The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk on the Border ＂Invasion,＂ Key GOP Ground Game Strategies, and Fani Willis' Rough Road

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:17.400 It's been a busy week between former President Trump beating Nikki Haley in New Hampshire,

00:00:22.400 but Haley vowing to fight on and the border battle between Texas and the Biden administration

00:00:26.900 heating up. It's gone well beyond Texas now. Some 25 states are joining behind Texas in solidarity.

00:00:34.820 The former president, Donald Trump, is calling for them to send National Guard troops from each state

00:00:40.080 down to shore up the southern border because the Biden administration won't do it.

00:00:45.940 We'll get to all of that. Joining me today for the full show to discuss that and so much more is

00:00:50.900 Charlie Kirk, founder and CEO of Turning Point USA and host of The Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:59.240 Charlie, great to have you back. How are you?

00:01:01.040 Thank you. I'm doing great. Lots to talk about. It's quite a time to be alive.

00:01:05.300 Oh my gosh, what's happening down in Texas is crazy. So the numbers, I mean, they just keep growing.

00:01:09.980 25 Republican governors released a joint statement. They stand in support of Texas. Now you've got,

00:01:17.160 you know, Trump calling for them to send, as I said, National Guard troops of their own down there.

00:01:22.240 So far, the Biden administration has not sent down an order to tear down those wire, the wire fences.

00:01:29.800 But if they do, it's on and it's going to get really ugly. I mean, Texas is within its rights to

00:01:36.700 just put it right back up. But if they try to stop the feds from tearing it down and we get into some

00:01:43.060 sort of a confrontation, I mean, like, where does it where is this going? Yeah, I hope it doesn't

00:01:47.860 get into some sort of a, you know, constitutional crisis confrontation. I don't think that's where

00:01:51.540 we're going. I think Abbott read the decision like we all did. And the essence of the decision is that

00:01:56.800 the federal government should have supremacy over border control and border policy. There's some

00:02:03.380 major details there that are I think we're lacking. I don't like the decision, but it could have been far

00:02:08.300 worse. The court didn't say that Texas has no right to secure their own border. The court didn't say

00:02:13.960 that Texas has no business in securing the border. All the all the court said is that Texas basically

00:02:19.660 will allow the federal government to get rid of the razor wire. It was so specific to just razor wire

00:02:25.800 as well, which people need to understand. So Greg Abbott reads the decision. He puts out this really

00:02:30.560 beautiful letter where he says we have a moral and a constitutional and a traditional and a historical

00:02:36.040 right to self-defense against invasion. And this is an invasion, Megan, and we can dive into it

00:02:41.460 because I want your audience to make sure they understand the sophistication and the sinister

00:02:45.900 nature of what's happening on the southern border, which could only best be compared to the modern

00:02:51.020 equivalent of the North Atlantic slave trade. And I don't use that lightly. I'm not throwing that

00:02:55.660 around like a Frisbee, but there are hundreds of thousands of young women who have been trafficked into

00:03:01.520 this country into a new form of very sick slavery. So what Greg Abbott has said is, listen, we have a

00:03:07.220 right to defend ourselves. The federal government is not securing the border. In fact, they're doing

00:03:11.960 the opposite. They're doing expedited entry into the United States where you get cash, a cell phone,

00:03:17.360 and basically Border Patrol has become Expedia.com for the third world. They say, where would you like

00:03:23.140 to go? Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Seattle, New York, and they will book them a flight into the interior of the

00:03:29.280 United States. And they're doing this in harmony with NGOs, non-government organizations like Catholic

00:03:34.300 Charities, Amnesty International, and many others. So Greg Abbott says this is out of control. It's

00:03:38.900 ruining our communities, especially the border communities, and we need to do something about

00:03:42.180 it. So the federal government now has the green light from the Supreme Court to get rid of this razor

00:03:46.740 wire. But interestingly, Joe Biden hasn't yet deployed federal agents to go cut the razor wire. So Greg Abbott

00:03:53.740 has added more razor wire. It's being creative. It's certainly challenging the essence of the

00:04:00.440 decision. I mean, the spirit of the decision to an untrained eye is back off Texas. And Greg Abbott

00:04:06.060 says, well, that's not what it says. And Greg Abbott is a lawyer. He was a judge. He loves the law. So

00:04:12.060 he's not doing this lightly. He's exploiting the murkiness and the cloudiness of this decision

00:04:18.460 to play offense. And I love it, Megan. We would not have seen this in the last couple of years.

00:04:23.360 I have a theory as to why this is. The border is now the number one issue in the country

00:04:27.400 that transcends political lines. It transcends racial demographic lines. It transcends income

00:04:32.780 levels. People know what's happening on the southern border is an outrage. It's against our

00:04:36.700 customs and our laws and who we are as Americans. And Greg Abbott is really forcing the hand of the

00:04:42.060 federal government. And so my advice to him, I said this on our podcast, on our show, if the federal

00:04:46.140 government goes and wants to cut the razor wire, watch them do it, put it on camera. It would be a PR

00:04:51.480 loss for them. The agents will leave and put up more razor wire, rinse and repeat. That is perfectly

00:04:57.420 legal and constitutional based on what the Supreme Court decided this last week.

00:05:02.680 I agree. I've been watching this carefully because I really my hope is that Texas doesn't get to the

00:05:08.860 point where they have to openly defy the order. I mean, it's not really about them defying it. It's

00:05:14.400 about whether the feds will actively do something about the permission slip they've just been given

00:05:19.340 by the Supreme Court to go in there and pull it down. Texas really doesn't have to do or not do

00:05:24.520 anything under that order. I mean, they're not really being compelled by it. But if Abbott tries

00:05:32.600 to stop them from pulling down the border wire, you know, this wire, then he could be in trouble.

00:05:38.800 And we're getting a little closer to that. There's in my update today from my team,

00:05:44.100 per Fox 4 in Dallas, top Texas officials saying they will not comply with the deadline to allow

00:05:50.240 federal border agents access to a park along the Rio Grande, from which I think they would need

00:05:56.140 to enter the waters to actually cut down the wire. So I'm not sure exactly where that's going. And

00:06:02.000 saying something is not the same as doing something. So we've got our eyes on it. But either way,

00:06:08.800 if you zoom out, the bigger picture is, it feels a little civil worry, like 25 states saying to the

00:06:18.540 federal government, this is where we hold the line. It's a no, you will not allow this invasion to go

00:06:25.480 on any longer. We've had it with you. And if Biden, because he's under pressure from the left to try to

00:06:31.480 get these states in hand, right? And if he bows, like you said, sends agents down there to cut down

00:06:37.280 these fences and to take on the National Guard that's now being sent, not just from Texas,

00:06:41.440 Oklahoma, perhaps some of these other states will do it too. I don't think it could get just,

00:06:46.940 it's like a powder keg.

00:06:50.180 Yeah, I do trust Greg Abbott. I think he's a very responsible person. It's the other side that's

00:06:55.700 forcing this conflict, though. And I want to just reiterate, you know, having 25 red state governors

00:07:01.900 consolidate behind this issue, that's a real big statement. A lot of these governors are not exactly

00:07:07.760 full MAGA, right? Some of them are just chamber of commerce type of old generation Republican

00:07:13.680 governors that have come in and they're voicing support. I mean, take one, for example, who I

00:07:17.680 respect. I think he's done a great job on certain things. He's not as conservative as I am, is Glenn

00:07:22.720 Youngkin. And he says, we're all in. We're sending support for the border. And look, so Joe Biden is going

00:07:28.060 to try to exploit this, but they're losing on this issue, Megan. And so the only option that Joe Biden

00:07:33.000 has in front of him is further escalation. Escalation of saying that, you know, Texas is

00:07:38.200 trying to secede. Well, no, they're not. I mean, they're in the Texas Constitution, in the laws in

00:07:44.620 front of them, they have the ability to stop an invasion. And there is still a question of what the

00:07:49.120 Fifth Circuit is going to do, because they haven't completely and totally ruled on this. And the Supreme

00:07:54.000 Court can rule on that as well. But I think the left is trying. Yes, exactly. I think the left is

00:08:00.060 trying to play into this idea of secession or nullification, when in reality, Texas is saying,

00:08:05.180 well, nope, the law still allows us to do this. And I think we need to make the argument, though,

00:08:09.900 that this is the existential crisis that is hitting every community across the country. You could talk

00:08:15.560 about it from a fentanyl perspective. You could talk about it from a child labor perspective. You could

00:08:19.820 talk about it from a labor perspective or even what's happening in Chicago. I mean, an unreported

00:08:24.700 story in the last week is that Mayor Johnson of Chicago, I'm not a fan of his. He's been hospitalized

00:08:29.720 multiple times because of panic attacks because of all the people that are coming to Chicago and he can't

00:08:35.160 handle it. I mean, Eric Adams obviously has been outspoken. Oh, no, it's a it's a big story that he was

00:08:41.060 hospitalized a couple of times because of panic attacks in Chicago. I couldn't believe it. I had to

00:08:45.760 double check the story. And so this is this is hitting all across the country. People know it. They

00:08:50.580 see it. And this is an important thing, though, is that one of the reasons why this is so

00:08:55.660 grotesque. And I don't know if you saw this clip, Megan, of this guy from Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan with

00:09:00.300 this Middle Eastern accent. He was asked, hey, what's your name? And he said, everyone's going to soon know

00:09:04.460 my name. You're not smart enough to know who I am. Now, we suspect that this guy was the former leader of a

00:09:09.980 terrorist group. That's not confirmed. I want to be very clear. That's not confirmed. He looks

00:09:14.380 identical. OK, but he just got released out of prison. But the way he said it was, you know,

00:09:19.240 chilling to the spine where he says, oh, you're going to know who I am as if it's some sort of a

00:09:22.880 threat is that you might remember back a year, year and a half ago, Bill Malusian, who does a great

00:09:27.320 job. He had those famous images of tens of thousands of people under an overpass. Do you remember those

00:09:33.960 images and the drone shots? So the Biden administration hated those images. They thought it

00:09:38.480 made them look bad and they thought it was a crisis. And so they went to Border Patrol. They went to

00:09:42.900 the Department of Homeland Security. I got this information from Todd Bedsman, who's amazing.

00:09:47.260 And Border Patrol and DHS said, well, Mr. Biden and Mayorkas, the reason why there is a backlog

00:09:53.200 is because we're doing DNA testing and background checking. So, for example, a guy comes

00:09:58.600 from Kazakhstan. They call up the Kazakhstan embassy. Hey, we have this guy. Is there anything

00:10:04.860 we should know about it? And, you know, sometimes the Kazakhstan, it was like, oh, no, you don't want

00:10:08.360 that guy in your country. He just escaped our country for murder or whatever. And so the Biden

00:10:13.280 administration said, no more lines. Get him through as quickly as possible because it's bad

00:10:18.620 optics. So, Megan, not only do we have open borders, we're not even doing open borders in a sane or

00:10:24.640 rational way. We're not doing DNA testing where a 28 year old will show up with three girls that are

00:10:31.020 10, 11 and 12 years old and do a very quick swab DNA test, put it through the machine and say, oh,

00:10:36.660 they're not related. He's probably sex trafficking them. And I just hope everyone understands this is

00:10:41.160 one of the greatest, most horrific humanitarian crises when it comes to sex trafficking in the

00:10:46.760 history of the country. And, you know, the Democrats don't care. The left doesn't care.

00:10:50.600 And Joe Biden is co-sponsoring it. So I say all that, Megan, because I think Greg Abbott is morally

00:10:56.000 in the right position to play hardball here. We must understand that we don't want some constitutional

00:11:02.140 crisis. We don't want this to try to spark something. We don't want the bad guys to

00:11:06.500 exploit it in a way that will further divide the country. But it's Joe Biden that has sat and done

00:11:11.260 nothing for three years now. We must understand we have patiently waited for the federal government

00:11:16.620 to do its moral responsibility. And they just lie about it. Alejandro Mayorkas says, oh, no,

00:11:21.960 the border is completely secure. Everything is perfectly fine. They are outright lying and it's

00:11:26.760 impacting the entire country. And the fact that 25 governors are stepping up behind Greg Abbott,

00:11:31.900 I think is a great sign. And I think it's Joe Biden who's going to blink here because it means

00:11:36.620 that Joe Biden would have to either federalize the National Guard, which has not been done either.

00:11:40.940 And it's only done in times of crisis, hurricanes, widespread Watts riots that we saw in the early

00:11:46.600 90s or when Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the National Guard in Arkansas for desegregation of

00:11:53.240 schools. It's done very rarely. If Joe Biden does it, that is a huge escalation point.

00:11:57.700 And for Greg Abbott to be holding the line here, I think is inspiring courage on the issue of the

00:12:02.500 border. It's very promising. Yeah. I mean, I do and I don't want to see a constitutional crisis.

00:12:08.440 I would love to see a ruling from the high court saying, yes, when it's at this level,

00:12:15.460 affirming the state's ability to stop an invasion, notwithstanding all these federal statutes that have

00:12:20.420 been passed trying to seize control over immigration. There was a very interesting Andy McCarthy

00:12:24.700 podcast over on the National Review feed. And, you know, he he's not like some knee jerk Trump

00:12:31.000 defender or even Republican defender. He calls him like he sees him. And he's very much on Texas's

00:12:37.120 side here and really went back and walked through the history of immigration law was really saying,

00:12:42.800 you know, that the Fed started to legislate by statute with immigration. But then it got really

00:12:48.200 expanded when Elena Kagan was Barack Obama's solicitor general and was making these arguments

00:12:54.160 that really the administrative state state. Yeah, exactly. That the administrative state would

00:12:58.640 really expand those immigration powers. And then they've done nothing under the Democratic

00:13:03.620 presidents. They've done nothing but open the borders. So that's right. There is room to push back

00:13:07.960 for these states to say, actually, let's go back to the original intent, which was we would be

00:13:13.340 responsible for securing ourselves. We never wanted to cede control of this issue or our borders

00:13:18.840 to the feds. We wanted the feds to have as little power as possible. That's the only way you got us to

00:13:23.280 join this union. And let's let's have the argument that we haven't had in 200 plus years.

00:13:30.020 Yeah, I mean, in six million people have been put into the interior of this country illegally.

00:13:34.260 That is bad for everybody. It's bad for our sovereignty. It's bad for our traditions.

00:13:37.860 It's bad for us economically. Six million people that we know of. And that doesn't count the

00:13:42.160 getaways. That doesn't count the drugs. It doesn't count the guns. It doesn't count all the other

00:13:46.980 things that we know that's happening. And we must understand because the left, they don't like the

00:13:51.020 word invasion. But if you go down to Eagle Pass, if you go down to Yuma, like I have multiple times,

00:13:56.080 and you see the cartels, this is strategic. This is not just some sort of massive open up,

00:14:01.940 you know, the floodgates. And the one thing I push back at times is people say, well, it's complete

00:14:06.440 chaos on the border. Well, sort of. It's actually very methodical what the cartel is doing.

00:14:11.480 They know every single person that is going across. And the way it works is that if you come

00:14:16.960 from across the world, it's 10,000 bucks, you don't have the money, you go into the interior

00:14:20.720 of the United States and they will make sure they track you and you are repaying that. In fact, you

00:14:25.580 might repay a lot more than $10,000. That's slavery, by the way. They are trafficking human A

00:14:30.720 across the border into the United States. And they say you are going to remit to the cartel or

00:14:35.880 we're going to hurt your family. And this is a true story. Many of them, they'll have a

00:14:40.260 Honduran or a Nicaraguan and they'll call them right before they go in the interior and

00:14:44.600 they'll have on speakerphone their family they care about back in Honduras and they'll

00:14:47.860 say, you're going to repay the money or else something very well might happen. They hold

00:14:52.860 hostage the family back in the country of origin. And at times when the cartel really wants to

00:14:59.100 get people across the border that they're afraid very well might get flagged by Border Patrol

00:15:02.980 or DHS that just look unusual, they will throw babies into the Rio Grande River. This happens

00:15:08.280 on almost a daily basis. They'll throw a baby into the Rio Grande Valley. And what do the

00:15:11.980 Americans do? Because our value system is the best value system on the planet, our Border Patrol,

00:15:17.760 Texas DPS, will go and try to save the baby's life who's drowning to death in the Rio Grande

00:15:22.000 Valley. That creates a diversionary effect. So then a couple hundred yards down, all of a sudden

00:15:26.700 you'll see a hundred people run into the country. We have no idea who those people are.

00:15:29.640 So when we say the numbers, the gotaways, I mean, they could be sleeper cells. They could

00:15:34.580 be terrorist forces. This is going to go down as one of the greatest crises in American history.

00:15:41.520 And Joe Biden and Mayorkas want it. And I want to just repeat that. They want this to happen.

00:15:46.740 I know that is a very difficult truth for some people to swallow. I had this debate recently

00:15:51.520 with a Democrat friend and they say, Charlie, you trying to tell me that the American government

00:15:55.040 hates its citizens and they want to replace it with a bunch of third worlders? I said,

00:15:58.420 that's exactly what I'm saying. It's exactly. They have intentionally eroded the laws and customs

00:16:02.880 and don't take my word for it. Listen to Todd Bensman. Listen to Tom Homan, who, by the way,

00:16:07.580 served under six presidents. He's not a political guy. Tom Homan was head of Border Patrol, ICE,

00:16:13.160 Immigration Customs Enforcement. He knows the border better than any other person in the country.

00:16:17.240 He served under Obama. He served under Bush. He served under Clinton. He's a nonpolitical,

00:16:21.840 duty first, America first type guy. And he says he's never seen anything like this on the border.

00:16:26.680 This is an intentional opening up of the floodgates. And they're trying to remake the country and

00:16:31.760 destroy the United States from within. And for the own government to do that, there is a word for it.

00:16:37.060 It's called treason. And I'm glad Greg Abbott and other governors are stepping up to stop it,

00:16:41.040 which is the only option we have left at our disposal.

00:16:45.340 No, there is a real question about what the motivation is for a lot of these illegals crossing

00:16:51.020 that border. I'm sure some are just families looking for a better life. And there's a very

00:16:55.680 unhealthy proportion of them who actually mean to do us harm, whether it's through drugs like fentanyl

00:17:01.600 or some other means like possible terrorism. I mean, there are people on the terror watch list

00:17:05.840 who have been found after we let them skip across. We reported on the guy the other day,

00:17:10.420 the cartel member who got across. He'd been detained. He tried to get across 42 other times,

00:17:15.960 just one is a felony that should land you in jail for two years. 42 times he crossed over in the past

00:17:22.220 two years under Joe Biden. Cartel member. What do you think he's going to do over here? Get a job at

00:17:27.060 the Piggly Wiggly and work as a nice cashier? It's not happening. He's going to start a coffee shop.

00:17:31.460 Yes. So it's like the word invasion. Yes, it used to mean, you know, whatever, somebody from another

00:17:35.820 country coming in trying to like take over. Well, you could make that argument based on those facts

00:17:40.600 of what's happening to us. They mean to do us harm to kill our children. Why wouldn't we declare it that?

00:17:45.520 It's it took people a long time to get there. People did not say under Reagan, we gave amnesty

00:17:51.600 under George W. Bush. The border wasn't secure. It's been happening for a long time. It's not like

00:17:56.300 the Republicans first knee jerked instinct was to say invasion. It's taken a true crisis for us to

00:18:02.440 get to the point where Greg Abbott feels like he has to do this stuff. Yes. And if the federal

00:18:07.160 government was even somewhat doing its job, this would not be necessary. And, you know, for the people in

00:18:12.340 the audience that might be unpersuaded, I encourage you guys to look up what is called a rape tree.

00:18:16.340 I've seen it many times. You go down there. A rape tree is where the cartels take the 11, 12 and 13

00:18:21.840 year old girls and they'll rape them. And then as a sign of pride, they'll put the underwear of the

00:18:27.780 raped girl on the tree. This happens every single day. I mean, we are dealing with savages here,

00:18:32.740 not to mention the amount of drugs that go with it. And right now you have these 12, 13 and 14 year

00:18:38.360 old girls that are used as sex prostitutes in the major cities across the country. We have no idea

00:18:43.000 who they are. No one's tracking them down. They came down as family members across the border.

00:18:48.260 And yes, of course, you know, Megan, what I'm saying is if it's intentional,

00:18:52.160 they mix in their people that want to come here to work and whatever. But that's not the point.

00:18:57.320 The point is that the leaders are doing this for a reason. Mayorkas is doing this for a reason.

00:19:02.140 Joe Biden is doing this for a reason. And there's some really, really bad people. They mix into it.

00:19:06.800 And, you know, when we were at AmericaFest, our Turning Point USA event, Megan, I had my our

00:19:11.940 colleague, Ben Berquam, who I work with. He's amazing. And he said, Charlie, let me show you

00:19:15.620 something. He comes on my show and he gives me, he dumps a bunch of IDs. And so what happens is

00:19:21.600 before a foreigner will enter the United States of America, about 100 yards out, the cartel instructs

00:19:27.720 them drop any form of identification. So they needed the ID to get that far, to get on a bus,

00:19:32.280 to get on a plane, to get into Mexico. You need the ID. Let me say that again. To get into Mexico,

00:19:36.660 you need the ID. And then they'll do what they call dump IDs. So America is not allowed to go

00:19:40.840 into Mexico, which is insane and silly. We could solve this in an afternoon if we actually used

00:19:46.220 leverage against them with the Mexican government. So they'll drop IDs. You can go and see it for

00:19:50.480 yourself. I've seen it. And there'll be thousands and thousands of these IDs. So all of a sudden,

00:19:55.480 I'm looking through these IDs and China, Russia, Uzbekistan, Iran. I mean, this is not Turkey.

00:20:03.400 This is not your, and by the way, fighting age men. These are 22, 23, 24, 25 year old men.

00:20:09.620 So I'm looking at these IDs. So it's no BS, not bluster. These are official government issued IDs

00:20:13.960 of the Chinese communist party. I think to myself, a 25 year old man from the Chinese communist party

00:20:18.940 comes to the border and claims asylum. And our government is so corrupt. It's so treasonous.

00:20:23.780 They say, okay, sir, welcome to America. We'll see you in three years. Here's a court date.

00:20:28.260 And so that you have to adjudicate it. It's a total joke. And I pray, Megan, I pray that I'm

00:20:34.000 just the guy that is over-exaggerating this. I pray that we don't wake up one day and all of a

00:20:38.320 sudden there are 10 coordinated terrorist attacks against the homeland. And what we do know already

00:20:44.560 is DUIs, rapes, and murders on almost a daily basis. There's a news item after a news item of

00:20:51.360 somebody who came into the country. We lost track of them. They didn't show up for a court date

00:20:55.340 and they kill an American. And so this is all co-sponsored by Joe Biden.

00:20:59.980 Not to mention the number of people coming to a school near you, being forced to stay in your

00:21:06.420 school as your kids get kicked out. Who knows what they're going to leave behind in the school for

00:21:10.580 your kids to deal with at an airport near you in Chicago right now, the brand new wing that they

00:21:15.760 just built on O'Hare, housing all these migrants who aren't washing, the children aren't washing.

00:21:20.200 It's inhumane. And on top of all that, even if you haven't seen that, I live in a Tony town in

00:21:26.600 Connecticut, so we're not exactly experiencing that firsthand. But you know what's coming to

00:21:30.780 everybody? Your kid goes off to college. He gets offered a pill that somebody says will make him

00:21:36.280 feel good, whether it's an ecstasy or an Ambien or whatever it is of the day, and it's laced with

00:21:42.600 fentanyl. And your kid has no idea. And you know what? It happens all the time.

00:21:45.840 I, of course, talk to my children about this all the time because I'm in the news business.

00:21:50.520 But there are a lot of parents out there who really aren't following this that closely,

00:21:53.980 and they think fentanyl is like, oh, it's something somebody chooses to do, like cocaine.

00:21:57.560 And they don't realize that the deaths from fentanyl now are exceeding the deaths that we

00:22:02.440 suffered as a country during the crack cocaine problem and during the opioid crisis of the early

00:22:09.160 aughts. It's happening right now with fentanyl that's intentionally being put in these little

00:22:13.420 pills. And that's why Eric Bolling's got, that's what happened to his kid. One pill can kill.

00:22:18.100 That's the name of his foundation. One pill can kill. So if you don't, if you don't think just

00:22:22.060 because you can't see it in your town, that it's not going to come face to face, probably with your

00:22:27.140 20 year old son, you haven't been paying attention. Big time, 110,000 people drug overdosed and died.

00:22:33.900 I mean, look at the Pawn Star's son, Harrison. He overdosed just in the last week because of

00:22:39.720 fentanyl. And look, it is an underreported tragedy. And some parents say, oh, you know,

00:22:44.480 how bad could fentanyl be? You know, they give it in the hospital, which is true. It is used as a

00:22:47.960 pain relief in the hospital. They have no idea what they're talking about, though, when parents say

00:22:50.860 that. This is so powerful and it's done intentionally. And the cartels are putting in

00:22:56.380 these pharmacological agents and they need to be designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

00:23:02.240 They're not. Joe Biden, when confronted by Republican lawmakers, I've had Republican lawmakers

00:23:07.120 tell me, oh, when we confront Joe Biden on this in closed door negotiations and meetings,

00:23:11.420 he says, well, we can't get Mexico to do their job because they get mad every time we bring it up.

00:23:17.440 This is literally the position of the Joe Biden government that Mexico gets mad. I want you to

00:23:22.540 contrast that with Donald Trump, who loves his country. He has an unconventional leadership

00:23:25.940 style. I'm sure people have mixed opinions about him. But however, it is a fact the border was the

00:23:31.120 most secure. We had border crossings down to record lows. It spiked temporarily. He solved it in

00:23:36.100 afternoon. He called up Mexico. He said, oh, you know, I know that you guys really depend on auto

00:23:40.440 manufacturing and NAFTA. It's going to be a tariff. We're going to start at 5 percent and maybe 10

00:23:46.260 percent. And I need 28000 troops on the border. And Mexico said, is this guy serious? And then he

00:23:51.080 tweeted it out. Remember that, Megan? He tweeted it out and markets even went down and auto manufacturers

00:23:55.420 are freaking out. And within a day he said, OK, we're not going to have to do that because Mexico is

00:24:00.400 sending the proper border patrol. They could do this. Mexico doesn't want to do this. The Mexican

00:24:05.100 government is largely captured by the cartel, but there's still a wing of the Mexican government that

00:24:09.320 have some really good people that are really concerned about this. And they just want America

00:24:13.420 to put them in the right place to solve this problem. But look, Mexico is also benefiting

00:24:18.220 significantly. There's a thing called remittances anywhere between 25 to 30 billion dollars of

00:24:23.580 remittances, which are just going to Walmart in America. You go to the money desk, the currency

00:24:28.120 desk, and you send 100 bucks back to, you know, Guadalajara, Mexico or whatever. And so Mexico is

00:24:34.000 seeing a massive amount of repatriation and remittances of American dollars that are coming

00:24:38.600 back. We need a president to solve this. It is it is immensely solvable, which is what is the most

00:24:43.740 just frustrating part, Megan, is that what is plaguing our country right now, it's not some sort

00:24:50.220 of mystery. It's not like we need to have an investigation to how do we solve this problem?

00:24:54.640 What is lacking is the political will and a ruling class that cares about the country. Every single one of

00:25:02.020 the major problems that is ailing America is solvable. This will go down. It's the first

00:25:06.920 time in modern history where what is plaguing us most can be solved easily and we refuse to do it.

00:25:13.840 I honestly I would vote for Trump just to get Stephen Miller back in there. Stephen Miller knows

00:25:18.440 what he's doing. This is a man who knows how to shut down the border. He just needs to be empowered,

00:25:23.640 ideally by Congress and a president who say, here you go here. Do your thing. Make sure it's secure.

00:25:29.860 The numbers were so dramatic. I mean, we looked it up the other day. It was something like 400,000

00:25:34.940 crossed in in 2020. And this this past year, it's what, two point one, two point three million who

00:25:40.920 have come in, not not including the getaways. It's just in a few years. Think of that. And that's not

00:25:45.500 even counting the numbers who came at one point seven the year before under Joe Biden. So we do have

00:25:50.380 millions more here than we had just under President Trump a couple years ago. Wanted to make a couple

00:25:55.820 points. One on the question of whether Biden will nationalize, will federalize the National Guard.

00:26:02.120 John Kirby was asked that if President Biden is going to federalize the National Guard in Texas

00:26:07.600 to work against Greg Abbott. And he punted. He said, I don't have any decisions to speak for the

00:26:13.860 president. I don't have anything on that at this time. And then Dave Rubin, you may have seen this.

00:26:19.460 He posted something at the airport that's happening right now. I think he was in Chicago

00:26:23.780 that showed you and I, you can't get through to get to your flight without showing your ID and also

00:26:30.640 now having your picture taken. Have you noticed that now you got to stand in front of a little

00:26:34.120 like lens and they take your picture? Not if you're an illegal. No problem. That's he he posted.

00:26:40.260 He actually posted it on his Twitter, the actual sign from TSA. And this is his tweet.

00:26:46.640 This is the state of absolute insanity happening at our airports. I'm in the pre TSA line where

00:26:52.180 migrants do not have to have an ID to get through security. And it's their choice whether they want

00:26:58.500 their picture taken. And that's true. If you read the TSA notice, it says it's optional for you and

00:27:03.980 they don't have to have like a driver's license. They have to have if requested, it says, then provide

00:27:09.180 your alien ID number, alien ID number, not a picture ID. And they don't have to have their

00:27:15.240 photographs taken. But Megyn Kelly does. Charlie Kirk does. What in the course?

00:27:22.780 There is a there's a term that I like to use called anarcho tyranny, which is it's tyranny for

00:27:30.120 the American citizen and complete anarchy for the foreigner. They could do whatever they want.

00:27:34.140 And you think about it, we live in this insane surveillance state for American citizens where

00:27:38.940 everything we're tracked, we're spied on constantly having our fingerprints put in. But if you're from

00:27:44.660 Honduras, you get the you get the special privileges. And there is a philosophy behind

00:27:49.260 this. They believe they can invert the United States by doing this. They believe that they

00:27:53.800 should give special privileges. It's kind of their way of redistribution by other means. But you,

00:28:00.340 you as an American citizen and taxpayer, I hope everybody in the audience understands,

00:28:03.920 is that your leaders don't care about you. The ruling class actually hates you. And that is just

00:28:08.620 one example of so many. I mean, the fundamental things that an illegal alien does to first get

00:28:14.660 into the country, to illegally domicile themselves, to illegally harbor themselves, many of them steal

00:28:19.380 social security numbers. And what'd you say they get an alien ID that that is a gateway to amnesty.

00:28:24.660 We could deport every single one of these people if we so if this government wanted to, but they don't

00:28:30.400 they want them here, because they look at them as the true and real Americans, thou shall have open

00:28:35.860 borders. And there is contempt for Native-born Americans. Yes. And that seems that used to be a

00:28:42.680 controversial thing to say. But finally, that's getting into the narrative. And I could point to

00:28:46.840 multiple pieces of tape. Joe Biden, many years ago, saying that open borders is going to remake the

00:28:53.000 country and help the Democrat Party. The Castro brothers on Face the Nation, they sat down, they said,

00:28:58.460 you're going to be calling the electoral votes for Texas because of the changing demographics.

00:29:03.860 Now, that is becoming a little bit less clear, actually, because Hispanics hate the Democrat

00:29:09.420 Party right now. However, some of these other third world countries, they do vote very, very

00:29:13.980 Democrat, for example, if they're coming from India or from China. And so, yes, it is for political

00:29:19.760 purposes. But it also just seems as if the American Democrat Party, they have such disgust and disdain

00:29:26.620 and contempt for the American project in its current form. It's that whatever we can possibly do

00:29:32.740 to destroy this thing so we can remake it in our image. So destruction must come before remaking.

00:29:38.980 I don't even know if they have that second piece of it, Charlie. I don't even know if they do want

00:29:42.260 to remake it. I don't I don't know what they want. I think destruction. I tend to agree. I'm trying to

00:29:46.380 be I'm trying to be nice. You know, I'm trying to like maybe they have some sort of thing. But no,

00:29:50.760 these people are arsonists. I mean, look at what they're doing to our currency. Our currency is

00:29:55.500 getting absolutely obliterated. Inflation is a country buster, as Donald Trump would say,

00:30:00.140 what they're doing with immigration. At every single turn, the American Democrat Party has proven

00:30:05.260 that they want to burn this nation. And Megan, that's it. I want to just reiterate. I know many

00:30:11.340 people in your audience are listening and say, boy, that's really tough for me to believe. OK,

00:30:14.840 I want to be clear that it's not your Democrat neighbor that lives next to you, you know, on the

00:30:18.840 Upper East Side. They might be co-sponsoring it through their vote. But the average Democrat elite

00:30:23.960 or in the not their average, but the Democrat elite in the ruling class, they have a philosophical

00:30:30.980 or ideological agenda that could be best described by bitterness towards the country. And it's reflected

00:30:36.640 by their policy decisions. It's reflected in what they say openly. And the only way to stop it is

00:30:43.580 to try to create a critical mass. And I think we're starting to get there. This this this issue in

00:30:49.880 particular is not going away. It's only intensifying. And the American Democrat Party is finally being

00:30:56.540 exposed. That's right. All right. One other thing on immigration, and then we'll take a break and

00:31:00.140 move on other subjects. The border bill, so-called. It's not really a border bill. But what happened

00:31:06.800 was Joe Biden wanted sixty one billion dollars for Ukraine. He wants now it was 11. It's more like

00:31:11.440 15 billion for Israel. And the Republicans not really in a spending mood, given the problems that

00:31:16.880 we have finally, by the way, finally not in a spending mood, said, yeah, no. And if we're going

00:31:22.840 to give you anything, we have to have some border security in exchange for it. And now there is a

00:31:26.800 proposed deal. But late yesterday, Mitch McConnell was quoted behind closed doors in the Senate

00:31:31.560 as saying we can't do it because President Trump doesn't want to give the Dems a win in an election

00:31:38.780 year. And Mitt Romney came out of the closed door meeting saying this is outrageous. I can't believe

00:31:43.920 this. Then others said, OK, that was overplayed. But yes, there was some sort of thumb on the scale

00:31:49.420 by Trump behind the scenes like no. My own take on this, having listened to a bunch of people on it,

00:31:55.000 Charlie, is that it's a terrible border bill. It's yes, it's more than we've had. But that's not saying

00:32:01.540 much. You know, then his kid at fat camp doesn't get us very far. And the money really all we're getting

00:32:08.240 is money. And as I understand it, the money that we get, you know, that the Biden administration

00:32:14.120 devotes toward it towards immigration right now is just to process more illegals. It's not to stop

00:32:19.980 illegals. It's just to process them. And so like it's it's a longer ticket to be here in the United

00:32:26.300 States. So it doesn't seem like a good deal at all. I get that it's a little bit more than we had

00:32:31.720 and that the money would stay available for when a Republican took over, however. But it's like

00:32:36.760 the whole it's just such a fig leaf. And I just I'm having trouble feeling bad that it's falling

00:32:43.500 apart. Where do you stand? No, it's a terrible deal. And in fact, no deal is better than this

00:32:47.940 deal because this deal gives work permits to the illegals, which makes them basically permanently

00:32:52.920 in this country. And they need to be deported. If Donald Trump is to become president, they need to

00:32:57.940 be deported back to their country of origin, period, hard stop. You cannot have a country and have six

00:33:02.900 million foreigners come in and remain and still call yourself a country. So this border, quote,

00:33:08.440 unquote, deal, we actually don't know the details. We only know some leaking and some reporting.

00:33:12.780 Rosemary Jenks did some reporting here from Senator Lankford's office. So I want to make sure

00:33:16.480 your audience is clear. We're kind of doing this on the fly. We think we know some of the details,

00:33:21.080 but based on some of the leak details, Chuck Schumer said, well, we can get the illegal border

00:33:25.840 crossings down to 5,000 a day. Wait, time out. So you can cut it in half if you want Chuck Schumer.

00:33:30.340 They're acknowledging, Megan, they could get to zero if they want.

00:33:33.500 And the Republicans were like, no, it has to be 3,000. Even the Republicans are not saying it has

00:33:39.300 to be zero. Yeah. Way to drive a hard bargain, guys. Yeah. You know, we're OK with 3,000,

00:33:44.380 which for all of you keeping it score score at home, that's 90,000 a month. OK. And nearly a million

00:33:50.280 a year. So the Republican position on immigration or on that score under President Trump back in 2019,

00:33:56.520 the illegal border crossings were about 60,000 a month. 60,000. Again, not ideal, but Trump was

00:34:03.260 doing something about it. 60. And now we're talking about a minimum of, you know, 90, whatever. The

00:34:09.880 numbers are egregious. And just FYI, just for comparison's sake, in December of this past year,

00:34:16.340 they were up to 302,000 illegal crossings. OK. From 60 under Trump. And we've never seen anything like

00:34:24.000 that. And like this. And so the Republicans also say that they're negotiating, which they're really

00:34:29.120 just surrendering because they're being held hostage by Chuck Schumer. They say, well, OK,

00:34:33.120 so fine, 3,000. So their counter is let's make it 3,000 a month instead of 3,000 a day instead of

00:34:39.800 12,000 or 15,000. The offer should be zero. And then the second part of this is they want to

00:34:45.480 increase legal immigration in harmony with this, which is to give more H-1B visas like out of nowhere

00:34:51.560 as if, yeah, the solution to this is just more people all the time and more cheap labor. And so

00:34:56.700 that's kind of somewhat of a separate but also just egregious and repulsive detail. And then finally,

00:35:01.580 what they they were talking about in the leaked part of this is they they're not actually changing

00:35:07.780 remain in Mexico. They're not changing any of the details that could quell this or could actually

00:35:13.460 make this. The deportations are not a part of this at all. So Chuck Schumer looks at this and he is

00:35:18.400 basically taunting us and he's saying, yeah, you know, we can get to zero, but we don't we're not

00:35:23.200 going to get to zero because the future of the Democrat Party relies on 5,000 people a day and,

00:35:28.100 you know, 5,000 people. Let me ask you this, because the concern is that now that the that

00:35:33.360 the Republicans appear, although we don't know, but for now they appear to be turning on this deal

00:35:37.220 like, no, of course, the Dems are going to freak out and they're going to blame the whole thing

00:35:43.940 on the Republicans. The whole next year, Joe Biden's going to be out there saying,

00:35:47.620 I tried. We proposed a deal. The Republicans, the obstructionist Republicans in Congress refused it.

00:35:53.980 Now, will the American people buy that? I don't know. This was why I got a little fired up at

00:36:02.100 Speaker Johnson. I spoke to Speaker Johnson over the weekend after I hit him very hard on our podcast

00:36:06.860 and he reached out. It was a good conversation. As I said, that's why you should have shut down

00:36:10.540 the government before the Senate deal came out, is that you should have shut down the government

00:36:14.260 before they have any sort of moral high ground to say that we put sort of sort of bipartisan deal.

00:36:18.500 And my advice to him, both privately and publicly, was you should have shut down the government,

00:36:23.640 which I know people don't like. And he should have went straight to Eagle Pass, Texas and set

00:36:28.120 up a series of tents and say, if you want to reopen the government, you must come to Eagle Pass,

00:36:32.040 Texas in front of cameras and let's talk and let's negotiate. That would have been an offensive,

00:36:36.960 aggressive move. That's not how D.C. usually works. If he would have actually physically moved

00:36:41.200 himself to Eagle Pass, Texas. Imagine the optics, Megan. Every day he'd be doing interviews and the

00:36:46.000 media would be like torn. Do we cover this? Do we not? Because you know how it works in a shutdown.

00:36:50.100 They always want to put their hand out. Comment, Mr. Speaker, do you think the government's going to

00:36:53.300 reopen? And imagine, you know, all these guys having to get in a get in a plane and go to Eagle Pass and

00:36:58.000 say, listen, this is why we're here. This is six thousand fighting age males that are coming across

00:37:02.600 every single day. Now, whether it would have worked, would have Biden capitulated? Possibly. I've never

00:37:07.740 seen public opinion polls where Democrats are so weak on an issue in the modern era. Megan, 12 percent of

00:37:14.700 American voters. I may be off by a couple, but like 12 to 18 percent approve of Joe Biden's

00:37:19.320 handling of the border. And this is the issue that you could have gone to bat on. I am somewhat afraid

00:37:25.760 that how they smell blood in the water on this. They're losing on this. We saw it in the exit polls

00:37:30.260 in Iowa. We saw the exit polls in New Hampshire. But enter. OK, I'll just give you a flavor because,

00:37:34.820 you know, this is where it's going to go. Joe Scarborough this morning, I think, on Donald Trump.

00:37:41.860 Listen to this. You've got Donald Trump saying, let fentanyl flood across the border and kill

00:37:47.300 Americans over the next year. Let illegal immigrants keep flooding over the border.

00:37:52.780 Let's not have a solution. This is really one of them that just really clarify and tell you the

00:37:57.200 whole story, which is, are you working on behalf of the country? Are you working on behalf of people

00:38:02.760 who want to see the border crisis resolved, that they don't want drugs flooding in, that they think

00:38:07.020 there should be an orderly and legal immigration system in this country? That's what you've said

00:38:11.400 you wanted for generations. Oh, my God. Willie Geist. This guy's unbelievable. Well, he admits

00:38:18.820 it's a border crisis. There we go. Before you in, actually, can I just play Gavin Newsom, too?

00:38:24.500 Because he exploited it already, too. And, you know, you know, his role. Take a listen to him. Stop for

00:38:28.660 war. It's so pathetically weak. This Republican Party and the new speaker said, oh, yes, sir,

00:38:35.540 what else would you like us to do? We don't care about America. We don't care about our freedoms

00:38:39.780 and liberties. We care about politics exclusively at the expense of the American people, because all

00:38:44.700 we care about is winning for winning's sake. That is shameful. Mm hmm. OK, get used to that.

00:38:51.160 Well, these people are such liars and they have intentionally ignored the border, ignored it. And

00:38:57.700 now that people are noticing all of a sudden they say, well, it's the Republicans fault for not putting

00:39:02.320 forth a border plan or a comprehensive plan. First of all, the Republicans have they passed something

00:39:07.580 called H.R. to the Senate has not even taken that up for a vote. Everyone should look it up. House

00:39:12.380 Resolution two, which is a firm and clear border plan. And my question to Gavin Newsom and these repulsive

00:39:18.980 people on MSNBC, if it was all about politics, why is Abbott and twenty five red state governors

00:39:24.080 mobilizing the National Guard and playing with what could be the greatest constitutional crisis

00:39:28.560 of the modern era? Do you think they do that lightly? They're doing that because it is a crisis

00:39:33.060 and it's destroying our communities and drugs are flowing in and people are are demanding reform on

00:39:39.760 the border. But look, I'm a little bit encouraged because I don't know if that media narrative is going

00:39:45.520 to sink in, which goes to my other point, Megan, which is I put this on Twitter, which is exactly

00:39:49.720 what I'm going to talk about. I believe we're winning on the border thanks to Elon Musk liberating

00:39:54.740 Twitter and X. I go back to this. This is a theme I talk about frequently on my podcast, which is

00:40:00.060 because we have a one, a single liberated social media platform, which is the incubator of influencer

00:40:07.000 and elite opinion. I don't think them screaming on MSNBC is going to be nearly as impactful as it

00:40:13.680 was a couple of years ago. And I'll prove it to you. Greg Abbott's letter, which was a beautiful

00:40:17.520 letter, has now been viewed over 40 million times on Twitter or X. Elon Musk went down to the border

00:40:24.280 and did a live stream exposing what was happening on the border. These all were the building blocks

00:40:29.300 of moving public and independent minded opinion on what's happening on the border beforehand. I don't

00:40:34.740 know if we would have been able to do that, not to mention this podcast and our podcast and all

00:40:39.400 these different shows that are starting to get the message out, the gatekeepers of the narrative,

00:40:43.920 they no longer are able to control it. And they're largely on defense because millions and tens of

00:40:50.800 millions of people are able to get the truth outside of just reading the New York Times or watching CNN

00:40:57.200 or watching MSNBC. And I truly believe Elon Musk is largely to credit for that. You're so right.

00:41:04.000 Not to mention we've talked before about the trans thing. You could not debate the trans issue on

00:41:08.820 that's right. And now it's a winning issue. Yeah. People are exposed to differing opinions,

00:41:14.860 to the stories about the trophies being stolen and the 50 year old in the pool with the 12 year

00:41:19.660 olds. We wouldn't know about that stuff if it were still being run by Jack Dorsey and his people.

00:41:24.740 And it was still called Twitter. All right. Standby. Quick break. There's so much more to get

00:41:28.500 through. I'm so happy to have you here. Charlie Kirk's with us for the full show. Don't go away.

00:41:32.460 So Charlie, we'll get into the polling and where we think Trump is versus Biden in these swing states

00:41:42.940 because you've had some interesting commentary on that. But first, just let's spend a minute on

00:41:47.240 Joe Biden. And, you know, he's I think the Democrats think he's a much better candidate

00:41:52.440 when they don't see him and they don't hear from him. You know, like Van Jones was saying he should

00:41:57.380 stay hidden over the next 10 months. Yes. And he's 100 percent right, because when he's not hidden,

00:42:02.540 he's out at places like Superior, Wisconsin, Thursday, saying things like this about beer

00:42:12.000 brewing, I guess. Take a listen. It's on top of another billion dollars to clean up the Great Lakes

00:42:16.800 was provide drinking water for 20 million people, 20 million people. And by the way, used to make

00:42:25.560 beer brewed here. It is used to make the brew beer. Oh, Earth Rider. Thanks for the Great Lakes.

00:42:33.880 I wonder what if I was. This is the other advice I gave to Speaker Johnson. He needs to introduce a

00:42:42.020 piece of legislation by law. We need subtitles for the president of the United States. I can't

00:42:46.080 understand what he's saying half the time. It has to just be we need to close cap. We need to close

00:42:50.180 captioning as if he's like a foreign leader. I feel as if I need to have one of those translating

00:42:54.220 devices. I don't know what that is. I don't know what he's saying. We should understand.

00:42:58.680 Well, I think you have a right. That's what I said. I was half joking. I said, we as the American

00:43:02.220 taxpayer and we as the citizens of the United States, we have a moral obligation to know what

00:43:06.700 our president is saying. I don't know what that was. He has a Joe Biden has a tendency to just kind

00:43:10.780 of go deep into these slurs. And, you know, without speculating too much medically, I've, you know,

00:43:17.480 talked to several people, neurologists and just anyone that has a brain in medicine. They say

00:43:23.060 he's not improving. Let's just put it that way. Is that it's, it is a, it is a decline and he has

00:43:30.180 defied odds. He has lasted a lot longer than I thought he has. So I guess it's a, it's a power

00:43:35.180 to modern medicine, I suppose. I mean, I love your idea. However, the poor transcription person,

00:43:40.740 what are they supposed to do? Do they have some superhuman powers that the rest of us do not have?

00:43:44.400 Like who's going to be able to understand that? That's right. That's exact. I mean, I,

00:43:50.020 I think that he was saying something about beer in the great lakes. I think that's what he said,

00:43:56.960 that he's turning, uh, the, the, he's turning the, maybe the water of Huron, Ontario,

00:44:03.340 Ontario, Michigan, Erie, or Superior into beer. That's what he was saying.

00:44:09.180 He'll get back to us. I don't know. Well, meantime, meantime, we've got his number two,

00:44:13.180 who is focused on the world's problems right now. And apparently gave an interview to Katie Couric,

00:44:17.820 who resurfaced. And, uh, in, in, it's supposed to be one of the, one of the lighter moments,

00:44:22.360 I think that's meant to make us fall in love with Kamala Harris. Um, you tell me whether it's

00:44:26.580 having that effect on you. Take a listen here.

00:44:29.520 I recently learned you're only five, two. Is that true?

00:44:32.540 That is absolutely incorrect.

00:44:33.900 Okay.

00:44:34.600 I am five, four and a quarter.

00:44:36.700 Okay.

00:44:37.080 And I'm five, three and a half.

00:44:38.700 And with heels, which I always wear in five, seven and a half. Thank you very much.

00:44:41.760 Okay. Wikipedia, you're wrong. And we need to correct that.

00:44:44.680 I've said this to my team. Like what? I don't know where it came from. I've, I was five,

00:44:49.820 two, when I was 12.

00:44:51.040 They say I'm five, one on my Wikipedia page, five, three and three quarters and shrinking.

00:44:57.560 It's like, literally you, they just want to just make us smaller in every way.

00:45:03.280 The damn patriarchy. She means you that you're doing it.

00:45:07.980 Yeah. So first of all, people that are, and I, this is a generalization that are so fixated

00:45:11.960 on their height or not tall. That's just, I mean, people say, Charlie, how tall are you?

00:45:15.940 I don't know. I'm, I'm tall. Okay. I could be six, two or six, four. I don't know. I'm a tall,

00:45:20.100 I'm a tall. It's just like, it's, it doesn't mean anything to me. But, uh, the other part of that

00:45:24.380 is that she embraces like Kamala Harris, like I'm just being awestruck in your presence. It's like

00:45:30.100 the greatest thing ever. I mean, could you imagine just like a mainstream media person being that

00:45:36.440 buddy buddy with a Republican and it, it just, it, it, it, it is really remarkable. And I know

00:45:42.920 professional distance. I think that, you know, the Democrats say, boy, Joe Biden's not polling.

00:45:49.660 Well, but what we have next could potentially be even worse. I mean, Kamala Harris might be one of

00:45:56.460 the most just undesirable politicians in, in American life from her cackle to her unpopularity.

00:46:03.600 She, she, she, she's, she was there just because Joe Biden said she wanted the black female as vice

00:46:09.460 president. And, um, she is, she's less popular than Joe Biden. And we all know it. I mean, Biden's

00:46:15.500 not doing much better. I mean, every single clip we see of him, cause it's okay. At least she could

00:46:19.080 get the statement out coherently. I understood every word she said. I didn't respond to them.

00:46:23.760 They did not resonate with me. Her obsession with, and I'm five, seven, my heels on, which I wear

00:46:28.040 every day. She sounded a little bit like the Nikki Haley thing from the, you know, and their five inch

00:46:32.740 shield, like just, just stop. Right. Like it is so cringe. It's so it's like this. I'm sorry.

00:46:38.760 This sounds bad. This fake girl power thing, which drives me nuts, which is Nikki Haley every

00:46:44.500 other week. It's nauseating Megan. And I think it actually does disservice to strong female leaders

00:46:49.640 like yourself. And she's like, well, a woman has, I mean, it was like some tweet. It's like,

00:46:53.840 she always has to just remind us. And she's like, you know, like, for example, this is like,

00:46:58.040 you know, uh, only, you know, the, the first man running for president, he's like, well,

00:47:02.860 a woman hasn't done this. It's like, it's like her whole shtick of the campaign. And it's like

00:47:06.960 this fake girl power thing. Um, I think it turns a lot of people off. In fact, I think it turns a

00:47:11.060 lot of female voters off. I think it's just, it's remarkably cringe. Yeah. We know she's a woman.

00:47:16.060 She doesn't have to keep reminding us like, stop making it an issue. Like if anything, you should

00:47:20.480 never mention it, especially when you're running as a Republican, not a Democrat. We don't fall for

00:47:26.400 identity politics. We don't like them. We're trying to get rid of them. We don't want to

00:47:29.620 celebrate them. So she's learning that the heart. Exactly. Stand by another break. There's

00:47:33.760 bizarrely something I really want to talk to you about. And it includes Amy Robach and TJ Holmes

00:47:37.720 and their bizarre new podcast, which will play in part. Let's talk politics because I saw your tweet

00:47:46.280 and it kind of dovetailed with something I had heard on one of the podcasts I listened to

00:47:50.660 about some, some trouble for Trump that needs to be shorn up over the next 10 months.

00:47:55.860 And you, you said, um, it was your warning. You said, I could tell you right now, we are

00:48:02.480 getting our tails kicked in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia. I come after this from infrastructure

00:48:10.280 and machinery, uh, that, and that we are currently on pace to lose in November. So you're, you're

00:48:16.440 sounding the alarm in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia. And on that same front, um, I was listening

00:48:21.740 to our pal, Tom Bevin. He's got a good podcast under the real clear politics manner. And, um,

00:48:27.760 he put on this pollster from Pennsylvania and, you know, Tom is totally fair. He is not

00:48:33.300 a Trump hater at all. He's excellent. He's excellent. He put on this pollster, uh, from Susquehanna

00:48:38.980 polling. And it showed that in Pennsylvania, which an earlier poll had shown Trump leading Biden in

00:48:46.120 now Biden's leading Trump by seven points, 46 to 39. And this guy, his name is James Lee said

00:48:52.700 Trump is underperforming with Republicans in a way, um, that is, that is dragging his support down

00:49:00.820 statewide with Republicans. He's talking about it because he dropped, um, from 45 in September in

00:49:06.140 that poll down to 39 in the current poll. And he said, the support he's losing is with Republicans.

00:49:11.300 And he said, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we're seeing a competition for the

00:49:14.860 nomination with Nikki Haley. Um, he said he was only getting 77, 7% of the Republican vote.

00:49:20.600 That's not enough. In the last survey, he was in the mid eighties and most people agree Trump needs

00:49:25.680 to be a 90 plus with Republicans to win. You know, you given just, there aren't, there are more

00:49:30.460 Democrats than there are Republicans. And then there's a huge amount of independence in the country.

00:49:34.560 Uh, but just in terms of registrations, there are way more Democrats than there are Republicans.

00:49:38.160 So as a Republican running, you've got to win almost all of your own party and you have to win a

00:49:42.200 healthy share of the independence in order to win, you know, the presidency. So he's saying 77% is not

00:49:47.060 enough. He's pointing Nikki Haley still being out there as a problem for him with the Republican vote

00:49:51.180 in Pennsylvania. And, um, just identifying some trouble for him in this critical swing state and

00:49:58.720 you're identifying other trouble. So let's talk about it. What is the trouble as you see it and

00:50:02.240 how does he address it? There's a lot of trouble on the horizon. And I try to always, if, if people are

00:50:08.080 too excited, I try to bring things down. If people are too low, I try to bring things up. So, you know,

00:50:12.200 six months ago, people say, you know, Trump can't win and all this. And then I'd say, no, no, no,

00:50:16.560 look at, here's the case of how we can do it. Now. I think it's the opposite. Megan, people are way

00:50:20.300 too cocky on the right. I mean, I'm getting these text messages where they, this one person, I kid,

00:50:25.100 I nearly threw my phone. This one person said, Charlie, do you think I can get invited to the

00:50:29.400 white house Christmas party? I said, what are you kidding me? No, no, it was, I'm not kidding you,

00:50:34.020 Megan. I just, I nearly threw my phone and it was like one step short of, you know, can you,

00:50:39.980 can you make sure that, you know, the measuring the drapes or whatever people say it's just so

00:50:45.080 repulsive. And, and so look, I think there's too much cockiness. The prediction markets do think

00:50:50.240 Donald Trump is going to win, but those things change all the time. We have an electoral college

00:50:55.100 system. It's going to come down to a handful of States. We believe at turning point action,

00:50:58.800 which is our political arm. It's going to come down to Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia,

00:51:02.280 which collectively Donald Trump fell 42,000 votes short in the 2020 election. Um, there is

00:51:09.400 legitimate questions of kind of self-identified Republicans and suburbs. Are they going to come

00:51:14.340 home to Trump to the point for the Susquehanna, Susquehanna polar, uh, that, that pollster, it's

00:51:19.900 exactly what I would have said in a primary, those numbers typically do go down and they recover.

00:51:23.740 So there's plenty of time to, to kind of remedy that. A couple of thoughts though. We don't know the

00:51:29.760 RFK, uh, situation. We know he's going to be on the ballot in all 50 States. I have warned for quite

00:51:35.380 some time. It hurts Donald Trump more than it hurts Joe Biden. I think that's changing. I think

00:51:39.880 that's changing in real time. I think RFK has an opportunity to become a protest vote for black

00:51:45.360 voters and younger voters. Um, and so that's interesting. We're going to keep an eye on that.

00:51:49.880 Uh, young men are trending more in Trump's direction, uh, as kind of a protest F you vote.

00:51:54.980 We hear that a lot on campus. We see that in the data, you know, I'm not going to go along with

00:52:00.000 the trans agenda, the woke agenda, the affirmative action, DEI, and Trump kind of represents a stick

00:52:05.260 it to the man, especially for young male voters, young females will definitely go more towards

00:52:10.060 in the Joe Biden direction, primarily on the abortion topic. I will say though, that what I'm

00:52:15.820 trying to tell Republicans, stop the guessing, stop the speculating, stop wondering if you're going

00:52:21.020 to get invited to the white house Christmas party and get to work, which is why Megan on Monday,

00:52:25.560 uh, at turning point action, we're hosting an alternate RNC meeting in Vegas, same place,

00:52:31.100 uh, the hotel next to where the RNC is hosting their winter meeting. Uh, cause we believe the RNC

00:52:36.360 is not doing the job. We think Ronna McRomney is a loser. Uh, and she is not properly equipped to

00:52:41.660 make the Republicans prepared to win an awfully winnable election. And Megan, I know you feel this way.

00:52:46.760 If you were just outside of all the other dynamics and the lack of party machinery,

00:52:51.340 what issue set favors which side it is like a 99% issue set that should favor Republicans.

00:52:58.040 The economy is not what it should be. There's high inflation, the border crisis,

00:53:02.460 they're transing and grooming our kids. Foreign policy stuff is a complete disaster.

00:53:06.880 That is an issue set where it's advantage Republicans almost every single time. And if we don't win it,

00:53:12.140 it's going to be the fault of the RNC and the Republican infrastructure and the Republican

00:53:16.240 establishment. I will say one of the things that will be advantage Trump is that it looks as if

00:53:21.560 no labels is going to put a candidate in. It looks like Cornell West is still running.

00:53:25.440 Jill Stein is still running. And if RFK still runs, it's probably going to be a race to 40 or 41%

00:53:30.880 in some of these States that the winner is going to be the winner of the plurality, not the majority,

00:53:36.960 which will drive the Democrats nuts because they hate that. They go, they go crazy. Anytime that occurs,

00:53:41.740 even though Bill Clinton won with a plurality of votes back when Ross Perot ran in the 1990,

00:53:46.500 1988, 1992 election, I'm sorry. And the 1996 election, yeah, 92 and 96, he wanted the plurality,

00:53:53.760 not a majority. So it remains to be seen. But what I think Republicans need to focus far more on

00:53:58.560 is the boring stuff, ballot chasing, voter registration, getting into the streets. We're

00:54:04.000 hiring 300 full-time people at Turning Point Action to be full-time ballot chasers in Arizona and

00:54:09.200 Wisconsin alone. We want to do even more than that. It's going to be the largest deployment

00:54:13.100 of full-time get out the vote election workers that the Republican conservative side has ever seen.

00:54:19.460 So we're trying to do our part. We're not making any predictions of whether it's going to be decisive

00:54:23.680 or not, but we can say that if this work is not done, we're probably going to fall short.

00:54:28.740 But wait, let me ask Donald Trump ballot chaser. Yeah, please. What does that mean?

00:54:33.040 Yeah. So the Democrats employ thousands of these people and a ballot chaser in states where you're not

00:54:39.200 allowed to touch or assume custody of the ballot. They are invested in a 30-day period to go after

00:54:46.460 low-propensity voters. So people that might somewhat fit the profile of what is a likely voter

00:54:53.040 for your preferred candidate. So for example, if you're on the right, maybe someone who has a hunting

00:54:57.720 license, they own firearms, and they're a white male in their mid-40s, but they haven't voted in quite

00:55:04.020 some time. That's somebody who fits the profile, who is likely going to be a Donald Trump voter or

00:55:10.540 a likely Trump voter. In the 30-day period before actually election day, since you have these states

00:55:16.720 that have nearly universal mail-in balloting like we have here in Arizona, you try to find that low

00:55:21.360 propensity voter. So Earl, who's a plumber, and we know he has a hunting license, and we know that he

00:55:26.240 owns firearms, and you knock on the door, and you try to persuade or convince Earl to fill out that

00:55:31.320 ballot and chase that ballot and get that into the mail. Now, you can't touch the ballot. You can't

00:55:35.980 assume custody. You can't fill it out for him, but you can persuade him. You could build a relationship.

00:55:41.260 The Democrats have done this. They've deployed thousands of full-time ballot chasers, and they've

00:55:45.340 done it on the inverse. So they target people that care about the climate. They target people that care

00:55:50.200 about the race stuff. And abortion is the superpower issue that they can micro-target. And so you have a lot

00:55:57.020 of young, single, professional, corporate-driven women in their late 20s and early 30s, where abortion

00:56:02.900 is the primary topic. It's something Republicans struggle with. It's something Democrats dominate

00:56:07.980 with. And so they deploy these full-time ballot chasers in that 30-day period, and they'll knock on

00:56:13.480 doors. And it's Susie, who's 28 years old and went to Arizona State University, and she lives in her

00:56:21.180 apartment. And she may or may not usually vote, but she had a ballot sent to her home, and the Democrat

00:56:25.680 operative knows that there's a ballot sent to their home. And the person knocking on the door

00:56:29.520 is a colleague. So it's a female to female, 20-something to 20-something. And she'll say,

00:56:34.500 listen, the Republicans are going to take away your right to choose. I need you to fill in that

00:56:38.300 ballot. Let's do this together. They're going to take your birth control. They're going to take

00:56:41.700 everything. Exactly. Let me ask you this. The psychological aversion by Republicans to voting

00:56:46.960 by mail remains. One of the downsides to Trump with the questions about the election integrity for the

00:56:53.160 past X years is people don't trust. They don't trust if they put their ballot in the mail and send

00:56:58.580 it in that the person who receives it is going to do what's right, what's legally required. That's

00:57:03.460 right. The Trump vote is going to suddenly just slide into the garbage, wait at night when no one's

00:57:07.960 looking. That's right. So what? And I understand that fear. So that's why Republicans want to vote

00:57:13.800 day off. But they are going to continue to lose if they only do day of voting and the other side does so

00:57:19.120 much mail in. So what do you want people to know on that front? Yeah. So first of all,

00:57:24.140 low propensity voters is icing on the cake. So these are voters that might not have voted at all.

00:57:28.340 And it's going to the trick and the challenge, Megan, for our ballot chasers is going to knock

00:57:32.280 on the door and somebody says, what? I don't want to vote. The election is rigged. That's going to be

00:57:36.680 the number one chief objection. And we're going to become experts on how to navigate that conversation.

00:57:43.060 Secondly, Donald Trump needs to offer us air support by every single day. He needs to say,

00:57:47.960 hey, you have to you have to vote by mail if you're it's OK. We have to do it. We have to maximize

00:57:53.740 it. And if he says that it will make our job even easier. Right. Which is why just saying that every

00:57:59.300 election is rigged is probably not going to be helpful. I fully acknowledge and admit, Megan,

00:58:03.840 they might they might put the you know, put the ballot, you know, aside. They might do shenanigans,

00:58:09.260 but not voting is a guarantee that they're going to win. At least participating in the system gives us a

00:58:14.740 chance. But also, Megan, there's other ways, which is we're chasing ballots and they'll say, well,

00:58:19.100 I don't trust mail in balloting. Now we're legally allowed to say, hey, but would you like a ride to

00:58:23.220 the early voting in person early voting center, which we found in with DeSantis in Florida that

00:58:28.660 that's a good bridge. So Arizona has a massively underutilized in person early voting infrastructure

00:58:34.480 where you can go no lines, still vote in person three or four days ahead of Election Day.

00:58:39.800 Our fear is that we're if we don't fix the process of which we vote and maximize to the best of our

00:58:46.100 ability the early voting mechanisms, we're going to have a redux of Carrie Lake 2.0 where I went to

00:58:52.380 go vote on Election Day in 2022 and it was an hour and a half wait and the machines failed and people

00:58:58.360 were getting out of line. I'll never forget Megan. There was a young lady. She was in scrubs. She was a

00:59:03.000 nurse. She walks up hour and a half wait. She says, well, forget this gets back in her car. Now,

00:59:08.620 I don't know if she came later in the day. There's no guarantee that she did. But the long lines on

00:59:13.520 Election Day and almost inviting machine malfunction or tabulation is is unacceptable if we want to win.

00:59:20.040 And the Democrats, they have perfected the system where they have banked their votes to such a certain

00:59:25.520 extent that we're not even able to overcome anything. We would need ninety nine point eight percent

00:59:31.060 turnout on Election Day. You can't get that for anything. People get sick or they travel or they

00:59:35.620 forget. And the problem that I and I. Yes, exactly. Like what we saw in northern Nevada and the Adam

00:59:42.620 Laxalt race. Right. In northern Nevada, there was a terrible winter storm. If twenty one hundred more

00:59:48.120 human beings would have showed up on Election Day, you would have had a Republican center in the state

00:59:52.840 of Nevada and the Senate would be 50 50. And the Democrats would have a tiebreaker of Kamala Harris would be a

00:59:58.260 completely different type of dynamic. And that was back in the 2022 midterm. So Adam Laxalt would be a

01:00:03.240 center. He lost by like twenty two thousand votes to Cortez Masto. So our philosophy is this, is that

01:00:08.980 if we keep on acting as if we're in a 2016 election format where Election Day is decisive, we're going

01:00:14.220 to lose. And the number that I repeat that I know the best in the state of Georgia in 2018, when it

01:00:19.100 was Kemp versus Abrams, Stacey Abrams, the first time over to about two hundred forty seven thousand

01:00:24.960 people voted by mail in the state of Georgia in the 2020 election during covid, that number was two

01:00:30.020 point six million. It increased by a factor nearly ten and it's near three million. Now we have the ball

01:00:37.440 game has completely changed. We have to change alongside of it. I don't like it. I wish we had

01:00:42.080 same day paper balloting the way they do it in France. But the Democrats have sued using the Voting Rights Act,

01:00:48.020 the Civil Rights Act and many of these other very crafty legal methods, largely architected by Mark

01:00:54.900 Elias to increase the mail and balloting infrastructure because they have always been angry

01:01:00.060 and mad that enthusiasm is what won elections. And you think about it, Megan, Republicans,

01:01:05.420 you know, they're they take election day really seriously. You get in your car, you go to the voting

01:01:09.740 place. Democrats say, how can we get the person who doesn't really care? The twenty five year old on the

01:01:15.780 couch that might be sympathetic to our abortion policies. How do we get them to vote easier?

01:01:21.380 You send them a piece of paper. You have someone knock on the door and try to get that piece of

01:01:25.380 paper submitted. It's I believe this is going to be one of the more decisive elements of the 2024

01:01:30.520 election this November. The boring stuff, the infrastructure, the machinery. And currently we are

01:01:35.800 significantly outgunned on this front versus the Democrats. Who besides you is is undertaking these

01:01:42.860 operations in these swing states. Well, the Republican Party should. We're not aware of any

01:01:49.500 robust effort. Yeah, I don't want to speak. We have not been aware of anybody else. If they are

01:01:55.720 there, if anybody else is high, if if anyone else is hiring 300 full time people and raising the capital

01:02:02.700 to do that in Arizona and Georgia, I would love to meet them because just hiring 300 people.

01:02:07.500 People this is what Republicans need to be spending their money on. This this is what they need to be

01:02:12.520 spending their money on because they do have winning positions on these issues that but they do need to

01:02:17.120 do a better job now that the Democrats have won the fight over how we vote of getting their party

01:02:22.840 to vote in this new way that they distrust. They just there's no other way to win. All right. I want

01:02:30.220 to keep going. There's a lot. You cannot win. Thank you. Yes. Speaking of the Democrats being very

01:02:36.340 clever in how they win elections. Fannie Willis is one of the people going after Trump in Georgia.

01:02:41.120 She's the D.A. who says he committed a RICO violation. And there are some updates now in the

01:02:45.460 case against her. The audience by now is familiar with the fact that she's under examination for

01:02:49.600 having an alleged affair with her special prosecutor. She brought in Nathan Wade and paying

01:02:55.380 him what looks like much, much more than the other two special prosecutors and then taking trips all

01:02:59.980 over the world with the guy on the taxpayer dime. All of it looks corrupt, could potentially be a

01:03:04.020 bribe, could potentially be a violation of law that she's going to have to answer for in a criminal

01:03:07.400 court herself. And it could potentially get her bumped off of this case. Do I think it'll get

01:03:11.780 the case dumped? I don't. But I don't think Fannie Willis has any business staying on this case.

01:03:16.400 And that's all going to be litigated. The latest on it is she and Nathan Wade are expected to be

01:03:23.040 subpoenaed for a hearing on the affair allegation. So it looks like they are actually going to have to

01:03:29.460 provide witness testimony at this hearing. And, you know, so far, neither one has denied it.

01:03:34.640 Neither one has spoken to it. They said they'd address it, address it in motion practice, but

01:03:38.340 they haven't. So the hearing, which takes place on February 15th, could include live testimony from

01:03:45.500 both Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade. Oh, that's going to be must watch TV. Put it on your calendar.

01:03:52.020 Now, secondly. Oh, yeah. Trump Trump filed something interesting in this case. He's

01:03:56.380 kind of let this other defendant run her run herd on the Fannie Willis problems.

01:04:01.360 That's fine. Trump's got enough legal issues to deal with. But Trump and his attorneys just weighed

01:04:05.980 in on the Fannie thing legally. And they are they filed a motion in Fulton County Superior Court

01:04:12.380 regarding Willis. And it zeroes in on the speech she gave at the Big Bethel AME Church that we've

01:04:18.280 played in part for our audience over this past week, where she got up there and made it all about

01:04:22.880 race and, you know, got very political. She was supposed to be giving a speech on MLK Day.

01:04:29.080 Instead, she made it all about herself and her alleged lover and how what victims they are.

01:04:35.400 And the allegations that Trump is making in this motion are that these constitute, I'm quoting here,

01:04:43.960 a glaring, flagrant and calculated effort to foment racial bias in this case by publicly denouncing

01:04:51.580 the defendants for somehow daring to question her decision to hire a black man without also

01:04:56.680 mentioning that she is alleged to have had a workplace affair with the same man to be a special

01:05:00.340 prosecutor. These assertions by the D.A. engender a great likelihood of substantial prejudice

01:05:04.920 toward the defendants in the eyes of the public in general and prospective jurors in Fulton County.

01:05:09.200 In particular, they say that these remarks, which I'll play for you in part right now,

01:05:14.300 amount to a violation of Georgia's rules of professional conduct, which require prosecutors

01:05:19.040 in criminal cases to, quote, refrain from making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial

01:05:24.300 likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused. Here is just a snippet of what he's

01:05:31.080 talking about in SOT. I think it's 11.

01:05:34.580 Why does Commissioner Thorne and so many others question my decision in a special counsel?

01:05:42.240 I appointed three special counsels as is my right to do, paid them all the same hourly rate.

01:05:49.780 They only attack one. First thing they say, oh, she gonna play the race card now. But no,

01:05:56.860 God, isn't it them who's playing the race card when they only question one?

01:06:02.080 Why are they surprised that a diverse team that I assembled, your child, can accomplish extraordinary

01:06:10.460 things? God, wasn't it them that attacked this lawyer of impeccable credentials? How come,

01:06:17.360 God, the same black man I hired was acceptable when a Republican in another county hired him

01:06:24.960 and paid him twice the rate? Oh, y'all ain't hearing me. Why is the white male Republicans' judgment good

01:06:33.200 enough, but the black female Democrats not? It's pretty extraordinary and it's a pretty clever

01:06:41.360 objection by Team Trump because they're absolutely right. I mean, it is extraordinary to hear a

01:06:45.820 prosecutor talking like this. Well, yeah. And I mean, there are so many layers to this. First of all,

01:06:50.980 she's in big trouble. And if she did end up having a romantic relationship, which it seems

01:06:56.020 that she did with Nathan Wade, then she should be dismissed immediately. And you could make an

01:07:01.260 argument, which it's not enforced and it's kind of an antiquated law in some ways, that adultery is a

01:07:06.740 felony in the state of Georgia. So somebody very well might have to answer. Again, it's almost never

01:07:13.460 enforced, but it's still in the books. You can fact check it. It is still on the books in the state

01:07:17.560 of Georgia. Well, at a minimum, she ran. She ran. It's a misdemeanor. It's a misdemeanor. I want to

01:07:22.220 be clear. Yes. Yes. That's right. Criminal matter. She promised the voter she would never do this. So

01:07:27.840 as an ethical and a political matter, it's two strikes against her. Keep going. Right. No. And

01:07:33.460 then the other layer, which is, I think we could come after this from another perspective, is remember

01:07:37.520 Nathan Wade invoiced saying that he was communicating with the Biden White House billable hours to the White

01:07:44.440 House counsel's office on multiple occasions. So that deserves some sort of explanation.

01:07:50.660 There finally is some Senate board overseeing this to look into it. But Fannie Willis, this is the

01:07:56.680 playbook. How dare you look into me? How dare you question anything? And it's because I'm a black

01:08:01.940 female. No, it's not. You're the first person besides Alvin Bragg to indict a former president of

01:08:06.860 the United States on the most silly, insane RICO charge ever. And now that we are criticizing and

01:08:12.880 looking into, you're going to play the black female race card. And by the way, what what in Nathan

01:08:18.340 Wade's experience as a personal injury lawyer prepares him to work on, you know, work on this

01:08:24.760 for six hundred thousand cumulative dollars? It's as if you hire Better Call Saul as a personal injury

01:08:31.840 lawyer to come alongside of you to go after Donald Trump. And this is a sweetheart deal that is being

01:08:37.620 exposed, thankfully, because of these divorce proceedings. And look, Fannie Willis has been the

01:08:43.940 darling of the left wing media. If the New York Times did a whole cover story on her last year,

01:08:49.500 they really were ramp, you know, amping it up. Do you notice how Georgia has not received a lot of

01:08:54.100 attention lately, Megan, that they're kind of ignoring this? There was a lot of hype around Georgia

01:08:59.160 and they say, oh, Donald Trump's in legal perils. But if you read the legal peril arguments,

01:09:03.100 they all kind of point to the Jack Smith stuff and they point to documents and they point to the

01:09:07.580 insurrection or whatever, all that nonsense, because they know they have a serious problem here

01:09:11.440 because the prosecutor and the investigator who might be removed, who could be removed by the

01:09:16.260 special Senate hearing. They're looking into it. All the different nefarious activity is that the

01:09:21.700 prosecutor herself is engaging in prosecutorial misconduct and potentially illegal behavior.

01:09:28.740 And it's a shame because you look at all the other defendants, whether it be Rudy Giuliani

01:09:34.140 or Mark Meadows, that have to spend hundreds of thousands and near millions of dollars to defend

01:09:38.300 themselves. I want to find out who's actually pulling the strings here. If Nathan Wade actually

01:09:42.940 had multiple billable hours to the Biden White House counsel's office, did the Biden White House

01:09:47.360 counsel's office get tipped off ahead of time? Were they the one coordinating this? Are they the

01:09:51.780 coordinating hub of the lawfare attack against Donald Trump? This is what interests me even more

01:09:56.380 than, you know, Fannie Willis is. Well, they deny it. But then what was this all about? Why is

01:10:01.040 Nathan Wade billing the taxpayers of Fulton County multiple times? Yes. Yeah. Cause it's a huge

01:10:06.720 question. The Biden White House, they deny having anything to do with this. You know, they've done

01:10:10.480 jumped through 10,000 legal hoops to make it look like they have nothing to do with any of these

01:10:16.460 prosecutions. And then there's a bill by Nathan Wade for having, after having met with the White House

01:10:21.960 counsel's office about this case. So which is it? And Nathan Wade's about to take the stand.

01:10:26.220 I'm February 15th in this courthouse. And you can bet that the cross examiners are going to say,

01:10:30.320 what was discussed? What was this for? Now it could just be, are there documents we need that

01:10:34.700 are related to this? We'll find out, but it was a couple of meetings. It wasn't just one.

01:10:38.780 And he's going to have to answer for it. Just two things. You're referencing it today in Georgia,

01:10:44.460 the GOP controlled state Senate is debating and will reportedly vote on a resolution that would

01:10:49.380 create a committee to investigate Fannie Willis. The panel would have no power to sanction her,

01:10:53.740 but could subpoena evidence and witnesses to dredge up embarrassing information.

01:10:58.300 That's interesting because we don't know what this judge in, you know, the cases down in Georgia,

01:11:04.780 the ones against Trump and his co-defendants or the divorce case in which this all got started.

01:11:08.960 We don't know what any of them is going to have to say about this. So this is sort of a backup

01:11:11.920 politically. And speaking of politically down in Georgia, the Fulton County supervisor named Bridget

01:11:18.440 Thorne, who was referenced by Fannie Willis in that church tirade. She went on has now weighed in

01:11:26.320 on what happened between the two of them. When Bridget Thorne had the temerity to ask Fannie Willis,

01:11:33.180 what's, what's the deal with these Nathan Wade expenditures? I'm supposed to be answering to

01:11:39.680 the taxpayers of Fulton County. Why is he getting paid so much? And take a listen to what she said.

01:11:45.540 Transparency was not there. As I've skimmed through it, um, the allegations are frightening.

01:11:55.420 I believe we need some transparency. As I asked her, um, how much this election interference case

01:12:03.700 was costing the County. The answer I got was that lady justice has no price and I wasn't given any

01:12:12.240 amounts. Thirdly, when I asked her about the Nathan, um, our way expenditures in particular,

01:12:20.140 um, I didn't get an answer. I was told that I'm just picking on him because he's black.

01:12:30.460 That's your only card to say. I'm sorry. Hold on a second. Almost every person in the Fulton County

01:12:35.400 government at this point is black. So, I mean, that's just, I mean, I hate to break it. If I,

01:12:39.300 again, it's not a race thing when, you know, when Fannie Willis comes up and does a press conference,

01:12:43.680 like 80% of the people working in her office are black. It's fine. I have no problem with that.

01:12:46.860 So, but just a silly thing to say, it's like, are we able to do our job as the supervisor office or

01:12:52.120 not? You know, you, you can't, you can't pick on anybody in it, but I will say this Fannie Willis

01:12:56.040 should be nervous. That is not a good enemy to have. You do not want to have the supervisor board

01:12:59.660 looking into you, uh, for a very specific reason. There's another, uh, rule and protocol that

01:13:06.160 Fannie Willis very well might've broken, which is a conflict of interest. When you submit your

01:13:10.380 expenses to the supervisor's office in Fulton County, you have to fill out any sort of conflict

01:13:14.220 of interest forms. Like, oh yeah, Hey, this is my brother. This is my sister. This is my cousin.

01:13:17.680 Oh, this is my lover that I go on Caribbean cruises and go to Napa Valley with. Um, you have to,

01:13:22.760 you have to disclose that. And I don't know. I think the Fulton County supervisor is another attack

01:13:27.320 vector here. I mean, look, they, they overreached when they went after Trump. One of these is going to

01:13:33.240 break one of these. And finally, and in final, if I'm reading the prosecutor, prosecutor, prosecutor

01:13:38.160 law correctly, I believe Brian Kemp can fire Fannie Willis at any point. Now, whether he's going to do

01:13:43.300 that or not remains to be seen. He's not exactly a friend of Trump. He's trying to keep his distance.

01:13:47.940 Uh, but the evidence is mounting that Fannie Willis herself might actually be the criminal here,

01:13:52.040 not Donald Trump. Here's something extraordinary. Here's something that's never been uttered before.

01:13:57.960 You and I are in agreement with Ellie Mistal, the very racist correspondent for the nation

01:14:05.160 who's on MSNBC regularly talking openly about his hatred for whites on, on MLK day. He was like,

01:14:12.340 I've had, I've, I've, I've had it for an hour and 30 minutes. That's all I could tolerate of the

01:14:17.160 whites today. And I had to go back inside. This guy does not, he does not like white people.

01:14:21.720 Okay. But I want you to hear this because what he's written here on this case is interesting,

01:14:27.480 given his feelings on these issues. Uh, some highlights. I really can't defend Fulton County

01:14:33.920 district attorney Fannie Willis. I want to, and then he goes on to say, because he loves her

01:14:38.180 prosecution of Trump. I want to, he adds, because I'm rooting for everybody black. I'm rooting for

01:14:45.620 everybody black. That's his life principle. Okay. But even this guy, it gets better. Even this guy

01:14:50.720 then goes on to say, but I can't or won't defend her from the salacious allegations leveled against

01:14:56.060 her because if true, they represent a textbook case of public corruption, even if they shouldn't

01:15:01.500 affect the case against Trump. This defendant Roman who filed this, I mean, he talks about him

01:15:06.460 a bit, um, goes on to say, uh, this is a hit job and a prominent black woman carried out by a long

01:15:12.780 time Republican operative, but still just because this looks like a bad faith hit job does not mean it

01:15:18.220 can be ignored. That's because if true, the relationship looks a lot like a kickback scheme.

01:15:23.380 The time for Nathan Wade to get his ass gone from this case is now. If Willis is to be punished,

01:15:29.040 it should be through the very electoral procedures. She has used her office to defend in the biggest

01:15:33.960 case of her life with the entire world watching. She apparently decided to hire her lover for a $650,000

01:15:39.880 government job. If true, that's not a mistake. It's not merely bad judgment. It's hubris. It's reckless.

01:15:46.880 It's walking on a tightrope without a net while juggling live grenades because you've convinced

01:15:51.800 yourself that gravity does not apply to you. All that's left now is the very long fall. Let's hope

01:15:57.480 she doesn't drag the case down with her. Did Ellie write that? Yes. Can you believe that? That guy's

01:16:06.240 like Mr. Black Power, as you say. I mean, that's remarkable. I'm almost speechless. And it's also a very

01:16:13.660 what could win Donald Trump, the state of Georgia. I mean, you have to remember this is happening in a

01:16:17.500 battleground state, a state that Joe Biden got the electoral votes back in 2020. And if Donald Trump

01:16:23.060 is able to come in and say, hey, you know, your local DA is a criminal looking into me, prosecutorial

01:16:28.580 public corruption. I mean, that's going to be awfully persuasive. It's going to be impossible to cover up.

01:16:33.180 And the worst case scenario for Democrats with all this lawfare is if the cases start to fall apart

01:16:40.520 and it gets to be used as a boost and a boon for Donald Trump. It is the rule. And you know this,

01:16:48.500 Megan, you've been covering this for a while, which is somebody actually can become far more popular

01:16:54.920 and sympathetic if a prosecution falls apart post-prosecution, if a jury acquits them,

01:17:00.960 if the prosecution drops charges, because then they become a sympathetic figure. Oh my goodness,

01:17:05.060 look what they went through. The government was overly aggressive. They were picking on you.

01:17:08.240 And Donald Trump is right on the verge of that. I mean, they, they, that was the only place that

01:17:12.320 did the mugshot. This is by far the most serious charges of even the Jack Smith stuff. They're

01:17:16.980 going after Rico and public corruption and all this incredibly aggressive stuff, all happening in a

01:17:23.380 jury. Yes, exactly. All and, and, and, and let's not forget, you know, Rachel Maddow reminded us in

01:17:30.520 her little smirk and she never changes her wardrobe and they all black. She says, and remember Trump can't

01:17:35.640 pardon, Trump can't pardon himself in Georgia charges. Yeah. And that was like the little

01:17:40.940 reminder. That's the, that's the little reminder. And so of all the ones that I wanted to see fall

01:17:46.540 apart the most, it's this one in Fulton County, Georgia. And, and it's predictable inner city

01:17:53.060 Democrat politics. This stuff happens all the time, right? They had, you know, the, the brother is

01:17:58.100 paying the sister who's paying the lover and all this stuff. They just don't usually get caught.

01:18:01.840 And because the whole world is watching, this stuff is, is amplified. And I think Fannie Willis

01:18:08.840 has been, she's freaking out a little bit because all of her defenders in the media are not, they're

01:18:14.540 not there. They're moving on. They're like, well, how's that Alvin Bragg case? When you've lost

01:18:19.320 Ellie Mistel, there's no coming back. That's it. I don't know whether this is going to be broadcast.

01:18:24.620 This thing's about to collapse. Like if this is going to be broadcast publicly, I mean,

01:18:28.300 obviously we'll be watching and reporting on it, but I think the Trump trial down in Florida or in

01:18:33.200 Georgia was supposed to be a broadcast. So let's see if Fannie Willis has to take the stand with a

01:18:37.780 camera around. Wouldn't, I mean, at a minimum, we're going to get a transcript. We're going to

01:18:40.940 see what was said. There's no more denying it. It's, it's D-Day's coming lady. You're going to have

01:18:46.180 to take the stand. And so is your alleged lover. And we're finally going to get some real answers on

01:18:50.860 why he was talking to the white house and whether you actually traveled on the taxpayer's dime

01:18:54.720 and you violated campaign promises and your ethical obligations and possibly the law while playing

01:19:00.760 holier than thou savior for the Democrat party in trying to put Trump behind bars. The irony that

01:19:07.220 she could wind up in trouble with the criminal law long before he actually does. All right,

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01:20:21.000 All right, Charlie. So you got yourself in some trouble online because you're always stirring up

01:20:25.360 trouble online. Oh, I'm such a troublemaker. You are a troublemaker reacting to a June,

01:20:32.080 2021 clip, but it was making the rounds on X of the CEO of United Airlines, Scott Kirby,

01:20:38.900 talking about their, their quotas over at United for, you know, diversity in the ranks of pilots,

01:20:45.940 which is extremely controversial for obvious reasons. Here's the clip that you were reacting

01:20:50.980 to in South 13. How is diversity and diversity targets working into the Aviate Academy? We have

01:20:57.400 committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color. Today, only 19%

01:21:04.320 of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color. And by the way, from all the data

01:21:09.100 I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country. White males don't just dominate in the

01:21:12.980 cockpits. Also in the C-suite at United Airlines. Well, look, at United, I'm proud of the diversity that

01:21:18.080 we actually have in our C-suite. I think if you look around corporate America. Correct me if I'm saying

01:21:22.140 though, so I, this was just based off your website, the people you list as executives, but out of 11

01:21:25.480 people, three are women, I believe one is a person of color. Um, that's correct. Um, but you know,

01:21:31.880 in corporate America, I think, you know, that's a low bar. How do you raise your own bar? Well,

01:21:36.340 a lot of this is, you know, focusing on it. We have, uh, programs to, one of the things we do is

01:21:41.540 for every job when we're doing an interview or require women and people of color to be involved

01:21:46.540 in the interview process. Shut up. Oh, I'm sick of this nonsense. It's so repulsive.

01:21:55.900 All right. So wait, let me finish it by your, your reaction to it. And people freaked out

01:22:01.060 because you said the thing that you're not supposed to say, but that's what you're known

01:22:05.120 for. Here he is in SOT 14 on Charlie's show. And that's why I think this United story in the DEI

01:22:11.780 story hits so hard because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when

01:22:18.180 you're flying through a storm and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff

01:22:22.240 in the square jaw, get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. I mean, like,

01:22:27.840 you want to go thought crime? Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy,

01:22:32.320 I hope he's qualified. Well, that's the, you wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have,

01:22:35.760 you wouldn't have done that before. That's not an immediate, no, you wouldn't have done that before.

01:22:39.020 That's not what I am. That's not what I believe. It is the reality. The left has created.

01:22:44.620 I like the meltdown after this with people like, and the response, the proper response was from

01:22:52.880 you, from people like Matt Walsh, this is the world you people have created. You have created

01:22:59.000 this world where you make somebody's skin color, the sole criterion for hiring. And then you react in

01:23:07.560 horror when people wonder whether the qualifications are also there. The nerve to get so indignant about

01:23:14.340 your reaction to that. This is their world. You're just living in it. Yes. And I want to just

01:23:20.060 reiterate the essence of that clip that was missed by almost everybody. Jordan Peterson, to his credit,

01:23:26.440 really picked up on it, which is what I was trying to be, you know, very vulnerable at the audience

01:23:31.480 is that DEI invites unwholesome thinking. And I said, I don't, and I was saying in the clip,

01:23:38.700 that's not who I am. That's not what I believe, but what it does is it makes us worse version of

01:23:44.880 ourselves, Megan. That's the whole point of what I was saying is that I now look at everything through

01:23:50.580 a hyper racialized diversity quota lens because of their massive insistence to try to hit these

01:23:58.160 ridiculous racial hiring quotas. Of course, I believe anybody of any skin color can become a

01:24:05.200 qualified pilot. That has never been my contention. I mean, it's silly. That's it's bigoted to think

01:24:10.620 otherwise. Right. What I was saying, though, is when you currently have less like three to four percent

01:24:17.600 of current pilots are blacks right now, three to four percent. And now they want to say this is

01:24:23.300 just a hiring class of candidates. Are there enough candidates to fill the 50 percent quota?

01:24:28.860 And the other question should be asked is, why is it a problem? Let's just ask the premise.

01:24:33.360 Why is it a problem that 81 percent are white? And I just I love the Axios guy. Well,

01:24:38.620 white males are dominating the cockpit. Yeah, those pesky safe flights are dominating our society,

01:24:44.300 Megan. You know, all those, you know, all those twenty five years of commercial airliners that have

01:24:51.120 kept on. I mean, dominating as if like the white male is like oppressing us with, you know, their

01:24:58.440 beautiful landings through turbulence and storms. And I just I just as if it's some some sort of like

01:25:06.920 we literally he said the Axios, well, white males dominate in the cockpit. Good. And the sense of like,

01:25:13.260 it's been safe. It's worked. I don't care about the race. I literally don't care. But like the

01:25:18.440 premise is as if there's some sort of massive oppression enterprise going on. And so I just I

01:25:23.180 want to make sure this is clear because the the deeper point even got cut off in that clip. That's

01:25:28.180 fine. Is that D.I. creates like bad people. And that's we walk around asking questions that we

01:25:36.180 otherwise wouldn't ask. And I happen to say the quiet part out loud because I don't like thinking that

01:25:42.160 way. I feel dirty. I feel like sinful. I feel that I'm now asking questions I wouldn't otherwise ask.

01:25:48.340 But they've invited this entire conversation. And by the way, I just want to make this clear

01:25:54.060 because then some people say, but Charlie, they're totally qualified. Hold on. Every analysis that we

01:25:58.980 have of similar quota based affirmative action programs always results in the lowering of standards,

01:26:06.260 whether it be Harvard, whether it be in federal hiring practices. Oh, at Harvard admission standards

01:26:12.020 were lowered 20 to 30 percent for black students versus Asian and white counterparts. So you can have

01:26:17.740 one or the other. You can have excellence or you can have diversity. And I, for one, someone who has

01:26:23.780 flown millions of miles and over 3000 days of travel in the last decade, I want excellence in air

01:26:29.620 travel. I don't care about the skin color of the person. Yes, exactly. And by the way,

01:26:35.720 this is happening in medicine, too, though. This is happening in medicine and places for quotas

01:26:41.280 or hyper focus on diversity. They're just not like people have to have confidence that everybody gets

01:26:46.920 into that cockpit or into that O.R. based on one thing, and that is merit. That's it. Like

01:26:52.340 they deserve to be there. I want to end it with this. Eli Steele, who I love. He's Shelby Steele's son,

01:26:58.260 and he's brilliant. He's a great social commentator. For the record, he's a person of color. He's a

01:27:03.020 black man, mixed race, I think, in any event, whatever. He says in response to this, Charlie,

01:27:09.020 he tweeted out, what do you think Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele have been warning us about for

01:27:14.280 years? We cannot embrace the double edged sword of racial preferences and its lure of an advantage

01:27:20.840 without being stigmatized as inferior. It's the devil's bargain. It's too easy to point the finger

01:27:28.060 at Charlie Kirk and slam him for racism. It that solves nothing, and it makes racism the problem

01:27:32.660 when the left's systemic deployment of racial preferences is the true culprit. This system

01:27:38.440 benefits the corrupted racial essentialists like Claudine Gay at the expense of the aspirational.

01:27:44.800 The sad reality is that the aspirational among us do not need these advantages. We do not need the

01:27:51.860 man to help us. Our people didn't survive slavery for this, and we should honor our ancestors through

01:27:58.820 our untainted achievements. That's it right there. Beautiful. I couldn't have said it better myself,

01:28:06.620 and that is, I haven't heard that. And I will say, Megan, I was, I'm very encouraged that

01:28:12.800 many people, Allie B. Stuckey, Jordan Peterson, Matt Walsh, Tim Pool, Candace Owens, because this thing

01:28:19.920 has been viewed 30 million times without any prompting. They said, wait a second, this is what

01:28:24.600 Charlie's saying. And I think that was a really good thing, Megan, because it would have been very

01:28:28.880 easy to just kind of say, oh, wow, he said the private thing and it kind of, that's not how, you

01:28:34.100 know, I was really encouraged and thankful for how people stood up for me and stood up for the truth.

01:28:39.060 So thank you. Yes. Okay. All right. So let's end it on a fun note. So TJ Holmes and Amy Robach got

01:28:49.040 fired from their jobs on the third hour of Good Morning America a year or so ago. It wasn't

01:28:55.820 because they had an affair. I mean, according to the reports in the Daily Mail and the New York

01:28:59.720 Post, he had been stupping half of the newsroom. So this was not his first rodeo outside of his

01:29:05.220 marriage. She was also married at the time to Andrew Hsu, formerly of Melrose Place. She later claimed,

01:29:11.720 oh, you know, he had moved out by the time, you know, this affair broke, but we saw the pictures.

01:29:16.260 It had been going back some time, whatever. I don't think they got fired for infidelity to

01:29:21.080 their respective spouses, though there was a day when that would have canned you from morning TV.

01:29:25.540 They got fired because they then paraded themselves in their teeny weeny bikinis all over

01:29:31.420 the beaches of America, fawning over one another. They both have children in their marriages and their

01:29:37.620 kids, hers in particular, were posting sad faced photos of themselves, like alone with their dad,

01:29:45.060 without their mom, who we saw simultaneously frolicking in her little bikini with the

01:29:50.120 affair partner. That's a no. That's a PR nightmare for a company like GMA, ABC, The Mouse. So they

01:29:57.180 got canned, which was totally predictable. They could have saved themselves, done a mea culpa,

01:30:02.060 gotten past it, but they chose to go another way and try to make us celebrate their affairs.

01:30:06.460 And it was a hard no. There still are some standards. So now they've launched a podcast.

01:30:12.820 This thing is like a soap opera. You won't be surprised given how their relationship appears

01:30:18.080 to have begun. It doesn't seem like it's going very well. I don't think it's long for the wear,

01:30:24.700 Charlie. So on Tuesday of this past week, they decided to drop a podcast in the middle of an

01:30:33.180 argument of a fight they were having. And these, I mean, I'm sorry, I find them so unlikable.

01:30:39.600 Like the victim, he's an ass. She's victimized at everything. She can't believe all the work she has

01:30:47.820 to do now as a podcaster. She's used to somebody doing this for her. It's stressful.

01:30:52.540 And just what a tough life we have, right? Listen to thought 17.

01:30:58.460 I have always been fully confident in our ability to work together. And what I haven't

01:31:05.840 done as much of in my career is be responsible for content, booking, ratings. The pressure of all of

01:31:15.720 that I think has consumed both of us. I like to talk it out and brainstorm and throw things

01:31:23.240 out and up. And you like to quietly do your thing by yourself. And so what we've ended up doing is

01:31:31.200 sitting in silence for hours next to each other. And it's exhausting. When it is an extended period

01:31:35.780 of time or multiple days, I start to feel nervous.

01:31:40.360 Nervous about what?

01:31:43.200 How you're feeling about us and me.

01:31:47.700 Is that always on the table? Like everything that comes up, is it always that? Because that's

01:31:53.620 like nuclear. I don't know how in those moments

01:31:56.860 to take care of me and take care of somebody else.

01:32:02.220 Oh, my Lord.

01:32:05.640 Well, so I just so Megan, I take coming on your show very seriously. So I did a lot. I had to

01:32:12.640 listen to this pile of crap, you know, otherwise. And so I first of all, I found it very interesting.

01:32:19.740 You know that their ex spouses are now together. It's a very, very bizarre. So that that whole thing,

01:32:25.580 I just in the research, I was like, well, that's really weird. Secondly, in the podcast,

01:32:30.160 he periodically calls her robot, like, like her by her last name. Like, did you notice he

01:32:36.500 periodically calls her by her last name, as if like, it's he's like coaching her in a basketball

01:32:42.100 game. Like, it is very, very strange. These people are so nauseatingly self important using

01:32:48.320 terms like authenticity. And I have to be what was it? Oh, my I'm living my own truth.

01:32:55.580 I mean, like, no, it's totally wrapped up in a psychobabble.

01:33:00.260 So I'm far from an expert on this. But here was my initial takeaway. And it is part of an argument

01:33:04.880 I've made for years. You could tell a lot about somebody and how talented they are or not when you

01:33:10.960 remove them from the box. When you remove them from being in 100 million homes, and all of a sudden

01:33:18.120 you make them have to survive in the wild, you're going to find out a lot if they have talent and or

01:33:23.920 whether they don't. I mean, and Megan, look, you have like the number one podcast on the planet

01:33:27.300 here. And it's, you know, we love it. We love the success. We love the virality. I don't think

01:33:32.400 this is going to do very well. First of all, it's just they they I don't I don't know. Look,

01:33:38.700 I'm a big market guy. I'm a big competitor. I can't imagine people on their commute to work

01:33:44.020 turning that on while they're sitting in traffic on the 405. I maybe I'm wrong. But

01:33:49.740 it's a podcasting is a ruthless business. As you well know, Megan, it's hyper competitive.

01:33:55.320 And what I love about it is that if you're a failure, people see you're a failure very,

01:33:59.280 very quickly. It's just you don't succeed. You go you go into the end. I don't I don't know. I am.

01:34:04.680 You got short on this part about her complaining about it's the pressure of like having to put

01:34:09.900 together our own podcast. Meanwhile, it I guarantee you these people are working three hours a day.

01:34:15.400 OK, nurses are on their feet eight to 12 hours a day dealing with sick bodily functions. They

01:34:22.620 like they actually have to work to put food on their tables. These are both millionaires. Just

01:34:26.960 stop. No one feels sorry for you. What would she say? We don't want people to think we're the perfect

01:34:32.120 couple. We don't. Don't worry. Yeah, we don't. And but what she's saying is that for her, she has to

01:34:39.060 be interesting. And that's really hard work for her. She used to a good morning America to say,

01:34:44.440 here, read this script brought to you by Pfizer. You know, America's a racist country. The orange

01:34:49.100 man is destroying us. Let's go to our frontline correspondent. Now she has to be in a podcast

01:34:54.280 and actually be interesting. Very tiring, exhausting work. What are they going to do when they're not

01:34:59.780 talking about themselves? By the way, we've got to end with this. There was a follow up to the to

01:35:05.180 the fight podcast in which he TJ said the following. Listen to Sat 20. I don't want to put this out

01:35:11.800 because this is going to, I fear, be viewed as a black man beating up on a white woman.

01:35:18.100 Now, if anybody took their time and listened to that podcast, obviously, I was not yelling,

01:35:22.940 screaming. I wasn't doing anything. Now, we are a couple who's having a disagreement. So

01:35:27.780 obviously, neither one of us were having our best moments. But my immediate concern was that

01:35:32.900 and you and Sugarman both like, wait, what? I was shocked.

01:35:41.000 You've got, you got to get the race in there. Got to do it. Old habits die hard.

01:35:46.840 And they were still fighting. This is the resumption of the fight.

01:35:50.660 My immediate concern. So more so than the well-being of your partner, your immediate concern

01:35:55.620 is that you're playing into some like weird racial stereotype. Like these people need,

01:36:01.280 they need more than therapy. They need to go to like Switzerland for a month. They need like a

01:36:04.920 whole team of people that just look at them and heal them. These, they, they, they're, they're far

01:36:10.560 from, they're far from role models. We'll see if that works. I have a feeling this podcast is not

01:36:14.860 going to be around for too long. No, this is not a healthy relationship and it didn't start well and

01:36:19.980 it's not going to end well. We'll continue to watch it and use Charlie Kirk as our TJ and Amy

01:36:26.260 correspond. Oh, great. I, I'm honored, Megan. Thank you for, for giving me that honor.

01:36:33.400 Learned so much. It's great to see you. Thank you so much for being here. Let's talk again soon.

01:36:37.380 God bless you, Megan. Love the show. Thank you so much. Thank you as well. Uh, okay. Have a great

01:36:42.200 weekend, everybody. We'll see you on Monday. Look forward to that.

01:36:45.820 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 26, 2024

Charlie Kirk on the Border ＂Invasion,＂ Key GOP Ground Game Strategies, and Fani Willis' Rough Road ｜ Ep. 711

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