The Megyn Kelly Show - CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Tuesday.

00:00:16.540 We have so much news to get to today, a plane crash in Toronto, CBS News versus free speech and much, much more.

00:00:23.080 But we want to begin by telling you about an announcement we have here at the show.

00:00:28.400 We've talked in the past about how my producers will put together packets on each of the guest segments we do.

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00:00:36.640 Of course, I do my own reading as well.

00:00:38.700 On top of that, those packets come every night.

00:00:42.040 And in the morning, my producers will send me a short sort of, you know, note with whatever happened overnight that's relevant to the guest.

00:00:49.800 And we call it the AM update.

00:00:52.160 Well, beginning tomorrow, I'm going to be bringing the AM update to all of you.

00:00:56.240 So, here's the story.

00:00:57.800 We are launching a new podcast right here on this very feed that you're listening to the show on.

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00:01:12.460 We had so many of our audience members email us or, you know, write to me on social media saying,

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00:01:37.280 It does kind of interrupt my downtime, for sure.

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00:02:20.280 Um, and then what's funny is we had, we talked about it on X yesterday and some people were

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00:03:13.920 It's just weird.

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00:03:44.940 Joining me now, our pal, Michael Knowles.

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00:04:58.060 Michael, welcome back.

00:04:59.380 Wonderful to be with you, Megan.

00:05:00.500 Thank you for having me.

00:05:01.960 It's great to see you.

00:05:02.880 So there is so much news happening right now.

00:05:05.520 Like we say this every day, but it's always true.

00:05:07.660 So let's just start with the absolute meltdown over J.D. Vance's speech in Europe about free

00:05:15.400 speech, reminding our friends, supposedly amongst our best friends in the Europeans, about the

00:05:20.940 importance of free speech.

00:05:21.980 This is where we left off on Friday.

00:05:24.040 Well, since then, we've just had a downward spiral of the media on this, misrepresenting,

00:05:29.260 by the way, what the speech was about, misrepresenting the import of what Elon said, trying to say

00:05:34.840 that this was all about supporting left wing or right wing parties.

00:05:39.120 He went over there to command that we must support the alt right.

00:05:42.880 Meanwhile, completely ignoring that the whole thing was about how Europe is eroding our free

00:05:47.060 speech rights, their free speech rights, you know, at every turn and with some words about

00:05:52.740 their open borders and how that's had real consequences and how you should let people

00:05:56.840 who object to that talk about it.

00:05:59.380 But if you read the Washington Post, if you read the New York Times, you would see very

00:06:04.100 different headlines in the wake of this.

00:06:06.120 For days now, what do you make of it?

00:06:08.420 Well, first of all, even the notion of the far right wing parties in Europe is largely fake

00:06:15.220 news from the establishment media.

00:06:17.220 In Germany, the right wing party, Alternative for Deutschland, is run by a lesbian libertarian

00:06:23.640 who thinks that Hitler was a communist, okay?

00:06:26.000 So even when we're talking about the particular scary right wing party that they're all worried

00:06:31.640 about, even that is just a kind of normal right wing party in the libertarian modern sense of

00:06:38.080 things.

00:06:38.840 And so when J.D. shows up to Munich, I think this, I've been calling his speech the tear

00:06:44.620 down this firewall speech.

00:06:46.400 You know, Reagan goes to the Brandenburg gates, says tear down this Berlin wall.

00:06:49.520 Well, J.D., he said there's no room for a firewall in a democracy.

00:06:54.260 And a lot of the American listeners probably didn't know exactly what he was referring to.

00:06:58.080 But the firewall in Germany, Germany is the leader of Europe, so, you know, it's really

00:07:02.980 more broadly European.

00:07:05.040 The firewall is this notion that the left wing and center parties can't work with the right

00:07:10.680 wing parties.

00:07:11.300 But this creates a major problem for European democracy because in Europe, just as we've

00:07:15.940 seen in America, the people increasingly are voting for the right wing parties because

00:07:20.860 the left wing parties have failed them and have opened up Europe's borders.

00:07:25.460 And when the migrants have come in and committed all sorts of crimes, including the particularly

00:07:29.440 heinous crimes that we saw in the United Kingdom with the grooming rape gangs, you saw the politicians

00:07:35.460 not defending the citizens of the countries, but actually attacking the citizens of the countries

00:07:40.840 and defending mass migration and the rape gangs and all of these hideous crimes.

00:07:46.040 So it's no wonder that people are looking for an alternative and they're turning to the

00:07:49.800 right.

00:07:50.440 And what J.D. Vance went to say in Munich is, look, you people all prattle on about democracy

00:07:55.660 all the time.

00:07:56.720 And yet when the people actually vote, all you liberal elites out of office, you deny them.

00:08:02.720 You call them a threat to democracy.

00:08:04.760 You censor them.

00:08:06.040 In some cases, you arrest them in midnight raids over things that they've posted to Facebook.

00:08:11.060 And we are not going to tolerate that anymore.

00:08:13.320 And I think the reason that the left is is rending its garments and gnashing its teeth over

00:08:18.100 this speech is that what J.D. Vance was was saying here is that Europe needs to fundamentally

00:08:24.640 change its political order.

00:08:26.700 Its political order right now is anti-democratic.

00:08:30.020 It's extremely left wing.

00:08:31.640 It's leading to a civilizational suicide and the United States, which which secures all

00:08:37.280 of Europe and is the global hegemon.

00:08:38.880 We are not going to stand for that anymore because we've seen the consequences of that

00:08:42.660 kind of liberal hegemony in America.

00:08:44.860 People absolutely hate it.

00:08:46.600 The majority of Americans voted against it.

00:08:48.600 And we're not going to tolerate those kinds of abuses in Europe either.

00:08:52.560 It was such a timely message.

00:08:55.660 I will get to what 60 Minutes did on free speech and Germany on Sunday night.

00:09:01.060 On the heels of this J.D. Vance, I love it.

00:09:04.260 It was sort of like the tear down this wall speech where he went into the belly of the

00:09:10.440 beast and said, you're doing it wrong.

00:09:13.060 You've lost your way.

00:09:14.940 Please come back.

00:09:15.940 Because the thing that bound us together, the United States and Europe, was a commitment

00:09:19.720 to certain human liberties, though we're much more robust about them here in the United

00:09:24.480 States or are supposed to be.

00:09:26.080 Secondly, there is a general commitment to certain principles that we should share.

00:09:31.360 And free speech is it's a human right.

00:09:34.140 It's a human right.

00:09:35.360 It's kind of what he was saying.

00:09:36.680 And Germany in particular has lost its ever loving mind.

00:09:40.140 When the All In guys were here on Friday, we talked about this piece in tablet magazine

00:09:44.540 called The EU is Beset by Pesky Notions of Free Speech.

00:09:47.840 And it's a great piece.

00:09:48.800 It was authored on December 8th of 2024.

00:09:51.760 And they went through the closing of this magazine called Compact Magazine over there,

00:09:56.540 which supports that group, that political party that you just mentioned, which they

00:10:00.800 called the far right AFD.

00:10:04.980 And what happened in Germany was the government closed the magazine.

00:10:10.040 It had some 40,000 subscribers, plus many more through online and media engagement.

00:10:16.040 And they called it a publication of intellectual arsonists who incite a climate of hatred and

00:10:22.940 violence against refugees and migrants and seek to overthrow our democratic state.

00:10:29.040 It's a magazine that supports a party that's anti-illegal immigration.

00:10:33.820 They are not for the open borders that Germany's had for years.

00:10:37.860 They talk in tablet about how the politician who did this rooted her decision in a German

00:10:44.540 law that broadly forbids political activism, opposing the country's, quote, constitutional

00:10:49.600 order.

00:10:50.280 She dispatched 339 cops to raid 14 locations, including Compact's offices, the offices of

00:10:57.980 its parent company, the homes of its staff and their shareholders.

00:11:01.680 The police seized technical equipment, office equipment, vehicles, merchandise, liquid assets,

00:11:05.700 anything else they could physically take, as well as bank accounts.

00:11:09.140 Their video production subsidiary was also closed.

00:11:12.140 This is crazy stuff.

00:11:14.720 They say that, hold on.

00:11:18.460 Yeah, the foundational law there prohibits speech that's racist, pro-Nazi, or as Compact was

00:11:25.120 accused of doing, advocates against the constitutional order of the country.

00:11:30.780 All right.

00:11:30.920 So Germany is in crisis.

00:11:33.380 That's crazy behavior.

00:11:35.560 That's I mean, that is effed up.

00:11:37.520 And this is from one of our so-called allies with whom we share values.

00:11:41.860 So 60 Minutes decides to do a piece on free speech in Germany.

00:11:46.300 Right on.

00:11:47.340 Cool.

00:11:48.140 You're for once.

00:11:49.800 You're relevant and you're right on time.

00:11:52.060 60 Minutes.

00:11:52.980 JD just gave this speech.

00:11:54.200 You probably didn't know it was going to be about that, but you hit the jackpot.

00:11:56.460 You got the crazy Compact magazine thing and what they're doing to this party, trying to

00:12:01.000 shut it down because it's controversial.

00:12:03.040 They went a different way.

00:12:05.920 That's a diplomatic way to put it.

00:12:08.040 As you know, an incredibly sympathetic profile of the crazy ass German laws that criminalize

00:12:16.180 free speech.

00:12:18.520 It was obviously in support of them.

00:12:22.100 There was a minimal amount of pushback, like the most mild milquetoast, like, well, gee,

00:12:28.240 some critics might say this.

00:12:31.060 And that was all we saw here, for example, was 60 Minutes doing like a ride along with

00:12:36.500 German prosecutors as they raided the home of some guy who had said something racist.

00:12:42.880 He was getting arrested because he said something racist.

00:12:45.840 Just in case you didn't know that, that's not unlawful in the United States.

00:12:50.160 You can be a racist, you can be a bigot, you can be a sexist, you can be all the things.

00:12:54.700 You can't make certain hiring and firing decisions based on those things, but you being a bad

00:12:58.800 person is not illegal, right?

00:13:00.640 Anyway, here they talked to the German prosecutor and was the questioning like, what business

00:13:06.880 do you have criminalizing the thoughts of your citizenry?

00:13:12.000 That's not how it went, sought for.

00:13:13.380 What's the typical reaction when the police show up at somebody's door and they say,

00:13:21.360 hey, we believe you wrote this on the internet?

00:13:24.920 They say, in Germany we say,

00:13:27.240 So we are here with crimes of talking, posting on the internet, and the people are surprised

00:13:34.540 that this is really illegal to post these kind of words.

00:13:39.700 They don't think it was illegal?

00:13:40.900 No, they don't think it was illegal.

00:13:42.920 And they say, no, that's my free speech.

00:13:45.700 And we say, no, yeah, free speech as well, but it also has its limits.

00:13:50.880 It has its limits.

00:13:51.940 And Michael, the way they styled the whole piece with Sharon Alfonsi at the top, and she

00:13:56.660 was the interviewer there, was civility has its, I mean, free speech has its limits because

00:14:04.360 civility.

00:14:05.360 That's what we're looking for.

00:14:06.160 Actually, we have that.

00:14:06.980 I'll let you hear it, and then I'll give you the floor.

00:14:08.560 Watch.

00:14:09.700 In the United States, most of what anyone says, sends, or streams online, even if it's

00:14:15.860 hate-filled or toxic, is protected by the First Amendment as free speech.

00:14:21.140 But Germany is trying to bring some civility to the World Wide Web by policing it in a way

00:14:27.160 most Americans could never imagine.

00:14:30.020 German authorities have started prosecuting online trolls.

00:14:33.600 It's 6-0-1 on a Tuesday morning, and we were with state police as they raided this apartment

00:14:40.760 in northwest Germany.

00:14:42.600 Inside, six armed officers searched the suspect's home, then seized his laptop and cell phone.

00:14:52.300 Prosecutors say those electronics may have been used to commit a crime.

00:14:56.940 The crime, posting a racist cartoon online.

00:15:02.500 Go ahead, Michael.

00:15:03.320 Your thoughts.

00:15:03.720 I love the appetite that you saw from the interviewer here.

00:15:09.800 Oh, they didn't know that it was illegal, really.

00:15:12.840 And then you showed up and you got them.

00:15:14.580 Ha-ha.

00:15:15.140 You know, if only we could bring these great ideas.

00:15:19.680 She's obviously eager, like so much of the left, to import this kind of European police

00:15:25.540 state into America to go after the dastardly online trolls, who in any way question, in

00:15:31.940 a just way or an unjust way, the liberal hegemony over our political order.

00:15:36.260 And you can tell there's been a push for many years in America from the left for this.

00:15:40.400 And the American people have rejected that, most notably in November when they voted with

00:15:45.000 the popular vote to elect Trump and the Republicans.

00:15:48.720 But you see the Germans doubling down on this.

00:15:51.340 At that Munich security conference that J.D. Vance spoke at, you had the president of

00:15:55.540 Germany come out and say that he will not allow social media to subvert his democracy.

00:16:02.760 And it forces you to ask the question, what does he think the word democracy means?

00:16:09.360 I'm not the first to make this observation.

00:16:11.340 But when liberals constantly invoke this term democracy, I don't think it really means what

00:16:17.400 they think it means, or at least what we think it means.

00:16:19.560 You know, because they've been arguing for years now that when Americans elect Donald

00:16:24.120 Trump, that's a threat to democracy.

00:16:25.720 Of course, by definition, that's just, that just is democracy when the people vote for

00:16:29.480 someone or when the Hungarians elect Victor Orban, that's a threat to democracy.

00:16:34.160 When the Italians elect Georgia Maloney, somehow that's a threat to democracy.

00:16:38.220 When the Brits vote for the Brexit because they don't want mass migration coming in anymore,

00:16:42.860 they want a more accountable government.

00:16:44.700 Somehow that's a threat to democracy.

00:16:46.020 It's quite clear that what these people mean by democracy is really just liberalism or leftism

00:16:52.020 or this extreme political ideology that ironically now shuts out most of their constituents.

00:16:58.660 That is ironically, totally opposed to the democracy.

00:17:02.360 And so when democracy prevails in America and most people say, we don't want this nonsense.

00:17:06.760 We want Trump, we want Vance, and we want to see that in the rest of our civilization as

00:17:12.040 well.

00:17:12.720 This is really shocking because you can see, especially in Germany, how practically this

00:17:20.280 kind of leftism has been implemented in their political order.

00:17:23.400 And so if the U.S. comes in and says, hey, we've been underwriting all of this for many

00:17:27.900 decades, you have betrayed our shared Western values, and we are not going to underwrite

00:17:33.840 this anymore.

00:17:34.800 And by the way, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

00:17:37.340 So get with the program.

00:17:38.840 It's no surprise that there were many tears at the Munich Security Conference after Vice

00:17:43.920 President Vance spoke.

00:17:45.600 Yes, there was an actual minister over there who was crying.

00:17:49.320 There's no crying in politics.

00:17:50.940 What are you doing?

00:17:52.020 Get it together.

00:17:53.440 That's what?

00:17:54.320 OK, we'll get back to that in a second.

00:17:56.840 Let me stick with CBS.

00:17:58.180 Now, here, first of all, she's weirdly smiling, Sharon Alfonsi, throughout the whole thing.

00:18:03.300 She clearly is enjoying it.

00:18:04.520 She's clearly like, oh, my God, I'm home.

00:18:06.220 I'm home.

00:18:06.720 I didn't realize, you know, Alfonsi sounds Italian, but she's lining up more with the

00:18:11.160 Germans in this particular piece.

00:18:12.760 And here she is all agog.

00:18:15.240 She's just absolutely loving the new information she's getting as they show her the big red folders

00:18:20.680 full of criminals.

00:18:23.180 How many cases are you working on at any time?

00:18:26.440 In our unit, we have about 3,500 cases per year.

00:18:32.260 Nine investigators work out of this office in a converted courthouse.

00:18:36.720 Lau says they get hundreds of tips a month from police, watchdog groups, and victims.

00:18:42.260 You must see a lot of crazy stuff.

00:18:43.820 The worst of the Internet is wrapped in red case folders, stuffed with printouts of online

00:18:50.280 slurs, threats, and hate.

00:18:52.740 This is a criminal offense.

00:18:54.280 What does that say?

00:18:55.480 Kletterpark for Flüchtlinge.

00:18:57.400 So they're suggesting that the refugee children play in the electrical wires.

00:19:01.520 OK.

00:19:02.320 In this case, the accused had to pay 3,750 euros.

00:19:07.640 Wow.

00:19:08.300 It's not a parking ticket.

00:19:09.380 Yeah, not a parking ticket.

00:19:10.380 No, it's not.

00:19:13.940 Yeah.

00:19:14.220 You really hurt them.

00:19:15.340 You fine them thousands of dollars and they go to jail.

00:19:18.000 So fun.

00:19:19.080 I just want to give you the contrast, OK?

00:19:20.900 Because I grew up watching 60 Minutes.

00:19:22.520 It was one of the reasons why I wanted to become a journalist.

00:19:24.760 And this is the reason why people like Mike Wallace, who understood when they were onto

00:19:31.120 a controversial subject or a controversial person, there was a certain tone and strength

00:19:37.620 that would be required in the exchange.

00:19:41.640 Here's a memory.

00:19:43.280 What means to dictatorship?

00:19:46.600 A dictator is somebody...

00:19:49.600 The Chinese president.

00:19:51.440 Who forcibly, whether it's free press or free religion or free private enterprise, now

00:20:02.540 you're beginning to come a little closer to that, you father knows best and if you get

00:20:12.160 in the way of father, father will take care of you.

00:20:16.100 The Imam President Sadat of Egypt, a devoutly religious man, a Muslim, says that what you

00:20:25.140 are doing now is, quote, a disgrace to Islam.

00:20:30.720 And he calls you, Imam, forgive me, his words, not mine, a lunatic.

00:20:36.880 What they hear, what I heard, was overtones of absolute...

00:20:41.260 Louis Farrakhan.

00:20:41.720 And you were sticking it to the Jews once again.

00:20:47.080 That's how you do it.

00:20:48.680 You unafraid, you have to be unafraid, and you go in there fearlessly and put it right

00:20:54.640 to them.

00:20:55.540 This is a crackdown on free speech.

00:20:57.640 This is unfair.

00:20:59.260 This is a violation of human rights.

00:21:01.100 That's how we'd see it in my country.

00:21:03.060 People are allowed to insult, offend, or criticize a government politician, a party.

00:21:10.100 There's nothing illegal about it.

00:21:11.980 How do you justify that morally, sir?

00:21:15.120 Not, hee-hee-hee, it certainly isn't a parking ticket they get.

00:21:18.880 Hee-hee.

00:21:20.300 But you take the Mike Wallace approach if your objective is to come to the truth.

00:21:25.660 And you can do that either by attempting to be objective and neutral or by taking the opposing

00:21:31.480 view and playing the devil's advocate in a conversation.

00:21:34.480 But that is not what the establishment media have been after here.

00:21:38.280 It's certainly not what this CBS interview was after when it comes to Germany.

00:21:42.880 She was not trying to come to the truth.

00:21:45.540 She was trying to advocate a position, a radical position that most Europeans and most Americans

00:21:51.340 would reject.

00:21:52.660 But she's playing the partisan here, okay?

00:21:55.140 This is partisan activism par excellence.

00:21:58.420 And most Americans are going to look at that and say, this is horrifying.

00:22:01.820 We don't want anything to do with it.

00:22:03.340 But I think that also helps to explain why for many of the establishment media outlets

00:22:07.540 now, their ratings have collapsed.

00:22:09.360 And for the establishment liberal politicians, their voter bases have collapsed.

00:22:13.820 And it's why Americans voted for an alternative.

00:22:16.700 There's also just a basic handling of the facts that the left seems to have lost.

00:22:22.860 You know, Mike Wallace basically knew what he was talking about.

00:22:26.260 In this case, on CBS, yet poor Margaret Brennan was discussing free speech in Germany.

00:22:33.500 Megan, the claim that she made, I'm not a scholarly historian or anything like that.

00:22:39.720 I've got a meager undergraduate degree, okay?

00:22:42.900 But I think if you took remedial history in the sixth grade, you would know that the claim

00:22:48.420 that Margaret Brennan here made was completely insane.

00:22:51.600 And on that note, I'll play it.

00:22:53.860 Here she is interviewing Marco Rubio, who was not, as usual, having any of her nonsense.

00:23:00.340 Well, he was standing in a country where free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide.

00:23:07.120 And he met with the head of a political party that has far-right views and some historic ties

00:23:15.280 to extreme groups.

00:23:17.500 The context of that was changing the tone of it.

00:23:23.660 And you know that, that the censorship was specifically about the right.

00:23:28.080 No, I have to disagree with you.

00:23:30.900 Free speech was not used to conduct a genocide.

00:23:33.260 There was no free speech in Nazi Germany.

00:23:35.060 There was none.

00:23:35.860 There was also no opposition in Nazi Germany.

00:23:37.980 They were a sole and only party that governed that country.

00:23:40.660 So that's not an accurate reflection of history.

00:23:44.040 It was beautiful.

00:23:45.020 He, in the moment, sliced her down.

00:23:47.340 All I could think of was the, the, a few good men line.

00:23:50.560 You effed with the wrong Marine.

00:23:53.420 You effed with the wrong official from the Trump administration.

00:23:57.460 Because Marco Rubio knows his facts.

00:24:00.880 He knows his history, including, of course, European history and World War II.

00:24:05.860 Obviously much better than Margaret Brennan that dolt does.

00:24:08.620 And she, she tries to finish it up, her inanity, by saying like, you know that, you, you know

00:24:14.320 that.

00:24:14.860 And he's like, ah, wrong Margaret.

00:24:17.440 I don't.

00:24:18.400 Yeah, I actually don't know that.

00:24:20.360 You know, I, I don't know.

00:24:21.600 I've, I understand that in our modern culture, the only historical event that anyone can make

00:24:26.780 any comparisons to is World War II.

00:24:29.160 Every opponent is Hitler.

00:24:30.960 Every political incident is the brink of the Holocaust.

00:24:34.580 This, this is how our, our degraded, uh, modern media apparatus debates things.

00:24:41.680 So I'm going in already with very low expectations.

00:24:45.060 But even as people constantly invoke Hitler and the Holocaust and everything, have you ever

00:24:50.280 once heard the suggestion that the Holocaust was caused by an abundance of free speech?

00:24:57.140 You know, if you just look at the year 1933, you can point to a few acts of the Nazi party,

00:25:03.940 uh, the editor's act, which said that only Aryans could be journalists, the banning as Marco

00:25:10.240 Rubio alluded to there of the other political parties.

00:25:12.620 So you had a totalitarian state and the Reichstag fire decrees, which severely curtailed, uh,

00:25:17.900 civil liberties.

00:25:18.880 Just that alone would seem sufficient to knock down whatever point Margaret Brennan thought

00:25:24.840 she was making.

00:25:25.660 But, uh, happily for her, she wasn't even aware of those basic facts of history.

00:25:30.980 And I, I fear that many of her liberal viewers will, uh, will be similarly ignorant.

00:25:37.260 So they, they, they have to be corrected by the secretary of state on really basic facts

00:25:42.320 of history.

00:25:43.460 Well, maybe in that, in that way, CBS is doing its audience a real service.

00:25:48.560 If the audience is as uninformed as Margaret Brennan, then yes, she's providing a service,

00:25:54.260 but I don't believe that.

00:25:55.200 I think CBS news is, is not recognizable to me.

00:25:59.120 It's really not.

00:25:59.960 I don't understand what this thing is.

00:26:02.380 Even 10 years ago, CBS news was still a journalism outlet biased.

00:26:06.980 Yes.

00:26:07.300 But I mean, this is beyond this is like, it was never stupid biased and dumb is really

00:26:14.380 unforgivable.

00:26:15.560 And, um, you know what I find really bizarre, Megan face of it.

00:26:19.140 I recently, uh, did a segment on CBS mornings on the, the morning news program, and I thought

00:26:25.980 it was very fair.

00:26:27.040 I thought it was actually a very well put together, balanced segment.

00:26:30.760 I thought they did a really, really great job.

00:26:32.640 And so I thought, oh, good.

00:26:33.720 Maybe CBS is really moving in this great direction.

00:26:36.520 But what's bizarre is morning shows tend to be a little lighter, you know, kind of, uh,

00:26:41.720 there's just a bit more levity and you expect 60 minutes or the serious evening news

00:26:46.540 shows.

00:26:46.920 Those are going to be hard hitting.

00:26:48.040 And in this case, it was exactly the opposite.

00:26:50.780 I mean, 60 minutes is, is one of the most serious news properties in the history of

00:26:55.960 television journalism.

00:26:57.180 It used to be, I don't know.

00:26:59.100 I don't know what has happened, but, uh, this is not helping the credibility of the

00:27:04.440 establishment media in the least.

00:27:06.020 No.

00:27:06.800 I mean, this moron did the vice presidential debate and embarrassed herself.

00:27:09.900 Now she's out there on her Sunday show, which is supposed to be also more dignified and

00:27:13.580 hard hitting, embarrassing herself.

00:27:15.500 And they continue to not understand at CBS news that the only reason these politicians

00:27:19.740 say yes to her is because they wind up looking so good.

00:27:23.680 She makes it easy for them inadvertently.

00:27:26.200 She's so dumb.

00:27:27.260 Her questions are so pathetic that she's just easy to make a fool out of and have one of

00:27:33.160 those viral moments.

00:27:34.080 Like when is she and or CBS going to get that she's getting used by smart right wing politicians

00:27:41.400 who want a viral moment, making her look dumb and them look good.

00:27:45.400 I realized Margaret's too dumb apparently to know this, but somebody at CBS news much must

00:27:50.360 see it.

00:27:51.040 Maybe they don't like her.

00:27:52.140 Maybe they're enjoying it too.

00:27:53.860 I'm not sure.

00:27:54.900 Here is an actual smart person named, uh, Nadine Strossen.

00:27:59.500 She's with fire.

00:28:00.560 You know, the, uh, foundation for, uh, I always forget what it stands for, but it's, thank

00:28:05.740 you.

00:28:06.040 Individual rights and education.

00:28:07.100 It's a free speech organization.

00:28:08.200 We've had Greg Lucanis on the show many times.

00:28:10.300 Um, she's with it and she will explain here what actually was happening with Germany's,

00:28:15.380 hate speech laws in between World War I and World War II.

00:28:20.280 Germany then had multiple laws that restricted hate speech, insulting speech, speech that advocated

00:28:30.200 or might incite violence against various groups, including religious groups, laws against defaming

00:28:37.700 or insulting a religion, including the Jewish religion.

00:28:41.560 And all of those laws were very strictly enforced.

00:28:46.520 Many of the leading Nazis were repeatedly prosecuted and convicted and even served prison times.

00:28:56.000 Hitler himself was actually banned from public speaking for several years.

00:29:03.060 The Nazis themselves, as well as many historians believe that the net impact of those laws censoring

00:29:12.480 Nazi speech was to amplify their message, to give them attention that they otherwise would

00:29:20.520 never have received.

00:29:21.900 Yeah, so that's actually what was happening.

00:29:25.940 The more they tried to ban speech, the more this controversial speech would burst out, would

00:29:32.240 feel subversive, would be exciting to engage in, and the more people did it.

00:29:36.580 And, um, obviously CBS doesn't get that.

00:29:39.840 By the way, back in the 60 Minutes report, you know what they didn't have in this, uh, this

00:29:44.780 report?

00:29:45.100 They didn't speak to a single critic of these arrests or these laws.

00:29:50.380 They didn't speak to any targets of the arrests or who people who have run, who have run afoul

00:29:56.660 of those laws.

00:29:57.560 That's what an actual 60 Minutes piece would have looked like 20 years ago, where they would

00:30:03.340 have shown you the real life.

00:30:05.240 And by the way, it's very easy to pick the, the line that says, I hope refugee children die

00:30:10.760 in electrified wires and say, oh, that's the kind of thing you're going after.

00:30:14.080 You and I both know that there are far more controversial speech examples that have gotten

00:30:20.640 caught in the crosshairs of these German laws that those red files probably have example

00:30:25.920 at or after example of that they decided not to highlight in 60.

00:30:30.080 That's the way you do the piece.

00:30:31.500 You find somebody who actually got, whose kid got killed by an illegal immigrant.

00:30:36.220 And so they subscribe to compact magazine because they agreed with their anti-illegal

00:30:41.240 immigration push.

00:30:42.080 And you put that person on to say, you know what?

00:30:45.360 I lost a lot when they criminalized compacts magazine and they shuttered it.

00:30:48.920 I, I now feel like I'm not allowed to say I'm upset about what happened to my child.

00:30:53.540 That's the way you do a fair and balanced piece, which 60 Minutes knows, but they're agenda

00:30:58.920 driven now.

00:30:59.600 Of course, you know, even that naughty joke about the migrants playing in electrical fields

00:31:06.560 or something, that's a, that's a dark joke.

00:31:09.020 It's a dark joke.

00:31:09.920 It's like an internet meme.

00:31:11.160 It's the sort of thing that statistically everyone on the internet has engaged with at

00:31:15.600 some point.

00:31:16.240 And so I'm not, I'm not saying that that should be the, uh, opening speech of a state

00:31:21.180 dinner or something like that, but it's a crude, nasty, dark little joke.

00:31:25.240 Okay.

00:31:25.720 And so what is the consequence of that?

00:31:27.980 I don't know.

00:31:28.500 Some people giggle or something.

00:31:30.020 Now look at the consequence, not even just in Germany, but throughout Europe of banning

00:31:35.840 basic speech.

00:31:37.340 Marco, not Marco Rubio, JD Vance talked about that in Munich.

00:31:41.220 You had Christians who would pray silently in their own minds, 50 meters away from abortion

00:31:48.920 mills.

00:31:49.520 Those kinds of people are arrested.

00:31:52.520 You would have people who object in any way to mass migration.

00:31:57.160 Those kinds of people would be harassed by the government.

00:31:59.900 You would have families in Northern England who are objecting to their children being brought

00:32:05.520 into rape gangs by migrants.

00:32:07.440 You would see the force of the law come down against them and, and the supposed threat that

00:32:12.520 they pose to multiculturalism rather than against the migrants to, to your point, Megan, you know,

00:32:17.920 who are we to privilege here?

00:32:19.100 Someone who's offended by a naughty joke or an internet meme or the people whose kids have

00:32:24.320 been stabbed by migrants as has happened throughout Europe.

00:32:27.480 You know, how about we pay attention to the serious issues from actual European citizens

00:32:32.700 here?

00:32:33.080 Well, the liberal elite on that continent won't do it.

00:32:36.420 So the constituents are voting against the ruling liberal elite parties.

00:32:40.280 And the only thing that they can do to hold on to their power is to further clamp down,

00:32:44.620 to tighten their grip.

00:32:46.180 And so it's, it's a breath of fresh air for America and for Europe when the vice president

00:32:50.360 comes in and says, Hey, we're not going to put up with this anymore.

00:32:54.300 Right.

00:32:54.860 And says to our friends, remember who you are or who you're supposed to be, what you're doing

00:32:59.900 here because our shared partnership doesn't feel like it has a lot in common anymore.

00:33:03.820 This is why we forge on without you.

00:33:06.040 This is why you're not valuable to us as much when it comes to things like NATO.

00:33:09.800 This is why Trump is having one, two party discussions about wrapping up the Ukraine

00:33:15.140 war with just Trump and Putin without even Zelensky, nevermind the Europeans.

00:33:20.100 So we're like, what about us?

00:33:20.960 What about us?

00:33:21.360 And we're kind of like, what about you?

00:33:23.480 What, what about you?

00:33:25.020 Like what you're pushing us to a place where we have more in common with some of these other

00:33:29.640 countries than we do with you.

00:33:31.200 We don't recognize ourselves in Germany anymore.

00:33:33.360 What is that?

00:33:34.280 Some of the far left would like us to look more and more like them.

00:33:37.260 Um, the guy who cried, I've got to show you this.

00:33:41.940 Um, he cried in response to JD Vance's speech.

00:33:46.140 Uh, this is the same guy.

00:33:47.500 His name is Christopher Hoogson.

00:33:48.560 He was part of the German delegation that could be seen smirking and laughing back in

00:33:52.160 18 when Trump, when he addressed the United Nations General Assembly, issued a stark warning

00:33:57.220 to the German delegation about their country's growing dependence on Russian energy, on Russian

00:34:03.540 energy, of course, which would become a very, very big issue just a few years later when

00:34:07.920 Russia invaded Ukraine.

00:34:09.360 Uh, they laughed at him.

00:34:11.080 You should have listened to him then this time around.

00:34:13.420 They listened to his vice president and they cried.

00:34:15.060 Let me conclude.

00:34:18.660 And this becomes difficult.

00:34:25.720 They're applauding his tears.

00:34:28.580 Christophe.

00:34:31.160 They're hugging him.

00:34:34.120 They're, they're embracing like they're, it's true consolation because he was so upset by

00:34:39.720 what some would call 48 was up there, what, what JD Vance was saying.

00:34:46.320 The best excuse that I've heard the European left come up with here and the American left,

00:34:50.840 I guess, is that no, he wasn't just crying because they were also upset by JD Vance.

00:34:55.320 It's really because, you know, he's going to be leaving this post soon.

00:34:58.620 And so it was just a kind of a broader, overwhelming with emotion to which I would respond.

00:35:03.740 First of all, seems a little dubious to me, given the actual news reporting that came out of that

00:35:08.340 conference.

00:35:08.860 But second of all, also, even if that were the case, yeah, that's ridiculous, man.

00:35:14.520 Are you kidding?

00:35:15.380 This is Europe.

00:35:16.660 This is the Munich security conference.

00:35:18.560 If you're Vladimir Putin, you know, in the Kremlin, are you now cowering?

00:35:23.320 Oh no, the, the Europeans, they might flood me with tears.

00:35:26.980 I hope I don't drown.

00:35:28.220 Good grief.

00:35:29.020 What a pathetic showing from Europe.

00:35:31.640 He's like, I drink your tears at my bedside.

00:35:35.080 Um, okay.

00:35:36.640 We've got to move on because I want to get to this with you to the, the bizarre meltdown

00:35:43.520 with Elon Musk's latest child's mother, allegedly.

00:35:50.480 So a woman named Ashley St.

00:35:52.900 Claire, who claims she's 26, but many internet sleuths claim she's actually 31 or 32.

00:35:58.640 I have no idea.

00:36:00.060 Um, comes out via tweet on Friday.

00:36:03.560 I think it was over the weekend and says a Friday and says, I am the mother of Elon Musk's

00:36:09.500 latest baby.

00:36:10.480 Who's five months old.

00:36:11.780 It's a boy and he's the father, but it's become clear that a tabloid magazine is going

00:36:18.560 to out this fact regardless of the harm.

00:36:22.780 So I am going to tell you myself that I want to raise my child and I am Elon's latest child's

00:36:32.520 mother.

00:36:33.020 Baby mama is the less nice way of saying it.

00:36:35.880 So Elon doesn't respond to that directly, but then the internet starts like weighing in

00:36:40.540 on this saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:36:42.400 Is this true?

00:36:43.200 What's happening?

00:36:44.480 And somebody finds an old tweet of this woman's from years ago, 2020, trying to get Elon's

00:36:50.220 contact information and talking about the fact that he's slept with a lot of women and impregnated

00:36:57.580 them and sounds like she would like for this to happen.

00:37:00.700 And Elon retweets that old resurfaced tweet of hers and writes, whoa, that's the only response

00:37:09.700 he's given so far to this whole thing.

00:37:11.800 So we have no idea whether this is really his child's mother.

00:37:17.440 And here's, and then Ashley St. Clair is chastising him saying, you don't respond to

00:37:23.580 me.

00:37:23.860 You're not talking to me.

00:37:25.000 And now this is what you finally respond to.

00:37:27.100 We've been trying to communicate for the past several days.

00:37:29.320 You've not responded.

00:37:30.620 When are you going to reply to us instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual

00:37:33.980 who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old.

00:37:36.460 She's referring to the guy who resurfaced her old tweet, old tweet.

00:37:41.360 So it's kind of confusing, but it's a long way of saying this woman is accusing Elon of

00:37:45.960 impregnating her and not, I guess, negotiating with her on the care of the child, or at least

00:37:52.060 not to the point where she's happy with the negotiation.

00:37:56.760 She's upset about the privacy, that the tabloid's coming.

00:38:00.380 And the next day after the tweet hits, she poses for a full spread in the New York Post

00:38:08.980 in like her sexy wear, the pictures of her.

00:38:13.260 Yeah.

00:38:13.700 Like there's, she wearing a corset and this is her in this like swanky New York apartment,

00:38:20.260 which is described as like lavish.

00:38:23.080 Here she is with the floor to ceiling windows and the great views.

00:38:26.240 And I, I, all I can think as I look at this is your life is the way it is because you decided

00:38:38.460 it would be because of your choices, madam.

00:38:41.260 Like you, you set it up this way.

00:38:44.060 You, I, I posted on Twitter, you can have a swanky New York apartment.

00:38:49.560 You could earn money and actually wind up renting one yourself.

00:38:53.340 You could also find a man who wants to marry you and raise children with you and who won't

00:38:59.480 have other women in his life at the same time.

00:39:01.500 All of this is available to you, not just her, but any woman, you do not have to make

00:39:06.180 a choice where you try to bang the billionaire to get his baby so that he'll put you up in

00:39:11.000 some lavish New York city apartment and take care of you for the rest of his life.

00:39:13.780 And then be shocked, shocked when he doesn't actually want to have a relationship with you.

00:39:18.240 And the only way you can maybe get him to respond to you is via tweet.

00:39:21.700 I'm sorry, but again, you made choices.

00:39:25.120 They were very bad ones.

00:39:26.760 And these are the consequences of that.

00:39:29.840 I would say just as a numbers game, statistically, any of us could be the child of Elon Musk.

00:39:36.820 So we don't, you know, when we're trying to adjudicate the claim as to whether or not the

00:39:40.740 baby is really Elon's, you know, statistically, really any child you come across in the street

00:39:45.820 could have been sired by the head of Doge.

00:39:50.080 You know, I actually ran into Ashley at one of the inauguration events in DC because Ashley

00:39:56.780 is pretty well known among conservative media.

00:40:00.340 She's an influencer.

00:40:01.640 You know, she's, she's involved in the online right.

00:40:03.360 She had a book on kind of making fun of transgenderism, a children's book.

00:40:08.260 And so people are, are aware of her and, uh, she's very active on Twitter and Elon's very

00:40:14.060 active on Twitter.

00:40:14.760 And so I guess I'm not terribly surprised that the two of them linked up in some way,

00:40:18.400 given, uh, how prolific Elon is at producing many things, children included.

00:40:23.260 And, and so I, I guess my biggest political takeaway from the whole story, which, uh, you

00:40:29.980 know, generally men are not all that tuned into these kinds of stories.

00:40:33.460 You know, it's also not exactly a man bites dog story.

00:40:35.920 So I, I've paid a little bit of attention to it.

00:40:38.280 And my biggest takeaway is a political truth that has existed since classical antiquity

00:40:44.100 up to the present, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

00:40:50.540 And that is a lesson that not only the billionaires should know and people in media and politics

00:40:56.800 should know that is true for everyone.

00:40:59.100 And it does, does seem to appear what's, uh, to be what's going on here is that, uh, well,

00:41:04.260 as, as has been reported, Ashley St.

00:41:06.860 Clair says that she's feels jilted or what, you know, and ignored.

00:41:10.520 And, uh, and it's, it's not just right-wing influencers who are going to act out and lash

00:41:15.660 out when that, when that occurs.

00:41:16.920 That's a lot of women, you know, here's, what's crazy though.

00:41:19.280 Okay.

00:41:19.440 So Elon believes that he wants to have a lot of children and that it's important to overpopulate,

00:41:25.380 uh, the earth and says he's doing his part.

00:41:27.580 Now you could say he's a cad, but he appears to be very open about this with the women in

00:41:32.740 his life.

00:41:33.740 Um, he was, he's like, all these women are having babies by him via surrogate.

00:41:39.120 Like, so that means he's fully participating.

00:41:41.400 They're trying to get pregnant.

00:41:42.960 Not, not as far as I know this woman, I don't know.

00:41:45.180 I don't know whether this was, uh, you know, conceived the old fashioned way or via IVF,

00:41:49.460 but like they're actively trying to make babies of Elons and they're, they're into

00:41:55.300 it.

00:41:55.560 Now, I don't know whether all the women are disclosed to the other women.

00:41:58.480 I don't know.

00:41:58.960 And it's none of my business, but this woman knew all of that when she decided to get into

00:42:04.960 a relationship with him.

00:42:06.180 Yes, he's older.

00:42:07.080 He's in his fifties and she's allegedly 26 to 31.

00:42:10.500 Um, but you know, all of this.

00:42:12.720 And in fact, the, the post he resurfaced of hers on the internet shows her saying, I think

00:42:18.360 he's got like seven kids from multiple different women.

00:42:21.460 By the way, she has another kid from a different man already at 26 to 31.

00:42:26.700 Okay.

00:42:27.460 So my point is simply, if she, if this really did happen, this is really, she walked into

00:42:32.160 this eyes open.

00:42:33.140 That's fine.

00:42:33.940 No judgment.

00:42:34.760 If that's the way you want to live your life, go for it.

00:42:37.160 Sister would not be my choice.

00:42:38.580 But once you do that, once you do that, don't ask me to feel sorry for you.

00:42:44.460 Don't, don't do the sad posts about how he won't talk to you.

00:42:48.880 Don't try to go public, ginning up hatred against him for negotiating via tweet.

00:42:55.060 This is the life you chose.

00:42:58.520 I mean, I, I just, I don't understand why young women feel that they have two choices.

00:43:07.440 If they want some sort of a lavish lifestyle, um, they can, I get, well, I guess one choice

00:43:13.760 is to how, I don't understand how these women think their only road to financial success

00:43:20.200 is to marry a rich guy or get pregnant by a rich guy and make him pay for your lifestyle.

00:43:29.120 To me, it's so fucking disempowering.

00:43:31.960 Go earn your own money.

00:43:33.760 If you want to be rich, if you want a nice damn apartment, why don't you work?

00:43:40.280 Why don't you earn it?

00:43:41.840 Why are you just trying to bag some rich guy?

00:43:44.160 It's so fucked up.

00:43:45.380 It's wrong.

00:43:46.300 It's just, I feel like, okay.

00:43:48.180 And then I'm almost done.

00:43:51.120 If you do bang the rich guy, and if you do get pregnant with his child, then when it doesn't

00:43:57.040 work out, be dignified about it.

00:44:00.300 Don't go on Twitter.

00:44:01.800 I don't believe her on the tabloid story.

00:44:04.320 I don't believe her because it doesn't seem like she doesn't want publicity.

00:44:08.080 She did the whole big spread with the New York post.

00:44:10.280 She wants publicity.

00:44:11.480 Even if a tabloid was about to break it, then they break it and you say nothing.

00:44:14.780 That's the classy highbrow way of handling this.

00:44:17.460 She seems to want the attention and also at the same time want our sympathy, and I'm having

00:44:23.480 a really difficult time giving it to her.

00:44:26.380 Well, I think also to your point, Megan, whatever you think about Elon and his views on natalism,

00:44:33.040 which I think Elon is totally right that we have an underpopulation problem, and I think

00:44:37.900 he's right that people should have more children.

00:44:39.560 I would encourage people to do it the old-fashioned way.

00:44:43.660 You know, I'm a mackerel-snapping papist myself, so I think marriage is a lifelong union of a

00:44:49.040 man and a woman ordered toward the procreation and education of children and also for the

00:44:52.700 mutual support of the spouses.

00:44:53.960 But people across geography, across social classes, across everywhere are broadly confused

00:45:00.680 about these questions in part because the revolutions, especially the 1960s, really blew

00:45:06.220 up our moral and ethical thinking on these matters.

00:45:08.540 So I actually have a great deal of sympathy for people who are really confused about

00:45:11.720 it and, you know, but regardless of what you think about what Elon does, you can't say

00:45:17.180 he's hiding the ball, okay?

00:45:18.800 He is very clear about his views of natalism and IVF and all.

00:45:23.880 So, yeah, people know exactly what they're getting going into it.

00:45:27.700 That's the thing.

00:45:28.580 Yeah, I agree with you, Megan.

00:45:31.780 It's not like, oh, we got married and you promised to be mine and mine alone.

00:45:36.120 And then you impregnated me and you left me and you didn't take care of our child and you

00:45:41.160 were with other women.

00:45:41.940 That's a totally different breach of covenant.

00:45:44.700 This is like, I don't know that he breached any covenant whatsoever.

00:45:48.200 Now, he will have to take care of that child if he actually is the father.

00:45:51.020 That's the law.

00:45:51.720 And he has taken care of the other 12 he's had with others.

00:45:55.640 So I believe he will.

00:45:57.300 I don't know whether this is in fact his child and I don't know what the contract negotiation,

00:46:01.060 if any, is behind the scenes.

00:46:02.720 But I'm just saying, again, your life is the way it is because you set it up that way.

00:46:09.720 And if you've made poor choices, which have led to poor outcomes, you need to look at yourself

00:46:16.280 to get better results in the future at yourself, not at Elon, not at the tabloids, not at anyone

00:46:23.280 other than yourself, because this woman's had two children at by age 26 by two different

00:46:28.820 men.

00:46:29.320 And at least one of them, she claims, is not speaking to her or nor acknowledging paternity.

00:46:34.280 There's a problem.

00:46:35.440 And as my favorite poem says, you'll find the fault lies in you.

00:46:42.000 You have yourself to blame, which is not me blaming the woman.

00:46:45.860 It's me telling her she's empowered to change her life and make better decisions, as are

00:46:51.280 we all.

00:46:52.840 Okay, I guess now I'm done.

00:46:55.480 I've long said, Megan, my fallback plan, if my cigar company or if my podcast doesn't work

00:47:01.940 out, is to be impregnated by Elon.

00:47:04.540 Scientifically, they haven't figured out how that's going to work yet.

00:47:07.340 But there are a lot of people.

00:47:08.580 I mean, we're kind of joking about it.

00:47:10.280 There are a lot of people who, in our kind of wild kind of ethical thinking these days,

00:47:18.780 we all think we have to reinvent the wheel.

00:47:20.860 But I think one of the lessons of conservatism is that you don't have to reinvent the wheel,

00:47:26.120 that the old institutions and the old behaviors have endured for a reason.

00:47:29.840 And so I think a lot of people would be totally willing to offer grace to a single mother.

00:47:33.920 A lot of people are even willing to offer grace to people who have kind of avant-garde and

00:47:39.100 bizarre views of having children and things like that.

00:47:42.780 But all of this seems to me to be a recommendation of the old way of doing things.

00:47:48.500 That actually, the way that people have gotten married, had kids, lived their lives for statistically

00:47:55.200 all of history, those have worked out pretty well.

00:47:58.000 And so if there is some political lesson to be drawn from this, and we're talking about

00:48:01.980 multiple public figures, so there are political lessons to be drawn, seems to me that maybe

00:48:06.820 sticking with the old way of doing things is a good idea.

00:48:10.680 And in fact, that's my recommendation when it comes to most subjects.

00:48:14.060 Well, I mean, obviously in our shared Catholic church, they don't encourage any premarital sex.

00:48:19.480 I can't say that most of us abided by that.

00:48:22.260 But I would say this, if you are having premarital sex and you don't trust the other person to

00:48:29.440 do the right thing in the event of a pregnancy, and you know that you would never abort your

00:48:33.880 baby, then you better have a plan.

00:48:36.540 You know, you better, you know, to quote Fannie Willis, a man is not a plan.

00:48:42.460 You better have your own plan.

00:48:45.360 I just think like, it's, you know, the reason most people do use birth control religiously

00:48:51.760 when they're having premarital sex is because they don't want this kind of thing to happen.

00:48:55.740 And this has happened to her twice.

00:48:58.880 I don't know what their deal was, but like, she can change her life because she seems like

00:49:03.040 she was an up and comer.

00:49:04.440 She's got a big Twitter following.

00:49:06.340 There are a lot of people on the right who like this person.

00:49:09.300 She didn't need a man to create a great life for herself.

00:49:12.500 She was on her way.

00:49:14.640 And I'm afraid this is seriously going to set her back.

00:49:17.220 And I hope other women make better choices because if you want to have a baby and have

00:49:21.320 a family, you can do it.

00:49:23.000 You can do it and stay home and take care of them.

00:49:25.180 You can do it and go back to the workforce.

00:49:27.340 And either one is awesome.

00:49:28.760 But like doing it just to get a paycheck that you can have a swanky apartment on is really

00:49:35.260 fraught with peril, which you will learn the hard way if you do not heed these words of

00:49:40.580 advice.

00:49:41.500 Michael, thank you for being here.

00:49:43.580 Megan, wonderful to be with you as always.

00:49:45.100 See you next time.

00:49:45.600 Okay, see you next time.

00:49:47.360 We'll be right back with Matt Taibbi and Walter Kim.

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00:50:48.340 Democrats and the media are pushing back on claims that they're anti-free speech by, not

00:50:58.480 by recommitting to the First Amendment, God, they would never do that, but by pointing

00:51:01.560 fingers at Republicans saying they also censor.

00:51:06.220 Their latest talking point is that the Trump administration is, quote, censoring the Associated

00:51:12.000 Press for limiting the news organization's access to the White House.

00:51:16.120 I mean, basically, the Trump administration said, get out of the Oval Office and get off

00:51:22.340 of Air Force One to the Associated Press.

00:51:24.260 They still have their White House press briefing seat, which is all they're, quote, entitled

00:51:28.660 to.

00:51:29.320 They can still cover the White House.

00:51:31.900 Guess what?

00:51:32.440 The Megyn Kelly show covers President Trump better than the Associated Press from this desk.

00:51:38.120 So quit crying in your soup, Associated Press.

00:51:40.660 How can we possibly do it if we don't have a seat next to him in the Oval next to the Resolute

00:51:45.760 Desk?

00:51:46.400 This is ridiculous.

00:51:47.760 That's not censorship.

00:51:49.400 Read a dictionary.

00:51:51.500 Trump is trying to tweak the AP because they refuse to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of

00:51:59.000 America.

00:52:00.140 By the way, that's the least of the AP's problems.

00:52:03.180 They also refuse to call trans women he and him, which is what they are.

00:52:10.760 They refuse to not capitalize black when they're referring to an African-American person.

00:52:17.440 They do all sorts of stuff with their weird link.

00:52:19.980 They refuse to say he was born a man or male.

00:52:23.400 They say a signed male at birth, which is a way of making it sound like some evil doctor

00:52:29.400 just passed his judgment on that penis, not knowing whether it was secretly a vagina.

00:52:34.380 It's ridiculous.

00:52:35.680 The AP has lost its mind.

00:52:38.400 No one who's been paying attention and is anywhere in the center or to the right of it.

00:52:42.700 Trust the AP on anything.

00:52:45.360 We don't give a shit about your problems, AP.

00:52:48.400 There will be no massive organization to help you get your seat back in the Oval because we

00:52:54.440 don't give a shit.

00:52:55.360 But the left thinks we do and thinks that this is a free speech crisis that they are

00:53:03.340 trying to use to wipe out all the free speech crackdowns they have done over the past several

00:53:10.440 years.

00:53:11.620 COVID is just one example, but there have been so many, as you know.

00:53:16.300 And they had a whole hearing about free speech on Capitol Hill and censorship last week.

00:53:22.500 This is where this woman's a loon.

00:53:25.640 Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett of Texas took the debate.

00:53:30.600 Watch this.

00:53:32.460 Google Maps now show Gulf of America instead of Gulf of Mexico for app users in the United

00:53:39.400 States, which is a complete farce because it's the Gulf of Mexico.

00:53:43.660 It always has been.

00:53:44.720 And we know that the AP got kicked out yesterday because they refused to buy into this lie because

00:53:51.960 that's all y'all really want to promote is lies.

00:53:54.220 So I will end by saying this, Mr. Chairman, because I know we believe in Jesus in this

00:53:59.640 chamber.

00:54:01.040 In John 8 and 32, it says the truth shall set you free.

00:54:06.760 So maybe we should focus on a little bit of truth in this chamber.

00:54:12.420 Cool.

00:54:13.060 How was President Biden's health for the last year of his presidency?

00:54:16.960 Love to talk about it.

00:54:18.020 Let's chat.

00:54:18.700 I love I love truth, too.

00:54:20.240 Let's do it.

00:54:20.880 So Vice President J.D. Vance responded to an ex post about the matter of free speech

00:54:27.000 from former MSNBC anchor Mehdi Hassan, who's very upset about the AP issue.

00:54:36.320 So Vice President Vance responded to this Mehdi Hassan attack on the poor AP by saying,

00:54:43.900 yes, dummy, I think there's a difference between not giving a reporter a seat in the White House

00:54:49.620 press briefing room, which is actually that's not even what Trump did.

00:54:53.020 Trump did less than that and jailing people for dissenting views.

00:54:57.620 The latter is a threat to free speech.

00:54:59.700 The former is not.

00:55:00.800 Hope that helps.

00:55:01.940 Joining me now, the hosts of the America This Week podcast, author and novelist Walter

00:55:06.500 Kern and our friend Racket News editor, Matt Taibbi.

00:55:09.760 Matt was in that hearing during Congresswoman Crockett's weird rant.

00:55:14.520 Guys, great to see you.

00:55:15.980 Matt, welcome back.

00:55:17.220 Walter, welcome to the show.

00:55:18.800 Thank you.

00:55:19.500 Great to be here for having us, Megan.

00:55:21.420 So I'm sorry that you have thoughts and prayers because that must have been rather unpleasant.

00:55:26.120 Matt, what did you make of it?

00:55:28.280 Oh, that was bizarre.

00:55:29.120 She was looking, Congressman Crockett was looking right at me the entire time, talking about

00:55:35.660 how we want to lie on the world and all this other stuff.

00:55:38.940 And she was really animated.

00:55:40.520 I could not, I made the mistake of trying to follow what she was saying, which is confusing.

00:55:46.300 So yeah, it was very strange.

00:55:47.720 The whole hearing was bizarre.

00:55:49.860 Really, I was only asked one question, really, by a Democrat the entire hearing, which went

00:55:54.660 on for hours.

00:55:55.320 So what was the point of the hearing?

00:55:58.860 Why were you there?

00:56:00.000 And what was the point?

00:56:02.820 I think Jim Jordan really wanted to underscore that there are continuing issues with the censorship

00:56:08.400 landscape, which coincidentally, Vice President Vance talked about this week.

00:56:14.080 A lot of it having to do with the integration of the United States with sort of foreign and

00:56:21.020 especially European driven censorship regimes like the Digital Services Act or the Online

00:56:27.180 Safety Act or Germany's Nets DG Act.

00:56:31.500 And the United States is still basically in conflict with a lot of those countries and

00:56:37.120 suppressing a lot of forces within our own country that want those kinds of measures

00:56:41.160 here in the U.S.

00:56:43.060 All right.

00:56:44.100 So the Democrats now see an opportunity, Walter, to spin this whole thing because the Trump

00:56:50.080 administration says the AP can still go to the White House press briefing room, but can't

00:56:54.720 have the extra bonus of going into the Oval, which is an extraordinary event anyway, by the

00:56:59.900 way.

00:57:00.140 I mean, like what when did Joe Biden just randomly invite a bunch of reporters just on a moment's

00:57:04.620 notice to come visit him in the Oval and chitchat with them?

00:57:07.680 Um, they can't go on Air Force One, but many other media companies can, not the AP, but

00:57:12.720 they, they think that they're the vaunted gold standard of journalism.

00:57:17.180 So they're very, very upset.

00:57:18.960 And the many on the left are now trying to organize this sort of posse by journalists like,

00:57:24.120 yeah, I stand with the AP.

00:57:25.760 This is bullshit.

00:57:27.140 What do you make of it?

00:57:28.720 Well, the next time Delta Airlines refuses to upgrade me to a seat in the front of the plane,

00:57:34.380 I'm going to cry censorship, uh, riding in the back of the plane is not being censored.

00:57:40.440 Uh, strangely enough, Matt and I, when we applied for credentials to the democratic convention,

00:57:45.320 weren't allowed to go in at all.

00:57:47.060 So, uh, they, they, uh, protest too much.

00:57:50.460 The fact is that censorship has to do with your ability to say things, not the place from

00:57:56.280 which you listen to things.

00:57:59.100 Well said, but they don't understand that.

00:58:00.840 And what's really happening here is the AP has its feelings hurt.

00:58:06.760 It it's upset that it's not the vaunted news organization.

00:58:10.880 It once was the same way 60 minutes is not the vaunted news organization.

00:58:15.860 It once was.

00:58:16.560 And the theme of today's show for that, they have only themselves to blame, but that's

00:58:23.260 this whole show is about personal responsibility, but the AP has allowed itself to be turned into

00:58:29.280 a joke.

00:58:29.780 Go ahead, Walter.

00:58:30.900 Where, where, where does AP think the names of bodies of water come from?

00:58:35.100 God, their political designations, you know, uh, a lot of these, uh, places in America have

00:58:41.420 had three names.

00:58:42.480 They had a name when we first got here, the American Indians named it something, then the

00:58:47.580 next group of settlers named it something else.

00:58:50.020 And then when the place became a state, it was named something else.

00:58:53.460 Uh, it is government that gives names to large features of geography.

00:58:58.340 If, if the AP wants to dispute that and has some other policy about names and where they

00:59:03.580 come from, that's fine.

00:59:04.720 But the fact is they decided to have a tantrum and they got a tantrum back and now they're

00:59:11.940 crying.

00:59:12.400 I mean, don't, didn't we like change the name of Fort Bragg because people decided that was

00:59:19.560 offensive.

00:59:20.300 All these high schools out in San Francisco had their names changed when we decided that

00:59:24.300 the founding fathers, they were named after might've had a slave.

00:59:27.040 Even here in New York, closer to where I live, Matt, we've got, I got to go across the damn

00:59:31.820 Mario Cuomo bridge now instead of the Tappan Z, which is what it will always be to me because

00:59:37.160 of that loser, Andrew Cuomo.

00:59:39.420 But the AP will decide whether Trump's a lunatic and his name stick or he's not.

00:59:45.240 And they don't, whatever.

00:59:47.040 Um, and if it has to suffer any blowback, it cloaks itself in the first amendment and it's

00:59:54.060 the victim.

00:59:54.540 And there's an angle here that's kind of funny.

00:59:58.280 I think the AP doesn't understand that to a certain extent, Trump is trolling exactly

01:00:03.500 them.

01:00:03.960 The AP style book is essentially the glossary of accepted terminology that the entire print

01:00:12.800 journalism industry uses.

01:00:14.980 And when I first started off in print journalism, the style book was fairly static.

01:00:20.720 Uh, it would change every now and then.

01:00:22.800 Uh, but recently it's become this thing where there are changes constantly where they advise

01:00:27.900 you, oh, try to avoid using the work of the word woke.

01:00:31.220 Uh, if you, if you can, because it's used in a derogatory fashion by conservatives.

01:00:36.540 Uh, don't refer to the, uh, sex at birth of a transgender person.

01:00:41.340 If you can avoid doing that, they're, they're constantly instructing you on usages that go

01:00:46.100 far beyond things like grammar or official names.

01:00:49.360 And Trump, by naming the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America, like, I don't know how I feel

01:00:54.300 about that personally, but it's incredibly clear that he's sort of returning in kind,

01:00:59.460 that kind of stuff.

01:01:00.400 And for them to throw a fit over this, it's silly on two levels.

01:01:05.300 Number one, I came up in independent journalism.

01:01:07.640 Nobody ever gave me a credential.

01:01:08.940 Like you don't need a credential to be a journalist.

01:01:11.400 You can do it, as you say, Megan, from where you are, from where we're supposed to be on the

01:01:15.700 outside for the tantrum is ridiculous.

01:01:18.520 But the second thing is they do this constantly.

01:01:21.100 That's what they do.

01:01:22.440 And they're being called out on it.

01:01:24.120 It, they, they can't stand it.

01:01:26.380 And they also can't stand having like special access to power.

01:01:29.960 You guys know as well as I do that when it's a democratic administration, they get all the

01:01:34.760 leaks, they get invited to the right cocktail parties.

01:01:38.400 They feel like one of the cool kids.

01:01:40.700 And now they're on the outs.

01:01:42.780 Now they've been relegated to the nerd section where no one will swing by and say hello to

01:01:47.300 them.

01:01:47.780 Now, I think Matt and I feel the same, Walter, I assume you do too.

01:01:50.640 As a journalist, it's better, it's better to be ostracized.

01:01:53.780 It's better not to be too chummy.

01:01:55.800 It's one of the reasons why, why, even though I totally support president Trump, I don't

01:02:00.380 ask him for any favors at all.

01:02:02.640 I, it's very important that he, I know not owe him anything.

01:02:07.080 I can't owe him anything because I have to be able to do the show in a way that leaves

01:02:12.120 me free to criticize him or his administration.

01:02:13.960 But people who work at CBS and ABC and the Washington post, they're dying to stay on the

01:02:21.040 inner halls of relevance.

01:02:22.520 It's one of the reasons why the 51 intelligence agents having their access codes pulled for

01:02:28.320 all the intelligence buildings was so effective, right?

01:02:31.700 You're out.

01:02:32.560 You're no longer important, Walter.

01:02:34.620 And that kind of thing kills them.

01:02:36.340 Well, I live in Montana, about as far away as from the White House briefing room as you

01:02:41.780 can be.

01:02:43.020 But as a younger journalist, when I first went to Washington, just after Bill Clinton was

01:02:48.020 elected the first time, I did a story on the New Republic magazine, which was a very inside

01:02:52.800 publication, very popular with the Democratic establishment at the time.

01:02:56.960 And I hung around their offices for a few days.

01:02:59.880 And everybody of note, cabinet people, top advisors of the president, came through and

01:03:05.060 gave off the record briefings.

01:03:06.840 And as I sat there like a fly on the wall, I realized that the journalists were married

01:03:11.400 to the press secretaries of the people in the administration.

01:03:14.320 Everybody's kids went to school together.

01:03:16.800 They gathered that night at parties and bars.

01:03:19.440 They were, in fact, one social group, a very tight knit social group.

01:03:23.520 And I completely agree with you that proximity can become a form of corruption.

01:03:28.780 Because as a journalist, when you're socializing with people, you're constantly hearing things

01:03:33.380 that you can't report.

01:03:35.140 And after a while, you're living in a world where you know way more than you are allowed

01:03:40.600 to tell your audience.

01:03:42.000 And that makes you part of them.

01:03:44.740 In other words, you're keeping their secrets.

01:03:47.400 You're keeping their secrets more than you're telling their secrets.

01:03:50.360 And your job is to tell their secrets.

01:03:53.540 That's so true.

01:03:54.740 That's why it's like, it's dangerous to need access in that way.

01:03:59.900 It's a privilege and it's a power to be removed.

01:04:05.240 You know what I mean?

01:04:05.800 Like, it's better not to be at all their parties and rubbing elbows with all of them.

01:04:11.100 And that applies to journalists and it applies to Supreme Court justices.

01:04:16.220 You know, it's like, I think about it a lot because now I know this president better than

01:04:21.240 I've known any other president.

01:04:22.900 I saw him at the Super Bowl.

01:04:24.180 We have a nice relationship now.

01:04:25.660 We glad handed.

01:04:26.600 It was great to see him.

01:04:27.500 I'm definitely rooting for him.

01:04:28.660 I've told the audience that.

01:04:30.240 But it does not cross over.

01:04:33.020 I did not go to Mar-a-Lago on election night.

01:04:36.320 I, you know, you've got to keep somewhat of an arm's length or you become beholden to

01:04:41.660 them and you can't let your, I'm rooting for him to succeed, overcome your, I'm rooting

01:04:47.740 for myself to tell the truth to the audience, Matt.

01:04:52.080 Yeah.

01:04:52.520 I mean, I, I, I was advised as a young reporter by, you know, some people who are kind of

01:04:59.300 legendary investigative reporters at the time.

01:05:02.700 Look, if you want friends, you can't stay in this business.

01:05:07.240 This is, this is a business where you're going to lose friends.

01:05:11.180 And if you try to keep them, you're probably not doing your job correctly.

01:05:14.300 So get used to having a pretty narrow social life and then you'll be fine.

01:05:20.440 And I think, you know, what Walter's talking about, I mean, a lot of people in Washington

01:05:25.680 talk about this concept of the blob, which is everybody you meet is married to somebody

01:05:31.560 else who's a lobbyist.

01:05:32.940 And there are these interlocking relationships where every transaction that you see, whether

01:05:38.980 it's a passive piece of legislation that gets passed or, you know, an executive order, there's

01:05:44.960 a whole bunch of hidden connections that you, the public doesn't get to see, which is, you

01:05:52.220 know, it's questionable.

01:05:52.920 I think it needs to be reported on, but it's, it's worse when the reporters are part of the

01:05:57.420 equation.

01:05:57.880 Like, I think all of that interneesign, behind the scenes, all those relationships, it's

01:06:06.820 really bad if the, if the reporters are part of all that sort of hidden network, they shouldn't

01:06:13.060 be, they should be on the outside.

01:06:15.040 And that way you can trust the stuff that you see on the air much more.

01:06:19.160 Yeah.

01:06:19.460 And to Megan's point, you made a great point about Joe Biden and his condition and how well

01:06:25.700 it was hidden.

01:06:26.260 The AP was sitting in the damn front row.

01:06:29.200 Okay.

01:06:29.800 They had their front row seat.

01:06:31.620 They were able to see him shuffle in and shuffle out and be taken in and out by nurses and

01:06:36.720 aides and so on.

01:06:38.060 What good did it do the American people that the AP was in front?

01:06:41.780 None.

01:06:42.420 Their access, in fact, was probably predicated on them keeping the secret.

01:06:48.180 Maybe from the back row as an outsider and a little with a chip on their shoulder, they

01:06:52.920 might've told the truth, but as an insider feeling like they had the golden ticket, they

01:06:58.080 kept their mouth shut just like everybody else.

01:07:00.840 Now that is a form of self-censorship in the name of currying favor with power.

01:07:05.720 So this is, this brings me to the tricky subject.

01:07:11.680 Legally, it's tricky, but as my journalistic response to it is different, of what's happening

01:07:17.400 at the Department of Justice, where the DOJ, which is under Trump's command, it's part of

01:07:22.400 the executive branch, dropped the case against Eric Adams, the mayor of New York, who had

01:07:27.860 been indicted criminally for allegedly taking bribes or favors from Egypt.

01:07:31.840 And the prosecutors who were on the case from the Southern District of New York, which is

01:07:35.500 the most respected U.S. attorney's office in the country, say they had a great case

01:07:38.880 against him and he was going down.

01:07:41.480 Now he denies that and he denies having done anything wrong, but under Trump's command,

01:07:46.680 the DOJ dropped the charges against him.

01:07:48.560 And what the big story all over the papers and the left wing press over the weekend has

01:07:52.060 been the meltdown within the Southern District of New York about the dropping of these charges.

01:07:57.520 So the woman who was in charge, she was like acting in charge of that office, who's a

01:08:04.780 conservative who clerked for Scalia, who was part of the Federalist Society, so it's not

01:08:08.120 some far left crank, resigned saying, you know, basically, Mr. President, Ms. Bondi, you've

01:08:14.240 asked me to drop this case and I can't in good conscience go into court and tell the court

01:08:18.460 that we don't have grounds to prosecute this and we want to withdraw it and that it might

01:08:22.140 have been a political prosecution because it wasn't.

01:08:24.120 And like, I'm not willing to do that.

01:08:25.880 And then others down the line from her said the same thing, like, peace out.

01:08:29.640 We're not going to do this.

01:08:30.760 We're not, we're not okay with dropping this.

01:08:33.840 My own view on it is I don't really think anybody has done anything wrong.

01:08:38.540 I understand perfectly why Trump looks at this and says, it smells like a political prosecution

01:08:45.220 slash persecution to me.

01:08:47.680 I went to the Al Smith dinner.

01:08:49.840 Trump was there.

01:08:51.120 It's a big fancy dinner before the election.

01:08:53.040 It's a Catholic thing.

01:08:54.400 And Mayor Adams was there and Trump made a joke at the time.

01:08:57.020 He's like, Mayor Adams, it's been a tough week or a tough time.

01:09:01.580 And he said, I think it's going to work out.

01:09:03.760 And you could, there was sort of a funny light bonding moment between these two guys who'd

01:09:08.180 been indicted, who had reached the top of their respective, you know, circles in the political

01:09:12.920 field.

01:09:14.220 So I think Trump has actual empathy for him.

01:09:17.300 Having been through this, I genuinely think Trump is like, this is probably bullshit.

01:09:21.100 And I'm sick of this bullshit where we're just now indicting people who are in office.

01:09:25.900 And I think Trump probably did not kick the tires of the case as his deputy attorney general

01:09:31.880 admitted in ordering SDNY to drop it.

01:09:35.380 They admitted like, we actually haven't looked at whether it's strong or it's not strong.

01:09:38.440 We don't care.

01:09:39.140 Drop it.

01:09:39.700 We think he's going to work with us on anti-illegal immigration.

01:09:42.440 And we, his, his cooperation to us is important and we don't want him distracted.

01:09:47.440 And we don't really believe in this thing to begin with.

01:09:49.260 Okay.

01:09:49.520 So I think Trump didn't do anything wrong.

01:09:51.500 Neither did Emile Bove who ordered it.

01:09:53.720 And then I think the U.S. attorney was like, I don't have this in me.

01:09:57.040 I'm not going to say this was political when it wasn't.

01:09:59.900 She did the right thing too.

01:10:00.940 She, she lived by her conscience.

01:10:02.860 She resigned.

01:10:03.660 She'll be fine.

01:10:04.200 She'll get a very, very well-paying job tomorrow at literally any law firm in the United States.

01:10:11.160 And we'll be making $3 million a year within the next seven days.

01:10:16.340 Okay.

01:10:16.800 She'll be fine.

01:10:18.100 She stuck to her principles, but you know, there's a tug of war between what politicians

01:10:23.040 want and sometimes what lawyers see as right.

01:10:27.260 And I don't think it's some constitutional crisis.

01:10:30.200 I think it's just the difference in priorities, but to read one piece of paper in the left

01:10:34.740 wing press would have you believe that Trump again is creating a constitutional crisis,

01:10:39.360 that he is lawless, and that even now the conservatives at SDNY are turning on him.

01:10:46.060 Yeah, I think you're right, Megan.

01:10:49.360 I'm not a lawyer, but I, you know, I think everybody, obviously, if you don't feel that

01:10:55.420 you can in good conscience bring that case, then resigning is what you should do.

01:10:59.300 Uh, but it's the same for a whole string of, uh, stories that we've seen over the years.

01:11:05.460 And then, you know, like Gary Shapely, the IRS whistleblower, like they, they know when

01:11:08.980 they come forward that they're not going to be working, uh, you know, in, in government

01:11:13.200 anymore.

01:11:13.700 Right.

01:11:14.280 Um, so you, it's essentially resigning, right.

01:11:16.920 When you come forward and you can't come back.

01:11:19.520 But, but I actually didn't finish my point, Matt, which was, I, I meant to, but I tossed

01:11:24.020 it to you too soon.

01:11:24.660 The final point on it is the, this same press that's so upset about this.

01:11:31.720 Where the hell were they when Biden used the justice department to ruin president Trump's

01:11:38.720 life, right?

01:11:39.860 When Biden had his DOJ cooperate with local prosecutors in New York and down in the Fannie

01:11:45.460 Willis case to help put Trump behind bars, they defended it at every turn.

01:11:50.780 So I read the, their outrage about like him dropping criminal charges against somebody,

01:11:56.720 which is far less bad on the moral scale than bringing them when there is no crime.

01:12:01.540 And I think, what's on Netflix tonight?

01:12:07.260 Yeah.

01:12:07.920 I mean, the selective outrage factor in all this is, is, is pretty conspicuous.

01:12:12.060 I mean, like it, it, it goes both ways, but they massively over-reported, I think a lot

01:12:18.660 of the, the, the Trump cases, the, the, you know, particularly the, the one in New York

01:12:23.440 was such an obviously politicized case.

01:12:27.200 And there was no coverage in that direction really examining, um, how ridiculous and, and

01:12:33.700 how, uh, what a Frankensteinian legal construction that indictment was.

01:12:38.340 Uh, but you know, when, when you have a person of conscience on the other side now, and now

01:12:43.780 it becomes, you know, a soccer of type of story, um, they didn't cover the FBI whistleblowers

01:12:48.820 or the IRS whistleblowers the same way.

01:12:51.360 Uh, and that's just the way it's going to be going forward.

01:12:54.360 I mean, we're, we're in a fractured society right now.

01:12:57.060 It really is the boy who cried wolf Walter.

01:12:59.320 And now we're like, we don't care.

01:13:01.520 I know.

01:13:02.220 I know the wolves here.

01:13:03.500 I got it.

01:13:04.180 Yeah.

01:13:04.380 Okay.

01:13:05.700 They're, they're victims of their own profligacy, profligacy in this.

01:13:10.820 They dropped a prosecution that involved president Biden because he was too old and didn't have

01:13:16.180 a good memory.

01:13:17.180 They, um, or they went after Trump, uh, for documents inside Mar-a-Lago.

01:13:22.880 And I still don't know why really do you, what were the documents and what was the urgency?

01:13:27.980 We don't know, um, prosecutorial discretion is, uh, uh, recognized, uh, a recognized thing

01:13:36.900 because we could probably be prosecuting half the people on Capitol Hill for something at

01:13:42.060 any one time all day long, all year long.

01:13:44.620 That's, that's generous, Walter.

01:13:45.960 It's more than, yeah, exactly.

01:13:47.520 As Mark Twain said, Congress is the only native American criminal class.

01:13:52.080 And, uh, so, uh, that he decided to not follow through on the prosecution of a mayor of New

01:13:59.440 York city at a time when New York city is facing practically a crisis with migration.

01:14:05.280 And he has been grappling with that, uh, more fully maybe than any other big city mayor.

01:14:11.480 I think it's completely appropriate.

01:14:13.460 It's a political decision, a political risk.

01:14:16.220 And he took it.

01:14:17.440 Mm-hmm.

01:14:18.360 That's it.

01:14:19.040 Right.

01:14:19.340 And they say, oh, well, you know, his defenders say, or mayor, mayor Adams is like, well, the

01:14:23.700 only reason I got prosecuted is because I started to support a crackdown on illegal immigration.

01:14:28.600 Well, that's not true because they began the investigation into him long before he started

01:14:33.620 saying things against illegal immigration.

01:14:36.380 So that's, that isn't true, but I don't care.

01:14:38.800 He doesn't have to start lying about it.

01:14:40.280 It's like Trump doesn't believe in the case.

01:14:43.500 Trump wants him on Trump's side as he tries to crack down on this ridiculous corruption

01:14:49.300 of a sanctuary city through all these illegal immigrants.

01:14:52.780 And he thinks he's got a live one here who, who will work with him.

01:14:57.220 Unlike every other Democrat politician who's going to take over in this city as mayor, he

01:15:00.960 will work with him.

01:15:01.640 And Trump sees an opportunity here.

01:15:03.400 That's good enough for me.

01:15:04.640 I just saw one of my far left friends who's like a complete lib Dem voter.

01:15:09.640 And he said, I couldn't care less about any of this bullshit.

01:15:13.180 Like this stuff is not resonating.

01:15:15.780 You know, that he's not prosecuting Eric Adams.

01:15:19.020 He's, he's letting federal bureaucrats go.

01:15:22.360 He's not sending the aid checks to the trans opera in Cambodia.

01:15:27.000 Like it's not penetrating Walter.

01:15:29.560 And they're, they're frustrated.

01:15:31.400 No, it's not working.

01:15:34.440 And that's because trying to make America feel something for the bureaucrats who made

01:15:40.900 their lives hell during COVID and paid no price themselves, who got to go home, work from

01:15:46.940 home and stayed home ever after, sometimes taking other jobs.

01:15:52.000 Those are not the people that in traditional left-wing politics, we are out to support.

01:15:57.420 The American left was a party of the working people, not the people who work at the DMV

01:16:04.580 or the IRS or the U S treasury, but the people who work in factories, fields, and actual jobs

01:16:11.260 and trying to make those people a victim class.

01:16:15.220 It's just not going to work there though.

01:16:18.740 They will try mightily.

01:16:20.440 I mean, the Trump derangement syndrome was on full display among other places when Pete

01:16:25.400 Hegseth went across the pond the other day and he was, uh, was it in Brussels?

01:16:29.620 Yeah.

01:16:29.960 On Thursday, giving a speech over there, his first international trip as department of

01:16:34.360 defense secretary and committed the sin of drinking some water.

01:16:40.800 Did you see this online, Matt?

01:16:42.880 He drank water in a clear glass.

01:16:47.140 And the crazy thing about water in a clear glass is it can look clear or it can look colored

01:16:53.920 depending on like what's your notes, the curtains, this, right.

01:17:01.100 And so you had that genius, Matt Iglesias questioning whether Pete was drinking bourbon openly in front

01:17:14.140 of the world, his second week or third week as defense secretary.

01:17:18.780 I assume this is a trick of the light and he's not actually throwing back bourbon on camera,

01:17:22.460 but it's interesting that the water looks brown.

01:17:26.480 It's interesting.

01:17:27.700 Is it not, Matt?

01:17:30.000 I mean, this has been going on for a long time.

01:17:33.700 This kind of journalism by implication.

01:17:35.560 Uh, it started, I think really with the Russiagate stuff where, I mean, remember we had a cover

01:17:42.440 story in New York magazine that suggested Donald Trump would have been recruited by the KGB,

01:17:47.980 like before the village people basically.

01:17:50.280 Uh, and it was just based on a hunch, uh, you know, look, let's look at all these dots,

01:17:56.280 these connections.

01:17:57.160 Could he be a Russian agent?

01:17:58.360 You know, is, is there a Manchurian candidate in the white house?

01:18:00.800 That's how, that's how they do it.

01:18:02.160 It's journalism by question.

01:18:03.560 Um, I'm not saying that he's drinking bourbon, but could he be drinking bourbon?

01:18:08.080 Um, you know, you're not really, you're not supposed to do that.

01:18:11.680 Uh, I know in the age of, you know, content being needed all the time and influencers,

01:18:17.980 we do speculate a lot, but there are some lines we, we try not to cross and that's kind of one

01:18:22.920 of them.

01:18:23.600 I, you know what I would, I mean, he knows it's, it's implications because the tabloid press

01:18:27.920 tried to suggest that Pete's a drunk.

01:18:30.060 The Democrats tried to, uh, suggest he's a drunk and a wife beater without any evidence

01:18:35.460 at their, at his confirmation hearing.

01:18:37.720 And here he is three weeks.

01:18:38.620 And he said, I won't, a drink will not touch my lips.

01:18:41.560 If I am confirmed to this position, you know, I have been drinking in the past, but it will

01:18:46.080 not touch my lips.

01:18:46.760 And the stupidity of like his third week, he's like, yeah, bourbon in the public eye

01:18:53.100 while he's giving his first international speech.

01:18:55.260 I would have said if I really wanted to drink and get away with it at the podium, I'd be

01:18:59.980 drinking vodka, you know, uh, nice and clear.

01:19:03.280 And I can have as much of it as I want.

01:19:05.060 In fact, I won't be drinking as much of it though, as Winston Churchill drank by the morning,

01:19:09.900 uh, who led us in world war two and was absolutely wasted the whole time.

01:19:15.880 Um, he should have just thrown it back at them.

01:19:18.720 Every time Donald Trump used to wipe his nose in the first Trump administration, they said

01:19:23.780 he was snorting Adderall.

01:19:25.240 I don't know if you remember that.

01:19:26.860 Um, or snorting, you know, everybody wipes their noses, snorting Coke.

01:19:31.180 Everybody's drink catches the light is drinking whiskey.

01:19:34.660 Meanwhile, if you really go up to Capitol Hill and you go to the Senate and you hang

01:19:39.420 out, a lot of them are getting wasted during the day.

01:19:42.300 Okay.

01:19:43.060 Oh yeah.

01:19:43.700 Remember that one Senator, was it Mark Mullen?

01:19:45.700 One of them was like, Daph, have you been drunk before you go to the Senate floor and

01:19:49.560 vote?

01:19:50.020 He said to Pete.

01:19:51.140 Right, right.

01:19:51.800 Just recently.

01:19:52.800 Yeah.

01:19:53.500 Go on.

01:19:54.640 What?

01:19:55.100 Who specifically?

01:19:56.200 By the way, before we take a break, was Kamala Harris drunk in this clip or wasn't she?

01:19:59.900 It went everywhere while we're on the topic of public drunkenness.

01:20:03.320 She appeared at a Broadway show and had the meet and greet with the cast after the fact.

01:20:08.380 I, I don't know.

01:20:09.640 You, I report, you decide.

01:20:12.420 Barrett's tired, but it cannot be defeated.

01:20:14.960 When we think about like these moments where we see things that are being taken, but also

01:20:22.440 let's see it as, you know, nature pours a vacuum.

01:20:25.080 So where some, where there's a vacancy, then let's fill it.

01:20:28.000 And let's know that the, the reality is that the progress of our nation has always been

01:20:36.280 about the expansion of rights, not the restriction of rights.

01:20:39.100 We're seeing a U-turn right now, but we have to keep fighting.

01:20:43.160 Oh, touched your nose.

01:20:44.540 For those rights to be maintained, which means we have to be vigilant.

01:20:47.140 And it's just the nature of, we have to, we have to be clear eyed.

01:20:51.220 And it doesn't mean we don't see the beauty in everything.

01:20:54.340 Right?

01:20:55.680 These things all coexist.

01:20:58.260 But I believe we fight for something, not against God.

01:21:01.360 I, I'm going to give you my verdict, not drunk, just her normal self.

01:21:16.480 That's how she is.

01:21:17.720 And full of profundities, Walter.

01:21:19.540 I feel like you were really moved.

01:21:22.040 Well, everybody in the audience was trolling her with their oohs and aahs.

01:21:25.960 They didn't feel those for a second.

01:21:27.880 They were putting them on.

01:21:29.020 Um, nothing, she is the queen of pseudo-prevundity.

01:21:32.920 If she hears the word yes, she said, we say yes to this, but no to that.

01:21:37.820 If we're for this, we're against that.

01:21:39.820 She's always trying to make some sort of oratorical Ciceronian point out of absolutely nothing.

01:21:46.360 And, uh, but I do think she was drunk and I think she had a mixture of, if, you know,

01:21:51.540 now that we're allowed to speculate and not be libelous.

01:21:53.960 Sure.

01:21:54.300 Pete Egg said.

01:21:55.140 Matt Egalizis, open the door.

01:21:56.520 Yeah, she was drunk and I think she had a little bit of, uh, stimulant on board.

01:22:01.560 That was giving her the confidence to talk at all.

01:22:04.620 And the drunkenness was giving her the absolute mindless stupidity when she talked.

01:22:10.940 I feel like I've seen this a million times.

01:22:13.560 Either she's always drunk when she's talking or she was just her normal self.

01:22:17.300 This is how she talks.

01:22:18.500 She fills the air with absolute nothingness.

01:22:21.560 You feel like you ate a big air sandwich.

01:22:24.080 Then she walks away.

01:22:25.380 That's her MO.

01:22:26.380 I, what am I missing, Matt?

01:22:29.040 No, nothing.

01:22:29.980 I mean, I, having covered her in Iowa and on the campaign trail in 2020, I know a lot of

01:22:36.060 journalists kind of struggled with how to comment on scenes like that.

01:22:40.540 Um, there are a lot of things that come to mind, uh, but you had to speak in code when

01:22:45.940 you talk to your readers, uh, about stuff like that.

01:22:49.360 Yes.

01:22:49.740 She, she was essentially making, spinning these giant sandcastles of nothingness.

01:22:54.460 Um, but there, it's impossible to convey the exact impression that she's giving while,

01:22:59.520 uh, she goes off in these rants.

01:23:01.420 Um, you have to watch it to, Oh, do we have it?

01:23:06.780 Do we have the part they took out in 60 minutes where she sounded just like this?

01:23:10.520 I don't know if we do.

01:23:11.680 No, I don't think we do.

01:23:12.460 I showed it last week, but if you listen to the 60 minutes interview that they released

01:23:17.600 to the FCC, this is this kind of stuff they took out to try to make her sound like a more

01:23:22.440 serious person where she did her ambitions and aspirations and dreams.

01:23:26.960 I really think in the nature of whores vacuum, she sounded like that with them.

01:23:33.140 So they ran cover for her.

01:23:34.960 The Broadway folks did the, as Walter says, and, um, I'll let you guys know jazz hands.

01:23:42.980 That was a jazz hands moment.

01:23:45.240 You know, there was a little jazz handy thing going on.

01:23:47.600 Go ahead, Walter.

01:23:48.280 Well, if nature of whores vacuum, now we know why she wasn't elected because we do too.

01:23:53.000 Um, but she's always, she's always, she talked about a vacant.

01:23:56.960 That needs to, if there's a vacancy, it needs to be filled there.

01:24:00.800 Um, it's very Freudian.

01:24:03.560 This concept of emptiness seems to be on her mind a lot.

01:24:08.080 Yes.

01:24:09.000 Preacher, heal thyself.

01:24:10.940 All right.

01:24:11.380 Stand by guys.

01:24:12.060 Quick break.

01:24:12.480 We'll be right back.

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01:24:51.380 Elon and Trump sat together with Hannity for a joint interview that will air on Hannity's

01:24:57.600 show on the Fox News channel this evening.

01:25:00.080 They put out a clip previewing it.

01:25:02.760 Take a look.

01:25:03.160 Now you're going to rescue astronauts.

01:25:06.980 And now, again, you do all of this.

01:25:13.160 I would think liberals would love the fact that you have the biggest electric vehicle company

01:25:18.060 in the world.

01:25:19.180 Yeah.

01:25:19.440 I mean, I used to be adored by the left.

01:25:21.040 Not anymore.

01:25:22.060 Less so these days.

01:25:23.080 You killed that, huh?

01:25:23.960 I mean, less so.

01:25:25.160 I really did.

01:25:26.280 I mean, there's this whole sort of, like, you know, they call it, like, Trump derangement

01:25:31.040 syndrome.

01:25:31.720 And I didn't, you know, you don't realize how real this is until, like, it's, you can't

01:25:36.160 reason with people.

01:25:37.000 So, like, I was at a friend's birthday party in LA, just a birthday dinner, and it was

01:25:41.520 like a nice, quiet dinner, and everything was, everyone was behaving normally, and I

01:25:45.020 happened to mention, this was before the election, like a month or two before, I happened

01:25:48.000 to mention the president's name, and it was like they got shot with a dart in the jugular

01:25:52.100 that contained, like, methamphetamine and rabies, okay?

01:25:55.100 And they're like, wah!

01:25:57.140 And I'm like, what is wrong?

01:25:58.460 Guys, like, you just can't have, like, a normal conversation.

01:26:01.500 And it's like, it's like they become completely irrational.

01:26:06.680 Okay.

01:26:08.040 Nobody doubts that, right?

01:26:09.520 That has the ring of truth.

01:26:11.600 We all know that that's true.

01:26:13.480 And he's not the only Democrat to, you know, have people turn on him when he became more

01:26:18.560 Trump-adjacent or Trump, you know, red-pilled, whatever.

01:26:21.940 But now the Democrats, in the scramble to try to figure out how to respond, you know, the

01:26:26.860 AP indignation, they're downgrading, have come up with a master plan.

01:26:32.700 There are more and more reports about how they're frustrated at the fact that Musk, for

01:26:36.900 example, his Doge account has 4 million followers on X, and the Democrat, the DNC resistance has

01:26:43.460 100,000.

01:26:44.280 So it's not going well, like, they can't find a way of counterbalancing this very powerful

01:26:49.640 team.

01:26:50.420 But they've stumbled upon a possibility.

01:26:52.920 It's just a possibility.

01:26:55.240 We saw a preview of it at the Doge subcommittee meeting on Wednesday.

01:27:00.460 I know you guys talked about this on your show.

01:27:02.580 Here is Democrat Robert Garcia from California, ready to change the conversation.

01:27:09.460 It's not 36.

01:27:09.980 Now, I find it ironic, of course, that our chairwoman, Congresswoman Green, is in charge

01:27:15.600 of running this committee.

01:27:17.080 Now, in the last Congress, Chairwoman Green literally showed a dick pic in our oversight

01:27:22.540 congressional hearing.

01:27:23.760 So I thought I'd bring one as well.

01:27:28.680 Now, this, of course, we know is President Elon Musk.

01:27:33.440 He's also the world's richest man.

01:27:35.660 He was the biggest political donor in the last election.

01:27:38.480 He has billions of dollars in conflicts of interest.

01:27:42.100 And we know that he is leading a power grab, also abided by and encouraged by Donald Trump

01:27:48.140 and, of course, the chairwoman, Congresswoman Green.

01:27:51.540 So he's showing for the listening audience a picture of just Elon Musk sitting there in

01:27:55.560 a tux as this alleged dick pic.

01:27:58.420 Real clever.

01:27:59.620 So then he goes on CNN on Wednesday and gets asked about it and defends it.

01:28:03.340 Watch.

01:28:03.560 I want to hear why.

01:28:07.020 But do you think that calling Elon Musk a dick is effective messaging for confronting

01:28:14.560 what is a potentially irreversible transformation of the U.S. government?

01:28:19.240 Well, he is a dick.

01:28:24.000 I'm going to give you the floor.

01:28:24.940 But I will just say, as a former cable news anchor, I would never utter that word on my

01:28:28.940 show.

01:28:29.440 It's one thing on this show, podcasting, is my show is rated explicit, where it's a much

01:28:33.920 more less formal conversation.

01:28:35.720 I would never have said that if I were her.

01:28:37.580 I felt uncomfortable watching her do it.

01:28:40.020 The whole thing made me uncomfortable, which I think is why it's ineffective.

01:28:43.200 But what do you guys think?

01:28:46.420 We talked about this on our on our show.

01:28:49.060 They're trying to get a piece of the spontaneous and sometimes obscene and some sometimes off

01:28:57.020 color trolling style humor that exists on the Trump side.

01:29:03.720 But the whole point of that is that you can't script it.

01:29:07.120 You can't do your normal shtick and just add the word dick to it and get more traffic

01:29:12.260 that way.

01:29:14.720 It's actually exponentially worse than what you were doing before.

01:29:19.340 Right.

01:29:19.500 Because now you're just doing it's the same old thing.

01:29:22.020 But let's let's just add a useless obscenity that we ourselves look uncomfortable saying.

01:29:28.540 You know, it's one thing if it just comes right out of you as part of a spiel that rolls

01:29:34.700 off the tongue.

01:29:35.560 But if you have a staff of people in whatever committee room coming up with let's just call

01:29:40.720 him a dick, that tells me that they're messaging that they have nothing left in the in the

01:29:48.960 basket in terms of messaging ideas.

01:29:51.600 Rebels and outside rebels and outsiders like the Trump administration and the people around

01:29:57.800 Trump have access to a vocabulary of outrage and sometimes obscenity that they have to use

01:30:04.200 back to fight back against authority.

01:30:06.460 But when authority starts, when the administration starts going after Animal House using the

01:30:12.220 same language, it just looks ridiculous.

01:30:16.280 You know, it's like the U.S.

01:30:18.100 cavalry picking up bows and arrows because it's been shot at by, you know, the Sioux warriors.

01:30:22.860 And it says, I don't know how these things work, but they seem to be really good at killing

01:30:27.200 people.

01:30:27.700 Boing!

01:30:28.580 You know, learn to say dick and learn to be convincing and sound like you're in a bar room.

01:30:35.000 But when you're doing it from the cable desk, like you say, Megan, all you're doing is lowering

01:30:39.640 yourself.

01:30:40.500 And they won by getting you to use the weapon of the outsider.

01:30:46.100 And they did it badly.

01:30:48.080 That's exactly right.

01:30:49.080 That's right.

01:30:49.700 Had I been a cable news chair, I would have said a D pick and people would have understood.

01:30:53.900 But you're right.

01:30:54.340 When you phone, when you say, when you're in your like serious presentation or like, why

01:30:58.200 did you feel it was important to call him a dick?

01:31:00.820 It doesn't.

01:31:01.480 Everyone's uncomfortable.

01:31:02.360 Not don't don't go there.

01:31:06.080 But they're scrambling.

01:31:07.000 This is Anna Navarro on The View being open about the fact that they're they can't get

01:31:13.700 there.

01:31:14.080 So the messaging is everywhere and she's unsatisfied with the resistance.

01:31:17.940 It's not 18.

01:31:19.980 Democrats need to do the opposition, the resistance, whatever you want to call the folks that are

01:31:25.000 against everything that Donald Trump is doing.

01:31:26.800 We need to have a way of reaching people, whether it's social media, whether it's a

01:31:31.580 website, whether it's what, so that people can understand what is happening.

01:31:36.400 That's what what they need is a website, Matt.

01:31:38.860 If they could first day after the election, they're like, we need our own Joe Rogan.

01:31:42.660 If only we could find a Democratic Joe Rogan, totally not understanding that Joe Rogan has

01:31:47.480 been a Democrat this entire time up until about two minutes ago.

01:31:50.660 Now, if we could just get like a website.

01:31:53.300 But meanwhile, they control all the websites, maybe a maybe a blog.

01:31:58.840 Maybe they should try getting a blog.

01:32:01.160 You know, if only we controlled massive cable operations or broadcast news channels or wire

01:32:07.100 services.

01:32:08.220 What can we do?

01:32:11.140 You know, the Democrats seem always to think that everything is a messaging problem.

01:32:16.000 And if they just change a PR strategy, then it will change some kind of underlying reality

01:32:23.200 that they're not in touch with.

01:32:24.280 There was a great play by Joseph Heller, who is the author of Catch-22 called We Bomb the

01:32:29.500 New Haven.

01:32:30.120 And there was a character in it who says, we're going to bomb Constantinople off the map.

01:32:34.800 And somebody else says, why don't we just bomb the map?

01:32:37.060 And that's what they're always trying to do.

01:32:40.120 They're trying to take the shortcut to to actually connecting with voters or changing

01:32:46.340 their policy or changing the actual political direction of what they do to to gather more

01:32:51.180 voters by changing the message.

01:32:53.880 And they've done that so many times, not realizing that you have to actually make some kind of

01:33:00.260 substantive offer to the people that's different than what you were doing before for them to

01:33:05.480 take notice, just like more, a different presentation doesn't change much.

01:33:09.740 But they can't because they still misunderstand at every turn why Trump was found so appealing

01:33:17.600 by 80 million plus people, by over half the electorate.

01:33:22.400 They don't get it.

01:33:24.020 And in nowhere was that more apparent than in the absurd off in its tone and content

01:33:31.000 Saturday Night Live skit with Tom Hanks.

01:33:33.380 I was off yesterday, so we didn't get to talk about this, but it was ridiculous at their

01:33:39.340 50th anniversary party.

01:33:40.960 They parade Tom Hanks out there as this like dumb, rural, MAGA supporter with the hat who's

01:33:49.460 of course racist too and won't shake the hand of the black Jeopardy.

01:33:55.780 It's a skit on SNL called Black Jeopardy and won't shake his hands, obviously, because Trump

01:34:02.120 supporters hate black people.

01:34:03.780 Here it is.

01:34:05.660 Oh, well, thank you.

01:34:06.640 Hey, now speaking of church, can I say something?

01:34:09.280 If more folks went to church, we wouldn't be in this mess we're in now.

01:34:14.840 You know what?

01:34:15.300 I agree with you, Doug.

01:34:16.040 I'd like to shake your hand, sir.

01:34:17.240 Here we go.

01:34:18.580 Oh, no, no.

01:34:19.360 Like that.

01:34:20.000 Oh, no, no.

01:34:20.340 It's just a handshake.

01:34:21.840 Yeah, it's just a handshake.

01:34:22.640 Yeah, all right.

01:34:23.300 You're welcome in Black Jeopardy anytime.

01:34:24.480 Oh, well, all right.

01:34:25.760 Well, thank you, my brother.

01:34:28.240 You know, maybe I'll start a show for you to come on and we'll call it What Jeopardy?

01:34:33.560 No.

01:34:34.020 We don't need it.

01:34:35.000 We don't need it.

01:34:39.040 So off.

01:34:40.000 Your thoughts?

01:34:40.320 Terrible.

01:34:42.220 Can I jump in, Matt?

01:34:44.260 First of all, why does using a Southern accent exempt you from all the charges of stereotyping

01:34:52.000 and so on?

01:34:53.940 You know, he gets used a Southern accent and it's across the board, a pejorative, something

01:34:58.580 we're supposed to recoil from.

01:35:00.260 He's that's the racism, if you want to look at it.

01:35:03.140 Second of all, I didn't even know that Tom Hanks would stoop to this kind of thing.

01:35:09.520 It's terrible writing.

01:35:10.800 It was a terrible skit.

01:35:12.180 And he was the big loser.

01:35:14.740 I see people all over social media going, I don't think I'm going to be watching him again

01:35:20.600 anytime soon.

01:35:22.560 It was shocking.

01:35:23.740 Wasn't it, Matt?

01:35:24.500 Like somebody who tries so carefully, like not to be too divisive in his choices, to

01:35:28.900 come right out and suggest he thinks Trump supporters are racists.

01:35:33.220 There's two things about this.

01:35:34.340 This is an old trope in media and in comedy, right?

01:35:37.600 It's the it's the urban sophisticate who's picking on the rural hayseed.

01:35:42.720 And people have been doing this since there's been journalism, since, you know, H.L.

01:35:48.100 Mencken was an expert practitioner in this, right?

01:35:50.460 Going and going to Tennessee and picking on all the local folks during the Scopes Monkey

01:35:56.140 trial.

01:35:56.420 But A, you have to be accurate.

01:36:00.200 In other words, the caricature has to be successful and true in some way and not just some stereotype

01:36:06.780 idea that you picked up by not observing people in real life.

01:36:11.920 The other thing is, if you're going to do that, if you're going to use the sharpest scalpel

01:36:17.260 that you have in your drawer, you got to do it on the on your own people, too.

01:36:22.120 And that's why it's OK when you read Mencken, he goes after the people who live in Baltimore

01:36:27.240 and his peers and politicians and people on both sides of the aisle with just as much

01:36:32.920 viciousness as he did the people in rural Tennessee.

01:36:36.120 That's what's missing from this show.

01:36:39.360 It just it's it's not funny because it's just a stereotype and it's not meant to go in all

01:36:45.820 directions.

01:36:47.080 And it's it's mean.

01:36:48.240 It's like, you know, Tom Hanks, I'm sure he's worth a billion dollars.

01:36:52.580 I'm sure he's got multiple mansions across the world.

01:36:56.460 He probably has or at least can afford a yacht, every fancy sports car he wants.

01:37:02.520 And you know who got it for him?

01:37:04.520 All of us guys like the one he's making fun of right there who went to see Forrest Gump

01:37:10.320 and big and all the fun Tom Hanks movies and never once thought that he was judging them

01:37:16.200 as stupid, rural, worth nothing racists.

01:37:21.400 But he just sold Forrest Gump down the river.

01:37:25.080 He did a Forrest Gump imitation and now he's now he's a racist.

01:37:28.600 He just all that good work went away.

01:37:32.120 Shame on him.

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01:39:40.800 Yesterday, a Delta Airlines flight from Minneapolis to Toronto crashed while landing in Canada.

01:39:52.720 Have you seen this?

01:39:54.280 Stunning video showed the plane hitting the runway, catching on fire, and flipping upside

01:39:59.840 down.

01:40:00.840 Unbelievably, all 80 people on board survived.

01:40:05.440 They got out and they survived.

01:40:06.800 Here to break down what could have caused this are aviation experts Matt Wizz Buckley, decorated

01:40:12.320 U.S. naval aviator and Top Gun graduate, and Gregory Fythe, former National Transportation

01:40:18.240 Safety Board air safety investigator.

01:40:20.680 Wizz, Greg, welcome.

01:40:22.000 Thank you for being here.

01:40:23.040 This is so scary looking.

01:40:26.300 Let's just show it.

01:40:27.300 So you see it coming in for a landing.

01:40:29.940 It's obviously a snowy day.

01:40:32.380 The runway has snow and it's a huge jet.

01:40:35.640 When I heard regional jet, I thought small.

01:40:37.680 No, it's a huge jet.

01:40:38.880 And fire, fire when the wheels touch down, or so it looks, followed by a cloud of black

01:40:45.940 smoke.

01:40:46.720 It's very clear.

01:40:47.880 I don't know why this guy was filming this particular landing, but man, he got the whole

01:40:51.200 thing.

01:40:52.060 It went on its side.

01:40:53.340 It then flipped upside down.

01:40:55.440 And somehow everyone survived.

01:40:58.180 So Wizz, how does this happen?

01:41:00.960 Well, Megan, thanks for having me back again.

01:41:02.620 And sadly, under these circumstances, or actually, since everybody got out, I guess we're okay.

01:41:08.480 Megan, the first thing, when I saw the in-cockpit video this morning, I heard you reading your

01:41:14.180 email in the last block there.

01:41:16.120 Then I guess I can talk like this.

01:41:17.920 That jet was coming down like a turd off a tall moose.

01:41:21.680 Landing an F-18 aboard an aircraft carrier.

01:41:24.540 Our average rate of descent is about 800 feet per minute.

01:41:27.980 And I think the last flight tracker data that I saw for this RJ was about 1,100 feet per

01:41:34.320 minute.

01:41:34.740 So that RJ came down a lot faster and harder than I would have landed aboard the boat.

01:41:41.900 And I think, you know, one of the officials yesterday or last night said, hey, crosswind

01:41:46.720 wasn't an issue.

01:41:47.980 Whenever anything like this happens, Megan, I grab my aviation app and I immediately look

01:41:52.160 at the weather, see what the weather is.

01:41:53.620 And landing on runway 23, the winds were out at 270, so about 40 degrees off the nose or

01:42:00.440 down the runway in really gusty conditions.

01:42:03.320 So it looks like this airplane didn't really have too much of a flare, which is when you

01:42:09.540 get close into the runway, we pull the nose back, pull back on the throttles and kind of

01:42:13.520 do that nice, what we as Navy pilots would say, Air Force landing.

01:42:17.400 But this landing was hard and it looks like it sheared off the right main landing gear,

01:42:24.100 took the wing with it.

01:42:25.120 And then the only wing that was left, the left wing, still producing lift, they kind

01:42:29.460 of corkscrew and roll down the runway.

01:42:32.860 But my God, you know, we jokingly in aviation say any landing we can walk away from is a good

01:42:38.160 landing.

01:42:38.840 That was a pretty bad landing.

01:42:40.660 And thank God a lot of people walked away.

01:42:43.360 But just to clarify what you're saying, so they say weather's not an issue, but you're

01:42:47.000 saying you have questions about that based on the data that you saw.

01:42:50.760 Oh, my God.

01:42:51.160 Yeah.

01:42:51.420 I mean, whether if they're talking about clouds or low ceilings or anything like that, just

01:42:55.060 because the sun is out doesn't mean the weather is great.

01:42:58.980 Very, very gusty conditions.

01:43:00.440 When I looked at my phone after the mishap, it was 25 gusts, 45 knots, which is absolutely

01:43:06.960 significant.

01:43:08.340 That's that's some sporty wind conditions.

01:43:11.120 If it's right down the runway, right on the nose, it's fine.

01:43:15.140 Still a little sporty.

01:43:15.980 But if it's, you know, 40 degrees off, you know, you're kind of crabbing, crabbing into

01:43:21.040 the end of the wind and having to take that crab out at the last second.

01:43:25.400 Very, very sporty conditions.

01:43:28.900 So I what a what a word or varsity or or JV, however you want to word it.

01:43:35.260 It was definitely, you know, not not pleasant conditions.

01:43:39.460 So whether if you're dangerous, obviously.

01:43:42.800 So so, do you agree with that?

01:43:44.260 And if if so, you know, I always like I always like to tell myself if somebody used to fly

01:43:48.640 out of O'Hare all the time in very snowy, bad conditions, they wouldn't let the plane

01:43:53.700 take off if this weren't safe to fly in.

01:43:56.700 So what should they not have been flying planes in this kind of wind?

01:44:02.080 No, these I mean, these winds, as Wizz will tell you, are winds that pilots are trained

01:44:07.840 to handle.

01:44:08.900 There are certain limitations, not only with the aircraft, but the airline sets a policy

01:44:13.340 about wind conditions as well.

01:44:14.980 But when you look at this landing in the video, that aircraft was coming down at a high rate

01:44:21.320 of descent.

01:44:22.000 You typically will go into a flare and arrest that descent so that when you touch down,

01:44:27.960 your rate of descent is maybe 100 to 200 feet a minute rather than 1100.

01:44:33.100 The nominal is about five to 700 feet per minute.

01:44:37.600 So wait, just put that in layman's terms.

01:44:39.920 You're saying it was coming down faster than it should have been?

01:44:43.240 Absolutely.

01:44:43.680 Almost double, almost twice as fast as it should have been.

01:44:47.860 And again, that's the problem is you saw the right wing drop just before the airplane touched

01:44:54.200 down on the runway.

01:44:55.460 That's what took all that high energy impact was that right main landing gear, the wing.

01:45:00.960 That's what snapped it off.

01:45:02.120 And as Wizz said, the left wing was still producing lift, which rolled that airplane and got it sliding

01:45:07.960 sideways.

01:45:08.400 I'm going to be interested to know from the flight data recorder, not only what the G trace, that's the G impact, because it's a recorded

01:45:18.380 parameter.

01:45:18.920 How many G forces were experienced on that landing?

01:45:22.300 But to determine whether or not the actual nose of the airplane was cocked off center.

01:45:28.060 A lot of times in these crosswinds, and there were crosswinds, they were gusty crosswinds.

01:45:32.880 And as Wizz knows, when you're flying, you'll typically add a gust factor.

01:45:37.560 You'll actually increase your speed by half the gust factor to give you more controllability.

01:45:43.880 All of these things are going to have to be dissected by the investigators to see what kind of flying and who was flying at the time of the accident.

01:45:54.060 I want to point out, we got that video that we're showing from an account on X called Air Main Engineer, just a stunningly perfect video.

01:46:02.360 I mean, I'm sure at the NTSB, Greg, you would have been thrilled to have this kind of a video of a plane crash.

01:46:10.000 Megan, I'll tell you, I call it the electronic witness.

01:46:13.800 You know, years past, when I first went to work for the board a long time ago, you'd spend a lot of time hunting down witnesses, and then you'd have to ferret out fact from fiction.

01:46:23.640 They'd tell you a thousand different stories, and you tried to pick the factoids.

01:46:27.400 Now, we have an electronic witness.

01:46:29.480 It doesn't lie.

01:46:30.320 It just basically records the artifacts of the accident.

01:46:34.640 This is great for investigators because this information, in combination with flight data recorder information, and then, of course, CVR and the crew interviews, is going to put a very complete story together in a very short period of time.

01:46:49.400 Now, Wiz, this is, okay, I'm told that this is a CRJ-900 configured with seats for 70 to 76 passengers.

01:46:58.900 It looks huge.

01:47:00.320 It doesn't look like one of those small regional jets.

01:47:03.780 God rest them, like the folks who went down from Kansas into D.C., you know, the last time we were talking to you.

01:47:09.140 It looks larger to me, but I know you did mention then, and I've read in connection with this, that those regional pilots are not quite as trained as the, you know, big old American Airlines jet pilots that we have on the, you know, D.C. 10s or 747s that we fly.

01:47:28.460 Well, let me rephrase that or clean that up a little bit.

01:47:32.940 They're certainly trained, right?

01:47:34.360 The FAA has standards.

01:47:35.960 You have to meet these minimum standards.

01:47:38.320 Endeavor Air has standards.

01:47:40.100 So, clearly, those two aviators sitting in front of that regional jet had met the standards, the minimum standards.

01:47:46.760 I think what the nuance is experience.

01:47:49.520 That's probably, I'll clean it up by saying experience.

01:47:52.200 Not to, you know, not to talk down to any folks in the regional jet, you know, I wasn't born the world's best fighter pilot, or actually I was.

01:48:01.760 But you're not born, you're not born with thousands and thousands of flight hours, right?

01:48:07.180 You're, you got to get your hours somewhere.

01:48:09.900 So, a lot of the folks in the regionals are doing their time, right?

01:48:13.440 They're building their hours.

01:48:15.220 I don't know too many folks who make flying in the regionals or career.

01:48:18.560 They want to fleet up, so to speak, to the main line, to Delta, United, FedEx, where the big money is.

01:48:25.080 So, a lot of these regional jet crews are overworked and definitely underpaid, in my opinion.

01:48:31.000 But they have got to meet the minimum requirements.

01:48:33.480 Would you fly as a passenger on a regional jet?

01:48:37.980 I would, Megan.

01:48:39.180 I mean, these, the fact that all of these, you know, before we jumped on the air, Greg and I were talking about, you know, last week, we lost a growler, an E-18 crash.

01:48:47.560 We had an F-35 crash in Eilson Air Force Base weeks ago.

01:48:52.180 And then we've had all these other mishaps.

01:48:54.140 If these were spread out over the fiscal year or the calendar year, they'd be blips on the news media radar for a little bit.

01:49:01.940 But the fact that we're kind of squished into a month here, everybody's freaking out.

01:49:07.420 I get it.

01:49:07.920 But as you know, intuitively, driving to or from the airport is the most, you know, dangerous part of this exercise.

01:49:15.840 I'd have no problem getting on an RJ.

01:49:18.580 But trust me, Megan, I peek in the cockpit when I get on every once in a while.

01:49:22.340 Just, I don't know why I do.

01:49:23.940 I wish you could fly all the flights I'm on.

01:49:26.060 I want you behind that wheel.

01:49:28.440 So I, I don't, I don't, I'm a little worried here, Greg, because I got to be honest.

01:49:33.960 I always thought that most, almost like 99% of what happens when we're on board the flight is done by autopilot, which I liked.

01:49:40.640 You know, like it's almost impossible to crash these planes because the autopilots got it.

01:49:45.460 The one where the helicopter bumped into the plane was a freak accident.

01:49:49.100 But this does appear, from what you're saying, to look like pilot error.

01:49:55.040 How much is the autopilot involved on takeoff and landing?

01:49:59.800 Well, we got to unpack a lot of that, Megan.

01:50:03.080 One, as Wiz was talking about, quote, experience.

01:50:06.280 Let me just tell you that in aviation, we don't mark years as our years of experience or the base of experience.

01:50:13.900 We, we judge that, or at least use hours of flight time as the marker for experience.

01:50:20.800 That'll be one aspect of this particular investigation that the NTSB, in assisting the TSB up in Canada, will try to determine.

01:50:30.060 What was the crew's experience?

01:50:31.920 How often were they trained?

01:50:33.660 How much, what was their background and things like that?

01:50:36.960 Now, as far as the autopilot is used, yes, the autopilot flies the airplane, especially in the larger aircraft, basically 90% of the time.

01:50:48.100 It is encouraged by the airlines for pilots to hand fly so that they don't lose those tactile flying skills.

01:50:55.340 You don't want automation flying all the time.

01:50:57.920 But typically, in this type of airplane, takeoffs and landings are done by one of the two pilots manually.

01:51:04.560 You're not using an autopilot.

01:51:06.100 You'll use some navigation guidance on some of the airplanes, but typically, unless it's almost zero-zero, which airplanes can land in zero-zero conditions, there are some airplanes that are certified to do that.

01:51:19.940 You'll typically have one of the pilots landing the airplane manually.

01:51:24.140 And there's nothing wrong with that, even under these conditions.

01:51:27.980 That's where the pilot earns his or her pay.

01:51:29.800 So, Wiz, why wasn't this a deadly crash?

01:51:34.060 The fire coming out from behind it, the aerial, you know, it flips.

01:51:37.680 We've seen planes, like, explode on landing.

01:51:41.020 Like, why, how is it that everybody lived?

01:51:44.220 Well, that's above my pay grade, Megan, and thank God that all these folks lived.

01:51:50.720 Look at this, these are people upside down because it landed on its, you know, with its belly up.

01:51:54.880 Correct. Yeah. Well, that, you know, that Mitsubishi, I think it is, the, you know, good on them for the manufacturer that these folks lived in the seats.

01:52:04.160 Thankfully, or I guess I can say thankfully, this mishap was on landing, so that aircraft wasn't packed full of fuel.

01:52:10.700 This could be a whole different story if this happened on takeoff or, you know, they were coming into land full of fuel for whatever reason.

01:52:18.120 The crash rescue folks, they are, they're literally sitting in different alert positions on these airfields.

01:52:23.960 They are waiting for something like this to happen.

01:52:26.360 It's sad to say, but as a crash rescue crewman, I don't ever want to be used, but I'm ready to be used.

01:52:31.720 They were on that, that crash almost immediately.

01:52:35.080 And they were foaming down the aircraft to, to protect against the fire.

01:52:39.180 Um, but this literally, it's got to come up to a higher power because as I saw, you know, this mishap occur, and then I saw the video, I'm like, I'm absolutely stunned that more people didn't get hurt.

01:52:49.980 And real quick to what great, and I have to, I have to admit something.

01:52:53.060 So in my aviation career, I'm going to age myself.

01:52:56.260 Whenever Greg is on TV, you know, the mishap is going to be figured out.

01:53:00.560 This guy has got all the experience in the world.

01:53:02.320 I've, I'd see him in press conferences or, you know, air show or, uh, air crash type of documentaries.

01:53:08.340 And this guy's the 500 pound head, but his point in the mail, Matt, but his point, uh, Megan, uh, the more autopilot you use the, the less, you know, meat and potato flying skills that pilots have.

01:53:22.640 And if you are taking off and landing or Greg can probably speak to this better than I can, the majority of mishaps are going to happen in takeoff and landing.

01:53:30.180 So the, the dependence or the over-dependence on an autopilot is, is a little scary.

01:53:35.220 I mean, we have the capability for an F-18 Hornet to land aboard the boat by itself with me as a passenger.

01:53:41.340 But we used to joke like, Hey, if I'm going to be a flaming ball of wreckage going down the flight deck, I'm going to do it.

01:53:47.100 Not some nerd from Microsoft, right?

01:53:49.160 Some autopilot.

01:53:50.160 So there's got to be a happy balance between autopilot and losing stick and rudder skills, you know?

01:53:56.060 I see your point.

01:53:57.340 Well, so what do you make of it, Greg?

01:53:59.200 How, why didn't we have fatalities on this?

01:54:02.760 Well, the good thing is, is that, um, as we've said, when this aircraft came down, it hit flat.

01:54:08.320 If it had cartwheeled, and if you think about United 232 in Sioux City, Iowa, where the crew didn't really have controllability of the airplane, they did get the airplane, at least to a piece of pavement, the wingtip drug.

01:54:21.500 And of course that airplane cartwheeled broke the fuselage apart.

01:54:24.540 And that's where the fatalities and serious injuries came from.

01:54:27.680 In this particular instance, while that wing did catch and break, um, the fuselage stayed intact.

01:54:34.140 And that's what protected these passengers, not only from a lot of the impact forces and, of course, debris in sliding, but then the post-accident fire.

01:54:44.180 Um, the other thing is, these airplanes are now equipped with 16G seats.

01:54:48.300 So they are really energy absorbing seats.

01:54:51.640 They are meant to collapse when the, um, when the G forces are exceeded.

01:54:55.920 That absorbs a lot of that high energy force that the body can't absorb.

01:55:02.560 And, um, and then of course, wearing your seatbelt, not loose.

01:55:06.400 It has to be snug and it has to be across your lap.

01:55:09.600 We get a lot of abdominal injuries by people wearing a seatbelt up around their stomach or across their belly button.

01:55:16.120 The lap belt is meant to be on your lap.

01:55:18.940 That is across the top of your thighs.

01:55:20.860 That's cinched down.

01:55:22.360 That's what kept these people in the seat.

01:55:24.320 If they had come to come out, either submarine underneath it or over the top of it, we would have had not only serious injuries, but possibly fatalities.

01:55:32.920 So the structure, and we've learned this Megan from years of accident investigation and improvements in crash survivability and the way we design and build aircraft today.

01:55:44.440 So you're saying, I mean, when I do the seatbelt, I pull it across sort of, I have like my pelvic region, I would say, not, not, not on top of my thighs.

01:55:54.120 Am I doing it wrong?

01:55:55.600 No, you're the very top of your thigh across that pelvic area.

01:55:59.620 But some people will, some people slouch in their seat and they'll pull it across their belly button and things like that.

01:56:06.260 I guarantee.

01:56:06.920 That's too high.

01:56:07.880 Yeah.

01:56:08.300 Because when you move forward in that impact, you're going to, that belt will act as a knife.

01:56:14.320 And that's where you get a lot of internal injuries and things like that.

01:56:17.620 So you want to wear it low in that pelvic area because that's the most stout part of your body.

01:56:24.560 I mean, one other question on this, Greg, this, I would imagine will be an investigator's dream in a way, because you've got these videos, there are other videos, not just that one.

01:56:34.260 And you've got all the passengers and the pilots, not to mention the black box, but they're going to know everything there is to know about this one.

01:56:41.840 Yes.

01:56:44.180 Assuming, Megan, that the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder were operational because we have had maintenance issues in the past where we've lost data.

01:56:54.120 But if all things being equal, everything was working, then yes, we have all of the electronic data.

01:57:01.020 The FDR is going to tell investigators what was happening with that aircraft at any point, time and space.

01:57:07.320 And then, of course, the CVR will be used to corroborate anything that the flight crew had talked about and what they present to investigators.

01:57:16.100 I have found discrepancies in the past where the cockpit voice recorder recorded a conversation.

01:57:22.220 When we asked the flight crew about it, they, one or both, did not remember having that conversation.

01:57:28.820 So it really is a gap filler, and it helps put a complete story together with all of this information.

01:57:36.000 Wow.

01:57:37.000 On my knees thanking the Lord if I'd been on board that plane after it was over.

01:57:40.700 Just thank God.

01:57:41.440 That looked like divine intervention for some reason.

01:57:43.900 Go ahead, Wiz.

01:57:44.300 I'll give you the last word.

01:57:44.980 No, I was just going to say, we also have a saying in aviation.

01:57:48.980 If there's any doubt, there's no doubt.

01:57:50.740 So the pilot not flying in this case, if they saw this massive rate of descent coming, like, man, we're going to slam.

01:57:57.300 When in doubt, go around, right?

01:57:59.060 When in doubt, there's no doubt.

01:58:00.120 Go back up.

01:58:00.500 They could have easily, go try it again.

01:58:02.620 You have enough gas to go try three, four, five other landings.

01:58:05.920 And if it's too windy, go to a divert field.

01:58:07.780 So when in doubt, do not try and salvage a bad approach because bad things can happen.

01:58:12.860 Wait, so you're saying, are you saying, Wiz, that, like, when you're almost down, you can realize this isn't, we're coming down too fast.

01:58:19.840 This isn't going to end well.

01:58:20.660 And at that moment, you could still nose up.

01:58:22.640 Megan, you can be on the runway and decide something's not too good.

01:58:27.060 And as long as you have enough flying speed to get airborne again.

01:58:29.760 So absolutely.

01:58:30.580 Even if you're, this would have been the most appropriate time.

01:58:34.480 One of the most appropriate times I've seen in my career when the plane's coming down and you're almost like, you know, I know we're going to hit hard.

01:58:41.080 Don't hit hard, full power and get airborne again, man.

01:58:45.160 If anything, if they had selected go around or max power at that point, they would have at least cushioned that landing.

01:58:51.040 Yeah. But to Greg's point, all the black boxes and the ones and zeros that are talking to each other, they're going to dig, guys like Greg are going to dig into.

01:58:58.240 And this, we will know sooner rather than later.

01:59:00.720 This won't be a six month, two year investigation.

01:59:03.520 This one's pretty tight.

01:59:05.260 Wow. That's whenever I have to say flying in and out of Logan in Boston, that's happened to me many times.

01:59:12.060 There must be something about the runways in Boston, but like where you're going down, you're like, OK, we're landing.

01:59:16.320 Boom, we're back up. And like, you know, the the the glasses start falling out.

01:59:20.580 It's very alarming as a passenger, just like something's gone very wrong.

01:59:26.640 It's a choreographed dance, Megan.

01:59:28.860 And again, it's dependent on the guy in front of you or the gal in front of you landing that airplane when you're on approach.

01:59:35.120 They don't clear the runway. You can't occupy the same space.

01:59:38.740 So a lot of times that happens. It's nothing dangerous.

01:59:42.420 And in fact, as Wiz will tell you, I mean, that's it's a trained occurrence, if you will.

01:59:47.880 Go around and missed approaches are trained.

01:59:50.640 So my friend, Yael, when she gets on the airplanes, she gives the pilots like chocolates.

01:59:56.200 She gives them. I'm like, Yael, that's nice.

01:59:58.540 But that's not like how is that going to save our lives?

02:00:01.360 We like what? We should be giving you like gift certificates to more training or something.

02:00:05.480 I'm not sure. It all depends on what's in them up is going to work.

02:00:09.700 It all depends on what's in that chocolate.

02:00:13.000 Good point, Greg.

02:00:14.400 So, Megan, I saw a I saw a meme today.

02:00:17.580 It's now appropriate to start clapping when an airliner lands nowadays.

02:00:20.940 We used to frown upon that, but now we can go back to clapping when we successfully land.

02:00:26.620 I always clap inside my heart, but now I may do it openly like like the Chinese and the Europeans.

02:00:32.680 Guys, thank you both so much.

02:00:34.940 Thanks, Megan.

02:00:35.580 Thank you very much.

02:00:36.120 Thanks, Greg. Good seeing you.

02:00:37.380 Good to see you.

02:00:38.600 Let's hope we won't have to talk again soon.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 18, 2025

CBS vs. Free Speech, Elon Baby Drama, and Shocking Plane Crash, with Michael Knowles, Matt Taibbi, and Walter Kirn ｜ Ep. 1009

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