The Megyn Kelly Show - Candace Owens on the Derek Chauvin Trial, Motherhood, and Cardi B

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.540 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.860 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.440 Today on the program, Candace Owens.

00:00:48.540 The one and only.

00:00:49.860 She's amazing and she's here.

00:00:51.420 I'm psyched.

00:00:52.580 She's got a new show, everybody.

00:00:54.280 I don't know if you've checked this out,

00:00:55.360 but if you haven't, you need to.

00:00:56.600 It's on The Daily Wire and it's called,

00:00:58.820 appropriately, Candace.

00:01:01.200 And it shows sort of the full Candace Owens, right?

00:01:03.800 It's not, she's not all barbs and elbows.

00:01:06.960 Now finally you'll get to know her as the person she truly is.

00:01:11.040 So anyway, we're going to talk a little bit about it.

00:01:13.080 We're going to talk about new motherhood.

00:01:14.400 She had a baby January 13th.

00:01:16.060 And we get into her fight with Cardi B,

00:01:19.940 her fight with a Democratic lawmaker, politician, I should say,

00:01:23.620 who has been coming after her for years.

00:01:25.560 And she finally wound up calling the cops on this guy

00:01:28.800 and basically forcing him to leave politics.

00:01:31.240 How about that?

00:01:32.560 She's got feelings on the trial of Derek Chauvin,

00:01:35.460 the police officer accused in the death of George Floyd.

00:01:38.300 And, of course, the latest COVID restrictions

00:01:42.100 and how we might all need passports to get around

00:01:45.120 and mandatory vaccinations for children potentially.

00:01:48.200 So anyway, you're going to enjoy the interview.

00:01:50.140 She's fun.

00:01:50.760 She's spicy.

00:01:51.660 She's awesome.

00:01:52.780 We'll get to her in one second.

00:01:54.100 But first this.

00:02:01.480 Candace.

00:02:02.340 Hey, Megan.

00:02:03.080 How are you?

00:02:04.120 I'm good.

00:02:04.840 How are you?

00:02:05.520 How's everything?

00:02:06.680 Busy, crazy, but, you know, good.

00:02:08.580 Life's a blessing.

00:02:09.420 So no complaints.

00:02:11.000 How's new motherhood?

00:02:12.420 It is good.

00:02:13.540 You know, breastfeeding is exhausting.

00:02:15.220 So I think I have a nice, bitter place in my heart

00:02:17.920 for people who say they love it.

00:02:19.580 I love breastfeeding.

00:02:20.500 I'm just like, stop.

00:02:21.600 Stop it.

00:02:22.240 No, you don't.

00:02:25.660 I loved it for all the weight it took off of me.

00:02:28.240 Honestly, I shed pounds so easily.

00:02:30.460 I was like, I love this baby even more.

00:02:33.520 Yeah, I think I'll love it.

00:02:34.880 I loved it exactly for that period of time.

00:02:37.300 And now it's just a chore.

00:02:39.580 Well, it's hard when you're working, right?

00:02:41.260 It's so hard when you're working.

00:02:42.400 Because it's like, you know, he's got to make.

00:02:43.660 That's what it is so hard.

00:02:44.660 Yeah.

00:02:45.160 Make the break.

00:02:45.900 And I know it's hard because you just had him in January, right?

00:02:49.800 Yeah.

00:02:50.120 So he's, how old am I?

00:02:51.820 I'm doing my math.

00:02:52.900 Just turned 11 weeks.

00:02:55.200 Okay.

00:02:55.580 So that's tough.

00:02:56.400 I went back after I had my third child.

00:02:58.860 I went back after nine weeks.

00:03:00.640 And can I say it was too early?

00:03:01.740 I, I just felt like that one, that one hurt.

00:03:04.840 He was so little and it just seemed like too early to go back.

00:03:07.780 I did it because we were launching the Kelly file and I know you're launching a new show.

00:03:10.900 So you do what you got to do, but had to do it seven weeks, right?

00:03:14.420 It does.

00:03:14.960 Yeah.

00:03:15.160 I was like, you know what?

00:03:15.840 Seven weeks is, was too fast.

00:03:17.880 Um, but it, it's just hard because you're just trying to, your whole day revolves around

00:03:21.620 your boobs.

00:03:22.060 I mean, it's just like, it's incredible, you know, true, weird, but I want to get, I want

00:03:30.540 to get, I want to get to more of that later, the new show and the new baby, but let's, let's

00:03:34.240 start on, on, uh, speaking of kids on this, uh, good news, Candace, because they're, they're

00:03:40.020 testing the vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine on 12 year olds, 12 to 15 year olds.

00:03:46.640 And they want us to celebrate that it's working really well.

00:03:50.400 And look, I, I like good news about the vaccine in general, but you know where this is going

00:03:55.180 to lead.

00:03:55.680 We are definitely going down a road of you must do it for your kid to get back into school.

00:04:01.860 And this, this is not well tested.

00:04:05.280 I don't want to test it on my kid.

00:04:06.860 I'm not anti-vax.

00:04:07.900 I will definitely take the vaccine against COVID, but I am not giving it to my soon to be

00:04:13.840 12 year old in order for him to return to school.

00:04:17.200 The risks are too low to him of actually getting COVID and the vaccine and its long-term effects

00:04:23.400 are too unknown.

00:04:24.500 What do you think?

00:04:25.980 I completely agree.

00:04:27.380 And it's so funny because when this whole COVID-19 thing broke out, you know, I think

00:04:31.360 I was called a conspiracy theorist in several articles because I had said that it was so

00:04:36.120 obvious to me that this was going to lead to mandatory vaccinations.

00:04:39.800 You know, it was just the way that they were censoring anybody who said anything against

00:04:44.520 the narrative.

00:04:44.920 And I'm talking common sense stuff, like, like you just said, I tweeted this, you know,

00:04:48.600 that it is to me, the concept of putting this vaccine, this vaccine in the arms of children

00:04:55.460 when they have a virtually 0% chance of dying of COVID-19, you know, it's virtually 0%.

00:05:00.720 And this obviously has not gone through long-term trials.

00:05:04.440 So this has been around for a decade and you can say, oh, here's what happened to everybody

00:05:07.880 who got this vaccine 10 years later.

00:05:09.860 You don't know how it's going to impact fertility.

00:05:12.300 You know, imagine giving your child the vaccine and you find out 15 years later that everyone

00:05:17.040 who got that vaccine had fertility issues.

00:05:19.340 I find that to be, as a parent, irresponsible.

00:05:22.420 I tweeted that and they slapped a missing, you know, missing context, misleading label on

00:05:27.740 this on Twitter.

00:05:28.660 And then you follow the misleading link and there's nothing misleading.

00:05:31.120 They just say, oh, well, people, you know, it's been said that this vaccine is safe and

00:05:36.300 effective.

00:05:37.120 And it's like, you did not, you did not actually debunk anything I've said in this tweet, which

00:05:41.500 is that in my opinion, it's irresponsible because kids are fine if they get this virus.

00:05:46.140 You know, there haven't been no children dying of COVID-19.

00:05:50.260 And so it's crazy to me that we're getting into this place where they're, they are going

00:05:54.220 to try to force parents to make this decision.

00:05:56.220 And it's a very critical decision.

00:05:57.720 I certainly will not be amongst the parents that are getting this vaccine for my children.

00:06:02.140 No, me neither.

00:06:03.560 And my kids have been totally vaccinated and all the other fronts.

00:06:06.080 I actually don't love it when parents don't get like the MMR vaccine because it's like,

00:06:09.500 all right, no, we don't want a resurgence of measles.

00:06:11.760 But I understand it's personal choice.

00:06:14.480 But this is like, at least we've had long term studies on those vaccines.

00:06:18.760 We've COVID-19 has only been around a year.

00:06:21.500 So don't let anybody try to tell you that they've done some long term study on it.

00:06:24.960 And like you say, the risk is so low.

00:06:26.520 This is like, to me, this seems like an outcome of the paranoid teachers unions who are continue

00:06:33.340 to push for zero risk.

00:06:34.960 Zero risk is what they say for them to return to the classroom right now, Candace.

00:06:38.380 I just looked it up.

00:06:40.060 Only 50% of schools are back in session full time in person.

00:06:44.340 Still 50% of the nation's schools are either virtual, 100% virtual, or at least half virtual

00:06:52.240 because of these teachers unions who continue to say, zero risk or we don't go back.

00:06:58.500 Well, you know, let me just tell you, Megan, you're going to be so excited to learn.

00:07:01.340 At least they are providing in-person instruction for the migrants at the border.

00:07:06.440 So at least...

00:07:07.980 Wait, is that true?

00:07:09.200 That is 100% true.

00:07:11.880 Yes.

00:07:12.240 What?

00:07:13.680 Yes, there's in-person learning for migrants that are in these centers at the border.

00:07:20.840 Stop it.

00:07:21.220 But there's, I promise, and there's an uproar yesterday on Twitter, you know, because a

00:07:25.240 California parent wrote this.

00:07:27.740 It's like, you know, I'm really glad that they're allowed to have in-person teachers

00:07:31.780 go down for the migrants at the border, but we don't have that for our students here in

00:07:35.680 California.

00:07:36.060 And I just went, how is this real?

00:07:38.260 But yeah, so that's right.

00:07:39.380 And most children are still learning virtually.

00:07:41.180 Even the children that are going in schools, you know, I know a family in New York City,

00:07:45.720 their kids are behind plexiglass and they still have to learn virtually in the classroom.

00:07:50.800 So there's a big screen because there's not actually a teacher and a teacher is instructing.

00:07:55.760 So it's, I mean, it's bizarro land for these, again, very low risk children.

00:08:01.360 That's been one of the things, like at Dalton, which is all about equity.

00:08:05.740 And, you know, there's been a big uproar about that school this year.

00:08:08.160 The parents there who are far left people for the most part.

00:08:10.800 I mean, they finally said, we've had enough with all your crazy critical race theory in

00:08:14.840 every single class, in gym, in art, in health class, all of it.

00:08:20.200 But they, for a long time, maybe still, were only allowing the teachers to teach virtually.

00:08:26.060 And even if the teacher showed up at the building to teach, one parent was telling me the teachers

00:08:30.600 had to go into like a little cubicle and teach from there.

00:08:32.840 They weren't allowed to walk into the classroom with these kids who were in the class ready

00:08:36.140 to learn because it wouldn't be fair to the kids who were sort of dialing in virtually.

00:08:39.980 It's insane.

00:08:41.280 It is.

00:08:41.940 It is insane.

00:08:42.540 And you know what?

00:08:43.020 It is funny because you are correct to hit the fact that this is because of the unions.

00:08:47.100 You've got a bunch of lazy teachers that should have been fired a long time ago, but these

00:08:50.380 unions protect them.

00:08:51.780 And you remember that mass email went out to teachers during spring break saying, don't

00:08:56.320 publish any pictures of you at the beach on spring break because it would look bad,

00:09:00.040 right?

00:09:00.240 So these teachers are happy to go to a beach down in Florida and be around a bunch of adults

00:09:06.180 because Florida is a free state, as I like to say.

00:09:08.480 And they have to be told, don't post it because we just don't want the blowback because we

00:09:12.780 still want to hold the line and not allow these students to come back to school and resume

00:09:16.780 classes as normal.

00:09:18.180 Again, it's laugh out loud to think that a year ago they said two weeks to slow the spread

00:09:22.720 and here we are.

00:09:24.420 Yeah.

00:09:24.780 It's so annoying.

00:09:25.560 It's like I continue to point out whenever we have this discussion, our teacher, you know,

00:09:29.940 we pulled our kids and put them in a new school.

00:09:31.960 Our boys and our daughter is going to go in September.

00:09:34.320 But my son's fifth grade teacher is 65 years old.

00:09:37.440 He's been in the classroom all year.

00:09:39.340 He wears his mask.

00:09:40.280 The kids do social distancing and they wear the masks.

00:09:43.000 Hopefully that'll soon end.

00:09:44.200 But the guy's been there every day.

00:09:45.640 He doesn't complain.

00:09:46.640 And by the way, he's not trying to indoctrinate my kids either.

00:09:49.480 He doesn't get political with them.

00:09:50.740 He says, that's for your parents to do.

00:09:52.220 I'll teach you about civics and how the country works.

00:09:54.680 Amen.

00:09:55.280 Right.

00:09:55.460 The good ones are still out there.

00:09:56.980 But these, you know, the bad apples give them all a bad name.

00:09:59.900 Oh, no way.

00:10:00.240 I want to shift gears because speaking of the southern border, Jim Jordan was pointing out,

00:10:05.440 you speaking of migrants who are getting, you know, the classes, the in-person classes,

00:10:09.740 they don't, of course, need a passport to come across the southern border.

00:10:12.500 But now you are going to get a hard time if you if you want to.

00:10:21.240 Basically, the Democrats are objecting to requiring voter I.D., right?

00:10:25.400 So like in Georgia, there's this big pushback in their voter I.D. requirement.

00:10:28.800 But it's fine for people to come across the southern border with with no papers whatsoever.

00:10:32.440 And they're going to be given in-person classes as soon as they get here.

00:10:35.720 Yeah.

00:10:35.860 I mean, then this is, again, it just it's constantly seen that the Democrats attack law

00:10:40.600 abiding American citizens in favor of people who break laws.

00:10:43.980 Right.

00:10:44.220 So you break into a country, we'll get you a hotel room.

00:10:46.660 Right.

00:10:46.880 They have a budget now where Joe Biden is getting them hotel rooms.

00:10:50.220 And it's a ridiculous amount of money for that.

00:10:53.800 And they get in-person training and teaching for these kids because we have to take care of

00:10:58.580 them at the border while we feel like our children are neglected, the American families

00:11:01.980 are neglected, and there are no solutions for American families that have been out of

00:11:05.300 work.

00:11:05.820 American families are told that COVID-19 is the reason that they can't move around.

00:11:09.060 Not a problem for these people that are coming in, obviously not tested for COVID-19, right?

00:11:14.320 And surging at our border and being allowed into our country.

00:11:18.320 And there seems to be that there's no consequence for that.

00:11:21.000 And, you know, me, I'm married to an Englishman.

00:11:24.260 So our family lives in London.

00:11:27.220 His family lives in London.

00:11:27.980 They have not yet been able to meet my child because they are not allowing people to come

00:11:32.420 in overseas from America.

00:11:34.400 Unless I said that I made the joke to my mother and father-in-law, why don't you guys

00:11:38.280 just take a flight to Mexico and run over the border?

00:11:40.080 Then we'll see you tomorrow, you know?

00:11:43.360 Well, it's crazy because, you know, the Democrats are acting like the judge of voter ID law is literally

00:11:49.020 the reinstatement of Jim Crow requirement.

00:11:51.040 Just like some basic voter ID constraints, which strike the average person is totally

00:11:56.920 reasonable.

00:11:57.720 But the press has portrayed them in a way that's basically you're going to have to be

00:12:00.960 tarred and feathered to go through the voting line.

00:12:03.940 But when you look at what's happening at the border, before we move on to the Georgia, I do

00:12:09.380 want to finish up what's happening on the border.

00:12:10.700 It really is getting progressively disturbing.

00:12:12.920 And it doesn't seem like as we see young children coming across and getting hurt, like thousands

00:12:18.480 of children getting endangered, suddenly the same Democrats who are so upset about it don't

00:12:22.420 seem to care.

00:12:23.520 Now, Biden has stopped construction of the border wall.

00:12:26.560 And Fox News just aired a report with a border agent talking about how the fence is three

00:12:33.580 quarters of the way done in his region.

00:12:35.380 He's like, just let us finish.

00:12:37.020 Because the smugglers are sending groups of asylum seekers, so-called asylum seekers, through

00:12:41.240 these gaps.

00:12:41.940 They overwhelm the agents.

00:12:43.280 As soon as they leave to apprehend one group, another one runs across.

00:12:46.340 And all we hear from the Biden administration is, there's no crisis.

00:12:50.180 It's like Kevin Bacon in an animal house.

00:12:52.600 Remain calm.

00:12:53.620 All is well.

00:12:54.860 And by the way, the Biden administration's second point is, and if there is a crisis,

00:12:58.280 it's all Trump's fault.

00:12:59.600 It's Trump's fault.

00:13:00.960 Which makes no sense.

00:13:02.340 Some of these people are literally carrying Biden flags, you know, because he's made it

00:13:06.360 clear the entire time he was running for president that he's happy to allow people in and that

00:13:11.140 Trump was a horrible, backwards white supremacist xenophobe for not allowing people to break

00:13:15.200 into our country, because that's what they're doing.

00:13:16.800 Countries have laws.

00:13:17.980 I would never dream of just entering Canada without abiding by Canadian laws, making sure

00:13:22.760 I had a passport to enter legally, and I was recognized while I was there.

00:13:25.480 I would never dream of going over to England without recognizing their laws and being respectful

00:13:30.260 to those laws.

00:13:30.840 And so I think the reason that Democrats don't refer to this as a border crisis, because

00:13:35.120 it's for them, it really isn't.

00:13:36.940 You know, I've been speaking publicly for four years, and I have warned Black America that if

00:13:40.680 Democrats ever got power again, you know, they would dilute our votes, and their goal

00:13:46.460 is to import a bunch of new voters, right?

00:13:49.220 So this, to them, is a border plan.

00:13:50.800 It allows them to really present to these migrants, we are the heroes, we're going to

00:13:55.220 get you everything you need.

00:13:56.460 This is the, you know, the connection is not wanting voter ID laws, right?

00:13:59.520 Allow these migrants to vote and bank on them voting for Democrats to keep their party

00:14:04.060 in power.

00:14:04.540 So to them, this is much more Machiavellian, and they're not even feigning shock or surprise,

00:14:11.320 and they don't want any cameras down there, because this is how they intended for things

00:14:15.940 to go under a Biden administration.

00:14:18.040 That's the thing.

00:14:18.760 So it's like, it's all tied together, right?

00:14:20.400 So you and I are going to have to get vaccine passports, digital vaccine passports.

00:14:26.240 It's another thing that Biden administration is considering for adults.

00:14:30.720 And our kids may have to prove that they've been vaccinated in order to go to school.

00:14:35.660 But immigrants can run across the border where we refuse to finish the fence because

00:14:41.400 Biden has basically welcomed them.

00:14:43.460 I mean, that's essentially what the Mexican president is saying.

00:14:45.800 They're running up there because you gave them the impression they would be let in.

00:14:49.620 That's no problem.

00:14:50.420 Then when they get here and they try to vote illegally, which does happen, we're going

00:14:54.680 to be told that we're all racist if we require them to show any ID, right?

00:14:58.540 You see like the circle and how absurd it is.

00:15:01.760 Yeah, it's absurd.

00:15:02.760 And it's a brilliant plan at the same time, right?

00:15:05.480 You know, demographics can change the vote.

00:15:07.780 And this is what they're looking to do.

00:15:09.200 They're looking to alter demographics in this country.

00:15:11.640 And like I said, this will further dilute the black vote.

00:15:14.260 So if you're talking about racism, which seems to be their favorite catchphrase, everything

00:15:18.180 is racist, right?

00:15:19.640 Well, what's more racist than saying to black Americans who are actually American citizens

00:15:25.060 is that your vote is going to matter less because we're importing a new class of minority

00:15:29.420 voters and we're giving them handouts the same way that we gave you handouts, you know,

00:15:33.680 when they implemented all the welfarism in the 1960s in the civil rights era.

00:15:38.780 And they said, you know, they married black Americans to the government and they really

00:15:42.520 converted black Americans into dedicated Democrat voters that way.

00:15:46.400 And that's why it's been that way for six decades.

00:15:48.880 But they need more voters.

00:15:50.260 Black Americans are 13% of the population.

00:15:52.340 And I really do believe that they're going to implement that same strategy to Hispanic

00:15:56.680 Americans, give them tons of handouts, welfare programs and say, oh, the evil Republicans

00:16:02.020 are going to take these away if you don't vote for us.

00:16:03.760 Here's how you can vote.

00:16:04.660 There's no voter ID laws.

00:16:06.460 You know, sign up, vote for me.

00:16:07.900 And that gives me the crystal clear plan.

00:16:10.680 It's it's I mean, when they're talking about, you know, D.C.

00:16:14.120 statehood and allowing all these immigrants to come across the border and then we're not

00:16:18.360 allowed to question them to produce IDs if they try to vote.

00:16:20.920 Right. Or if they if we actually enforce our voter ID laws, that's them were racist.

00:16:25.260 I mean, you can see they're obviously looking for votes.

00:16:27.400 I mean, Ann Coulter, for all the shit she's taken, she's been saying this forever.

00:16:30.920 Like this is a massive scheme to increase Democrat voters.

00:16:35.560 And if you don't understand that, you haven't you haven't been paying attention to the Democrats

00:16:40.200 pretty open plans on this issue for for a lot of years.

00:16:43.320 And I do think that the vote there, they're very loud objections to these voter ID laws

00:16:48.280 like the one we're seeing now in Georgia.

00:16:50.500 It's all tied.

00:16:51.840 It's all tied in.

00:16:52.800 And so is the media messaging on it, Candace.

00:16:55.280 We heard Media Research Center, who I love.

00:16:58.040 That's Brent, Brent Bazzell's group.

00:17:00.480 They're sort of, you know, fair and balanced.

00:17:02.100 They keep an eye on the media.

00:17:03.560 They did a great mashup of what we heard in the press this week about Georgia's new voter

00:17:09.140 ID law.

00:17:09.920 Take a listen to the themes we're hearing.

00:17:12.040 We're watching the big lie turn into voter suppression before our very eyes.

00:17:16.540 How do you at the DNC plan to contend with the voter suppression efforts that we're now

00:17:21.320 seeing across the country?

00:17:22.560 States across the country race to enact laws to suppress voting.

00:17:25.760 Is this all voter suppression in action?

00:17:29.620 Extraordinary surge of voter suppression laws.

00:17:32.600 There's a huge wave of new voter suppression efforts.

00:17:35.020 Republican voter suppression efforts.

00:17:37.000 Massive voter suppression.

00:17:38.700 Sweeping new voter suppression law in Georgia.

00:17:40.760 Georgia's Jim Crow voter suppression law.

00:17:43.020 The broadest attempt to make it more difficult for Americans to vote since the Jim Crow era,

00:17:47.140 before the Voting Rights Act.

00:17:48.480 What is obviously a racist policy of trying to suppress the votes of non-white voters.

00:17:54.080 Obviously racist.

00:17:55.600 Obviously, Candace.

00:17:56.580 The Georgia law is put in place by a bunch of racists who are basically wanting to go back to the time of billy clubs and fire hoses.

00:18:07.040 Yeah.

00:18:07.220 And you have to appreciate this, especially coming out of the mouths of Democrats who were the people that implemented racism from the times of slavery.

00:18:13.620 You know, Jim Crow laws.

00:18:14.480 That was the Democrats.

00:18:15.180 The longest filibuster ever in Congress.

00:18:17.080 That was the Democrats, actually.

00:18:19.060 Not even just the Democrats, but Joe Biden's mentor, you know, Robert Byrd, who was the Grand Cyclops, the exalted Cyclops in the Ku Klux Klan.

00:18:29.480 He was a part of the longest filibuster ever to stop black Americans from receiving civil rights.

00:18:33.440 But they assume that black Americans have a short memory because they are not teaching that history.

00:18:38.520 And Democrats have always been behind the suppression and the racism of black Americans.

00:18:42.700 They just learned a new trick, which is that what the Democrats do is they essentially call everything racist that they want black Americans to attack.

00:18:50.920 And so they expect us to react emotionally and not to think rationally about what they're saying.

00:18:55.620 If you think rationally about what the Democrats are saying by calling this a form of voter suppression or calling this racist and trying to refer to this as Jim Crow, you will realize that what they're saying is that black Americans are too dumb to get ID.

00:19:07.820 I don't know a single black American, been black my whole life, Megan, have not skipped even one day being black.

00:19:13.580 I don't know a single black American who does not have a form of ID because you can't do anything without ID, right?

00:19:18.480 You can't buy liquor, cigarettes.

00:19:21.780 You can't rent a car.

00:19:22.880 You can't rent a hotel.

00:19:24.260 You can't open a bank account.

00:19:25.740 Megan.

00:19:26.200 So, I mean, are black Americans walking around like meanderthals?

00:19:28.480 I mean, they literally have never traveled, never been on a plane, you know, I mean, and have done absolutely nothing their entire lives because we just can't figure out how to Google DMV.

00:19:36.800 Like, I mean, is that really what the Democrats think, that we're that stupid?

00:19:39.900 And the answer is yes.

00:19:41.200 They do think that we're that stupid, but they know that what they're saying is foolish.

00:19:44.520 They think that we're stupid and emotional enough, which is, again, you know, unrelated but perfectly related, why critical race theory is now being taught down the pipeline.

00:19:52.900 Because critical race theory ensures that black Americans become increasingly more emotional to the word racism, right?

00:19:59.480 And so we react to racism so quickly that we don't think clearly and they don't want us to think clearly.

00:20:04.080 Again, they want a reactive group of individuals.

00:20:06.920 And that is what they're doing with this Georgia law.

00:20:09.040 They want us to react to the word racist.

00:20:10.620 There is no racism here.

00:20:11.980 It's common sense.

00:20:13.160 You need ID to do everything in this country.

00:20:15.380 And black Americans are smart enough to get ID.

00:20:18.020 Yeah.

00:20:18.200 Critical race theory.

00:20:18.980 I mean, it's definitely the underlying message is that blacks actually are second class citizens, that they're they just don't have the skills to make it in a white man's world.

00:20:27.920 And so we're going to have to bend all the rules and lower the standards for black people to compete.

00:20:32.280 I mean, it's unbelievably insulting.

00:20:34.800 And and just to but just to go back onto what the law actually says, because at first I was on vacation.

00:20:40.320 I wasn't really paying attention.

00:20:41.400 Then I took a hard look at it.

00:20:42.380 And by the way, Rich Lowry at National Review has a great piece on this, which I'm looking at now.

00:20:48.620 So you have to write your driver's license number on your absentee ballot envelope.

00:20:54.320 OK, the new law expands weekend voting.

00:20:58.920 The new law limits ballot drop boxes to places they can't be tampered with.

00:21:04.120 Those are a new thing anyways.

00:21:05.260 In the wake of covid, they're just making sure you can't mess with it and sort of create voter fraud that the you have to provide a driver's license or a state ID number to apply for a ballot.

00:21:14.020 And then you have to provide one of those numbers when you're returning the ballot.

00:21:17.340 But and then the thing that's made all the news is you can't distribute food.

00:21:24.180 It bans people from distributing food or drink to voters who are standing in line.

00:21:28.020 And that's the thing.

00:21:29.180 Joe Biden keeps like, oh, my God, what kind of a state would ban the distribution of food or water to voters standing in these long lines?

00:21:37.300 It's obviously an attempt to suppress the vote.

00:21:39.160 And when I heard first or that, I was like, oh, that is bad that they shouldn't do that.

00:21:43.560 But it's B.S.

00:21:44.620 It only bans the partisans who are basically like, how would you like a cookie in a water?

00:21:51.260 Isn't Biden amazing?

00:21:52.660 They're trying to prevent the partisans from going.

00:21:54.920 But they are allowing the poll workers to provide food and drink for general use.

00:21:59.300 So that's a lie, too.

00:22:02.620 Right.

00:22:02.980 Right.

00:22:03.360 And they want to be.

00:22:03.960 And that's exactly right.

00:22:05.060 They're trying to avoid the the intimidation that happens at the polls where people are going around trying to influence the vote.

00:22:11.440 And that and by the way, even saying that, you know, not providing food and water.

00:22:16.040 I mean, I even been insulted by that.

00:22:17.880 I don't think it's really the responsibility of anybody but themselves to figure out if this is going to be a long line.

00:22:22.100 I'm not the news in part.

00:22:23.080 Do we need to pack sandwiches?

00:22:24.300 We need to pack water.

00:22:25.380 I mean, you're not it's not like these lines are 16 hours long.

00:22:28.280 You know what I mean?

00:22:28.760 So we need to even put that into context.

00:22:30.640 Like, I mean, I don't I mean, I walked in and I voted and I live in a major.

00:22:35.060 I lived in a major city in D.C.

00:22:36.360 And I went at the end of the day and I'm telling you, I think I was in and out of there in 15 minutes.

00:22:41.200 Right.

00:22:41.340 I'm a big girl.

00:22:42.040 If I if I think I need to get water and I say, you know what, this I can look outside and say this line's really long right now.

00:22:46.960 I'm going to go grab some water, grab a snack.

00:22:48.760 So even that this is like this is coddling of the American the American person.

00:22:53.560 Like, where are you going to the DMV?

00:22:55.120 There are long lines.

00:22:56.120 I mean, there are long lines all around America.

00:22:58.100 Long lines are not a form of abuse.

00:23:00.540 You know, you decide whether or not you want to go into this line.

00:23:03.300 If this is a good time for you to go on the line, there's so many other things you can do.

00:23:06.800 You know, like like we were just talking about, you can vote on a different day.

00:23:10.000 You can vote early.

00:23:11.380 You can request if you have the means or you need it to have an absentee ballot.

00:23:16.220 So even that is a form of bigotry of low expectations.

00:23:19.120 Like we just don't know how to feed ourselves if there's a line.

00:23:21.600 You know, it's reminding me of when I covered the inauguration of Barack Obama in January 2009.

00:23:26.620 It was a freezing cold day and I was actually out on the National Mall for Fox.

00:23:31.160 And people, of course, were so excited.

00:23:33.780 And especially black voters were there in droves to cheer him on and celebrate his victory.

00:23:39.020 And I interviewed so many people out on the National Mall that day.

00:23:41.800 And I there's this one clip that went viral.

00:23:45.760 It was so fun.

00:23:46.500 We all loved it of me speaking with these two.

00:23:49.280 I don't know if I'd say older, but let's say 60s black women who had on these big, big puffy coats.

00:23:56.660 And they opened up their coats because I'm like, how are you going to make it to this day?

00:23:59.540 It's a long wait.

00:24:00.120 You had to get there at the crack of dawn and then just wait all day.

00:24:02.580 And they opened up their coats, Candace, and it's like she's pulling out.

00:24:08.000 I mean, it was like, you know, the magic box that we used to see on that.

00:24:11.580 Oh, what was that show when I was a kid?

00:24:12.940 I can't remember.

00:24:13.560 Anyway, it was like bottles of water and a ham sandwich and crackers and cookies.

00:24:20.120 And like people understand how to provide for themselves if they're going to be standing outside for a long time.

00:24:27.360 Yes.

00:24:27.720 I lived in New York freezing cold day.

00:24:29.280 These people were wrapped around like 18 blocks waiting for Justin Bieber tickets.

00:24:33.420 You know what I mean?

00:24:33.960 People had mattresses, mattresses laying outside from Justin Bieber tickets.

00:24:37.960 I mean, think about Friday.

00:24:39.920 What is the Friday before Thanksgiving?

00:24:42.580 Black Friday, right?

00:24:43.760 When people are wrapped around lines and lines for a big screen TV, you know, from Best Buy.

00:24:50.400 And so it's like, you'll be shocked at how crafty people can be when they actually want something.

00:24:55.780 Right.

00:24:55.940 And so this idea that suddenly it's like, oh, my gosh, people just don't know how to do this.

00:24:59.480 It's just complete BS.

00:25:01.060 And I refuse to be into that nonsense.

00:25:03.280 Black Americans, all Americans are capable of making sure they are taken care of if they do encounter a long line, which is not the standard.

00:25:11.200 It's not like there are tons of long lines everywhere.

00:25:14.080 You know, on voting day, there are some.

00:25:16.500 Absolutely.

00:25:16.860 But we're not talking about 24 hours standing in line here and here in New York.

00:25:21.440 They'll wait all day just to get a Magnolia cupcake, which is delicious.

00:25:25.040 But by the way, there's a sister company to Magnolia.

00:25:27.420 I mean, a sister like shop called Billy's and there's never a line at Billy's.

00:25:30.960 And it's exactly the same thing.

00:25:32.200 So there you go.

00:25:33.400 I mean, lines for everything.

00:25:35.520 You know what I mean?

00:25:36.840 That's an insider tip.

00:25:38.140 But now, meanwhile, Biden is calling for Major League Baseball to move the All-Star game from Georgia.

00:25:45.140 That's that's what he was pushing for.

00:25:46.480 And basically suggesting that Georgia be boycotted for passing a law with which he disagrees or at least is saying that he disagrees in order to pacify his base.

00:25:56.240 So so much for the unity and the healing.

00:25:59.320 Right.

00:25:59.540 He's going to be president for every state.

00:26:01.080 He's going to except for the purple ones that want to enforce voter ID laws.

00:26:05.660 I mean, he's he's a partisan hack.

00:26:07.480 And look, the rich irony of that is that California is no longer the home of movie making.

00:26:12.120 Georgia is.

00:26:12.720 Atlanta is because people got tired of the taxes in California.

00:26:16.240 Now they're not making movies there for him to even say that.

00:26:19.420 It's just it's so disturbing.

00:26:20.960 It's so disturbing that you're literally doing something that ensures that our elections in the future have integrity.

00:26:27.040 And the Democrats are opposed to that.

00:26:29.060 And it makes you wonder.

00:26:30.340 Right.

00:26:30.520 These are the Democrats that said there was absolutely no voter fraud.

00:26:34.120 Right.

00:26:34.340 Everything was above bar.

00:26:35.700 I mean, everything was just done perfectly.

00:26:39.220 Right.

00:26:39.580 We Joe Biden really is the most popular president of all time.

00:26:43.240 He's got 80 million plus votes more popular than Barack Obama was.

00:26:46.840 Well, so what are they what are they so fearful of?

00:26:49.380 Wouldn't they want another totally above board election process?

00:26:53.420 Right.

00:26:53.660 So it just kind of it makes you wonder.

00:26:57.840 Yeah, no, you're exactly right.

00:26:59.880 And, you know, we'll we'll see what happens with with all that.

00:27:03.180 But one of the things I was thinking about was, you know, CNN is based in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:27:07.040 They're going to leave.

00:27:08.360 They're they're into partisanship.

00:27:10.180 Right.

00:27:10.440 They are active partisans.

00:27:11.800 Now, are they are they going to take a stand?

00:27:13.620 They're going to move everybody up here to New York.

00:27:15.980 That's a great question.

00:27:17.240 Let's start with CNN.

00:27:18.480 We'll follow CNN.

00:27:20.860 Coming up in one second, we're going to get into the latest nonsense over at CNN, which

00:27:25.260 thought it would be a good idea to send out an article reminding us.

00:27:29.980 And I quote, it's not possible to know a person's gender identity at birth.

00:27:35.360 And there is no consensus criteria for assigning sex at birth.

00:27:40.360 There isn't there isn't there isn't.

00:27:43.020 We'll talk about it.

00:27:44.160 But first this.

00:27:47.240 Did you see their thing, their article they tweeted out saying the thing about gender

00:27:55.300 identity is saying it's not it's this is a quote.

00:27:58.080 It's not possible to know a person's gender identity at birth.

00:28:02.740 What the hell?

00:28:03.900 Right.

00:28:04.080 Like now it's not possible.

00:28:06.560 What?

00:28:06.820 Like there were all these responsive tweets online saying, why don't you just look below

00:28:09.660 the waist?

00:28:10.380 I don't know, Candace, how did you figure out you had a boy?

00:28:13.140 Right.

00:28:13.820 We seem to be going backwards.

00:28:15.240 But I will say this, it seems more and more that what they're after is really just like

00:28:19.740 there's something so misogynistic about this attempt to erase women and what it means to

00:28:24.560 be a woman.

00:28:25.040 And increasingly with this transgendered movement and saying, you know, men now biological men

00:28:31.100 or just men need to be allowed into women's sports.

00:28:35.420 And that even saying the word female has become a form of bigotry in a lot of places.

00:28:40.920 And and saying that allowing children to pick their genders, which in my opinion is a form

00:28:44.600 of child abuse, that children shouldn't be allowed to pick anything on even their own

00:28:47.620 dinner, right?

00:28:48.320 Because if they were allowed to pick their own dinner, they'd be eating sugar and sweets

00:28:52.700 and snacks every single day for dinner because they are not their brains are immature.

00:28:56.920 There's a reason we are adults and there's a reason that they are children.

00:29:00.260 And so, yeah, this entire LBGT.

00:29:03.920 And I know that there's longer letters that have been slapped on to the acronym.

00:29:07.000 This movement has become really harmful.

00:29:09.160 Yeah, I stopped remembering after the tea.

00:29:12.460 But, you know, it has become so harmful.

00:29:14.920 And it does seem to me that the focus really does seem to be on trying to transform children.

00:29:19.960 And it's very sinister.

00:29:21.360 It's very evil.

00:29:23.380 I know I have to say it's like I'm fine if you if you don't identify with your biological

00:29:29.340 sex, I will respect that.

00:29:30.980 That's not for me to interfere with.

00:29:32.800 But you don't get to tell me that there is that biological sex doesn't exist and that

00:29:38.020 it's not possible to understand it at birth.

00:29:40.980 Right.

00:29:41.420 It's like that it's all gone too far.

00:29:44.320 And there was just an article about what's happening in Great Britain.

00:29:46.620 Well, guess what?

00:29:47.000 It's happening here, too, where the medical community is being shamed for saying breastfeeding.

00:29:52.440 Like you may you may not be aware, Candice, you're not breastfeeding, you're chest feeding.

00:29:56.960 If you don't say chest feeding, you're being disrespectful, disrespectful of the trans community.

00:30:02.520 And it's like, well, fuck you.

00:30:04.680 I have breasts.

00:30:05.800 It's the fact that you may not want to call it that doesn't change what is sometimes a

00:30:11.560 sweet, loving, nurturing, hideous, horrible, painful activity between me and my baby.

00:30:16.500 Right.

00:30:16.980 And that's why I say it's alienating.

00:30:19.380 It's misogynistic, though, right?

00:30:20.720 Like there's nothing that makes us women.

00:30:21.960 I'm like, you know, did you have a child?

00:30:23.440 Were you pregnant for nine months?

00:30:24.400 Did you push a child out?

00:30:25.860 And you're going to tell me that there's nothing that makes me different from a man.

00:30:28.260 You know, you don't get the right to do that.

00:30:29.740 And so to me, it just it's astonishing because especially in the era of rabid feminism that

00:30:36.020 we live in today, right, where women are screaming about their rights and marching in pussy hats

00:30:41.220 and, oh, my gosh, if Trump's president, women are going to be sent backwards and all these

00:30:45.660 things.

00:30:45.900 Well, what is this?

00:30:46.900 You want to talk about the patriarchy?

00:30:48.360 Well, the patriarchy is put on a wig and called itself a woman.

00:30:50.680 And now you're boxing out women, you know, in so many different areas of life.

00:30:55.500 And I have been very strongly vocally against this for the last four years.

00:31:00.440 And again, the scariest element of it now is they seem to be preying on children.

00:31:04.960 You know, when you take a course now at the university level, they want you to list your

00:31:08.420 pronouns.

00:31:09.240 When you in elementary schools in California, they're trying to say that they can tell children

00:31:14.320 that they can pick their genders while they're in school.

00:31:16.440 Right.

00:31:16.800 And they don't have to tell the parent because that child should be protected under LBGT rights.

00:31:21.460 So it's like telling your guidance counselor that you're gay.

00:31:23.960 You don't have to tell the parent because of some laws in California.

00:31:27.200 But yeah, it's becoming a part of the curriculum to say, Sarah, do you do you sometimes feel

00:31:32.460 like Tyler and asking all these questions?

00:31:34.800 And it's really confusing children.

00:31:36.420 Children trust adults.

00:31:38.080 You know, children are trying to understand the world.

00:31:40.280 When a child comes up to you and says, oh, look, you know, like for me, Megan, I was a

00:31:45.140 total tomboy, mind you.

00:31:46.800 Three years.

00:31:47.580 All I wanted to do when I was known, I was going to be a boy.

00:31:49.960 I just like I know I thought they had more fun.

00:31:52.460 I spoke with the deeper acts and I wore baggy pants.

00:31:54.800 Well, thank goodness I grew up during the 90s where my mom didn't shave my head and call

00:31:59.340 me Michael because it was trendy.

00:32:01.200 Right.

00:32:01.700 Because, you know, what happened was I grew up, I went through puberty and suddenly those

00:32:05.140 boys that I wanted to hang out with and be became cute to me.

00:32:08.340 You know, that's right.

00:32:09.780 Can I say now you're an Uncle Tom boy?

00:32:12.420 Yeah.

00:32:15.920 I love that.

00:32:18.520 You're going to laugh at this, Candace.

00:32:20.020 I have Larry Elder, who I know you love on the show.

00:32:22.940 Yeah.

00:32:23.360 And we talked all about the movie Uncle Tom, in which you are a star.

00:32:25.880 And I guess like it's a thank you.

00:32:28.880 He sent me his team, sent me a bunch of Uncle Tom like merch, including including like Uncle

00:32:33.300 Tom T-shirts.

00:32:34.240 And I was saying to Abby, my assistant, can you imagine if I wore this around New York

00:32:38.140 City?

00:32:40.540 Larry Elder is just he's one of the most wonderful human beings.

00:32:43.940 So intelligent.

00:32:44.660 He's been a mentor to me.

00:32:45.660 And it is true.

00:32:47.020 You know, it's just astonishing to think of just the times that we live in today.

00:32:51.420 And I try to tell Sue, I did an event last night, actually, at a university here in Nashville.

00:32:55.880 I just want these kids to know it wasn't like this even 10 years ago.

00:33:00.040 But this country has radically transformed the idea that these children have to list their

00:33:04.760 pronouns in every class that they take, the concept of critical race theory.

00:33:08.760 I mean, I never thought about the skin color of people in my class.

00:33:12.240 We weren't taught to hate white people or to see oppression, to see my own oppression

00:33:16.360 everywhere.

00:33:17.700 Right.

00:33:17.900 So it was equality.

00:33:19.340 Right.

00:33:19.580 I was just another student.

00:33:21.140 And they don't.

00:33:21.600 That is true equality when they're not treating you like you're something special, when they're

00:33:26.020 not telling you that you're oppressed or privileged.

00:33:28.060 Megan, my child is biracial.

00:33:29.660 Does that make him half privileged or half oppressed?

00:33:31.720 I mean, what is he going to do in this world?

00:33:34.300 No, you got to lean into victimology, whatever the victim is.

00:33:36.940 That's what you got to lean into.

00:33:38.440 And who knows?

00:33:39.860 Soon, soon it may be really unclear which side that is.

00:33:42.360 I don't, you know, like based on what I'm hearing.

00:33:44.000 But on the pronouns front, did you see the that the actress Sarah Paulson?

00:33:50.180 You know her?

00:33:50.840 She's she's a lesbian.

00:33:52.060 She's with my favorite actress from the show, The Practice from the 1990s, whose name I don't

00:33:57.960 know offhand, but she's beautiful and she's older and she's really cool.

00:34:01.300 Anyway, they're together.

00:34:03.080 So Sarah Paulson got harassed by somebody because, you know, now it's not enough for you to be supportive

00:34:08.180 of people who are, you know, choosing a different gender identity.

00:34:13.220 Holland Taylor.

00:34:13.880 That's her name.

00:34:14.920 It's not enough.

00:34:15.700 Now you must you must list your pronouns or you're considered transphobic.

00:34:19.660 So Sarah Paulson was told by some rando on Twitter to put her pronouns in her Twitter

00:34:24.620 bio.

00:34:25.480 And she just responded like, it's not for you to tell me what to do.

00:34:28.940 Right.

00:34:29.380 Like deeply offensive.

00:34:30.920 Oh, I mean, the mob was unleashed on her.

00:34:33.100 People are calling for her to be canceled.

00:34:34.700 She's the star of American Horror Story.

00:34:36.860 She's transphobic.

00:34:37.880 She's a TERF.

00:34:38.820 That's trans exclusionary radical feminist.

00:34:41.060 And I don't even know who's in that group anymore because even Gloria Steinem came out.

00:34:44.460 She's supposed to be our number one feminist.

00:34:46.840 And that's and she totally is for women just as long as they're liberal.

00:34:50.760 She came out and was like in support of all the pronouns and the children being able to

00:34:54.840 choose.

00:34:55.320 And, you know, Abigail Schreier was calling her a turncoat.

00:34:58.840 Anyway, now you have to do it.

00:35:01.200 If you refuse to say your pronouns, even if it's perfectly clear what you are, what sex

00:35:06.020 you are, you're you're phobic, you're transphobic.

00:35:09.500 Yeah, I mean, they've been calling me transphobic a few years because I refuse to play that game.

00:35:12.940 And it really goes back to what you said about I am if you have gender dysphoria, which gender

00:35:17.540 dysphoria, by the way, is legally listed as a psychiatric disorder in the DSM in the DSM

00:35:22.880 five, any psychiatric disorder to me.

00:35:25.940 If you have that, you know, God bless you.

00:35:27.820 I, you know, I hope that you are treated fairly no matter no matter what room you walk

00:35:32.500 into.

00:35:32.840 We would never want to see these people attacked or treated differently because they have a

00:35:37.000 psychiatric disorder.

00:35:37.860 Right.

00:35:38.200 We want a world that's kind.

00:35:40.320 But then when you require that as a part of your psychiatric disorder, I have to pretend

00:35:44.320 I have one.

00:35:45.320 Right.

00:35:45.560 So you walk into the room and you're and you're schizophrenic, Megan, and then you think,

00:35:49.900 you know, that I'm a tiger that I have to then roar and pretend that I'm a tiger.

00:35:53.680 No, I don't play that game.

00:35:55.200 Right.

00:35:55.440 So I have to kind of acknowledge that you're actually a biological male and I have to pretend

00:36:00.460 that there's no differences.

00:36:01.640 And the way I have to pretend is by using, by the way, grammatically incorrect words like

00:36:05.980 they, them, call you they, like, you know, they got the babies.

00:36:09.560 Can I tell you the they, them thing upsets me?

00:36:11.320 That one's taken.

00:36:12.220 That pronoun is taken.

00:36:13.200 I majored in English.

00:36:13.920 Exactly.

00:36:14.500 It's confusing.

00:36:16.080 You can't make me do this.

00:36:17.200 Like, it's just it's really wrong.

00:36:19.160 But they don't care.

00:36:20.000 They don't care to teach people how to be right.

00:36:22.940 They care that people feel good.

00:36:26.160 And this is what the education system has become.

00:36:28.340 And I just actually covered this in my most recent episode, which was inside the education

00:36:32.960 system in America, is that the education system is obsessed with making kids feel good,

00:36:37.740 even though they know nothing.

00:36:38.820 Right.

00:36:38.980 So you don't know how to put together a proper sentence.

00:36:41.600 You're using words like they to describe a singular person that they don't care because

00:36:46.000 as long as you feel good and your self-esteem feels good, there's actually never been a

00:36:49.780 time in America.

00:36:50.480 This is a very interesting fact.

00:36:52.140 There's never been a time in America where we have had more degrees and yet kids are actually

00:36:57.000 getting dumber.

00:36:57.860 According to standard test scores, we've never had this many dumb kids with so many degrees.

00:37:02.400 Why are we handing out degrees in categories like you can now get a, you can get a degree in

00:37:07.000 social justice.

00:37:07.660 You can get a bachelor's degree in social justice.

00:37:10.120 You can get a bachelor's degree in Latin X.

00:37:12.860 Again, something, Megan, that did not exist 10 years ago.

00:37:15.800 Okay.

00:37:16.240 Well, I don't know what Latinx is, Megan.

00:37:18.140 I don't know what it is.

00:37:18.720 I don't either.

00:37:19.200 But I do know that every romance language, you would have to radically transform the entire

00:37:23.380 language because everything is either a male or a female in Spanish, right?

00:37:28.060 La mesa is the table.

00:37:29.660 You cannot just say that the Spanish language no longer exists because you're so woke, right?

00:37:34.360 So you can get a degree, Megan, in Latinx studies.

00:37:38.920 Now, what the hell are you going to do with a degree, a master's degree, a bachelor's degree

00:37:44.020 in Latinx studies?

00:37:45.260 I'll tell you what you're going to do, Megan.

00:37:46.360 You're going to become a failure.

00:37:47.580 You're not going to make any money.

00:37:48.860 You're going to become bitter and angry at the world because the education system told

00:37:52.200 you that you knew so much.

00:37:53.420 And yet you can't even make as much money as the guy who didn't go to school, but knows

00:37:57.500 how to fix an AC because he has real skills.

00:38:00.480 The plumber is going to make more money and you're going to think you're so above these

00:38:03.140 people because you spent your whole life being told by teachers that you're amazing and you're

00:38:07.400 woke and you're brilliant.

00:38:08.180 But in reality, you know nothing.

00:38:11.380 Yeah.

00:38:11.940 And now we're leaning into knowing nothing and trying to sort of say it's the system's fault.

00:38:16.880 If you don't understand anything and you can't compete because you're actually not

00:38:20.760 trying that hard or, you know, you don't understand that despite whatever disadvantages

00:38:24.340 life has dealt you, there is a way forward.

00:38:26.620 Look at there's so many examples of it.

00:38:28.300 I mean, I was tweeting recently about Ben Carson.

00:38:30.700 He's one that comes to mind.

00:38:32.240 Single mom, dad abandoned them, had a second family, had no money.

00:38:36.620 Mom couldn't read, found his way out because the message in his family was personal

00:38:40.580 responsibility, personal responsibility.

00:38:42.680 And now, of course, it's all it's the system's fault.

00:38:45.320 And just just the other day, there was a cartoon.

00:38:48.760 I don't know if you saw this going around online.

00:38:50.180 It was sent out by Jamal Bowman in New York.

00:38:54.540 And his his words were and he's he's black.

00:38:57.600 His words were our our education system and the problem was standardized testing.

00:39:02.560 And the cartoon that he tweeted to show our the problem was standardized testing shows a

00:39:08.320 teacher sitting outside at a desk.

00:39:10.260 And in front of him are a monkey, an elephant, a penguin, a goldfish, a seal, a dog, a bird,

00:39:19.700 also standing in front of a tree.

00:39:21.120 And he says, for a fair selection, everybody has to take the same exam.

00:39:26.620 Please climb that tree.

00:39:28.000 So so if you don't if you don't do well in math or social studies, it's basically analogous

00:39:36.620 to a goldfish not being able to climb a tree.

00:39:39.380 And it's it's once again that his message is that minorities, black students, that's the

00:39:45.340 implication here.

00:39:46.360 They just can't do it.

00:39:48.100 They're they're being asked to do things they can't do.

00:39:51.440 And you know what I will say, I used to hold the position that systemic racism doesn't

00:39:55.600 exist because there's nothing stopping me from doing anything in society that you can

00:39:59.720 do as a white woman.

00:40:01.100 But actually, I've changed my mind.

00:40:02.480 I think systemic racism does exist because of what you just talked about is systemic racism.

00:40:07.200 They're systematically teaching black kids nothing right but emotional learning and at the same

00:40:13.660 time giving them fake accolades, fake awards, fake degrees.

00:40:16.740 And so what they're actually doing is intentionally dumbing down an entire group of people, right?

00:40:22.940 When kids are going into school and they're not learning hard academics and they're saying

00:40:26.200 that standardized test doesn't even matter when you're saying some affirmative action,

00:40:29.400 which is a fundamentally racist policy, right?

00:40:33.120 So you just put you into school.

00:40:34.560 You don't have to take standardized tests.

00:40:35.620 You're just going to pass you.

00:40:36.820 In California, there's there.

00:40:38.600 They're proposing that teachers should no longer fail black students that don't show up,

00:40:43.020 right?

00:40:43.160 So they're no longer allowed to suspend or fail black students that don't show up.

00:40:46.500 Well, what the hell is going to happen to these black students, Megan, when they get out

00:40:50.440 into the real world and they've just been handed A's on the basis of being black their

00:40:54.020 entire lives?

00:40:55.000 What's going to happen when they enter the free market to society?

00:40:57.240 They're going to become systematically produced failures, right?

00:41:01.460 So if you're looking for systemic racism, it exists in these concepts of seeing these fake

00:41:06.760 concepts of seeing white supremacy everywhere.

00:41:08.460 It exists in critical race theory, which is mass producing failures.

00:41:13.020 That's interesting.

00:41:13.880 You know, I mean, I used to think, Candace, that they would fail.

00:41:17.540 People who continue to tell the message, you know, embrace the message of like the system

00:41:21.800 has to bend to to help me, somebody who maybe is disadvantaged, maybe doesn't, you know,

00:41:26.960 whatever, doesn't try as hard.

00:41:27.940 Who knows?

00:41:28.280 But for whatever reason, sees themselves as a victim of the system that that eventually

00:41:32.800 the system will eat that person, because if they just lean into their victimhood and

00:41:36.240 say, I'm not empowered to do anything to change my life, it doesn't usually end well

00:41:40.260 for them.

00:41:40.640 But it does seem like things are changing now to where the people who work hard, the

00:41:46.100 people who are trying, who over even minorities who overcome some of these challenges, they'll

00:41:53.480 wind up on the short end because you can put all that work into bettering yourself and still

00:41:58.180 be told, no, we're going to pay Irum X.

00:42:01.100 Kendi millions of dollars a year to spew this nonsense.

00:42:04.880 And he can make something of his previously useful, useless degree, right?

00:42:09.520 Like suddenly your Latin X degree is worth something because the school systems are willing

00:42:13.520 to pay you hundreds of thousands of dollars to spew that nonsense here.

00:42:16.700 And you can get into these great positions if you if you toe the narrative.

00:42:20.880 The only career path is to become a professor, right, at a university and teach the same nonsense

00:42:25.100 that you learned from the generation.

00:42:26.380 But that's only so many jobs, right?

00:42:28.380 So you get you get a professional.

00:42:30.200 Yeah.

00:42:30.760 A person at a school, maybe run for Congress and end up like AOC.

00:42:34.680 You know, and spew nonsense like that.

00:42:37.020 That's very limited career opportunities.

00:42:38.800 At the end of the day, the majority of these people are going to become failures because

00:42:41.820 no one's going to pay them to come in and teach them about Latin X studies.

00:42:45.420 No one's going to come in and say, oh, you have a degree in gender studies.

00:42:48.800 Like, I mean, what does that get you?

00:42:50.320 There's two genders.

00:42:51.140 I mean, this should be this should be taught day one in school, you know, in kindergarten.

00:42:54.280 And you have somehow did four years studying this, you know, at university level.

00:42:58.680 And that's what's happening.

00:42:59.500 You're creating a generation of emotional failures.

00:43:02.100 They're coming out of college today.

00:43:03.380 And they're complaining because they're so convinced that they deserve more money, right?

00:43:07.400 But they why is it so hard for them to get jobs?

00:43:09.580 It really is because they have no practical skills.

00:43:12.400 And that turns them into bitter, angry activists want to know who it is that has the time to

00:43:18.480 go out and protest and riot and loot for seven weeks on end.

00:43:22.320 A bunch of failures.

00:43:23.520 They don't have jobs.

00:43:24.820 You know what I mean?

00:43:25.740 In so many cases, white people.

00:43:27.740 It's rich white people.

00:43:29.060 Antifa.

00:43:29.820 Yeah.

00:43:30.360 With a bunch of degrees.

00:43:31.140 I mean, the couple that threw even the Molotov cocktail and the police cruiser in New York.

00:43:35.820 I mean, these were graduates from from Princeton.

00:43:38.980 You know what I mean?

00:43:39.400 Even the top tier schools.

00:43:41.400 David Hogg is going to Harvard.

00:43:43.040 I mean, that's something that never ceases to amaze me.

00:43:45.380 The fact that David Hogg is going to Harvard just because he's woke.

00:43:49.120 Just because he's woke.

00:43:50.160 That's right.

00:43:50.680 He's not an extraordinary student.

00:43:52.760 And he just said, oh, you great.

00:43:54.140 You're on CNN.

00:43:55.420 We're going to put you in a school.

00:43:56.880 So you're just you're now just giving people degrees for being woke, you know, because

00:44:00.900 you want to take away your guns.

00:44:02.360 I mean, he's somebody like Greta Turnberg, who has become very politically active.

00:44:07.920 And then but now if you there's any pushback to their positions, you get shamed as, you

00:44:12.300 know, going after a survivor of a gun attack, you know, or, you know, a mass shooting in

00:44:17.320 the case of Hogg or, you know, Greta, who's got some some mental health struggles that

00:44:22.420 have been well documented.

00:44:23.740 Anyway, it's you know, they want to use those things as a shield, but they set them to the

00:44:28.540 side immediately when they want to act in a way that's much more sword like.

00:44:32.420 And the rest of us will sit back and say, oh, we're not allowed to respond.

00:44:35.480 But, you know, we are.

00:44:36.620 And one of the things I've seen you do, but you don't care.

00:44:39.560 I mean, you'll go after anybody who speaks nonsense, which I love.

00:44:43.040 And it doesn't really doesn't matter.

00:44:45.500 And you actually get people to respond to you like Cardi B, which I do want to ask you

00:44:48.340 about.

00:44:48.520 But can you just tell us what happened?

00:44:50.440 Because you were on fire recently about it was basically some white guy who tweeted

00:44:56.800 a KKK hat at you.

00:44:58.840 What happened?

00:45:00.220 So I had this guy who's been running for Congress in California for two years.

00:45:04.320 He has sent just vitriolic tweets my way, and I just ignored it.

00:45:07.740 You know, he's one of these Democrats that is very sure that black America is not allowed

00:45:11.440 to be Republicans.

00:45:12.100 And hilariously, he's also a historian.

00:45:14.840 So you'd think that he would kind of explore that historically.

00:45:17.840 And it was, you know, we talked about the Klansmen.

00:45:19.680 They were hanging and burning crosses on the yards of black American Republicans.

00:45:23.920 It was Republicans that were being lynched throughout the South because Republicans were the ones

00:45:28.220 that freed the slaves.

00:45:29.080 Republicans were the ones that obviously fought for black Americans to have rights, to have

00:45:32.220 civil rights.

00:45:33.100 All the Democrats contested them.

00:45:34.420 But this guy is running for Congress.

00:45:35.960 And on this day, he was upset that I had tweeted, when Asian Lives Matter was trending, I decided

00:45:42.780 to do what I always do.

00:45:43.700 Look at the FBI statistics.

00:45:45.220 Asian Lives Matter is trending, and they're saying that we need to tackle white supremacy.

00:45:49.140 Well, guess what, Megan?

00:45:49.780 It turns out that actually Asian Americans are being attacked, the number one violent

00:45:54.480 defenders against Asian Americans or black Americans, similar to Black Lives Matter, right?

00:45:58.200 This whole theory that white supremacy needs to be stomped out, billions of dollars raised

00:46:02.600 for this idea, this trending hashtag.

00:46:04.400 But actually, black Americans are the number one.

00:46:07.040 You know, 95% of black Americans that are killed are killed by other black Americans.

00:46:10.380 So, of course, we're not actually looking to fix the issue because then it goes against

00:46:14.000 the narrative.

00:46:14.480 You wouldn't be talking about white supremacy.

00:46:17.180 You would be talking about why black Americans are the biggest perpetuators of violent crimes

00:46:22.680 in this country, despite being only 13% of the population.

00:46:25.620 We account for over 50% of the violent crimes in this country.

00:46:29.220 Now, those are just the facts.

00:46:30.760 You know what I mean?

00:46:31.120 You may not like the facts.

00:46:32.140 It may not make you feel good about hearing those facts because it seems so counter to

00:46:35.740 the narrative that we're all oppressed.

00:46:37.180 We're just these innocent people that are constantly being attacked.

00:46:39.540 And there are root causes to those facts.

00:46:41.640 Sure, we could have a real discussion about the culture issues in black America, but nobody

00:46:45.260 wants to have that because they want to score political points.

00:46:47.660 I listened to these FBI statistics and this guy became enraged and he sends me a picture

00:46:52.460 of a Klansman hood and says, here, you know, you dropped this and he sends it to me.

00:46:58.020 And I just think to myself, the idea of a white man sending a black woman a Ku Klux Klan hood,

00:47:04.380 this hood means nothing to him.

00:47:06.260 It means a lot to me because my grandparents raised me, as most people know.

00:47:10.300 My grandfather was branded by the KKK in his youth.

00:47:13.740 The Ku Klux Klan was a very real thing that we discussed at our dinner table every night.

00:47:17.740 You know, in regards to his childhood, you know, they chased my grandfather down.

00:47:21.800 They sprayed bullets in his home at night.

00:47:23.300 These were real people that terrorized my grandfather, who is still alive, in the segregated

00:47:28.320 South.

00:47:28.940 And now this Democrat congressman is just so upset that a black person isn't acting as

00:47:33.440 he thinks a black person should act, that he feels comfortable even Googling it.

00:47:37.640 I mean, imagine, Megan, what would make, inspire you to Google an image of a Klansman hood,

00:47:41.840 to save that image on your phone, and then to send it to a black person?

00:47:45.980 I mean, and he couldn't understand why it was wrong.

00:47:50.400 He's like, no, no, but she's racist.

00:47:52.760 She's a racist, but I'm here to save black people by Googling this image of a Klansman

00:47:56.800 hood and throwing it at her.

00:47:57.840 And you know what?

00:47:58.460 And I said, you know what?

00:47:59.100 I'm done with this.

00:48:00.140 And I contacted the police, and, you know, he's now done the video.

00:48:03.740 He stepped away from politics completely.

00:48:05.620 So after two years of harassing me, I filed a police report against him, and he realized

00:48:11.000 very quickly that there are consequences for your actions.

00:48:13.420 I'm tired of black Republicans in this country having to deal with real, actual racism coming

00:48:19.400 from white Democrats in the name of saving black people.

00:48:23.180 And they just can't understand.

00:48:24.660 You are the racist.

00:48:26.380 Oh, my God.

00:48:26.900 That is brilliant.

00:48:28.400 Good for you.

00:48:30.400 I think I speak up behalf of my whole audience.

00:48:32.460 Good for you.

00:48:33.680 Because that's the thing.

00:48:34.480 It's like, as I was saying, Gloria Steinem, you know, she loves all women unless they're

00:48:38.000 Republican, right?

00:48:38.760 And it's the same thing with these white liberals that they they're totally, you know, in on

00:48:43.800 board and in favor of black people, unless they're Republicans, unless they're conservatives.

00:48:47.440 Then you can say whatever you want about them.

00:48:49.160 You can use the Uncle Tom term.

00:48:50.560 You can use the worst terms than that.

00:48:52.340 Do whatever you want.

00:48:53.140 And in fact, they do.

00:48:54.520 They will.

00:48:55.340 And it's no problem whatsoever.

00:48:56.540 So nobody's making the point.

00:48:58.360 You're no one's like their objections to some of that behavior on the part of conservatives

00:49:03.040 writ large.

00:49:03.500 But no one's actually doing anything like fighting back in that way to stop it.

00:49:08.280 Yeah.

00:49:08.480 And that's what I felt.

00:49:09.360 I was like, you know what?

00:49:10.000 I'm I am going to take this as far as it needs to be taken, because people need to understand

00:49:14.080 we're tired of dealing with this.

00:49:15.740 You're you should not be allowed to be openly racist.

00:49:18.260 I mean, could you imagine if we're probably like a Ted Cruz, you know, Google and sent it

00:49:25.000 to a black Democrat, you know, sent it to Sheila Jackson or Maxine Waters.

00:49:30.140 Could you imagine the whole world, you know, they'd be so, you know, he did post a video

00:49:36.220 and he's completely pulled back from the Democrat Party.

00:49:38.820 He's no longer running.

00:49:39.680 He was running.

00:49:40.780 And so he's completely stomped out.

00:49:42.320 And I wanted to also fire that shot as a warning, you know, to these white Democrats that

00:49:46.560 for whatever reason are feeling the authority to speak to me in that direction that I'm not

00:49:51.160 playing around with this stuff anymore.

00:49:52.880 You know, if you're going to be racist and you're going to play by your own rules.

00:49:56.400 Yes.

00:49:57.020 Well, it's great.

00:49:57.620 I mean, we talked about this last time, but I mean, you testified before Congress and

00:50:01.440 you had two white women there trying to is it white spleen trying to white spleen to you.

00:50:06.880 But and you were like, hey, you know what?

00:50:09.340 Like if somebody else were doing this to if it were like a white Republican doing this

00:50:13.520 to a black Democratic woman, you would never allow that.

00:50:16.260 Right.

00:50:16.420 Like you don't get to lecture me on what it's like to be black and the plight of black people

00:50:19.500 sitting over there with your lily white skin.

00:50:21.680 And yeah.

00:50:22.000 And by the way, meaningless degrees, speaking of meaningless degrees, that woman, Kathy Ballou, what's her

00:50:27.360 name, I believe.

00:50:28.180 Right.

00:50:28.580 She had master's degrees, a doctorate in white supremacy, talking about meaningless degrees.

00:50:34.460 This woman has spent something like 12 years in school learning about white supremacy.

00:50:38.780 And she's so sure of herself, so sure of what she knows that never occurred to her that maybe

00:50:44.420 you can't learn how to be black in a book that maybe the closest you would ever get to really

00:50:49.000 understanding it would be to ask the black person things on the left of her what they're

00:50:53.040 actually experiencing.

00:50:54.140 But she needs me to understand that she's writing a book, what it's like to be black.

00:50:57.940 And I, therefore, am doing it wrong.

00:51:00.140 I mean, this is the kind of, you know, the idiocracy that that's going on in this country

00:51:04.560 right now.

00:51:05.680 They're just giving them degrees for nothing.

00:51:07.280 And you're mass producing a bunch of idiots.

00:51:09.040 Up next, we're going to talk about the latest in the trial of Derek Chauvin and what Candace

00:51:14.840 thinks ought to happen to that officer accused in the death of George Floyd.

00:51:19.600 But before we get to that, we're going to bring you a feature that we have here on the

00:51:22.780 program called Asked and Answered, where we try to address some of our listener mail and

00:51:28.520 the questions that are on your minds.

00:51:30.640 So Steve Krakauer monitors the account for us.

00:51:33.180 He's our executive producer and he's got the latest.

00:51:35.060 Hey, Steve.

00:51:35.380 Hey, Megan, this comes to us from our email address, questions at devilmaycaremedia.com

00:51:41.040 if you'd like to get your question answered, like Jenny Price is here today.

00:51:44.840 So she wants to know, she said she's heard you refer to the fact that your three kids

00:51:48.580 were conceived using IVF.

00:51:50.680 And like so many women, and she's in her early 40s trying to conceive her second child through

00:51:55.340 IVF.

00:51:56.460 And she'd love to hear your thoughts about IVF because it seems to be a really taboo subject.

00:52:00.780 And she says, I think a lot of women struggle with the loneliness of feeling like they can't

00:52:04.360 do something that other women can with seemingly little effort.

00:52:08.720 That's a good question.

00:52:10.700 You know, thank you for that.

00:52:11.940 I, I think it's important to talk about because can I tell you, I did not talk too much about

00:52:16.960 it when it was actually happening because when closer to the event, I did feel some of that

00:52:22.360 public pressure.

00:52:23.180 Like there's something wrong with you if you have to, if you have to go another route, right?

00:52:27.940 To get pregnant.

00:52:28.580 And like, there's definitely people who judge you for waiting too long.

00:52:32.260 Well, it's like, I don't, I only met my husband when we didn't, we only got married when I

00:52:35.420 was 37.

00:52:36.140 I had my first kid when I was 38.

00:52:38.020 So it's like, you know, sometimes love life doesn't deliver you the person you want to

00:52:42.940 have children with until later in life.

00:52:45.380 I don't know.

00:52:46.020 There is a stigma around it.

00:52:47.160 And it's kind of BS because first of all, there are ways to do it, to be conscientious.

00:52:50.940 If you don't wish to create extra embryos, we were in the fortunate position of not

00:52:55.280 having to worry about that.

00:52:56.380 So I was grateful.

00:52:58.320 We used all the embryos that we made, but I do think, you know, that quest for, for

00:53:03.760 wanting a baby so desperately can be overwhelming.

00:53:06.280 And I know how it is because when you want to get pregnant and you can't get pregnant, all

00:53:09.600 you see around you are pregnant women.

00:53:11.500 They're everywhere.

00:53:12.540 You never even noticed them when you're just a regular civilian.

00:53:15.220 But when you put on your mom to be eyeglasses, all you can see are moms to be at every corner

00:53:21.760 of your life and it can be depressing, you know, that, that the desire to have a child

00:53:25.960 can be totally overwhelming.

00:53:27.140 And it's unlike any other desire I've ever had in my life.

00:53:29.960 Once it kicks in, uh, cause I'm somebody who didn't even know if I wanted kids for the

00:53:34.080 first 10 years of my career.

00:53:36.380 Um, and certainly my first marriage, I didn't think I wanted them, but anyway, bear in mind,

00:53:40.560 it's much more frequent than people admit to, right?

00:53:43.040 A lot of people do it and they keep it on the down low.

00:53:44.980 There are lots of techniques that can help you get pregnant short of IVF as well, though

00:53:48.780 not, not as close to a guarantee.

00:53:51.980 IVF is not a guarantee, but it's, it's the closest thing we've got.

00:53:55.860 And to know this, if it doesn't work out, there are amazing, meaningful options awaiting you.

00:54:06.140 Not only are donor eggs a possibility, and I know people who've used donor eggs and it's

00:54:11.820 a wonderful choice because if you can't produce the eggs that you need to, it still allows you

00:54:17.640 to carry your own baby and the baby's yours a hundred percent.

00:54:21.960 It's yours a hundred percent, right?

00:54:24.280 And adoption.

00:54:25.220 I had very good friends in Virginia who tried, they were both lawyers, tried very hard to

00:54:30.500 get pregnant, couldn't do it.

00:54:32.160 She was older.

00:54:32.820 You know, we're all advanced maternal age when we're, you're like over 29, basically.

00:54:36.280 I don't know what the age is, but I see that on all my charts, AMA.

00:54:39.760 I'm like, what, what the hell does that stand for?

00:54:41.280 So she was struggling because she was AMA and ultimately couldn't get pregnant.

00:54:46.460 And they wound up adopting a baby and she really struggled with it.

00:54:49.840 You know, people want, they want, I think their biological child, there's something primal

00:54:54.620 about that need and really thought it was going to be a thing.

00:54:59.240 And long story short, she wound up adopting that daughter and then a second daughter, she

00:55:03.760 and her husband.

00:55:04.400 It's not a thing.

00:55:05.460 It's not.

00:55:06.140 Um, you, the fact that the child's not biologically yours is totally forgotten just as soon as

00:55:11.340 you embrace the child.

00:55:12.420 And I have another great friend of mine from childhood.

00:55:15.140 Who's got a daughter.

00:55:16.000 Like the fact that this child wasn't carried inside of you and wasn't birthed by you, um,

00:55:23.260 and, and doesn't share your genes.

00:55:25.020 It's irrelevant to your love for them.

00:55:27.900 The joy of having a child in your life, the fun of raising a child, the challenges of raising

00:55:32.280 a child, all of it.

00:55:33.020 Um, and I just think if anything, adoption gets a worse rap than it should not, not to

00:55:37.960 say it's easy, you know, that can also be nerve wracking and, you know, painstaking for

00:55:43.420 parents, but it's worth it.

00:55:44.600 All of it is worth it.

00:55:45.640 And once you, if you get that blessing of getting pregnant and getting the child or adopting

00:55:49.880 a child, it's like all the struggles forgotten in the same way you forget childbirth, you forget

00:55:54.520 this too, you know?

00:55:56.320 And, uh, I just think of all the things that have meaning in my life, of all the things that

00:56:01.000 have brought me joy in my life, there's nothing quite like children, you know, there's just

00:56:04.640 nothing quite like that love and holding them and seeing them smile and their silliness and

00:56:11.360 the youth that brings back into your own life and the, the reliving of joys that you had when

00:56:15.680 you were a child, that that's another gift they bring to you.

00:56:17.840 So it's worth trying, even though it can be a painful, painful process.

00:56:24.560 And I'll just tell you one funny story before I go about my own IVF experience.

00:56:29.740 I was down at the beach, you know, we go to New Jersey in the summers, um, there and, and

00:56:34.260 a woman I met, it was super sweet.

00:56:35.920 I really liked her came over to me and she was like, you know, I, I'm a fan and I've read

00:56:41.460 your book.

00:56:42.020 And, um, I just want to tell you, I, I feel kind of close to you.

00:56:45.760 And I, in particular, feel kind of close to Thatcher.

00:56:48.920 And I was like, Oh, why?

00:56:51.220 He's our youngest.

00:56:51.960 He's seven.

00:56:52.780 And she was like, well, I was in the room with you when he was conceived.

00:56:58.920 Like what?

00:57:00.460 Uh, so she was one of the doctors.

00:57:01.900 I use this guy named Dr.

00:57:03.020 Jamie Griffo for my IVF, but she was another doctor young and maybe in training or just starting

00:57:07.940 out.

00:57:08.500 And she was apparently in the room and, uh, I am like, so, so what you're saying is you've

00:57:12.860 seen my badge, leave it to me to go right to the nine-year-old boy humor.

00:57:16.880 And, uh, she laughed and confessed she had.

00:57:20.180 And, uh, anyway, it's just sort of, now it becomes a fun memory.

00:57:23.940 It'll be a fun thing to explain to them when they're older.

00:57:26.480 Uh, so my advice is keep trying and know that, look, ideally you've got a meaningful partner

00:57:32.660 already and that too can be a massive source of joy in one's life.

00:57:37.500 So God forbid, it doesn't work out if that's not God's plan for you.

00:57:41.460 Um, enjoy what you do have.

00:57:43.080 Because, you know, as they say, love is love.

00:57:47.760 Thanks for the question.

00:57:54.560 I do want to get your thoughts on what we're seeing now with George Floyd and the Chauvin

00:57:58.660 trial.

00:57:59.820 Um, and I've been following it as a legal matter and very open-minded to how this is going

00:58:05.020 to go.

00:58:05.480 You know, I know people have different opinions.

00:58:07.020 I heard Ben, our mutual friend and now your colleague, Shapiro saying the other day, he

00:58:11.360 thought this is a very uphill battle for the prosecution.

00:58:13.620 I actually don't think that.

00:58:15.220 I think, um, if I had put money on it, we'd definitely put it on the prosecution side.

00:58:19.140 Um, but it could go either way.

00:58:21.860 The defense has a real defense and they're starting to lay it out now in terms of George

00:58:26.840 Floyd's drug level and what he, what did he actually die of?

00:58:29.840 And the initial medical report suggested he died, not of a knee on the neck.

00:58:34.500 So anyway, we'll, we'll watch it play out.

00:58:36.240 But of course, as you know, Candace, in any of these cases, we see that the typical, typical

00:58:41.460 race baiters, including Al Sharpton show up to the scene, never, never misses an opportunity

00:58:47.200 to exploit and mislead.

00:58:48.940 This is the same guy who's still saying that hands up, don't shoot happened in the Michael

00:58:54.180 Brown case.

00:58:55.020 A lie, according to Eric Holder.

00:58:58.400 You don't have to believe Megyn Kelly.

00:58:59.920 Eric Holder said it was a lie.

00:59:01.240 He's still out there being treated like an authority.

00:59:03.660 We have a butted soundbite of Al Sharpton and Benjamin Crump, who's sort of a, he's, he's

00:59:08.620 drafting in the lane behind Sharpton right now.

00:59:11.040 Uh, and I think representing the Floyd family and all of this, but listen to what they said.

00:59:14.780 Shaving is in the courtroom, but America's on trial.

00:59:20.600 America's on trial to see if we have gotten to the place where we can hold police accountable

00:59:28.220 if they break the law.

00:59:30.380 Today starts a landmark trial that will be a referendum on how far America has come in

00:59:45.280 its quest for equality and justice for all.

00:59:50.720 So America is on trial and you, you know, you tell me my prediction is America in his

00:59:58.140 view is going to lose either way.

01:00:01.000 Yep, exactly.

01:00:02.280 And if America was on trial, did we not already suffer the consequences when they burned virtually

01:00:05.820 every city across America for six weeks after George Floyd's death?

01:00:09.760 You know, like, can we, can we get out of prison about this already?

01:00:12.600 And, and here's what I will say.

01:00:13.960 I very much agree.

01:00:15.660 Um, and I want to be clear that Derek Chauvin, in my opinion, is guilty of manslaughter.

01:00:21.100 Like, there's no question he's guilty of manslaughter.

01:00:22.360 Like, because I believe based on the, uh, the full tape of what happened, you know, which

01:00:27.680 was barely released that, you know, they did not want to get out and somebody leaked it

01:00:30.940 to the daily mail.

01:00:31.700 And when you watch the full tape, it's very clear that he ingested drugs while he was sitting

01:00:35.760 in his car, right?

01:00:36.460 It's very clear for a new toxicology reports.

01:00:38.820 He was dying of a drug overdose and he said he couldn't breathe before he even got put

01:00:43.900 on the ground.

01:00:44.360 He asked to be put on the ground, actually, which people don't know.

01:00:47.320 It's because the media did not widely report it because they had their narrative.

01:00:50.540 He was saying, I can't breathe.

01:00:51.620 He was already on the ground.

01:00:52.540 I was asking him to get off him.

01:00:53.500 But actually he was saying, I can't breathe, was saying he was claustrophobic.

01:00:56.600 They tried to put him in the car.

01:00:57.860 He was already properly arrested, you know, but this was a man that was having, he ingested

01:01:01.520 some, some drugs.

01:01:02.680 The woman that called 911 said he's acting like he's on drugs.

01:01:04.980 He's acting weird.

01:01:05.840 So I don't know what's going on.

01:01:06.780 This was a man that was high out of his mind and died of a drug overdose, but could he

01:01:10.500 have gotten the help that he needed if Derek Chauvin was not, you know, on the ground holding

01:01:15.500 him with the knee to the neck?

01:01:16.780 There was time in which he could have gotten medical attention.

01:01:20.340 That's a much stronger argument to make than he's guilty of manslaughter.

01:01:23.800 And that, you know, it was a horrible practice to not just say this man is, you know, completely

01:01:28.460 incapacitated.

01:01:29.520 I'm not, I'm not helping, clearly not helping by putting my knee on his neck and standing

01:01:33.420 here while he's saying he can't breathe.

01:01:35.180 So there's two elements.

01:01:37.200 I think, you know, Derek Chauvin is guilty of manslaughter.

01:01:39.820 I would be comfortable with that charge.

01:01:41.700 He is not the reason that George Floyd had an overdose.

01:01:46.180 Both, both of these things can be true, right?

01:01:48.520 The problem is that, and this is kind of, I'm sure what Ben Shapiro is saying, I haven't

01:01:51.940 heard his assessment, is that right now they're trying to get him on third degree murder.

01:01:55.660 That's not going to happen in my opinion.

01:01:58.040 And because people don't understand the difference in why it was wrong to trump up these charges,

01:02:02.460 you know, a third degree murder charge would be, you know, Derek Chauvin went out that

01:02:07.480 day because he wanted to kill George Floyd and he killed him because he wanted to kill

01:02:11.680 him and nothing else was involved, right?

01:02:13.820 He, if that does not happen, and I don't think it's likely, and he does not meet the third

01:02:18.520 degree charge, you're going to see riots all across America.

01:02:21.340 And so I'm like, why are we setting this up?

01:02:23.020 Why not just get him for what you know you can get him on, manslaughter, right?

01:02:26.900 Being a crappy police officer who could have done a thousand different things and sit and

01:02:30.600 stand on his neck for nine minutes and go this route if you don't want there to be mass

01:02:35.340 race riots across America.

01:02:36.860 So I say, no matter what, we're going to lose.

01:02:40.100 Society is going to lose.

01:02:41.740 It's a law.

01:02:42.480 It's a longer issue.

01:02:43.160 And people should listen to Ben's podcast just in general, because it's awesome.

01:02:46.240 But what he was trying to say is that, and it's, we got into this on our show and show

01:02:52.060 from last Wednesday, which people should listen to as well, because we fleshed it out.

01:02:55.880 But the long and the short of it is, he's been charged with second degree murder, third

01:02:58.960 degree murder, and manslaughter.

01:03:00.800 Second degree murder is, it's essentially felony murder.

01:03:03.580 They're saying, you committed an illegal assault, and in the course of that, somebody died.

01:03:07.840 And Ben's feeling is, unless, his position is, unless they can prove he intended the assault,

01:03:13.800 because they have to prove he intended to assault him, they're not going to be able to prove

01:03:17.800 the felony part of felony murder.

01:03:19.540 It's like when someone dies in the course of you committing a felony.

01:03:21.760 And so he doesn't think they're going to be able to prove that.

01:03:24.260 And then a third degree murder is more like, you have to, it has to be like a depraved

01:03:28.480 indifference to a risk to society.

01:03:31.440 And as I was saying the other day, it's like when you shoot into a crowd of people, that's

01:03:34.640 depraved indifference.

01:03:36.760 I don't think it applies here at all.

01:03:38.180 But the Minnesota appeals court disagrees with me and says that they had to, that the judge

01:03:42.800 had to let them charge it.

01:03:44.320 So we'll see what the jury does with that one.

01:03:46.040 I mean, that one's, the courts have already had their say on whether that one applies.

01:03:48.480 And then there's manslaughter, which does seem to fit perfectly.

01:03:52.220 They can decide whether, whether he should be convicted, but if it's perfectly, it's,

01:03:55.320 it's basically negligence that is so beyond the pale that it's criminal.

01:04:00.620 Right.

01:04:01.000 And that's what I think everybody agrees that happens.

01:04:04.300 You know, I think that that charge, you know, will likely go through, but second degree

01:04:07.760 murder, third degree murder.

01:04:08.740 I just, because I've seen the full tape and I, he asked to be put on the ground, they were

01:04:13.200 never going to put him on the ground.

01:04:14.760 Um, it just creates uphill battle in the courtroom.

01:04:17.180 Yeah.

01:04:18.000 Well, I mean, that's the thing that a lot of people don't understand that he, he was

01:04:21.260 saying repeatedly, I can't breathe before Derek Chauvin even got there.

01:04:24.920 I mean, it's like before he even got there while he was still upright, while the police

01:04:28.460 are just asking him to get into the police guard saying, we'll unroll the windows and

01:04:31.400 we'll put on the air conditioning for you.

01:04:33.380 He's like, I'm claustrophobic, man.

01:04:34.980 I can't be in the car.

01:04:36.220 I can't like, you know, even though he just came out of the car.

01:04:38.600 But meanwhile, yeah, exactly.

01:04:39.740 He was just in his car.

01:04:40.900 He was in his car with the doors closed.

01:04:43.120 Yeah.

01:04:44.000 Right.

01:04:44.440 So it's like the officer's going, why is he acting weird?

01:04:46.680 Why?

01:04:46.940 What's he doing?

01:04:47.480 What's he doing in there?

01:04:48.620 I mean, and the problem is, is that the, the, the actual full length tape has not been seen

01:04:53.500 by all Americans.

01:04:54.360 Just that nine minutes of Derek Chauvin is next.

01:04:56.540 They are operating with very limited knowledge of what actually took place.

01:05:00.500 Well, but what do you think?

01:05:02.140 Because my, my, I think legally the case actually could go either way.

01:05:06.280 I mean, I, I would not be surprised to have a jury come back and actually even say not guilty.

01:05:10.800 It would be extraordinary given the amount of political pressure that's definitely lurking

01:05:14.820 in that courtroom, whether it should be or not.

01:05:17.180 I wouldn't be surprised.

01:05:18.780 I think they'll probably come back with a conviction and I don't know what of, but what

01:05:22.980 do you, if the conviction is of, let's say just manslaughter, which has at most, I think

01:05:29.740 a, the, the sentencing guidelines would, would make the max, uh, 61 months.

01:05:34.080 Um, that's not going to be enough for the people who want to see Derek Chauvin fry.

01:05:39.080 That's what they want to see.

01:05:40.080 I mean, you got people like that moron Chelsea Handler.

01:05:42.500 She's out there saying, and not, I hate to quote this moron.

01:05:45.460 So forgive me for even bringing up the moron Chelsea Handler, but she did tweet out so

01:05:49.580 pathetic that there's a trial to prove Chauvin killed George Floyd when there's a video

01:05:53.260 of him doing so who the hell's still listening to Chelsea Handler.

01:05:55.940 She's an idiot moron.

01:05:57.060 She's a stupid ass comedian who's never said anything helpful.

01:06:00.120 Who's running around quoting Louis Farrakhan, right?

01:06:02.740 Who is like the biggest anti-Semite we have living today.

01:06:06.200 Anyway, digression, but what's going to happen if, if there's a conviction on a lesser charge

01:06:11.540 or a not guilty verdict?

01:06:14.000 Yeah.

01:06:14.460 I mean, she looks, she's, Chelsea Handler is completely out of her mind.

01:06:17.400 I mean, she's, she's not a stable woman and she's talked about her instability by saying

01:06:20.640 she had to go on pills the whole time Trump was president.

01:06:23.120 That's not a stable woman.

01:06:24.240 So please don't take your cues from a person who needs to be medicated depending on who's

01:06:28.860 in office.

01:06:29.920 But, uh, you know, that aside, uh, yeah, absolutely.

01:06:34.040 You're going to see more of these woke idiots who know absolutely nothing about law legalities,

01:06:38.180 trying to lead a herd of other woke idiots to think that no matter what happens, the conclusion

01:06:42.740 is, is unjust and you need to riot.

01:06:44.500 So look, it's going to be a bad day in Minnesota.

01:06:46.800 Uh, no matter what, in my opinion, I don't see how this doesn't end up in writing and

01:06:50.560 these people are who get, you know, get paid like these idiots, like Al Sharpen to say this

01:06:54.660 stuff are doing nothing to help it.

01:06:56.380 They're just drumming up, trying to drum up more pressure on, um, uh, on these jurists.

01:07:01.160 And it's unfortunate because there's a lot of them are scared for their lives.

01:07:03.560 They're scared, uh, to look at this clip, at this case clearly because the public doesn't

01:07:07.800 have the same facts they will be presented with that trial.

01:07:10.300 Uh, so, you know, you kind of have to hold your breath and fully expect, I'm going into

01:07:14.700 this is expecting rioting and meeting.

01:07:16.880 So, yeah, me too.

01:07:18.380 Either way.

01:07:18.840 And, and, and even if they convict him of the maximum and they impose a big sentence,

01:07:23.540 it's going, that's too, it's going to be an indictment of America.

01:07:25.980 So America is not going to come out well in the view of Al Sharpton, no matter what it,

01:07:29.900 it never does.

01:07:32.200 Um, I want to ask you about, uh, the other crimes that we've been watching because you've

01:07:36.940 been, this, this always makes me feel uncomfortable.

01:07:39.280 I gotta be honest.

01:07:40.180 When we, when we sort of point to black crime as, I don't know, evidence of anything, I

01:07:47.420 start to feel uncomfortable.

01:07:48.380 You know, I, I never, I try to never tweet out like black people behaving terribly as

01:07:55.120 evidence of like, where's the national story about this?

01:07:57.900 Because it's just like out of context.

01:07:59.400 And it's to me, that gins up racism that makes me feel uncomfortable.

01:08:03.300 I don't know.

01:08:03.920 Um, but we, we have seen some shocking crimes.

01:08:08.900 Um, one, the DC carjacking of this Uber Eats driver, Muhammad Anwar, uh, last week.

01:08:14.260 And then the other, this attack on this 65 year old Asian woman in midtown Manhattan by

01:08:18.860 38 year old black man named Brandon Elliott.

01:08:21.720 Um, by the way, the guy killed his own mother in 2002 without on parole.

01:08:24.980 I don't know if we should be paroling people who kill their mothers.

01:08:26.920 Um, and people are asking, I think legitimately, where's the national outrage about those cases,

01:08:34.760 right?

01:08:35.200 About the, the teenage girls who, who carjacked Muhammad, killed him, dragged him in his own

01:08:40.100 car to his death.

01:08:41.380 And this other guy who just randomly just, I mean, the Asian woman's pelvis is broken.

01:08:45.960 She's on her way to church.

01:08:47.420 They don't make these national news stories, Candace.

01:08:50.020 We don't, they run it on the local news and that's the end of it.

01:08:53.380 I mean, listen, I mean, I, I appreciate that you feel uncomfortable because people will,

01:08:59.340 you know, assign racial undertones to it when, and it very, people that always want to point

01:09:03.520 out race when these things happen, but the truth is the truth.

01:09:06.960 The truth is the truth, right?

01:09:08.100 And, and we, we have to be able to discuss the truth or there's never going to be a solution,

01:09:12.340 right?

01:09:12.680 So pretending that black Americans are not the most murderous, which is factually the most,

01:09:18.720 the most murderous and the most violent offenders in America are black Americans.

01:09:23.620 Right.

01:09:24.040 It pains me to say I'm a black American, right?

01:09:26.000 So it's not something I'm proud of, right?

01:09:28.300 But it is the truth.

01:09:29.640 And if we could at first acknowledge the truth in society and stop with this mass brainwashing

01:09:35.280 where people say, Oh, you know, number one, white men.

01:09:37.820 Oh, let me guess.

01:09:38.320 Another single white men, white men, white men, white men, white men.

01:09:40.960 It is.

01:09:41.220 There is just no data or facts to, to, to back that up.

01:09:45.140 You can't, we keep talking about white supremacy.

01:09:47.700 And in my opinion, the reason we keep talking about white supremacy is because they don't

01:09:51.220 actually want to fix what is happening in black America, which does need to be addressed.

01:09:56.360 Now, if you want to present an argument on top of that, which people will do and say,

01:09:59.480 Oh, well, you know, maybe the reason black Americans are the most murderous is because

01:10:02.860 of the history and living in the projects and all this stuff.

01:10:05.600 I'd rather have that honest discussion than to pretend that white supremacy is an issue

01:10:10.320 facing this country, right?

01:10:11.780 I'd rather you try to diagnose why it is that black Americans are the most murderous group

01:10:16.740 in America, why we are, why we are the most violent racial group in America than for you

01:10:21.620 to pretend that we're not.

01:10:23.060 Okay.

01:10:23.420 Because one says, okay, we've at least, we're talking about it.

01:10:26.080 Talking about it is, is the first step to coming, coming up the solution, even alcoholic

01:10:29.800 AA, right?

01:10:30.580 The first step is admitting you have a problem, right?

01:10:33.000 Um, we can't get to the first step in this country because people are so afraid to talk

01:10:37.260 about that because they get castigated.

01:10:39.440 You know, they get accused of being a racist by looking at, at pure statistics.

01:10:43.420 Um, and, and, and there is a cultural issue that under, that is the undertone of all of

01:10:48.720 this.

01:10:49.000 And it is being aided and abetted by a dishonest media narrative where they only tell you the

01:10:54.380 race of the offender.

01:10:55.640 If the offender is white, right?

01:10:58.180 So you will see white man shoots up store, but then they'll just say, man shoots up,

01:11:05.120 you know, man goes on a shooting spree if it's a black man.

01:11:07.320 And it is, it is way more likely to be a black man than to be a man of any other race.

01:11:11.540 It's like the, um, the Atlanta, you know, massage parlor murders where the guy, you know,

01:11:17.180 he was, he was white and everybody said, oh, it's a white supremacist.

01:11:20.180 And he's unleashing this anti-Asian hate driven violence.

01:11:23.580 And then he came out and said, it was actually more of a sex thing.

01:11:25.880 There's sex workers and massage parlors have these sort of, you know, sex workers in them

01:11:30.520 from time to time.

01:11:31.740 And that's what it was about.

01:11:32.960 And the story went away immediately.

01:11:34.440 It was like, first we spent two days talking about how that can't be true.

01:11:38.140 It has to be about the people being Asian.

01:11:40.120 And then the story went immediately away.

01:11:41.720 And the story about, you know, the black man in New York and the video is horrible.

01:11:45.060 Let me tell you, I haven't worked in TV for a long time.

01:11:47.000 When you have, we call it hot video, whether it's disturbing or not, you call it hot video.

01:11:51.400 Um, when you've got hot video, you air it.

01:11:54.460 And then, and if this had been a white man doing this to this 65 year old Asian woman,

01:12:00.240 it would have been on loop.

01:12:01.780 It would have been on loop 24 seven to make the point about white supremacy, as you just

01:12:06.580 said.

01:12:07.080 Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:07.900 And, and, and by the way, like, and I, again, I want to harp on the fact that what we are

01:12:10.880 talking about are actual statistics.

01:12:13.140 Statistics cannot be racist, right?

01:12:14.860 So I'm looking at right now, a chart of the estimated number of arrests by offense and race

01:12:20.180 of 2019, right?

01:12:21.920 So in 2019, there were 11,060 arrests for murder and manslaughter, right?

01:12:28.860 Of those 11,060 arrests, 5,660 were black people, 5,070 were white people.

01:12:37.300 That's a dramatic disparity because black people are only 13% of the population.

01:12:43.020 White people are 60%.

01:12:43.980 And yet we are committing more murder and non-negligent manslaughter according to these

01:12:49.000 statistics.

01:12:49.560 These are stats and we have to fix it.

01:12:51.920 And this is why, you know, you had brought up earlier how I get into these debates with

01:12:55.660 Cardi B and all of these people, because I understand that in black America, we have

01:13:00.160 a culture that is, is, is very quickly starting to tread towards celebrating degeneracy, right?

01:13:05.860 And then going, I'm shocked, right?

01:13:07.880 I'm absolutely shocked that this is, that these are the statistics.

01:13:10.760 Well, you have a woman and I'm, I'm, I'm switching here to talk about Cardi B who just

01:13:16.040 won woman of the year by billboard, right?

01:13:19.120 This is a woman who has admitted that she robbed and drugged men throughout her life to

01:13:24.880 get what she wanted.

01:13:26.120 She's on tape talking about it.

01:13:27.540 And yet they, they go, Oh, that's totally fine.

01:13:29.000 It doesn't matter.

01:13:29.540 We're going to give her brand new, we're going to put her on the main stage and we're

01:13:32.040 going to let her be halfway naked.

01:13:33.520 How can we fix anything if we refuse to address the truth and talk about the problems that we

01:13:38.280 have a sick culture right now, not just in black America, you know, all throughout America,

01:13:42.460 it's getting pretty bad.

01:13:43.940 But I, I harp on black America because, you know, stuff trickles down and, and there, there

01:13:49.200 are just, we disproportionately represent the crime statistics.

01:13:52.640 I do want to say you're right about casual crime.

01:13:54.680 I shouldn't have casual meaning just like not hate crimes, not, not motivated by race.

01:13:59.440 The stats you just said, but I should point out that the FBI says when it comes to actual

01:14:03.960 hate crimes, crimes motivated by the ethnicity of the target in 2019, most were white.

01:14:10.700 It was a 2005 anti-Asian attacks where the person's race was known, the attacker where

01:14:15.760 the race was known 30, 30 of the 2005, 205 were black, 95 were white.

01:14:21.960 So there is a distinction when it comes to, you say there's a distinction, Megan, but whenever

01:14:25.960 a black person kills a white person, it's not called a hate crime.

01:14:29.040 It's not a legal classification for it.

01:14:30.620 Well, it has to be motivated by race to be a hate crime.

01:14:33.400 And how do you know it's motivated by race?

01:14:34.780 So this recent shooting, right.

01:14:36.400 In, in, against Asian Americans is being called a hate crime, but we know he was motivated

01:14:41.260 by watching pornography.

01:14:42.280 It just happened to be Asians that were in the salon.

01:14:45.000 You know, it's not a hate crime.

01:14:46.020 Only the media is calling it that the cops are not investigating it as a hate crime.

01:14:49.160 Cause there's the truth is there isn't evidence of that.

01:14:52.740 Right, right.

01:14:53.600 That's, that's absolutely right.

01:14:54.560 But you know, it seems to me to be, and I'd be very interested in what the legal classification

01:14:58.140 is, but I've never heard of a crime executed against white people that classified as a

01:15:03.300 hate crime, Jewish people, but not white people.

01:15:05.860 I don't think there is a classification for white people that it's called a hate crime.

01:15:10.360 That's an interesting point.

01:15:11.740 And if that's, that's a question, you know, I I've never heard of it.

01:15:14.660 I've never heard of something called the hate crime executed against a white person.

01:15:18.380 So I'll leave that as a question mark.

01:15:20.220 I've just, I've never heard of it ever.

01:15:22.160 I'd have to, it just seems to be called a crime.

01:15:24.560 Which by the way, just to be clear, all crimes are hate crimes.

01:15:27.200 You don't do something, you don't kill someone because you love them.

01:15:29.940 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:15:31.420 All right.

01:15:31.580 So let me, let me round up on the Cardi B thing.

01:15:33.700 So I just got back from the Bahamas.

01:15:35.020 We went there on spring break with my family and, um, I was walking by there.

01:15:39.140 They, this place we go has this big, big, big Marina and all these yachts come in from

01:15:44.700 all over the world.

01:15:45.360 And they're so fun to look at and try to get a peek into.

01:15:47.580 And there was this huge yacht and all these people were on board and they were playing

01:15:51.880 Cardi B.

01:15:52.540 And I thought, okay, I think I, that's Cardi B.

01:15:54.960 And then I was like, oh wait, no, that's Cardi B that there.

01:15:57.860 She was, she was there.

01:15:59.260 And it was funny because I had to do my podcast there, um, one day and, and she, I knew had

01:16:06.800 been using the recording studio at some point.

01:16:08.960 And I was like, oh, I hope I bump into her and I can ask her about Candace.

01:16:15.700 Oh gosh, I wish she would have.

01:16:17.220 That would have been so great.

01:16:18.740 It didn't happen.

01:16:20.000 But like, can you explain how did things go off the rails between the two of you?

01:16:24.580 Like she's, she's been responding to you, which I do think is a testament to your power.

01:16:28.300 Um, I know that you kind of, you kind of thought it was bullshit that Biden sat with Cardi B.

01:16:34.000 Like you can't find somebody else who's more representative of the black community than

01:16:38.000 Cardi B.

01:16:39.180 Right.

01:16:39.860 Things picked up again recently, like since then.

01:16:42.200 So what happened?

01:16:43.760 You know, it, it, it's one of those things and, and Ben Shapiro, you know, accurately said

01:16:48.000 that this is what they do often.

01:16:50.400 And I say they, I'm talking about the left, but they do often is that they do something

01:16:53.640 that's so ridiculous and absurd that they're asking everyone to comment on it.

01:16:57.220 Right.

01:16:57.440 So Cardi B is walking down the street buying Starbucks and I'm like, look at Cardi B buying

01:17:01.380 Starbucks and considering I started talking about it.

01:17:03.060 That would be like, guys, what's wrong with you?

01:17:04.780 Why are you clutching your pearls?

01:17:06.180 Because a rapper is buying Starbucks.

01:17:07.920 But what is she intending when she gets on stage half naked and grinds her crotch against

01:17:12.540 another woman's crotch?

01:17:13.880 She's attempting to drum up conversation.

01:17:15.560 She's protecting, you know, she wants to be perversive, subversive.

01:17:18.520 And, and she wants people to say, oh my gosh, I can't believe that performance.

01:17:21.960 She, they really left the imagination.

01:17:23.100 But then when we do it, they go, oh my God, I can't believe they respond.

01:17:27.420 How could they possibly, it's like the ultimate gaslighting, right?

01:17:30.500 Of like, you're doing something that of course is going to garner a conversation.

01:17:34.340 So I went on to Tucker Carlson.

01:17:35.780 I go on the show once a week.

01:17:37.400 I do not pick the topics.

01:17:38.780 You know how it works at Fox news.

01:17:40.220 They decide what topics are.

01:17:41.420 And Tucker's team decided because of this, you know, offensive Grammys performance to

01:17:46.440 discuss, they said, okay, your topic's Cardi B.

01:17:48.640 And I talked, we actually had two topics.

01:17:50.800 I spoke about her for 30 seconds.

01:17:52.300 So it was the rest of the world talking about this performance.

01:17:55.280 You know, you were half naked, humping another woman on stage.

01:17:58.600 And, and yet this clip on Fox news really got under her skin because I called it a foreign

01:18:03.100 degeneracy and cultural corrosion.

01:18:05.360 Um, and, and so she tweeted about this for 12 hours before it even made my attention because

01:18:10.140 I was so busy and you know, it really impacted her.

01:18:13.360 And it's interesting.

01:18:14.180 There is something about me providing commentary on her that gets under her skin, particularly

01:18:18.360 because everyone comments on her, but there's something about me that upsets her.

01:18:21.860 And when I think about what that is, it's because I think when Cardi B goes to sleep at

01:18:26.000 night, she's not happy with what she's doing.

01:18:28.220 She knows there's something wrong with what she's doing, because if somebody says something

01:18:32.060 about, you know, it's not true.

01:18:33.320 You're like, I'm not, I don't care if you call me a degenerate.

01:18:35.100 I'm not degenerate, but she, I think she actually lacks confidence, right?

01:18:39.160 Because there really, it really is a horrible way to live when the only way you can get attention,

01:18:45.120 the only way you feel like you can be seen or be heard is that you have to take off your

01:18:48.040 clothes, right?

01:18:48.980 You have to talk about your vagina.

01:18:50.500 I mean, I can think of nothing more demeaning than that.

01:18:52.740 And yet they're trying to convince her that it's a form of empowerment by giving her these

01:18:56.320 meaningless accolades.

01:18:57.460 Like, you're the woman of the year.

01:18:58.700 You're this, we're going to list you as this.

01:19:00.460 I don't think she's actually content with herself.

01:19:02.780 And when she hears me selling out, she hears a truth that she's very uncomfortable with.

01:19:08.900 Um, I am in favor of talking about one's vagina in general.

01:19:12.620 I think I have no problem with, had a very interesting conversation with Andrew Schultz

01:19:17.420 about pubic hair, but she's crass.

01:19:20.720 I mean, she's really crass in the way she talks about, and we're supposed to think it's

01:19:25.160 empowerment.

01:19:26.140 I've really tried to think about it.

01:19:27.700 Like, okay, I don't feel empowered when I see that dance routine or I listen to that

01:19:33.100 song.

01:19:33.440 I feel grossed out.

01:19:34.460 I feel like, all right, this is so crass and so, and it just blew.

01:19:38.820 Um, it makes me uncomfortable, but then I think, all right, so maybe, maybe this is

01:19:44.280 empowering for, you know, a black woman in particular who has, you know, been in a culture

01:19:49.480 where she's treated as sort of second class to, to black men.

01:19:54.220 And this is a way of her sort of saying, I'm in charge now, you know, I control you.

01:19:58.900 You don't control me.

01:20:00.420 You want me.

01:20:01.580 I may or may not want you, but I'm the one, you know, sort of wearing no pants in the family.

01:20:07.160 Um, I don't know, like, I, I don't pretend that I understand the whole dynamic, but I

01:20:11.620 do feel a little like, okay, I, I am sort of this white woman of privilege and maybe

01:20:15.760 I should just not comment on it, but, and you're a black woman of privilege.

01:20:19.180 You feel like maybe you don't get what, why it's empowering for her.

01:20:23.720 No, I mean, I'm, I'm a black woman of privilege.

01:20:26.160 Why I came, I came from absolutely nothing, right?

01:20:29.220 I came from the same place, but we, what we earned it.

01:20:33.420 We worked hard because that would make Cardi B by that metric, a black woman of privilege.

01:20:37.160 So we're the same people, right?

01:20:39.360 We're the same people.

01:20:40.460 Cardi B is worth $26 million, right?

01:20:43.680 So me, you and her should all now be considered in the same box.

01:20:47.340 Um, and, and, and yet we are living a different life than she's living.

01:20:50.700 And that's kind of the, that's kind of my point in all of this, which is just that, you know,

01:20:55.000 Cardi B, you are now in a position of privilege.

01:20:57.380 You can actually inspire women to do better.

01:20:59.740 You know, that living a life like that, does it make you happy?

01:21:02.580 You're not happy.

01:21:03.420 You have a husband that openly cheats on you.

01:21:05.280 You know, you're filing for divorce, not filing for divorce.

01:21:08.040 You don't feel secure in your own home.

01:21:09.540 You've talked about that multiple times.

01:21:11.600 And guess what?

01:21:12.320 That's a dead end career when you have to be more perversive than the last time.

01:21:15.980 There's really only so perverse you can be.

01:21:17.620 There's only so many, aside from being fully naked next time, right?

01:21:21.920 I think she was in a thong and a bra.

01:21:23.520 How much more attention are you going to garner on this path?

01:21:26.120 I want Cardi B to be better.

01:21:28.320 I don't dislike her.

01:21:29.260 I think that she, she misunderstands that.

01:21:31.520 I think it's great that she came from nothing and she made a living for herself, but I think

01:21:35.180 she has to understand that now you've made it, right?

01:21:37.760 You can, you can be a little more comfortable than to think that this is the only way you're

01:21:41.220 ever going to pay attention to.

01:21:42.680 Try just being talented and not being controversial and, and, and, and perversive.

01:21:48.380 You're, you have a good point.

01:21:49.780 It's like, she's made it now.

01:21:50.940 And by the way, she's definitely not in the same position that we're in.

01:21:54.020 Cause I was not on a yacht.

01:21:55.880 I was, I was at a nice little cottage, but, but you raise a good point.

01:22:02.480 It's like, it would be wonderful if she could sort of set an example for all the millions

01:22:07.220 of women who admire her.

01:22:08.460 I mean, young girls in particular love Cardi B.

01:22:11.060 Um, that like, this doesn't have to be the way, you know, maybe, maybe you could lean

01:22:14.720 into classy and truly empowered.

01:22:17.940 And sex appeal is one thing.

01:22:19.560 Sex appeal is awesome.

01:22:20.520 Go for it.

01:22:21.060 But like, it's, it was just vulgar.

01:22:23.460 Like what she did was vulgar.

01:22:24.900 I understand the need to like embrace a woman of color and say, okay, great.

01:22:29.340 You know, but like, that doesn't mean we have to sacrifice all societal standards.

01:22:32.520 And frankly, I can relate to this a little bit myself because in a weird way, I was in

01:22:37.420 where I was in the place you're in with Britney Spears a long time ago.

01:22:41.420 Um, she came out with the song, uh, if you seek Amy and when you sing it, it's F you

01:22:48.540 see, and, um, I thought it was bullshit because it's, it's played on terrestrial radio.

01:22:54.580 It was at the time without any bleeping and all these little kids are singing along to

01:22:59.120 it.

01:22:59.380 And, you know, moms have been saying, I really don't want my eight year old daughter singing

01:23:02.920 that in the car.

01:23:04.460 And so we did a segment on Fox news about it.

01:23:06.860 Like this is kind of, I realize it's tongue in cheek, you know what she's doing here,

01:23:11.260 but it doesn't feel appropriate to me.

01:23:13.000 And by the way, now the whole narrative is like poor Britney.

01:23:15.240 She was totally exploited.

01:23:16.140 She never knew what she was doing.

01:23:17.540 She knew what she was doing, right?

01:23:18.800 I'm not saying that the press was great to her or that she wasn't exploited by her family

01:23:22.200 and all that, but let's, let's not totally disempower Britney Spears from having had a hand

01:23:26.860 in her own career and her own choices.

01:23:29.220 Um, anyway, then it was funny because she did a video of the song in which somebody played

01:23:35.040 me.

01:23:35.660 So it was like the blonde newscaster being like, Oh, the horror.

01:23:38.660 It was like more of a cultural condemnation than I offered, but it was hilarious because

01:23:42.920 one day somehow the actress who, who played that part in her video was coming through Fox

01:23:49.840 news.

01:23:50.340 And when a person on my team grabbed her, we did an interview of her and she admitted she

01:23:54.560 was told to play me.

01:23:55.480 But I stand by it.

01:23:59.480 It's like, you have to, you're right.

01:24:01.140 These people, like they, they put out these provocative songs, whether it's Britney or Cardi

01:24:04.980 B in an effort to get attention and an effort to get you talking about them.

01:24:07.940 And then when you do, it's like, Oh, conservatives are clushing their pearls again.

01:24:12.880 And it's like, yeah, because it's pornography, you know?

01:24:15.400 And I appreciate that there are women that are actually porn actresses and I appreciate

01:24:19.540 that, but at least they're not putting it on CBS, you know, the Grammys, ABC, like, you

01:24:24.080 know, and, and this is, it also, they say all the time, Cardi B, well, I'm not telling

01:24:27.720 your kids to follow me.

01:24:28.920 So she, they know it's wrong, right?

01:24:30.480 She knows it's wrong because she's saying I'm not for kids and you need to watch your

01:24:34.000 kids.

01:24:34.240 You know that that is completely unreasonable.

01:24:36.080 There's no person in the world that can watch their kids 24 hours a day.

01:24:39.960 That is where culture takes over.

01:24:41.600 Your kids are going to go to school.

01:24:42.980 Some other idiots going to have Instagram and a smartphone.

01:24:45.440 Some other idiots going to play it for them on their air pod and on their iPhone.

01:24:48.660 They're going to go to a play date, right?

01:24:50.360 Right now you and I have been on, on this podcast for an hour.

01:24:53.160 That means neither one of us right now knows what our kids are exactly looking at, at this

01:24:57.600 very moment, right?

01:24:58.840 Because you, you have to trust them to be around other kids.

01:25:01.280 You're not going to keep them in a bubble, you know, all the time.

01:25:03.900 So it's, it's to me that I hate when they say that, like somehow the parents need to just

01:25:08.700 deal with it.

01:25:09.240 And I'm just going to be perverted and put it out into the world and into pop books.

01:25:12.320 Like you said, driving, it's on the radio.

01:25:14.520 I mean, it's like, what do you want us to do?

01:25:16.780 So they're right.

01:25:17.660 So they're on the radio and she showed up in the Grammys and apparently that was the clean version,

01:25:22.400 right?

01:25:22.800 That was the clean version of that song and the performance.

01:25:25.360 So it's like, I would not watch the Grammys with my kids ever because you know, you're

01:25:29.760 going to get very raunchy stuff.

01:25:31.540 And I just don't even, but like, I did watch a Superbowl with them.

01:25:34.520 And you know, last year it was JLo and Shakira basically showing their vag back to the vagina

01:25:39.960 conversation.

01:25:40.920 They really were showing their vag.

01:25:42.100 Like Shakira had a little strip right down the middle and I saw it vag.

01:25:45.940 I did.

01:25:46.700 And JLo was basically on a strip pole the whole time.

01:25:48.760 And I'm supposed to tell my daughter that's empowering, but it isn't.

01:25:51.920 I don't feel it.

01:25:53.600 And I don't feel empowered by that stuff either.

01:25:56.100 And so I guess that makes us evil conservatives who are just clutching their pearls.

01:26:00.000 It's just like, be something else.

01:26:01.280 Be empowering.

01:26:02.060 I don't have to read your politics.

01:26:03.380 I think Oprah's empowering.

01:26:04.540 I don't like the politics.

01:26:05.620 You know what I mean?

01:26:06.460 This is a woman that came from nothing and made a career out of herself.

01:26:09.100 And she's, you know, she's one of the greatest to ever do it.

01:26:11.800 And in terms of interviewing people, I respect Oprah for that.

01:26:15.040 I don't respect Cardi B.

01:26:16.220 So there are other options for Cardi B.

01:26:18.220 You can make music.

01:26:19.020 You can be Beyonce.

01:26:20.120 You know what I mean?

01:26:21.420 You know, she's been tremendously classy.

01:26:23.580 Beyonce, exactly.

01:26:24.520 She toes the line, right?

01:26:25.620 Between like sexy and sex appeal in a way that makes you be like, yeah, I love it.

01:26:29.700 Makes me want to sort of learn to dance like that and have better style in my life.

01:26:34.260 Right.

01:26:34.760 And there's a difference between that and like feeling like you just opened up a hustler centerfold.

01:26:39.140 Like, wow.

01:26:39.580 That's exactly right.

01:26:40.440 And that's what it feels like.

01:26:41.580 And that right now, culture feels like a hustler centerfold.

01:26:43.780 OK, so now you really do have to worry about it because you're a mother and that does make

01:26:49.120 you look at the world in a different way and a much more, you know, like, OK, now I actually

01:26:53.080 have to do something about things.

01:26:54.380 It's not just about me and what could happen to me, but I have legal responsibility for this

01:26:59.460 new person.

01:27:01.720 And we talked about that a little bit while you were pregnant.

01:27:04.540 Are you how is it like are you still drowning in the new period of motherhood to be thinking

01:27:09.520 that way or are you starting to think that way?

01:27:11.120 Well, I will tell you, it feels like I didn't get much of a period of, you know, not being

01:27:16.100 immersed fully in what's going on because I had to get right back to work.

01:27:20.080 But what I will say is that I remember speaking to Ali Stuckey, who's a wonderful podcaster,

01:27:25.120 and she said that that motherhood softened her.

01:27:28.520 And I remember talking about it.

01:27:29.500 She's like, motherhood will soften you.

01:27:30.820 And I think everyone should have kids because it softens you in the right ways.

01:27:33.860 And again, I'm having the exact opposite experience where it's hardened me because now it's

01:27:38.420 like, you know, before we can talk about this stuff, Megan, and it's like, I didn't have

01:27:42.880 a kid.

01:27:43.560 So it's like, I'm saying what I think is morally correct.

01:27:46.340 Well, now the stakes are a whole hell of a lot higher because I have a child.

01:27:50.600 So these conversations feel much more weighted when I'm talking about culture, when I'm talking

01:27:55.400 about the LGBT agenda in the school.

01:27:57.440 And it's like, is my child going to grow up in the same America that I grew up in?

01:28:00.680 Um, and so I'm much more tethered to that question and that reality that these conversations that

01:28:05.900 we're having, uh, they're very important and the consequences of these discussions will

01:28:10.960 be severe depending on what we land upon in society.

01:28:14.560 So how are you doing it?

01:28:16.020 I look back when, when I first, when I started the Kelly file, 2013, I had had Thatcher.

01:28:21.040 I went back after nine weeks and I had a three-year-old when he was born.

01:28:26.180 I had a three-year-old, a two-year-old, and then came Thatcher because, uh, Yates is like

01:28:31.040 just, just under four years older, um, than Thatcher.

01:28:34.860 Anyway, my point is three really young kids.

01:28:36.960 I go back to work and I was emotional.

01:28:42.020 I mean, you still have a lot of hormones raging in your body, whether you want to have

01:28:44.960 them or not.

01:28:46.160 Um, there were definitely some tears and I had to go out there and do battle every night.

01:28:50.660 And it was, it was bizarre for me because I was out of the home.

01:28:53.920 Um, so back at home, there was Doug, my husband, and what I now refer to as Downton Abbey, because

01:29:00.400 we had to get, we had a nanny, we had a part-time babysitter, um, and we had a housekeeper.

01:29:06.680 Yes, I'll admit it.

01:29:07.420 I don't, I'd like to people to know that I had to staff it up because I don't want people

01:29:11.340 to think I just, Oh, I just managed it all on my own.

01:29:13.740 Oh, bullshit.

01:29:14.460 I had money and I spent it.

01:29:16.360 Um, so how are you doing it now?

01:29:18.380 And are you having any of that emotional, you know, pull?

01:29:21.620 You know, I haven't had the time to stop and be emotional.

01:29:26.040 I will say that, um, which in a way I think kind of just put one foot in front of the other

01:29:30.240 and go kind of helps just get back right, right back on the horse, you know, and the first

01:29:33.720 couple of days, you're kind of in a haze, you're like, how the hell am I going to do

01:29:36.280 this?

01:29:36.480 But because I had this sort of hard stop, I had to start my new show.

01:29:39.840 I kind of just got right back on the horse.

01:29:41.260 But, uh, to what you just said, 1000%, let me tell you when the baby nurse, we, the

01:29:46.700 first couple of months shouldn't have a baby nurse, the third, you know, kind of now going

01:29:50.220 into the third month, we do, we finally got help this last, um, three weeks.

01:29:54.040 And my goodness, being able to sleep at night is a privilege.

01:30:00.620 It's like, you know, honestly, I, I beginning, we were like, Oh, it's just, you know, it's

01:30:04.000 expensive, you know, to have baby nurses, you know, where I live, it's about $25 an hour.

01:30:08.640 And, but let me tell you, like, I think they could have forced me to pay $200 an hour for

01:30:13.400 those, you know, I would have picked up a second job on the weekends, uh, to be able to afford

01:30:20.440 a baby nurse because, you know, it is a sign of it's privilege, uh, you know, to be able

01:30:24.320 to do that.

01:30:24.640 But, you know, it's not because I'm just staying home at all home all day, doing nothing.

01:30:27.840 It's because I have to get up and I have to work.

01:30:30.080 Um, so, you know, we've been fortunate enough that we were able to have that help as well.

01:30:33.120 And, but I, I started pretending that things were normal and every week it feels more and more

01:30:38.140 normal.

01:30:38.640 So I kind of just got right back on the horse.

01:30:41.080 That's good.

01:30:41.880 That's good.

01:30:42.440 I mean, I, I agree with you.

01:30:43.820 I had a baby nurse too.

01:30:44.920 People, people outside of like the main cities are like, what the hell is a baby nurse?

01:30:48.220 And, and basically I think it's the, it's like the paid grandmother, you know, it's like

01:30:52.880 a lot of us living.

01:30:55.200 Yeah.

01:30:55.480 Cause like I, my mom was too old to, to be the person who came and helped overnight with

01:30:59.580 a baby that it was out of the question.

01:31:01.100 Same with Doug's mom, frankly.

01:31:02.820 And so it was like, well, if you want extra help, what are you going to do?

01:31:05.480 Cause you don't have anybody else living in your house.

01:31:07.100 I got you, you got her husband and you both would like to be well-rested, especially as

01:31:11.780 you go on and have more kids because they need you too.

01:31:14.180 So you gotta be, you gotta have some, some gas in the tank.

01:31:16.960 Anyway, um, our lady came at 11 PM and she left at 7 AM.

01:31:21.200 And a lot of my friends are like, Oh, but you know, you want to nurse the baby.

01:31:24.240 I'm like, I nursed the baby, but the baby nurse would get the baby and bring the baby

01:31:29.680 to me.

01:31:30.180 And then I'd nurse the baby.

01:31:31.360 And if the baby had like a forever long crying spell, I'd do some, some time, but

01:31:35.600 there'd be some relief.

01:31:36.640 I could give the baby to the baby nurse.

01:31:38.820 And she was like an angel and really helped her.

01:31:40.900 And that, you know, this is yet another one of the things you get judged for.

01:31:44.080 Yeah.

01:31:44.440 I don't even wake up for the nursing.

01:31:46.640 I, I, I do bottles during the night.

01:31:48.300 I literally sleep at night and I pump, give the nurse, baby nurse, the bottles.

01:31:53.040 And I can actually sleep those eight hours.

01:31:54.780 It makes me a better person.

01:31:55.860 It makes me a better wife and it makes me a better mother to be able to sleep.

01:31:59.660 So there's, and by the way, there's so much mommy shame.

01:32:02.060 It's just all bullcrap, you know, you know, every, every mother is doing something different.

01:32:06.780 You have people that are stay at home and, and I don't even need to admonish that it's

01:32:10.020 very hard.

01:32:10.580 If you're a stay at home mom and you've got four kids, your job might be tougher than

01:32:13.620 mine having to get to work.

01:32:14.780 But, you know, so I, I nurse and I pump, I do a combination and, and getting those hours

01:32:19.520 to sleep genuinely just makes me a better person.

01:32:21.900 So it is what I do.

01:32:23.780 It's not what everyone does, but.

01:32:24.960 I had a baby nurse with all three of my kids.

01:32:27.140 We've had a nanny since my first son was born.

01:32:30.140 My kids and I are totally in love with one another.

01:32:33.380 Our relationship is 100% intact.

01:32:36.320 Like, don't let anybody shame you at it.

01:32:37.960 Like get the help you need.

01:32:38.860 If you can afford it, it's a luxury.

01:32:40.960 If you can't afford it, try to find a family member or a friend or somebody, you know, if

01:32:44.660 you can't.

01:32:45.180 Like I, there's no reason to shame women out of doing what works for them.

01:32:50.320 I mean, that's, that's the thing that pisses me off about like, so I used IVF for all three

01:32:53.820 of my kids and I had a C-section with all my kids and it was awesome.

01:32:57.140 I don't feel guilty.

01:32:59.100 I still have three babies.

01:33:00.440 It counts.

01:33:01.440 Even if you do it by IVF and you have C-sections and I won't be shamed by any of these weird

01:33:07.040 feminazis who think if you're not breastfeeding your child till five, you're a bad mother.

01:33:11.940 Right.

01:33:13.060 I mean, the feminazi culture is, is so dangerous and it's so backwards and it's again, not

01:33:17.340 feminist because you should be supporting women in whatever capacity works for them.

01:33:20.860 Everybody said that my sister had to have an emergency C-section and she couldn't nurse

01:33:24.340 and she felt so much guilt about that.

01:33:26.100 You know, I was fortunate that I could nurse, um, you know, but I was never, I never in my

01:33:29.880 head said, I'm not going to use formula if I needed to.

01:33:33.020 I haven't needed it, but if I needed it, I would have done it.

01:33:35.680 Um, everything's different and people, women should just, you know, support one another because

01:33:38.940 we all know how difficult it is.

01:33:40.240 We all know how those first weeks are.

01:33:42.020 And when you're the only person the baby needs and the husband can't really help because you're

01:33:45.880 it, you need, baby needs you.

01:33:47.680 Um, and you know, we got through it and we're blessed and we have no regrets about anything

01:33:51.580 that we've done.

01:33:52.160 And by the way, in regards to the privilege of being able to afford, you know, babysitter,

01:33:55.700 nanny, uh, uh, housekeeper or whatever it is, I worked my butt off before I had a child.

01:34:01.000 I did things the right way.

01:34:02.220 I, you know, I wanted to save up, uh, because I knew that because my career was important to me that

01:34:06.540 I wanted to be able to say, you know what, I can afford a baby nurse if I need one.

01:34:10.760 So I have no shame about that either.

01:34:12.080 Hard work pays off.

01:34:13.180 Same, same.

01:34:14.320 I, I have no regrets, but I do think it's important to talk about it.

01:34:17.040 Cause it's like, I don't, I don't like it.

01:34:18.640 Women are like, Oh, six children in a full-time job.

01:34:20.740 And I just managed.

01:34:21.520 Oh, bullshit.

01:34:22.140 You got help.

01:34:22.840 No, you had help.

01:34:23.880 Yeah.

01:34:24.280 So speaking of work and the new show, how is it going?

01:34:28.400 So now we've had the big reveal.

01:34:30.060 You've joined the daily wire.

01:34:31.620 You're working with our mutual friend, Ben and moved to Nashville and are doing like

01:34:38.100 a, I don't want to say softer show, but admit like a little softer, more, some more human

01:34:42.500 interest topics and more, we learn more about you.

01:34:45.860 Um, and it, it's lighter at times and funnier.

01:34:48.760 And like, I just feel like we get more of the real Candace, but yeah, tell me how you view

01:34:53.400 it and why, why you made the move.

01:34:55.940 Yeah, it's absolutely right.

01:34:57.220 It is softer because the media has done this really good job of creating this care for chores.

01:35:01.620 Which is like, I'm always angry, but I always have to be on the defense because I have people

01:35:05.340 sending me Klansman hoods because they just don't understand how I could be black and be

01:35:08.920 a Republican.

01:35:09.940 Um, but I'm, you know, much more lighthearted in my day-to-day life.

01:35:12.840 I'm always joking.

01:35:14.100 You know, me and my sisters, we come from a family of a lot of humor.

01:35:16.700 We're always cracking jokes.

01:35:18.680 Um, and I wanted people to really see who I am.

01:35:21.640 And I, I am a fighter at times and I'm definitely the person that if you challenge me on what I

01:35:26.780 believe to be morally correct and true, I'm willing, you know, to lock horns about something.

01:35:30.860 But I also like to, I think the best way to teach people is to have a sense of humor,

01:35:34.700 um, and to more than anything, be able to give women advice and to give young people

01:35:40.940 advice who are growing up in this increasingly toxic world.

01:35:43.580 So, you know, this is sort of my advice column meets a panel meets, you know, hard hitting

01:35:48.880 interviews and always, uh, you know, there's, there's always a bit of fun.

01:35:52.860 Uh, and so I, it's, it's really, it really do describe it as all of the pieces of me.

01:35:56.780 I write everything for the show.

01:35:58.500 All the content is mine.

01:36:00.060 Um, you know, so this is not like I'm being produced and they're saying, just go.

01:36:04.200 It really is a collaborative process.

01:36:05.720 And I'm informing each and every episode about topics that I think need to be covered because

01:36:10.200 they're relevant.

01:36:11.560 See, I, I of course understand the need to do something that just embraces more of your

01:36:16.680 personality and isn't all hard edges.

01:36:19.080 And my only piece of advice to you would be do not hire anyone from NBC to produce your

01:36:23.720 show.

01:36:27.080 Don't let them make you cook.

01:36:29.320 Yeah.

01:36:30.440 You know, that's so funny.

01:36:31.880 They did initially the first episode, they said, we should get you to do a cooking segment.

01:36:35.600 And I went, what?

01:36:38.240 That's what I said.

01:36:39.120 And then before I knew it, there I was.

01:36:43.040 I was like, my viewers and followers are like, why is this cooking?

01:36:47.520 And I just absolutely not.

01:36:48.700 It's not me.

01:36:49.360 So now I nixed that idea right away.

01:36:51.440 I don't know why people love the cooking segment so much, but, uh, not for me.

01:36:54.760 I cook at home, but that's the thing.

01:36:57.000 So like when I was doing an NBC and I, I made no pretense of the fact that I didn't

01:37:01.040 know what, what the hell I was doing.

01:37:02.360 And, um, but those segments, as much as I didn't really love doing them rated, they rated

01:37:07.300 through the roof.

01:37:07.960 People like to see that stuff.

01:37:09.200 So in the end, it's like, all right, you know, the shows you, you're trying to look,

01:37:12.620 put numbers on the board.

01:37:13.580 So you'll do what rates, but don't, don't do it.

01:37:16.080 Candace, you can't get those moments back.

01:37:18.800 So, but you sound like you're enjoying it.

01:37:20.620 Are you enjoying it?

01:37:21.500 Yeah.

01:37:22.140 Yeah.

01:37:22.380 I'm loving it, you know, because it's just having that creative control and doing something that I

01:37:26.100 feel is so relevant, you know, diving into culture and, and creating a show that's for

01:37:30.160 conservatives and not done at the expense of conservatives.

01:37:32.420 Like all of the other late night shows are just, Oh, we're going to make fun of conservatives

01:37:35.820 for an hour straight.

01:37:36.960 And yet we have more than half of the country that disagrees with that narrative.

01:37:40.100 And so I'm for them, you know, I am for having meaningful discussions, being willing to talk

01:37:44.620 about the truth and actually trying public solutions, you know, being unapologetic in my,

01:37:48.600 in my approach, which is to just be a truth teller and let the pieces fall where they may.

01:37:53.380 But now you're, you're more hard hitting news show.

01:37:57.340 That's still living.

01:37:58.400 Yes.

01:37:59.840 Uh, I've never did a hard hitting news show.

01:38:02.100 I had my podcast and I'm not doing that anymore.

01:38:05.340 Yeah.

01:38:06.060 Yeah.

01:38:06.280 I'm not doing that anymore.

01:38:07.360 I always get the notifications on PragerU.

01:38:10.120 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:11.200 So I've stopped my PragerU show, but daily wire has eaten the catalog and I'm instead bringing

01:38:16.660 those people on for the interview segments of my daily wire show.

01:38:19.940 Is it five nights a week or how often is, how often can we see you?

01:38:22.660 So we're starting at once a week on Fridays at nine o'clock PM, and then we're going to

01:38:27.200 scale up starting next year.

01:38:28.600 So we just want to sort of really nail down the format of the show and then scale up.

01:38:33.440 That's awesome.

01:38:34.320 Well, that's, that's a reasonable workload for right now.

01:38:37.520 Cause you know, you're so active, I know, and I'll, you know, reading the news and tweeting

01:38:40.200 about the news and thinking about it.

01:38:42.040 So even, you know, just the one, the one time a week with a new baby is plenty.

01:38:46.220 And, uh, look forward to watching it grow.

01:38:49.780 And I know it's going to succeed.

01:38:51.960 Just wishing you all the best.

01:38:53.500 Thank you so much.

01:38:54.000 And we can't wait to have you on the show.

01:38:55.520 We're definitely going to get you.

01:38:57.560 Anytime, anytime.

01:38:58.720 I'd love to.

01:38:59.160 We can talk more about our, our chest feeding and our vaginas.

01:39:04.700 Perfect segment.

01:39:05.580 See you soon.

01:39:08.560 Thank you so much.

01:39:09.580 Have a good one.

01:39:13.460 Our thanks to the one and only Candace Owens.

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01:39:22.820 social commentary, which is really what comedians do if they're any good at their job.

01:39:27.340 And, um, the guy coming on next is Chris DiStefano.

01:39:31.520 He's a good friend actually of, uh, Andrew Schultz who came on the program recently, who was

01:39:35.340 hilarious.

01:39:35.980 And what we've seen when we first were talking about, you know, putting on comedians and

01:39:40.040 having conversations with them, I was like, wait, is it, is it an okay thing to do in

01:39:43.800 the midst of a pandemic and race discussions and so on?

01:39:47.580 What can I tell you?

01:39:48.420 Those shows are so well-received and the downloads are so huge.

01:39:52.420 And what I've realized is people are dying for a chance to laugh, you know, like that.

01:39:58.600 I think the need to laugh is greater now than it's been in a long time.

01:40:01.640 So it's fun talking to these guys who have sharp opinions on what's happening to America

01:40:06.580 and, you know, our world, but are sort of a reminder, a living, walking, laughing reminder

01:40:13.220 that it's important to keep your sense of humor about it.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 05, 2021

Candace Owens on the Derek Chauvin Trial, Motherhood, and Cardi B ｜ Ep. 85

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