The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk's Alleged Assassin Taken Into Custody, and Remembering His Incredible Life and Legacy ｜ Ep. 1147

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.440 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.800 They got him. The manhunt is officially over and that is very good news.

00:00:20.800 President Trump making the surprise announcement on Fox and Friends.

00:00:23.640 This is so classic Trump. You know somebody called him right before he went out there and said,

00:00:26.920 Mr. President, we think we got the Charlie Kirk assassin and then he just revealed it.

00:00:31.480 I can just picture like Cash Patel in his office like, what? What? What is he doing? What?

00:00:37.440 Who told? Why? Why did he tell? Oh, we have that. OK, let's watch it.

00:00:44.420 Any updates on the suspect? Yeah. Can I always say, I think just to protect us all and so Fox doesn't

00:00:52.560 get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else. But I think with a high degree of certainty,

00:00:59.000 we have him in custody, right? In custody. Everyone did a great job. We worked with the

00:01:06.440 local police, the governor. Everybody did a great job. You know, getting somebody that you start off

00:01:12.260 with absolutely nothing. And we started off with a clip that made him look like an ant

00:01:16.260 that was almost useless. We just saw there was somebody up there. And so much work has been

00:01:22.800 done over the last two and a half days. You know, it's amazing, actually, when you start off with

00:01:26.400 that and then all of a sudden you you get lucky or talent or whatever it is. But yeah, we're I think

00:01:33.080 we're in great shape. He's in custody. Pretty, pretty extraordinary. Soon thereafter, law enforcement

00:01:41.200 confirming the arrest and Utah's Republican Governor Spencer Cox this morning, describing how it all

00:01:47.740 unfolded and laying out key details about the suspect and what may have motivated the young

00:01:53.960 man who is 22 years old from Washington, Utah. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

00:02:03.100 On the evening of September 11th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend

00:02:09.880 who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed

00:02:15.580 to them or implied that he had committed the incident. This information was relayed to the Utah

00:02:21.300 County Sheriff's Office and seen investigators at Utah Valley University. This information was also

00:02:27.120 conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified

00:02:34.760 Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 8 29 a.m. on September

00:02:42.460 10th, in which he is observed on video in a plain maroon t-shirt, light colored shorts, a black hat with a

00:02:49.780 white logo and light colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on

00:02:55.600 September 12th, the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those

00:03:01.840 surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson

00:03:07.780 had become more political in recent years. The family member referenced a recent incident in which

00:03:14.060 Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th, and in the conversation with another family member,

00:03:20.480 Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like him and the

00:03:26.500 viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. The family

00:03:33.440 member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger. Inscriptions on a fired casing read,

00:03:40.980 Notices Bulges, capital O-W-O, what's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read,

00:03:49.700 Hey fascist! Catch! Catch! Up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A second 0.51

00:04:01.580 unfired casing read, Oh Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow, Chow. And a third unfired casing read,

00:04:09.540 If you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O. Today we'll bring you the latest and more of Charlie Kirk, 1.00

00:04:19.260 the man, the husband, the patriot, as we remember his extraordinary life. We're going to start though

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00:05:35.600 So a word on those engravings. First of all, yesterday, Stephen Crowder was correct that

00:05:44.640 there were casings that they had engravings on them, and at least one piece of what was on there

00:05:50.180 was correct, the anti-fascist writings and logos. As for the trans reference, that's unclear.

00:05:57.760 The bullet that they said hit Charlie had words on it that were, notices bulges, notices bulges,

00:06:09.480 O-W-O, what is this? And that appears to be a reference to furry culture, which is part of the

00:06:17.880 trans community. It's a bizarre sort of offshoot of the weird trans thing. You can see this from 1.00

00:06:25.500 online. It's a meme, and it has some meaning for these weird, bizarre, furry culture people.

00:06:35.100 And also, it's used by gamers connected to that culture. Who the fuck knows? I'm sorry,

00:06:41.560 but it's something very bizarre. And we're trying, you know, my mom always used to say when I was

00:06:46.120 growing up, I cannot respond to irrational behavior rationally. And that in a way is what

00:06:52.040 we're trying to do here, because we're human, and we're seeking meaning, and we really don't want

00:06:57.880 this to happen again. So we all feel like if we can find the reason behind this one, then we can

00:07:03.140 prevent the next one, because we'll just stop doing the thing that led to the first one. You know,

00:07:08.760 we'll figure out what was the ideology. Okay, we'll look for that ideology, and we'll guard against

00:07:14.220 it. That's only natural. All of us want to do that. So I don't know. I don't know what this guy

00:07:20.180 was into. I don't know why he was familiar with furry culture memes. I don't, I don't. He certainly

00:07:26.700 seems to have been a gamer. If you read online, what people, how people are reacting to the symbols

00:07:31.520 that he was using on his casings, because the other three are as follows. Hey, fascist catch with

00:07:40.000 three down arrow symbols. And there was another one. Oh, Bella, ciao, ciao, like the Italian CIAO.

00:07:46.280 Bella, ciao, Bella, ciao, ciao, which is a reference to an Italian anti-fascist song

00:07:52.460 used against the Nazis. And then the unfired third casing had inscribed on it. If you read this,

00:08:01.300 you are gay. L-M-A-O, laughing my ass off. So a reference to being gay, a reference to furry culture, 1.00

00:08:10.140 and two references to fascism. Bottom line is Crowder was right. And by the way, those who were

00:08:18.480 ripping on him are wrong. But it doesn't tell us that much. I've got to be honest. It's like what

00:08:24.780 we learned today was he doesn't come from a political family. Michael Schellenberger has

00:08:29.760 been scouring the social media and says he couldn't find one political post in the past 13 years from the

00:08:35.160 mom or the dad. The mom works helping people with disabilities. The dad is in law enforcement

00:08:40.040 for 27 years, but neither appears to be political at all. And even the son, the murderer, Tyler,

00:08:48.640 does not appear to have been political at all until recent years. People are pointing to the fact that

00:08:55.800 he wore a Trump costume. It was like a, for what it's worth, something that looked to be diminishing

00:09:00.760 of Trump costume in 2017, where he was, there's a picture of him standing. And then Trump is like

00:09:07.640 sort of, it's like kind of those pants for the listening audience that you put on. And there's

00:09:11.920 like a costume below you. And it looks like the person's carrying you on their shoulders. And Trump

00:09:17.000 looks like he's carrying this guy, Tyler, on his shoulders here, which yeah, it's diminishing. And he's

00:09:23.500 with his little brother who's carrying a firearm. I'm not sure what the little brother's costume is,

00:09:28.380 or if it relates at all to what he's doing with Trump. In any event, we have no reason to believe

00:09:33.740 this family was political. According to Schellenberger, the shooter here was not a

00:09:39.600 registered Democrat or a registered Republican. He was registered unaffiliated. But you heard the

00:09:45.840 governor describing family members saying that he had gotten more political recently, that he had

00:09:53.920 become more political in recent years, according to family members, that he did not like Charlie Kirk

00:10:01.520 and was explaining at a recent dinner, what he did not like about him. He said, Charlie was full of hate

00:10:08.560 and spreading hate. And that was as specific as they got. I mean, what's really annoying right now is

00:10:16.620 online. You've got the left, the leftist mob saying he was a white MAGA Republican Christian

00:10:24.140 gun lover. Go fuck yourselves. Okay. That's not correct. Yeah. He was white. I think the family 0.97

00:10:30.520 was Christian. Um, they haven't seen any evidence that they're Republicans, certainly not that he was

00:10:36.140 a Republican, uh, or that they had any love for Donald Trump. If anything, that costume suggests the

00:10:41.200 opposite. Um, and the whole fascist references obviously in connection with Charlie's support

00:10:48.900 of Trump. If there's one thing we knew about Charlie, besides the fact that he was a Christian

00:10:53.320 was that he loved Donald Trump and proselytized for Donald Trump endlessly. And the left is the one

00:11:00.140 that's been pushing the narrative that he is a fascist at every turn. I mean, read the New York

00:11:07.360 Times, read the Washington post, read the Huffington post, read anything online. We'll go to go on X

00:11:13.000 for one hour, type in fascist in the search bar. See what you come up with. This is a leftist narrative

00:11:20.400 about Trump and about Charlie as his supporter. So, I mean, there's just no question. This guy

00:11:27.760 was buying the leftist narrative about Charlie and yes, about Donald Trump. And they said he had become

00:11:35.620 more political in recent years. Now, how did that happen? What did he do in recent years? He went to

00:11:40.400 college. Guess what college does? It radicalizes young people. I don't know what happened to this

00:11:48.800 particular man, but that is what college does. You know, we, we had Bill Ackman on this program

00:11:56.900 talking about what happened to his daughter who went to Harvard and where they turned her into a

00:12:06.400 Marxist socialist communist, which he was still trying to unwind. This is a liberal New York

00:12:15.080 billionaire. That's what Harvard does to your kid. It's just, look, I don't know what happened to this

00:12:24.180 kid at the university. I'm just saying, if we want to talk about circumstantial evidence on

00:12:28.160 radicalization, there's zero for this kid being MAGA or a Republican or in any way in favor of

00:12:36.520 Donald Trump. There's plenty of him hating Donald Trump. People are like, oh, you know, he was just

00:12:42.540 a gamer. The fact that he wrote these things on the bullets just show he was nothing but a gamer.

00:12:47.360 Yeah. Okay. You missed the part where, again, he wrote them on bullets with which he shot Charlie

00:12:53.680 Kirk. Fuck these people and their revisionism, their unwillingness to see what's obvious.

00:13:00.660 Clearly he had hatred in his heart for Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is the one who got executed.

00:13:08.500 Charlie Kirk, he did not go out and shoot a member of the squad.

00:13:14.260 It's just, how do we reason with these people? It's like, it's right there in front of your face.

00:13:20.940 This, this kid got radicalized and obviously had some sort of a psychotic break. That's the other

00:13:27.120 piece of it. How many times do we have to see this shit? Like, I'm not surprised one bit to learn he

00:13:33.720 was 22, not, not even a little, that he was a young man. We've seen this happen over and over.

00:13:40.320 However, I am disturbed to see he appears to have come from a loving, intact family. And just by

00:13:48.400 disturbed, I mean, were there any warning signs? You know, usually you look at like the background

00:13:53.220 and you see something, you see a repeated mental health history. And to be honest, maybe there will

00:13:57.040 be one. And, and there, I'm not ruling out, oh God, there was that time he killed the family cat.

00:14:02.860 You know, that can still come out. Who knows? But if you look at the family social media profile,

00:14:08.720 it looks like a happy family. It looks like a loving mom and a loving dad. He had two younger

00:14:15.040 brothers. There's lots of family photos of them going on vacation and having family dinners. It's

00:14:20.920 just fucking disturbing. Sorry that with the potty mouth, I'm just like so frustrated. And so,

00:14:27.040 you know, it's like, what happened to him? That's really the question. What happened?

00:14:34.300 Here he is with a family dog, maybe on a camping trip of some sort outside in nature.

00:14:43.600 And then there was a video that's really interesting to me. And now I'm going to say

00:14:48.720 something controversial, but I'm going to say it. There's a video of him when he got a scholarship

00:14:53.840 into college. He did not go to this college. He got a scholarship to Utah state where he did wind

00:15:02.760 up going. This was Utah Valley was a different university in Utah where he shot Charlie, according

00:15:08.700 to police, but he got, he got a scholarship and he did a little video and I just want you to watch it.

00:15:17.960 Okay. Congratulations. You have been selected to receive the resident presidential scholarship from

00:15:23.360 Utah State University. The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is

00:15:29.760 available for four years or eight semesters. The part that I'm interested in is the end. You can hear

00:15:37.580 his mom, I think going, woo, like a mom would. And then you see this odd, what, 17 year old, 18 year old

00:15:47.160 looking very uncomfortable, like awkward, not uncomfortable, but awkward. And then he too

00:15:52.440 goes, woo, in a strange way. And I am just going to guess that this kid is someplace on the spectrum.

00:16:03.040 He had a perfect 4.0. He aced the ACTs, according to his mother online. And there is such an intense

00:16:11.220 awkwardness about him. I'm just going to guess he had some neurodivergence issues. Now that doesn't

00:16:17.260 make you a shooter. I have somebody in my own family who I absolutely adore and love and I'm

00:16:21.300 very close to who has pretty significant issues in this realm. And I've numerous times called out

00:16:27.520 people who jump right to, oh, from the spectrum to violence. That's not a thing. That's not a thing.

00:16:31.640 It's just an observation about this kid maybe having had some challenges and there'll be more

00:16:40.640 to his story. So I await more to that story. He seems very off to me in this clip. And he appears

00:16:49.000 to have taken the scholarship because he did go, we're told to Utah State, but I don't, Michael

00:16:54.660 Schellenberger was reporting that, sorry, Daily Mail, that he enrolled at Utah State for one semester

00:17:01.620 in 2021. But then elsewhere online, they've dated that clip as 2022 when he received word of the

00:17:09.840 scholarship. So I don't know what the truth is, but the Daily Mail is saying that Utah State

00:17:16.000 said he enrolled for one semester in 2021, though that clip shows he had an eight semester scholarship.

00:17:24.860 So what happened? Did he make it in college? Did he complete four years of college?

00:17:31.620 And if he only went for one semester, why? What happened? The police said that when he was

00:17:39.980 arrested, he was arrested, I believe, at his home, or at least that he was at home when this all went

00:17:48.620 down last night. They described it in the Daily Mail as a $600,000 home with six bedrooms in Washington,

00:17:55.500 Utah, which is 260 miles south of where Charlie was assassinated in Orem, Utah. Now this is just

00:18:03.540 coming in, more information from the New York Post. The Tyler Robinson accused assassin of Charlie

00:18:10.480 threatened to kill himself rather than surrender to authorities. Oh, okay, hold on a second. Before I

00:18:15.860 get to this, I'm just going to set up what happened. Okay, no, that's in here. So the father recognized

00:18:23.980 his 22-year-old son from the photos of the suspected shooter that were released from the authorities on

00:18:29.780 Thursday. That led the father to confront his son when he returned home to the house, according to

00:18:36.500 sources. This is in the New York Post, and it dovetails perfectly with what Trump revealed

00:18:39.840 on Fox and Friends, which was more, by the way. Trump said to Fox and Friends that there was a

00:18:45.340 pastor, a family pastor, who called authorities, who called some law enforcement official and told

00:18:52.620 them that a father had recognized his own son in these photos. And indeed, that turned out to be

00:19:01.480 true, though at the presser they did not mention the family minister. I think they just said the father

00:19:06.700 contacted law enforcement. But now here, the New York Post coloring this in a bit more, and I think

00:19:11.880 CNN had this reporting as well, that the father recognized his 22-year-old son from the photos of

00:19:16.380 the suspected shooter. By the way, credit to the FBI and local law enforcement for enhancing those

00:19:21.560 photos to a more usable version and then making the decision to put them out. You know, it was a

00:19:27.520 judgment call they made that it would help advance the search for the killer. And indeed, it seems to

00:19:33.340 have done exactly that. They were hoping that somebody would recognize him, that someone would

00:19:37.880 recognize the outfit, that someone would recognize the shape of the jaw, the mouth. And by the way,

00:19:44.420 think about it. Think about the people who are in your life every day, you know, Monday through

00:19:48.320 Friday at the office or Sunday through Saturday at your home. If you saw them in this close-up of

00:19:55.560 photo, like the ones revealed by the FBI over the past day, you'd know. You know your loved

00:20:01.320 ones, notwithstanding the fact that they're wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses, you

00:20:05.980 know, that's a disguise to a stranger, but not to a loved one. So it was a smart move by

00:20:11.700 Cash and other law enforcement to say, let's put it out there. Let's enhance it so that it's

00:20:16.000 more usable. Because the original versions were very grainy. They enhanced it. AI can be a force

00:20:21.820 for good. And they put it out there. And indeed, now the Post reporting the father, it was the

00:20:26.900 father who recognized his son, this poor dad, that he confronted the son, that the son confessed

00:20:36.060 to the horrific shooting when his dad asked if he pulled the trigger, but originally refused to turn

00:20:43.660 himself into law enforcement, according to sources. He told his father he would rather kill himself,

00:20:49.780 leading the father to convince his son to speak with their youth minister. Here it is,

00:20:54.500 who also happens to be a U.S. Marshal Service fugitive task force officer. So the son said he

00:21:03.300 would rather kill himself than turn himself in. And the father called their youth minister.

00:21:09.360 The minister then called a deputy with the federal agency. I assume they mean the U.S. Marshal Service.

00:21:16.500 And the FBI took Robinson into custody. And the headline here was,

00:21:21.480 accused Charlie Kirk assassin, Tyler Robinson threatened to kill himself rather than surrender

00:21:25.400 to authorities after his father confronted him about the sickening murder, according to law enforcement

00:21:31.180 sources.

00:21:31.680 Because, I mean, that poor dad, that poor father, you know, and that poor mother, I couldn't help but

00:21:46.800 notice like, I don't know, I was thinking about like the parents of Brian Kohlberger, who also raised an

00:21:54.060 assassin. Now, Brian Kohlberger had a long, long history of severe mental problems. And I don't know,

00:22:01.660 I don't know what culpability, if any, the family had in unleashing him on the world without

00:22:05.260 paying proper care to those issues. We need to know more about these parents too.

00:22:11.100 In all these shootings, whether it's a mass shooting or it's an assassination like we saw with Charlie,

00:22:17.660 we need to know. We have a right to know the mental history of the shooter. So we'll find out more about

00:22:25.640 him. But while these, while both families raised a killer, it is not, you know, that the parents,

00:22:33.480 you have to have some empathy for them because my God, unlike Kohlberger, however, this family

00:22:40.600 did contact authorities and convince their son to turn himself in. The New York Times now reporting that

00:22:48.540 he's being held without bail. That's not a surprise that he does not have a criminal record that he

00:22:55.960 was arrested. The official charges here on suspicion of aggravated murder. That's a, that's a special

00:23:01.620 term, aggravated murder, a felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily harm and obstruction

00:23:08.580 of justice. All felonies, according to an affidavit filed in court, a judge ordered that he be held

00:23:13.400 without bail. Court records indicate he had not been convicted of any crimes in the past. I mean,

00:23:19.580 now one thing to note is he's young, he's 22 and convicted of any crimes. Okay. But has he been

00:23:25.940 arrested? Unclear. And an immediate search would not show you whether he'd been arrested or convicted

00:23:32.240 of a crime as a juvenile. That, that all gets sealed. So that's another thing we need to know.

00:23:38.560 Did he have some problems when he was young? What if anything was done about them? You know,

00:23:45.100 society needs to be protected from people with serial problems. Was he one of them? I don't know.

00:23:51.700 Aggravated murder appears to be a reference to the fact that this wasn't, you know, just a shooting

00:23:58.040 in a park that this was a murder that was committed in such a way so heinously that it would qualify him

00:24:06.560 for the death penalty, which the Oregon, sorry, the Utah governor said last night, they intend to seek

00:24:12.320 before they had made this arrest. And you need an enhancement off of regular murder charges in order

00:24:18.280 to seek the death penalty. Um, there would be one here. He, he shot at Charlie in a crowded,

00:24:25.840 you know, campus quad. You, you endangered the lives of untold thousands who were present there.

00:24:33.560 So that would easily qualify. Um, so that's what that's about. And yeah, they'll be seeking the

00:24:40.200 death penalty. I mean, you have to think about this father, presumably, I don't know. I guess I

00:24:45.460 shouldn't presume he had been watching the murder at the, uh, the presser though. Don't you kind of

00:24:52.060 think he did? He was in law enforcement. And when you have a kid who is really off, you know, it,

00:25:00.080 you know, it, I'm thinking back about like the Sandy Hook shooter. I don't, he didn't have a

00:25:08.080 criminal past either. He was around this age. He spent all his time in the basement gaming, gaming.

00:25:17.140 And it sounds like this guy was a big gamer too. And what happened with the college? Did he or did he

00:25:23.260 not make it past one semester, even though he was on a full scholarship? If he didn't, why not? What

00:25:28.660 happened? Was there a mental health incident or was this just bad information? And he did make it 0.64

00:25:33.800 through and graduate. We didn't see that exactly. We've had, we've seen graduation pictures on the

00:25:38.660 mother's website, but unclear to me at this point, what institution that was from high school or college

00:25:44.640 or both. Um, going back to the story, he yes, confessed to his father. The dad contacted authorities

00:25:53.900 through a family friend and they lived in a very nice home. The, it was the home we believe he was

00:25:58.700 in at the time of the crime, $600,000 home, six bedrooms in Washington, Utah. Um, again, 260 miles

00:26:07.840 away from the crime scene. Now the authorities today revealing something else of interest that he showed up

00:26:18.720 to Utah Valley university in a gray Dodge challenger that he was wearing an outfit other than the one we saw

00:26:29.840 him in. Again, this is alleged because, you know, they said he confessed to family, but he hasn't officially

00:26:37.620 confessed. So we can't say he did it officially. But in any event, what they allege is that he showed up at the

00:26:43.600 university wearing a different outfit, um, that he had a maroon shirt on and shorts, uh, let's see

00:26:51.460 plain maroon t-shirt, light colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo and light colored shoes

00:26:57.960 that then he changed into that other outfit at some point with the dark blue jeans, the dark long sleeve

00:27:07.180 shirt with the flag and the Eagle on it. And I don't know if he changed the cap, the sneakers would track

00:27:12.320 because they were gray converse sneakers that he changed into that. And then they say that when

00:27:18.620 they arrested him last night at 10 PM Utah time, so midnight East coast, he was wearing the original

00:27:25.940 outfit, the plain maroon t-shirt, the light colored shorts and the black hat with white logo and the

00:27:32.540 light colored shoes. So that's interesting to me because was he like all these details were not made

00:27:38.800 clear. You know, we're just on here on this. We're shooting darts. Cause they, I do not believe they

00:27:42.840 said that they arrested him at his home or that when the dad called they were at the home. I don't

00:27:47.600 know, but why would he be wearing the same outfit at the time of the arrest? That's another, that's

00:27:55.600 another question I have. Um, let's see TMZ. Yeah. Also reporting that he urged the son to turn

00:28:02.800 himself in, but that the son initially refused. He didn't want to do it originally. And now again,

00:28:08.760 you see the daily mail adding or the New York post adding that in fact, what he wanted to do was take

00:28:13.580 his own life. And that was something unusual about this crime. So often we've seen these shooters

00:28:21.180 and these, you know, public events wind up taking their own lives. And I mean, if there's one silver

00:28:28.360 lining to what happened at this awful event, it's that not, not more people were killed,

00:28:34.440 you know, I mean, these kids, they were, they were like sitting ducks down below the shooter.

00:28:40.860 And if he'd been using a different kind of weapon or had more weapons or had more

00:28:46.580 evil in his heart, I suppose he could have decided to take out not just Charlie, but people who were

00:28:52.540 supporting Charlie by showing up, he didn't. Um, and he didn't take his own life. And that too is

00:29:00.360 a blessing in a way. I have absolutely no empathy for this young man, none. Um, it's better that he's

00:29:06.300 alive so we can study him a bit. It may be futile. You know, it may be futile. I don't know, but it's

00:29:16.100 worth a shot. It's worth a try because we all have kids. We, we have kids who need to go to college.

00:29:23.040 We have kids who need to live in this world. We have kids who are grow up, going to grow up and

00:29:27.720 go to work in New York city buildings. Like we saw two months ago where a shooter showed up and started

00:29:33.060 firing, taking out innocence there. We have to figure out the motivations here because it's happening

00:29:39.700 too frequently. And you know, our side, the side of reason and rationality, who doesn't just say

00:29:46.940 ban guns. Okay. That wouldn't have helped arena on the Charlotte light rail, you know, like banning

00:29:55.360 the guns. It's, it's totally not possible. And there's 400 million guns in the country. Okay. So

00:30:00.620 it's not, it's not possible. It's not practical and it won't work because killers will kill and they'll

00:30:05.420 find a way. But our side that says it's a mental health issue. And we're right about that. We're

00:30:11.360 determined to figure out what, what was the issue? How do we intervene earlier in that person's life

00:30:18.400 and get them the hell away from the rest of us? Yes. Our first instinct is more good guys with guns.

00:30:25.320 And that makes perfect sense. And in mass shootings, that would help like at sentient school in Minneapolis 0.98

00:30:31.540 with the young Christian children. Yes. We needed a good guy with a gun there.

00:30:36.360 Here, that, that wouldn't have helped. It wouldn't have helped. You know, it's like,

00:30:42.920 yes, Charlie needed more security. The security plan was very obviously catastrophically flawed,

00:30:50.560 but this is a mental health situation where there needed to be an intervention for this guy

00:30:57.640 earlier. And it's another problem too. And this is the one that the media doesn't want to discuss.

00:31:02.740 And certainly the leftist media won't touch. And that is the radicalization of somebody who was

00:31:07.980 obviously mentally unwell. He was radicalized. He got more political in recent years. That's what his

00:31:14.220 family is saying. That's not Megyn Kelly. That's not Fox. His family is saying he got more political

00:31:21.400 in recent years. That he was filled with hate. This is, this is what the authority said about

00:31:28.420 this shooter citing his own family. That he, that he did not like Charlie Kirk and that he thought

00:31:38.540 Charlie was spreading hate. Now there is another piece of the investigation, which has to do with his

00:31:46.620 roommate. All right. So who's the roommate? Is he back at college? Again, back to my question of,

00:31:52.100 did he only last one semester as, as reported, um, in one spot or did he, was he in college? I have no

00:31:59.560 idea. Did he have some roommate with whom he was living postgraduate? No idea. These are just the

00:32:05.280 questions that I would like answered. And I I'm vetting them with you. So the authority said that they did

00:32:11.700 interview his roommate and that that roommate showed, this is after the father, I guess, had

00:32:16.780 turned him in. So they're doing their investigation now. And the roommate showed them messages on

00:32:23.020 discord. This is one of those websites where a lot of disaffected folks hang out. Not all, just some

00:32:28.960 like there and 4chan anyway, showed him messages on discord by the suspect, Tyler Robinson.

00:32:36.780 And they were messages. The way they put it was messages between Tyler and his roommate's device.

00:32:44.080 So the authority is not yet willing to say it was the actual roommate, or perhaps what they're saying

00:32:49.040 is the messages were just incoming, you know, from Tyler to the roommate who perhaps wasn't responding.

00:32:57.500 They didn't fill in those blanks. The messages were that Tyler needed to retrieve a rifle from a drop

00:33:04.180 point. Um, he needed to retrieve a rifle from a drop point and references the fact that the rifle was

00:33:12.860 left in a dark towel. And that's indeed what we were told by the authorities that they found the weapon

00:33:20.720 wrapped in a dark towel in a wooded tree, uh, area right to the side of the campus. And, um,

00:33:32.440 there was a reference here. Yeah. Okay. I actually, I can't understand my own notes. My note reads

00:33:39.660 mentioned engraving bullets. I am not sure as I read this, whether that was mentioned to the roommate

00:33:45.720 by Tyler or whether that was just the transition into the next phase of what the investigator was

00:33:51.900 revealing. So forgive me, I don't want to state the wrong thing, but then they did get into the

00:33:58.140 writings on the casings that were found with the gun on an area North of campus on this grassy area

00:34:04.480 where they found the gun. And then the, then they got into the specific messages on there,

00:34:09.360 including, as I said, notices, bulges, O-W-O, what's this? Hey, fascist catch. Oh, Bella Chow, 0.78

00:34:18.440 Bella Chow, Chow, Chow, Chow. And if you read this, you're gay. Um, that's about all we know 0.99

00:34:26.260 about the suspect here. We'll learn more. Once again, what we need is a facility in which we can lock

00:34:37.780 these people up, a humane facility that is part mental treatment and the majority lock up. That

00:34:47.200 is 65% jail and 35% mental health treatment, but it must be a humane facility to which a loving parent

00:34:56.700 would voluntarily send her child, or you will never get the moms of people like Robinson calling up and

00:35:04.620 voluntarily submitting their child. You just won't. Or look at that mom in Minneapolis. 1.00

00:35:11.740 You know, you read more about that case. There's no question this kid had mental issues, young,

00:35:15.600 young person. I mean, this person turned evil. There's no question to me that, that, that,

00:35:19.920 that guy looked possessed by a demon. All those pictures that he drew of himself, looking into the

00:35:27.300 mirror, seeing a demon, looking back at him, target practice with Jesus in the middle of the target.

00:35:32.880 Um, you know, for the children on the ammo, this sick MF her who, who was possessed by a demon. 1.00

00:35:41.580 There's, there's evil in this world. There just is. But that mother, according to reports,

00:35:48.660 she actually might not have been on board with the trans ideology that he was professing to

00:35:54.340 be succumbing to. He claimed he was going from male to female and changed his name

00:35:59.020 to a female name. And reportedly she actually didn't want to go along with it. And she was more 0.96

00:36:04.020 of like an, an, an observant Christian. And the reports were that the father was more the one

00:36:09.300 who was indulging this. My point is simply, I'll bet you that mom knew that her son was unwell.

00:36:15.860 What if there were a humane facility to which you could send your child where they would be locked up,

00:36:23.740 keeping them away from the rest of society while getting some mental health treatment, 0.60

00:36:28.400 but not thrown into a one flew over the cuckoo's nest situation. That's no parent would call that

00:36:35.000 place and say, take my kid. I mean, some would, as I've mentioned to you, I've, I've interviewed

00:36:40.220 moms of sociopaths, moms who know they're raising the next school shooter, who, whose other children 0.98

00:36:47.580 are sleeping with knives underneath their pillows because they're so terrified of their brother or

00:36:54.020 sister. It's not always boys. It can happen to girls too. And they're at their wits end. And if

00:37:00.720 no matter what the facility, they would send their child to it because a lot of these parents are just

00:37:04.940 fed up. Like they're, they're afraid. They're afraid for their own lives. They're afraid for their

00:37:08.680 other children's lives. They're afraid for society and they can't, they have nothing to do with this

00:37:13.400 kid. They, nothing they can do with this kid. You cannot find a psychologist. Look how

00:37:17.420 hard it is. Have you ever tried to get therapy? It's not that easy. It's expensive. You have to

00:37:22.080 have the right insurance. You don't know whether you're finding the right person. Think if you had

00:37:26.440 a kid who was exhibiting sociopathic behavior, you know, like in the, in some of these cases,

00:37:33.100 hurting animals, they killed the hamster, you know, tortured it. That's what happens. Who the hell

00:37:39.440 is going to take that on? Good luck finding a therapist who's going to try to therapize or talk

00:37:45.520 therapize your kid out of their sociopathy. I mean, it's just, it's impossible. So what these parents

00:37:53.080 have to do is wait until their teenager or young twenties child breaks the criminal law,

00:38:00.700 you know, breaks the law in a criminal manner. And then they become a subject of the criminal

00:38:06.080 justice system. And here in lies the problem because under today's criminal justice system,

00:38:12.260 like under the criminal justice system, we had about 20 years ago, you would get locked up and

00:38:18.720 you would get mental health treatment while in jail, by the way, but you would be locked up.

00:38:22.700 But in our system today, the odds are overwhelming that you won't be. I mean, especially if you add any

00:38:27.780 sort of minority status into your, your profile, if you're black, if you're trans, if you're a furry,

00:38:34.540 I don't know what this guy was, but that'll all help you instead of raising even more alarm bells.

00:38:40.020 If you say you're a furry or you're trans in today's criminal justice system, it will help you. 1.00

00:38:46.160 And I mean, times 10, if you happen to be a person of color, that, that greatly will help you. 1.00

00:38:51.480 It should, that should not be an enhancing factor or something that should alarm people like the

00:38:55.680 others, but it certainly shouldn't change your sentencing for the better.

00:39:01.260 Um, and so that's, what's happening. These people, they don't get locked up

00:39:04.720 in today's society. They get put through that revolving door and sent right back out to us.

00:39:09.220 And that's what happened in the case of the Charlotte light rail murder of the Ukrainian

00:39:14.280 refugee. And in this man's case, we have no idea, no idea. What if any signs he had shown of mental

00:39:21.400 illness certainly seems like the roommate knew more than was volunteered. I mean, I've got questions

00:39:27.680 that the Utah governor said, there's not another suspect and they don't anticipate at this time,

00:39:33.880 any other arrests. Okay. So the roommate got these texts and obviously knew his roommate was the

00:39:40.740 shooter. I mean, is there any world in which he didn't know his roommate was the shooter?

00:39:47.580 And he's texting him about retrieving the rifle on the grassy knoll that's been folded into a towel.

00:39:53.440 When all the news reports say that's exactly what happened outside of the Charlie Kirk shooting,

00:39:58.480 I suppose it's possible. The roommate had his head in the sand, but I'm going to guarantee you

00:40:02.620 that's not the case because if you live with the shooter, you know, that's another person who knew

00:40:07.380 there was something off with Robinson. That's the way this works. That's my guess. All right. But

00:40:14.160 it's a good one. So why didn't he contact authorities? Maybe I'm being too hard on him. Maybe he did.

00:40:21.420 They got 7,000 tips. Maybe his was one of them and they hadn't gotten to him yet. I don't know.

00:40:27.960 Kind of feel like if I had received those text messages and they hadn't yet caught anybody and

00:40:32.380 you could see that there was a national manhunt on, I think I'd be walking down to the local field

00:40:36.980 office at the FBI with my phone. I think that's what I would do. Thank God nothing else happened

00:40:45.500 with this suspect from the time Charlie was assassinated forward. Thank God. It's truly like

00:40:52.120 what, what if he had killed somebody else? How would the roommate feel then?

00:40:57.180 It's just, if you, if you see something, say something, you know, that saying was all over New York

00:41:01.500 after 9-11. Yeah. That applies when it comes to these young would-be shooters too. Like the guy who

00:41:09.140 did Sandy Hook, forget the guy who did Charlotte, North Carolina. That guy was such a fucking hot mess.

00:41:14.940 Everybody saw something and did say something. And you had a woke DEI pushed judicial system that said,

00:41:22.460 let him out. He's homeless and he's an addict. Oh, and he's a black man in America. And that's 1.00

00:41:30.280 what happened there. This guy, time will tell. Um, oh boy. My husband was talking to me this morning

00:41:42.360 and told me that Charlie's podcast has been off the charts this week. And we were both just kind of,

00:41:55.600 you know, lamenting, like he's number one on the charts and he's not here to celebrate it. You know,

00:42:03.160 he can't, what an achievement. People are interested in him. You know, they were interested in him before

00:42:09.560 he died, but I will say like, there's something, can I just say, this is a petty moment, but it's really

00:42:14.120 bothering me how Fox news is talking about Charlie. Like he was theirs. Like he was one of theirs. Well,

00:42:20.640 he wasn't, it's a lie. Just stop. Okay. There were some people on Fox who I think really did like

00:42:26.840 Charlie and got along with Charlie and were friends with Charlie, but Fox news would, they wouldn't put

00:42:30.940 Charlie on. Okay. I know this from my own behind the scenes conversations, and I'm not going to

00:42:35.420 specify from whom, but they, they were annoyed on team Charlie because he was banned. They wouldn't

00:42:42.500 put him on. He had been too supportive of Tucker. He was considered just other. They put him on in

00:42:49.300 July to cohost Fox and friends, which was a shock. They finally caught on to his magic and they had

00:42:55.100 him on Will Kane's show, I think in August. And that, and prior to that, that's it years and years

00:43:01.980 ago, 10 years ago. Yeah. Okay. But it's just, all right, it's fine. You know, like I'm, I'm not saying

00:43:09.640 they shouldn't mourn Charlie's loss. It's just, all I want to say is he was one of ours. He was someone

00:43:18.020 who was an insurgent. He was in the digital lane. He was independent, fiercely independent.

00:43:24.780 And while he was a rising star who would say yes to anyone. I mean, he was on everybody's podcast

00:43:29.320 doing the shows like surrounded, going to the Oxford union. It's funny. Cause a lot of these

00:43:33.980 things I I've also been invited to do, but I say no to most of them because I'm not as into like

00:43:41.240 appearing in public as Charlie was. Um, and I really want to be present for my children who are

00:43:46.620 at an age where they need their mom. Um, I mean, at every age you need your mom,

00:43:51.580 but you know what I'm saying? Um, Charlie was ubiquitous in his appearances. Uh,

00:43:59.260 anyway, he, he was loving, forgiving and would say yes to anyone. It's just, he was independent.

00:44:06.440 He built his own thing. He created his own platform. He rose to power on his own, notwithstanding

00:44:11.480 the absence of help from a lot of, a lot of these big platforms that did their level best to demonize

00:44:17.820 Charlie and turning point, you know? So it's just, okay. Just don't want revisionist history

00:44:24.520 to try to fold him in where he, where he wasn't and try to, you know, make him out to be some sort

00:44:32.800 of a platform player, which he wasn't. In any event, his show today, which is, which, which was put out

00:44:45.100 starts with an empty chair and Charlie's team commemorates him. Let's watch it badly to do this

00:44:54.840 show for all of you today. And I wanted the friends of this show and of Charlie that knew him best,

00:45:03.600 the thought crime crew to be here in the studio, to commemorate our friend, our dear brother

00:45:12.260 for this sacred and solemn moment, this occasion, none of us ever dreamed we would have to do.

00:45:20.560 And here we are because Charlie would want us to be here. He would be upset if we weren't here.

00:45:30.240 And we, of course, have left his chair open and empty because nobody will ever fill it. Nobody could

00:45:38.340 ever hope to. That's Andrew Colvitt, Charlie's right-hand man. We've dealt with Andrew countless times.

00:45:49.160 Anytime they want to book you, anytime you want to book Charlie, you know, I would laugh many,

00:45:53.520 many times when I go on Charlie's show and we'd be waiting, you know, for the hit to start. And,

00:45:57.380 you know, he's, he did, he did everything for Charlie. I used to say he's like a Charlie's

00:46:01.180 executive producer and his Abby all in one. Like he just did everything for Charlie. They were

00:46:05.640 extremely tight and man, he had Charlie's back. I mean, the amount of pain that poor Andrew must be

00:46:13.260 going through this week is hard to really understand. This is coming in now. NBC News spoke

00:46:21.360 to a neighbor of the accused shooter. Her name is Kristen Schweierman, a neighbor of the suspect's

00:46:29.660 family. She described him as smart, quiet, that he never caused any problems. It was a shock. I am

00:46:36.460 shocked. Very shocked. She said, quote, my son texted me and said, Hey, this is Tyler Robinson that

00:46:43.320 lives three doors down. And I'm like, no, it can't be. It's shocking. She said, that's not who's in our

00:46:49.680 neighborhood. I feel for his mom. She's a great mom and he has a great dad. Yeah, that tracks. Not

00:46:57.140 surprised. It tracks based on what we saw on their social media. So what happened? Something.

00:47:09.160 I can't help escaping the irony of why was Charlie killed on a college campus?

00:47:17.180 That's because that's where he spent his time. He was there by design. James Rosen of Newsmax did a

00:47:24.460 great obit on Charlie the other day. We'll drop it in here for the, for the podcast listeners in part

00:47:31.740 and, and the, and the YouTubers need to see this piece that I'm referencing. But in the obit,

00:47:37.440 he ran the original graphic that Charlie came up with for turning point when he was literally in

00:47:43.320 his parents' garage in Illinois as an 18 year old. The beginning of this whole obit is terrific. We

00:47:48.700 should run that. America watched Charlie Kirk grow up.

00:47:52.180 Fiscal conservatism is taking over the youth. Believe and we will win in November.

00:47:58.400 In 2012, when President Obama cruised to reelection and liberal commentators were busy

00:48:03.860 proclaiming the death of conservatism, 18 year old Charlie Kirk, a college dropout from the

00:48:09.260 Chicago suburbs, launched turning point USA, an engine for recruiting and mobilizing conservative

00:48:15.200 youth across the country. The rise of TP USA mirrored and fueled that of Donald Trump. And today,

00:48:23.300 the group claims more than 250,000 members across some 800 chapters.

00:48:28.480 He inspired a whole new generation of young conservative leaders.

00:48:34.260 This is Charlie Kirk from turning point USA. And let's discuss how Washington DC is playing a game

00:48:41.980 of loans on our young people with his telegenic looks rhetorical gifts and carefully crafted appeal

00:48:48.300 to young voters. Kirk himself became a multimedia phenomenon. America's number one young conservative

00:48:54.400 on TV, radio, the internet, social media, podcasting. This is the kind of guy

00:48:59.760 that you can see really becoming big in politics as he gets older. It just carries the personality,

00:49:10.220 the charisma. I had a passion for something and I wanted to go after it. And the more I traveled,

00:49:14.540 the more I realized there was this huge need for a youth organization in the country that embraced

00:49:21.320 freedom and liberty. Kirk could throw sharp punches, as when he told a Georgia audience last year,

00:49:27.120 the Democrats stand for everything God hates. But mostly he used facts and the Socratic method

00:49:32.560 to disarm the young liberal students who flocked to his events to engage him and who on that basis,

00:49:38.540 seldom left disappointed. If it comes down to that person's life and their well-being,

00:49:43.600 why should they not choose themselves? Okay, no, but we're talking about two different things.

00:49:45.100 So life of the mother is extremely rare. It's not that rare though. How many times do you think that

00:49:50.340 there are abortions for the life of the mother out of 1.5 million abortions every year? How much 1.00

00:49:54.640 do you think? I'm not sure with a number off the top of my head. Less than 500 out of 1.5 million.

00:50:01.020 At the end of his life, Kirk was more optimistic than ever, as Trump 2.0 carried forward so much of

00:50:06.680 the anti-woke domestic policy agenda the young activists had pressed for more than a decade.

00:50:11.860 How are you feeling overall about the health of America right now? We're making huge strides,

00:50:15.980 and, but we also have a lot of battles to fight, don't we?

00:50:20.400 Yes, we do. Look, we're in the midst of a major, let's say, fight and struggle for the reclamation

00:50:26.160 of the American Republic. And President Donald Trump is doing incredible right now.

00:50:29.800 Charlie Kirk was 31 in Washington. James Rosen, Newsmax.

00:50:34.020 It shows just, I mean, it's so rudimentary. You know, it almost looks like Charlie drew it.

00:50:40.120 It's clear the guy has no professional help. He's so young. He's so green. And he had this idea

00:50:48.900 of going onto college campuses to try to change people's minds about conservatism. He was a huge

00:50:56.460 Rush Limbaugh fan. He would spend his free time in high school listening to Rush. You know,

00:51:03.040 some people go out like into the smoking section and play hacky sack. Okay. That's back when I was a

00:51:07.680 kid. Not Charlie. He was sneaking in Rush Limbaugh, which explains a lot. And had this idea to build an

00:51:15.980 organization that spoke directly to these college students. The irony, of course, right? Because he

00:51:20.660 would never become one. So he started going on college campuses and he was convinced by a conservative

00:51:29.440 mentor to like take a gap year rather than go and see out a freshman year of college, take a gap year

00:51:37.240 and to consider working on his activism because this guy could see real promise in Charlie. And so he did.

00:51:44.080 And his gap year turned into what he told me was a gap decade. And he spent the vast majority of that

00:51:51.860 on college campuses trying to persuade college kids to revisit their feelings about conservatism.

00:51:58.640 That is what brought him to Utah Valley University this week. You know, he was there fighting the good

00:52:06.520 fight because kids who go to college these days are sent into indoctrination factories.

00:52:13.040 The every professor they have is a hard left liberal. The administration tends to be hard left liberals.

00:52:17.760 Their fellow students are at least taught that they have to pretend that they are hard left liberals.

00:52:23.480 And Charlie was trying to encourage students to A, reject that and B, if they were secret

00:52:27.580 closeted conservatives to come out and fight for their ideals and spread conservatism.

00:52:37.380 And if that's what happened, if this shooter lived a relatively normal life and then went to college

00:52:46.600 college where his mental health deteriorated and he was radicalized on his college campus,

00:52:52.820 it'll come to the surprise of no one. It'll be something we on the right want to talk about

00:53:00.480 and take a hard look at. And it will be something like trans ideology factoring into any shooting

00:53:06.300 that will get utterly ignored. Even listening to today's reports about what was written on the

00:53:12.360 cartridges. Everyone's skipping right over the one about noticing, notice bulges. We're not talking

00:53:17.940 about that one. They're okay with the fascist stuff, but they're skipping right over what was on the

00:53:22.600 bullet that actually hit Charlie Kirk. We have a lot more to discuss. I really want to show you

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00:55:11.380 who is now in custody and arrested, accused of aggravated murder. His grandmother has been reached

00:55:22.100 by the Daily Mail. They do report that the family is Republican, though, again, Michael

00:55:28.920 Schellenberger says he reviewed 13 years of social media and didn't see a single political tweet

00:55:35.040 whatsoever. They may be registered Republicans, though the shooter was not. He had no affiliate.

00:55:42.260 He was registered unaffiliated. They say, yeah, he grew up in a, quote, staunchly Republican,

00:55:49.920 Trump backing family, according to the Daily Mail. Breaking her silence on Friday, Tyler Robinson's

00:55:55.520 grandmother, Debbie Robinson, 69, said she is stunned by the charges against her grandson,

00:56:00.280 describing him as a quiet, reserve young man who never spoke politics, despite his father's

00:56:07.320 staunch Trump support. My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump. Debbie, who also lives in

00:56:14.420 Washington, Utah, told the Daily Mail. Tyler, the son, is the shyest person, she added. He has never,

00:56:21.220 ever spoke politics to me at all. Most of my family members are Republican. I don't know any

00:56:28.420 single one who's a Democrat. I'm just so confused. I mean, I wish I could say I were confused about

00:56:36.160 that particular dynamic, but I'm not, because it doesn't look like this kid was political one way

00:56:42.480 or the other, and then he went off to the indoctrination factory that is college and

00:56:47.200 appears to have had a mental break. And look, it could have been anything. You know, he could have

00:56:52.580 had a mental break and been triggered by something else, but the left-wing ideology that is pushed on

00:56:57.560 students on every college campus in this country is radicalizing millions of them. They don't all go

00:57:05.280 out and shoot somebody, but I would be doing Charlie a disservice if I did not underscore that it is

00:57:13.140 radicalizing millions of them. He was in a lifelong mission to undo it, to fight against it. I mean,

00:57:22.080 the irony that it's what killed him, that it's what got him killed. One source is adding here from CNN,

00:57:31.580 the man who allegedly shot and killed Charlie is now not talking to investigators, say two sources

00:57:37.520 familiar. One source said that the man was talking with some law enforcement initially, but quickly

00:57:43.260 went silent after he lawyered up this morning. It's unclear what he discussed with officers before.

00:57:47.440 I don't really care. I don't care. We have messages. This kid's fucked. He's going to be found

00:57:55.260 guilty. Okay. That's just all there is to it. It's very obvious. These messages that the roommate

00:57:59.460 showed it's over, it's over, not to mention his alleged confession to his own father,

00:58:04.680 but we, we pulled up exactly what the governor said. And I was right. The governor did say that

00:58:11.320 among other things, Tyler, the accused here mentioned the engravings he did on the bullet

00:58:18.780 casings. It's kind of, it's kind of a silver bullet for a prosecutor. I'll read you exactly what he said.

00:58:24.940 Oh, we have a shot. That's even better. Let's listen.

00:58:30.160 These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone

00:58:36.100 contact name, Tyler, with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these

00:58:42.820 messages included messages affiliated with the contact, Tyler, stating a need to retrieve a rifle

00:58:50.120 from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to a, to visually watching the

00:58:57.980 area where a rifle was left and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The

00:59:05.940 messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique

00:59:13.140 messages from the contact. Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

00:59:19.400 I mean, all of that's going to come into evidence and it will, we don't need his confession. We don't

00:59:25.160 need his talking to investigators. We don't need any, he already talked. He talked plenty. He talked to

00:59:30.340 the roommate through those writings, which were, will be admissible. And he talked to his dad and they

00:59:35.180 talked to the youth minister. And then they talked to law enforcement last night before he lawyered up.

00:59:39.700 So, um, it's not going to go well for Tyler and he's looking at a death penalty case now. And we'll see

00:59:46.900 whether the governor dials that back now, but that's what he said before the arrest last night.

00:59:53.200 And he's been charged, as I pointed out with aggravated murder. And by the way,

00:59:58.340 inevitably in these cases, you get some sort of insanity defense when they, when as here,

01:00:03.220 they have the person dead to rights, then that's going to be a huge uphill battle for this guy.

01:00:07.740 Because right now, no one's saying he was insane. Listen to what I just read to you from the grandma.

01:00:13.900 He's like, shy. That's it. Had a roommate. The roommate didn't apparently say to cops,

01:00:19.420 he's an insane person. He did it. The roommate didn't even bother to call cops from the look of

01:00:23.760 it. Still has an asterisk next to it. Don't totally understand what the sequence of events

01:00:28.720 was there, but haven't heard anything about people jumping up and down that, you know,

01:00:32.480 he was crazy. And then you look at the way he pulled off the crime, you know, he, the, the,

01:00:39.860 like diligence with which he committed the execution, the video that they released last

01:00:46.780 night, we talked about it in great detail on morning update, AM update, but we don't do video

01:00:51.640 on that show. And I'll show it to you here that like the video that was released by the law enforcement

01:01:00.740 last night. And I think to my team, this is video two. Um, so it shows them zeroing in and then they

01:01:07.220 show the rooftop and you can see him. He was first prone. He runs across the roof. He hangs. He dang,

01:01:15.080 there he is. If you check your top, top right of your screen, he's now into like the white corner of

01:01:19.360 that. There he is. Now he's about to get down off the roof. He dangles for a couple seconds. Here it is.

01:01:25.640 One, two, three, and he's down four seconds. By the way, they said they got a handprint on the top

01:01:34.120 of that roof and they got a footprint from the grass. That handprint will be directly traceable

01:01:38.760 to somebody. And they definitely got handprints from the inside of the stairwell when he walked

01:01:43.080 up to get to this roof because they have, that's where they got the still shots from where he's just

01:01:47.460 wearing the black shirt with the American flag with the Eagle on it. You can see him touching the

01:01:52.520 handrails. So they're going to have fingerprints from that. They said that they got a palm print

01:01:56.340 from the weapon. I mean, this is like, we don't need this guy's confession. Everything he did is a

01:02:00.580 confession. But my point is simply methodical. Forgive the way this is phrased, but well executed.

01:02:11.100 And I just simply mean not, not the erratic behavior of a crazed lunatic, but the controlled,

01:02:18.560 methodical, determined, logical behavior of an assassin. So none of that is good for him

01:02:27.940 in trying to wiggle out of this. I guarantee you, given the amount of evidence against him,

01:02:32.480 we're going to see some sort of a mental defect defense. What other choice do they have?

01:02:37.820 You know, neither his parents nor his lawyer are going to want to just watch him be executed.

01:02:43.760 And here we may see another attempt to plead guilty with a life in prison sentence to avoid

01:02:50.740 the death penalty. What will they do? Was Charlie given the chance to live? If he pled out with this

01:03:00.420 guy, was he given the chance to plead for his life at all? I think we all know the answer to that.

01:03:06.000 I have no empathy for this guy. None, none whatsoever. Even Trump, he had some thoughts

01:03:13.360 on the death penalty. And he offered them on Fox and Friends with respect to this case this morning,

01:03:20.660 Sot 3.

01:03:22.860 I hope he was going to be found guilty, I would imagine. And I hope he gets the death penalty.

01:03:29.300 What he did, Charlie Kirk was the finest person. He didn't deserve this. He worked so hard and so

01:03:34.980 well. Everybody liked him. I've been watching. Even the left is having a hard time. They fired

01:03:39.780 this guy, Dowd, from MSDNC, who's a terrible guy, terrible human being. But they fired him. I hear

01:03:46.340 they're firing other people. MSNBC, but NBC, ABC, CBS, they're all terrible. Absolutely terrible and

01:03:53.420 unfair. But even they have been giving it sort of like, this can't be allowed to happen.

01:03:57.820 Here is the information on the aggravated murder statute in Utah. An actor commits aggravated

01:04:09.640 murder if the actor intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another individual under the

01:04:14.060 following circumstances, any of the following circumstances. One, the actor knowingly created

01:04:20.060 a great risk of death to another individual other than the deceased individual and the actor.

01:04:24.360 That's the end of it. We don't have to keep reading. He took his rifle. He aimed it at Charlie,

01:04:35.360 who is in the midst of a crowd of thousands, and he fired. There is a risk that you will miss and you

01:04:41.440 will shoot others. There is a risk that you will inadvertently shoot more than one person, that your

01:04:46.520 bullet will go through one person and into another. This is, I think this is a slam dunk.

01:04:51.320 Two, the actor committed homicide in an especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved

01:04:59.260 manner, any of which must be demonstrated by physical torture, serious bodily, sorry, serious

01:05:05.660 physical abuse, or serious bodily injury of the deceased individual before death. That one's less

01:05:13.240 clear. And then it concludes with penalty for aggravated murder can be death if a notice of intent to

01:05:21.000 seek the death penalty has been filed. It's up to life in prison without notice, without notice of

01:05:26.900 intent to seek the death penalty. Well, the governor already said he's going to be seeking it this

01:05:30.180 morning. And he already knew that it was a 22-year-old man named Tyler Robinson who was in

01:05:35.640 custody. So he's not, you know, I just, I can, like already what we're getting from the left is

01:05:43.180 it's a white Christian Republican kid. I don't know whether, again, he does not appear to be a

01:05:49.800 Republican. He comes from a Republican family. I don't give a shit. I don't care if he was a

01:05:53.820 registered Republican. I don't care if he appeared at a Trump rally wearing a MAGA hat. His bullets told

01:05:57.940 us the story. His, his family said he hated Charlie Kirk, thought that Charlie spread hate. And his bullets

01:06:05.340 said he thought Charlie was a fascist and that he, the shooter, had some weird association with the

01:06:12.480 furry community and also had some weird gay reference there. I don't know what that one meant, but I, I know 1.00

01:06:18.260 what fascist means. And I know it was on one of his bullets. Um, and it was pretty explicit. Hold on

01:06:27.480 because it's been an hour now and I didn't, I don't have it right in front of me, but just for those of you

01:06:30.440 who want to know explicitly, this is what it said. Standby. Notice bulges. That's the one that was fired

01:06:39.780 into Charlie. Notices bulges. O-W-O. What is this? And if you Google that notices bulges O-W-O,

01:06:47.300 you'll see that is a furry meme also used in gaming. Unfired casing one. Hey fascist catch 0.60

01:06:54.600 with three down arrow symbols. Unfired casing number two. Oh, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella

01:07:00.400 ciao, ciao, ciao. A reference to it. An anti-fascist song out of Italy and unfired casing number three.

01:07:06.180 If you read this, you are gay. L-M-A-O. Um, okay. I want to, I want to keep going because I really 1.00

01:07:13.580 want to get to what, what's circulating right now. So JD Vance went out to Utah yesterday with Usha,

01:07:24.060 second lady Usha Vance, and they picked up the Kirk family that was in Utah with Charlie grieving.

01:07:31.020 I mean, I'm sure Erica flew out there immediately to be with everybody and pick them up in Air Force

01:07:38.040 Two, including Charlie's remains. Even just saying that seems unbelievable to me. I'm just still like,

01:07:45.700 and here you can see when they disembarked, getting back to Arizona, Erica Kirk disembarking

01:07:54.700 with Usha holding hands, vice president following behind. And Usha Vance just seems like the person,

01:08:01.920 the perfect person for that job. She's, she's so smart. She's such an empathetic person. I've met

01:08:06.620 her. She's totally beautiful in the truest sense of that word. I don't know. Maybe God sent her,

01:08:12.760 you know, maybe, maybe Charlie sent her to go be with Erica. I can see her being a great comfort

01:08:21.520 in a moment like that. And the video of JD Vance walking as a pallbearer on the front of Charlie's

01:08:31.880 casket as it approaches Air Force Two is something remarkable. For the listening audience, we're

01:08:38.460 showing it now. The wind is blowing in Utah. You see, I count one, two, three, four, four or more

01:08:48.160 service personnel in the military. Of course, JD Vance is a retired Marine on the front of this

01:08:53.700 casket, a brown casket, which they took from the hearse inching toward Air Force Two. I know for a

01:09:03.140 fact, Charlie wrote on Air Force One. I'll bet he wrote on Air Force Two because he and JD were quite

01:09:08.060 close. And just the thought of Charlie having been on Air Force Two with JD Vance as a friend and a

01:09:14.100 colleague and a supporter. And now his final trip back home to Arizona on that Air Force Two again,

01:09:23.080 though this time in a casket. It's just awful. Poor Erica. Her long blonde hair blowing in the breeze. 0.67

01:09:32.700 This woman is spectacular. She's stunningly beautiful, but she's equally smart. You always can find her in a 1.00

01:09:43.320 crowd because of the long blonde hair, you know, the long flowing blonde hair, the sparkling blue eyes. 0.98

01:09:50.120 And there's a great video circulating online. It's about 10 minutes long. I think it was a

01:09:54.640 Turning Point production with both of them. It's just just cuts between Erica and Charlie on how they

01:10:01.280 met. We have about two minutes of a cut. You're going to enjoy this. They are only our toughest

01:10:07.340 decision this morning was deciding what not to put in. Watch this.

01:10:12.240 What was it like dating Erica? Very fun. I mean, she's incredibly loyal, a great sport about traveling

01:10:18.720 and about always having my back. You know, for those people that know me, you know, I sit around most

01:10:25.120 times and don't do much and adverse to traveling, very shy, trying to find my purpose in life. So she was

01:10:33.300 obviously very helpful at fixing all those things. I truly feel as if every piece of my life prepared

01:10:41.040 me to date him and eventually obviously marry him, but to date him. And I say that because ever since

01:10:48.000 I was little and even after college and adult years, I traveled all the time and I was used to being

01:10:56.100 living out of a suitcase. I was used to a very unconventional schedule. I was used to the

01:11:02.740 entrepreneur mindset and just in the mode of building and building and building. And so I got

01:11:08.280 him. I understood that. I understood his sporadic schedule because mine was just as sporadic. And I

01:11:13.340 understood the sleepless nights and I understood like having to make the time for someone. It's not

01:11:20.380 just, it doesn't just come to you. You have to, you have to work at it. You have to invest into it. And so

01:11:25.320 dating each other, it was, I, I loved it. I mean, we got to know each other. You, I tell you what,

01:11:32.780 you learn something about someone a lot more quickly by traveling with them than you do just

01:11:40.200 seeing them on a weekend for just a getaway. When you travel with someone and you have to go through

01:11:44.560 TSA and you have to go through all the different airports and you have to deal with hotel rooms not

01:11:50.320 being ready and car rentals not working out and missing your flight and every logistic you can

01:11:55.180 imagine because you see every flavor of someone's humanity. And we just, I don't, God literally made

01:12:03.080 us for each other. She's always, she was always such a great sport with all the chaos that is my life

01:12:08.140 and turning point USA and my biggest fan and my biggest cheerleader and always being just so

01:12:14.220 full of grace and wanting to see me succeed. In the video, they talk about how they, they met at

01:12:23.560 turning point. Erica was actually seeking a job. She was living in Manhattan at the time and she was

01:12:29.140 seeking a job and Charlie said, he sent her a text, I guess saying, I'll meet you at, I think he said like

01:12:34.200 Bill's Burgers in New York where he didn't live, you know, he's in Arizona. And she said she'd been

01:12:41.480 living in Manhattan for years. She'd never even heard of Bob's Burgers or Bill's Burgers, same by the

01:12:45.860 way. And, uh, but she said, okay, fine. She wanted the job. So she and Charlie met at Bill's and sat there

01:12:52.360 for three hours talking and she's thinking she's on a job interview the whole time. And it cuts to him

01:12:58.460 sort of being like, I moved past whether I wanted to hire her and it moved on pretty quickly to whether I

01:13:04.500 wanted to date her. And, um, at the end she said something like, did I get the job? And he said,

01:13:12.380 no, I don't want to hire you. And she was like, oh, okay. She already had a job. So she was like, 0.86

01:13:16.560 okay, I'll just keep doing my current job. And he said, I want to date you. And she said something to

01:13:21.580 the effect of, can I think it over? And he said, sure, you can think it over until tomorrow night

01:13:25.300 when I'm going to take you out again. It's just so great. Charlie had such swagger, you know,

01:13:30.600 that was something that we loved about him. He was, he had swagger and confidence, but in a

01:13:35.420 gentlemanly way. I played that soundbite the other day of him on courtship. You know, when he was

01:13:39.880 talking to those two young podcasters on, of course you must pay for the first date as a, as the guy

01:13:44.100 when you are courting a woman that, that the, uh, the money you save is not worth the honor you

01:13:49.940 sacrifice. And I guarantee you he paid at Bill's burgers and that he paid the next night too,

01:13:55.720 because he was a gentleman. He was an old school gentleman. And by the way,

01:13:59.800 people, this is one of those things that people give Charlie a hard time for. He used to say

01:14:03.220 they were living a Christian life. I mean, deeply Christian, both of them. And he used to say,

01:14:08.180 he said on, I think a few, more than one occasion that I heard publicly, women submit to your

01:14:13.740 husbands. Oh, well that drove leftist women in particular, absolutely nuts. Now I am not living

01:14:22.160 that kind of a life. I, I, I don't live like that with Doug. I don't submit to Doug exactly. Like we kind

01:14:27.260 of both submit to each other, to be honest with you. Um, but I understood exactly what he was

01:14:32.040 saying. They had a traditional Christian marriage where Charlie was the head of household. He was

01:14:36.720 the patriarch and she was the matriarch. And she explains in this video what that means, you know,

01:14:42.880 how she enjoyed making a home that would rise up to meet Charlie when he got home. And she would ask

01:14:49.300 him, how can I make it more comfortable for you? How can I support you when you come home from these

01:14:54.000 busy trips where you're building for our family and taking care of us? And they would wake up every

01:14:58.960 day saying, you know, how can I make your day better and more aligned with our faith and our

01:15:04.180 belief in Christ and live in a more God-like manner? That's what they meant. He was the head

01:15:09.980 of household and he would make certain decisions and she was fine with that. You could see she's a

01:15:12.980 very assertive, smart young woman. It's not like, Erica, you do exactly as I tell you. You know,

01:15:19.260 it's not, it's not the way I live, but I had absolutely no judgment for the way they lived

01:15:23.680 and it totally worked for them. They were mad for each other. And I can't help but think about

01:15:30.000 it now because she must feel so lost. She must feel so lost without him and so in need of him right

01:15:37.600 now. You know, like the, the person she needs to get her through this is the person she's lost

01:15:44.900 who, who is at the center of what she's going through. This is a picture of her in the car

01:15:52.420 being taken from the, I think from the plane back to her house. There's one where she's holding

01:16:00.740 up a cross. There's one where she's holding up a rosary. She, thank God, is a God-fearing woman.

01:16:05.940 There it is. You can see she's holding it. She loves God. She's connected with her faith and that

01:16:10.740 will help her. And she will need that mightily now. Can't help but think of the fact that

01:16:16.360 who ultimately convinced the shooter to turn himself in. It was a minister. It was a Christian

01:16:26.120 minister. I just got the chills. Who knows how the hand of fate works? Who, who sent that youth

01:16:37.900 minister there? Who inspired the dad to call, to call a minister into the house, to convince the

01:16:45.040 shooter to turn himself in? Who was behind those wheels as they spun? I don't know. It's interesting

01:16:53.280 to think about as, as Erica's there holding up the rosary and holding up the cross. And now we know

01:16:59.020 the shooter was within hours of confessing and turning himself in. It's pretty remarkable. And, you know,

01:17:05.180 there's been some criticism of Kash Patel. We'll get to that in a bit, but I give him all the credit.

01:17:10.520 They got the guy and it's not just, they got him because he turned himself in. They got him because

01:17:14.680 they, they released the photos. They kept turning up the pressure and it was the photos that led the

01:17:21.400 dad, you know, Robinson's dad to recognize his son. That's exactly what law enforcement's hoping will

01:17:28.080 happen when they release those photos. Someone, a friend, a family member, et cetera, will recognize the

01:17:33.240 photo and do something. It's how they caught Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber too. His brother recognized 0.61

01:17:38.560 the writings, uh, that were in his manifestos that were published in the papers. Why were they

01:17:44.600 published? Why did these newspapers agree to publish the rantings of a lunatic who was bombing

01:17:48.420 people? They were hoping it might trigger something for somebody like they'll recognize. And that's

01:17:53.280 exactly what happened. So he's taking some heat. I'm going to get to the criticism on Kash in a minute,

01:18:00.240 but let me just stay on Charlie and Erica. So he convinced her. She said, she, she went home.

01:18:09.880 She talked to her mom. The mom said, did you get the job? She said, no, I didn't get the job,

01:18:13.260 but I think I got a date. And mom said, that's great. Terrific. Awesome. And it seems like from

01:18:19.420 that point forward, there was no turning back. And these two are clearly perfect for each other.

01:18:23.740 They're both absolutely gorgeous. It's actually kind of funny because no offense, Charlie, but I mean,

01:18:28.960 Erica is objectively gorgeous by any person's measure, but Charlie, I had a very funny conversation

01:18:34.200 with somebody on his team who was telling me that they, that Charlie used to be a little more nerdy,

01:18:40.160 you know, like 10 years ago, he was certainly a little bit more nerdy and he was very much always in

01:18:47.000 the suit and almost looked like he was playing dress up because he was so young, like an Alex P. 0.56

01:18:51.860 Keaton type. And that they, they recently persuaded him to ditch the suits and put on a black t-shirt

01:18:59.380 and maybe let's ruffle the hair a little and go out there looking less than perfectly coiffed.

01:19:05.160 And they were saying that it worked. I mean, like his, his youth following, especially with the

01:19:12.100 female persuasion went through the roof and that's great. Whatever you can do to get people to pay 1.00

01:19:16.580 attention to your message, you do, you know? So all these young women started falling in love

01:19:21.400 with Charlie because he suddenly went from like a kind of nerdy, uh, smart kid to like this cool

01:19:27.480 MAGA type. And boy, but Charlie never looked away. He, Charlie had zero interest in anyone other than 0.99

01:19:37.960 Erica. And that was really clear. Just if you talk to Charlie at all. I mean, when I met Charlie the

01:19:43.200 first time in person, we were backstage at a turning point event down in Florida and, uh,

01:19:48.680 they had just had their first child, their daughter, and he's got the crazy event going on.

01:19:53.500 There are people everywhere. There's, you know, the president's coming in if he was not the president

01:19:56.520 at the time, but Trump was coming in. Um, all these people are coming in and who's backstage.

01:20:01.180 There's Erica on a blanket that's spread out in the middle of the chaos backstage. Yes. But like in

01:20:06.520 the middle of the chaos, she's sitting there with their baby daughter and Charlie had been sitting

01:20:10.740 there with her. I mean, his, his life was so crazy that day and he had been sitting there with her

01:20:15.820 for a bit. And, you know, that's just the kind of relationship they had. She would go on the road

01:20:19.920 with him. And I made the point that in, in AM update the other day that, uh, I love these pictures

01:20:25.780 of them at the beach with their kids and Charlie's in a suit. This is so great. It's so on brand because

01:20:32.680 he, he told me personally, he doesn't know what to do with himself while he's on vacation.

01:20:36.820 Like he keep that. He was unable to like kind of sit and veg and meditate. It's, I feel the same.

01:20:43.180 A lot of the time, like I cannot get massages because all I do is think about the million

01:20:47.280 things that are in the news. What do we run this right soundbite? Could we have done that better?

01:20:51.320 Maybe it could have been tighter tomorrow. I'll do a different thing. And he was exactly that same

01:20:56.100 way. It's not that you can't ever relax. And it's certainly not that you don't enjoy time with your

01:20:59.880 family that he did. And that I do as well, but that kind of sitting on the beach doing nothing

01:21:06.380 was not his thing, which is why I laugh when these pictures are, you know, of him in the suit.

01:21:11.900 He was a doer. He was a go-getter. And that's how he built turning point from that little operation

01:21:17.920 in his parents' garage when he was 18 and like basically hand sketching his own logo to this

01:21:24.400 juggernaut with the fire when you'd walk out and the lights and, you know, the pyrotechnics

01:21:31.060 and the great montages that made all of us look cooler than we are. And Charlie would just do it

01:21:37.700 all. He would, if you wanted to give a speech, you give a speech. If you wanted to be interviewed

01:21:41.400 by him, which I think is a little bit easier as the person appearing, that's no problem. He'll

01:21:46.240 interview everybody. Like he'll just do it. He can do it off the top of his head. Then he'd say,

01:21:50.280 let's do a podcast behind the scenes. Okay. We'll go do that too. Like endless, endless,

01:21:55.360 endless energy. As I was pointing out yesterday, he, he went to Oxford recently. He went to Japan.

01:22:02.660 He was in Japan on Sunday, Sunday doing speeches. And then he of course was in Utah kicking off his

01:22:10.480 great American comeback tour. And then there, it was going to be two months of that. And he and I

01:22:16.580 were supposed to meet in either Indiana or Virginia over the next weeks after Andy was coming to be

01:22:21.840 with me out in California in Anaheim. This is the two of us backstage in July at the turning point

01:22:27.760 event. I love, love, love this picture for the listening audience. I'm right in front of him.

01:22:33.900 We're about to walk out to stage. I sort of have the hand motions going. If that means something to

01:22:39.620 you by listening and Charlie's got the double thumbs up with huge smile, it's, we were having

01:22:46.660 fun. We're both doing exactly what we love to do. Talk about the news. And it came at a very high price

01:22:55.320 for Charlie, too high, too high. He was a happy warrior. He loved what he did. It was so good to

01:23:05.740 people. Me included. And he did not deserve to die the way he did. He did not deserve to have his life

01:23:14.620 cut short. He did not deserve to miss the childhood of his daughter or that of his 16-month-old son.

01:23:25.260 You know, the child just begun to walk. Here we sat two months ago having no idea what was

01:23:35.720 coming. Keep thinking about this soundbite that we, we had, or this exchange we had when he came on

01:23:43.260 the show. Was it, gosh, it was right after Trump won. It was in November. My team has it. And it was

01:23:53.140 when he was talking about the fact he was so in awe. We were, we ran that soundbite of him on his show,

01:23:58.200 just, you know, saying glory be to God when Trump won. And we were talking about it. And here's,

01:24:03.480 here's that exchange in November of 2024. I was humbled and blown away because I,

01:24:10.440 throughout this entire thing, I'm getting emotional thinking about it. And I'm sure you agree,

01:24:14.980 Megan. I said, there's no way they're going to, they're going to let us do this.

01:24:18.420 Something's going to happen. Right. And again, call it paranoia, call it just trying to be ahead of

01:24:24.860 the curve. And I'm sitting in the seat right here where I saw Trump got shot and like they tried to

01:24:32.880 kill him and indict him. And it's like at every turn, I'm like, here we go. The regime is striking

01:24:37.040 back. Right. And I just, you don't think you're actually going to get there because we've been

01:24:43.580 programmed to just say that like powerful people get what they want. Right. And it's, yeah, he was one

01:24:51.500 millimeter from this whole country, just going into bedlam. And what if one of these trials would

01:24:56.600 have went differently? Right. What if Jack Smith would have rushed his cases in this? I mean,

01:25:01.640 like a million different things. Right. And there you go. And you hear the words that Donald Trump

01:25:06.500 is president elect. I just, um, again, glory be to God is all I can say, because I believe there's a

01:25:12.820 divine element. I asked the question, is God done with this land? I don't think it what he is.

01:25:18.960 I think that, um, the evil that, uh, what it seems you've covered of this butchery of children is

01:25:25.120 going to come to an end. This evil of allowing men and female sports is going to come to an end. 1.00

01:25:29.960 And, um, I, we were, we were blessed to play a small role.

01:25:36.840 10 months later, he was executed.

01:25:38.620 He had doubts about whether the regime was going to let Trump win or whether they would kill him

01:25:49.320 or imprison him. And never for a moment was he thinking he would be the one who was executed.

01:25:57.640 Was it the regime? Was it a lone lunatic shooter who was having a mental break and had been

01:26:09.580 radicalized by bullshit messages about Charlie that were untrue? I don't know. Like I,

01:26:17.040 at some level, I don't care. I've got to be honest. Like I do care because we need to know,

01:26:20.340 but I just feel like who gives a shit? He's gone. None of this is going to fix that.

01:26:27.120 None of this is going to fix that.

01:26:30.820 Erica

01:26:31.340 was talking about Charlie in May of 2025

01:26:36.860 for a political event for the Arizona,

01:26:40.560 our U.S. Representative Andy Biggs running for Arizona governor.

01:26:43.340 Here she is in side eight. 0.54

01:26:46.940 He is

01:26:48.280 my husband, Charlie Kirk is a force.

01:26:52.220 He is a force.

01:26:55.140 He is

01:26:56.380 bold

01:26:57.540 when the world demands silence.

01:27:00.440 He is

01:27:01.640 fearless where others flinch.

01:27:03.760 And he has taken on the battle

01:27:05.420 of the next generation 0.53

01:27:07.000 changing these hearts and minds.

01:27:09.260 I know you guys have seen it at the college campuses

01:27:11.040 changing the hearts and minds of these kids.

01:27:14.780 It's not a career to him.

01:27:16.940 It's a calling.

01:27:18.480 And it's so incredible to see as a wife

01:27:21.980 how God has prepared him,

01:27:25.280 how God has molded him and used him.

01:27:28.880 All while he's doing that,

01:27:31.120 he's still the spiritual head of our family.

01:27:34.180 It is my honor

01:27:35.120 to be able to introduce you guys

01:27:37.760 to one of the greatest fighters that I know.

01:27:41.480 who is so intentional,

01:27:43.620 who is so amazing.

01:27:45.800 And he never backs down from the fight

01:27:47.700 because he knows

01:27:48.620 who

01:27:49.400 and what he fights for.

01:27:51.420 And that is God.

01:27:53.080 It's his family

01:27:53.960 and

01:27:55.040 it's country.

01:27:56.280 I want to introduce you guys

01:27:57.720 to my husband, Charlie Kirk.

01:27:58.980 We'll be right back.

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01:29:16.260 That cookie

01:29:17.140 calling your name

01:29:18.000 at 3 p.m.,

01:29:19.240 I just thought

01:29:20.180 I was alone in that.

01:29:21.180 It calls everybody's name?

01:29:22.320 I mean,

01:29:22.480 I didn't know that,

01:29:23.440 but it definitely

01:29:24.340 calls my name.

01:29:25.140 I mean,

01:29:25.780 yeah,

01:29:26.260 loudly.

01:29:27.180 The midnight fridge raids,

01:29:28.800 all right,

01:29:29.080 I'm not going to lie,

01:29:29.700 I don't do that,

01:29:30.340 but I do hear that cookie

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01:29:32.260 The extra slice of pizza

01:29:33.400 you swore you wouldn't eat?

01:29:34.440 Okay,

01:29:34.720 that too.

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01:31:36.720 Charlie, hey,

01:31:37.420 it's Megan Kelly.

01:31:38.020 Can you hear me?

01:31:39.280 Yes, I can.

01:31:40.120 Hi, Megan.

01:31:40.740 How are you?

01:31:41.400 I have one request.

01:31:43.220 Yeah, lay it on me.

01:31:44.140 Would it be possible

01:31:45.220 at some point

01:31:46.320 that I call the SOT?

01:31:49.240 Just one.

01:31:50.100 Just one.

01:31:50.820 Because I love watching you do that.

01:31:52.880 I thought, okay,

01:31:53.440 if I ever do her show,

01:31:54.880 I'm going to ask

01:31:55.640 that I just activate

01:31:56.660 one SOT.

01:31:58.260 Is it time?

01:31:59.220 It's time.

01:32:00.320 Play SOT 5.

01:32:02.200 Charlie Sheen.

01:32:03.140 His life has been

01:32:03.680 a wild ride.

01:32:04.700 I was really hard

01:32:06.300 to control.

01:32:07.440 I'm by winning.

01:32:09.340 I win here

01:32:09.780 and I win there.

01:32:10.580 That one.

01:32:11.020 I had found

01:32:11.800 some different level

01:32:13.480 of I don't know what.

01:32:15.700 I am on a drug.

01:32:16.360 It's called Charlie Sheen.

01:32:17.640 A Hollywood legend.

01:32:19.120 What do you care

01:32:19.600 if your brother

01:32:19.980 ditches school?

01:32:20.640 This cameo

01:32:21.960 just falls out of the sky

01:32:24.180 into my lap.

01:32:25.600 I think I made

01:32:26.420 a big mistake

01:32:27.160 coming in.

01:32:27.920 Films like 1.00

01:32:28.560 Platoon,

01:32:29.540 Wall Street,

01:32:30.320 and The Rookie.

01:32:31.420 You want to do over?

01:32:32.500 No, I don't want

01:32:33.100 to do over.

01:32:34.120 The highest paid actor

01:32:35.480 in television history.

01:32:37.160 But all of that success

01:32:38.240 came with challenges.

01:32:40.040 Addiction.

01:32:40.840 Drugs are undefeated.

01:32:42.960 It's like 20 million

01:32:44.000 to zero.

01:32:44.880 To get through that,

01:32:47.260 you know,

01:32:48.500 several times.

01:32:49.840 And tumultuous relationships.

01:32:51.780 You write about

01:32:52.280 how you paid people

01:32:53.220 blackmail money.

01:32:54.500 It's exhausting.

01:32:55.800 And to always,

01:32:56.720 anytime the phone rings

01:32:57.820 or you see an email

01:32:58.900 from a lawyer,

01:32:59.840 if this is prison,

01:33:00.760 the only thing that's missing

01:33:01.600 is the bars and the guards.

01:33:03.340 Eight years sober

01:33:04.100 and back to tell his story

01:33:05.980 his own way.

01:33:07.200 From the deepest reaches

01:33:08.360 of myself, you know?

01:33:09.760 Like I didn't know anything

01:33:10.540 about your long friendship

01:33:12.200 with Nick Cage.

01:33:13.300 It's like we found

01:33:14.260 each other right

01:33:15.100 when we needed to.

01:33:16.380 Can we both agree

01:33:17.300 that Daryl Hannah

01:33:18.660 was miscast?

01:33:19.840 I think you owe me.

01:33:21.160 She was,

01:33:21.900 and she knew it.

01:33:23.380 I mean, she could feel it.

01:33:24.700 His new memoir,

01:33:25.720 The Book of Sheen,

01:33:26.900 tells all.

01:33:28.140 And we do mean all.

01:33:29.560 I hope he doesn't mind

01:33:30.360 that I'm sharing this

01:33:32.080 with the world, you know?

01:33:33.620 Oh, we're ready to go.

01:33:34.940 And a new Netflix documentary,

01:33:37.120 AKA Charlie Sheen.

01:33:39.040 You've already proven

01:33:39.880 you can do all this shit

01:33:41.240 to your body

01:33:41.740 and still stay standing.

01:33:43.320 I'm the guy

01:33:43.640 that lived it

01:33:44.300 and survived it

01:33:45.000 and I still don't

01:33:46.540 completely know how.

01:33:51.100 Well, we did an interview

01:33:53.100 with Charlie Sheen

01:33:53.920 on Tuesday

01:33:54.700 that was set to air today

01:33:56.100 and we're holding it

01:33:58.800 given everything

01:33:59.480 that's going on.

01:34:00.840 But we are going to air it

01:34:02.200 over the weekend.

01:34:02.940 We're going to release it

01:34:03.740 on Saturday

01:34:04.360 and you're going to love it.

01:34:05.580 It's only an hour long.

01:34:06.640 He's in full flower.

01:34:08.680 He is so fun

01:34:10.360 and funny.

01:34:11.520 I loved our conversation

01:34:13.020 and I think you are going

01:34:14.120 to love this conversation

01:34:15.000 a lot.

01:34:16.640 Totally unexpected.

01:34:17.820 Not at all what I thought

01:34:18.660 he was going to be.

01:34:19.840 So enjoy that tomorrow

01:34:21.380 because you don't always

01:34:22.480 get fresh Saturday content

01:34:23.840 but this Saturday

01:34:24.760 you will.

01:34:26.580 I did want to get to

01:34:27.660 what's being said

01:34:28.380 about Cash Patel.

01:34:29.380 Our friend Steve Bannon

01:34:30.280 is not so happy

01:34:31.440 with how that presser

01:34:32.920 this morning went.

01:34:34.600 Cash got up there

01:34:35.320 and basically said

01:34:36.100 this is what happens

01:34:36.920 when you let cops be cops

01:34:38.340 and kind of gave

01:34:39.940 a back patting

01:34:40.720 a few comments

01:34:42.080 to the rank and file.

01:34:44.360 That was about all

01:34:45.300 most of the details

01:34:46.300 were given by the Utah governor

01:34:47.540 and here's what Bannon

01:34:48.780 had to say about it.

01:34:50.500 So many unanswered questions

01:34:52.140 and I do not understand

01:34:53.500 why law enforcement

01:34:54.480 did not step up

01:34:55.880 to the microphone

01:34:56.540 and give some details.

01:34:58.160 It appears the kid

01:34:59.260 had said something

01:34:59.820 to the family

01:35:00.460 the family had confronted him

01:35:01.880 and the family turned him in.

01:35:04.420 I'm not seeing

01:35:05.300 the great law enforcement work

01:35:06.580 and we don't need

01:35:07.300 a governor to step up

01:35:08.520 and give us basically

01:35:09.480 a political pep talk

01:35:10.960 and a rally

01:35:11.480 and let's just all

01:35:12.940 come together

01:35:13.540 when you have an Antifa

01:35:14.720 you get details in here

01:35:16.140 about the theme song

01:35:18.660 for Antifa on the bullet.

01:35:20.280 You got the

01:35:20.680 you got the symbology

01:35:21.940 that Antifa uses

01:35:23.200 all the time.

01:35:24.520 You clearly have a young

01:35:25.740 progressive left wing

01:35:28.080 hater that assassinated

01:35:30.120 Charlie Kirk in cold blood.

01:35:32.080 What I want to see

01:35:32.900 is some law enforcement people

01:35:34.380 step up to the microphone

01:35:36.040 give some details

01:35:37.340 and take some questions

01:35:38.580 from the media.

01:35:40.380 I don't know why

01:35:41.260 cash flew out there

01:35:42.220 you know

01:35:42.760 thousands of miles

01:35:43.840 to give us

01:35:44.620 hey working partnerships

01:35:46.180 and our great partnership

01:35:47.020 in Utah

01:35:47.340 okay I got that.

01:35:48.980 No offense to the

01:35:50.020 law enforcement guys

01:35:50.740 in the future

01:35:51.140 this

01:35:51.380 the public assumes

01:35:53.000 that you're working

01:35:53.740 together as partnerships.

01:35:57.560 Fair.

01:35:59.000 Like a fair.

01:36:00.380 What happened was

01:36:01.360 you had the Utah governor

01:36:02.240 get up there

01:36:02.740 and just sort of

01:36:03.220 gloss over some of these facts

01:36:04.480 it was like wait what

01:36:05.400 what was on the bullet

01:36:06.260 you know somebody said

01:36:06.880 what are those

01:36:07.240 he was like

01:36:07.580 I'll leave it up to you

01:36:08.260 to figure out what that means

01:36:09.200 what?

01:36:10.300 I mean I think

01:36:10.820 like what Bannon is saying

01:36:12.340 is it was up to cash

01:36:13.360 to get up there

01:36:13.820 and spin the narrative

01:36:14.560 and say this is what

01:36:16.080 we've gleaned from here

01:36:17.280 it didn't happen

01:36:18.460 and that's why now

01:36:21.100 you have all these people

01:36:21.860 online saying

01:36:22.600 he was a white

01:36:23.400 Republican

01:36:24.120 MAGA

01:36:24.820 you know

01:36:25.460 whatever

01:36:25.800 they're gonna do

01:36:26.500 what they're gonna do

01:36:27.200 it's very clear

01:36:28.560 just read the bullets

01:36:29.600 you want to know

01:36:30.580 what his motivation was

01:36:31.540 read the bullets

01:36:33.260 it's obvious

01:36:35.040 he loathed Charlie Kirk

01:36:37.760 because he thought

01:36:38.620 he was a fascist

01:36:40.000 it's all there

01:36:41.500 black and white

01:36:42.560 read

01:36:43.740 that's all you have to do

01:36:45.040 his own family

01:36:46.800 says he didn't like

01:36:48.640 Charlie Kirk

01:36:49.240 he was raising it at dinner

01:36:50.400 he was growing

01:36:51.140 increasingly political

01:36:52.380 do we think

01:36:53.700 he was growing

01:36:54.300 increasingly Republican

01:36:55.460 that he hated

01:36:56.580 Charlie Kirk

01:36:57.400 because he was a diehard

01:36:58.520 Republican

01:36:59.380 who really hated

01:37:00.700 fascism

01:37:01.780 and that he was

01:37:02.840 into like

01:37:03.520 furry culture

01:37:04.300 at the same time

01:37:05.060 I don't think so

01:37:06.100 all week long

01:37:09.020 I've tried to avoid

01:37:10.080 elevating

01:37:11.920 the leftists

01:37:13.900 who are melting down

01:37:14.720 about Charlie

01:37:15.240 because I just

01:37:15.860 don't really give a shit

01:37:16.880 about them

01:37:17.300 I just don't

01:37:17.880 they don't

01:37:18.360 they didn't know him

01:37:19.220 you know

01:37:19.840 one of the things

01:37:20.360 that I heard

01:37:22.080 I think it was

01:37:22.500 the New York Times

01:37:23.440 I can't keep my leftist

01:37:24.860 straight 0.70

01:37:25.220 I think it was

01:37:26.900 was saying about Charlie

01:37:28.280 he was very controversial

01:37:29.600 you know

01:37:29.860 he he said things like

01:37:31.420 like Mike

01:37:32.980 Martin Luther King

01:37:34.020 was a bad guy

01:37:35.040 yes he did say that

01:37:37.100 you know why

01:37:38.020 because MLK's 0.99

01:37:39.500 own biographer

01:37:40.620 a Pulitzer Prize

01:37:42.220 winning biographer

01:37:43.160 broke the story

01:37:45.280 that MLK

01:37:46.220 was in back rooms

01:37:47.640 allowing women 0.83

01:37:48.620 on his staff

01:37:49.880 to get sexually

01:37:50.840 molested

01:37:51.520 by others

01:37:52.600 right in front of him

01:37:53.480 and seemed to

01:37:54.600 kind of enjoy it

01:37:55.420 that's what Charlie

01:37:57.080 was talking about

01:37:57.860 the stories

01:37:58.820 no one else

01:37:59.440 would talk about

01:38:00.100 that Charlie

01:38:01.180 had questions

01:38:01.680 about the Civil Rights

01:38:02.620 Act of 1964

01:38:03.480 you know why

01:38:04.620 because Charlie

01:38:05.720 actually studied

01:38:06.560 people like

01:38:07.640 Shelby Steele

01:38:08.520 who wrote all about

01:38:09.980 how the black

01:38:10.560 middle class

01:38:11.100 was rising

01:38:11.800 prior to the reign

01:38:12.980 of Lyndon B. Johnson

01:38:14.160 who infantilized

01:38:15.960 the black community

01:38:16.920 setting them back

01:38:18.120 by generations

01:38:19.200 with his great

01:38:20.180 society programs

01:38:21.180 do some homework

01:38:22.680 this is a mainstream

01:38:23.680 school of thought

01:38:24.980 within the intellectual

01:38:27.140 African-American community

01:38:29.020 never mind

01:38:29.660 that's where Charlie

01:38:30.300 got it

01:38:30.820 fuck you for not 0.90

01:38:32.180 doing your homework

01:38:32.820 and just trying to

01:38:33.440 paint him as

01:38:34.000 some crazy racist

01:38:35.820 it's just ridiculous

01:38:37.440 that's the New York

01:38:38.700 Times' take

01:38:39.420 okay

01:38:39.640 so I have been

01:38:40.460 avoiding taking

01:38:41.660 all this on

01:38:42.320 because I just

01:38:42.760 like you're not

01:38:43.160 going to convince

01:38:43.600 these people

01:38:43.980 and why should

01:38:44.440 we bother

01:38:44.860 who gives a shit

01:38:45.900 we've already

01:38:46.620 moved on

01:38:47.080 without them

01:38:47.700 like you can't

01:38:48.560 persuade them

01:38:49.380 you can't persuade

01:38:50.260 these lunatics

01:38:50.900 who are online

01:38:51.480 celebrating that

01:38:52.240 Charlie's dead

01:38:53.060 to be kind

01:38:54.360 save it Utah

01:38:55.660 governor

01:38:56.140 you can't

01:38:57.840 all right

01:38:58.380 just stop

01:38:58.960 it's like

01:38:59.260 these people

01:39:00.820 need to be defeated

01:39:01.540 not reasoned with

01:39:02.460 all we can worry

01:39:04.820 about is motivating

01:39:05.780 our side

01:39:06.340 it's like Don Jr.

01:39:07.660 said

01:39:07.880 we had somebody

01:39:09.200 who reached out

01:39:09.780 to the other side

01:39:10.420 and would listen

01:39:10.960 to them

01:39:11.300 and debate

01:39:11.660 on fair terms

01:39:12.480 and to quote

01:39:13.840 Don exactly

01:39:14.440 they fucking

01:39:15.060 killed him

01:39:15.680 he's not wrong

01:39:18.020 but I've got

01:39:19.360 to play this

01:39:19.960 soundbite

01:39:20.420 of this asshole 0.99

01:39:21.960 Nate Burleson

01:39:23.100 on CBS

01:39:23.960 this morning

01:39:24.660 interviewing

01:39:25.340 former Republican

01:39:26.420 House Speaker

01:39:27.000 Kevin McCarthy

01:39:27.860 about the assassination

01:39:29.500 earlier this week

01:39:30.680 not everyone

01:39:32.880 took to his words

01:39:33.940 or his rhetoric

01:39:34.600 you know

01:39:35.280 at times

01:39:36.260 they were offensive

01:39:37.660 to specific communities

01:39:39.200 but with that said

01:39:40.500 this is not the time

01:39:41.580 to focus on that

01:39:42.860 we are focused

01:39:43.460 on this tragedy

01:39:44.440 speaking of this tragedy

01:39:45.900 is this a moment

01:39:46.940 for your party

01:39:47.540 to reflect on

01:39:49.180 political violence

01:39:50.600 is it a moment

01:39:51.440 for us to think

01:39:52.740 about the responsibility

01:39:53.680 of our political leaders

01:39:55.580 and their voices

01:39:56.440 and what it does

01:39:57.540 to the masses

01:39:59.180 as they get lost

01:40:01.120 in misinformation

01:40:02.000 or disinformation

01:40:03.180 that turns in

01:40:04.400 and spills into

01:40:05.340 political violence

01:40:06.040 you absolute asshole

01:40:09.660 what a dick

01:40:12.360 I

01:40:13.960 is this a time

01:40:16.140 for your party

01:40:17.460 Mr. former Republican

01:40:19.280 speaker

01:40:19.660 to reflect

01:40:20.560 on political violence

01:40:21.820 whose candidate

01:40:23.780 almost got his head

01:40:24.960 blown off

01:40:25.720 a year ago

01:40:26.960 you total

01:40:27.960 fucking douchebag

01:40:29.140 my god

01:40:30.660 it's time for

01:40:32.920 Republicans

01:40:33.600 to reflect on

01:40:34.820 political violence

01:40:35.700 that your party

01:40:37.200 and your leader

01:40:38.340 needs to reflect

01:40:39.280 on his rhetoric

01:40:40.560 on his rhetoric

01:40:41.620 have you taken

01:40:43.060 a look at blue sky

01:40:44.220 did you look

01:40:46.380 up and down

01:40:47.020 what's left

01:40:47.600 of the leftists

01:40:48.440 on Twitter

01:40:48.880 to see what

01:40:49.420 they're saying

01:40:50.160 in response

01:40:51.060 to Charlie

01:40:51.600 being shot down

01:40:53.880 in the prime

01:40:54.320 of his life

01:40:54.880 I'm infuriated

01:40:57.780 by that guy

01:40:58.860 how dare he

01:41:00.140 and then he kicks

01:41:01.280 it off

01:41:01.680 by saying

01:41:02.120 oh yeah

01:41:02.440 Charlie was offensive

01:41:03.280 he's basically saying

01:41:04.020 Charlie was a bigot

01:41:04.880 you know

01:41:05.400 what he said

01:41:05.820 about certain communities

01:41:06.640 fuck you 0.92

01:41:07.260 you don't know

01:41:07.600 the first thing

01:41:08.200 you believe

01:41:09.080 the bullshit

01:41:09.580 that you read

01:41:10.100 on blue sky

01:41:10.720 then you go sit

01:41:11.560 in that seat

01:41:12.060 and you try

01:41:12.620 to blame Republicans

01:41:13.420 for political violence

01:41:14.740 when Charlie

01:41:15.500 isn't even buried yet

01:41:16.820 you utter asshole

01:41:18.600 you are too stupid

01:41:20.520 and partisan

01:41:21.460 to be in front

01:41:22.480 of a camera

01:41:23.040 you should be fired

01:41:24.380 your ass should be fired 0.95

01:41:25.760 now they have

01:41:27.640 a new CBS ombudsman

01:41:29.120 that's supposed

01:41:29.460 to reach out

01:41:29.960 to Republicans

01:41:30.560 great job

01:41:31.480 great job

01:41:32.820 you suck 0.94

01:41:33.720 welcome to the new boss

01:41:36.480 same as the old boss

01:41:37.580 somebody needs to call

01:41:39.940 call the ombudsman

01:41:41.480 because you have

01:41:42.640 a lunatic

01:41:43.220 sitting on CBS

01:41:44.240 this morning

01:41:44.820 who is the balance

01:41:46.940 Gayle King

01:41:47.800 Gayle

01:41:49.140 who said

01:41:49.560 oh well I think

01:41:50.080 both parties

01:41:50.820 engage in it

01:41:51.980 oh that's the balance

01:41:53.720 it's the Republicans

01:41:55.100 who have a violence problem

01:41:56.440 and a rhetoric problem

01:41:57.800 and Trump is the problem

01:41:59.120 and Charlie was a bigot

01:42:00.500 oh but you know

01:42:01.680 both sides

01:42:02.420 both sides

01:42:03.060 kind of engage

01:42:03.820 in it a little bit

01:42:04.580 oh thanks Gayle

01:42:05.660 to the moon

01:42:08.040 sorry

01:42:09.680 that's just like

01:42:10.580 that one's been

01:42:11.360 sticking in my craw

01:42:12.800 you know

01:42:14.120 I'd rather have

01:42:15.500 like the lunatic

01:42:16.340 blue haired

01:42:17.200 because then

01:42:17.820 you know that

01:42:18.520 they're nuts

01:42:19.020 but this guy

01:42:20.140 is like

01:42:20.560 in the suit

01:42:21.520 on the CBS set

01:42:22.640 and like

01:42:23.040 oh I'm just being

01:42:23.940 super reasonable

01:42:24.660 in his tone

01:42:25.300 go F yourself

01:42:26.640 what did you say Steve

01:42:28.380 you're giving me

01:42:29.660 my timing

01:42:30.060 do you need me

01:42:30.400 to wrap

01:42:30.720 I don't know

01:42:31.100 my team's like

01:42:31.680 trying to

01:42:32.080 no okay

01:42:32.620 yeah

01:42:32.820 do we have time

01:42:34.180 all right

01:42:36.040 we have

01:42:36.320 we have

01:42:36.600 three minutes

01:42:36.980 so we have

01:42:37.300 a little time

01:42:37.800 to do

01:42:38.400 to do

01:42:39.560 one more

01:42:40.760 Ilan Omar

01:42:42.540 let's do that one

01:42:43.920 SOT 22

01:42:45.080 here she is

01:42:45.860 in an interview

01:42:46.480 um

01:42:47.880 wait a second

01:42:48.960 yeah

01:42:49.780 isn't it

01:42:50.240 is this the one

01:42:50.760 with

01:42:51.040 with Mehdi Hassan

01:42:52.140 yeah that's the one

01:42:52.620 I wanted

01:42:52.920 SOT 22

01:42:53.500 what I do

01:42:55.860 know for sure

01:42:56.820 is that

01:42:58.540 you know

01:42:59.600 Charlie was

01:43:00.420 someone

01:43:00.860 who once

01:43:01.800 said

01:43:02.420 um

01:43:03.600 you know

01:43:04.720 guns save

01:43:05.400 lives

01:43:05.880 um

01:43:07.300 after a

01:43:08.520 school shooting

01:43:09.220 um

01:43:10.080 Charlie was

01:43:10.780 someone

01:43:11.220 who was

01:43:12.000 willing to

01:43:12.840 debate

01:43:13.800 and downplay

01:43:15.040 the death

01:43:15.640 of George Floyd

01:43:16.760 uh

01:43:17.340 in the hands

01:43:17.840 of Minneapolis

01:43:18.340 police

01:43:18.960 I think he called

01:43:19.440 him a scumbag

01:43:20.200 right

01:43:20.640 have no regard

01:43:21.820 um

01:43:22.380 because he was

01:43:22.800 slavery

01:43:23.480 and what

01:43:24.320 black people

01:43:24.840 have gone

01:43:25.280 through

01:43:25.600 in this

01:43:26.340 country

01:43:26.820 uh

01:43:27.700 by saying

01:43:28.220 Juneteen

01:43:28.760 should never

01:43:29.240 exist

01:43:29.860 right

01:43:30.660 he was right

01:43:31.200 about that

01:43:31.540 too

01:43:31.700 and I

01:43:31.940 think

01:43:32.440 you know

01:43:32.840 there are

01:43:33.640 a lot

01:43:33.860 of people

01:43:34.300 who are

01:43:34.660 out there

01:43:35.140 talking about

01:43:36.120 him just

01:43:36.640 wanting to

01:43:37.060 have a

01:43:37.420 civil debate

01:43:38.280 um

01:43:39.480 a complete

01:43:41.100 rewriting

01:43:41.520 of history

01:43:41.980 yeah

01:43:42.580 there is

01:43:43.040 nothing

01:43:43.460 um

01:43:44.200 more effed

01:43:44.920 up

01:43:45.260 you know

01:43:45.720 like

01:43:46.000 uh

01:43:47.100 than to

01:43:47.820 completely

01:43:48.860 pretend

01:43:49.480 that

01:43:50.560 you know

01:43:50.980 his words

01:43:51.580 and actions

01:43:52.440 um

01:43:53.660 have not

01:43:54.420 been recorded

01:43:55.080 and

01:43:56.020 and

01:43:56.340 and in

01:43:56.860 existence

01:43:57.400 um

01:43:58.300 for

01:43:58.760 for the

01:43:59.200 last

01:43:59.440 decade

01:43:59.840 or so

01:44:00.460 I can

01:44:02.040 think of

01:44:02.320 something

01:44:02.680 that is

01:44:03.220 more effed

01:44:03.820 up

01:44:04.060 what if

01:44:04.800 you married

01:44:05.220 your brother

01:44:05.760 that'd be

01:44:07.180 weird

01:44:07.520 messed up

01:44:08.180 wouldn't it

01:44:08.580 like marrying

01:44:09.180 your brother

01:44:09.560 that's

01:44:09.980 that's

01:44:10.440 definitely

01:44:10.620 fucked up

01:44:11.080 why'd you

01:44:11.940 do that

01:44:12.380 your own

01:44:13.780 home paper

01:44:14.280 Minneapolis

01:44:14.580 star

01:44:15.440 tribune

01:44:15.940 couldn't

01:44:16.620 conclude

01:44:17.080 conclusively

01:44:17.780 that you

01:44:18.140 hadn't

01:44:19.220 that

01:44:20.540 that's

01:44:20.980 kind of

01:44:21.200 fucked

01:44:21.380 up

01:44:21.660 literally

01:44:22.440 everything

01:44:22.720 she just 0.65

01:44:23.040 said

01:44:23.160 was a

01:44:23.400 lie

01:44:23.560 all of

01:44:24.180 it

01:44:24.260 was a

01:44:24.480 lie

01:44:24.660 or

01:44:25.540 he was

01:44:26.100 she was

01:44:26.460 making

01:44:26.640 points

01:44:26.860 about

01:44:27.020 charlie

01:44:27.280 that were

01:44:27.520 totally

01:44:27.720 valid

01:44:27.980 juneteenth

01:44:28.460 is a

01:44:29.060 stupid 0.75

01:44:29.340 thing

01:44:29.520 to do

01:44:30.460 and

01:44:30.900 like

01:44:31.280 down

01:44:32.080 the line

01:44:32.520 the thing

01:44:32.780 she was

01:44:33.040 saying

01:44:33.260 this is

01:44:33.700 what they

01:44:33.940 do

01:44:34.080 they

01:44:34.280 want

01:44:34.500 to

01:44:34.580 rewrite

01:44:34.820 the

01:44:34.980 history

01:44:35.280 they

01:44:35.720 want

01:44:35.920 to

01:44:36.020 ignore

01:44:36.300 the

01:44:36.940 millions

01:44:37.700 of

01:44:38.060 clips

01:44:38.340 of

01:44:38.540 charlie

01:44:38.840 being

01:44:39.120 bringing

01:44:39.640 people

01:44:39.920 together

01:44:40.260 and they

01:44:40.820 go

01:44:41.040 with

01:44:41.220 their

01:44:41.360 bullshit

01:44:41.740 lies

01:44:42.180 like

01:44:42.380 the

01:44:42.500 new

01:44:42.600 york

01:44:42.700 times

01:44:43.000 tried

01:44:43.200 to

01:44:43.340 tell

01:44:43.600 like

01:44:44.020 martin

01:44:44.280 luther

01:44:44.420 king

01:44:44.640 he

01:44:44.780 never

01:44:44.980 did

01:44:45.140 a

01:44:45.240 bad

01:44:45.440 thing

01:44:45.680 charlie

01:44:45.980 was

01:44:46.100 so

01:44:46.260 wrong

01:44:46.480 to

01:44:46.620 say

01:44:46.740 he

01:44:46.820 wasn't

01:44:47.020 a

01:44:47.120 good

01:44:47.240 guy

01:44:47.520 oh

01:44:48.020 maybe

01:44:48.240 he

01:44:48.420 didn't

01:44:48.660 quite

01:44:48.900 as

01:44:49.120 a

01:44:49.260 christian

01:44:49.600 support

01:44:50.420 the

01:44:51.020 way

01:44:51.220 mlk

01:44:51.680 was

01:44:51.920 behind

01:44:52.200 the

01:44:52.360 scenes

01:44:52.640 okay

01:44:53.220 this

01:44:53.780 was

01:44:53.900 a

01:44:54.020 massive

01:44:54.260 news

01:44:54.560 story

01:44:54.880 that

01:44:55.320 was

01:44:55.420 all

01:44:55.580 over

01:44:55.700 the

01:44:55.800 papers

01:44:56.080 a

01:44:56.220 couple

01:44:56.340 years

01:44:56.560 ago

01:44:56.740 maybe

01:44:56.980 you

01:44:57.120 missed

01:44:57.380 it

01:44:57.620 it

01:44:59.520 it's

01:44:59.820 not

01:45:11.360 prayer

01:45:11.560 for

01:45:11.760 ourselves

01:45:12.180 that

01:45:12.360 we

01:45:12.480 maintain

01:45:13.000 or

01:45:14.260 reclaim

01:45:15.200 in my

01:45:15.860 case

01:45:16.180 our

01:45:16.680 dignity

01:45:17.100 our

01:45:18.640 class

01:45:19.160 and

01:45:20.480 that

01:45:20.640 we

01:45:20.760 lead

01:45:20.980 by

01:45:21.140 example

01:45:21.500 in

01:45:21.680 the

01:45:21.780 lives

01:45:22.000 that

01:45:22.180 we

01:45:22.320 live

01:45:22.640 the

01:45:22.960 same

01:45:23.180 way

01:45:23.400 charlie

01:45:23.780 did

01:45:24.460 whether

01:45:24.860 they

01:45:25.060 know

01:45:25.300 it

01:45:25.480 or

01:45:25.820 not

01:45:26.140 tomorrow

01:45:27.360 a

01:45:27.940 special

01:45:28.280 tribute

01:45:28.760 to

01:45:30.080 charlie

01:45:30.400 sheen

01:45:30.760 and

01:45:31.000 the

01:45:31.140 next

01:45:31.340 day

01:45:31.640 to

01:45:32.020 charlie

01:45:32.300 kirk

01:45:32.600 thanks

01:45:36.260 for

01:45:36.400 listening

01:45:36.680 to the

01:45:36.980 megan

01:45:37.180 kelly

01:45:37.440 show

01:45:37.800 no

01:45:38.240 bs

01:45:38.680 no

01:45:39.040 agenda

01:45:39.420 and

01:45:40.080 no

01:45:40.280 fear

01:45:40.580 you

01:45:44.400 you

01:45:44.480 you

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 12, 2025

Charlie Kirk's Alleged Assassin Taken Into Custody, and Remembering His Incredible Life and Legacy ｜ Ep. 1147

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