The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk Dead at 31 - Assassination on Utah College Campus During Turning Point Event

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.220 Welcome everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. We're going live right now with special coverage on the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:00:21.360 Charlie Kirk's been shot at an event in Utah, one of his student events that he does all over the country.

00:00:26.680 And we are awaiting word on his condition. It happened earlier and we got word we did not want to come to air with the news until we knew whether it was true.

00:00:38.140 We knew that a shooting had occurred, but now everyone from President Donald Trump on down has confirmed he's been shot.

00:00:46.480 Charlie's been shot. He's been shot. It appeared in the neck.

00:00:49.200 Um, there is video of the event of the shooting that took place, uh, from far away.

00:00:56.980 We're going to show you that Utah Valley University.

00:01:00.580 Um, this is graphic. It's not as graphic as some of the film that is being represented as out there right now and having been taken more close up.

00:01:10.360 So we're going to look at just this one, which is from a distance.

00:01:13.720 Here it is.

00:01:18.820 Oh my God.

00:01:22.040 Go run, run.

00:01:26.180 We don't know his condition. We're trying to find out.

00:01:30.420 We've contacted all of our friends with Charlie's organization.

00:01:34.780 Of course, of course, Turning Point, which, you know, I do a lot with.

00:01:38.360 We have a lot of friends over there.

00:01:40.620 I've texted Charlie myself.

00:01:42.100 I don't know how he is.

00:01:45.400 I don't know if he's okay.

00:01:46.460 I don't know what the state of his injuries are.

00:01:50.560 But he has been shot as confirmed by the President of the United States, the FBI also confirming.

00:01:57.400 And as we await further updates on his condition, all we can do is pray.

00:02:03.700 We can pray, pray, pray God that he survived this.

00:02:08.320 Pray for his family, pray for his children, his two young children.

00:02:13.880 And ask ourselves what our country is coming to.

00:02:17.420 How does this happen?

00:02:19.620 How does somebody whose only job is to comment on political matters wind up a target for an assassin?

00:02:27.260 Listen, this is the United States of America.

00:02:30.220 We have commentators.

00:02:31.920 We have provocative commentators.

00:02:33.160 This is what we've been doing since the dawn of time.

00:02:36.660 We are told online, at least, that a man has been detained, that he's in custody.

00:02:41.580 There's video of a man being taken into custody.

00:02:47.040 He is older.

00:02:48.920 I'd say he looks in his 70s to me.

00:02:50.780 He's mostly bald with white hair around the rim of his head.

00:02:56.180 He's on his knees in this video we're about to show you, getting arrested.

00:03:01.980 Let's watch it.

00:03:02.840 We don't know whether that man is, in fact, the shooter, but we do know we are told someone is in custody.

00:03:19.560 Megan Basham, who was on this program earlier today, who worked for the Daily Wire,

00:03:23.980 and also has many friends at Turning Point, just tweeted out,

00:03:27.540 sources tell me the situation is critical.

00:03:29.900 Pray, pray hard.

00:03:30.600 There is video circulating online, which we are not going to show.

00:03:38.560 And my only prayer is that it's fake.

00:03:42.220 I pray to God it was fake, what I saw.

00:03:44.600 And there is no way I am showing it on this channel or on this feed.

00:03:49.920 If it is real, it will be a miracle if Charlie survived.

00:03:54.560 I can barely get my arms around the enormity of this.

00:04:02.400 Charlie is such a dear man, and he's such an important cultural figure.

00:04:07.260 He is one of the bravest people I know.

00:04:14.100 He's been so unfairly demonized by his detractors.

00:04:18.240 At every turn, he's been villainized by people who disagree with him politically.

00:04:25.000 Charlie, and that messaging can sink in.

00:04:31.380 I'm not blaming anyone.

00:04:33.060 I don't know exactly who did it, and I don't know the motivations are,

00:04:36.300 but I know that a lot of hate has been stirred up for Charlie

00:04:39.680 that is grossly disproportionate to the messaging he's bringing to this world.

00:04:46.460 He does these events because he wants to reach out to young people.

00:04:54.040 You know, the forgotten conservatives on college campuses

00:04:56.580 who the right has basically ceded to the left,

00:04:59.420 who up until Charlie were being totally ignored by most people.

00:05:03.640 Stephen Crowder would go on college campuses and do his prove-me-wrong thing.

00:05:08.280 But most people just don't even go there

00:05:09.940 because they don't believe there's a window for conservatism on college campuses,

00:05:12.860 and Charlie just wouldn't accept that.

00:05:14.320 Charlie, who started as Don Jr.'s bag boy in 2016,

00:05:19.100 literally carrying Don Jr.'s bags,

00:05:21.160 and rose to head up one of the most powerful, influential,

00:05:24.280 and important political organizations in the country,

00:05:27.100 all self-made, not a college graduate.

00:05:29.580 His life was his college.

00:05:33.040 His interactions with all of you from campus to campus and show to show,

00:05:38.360 that was a better education than any college could ever have provided him.

00:05:41.660 And he's got deep, deep thoughts and deep, deep beliefs on many issues.

00:05:48.000 And thank God he's a God-fearing man.

00:05:50.040 He's deeply religious and a person of faith.

00:05:52.660 And I pray, pray, pray, pray, pray that's helping him now

00:05:55.700 and helping his wife and his two babies.

00:05:58.720 He has become so influential.

00:06:05.680 You have to assume that's what this is about,

00:06:09.100 that he was considered a threat.

00:06:13.140 This is just pure speculation.

00:06:14.660 I'm not putting it on any particular person.

00:06:16.360 I'm just saying that he is so influential

00:06:20.620 that he would be considered a threat by some pockets out there.

00:06:25.560 And whatever the outcome is here,

00:06:30.040 this perpetrator must be held to account.

00:06:33.280 There must be justice for what happened today.

00:06:37.400 We cannot live in a society where,

00:06:40.380 whether you're a pundit or a president,

00:06:42.320 you cannot appear in public to say how you feel,

00:06:46.860 to say how you think the government should be run.

00:06:50.600 This is not some third world banana republic.

00:06:53.380 This is the United States of America.

00:06:55.380 What is this, 1968?

00:06:57.700 Are we back there where it's an assassination

00:07:01.280 or an assassination attempt every couple of months

00:07:04.440 in the United States?

00:07:05.920 Charlie and I are set to go on the road together in two weeks.

00:07:14.500 We're going down to Virginia Tech together

00:07:17.300 to do one of these events in about 14 days.

00:07:21.460 And I'm looking forward to it.

00:07:26.520 I've been looking forward to sitting side by side with him

00:07:28.860 and having a window into what Charlie does

00:07:32.560 because it is brave.

00:07:33.940 It is brave.

00:07:34.560 It's different from what he does on the air

00:07:37.080 and what I do on the air behind the microphone

00:07:39.060 talking to a black camera.

00:07:42.140 You know, it's just a black screen when I'm looking in.

00:07:45.160 I don't see, if I have a guest, I see the guest face.

00:07:47.660 But other than that, I just see black space.

00:07:50.840 When you can see the people out there

00:07:52.320 and a lot of them can't stand you,

00:07:54.060 it's very brave to go out there and do what he does.

00:07:56.760 And he does it.

00:07:58.620 He does it courageously.

00:08:00.140 And he does it regularly.

00:08:01.280 And he takes on people who disagree with him.

00:08:02.920 And he does it respectfully, respectfully.

00:08:05.680 He actually is changing hearts and minds,

00:08:08.340 which is what makes him a threat.

00:08:11.580 I've got a bunch of people who are going to be joining us

00:08:14.220 as we await word on his condition.

00:08:16.100 And I want to kick it off with Rich Lowry of National Review.

00:08:20.420 Rich, and sorry, Mark Halperin of Next Up with Mark Halperin.

00:08:25.640 And I know, Mark, you talked to Charlie, was it yesterday?

00:08:30.400 Was it just yesterday?

00:08:34.280 No, I've covered stories about people who've been shot or sick.

00:08:40.040 And never in my career have I had trouble talking about it.

00:08:45.280 But I'll have trouble with this one, at least for a little bit.

00:08:48.440 I know him only professionally.

00:08:49.820 He's not my friend, but I've been on his show many times.

00:08:52.420 And he's such an incredible figure.

00:08:55.240 He's an historic figure, even if you strongly disagree with him.

00:08:58.220 What he accomplished in the last few years in particular,

00:09:01.380 there's nobody like him.

00:09:02.340 And I've talked to him about it over,

00:09:04.120 he's come on Next Up.

00:09:05.740 There's nobody like him in either party

00:09:07.240 because he's a content creator.

00:09:09.660 He's a strategist.

00:09:10.720 He's a thinker.

00:09:11.320 He's a doer.

00:09:12.240 And he's on text chains with the vice president

00:09:14.560 and Don Jr. and others.

00:09:18.260 He's so involved.

00:09:19.820 He works around the clock.

00:09:21.740 Great dad and cares a lot about his kids.

00:09:24.200 And just come back from Asia, first trip to Asia.

00:09:26.980 And we talked yesterday about how he was looking forward

00:09:29.100 to this tour because he draws such strength

00:09:31.960 from being out on the road

00:09:33.040 with the young people who he's inspired in an historic way.

00:09:38.780 And he's so interested in what they have to say.

00:09:40.780 And we talked about going to a Mondami rally together.

00:09:43.460 I think I was more serious than Charlie was about it.

00:09:46.080 But he wanted to go to a rally

00:09:48.900 and see Mondami and see the people.

00:09:51.540 He said, I don't want to troll the people there.

00:09:53.980 And we talked about, again, part joke, part serious,

00:09:56.320 going in disguise.

00:09:57.420 Because we didn't want to be a spectacle.

00:09:59.380 We just wanted to go and see what are these young people inspired by?

00:10:03.480 And that, to me, is the essence of this guy.

00:10:05.580 He's so interested in the world,

00:10:08.340 making the world a better place,

00:10:09.800 and understanding particularly what his specialty has been,

00:10:13.560 which is young people.

00:10:14.940 And no one, and I think the president would agree with this,

00:10:18.940 no one has done more

00:10:21.060 to bring the hearts and minds of young people

00:10:24.220 to be open to or enthusiastic about,

00:10:26.380 not just Donald Trump,

00:10:27.520 not just MAGA,

00:10:28.280 but the conservative movement

00:10:29.340 in the last, I don't know how many years

00:10:30.980 that Charlie has done.

00:10:32.460 It's an extraordinary organization he's built.

00:10:35.840 And his capacity at a relatively young age

00:10:39.280 to do so many different extraordinary things

00:10:42.120 is testament to his hard work,

00:10:45.920 his intelligence,

00:10:47.060 and his curiosity.

00:10:48.000 Oh, you know, Rich,

00:10:51.900 I was looking back on some texts

00:10:53.460 between the two of us,

00:10:54.700 me and Charlie,

00:10:55.820 and looking back to after Trump won,

00:10:59.500 and Charlie texted me,

00:11:00.420 glory be to God.

00:11:02.640 You know, he's a very, very faithful guy.

00:11:05.580 And I think he's been driven by that.

00:11:08.860 Forgive me for the upset.

00:11:10.500 It's, I saw a video right before we came to air

00:11:12.660 that I don't know whether it's real,

00:11:13.980 but if it's real,

00:11:14.980 it's really dark and it's really bad.

00:11:18.000 Um, he, he is a person of faith

00:11:21.880 and I have to hope that's helping his family

00:11:23.620 and, and, in a, in a perfect world,

00:11:26.920 helping him right now.

00:11:29.920 Yeah, it's, it's absolutely devastating.

00:11:33.040 You guys know him better than I do,

00:11:35.100 but I remember eight or 10 years ago,

00:11:37.400 he came to me, get a, get a cup of coffee

00:11:39.660 in New York City, looking for advice.

00:11:42.080 And I very quickly realized

00:11:44.080 he didn't need any of my advice.

00:11:45.820 I mean, what he's been able to do

00:11:47.260 in terms of his advocacy,

00:11:49.240 in terms of his podcast,

00:11:51.560 in terms of his organizational,

00:11:53.520 organization building,

00:11:54.840 in terms of his, his, uh,

00:11:56.820 political organizational work

00:11:58.860 is just massively consequential

00:12:01.880 and speaks to his personal talent

00:12:03.620 and personal drive.

00:12:05.400 If anyone had said, you know,

00:12:06.800 five or 10 years ago,

00:12:07.800 oh, you know, a, a, um,

00:12:10.100 a kind of a, a, a hard edge

00:12:11.800 populist presidential candidate

00:12:13.560 is going to make major inroads

00:12:15.300 among young people.

00:12:17.600 No, that's not going to be possible.

00:12:19.900 But Charlie, Charlie saw it.

00:12:21.820 He saw the, the opening,

00:12:23.140 not, not just saw it,

00:12:24.980 embodied it in certain ways

00:12:26.680 and then gave it political effect.

00:12:29.220 I can't, I can't tell you,

00:12:30.480 I'm sure people told Mark the same thing.

00:12:32.900 You'd have a lot of, uh, operatives

00:12:34.720 or opinion makers saying,

00:12:36.080 oh, Trump's turnout operation.

00:12:37.520 I think it's, it's going to be a debacle

00:12:39.280 and he's going to lose because of it

00:12:40.460 because he's outsourced it

00:12:41.420 to Charlie Kirk.

00:12:42.200 Now that's, that was an exaggeration.

00:12:43.900 He didn't outsource his entire,

00:12:45.020 the entirety of his crowd operation

00:12:46.920 to Charlie Kirk.

00:12:47.940 But I heard that over and over

00:12:49.540 and over again.

00:12:50.420 And lo and behold,

00:12:51.700 he delivered.

00:12:52.620 You know, Charlie and these other guys

00:12:54.120 delivered.

00:12:54.880 They had a different theory of the case.

00:12:56.260 So that's extraordinary.

00:12:58.240 And just this, this event is so devastating.

00:13:02.040 I, not just personally,

00:13:05.500 Charlie and his family,

00:13:06.720 people know him well,

00:13:07.880 friends, friends of his,

00:13:09.280 but, and civically, right?

00:13:11.880 To have someone who's going

00:13:13.140 and doing it the right way.

00:13:14.880 You know, he doesn't have to go there.

00:13:16.000 He doesn't have to sit there

00:13:16.840 in a chair, take all questions.

00:13:19.200 And, and look,

00:13:19.860 that just shows how a bravery

00:13:21.300 and openness to debate draws people.

00:13:24.060 A huge, huge crowd

00:13:25.320 at a university none of us

00:13:26.540 had heard of before

00:13:27.680 about 45 minutes ago.

00:13:30.160 He's doing the right thing, right?

00:13:31.680 We need more of that, right?

00:13:32.980 That's good for our society.

00:13:34.260 That's what the bedrock

00:13:35.200 of our republic,

00:13:35.920 that's what it's built on.

00:13:37.040 Argument, persuasion,

00:13:38.720 clash of ideas.

00:13:39.840 And a rifle should have

00:13:40.680 nothing to do with it.

00:13:41.480 Obviously nothing to do with it.

00:13:42.880 And you asked, you know,

00:13:43.880 is this 1968 again?

00:13:45.600 This might be an event horizon

00:13:47.080 where, where we've passed,

00:13:49.280 we've, we've gone from the,

00:13:50.740 the, the poisonous rhetoric

00:13:52.600 into acts against people

00:13:55.180 who are just, just advocates, right?

00:13:56.960 Who are just out there

00:13:57.980 expressing their point of view.

00:13:59.840 And that's a really,

00:14:00.900 really disturbing thing

00:14:02.320 to think about.

00:14:03.700 Mark Halperin,

00:14:04.880 the amount of security

00:14:06.960 that Ben Shapiro

00:14:08.060 has to travel with now,

00:14:09.820 that Matt Walsh

00:14:10.860 has to travel with now,

00:14:12.960 that I know Charlie

00:14:13.840 has had to travel with,

00:14:15.220 I travel with security too.

00:14:16.640 This is not normal.

00:14:18.000 This is, this is not normal.

00:14:19.700 This is,

00:14:21.340 we're all news personalities.

00:14:23.600 That's what we do.

00:14:24.280 We comment on the news.

00:14:25.300 The level of threats

00:14:27.320 that now public figures

00:14:28.960 are having to put up with

00:14:29.800 in order to just talk

00:14:30.880 about the news

00:14:31.860 is irregular.

00:14:33.520 It's, it's wrong.

00:14:34.900 There's something deeply

00:14:36.260 un-American about this.

00:14:37.960 And I don't,

00:14:40.820 I don't know if we can take

00:14:42.600 the loss of Charlie Kirk.

00:14:44.260 I don't,

00:14:44.780 I don't know if we can

00:14:46.840 take the loss of him.

00:14:47.720 I really don't.

00:14:48.440 I just think it's going,

00:14:50.040 pray God it's not happening.

00:14:51.360 Pray God he survives this.

00:14:53.020 But this,

00:14:53.940 this is an abject disaster.

00:14:57.380 I mean, this,

00:14:58.000 this is going to have

00:14:59.340 a far reaching,

00:15:02.120 deeply resonating effect

00:15:03.460 on the political right.

00:15:06.080 Even as we know it,

00:15:07.620 as of this moment,

00:15:08.400 what's happened here.

00:15:10.740 Well,

00:15:11.960 just to be honest,

00:15:13.240 based on the texts

00:15:14.280 I'm getting,

00:15:15.360 we need to be prepared

00:15:17.320 for the worst here.

00:15:19.780 This will,

00:15:20.580 this will deeply impact

00:15:22.160 the president

00:15:22.640 and the vice president.

00:15:24.000 This will deeply impact

00:15:25.320 so many public officials

00:15:26.760 on the right.

00:15:28.940 And, and,

00:15:29.740 you know,

00:15:33.000 it's a, it's,

00:15:33.960 it's going to be personal

00:15:35.000 for a lot of people, right?

00:15:36.200 It's going to be a personal loss,

00:15:37.220 but it's also going to be

00:15:38.480 a gateway to a bigger conversation

00:15:40.760 about how such a thing

00:15:41.940 could happen.

00:15:42.480 not only the issue you raise

00:15:44.280 of the safety of people

00:15:45.940 who want to be

00:15:46.440 on the town square,

00:15:47.280 but the question of

00:15:49.760 why such a kind person

00:15:51.720 who said provocative things

00:15:54.400 could be targeted

00:15:55.940 in such a way.

00:15:58.120 I, I, I am,

00:15:59.540 I am certain

00:16:02.420 that this will do,

00:16:04.340 this shooting will do some good.

00:16:05.900 I'm certain of it

00:16:06.720 because he was such a kind person,

00:16:08.680 but I'm going to be vigilant myself

00:16:12.520 in making as much,

00:16:15.720 as sure as I can

00:16:16.580 that this brings the country together

00:16:18.280 rather than divides us more.

00:16:20.620 That is what Charlie

00:16:21.760 was all about

00:16:23.560 in, in, in a way

00:16:25.120 that the left didn't understand.

00:16:26.560 He was not a hater

00:16:27.720 and he was not a divider

00:16:28.920 in the way in his work

00:16:29.780 and he has always been

00:16:31.020 and will continue to be,

00:16:32.380 I pray,

00:16:33.720 someone who sees

00:16:35.040 a united America

00:16:36.360 through correcting

00:16:38.260 some of the things

00:16:39.020 that he's always felt

00:16:40.020 were done abroad.

00:16:41.180 Mark, Mark,

00:16:41.640 as I listen to you,

00:16:42.760 I, I know,

00:16:44.360 I, I hear you.

00:16:45.540 I totally hear you,

00:16:46.740 but I'm so

00:16:47.620 fucking angry right now.

00:16:50.080 I'm so angry

00:16:51.100 and I agree with you.

00:16:52.220 I'm getting similar messages

00:16:53.520 that we need to prepare

00:16:54.540 for the worst.

00:16:55.880 The official word right now

00:16:57.300 is that he was taken away

00:16:58.240 by his security team

00:16:59.280 after being shot

00:17:00.240 and that a suspect

00:17:01.520 is in custody

00:17:02.280 per Utah Ballet University

00:17:03.940 and that Charlie

00:17:04.800 has been brought

00:17:05.340 to the hospital

00:17:06.020 with his condition unknown,

00:17:08.220 though earlier

00:17:09.200 a report was that

00:17:10.340 he is in,

00:17:11.260 that it's critical.

00:17:12.520 It is critical.

00:17:13.860 But I'm so angry.

00:17:15.760 I'm so angry.

00:17:17.000 I don't, I,

00:17:17.540 I don't know

00:17:19.660 what the man's motivation was.

00:17:20.920 I don't know

00:17:21.420 whether that's the guy,

00:17:23.000 the bald guy saying,

00:17:24.420 I, I have a right

00:17:25.560 to remain silent,

00:17:26.540 but I want someone

00:17:28.500 to suffer.

00:17:29.360 I, like,

00:17:31.540 the right doesn't

00:17:32.600 generally riot

00:17:34.020 with burning buildings

00:17:36.200 and gas cans

00:17:37.580 in the street.

00:17:38.280 You know,

00:17:38.460 that's a leftist thing.

00:17:39.540 That's an Antifa thing.

00:17:40.660 That's like a,

00:17:41.180 an astroturf thing

00:17:42.620 that leftists get going

00:17:43.620 when they don't get their way.

00:17:44.840 But this is the kind of thing

00:17:46.180 that makes me want

00:17:47.080 to riot in the street.

00:17:48.900 I'm not encouraging people

00:17:49.800 to do that.

00:17:50.300 I don't want people

00:17:51.100 to do that.

00:17:51.580 More people will die.

00:17:52.440 More people will get hurt.

00:17:54.200 But I'm,

00:17:55.340 I know I speak for millions

00:17:56.680 when I say,

00:17:57.280 I'm so angry right now.

00:18:02.640 Yeah, I mean,

00:18:03.600 there's a level of

00:18:06.680 anger and upset

00:18:08.540 that anyone he touched

00:18:10.040 is going to feel,

00:18:10.720 regardless of the motive,

00:18:12.760 regardless of,

00:18:13.780 of,

00:18:15.260 of the,

00:18:16.820 the,

00:18:17.300 the biography

00:18:18.200 of the person

00:18:19.460 who did this.

00:18:20.500 Regardless,

00:18:21.480 there's going to be

00:18:22.040 anger and upset.

00:18:22.840 And believe me,

00:18:23.860 as I said,

00:18:24.840 I'm,

00:18:25.040 I'm pretty upset

00:18:25.880 about this.

00:18:26.300 And I know,

00:18:27.440 I know a thousand people

00:18:28.560 who know Charlie

00:18:29.040 better than I did,

00:18:29.700 but I'm just,

00:18:31.780 I'm just saying

00:18:32.420 that,

00:18:33.120 that this must be

00:18:34.980 whatever happens,

00:18:36.760 a manifestation

00:18:37.880 of the faith

00:18:38.700 that Charlie,

00:18:39.880 that animated Charlie's life.

00:18:42.340 It's,

00:18:42.780 it's going to be

00:18:43.520 an opportunity

00:18:44.140 no matter what

00:18:45.360 his fate turns out to be.

00:18:46.980 It's going to be

00:18:47.760 an opportunity

00:18:48.360 to make the country better,

00:18:50.520 which comes from love

00:18:52.660 and aggressive understanding

00:18:55.760 and not,

00:18:56.580 and not anger and hatred.

00:18:57.720 And,

00:18:57.920 and,

00:18:58.200 and again,

00:18:59.500 again,

00:18:59.860 I know,

00:19:00.320 I know everything

00:19:01.040 you're saying is right.

00:19:01.940 I'm just resisting it.

00:19:02.980 The president,

00:19:03.020 the vice,

00:19:03.480 yeah,

00:19:03.780 the president,

00:19:04.380 the vice president

00:19:04.840 will lead us

00:19:05.360 because they'll have to

00:19:06.060 because they're so close to him.

00:19:08.660 They're so close to him.

00:19:09.980 Okay.

00:19:11.160 Former Utah

00:19:12.120 representative Jason Chaffetz

00:19:14.340 was at the event.

00:19:15.420 He watched

00:19:15.900 as Charlie fell backward

00:19:17.320 after being shot

00:19:18.680 and says he hopes

00:19:20.100 that quote,

00:19:20.900 somehow,

00:19:21.840 some way

00:19:22.440 he survived.

00:19:24.200 Rich,

00:19:25.620 forgive me.

00:19:27.860 We're going to

00:19:28.720 take a look at MSNBC.

00:19:32.080 They're actually speculating

00:19:33.700 that this is going to be

00:19:34.620 quote,

00:19:35.140 used,

00:19:36.360 used.

00:19:37.020 I haven't seen the SOT,

00:19:39.400 but yeah,

00:19:39.720 let's watch it.

00:19:40.380 SOT 5.

00:19:42.200 After one of the Doge

00:19:44.320 employees

00:19:45.480 was allegedly attacked

00:19:47.140 in Washington,

00:19:47.900 D.C.,

00:19:48.240 that's what Donald Trump

00:19:49.040 used as a justification

00:19:50.880 to send in

00:19:52.040 federal troops

00:19:53.920 into Washington,

00:19:54.920 D.C.

00:19:55.240 to get things under control.

00:19:56.680 The carjacking situation,

00:19:58.020 he used that.

00:19:59.440 And I know it's hard

00:20:00.820 to predict the future,

00:20:01.700 Mark,

00:20:01.940 but you can imagine

00:20:03.200 the administration

00:20:03.740 using this

00:20:04.780 as a justification

00:20:05.460 for something.

00:20:07.980 I must admit,

00:20:09.180 I'm at a loss

00:20:10.280 to guess

00:20:10.640 as to what happens next.

00:20:13.680 I'm sorry,

00:20:14.340 but Katie Couture

00:20:14.960 is a sick,

00:20:15.700 sick person.

00:20:16.320 She's a sick person,

00:20:17.640 Rich Lowry.

00:20:18.620 Fuck that.

00:20:19.660 Fuck that is right,

00:20:20.760 Mark Halpern.

00:20:21.720 Fuck that.

00:20:22.260 Yeah,

00:20:22.520 apparently it's just

00:20:23.660 not enough to say,

00:20:25.060 dear God,

00:20:25.880 God help us.

00:20:27.440 Pray for Charlie.

00:20:28.620 This is God awful.

00:20:30.160 Should never happen,

00:20:31.720 right?

00:20:32.100 And they can't bring

00:20:33.160 themselves to do it.

00:20:33.800 And this is why I hope

00:20:35.420 Mark is right

00:20:36.180 that this brings us together

00:20:38.320 to some extent

00:20:39.500 or, you know,

00:20:40.480 lowers the temperature

00:20:41.220 as people say.

00:20:42.660 But I'm skeptical

00:20:43.480 because I can hear

00:20:44.280 that I'm not,

00:20:46.000 that's shameful

00:20:46.980 but not unexpected.

00:20:48.100 But I can also hear

00:20:48.980 the yes but commentary

00:20:50.060 coming, right?

00:20:51.520 This shouldn't have happened

00:20:52.640 but Charlie said

00:20:54.080 or did X, Y,

00:20:55.940 and Z.

00:20:56.700 And I think

00:20:58.260 we'll have that

00:20:59.000 fairly rapidly.

00:21:00.160 and it'll be a medic,

00:21:01.720 you know,

00:21:02.020 and it'll be

00:21:02.640 difficult to take

00:21:05.040 and disgraceful

00:21:05.980 but past,

00:21:07.720 if past is prologue,

00:21:09.360 that's,

00:21:09.840 we're going to hear

00:21:10.320 a lot of that.

00:21:12.920 There's,

00:21:13.680 it's just,

00:21:14.880 I don't understand

00:21:16.060 how any of us

00:21:17.400 are supposed to go on

00:21:18.380 just functioning

00:21:19.100 and living our lives

00:21:20.080 and doing what we do

00:21:20.860 for a living.

00:21:21.500 What we do

00:21:22.100 is exactly what Charlie did.

00:21:23.640 Does.

00:21:24.380 Does.

00:21:25.680 You know,

00:21:26.140 we comment on the news,

00:21:27.320 Mark.

00:21:27.500 It's what we do.

00:21:28.160 We comment on the news.

00:21:28.720 Sometimes it's provocative.

00:21:29.800 Sometimes it's fun.

00:21:30.740 Sometimes it's confrontational.

00:21:32.840 The stakes before

00:21:33.880 have never been

00:21:34.500 your life,

00:21:35.860 your life.

00:21:36.640 Charlie,

00:21:37.100 everybody knows

00:21:37.940 he's a man of faith.

00:21:38.800 Everybody knows

00:21:39.480 he's a husband.

00:21:40.260 He's a father.

00:21:42.320 Like,

00:21:44.280 the,

00:21:44.540 the event

00:21:45.360 was outdoors

00:21:46.280 and I can't help

00:21:47.380 thinking about

00:21:48.060 the Trump event

00:21:49.320 in Butler,

00:21:50.420 Pennsylvania,

00:21:50.800 which was outdoors

00:21:51.740 and raises a greater

00:21:52.960 risk.

00:21:54.000 You know,

00:21:54.240 Charlie took that risk

00:21:55.300 but you're not thinking

00:21:56.400 as a pundit

00:21:58.020 that your life

00:21:59.160 is on the line.

00:21:59.900 There's a reason

00:22:00.340 Charlie kept doing that

00:22:01.280 after Butler.

00:22:02.720 You know,

00:22:02.980 Mark,

00:22:03.280 we all do these

00:22:04.280 public events.

00:22:04.880 I've been to countless

00:22:06.000 turning point events

00:22:06.940 with Charlie.

00:22:08.020 You don't worry

00:22:08.900 about getting shot.

00:22:10.360 You worry about

00:22:11.140 the great crowds

00:22:12.020 who might make

00:22:13.040 parking difficult.

00:22:14.000 That's the biggest worry

00:22:14.900 you normally have

00:22:15.540 and that's what's,

00:22:16.460 that's what's real.

00:22:17.220 That's what's normal

00:22:17.840 but we're crossing

00:22:19.080 right now

00:22:19.840 into a new reality.

00:22:21.100 So,

00:22:24.380 look,

00:22:25.880 you have,

00:22:26.960 you have of late

00:22:27.840 been something

00:22:28.300 of a hybrid,

00:22:29.140 not just a journalist,

00:22:30.340 not just a commentator.

00:22:31.540 You've appeared

00:22:32.020 at some events,

00:22:32.780 right?

00:22:33.820 Charlie was,

00:22:34.740 was much more

00:22:35.680 of an activist

00:22:36.460 than he was a commentator.

00:22:38.280 So he was

00:22:39.060 a different,

00:22:39.740 a different thing

00:22:40.480 but,

00:22:42.100 but he,

00:22:42.780 he,

00:22:43.180 he was,

00:22:43.840 he was in service

00:22:44.980 of his vision

00:22:47.600 of making the country

00:22:48.440 better

00:22:48.820 and,

00:22:50.780 and he,

00:22:51.660 he,

00:22:51.920 he was already

00:22:52.660 an historical figure.

00:22:53.780 What,

00:22:53.840 what,

00:22:54.120 what troubles me

00:22:55.160 is what you're saying

00:22:55.800 which is,

00:22:56.500 if,

00:22:56.700 if the price

00:22:57.660 to be paid

00:22:58.280 for being on

00:22:58.780 the national town square

00:22:59.600 is you can be killed,

00:23:00.720 that's chilling.

00:23:02.700 But,

00:23:03.580 but if he does

00:23:05.160 not make it

00:23:05.820 and again,

00:23:06.620 I'm just being honest

00:23:07.320 with folks,

00:23:07.880 my inbox,

00:23:08.980 it's not good.

00:23:10.860 If he doesn't make it,

00:23:12.820 we've lost

00:23:13.740 not just a,

00:23:14.420 an incredibly special person

00:23:16.100 and a dad

00:23:16.700 and a husband

00:23:17.420 but we've lost

00:23:18.800 lost someone

00:23:19.260 who was determined

00:23:20.580 to change America.

00:23:22.080 So it's not just

00:23:23.320 you pay a price

00:23:25.100 as a person

00:23:25.900 for being on

00:23:26.540 the national town square

00:23:27.320 and trying to

00:23:27.920 change things.

00:23:30.220 They've taken away

00:23:31.260 if he,

00:23:31.660 if he,

00:23:32.040 if this goes

00:23:32.700 the way it may.

00:23:34.360 Someone has tried

00:23:35.260 to take away,

00:23:35.820 let's put it that way.

00:23:36.540 Someone has tried

00:23:37.220 to take away someone

00:23:38.080 who was really

00:23:39.560 fighting every day

00:23:41.040 to change America

00:23:42.300 for his kids

00:23:43.240 to have a better future

00:23:44.040 as he saw America.

00:23:45.880 That's chilling to me.

00:23:47.940 You know,

00:23:48.580 that's chilling to me.

00:23:49.400 I think the left

00:23:50.300 will chronicle

00:23:51.120 his more hyperbolic

00:23:53.680 and inflammatory

00:23:54.700 statements.

00:23:56.900 And I think,

00:23:58.060 I think that,

00:24:00.120 you know,

00:24:00.820 is it comparable

00:24:01.760 to the,

00:24:02.360 if he does die,

00:24:04.400 the death

00:24:05.360 of Martin Luther King,

00:24:06.220 the assassination

00:24:06.700 of Martin Luther King?

00:24:08.100 I think there's parallels

00:24:09.180 there because

00:24:10.260 I think there are parallels too.

00:24:11.440 Charlie was a visionary

00:24:12.940 for his vision

00:24:14.600 of America

00:24:15.120 and,

00:24:15.620 and,

00:24:16.280 and screw

00:24:17.540 people who said

00:24:18.980 he was in it for money

00:24:19.820 or in it for fame

00:24:21.140 or in it

00:24:22.240 to own the libs.

00:24:23.520 He was in it

00:24:24.500 because he believed

00:24:25.640 passionately

00:24:26.140 about how to change

00:24:26.860 this country

00:24:27.460 to make life

00:24:28.740 better for his kids.

00:24:31.960 Have you guys

00:24:32.700 seen the video I saw?

00:24:34.380 Yeah,

00:24:34.660 I've seen it.

00:24:36.260 I find it hard

00:24:37.260 to believe it's fake

00:24:38.080 because I know

00:24:39.100 the sick mind

00:24:39.800 that would not only fake that,

00:24:41.120 but fake it instantly.

00:24:44.720 So,

00:24:45.200 yeah.

00:24:46.140 If that video is real,

00:24:47.520 there's no way

00:24:48.120 he can survive this.

00:24:49.540 No,

00:24:50.460 no,

00:24:51.260 no.

00:24:54.660 He's an extraordinary guy,

00:24:57.180 but,

00:24:58.100 no.

00:25:00.560 The,

00:25:00.760 the,

00:25:00.840 the shooter

00:25:03.760 shot him

00:25:05.060 from 200 yards away.

00:25:07.620 A spokesperson

00:25:08.140 for Utah Valley University

00:25:09.620 This is tweeted out

00:25:11.260 by Michael Levinson.

00:25:13.500 Eleanor Traynor

00:25:14.300 said that

00:25:14.900 Charlie was struck

00:25:15.780 by a suspect

00:25:16.460 who had fired

00:25:17.180 from the

00:25:17.720 low C center

00:25:19.040 a building

00:25:19.680 about 200 yards away.

00:25:22.480 The suspect

00:25:22.840 had been taken

00:25:23.520 into custody,

00:25:24.640 was not a student.

00:25:25.880 Again,

00:25:26.160 we don't know

00:25:26.780 if it was this man.

00:25:28.300 Let's play the video

00:25:28.940 one more time

00:25:29.680 of the man

00:25:31.520 who is in custody

00:25:32.540 asserting his rights

00:25:33.960 to remain silent.

00:25:35.100 The moment

00:25:49.860 that Trump won,

00:25:52.280 you know,

00:25:52.560 we all had our experiences

00:25:53.500 like some of us

00:25:54.760 were together

00:25:55.140 and

00:25:56.040 it was extraordinary

00:25:58.320 for everybody

00:25:58.980 who wanted Trump

00:25:59.580 to win,

00:25:59.860 but it was really

00:26:00.480 extraordinary

00:26:00.860 for Charlie

00:26:01.500 who had left

00:26:02.060 nothing on the field,

00:26:02.840 nothing on the field, Rich,

00:26:04.900 in trying to get

00:26:05.820 Trump

00:26:06.460 over the line

00:26:07.680 and the youth vote

00:26:09.060 did turn out

00:26:10.580 for a Republican.

00:26:13.720 It just,

00:26:14.740 you know,

00:26:15.180 it just,

00:26:15.760 we'd never seen

00:26:16.480 the margins

00:26:16.960 when it comes to

00:26:18.300 Republican presidential candidates

00:26:19.860 like we saw

00:26:20.540 in 2024

00:26:21.560 with Trump

00:26:22.160 and it was

00:26:22.880 in large part

00:26:23.880 thanks to Charlie Kirk

00:26:24.900 and

00:26:25.980 he came on the show

00:26:27.800 a couple days after

00:26:28.680 and we celebrated together

00:26:29.980 and we talked about

00:26:30.780 that moment

00:26:31.240 when,

00:26:31.700 you know,

00:26:31.860 the networks call it

00:26:32.760 and you know,

00:26:33.500 you know,

00:26:33.780 it's real

00:26:34.240 and

00:26:35.440 we played this soundbite

00:26:37.140 of what happened

00:26:38.100 on Charlie's show.

00:26:39.660 Charlie,

00:26:39.980 who had been

00:26:40.280 all over the nation

00:26:41.100 on every college campus

00:26:42.220 just fighting

00:26:43.100 and fighting

00:26:43.460 and fighting

00:26:43.860 to get every last vote

00:26:44.900 handing out MAGA hats

00:26:45.860 and his reaction

00:26:47.580 when Trump won

00:26:48.320 and here it is.

00:26:51.860 Let's go!

00:26:53.400 There it is.

00:26:54.020 Everybody should remember

00:26:59.960 this moment.

00:27:00.660 Look,

00:27:00.860 I'm going to echo

00:27:01.600 Charlie from earlier.

00:27:03.240 Remember where you were

00:27:04.380 when this happened.

00:27:05.980 Remember where you were

00:27:07.200 when you realized

00:27:08.360 that the Uniparty

00:27:09.940 and all of these,

00:27:10.980 you know,

00:27:11.340 just the establishment,

00:27:13.360 you said it's time

00:27:14.220 to actually participate

00:27:15.440 and look what you guys

00:27:16.680 have done.

00:27:17.860 And if anyone deserves

00:27:19.460 to get tears in his eyes,

00:27:21.080 it's Charlie.

00:27:22.360 I think we all agree.

00:27:23.280 I think Erica

00:27:23.980 has chopped some onions

00:27:24.940 or something

00:27:25.400 in the break room.

00:27:26.680 No one has worked

00:27:27.180 harder than Charlie

00:27:27.880 for this.

00:27:28.560 We got to hear

00:27:29.540 some words here

00:27:30.220 from you, Charlie.

00:27:31.340 You put all this together,

00:27:32.480 my man.

00:27:32.840 Let's hear it.

00:27:33.440 I am just humbled

00:27:34.360 by God.

00:27:36.560 It's all God.

00:27:38.560 It's all God.

00:27:41.800 It just says everything.

00:27:43.140 That's exactly,

00:27:44.500 that's Charlie Kirk

00:27:45.680 in a nutshell.

00:27:46.640 Thanking God,

00:27:48.160 smiling,

00:27:49.320 you know,

00:27:49.640 hands on his face,

00:27:50.420 like the emotion,

00:27:52.140 right?

00:27:52.360 He is an emotional guy

00:27:53.920 in a great way,

00:27:54.600 in a way that shows

00:27:55.560 his fire,

00:27:56.160 his passion,

00:27:56.660 and it's rare

00:27:57.480 you see that kind

00:27:58.360 of emotionality

00:27:59.440 coupled with that level

00:28:00.840 of just being able

00:28:03.080 to articulate

00:28:03.640 your views

00:28:04.220 in the moment

00:28:04.740 passionately

00:28:05.880 and soundly

00:28:06.720 and compellingly.

00:28:09.380 Yeah,

00:28:09.960 again,

00:28:10.400 if you had just

00:28:11.040 seen this opening

00:28:11.820 and had advocated

00:28:13.000 for Trump

00:28:14.080 trying to exploit it,

00:28:15.980 that'd be pretty notable,

00:28:17.420 right?

00:28:17.580 That'd be a significant

00:28:18.920 insight,

00:28:20.780 but he didn't just

00:28:21.520 see it.

00:28:22.340 He helped open it up

00:28:23.480 himself with his

00:28:24.420 organization,

00:28:25.920 with his appearances,

00:28:26.720 and then helped Trump

00:28:28.080 run through that opening.

00:28:31.080 So it was a massive

00:28:32.380 contribution.

00:28:34.720 And again,

00:28:36.200 perspective 10 years ago,

00:28:37.660 Republican candidates

00:28:38.440 made inroads

00:28:39.060 among the youth vote.

00:28:40.240 Oh,

00:28:40.580 okay,

00:28:40.960 Paul Ryan has kind

00:28:42.160 of softened

00:28:43.120 our socially conservative

00:28:44.200 message and appealed

00:28:45.780 to young people that way.

00:28:46.600 No,

00:28:47.000 this was totally

00:28:47.680 the opposite

00:28:48.320 of what conventional

00:28:50.000 wisdom said

00:28:50.520 for a very long time

00:28:51.940 was the way to appeal

00:28:52.920 to young people.

00:28:54.860 So it's just

00:28:56.000 a massive contribution.

00:28:58.780 But I just fear again,

00:29:00.000 Megan,

00:29:00.380 that the clips

00:29:02.260 you watch

00:29:03.240 of this horrific

00:29:05.160 shooting,

00:29:07.260 one moment

00:29:07.880 we're in one world,

00:29:09.140 he's sitting there,

00:29:10.020 he's taking questions,

00:29:10.940 he's answering them,

00:29:11.880 there's a crowd.

00:29:12.640 They might agree,

00:29:13.320 they might disagree,

00:29:14.420 they're there,

00:29:15.020 you know,

00:29:15.300 it looked like

00:29:15.780 a little incline

00:29:16.460 like a hillside,

00:29:17.320 you know,

00:29:17.500 this is how

00:29:17.960 democracy started

00:29:19.160 in Athens,

00:29:19.820 literally,

00:29:20.260 you sit on a hillside

00:29:21.480 and you argue things out.

00:29:22.560 That's the way

00:29:22.860 it's supposed to work,

00:29:23.820 right?

00:29:24.120 This is a thread

00:29:25.840 that runs through

00:29:26.420 Western civilization

00:29:27.140 for millennia.

00:29:28.560 And then the next moment,

00:29:29.900 a shot,

00:29:31.140 he's slouched

00:29:31.980 behind that chair

00:29:34.400 and people are running

00:29:35.360 in fear.

00:29:36.220 And I fear that

00:29:36.820 we're now in the

00:29:37.480 running in fear world.

00:29:38.980 And if nothing else happens,

00:29:39.960 if there are no repercussions

00:29:40.800 from this,

00:29:41.280 if there's no retaliation,

00:29:42.380 if there's no copycat,

00:29:43.380 it still means

00:29:44.680 every commentator

00:29:46.920 with some significant

00:29:48.280 prominence

00:29:49.500 has to do events

00:29:50.860 with security

00:29:51.740 like a principal,

00:29:54.280 you know,

00:29:54.540 like a vice president

00:29:55.700 or like a cabinet official,

00:29:57.500 the mags

00:29:58.240 and the security lines

00:29:59.660 and the whole thing

00:30:00.660 because they're,

00:30:01.480 we talked about this

00:30:02.520 with the Charlotte killing

00:30:03.440 because now there's

00:30:04.720 that whisper of fear

00:30:05.820 that in a free society

00:30:07.560 and a society

00:30:08.940 true to our ideals,

00:30:10.400 no one should have.

00:30:11.260 It should never

00:30:12.020 enter your mind

00:30:12.800 that you can be out there

00:30:13.860 openly,

00:30:15.020 fiercely,

00:30:15.900 you know,

00:30:16.380 making your case

00:30:17.700 and you have to worry

00:30:18.640 about a hideous act

00:30:19.860 of violence

00:30:20.260 being perpetrated

00:30:21.040 against you.

00:30:21.760 But now,

00:30:22.360 now everyone has

00:30:23.300 to think about it.

00:30:25.020 Mark,

00:30:25.500 I can't help but think

00:30:26.900 as I see these videos

00:30:28.200 online about

00:30:29.200 the parallels

00:30:30.160 between what just

00:30:31.100 happened to Charlie

00:30:31.740 and what happened

00:30:32.480 in Charlotte.

00:30:34.360 You know,

00:30:35.140 like the video

00:30:36.320 of that poor

00:30:37.320 Ukrainian refugee

00:30:38.360 after this random

00:30:40.640 stranger stabs her

00:30:41.900 in the neck

00:30:42.480 and she's confused

00:30:44.680 and she goes down,

00:30:45.680 she crumbles down

00:30:46.440 to the floor

00:30:46.880 and then you see

00:30:47.500 just a ton of blood

00:30:49.840 spill out

00:30:50.500 on the subway floor

00:30:52.820 in bright red,

00:30:54.180 just copious amounts.

00:30:57.500 Charlie got shot,

00:30:58.220 it looked to me

00:30:58.760 in the same spot.

00:30:59.800 It looked like

00:31:00.260 it was on that,

00:31:01.080 it was the left side

00:31:01.880 of his neck

00:31:02.460 and the blood

00:31:04.520 that poured out

00:31:05.420 on that video,

00:31:06.180 I will never forget

00:31:06.920 as long as I live

00:31:07.700 and I hope I never

00:31:08.800 have to see it again

00:31:09.540 and I don't recommend

00:31:10.280 people look it up.

00:31:12.900 It's the same thing

00:31:14.060 in a way

00:31:14.440 in that it's a,

00:31:16.300 it's not exactly

00:31:17.040 a random act

00:31:17.980 of violence

00:31:18.420 but it's a senseless

00:31:19.980 act of violence

00:31:21.400 that takes someone

00:31:22.900 so young

00:31:24.180 and promising.

00:31:25.900 In the case

00:31:26.500 of Charlie Kirk,

00:31:27.420 a truly important

00:31:29.040 national figure,

00:31:30.940 entirely of his own making,

00:31:33.120 31 years old,

00:31:34.740 no formal education,

00:31:36.080 no connections

00:31:37.200 to anyone,

00:31:38.520 nothing,

00:31:39.220 nothing to give him

00:31:40.000 a head start,

00:31:40.700 just pure tenacity

00:31:42.020 and willingness

00:31:42.840 to work hard

00:31:43.600 and a God-given ability

00:31:45.180 to communicate

00:31:46.360 and express himself

00:31:47.800 in a way

00:31:48.320 that literally drew

00:31:49.720 the attention

00:31:50.240 of millions.

00:31:52.400 I mean,

00:31:52.720 I,

00:31:53.140 I'm worried about my kids,

00:31:55.420 they love him.

00:31:56.760 He's so important

00:31:57.800 to young,

00:31:58.880 young voters,

00:32:00.160 yes,

00:32:00.400 but young kids,

00:32:01.360 high schoolers,

00:32:02.540 you know,

00:32:02.840 my middle schooler

00:32:03.980 knows who Charlie Kirk is

00:32:05.120 and totally admires him.

00:32:06.260 My kids were dying

00:32:07.700 to go with me

00:32:08.240 to a Turning Point event,

00:32:09.240 you know,

00:32:09.380 they're a little young

00:32:10.100 but we were definitely

00:32:11.720 going to do it.

00:32:12.340 They,

00:32:12.520 they looked up to him

00:32:13.560 and he's a,

00:32:13.900 he's a hero

00:32:14.560 to so many genuinely

00:32:16.340 young kids,

00:32:17.040 I mean,

00:32:17.560 teenagers,

00:32:18.220 this,

00:32:18.760 this is going to have

00:32:19.780 such an effect

00:32:22.420 on so many people

00:32:23.580 from 80 years old

00:32:25.900 to our 80-year-old

00:32:27.300 president on down.

00:32:29.680 Yeah,

00:32:30.140 you'll recall

00:32:30.680 that Gavin Newsom

00:32:31.500 said at the beginning.

00:32:34.520 I was interviewed

00:32:35.280 with Charlie.

00:32:36.840 Gavin Newsom said,

00:32:37.560 my son's all excited

00:32:38.620 that I'm interviewing.

00:32:41.240 He's an historical figure

00:32:42.440 already

00:32:42.880 for the reasons

00:32:43.580 you said,

00:32:45.060 but think about

00:32:45.920 how many years

00:32:46.640 he has left.

00:32:47.760 Think,

00:32:47.940 think,

00:32:48.340 think all the opportunities

00:32:49.440 he has to help

00:32:50.460 continue to change

00:32:51.260 the world

00:32:51.620 and I've joked

00:32:53.020 with him before

00:32:53.660 that he's just

00:32:55.260 young enough now

00:32:56.080 for teenagers

00:32:57.020 to think he's cool

00:32:57.820 but what would like

00:32:58.400 a 50-year-old

00:32:59.200 Charlie Kirk be like

00:33:00.060 when he continue

00:33:00.660 to appeal to young kids

00:33:02.160 the way he has

00:33:02.820 but no one's like him.

00:33:04.520 There's no one like him

00:33:05.360 in either party

00:33:06.000 and I did a long interview

00:33:07.720 with him about that topic

00:33:08.780 and he's a modest guy

00:33:11.480 so he didn't really

00:33:12.180 want to cooperate

00:33:13.080 but I dragged him into it

00:33:14.460 and we talked about

00:33:15.860 how there's no one like him.

00:33:17.120 There's no one like him

00:33:17.700 not just in the Democratic Party,

00:33:19.300 there's no one else like him

00:33:20.020 in the Republican Party

00:33:20.900 in his capacity

00:33:22.880 to be multidisciplinary,

00:33:26.400 to do content,

00:33:27.520 to travel,

00:33:28.440 to write,

00:33:28.900 to organize

00:33:31.460 and to work in coalition

00:33:34.900 with the President

00:33:35.780 of the United States.

00:33:39.200 There's also the fact

00:33:40.940 that although he was so mature,

00:33:43.760 we all,

00:33:44.280 you know,

00:33:44.460 he regularly called,

00:33:45.540 you know,

00:33:45.700 an old person

00:33:46.740 in a young person's body.

00:33:49.640 In my interview

00:33:50.400 with him yesterday,

00:33:51.100 we talked about South Park

00:33:52.620 which has just done

00:33:53.440 a send-up of Charlie

00:33:55.040 and I wondered

00:33:56.340 whether it'd be okay

00:33:56.980 to play for him.

00:33:57.820 You know,

00:33:58.100 I didn't want to piss him off

00:33:59.060 if he didn't like it

00:34:00.320 but he wasn't that big

00:34:01.740 a South Park fan

00:34:02.480 but he,

00:34:02.840 you know,

00:34:03.100 he thought it was funny.

00:34:03.860 He thought it was hilarious.

00:34:04.560 He loved the recognition

00:34:06.060 of it

00:34:06.980 and this is someone

00:34:10.760 who understood politics

00:34:13.560 and campaigns

00:34:14.560 and the minutiae

00:34:15.240 of those things

00:34:15.920 but he understood

00:34:16.840 the culture

00:34:17.400 as well as anyone I know.

00:34:18.860 he understood

00:34:19.260 the culture of America

00:34:20.220 and he continues

00:34:21.520 to be a leading figure.

00:34:23.600 You know,

00:34:23.760 regardless of age,

00:34:25.300 he understands culture

00:34:26.540 and that's so powerful

00:34:28.340 and wise beyond his ears

00:34:30.420 and understanding

00:34:30.920 American culture.

00:34:32.160 He must live.

00:34:33.120 I'll say this.

00:34:33.640 He must live.

00:34:34.980 He must live

00:34:35.500 because his loss

00:34:36.600 would hit too many people

00:34:38.640 too hard.

00:34:39.060 I'll just say one more thing.

00:34:40.140 You talked about

00:34:40.780 the pictures from Charlotte.

00:34:42.700 It's,

00:34:42.900 psychologists

00:34:44.100 and others,

00:34:45.020 philosophers

00:34:45.320 have studied this for years

00:34:46.320 is the impact

00:34:47.440 of upsetting

00:34:49.060 visual images

00:34:49.800 on all of us.

00:34:50.840 I've just been so taken

00:34:52.040 in the last 48 hours

00:34:53.420 by how people have reacted

00:34:55.260 to that video

00:34:56.440 from the light rail.

00:35:00.200 These videos of Charlie,

00:35:02.380 it's going to have

00:35:03.060 a monumental impact

00:35:04.700 on people.

00:35:05.880 It's going to have

00:35:06.240 a monumental impact,

00:35:07.320 incalculable.

00:35:09.220 Kids are seeing it right now.

00:35:10.600 But they're going to be linked.

00:35:11.360 But they're going to be,

00:35:12.000 those two images

00:35:12.640 are going to be linked

00:35:13.240 in history.

00:35:14.300 Yeah.

00:35:15.240 I,

00:35:15.500 I don't,

00:35:17.600 you know,

00:35:18.340 in,

00:35:18.580 in the early moments

00:35:20.300 of a shooting like this,

00:35:21.280 an event like this,

00:35:22.220 information is constantly

00:35:23.360 circulated that is bad

00:35:24.680 and we've all been

00:35:25.960 burned by it.

00:35:27.120 We don't have any

00:35:28.180 official word

00:35:28.820 on how Charlie is doing.

00:35:30.580 I will say

00:35:31.660 for whatever it's worth,

00:35:33.660 Glenn Beck

00:35:34.200 just tweeted out

00:35:35.900 that he's getting word

00:35:36.900 Charlie's been stabilized

00:35:38.320 and says

00:35:39.920 he prays it's true.

00:35:41.540 I do not know

00:35:42.600 whether that is true.

00:35:43.320 If it's true,

00:35:44.240 it is a miracle.

00:35:45.500 As Glenn writes

00:35:46.380 in his tweet,

00:35:47.060 if it's true,

00:35:47.660 it's a second miracle.

00:35:48.940 First Trump

00:35:49.540 and then God willing,

00:35:51.440 Charlie.

00:35:52.060 I don't,

00:35:52.900 I don't know.

00:35:53.760 May I say,

00:35:54.460 I'm sorry.

00:35:55.200 I'm sorry.

00:35:55.660 Yeah,

00:35:55.880 please go ahead,

00:35:56.600 Mark.

00:35:56.820 Sorry.

00:35:58.020 I've twice now

00:35:58.660 talked about him

00:35:59.160 in the past tense

00:35:59.880 and I pray

00:36:00.960 and look forward

00:36:01.860 to the day

00:36:02.320 when I can joke

00:36:03.480 with him about that.

00:36:04.980 I'm sorry about it.

00:36:07.100 Yeah.

00:36:08.700 We're hoping,

00:36:09.460 we're hoping

00:36:10.040 you have that moment.

00:36:10.660 I mean,

00:36:11.540 he was brought

00:36:12.040 to the emergency center

00:36:13.480 or to the hospital.

00:36:14.120 I don't know

00:36:14.500 how close it was.

00:36:16.380 Utah,

00:36:18.380 they have,

00:36:19.180 they definitely have

00:36:19.820 some level one trauma centers

00:36:20.900 in Utah.

00:36:21.280 I know this

00:36:21.960 from having skied

00:36:23.200 out in the area.

00:36:25.320 So there's,

00:36:26.560 there's a chance,

00:36:27.540 you know,

00:36:27.760 there's a chance

00:36:28.340 with security

00:36:28.960 right there

00:36:29.700 and being on

00:36:30.700 a university campus

00:36:31.660 with potentially,

00:36:32.500 you know,

00:36:33.720 ambulances

00:36:34.260 not too far away

00:36:35.220 or emergency kits

00:36:36.320 not too far away.

00:36:36.980 there's a chance.

00:36:40.540 I don't know.

00:36:41.280 We just don't have

00:36:41.800 the answers

00:36:42.180 and we don't want

00:36:42.560 to get ahead

00:36:42.860 of ourselves.

00:36:43.520 We're praying for him.

00:36:44.540 That's,

00:36:44.900 that's what we can do

00:36:45.580 right now,

00:36:46.000 Rich.

00:36:46.200 We can pray for him.

00:36:47.860 The,

00:36:48.340 there was an eyewitness

00:36:50.140 to it.

00:36:51.500 His name is

00:36:52.340 Justin Hickens.

00:36:53.340 He spoke with NBC News.

00:36:54.780 He says he was

00:36:55.380 20 yards away.

00:36:56.780 He also witnessed

00:36:57.620 the arrest

00:36:58.100 of the suspect.

00:36:58.680 We're going to

00:36:59.640 take a look

00:37:00.040 at that testimonial here.

00:37:01.160 I was about 20 yards

00:37:04.320 away on Charlie's left.

00:37:06.960 I had gotten there

00:37:07.880 probably just a few

00:37:08.720 minutes before noon.

00:37:09.980 It was,

00:37:10.400 there were thousands

00:37:11.120 of people there.

00:37:12.880 Unfortunately,

00:37:13.440 there was no metal detectors.

00:37:16.220 There was no,

00:37:17.120 I mean,

00:37:17.560 there was security

00:37:18.420 by Charlie,

00:37:19.280 but, you know,

00:37:20.420 anybody could have

00:37:21.180 shown up with whatever,

00:37:22.640 unfortunately.

00:37:23.120 And I,

00:37:23.620 I happened to kind of

00:37:24.740 maneuver my way

00:37:25.520 down close on the side.

00:37:27.640 And the first interaction

00:37:29.300 probably took about

00:37:30.160 10 minutes.

00:37:31.160 It was a,

00:37:31.940 a religious-related

00:37:33.120 exchange.

00:37:34.700 And then,

00:37:35.440 um,

00:37:35.760 there was someone

00:37:36.240 who stepped up,

00:37:37.120 uh,

00:37:37.460 ironically,

00:37:38.820 coincidentally,

00:37:39.700 who asked a question

00:37:40.900 about mass shootings.

00:37:42.840 And about 60 to 90

00:37:44.380 seconds in,

00:37:45.120 we just saw,

00:37:46.120 we heard a big,

00:37:46.840 loud shot.

00:37:47.540 I saw a bunch of blood

00:37:48.440 come out of,

00:37:49.080 out of Charlie.

00:37:50.360 I saw his body

00:37:51.180 kind of kick back

00:37:52.160 and go limp.

00:37:52.980 And, um,

00:37:53.800 everybody dropped

00:37:54.560 to the ground.

00:37:55.660 And, uh,

00:37:56.580 luckily there were

00:37:57.280 no other bullets

00:37:57.980 sprayed into the crowd

00:37:59.060 because nobody was

00:38:00.560 really able to go

00:38:01.620 anywhere.

00:38:01.900 It was just like a big,

00:38:02.880 yeah,

00:38:03.660 you know,

00:38:03.920 open pavilion,

00:38:05.120 amphitheater,

00:38:06.020 outdoor venue.

00:38:08.080 And, uh,

00:38:09.140 you know,

00:38:09.440 lots of screaming,

00:38:10.360 lots of yelling,

00:38:11.020 uh, you know,

00:38:12.100 lots of bodies on top

00:38:13.220 of each other.

00:38:13.840 And, uh,

00:38:15.040 after a couple minutes

00:38:16.060 people got up

00:38:17.100 and started kind of

00:38:18.580 running,

00:38:19.240 you know,

00:38:19.520 getting out of there.

00:38:20.260 There were some,

00:38:20.740 some gates,

00:38:21.860 some barriers

00:38:22.440 that had been pushed

00:38:23.340 aside and knocked over

00:38:24.600 and people were able

00:38:25.780 to move.

00:38:26.900 And, uh,

00:38:27.620 I started to move

00:38:29.460 quickly and then

00:38:30.340 kind of realized

00:38:31.060 that I said,

00:38:31.820 you know,

00:38:31.980 I think,

00:38:32.880 I think we're okay.

00:38:33.640 And I kind of

00:38:34.400 stopped,

00:38:35.440 stopped walking away

00:38:36.520 and I kind of

00:38:37.060 turned around

00:38:37.680 and all of a sudden

00:38:38.420 I saw officers

00:38:39.200 walking with this

00:38:40.140 very elderly gentleman

00:38:42.140 with white hair

00:38:43.720 and, uh,

00:38:44.840 they had him arrested,

00:38:46.480 had him on his knees.

00:38:47.640 He was screaming

00:38:48.540 about, uh,

00:38:49.780 you know,

00:38:50.000 his rights

00:38:50.660 and, and all that stuff.

00:38:52.180 And they,

00:38:52.580 they cuffed him

00:38:53.220 and put him away.

00:38:53.880 And, and, uh,

00:38:55.340 you know,

00:38:55.640 about 20, 30 other people

00:38:57.580 just said,

00:38:58.220 yeah, that's the guy.

00:38:59.100 That's the,

00:38:59.540 that was the shooter.

00:39:00.920 And, uh,

00:39:01.820 people had,

00:39:02.720 people had said

00:39:04.360 that they had seen

00:39:05.020 him there early.

00:39:05.880 He got,

00:39:06.340 he got to the event

00:39:07.120 really early,

00:39:08.080 was kind of walking around,

00:39:09.380 talking to a lot of people,

00:39:11.060 just this elderly gentleman,

00:39:12.120 but that's all I got.

00:39:16.180 That was a lot of information

00:39:17.420 in there.

00:39:18.180 Um,

00:39:18.600 I think he said that,

00:39:19.720 that one of the things

00:39:20.560 they discussed

00:39:21.020 was a mass shooting

00:39:22.100 at the top,

00:39:22.780 um,

00:39:23.800 at the event.

00:39:25.080 I do want to update

00:39:26.280 that the Associated Press

00:39:28.140 is reporting

00:39:28.780 that Charlie's

00:39:29.400 in critical condition

00:39:30.240 at a hospital

00:39:30.820 after being shot

00:39:31.680 at Utah Valley University.

00:39:33.880 Pray God,

00:39:34.560 that's true.

00:39:35.540 Pray God,

00:39:35.940 he has not died

00:39:36.820 and that he's

00:39:37.840 in critical condition

00:39:38.620 and comes out

00:39:39.200 of critical condition.

00:39:40.060 The thing is,

00:39:40.900 Rich,

00:39:41.140 one thing you can say

00:39:42.560 about Charlie

00:39:43.140 is he's tough.

00:39:44.640 He's as tough

00:39:45.320 as they come.

00:39:46.300 He's young.

00:39:47.200 He's healthy.

00:39:48.040 He's on the road

00:39:48.780 all the time.

00:39:50.240 You know,

00:39:50.540 he,

00:39:52.300 he,

00:39:52.700 if anybody has a chance,

00:39:54.240 it's Charlie.

00:39:55.120 You know,

00:39:55.400 he's strong.

00:39:56.300 He's strong in character,

00:39:57.660 in will,

00:39:58.520 in his mental fortitude

00:40:00.480 and he's physically

00:40:01.240 and he's physically

00:40:01.260 strong too

00:40:01.960 and so maybe

00:40:03.820 there is a chance.

00:40:04.860 Maybe,

00:40:05.500 maybe he does

00:40:06.300 come out of this.

00:40:07.940 Yeah,

00:40:08.440 well,

00:40:08.900 we'll hope

00:40:10.400 and keep praying.

00:40:11.480 I mean,

00:40:11.700 prayer is the most

00:40:12.660 powerful tool we have.

00:40:14.840 I was just struck

00:40:15.480 in that clip,

00:40:16.980 Megan,

00:40:17.400 again,

00:40:18.100 thousands of people

00:40:19.060 on a,

00:40:19.860 on a Wednesday afternoon

00:40:21.380 at Utah Valley University.

00:40:23.360 It's amazing

00:40:24.180 and,

00:40:24.520 and everyone

00:40:25.700 on either side

00:40:26.980 should be glad

00:40:27.540 it's happening,

00:40:28.360 right?

00:40:28.980 That,

00:40:29.140 that's civic engagement,

00:40:30.400 right?

00:40:30.600 That's civic dialogue,

00:40:31.760 whatever euphemistic

00:40:33.340 kind of goo goo phrase

00:40:34.240 you want to use for it,

00:40:35.040 but it's good,

00:40:35.860 right?

00:40:36.160 It's,

00:40:36.380 it's a profoundly good thing

00:40:37.880 and then also struck

00:40:38.820 in the same vein,

00:40:40.840 10 minutes on the first question

00:40:42.240 and answer,

00:40:42.960 what is that?

00:40:43.840 Right?

00:40:44.180 That's,

00:40:44.400 that's give and take.

00:40:45.520 That's,

00:40:45.920 that's argument.

00:40:46.800 That's persuasion.

00:40:48.180 It's,

00:40:48.500 it's how it's supposed to,

00:40:49.840 supposed to happen.

00:40:53.140 So,

00:40:53.780 it's just,

00:40:56.120 again,

00:40:56.680 I,

00:40:56.940 the,

00:40:57.280 there are almost no words.

00:40:58.400 It's just devastating

00:40:59.340 in,

00:40:59.720 in every,

00:41:00.720 every respect.

00:41:02.160 Rich,

00:41:02.640 we're getting together

00:41:03.180 too frequently

00:41:04.140 to talk about

00:41:05.180 people we care about

00:41:06.920 in the public eye

00:41:07.540 getting shot.

00:41:08.380 It's,

00:41:08.700 this is,

00:41:09.840 this is,

00:41:10.180 yeah,

00:41:10.400 I,

00:41:10.820 and I think just,

00:41:11.600 you know,

00:41:11.800 Mark was making

00:41:12.560 a comparison,

00:41:14.380 you know,

00:41:14.580 the late 60s

00:41:15.660 in today's terms,

00:41:17.780 what,

00:41:18.280 what,

00:41:18.560 what would be more

00:41:19.260 politically resonant

00:41:20.820 assassination attempt?

00:41:23.740 You know,

00:41:24.100 Trump,

00:41:24.800 Vance,

00:41:25.320 a couple cabinet officials,

00:41:26.600 top cabinet officials,

00:41:27.660 I'm not sure there,

00:41:28.500 there'd be another one

00:41:29.360 that,

00:41:29.720 that would have

00:41:30.120 the sort of

00:41:30.540 political resonance

00:41:31.460 that this,

00:41:33.500 this act does.

00:41:35.400 Yeah.

00:41:36.600 Yeah.

00:41:38.640 I'll let you go.

00:41:39.480 Thank you so much,

00:41:40.200 Rich.

00:41:40.520 Always appreciate you

00:41:41.300 coming on.

00:41:41.880 You're such a good

00:41:42.360 friend of the show.

00:41:43.140 Lots of love.

00:41:43.840 We'll round back up

00:41:44.480 when we have more news.

00:41:46.540 We,

00:41:47.040 we have Victor Davis Hanson

00:41:48.760 coming on.

00:41:49.380 We have Glenn

00:41:49.820 back here too.

00:41:50.580 both friends of Charlie

00:41:52.640 and friends of the show.

00:41:53.700 And if this is just,

00:41:56.300 everyone's feeling

00:41:57.060 what we're feeling,

00:41:57.880 just absolute devastation

00:41:59.320 at this news.

00:41:59.960 As we know it,

00:42:00.900 Charlie Kirk has been shot,

00:42:02.180 shot in the neck

00:42:03.060 at an event

00:42:03.760 on a university campus

00:42:05.460 in Utah,

00:42:06.280 taken away to a hospital.

00:42:08.160 The AP is reporting

00:42:09.340 he's listed

00:42:10.120 in critical condition,

00:42:11.640 which is something

00:42:13.000 because we worried

00:42:14.120 that he was

00:42:14.820 dead on,

00:42:16.180 on the spot.

00:42:16.860 If you take a look

00:42:17.560 at the videos,

00:42:18.120 it certainly looks like

00:42:19.300 that could have been

00:42:19.820 an outcome,

00:42:20.420 but it's better.

00:42:21.300 It's better than that

00:42:22.200 at least.

00:42:23.960 Glenn,

00:42:25.080 start with you.

00:42:25.720 Thank you for being here.

00:42:26.640 You're,

00:42:27.040 I just read your tweet

00:42:27.740 to the audience.

00:42:28.960 Are you hearing that

00:42:30.000 from people who are

00:42:30.660 in a position to know

00:42:31.660 that,

00:42:31.960 that Charlie

00:42:32.580 isn't,

00:42:34.760 that he's alive

00:42:35.380 and that he's in critical?

00:42:36.960 I am.

00:42:41.720 I spoke to somebody

00:42:42.880 in a position

00:42:43.520 who knows

00:42:44.020 who said

00:42:44.460 he has a pulse.

00:42:49.300 so that's

00:42:51.920 good news.

00:42:53.360 Good news.

00:42:56.620 I have to tell you

00:42:57.900 me,

00:42:58.340 I,

00:42:58.580 my,

00:42:59.840 my daughter

00:43:00.840 was at the tent.

00:43:03.500 She's 19 years old.

00:43:05.460 Oh,

00:43:05.820 God.

00:43:07.160 And

00:43:07.680 she's on her way

00:43:12.240 home now.

00:43:13.340 but

00:43:15.260 this,

00:43:18.780 this is,

00:43:19.520 you know,

00:43:21.940 I,

00:43:22.220 I know you can relate

00:43:23.200 to this.

00:43:23.620 I have two friends

00:43:24.480 now that have been,

00:43:26.020 that people have tried

00:43:27.140 to assassinate.

00:43:30.080 I,

00:43:30.920 we don't live

00:43:31.900 in those kinds

00:43:32.580 of times.

00:43:33.340 You have to go back

00:43:34.420 to the 60s

00:43:35.220 to live in those

00:43:35.920 kinds of times.

00:43:37.720 And

00:43:38.240 quite honestly,

00:43:39.740 I am,

00:43:40.120 you know,

00:43:40.320 my first reaction

00:43:41.540 to this,

00:43:42.220 besides

00:43:42.880 the profound

00:43:47.340 sadness

00:43:47.980 for Charlie

00:43:48.640 and his family

00:43:50.020 is

00:43:52.940 strangely

00:43:55.680 forgiveness.

00:43:57.600 And I,

00:43:58.100 boy,

00:43:58.340 I don't want to.

00:43:59.580 I am so

00:44:00.500 angry.

00:44:02.200 And,

00:44:02.680 you know,

00:44:03.080 when I saw the guy

00:44:04.200 who apparently

00:44:05.520 did it,

00:44:06.280 my first thought

00:44:07.300 was,

00:44:07.620 you effing

00:44:08.300 hippies.

00:44:08.980 you have

00:44:10.300 been destroying

00:44:11.940 this country

00:44:12.980 for so many

00:44:14.560 years,

00:44:15.220 and you still

00:44:16.700 are hanging on

00:44:17.760 and trying to

00:44:18.580 control everything.

00:44:19.560 And I am so

00:44:20.600 angry

00:44:21.400 at those

00:44:23.460 people,

00:44:24.320 if that is

00:44:25.800 the shooter

00:44:26.320 indeed.

00:44:27.320 But

00:44:27.860 we have got

00:44:29.800 to get

00:44:30.240 serious

00:44:30.860 about

00:44:31.860 the

00:44:33.860 significant

00:44:34.740 enemies

00:44:35.460 that are

00:44:36.200 within

00:44:36.760 our

00:44:37.400 country.

00:44:38.860 Yeah.

00:44:39.760 And

00:44:40.100 we need

00:44:41.100 information

00:44:41.540 about this

00:44:41.960 man,

00:44:42.260 and we

00:44:42.500 need it

00:44:42.940 immediately.

00:44:44.420 Immediately.

00:44:45.580 Immediately.

00:44:46.640 And we'll

00:44:47.680 get it

00:44:48.060 with this

00:44:48.520 FBI,

00:44:49.060 Victor.

00:44:49.400 Thank you

00:44:49.940 too for being

00:44:50.540 here.

00:44:50.760 We'll get

00:44:51.080 it with

00:44:51.320 this

00:44:51.480 FBI.

00:44:52.460 Victor

00:44:52.760 Davis Hanson.

00:44:54.300 Yes.

00:44:55.560 Thoughts on

00:44:56.120 this?

00:44:56.360 I don't

00:44:58.740 want to

00:44:58.900 be

00:44:59.060 partisan,

00:44:59.860 but when

00:45:00.080 you look

00:45:00.360 at the

00:45:00.620 Scalise

00:45:01.020 shootings

00:45:01.520 and the

00:45:01.940 two

00:45:02.140 attempts

00:45:02.680 on

00:45:03.280 Donald

00:45:03.580 Trump

00:45:04.000 and

00:45:04.880 Luigi

00:45:05.240 Mangione,

00:45:06.500 you get

00:45:08.200 the idea

00:45:08.660 that the

00:45:09.140 left

00:45:09.440 feels

00:45:11.020 that they're

00:45:11.420 so morally

00:45:12.020 superior

00:45:12.600 and intellectually

00:45:13.400 superior

00:45:14.200 that almost

00:45:15.200 any means

00:45:15.780 necessary,

00:45:16.920 and especially

00:45:17.900 the reaction

00:45:18.580 to these

00:45:19.020 things.

00:45:20.180 When

00:45:20.740 Trump was

00:45:21.200 almost killed,

00:45:21.860 you looked

00:45:22.140 at the

00:45:22.420 social media,

00:45:23.540 and when

00:45:23.820 you,

00:45:24.920 when the

00:45:25.460 Luigi

00:45:25.800 Mangione

00:45:26.460 was

00:45:26.800 canonized

00:45:27.740 after he

00:45:28.240 killed a

00:45:28.860 man who

00:45:29.240 had worked

00:45:29.800 his way

00:45:30.120 up from

00:45:30.380 the middle

00:45:30.640 class to

00:45:31.280 be a

00:45:31.560 CEO.

00:45:33.180 So,

00:45:34.120 I think

00:45:35.240 it doesn't

00:45:35.960 do any

00:45:36.480 good to

00:45:36.880 just say

00:45:37.420 this is

00:45:38.040 violence,

00:45:39.180 and we've

00:45:39.580 got to

00:45:39.820 just stop

00:45:40.280 the violence.

00:45:40.840 This is

00:45:41.140 coming from

00:45:41.700 one particular

00:45:42.460 side who's

00:45:43.700 justified it

00:45:44.400 because they

00:45:44.840 think that

00:45:46.360 Trump and

00:45:46.860 his supporters

00:45:47.400 represent an

00:45:48.120 existential evil,

00:45:49.260 and then if

00:45:49.920 you keep

00:45:50.260 telling everybody

00:45:51.140 that Trump

00:45:51.600 is a fascist

00:45:52.460 and he is

00:45:52.860 a Nazi,

00:45:53.580 then they

00:45:54.400 feel that

00:45:54.920 they're going

00:45:55.220 to be

00:45:55.480 heroic.

00:45:56.860 I think

00:45:57.340 we saw

00:45:57.720 that with

00:45:58.000 a second

00:45:58.440 assassination

00:45:59.940 attempt on

00:46:00.600 Trump.

00:46:00.900 The other

00:46:01.140 thing is,

00:46:02.160 Megan,

00:46:02.440 very quickly,

00:46:03.240 it marks

00:46:03.840 kind of we

00:46:04.420 crossed the

00:46:04.920 Rubicon because

00:46:05.740 it was sort

00:46:06.500 of known

00:46:07.080 that journalists

00:46:08.120 or people

00:46:09.500 who were in

00:46:10.360 opinion journalism

00:46:11.800 on both sides

00:46:12.940 were exempt,

00:46:14.320 and we

00:46:14.620 didn't.

00:46:14.980 I know all

00:46:15.460 of us,

00:46:15.840 you probably

00:46:16.320 more than I,

00:46:16.960 but if you

00:46:17.240 go to an

00:46:17.560 airport,

00:46:18.060 one out of

00:46:18.440 20 people

00:46:19.000 wants to

00:46:19.560 confront you,

00:46:21.140 but there

00:46:21.940 wasn't anybody

00:46:22.700 really of a,

00:46:23.560 it's not

00:46:24.960 common in the

00:46:25.560 United States

00:46:26.080 to go after

00:46:26.560 journalists.

00:46:27.120 That's what

00:46:27.400 Charlie was.

00:46:28.080 He wasn't just

00:46:28.500 an activist,

00:46:29.020 he was a

00:46:29.560 journalist,

00:46:30.200 and he wrote,

00:46:31.340 and he was

00:46:31.820 very good at it,

00:46:33.320 but the idea

00:46:33.820 that now you

00:46:34.460 go after the

00:46:35.260 people who

00:46:35.880 deliver information,

00:46:37.880 that's kind of a

00:46:38.640 new thing that

00:46:40.040 they have.

00:46:40.400 And I just

00:46:41.960 know in the

00:46:42.360 last three

00:46:43.640 months,

00:46:44.140 I live out

00:46:44.700 in kind of

00:46:45.200 a rural

00:46:45.540 area,

00:46:45.860 I've been

00:46:46.160 swatted

00:46:46.640 with sheriffs

00:46:47.820 that armed,

00:46:48.700 said there was

00:46:49.240 an intruder,

00:46:49.820 there wasn't,

00:46:50.360 they came

00:46:50.780 armed to my

00:46:51.360 door.

00:46:52.420 I've had

00:46:52.980 $90,000

00:46:53.940 drained out

00:46:54.840 of all my

00:46:55.520 bank accounts

00:46:56.380 by hackers,

00:46:58.200 and I think

00:46:58.740 we're reaching

00:46:59.740 a level now

00:47:01.300 with the

00:47:01.760 vituperation,

00:47:03.580 and we saw

00:47:04.160 that with the

00:47:04.840 shooting on

00:47:05.360 the rail,

00:47:06.620 I mean the

00:47:07.040 killing of

00:47:08.140 our young

00:47:09.460 immigrant,

00:47:10.400 shot,

00:47:11.320 yes,

00:47:11.800 and when

00:47:12.740 you start

00:47:13.160 to collate

00:47:13.820 all the

00:47:14.320 things that

00:47:14.780 people have

00:47:15.300 said,

00:47:16.640 white,

00:47:17.720 white,

00:47:18.000 white,

00:47:18.260 white,

00:47:18.540 white,

00:47:19.060 white,

00:47:19.320 white,

00:47:19.600 white,

00:47:20.320 whether it's

00:47:21.060 on The View

00:47:21.660 or Jory Reed

00:47:22.660 or all of

00:47:23.500 those crazy

00:47:24.020 people,

00:47:25.340 that language

00:47:26.580 of deprecation

00:47:27.580 and vituperation,

00:47:28.820 it filters down,

00:47:30.600 and they're the

00:47:31.060 ones that have

00:47:31.500 always told us

00:47:32.240 that words

00:47:32.640 matter.

00:47:34.100 It's everywhere.

00:47:36.360 Believe it or

00:47:37.040 not,

00:47:37.240 I'm reviewing

00:47:37.820 right now a

00:47:38.640 book on

00:47:39.040 classics and

00:47:40.020 the professor

00:47:40.740 who's on

00:47:41.700 the left

00:47:42.180 has used

00:47:42.920 the word

00:47:43.340 whiteness

00:47:44.040 and white

00:47:44.840 in a book

00:47:45.840 not concerned

00:47:46.520 with race

00:47:47.760 258 times

00:47:50.060 in a 148

00:47:51.080 page book,

00:47:51.680 I count them,

00:47:52.260 all about

00:47:52.980 anger and

00:47:53.900 hatred.

00:47:55.160 And until we

00:47:55.900 say to people

00:47:57.300 we don't really

00:47:57.900 care what

00:47:58.480 ethnic group

00:47:59.080 or racial

00:47:59.560 group or

00:48:00.180 political group,

00:48:01.100 but there is

00:48:01.680 a zero tolerance

00:48:02.680 for that type

00:48:03.620 of unadulterated

00:48:05.180 hatred.

00:48:05.600 I just

00:48:07.620 remember after

00:48:08.200 the campaign,

00:48:09.200 after the

00:48:09.600 election,

00:48:10.340 Sonny Hosten

00:48:10.820 got on the

00:48:11.280 view and

00:48:11.540 the first

00:48:11.840 thing she

00:48:12.180 said is

00:48:12.560 she blamed

00:48:13.040 uneducated

00:48:14.080 white women.

00:48:14.760 I remember

00:48:15.120 that.

00:48:15.940 White women.

00:48:16.500 Nobody should

00:48:17.020 collectivize.

00:48:18.880 So I think

00:48:19.800 part of it is

00:48:20.600 we're

00:48:20.840 collectivizing

00:48:21.620 people and

00:48:22.360 we're putting

00:48:22.780 them in this

00:48:23.280 demonic category

00:48:24.700 on the right.

00:48:26.380 We're saying

00:48:26.700 these people

00:48:27.180 are the

00:48:27.440 equivalent of

00:48:28.040 Hitler or

00:48:28.560 the new

00:48:28.960 republic with

00:48:30.180 a picture of

00:48:30.880 Trump with

00:48:31.780 a Hitler

00:48:32.100 mustache.

00:48:33.080 And we've

00:48:33.640 just lowered

00:48:34.140 the bar so

00:48:34.900 much it's

00:48:35.460 inevitable that

00:48:36.520 people are

00:48:36.940 going to come

00:48:37.300 out of the

00:48:37.660 woodwork and

00:48:38.820 consider that

00:48:39.480 the violence

00:48:40.020 they use

00:48:40.620 against people

00:48:41.540 on the

00:48:41.960 right or

00:48:42.940 whether they're

00:48:44.060 officials or

00:48:44.820 now journalists

00:48:45.640 apparently is

00:48:46.880 going not only

00:48:47.760 to be exempt

00:48:49.780 but it's going

00:48:50.860 to be canonized

00:48:51.700 and they're

00:48:52.000 going to be

00:48:52.640 heroic.

00:48:53.480 And I think

00:48:54.000 I don't want

00:48:55.060 to make any

00:48:55.960 macabre

00:48:56.700 predictions but

00:48:57.560 I bet you

00:48:58.120 and I haven't

00:48:58.740 looked at the

00:48:59.220 news,

00:48:59.940 there will be

00:49:00.340 people,

00:49:00.700 immediately

00:49:01.320 that will

00:49:01.800 cheer this

00:49:02.320 on.

00:49:02.940 I know

00:49:06.460 that Victor

00:49:06.900 you've got

00:49:07.220 to run

00:49:07.620 but do you

00:49:08.540 have time

00:49:08.820 for me to

00:49:09.160 just ask

00:49:09.620 you before

00:49:10.380 you go

00:49:10.740 what do

00:49:12.260 you expect

00:49:12.640 the reaction

00:49:13.460 is going

00:49:14.360 to be?

00:49:15.240 I mean

00:49:15.400 what's going

00:49:16.360 to happen

00:49:16.640 next?

00:49:18.760 Well I

00:49:19.140 think when

00:49:20.620 you ask

00:49:21.020 that it's

00:49:21.660 going to

00:49:22.040 become the

00:49:22.980 two sources

00:49:24.140 of reaction

00:49:24.780 will be

00:49:25.140 obviously

00:49:25.540 from political

00:49:26.520 officials and

00:49:27.900 from the

00:49:28.280 media and

00:49:29.680 the media

00:49:30.160 media knows

00:49:31.300 that you

00:49:32.740 don't want

00:49:33.060 to have a

00:49:33.400 counter-reaction

00:49:34.020 so I would

00:49:34.480 expect all

00:49:35.400 of the

00:49:35.700 officials

00:49:36.360 left and

00:49:38.940 right and

00:49:39.840 all of the

00:49:40.500 major journalists

00:49:41.540 left and

00:49:42.000 right will

00:49:42.320 condemn this

00:49:43.160 if not for

00:49:44.300 the right

00:49:44.840 reason of

00:49:45.720 morality then

00:49:47.100 for their own

00:49:47.780 self-interest

00:49:48.720 because you

00:49:49.540 don't want

00:49:50.120 to get

00:49:50.480 into a

00:49:51.420 spiral

00:49:51.840 but

00:49:52.160 again

00:49:54.060 I have

00:49:55.860 been listening

00:49:56.500 to stuff

00:49:57.120 that's been

00:49:57.580 said on

00:49:59.040 podcasts

00:49:59.580 on major

00:50:00.540 TV shows

00:50:01.640 that I

00:50:02.440 cannot believe

00:50:03.360 it's just

00:50:04.620 pure racial

00:50:05.980 hatred

00:50:06.460 ethnic

00:50:06.940 hatred

00:50:07.440 and the

00:50:08.640 targets

00:50:09.080 more than

00:50:10.140 ever are

00:50:11.100 the so-called

00:50:12.040 bogeyman of

00:50:13.100 the white

00:50:13.600 male

00:50:14.080 mega

00:50:14.640 right-wing

00:50:15.840 fascist

00:50:16.640 and that's

00:50:18.620 got to stop

00:50:19.300 when you have

00:50:20.020 that vocabulary

00:50:20.740 of disparagement

00:50:21.580 from Joe

00:50:22.200 Biden that

00:50:22.840 they were

00:50:23.160 garbage

00:50:23.660 that they

00:50:24.120 were chumps

00:50:24.680 that were

00:50:25.000 dregs

00:50:25.580 and from

00:50:25.820 Hillary

00:50:26.060 deplorable

00:50:26.580 irredeemable

00:50:27.600 cling

00:50:28.500 it's just

00:50:29.140 too much

00:50:29.740 finally

00:50:30.140 and it's

00:50:31.240 all been

00:50:31.560 predicated

00:50:32.040 on the

00:50:32.360 idea

00:50:32.560 well this

00:50:32.920 is a

00:50:33.200 privileged

00:50:33.480 group

00:50:33.860 and they

00:50:34.180 have

00:50:34.340 a special

00:50:36.160 category

00:50:36.620 you can

00:50:36.880 say whatever

00:50:37.280 you want

00:50:37.840 conservatives

00:50:39.060 that's

00:50:40.000 over with

00:50:41.140 this is

00:50:42.280 the first

00:50:42.640 time in

00:50:43.040 my memory

00:50:43.600 that a

00:50:44.060 major

00:50:44.500 journalistic

00:50:47.060 figure

00:50:48.260 has been

00:50:49.320 targeted

00:50:49.720 for assassination

00:50:50.640 that I can

00:50:51.300 think of

00:50:51.820 and let's

00:50:53.680 hope it

00:50:54.020 doesn't

00:50:54.320 start

00:50:55.000 something

00:50:55.580 but this

00:50:56.820 is really

00:50:57.200 new

00:50:57.500 this happens

00:50:58.640 in South

00:50:59.220 America

00:50:59.700 it happens

00:51:00.240 in Mexico

00:51:00.780 it even

00:51:01.340 happens

00:51:01.700 as we

00:51:02.740 saw with

00:51:03.240 Salomon

00:51:03.580 Rushdie

00:51:04.020 in Europe

00:51:05.060 but it

00:51:05.420 has not

00:51:05.860 happened

00:51:06.240 here yet

00:51:06.880 and I'm

00:51:08.000 afraid that

00:51:08.620 this is

00:51:09.160 something that

00:51:09.720 left in

00:51:10.160 their desperation

00:51:10.900 if this

00:51:11.300 person turns

00:51:11.920 out to be

00:51:12.560 that way

00:51:13.840 has embarked

00:51:15.800 on

00:51:16.060 it's time

00:51:17.520 I think

00:51:17.880 for everybody

00:51:18.240 to cool

00:51:18.660 it

00:51:18.820 yeah

00:51:19.040 cool

00:51:19.480 the left

00:51:20.860 the latest

00:51:21.240 from the

00:51:21.760 New York

00:51:22.500 Times

00:51:22.900 just in

00:51:23.880 is that

00:51:24.380 the police

00:51:25.200 have determined

00:51:25.640 this person

00:51:26.140 who was taken

00:51:26.620 into custody

00:51:27.100 after the

00:51:27.720 shooting

00:51:27.980 was not

00:51:28.700 actually

00:51:29.380 the shooter

00:51:30.140 according to

00:51:31.120 Scott Trotter

00:51:31.760 a university

00:51:32.340 spokesman

00:51:32.960 the university

00:51:33.880 had earlier

00:51:34.520 said a suspect

00:51:35.280 was in custody

00:51:36.120 and videos

00:51:36.980 online showed

00:51:37.720 this older man

00:51:38.360 being detained

00:51:39.220 by police

00:51:39.780 officers

00:51:40.300 and therefore

00:51:41.420 I don't know

00:51:42.360 at this hour

00:51:43.080 whether the

00:51:43.860 person who shot

00:51:44.700 Charlie Kirk

00:51:45.400 is in custody

00:51:46.200 or not

00:51:47.020 I don't know

00:51:49.020 say again

00:51:49.720 Glenn

00:51:49.940 oh I'm sorry

00:51:51.020 I was just

00:51:51.340 telling my wife

00:51:52.020 because my

00:51:52.420 children are there

00:51:53.240 they don't

00:51:53.700 know

00:51:53.860 they have

00:51:54.300 a suspect

00:51:54.940 in custody

00:51:55.660 so

00:51:56.100 BDH

00:51:56.640 I know

00:51:56.860 you've got

00:51:57.100 to run

00:51:57.380 thank you

00:51:57.720 for making

00:51:58.040 the time

00:51:58.340 for us

00:51:58.620 today

00:51:58.920 thank you

00:51:59.640 thank you

00:52:00.420 Megan

00:52:00.660 thank you

00:52:01.280 Glenn

00:52:01.940 good to see

00:52:02.540 you

00:52:02.680 thank you

00:52:03.200 love you

00:52:04.080 Glenn

00:52:05.120 so we don't

00:52:06.100 know

00:52:06.380 this is

00:52:06.780 ambiguous

00:52:07.620 that

00:52:08.360 that guy

00:52:08.940 that white

00:52:09.400 guy

00:52:09.680 with the

00:52:10.140 balding head

00:52:11.220 is not

00:52:11.700 the shooter

00:52:12.140 according

00:52:12.560 to the

00:52:12.820 New York

00:52:13.020 Times

00:52:13.380 citing

00:52:14.400 Scott Trotter

00:52:15.180 a university

00:52:15.780 spokesman

00:52:16.940 but the

00:52:18.620 university

00:52:19.060 had earlier

00:52:19.720 said a suspect

00:52:20.420 a suspect

00:52:21.060 was in custody

00:52:21.900 not just a

00:52:22.480 person

00:52:22.860 so we

00:52:23.660 don't know

00:52:24.020 whether they

00:52:24.460 were speaking

00:52:24.920 of this man

00:52:25.500 who they've

00:52:25.840 now determined

00:52:26.320 is not the

00:52:26.840 shooter

00:52:27.060 so we have

00:52:27.640 no fucking

00:52:28.300 clue whether

00:52:28.900 the shooter

00:52:29.380 is in custody

00:52:30.100 or not

00:52:31.220 and we have

00:52:31.740 no idea

00:52:32.340 how Charlie

00:52:32.980 is all we

00:52:34.080 know is he's

00:52:34.580 been shot

00:52:35.100 and that it

00:52:35.620 was a brutal

00:52:36.540 shot to the

00:52:37.620 neck that we

00:52:38.780 saw too much

00:52:39.540 of Megan

00:52:40.980 you know

00:52:42.400 when I

00:52:43.500 you know

00:52:46.160 when I was

00:52:46.520 talking today

00:52:47.140 about Charlotte

00:52:47.900 you know

00:52:49.320 on the video

00:52:49.940 you can hear

00:52:50.700 the killer say

00:52:51.480 I guess I

00:52:53.360 killed that

00:52:53.900 white woman

00:52:54.380 or whatever

00:52:54.840 it was

00:52:55.240 that white

00:52:55.640 girl

00:52:55.880 and I

00:52:57.220 was in

00:52:57.740 Washington

00:52:58.220 D.C.

00:52:59.540 just a few

00:53:00.540 months ago

00:53:01.080 a couple

00:53:01.420 months ago

00:53:02.040 and my

00:53:02.460 wife and I

00:53:02.880 were walking

00:53:03.240 down the

00:53:03.560 street

00:53:03.820 and there

00:53:04.260 was this

00:53:04.660 big black

00:53:05.860 guy on a

00:53:06.500 bike

00:53:06.820 and he

00:53:07.540 kept circling

00:53:08.300 us

00:53:08.640 and he kept

00:53:09.160 pointing right

00:53:09.740 directly at me

00:53:10.720 and looking me

00:53:11.240 in the eyes

00:53:11.560 and said

00:53:11.900 today's the

00:53:12.600 day I'm

00:53:12.900 going to

00:53:13.100 kill me

00:53:13.440 a white

00:53:13.760 man

00:53:14.040 oh I'm

00:53:14.780 going to

00:53:15.040 kill me

00:53:15.400 a white

00:53:15.700 man

00:53:15.960 the day

00:53:16.300 and he

00:53:18.980 finally

00:53:19.520 saw my

00:53:20.520 security

00:53:20.960 and then

00:53:21.320 he went

00:53:22.360 away

00:53:22.740 this is

00:53:25.400 we are not

00:53:27.880 addressing the

00:53:28.740 key issues

00:53:29.580 here and

00:53:30.120 the media

00:53:30.740 is making

00:53:31.540 everything

00:53:32.120 worse

00:53:32.680 we really

00:53:35.120 are in

00:53:37.300 a place

00:53:37.700 where we

00:53:38.060 will not

00:53:38.620 get our

00:53:39.040 republic

00:53:39.520 back

00:53:39.980 if

00:53:41.000 if the

00:53:43.180 if the

00:53:44.300 administration

00:53:44.780 doesn't

00:53:46.380 act

00:53:48.620 forcefully

00:53:49.820 but not

00:53:51.180 but

00:53:53.120 constitutionally

00:53:54.220 and if

00:53:55.440 we lose

00:53:56.460 our heads

00:53:57.160 I mean

00:53:57.720 people like

00:53:58.300 you Megan

00:53:58.800 are so

00:53:59.400 important

00:53:59.920 because

00:54:01.740 people are

00:54:02.560 going to

00:54:02.920 look to

00:54:03.880 us on

00:54:04.440 how we

00:54:05.160 react

00:54:05.860 to this

00:54:06.720 and

00:54:08.200 and I

00:54:08.860 don't know

00:54:09.300 how to

00:54:09.620 react

00:54:09.800 there's no

00:54:11.160 there's no

00:54:11.940 lesson on

00:54:12.640 this one

00:54:13.080 I don't

00:54:13.460 know how

00:54:13.780 to react

00:54:14.240 to this

00:54:14.640 my friends

00:54:15.260 are being

00:54:15.660 shot

00:54:16.140 you know

00:54:17.600 you know

00:54:18.900 my family

00:54:19.680 is in

00:54:20.660 danger

00:54:21.100 I mean

00:54:21.600 I don't

00:54:22.680 know how

00:54:23.020 to react

00:54:23.520 to this

00:54:23.960 other than

00:54:24.720 you know

00:54:26.300 I

00:54:26.900 I know

00:54:28.160 that

00:54:28.600 God is

00:54:29.460 a God

00:54:29.820 of miracles

00:54:30.340 if Charlie

00:54:31.100 is alive

00:54:32.100 that's a

00:54:33.440 miracle

00:54:33.860 if you saw

00:54:34.800 yes

00:54:35.420 if you saw

00:54:36.820 the video

00:54:37.900 there is

00:54:39.500 no way

00:54:40.300 he should

00:54:40.880 be alive

00:54:41.480 there's

00:54:41.840 no way

00:54:42.400 he should

00:54:42.820 be alive

00:54:43.340 and if

00:54:43.800 he's alive

00:54:44.640 that is

00:54:45.460 an absolute

00:54:46.080 miracle

00:54:46.780 we have

00:54:47.740 to be

00:54:48.740 worthy

00:54:49.200 of those

00:54:49.960 miracles

00:54:50.560 because

00:54:52.100 something

00:54:52.780 evil

00:54:54.020 is happening

00:54:54.860 but something

00:54:55.760 glorious

00:54:56.400 is also

00:54:57.400 going to

00:54:57.860 come out

00:54:58.360 of this

00:54:58.860 you know

00:55:01.340 you can't

00:55:02.680 help but

00:55:02.940 look at it

00:55:03.280 in our

00:55:03.500 position

00:55:03.840 and say

00:55:04.360 he does

00:55:07.060 to a large

00:55:07.860 extent

00:55:08.140 what we

00:55:08.500 do

00:55:08.720 you know

00:55:09.300 we're all

00:55:09.980 largely in

00:55:10.600 the same

00:55:10.920 business

00:55:11.280 we comment

00:55:11.820 on the

00:55:12.180 news

00:55:12.380 we try

00:55:12.820 to help

00:55:13.180 people

00:55:13.480 understand

00:55:13.940 the news

00:55:14.380 and yes

00:55:15.380 now

00:55:15.920 in at least

00:55:16.900 my new

00:55:17.320 iteration

00:55:17.720 and the one

00:55:18.120 you've been

00:55:18.420 at for a

00:55:18.820 long time

00:55:19.180 too

00:55:19.380 we also

00:55:20.140 try to

00:55:20.980 shape

00:55:21.200 opinion

00:55:21.560 around

00:55:21.820 the news

00:55:22.200 the issues

00:55:22.660 that are

00:55:22.900 important

00:55:23.220 to us

00:55:23.580 and try

00:55:24.320 to encourage

00:55:24.860 people to

00:55:25.480 maintain

00:55:26.340 their sanity

00:55:27.020 and react

00:55:27.640 sanely

00:55:28.120 to a news

00:55:28.960 cycle

00:55:29.240 that can

00:55:29.640 drive you

00:55:30.100 mad

00:55:30.440 you know

00:55:31.300 i've heard

00:55:31.620 you do

00:55:31.860 it many

00:55:32.260 times

00:55:32.600 i've done

00:55:33.020 it charlie

00:55:33.620 this week

00:55:35.080 what has

00:55:35.400 charlie

00:55:35.720 been doing

00:55:36.180 charlie

00:55:36.820 has been

00:55:37.440 speaking

00:55:37.920 truth

00:55:38.580 about what

00:55:39.340 happened

00:55:39.800 in charlotte

00:55:41.360 he's been

00:55:42.040 very frank

00:55:43.080 as he

00:55:43.480 always is

00:55:44.360 even when

00:55:45.180 the chips

00:55:45.580 are down

00:55:46.060 he says

00:55:47.040 the hard

00:55:47.420 thing

00:55:47.800 and he

00:55:49.420 called out

00:55:50.200 the racial

00:55:51.520 issue

00:55:52.020 in the

00:55:52.580 stabbing

00:55:53.100 in charlotte

00:55:54.440 north carolina

00:55:55.360 and he

00:55:56.520 because he

00:55:57.440 heard what

00:55:58.160 we heard

00:55:58.740 which was

00:55:59.440 the black

00:56:00.360 assailant

00:56:01.400 walked up

00:56:02.740 and down

00:56:03.040 the train

00:56:03.500 afterward

00:56:04.040 and appeared

00:56:04.780 to say

00:56:05.160 someone said

00:56:05.920 and it's

00:56:06.520 very clear

00:56:07.160 to me

00:56:07.520 it was him

00:56:08.220 we haven't

00:56:08.960 had the

00:56:09.180 forensic

00:56:09.460 evaluation

00:56:10.180 from cops

00:56:10.800 yet

00:56:11.080 said i

00:56:12.000 got that

00:56:12.520 white girl

00:56:13.100 i got

00:56:13.580 that white

00:56:14.060 girl

00:56:14.360 and charlie

00:56:16.680 there is

00:56:17.280 no there

00:56:17.760 is no

00:56:18.300 there is

00:56:19.380 no penalty

00:56:20.500 for this

00:56:21.520 there's no

00:56:22.380 penalty for

00:56:23.160 this look

00:56:23.940 at when you

00:56:24.400 impose penalties

00:56:25.380 in washington

00:56:26.020 dc look

00:56:27.000 how fast

00:56:27.580 crime goes

00:56:28.200 away there's

00:56:29.260 no penalty

00:56:30.100 for saying

00:56:31.000 these things

00:56:31.800 encouraging

00:56:32.840 these things

00:56:33.700 or doing

00:56:34.740 these things

00:56:35.640 you the

00:56:37.380 the press

00:56:38.360 and the

00:56:39.020 the academia

00:56:40.720 and the media

00:56:42.740 has taken

00:56:43.920 very sick

00:56:45.400 and vulnerable

00:56:46.660 people

00:56:47.260 the the

00:56:48.620 transgender

00:56:49.140 community

00:56:49.860 and whip

00:56:51.260 them up

00:56:51.820 into a frenzy

00:56:53.040 where the

00:56:54.340 nazis are

00:56:55.060 going to come

00:56:55.460 and round

00:56:56.040 you up

00:56:56.600 what do

00:56:57.400 you expect

00:56:58.180 people to

00:56:59.060 do

00:56:59.360 what do

00:57:00.100 you expect

00:57:00.740 them to

00:57:01.220 do

00:57:01.480 so now

00:57:02.840 the shootings

00:57:03.540 are happening

00:57:04.020 we've had

00:57:04.400 five shootings

00:57:05.700 i wonder if

00:57:06.780 it was a

00:57:07.240 coincidence that

00:57:08.100 the question

00:57:08.860 that was being

00:57:09.540 asked of

00:57:10.140 charlie was

00:57:10.980 the lgbtq

00:57:12.920 the trans

00:57:13.960 shooters that

00:57:14.780 have happened

00:57:15.340 bang

00:57:16.260 i'm wondering

00:57:17.460 if that's a

00:57:18.160 coincidence or

00:57:18.900 not i'm hoping

00:57:19.740 that it is

00:57:20.580 um but

00:57:21.780 but nobody

00:57:22.940 will even

00:57:23.420 talk about

00:57:24.300 it nobody

00:57:25.360 will talk

00:57:25.980 about there

00:57:26.440 is serious

00:57:27.460 mental illness

00:57:28.840 on our

00:57:29.360 streets and

00:57:30.600 a lot of

00:57:31.660 it is coming

00:57:32.320 from the

00:57:33.020 media and

00:57:33.700 the politicians

00:57:34.500 they are

00:57:35.080 pushing people

00:57:36.260 who are

00:57:36.600 mentally ill

00:57:37.420 into very

00:57:38.620 dangerous

00:57:39.740 situations and

00:57:41.380 nobody says

00:57:42.000 anything about

00:57:42.580 it i know

00:57:44.140 i tell you

00:57:44.980 donald trump

00:57:45.960 has his work

00:57:46.820 cut out for

00:57:47.800 him shady

00:57:48.700 vans pray

00:57:49.760 for those

00:57:50.160 let me just

00:57:50.820 finish about

00:57:51.260 so so charlie

00:57:52.280 this week

00:57:52.860 was making

00:57:53.600 the point he

00:57:54.120 was making

00:57:54.540 about that

00:57:55.020 about that

00:57:55.900 stabbing

00:57:56.360 totally valid

00:57:57.380 point totally

00:57:57.980 fair point and

00:57:58.760 a brave point

00:57:59.400 to make publicly

00:58:00.160 because of course

00:58:01.480 you know you're

00:58:01.920 going to get

00:58:02.240 blowback and

00:58:03.360 what happened

00:58:03.920 blowback

00:58:04.740 happened van

00:58:05.820 jones went on

00:58:06.500 cnn that night

00:58:07.880 and attacked

00:58:09.120 charlie and

00:58:09.980 suggested he he

00:58:11.340 was somehow

00:58:11.900 racist for

00:58:13.460 introducing that

00:58:14.620 question into

00:58:15.320 it meanwhile

00:58:15.720 the the

00:58:17.160 stabber the

00:58:18.180 accused murderer

00:58:19.400 is someone

00:58:20.740 we can hear

00:58:21.620 on tape

00:58:22.300 it's very

00:58:22.940 clearly coming

00:58:24.340 from that

00:58:25.060 train and

00:58:25.680 he's the guy

00:58:26.420 who's front

00:58:26.860 and center

00:58:27.200 we've looked

00:58:27.660 at it 25

00:58:28.460 times and

00:58:29.700 while you

00:58:30.060 cannot see

00:58:30.700 his mouth

00:58:31.140 moving his

00:58:31.680 face is not

00:58:32.520 on camera

00:58:32.960 it seems

00:58:33.600 very clear

00:58:34.020 it's him

00:58:34.280 at a minimum

00:58:35.180 there is a

00:58:36.220 prima facie

00:58:36.940 basis to say

00:58:38.320 it appears

00:58:38.940 to be him

00:58:39.500 that's a very

00:58:40.340 comfortable place

00:58:41.420 to be if it

00:58:42.280 turns out not

00:58:42.760 to be fine

00:58:43.240 but there

00:58:43.560 charlie was

00:58:43.980 not ahead of

00:58:44.460 his skis

00:58:44.940 and suggesting

00:58:45.800 there's reason

00:58:46.300 to believe

00:58:46.560 there's a

00:58:46.860 racial motive

00:58:47.700 here or

00:58:48.400 at least

00:58:48.600 that race

00:58:49.000 played a

00:58:49.360 role and

00:58:50.300 this is what

00:58:51.120 happened this

00:58:51.720 is this is

00:58:52.260 how van

00:58:53.360 jones responded

00:58:54.640 on cnn

00:58:55.160 we don't know

00:58:57.240 why that man

00:58:57.860 did what he

00:58:58.220 did and for

00:58:59.560 charlie kirk

00:59:00.080 to say we

00:59:00.860 know he did

00:59:01.840 it because

00:59:02.320 she's white

00:59:02.960 when there's

00:59:03.460 no evidence

00:59:03.940 of that

00:59:04.360 it's just

00:59:05.020 pure race

00:59:05.940 race mongering

00:59:07.280 hate mongering

00:59:08.080 it's wrong

00:59:08.880 then he says

00:59:09.940 that if something

00:59:10.820 like that had

00:59:11.400 happened the

00:59:11.960 other way

00:59:12.500 there would be

00:59:13.300 sweeping changes

00:59:14.380 imposed on

00:59:14.900 society

00:59:15.260 where is the

00:59:16.480 george floyd

00:59:17.180 policing act

00:59:18.000 it didn't

00:59:18.600 pass

00:59:19.020 you mentioned

00:59:19.880 the thing

00:59:20.120 about cashless

00:59:20.760 bail

00:59:21.040 i think

00:59:22.260 this is a

00:59:23.060 big challenge

00:59:23.820 that we have

00:59:24.460 would you have

00:59:25.360 felt better

00:59:25.920 if there had

00:59:26.840 been cash bail

00:59:27.480 and the mom

00:59:28.600 had come and

00:59:29.040 put down a

00:59:29.800 thousand dollars

00:59:30.280 to let him

00:59:30.580 out

00:59:30.780 it's not about

00:59:31.740 cashless bail

00:59:32.600 or no cashless

00:59:33.360 bail it's about

00:59:33.980 the fact that we

00:59:34.620 don't know how

00:59:35.260 to deal with

00:59:36.360 people who are

00:59:36.940 hurting in the

00:59:37.400 way this man

00:59:37.820 was hurting

00:59:38.280 hurt people

00:59:39.060 hurt people

00:59:39.580 look i'm not

00:59:42.480 blaming this on

00:59:43.020 van jones i'm

00:59:43.800 just trying to

00:59:44.280 show what

00:59:44.960 charlie was up

00:59:45.600 against in his

00:59:46.860 very brave and

00:59:48.040 very frank social

00:59:49.040 commentary glenn

00:59:49.900 and van is

00:59:52.980 right you know

00:59:53.500 there's no love

00:59:54.320 lost between me

00:59:55.020 and van jones

00:59:55.680 the van is

00:59:56.700 right i know

00:59:57.220 the history

00:59:57.620 hurt people

00:59:59.080 hurt people

00:59:59.900 he's right on

01:00:01.060 that but

01:00:02.100 but there is

01:00:03.680 a group of

01:00:04.580 people that are

01:00:05.300 preying on

01:00:06.680 hurt people

01:00:07.460 and encouraging

01:00:09.340 them to do

01:00:10.820 unspeakable

01:00:11.720 things and

01:00:12.280 when they do

01:00:12.940 they encourage

01:00:13.760 them but by

01:00:14.400 their either

01:00:15.000 their silence

01:00:15.920 or lionizing

01:00:17.260 these people

01:00:18.040 um you know

01:00:19.660 this is not

01:00:20.780 going to stop

01:00:21.760 until americans

01:00:24.000 on both sides

01:00:25.400 stand up and

01:00:26.320 say enough

01:00:27.420 this is not

01:00:28.360 acceptable in

01:00:29.540 our society

01:00:30.320 it is not

01:00:31.420 acceptable but

01:00:32.560 i know people

01:00:33.480 i know i know

01:00:35.040 people i counted

01:00:36.180 as reasonable

01:00:37.220 people who

01:00:38.660 actually celebrated

01:00:40.120 when trump

01:00:40.740 was shot

01:00:41.700 and if they

01:00:43.260 know who

01:00:43.820 charlie kirk

01:00:44.440 is they'd be

01:00:46.200 celebrating today

01:00:47.280 that's unacceptable

01:00:49.520 if this would

01:00:50.780 have happened

01:00:51.220 to to um

01:00:53.180 the the women

01:00:54.120 on the view

01:00:54.920 i wouldn't be

01:00:55.960 celebrating i

01:00:57.020 would be

01:00:57.440 warning

01:00:58.020 warning this is

01:01:00.020 dangerous what

01:01:01.140 are we doing

01:01:01.880 stop it

01:01:02.920 never and and

01:01:03.960 not only that but

01:01:04.920 if i've been at

01:01:05.920 these events

01:01:06.320 with you if

01:01:06.720 you and i

01:01:07.220 actually bumped

01:01:07.860 into whoopie

01:01:08.580 or joy at

01:01:09.920 some event and

01:01:11.200 we were introduced

01:01:12.200 and we were

01:01:13.220 drinking it whatever

01:01:13.940 sitting there we'd

01:01:15.180 be kind and

01:01:16.100 they'd probably be

01:01:16.780 mildly kind back

01:01:17.720 to us like

01:01:18.260 there's there's an

01:01:19.260 understanding mildly

01:01:20.700 we wouldn't be

01:01:21.300 you know insincere

01:01:22.700 but we wouldn't

01:01:23.720 walk in there like

01:01:24.400 i hate that

01:01:25.240 person and i want

01:01:26.180 bad things to

01:01:26.920 happen to that

01:01:27.260 person absolutely

01:01:28.200 they feel they

01:01:29.080 are entitled to

01:01:30.500 say that

01:01:31.400 we would never

01:01:32.360 do that we

01:01:33.040 would never i

01:01:33.700 think the right

01:01:34.560 understands that

01:01:35.420 you you're a

01:01:36.840 player on the

01:01:37.600 field and then

01:01:38.560 when you remove

01:01:39.340 yourself from the

01:01:40.420 field there's a

01:01:41.120 level of civility

01:01:42.260 that's required in

01:01:43.840 order for our

01:01:44.700 fucking society to

01:01:46.040 function and it's

01:01:47.860 just i i just want

01:01:49.320 to i want to update

01:01:49.920 with this because this

01:01:50.620 just came in this is

01:01:51.340 news from the

01:01:52.260 university we can

01:01:53.160 confirm mr kirk was

01:01:54.140 shot we do not know

01:01:55.280 his condition the

01:01:56.420 suspect is not in

01:01:58.300 custody police are

01:01:59.780 still investigating

01:02:00.640 campus is closed for

01:02:01.960 the rest of the

01:02:02.480 day said the

01:02:03.700 university spokesperson

01:02:04.660 scott trotter your

01:02:06.440 is your daughter out

01:02:07.500 of there glenn oh

01:02:12.500 is she safe yes

01:02:18.080 he's nodding his

01:02:19.080 head oh i'm so

01:02:20.800 sorry that's another

01:02:21.980 level of worry and

01:02:24.740 obviously the extra

01:02:25.680 level of worry is

01:02:26.560 she's glenn beck's

01:02:27.240 daughter and you

01:02:28.000 have to worry about

01:02:28.780 that i understand

01:02:29.620 that acutely myself

01:02:30.900 that makes us

01:02:32.960 targets and it

01:02:33.580 makes our kids

01:02:34.140 targets and i

01:02:34.900 really hope charlie's

01:02:35.760 wife and his two

01:02:36.800 children have security

01:02:38.120 on them right now

01:02:39.020 because the level of

01:02:40.460 threat is higher

01:02:41.860 yeah yeah so uh

01:02:45.240 yeah that's uh you

01:02:48.380 are coming on to

01:02:49.280 talk about this while

01:02:50.020 you have your own

01:02:50.560 worries about your

01:02:52.020 own family glenn so

01:02:53.120 on brand for you

01:02:54.020 you're such you're

01:02:55.060 also so brave and

01:02:56.400 you've been under it

01:02:57.260 yourself i've seen

01:02:58.120 when we were at fox

01:02:59.520 news we came you

01:03:00.940 came to see me one

01:03:01.700 time we had a chat

01:03:02.580 and you had six

01:03:03.920 bodyguards around

01:03:04.880 you it was insane

01:03:06.760 the level of threat

01:03:08.100 that you were under

01:03:08.880 again just for

01:03:10.620 talking about the

01:03:12.580 news

01:03:13.140 they're gonna pick

01:03:17.220 if if this isn't

01:03:18.920 stopped they're gonna

01:03:19.580 pick they're gonna

01:03:21.200 pick people off one

01:03:22.180 by one you know

01:03:23.760 they did it they did

01:03:24.780 it to us first

01:03:25.980 megan by picking

01:03:27.680 us off by trying

01:03:28.980 to pick off our

01:03:29.820 sponsors and trying

01:03:30.860 to isolate us and

01:03:31.860 thank god for the

01:03:32.600 internet we could go

01:03:33.400 to the internet and

01:03:34.340 we could be heard we

01:03:35.200 didn't need their we

01:03:36.780 didn't need their big

01:03:37.580 network systems anymore

01:03:39.000 we we chartered our

01:03:40.560 own course but they

01:03:42.160 tried to destroy us

01:03:43.220 that way first

01:03:44.080 financially then

01:03:45.680 they then they

01:03:46.380 smeared us and

01:03:47.760 tried to try to end

01:03:49.260 us by just saying

01:03:51.300 horrible awful things

01:03:52.960 and now that that

01:03:54.200 doesn't work they're

01:03:54.920 just gonna pick

01:03:55.600 people off one by

01:03:56.640 one you know we

01:03:59.480 we have to get

01:04:00.900 serious about the

01:04:03.560 sorrows of the

01:04:04.940 world the people who

01:04:06.000 fund these radical

01:04:08.360 groups we have to

01:04:09.480 get serious about our

01:04:11.000 our university campuses

01:04:12.840 they are hell holes

01:04:15.360 they there is real

01:04:17.840 evil that is happening

01:04:19.860 and people are turning

01:04:21.340 a blind eye and too

01:04:23.160 many in washington

01:04:24.400 are just thinking

01:04:26.100 this is business as

01:04:27.220 usual this is not

01:04:28.640 business as usual

01:04:30.280 the republic is at

01:04:32.200 stake and i'm sorry

01:04:34.380 i do not want and i

01:04:36.100 do not like extra

01:04:37.700 constitutional powers i

01:04:39.260 do not want any of

01:04:40.600 those but every single

01:04:42.660 tool at our disposal

01:04:44.400 that is constitutional

01:04:45.680 should be employed

01:04:47.140 and people who are

01:04:48.560 breaking the law

01:04:49.560 people who are

01:04:50.720 trying to overthrow

01:04:52.220 people who are

01:04:53.580 trying to influence

01:04:55.100 to overthrow or to

01:04:56.980 get people to kill

01:04:58.120 they must pay a price

01:05:00.600 by law not from us

01:05:03.580 not through violence

01:05:04.680 they must be arrested

01:05:07.060 and stopped george soros

01:05:08.560 at the very least

01:05:09.960 his ngo should be

01:05:11.840 banned from doing

01:05:12.960 business in the united

01:05:13.920 states he's banned in

01:05:15.220 several countries i don't

01:05:16.980 know why everybody else

01:05:18.120 knows that he's a

01:05:18.920 threat we know he's a

01:05:21.060 threat but we'll do

01:05:22.220 nothing about his

01:05:23.220 ngos here we'll just

01:05:24.400 let them operate we'll

01:05:26.200 let all of these ngos

01:05:27.700 take all of this money

01:05:29.700 and in infect our

01:05:32.280 da's our district

01:05:34.580 attorneys our our

01:05:36.480 our attorney generals

01:05:39.580 that we'll just let them

01:05:42.680 go in and and

01:05:44.140 undercover at night just

01:05:46.720 did you see about the

01:05:47.820 what is it the the ray

01:05:49.360 it's not the ray

01:05:50.420 oh i had it in our

01:05:52.080 show prep today i talked

01:05:53.180 about it the first time i

01:05:54.180 had ever heard of it

01:05:54.980 it's an old soviet

01:05:56.680 group that tried to do

01:05:59.020 things during the soviet

01:06:00.320 era that is still

01:06:01.880 around and now they are

01:06:03.600 in charge of 40

01:06:05.320 different prosecutors in

01:06:07.240 our country

01:06:07.780 is that the ren group

01:06:09.220 w-r-e-n from uh

01:06:10.720 yes the ren group

01:06:12.440 yeah i'd never even

01:06:13.860 heard you know me i am

01:06:15.240 on on top of all of

01:06:16.800 these i had never even

01:06:17.760 heard of that one there

01:06:18.860 are so many of them now

01:06:20.400 it was in city journal

01:06:21.340 this uh yesterday

01:06:22.200 right and what are we

01:06:23.360 going to do what are we

01:06:24.640 going to do what are we

01:06:26.040 going to do there needs

01:06:27.540 to there we need to have

01:06:29.460 our fbi and our doj go

01:06:32.560 follow the money and take

01:06:35.380 the people down that are

01:06:37.180 funding all of this stuff

01:06:38.760 because this is not just

01:06:40.920 crazy people on the

01:06:42.240 streets this is

01:06:43.080 coordinated this is

01:06:44.880 planned this is a color

01:06:46.840 revolution i can't help

01:06:49.020 but feel that like

01:06:50.180 the left went crazy

01:06:54.840 they drove the country

01:06:56.360 crazy on the trans thing

01:06:59.040 and on the race thing to

01:07:00.420 name two but those are

01:07:01.820 two huge ones over the

01:07:03.280 past five ten years they

01:07:04.720 they took us to a truly

01:07:06.400 deeply insane place and

01:07:10.000 it took the right half

01:07:12.320 of the country to rise

01:07:14.000 up over the course of

01:07:15.320 years to say no no this

01:07:17.920 is immoral it's evil what

01:07:20.540 you're doing dividing us

01:07:21.680 by race and transing

01:07:24.100 children cutting off

01:07:25.200 healthy body parts

01:07:26.380 sterilizing minors this

01:07:28.480 is fucking insane and

01:07:30.420 evil and and charlie's

01:07:33.160 been a part of that

01:07:33.920 counter messaging and

01:07:35.620 then and now trump

01:07:37.680 who's the avatar of the

01:07:39.000 whole counter message

01:07:40.320 charlie who's like a

01:07:42.380 mini trump i mean

01:07:43.680 there's nothing there's

01:07:44.480 no daylight between them

01:07:45.580 even when you know

01:07:46.960 people got mad at trump

01:07:48.000 over epstein charlie

01:07:49.160 had trump's back you

01:07:50.780 know you just like

01:07:51.440 there's no daylight

01:07:52.080 between those two he's

01:07:52.900 he's a die-hard fan

01:07:55.100 supporter loyal to the

01:07:57.700 core towards trump but

01:07:59.740 he's also you get to

01:08:01.020 trump you were right

01:08:02.680 when you said he's also

01:08:03.900 the future charlie yes

01:08:06.700 more more than because

01:08:08.040 can i just say something

01:08:09.100 yes because i was

01:08:10.600 thinking about this and

01:08:11.420 god bless the trump

01:08:12.160 children i pray for them

01:08:13.620 every night we don't want

01:08:14.720 anything to happen to

01:08:15.400 them but at least the

01:08:16.460 trump children have

01:08:17.200 security they have secret

01:08:18.280 service but and and with

01:08:20.260 all due respect to them

01:08:21.040 and their important voice

01:08:21.860 in the national

01:08:22.300 conversation they they

01:08:24.040 don't have the same role

01:08:24.880 as charlie charlie is

01:08:26.400 more important it

01:08:27.480 politically he he's young

01:08:29.140 and he's organized and

01:08:30.960 he's powerful in his own

01:08:32.240 right my security chief

01:08:34.540 called me when this

01:08:35.680 happened and um and

01:08:38.220 obviously our security and

01:08:39.500 i hope your security people

01:08:40.920 have changed their

01:08:41.780 position um as of today

01:08:43.700 but um he called me and

01:08:46.640 i said look at this

01:08:47.980 video look at this is

01:08:49.460 insane and and too many

01:08:52.000 people in our position do

01:08:53.960 not take security

01:08:55.740 seriously finally ben

01:08:58.160 shapiro i saw him

01:08:59.360 finally he's got serious

01:09:01.180 security but you know

01:09:02.880 i've seen charlie with

01:09:04.240 engaged in things where

01:09:07.000 i'm like charlie where's

01:09:07.940 your security i've talked

01:09:09.060 to him a million times

01:09:09.940 where is your security

01:09:11.200 charlie you have to take

01:09:14.120 these things seriously

01:09:15.300 now and i mean i know i've

01:09:17.360 called you at times

01:09:18.280 megan when you would

01:09:19.560 flare it up and i'm like

01:09:20.840 god security you need

01:09:23.160 anything you know yeah

01:09:24.300 nobody takes it seriously

01:09:26.860 i hope our side begins

01:09:29.140 to take this seriously

01:09:30.360 because you know glenn he

01:09:32.720 had security of course he

01:09:34.300 had security but as a

01:09:35.780 news person or a

01:09:36.680 commentator or in charlie's

01:09:38.740 case also a political

01:09:39.680 organizer you don't you

01:09:40.860 don't travel with

01:09:41.900 presidential level security

01:09:43.520 you don't you don't have

01:09:44.660 sharpshooters clearing the

01:09:45.980 buildings no but but you

01:09:48.340 do you don't set things up

01:09:50.940 i just i we shouldn't talk

01:09:52.620 about this on the air but

01:09:53.800 trust me i've been doing

01:09:55.340 this for a long time there

01:09:57.280 are things that you do have

01:10:00.220 to do and and um it didn't

01:10:03.080 appear to have those things

01:10:04.700 happening uh there with

01:10:06.400 charlie and and charlie is is

01:10:08.480 in this world now if you are

01:10:11.680 making a difference you are

01:10:13.380 going to be a target period and

01:10:16.060 it could come from any side

01:10:18.100 any side um and and i just i

01:10:22.040 just i pray for charlie i pray

01:10:24.860 for the republic um and i but

01:10:27.520 i also pray for people like

01:10:29.200 you megan and everybody else

01:10:31.140 who is in this industry that

01:10:32.960 they please pray for

01:10:36.020 protection and take the time to

01:10:39.160 learn about protection and spend

01:10:41.600 the money spend the money if you

01:10:43.640 have to but stay alive you know

01:10:46.120 we just we've we've we've lost

01:10:48.140 dennis prager one of the

01:10:49.720 greatest voices um for god i think

01:10:53.680 in and and to the youth with

01:10:55.820 prager universe what do you mean

01:10:57.080 we've lost dennis i mean he had a

01:10:58.600 terrible accident he was hurt but

01:10:59.940 the last report i heard was he was

01:11:01.260 doing a little better

01:11:01.920 i uh i shouldn't have said dennis i

01:11:13.200 pray he comes back and he is able to

01:11:15.580 do the things that he can i know he

01:11:17.400 can write books um but um you know i

01:11:20.900 i don't know if you mean we lost him

01:11:22.960 in the way we used to have him

01:11:24.240 thank you um we've lost him the way

01:11:27.100 we've had him um and he is an

01:11:29.160 important important voice if god

01:11:32.140 forbid we lose charlie um we can't

01:11:35.480 afford to lose voices and these people

01:11:37.980 are serious about stopping voices

01:11:41.500 they're serious about it if they have

01:11:43.980 control of the government they ban all

01:11:46.040 of us if they don't have control of

01:11:48.460 the government it's clear they just

01:11:49.980 kill all of us this is a very dangerous

01:11:53.360 death cult we're dealing with we have

01:11:56.300 to start taking it seriously

01:11:57.600 i i am not ready to go to air with

01:12:03.660 what i'm reading glenn but i don't feel

01:12:07.560 hopeful okay i'll just say that do not

01:12:09.820 feel hopeful and i haven't felt hopeful

01:12:11.680 since i saw the video before i came on

01:12:13.340 the show

01:12:13.700 if that was real there's there's just no

01:12:16.780 way one can survive it

01:12:18.080 there that video was real i i uh i heard

01:12:23.680 from an eyewitness said it was like a

01:12:27.140 water fountain coming of his neck

01:12:29.240 so that video is real and i don't know

01:12:33.640 how he survived i don't know how he

01:12:36.200 survived that

01:12:36.820 i pray so hard for his family and for

01:12:40.340 everybody at turning point too i mean

01:12:41.980 he's their leader

01:12:42.720 you know this young upstart strong fun

01:12:45.740 funny

01:12:46.280 spicy

01:12:47.100 guy who would go anywhere would talk to

01:12:50.900 anyone you know i said earlier he and i

01:12:53.180 haven't we have an event together in

01:12:54.780 two weeks

01:12:55.180 in virginia i was going to one of those

01:12:57.800 campuses with him

01:12:58.700 me too

01:12:59.600 um i don't know i feel like

01:13:02.660 everyone over there must be so

01:13:05.720 traumatized

01:13:06.840 and i again i i worry for our children

01:13:09.600 you know my my kids love him

01:13:11.080 i know that

01:13:12.560 they're praying that right now too

01:13:15.120 my husband i saw we have a family text

01:13:17.680 chain my husband texted saying

01:13:19.500 there's some upsetting news please

01:13:21.040 come right home and do not look at

01:13:22.460 the internet and unfortunately

01:13:23.620 they're kids they're teenagers and

01:13:25.640 they'd already seen it

01:13:27.200 it's this this these videos it

01:13:29.200 happened in a public place there

01:13:30.460 were millions of cameras everybody

01:13:31.740 had their iphone

01:13:32.580 it's what you do at a charlie kirk

01:13:34.260 event it's what charlie wants you to

01:13:35.920 do

01:13:36.160 he loves it when the clips go viral

01:13:38.720 and his messages and his exchanges

01:13:40.420 with people

01:13:40.980 get as great a circulation as

01:13:43.180 possible and if this is the ultimate

01:13:44.480 exchange that he had

01:13:45.660 i got a uh i found out from my

01:13:52.040 daughter on the phone

01:13:52.980 and i and

01:13:55.980 she's not the same she

01:14:00.580 she'll never be the same

01:14:03.560 right

01:14:04.820 right this is a level of trauma for

01:14:09.480 everyone involved

01:14:10.580 every eyewitness everyone who loves

01:14:13.020 charlie

01:14:13.460 you're exactly right it's like

01:14:15.520 it's a

01:14:16.080 he's a friend like

01:14:17.740 for me glenn i remember

01:14:20.220 you know

01:14:21.020 there was this weird period and

01:14:23.080 you kind of you can relate to this

01:14:24.620 too because

01:14:25.180 i was on the outs with trump

01:14:27.360 you know or so

01:14:28.600 people thought you know he and i

01:14:30.240 had made up but i definitely

01:14:31.260 wasn't his favorite

01:14:32.200 and when i launched this show

01:14:34.480 it was that way and for the first

01:14:36.100 year or so

01:14:37.000 you know maga definitely had some

01:14:38.980 questions like i don't know i'm

01:14:40.340 not sure you know

01:14:41.300 and even i at that time didn't

01:14:43.260 know i knew i voted for trump and

01:14:44.580 i was like supporting him but i

01:14:46.040 still had questions you know i

01:14:47.180 still kind of licking my wounds

01:14:48.300 and um charlie reached out and

01:14:52.140 asked

01:14:52.700 if i would go on his show

01:14:55.420 and i remember thinking that's

01:14:57.700 that's a big risk for him

01:14:59.500 because

01:15:00.200 he doesn't know whether his

01:15:01.980 audience is going to like me you

01:15:03.400 know like that's

01:15:04.040 he's actually taking a risk here

01:15:05.720 and i appreciated it because

01:15:07.640 like charlie doing that was in a

01:15:09.700 way like a kindness to me

01:15:11.280 can i tell you something

01:15:12.460 megan yeah

01:15:13.380 it's more of a kindness because

01:15:15.740 i think you're being

01:15:17.220 i think you know

01:15:19.920 he did know you would not

01:15:22.080 be good for the audience

01:15:23.540 yeah he knows his audience

01:15:25.380 he knew

01:15:26.240 it was going to cost him

01:15:28.580 a price

01:15:29.340 to put you on at that time

01:15:31.080 um

01:15:32.020 but he did it anyway

01:15:33.540 because he believed in you

01:15:35.200 and he believed in

01:15:36.160 different voices and

01:15:38.000 and

01:15:38.660 and bringing people together

01:15:40.280 um

01:15:41.300 i mean i think he's

01:15:42.780 i

01:15:42.980 it's very gracious the way

01:15:45.600 you're saying it but i think

01:15:46.740 it's

01:15:47.220 it's even more than that

01:15:48.300 it's even more than that

01:15:49.840 well i mean at

01:15:52.020 at that

01:15:52.720 moment

01:15:53.420 you know a

01:15:54.120 unexpected beautiful friendship

01:15:56.600 was formed because

01:15:57.640 i didn't know anything about

01:15:59.280 charlie can i tell you

01:16:00.060 something glenn you know

01:16:00.640 what i knew about charlie

01:16:01.420 i knew about what

01:16:02.540 i knew what the right wing

01:16:03.680 says about charlie

01:16:04.560 these more established

01:16:05.880 right wing

01:16:06.740 which is

01:16:07.460 they didn't like him

01:16:08.560 they did not like him

01:16:10.040 in the same way

01:16:10.960 they did not like

01:16:11.720 maga

01:16:12.660 you know

01:16:12.980 they they just thought

01:16:14.340 he was terrible

01:16:14.900 so many more

01:16:15.940 establishment republicans

01:16:16.900 are like oh

01:16:17.560 charlie

01:16:18.420 and i'd begun listening

01:16:20.040 to him

01:16:20.500 and in the same way

01:16:21.960 it's not dissimilar

01:16:23.180 from mike davis

01:16:23.960 who was also like

01:16:25.100 crapped on by so many

01:16:26.060 more establishment types

01:16:27.120 in the gop

01:16:28.040 and i was like

01:16:28.500 no this guy's brilliant

01:16:29.440 i'm telling you like

01:16:30.000 as a lawyer i can tell you

01:16:31.320 this guy's actually

01:16:31.860 really smart

01:16:32.400 by the way he's been

01:16:33.020 he's been right about

01:16:33.580 literally everything

01:16:34.240 and i started listening

01:16:36.300 to charlie

01:16:36.620 i'm like

01:16:36.840 this he's actually

01:16:37.980 quite special

01:16:39.020 this guy's combination

01:16:40.480 of talents

01:16:41.120 is very rare

01:16:42.720 and you can see

01:16:44.180 i i've said it to him

01:16:45.440 you're going to be

01:16:46.020 president someday

01:16:46.720 you're definitely

01:16:47.300 going to be president

01:16:47.780 he's only 31 years old

01:16:49.300 what could he possibly

01:16:50.120 do for us

01:16:50.700 the list is so long

01:16:52.240 endless promise

01:16:53.560 endless fulfillment

01:16:54.440 endless influence

01:16:55.400 and it's been thrilling

01:16:57.080 to watch his rise

01:16:58.260 over the past couple

01:16:58.920 of years

01:16:59.220 and i've been honored

01:16:59.980 to be any small part

01:17:00.820 of his show

01:17:01.400 he's become

01:17:01.880 a part of mine too

01:17:03.340 he's been symbiotic

01:17:04.860 and it's been wonderful

01:17:06.140 he was coming on my tour

01:17:07.420 with me

01:17:07.880 i was going to the campuses

01:17:09.320 with him

01:17:09.880 because it worked

01:17:11.460 we had a mutual

01:17:12.240 have have

01:17:13.340 respect

01:17:14.240 for one another

01:17:15.440 there's a there's a love

01:17:16.600 there's kind of a

01:17:17.360 a love and a respect

01:17:18.300 and behind the scenes

01:17:19.240 at these turning point events

01:17:20.220 we'd laugh

01:17:21.360 and we'd make fun

01:17:22.120 of each other

01:17:23.140 and everybody

01:17:23.780 and all

01:17:24.700 all the untouchable figures

01:17:26.300 in a way you can

01:17:27.420 when you're family

01:17:28.080 you know

01:17:28.840 in a way you can

01:17:29.400 when you're

01:17:29.780 when you're family

01:17:30.460 you can say anything

01:17:31.440 about anything

01:17:32.340 and you do anything

01:17:33.740 for the person

01:17:34.820 as he would for me

01:17:35.780 and i would for him

01:17:36.560 and i would for you

01:17:37.460 and you would for me

01:17:38.560 and him too

01:17:39.200 and i know that

01:17:40.080 so it's just so bizarre

01:17:42.820 it is right

01:17:44.020 you're right

01:17:44.540 two of my friends

01:17:45.340 have been shot

01:17:46.020 look at him here

01:17:47.200 on stage

01:17:48.720 with his wife

01:17:49.380 and his two beautiful children

01:17:50.680 he just had

01:17:51.700 that's erica

01:17:52.440 he just had a son

01:17:54.380 his daughter

01:17:56.360 uh is now about two

01:17:58.840 um this just came in

01:18:01.340 from the new york post

01:18:02.880 um the reporter reports

01:18:05.940 i asked trump

01:18:07.720 how charlie kirk is doing

01:18:09.040 not well

01:18:10.320 he's not doing well

01:18:11.480 quote it looks very bad

01:18:13.240 how trump is feeling

01:18:14.880 not good

01:18:15.740 using the past tense

01:18:17.680 he was a very

01:18:18.860 very good friend of mine

01:18:20.100 and he was a tremendous person

01:18:22.000 i will say

01:18:29.800 gavin newsom

01:18:30.540 tweeted this out

01:18:31.800 the attack on charlie kirk

01:18:34.180 is disgusting

01:18:34.780 vile and reprehensible

01:18:35.880 in the united states

01:18:36.880 of america

01:18:37.380 we must

01:18:37.920 reject political violence

01:18:39.540 in every form

01:18:40.380 that's right

01:18:42.860 there are news outlets

01:18:45.940 reporting the worst

01:18:46.780 right now glenn

01:18:47.520 um

01:18:49.420 i

01:18:51.900 i don't know

01:18:52.720 what i'm waiting for

01:18:53.520 before i report it

01:18:54.520 you know

01:18:54.800 i trust just the news

01:18:56.080 i trust deseret

01:18:57.640 what are we waiting

01:18:59.400 for like the ap

01:19:00.240 to say it

01:19:00.920 we don't trust them

01:19:01.640 more than we trust these

01:19:02.700 they're reporting

01:19:04.240 that charlie has died

01:19:05.340 that he's dead

01:19:09.640 at the age of 31

01:19:12.580 which he would have to be

01:19:19.520 if that video was real

01:19:20.620 there's no way he survived that

01:19:24.820 there's no way he survived that

01:19:26.820 the only good thing is

01:19:30.160 it had to have happened quickly

01:19:34.840 right

01:19:37.440 right

01:19:38.640 if you see the video

01:19:40.820 you do not see

01:19:42.500 see any suffering

01:19:43.720 no

01:19:44.920 he

01:19:45.400 he appears to have been

01:19:46.700 spared

01:19:47.100 the horrific moments

01:19:49.040 after that the girl

01:19:50.080 on the charlotte train

01:19:51.180 wasn't when she knew

01:19:52.260 she was dying

01:19:52.960 or she knew

01:19:53.560 something terrible

01:19:54.380 had happened

01:19:55.240 i don't think charlie

01:19:57.080 it's clear charlie went down

01:19:58.500 he went down quickly

01:19:59.500 i uh

01:20:00.720 i talked to a surgeon

01:20:01.780 friend of mine

01:20:02.580 and i sent him that video

01:20:04.000 and i said

01:20:04.700 you know

01:20:06.740 what

01:20:07.880 can be

01:20:08.580 what can be done

01:20:09.940 and he said

01:20:10.760 that looks like

01:20:12.840 the

01:20:13.120 the artery

01:20:14.280 was

01:20:14.820 completely decimated

01:20:17.360 and there's just

01:20:18.240 it would have been

01:20:18.920 it looks

01:20:19.500 it looks like jfk

01:20:21.540 that's what it looked like

01:20:22.640 to me

01:20:22.960 it looked like

01:20:24.340 when jfk was assassinated

01:20:25.640 the violence

01:20:26.460 with which he

01:20:27.700 keeled back

01:20:29.720 was hit

01:20:30.660 was

01:20:30.980 the thrust of it

01:20:32.140 it was very clearly

01:20:33.080 a direct hit

01:20:33.820 it was

01:20:34.260 obviously

01:20:35.280 i don't know

01:20:36.880 some sort of a rifle

01:20:37.900 or shotgun

01:20:38.680 it had

01:20:39.620 severe velocity

01:20:41.260 200 yards away

01:20:43.520 obviously this person

01:20:44.260 had been practicing

01:20:45.240 this fucker

01:20:46.740 had been out there

01:20:47.420 practicing

01:20:48.020 to take his life

01:20:49.380 and if these reports

01:20:51.380 are correct

01:20:51.960 he

01:20:53.160 his children

01:20:53.940 have lost their father

01:20:55.880 erica's lost her love

01:20:57.260 and we have lost

01:20:59.380 one of the most important

01:21:00.240 voices

01:21:00.640 that we've had

01:21:02.220 in my lifetime

01:21:03.100 on the right

01:21:04.080 one of the most

01:21:04.780 important messengers

01:21:05.660 someone sent by god

01:21:07.900 to change minds

01:21:09.440 and hearts

01:21:10.060 on the most

01:21:10.920 important

01:21:11.780 divisive

01:21:13.860 difficult issues

01:21:15.020 of our time

01:21:15.680 uh

01:21:17.340 may i just say

01:21:18.640 something

01:21:18.960 positive

01:21:19.400 yeah

01:21:22.400 yeah

01:21:22.980 i've made a pact

01:21:25.920 with myself

01:21:26.660 to uh

01:21:27.740 start my day

01:21:28.340 every day

01:21:28.880 with uh

01:21:30.900 before i

01:21:31.940 before i get out

01:21:33.060 of bed

01:21:33.280 before i do

01:21:33.700 anything else

01:21:34.280 just

01:21:35.300 say three things

01:21:40.140 that i

01:21:40.640 that i know

01:21:42.000 are true

01:21:43.420 about god

01:21:44.340 i know he lives

01:21:46.580 i know he's not

01:21:48.140 neutral

01:21:48.620 and i know

01:21:50.340 he protects

01:21:51.100 us

01:21:51.560 um

01:21:53.440 if you know

01:21:56.680 that god

01:21:57.420 lives

01:21:58.300 and he is

01:21:59.300 not neutral

01:22:00.180 and that he loves

01:22:02.180 all of us

01:22:03.000 he is our dad

01:22:04.440 something good

01:22:06.280 is going to come

01:22:07.200 of this

01:22:07.760 it always does

01:22:09.860 it always does

01:22:11.300 um

01:22:12.580 i don't know

01:22:14.140 how

01:22:14.520 but something

01:22:15.820 good

01:22:16.360 and glorious

01:22:17.420 is going to

01:22:18.440 come from

01:22:19.080 this

01:22:19.460 uh

01:22:20.460 because god

01:22:20.980 is not

01:22:21.660 neutral

01:22:22.480 in the affairs

01:22:23.200 of man

01:22:23.640 but neither

01:22:24.800 is satan

01:22:26.380 neither is

01:22:27.520 the darkness

01:22:28.280 that is

01:22:29.200 real

01:22:30.240 and we are

01:22:31.220 battling that

01:22:32.300 and the sooner

01:22:33.380 people understand

01:22:34.420 that you are

01:22:35.740 not fighting

01:22:36.620 flesh and bone

01:22:37.500 you are

01:22:37.960 fighting evil

01:22:39.400 uh

01:22:40.960 the sooner

01:22:42.160 we'll

01:22:42.580 be able to

01:22:44.020 uh

01:22:44.940 dismiss evil

01:22:45.980 and go

01:22:46.800 back

01:22:47.200 to god

01:22:47.760 if they

01:22:49.840 don't

01:22:50.220 if they

01:22:51.000 don't find

01:22:51.460 this person

01:22:52.180 then you're

01:22:54.840 right

01:22:55.020 it's going to

01:22:55.440 feel like

01:22:55.780 open season

01:22:56.440 then there

01:22:57.380 is not

01:22:57.860 a person

01:22:58.980 on the

01:22:59.540 right

01:22:59.820 who is

01:23:01.200 going to

01:23:01.560 walk

01:23:01.760 comfortably

01:23:02.200 anywhere

01:23:03.180 in public

01:23:03.940 this

01:23:04.820 this shooter

01:23:05.880 must be

01:23:07.280 captured

01:23:07.700 and must

01:23:08.980 be brought

01:23:09.380 to justice

01:23:10.020 and more

01:23:11.000 than that

01:23:11.640 megan

01:23:12.620 the

01:23:14.040 the

01:23:14.480 left

01:23:15.640 must

01:23:16.940 must

01:23:18.100 speak out

01:23:19.360 against this

01:23:20.160 they must

01:23:21.260 all of them

01:23:22.500 all of them

01:23:23.860 all of them

01:23:25.000 the media

01:23:25.980 must

01:23:26.840 make this

01:23:27.580 into a big

01:23:28.380 deal

01:23:28.720 if they bury

01:23:29.920 this in two

01:23:30.640 days

01:23:31.120 it's going

01:23:34.100 to keep

01:23:34.440 happening

01:23:34.820 it's going

01:23:35.580 to keep

01:23:35.960 happening

01:23:36.300 our FBI

01:23:37.620 our DOJ

01:23:38.720 must do

01:23:39.800 an investigation

01:23:40.480 and must

01:23:41.520 open

01:23:42.040 investigations

01:23:42.880 on all

01:23:43.860 of those

01:23:44.440 revolutionary

01:23:45.360 groups

01:23:46.980 that are

01:23:48.020 pumping this

01:23:48.780 poison

01:23:49.440 into our

01:23:50.200 system

01:23:50.600 we must

01:23:51.800 get

01:23:52.500 legally

01:23:53.460 serious

01:23:54.520 and have

01:23:55.620 legal

01:23:56.300 consequences

01:23:57.160 for

01:23:58.200 these

01:23:58.940 these

01:23:59.900 revolutionaries

01:24:00.760 who are just

01:24:01.260 planting this

01:24:02.000 poison all

01:24:02.820 throughout our

01:24:03.260 society

01:24:03.740 people that

01:24:07.820 are in our

01:24:08.240 police

01:24:08.680 departments

01:24:09.200 in Salt

01:24:09.640 Lake

01:24:09.880 God

01:24:10.140 protect

01:24:11.540 those

01:24:12.080 who are

01:24:13.440 in our

01:24:13.840 DOJ

01:24:14.640 and FBI

01:24:15.920 God

01:24:17.360 they're there

01:24:18.040 thank God

01:24:19.200 thank God

01:24:19.640 thank God

01:24:20.060 it's Trump

01:24:20.560 thank God

01:24:21.200 it's Cash

01:24:21.720 and Dan

01:24:22.180 thank God

01:24:23.180 for Pam

01:24:23.560 Bondi

01:24:24.040 thank God

01:24:24.560 we have

01:24:24.900 this team

01:24:25.320 in there

01:24:25.740 do you know

01:24:26.980 what our

01:24:27.340 country would

01:24:27.880 be like

01:24:28.320 if

01:24:28.640 today

01:24:29.860 if he

01:24:30.400 had

01:24:30.620 won

01:24:31.000 I don't

01:24:32.100 know if

01:24:32.380 we would

01:24:32.640 still have

01:24:33.040 a country

01:24:33.460 and

01:24:34.920 and you

01:24:35.600 know

01:24:35.780 one of

01:24:36.200 the reasons

01:24:36.880 why we

01:24:37.400 got

01:24:37.580 Trump

01:24:37.880 is

01:24:38.040 Charlie

01:24:38.360 Kirk

01:24:38.660 we all

01:24:40.680 play our

01:24:41.080 part in

01:24:41.480 some

01:24:41.780 small way

01:24:42.840 but there

01:24:43.420 is no denying

01:24:44.280 the effect

01:24:44.760 Charlie Kirk

01:24:45.300 had on this

01:24:45.860 election

01:24:46.220 big reason

01:24:48.140 that's why

01:24:49.680 he was a

01:24:50.180 target

01:24:50.540 can I tell

01:24:52.000 you he

01:24:52.360 came on

01:24:52.900 the show

01:24:53.240 I mentioned

01:24:53.660 this earlier

01:24:54.060 and we

01:24:54.380 played the

01:24:54.780 soundbite

01:24:55.100 from his

01:24:55.600 show

01:24:55.900 when he

01:24:57.100 the night

01:24:57.500 Trump won

01:24:58.020 when he

01:24:59.440 came on

01:24:59.840 my show

01:25:00.140 just days

01:25:00.520 after Trump

01:25:01.020 won

01:25:01.300 I love

01:25:02.060 the clip

01:25:02.440 so much

01:25:02.880 I played

01:25:03.280 it for

01:25:03.560 him

01:25:03.780 and we

01:25:04.560 had an

01:25:05.080 exchange

01:25:05.420 about it

01:25:05.900 I want

01:25:06.240 to play

01:25:06.500 it now

01:25:06.860 I was

01:25:12.300 humbled

01:25:12.660 and blown

01:25:13.040 away

01:25:13.340 because

01:25:13.880 I

01:25:14.400 throughout

01:25:14.820 this

01:25:15.140 entire

01:25:15.540 thing

01:25:15.940 I'm

01:25:16.100 getting

01:25:16.240 emotional

01:25:16.580 thinking

01:25:16.880 about it

01:25:17.380 and I'm

01:25:18.640 sure you

01:25:18.920 agree

01:25:19.120 Megan

01:25:19.380 I said

01:25:19.800 there's

01:25:20.000 no way

01:25:20.320 they're

01:25:20.480 going to

01:25:20.660 let us

01:25:21.220 do this

01:25:21.660 something's

01:25:23.000 going to

01:25:23.220 happen

01:25:23.520 right

01:25:23.940 and again

01:25:24.540 call it

01:25:24.940 paranoia

01:25:25.520 call it

01:25:26.580 just

01:25:28.020 trying to be

01:25:28.800 ahead of the

01:25:29.200 curve

01:25:29.480 and I'm

01:25:30.740 sitting in

01:25:31.100 the seat

01:25:31.380 right here

01:25:31.860 where I

01:25:32.540 saw Trump

01:25:32.960 got shot

01:25:33.540 and like

01:25:36.100 they tried

01:25:36.960 to kill him

01:25:37.440 and indict him

01:25:38.060 and it's like

01:25:38.400 at every turn

01:25:39.140 I'm like

01:25:39.420 here we go

01:25:39.920 the regime

01:25:40.800 is striking

01:25:41.240 back

01:25:41.680 right

01:25:42.000 and it's

01:25:43.700 just

01:25:43.880 you don't

01:25:44.720 think

01:25:45.060 you're

01:25:45.240 actually

01:25:45.660 going

01:25:45.840 to get

01:25:46.140 there

01:25:46.360 because

01:25:46.840 we've

01:25:47.660 been

01:25:47.780 programmed

01:25:48.240 to just

01:25:49.140 say that

01:25:49.600 like

01:25:49.780 powerful

01:25:50.200 people

01:25:50.580 get what

01:25:50.940 they

01:25:51.080 want

01:25:51.380 right

01:25:51.720 and

01:25:52.720 it's

01:25:53.940 yeah

01:25:55.040 he was

01:25:55.400 one

01:25:55.680 millimeter

01:25:56.100 from this

01:25:56.580 whole

01:25:56.980 country

01:25:57.620 just going

01:25:58.080 into

01:25:58.260 bedlam

01:25:58.720 and

01:25:59.120 what

01:25:59.780 if

01:25:59.900 one

01:26:00.020 of

01:26:00.080 these

01:26:00.220 trials

01:26:00.680 would

01:26:00.820 have

01:26:00.900 went

01:26:01.020 differently

01:26:01.480 right

01:26:01.840 what

01:26:02.180 if

01:26:02.360 Jack

01:26:02.920 Smith

01:26:03.260 would

01:26:03.480 have

01:26:03.620 rushed

01:26:04.260 his

01:26:04.460 cases

01:26:04.900 and

01:26:05.100 this

01:26:05.260 I

01:26:05.700 mean

01:26:05.840 like

01:26:06.000 a

01:26:06.160 million

01:26:06.400 different

01:26:06.720 things

01:26:07.040 right

01:26:07.320 and

01:26:08.360 there

01:26:08.880 you

01:26:09.040 go

01:26:12.000 I

01:26:12.640 just

01:26:12.920 again

01:26:13.900 glory

01:26:14.340 be

01:26:14.520 to

01:26:14.640 God

01:26:14.860 is

01:26:14.980 all

01:26:15.100 I

01:26:15.200 can

01:26:15.320 say

01:26:15.560 because

01:26:15.980 I

01:26:16.280 believe

01:26:16.680 there's

01:26:16.940 a

01:26:17.040 divine

01:26:17.340 element

01:26:17.720 I

01:26:18.580 asked

01:26:18.940 the

01:26:19.140 question

01:26:19.640 is

01:26:20.300 God

01:26:20.560 done

01:26:20.820 with

01:26:21.020 this

01:26:21.220 land

01:26:21.520 I

01:26:21.720 don't

01:26:21.920 think

01:26:22.160 it

01:26:22.300 what

01:26:22.540 he

01:26:22.840 is

01:26:23.160 I

01:26:23.640 think

01:26:23.880 that

01:26:24.260 the

01:26:25.780 evil

01:26:26.200 that

01:26:26.440 you've

01:26:27.540 covered

01:26:27.860 of this

01:26:28.260 butchery

01:26:28.660 of children

01:26:29.120 is going

01:26:29.440 to come

01:26:29.700 to an

01:26:29.980 end

01:26:30.220 this

01:26:30.780 evil

01:26:31.100 of

01:26:31.260 allowing

01:26:31.540 men

01:26:31.780 and

01:26:31.920 female

01:26:32.220 sports

01:26:32.660 is going

01:26:32.900 to come

01:26:33.140 to an

01:26:33.460 end

01:26:33.740 and

01:26:34.620 we

01:26:36.440 were

01:26:36.600 blessed

01:26:37.100 to play

01:26:37.420 a small

01:26:42.000 servant

01:26:42.540 is

01:26:45.200 God

01:26:45.420 done

01:26:45.660 with

01:26:45.820 this

01:26:45.960 world

01:26:46.200 I

01:26:46.400 don't

01:26:46.560 think

01:26:46.760 he

01:26:46.880 is

01:26:47.120 I

01:26:48.160 don't

01:26:48.300 think

01:26:48.480 so

01:26:48.780 says

01:26:49.760 Charlie

01:26:50.180 having

01:26:51.700 no

01:26:51.920 idea

01:26:52.320 about

01:26:53.600 the

01:26:53.800 true

01:26:54.020 sacrifice

01:26:54.500 that

01:26:54.980 he

01:26:55.100 was

01:26:55.280 making

01:26:55.640 in

01:26:56.360 order

01:26:56.500 to

01:26:56.640 make

01:26:56.760 this

01:26:56.940 happen

01:26:57.220 that

01:26:57.500 the

01:26:57.640 true

01:26:57.860 sacrifice

01:26:58.340 becoming

01:26:58.720 a

01:26:58.900 public

01:26:59.120 figure

01:26:59.500 putting

01:26:59.820 himself

01:27:00.140 out

01:27:00.340 there

01:27:00.460 taking

01:27:00.700 these

01:27:00.900 risks

01:27:01.220 would

01:27:01.980 require

01:27:02.460 of

01:27:02.760 him

01:27:03.020 you

01:27:03.720 know

01:27:03.900 how

01:27:04.920 could

01:27:05.060 he

01:27:05.180 possibly

01:27:05.580 know

01:27:05.920 these

01:27:06.200 are

01:27:06.300 not

01:27:06.520 the

01:27:06.720 stakes

01:27:07.060 for

01:27:07.280 which

01:27:07.520 we

01:27:07.780 are

01:27:08.020 typically

01:27:08.440 playing

01:27:08.980 he

01:27:10.900 I

01:27:12.200 don't

01:27:12.340 know

01:27:12.580 he

01:27:13.660 was

01:27:13.800 a

01:27:13.940 faithful

01:27:14.220 man

01:27:14.500 that

01:27:14.660 brings

01:27:14.860 me

01:27:14.960 a lot

01:27:15.160 of

01:27:15.260 comfort

01:27:15.560 Glenn

01:27:15.900 I

01:27:16.340 feel

01:27:16.460 like

01:27:16.600 he's

01:27:16.780 home

01:27:16.960 with

01:27:17.100 his

01:27:17.200 maker

01:27:17.500 he

01:27:18.440 is

01:27:18.660 home

01:27:19.020 and

01:27:19.540 there

01:27:19.800 is

01:27:20.040 a

01:27:20.320 celebration

01:27:22.420 on the

01:27:24.940 other

01:27:25.120 side

01:27:25.480 bringing

01:27:25.900 him

01:27:26.140 home

01:27:26.440 he

01:27:27.340 is

01:27:27.700 he

01:27:29.720 is

01:27:30.100 he

01:27:30.320 has

01:27:30.560 done

01:27:31.000 his

01:27:31.760 work

01:27:32.180 and

01:27:33.200 he

01:27:33.360 did

01:27:33.580 it

01:27:33.800 well

01:27:34.140 I

01:27:34.400 know

01:27:34.700 him

01:27:34.900 as

01:27:35.180 a

01:27:35.320 man

01:27:35.500 of

01:27:35.700 faith

01:27:36.060 he

01:27:38.200 was

01:27:38.380 a

01:27:38.840 good

01:27:39.260 decent

01:27:40.340 honorable

01:27:41.160 man

01:27:41.780 of

01:27:42.180 faith

01:27:42.520 who

01:27:42.720 was

01:27:42.900 growing

01:27:43.380 in

01:27:43.700 his

01:27:43.900 faith

01:27:44.240 he

01:27:46.080 has

01:27:46.320 been

01:27:46.660 welcomed

01:27:48.640 home

01:27:49.040 with

01:27:49.240 open

01:27:49.520 arms

01:27:49.940 Megan

01:27:51.720 I

01:27:51.980 have

01:27:52.680 to

01:27:52.820 go

01:27:53.020 but

01:27:55.900 I

01:27:56.000 thank

01:27:56.260 you

01:27:56.400 for

01:27:56.560 talking

01:27:56.880 to

01:27:57.080 me

01:27:57.220 today

01:27:57.540 thank

01:27:58.040 you

01:27:58.160 so

01:27:58.300 much

01:27:58.440 Glenn

01:27:58.700 all

01:27:59.360 the

01:27:59.500 love

01:27:59.980 in

01:28:00.080 the

01:28:00.160 world

01:28:00.280 to

01:28:00.440 you

01:28:00.620 so

01:28:01.260 much

01:28:01.420 respect

01:28:01.700 stay

01:28:02.720 safe

01:28:02.940 soon

01:28:03.360 for

01:28:06.380 the

01:28:06.540 audience

01:28:06.940 just

01:28:07.780 joining

01:28:08.040 us

01:28:08.320 Charlie

01:28:10.880 Kirk

01:28:11.160 was

01:28:11.480 shot

01:28:11.760 today

01:28:12.120 on

01:28:13.620 campus

01:28:14.080 at

01:28:14.400 Utah

01:28:14.720 Valley

01:28:15.160 University

01:28:15.980 the

01:28:17.500 reports

01:28:18.420 coming

01:28:18.800 out

01:28:19.060 of

01:28:19.220 Deseret

01:28:19.720 News

01:28:20.100 and

01:28:21.140 Just

01:28:21.440 the

01:28:21.640 News

01:28:21.900 that's

01:28:22.380 John

01:28:22.580 Solomon's

01:28:23.040 organization

01:28:23.500 former

01:28:23.880 AP

01:28:24.160 reporter

01:28:24.740 very

01:28:25.580 solid

01:28:25.900 and his

01:28:26.300 government

01:28:26.660 sources

01:28:27.020 in

01:28:27.200 particular

01:28:27.560 are

01:28:28.560 reporting

01:28:28.900 that

01:28:29.100 he

01:28:29.200 has

01:28:29.380 died

01:28:29.680 it

01:28:30.800 is

01:28:30.880 not

01:28:31.080 being

01:28:31.260 widely

01:28:31.600 reported

01:28:32.080 yet

01:28:33.100 though

01:28:34.320 the

01:28:34.500 shooting

01:28:35.100 is

01:28:35.400 confirmed

01:28:36.000 and

01:28:36.300 understood

01:28:36.640 the

01:28:39.120 university

01:28:39.560 has

01:28:39.800 said

01:28:39.980 we

01:28:40.120 can

01:28:40.240 confirm

01:28:40.600 that

01:28:40.780 he

01:28:40.880 was

01:28:41.020 shot

01:28:41.280 we

01:28:41.460 don't

01:28:41.680 know

01:28:41.840 his

01:28:42.000 condition

01:28:42.420 the

01:28:42.660 suspect

01:28:43.060 is

01:28:43.720 not

01:28:44.060 in

01:28:44.280 custody

01:28:44.660 that

01:28:45.760 was

01:28:45.900 an

01:28:46.020 amendment

01:28:46.340 to

01:28:46.660 what

01:28:46.820 was

01:28:46.960 earlier

01:28:47.260 reported

01:28:47.780 where

01:28:48.060 they

01:28:48.220 did

01:28:48.420 have

01:28:48.640 an

01:28:48.820 older

01:28:49.100 gentleman

01:28:49.500 in

01:28:50.240 custody

01:28:50.620 saying

01:28:51.100 I

01:28:51.320 have

01:28:51.500 my

01:28:51.680 right

01:28:51.860 to

01:28:52.020 remain

01:28:52.280 silent

01:28:52.740 and

01:28:53.080 was

01:28:53.340 being

01:28:53.620 handcuffed

01:28:54.340 did

01:28:54.940 they

01:28:55.080 now

01:28:55.300 say

01:28:55.620 it

01:28:56.320 wasn't

01:28:56.620 him

01:28:56.920 his

01:28:58.560 wife

01:28:58.800 Erica

01:28:59.220 and

01:28:59.940 their

01:29:00.080 two

01:29:00.300 children

01:29:00.820 must

01:29:01.760 be

01:29:01.920 in

01:29:02.060 some

01:29:02.340 agonizing

01:29:03.620 pain

01:29:03.960 right

01:29:04.200 now

01:29:04.500 I

01:29:04.940 can

01:29:05.060 only

01:29:05.340 imagine

01:29:05.800 this

01:29:07.600 is

01:29:07.780 from

01:29:08.160 oh

01:29:10.560 oh

01:29:14.940 good

01:29:15.200 god

01:29:15.580 yeah

01:29:18.900 he's

01:29:21.920 dead

01:29:22.220 it's

01:29:26.740 official

01:29:27.160 it's

01:29:28.100 from

01:29:28.260 the

01:29:28.420 COO

01:29:29.000 of

01:29:29.300 turning

01:29:29.560 point

01:29:29.880 who

01:29:31.320 just

01:29:31.600 tweeted

01:29:31.900 out

01:29:32.260 dear

01:29:33.320 turning

01:29:33.640 point

01:29:33.820 USA

01:29:34.140 family

01:29:34.680 it's

01:29:36.100 with

01:29:36.240 a

01:29:36.380 heavy

01:29:36.600 heart

01:29:36.960 that

01:29:38.220 we

01:29:38.580 the

01:29:38.960 turning

01:29:39.140 point

01:29:39.380 USA

01:29:39.660 leadership

01:29:40.120 team

01:29:40.620 write

01:29:41.280 to

01:29:41.440 notify

01:29:41.740 you

01:29:42.100 that

01:29:42.600 earlier

01:29:42.900 this

01:29:43.140 afternoon

01:29:43.480 Charlie

01:29:43.920 went

01:29:44.240 to

01:29:44.380 his

01:29:44.540 eternal

01:29:44.900 reward

01:29:45.400 with

01:29:45.640 Jesus

01:29:45.980 Christ

01:29:46.400 in

01:29:46.600 heaven

01:29:46.920 we're

01:29:49.740 still

01:29:49.940 gathering

01:29:50.360 more

01:29:50.600 information

01:29:51.120 and

01:29:52.580 will

01:29:52.800 come

01:29:53.060 to

01:29:53.200 you

01:29:53.320 soon

01:29:53.580 with

01:29:53.740 updates

01:29:54.180 however

01:29:54.500 in

01:29:54.760 the

01:29:54.860 meantime

01:29:55.260 turning

01:29:55.780 point

01:29:56.000 USA

01:29:56.300 and

01:29:56.620 turning

01:29:56.840 point

01:29:57.040 action

01:29:57.480 will

01:29:58.000 be

01:29:58.160 closed

01:29:58.420 for

01:29:58.540 business

01:29:58.940 until

01:29:59.280 Monday

01:29:59.620 the

01:29:59.820 15th

01:30:00.500 likely

01:30:00.860 longer

01:30:01.300 if you're

01:30:03.940 in the

01:30:04.100 field

01:30:04.300 or

01:30:04.460 traveling

01:30:04.840 please

01:30:06.800 cancel

01:30:07.080 everything

01:30:07.440 and return

01:30:07.860 home

01:30:08.060 immediately

01:30:08.500 all

01:30:09.140 internal

01:30:09.540 external

01:30:09.960 meetings

01:30:10.340 etc.

01:30:10.820 are

01:30:10.940 canceled

01:30:11.260 please

01:30:12.380 pray

01:30:12.720 sincerely

01:30:13.280 Justin

01:30:14.840 and then

01:30:15.260 they

01:30:15.380 offer

01:30:15.680 grieving

01:30:16.160 services

01:30:18.020 counseling

01:30:18.620 services

01:30:19.020 for their

01:30:19.460 team

01:30:19.800 I am

01:30:22.900 so sorry

01:30:23.660 to be

01:30:24.360 bringing

01:30:24.760 you this

01:30:25.340 news

01:30:25.820 I am

01:30:27.460 so sorry

01:30:28.360 I'm sorry

01:30:28.960 for what

01:30:29.340 it means

01:30:29.720 for our

01:30:31.400 country

01:30:31.920 for Charlie

01:30:32.860 poor dear

01:30:33.980 Charlie

01:30:34.500 and his

01:30:35.140 family

01:30:35.560 sorry

01:30:37.420 for what

01:30:38.000 it's gonna

01:30:40.220 mean for

01:30:40.720 the debates

01:30:41.240 that we

01:30:42.140 have yet

01:30:42.560 to have

01:30:43.080 that he

01:30:43.880 would have

01:30:44.160 won

01:30:44.520 he would

01:30:44.940 have put

01:30:45.240 everyone

01:30:45.600 to shame

01:30:46.080 on as

01:30:46.600 he had

01:30:46.960 been

01:30:47.260 and I'm

01:30:50.120 angry

01:30:50.560 really

01:30:51.660 fucking

01:30:52.000 angry

01:30:52.360 about

01:30:53.080 how this

01:30:54.000 happened

01:30:54.380 why this

01:30:55.400 happened

01:30:55.740 and why

01:30:56.540 we don't

01:30:56.880 have

01:30:57.220 a person

01:30:58.820 in custody

01:30:59.380 okay

01:31:02.580 Donald

01:31:04.240 Trump

01:31:04.540 just weighing

01:31:06.360 in

01:31:06.600 the great

01:31:08.480 and even

01:31:09.120 legendary

01:31:09.680 Charlie

01:31:10.120 Kirk

01:31:10.420 is dead

01:31:11.080 no one

01:31:15.540 understood

01:31:16.040 or had

01:31:16.740 the heart

01:31:17.200 of the

01:31:17.600 youth

01:31:17.880 in the

01:31:19.060 United

01:31:19.260 States

01:31:19.540 of

01:31:19.700 America

01:31:19.960 better

01:31:20.220 than

01:31:20.400 Charlie

01:31:20.740 he was

01:31:21.800 loved

01:31:22.040 and admired

01:31:22.560 by all

01:31:23.160 especially

01:31:23.960 me

01:31:24.320 and now

01:31:24.900 he is

01:31:25.700 no longer

01:31:26.120 with us

01:31:26.720 Melania

01:31:27.860 and my

01:31:28.240 sympathies

01:31:28.760 go out

01:31:29.380 to his

01:31:29.620 beautiful

01:31:30.000 wife Erica

01:31:30.620 and family

01:31:31.400 Charlie

01:31:31.940 we love

01:31:32.820 you

01:31:33.660 Emily

01:31:37.220 Jashinsky

01:31:37.660 is with

01:31:38.040 me

01:31:38.320 it's

01:31:40.900 it's

01:31:41.200 really

01:31:41.420 too

01:31:41.680 painful

01:31:42.000 to

01:31:42.200 really

01:31:42.420 comprehend

01:31:43.040 right now

01:31:43.500 you know

01:31:44.040 it's like

01:31:44.360 it's too

01:31:45.540 big

01:31:45.940 and it's

01:31:46.280 too

01:31:46.520 severe

01:31:47.120 a loss

01:31:48.300 it's

01:31:48.880 too

01:31:49.320 profound

01:31:50.460 a commentary

01:31:51.160 on who

01:31:52.000 we are

01:31:52.320 as a

01:31:52.580 country

01:31:52.960 it's

01:31:54.180 overwhelming

01:31:54.600 Megan

01:31:57.120 I've been

01:31:57.400 watching

01:31:57.620 your whole

01:31:57.960 broadcast

01:31:58.460 and I

01:31:58.740 don't

01:31:58.820 know

01:31:58.920 how

01:31:59.040 you've

01:31:59.200 done

01:31:59.340 it

01:31:59.600 we can

01:32:05.780 find

01:32:05.940 comfort

01:32:06.260 in

01:32:06.520 Romans

01:32:07.020 8

01:32:07.300 28

01:32:07.740 all

01:32:09.580 things

01:32:09.840 happen

01:32:10.160 for the

01:32:10.540 good

01:32:10.760 of those

01:32:11.240 who

01:32:11.380 are

01:32:11.500 called

01:32:11.860 according

01:32:12.300 to

01:32:12.560 his

01:32:12.760 purpose

01:32:13.200 all

01:32:14.660 things

01:32:14.940 happen

01:32:15.200 for the

01:32:15.480 good

01:32:15.660 of those

01:32:16.120 who

01:32:16.240 are

01:32:16.320 called

01:32:16.560 according

01:32:16.980 to

01:32:17.200 his

01:32:17.380 purpose

01:32:17.800 and

01:32:18.980 that's

01:32:19.480 not

01:32:19.660 always

01:32:19.880 immediately

01:32:20.280 obvious

01:32:20.720 to

01:32:20.960 us

01:32:21.280 but

01:32:22.140 we

01:32:22.300 can

01:32:22.500 take

01:32:22.780 comfort

01:32:23.060 in

01:32:23.260 it

01:32:23.360 now

01:32:23.620 you

01:32:25.240 know

01:32:25.400 I

01:32:26.060 didn't

01:32:26.200 know

01:32:26.320 Charlie

01:32:26.560 as well

01:32:26.840 as you

01:32:27.060 did

01:32:27.240 but

01:32:27.580 we

01:32:27.840 did

01:32:28.000 come

01:32:28.200 up

01:32:28.340 together

01:32:28.640 Charlie

01:32:29.020 was

01:32:29.200 31

01:32:29.600 I

01:32:29.920 was

01:32:30.060 32

01:32:30.540 I

01:32:31.120 am

01:32:31.320 32

01:32:31.720 I

01:32:31.940 can't

01:32:32.140 believe

01:32:32.280 I'm

01:32:32.420 using

01:32:32.580 past tense

01:32:33.160 to talk

01:32:33.760 about

01:32:33.980 Charlie

01:32:34.900 Kirk

01:32:35.100 right

01:32:35.300 now

01:32:35.580 but

01:32:36.520 you

01:32:37.680 know

01:32:37.900 he

01:32:38.440 Glenn

01:32:39.240 Beck

01:32:39.640 just

01:32:39.800 said

01:32:39.980 something

01:32:40.360 right

01:32:41.280 before

01:32:41.480 he

01:32:41.660 left

01:32:41.920 that

01:32:42.080 I

01:32:42.220 thought

01:32:42.380 was

01:32:42.540 really

01:32:42.760 important

01:32:43.140 he

01:32:43.360 said

01:32:43.500 Charlie

01:32:43.840 had

01:32:43.980 been

01:32:44.080 on

01:32:44.220 his

01:32:44.380 faith

01:32:44.600 journey

01:32:44.860 he

01:32:45.000 had

01:32:45.120 grown

01:32:45.480 in his

01:32:46.120 faith

01:32:46.360 journey

01:32:46.740 and I

01:32:47.700 think

01:32:47.880 that's

01:32:48.080 something

01:32:48.240 that's

01:32:48.460 really

01:32:48.640 abundantly

01:32:49.100 obvious

01:32:49.540 as

01:32:50.140 people

01:32:50.580 have

01:32:50.780 watched

01:32:51.140 his

01:32:51.660 career

01:32:52.220 not only

01:32:53.160 did he

01:32:53.740 evolve

01:32:54.500 with

01:32:55.580 the

01:32:55.980 culture

01:32:56.380 and I

01:32:57.180 think

01:32:57.340 start to

01:32:57.880 really

01:32:58.560 dial in

01:32:59.300 to the

01:33:00.260 deep

01:33:00.740 and evil

01:33:02.060 roots of

01:33:02.700 some of

01:33:02.980 the cultural

01:33:03.360 sicknesses

01:33:03.960 that we

01:33:04.220 experience

01:33:04.760 in fact

01:33:05.300 that we're

01:33:05.580 experiencing

01:33:05.980 right now

01:33:06.480 but I

01:33:06.800 think also

01:33:07.300 he

01:33:08.140 nudged

01:33:09.520 our culture

01:33:11.260 along with

01:33:12.080 him

01:33:12.340 and he

01:33:13.480 did it

01:33:13.880 he's been

01:33:14.700 a part

01:33:15.080 of this

01:33:15.520 revolution

01:33:16.300 technologically

01:33:17.740 that we've

01:33:18.180 seen

01:33:18.460 and I

01:33:18.900 think

01:33:19.200 of

01:33:19.780 you've

01:33:20.300 mentioned

01:33:20.540 this a

01:33:20.800 couple

01:33:20.960 of times

01:33:21.300 over the

01:33:21.500 course

01:33:21.640 of the

01:33:21.780 broadcast

01:33:22.080 all of

01:33:22.620 the people

01:33:23.060 who have

01:33:24.080 seen

01:33:24.360 Charlie

01:33:24.760 on their

01:33:25.800 little

01:33:26.260 screens

01:33:26.800 on their

01:33:27.260 iPhones

01:33:27.700 almost

01:33:28.820 every

01:33:29.760 day

01:33:30.540 sometimes

01:33:31.220 multiple

01:33:31.800 times a

01:33:32.280 day

01:33:32.420 just as

01:33:32.820 they're

01:33:33.000 scrolling

01:33:33.300 through

01:33:33.580 TikTok

01:33:33.980 or

01:33:34.500 YouTube

01:33:34.920 shorts

01:33:35.440 or

01:33:35.720 Twitter

01:33:36.100 and

01:33:37.880 those

01:33:38.620 people

01:33:39.020 Gen Z

01:33:39.720 I mean

01:33:40.540 he's almost

01:33:40.920 as close

01:33:41.360 to monoculture

01:33:42.060 as Gen Z

01:33:42.640 gets

01:33:43.040 everybody

01:33:43.880 felt like

01:33:44.380 they knew

01:33:44.700 Charlie

01:33:45.020 Kirk

01:33:45.360 even if

01:33:46.100 they didn't

01:33:46.300 like

01:33:46.500 Charlie

01:33:46.760 Kirk

01:33:46.960 they felt

01:33:47.320 like

01:33:47.520 they knew

01:33:47.880 Charlie

01:33:48.220 Kirk

01:33:48.500 they felt

01:33:48.880 like

01:33:49.000 they knew

01:33:49.580 Charlie

01:33:50.200 Kirk

01:33:50.460 and they

01:33:50.840 saw

01:33:51.140 him

01:33:51.480 grow up

01:33:52.200 and so

01:33:52.980 I think

01:33:53.560 you've

01:33:53.940 mentioned

01:33:54.180 this a

01:33:54.500 couple

01:33:54.660 of times

01:33:55.100 we are

01:33:55.940 if

01:33:56.160 anything

01:33:56.600 underestimating

01:33:57.580 as a

01:33:58.740 society

01:33:59.480 right now

01:34:00.200 how profoundly

01:34:02.380 this will

01:34:02.900 reverberate

01:34:03.680 on the

01:34:05.500 culture

01:34:05.840 yeah

01:34:06.860 yes

01:34:07.640 this

01:34:08.160 I don't

01:34:09.200 I don't

01:34:09.500 know if

01:34:09.720 the left

01:34:10.000 fully comprehends

01:34:10.860 how important

01:34:11.360 he was to

01:34:11.900 us

01:34:12.160 I really

01:34:12.940 don't

01:34:13.200 I'm not

01:34:13.480 sure they

01:34:13.800 appreciate

01:34:14.400 they tried

01:34:15.740 to marginalize

01:34:16.560 him and

01:34:17.020 make him

01:34:17.440 into this

01:34:17.980 fringy

01:34:18.800 character

01:34:19.240 who was

01:34:19.700 just some

01:34:20.060 sort of

01:34:20.320 nutcase

01:34:20.960 who would

01:34:21.260 go on

01:34:21.620 campuses

01:34:22.060 and stir

01:34:23.000 up shit

01:34:23.420 and that

01:34:24.340 that is

01:34:24.520 such a

01:34:25.440 misrepresentation

01:34:26.420 of this

01:34:26.860 noble

01:34:27.580 person

01:34:28.240 and I

01:34:30.280 like

01:34:30.620 I don't

01:34:31.560 have my

01:34:31.820 team sending

01:34:32.440 me

01:34:32.860 the nasty

01:34:35.220 fucking

01:34:35.700 things that

01:34:36.240 people are

01:34:36.720 posting on

01:34:37.480 blue sky

01:34:38.120 and the

01:34:39.300 idiocy

01:34:40.020 happening on

01:34:40.660 MSNBC

01:34:41.300 I can't

01:34:42.620 tolerate it

01:34:43.400 right now

01:34:43.660 I just don't

01:34:44.100 I don't have

01:34:44.660 any

01:34:44.920 I can't

01:34:45.900 handle it

01:34:46.240 right now

01:34:46.640 all I can

01:34:47.840 handle is

01:34:48.420 figuring out

01:34:49.500 who did it

01:34:50.080 who fucking

01:34:51.180 did this

01:34:51.780 and bringing

01:34:52.860 them to

01:34:53.220 justice

01:34:53.540 and making

01:34:54.040 sure they

01:34:54.400 don't hurt

01:34:54.740 anybody else

01:34:55.340 and then

01:34:55.700 doing everything

01:34:56.300 we can to

01:34:56.860 do two

01:34:57.180 things supporting

01:34:58.020 his family

01:34:58.620 including his

01:34:59.160 work family

01:34:59.720 and making

01:35:02.360 damn sure

01:35:04.040 that every

01:35:05.380 message he

01:35:07.140 brought is

01:35:08.420 screamed from

01:35:09.800 the mountaintop

01:35:10.760 in in

01:35:12.160 greater volume

01:35:13.020 on more

01:35:13.640 college campuses

01:35:14.520 in fact I'm

01:35:16.580 I'm prepared

01:35:17.200 to go I

01:35:17.720 will go I'll

01:35:18.340 go anywhere

01:35:18.880 that the

01:35:19.480 turning point

01:35:19.860 team wants

01:35:20.320 me to go

01:35:20.720 I will

01:35:21.460 say exactly

01:35:22.300 what Charlie

01:35:22.720 would have

01:35:22.960 said anywhere

01:35:23.660 they asked

01:35:24.240 me to and

01:35:24.740 all of my

01:35:25.240 conservative

01:35:25.580 friends need

01:35:26.060 to do the

01:35:26.440 same and

01:35:27.280 say it the

01:35:27.740 way Charlie

01:35:28.160 would have

01:35:28.440 said it boldly

01:35:29.220 and unafraid

01:35:29.920 that's the

01:35:31.280 only possible

01:35:32.060 way through

01:35:32.540 this to

01:35:33.940 to live up

01:35:35.420 to his

01:35:35.780 legacy continue

01:35:36.940 his messaging

01:35:37.580 and support

01:35:38.900 the enormous

01:35:39.780 family that

01:35:40.480 loved him

01:35:41.020 he wouldn't

01:35:43.280 have it any

01:35:43.900 other way he

01:35:44.480 would he

01:35:46.040 would be so

01:35:46.600 angry at us

01:35:47.400 if he thought

01:35:48.340 that even one

01:35:49.360 of us cowered

01:35:50.020 now if even

01:35:50.960 one of us

01:35:51.460 cowered or

01:35:52.060 stopped

01:35:52.480 yeah

01:35:56.680 yeah

01:35:59.740 he he you

01:36:02.100 know this is

01:36:02.840 over the course

01:36:03.360 of his career

01:36:04.000 his faith grew

01:36:05.680 and we were just

01:36:06.360 talking about this

01:36:06.940 but it was really

01:36:08.060 something that you

01:36:08.700 could see happening

01:36:09.380 in in real time

01:36:10.600 and I think he

01:36:11.600 really came to

01:36:13.400 understand

01:36:14.080 um that this

01:36:15.600 is not just

01:36:16.620 about uh this

01:36:18.640 is not just

01:36:19.100 about red

01:36:20.020 team or blue

01:36:20.600 team but this

01:36:21.500 is about a

01:36:22.360 deeper crisis

01:36:23.440 of meaning

01:36:24.020 and a deeper

01:36:25.100 crisis of

01:36:26.080 purpose and

01:36:27.260 Charlie and I

01:36:28.340 disagreed on

01:36:28.940 things over the

01:36:29.560 years as

01:36:29.900 recently as a

01:36:30.720 couple of weeks

01:36:31.180 ago um you're

01:36:32.240 never publicly

01:36:32.860 that I I can

01:36:34.040 think of but

01:36:34.680 he he developed

01:36:36.660 such a I think

01:36:37.960 a rich

01:36:38.580 appreciation for

01:36:40.480 his his faith

01:36:42.280 and for the

01:36:43.700 importance of

01:36:44.860 seeing politics

01:36:45.780 and faith as

01:36:46.760 being intertwined

01:36:47.660 but also a

01:36:48.620 bravery and

01:36:49.880 that gets

01:36:50.720 missed I mean I

01:36:51.240 feel like we've

01:36:51.820 gotten so used

01:36:53.260 to the America

01:36:54.620 that you grew

01:36:55.400 up in Megan

01:36:55.960 that I grew up

01:36:56.860 in um you

01:36:57.980 know after it

01:36:58.480 felt like the

01:36:58.920 dust had settled

01:36:59.540 from the 1960s

01:37:01.220 and we have

01:37:01.940 this we've been

01:37:02.920 so blessed to

01:37:03.680 live in the

01:37:04.180 sliver of human

01:37:05.080 history that's

01:37:06.520 relatively peaceful

01:37:07.460 the sliver of

01:37:08.520 human history

01:37:08.980 that's relatively

01:37:09.580 peaceful and I

01:37:10.420 think that has

01:37:11.220 uh I sadly

01:37:13.080 think we're

01:37:13.520 looking at that

01:37:14.260 in the rearview

01:37:14.820 mirror every

01:37:15.460 single day more

01:37:16.180 and more um

01:37:17.140 and I think to

01:37:17.960 your point about

01:37:18.880 conservatives going

01:37:20.260 out and being

01:37:20.760 brave now I

01:37:22.800 think we're going

01:37:23.240 to have to get

01:37:23.720 used to legitimately

01:37:25.100 being brave not

01:37:26.140 being brave um

01:37:27.620 you know for

01:37:28.060 posting something

01:37:28.880 controversial on

01:37:29.720 x but really I

01:37:31.600 mean we're talking

01:37:32.480 about historical

01:37:33.260 bravery historical

01:37:34.480 bravery probably

01:37:35.340 absolutely right

01:37:37.600 the

01:37:38.980 that the recent

01:37:41.340 like the last

01:37:42.540 month or two

01:37:43.360 I don't know

01:37:43.980 Charlie had been

01:37:45.280 dabbling with

01:37:46.560 going on Fox

01:37:47.760 here and there

01:37:48.480 which you know

01:37:49.880 was kind of

01:37:50.360 breakthrough because

01:37:51.260 they wouldn't have

01:37:52.620 Charlie Kirk for

01:37:53.820 most of the time

01:37:55.700 I give them no

01:37:56.920 credit for this

01:37:58.020 they they finally

01:37:59.700 caught on to the

01:38:00.500 fact that Charlie

01:38:01.240 was a genius

01:38:02.660 an exceptional

01:38:03.860 talent and

01:38:04.820 decided to oh

01:38:05.700 give him a chance

01:38:06.980 on Fox I'm

01:38:07.800 sorry I'm just

01:38:08.460 feeling bitter

01:38:09.080 right now

01:38:09.620 it's no offense

01:38:12.280 to Fox they

01:38:13.020 gave him a

01:38:13.660 platform and he

01:38:14.440 took it and

01:38:14.840 that's a good

01:38:15.160 thing um he

01:38:17.520 went on Fox

01:38:18.360 and Friends he

01:38:18.820 subbed as a host

01:38:20.340 on Fox and

01:38:20.940 Friends and it

01:38:22.460 was just last

01:38:22.940 month and his

01:38:23.860 daughter came on

01:38:26.600 the set he

01:38:27.660 allowed it and he

01:38:28.600 was fine with it

01:38:29.160 airing so we're

01:38:29.820 going to air it

01:38:30.240 here here it is

01:38:31.980 Emily that poor

01:38:52.440 girl that poor

01:38:54.080 family you know

01:38:56.300 he's never going

01:38:57.740 to walk her down

01:38:58.220 the aisle he's

01:38:59.740 never going to see

01:39:00.340 them grow up he's

01:39:02.700 never going to

01:39:03.060 have another child

01:39:04.040 with his beautiful

01:39:04.960 Erica like he

01:39:06.540 would bring them

01:39:07.180 on the road you

01:39:07.880 know whenever I'd

01:39:08.440 go to these events

01:39:09.040 they'd be there he

01:39:09.980 he his family was

01:39:11.180 everything to him

01:39:11.980 and that fucker

01:39:13.760 shot him down in

01:39:14.960 the prime of his

01:39:15.660 life without a

01:39:17.400 thought without a

01:39:19.000 thought for those

01:39:19.540 children you know

01:39:21.140 and right now he's

01:39:21.900 a he's at large we

01:39:23.600 have no idea who

01:39:25.660 it was what the

01:39:26.980 motivation was do

01:39:28.680 we played a sound

01:39:29.760 bite earlier of

01:39:31.720 an eyewitness who

01:39:34.140 whose name is

01:39:34.860 Justin Hickens

01:39:35.540 speaking at NBC

01:39:36.320 I'll just summarize

01:39:37.440 it if people weren't

01:39:38.340 with us but he said

01:39:39.220 he was 20 yards

01:39:40.540 away he got there a

01:39:42.700 few minutes before

01:39:43.240 noon this is in

01:39:44.620 Utah Utah time there

01:39:45.780 were thousands of

01:39:46.380 people unfortunately

01:39:47.280 there was no metal

01:39:47.920 detector there were

01:39:49.460 none there was

01:39:50.960 security by Charlie

01:39:51.800 but anybody could

01:39:52.460 have shown up with

01:39:53.100 whatever he said I

01:39:55.300 maneuvered my way

01:39:56.020 down close on the

01:39:56.900 side and the first

01:39:57.780 interaction probably

01:39:58.460 took 10 minutes it

01:39:59.440 was a religious

01:40:00.020 related exchange and

01:40:02.000 then there was

01:40:02.380 someone who stepped

01:40:03.080 up he says

01:40:04.520 ironically coincidentally

01:40:05.720 who asked a

01:40:06.320 question about mass

01:40:07.540 shootings and about

01:40:09.500 60 to 90 seconds in

01:40:11.020 we heard a big

01:40:12.700 loud shot and he

01:40:14.600 describes the

01:40:15.460 pandemonium that

01:40:16.240 followed next the

01:40:18.420 former Republican

01:40:20.020 Congressman Jason

01:40:20.760 Chaffetz he's now a

01:40:22.960 Fox News or he was

01:40:23.860 on Fox and he said

01:40:27.380 he was there and he

01:40:29.380 added that the

01:40:30.660 question that they

01:40:31.320 were actually

01:40:31.760 discussing when

01:40:32.800 Charlie was shot was

01:40:34.440 about trans shootings

01:40:36.780 about trans shootings

01:40:38.440 in particular hold on

01:40:39.360 it's I have a long

01:40:40.080 text thread with my

01:40:40.940 team I'm trying to

01:40:41.820 find oh you have

01:40:44.540 the side is it

01:40:45.080 Chaffetz yeah okay

01:40:47.680 here he is let's play

01:40:48.920 it yeah that happened

01:40:51.020 like 35 minutes ago I

01:40:53.020 was there I was up

01:40:55.080 kind of on the

01:40:55.640 second level because

01:40:56.440 I wanted to be in

01:40:57.120 the shade but our

01:40:58.560 daughter was there

01:40:59.160 son-in-law was there

01:41:00.020 my wife was there

01:41:00.960 friends this is our

01:41:02.880 community and you

01:41:05.280 know there's 2,000 or

01:41:07.020 so people the Utah

01:41:08.760 Valley University is

01:41:09.760 our largest university

01:41:10.840 40,000 students and

01:41:12.480 people came out to

01:41:14.000 hear the dialogue the

01:41:14.920 back and forth ask

01:41:16.160 him anything that's

01:41:17.180 what turning point

01:41:17.860 Charlie Kirk's all

01:41:18.740 about ask him

01:41:19.380 anything first question

01:41:21.300 was about religion he

01:41:22.960 he went on for about

01:41:23.860 15 20 minutes second

01:41:25.720 question interestingly

01:41:26.920 was about transgender

01:41:28.800 shooters mass shooters

01:41:30.080 and in the midst of

01:41:32.920 that the shot rang out

01:41:35.720 now I happen to be

01:41:36.880 watching Charlie I can't

01:41:39.260 say I saw blood I can't

01:41:40.980 say I saw him get shot

01:41:42.520 but as soon as that shot

01:41:43.960 went out he fell back

01:41:45.720 into his left and everybody

01:41:49.800 hit the deck everybody's a

01:41:51.960 lot of people started

01:41:52.980 screaming and then

01:41:56.100 everybody started running

01:41:57.100 as you might expect

01:41:58.200 all right now we have and

01:42:02.460 now we have a transcript

01:42:03.400 of the the question that

01:42:04.920 what was happening

01:42:05.560 question from someone in

01:42:07.320 the audience so do you

01:42:08.620 know how many

01:42:09.160 transgender Americans have

01:42:10.560 been mass shooters over

01:42:11.940 the last 10 years Charlie

01:42:14.220 too many to cheers

01:42:16.580 question it's five okay now

01:42:20.260 five is a lot right now I'm

01:42:22.160 going to give you some

01:42:22.900 credit do you know how many

01:42:24.140 mass shooters there have

01:42:25.560 been in America over the

01:42:26.860 last 10 years counting or not

01:42:30.500 counting counting or not

01:42:32.120 counting gang violence asked

01:42:34.120 Charlie and that's when he was

01:42:36.200 shot we have the thought we're

01:42:39.580 going to we're going to play it

01:42:40.480 we are not going to show the

01:42:41.440 the execution that happened

01:42:44.880 but here's the Q&A

01:42:46.260 so do you know how many

01:42:48.540 transgender Americans have

01:42:50.000 been mass shooters over the

01:42:51.240 last 10 years

01:42:51.860 too many

01:42:53.160 okay now five is a lot right

01:43:01.520 I'm going to give you I'm

01:43:02.200 going to give you some credit

01:43:02.720 do you know how many mass

01:43:04.420 shooters there have been in

01:43:05.660 America over the last 10 years

01:43:07.560 counting or not counting gang

01:43:09.200 violence

01:43:09.500 and that's when the shot was

01:43:13.040 fired no idea whether this is

01:43:15.760 related to the trans issue but

01:43:17.300 it's one of the many that

01:43:18.400 Charlie's been leading on and

01:43:20.840 very outspoken on and it's

01:43:22.780 something that was near and

01:43:23.580 dear to his heart and we have

01:43:24.580 seen it too much as he put it

01:43:26.560 too many trans activists turn

01:43:28.740 violent

01:43:29.080 it's

01:43:31.220 the reality of the shooting

01:43:35.800 happening exactly after that

01:43:38.800 exchange is beyond chilling and

01:43:42.280 again just absorbing this in real

01:43:45.400 time

01:43:45.840 this is what people it's easy for

01:43:49.620 us to get numb to this because we

01:43:50.940 it was always there for us but

01:43:52.400 imagine you know we it was it was

01:43:54.600 always there we grew with the

01:43:55.920 technology like the technology has

01:43:57.340 been around

01:43:57.900 and it's grown we've seen it grow

01:44:00.260 but if you're Gen Z if you're Gen Alpha

01:44:03.480 and you've been scrolling your phone

01:44:05.100 seeing this guy larger than life

01:44:07.700 figure like Charlie Kirk larger than

01:44:09.900 life figure

01:44:10.480 you know arguing mixing it up he was

01:44:13.660 supposed to be speaking with Hassan

01:44:15.240 Piker at an event in several weeks on

01:44:17.740 the left and you've been seeing this on

01:44:20.040 your phone for years and then you see a

01:44:23.120 video of him

01:44:24.020 being sniped being sniped on a college

01:44:27.900 campus

01:44:28.460 after an exchange the likes of which

01:44:31.560 you have seen just about every single

01:44:33.300 day on your TikTok and on your Twitter

01:44:34.860 this injects a new tone of a new tone of

01:44:39.400 violence and it's just this raw

01:44:42.660 violence that again I just don't think

01:44:45.700 anybody is prepared for what this is

01:44:47.320 doing to the young minds who are

01:44:48.940 absorbing this today this is a very young

01:44:52.240 very young and I mean this is one of

01:44:55.240 those moments where

01:44:56.380 how often is it that you know there's

01:44:59.100 Butler of course but a single shot a

01:45:01.700 single shot I don't even want to talk

01:45:03.640 in the sort of callous detail but a

01:45:06.540 single shot from 200 yards back that

01:45:09.600 feels like a 1960s style execution and

01:45:14.420 it's one that we all just witnessed if

01:45:17.120 you were lucky enough to not have

01:45:18.480 clicked on that video yet I imagine you

01:45:20.880 you might be in the minority of people

01:45:22.560 who were absorbing this news in real

01:45:24.120 time online

01:45:24.760 the whole country just saw this

01:45:27.100 I was holding it together okay until I

01:45:30.340 saw that and then it was very clear to

01:45:32.140 me he was dead

01:45:32.920 there was just there was no way there you

01:45:34.880 see this video there's just no way he

01:45:36.540 he any human could survive it but

01:45:39.480 you know I

01:45:40.620 I was encouraged by the

01:45:42.440 the reports that he was at least in

01:45:44.820 critical he had apparently made it to

01:45:46.400 the hospital or at least I mean he must

01:45:48.360 it for them to be saying he was in

01:45:49.480 critical critical I don't know I don't

01:45:52.540 know that we're just getting this in

01:45:54.960 now here here's more New York Times

01:45:57.760 search activity is continuing at Utah

01:45:59.540 Valley University where several groups

01:46:01.060 of armed and outfitted agents can be

01:46:02.720 seen making sweeps through central

01:46:04.420 campus on foot and on trucks Utah Valley

01:46:07.460 University officials confirmed no one

01:46:09.280 has been arrested once again saying there

01:46:11.120 is no suspect in custody it is an active

01:46:13.740 investigation citing the university

01:46:15.360 spokesperson the university said four

01:46:18.360 agencies are investigating Orem police

01:46:20.720 Utah Valley University police the FBI and

01:46:23.640 the Utah Department of Public Safety

01:46:25.000 this person's not they're not in custody

01:46:28.880 but they will be I feel confident they

01:46:33.080 will be Emily there's just on a university

01:46:35.080 campus in today's day and age that the

01:46:37.280 cameras are everywhere that to get must

01:46:40.720 have been on a building it seems likely you

01:46:42.840 know he was on a building even like the the

01:46:45.260 one shooting we did show one time we

01:46:47.180 showed the video of Charlie being shot

01:46:49.960 from afar just at the top of the show to

01:46:53.120 explain to people what we were dealing

01:46:54.820 with and the person who's doing the

01:46:57.720 filming it's he doesn't sound far away

01:47:00.480 from the shot I mean I'm just a lay

01:47:02.640 person but to me it sounds like he's

01:47:04.200 nearby he's not too far from the shooter

01:47:06.120 in any event of course they and even the

01:47:08.520 university is saying it happened from 200

01:47:10.260 yards away this is somebody who obviously

01:47:12.700 trained for this mission and I say this

01:47:16.680 only because if he was on top of a

01:47:18.280 college campus building whether it was a

01:47:20.120 dorm or a mess hall you know a dining

01:47:23.240 hall a campus university building like

01:47:27.340 with classrooms in it you'd have to go

01:47:29.420 through layers to get in especially given

01:47:31.200 the number of campus shootings that we've

01:47:33.160 seen lately you know there have been

01:47:34.980 multiple campus shootings and there's been

01:47:37.520 multiple false alarms on campus shootings

01:47:40.480 where like the report came out oh there's

01:47:41.740 a shooting here there's shooting there

01:47:43.000 and there weren't that that was a weird

01:47:44.280 spate that we went through about 10 days

01:47:45.760 ago so I'm just saying that the alert

01:47:48.160 level at any campus would have been

01:47:50.000 higher and then when you know Charlie's

01:47:52.000 coming who's a controversial figure it

01:47:53.600 would be even higher and then when you

01:47:54.880 know thousands of your students are

01:47:56.580 going to be on the quad even higher

01:47:58.400 there's just no way that there's not

01:48:01.140 going to be an eyewitness or a camera

01:48:03.280 that caught this person I completely

01:48:06.760 agree with that and you know when I said

01:48:08.460 earlier Charlie and I came up together

01:48:09.880 I mean one of the reasons for that is

01:48:11.280 my first job out of college was

01:48:12.900 organizing was organizing campus events

01:48:15.300 and so a lot of the events that my

01:48:17.360 colleagues and I were organizing at the

01:48:18.560 time were Ben Shapiro events this back

01:48:20.340 in like 2015 you know people a lot of

01:48:23.020 people remember the Mizzou eruption of

01:48:25.160 protests back then and it kept going in

01:48:27.780 in bigger and bigger to bigger and bigger

01:48:30.180 venues and you know we had students at

01:48:32.180 one point basically be trapped in the

01:48:34.160 venue by leftist protesters on campus and

01:48:38.020 just the volume of threats I mean I'm

01:48:39.880 talking 10 years ago I think before this

01:48:41.760 had got quite as hot as it is now the

01:48:44.040 situation the culture had got quite as

01:48:45.780 hot as it is now the amount of I think

01:48:48.820 legitimate threats just for hosting these

01:48:51.300 events would shock average people who

01:48:53.360 haven't been behind the scenes organizing

01:48:55.200 them and so to what we were talking

01:48:57.120 about earlier it is absolutely brave that

01:48:59.100 Charlie would stand out there in broad

01:49:01.040 daylight in a tent under a tent with

01:49:03.560 thousands of people in front of him and

01:49:05.760 there are a lot of questions the school

01:49:07.160 is now going to have to answer there are

01:49:09.100 a lot of questions everybody is now going

01:49:10.660 to have to answer because the eyewitness

01:49:12.200 report about metal detectors I mean we're

01:49:14.360 looking right now at a 180 to potentially

01:49:16.600 200 yard sniper shot essentially it

01:49:19.880 sounded like it was from a high-powered

01:49:21.080 rifle looked like it from the shot without

01:49:22.740 getting too graphic into that and what that

01:49:25.940 would mean I mean that could mean you know

01:49:27.400 security was tight around Charlie as the

01:49:29.740 eyewitness who talked to NBC said but if

01:49:31.880 there was there really were no metal

01:49:34.360 detectors that's a huge huge huge red flag if

01:49:38.780 we come to find that out to your point

01:49:40.700 Megan there were thousands of people all

01:49:42.900 with their smartphones all with their

01:49:45.340 smartphones out presumably when you see

01:49:46.960 something like that happen you don't even

01:49:48.300 think to unclick record you just start

01:49:50.920 running and what you capture I mean I'm

01:49:52.840 sure there's CCTV all over that damn

01:49:54.940 campus and so I pray we have seen very odd

01:49:59.760 situations in our history where people get

01:50:01.440 away or you know just it feels like we

01:50:04.440 never get close to the truth of different

01:50:06.700 tragedies and I pray to God that is not

01:50:08.780 what happens in this case because we need

01:50:12.560 we need that clarity as a country as we

01:50:16.320 digest the execution in broad daylight of

01:50:18.820 one of the most popular young conservatives

01:50:21.900 really ever I really mean that in the history

01:50:25.100 of the country ever look at him Emily look

01:50:27.900 at him great looking super strong moral

01:50:33.460 ethical core incredibly gifted order fearless

01:50:38.720 in his commentary and his positioning very

01:50:42.140 effective advocate for probably the most

01:50:44.740 consequential president will ever have in

01:50:46.980 our lifetimes not not an exaggeration to say

01:50:50.820 directly responsible in some significant

01:50:53.500 measure for getting Donald Trump elected

01:50:55.540 father loving husband dead at 31 by an

01:51:01.880 assassin's bullet and for what for what you

01:51:06.980 know I mean truly you think about it it's

01:51:08.480 like that person is not going to stop the

01:51:11.020 messaging the right will not be silenced

01:51:14.200 they're not going to shut up I mean honestly

01:51:17.580 it doesn't Glenn says he's worried they're

01:51:19.480 going to start picking us off one by one

01:51:21.140 you know what it's not it won't shut them

01:51:23.680 up it'll only create more of us yeah it's

01:51:26.340 like that anybody who's thinking about getting

01:51:30.060 into the public arena yes they will be scared

01:51:32.000 for a couple of days and then they will put

01:51:33.720 their boots back on and go back out there

01:51:36.020 that's what they will do that's that's how we

01:51:38.200 are as Americans that it's not going to shut

01:51:41.080 anybody up it's just it's going to ruin the

01:51:43.120 life of his wife and his children who now

01:51:45.980 will never know him that that the little

01:51:48.640 girl is too young to even really remember

01:51:50.800 him that's what was taken from from us

01:51:53.420 today but you know Megan that little girl

01:51:56.600 has uh hundreds and hundreds of video um to

01:52:01.140 reflect on as she grows up of her father um

01:52:03.580 and you know whoever did this whatever their

01:52:06.820 goal was it's only going to magnify I mean

01:52:10.040 Charlie Kirk is now a martyr for his cause it's

01:52:13.480 only going to magnify his work for years and

01:52:16.700 years to come and frankly Megan I think this is

01:52:18.980 what the left maybe misses about people on the

01:52:21.860 right which is you can I mean like the violence

01:52:25.440 is to be expected if you are a Christian we

01:52:28.620 talked earlier there's this is like the sliver

01:52:30.200 of human history where there's an unusual peace

01:52:32.740 and comfort um in the in the west but this is

01:52:36.580 not uh unusual in the the history of of

01:52:39.180 Christianity um this is something that that

01:52:41.300 Christians are deeply familiar with and if this

01:52:44.020 had anything to do with his Christian beliefs which

01:52:45.920 we don't know for sure um I think it's a non-insane

01:52:49.320 assumption because his Christian beliefs were I mean

01:52:51.380 they infiltrated everything he said so in one way shape

01:52:53.840 or form they did yeah exactly it's it's an

01:52:56.520 inextricably tied um and increasingly so as he as he

01:52:59.320 grew up and everybody watched it with his with his

01:53:01.100 politics and so Christians cannot be cannot be deterred

01:53:06.100 or silenced by these types of senseless acts of

01:53:09.800 violence people can try but our hope is not in this

01:53:12.820 world our hope is not of this world and so you can do

01:53:16.020 what you want to do to us on earth and and Charlie uh

01:53:20.120 that's obviously what drives and animates the the sort

01:53:23.620 of Christian in the public arena and I I don't think the the

01:53:27.020 the left fully realizes that and I hope people on the

01:53:29.260 right realize that too um as as so many young people come

01:53:33.180 back to faith and to deep deep faith um I hope we realize

01:53:38.900 that I hope we do and you Megan one final thought on

01:53:41.200 that point too is the medium that Charlie was a pioneer

01:53:44.440 in and that's social media um just these because he was

01:53:48.020 doing these back and forth videos that were he learned

01:53:50.780 I think quickly good content um they made for like really

01:53:54.620 compelling uh a really compelling way for people

01:53:57.280 to digest politics as institutional

01:53:59.260 trust cratered people want to see more left versus right

01:54:02.300 so they can make up their own minds um and he recognized

01:54:05.440 that and and for him to be gone uh to be taken in that

01:54:10.840 format and for that to be broadcast around the world and

01:54:14.100 in social on social media on the on the the medium that he

01:54:17.360 pioneered uh is just is poetic in a sense and and

01:54:23.000 obviously in a very tragic sense

01:54:24.700 oh Emily I mean you're you're young you know it's like

01:54:28.980 you're basically the same age as Charlie

01:54:31.740 the there haven't been that many figures who have resonated

01:54:36.420 with the youth the way he did I mean I can't think of somebody

01:54:39.380 on the left who has similar power with young liberals I really

01:54:44.300 can't like it's the issues that animate the young left you know

01:54:48.560 abortion whatever take your pick um but there hasn't been like a figure

01:54:54.800 that I can think of maybe I'm just blanking right now

01:54:57.040 there hasn't been like a figure on the left that's resonated the way

01:55:00.640 Charlie was able to resonate on the right and the thing about him too

01:55:04.460 is that he would speak to the leftists the leftists were not forgotten when

01:55:08.520 he went on those campuses they were a critical part of the equation and

01:55:11.540 they would show up and you know the segment's called change my mind he

01:55:14.400 would change their minds he you would watch it live on camera he went he

01:55:20.360 went on surrounded you know that show like taking in all the questions he he

01:55:25.480 would go into any arena he did not care if you didn't like him you know he he

01:55:32.760 trusted you even if you didn't like him he I don't think he thought he was

01:55:38.100 putting his life on the line I mean clearly we all have to factor that in on

01:55:41.360 some level when you're a public figure and you do a public event but

01:55:44.360 I just I don't even know who the heir apparent is you know you god forbid

01:55:50.340 that Trump had been shot in Butler Pennsylvania you know the obvious

01:55:54.000 choice would have been J.D. Vance well maybe not even because he hadn't named

01:55:57.940 J.D. yet but there were stars and are stars in the MAGA movement and god

01:56:02.880 forbid anything happened to Trump now I think J.D. and Marco would be the two

01:56:05.800 obvious most you know next next likely um but with Charlie it's like I don't know

01:56:13.400 Emily I'm not sure who could even pick up that mantle for him and have that same

01:56:17.880 kind of influence you know it's an interesting point and I wonder actually

01:56:22.080 if he is his own he created his own kind of airs in the the hundreds um by what he

01:56:30.580 did uh by you know giving people the the confidence to engage in debate and you know

01:56:38.160 I'm seeing right here Megan from the New York Times he was scheduled to debate

01:56:41.540 Hasan Piker who people sort of will say is like the left-wing Ben Shapiro or Charlie

01:56:46.200 Kirk at Dartmouth on September 25th Charlie was actually going to debate him

01:56:50.220 Hasan Piker on his Twitch live stream quote reacted to the news with horror urging

01:56:55.860 some of his followers to stop making jokes about the shooting and he expressed fear

01:57:00.240 that he could be similarly targeted this is a terrifying incident Piker said the

01:57:05.040 reverberation of people seeking up vengeance in the aftermath of this violent

01:57:08.300 abhorrent incident is going to be genuinely worrisome and I know people will

01:57:13.600 debate Hasan Piker's role in all of that in the days to come I know the Luigi

01:57:18.620 Mangione fandom on the left will be debated rightfully so in the days to come um but

01:57:24.800 everyone should be scared right now because it does feel like a seal has been

01:57:29.020 broken into a different world I'm just looking at the New York Times headline here

01:57:34.940 Charlie Kirk right-wing activist is fatally shot at Utah College a close ally of President

01:57:42.720 Trump and one of the most influential young right-wing figures in the United States

01:57:45.860 Kirk was shot in the neck while speaking in front of a large crowd on a university campus

01:57:50.360 he was 31 it's something to see it in writing you know it's something to actually see it in

01:57:59.100 writing Emily he um turning point put out a montage not too long ago of Charlie's campus experiences and

01:58:07.700 exchanges we want to run it now take a look at it here it is can you tell me her greatest

01:58:13.820 accomplishment no I can't can you tell me a single accomplishment I cannot I want to leave

01:58:20.020 what is Kamala Harris's greatest accomplishment

01:58:26.660 could you please explain why under a Trump presidency would be more beneficial to me than

01:58:37.760 a Harris presidency I want to try to win you over as a liberal for Donald Trump why should I vote for

01:58:43.140 Trump there's no guesswork in this election we know the type of president that Trump was and that

01:58:47.540 he will be there are three things I want you to think about when voting for Trump home ownership

01:58:51.760 border war three objective things when I decide just in case can I have a hat you can have a hat

01:58:58.860 so which way you leaning can I get a hit that's a good answer how are you leaning this election

01:59:04.460 well after what you said Trump let's go

01:59:08.520 oh so fun so relatable so non-threatening to those kids you know I mean somebody really got

01:59:20.440 in his face he'd mix it up fine but nine times out of ten those exchanges showed char showed Charlie

01:59:25.920 being a gentleman right like that's what's so remarkable about all those exchanges with him

01:59:30.180 he would have fun with the audience his goal was to bring them in with love if he had to shame an

01:59:36.100 occasional complete moron he would do it but that was reserved for the extreme cases he was fun to

01:59:41.540 talk to and and actually made a difference he could speak to folks on their level without judging them

01:59:47.560 you know like you tell him so many times he'd say you tell me like what what's your concern why are

01:59:51.960 you thinking about voting for Kamala like let me talk you out of it and he could you know he could

01:59:56.980 I'm watching that exchange and it just dawned on me you know I'm I'm gonna miss talking to him I'm

02:00:03.620 gonna miss him as a guest on my show I I don't quite have my arms around the fact that that's

02:00:10.040 over you know that that's over by someone's intention it's not like a car accident it's not

02:00:16.080 like an illness you know it's it's it was unnecessary and then I think oh god why did he

02:00:23.080 have to go there why what if he had just canceled the Utah event you know what if he and I had done

02:00:27.820 our Virginia Tech event today instead you know like why did it have to happen and it's just

02:00:33.560 impossible to answer those questions as mere mortals Emily thank you for being here with us and for

02:00:37.900 watching and for supporting and you know we love you thank you for coming on thanks Megan praying for

02:00:42.320 you and everyone involved likewise we're um gonna turn now to Father Mike Schmitz you may know him from

02:00:50.440 a bible in a year he's been on the program um before and our audience absolutely adores you

02:00:56.580 Father thank you for being back a Catholic priest based in Minneapolis or Minnesota um in Bozeman

02:01:02.280 right yeah thank you for being here so much please help us understand like I I don't know how to process

02:01:08.420 it yeah no I first I uh I know I know that you and Charlie have spent time together and I was just my

02:01:15.040 first thought when they just asked if I could be here I just was like ah I cannot can't imagine I

02:01:20.560 imagine that Megan is going through her through it right now and so I mean I'm so many of so many

02:01:26.340 people so many of us um but I know that that particularly yeah you you have been in the trenches

02:01:32.480 with him and you have had so many conversations that you know probably off screen is as many or more

02:01:38.140 than we've seen on screen and uh so just yeah know of not only are my prayers for him and for his

02:01:44.260 family but also for you and for every other person who who has loved him and has been uh touched by

02:01:49.140 by his life so just know that first of all thank you thank you so much I don't it's like I don't know

02:01:55.760 is it a fool's errand to try to make sense of something like this well yes I know I mean that

02:02:02.140 there's a that sense of I think your previous guest had pointed out you know that that for Christians

02:02:07.080 this is um we we know that we live in a broken world and we know that we have this freedom to be

02:02:14.960 able to do horrible horrible things to each other and it's not what God wants and so to get to that

02:02:20.760 point where we say what uh how do you make sense of this is is that is that here is um here's what we

02:02:31.460 believe I believe that God is good he made this world good but then simply put uh with our freedom

02:02:37.380 we chose to break the world and we continue to choose to break the world even though um God

02:02:42.620 continues to break in into it I mean just think about Charlie's life as an example um what is the

02:02:50.040 example the example is that he had come to this place of knowledge of and faith in the goodness of

02:02:57.720 God in a broken world and what is the symbol of Christian I mean what's the symbol of Christianity

02:03:02.380 as you you might know this weekend this upcoming Sunday we celebrate this thing called the feast of

02:03:06.760 the exaltation of the holy cross and the symbol of Christianity which is actually is the symbol of

02:03:11.320 the west is what is is a cross and that sense of like the cross is a contradiction right it's the

02:03:17.160 contradiction and I think the catechism says like this it says there's there's uh no part of the

02:03:23.220 passion of Christ there's no part of his life death and resurrection that is not in some way

02:03:30.140 an attempt to God's attempt to answer why suffering and so uh and then we have to know this we have to

02:03:38.920 know that that faith that Charlie had has in that God the God who is broken into this broken world

02:03:47.440 um doesn't make doesn't take the pain away doesn't take the grief away doesn't take doesn't undo his

02:03:53.600 his tragic murder but hopefully in some ways we can console him and his family by saying okay

02:04:03.280 but I'm going to choose to trust in that and that God as well I know in the same way I was saying

02:04:08.780 there's no way Charlie would want a single pundit to hold back on their commentary now no way

02:04:13.860 that he would certainly not want to this to encourage a crisis of faith I mean right he

02:04:19.240 absolutely would not want to see that and yet you know you just I I feel so angry you know I got I was

02:04:26.940 talking to my guests earlier and my dear friend Mark Halpern was saying you know we have to try to

02:04:32.040 find a way to react in love you know and and come together like as a country come together and I was

02:04:38.340 just honest saying I it makes perfect sense and I know he's right but right now all I feel

02:04:43.800 is deep anger and I'm I know I'm not alone and how do you process that right that's not a healthy

02:04:49.860 emotion it's not something you should stay mired in it's it eats it corrodes you from the inside and

02:04:54.720 yet I know millions of people are feeling it well I think the anger is the proper response really

02:05:00.040 when it comes down to it anger is the proper response that there there is a time for everything

02:05:04.960 and uh grief as well as as as anger there's a there's time for acceptance and all those other

02:05:12.360 pieces of when moving forward but but anger is the proper response I mean to realize that that this

02:05:19.180 is I mean here let's let's use Jesus as our example there were times when Jesus saw injustice

02:05:24.140 where Jesus saw evil and he didn't like okay you know that's too bad he was angered I mean there's

02:05:30.540 times where people refused to reach out or refused to say it was good to reach out to help the helpless

02:05:35.020 and Jesus it says very clearly in the scriptures Jesus looked at them with anger and and there's

02:05:40.660 there's a piece of that that's like okay if I can look at evil I can look at suffering if I can look at

02:05:44.780 death and and senseless tragic death like two weeks ago the shooting in Minneapolis and now the shooting

02:05:50.560 in Utah to be able to look at that and not experience anger is to have our have our metric off

02:05:55.960 that's to have our barometer off that the proper human response to evil is anger because I would

02:06:02.120 say this I would say God's response to evil is anger and and we say it in many ways how do we keep

02:06:07.400 that away from us you know how do we I I think I look at my kids I think I want I don't want these

02:06:11.280 devils near them I don't want I don't want the devil near them I don't want evil coming for them

02:06:17.960 you know you you and I talked we I've thought about it a million times father we talked when you were on

02:06:22.880 about how does one get into heaven yeah and is it just you know I'm a good person I'm in do unto

02:06:28.580 others then you said no it is not just that you know that Jesus God they expect God expects you to

02:06:35.500 work to get in you have to be actively doing good deeds you have to actively be thinking about how to

02:06:40.580 advance his word and live in harmony with him and I yes I want to do all that right now I also want

02:06:49.160 vengeance I'm not sure that's in line um I really want to hurt whoever did it I want them to suffer

02:06:55.380 not sure that's in line um and then I also want to do whatever I have to do whatever I have to do to

02:07:01.400 keep the devil away from the next one and certainly from all the people I love yeah and that's that's why

02:07:07.780 anger is a can be a positive emotion um C.S. Lewis writes about this he says that sometimes we look at look

02:07:13.620 at uh anger or violence or fighting as as the wrong thing now we need to tamp that down well no sometimes

02:07:19.260 you need to fight for the right thing so when William Wilberforce saw slavery he was angered by

02:07:24.720 this not merely grieved but also angered and that grief but also that anger moved him to do positive

02:07:30.340 things and so you and I know this we know that um anger indulged can become vengeance it also can

02:07:39.420 become something even worse which is resentment and bitterness and we know that that that so anger

02:07:44.840 I would say it like this anger is a is an active emotion resentment is when things settle what I mean

02:07:51.720 by that is you have to get through anger you have to process anger and it can it can move right anger

02:07:58.100 can move us to do good anger can move us to say this is wrong and I need you to do something about

02:08:02.460 this like for you to be able to say how many I need to go on the air and we need to talk about this

02:08:06.620 so that others don't experience this so that people know that they're not alone so we can rally

02:08:11.340 and say okay you guys how would Charlie want us to respond to this like that to use that anger to

02:08:16.880 move forward to do good as opposed to I would think of resentment as like anger still the the quick

02:08:22.960 standards it's like it's like concrete that is is still you can still move it but resentment is like

02:08:29.580 when I set that and now I've hardened my heart towards a certain group of people towards a certain

02:08:34.500 individual I've hardened my heart to um the world I've hardened my heart to God so we can't afford

02:08:39.920 to go into resentment but we have to know how to choose uh what to do with our anger and so your

02:08:45.720 response of anger it would be a defect of humanity to not experience anger anger well then I'm human

02:08:54.440 I'm definitely human I'll tell you my priest just texted me and said in in the closing reminded me of the

02:09:01.980 gospel of John uh 1 5 saying light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it

02:09:10.060 light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it there's he was a light there's no

02:09:16.600 question about that but man there's a lot of darkness in the world right now that's for sure I

02:09:20.580 feel I have a feeling your your pews are going to be even extra filled this Sunday father I know you

02:09:25.980 always have a standing room only but you're they're going to flock flock in in great numbers because I

02:09:30.460 think I think Christians are hurting right now I think we're losing too many of ours you know like

02:09:35.180 the kids in Minneapolis now Charlie like you know we just we don't want to see ours shut down for

02:09:42.720 standing up for core Catholic beliefs you know like children aren't born in the wrong body and we

02:09:48.520 shouldn't be divided by race these are very very core understandable you know non-controversial in a

02:09:54.160 normal world beliefs well and and also what did Charlie say so many times he said um why did why

02:10:00.460 does he go on campus why did he go to Utah why does he go to any campus he says because when people stop

02:10:04.860 talking then they start becoming violent and so even the fact that that he gave witness to the reality

02:10:12.060 that um we can fight but we fight with debate over debate or not over debate we fight through debate

02:10:18.500 right we fight with other words we can argue and again that's that sense of going back to this

02:10:22.340 that what would he say when we stop talking then we devolve into either we separate ourselves

02:10:29.960 completely or we all we have is violence and and he did not want either of those two to be a reality

02:10:38.260 and that's why I think it's really important again for your show to exist uh for us to continue to have

02:10:43.400 our doors open in the church and be able to say okay let's continue to engage these big questions

02:10:47.580 because we have to stand for truth and we have to stand uh for people who um you know when people

02:10:53.960 I mean in the clip you just showed the people who changed their mind when Charlie went to a campus

02:10:58.000 a lot of times what he did was um like he treated them with respect yes there are some times when

02:11:02.940 there were some harsh words towards each other I mean just because that's a normal conversation we

02:11:06.640 sometimes fall into but that sense of oh minds were changed because they didn't realize they didn't

02:11:11.380 realize what they didn't know and and to be able to care enough for someone to share something with

02:11:19.520 them and help lead them so we believe as you know this in the corporal works of mercy that comes from

02:11:23.740 Matthew chapter 25 I was hungry you fed me I was naked and you clothed me there's also a spiritual

02:11:28.540 works of mercy and one of those spiritual works of mercy is instructing the ignorant or or helping

02:11:33.300 those who don't know come to know and yeah Charlie did not stop trying to help people come to know

02:11:42.220 and if they disagreed with them what happened they walked away and everyone was still intact they walked

02:11:47.680 away and and and they had a discussion and they were treated like a human being and and that's a model

02:11:53.200 to move forward I'll hold on to that father thank you thank you so much for everything you do not

02:12:00.840 just for today yeah thanks Megan much love to you praying for you Charlie tweeted out on Saturday

02:12:08.700 Jesus defeated death so you can live on Saturday Jesus defeated death so you can live

02:12:17.040 that's what he did that's what he wants us all to do that's what we will do there's no question we

02:12:23.100 will go on and we will continue our messaging but it's gonna hurt this one's gonna hurt I told you

02:12:30.740 about President Trump's statement Joe Biden to his credit also tweeted out there is no place in

02:12:36.360 our country for this kind of violence it must end now Jill and I are praying for Charlie Kirk's family

02:12:41.780 and loved ones it's a sweet gesture Ben Shapiro too just tweeted something out he's been under threat

02:12:48.080 too poor Ben it's ridiculous ridiculous why why does Ben have to have so many security guards

02:12:54.520 you know he came here to the studio on Monday I think it was a week ago Monday the poor guy has to

02:13:04.080 walk around with so much security because why again why because he comments on the news and says things

02:13:12.960 people find controversial but all of which are mainstream opinions on the right because he's a Jew

02:13:20.160 who's outspoken in favor of Israel what

02:13:23.280 this is where we're going this is what he wrote

02:13:28.220 like all of you I'm utterly stunned and heartbroken and sick to my soul today

02:13:33.320 it is unimaginable to write these words I met Charlie Kirk when he was 18 years old

02:13:38.800 a man a young man so eager and determined that I immediately turned to a friend and said

02:13:43.880 this kid is going to be the head of the RNC one day

02:13:46.360 Charlie became even bigger and more important than that it was a privilege to watch the principled

02:13:52.540 man stand up for his beliefs and create the single most important conservative political

02:13:56.160 organization in America totally right but more importantly Charlie was a good man a man who

02:14:03.260 believed in right and wrong who stood by his biblical values all of us will miss him and I can't imagine

02:14:08.540 the pain of his beautiful young family and we must all pray for them and we must pick up the baton

02:14:13.580 where Charlie left it fighting for the things he believed in so passionately and we must fight

02:14:19.060 for a better America an America where good people can speak truth and debate passionately without fear

02:14:26.560 of a bullet I weep for Charlie's family and I weep for my country today most of all I weep for Charlie

02:14:36.140 it's hard so it's really hard everyone's feeling it Joe Biden Donald Trump agree on very little things

02:14:48.140 but on the loss of this great American patriot they agree when speaking of great American patriots

02:14:54.520 Vivek Ramaswamy joins us now he's running for governor of Ohio and he also has been out on the trail

02:15:02.200 with Charlie who I know is a dear friend he's joining us by phone Vivek this is really rough

02:15:08.960 and I know it's rough on you personally how are you processing this I mean we're devastated Megan

02:15:15.120 I'm in northwest Ohio I was traveling from my home in Columbus when we heard the news but

02:15:20.760 we are devastated just got off the phone with my wife I was with Charlie here just two weeks ago

02:15:29.060 here in Ohio it actually wasn't something you know broadly broadcasted but we had some one-on-one

02:15:35.280 time together had a real heart-to-heart conversation when he was here and even two days ago was was

02:15:42.760 talking to him like I'm talking to you now spent a good part of the last year together traveling the

02:15:48.520 country doing actually events like the one he was doing today intense on college campuses

02:15:55.720 and uh you know makes you think about what did he do that was so wrong that earned him this

02:16:03.300 fate it was to foster open conversations with young people who are hungry to figure out what they

02:16:12.520 believed and that's what he did and I think more than anybody else I know I really mean it when I say

02:16:20.320 this I think more than anybody else I know he was committed to talking to people who disagreed with

02:16:27.360 him to do it openly that was his that was his ultimate sin it turns out in the twisted world we live

02:16:35.920 in today and you know God blessed him with immense gifts that rarely a person might have and what I love

02:16:48.600 about Charlie is that he was not afraid to use those gifts to do what he felt was right for his

02:16:55.880 country he knew the risks he was taking I mean he had two kids they're they're a little younger than

02:17:00.620 mine two years apart I think around three and one yeah worth kids age and he did it I mean those kids

02:17:10.180 are going to grow up without a great father they were kids to a great father a great man a great American

02:17:16.540 and they're going to grow up without him but he took those risks for those kids so they could grow up

02:17:25.060 in a country that he believed in yeah I was just talking about this I just was talking about this

02:17:32.580 the other day um on it was it was Graham Linehan you know the Irish citizen who got arrested in the UK

02:17:41.280 for tweets on the trans issue and he's he's paid a dear price for his own outspokenness on controversial

02:17:49.480 issues and he said not in the trite way Vivek but like in the way that really struck me he said

02:17:55.360 I speak up for my daughter because she can't and what and he meant more than just she's too young to

02:18:02.420 really understand these issues and and process them he he meant there's fear and that our young people

02:18:07.400 today really they're not in a position like you are like I am like Charlie was to risk professional

02:18:13.460 reputation or blowback or cancellation what have you by like yeah but no one's factoring that in

02:18:20.460 right like that's even as a politician now you know you must have seen your risk profile go up but do you

02:18:28.380 really think your life is on the line when you're out there talking you know I as a public figure I've

02:18:34.700 always known as you know it's a risk but it never really felt like a real one not until not until the

02:18:42.380 last year not until the last year and but I I think that we've taken a dark and twisted turn in the

02:18:51.580 country where this has become normalized if this if this were shocking this would be bad enough if this

02:18:59.960 or an event Megan if this were utterly shocking that none of us saw this coming that alone would

02:19:06.040 be horrific enough and yet the only thing more horrific is that actually it's not that shocking

02:19:13.760 Charlie saw it coming he talked about the cultural political assassination at a time where people

02:19:20.540 thought he was hyperbolic for saying so right and I an ultimate devastating irony it was his clarity of

02:19:29.280 vision that he ended up suffering the consequence of what he saw for our country is that surprising

02:19:35.980 when you have two assassination attempts on our current U.S. president which in his case thank God

02:19:41.220 he didn't suffer the same fate but I think the thing we got to understand and wrap our head around here

02:19:49.020 I mean I think today is I mean there's gonna be a long conversation to go around how we turn around

02:19:53.900 the policy the culture the environment in the country where we get back to the America you and I know

02:19:58.280 we're going to be a long conversation to go in love where we can talk to each other disagree vehemently

02:20:01.620 have the space to disagree vehemently but still do so with the confidence that we're going to do so

02:20:07.120 safely and with mutual respect and dignity for human life we're going to get back there but you know

02:20:13.280 today just in this moment I mostly just want to remember a great man who's you know born only so often

02:20:24.200 as somebody with Charlie's talent and Charlie's gifts and in you know 30 plus years 31 years

02:20:31.740 on this earth he was able to in a shorter time than most are given accomplish more than most do

02:20:38.340 and I just pray for his kids that they're able to grow up I know they have a wonderful mother as well

02:20:46.480 who's one of the strongest people out there I can only imagine what she's going through

02:20:51.200 but I hope those kids grow up and yeah I mean imagine and I don't know this for for sure Megan

02:20:57.780 but I mean we have a lot of mutual friends and whatnot but from what I heard and understand they

02:21:01.980 were around there today I mean imagine what what I mean the kids are young they're 3-1 and I feel for

02:21:09.380 them but imagine her and what position she's in now having to raise those two kids and it wasn't just

02:21:16.660 Charlie taking the risks he knew the risks he was taking but his family knew it she knew it too

02:21:21.260 and they did it together anyway because they believed in doing their part whether you agree

02:21:27.440 with them or not they believed earnestly and in their deepest faith that they were doing their part to

02:21:33.040 create that country for their kids and today paid the price of an ultimate sacrifice that at least in

02:21:40.740 Charlie's case he didn't he didn't discount that he wasn't blind to it he talked about it as a risk

02:21:48.440 and you know today at least we should for our country remember a great patriot who in many ways

02:21:56.860 put his life on the line today literally to speak what he saw as true and good and virtuous and right

02:22:02.660 for the nation he loved and I hope for his sake and for ours that his kids are able to grow up

02:22:09.560 in a country that moves on from this sick culture of violent retribution let's just say at some point

02:22:18.320 we're done with it and if it isn't now I don't know when it'll ever be and so people like you are

02:22:23.540 you're the answer you're the answer you you out there on this is not a political ad this is not an I

02:22:30.380 I'm not involved in the Ohio race it's I've watched you when people disagreed with you on the campaign

02:22:36.680 trail you opened your door to them you walked over to them in friendship you extended a hand

02:22:42.660 you wanted to hear them out you were kind you were loving you were gentle that like what a model

02:22:49.820 Vivek you know it's so hard to do when we're so divided and we're so angry at each other over these

02:22:56.100 issues which are important I and and when you are subjected to as many you know negative press pieces

02:23:03.400 and people harassing you on the campaign trail it's even harder to find that within you but

02:23:09.120 that's you're kind of leading by example these days well you know one of the few people we were I was

02:23:15.100 able to do it with was Charlie when we traveled the entire country kind of tag teaming we had our own

02:23:19.740 style you know slightly different but it was more fun that way and we would uh you know we're kind of

02:23:25.340 stylistic tag team around the country talking to these young young Americans and these young

02:23:30.860 patriots and many of whom disagreed with us and and he and I I mean we would you know ride a car

02:23:36.060 together right you know take a walk together ride a plane together and we joke around about you know

02:23:41.120 different interactions and you know there's one case he he still was well he one of his favorite

02:23:46.040 people coming out of um you know I forget which campus we were on it was somewhere in Pennsylvania and

02:23:50.840 you know it was it was some girl with dyed hair who was screaming at him who still loved the interaction

02:23:56.820 that he had with her he was able to joke around about it and still care about having one country

02:24:02.900 left at the end of it and you know there weren't that many of us there aren't that many of us Megan

02:24:09.000 who were willing to do that and I think we lost one of our greats today and as sad as I am for

02:24:16.140 Charlie I'm I'm even sadder for his family and I'm sadder still for our country that this is where we are

02:24:22.240 and I don't think that we can just you know say the usual pieties and then move on and behave the

02:24:31.220 same way tomorrow I think there's going to be I feel it right now I feel there's there's a there's

02:24:38.600 a choice in how we react to this and you know there's a side of me most of me now that's furious

02:24:45.420 that's angry yeah but I think that there's also an element in all of us that hopes that we're we're

02:24:53.720 just done with this we're moving on past this dark chapter in our history we've gone we've gone

02:24:59.700 like what a 12 and a half month period now 12 month period where we've had two assassination attempts

02:25:05.400 on a president now we're taking out one of the most important figures in the political youth

02:25:11.900 movement let alone in the conservative movement enough we're done with this and I I do think that

02:25:20.320 we would be justified perhaps in a short-term sense and you know adopting the kind of

02:25:30.440 rhetoric that Charlie was himself the subject of that who knows what the circumstances here we don't

02:25:36.180 have the facts but you could imagine at least would motivate someone to act in a horrific way

02:25:40.940 but you know I think the best of what Charlie was trying to do and the best of what I hope we can

02:25:46.260 do for our country aspires to to more than just fighting you know fire with fire I hope we can

02:25:52.860 fight fire with water which might be the harder thing to do yeah well said I mean you talk about his

02:26:01.680 what a consequential figure he became I'm just watching my my producer text chain here which has got all

02:26:08.360 the latest news um Joe Biden has weighed in Donald Trump has weighed in Donald Trump has ordered the

02:26:14.680 flags to have staff to in memoriam of Charlie I mean I don't I don't remember the last time and here's

02:26:21.780 a picture of the White House flag atop the White House at half staff now by orders of the president

02:26:27.360 will be lowering ours momentarily I don't remember the last time we've done that for a civilian not a

02:26:32.860 world leader um he'll do it sometimes in the wake of mass shootings but for an individual it's I think

02:26:38.080 rare Barack Obama too now weighing in uh as follows we don't yet know what motivated the person who shot

02:26:46.280 and killed Charlie Kirk but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy Michelle and

02:26:51.080 I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight especially his wife Erica and their two young

02:26:55.800 children that's what we need I I say bravo to Barack Obama and to Joe Biden and to Donald Trump who

02:27:02.700 understand Vivek in these moments you know there's something bigger happening there's something really

02:27:08.800 profound afoot today that's more than partisan bickering even though we're angry even though we

02:27:14.680 want vengeance against the man who did it like we the the good the truly good like at in in our hearts

02:27:22.020 in our souls good Americans have to unite in standing against this sort of political violence

02:27:27.760 even if we're going to fight about the political issues the very next day those people who understand

02:27:32.480 how vile this is and who are able to check their politics and hold hands in solidarity against this

02:27:38.480 must do it and that's why I accept those hands of friendship that's who we are that's who we are as a

02:27:46.980 people it's it's who we've been we've lost our way but it doesn't have to stay that way and I would

02:27:54.360 never wish for a tragedy like this to be what's required to wake us up but if a tragedy and for me

02:28:01.420 it's not just a national tragedy it's a loss of a friend and somebody who's just personally really dear

02:28:07.560 to me let something come for the country that he fought for and he wasn't just a civilian he was more

02:28:14.420 than that and I think we can we can honor him and we can honor honestly our country the truth of our

02:28:23.520 country as opposed to this alternative bastardized version of it that we've suffered for this short

02:28:30.020 period of our history we've been in we can revive our true country by being a place where yeah look

02:28:35.720 Barack Obama Joe Biden Donald Trump yourself myself and everyone in between can agree that we're a place

02:28:43.060 where we respect life where we respect the lives and the dignity of our fellow citizens and our

02:28:48.060 neighbors that we can disagree like hell at times and still ideally we'll get together at the dinner

02:28:54.360 table at the end of it and call ourselves still citizens of the greatest nation known to the history

02:28:59.580 of mankind that's who we are that's what Charlie Kirk saw and I hope that is what his life and now

02:29:06.720 tragically his death can cause us to pause and remember and revive and that's the best we can do today

02:29:12.880 so anyway Megan we um thanks for doing what you're doing and I know it's not easy for you either

02:29:18.660 I uh tried to resist your uh I usually you said I'm not sure I can do it I said none of us are doing

02:29:26.400 well like we're all letting it hang out so it's thank you for joining I know it's a challenge and I

02:29:31.460 really appreciate it Vivek all my love to you take care thank you Megan you know one of the things I loved

02:29:39.160 about Charlie uh in addition to everything else that we've discussed was that in it he was more

02:29:48.540 than just somebody who would comment still getting used to the past tense on the news and you know

02:29:54.080 articulate his viewpoints and my own for that matter on so many issues so effectively and compellingly but

02:30:00.840 he also wasn't afraid to talk about life and relationships and a man and a woman and how to

02:30:10.620 be a good dad like all those things he knew that he his viewpoints were important that his opinions on

02:30:17.180 those things mattered to young people listening to him and he did not waste that opportunity you know

02:30:24.460 when he was on was it two weeks ago it was very recently I played for him a clip that I had seen

02:30:32.040 of him online that I loved I love love love love loved he went on this smaller podcast and something

02:30:38.140 about coffee in the morning I can't remember but um forgive me those guys I did say it on the show

02:30:41.720 and they got in the subject of paying on the first date and who should pay and we re-cued it up

02:30:50.660 here it is women want to be able they want to be taken care of I know this like super provocative

02:30:56.740 like deep down they want a man to be able to provide for them financially should a man pay on

02:31:02.040 the first 100 like what kind of a wuss beta male is splitting the check but like who are you it's

02:31:08.640 like I'm just sorry it's so I would go into debt and like scrub dishes before a woman I split the

02:31:16.340 check quite a lot so I'm sorry I don't mean to offend you you guys are great that's incomprehensible

02:31:21.960 to me I think that's to me I thought it was a great financial decision I've just okay so from

02:31:26.420 your prism I totally get that and like you have a really good financial discipline I'm sorry like

02:31:31.460 I I would be so humiliated if I I'm more I mean I find that to be like the greatest beta male like

02:31:40.080 humiliation to save money to no no to like the idea that a woman that you're trying to court

02:31:46.040 now if it's like a friend thing or as a first date you don't even know if it doesn't matter

02:31:50.840 quality it does not matter I'm sorry I was by the way that money you save is not worth the honor

02:31:55.980 that you compromise it is such a big deal it's a it's a massive deal the money you save is not

02:32:03.880 worth the honor that you compromise that what a gem how does he come up with that stuff

02:32:08.720 it was more than two weeks ago it was September sorry August 6th

02:32:13.880 and at that point he had just a little over a month left to live

02:32:18.960 when we played that on my show and we laughed about it together you know

02:32:25.460 none of us knows how long we have

02:32:30.920 you lose friends you lose family it happens in slow gradual ways and it can happen suddenly

02:32:41.160 and in horrific ways and I always come back to the same place and you guys have heard me say it

02:32:47.720 you know the things that really matter in your life are within 15 feet of you and those are the

02:32:53.100 things that you should lean into and those are the things that Charlie leaned into too he loved getting

02:32:57.540 out there on the road and going to college campuses he loved coming on camera he loved debating with

02:33:01.560 people he loved coming on our show and doing his show and during the doing the turning point events

02:33:04.960 which are so special and so influential and important but he loved his family more than anything he loved God

02:33:11.580 and that's what we should need to do that's all we should do tonight lower your flag to half staff

02:33:19.640 Doug just texted me ours is down already and hug your children and hug your spouse

02:33:25.640 and go to church this weekend or temple or synagogue or mosque whatever you do say prayer

02:33:33.880 for everyone who's suffering because of Charlie's death especially his family

02:33:37.780 and then we must move forward with priorities in place with love front and center in our lives and

02:33:46.280 connection and not too much time away from those who matter to us right like have the family dinner

02:33:53.120 move things around to make it happen don't prioritize only your work make sure that valve gets some

02:34:01.280 some liquid in it you know fill up all of these valves and and then move forward you can't can't live

02:34:12.200 in fear he wouldn't have wanted that he certainly didn't do that you can't allow yourself to be

02:34:17.060 consumed by anger as Father Mike Schmidt said anger is appropriate and we will feel it and we will it is

02:34:22.420 righteous anger but you can't stay mired in it for too long or you cannot function you know I I said to

02:34:29.620 my daughter I've said to my daughter who's of course you know very empathetic because she's a teenage girl

02:34:34.440 when other things happen don't take on every upset as your own you know don't take on every tragedy that

02:34:42.440 you see in the news or around you as as if it's personal because it'll break your heart well our

02:34:50.620 hearts are broken right now and for some of us and many of us it does feel personal this loss so we need

02:34:58.380 a time to grieve and we need a time then to feel really angry and then we need to move through those

02:35:05.460 emotions and do something about it not violence not ruining any commentator's life you know for what

02:35:15.240 it's worth I know Van Jones a little and I told you before I wasn't blaming Van Jones and talking about

02:35:19.460 that soundbite I was trying to set the stage for what Charlie was doing this week he's devastated too

02:35:24.140 Van's a good man he he's devastated too so in any event but but the but the perpetrator should be

02:35:31.900 held to account to the fullest extent possible under the law and then we must take an honest look

02:35:38.720 at what motivated him assuming it was him what was it was it just some nutcase if it was a nutcase

02:35:47.260 we are not going to skip by yet another tragedy without institutionalization I will go I I pledge

02:35:56.440 to go to the White House myself and talk directly to the president about it I promise you that's what

02:36:02.640 I will do it but what is it we need to know what it is and to know what it is we need to catch the

02:36:08.280 person so it's all hands on deck if you know anything if you have any reason to believe it's someone you

02:36:13.680 may know or you've heard something or you're in Utah we have a lot of fans out there contact the FBI

02:36:18.540 I have no doubt that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino will be all over this we need to catch the person

02:36:25.020 and we need to find the motivation we need to punish the person and we need to punish the people

02:36:29.260 who created the motivation the the circumstances that led this person to think he probably could walk

02:36:38.360 into an arena and take the innocent life of a good and decent man that's it I'll give you the last

02:36:45.160 news update before we sign off Utah Valley University officials encourage students who are still on

02:36:50.260 campus or who had taken shelter in university buildings after the shooting to call for a police

02:36:55.840 escort quote police will come and escort you out of the building wrote the university on social media

02:37:01.040 the kids there are still not safe they don't know who committed this crime and we must know

02:37:07.720 and I have faith in the law enforcement to find out God bless all of you thank you thank you for

02:37:13.000 being with us thank you for making the show possible thank you for loving us and really thank you for

02:37:18.060 loving us and making me feel loved and valued in this job that I do um I know Charlie felt that too

02:37:28.780 gratitude toward his audience for giving him an extraordinary life Vivek is right what he did

02:37:35.300 in 31 years so far surpasses what most people accomplish in a full and lengthy lifetime something

02:37:41.240 about which his family can be very proud I'm sure his mother I didn't realize his mom was still around

02:37:46.680 but it makes sense he's young can be very proud and when his kids are old enough they will get to know

02:37:51.880 their father as Emily points out through videos and through the rest of us who will make sure

02:37:57.000 that he goes on living that's how all of our loved ones go on living through our memories and

02:38:02.420 when we share them all my love to all of you all my gratitude as well we'll see you again tomorrow

02:38:07.900 on the megan kelly show thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 10, 2025

Charlie Kirk Dead at 31 - Assassination on Utah College Campus During Turning Point Event

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