The Megyn Kelly Show - Candace Owens on Victimhood, Trump, and the Police

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.460 Hey everybody, it's Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.300 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.020 Today, loved, hated, never ignored.

00:00:48.720 Candace Owens.

00:00:50.600 She has been pilloried, pilloried by the left,

00:00:53.780 called every name in the book,

00:00:55.800 but she does not care.

00:00:58.380 She is trying to reach out to the black community,

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00:02:47.700 Candice Owens, so glad to have you here.

00:02:50.280 Thank you for having me.

00:02:51.760 My pleasure.

00:02:53.000 Honestly, I've been listening to you for so long

00:02:55.860 and just watching what's been happening to you in your career,

00:02:59.640 and then also the incoming that you take with such grace,

00:03:03.140 and there's a lot I want to go over.

00:03:04.800 Can we start with this, COVID and Trump?

00:03:08.760 Because at the time we're talking now,

00:03:11.400 Trump's, of course, receiving yet more backlash

00:03:14.600 over his comments on COVID

00:03:16.420 because he had the temerity to say,

00:03:18.560 don't be afraid of COVID.

00:03:20.580 Don't let it dominate your life.

00:03:22.600 And the media has responded by calling him

00:03:26.160 disgusting, dangerous, irresponsible, and so on.

00:03:32.320 Your thoughts on it?

00:03:33.720 Yeah, the media loves to categorize people as dangerous

00:03:37.040 for saying things that should be common sense.

00:03:40.300 Fear should never be the thing,

00:03:43.000 the mechanism that is controlling you day in and day out.

00:03:45.640 And we have a lot of viruses.

00:03:47.660 This is humanity.

00:03:48.760 We have a lot of viruses, new viruses, old viruses

00:03:51.100 that we have learned to cope with,

00:03:52.700 that we are going to have to learn to cope with.

00:03:55.000 And this is unusual in a sense

00:03:56.860 that it almost seems as if the media wants people

00:04:00.020 to be fearful, that they want to have this virus

00:04:03.620 as a way to control the way people think,

00:04:05.700 the way people act.

00:04:06.760 And Trump is right.

00:04:07.620 And I tweeted actually this morning

00:04:09.160 that I think the left and the media

00:04:11.340 are categorically misunderstanding Americans.

00:04:14.960 Early on, back in February and March,

00:04:17.320 there was a fear that was palpable in the air.

00:04:19.840 Now I sense a frustration

00:04:21.680 and that Trump is going to be on the right side

00:04:23.880 of this thing in a couple of weeks

00:04:25.440 when Americans said to the polls,

00:04:26.720 people want their schools to be reopened.

00:04:28.720 They want their jobs back.

00:04:29.880 They want their lives resumed.

00:04:31.720 They're understanding that the lockdowns

00:04:33.360 are causing a lot of deaths, a lot of suicides.

00:04:37.000 And I think I agree with him wholeheartedly.

00:04:39.980 And I think that the Democrats will pay

00:04:42.860 for standing on the Lockdown America Forever

00:04:44.820 and Wear a Mask platform at the polls.

00:04:47.260 What about the, what the other side will point out

00:04:50.840 is that the American people do support mandatory masks,

00:04:55.300 that they're with Joe Biden

00:04:57.920 when it comes to these mandatory masks,

00:05:00.160 you know, across the country from state to state.

00:05:03.300 It's simply not true.

00:05:04.680 And I think the greatest example

00:05:06.380 that we can point to to take a look at that

00:05:07.880 is look what happened

00:05:08.740 when Governor Ron DeSantis lifted the mandates.

00:05:12.820 People were pouring into the bars.

00:05:14.840 It's the same thing that happened, I live in Washington, D.C.

00:05:17.960 As soon as the lockdowns stopped,

00:05:19.760 even before they started, people were out.

00:05:22.420 They miss one another.

00:05:24.000 There's no substitute for human contact.

00:05:26.600 And I think that people are happy to play the game

00:05:29.160 for a little bit when it comes to their safety,

00:05:31.440 but long-term telling people

00:05:32.840 that they cannot see their relatives,

00:05:34.540 they cannot bury their relatives.

00:05:36.460 I'm currently pregnant, six and a half months pregnant.

00:05:39.380 My husband has not been able to attend

00:05:40.620 a single appointment with me

00:05:41.920 because of COVID-19 restrictions.

00:05:44.440 So once again, I think that they are

00:05:46.500 misunderstanding Americans

00:05:48.260 and Americans crave human connection.

00:05:50.880 And that's what we're starting to see now.

00:05:52.860 You look amazing, by the way.

00:05:54.340 Congratulations.

00:05:55.040 So excited for you guys.

00:05:57.960 When I look at the polls,

00:05:59.180 because I looked a little deeper

00:06:00.120 in the mask mandates,

00:06:01.600 thinking I was surprised to see these numbers

00:06:04.300 that as upwards of 70%

00:06:06.540 are in favor of these mandatory masks,

00:06:09.200 you know, the mandates.

00:06:09.920 And it looks like it does break down

00:06:12.480 largely along party lines

00:06:13.680 that Republicans are against them

00:06:15.060 and Democrats are for them.

00:06:16.940 And obviously Trump is a Republican

00:06:18.920 and is trying to appeal to the Republican base.

00:06:21.200 But what do you think is going to happen

00:06:22.780 if Joe Biden gets in there?

00:06:24.920 What kind of leadership do we get on Corona?

00:06:27.200 I'm sure he will fan the flames of fear.

00:06:29.620 But what happens in the country

00:06:30.920 when it comes to dealing with this thing?

00:06:33.020 That's a really scary question to ask

00:06:35.500 because he's not only all in on the mask mandates,

00:06:38.560 he's now using it as a prop.

00:06:40.780 He just recently tweeted a photo

00:06:42.000 of him wearing a mask

00:06:43.000 and saying to everyone,

00:06:44.460 wear a mask, it saves lives.

00:06:46.360 And he has been pretty open about the fact

00:06:48.460 that he favors a mask mandate.

00:06:50.900 So what I see happening is,

00:06:53.100 unfortunately, a bit of civil unrest

00:06:55.220 in that people will just refuse to do it.

00:06:58.000 And the only way you're going to get

00:07:00.580 330 million people,

00:07:02.700 you know, to abide by a policy like that

00:07:06.720 is with force.

00:07:08.340 It kind of relates in some ways,

00:07:10.060 not perfectly,

00:07:11.120 but to the attitudes we're having

00:07:13.560 about safe spaces

00:07:14.720 when it comes to political discourse

00:07:16.860 or just any discourse,

00:07:18.300 cultural discourse, you name it,

00:07:19.880 where there is a strong faction

00:07:21.940 within the Democratic Party

00:07:23.020 that believes you just,

00:07:24.740 you're not allowed to say certain things

00:07:26.460 because it makes someone feel, quote,

00:07:28.120 unsafe.

00:07:28.680 And feeling it all, quote,

00:07:30.480 unsafe is totally unacceptable

00:07:32.480 in 2020 America.

00:07:34.200 Whereas I think most Republicans

00:07:35.680 or even independents feel like

00:07:38.220 we're not about safe spaces

00:07:39.980 here in the United States.

00:07:41.000 We're about risk taking,

00:07:42.640 dealing with the consequences of that, right?

00:07:44.480 We deal with responsibility

00:07:46.000 that comes with our own choices.

00:07:48.200 And the response to that

00:07:49.820 with respect to Corona has been,

00:07:52.100 screw you,

00:07:52.960 your choices could end my life.

00:07:55.440 But now the data is proving

00:07:56.800 the risk of that is very small.

00:07:58.880 And my choices could end

00:07:59.840 somebody's life on any given day,

00:08:01.340 right behind the wheel of a car,

00:08:02.980 out on the street

00:08:03.920 if I behave irresponsibly

00:08:05.140 on a bicycle

00:08:06.380 or in front of a car.

00:08:08.140 And I just wonder

00:08:09.000 how long it's going to take

00:08:10.300 before people relax

00:08:13.000 and we can at least attempt

00:08:15.300 some semblance of normalcy.

00:08:17.960 That question depends upon the media.

00:08:20.660 What we're seeing happening

00:08:21.880 is a psychological conditioning

00:08:23.320 like we've never seen before.

00:08:25.040 When have you ever,

00:08:25.760 and you have a very long career

00:08:28.080 in the media,

00:08:29.240 have you ever seen the media

00:08:30.260 do a death ticker for anything?

00:08:32.440 I mean, could you imagine

00:08:33.360 if every day the media

00:08:34.700 ran a death ticker

00:08:35.540 for how many times

00:08:36.880 people got into a car accident?

00:08:38.600 And would you ever get in your car

00:08:39.780 if you saw those numbers

00:08:41.040 climbing every single day?

00:08:42.760 Yeah, or the flu.

00:08:43.600 Any of these things

00:08:44.960 and people don't realize

00:08:45.760 how unique it is

00:08:46.660 that the media is participating in this

00:08:48.420 by creating a death ticker

00:08:50.300 every single day that goes up.

00:08:51.840 It's causing people

00:08:52.860 to be psychologically damaged.

00:08:54.240 And I've seen this before.

00:08:55.680 People are fearful

00:08:56.560 to be around their kids,

00:08:58.460 their husbands,

00:08:59.200 their mothers,

00:08:59.780 their fathers,

00:09:00.300 and they're angry

00:09:01.460 when they find out

00:09:02.340 that people are not fearful.

00:09:04.280 How dare you go see

00:09:05.380 your 80-year-old mother

00:09:06.740 when COVID-19 is breaking out

00:09:08.820 as if an 80-year-old

00:09:09.700 doesn't have the agency

00:09:10.840 to make their own decisions

00:09:12.780 and it's somehow

00:09:13.800 the responsibility

00:09:14.500 of the government

00:09:15.180 to keep them safe

00:09:16.220 when it's not.

00:09:17.540 And to go back

00:09:18.580 to your comment

00:09:19.060 about this being along party lines,

00:09:20.920 it makes sense.

00:09:21.660 As we've seen the left

00:09:22.740 sort of make a push

00:09:23.820 towards socialism.

00:09:25.480 What is socialism

00:09:26.340 if not the ultimate

00:09:27.680 government overreach?

00:09:29.300 If it's not the ultimate

00:09:30.280 government expansion,

00:09:31.760 believing that the government

00:09:32.560 should offer a solution

00:09:34.020 for practically everything

00:09:35.240 and control our every move.

00:09:37.000 So it makes total sense to me

00:09:38.900 that we're seeing

00:09:39.540 that division across party lines.

00:09:41.280 The media doesn't want

00:09:42.740 to provide context

00:09:44.100 on the coronavirus

00:09:45.640 in my experience.

00:09:46.880 I haven't trusted them

00:09:47.620 from the beginning

00:09:48.260 and with good reason.

00:09:50.460 They don't deserve our trust.

00:09:51.800 They don't.

00:09:52.640 They've lied to us

00:09:53.340 about so many different things

00:09:54.800 and tried to virtue signal

00:09:55.880 on so many different things

00:09:56.960 and they are at their least credible,

00:09:59.880 their least credible

00:10:01.020 when the story could be bad

00:10:02.860 for President Trump.

00:10:04.000 And this was obviously

00:10:05.940 such a story

00:10:06.480 right from the beginning.

00:10:07.480 And by the way,

00:10:08.000 it has been bad for Trump

00:10:09.040 and remains so.

00:10:10.320 We're a month out

00:10:11.260 from an election.

00:10:12.060 So, you know,

00:10:12.560 we don't know how they're

00:10:13.220 going to change the coverage

00:10:14.080 after November 3rd,

00:10:15.580 but they are not to be trusted.

00:10:18.140 So all along,

00:10:19.340 I've had difficulty

00:10:20.220 knowing who to trust.

00:10:21.260 I think a lot of people have.

00:10:22.800 I want to ask you, though,

00:10:24.040 because you make the point

00:10:24.720 about the media

00:10:25.280 and sort of pumping it.

00:10:26.780 And all I can think is

00:10:28.400 the same is true

00:10:29.620 on the on the police

00:10:31.440 killings of black men

00:10:33.540 narrative,

00:10:34.960 because the facts

00:10:36.460 do not support

00:10:37.700 LeBron James's tweet

00:10:39.380 that black men

00:10:40.800 are being hunted

00:10:41.540 by police every day

00:10:43.680 in the streets of America.

00:10:44.960 But the media

00:10:46.340 every election year

00:10:48.240 chooses one case.

00:10:50.320 And I grant you

00:10:51.300 the George Floyd tape

00:10:52.420 was awful,

00:10:53.020 but they choose one case.

00:10:54.940 They blow it up

00:10:56.340 and they fan the flames

00:10:58.240 of a narrative

00:10:59.000 about police writ large

00:11:00.600 that isn't true.

00:11:02.900 Right.

00:11:03.560 If the media

00:11:04.160 had any interest

00:11:05.340 in the truth,

00:11:06.120 then LeBron James

00:11:07.140 would be making a statement

00:11:08.120 that police officers

00:11:09.460 are literally being hunted

00:11:10.880 by black men

00:11:11.700 because we know

00:11:12.620 that they're 18 and a half

00:11:13.920 times more likely

00:11:14.800 to be shot by a black man

00:11:16.140 than the other way around.

00:11:17.800 We also know that white men,

00:11:19.460 when you look at the rates,

00:11:20.380 are killed at a higher rate

00:11:22.160 than black men

00:11:23.320 by police officers.

00:11:24.860 And yet we don't know

00:11:25.560 any of the names

00:11:26.380 of a black person,

00:11:27.480 of a white person

00:11:28.660 or Hispanic man

00:11:29.660 unarmed that was killed

00:11:30.480 by police.

00:11:31.260 We could right now

00:11:32.280 name several black men

00:11:33.880 that more than several,

00:11:34.960 dozens of black men

00:11:35.820 that were shot and killed

00:11:36.640 unarmed by police officers,

00:11:37.760 but we can't do it

00:11:38.460 about any other race

00:11:39.460 because the media

00:11:41.200 is not interested

00:11:41.980 in presenting the truth.

00:11:43.740 They're interested

00:11:44.300 in inciting a race war.

00:11:46.320 And they've been

00:11:46.740 largely successful

00:11:47.880 in that,

00:11:48.640 you know,

00:11:48.880 beginning in the 2015,

00:11:50.800 2016 election years.

00:11:52.700 And they've gotten,

00:11:53.700 now it seems,

00:11:54.920 it's become an obsession.

00:11:56.620 And they know

00:11:57.580 that they're causing unrest.

00:11:59.020 They know that they are,

00:12:00.220 in the end,

00:12:00.740 ultimately hurting

00:12:01.780 black Americans

00:12:02.600 with this narrative.

00:12:04.120 Black,

00:12:04.300 informed black Americans

00:12:05.240 die in these riots

00:12:06.460 and these protests

00:12:07.360 and Black Lives Matter

00:12:08.440 demonstrations.

00:12:10.100 And they don't care

00:12:11.060 because what it is about,

00:12:13.140 what it is for the media

00:12:14.060 and the election year

00:12:14.800 is to create

00:12:15.360 the most possible unrest

00:12:17.060 and then to turn it around

00:12:18.620 and to blame it

00:12:19.680 on the president.

00:12:20.800 And that's what we're seeing.

00:12:21.800 And that's something

00:12:22.400 that I fight day in

00:12:23.680 and day out

00:12:24.260 to awaken black Americans to,

00:12:26.400 that we really are

00:12:27.200 just being political,

00:12:28.260 being used

00:12:28.940 as political pawns.

00:12:30.920 Well, that's,

00:12:31.420 I mean,

00:12:32.580 Coleman Hughes,

00:12:33.520 who I'm sure you know,

00:12:34.540 he's amazing.

00:12:35.880 He's a lefty.

00:12:37.300 I mean,

00:12:37.520 he's a liberal,

00:12:38.500 so he's in a unique spot

00:12:40.260 because he's a black liberal

00:12:42.560 who's been challenging

00:12:44.040 this narrative.

00:12:45.380 I guess it's not that surprising

00:12:46.780 to hear some Republicans

00:12:47.740 challenge the narrative,

00:12:48.740 but he's a liberal

00:12:49.960 who's been trying

00:12:50.540 to take an honest look at this.

00:12:52.060 And he's been pointing out

00:12:53.160 the case of Tommy Timba,

00:12:54.940 a white guy

00:12:55.860 who had nearly

00:12:57.340 the exact same thing

00:12:58.460 happened to him

00:12:59.140 that happened to George Floyd.

00:13:00.380 And no one knows his name.

00:13:03.000 No one.

00:13:03.780 There may be some bias

00:13:04.940 in policing

00:13:05.760 when it comes to

00:13:07.360 interactions

00:13:09.200 short of

00:13:10.340 killing, right?

00:13:11.680 There's no other way

00:13:12.560 to put it,

00:13:12.980 but manhandling

00:13:14.300 and stopping on the street

00:13:15.620 and profiling.

00:13:16.940 And there have been

00:13:18.040 so many

00:13:18.880 black men

00:13:20.060 and testimonials

00:13:21.040 about their

00:13:21.660 negative encounters

00:13:22.920 with the cops

00:13:23.580 where there's an assumption

00:13:24.720 right from the get-go

00:13:25.500 that the black man

00:13:26.420 is a criminal

00:13:27.120 and they're roughed up

00:13:28.620 and it creates

00:13:29.660 a resentment.

00:13:30.920 What do you think of that?

00:13:32.800 So I don't have

00:13:33.800 those statistics

00:13:34.340 in front of me,

00:13:34.940 but what I do know

00:13:36.080 is an important question

00:13:37.800 to ask is,

00:13:38.700 is it biased

00:13:39.820 if it's based in reality?

00:13:41.740 And what I mean by that

00:13:42.660 is we know

00:13:43.180 that black Americans

00:13:44.420 are,

00:13:45.300 if you're looking

00:13:45.940 at the statistics,

00:13:47.140 we are a more violent group

00:13:48.340 and people don't like

00:13:49.740 to hear that

00:13:50.180 because it's the truth,

00:13:51.240 right?

00:13:51.500 So people don't like

00:13:52.300 to hear that

00:13:52.820 we represent

00:13:53.420 13% of the population

00:13:55.280 and yet account

00:13:55.880 for about 40%

00:13:56.960 of all the murders

00:13:57.780 in this country.

00:13:58.940 If you look at

00:13:59.500 armed robbery,

00:14:00.220 if you look at

00:14:00.600 violent crimes,

00:14:01.520 black Americans

00:14:02.100 are committing

00:14:02.840 all of these things

00:14:04.520 at an alarming rate

00:14:05.420 much higher

00:14:06.140 than white people.

00:14:07.780 And that is

00:14:08.560 a true discussion,

00:14:09.840 a meaningful discussion

00:14:10.680 that should be had.

00:14:11.880 You know,

00:14:12.060 we can talk about

00:14:12.760 why,

00:14:13.220 we can build upon that

00:14:14.180 and maybe get

00:14:15.660 to some truer answers,

00:14:16.680 but people won't

00:14:17.280 at first acknowledge that.

00:14:18.780 So if you are

00:14:19.260 a police officer

00:14:20.260 and you are policing

00:14:21.240 in an inner city

00:14:22.160 and you are having

00:14:23.480 a confrontation

00:14:24.140 with a black American,

00:14:25.600 especially amidst

00:14:27.700 the Black Lives Matter

00:14:29.100 movement,

00:14:29.680 where it seems that

00:14:30.500 from the videos

00:14:31.040 I'm seeing,

00:14:31.660 every time a black American

00:14:32.820 has any confrontation

00:14:34.240 with police officers now,

00:14:35.860 they're saying,

00:14:37.060 I can't breathe.

00:14:37.800 I can't breathe,

00:14:38.580 right?

00:14:38.840 I've seen these tapes

00:14:39.720 over and over again

00:14:40.620 because they realize

00:14:41.440 that there's a narrative

00:14:42.260 out there

00:14:43.460 that will support them

00:14:44.740 not listening

00:14:45.340 to police officers.

00:14:47.080 These are really

00:14:48.080 important questions

00:14:48.880 to ask.

00:14:49.900 Why are black Americans

00:14:51.300 killing at a higher rate

00:14:52.380 than white Americans?

00:14:53.060 Right?

00:14:54.140 Yeah.

00:14:54.860 I mean,

00:14:55.360 you do get in trouble.

00:14:56.660 The latest statistics

00:14:57.880 I saw was that

00:14:58.820 black Americans

00:15:00.620 or black men

00:15:01.380 are responsible

00:15:02.300 for 60% of the violent

00:15:03.620 crimes in our major cities.

00:15:05.580 That's correct.

00:15:07.020 There's a reason

00:15:07.880 they have more

00:15:08.760 interactions with police.

00:15:11.280 And you could say

00:15:12.120 that the police

00:15:13.040 are also sexist

00:15:14.480 because they're only

00:15:15.700 having these encounters

00:15:16.480 with men,

00:15:17.320 not with women.

00:15:18.520 But they're not

00:15:19.400 encountering the women.

00:15:20.700 The women aren't

00:15:21.440 committing the crimes.

00:15:22.280 So they have a much

00:15:23.320 lower likelihood

00:15:23.980 of having a negative

00:15:24.960 experience with a police officer.

00:15:27.140 But, you know,

00:15:27.460 what we're actually seeing

00:15:28.200 is that women

00:15:28.680 in the inner cities,

00:15:29.700 black women,

00:15:30.520 they want more police,

00:15:31.500 not less police.

00:15:32.440 They want,

00:15:33.000 they get nervous

00:15:33.660 when the police

00:15:34.200 get taken away

00:15:34.820 from their precincts

00:15:35.980 and their vestibules

00:15:37.660 of their buildings

00:15:38.320 because they know

00:15:39.100 crime is going to go up.

00:15:40.140 But no one,

00:15:41.140 I don't know, Candace,

00:15:42.020 it feels like people

00:15:42.720 don't care about

00:15:43.780 the women

00:15:44.300 and the children.

00:15:45.560 They're very focused

00:15:46.640 on the defendants

00:15:48.140 who resist arrest

00:15:49.360 and things go south.

00:15:51.560 And I say that

00:15:52.440 all the time

00:15:52.960 that there really

00:15:53.940 should be a movement

00:15:54.640 talking about

00:15:55.480 why people don't care

00:15:56.680 about these horrific

00:15:57.780 experiences that

00:15:58.820 minority women

00:15:59.580 are having with black men.

00:16:01.340 Jacob Blake would have

00:16:02.100 been a great time

00:16:02.740 to talk about that.

00:16:04.140 He had the cops

00:16:05.020 called on him

00:16:05.660 by a black woman.

00:16:07.640 This was a woman,

00:16:08.440 there was a warrant

00:16:09.040 out for Jacob Blake's

00:16:10.020 arrest for digitally

00:16:10.980 raping a woman,

00:16:12.560 digitally assaulting a woman

00:16:13.620 and a pretty horrific

00:16:15.160 story behind it

00:16:16.520 and nobody cared.

00:16:17.500 His name still got put

00:16:18.620 on the helmets

00:16:19.360 of NFL players.

00:16:20.940 Think about that.

00:16:21.740 Kamala Harris is out there

00:16:22.700 saying to him,

00:16:24.140 she's proud of him.

00:16:25.580 She was proud of him.

00:16:27.600 Mm-hmm.

00:16:28.440 The standard has been

00:16:29.340 so remarkably lowered

00:16:31.120 and people look past

00:16:32.380 these black women

00:16:33.160 that are speaking up,

00:16:33.920 these minority women

00:16:34.680 that are speaking up

00:16:35.360 and saying what happened.

00:16:36.580 People were horrified

00:16:37.580 when I retold the story

00:16:39.180 of what happened

00:16:39.860 with George Floyd

00:16:41.060 when he served

00:16:41.560 that longer sentence

00:16:42.580 for armed robbery,

00:16:44.360 pretending to be

00:16:45.180 a water man

00:16:45.940 and breaking into

00:16:46.660 a woman's house

00:16:47.340 while a small child

00:16:48.400 was there,

00:16:49.320 you know,

00:16:49.900 holding a barrel

00:16:50.560 of a bullet

00:16:51.300 to her stomach

00:16:52.340 and robbing the place.

00:16:54.020 Nobody cares about

00:16:54.800 that woman, though.

00:16:55.500 There's murals

00:16:56.100 painted a pin.

00:16:56.680 Nobody cares about

00:16:57.480 what she went through

00:16:58.260 and what it took

00:16:59.520 for her to stand trial

00:17:00.920 and to say,

00:17:01.820 yes, that is the man

00:17:03.100 that came into my home

00:17:04.140 and put a barrel

00:17:06.620 of a pistol

00:17:07.140 to my stomach.

00:17:07.940 Nobody cared about that.

00:17:09.180 Nobody cares about the truth

00:17:10.020 because they're obsessed

00:17:10.680 with the narrative

00:17:11.220 and the narrative

00:17:11.800 that they're obsessed with

00:17:12.880 is that white police officers

00:17:14.700 are running around

00:17:16.300 for no reason

00:17:17.180 harassing and killing

00:17:19.080 and stalking Black men

00:17:20.120 and unfortunately

00:17:20.740 none of that is true.

00:17:22.200 Well, what they'll say

00:17:22.940 about, at least

00:17:23.920 in the Jacob Blake case,

00:17:25.400 is what does that have to do

00:17:26.680 with a cop pumping

00:17:27.740 seven bullets

00:17:28.360 into his back?

00:17:29.440 Like, what does that

00:17:30.880 have to do with anything?

00:17:32.720 Yeah, and I think

00:17:33.380 what upsets me

00:17:34.100 is that what people

00:17:34.720 don't realize

00:17:35.320 is that in each

00:17:35.880 of these situations

00:17:36.760 you have Black men

00:17:38.480 that are resisting arrest

00:17:39.420 and another case in point

00:17:41.820 would be the

00:17:42.120 Rashard Jackson case

00:17:43.160 where we all got

00:17:43.580 to watch on tape

00:17:44.460 him, he was being treated

00:17:46.540 very kindly

00:17:47.120 by police officers

00:17:47.980 then starts physically

00:17:49.200 assaulting them

00:17:49.980 punching them in the face

00:17:51.120 grabs their taser

00:17:52.040 fires the taser

00:17:53.020 at the police officers

00:17:54.420 and then runs away

00:17:55.580 with the taser

00:17:56.140 and a police officer

00:17:56.860 shoots him in the back

00:17:57.680 and Rashard Brooks dies.

00:17:59.060 Nobody considers

00:17:59.740 that these police officers

00:18:00.820 have families

00:18:01.320 to go home to too.

00:18:02.800 Any individual

00:18:03.600 that is resisting arrest

00:18:05.060 with a police officer

00:18:06.600 and being violent

00:18:07.660 Jacob Blake heading toward

00:18:08.740 a knife is involved

00:18:11.680 Rashard Brooks

00:18:12.660 a taser is involved

00:18:13.740 you are realizing

00:18:15.060 people are failing

00:18:16.180 to realize

00:18:16.640 that police officers

00:18:17.720 lives are being put

00:18:18.840 at risk

00:18:19.300 and they're being told

00:18:20.420 it doesn't matter

00:18:21.060 it doesn't matter

00:18:21.660 I don't care

00:18:22.120 if you never see

00:18:22.760 your wife and kids again

00:18:23.740 you need to let

00:18:24.660 this dangerous criminal go

00:18:26.300 and that's problematic

00:18:27.680 you know

00:18:28.160 when we get to a point

00:18:28.840 in society

00:18:29.380 that we can no longer

00:18:30.800 agree on the left

00:18:31.720 and the right

00:18:32.140 between right and wrong

00:18:33.340 basic concepts

00:18:34.500 of rightness

00:18:35.240 and wrongness

00:18:36.140 it's scary

00:18:37.280 because these are not

00:18:38.540 things of a left

00:18:39.320 and the right

00:18:39.760 used to debate

00:18:40.480 nobody used to debate

00:18:41.700 whether or not

00:18:42.160 police officers

00:18:42.920 deserve a modicum

00:18:44.380 of respect

00:18:45.100 right

00:18:45.820 whether or not

00:18:46.480 you should listen

00:18:47.200 to police officers

00:18:48.320 regardless of your skin color

00:18:49.980 these are now matters

00:18:51.260 that are being debated

00:18:52.100 I mean it's funny

00:18:52.940 because I did a great

00:18:54.080 interview with these

00:18:54.920 four black

00:18:56.180 female police chiefs

00:18:57.760 from the Raleigh-Durham area

00:19:00.180 a couple of years ago

00:19:01.500 and they were all talking

00:19:03.040 about they were amazing

00:19:04.040 and they're strong

00:19:05.040 and they you know

00:19:05.840 they're they're

00:19:06.420 in an interesting

00:19:07.260 position right

00:19:08.120 because they're they're

00:19:09.160 black they have black

00:19:10.340 sons and yet

00:19:11.880 they're chiefs of police

00:19:13.260 so they're not anti-cop

00:19:14.740 but they recognize

00:19:15.980 that that there could

00:19:17.140 be some improvements

00:19:18.100 but they were talking

00:19:18.940 to me about quote

00:19:19.900 the talk that they all

00:19:21.560 had to have with their

00:19:22.280 sons about you get

00:19:23.420 pulled over by a cop

00:19:24.420 you put those hands

00:19:25.840 10 and 2 on the

00:19:26.780 steering wheel

00:19:27.340 do exactly what he says

00:19:29.000 if something goes wrong

00:19:30.000 we'll deal with it later

00:19:30.820 but you you comply

00:19:32.260 in the moment

00:19:33.420 or things can go bad

00:19:34.620 quickly and I thought

00:19:35.600 god that's amazing

00:19:36.540 like it must be hard

00:19:38.520 to have to think

00:19:39.380 like that as a

00:19:40.540 as a black mother

00:19:41.720 that if my son

00:19:43.300 doesn't listen

00:19:44.040 he could die

00:19:45.600 and then I started

00:19:46.840 talking about it

00:19:47.660 more in my social

00:19:48.480 circles and a lot

00:19:50.520 of my mom friends

00:19:51.480 who a lot of my

00:19:52.620 white friends

00:19:53.360 who have boys

00:19:54.300 who are now

00:19:54.720 driving age said

00:19:55.680 we say that too

00:19:57.260 like it's a

00:19:58.420 I don't know

00:19:59.520 if it's just a black

00:20:00.740 teenage thing

00:20:02.260 as much as a boy

00:20:03.860 teenage thing

00:20:04.900 because I mean

00:20:05.960 let's face it

00:20:06.600 the number of times

00:20:07.420 women resist arrest

00:20:08.540 or give a cop a hard

00:20:09.520 time I think are far

00:20:10.660 fewer than the number

00:20:12.320 of times some

00:20:13.180 teenage kid will do it

00:20:14.820 boy

00:20:15.740 that's correct

00:20:17.220 and that conversation

00:20:18.140 you're exactly right

00:20:18.980 happens in households

00:20:19.860 all across America

00:20:20.960 and yet somehow

00:20:22.100 we've had this narrative

00:20:23.260 taught to us

00:20:24.260 that this is only

00:20:24.880 happening in black homes

00:20:25.960 that they have to be

00:20:26.640 told to listen

00:20:27.420 I believe

00:20:29.100 that when you raise

00:20:30.140 children you always

00:20:30.960 tell them that they

00:20:31.480 should listen to

00:20:31.980 authority and respect

00:20:32.860 authority

00:20:33.340 that shouldn't be

00:20:34.280 I mean that

00:20:34.660 that should be

00:20:35.180 implied

00:20:35.600 I was raised

00:20:36.840 on those ethics

00:20:37.700 my grandfather

00:20:38.800 put that into our

00:20:40.180 heads when we were

00:20:40.780 young that you

00:20:41.320 respect authority

00:20:42.140 that there are rules

00:20:43.040 and if you have an

00:20:44.040 issue there is a

00:20:44.640 time and a place

00:20:45.220 to raise those

00:20:45.960 issues

00:20:46.360 but the idea

00:20:47.360 that blows my

00:20:48.060 mind

00:20:48.400 that I would

00:20:49.260 ever physically

00:20:50.100 assault an officer

00:20:51.200 you have to be

00:20:52.540 mentally unwell

00:20:53.740 to think that that

00:20:54.380 is an okay thing

00:20:55.620 to do

00:20:56.100 and then to

00:20:56.900 on top of that

00:20:57.680 to do that

00:20:58.500 to have a situation

00:20:59.540 that obviously

00:21:00.720 go awry

00:21:01.260 and then to turn

00:21:02.280 around and say

00:21:02.760 you're the victim

00:21:03.520 after resisting an

00:21:05.480 officer hitting an

00:21:06.300 officer running from

00:21:07.120 an officer who's

00:21:07.720 telling you to stop

00:21:08.680 over and over and

00:21:10.120 over again

00:21:10.720 and then the

00:21:11.500 community is actually

00:21:12.300 shocked when this

00:21:13.540 situation doesn't turn

00:21:14.560 out positively

00:21:15.300 well that's the thing

00:21:16.020 about Jacob Blake

00:21:16.660 is remarkable

00:21:17.360 when people say

00:21:18.360 okay the fact that

00:21:19.660 he that he

00:21:20.420 digitally raped

00:21:21.380 his ex

00:21:22.540 at a prior time

00:21:25.000 has nothing to do

00:21:25.760 with why he took

00:21:26.840 all the bullets

00:21:27.440 in the back

00:21:27.960 and and my

00:21:28.960 response has been

00:21:30.100 right but you

00:21:32.120 know possibly

00:21:32.620 although it gives

00:21:33.300 you context for

00:21:33.900 why the police

00:21:34.480 were there and

00:21:35.060 what they thought

00:21:35.500 they were dealing

00:21:36.020 with when they

00:21:36.520 arrived because

00:21:37.360 they were called

00:21:37.880 by the ex who

00:21:38.680 said he's

00:21:39.300 violating restraining

00:21:40.060 order but

00:21:41.000 something happened

00:21:41.880 in between those

00:21:42.420 two events which

00:21:43.100 is according to

00:21:44.320 eyewitnesses and

00:21:45.100 the police he

00:21:45.940 resisted arrest he

00:21:47.260 got the cops in a

00:21:48.080 headlock he was

00:21:49.200 tased and kept

00:21:49.820 going he had a

00:21:50.940 knife I mean

00:21:51.600 that is the reason

00:21:53.520 he was shot

00:21:54.520 because he resisted

00:21:55.740 arrest and

00:21:56.460 threatened the

00:21:57.200 officers lives

00:21:58.280 once the police

00:21:59.060 believe reasonably

00:22:00.960 that they are in

00:22:02.280 danger of dying

00:22:03.480 or great bodily

00:22:04.360 harm they are

00:22:05.420 allowed to use

00:22:06.120 lethal force and

00:22:07.300 the first bullet is

00:22:08.240 not distinguished

00:22:08.940 from the seventh

00:22:10.020 correct correct

00:22:12.020 and and that is

00:22:12.760 why I I fully

00:22:14.100 supported the police

00:22:14.940 officers in this

00:22:15.760 situation as I have

00:22:16.700 done many times

00:22:17.560 um and and I I

00:22:19.020 think it's sad when

00:22:19.740 we get to a point

00:22:20.460 and it really is the

00:22:21.480 big tree of low

00:22:22.120 expectations on the

00:22:23.060 black community

00:22:23.620 way that that

00:22:24.340 people don't think

00:22:25.080 that we're able to

00:22:25.800 just listen to

00:22:26.940 basic instructions

00:22:27.940 I mean I've been

00:22:29.140 I've been pulled

00:22:29.880 over I've had

00:22:30.540 officers yelling

00:22:31.620 at me before I've

00:22:32.540 been uncomfortable

00:22:33.280 scenario at the

00:22:34.740 end of the day

00:22:35.060 it was my fault I

00:22:35.820 didn't know he

00:22:36.220 had been following

00:22:36.660 me for three

00:22:37.200 miles because my

00:22:38.080 my music was

00:22:38.960 blasting so he

00:22:39.780 didn't know what

00:22:40.380 was going on why

00:22:41.200 I was still racing

00:22:42.480 at 80 miles per

00:22:43.200 hour up a highway

00:22:43.960 and he was obviously

00:22:45.800 very nervous when he

00:22:46.560 pulled me over and

00:22:47.160 he was shouting at

00:22:47.920 me but you know

00:22:48.720 what my instinct

00:22:49.760 wasn't to resist or

00:22:50.720 to yell at him or

00:22:51.300 disrespect him it

00:22:52.440 was to apologize

00:22:53.180 you know to make

00:22:54.400 sure that I showed

00:22:55.140 him that this was

00:22:55.800 genuinely a mistake

00:22:57.040 that this was a

00:22:57.560 mix-up and and

00:22:58.680 and this is what

00:22:59.300 we're seeing happen

00:22:59.920 over and over and

00:23:00.640 over again is that

00:23:01.440 now there is an

00:23:02.520 expectation that

00:23:03.360 black Americans do

00:23:04.300 not need to comply

00:23:05.240 and even if they

00:23:06.480 don't comply even if

00:23:07.480 they're violent even

00:23:08.840 if they're resisting

00:23:09.480 arrest somehow we

00:23:10.440 should be able to

00:23:10.980 walk away from that

00:23:11.820 situation unscathed and

00:23:13.080 that is wrong and

00:23:14.100 that is problematic and

00:23:15.060 that is what I speak

00:23:15.700 out against

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00:24:50.500 about what happens to

00:24:51.480 you when you speak out

00:24:52.240 against this because I

00:24:54.100 as a lawyer look at the

00:24:55.400 data I look at the facts

00:24:56.580 that's what I want to

00:24:57.220 know I'm open-minded on

00:24:58.760 all of these cases you

00:25:00.440 know tell me tell me what

00:25:01.680 the facts are and then

00:25:02.420 I'll draw a conclusion

00:25:03.180 and I see that in you too

00:25:05.020 you don't obviously you

00:25:06.160 don't jump to the this is

00:25:07.260 racist conclusion as a

00:25:08.880 knee-jerk or you know

00:25:10.020 usually but I do want to

00:25:11.420 talk to you about that

00:25:12.040 but you get it you get

00:25:14.200 backlash of course I've

00:25:16.180 been called a racist but

00:25:17.480 most Republicans have

00:25:18.680 been called racists when

00:25:19.800 they try to talk about

00:25:20.580 anything having to do with

00:25:21.640 race or police etc you get

00:25:25.360 it in a particular way it

00:25:27.620 is vicious and I wonder if

00:25:31.020 you can just talk about

00:25:31.680 that for a minute

00:25:32.240 yeah there is a a visceral

00:25:35.500 response to me um and

00:25:37.840 across the white community

00:25:39.200 and the black community on

00:25:40.460 the left side and I when I

00:25:43.020 get it from white Democrats

00:25:44.340 there is a stain of of

00:25:47.300 racism in it you know

00:25:48.660 they're just so angry that

00:25:49.920 this black person isn't

00:25:51.340 behaving in the way that

00:25:53.060 she ought to behave because

00:25:54.700 this is they've set up this

00:25:56.020 perfect narrative and I

00:25:57.080 need to see myself as a

00:25:58.180 victim and I refuse that and

00:25:59.880 I assess situations not

00:26:01.100 according to what color a

00:26:02.820 person is but according to

00:26:03.900 the facts of the situation

00:26:05.200 um and you know from black

00:26:06.960 Americans you get this

00:26:08.160 you're a traitor uh uncle

00:26:10.800 tom you're a coon all of

00:26:12.460 these racial slurs um that

00:26:14.340 are developed to basically

00:26:15.380 say to a black person well

00:26:16.540 you're no longer allowed to

00:26:17.640 be black um and people ask

00:26:20.880 me all the time how do you

00:26:21.820 deal with it to me to be

00:26:23.360 honest with you Megan like

00:26:24.340 I don't really care the truth

00:26:26.640 is the truth I'm not losing

00:26:28.060 any sleep over the fact that

00:26:29.360 you can't see the truth or

00:26:30.820 that you think that I need

00:26:31.680 to behave a certain way

00:26:32.680 because of the color of my

00:26:33.660 skin you know my

00:26:34.720 grandfather didn't survive

00:26:36.000 segregation um and go

00:26:38.420 through times where there

00:26:39.540 was actually systemic

00:26:40.360 oppression so that I could

00:26:41.440 wake up every day and see

00:26:42.440 myself as a victim I'm a

00:26:44.020 blessed person I live in the

00:26:45.280 greatest country in the

00:26:46.200 world and people find it

00:26:48.220 they appalling that I

00:26:49.820 don't see myself as less

00:26:51.300 than that I see myself as

00:26:52.600 equal and perfectly capable

00:26:54.160 of moving through society by

00:26:55.440 following uh you know rules

00:26:57.080 and being respectful right

00:26:58.740 and then lead a life that

00:27:00.360 that reflects that I mean

00:27:01.980 I for my whole life I've

00:27:03.300 been very anti the word

00:27:04.720 victim and anti-victim

00:27:06.160 mentality even when I have

00:27:08.140 been the victim of a crime

00:27:09.420 for example uh and and you

00:27:11.220 know I've been targeted by

00:27:12.020 bullies as I know you have

00:27:13.120 which we'll talk about but

00:27:14.080 it's not that nothing has

00:27:16.200 ever happened to me to make

00:27:17.500 me feel victimized it's then

00:27:19.900 just the mental shift that

00:27:21.320 comes shortly thereafter where

00:27:22.540 you say yes something bad

00:27:24.000 has happened but I refuse I

00:27:26.380 refuse to let them make me

00:27:29.280 their victim I I always use

00:27:31.740 the word target yes I was

00:27:33.380 so-and-so's target I was

00:27:34.700 targeted by those bullies

00:27:35.600 but I I it's been super

00:27:38.320 helpful to me in my life and

00:27:39.640 my drive towards success to

00:27:42.040 not get mired in that and

00:27:44.320 what I'm seeing in the

00:27:45.140 country right now is a huge

00:27:47.420 sway a huge rush to embrace

00:27:51.160 that ideology and I don't I

00:27:53.740 know there's racism in the

00:27:54.780 country I don't know about

00:27:55.880 systemic racism I listen to

00:27:57.400 you I listen to Larry Elder

00:27:58.420 and I hear statistics that

00:28:00.320 say it isn't true but I I

00:28:02.480 don't think it's healthy to

00:28:03.760 be running toward victimhood

00:28:06.900 even if it is true well

00:28:10.440 there it's not healthy but it

00:28:12.080 is healthy for people that

00:28:13.180 want to garner power you know

00:28:15.420 that is exactly the kind of

00:28:16.620 mentality that you want the

00:28:17.860 masses to develop a reliant

00:28:19.660 mentality I say this all the

00:28:21.340 time black America especially

00:28:22.660 there is this tremendous

00:28:24.100 coddling and infantilizing of

00:28:26.000 black America not and but it

00:28:28.080 also extends to children on

00:28:30.360 campus I mean I mean you you

00:28:31.600 brought up students and and

00:28:32.780 the safe spaces that are not

00:28:33.980 happening at the college level

00:28:35.840 at the university level you're

00:28:37.120 seeing these safe spaces

00:28:38.120 develop but why is all this

00:28:39.600 happening why are we seeing this

00:28:40.840 extreme coddling of the

00:28:42.200 American mind well it's because

00:28:43.820 if people want to seize power and

00:28:45.920 seize control you need to make

00:28:48.020 people think that they need help

00:28:49.920 with everything that they can't

00:28:51.620 get over certain circumstances

00:28:52.840 that they belong in these

00:28:53.960 categories of victimhood and

00:28:55.780 who's going to be the big

00:28:56.760 sweeping prince charming that's

00:28:58.020 going to come save them

00:28:58.900 government more policies more

00:29:00.800 restrictions more you can't say

00:29:02.800 that you can't do this you can't

00:29:04.540 look here you can't do this

00:29:05.940 because this person is upset and

00:29:08.480 so that is my that is my true

00:29:10.380 fear and people say what are you

00:29:11.400 fearful of I'm fearful of

00:29:13.140 government overreach I'm fearful

00:29:15.040 of looking up and seeing America

00:29:16.900 run like a socialist country I'm

00:29:19.360 fearful of communism I'm not

00:29:21.200 fearful of being offended all

00:29:22.880 right I'm not fearful of being

00:29:23.900 victimized I know that that

00:29:25.100 that's that happens to

00:29:26.080 everybody in their life and it's

00:29:27.280 going to happen repeatedly

00:29:28.280 you're not done being

00:29:29.500 victimized in your life Megan

00:29:30.620 I'm not done being victimized

00:29:31.860 in my life but it's not about

00:29:33.340 how many times you're going to

00:29:34.120 be victimized it's about whether

00:29:35.180 we're going to stay down and

00:29:36.660 keep ourselves as victims and

00:29:38.340 allow people to control us based

00:29:40.680 on those fears well and it's

00:29:42.360 like the more you get

00:29:43.560 government involved it the

00:29:45.400 worst things seem to go and

00:29:47.140 now and now of course it's

00:29:48.100 beyond government it's like

00:29:49.000 every corporation in America

00:29:50.140 that's making you go through

00:29:51.240 critical race training or

00:29:52.740 theory training and you know

00:29:54.140 anti-bias training and and

00:29:55.500 some of these things like the

00:29:57.120 psychologists if you look up

00:29:58.680 psychology journals and so on

00:30:00.320 will tell you these things have

00:30:01.940 exactly the opposite effect of

00:30:03.160 the one that is intended that if

00:30:05.100 somebody has some latent

00:30:06.040 racism that they would never

00:30:08.080 act on otherwise the more

00:30:09.480 attention you bring to it the

00:30:11.200 more likely they are to act on

00:30:12.480 it there's no there's no

00:30:13.880 benefit in bringing it to the

00:30:15.060 frontal lobe but this is what

00:30:17.220 this is what's happening

00:30:18.240 anyway i i think you know

00:30:20.260 when i when i watched uncle

00:30:22.200 tom by larry elder and and

00:30:24.120 you were in it when i read

00:30:25.900 thomas soul with who at which

00:30:27.580 everyone should do he's been

00:30:28.580 it's crazy how he's been

00:30:29.900 ignored by so many historians or

00:30:33.140 so many education institutions

00:30:34.860 meanwhile he's one of if not the

00:30:37.860 most prominent black scholar

00:30:39.040 living in america right now

00:30:40.380 um i i realized that there are

00:30:43.320 serious problems with the

00:30:44.140 welfare program that was put in

00:30:45.760 place in the 1960s and then it

00:30:48.320 really did divide the black

00:30:49.860 family the white families too

00:30:51.220 but the black families in

00:30:52.420 particular to the point where

00:30:54.260 things got flipped it was it was

00:30:55.900 that 75 percent of um or even

00:30:57.860 more i think it was more like

00:30:58.940 80 percent of black families had

00:31:00.640 two parents in them uh years ago

00:31:02.540 and before that and then post that

00:31:04.800 it's exactly the opposite it's 75

00:31:06.640 percent of black families don't

00:31:08.340 have a father involved and i think

00:31:10.180 we can't talk about that it's

00:31:11.840 another thing if you raise that

00:31:13.680 candace you will you really will

00:31:15.920 get blamed for for sort of blaming

00:31:18.540 the victims it's that that's not

00:31:20.960 the problem that it's that you know

00:31:22.440 how is a child coming from that

00:31:24.380 household supposed to fight

00:31:25.560 systemic racism that just doesn't

00:31:27.420 like black people right and and

00:31:30.280 and you're exactly right and this

00:31:31.720 is sort of what i always say if a

00:31:33.140 left is very good at is that they're

00:31:34.920 good at linguistics they're good at

00:31:36.340 seizing the conversation and

00:31:37.660 dressing it up as something else

00:31:39.040 so when welfare was introduced it

00:31:40.780 was introduced as you know

00:31:42.400 obviously lyndon bane johnson

00:31:43.840 obviously it's incumbent upon

00:31:45.360 white people to feel guilty and to

00:31:47.240 realize that it's now the

00:31:48.160 government's responsibility to step

00:31:49.760 in and and try to help black

00:31:51.560 americans as much as possible

00:31:52.820 now of course we have 60 plus years

00:31:55.660 of evidence to show that it hasn't

00:31:57.340 helped black america at all it's

00:31:58.420 hurt black america people that go

00:32:00.240 on welfare there's no incentive for

00:32:02.160 them to ever come off of welfare

00:32:03.400 that they're trying to learn tricks to

00:32:05.520 be able to keep their welfare is

00:32:06.820 incentivizing bad behavior incentivizing

00:32:09.500 you know black women not to marry

00:32:11.120 the father of their children and to

00:32:12.960 have multiple fathers of their

00:32:14.760 children not to have them living in

00:32:16.020 the home and we know that children

00:32:17.720 are worse off if they don't grow up

00:32:19.640 in a two-parent stable home and that

00:32:21.740 unfortunately is an epidemic that is

00:32:23.420 that black americans have been

00:32:24.720 facing for a very long time and the

00:32:27.020 reason why we're not allowed to have

00:32:28.300 those discussions because those

00:32:29.840 choices that we're talking about it's

00:32:31.640 a very uncomfortable term to say

00:32:33.180 personal responsibility right but hey

00:32:35.520 black america actually here are some

00:32:37.440 a lot of things are going bad in in

00:32:39.000 the black american community right

00:32:40.620 here are some basic things that we

00:32:42.420 can do to fix it right not having

00:32:44.840 children before you're married is one

00:32:47.280 way to fix it having children grow up

00:32:49.040 in a two-parent home is another way to

00:32:50.780 fix it do not turn to the government

00:32:53.160 for handouts is another way to fix it

00:32:55.440 stay out of trouble yeah charter school

00:32:57.900 stay out of trouble is another way to

00:32:59.520 fix it but when you start talking about

00:33:01.140 personal responsibility people accuse

00:33:03.200 you of being a racist right because

00:33:04.840 there needs to be somebody that you

00:33:06.140 can blame and unfortunately this isn't

00:33:07.980 a black it isn't the fault of black

00:33:09.700 america uh slowly it's also the fault

00:33:12.100 of white america i place a lot of

00:33:13.680 blame on white americans and their

00:33:15.740 guilt and they're they're constantly

00:33:17.640 being you know cowering being told we

00:33:19.640 need to apologize for telling basic

00:33:22.260 truths right that every white person

00:33:25.300 should walk into the room where

00:33:27.220 there's a black person and start with

00:33:28.780 i'm sorry and then before exiting the

00:33:31.700 room end with i'm sorry

00:33:33.080 this is a ridiculous person who people

00:33:35.680 are listening to right and people will

00:33:38.480 do it people are crazy you saw this

00:33:40.220 you're now seeing people during the

00:33:41.920 black lives matter thing that were

00:33:43.160 bowing when they saw black americans

00:33:45.480 walk in the room uh people that were

00:33:47.360 cleaning and washing the feet of black

00:33:49.300 americans in central park in new york

00:33:50.900 city i mean this is really crazy

00:33:53.140 diluted stuff that we're talking about

00:33:54.800 and so nothing's going to get better

00:33:56.600 until white americans have had enough

00:33:58.340 right because there's always going to be

00:34:00.040 someone if you're dumb enough that will

00:34:01.380 take advantage of you if you're dumb

00:34:03.020 enough megan to say candace i'm going to

00:34:04.860 transfer all of my assets uh when i die

00:34:07.260 to your family am i going to say no

00:34:09.060 megan no because i'm white and you're

00:34:11.580 black probably not right well and it's

00:34:14.380 okay megan it's well it's now gotten to

00:34:17.240 the point where it's just fine to look at

00:34:18.740 every white person doesn't matter who it

00:34:20.800 is every white person is a racist that's

00:34:22.600 it like there's a presupposition that you

00:34:24.580 are a racist and if you don't acknowledge

00:34:26.360 it then that's racist and so on and so

00:34:27.960 forth but the and then and then some

00:34:30.480 people who challenge that will say well

00:34:32.360 well that's racist but but what it is

00:34:35.360 racist what these activists will say is

00:34:37.420 white people cannot i mean black people

00:34:39.260 cannot be racist because racism requires

00:34:41.900 discrimination plus power and that blacks

00:34:46.280 do not have power so they're incapable of

00:34:49.600 racism blacks do not have power is a very

00:34:53.440 very very funny sentence blacks do not have

00:34:55.540 power and yet we just talked about critical

00:34:57.700 race theory being introduced to schools

00:34:59.860 blacks do not have power but we are the

00:35:02.980 only ones that get get to benefit from

00:35:04.920 these affirmative action structures where

00:35:06.700 kids are not qualified or being allowed to

00:35:08.980 take the place that people that are

00:35:10.160 qualified into schools blacks are not

00:35:12.480 empowered and yet we're seeing white

00:35:14.680 americans losing their jobs just because

00:35:16.500 you know what we need to have a black

00:35:18.000 face here as opposed to your face

00:35:19.600 blacks are not empowered and yet if i

00:35:22.020 accused somebody of racism even if

00:35:23.880 there's no proof about it that person

00:35:25.440 will lose their job and their lives will

00:35:26.880 be destroyed because that is how much

00:35:28.300 power that word holds so when people say

00:35:31.720 black americans don't have power i have

00:35:33.200 never seen black americans with so much

00:35:35.680 power in this country and yet still trying

00:35:38.220 to call themselves victim victims shutting

00:35:40.920 white americans up you cannot tell the

00:35:43.100 truth in a room without being accused of

00:35:45.320 calling a rape being being accused of

00:35:47.060 racism yourself and yet doesn't work the

00:35:49.200 other way around black americans can can

00:35:51.840 say things that are pointedly ridiculous

00:35:53.540 and not lose their jobs not lose their

00:35:55.780 positions snoop dogg posted something

00:35:57.900 that if a white person had posted about

00:36:00.140 a black person would have lost every

00:36:01.540 sponsorship under the sun it was an

00:36:03.480 image of me dr ben carson larry elder and

00:36:06.760 called us the coon bunch right did he

00:36:09.000 lose his did he lose uh his sponsorships

00:36:11.760 with dunkin donuts and all the other places

00:36:14.020 that he held sponsorships with no because

00:36:16.100 it was perfectly permittable because what

00:36:17.800 black americans are allowed to be

00:36:19.280 outwardly racist uh we have not seen the the

00:36:22.380 news and media harp hard enough on what

00:36:25.240 we are seeing in the streets now white

00:36:26.720 americans eating peacefully at restaurants

00:36:28.720 black americans rushing them black lives

00:36:31.260 matter activists black people are getting

00:36:32.840 in the air but black people are also

00:36:35.000 getting harassed i saw a woman in her car

00:36:36.760 get harassed just the other day and she

00:36:38.120 was kind of like you know what i'm i'm with

00:36:39.900 you so get off my case but they wouldn't

00:36:42.020 let her go through i mean it's just it's

00:36:43.580 indiscriminate now that the blm protests

00:36:45.560 that are out there that have turned into

00:36:46.940 right but black lives matter why are they

00:36:48.620 allowed to do this right and and face no

00:36:51.140 consequences and yet still have their

00:36:52.640 names on buildings 100 they're lifted up

00:36:55.280 that is because they are empowered yes

00:36:56.900 they are empowered the group is lifted up

00:36:58.860 100 so the idea that white americans who

00:37:02.220 are not even allowed to say all lives

00:37:03.940 matter without losing their positions and

00:37:06.440 jobs right are empowered i just don't see

00:37:09.160 it you know that's seen as a sort of a

00:37:11.920 retort to the concept that black lives

00:37:14.740 matter and and it that has now been

00:37:17.180 dismissed effectively as a racist thing

00:37:18.980 to say i get i get that you don't buy

00:37:20.800 that but one thing i wanted to ask you

00:37:22.820 because i do watch you i follow you on

00:37:24.240 twitter and i haven't i i'm trying to

00:37:27.000 think of a situation that you that you

00:37:29.360 did think race was the issue like is there

00:37:32.800 an issue that you did see racism in like

00:37:35.800 the one that really about with the

00:37:37.160 shootings no just in general just in

00:37:39.800 general the one that stuck that stuck out

00:37:41.540 to me was uh for lack of a better term

00:37:43.420 central park karen you know the woman

00:37:45.100 who got in the face of well the the black

00:37:47.440 bird watcher and she had this dust up and

00:37:49.920 and i know cj pearson who's only 18 and

00:37:53.100 he's a black conservative on twitter and

00:37:55.080 even he was like come on candace because

00:37:56.720 you defended her and it got me thinking

00:37:58.960 like does candace owens have anything that

00:38:01.820 she finds discriminatory or racist against

00:38:04.480 black people of course there are examples of

00:38:07.940 racism towards black people the central park

00:38:10.480 situation that you're talking about it what's

00:38:12.460 remarkable to consider is imagine if the

00:38:14.640 situation was flipped imagine if a black

00:38:17.580 girl was walking her puppy in the park

00:38:19.320 and a white man came up to her and said

00:38:21.300 you need to put your dog on a leash your

00:38:22.800 dog's not supposed to be here dog's not

00:38:24.420 supposed to be here and then said i'm

00:38:26.140 going to give something to your dog and

00:38:27.960 the girl started freaking out all of

00:38:29.860 america would have said that this girl

00:38:31.160 was stalked and harassed by a white man in

00:38:33.200 the park that's so far so far we're on

00:38:35.220 the same page completely yeah it would

00:38:36.900 it would completely flip the situation

00:38:38.040 no but i don't disagree with that and i think

00:38:39.660 even with these races no no but let me get

00:38:41.980 to the point because i agree with all that

00:38:43.640 that the so far these are just two weird

00:38:45.700 people having yet another new york encounter

00:38:47.760 that we've seen a million times like it's

00:38:49.240 an it's an odd city um it's it's a great

00:38:52.000 city but it's an odd city but the point at

00:38:54.440 which the racism comes in is when she

00:38:56.620 threatens to call the police and tell them

00:38:59.160 that a black man is threatening her she

00:39:01.880 says it a couple of times she specifically

00:39:03.660 mentions and and i think it's a fair

00:39:05.640 interpretation she threatens to mention to

00:39:08.380 the police that he's a black man and to

00:39:11.640 me that now there you finally do have

00:39:13.960 what to me seemed like a racist statement

00:39:15.900 and i think she deserved the blowback she

00:39:17.580 got although quite i mean her life's been

00:39:19.720 ruined i don't think that was appropriate

00:39:20.940 i i think i think the punishment that she

00:39:24.000 got did not fit the crime now if you're

00:39:25.560 saying she thought that saying pointing

00:39:27.740 up the guy was african-american was going

00:39:29.440 to make the police come faster to her

00:39:31.020 sure you can examine that what i was

00:39:33.000 hitting at was that this this entire

00:39:34.640 situation did not unfold because a

00:39:37.140 racist white woman came into the park

00:39:38.960 it just it didn't it didn't right she

00:39:40.700 got fired up because he said he was

00:39:42.360 going to give something to her dog that

00:39:44.060 he wasn't going to like i would have

00:39:45.620 freaked out yes i was with my animal and

00:39:48.580 someone said that wasn't good and then

00:39:50.120 she lost her mind right and we're seeing

00:39:52.200 this happen more and more again where

00:39:53.460 people are pushing people to the limit

00:39:54.940 waiting for them to freak out and then

00:39:56.800 pretending that the entire situation

00:39:58.260 happened because of race and it didn't

00:40:00.200 happen because of race did she say

00:40:01.860 something that you shouldn't have said

00:40:02.940 yes shouldn't have said that she never

00:40:04.740 needed to say i'm going to say an

00:40:05.920 african-american man is is whatever in

00:40:08.520 the park she could have just said

00:40:09.640 listen i'm going to call the police and

00:40:11.340 i'm going to say that you're harassing

00:40:13.040 me and she did not need to introduce

00:40:14.340 his race into the equation in just a bit

00:40:16.320 we'll have more with candace owens who

00:40:17.900 gets very personal and very frank about

00:40:20.580 how donald trump changed her life forever

00:40:23.740 but first now it's time for the feature

00:40:26.560 we call asked and answered here at the

00:40:28.740 megan kelly show we take a look at the

00:40:30.840 questions that you have sent in and we

00:40:32.180 answer one or two and we picked one

00:40:34.340 today from jane martin steve what does

00:40:37.160 jane have to say yeah megan so jane is a

00:40:39.600 she says she's a longtime democrat has

00:40:41.580 little respect for the party in its

00:40:42.900 current form so jane thanks for listening

00:40:44.920 and her question to you megan is during

00:40:46.920 one of your new podcast episodes which

00:40:48.540 she said she loved the first one would

00:40:50.320 you be willing to tell us a bit about

00:40:51.660 how you've gotten yourself through the

00:40:53.020 mobs the cancel culture attacks she

00:40:55.060 says i'm very curious about the most

00:40:56.440 vulnerable moments losing fans or

00:40:58.100 knowing what was being broadcast about

00:40:59.440 you while you know differently about

00:41:01.480 yourself oh thank you for that jane um

00:41:04.100 well i would say i don't think i lost

00:41:06.060 any fans uh you know as a result of my

00:41:09.740 my ending at nbc i think my fans know who

00:41:12.560 i am and know exactly what went on there

00:41:14.620 uh but it is not fun to read awful things

00:41:18.540 about yourself in the papers or see them on

00:41:21.100 on television so as a general rule i avoid

00:41:24.640 that toxicity i try not to take it in

00:41:26.880 because they don't know me and they have

00:41:29.940 an agenda and there's no point admiring

00:41:33.120 yourself in that because it's only going

00:41:34.520 to make you feel bad you know so when when

00:41:37.240 the storm hits and it's hit a lot over the

00:41:39.380 past five years of my life i hunker down

00:41:42.060 with my loved ones with my husband doug

00:41:43.820 with whom i'm really close we have a very

00:41:45.680 strong marriage which i am really proud

00:41:47.760 of it's one of my crowning achievements as

00:41:49.220 a human and our kids who are you know they

00:41:52.500 ground you you know how that is they

00:41:53.880 ground you in everything and it's like

00:41:55.480 right when you think some bullshit in your

00:41:57.160 world matters your kids come over and

00:41:59.220 snuggle up next to you and hug you and

00:42:00.840 you're like you know what i'm good i have

00:42:03.180 a pretty high floor so that's in general how

00:42:06.640 i approach that stuff but something in

00:42:08.720 your question triggered something that i've

00:42:10.380 been wanting to say you talked about you

00:42:13.000 know most vulnerable moments and there was

00:42:16.440 something that was really frustrating to

00:42:18.200 me after i left nbc and that was the

00:42:21.740 inability to say goodbye to my studio

00:42:23.380 audience on that show who i adored they

00:42:28.620 came every day i had a huge set of

00:42:30.360 regulars who i got to know very well and i

00:42:33.000 fell in love with them and i think it was

00:42:35.560 mutual you know we just had a bond we'd

00:42:37.380 hug all the time we'd cry on the hard

00:42:39.240 segments they trusted me and i trusted

00:42:42.020 them and they totally had my back at the

00:42:45.180 end of everything there were so kind about

00:42:47.420 it and these are people of all different

00:42:48.960 ages different sexes different races you

00:42:52.020 know they were just kind and loving and i

00:42:55.520 never got the chance to say goodbye and i

00:42:58.200 never i never got the ability to even

00:43:01.100 round back with them on everything that

00:43:03.140 had happened because i couldn't really

00:43:04.540 talk about it

00:43:05.200 so i if they're out there i want you to

00:43:09.640 know i think about you all the time i miss

00:43:12.640 you i miss our times together i don't really

00:43:14.720 miss my time inside that building but i'm i

00:43:17.040 miss my audience there and i don't know i

00:43:20.900 hope we're reconnecting now i hope my my

00:43:22.940 old fox audience and my old nbc audience are

00:43:25.460 here that we're we've reunited without the

00:43:28.500 middleman you know this is so much more direct

00:43:30.420 and more authentic that's the hope for

00:43:33.400 this and that's so far how i've been

00:43:35.540 feeling about it so anyway um and if you

00:43:38.500 want to communicate with me you can either

00:43:40.180 i'm i'm sort of reading your stuff two

00:43:42.060 different ways i i read it on apple like

00:43:44.620 if you go and you you write a review um

00:43:47.460 and a five-star rating then i do read a

00:43:50.280 lot of the reviews but also for this

00:43:52.360 segment if you want a question answered

00:43:54.120 you we read them all so you can email in

00:43:56.380 at questions plural questions at devil

00:43:59.760 may care media dot com look forward to

00:44:02.580 it there's so much interesting stuff in

00:44:06.240 your background much of which you cover

00:44:08.780 in your new book it's called blackout and

00:44:11.060 i recommend it to all all of our listeners

00:44:13.040 i'd love i wanted to know more i knew i

00:44:15.480 know you grew up you grew up in stanford

00:44:16.960 connecticut but you used to be a liberal

00:44:19.640 which i think a lot of people will find

00:44:21.580 surprising so what was it that made you a

00:44:24.500 republican yeah so i mean i want to be

00:44:27.420 clear i was a liberal but i was never a

00:44:29.360 democrat so that's one of the lies that

00:44:31.260 are out there about me like candace

00:44:32.420 switched parties i was not politically

00:44:34.100 inclined and that is actually the case

00:44:36.860 for the majority of black americans

00:44:38.460 we're not engaged in politics and yet if

00:44:41.600 you ask us we sort of flippantly will

00:44:43.520 assume that because of our skin color

00:44:45.140 we have to be democrats we have to think

00:44:48.160 liberally and i just sort of believed the

00:44:50.920 mainstream media nonsense um i i sort of

00:44:53.980 believed that democrats had our best

00:44:55.920 interests at heart even though i had never

00:44:57.500 voted um i i just thought that i sort of

00:45:00.360 had to be a little because of the color of

00:45:01.760 my skin even though i was actually raised

00:45:04.280 which i go into in my book quite

00:45:05.640 conservatively and my grandparents were

00:45:07.880 extremely conservative um and i was raised

00:45:10.860 on values of faith on family and on hard

00:45:13.520 work and when i finally looked up and put two

00:45:16.480 and two together and this happened with

00:45:18.400 donald trump and the election cycle this

00:45:21.200 happened with me just being very confused

00:45:23.640 as to why a man who i grew up hearing his

00:45:26.880 name dropped in hip-hop songs repeatedly

00:45:28.880 everyone wanted to be like trump

00:45:31.260 beyonce and jay-z had him in their songs

00:45:34.380 they wanted to be sipping poolside at mar-a-lago

00:45:36.860 he was a symbol of status he was celebrated

00:45:39.980 he was partying with diddy pup you know pup

00:45:42.700 daddy i think it was his name back in the day

00:45:44.580 um and everybody loved him and the second he

00:45:47.180 announced that he was running uh uh for

00:45:49.680 president united states they flipped the entire

00:45:51.700 narrative and tried to say he was a racist

00:45:53.420 and it just forced me to think and and when

00:45:56.520 i started thinking and digging i did not

00:45:58.400 buy the narrative that trump was an avowed

00:46:00.300 racist white supremacist who wanted to send

00:46:03.120 america back 400 years and the thinking and

00:46:06.660 seeing how the media was misconstruing

00:46:08.600 everything that he said sort of led to my

00:46:11.240 political aha and so i think trump is the

00:46:14.260 person that really made me engage in politics

00:46:16.760 and once i actually became politically engaged i

00:46:19.640 realized everything the left was doing was just a

00:46:22.340 hit job uh it was smearing it was libeling and they

00:46:25.180 just weren't being honest about the fact that they

00:46:27.900 didn't want him to be president but also you cannot

00:46:30.720 want someone to be president without smearing and

00:46:32.840 libeling him and and they refused they were

00:46:35.080 it's been funny recently because of course they got all

00:46:37.980 over him for not what they claimed was not explicitly

00:46:40.240 denouncing white supremacy at the presidential

00:46:42.620 debate and then and you see people like jim acosta of cnn

00:46:45.620 tweeting that out he refuses yet again to denounce white supremacy and

00:46:49.400 then people of course dig up acosta's and other reporters old

00:46:53.580 tweets saying trump specifically condemns white supremacy the kkk

00:46:57.360 like he's done it so many times but you would think from the chris

00:47:00.280 wallace question and from the media's reaction to trump's answer

00:47:03.460 that night that he'd never done it and he's really trying to keep that

00:47:06.280 contingent in his voting block and it just it's not true but you can't

00:47:10.440 get through that you can't get through those smoke and mirrors it's it's hard

00:47:13.620 but wait so can i ask you because you people look at you in your tough you

00:47:19.060 are you're tough you can fight any battle i've seen you and it's like it's

00:47:22.460 good it's good stuff actually when when you testified before congress and

00:47:25.840 people tried to there was a white woman who tried to shame you for something

00:47:28.400 you'd done or said you you were like oh no um you have been through it

00:47:33.440 though and when you were in high school you you were the target i'll say of of a

00:47:39.080 hate crime so how hard was that for you can you just tell us a little bit

00:47:43.260 about it and how hard was that for you it was incredibly hard for me it was it

00:47:48.280 was easily the worst thing i've ever lived through and it's because of my

00:47:52.180 youth and because of my inexperience and because of the complication the

00:47:56.360 unnecessary unnecessary complication of the narrative by the media by the

00:48:01.700 politicians um by naacp um who needed to force this as a racist issue that these

00:48:09.940 boys who had left these incredibly racist messages there's no question these

00:48:14.460 messages that they left on my phone were racist um but because there was an

00:48:18.340 obsession to label them all as racist nobody sort of dug and i talk about this

00:48:22.440 in my first chapter um for the more human narrative and they they forgot that we

00:48:27.700 were a bunch of teenage kids that we were all very young and they failed to see

00:48:32.060 the obvious point was that this kid who had led the ringleader of this racist

00:48:36.820 attack uh was formerly my best friend um and he he did this because he was hurt

00:48:42.260 that i stopped hanging out with him and the only way he knew how to hurt a black

00:48:47.380 girl in his very naive young mind was to ring up a bunch of people and have her have

00:48:52.580 them call her the n-word repeatedly now that doesn't mean that he was right it

00:48:56.460 doesn't remove responsibility doesn't change the fact that what he did was

00:48:59.440 racist but does that make a person a racist for the rest of their lives and

00:49:04.920 this is what i have you know what i have trouble with with the media is that there

00:49:08.460 was this obsession with sort of um just issuing a verdict that this person is 100

00:49:13.920 percent racist because they said this and that's wrong especially when you're

00:49:18.180 talking about the level of children when children experiment with being mean and

00:49:22.340 seeing what they can get away from they're not emotionally mature not

00:49:25.220 emotionally developed and we say awful things fortunately i grew up in the land

00:49:29.320 before facebook and twitter so i don't remember half of the evil mean things

00:49:33.200 that i've said right they're not held somewhere on a twitter feed um from back

00:49:37.720 in the day but it is so problematic that we have this standard now for people to be

00:49:43.020 perfect um even from the time that their kids

00:49:45.980 you know 11 year olds 12 year olds being called racist you can't

00:49:49.540 be a racist at 11 years old you can be misguided you can do racist things and say

00:49:54.880 racist things uh but to enter in that sort of a um of a

00:49:59.040 verdict on someone so young it's wrong and it doesn't help the person

00:50:02.660 as i was the victim of this it doesn't help me and make me feel better

00:50:06.720 when you go around calling me a victim right so it people were hurt on both sides of

00:50:11.640 this and it was dealt with wrong by adults in my opinion

00:50:14.200 i i mean what i hear you talking about is the concept of grace

00:50:17.980 and it's it's just i think dana lash has a book called grace canceled

00:50:22.540 and it's just disappearing it's people are complicated

00:50:27.680 and these are difficult issues race um gender all the changes the sweeping

00:50:33.920 changes that are coming through on these issues

00:50:35.540 and there's no there's no leeway to people to try to figure it out there's no

00:50:40.500 willingness to openly engage without name calling it's just screw you you're

00:50:46.820 awful end of discussion and i mean i think about me and my

00:50:51.740 sisters when i was growing up it was totally normal and fine to say

00:50:55.320 that's gay like that's like that's wow that's not

00:50:58.140 cool right all the time that's gay i say to my sister oh you're being gay

00:51:02.000 like you know you're being uncool and then that suddenly changed it became not

00:51:06.280 okay and another sweeping of political correctness

00:51:08.680 and it sort of became this attack on homophobic and it's like i know i'm

00:51:12.320 sorry when i was six years old i was not thinking

00:51:14.360 of homophobia i was not thinking of men and women having sex having same sex

00:51:19.660 um sex and of course could you imagine if back in the day i had a twitter

00:51:25.060 and i'm tweeting hey that's that's really gay

00:51:27.680 when i was gonna say when i look at there's some similarity with the me too

00:51:31.400 movement because some of the behaviors that men have

00:51:35.520 gotten in trouble for have been considered okay or at least

00:51:40.280 didn't cause a huge reaction uh since time in memoriam you know like

00:51:44.920 a man telling a woman she looks nice or she looks good in that dress

00:51:49.120 or she's beautiful i i realized at the office today that would be like

00:51:52.900 oh but that used to be no big deal i mean i was a young woman in these law

00:51:57.160 offices in the in the early 90s and it was a compliment you know might not have

00:52:01.060 been the first thing i wanted to hear out of a partner's mouth but you kind of

00:52:04.660 let it go over you like water off a duck's back and

00:52:07.680 then you know i think that the first big case

00:52:10.520 in the me too movement was probably what happened at fox

00:52:13.480 with roger ales and then a year later came harvey

00:52:16.260 weinstein which really kicked things off

00:52:17.840 but i i think some of the past behavior has now been demonized when it really

00:52:23.600 was it was okay at the time but i wouldn't put cases like roger

00:52:27.720 ales or harvey weinstein uh or charlie rose or less moonvez

00:52:33.220 in that category would you no and and that's why i came out and i was not in

00:52:39.220 support of the me too movement and that was extremely controversial because

00:52:42.100 you're a woman how can you not support the hashtag me too movement

00:52:45.500 oh because i think signing a blanket everybody's guilty

00:52:48.760 when every single case is different um you know there are little things that

00:52:53.340 change the case you know the matt lauer thing

00:52:55.760 i thought that that was that was one where i said well this is an interesting

00:52:58.900 one so you know you were raped but then proceeded

00:53:01.260 to have an affair for months after with the person that raped you there is no

00:53:05.240 nuance there's no nuance when you blanket hashtag me to everything

00:53:08.520 and that's what i found to be problematic i believe in due process

00:53:11.480 call me a crazy person but even if the trump it's 100 true and it happens

00:53:16.300 i don't believe that we should blanket believe you

00:53:19.740 without due process and i saw this as a witch hunt on men

00:53:23.620 i agree there has to be due process and i've been talking about that all along

00:53:27.300 and in all these cases there does and and the people who just want to the

00:53:31.160 believe all women people are nuts that's insane women lie we're humans

00:53:34.900 so we should not be believed in all in all circumstances hello julie swetnick

00:53:39.240 looking at you um but i'll say just one word on the matt lauer accuser who i know a

00:53:43.960 little uh and i think those relationships are very complicated

00:53:47.520 and i know a lot of people are like why would she continue sleeping with him if it

00:53:51.400 were a rape but number one it can be considered legal rape

00:53:55.380 and even even she has said that she understands the the legal distinction but

00:53:59.200 it can be considered a legal rape if the woman is too intoxicated or

00:54:02.200 incapacitated to actually consent and number two you know when you've got

00:54:06.920 somebody a star that big with a young assistant who has no power in the

00:54:11.560 organization it's a tough spot for the woman to

00:54:14.620 navigate out of it's really tough yeah i mean i've been an assistant

00:54:19.080 before so i'm i i i have been an assistant at a private

00:54:22.820 equity firm i've worked with all men i understand the power dynamic and i also

00:54:26.680 know as working with an assistant with a bunch of assistants that there are

00:54:29.780 women um who like to climb the ladder uh who

00:54:32.540 are ambitious so as i said i i think the nuance is

00:54:36.060 important and i think it's it's not fair um you know to cast

00:54:39.500 men as rapists because maybe a woman is feeling like she has to do it right well he

00:54:44.520 doesn't know that and and i just i i don't i just think that there has not

00:54:48.460 been enough nuance i'm not a supporter of the me too movement

00:54:50.920 and you know personal relationships aside i think some of these cases have

00:54:55.400 gotten out of hand and i i you know have used my platform to say

00:54:59.080 i don't believe i don't hashtag believe all women

00:55:01.600 i like to hashtag believe all facts and apparently that's a controversial

00:55:04.980 position these days well i agree with you it should be evaluated on a case by

00:55:08.600 case basis and i think it's okay for people to say

00:55:11.540 that one i don't believe that's okay that's part of due process that's part of

00:55:15.420 your right as an american that the we get into problems where

00:55:18.360 where it's i believe everyone period it's like

00:55:21.560 that makes no sense um okay now everyone listening to you is

00:55:26.240 wondering one thing when is this woman going to run for

00:55:29.320 office now she can't be president of the united states yet because she's only 31

00:55:32.540 years old right 31 yes so crazy you're so young

00:55:36.520 um but what do you think i saw you tweet not long ago i'm going to run for

00:55:41.200 political office are you you know i've i thought about it very

00:55:45.320 deeply when the covet 19 outbreak happened and i was shocked to see

00:55:49.240 republicans lose the plot when they were fearful back in february and i was the

00:55:53.700 only person saying this is not adding up this is wrong

00:55:56.380 and i was the only one saying even if it's all true

00:55:58.880 you do not have a right to shut down american businesses and tell people where to

00:56:02.440 walk when they can walk it just under no circumstances i mean i

00:56:06.620 truly believe in american freedom um even in times when we're fearful i

00:56:11.340 believe that you have a right to choose um and decide if you want to stay in all

00:56:15.380 day and not go to work um and and not make any money and i have a

00:56:18.980 right to choose if i say you know what making that last 1000 bucks and giving it

00:56:22.540 to my family even if i die is worth it

00:56:24.740 um i believe in personal freedoms and i was really taken aback to see so many

00:56:29.720 people left and right um just give up their freedom so quickly when a little bit of

00:56:33.740 fear got introduced and now everyone's sort of come around the bend and you

00:56:36.940 know republicans are like oh well you know i i think this is wrong but it's a

00:56:39.940 bit too late in my opinion yeah the economy's already been blown up

00:56:43.660 right it's already been blown up and i thought to myself like there should be

00:56:47.760 there needs to be people that will fight even when the pressure's on and i'm

00:56:51.160 definitely a person that would fight when the pressure's on

00:56:53.080 now um in terms of actually running the future i used to always say no

00:56:57.300 to that now i pretty much say what trump said decades ago which is that if i

00:57:01.180 really felt my country needed me i would do it um i hope that we have

00:57:05.500 people that will run instead and i will be like these are great candidates and

00:57:09.420 these are strong candidates but if i looked on the right and i thought that we

00:57:12.360 were going to take steps backwards you know if we had mitt romney running in

00:57:15.860 2024 i would run against the mitt romney right

00:57:20.220 so so i'd step up to the plate you don't need you don't need my advice on

00:57:24.480 anything but i will say because i'm a lot older than you are

00:57:27.880 and i've been on the receiving end of a lot of nastiness too

00:57:31.520 although i mean you're the number of death threats and so on i see coming

00:57:35.620 your way are just insane um i here's my one caution to you as you

00:57:41.720 forge forward whether it's as a politician or as a as an amazing

00:57:44.820 pundit or you know just this brave courageous woman who says what she

00:57:47.780 thinks fight bitterness and this isn't based on

00:57:52.300 anything i've seen in you at all it's just i've seen it in other people

00:57:55.560 especially women who are as bold as you are because they get attacked

00:58:00.120 so brutally and you're going against the grain on everything

00:58:04.160 on everything and so it's it's a dangerous position to be in it's certainly

00:58:08.900 courageous but you they'll come at you so hard and so

00:58:12.420 often there could be bitterness swelling up

00:58:16.480 and then they've really won you know then they're really in your heads it's like

00:58:20.120 then your bullies have totally won because they're not even outside

00:58:22.820 bullying you they're inside bullying you and you know as as you become you are a

00:58:28.360 mother and as you're about to give birth to your baby

00:58:30.300 who i guarantee you will soften any woman and then also make you a mother bear in

00:58:34.700 other ways where you will kill for this kid

00:58:36.220 um it's just a thought that i wanted to share because

00:58:39.560 don't don't let them embitter you

00:58:42.160 i love that i think that's such great advice i love hearing that and that's one

00:58:46.100 of the things that people who work for me and with me are always so

00:58:49.780 surprised about uh because the media is in a really good job of hardening me

00:58:53.160 because i'm always fighting when you see me i have to be a pitbull i'm in

00:58:56.360 i'm in congress and i'm being attacked down the line by witnesses and that never

00:59:00.400 happens um but i am me and my husband are just so

00:59:03.960 happy and i think that being a happy warrior

00:59:06.840 has always been something that i've wanted to be

00:59:09.540 i have so much to be happy for like i said

00:59:11.680 i love my life i love living in america

00:59:14.880 um i love the freedoms i'm afforded i don't have myself one of the things i did

00:59:19.220 eight months ago was take myself off of google alerts

00:59:21.400 because i don't care i'm not in the comments worried about what people are

00:59:25.180 thinking of me i'm telling you what i think and i'm

00:59:27.340 walking away um and i realized that i would say probably at the beginning of

00:59:31.220 this year um is is not to place so much emphasis on

00:59:34.860 what people think about you the most important thing is about what i think

00:59:37.700 about myself um and i have had on the personal side

00:59:40.820 the most blessed three years of my life meeting my husband falling in love

00:59:44.560 about to give birth which is the number one most important thing in my life

00:59:48.920 is family um and it's it sucks that people don't get to see

00:59:53.140 that side of me um but i think i've got some things in the pipeline where people

00:59:57.900 will be able to see a little bit more of that

00:59:59.420 i am really looking forward to it i will say

01:00:02.520 just for whatever it's worth my first maybe two months of motherhood with all

01:00:06.620 three of my kids was hideous it was horrible so hard

01:00:09.120 you know your nipples hurt sorry guys and uh it's just rough and like you're

01:00:14.120 like oh my god i blew up my life i always thought i'd be a better mother

01:00:17.500 than this and by the way nobody tells you that like everybody's like

01:00:20.180 i always thought i picture in my head i'd be like the lady in the brett

01:00:22.980 commercial i'm now i'm dating myself in the 70s

01:00:25.020 with like the flowing hair and the white dress and like perfectly made up and on

01:00:28.620 the couch you know wrong wrong and so if that happens to you candace you just

01:00:34.300 remember that's normal and the awesome period where you love being a

01:00:37.580 mother will come sooner rather than later so good luck with it the one and

01:00:43.220 only candace owens everybody great to talk to you

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 09, 2020

Candace Owens on Victimhood, Trump, and the Police ｜ Ep. 8

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