you.
00:34:45.780 The smile comes.
00:34:46.780 It's genuine.
00:34:47.780 They have a warm exchange.
00:34:48.780 Trump turns on the charm.
00:34:50.780 Somebody's like, I'm a DeSantis voter.
00:34:52.780 Like you can see the wall go up.
00:34:54.780 He's not one of those, like, I'll win you over.
00:34:56.780 He's more like, all right.
00:34:58.780 Right.
00:34:59.780 He's, he's that guy.
00:35:00.780 And I'll tell you a funny story.
00:35:01.780 When I interviewed him in September, the first thing he says to me when I go in there, he
00:35:07.780 wanted to talk once again about that debate question.
00:35:09.780 But then he's like, I hear you pro Trump.
00:35:11.780 Now you're all pro Trump.
00:35:12.780 Like, okay, I, I, I'm, I try to be fair, Mr. President.
00:35:16.780 Um, and then I sit down to interview him and I ask him some nice questions and I ask him
00:35:21.780 some tougher questions and we get to the part about the indictments and then it's getting
00:35:24.780 a little prickly because those are some tough questions I have to ask.
00:35:28.780 And you could almost see the look on his face, Michael, of like, she is not pro Trump.
00:35:33.780 She is not all pro Trump.
00:35:35.780 Like what's happening?
00:35:36.780 How did I, what, why did I sit down across from this person who is not?
00:35:41.780 And then, you know, it landed and it was fine, but that's how, that's the only lens
00:35:46.780 he has pro me or not pro me.
00:35:49.780 And I mean, that's why people like me, journalists fall within his crosshairs and then get out of
00:35:53.780 him and so on and so forth.
00:35:54.780 But like, it's how he sees the world.
00:35:57.780 Donald Trump is not the first statesman or political philosopher to suggest that the
00:36:02.780 fundamental question of politics is whether you're a friend or whether you're an enemy.
00:36:08.780 In our extremely ideological age, we sometimes forget this.
00:36:12.780 And when we hear from political commentators and elected politicians who spent their summers
00:36:18.780 going to study camp at a think tank in Washington, D.C. or pouring over the pages of some wonkish
00:36:25.780 policy from some economic institute, we forget that basic bare bones politics is the art of
00:36:32.780 inclusion.
00:36:33.780 It's bringing people together in a, in a democracy.
00:36:35.780 It's getting 50% plus one to support you.
00:36:39.780 It's, it's about, it's about friends and it's about enemies that that's how Trump views it.
00:36:44.780 And, and so I don't mean to diminish his policy wins, whether they come from personal insights
00:36:49.780 or whether they come from just having good policy advisors.
00:36:52.780 He's, he's been better on policy than any Republican president in my lifetime without question.
00:36:58.780 But he gets something that I think a, a guy who had a career in New York real estate is
00:37:05.780 going to get better than some career politician, which is that if you're going to win elected
00:37:10.780 office, if you're going to, if you're going to actually go to Washington and make laws rather
00:37:14.780 than just go home, you got to win friends and influence people.
00:37:17.780 That has been a consistent theme in his political career.
00:37:21.780 And people will attack it as being shallow or self-serving or corrupt even.
00:37:28.780 But that has been the way democratic politics has operated from the very beginning.
00:37:34.780 And if, if the other candidates had taken note of that, perhaps they would have fared better
00:37:40.780 against him.
00:37:41.780 It, you know, it's a good criticism of democracy, but you don't want to hate the player.
00:37:46.780 You got to hate the game.
00:37:48.780 Hmm.
00:37:49.780 I'll tell you a nice story about Vivek Ramaswamy too, who I, I know, you know, on a personal
00:37:53.780 level before he ran for president, didn't go to school with him, but I helped him with
00:37:57.780 his books and so on.
00:37:58.780 But, um, he ran and I like the vague and I'm, I think I'm the main reason that David
00:38:05.780 Sachs wound up in his corner because I made them make up on my show debate and help them
00:38:09.780 make up.
00:38:10.780 In any event, then he said this stuff about nine 11 and I hit him hard.
00:38:13.780 It was, I thought that was absurd.
00:38:15.780 I didn't like the conspiratorial stuff.
00:38:17.780 And, uh, let's just say we've had a couple of private text exchanges about it, which have
00:38:21.780 been fine.
00:38:22.780 They've, you know, he's not mad and I don't back down in my positions either, but then
00:38:28.780 I'll tell you, I invited him on the show after the presidential debate that I hosted.
00:38:32.780 And he said, yes, right away.
00:38:34.780 He came on the set and my hairstylist, who's my friend too.
00:38:38.780 And you know, the hair and makeup, those are the best people to ask the opinions of because
00:38:43.780 they see so many people.
00:38:45.780 They have a much wider sampling of humanity than you or I probably do.
00:38:50.780 And she, not only did he come on, he was very gracious to me and, and, you know, gave me
00:38:55.780 the interview every single, like everyone who touched him, the, you know, the a two,
00:39:01.780 the guy who put the mic on him, the guy who made sure he could hear with the earphones,
00:39:05.780 the cameraman that my hair and makeup team, which had to, you know, make sure he was camera
00:39:09.780 ready, like gracious, kind, try to earn or learn people's names.
00:39:14.780 I mean, he was there for a total of eight minutes.
00:39:17.780 Um, so it's like, even if you hit them, even if they recognize you might not be totally
00:39:22.780 in their camp, I think the great ones can get past it, can give you an interview, can
00:39:27.780 be polite and understand like the nature of journalism, how it works, how it can't be too
00:39:32.780 friendly other or, or it stinks and the interviews get no pickup.
00:39:37.780 And you know, once you recognize somebody is in the tank for somebody, well, how much
00:39:41.780 do you trust them?
00:39:42.780 If you want that as your, as your news product, then just go get, go get, go to that.
00:39:47.780 If you want that for Trump, go listen to Steve Bannon every day.
00:39:49.780 You're good.
00:39:50.780 That's, that's fine.
00:39:51.780 You want that for Vivek?
00:39:52.780 Go listen to Tim pool every day.
00:39:53.780 There's nothing wrong with what those guys do.
00:39:54.780 It's just a different product, right?
00:39:56.780 Anyway, I have respect for all these guys.
00:39:58.780 I don't have respect for the other side.
00:40:00.780 Joe Biden would never sit for an interview with me.
00:40:03.780 Same as Hillary Clinton.
00:40:04.780 As she was out there saying I was a terrific journalist because I had this contentious
00:40:08.780 exchange with Trump.
00:40:09.780 Never once sat with me, never agreed.
00:40:11.780 Even when the left was loving me because she quite literally did not have the balls,
00:40:16.780 neither physically nor theoretically, nor in no way.
00:40:22.780 So anyway, there's my little rant about our weak politicians and our strong ones.
00:40:27.780 But, but also think about Megan, your role here and this kind of funny exchange.
00:40:32.780 I heard you were pro-Trump.
00:40:33.780 Are you an anti-Trump now?
00:40:34.780 Which side are you on?
00:40:35.780 You say, well, I'm a complex person that has lots of different views and I'm my own identity.
00:40:40.780 And I, you know, I don't just exist to serve a politician or another.
00:40:44.780 But your interview with President Trump helped him more than many other interviews he's done
00:40:51.780 in as much as people listened to it.
00:40:54.780 People heard his views, how his views have changed since 2020 or 2016.
00:41:00.780 They saw him grappling with some tough questions.
00:41:02.780 They see that the guy still has some muscles on him.
00:41:04.780 He can still engage with tough questions.
00:41:06.780 You know, it's a yes man is not a true friend to anybody.
00:41:12.780 And it certainly doesn't make for interesting TV.
00:41:14.780 It's so true.
00:41:15.780 And honestly, I got to take a break, but I want to say this other thing.
00:41:18.780 So Ron DeSantis eventually got to the point where he engaged with adversarial media.
00:41:22.780 I mean, really adversarial like MSNBC.
00:41:25.780 But his first foray into media other than the ones who loved him included a sit down with
00:41:32.780 yours truly, which I appreciate it.
00:41:33.780 He was extremely gracious and so was his wife.
00:41:35.780 But I do think that was one of his mistakes as we do sort of the postmortem.
00:41:39.780 I realize it's a little too soon.
00:41:40.780 He's still in the race.
00:41:41.780 But as we do that, Ron DeSantis, I really do think that was a big mistake.
00:41:46.780 He should have put himself out there.
00:41:48.780 It was a mistake to only go to sycophants for the first three, four months of his campaign
00:41:54.780 or the time leading up to the launch of the campaign.
00:41:57.780 He can do it.
00:41:59.780 He can debate.
00:42:01.780 He's smart.
00:42:03.780 He can defend himself and his positions very well.
00:42:05.780 Why would he choose to hide behind the banner of the protective conservative media sphere?
00:42:11.780 That made no sense to me.
00:42:14.780 I think he's finally come around to that because, as I say, I see him on Morning Joe now.
00:42:18.780 But too late.
00:42:19.780 Too late.
00:42:20.780 All right.
00:42:21.780 Michael knows.
00:42:22.780 Quick, quick break.
00:42:23.780 Michael's with us for the show.
00:42:24.780 Don't go anywhere.
00:42:29.780 Michael, my team was reminding me during the break that not only were those things happening
00:42:34.780 with Vivek that I just mentioned, but like Canadian Debbie, Debbie Murphy, one of my EPs
00:42:39.780 was saying he saw her on the stage when he was coming up and he used her name.
00:42:46.780 Like he remembered, he was like, Debbie, I'm so sorry I was lost.
00:42:49.780 And then he came by himself.
00:42:50.780 He didn't have a team of people surrounding him.
00:42:53.780 You know, he didn't need an entourage.
00:42:55.780 Like all that stuff is to the guy's credit.
00:42:57.780 I really do hope that he's got a long future in politics and I don't want to hear any more
00:43:02.780 about 9-11.
00:43:03.780 Okay.
00:43:04.780 Here is the reaction from the sitting president of the United States to the drama happening
00:43:11.780 over on the GOP side.
00:43:13.780 Take a look and to listen at the commander in chief.
00:43:18.780 You know, it's kind of funny.
00:43:20.780 All these Republican candidates in the primary are trying to beat Donald Trump.
00:43:24.780 I'm still the only person to ever beat Donald Trump.
00:43:26.780 And I'm looking forward to it again for the good of this country.
00:43:31.780 Okay.
00:43:32.780 So I got a couple of questions for you.
00:43:34.780 First of all, why is he sitting at the kiddie table?
00:43:37.780 He looks like he's down here.
00:43:39.780 He's like down here with his little hands like this.
00:43:42.780 Right?
00:43:43.780 Doesn't he?
00:43:44.780 Like a little person.
00:43:46.780 I need to know which photographers and cinematographers the Biden White House hires, because you
00:43:52.780 remember there was that picture with Jimmy and Rosalind Carter where where Joe Biden looked
00:43:57.780 like the Incredible Hulk, like he was going to put Jimmy Carter in his pocket.
00:44:00.780 And then now it looks like like he's he's an aunt or something.
00:44:04.780 He's I don't.
00:44:05.780 There is obviously a perspective problem.
00:44:08.780 It's bad.
00:44:09.780 Why didn't somebody say we don't want him to look like a little person?
00:44:13.780 We want him to look big.
00:44:14.780 If anything, we want him to look, you know, larger than life.
00:44:17.780 So secondly, Steve Krakauer, my EP, pointed this out.
00:44:21.780 How many takes do you think that took?
00:44:24.780 And is there any way the original script was only 12 seconds?
00:44:28.780 Zero.
00:44:29.780 No, no, zero chance.
00:44:32.780 He's not a one take wonder.
00:44:34.780 That's for sure.
00:44:35.780 And the sad thing is, we know that that was the best take.
00:44:40.780 They obviously used the best take.
00:44:42.780 And it wasn't very persuasive about historical or future events.
00:44:47.780 I think we need to see again.
00:44:49.780 Can we see it again?
00:44:50.780 Can you watch it again?
00:44:51.780 Read racket.
00:44:52.780 No, it's kind of funny.
00:44:53.780 All these Republican candidates in the primary trying to beat Donald Trump.
00:44:57.780 I'm still the only person ever beat Donald Trump.
00:45:00.780 I'm looking forward to it again for the good of this country.
00:45:03.780 So that jump cut, as we call it in the biz, where you can see they've sliced it and they
00:45:10.780 zoom in, was obviously there for a reason.
00:45:12.780 He screwed it up.
00:45:13.780 He couldn't get through it.
00:45:14.780 And they couldn't get a second take, I guess, with him in the original position.
00:45:18.780 He couldn't get through even that short bit one time.
00:45:20.780 So they had to use the up close from the second take.
00:45:23.780 That's my belief in what happened.
00:45:25.780 This is terrifying.
00:45:26.780 I'm not Steven Spielberg, Megan.
00:45:29.780 You know, I spend a lot of my life on camera.
00:45:31.780 You spend a lot of your life on camera.
00:45:33.780 It would just seem to me that some good direction for the president in that video would have been
00:45:38.780 to open his eyes.
00:45:39.780 I think that statements are more persuasive when your eyes are open and you're not mumbling
00:45:45.780 in your sleep while you give them.
00:45:47.780 On to victory.
00:45:48.780 Think about it.
00:45:49.780 Think about it.
00:45:50.780 Like Trump.
00:45:51.780 What is Trump?
00:45:52.780 Six foot three.
00:45:53.780 He's a large man.
00:45:54.780 He's got his suit on.
00:45:55.780 You know, he looks together.
00:45:56.780 And then he's looking over at Biden.
00:45:57.780 You're right.
00:45:58.780 I got to add that to my bit.
00:45:59.780 And he's down here with like the little hands.
00:46:01.780 Like.
00:46:02.780 I'm the only one who ever beat Donald Trump.
00:46:07.780 I'm going to do it again.
00:46:09.780 It's not.
00:46:10.780 No one's afraid of that.
00:46:11.780 No one.
00:46:13.780 But I suppose.
00:46:15.780 In a way, it's it's even more audacious because in 2020, the guy didn't run a campaign.
00:46:21.780 He occasionally showed up.
00:46:22.780 There were three people in the audience, but he stayed in this basement.
00:46:25.780 And this time he's even live streaming from the basement with the tiny little hands.
00:46:29.780 And I guess what he's really saying is I don't even need to run, man.
00:46:33.780 We've got a lock on the system.
00:46:36.780 I don't even need to run.
00:46:37.780 Well, is that a preview, right?
00:46:39.780 That's one of the questions.
00:46:40.780 Is that a preview of what we're going to be getting over the next 10, 11 months, Michael?
00:46:45.780 Is that the new campaign spliced videos controlled by his team where he could spit something out in 10 takes?
00:46:52.780 Certainly at the very best.
00:46:54.780 Don't forget 10 or 11 months, Megan, when you're 150 years old as the president of the United States is.
00:47:01.780 That's a long time.
00:47:02.780 That's a lot different than 10 months when you're 25 or 30.
00:47:04.780 And so this is the most vibrant, vigorous Biden we are going to get.
00:47:10.780 Can you even imagine what the man is going to look like in October of 2024?
00:47:15.780 No, I cannot.
00:47:16.780 I will give you some good news.
00:47:18.780 I saw my cardiologist last week.
00:47:19.780 I always go, you know, my dad died at a young age of a heart attack.
00:47:22.780 So I see my cardiologist.
00:47:23.780 He did tell me that our children are going to live to be 120 and their children could live to 140.
00:47:30.780 This president?
00:47:31.780 I don't think so.
00:47:32.780 All right.
00:47:33.780 Stand by Michael Knowles.
00:47:34.780 We'll pick it up in two minutes.
00:47:35.780 Let's talk about some weirdness happening in the Republican Party right now as somebody who works at the Daily Wire where there's like backlash against people who are supporting Ron DeSantis.
00:47:49.780 I don't understand why like hardcore MAGA supporters are so like you're seeing tons of posts on X.
00:47:58.780 We've got the receipts.
00:48:00.780 You people who are Johnny come lately to the Trump train.
00:48:03.780 We know who you are.
00:48:05.780 And like people suggesting the Daily Wire might as well just close up because it was so pro dissent.
00:48:09.780 Like, I don't get it because the last time I checked politics is a game of addition.
00:48:13.780 And the more people you have coming over to your side, the better off you are and the more chance you have of winning.
00:48:19.780 So what's happening there?
00:48:21.780 This is natural.
00:48:22.780 It always happens in primaries.
00:48:24.780 You might expect it to happen more when there are clear ideological distinctions between camps.
00:48:31.780 You know, the right wing conservatives against the Chamber of Commerce establishment neocon types or something, you know, and there would be bad blood and enmity.
00:48:40.780 In this case, it's particularly silly because Trump and DeSantis are running basically on the same platform and DeSantis's career as governor of Florida was spurred on by Trump's presidency.
00:48:56.780 And they diverged a little bit, I guess, over COVID.
00:49:00.780 That was the big break where DeSantis's strongest campaign line was that Trump gave the country over to Fauci, though I'm somewhat skeptical that anyone would have been able to resist the COVID regime.
00:49:13.780 Anyone in the office of president, which is a harder place to do it from than than a state capital.
00:49:18.780 Fair point.
00:49:19.780 Either way, it was a good campaign line.
00:49:20.780 Other than that, the guys are basically the same platform.
00:49:23.780 And perhaps that's why there's so much enmity there is sometimes the most tense political fights can be when the difference is so small.
00:49:33.780 But guys, you know, get over it.
00:49:35.780 It's time to come together.
00:49:36.780 I was quite happy with the field of candidates in 2024.
00:49:40.780 I like DeSantis a lot.
00:49:43.780 Trump is the nominee for all intents and purposes.
00:49:46.780 I really like Trump.
00:49:47.780 He's the best president in my lifetime.
00:49:49.780 It's OK, guys.
00:49:50.780 We can move on, especially when Ronald Reagan said, if you agree with me 80 percent of the time, then we're not 20 percent enemies.
00:49:56.780 We're 80 degree 80 percent allies.
00:49:59.780 In this case, Trump and DeSantis agree on what?
00:50:01.780 Ninety nine point nine nine seven percent of things.
00:50:04.780 It's OK.
00:50:05.780 I get it.
00:50:06.780 Everyone fights during the primary.
00:50:07.780 Now move on and let's support the Republican and beat Joe Biden.
00:50:11.780 As my 10 year old would say, take the dub, take the dub, the W like you guys won.
00:50:17.780 You should.
00:50:18.780 Well, they just have your victory lap.
00:50:20.780 We were right.
00:50:21.780 You were wrong.
00:50:22.780 And then accept the support because, you know, Trump's going to need every single voter he can get and every political commentator he can get to offer a fair assessment of what's about to happen to him.
00:50:34.780 And it's going to be brutal.
00:50:37.780 You know, I've been I've sometimes I'm not a cable news consumer anymore.
00:50:40.780 I just I find it so annoying.
00:50:42.780 It's it's amazing to me to turn on cable news these days after having five years now just basically entirely in the digital lane consuming and then broadcasting to how annoying it is.
00:50:53.780 The product is just so outdated.
00:50:55.780 However, it's interesting to me to do it, especially at places like MSNBC or CNN, just to see what's their messaging around all this.
00:51:03.780 And some of the things they've been saying, which I think are fair, like Carville was on last night on the 6 p.m. hour on MSNBC, and he was saying the Democrats, we don't lose anymore.
00:51:14.780 We don't lose.
00:51:15.780 Look, look at how we've done in all of the elections since Trump was elected.
00:51:20.780 And he was talking about the devastating losses or, you know, at best, close calls that they've imposed on Republicans over the past several years.
00:51:28.780 Now, Trump wasn't on the ballot in 22.
00:51:30.780 He wasn't on the ballot in 23.
00:51:32.780 He was on the ballot in 20, but he wasn't on the ballot in 18, though.
00:51:37.780 You know, those midterm elections tend to be a referendum in the sitting president and so on.
00:51:40.780 But the midterm elections, Megan, are a referendum and they almost always cut against whoever, whichever political party has the White House.
00:51:49.780 So sure, you can say there was some backlash against Trump there, but that would be true of any president.
00:51:55.780 And I'm totally with you on your point here when you say, look, he wasn't on the ballot in this election.
00:52:00.780 He wasn't on the ballot in that election.
00:52:02.780 And even in 2020, I'm not going to go so far as to say that, you know, there was a secret cabal of people rigging the ballots.
00:52:09.780 I think there were all sorts of problems with that election.
00:52:12.780 I think there was clear evidence of fraud in certain places.
00:52:14.780 I think in Pennsylvania, they violated the state constitution to push the widespread mail-in ballots.
00:52:19.780 But even if you think there wasn't enough fraud to have swung the election, in any case, I think everybody has to admit that the Democrats changed all of the election rules in the weeks and months before that election to favor them, especially with the widespread mail-ins.
00:52:35.780 Obviously, they've been pushing to get rid of voter ID for many, many years, and they used COVID as the excuse to do that.
00:52:41.780 So it's not an excuse.
00:52:43.780 It's not to say that Trump doesn't bear any responsibility for how the campaign went.
00:52:47.780 But if the best that the left can argue here and the best that Trump's critics can argue is that he lost in 2020 when they changed all the rules specifically to rig him and they shut down the whole world with a pandemic, I don't know.
00:53:00.780 I don't really blame the guy entirely for that.
00:53:03.780 That's a once-in-a-century kind of a situation.
00:53:06.780 Mm-hmm.
00:53:07.780 But the nonstop coverage of his legal trials will try to paint him in the worst possible light.
00:53:14.780 And the Democrats, right now, their ink is dry.
00:53:17.780 Right now, they've been sitting it out.
00:53:19.780 They have not been fighting the battle that we've been watching over the past couple of months.
00:53:23.780 That's been Republicans doing infighting amongst themselves.
00:53:26.780 The Democrats have been sitting on the sidelines like, OK, this is great.
00:53:30.780 Go for it.
00:53:31.780 Wait till we get involved.
00:53:33.780 And they're about to.
00:53:34.780 And Andy McCarthy has a long post up on this over on National Review.
00:53:38.780 I love Andy.
00:53:39.780 I think he's brilliant.
00:53:40.780 And he's been saying all along that he really, really, really believes that the Democrats wanted Trump to be the nominee.
00:53:45.780 And, of course, it's because they think he's the most easily beatable with the lawfare that they're going to do to him and how much this is going to be in the press.
00:53:54.780 And here's just like I thought it was interesting that David Axelrod tweeted this out, understanding that this is Andy's.
00:53:59.780 The brilliant Andy McCarthy is saying this is so.
00:54:02.780 And I know we're all saying that everybody sees what's coming.
00:54:05.780 But like these are people who are saying, no, I'm telling you, it's going to be a game changer.
00:54:10.780 It's it could make the difference.
00:54:11.780 David Axelrod tweets the following.
00:54:13.780 It's become too easy to skip over the obvious but staggering point about 24, partly because none of the remaining GOP candidates and all too few of the party's elected leaders are willing to make it, colon.
00:54:24.780 The Republican Party is steaming toward nominating a candidate for POTUS who is facing four criminal indictments, including one for plotting to overturn a free and fair election.
00:54:34.780 He very well could be a convicted felon by the Republican convention in July and he could win, exclamation point.
00:54:41.780 We should not lose sight of the meaning of this.
00:54:43.780 It would be a stunning rebuke of the rules, norms, laws and institutions upon which our democracy is founded and would have profound implications for the future.
00:54:53.780 Now, you and I, I think both see this exactly the same way, which is that's not how Republicans look at it or right leaning independence.
00:55:00.780 They see you people as having rebuked the norms and institutions of the past by the by using lawfare to try to take down one half the country's choice or at least millions of Americans.
00:55:13.780 They say you as having done that and Trump is just having fighting, having to fight it.
00:55:17.780 But.
00:55:18.780 It's not going to come down to Republicans and Democrats necessarily.
00:55:23.780 Yes, turnout matters, but those independents get the final say.
00:55:27.780 They're critically important in any of these elections.
00:55:30.780 And as we steamroll towards nominating Donald Trump, do you think that the party needs to be more concerned about what those Dems and that media is about to do to try to win over those independents in the next 10 months?
00:55:46.780 No, I'm a great admirer of Andy McCarthy, but I think on this point he's mistaken.
00:55:51.780 I think the prosecutions only help us not only among conservatives, but among independents, among Democrats.
00:55:58.780 I believe it was Pew, some research institution, put out a poll of what Americans think about the 2020 election.
00:56:05.780 And between 2021 and today, fewer Americans in every single political party, and that includes independents, believe that the 2020 election was legit and that Joe Biden was legitimately elected.
00:56:21.780 Put aside what actually happened in 2020.
00:56:24.780 That is a PR disaster for the Democrats.
00:56:28.780 I'm not saying public opinion shifted by 30, 40, 50%, but you see a drop of something like six points among voters.
00:56:36.780 Furthermore, a clear majority of Americans, according to every poll taken on this, believe that the prosecutions against Trump are politically motivated, that they're unjust, which is obviously the case.
00:56:48.780 Then you start to dig into what these prosecutions are actually about.
00:56:53.780 Nobody who would ever be persuaded to vote for Trump is going to care that he had some classified documents and that the Trump side is going to be able to argue in the court of public opinion, if not in an actual law court, that other presidents have done similar things, that Joe Biden had plenty of classified documents at his home next to his Corvette with his criminal son right next to it.
00:57:16.780 And it's not going to work.
00:57:19.780 Then you look down in Georgia, perhaps we can get to it, but the major corruption scandal involving the DA in Georgia and the prosecutor in the Georgia case, that's going to blow up that entire case.
00:57:33.780 And then you see all of the other attempts to prosecute the man, you know, the notion that he ravished some woman that he maybe met one time in a Bergdorf Goodman, we remember that case from New York, that the business case that says that Mar-a-Lago is worth something like $3, you know, it's just insane.
00:57:48.780 I think they valued the property at $14 million. It's a joke. It just all seems so preposterous.
00:57:53.780 So I'm not saying it can't work as a matter of the law. I'm not saying they can't throw the man in an orange jumpsuit.
00:57:59.780 I just think they have totally gotten ahead of their skis here and they're misreading the way that not only Republicans, but independents and even many Democrats are going to react to it.
00:58:09.780 Hmm. Let's go down to Georgia and talk about what's happening with Fannie Willis down there.
00:58:14.780 So, you know, she got out this Sunday to try to make herself the victim at the, at the pulpit in her Baptist church down in Atlanta, which was absurd.
00:58:22.780 I mean, in my church, they talk about God, Jesus, the Bible, Psalms, the gospel.
00:58:28.780 They don't talk about Fannie Willis and what a victim she is. We don't have like the guest speaker come in and play the victim for us to, I don't get it.
00:58:37.780 I don't get it. But if you're gonna have anybody come in, shouldn't their message be about God as opposed to, you know, poor me.
00:58:44.780 Why are they coming after me, the black prosecutor and my alleged lover?
00:58:48.780 OK, Fannie, we're going to find out whether those two are having an affair or not.
00:58:53.780 They haven't denied it. It's been alleged by one of the defendants in that case, one of the 19 defendants, not Trump, but one of the other defendants.
00:59:01.780 So what we found out, here's one of the things she said when she was at that church the other day and why she thinks she and this special prosecutor who is black.
00:59:08.780 She is black. Two of the other special prosecutors brought in are white.
00:59:11.780 Why she thinks they're being unfairly persecuted. She says, oh, they're only going after the black one.
00:59:16.780 And me, you know, why are my questions, my qualifications being questioned, why are his?
00:59:21.780 And one of the things she said in defense of how she's treating these three was the following.
00:59:29.780 Listen to that one.
00:59:31.780 OK, paid them all the same hourly rate.
00:59:44.780 Now, this is irrelevant because what even if they all got paid the same, the allegation is that unlike the other two, she went with the first one to Jamaica and to Napa and to Florida on the taxpayer dime and had a little margaritas or whatever.
00:59:59.780 And that's a problem for many, many legal, ethical reasons.
01:00:04.780 But let's take her at her word. The Daily Caller did an in-depth report suggesting even that's a lie.
01:00:11.780 They have said they've said that they have seen the documents relating to the money that's being paid to these three special prosecutors and that this Fannie Willis is alleged lover, Nathan Wade.
01:00:22.780 His firm has been billing two hundred and fifty dollars an hour.
01:00:26.780 Now, as recently as May, this past May, her office was paying the other special prosecutor, this one guy, John Floyd, two hundred dollars per hour.
01:00:36.780 And the year before that, months before that, he was only getting one hundred and fifty dollars an hour.
01:00:42.780 Now, did he get some big raise from one hundred and fifty dollars an hour to two hundred and then to two hundred and fifty?
01:00:48.780 There's no evidence of that. So it's possible she's not even telling the truth about that.
01:00:54.780 Meanwhile, it's also true that that other prosecutor has his hours capped at a certain number and we we do not have the same cap on her alleged lover.
01:01:07.780 So all of this may just be one long sleight of hand to downplay the huge fees that she has paid her alleged lover versus the other two.
01:01:16.780 I would submit it was an unnecessary lie if it was a lie because it doesn't go to the heart of the case.
01:01:21.780 The heart of the case is not that she paid him more, though that would be interesting.
01:01:24.780 It's that she paid him and then went on lavish vacations with him while under an obligation to look like she is above partisan politics and above having any legal or financial incentive to herself to keep this case going.
01:01:38.780 Michael, what do you make of it? The question is also why she even picked this guy.
01:01:44.780 He is completely unqualified. He has no experience prosecuting RICO cases.
01:01:49.780 Don't forget the case against Trump here is implausibly a RICO case, the kind of thing they use against the mafia.
01:01:55.780 He has no experience doing that. He's got very little prosecutorial experience whatsoever.
01:02:00.780 This is a guy who's handled municipal matters like parking tickets.
01:02:03.780 So why did he get picked for this case in the first place?
01:02:07.780 These are not questions that I, a far right wing Republican, am bringing up alone.
01:02:11.780 The Washington Post was bringing up these questions.
01:02:14.780 The Washington Post pointed out how strange it is that a matter that ordinarily would have been handled by civil servants and government bureaucrats is being farmed out at a very expensive rate to some outside law firm.
01:02:28.780 The lawyer for which is taking the D.A. on all sorts of fancy vacations that you've already cited.
01:02:35.780 So I'm not surprised by any of this.
01:02:38.780 These are the people who are prosecuting the chief political rival to the sitting president.
01:02:45.780 Of course they're corrupt.
01:02:47.780 These are the people who are bringing about a constitutional crisis totally unprecedented with no legal or political basis whatsoever.
01:02:56.780 Yeah, these are very, very corrupt people.
01:03:00.780 But now we're learning how pervasive that corruption is, that it involves everything you want from a good political scandal.
01:03:09.780 It involves graft.
01:03:10.780 It involves weaponizing the government against your enemies.
01:03:13.780 And it might even involve romance.
01:03:16.780 The latest news on that is attorneys for a media coalition, I don't know who else is in there, I know CNN is one of them, is now asking the Georgia judge overseeing Nathan Wade's divorce proceeding to unseal his divorce records, saying this possible relationship has now become a matter of public concern.
01:03:41.780 And I've told the audience before they're seeking Fannie Willis's deposition in that divorce proceeding.
01:03:48.780 We'll find out why.
01:03:50.780 But the lawyer for one of Trump's co-defendants who filed this motion to get Fannie Willis booted from the case, as well as her whole office, says she has seen the records that she was provided access to them before they were sealed and is saying those two are in an extramarital affair.
01:04:06.780 And that even though the stuff is sealed, she'll be able to prove it once they unseal it.
01:04:11.780 He filed for divorce from his wife November 2nd, 2021, which was literally the day after he started working for Fannie Willis.
01:04:19.780 The allegation is that the affair preceded that.
01:04:22.780 And she said, hey, why don't you come over and work for me?
01:04:25.780 He filed for divorce, did it.
01:04:27.780 And now they've been seeing the world together.
01:04:28.780 This people that you have to understand, some people might be saying, so they're having an affair.
01:04:32.780 Who cares? You don't understand what the law puts extraordinarily high ethical burdens on prosecutors.
01:04:37.780 Given the power they have, peeps, they think about the power they have and that she's trying to exercise in this case.
01:04:43.780 They can put you behind bars for the rest of your life, even if you're an innocent man, if they turn on you and decide to come for you if they're unethical.
01:04:51.780 That's why we require very, very, very high ethics for these people.
01:04:55.780 And we require more than that. They have the ethics.
01:04:58.780 We require them to behave in a way that it's beyond any appearance of impropriety.
01:05:04.780 It can't even have the stank of impropriety.
01:05:08.780 Fannie, you're in trouble.
01:05:10.780 And you tell me, Michael, I don't know if you watched any of like the speech she gave at that church.
01:05:14.780 Do we have a soundbite from the other day?
01:05:16.780 Take a look at her. Take take a look at her in action, talking about how, you know, they're going to play the race card against her.
01:05:23.780 Just watch this.
01:05:25.780 Why does Commissioner Thorne and so many others question my decision in a special counsel?
01:05:32.780 I appointed three special counsel. This is my right to do paid them all the same hourly rate.
01:05:39.780 They only attack one. First thing they say, oh, she going to play the race card now.
01:05:46.780 But no, God, isn't it them who's playing the race card when they only question one?
01:05:52.780 Why are they so surprised that a diverse team that I assembled, your child, can accomplish extraordinary things?
01:06:01.780 God, wasn't it them that attacked this lawyer of impeccable credentials?
01:06:07.780 How come, God, the same black man I hired was acceptable when a Republican in another county hired him and paid him twice the rate?
01:06:18.780 Oh, y'all ain't hear me.
01:06:20.780 Why is the white male Republicans judgment good enough, but the black female Democrats not?
01:06:29.780 I don't know. I mean, in our church that we talk about the gospel, but OK, so you tell me because there's a very good chance that this trial is going to be broadcast.
01:06:40.780 Unlike the federal trials, I expect there will be cameras inside this courtroom.
01:06:45.780 If Fannie Willis is the one trying this case, pulling any of that nonsense, Michael, she may win over a Georgia jury, an Atlanta jury.
01:06:53.780 She very well may do it. But she is not going to win over the nation to the point earlier about whether these four prosecutions actually play a role in turning those critical independents against Trump.
01:07:03.780 They're going to see what they're dealing with here.
01:07:06.780 The way that you know that the defendants have got this woman dead to rights is not even just her refusal to deny the allegations, but it's that immediate playing of the race card.
01:07:16.780 And going further, you know, she's taking the Lord's name in vain here.
01:07:21.780 This is all vanity, the way that she's playing this race card.
01:07:25.780 Oh, why me? Why me? Why am I being held accountable for my corruption and my actions?
01:07:31.780 It's really, really ugly. And we haven't even touched on perhaps the most disturbing aspect of corruption in this case, which is that the prosecutor in question, Nathan Wade, appears to have billed Fulton County $4,000 for meetings with Biden officials.
01:07:49.780 So now hold on. You've got the prosecutor in this case who is alleged to be having an affair with the DA and taking basically giving the DA in kind kickbacks by taking her on these lavish vacations.
01:08:02.780 They're all conspiring to take down the chief political rival to the president of the United States.
01:08:07.780 And now the prosecutor is meeting with Joe Biden's lackeys to go after and get his chief rival.
01:08:13.780 And then, by the way, he's charging the taxpayer money for doing it.
01:08:18.780 It's so astounding in its brazenness, in its audacity, in their insane belief that this kind of corruption at every level would not be exposed.
01:08:32.780 Will they be held to account for that as a legal matter? I'm not sure.
01:08:36.780 But as you say, Megan, as a matter of PR, there is nobody in his right mind who could think that this is anything but profoundly corrupt.
01:08:47.780 And stupid. It's stupid. It's stupid. This is just a dumb ass move.
01:08:52.780 You know better. You know better as a lawyer, never mind as a prosecutor.
01:08:56.780 It's not about your skin color. It's about what's up here, Fanny.
01:09:01.780 That's what you need to work on.
01:09:03.780 OK, let's shift gears because I always love hearing Michael Knowles on anything cultural.
01:09:07.780 And there's been a couple of stories in the news that I want to get to with you.
01:09:10.780 All right. So I confess I never watched this show The Boys and I have yet to watch True Detective, which is surprising because I love true crime.
01:09:19.780 But it's on my list. So apparently there's this gal who starred in both of those.
01:09:25.780 Her name is Erin Moriarty and she's 29 years old and she's a beautiful actress.
01:09:32.780 But she's decided to completely change her face.
01:09:35.780 This is a picture of her before, which I think was relatively recent, I know, within the past year or so.
01:09:41.780 Very beautiful girl. So beautiful that she was becoming a very famous Hollywood actress put on camera and on screen and on multiple shows and movies.
01:09:48.780 Now look at her. Stand by. We'll put it up in a second.
01:09:58.780 Look at that. She's got the Kim Kardashian lips.
01:10:03.780 She's made her nose so skinny. It looks like a pencil now.
01:10:08.780 She's got like what appear to me to be cheek implants.
01:10:12.780 You know, you'd like huge. The cheekbones are like out to here.
01:10:16.780 Look at. She looked like a nice, beautiful, natural gal.
01:10:21.780 And I'm sorry not to pick on this Moriarty gal, but like more and more young women are doing this, Michael.
01:10:30.780 It's not about an objection to plastic surgery.
01:10:33.780 It's about an obsession with turning yourself into this fake version of yourself into truly like a Kim Kardashian disciple with the enormous lips and the teeny tiny nose and the huge overdone filler cheeks.
01:10:50.780 I don't know what's in there.
01:10:51.780 And I I find it like a sign of mental illness.
01:10:57.780 It's extremely upsetting.
01:10:58.780 It's a it's a massive turnoff to me.
01:11:00.780 I really want to get in the heads of these young girls and say, please don't do this.
01:11:04.780 What do you make of it?
01:11:05.780 It's not just an individual mental illness.
01:11:07.780 It's actually a social illness.
01:11:09.780 The reason that a beautiful girl would do something like this and she's not the only one is because we're living in hyper reality.
01:11:15.780 This is a concept developed by the philosopher Baudrillard expounded upon by a great Twitter account named vocal distance.
01:11:25.780 I had him on my show not too long ago to talk about it.
01:11:28.780 Hyper reality is the idea that, you know, back in the old long time ago days, someone would go to a bush and pick a strawberry and eat the strawberry and say, oh, the strawberry is really, really good.
01:11:39.780 But if you want an even more concentrated version of the strawberry flavor, you can you can make squeeze it and make strawberry juice.
01:11:46.780 Right. And then if you want it to be even more intense than that, you could you could make a kind of a strawberry concentrate out of it.
01:11:53.780 And then one day a candy maker is going to come along and he's going to say, you know, I think we're going to take this strawberry flavor.
01:12:00.780 We're going to make strawberry ice cream out of it or a strawberry gummy.
01:12:04.780 Yeah, that's right.
01:12:05.780 We're going to get that flavor and we're going to make it into some kind of candy.
01:12:08.780 And then, you know, we're going to actually we're going to make a Jolly Rancher out of the strawberry.
01:12:12.780 And you know what? We're going to make a Jolly Rancher soda out of the strawberry Jolly Rancher out of the candy, out of the concentrate, out of the juice of the strawberry.
01:12:19.780 You get to the end of this and the strawberry Jolly Rancher soda doesn't taste anything like an actual strawberry.
01:12:25.780 You've concentrated it. You've intensified it so much.
01:12:28.780 It's become such a caricature of itself that it's totally unrecognizable.
01:12:32.780 It's lost its core identity.
01:12:34.780 This is what happens with people's appearances today.
01:12:38.780 And I think it's a result of, as you say, reality TV.
01:12:41.780 It's a result of social media.
01:12:43.780 It's a result of all of these bizarre fads.
01:12:45.780 Oh, women with fuller lips are more attractive than women with thinner lips.
01:12:50.780 OK, now we're going to balloon our lips out so that they take up half of our face.
01:12:54.780 Oh, women with the more curves are more attractive than the pencil shaped women.
01:12:58.780 OK, well, now we're going to take it completely out of proportion and it becomes grotesque and ghastly.
01:13:04.780 I really hesitate in any way to criticize this woman or any other woman's appearance, but it's a social phenomenon.
01:13:11.780 So many women are doing it.
01:13:12.780 And so I beg them.
01:13:13.780 I implore them.
01:13:14.780 I say, ladies, plastic surgery almost never.
01:13:19.780 I don't maybe not one single time ever has made someone look better.
01:13:22.780 All of these cosmetic procedures are.
01:13:25.780 Oh, I don't agree with that.
01:13:26.780 I don't agree with that.
01:13:27.780 I've seen a lot.
01:13:28.780 Oh, I've seen a lot of women benefit from, in particular, nose jobs and men.
01:13:33.780 I've seen that, too.
01:13:34.780 Look, I'm not against plastic surgery.
01:13:36.780 This is something else.
01:13:38.780 This is like a mental disorder.
01:13:39.780 This is extreme.
01:13:41.780 When you start off incredibly beautiful and you end up like a plastic Barbie version of Kardashian.
01:13:49.780 Like what and who did that to her?
01:13:52.780 Who is the surgeon who said, yes, I will keep going.
01:13:54.780 Yes, I will stick all sorts of crap into your cheeks and I will give you the whatever nose job, the extreme nose job to where you're basically your nose has disappeared.
01:14:03.780 You know, it's like just a tiny little line down your face now.
01:14:06.780 And I will pump your lips up to where, like, there's no space between the top one and your nose and your bottom one in the base of your chin.
01:14:13.780 This you're making these people look other like A.I., like other than human.
01:14:19.780 And when I actually saw her photos, I thought, is this an A.I. generated face?
01:14:22.780 Is this real?
01:14:23.780 Maybe this is just like a scandal somebody's put together to get people talking, because sometimes people do that.
01:14:28.780 But apparently it's real.
01:14:30.780 She's done this to herself.
01:14:32.780 Look, she's not the only one I I would be lying if I didn't say my whole family stopped and look at looked at the latest pictures of Lauren Sanchez, who's engaged to Jeff Bezos.
01:14:42.780 I don't know what she's done to herself, but she looks nothing like she used to look.
01:14:47.780 Well, yes, when she was younger, but even when she first started to date him, I don't know what's happened to the cheeks.
01:14:53.780 The breasts are out to here.
01:14:55.780 The face is pulled and prodded.
01:14:57.780 She's going out in her lingerie now.
01:14:59.780 This is the latest thing to wear a thong underwear and a sexy bra and just some lace overlay on top of it, which is like, I'm sorry, but she looks like a hooker.
01:15:08.780 That is you look like a hooker and you're dating the richest man in the world or one of them.
01:15:13.780 Try to be a little classy.
01:15:15.780 Must everything be an expose of your obviously over enhanced assets?
01:15:21.780 I I don't mean to be such a prude, Michael, but I just feel like we're losing something as a society.
01:15:25.780 I don't want my daughter looking at that and I don't want my sons looking at it either.
01:15:29.780 But we did because there it was in The New York Post.
01:15:31.780 It was hard to avoid.
01:15:33.780 And where are we all looking at it?
01:15:34.780 We're all looking at it on our screens, which is exactly the point that you're making.
01:15:38.780 It the way that these women are modifying themselves and even just dressing and presenting themselves is like an AI robot of a person.
01:15:48.780 But that's because the the beauty that we see around us now is is not in the real world with which we interact decreasing every single day.
01:15:59.780 But it's the it's our screens.
01:16:01.780 And, you know, photographs make everyone look a little bit different than they do in real life.
01:16:05.780 And especially with all of the digital enhancements that people can make, they look rather different, you know, even than they would have 10 or 20 years ago.
01:16:14.780 And so we become totally sucked into this virtual reality.
01:16:18.780 Now, add on to that the ideological dimension of of liberation.
01:16:23.780 You know, I think part of the reason why the transgender movement became such a craze over the last six or seven years is because of this technological fact.
01:16:32.780 The more that we live in the digital world, the less our bodies matter, the less we identify with our bodies.
01:16:39.780 Even the way that we speak about our relation to our bodies is is in a Gnostic way these days.
01:16:45.780 We talk about our true selves, you know, being trapped in a certain body.
01:16:49.780 And so if the body doesn't accurately reflect our true selves, whatever that means, then we're just going to chop our bodies up.
01:16:56.780 This is a major shift from the way that for all of Western civilization, we thought about our souls and bodies, which is that they're in a hylomorphic union forever as long as we exist on this Earth.
01:17:07.780 But if you think, no, my body is just an accident, you know, and I can I can change it to better correspond to my true metaphysical self, then you're going to start chopping yourself up and ballooning out other parts and injecting poison into your face.
01:17:20.780 And there's really no end of that. You know, it's a real not to not to sound too religious here, but it's a real trick of the devil.
01:17:27.780 It's just a vice and an addiction and a temptation that's going to leave you looking in the most extreme case like Michael Jackson, which seems to be the standard of beauty that a lot of young women are aiming toward.
01:17:39.780 Yes. Or like that's that that socialite. She's Swiss. I think they call her the cat woman online or it's just like you can't even reckon it. She looks like a cat. She looks like a human cat now.
01:17:49.780 I just look. I think somebody needs to intervene. I feel like these are unethical plastic surgeons. Someone needs to say I used to watch that show Nip Tuck back in the day.
01:17:59.780 In the day, it was entertaining. Then it got really weird and dark, but it was kind of cool. And, you know, somebody needs to step in when you see that you've got an addict here, you know, like the same way that the bartender will say when the guy's barfing at the end of the bar asking for another glass of scotch.
01:18:14.420 It's time for you to stop, sir. The plastic surgeon needs to say it's time for you to stop, madam. Like you've gone too far. This is an aesthetic that you're going for.
01:18:23.280 It should literally be a Nip or a Tuck. It shouldn't be like this drastic makeover of already beautiful women who are obviously suffering mentally. That's my own judgment. I realize I'm passing it and it's not my life to lead. It's theirs.
01:18:37.000 I just feel like I really hope this isn't the truth for my daughter when she gets older. And I hope it's not the truth for America's daughters.
01:18:44.560 The point you just made, Megan, was so important because what you said is, look, there's an objective standard here and we can tell that, OK, if you want to do a little bit,
01:18:53.280 a little bit of work here or there, maybe that's within reason. But the people who totally transform themselves in this way that is making them look worse, that we shouldn't be doing that.
01:19:02.840 Someone should intervene. But what that implies is that there are objective standards.
01:19:07.840 There's objective standards of health, of sanity, of beauty, of truth, of morality.
01:19:14.600 And I certainly think that I think reasonable people think that. But in our culture, we're told now that everything is subjective.
01:19:21.020 Everything is relative. And the only moral criterion that matters is consent.
01:19:26.820 So if an adult consents to do something increasingly, even if a child consents to do something, if you ask the left, then they should be permitted to do that, even if it's going to harm them, even if it's objectively disordered.
01:19:38.880 So then it's like we're getting rid of regular faces, like we're getting rid of real human faces.
01:19:44.660 You know, I've told the audience I'm in the I'm in the midst. I've gone off and read some other things in the meantime.
01:19:49.020 I'm going to be honest. The book is dragging. But I've been listening to Barbara Streisand's biography, her memoir.
01:19:55.880 It's almost a thousand pages. It goes on. But I have to say, I appreciate the fact she talks about in the book.
01:20:02.020 She never got a nose job because she was worried that it was going to change her voice.
01:20:07.140 But also she says she kind of likes her nose, like she likes her face the way it is.
01:20:11.180 It's a very large nose, but it works on her.
01:20:13.900 And Barbara Streisand, like you see her and funny girl and you see her in the way we were.
01:20:18.040 And she's got real moments of beauty. But we're kind of losing that.
01:20:21.680 It just feel like more and more. I see these young girls and they look just like this plasticized version of this girl where like everything is skinny or then like puffed out.
01:20:30.400 Like you've got the certain things that are allowed to be skinny and then you've got the things that must be puffed out, like your cheeks and your lips and your ass and your breasts over the top.
01:20:38.120 And it's like, who's in there? What's what was what used to be there?
01:20:42.360 I don't know. And it's all the same standard. It's not like the way reality is, where you've got your blondes, you've got your brunettes, you've got your green eyes, you've got your blue eyes, you've got your people with this nose and that nose and these cheeks and those cheeks.
01:20:52.680 It all has to be some version of Kim Kardashian.
01:20:55.560 And something's happening to us. And I don't think it's healthy. And I think it's related to TikTok and it's related to Instagram.
01:21:01.820 It's no accident. All this crap has happened since the explosion of social media, you know, in the past 10 years.
01:21:07.280 I'll give you the final word on my weird rant about people's choices.
01:21:12.020 I love the Streisand example, because what does Barbara Streisand look like without her nose?
01:21:19.420 It's a very distinctive feature. I wouldn't recognize her. I wouldn't be able to pick her out of a lineup if not for her nose.
01:21:25.200 And it's, sure, I suppose some other nose might be more beautiful, say, but it's hers and it's distinctive.
01:21:31.500 And that's lovely. We love to talk about individuality in our day and age.
01:21:36.540 And yet we seem to want to stamp out any authentic individuality that would actually distinguish any of us from the other.
01:21:43.220 You know, men and women are different. Different groups of people are different. Individuals differ from one another.
01:21:49.480 That can be a fine and a beautiful thing.
01:21:52.540 But if you don't have a strong sense of what your identity is, who you are, how your soul relates to your body, how you relate to your family and your community and your whole country,
01:22:01.560 and ultimately how you relate to your God, who, by the way, identifies himself in the burning bush as I am who I am, as being himself.
01:22:10.740 Well, if you don't have that strong sense of identity all the way down, you're just going to be left with this question, who am I?
01:22:18.200 And you're going to be constantly seeking after fleeting identities that will never satisfy you and that will leave you completely undifferentiated.
01:22:27.560 Mm hmm. It's so true. And you think about me. One thing I'll say about Streisand is like her talent.
01:22:33.520 I realize her politics are lunatics or they're crazy. I've told the audience before she pulled me aside at an event in 2016.
01:22:39.720 She didn't understand why the coal miners would vote for Trump.
01:22:44.460 What? Literally the Democrats, including Hillary, are saying that they're going to end their business.
01:22:49.280 Why wouldn't they vote for Trump? Anywho, that's her politics. Whatevs.
01:22:52.580 Um, but she had this extraordinary career where she was lauded as one of the most talented and the most beautiful.
01:23:00.660 Listen to the biography women in the world by, you know, allegedly had sex with Marlon Brando and like had a lot of wonderful lovers.
01:23:09.380 Married a very gorgeous man, James Brolin, who's one of his best quotes or something like I don't like going to sleep at night because I'm going to miss her.
01:23:17.180 I can't wait to wake up next to her in the morning and keep talking like that's awesome.
01:23:21.580 There are so many other ways to develop yourself. Not again, like I realize that the plastic surgery is one step away from dyeing your hair.
01:23:27.960 Right. Or I get the Botox and I get that makeup.
01:23:31.320 Um, but it is a step away. And the more you lean into that lane, like the more you run a real risk of looking like somebody totally different from how God made you.
01:23:43.120 I don't, it gets uncomfortable for me. Michael Knowles, you're the best. You look great just as you are. Don't change a thing.
01:23:50.100 Thank you, Megan. I'm calling off the rhinoplasty. Wonderful to be with you as always. See you next time.
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01:24:59.220 All right, let's kick it off with Felix in Connecticut.
01:25:02.060 Felix, what do you make of how the GOP primary is going?
01:25:06.360 Hi. Well, first and foremost, I have to say, Megan,
01:25:10.460 please tell Doug, your husband, thank you for that wonderful book.
01:25:14.500 I called in when he was on with you, and I ordered the book.
01:25:17.860 It was phenomenal.
01:25:19.820 Loved it.
01:25:20.160 Oh, that's so nice.
01:25:21.760 Thank you.
01:25:22.100 It's called The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, and it went back on the New York Times bestseller list just this week.
01:25:28.240 He's crushing it.
01:25:29.200 So thank you, Felix, for buying the book.
01:25:30.760 All of our fans have been so supportive.
01:25:32.680 Very much appreciate it.
01:25:34.000 Oh, you're welcome.
01:25:35.460 So the caucus, yes, I think all the other, you know, Ron, and they've got to drop out.
01:25:42.820 It's clearly the best path for Trump.
01:25:45.440 We need to get behind him because the Democrats are going to throw everything they have against us,
01:25:50.920 and we need to consolidate around him, who is clearly going to be the, you know, the voice of the conservative movement,
01:25:58.880 and he has been, and I think that's what the majority of us want.
01:26:01.280 All right, let me ask you this.
01:26:02.360 Can he win?
01:26:03.780 Because DeSantis supporters, some others say, you know, how does he, you know, he lost 7 million votes.
01:26:10.700 So how do we get more voters into the Trump column this time, or who are they going to be?
01:26:16.140 Who that hated Trump last time now likes him and will vote for him?
01:26:21.280 Well, his message, he's got to be a little more conciliatory, like he did in his speech.
01:26:26.380 And if he just continues to talk about the economy, what he's going to do with fossil fuels and the relationship of oil versus the ability of the Iranians and the Russians to prosecute the wars they have,
01:26:44.600 because we've enriched them, because we've abandoned our fossil fuel industry.
01:26:48.520 You're saying stay on the issues.
01:26:49.320 You're saying stay on the issues.
01:26:50.900 Stop the ad hominem.
01:26:51.820 Yeah.
01:26:52.860 Yeah.
01:26:53.680 Yeah.
01:26:53.980 We'll see.
01:26:54.720 He's not that disciplined on that subject, Felix, as you know.
01:27:00.200 I'll give you the last word.
01:27:01.300 Yeah.
01:27:02.400 Okay.
01:27:02.800 Last word is, I think you alluded to who your vice president pick is going to be, and I think you're thinking Tulsi Gabbard.
01:27:10.460 I think Christine Ohm.
01:27:13.580 Okay.
01:27:14.080 I am not thinking Tulsi.
01:27:15.820 Good guess, but thank you for playing, sir.
01:27:18.840 Felix, stay in touch and keep watching and reading.
01:27:20.760 We appreciate it.
01:27:21.520 Let's go to Wayne in North Carolina.
01:27:23.840 Now, Wayne's got thoughts for who Trump will pick as VP or should pick as VP.
01:27:29.100 Which is it, Wayne?
01:27:29.760 What do you think?
01:27:31.640 I'm with your last caller.
01:27:33.360 I was, if it's a female, I think Christine Noem.
01:27:37.040 Um, and I wanted to let you know about the Santa's.
01:27:41.600 I think I spoke to you a few months ago and said he just, he just doesn't grab people.
01:27:45.920 He doesn't have that charisma.
01:27:47.320 And it's, it's too bad because I live in Florida and, and I've seen what he's done.
01:27:52.140 He knows how to govern.
01:27:53.060 Um, I can tell you that my adult children with their nine grandkids and eight of them in school,
01:28:00.480 they love the guy because they're not concerned about what the DEI and the girls going in boys'
01:28:07.720 bathrooms and vice versa.
01:28:08.940 Um, teaching five-year-olds about gender and, and, you know, the doctor taking a guess on what
01:28:16.420 your sex is when you're born.
01:28:17.800 They're not worried about that at all right now anyway, since they still have him, but
01:28:22.560 he just doesn't have that, that star power.
01:28:26.300 I don't know what it is, but he doesn't have it.
01:28:29.780 Yeah.
01:28:30.340 I mean, I'll tell you, if they lived in a state like mine where it's happening left and right,
01:28:33.640 they might care more.
01:28:34.440 It might be nice to, we must be very nice to have Ron DeSantis as your governor.
01:28:39.500 And it looks like Florida is going to have him for a few more years.
01:28:42.060 The way things are going.
01:28:43.280 Thanks for calling in, Wayne.
01:28:44.260 We appreciate it.
01:28:45.000 Or let's see.
01:28:45.500 Who else has got some thoughts on VP, Joe, Joe down in Texas.
01:28:49.500 Hey, Joe, what's your thought?
01:28:52.980 Thanks for taking my call.
01:28:54.440 And it's a pleasure to talk to you.
01:28:57.320 Your previous caller stole my thunder.
01:28:59.460 I was going to say, uh, Governor Naomi, I think she could do a good job.
01:29:03.480 I think she's got the personality.
01:29:05.780 I'm sorry.
01:29:06.400 No, I'm sorry.
01:29:07.120 Thank you, ma'am.
01:29:07.700 I apologize.
01:29:08.860 A little nervous talking to such a beautiful woman.
01:29:11.400 Anyway, I do that.
01:29:12.500 And, and, and what I would like to make a point, a point about is that I think women, all women of childbearing, uh, ones that have child children, future childbearing grandmas, everybody should be up in arms about the fact that all these illegal aliens have come across the border.
01:29:30.440 They are going to take our money, future money that the taxpayers are paying.
01:29:36.740 They're going to take our job, their job.
01:29:39.020 There's not going to be any jobs for these kids.
01:29:41.220 There's not going to be any scholarship for them to get ahead in life because as we have seen through the, through the equal opportunity, I believe I got that right, that, you know, they, they, they made a mandate for people that have to be, uh, of certain color in the, in a job at 1%, 2%.
01:29:59.380 Well, it's going to work that way for the, for the illegal aliens.
01:30:03.020 They're going to tell our, our, uh, uh, corporate owners, tell them that they have to have a 1%, 2%, 5%, 10%, 20% eventually because I'll be 20 million.
01:30:13.760 I just saw something online saying Princeton, the freshman class at Princeton this year, the incoming class with, they accepted 16% white.
01:30:22.620 I need to verify this, but I saw, I saw an article about it.
01:30:25.460 16% white guarantee you that the applicants, uh, were way more than 16% and that the quality of the SATs and the grades for the white applicants, I'll bet you was top notch and would have justified far more than 16%.
01:30:39.220 Um, I believe it was the same number of blacks in the first year class and all sorts of diversity in there about, and that's fine to have 16% black class, but there's only 13 to 14% blacks in the United States.
01:30:53.080 So they're overrepresented whites are vastly underrepresented in that.
01:30:56.820 And so there is an obvious discrimination, which of course the U S Supreme court just spoke to.
01:31:01.960 And I see your point, the more immigrants we allow into the country, and these are not lawful, uh, but we want them to be.
01:31:08.580 It's very clear.
01:31:09.160 The Democrats want them to be, they want to become citizens.
01:31:11.840 They want to start voting.
01:31:12.800 Many of us believe that's part of the plan.
01:31:14.440 How's that going to go in 18 years?
01:31:16.080 So these are concerns.
01:31:17.420 A lot of people have Joe, you're not, you're not alone.
01:31:19.860 Thank you for calling in with your thoughts on it.
01:31:22.280 Um, okay, let's see.
01:31:23.340 Let's go to Sharon in Florida, Sharon.
01:31:26.260 What's your thought on the GOP primary and Trump?
01:31:30.260 Well, I mean, clearly Trump is the nominee.
01:31:32.960 I mean, everyone really needs to just, I, I'm listen, I like Trump a lot.
01:31:39.000 I voted for him the first time.
01:31:40.680 Do I wish there was some other option?
01:31:43.380 Sure.
01:31:43.880 But there's not because we are going to lose this country.
01:31:48.240 It's something, I mean, he cannot put Nikki Haley on the ticket.
01:31:52.400 There's no way.
01:31:53.420 I mean, I think she's just as much of a Democrat as Joe Biden.
01:31:58.360 I don't see anything even Republican or independent about her.
01:32:03.200 I just find her very, I don't know, annoying.
01:32:06.860 I just, I really don't like her.
01:32:08.940 I find she talks down.
01:32:10.600 She kind of talks out of both sides of her mouth.
01:32:13.440 I just, I'm not interested in her at all.
01:32:16.280 And the way things are going, I just think there needs to be real change and something's
01:32:22.520 got to give.
01:32:23.020 I mean, I was listening to your last caller.
01:32:24.620 There are so many things, even in Florida that, you know, I can't believe people are
01:32:28.520 not upset about, like really, truly upset.
01:32:33.160 I mean, I mean, the way things are at the grocery store, the way things are, I mean, your last
01:32:38.960 caller was talking about and you were saying about, I heard, you know, the percentage of,
01:32:43.440 you know, white people that were accepted to where Princeton, I'm seeing it here.
01:32:48.420 I mean, there is such discrimination in these schools for white, white boys.
01:32:54.880 I mean, I have three girls and a boy.
01:32:57.700 I mean, I'm in Florida and literally I have an issue at my school where, you know, they
01:33:04.940 give these standardized tests.
01:33:06.380 He was really high on the first one.
01:33:09.080 The second one, he went down a little, like a little bit, right?
01:33:12.260 It was, you know, he got a five.
01:33:13.660 He got like a lower five.
01:33:14.580 Um, you know, they're, the teacher is saying, well, he doesn't, he doesn't take it seriously.
01:33:22.320 Well, what are you talking about?
01:33:24.420 You know what I mean?
01:33:24.820 Like they're on, they're embracing mediocrity in schools.
01:33:29.700 They're sharing.
01:33:30.360 I share these feelings.
01:33:31.980 I feel like my three white children, but in particular, the boys, they're, they're going
01:33:37.840 to have to get, if they were to get, if they were going to get into any sort of top tier
01:33:41.220 school and I don't want them going to the Harvards of the world, but any set.
01:33:43.700 They're going to have to have over a 4.0.
01:33:47.300 They're going to have perfect, have to have perfect scores on the SATs or the AC.
01:33:51.240 Otherwise they won't even be candidates.
01:33:53.880 They won't even be and be capped.
01:33:56.200 Like it's absurd.
01:33:57.460 These are terrible, absurd, unattainable standards.
01:34:00.140 We're not pushing our kids to do any of that crap, but I'm just saying if, if you wanted
01:34:04.080 them to go, like my husband went to Duke, we wanted him to go to Duke that we'd have to
01:34:07.820 ruin their childhoods in order for them to get in now because they're white and they happen
01:34:12.500 to be boys.
01:34:14.240 So we're telling these kids, I'm seeing this firsthand.
01:34:17.200 I have a son who's incredibly intelligent and I'm not just saying that like he was tested,
01:34:22.620 the county tested him.
01:34:25.600 Now, well, he's too confident.
01:34:28.840 I'm not sending him to school for you to tell me he, I'm glad he's confident.
01:34:32.860 I say this all the time.
01:34:33.980 Oh, it's like you and your husband would be like, oh, we'll work on that.
01:34:36.960 We'll undermine him more at home.
01:34:38.700 I'm sorry to cut you off.
01:34:39.660 I only have 14 seconds before the computer ends our call.
01:34:42.960 But I hear everything you said.
01:34:45.720 I share your frustrations and you're right.
01:34:48.300 I mean, maybe the answer is we just let these school systems fall apart and a new one will
01:34:51.940 rise up as better and more fair.
01:34:54.260 All the best to you, Sharon.
01:34:55.540 All the best to all my audience for listening and calling in.
01:34:58.140 Really appreciate it.
01:34:58.660 We'll do it more often.
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