The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk's Incredibly Moving Memorial, the Power of Forgiveness, and Van Jones' Smear, with Michael Knowles

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.320 Back home today after attending Charlie Kirk's magnificent memorial service yesterday.

00:00:20.820 An event too big for an NFL football stadium with some 200,000 people

00:00:26.420 making their way to Arizona yesterday to honor Charlie's life and legacy.

00:00:31.560 The nation's top political leaders, I mean, it was incredible.

00:00:34.620 It was like a state funeral.

00:00:35.840 From President Trump to Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio,

00:00:39.680 Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, the DNI, Tulsi Gabbard,

00:00:43.860 Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy.

00:00:48.140 You had Stephen Miller, Sergio Gore, Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff.

00:00:53.640 Like, Elon Musk was in attendance. He was steps away from me on the floor.

00:00:58.980 Everybody. I mean, just, like, it was incredible. It was incredible.

00:01:04.300 That's how much of a mark Charlie made, not just on our country, but on our government in particular,

00:01:10.460 at age 31. Ask yourself what you were doing at age 31.

00:01:14.300 When I was 31, I hadn't even gotten into television yet. I was still practicing law.

00:01:18.360 I mean, it's amazing to me the amount that he accomplished in his 31 years, really from 18 to

00:01:25.200 31. Charlie worked nonstop, and it was a labor of love. And he wasn't trying to get to know these

00:01:31.140 people because he wanted access to power and to feel special. He was doing it because it was his

00:01:35.700 life's calling. And he really, truly cared about changing this country for the better. I mean,

00:01:40.980 I think you could accurately say about saving this country. That's why it was his life's work

00:01:47.820 that brought him into the circles of power. And it was great to hear some of the stories of people

00:01:53.940 who, when he was starting Turning Point and he needed that first 50,000 bucks to get things going,

00:02:00.300 how he went to this one potential donor and pitched her and she said, come back when you have the first

00:02:05.000 half. And two days later, he called. He had found it. He's 18. I mean, truly, if somebody, and Charlie

00:02:10.480 didn't have any connections, he didn't come from a wealthy family. If somebody said to you at 18,

00:02:14.980 see if you can go get, go raise $50,000 in two days, could you have done it? I couldn't have done

00:02:21.360 it. We were just like Charlie. We didn't have any like connections to anybody in power. We didn't even

00:02:26.800 know any like doctors or lawyers, really. Nevermind politicians or people who actually were at the

00:02:33.140 seat of government. So Charlie somehow managed to find these names that had potentially big pockets

00:02:39.060 and one by one called. I mean, that was one of the main takeaways I had. All these people who had been

00:02:45.340 contacted by an, by an unafraid Charlie. He was not afraid about reaching out even when he was young

00:02:52.200 to people he didn't know to try to ask for help building his mission. And that was part of the same

00:02:56.560 spirit he used in reaching across the aisle to speak to people he disagreed with or who disagreed with

00:03:02.980 him as part of his mission too. I mean, it's very clear that Charlie's death is far bigger than

00:03:10.260 politics. His funeral is going to be remembered as, I mean, one of the most impactful spiritual events

00:03:17.080 in American history. You won't be surprised to learn the left wasn't feeling it. I mean, I'll just tell you

00:03:24.300 something like when I walked in the moment, I was overwhelmed. I walked in that stadium and I brought

00:03:28.980 my two oldest children with me. They're almost 16 and 14, my oldest son and my daughter. And we walk

00:03:37.120 into the stadium and there were so many people in the stands. Everyone was dressed in red, white,

00:03:42.540 and blue. It was so heartening. And that's exactly what Charlie would have wanted. That was a great call

00:03:46.520 by his team. And all these people who had watched the show or watched Charlie on this show or watched

00:03:51.580 me on Charlie's show who, you know, knew me or whatever. The love that was outpoured just over

00:03:59.600 me and my children was as we walked in. I couldn't believe it. I was so moved by it. People yell,

00:04:05.620 I love you. And I yelled back, I love you. And I meant that. And I think we were all having a shared

00:04:11.640 moment of grieving. You know, it wasn't, that wasn't about the Megyn Kelly show. That was about,

00:04:16.440 I think, our relationship with Charlie, our coverage of Charlie. People feel grateful for

00:04:22.480 someone who's not, frankly, just one of the assholes out there dumping all over him and totally

00:04:28.920 willfully misunderstanding his legacy. And we were seated for the proceedings. And every time I looked

00:04:37.480 at the crowd and I saw the 70,000 people inside that building, and then there was an overflow with

00:04:44.240 tens of thousands more, that's what made me get near tears. Like just seeing the outpouring of

00:04:50.640 people, like the regular folks. And I sent out a tweet about this, but it was like people who were

00:04:56.280 like, I saw one woman with a severe limp, another guy who had a cane, elderly people, tons of young

00:05:03.180 people, of course, but like really elderly people. It was, you know, in the nineties yesterday in

00:05:07.800 Arizona, people who were super overweight, didn't matter, old, young, whatever. They all flocked,

00:05:16.120 pregnant women, very pregnant. They all flocked to this event. They waited in line since two or three

00:05:21.300 in the morning, some of them. They did not matter. They did not care about their own comfort or how,

00:05:27.440 I mean, I complain about, oh, wow, is it a long walk? How long am I have to stand? Imagine if you're

00:05:31.860 carrying around an extra hundred pounds. I was so impressed by those people. They knew they'd be

00:05:38.240 physically uncomfortable. They didn't care. They wanted to go there to honor him, to pay homage to

00:05:45.300 his life, to mourn his death, to be with their fellow Americans in shared grief and worship. We did

00:05:53.460 that too yesterday. It was beautiful. It was much more than a memorial. It was a gathering of

00:06:01.720 faith and reconnection with God and each other. And this was not about the radical left. This was

00:06:08.220 about us. This was about team sanity. People of faith who believe in a loving God, who don't have

00:06:16.300 figured out why he took Charlie from us, but understand there's a higher purpose that we're

00:06:20.660 just too moral to fully understand right now. People who looked at Erica Kirk and felt like they

00:06:25.500 wanted to drop to their knees. We were so floored by her strength and what she did, not the haters

00:06:31.080 and what they said online. Forget them. This isn't about them. This is about those of us who were

00:06:35.620 there and watched it on TV and saw clips because they cared enough to take time out of their busy

00:06:40.380 day and watch them and felt that stirring inside that reminded us this life here is about something

00:06:46.800 greater than us. It's about something greater than us. Joining me now for reaction is Michael Knowles.

00:06:53.340 He's hosted the Michael Knowles show on the Daily Wire. Michael's in Minnesota right now,

00:06:57.620 Minnesota, where he will be speaking at a college campus event as part of Turning Point's American

00:07:04.060 Comeback Tour, continuing even after Charlie's passing. And I want to also tell you that Michael

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00:08:31.140 Michael, great to have you. So you went to the memorial yesterday, yes?

00:08:35.660 Yes, it was you, me, and a few hundred thousand of our closest friends. And Charlie's and his many

00:08:40.940 admirers. And I'm still processing it. As you say, Megan, I mean, Erica Kirk's speech was one of the

00:08:48.220 most powerful speeches I've ever heard in my life. And I'm sure we'll get to that. But even on the

00:08:53.300 point of the people who came from all over the place, who were uncomfortable, who sacrificed to

00:08:59.020 make it there, a friend of mine texts me as I'm on the plane flying into Phoenix. And he said, hey, are you

00:09:04.500 in Phoenix for the memorial? And I said, oh, I am. Did you come into town? This is 9 p.m. the night

00:09:09.260 before. He says, yeah, I'm at the stadium. So what do you mean you're at the stadium? He said, I'm at

00:09:15.520 the stadium. He said, there are many people at the stadium already. I will get in. I have to be there.

00:09:22.980 This is not someone who's just constantly consuming political news. This is not a college kid who was

00:09:28.260 following Charlie's tour around all that closely. This is a grown man who said, I have to be at this

00:09:34.180 memorial. I have to honor Charlie Kirk. I will camp out overnight. He said, Michael, if something's

00:09:39.560 wrong with your hotel, you can come sleep in my car. But we are getting in. And I think that was

00:09:44.580 the spirit all over the country. And honestly, it was reflective of the way Charlie's fans and friends

00:09:51.520 have behaved over the past 11, 12 days. Peacefully, with a connection to God. They've been holding vigils.

00:09:59.580 They've had the candles up, you know, the iPhone lights. They've been singing patriotic songs.

00:10:05.520 They've been singing religious songs. It's been absolutely beautiful the way the right has handled

00:10:12.360 itself in the wake of this massive tragedy. And that was on full display yesterday. I mean,

00:10:18.340 the first half of the memorial was all people who knew Charlie very well talking about their memories

00:10:24.420 of him. The second half was not even half, like basically two thirds versus one third. That was

00:10:29.940 administration officials talking about their experiences with Charlie. And then things got

00:10:34.340 more political, of course. But to read the write-ups in the paper today, you would think it was just Trump

00:10:39.380 out there saying what Trump was hysterical as he always is. But you would, they ignore all of the

00:10:45.620 beautiful heartfelt tributes by his staff, his friends, his donors, you know, all of them,

00:10:51.900 his pastor, his spiritual advisors. No, it's like that didn't happen. It all boils down to like

00:10:57.020 one, one aside by Trump. And, and they, they just simply don't get it. I think is the real point.

00:11:04.260 You know, there were all of these political speeches. Yes. In the context of an event talking

00:11:09.240 about eternity, Charlie understood that as well as anybody. Charlie was constantly talking about God,

00:11:15.980 constantly talking about our immortal souls, our eternal purpose. But he recognized also that we

00:11:21.820 are the political animal. We're social creatures. And so faith has to look like something. We have

00:11:27.260 to do something here in this world. And our faith produces works and our, our face impels us to action.

00:11:33.300 And it leads us to care even for our enemies, love for our enemies, and to create a society that is

00:11:39.000 conducive to the common good. You cannot separate the political from the religious. You can't even in

00:11:44.920 this mortal life, separate the religious from the political. And so I thought that all of the

00:11:50.740 administration officials did a magnificent job of this. People are attacking President Trump

00:11:55.560 because he gets up there and he says, Charlie Kirk loved his enemies. He really cared for them and

00:12:01.620 he wished the best for them. And I don't, this is where Charlie and I disagreed. I hate my enemies and

00:12:06.740 I don't wish what's best for them. And people are knocking him for this. They're saying this was an

00:12:11.060 anti-gospel message. This was anti-Christian. They just weren't listening. Maybe they don't know how to

00:12:16.340 speak New Yorker. Maybe they don't have any sense of humor. Chesterton said the angels can fly because

00:12:21.040 they can take themselves lightly. These people cannot. What Trump was saying was an affirmation

00:12:26.560 of the gospel message. He was saying, Charlie did the right thing. He said, Charlie's looking down.

00:12:31.940 He's angry at me right now. He said, you know, I'm just saying I'm a sinner here. Yes. He said,

00:12:36.940 maybe Erica can talk to me. She can teach me how to be a better person. He was expressing that natural

00:12:42.680 human desire in this fallen world to punish our enemies, not to will the best for them. But he

00:12:47.740 said, no, no, the right thing to do is to, is to love your enemies and loving it. Let me play it for

00:12:53.080 the audience. Michael, then you take it on the back. Here it is. He did not hate his opponents. He

00:12:58.680 wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the

00:13:08.060 best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group,

00:13:14.620 and maybe they can convince me that that's not right, but I can't stand my opponent.

00:13:22.760 Charlie's angry looking down. He's angry at me now.

00:13:27.160 It was hysterical.

00:13:28.840 It's hysterical. And it's, it's an expression actually of humility, right? He's saying,

00:13:33.640 Charlie's looking down at me. In other words, Charlie's doing the right thing,

00:13:36.280 the thing that brings him closer to God. But me, it's, it's, it's hard for me to get past this.

00:13:41.280 It's hard. I feel this, this anger here, but that, that's the right thing that we are to do.

00:13:45.500 We have to love our enemies and loving our enemies is not some happy, clappy talk. It's not some little

00:13:50.660 sentiment. Loving, loving anyone means to will the good of that person. And so to say that we,

00:13:57.660 we forgive those who trespass against us as, as our Lord teaches us to do, even who people who commit

00:14:03.060 the worst sins against us, to, to, uh, try to emulate Christ on the cross, who says,

00:14:08.480 father, forgive them. They know not what they do to, to forgive them is to say, look,

00:14:13.660 vengeance belongs to the Lord and he will repay in their foot. She'll slide in due time.

00:14:18.000 It is not to say that the civil authority is not going to exact justice. And in fact,

00:14:22.960 to love your enemies means that you do have to punish criminals for the protection of society,

00:14:28.580 but also for their own good. I mean, philosophers have understood this going back at least to Plato.

00:14:33.680 There is no contradiction between these things, but it's to say that we're not going to bear

00:14:37.660 personal enmity and grudges. We're not going to kill people in a vigilante way as the left has been

00:14:43.920 doing. We're not going to burn the country down. We are going to sublimate this. We're going to kiss

00:14:47.180 it up to God. We're going to thank God for the blessings he gives us, which we don't deserve.

00:14:51.120 And, and we are going to try to bring justice because that will be good for everyone. It's a spirit of

00:14:57.140 charity that is the most important of the theological virtues. And you heard that beautifully

00:15:01.260 from Erica. You heard it beautifully from everyone else. And when Trump says, I don't, I don't feel

00:15:06.180 this way, but I'm going to, maybe I'll try to do it. It's that same humility years ago when he said,

00:15:11.680 he was asked if he was going to have a beer on St. Paddy's day. He says, no, I don't drink.

00:15:14.960 It's the only good thing you can say about me. Imagine if I drank, I'd be the worst.

00:15:19.000 It's an expression to say, Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner, and maybe we can look for a better way.

00:15:23.920 Yeah. Absolutely. Right. I loved it. I thought it was very funny because frankly,

00:15:28.400 there'd been so much uplifting talk that some of us who are more of the Trump mindset needed to hear

00:15:34.500 somebody say what we're thinking, you know, which is I'm enraged and actually no quarter,

00:15:40.340 none whatsoever for my enemies. I personally am much more in that, in that place, which is more of

00:15:45.800 a political place probably than a biblical place. I don't know. Um, I looked at Erica Kirk and she was

00:15:51.080 prediction, Megan. Yes. No, I like what you're saying. And Ali Beth Stuckey said the same.

00:15:55.660 Yes. I mean, you know what, when, when Erica Kirk says, I forgive him, which was so absolutely

00:16:01.640 arresting, even thinking of it again, I'm a tough guy and I don't think men should cry in public all

00:16:05.580 that often. It really a grown men. I don't think there was a dry eye in the house.

00:16:09.660 Every man, every man was crying. It was really incredibly moving. Go ahead.

00:16:13.440 That is true. That is true. And it's a beautiful statement. And also if the suspect is convicted,

00:16:20.220 the state of Utah will inject him with poison until he's dead. There's no contradiction there.

00:16:24.840 We, we, we can personally forgive people and we can also will, will the best for these people up to

00:16:30.240 and including capital punishment. By the way, I'm reminded of the line of Dr. Johnson, a dependent

00:16:34.920 upon it, sir. When a man is knows that he's to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind

00:16:40.020 wonderfully. It was a, it was a recognition more broadly, Megan, I think that with all of these

00:16:46.180 political leaders there, that we need a political order that is conducive to the common good and

00:16:51.840 that acknowledges God and that acknowledges the difference between right and wrong. And that

00:16:55.620 really believes in something, because if you don't like this religious kind of country, wait until

00:17:00.880 you live in an irreligious country. I promise you it's a lot worse.

00:17:03.740 A hundred percent. And that you mentioned the, the Erica Kirk, um, moment where first of all,

00:17:10.320 some people were critical of the fact that she and others walked out and they had the pyrotechnics

00:17:14.520 going. And I completely reject that because you have to understand turning point events. This was

00:17:19.580 an homage to Charlie. Um, that's, he loved that stuff. And we all love that stuff. When we go to a

00:17:25.200 turning point event, you walk out and they've got the pyrotechnics and they've got the smoke going,

00:17:29.380 the dry ice smoke. And it's just so fun. And it makes the event feel big and celebratory. And

00:17:35.640 that's what they wanted to do to make this event feel big and celebratory, not a maudlin, sad,

00:17:41.940 tears crying, you know, good God, this terrible assassin type event. They wanted it to be a celebration

00:17:48.580 of life, you know, which is not unusual. It's just, they did it Charlie Kirk style and turning point

00:17:54.620 style. So to me, it made perfect sense that they did use the pyrotechnics and no one,

00:17:59.380 no sane person was thinking that meant Erica was celebrating Charlie's death. I mean, it's just

00:18:05.680 like only the most cynical bastards would even suggest that. But of course, you know, we're

00:18:11.300 dealing with these leftists. So she comes out and she talks about Charlie's message and Charlie,

00:18:19.560 like what, what he wanted to do. And I think does, I'm trying to find out for my team is,

00:18:23.860 is SOT2, it came chronologically before SOT1, right? Because I want to play these in

00:18:28.980 sequential order. I think it did. Let's play SOT2.

00:18:33.280 Charlie passionately wanted to reach and save the lost boys of the West.

00:18:40.120 The young men who feel like they have no direction, no purpose, no faith and no reason to live.

00:18:46.860 The men wasting their lives on distractions and the men consumed with resentment, anger and hate.

00:18:57.660 Charlie wanted to help them.

00:18:59.040 He wanted them to have a home with Turning Point USA. And when he went onto campus, he was looking to show them a better path

00:19:09.960 and a better life that was right there for the taking. He wanted to show them that.

00:19:17.740 My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save

00:19:29.500 young men

00:19:32.840 just like the one who took his life.

00:19:36.600 OK, so first of all, that was such an astute observation and it's exactly right, Michael.

00:19:46.700 I mean, he, Charlie was there on these campuses in large part to save people like Tyler Robinson,

00:19:55.280 his killer, people who had gotten brainwashed into magical far left thinking about issues like gender and so on.

00:20:07.040 And to tell them that there could be a Jesus envisioned something better for them, that their lives could be better,

00:20:14.980 that they did not have to go in this downward spiral into which whatever online obsession throws you

00:20:21.380 or a society that doesn't value young white boys can throw you

00:20:25.520 or a university setting for too many semesters in a row can throw you.

00:20:30.320 I, you know, I don't know what happened to Tyler Robinson because you're saying precious little,

00:20:33.660 but obviously somehow he got put in the left wing whirlwind.

00:20:37.820 And before you knew it, his mind had been corrupted.

00:20:40.100 And that's what Charlie was doing there

00:20:42.500 at great danger to himself.

00:20:45.440 So before I get to the forgiveness, let's talk about that.

00:20:48.520 Yes. You know, one thing that Charlie excelled at

00:20:51.300 he excelled at many, many things, but one thing he excelled at was throwing issues into stark relief.

00:20:57.540 Charlie's opponents would always try to muddy up the waters.

00:21:00.160 You're seeing this now after a spate of left wing violence that's gone on for many years now,

00:21:04.860 many, many years, but certainly we can recall the BLM riots,

00:21:07.720 which were encouraged by the left wing authorities and which killed dozens of people

00:21:11.400 and burned a lot of the country down,

00:21:12.980 all the way up through the murder of Christian children at the Covenant School,

00:21:18.040 here in Minneapolis, all the way up to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:21:21.300 From left wing militants, and I'm leaving out a lot of other people too.

00:21:25.600 You know, they try to say, well, there's, it's both sides and it's unclear and there's good and bad.

00:21:30.280 No, no.

00:21:31.860 This is clear as day.

00:21:33.860 What the left has done in promoting violence,

00:21:37.000 in justifying violence,

00:21:38.200 in celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk,

00:21:40.100 and in committing the violence is totally the opposite of what Charlie Kirk did,

00:21:45.440 which is that he went to these campuses to try to help people who openly hated him

00:21:50.700 and to try to reach out and to, to exemplify civil dialogue

00:21:54.460 and to try to help and establish a political order that would allow all of us to flourish.

00:21:59.820 They preached evil and hatred and absurdity.

00:22:04.360 Charlie spoke about reason and truth and goodness, and they killed him for it.

00:22:10.240 This is as stark a relief as you can possibly imagine.

00:22:15.200 And it's very instructive now.

00:22:16.740 Charlie continues to teach these people even after he died, even through his death.

00:22:21.440 His death as if to say, there is a better way.

00:22:24.600 And his widow, with unbelievable, superhuman courage,

00:22:29.080 had the ability to get up there with great poise and elegance and, and to say that.

00:22:33.920 And, and in the moment to be able to channel

00:22:36.520 how Charlie would have viewed the young man who killed him,

00:22:40.960 how Charlie would have seen him and what Charlie would have done

00:22:44.180 had they had a face-to-face chat at one of these rope lines that you could get on at his events.

00:22:50.580 I think she's spot on.

00:22:52.080 He absolutely would have been respectful to him, would have heard him out.

00:22:56.060 They would have, he would have challenged his ideas in a way that was

00:22:58.680 kind and loving and forgiving and open.

00:23:01.920 And maybe he could have helped him, you know,

00:23:04.220 if that guy had only gotten online instead of gotten on a rooftop.

00:23:08.700 His life could have been saved.

00:23:10.820 Instead, he ended it with the bullet that he used to end Charlie's.

00:23:14.340 And then Erica Kirk did the thing that stunned the world.

00:23:19.460 I mean, if you were a Christian, you weren't totally stunned

00:23:22.400 because this is what we are taught to do.

00:23:25.140 It's just incredibly hard.

00:23:28.080 And I think most Christians eventually get to this piece of grief,

00:23:32.540 but some sooner than others.

00:23:35.060 And Erica is probably the most observant, faithful Christian I've known,

00:23:39.900 or at least one of them.

00:23:41.440 And she got there sooner than the rest of us,

00:23:44.100 even though her pain is more acute than the rest of ours.

00:23:48.340 And here is what she did.

00:23:49.960 It's not one.

00:23:54.500 My husband, Charlie.

00:23:58.640 He wanted to save

00:24:00.340 young men

00:24:03.660 just like the one who took his life.

00:24:07.440 That young man.

00:24:28.500 That young man.

00:24:30.720 On the cross, our Savior said,

00:24:32.940 Father, forgive them

00:24:39.540 for they not know what they do.

00:24:45.100 That man.

00:24:48.580 That young man.

00:24:53.000 I forgive him.

00:24:54.540 I forgive him.

00:24:55.540 Oh, this brings tears to my eyes just seeing it again.

00:25:10.920 The amount of strength that took

00:25:12.860 for Charlie's extremely loving widow

00:25:16.200 to stand up there 11 days after he was assassinated

00:25:19.060 in front of our eyes

00:25:19.880 and forgive his killer

00:25:21.420 is superhuman, Michael.

00:25:23.480 It felt like a gut punch in the room.

00:25:27.140 I'm with you.

00:25:27.540 I've seen the clip now multiple times.

00:25:30.120 I was there, obviously, when she said it.

00:25:32.420 And it felt like a gut punch,

00:25:35.340 like a good gut punch,

00:25:36.400 like a salutary gut punch.

00:25:38.520 But a gut punch, every time you hear it,

00:25:41.080 it boggles the mind

00:25:44.420 that one could have that reaction,

00:25:47.680 that one could have that kind of strength

00:25:49.420 and charity.

00:25:50.220 And consider the reaction of the crowd,

00:25:54.180 the reaction of the crowd,

00:25:55.260 which immediately gets on its feet,

00:25:57.540 tears in their eyes,

00:25:58.780 immediately starts applauding.

00:26:00.420 It shows you that contrast.

00:26:03.360 For starters, it shows you the power

00:26:05.600 of Christian forgiveness.

00:26:07.140 It shows you that our Lord,

00:26:09.000 who is God, who is reason himself,

00:26:10.560 so we shouldn't be surprised by this,

00:26:12.060 our Lord is right

00:26:13.140 when he tells you to forgive your enemies,

00:26:15.680 to forgive those who trespass against you

00:26:17.560 as you ask forgiveness from your father.

00:26:19.840 And it shows you also

00:26:21.000 the political power

00:26:22.940 of that kind of forgiveness.

00:26:25.100 And if I were a young man

00:26:26.480 on a university campus right now,

00:26:28.460 trying to figure out

00:26:29.300 what I think about the world,

00:26:30.780 one of the most persuasive campus speakers,

00:26:32.900 probably the most persuasive campus speaker,

00:26:35.160 was just assassinated

00:26:36.440 in an attempt to silence him.

00:26:38.600 Now we're trying to think,

00:26:39.400 which side do I want to be on?

00:26:41.540 Which way of life

00:26:42.960 is going to be most conducive

00:26:44.120 to my happiness?

00:26:45.440 And I see one side shrieking

00:26:47.040 and screaming

00:26:47.960 and calling for violence,

00:26:49.980 nastiness,

00:26:50.980 mutilating themselves,

00:26:52.500 degrading themselves.

00:26:53.640 And then I see Erica Kirk

00:26:54.960 on the other hand

00:26:55.740 and 100,000 people

00:26:57.740 in just one of the stadiums

00:26:59.420 that had this memorial,

00:27:00.760 100,000 people on their feet

00:27:02.060 applauding, cheering

00:27:03.400 that kind of forgiveness

00:27:04.520 and that kind of charity.

00:27:06.380 It would take a heart of stone

00:27:07.900 not to be moved to that side.

00:27:09.340 And not just that moment,

00:27:11.660 which was extraordinary enough,

00:27:13.600 but the way she talked,

00:27:15.620 for example,

00:27:16.000 about their marriage, Michael.

00:27:17.180 I felt like every person in America

00:27:20.720 is watching her thinking,

00:27:22.920 those two were so lucky.

00:27:25.960 You know, she talked about

00:27:26.820 how she was such a supportive wife,

00:27:29.700 she would support Charlie

00:27:30.740 and she would make the home

00:27:32.000 someplace warm and welcoming for him

00:27:34.480 when he came home

00:27:35.300 rather than guilting him

00:27:36.600 for being away too long on work trips.

00:27:39.740 You know, her mission was

00:27:40.760 to make him feel as welcome

00:27:41.960 and warm as possible

00:27:42.820 when he got back home.

00:27:44.460 And him leaving her the love notes,

00:27:46.260 she said,

00:27:46.700 which was their secret weapon

00:27:48.160 between the two of them

00:27:49.180 in a good way,

00:27:50.420 where he would write her

00:27:51.760 the highlight of his week

00:27:52.820 or the low light of his week

00:27:54.000 and always end it with,

00:27:55.780 how can I serve you better

00:27:56.860 as your husband?

00:27:57.800 You know, what can I do

00:27:58.500 to make you happier

00:28:00.060 and more satisfied?

00:28:01.100 You know, there's just this picture

00:28:02.600 of this giving, loving,

00:28:05.120 mutually supportive couple.

00:28:07.160 Like, that is a Christian marriage.

00:28:09.060 That didn't surprise me at all.

00:28:11.340 But I think a lot of people

00:28:12.180 looking in

00:28:12.960 who have had this caricature

00:28:14.560 of Charlie

00:28:15.260 got a real window there

00:28:17.240 into what kind of a man

00:28:18.320 he really was

00:28:19.640 and what kind of a life

00:28:20.480 he was really leading.

00:28:22.840 Yes, without question.

00:28:24.800 You know, for his friends,

00:28:26.200 many, many friends he had

00:28:27.300 and his many, many admirers,

00:28:29.300 I think we're all

00:28:30.780 somewhat surprised

00:28:32.120 by the way the media

00:28:34.100 are trying to lie about him.

00:28:35.440 We should never be surprised

00:28:36.240 by the perfidy

00:28:36.800 of the liberal media,

00:28:37.900 but we are

00:28:39.040 because the picture

00:28:40.560 that they've painted

00:28:41.260 that this guy

00:28:41.780 were somehow a hater

00:28:43.260 or this guy were nasty

00:28:45.280 or wished ill upon people

00:28:46.420 is so utterly foreign

00:28:48.160 to the man

00:28:49.000 in private, in public,

00:28:51.340 for anyone who actually

00:28:52.240 would watch or listen to him.

00:28:53.640 It's just totally divorced

00:28:55.040 from reality.

00:28:56.400 And what she is describing

00:28:57.660 illustrates this,

00:29:00.180 this complimentary view

00:29:02.400 of how we should all

00:29:03.560 get along,

00:29:04.400 this view with real integrity

00:29:06.200 because what she said was,

00:29:08.300 Charlie and I fit together.

00:29:11.220 We complimented one another.

00:29:12.860 He did this

00:29:13.620 and I did that.

00:29:14.860 And the that supported this

00:29:16.400 and the this supported that

00:29:17.480 and we grew together

00:29:18.560 and we were like one flesh,

00:29:20.940 which is what Christian marriage is.

00:29:22.960 And I think the modern view,

00:29:25.260 which stems from the error

00:29:26.880 that says that men and women

00:29:28.100 are the same,

00:29:29.260 views husbands and wives

00:29:30.420 in competition with each other.

00:29:32.720 The husbands and wives

00:29:33.580 is basically doing the same thing,

00:29:35.200 serving the same purpose.

00:29:36.920 They're indiscernible.

00:29:38.480 And so that view breeds resentment.

00:29:41.540 You know, you view your spouse

00:29:42.980 as a rival rather than

00:29:44.320 as your helper,

00:29:45.420 as your other half.

00:29:46.960 And it's the same kind

00:29:48.940 of complementarity

00:29:49.820 that you see with the way

00:29:51.520 that they spoke about justice

00:29:53.480 and forgiveness yesterday.

00:29:54.820 You know, these things

00:29:56.200 are not opposed.

00:29:57.640 And in fact,

00:29:58.300 one without the other

00:29:59.400 will lead to the detriment of both.

00:30:03.380 You know,

00:30:04.060 there's a lot of posts

00:30:06.940 that went viral

00:30:07.480 after the memorial service,

00:30:09.140 but this one bears mentioning.

00:30:11.180 It's by someone named

00:30:12.300 Sana Ebrahimi.

00:30:15.360 And per this person's bio,

00:30:18.240 they are a PhD candidate

00:30:19.820 who's passionate about politics.

00:30:22.560 Sounds like a man, Sana.

00:30:23.960 I mean, a woman, Sana,

00:30:24.940 but I don't know.

00:30:26.400 Okay, it says,

00:30:26.960 I grew up,

00:30:27.820 yeah, it's a woman.

00:30:28.380 I grew up as a Muslim

00:30:29.160 in a Muslim country.

00:30:30.360 I don't know enough

00:30:31.100 about Christianity

00:30:31.720 to say if what I witnessed

00:30:33.740 is rooted in faith or culture.

00:30:36.000 But what struck me the most

00:30:37.540 was how even though death is heavy,

00:30:39.980 and this was by nature

00:30:40.880 a sad occasion,

00:30:41.900 the entire event carried

00:30:43.080 a celebratory spirit

00:30:44.240 that honored life.

00:30:45.680 That contrast hit me deeply.

00:30:47.940 In Islam,

00:30:48.680 even though we believe

00:30:49.440 that good people go to heaven,

00:30:51.040 the relationship with God

00:30:52.060 is taught through fear.

00:30:53.980 I cannot imagine myself

00:30:55.300 standing on a stage

00:30:56.200 sending love to those

00:30:57.340 who cheered your husband's murder

00:30:59.280 or inviting others

00:31:00.740 to spread God's love

00:31:02.300 in response

00:31:03.280 because, as she said,

00:31:05.060 quote,

00:31:05.380 we do not respond to hate

00:31:06.880 with hate.

00:31:08.060 That is powerful beyond words.

00:31:10.480 Again, I am ignorant

00:31:11.420 when it comes to Christianity,

00:31:13.160 but if this is what

00:31:14.500 it truly embodies,

00:31:16.240 then I am envious

00:31:17.480 of those who get

00:31:18.420 to experience that feeling.

00:31:20.080 I mean, it is extraordinary,

00:31:23.420 but that word envy

00:31:24.460 is the right one

00:31:25.400 to think of anybody

00:31:27.000 in the world

00:31:27.660 looking at Erica Kirk

00:31:29.040 on the day she said

00:31:30.920 her final goodbye

00:31:31.620 to her husband

00:31:32.220 and feeling envy.

00:31:34.640 But having been there,

00:31:36.400 we get it, right?

00:31:37.420 The people who watched it

00:31:38.380 on TV get it.

00:31:40.940 That was an astute observation

00:31:42.740 from this person.

00:31:43.600 When you said

00:31:44.020 it was a PhD candidate

00:31:45.120 obsessed with politics,

00:31:46.140 I said we are about to hear

00:31:47.040 the worst thing of the morning.

00:31:48.620 But no,

00:31:49.120 that was very astute.

00:31:51.340 And the distinction

00:31:52.160 between Christianity

00:31:53.600 and Islam,

00:31:54.560 or really Christianity

00:31:55.300 and any other religious tradition,

00:31:57.180 is clear too.

00:31:58.460 In the case of Islam,

00:31:59.960 Pope Benedict XVI

00:32:00.840 addressed this

00:32:02.240 in the Regensburg Address

00:32:03.300 in which he was citing

00:32:04.200 medieval Islamic scholars,

00:32:06.240 notably Ibn Hazm.

00:32:07.480 And he pointed out

00:32:07.960 there is a big difference

00:32:08.600 between the God of Islam

00:32:09.500 and the God of Christianity

00:32:10.440 in that the God of Christianity

00:32:12.580 is identified with the logos,

00:32:14.340 the divine logic

00:32:15.180 of the universe.

00:32:16.280 He makes sense.

00:32:17.680 The God of Islam

00:32:18.540 is totally transcendent,

00:32:21.360 voluntarist,

00:32:22.380 not necessarily connected

00:32:23.840 with logic,

00:32:25.020 not necessarily reasonable,

00:32:26.960 such that if he ordered

00:32:28.580 his followers

00:32:29.220 to worship idols,

00:32:30.600 they would be compelled

00:32:32.140 and impelled to do so.

00:32:33.600 That's a big difference

00:32:35.100 because those who are Christian

00:32:37.640 have a deep faith

00:32:39.900 that God is reasonable,

00:32:41.920 that it all makes sense,

00:32:43.360 that God turns,

00:32:44.600 even evil things,

00:32:46.440 to good.

00:32:47.520 He's on our side.

00:32:48.740 He's always on our side.

00:32:50.180 And when we have questions

00:32:51.280 in the face of

00:32:52.800 the greatest problem

00:32:53.860 that people have with God,

00:32:55.140 namely theodicy,

00:32:56.240 why bad things happen

00:32:57.540 to good people,

00:32:58.560 we are reminded

00:32:59.220 of what God said to Job,

00:33:01.440 where were you

00:33:01.920 when I laid the foundations

00:33:03.020 of the earth?

00:33:04.100 We believe that God

00:33:05.360 has prepared something

00:33:06.340 beautiful for us.

00:33:07.220 And so we mourn.

00:33:08.640 It's right to mourn.

00:33:09.940 Jesus wept at the tomb

00:33:11.900 of his friend Lazarus

00:33:13.100 moments before he raised

00:33:14.640 Lazarus from the dead,

00:33:15.620 but he wept

00:33:16.100 because death is bad.

00:33:17.660 Death was not part

00:33:18.440 of the original plan.

00:33:19.940 Death enters the world

00:33:20.780 because sin enters the world

00:33:21.900 because human beings

00:33:22.840 abuse our free will.

00:33:24.820 But God,

00:33:25.800 being all-knowing

00:33:26.880 and all-powerful

00:33:27.600 and all-loving,

00:33:28.760 turns even evil things

00:33:29.960 to good,

00:33:30.880 which takes away

00:33:31.940 the sting of death

00:33:33.240 because we believe

00:33:34.440 in the fullness

00:33:35.520 of the gospel

00:33:36.480 that our Lord

00:33:38.440 is resurrected

00:33:39.100 and that Christ

00:33:40.080 has conquered death

00:33:40.860 on the cross

00:33:41.560 and even death

00:33:42.840 loses its power over us.

00:33:45.220 The radical left

00:33:48.360 felt differently

00:33:49.020 about the day.

00:33:51.740 They weren't moved.

00:33:52.760 You'll be shocked to hear

00:33:53.500 the people who would

00:33:54.280 celebrate Charlie's death

00:33:55.380 also found no reason

00:33:57.280 to repent,

00:33:59.720 having gotten to know

00:34:00.740 his friends,

00:34:01.600 his family,

00:34:02.340 his wife,

00:34:03.120 his colleagues,

00:34:04.020 nothing.

00:34:04.480 Nothing could move them.

00:34:06.600 And so they decided

00:34:07.420 to zero in

00:34:08.180 on that one comment

00:34:09.060 by Trump,

00:34:10.180 which was funny

00:34:10.920 and, as you say,

00:34:12.100 self-deprecating,

00:34:13.200 and on Stephen Miller's speech,

00:34:15.680 which, I'm just going

00:34:16.880 to be honest,

00:34:18.060 was one of my favorite speeches.

00:34:19.780 I loved it.

00:34:20.360 I told him I loved it.

00:34:22.700 My anger is still strong

00:34:26.280 and it was one of those

00:34:27.800 shoot-it-into-my-veins

00:34:28.780 moments.

00:34:30.000 I wanted to hear him

00:34:31.640 say,

00:34:33.380 like,

00:34:34.080 we're going to go

00:34:35.160 after our enemies.

00:34:36.680 There's a reason

00:34:37.600 they killed Charlie.

00:34:39.440 And it was like,

00:34:40.580 yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:34:43.240 So we cut a little bit

00:34:44.140 of this so-called

00:34:45.720 rage fest.

00:34:47.580 Rage fest is how

00:34:48.640 the Huffington Post

00:34:49.540 described Charlie's memorial.

00:34:51.560 The whole thing.

00:34:52.620 Okay.

00:34:53.400 It was not a rage fest.

00:34:55.760 The opposite.

00:34:56.620 It was a love fest.

00:34:57.760 But some of us

00:34:58.820 needed the Stephen Miller

00:35:00.280 moment,

00:35:00.660 and here's part of it.

00:35:02.540 We'll defeat the dark.

00:35:04.820 We will prevail

00:35:06.180 over the forces

00:35:07.600 of wickedness

00:35:08.580 and evil.

00:35:10.000 They cannot imagine

00:35:11.640 what they have awakened.

00:35:13.900 They cannot conceive

00:35:15.220 of the army

00:35:16.460 that they have arisen

00:35:18.020 in all of us.

00:35:19.580 Because we stand

00:35:21.060 for what is good,

00:35:22.220 what is virtuous,

00:35:23.500 what is noble.

00:35:25.040 And to those

00:35:25.600 trying to incite

00:35:26.520 violence against us,

00:35:28.540 those trying to

00:35:29.500 foment hatred

00:35:30.240 against us,

00:35:31.200 what do you have?

00:35:33.180 You have nothing.

00:35:34.960 You are nothing.

00:35:36.740 You are wickedness.

00:35:38.060 You are jealousy.

00:35:39.140 You are envy.

00:35:40.200 You are hatred.

00:35:41.800 You are nothing.

00:35:43.380 You can build nothing.

00:35:45.000 You can produce nothing.

00:35:47.200 You can create nothing.

00:35:49.960 We are the ones

00:35:50.880 who build.

00:35:51.720 We are the ones

00:35:52.640 who create.

00:35:53.220 We are the ones

00:35:54.940 who lift up humanity.

00:35:58.460 You thought you could

00:36:00.020 kill Charlie Kirk?

00:36:01.720 You have made him immortal.

00:36:04.520 You have immortalized

00:36:05.760 Charlie Kirk.

00:36:07.000 And now millions

00:36:07.960 will carry on his legacy.

00:36:11.020 All right, Michael Knowles.

00:36:12.220 I don't take Valium,

00:36:13.560 but I imagine

00:36:14.100 if I took Valium,

00:36:15.320 that's how I would feel.

00:36:16.580 Like, okay, I'm settling.

00:36:18.240 I feel better.

00:36:19.240 I don't know.

00:36:19.600 Like my,

00:36:20.540 somehow I went from feeling

00:36:22.120 like angst

00:36:23.360 to feeling like,

00:36:24.580 yes, everything's

00:36:25.260 going to be okay

00:36:25.860 because he gets it.

00:36:27.420 We needed him too.

00:36:30.180 The person I was sitting

00:36:31.380 next to during

00:36:32.340 Stephen's speech

00:36:33.720 turns to me

00:36:34.880 and he's not Jewish,

00:36:36.500 this person,

00:36:37.080 but he said,

00:36:37.620 wow, Michael,

00:36:38.580 the Jews really do

00:36:39.540 the Old Testament well.

00:36:40.760 They really know

00:36:41.860 what they're doing.

00:36:42.620 This is bringing

00:36:43.500 some real power

00:36:44.380 and force here.

00:36:45.140 Nailed it.

00:36:45.640 And I was joking

00:36:47.360 with some friends

00:36:48.100 that I was sitting with.

00:36:49.100 I said, look,

00:36:49.600 I'm very traditional.

00:36:51.400 Someday when my time comes,

00:36:53.180 I want it to be very trad,

00:36:55.040 no speeches,

00:36:55.900 no eulogy,

00:36:56.960 you know,

00:36:57.160 all the rest of it.

00:36:58.140 I said, with one exception.

00:36:59.640 I told this to Stephen Miller.

00:37:01.340 I said, Stephen,

00:37:01.920 you can speak at my,

00:37:02.660 I want that speech.

00:37:04.000 No matter how I went.

00:37:06.080 Right, right,

00:37:06.660 the same speech

00:37:07.240 no matter what.

00:37:08.220 Yes, I don't care.

00:37:08.920 I could go at age 105

00:37:10.300 of old age or something.

00:37:12.680 But what Stephen

00:37:14.620 was expressing there,

00:37:16.120 I think,

00:37:17.280 stirred a lot

00:37:17.920 of people's hearts.

00:37:19.060 I think it spoke

00:37:19.760 to a lot of

00:37:20.480 what we were yearning for.

00:37:21.820 And, by the way,

00:37:23.460 even that was

00:37:24.140 a deeply Christian message.

00:37:26.120 We build,

00:37:27.380 they destroy.

00:37:28.520 That has been true

00:37:29.660 since the terms

00:37:30.660 left and right

00:37:31.540 entered into politics

00:37:32.820 during the French Revolution

00:37:33.960 when the leftists

00:37:35.220 sat on the left side

00:37:36.140 of the National Assembly

00:37:37.000 and the Christians

00:37:38.100 and the people

00:37:38.660 who wanted to maintain order

00:37:39.700 sat on the right side.

00:37:41.220 The left was

00:37:41.940 tearing things down,

00:37:43.100 killing people,

00:37:43.840 chopping off heads,

00:37:45.080 burning buildings,

00:37:45.980 and the right was trying

00:37:47.120 to preserve civilization.

00:37:49.000 And this has

00:37:50.120 a Christian resonance too

00:37:51.340 because evil

00:37:53.400 does not have

00:37:54.100 an existence

00:37:54.660 in itself.

00:37:56.220 There are plenty

00:37:56.760 of religious systems

00:37:57.880 that say that

00:37:58.440 there's evil

00:37:59.220 and there's good

00:37:59.900 and it's this kind

00:38:00.580 of dualist system

00:38:01.580 where they're duking it out.

00:38:02.740 That's what

00:38:03.040 Manichaeism is.

00:38:04.220 That's what all

00:38:04.600 number of heresies are.

00:38:06.060 That's not what

00:38:06.640 Christianity says.

00:38:07.740 Christianity says

00:38:08.620 there is good.

00:38:10.600 There is good.

00:38:11.280 Good is so real

00:38:11.960 that good is even incarnate

00:38:13.220 and good is absolute.

00:38:14.660 And evil

00:38:15.220 has no existence

00:38:16.380 of itself.

00:38:17.320 Evil is merely

00:38:18.080 a privation

00:38:19.000 of the good.

00:38:19.900 Evil is merely

00:38:20.740 known by its distance

00:38:22.320 away from God.

00:38:23.920 And so we don't need

00:38:24.580 to fear evil

00:38:25.440 as some rival God

00:38:28.380 that could overtake us.

00:38:29.460 No.

00:38:29.740 The light shines

00:38:30.420 in the darkness

00:38:31.020 and the darkness

00:38:31.920 never overtakes it.

00:38:33.500 And that is what

00:38:34.320 Stephen's saying.

00:38:35.020 He says

00:38:35.240 what we are doing

00:38:36.720 is we're building,

00:38:37.420 we're constructing,

00:38:38.900 we're creating

00:38:39.540 something that is

00:38:40.580 positive,

00:38:41.600 that has an existence

00:38:42.900 in itself.

00:38:43.960 And if they want

00:38:44.980 to tear it down

00:38:45.580 and knock it down,

00:38:46.720 let them try

00:38:47.300 their very best.

00:38:48.200 Pay them no heed.

00:38:49.220 We're going to

00:38:49.840 keep moving forward.

00:38:50.880 A beautiful message,

00:38:51.920 a Christian message,

00:38:53.000 and a message

00:38:53.380 I think we all know

00:38:54.360 Charlie would

00:38:55.020 hardly agree with.

00:38:56.660 The other thing

00:38:57.520 that's infuriating

00:38:58.260 about calling it

00:38:59.220 a rage fest,

00:38:59.880 and that's just

00:39:00.420 one example,

00:39:00.940 there's plenty

00:39:01.400 of lefty media coverage.

00:39:02.760 Like here's just one,

00:39:04.160 liberal podcast host,

00:39:05.280 David Pakman.

00:39:05.880 The Charlie Kirk funeral

00:39:07.200 is absolutely disgusting.

00:39:09.540 Riddled with speeches

00:39:10.520 that only dial up

00:39:11.500 the temperature.

00:39:12.580 Stephen Miller's

00:39:13.200 was particularly vile.

00:39:15.020 A lot of posts

00:39:15.840 like that from the left.

00:39:17.780 But what's particularly

00:39:19.020 annoying about

00:39:20.760 that reaction is,

00:39:23.920 does anyone have

00:39:24.860 any idea what they're

00:39:25.500 doing, Stephen Miller,

00:39:26.520 what they've done

00:39:27.060 to Stephen Miller

00:39:27.700 in Trump 1.0

00:39:29.240 and the interim

00:39:30.400 and then Trump 2.0?

00:39:31.980 That poor guy

00:39:32.840 has been harassed

00:39:33.980 at every turn

00:39:35.140 in all aspects

00:39:36.720 of his life.

00:39:37.380 They labeled him

00:39:38.420 a white supremacist

00:39:39.480 and they are literally

00:39:40.620 comparing him

00:39:41.280 to Joseph Goebbels

00:39:42.080 again all over

00:39:43.500 the internet today.

00:39:44.740 They, they,

00:39:45.480 I'm sorry,

00:39:46.480 they want to get him killed.

00:39:47.880 The way they gin up

00:39:49.400 hatred around him,

00:39:51.200 you would behave

00:39:52.080 no differently

00:39:52.520 if you had a goal

00:39:53.460 of having somebody

00:39:54.700 take Stephen Miller out.

00:39:56.160 And Trump,

00:39:57.600 they're,

00:39:57.940 they're taking

00:39:58.700 umbrage with Trump

00:39:59.900 saying,

00:40:00.360 I hate my enemies,

00:40:01.320 I hate him.

00:40:02.260 You know,

00:40:02.500 like,

00:40:03.020 why wouldn't he?

00:40:04.300 They literally

00:40:05.660 tried to put him

00:40:06.740 in prison

00:40:07.340 for the rest of his life.

00:40:09.020 They tried to bankrupt him

00:40:10.360 and then two people

00:40:12.220 who were very influenced

00:40:13.420 by their messages

00:40:14.160 tried to kill him.

00:40:15.680 But they want,

00:40:16.560 they want Trump

00:40:17.480 to be Erica Kirk.

00:40:18.580 They want Stephen Miller

00:40:19.580 to be Erica Kirk.

00:40:21.100 Just go out there

00:40:21.860 with a forgiving message

00:40:22.760 and would they change

00:40:24.060 their messages

00:40:24.700 about those two

00:40:25.660 if they had that moment

00:40:27.040 on stage?

00:40:28.040 Hell no.

00:40:28.920 Certainly not.

00:40:30.680 You mentioned this

00:40:31.500 liberal streamer,

00:40:33.080 David Pakman.

00:40:33.880 I seem to recall

00:40:34.640 some time ago

00:40:35.840 he mocked Christian children

00:40:37.540 for being massacred

00:40:38.500 and said,

00:40:38.740 oh,

00:40:38.900 they need to pray more

00:40:39.800 or something like that.

00:40:40.700 You know,

00:40:40.880 this is,

00:40:41.180 and it's not just him.

00:40:42.260 Many people have had

00:40:43.060 this kind of a response

00:40:44.160 and it's vile.

00:40:46.560 It has a,

00:40:47.600 more than a whiff

00:40:48.160 of the demonic to it.

00:40:49.700 But they,

00:40:50.900 even in the midst

00:40:51.540 of all of this

00:40:52.300 political violence,

00:40:53.160 they continue to call for it.

00:40:54.680 As you point out,

00:40:55.720 Megan,

00:40:56.280 the two people

00:40:57.020 who tried to murder Trump,

00:40:58.080 one who got quite close,

00:40:59.700 were inspired

00:41:00.660 by the Democrat rhetoric.

00:41:02.120 You don't need

00:41:02.480 to look too closely into it.

00:41:03.820 Joe Biden started

00:41:04.700 his presidential campaign

00:41:05.780 by saying that

00:41:06.620 Donald Trump poses

00:41:07.500 an existential threat

00:41:08.760 to the country.

00:41:09.580 When you use a term

00:41:10.500 like that,

00:41:10.960 existential threat,

00:41:12.180 you are clearly

00:41:13.520 justifying violence

00:41:14.640 because the violence

00:41:15.280 would be in self-defense.

00:41:17.440 You saw plenty of people

00:41:18.660 celebrating the murder

00:41:19.640 of Charlie Kirk.

00:41:20.980 You saw plenty of people

00:41:21.960 excusing it.

00:41:22.980 You've seen violence

00:41:24.060 from the left

00:41:24.760 over the course

00:41:25.680 of many years

00:41:26.300 at this point

00:41:26.980 and you're seeing now

00:41:28.760 even in California,

00:41:29.660 Gavin Newsom

00:41:30.220 is trying

00:41:31.020 as a matter of law,

00:41:32.020 though it will fail,

00:41:33.080 to make ICE agents

00:41:34.100 take their masks down.

00:41:35.280 They have masks on

00:41:35.980 so that they're not

00:41:36.880 doxed and harassed

00:41:38.480 by the illegal alien

00:41:40.720 Latin American cartels

00:41:42.220 and the radical leftists.

00:41:43.540 I'm not sure

00:41:43.960 which is more dangerous

00:41:44.800 at this point.

00:41:45.560 Right.

00:41:45.740 But Newsom is doing that.

00:41:47.040 He says,

00:41:47.260 what are you afraid of?

00:41:48.040 We know the obvious answer.

00:41:49.420 They're afraid

00:41:50.200 that these people

00:41:51.460 are going to kill them

00:41:52.340 and they have very good reason

00:41:53.280 to be afraid of that

00:41:54.080 and the only reason

00:41:55.080 that Gavin Newsom

00:41:55.720 is pushing for this law

00:41:56.680 is to intimidate them,

00:41:58.120 to threaten them,

00:41:58.720 and to increase the chances

00:41:59.780 that they're murdered.

00:42:00.720 So the left has manifestly

00:42:02.480 learned no lesson

00:42:03.400 on political violence,

00:42:05.460 still seeks the targeting

00:42:06.560 of its political opponents,

00:42:08.100 and we have to accept

00:42:09.120 that fact

00:42:09.740 and respond accordingly

00:42:11.160 by reinstituting

00:42:12.160 some order

00:42:12.700 to the public square,

00:42:13.880 punishing people

00:42:14.640 where their threats

00:42:15.720 and their incitement

00:42:16.620 are indeed criminal,

00:42:18.200 taking these people

00:42:19.260 and ostracizing them

00:42:21.580 from polite society,

00:42:22.720 their very existence

00:42:23.820 in polite society

00:42:25.300 undermines

00:42:26.240 the free marketplace

00:42:26.960 of ideas.

00:42:27.960 They need to go live

00:42:28.720 private lives

00:42:29.460 somewhere else

00:42:30.160 where they are not

00:42:30.980 creating this kind

00:42:33.360 of a danger

00:42:33.920 and disrupting

00:42:34.840 American liberty.

00:42:36.840 They've shown us

00:42:37.660 who they are repeatedly

00:42:38.500 and their reaction

00:42:39.620 to the Kirk Memorial

00:42:40.560 is the latest

00:42:42.420 reaffirmation of that.

00:42:44.280 So what is your mindset

00:42:45.440 right now?

00:42:46.280 Because a lot of the folks

00:42:47.800 I talked to behind stage

00:42:50.980 yesterday were angry

00:42:54.480 like we are about the left

00:42:56.800 and what's been done here,

00:42:57.780 what's been done to Charlie

00:42:58.720 11 days ago,

00:43:00.280 12 days ago,

00:43:00.860 and what's been done

00:43:01.640 in the wake of his death too

00:43:02.720 and felt that it's just time

00:43:06.040 to go scorched earth,

00:43:07.060 you know,

00:43:07.340 like we can't deal

00:43:08.980 with these people at all,

00:43:10.120 you know,

00:43:10.320 and I've been saying that

00:43:11.020 in this show,

00:43:11.740 full disclosure,

00:43:12.320 and others felt,

00:43:15.040 feeling more connected

00:43:15.940 with God

00:43:16.500 and Christian faith

00:43:17.280 and so on

00:43:17.740 were feeling like

00:43:18.600 let's try to extend

00:43:20.200 the olive branch,

00:43:21.240 let's try,

00:43:21.660 we've got a country to save

00:43:23.240 and that means

00:43:23.820 we're going to have to work

00:43:24.760 with the left

00:43:25.220 and, you know,

00:43:25.600 the reasonable left

00:43:26.440 and not be scorched earth

00:43:29.600 and I just want to say

00:43:32.500 one thing about it.

00:43:34.240 One of the reasons

00:43:34.980 why I'm in the former camp

00:43:36.420 and just think it's time

00:43:39.280 for scorched earth,

00:43:40.160 I just,

00:43:40.600 I'm,

00:43:41.240 and I'm,

00:43:41.680 I've always been

00:43:42.320 the more moderate one,

00:43:43.240 Michael,

00:43:43.540 I really have been,

00:43:44.180 I've been like more moderate,

00:43:45.180 I have not been

00:43:45.720 like a hard right conservative

00:43:47.440 but I'm just,

00:43:48.540 they've driven me here,

00:43:49.780 like they have not shown

00:43:50.860 the ability or willingness

00:43:52.200 to work with us

00:43:52.920 and now our people

00:43:53.800 are getting killed,

00:43:54.480 like literally getting killed,

00:43:55.700 almost assassinated

00:43:56.460 in Trump's case,

00:43:57.480 actually assassinated

00:43:58.340 in Charlie's

00:43:58.940 and I'm just,

00:43:59.340 I'm just done,

00:44:00.200 I'm just done,

00:44:01.380 is that they won't

00:44:03.160 take responsibility

00:44:03.920 for what happened,

00:44:05.380 they won't admit

00:44:06.180 that Charlie's killer

00:44:07.560 was of the left

00:44:08.580 and they won't admit

00:44:10.540 that the political violence

00:44:12.300 we've been seeing

00:44:12.880 in this country

00:44:13.460 is overwhelmingly

00:44:14.960 from the left,

00:44:16.800 maybe you could find

00:44:17.780 one or two incidents

00:44:18.740 out of the past 20

00:44:19.860 that you could blame

00:44:20.800 on a righty,

00:44:22.340 nothing's coming to mind

00:44:23.240 but okay,

00:44:24.600 I'm sure there's one or two

00:44:25.720 but the vast majority

00:44:27.740 is coming from them

00:44:28.720 and they won't acknowledge it

00:44:30.260 which is why I'm feeling

00:44:32.060 radicalized,

00:44:33.180 but where are you?

00:44:34.700 not only will they not

00:44:35.540 acknowledge it,

00:44:36.040 they'll lie about it,

00:44:36.740 you had that Democrat

00:44:37.460 Congressman Seth Moulton

00:44:38.700 come out immediately

00:44:39.660 after Charlie's death

00:44:40.860 and lie on television

00:44:42.600 and say three quarters

00:44:43.620 of political violence

00:44:44.480 in America comes

00:44:45.140 from the right,

00:44:45.920 only 4% comes

00:44:47.020 from the left.

00:44:47.860 When I heard this,

00:44:48.940 I thought,

00:44:49.780 well,

00:44:50.060 that doesn't sound

00:44:50.740 right to me

00:44:51.420 but I don't know,

00:44:53.000 I haven't looked

00:44:53.440 at the crime statistics,

00:44:54.480 let me see where

00:44:54.940 he gets those numbers from

00:44:55.900 and I look

00:44:56.700 and there are a couple

00:44:57.240 of studies

00:44:57.680 that suggest as much

00:44:58.900 and then I said,

00:44:59.980 hold on,

00:45:01.080 let me look at

00:45:01.700 the actual incidents

00:45:03.060 of violence

00:45:03.760 and I just considered

00:45:04.840 the ones that were

00:45:05.520 closer to me,

00:45:06.680 the shooting in Nashville,

00:45:08.640 the trans ideologue

00:45:09.780 who shot up a school

00:45:10.760 of Christian children,

00:45:12.260 who confessed

00:45:14.440 her ideological motivations

00:45:17.020 and who began

00:45:17.980 the killing by shooting

00:45:19.100 through stained glass

00:45:20.840 an image of Adam and Eve,

00:45:22.080 rather charged imagery

00:45:23.220 and I looked at that

00:45:24.500 and then I saw

00:45:25.160 that the authorities

00:45:25.860 did not consider that

00:45:27.460 to be ideologically motivated

00:45:29.060 so it was not,

00:45:30.120 it was not considered

00:45:30.800 a trans ideologue

00:45:32.340 targets little

00:45:33.140 Christian children

00:45:34.180 for belief

00:45:35.700 that's not far left violence.

00:45:37.300 Then that same year,

00:45:38.320 I was actually involved

00:45:39.760 in one of these incidents,

00:45:40.640 I was giving a talk,

00:45:42.140 there was a debate

00:45:42.680 on transgenderism

00:45:43.800 at the University of Pittsburgh

00:45:45.340 and two anarchists

00:45:47.220 showed up,

00:45:47.920 a couple,

00:45:48.820 and they burned me

00:45:49.940 in effigy on the street

00:45:50.760 and all these sorts of things

00:45:51.660 but then they threw

00:45:53.540 an explosive at the building

00:45:54.800 as I walked on stage

00:45:56.000 and seriously injured

00:45:57.780 a female police officer,

00:45:59.000 one of them is in federal prison

00:46:00.140 right now for this.

00:46:01.720 That incident is not classified

00:46:03.340 as left-wing violence.

00:46:04.400 These were card-carrying anarchists,

00:46:06.200 a member of an Antifa network,

00:46:07.800 actual terrorists

00:46:08.880 who were stopped

00:46:09.640 multiple times

00:46:10.400 going through TSA

00:46:11.100 with explosive material on them,

00:46:12.740 that doesn't count.

00:46:13.600 And I realized

00:46:14.220 how the left,

00:46:15.280 people like Seth Moulton,

00:46:16.740 arrive at that statistic.

00:46:18.160 They don't count

00:46:19.020 the left-wing violence.

00:46:20.100 So it turns out

00:46:20.760 leftists don't commit

00:46:21.740 political violence

00:46:22.520 so long as you don't count

00:46:23.860 any of the violence

00:46:24.600 that the leftists commit.

00:46:25.660 And so that number

00:46:27.240 is ridiculous.

00:46:28.700 And then you see

00:46:30.220 the celebrations

00:46:31.480 and the excuses

00:46:32.640 and the justifications

00:46:33.780 and all the rest of it.

00:46:35.120 And I understand

00:46:35.720 the urge to go

00:46:36.520 scorched earth.

00:46:37.540 I just think it's kind

00:46:38.580 of a false dichotomy.

00:46:40.100 I don't think

00:46:40.720 that the distinction

00:46:41.680 is between

00:46:42.240 going scorched earth

00:46:43.540 and bringing the bad

00:46:44.460 to bear

00:46:44.880 versus Christian piety.

00:46:46.760 There's nothing

00:46:47.240 about Christianity

00:46:48.040 that tells us to be wimps.

00:46:49.740 There's nothing

00:46:50.120 about Christian piety

00:46:51.020 that says that we ought

00:46:52.020 to let the cruel

00:46:52.980 rape the innocent.

00:46:53.720 That has nothing

00:46:54.960 to do with Christianity.

00:46:56.400 It's a total error

00:46:57.560 and misunderstanding.

00:46:59.040 What I think

00:46:59.700 is required right now

00:47:00.860 is that we,

00:47:02.200 in charity,

00:47:03.120 with love for our enemies,

00:47:04.580 willing their good,

00:47:06.240 have to reestablish order

00:47:08.140 because order

00:47:09.680 and liberty

00:47:10.300 are not at odds.

00:47:11.720 We're talking about

00:47:12.320 these apparent contradictions

00:47:13.420 that are not really contradictions.

00:47:15.120 Liberty requires order.

00:47:17.060 You cannot be free

00:47:18.040 if you're undisciplined.

00:47:19.740 You cannot be free

00:47:20.560 if you're totally ignorant.

00:47:22.320 This is why

00:47:22.900 we don't let

00:47:23.320 toddlers vote.

00:47:24.380 We know this philosophically,

00:47:25.740 but we also know it intuitively.

00:47:27.480 You can't have

00:47:28.160 a marketplace of ideas

00:47:29.420 if people keep coming in

00:47:30.780 and shooting up

00:47:31.320 the marketplace.

00:47:32.400 Marketplaces require

00:47:33.400 order and regulations

00:47:34.660 and common media

00:47:35.520 of exchange

00:47:36.120 and all manner

00:47:37.120 of civilization.

00:47:38.820 That's what we have

00:47:39.680 to insist upon.

00:47:40.880 Even going back,

00:47:41.720 I was reminded

00:47:42.280 of Plato's Gorgias,

00:47:43.380 which is a treatise

00:47:44.700 on how to deal

00:47:45.720 with criminals.

00:47:47.260 One of the interlocutors

00:47:48.500 says to Socrates,

00:47:49.660 it's better for criminals

00:47:50.700 if you let them

00:47:51.220 off the hook.

00:47:51.820 You don't prosecute them.

00:47:52.960 And Socrates says,

00:47:53.940 no, no, no,

00:47:54.260 to the contrary.

00:47:55.320 It's much worse

00:47:56.080 for criminals.

00:47:56.880 You need to rehabilitate criminals.

00:47:59.060 If you allow them

00:47:59.720 to continue to do

00:48:00.560 all these terrible things,

00:48:01.820 they'll be distorting

00:48:03.200 their own souls

00:48:04.000 and it will lead

00:48:05.420 to eternal consequences

00:48:06.780 for them.

00:48:07.520 What you have to do,

00:48:08.920 not only to protect

00:48:09.760 the innocent,

00:48:10.500 but even to help

00:48:11.300 the guilty,

00:48:12.200 is you need

00:48:13.080 to correct them.

00:48:14.280 And we need to be able

00:48:15.260 to have a society

00:48:17.000 that advances

00:48:17.740 the common good.

00:48:18.500 That's the whole point

00:48:19.400 of a state.

00:48:20.240 And in order

00:48:21.040 to advance

00:48:21.520 the common good,

00:48:22.480 you have to punish

00:48:23.700 the bad stuff

00:48:24.420 and you have to promote

00:48:25.200 the good stuff.

00:48:25.760 So that's really

00:48:26.400 what we have to do here,

00:48:27.320 Megan.

00:48:27.820 My take is,

00:48:28.760 I guess this might be called

00:48:29.920 scorched earth

00:48:30.500 by some people.

00:48:31.340 I don't consider it that way.

00:48:32.560 I think it's kind of

00:48:33.180 just moderate,

00:48:33.860 normal statecraft.

00:48:35.160 But the people

00:48:35.840 who threaten

00:48:36.800 the innocent,

00:48:37.840 the people

00:48:38.260 who incite violence,

00:48:39.740 the people

00:48:40.180 who undermine

00:48:41.160 the public square,

00:48:42.180 they need to be punished

00:48:43.000 for it.

00:48:43.680 In some cases

00:48:44.380 by the government

00:48:44.960 when they break the law.

00:48:46.220 In other cases

00:48:46.840 by their corporations.

00:48:47.920 When people were celebrating

00:48:49.400 Charlie Kirk's death,

00:48:50.620 it was absolutely right

00:48:51.900 for these companies

00:48:52.660 to fire them.

00:48:53.840 Major corporations,

00:48:54.900 Microsoft,

00:48:55.640 NASDAQ,

00:48:56.440 many, many others

00:48:57.180 made public statements

00:48:58.600 about this

00:48:59.000 that we've let these

00:48:59.640 people go.

00:49:00.680 They have to be let go.

00:49:01.920 They have to be fired

00:49:02.800 and punished

00:49:03.240 because you cannot

00:49:05.420 expect an employee

00:49:06.340 to walk into

00:49:07.400 their cubicle

00:49:08.240 knowing that the person

00:49:09.240 next to them

00:49:09.800 is actively seeking

00:49:11.060 their death.

00:49:11.960 You can't expect

00:49:12.540 someone to go to a hospital

00:49:13.560 if he thinks

00:49:14.280 half the nurses

00:49:14.840 want to kill them.

00:49:15.580 You can't expect

00:49:16.360 someone to go to a restaurant

00:49:17.180 if we think

00:49:17.600 the waiters

00:49:18.120 are going to poison

00:49:18.660 our food.

00:49:19.640 You must have order

00:49:20.760 in order to sustain

00:49:22.240 and expand

00:49:23.060 liberty and the public square.

00:49:24.860 That's what we have to do.

00:49:25.980 If our enemies

00:49:26.520 want to call that

00:49:27.120 scorched earth,

00:49:27.960 that's their problem.

00:49:29.100 There will be order

00:49:29.880 and there will be liberty

00:49:30.900 and there will be

00:49:31.580 a traditional

00:49:32.180 American way of life.

00:49:33.840 Do you expect

00:49:34.420 any change

00:49:35.320 from the left

00:49:36.380 as a result of all this?

00:49:38.820 I expect a change

00:49:39.760 from the left

00:49:40.320 when we make them change.

00:49:42.040 I certainly expect

00:49:42.820 that people respond

00:49:43.860 to incentives.

00:49:44.620 For years now,

00:49:45.640 we have let criminals

00:49:46.560 off the hook

00:49:47.120 and we have punished

00:49:47.980 innocent people

00:49:48.680 for doing good things.

00:49:50.000 We've imprisoned

00:49:50.580 pro-life grannies.

00:49:52.000 We've targeted

00:49:52.540 Christians for worshipping.

00:49:53.980 That is completely flipped.

00:49:55.420 It creates a very

00:49:55.920 distorted culture.

00:49:57.060 What we need to return to

00:49:57.940 and I trust the administration

00:49:58.680 to do it

00:49:59.360 is to punish

00:50:00.960 the bad guys,

00:50:02.160 to disincentivize

00:50:03.280 the bad behavior,

00:50:04.500 to encourage

00:50:05.180 the good behavior

00:50:05.980 and knowing

00:50:06.900 just a little bit

00:50:07.620 about human nature,

00:50:08.640 I strongly suspect

00:50:09.640 that will lead

00:50:10.260 to the change

00:50:10.820 that we all need to see.

00:50:12.180 In the 40 seconds

00:50:13.440 we have left,

00:50:14.460 how are you feeling

00:50:15.060 about tonight?

00:50:15.760 I mean,

00:50:16.460 it's got to be

00:50:17.980 a little on your mind

00:50:19.320 what happened to Charlie

00:50:20.140 when he was at

00:50:20.800 the last campus appearance.

00:50:22.980 It certainly is.

00:50:24.340 I trust our security team

00:50:26.080 and I know that

00:50:28.120 the TPUSA

00:50:28.940 is going to do

00:50:29.360 a great job

00:50:29.900 with this event

00:50:30.540 and here's what else I know.

00:50:33.240 We cannot back down.

00:50:34.720 It would be

00:50:35.160 the greatest dishonor

00:50:36.080 to Charlie

00:50:36.600 and his legacy

00:50:37.320 and everything he stood for

00:50:38.260 that he ultimately

00:50:38.760 gave his life for

00:50:39.500 if we back down,

00:50:40.780 if we let these people,

00:50:41.860 these enemies

00:50:42.300 of civilization win.

00:50:43.400 So we're not going

00:50:44.400 to do that.

00:50:44.920 We're going to show up

00:50:45.580 and others of Charlie's friends

00:50:47.320 are going to show up

00:50:47.900 for the rest of this tour.

00:50:48.940 They thought that

00:50:49.520 they could shut him up.

00:50:50.380 They thought they could

00:50:50.940 stop his movement.

00:50:51.940 They can't even stop

00:50:52.780 his speaking tour.

00:50:54.020 Guess again.

00:50:55.360 Michael Knowles,

00:50:55.920 good luck tonight.

00:50:56.600 Lots of love to you.

00:50:58.000 Courageous man.

00:50:58.520 Thank you to see you, Megan.

00:50:59.060 We'll be right back.

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00:51:58.180 We absolutely have to keep talking.

00:52:05.300 It's more important now than ever.

00:52:07.280 To cower, to hide,

00:52:09.400 to go silent is not the answer.

00:52:11.920 And all I can tell you

00:52:12.900 is there is no fucking way

00:52:14.920 I am canceling one stop

00:52:16.640 on this tour.

00:52:20.120 Not one stop.

00:52:21.480 I'm going.

00:52:22.460 I'm going to stand on these stages

00:52:24.220 and I'm going to say

00:52:25.680 all the things

00:52:26.440 that we say all the time

00:52:27.600 on this show.

00:52:28.320 We're going to make it safe for me.

00:52:29.280 We're going to make it safe

00:52:29.900 for my team and my guests

00:52:31.340 and you.

00:52:32.180 We're going coast to coast

00:52:34.040 and do something really important,

00:52:36.460 which is say what's true

00:52:37.640 and what's real

00:52:38.360 to honor Him.

00:52:41.040 I really now more than ever

00:52:42.760 would love to see you all

00:52:43.940 face to face.

00:52:44.880 God, I would love to see you

00:52:46.220 face to face.

00:52:47.920 I need to see you face to face.

00:52:50.620 I am doing this tour

00:52:51.940 and I would love for you

00:52:53.420 to join me.

00:52:54.660 MeganKelley.com

00:52:55.420 for the tickets.

00:53:00.220 There's a lot to go over,

00:53:01.500 so I don't have a guest this hour.

00:53:02.880 I just wanted to talk directly

00:53:03.920 to you about a number of issues

00:53:05.160 that are on my mind.

00:53:09.760 This whole thing about

00:53:10.820 like scorched earth

00:53:12.080 versus reaching across the aisle.

00:53:14.920 Maybe Michael's right

00:53:15.960 and there's not really

00:53:16.760 a dichotomy there.

00:53:17.580 But I do kind of feel like,

00:53:19.860 look, there are certain people

00:53:21.260 that I can deal with on the left

00:53:22.520 that I could potentially have

00:53:24.060 on this program

00:53:24.640 and we could have one of those

00:53:26.920 kumbaya conversations

00:53:28.080 as like a resetting of the tone.

00:53:30.540 That's a decision I could make

00:53:31.780 as a host.

00:53:33.440 Or I could continue pointing out

00:53:35.360 the absolute insanity

00:53:36.900 that's happening on the left,

00:53:38.560 exposing them,

00:53:39.800 and doubling down

00:53:40.980 on my resolve to fight them.

00:53:41.960 And I'm in the second category.

00:53:44.080 I gotta be honest,

00:53:44.960 I'm nowhere near the first category.

00:53:46.180 It looks completely wrong to me.

00:53:49.220 It's not to say that

00:53:50.020 I don't still love

00:53:50.980 my Democrat friends that I have.

00:53:52.420 I have dear, dear Democrat friends.

00:53:54.380 Love them and I don't hold

00:53:55.420 them responsible for this

00:53:56.280 and I don't hold the normal left

00:53:57.740 responsible for this.

00:53:58.780 But that vast collection

00:54:00.340 of people on the left

00:54:01.420 who we refer to as leftists,

00:54:03.460 I do have serious issues with.

00:54:05.680 And it's in large part

00:54:07.160 because I do believe

00:54:08.260 that their rhetoric

00:54:10.140 is going to get more people killed.

00:54:12.580 I'm sorry,

00:54:13.240 but I do believe that.

00:54:14.380 Like this was an actual

00:54:15.380 political assassination

00:54:16.300 driven by this guy's ideas

00:54:18.360 about who Charlie was.

00:54:19.860 Where did he get those ideas?

00:54:22.680 It's still possible

00:54:23.780 that he just literally

00:54:24.880 only ever looked

00:54:25.680 at a Charlie Kirk video online

00:54:27.680 and he got his ideas

00:54:28.640 just from listening to Charlie.

00:54:30.280 That's possible.

00:54:31.400 But the overwhelming likelihood

00:54:32.620 is he heard words

00:54:34.800 like the ones he engraved

00:54:36.580 on his bullet casings,

00:54:37.860 like fascist,

00:54:39.140 used repeatedly about Charlie

00:54:40.660 from virtually everyone

00:54:42.620 in the left-wing media.

00:54:44.540 That's where I'd place my bet

00:54:45.700 if I actually had to

00:54:46.540 put my own money on it.

00:54:48.220 And even if that were not the case

00:54:50.060 in this particular shooting,

00:54:51.360 what are we going to do

00:54:52.540 about all the others?

00:54:53.180 I mean, what about Butler?

00:54:54.280 Why haven't we heard

00:54:54.820 more about that shooter?

00:54:56.400 Honestly,

00:54:56.780 why was President Trump

00:54:58.520 shot in the ear?

00:54:59.340 Why did Corey Compitore die?

00:55:00.800 Why don't we know?

00:55:02.320 You're going to tell me

00:55:03.020 that they don't have

00:55:03.500 this guy's emails

00:55:04.260 and a treasure trove.

00:55:05.180 Why aren't we seeing it?

00:55:07.100 Why can't we know

00:55:08.080 in that case

00:55:09.980 what led him

00:55:11.480 to actually pull the trigger?

00:55:12.640 And in the case of Charlie,

00:55:15.000 we know a lot.

00:55:17.160 And yet,

00:55:18.200 we're looking at a media

00:55:19.740 that's willfully blind to it.

00:55:22.600 They refuse.

00:55:23.260 I mean, even now,

00:55:24.520 we're getting the hedges

00:55:26.840 on like,

00:55:27.340 we're not sure

00:55:28.380 about the motive.

00:55:29.080 You got to be really careful.

00:55:30.160 We know.

00:55:31.560 And it's one of the reasons

00:55:32.920 why I can't deal

00:55:35.000 with these people.

00:55:35.800 If they're going to run around

00:55:37.140 saying,

00:55:37.980 we don't know

00:55:39.320 why Charlie was killed,

00:55:40.360 and then immediately

00:55:42.260 equivocating

00:55:43.560 on right-wing

00:55:44.820 versus left-wing violence,

00:55:46.040 like it's a both-sides thing.

00:55:47.420 No.

00:55:48.360 I can't deal with you.

00:55:49.980 You're not proceeding

00:55:51.160 in good faith.

00:55:53.100 I cannot work with you.

00:55:54.880 You do not deserve

00:55:56.220 the benefit

00:55:56.760 of my good doubt.

00:55:58.980 No.

00:55:59.540 So that's where I am.

00:56:02.620 Like,

00:56:02.780 I cannot deal with,

00:56:05.360 in particular,

00:56:06.220 leftist media.

00:56:07.580 And I've got to be honest.

00:56:09.620 I don't blame them

00:56:11.060 in that, like,

00:56:12.280 you know,

00:56:12.560 they pulled the trigger.

00:56:14.500 But I do think

00:56:15.620 they created

00:56:16.220 an environment

00:56:18.000 of hate

00:56:18.920 around Charlie,

00:56:21.180 just like they did

00:56:22.320 around Donald Trump.

00:56:24.080 Yes, you did.

00:56:25.400 You know you did.

00:56:26.620 And not just

00:56:28.980 specifically around them

00:56:29.980 with the name-calling

00:56:31.020 and just talking

00:56:32.280 about how divisive

00:56:33.240 they are

00:56:33.760 and fascists

00:56:34.640 and Nazis

00:56:35.360 and all of that.

00:56:37.140 Not just that.

00:56:38.860 But the way

00:56:39.860 you talk about

00:56:40.800 the issues,

00:56:42.120 for example,

00:56:42.660 the ones that were

00:56:43.160 important to Charlie

00:56:43.880 in the culture war,

00:56:45.540 also stirs up

00:56:47.100 hatred.

00:56:48.920 Why can't you

00:56:49.860 just be honest

00:56:50.900 that it is impossible

00:56:52.220 for a man

00:56:53.040 to become a woman?

00:56:54.220 Why can't you

00:56:55.020 just say that?

00:56:55.820 It is a scientific fact.

00:56:58.800 You know it.

00:57:00.220 You're just too

00:57:00.840 chicken shit

00:57:01.640 to say it.

00:57:03.420 You're,

00:57:03.660 you're,

00:57:04.320 at best,

00:57:06.340 you're all

00:57:07.000 Malcolm Gladwells

00:57:08.240 who know the truth

00:57:09.680 but willingly lie.

00:57:10.900 None of you

00:57:11.360 believes that

00:57:12.240 you can change

00:57:13.400 your biological sex.

00:57:15.440 And gender

00:57:16.060 is an obvious lie.

00:57:18.600 Gender's a lie.

00:57:19.600 There's only

00:57:20.200 biological sex.

00:57:21.940 Two sexes,

00:57:22.980 male and female,

00:57:24.220 period.

00:57:26.020 The fact that you

00:57:27.400 not only will not

00:57:28.600 say that

00:57:29.160 but call everybody

00:57:30.320 who does say that

00:57:31.280 a bigot

00:57:32.040 and try to ostracize them

00:57:34.320 is hashtag

00:57:36.260 part of the problem.

00:57:37.980 That's how you

00:57:38.500 otherize

00:57:39.220 people like Charlie.

00:57:40.940 That's how you get

00:57:41.520 into the head

00:57:42.080 of these psychopaths

00:57:43.480 with,

00:57:44.600 he's a terrible man.

00:57:45.780 He's full of hate.

00:57:46.860 Some hate can't be

00:57:47.700 negotiated out.

00:57:48.720 That's what the shooter

00:57:49.380 wrote in this note

00:57:51.020 to his boyfriend,

00:57:53.520 the trans furry.

00:57:54.300 This is totally normal.

00:57:55.740 We're not supposed

00:57:56.140 to condemn any of that.

00:57:57.880 We're literally

00:57:58.380 supposed to look at

00:57:59.220 like middle school,

00:58:00.580 high school,

00:58:01.000 college kids

00:58:01.960 declaring themselves

00:58:03.260 furries,

00:58:04.280 which is a sexual fetish

00:58:05.860 and say it's fine.

00:58:06.740 It's totally cool.

00:58:07.620 Wear those outfits

00:58:08.440 to school.

00:58:09.180 No problem.

00:58:10.220 I'd love to participate

00:58:11.260 in your sexual fetish.

00:58:12.160 Sure, get off with me

00:58:13.080 sitting right across from you.

00:58:14.220 No problems

00:58:14.740 with that whatsoever.

00:58:15.980 I mean, it's like...

00:58:17.300 Okay, so they won't

00:58:20.940 tell the truth.

00:58:21.780 They won't tell the truth

00:58:22.600 about the trans issue.

00:58:24.540 They will not tell the truth

00:58:25.560 about the race issue.

00:58:27.260 Another thing Charlie

00:58:28.080 was very honest about

00:58:29.020 and which is being used

00:58:29.980 against him now

00:58:30.580 to say that he was

00:58:31.260 a racist.

00:58:32.920 We'll get to Van Jones

00:58:33.940 in a minute.

00:58:35.260 So I look at the media

00:58:36.460 and I have...

00:58:37.300 I have no quarter for them.

00:58:39.860 I do think they're

00:58:41.120 very much part of the problem.

00:58:43.120 And it's why

00:58:44.520 on the Jimmy Kimmel thing,

00:58:46.180 I have no tears to shed

00:58:48.200 for him,

00:58:49.320 even if the FCC

00:58:50.040 were involved.

00:58:51.760 Which again,

00:58:52.240 they made a threat.

00:58:53.060 They didn't actually

00:58:53.820 get involved.

00:58:54.360 They didn't actually

00:58:54.920 pull somebody's license

00:58:55.740 or send a letter saying,

00:58:58.300 give me all the justifications

00:59:00.120 or I'm going to pull

00:59:01.140 your license under

00:59:01.840 the following couple

00:59:03.100 of provisions.

00:59:03.640 And believe me,

00:59:04.020 I spent the weekend

00:59:04.540 looking up what authority,

00:59:06.640 if any, the FCC has

00:59:08.260 if it wanted to actually

00:59:10.440 pull the license of ABC.

00:59:12.960 And we'll get to that

00:59:13.620 a little later this week.

00:59:14.500 But it's why I can't

00:59:17.180 work up any tears

00:59:18.140 over what's happening to him

00:59:19.600 because the media,

00:59:21.460 they control everything.

00:59:23.140 They control all the messaging,

00:59:24.440 all the messaging.

00:59:25.400 What would life have been like?

00:59:26.640 Would Charlie have lived?

00:59:28.040 Would Trump not have gotten shot

00:59:29.400 if we didn't have a media

00:59:30.640 that was constantly telling us

00:59:32.260 that they both are fascists,

00:59:33.500 that they both are Nazis,

00:59:35.060 how divisive they both are?

00:59:37.240 If we didn't have a media

00:59:38.140 that cheered the four indictments

00:59:39.400 and pretended they were real

00:59:40.500 and that Trump had really

00:59:41.420 obviously committed

00:59:42.140 a bunch of crimes

00:59:42.940 that didn't actually

00:59:44.180 try to convince us

00:59:44.900 he raped some woman

00:59:45.680 who couldn't even remember

00:59:46.540 the alleged year

00:59:47.240 in which she was raped,

00:59:48.860 like, would we?

00:59:51.060 It's amazing to watch

00:59:52.020 all these people,

00:59:53.020 especially not for nothing,

00:59:54.320 young black men

00:59:55.080 all over my ex feed,

00:59:57.220 post videos talking about

00:59:58.600 how they've watched

01:00:00.720 endless Charlie Kirk clips

01:00:02.180 and they are now

01:00:03.480 declaring themselves

01:00:04.520 conservative and Republican.

01:00:06.460 They've seen the truth.

01:00:08.160 They're sick of the lying media

01:00:09.540 and they've watched

01:00:11.320 clip after clip

01:00:11.960 and if you watch

01:00:12.400 clip after clip of Charlie,

01:00:13.540 you do get to know him.

01:00:14.840 Some have pointed out

01:00:15.540 he was slightly more caustic

01:00:16.700 on his radio show.

01:00:17.440 I agree with that.

01:00:17.980 That's fine.

01:00:19.360 He was more pointed

01:00:20.180 on his radio show

01:00:20.920 when he was just opining

01:00:22.000 about issues of the day.

01:00:23.220 But face to face

01:00:24.100 with people who disagreed with him,

01:00:26.060 he could not have been

01:00:26.660 more respectful.

01:00:28.000 Are you that way?

01:00:29.760 If you have a disagreement

01:00:30.600 with the other side

01:00:31.420 and you're actually dealing

01:00:32.340 with them face to face,

01:00:33.760 yeah, you might be conjured.

01:00:35.080 You might, like on a radio show,

01:00:36.400 you might have said something

01:00:37.060 a little bit more caustic.

01:00:37.960 Does that make you a bad person?

01:00:40.000 No.

01:00:40.580 You should be judged

01:00:41.200 by how you treat the people

01:00:42.320 when you're with them

01:00:43.080 and Charlie treated leftists

01:00:44.700 who hated his guts

01:00:45.580 with respect

01:00:46.480 and young men in particular

01:00:48.020 but also some women

01:00:48.840 are seeing it.

01:00:50.540 Leftists who are now

01:00:51.400 declaring themselves

01:00:52.160 conservative

01:00:52.680 and on the right.

01:00:54.680 I saw a graphic,

01:00:55.660 it was like a cartoon

01:00:56.360 on X yesterday

01:00:57.720 and it showed

01:00:58.260 like a fork in the road

01:00:59.320 and one path leading

01:01:00.180 to the right

01:01:00.560 and one path leading

01:01:01.420 to the left

01:01:01.940 and on the left

01:01:04.480 there was one body

01:01:05.560 and over on the right,

01:01:06.900 it's like a little cartoon

01:01:07.560 and over on the right

01:01:08.140 it was all filled

01:01:09.600 with bodies,

01:01:10.520 people walking

01:01:11.040 and it was basically

01:01:13.100 saying the country

01:01:13.880 after Charlie Kirk's

01:01:15.040 assassination

01:01:15.440 and I think

01:01:16.980 that's exactly right.

01:01:17.720 People are looking

01:01:18.500 not only at the fact

01:01:20.100 that he got killed

01:01:22.660 by an obvious leftist,

01:01:24.920 by the way,

01:01:25.540 so says his own mom,

01:01:26.560 but the leftist reaction

01:01:29.300 to it,

01:01:30.220 the refusal to condemn it,

01:01:31.520 to be honest about it,

01:01:33.400 it's the worst case

01:01:36.440 of gaslighting

01:01:37.660 we've seen in years

01:01:39.620 and that's saying something

01:01:40.680 because we've been gaslit.

01:01:42.020 I mean,

01:01:42.460 COVID was a massive gaslighting

01:01:44.440 on many issues.

01:01:45.960 That's just one

01:01:46.800 off the top of my head.

01:01:48.600 So,

01:01:49.880 that's why the media

01:01:51.920 is squarely within

01:01:52.620 my own crosshairs here

01:01:53.800 and hey,

01:01:54.720 New York Times

01:01:55.120 are paying attention.

01:01:55.900 I don't mean gun sites.

01:01:57.580 They tried to suggest

01:01:58.920 Sarah Palin

01:01:59.460 was responsible

01:02:00.420 for Gabby Gifford's shooting

01:02:01.700 because she used

01:02:02.220 the term crosshairs.

01:02:04.340 I mean my focus

01:02:06.320 because you are

01:02:07.980 absolutely part of the problem

01:02:09.500 and you're a big part

01:02:10.560 of the problem.

01:02:11.220 It's not trivial.

01:02:14.580 So,

01:02:15.140 what's happened

01:02:15.720 over the past couple of days

01:02:16.900 is the media

01:02:17.440 has decided to make this

01:02:18.560 all about them

01:02:19.320 because that's what they do.

01:02:21.580 I got a couple of examples.

01:02:23.800 I'll go through them.

01:02:24.820 I want to start with

01:02:25.360 CNN's Ashley Allison.

01:02:27.540 She's always out there

01:02:28.480 saying inane things.

01:02:30.000 Truly.

01:02:30.440 She's constantly saying

01:02:31.420 really stupid things.

01:02:32.900 I don't know why CNN

01:02:33.540 employs her.

01:02:34.800 Well, actually,

01:02:35.280 I think I do.

01:02:35.980 Here she is.

01:02:36.580 It's not 20.

01:02:38.080 Things that Charlie Kirk

01:02:39.260 said drastically offended me.

01:02:42.080 I have yet to have

01:02:43.220 actually one person

01:02:44.000 ask me why

01:02:44.820 if they agreed

01:02:46.420 with those things.

01:02:47.260 It is very clear

01:02:48.220 that Charlie Kirk

01:02:49.000 should not have been murdered.

01:02:50.660 But why not have

01:02:51.640 a conversation with me

01:02:52.580 and say,

01:02:53.020 why did that upset you?

01:02:54.640 And take the moment

01:02:55.780 to listen

01:02:56.620 and not have a comeback.

01:02:58.640 And then,

01:02:59.440 I should ask the question

01:03:00.720 about why did you

01:03:01.820 really like

01:03:02.460 the things

01:03:02.980 that Charlie Kirk said.

01:03:05.800 No one's asked

01:03:07.140 about me.

01:03:09.000 Me.

01:03:09.640 Hold on.

01:03:11.480 Me.

01:03:13.120 Yeah.

01:03:14.040 That's her.

01:03:15.040 What about me?

01:03:16.600 Why aren't you

01:03:17.200 asking about me

01:03:18.060 to figure out my...

01:03:18.820 Because no one

01:03:19.640 gives a shit?

01:03:20.160 That's why.

01:03:21.540 That's why.

01:03:22.380 I've quoted this woman

01:03:23.580 a couple times now.

01:03:24.440 I love her.

01:03:25.060 We got to get a button

01:03:25.700 for this lady.

01:03:26.580 She's all over X.

01:03:27.440 Maybe you've seen her.

01:03:28.620 She's this fabulous

01:03:29.660 black woman

01:03:31.020 somewhere in her

01:03:32.280 mid-50s

01:03:33.120 because she's like...

01:03:34.120 She always described

01:03:34.880 herself as menopausal.

01:03:36.760 And she started

01:03:37.700 the We Do Not Care Club.

01:03:39.440 She's got a highlighter

01:03:40.420 in her hair.

01:03:41.260 She's got a notebook

01:03:42.020 that's like...

01:03:42.620 She's constantly

01:03:43.220 flipping pages in

01:03:44.180 and like

01:03:44.920 doing her highlighting on it.

01:03:47.220 She goes to the

01:03:47.800 We Do Not Care Club.

01:03:48.900 And she says

01:03:51.300 we do not care

01:03:52.980 that you're cold.

01:03:57.140 We're sweating

01:03:57.940 and you're going

01:03:59.040 to have to suffer.

01:03:59.580 Whatever it is.

01:04:00.100 We do not care

01:04:00.740 that the laundry

01:04:01.400 is sitting on the couch

01:04:02.180 unfolded.

01:04:03.060 Too bad.

01:04:03.860 Deal with it.

01:04:04.340 We have other things to do.

01:04:05.280 She's hilarious.

01:04:06.780 And I have news

01:04:07.700 for Ashley.

01:04:09.080 We do not care.

01:04:09.880 That is why

01:04:10.200 we're not asking you

01:04:11.060 why you didn't like Charlie,

01:04:15.300 how you've been affected

01:04:16.760 by Charlie's assassination.

01:04:20.140 Things that Charlie Kirk

01:04:20.980 said drastically offended me.

01:04:22.700 I have yet to have

01:04:23.740 actually one person

01:04:24.740 ask me why.

01:04:26.380 We do not care.

01:04:27.820 Okay?

01:04:29.900 Then there's Karen Atiyah.

01:04:31.580 We talked about her

01:04:32.580 a week ago.

01:04:34.280 She wrote for

01:04:34.800 the Washington Post.

01:04:36.280 She was a columnist there.

01:04:37.620 And for the New York Times

01:04:38.600 before that,

01:04:39.460 she is the one who

01:04:40.220 like literally

01:04:41.440 either on 10-7

01:04:42.960 or on 10-8

01:04:43.640 tweeted out,

01:04:45.380 retweeted or liked,

01:04:46.340 liked a tweet

01:04:47.320 that read,

01:04:47.940 this is what

01:04:48.420 decolonization looks like.

01:04:51.040 We had 1,200

01:04:51.960 dead Israelis.

01:04:53.120 We had elderly people dead.

01:04:54.700 We had babies

01:04:55.160 and children dead

01:04:55.900 and taken hostage.

01:04:57.800 We had young women

01:04:58.560 raped and taken hostage.

01:04:59.980 And she said,

01:05:01.200 I like that tweet.

01:05:03.080 This is what

01:05:03.600 decolonization looks like.

01:05:04.960 And the Washington Post

01:05:06.400 kept employing her.

01:05:10.080 It's the left.

01:05:11.100 It's her side

01:05:12.040 that constantly uses

01:05:13.620 that term

01:05:14.160 dehumanize.

01:05:16.600 Dehumanization?

01:05:17.180 You've dehumanized me.

01:05:19.640 I like...

01:05:21.360 Do you remember

01:05:22.720 that one time

01:05:23.400 back on Fox

01:05:24.080 when I said

01:05:24.620 Santa's white?

01:05:26.020 I actually had

01:05:26.800 some young black woman

01:05:27.680 come up to me

01:05:28.100 and say,

01:05:28.640 I felt dehumanized.

01:05:30.000 Madam,

01:05:30.500 that's your problem,

01:05:31.100 not mine.

01:05:32.060 If you can let

01:05:32.720 some random comment

01:05:33.620 about Santa

01:05:34.140 by a Fox News anchor

01:05:35.380 make you feel

01:05:36.140 less than human,

01:05:36.900 that's a you problem.

01:05:38.920 And honestly,

01:05:40.240 like that side

01:05:41.400 that's so worried

01:05:41.960 about dehumanization

01:05:43.000 had no problem

01:05:43.680 with Karen Atiyah,

01:05:44.780 the Washington Post

01:05:45.500 columnist,

01:05:46.060 looking at dead babies

01:05:47.380 and saying,

01:05:47.960 this is what

01:05:48.560 decolonization looks like.

01:05:49.760 Yeah, right on.

01:05:50.360 They did not fire her.

01:05:51.460 She kept her job.

01:05:52.940 But she lost it

01:05:53.900 in the wake

01:05:54.320 of Charlie's assassination

01:05:56.360 because she got,

01:05:58.300 excuse me,

01:05:59.000 she got out there

01:05:59.700 and she tweeted

01:06:01.460 a couple things.

01:06:03.340 Posted on Blue Sky.

01:06:04.300 What am I saying?

01:06:04.820 She wouldn't tweet

01:06:05.480 anything.

01:06:06.300 Excuse me,

01:06:06.840 because she's not

01:06:07.220 on X anymore.

01:06:08.420 Here's what she said.

01:06:09.820 Refusing to tear my clothes

01:06:11.200 and smear ashes

01:06:12.200 in my face,

01:06:13.480 on my face,

01:06:14.440 in performative mourning

01:06:15.600 for a white man

01:06:16.640 that espoused violence

01:06:17.840 is not the same

01:06:19.340 as violence.

01:06:21.080 And then she tweeted,

01:06:21.880 part of what keeps

01:06:22.500 America so violent

01:06:23.680 is the insistence

01:06:25.120 that people perform

01:06:26.040 care,

01:06:27.220 empty goodness,

01:06:28.380 and absolution

01:06:29.200 for white men

01:06:30.160 who espouse

01:06:30.780 hatred and violence.

01:06:32.600 She's pissed

01:06:33.360 because she felt

01:06:34.740 like people were insisting

01:06:35.880 that she act

01:06:36.940 like she cared

01:06:37.660 about a white man

01:06:39.520 who espoused

01:06:40.500 hatred and violence

01:06:41.460 who got murdered

01:06:43.180 on camera

01:06:44.220 in front of her eyes.

01:06:45.940 There is a level

01:06:46.620 of inhumanity

01:06:47.280 in this person

01:06:47.800 that should be

01:06:48.220 totally intolerable

01:06:49.040 for any employer,

01:06:50.120 not just the Washington Post.

01:06:51.860 Who the hell

01:06:52.260 would want to say,

01:06:52.740 if you're a white man

01:06:53.620 at the Washington Post,

01:06:55.080 and by the way,

01:06:55.580 it's owned by a white man,

01:06:56.880 why would you sit

01:06:57.400 next to that?

01:06:58.380 She's a lunatic.

01:06:59.900 No one should employ her.

01:07:00.980 Who would?

01:07:01.500 Why would you?

01:07:03.060 Like maybe the UN

01:07:05.340 will hire Karen Atiyah.

01:07:07.420 That seems like a good place

01:07:08.500 for her to land.

01:07:09.400 But this is insane,

01:07:11.100 this person.

01:07:12.040 So she goes on

01:07:13.020 with Jim Acosta

01:07:14.000 and gives an interview

01:07:16.020 and listen to what's on

01:07:17.800 her mind

01:07:18.460 about the whole thing.

01:07:19.540 Stop 21.

01:07:21.200 And I just wonder

01:07:22.500 if you could lay out

01:07:24.140 your thoughts

01:07:24.640 on where you are

01:07:25.520 right now

01:07:26.080 and maybe explain

01:07:27.620 a little bit

01:07:27.960 what happened

01:07:28.940 because you were pushed out

01:07:29.940 essentially for what you said

01:07:31.120 about Charlie Kirk.

01:07:34.240 Yeah.

01:07:35.020 And thank you so much.

01:07:36.440 You actually,

01:07:37.260 I think you were actually

01:07:38.440 the first one

01:07:40.080 to reach out.

01:07:41.140 It's,

01:07:41.440 it actually,

01:07:44.100 I'm still processing,

01:07:45.700 but it's actually been,

01:07:47.420 I have not been able

01:07:49.160 to land a one-on-one

01:07:51.460 on a major network.

01:07:53.680 No.

01:07:54.840 Oh my God.

01:07:55.960 I've,

01:07:56.880 you're the first

01:07:57.760 sub-stock one.

01:07:59.100 I went on

01:08:00.300 with Don Lemon.

01:08:01.380 You guys have been

01:08:02.160 the only ones

01:08:03.080 seemingly brave enough

01:08:04.920 to have me on.

01:08:08.180 So I,

01:08:08.420 I also just want to say

01:08:09.880 thank you.

01:08:11.140 You don't,

01:08:11.480 you have no idea

01:08:12.060 how much this means to me.

01:08:13.240 And like,

01:08:14.780 I think it's just

01:08:15.460 sadly a sign

01:08:16.580 of the times

01:08:17.480 for mainstream media,

01:08:19.480 not just in this moment

01:08:20.720 and the culture of fear,

01:08:22.340 I think,

01:08:22.940 but also

01:08:23.600 where,

01:08:25.060 where the truth tellers

01:08:27.140 are finding themselves

01:08:28.120 having to go.

01:08:32.580 Okay.

01:08:33.080 My head is hurting.

01:08:34.440 He's the only one

01:08:35.280 brave enough to,

01:08:35.960 but I have,

01:08:36.940 I have the answer

01:08:37.640 that you're looking for,

01:08:38.420 Karen.

01:08:38.680 The reason no one

01:08:39.700 has asked you

01:08:40.540 for an interview

01:08:41.060 is because really

01:08:42.640 no one gives a shit

01:08:43.260 about your story.

01:08:44.440 Literally,

01:08:44.880 the only reason

01:08:45.680 I raised your story

01:08:46.680 is because I outed you

01:08:48.440 for liking that tweet

01:08:49.680 right after 10-7.

01:08:50.960 So you've become

01:08:51.680 a bit of a storyline

01:08:52.480 on this show

01:08:53.180 for your inhumanity.

01:08:55.940 And this is just

01:08:56.760 more proof of it.

01:08:57.420 That's why you're here.

01:08:58.400 The reason only

01:08:59.420 Jim Acosta

01:09:00.140 and Don Lemon

01:09:01.140 will talk to you

01:09:02.100 is because

01:09:02.980 you're a nobody.

01:09:04.720 No one knows

01:09:05.340 who you are.

01:09:06.240 You behaved

01:09:07.000 like a terrible person

01:09:08.020 and finally

01:09:09.060 it caught up with you

01:09:09.820 and we're thrilled.

01:09:10.880 It's justice.

01:09:12.440 And even

01:09:12.860 your mainstream

01:09:13.520 media colleagues

01:09:14.440 have absolutely

01:09:15.760 no time

01:09:16.300 for your terrible behavior.

01:09:18.120 That's how

01:09:19.120 irrelevant

01:09:19.840 you've rendered

01:09:20.640 yourself.

01:09:21.760 So congrats.

01:09:22.820 Good luck in obscurity.

01:09:24.400 Hope you enjoy

01:09:25.000 Substack.

01:09:26.460 That's Karen Atiyah.

01:09:28.160 Not done.

01:09:29.940 Here is

01:09:31.000 Matthew Dowd.

01:09:33.360 All right.

01:09:33.740 He and I had

01:09:34.520 some skirmish

01:09:35.440 a long time ago.

01:09:36.380 He's just

01:09:36.660 he's been

01:09:37.620 he's one of those guys

01:09:39.140 who like really

01:09:39.580 fancies himself

01:09:40.240 a Christian

01:09:40.820 and also calls

01:09:41.640 himself a feminist

01:09:42.380 but is constantly

01:09:43.320 attacking women

01:09:44.140 if they're on the right

01:09:45.260 and actually conservatives

01:09:46.740 like is that feminism?

01:09:47.780 I don't know what that is.

01:09:48.500 Um

01:09:49.400 and he

01:09:51.680 he's dating

01:09:52.560 Maria Shriver

01:09:53.260 that's his girlfriend.

01:09:54.420 Okay.

01:09:55.220 I guess that

01:09:55.920 he thinks that

01:09:56.440 makes him something special

01:09:57.480 because

01:09:58.420 he was on

01:09:59.740 um

01:10:01.080 on MSNBC

01:10:02.280 right after

01:10:04.600 Charlie got killed.

01:10:05.700 It

01:10:05.780 it was literally

01:10:06.760 moments

01:10:07.380 after we found out

01:10:08.980 that Charlie was

01:10:09.740 shot

01:10:10.300 on September 10th

01:10:13.180 and here is what

01:10:14.720 he said

01:10:15.720 it was

01:10:16.660 SOT 25.

01:10:18.400 I emphasize

01:10:19.120 what you just emphasized

01:10:19.900 we don't know

01:10:20.480 any of the

01:10:20.880 full details of this

01:10:22.240 that we don't know

01:10:22.840 if this was

01:10:23.280 the supporter

01:10:23.860 shooting their gun off

01:10:24.940 in celebration

01:10:26.020 or so we have

01:10:26.840 no idea about this

01:10:27.900 but following up

01:10:28.980 what was just said

01:10:30.100 he's been one

01:10:30.900 of the most divisive

01:10:32.000 especially divisive

01:10:33.280 younger figures

01:10:34.100 in this

01:10:34.840 who is constantly

01:10:36.280 sort of pushing

01:10:37.120 this sort of

01:10:38.520 hate speech

01:10:39.520 or sort of

01:10:40.200 aimed at certain groups

01:10:41.340 and I always go back

01:10:42.680 to

01:10:43.020 hateful thoughts

01:10:44.760 lead to

01:10:45.840 hateful words

01:10:47.260 which then lead

01:10:48.280 to hateful actions

01:10:49.700 and I think

01:10:50.720 that's the environment

01:10:51.700 we're in

01:10:52.180 that people just

01:10:53.480 you can't stop

01:10:54.380 with these sort of

01:10:55.160 awful thoughts

01:10:56.300 you have

01:10:56.680 and then saying

01:10:57.440 these awful words

01:10:58.240 and not expect

01:10:59.200 awful actions

01:11:00.100 to take place

01:11:00.920 and that's the

01:11:01.940 unfortunate environment

01:11:02.900 we're in.

01:11:05.140 That is so infuriating

01:11:06.580 as Charlie

01:11:07.460 as far as he knew

01:11:09.740 is lying there

01:11:11.180 struggling for his life

01:11:12.040 with an assassin's

01:11:12.920 bullet in his neck

01:11:13.580 the news that he had

01:11:14.640 died had not yet hit

01:11:15.460 that's where he went

01:11:16.580 brought it on himself

01:11:18.060 hateful words

01:11:19.500 lead to hateful actions

01:11:20.480 now let me ask you

01:11:21.420 something

01:11:21.660 in his case

01:11:22.760 Matthew Dowd's case

01:11:23.740 and by the way

01:11:24.600 in the case of NPR

01:11:25.400 which just this morning

01:11:26.160 as you know

01:11:26.580 I listen to these podcasts

01:11:27.380 so you don't have to

01:11:28.080 their news morning program

01:11:29.920 just this morning

01:11:31.640 in talking about

01:11:32.580 the Charlie eulogy

01:11:33.280 he was a divisive figure

01:11:35.100 I quote

01:11:36.040 a divisive figure

01:11:37.540 Charlie

01:11:38.100 now do you think

01:11:39.020 if God forbid

01:11:39.740 Rachel Maddow

01:11:40.700 had something terrible

01:11:41.440 happen to her

01:11:42.040 and NPR was talking

01:11:43.300 about a service

01:11:44.060 in her honor

01:11:44.600 they would refer

01:11:45.380 to her as divisive

01:11:46.260 you think that would

01:11:47.360 be the word

01:11:48.140 that they use

01:11:48.760 to describe her

01:11:49.580 or anyone on the left

01:11:51.240 Jen Psaki

01:11:52.980 Joy Reid

01:11:54.320 Joe Scarborough

01:11:55.600 any of

01:11:56.240 do you think

01:11:56.960 that they would say

01:11:58.260 this is a divisive person

01:11:59.520 in what's essentially

01:12:00.660 the obit

01:12:01.280 following their memorial

01:12:02.700 they only do that

01:12:05.200 to people on the right

01:12:06.640 how is he divisive

01:12:08.300 because he had views

01:12:09.480 different from what

01:12:10.640 the NPR people have

01:12:12.020 views different

01:12:13.120 from what Matthew

01:12:13.880 Dowd on MSNBC had

01:12:15.320 that doesn't make

01:12:16.320 him divisive

01:12:17.460 maybe it's your

01:12:18.680 insanity

01:12:19.460 on the left

01:12:20.920 that has made us

01:12:22.240 have to call you out

01:12:23.400 in very frank

01:12:24.680 honest

01:12:25.660 and possibly

01:12:26.820 unpleasant for you

01:12:27.880 terms

01:12:28.400 that you now

01:12:30.000 have to call us

01:12:30.640 divisive

01:12:31.160 that like

01:12:33.000 what

01:12:33.680 what's so divisive

01:12:35.080 about what Charlie

01:12:36.020 was saying about

01:12:36.660 gender was true

01:12:37.480 what he was saying

01:12:38.000 about race

01:12:38.520 was stop dividing

01:12:39.400 us by it

01:12:40.040 this is a fake

01:12:41.200 social construct

01:12:42.180 you're the divisive

01:12:43.620 ones

01:12:43.940 who are making

01:12:44.680 whites take

01:12:45.300 endless implicit

01:12:46.180 bias training

01:12:47.060 and telling white

01:12:48.100 boys they're born

01:12:48.800 with original sin

01:12:49.540 and telling black

01:12:50.240 boys that they're

01:12:51.220 less than

01:12:51.680 and society

01:12:52.160 doesn't love them

01:12:52.900 or value them

01:12:53.500 the same as they

01:12:54.020 do whites

01:12:54.520 you're the divisive

01:12:55.500 ones

01:12:55.820 stop saying that

01:12:57.060 so Matthew

01:12:58.700 Dowd takes

01:12:59.640 Charlie's alleged

01:13:00.400 divisiveness

01:13:00.980 to the point of

01:13:02.280 the hateful words

01:13:03.480 you know where

01:13:04.980 those are going to

01:13:05.400 lead

01:13:05.620 and appropriately

01:13:08.420 he gets fired

01:13:09.080 by even MSNBC

01:13:10.800 not because they

01:13:11.420 were really offended

01:13:11.960 by what he said

01:13:12.580 but because

01:13:12.960 by even their

01:13:13.860 standards they

01:13:14.360 realized things

01:13:14.840 had gotten too

01:13:15.320 hot

01:13:15.560 they had to

01:13:16.900 look like they

01:13:17.360 were upset

01:13:17.760 so they

01:13:18.280 let him go

01:13:19.400 so where does

01:13:20.800 he go

01:13:21.180 Karen Atiyah

01:13:22.920 has to go to

01:13:23.420 Don Lamont

01:13:24.220 and Jim Acosta

01:13:25.980 I mean you know

01:13:26.600 you're at the

01:13:27.000 bottom

01:13:27.240 and Matthew Dowd

01:13:30.260 goes on with

01:13:30.840 Katie Couric

01:13:31.640 here's what

01:13:33.040 happened

01:13:33.340 watch

01:13:33.820 now if you

01:13:35.700 watch any of

01:13:36.320 their shows

01:13:37.100 in the last

01:13:37.900 24 hours

01:13:38.780 all the shows

01:13:40.180 are talking

01:13:40.700 about how

01:13:41.240 like this

01:13:41.740 is awful

01:13:42.140 for America

01:13:42.720 that Jimmy

01:13:43.180 Kimmel was

01:13:43.860 you know

01:13:44.540 indefinitely

01:13:45.080 suspended

01:13:45.680 and isn't

01:13:46.260 this awful

01:13:46.720 for America

01:13:47.220 and it's

01:13:47.540 a chilling

01:13:47.900 thing for

01:13:48.300 the First

01:13:48.620 Amendment

01:13:48.940 and all

01:13:50.200 they're saying

01:13:50.660 that on

01:13:50.940 every platform

01:13:51.560 not one

01:13:52.420 person has

01:13:52.980 said

01:13:53.320 anything

01:13:54.180 about me

01:13:54.780 not one

01:13:55.840 person on

01:13:56.560 that network

01:13:57.140 has said

01:13:57.600 they've all

01:13:58.160 gone out of

01:13:58.600 the way

01:13:58.820 to say

01:13:59.100 isn't this

01:13:59.480 horrible

01:13:59.760 what happened

01:14:00.200 to Jimmy

01:14:00.520 Kimmel

01:14:00.820 isn't even

01:14:01.540 including

01:14:02.000 Morning Joe

01:14:02.940 and Mika

01:14:03.340 who went

01:14:03.820 after me

01:14:04.380 after the

01:14:05.340 show

01:14:05.540 basically saying

01:14:06.260 they were glad

01:14:06.960 I was terminated

01:14:07.680 and now today

01:14:08.700 they're talking

01:14:09.240 about how awful

01:14:09.980 it is for our

01:14:10.580 country

01:14:10.880 that somebody

01:14:11.660 like Jimmy

01:14:12.140 Kimmel

01:14:12.500 can't say

01:14:13.380 what he said

01:14:14.020 and he is

01:14:14.720 indefinitely

01:14:15.260 suspended

01:14:15.880 and not an

01:14:16.920 iota

01:14:18.160 about what

01:14:19.400 their employer

01:14:21.140 just did

01:14:22.160 to another

01:14:22.620 employee

01:14:23.140 did you hear

01:14:24.380 from any

01:14:24.880 of the anchors

01:14:25.640 or correspondents

01:14:26.820 some of them

01:14:27.580 yeah

01:14:28.080 I mean

01:14:28.440 all of them

01:14:29.560 all the ones

01:14:30.140 that I heard

01:14:30.560 from were like

01:14:31.260 I'm so sorry

01:14:31.900 I'm so sorry

01:14:32.600 I'm so sorry

01:14:33.160 this is awful

01:14:33.880 I can't believe

01:14:34.540 this has happened

01:14:35.240 I can't believe

01:14:35.920 this has happened

01:14:36.520 this is horrible

01:14:37.240 this is horrible

01:14:38.200 it doesn't say

01:14:38.840 it doesn't say

01:14:39.660 good things

01:14:40.080 about our company

01:14:40.740 once again

01:14:42.660 here's Matthew

01:14:43.800 Dowd

01:14:44.360 me

01:14:45.840 what about

01:14:48.600 me

01:14:49.540 why isn't

01:14:50.080 anyone asking

01:14:50.560 about me

01:14:51.580 poor me

01:14:53.020 and he's

01:14:53.820 two steps away

01:14:54.640 from saying

01:14:55.020 how come

01:14:55.340 I'm not getting

01:14:55.900 invitations to go

01:14:56.740 on Good Morning America

01:14:57.520 to talk about

01:14:58.120 how Charlie

01:14:58.560 brought it on himself

01:14:59.320 it's crazy

01:15:00.620 he really

01:15:01.620 he's so sad

01:15:02.480 he's jealous

01:15:03.120 of Jimmy Kimmel

01:15:03.880 he's like

01:15:05.000 why are people

01:15:05.480 talking about

01:15:05.940 Jimmy Kimmel

01:15:06.400 I was the OG

01:15:07.520 person fired

01:15:08.280 for insensitive

01:15:09.100 Charlie Kirk

01:15:09.720 remarks

01:15:10.420 I should be able

01:15:11.400 to say

01:15:11.620 whatever I want

01:15:12.360 no matter

01:15:12.600 how insensitive

01:15:13.320 no matter

01:15:13.640 how politically

01:15:14.240 charged

01:15:14.600 the atmosphere

01:15:15.060 that's my rule

01:15:16.700 so Katie Kirk

01:15:18.240 goes on

01:15:18.860 with Matthew Dowd

01:15:20.200 as follows

01:15:21.220 top 24

01:15:21.800 I also think

01:15:23.680 about the

01:15:24.080 chilling effect

01:15:24.960 Matthew

01:15:26.120 this has

01:15:26.820 on other

01:15:27.260 commentators

01:15:28.220 who are

01:15:29.300 on MSNBC

01:15:30.480 who are

01:15:31.480 going to

01:15:31.980 be careful

01:15:33.440 what they say

01:15:34.500 be less critical

01:15:35.580 of the Trump

01:15:36.260 administration

01:15:37.020 for fear

01:15:37.960 something like

01:15:39.080 this happens

01:15:39.920 let me speak

01:15:42.080 to that

01:15:43.040 because I said

01:15:43.960 that when

01:15:44.360 they were

01:15:44.760 terminating me

01:15:45.360 I said

01:15:45.620 you guys

01:15:45.940 understand

01:15:46.400 what this

01:15:46.760 is going

01:15:47.020 to do

01:15:47.420 what this

01:15:48.900 will do

01:15:49.360 this will

01:15:50.180 cause people

01:15:50.840 in the building

01:15:51.380 to do

01:15:51.820 and they were

01:15:52.740 like

01:15:52.880 decision's

01:15:53.380 been made

01:15:53.820 decision's

01:15:54.800 been made

01:15:55.220 and in

01:15:56.080 the aftermath

01:15:56.640 of this

01:15:57.320 I've had

01:15:57.840 any number

01:15:58.640 of MSNBC

01:15:59.500 and I won't

01:16:00.440 mention names

01:16:01.240 any number

01:16:02.220 of MSNBC

01:16:03.020 people call me

01:16:03.940 and say

01:16:04.420 they're reluctant

01:16:05.740 to now invite

01:16:06.620 certain guests

01:16:07.180 on air

01:16:07.580 they're reluctant

01:16:08.600 now to say

01:16:09.340 good things

01:16:10.100 that they would

01:16:10.460 normally say

01:16:11.220 they're reluctant

01:16:11.960 now to sort

01:16:13.200 of book

01:16:13.560 programming

01:16:14.100 in a way

01:16:14.720 that reveals

01:16:15.600 what they want

01:16:16.080 to reveal

01:16:16.460 because they're

01:16:17.040 scared

01:16:17.520 I'm really

01:16:18.540 surprised

01:16:19.200 at MSNBC

01:16:20.160 I gotta be

01:16:20.880 honest with you

01:16:21.620 Matthew

01:16:21.920 the way

01:16:22.680 they handled

01:16:23.920 it

01:16:24.300 and

01:16:25.420 it is

01:16:26.600 really

01:16:28.440 bizarre

01:16:29.260 and surprising

01:16:30.480 and disappointing

01:16:32.000 and I'm sorry

01:16:32.860 this happened

01:16:33.460 to you

01:16:34.020 oh my god

01:16:35.560 what are you

01:16:36.200 saying

01:16:36.900 the marketplace

01:16:38.240 is working

01:16:38.960 perfectly

01:16:39.540 this is exactly

01:16:41.140 what should

01:16:41.540 have happened

01:16:42.000 he said

01:16:43.320 something

01:16:43.860 absolutely

01:16:44.940 wrong

01:16:45.920 insulting

01:16:46.920 and incendiary

01:16:48.800 as the

01:16:50.600 powder keg

01:16:51.200 was exploding

01:16:52.060 as a

01:16:53.400 very prominent

01:16:54.600 conservative

01:16:55.560 31 year old

01:16:57.220 was dying

01:16:58.780 and they

01:17:00.300 knew it

01:17:00.880 of course

01:17:02.140 he needed

01:17:02.520 to be fired

01:17:03.060 what do you

01:17:03.540 mean you're

01:17:04.000 surprised

01:17:04.740 I'm not

01:17:06.400 surprised at all

01:17:07.160 that MSNBC

01:17:07.880 are now

01:17:08.340 feeling reluctant

01:17:10.020 about booking

01:17:11.100 their favorite

01:17:11.560 people

01:17:12.020 many of whom

01:17:13.200 would sound

01:17:13.520 just like

01:17:13.840 Matthew Dowd

01:17:14.540 of course

01:17:15.840 you're

01:17:16.780 all

01:17:17.380 insensitive

01:17:18.100 assholes

01:17:18.780 you're

01:17:19.700 going to

01:17:19.900 need to

01:17:20.120 be more

01:17:20.440 careful

01:17:20.800 that's

01:17:21.820 that's

01:17:22.220 right

01:17:22.440 that's

01:17:22.740 exactly

01:17:23.060 right

01:17:23.380 the message

01:17:23.860 you receive

01:17:24.280 from the

01:17:24.540 firing

01:17:24.840 is spot

01:17:25.380 on

01:17:25.720 that's

01:17:26.920 crazy

01:17:27.420 talk

01:17:27.840 between

01:17:28.140 those

01:17:28.400 two

01:17:28.640 there's

01:17:30.140 no

01:17:30.280 ambiguity

01:17:30.780 he

01:17:31.460 had

01:17:32.100 to go

01:17:32.500 literally

01:17:33.900 it was

01:17:34.400 a no

01:17:34.720 brainer

01:17:35.120 for even

01:17:35.760 MSNBC

01:17:36.520 they knew

01:17:38.120 they had

01:17:38.940 to do

01:17:39.560 it

01:17:39.780 and the

01:17:40.700 two of

01:17:41.000 them out

01:17:41.240 I can't

01:17:41.740 believe

01:17:42.220 it

01:17:42.580 oh

01:17:43.240 it's

01:17:43.580 chilling

01:17:44.060 of the

01:17:44.360 free

01:17:44.620 speech

01:17:45.100 oh my

01:17:45.660 god

01:17:46.100 and that

01:17:48.220 brings me

01:17:48.580 to

01:17:48.680 Van

01:17:48.900 Jones

01:17:49.220 I'm

01:17:50.200 going to

01:17:50.360 take a

01:17:50.640 break

01:17:50.880 and then

01:17:51.700 we're

01:17:51.840 going to

01:17:51.980 come back

01:17:52.460 and we're

01:17:53.420 going to

01:17:53.480 talk about

01:17:53.780 him

01:17:53.960 a lot

01:17:55.560 of you

01:17:55.760 may have

01:17:56.320 some kind

01:17:56.800 of extra

01:17:57.140 car

01:17:57.480 that's just

01:17:57.920 sitting around

01:17:58.460 maybe it's

01:17:59.160 an older

01:17:59.540 model

01:17:59.940 you don't

01:18:00.280 drive

01:18:00.560 anymore

01:18:00.900 maybe it's

01:18:01.400 that second

01:18:01.980 vehicle

01:18:02.460 collecting dust

01:18:03.320 in the

01:18:03.560 driveway

01:18:03.920 or maybe

01:18:04.960 yes

01:18:05.340 it's the

01:18:05.680 one that

01:18:06.020 hasn't moved

01:18:06.640 in months

01:18:07.060 and you're

01:18:07.320 not even

01:18:07.600 sure it

01:18:07.900 still runs

01:18:08.440 whether it

01:18:09.640 is

01:18:09.900 whatever

01:18:10.180 it is

01:18:10.760 if you

01:18:11.180 are not

01:18:11.640 using it

01:18:12.320 you could

01:18:12.720 be donating

01:18:13.220 it

01:18:13.480 and here's

01:18:18.220 cars with

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01:18:19.120 they have

01:18:20.060 been doing

01:18:20.300 this for

01:18:20.560 over 30

01:18:21.020 years

01:18:21.340 taking over

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01:18:22.920 vehicle

01:18:23.380 donations

01:18:23.880 and they

01:18:24.600 make the

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01:18:26.260 just wonder

01:18:26.680 why you

01:18:26.980 didn't do

01:18:27.300 it sooner

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01:18:32.960 you donate

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01:21:21.260 all right now we've

01:21:26.400 got to talk about

01:21:26.980 van jones um he

01:21:29.340 came out on friday

01:21:30.700 with a nice story

01:21:32.240 about charlie and

01:21:33.260 as i'm sure he

01:21:34.620 predicted it's now

01:21:35.580 getting even

01:21:36.280 conservatives to say

01:21:37.140 nice things about

01:21:37.840 van well i'm not

01:21:39.440 one of them not

01:21:40.420 today and i'll i'm

01:21:42.920 going to explain to

01:21:43.540 you why um i'm just

01:21:48.540 gonna start back

01:21:49.280 before the charlie

01:21:50.500 event let's go back

01:21:52.280 to when my life

01:21:54.200 blew up at nbc news

01:21:56.080 you know you all know

01:21:58.260 the story so i was

01:21:59.920 twisting in the wind

01:22:00.640 all these newspapers

01:22:01.560 are calling me a racist

01:22:02.340 because i said you

01:22:03.560 know like the

01:22:04.400 blackface halloween

01:22:05.040 costumes they

01:22:06.000 weren't like

01:22:06.760 considered cancelable

01:22:08.220 back in the 70s and

01:22:09.100 80s when i grew up

01:22:09.880 when did that happen

01:22:10.720 when did that change

01:22:11.460 it's literally what i

01:22:12.640 said that's the thing

01:22:13.780 that caused the big

01:22:14.340 controversy and um i

01:22:16.920 got quote canceled for

01:22:18.060 it and people literally

01:22:19.200 were calling me a racist

01:22:20.200 for asking that

01:22:20.920 question so van jones

01:22:23.060 called me he called me

01:22:25.180 in the wake of that

01:22:25.760 we'd always been

01:22:26.960 friendly i was on fox

01:22:27.740 he was on cnn but

01:22:28.460 we've been friendly and

01:22:29.100 he said megan i just

01:22:30.000 want to say what's

01:22:30.460 happening to you is

01:22:31.000 wrong it's deeply

01:22:31.860 wrong and i want to

01:22:34.580 see if you're okay

01:22:35.260 so sweet right

01:22:36.380 extra touching because

01:22:39.000 this is a black man

01:22:40.300 in media and so he

01:22:42.280 gets it and he and i

01:22:43.400 had lunch i don't

01:22:44.460 like we knew each

01:22:45.260 other like we're

01:22:46.140 friendly if not true

01:22:47.900 friends and i was

01:22:49.620 like van this is so

01:22:50.340 sweet i really

01:22:50.860 appreciate it and he

01:22:52.100 said is there anything

01:22:52.620 i can do for you

01:22:53.300 and i said well you

01:22:55.420 know if you if you'd

01:22:56.120 write an op-ed or an

01:22:57.100 opinion or say

01:22:57.540 something publicly

01:22:58.120 that that would

01:22:58.720 definitely be helpful

01:22:59.840 and he's like i'll

01:23:00.780 do it like wow and

01:23:02.300 i remember feeling

01:23:02.900 actually relieved

01:23:03.620 because i had very

01:23:04.600 few defenders if any

01:23:06.060 i had a couple on

01:23:07.080 the right but nobody

01:23:08.060 on the left and um

01:23:11.180 like a week went by

01:23:12.480 and he hadn't done

01:23:13.300 it i'm like i was

01:23:14.880 dealing with a lot of

01:23:15.500 the time he wasn't

01:23:16.580 at the forefront

01:23:17.160 thought of my mind

01:23:18.280 but i did realize it

01:23:20.580 would be a helpful

01:23:21.020 thing to have come

01:23:21.760 out and i followed

01:23:24.000 back back up with

01:23:25.300 him saying just

01:23:26.280 checking on whether

01:23:26.960 that's happening

01:23:27.520 and he said so

01:23:30.200 sorry but i changed

01:23:32.720 my mind i can't do

01:23:34.540 it because i recently

01:23:37.000 did a thing with

01:23:37.700 jared kushner and

01:23:39.000 now i'm getting

01:23:39.640 death threats and

01:23:40.900 the fbi says i

01:23:43.060 really shouldn't put

01:23:43.820 myself back out

01:23:44.580 there because i'm

01:23:46.200 getting these death

01:23:47.160 threats now and so

01:23:48.260 i can't say anything

01:23:49.060 on your behalf

01:23:49.600 okay it's whatever

01:23:53.740 i i said no problem

01:23:56.100 totally get it no

01:23:57.220 worries goodbye didn't

01:23:58.340 that wasn't expecting

01:23:59.720 anything from him in

01:24:00.460 the first place it was

01:24:01.300 his offer it was his

01:24:02.780 to withdraw but that

01:24:04.400 that is one of the

01:24:05.900 reasons why what he's

01:24:06.740 doing now around

01:24:07.420 charlie really stood

01:24:09.260 out to me so what

01:24:11.860 did van jones do

01:24:12.960 around the charlie

01:24:14.800 kirk story the monday

01:24:18.340 before charlie was

01:24:19.120 killed which was the

01:24:19.880 wednesday september

01:24:21.100 10th so this is the

01:24:23.720 monday the 8th van jones

01:24:26.680 went on cnn and

01:24:31.080 attacked charlie kirk

01:24:32.800 he attacked him

01:24:34.640 because um charlie

01:24:37.240 had suggested that

01:24:39.080 there was a racial

01:24:40.640 motive at least in

01:24:41.940 part in the slaying of

01:24:43.980 irina zarotska on the

01:24:46.980 light rail train in

01:24:47.640 north carolina and

01:24:49.020 the reason charlie

01:24:49.720 said that is because

01:24:50.440 it had broken in the

01:24:51.360 news that day that the

01:24:53.200 murderer who is black

01:24:54.340 and irina was white

01:24:55.200 said i got that white

01:24:56.680 girl i got that white

01:24:57.740 girl it's on tape and

01:25:00.540 either van hadn't done

01:25:02.120 his homework or ignored

01:25:05.200 it if he did know about

01:25:06.480 it or stupidly wrote it

01:25:09.980 off as meaningless either

01:25:12.380 way van went on cnn that

01:25:14.760 monday night two days

01:25:15.640 before charlie was killed

01:25:16.800 and attacked charlie as

01:25:19.680 a racist for concluding

01:25:22.520 race may have played a

01:25:23.260 factor in this murder and

01:25:24.780 here's what van said

01:25:25.520 charlie kirk to say we

01:25:28.280 know he did it because

01:25:29.740 she's white when there's

01:25:30.860 no evidence of that it's

01:25:32.240 just pure race race

01:25:33.980 mongering hate mongering

01:25:35.480 it's wrong then he says

01:25:37.340 that if something like

01:25:38.440 that had happened the

01:25:39.340 other way there would be

01:25:40.680 sweeping changes imposed on

01:25:42.280 society where is the george

01:25:44.160 floyd policing act it

01:25:45.760 didn't pass that we don't

01:25:47.440 know how to deal with

01:25:48.860 people who were hurting in

01:25:49.840 the way this man was

01:25:50.480 hurting hurt people hurt

01:25:51.760 people what happened was

01:25:52.660 horrible someone like

01:25:53.840 charlie kirk he should be

01:25:54.900 ashamed of himself no one

01:25:56.860 mentioned the word race

01:25:57.840 white black or anything

01:25:59.100 except him okay so that was

01:26:02.100 factually erroneous and it

01:26:05.060 was a smear it was

01:26:07.100 defamatory of charlie kirk he

01:26:10.700 was wrong on every front

01:26:11.680 everything he said there

01:26:12.560 was wrong and literally

01:26:13.320 every word out of his

01:26:14.000 mouth was wrong and a day

01:26:16.980 and a half later charlie was

01:26:17.880 killed for the record while

01:26:20.960 i was on the air covering the

01:26:22.220 charlie murder live on this

01:26:24.540 program i did say this is not

01:26:29.200 van jones's fault i i was

01:26:32.800 sure to point that out and i

01:26:34.220 maintain that position now i do

01:26:35.880 not believe van jones caused

01:26:37.760 charlie kirk to get shot but i

01:26:39.780 do believe the collective

01:26:41.760 leftist messaging around

01:26:43.860 prominent right-wing figures

01:26:45.640 is endangering them

01:26:47.720 from donald trump to steven

01:26:53.380 miller to charlie kirk and

01:26:55.100 beyond that is my firm belief

01:26:58.100 i'm sorry but there's just too

01:26:59.620 much evidence i don't think my

01:27:03.080 leftist friends are having to

01:27:04.300 live their lives surrounded by

01:27:05.920 security like i now i'm like ben

01:27:10.220 shapiro has been like michael

01:27:11.980 knolls has to like matt walsh has

01:27:13.740 to like charlie had to i don't

01:27:16.600 think they are i don't want that

01:27:18.920 for them i don't want it for me or

01:27:21.140 my friends on the right either

01:27:22.100 and constantly throwing around

01:27:25.680 these terms fascist racist nazi is

01:27:31.460 not okay it's not that you don't

01:27:33.840 have the right to say it's not

01:27:34.940 that you should be arrested for

01:27:36.100 it i'm not making an argument

01:27:37.580 against the first amendment it's

01:27:39.000 that it's irresponsible

01:27:40.200 you are pouring fuel into a

01:27:44.180 cauldron of hate that has now

01:27:46.680 gotten one of ours killed and our

01:27:49.580 most prominent leader of the

01:27:52.120 republican party shot in the ear as

01:27:55.180 one of his supporters behind him

01:27:56.940 died in the arms of his family

01:27:59.120 we're not screwing around anymore

01:28:02.580 so it's not okay to go out there

01:28:07.100 without any evidence that charlie is

01:28:09.800 a racist and in fact when you don't

01:28:12.640 have your facts correct van and to

01:28:15.860 call him a racist on the national

01:28:18.000 airwaves it was totally

01:28:19.620 irresponsible of you it was wrong

01:28:22.600 and you have yet to undo it you have

01:28:26.100 yet to undo it so van jones then i

01:28:30.920 believe because i don't think van

01:28:32.300 jones is a bad man i think he's a

01:28:34.600 coward sees what happens to charlie on

01:28:38.060 wednesday and clearly starts to panic

01:28:39.560 because he's been in a very open

01:28:41.620 fight with charlie kirk and i believe

01:28:43.940 that van jones thought people would

01:28:45.900 turn it on him and say screw you you

01:28:49.000 were saying terrible things and he

01:28:49.960 didn't want that bad pr and i believe

01:28:52.360 at some level because van is not a bad

01:28:54.080 man he genuinely of course i accept

01:28:56.040 that he felt genuinely sad that charlie

01:28:57.620 was killed

01:28:58.080 but not so sad he would go out and say

01:29:01.440 i was totally wrong about everything

01:29:02.620 i said about him i wrongfully smeared

01:29:04.960 him on cnn two nights before he died

01:29:06.980 he didn't do that instead he comes out

01:29:09.440 with an op-ed on the 9th of september

01:29:12.680 which was this past friday so you know a

01:29:16.060 week and a half after charlie's death

01:29:20.620 and a week and a half after vans's

01:29:23.420 comments calling him a racist and he

01:29:25.840 reveals to the world that surprise

01:29:27.980 surprise charlie kirk was a good guy

01:29:30.200 in this in this op-ed on cnn he posts

01:29:33.700 the headline is charlie kirk dm'd me

01:29:35.900 direct messaged me before he was

01:29:37.400 murdered here's what he said

01:29:38.480 and he goes on to talk about the fact

01:29:42.340 that charlie messaged him the day before

01:29:44.420 he died september 9th the day after van

01:29:46.260 jones attacked him

01:29:47.000 hey van i mean it i'd love to have you

01:29:49.900 on my show to have a respectful

01:29:51.220 conversation about crime and race

01:29:52.720 i would be a gentleman as i know you

01:29:54.880 would be as well we can disagree about

01:29:56.580 the issues agreeably

01:29:57.840 and van marvels about this he says

01:30:01.320 unfortunately before i could even

01:30:02.600 respond

01:30:03.120 charlie was killed seemingly assassinated

01:30:06.200 for the words he's spoken

01:30:07.600 though the killer's motives are still

01:30:10.920 being investigated

01:30:11.680 so even there even this past friday

01:30:14.900 after the indictment after we knew the

01:30:17.120 mother said leftist ideology pro

01:30:19.080 trans pro gay

01:30:20.560 the governor saying leftist ideology

01:30:23.460 indoctrinated into it

01:30:24.660 the text messages with the the we knew

01:30:26.820 about the boyfriend trans furry

01:30:28.500 community the online furry connection

01:30:30.840 even then

01:30:31.900 what we knew was on the bullet casings

01:30:34.900 he's saying the killer's exact motives

01:30:37.380 are still being investigated he can't

01:30:39.180 he can't let it go

01:30:41.000 he's got to still pretend it's a mystery

01:30:42.580 and the reason charlie said hey van

01:30:46.640 i mean it i'd love to have you on my

01:30:47.900 shows because charlie had said it

01:30:48.980 publicly on his show

01:30:49.780 charlie had tweeted it

01:30:50.980 charlie had made it public that he

01:30:52.320 would he was inviting van to come on

01:30:53.600 his show

01:30:53.900 it was not just in a direct message

01:30:55.500 it was just charlie had gone over the

01:30:56.780 top to try to get

01:30:57.480 in front of van with his message please

01:30:59.200 come on

01:30:59.600 you would not know that from the way van

01:31:02.020 is talking about this

01:31:02.960 you would think oh he's like oh my team

01:31:04.500 brought it to me after he died i was

01:31:05.820 shocked i didn't know whatever

01:31:06.980 no he was making it very very public

01:31:09.740 it was a prominent news story involving

01:31:11.220 you and trust me van jones definitely

01:31:13.260 knows about his own media mentions

01:31:15.400 his behavior has made that clear

01:31:17.200 he goes on to say

01:31:20.160 the following

01:31:21.860 it was not hard for me to condemn

01:31:24.300 charlie's murder

01:31:25.020 immediate with immediately without

01:31:26.740 qualification and in unconditional

01:31:28.040 terms that's true

01:31:28.960 in fact kirk's murder gives us all

01:31:31.280 reason to come back to the table for

01:31:32.960 dialogue

01:31:33.400 there's a rising tide of political

01:31:35.160 violence

01:31:35.680 that has already swept away his life

01:31:37.600 and many others lives

01:31:38.620 from both the left and the right

01:31:40.580 look what he's doing

01:31:41.740 no

01:31:42.840 it's your side

01:31:44.820 it's your side almost uniformly

01:31:47.640 doing the violence

01:31:49.800 and the killing

01:31:50.640 against us

01:31:51.880 own it

01:31:53.160 acknowledge it

01:31:54.660 we don't know the motive

01:31:57.180 and it's really a both sides issue

01:31:58.840 violence like this should compel people

01:32:01.040 in both parties to turn down the heat

01:32:02.640 seek common ground

01:32:03.600 and look for off ramps

01:32:05.040 from the vitriol

01:32:05.920 as kirk was doing with me the day

01:32:07.880 before he died

01:32:08.560 if you are on the right

01:32:09.740 please don't give up on open

01:32:10.860 debate and dialogue

01:32:11.700 charlie didn't

01:32:12.580 i won't

01:32:13.300 and i make the same plea to folks

01:32:14.780 on the left

01:32:15.480 here he is on

01:32:17.300 anderson cooper talking about it

01:32:19.480 on friday

01:32:20.200 sot 15

01:32:21.040 we were going at it

01:32:23.960 online

01:32:24.620 on air

01:32:25.320 uh

01:32:26.300 and then

01:32:26.740 after he died

01:32:28.940 after he was murdered

01:32:29.700 my team called and said

01:32:31.520 van

01:32:31.820 he was trying to reach you man

01:32:33.620 what

01:32:36.020 and i've sat on it long enough

01:32:38.040 and i just said you know what

01:32:38.800 we're going to memorial weekend for this man

01:32:41.580 we disagree everybody knows we were not friends

01:32:45.520 okay

01:32:45.960 at all

01:32:47.160 but you praise the good

01:32:49.600 when it's time to memorialize somebody

01:32:52.140 and what he did

01:32:53.420 and i didn't even know it

01:32:54.860 was good

01:32:55.600 he was not for censorship

01:32:57.140 he was not for civil war

01:32:59.140 he was not for violence

01:33:00.620 he was for dialogue

01:33:01.780 open debate and dialogue

01:33:03.100 even with me

01:33:04.380 we know

01:33:06.640 we all know that

01:33:08.860 i believe this is van jones

01:33:12.100 trying to make himself look good

01:33:13.800 not trying to appeal to leftists

01:33:17.000 to reevaluate charlie kirk

01:33:18.620 and and here's in part why

01:33:21.620 because you heard in the op-ed

01:33:22.920 he's not acknowledging motives

01:33:24.340 and he's both sides in the violence

01:33:26.840 and he goes on to say the following

01:33:29.360 on anderson cooper

01:33:30.520 and sought 16

01:33:31.240 he was for dialogue

01:33:33.400 open debate and dialogue

01:33:34.720 even with me

01:33:36.020 even with me

01:33:37.480 if uh

01:33:38.920 would you have gone on his show

01:33:40.500 would you have

01:33:41.100 no look

01:33:41.680 i would have probably tried to get him on your show

01:33:43.240 i mean i wasn't trying to build his platform

01:33:44.680 but i would have called him

01:33:46.020 so no

01:33:47.540 he wouldn't have gone

01:33:49.220 i mean

01:33:49.500 it seems clear to me

01:33:50.640 he probably knew about the invitation

01:33:51.880 because charlie tweeted it

01:33:53.540 and said it publicly on his show

01:33:54.700 and in addition dm'd him

01:33:56.900 and i don't

01:33:57.680 i'm not sure i believe

01:33:58.440 that he only saw the dm

01:33:59.440 after charlie died either

01:34:00.280 i have to be honest

01:34:00.920 i just don't

01:34:02.420 but he didn't want to platform charlie

01:34:04.940 he didn't want to

01:34:05.580 deign to sit down

01:34:07.120 with the likes of charlie kirk

01:34:08.180 and drive viewers to his platform

01:34:09.540 because he's so hateful

01:34:10.460 he's not backing off one bit

01:34:12.080 of these lies about charlie

01:34:14.300 that ginned up hate around him

01:34:16.160 in all pockets

01:34:18.000 on the left

01:34:19.220 and who knows

01:34:20.220 whether those pockets

01:34:21.080 may have been in utah as well

01:34:23.420 not backing down

01:34:25.560 and then

01:34:26.820 he drops this

01:34:28.680 sat 17

01:34:30.140 over the weekend

01:34:31.200 so the last thing i expected

01:34:33.400 was to hear from him

01:34:34.920 uh in fact we were trying to deal

01:34:36.880 with the wave of death threats

01:34:38.180 and racial stuff

01:34:39.160 that was coming at me

01:34:39.840 in the middle of that controversy

01:34:40.980 look i was the recipient

01:34:42.700 myself

01:34:43.680 of pretty caustic

01:34:45.340 uh language from charlie kirk

01:34:47.080 and unfortunately his

01:34:48.360 a lot of his followers

01:34:49.220 were even

01:34:49.800 worse than that

01:34:51.140 frankly much worse

01:34:51.880 including racist

01:34:52.740 death threats

01:34:53.840 i'm infuriated

01:34:58.900 by that

01:34:59.540 so that

01:35:01.380 now you see why i told you

01:35:02.940 the earlier story

01:35:03.800 he couldn't

01:35:05.820 you know behind the scenes

01:35:06.740 to me

01:35:07.160 i got your back

01:35:08.020 you did nothing wrong

01:35:08.900 you know

01:35:09.240 this is so deeply wrong

01:35:10.820 what's happening to you

01:35:11.640 and and i'm gonna do something

01:35:13.180 i'm gonna stand up

01:35:14.000 and then

01:35:15.080 oh i can't

01:35:16.620 because i'm getting

01:35:17.120 death threats

01:35:17.800 i'm getting racist

01:35:18.740 death threats

01:35:19.400 so i can't

01:35:20.660 sorry

01:35:21.060 and now

01:35:22.580 he calls charlie a racist

01:35:24.840 a day and a half

01:35:26.220 before charlie is assassinated

01:35:27.640 by somebody said

01:35:28.420 he's too full of

01:35:29.440 of hate

01:35:30.120 some hate can't be

01:35:31.400 negotiated out

01:35:32.280 and he says

01:35:33.480 oh you know

01:35:33.960 i was the victim

01:35:34.840 i see i was getting

01:35:36.460 death threats

01:35:37.040 that's why

01:35:38.060 i couldn't

01:35:38.940 i know i really

01:35:39.520 i i was getting

01:35:40.600 death threats

01:35:40.980 because of him

01:35:41.580 and his supporters

01:35:42.880 this whole thing

01:35:44.280 is bullshit

01:35:45.600 let me give you

01:35:47.200 a lesson

01:35:47.960 van

01:35:48.440 okay

01:35:49.260 you you needed

01:35:50.960 forget my

01:35:53.160 circumstance

01:35:53.860 what you should have

01:35:54.480 done with me

01:35:54.880 is say nothing

01:35:55.580 or or don't volunteer

01:35:56.960 to do anything

01:35:57.640 and don't try to lie

01:35:59.060 about your alleged

01:36:00.020 death threats

01:36:00.580 and what death threats

01:36:01.840 by the way

01:36:02.240 what are the death threats

01:36:02.980 because literally

01:36:03.520 if you're in media

01:36:04.080 you get these every day

01:36:05.040 on your tweets

01:36:05.580 i mean if you scrolled

01:36:07.460 any controversial tweet

01:36:08.460 i've ever sent out

01:36:09.320 you will see a few

01:36:10.560 on there who

01:36:11.300 threaten to rape

01:36:12.180 and kill

01:36:12.640 i'm sorry

01:36:13.780 it's part of being

01:36:14.400 a public figure

01:36:14.940 so what death threats

01:36:15.940 exactly

01:36:16.300 then there are other

01:36:17.160 death threats

01:36:17.620 that come

01:36:18.060 that rise to another level

01:36:19.500 where you actually

01:36:20.380 have to get security

01:36:21.080 involved and chase

01:36:21.920 down the person

01:36:22.560 who's threatening you

01:36:23.600 and figure out

01:36:24.240 whether they've got

01:36:25.280 the means

01:36:25.700 whether they've got

01:36:26.520 the location

01:36:27.040 and so on

01:36:27.820 there's a whole

01:36:28.360 security ladder

01:36:29.420 that you have to go

01:36:30.060 through

01:36:30.220 what what are you

01:36:31.140 talking about

01:36:31.620 because i don't

01:36:33.040 believe you

01:36:33.560 i don't believe you

01:36:34.980 had anything more

01:36:35.720 than some negative

01:36:36.340 twitter mentions

01:36:37.280 this is like

01:36:38.740 his tool

01:36:39.440 that he goes

01:36:39.860 to death threats

01:36:40.500 death threats

01:36:40.940 against me

01:36:41.320 i'm the victim

01:36:41.960 death threats

01:36:42.720 so i can't do

01:36:43.300 the op-ed

01:36:43.800 sorry but i want

01:36:44.960 to look like a good

01:36:45.620 guy

01:36:45.980 death threats

01:36:46.920 against you know

01:36:47.820 because because of

01:36:48.840 what charlie said

01:36:50.160 about me

01:36:50.580 no you are the

01:36:51.820 offender

01:36:52.220 you are the one

01:36:53.680 who called him

01:36:54.140 a racist

01:36:54.700 totally unjustified

01:36:56.200 on cnn

01:36:57.320 and didn't have

01:36:58.540 the guts

01:36:59.220 to take it down

01:37:00.420 take it back

01:37:01.280 and correct it

01:37:01.940 when you knew

01:37:02.600 it was untrue

01:37:03.980 you had made

01:37:04.720 the mistake

01:37:05.340 and now you

01:37:07.200 want credit

01:37:07.900 for telling us

01:37:09.100 that he invited

01:37:09.660 you on his show

01:37:10.260 that he was a

01:37:10.820 gentleman

01:37:11.080 that he actually

01:37:11.860 did want dialogue

01:37:12.680 that he unlike

01:37:13.600 you was not

01:37:14.400 behaving fraudulently

01:37:15.720 but you also

01:37:17.100 want us to know

01:37:17.640 that his people

01:37:18.640 are all racists

01:37:19.480 who are giving

01:37:20.180 you racist

01:37:20.740 death threats

01:37:21.360 after you

01:37:22.260 unjustifiably

01:37:23.020 called charlie

01:37:23.680 a racist

01:37:24.060 i'm done

01:37:25.020 i'm done

01:37:26.220 i'm sorry

01:37:28.620 this is why

01:37:29.160 we how we

01:37:30.200 how do we deal

01:37:30.960 with that

01:37:31.320 how do we do

01:37:32.120 what he said

01:37:32.600 oh we got to

01:37:33.100 go forward

01:37:33.480 together

01:37:33.920 in his little

01:37:34.820 op-ed

01:37:35.280 all this stuff

01:37:35.900 oh we

01:37:36.260 don't

01:37:37.420 don't give up

01:37:38.680 on open debate

01:37:39.420 and dialogue

01:37:40.300 turn down the

01:37:41.880 heat

01:37:42.260 seek common

01:37:43.280 ground

01:37:43.800 look for off

01:37:44.900 ramps

01:37:45.420 that's what charlie

01:37:46.280 did

01:37:46.500 you called him

01:37:47.340 a racist

01:37:47.880 and now you're

01:37:48.720 out there today

01:37:49.240 saying oh

01:37:49.840 it's a supporter

01:37:50.220 saying me

01:37:50.600 me i'm the

01:37:51.260 victim

01:37:51.560 racist death

01:37:52.680 threats

01:37:53.040 don't you think

01:37:54.280 charlie got

01:37:54.820 i think charlie

01:37:55.720 got the death

01:37:56.580 threats

01:37:56.880 one of which

01:37:58.040 came true

01:37:58.600 that's really

01:37:59.800 the only issue

01:38:00.540 i'm just like

01:38:01.440 you're not the

01:38:02.140 victim

01:38:02.520 be a be

01:38:04.860 bold

01:38:05.800 say what you

01:38:07.300 actually mean

01:38:08.280 when you screw

01:38:09.560 it up

01:38:10.100 apologize

01:38:10.980 and take it

01:38:12.000 back like a

01:38:13.040 man

01:38:13.420 and don't fall

01:38:15.480 back on alleged

01:38:16.680 death threats

01:38:17.440 which is your

01:38:18.060 go-to

01:38:18.600 to excuse

01:38:19.760 your own

01:38:20.180 terrible

01:38:20.560 behavior

01:38:21.120 that's what

01:38:22.240 you're doing

01:38:22.700 it's infuriating

01:38:25.020 and it's part of

01:38:26.820 like an ongoing

01:38:27.760 thing on the left

01:38:28.480 just this morning

01:38:29.320 on the new york times

01:38:29.980 is the daily

01:38:30.660 podcast

01:38:31.120 which you guys

01:38:31.740 know i listen

01:38:32.200 to so you

01:38:32.540 don't have to

01:38:33.020 listen to how

01:38:33.880 they ended it

01:38:34.420 it was all

01:38:34.780 about charlie's

01:38:35.320 memorial

01:38:35.660 listen to the

01:38:36.660 note on which

01:38:37.200 they ended

01:38:37.720 this story

01:38:38.800 there are many

01:38:40.820 people who feel

01:38:41.500 like his

01:38:43.460 assassination marks

01:38:44.660 a kind of

01:38:45.260 turning point

01:38:45.980 that it has

01:38:47.120 to have changed

01:38:47.760 something

01:38:48.220 i mean we

01:38:49.600 heard over and

01:38:50.480 over one thing

01:38:51.020 that really won't

01:38:51.680 change is turning

01:38:52.740 point usa except

01:38:53.860 it'll be bigger and

01:38:54.740 better than before

01:38:55.360 but basically

01:38:56.100 will continue

01:38:58.000 charlie's work

01:38:58.780 but then

01:38:59.460 what does

01:39:00.700 we seem

01:39:02.900 at least

01:39:03.780 you know

01:39:04.220 and this is

01:39:04.940 not nothing

01:39:05.620 in the 11 days

01:39:06.820 since kirk's

01:39:07.660 assassination

01:39:08.040 there has not

01:39:09.060 been this

01:39:10.140 roiling violence

01:39:11.360 from the right

01:39:12.280 but is there

01:39:13.700 going to be

01:39:14.320 an agreement

01:39:14.980 that that is

01:39:15.760 not the way

01:39:16.520 what

01:39:18.180 in the 11 days

01:39:21.940 since charlie

01:39:22.920 was assassinated

01:39:23.860 there hasn't

01:39:25.020 been roiling

01:39:26.280 violence

01:39:27.140 from the right

01:39:28.560 but we're gonna

01:39:29.880 have to wait

01:39:30.460 to see if this

01:39:31.160 is the way

01:39:31.680 what are you

01:39:32.940 saying

01:39:33.480 you guys

01:39:34.900 committed the

01:39:35.600 violence

01:39:36.100 you did it

01:39:37.720 this was

01:39:38.980 leftist

01:39:39.760 violence

01:39:40.580 leftist

01:39:41.660 get it straight

01:39:43.520 what do you mean

01:39:44.080 there's no

01:39:44.540 there's been no

01:39:45.260 roiling right

01:39:46.000 of course there

01:39:46.740 hasn't

01:39:48.000 of course

01:39:49.320 like

01:39:50.880 the rewriting

01:39:52.200 of this whole

01:39:52.700 narrative is

01:39:53.380 it has such

01:39:54.220 gall

01:39:54.680 the unmitigated

01:39:56.380 gall

01:39:57.040 and it's

01:39:57.900 all hashtag

01:39:59.020 part of

01:40:00.360 the problem

01:40:01.100 you know

01:40:02.660 right now

01:40:03.020 there's a

01:40:03.400 poll out

01:40:03.920 jesse kelly

01:40:05.800 was tweeting

01:40:06.460 about this

01:40:07.060 hold on

01:40:07.940 i have to

01:40:08.320 try to find

01:40:08.840 it

01:40:09.060 is it in

01:40:09.580 my am

01:40:09.940 update

01:40:10.220 or is it

01:40:10.540 my main

01:40:10.840 packet

01:40:11.140 and it

01:40:12.440 it talks

01:40:13.020 about what

01:40:13.420 leftists

01:40:13.780 believe

01:40:14.220 on the

01:40:15.620 on who's

01:40:16.480 doing the

01:40:16.800 violence

01:40:17.120 and it's

01:40:18.240 stunning

01:40:18.520 it's

01:40:19.380 completely

01:40:19.880 wrong

01:40:20.280 and it's

01:40:21.540 stunning

01:40:21.780 it shows

01:40:23.060 when you

01:40:24.180 ask

01:40:24.680 hold on

01:40:25.600 um

01:40:27.540 okay who

01:40:28.200 who believes

01:40:28.980 that charlie's

01:40:31.300 shooting

01:40:32.240 um

01:40:33.600 was motivated

01:40:34.380 by left-wing

01:40:35.040 beliefs

01:40:35.420 or right-wing

01:40:36.040 beliefs

01:40:36.380 just for the

01:40:37.880 record charlie's

01:40:38.800 shooting was

01:40:39.120 motivated by

01:40:39.600 left-wing

01:40:39.980 beliefs

01:40:40.860 so says the

01:40:41.800 utah governor

01:40:42.380 so says the

01:40:43.140 fbi

01:40:43.520 so says the

01:40:44.280 shooter's

01:40:44.580 mother

01:40:44.760 okay

01:40:45.320 so they

01:40:48.540 asked in a

01:40:49.280 survey people

01:40:50.300 what they

01:40:50.560 believed

01:40:50.880 uh

01:40:52.680 overall

01:40:54.080 hold on

01:40:57.500 i get to

01:40:58.020 it overall

01:40:58.500 okay

01:40:58.860 37 percent

01:41:00.160 believe it

01:41:01.620 was left-wing

01:41:02.100 beliefs

01:41:02.380 that's true

01:41:02.860 30 percent

01:41:04.120 are not

01:41:04.380 true

01:41:04.600 we're not

01:41:05.040 sure

01:41:05.240 how do

01:41:05.680 they why

01:41:05.980 are they

01:41:06.140 not sure

01:41:06.460 17 percent

01:41:08.080 say we

01:41:08.680 think it's

01:41:08.960 right-wing

01:41:09.240 beliefs

01:41:09.600 okay who

01:41:10.480 are those

01:41:10.720 17 percent

01:41:11.280 they've been

01:41:11.580 deeply

01:41:11.820 misled

01:41:12.240 they're

01:41:12.560 MSNBC

01:41:13.040 watchers

01:41:13.540 or perhaps

01:41:14.420 CNN

01:41:14.680 watchers

01:41:15.120 so you

01:41:16.340 look into

01:41:16.760 democrats

01:41:17.320 how about

01:41:18.100 you

01:41:18.300 among

01:41:19.200 democrats

01:41:19.800 33 percent

01:41:22.080 one-third

01:41:22.460 of democrats

01:41:22.960 believe the

01:41:24.040 shooter was

01:41:24.400 motivated by

01:41:24.940 right-wing

01:41:25.500 beliefs

01:41:26.100 right-wing

01:41:26.640 right-wing

01:41:27.340 that's wrong

01:41:28.040 it's incorrect

01:41:29.040 one-third of

01:41:30.200 the democrat

01:41:30.560 party believes

01:41:31.160 it

01:41:31.360 what percentage

01:41:32.740 of democrats

01:41:33.380 believe and

01:41:34.400 understand that

01:41:35.120 it was left-wing

01:41:35.740 beliefs

01:41:36.120 10

01:41:37.460 10 percent

01:41:40.220 as jesse put

01:41:42.360 it three times

01:41:43.160 as many democrats

01:41:43.920 believe that

01:41:45.000 the assassin

01:41:45.460 was a right-winger

01:41:46.280 instead of a

01:41:47.880 lefty porn

01:41:48.480 addicted freak

01:41:49.220 who thought he

01:41:49.640 was fighting

01:41:50.360 fascism

01:41:50.920 three times

01:41:51.820 three times

01:41:53.500 and he goes

01:41:54.380 on and you

01:41:54.920 don't have to

01:41:55.240 be some

01:41:55.600 tranny

01:41:55.960 reddit

01:41:56.260 freak to

01:41:56.700 believe those

01:41:57.120 lies

01:41:57.460 if you just

01:41:58.640 do things

01:41:59.080 previously

01:41:59.500 thought of as

01:41:59.980 normal

01:42:00.320 you live

01:42:01.880 in that

01:42:02.380 pretend world

01:42:03.040 if you read

01:42:03.780 the new york

01:42:04.080 times and watch

01:42:04.620 nbc news

01:42:05.260 your entire

01:42:05.880 world is

01:42:06.400 fake

01:42:06.780 he goes

01:42:07.680 on

01:42:07.940 he cites

01:42:09.700 a saturday

01:42:10.320 september

01:42:11.040 20th nbc

01:42:12.200 headline

01:42:12.560 no evidence

01:42:13.600 found yet

01:42:14.180 of ties

01:42:14.660 between charlie

01:42:15.300 kirk shooting

01:42:15.800 and left-wing

01:42:16.220 groups

01:42:16.480 officials say

01:42:17.020 okay none

01:42:17.680 whatsoever

01:42:18.080 all right

01:42:18.540 that's what

01:42:19.200 they want

01:42:19.460 you to know

01:42:19.860 how about

01:42:20.840 just left

01:42:21.300 wing

01:42:21.540 then he

01:42:23.220 says i'm

01:42:23.660 not sure

01:42:24.000 how this

01:42:24.320 ends

01:42:24.640 but you

01:42:25.560 need to

01:42:25.940 train

01:42:26.220 and pray

01:42:26.840 these things

01:42:27.920 are not

01:42:28.180 optional

01:42:28.520 do not

01:42:28.900 for a second

01:42:29.400 think charlie

01:42:29.960 kirk will

01:42:30.620 be our

01:42:30.880 last

01:42:31.140 martyr

01:42:31.420 these people

01:42:32.460 are nuts

01:42:32.940 and they're

01:42:34.060 dead serious

01:42:34.700 all this

01:42:36.460 matters

01:42:36.820 honesty

01:42:37.500 in news

01:42:38.260 reporting

01:42:38.740 matters

01:42:39.420 we know

01:42:42.040 what he was

01:42:42.400 motivated by

01:42:43.080 and we know

01:42:44.260 who's doing

01:42:44.640 the violence

01:42:45.060 just today

01:42:45.540 we had two

01:42:46.020 additional

01:42:46.340 over the

01:42:46.640 weekend

01:42:46.820 we had

01:42:47.080 two additional

01:42:47.640 acts of

01:42:48.860 violence

01:42:49.200 perpetrated

01:42:49.720 by left

01:42:50.300 wing

01:42:50.680 tyrants

01:42:52.880 one guy

01:42:54.700 there were

01:42:55.480 two of

01:42:55.780 them

01:42:56.300 until we

01:42:59.380 can come

01:42:59.600 to terms

01:43:00.080 with what's

01:43:01.240 actually

01:43:01.480 happening

01:43:01.740 in this

01:43:01.960 country

01:43:02.160 there can

01:43:02.440 be no

01:43:02.700 reaching

01:43:02.960 across

01:43:03.260 the

01:43:03.400 aisle

01:43:03.580 there's

01:43:04.100 not

01:43:04.240 going

01:43:04.340 to be

01:43:04.480 a

01:43:04.600 kumbaya

01:43:04.920 moment

01:43:05.380 until you

01:43:06.000 can prove

01:43:06.320 to us

01:43:06.620 that you

01:43:06.940 are honest

01:43:07.380 and we

01:43:07.700 can deal

01:43:07.960 with you

01:43:08.260 and until

01:43:09.600 unless and

01:43:10.200 until that

01:43:10.560 point we

01:43:11.280 are forging

01:43:11.700 on without

01:43:12.060 you

01:43:12.300 we are going

01:43:13.140 to grow

01:43:13.460 our ranks

01:43:13.960 we are going

01:43:14.840 to register

01:43:15.560 as many

01:43:15.960 people as

01:43:16.700 possible

01:43:17.040 who took

01:43:17.460 that right

01:43:17.840 wing path

01:43:18.340 after charlie's

01:43:19.000 death

01:43:19.220 to vote

01:43:19.920 republican

01:43:20.500 in every

01:43:21.300 single

01:43:21.580 election

01:43:21.920 we are not

01:43:22.500 going to

01:43:22.660 care about

01:43:22.980 your issues

01:43:23.440 we are not

01:43:24.020 going to

01:43:24.180 get upset

01:43:24.580 when you

01:43:24.900 tell us

01:43:25.200 to about

01:43:25.940 allegations

01:43:26.560 against our

01:43:27.140 side

01:43:27.480 we are going

01:43:28.200 to be

01:43:28.460 singularly

01:43:29.060 focused

01:43:29.480 on defeating

01:43:30.080 you

01:43:30.400 defeating

01:43:31.440 you

01:43:31.760 and that's

01:43:33.360 where I am

01:43:33.780 we'll see

01:43:35.040 you tomorrow

01:43:35.320 thanks for

01:43:38.340 listening to

01:43:38.820 the megan

01:43:39.140 kelly show

01:43:39.740 no bs

01:43:40.620 no agenda

01:43:41.360 and no fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 22, 2025

Charlie Kirk's Incredibly Moving Memorial, the Power of Forgiveness, and Van Jones' Smear, with Michael Knowles ｜ Ep. 1154

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