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00:00:30.920 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.740 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:47.000 We're back home from D.C. safely and what a crazy few days it's been in the nation's capital.

00:00:53.420 It's just, oh my gosh.

00:00:55.420 We are less than two weeks into Trump's second term and there is more news than ever.

00:01:01.300 Have you seen these videos, the latest videos of the plane crash?

00:01:05.380 They're very disturbing.

00:01:07.320 There is understandably a lot of speculation circulating today about whether this could possibly have been intentional.

00:01:14.420 When you see the way this helicopter from the new angles seem to have plowed right into the regional jet.

00:01:21.980 Well, we reached out to the pilots who we had on the show yesterday, John and Wiz, and we asked them to comment on the latest videos, these different angles.

00:01:31.340 And I'm going to tell you exactly what they said to try to clear this up.

00:01:36.400 We've got updates on that.

00:01:37.980 We've got updates on the status of Trump's nominees.

00:01:40.420 Tulsi Gabbard, did she just get some good news?

00:01:43.180 Cash Patel and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:01:45.800 Here to break it all down for us is our pal, Charlie Kirk, founder and CEO of Turning Point USA.

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00:02:48.060 Charlie, welcome back.

00:02:49.680 Thank you, Megan.

00:02:50.420 What a week is right.

00:02:51.940 And it feels as if it's been like a couple months of activity.

00:02:55.940 But honor to be here and help unpack this with you.

00:02:59.860 I know.

00:03:00.360 So much to go over.

00:03:01.340 Let's just start with the plane crash because everybody's talking about it.

00:03:04.060 And those latest videos that we woke up to this morning, I mean, my jaw dropped.

00:03:09.680 You know, yesterday I had on the show these two pilots and I showed them the video we all saw that was circulating everywhere yesterday.

00:03:16.160 And to me, it looked very much like there was a plane coming from behind.

00:03:18.960 It's like the helicopter was coming from behind and kind of went right into the regional jet.

00:03:24.120 And they explained to me that what we were seeing coming from behind there actually was not there.

00:03:31.400 So you can see this light approaching.

00:03:33.280 This is forget the plane on the top of the screen.

00:03:35.740 It's the lower one.

00:03:37.100 And you can kind of see what looks like a plane coming right into it, the helicopter running right into the regional jet.

00:03:41.920 And they said I wasn't seeing it right, that that wasn't the helicopter coming from behind.

00:03:47.280 That was a different regional jet or smaller jet.

00:03:49.940 And that, in fact, the helicopter had been coming from, like, the side and is not really that visible.

00:03:54.840 And then today, new video surfaced that really shows what I thought I was seeing yesterday.

00:04:03.180 It looks like the helicopter, like, almost ramming into the regional jet.

00:04:08.980 Here it is.

00:04:10.220 And I do believe that is the helicopter hitting the regional jet.

00:04:14.520 I mean, it is.

00:04:15.220 It's the proper video now.

00:04:16.620 It's just from a different angle.

00:04:18.740 But, and everybody online is saying, what's happening?

00:04:21.900 Was this an intentional takedown?

00:04:24.840 And then there was additional speculation.

00:04:27.280 I want to underscore it turned out to be totally false.

00:04:30.140 That maybe the pilot of the helicopter was a trans woman.

00:04:35.700 There were reports that it's a woman, and we do believe it was a woman.

00:04:39.900 But then people started saying it's a trans person.

00:04:42.180 It's a man pretending to be a woman.

00:04:43.660 And they attached a name to this person.

00:04:46.020 That it wasn't true.

00:04:47.120 That person is alive and well and was not piloting that helicopter.

00:04:52.440 We don't believe it was a trans person.

00:04:54.220 We believe it was an actual woman with 500 hours of flying experience.

00:04:59.000 And we're told that's a decent amount.

00:05:01.820 We don't know all the details.

00:05:03.400 We'll find out more today.

00:05:05.580 So here is what the pilot said.

00:05:08.580 Stand by.

00:05:09.380 Let me get this up so that I can just read you.

00:05:12.080 John, who was on yesterday, said to him, this does not look intentional.

00:05:16.180 The helicopter was more or less following the standard helicopter route along the east side

00:05:20.400 of the river.

00:05:21.080 It was what they were cleared for.

00:05:23.040 They were slightly high, like 100 feet, and maybe a bit off course.

00:05:26.900 But this would not be unusual, particularly if they were flying on night vision goggles,

00:05:31.120 which we believe they may have been.

00:05:32.340 It appears that they either lost sight of the regional jet or that they misidentified another

00:05:38.320 jet in line behind this regional jet when they were asked by air traffic control, do

00:05:43.220 you see the jet?

00:05:44.100 And they said yes.

00:05:45.200 Or they perhaps got distracted.

00:05:47.640 Then Wiz, who was the helicopter, oh, he was a Top Gun instructor and graduate.

00:05:53.720 He said, it does not look intentional to me.

00:05:56.080 It literally looks like they are just clueless about the regional jet.

00:05:59.420 Remember, pilots can be heads down in the cockpit looking at stuff.

00:06:02.960 They're not always looking out the front window.

00:06:04.860 If both pilots are looking at something inside the cockpit or entering something into a computer,

00:06:09.400 nobody's looking out the window, especially if they believe they had the traffic in sight

00:06:14.500 that was a threat to them, which clearly was the wrong traffic.

00:06:18.340 In other words, he's saying, too, when they said they saw the jet, they were probably looking

00:06:23.000 at the wrong jet.

00:06:24.460 There's no way two aviators in an army helicopter would fly directly into a land

00:06:29.400 landing regional jet.

00:06:30.740 So both of our experts who have no dog in this hunt say this does not look intentional

00:06:36.100 to them.

00:06:36.600 They believe it was just a catastrophic error.

00:06:39.480 Anyway, your take on it, Charlie.

00:06:42.000 Well, yeah.

00:06:42.700 First, I mean, it's an unspeakable tragedy.

00:06:44.420 I can't tell you how many times I've been a passenger on that same approach, probably

00:06:48.020 over a hundred times, right over the Potomac, right into Reagan National.

00:06:51.860 In fact, where our hotel was, we were in D.C. when this was happening, the boom and the

00:06:57.560 sound woke up our son.

00:06:59.480 We were in a hotel right over the Potomac.

00:07:01.940 And all of a sudden, all the L&S, the lights and sirens started to go off.

00:07:06.900 Hundreds and hundreds of them.

00:07:07.900 We were wondering what was going on.

00:07:09.360 So I'm far from an expert.

00:07:11.080 So I don't want to try to speculate on this.

00:07:13.860 It's very unusual.

00:07:14.920 It's very, very confusing.

00:07:17.360 I think that we have the right people to tell us the truth on this.

00:07:21.600 I think Sean Duffy has been doing a great job and talk about trial by fire.

00:07:25.160 My goodness.

00:07:26.120 I mean, you know, you hit this accomplishment of being secretary of transportation and four

00:07:31.060 or five hours later, you're being rushed to the worst plane crash since 2009.

00:07:36.160 I thought I think President Trump has been terrific.

00:07:38.400 You know, in his press conference, you could tell President Trump was ticked off, not really

00:07:42.960 necessarily at a particular person, but you could tell that he was ticked off at the loss

00:07:47.880 of innocent life so unnecessarily.

00:07:51.040 And I hope people understand that that was in many ways Donald Trump showing his heart

00:07:56.460 and his like impatience and his intolerance for such a situation like this.

00:08:03.240 There's there's so many questions that we need answered, such as, OK, if there is even

00:08:07.480 a one in a hundred thousand chance that a helicopter will hit a commercial airliner, aren't

00:08:12.820 there other places you could do training exercises?

00:08:14.920 Again, I'm just a layman, so I need someone more educated to maybe fill me in on that.

00:08:20.820 But if by the way, the near misses, they say, oh, yeah, helicopters and doing test flights

00:08:26.140 near miss commercial airlines all the time.

00:08:27.880 Like, well, what are we doing here?

00:08:28.920 Why is this even in the cards?

00:08:30.660 Why are we even considering this?

00:08:32.240 And then finally, of course, it does warrant further examination where I'm most interested

00:08:37.980 in on this very cryptic FAA report where they said something was not normal at air traffic

00:08:44.000 control or something was not right or something was highly unusual.

00:08:47.380 It's in the New York Times.

00:08:48.180 We don't know what that.

00:08:49.560 Yeah, we don't know what that is.

00:08:51.340 Actually, they just that was a very cryptic message.

00:08:54.200 I have full confidence that Secretary Duffy is going to actually get to the bottom of this

00:08:58.920 and let us know what that means.

00:09:00.840 Could it be something about someone who's unqualified that was there?

00:09:03.800 I don't know.

00:09:04.100 I don't want to speculate in that.

00:09:05.640 But we do know that the New York Times has reported months prior, and this has been a

00:09:09.880 theme, that near misses are becoming more and more typical in our nation's airports.

00:09:18.340 And it's beyond shocking.

00:09:20.840 And just, again, it doesn't require any further comment than just an awful tragedy that all of

00:09:27.960 us can sympathize with because we've been not just at that airport, but on similar approaches

00:09:33.460 like that all across the country.

00:09:35.620 That's exactly right.

00:09:36.660 And so what the New York Times is reporting today is that in that control tower, there was

00:09:45.120 something unusual that the air traffic, the reason why the air traffic controller was handling

00:09:52.780 both plane landings and helicopter landings at the same time, which is usually a job for

00:09:59.080 two people, quoting here from the Times, is because a supervisor combined those duties

00:10:04.440 sometime before 9.30 p.m. and allowed one controller to leave, according to a person briefed on the

00:10:13.300 staffing who was not authorized to speak publicly.

00:10:16.320 So for some reason, we were undermanned in the air traffic control tower that night.

00:10:22.280 One person was controlling both helicopters and planes, which was a break from protocol.

00:10:28.040 As you know, as you know, as a parent, every parent out there knows when there's a break from

00:10:32.560 protocol, when, you know, typically the dad doesn't drive the kid to school, you know,

00:10:36.520 the mom always does it.

00:10:37.560 This is where things can happen, you know, like not to get too grim, but this is where you find out

00:10:42.660 like the kid was forgotten in the back of the car on a hundred degree day because they broke

00:10:47.320 protocol.

00:10:48.000 They broke the way they normally do it and something went catastrophically wrong.

00:10:52.780 Nobody meant for it to happen.

00:10:54.420 It's just, you know, certain patterns get in place and people do them ritualistically.

00:10:59.520 And when you throw a fly into that ointment, things can go wrong.

00:11:03.360 And they're saying that there should have been two air traffic controllers there and that for

00:11:07.120 some reason they let one go early that night.

00:11:09.840 And then what happens this now people aren't really pointing to the air traffic controller.

00:11:15.200 Some people are saying that the air traffic controller should have said rather than do you

00:11:19.160 see the plane should have said, pull up, you know, like a direction to the air to the helicopter

00:11:25.200 as opposed to just relying on the understanding that they were talking about the same regional

00:11:30.980 jet.

00:11:31.660 Obviously something went very wrong in the communications, but that's something to look at.

00:11:36.300 And then separate and apart from that, or maybe it won't be separate and apart, we just don't

00:11:40.820 know yet is the whole discussion.

00:11:42.820 This is raised about DEI because the problem here, Charlie, is that there is no question

00:11:48.080 we are undermanned in our air traffic control towers.

00:11:51.500 And one of the reasons we are undermanned is because they've apparently made a big push since

00:11:56.660 Obama's presidency to eliminate or reduce the whites.

00:12:00.740 They really had enough of trained white male pilots and people with air traffic control

00:12:09.140 experience who happen to have piloting experience if they happen to be white and created this

00:12:14.080 whole test for people to get in that would rank your abilities.

00:12:19.260 That's right.

00:12:19.900 If you played four college sports, you got like four points.

00:12:23.820 But if you had actual piloting experience in the military, you had zero points added to

00:12:30.740 your resume to the point where there's this massive class action going forward by white

00:12:35.640 guys saying this is illegal.

00:12:38.240 You cannot discriminate against us based on our race, based on our gender.

00:12:42.280 And this has been ongoing.

00:12:43.920 So your thoughts on it?

00:12:46.180 Well, no, that's right.

00:12:47.640 And again, we don't know the particulars of this situation, whether or not that played into

00:12:51.740 it, but what it does is it should beg the question for every person that is now trusting their

00:12:56.580 life by going into a commercial airliner, would you rather have air traffic control that is

00:13:02.260 there because of merit or there because of race that is there because of qualification or

00:13:07.640 there because of some silly and irrelevant piece of criteria that, that they were hired for.

00:13:16.700 And I sure hope that the president gets the credit he deserves for signing that executive

00:13:22.300 order just a couple of days into his administration saying that new hiring practices for high stakes

00:13:27.700 for all things, but especially high stakes environments like air traffic control is going to be based

00:13:32.980 in merit.

00:13:33.600 And this goes to show how the prior administration started with Obama and it really accelerated under

00:13:39.460 Joe Biden, where we saw some of this criteria where the FAA was even saying that we want to hire

00:13:44.700 people potentially with physical disabilities and mental disabilities.

00:13:48.920 And it goes to show that these two things cannot coexist.

00:13:52.660 The diversity obsession and merit-based excellence cannot coexist.

00:13:58.440 They cannot.

00:13:59.240 So you have to choose which one you want.

00:14:01.120 If you go in the direction of a diversity obsessed society, you will plunge into mediocrity at best

00:14:07.920 and most likely substandard ways of living, catastrophic events, almost assuredly.

00:14:16.680 However, if you prioritize merit, then you are going to be able to have a higher standard of living.

00:14:23.160 You're going to be able to have breakthroughs.

00:14:25.140 You're going to have planes be able to land with confidence.

00:14:28.040 And we could apply this over all sorts of disciplines from surgery to health care to education.

00:14:35.100 Who do you want doing the things that you care the most?

00:14:37.540 Someone that is there that knows what they are doing and earned it or someone that didn't

00:14:42.440 earn it.

00:14:42.840 And DEI can otherwise be said diversity, equity, inclusion or didn't earn it.

00:14:46.860 DEI.

00:14:47.480 They're there for reasons not based on earning or merit or their agency or their free will,

00:14:53.360 but because it was just given to them because we need to fill some sort of preexisting characteristic

00:14:59.860 criteria box.

00:15:00.920 So my hope, Megan, is that this is a wake up call.

00:15:04.500 Yes, exactly.

00:15:05.400 A wake up call.

00:15:06.260 And the only quota we should care about is do we have enough people that are the best and

00:15:11.540 the best cannot coexist with political based, highly driven diversity obsession.

00:15:18.880 And so America chose merit at the ballot box, overwhelmingly chose merit.

00:15:24.580 When presented in public opinion polls, Americans want merit over affirmative action.

00:15:30.180 They do not want quotas.

00:15:31.860 We want to be an excellent country, not a substandard, mediocre European country.

00:15:37.700 And so my hope is that this will further the mandate that we can purge anyone from the federal

00:15:43.420 ranks in whatever job that they are for people that had to be given special accommodations on test

00:15:49.200 scoring, on employment checks, on performance reviews because of their race or because of their

00:15:55.920 gender.

00:15:56.840 And I sure hope this will prevent future catastrophes from occurring because, Megan, as you know,

00:16:02.800 near misses are becoming nearly a daily thing and we are playing with fire and we need the best

00:16:08.600 that our country has to offer in aviation and health care and across all these different

00:16:13.700 forms of operation in our country.

00:16:16.340 Absolutely.

00:16:16.980 And it helps the diverse people who pass the merit based tests never have to be second

00:16:21.920 guessed or get that look, you know, like, is that person here because of his merit or

00:16:26.200 is he here because of skin color or is she here because of her gender?

00:16:29.900 If we just stick to merit, it helps minorities.

00:16:32.220 It helps everybody.

00:16:33.460 Um, the other thing is I ask the people who are in support of this DEI in, in air traffic

00:16:39.460 control, in piloting, in medicine, do you want your child going under the knife of a

00:16:45.800 DEI surgeon?

00:16:46.780 Do you want your child on the plane?

00:16:48.680 That's exactly right.

00:16:49.580 Being piloted by a DEI pilot?

00:16:51.120 Do you want your little one or do you, or would you prefer to know that this is the most

00:16:54.880 talented pilot with the most talented air traffic controllers society can produce?

00:17:00.140 And here's the thing about that.

00:17:02.240 So there's a, there's a report in the Washington post today and we'll get to what Trump said,

00:17:05.960 but there's a report in the Washington post today saying Trump can rip all he wants on

00:17:10.800 Obama for pushing to lower the standards for, uh, people who work in air traffic control

00:17:17.200 and as pilots, but he didn't, but he, he did it.

00:17:21.300 He created it in 2019.

00:17:22.940 That isn't true.

00:17:24.060 We actually went back and looked Obama created this.

00:17:26.500 He's the one who lowered the standards and prioritized literally, as you said, like severe

00:17:31.800 intellectual disabilities.

00:17:34.320 So that's a real thing.

00:17:36.220 That's a real thing.

00:17:37.340 We couldn't believe it, but it's true.

00:17:39.620 Trump did not change it.

00:17:41.340 He did not get rid of it in his first presidency the way he just did.

00:17:45.440 So Trump was a little slow to get up to speed on some of these issues, his first term.

00:17:49.640 Um, but now he did.

00:17:51.780 Now he got out there with his executive order within hours of taking the presidency.

00:17:54.980 Go ahead.

00:17:56.540 Yeah.

00:17:57.120 I want to defend the president here because understand the cultural context of 2017 through

00:18:01.560 2021, when he served, this was before the great awakening, at least the later part of

00:18:06.440 presidency was during kind of the whole Floydapalooza woke stuff.

00:18:10.440 And there was still, remember how powerful it was when somebody called you a racist in the

00:18:16.120 media that still had a ton of cultural power.

00:18:19.600 And no, no, of course I don't say this sarcastically, like the president and his team, I'm not saying

00:18:26.980 that they were ever presented with this as a major problem, but there was not a nationwide

00:18:31.560 dialogue around merit versus race-based hiring.

00:18:35.440 And certainly there was this kind of sort of Damocles that all public servants would walk

00:18:41.000 around with of my goodness, if they call us a racist, the entire presidency could end.

00:18:46.580 So let's not do anything that might upset that apple cart.

00:18:50.040 Now I'm not putting any words in the president's mouth, but I'm just trying to defend the cultural

00:18:54.140 context of everything that was happening during those couple of years.

00:18:58.120 What happened in 2020, obviously during COVID and all the CRT, DEI, Robin DiAngelo, hate

00:19:04.600 white people, tearing down statues was a mask off moment for what their agenda actually was

00:19:10.740 and credit to this program and credit to the conservative grassroots and credit to our

00:19:15.480 members at Turning Point USA that fought so hard to educate the masses through 2020 and

00:19:21.440 2021 and 2022 and 2023 that created such an overwhelming outpour where president Trump felt

00:19:30.340 the support of the American people to sign such an executive order on day one.

00:19:34.580 And let's be honest in 2018, this was happening a little bit on the edges, but it wasn't a,

00:19:40.540 well, you know, we're going to have DEI.

00:19:42.540 It'd be a really interesting question.

00:19:43.940 If we could go back and pull the American people, how many people would even know what

00:19:47.860 DEI was in 2018?

00:19:49.340 Now I would imagine the vast majority of people who watch the news know what it is.

00:19:54.020 And so the president acted correctly because we saw the excesses of the diversity, equity,

00:20:00.700 inclusion regime.

00:20:01.800 And also back in 2017, 2018, 2019, there was this belief in conservatism.

00:20:07.800 Well, you know, we have really good intentions and maybe we can work with some of these better

00:20:13.140 goals to try to diversify the workplace.

00:20:15.680 And they took total advantage of us.

00:20:18.100 Obviously it turned into an anti-white, anti-Western, anti-Christian agenda.

00:20:23.840 It opened the eyes of those of us with common sense sensibilities.

00:20:27.920 And president Trump acted correctly in his first couple of days.

00:20:30.360 Can I just add to that, Charlie?

00:20:32.220 So I think about this all the time because when I was at NBC and had my calamitous downfall

00:20:37.340 there, it was October of 2018.

00:20:39.780 And so many people have come up to me over the years to say, like, the you that went

00:20:44.860 out on the air and apologized after that whole thing, after you didn't do anything wrong,

00:20:49.120 bears no resemblance to the you that we see today.

00:20:52.520 And they're not wrong.

00:20:54.260 You know, there was a combination of things going on there.

00:20:56.460 I mean, I was very beaten down by a very rough year at NBC.

00:20:59.100 Um, and once you've been flagellated enough, you kind of like, okay, I guess, you know,

00:21:03.280 I'm a terrible person.

00:21:04.280 Like everybody says, but I can relate to exactly what you're saying because my first instinct

00:21:09.440 then, even though I knew what I was saying was true, was just to apologize and bend the

00:21:14.200 knee because that was the culture.

00:21:16.360 It was like, nobody was talking about this stuff.

00:21:18.800 Like it was just, if you want to have a career, if you want to exist in polite society,

00:21:24.080 when this mob turns on you, there's only one thing to do, which is to say, okay, I fall

00:21:28.940 on my sword and move on.

00:21:30.580 And it was part of my awakening, my own personal awakening to do that, to feel disgusting about

00:21:36.180 what was being done to me, to, to realize, like, I knew I was a truth teller, but I had

00:21:41.920 to go through this performative thing and then have things come awake for me.

00:21:46.180 Like, no, wait, this is all part of a greater societal lie that's being shoved down all of our

00:21:52.680 throats.

00:21:52.960 It's, it's not just about Megyn Kelly.

00:21:54.700 It's about what they're doing to all of us right now.

00:21:57.660 And it took a lot of us, a couple of years, especially, I mean, I think the post George

00:22:02.920 Floyd of Palooza, as you put it, was, was part of the awakening where we're like, whoa,

00:22:08.340 there, these are crazy people we've been listening to that, that helped us all steal our spines.

00:22:13.880 And so I totally get your point.

00:22:15.980 It feels very authentic to me personally.

00:22:18.980 Well, yeah, thank you.

00:22:20.120 And a lot of people went through that similar journey.

00:22:22.920 Millions of moms and millions of parents would growing up, never want to be called racist

00:22:28.780 or have their kid be called racist.

00:22:30.320 And that word lost all of its meaning.

00:22:32.840 Obviously it got diluted beyond any sort of potency because they would call everything

00:22:37.240 racist.

00:22:37.600 They would say waking up early is white supremacy.

00:22:40.900 Remember the Smithsonian museum?

00:22:43.020 It, it is the most legendary and best example being where, yes, exactly.

00:22:47.500 The African-American, exactly.

00:22:48.960 The African-American history museum charted by the Smithsonian said, being on time, speaking

00:22:53.200 correctly, doing math, the scientific method.

00:22:55.480 They are all outgrowths of a white supremacist worldview.

00:22:59.120 I mean, at that point, you just have to say, okay, these people are insane.

00:23:04.280 This is a pathological mind virus that I don't want to attach myself to.

00:23:10.620 And then I also think there was this undercurrent of people that were called racist just for

00:23:15.900 breathing and existing, not for any action that you are inherently racist because the color

00:23:21.300 of your skin, that you are inherently racist if you are a white person.

00:23:24.440 So the majority of the country is inherently terrible.

00:23:27.300 Okay.

00:23:27.780 So then how do we reconcile it?

00:23:29.060 Oh, there is no way that you could actually ever get forgiveness.

00:23:31.560 You must be in a perpetual state of penance and bend the knee and redesign all of society

00:23:36.720 just because of criteria based on skin color.

00:23:39.920 So, well, that's tribalism.

00:23:41.980 That's not meritocracy.

00:23:43.600 And so I think we all went through this very healthy kind of opening of our eyes and all

00:23:49.820 the people that did scholarship on the CRT issue and the DEI issue deserve such credit

00:23:54.980 for showing us the Marxist roots and the fundamental toxins that were kind of undergirthing this.

00:24:02.600 And then we see, okay, we win an election presenting this to the American people and the president

00:24:07.980 acts on it.

00:24:08.800 But I do think it's important for people to remember we are in a profoundly better place

00:24:13.160 culturally than we were in 2018, 2019.

00:24:15.780 Our instinct and look at Pete Hegseth, it's a very interesting question.

00:24:20.120 And by the way, thank you for your support of Hegseth and Bobby.

00:24:22.640 I know we'll probably get to that.

00:24:24.040 But if Pete Hegseth would have come under similar criticism in 2017 for Trump's first cabinet,

00:24:29.700 does he survive?

00:24:31.100 I don't know.

00:24:32.120 I don't know if we had the metaphorical muscle as a conservative movement to do it.

00:24:37.360 I will say the one kind of trial by fire where we decided to stand up to the mob was

00:24:42.060 Brett Kavanaugh.

00:24:42.720 That was probably the beginning of a turning point.

00:24:45.420 We realized we were up against like completely like a nuts brigade of people that just want

00:24:50.800 to burn it all down.

00:24:51.860 But if Pete Hegseth would have become the secretary of defense in January 2017, when Trump just

00:24:57.420 got elected, I would conjecture he would have failed either a Senate vote or his nomination

00:25:02.620 would have gotten pulled, not because of on the merits, but because as a movement, we were

00:25:06.820 still being held hostage by the major networks, by the oligarchs, by the mass opinion of the

00:25:14.140 elites.

00:25:14.660 And look how far we've come for the better.

00:25:17.160 Look at this journey that we've been on now here in 2025.

00:25:20.480 And the president deserves credit for a lot of things.

00:25:23.260 But I know for me personally, I would imagine you to Megan him teaching all of us that when

00:25:27.780 you're under attack and you have done nothing wrong, you don't apologize.

00:25:32.200 You defend yourself and you double and triple down.

00:25:34.900 We'll go down as one of his greatest lessons that he helped communicate to millions of us.

00:25:40.340 A hundred percent.

00:25:41.180 So he is out there.

00:25:43.540 I'm going to I want to get into the details of this lawsuit because it's pretty amazing what

00:25:47.400 against the FAA as a result of Obama's policy put into place in 2013.

00:25:55.460 It's a it's a class action by aspiring air traffic controllers who were told they were too

00:26:02.460 white.

00:26:03.440 I mean, it's amazing.

00:26:04.540 It's been granted class action certification and it's going forward.

00:26:08.480 So Trump got out there yesterday and said the following.

00:26:11.340 Take a listen to that one.

00:26:13.540 We need the smartest people.

00:26:15.320 We need both psychologically smart and just brilliant, period.

00:26:19.120 And we are going to have them in our in our control towers.

00:26:22.480 We are going to have we are going to have the most competent people in the country in

00:26:27.020 our control towers, not people that are there for any other reason.

00:26:31.060 OK, so here's what happened in 2022.

00:26:34.020 A judge approved the class action status of this lawsuit filed in the U.S.

00:26:37.700 District Court of Columbia, D.C.

00:26:40.460 It was bought by brought by Colorado based Montana State's Legal Foundation, former Nevada Attorney

00:26:46.320 General Adam Laxalt, ran for Senate, is co-counsel, filed against the FAA.

00:26:53.380 And Laxalt is alleging that he represents nearly one thousand people who went to school to become

00:26:58.180 air traffic controllers in 2014, which you may remember was a time during which Barack Obama

00:27:03.600 was president. The individuals he represents passed the normal test right before the Obama

00:27:09.260 administration said the class was, quote, too white.

00:27:12.760 I'm quoting here from the complaint and threw out their tests, their successful tests because

00:27:18.540 they were too white.

00:27:19.600 Totally effing illegal.

00:27:21.640 The FAA put together a new test.

00:27:25.040 This quiz served as further screening of applicants who had already graduated from a 200 hour training

00:27:30.500 program and achieved high scores on the test, a grueling eight hour cognitive test that measures

00:27:36.120 each of the specific skills needed to do the job properly.

00:27:38.940 The new test was a biographical test test with the intent of adding more African-Americans

00:27:43.620 to the air traffic control pool.

00:27:45.100 It had never been used before.

00:27:46.480 The questionnaire sought irrelevant info, such as the college subject in which I received my

00:27:50.520 lowest grade. Those answering history, political science received 15 points, extra points.

00:27:58.660 Playing four or more sports in high school was worth five points.

00:28:02.900 By contrast, holding a pilot's license, a major advantage for an air traffic controller, was

00:28:07.840 worth only two points.

00:28:09.440 And having valuable experience as an air traffic controller in the military was worth no points

00:28:18.380 at all.

00:28:19.560 Lead plaintiff Andrew Brigida, Brigida, B-R-I-G-I-D-A, his application was turned down despite

00:28:27.240 achieving a perfect 100 percent score on the set.

00:28:32.240 I mean, on the test.

00:28:33.800 And the result of this, per the lawsuit, is that changes to the hiring process meant many

00:28:39.120 of these graduates began to be passed over in favor of applicants who had only graduated

00:28:43.120 from high school.

00:28:44.260 So it's crazy that Congress did force the FAA to drop this quiz in 2018.

00:28:51.600 And this is what we've been dealing with.

00:28:53.800 Again, this is no comment on the particular controller involved in this.

00:28:57.060 We have no idea who that person was or whether they did anything wrong or below standards.

00:29:00.780 But this is what we're dealing with here.

00:29:03.480 And this is why Trump is assuring people that we will have a full fledged investigation to

00:29:08.240 see whether any of this played a role and that this ends yesterday.

00:29:13.860 Yes.

00:29:14.420 And here's the really awesome part about winning the White House is now the FAA can settle

00:29:19.940 with these individuals and set a precedent, make them whole and change the policy permanently

00:29:26.080 throughout the entire agency.

00:29:27.500 And so where Biden would have had his Solicitor General and all of his little, you know, legal

00:29:32.700 gremlins go and fight in the courts, you know, for ad nauseum and try to get motions dismissed.

00:29:38.500 The Trump administration can now look at lawsuits like this.

00:29:41.220 By the way, there's thousands of such lawsuits.

00:29:43.320 And it's called the sue and settle strategy.

00:29:45.100 The left does it all the time, right?

00:29:46.340 So they'll sue the government with the intention of actually trying to get a settlement that

00:29:49.820 sets a precedent or a rule change or regulatory change that they would want.

00:29:54.080 And they would do this on immigration all the time.

00:29:56.260 Well, now the new Trump FAA, once he gets his FAA administrator, who I bet is just going

00:30:00.940 to be amazing.

00:30:01.860 And I bet the president will personally interview that person.

00:30:04.760 I could tell you not every political appointee was the president going to interview.

00:30:08.020 I bet the president is going to have tryouts for whoever's going to run the FAA.

00:30:11.060 I think you're going to have to go straight to the boss on that one is that they can then

00:30:14.560 work with the Department of Justice and say, hey, here's this lawsuit.

00:30:18.340 Number one, we didn't make all these people whole.

00:30:20.200 So we need to give them a settlement of some sort, some monetary settlement.

00:30:23.400 Number two, we can offer them jobs if that's actually what they want at this time.

00:30:25.820 Number three, let's go into all the documents and even further into discovery and then settle

00:30:31.060 and get this lawsuit so that all of this is fixed, that this is no longer going to be

00:30:36.000 happening anyway.

00:30:36.800 So that's the positives of winning such an election when you have very, very meritorious

00:30:43.720 lawsuits like this that are working their way through the courts.

00:30:46.760 Secondly, Megan, I do want to broaden this just for a second, that these hiring practices

00:30:51.460 are not just for air traffic controls.

00:30:53.420 We have this in the FBI.

00:30:55.300 We have this in the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:30:58.060 We have this in almost every single portion of government.

00:31:00.580 And the president deserves such credit over the last couple of weeks and his shock and

00:31:04.980 awe strategy flooding the zone.

00:31:06.960 Democrats do not even know.

00:31:09.320 They can't even remember what they're supposed to be mad about because Trump is moving so

00:31:12.600 fast.

00:31:13.140 They can't even remember the things that they're supposed to be angry about.

00:31:15.920 But the one where I think he deserves such enormous credit was his repeal of the executive

00:31:22.280 order that put affirmative action in the federal hiring practices.

00:31:25.900 That's been on the books since Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:31:29.420 Congress did not vote for it.

00:31:31.060 This had not come from the Senate.

00:31:32.560 It was a simple executive action, executive order.

00:31:35.260 Here it is.

00:31:35.640 And no one has dared question it.

00:31:37.360 President Trump got rid of all affirmative action or hiring practices, which now means we

00:31:41.560 have merit in every single agency.

00:31:44.120 Now, the implementation of that is going to be difficult.

00:31:47.440 It's going to be hard because they're so used to finding irrelevant criteria to grow

00:31:52.460 the bloat and the federal bureaucracy.

00:31:55.100 But that kind of moral courage.

00:31:57.980 And I'll tell you, if we would have had two Trump terms in a row, I don't know if we would

00:32:04.360 have had this.

00:32:05.060 I don't know.

00:32:05.580 I can't say either way.

00:32:06.920 Do I think if Trump had two if he had two terms uninterrupted, we'd be seeing a repeal

00:32:12.860 of affirmative action?

00:32:15.460 Probably unlikely.

00:32:16.740 I think the four years of exile was horrible for the country, but very, very good for the

00:32:21.680 president and his team to come out with such gusto, such spirit, such zeal and preparedness.

00:32:28.920 And so in some ways it was good.

00:32:31.680 It was good for us that President Trump had four years off because this makes the next four

00:32:36.260 years even better.

00:32:37.560 Absolutely.

00:32:38.220 He learned so much.

00:32:39.480 He retooled his whole team, his whole approach.

00:32:42.860 He watched what happened.

00:32:44.000 And then the Democratic Party truly lost its mind.

00:32:47.300 Not that they were reasonable under Obama.

00:32:49.080 As we point out, they were doing this stuff under him.

00:32:51.280 But they lost their ever loving minds.

00:32:54.740 And so the country got to see just how crazy they are and they were ready for Trump to come

00:33:01.080 back and implement all these things.

00:33:03.160 So not only does he come out, you heard him in that soundbite there, but he actually

00:33:06.720 also issued an executive action in response to the collision saying, first, he's going

00:33:11.060 to appoint a formal commission.

00:33:12.880 And he picked the guy to head it as the deputy administrator for the FAA.

00:33:16.640 He doesn't have a current FAA administrator.

00:33:18.360 So this guy, Christopher Rochelleau, will be the acting guy.

00:33:22.840 And secondly, he issued a memorandum ordering an immediate assessment of aviation safety

00:33:28.400 and an elevation of competence over DEI when it comes to air travel.

00:33:34.240 So that's excellent.

00:33:35.640 He also did the same thing, not for nothing.

00:33:37.540 He's been doing one of these kind of every other day.

00:33:39.220 But one yesterday spoke to what's happening in K through 12 schooling, you know, which

00:33:44.940 is it's about time.

00:33:46.580 Now, normally schooling is handled at the local level.

00:33:49.260 Normally, that's a state's issue and a local issue, which is why everybody should be voting

00:33:52.500 in their local school board elections and picking the right people.

00:33:56.320 But the feds can influence it.

00:33:58.100 And Biden's been doing exactly the opposite.

00:33:59.840 He's been incentivizing, shoving things like the 1619 project down the throats of K through

00:34:05.580 12 and college educators.

00:34:07.760 And now Trump is reversing all of that.

00:34:10.140 And it's just so beautifully said.

00:34:11.980 I have to say, like, I love whoever's writing this stuff.

00:34:15.340 And I know it's probably different people, a lot of Stephen Miller in here.

00:34:17.660 But this one, I'll just read you in part what he wrote on the K through 12 ending radical

00:34:23.940 indoctrination in K through 12 schooling, EO, signed Wednesday.

00:34:26.560 In recent years, parents have witnessed schools indoctrinate their children in radical anti-American

00:34:31.200 ideologies while deliberately blocking parental oversight.

00:34:34.980 Such an environment operates as an echo chamber in which students are forced to accept these

00:34:38.740 ideologies without question or critical examination.

00:34:41.460 In many cases, innocent children are compelled to adopt identities as either victims or oppressors

00:34:46.400 solely based on their skin color or other immutable characteristics.

00:34:50.400 In other instances, young men and women are made to question whether they're

00:34:53.940 they were born in the wrong body or whether to view their parents and their reality as

00:34:58.080 enemies to be blamed.

00:34:59.660 These practices not only erode critical thinking, but also sow division, confusion and distrust,

00:35:03.820 which undermine the very foundations of personal identity and family unity.

00:35:08.080 My administration will enforce the law to ensure the recipients of federal funds providing

00:35:11.880 K through 12 education comply with all applicable laws prohibiting discrimination in various

00:35:16.060 contexts, parenting or protecting parental rights.

00:35:21.120 Oh, I mean, shoot it in my veins, Charlie.

00:35:24.400 I know.

00:35:25.220 I mean, and again, I'm sure we'll get to it, but the ending gender mutilation one, the chemical

00:35:30.180 castration one, that one, two combo.

00:35:32.700 I mean, this is exactly what we worked for.

00:35:35.080 This is why you spoke at the rallies, why I worked as hard as I did for executive orders

00:35:40.000 just like this.

00:35:41.420 Now, the challenge is going to be not just implementing it, but making sure that schools are following

00:35:47.560 it.

00:35:47.740 And this is where the money is going to come in, where it's that if you are going to continue

00:35:51.600 to do the CRT, DEI, gender insanity stuff, there will not be federal funding for your

00:35:57.700 school.

00:35:57.980 So choose which one is it exactly.

00:35:59.740 And remember how cruel Biden was on the transgender stuff for K through 12 schools?

00:36:06.440 He was so cruel that he was even holding back school assisted lunch for kids.

00:36:13.340 If they did not allow men to come into female locker rooms in high schools, this was a lesser

00:36:19.760 reported.

00:36:20.540 I remember you tweeted about it at the time, but they were holding back federal funding

00:36:24.300 for this.

00:36:24.900 What the president is doing is he is sending education back to the states, empowering parents

00:36:30.600 and getting rid of the central planning from the Biden administration, where they wanted

00:36:36.600 to try to spread all of the most radical ideologies imaginable into our K through 12 schools included

00:36:43.300 in that executive order.

00:36:44.480 Megan is also the reestablishment of the 1776 commission, which is a very exciting project,

00:36:50.940 which promotes patriotic education.

00:36:53.140 It is establishing a committee for the 250th birthday of America to celebrate our country.

00:36:58.660 So as we are no longer funding the bad stuff, we want to elevate the good stuff, which is

00:37:03.840 our country is a great country, one with a lot of potential, with, of course, some things

00:37:08.420 in our past that we need to deal with.

00:37:10.120 But we're still the greatest nation ever to exist.

00:37:12.780 We are a people that with a great bravery and great courage that have overcome difficulty

00:37:17.020 better than any other nation in the history of the planet.

00:37:19.940 And we need to teach our kids that we need to teach our kids to be proud of our country

00:37:23.640 and thankful to be in our country, to have gratitude when you view the United States

00:37:27.720 of America, not contempt or bitterness.

00:37:30.760 And so the 1619 project, which was, again, it was, it was really ascendant during that

00:37:38.420 2020, 2021 period, is going to be put to rest.

00:37:41.920 Thanks to, again, another amazing executive action and order from the president, which,

00:37:47.900 and again, we're only, we're not even two weeks into this yet.

00:37:50.840 It's amazing.

00:37:51.400 It's beyond my wildest expectations.

00:37:52.760 Question for you, as somebody who's close to team Trump, is there any intention to try

00:37:57.520 to codify any of this into law?

00:38:01.180 Because of course the worry is, and I love the bet.

00:38:04.300 I mean, I get the bet.

00:38:05.260 And without a willingness, like we don't have 60 votes in the Senate, we, you know, we only

00:38:09.320 have 53, but without a willingness to pass it into law, at least we'll get the executive

00:38:13.500 orders, which then will show the American people through four years of living without this

00:38:18.220 mania, what life can be like, raising patriotic children, you know, not eschewing religion

00:38:24.740 everywhere and anywhere and letting DEI become their new religion, not transing children who

00:38:30.140 may just be a little depressed because their parents got a divorce.

00:38:33.400 Like ideally they'll see what life can be like without that lunacy.

00:38:37.480 And the next president will be handicapped to revert back to Biden's ways if it were a Democrat.

00:38:43.640 But it's much better if we can actually have laws on the books protecting women's sports.

00:38:49.600 And I know that is one that's moving through, though.

00:38:51.700 I've got bad information, like upsetting information about whether that's going to get a vote in the

00:38:56.760 Senate.

00:38:57.260 So I don't know whether Trump can do a lot of this legislatively.

00:39:00.340 What are they saying about trying to make these EOs into something more?

00:39:05.120 Well, I can definitely say on first and foremost immigration, that you're going to see dramatic

00:39:09.280 action to try to make the immigration executive orders permanent and have legislative assistance

00:39:15.720 and support from funding from no more.

00:39:18.820 The sanctuary city thing has to be addressed once and for all.

00:39:21.640 The fact that we have cities that are under the United States of America that are receiving

00:39:25.660 federal funding that use our dollar and are part of our country to say, oh, we don't like

00:39:30.000 that federal law.

00:39:30.780 We're going to actively resist it.

00:39:32.380 That is insubordination and potentially treason against the United States.

00:39:36.060 So we have to come up with an even sharper legislative tool to go after any of these

00:39:41.560 sanctuary cities.

00:39:42.860 But yes, look, the debate right now is do you want two bills or one big, beautiful bill?

00:39:48.780 I think they're trending towards one big, beautiful bill based on all public reports.

00:39:53.080 And in it is going to be a lot of these issues.

00:39:56.340 And we need to think to ourselves, OK, what does that look like?

00:39:59.220 Well, I would love to see Congress go big and say that we are outlawing any sort of gender

00:40:04.900 transition surgery or therapy for people under the age of 18.

00:40:08.340 I think we should go really big.

00:40:10.280 And whether or not Republicans will go along with that, we'll see.

00:40:14.020 But the president has the moral clarity to sign that executive order with the president

00:40:17.780 signed to protect our children against this transgender mafia, against these medieval

00:40:24.100 witch doctors that are chopping off these kids' breasts is maximally what a president

00:40:29.280 can do on this issue.

00:40:30.340 I mean, it was so robust.

00:40:31.820 It is so thorough.

00:40:33.280 Don't be shocked if some of it gets struck down in court because it is so good that the

00:40:37.200 left is going to come back twice as hard because it goes at it goes at the jugular of this

00:40:42.460 moral crime that has been occurring in our country over the last couple of years.

00:40:47.280 Secondly, I mean, we could go through the litany of issues.

00:40:50.080 We would love to see the Department of Education closed.

00:40:52.600 Now, whether or not Congress has an appetite for that remains to be seen.

00:40:55.840 But the president campaigned on that.

00:40:57.640 He has said it he wants to send it back to the states, which is where it belongs on energy.

00:41:03.880 I think we'll be able to get some good legislative action to further open up drilling and bring

00:41:09.340 down the price of oil and the price of natural gas, which will, of course, help with inflation.

00:41:14.980 But the big one I think you're going to see is immigration.

00:41:18.060 I think that is the big one, because we have to make sure that, God forbid, another Democrat

00:41:21.860 president comes in the future.

00:41:23.080 We can't have a third world jailbreak like we did under Joe Biden, where we become the

00:41:27.640 dumping ground of the entire world.

00:41:29.720 We have 100 different countries coming across our border and millions of people.

00:41:33.140 We have no idea who they are.

00:41:34.780 We have to make sure that we have permanent border security, regardless of who is president

00:41:40.000 of the United States.

00:41:40.720 Before we wrap the hour, I just want to go back to that Trump presser yesterday in response

00:41:47.420 to the plane crash and just give the audience a flavor for some of the Trump moments and

00:41:52.000 some of the ridiculous journalistic, in quotes, moments.

00:41:55.960 It's worth watching.

00:41:57.080 First, here's Trump with a snarky response to a stupid question.

00:42:01.660 Take a listen.

00:42:02.360 Sot two.

00:42:02.700 Do you have a plan to go visit the site?

00:42:07.460 I have a plan to visit, not the site, because what did you tell me?

00:42:12.380 What's the site?

00:42:13.140 The water?

00:42:13.740 Or to meet with the first responder?

00:42:16.320 Do you want me to go swimming?

00:42:18.460 It's just he's in classic form right now, Charlie.

00:42:21.300 He like he's had it.

00:42:22.360 You know, I have to say, following him and knowing him for almost a decade, he just he

00:42:29.900 doesn't seem as if he's intimidated by the office at all, that it's too big for him.

00:42:34.860 He's just in the moment.

00:42:36.360 He's ready.

00:42:37.500 He has an answer for every question.

00:42:39.500 And what a contrast from the, you know, the prior administration that we just closed the

00:42:43.880 door on.

00:42:44.620 And it looks as if he's having fun.

00:42:47.160 Again, this is a tragedy.

00:42:48.420 This last thing, I think this has been a tough moment for all of us.

00:42:52.880 And again, the president just looks ticked off, not as at his agencies or anything, just

00:42:58.000 ticked off at the situation, as he should be.

00:43:00.440 By the way, a president should get mad when a lot of people die in a preventable way, meaning

00:43:05.480 that this this was not a natural disaster.

00:43:09.060 This was not a hurricane.

00:43:10.580 This was human beings that were doing things that were either wrong, incorrect, incomplete,

00:43:17.780 not properly trained.

00:43:19.000 But yes, the president is in great fighting form right now.

00:43:22.360 OK, so here's another one.

00:43:23.500 Caitlin Collins got up and asked a question and may have lived to regret it.

00:43:27.720 Sop 3.

00:43:29.500 You haven't yet know the names of the 67 people who were killed.

00:43:32.820 And you are blaming Democrats and DEI policies and air traffic control and seemingly the member

00:43:38.700 of the U.S. military who was flying that Black Hawk helicopter.

00:43:41.380 Don't you think you're getting ahead of the investigation right now?

00:43:43.640 No, I don't think so at all.

00:43:44.800 I don't think we're the names of the people.

00:43:46.680 You mean the names of the people that are on the plane?

00:43:50.280 You think that's going to make a difference?

00:43:51.980 They are a group of people that have lost their lives.

00:43:56.020 If you want a list of the names, we can give you that.

00:43:58.420 We'll be giving that very soon.

00:43:59.780 We're in coordination with American Airlines.

00:44:02.040 We're in coordination very strongly, obviously, with the military.

00:44:04.860 But I think that's not a very smart question.

00:44:07.860 I'm surprised coming from you.

00:44:11.840 And I have to defend the president here.

00:44:14.360 He actually did not blame DEI for the crash.

00:44:17.580 He blamed DEI for a dropping in the excellence of aviation standards.

00:44:23.300 So he used it to make a broader macro point.

00:44:26.340 He did not say that there were individual specifics around it.

00:44:29.700 But he did say that I, as president, am getting rid of any risk that things like this will

00:44:35.500 happen in the future because DEI will lead to things like this in the future.

00:44:38.900 So, again, it's a complete misrepresentation by CNN and the major networks, which you would

00:44:42.760 expect.

00:44:43.800 Yeah, what a shock.

00:44:44.700 Here is Trump responding to Pete Buttigieg, who made a similar allegation as the one you

00:44:49.900 just debunked.

00:44:50.840 Here he is.

00:44:52.460 The FAA, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

00:44:57.560 A real winner.

00:44:59.540 That guy's a real winner.

00:45:00.580 Do you know how badly everything's run since he's run the Department of Transportation?

00:45:04.980 He's a disaster.

00:45:07.220 He was a disaster as a mayor.

00:45:09.700 He ran his city into the ground, and he's a disaster now.

00:45:13.740 He's just got a good line of bullshit.

00:45:16.700 The Department of Transportation, his government agency charged with regulating civil aviation.

00:45:23.080 Well, he runs it, 45,000 people, and he's run it right into the ground with his diversity.

00:45:30.220 It's pretty amazing.

00:45:31.640 I mean, first of all, to your point, we just had a president who couldn't walk across a room.

00:45:36.940 I know.

00:45:37.340 The big boy steps are now back on Air Force One, and there's a big boy in the actual chair

00:45:42.400 who shows up at the White House press briefing, takes the questions himself, fires off at the

00:45:47.800 reporters, gives his real opinion, says bullshit if that's what he thinks.

00:45:52.620 I mean, it's very raw, and it's very honest.

00:45:56.060 You can tell the guy's giving us his unvarnished opinion on almost everything.

00:46:00.640 He knows where to draw the line.

00:46:02.480 President Trump does know not to reveal classified information, what he can and cannot say, what's

00:46:07.320 appropriate, but he, this is, it's just so refreshing.

00:46:12.720 It is, and I want to reiterate a point, which is that he super ticked and angry, and he, remember,

00:46:20.080 he's a builder.

00:46:21.200 Do you remember Trump owned an airline for some time?

00:46:23.900 He's not new to these sorts of concepts.

00:46:26.260 He wants a country that works.

00:46:28.240 If you go back into 2015 and 2016, a common theme when he was originally running for president

00:46:33.560 was, our airports are falling apart, we can't build bridges, our roads are a disaster.

00:46:38.780 He cares deeply about transportation.

00:46:40.960 He cares deeply about equipment.

00:46:43.460 And you could look at Pete Buttigieg, he's like, and look at this mess that you just handed

00:46:46.540 me.

00:46:47.100 He's like, I got enough stuff to fix, and now we are a laughingstock of the entire planet.

00:46:52.600 And that's basically what he's saying there, is that Pete Buttigieg, with his line of BS

00:46:56.600 talking about racist roads and equity in transportation.

00:46:59.600 And America, at its best, has always been the leader in such transportation.

00:47:04.940 We were the first in flight.

00:47:06.760 We got to the moon first.

00:47:08.440 We are the ones that helped build the railroads.

00:47:11.100 And so we should be the world's leader in transportation.

00:47:14.060 And I think the president, if I were to infer, I can't say this under anything else, I think

00:47:18.820 the president is really ticked because it doesn't make America look good on the world stage.

00:47:24.360 There were Russians and Chinese that died here.

00:47:26.300 And it's unacceptable, and he believes that.

00:47:29.200 And again, I thought Duffy did an amazing job in the press conference, whereas this

00:47:33.780 is largely the transportation agenda that we've inherited from Mr. Buttigieg.

00:47:38.420 Of course.

00:47:39.340 I mean, who could realistically blame this on Sean Duffy and Donald Trump?

00:47:43.840 It's like they've been in office for two hot minutes.

00:47:46.120 And it's really like, and by the way, we don't know whether Buttigieg's and his policies are

00:47:52.340 to blame either.

00:47:53.080 What Trump was basically saying was, your car had a massive accident, and when I opened up

00:47:57.360 the hood to see what was under there, it was a disaster.

00:48:00.500 I don't know whether it was this engine that was behind the actual car crash, but your car

00:48:04.840 is a disaster.

00:48:06.300 I've looked under the hood, and there's so much for me to do here.

00:48:09.100 And I resent you weighing in, Pete Buttigieg, at all, because you helped create a lot of the

00:48:13.920 problems in this department.

00:48:15.260 What's amazing, too, I have to say is, so you got Trump, who, again, we see him at the

00:48:19.680 Oval Office taking questions from reporters on night one, just like firing back and forth

00:48:23.500 very casually.

00:48:24.780 I don't think there's been a day that he hasn't put himself out there publicly.

00:48:27.660 Correct.

00:48:28.140 You got Marco Rubio.

00:48:30.120 When I interviewed him at State yesterday, I just went over to State.

00:48:32.720 We sat down in the State studio together.

00:48:34.720 Boom.

00:48:35.040 Here's an hour.

00:48:35.600 No problem.

00:48:36.080 And he's off on his first trip as Secretary of State.

00:48:39.380 Pete Hegseth, from his desk at DOD, is commenting on the fact that we're going to put some of

00:48:48.440 these illegals down at Gitmo and on the airplane crash.

00:48:51.640 Like, have we ever seen the defense secretary just kind of firing off his thoughts from ... It's

00:48:58.020 just ... It's what RFK said his policies would be, radical transparency at every level.

00:49:04.340 I really think the American people are going to receive this extremely well.

00:49:08.040 Oh, I agree.

00:49:10.660 And I know we're short on time here, but just look at how social media savvy and how they're

00:49:17.840 almost designed for social media.

00:49:19.260 I mean, this is going to be an administration that will reach tens of millions of people,

00:49:22.760 Bobby Kennedy doing health, Tulsi Gabbard hopefully at DNI, you know, Cash Patel FBI,

00:49:28.380 Pete Hegseth with his sleeves rolled up as DOD secretary.

00:49:31.620 I mean, come on, this is a new age digital administration that is willing to articulate,

00:49:39.500 defend, and promote the agenda that the president has put forward.

00:49:44.220 I'm super excited for it.

00:49:45.400 I thought the same thing, where it just looks as if there's energy, there's spark.

00:49:49.500 And these are people that have done a lot in their life that are ready to govern the country.

00:49:55.460 I couldn't be more excited.

00:49:56.580 These are not your typical Washington bureaucrats that Biden would pick.

00:50:00.020 These are change makers qualified with the energy to save the country.

00:50:04.020 And they're working together, you know, between Hegseth and Kristi Noem at the border,

00:50:09.380 Hegseth and Duffy on the transportation.

00:50:12.760 Like, you can feel it.

00:50:14.160 It's just, there's a, it's a, it's a new dawn.

00:50:17.100 And I think American, the American public is going to be very grateful.

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00:51:52.520 So yesterday we had hearings for Kash Patel, Tulsi Gabbard, and the second day for RFKJ.

00:52:03.200 I sat in for an hour plus of the Tulsi hearing, and it was rather disheartening.

00:52:08.720 I did not feel encouraged about her chances by the time I was done.

00:52:11.880 But then later I felt encouraged when I heard what Susan Collins, who is this, you know, kind

00:52:19.020 of Democrat masquerading as a Republican from Maine, said about her impressions.

00:52:24.380 I mean, Trump lost her on Hegseth.

00:52:27.000 I don't think he's going to get her on RFKJ.

00:52:29.360 I don't know.

00:52:30.500 But here's what I saw when she cross-examined Tulsi yesterday.

00:52:35.320 Let's start there.

00:52:36.080 Look at this exchange in SOT 9.

00:52:38.020 Have you ever knowingly met with any members, leaders, or affiliates of Hezbollah?

00:52:49.820 No, and it is an absurd accusation.

00:52:54.860 Okay, so there's Tulsi pushing back on her.

00:52:58.200 The cross-examination by Susan Collins wasn't particularly aggressive, but it kind of sounded

00:53:02.760 like that.

00:53:03.320 You could argue that she was just giving her a chance to respond to the things that have

00:53:07.160 been alleged about her, but you could hear Tulsi sort of taking issue with even the suggestion.

00:53:12.700 Well, after the fact, Collins said, I was happy with her responses to my questions.

00:53:20.580 That, too, is a little ambiguous.

00:53:22.520 What does that mean?

00:53:23.160 Like, you were happy she fully answered them?

00:53:25.220 Or you liked what you heard?

00:53:28.080 But I think it's somewhat positive.

00:53:29.840 Net-net, I don't think she would have used the word happy if she were going to vote against

00:53:33.880 her.

00:53:34.620 Now, that doesn't answer the question of whether Tulsi gets through, because there were a lot

00:53:39.360 of Republican senators there who seemed not like fans of Tulsi's.

00:53:45.480 Cornyn of Texas, Lankford of Oklahoma, they did not seem like fans, Charlie.

00:53:50.940 And she certainly had a few Democrats who seemed very against her.

00:53:54.880 So what do you think is going to happen with Tulsi?

00:53:57.700 So a couple of thoughts on this.

00:54:00.820 I will defend Susan Collins.

00:54:02.900 She represents a very, very difficult state.

00:54:05.760 She's almost always there when we need her.

00:54:08.480 And that's an important thing.

00:54:10.000 And so I think she's getting the call of like, hey, we might need you for this one.

00:54:13.600 Understand, we did not need her for Hegseth.

00:54:15.560 And so, I mean, of course, we got to a tie.

00:54:18.000 We had J.D. Vance break the tie.

00:54:19.200 Pete Hegseth is now the secretary of defense.

00:54:21.040 And she represents a goofy state.

00:54:22.960 For some of these other senators that represent deep red states, there is no excuse and there

00:54:28.660 is no place to hide.

00:54:29.960 But let's understand what she's actually trying to become or what she's applying for.

00:54:34.420 The director of national intelligence.

00:54:37.060 This is a relatively new role.

00:54:38.840 It hasn't been around for very long.

00:54:40.380 It was created post 9-11 to actually be the connective tissue between all of the intelligence

00:54:46.560 agencies.

00:54:47.340 It actually is above the central intelligence agency, above the CIA.

00:54:51.480 It has power that has not really been exercised for quite some time.

00:54:56.280 DNI is the custodian of the nation's secrets.

00:55:01.080 It is the keeper of secrets from all the things that our government is doing that they don't

00:55:05.800 want us to always know what they're doing.

00:55:07.920 And the most pressing, of course, that matters to those of us that are Trump supporters is,

00:55:12.080 is there another soft coup being run through five eyes to try to thwart a sitting president

00:55:16.880 of the United States, like what happened during the first administration during Russiagate

00:55:20.820 with Christopher Steele and the dirty dossier to spy on President Trump, to try to go after

00:55:25.320 him and using the FBI and using secret skips and using outside firms like Fusion GPS is

00:55:32.240 something like that happening again.

00:55:33.920 And the director of national intelligence will be able to tell you yes or no, and stop it

00:55:39.000 if it's actually happening in real time.

00:55:41.520 Tulsi Gabbard is an extraordinary person.

00:55:43.680 Her vet file came back like clean, clean, clean.

00:55:46.520 She actively has a top level security clearance, a TSSCI.

00:55:50.900 She serves in the military.

00:55:52.720 She was a former Democrat, which makes this even more interesting because she has been

00:55:57.600 so focused on trying to reorient American, American foreign policy to a America first

00:56:05.120 standpoint, not one of neo-globalist internationalist wars and nation building at every single corner

00:56:11.300 and every turn.

00:56:12.120 Now, why is it that her confirmation is the hardest of all of them?

00:56:16.140 Well, because the intel agencies are so resistant to any change.

00:56:21.280 And a lot of these senators, to be perfectly honest, have been fed BS by these intel agencies

00:56:26.000 for so long and acting as if that they've done nothing wrong and we can't reform them

00:56:31.400 and it's jeopardizing national security.

00:56:33.760 Well, on the other side of it, how much damage has our intel agencies done?

00:56:39.020 We invaded Iraq wrongly, by the way, because of faulty intelligence on weapons of mass destruction.

00:56:44.860 We got involved in Libya, something we never should have gotten involved in, which turned

00:56:48.660 in the Libyan civil war because we were told Muammar Gaddafi is like the worst person on

00:56:53.200 the planet.

00:56:53.600 Or how about all the faulty intelligence in the Russian-Ukrainian war or the faulty

00:56:57.520 intelligence that we've seen all across the Middle East and Syria or in parts of Lebanon?

00:57:03.880 What Tulsi Gabbard wants to do is restore the integrity of the nation's intelligence

00:57:08.400 service.

00:57:09.320 Now, there's some interesting elements in here, and I've been really hammering this unsuccessfully,

00:57:13.320 by the way, I think it's outrageous that they're not doing this vote in public.

00:57:17.660 It is the only agency official where I think the CIA may be, but that one wasn't as controversial

00:57:23.180 where they go into a SCIF, a secure compartmentalized information facility, and they do this vote

00:57:29.540 outside of the public eye.

00:57:31.260 And I think that's outrageous.

00:57:32.700 I think when you're trying to elect somebody who's a lifelong transparency advocate and you're

00:57:38.540 going to go into a secret facility and we can't see how the actual members vote, I find

00:57:44.100 that to be repulsive.

00:57:45.160 I think people should be incensed about that.

00:57:47.540 I think that our elected officials should not operate in the shadows, that they should

00:57:51.620 tell you how they vote.

00:57:53.520 And so just to reiterate, when they actually end up voting for Tulsi Gabbard, this will

00:57:59.380 not be like how they vote for Bobby Kennedy, where they sit out and they say, I, I, may,

00:58:04.640 I, okay, the ayes have it, goes out of committee.

00:58:06.420 They go into a secret room where no cell phones, no staff, only members are allowed in a secure

00:58:13.540 compartment, compartmentalized information facility.

00:58:16.060 And they'll say, well, what do we think about Tulsi?

00:58:18.480 And they'll take the vote and they could decide to make the results public, or they could lie

00:58:24.140 about the results, or they could do vote trading.

00:58:27.240 I mean, I think the front page of a certain newspaper says democracy dies in darkness.

00:58:32.460 Hey, Washington Post, any interest in this one, where our elected senators are going into

00:58:37.980 a skiff to go determine the future of who is the custodian of our nation's secrets is

00:58:42.780 if that is not darkness, what is darkness?

00:58:45.700 Because we don't know how Mike Rounds is going to vote or Todd Young, please.

00:58:49.120 Yes.

00:58:49.840 The risk in them doing it is, you know, what we think is that if she, if they sink her

00:58:53.840 nomination, it will be the Republicans who sink her.

00:58:56.300 I mean, that's, that's, what's going to happen here because they have the majority and

00:58:58.840 we won't know, but they were even harder on her yesterday than the Dems.

00:59:02.300 Honestly, it was like, it was tough to find somebody who sounded like they were going

00:59:06.380 to defend her.

00:59:07.260 She handled herself beautifully.

00:59:09.400 I mean, she was articulate and poised and strong and unflappable.

00:59:14.740 It was to the point where I was there and I brought my assistant, Abby, who comes with

00:59:18.520 me pretty much everywhere.

00:59:19.720 And Abby's got two young daughters.

00:59:21.160 And she said, I'm going to make my daughters watch this.

00:59:23.140 I want them to see this.

00:59:24.180 She always looks for strong, articulate women so she can show her young girls, look at that.

00:59:29.640 Like, that's possible.

00:59:30.600 You can be that.

00:59:31.280 And that's so great.

00:59:32.220 That's how strong she was.

00:59:34.000 She never, never lost her cool.

00:59:36.540 I mean, it was actually an example in how to handle yourself, but there was absolutely

00:59:41.700 no warmth coming her way from the other side of the aisle.

00:59:43.780 I mean, I should mean, I mean, across the hearing room, whether you were on the left or

00:59:47.380 the right.

00:59:47.940 So I left worried.

00:59:49.000 And my pal, Glenn Greenwald, who's a big Tulsi advocate, is worried too.

00:59:54.160 And I just don't even know what to do to help her, Charlie.

00:59:56.380 I don't, I'm not sure how.

00:59:57.660 Well, so we have, we have to keep the one element of hope is that the chairman of the

01:00:02.840 Senate Intel Committee is Tom Cotton.

01:00:05.320 He has voice support and he went on Sean.

01:00:07.360 Yeah, he went on Sean Hannity's program and he said that he thinks Tulsi is going to get

01:00:11.740 confirmed.

01:00:12.540 So here is my hope.

01:00:13.920 My hope is that senators who really don't like Tulsi are going to go in this skiff and

01:00:20.040 they're going to feel all the public pressure and they'll say, guys, let's just vote to

01:00:24.000 put her on the floor.

01:00:25.060 Now understand you can vote for her in committee and then vote against her in the floor, which

01:00:29.240 is probably the deal that they're brokering with Susan Collins, to be perfectly honest,

01:00:32.500 right?

01:00:32.820 That they say, hey, just get her out of committee.

01:00:35.220 Now, once it's on the floor, there is no skiff.

01:00:37.960 There's no hiding.

01:00:38.860 That is in public.

01:00:39.920 My hope is that the senators will all talk a really, really good game, but when that

01:00:45.880 roll call actually starts to come, that they might falter.

01:00:49.600 So we have a 53 Senate majority, which, so you kind of go with this.

01:00:53.740 Okay.

01:00:53.880 McConnell is probably a no because he's just the worst.

01:00:58.200 Let's just say that, uh, John Curtis from Utah is a no that gets us down to 51.

01:01:03.340 So you can lose one more.

01:01:04.740 Will Susan Collins come through for us in the end?

01:01:07.380 Will Murkowski come through for us?

01:01:09.100 Well, how will Lankford vote?

01:01:11.160 How will Todd young vote?

01:01:12.600 We don't know, but this, yeah, Cornyn, I think Cornyn will end up voting for her.

01:01:16.700 Oh, look, if Cornyn does not vote for her, he is done in tech.

01:01:20.320 No, he is done in Texas, by the way, if he does not vote for her, vote for Bobby Kennedy.

01:01:24.460 And that's not a veiled threat.

01:01:25.960 I can tell right now there's very well-funded opposition that is being mounted.

01:01:29.060 He's in a deep red state.

01:01:31.200 He's already in a lot of ways, deeply unpopular.

01:01:33.600 We've said at turning point action that if you oppose president Trump's nominees and you are

01:01:37.820 from one of these red states, we are going to fund a primary challenge against you.

01:01:41.460 We've been very open about that.

01:01:43.580 And in fact, we were unafraid to issue those kinds of salvos during the whole Pete Hegseth

01:01:48.600 situation in December and obviously helped contribute to the reversal and the pivot from

01:01:54.840 that.

01:01:55.100 I mean, Pete Hegseth went down from like a one to 2% chance of becoming secretary of defense

01:01:58.800 to now just doing an extraordinary job.

01:02:01.340 So I don't want to say, OK, what is the percentage chance of Tulsi advancing?

01:02:06.280 If she gets out of committee, her chances will improve dramatically.

01:02:10.080 Her fight is in the committee, which, of course, happens in the shadows and in the darkness.

01:02:15.060 All right.

01:02:15.600 Let's talk about RFKJ.

01:02:16.940 So I didn't get to the soundbite yesterday, but there was a pretty extraordinary.

01:02:20.200 There were a couple of extraordinary exchanges in his day two in front of the health committee

01:02:26.780 confirmation hearing.

01:02:28.480 He had to go through two.

01:02:29.940 And Rand Paul is just a star.

01:02:31.840 I mean, he like good luck challenging Rand Paul on medical issues.

01:02:35.700 Just ask Dr. Fauci how that went.

01:02:38.620 Rand Paul is one of the reasons Dr. Fauci felt he needed a pardon, because it seemed clear

01:02:42.940 that Dr. Fauci lied to Rand Paul's face repeatedly while under oath about his gain of function,

01:02:49.440 uh, involvement and so on.

01:02:51.180 And Rand Paul just knew the questions to ask Dr. Fauci during the relevant time.

01:02:55.280 He's been very fearless.

01:02:56.780 Um, so he used his time at this confirmation hearing to respond to Senator Cassidy, who

01:03:03.220 also is a doctor and Senator Cassidy of Louisiana.

01:03:06.800 Cassidy's a problem.

01:03:07.760 He's a problem.

01:03:08.540 He's a problem.

01:03:09.200 He's a pivotal, pivotal vote on this.

01:03:11.360 So I'm going to set it up by showing you Cassidy and RFKJ on vaccines.

01:03:16.020 And then I'm going to show Rand Paul using his time to respond to it.

01:03:20.020 I mean, it may all come down to this.

01:03:21.540 So take a look at Cassidy in SOC 20.

01:03:24.680 If you are approved to this decision, to this position, will you say unequivocally, will

01:03:32.240 you, will you reassure mothers unequivocally and without qualification that the measles

01:03:38.900 and hepatitis B vaccines do not cause autism?

01:03:41.460 Senator, I am not going into the agency with any reasons.

01:03:45.960 Well, that's kind of a yes or no question because, so if you're, because the data is

01:03:51.900 there and that, that's kind of a yes or no.

01:03:54.020 And I don't mean to cut you off, but that really is a yes or no.

01:03:56.980 If the data is there, I will absolutely do that.

01:04:01.020 Now there is the data just because I used to, I used to do hepatitis B, as I've said.

01:04:05.520 I know the data is there.

01:04:07.680 Well, then, then I will be the first person.

01:04:11.040 If you show me data, I will be the first person to assure the American people to take, that

01:04:17.660 they need to take those vaccines.

01:04:19.980 So in response to that, here's Rand Paul, SOC 21.

01:04:24.220 The reason you have distrust from people at home, why they don't believe anything you

01:04:27.620 say, they don't believe government at all, is you're telling my kids to take a hepatitis

01:04:31.800 B vaccine when he's one day old.

01:04:33.440 You get it through drug use and sexually transmitted.

01:04:36.920 That's how you get hepatitis B.

01:04:38.860 For the record, if a child is born to a hepatitis B mother, that child may have a 95% chance

01:04:44.580 of becoming a chronic carrier.

01:04:46.560 And we vaccinate those people and nobody's against that.

01:04:49.680 That's a very small percentage in the red area.

01:04:52.420 That is not what we're talking about.

01:04:54.460 99.9% of kids don't have a hepatitis B mom.

01:04:57.920 And could they wait a while?

01:04:59.320 Could they get vaccinated three months or a year?

01:05:01.320 Yes.

01:05:01.700 I mean, that's what Rand Paul understands.

01:05:05.920 But this Bill Cassidy is being so stupid.

01:05:09.580 We test for hepatitis B in utero.

01:05:11.700 So we know if the mom has hepatitis B, that's how we're talking about.

01:05:16.180 It is a, it is a mandatory, like minute one vaccination in certain states.

01:05:20.960 Thankfully, in Arizona, even the nurses are like smart decision.

01:05:25.720 We say no hepatitis B, because I mean, it has lost all trust and credibility in the rank

01:05:30.520 and file.

01:05:31.000 A lot of progress is made on that one.

01:05:32.720 But, but this is a deeper question.

01:05:35.820 Can we even criticize the child vaccination schedule at all?

01:05:38.820 Like, you're trying to tell me I have to give my eight-month son the COVID vaccine?

01:05:44.880 Why?

01:05:45.540 Prove it to me.

01:05:46.540 No, I'm not doing that.

01:05:48.780 So Senator Cassidy should really, I mean, again, I hope he comes and votes for Bobby Kennedy,

01:05:54.340 but he should be challenged as well.

01:05:56.840 The childhood vaccination schedule is become insane.

01:06:00.920 And I can say this as a father of two kids, the rapidity and also what they are vaccinating

01:06:07.000 for are things that I think, A, are not necessary to be inoculated against always.

01:06:14.660 I mean, chicken pox is debatable.

01:06:15.920 I had chicken pox growing up.

01:06:16.960 I can understand the argument both ways.

01:06:18.440 But what is the safety and the efficacy of these vaccines?

01:06:21.760 Is it necessary?

01:06:23.160 Is it, do you have to go through the entire schedule?

01:06:25.280 Are there any side effects?

01:06:26.840 And it almost gets to this place where it's like, we shall never question vaccines.

01:06:31.260 They're nothing but great.

01:06:32.400 Megan, I'm sure you know people that have been vaccine injured.

01:06:34.960 And it's a very serious thing.

01:06:36.640 And they are treated as if they are like modern day cultural lepers.

01:06:40.960 They're not allowed to be talked to.

01:06:43.120 You're not allowed to be considered.

01:06:44.540 And the COVID vaccine in particular, we had Nancy Mace who came out and said that she's

01:06:49.360 had health problems that have never changed since she got the COVID vaccine.

01:06:54.120 And we were told that it was safe and effective.

01:06:55.720 And yet, when we look at all these studies that they reference, it turns out that there's

01:07:00.520 a lot of corruption in the medical and scientific literature.

01:07:03.340 A lot of these pharmaceutical companies are funding these studies.

01:07:06.380 Again, all of us are pro-vaccine.

01:07:08.420 We want vaccines to be safe and effective, obviously.

01:07:11.600 But I'm also a free thinker.

01:07:13.280 And I'm not just going to carry the water for people that have done nothing to earn our

01:07:18.120 trust.

01:07:18.560 And so I hope we can win over Senator Cassidy.

01:07:21.920 I find his comments to just be laughable in some ways because anyone knows that, OK, the

01:07:28.180 hepatitis B vaccine in particular, yes, if a mom has hepatitis B, which we test for, then

01:07:33.760 give the kid the vaccine.

01:07:35.080 But within minutes of a child's birth, you're trying to tell me that there's no side effect

01:07:39.720 for pumping them with a hepatitis B vaccine, which is completely unnecessary, I think is wrong.

01:07:45.080 I think it's one of the reasons why we need Bobby Kennedy so badly.

01:07:47.460 So I certainly hope he'll end up voting for RFK.

01:07:50.180 I just to me, it's so infuriating.

01:07:52.120 I give my kids all the vaccines.

01:07:53.540 They're not vaccine injured.

01:07:54.560 Thank God.

01:07:55.540 By the way, highly recommend the shingles vaccine as an adult because you can get it in your

01:08:00.200 eye.

01:08:00.960 It's just disgusting.

01:08:02.700 Anyway, apparently it's very, very painful, too.

01:08:05.060 But that's an adult.

01:08:05.760 That's an adult decision.

01:08:06.640 You can decide whether you want these vaccines or not.

01:08:08.600 But Bobby Kennedy, they were all over him on the vaccines.

01:08:12.080 As the audience now knows, he was on the show for four hours.

01:08:14.840 We just spent two, two full hours on vaccines and not COVID vaccines, these vaccines that

01:08:20.500 he's getting cross-examined over, MMR vaccine, and his long history of alleged vaccine denialism

01:08:24.920 that he got cross-examined over, over and over and over and over again.

01:08:27.680 And the long and the short of it is Bobby Kennedy jumped up and down and said, there's mercury

01:08:32.700 in these vaccines and I don't know that it's safe.

01:08:35.740 And they said, you're crazy.

01:08:37.320 It's totally safe.

01:08:38.560 You're a nutcase.

01:08:39.620 And what wound up happening?

01:08:41.560 They took it out.

01:08:42.980 And we went to all of Bobby Kennedy's critics who said, he's got this problem with mercury

01:08:47.340 in the vaccines.

01:08:48.040 Mercury is totally safe.

01:08:49.000 It's safe.

01:08:49.300 It's safe.

01:08:49.720 And then Bobby Kennedy came out and he explained this all on our show about how it was methyl

01:08:53.980 mercury that they were saying was safe.

01:08:55.500 But, and they said that it was problematic, but it was this other ethyl mercury.

01:08:58.620 And long story short, the one that they said was totally unassailable stayed in the brain

01:09:04.220 of the monkeys that were tested for months afterward.

01:09:08.720 It's, he explains it all.

01:09:09.840 All right.

01:09:10.060 You, good luck challenging him on the science behind the vaccines.

01:09:12.820 The bottom line is they took out the mercury that the same group that had been saying it's

01:09:16.740 safe, it's safe, it's safe, it's safe, took it out.

01:09:18.900 Not because of him.

01:09:20.020 They had a closed door meeting and they said, you know what, let's, let's remove it.

01:09:22.860 But there's nothing to see here.

01:09:24.060 There's nothing to see here.

01:09:24.900 And then they put aluminum in these vaccines, which works, it's not exactly a preservative.

01:09:29.240 It does something else for the vaccines, but that too is a potential neurotoxin.

01:09:32.880 And then they say, it's nothing, it's nothing, it's nothing.

01:09:35.040 Just shove it in your baby and don't give it two thoughts.

01:09:37.420 But all of this is going on while the toxics do that our children are swimming in was growing

01:09:42.520 exponentially from, you know, the pollutants in their water and the fluorine and the chloride

01:09:46.900 to the pollutants in their food, to the pollutants that is on your sofa and the baby

01:09:52.220 toys and the bot, the baby bottles and all around them.

01:09:56.080 And Bobby Kennedy has been saying, can we just pause a little to figure out what's causing

01:10:01.980 this?

01:10:02.340 Why are the allergies doing this?

01:10:03.760 Why are the ticks doing this?

01:10:05.400 Why is the autism doing this?

01:10:07.240 Why was this something you never even heard of when I was a child to something that is one

01:10:11.460 in 30 now?

01:10:12.160 And they look at him and they say, you're a kook, you're dangerous, you, you're dangerous.

01:10:18.700 It's infuriating.

01:10:20.640 It's infuriating to be standing on my side of the aisle with children or yours and to

01:10:25.340 just, and again, with, with God, thank God, perfectly healthy children to say, why are you

01:10:32.580 so determined to stop the questions?

01:10:35.160 And the COVID vaccine is even a more persuasive case where you've got young boys, 15 year

01:10:41.940 old boys with myocarditis dying, dying, and they won't acknowledge it.

01:10:50.400 No.

01:10:51.140 And by the way, the COVID vaccine is now on the childhood vaccination schedule.

01:10:55.260 So there are 18 months olds that are getting the COVID vaccine.

01:10:59.180 Like, yeah, that's never going to happen.

01:11:01.340 We're not, we're not doing MRNA gene altering technology.

01:11:03.580 What is the risk if my kid gets COVID incredibly low, like remarkably low for infants and for

01:11:10.480 kids that get COVID.

01:11:11.900 So there, there's a lot to unpack there, but I think also shouldn't the broader question

01:11:16.620 be, okay, vaccines causing autism, whatever, fine.

01:11:19.940 Not going to get into that, but what does cause autism then?

01:11:22.720 Why is it one in 30?

01:11:24.440 Can we, can we have a discussion of that?

01:11:26.320 Are there other environmental pollutants?

01:11:28.240 Are there other neurotoxins that we haven't addressed?

01:11:30.960 Is it our diet or is the radioactivity?

01:11:34.360 I don't know, but something is causing it.

01:11:37.140 Something is causing this massive spike.

01:11:39.560 And yet Bobby is the crime or is the criminal for noticing.

01:11:43.860 You see, Bobby is the enemy for noticing.

01:11:46.980 And the old expression goes to find out who controls you, find out what you can't criticize.

01:11:51.460 And we cannot criticize our public health authorities.

01:11:55.000 And the media is so in bed with it for a very simple reason, which I hope the president and

01:11:59.180 Bobby Kennedy get rid of is you're allowed to advertise on these networks so shamelessly

01:12:03.540 that they have bought the entire media industrial complex.

01:12:06.540 I was laughing, I was watching the bills chiefs game and I was watching a football game doing

01:12:11.240 work.

01:12:11.520 And all of a sudden the most ridiculous commercial ever pops up where it's like some guy running

01:12:16.900 through a meadow and they, they list all the side effects of these drugs, you know,

01:12:21.040 might cause sudden death and might cause all these different things.

01:12:24.140 And I said to myself, there's no way that this ad is persuasive.

01:12:26.920 There's no way that there's some guy in Buffalo, New York, watching the bills game being like,

01:12:31.060 you know what?

01:12:31.420 Now I need to go buy that drug.

01:12:32.600 No, it's part of a broader strategy, which by the way, pharmaceutical advertisements is

01:12:37.760 actually the lowest cost per dollar return of anything.

01:12:40.900 No, it's part of a broader strategy where they're trying to win the goodwill and control

01:12:45.200 these media companies.

01:12:46.220 So they get favorable coverage.

01:12:48.580 Yes, that's what it's all about.

01:12:50.020 It's, it's not about promoting their drug.

01:12:52.040 No one cares about it.

01:12:53.000 These are awfully produced commercials.

01:12:54.760 They don't put any energy into it, right?

01:12:56.800 They, they go through whatever DEI thing of some, you know, black dad playing baseball with

01:13:02.180 his kid in the yard.

01:13:03.400 Like, okay, whatever, no, we'll find whatever.

01:13:05.020 It's like nothing against that.

01:13:06.620 And then they say, okay, here's it.

01:13:08.460 Jardians or whatever, you know, get this drug, ask your doctor about it.

01:13:11.260 Okay.

01:13:11.480 No one actually ends up doing it.

01:13:13.100 Instead, what it does is it gives them air cover against any of the journalist class and

01:13:19.400 any of the people making the decisions that these media companies that could potentially

01:13:22.980 investigate them or yes, or give them a scintilla of negative coverage.

01:13:26.960 It's truly like the warning labels are like, you could try this to decrease your skin itchiness,

01:13:32.440 but it may cause testicular boils.

01:13:35.300 It's like, wait, whoa, whoa, what?

01:13:37.480 Oh, really?

01:13:38.120 Who in their right mind would sign on to that?

01:13:41.440 I do want to say this to Senator Cassidy, whose vote we really need in, in with all due

01:13:46.120 respect.

01:13:46.380 And by the way, I asked the audience to call his office yesterday and gave him the number

01:13:49.940 and I said I would call.

01:13:51.340 And I did.

01:13:51.760 I personally called.

01:13:52.660 It was actually very funny.

01:13:53.360 They took the number down.

01:13:54.740 The guy was like the, the Megan kill.

01:13:57.080 I'm like, yes, the Megan Kelly.

01:13:58.520 I want you.

01:13:59.860 And he was like, do you live in Louisiana?

01:14:01.140 I'm like, no, but I have a loud mouth and I have a lot of listeners who do.

01:14:04.600 Okay.

01:14:04.920 They took the number down, but here's the email that you're supposed, I asked.

01:14:07.420 And they told me the email is Hannah, H-A-N-N-A-H underscore bar, B-A-R-R at Cassidy.senate.gov.

01:14:17.860 Hannah underscore bar, H-A-N-N-A-H underscore B-A-R-R at Cassidy.senate.gov.

01:14:23.940 And I think with all due respect to Hannah, and I'm sure she's a lovely person and Senator

01:14:27.160 Cassidy follows me on X.

01:14:28.260 So I'm sure he saw the posts I sent his way yesterday.

01:14:31.600 They need to hear from us directly.

01:14:33.000 And here's why I feel so passionately about it.

01:14:34.560 Charlie, forget all that stuff about MMR vaccine, which will not be banned.

01:14:38.300 Trump has said it will not be banned.

01:14:39.920 Bobby has said it will not be banned.

01:14:41.600 Bobby's past work to ask questions about it is in the past.

01:14:44.200 He's not going to make this an issue.

01:14:45.400 He's made that really clear.

01:14:47.360 He has his beliefs about it, but Trump is the boss.

01:14:52.100 Look at the COVID vaccine and what you said, how no one's allowed to ask questions about

01:14:56.400 it.

01:14:56.680 One of the people I ran into when I showed up at the RFKJ hearing was a guy named Carl

01:15:01.300 Warner.

01:15:01.600 And, and I know Kyle, Kyle Warner, because he came on the show.

01:15:06.020 He's amazing mountain biker, mountain biker.

01:15:08.180 Exactly right.

01:15:08.820 He's a mountain biker.

01:15:09.440 And he came on the show during the height of the COVID nonsense and told his story.

01:15:13.820 He's friend, he lives in Oregon.

01:15:15.240 All right.

01:15:15.480 This is not some far right dude.

01:15:17.340 And talked about what happened to him after this vaccine.

01:15:21.400 And here's, here's a clip of it.

01:15:23.120 Watch.

01:15:24.400 When I went into the hospital, I said, I don't know what's going on with my heart.

01:15:27.140 I think it may be a reaction to the vaccine.

01:15:29.980 Cause I got the Pfizer vaccine, you know, about a month ago and I've never had heart

01:15:34.080 issues before, you know, so I'm just kind of ruling things out.

01:15:37.320 I'm like, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but they are linking a heart issue.

01:15:39.820 I'm having this new heart issue after getting the shot.

01:15:41.940 And the guy was super dismissive about it and just said, no, you're not.

01:15:46.640 Yeah.

01:15:46.740 It was interesting.

01:15:47.200 Cause then the doctor came in and was talking to me about how he said, Hey, when I was in

01:15:50.960 medical school, I had a lot of workload.

01:15:52.580 I was really stressed out and I got put on antidepressants and kind of anti-anxiety medication.

01:15:57.220 And it really helped me a lot.

01:15:58.600 And I think that would be beneficial for you too.

01:16:01.120 And, you know, I was like, thank you.

01:16:03.140 But you know, no, thank you.

01:16:05.300 I think this is just a heart thing I'm dealing with.

01:16:07.220 I'm only anxious now because my heart is racing and I'm worried about my heart.

01:16:10.760 It's episode 222.

01:16:13.560 It's very worth your time to go back and listen to Kyle's story.

01:16:15.920 There's a reason he showed up.

01:16:17.360 This is, this is about more than the MMR vaccine, which is fine.

01:16:21.040 It's in place.

01:16:21.840 It's not going anywhere.

01:16:23.180 It's about a, a whole, I know it gets overused, but medical industrial complex that cares more

01:16:29.580 about hooking you on drugs like SSRIs and taking every single vaccine so that they can

01:16:35.120 make a ton of money like Pfizer did, like Moderna did.

01:16:38.360 They cannot be sued.

01:16:39.720 And then they don't care when you get vaccine injured, vaccine injured, like Kyle, they don't

01:16:44.080 give a shit.

01:16:45.160 Well, RFKJ cares.

01:16:46.920 Jay Bhattacharya is going to care.

01:16:48.320 Marty McCary, ideally at FDA is going to care.

01:16:51.560 And you need a disruptor like RFKJ at the top to run herd on it.

01:16:57.540 Someone who will not be bullied by these behemoths who have more money than God.

01:17:03.900 That monetize the sickness of the country every day.

01:17:09.060 And we are the sickest we've ever been.

01:17:10.500 We are the, the least healthy we've ever been as a country.

01:17:13.500 So think about it.

01:17:14.220 We're the most technologically advanced.

01:17:16.420 We have the most breakthroughs.

01:17:17.940 We have AI doing half of our work for us right now.

01:17:20.700 Stock market at record highs.

01:17:22.160 Yet we're the sickest we've ever been.

01:17:24.260 So how does that exactly work?

01:17:25.900 We're the most overweight, the most alcohol addicted, the most drug addicted, the most

01:17:30.200 suicidal, the most anxious, the most depressed that we've ever been.

01:17:35.540 And so something is fundamentally wrong.

01:17:38.180 And of course it goes, you've heard this before.

01:17:40.100 We have a sick care system, not a healthcare system.

01:17:43.260 And these major conglomerates have no interest in actually having a healthy population.

01:17:49.220 In fact, a healthy population is a threat to the bottom line of Eli Lilly.

01:17:53.820 A healthy population is a threat to the bottom line of Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Johnson

01:17:59.660 and Johnson.

01:18:00.840 A healthy population means that you don't have to have 13 year olds get on Ozembeck.

01:18:05.700 As we are having this chat right now, there is a simultaneous congressional debate to put Ozembeck

01:18:11.920 on the Medicaid schedule so that teenagers, instead of healthy lifestyle, eating better,

01:18:17.760 can do an injection every week, pill for every ill, and that will solve obesity.

01:18:22.740 And if you look carefully on cable news, because I know all the interest groups behind it,

01:18:27.120 they're running very persuasive ads.

01:18:29.360 They say obesity is killing Americans.

01:18:31.720 Call your senator to say that our government should stand up against obesity.

01:18:36.540 So what they're saying is they're framing obesity as this big problem.

01:18:39.740 Call this number to support this bill.

01:18:43.000 They don't tell you what's in the bill.

01:18:44.520 The bill is to put Ozembeck on the Medicaid schedule, which would then have kids across

01:18:49.280 the country not pursue healthier lifestyles, but instead have to do an injection for the

01:18:54.100 rest of their life, which has all of these terrible side effects.

01:18:57.580 Oh, and you have gallbladder issues and kidney stones and digestive problems.

01:19:01.980 And only also, by the way, supports and reinforces all of your other healthy, unhealthy habits,

01:19:07.980 right?

01:19:08.400 Eating, exercise.

01:19:09.900 They are now looking at obesity as a permanent genetic condition, not lifestyle choices.

01:19:15.880 They're saying that, well, it's just the way that you were born and there's nothing that

01:19:19.520 you can do.

01:19:20.020 And what is RFKJ doing?

01:19:20.600 What is Callie Means saying?

01:19:22.080 What is Dr. Casey Means behind him saying?

01:19:24.100 They are talking about the toxins all throughout our society.

01:19:28.120 Nicole Shanahan, who is RFKJ, is running me.

01:19:29.900 All these people are talking about what causes the obesity.

01:19:33.500 You know, you may be right that it's not entirely your fault, but the solution for a 13-year-old

01:19:37.700 is not Ozembeck.

01:19:38.840 It's to get him off of nonstop processed foods, which make you more fat, to get him off of

01:19:45.140 seed oils, which, I mean, go back and there's a lot of medical research on this now that

01:19:49.840 talk about how that makes you more prone to hold onto your fat.

01:19:52.780 Why are we demonizing meat, right?

01:19:55.340 And lionizing bread for these kids.

01:19:58.980 Like, this team is going to stop all of that.

01:20:02.660 And they're just, you know, whistling into the wind right now because they're being painted

01:20:06.540 as a bunch of new age kooks.

01:20:08.720 I totally agree with you.

01:20:10.120 And honestly, like, I know Ozembeck has helped a lot of people, but it is a totally different

01:20:14.680 game when you are an adult and you are capable of assessing risk versus being a child.

01:20:19.000 I also want to say something else.

01:20:20.520 There was a singer.

01:20:22.200 I saw her video on X.

01:20:23.560 I didn't know this young woman.

01:20:24.880 But she said she was only like 19 or 20 and she went on Ozembeck and she was warning everybody

01:20:28.360 that it caused massive bone density loss, that she was already suffering from osteoporosis

01:20:33.420 and osteoporina.

01:20:35.660 I forget the word.

01:20:37.180 But I know a lot of people that have been hospitalized for a lot of, I know people that are getting

01:20:41.320 surgery because of it.

01:20:42.480 Oh, big time.

01:20:43.860 This is, I suffered from osteoporosis, this is years ago.

01:20:47.900 This is even before Ozembeck was a thing.

01:20:49.620 I just wound up having kind of old lady bones.

01:20:52.460 I don't know why.

01:20:53.040 It happens a lot to thin women who aren't like, it can be helpful to be a heavier person because

01:20:56.680 like you're, you're pounding your bones while you walk.

01:20:59.200 And a lot of thin women wind up with this condition.

01:21:01.600 Anyway, not for nothing.

01:21:02.800 I've said this before, but I did go on this once a month injectable drug called E-Venity

01:21:08.540 for whatever it's worth for 12 months.

01:21:10.900 And truly it like cured the osteoporosis.

01:21:14.620 I like, I, it was gone and yeah, I got to do a maintenance routine for like a year,

01:21:19.800 the three years I think it is, but it's a miracle.

01:21:22.640 For me, it was a miracle drug.

01:21:24.400 Check with your own doctor, do all that.

01:21:25.960 But I just wanted that young woman.

01:21:27.020 I don't know how to reach this young woman, but I've like, she should know about this.

01:21:29.640 Not everybody knows about this drug.

01:21:30.720 Okay.

01:21:31.040 So anyway, that's, that's RFKJ.

01:21:34.620 I don't know what's going to happen with him.

01:21:35.920 Do you want to handicap that one?

01:21:38.960 I give RFKJ a 60 to 70% chance of getting confirmed.

01:21:43.560 Okay.

01:21:44.760 I like that.

01:21:45.560 I feel like Senator Cassie is going to do the right thing.

01:21:48.100 He seems like a good man to me.

01:21:49.480 It doesn't seem like a lunatic with like a political agenda.

01:21:52.360 I think he'll listen.

01:21:54.360 I hope he'll listen.

01:21:55.040 I hope he calls me.

01:21:57.580 Now, Cash Patel is going to make it, but that one was just kind of fun.

01:22:01.640 I mean, that was, that was just fun to watch.

01:22:03.720 It was really fun, right?

01:22:05.380 The exchange with Amy Klobuchar.

01:22:06.700 Let me just kick it off with that one because some people thought it was too snarky.

01:22:09.940 I loved it.

01:22:10.440 I enjoyed seeing him give it to her here.

01:22:11.760 No, I thought it was great.

01:22:12.620 He was in SOT-12 just to give people a flavor.

01:22:17.460 On Joe Pack's podcast, he asked you, the Capitol Police in that fake January 6th committee,

01:22:23.020 they didn't tell the truth, did they?

01:22:24.800 Patel, no, not just them, many others.

01:22:27.720 And lying under oath is a federal offense and they should be investigated for it.

01:22:31.820 Do you believe that about the police officers?

01:22:34.360 That's a general statement and a mischaracterization of what I said.

01:22:37.460 I encourage you to read the rest of the interview.

01:22:39.140 This is why snippets of information are often misleading and detrimental to this committee's advice and consent process.

01:22:45.600 If you consent, I would love to have five hours of questions and then I could read the whole transcript.

01:22:50.160 You've got two minutes.

01:22:50.980 Wow.

01:22:52.880 In September.

01:22:55.520 That was amazing.

01:22:56.940 It was obviously a rip on what they'd been doing to him.

01:23:00.080 Nobody gave him any time to answer any questions.

01:23:03.180 Right?

01:23:03.500 I mean, I'm sorry.

01:23:06.280 I keep going.

01:23:07.040 Yeah.

01:23:07.180 Yeah.

01:23:07.900 No, I'm just saying, like, I'll give you one other example.

01:23:10.340 Like, here, for example, is how Maisie Hirono, the star of the Senate, how did Tulsi Gabbard and Maisie Hirono come from the same state?

01:23:18.860 Okay.

01:23:19.280 Here she is.

01:23:20.300 This is what she did to him.

01:23:21.340 Watch.

01:23:21.620 We have heard already your book includes a list of 60 people who you think make up part of the executive branch, Deep State.

01:23:31.740 Mr. Patel, if confirmed, do you plan to investigate President Trump's former FBI director, Christopher Wray?

01:23:38.060 Yes or no?

01:23:39.320 I have no plans in going backwards.

01:23:41.400 I have plans in safeguarding.

01:23:42.720 How about James Comey?

01:23:43.520 Do you plan to investigate him?

01:23:45.340 Senator, every investigation will be subject to the same legal standard.

01:23:49.720 Do you plan to investigate James Comey, who's on your list?

01:23:53.820 I have no intentions of going backwards.

01:23:55.920 How about Bill Barr?

01:23:56.460 Every intention of using the Constitution.

01:23:58.600 How about Bill Barr?

01:23:59.360 Do you plan to investigate him, who's on your executive branch, Deep State, and you say you're going to ferret out the Deep State?

01:24:06.620 No one that did not break the law will be investigated.

01:24:10.400 No answers to any of those.

01:24:12.580 Okay.

01:24:14.560 Go ahead, Charlie.

01:24:15.380 No, I just wanted to say to Amy Klobuchar, I mean, she has such a high view of herself as if she is some sort of like high priestess of the Congress that no one's actually ever stood up to her.

01:24:27.020 I just, I find her to just be so ridiculous.

01:24:29.980 And Maisie Hirono, I mean, what a smart person, I have to say.

01:24:32.800 I mean, she is just like so amazing and insightful to listen to.

01:24:37.940 She reads her prepared remarks.

01:24:39.600 I have to say, remember the one where she, there was something where she attacked like all men.

01:24:44.820 Do you remember that during the Brett Kavanaugh thing?

01:24:46.880 Like the men of America need to shut up and need to just kind of get out of the way.

01:24:51.120 Sounds on brand.

01:24:51.560 And so I think Cash is just doing phenomenal.

01:24:56.360 I thought that all three, Tulsi, Bobby, and Cash, were in very, very difficult situations.

01:25:02.420 You could tell that they had to kind of hold themselves back at times because there was intentional provocation attempts by the Democrats.

01:25:10.620 But I would give Cash Patel a 99% chance of getting confirmed.

01:25:14.960 Yeah.

01:25:15.440 He's getting through.

01:25:16.260 And I would say RFKJ was more combative in his second day.

01:25:20.500 And I think that's good.

01:25:21.680 He needed to get out there and, you know, mix it up a little bit and not let them just beat up on him.

01:25:26.660 All right.

01:25:27.060 I've got to spend a minute on immigration.

01:25:29.500 So Trump's amazing executive orders and the Lake and Riley Act now being signed into law.

01:25:34.840 They are not going without some pushback from the Democrats.

01:25:37.780 And, of course, the pushback is just, in so many corners, racist, elitist, classist, right?

01:25:49.960 This is where they go every time.

01:25:52.020 Like, who is going to mow my lawn?

01:25:54.580 In fact, truly, every time you hear them going with that line of argument, that brings me to Democratic strategist Jenna Arnold on a CNN panel with Scott Jennings in SOT 29.

01:26:09.540 I think they ought to be put on notice.

01:26:12.040 You've got to play by the rule.

01:26:13.020 Everybody has to play by the rule.

01:26:14.060 I don't want to hear that they're doing work that no one else will do.

01:26:16.880 Talk to guys in the building trades, plumbers, contractors.

01:26:21.260 Picking strawberries.

01:26:22.080 These building trades guys are being hurt by labor that shouldn't be here.

01:26:27.600 I can't wait until American women can't get blueberries for their smoothies.

01:26:34.340 I cannot wait until there is a full crackdown on all small businesses as if that's going to be the solution to the immigration problem.

01:26:43.640 It is just going to put immigration-related issues further into the darker corners.

01:26:50.040 Oh, my God.

01:26:53.760 I can't wait until American women can't get blueberries for their smoothies.

01:26:59.660 Do they teach you to talk like that at Wellesley?

01:27:03.620 Is there like a course where you have to raise the octave of your voice?

01:27:09.280 But you also have to sound like a valley girl from 1987.

01:27:17.560 Then you know you're nailing it.

01:27:19.760 I will tell you that my team said that this person reminded them of somebody who they thought I was going to want to see.

01:27:28.380 And they teed something up for us, Charlie, which it's blacked out on my soundbite list because they wanted it to be a surprise.

01:27:35.900 So let's see what they have in store for us.

01:27:37.600 Who do they think this reminds us of?

01:27:41.120 Yeah, you have to work harder.

01:27:43.500 Yes!

01:27:43.800 Like, Megan, you should work harder.

01:27:47.100 Why don't you have a makeup line?

01:27:49.740 You don't do enough.

01:27:53.260 Totally.

01:27:54.040 Our girls should work.

01:27:55.240 Like, I work.

01:27:57.060 When I go to the makeup company, I point to the color I like, and then they put my name on it.

01:28:01.800 That is Kyle Dunnigan as Kim Kardashian.

01:28:07.860 100% people need to work like I do when I choose between tan and white.

01:28:15.520 Your thoughts on it?

01:28:18.560 Well, I mean, look, of course, to your original point, this is what they want mass migration to be.

01:28:24.900 They want it to be the service class of the oligarchy.

01:28:27.020 There are two reasons why they want open borders, is they want to make sure that the hedges of the Hamptons are pruned to their liking for the lowest possible wage imaginable.

01:28:38.560 And then they want a ton of voters that keep them in power.

01:28:41.300 That's it.

01:28:42.400 It's never about enriching their lives or helping the American middle class.

01:28:47.780 It is two things.

01:28:48.960 It's the service class for the ruling class, and then these people are going to vote for us.

01:28:53.600 And, of course, she goes right at it.

01:28:54.940 And it is this old trope, it's like, well, who's going to pick your lettuce, and who's going to pick your strawberries, and who's going to pick your blueberries?

01:29:00.040 But not a single person can answer a more fundamental question, which is that we are quickly going towards mass adoption of artificial intelligence.

01:29:09.560 We are quickly going towards the merging of advanced robotics and artificial intelligence.

01:29:14.260 So that means that more people are going to be out of work, not less.

01:29:18.440 So, therefore, if more people are going to be out of work, and we're going to kind of have an employment, not crisis, but a little employment hiccup that is very similar to how we transition from the agrarian-based society to the industrial revolution, shouldn't it be the perfect time to press pause on mass migration?

01:29:35.540 Shouldn't we probably not have as many people coming into the country because we're going to have a lot of job displacement?

01:29:40.600 And this is not some sort of theoretical.

01:29:42.680 When polled, over half of Fortune 100 companies say that they plan serious layoffs in the coming years because AI is going to replace those workers.

01:29:50.960 Now, that is high, high, high-tech work.

01:29:53.100 But also, we're going to see this in the manual trades as robotics starts to get put in place.

01:29:57.300 So it begs the question, why is it they want all these people in the country?

01:30:00.640 Oh, it's for permanent political power.

01:30:02.840 It's not for blueberries.

01:30:03.860 It's for the midterm election.

01:30:05.540 And that's smoothie.

01:30:07.740 We saw some of this on display at Caroline Leavitt, who's the new press secretary.

01:30:13.540 She's doing a great job.

01:30:14.780 She's out there.

01:30:15.440 She's great.

01:30:15.860 Being just as combative as the media deserves.

01:30:18.240 She's not being unnecessarily combative.

01:30:20.120 They come in there with hatred for her, Trump, his supporters, and his agenda.

01:30:25.980 And she is responding appropriately to a group of people who not only hate her and him, but are working actively to undermine him while masquerading as objective journalists.

01:30:35.860 Here she is on the subject of these illegals in a White House press briefing on Tuesday, SOT 27.

01:30:43.560 Of the 3,500 arrests ICE has made so far since President Trump came back into office, can you just tell us the numbers?

01:30:49.580 How many have a criminal record versus those who are just in the country illegally?

01:30:53.400 All of them, because they illegally broke our nation's laws, and therefore they are criminals, as far as this administration goes.

01:30:58.700 I know the last administration didn't see it that way, so it's a big culture shift in our nation to view someone who breaks our immigration laws as a criminal, but that's exactly what they are.

01:31:06.500 If they broke our nation's laws, yes, they are criminal.

01:31:14.440 What do you make of what's happening in the White House briefing room these days, Charlie?

01:31:17.440 Well, as someone who's 31, looking at someone who's 27, be press secretary, I think is phenomenal.

01:31:24.360 And it just goes to show how awful the media is.

01:31:27.680 They have not given her even a little iota of credit that someone in their late 20s can take on the entire Washington press corps.

01:31:35.540 That's a remarkable thing.

01:31:37.420 Yes, I mean, imagine if Joe Biden put some sort of 27-year-old up there.

01:31:44.020 It would be the darling beyond darlings.

01:31:47.120 It would be Vote Magazine.

01:31:48.780 It would be front page of the New York Times.

01:31:51.440 It would be Meet the Press.

01:31:52.440 It would be the 60 Minutes interview.

01:31:54.180 So I hope that's not lost on people.

01:31:56.280 That's a 27-year-old taking on the entire Washington press corps.

01:31:59.700 And for everyone out there that has kids in their 20s, I mean, you should use that as an example.

01:32:04.740 Like, this is someone who has a child who's taking on the entire Washington press corps, the defendant administration that the media hates.

01:32:11.800 That's someone worth kind of looking up to, not Dylan Mulvaney.

01:32:15.100 Abigail, fine.

01:32:15.860 You got to get the girls watching.

01:32:17.400 Caroline Levitt, keep going, Charlie.

01:32:20.020 No, but you think about it.

01:32:21.360 It's like, okay, the media says Dylan Mulvaney, hero, Caroline Levitt, clown.

01:32:27.440 And you just think about who we elevate as heroes and villains.

01:32:31.680 It's so backwards.

01:32:32.460 So I think she's doing a great job.

01:32:33.820 In fact, we've known her a while at Turning Point.

01:32:35.600 We endorsed her when she was running for Congress in New Hampshire.

01:32:39.140 She's had a great career ascension.

01:32:41.340 And it's really interesting.

01:32:42.240 She was kind of Kayleigh McEnany's number two.

01:32:44.840 So she was in the building working and saw it and probably has been practicing for her entire last couple of years.

01:32:53.340 So it's just great to see.

01:32:54.520 And I thought she was adequately prepared.

01:32:57.440 I thought she was incredibly sharp.

01:32:59.480 I thought her answers were perfect.

01:33:00.900 And I got to give her credit.

01:33:02.300 That answer right there is spot on.

01:33:04.620 That is more and more clarity than you would expect from any Senate Republican, which is exactly right, by the way.

01:33:10.920 Definitionally, you being in the United States illegally is a crime.

01:33:16.660 Entering the United States is a crime.

01:33:18.940 And what she did is so smart.

01:33:20.820 You reject the premise.

01:33:22.520 They're all criminals, actually.

01:33:24.040 By the way, if you don't like that, then go to Congress and change the law.

01:33:28.280 You don't get to choose which laws you like and don't like.

01:33:31.880 The executive branch follows what Congress has passed.

01:33:35.300 Congress passed that it's illegal to come into the country and stay in the country without invite, without crop.

01:33:41.560 Yes, to sneak in, to border jump.

01:33:43.320 And so by definition, they are all breaking the law.

01:33:47.200 And I think Caroline has just done a remarkable job.

01:33:49.620 Absolutely right.

01:33:50.240 And when I see her, I can tell she's young.

01:33:53.240 But I see somebody who's going to be a massive threat as this job goes forward, right?

01:33:56.540 Because if she's this good her first week on the job, they're going to have their hands full when she's been doing it for two years.

01:34:02.160 So I hope it lasts because she does have a young baby, and that's a very demanding job.

01:34:06.160 I see, like, the press releases come out.

01:34:08.020 The night of the plane crash, it's, like, very, very difficult to have a little babe and do that job.

01:34:13.500 Hats off to her, wishing her nothing but success and goodness in this role.

01:34:17.700 Before we get away from illegal immigration, listen to this Al Jazeera journalist trying to justify why it's going to be very tough for these countries of origin to take back their illegals.

01:34:34.360 Like, they really just need to be allowed to stay in the United States because, I guess, we're bigger and we can handle them better?

01:34:40.200 Watch.

01:34:40.900 Oh.

01:34:42.380 Mexico cannot cope.

01:34:44.340 I'm not sure any country can, but Mexico can't cope with, like, a sudden influx of millions of people.

01:34:49.400 I mean, as much as she wants to embrace them, to use her word, when they come back and make them feel welcome, it all sounds very nice when you're listening to it, but the reality of that is it's just completely unsustainable.

01:35:01.200 That's an Al Jazeera journalist saying Mexico cannot handle the influx of their own citizens being returned to them, Charlie.

01:35:08.420 Yeah, and just, I want everyone to understand this, which is the Haitian government said something similar, where they said if we return Haitians back to Haiti, it would destabilize their country.

01:35:19.740 Oh, that's the point, actually.

01:35:21.440 So, if you can't even accept your own people, we're not talking, again, I would sympathize with the argument totally, by the way, if we were sending, like, Nicaraguans to Mexico or Mexicans to Nicaragua.

01:35:31.100 Totally get that, right? Like, another country should not be forced to take other people's people. But that's the point, isn't it?

01:35:38.320 We're actually being forced to take other people's people, right? And so, everyone would be like, oh, yeah, of course you shouldn't send Brazilians to Honduras or Hondurans to El Salvador.

01:35:46.700 And so, but this goes down to the entire dichotomy that we're in, this binary way of looking at things, where the Biden administration looked as if we've done such evil as a country, the way that we repay all of this, all of our guilt, is by coming to the world's dumping ground.

01:36:05.120 There's nothing we can do about it. You guys can come here, and that we must just kind of absorb you.

01:36:11.360 Where we have a view, say, wait a second, no. If you're not invited into a place, you're not welcome into that place.

01:36:17.640 And if Mexicans' own people is going to destabilize their country, then what exactly does that say about it?

01:36:24.080 And that's about the people that are actually coming back.

01:36:26.460 And secondly, let's just look at the Colombian example.

01:36:29.540 President Trump did a master class on the whole Colombia situation over the weekend.

01:36:33.180 I mean, it was like 10 out of 10, A++. It was incredible.

01:36:36.820 But if the Colombian government was even flirting with the idea of wrecking their entire economy over a couple dozen illegal migrants, what does that tell you about the couple dozen illegal migrants?

01:36:47.940 Like, who are these people? Why are they willing to put up such a fight?

01:36:51.100 How bad are they?

01:36:51.640 The answer is, they don't want them back.

01:36:54.860 And so if they don't want them back, that should be.

01:36:56.960 Yes, but I mean, like, at the same time, that should be more confidence for us to expel them from our country in an orderly and humane way.

01:37:04.180 Well, my take on it is, now Trump says he's going to be sending them down to Gitmo.

01:37:08.060 Great. Let's see if these countries of origin object.

01:37:10.860 Right?

01:37:11.520 You may get countries like Colombia, which are like, fine, great, keep them at Gitmo.

01:37:16.020 The point is, get them out of the United States.

01:37:18.160 They shouldn't be our problem.

01:37:20.340 Clarifying what I said, that wasn't an Al Jazeera journalist.

01:37:23.700 It was a PBS special correspondent named Julia Galliano-Rios on Al Jazeera's podcast called The Take.

01:37:31.680 So in any event, that's the immigration thing.

01:37:34.740 I want to ask you the time we have left because, you know, you spent a lot of time with people in the administration

01:37:39.220 and you've done so much to get them in place in the first place.

01:37:42.200 So what could possibly be next, Charlie, after the shock and awe of the first less than two weeks?

01:37:50.140 Oh, there's more coming.

01:37:51.480 Where could things possibly go from here?

01:37:54.000 Well, a couple things.

01:37:55.220 Number one, there are more executive actions and orders coming.

01:37:57.840 But secondly, we now have to fulfill these executive actions to make sure that they are not undermined

01:38:03.780 by the actual rank and file of the federal bureaucracy.

01:38:06.900 There's a couple major fights that are going to come to a head, which is the Doge team,

01:38:12.720 when all of a sudden they say that these departments no longer exist.

01:38:16.420 What happens if the departments say, no, they do exist?

01:38:19.120 What happens when they're going to start leaking and defying orders?

01:38:21.980 So there's a whole fight that's going to happen within the federal bureaucracy.

01:38:25.820 Trump is going to win that fight because he is in charge of Article 2.

01:38:29.180 We don't have Article, like we don't have a fourth branch of government of the federal bureaucracy.

01:38:33.620 No, it is under Article 2.

01:38:35.360 The president is in charge what the president wants, what the president gets.

01:38:38.260 We must curtail and rein in this idea of the permanent administrative state.

01:38:43.180 And then Congress is going to start moving.

01:38:45.140 You're going to see a lot of good pieces of legislation.

01:38:47.360 And the president is going to bring the price of energy down.

01:38:50.120 We're going to see inflation go down.

01:38:51.720 So I'm just thrilled with the pace at which the president is operating.

01:38:55.000 And we're not even two weeks into this.

01:38:56.980 And I just think tens across the board.

01:38:59.440 And we still have another four years, basically, of this.

01:39:02.920 So I'm thrilled.

01:39:04.700 And all ideas are on the board to make America great again, to bring us back to prominence and greatness.

01:39:10.720 This is why I work so hard.

01:39:12.200 This is why you work so hard.

01:39:13.880 And praise God that we're in the situation that we're in.

01:39:16.860 Charlie, never in a million years did I think, even in that speech I give in Pittsburgh,

01:39:21.300 that he would do everything I said within the first 10 days.

01:39:25.260 Even I did not see that coming.

01:39:27.760 I have been overwhelmed with the goodness I said to the audience.

01:39:30.340 Every day feels like Christmas.

01:39:31.560 Every day feels like I got a raise.

01:39:33.480 And then I got another raise the next day.

01:39:35.280 And the way you feel, just elated.

01:39:37.120 Like, oh, my God, this is such a boon.

01:39:38.560 This is wonderful.

01:39:39.940 I just can't wait to see what he does next.

01:39:43.200 And thank you so much for helping make it happen.

01:39:45.860 No one more critical than you.

01:39:47.240 Charlie Kirk, thank you, my friend.

01:39:48.420 Thank you, Megan.

01:39:49.440 Talk to you soon.

01:39:50.100 Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 31, 2025

Charlie Kirk on Tulsi and RFK's Fight Ahead, DEI vs. Merit, and Elites Against Trump's Immigration Policies ｜ Ep. 997

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