The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk ＂Curse,＂ ABC Affiliates vs. Kimmel, and Kamala's Disastrous Book Tour Begins, with Mark Halperin ｜ Ep. 1155

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.500 There is big news breaking right now around the Jimmy Kimmel saga.

00:00:20.140 We've had both Sinclair and Nexstar, who own one-third of the affiliates, TV affiliates in this country, airing ABC.

00:00:30.000 Have both now said, we don't really care that Disney wants to put him back on the air.

00:00:35.060 We're in charge of our affiliate programming, and we're not airing him.

00:00:38.960 So it's just gotten very interesting, and that is where we're going to kick it off in about, well, just a few minutes with Mark Halpern, who's standing by.

00:00:47.540 But first I have a sort of out-of-left-field story to bring to you, and then I want to start with it.

00:00:55.120 But I've been wrestling with whether to bring you this story for a few days now.

00:01:00.020 I've been wrestling because I find it so vile and off and odd, I wasn't even sure where to go with it.

00:01:07.620 But I decided that I had to do it because the groups who did this deserve public censure.

00:01:13.480 I learned when I was out in Arizona last week that two weeks before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the far-left website Jezebel declared that it had a mission to cast bad luck or a curse on Charlie.

00:01:32.300 They wanted to hurt him in some way.

00:01:35.720 They declared, quote, if the far-right misogynist with a bad haircut wants to villainize independent women, Jezebel is more than happy to be the hag of his nightmares. 1.00

00:01:45.800 And they went on to the website Etsy, yes, Etsy, to, quote, cast a curse on him.

00:01:51.700 Yes, this is actually a thing.

00:01:53.500 Etsy, the website known for making arts and crafts on demand, will happily cast a hex through its witches, who you can hire,

00:02:02.300 on someone, if you ask them to.

00:02:05.800 The Jezebel crew was delighted to discover, quote, it's not uncommon for the so-called witches on Etsy to channel their energy toward thwarting Republicans.

00:02:15.300 There's even a subreddit devoted to casting nightly hexes on Trump.

00:02:20.520 Jezebel decided Charlie Kirk, who they repeatedly described as far-right, the founder of the right-wing conspiracy theory factory, Turning Point USA, is, quote,

00:02:31.660 quote, more irritating than most, and asked its audience if they were, quote, interested in punishing Kirk for years of regressive rhetoric with a curse, with a hex on him.

00:02:44.440 After all, they told readers he's basically a fake news vending machine.

00:02:47.900 The article notably does not list the name of any particular author, but simply uses its company name as the byline.

00:02:56.820 So we don't know exactly which writer or staffer at Jezebel, which has long been a disgusting publication, came up with the idea.

00:03:06.000 Yeah, but since they're attributing it to all of them, so will we, in terms of our blame.

00:03:13.060 It was, in fact, the brainchild of one writer, however, because it is written in the first person, a female.

00:03:19.220 The writer explains now.

00:03:21.520 Is it ethical to curse a man I've never met?

00:03:23.920 Probably not.

00:03:25.020 But is it unethical to let him keep talking?

00:03:28.420 Yes.

00:03:28.860 Now comes the obligatory ass-covering paragraph in the piece, just to stave off any negative publicity for Jezebel.

00:03:36.620 Quote,

00:03:36.820 I want to make it clear I'm not calling on dark forces to cause him harm.

00:03:41.020 I just want him to wake up every morning with an inexplicable zit.

00:03:45.380 I want his podcast microphone to malfunction every time he hits record.

00:03:49.660 I want his blue blazers to suddenly all be one size too small.

00:03:53.100 I want one of his socks to always be sliding down his foot.

00:03:55.500 I want his thumb to grow too big to tweet.

00:03:58.320 To ruin his day with the collective feminist power of the Etsy coven would be my life's greatest joy. 0.99

00:04:03.840 So even in her ass-covering, she was asking for Charlie to be rendered less attractive,

00:04:09.220 to not be able to use his microphone and silence his voice,

00:04:12.120 to have discomfort foisted upon him,

00:04:14.460 to stop his ability to tweet or spread his message,

00:04:17.160 and to, quote, ruin his day.

00:04:18.660 Got it?

00:04:19.120 That's the nice part of the Jezebel article.

00:04:22.660 She tells the reader she placed her first spell on Etsy.

00:04:26.740 And it was, quote, in all caps,

00:04:28.760 make everyone hate him.

00:04:30.560 And she wondered aloud, how long would it take to kick in?

00:04:35.540 The witch, servicing Jezebel on Etsy,

00:04:40.020 contacted the writer and asked if she would like to, quote,

00:04:42.720 amplify the energetic support of the spell for an extra 50 bucks.

00:04:47.800 She did it.

00:04:49.100 She goes on, for the powerful hex spell,

00:04:52.740 I had to provide Kirk's date of birth for accuracy.

00:04:55.340 The witch informed her that she, the witch, had performed the hex,

00:05:00.960 and that it was successful.

00:05:03.180 Jezebel wanted to know when they were getting results on their curse.

00:05:07.200 And while their article about all of this hit,

00:05:09.460 it was published on Monday, September 8th,

00:05:12.220 it makes clear that the writer contracted for the curse in late August.

00:05:17.560 She says she wanted it to line up with the new moon in Virgo,

00:05:20.660 which this year meant August 23rd.

00:05:22.940 That tracks because she points out in the piece

00:05:25.080 that by August 24th, she was waiting impatiently for results.

00:05:30.660 The witch, they reveal, promised on August 23rd that, quote,

00:05:35.040 you will see the first results within two to three weeks.

00:05:39.560 This was 18 days before Charlie was killed.

00:05:43.240 Not satisfied with this curse, the amped up one, alone,

00:05:47.840 Jezebel reached out to a, quote, third witch, Priestess Lillian.

00:05:51.640 Jezebel opined, if enough people cursed a single person,

00:05:55.640 would the results be stronger?

00:05:58.180 Quote, when I asked her if she'd noticed more political figures

00:06:01.040 being targeted these days, she said yes.

00:06:03.700 The next day, Lillian sent the Jezebel writer

00:06:06.720 proof of the hex she had cast, quote,

00:06:10.360 a photograph in flames, the edges slowly curling inward,

00:06:14.840 engulfing Charlie's ridiculous, scrunched-up little face.

00:06:18.280 She whispered, I imagine, writes the Jezebel reporter,

00:06:24.300 trust the unseen, chills, writes Jezebel.

00:06:30.140 Sunday, August 24th, passed, writes the author, and nothing.

00:06:35.120 Monday, August 25th, still nothing.

00:06:37.920 Tuesday, August 26th, nothing.

00:06:40.860 But then she writes, she reminded herself,

00:06:42.860 this is witchcraft, not Amazon. 0.91

00:06:45.640 The forces operate on their own schedule.

00:06:48.580 The Jezebel writer ends the piece as follows.

00:06:51.000 So, did my Etsy curses work?

00:06:54.020 Time will tell.

00:06:55.660 The forces move in mysterious ways.

00:06:58.300 And as the Priestess Lillian reminded me,

00:07:00.760 spell work is a collaboration between the caster,

00:07:03.940 the client, and the universe itself.

00:07:06.840 For now, we can only trust in the timing of the great unknown.

00:07:10.620 To you, Mr. Kirk, may the rash come swiftly.

00:07:16.440 Two and a half weeks after those curses were requested and cast,

00:07:20.600 two days after Jezebel published that article,

00:07:23.820 Charlie was killed by an assassin's bullet.

00:07:27.120 I know what you're thinking.

00:07:28.520 This is a bullshit Etsy curse.

00:07:30.220 Why are we spending time on this?

00:07:31.600 I'm going to get to that in a minute.

00:07:32.760 Stay with me for now.

00:07:34.700 After the shooting, Jezebel took down the article,

00:07:38.260 quote, on the recommendation of our lawyers.

00:07:40.620 They underscored that the piece was meant to be humorous,

00:07:44.160 intended as satire,

00:07:45.800 and that they made clear they wished Charlie, quote,

00:07:47.940 no physical harm, which is not the full story now, is it?

00:07:51.860 At the same time, they said of the article, quote,

00:07:53.980 we stand by every word,

00:07:56.140 which means they did want him cursed.

00:07:57.900 They wanted everyone to hate him.

00:07:59.980 They wanted it to be powerful.

00:08:01.360 And they wanted Charlie, quote,

00:08:02.960 punished for years of regressive rhetoric.

00:08:06.620 They also made clear that taking down the article was, quote,

00:08:09.840 driven by an abundance of caution for our staff.

00:08:14.180 In other words,

00:08:14.720 they were worried about violence against them by Charlie Kirk supporters.

00:08:20.960 They also, they wrote,

00:08:23.240 wished, quote,

00:08:23.960 to avoid the piece being misused in a tense and volatile environment.

00:08:29.040 There was not,

00:08:30.800 they made clear,

00:08:31.660 any change in their editorial judgment.

00:08:34.400 In fact,

00:08:34.940 they emphasized, quote,

00:08:36.040 we may republish at a later date.

00:08:38.840 They then rambled on about the country's gun problem

00:08:41.580 and the heated political divide in the country

00:08:43.960 and free speech,

00:08:44.820 noting they do not actually condone political violence.

00:08:48.640 Now, again,

00:08:49.380 you may be saying to yourself,

00:08:50.560 why are we talking about Etsy curses?

00:08:52.540 None of this is real.

00:08:53.440 Well,

00:08:54.180 two things.

00:08:55.760 First of all,

00:08:57.440 Christians are opposed to casting spells 1.00

00:08:59.520 or trying to contact the spirit world.

00:09:02.340 Not only because they believe there's only one God,

00:09:05.020 but because they acknowledge the existence of the devil

00:09:07.300 and evil spirits.

00:09:09.500 Here is Father Mike Schmidt.

00:09:11.620 He was on the day Charlie died,

00:09:13.420 helping us through that as well.

00:09:15.380 But he came on our show first time a couple of years ago,

00:09:18.800 and here he is discussing this very subject.

00:09:21.780 The motivation behind the Ouija board

00:09:25.200 is actually something where

00:09:26.780 I'm trying to contact spirits.

00:09:30.640 And someone could say,

00:09:32.160 well, I'm trying to contact nice spirits or good spirits.

00:09:34.440 And the unfortunate thing we know about is that,

00:09:37.260 yes, when God created angels,

00:09:38.740 he created angels.

00:09:39.520 They're good.

00:09:39.940 They're beautiful.

00:09:40.500 They're in harmony with him.

00:09:42.080 But also we know that

00:09:43.100 a number of those said no to God.

00:09:46.520 A person who's reasonable would say,

00:09:48.360 but I'm just playing.

00:09:49.360 And I would say, I completely understand that.

00:09:53.380 And then I would say, at the same time,

00:09:55.760 at the same time.

00:09:57.060 You remember the movie, The Exorcist?

00:09:58.960 Of course.

00:10:00.320 Yeah.

00:10:00.700 How can you forget it?

00:10:02.260 So that story is based off of two true stories.

00:10:06.120 And one of the true stories is,

00:10:08.460 I believe about, if I can get the details right,

00:10:10.800 is about a young man who was at,

00:10:12.660 you know, kind of like a birthday party,

00:10:13.800 some kind of celebration of some sort with kids.

00:10:15.480 And they just busted out the Ouija board

00:10:17.400 and just played for fun.

00:10:18.940 But that was an entry point

00:10:21.060 for what ultimately became a possession.

00:10:26.380 In other words, you're playing with fire,

00:10:29.700 messing with this stuff.

00:10:31.660 There actually are demons in this world.

00:10:34.500 Calling up the spirit world,

00:10:35.820 in particular the devil's spirit world,

00:10:38.120 can actually have real world consequences.

00:10:40.980 It's not something to mess with.

00:10:42.840 Many Christians believe this.

00:10:44.780 This is dangerous.

00:10:46.600 It's not a game.

00:10:47.760 It's literally evil.

00:10:50.380 Second, this is what I really want you all

00:10:54.180 and the people at Jezebel and Etsy to know.

00:10:59.900 Erica and Charlie Kirk heard about these curses.

00:11:05.440 And that news genuinely rattled Erica in particular.

00:11:11.260 She knew Christian teaching on the subject.

00:11:13.420 She loved Charlie, absolutely.

00:11:16.640 And she was scared.

00:11:18.560 When she heard of the curses,

00:11:20.120 Jezebel had called up.

00:11:22.740 So much so that she and Charlie contacted a friend,

00:11:26.600 who I believe she said was a Catholic priest,

00:11:28.880 but definitely a friend,

00:11:30.200 and asked him to come over and pray with them

00:11:33.320 over Charlie the night before he was murdered.

00:11:37.260 She eventually worked it through.

00:11:41.640 And so did Charlie.

00:11:43.240 That, as she later told me,

00:11:45.340 weapons will form but not prosper.

00:11:47.940 That Satan and those witches have no power.

00:11:51.720 Of course, God's will is the one that matters,

00:11:54.320 and his blessing over Charlie was real and palpable.

00:11:57.460 All you had to do was spend time with Charlie to know that.

00:11:59.640 But why torture a family like this?

00:12:02.600 A Christian, believing family.

00:12:05.860 Why do this vile thing to a young couple? 1.00

00:12:09.740 Parents to two babies,

00:12:12.500 living in accordance with the gospel,

00:12:14.460 deeply in love.

00:12:15.800 Yes, political,

00:12:16.840 but doing nothing other than speaking publicly

00:12:18.600 about their views

00:12:20.380 and their desires

00:12:21.980 to make other people's lives better.

00:12:24.320 Who would do such a vile thing?

00:12:26.900 Jezebel, that's who.

00:12:30.800 And unbelievably, Etsy.

00:12:33.200 And the people behind this evil,

00:12:35.780 they should be called out.

00:12:36.820 That's why I'm talking about it as our lead.

00:12:40.260 They should be called out.

00:12:42.020 Jezebel should be forced to identify 1.00

00:12:44.520 the woman who wrote this and did this.

00:12:48.520 Jezebel should close, frankly.

00:12:50.080 It has zero redeeming virtues or value.

00:12:54.520 Etsy should stop this practice

00:12:56.820 immediately

00:12:57.720 and get back to arts

00:12:59.980 and crafts

00:13:00.840 and jewelry.

00:13:02.800 And both entities

00:13:03.800 should issue an immediate

00:13:05.420 full-throated apology

00:13:07.440 to Erica Kirk

00:13:08.340 for introducing

00:13:09.160 this awfulness

00:13:10.940 into her beautiful family

00:13:12.580 and causing her 0.52

00:13:14.340 or Charlie

00:13:15.280 any distress whatsoever

00:13:17.200 in what would be

00:13:18.760 the waning hours

00:13:19.780 of his life.

00:13:22.760 It's not easy to contact them.

00:13:25.460 Etsy's easier than Jezebel. 0.85

00:13:27.360 Etsy, you can email them.

00:13:29.240 Press

00:13:29.680 at

00:13:30.500 E-T-S-Y dot com. 0.99

00:13:33.160 Press

00:13:33.480 at E-T-S-Y dot com.

00:13:36.160 Jezebel intentionally

00:13:37.040 makes it difficult

00:13:37.740 for you to reach out to them,

00:13:38.780 though we did,

00:13:39.320 for comment on this piece

00:13:40.480 and ask them

00:13:41.720 whether they will

00:13:42.540 indeed

00:13:43.040 republish this article

00:13:44.780 and other questions

00:13:47.460 as well.

00:13:48.160 They didn't get back to us,

00:13:49.280 but here's how you do it

00:13:50.320 if you are so inclined.

00:13:51.300 You go to their website,

00:13:53.240 you click on contact,

00:13:55.380 and then you submit

00:13:56.200 your comment.

00:13:58.500 Joining me now

00:13:59.260 is Mark Halperin.

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00:14:11.480 memorial service

00:14:12.180 on Sunday.

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00:15:01.260 I'm just,

00:15:02.060 I'm upset by it, Mark.

00:15:03.380 I'm upset by it.

00:15:04.160 I realize I can easily

00:15:05.180 dismiss this as like,

00:15:06.240 what?

00:15:07.320 But

00:15:07.600 I saw Erica Kirk

00:15:10.180 and when I talked

00:15:11.740 to Erica last week

00:15:12.660 she was so strong,

00:15:14.180 she was so composed

00:15:15.060 but in 30 minutes together,

00:15:17.400 20 minutes together,

00:15:18.120 she literally never

00:15:19.600 stopped having tears

00:15:21.020 come out of her eyes.

00:15:22.200 Like at no point

00:15:23.020 did the tears

00:15:23.560 stop flowing.

00:15:24.340 She was able to talk

00:15:25.340 and express herself

00:15:26.460 beautifully

00:15:26.860 but she is literally 0.99

00:15:28.480 in constant pain

00:15:29.380 and I have her permission

00:15:31.520 to share that this is

00:15:32.340 one of the things

00:15:32.920 we talked about.

00:15:33.600 She did not ask me

00:15:34.280 to come and publish it.

00:15:35.340 I've been thinking

00:15:36.100 about it ever since

00:15:36.820 and I asked her

00:15:37.480 for permission

00:15:38.220 and I received it

00:15:39.320 and she also wanted me

00:15:40.880 to emphasize the second part

00:15:41.940 of what I said

00:15:42.520 which is that they had

00:15:43.340 gotten to the point

00:15:44.040 of realizing

00:15:44.560 that the devil

00:15:46.220 had no power over Charlie,

00:15:47.820 that these witches

00:15:49.040 had no power over Charlie

00:15:50.360 but

00:15:51.840 obviously for Christians,

00:15:54.200 for deep believing Christians,

00:15:55.600 this kind of thing

00:15:56.160 actually really can

00:15:57.060 rattle your cage

00:15:57.840 and

00:15:58.760 it to me

00:15:59.900 it stood out

00:16:00.460 that it was one of the things

00:16:01.420 still on her mind

00:16:02.600 you know

00:16:03.620 in the days

00:16:04.840 after Charlie had died

00:16:06.100 it's fucking vile.

00:16:07.760 It's just

00:16:08.180 we've crossed

00:16:09.660 some

00:16:10.360 decency bridge

00:16:12.360 that

00:16:13.300 we didn't

00:16:14.400 used to cross

00:16:15.240 and even now

00:16:16.380 hearing this

00:16:17.040 I have

00:16:17.580 zero hope

00:16:19.120 that Jezebel

00:16:20.280 or Etsy

00:16:21.100 actually will apologize

00:16:22.300 to Erica Kirk

00:16:23.200 because they really

00:16:24.520 are missing

00:16:25.040 that fundamental

00:16:25.700 human decency.

00:16:26.680 Your thoughts on it?

00:16:28.360 Well,

00:16:29.160 since Jezebel

00:16:29.940 has been around

00:16:30.640 they've made their living

00:16:31.760 off of a lack

00:16:32.900 of fundamental

00:16:33.300 human decency

00:16:34.160 and

00:16:35.320 you and I

00:16:36.540 throughout our careers

00:16:37.480 have railed

00:16:38.040 against such things

00:16:39.060 but this

00:16:40.980 this is different

00:16:42.080 right?

00:16:42.540 This is different

00:16:43.200 this is the real world

00:16:44.240 and I think

00:16:45.220 it's of a piece

00:16:46.040 with what you hear

00:16:47.340 from some

00:16:48.000 in even the

00:16:48.820 quote unquote

00:16:49.300 respectable media

00:16:50.280 and from some Democrats

00:16:51.380 who treat this

00:16:52.960 like the assassination

00:16:54.220 of such a beautiful man

00:16:55.980 as just another thing

00:16:57.900 to write about

00:16:59.040 and make fun of

00:17:00.020 and

00:17:01.160 these people

00:17:03.760 who make their lives

00:17:04.600 writing

00:17:05.140 and I'd say

00:17:06.200 the same thing

00:17:06.640 about some

00:17:07.000 of the media writers

00:17:07.860 who are so irresponsible

00:17:09.160 with a coarseness

00:17:11.140 and a lack

00:17:11.880 of appreciation

00:17:12.520 for the real lives

00:17:13.420 of real people

00:17:14.120 who participate

00:17:15.340 on the National Town Square

00:17:16.540 and for that

00:17:17.620 get condemned

00:17:18.280 to mockery

00:17:19.700 cancellation

00:17:20.500 threats

00:17:21.600 it's

00:17:22.740 it's

00:17:23.360 if anything

00:17:24.380 comes out of this

00:17:25.280 it's good

00:17:25.640 this would be a good one

00:17:26.620 for these places

00:17:27.720 to be shut down

00:17:28.900 not through boycott

00:17:30.180 not through government censorship

00:17:32.020 but through the market speaking

00:17:34.040 that in the United States of America

00:17:35.360 we just don't want

00:17:36.480 this level of coarseness

00:17:37.920 about such a tragedy

00:17:39.660 and

00:17:40.220 and

00:17:40.620 and in

00:17:41.500 everyday life

00:17:42.600 people shouldn't be subjected

00:17:43.820 to this

00:17:44.360 regardless of whether

00:17:45.780 they're assassinated

00:17:46.720 or not

00:17:47.280 the nerve

00:17:49.140 of them

00:17:50.260 saying

00:17:51.420 they took down

00:17:52.420 this piece

00:17:53.600 about their

00:17:55.160 casting spells

00:17:56.380 on Charlie

00:17:56.980 to protect their writers

00:17:58.720 because they

00:17:59.680 they were worried

00:18:00.340 about violence

00:18:01.140 from Charlie's

00:18:02.400 supporter

00:18:02.780 supporters against them

00:18:04.260 we've seen this

00:18:05.260 repeatedly

00:18:05.740 you know

00:18:06.320 that

00:18:06.620 the left now

00:18:07.800 of course

00:18:08.200 refusing to acknowledge

00:18:09.340 the political leanings

00:18:10.620 of the actual shooter

00:18:11.560 of trying to both sides it

00:18:13.720 like

00:18:14.880 of trying to pretend

00:18:15.780 that the MAGA wing

00:18:17.300 is violent

00:18:18.040 when here we are

00:18:19.000 you know

00:18:20.020 12 days after

00:18:21.100 13 days after

00:18:22.020 Charlie was killed

00:18:22.820 and there's been no

00:18:24.140 right wing violence

00:18:25.580 in response to an assassination

00:18:27.300 of

00:18:28.520 one of their

00:18:29.460 most important figures

00:18:31.000 nothing

00:18:31.400 it's a narrative

00:18:32.900 that gets pushed

00:18:34.180 by the left

00:18:35.240 about

00:18:35.880 MAGA in particular

00:18:37.280 it's

00:18:38.320 and it too is vile

00:18:39.500 I wish everybody

00:18:43.460 in the country

00:18:44.040 could have been

00:18:44.560 in Arizona

00:18:45.280 to experience

00:18:46.400 the level

00:18:46.900 of love

00:18:47.420 and warmth

00:18:48.060 and

00:18:48.720 tolerance

00:18:50.640 that existed

00:18:51.800 throughout that

00:18:52.600 most specifically

00:18:54.060 and

00:18:54.640 and

00:18:55.040 and

00:18:55.120 sharpest relief

00:18:56.120 embodied by

00:18:56.900 Erica Kirk

00:18:57.740 but

00:18:58.640 to

00:19:00.120 to take

00:19:00.880 assassination

00:19:02.740 and for her

00:19:03.480 to forgive

00:19:04.160 the alleged killer

00:19:05.160 and for people

00:19:06.500 to meet

00:19:07.600 hate with love

00:19:08.600 sets a great example

00:19:10.440 and

00:19:10.860 and these places

00:19:11.840 on the internet

00:19:12.760 on social media

00:19:13.760 that make

00:19:14.760 their living

00:19:15.260 from hate

00:19:16.280 they just

00:19:17.800 they have to

00:19:18.580 they'll have to just

00:19:19.320 use this opportunity

00:19:20.200 I hope in this case

00:19:21.260 and in general

00:19:21.880 to recognize

00:19:23.340 that

00:19:23.820 this isn't

00:19:24.940 this isn't the way

00:19:25.640 to make a living

00:19:26.280 there's just

00:19:26.960 there's just no

00:19:28.020 sense in making

00:19:29.640 a living this way

00:19:30.360 it's not good

00:19:30.760 for your soul

00:19:31.420 and I hope it's not good

00:19:32.700 for your business

00:19:33.300 long term

00:19:33.920 of people who make

00:19:34.800 their living like this

00:19:35.760 what did you make

00:19:36.860 of the memorial bar

00:19:38.040 because you

00:19:38.360 all day

00:19:39.320 in the lead up

00:19:40.440 to the actual

00:19:41.080 beginning of the ceremony

00:19:41.880 and then once

00:19:42.480 the ceremony began

00:19:43.360 we were listening

00:19:44.620 to Christian music

00:19:46.780 you had people

00:19:48.180 with their arms up

00:19:49.740 you know

00:19:50.340 as Christians

00:19:51.440 will do

00:19:52.020 in a revival

00:19:53.540 a sense

00:19:54.140 to the music

00:19:55.160 already that's being

00:19:56.240 spun as Nazi salutes

00:19:57.580 already

00:19:58.280 on X

00:19:59.080 it's so predictable

00:20:00.380 Christians

00:20:01.380 when they hear

00:20:02.400 music

00:20:03.880 preaching the gospel

00:20:04.880 or you know

00:20:05.700 with Christ's word

00:20:06.620 will often put

00:20:07.940 one or both hands up

00:20:09.540 like that

00:20:10.320 like a

00:20:10.980 you're touching God

00:20:12.220 you're you're sending

00:20:13.460 your positive

00:20:14.460 feelings

00:20:15.900 and reactions

00:20:16.900 to what you're hearing

00:20:17.760 up to those singing

00:20:18.580 the words on stage

00:20:19.480 this is

00:20:20.240 this has been going on

00:20:22.020 since I was a child

00:20:23.000 I don't remember a time

00:20:24.040 when we weren't doing this

00:20:25.020 and already we have

00:20:26.320 people on X

00:20:27.080 it's

00:20:28.160 the Nazi salute 0.77

00:20:29.360 was at Charlie Kirk's

00:20:31.100 memorial

00:20:32.380 and just ignoring

00:20:34.040 what is happening

00:20:34.920 in the moment

00:20:35.520 like the beauty

00:20:36.720 that was in that arena

00:20:37.940 it was beautiful

00:20:41.080 and uplifting

00:20:41.800 and consistent

00:20:42.900 and although

00:20:43.940 there were some

00:20:44.620 remarks that were

00:20:45.380 a little bit political

00:20:46.300 I've watched closely

00:20:48.660 and this is how

00:20:49.380 I've made my living

00:20:50.240 in my life

00:20:51.560 is being able

00:20:52.400 to read a crowd

00:20:53.300 being able to

00:20:54.280 get a sense

00:20:54.900 of the mood

00:20:55.220 of the crowd

00:20:55.740 and the most

00:20:57.060 enthusiastic

00:20:58.600 intense

00:20:59.580 and

00:21:00.540 loud

00:21:01.780 moments

00:21:02.540 were when people

00:21:03.700 talked about

00:21:04.500 Charlie's relationship

00:21:06.100 with Jesus

00:21:07.220 and the importance

00:21:08.780 of faith

00:21:09.420 and understanding

00:21:10.160 this was

00:21:11.220 an event

00:21:13.060 unlike anything

00:21:13.820 else I've ever

00:21:14.400 covered

00:21:14.760 and

00:21:16.100 in its scale

00:21:17.240 and its spirit

00:21:18.260 and

00:21:19.260 that is both

00:21:20.480 not a coincidence

00:21:21.240 and it's something

00:21:22.760 that the people

00:21:23.420 who are still

00:21:24.520 eager to express

00:21:26.040 public hostility

00:21:26.860 to Charlie Kirk

00:21:27.640 they should try

00:21:28.680 to read into

00:21:29.260 they should try

00:21:29.760 to understand

00:21:30.260 and they should

00:21:30.600 try to respect

00:21:31.340 in particular

00:21:33.340 we heard Erica Kirk

00:21:34.440 trying to appeal

00:21:35.960 to the young men

00:21:37.200 of this country

00:21:38.120 same group

00:21:39.180 Charlie

00:21:39.660 tried to appeal to

00:21:41.220 and Charlie

00:21:41.680 you know

00:21:42.020 told me

00:21:42.340 more than once

00:21:43.060 that was his

00:21:44.340 base constituency

00:21:45.200 you know

00:21:45.820 that young men

00:21:47.600 in America

00:21:48.380 were the ones

00:21:49.040 liking the Charlie Kirk

00:21:50.480 videos

00:21:51.080 showing up

00:21:52.000 for the most part

00:21:52.580 at his

00:21:53.580 campus revivals

00:21:54.820 there were women too 1.00

00:21:55.760 but he understood

00:21:56.820 his core constituency

00:21:57.800 was young men

00:21:58.540 and he loved to get

00:22:00.200 he used to say

00:22:01.040 young women present

00:22:02.080 an opportunity

00:22:02.660 you know

00:22:03.180 as they say to you

00:22:03.800 now at your

00:22:04.220 children's parent

00:22:05.640 teacher meetings

00:22:06.640 there's never like

00:22:07.340 this is a problem

00:22:08.320 it's an opportunity

00:22:09.260 that we can work on

00:22:10.320 so he used to say

00:22:11.640 young women present

00:22:12.360 an opportunity

00:22:12.980 but Erica Kirk

00:22:14.000 doubled down on that

00:22:15.540 this is what she said

00:22:16.900 on Sunday

00:22:17.620 at his memorial

00:22:18.520 at Saw 3

00:22:19.660 to all the men

00:22:21.600 watching around

00:22:22.280 the world

00:22:22.820 accept Charlie's

00:22:25.860 challenge

00:22:26.540 and embrace

00:22:28.780 true manhood

00:22:29.820 be strong

00:22:33.820 and courageous

00:22:34.780 for your families

00:22:35.940 love your wives

00:22:41.140 and lead them

00:22:43.040 love your children

00:22:45.680 and protect them

00:22:47.200 be the spiritual

00:22:50.460 head

00:22:51.040 of your home

00:22:53.420 but please be a

00:22:56.860 leader worth

00:22:57.700 following

00:22:58.420 your wife

00:23:01.200 your wife is not 1.00

00:23:10.580 your servant

00:23:11.480 your wife

00:23:14.640 is not

00:23:15.220 your employee

00:23:16.020 your wife

00:23:18.960 is not

00:23:19.420 your slave

00:23:20.400 she is

00:23:22.540 your helper

00:23:23.140 you are

00:23:25.280 not rivals

00:23:26.120 you are

00:23:28.020 one flesh

00:23:28.860 working together

00:23:29.980 for the glory

00:23:30.820 of God

00:23:31.640 Mark

00:23:36.240 what did you

00:23:36.620 make of

00:23:37.400 the

00:23:38.200 her remarks 0.93

00:23:39.300 there

00:23:39.620 and in general

00:23:40.340 at the memorial

00:23:41.000 appealing to

00:23:42.080 young men

00:23:42.560 and also

00:23:43.620 to the reaction

00:23:45.080 we've seen

00:23:45.720 from young men

00:23:47.000 I mean

00:23:47.840 black

00:23:48.740 white

00:23:49.580 brown

00:23:50.340 across

00:23:51.520 X

00:23:52.420 in the past

00:23:53.840 two weeks

00:23:54.480 openly declaring

00:23:56.280 I am a conservative

00:23:57.100 I am a conservative

00:23:58.080 I never realized it

00:23:59.280 I've seen so many

00:24:00.020 young black men

00:24:00.680 post

00:24:00.920 I had no idea

00:24:01.820 I always thought

00:24:02.360 I always thought

00:24:02.780 I was a democrat

00:24:03.260 I was told you have

00:24:03.940 to vote democrat

00:24:04.620 you know

00:24:05.260 I'm black

00:24:05.820 we vote democrat

00:24:06.580 so that's what I did

00:24:07.300 and now listening

00:24:08.160 to these Charlie Kirk

00:24:08.960 videos

00:24:09.340 I realize

00:24:10.360 I'm not a democrat

00:24:11.600 I'm a republican

00:24:12.520 I'm a conservative

00:24:13.260 and I'm registering

00:24:14.700 accordingly

00:24:15.600 well first of all

00:24:17.980 what strength

00:24:18.500 and moral clarity

00:24:19.280 from her

00:24:19.920 just as I said

00:24:21.000 I've never seen

00:24:21.600 an event like that

00:24:22.360 I've never seen

00:24:22.820 a public presentation

00:24:23.600 like that

00:24:24.360 and that's not even

00:24:25.900 accounting for the

00:24:26.560 circumstances

00:24:27.180 we've all

00:24:28.300 have been struck

00:24:28.940 by the same notion

00:24:29.840 that how could she

00:24:30.580 possibly have done that

00:24:31.760 and part of it

00:24:32.800 was again

00:24:34.120 her strength

00:24:34.780 and in her strength

00:24:35.480 and her faith

00:24:35.920 but also

00:24:36.340 the partnership

00:24:37.200 she had with Charlie

00:24:38.160 and of course

00:24:39.920 the irony

00:24:40.400 of the fact

00:24:40.900 that he was

00:24:41.720 apparently killed

00:24:43.180 by a young man

00:24:44.680 of the very type

00:24:45.980 that he was so concerned

00:24:46.880 about

00:24:47.080 someone who

00:24:47.560 through social media

00:24:48.820 and messed up things

00:24:51.460 in our society

00:24:52.220 had moved to a place

00:24:54.080 that could allow him

00:24:54.720 to do something

00:24:55.300 so monstrous

00:24:56.100 I think that

00:24:57.300 I'm not sure

00:24:58.680 the impact

00:24:59.620 this will have

00:25:00.320 on the movement

00:25:01.540 the turning point movement

00:25:02.460 the MAGA movement

00:25:03.460 more broadly

00:25:04.220 and the efforts

00:25:05.300 to reach young men

00:25:06.200 but I think anyone

00:25:07.320 who rules out

00:25:08.100 that this is going

00:25:08.940 to be more than

00:25:09.960 a turning point

00:25:10.680 more than a

00:25:11.820 more than a

00:25:12.900 a watershed

00:25:13.700 this could be

00:25:14.900 something that

00:25:15.840 sweeps up

00:25:16.820 tens of millions

00:25:18.440 of people

00:25:18.920 in politics

00:25:19.640 in their real lives

00:25:20.800 in reclamation

00:25:22.160 of the broken system

00:25:24.160 that's left us

00:25:24.760 with so many young men

00:25:25.740 who don't live lives

00:25:27.740 the way life

00:25:28.360 should be lived

00:25:29.000 lack purpose

00:25:30.080 lack moral clarity

00:25:31.040 lack respect

00:25:32.020 for others

00:25:32.740 including and especially

00:25:33.620 women 1.00

00:25:34.020 I think it could

00:25:35.120 have that effect

00:25:35.920 it's going to require

00:25:36.840 more than's been

00:25:38.120 done so far

00:25:38.720 but her words

00:25:40.000 I think will ring

00:25:41.020 through history

00:25:41.660 because of their

00:25:42.600 clarity

00:25:43.120 their intellectual

00:25:44.280 clarity

00:25:44.680 and their moral

00:25:45.260 clarity

00:25:45.640 and because of

00:25:46.860 the circumstances

00:25:47.500 under which

00:25:48.040 they were delivered

00:25:48.740 yes

00:25:49.780 she's got the

00:25:50.700 thing Charlie

00:25:51.220 had

00:25:51.520 which is

00:25:52.180 she makes you

00:25:53.320 want to be

00:25:53.680 a better person

00:25:54.360 I mean

00:25:55.500 she makes you

00:25:56.920 want to be

00:25:57.500 a better person

00:25:58.160 she appears

00:25:58.900 appeals to your

00:25:59.880 better angels

00:26:00.860 and it's

00:26:01.980 very

00:26:03.000 attractive

00:26:04.120 it's like

00:26:04.860 it's a magnetic

00:26:05.860 force

00:26:06.460 that she has

00:26:07.580 so I think

00:26:08.080 notwithstanding

00:26:08.500 the fact that

00:26:08.860 Erica's a woman 0.96

00:26:09.600 Charlie was a man

00:26:10.880 she can lead 0.93

00:26:12.020 this organization

00:26:12.700 and appeal to

00:26:13.420 exactly the same

00:26:14.360 people

00:26:15.400 and then some

00:26:16.700 I mean

00:26:17.040 she's actually

00:26:17.600 an extra threat

00:26:18.400 because she really

00:26:19.720 will appeal

00:26:20.440 to young women

00:26:21.360 who haven't seen

00:26:22.840 that much of her

00:26:23.520 she was with Charlie

00:26:24.400 a lot on the

00:26:25.240 trail

00:26:25.680 I saw her myself

00:26:27.100 behind the scenes

00:26:28.360 at a turning point event

00:26:29.180 when we first met

00:26:30.500 but I mean

00:26:31.400 now she's front 0.99

00:26:31.920 and center

00:26:32.240 and she provides

00:26:33.020 a whole new

00:26:33.700 opportunity

00:26:34.520 truly

00:26:35.000 for those young

00:26:35.880 women 1.00

00:26:36.100 here is just

00:26:37.160 a little sampling

00:26:37.860 of what I've been

00:26:39.000 seeing all over

00:26:39.720 Axe Watch

00:26:40.280 Charlie Kirk

00:26:42.280 got shy

00:26:42.700 in the fucking 0.83

00:26:43.300 neck

00:26:43.700 that was the

00:26:44.560 last bastion

00:26:45.180 I can't be a

00:26:45.980 liberal no fucking

00:26:46.700 more

00:26:47.000 you see the

00:26:47.700 fucking comments

00:26:48.420 I hope the gun

00:26:49.320 is okay

00:26:49.840 the same fucking

00:26:51.020 people asking

00:26:51.680 for moral decency

00:26:52.720 I cannot in good

00:26:53.880 faith align myself

00:26:54.760 with you guys

00:26:55.300 anymore

00:26:55.660 my name is

00:26:56.300 John

00:26:56.560 I have

00:26:58.180 practically no

00:26:59.140 online presence

00:27:00.080 and the reason

00:27:02.220 for that

00:27:02.640 is because

00:27:03.680 I am

00:27:04.520 scared to post

00:27:05.580 things that I

00:27:06.540 believe

00:27:07.760 yesterday

00:27:08.460 a man died

00:27:10.060 presumably

00:27:11.860 because he

00:27:13.100 believed

00:27:13.620 the same things

00:27:14.480 that I believe

00:27:15.260 in

00:27:15.420 I am a

00:27:17.080 conservative

00:27:17.720 and more

00:27:19.640 importantly

00:27:20.120 I'm a Christian

00:27:20.900 I know that

00:27:21.940 in the grand scheme

00:27:22.560 of things

00:27:22.880 I don't really

00:27:23.520 matter

00:27:23.840 no one knows

00:27:25.100 or even cares

00:27:26.380 who I am

00:27:27.160 but

00:27:28.180 if there's

00:27:30.880 even

00:27:31.140 one person

00:27:32.220 who sees

00:27:33.280 this

00:27:33.620 and

00:27:34.060 gains

00:27:34.960 the courage

00:27:35.420 to speak

00:27:36.100 up themselves

00:27:36.780 that's why

00:27:38.640 I'm making

00:27:38.940 this

00:27:39.240 just so that

00:27:41.200 everybody knows

00:27:41.840 that

00:27:42.140 we're not

00:27:43.220 alone

00:27:43.500 I have

00:27:44.680 officially

00:27:45.240 left the

00:27:46.200 Democratic Party

00:27:47.160 a few days

00:27:47.820 ago

00:27:48.140 the reason

00:27:48.840 I did

00:27:49.180 it was

00:27:49.440 because

00:27:49.880 I cannot

00:27:51.060 be linked

00:27:51.900 and affiliated

00:27:53.720 with a party

00:27:55.100 that has

00:27:57.080 members in it

00:27:57.920 that would do

00:27:58.820 exactly what

00:27:59.960 happened

00:28:00.380 to Charlie

00:28:02.300 Kirk

00:28:02.520 I didn't know

00:28:03.660 Charlie Kirk

00:28:04.660 never met that

00:28:05.400 guy before

00:28:05.940 in my life

00:28:06.560 and

00:28:08.340 something else

00:28:09.660 that I've never

00:28:10.180 done before

00:28:10.880 in my life

00:28:11.380 is believing

00:28:11.960 God

00:28:12.500 it feels

00:28:15.220 to me

00:28:15.680 Mark

00:28:15.980 like there

00:28:16.340 is a sea

00:28:16.900 change

00:28:17.400 underfoot

00:28:18.640 that we

00:28:20.060 are not

00:28:20.880 going to

00:28:21.200 realize the

00:28:21.660 full extent

00:28:22.220 of perhaps

00:28:23.520 until the

00:28:24.320 midterms

00:28:24.880 I mean I

00:28:25.680 just can't

00:28:26.500 imagine this

00:28:26.920 doesn't have

00:28:27.380 electoral

00:28:27.820 consequences

00:28:28.460 your thoughts

00:28:29.360 well I

00:28:30.460 think we

00:28:30.780 will know

00:28:31.500 in full

00:28:31.900 force from

00:28:32.380 a political

00:28:32.760 point of

00:28:33.120 view by

00:28:33.340 the

00:28:33.460 midterms

00:28:33.840 as you

00:28:34.120 said

00:28:34.340 but I

00:28:34.760 think we

00:28:35.180 may see

00:28:35.820 it in

00:28:36.040 the

00:28:36.180 Virginia

00:28:36.600 governor's

00:28:37.440 race

00:28:37.640 or the

00:28:37.900 New

00:28:38.040 Jersey

00:28:38.280 governor's

00:28:38.760 race

00:28:38.940 I

00:28:39.100 think

00:28:39.260 we'll

00:28:39.380 see

00:28:39.520 it

00:28:39.620 in

00:28:39.700 the

00:28:39.840 fundraising

00:28:40.280 totals

00:28:40.860 from

00:28:42.000 turning

00:28:42.880 point

00:28:43.220 I

00:28:43.520 think

00:28:43.720 we'll

00:28:43.900 see

00:28:44.120 it

00:28:44.300 in

00:28:44.720 social

00:28:45.280 media

00:28:45.560 the

00:28:45.740 way

00:28:45.880 you

00:28:46.040 just

00:28:46.280 described

00:28:46.760 it

00:28:46.980 there's

00:28:48.920 no doubt

00:28:49.200 in my

00:28:49.400 mind

00:28:49.560 this

00:28:49.720 will

00:28:49.840 cause

00:28:50.060 a

00:28:50.200 big

00:28:50.560 change

00:28:51.060 the

00:28:51.460 question

00:28:51.780 is

00:28:52.040 what's

00:28:52.300 the

00:28:52.480 scale

00:28:52.820 of

00:28:53.020 it

00:28:53.200 and

00:28:53.760 those

00:28:54.480 videos

00:28:54.980 match

00:28:55.720 up

00:28:56.000 a lot

00:28:56.480 of

00:28:56.580 what

00:28:56.700 I'm

00:28:56.860 hearing

00:28:57.140 and

00:28:57.380 seeing

00:28:57.660 but

00:28:58.480 at

00:28:58.600 the

00:28:58.700 same

00:28:58.900 time

00:28:59.140 you

00:28:59.320 can't

00:28:59.640 dismiss

00:29:00.080 the

00:29:00.440 manifestations

00:29:01.600 of

00:29:02.100 things

00:29:02.320 like

00:29:02.520 that

00:29:02.720 like

00:29:03.440 the

00:29:03.600 Jezebel

00:29:04.000 thing

00:29:04.320 or

00:29:04.900 like

00:29:05.220 Democratic

00:29:05.620 members

00:29:05.940 of

00:29:06.100 Congress

00:29:06.400 literally

00:29:06.900 on the

00:29:07.280 day

00:29:07.440 of

00:29:07.580 the

00:29:07.720 service

00:29:08.020 for

00:29:08.220 Charlie

00:29:08.540 going

00:29:09.140 on

00:29:09.340 TV

00:29:09.580 and

00:29:09.780 trashing

00:29:10.160 him

00:29:10.440 you

00:29:11.440 can't

00:29:11.820 underestimate

00:29:12.240 the

00:29:12.500 degree

00:29:12.680 to

00:29:12.800 which

00:29:12.960 the

00:29:13.100 other

00:29:13.300 side

00:29:13.600 is

00:29:13.740 not

00:29:13.980 just

00:29:14.220 going

00:29:14.420 to

00:29:14.580 give

00:29:14.800 up

00:29:15.080 or

00:29:16.080 change

00:29:17.200 their

00:29:17.440 ways

00:29:17.800 so

00:29:18.060 this

00:29:18.280 will

00:29:19.280 remain

00:29:19.820 a

00:29:20.060 battle

00:29:20.360 of

00:29:20.600 cultures

00:29:21.020 a

00:29:21.240 battle

00:29:21.500 of

00:29:21.980 red

00:29:22.400 and

00:29:22.540 blue

00:29:22.780 a

00:29:23.000 battle

00:29:23.240 of

00:29:23.640 believers

00:29:24.840 versus

00:29:25.200 non

00:29:25.500 believers

00:29:25.740 to

00:29:25.980 some

00:29:26.200 extent

00:29:26.580 and

00:29:27.300 I

00:29:27.420 think

00:29:27.680 it

00:29:27.840 hangs

00:29:28.280 the

00:29:28.440 balance

00:29:28.700 as

00:29:28.840 I

00:29:28.960 said

00:29:29.080 just

00:29:29.280 how

00:29:29.500 big

00:29:29.780 it

00:29:29.920 changed

00:29:30.220 how

00:29:30.360 fundamental

00:29:30.720 a

00:29:30.900 change

00:29:31.160 this

00:29:31.760 will

00:29:31.920 cause

00:29:32.280 in

00:29:32.460 hearts

00:29:32.860 and

00:29:33.040 minds

00:29:33.280 of

00:29:33.480 those

00:29:33.700 particularly

00:29:34.080 young

00:29:34.420 men

00:29:34.700 who

00:29:35.480 weren't

00:29:36.280 engaged

00:29:36.720 before

00:29:37.100 on

00:29:37.340 this

00:29:37.500 great

00:29:37.720 debate

00:29:38.080 and

00:29:39.280 it's

00:29:39.480 branding

00:29:39.940 I

00:29:40.560 mean

00:29:40.760 it's

00:29:41.120 like

00:29:41.340 the

00:29:42.180 Democrats

00:29:42.560 have

00:29:42.800 branded

00:29:43.320 themselves

00:29:44.020 as

00:29:45.020 this

00:29:45.360 hateful

00:29:46.140 party

00:29:46.480 and

00:29:46.760 that's

00:29:46.920 what

00:29:47.020 I'm

00:29:47.200 seeing

00:29:47.520 separate

00:29:49.400 and

00:29:49.560 apart

00:29:49.700 like

00:29:49.880 look

00:29:50.520 once

00:29:50.780 Charlie

00:29:51.120 was

00:29:51.720 killed

00:29:52.080 they

00:29:52.920 had

00:29:53.080 an

00:29:53.200 opportunity

00:29:53.540 just

00:29:53.820 to

00:29:57.680 who

00:29:57.920 murdered

00:29:58.160 Charlie

00:29:58.520 there's

00:29:59.220 no

00:29:59.400 question

00:29:59.740 about

00:29:59.980 that

00:30:00.320 but

00:30:00.940 this

00:30:01.700 didn't

00:30:01.920 have

00:30:02.120 to be

00:30:02.340 a

00:30:02.480 smear

00:30:02.780 of

00:30:03.040 the

00:30:03.180 entire

00:30:03.540 left

00:30:03.940 if

00:30:04.700 they

00:30:04.820 had

00:30:04.940 come

00:30:05.100 out

00:30:05.340 and

00:30:05.540 acted

00:30:05.940 like

00:30:06.200 decent

00:30:06.560 humans

00:30:07.080 universally

00:30:08.160 maybe

00:30:09.180 have

00:30:09.400 one

00:30:09.660 fringe

00:30:10.040 person

00:30:10.360 here

00:30:10.580 or

00:30:10.700 there

00:30:10.900 who

00:30:11.060 says

00:30:11.260 something

00:30:11.480 vile

00:30:11.780 but

00:30:12.280 we

00:30:12.460 have

00:30:12.640 had

00:30:13.080 reams

00:30:14.400 of

00:30:14.860 leftists

00:30:15.740 come

00:30:15.980 out

00:30:16.160 and

00:30:16.360 celebrate

00:30:17.060 Charlie's

00:30:17.620 murder

00:30:17.920 showing

00:30:19.080 truly

00:30:19.460 the same

00:30:20.020 inhumanity

00:30:20.860 that led

00:30:22.360 them to

00:30:22.600 not stand

00:30:23.140 for

00:30:23.520 DJ Daniel

00:30:24.660 at the

00:30:25.480 State

00:30:25.660 of the

00:30:25.840 Union

00:30:26.100 the

00:30:26.960 little

00:30:27.160 boy

00:30:27.340 with

00:30:27.500 cancer

00:30:27.940 to

00:30:29.220 not

00:30:29.760 clap

00:30:30.060 for

00:30:30.200 the

00:30:30.300 people

00:30:30.460 who

00:30:30.580 had

00:30:30.660 been

00:30:30.840 suffering

00:30:31.400 the

00:30:31.840 war

00:30:32.060 veterans

00:30:32.480 there's

00:30:33.700 something

00:30:34.040 happening

00:30:34.560 on

00:30:34.920 the

00:30:35.200 leftist

00:30:35.680 side

00:30:36.080 that

00:30:36.580 is

00:30:36.720 repelling

00:30:37.560 members

00:30:38.560 of

00:30:38.760 their

00:30:38.900 own

00:30:39.220 party

00:30:39.680 and

00:30:40.100 they

00:30:40.560 don't

00:30:41.260 seem

00:30:41.480 able

00:30:41.760 to

00:30:41.920 get

00:30:42.060 it

00:30:42.180 together

00:30:42.480 Mark

00:30:42.800 yeah

00:30:43.680 so

00:30:44.320 I

00:30:44.580 don't

00:30:44.760 always

00:30:45.120 like

00:30:45.360 to

00:30:45.480 do

00:30:45.580 the

00:30:45.720 thought

00:30:45.920 experiment

00:30:46.280 of

00:30:46.460 saying

00:30:46.680 what

00:30:46.880 if

00:30:47.000 this

00:30:47.200 had

00:30:47.340 been

00:30:47.520 on

00:30:47.860 the

00:30:47.960 other

00:30:48.120 side

00:30:48.460 what

00:30:48.640 if

00:30:48.820 a

00:30:49.660 31

00:30:50.040 year

00:30:50.280 old

00:30:50.480 charismatic

00:30:50.880 young

00:30:51.340 person

00:30:51.720 who

00:30:52.200 had

00:30:52.320 helped

00:30:52.540 Barack

00:30:52.840 Obama

00:30:53.220 get

00:30:53.480 elected

00:30:53.880 what

00:30:54.800 if

00:30:54.920 that

00:30:55.060 person

00:30:55.380 had

00:30:55.540 been

00:30:55.680 assassinated

00:30:56.320 by

00:30:56.720 someone

00:30:57.100 on

00:30:57.560 the

00:30:58.420 right

00:30:58.780 and

00:30:59.640 what

00:30:59.940 if

00:31:00.300 many

00:31:01.240 people

00:31:01.700 in

00:31:02.320 the

00:31:02.440 wake

00:31:02.640 of

00:31:02.760 that

00:31:02.920 assassination

00:31:03.360 on

00:31:04.160 the

00:31:04.440 right

00:31:04.800 had

00:31:05.440 gone

00:31:05.640 on

00:31:05.840 TV

00:31:06.120 to

00:31:06.540 criticize

00:31:07.040 the

00:31:07.920 person

00:31:08.200 who'd

00:31:08.400 been

00:31:08.540 killed

00:31:08.840 okay

00:31:09.640 so

00:31:10.140 what

00:31:10.620 would

00:31:10.760 happen

00:31:11.060 then

00:31:11.420 the

00:31:11.860 press

00:31:12.100 would

00:31:12.280 condemn

00:31:12.640 it

00:31:12.820 and

00:31:13.040 the

00:31:13.180 coverage

00:31:13.500 would

00:31:13.680 be

00:31:13.860 about

00:31:14.200 what

00:31:14.420 a

00:31:14.540 crisis

00:31:14.920 in

00:31:15.140 our

00:31:15.260 society

00:31:15.700 this

00:31:15.960 is

00:31:16.120 but

00:31:16.600 every

00:31:17.340 Republican

00:31:17.980 elected

00:31:19.200 Republican

00:31:20.060 prominent

00:31:20.720 Republican

00:31:21.200 would

00:31:21.720 be

00:31:21.880 asked

00:31:22.180 to

00:31:22.360 condemn

00:31:22.840 those

00:31:23.300 words

00:31:23.700 yes

00:31:24.680 you

00:31:24.860 know

00:31:25.200 you

00:31:25.280 know

00:31:25.500 you

00:31:25.960 know

00:31:26.280 has

00:31:26.740 anyone

00:31:26.980 asked

00:31:27.300 Hakeem

00:31:27.600 Jeffries

00:31:28.040 or

00:31:28.360 Chuck

00:31:28.720 Schumer

00:31:29.000 to

00:31:29.220 condemn

00:31:29.780 what's

00:31:30.880 been

00:31:31.060 said

00:31:31.480 not

00:31:32.120 just

00:31:32.340 by

00:31:32.540 fringe

00:31:32.940 people

00:31:33.360 but

00:31:34.020 by

00:31:34.200 members

00:31:34.520 of

00:31:34.660 their

00:31:34.960 fellow

00:31:35.240 members

00:31:35.580 of

00:31:35.740 Congress

00:31:36.060 this

00:31:36.840 this

00:31:37.600 is

00:31:37.800 a

00:31:38.000 failure

00:31:38.280 of

00:31:38.500 the

00:31:38.620 press

00:31:39.060 it's

00:31:39.520 a

00:31:39.640 failure

00:31:39.840 of

00:31:40.000 the

00:31:40.140 Democrats

00:31:40.540 and

00:31:40.880 again

00:31:41.140 it's

00:31:41.360 a

00:31:41.440 reflection

00:31:41.820 of

00:31:42.420 a

00:31:42.560 mindset

00:31:42.940 that

00:31:43.800 was

00:31:44.400 not

00:31:44.640 altered

00:31:44.940 even

00:31:45.400 for

00:31:45.640 12

00:31:46.020 hours

00:31:46.480 after

00:31:46.840 Charlie

00:31:47.220 Kirk

00:31:47.420 was

00:31:47.620 assassinated

00:31:48.320 you're

00:31:49.240 so

00:31:49.560 right

00:31:49.920 what

00:31:50.140 we

00:31:50.260 have

00:31:50.380 instead

00:31:50.640 is

00:31:50.840 Ilhan

00:31:51.200 Omar

00:31:51.620 out

00:31:52.440 there

00:31:52.840 crapping

00:31:54.120 all over

00:31:54.580 Charlie

00:31:55.060 I'm going

00:31:55.640 to show

00:31:55.820 you two

00:31:56.180 sots

00:31:56.500 and then

00:31:57.260 I'll show

00:31:57.500 you how

00:31:57.720 she's

00:31:57.960 being

00:31:58.180 treated

00:31:58.600 as a

00:31:59.120 result

00:31:59.360 here's

00:31:59.620 sat

00:31:59.760 29

00:32:00.160 with

00:32:01.220 her

00:32:01.460 you

00:32:01.840 called

00:32:02.140 Kirk

00:32:02.460 a

00:32:02.840 hateful

00:32:03.440 man

00:32:03.700 and

00:32:04.120 you

00:32:04.200 had

00:32:04.320 reposted

00:32:04.940 a

00:32:05.100 video

00:32:05.440 that

00:32:05.820 I'm

00:32:05.980 sure

00:32:06.100 you've

00:32:06.280 seen

00:32:06.400 you've

00:32:06.580 taken

00:32:06.760 criticism

00:32:07.160 for

00:32:07.520 it's

00:32:07.980 a

00:32:08.080 video

00:32:14.640 the

00:32:14.880 neck

00:32:15.200 because

00:32:15.900 there

00:32:16.040 were

00:32:16.140 a

00:32:16.240 lot

00:32:16.380 of

00:32:16.480 things

00:32:16.700 in

00:32:16.860 the

00:32:16.960 video

00:32:17.200 that

00:32:17.400 I

00:32:17.540 did

00:32:17.700 agree

00:32:17.980 with

00:32:18.360 obviously

00:32:19.420 we

00:32:19.700 share

00:32:19.920 videos

00:32:20.560 we

00:32:21.980 don't

00:32:22.120 have

00:32:22.300 to

00:32:22.400 agree

00:32:22.600 with

00:32:22.780 every

00:32:23.020 single

00:32:23.340 word

00:32:23.740 but

00:32:24.600 I

00:32:24.740 do

00:32:24.960 believe

00:32:25.400 he

00:32:25.740 was

00:32:25.920 a

00:32:26.060 reprehensible

00:32:26.780 hateful

00:32:27.640 man

00:32:27.960 what

00:32:28.200 I

00:32:28.520 find

00:32:28.940 jarring

00:32:29.440 is

00:32:29.940 that

00:32:30.120 there

00:32:30.240 are

00:32:30.340 so

00:32:30.480 many

00:32:30.700 people

00:32:31.020 willing

00:32:31.340 to

00:32:31.560 excuse

00:32:32.060 the

00:32:32.500 most

00:32:32.840 reprehensible

00:32:33.960 things

00:32:34.940 that

00:32:35.200 he

00:32:35.420 said

00:32:35.820 that

00:32:36.060 they

00:32:36.260 agree

00:32:36.640 with

00:32:36.900 that

00:32:37.180 that

00:32:37.340 they're

00:32:37.520 willing

00:32:37.940 to

00:32:38.520 have

00:32:38.860 monuments

00:32:39.380 for

00:32:39.780 him

00:32:40.060 that

00:32:40.240 they

00:32:40.380 want

00:32:40.560 to

00:32:40.680 create

00:32:41.080 a

00:32:41.260 day

00:32:41.540 to

00:32:41.800 honor

00:32:42.320 him

00:32:43.120 and

00:32:43.360 it

00:32:43.520 is

00:32:43.680 one

00:32:43.900 thing

00:32:44.260 to

00:32:44.500 care

00:32:44.780 about

00:32:45.100 his

00:32:45.340 life

00:32:45.700 because

00:32:46.020 obviously

00:32:46.580 so

00:32:47.020 many

00:32:47.340 people

00:32:47.800 loved

00:32:48.980 him

00:32:49.240 including

00:32:49.580 his

00:32:49.840 children

00:32:50.160 and

00:32:50.460 wife

00:32:50.780 but

00:32:51.340 I

00:32:51.540 am

00:32:51.720 not

00:32:52.140 going

00:32:52.460 to

00:32:52.660 sit

00:32:52.840 here

00:32:53.280 and

00:32:54.120 be

00:32:55.260 judged

00:32:56.860 for

00:32:57.140 not

00:32:57.360 wanting

00:32:57.640 to

00:32:57.860 honor

00:32:58.200 any

00:32:58.620 legacy

00:32:59.060 this

00:32:59.380 man

00:32:59.560 has

00:32:59.740 left

00:33:00.060 behind

00:33:00.520 that

00:33:00.780 should

00:33:00.980 be

00:33:01.300 in

00:33:01.660 the

00:33:01.880 dust

00:33:02.200 pin

00:33:02.520 of

00:33:02.800 history

00:33:03.280 and

00:33:04.060 we

00:33:04.220 should

00:33:04.500 hopefully

00:33:05.140 move

00:33:05.800 on

00:33:06.120 and

00:33:08.860 how's

00:33:10.820 your

00:33:10.940 brother

00:33:11.260 how's

00:33:12.100 your

00:33:12.200 brother

00:33:12.440 husband

00:33:12.820 let

00:33:13.300 us

00:33:13.420 know

00:33:13.580 get

00:33:13.740 back

00:33:13.920 to

00:33:14.060 us

00:33:14.280 that

00:33:14.500 Caitlin

00:33:15.120 Collins

00:33:15.440 forgot

00:33:15.680 that

00:33:15.900 question

00:33:16.240 just

00:33:17.760 a

00:33:17.940 word

00:33:18.140 what

00:33:18.640 she

00:33:18.780 did

00:33:18.940 there

00:33:19.060 at

00:33:19.160 the

00:33:19.240 top

00:33:19.540 was

00:33:19.880 to

00:33:20.320 pull

00:33:20.480 a

00:33:20.600 Jimmy

00:33:20.760 Kimmel

00:33:21.040 he

00:33:21.960 was

00:33:22.140 Dr.

00:33:22.500 Frankenstein

00:33:23.140 and

00:33:23.440 his

00:33:23.680 monster

00:33:24.240 his

00:33:24.640 monster

00:33:25.200 shot

00:33:25.760 him

00:33:26.040 in

00:33:26.860 other

00:33:27.000 words

00:33:27.180 the

00:33:27.460 one

00:33:27.660 he

00:33:27.880 created

00:33:28.360 so

00:33:29.080 someone

00:33:29.920 in

00:33:30.120 his

00:33:30.320 image

00:33:30.660 so

00:33:31.120 she's

00:33:31.420 doing

00:33:31.620 a

00:33:31.760 Jimmy

00:33:31.940 Kimmel

00:33:32.240 there

00:33:32.460 that

00:33:32.780 some

00:33:33.320 MAGA

00:33:33.740 created

00:33:34.200 monster

00:33:34.660 is the

00:33:35.020 one

00:33:35.180 who

00:33:35.300 took

00:33:35.480 Charlie's

00:33:35.860 life

00:33:36.080 that's

00:33:36.640 a

00:33:36.760 lie

00:33:37.000 again

00:33:37.400 totally

00:33:37.980 unchallenged

00:33:38.620 by

00:33:38.780 Caitlin

00:33:39.020 Collins

00:33:39.340 here

00:33:40.020 is

00:33:40.360 how

00:33:40.580 it

00:33:40.720 then

00:33:40.940 went

00:33:41.320 when

00:33:41.980 Ilhan

00:33:42.420 Omar

00:33:42.700 went

00:33:43.060 on

00:33:43.300 MSNBC

00:33:44.240 in the

00:33:44.760 interim

00:33:45.060 Trump

00:33:45.500 had

00:33:45.740 posted

00:33:46.340 a

00:33:46.640 not

00:33:46.980 kind

00:33:47.960 tweet

00:33:48.380 about

00:33:48.840 Ilhan

00:33:49.180 Omar

00:33:49.500 here's

00:33:50.060 what

00:33:50.120 happened

00:33:50.380 but also

00:33:51.940 I want

00:33:52.260 to ask

00:33:52.720 how

00:33:53.340 you

00:33:53.500 are

00:33:53.640 doing

00:33:54.040 you've

00:33:55.240 been

00:33:55.360 attacked

00:33:55.640 by

00:33:55.880 the

00:33:55.980 president

00:33:56.280 by

00:33:57.480 a

00:33:58.040 colleague

00:33:58.360 whose

00:33:58.600 office

00:33:58.880 is

00:33:59.100 right

00:33:59.520 next

00:33:59.900 door

00:34:00.180 to

00:34:00.360 yours

00:34:00.760 Congresswoman

00:34:01.620 Nancy

00:34:01.920 Mace

00:34:02.260 I

00:34:03.340 know

00:34:03.660 that

00:34:04.320 you

00:34:04.460 have

00:34:04.600 received

00:34:05.060 messages

00:34:05.620 and

00:34:06.260 voicemails

00:34:07.160 from

00:34:07.540 people

00:34:07.940 threatening

00:34:08.740 you

00:34:09.140 how

00:34:09.940 are

00:34:10.120 you

00:34:10.280 holding

00:34:10.540 up

00:34:10.780 first

00:34:11.200 oh my

00:34:11.900 lord

00:34:12.200 you know

00:34:13.880 I've

00:34:14.320 been

00:34:14.480 here

00:34:14.700 before

00:34:15.140 I've

00:34:16.200 been

00:34:16.460 the

00:34:17.080 target

00:34:17.620 of

00:34:18.580 the

00:34:18.980 president

00:34:19.720 in

00:34:20.280 the

00:34:20.500 most

00:34:20.900 vile

00:34:21.360 bigoted

00:34:21.920 racist

00:34:22.420 ways

00:34:22.940 that

00:34:23.220 you

00:34:23.340 could

00:34:23.500 imagine

00:34:23.940 and

00:34:25.420 I've

00:34:25.700 had

00:34:25.980 to

00:34:26.200 have

00:34:26.680 full

00:34:27.380 police

00:34:28.280 detail

00:34:28.760 because

00:34:29.240 of

00:34:29.480 that

00:34:29.880 okay

00:34:31.880 I

00:34:32.440 that

00:34:33.120 is

00:34:33.260 nothing

00:34:33.520 but

00:34:33.760 a

00:34:33.920 turn

00:34:34.220 off

00:34:34.500 to

00:34:35.000 most

00:34:35.260 normal

00:34:35.740 people

00:34:36.140 sitting

00:34:36.520 at

00:34:36.700 home

00:34:36.920 Mark

00:34:37.160 how

00:34:37.400 does

00:34:37.620 this

00:34:38.020 help

00:34:38.860 anyone

00:34:39.680 on

00:34:40.200 team

00:34:40.440 blue

00:34:40.660 I've

00:34:42.160 watched

00:34:42.420 that

00:34:42.620 interview

00:34:42.960 that

00:34:43.520 you

00:34:43.680 showed

00:34:44.100 with

00:34:44.720 Caitlin

00:34:45.020 Collins

00:34:45.320 and I

00:34:45.520 played

00:34:45.700 part

00:34:45.900 of it

00:34:46.060 on

00:34:46.180 next

00:34:46.380 up

00:34:46.560 this

00:34:46.780 week

00:34:47.080 and

00:34:47.740 you

00:34:48.760 know

00:34:48.860 I'm

00:34:49.080 very

00:34:49.320 forgiving

00:34:49.740 people

00:34:50.060 saying

00:34:50.320 things

00:34:50.600 on

00:34:50.740 live

00:34:50.980 TV

00:34:51.240 that

00:34:51.960 you

00:34:52.300 know

00:34:52.460 they

00:34:52.900 don't

00:34:53.120 really

00:34:53.380 mean

00:34:53.680 or

00:34:53.820 they

00:34:53.920 didn't

00:34:54.160 express

00:34:54.740 perfectly

00:34:55.320 because

00:34:55.580 it

00:34:55.840 happens

00:34:56.280 but

00:34:57.020 that

00:34:57.800 was

00:34:58.000 such

00:34:58.240 a

00:34:58.500 thoughtful

00:35:00.380 sustained

00:35:01.860 denunciation

00:35:02.800 of a man

00:35:03.860 who'd been

00:35:04.160 assassinated

00:35:04.900 and

00:35:05.900 there's

00:35:06.420 lots of

00:35:06.800 rhetoric

00:35:07.020 on both

00:35:07.400 sides

00:35:07.600 I'm

00:35:07.760 not

00:35:07.920 saying

00:35:08.140 she's

00:35:08.540 the

00:35:08.700 sole

00:35:08.980 defender

00:35:09.320 but

00:35:09.560 I

00:35:10.060 don't

00:35:10.380 really

00:35:10.780 understand

00:35:11.500 how

00:35:12.060 she

00:35:12.220 could

00:35:12.380 have

00:35:12.520 said

00:35:12.720 that

00:35:12.920 sustained

00:35:13.720 attack

00:35:14.520 on

00:35:15.220 Charlie

00:35:15.560 Kirk

00:35:15.920 just

00:35:16.960 man

00:35:17.800 just been

00:35:18.120 assassinated

00:35:18.680 and a

00:35:19.560 throwaway

00:35:20.020 line

00:35:20.280 oh

00:35:20.400 I

00:35:20.520 feel

00:35:20.680 bad

00:35:20.920 for

00:35:21.080 his

00:35:21.220 family

00:35:21.520 I

00:35:21.840 don't

00:35:22.080 I

00:35:22.240 really

00:35:22.420 don't

00:35:22.700 understand

00:35:23.160 it

00:35:23.360 I

00:35:23.980 don't

00:35:24.220 understand

00:35:24.640 where

00:35:25.520 someone

00:35:26.320 has a

00:35:26.800 heart

00:35:27.000 like

00:35:27.260 that

00:35:27.500 or

00:35:27.680 a

00:35:27.800 head

00:35:27.940 like

00:35:28.160 that

00:35:28.440 who

00:35:29.120 could

00:35:29.300 say

00:35:29.520 such

00:35:29.800 things

00:35:30.060 about

00:35:30.240 a

00:35:30.340 man

00:35:30.480 who'd

00:35:30.660 just

00:35:30.780 been

00:35:30.960 assassinated

00:35:31.660 and

00:35:32.960 to do

00:35:34.460 it

00:35:34.580 so

00:35:34.760 openly

00:35:35.160 to

00:35:35.780 do

00:35:35.980 it

00:35:36.160 full

00:35:36.620 throated

00:35:37.020 unembarrassed

00:35:38.080 defiant

00:35:38.960 I

00:35:39.800 don't

00:35:40.140 understand

00:35:40.900 that

00:35:41.320 and

00:35:41.560 for

00:35:41.960 people

00:35:42.220 like

00:35:42.480 President

00:35:42.740 Obama

00:35:43.080 who

00:35:43.280 says

00:35:43.480 well

00:35:43.740 they're

00:35:44.320 grieving

00:35:44.680 give

00:35:45.000 them

00:35:45.160 a

00:35:45.320 moment

00:35:45.600 I

00:35:46.220 give

00:35:46.580 more

00:35:46.800 than

00:35:46.960 a

00:35:47.100 moment

00:35:47.420 not

00:35:48.440 just

00:35:48.620 for

00:35:48.780 his

00:35:48.920 family

00:35:49.240 but

00:35:49.440 for

00:35:49.580 the

00:35:49.760 tens

00:35:50.480 of

00:35:50.640 millions

00:35:50.820 of

00:35:51.020 people

00:35:51.320 who

00:35:51.860 are

00:35:52.160 deeply

00:35:53.040 upset

00:35:53.720 and

00:35:54.060 understandably

00:35:54.880 so

00:35:55.240 I

00:35:55.840 just

00:35:56.140 I

00:35:56.560 don't

00:35:56.800 understand

00:35:57.240 it

00:35:57.440 I

00:35:57.900 am

00:35:59.400 at

00:35:59.540 a

00:35:59.680 loss

00:35:59.980 to

00:36:00.180 explain

00:36:00.820 how

00:36:01.420 anyone

00:36:01.900 let alone

00:36:02.300 someone

00:36:02.540 in a

00:36:02.740 position

00:36:03.060 of

00:36:03.340 a

00:36:03.680 public

00:36:03.960 authority

00:36:04.400 as

00:36:04.580 an

00:36:04.700 elected

00:36:04.960 official

00:36:05.420 could

00:36:06.100 say

00:36:06.300 those

00:36:06.560 things

00:36:06.940 and

00:36:08.220 meanwhile

00:36:08.460 here

00:36:08.840 is

00:36:09.320 another

00:36:10.000 leftist

00:36:10.500 very

00:36:10.760 popular

00:36:11.180 sub

00:36:13.740 on

00:36:14.860 September

00:36:15.340 sorry

00:36:16.700 Cox Richardson

00:36:17.360 spreading

00:36:18.680 on

00:36:19.100 September

00:36:19.380 17th

00:36:20.560 okay

00:36:20.760 17th

00:36:21.420 Charlie

00:36:21.600 was killed

00:36:21.940 on the

00:36:22.180 10th

00:36:22.860 by the

00:36:23.340 17th

00:36:23.700 we knew

00:36:23.900 everything

00:36:24.220 we knew

00:36:24.740 about

00:36:24.900 the

00:36:25.040 trans

00:36:25.320 stuff

00:36:25.620 and

00:36:25.780 the

00:36:25.900 furry

00:36:26.120 stuff

00:36:26.500 and

00:36:26.640 the

00:36:26.760 left-wing

00:36:27.020 ideology

00:36:27.500 and

00:36:27.840 he

00:36:27.940 had

00:36:28.040 too

00:36:28.200 much

00:36:28.380 hate

00:36:28.660 allegedly

00:36:29.020 and

00:36:29.180 what

00:36:29.260 was

00:36:29.360 on

00:36:29.460 the

00:36:29.560 bullet

00:36:29.740 casings

00:36:30.160 and

00:36:30.760 she

00:36:30.980 goes

00:36:31.200 on

00:36:31.360 the

00:36:31.540 bulwark

00:36:32.080 podcast

00:36:32.540 this

00:36:32.920 is

00:36:33.040 another

00:36:33.240 organization

00:36:33.780 dedicated

00:36:34.340 to

00:36:34.560 hating

00:36:34.740 Trump

00:36:35.080 and

00:36:35.880 says

00:36:36.080 the

00:36:36.220 following

00:36:36.540 SOT

00:36:36.780 32

00:36:37.120 text

00:36:38.700 messages

00:36:39.080 do

00:36:39.300 make

00:36:39.500 it

00:36:39.580 appear

00:36:39.860 like

00:36:40.240 he

00:36:41.280 was

00:36:41.440 motivated

00:36:41.880 because

00:36:42.180 he

00:36:42.380 didn't

00:36:42.860 like

00:36:43.180 the

00:36:43.860 things

00:36:44.680 that

00:36:44.860 Charlie

00:36:45.080 Kirk

00:36:45.260 had

00:36:45.360 said

00:36:45.480 about

00:36:45.640 trans

00:36:45.920 people

00:36:46.220 we'll

00:36:46.600 know

00:36:46.720 more

00:36:46.880 eventually

00:36:47.260 yeah

00:36:47.740 but you

00:36:48.180 even

00:36:48.380 can't

00:36:48.720 say

00:36:48.920 that

00:36:49.400 because

00:36:49.940 until

00:36:51.700 it

00:36:52.040 gets

00:36:52.300 to

00:36:52.480 a

00:36:52.640 court

00:36:52.880 of

00:36:53.040 law

00:36:53.460 and

00:36:54.180 we

00:36:54.340 actually

00:36:54.800 have

00:36:55.320 evidence

00:36:55.900 that

00:36:56.160 is

00:36:56.340 introduced

00:36:57.060 and

00:36:57.700 that

00:36:58.140 you know

00:36:58.520 and

00:36:58.660 witnesses

00:36:59.120 and

00:36:59.480 stuff

00:36:59.740 it's

00:37:00.760 what I

00:37:01.000 said

00:37:01.180 right

00:37:01.380 after

00:37:01.700 the

00:37:01.940 shooting

00:37:02.280 itself

00:37:02.900 and

00:37:03.640 everybody

00:37:03.920 was

00:37:04.160 making

00:37:04.380 assumptions

00:37:04.780 about

00:37:05.140 who

00:37:05.280 had

00:37:05.420 done

00:37:05.560 it

00:37:05.660 before

00:37:05.880 they

00:37:06.080 caught

00:37:06.360 Robinson

00:37:06.900 from

00:37:07.840 the

00:37:08.040 bullet

00:37:08.220 casings

00:37:08.740 you

00:37:09.920 just

00:37:11.460 don't

00:37:11.740 know

00:37:11.940 it

00:37:12.120 certainly

00:37:12.440 looks

00:37:12.840 one

00:37:13.080 way

00:37:13.260 but

00:37:13.440 it

00:37:13.580 could

00:37:13.760 be

00:37:13.960 somebody

00:37:14.300 he

00:37:14.460 cut

00:37:14.800 off

00:37:15.060 in

00:37:15.260 traffic

00:37:15.780 for

00:37:16.560 all

00:37:16.820 you

00:37:17.020 know

00:37:17.320 until

00:37:17.700 it's

00:37:18.060 actually

00:37:18.480 been

00:37:18.740 tested

00:37:19.200 she

00:37:20.500 she's

00:37:21.300 an

00:37:21.420 idiot

00:37:21.660 is

00:37:22.100 this

00:37:22.220 where

00:37:22.360 leftists

00:37:22.680 are

00:37:22.800 getting

00:37:22.960 their

00:37:23.140 news

00:37:23.500 and

00:37:23.600 opinion

00:37:23.840 from

00:37:24.100 I

00:37:24.260 mean

00:37:24.360 this

00:37:24.500 is

00:37:25.120 explain

00:37:25.340 a

00:37:25.820 lot

00:37:26.040 yeah

00:37:26.760 just

00:37:27.460 as

00:37:27.700 so

00:37:27.900 many

00:37:28.020 people

00:37:28.280 on

00:37:28.420 the

00:37:28.520 left

00:37:28.720 continue

00:37:29.080 to

00:37:29.260 ask

00:37:29.480 me

00:37:29.660 oh

00:37:29.920 I

00:37:30.260 didn't

00:37:30.440 really

00:37:30.580 know

00:37:30.760 much

00:37:31.040 about

00:37:31.400 the

00:37:31.860 importance

00:37:32.220 of

00:37:32.440 Charlie

00:37:32.700 Kirk

00:37:32.920 I

00:37:33.380 think

00:37:33.500 a lot

00:37:33.700 of

00:37:33.780 people

00:37:33.920 on

00:37:34.020 the

00:37:34.120 right

00:37:34.340 may

00:37:34.700 not

00:37:34.960 know

00:37:35.260 the

00:37:35.440 importance

00:37:35.760 of

00:37:35.900 Heather

00:37:36.080 Cox

00:37:36.400 Richardson

00:37:36.780 she's

00:37:37.360 not

00:37:37.520 their

00:37:37.680 Charlie

00:37:38.000 Kirk

00:37:38.280 because

00:37:38.480 her

00:37:38.820 contributions

00:37:40.440 are

00:37:41.340 not

00:37:41.560 as

00:37:41.720 broad

00:37:42.380 and

00:37:42.580 varied

00:37:42.880 and

00:37:43.060 as

00:37:43.280 direct

00:37:43.680 as

00:37:43.880 his

00:37:44.060 were

00:37:44.240 but

00:37:44.720 she's

00:37:45.020 extremely

00:37:45.940 powerful

00:37:46.540 extremely

00:37:47.340 influential

00:37:47.920 on

00:37:48.220 the

00:37:48.340 left

00:37:48.540 through

00:37:49.060 her

00:37:49.280 sub

00:37:49.480 stack

00:37:49.720 through

00:37:49.920 appearances

00:37:50.420 like

00:37:50.740 that

00:37:51.020 so

00:37:51.480 this

00:37:51.640 is

00:37:51.780 not

00:37:51.960 just

00:37:52.140 some

00:37:52.360 random

00:37:52.780 person

00:37:53.340 of

00:37:53.520 the

00:37:53.640 left

00:37:53.840 is

00:37:54.020 very

00:37:54.780 influential

00:37:55.220 she's

00:37:55.500 kind

00:37:55.680 of

00:37:56.280 in

00:37:56.520 some

00:37:56.760 ways

00:37:56.900 more

00:37:57.080 influential

00:37:57.400 now

00:37:57.600 than

00:37:57.740 Rachel

00:37:58.040 Maddow

00:37:58.500 and

00:37:59.100 she

00:37:59.440 has

00:37:59.640 been

00:37:59.780 on

00:38:00.120 this

00:38:00.340 since

00:38:00.540 the

00:38:00.720 first

00:38:01.020 day

00:38:01.420 where

00:38:01.860 she

00:38:02.060 wants

00:38:02.360 to

00:38:02.940 indignantly

00:38:03.980 deny

00:38:04.720 the

00:38:05.360 available

00:38:05.860 information

00:38:06.540 about

00:38:07.540 the

00:38:08.020 alleged

00:38:08.840 killer

00:38:09.200 and

00:38:09.800 again

00:38:10.100 I

00:38:10.340 go

00:38:10.480 back

00:38:10.640 to

00:38:10.720 what

00:38:10.820 I

00:38:10.880 said

00:38:11.020 about

00:38:11.240 Congressman

00:38:11.620 Omar

00:38:11.940 I

00:38:12.420 don't

00:38:12.920 understand

00:38:13.340 that

00:38:13.580 mentality

00:38:14.180 don't

00:38:14.800 understand

00:38:15.020 the

00:38:15.140 mentality

00:38:15.460 to

00:38:15.740 try

00:38:16.260 to

00:38:16.580 create

00:38:17.060 a

00:38:17.600 different

00:38:17.920 reality

00:38:18.500 than

00:38:18.780 the

00:38:18.920 evidence

00:38:19.240 suggests

00:38:19.780 for

00:38:20.760 whatever

00:38:21.540 purpose

00:38:22.020 I

00:38:22.180 do

00:38:22.380 not

00:38:22.580 understand

00:38:23.100 all

00:38:24.980 right

00:38:25.160 so

00:38:25.460 that

00:38:26.440 sort

00:38:26.700 of

00:38:26.800 denialism

00:38:27.340 by the

00:38:27.600 way

00:38:27.700 this

00:38:27.920 woman 0.99

00:38:28.240 has

00:38:28.600 2.6

00:38:29.240 million

00:38:29.620 subscribers

00:38:30.280 so

00:38:30.520 you're

00:38:30.680 not

00:38:30.820 wrong

00:38:31.120 speaking

00:38:34.500 of being

00:38:34.860 in

00:38:35.040 denial

00:38:35.340 this

00:38:37.120 morning

00:38:37.460 I

00:38:37.800 was

00:38:37.980 listening

00:38:38.320 to

00:38:38.860 I

00:38:39.420 do

00:38:39.560 it

00:38:39.680 so

00:38:39.840 you

00:38:40.020 don't

00:38:40.140 have

00:38:40.340 to

00:38:40.520 NPR

00:38:41.500 up

00:38:41.880 first

00:38:42.200 morning

00:38:42.600 podcast

00:38:43.120 I

00:38:43.760 always

00:38:43.940 like

00:38:44.080 to

00:38:44.160 hear

00:38:44.260 what

00:38:44.360 the

00:38:44.460 left

00:38:44.620 is

00:38:44.780 saying

00:38:45.040 I

00:38:45.820 know

00:38:46.000 it's

00:38:46.160 painful

00:38:46.440 but I

00:38:46.800 do it

00:38:47.080 out of

00:38:47.380 love

00:38:47.600 for

00:38:47.840 the

00:38:48.200 audience

00:38:48.460 not

00:38:48.720 because

00:38:49.220 it's

00:38:49.780 important

00:38:50.100 or

00:38:50.320 objective

00:38:50.900 and

00:38:51.980 they

00:38:54.180 were

00:38:54.320 getting

00:38:54.520 into

00:38:54.700 the

00:38:54.840 Kimmel

00:38:55.020 controversy

00:38:55.500 which

00:38:55.740 we're

00:38:55.860 going

00:38:55.940 to

00:38:56.000 turn

00:38:56.140 to

00:38:56.260 now

00:38:56.480 and

00:38:57.540 they

00:38:58.440 needed

00:38:59.000 to

00:38:59.240 tee

00:38:59.460 up

00:38:59.700 as

00:38:59.980 any

00:39:00.260 good

00:39:00.640 report

00:39:01.040 will

00:39:01.220 do

00:39:01.520 how

00:39:02.180 this

00:39:02.400 got

00:39:02.580 started

00:39:02.980 why

00:39:03.920 are

00:39:04.180 we

00:39:04.260 talking

00:39:04.440 about

00:39:04.600 Jimmy

00:39:04.740 Kimmel

00:39:05.060 what

00:39:05.320 was

00:39:05.500 his

00:39:05.700 alleged

00:39:05.980 offense

00:39:06.440 on

00:39:07.280 the

00:39:07.520 airwaves

00:39:07.960 that

00:39:08.140 caused

00:39:08.460 him

00:39:08.620 to be

00:39:08.840 pulled

00:39:09.000 off

00:39:09.160 the

00:39:09.280 air

00:39:09.380 for

00:39:09.540 a

00:39:09.680 week

00:39:09.900 and

00:39:11.140 here

00:39:16.800 was

00:39:26.800 one of

00:39:26.820 their

00:39:26.980 own

00:39:27.440 but

00:39:28.520 here

00:39:28.700 is

00:39:28.860 how

00:39:29.160 the

00:39:29.500 NPR

00:39:29.940 audience

00:39:30.620 heard

00:39:31.300 about

00:39:32.220 Kimmel's

00:39:32.780 offense

00:39:33.220 Jimmy

00:39:34.980 Kimmel

00:39:35.460 live

00:39:35.900 will be

00:39:36.200 back

00:39:36.540 on the

00:39:36.800 air

00:39:36.960 tonight

00:39:37.360 nearly

00:39:37.700 a

00:39:37.960 week

00:39:38.200 after

00:39:38.440 the

00:39:38.620 late

00:39:38.820 night

00:39:39.020 show

00:39:39.220 was

00:39:39.400 pulled

00:39:39.760 off

00:39:40.080 the

00:39:40.260 air

00:39:40.540 during

00:39:40.940 his

00:39:41.320 monologue

00:39:41.760 last

00:39:42.120 week

00:39:42.340 Kimmel

00:39:42.720 made

00:39:42.960 fun

00:39:43.420 of

00:39:43.640 Trump's

00:39:43.960 reaction

00:39:44.420 to

00:39:44.700 the

00:39:44.840 Charlie

00:39:45.060 Kirk

00:39:45.240 killing

00:39:45.560 and

00:39:45.800 accused

00:39:46.140 MAGA

00:39:46.400 of

00:39:46.580 using

00:39:46.800 his

00:39:47.020 death

00:39:47.340 to

00:39:47.900 score

00:39:48.080 political

00:39:48.400 points

00:39:48.800 made

00:39:51.080 fun

00:39:51.260 of

00:39:51.400 Trump

00:39:51.700 and

00:39:53.060 accused

00:39:53.500 MAGA

00:39:53.900 of

00:39:54.140 using

00:39:54.500 his

00:39:54.780 death

00:39:55.040 to

00:39:55.240 score

00:39:55.380 political

00:39:55.700 points

00:39:55.940 zero

00:39:56.620 about

00:39:57.460 what

00:39:57.760 Kimmel

00:39:58.100 actually

00:39:59.120 said

00:39:59.680 Mark

00:40:00.240 and

00:40:00.800 that

00:40:00.980 is

00:40:01.120 by

00:40:01.320 design

00:40:02.040 it

00:40:02.340 is

00:40:02.480 a

00:40:02.640 willful

00:40:03.380 misleading

00:40:04.100 of

00:40:04.540 the

00:40:04.680 audience

00:40:05.220 and

00:40:05.920 they

00:40:06.600 elide

00:40:07.160 the

00:40:07.360 most

00:40:07.600 difficult

00:40:08.160 points

00:40:08.700 of

00:40:08.920 what

00:40:09.160 they're

00:40:09.700 dealing

00:40:10.020 with

00:40:10.300 over

00:40:10.580 there

00:40:10.840 on

00:40:11.100 the

00:40:11.260 leftist

00:40:11.620 team

00:40:11.920 because

00:40:12.560 they're

00:40:13.240 trying

00:40:13.600 to run

00:40:13.880 cover

00:40:14.120 for one

00:40:14.420 of

00:40:14.540 their

00:40:14.680 own

00:40:14.940 yeah

00:40:17.060 you know

00:40:17.420 I still

00:40:17.860 hear from

00:40:18.260 people

00:40:18.580 who

00:40:18.920 say

00:40:19.260 oh

00:40:19.460 you're

00:40:19.700 wrong

00:40:19.960 the

00:40:20.120 media

00:40:20.320 is

00:40:20.440 not

00:40:20.600 liberally

00:40:21.000 biased

00:40:21.460 they're

00:40:21.700 corporate

00:40:22.120 biased

00:40:22.700 or

00:40:22.960 whatever

00:40:23.740 I mean

00:40:24.340 that

00:40:25.360 that

00:40:25.960 is

00:40:26.300 one

00:40:26.600 example

00:40:27.040 of

00:40:27.300 many

00:40:27.620 and

00:40:27.880 and

00:40:28.280 I've

00:40:29.000 read

00:40:29.320 obsessively

00:40:30.040 read

00:40:30.240 the

00:40:30.360 New York

00:40:30.560 Times

00:40:30.780 and

00:40:30.920 Washington

00:40:31.200 Post

00:40:31.460 coverage

00:40:31.860 of

00:40:32.100 the

00:40:32.300 assassination

00:40:32.740 they

00:40:34.540 just

00:40:35.080 will

00:40:35.280 not

00:40:35.560 drop

00:40:36.160 the

00:40:36.540 same

00:40:36.800 mindset

00:40:37.220 that

00:40:37.480 caused

00:40:37.980 them

00:40:38.120 to

00:40:38.260 participate

00:40:38.740 in

00:40:39.540 an

00:40:39.660 attempted

00:40:39.960 cover-up

00:40:40.500 of

00:40:40.620 Joe

00:40:40.800 Biden's

00:40:41.200 cognitive

00:40:41.560 decline

00:40:42.080 or to

00:40:43.020 cover

00:40:43.520 everything

00:40:44.040 Donald

00:40:44.360 Trump

00:40:44.580 does

00:40:44.880 with

00:40:45.080 hostility

00:40:45.660 this

00:40:46.440 is

00:40:46.680 this

00:40:47.220 is

00:40:47.420 unfortunately

00:40:47.960 par for

00:40:48.460 the course

00:40:48.880 and those

00:40:49.320 who thought

00:40:49.740 as maybe

00:40:50.600 I did

00:40:50.960 for 20

00:40:51.400 seconds

00:40:51.780 that the

00:40:52.540 assassination

00:40:52.960 of Charlie

00:40:53.540 Kirk

00:40:53.760 would cause

00:40:54.200 a

00:40:54.340 consciousness

00:40:54.740 raising

00:40:55.260 they're

00:40:56.160 just

00:40:56.440 they're

00:40:56.940 just

00:40:57.120 not

00:40:57.480 willing

00:40:59.400 to

00:41:00.000 change

00:41:00.320 their

00:41:00.540 ways

00:41:00.960 just

00:41:01.520 because

00:41:01.820 a

00:41:01.980 man

00:41:02.120 was

00:41:02.300 assassinated

00:41:03.460 just

00:41:04.280 for the

00:41:04.600 record

00:41:04.860 here's

00:41:05.220 thought

00:41:05.400 20

00:41:05.720 we had

00:41:07.600 some new

00:41:08.000 lows

00:41:08.280 over the

00:41:08.620 weekend

00:41:08.980 with the

00:41:09.720 MAGA gang

00:41:10.400 desperately

00:41:10.840 trying to

00:41:11.520 characterize

00:41:11.960 this kid

00:41:13.080 who murdered

00:41:13.560 Charlie

00:41:13.980 Kirk

00:41:14.300 as anything

00:41:14.800 other than

00:41:15.320 one of

00:41:15.760 them

00:41:15.980 and

00:41:16.160 everything

00:41:16.660 they can

00:41:17.280 to score

00:41:18.160 political

00:41:18.600 points

00:41:19.060 from it

00:41:19.480 yeah

00:41:20.620 just

00:41:21.140 just so

00:41:21.680 we're all

00:41:22.000 clear

00:41:22.300 on what

00:41:23.140 he actually

00:41:23.580 said

00:41:23.900 so he's

00:41:24.920 coming back

00:41:25.480 now Mark

00:41:25.980 but not

00:41:26.520 not everywhere

00:41:27.420 it's actually

00:41:28.060 gotten very

00:41:28.560 interesting

00:41:28.960 just before

00:41:29.740 we came

00:41:30.100 to air

00:41:30.440 we found

00:41:30.880 out

00:41:31.120 last night

00:41:31.480 we knew

00:41:31.700 that Sinclair

00:41:32.440 which owns

00:41:33.520 some

00:41:34.260 I don't know

00:41:34.880 what the

00:41:35.080 number is

00:41:35.400 on Sinclair

00:41:35.840 a large

00:41:36.540 number

00:41:36.820 is it

00:41:37.400 38

00:41:37.900 affiliate

00:41:39.920 groups

00:41:40.600 or stations

00:41:41.480 said

00:41:42.300 we don't

00:41:43.040 care what

00:41:43.320 you say

00:41:43.540 Disney

00:41:43.860 we're not

00:41:44.380 airing

00:41:44.640 Jimmy Kimmel

00:41:45.120 and it's

00:41:45.760 up to us

00:41:46.280 something

00:41:46.900 they were

00:41:47.240 empowered

00:41:47.600 to say

00:41:48.000 by Brendan

00:41:48.640 Carr

00:41:48.860 of the

00:41:49.080 FCC

00:41:49.560 he didn't

00:41:51.760 make them

00:41:52.560 do whatever

00:41:53.040 they did

00:41:53.420 but he

00:41:53.740 made clear

00:41:54.240 to them

00:41:54.680 you know

00:41:55.000 you do

00:41:55.240 have

00:41:55.400 independent

00:41:55.760 authority

00:41:56.200 you actually

00:41:56.820 do have

00:41:57.260 a right

00:41:57.580 to protect

00:41:58.320 the public

00:41:58.660 interest

00:41:58.960 and if you

00:41:59.300 don't want

00:41:59.700 to air

00:41:59.960 Jimmy Kimmel

00:42:00.420 you don't

00:42:00.700 have to

00:42:01.120 so Sinclair

00:42:03.140 notwithstanding

00:42:03.600 the fact

00:42:03.880 that Disney

00:42:04.240 said we're

00:42:04.600 bringing him

00:42:05.020 back

00:42:05.300 Disney

00:42:06.120 held the line

00:42:07.240 for five

00:42:07.780 episodes

00:42:08.140 and then

00:42:08.580 said oh

00:42:09.340 wait we got

00:42:09.780 a nasty

00:42:10.160 letter from

00:42:10.800 Jimmy Kimmel

00:42:12.060 supporting

00:42:12.520 celebrities

00:42:13.240 okay we're

00:42:13.760 out he's

00:42:14.220 back on

00:42:14.580 so Sinclair

00:42:16.120 said no

00:42:16.620 we're not

00:42:17.380 airing him

00:42:17.840 and then this

00:42:18.540 morning just as

00:42:19.080 we came to

00:42:19.680 air

00:42:19.880 next star

00:42:20.620 to said

00:42:21.840 us either

00:42:23.560 we're not

00:42:24.420 airing him

00:42:24.980 either so

00:42:25.500 now you've

00:42:25.800 got some

00:42:26.180 one-third of

00:42:27.060 the ABC

00:42:27.600 affiliates out

00:42:28.660 there airing

00:42:30.000 something else

00:42:30.520 I think it's

00:42:30.900 going to be

00:42:31.140 alternate news

00:42:31.760 programming is

00:42:33.160 the option

00:42:33.540 right now and

00:42:34.440 that's interesting

00:42:35.320 because now we're

00:42:35.920 in the same

00:42:36.300 position we were

00:42:36.940 in yesterday

00:42:37.920 and the day

00:42:38.300 before Mark

00:42:38.860 those are the

00:42:39.280 two station

00:42:39.760 groups station

00:42:40.820 owners who

00:42:41.300 said we're

00:42:41.740 not airing

00:42:42.120 Kimmel so

00:42:42.720 where are we

00:42:43.500 today in your

00:42:44.120 view just in

00:42:45.140 terms of this

00:42:45.580 fight

00:42:45.820 well once

00:42:47.100 upon a time

00:42:47.640 the relationship

00:42:48.340 between the

00:42:49.140 networks and

00:42:49.800 the station

00:42:50.220 groups were

00:42:50.900 even more

00:42:51.740 intense and

00:42:53.440 the state

00:42:53.980 networks were

00:42:54.760 even more

00:42:55.240 dependent on

00:42:56.280 the stations

00:42:56.740 they can put

00:42:57.640 it on Hulu

00:42:58.220 they could put

00:42:58.740 it on YouTube

00:42:59.240 so they can

00:42:59.880 distribute more

00:43:01.240 easily in the

00:43:01.920 digital agent

00:43:02.460 without the

00:43:02.920 stations but

00:43:03.520 make no mistake

00:43:04.560 they're still

00:43:04.980 very dependent

00:43:05.620 on those

00:43:06.100 affiliate

00:43:06.440 relationships

00:43:07.100 and these

00:43:07.620 two big

00:43:08.420 station owners

00:43:09.080 have the

00:43:09.500 right and

00:43:10.240 I'm sure

00:43:10.720 they think

00:43:11.060 the responsibility

00:43:11.740 to not bring

00:43:13.000 Kimmel back

00:43:13.540 I suspect

00:43:14.100 Disney will try

00:43:14.880 to change

00:43:15.700 their minds

00:43:16.300 or perhaps

00:43:17.500 this will be

00:43:17.960 the spur

00:43:18.380 to cancel

00:43:18.900 a show

00:43:19.320 that I

00:43:20.480 don't know

00:43:20.740 if it makes

00:43:21.080 money or not

00:43:21.620 but it's not

00:43:22.060 as popular

00:43:22.520 as it once

00:43:23.020 was

00:43:23.300 this is

00:43:24.380 how the

00:43:25.900 market should

00:43:26.400 work

00:43:26.800 right

00:43:27.300 Disney can

00:43:28.660 do what

00:43:28.900 it wants

00:43:29.380 and these

00:43:30.080 station owners

00:43:30.620 can do what

00:43:31.080 they want

00:43:31.460 and in the

00:43:32.200 end and

00:43:32.700 almost certainly

00:43:33.420 the consumers

00:43:34.140 will decide

00:43:34.880 but as you

00:43:35.360 pointed out

00:43:35.980 liberals are

00:43:37.620 really up in

00:43:38.080 arms about

00:43:38.620 this and

00:43:39.720 they wanted

00:43:40.680 Kimmel back

00:43:41.260 on and

00:43:41.700 amongst the

00:43:42.540 parts of Bob

00:43:43.200 Iger's job 0.99

00:43:43.900 is running

00:43:44.640 the Walt Disney

00:43:45.220 company

00:43:45.700 and the

00:43:46.280 ABC network

00:43:46.940 is keeping

00:43:47.960 talent happy

00:43:48.800 and most of

00:43:49.660 the talent

00:43:49.980 is extremely

00:43:50.620 liberal

00:43:51.040 so who's

00:43:54.240 winning

00:43:54.500 well I don't

00:43:58.100 think we know

00:43:58.540 I think we'll

00:43:58.900 have to see

00:43:59.500 if these stations

00:44:00.660 continue to not

00:44:01.400 run the show

00:44:01.940 if the show

00:44:02.300 gets cancelled

00:44:02.980 if Disney

00:44:03.600 finds some

00:44:04.780 other way

00:44:05.140 to distribute

00:44:05.660 it

00:44:05.960 I mean the

00:44:06.460 reality is

00:44:07.140 if they put it

00:44:07.960 on YouTube

00:44:08.400 and Hulu

00:44:09.020 they may get

00:44:10.540 a bigger audience

00:44:11.260 than they get

00:44:12.460 and they may

00:44:13.180 be able to

00:44:13.500 monetize that

00:44:14.280 more than

00:44:14.980 they do

00:44:15.240 on the ABC

00:44:15.760 television network

00:44:16.640 so commercially

00:44:17.920 it's too soon

00:44:18.580 to say who's

00:44:19.100 winning

00:44:19.460 and I think

00:44:20.020 in terms of

00:44:20.480 the political

00:44:21.600 or ideological

00:44:22.360 fight

00:44:22.820 I think

00:44:23.200 it's good

00:44:24.420 that the market

00:44:25.100 can decide

00:44:25.680 and that these

00:44:26.180 stations can

00:44:26.800 stand up

00:44:27.280 and do

00:44:27.560 what they

00:44:28.240 think is

00:44:28.560 right for

00:44:28.880 their constituencies

00:44:29.780 and for their

00:44:30.340 own personal

00:44:30.800 views

00:44:31.260 see I think

00:44:32.540 it's great

00:44:33.380 that Nexstar

00:44:35.160 and Sinclair

00:44:35.840 are standing

00:44:36.960 up for

00:44:38.040 their audiences

00:44:39.240 my team

00:44:40.000 tells me

00:44:40.340 that they

00:44:40.620 comprise a

00:44:41.260 total of

00:44:41.780 22%

00:44:42.800 of US

00:44:43.700 households

00:44:44.100 that according

00:44:45.020 to the Wall

00:44:45.320 Street Journal

00:44:45.820 combined

00:44:46.800 they own

00:44:47.280 and operate

00:44:47.660 more than

00:44:48.000 60 ABC

00:44:49.140 affiliates

00:44:49.800 that reach

00:44:50.200 22%

00:44:50.780 of US

00:44:51.120 households

00:44:51.500 so it's

00:44:52.320 a pretty

00:44:53.040 good chunk

00:44:53.500 of the ABC

00:44:54.660 audience

00:44:55.080 which means

00:44:55.640 you know

00:44:56.400 Kimmel's ratings

00:44:56.920 will be inflated

00:44:57.600 because of the

00:44:58.200 controversy

00:44:58.660 no question

00:44:59.240 I don't know

00:45:00.160 whether we'll

00:45:00.820 see that

00:45:01.240 given the

00:45:01.620 fact that

00:45:02.000 these two

00:45:02.660 affiliate

00:45:03.300 owners

00:45:03.640 are not

00:45:04.240 going to

00:45:04.440 air

00:45:04.720 his show

00:45:05.420 but this

00:45:06.500 is like

00:45:07.020 to me

00:45:07.540 this is

00:45:07.940 great

00:45:08.260 because

00:45:08.620 finally

00:45:09.120 conservatives

00:45:09.960 fought back

00:45:11.120 and the

00:45:12.020 station group

00:45:12.620 owners

00:45:13.060 who are

00:45:13.980 not

00:45:14.460 coastal

00:45:15.200 elites

00:45:15.740 I mean

00:45:16.460 they represent

00:45:18.220 and air

00:45:18.880 to people

00:45:19.640 who are

00:45:19.940 not

00:45:20.180 coastal

00:45:20.660 elites

00:45:21.180 they're

00:45:21.840 not on

00:45:22.800 Bob

00:45:24.280 Iger's 0.78

00:45:24.920 yacht

00:45:25.320 they're

00:45:26.160 not in

00:45:27.400 Beverly

00:45:28.100 Hills

00:45:28.560 being controlled

00:45:29.420 by

00:45:29.760 celebrities

00:45:30.800 they're

00:45:31.760 across

00:45:32.520 flyover

00:45:33.360 country

00:45:33.780 and those

00:45:34.780 are their

00:45:35.240 audiences

00:45:35.860 and constituents

00:45:36.540 who are

00:45:37.600 complaining

00:45:38.260 about Jimmy

00:45:39.060 Kimmel

00:45:39.360 and up

00:45:40.240 until now

00:45:40.780 they just

00:45:41.240 had to

00:45:41.540 take it

00:45:42.060 they just

00:45:42.960 had to

00:45:43.300 swallow

00:45:43.820 his BS

00:45:44.620 and pretend

00:45:45.600 there was

00:45:46.140 nothing they

00:45:46.620 could do

00:45:46.900 about it

00:45:47.300 and to me

00:45:47.900 that is

00:45:48.260 what

00:45:48.500 Brendan

00:45:49.240 Carr

00:45:49.760 telegraphed

00:45:51.240 to these

00:45:51.680 station groups

00:45:52.360 last week

00:45:52.960 you actually

00:45:54.060 do have

00:45:54.820 power

00:45:55.300 to say

00:45:56.000 no

00:45:56.440 to Disney

00:45:57.360 and that

00:45:58.360 would be

00:45:59.080 the easy

00:46:00.020 way

00:46:00.400 of making

00:46:01.640 your upset

00:46:02.860 clear

00:46:03.380 that would

00:46:04.120 be the easy

00:46:04.580 way

00:46:04.780 of you

00:46:05.380 turning around

00:46:06.740 to Disney

00:46:07.100 and saying

00:46:07.500 we're not

00:46:07.940 airing this

00:46:08.500 crap

00:46:08.900 the hard

00:46:09.800 way

00:46:10.080 he explained

00:46:10.740 yesterday

00:46:11.100 at a public

00:46:11.620 appearance

00:46:12.020 would be

00:46:12.800 people start

00:46:13.460 filing complaints

00:46:14.540 against Disney

00:46:16.020 and the affiliate

00:46:16.780 groups

00:46:17.220 and then the FCC

00:46:18.340 has to look

00:46:19.280 into the complaints

00:46:19.940 and it becomes

00:46:20.660 a more tricky

00:46:21.840 sticky matter

00:46:22.800 we didn't

00:46:23.360 get there

00:46:23.960 yeah

00:46:25.860 before Charlie

00:46:26.780 was assassinated

00:46:27.580 and before

00:46:28.020 Chairman Carr

00:46:28.920 raised this

00:46:29.520 there were two

00:46:30.580 points that

00:46:31.400 are germane

00:46:32.400 but have been

00:46:33.340 a little bit

00:46:33.760 overtaken

00:46:34.300 and overlooked

00:46:34.760 one is

00:46:35.200 I think most

00:46:36.240 sensible people

00:46:36.960 on the left

00:46:37.400 and the right

00:46:37.980 don't think

00:46:39.200 the system

00:46:39.780 where the

00:46:40.520 government

00:46:40.860 the FCC

00:46:41.440 polices

00:46:43.060 these entities

00:46:44.380 is sensible

00:46:45.400 it existed

00:46:46.040 once upon a time

00:46:46.980 when there was

00:46:47.920 so little media

00:46:48.640 that it was

00:46:49.000 important that

00:46:49.440 the public

00:46:49.840 interest be

00:46:50.380 represented

00:46:50.800 but I don't

00:46:51.240 think

00:46:51.500 I don't

00:46:52.200 think

00:46:52.340 I think

00:46:52.600 this is

00:46:52.900 an anachronism

00:46:53.700 that the FCC

00:46:54.360 has oversight

00:46:55.200 over these

00:46:55.960 kind of

00:46:56.220 communications

00:46:56.640 and then

00:46:57.260 second

00:46:57.600 these stations

00:46:59.020 in their

00:46:59.560 news coverage

00:47:00.320 and in their

00:47:01.180 late night

00:47:01.740 comedy shows

00:47:02.320 these networks

00:47:02.980 have been

00:47:03.840 distributing

00:47:04.300 biased programs

00:47:05.340 culturally

00:47:05.960 politically

00:47:06.460 biased programs

00:47:07.260 for a very

00:47:08.140 long time

00:47:08.740 and so

00:47:09.500 while Sinclair

00:47:10.740 and Nexstar

00:47:11.540 chose to act

00:47:12.520 in this instance

00:47:13.760 they could have

00:47:15.340 and many would

00:47:16.100 argue should have

00:47:16.880 long before

00:47:17.580 to use the

00:47:18.460 same economic

00:47:19.200 power

00:47:19.660 the same

00:47:20.060 leverage

00:47:20.420 they have

00:47:20.960 to say

00:47:21.700 why should

00:47:22.480 every late

00:47:23.480 night comedian

00:47:24.180 be hostile

00:47:25.000 to Donald

00:47:25.440 Trump

00:47:25.760 and hostile

00:47:26.300 to Republicans

00:47:26.900 why shouldn't

00:47:28.180 the broadcast

00:47:28.600 networks have

00:47:29.260 something that's

00:47:29.780 either not

00:47:30.640 political

00:47:31.140 or equal

00:47:32.020 opportunity

00:47:32.540 offender

00:47:33.160 the Saturday

00:47:35.100 night live

00:47:35.780 actually has

00:47:37.320 been

00:47:37.760 relatively

00:47:38.840 balanced

00:47:39.300 not equal

00:47:40.120 but they

00:47:40.780 did jokes

00:47:41.660 during the

00:47:41.980 Biden years

00:47:42.500 for instance

00:47:42.960 about Joe

00:47:44.040 Biden

00:47:44.380 these other

00:47:45.380 programs

00:47:45.860 they are just

00:47:46.840 propaganda arms

00:47:47.820 to the Democratic

00:47:48.320 Party

00:47:48.760 and I don't

00:47:49.820 know why

00:47:50.260 Sinclair and

00:47:51.060 Nexstar didn't

00:47:51.600 act sooner

00:47:52.220 but they've

00:47:53.300 acted belatedly

00:47:54.120 in response to

00:47:54.760 one particular

00:47:55.360 thing with the

00:47:56.040 same principle

00:47:56.980 which is

00:47:57.820 they have

00:47:58.420 economic power

00:47:59.260 and they're

00:47:59.760 going to serve

00:48:00.180 as you said

00:48:00.700 their viewers

00:48:01.700 and their

00:48:02.080 constituencies

00:48:02.880 as opposed to

00:48:03.960 the corporate

00:48:04.500 masters in

00:48:05.140 Burbank

00:48:05.560 what a

00:48:06.860 remarkable

00:48:07.360 new model

00:48:08.500 I mean I

00:48:09.200 just don't

00:48:09.560 remember this

00:48:10.020 ever happening

00:48:10.780 Mark

00:48:11.100 I don't

00:48:11.540 remember

00:48:11.900 in all my

00:48:12.720 time in

00:48:13.080 television

00:48:13.380 I don't

00:48:13.720 remember

00:48:14.040 affiliates

00:48:14.460 doing this

00:48:15.000 yeah it's

00:48:16.160 happened

00:48:16.420 I think it's

00:48:17.080 happened with

00:48:17.480 programming

00:48:18.020 I think it

00:48:18.900 may have

00:48:19.180 happened with

00:48:19.680 an episode

00:48:20.720 of Roseanne

00:48:21.580 or of

00:48:22.500 Ellen

00:48:22.880 that some

00:48:24.060 stations in

00:48:24.640 the south

00:48:25.040 didn't want

00:48:25.620 a program

00:48:26.160 that dealt

00:48:26.500 with what

00:48:27.180 we would

00:48:27.400 call sensitive

00:48:28.040 subject matter

00:48:28.680 I think it

00:48:29.400 happened around

00:48:29.940 then

00:48:30.200 but not

00:48:30.900 in this

00:48:31.100 high-profile

00:48:31.720 way

00:48:31.980 and obviously

00:48:33.040 not in a

00:48:33.600 way responding

00:48:34.160 to something

00:48:34.620 that's so

00:48:35.820 emotional

00:48:36.340 for so

00:48:36.960 many

00:48:37.300 I mean I

00:48:39.100 to me

00:48:40.120 look we've

00:48:41.820 said for a

00:48:42.600 long time

00:48:43.080 that one of

00:48:43.680 the greatest

00:48:43.940 gifts President

00:48:44.500 Trump gave

00:48:45.060 the Republican

00:48:45.520 Party was a

00:48:46.480 roadmap on

00:48:47.940 how to

00:48:48.480 fight

00:48:48.820 to me more

00:48:50.620 than anything

00:48:50.960 that would be

00:48:51.380 Trump's lasting

00:48:51.940 legacy

00:48:52.280 he showed

00:48:53.280 Republicans how

00:48:54.080 to fight

00:48:54.520 and what

00:48:55.840 Brandon Carr

00:48:56.740 did last week

00:48:57.460 was telegraph

00:48:58.720 to the affiliates

00:48:59.760 how to

00:49:00.360 fight

00:49:00.640 that they

00:49:01.700 have a

00:49:01.980 permission slip

00:49:02.720 to fight

00:49:03.420 they actually

00:49:03.940 do have a

00:49:04.320 responsibility

00:49:04.820 to fight

00:49:05.880 and they

00:49:07.260 did

00:49:07.540 so to me

00:49:08.840 it wasn't

00:49:09.180 government

00:49:09.460 interference

00:49:10.160 and actually

00:49:10.620 stopping any

00:49:11.660 program from

00:49:12.240 airing it was

00:49:12.940 him saying to

00:49:13.560 these affiliates

00:49:14.220 you're empowered

00:49:15.220 I don't have

00:49:16.260 to do this

00:49:16.800 you actually

00:49:17.920 will not get

00:49:18.560 hassled by me

00:49:19.420 if you exercise

00:49:20.420 the independent

00:49:21.020 judgment you

00:49:21.600 have and that

00:49:22.660 you haven't been

00:49:23.300 exercising in

00:49:24.180 decades

00:49:24.600 you answer to

00:49:25.880 your constituents

00:49:26.580 do it

00:49:27.360 go ahead

00:49:28.020 follow your

00:49:29.260 conscience

00:49:29.680 and they did

00:49:30.960 they did it

00:49:31.680 last week

00:49:32.140 and they did

00:49:32.760 it again

00:49:33.180 even now

00:49:33.880 under what's

00:49:34.720 presumably some

00:49:35.380 pressure from

00:49:35.900 Disney not to

00:49:36.800 and Nextar

00:49:38.220 waited a whole

00:49:38.780 day before they

00:49:39.440 made that

00:49:39.780 announcement

00:49:40.080 so presumably

00:49:40.740 it's been

00:49:41.200 thought through

00:49:41.800 there's more

00:49:42.440 to discuss

00:49:42.860 on this

00:49:43.260 like what

00:49:43.820 should we

00:49:44.060 expect from

00:49:44.480 Kimmel

00:49:44.740 tonight

00:49:45.020 we'll pick

00:49:45.380 it up

00:49:45.600 after this

00:49:45.960 break

00:49:46.200 I've been

00:49:47.520 talking a lot

00:49:48.100 a lot

00:49:48.820 about Riverbend

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00:49:50.120 because I

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00:49:51.100 steaks

00:49:51.520 Riverbend

00:49:52.560 Ranch has

00:49:53.020 taken

00:49:53.320 black Angus

00:49:54.240 beef to a

00:49:54.760 whole new

00:49:55.100 level

00:49:55.400 for the

00:49:56.160 last 35

00:49:56.780 years

00:49:57.240 Riverbend

00:49:57.920 Ranch has

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00:49:58.840 a very

00:49:59.300 elite Angus

00:50:00.100 herd by

00:50:00.780 using ultrasound

00:50:01.500 to select

00:50:02.480 genetically

00:50:02.880 superior cattle

00:50:03.780 with a focus

00:50:04.340 on flavor

00:50:04.820 and tenderness

00:50:05.500 when you

00:50:06.420 purchase from

00:50:06.960 Riverbend

00:50:07.380 Ranch

00:50:07.680 you're not

00:50:08.340 only supporting

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00:50:09.400 cowboys

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00:50:10.720 and their

00:50:10.920 families

00:50:11.300 who work

00:50:11.680 on the

00:50:11.920 ranch

00:50:12.200 you're also

00:50:13.140 supporting

00:50:13.520 over 260

00:50:14.640 other US

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00:50:15.880 and the

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00:50:17.760 who work

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00:50:18.640 it is

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00:50:20.480 it's

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00:50:21.840 it's

00:50:22.480 processed

00:50:22.840 in the

00:50:23.160 USA

00:50:23.480 it is

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00:50:24.780 is aged

00:50:25.320 to perfection

00:50:26.140 for 21

00:50:26.760 days

00:50:27.120 then shipped

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00:50:28.680 to your

00:50:28.980 home

00:50:29.220 this is

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00:50:31.320 beef

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00:50:42.160 we absolutely

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00:50:48.980 it's more

00:50:49.660 important

00:50:50.100 now than

00:50:50.780 ever

00:50:51.080 to cower

00:50:51.940 to hide

00:50:52.840 to go

00:50:53.560 silent

00:50:54.060 is not

00:50:54.660 the answer

00:50:55.240 and all

00:50:56.000 I can tell

00:50:56.500 you is

00:50:56.920 there is

00:50:57.240 no fucking

00:50:58.300 way I am

00:50:59.120 canceling

00:50:59.660 one stop

00:51:00.420 on this

00:51:00.900 tour

00:51:01.180 not one

00:51:04.700 stop

00:51:05.040 I'm going

00:51:05.800 I'm going

00:51:06.780 to stand

00:51:07.240 on these

00:51:07.620 stages

00:51:07.980 and I'm

00:51:08.500 going to

00:51:09.060 say all

00:51:09.800 the things

00:51:10.220 that we

00:51:10.500 say all

00:51:10.980 the time

00:51:11.380 on this

00:51:11.680 show

00:51:11.960 we're going

00:51:12.300 to make

00:51:12.400 it safe

00:51:12.600 for me

00:51:12.920 we're going

00:51:13.260 to make

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00:51:13.660 for my

00:51:13.980 team

00:51:14.300 and my

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00:51:15.740 we're going

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00:51:20.020 which is

00:51:20.540 say what's

00:51:21.100 true and

00:51:21.600 what's real

00:51:22.120 to honor

00:51:23.420 him

00:51:23.700 I really

00:51:25.660 now more

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00:51:26.520 would love

00:51:26.960 to see you

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00:51:30.640 I need

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00:52:20.860 Mark

00:52:21.380 welcome back

00:52:21.920 um

00:52:22.880 all right

00:52:23.720 so we were on

00:52:24.100 the subject

00:52:24.400 of Kimmel

00:52:25.020 so tonight

00:52:26.120 he goes back

00:52:27.420 on the air

00:52:27.800 and even though

00:52:28.320 I think it's

00:52:28.700 called

00:52:28.860 Jimmy Kimmel

00:52:29.340 live

00:52:29.680 it's not

00:52:30.620 live

00:52:31.000 he pre-tapes

00:52:32.940 it

00:52:33.180 and so

00:52:34.260 because at

00:52:35.240 first I was

00:52:35.580 thinking maybe

00:52:36.080 he's going to

00:52:36.600 do something

00:52:37.140 like dramatic

00:52:37.820 you know

00:52:38.300 like he

00:52:39.220 worked out

00:52:39.720 some statement

00:52:40.300 with Disney

00:52:41.020 that will be

00:52:42.120 somewhat

00:52:42.500 conciliatory

00:52:43.340 to the

00:52:43.840 right

00:52:44.340 but then

00:52:45.420 when he

00:52:45.660 gets in

00:52:45.940 front of

00:52:46.100 the cameras

00:52:46.520 he'll

00:52:46.760 throw it

00:52:47.900 out

00:52:48.220 and you

00:52:48.840 know

00:52:48.980 say

00:52:49.220 MAGA

00:52:49.940 and all

00:52:50.900 the things

00:52:51.400 but that

00:52:52.000 can't happen

00:52:52.460 because it's

00:52:52.840 pre-taped

00:52:53.320 that's my

00:52:54.160 understanding

00:52:54.500 anyway

00:52:54.840 so what

00:52:55.780 do you

00:52:56.060 expect

00:52:56.340 to hear

00:52:56.600 from him

00:52:57.660 tonight

00:52:58.020 and do

00:52:58.480 you think

00:52:58.840 it will

00:52:59.180 include

00:52:59.640 an

00:53:00.020 apology

00:53:00.620 apology

00:53:05.620 or apology

00:53:06.380 like

00:53:06.900 that it

00:53:07.400 will

00:53:07.520 wait

00:53:07.720 can you

00:53:07.880 start

00:53:08.060 again

00:53:08.240 we missed

00:53:08.600 the top

00:53:08.960 of your

00:53:09.220 statement

00:53:09.540 yeah

00:53:10.340 my guess

00:53:11.180 is that

00:53:11.880 if you

00:53:12.260 take the

00:53:12.580 part that

00:53:12.900 will be

00:53:13.220 either

00:53:13.500 an

00:53:13.640 apology

00:53:14.100 or apology

00:53:14.880 like

00:53:15.420 that it

00:53:16.260 will be

00:53:16.520 quite

00:53:16.800 thoughtful

00:53:17.280 that it

00:53:17.720 will

00:53:17.860 represent

00:53:18.600 an

00:53:19.100 acknowledgement

00:53:19.580 that he

00:53:19.880 was

00:53:20.040 factually

00:53:20.540 wrong

00:53:20.940 and that

00:53:21.520 what his

00:53:21.960 words hurt

00:53:22.400 people

00:53:22.740 but then

00:53:23.680 just as a

00:53:24.560 student

00:53:24.780 of jimmy

00:53:25.140 kimmel

00:53:25.460 and the

00:53:25.660 walt disney

00:53:26.100 company

00:53:26.460 then i

00:53:27.240 think he'll

00:53:27.560 lay into

00:53:27.980 maga

00:53:28.420 would be

00:53:29.300 my guess

00:53:29.960 yes i

00:53:32.120 don't think

00:53:33.040 it will be

00:53:33.520 an apology

00:53:34.200 light i

00:53:34.900 think he's

00:53:35.340 going to

00:53:36.080 maintain the

00:53:37.300 position that

00:53:37.920 he never

00:53:38.420 said the

00:53:39.460 guy was

00:53:39.900 maga

00:53:40.380 you know

00:53:41.100 that people

00:53:41.640 misinterpreted

00:53:42.980 right that

00:53:43.980 i don't know

00:53:45.080 if he'll use

00:53:45.480 the word

00:53:45.900 twisted

00:53:46.500 his words

00:53:47.680 but i

00:53:48.060 i do think

00:53:48.940 he's going

00:53:49.360 to sort

00:53:49.680 of say

00:53:50.020 like i'm

00:53:51.880 sorry that

00:53:52.900 we didn't

00:53:53.520 bring the

00:53:53.820 temperature

00:53:54.100 down

00:53:54.320 or we

00:53:54.520 should

00:53:54.660 all

00:53:55.200 bring

00:53:55.520 the

00:53:55.700 temperature

00:53:55.960 down

00:53:56.160 i

00:53:56.300 predict

00:53:56.860 100

00:53:57.340 i

00:53:57.840 predict

00:53:58.540 both

00:53:58.840 sides

00:53:59.140 is

00:53:59.300 100

00:54:00.540 yeah i

00:54:02.820 agree with

00:54:03.120 that but

00:54:03.420 i i just

00:54:04.400 again bob

00:54:05.040 auger used

00:54:05.500 to be my

00:54:05.880 boss i

00:54:06.460 don't think

00:54:06.800 bob would

00:54:07.180 put him

00:54:07.420 back on

00:54:07.780 the air

00:54:08.180 unless he

00:54:09.220 apologized

00:54:09.640 for his

00:54:10.240 words again

00:54:10.780 maybe he

00:54:11.160 won't say

00:54:11.460 i'm sorry

00:54:11.980 but i

00:54:12.720 think he

00:54:12.980 might say

00:54:13.380 i shouldn't

00:54:13.860 have said

00:54:14.180 that and

00:54:14.560 and and

00:54:15.140 and there

00:54:15.500 was no

00:54:15.780 evidence of

00:54:16.380 of what

00:54:16.960 i said

00:54:17.340 that's my

00:54:17.820 prediction

00:54:18.220 just because

00:54:19.160 because because

00:54:20.000 because you

00:54:21.280 know we

00:54:21.740 still don't

00:54:23.520 made the

00:54:23.920 decision to

00:54:24.360 pull him

00:54:24.560 off the

00:54:24.820 air

00:54:24.980 the statement

00:54:25.780 that they

00:54:26.120 belatedly put

00:54:26.840 out in

00:54:27.380 announcing his

00:54:27.940 return said

00:54:29.460 i forget the

00:54:30.600 exact characterization

00:54:31.360 but but it

00:54:32.420 was mildly

00:54:33.380 rebuking the 0.96

00:54:34.100 language and

00:54:35.260 i think

00:54:35.640 they're really

00:54:36.680 courting disaster

00:54:37.720 if they put him

00:54:38.740 back on the

00:54:39.240 air and he

00:54:39.860 doesn't do

00:54:40.740 more than just

00:54:41.480 say everybody

00:54:42.060 needs to bring

00:54:42.700 the temperature

00:54:43.160 down i

00:54:43.500 really do

00:54:43.840 think he's

00:54:44.680 going to have

00:54:44.980 to take some

00:54:45.400 responsibility for

00:54:46.140 his words and

00:54:46.600 again maybe i'll

00:54:47.580 be wrong but i

00:54:48.080 predict he will

00:54:48.680 so now who

00:54:51.000 is this a win

00:54:51.660 for because

00:54:52.480 we kind of

00:54:53.780 touched on this

00:54:54.180 before the

00:54:54.480 break but this

00:54:55.040 is a different

00:54:55.540 way of framing

00:54:56.280 it because the

00:54:57.440 left was enjoying

00:54:58.280 his martyrdom

00:54:58.960 they they didn't

00:55:00.900 want him off the

00:55:01.480 air but they

00:55:02.080 were enjoying his

00:55:02.800 martyrdom and

00:55:03.880 the right who

00:55:04.920 wanted him off the

00:55:05.680 air was starting

00:55:07.360 to wonder whether

00:55:08.340 they should have

00:55:09.500 just kept their

00:55:09.940 mouths shut or

00:55:10.720 brendan carr should

00:55:11.440 have kept his

00:55:11.840 mouth shut and

00:55:12.940 let disney do its

00:55:13.880 thing and pull him 0.99

00:55:14.660 off the air on its

00:55:15.340 own on its own but

00:55:16.420 i would suggest to

00:55:17.340 you i don't know

00:55:18.820 i mean disney was

00:55:20.100 getting tons of

00:55:20.840 calls i know

00:55:21.500 that like i'm

00:55:22.180 not sure exactly

00:55:22.880 what disney would

00:55:23.500 have done had the

00:55:24.120 affiliates not said

00:55:25.420 we're not airing

00:55:26.140 him but i do think

00:55:27.280 there was enough

00:55:27.620 pressure to make

00:55:28.120 them do it

00:55:28.460 privately anyway i'm

00:55:30.000 not sure so is

00:55:31.520 this a is this a

00:55:32.540 loss in some way for

00:55:33.780 those who really just

00:55:34.560 wanted jimmy kimmel to

00:55:35.460 be a martyr they

00:55:36.160 were actually comparing

00:55:37.420 the loss of his show

00:55:38.400 to the loss of charlie

00:55:39.460 kirk on the right

00:55:40.220 it's certainly got a

00:55:41.440 lot more airtime and

00:55:42.700 ink in the papers uh

00:55:45.540 so there's got to be

00:55:46.360 some sense of regret

00:55:47.180 over there that they

00:55:47.920 no longer get to use

00:55:48.980 him as their martyr

00:55:49.840 yeah i mean you

00:55:51.220 framed it well um

00:55:52.700 you know there's

00:55:54.040 wins winning by

00:55:55.160 losing i i i am more

00:55:57.500 in the ted cruz

00:55:58.500 school of the

00:55:59.640 chairman uh i i think

00:56:02.080 he's been a fascinating

00:56:03.200 figure over there and

00:56:04.200 i think uh using the

00:56:05.700 power of the fcc to

00:56:07.420 create a more balance

00:56:09.120 in the public airwaves i

00:56:10.100 think has been been

00:56:11.260 good but i'm not a fan

00:56:12.820 of what he did in this

00:56:13.640 case and the language

00:56:14.340 he used like like

00:56:15.200 senator cruz like the

00:56:16.320 wall street journal

00:56:17.100 editorial board um i

00:56:19.700 think it's i think it

00:56:20.780 is whether it is a

00:56:22.400 long-term win for one

00:56:23.680 side or the other i

00:56:24.400 think will depend to a

00:56:25.600 large extent on how

00:56:27.480 his return then plays

00:56:29.000 out does the show

00:56:29.920 survive and what are

00:56:32.100 the lessons that people

00:56:33.260 draw from it and that's

00:56:35.100 two categories one is

00:56:35.980 who raises more money

00:56:37.280 off of it who builds

00:56:38.520 more enthusiasm in our

00:56:40.160 politics and for the

00:56:40.960 midterms but then what

00:56:42.200 are real people think

00:56:43.080 about it the casual

00:56:44.040 voter the people who

00:56:44.940 aren't immersed in

00:56:46.220 every minute of this

00:56:47.120 how do they feel

00:56:48.320 about the lessons of

00:56:49.920 this and i think it's

00:56:51.180 far too soon we'll have

00:56:52.060 to see how kimmel

00:56:52.820 returns and how long

00:56:54.120 he stays on the air

00:56:54.980 this this is an

00:56:56.960 interesting list so car

00:56:59.980 was at an event

00:57:00.740 yesterday and was asked

00:57:02.240 about all this before

00:57:03.060 we had the news that

00:57:03.920 they were bringing

00:57:04.460 kimmel back and he

00:57:05.780 went into a list of

00:57:08.460 what the fcc has been

00:57:09.500 doing under joe biden

00:57:11.720 and in recent years and

00:57:13.300 i'm just going to tick

00:57:14.080 off a couple of things

00:57:15.040 he said in 2018 a

00:57:17.680 dozen democrat

00:57:18.600 senators including

00:57:20.040 uh cantwell markey

00:57:21.660 blumenthal sander

00:57:22.600 sanders and wyden

00:57:23.640 wrote the fcc and

00:57:25.300 called on the agency

00:57:26.100 to investigate sinclair

00:57:27.860 for a newsroom decision

00:57:29.540 and to take action up

00:57:30.740 to and including

00:57:31.200 license revocation so

00:57:32.320 you've got a dozen

00:57:33.820 democratic senators under

00:57:35.120 the trump administration

00:57:35.980 time writing the fcc and

00:57:38.120 demanding them to

00:57:38.840 investigate sinclair for

00:57:40.320 its editorial bent okay

00:57:42.020 and which was

00:57:42.460 conservative i remember

00:57:43.640 this no problem the

00:57:45.960 left had no problem

00:57:47.120 whatsoever with

00:57:48.420 democrats pressuring the

00:57:49.560 fcc to pressure sinclair

00:57:51.600 into stopping its

00:57:52.640 programming choices

00:57:53.420 during the biden years

00:57:54.640 democrats at the fcc

00:57:55.700 took the unprecedented

00:57:56.840 step of not renewing

00:57:58.960 dozens of routine

00:58:00.920 sinclair license

00:58:02.500 renewals they stopped

00:58:04.000 them from getting their

00:58:04.900 license which means they

00:58:06.100 cannot broadcast okay no

00:58:07.980 problem democrats all

00:58:09.460 these same people

00:58:10.060 preaching free speech

00:58:11.300 loved it they were

00:58:12.560 totally in support in

00:58:13.720 2023 the fcc determined

00:58:15.500 it would be in the

00:58:16.220 public interest to move

00:58:17.500 forward with a petition

00:58:18.280 that sought to revoke a

00:58:19.540 local fox broadcast tv

00:58:20.980 station's license because

00:58:22.840 of content that aired on

00:58:24.100 fox news a cable channel

00:58:25.520 which the fcc does not

00:58:27.160 regulate they don't

00:58:28.200 regulate social media

00:58:29.200 they don't regulate any

00:58:30.420 cable channels they only

00:58:31.380 regulate broadcast and

00:58:33.440 they determined fcc in

00:58:35.700 2023 under biden it

00:58:37.380 would be in the public

00:58:37.880 interest to move forward

00:58:39.360 with a petition seeking

00:58:40.400 to revoke a local fox

00:58:42.280 broadcast tv station's

00:58:43.520 license because of

00:58:44.780 content on fox news

00:58:46.980 cable in 2021 democrats

00:58:49.220 in congress launched a

00:58:50.160 campaign to pressure

00:58:50.840 cable companies to drop

00:58:52.560 fox to drop newsmax to

00:58:55.160 drop oan on the grounds

00:58:57.260 that they were quote

00:58:58.160 right wing that's

00:58:59.700 democrats in congress

00:59:01.400 trying to pressure cable

00:59:03.120 companies to drop fox oan

00:59:05.860 and newsmax from their

00:59:07.280 lineups and it worked

00:59:09.280 cable companies did drop

00:59:10.700 some of them two

00:59:12.060 democratic members of

00:59:12.920 congress sent letters to

00:59:14.600 direct tv this is my own

00:59:16.560 research and other

00:59:17.900 providers questioning their

00:59:19.140 carriage of channels that

00:59:20.180 spread misinformation

00:59:21.440 including oan direct tv

00:59:24.800 dropped oan and newsmax in

00:59:27.200 response democratic members

00:59:29.000 of congress sent letters to

00:59:30.720 direct tv urging them to

00:59:32.200 drop oan and newsmax and

00:59:33.960 they did it this is the same

00:59:35.860 side now grasping its pearls

00:59:38.520 about any democratic

00:59:39.700 interference in programming

00:59:41.640 decisions in 2021 democratic

00:59:43.560 lawmakers pressured the

00:59:44.580 fcc to block the sale of a

00:59:46.560 spanish language radio

00:59:47.580 station in south florida to

00:59:49.300 what they viewed as a

00:59:50.200 conservative buyer arguing

00:59:52.020 that doing so would matter

00:59:53.120 to their odds in the 2022

00:59:54.740 midterms the sale did not go

00:59:57.040 through this is dems

00:59:58.520 pressuring the fcc to act in

01:00:00.480 a way that was beneficial to

01:00:01.560 them and indeed they got their

01:00:03.220 way during the biden years

01:00:04.580 democrats inside the

01:00:05.580 administration engaged in a

01:00:06.740 multi-month campaign to

01:00:08.180 pressure social media

01:00:09.160 companies into censoring

01:00:10.200 political speech in too many

01:00:11.600 cases it worked we all know

01:00:12.840 that's true and in 2021 a

01:00:14.960 democrat prosecutor in

01:00:16.080 baltimore filed a formal

01:00:17.140 complaint asking the fcc to

01:00:19.060 censor a broadcast tv

01:00:20.100 stations newsroom for their

01:00:21.180 coverage of her allegedly

01:00:22.700 unlawful conduct this is all

01:00:24.040 democrats exerting

01:00:25.340 government influence to get

01:00:26.820 programming the way they

01:00:27.980 wanted either through the fcc

01:00:29.520 or directly on cable

01:00:31.280 companies or other broadcasters

01:00:33.520 they have zero problem with

01:00:36.860 involving the government in

01:00:38.220 censoring speech including the

01:00:40.220 fcc the only thing that

01:00:42.160 changed here under brendan car

01:00:44.280 was he actually tried to use it

01:00:47.660 for republicans and without

01:00:49.540 actually doing anything just

01:00:51.120 with his words saying we can do

01:00:52.620 this the hard way or we can do

01:00:53.700 this the easy way but there is a

01:00:55.680 public interest requirement for

01:00:57.960 affiliates airing this content

01:01:00.180 that's all he did in response to

01:01:02.740 that entire nightmare of lists i

01:01:04.940 just went through there is no

01:01:06.760 equivalence between the left and

01:01:09.000 the right on this issue which is

01:01:10.440 why i remain in the place of good

01:01:12.520 for brendan car i'm 110 on his

01:01:15.580 side

01:01:15.860 well he's done other stuff and

01:01:18.260 again i'm generally against the

01:01:19.660 government for whatever party of

01:01:21.420 doing it but here's of course we

01:01:22.800 both are the question is tactics

01:01:24.540 in putting a stop to it yeah but

01:01:26.380 here's the asymmetry that i think

01:01:27.760 matters to a ton of people and i

01:01:29.120 hear this on two way all the

01:01:30.140 time both sides are hypocrites

01:01:32.800 both sides want to use the

01:01:34.140 government for their own

01:01:35.080 ideology the difference is the

01:01:37.680 so-called balanced fair media is

01:01:40.320 completely one-sided and so you

01:01:42.280 look at the coverage of two of our

01:01:44.740 favorite media reporters brian

01:01:46.180 stelter and oliver darcy their

01:01:48.220 coverage of that litany of

01:01:49.580 democratic moves that you read is

01:01:51.720 go you go great get those evil

01:01:54.460 sinclair people off the air take

01:01:56.280 away their licenses their

01:01:58.280 coverage of of what car has done is

01:02:00.760 the exact opposite it's oh my

01:02:02.760 goodness the specter of big

01:02:03.900 government so the problem for so

01:02:05.940 many people and it's ironic because

01:02:07.740 of course it involves media

01:02:08.780 reporters who are supposed to be the

01:02:10.260 fairest reporters the irony is and

01:02:12.640 the unfairness and the imbalance is

01:02:14.340 when the left does it it's cheered on

01:02:16.720 by the so-called objective media when

01:02:18.700 the right does it it's seen as

01:02:19.920 villainous and that imbalance

01:02:21.840 matters because that that's part of

01:02:24.920 what shapes the public dialogue about

01:02:26.620 these similar things that are done

01:02:30.160 with different purposes and get

01:02:31.420 different coverage to me it's just

01:02:34.640 like the law fair they won't stop

01:02:37.720 unless we give them a taste of their

01:02:39.780 own medicine taking the high road has

01:02:43.380 not worked it hasn't stopped them and

01:02:46.340 it won't stop them I'm sorry but they

01:02:48.840 need to suffer the consequences of

01:02:51.080 their own behavior in order for them

01:02:53.400 to stop it it's a matter of tactics

01:02:55.820 and that's why I don't want to indict

01:02:58.160 anybody who hasn't committed a crime

01:02:59.500 but I'm perfectly fine kicking the

01:03:01.120 tires of Letitia James's mortgage 1.00

01:03:02.720 practices Adam shifts as well Lisa

01:03:05.200 cooks as well totally in favor of it

01:03:07.500 by the way there's a news report that

01:03:09.000 Comey is about to get charged we'll

01:03:11.640 see whether that's true for his role in

01:03:14.200 the whole Russiagate etc so we'll see

01:03:17.120 but this is a similar thing what I

01:03:19.500 don't think Kimmel necessarily would

01:03:22.060 have been pulled off the air had

01:03:23.380 Brendan Carr not rattled the cage a bit

01:03:25.180 and they needed to feel that like so

01:03:28.620 now great we have them all on record

01:03:30.640 that they're in favor of free speech

01:03:32.200 and they don't want government

01:03:33.540 interference great that's a win we've

01:03:36.220 got that now in our pocket and that's

01:03:38.460 something it's something more than we

01:03:40.120 had five days ago to go into the next

01:03:43.180 administration the one after that

01:03:44.480 one of them eventually is going to be

01:03:45.760 Democrat I'll say some of the smartest

01:03:48.540 and most principled people I know

01:03:50.460 including some former Democrats agree

01:03:52.780 wholeheartedly with you that this is

01:03:54.780 the only solution to root out decades of

01:03:58.420 injustice and I hear the point of view

01:04:01.840 from very smart principled people I worry

01:04:04.780 about what it means for the country

01:04:06.220 because because then the cycle doesn't

01:04:08.560 end but I get it and and I see it

01:04:11.380 manifested every day I think the cycle

01:04:13.140 does end that's why you're not in favor

01:04:14.580 of the tactic because you think the

01:04:15.720 cycle won't end I think the cycle will

01:04:17.600 end and the only way to end it is by

01:04:19.560 making them suffer yeah I just I I would

01:04:23.520 prefer that they pay a price and that

01:04:25.560 they get their comeuppance through

01:04:27.280 different tactics in some cases but like

01:04:29.300 I said I hear what you're saying all

01:04:31.040 the time I just it the the the only way

01:04:35.280 the cycle ends is if people start to

01:04:37.760 play by rules that are equal and that

01:04:39.800 includes the press and unfortunately I

01:04:41.920 just don't think this is going to have

01:04:43.060 that effect well we'll see I think this

01:04:46.100 is a Republican win I really do I

01:04:48.520 applaud Nexstar I applaud Sinclair

01:04:51.020 they've got stones it's great what

01:04:53.740 they're doing and and I just don't

01:04:56.440 remember ever seeing Republicans stand

01:04:57.880 up like this in this way before here on

01:05:00.660 the other hand is your friend Joe

01:05:02.040 Scarborough with the most inane empty

01:05:05.920 absurd warning that I think I've ever

01:05:09.160 heard from a leftist here it is top 22

01:05:11.020 well and what Republicans did what some

01:05:14.700 Republicans did seem to understand Ted

01:05:16.840 Cruz certainly understood it that yes

01:05:18.460 right now this is being used against

01:05:20.460 speech that Republicans don't like but

01:05:23.160 Willie Republicans aren't going to be in 0.85

01:05:25.300 the White House forever so they

01:05:27.840 understood Ted Ted Cruz warned about it

01:05:31.100 others warned about it what we're doing to

01:05:34.160 them right now they will do to us when a

01:05:37.660 Democrat this is short-sighted it makes

01:05:41.000 no sense oh my god acting like the world

01:05:46.040 began last Wednesday I mean that's truly

01:05:49.220 just a blatant excuse me failure to

01:05:52.700 acknowledge how we got here well I know

01:05:57.960 because Joe's my friend I've talked to

01:05:59.180 me he knows how we got here I wish he I

01:06:01.180 wish he'd given the history but he knows

01:06:03.360 how we got here and and he he like so

01:06:06.080 many others again is so guided by his

01:06:09.100 view of Trump that it just it just

01:06:11.360 divides the country there's a there's a

01:06:14.280 there's a limit of what some people can

01:06:16.240 and will say when they're guided by

01:06:18.180 Trump and their feelings about the

01:06:19.700 president what he's done you've got one

01:06:23.060 of the more reasonable Democrats in

01:06:26.020 quotes reasonable Democrats David Axelrod

01:06:28.440 of course a former Obama guy who sees the

01:06:31.800 Jimmy Kimmel saga very differently than I

01:06:33.880 do I'll say that for the record here's

01:06:35.640 what he is saying this is CNN last night

01:06:38.280 top 23 good for Jimmy Kimmel right he

01:06:42.640 kept his silence and he kept his principles

01:06:45.580 and he said I'm not going to homogenize my

01:06:49.180 words I think he what he said he probably

01:06:52.320 could have said better I don't think he

01:06:54.220 lied or meant to imply what his what the

01:06:58.780 detractors said okay kept his principles by

01:07:04.000 not apologizing for a clear lie Mark

01:07:07.140 yeah again David Axelrod has Trump

01:07:10.740 derangement syndrome and and he may be

01:07:13.780 proven wrong if I'm if my predictions

01:07:15.320 right and Kimmel does apologize tonight

01:07:16.940 but again they they they have spent pre

01:07:22.520 assassination of Charlie they spent a

01:07:25.140 decade as apologists for anyone who did

01:07:29.400 something negative to Donald Trump that's

01:07:31.300 just their orientation that's their

01:07:32.740 that's their reflex the fact that they

01:07:35.260 didn't drop the reflex after a young man

01:07:37.700 was assassinated is testament to the 0.95

01:07:40.120 strength of Trump derangement syndrome and

01:07:42.320 their orientation remains the same if

01:07:44.800 Trump's for it they're against it if

01:07:46.540 Trump's some like someone that person

01:07:48.100 must be a bad person if someone goes on

01:07:50.120 TV and lies on behalf of Donald Trump I

01:07:52.220 mean this is this is a group of people

01:07:54.180 who continue to say that Donald Trump

01:07:56.120 said there were good people on both

01:07:57.360 sides referring to white supremacists

01:07:59.480 it's a group of people continue to say

01:08:01.260 Jim Crow on steroids it's a group of 1.00

01:08:03.340 people continue to believe anything that

01:08:06.160 General Kelly would say about Donald

01:08:08.360 Trump so I I had hoped for about 20

01:08:11.520 minutes that their spell would be broken

01:08:13.320 by the assassination of a 31 year old man

01:08:16.440 with a pure heart but no it's the same

01:08:19.500 orientation so I get the outrage about it

01:08:22.180 and the new examples are interesting from

01:08:24.540 a human point of view but it's the same

01:08:26.540 old story we were a decade into it it's

01:08:29.120 the same old story if Donald someone

01:08:31.040 attacks Donald Trump regardless of

01:08:33.200 whether they do it truthfully or not

01:08:34.640 they're a hero to the left

01:08:36.300 mm-hmm well you're so right because this

01:08:38.880 is all this scandal doesn't stand

01:08:40.740 independently it's actually linked to

01:08:42.500 Charlie Kirk's assassination because

01:08:43.940 that's what Kimmel was commenting on

01:08:46.120 that's one of the reasons why tempers were

01:08:47.940 so flared and he tried to blame this

01:08:50.360 murder on MAGA which was what was so

01:08:52.820 incendiary and deeply wrong and

01:08:54.920 immoral about his comments but it was

01:08:57.020 also bigger because the left wanted to

01:09:00.280 use it to pivot away from Charlie's

01:09:02.440 assassination and gallingly to try to

01:09:05.160 make themselves look like the bigger

01:09:07.280 victims of events of the past couple of

01:09:09.720 weeks versus the right half of the

01:09:12.000 country and Charlie's fans and friends I

01:09:14.320 totally agree and and to me the biggest

01:09:16.020 example so far was a Charlie's name was

01:09:18.740 not uttered at the Emmys I just I just I

01:09:22.220 still can't believe it I still cannot

01:09:24.160 believe that they did not honor him at

01:09:26.440 the Emmys it's just is a staggering to me

01:09:29.140 and and that's of a piece with what you

01:09:31.580 showed David Axelrod saying it's of a

01:09:33.260 piece with ABC not firing Kimmel and ABC

01:09:37.860 bringing him back because they just they

01:09:40.380 don't have appreciation for what this

01:09:42.100 means they just don't know they don't

01:09:44.160 understand and they don't want to

01:09:45.700 understand the right half of the

01:09:47.140 country which is the majority you know

01:09:49.440 check the polls they don't they don't

01:09:52.100 want to understand again that's why it's

01:09:53.720 better to have affiliates and their

01:09:55.640 ownership groups making these decisions

01:09:57.720 because they actually do have a better

01:09:59.140 understanding of so-called flyover

01:10:00.560 country and what the standards of

01:10:02.260 decency are what what you know this

01:10:04.640 public interest actually looks like here

01:10:07.880 is this tick tocker his name is Isaiah L

01:10:09.880 Carter and he gets it just about as

01:10:12.160 right as anybody I've heard it's not 28

01:10:14.120 you think because you yell pretty

01:10:20.300 fucking loud about some late night talk 0.90

01:10:22.480 show host you think that's supposed to

01:10:23.880 affect you think that's supposed to win

01:10:26.420 hearts and minds after we saw you

01:10:29.720 after we saw what you celebrated the

01:10:33.900 shedding of innocent blood and now you

01:10:37.020 want to pretend like nobody now you want

01:10:38.980 to pretend like nobody sees you God sees

01:10:42.080 you you have literally operated at the

01:10:45.420 privilege of the state you have operated

01:10:49.940 with with you have operated with the

01:10:53.440 impunity that being on the side of all

01:10:58.200 of the institutions and being on the side

01:11:02.060 of the state gets you you have enjoyed

01:11:07.200 that privilege and now that privilege is

01:11:09.240 gone and and you're losing you lost the

01:11:12.520 culture war there's a body involved now

01:11:15.620 you don't get to act sanctimonious y'all

01:11:20.400 don't get to act sanctimonious anymore

01:11:22.240 you got a 31 year old man killed

01:11:25.920 all right here's what I I love about that

01:11:29.340 everything but also um Isaiah and others

01:11:34.900 like him who are you know maybe recent

01:11:38.020 Charlie fans really coming to like the

01:11:39.980 wisdom of Charlie Kirk by watching the

01:11:41.540 videos and so on are now experiencing what

01:11:44.120 it's like to be a conservative right like

01:11:46.740 even your wins are short-lived and will bit

01:11:51.660 will be completely misrepresented by the media

01:11:53.920 you know Jimmy Kimmel's gonna get a hero's

01:11:55.980 welcome tonight all the media will

01:11:57.920 celebrate whatever he says and the left

01:12:01.860 will turn this around like oh my god it's

01:12:04.100 part of Trump's authoritarianism and I do

01:12:06.900 think these new converts to conservatism to

01:12:10.120 Charlie Kirk ism whatever it is that's

01:12:11.960 happening right now it's good that they're

01:12:14.760 getting a dose of what it's like to be one

01:12:16.140 of us because even to have a minor victory

01:12:18.680 it for us is like a big W but it too will be

01:12:22.240 shat upon it will be minimized it will be

01:12:24.680 reduced to you know a nub because that's

01:12:27.320 what the left wants and the left controls

01:12:29.160 media and Hollywood and all the institutions

01:12:32.500 that are going to drive narrative around

01:12:33.880 this

01:12:34.180 well again it's a tragedy that this is what

01:12:39.580 it would take for some number of people to

01:12:41.520 see the light but that's what's happening

01:12:44.120 it's it's it's it's a it's a testament to the

01:12:49.920 Democratic Party's determination to maintain

01:12:53.260 the exact orientation they had before Charlie

01:12:55.560 was killed and the media's desire to not learn

01:13:00.220 anything now the media continues to not own

01:13:03.360 up to the attempted cover-up of Joe Biden's

01:13:05.660 cognitive decline and on next up we hear from a

01:13:08.720 woman from the Chicago area who draws a through

01:13:12.440 line between those two events that no consciousness

01:13:15.620 raising no acknowledgement of professional

01:13:17.420 misconduct after the Biden acuity cover-up was

01:13:20.780 exposed for the world to see in in the sharpest

01:13:23.560 relief possible with the debate and now no

01:13:27.200 acknowledgement that the that the nature of

01:13:30.260 how people like Charlie Kirk and and and there's

01:13:32.880 no one really was like him but conservatives who who

01:13:36.080 worked to elect Donald Trump their treatment by the

01:13:38.780 press continues with barely a pause even though he was

01:13:43.220 assassinated because they do not want their consciousness

01:13:46.820 raised but because of tick-tock because of Instagram

01:13:49.300 because of of YouTube more people will see the truth and

01:13:54.120 have a place to go to hear their their instincts validated I

01:13:59.360 don't know what the numbers will be but it ain't nothing it is

01:14:02.000 some number of people because of the horror of what happened

01:14:05.300 and and the reaction just playing right back to type there

01:14:09.260 there are problems on the right and and and and I get why

01:14:13.040 some people on the left say this is not the time to change we're

01:14:16.680 still at battle stations but for so many this is just a

01:14:20.680 watershed moment and a moment in which the asymmetry in the

01:14:24.480 press coverage is just it's too much for some people to bear

01:14:27.500 mm-hmm I do want to show this wasn't sure where I'd bring it up

01:14:31.720 but this is a good place because speaking of learning to fight and

01:14:35.440 the right understanding like the stakes are extremely high and

01:14:38.500 we're just we're just not gonna allow it we're just not gonna

01:14:40.840 allow the bastardization of Charlie's memory we are not gonna

01:14:44.120 allow this thing to be blamed on MAGA when we know who shot

01:14:49.340 Charlie Kirk and and what the motives were I mean we know the

01:14:53.120 uniform public statements that have been made at least by the

01:14:57.000 authorities in charge and his family last night Michael Knowles

01:15:04.360 spoke for Charlie in Minnesota at one of these campus events

01:15:08.620 which was great yours truly will be doing it tomorrow night in

01:15:12.800 Virginia and Charlie and I were supposed to do that together and

01:15:16.480 I'm still going so Michael Knowles shows up and I think Michael he

01:15:21.660 was on the show yesterday you know didn't know exactly what to

01:15:24.680 expect but was determined to go he's been very brave I mean his

01:15:27.840 whole adult life he's incredibly courageous in his commentary etc so

01:15:32.840 he shows up and outside of the event you have the

01:15:37.080 Trantifa types who are trans transed up and trying to chant 1.00

01:15:42.520 terrible slogans about Charlie etc and you know what happened Mark

01:15:46.660 let's look at it

01:15:48.680 a bunch of counter protesters showed up

01:15:55.680 yes a bunch of regular folks frat boys men women etc showed up and

01:16:15.420 chanted USA USA USA USA over the protesters they were not having it and

01:16:21.340 then on the inside of the event here is what happened

01:16:26.080 it's packed to the rafters with people

01:16:32.340 I mean I don't know how many people were there but it was

01:16:41.060 it was standing room only they showed up in droves to listen to Michael chanting

01:16:45.500 Charlie's name they've just they've had it Mark

01:16:49.420 yeah one of the sentiments most often expressed on Sunday in Arizona was that

01:16:55.100 in his death Charlie's movement will grow even larger and more powerful and I

01:17:00.440 understand the passion that people say that with and it might be true but in but I'm

01:17:05.320 not sure I because because ironically and again paradoxically replacing him is going

01:17:11.040 to be a challenge as talented as Erica is and other people are he's singular but

01:17:15.520 here are two things that I think will definitely be true and you saw that with

01:17:18.620 Michael yesterday one is the number of people dedicated to changing campuses right

01:17:25.700 the ability of conservatives to be on campuses the number of those people will

01:17:29.560 grow and their comfort with going out in public and and fighting for that principle

01:17:35.100 will be much higher people will be more comfortable more protected greater strength

01:17:40.400 in numbers and I think you're going to see on many college campuses including some liberal

01:17:45.280 campuses you're going to see a real change that will apply not just to whatever whatever was

01:17:50.660 included in Charlie's agenda but more broadly I believe that his death one of the monuments to his

01:17:55.740 death will be many campuses now will be more balanced in the public square rhetoric because of the

01:18:04.520 dynamic that you saw in that video from last night with Michael Knowles it's great it's very

01:18:08.260 heartening I love to see it I mean it's just they're leaning in they don't care who knows it

01:18:13.060 they're they're proud patriots they love this country many of them are faith faithful people and

01:18:20.740 they found a new way of talking about both they that's Charlie's legacy and the best the best

01:18:26.400 liberals like Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna are welcoming this they're welcoming university

01:18:32.200 campuses having more pluralistic I wish other Democrats would follow their example and that's

01:18:37.160 not lip service it's not saying in the heat in the moment in the aftermath of the assassination

01:18:41.100 there are some Democrats who say thank goodness now that one of the enduring legacies will be more

01:18:47.220 pluralistic thought on campuses and I like I said I hope all of the Democrats follow that because

01:18:52.280 that could be some good that comes out of this now normally I would take a break at this point and

01:18:57.240 then we would start the Kamala Harris discussion later but her sound bites are so rambling and 1.00

01:19:01.880 difficult to comprehend I think we need to break it up otherwise people are going to be upset

01:19:05.360 and it's because I'm hungry it's I'm hungry I could use some salad I've got it for you right here

01:19:11.420 okay that's where I wanted to start actually she was on Maddow last night promoting her book

01:19:15.900 Maddow raised with her the statement in the book that she wanted to raise with Joe Biden the fact

01:19:22.540 that he was not the right candidate for this job but she couldn't really because she was the VP and

01:19:27.700 it would have been seen as self-serving but in retrospect it was really recklessness to allow

01:19:32.840 him to make the decision it shouldn't have been a personal call Maddow's trying to say okay so this is

01:19:37.780 why you know you didn't actually raise this with him but you you would have liked to and here is how

01:19:42.400 that answer went you said to President Biden if I did not think he should run again yeah or even

01:19:49.500 that he should question whether it's a good idea but I think that you know one of the reasons I

01:19:57.860 wrote this book Rachel is there are actually a number of reasons one is one that it is unprecedented

01:20:05.040 right to your point of what you said in your opening we had a president of the United States

01:20:11.340 running for re-election three and a half months from the election decides not to run

01:20:17.780 the sitting vice we know all this enters the race against a former president of the United States has

01:20:23.120 been running for 10 years with 107 days to go and it ended up being the closest presidential election

01:20:31.000 in the 21st century and there was so much about those 107 days that for me and this is really a

01:20:39.720 behind the scenes look at those 107 days was about seeing people who seemingly had nothing in common

01:20:46.600 coming together by the thousands oh my god with an a level of optimism and dare I say joy

01:20:53.600 oh my lord the possibilities for America and and I hope to remind people about that light that that

01:21:02.820 people brought to it and and to remind people that that light is still there a light and we can't let

01:21:08.760 that be extinguished by an election or an the individual who's in the office right now

01:21:14.180 she still got it still got it no one's better at the word salad please I would like a light vinaigrette

01:21:23.580 um you know I watched I've watched the interviews knowing I was coming on to talk to you and uh it

01:21:29.160 wasn't difficult for me to anticipate which sound bites you would pick and and and her failure to

01:21:34.540 stand up to the parts of the book that actually were honest or provocative and to just go with

01:21:40.140 as you said just a bunch of filler it is it's like whatever the opposite of book selling 101 is

01:21:45.240 that's what this is she's like she's not she's not even trying to sell the book anymore she's trying

01:21:49.940 to go back to as if she was just a candidate and just run out the clock with words yes that's so

01:21:55.140 well said that's a great point because it's like what Matt I was asking her was about a point that

01:21:59.720 Rachel had read in the book the one I just reiterated like yeah you know gee we shouldn't

01:22:04.600 let it be a personal decision the stakes were too high it was reckless and she's saying you know you

01:22:08.700 wish you had said that to President Biden and Kamala Harris goes off on how it was an unprecedented

01:22:13.500 time we only had three months dare I say joy need to remind people of the light it was light

01:22:20.500 here's my soundbite it's as if it wasn't a book that she had to get she tried to get published

01:22:28.200 it's as if it were her private journal that is leaked out and she's trying to change the subject oh

01:22:33.660 no they know they know what I wrote no she purposely published the words and now she's pretending like it

01:22:38.940 didn't happen it's the it's it is a weird way to sell a book okay on that same front Maddow who is

01:22:47.540 openly gay asked her about her comments in the book about why she didn't choose Pete Buttigieg as her

01:22:53.260 running mate in which the book you know she says because he's gay and the country in her view isn't

01:22:59.000 ready for somebody like her to be running with somebody like him and here's how that went

01:23:03.080 you know you're the first woman elected vice president you're a black woman and a south

01:23:08.340 asian woman uh elected that high office very nearly elected president to say that he couldn't 0.79

01:23:13.560 be on the ticket effectively because he was gay it's hard to hear no no no that's not what I said

01:23:17.680 that that's that he couldn't oh it is because he is gay exactly my point in as I write in the book is 0.78

01:23:25.200 that I was clear that in 107 days in one of the most hotly contested elections for president

01:23:36.500 united states against you can do it someone like donald trump who knows no floor

01:23:41.240 to be a black woman running for president united states and as a vice presidential running mate 0.97

01:23:50.400 a gay man with the stakes being so high it made me very sad but I I also realized it would be a real risk 1.00

01:24:01.480 so I I didn't say that except I said that exactly right yeah I mean I don't know how much of it's

01:24:09.040 been the blowback from the stuff leaking out I'll also say again it was a weird decision to put all

01:24:14.940 the stuff out to be attacked maybe they thought that would sell books but then it's just it's

01:24:20.180 confusing to like a potential book buyer and it certainly doesn't make Pete Buttigieg I think feel

01:24:25.240 any better to to go out and not actually say yeah you're not saying what what you put in the book

01:24:30.580 it just it's it's of a piece with uh the kind of communication strategy and image maintenance she 0.73

01:24:37.920 demonstrated as a vice president as a presidential candidate like how did she not know that was going

01:24:42.640 to come up mad out is a lesbian obviously this is going to be on the nose she's going to raise it 1.00

01:24:48.620 and there's no I didn't I didn't say that not not because he's gay I was clear that's always a tell 0.54

01:24:53.620 with her she's about to do one of her non-clear answers I was clear it's Donald Trump's fault

01:24:58.560 Donald Trump knows no floor that's the problem black gay man uh stakes too high so I but I was

01:25:05.960 sad about it Rachel I was sad so now you mentioned my favorite piece of the whole story which is she

01:25:11.220 took out her howitzer she pointed at Josh Shapiro she pointed at Pete Buttigieg she pointed at Team

01:25:16.020 Biden and they are all annihilating her in response here's Buttigieg in Sot 16.

01:25:21.640 I was surprised when I read that um I just believe in giving Americans more credit than

01:25:27.700 that uh you know my experience in politics has been that the the way that you earn trust with

01:25:34.180 voters is based mostly on what they think you're going to do for their lives not on categories

01:25:39.860 and then the Josh Shapiro remark where she said well I was going to choose Josh Shapiro governor of

01:25:46.440 Pennsylvania swing state but he seemed too vain basically is what she was saying he was more

01:25:51.840 focused on how he's going to decorate the VP's office and what artwork he could get in there

01:25:55.240 than he wasn't actually sharing responsibility and now here's Shapiro fighting back I mean look I

01:26:03.380 haven't read the vice former vice president's book and and she's going to have to she's going to have

01:26:08.280 to answer to how she was in the room and yet never said anything publicly I can tell you that I wasn't

01:26:16.180 in the room but when I was confronted with um engagement with the former president um in looking

01:26:23.640 at it simply from the perspective of how's he doing in Pennsylvania could he win Pennsylvania and I was

01:26:30.240 very vocal with him privately and extremely vocal with his staff about my concerns about his fitness

01:26:37.140 to be able to run for another term I believe in talking directly to the individuals not running

01:26:43.020 around and talking to the media okay so that's two mark yeah um you know the irony of this part is

01:26:52.380 the stuff she reported about Shapiro matches my reporting exactly which was she she wanted to pick him

01:26:58.320 and I think led led his team to believe he was going to be big but he was super demanding and his

01:27:03.100 he was I'm not going to accept a life-changing job with someone I don't know that well without more

01:27:08.580 answers and her attitude was I don't have time so that part's all all correct but I love the fact

01:27:13.880 that he comes back at her not on the points she raised but he comes back on her and says you have

01:27:19.080 to explain why he didn't point out that Joe Biden had cognitive decline and couldn't be president

01:27:22.860 so the people who haven't come back in full force yet are the Bidens and there's stuff in

01:27:28.240 the book that hasn't come up in the interview so far a negative thing she says about the Bidens that

01:27:32.880 I think Hunter or somebody else will come back at her and and what we did here was this from

01:27:39.000 we heard from Biden aides to Axios the following Vice President Harris was simply not good at the job

01:27:45.120 she had basically zero substantive role in any of the administration's key work streams and instead

01:27:50.900 would just dive bomb in for stilted photo ops that exposed how out of depth she was this is what

01:27:57.040 we've been waiting for we deserve this news cycle we've been waiting for this since November

01:28:00.880 it's coming on camera and part of their indignation is they did more to try to help her than any vice

01:28:07.120 president has ever been helped they went out of their way to get her meetings and briefings and to 1.00

01:28:11.140 protect her public image and again it hasn't come up now although it leaked out early she claims oh they

01:28:16.880 undermine me they didn't try to protect me when I was attacked they didn't defend me instead under

01:28:21.300 orders from her boss the president they spent unprecedented amount of time trying to avoid

01:28:27.280 her being treated negatively but it didn't stick because she was not able to do certain parts of

01:28:33.380 the job because she was genuinely terrible all right now she's also trying to be a tough guy around

01:28:39.920 Trump that's another piece of her narrative that we will pick up on the opposite side of this break

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01:32:24.980 hit uh this morning google is now vowing to offer youtube accounts that were permanently banned for

01:32:34.620 political speech during the biden administration and covid the ability to be reinstated the fox news

01:32:42.320 breaking this this morning from the fox article google detained its remarkable shift in a document

01:32:48.080 first obtained by fox news digital that a lawyer for the company provided to the house judiciary

01:32:52.020 committee the new policy from google also known by its parent company alphabet could affect both

01:32:56.820 average users and well-known figures like fbi deputy director dan bongino white house counterterrorism

01:33:03.180 chief sebastian gorka and war room podcast host steve bannon all of whom were permanently banned in

01:33:08.480 recent years for covid 19 or election related content that just that that's just three who got banned we

01:33:16.460 could we could be here all day if we went through the list okay that's what conservatives have been

01:33:20.740 subjected to over the past seven plus years and brit hume is online your former boss and mine saying quote

01:33:29.760 meanwhile cnn's jake tapper is on late night tv he was on seth myers last night saying the temporary

01:33:36.660 suspension of jimmy kimmel is quote the most direct infringement by the government on free speech

01:33:43.060 he's ever seen we know that youtube and google did that because the government was insisting that they

01:33:50.600 crack down on these fringe voices all over youtube this is absurd the turnaround in this narrative over

01:33:56.780 kimmel to having five days off one of the 23 books i currently want to write is the history of the

01:34:04.740 tech platforms coinciding with the rise of donald trump cult colluding with the biden administration

01:34:10.840 and the media particularly the media reporters the ones who cover the media to censor conservative

01:34:18.460 thought to take shut down accounts to suppress information the hunter biden laptop's the most

01:34:23.340 prominent but this is an incredible story that these platforms which which claim to be you know wide

01:34:29.560 open and available to anyone and and not content concerned but rather just concerned with uh creating

01:34:35.600 the distribution they they actively and ideologically conspired to suppress conservative thought diversity

01:34:43.360 of thought and you know it's one thing if they say well this is a nazi or this is someone with dangerous

01:34:47.660 thoughts but these were just people espousing different points of view that happen to be conservative

01:34:52.460 or belong to conservatives and it's an incredible story about american history that's never been written

01:34:58.360 and i would love to write it it would take a lot of reporting but i'd love to do it and of course

01:35:01.840 as you suggest now when when when there are things like kimmel and and it's about speech against

01:35:07.940 donald trump as opposed to speech against the democrats or for donald trump people in the media who claim

01:35:12.780 to be objective just have a totally different point of view about it i don't know if they even

01:35:16.680 understand how hypocritical that looks it's unbelievable i mean what what what a news item to hit

01:35:22.400 as the left is crying in its soup over the five day and by the way you know that that news about

01:35:27.280 i don't know when seth myers tapes his show but that news about um jimmy kimmel happened relatively

01:35:33.520 early in the day he probably knew i haven't watched the whole thing i haven't watched any of it um

01:35:37.620 i have to get back to kamala because she went on the view this morning and it's amazing it's amazing

01:35:44.500 you know like leftists are gonna leftist here is sought 52

01:35:48.760 a lot of people i'm included and president biden also think that a lot of it is about racism and

01:35:57.400 sexism and those are the reasons that you really lost not because of the time thing what do you say

01:36:02.780 to that do you think this country will ever elect a woman president in my lifetime probably not 0.99

01:36:07.360 i i beg to differ i believe that we will and listen you know this and i've been honored to

01:36:15.400 be on this show many times and talk with this esteemed group every office i've held i've been

01:36:21.700 the first yeah um oh god usually the first woman and then often the first woman and the first person 0.95

01:36:28.400 of color the only time actually i was the second when i was the second black woman ever elected to the

01:36:34.400 united states senate and it's hundreds of years history um so i'm not i'm not naive race and gender

01:36:43.380 do play a factor in some people's minds about how they vote back to me if we could just bring it back

01:36:53.880 to me i was the first year and the first day i was the second there but i was the third then i was

01:36:59.460 the first and then i almost became the first this but i was like this is this is how leftists think

01:37:04.180 it's like right i would be humiliated i really would if i were coming here i'd be like look there

01:37:10.440 was a time in this country when that was for at the forefront of people's minds we're past that time

01:37:14.920 look at my stellar resume thanks to this great country i've achieved all no she can't do i was

01:37:19.820 first and a second then i was first again and i was like this is how they think

01:37:24.340 well so joyce the premise of joyce question was it wasn't that you only had 107 days it's racism and

01:37:33.300 sexism and i would and i would say what i've said from the beginning the minute we learned the book

01:37:38.880 title if you didn't think you could win in 107 days you shouldn't have run there were other people

01:37:44.260 who would have run who would be happy to take on the responsibility and the trend the challenge of

01:37:48.840 doing that and if you if you're not someone who is good at making difficult decisions under pressure

01:37:55.080 you also shouldn't run those were the reasons she lost she's not she's never been good at making

01:38:00.520 difficult decisions under pressure and she wasn't able to run a campaign in 107 days the other things

01:38:07.220 raised the fact that it was too short a period of time and race and gender i have no doubt they were 0.88

01:38:13.100 not they were not uh absent from the consideration but her friend barack obama got elected president

01:38:18.720 with the middle name hussein as a black so i mean it's not impossible to get elected president as a

01:38:25.120 black person now not for nothing she was elected vice president with all those same characteristics

01:38:31.740 yeah yeah and and again it's there is sexism but if you think there's too much sexism to win

01:38:39.100 and you think 170 days is too short don't tell your party put me in coach let someone else do it

01:38:45.940 exactly right well the reason she couldn't do that is because the threat was too big you know she just

01:38:51.480 she understood she had she had to rise to the occasion because the threat was too big

01:38:55.600 here she is back on mad out talking about the evil trump sod eight and right now we are dealing with

01:39:03.200 as i called him at my speech on the ellipse a tyrant we used to compare the strength of our democracy

01:39:12.340 to common communist dictators that's what we're dealing with right now in donald trump

01:39:16.680 and these titans of industry are not speaking up and perhaps it is because his threats and the way he has

01:39:29.500 used the weight of the federal government to take out vengeance on his critics is something that they

01:39:37.380 fear and i get that i understand why they do we've seen the demonstration of it

01:39:42.560 okay communist dictator i guess we're not lightening up on the on the rhetoric at all

01:39:50.980 same same program in which she endorsed uh mondami for mayor of new york actual communist

01:39:58.940 right good point she but you see she's been she's been going through a lot mark you have to you have

01:40:06.080 to give her some slack cut her some slack because she's been going through a lot she's been like a

01:40:09.420 grieving process back to the view she spoke a bit about that just a bit it's not 50 here it is

01:40:14.900 in fact doug and i my husband um it wasn't until i was writing that chapter that we had ever talked

01:40:22.340 about election night i grieved in a way that i have not since my mother died

01:40:29.500 and it was i was the pain was it was not at all about losing a race i knew what it was going to mean

01:40:40.360 for the for the country i was going to say for the family i'm that's what and that's how i felt for

01:40:44.240 the country we all agree i knew what it was going to mean yeah but i knew yeah and i and and all i

01:40:53.660 could say over and over again is my god my god my god it was it was it was very difficult i mean i

01:41:00.800 know everyone many people experienced it in different ways okay i have to say something may surprise people

01:41:07.000 i accept that statement because had she won i would have had those exact feelings about her

01:41:13.580 i would have said my god my my my god my god and i would have grieved for my country i just don't

01:41:18.740 happen to believe it in her case i think she actually was grieving for herself she just doesn't

01:41:22.380 have the self-confidence to admit it i think you could go out there and say like trump he he would

01:41:27.500 actually be like yeah i was very mad well he'd be like i didn't lose that's what he would say

01:41:31.840 but i i accept that she was genuinely scared that trump won because i would be if she did

01:41:38.840 well this mythology that she and some others try to propagate that she ran a good race she didn't

01:41:44.360 i actually think given how close it was if she'd run a good race she probably would have won 1.00

01:41:47.840 so all this grieving for the country rather than and this is the criticism i hear most from democrats

01:41:53.100 privately she's not taking responsibility she's saying it's horrible trump won and it's horrible

01:41:58.100 how the biden people treated me and it's horrible i only had 107 days rather than oops i maybe wasn't

01:42:04.140 the right person to do this but i was the first black woman and the first southeast asian woman

01:42:10.860 and i was the first in a woman who'd had an affair with willie brown and i was the first we could be

01:42:16.380 here all day like this is crazy talk i love listening to this you're i'm totally in favor of the tour

01:42:22.740 favor of uh mark halpern on next up as well which you should enjoy by subscribing on youtube and on

01:42:28.720 podcast mark thank you thank you great to see you have a great day you too all right we're back

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 23, 2025

Charlie Kirk ＂Curse,＂ ABC Affiliates vs. Kimmel, and Kamala's Disastrous Book Tour Begins, with Mark Halperin ｜ Ep. 1155

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