The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk on How Jill Stein and Joe Manchin Could Hurt Biden in 2024, and Progressive Left Turning on Each Other

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.620 What a week it's been from an election day that went unexpectedly well for the Democrats,

00:00:22.780 again, to the Republican presidential debate and now new polling in key battleground states.

00:00:28.800 I mean, additional new polling after that New York Times Siena poll, which has some very,

00:00:34.620 very good news for former President Trump. Meantime, the New York Times getting a taste of

00:00:39.460 what it's like to be targeted by protests as pro-Palestinian demonstrators storm the Times

00:00:45.140 lobby, charging the newspaper with genocide. Everyone's a genocider now. You can't make it up.

00:00:51.480 Plus, wait until you hear who is behind one of the latest gross teardowns of hostage posters.

00:00:57.820 Joining me today for the full show, Charlie Kirk, founder and CEO of Turning Point USA and host

00:01:04.720 of The Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie, great to have you back. How are you doing?

00:01:10.420 Thank you, Megyn. Good. Thanks so much for having me.

00:01:12.660 So I want to get to these polls in one second, but let's just kick it off with the debate because I

00:01:16.320 haven't had the chance to hear from you since the debate the other night. What did you make of it and

00:01:21.860 did you think it moved the needle at all? No, I mean, my favorite part of the debate,

00:01:26.380 honestly, was Vivek Ramaswamy's opening statement. First of all, I totally agree with him that Rana

00:01:31.380 should resign. We've talked about that on the show, and I think it's important given the disappointing

00:01:35.800 election results this week about the lack of machinery and the lack of accountability when it

00:01:40.780 comes to the RNC and how we're investing or not investing in these key states, especially with ballot

00:01:46.460 chasing and voter registration. But honestly, what I thought was even better, the best part of it was

00:01:51.680 when he put NBC News on the spot and it didn't get nearly the attention that I think in the legacy

00:01:59.460 media, but online amongst conservative influencers and kind of those of us on social media, we were

00:02:05.360 giving standing ovations. Finally, somebody put it on NBC News. You had Welker there and Lester Holt

00:02:11.480 that act as if they're these impartial moderators where they have been active pushers of disinformation.

00:02:17.940 And it's not just one story. The Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden laptop, you know, a lot of stuff with

00:02:23.720 COVID, masks work, locking down schools, vaccine is safe and effective. And, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy,

00:02:30.220 he capitalized on this. And you know, I've talked about this before, Megan. You know, I believe Governor

00:02:33.980 Rodney. Let me just play it, Charlie, just to refresh people on what he said, and then I'll let you pick

00:02:37.420 up. Please do. Yes. Thank you. Why should you be the nominee and not the former president?

00:02:42.780 I think there's something deeper going on in the Republican Party here. And I am upset about what

00:02:46.780 happened last night. We've become a party of losers at the end of the day. It was a cancer in

00:02:52.460 the Republican establishment. Let's speak the truth. I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over

00:02:56.860 as chairwoman of the RNC in 2017, we have lost 2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave that never came. We got

00:03:04.640 trounced last night. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk. We'd have 10 times the

00:03:10.520 viewership asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about and bringing more

00:03:15.280 people into our party. Do you think the Democrats, and we've got Kristen Welker here, do you think

00:03:19.680 the Democrats would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate? They wouldn't do it.

00:03:25.900 And so the fact of the matter is, I mean, Kristen, I'm going to use this time because this is actually

00:03:28.400 about you in the media and the corrupt media establishment. Ask you the Trump-Russia collusion

00:03:33.720 hoax that you pushed on this network for years. Was that real or was that Hillary Clinton made up

00:03:39.620 disinformation? Answer the question. Go. Okay, keep going. Go. No, first of all, I'm so glad you

00:03:47.740 played it because there's so many takeaways there, but he puts them on the spot. And, you know, they

00:03:53.000 had this little smirk, Welker and Holt, and they said, oh, you know, let's leave our time for the

00:03:57.520 candidates. They didn't know how to answer it because deep down they know that he hit their vulnerable

00:04:02.980 spot, that he hit a weakness in the regime media, is that they masquerade as impartial moderators when

00:04:10.020 in reality they're activists. They're activists on Meet the Press. They're activists on NBC Nightly

00:04:15.660 News. And honestly, I think it was a huge mistake and a largely unforgivable one for the RNC to partner

00:04:22.560 with the NBC News in this way. But, you know, I believe Governor Ron DeSantis is America's greatest

00:04:26.940 governor. We've talked about that before, Megan. What a missed opportunity for Ron DeSantis not to do

00:04:31.300 this in his opening statement. First question was to Ron DeSantis. And I'll be honest, he gave a canned

00:04:35.880 political answer that made me roll my eyes. You know, gas prices are too high and people aren't.

00:04:40.780 I said, forget it. Where's the kind of alpha male? Guys, stop it. Where's the kind of Fauci is awful

00:04:47.720 and he used to fight with reporters? Ron DeSantis should have been like, are you ashamed of yourself,

00:04:51.460 Lester Holt? Like, you hate us. Why are you here? Right? Like, why are you here? Like,

00:04:57.980 you've attacked. That's the alpha Ron DeSantis we want and said, it's, well, you know, people are

00:05:03.480 real and I feel your pain. It was like this fake Bill Clinton thing. And Vivek Ramaswamy, to his

00:05:08.660 credit, read the room and he took the low hanging fruit. Here you have two debate moderators that are

00:05:16.060 despised by the Republican debates, right? God bless you, Hewitt. I really like him. I've known him for

00:05:21.060 years. You know, he didn't get enough airtime, in my opinion. Lester Holt and Welker, they are not,

00:05:25.260 you know, they're not fair. They're not impartial. They are activists. They are spokespeople for the

00:05:31.540 American Democrat Party. It might as well be a Democrat super PAC that calls itself a media

00:05:36.020 network. And Vivek capitalized on it. In addition, the stones that it takes, Megan, if I could speak

00:05:41.680 bluntly, to say that the chair of the RNC should resign at an RNC-sponsored debate. Woo! That's some

00:05:49.300 cojones right there. Well, right. And she's, I mean, she has been the scourge of a lot of Republican

00:05:54.840 commentary because the Republicans keep losing. And so it's like, look, it's not just Ronna McDaniel.

00:06:00.300 Trump is get, he gets blamed. Ronna gets blamed. Anybody in, in the position of power and influence

00:06:05.780 over these elections is going to get blamed because they keep losing. So everyone's got to

00:06:11.140 take some responsibility. She had a one-liner yesterday, I think with Stu Varney, he's at 4%

00:06:16.560 in the polls. He needs to say something to get attention, kind of dismissive of Vivek. And look,

00:06:21.820 you can't blame everything on Ronna McDaniel. I don't think the RNC has been doing a great job,

00:06:26.880 obviously. There's a lot of blame to go around, but I loved the fact that he called out NBC. I

00:06:33.140 felt the same. I know why the RNC did it. NBC is a big platform, very big platform, and they want

00:06:40.160 eyeballs on the debate. And like, look, you know, you know, we're doing this partnership with News

00:06:44.780 Nation for the next debate. News Nation doesn't really have many viewers at all. Like it's a fledgling,

00:06:51.180 new news network that's just trying to get attention. So they're not going to get the hit

00:06:55.720 for going with News Nation and yours truly and Eliana of Free Beacon, like you went with a bunch

00:07:01.540 of leftists. But will the numbers be as big? Will the platform be as big? I doubt it. Right. It's

00:07:06.660 not NBC News, which is right there on your cable dial as soon as you turn on your television.

00:07:10.400 But at what cost, at what cost do you partner with them? Right. Because it's like, you know what

00:07:15.160 you're going to get even when they try to be neutral. And last night or two nights ago,

00:07:19.040 they did try to not sound like the Democrats. They we know they are. Lester says is Republican.

00:07:24.520 OK, show me the evidence. Even when they try to be, they don't choose the right ins and outs on

00:07:29.780 the questions. They don't come at the issues the way Republicans want them comment. There were a

00:07:33.500 bunch of issues that are important to Republicans that once again were left on the editing room floor.

00:07:37.580 So you you can see the fact that these are not people who are interested in what what is

00:07:42.940 motivating the Republican base. No, first of all, I'm thrilled you're you're doing the next

00:07:47.800 debate, Megan. That's a step in the right direction, because honestly, you're going to

00:07:51.340 ask the tough questions very firmly and fairly more. You know, that Univision person that was

00:07:55.640 there a couple of debates ago is just obviously had an agenda and you're going to hold them

00:07:59.160 accountable. And also, you have a really big audience of people of all different political

00:08:02.800 backgrounds. And finally, Megan, I think and I don't know what you're going to ask, but

00:08:06.780 I would imagine you're going to get some answers on this trans thing, which I think is a

00:08:10.380 civilizational defining issue. Right. That has not received any attention.

00:08:14.440 All by NBC. Right. So I'm really not a question.

00:08:18.480 Because they know it's a loser. Right. So NBC, they'll talk about abortion, you know,

00:08:22.220 six weeks, eight weeks. Hold on. What about 13 years for chemical castration? So I'm thrilled

00:08:26.960 that you're involved. I think that's a huge win. I mean that. And I'll say this, though,

00:08:30.720 just to push back on this distribution thing. I will say this. If the RNC thought a little bit

00:08:35.640 more creatively, what if they would have done an open live stream with four daily wire hosts,

00:08:41.980 I think that they would have had competing viewership of NBC news. I really believe that,

00:08:46.580 Megan, if they would have had Candace Owens and Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro or whatever. Right. I

00:08:52.020 mean, you could name these people across the board. Dan Bongino, who's not part of daily wire.

00:08:55.900 Yeah. Or turning point. Right. We offered ourselves up to it. I would say that the the old muscle

00:09:01.320 memory of the RNC says you have to go with NBC. And that's still largely the truth. Right.

00:09:05.680 There's there on YouTube TV, direct TV. You don't have to think about it. You turn it on.

00:09:09.160 But, you know, the whole the whole complaint that I hear is, oh, we're losing younger voters. And,

00:09:14.060 you know, obviously, I've dedicated my life to it. I have some insight into it. Well, why don't you

00:09:18.060 have a different type of a debate then? Not just the Lester Holt and Welker hour. I think Vivek was

00:09:23.160 getting on to something, which is Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, somebody off the wall, you know, a David

00:09:28.620 Sachs type person that is very analytical, very fair, obviously anti-woke, asks the right questions.

00:09:34.260 Have the All In podcast ask some of these questions. And the RNC, it doesn't need to be this

00:09:38.480 elaborately produced thing in podcast culture. You know this, Megan, the content actually

00:09:44.000 supersedes the aesthetic in some way. You don't need the five million dollar stage. I mean,

00:09:48.240 all that's fine, I guess. But what I'm getting at is that if if the RNC was really operating in a way

00:09:54.440 of reaching the most people and reaching primary voters, we have to remember that this is first about

00:10:00.180 a audience of primary voters. And I've spent a lot of time amongst Republican primary voters. NBC News

00:10:06.740 is not exactly a fan favorite. I mean, it's kind of like it's a contaminated network at this place

00:10:12.880 where people don't even want to go to that channel. And so I hear the distribution thing.

00:10:17.700 The only only argument that I'll give the RNC to all fairness is that this is an opportunity to be on

00:10:23.760 a network to potentially persuade independent voters to vote Republican. I'm not convinced

00:10:29.600 Republicans bickering with one another about high heels and daughters. TikTok usage is a good look

00:10:37.020 for independent, moderate voters. That's going to happen in a primary debate. That's the candidate's

00:10:41.900 fault. Yes. You know, like I agree. You have to go lowbrow, right? They could have kept the fights

00:10:46.520 more elevated. And they should. I have to say, like, look, Nikki Haley, she drew blood off of

00:10:52.880 Vivek, too, in the earlier debate, saying I get dumber every time I listen to you. That was personal.

00:10:58.160 It was nasty. He came back this time around with, you know, Dick Cheney and three inch heels.

00:11:04.040 People are saying it was sexist. I didn't care. I know. I wasn't feeling like this was a sexist

00:11:07.860 attack. Like she does wear heels like, OK, I don't know. Whatever. He's pointing out she's she's

00:11:13.580 like Dick Cheney, only a woman. That's what he's trying to say. In any event, that's up to them.

00:11:18.480 If they want to go lowbrow and sound like petty little, you know, schoolchildren, then that's not

00:11:23.700 on the moderator or Ronna McDaniel. Only they control. And I would say, as as somebody who's

00:11:28.300 not a political advisor but has been doing this a long time, if I were up there, I would try to

00:11:32.540 make every answer about Joe Biden. I would try to make every answer about Joe Biden. You know, if I had

00:11:37.520 a point of disagreement with my fellow Republican up there, I'd say, look, you know, kind of like

00:11:41.340 Vivek says, like, I I feel very differently about Ukraine than these people do. And this

00:11:44.840 is why. Fine. That's that's fair. And he should do that. But for the most part, I'd be like,

00:11:49.560 let me tell you about Joe Biden. How are they not freaking out on Joe Biden and the border?

00:11:55.380 How is that like how are they not blaming him for all the money that we've given to Iran?

00:12:01.460 They'll say all this in a one on one interview, but they get up there and they just shrink into

00:12:05.480 the smallest versions of themselves. Yeah. And that's such a smart point, which

00:12:11.200 is, I mean, if you're the Democrat Party, not only do you have a good election day on Tuesday,

00:12:15.780 largely because of machinery and sophistication, and I'm sure we'll get into parts of that,

00:12:19.840 but also you have to watch this kind of bickering match. And let's just also state the obvious.

00:12:24.900 Is it actually a debate, Megan, if the front runner who has 60 percent of the approval is not there?

00:12:31.420 It's something I don't know what it is. I mean, it could be a forum. It could be a fun conversation.

00:12:36.780 That's not really an honest and healthy debate. Right. And Vivek is the only one to his credit.

00:12:41.720 And I'll be I want to be very fair. I I told this to Vivek privately in public. I didn't like when

00:12:46.040 he went after Nikki Haley's daughter. I don't like that. I think that's unfair. That's I don't like

00:12:51.020 it. It's you know, that's a very complicated thing. So I just want to put that there. Oh,

00:12:54.980 your daughter uses TikTok like I don't like it. OK, but I still think he's yeah, I think he's the

00:13:00.080 winner of the debate. I think he did a better job than not. And especially he had some viral

00:13:04.000 moments that were important. But Vivek is the only one that realized that the Republican

00:13:07.560 base still likes Donald Trump. They enthusiastically are behind that. And one of the things that

00:13:13.480 I wish they would have all could have agreed on instead of Chris Christie's like fake folksy

00:13:17.860 New Jersey tough guy thing, which drives me crazy. It's like, hey, love him or hate him.

00:13:23.300 It is morally wrong and unacceptable that the Department of Justice is going to lock the leader

00:13:28.120 of the opposition party, potentially in prison for 500 years. I mean, every answer should be

00:13:34.700 directed at that. Right. And here's the buried lead, though. I think some people on that stage,

00:13:40.020 Chris Christie, definitely maybe Tim Scott, maybe not. I don't know about DeSantis and, you know,

00:13:44.780 probably Nikki Haley. They're not that bothered that that Donald Trump might be facing that prison

00:13:50.360 time. That's the only way forward. Precisely. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. If I were

00:13:57.400 one of them, I realize that they're trying to get the Trump voters and all that. But at this point

00:14:00.820 in the game, I'd be going after Trump, too. What do they have to lose? Like they're going to lose

00:14:04.920 it. Like something needs to change in their strategy. Like it's up to them. They're the

00:14:10.340 candidates. Make it all about Biden. Make it all about Trump. You know, be better on your

00:14:14.700 substantive differences between the others up there. But like just keep getting up there and saying,

00:14:18.700 like, my vision for this, my vision. It's like you're not in that primary that that is not this

00:14:23.540 primary. You've got an 800 pound gorilla ahead of you in the GOP lane. You're not getting past him

00:14:29.540 unless you you go after him. That's my view at this point, because they're not getting Trump voters so

00:14:33.800 they can only consolidate support with the non Trump voters or mention Joe Biden and how you're

00:14:39.340 going to completely erase and crush all of his politics. Like do something other than, as you point

00:14:43.900 out, the petty squabbles where it's like, TikTok? What? Wait, why? What?

00:14:48.960 I know. Well, and then and also to your point, Megan, you know, God bless him. I think he's an

00:14:52.860 honorable man and I've always liked him. But it makes me cringe when I hear Tim Scott's

00:14:57.260 morning in America redux. I mean, it's like his it's it's like it's his it's his default play.

00:15:02.540 And I'm like, bro, it's this folksy and he's like, our better angels are tomorrow and we are

00:15:08.440 opportunity. And it's like it is not 1988, man. OK, like that that is falling flat. And it's it's so

00:15:18.400 like and together we can unite. And it's kind of this it's as if you were to script, you know,

00:15:24.860 a political candidate. And honestly, yeah, the Republican base, they're pretty pissed.

00:15:30.420 They're pissed that they don't have a border. They're pissed that there is a traitor criminal,

00:15:34.440 in my opinion, as president of the United States. They're pissed that we're borrowing

00:15:38.240 two trillion dollars a year. And the politics at its best, if you have an opposition party,

00:15:43.800 actually focus the focuses the energy on the incumbent regime. But that's a great point,

00:15:48.460 Megan. I don't know the answer, but I think there was more attention focused on

00:15:53.400 the infighting or just I don't like you or you don't like me. And I like policy disagreements. I

00:15:59.820 think that's a smart point rather than, hey, we're actually here to eventually go beat Joe Biden.

00:16:05.300 I didn't get that sense. Right. This is like they have such an opportunity this year in a way,

00:16:09.900 because the Dems obviously aren't having any primaries, though they should. They're not having

00:16:15.220 any debates. They're not allowing anybody to go up against Joe Biden in the Dem lane. That's why

00:16:18.880 RFKJ had to move over to independent. And we'll talk about some of these other candidates who are now

00:16:22.920 popping up. It's getting interesting over there, possibly Manchin, possibly. Well, yes,

00:16:27.540 Jill Stein, don't write her off. She's not going to win, but she's a spoiler. She spoiled it for

00:16:31.980 Hillary. So she's important. So they're not going to let anybody challenge Biden. So what does that

00:16:36.880 mean for the Republicans? That's that. I think it's an advantage to them to have these debates

00:16:40.400 going on, even if one of these guys doesn't emerge as the nominee, which is unlikely, as we know,

00:16:46.020 it's them up there talking about their issues and everything Joe Biden is doing wrong.

00:16:50.200 If they would do it right, that's how this would sound. It would be two hours a night

00:16:55.320 on NBC, on Fox, on NewsNation, whatever, to millions of audience members saying he's ruining

00:17:03.080 the country. We all agree on that. And then focus, like tick off the reasons why, get specific,

00:17:10.680 unleash all these amazing, you know, minds on those issues so they can make the case over and over and

00:17:15.600 over. That inures to the party's benefit, no matter who winds up being the nominee.

00:17:19.680 They can't do it because, you know, you're naturally narcissistic if you run for president

00:17:23.600 and they are in a contest where they have to beat the other guys around them.

00:17:26.900 So it's just it's not turning into the opportunity it could have been.

00:17:31.400 What a great point here. You have if that that's the best argument to do an NBC News thing,

00:17:36.060 right? So you get two hours to then make the case to connect the pain, misery, suffering and

00:17:43.000 discontent that people are feeling with an actual person that is doing it, Joe Biden and the Democrats.

00:17:48.220 And that's the best if only argument to do something on NBC News. And I think it was

00:17:53.580 largely a failed and missed opportunity occurring to me. What if they actually all got together before

00:17:58.080 that debate and said, you know, clearly we can't stand each other's guts, but clearly nobody here

00:18:03.040 is winning. So why don't we take this opportunity to make every answer about Joe Biden and the Democrats

00:18:07.880 and the media and NBC? Let's like let's just keep turning it back.

00:18:12.120 Like the Republican base would have been like, yes, yes, I love them all. I'm signing up and

00:18:19.420 registering today. Yeah, you've you've you've spent time around politicians, Megan, you know,

00:18:26.480 to try to get, you know, five politicians who I mean, look, God, God bless them all. I know I know

00:18:33.100 them. I don't know Chris Christie very well. The others I've known pretty well. You can't get them

00:18:37.660 to agree on anything. And they they all they don't want to address, you know, the big you know,

00:18:43.340 obviously the big one Trump. Some Chris Christie said he's not even going to support him. He's the

00:18:46.580 nominee. And it does make you think, do all five on that stage? Is their top priority beating Joe

00:18:53.400 Biden? I don't know. I don't think it is. I do not think the top, top priority is to beat Joe Biden,

00:18:59.200 keep the Democrats out of power. I'm not I'm not especially for Chris Christie. That's I don't

00:19:03.200 think that's the case. Well, I mean, I think what has he said that he's not going to vote?

00:19:08.240 He's going to go third party. I can't remember whether he said he would actually vote for Joe

00:19:12.020 Biden. I don't want to I don't want to get it wrong, but it's something where I'm not going

00:19:15.880 to support Trump if he's the nominee, as if that's a real big blow to Trump's constituency.

00:19:19.960 Yeah, right. I actually went back. I was taking a look at some prior debates in preparation for

00:19:24.220 this next one. And I was playing that famous August 2015 debate with Trump and Brett and Chris

00:19:32.100 Wallace and I and me. And that was the opening. The opening question was from Brett Baer to all

00:19:37.600 the candidates on that stage saying, will you pledge? He said, we know you don't like raise

00:19:41.940 your hand questions. So this will be the only one. Raise your hand if you will not support the ultimate

00:19:46.680 nominee of the party. And Trump was the only one. Trump was the only one raising his hand.

00:19:53.540 And he said, you know, I can't if it's I got to be honest, if it's not me, I don't I'm not sure I

00:19:59.840 can get behind any of these guys. And it was he was telling the truth. I think at that point,

00:20:05.480 very few people believed it really would be Trump. He was having a surge in the polls. He emerged that

00:20:09.840 night as a front runner went into it. But people always thought he was going to crash and burn.

00:20:14.420 Nobody, you know, nobody thought he could pull it out. In any event, Chris Christie saying it now.

00:20:18.740 Trump got so much shit for saying that Chris Christie saying it now. He doesn't get as much

00:20:21.960 shit for saying I'm not going to support the nominee. Like you point out, no one no one cares

00:20:26.460 about how Chris Christie is going to vote. OK, so let me let me talk about this this poll and

00:20:32.000 also the new candidates. New ish. The new poll today on the wake on the heels of that New York

00:20:38.260 Times, Siena poll and also a CNN poll, which actually we didn't even get to the other day.

00:20:42.280 But so I'll just a highlight on the CNN poll, which came out after the New York Times poll.

00:20:46.660 First of all, it shows that Trump leads Biden in a hypothetical rematch by four points now. So the

00:20:52.660 the lead is widening in most of the polls about four months ago. It was Biden, maybe up one,

00:20:58.340 maybe the two of them tied, maybe Trump up one in the rarer case. Now you're getting consistently

00:21:04.620 Trump, Trump up three, Trump up four, Trump up sometimes five. Most of the electorates say

00:21:10.760 their mind is pretty much made up. Fifty one percent of voters say there's no chance they

00:21:14.120 would vote Biden. Forty eight percent say there's no chance they'll vote Trump. So those

00:21:18.580 you know, Dem votes and Republican votes are pretty hardcore. But here's one of the highlights

00:21:23.520 ahead of it. Just just amazingly. The the black men of America is now supporting Trump.

00:21:31.000 Now, black men in America are supporting Trump more than they're supporting Biden. And

00:21:38.440 it's by forty nine to forty six three points margin towards Trump in twenty twenty among

00:21:44.480 black men. Biden beat Trump by thirty four points. Charlie thirty four. And now there's been

00:21:51.360 a thirty seven point swing in favor of Trump. That's amazing. Republicans have never had those

00:22:00.860 kind of inroads with black voters. So before I get to the new Bloomberg poll comments on

00:22:05.100 that. First of all, if that ends up materializing, I mean, the Democrats chances of winnings go

00:22:11.520 down significantly. I mean, Georgia alone, that will win Donald Trump, the state of Georgia.

00:22:16.420 It will get him almost a guaranteed victory in Wisconsin. Arizona won't matter as much.

00:22:20.840 And there's a lot of different reasons for that. Honestly, Megan, I think the trans issue

00:22:24.080 is chief among them. I think the immigration economy trans are moving black men away from

00:22:29.900 the Democrat Party. Black men do not want to hear about their kids or grandkids.

00:22:35.740 You know, men becoming women are women becoming men. That dog does not hunt in the black community.

00:22:41.720 Secondly, the economy is just trash, especially for people on the lower income ladder, people

00:22:46.840 that work for a living, muscular class. And it's not just black men, but Hispanic men and

00:22:51.060 Hispanic voters in general. And then finally, mass immigration. We are seeing the border continually

00:22:57.000 wide open. Where are a lot of these illegals going, Megan? They're going into black neighborhoods.

00:23:02.140 They're going into Chicago. They're going into New York. And you're starting to see kind of that

00:23:05.920 spillover effect. You see a video here, a video there. You have to really kind of search for it

00:23:10.000 because the media is ignoring it. But there is rage in the black community about social services,

00:23:15.320 schools being overrun, you know, prioritization for the black community to get these sort of

00:23:21.340 services. They also know. Sorry, this person from Nicaragua is going to get it first. If this ends up

00:23:26.060 happening, Megan, it is a electoral and political game changer. It's huge. I don't think Republicans

00:23:33.340 ever believed anyone could do it. And yet Donald Trump is doing it. OK, that leads me to Bloomberg

00:23:38.400 today. You mentioned Georgia. My God, Trump up seven. He's up seven in Georgia. Now, it was very,

00:23:46.260 very tight in Georgia between Trump and Biden last time around. Biden won by 11,000 votes,

00:23:52.400 but seven right now for Trump. That's huge. Arizona, Trump up for Pennsylvania. That was such a

00:24:00.300 squeaker. Trump up three. Nevada, Trump up three. Nevada. I mean, the Republicans got trounced in Nevada

00:24:07.340 in 2022 midterms. Wisconsin, Trump up one, just the one. But Wisconsin's huge.

00:24:15.300 North Carolina, Trump up nine and Michigan tied. Michigan tied. These. There's got to be an all

00:24:25.540 out panic. David Axelrod is going to go back on CNN immediately. Like, yes, exactly. To me.

00:24:31.180 I will take some of these polls with a grain of salt. I think this is a hit against Joe Biden.

00:24:37.600 I think they're trying to just they're trying to get the drumbeat going again. The David Ignatius

00:24:41.540 kind of drumbeat. Joe Biden, you got to get out of the way. Joe Biden, you got it. Getting rid of

00:24:46.780 Joe Biden is proving to be far more difficult, I think, than the regime realized. When David Ignatius

00:24:52.140 wrote that piece, you know, Joe Biden must step out. David Ignatius is a spokesperson for the

00:24:56.680 intel agencies. He wrote it in The Washington Post. And we saw very similar pieces come up.

00:25:01.040 So I think this polling is a little bit too good to be true. I think there is some truth to it. I

00:25:07.220 think that Donald Trump legitimately is more popular if the election was conducted fairly and

00:25:12.640 squarely and the RNC had its act together. I think Donald Trump, of course, wins by how much

00:25:17.000 I do not know. But I think the main takeaway from this poll is they're trying to get rid of Joe

00:25:21.520 Biden. Now, mind you, the problem with these polls, though, and I know we're going to talk about

00:25:25.100 this, Megan, is it didn't factor in third party candidates. This is the hardest of all things

00:25:29.600 to try to poll and to predict. Binary races you could predict with some sort of precision.

00:25:35.020 But in 2016, one of the reasons why the polling was so wrong is that people did not anticipate

00:25:40.840 150,000 votes for Jill Stein here and 80,000 votes for Jill Stein here. Well, now imagine,

00:25:46.840 theoretically, you have Trump, you have Biden, you have potentially Cornel West, definitely Jill

00:25:50.860 Stein. Manchin and Romney, maybe we'll see about that. And RFK, how do you poll that?

00:25:56.440 Right. I mean, who takes from who at that place? And we can build that out and dissect it. So the

00:26:02.300 only problem with that poll is that it was just a Trump v. Biden. And they said, here's a third

00:26:07.120 option if you'd like to choose one, unspecified, undefined. But what it does show, though, is that

00:26:12.960 the Democrats have a major incumbent problem and their machinery can only take them so far. Their

00:26:19.920 ability to harvest ballots, their ability to... I'm not even talking about the illegal stuff. I'm talking

00:26:24.280 about the legal stuff we know that they do. Their GOTV operation, their micro-targeting, their ability

00:26:29.480 to communicate to very specific communities like young women on abortion or young black women on

00:26:35.940 reparations, micro-target college kids on student loan forgiveness, whatever. They're very, very good

00:26:42.240 at that using sophisticated technology and artificial intelligence. And Republicans are so far behind.

00:26:47.260 But that machinery has limits. They can only do... That probably is a three or four point boost at

00:26:53.580 best. There's only so much of that if there is an overwhelming cascade of voters, especially

00:26:59.240 when the math gets super interesting when a community like the Hispanic community here in Arizona

00:27:05.620 that traditionally would go 65% Democrat is all of a sudden 50-50 Republican Democrat. The math

00:27:12.120 goes completely haywire for the Democrats. If black men... They can't take those losses.

00:27:17.120 No, they can't... They cannot win enough suburban wine moms back for the Democrat party that have

00:27:24.320 anxiety over abortion if you have... If you're losing five Hispanics for every wine mom that you win in

00:27:30.120 Paradise Valley. The math doesn't work, right? No, and I don't even mean that as a pejorative. It's just

00:27:36.260 the thing, right? No, but I love it. What do you mean? We're not judging. What?

00:27:39.280 Okay. Yeah. No, it's just true. I mean, but there's a lot of mystery to this and a lot of

00:27:47.080 guessing. So my drumbeat every day that I hit, Megan, and what we're trying to do at Turning

00:27:51.960 Point Action, our political arm, is let's do the stuff that we know will make a difference.

00:27:56.560 The boring but necessary work, ballot chasing, registering new voters, engaging in early voting,

00:28:02.500 keeping your head down, and doing the difficult and tough work. Because if anybody tells you they

00:28:08.240 know what this election is going to look like, they are guessing and lying. When you have five

00:28:13.180 different... That feels like a European election, Megan. Five or six different candidates, they're all

00:28:17.920 going to be raising millions of dollars. And there is a legitimate possibility, and we could dive as

00:28:23.080 deep as you want into this, that no candidate gets the 270 electoral votes. And it goes to the

00:28:27.620 House of Representatives. Oh my gosh.

00:28:29.920 I could walk you through what that would look like, right?

00:28:33.200 I want you to do that. Wait, wait. Let's do that. Let's do that. But table it for one second. I'll

00:28:38.360 squeeze in a break before we do third parties. But before we do that, I want to point out that Joe

00:28:42.900 Biden agrees with you that these polls are not necessarily to be trusted. He was confronted on

00:28:48.780 the terrible polling by Fox News' Peter Ducey and another reporter. Here's how that went.

00:28:54.020 Why do you think it is that people should be more concerned about abortion access than your age?

00:29:01.460 I don't think it's a comparable comparison. Why do you think it is that you're trailing Trump in

00:29:06.360 all these swing state polls? Because you don't read the polls. There are 10 polls. Eight of them,

00:29:12.400 I'm beating them in those states. Eight of them. You guys only do two. CNN and New York Times.

00:29:18.140 Check it out. Check it out. We'll get you a copy of all those polls.

00:29:21.500 I don't believe you're trailing in battleground states.

00:29:24.020 No, I don't.

00:29:26.660 Okay. So he says it's fake news, sounding a little Trumpy. This is what everybody does when the news

00:29:33.680 is bad for them. It's fake news. And then when the outcome of the election comes out in a bad way,

00:29:38.980 that's fake, too. It's just like nothing is bad for me. It'll be it'll be Putin. It'll be Jill

00:29:45.360 Stein is a Putin puppet. That's right. All right. Stand by, because what's happening in that third

00:29:50.620 party lane is getting very interesting. We'll be right back. Charlie Kirk is with us for the

00:29:55.080 whole show today. Happy about that.

00:29:57.060 The political system is broken. The two Wall Street parties are bought and paid for. Over 60% of us now say

00:30:06.480 the bipartisan establishments failed us. And we need a party that serves the people. Both parties

00:30:13.340 are a danger to our democracy, expanding censorship, criminalizing protests, throwing competitors off

00:30:21.940 the ballot, suppressing debates, rigging their primaries. We do have the power and we can use

00:30:29.540 it in this election to start building an America and a world that works for all of us.

00:30:37.400 She's back. That was Jill Stein. Welcome back to he here to all of you to the Megyn Kelly show. My

00:30:44.140 guest today is Charlie Kirk. So, you know, no one's going to vote for Jill Stein that we know. I don't

00:30:49.680 think we know a single person is going to vote for Jill Stein. However, she matters. I mean,

00:30:54.440 go, Jill, go. You go, sister. Green.

00:30:57.320 Oh, I'm going to buy the shirt.

00:30:59.360 Right. Jill Stein. Right. You know, feel the Stein. I love it. By the way, I just you very

00:31:06.060 couple takeaways from that video. People listening on podcast or on Sirius XM. I just want to make sure

00:31:10.480 she's showing imagery of the Palestinian protesters being arrested. That's a big deal for them.

00:31:16.200 Understand that Jill Stein is going to get a boost because a lot of people in the Democrat base are

00:31:21.900 pissed at Biden. There's a reason why she put that imagery on there. Right. And in a state like

00:31:26.780 Michigan, where you have hundreds of thousands of Hamas sympathizers, I'm not exaggerating in

00:31:31.720 Dearborn, Michigan or in Minnesota, stuff like that can make a very, very big difference. So look,

00:31:36.700 when you talk about third parties, it's very, very hard to predict, but you can look at trends.

00:31:40.060 I, I will die on this hill, Megan. I think RFK hurts Trump. I've said this to the Trump team.

00:31:45.920 I see it firsthand. I think RFK hurts Donald Trump far more than he hurts Joe Biden,

00:31:50.760 largely because Donald Trump is running a race of saying low trust of institutions. The DOJ is

00:31:58.140 corrupt. The FBI is corrupt. The country is going to hell. RFK is saying that the vaccine companies

00:32:03.580 and the pharmaceutical companies and the corporations are corrupt. So you have low trust,

00:32:07.980 low trust of institution voters that are going to be competing for the same, the same sort of

00:32:13.500 candidates competing for those voters. Joe Biden is a high trust of institutions candidate where he

00:32:18.400 says, Hey, institutions are worthy of trust. This is the Joe Scarborough thing, right? Which is how

00:32:22.640 dare you question the FBI? How dare you question the military? What are you non-patriotic? Honestly,

00:32:28.420 Megan, what's incredible is Joe Biden's mantra, attitude, vibe, and messaging is identical to George W.

00:32:37.440 Bush messaging in 2004. Identical. That if you speak against the military or anti-American,

00:32:42.960 if you don't like the government, it's the same as not liking the country. It's very interesting to

00:32:48.000 see this inversion happen. But then you have these other candidates, right? So Joe Biden's math gets

00:32:52.900 messy when all of a sudden you introduce a Jill Stein. I don't know what happened to Cornel West.

00:32:57.820 Did they buy him off or did they like threaten him to put him in Gitmo?

00:33:00.620 He's still around. I guess he's no longer going to be the green party guy. Now he's going to run

00:33:06.080 as an independent because the queen of green. This feels like a blackmail thing. I got to be

00:33:11.480 honest. He just, he's getting pushed to this side. He was talking like, I know he was like

00:33:16.520 the good old soul, you know, preacher, pastor, you know, he has that vibe to him, you know,

00:33:20.860 brother Hannity, you know, we need to have a reparations and all this. And he was going to

00:33:24.840 like a fight for the people. And he was doing all these TikToks. And then the daily beast

00:33:28.600 comes out with a story. It's true. They say Cornel West owes 10 years of back taxes to the

00:33:33.320 IRS. And he just kind of, you know, backs away. That's the daily basis of racism playing there.

00:33:40.640 But listen, here's the fascinating thing about Jill Stein. We knew that she was a spoiler,

00:33:44.520 but going back and reading just how big a spoiler she was is interesting. Okay. This is from 11,

00:33:49.980 nine, 2023 WAPO. In 2016, Hillary Trump Stein drew 1.4 million votes nationally as the green party

00:33:59.280 nominee. But Democrats accused Stein of being a spoiler in a number of battleground states where

00:34:04.120 the race was close. Clinton lost Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin to Trump by fewer votes

00:34:10.780 than Stein received. Had Clinton won all three, she would have been president. And think about it.

00:34:18.600 But I remember that anger. Like it was such a tsunami when Trump won. It was like a gazillion

00:34:24.420 news stories. This one was in there, but, you know, probably didn't get as much attention as it

00:34:29.080 normally would. Jill Stein, really, you could make the case she cost the Dems the election.

00:34:35.060 Yeah. And here's the amazing thing, Megan. Democrats use COVID as a way to keep the green

00:34:40.100 party off the ballot. The green party was not on the ballot in 2020. So it was not on the ballot in

00:34:45.740 Georgia. Yes, because they weren't able to get the signatures. So the Democrats come in and they

00:34:50.080 sue. There was no green party in Wisconsin, no green party in Pennsylvania. So you could make

00:34:54.800 the argument that if the green party would have been on the ballot, Donald Trump would still be

00:34:58.480 president. So you can go it even step further. So now you have coming into next year, you have

00:35:05.400 Jill Stein that'll be on the ballot. I professionally debate, let's just say revolutionaries. I'm going to

00:35:11.960 be really nice this morning, Megan. I'm on like three hours of sleep, by the way. I was at UCLA

00:35:15.380 yesterday. It was, it was a really interesting. They do not like Joe Biden. They do not. And the

00:35:21.560 more options that are presented that allow them to vote their conscious, I'm a young freedom fighting

00:35:27.720 voter, the better what the Democrats did in 2020 was so smart. They created a European equivalent

00:35:34.020 of a vote of no confidence against Donald Trump. Very few people voted for Joe Biden.

00:35:40.620 They voted against Donald Trump and the pressure cooker that was created around him. COVID death

00:35:46.720 tolls on CNN, right? Race riots, disorder in the country, panic, right? The kind of idea that the

00:35:53.540 country was falling apart and Joe Biden was just kind of a return to normalcy, return to unity. We all

00:35:58.380 know that was a bunch of crap, right? But that was the way that was framed. And they had to suppress

00:36:02.940 the Hunter Biden laptop story and keep Joe Biden largely untouched to make that happen.

00:36:07.500 Donald Trump is much better as an outsider insurgent candidate than an incumbent candidate.

00:36:13.720 That's my personal opinion. He's much better at calling out the flaws and the, and criticizing an

00:36:19.020 incumbent than defending a record. That's my own person. I think, I think we're on the same page

00:36:23.980 there. So now we have this thing where Jill Stein, if she gets the signatures, which the green party has

00:36:29.880 somewhat of an infrastructure in Wisconsin, has somewhat of an infrastructure in Georgia,

00:36:33.780 somewhat of an infrastructure in Pennsylvania is that Joe Biden is now going to have to go to Dane

00:36:38.580 County, Wisconsin, the home of university, Wisconsin, Madison, and convince younger voters

00:36:43.760 to go vote for him. But honestly, there's other options. Some of the Rogan bros might go for RFK.

00:36:50.300 The younger ladies might go for Jill Stein. The earth worshipers might go to Jill Stein.

00:36:55.040 I'm saying that all of a sudden you're now, you're now going to see that kind of five to six to seven

00:36:59.960 to eight point erosion. And then Joe Biden has a massive Palestine problem. That's not going to go

00:37:04.900 away. This, this is, I have not seen a schism in the Democrat rank and file. And I, I, I do this for

00:37:13.240 a living, Megan. And I'm just like, wow, you know, I love to be shocked and surprised. I did not have

00:37:18.860 on my bingo card, you know, Gaza, you know, splintering the Democrat party. You know, I have

00:37:26.140 to say I, my first thought on it, like after all the other thoughts, I guess it wasn't my first, but

00:37:30.100 I mean, you know, on, in terms of the electoral impact on, on what's happening in the Mideast

00:37:34.300 is maybe this will be the thing that'll finally lead the Dems to close the border when they

00:37:38.460 realize what's what immigration has done in places like Michigan and Minnesota, which is coming back

00:37:43.400 to, it's one thing they wanted it to come back to haunt the Republicans. Now it's coming back to

00:37:47.140 haunt them. That's a totally different matter. Just ask anybody who's trying to get into the

00:37:50.160 United States from Cuba. They see it very differently depending on your, that's right.

00:37:54.020 Politics coming in. They already had a problem in the Muslim vote with the trans stuff and the

00:37:59.300 abortion stuff. They were on shaky ground, especially Muslim men. They might not be in favor of Republicans,

00:38:04.560 but the trans stuff and the abortion stuff are completely against just mainstream, you know,

00:38:10.860 Muslim theology, regardless of anyone's opinions on that. And now they're on even shakier ground

00:38:15.940 with the whole Democrat party splintered over this. So now we look at this, we say, okay,

00:38:21.260 what does this mean? Donald Trump's superpower is in a movable base. It's his superpower.

00:38:28.080 Joe Scarborough said it perfectly on MSNBC and he said it with kind of regret. I don't think things

00:38:33.760 could get any worse for Donald Trump and he's doing very well. Yeah. They kind of threw every,

00:38:38.220 what else are you going to throw another 700 years of prison at him? You trying to tell me that an

00:38:42.100 indictment or a conviction in Fulton County is going to, is going to move his base away? No.

00:38:47.500 The one that does pose a threat though, Jill Stein will hurt Joe Biden. Cornell West will hurt Joe

00:38:53.060 Biden. RFK will hurt Donald Trump, but that is movable. I think you can move RFK's numbers down

00:38:57.920 a little bit, honestly, because he is a Massachusetts liberal who happens to be really good on COVID.

00:39:02.620 And I have great respect for him on that, but I think people are going to wake up a little bit

00:39:05.860 because he's been basically. He's not good on trans. No, he's not. He said, I'm going to be the

00:39:10.780 most pro trans president. That is a big loser for anybody that has been paying attention. So I hope

00:39:17.260 we get the truth out about RFK's true loyalties there, but is this, and I don't know how deep you

00:39:22.380 want to get into this, this Manchin Romney thing, both of which are. Let me tee it up. Let me tee it

00:39:27.720 up. So that's the other big news of the day in the third party lane, Joe Manchin announcing that

00:39:32.020 he's not going to run for reelection as a Senator, Democrat Senator, though centrist in West Virginia,

00:39:38.040 which is the only kind of Democrat who can get elected statewide in West Virginia. He's not going

00:39:42.160 to run again. He's 76 too. Why is everybody 76? Where, where, why they're all 76 or 77 or 80,

00:39:48.060 whatever. So he says, he's not going to run again. It seems very clear. He's, he's getting ready to run

00:39:53.220 with this third party, no labels, which is going to be on the ballot. And, and it actually will launch a

00:39:59.840 candidate. And here's why people think it's not just a resignation. It's something much more.

00:40:05.100 Here's here. He was on Thursday in that video. After months of deliberation and long conversation

00:40:11.220 with my family, I believe in my heart of hearts that I have accomplished what I set out to do for

00:40:17.080 West Virginia. I've made one of the toughest decisions of my life and decided that I will not

00:40:22.520 be running for reelection to United States Senate. But what I will be doing is traveling the country

00:40:28.500 and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and

00:40:34.560 bring Americans together. Public service has and continues to drive me every day. That is the vow that

00:40:40.980 I made to my father over 40 years ago. And I intend to keep that vow until my dying day.

00:40:48.320 If there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle, go ahead with your point.

00:40:53.280 Yeah. So he's probably going to run for president, no labels. So I have on good authority here,

00:41:00.460 Megan. I know some wealthy donors that are not as conservative as I am, but we're still on great

00:41:05.120 terms. We're friends and we've been friends for years and they're getting hit up by no labels.

00:41:08.520 No labels is doing conference calls. They're ramping up. It's real. So just so everyone knows in the

00:41:12.800 audience, no labels is a donor driven project where honestly, some of their analysis of the political

00:41:18.540 landscape is rooted in truth, but it's going to be a money grab for consultants, the likes of which

00:41:25.720 we haven't seen since Mayor Bloomberg's run for the office where he spent a billion dollars to get

00:41:29.760 like an electoral, you know, like a delegate in Guam, right? Or something where it's like,

00:41:33.300 what was that? He spent like a billion dollars. And I think Doug Schoen made like 15 million. I don't

00:41:37.940 know. Doug Schoen is actually a good guy, but it's like, it was like, we've never seen,

00:41:43.300 right? No, but it was true. I think Mayor Bloomberg spent like a billion dollars to get like a person in

00:41:47.660 Guam to say, I'm a Bloomberg delegate. It is. It was one of the most, it was one of the funniest

00:41:52.640 stories in the history of politics, how it wasn't like a Showtime Netflix Hulu documentary of, you

00:41:58.160 know, this former mayor of New York that spends a billion dollars to win a guy in Guam. I still think

00:42:04.080 it was one of the missed opportunities. It still could be done anyway. So this is, this is largely

00:42:09.300 going to be a grift for consultants, right? That let's just be honest. However, this on its surface

00:42:15.120 will hurt Donald Trump because Donald Trump's path to victory in normal circumstances is he

00:42:20.340 needs to win over the college educated suburban voters that are upset about inflation. They're

00:42:26.200 upset about crime, but they want more nuanced solutions. Megan, they don't want necessarily

00:42:30.420 the conservative position on all this stuff. They'd rather have a, a very agreeable approach

00:42:35.980 to politics. Now, a lot of this is unrealistic, but it is admirable in some ways, I guess to try

00:42:41.260 to find, you know, middle consensus because that's the way that politics works at the same

00:42:45.780 time. Let's take a step back. This could hurt Joe Biden in the sense where the Democrats

00:42:53.540 new, the new coalition for Democrats is skewing and skewing more and more college educated,

00:42:59.900 more and more suburban and less and less rural and less and less Hispanic and increasingly less

00:43:06.460 less and less with black men. The no labels mantra will be this. It will be highly nuanced,

00:43:12.420 sophisticated, not sophisticated. I guess sophisticated is a good way to put it messaging

00:43:15.960 on TV deliverables to college educated white voters specifically saying, why can't we get back

00:43:23.360 to find the middle that will not work with the Democrat base? They don't want that, right?

00:43:28.000 The Rashida Tlaibs, the AOCs and Joe Biden needs those people. So he's already gonna lose those.

00:43:31.680 And that's not gonna work with a Donald Trump MAGA base, right? That's an immovable 40% of the

00:43:36.180 country. It will work though with, for example, a Mormon, a typical Mormon voter in the East Valley

00:43:42.720 of Arizona in Chandler or Mesa or Gilbert, right? These are people that voted for Jeff Flake. They

00:43:47.780 voted for Mitt Romney and they, they are asked themselves, can't we find like a middle way that's

00:43:53.740 gonna hurt. I will say this and I'm probably gonna be one of the few people. I think no labels hurts

00:43:57.700 both Biden and Trump. Where it gets very interesting though, is that what if Mitt Romney

00:44:03.360 runs for the presidency with Joe Manchin? Let's just say that's a thing, no labels.

00:44:06.740 Because that's one of the things being potentially reported right now, although no labels is not

00:44:11.000 confirming that.

00:44:12.720 What if he wins a state? What if he wins Utah? What if he wins a state that has six electoral votes?

00:44:18.980 That's not unrealistic. You senator from there, right? A lot of independent type minded people.

00:44:23.960 What if he went, he could potentially win Arizona and that's where it gets really interesting,

00:44:28.460 right? So is Joe Biden counting on the math to win Arizona, but it brings down the threshold for

00:44:33.960 the Republicans. So you need 270 electoral votes to win. Utah has six electoral votes. Nevada has six

00:44:39.660 electoral votes. It's conceited Mitt Romney or Joe Manchin. They're not going to get to 270,

00:44:45.120 right? But they're enough to play spoiler, but spoiler for who? Well, that's where it gets even more

00:44:51.240 interesting, Megan. Take a state like Pennsylvania, right? So Pennsylvania, if you have five different

00:44:56.540 candidates, Donald Trump by far has the most enthusiastic base of any candidate that will

00:45:02.160 be running in Pennsylvania. So if you have Jill Stein that gets 2% and Cornel West that gets 2%

00:45:07.720 and Manchin and Romney that get 8% and Donald Trump gets 38% and Joe Biden gets 37%, that's just some

00:45:15.880 rough math off the top of my head. Well, now all of a sudden you're looking at Donald Trump being

00:45:21.420 president, or as I mentioned before the break, nobody gets the 270. And that means it will go to

00:45:27.600 the US House of Representatives. And then it gets really fun where the House of Representatives

00:45:31.860 decides the president, but each state gets one vote. So each state votes as a delegation.

00:45:38.060 So Wyoming gets the same vote as California.

00:45:40.200 And in the current composition, Republicans have a two-seat edge in that way. What would they call

00:45:50.140 that? They would say that was a constitutional crisis is what they would call it. But in some

00:45:54.160 ways, Megan, this is inevitable. It's inevitable because you have a president who is incredibly

00:45:59.540 radical, who doesn't care about the needs, wants, and interests, has been doing stuff so out of the

00:46:03.840 mainstream of the country. And you think about it, everything in our country is highly customized.

00:46:08.580 How you order your food, how you watch your Netflix, and people are now demanding that same

00:46:13.200 sort of customization in their politics, right? We're like, well, maybe I'm more like RFK or Jill

00:46:17.880 Stein, and they don't want to have to fit into a two-party model. And the question is, who does

00:46:22.440 that benefit the most? I believe that it helps Donald Trump. His base is immovable. And especially

00:46:29.180 in the states that matter, I think that it could be a defining aspect to his victory.

00:46:34.260 Just a little color. That was fascinating analysis on the RFK factor. They, at least according to this

00:46:40.760 Bloomberg poll, right now he's pulling near equal support away from Biden and Trump. About 8% of

00:46:46.740 voters he's taking from, I think, Trump and 7% of Biden, or vice versa. And in any event, right now,

00:46:54.720 he's pulling equally from both. We'll see. We'll see. Because no one's really taking him seriously or

00:46:58.540 taking serious shots at him. Charlie Kirk stays with us. So much more to get to.

00:47:04.260 So, Charlie, I wanted to go over a couple of things that we were just talking about, which is

00:47:13.220 the losses the other night and what's to blame for them and whether, you know, ignoring some of the

00:47:20.360 culture issues of the GOP debate. There is a think piece, I think I think it's in today's New York

00:47:26.580 Times by Jamel Bowie. This guy's, you know, he's one of those radical woke leftists. And he writes,

00:47:35.100 the GOP's culture war shtick is wearing thin with voters. Of course, this was inevitable. He writes,

00:47:41.140 if the results of Tuesday's elections in Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio tell us anything, it's that this

00:47:45.440 post-Roe form of culture warring is an abject failure, an approach that repels and alienates voters

00:47:52.060 far more than it appeals to or persuades them. Goes on to say one of the state Senate candidates

00:47:59.160 that Youngkin endorsed in Virginia wanted to revisit a failed bill that would have required

00:48:04.560 schools to notify parents if there was any hint a child was interested in transgender identity.

00:48:09.660 The horror, Charlie, the horror. Segura lost his race and Youngkin and his fellow Republicans failed

00:48:15.560 to either flip the state Senate or hold on to the House. Then he talks about Ohio. Some Ohio Republicans

00:48:20.800 also tried to turn their fight against a reproductive rights initiative. That's the pro-abortion thing

00:48:26.020 into a battle over transgender rights, falsely stating that the wording of the amendment would

00:48:29.980 allow minors to obtain gender affirming surgeries. Okay, that's not what they are without parental

00:48:35.780 consent. On Tuesday, Ohio's voters backed the initiative in spite of that messaging, 56 to 43 percent.

00:48:43.480 And then he closes with, ironically, given the Republican Party's strategic decision to link the

00:48:49.660 two, you know, trans and abortion, there is the chance that when fused together with support for

00:48:55.960 abortion rights, vocal opposition to the rights of transgender people becomes a clear signal for

00:49:00.900 extremist views. The vibe is off, one might say, and voters have responded accordingly. So he has

00:49:07.560 turned everything that happened on Tuesday into a rejection of, quote, culture war issues involving

00:49:12.900 surgeries in which are chopping minor children's body parts off, which he thinks that the opposition

00:49:19.540 to that is a problem. Yeah, I think we have to look at this honestly. I think you're hitting it

00:49:25.800 perfectly, Megan. Some of the culture war issues are major winners and some we have to really do work

00:49:30.720 on. Now, I'm 100 percent pro-life, but also we have to be honest that we've spent so much attention

00:49:35.140 in time in the last couple of decades trying to win the legal argument on abortion. We are not winning

00:49:39.940 the moral argument or doing a good enough job of messaging on that. And I could go into depth of how

00:49:44.660 I think we could do a much better job on that. And especially when it comes to these ballot

00:49:48.700 referendums, it's clear that the American people, at least from a 55 to 60 percent margin, they want some

00:49:56.780 form of access to abortion as an insurance policy or as a just in case last resort type measure.

00:50:04.700 And the enthusiasm plus the money and the infrastructure that Democrats are spending

00:50:09.720 around these issues and mobilizing especially young women and suburban women on these issues

00:50:14.680 are proving to be decisive. But Megan, I think a retreat from the culture war would be a massive

00:50:19.200 mistake, especially on the trans issue. The trans issue is a major winner. In fact, I think we have

00:50:25.060 the Democrats on defense on this issue, which is the very same people that might get very emotional

00:50:32.020 about, you know, the abortion issue. I think they actually, in some ways, would equally get as

00:50:37.400 emotional if you tell them that, like, for example, in California, that a bill died in the California

00:50:43.220 legislature saying that we were going, we just want to notify a parent if your kid is currently

00:50:48.160 taking, quote unquote, gender affirming care, aka chemical castration. So I look at this across the

00:50:53.620 landscape and I say, look, a lot of work to do on the abortion topic and issue especially going on

00:50:58.600 in 2024. How do we message about it? How do we handle it from a policy perspective? How do you

00:51:03.020 handle it federally versus state, sending it to the states, and also doing it in a compassionate

00:51:07.460 yet effective way as, you know, Republicans and conservatives, understanding that still about half

00:51:13.080 the country feels the way I do and has pro-life beliefs. But also, I'm not going to live under

00:51:16.760 any delusions of grandeur and say that these election results are necessarily promising for,

00:51:22.200 you know, legislative objectives in that way. But if we look at the 2024 election,

00:51:26.620 if the election is solely about abortion, if that's it, then I think Republicans are going to

00:51:31.900 lose. There are 50 or 60 other issues that I think voters are very worried about, border,

00:51:40.240 economic anxiety, inflation, deficit spending, you know, what's going on with wars, coupled with

00:51:46.760 many of the trans stuff, parents' rights, education, school choice, crime, I could keep on going.

00:51:50.980 And so, look, this is where the RNC really should play a leadership role, which is identifying we

00:51:58.120 have a messaging issue, identifying that we have a problem communicating to these voters, bringing

00:52:03.740 the different tribes together, figuring out how to get onto the same message. The Democrats are so

00:52:09.060 good on this, Megan. They bring in all their different people and they're, oh, it's a threat to

00:52:12.720 our democracy and threat to our democracy. They all say very similar stuff. There's no such,

00:52:16.940 there is no similar coordinated messaging program on our side whatsoever. It's just kind of all,

00:52:22.780 well, I read it on Twitter and now we're going to use it. It's actually miraculous at how

00:52:25.760 coordinated the American right becomes without any sort of central operating cohesion. The final

00:52:32.120 thing I'll say is this though, is that parents' rights, regardless of the spin of that, is a winning

00:52:37.220 issue. Parents' rights is a winning issue, especially with Hispanic voters. Hispanic and black voters

00:52:44.120 have high distrust of educational institutions that are trying to trans their kids, you know, from

00:52:50.400 boys to girls or girls to boys.

00:52:53.300 Okay. So this leads me to this amazing clip that you guys call to our attention and it's spectacular.

00:52:58.940 You talked over the past hour about sort of the factions within the Democratic Party and how

00:53:04.180 things are fracturing. And you just mentioned how there's a split, you know, Muslim men, they're not in,

00:53:08.920 Muslims in general, not into the trans thing, nor are Hispanics, nor are black men. I don't know that

00:53:15.260 black women are Android either, other than the super woke ones. I mean, I had black friends when

00:53:19.560 we were living in New York City who this was like their number one issue and they were actively working

00:53:22.820 to keep the shit out of the schools. This is, it was a hardcore no for them, the trans stuff. So in any

00:53:28.040 event, you're seeing that, that come to fruition a bit on the streets as these pro-Palestinian

00:53:33.800 protesters, like who are Antifa-ish in some cases, are now finding themselves, I'm sorry,

00:53:41.760 the pro-Palestinian protesters out there finding themselves with the pro-trans Antifa-like people,

00:53:47.380 they call them trans-Tifa, that are out there who are the most rabid protesters that exist.

00:53:52.580 And this clip is absolute gold. Where did it happen, you guys? Do we know where this was from?

00:53:58.940 It was in London. It was this Billboard Chris, I think it is. Yeah, this is in London.

00:54:04.140 Okay, so Billboard Chris is like a servant to humanity. This guy is amazing. He goes out there

00:54:08.880 with his billboards, calling attention to what's being done to children. And just a point on Charlie's

00:54:14.420 comment about chemical castration. If you don't believe him, go look up what the Mayo Clinic says

00:54:18.880 happens to your kid if you put him on puberty blockers and then move him

00:54:22.320 exactly to cross-gender hormones. Go look up what the Mayo Clinic says on it.

00:54:27.160 They back Charlie Kirk up. Okay, so just stop with the censorship and the judgment.

00:54:32.360 So Billboard Chris goes out there trying to call attention to this problem,

00:54:35.560 as outlined by the Mayo Clinic and others. And he gets attacked, but he does it. He goes,

00:54:40.280 it doesn't matter. He doesn't. He takes all the barbs and arrows. And in this particular instance,

00:54:46.060 he was in the middle of some pro-Palestinian protesters. But then in comes what I think is trans-Tifa.

00:54:52.320 And watch. Watch the gold that ensues.

00:54:56.480 This guy is trying to propagate anti-LGBTQ propaganda. He's trying to tell children

00:55:06.420 that they are not allowed to be trans. Yeah, they're not. Yeah, they're not. They're not.

00:55:09.520 Suck your mum, bro. No, no, no, no, no. You're a black male politician is a man, my bro.

00:55:13.580 You can't do that. So we don't agree with your faith. Thank you.

00:55:19.580 Okay, so for the listening audience, what happened there is this guy wearing the mask and the hoodie,

00:55:49.560 and all black? I don't know if he's part of Antifa or what, but he's dressed like those trans-Tifa

00:55:54.500 protesters do. And he goes out there and he gets in Billboard Chris's face. He's upset because

00:55:59.700 Billboard Chris is calling attention to the issue. And he tries to recruit these pro-Palestinian

00:56:03.600 protesters who've got like the scarf on that we see and all these things. And he's like,

00:56:07.920 he is drawing negative attention to the trans community. And they're like, right on,

00:56:12.660 Billboard Chris. That's right. Team Billboard.

00:56:16.120 Well, first, just a quick takeaway on Billboard Chris. What a great example of how one man

00:56:23.100 can make a big impact. He just decided to show up and do the work, 2,500 hours of activism.

00:56:31.360 And he has changed millions of minds and inspired hundreds of thousands of people. I think it's so

00:56:37.080 inspiring and encouraging. Everyone in the audience, you could be like Billboard Chris.

00:56:41.600 You know, he doesn't, he self-describes himself as not having any sort of special talent. I think

00:56:46.380 his superpower is his courage and his grit. I think that is a superpower. And, but he says, look,

00:56:51.380 I'm just a normal guy. And the West will be saved by normal guys, like guys and gals,

00:56:56.940 like Billboard Chris. So I just want to just brag on him. We had him on our podcast. He was amazing.

00:57:01.700 I was blown away by his attitude and his humility and his servant type discipline. Okay. So,

00:57:08.740 so Billboard Chris goes there and you see really exposed there, Megan, something that everyone,

00:57:12.340 I think needs to be made aware of, which is intersectionality. I happen to be really well

00:57:17.240 versed in this because I fight it every single day on college campuses and on its surface, it's

00:57:21.100 comical, right? But below the surface, it's horrifying, which of course I just, I can't get over it.

00:57:26.000 I was at UCLA and they have, you know, the 1300 people from the river to the sea, Palestine will

00:57:30.200 be free. They're protesting outside and I'm just watching. And then you have these people draped

00:57:33.280 in the gay flag and the trans flag with the Palestinian flag from the river to the sea,

00:57:38.180 Palestine will be free. And, you know, it says queers for Palestine. And I, I'm like, do you guys

00:57:44.080 talk ever? Do you guys compare notes like on worldview? You know, just how, how, how do they treat the,

00:57:50.400 the gay community in, uh, in Gaza. And again, that, that, that's the, that's the simple take

00:57:57.220 and that's important to expose. And that video shows it because they start fighting. It shows,

00:58:01.320 by the way, how fragile their coalition is. It shows the fault lines. And I can be honest,

00:58:09.020 the right, we have a lot of problems. We're constantly debating our fault lines. We know

00:58:12.980 where everyone's stand. That person's a neocon and that person is that it shows that we are the

00:58:17.760 true ambassadors of free speech on our side. Cause we're constantly arguing with one another.

00:58:21.360 They're right there. Like, well, what do you mean? We don't believe in this. And so what it goes to

00:58:24.780 this is that intersectionality is the combination of different forces, different viewpoints,

00:58:31.600 different religions that all might be identified as oppressed against a bigger oppressor. Kimberly

00:58:37.960 Crenshaw was the author of intersectionality where you get groups that otherwise might have

00:58:43.120 stated contradictions to work in harmony with one another, to thwart, to challenge, to oppose,

00:58:51.700 or to try to destroy a bigger or greater evil. And the Palestine Israel issue is exposing this

00:58:58.020 where you see many of these groups that otherwise would hate one another. As you see demonstrated in

00:59:03.320 that video, working together in tandem to oppose America, to oppose Israel. And we can go through the

00:59:10.100 whole gauntlet. This is exactly why the socialist group was the first group, Megan, to host a Hamas

00:59:16.400 sympathizing rally, not on October 8th, the day after the attacks in Israel, a socialist group.

00:59:24.180 What is a group that ostensibly is about workers' rights and unionization and, you know, one, two,

00:59:30.120 three, F the bourgeoisie and all about kind of Marxist liberation of the, you know, the world working

00:59:35.340 class and the workers of the world unite. Why are they the first group to host radical Muslims on

00:59:41.960 the streets of New York saying some of those vile stuff that we still have documented in the last

00:59:46.260 month, Megan? What is that all about? Why is that Black Lives Matter Chicago global network? They've

00:59:51.860 deleted the post, but why were they quick to post a paraglider? What does Black Lives Matter, that is

00:59:58.400 all about black liberation and police brutality and criminal justice reform, what do they have to do with,

01:00:04.360 you know, a struggle happening 5,000 miles away? It's because in intersectionality, one struggle is

01:00:10.880 all of their struggles. Their identity is going after the big Satan, the big oppressor, and they

01:00:18.220 label that as colonialist Western civilization rooted in white supremacy, and they're willing to then

01:00:25.100 combine forces under the guise of social justice liberation. Where we need to expose, what we need to do

01:00:33.300 is more videos like that, is show that their army is built with warring tribes that temporarily have

01:00:40.760 a detente to oppose us, when in reality, they hate each other. The trans Tifa and the Muslim groups,

01:00:49.200 if they spoke for one minute, their coalition would completely fall apart.

01:00:53.000 Yeah, that's all it took. Like you said, have you guys talked to each other? Because

01:00:56.040 it didn't even require somebody to say, have you seen his black nail polish? It's a dude,

01:01:00.360 and he's got that. And she was like, all over it. Like it's a no, no, there will be no coalition

01:01:05.880 team billboard. It was pretty spectacular. All right. You, you mentioned sort of BLM

01:01:12.180 and how this, a lot of this stuff got started. BLM was around, of course, before George Floyd.

01:01:17.300 And one of the cases that really brought it into existence several years ago, I was on Fox primetime

01:01:22.700 at the time was Freddie Gray in Baltimore. Now bear with me on this. You don't know where I'm going,

01:01:28.720 but I'm going to walk you through it. Freddie Gray was this guy who allegedly was given a rough ride

01:01:33.460 by these Baltimore police officers. And he ultimately died. He was a black suspect who

01:01:38.580 they said they threw him in the back of this police van rode around wildly while he was handcuffed. And

01:01:44.100 he was allegedly shook from side to side of the, of the police van and died. And, um, the,

01:01:51.360 the DA at the time in Baltimore was a woman named Marilyn Mosby. I don't know if you remember this,

01:01:57.900 because I know you're so young. I always feel like when I referenced back to the mid teens,

01:02:02.060 you were probably in like high school. Um, but just Marilyn Mosby. Yeah. She, she made national

01:02:08.020 news because it was a powder keg. You know, this guy, Freddie Gray had died. His homeless guy is a

01:02:13.200 drug addict. He has all sorts of problems with the police. And they were saying these white cops,

01:02:18.140 you know, killed him. They put him in the back of this van and they killed him,

01:02:21.600 except it all fell apart. Uh, there were all sorts of witnesses to say that that's a lie. It didn't

01:02:26.920 happen, whatever, but she would not listen. And she allowed the protests in Baltimore,

01:02:31.240 which set things on fire. And the whole country was watching this. Like, are you, you're, it was

01:02:35.600 the beginning of the erosion of the rule of law, right? Like you're the DA prosecute the people who

01:02:42.400 are, they're setting off Molotov cocktails and throwing them at cop cars. What are you doing?

01:02:46.420 She allowed it. And, and she made it as so many of these intersectionality people do

01:02:51.460 about her and her people in one of my favorite clips of all my news career. Here's Marilyn Mosby

01:02:58.900 in SOT 16. To the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment.

01:03:07.780 This is your moment. And as young people, our time is now.

01:03:12.700 This is a moment. This is your, no, it's not. It's about one man and six police officers and what

01:03:22.600 happened in the back of that van. So she was completely motivated by all these forces that

01:03:26.140 you and I are just discussing. Well, Marilyn Mosby did go after those six cops and they all

01:03:31.420 either wound up acquitted or with hung juries. And then of course the feds came in to try to cause

01:03:36.360 trouble for them too. But she railroaded those guys. They didn't, they did not kill anyone.

01:03:41.940 That's not what the jury's found. She wouldn't let it go. She wouldn't let it go. So what happened

01:03:46.600 to Marilyn Mosby? Something interesting. Um, she has now been convicted on two counts of perjury

01:03:54.600 by a federal jury. Oh, Marilyn, your moment. It's not going. Is this your moment? Is this your time?

01:04:01.000 Is this, I do think this is our moment. Um, the federal jury reached a verdict on Thursday,

01:04:08.820 finding her guilty of perjury after she, after she falsely claimed financial hardship during the

01:04:13.220 COVID-19 pandemic in order to withdraw money from the city's retirement fund. Now this had come up

01:04:18.720 earlier. She'd been accused of this when she was running for reelection. And one of the constituents

01:04:24.900 in Baltimore was like, Hey, you did a bunch of shit. You took money out. You claimed financial

01:04:28.840 hardship when you were making $250,000 a year to get money, to go get two houses, two extra houses

01:04:34.240 for yourself. Why should we vote for you? And listen to her once again, playing the victim,

01:04:40.140 playing one of the intersectionality cards. Cause she's a black woman. Listen here in SOT 17.

01:04:46.480 I'm concerned right now, given the optics of your situation, how any person in Baltimore can feel

01:04:53.180 comfortable with a state's attorney who spends time in Florida, flaunting a annual salary of $250,000

01:05:02.500 and then decides to do what many people in our city can't do, take money out of their pension funds so

01:05:09.620 they can flip houses. I think that I'm being racially and politically and personally, they're being

01:05:15.860 attacked. It was the race. That's why that constituent attacked her. Well, a federal court

01:05:23.380 disagrees. And now she is convicted two counts of perjury and faces two more counts of making false

01:05:30.380 mortgage applications in a pending federal case related to the purchase of those two Florida vacation

01:05:36.140 homes. I'm sorry, but it's totally delicious. I love the whole story. She was hoisted on her own

01:05:44.800 petard and her attempts to claim my race did not work. And the law in the end one here, both in the

01:05:54.980 case of those cops, in those trials she brought, and in the case of the trial brought against her.

01:06:01.820 The, I remember the story when it was happening and I remember it was after Ferguson, if I remember

01:06:06.220 correctly. And it was, it was another chapter in kind of the BLM brewing of America. Now what we saw

01:06:12.840 with Floyd Apalooza was kind of workshopped, you know, in with hands up, don't shoot Michael Brown.

01:06:18.340 And what, what, what is the through line of so many of these things, Megan, is that

01:06:22.020 the truth was, came so much later. Remember that CNN panel with all those people and they had the

01:06:28.840 hands up. Remember, do you remember that famous image where all five of them had the hand, it never

01:06:32.480 happened. He never had the hands up, don't shoot. And that was obviously in Missouri. Look, the,

01:06:37.560 this doesn't shock me and it's a tragedy because the people of Baltimore deserve better than this.

01:06:41.140 Baltimore is honestly one of America's saddest cities. It is, they cannot find a kid that can

01:06:46.120 read at grade level in Baltimore. The crime is through the roof. Literally, they cannot find a

01:06:50.800 kid in fifth or sixth grade in all the public schools in Baltimore that can read at grade level.

01:06:54.880 And go figure that the actual person in charge of enforcing crime, she, she herself is a criminal,

01:07:01.960 but of course it's the race card. And instead of taking responsibility for your own actions,

01:07:05.480 she wants to play the victim. There's another clip making the rounds today, which is also perfect

01:07:11.540 along these lines. I'm sure you've seen it, but this woman gets pulled over by the cops and it's

01:07:17.380 like, you couldn't find a more polite, nice police officer. I mean, he's just like officer friendly.

01:07:22.040 He pulls her over because it looked like she was drunk driving, I guess. And she tries to play

01:07:28.540 every victim card in the book. And the cop is just like a model of professionalism.

01:07:36.660 We almost never, I always tell my team, don't, don't cut soundbites that are more than a minute

01:07:40.260 long. Like it's too long for television or, um, on screen. It's just my experience.

01:07:45.020 Audiences don't like it. This one's two minutes. We're going to play every second. It's worth it.

01:07:50.180 Watch and listen.

01:07:51.000 I have like really bad social anxiety and stuff. I get you.

01:07:59.160 Right back here, please. Miss Perry? Am I? I'm non-binary, so. Okay. What do you go by?

01:08:09.220 Kai. How can I refer to you tonight? Kai? Okay. Hey, I'm smelling alcohol. I know. How much have you

01:08:14.840 consumed tonight? Like probably three drinks. I need to run you through some tests right now. Stand facing

01:08:19.240 me, please. But I just want you to know that I also have very bad social anxiety.

01:08:23.560 You and me both. Okay. Okay. Any recent head trauma, traumatic brain injuries, anything I

01:08:30.160 need to know about? Uh, mental, yes. Focus on my finger, please. I am. You're just like trying

01:08:38.280 to intimidate me. I don't know how I'm trying to do that. This is the test. As you know, as an

01:08:43.300 indigenous person and there's a bunch of going around, I'm sorry, but it's just for me to

01:08:49.940 be on my toes. I'll get you. Can you remember that I told you that? I'm non-binary. Yeah,

01:08:58.040 I'll try my hardest. I'll refer to you as Kai, right? Yes. Perfect. I need to know if you

01:09:02.600 have any injuries or anything that would prevent you from doing a standard walk or a turn tonight.

01:09:06.700 Mental health. Um. Any physical injuries? Mentally, yeah.

01:09:12.020 Can you not call me man, please? I'm trying my hardest. Okay. Okay. It means a lot to me. I'm

01:09:19.780 trying my hardest. I don't feel like a man, so. Okay. It's kind of triggering. Right foot in front

01:09:24.800 of your left. Nope. Go back. I'm sorry, but the whole man thing, just like. I apologize. Let's

01:09:31.700 see if we can move forward from it. Yeah. I just want to tell you that I suffer from really

01:09:35.760 bad anxiety, especially with generational trauma and PTSD around white people and hot sleep.

01:09:48.640 It's just. You're going to get a. I don't. Don't resist.

01:09:53.000 That is unbelievable. Thank you, God. Wonderful clip.

01:10:01.240 I had to write it down. So Megan, I got she's non-binary indigenous. Did you get she got anxiety?

01:10:06.980 Did you hear that? She only said that six times. Mental health, PTSD, white people,

01:10:13.320 and my favorite generational trauma that it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just in,

01:10:21.860 it's in the DNA. It just, I, I, there's nothing I could do about it. And what I love is God bless

01:10:26.720 this officer is that he was just like, all right, I'm trying my best. Okay. Thank you. Trying my best.

01:10:32.120 I, this is going to sound a little wild for some of your audience. That behavior is trained on college

01:10:38.940 campuses. That behavior that that is. No, it is, which is, it's not your fault. It's find some

01:10:47.420 sort of excuse, some sort of identity, some sort of badge. She there. Is it a sheer? I can't,

01:10:54.620 I couldn't get straight. Is it actually a man or is it a woman? Won't I, it's a, it's, it looks to be

01:10:59.380 very clearly like a white woman who's claiming to be not a woman and not white, but what indigenous.

01:11:04.440 What are you Irish? Like, I mean, give me a break. It's just like, it's just, I, I, this whole,

01:11:09.460 right. Yeah, exactly. Which is that, that it is the, one of the most unbelievably powerful videos

01:11:15.960 I've seen of the oppression Olympics on display, which is, I don't get special points. It was every

01:11:21.240 single box, right? It was. And by the way, we can laugh at it, but how is that video any different

01:11:28.420 than how we do our college admissions, Megan? How is that video any different? Oh my God,

01:11:33.260 that's a great point. How is that any different? Because if you, if you write an essay to get

01:11:39.680 into Stanford and I'm indigenous and I'm non-binary, I suffer from generational trauma,

01:11:43.720 mental health, PTSD, and I don't like white people. The Dean of Stanford would say,

01:11:48.560 congratulations, you get a full ride. We'd love to have you.

01:11:52.780 No, I can't wait. She's, she's, she's going to get up there and say, I identify as sober.

01:11:57.040 Well, he just misunderstood that. It's like, she actually tried to blame her failure of the

01:12:02.580 sobriety. Of course, you know, one foot on the fact that he had called her ma'am,

01:12:07.200 you know, it's just the ma'am thing. It was very, very triggering. Good luck. She's going to try to

01:12:11.860 raise that at trial. I'm sure. We, we laugh about this, but if you read the critical theory literature,

01:12:18.360 this is where the legal system will end up where, I mean, think about it. We have, we have prosecutors

01:12:24.520 that say we need to allow people of color out and accommodate them. The next step is going to be,

01:12:30.940 well, if you're suffering from non-binary, indigenous anxiety, mental health, PTSD,

01:12:36.200 what hatred of white people, generational trauma, we'll give you a pass.

01:12:41.340 The generational trauma is the best. It's just like,

01:12:44.800 no, that's the kicker. At that point, it's, I've thrown everything at, and I said, what else do I

01:12:50.060 got? I'm, I'm, I'm a two spirit. I was waiting for that one. I'm a, I'm a two spirit.

01:12:57.400 Evergreen college. That's what they were yelling at. Brett Weinstein. We come from slaves. They too

01:13:02.740 wanted the generational trauma thing because of what happened a couple hundred years ago. It's a no,

01:13:09.040 I love it all. They're exposing themselves bit by bit. And what's happening on the college campuses

01:13:13.240 couldn't, you know, you're exactly right. We have an update on that. Some of the poster nonsense.

01:13:17.740 I'll take a quick break. Come back with that. Loving the discussion today with Charlie Kirk,

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01:14:27.160 Today, yet another case of when people show you who they are, believe them. That was a Maya Angelou

01:14:32.660 quote. Meet one of the latest members of the hostage poster. Take down hall of shame. Stop

01:14:38.060 anti-Semitism. Great, great account to follow on X posted this clip of a young blonde woman

01:14:43.880 giggling as she tore down poster after poster of the victims of those Hamas kidnappings. Watch.

01:14:52.020 Why are you taking those down? Why are you laughing? That's just because that's not funny.

01:15:07.680 It's not a genocide. They're kidnapped individuals.

01:15:10.920 Hmm. So funny. So cute. As is so often the case, that lovely lady has now been identified.

01:15:22.440 According to Stop Anti-Semitism, her name is Rachel Burney. And of course, Rachel is currently in a PhD

01:15:29.660 program at the University of Southern California and is a teaching assistant in the physics department

01:15:36.120 as well. Good luck to the Jewish students under Rachel. She apparently played soccer at Wesleyan

01:15:42.400 College in Connecticut. There's her team picture still smiling there. 2021 roster picture showing

01:15:48.440 her. Rachel's originally from Redmond, Washington, Washington state. That is starting to make sense.

01:15:54.100 And there are unconfirmed reports that she may actually be the daughter of a very prominent

01:15:58.540 politician there. Of course, if it is the same Bernie, uh, her mother was just reelected

01:16:05.900 mayor of Redmond, Washington, uh, ran for reelection this week. I'm going to guess she's

01:16:11.320 a Democrat. Yeah. She's a Democrat. Uh, Charlie Kirk. Nice. So the physics TA and getting her PhD

01:16:18.760 at USC in science and math. Um, she thinks it's hilarious. All those kidnapped babies and their

01:16:25.440 suffering. Such a fun laugh. I mean, these are sick people. The first of all, you know, some people

01:16:32.640 say, Oh, why are you outing these kids? She's getting a PhD. This is not a kid. This is someone

01:16:37.280 who's, who's thinking about writing a dissertation. Okay. This is someone who's going to be in charge

01:16:42.840 of instruction. Okay. And this, this person desires to be publicized and any decent, uh, you know,

01:16:49.800 board that would then read a PhD, like, sorry, we're not going to grant you a PhD. Uh, you're kind

01:16:53.900 of similar to a Nazi to be perfectly honest. And here's what drives me nuts, Megan. This is one of the

01:16:59.000 tragedies of the left. There there's a lot. I have a list is the dilution of language.

01:17:06.900 And for example, after January six, everyone became a terrorist recently. If you dare, you say

01:17:15.460 anything in the last couple of years, you're a Nazi, you're a bigot. What happens when we need to use

01:17:20.300 those words, Megan? Well, they don't mean anything. So now we say, Oh, you're a terrorist sympathize.

01:17:25.640 People say, eh, the left has cheapened language so significantly. So now when I say that, you know,

01:17:32.600 you're tearing down posters that are of Israeli hostage people that are hostages that are Jews,

01:17:40.000 and you're just tearing them down. What exactly do you think you're doing? Getting a good,

01:17:42.660 getting a good chuckle out of that. No, these are people that morally are no different than we're

01:17:49.020 facilitating the trains, the Dachau. I know that might sound radical to some people,

01:17:53.300 but it is very similar type of behavior. No, I think it is. I think it is morally

01:17:58.060 right within the same ballpark. And so where does this come from? I mean, Jew hatred,

01:18:04.260 anti-Semitism, but she, this is what's so unbelievably important about this.

01:18:09.480 If you took Rachel Bernie at that very moment and you say, what are you doing here? She thinks

01:18:14.620 she's doing the right thing, Megan. She thinks she's doing the right thing.

01:18:18.600 Because this is why I want to, speaking of word delusion. Yes, but yes, exactly. But this is one

01:18:24.920 of my big takeaways. I think we way overemphasize this, even some conservatives at times. Intentions

01:18:30.180 don't matter. The action matters. She herself thinks she's doing something righteous when she's

01:18:37.120 doing something evil. I get this all the time in the trans debate. For example, Megan, a young man

01:18:42.160 came up to an event back in the spring. This clip has gone viral. It's been seen 50 million times.

01:18:45.880 He said, Charlie, I think you're giving Dylan Mulvaney or Thomas a bad thing. There's no

01:18:51.180 evidence that the intention is to cheat. And we need to be very clear. The intention doesn't matter.

01:18:56.240 The action itself is evil. And this, this Rachel Bernie, she thinks that she's a crusader for

01:19:02.720 righteousness. She thinks she's doing the right thing when in reality, you know, she, uh, she's

01:19:08.520 missing her SS uniform. She should really, speaking of uniforms, spend some more time thinking about

01:19:13.780 those shorts she was wearing. It was not a good choice, Rachel. You need a little bit more

01:19:18.000 attention on the fashion. You're allowed to say that. I'm not, I'm, I'm not saying that,

01:19:22.300 but I totally know you were thinking it. You were thinking the same as I was. And I don't care.

01:19:26.240 I want to mock her. She's disgusting to me. She deserves my scorn and yours as well. And so does

01:19:32.780 this woman. We don't have a lot of editorial on it, but I do want to show it in Brooklyn who looks to

01:19:36.520 be college age, who it's just a video. So if you're listening, go back and look at, she's look at,

01:19:41.460 she's angrily knifing the, the hostage poster. She's got the headscarf on. She's angrily like

01:19:46.200 cutting. It looks like a Jack the Ripper type slicing at the photos. She like the anger at the

01:19:53.000 kidnapped children at the little babies who right now don't have diapers or food or supplies or their

01:20:00.180 mothers. She's really pissed off. They might be dead to be honest. Yeah. They might be dead. Let's

01:20:04.820 just be honest. I mean, and by the way, there's 20 Americans, by the way, Megan, just the kind of a

01:20:08.700 buried lead here. How many Americans are still being held hostage? Joe Biden has played a big

01:20:14.180 game here. We might be having an Iran hostage crisis and no one is talking about this. I mean,

01:20:19.260 just, just so we're clear there, it's like one of them, it's one of the most obvious stories.

01:20:23.140 Like where is the regime media saying, Hey, can we get an answer of how many American passport

01:20:27.080 holders are still being held hostage and who are they? Yeah. Joe Biden's really pulled a fast one

01:20:31.420 on us on this one. So I think, I think we have to really kind of recalibrate our attention and put

01:20:35.500 some, cause he's trying to do everything he can to avoid a hostage type crisis. Anyway,

01:20:39.500 side note there, but yeah, that sort of rage, that sort of resentment is widespread. If you build

01:20:45.980 your worldview based on hating the other, which is the left, then you could drive yourself to

01:20:52.100 belligerently knifing a poster that says, you know, help find the missing Jewish children.

01:21:00.440 No, I mean, this is the, we are just beginning the descent into, into moral darkness. And if

01:21:07.900 there's all, if there's any positive of this, Megan, if there's any positive of this, I've seen

01:21:12.320 more Jewish Americans to their credit, wake up and realize that they have been swindled by the

01:21:17.900 Marxist than the left. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm pleased. I'm pleased to see that trend. The awakening

01:21:24.220 is wide open right now. COVID brought a lot of people away from the traditional kind of

01:21:31.200 institutional way of viewing health medicine and government. BLM opened a lot of people's eyes to

01:21:37.280 education and police and crime. We saw the trans thing open a lot of women's eyes to the nonsense

01:21:43.520 of empathy, compassion, and tolerance. And if this opens people's eyes, especially Jewish Americans who

01:21:49.680 tend to be on the left to realize that maybe their donations, their, what they've been subsidizing in

01:21:55.300 reality is underwriting and creating the next generation of mini Hitlers.

01:22:00.280 I want to get back to this issue with the pro-Palestinian protesters and what they're doing,

01:22:04.900 but just a quick aside, I pulled the headlines. I knew you'd be interested in this as I was on the

01:22:09.380 trans thing and what the radical left is doing and the language that you discussed, how they

01:22:14.300 manipulate it. Headline today from the Federalist Biden's HHS wants to nuke the definition of nuclear

01:22:20.080 family from its regulations. So there's a new rule that's been proposed just now by president Biden,

01:22:25.420 his department of HHS health and human services, seeking to quietly redefine family by ridding child

01:22:30.700 support regulations of biological terms like mother, father, and paternity. They want to replace

01:22:38.480 words describing female and male parents with gender neutral words like parentage, parentage. There's no

01:22:46.520 more mothering or fathering or mother or father. And they also want to get rid of his and her and replace

01:22:54.560 them uniformly with their just bit by bit. They take these things away. And to me, it gets me so angry the more I

01:23:01.840 read about it, because what's happened here, people need to remember this. What's happened here is

01:23:07.880 men, biological men who are not well, who are clearly having some sort of mental breakdown,

01:23:14.680 illness, struggle, pick your choice, have decided that they want to pose as women. They want to dress

01:23:22.020 as women. They want to have their body parts cut off and have fake women parts put all over them.

01:23:27.400 Then they want to take our womanhood and the terms that define it away from us. They want to get rid of

01:23:34.380 breastfeeding. They want to get rid of the term woman. They want to say you're you're a vagina

01:23:40.680 haver. I mean, they and we are allowing them in the name of tolerance. We are allowing them to erase

01:23:48.080 womanhood, these sick biological men. And and now you have the federal government, the Biden administration

01:23:57.080 going along with it. I realize these language changes are not the entire issue, Charlie.

01:24:03.580 But this issue of what they're doing to children, what they're doing to women is a huge issue.

01:24:07.700 And it's why the other day after the big losses on Tuesday, I was saying, look, even if you're as

01:24:14.260 pro-life as they come, you know, Lila Rose, she's the most pro-life person I know. And I love and

01:24:18.180 respect what she does. But we need to win elections. There are a lot of deeply important to more than

01:24:27.420 half the country. I'm sorry, but full bans on abortion are going to have to wait. The public's

01:24:33.100 not there. And we're having an invasion at the southern border. I really think that's a fair

01:24:37.100 term at this point. And we're mutilating children. YouTube, that's my word. Go ahead and cut it out if

01:24:43.920 you don't like it. And yet we're losing all these elections because we're singularly focused on this

01:24:48.420 one thing. In any event, I just wanted to raise that with you because I know you're as upset about

01:24:52.480 the language and the erosion by the federal government as I am. Yes. Well, first of all,

01:24:56.580 I just want to say I'm I'm equally as passionate about life as Lila Rose. I'm a monthly donor to the

01:25:02.740 organization. I am a little bit of a contrarian voice that if you don't win, you get none of your

01:25:08.580 pro-life objectives. And there are other issues that are life issues as well. And my argument,

01:25:14.700 I got in a little bit of a texting debate. It was mutual. It was great. It was a person who's a

01:25:19.180 pro-life leader. And he says, Charlie, we should never back away from the pro-life issue. I said,

01:25:22.960 hear me out. I said, the trans issue is a pro-life issue. I said, you're chopping kids. Just hear me

01:25:27.880 out. You are chopping off kids parts off at 12 years old. You know, we as pro-life advocates believe

01:25:33.560 that, you know, if you terminate someone eight months in the womb, that that is immoral and

01:25:37.660 wrong, but it's also wrong to chop off a 12 year old's parts and not tell the parent. And that

01:25:43.440 issue is right now a winning motivational issue that is around this kind of culture of life that

01:25:51.000 I think we, we want to protect. It is a culture of death. And you know, this Megan to say to a 14

01:25:55.980 year old, to give them a false promise, we're going to stop puberty, put you under multiple hours

01:26:00.840 of surgery that you could somehow become the thing that you're not. And you might have regret

01:26:05.060 one day and there's no reversing it. This is medieval torture and the medical equivalent of

01:26:11.100 lobotomies. And we're supposed to say that this is, you know, gender affirming care. And one of the

01:26:17.480 things that has animated in the last couple of days is that there's a lot of people say, oh, you know,

01:26:21.520 young women are voting Democrat in major numbers. And there is some truth to that. We see it on

01:26:25.340 campuses. Young men are actually becoming far more right wing than ever before. And they had this

01:26:29.280 Virginia ad that's super cringe, but apparently it worked of, you know, very pink and Barbie and

01:26:34.700 young ladies. Look at what you made me do with the Taylor Swift song and, you know, very kind of

01:26:38.900 feminist rights. And, you know, this whole thing, I know you saw the ad or not, Megan, it was kind

01:26:42.420 of cringe, but apparently it worked in millions of dollars. Yeah. You, you would, I'd love your

01:26:46.580 analysis on it offline. And so, but it's like, okay, got it, you know, vote for Democrat, vote for

01:26:51.900 your abortions. But, and I guess this is just, I'm never going to get what we want here. Is there a

01:26:58.260 whisper just like a little bit of a crumb of all this feminist girl boss, Barbie energy towards,

01:27:05.540 I don't know, making sure womanhood continues to exist. And I just, I feel as if I've, I know that

01:27:13.140 this is kind of a cliche thing to say now, where are the feminists, where are they? But if the entire

01:27:18.300 political movement now is all about a singular issue that, you know, is woman's rights, isn't the

01:27:25.000 question that I don't know, Dylan Mulvaney calling himself a woman, a woman's rights issue. And

01:27:31.920 Megan, help me understand this because is it that women are more agreeable than men and they don't

01:27:37.240 want to fight on this issue? There's some amazing women fighting out such as yourself, but where is

01:27:42.040 the like revolution in the streets that this warrants? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not asking rhetorically.

01:27:47.140 I don't know. You know, look, part of what makes women absolutely beautiful is their emotionality,

01:27:53.380 their softness. They can be hard and they can be soft, but their softness that, that, you know,

01:27:57.160 comes in, in levels that are typically not in your average male. That's part of what makes us

01:28:03.680 attractive, I think, to men and to the world. And these predators prey on it. They, they take our

01:28:10.860 daughters at the high school before now and the college level and they prey on that natural empathy

01:28:17.460 and emotionality to try to say you're a bad person unless you support these, these people. And they

01:28:22.280 don't even tell the other story. They don't show the, the young girl in Massachusetts. She's just got

01:28:26.800 her face bashed in by the field hockey player. That's correct. Yes, that's right. Who is a boy.

01:28:31.140 And she's screaming and she's right. She's screaming. Yes. And the girls are horrified. The other girls are

01:28:36.440 deeply traumatized. You can see it. They don't show that clip. So they're taking advantage of

01:28:41.440 these women and then they're, they're pushing them out onto the streets. And so then they're

01:28:45.060 thinking, I'm just a bad person unless I support this guy and forgetting that it's a guy thinking,

01:28:49.780 okay, it looks like a woman. He wants me to call him a woman. What harm could it do? That's where I

01:28:53.160 used to be. I've said it before. And then finally, you just look around. If you just open your eyes,

01:28:56.840 you see the harm. And so you can be forgiven for your prior positions, but you can't be forgiven for not

01:29:01.260 opening your eyes now, right now, right now, the eyes must be open. Amen. Amen.

01:29:06.160 No, that makes a lot of sense. And I just, they are, they are weaponizing, let's say the best

01:29:12.620 intentions and the, the heart of compassion for young women to be indifferent towards the trans

01:29:19.140 issue. And it's, it's a moral tragedy. What we are, we are living through it. Megan, you deserve

01:29:24.440 great credit. You have opened up many people's eyes, including people in my immediate circle that

01:29:28.820 don't agree with me politically on this issue. I hope you know how, how persuasive and effective

01:29:32.760 you've been on it and you need to continue. You need to keep on doubling and tripling

01:29:36.020 down. There's very few people in public life that are willing to take the stands you've taken.

01:29:41.020 And it's, it's very important. Well, thank you for saying that. I would be remiss if I didn't

01:29:45.300 mention all the women who have influenced me. I mean, online, I found so many great mentors and

01:29:49.360 teachers, uh, from Carrie and Brit who come on here all the time to Kelly J Keen. There's just so

01:29:54.560 many, too many for me to mention here. So my apologies to them all, but I've had a lot of them on the show.

01:29:58.100 Helen Joyce is brilliant. Anyway. Um, thank you for that. So let me, let me flip back to,

01:30:03.780 um, Abigail Schreier. She started it all. Sorry. I'm now I am going to forget to name them. Um,

01:30:08.700 I want to get back to Palestinian, uh, Israeli conflicts because I've teased the story at the

01:30:12.600 top and I do want to get to what happened in the New York times. It it's kind of wonderful to see the

01:30:16.440 New York times getting eaten by its own. Isn't it like they're flipping out on the times because it,

01:30:20.960 it has not been honest on the trans issue, but it's done like a couple of mildly fair pieces.

01:30:27.900 So they had all this blowback and all these letters. And now with Israel, they're totally

01:30:32.300 pro Hamas at the New York times. They really are. I mean, just read their coverage, read their

01:30:35.220 headlines. They just hired a literal Hitler, Hitler lover that he actually posted Hitler. You are so

01:30:42.320 great. It wasn't ambiguous, Charlie. It was, I think literally those words. Yeah, no problem. Um,

01:30:48.880 but you know, it's not enough for these pro Palestinian pro Hamas marchers who decided to

01:30:55.040 take over the New York times lobby. Here's some video of them on the outside, uh, like inside the

01:30:59.940 building. I think, um, let's watch it. Okay. Yeah. So it's video where they're, they got inside.

01:31:10.080 Look at the number of people for the listening audience. There's out there at first they are

01:31:13.420 outside and then we'll show them inside, but they were, they're everywhere. I mean, there are thousands

01:31:16.580 they've, they've, they've spray painted IDF KKK on NYPD cop cars. Um, they've graffitied a lot,

01:31:26.920 a lot of cop cars and the area. And then they decide to go into the times building and try to

01:31:32.700 shame the New York times. Wait, what? I don't even know what she's saying because the only people who

01:31:51.800 were killed on October 7th were the Israelis and not some apartheid Israel. Um, what do you make of

01:31:59.540 it? Because now it back to your point of the lefty eating its own more evidence of it right here.

01:32:04.940 Yeah. First of all, they had a ceasefire on October 6th and they decided to end it. So tough.

01:32:12.440 Second point is that, I mean, I delight. Yeah, exactly. You declare war. You don't get to complain

01:32:17.960 that the person you declared war on is now beating you at war. Like we want to ceasefire. No, you're sad.

01:32:23.340 You're losing. And you guys declared war. Sorry. Tough luck. You killed 1,500 Jews. You targeted

01:32:29.200 civilians. You are still holding them hostage. You went to concerts, your own detailed military plans

01:32:35.200 that have been made public. And anybody skeptical can look at this. Go look through now the public

01:32:39.540 documents. This was not, let's go to the military base. That's not, let's not go after the tanks or

01:32:44.140 try to go after some sort of, you know, missile configuration system. They had detailed plans

01:32:49.380 to civilian corridors. The target, the aim, the objective, what they considered success

01:32:55.060 was the most Jewish blood to be spilled. And now all of a sudden they're protesting and they're

01:33:00.040 mobilizing all these insurgents in this country complaining, ceasefire now, ceasefire now. Well,

01:33:05.140 you guys had a ceasefire and you ended it. And now you're complaining that you're losing. Okay.

01:33:08.760 So as far as New York times, I delight in this. I love it. I hope that every single one of the

01:33:14.160 activist groups of the New York times has played footsie with that they have tried to defend,

01:33:17.840 by the way, BlackRock, same thing. BlackRock, their lobby is getting overrun. And we have said

01:33:22.700 that this is coming for quite some time. It just so happens that the energy, the fervor,

01:33:28.720 the intensity in like the Muslim community is like such at a fever pitch right now that it is exposing

01:33:34.720 these fault lines in the Democrat party. And this is one of many to come. The Democrat party is going

01:33:40.800 to have a civil war over, you know, the kind of oligarchy, kleptocracy, billionaires that are funding

01:33:46.560 the Democrat party, antitrust stuff. There are so many forced marriages and this is why they have

01:33:51.960 to keep their focus on Donald Trump, Megan. They can keep that coalition together as long as that

01:33:56.840 there's a boogeyman and there's an opposition that they can just say, oh, fascists, you know, together,

01:34:00.720 they're a threat to our democracy. But the New York times quote unquote paper of record, like you

01:34:05.540 can just imagine they'd say, but we've, we've covered you so beautifully. I thought we are on the

01:34:09.720 same team. It's, it's never enough. You will never appease these. I was going to say something

01:34:17.380 not so gentle people. These passionate protesters as ABCs. Yeah, I was going to, I was going to say

01:34:23.740 something else, but I've been so behaved. So I was going to just, you have, I feel like we both have

01:34:28.480 today. It's as always been such a pleasure, Charlie Kirk. Love, love, love talking to you. Thanks for being

01:34:33.220 here. Thank you, Megan. Have a great day. Thank you. You too. And thanks to all of you for joining us

01:34:37.660 all week. Have a great weekend on Monday. We have a constant and kiss in here. You remember him?

01:34:42.960 He's the co-host of trigger nometry and he's been all over this Israel thing. He's been so strong on

01:34:48.020 it. Um, you'll love hearing from him and looking forward to bringing you that interview in the

01:34:51.900 meantime, truly have a great weekend. Enjoy it. It's wonderful. It's fall. Hope you're going to smell

01:34:57.280 some fall leaves and walk through them and spend some good time with your family. Um, I'm actually

01:35:02.440 looking forward to a girl's weekend with two of my besties. I do not have time to be taking this

01:35:07.520 trip. I'm taking it anyway, a little self-nurturing. Um, I look forward to it every year. It's like

01:35:13.620 one of these days we're going to make a movie about it and we're going to call it same time

01:35:16.560 next year, just like that other movie about something like this. And I'll divulge all of

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 10, 2023

Charlie Kirk on How Jill Stein and Joe Manchin Could Hurt Biden in 2024, and Progressive Left Turning on Each Other ｜ Ep. 667

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