The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk's Legacy of Compassion, and Kamala and Katie Porter's Inauthenticity, with Jack Posobiec and Ana Kasparian

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.240 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.860 Yesterday would have been Charlie Kirk's 32nd birthday.

00:00:20.020 It still doesn't seem real that he was taken from us by an assassin's bullet in Utah just over a month ago.

00:00:26.900 And now there's nothing we wouldn't do to bring him back.

00:00:28.680 But what we can do is continue to honor his legacy.

00:00:31.780 And wow, what a powerful example we had yesterday of how he lived his incredible life.

00:00:38.100 I mean, his wife, Erica Kirk, standing up there in the Rose Garden, I don't know where she gets her superhuman strength from.

00:00:44.500 You know, it was much as when I saw her in Arizona last month, like nonstop tears, but a strength that got her through it.

00:00:53.000 And she wrote that speech herself. I'll get to it one second.

00:00:56.320 President Trump standing up in the Rose Garden, a beautiful Rose Garden, by the way.

00:01:01.700 The roses are nowhere to be found, but the garden's now been paved over.

00:01:06.800 It's got like a patio floor on it.

00:01:08.300 And it's a beautiful, absolutely stunning gathering space now for ceremonies like this one.

00:01:14.700 And President Trump made beautiful use of it.

00:01:17.860 It was one of these mornings and afternoons, I guess I should say, where the sun was rising.

00:01:24.140 You know, we saw the president standing in front of us and just behind him was, I think it was the old executive office building behind him with the three flags, the two a little lower, one a little higher above him.

00:01:35.200 And the sun was starting to come down in the sky just beyond him.

00:01:39.640 So those of us who are in the audience had the sun on our faces and it was maybe 70 degrees.

00:01:44.800 It was warm. It was beautiful.

00:01:47.240 We originally were scheduled to be inside, but the president moved it outside.

00:01:51.760 It ended up being such a beautiful day.

00:01:54.140 And President Trump wanted to show off the newly revamped Rose Garden.

00:01:58.820 It was his idea.

00:02:00.280 And there was just something, I don't know, ethereal about it with the sunlight on us and the warmth hitting our faces as the president talked about Charlie.

00:02:09.640 The president was in a good mood.

00:02:11.540 You know, he'd been on a whirlwind tour the past 48 hours prior to that.

00:02:17.320 Somebody, the Babylon Bee did one of its funny cartoons saying,

00:02:21.480 press asks president to call a lid after 96 hours straight of following him.

00:02:26.840 And that's about right.

00:02:28.500 Call a lid when they, they can close up shop and they know the president's not doing any other events for the day.

00:02:33.780 I mean, Egypt and Israel, the Israeli parliament,

00:02:37.840 President Trump was everywhere and did some really important things while over there.

00:02:42.840 And then hightailed it out of the Middle East, as he said to us yesterday,

00:02:46.640 missing what he said something to the effect of would have been some very powerful meetings

00:02:50.980 with some very rich countries who really wanted FaceTime with him.

00:02:54.700 But the answer was no, because he needed to get home to honor his friend, Charlie Kirk,

00:03:01.720 awarding him the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which is the highest civilian honor any American can receive.

00:03:10.640 Trump was looking at the good weather and said what I said, you know, that originally that it would be inside,

00:03:16.560 but they moved it outside.

00:03:17.600 And as the sun was on our faces, he said, God was watching.

00:03:23.440 Like God wanted to give us this, this gift.

00:03:27.200 Trump was in rare form.

00:03:29.200 You know, he was laughing.

00:03:30.540 He was smiling.

00:03:31.760 He paid perfect homage to Charlie.

00:03:34.800 He made a joke at one point about fighting crime in D.C.

00:03:37.860 and then sirens went off nearby, you know, police sirens.

00:03:40.800 And he said, that's a beautiful sound.

00:03:42.940 That's a beautiful sound.

00:03:43.880 That's, that's them fighting crime.

00:03:45.680 That's what you want to hear.

00:03:46.920 It's beautiful.

00:03:49.520 The only people to speak were Trump, a service man who read the actual resolution,

00:03:56.600 giving Charlie the medal.

00:03:58.580 And Charlie's now widow, still getting used to that word, Erica Kirk,

00:04:03.620 who accepted the word, the award on his behalf.

00:04:07.220 I don't think his team would mind me telling you that somebody on the team took a shot at writing a speech for her.

00:04:14.540 And she said, I just, I can't do it.

00:04:17.900 I've got to write it myself.

00:04:19.060 It doesn't sound like me.

00:04:20.340 I've, I've got to say what's in my heart.

00:04:23.920 And she wrote that speech.

00:04:25.940 It's amazing when you hear her talk.

00:04:27.660 It's almost like one of Charlie's colleagues said this to me when I went out there to host his show,

00:04:32.880 that they were, they were feeling comfort in being around Erica because it was like being around Charlie.

00:04:39.840 And I have to say, I totally get it.

00:04:43.840 Spending time with her or even watching her speak.

00:04:46.180 It does give you, she's not the same as Charlie.

00:04:48.640 They, their style is different, but the messaging is really spot on.

00:04:54.400 She was completely together.

00:04:56.680 She was the picture of class and strength and resilience, but she was once again, nonstop in tears and she made it through.

00:05:07.360 Here's a bit of what she said.

00:05:08.520 The very existence of the Presidential Medal of Freedom reminds us that the national interests of the United States has always been freedom.

00:05:18.880 Our founders etched it into the preamble of our Constitution.

00:05:21.920 And those words are not relics on parchment.

00:05:26.340 They are a living covenant.

00:05:28.160 The blessings of liberty are not man's invention.

00:05:31.560 They are God's endowment.

00:05:32.660 And Charlie lived for those blessings, not as abstract words, but as sacred promises.

00:05:39.080 Honestly, President Trump, I have spent seven and a half years trying to find the perfect birthday gift for Charlie.

00:05:46.380 Now I can say with confidence, Mr. President, that you have given him the best birthday gift he could ever have.

00:05:53.580 Obviously, it was bittersweet.

00:05:59.500 You know, I remember in the first term, Trump awarded this same medal to Rush Limbaugh, and he did it at the State of the Union.

00:06:06.400 Do you guys remember that?

00:06:08.320 And Rush was suffering with terminal cancer at the time, and he knew his life was coming to an end on this side.

00:06:14.860 And it was great that Rush got to receive that honor and, you know, just be recognized for a lifetime of contributions that were really meaningful.

00:06:26.300 I mean, Rush Limbaugh changed conservatism, fundamentally changed the way we talk about issues as conservatives in this country.

00:06:35.660 He was the godfather, the OG, in showing people how it was done.

00:06:39.600 He was a huge influence over Charlie Kirk, too.

00:06:42.020 Huge influence.

00:06:42.740 This kid growing up in Illinois said he listened to Rush all the time, that he would sneak out in the middle of class, like in the middle of the day when other kids might be taking a break or, you know, kicking the soccer ball around, what have you.

00:06:53.020 Charlie was listening to Rush Limbaugh.

00:06:56.660 And Charlie, you know, of course, didn't receive this honor while still alive.

00:07:01.480 We all thought there'd be time.

00:07:04.240 Everyone thought Charlie would have time to run for and become and be president.

00:07:10.000 I mean, literally everybody I've spoken to believe that would happen.

00:07:13.920 And then you get your honors late in life, generally.

00:07:17.520 You know, that's just generally how it works.

00:07:19.000 Rush Limbaugh, God love him and rest him, died older.

00:07:25.080 And it's not he died too soon.

00:07:27.720 He was too young for us.

00:07:28.940 But he had lived his full life.

00:07:31.780 And Charlie hadn't.

00:07:32.920 So, you know, the award amazingly was appropriate.

00:07:37.940 Like, Charlie earned it.

00:07:39.020 You think of all Charlie did in his 13 years of turning point.

00:07:42.260 And good gracious did he earn it.

00:07:44.520 But it wasn't given to him until he was gone.

00:07:48.160 And so there was something bittersweet about it, because Erica, of course, had to accept

00:07:54.560 it for him.

00:07:55.780 She reminded everyone, of course, that Charlie lived by his Christian beliefs, that he was

00:08:01.920 committed, notwithstanding what President Trump had said moments earlier.

00:08:07.720 Trump said, I know, you know, Erica suggested that he likes to, he would pray for his enemies

00:08:12.740 and he loved his enemies.

00:08:14.020 And Trump was like, I'm not so sure that's true.

00:08:16.480 So I spent some time with Charlie.

00:08:18.560 And then in a very funny moment, Trump again joked that that doesn't come as easily for

00:08:26.920 him.

00:08:27.760 Here's a bit.

00:08:28.560 This is Erica speaking about Charlie in response.

00:08:31.760 And Trump's in the background.

00:08:34.200 Surprisingly enough, he did pray for his enemies, which is very hard.

00:08:38.260 But he did.

00:08:39.700 He did.

00:08:42.020 He throws his hands up.

00:08:43.940 He's smiling.

00:08:46.480 No one else.

00:08:48.120 I mean, I saw him do it.

00:08:49.400 No, he never did it in front of anyone else, but I can attest to that.

00:08:53.440 But he also loved people when it was inconvenient.

00:08:56.140 I love when Trump gets the big smile.

00:09:00.160 You know, he doesn't give us the huge smile that often.

00:09:03.700 But that's him being self-deprecating, you know, laughing that, you know, I saw what I

00:09:08.720 saw.

00:09:09.220 Erica's seen what she's seen.

00:09:12.080 But he's being gracious.

00:09:13.840 You know, she's kind of saying, no, I swear he really did pray for his enemies.

00:09:16.380 And Trump's kind of like, did he?

00:09:18.060 It was sweet.

00:09:20.160 President Trump was so good to Erica.

00:09:21.620 He went to her.

00:09:23.100 He walked her out.

00:09:25.360 He stood with her.

00:09:27.280 He did.

00:09:27.860 He stood behind her the whole time.

00:09:29.440 I mean, you know, not for nothing, but Trump's 79 years old.

00:09:32.080 And as I said, he's just coming off this whirlwind tour of the Middle East, not to mention what

00:09:36.520 happened the week prior.

00:09:37.720 I mean, he's been working on this nonstop.

00:09:39.020 And he stood there the whole time.

00:09:40.760 I was thinking to myself, is there any way President Biden would have been standing here

00:09:44.060 for the full remarks of Erica Kirk?

00:09:46.260 I mean, his own remarks went on for nearly 45 minutes, I'd say.

00:09:49.840 He did the weave.

00:09:51.300 And then Erica stood there the whole time.

00:09:54.040 And then when she was done speaking and we had the service person read the actual proclamation,

00:10:01.620 stood there.

00:10:02.900 And then Trump went over and stood right in front of her and was comforting her as Amazing

00:10:08.000 Grace was played, among other songs.

00:10:10.940 He paid homage to Charlie's parents who were there.

00:10:15.180 They, too, were stoic.

00:10:16.940 You could see the grief on their face, but they were stoic and held it together to their

00:10:22.420 credit.

00:10:22.780 I don't know how they're functioning.

00:10:25.540 And Trump gave, he gave a lot of himself.

00:10:29.240 Just making it back and standing there in front of them, it was his way of honoring Charlie.

00:10:35.740 It was his way of saying, this person mattered to me.

00:10:38.640 Trump takes a lot of guff for not being the kind of griever or mourner in chief or, you

00:10:44.740 know, emoter that many people want him to be.

00:10:49.060 You know, he doesn't have empathy in the same way most people have it, in a way that you would

00:10:53.880 recognize it instantly.

00:10:55.720 But he does have it.

00:10:57.100 This has actually been a lifelong question of mine since I've known Trump.

00:11:00.800 Does he have empathy?

00:11:02.260 And now having studied Trump for many years and known him for many years, he does have

00:11:06.920 empathy.

00:11:07.600 Absolutely, he does.

00:11:08.660 He just doesn't show it in the same way as the rest of us.

00:11:11.440 You know, he's extremely strong emotionally, extremely.

00:11:15.480 And this is him showing it.

00:11:17.600 The fact that he made it back, the fact that he escorted her out, the fact that he stood there,

00:11:22.540 the fact that he went back over to her, the fact that he stood with the family after the

00:11:26.480 ceremony for Amazing Grace and spent time with him immediately after the ceremony as

00:11:30.560 well.

00:11:31.000 That is his empathy.

00:11:32.960 The fact that we were there in this ceremony honoring Charlie, that's Trump's empathy.

00:11:38.720 That's him expressing his love and care and admiration for a young man who truly changed

00:11:46.260 the country.

00:11:47.980 He also declared yesterday National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk.

00:11:51.940 It was Charlie's 32nd birthday.

00:11:54.040 With a proclamation reading, quote, on the American people to assemble on this day in their respective

00:12:01.000 places of worship, they are to pay homage to Charlie's memory.

00:12:06.120 Now, every major network took the event live yesterday.

00:12:11.180 I mean, it was an event.

00:12:12.180 It was a thing.

00:12:13.340 And it was Charlie's murder was something that, of course, captured the attention of the

00:12:19.800 world.

00:12:20.180 Except one, MSNBC, which apparently thought its viewers wanted to hear Nicole Wallace

00:12:26.660 jabber on instead of witness a historic event.

00:12:30.820 For the listening audience, we're showing the screen grabs from literally every channel.

00:12:34.760 They all have President Trump in the background and a lower third that's appropriate.

00:12:37.500 And then there's one in the middle with Nicole Wallace, just her, just her mug on camera spitting

00:12:45.120 out a bunch of bullshit, as she always does on MSNBC.

00:12:48.400 So that's what you got there, the refusal to even acknowledge Charlie because they couldn't

00:12:52.360 have President Trump's words about Charlie and what he actually did and who he actually

00:12:57.700 was or Erica Kirk's words about her husband and what he stood for.

00:13:02.200 They couldn't have that heard by the MSNBC audience, you see, because they're all part of

00:13:06.440 the Nicole Hannah Jones pack of lies.

00:13:09.300 It's important to them to continue misleading some faction of the left into thinking Charlie

00:13:17.200 was the devil incarnate.

00:13:18.440 So they really can't have you looking at Erica Kirk.

00:13:21.800 They really can't have you seeing a charming, empathetic, loving Donald Trump honor his friend.

00:13:28.640 It's a hard no.

00:13:30.320 There was nothing offensive.

00:13:31.780 They couldn't get out of it on their bullshit.

00:13:33.640 Oh, he tells lies, so we have to cut away.

00:13:37.260 You know, they've been pulling that nonsense since January 6th.

00:13:40.220 No, there was no excuse not to show it other than their own inhumanity and refusal to show

00:13:48.500 truth to their audience.

00:13:50.940 It would put the lie to everything they've been saying about Charlie and Turning Point for

00:13:54.820 that matter.

00:13:56.560 Joining me now for reaction is Jack Posobiec.

00:13:59.440 He's host of Human Events Daily.

00:14:01.220 He's a Turning Point USA contributor.

00:14:03.440 He was a dear friend of Charlie's and stood up and eulogized him at Charlie's Memorial.

00:14:09.280 And he was at the Rose Garden event along with yours truly yesterday as well.

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00:15:06.360 Jack, welcome to the show.

00:15:07.620 Thanks so much for being here.

00:15:09.640 Give me your overall thoughts on yesterday and what you experienced.

00:15:12.620 Well, Megan, thanks for having me on and thanks as well for you making the trip out and being

00:15:18.440 there with us the entire day yesterday and so many people who really came.

00:15:22.480 It was so remarkable to see such a day for Charlie and such a day to, you know, really

00:15:27.960 remember and reflect on his legacy and his impact on America and our culture going forward.

00:15:33.960 And, you know, there's something that just, you know, it struck me.

00:15:36.960 We've had this terrible weather the last couple of days that I've been in DC and it's been

00:15:42.020 rainy.

00:15:42.640 There was a nor'easter that came through and there was this moment right before I think

00:15:50.180 the president and Erica came out and they had been in the, in the Oval Office and they

00:15:56.480 had been meeting and talking.

00:15:58.340 And there was this moment where suddenly the sun just sort of peaked above, you were just

00:16:02.940 kind of talking about it, peaked above the executive office building and the Eisenhower

00:16:07.440 office building.

00:16:08.420 And it was like the whole Rose Garden lit up.

00:16:12.340 It was like the sun just hit the entire patio there when we hadn't seen sun all week.

00:16:18.880 And it was, it was quite possibly the most beautiful day I've ever seen at the White House.

00:16:25.000 And I've been there many times and it may have been the most beautiful day.

00:16:28.460 And I just really think that was, that was for Erica.

00:16:32.040 That was God shining a light down or I don't know, maybe even, maybe even letting Charlie

00:16:37.880 be there in a sense in that, in that ray of light, because even in a time of so much darkness

00:16:45.560 and so much pain and anger that we've all gone through in the wake of all of this, that it

00:16:55.500 just takes one candle shining to illuminate an entire sea of darkness.

00:17:00.560 It's so true.

00:17:01.720 And it was not just the light and the beauty, but the warmth, right?

00:17:05.560 It was like something about that warmth hitting our faces and actually warming us up as we're

00:17:10.700 hearing about Charlie.

00:17:12.060 It was so appropriate.

00:17:13.240 The other dynamic about it, Jack, that jumped out at me was, it was so, in a way it was classic

00:17:19.560 Charlie, because what did Charlie do at like the Turning Point events, like AmFest and the

00:17:25.500 Student Summit?

00:17:26.600 He brought us all together.

00:17:29.300 He would have loved to have seen us all together like that.

00:17:32.640 Like people in our lane, in the digital lane, you, me, Benny, and then people from the more

00:17:39.260 traditional media, like all, most of my Fox News, former colleagues were there.

00:17:44.660 Jesse Waters, Tucker was there.

00:17:46.880 He's, he's now in our lane too.

00:17:49.760 O'Reilly was there.

00:17:51.020 Hannity was there.

00:17:52.400 Judge Jeanine, Laura Ingram.

00:17:54.760 It was just like the two worlds of the conservative ecosphere when it comes to broadcasting and the

00:18:01.800 people who really are changing this world for the better, this country in particular, for the

00:18:05.280 better together.

00:18:06.780 And there's a bit of a rivalry between us and them.

00:18:09.040 You know, we think they're old and we're new and they're kind of over and we're the

00:18:13.520 future.

00:18:14.280 They would disagree, but there was none of that yesterday.

00:18:17.180 There was just togetherness and like a softness and kind of a love.

00:18:22.840 I would even say a grace, you know, just a, just a grace.

00:18:26.460 And that's who Charlie was.

00:18:27.400 Charlie was about bridging that, that, you know, gap between worlds.

00:18:32.740 Charlie was the bridge.

00:18:34.560 He was the bridge between, and in so many ways, you know, you mentioned Rush Limbaugh,

00:18:38.480 who Charlie was a huge fan of.

00:18:40.260 I was a huge fan of.

00:18:41.460 And the very last event that Rush Limbaugh ever spoke at publicly was actually a turning

00:18:47.920 point event down in 2019 before he got sick down and Rush, of course, because of his,

00:18:53.580 you know, because of his personal health, he didn't do a lot of the events.

00:18:57.080 He actually did really have quite bad hearing for anyone who met him.

00:19:00.640 And they would, they would know this and, you know, he did the show, but he actually

00:19:03.160 did have really bad hearing issues and even after the implant and everything.

00:19:07.100 And so he did that event for Charlie because he very quietly and, and Charlie never even

00:19:12.100 said this or acknowledged it publicly.

00:19:13.600 And this was Rush's, um, you know, Rush's wish that Charlie would never tell anyone until,

00:19:18.560 you know, after the fact that Rush had been a major donor to turning point during his lifetime,

00:19:24.760 that he was all in on Charlie Kirk, he was all in on the mission.

00:19:29.820 And so that was this sort of incredible parallel because you mentioned how, um, you know, you

00:19:36.120 mentioned how it was the bridge between sort of like the traditional media and the new media,

00:19:40.100 but Rush was really the first, he was sort of the first guy to say, we can do a different

00:19:45.900 kind of media.

00:19:47.240 And he did it with AM radio.

00:19:48.480 You know, he did it with the, you know, the blow torch, uh, coming up on broadband and then

00:19:52.880 eventually you're coming up on, on clear channel and then eventually to broadcast and get it

00:19:57.080 out larger.

00:19:57.500 But he was the first one to say, we can talk about the news in a different way and we can

00:20:03.980 build an audience.

00:20:04.540 And he built this incredible audience.

00:20:06.460 And then, so Charlie would always say, Charlie would always say his biggest dream wasn't necessarily

00:20:11.400 to be an organizer and wasn't to do turning point.

00:20:14.460 He, you know, he wanted all of the things, but he said, you know, I'd love to have a radio

00:20:17.960 show like Rush Limbaugh.

00:20:19.560 That's what he used to always say.

00:20:21.280 And, uh, you know, I think the podcast is in many ways, a new form of radio, but it was

00:20:26.060 that, it was that, that idea of new media and just using that to connect directly with

00:20:30.280 people that really drove so much for Charlie.

00:20:32.620 Yeah, it, it was, I completely agree.

00:20:35.200 And he loved Rush as we, we all loved Rush.

00:20:37.940 I mean, he was the OG there's, there's only one Rush Limbaugh.

00:20:40.980 We miss him to, to this day.

00:20:42.460 They're together now they're, they're together now, you know, he's, he's with his mentor among

00:20:47.120 others.

00:20:47.780 I think that, um, there is something bittersweet Jack about the fact that Charlie gets this

00:20:53.580 medal posthumously.

00:20:55.480 Charlie's podcast has been number one on the podcast charts since he died.

00:21:01.260 It's, it's amazing.

00:21:02.360 Like the interest in him and the people around him and the messaging that they knew would

00:21:06.360 be blessed by him.

00:21:07.380 Like people are coming to him who, who didn't eat, who didn't know him before just to like

00:21:11.840 hear clips and get to know him better and hear the people who knew him best talk about

00:21:16.200 him.

00:21:16.400 His books have all shot up to the top of the, of the charts.

00:21:20.780 All of them, people like the 122,000 plus now, uh, young people, young, new chapters of

00:21:27.620 turning point on high school and college campuses.

00:21:29.920 There's like a desperate thirst for more of Charlie right now.

00:21:34.180 And thank God there's hours and hours and hours of tape of Charlie, but it's, it's just

00:21:39.800 so encouraging to see.

00:21:41.820 And I do think that's why MSNBC had to go dark on it.

00:21:45.440 Like they, they feel very threatened by this.

00:21:50.720 Well, so in MSNBC, right there, their entire structure is built on this inverted hierarchy

00:21:57.160 of victimhood whereby in, uh, all of society is controlled by the victimization.

00:22:03.180 So, uh, uh, women are victimized, minorities are victimized and white Christian males are

00:22:08.780 always the, you know, like Charlie Kirk, especially successful, uh, you know, white Christian males

00:22:13.780 like Charlie's literally married to a beauty queen.

00:22:16.820 He's got, you know, incredible children, incredible families, successful by every metric.

00:22:20.420 And so he must be the enemy.

00:22:22.560 And so you can't ever allow anyone like that to look sympathetic.

00:22:28.340 You can't ever look like there might be someone who victimized him because if he were to become

00:22:34.360 a victor, then it would in fact repudiate everything that they stand for.

00:22:38.080 It would repudiate everything that they're doing.

00:22:40.020 And that's why they're doubling down.

00:22:41.400 Not only did they cut away from that, I believe they, they said they're doubling Rachel Maddow.

00:22:45.480 So they're giving her two shifts this week.

00:22:47.040 So she's going to come back and now do two shows.

00:22:49.500 They're holding another no Kings rally.

00:22:51.320 And you, you look, they're doing everything they can to load up new stories and release

00:22:56.640 things to be able to kind of muddy the waters and find different stories they can talk about

00:23:01.660 other than the fact that, you know, unfortunately it was one of their guys.

00:23:06.460 It was this crazy leftist up on top of that roof that came out there and said, look, we

00:23:10.700 can't beat this, you know, we can't beat the right at the ballot box.

00:23:12.960 Can't beat Trump.

00:23:13.780 We can't beat Charlie Kirk in the debate sphere.

00:23:15.940 So what are we going to do?

00:23:17.040 We're going to try to silence him with a bullet.

00:23:19.440 And as you say, they certainly failed in terms of that because his message is now larger than

00:23:24.520 ever.

00:23:24.820 People are paying more attention to Charlie more than ever.

00:23:27.900 Turning point is taking off more than ever.

00:23:30.020 But what they did do is that they robbed Charlie, not only from all of us and the, you know,

00:23:34.680 the decades and future of whatever Charlie would have become.

00:23:38.640 And I think we all have, you know, ideas about probably how that would have gone, but, but,

00:23:42.520 but it's also, you know, you sit there with Erica and, and this is what, you know, personally

00:23:46.460 I'll, I have trouble with still.

00:23:48.080 And I had some, you know, I guess yesterday was rough.

00:23:51.340 I'll just say that.

00:23:52.280 And I'll sit there with my, my boys and we could just be having a family moment or sitting

00:23:59.380 at church and watching it or watching a movie or something.

00:24:02.520 And I'll feel this profound anger come over me that, that Charlie will never have that

00:24:08.260 with his children ever again, that those children will never have those moments with their father,

00:24:14.600 that Erica will never have those moments with her husband.

00:24:17.280 And that, I don't know why, but this phrase keeps kind of repeating in my mind.

00:24:20.760 It's that every single moment was stolen from them, every single one.

00:24:25.360 And look, I, there is a debt, there is a debt that has to be paid for every single moment

00:24:30.680 that was stolen from those people.

00:24:33.100 This, you and I talked about this, uh, at the reception afterward, this both got us both

00:24:38.780 Erica getting personal at the end.

00:24:41.320 Here it is.

00:24:41.680 Stop five.

00:24:45.300 And before I close, I'll share with you that.

00:24:48.340 I asked our daughter what she would like to say to daddy for his birthday.

00:24:55.480 Excuse me.

00:25:00.660 Happy birthday, daddy.

00:25:03.700 I want to give you a stuffed animal.

00:25:12.400 Oh, man.

00:25:15.340 I want you to eat a cupcake with ice cream.

00:25:18.340 And I want you to go have a birthday surprise.

00:25:22.560 I love you.

00:25:23.480 That's what she said.

00:25:26.100 And while our son is precious, he can't yet speak.

00:25:31.500 In classic Kirk family fashion, his actions spoke louder than his words.

00:25:36.280 And his gift to you, Charlie and myself for that matter, was deciding to become the man

00:25:40.920 of the house and be fully potty trained at 16 months.

00:25:43.620 How about Charlie, baby?

00:25:46.840 I know that you're celebrating in heaven today, but gosh, I miss you.

00:25:52.620 It's so unfair.

00:25:54.120 It's so deeply unfair, Jack.

00:25:55.580 I mean, it's, it's, it's horrible.

00:25:59.000 It's, it's absolutely horrible.

00:26:00.760 And to the people that were celebrating this, to the people that were laughing about this,

00:26:05.520 it's, it's, it's unbearable.

00:26:07.660 And, you know, I, I kept it together, I would say pretty well yesterday, pretty much right

00:26:13.560 up until that moment.

00:26:14.500 And then right afterwards when the violins were playing Amazing Grace and, and a few other

00:26:20.800 songs afterwards where, you know, there I am, I'm thinking, you know, when you, you think

00:26:25.660 about going to the White House, you think you're, you know, you're, you're in for a, you know,

00:26:28.740 a real awe-inspiring session.

00:26:31.000 And then you think about the history that's going on there and never did I think I'd be

00:26:36.000 sitting there at the White House and thank God my wife was there because, Tanya, because

00:26:40.200 I mean, I just, I couldn't keep it together.

00:26:42.300 I just got, I just got so upset because the, the people laughing about this, the people who

00:26:48.800 want to continue to do this to any conservative out there, you post something about him, even

00:26:54.260 on, even on X and you'll get comment after comment saying you're next, or, you know,

00:26:59.440 we're coming for you soon or, or, and not just me, but, you know, everybody, everyone

00:27:03.380 who's a conservative, you know, have a target on your back and we've had this target on

00:27:06.280 our back and, and you sit there and think this, this can't go unanswered.

00:27:11.760 I'm sorry.

00:27:12.140 It just can't go unanswered.

00:27:14.400 Now today the left is making a big deal out of this story that some no name so-called young

00:27:22.080 Republicans, literally who none of us has ever heard of, were on some derelict text chain

00:27:27.760 using racial slurs and bad taste jokes about, I'll be Hitler if it's going to get me more

00:27:36.260 right-wing votes, whatever.

00:27:38.460 And you can, you can feel them thrilled that this story has emerged because they're now

00:27:45.280 this is, Oh, it's both sides.

00:27:47.000 You know, our side says some unfortunate things, but look at the Republicans, as we all know,

00:27:51.960 they're terrible and they, they're racists.

00:27:55.080 And so, you know, you really just have to vote for us because we're going to get you

00:27:58.420 better economic policies.

00:28:00.160 We're going to get you a bigger social safety net, but it's totally both sides ism.

00:28:03.780 Look at these texts from these losers.

00:28:06.500 None of you has ever heard from before.

00:28:08.280 I mean, your thoughts on that.

00:28:11.120 Yeah, it was, I mean, I saw that story, I guess, as we were walking into the white house

00:28:15.020 and, and someone had, uh, had sent it over and I said, wow, of course they timed it perfectly

00:28:20.760 so that it would drop immediately when Charlie's memorial service happened for just that purpose.

00:28:26.820 And also obviously to, uh, to try to respond to this, this insanity out of the attorney general

00:28:32.780 candidate in Virginia, uh, and some of the horrifying violent things that he said specifically,

00:28:38.720 and by the way, not just over text, but calling this woman and berating her, uh, saying violent

00:28:43.900 things to her.

00:28:44.760 And so it's so obvious and, you know, nobody's saying that this thing was a, uh, you know,

00:28:50.820 was, was like an urgent story that needed to get out.

00:28:53.460 No, it was timed directly to try to bracket.

00:28:57.220 It's a, it's a typical media strategy.

00:28:58.700 It's also a political strategy known as bracketing, where when you can't defeat your opponent,

00:29:03.380 what you try to do is muddy the waters at least.

00:29:05.320 So there's multiple things going on at the same time.

00:29:07.580 So they released that story so that juxtaposed every time, if you're going on social media

00:29:12.940 yesterday, you'll see, here's Erica, here's, here's the widow, here's the tears, here's

00:29:19.180 the friends, but then also up Republicans, bad Republicans, bad.

00:29:23.140 Don't remember Republicans, bad.

00:29:24.760 You have to see it at the same time.

00:29:26.100 And it's so patently obvious and Orwellian that I'm actually surprised that they would

00:29:31.940 try something so cheap.

00:29:33.180 Actually, I blame the last.

00:29:34.220 I'm not surprised that they would try something so cheap, but it's, it's, it's just really

00:29:38.080 sad.

00:29:38.380 It's really sad that we couldn't take one day to be able to say, you know what?

00:29:42.260 Let's put down all of the attacks.

00:29:46.360 Let's put down all of it to say, this was a good guy and he didn't serve what happened.

00:29:51.220 Yeah.

00:29:52.020 It's so, I mean, it's like, there is a difference between some loser Republicans who are not

00:29:57.620 in power.

00:29:58.420 Like somebody at one point ran for office and lost is the most I can see here.

00:30:03.320 Um, and, and like the chair and vice prayer or vice chair of various states, Republic,

00:30:09.140 young Republicans.

00:30:10.100 Okay.

00:30:10.760 Well, we've never heard of these people.

00:30:12.100 I've been covering Republican politics for 25 years.

00:30:15.740 I've never heard of these people and they, they want to pin it around the right's neck

00:30:20.460 as though it's an attorney general candidate who's within a, a whisker of actually becoming

00:30:26.460 the top law enforcement officer of Virginia.

00:30:30.180 Yeah.

00:30:30.580 And you know what?

00:30:31.100 Fine.

00:30:31.460 Okay.

00:30:31.720 So we've seen those texts.

00:30:32.960 Let's see all the young Democrats text messages about Charlie Kirk now.

00:30:36.140 Cause I saw what all the young Democrats and the public Democrats were saying publicly.

00:30:40.540 And I saw Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi come out and do the yes, but remember that, you

00:30:45.120 know, the yes, but that's what they said.

00:30:46.500 They said, yes, it's sad that Charlie Kirk died, but, and then Barack Obama, who is for

00:30:51.400 all intents and purposes, the leader of the Democrat party went on this litany of smears

00:30:55.260 and attacks against Charlie saying, Oh, well, what about MO?

00:30:58.440 He said something about MLK.

00:30:59.460 He said something about the civil rights act and wokeness and all the rest.

00:31:01.700 It's a stop, stop.

00:31:02.900 Don't do the yes, but it's so insidious and it's so poisonous and toxic to our, our country.

00:31:07.940 And that's obviously why they're doing it.

00:31:09.560 They can't stop.

00:31:10.980 So let's go ahead.

00:31:12.080 Let's say we're going to release text messages.

00:31:13.680 Let's release all the text messages from the young Democrats about Charlie Kirk.

00:31:18.160 And let's go back by the way, to September 10th.

00:31:20.020 And let's see what they were saying in the group chat back then.

00:31:22.060 More than happy to.

00:31:23.280 Yeah, you're so right.

00:31:24.800 Of course they do smear Charlie in the political article.

00:31:28.640 The, one of these guys we've never heard of this Junta.

00:31:31.420 We don't, again, I don't know who these people are, but there's some guy named Junta who

00:31:36.980 sounds like a douchebag.

00:31:38.700 First name Peter.

00:31:40.520 Who is, let's see, there's the William Hendricks, who's the Kansas young Republicans vice chair.

00:31:45.940 And then there's this Peter Junta, who was the chair at the time of that organization.

00:31:50.260 Uh, and apparently he said, Junta said people who did not vote for him to become chair of

00:31:57.400 the young Republican national federation needed to go to the gas chamber.

00:32:00.220 They think that they think that like in some stupid young guys, text chain is the same thing as the

00:32:06.760 Virginia AG, like tripling down texting.

00:32:09.960 He wants to put two bullets in the brain of the Republican house speaker in Virginia, calling a Republican to say, no, no, I really meant it.

00:32:16.300 And then tripling down with more text saying, this is why I've thought it out.

00:32:21.440 I really think people need to feel the pain in order to change their political.

00:32:24.820 Like if this guy stood by it repeatedly, these are a bunch of knuckleheads in a stupid text chain behaving badly.

00:32:31.220 I mean, there's something they never wanted to be public, something they weren't really standing by, but, but wait, I just want to give you this.

00:32:37.080 So they, they attacked Charlie in the political piece, this Junta, um, they, part of his messages read, if your pilot is a she, and she looks 10 shades darker than someone from Sicily, just end it there.

00:32:49.920 Scream the no, no word.

00:32:51.860 And they, they write as follows.

00:32:54.060 Um, Junta's line on this darker skinned pilot, for example, echoes one used by slain conservative activist, Charlie Kirk last year, when he said, if I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

00:33:06.100 Kirk was discussing how diversity hiring invites unwholesome thinking.

00:33:09.440 Again, they just pull these snippets, Jack, without giving you the full context of what Charlie was trying to say to, to start a thoughtful discussion about what these terrible policies are going to make people feel right.

00:33:21.920 Like he doesn't, he was saying openly, I don't want to feel like that.

00:33:25.920 I, I want to look at every pilot, no matter the skin color and say, I know he's here cause he's qualified.

00:33:30.420 He was saying their quotas, which it wasn't Delta, I think it was, uh, United was saying we had to have 50% black pilots and female pilots with black people, only black men are only 6%, black people only 13% of the U S population.

00:33:45.260 Like that's going to be a real tough bar to pass.

00:33:49.140 That was his point.

00:33:50.180 They love to smear him.

00:33:51.940 None of this is an accident.

00:33:52.980 Go ahead.

00:33:54.300 None of this.

00:33:54.840 And I was on that podcast discussion with him where we were having that discussion.

00:33:58.920 And that's exactly what we were talking about.

00:34:00.760 We said the only way, just mathematically speaking, the only way that you could ever achieve those, achieve those numbers is by lowering standards the same.

00:34:06.640 And by the way, it's in the context of the lowering of standards that we've seen across the board, whether it be in the military, where Pete Hegseth is addressing this or in, uh, in medical fields or in medical schools, et cetera, et cetera.

00:34:18.120 But to, to go back to the, the context of, of the Virginia candidate and, you know, versus this group chat, I do think you need to put this in context because the context here is very direct.

00:34:30.480 The bullets are only going in one direction in this country, and we've been seeing it now for two years.

00:34:37.960 Thomas Matthew Crooks was up on that roof in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:34:41.740 We saw, uh, this guy who just was convicted down in West Palm beach, trying to kill president Trump on the golf course.

00:34:48.780 We saw, again, Luigi Maggioni, right?

00:34:51.440 This crazed, uh, you know, just, just Marxist anti-CEO killer up in New York city.

00:34:58.040 And then we see what happened to Charlie here.

00:35:00.120 So don't sit there and tell me that the context is anywhere near the same because it's just not, we know there's political violence in this country.

00:35:07.720 We know that people are doing it.

00:35:09.480 We know who's doing it.

00:35:10.600 We know where it's coming from.

00:35:11.600 And I don't care what junk science, you know, Reuters wants to cite, or they're going to go to some professor out of Rutgers.

00:35:16.940 The guy who's like an Antifa supporter and say, oh, well, he says the violence is all right-wing.

00:35:22.600 I say, well, what's this guy, what's, what's he done?

00:35:24.480 Well, he's got this book called the Antifa handbook.

00:35:26.680 And it, it's, it's so ridiculous to me when I sit there and I say, I can point to off the top of my head, multiple cases where violence was used against my friends, against people I know, against cases, and they celebrate it.

00:35:40.960 Megan, this is the difference too.

00:35:42.380 They celebrate it.

00:35:43.240 You just mentioned how in the wake of Charlie's murder, we had prayer vigils.

00:35:47.620 We had people sign up.

00:35:48.500 We had students sign up.

00:35:49.660 122 across the, 122,000 across the country.

00:35:52.020 We've had these tours come out.

00:35:52.960 You did a fantastic job down at Virginia Tech, right?

00:35:56.660 And we had a ton.

00:35:58.580 Glenn Beck was up in Montana.

00:36:00.240 Then we had North Dakota.

00:36:01.040 We went back to Utah, got 6,000 more.

00:36:02.760 You know what you didn't see?

00:36:03.840 You didn't see violence.

00:36:04.940 You didn't see a single person raised a fist in anger.

00:36:07.100 You didn't see a single person on the right come out and say, I'm going to, I'm going to go do something violent in retaliation for Charlie.

00:36:13.040 It just didn't happen.

00:36:13.940 I said this reporter on from the Atlantic the other day, who's, you know, was, um, you know, doing a piece on me or something.

00:36:19.320 And I was just like, you know what?

00:36:21.260 You know what?

00:36:22.320 Show me one, please show me one where you can find it.

00:36:25.380 And by the way, I wouldn't celebrate it if it did happen, but it didn't, it didn't happen because we are not those people.

00:36:32.780 You guys on the other side, you got a real problem and they refused to address it.

00:36:37.060 I can't help but feel that a large part of it is godlessness.

00:36:41.200 You and I have been talking.

00:36:42.620 I mean, it's, it's actually kind of funny that you and I are friends now because Charlie helped bring us together too.

00:36:47.120 You and I used to fight on Twitter.

00:36:49.160 We didn't like each other years ago.

00:36:51.080 And then slowly but surely, you know, the environment changed.

00:36:54.980 I was following you on Twitter.

00:36:56.040 I'm like, this guy makes so much sense.

00:36:57.720 You sent me a nice DM about my Twitter one time.

00:37:00.020 Then we got together backstage at a turning point event with Charlie right there.

00:37:03.980 That was Charlie.

00:37:05.240 Had a hug and like things change.

00:37:08.100 You know, he helped bring us together too.

00:37:09.980 But my, my point was simply that, you know, the environments shifted underneath our feet and they really are shooting our people now.

00:37:18.440 I mean, I've been pointing out to the audience, remembering four Republicans, including Trump, were shot at that Butler rally.

00:37:24.880 Four MAGA faithful were shot at that rally.

00:37:27.560 Then they tried to shoot Trump again the next month.

00:37:30.780 This guy who just was found guilty down in Florida.

00:37:34.220 And by the way, fired shots at Secret Service and almost got away with killing Trump at that.

00:37:39.620 I mean, thank God the Secret Service found that guy.

00:37:41.560 So, yeah, you're right.

00:37:42.620 It's our people who are in danger.

00:37:44.060 And I think it's godlessness, Jack, because, and like I watched you at Charlie's Memorial with those rosary beads in hand.

00:37:50.300 It was so powerful.

00:37:51.980 You, you and I have talked privately about, you know, the devil and trying to stave him off.

00:37:59.580 And I do think being steeped in faith is a comfort to us.

00:38:04.280 And I think the fact that so many on the left have lost all connection to it is what's driving some of that madness.

00:38:12.080 That's exactly right.

00:38:13.440 You, you, you lose God or even worse, you hate God.

00:38:18.500 You become resentful at God for creating you, for creating the world, for creating society.

00:38:24.480 And so that resentment breeds envy, it breeds anger, it breeds dissociation, it breeds disaffectedness.

00:38:32.280 And Charlie talked about this all the time.

00:38:34.460 He said, he would said the biggest problem in America right now is disenfranchised young men.

00:38:40.480 And he said, if we can get that question right, and that's, that's economics, that's the, the demonization of young men in America.

00:38:48.320 That's, you know, immigration obviously plays a huge role in that housing, all of it.

00:38:52.880 If you can get that right, you can actually fix so much of the problem in society because there's no path for a lot of these people.

00:39:00.400 But even if they have great grades, and by the way, many of the people I just mentioned that who've turned to this violence did have great grades, 1500 SATs, or a member of the robotics team, different things like this.

00:39:10.640 And it's that lack of God, that lack of humanity, that lack of understanding that we're all given certain talents, we're all given different talents, it makes us different.

00:39:22.040 And yes, that's totally fine.

00:39:23.840 But we can all be united in the fact that we're all from the same country, we all have one creator, we all have those shared values.

00:39:30.760 But if you lose God at the center of all of this, and that's why I believe that the social reformers and cultural Marxists, what they did in the 1960s, the very first thing they did was they made it, you know, disreputable to cite God in public, disreputable to talk about the Ten Commandments, disreputable to say, oh, you know, I read my favorite, what's your favorite book?

00:39:48.640 The Bible, right?

00:39:49.400 People would laugh.

00:39:50.020 It's not lots of favorite books, but that's the Bible.

00:39:51.940 Charlie would send me Bible verse every single morning.

00:39:54.880 He would just do this to a bunch of people.

00:39:56.120 Whatever he was reading, you know, he just texted off before we even, you know, it didn't matter what, you know, hit piece was coming out or what political scheme we were working on.

00:40:05.580 And not that we had any schemes.

00:40:06.500 I have no idea what you're talking about.

00:40:07.520 I completely deny all of that.

00:40:09.260 And, you know, we would start every day like that.

00:40:12.900 Every single day would start with a verse from Scripture and it'd just be whatever he was reading.

00:40:18.060 Or sometimes, you know, because I was East Coast, he was West Coast, you know, I might wake up earlier.

00:40:22.140 And we would share that back and forth.

00:40:24.200 And that was just at the center.

00:40:25.140 That was just the center of everything that we do.

00:40:27.700 And so to so many people who said, I don't understand how you guys can go on and how come you're doing all this.

00:40:34.240 And, you know, are you just, are you making it light?

00:40:35.780 But I said, no, no, no, no, no, we're not.

00:40:37.160 It's that we know that Charlie is with his creator.

00:40:41.440 And in fact, when we've, you know, I've gotten the show together and we have all the guys and myself and Tyler and Andrew and Blake.

00:40:47.080 And, you know, we get there, we always leave that one chair.

00:40:50.080 And Megan, when you came as well, you know, we left the chair empty.

00:40:52.440 And we say, we say Charlie's on assignment with God.

00:40:56.760 He's just on assignment with God.

00:40:58.560 And he's going to be on assignment because God has a higher purpose for him.

00:41:01.340 God always has a purpose for all of us.

00:41:03.200 In this case, he's got a different purpose for Charlie.

00:41:06.460 And, you know, it's tough to accept that.

00:41:09.840 It's tough to understand that in some way this is a higher will.

00:41:14.460 This is God's will.

00:41:15.880 I have trouble with it.

00:41:17.060 It's obviously a challenge, you know, because you sit there and you think, you know, why, you know, just one inch to the, you know, one inch to the right, God.

00:41:26.640 And maybe that would have been enough, but it is what it is.

00:41:29.440 Yeah, like why didn't Charlie turn his head like Trump did?

00:41:31.780 Why didn't Charlie just turn his head for that?

00:41:33.620 Yeah.

00:41:33.940 And honestly, I try really hard not to go down that path because, you know, when you go down that path, you just, it's the self-recriminations and the over and over.

00:41:44.620 And it's, it's recursive thinking and it's, it's, it's not good.

00:41:47.500 It's just, it's not good thinking.

00:41:48.680 It's not a good path to be down.

00:41:49.800 The much better path is the one that Charlie always focused on was put God at the center, put God at the center and understand that there is a reason for everything that happens.

00:42:00.200 And even in a case like this, there is a reason.

00:42:02.580 And I remember when, you know, when it happened and people were asking me, you know, could I do media?

00:42:07.080 Could I be out there and sort of just be a face while people are dealing with the arrangements and, and, and hospitals and, and, you know, every, everything that goes attendant with someone's passing.

00:42:19.960 And I said, you know what?

00:42:20.900 I could hear this little voice of Charlie in the back of my head that said, Jack, go do it.

00:42:24.820 Go do all of it.

00:42:26.620 That's what I want you to do.

00:42:28.500 And I said, okay.

00:42:29.240 So I just sat, you know, I'm right here in my home studio and I just sat and did media for about 24 hours straight and then hopped a plane.

00:42:37.080 Of course he wanted you to do it.

00:42:38.540 That's Charlie saying, keep going.

00:42:40.880 He would be so proud of you and the way that you've handled yourself in the wake of this terrible tragedy.

00:42:45.260 You've been just perfect, Jack.

00:42:47.640 You've been strong, but you've been honest about your emotions.

00:42:50.180 You've called back to faith many times and reminded us at every turn who Charlie really was.

00:42:55.540 And what was one of the many reasons I wanted to have you on today.

00:42:58.000 The connection to faith, the importance of it, and the leaning in is something that's resonating beyond right now, thanks to him.

00:43:07.080 And my team pulled this clip of Charlie talking about faith.

00:43:10.720 I hadn't seen this one, but I love it.

00:43:12.680 I'm going to play it now.

00:43:13.400 Here it is.

00:43:15.140 I don't go to UT and I'm not the legal age to vote yet.

00:43:18.160 And my parents are divorced and both of my parents have separate political views.

00:43:22.400 My mom's conservative and my dad's a liberal.

00:43:24.420 And my mom is always kind of pushing me to bring politics into my life.

00:43:27.740 And I was wondering, A, should I care?

00:43:30.320 And if I should, why?

00:43:31.760 And which parent should I lean more towards?

00:43:33.760 Got it.

00:43:34.240 I see you have a shirt here that says, whom shall I send?

00:43:37.380 Here I am.

00:43:37.880 By the way, the most important thing is to bring Jesus into your life.

00:43:40.460 Let me just make sure I say that.

00:43:41.960 Most important thing.

00:43:42.900 So the scriptures are very clear about this.

00:43:46.860 Christianity has a heavy emphasis on honoring your parents.

00:43:51.400 Now, to contrast that with the prior questioner, I don't think she's doing a good job of honoring

00:43:55.700 her parents because she's accusing them of being in a cult.

00:43:58.240 Even, this is very important, everybody, even if your parents share values and views and

00:44:04.200 a worldview that you do not have, you are biblically obligated to honor them, which means to spend

00:44:09.460 time with them and to love on them and to go visit them.

00:44:12.840 Even if they are wearing a Black Lives Matter and in this home that we have no hate and trans

00:44:18.400 lives, you still go and spend time with your parents.

00:44:21.280 Because if you are incapable, in this case, of honoring your earthly father, you will never

00:44:26.900 honor your heavenly father.

00:44:28.920 And it's very clear in the Ten Commandments, and I'll get down to the specific advice.

00:44:34.100 In the Ten Commandments, it is the only commandment, honor your mother and father so that you may

00:44:39.400 live long in the land of which you are in.

00:44:41.800 It is the only commandment that deals with a promise and your country.

00:44:47.160 You will cease to have a strong country, America, if we do not have kids honoring their parents.

00:44:52.800 Now, to your personal advice, find out what you believe and why you believe it.

00:44:57.720 If a parent ever tells you to do something that is sinful or goes against God, that is

00:45:02.960 a violation of what it means to honor them.

00:45:04.840 It doesn't mean you have to blindly obey them, but you must honor them, which really means

00:45:08.700 to treat them heavily, basically to treat that with a lot of weight.

00:45:12.400 I would instead be close to both of them.

00:45:14.500 It's a very difficult situation.

00:45:16.120 You're going to grow up a lot quicker because of it.

00:45:18.040 And come to your own independent political views and let them be known to each appropriate

00:45:23.360 parent.

00:45:25.760 Jack, it's so stunning because Charlie was saying basically to conservatives, no matter

00:45:31.600 how far to the left your parents are, love them, honor them, don't abandon them.

00:45:37.300 Like this is the this is the man that not the caricature that you read in The New York

00:45:43.580 Times.

00:45:44.180 They keep doubling down.

00:45:45.640 They continue to run hit pieces on him.

00:45:47.280 They cannot get enough bad ink spilled on Charlie.

00:45:49.960 I don't know if it's willful, right?

00:45:52.000 Like they they know who he was, but they just want to lie about it.

00:45:55.240 Or if it's if it's fear and they just have to interpret the limited clips they've seen

00:46:01.660 in the most negative way.

00:46:02.840 What are your thoughts?

00:46:05.140 Yeah, no, it's it's it's it is an interesting sense, you know, and I do think about some of

00:46:10.480 the New York Times, the newsroom uproar that we saw over the past couple of years where,

00:46:14.960 you know, again, they've just been completely beholden in so many of these cases to people

00:46:21.240 who have that particular belief system that is so woke so far left.

00:46:25.960 And I mean, it sounds cliched, so captured that they're not willing to look at the look

00:46:30.560 deeper at these clips.

00:46:31.340 Look, and you saw right there, Charlie, when when someone would come up and and, you know,

00:46:36.480 I didn't really catch this this person's politics, but let's say there's someone on

00:46:40.360 the left.

00:46:41.120 Charlie would go to them and say, I care about you.

00:46:44.240 I actually care about you personally.

00:46:46.240 And he did, by the way, and he would try to reach out to them and say, what are your personal

00:46:50.860 beliefs?

00:46:51.260 What are your values?

00:46:52.180 What drives you?

00:46:53.020 What do you would you care about?

00:46:54.180 What are your interests?

00:46:54.960 And so he would sidestep the political, you know, and I know that, you know, the the headlines

00:46:59.860 of the clips, you know, Charlie Kirk dunks on or Charlie district, but but he wasn't

00:47:03.620 like that.

00:47:04.200 And, you know, maybe, you know, maybe, you know, that's that's, you know, the algorithm

00:47:08.080 must playing into it a little too much.

00:47:09.420 But it's it.

00:47:10.280 Charlie was not like that.

00:47:11.340 Charlie would say, I care about you as a person.

00:47:14.240 And yet we may disagree, but hopefully we can come to the same place or at least come

00:47:18.040 to some agreement or clarity on that which we want, which is a better life for ourselves,

00:47:22.800 a better life for our families and a better life for others.

00:47:25.040 And by the way, you don't see that on the conservative side of shunning family members.

00:47:30.440 You don't see that of cutting people off of ostracizing.

00:47:33.740 That is one.

00:47:34.740 Again, it's one direction.

00:47:36.280 It always comes from the left.

00:47:38.360 This these are the people who say we won't show up for Thanksgiving.

00:47:40.740 We won't show up for Christmas.

00:47:42.200 We won't, you know, celebrate birthdays, et cetera, et cetera.

00:47:45.300 I won't be in the same room as that person.

00:47:47.380 Whereas the conservatives that I know, they'll say, yeah, well, we'll just talk about something

00:47:51.420 else.

00:47:51.640 We'll talk about, you know, we'll talk about like, well, I'm from Philadelphia, so we'll

00:47:55.620 say we'll talk about the Eagles, you know, whatever.

00:47:58.540 It's not going so well for them so far.

00:48:01.540 I mean, it could be a little bit better, but much better than the Phillies lately.

00:48:06.040 Doug loves the Eagles, too.

00:48:08.660 And I just know we've had a lot of shouting.

00:48:11.140 The Giants game was just a little a little.

00:48:14.060 We don't we don't need to talk about that.

00:48:15.540 We don't need to go there.

00:48:16.820 We had enough upsetting news happen lately.

00:48:19.440 I've got to ask you before you go, because I know that you are working very hard to get

00:48:23.000 the Republican elected in New Jersey in the governor's race, Cittarelli.

00:48:26.880 And he's got a real shot.

00:48:29.900 The Republican has a real shot of taking down this Democrat, this woman named Mikey

00:48:33.640 Sherrill, in part because she's not that compelling, but also because she's got this

00:48:39.760 scandal around her from her time at the U.S.

00:48:43.860 Naval Academy.

00:48:44.620 There was a cheating scandal the year that she graduated.

00:48:47.860 And we're now seeing her excuses start to change about why she personally was not allowed

00:48:53.640 to walk in the graduation.

00:48:55.660 Now, earlier, she said, I knew people who were implicated in it, and I didn't come forward

00:49:02.160 with the information.

00:49:03.440 That's why I didn't walk.

00:49:04.900 But now, just on October 8th, she said this is the reason she didn't walk.

00:49:09.860 Sat 41.

00:49:11.600 There were hundreds of people in my class that spoke to investigators.

00:49:17.320 When I did, I told them what I knew.

00:49:19.980 So now it's I spoke to the investigators and I told them what I knew.

00:49:23.660 So which is it?

00:49:25.140 And why do you think she's running so tightly with a Republican in a very blue state?

00:49:31.480 Well, look, I mean, this is because the Democrat policies are just so completely abhorrent in

00:49:36.420 New Jersey.

00:49:37.440 You look at her.

00:49:38.300 She's got that.

00:49:38.900 She lied about her insider training, the seven million dollars that she raised while a member

00:49:44.060 of Congress.

00:49:44.540 And the 94 cheating scandal is very infamous within the Navy and within the Navy Academy.

00:49:49.280 I certainly remember hearing about it.

00:49:50.900 And they talk about it all the time, even when we still take officer tests and things

00:49:53.800 like that.

00:49:54.780 And look, it's very simple.

00:49:56.960 Release the records.

00:49:57.940 Why are your records sealed?

00:49:58.920 She could release them today if she wanted to put this to bed, but she won't do it.

00:50:02.780 And there's a reason for that.

00:50:03.860 And her husband as well.

00:50:04.840 There's a reason they've lawyered up rather than simply say, look, I have nothing to hide.

00:50:08.460 Here's my records.

00:50:09.140 Why not?

00:50:11.040 It's fascinating.

00:50:12.040 I mean, I have I spend the summers in New Jersey and I would be so thrilled if we managed

00:50:16.360 to get a Republican governor.

00:50:17.660 I mean, between the nightmare windmills they've been doing there, the energy policies in general,

00:50:23.060 the taxes, the most tax state in the union, it's time for a change.

00:50:27.180 And I think New Jersey residents know it.

00:50:29.680 Do the right thing.

00:50:31.120 Jack Posobiec, thank you so much for being here.

00:50:33.120 It's great to see you.

00:50:34.720 Thank you, Megan.

00:50:35.260 And God bless.

00:50:36.560 Yeah, you too.

00:50:37.580 Wow.

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00:52:26.700 We absolutely have to keep talking.

00:52:29.640 It's more important now than ever.

00:52:31.840 To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer.

00:52:36.240 And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am cancelling one stop on this tour.

00:52:41.720 Not one stop.

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00:52:52.640 We're going to make it safe for me.

00:52:53.600 We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you.

00:52:56.560 We're going coast to coast and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real to honor him.

00:53:04.240 I really now more than ever would love to see you all face-to-face.

00:53:09.180 God, I would love to see you face-to-face.

00:53:12.240 I need to see you face-to-face.

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00:53:20.280 California Democratic candidate for governor Katie Porter is back on camera.

00:53:29.040 I mean, you got to give her credit for courage after her disastrous press last week following a brutal interview and resurfaced videos of her berating her staff.

00:53:43.180 Plus, Kamala Harris continues her book tour with more incoherent jumble.

00:53:47.000 Joining me now to discuss all of it, Anna Kasparian, host and executive producer of The Young Turks.

00:53:53.700 Anna, welcome back.

00:53:54.620 How are you doing?

00:53:55.900 I'm doing well.

00:53:56.780 Thank you for having me.

00:53:58.420 You're absolutely killing it lately with some of the things that you've been willing to defend yourself on.

00:54:03.820 And I just want to commend you for that right off the bat.

00:54:05.920 Oh, thank you.

00:54:07.080 You're so sweet.

00:54:07.880 Thank you.

00:54:08.380 Another day in the life, right?

00:54:09.760 I mean, this is the business we're in.

00:54:12.300 This is the business we've chosen.

00:54:13.700 Okay, the media gods have given us an array of riches today, so we'll kick it off with Katie Porter.

00:54:21.900 Every day I wake up refreshing my ex-feed for another Katie Porter video.

00:54:26.960 And the heavens lately really have been providing.

00:54:30.100 She's not going underground.

00:54:31.860 She decided to sit down with yet another interviewer.

00:54:34.040 This is Nexstar's Inside California Politics show.

00:54:37.440 And it almost looked like she was going to snap again, but she managed to hold it together.

00:54:43.140 But it did get a little tense.

00:54:44.360 Let's start with SOT 27.

00:54:47.300 Should California voters feel confident that there aren't any more Katie Porter videos out there?

00:54:55.380 Well, what I know is that I could have done better in those moments.

00:54:58.280 I'm going to be focused on earning their votes and earning their trust.

00:55:01.840 That's true in every election.

00:55:03.300 But not just the CBS interview, the interview with the staffer.

00:55:06.340 Can voters be confident that there won't be another one of those videos that's going to come to light?

00:55:12.660 What I do know is that I could have done better on that situation.

00:55:15.400 That's not a no.

00:55:16.060 So is there potentially another video that we're going to see?

00:55:19.340 Nikki, I'm going to be honest with you.

00:55:21.340 I know that that video and that video was several years ago, as you know, and apologize to the staffer.

00:55:28.560 That's super important to me and will continue to try to hold myself to do better.

00:55:33.920 That's that's what I can promise.

00:55:35.600 But not that there's not going to be any more videos because that's that's what people are wondering.

00:55:38.960 Are we going to see something else like that?

00:55:42.980 I can tell you what I've told you, which is that I am taking responsibility for this situation.

00:55:47.460 And I'm also not going to back down from for fighting back for California, from being tough.

00:55:55.000 Oh, boy, there was not a no there, Anna.

00:55:58.360 And I think we both know why.

00:56:00.940 Right.

00:56:01.540 I'm I mean, I can't say I'm sure I wouldn't be surprised if other videos start to leak.

00:56:06.440 And, you know, it's interesting because I'm going to be fully honest about the fact that I used to actually be a pretty big supporter of Katie Porter when she was in Congress.

00:56:15.420 You know, during some of the hearings with bankers, with, you know, corporate executives, you know, she'd pull out her whiteboard.

00:56:22.600 She would ask difficult questions.

00:56:24.340 But I realized in retrospect that a lot of that was just political theater, because when push came to shove and the question of money and politics came up, she was actually very defensive about Citizens United, corporate PAC money and all of that.

00:56:39.060 So that was when I personally started to sour on her.

00:56:42.060 There had been allegations from members of her staff, previous members of her staff, of course, and she has a lot of turnover where they accused her of being abusive.

00:56:50.940 I believe her ex-husband also made similar allegations.

00:56:54.100 Yes, incendiary ones in the Daily Mail.

00:56:58.060 Exactly, exactly.

00:56:59.200 And then the final like nail in the coffin for me was the fact that she is running for governor of California.

00:57:05.600 So obviously she was asked about a proposition that two, four, I'm sorry, three fourths of Californians voted in favor of.

00:57:13.680 And that was Prop 36, which sought to roll back some of the soft on crime policies that actually really hurt this state.

00:57:23.380 And one of the biggest issues right now is that our Democratic legislature, along with Governor Gavin Newsom, refused to provide the adequate funding in order to make sure we are holding people accountable when they commit crimes over and over and over again.

00:57:38.020 It appears that Katie Porter is not in favor of that proposition, but it doesn't matter what she's in favor of.

00:57:45.840 You should be supportive of what the people of California want, especially if you're running to be the chief executive of this state.

00:57:53.280 Right. And so substantively on policy, I have soured on her, but also her behavior is just unacceptable.

00:58:00.640 You should be expecting difficult questions and follow ups when you're doing these interviews.

00:58:05.240 The fact that she was upset at follow up questions really doesn't inspire or it doesn't make me inspired by her and it doesn't really show that she's a real leader, you know?

00:58:19.580 Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, like you're going to face a lot more tough challenges as governor of California than some follow up questions by a nice reporter.

00:58:27.940 The CBS reporter that was not going for the jugular. In fact, it looked, if you watch the interview, almost like they had given Katie Porter the questions in advance, which in this case might not have been bad because this is an investigative reporter who's like, this is my thing.

00:58:43.220 I'm going to ask these same 10 questions to all candidates. So, you know, perhaps they were very open by saying, here are the 10 questions.

00:58:50.260 Go ahead. Do your homework. We want to hear what your answers are.

00:58:52.620 But Katie seemed to be familiar with this woman's list and she's very irritated that she just didn't leave it at the surface level list.

00:59:00.340 I think everybody's seen it by now, but we can watch a little bit of it here in SOT 29.

00:59:05.960 Do you think you need any of those 40 percent of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't.

00:59:11.120 No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that.

00:59:16.620 Well, to those voters. OK, so so you I don't want to keep doing this.

00:59:19.620 I'm going to call it. Thank you. Jesus, you're not going to do the interview with us.

00:59:25.400 Nope. Not like this. I'm not not with seven follow ups to every single question you ask.

00:59:29.400 Every other candidate has. I don't care. I don't care.

00:59:32.580 I want to have a pleasant, positive conversation, which you ask me about every issue on this list.

00:59:37.180 This is news, man. If every question you're going to make up a follow up question, then we're never going to get there.

00:59:43.080 And we're just going to circle around. I am an investigative reporter.

00:59:45.700 You've never had to do this before ever. You've never had to have a conversation to end an interview.

00:59:52.080 OK, but every other candidate has done this.

00:59:54.380 What part of I'm me? I'm running for governor because I'm a leader.

00:59:58.660 I don't want to have a leader.

01:00:00.100 I'm a leader. Happy experience with you. And I don't want this all on camera.

01:00:03.000 I don't want to have an unhappy experience with you either.

01:00:06.040 Ladies, this is news. It's the vast majority of experiences will be unpleasant and unhappy.

01:00:11.520 That's so crazy. Like that whole exchange was so insane to me.

01:00:16.720 You know, I'm I'm not a politician, but as someone who works in media, as someone who openly shares her opinion, of course, I'm going to find myself in hostile environments and hostile conversations and debates.

01:00:27.560 I literally in the middle of a debate this year had a tampon thrown at me by a man and I didn't run away from the debate because, look, your little stunt, whatever.

01:00:41.060 I'm going to ignore it. I'm here to debate the substance.

01:00:43.820 So this was an opportunity for Katie Porter to show that she is a strong leader, a woman of substance.

01:00:50.500 It is hilarious to me that she referred to herself as a leader.

01:00:54.100 Now she was threatening to run away from a from a conversation, from an interview.

01:00:58.740 I'm a leader. I'm a leader. Crazy.

01:01:00.940 So, you know, I'm a leader as I run.

01:01:03.600 It was so leaders don't run.

01:01:05.700 No. And they don't call themselves leaders.

01:01:08.100 I mean, like, that's the thing, right?

01:01:09.320 Like they don't run around saying I'm a leader.

01:01:11.120 I lead. That's what I do. People follow and they lead.

01:01:13.720 And when I lead, here's a little bit more from that same new interview with Next Stars Inside California Politics happened Tuesday, South 28.

01:01:22.240 So this is your first time speaking publicly since the now two viral videos.

01:01:27.180 What do you want people to know about you?

01:01:29.980 And do you have the temperament to be the next governor of California?

01:01:33.800 When I look at those videos, I want people to know that I understand that I could have handled things better.

01:01:41.120 I think I'm known as someone who's able to handle tough questions, who's willing to answer questions.

01:01:46.580 And I want people to know that I really value the incredible work that my staff can do.

01:01:51.220 I think I can people who know me know I can be tough, but I need to do a better job expressing appreciation for the amazing work that my team does.

01:01:58.680 Okay, so let's, can we just spend a minute discussing all the ways in which that was ineffective?

01:02:04.280 Like there's not an authentic thing about one word she spoke, right?

01:02:09.200 That's not how an authentic truth teller speaks.

01:02:12.660 They would just be much more casual.

01:02:14.520 Those are rehearsed, written down lines that her team has given to her.

01:02:19.340 And it's just obvious.

01:02:20.560 It's obvious if you're like a media personality like you and I are, or if you're a civilian at home, just because your gut will tell you it's off.

01:02:30.960 Well, I mean, the problem is her authentic self is what has gotten her in trouble.

01:02:37.540 And so what you're seeing on that screen right now is, you know, Katie Porter trying to kind of suppress who she really is and give people what she thinks they want.

01:02:50.240 Just calm.

01:02:51.320 I'm going to be calm.

01:02:52.260 I'm going to be calm.

01:02:52.980 Like as I watch that exchange, you're right.

01:02:55.700 It doesn't come across as authentic because it seems like she's trying to convince herself to not lose it, to remain calm.

01:03:02.440 And again, because of all of this drama over her behavior, it gives Californians less of an opportunity to learn about her substance or lack of substance.

01:03:13.400 Right.

01:03:13.880 And so, look, I've been talking about this very, very vocally.

01:03:18.340 I've been very vocal about the situation on the ground in California.

01:03:21.340 We're in a lot of trouble.

01:03:22.780 You know, liberals get really upset when one of their own or someone center left calls this out.

01:03:29.420 But it needs to be called out because people in the state are suffering.

01:03:32.900 We pay the highest taxes.

01:03:34.860 Jobs are leaving the state at record numbers.

01:03:38.540 People are suffering.

01:03:39.640 We have a housing crisis that hasn't been adequately dealt with.

01:03:43.020 Crime has gotten a little better.

01:03:44.660 But the fact of the matter is we have overcrowded prisons because our governor decided to prematurely shut down four of our state prisons, which is honestly the big story that gets ignored.

01:03:56.320 The reason why so many people get let out early when they're violent criminals, the reason why so many repeat offenders never see a prison cell is because we don't have any room for them.

01:04:07.680 And that is a disaster that was created by Gavin Newsom, a Democratic governor.

01:04:13.700 So I want to know, what is Katie Porter going to do about that if she wins this election?

01:04:18.620 Now, I don't think she's going to win this election.

01:04:20.680 But, you know, when I look at this race, I really don't know if there's anyone running who can adequately address the very serious issues that we have in the state.

01:04:31.160 Steve Hilton's running out there as a Republican.

01:04:33.920 I mean, last I checked, Katie Porter was number one and he was number two.

01:04:36.840 So so it's not like your typical race in which he'd have no chance.

01:04:41.100 I guess it's not really a Democrat primary we're looking at right now.

01:04:45.520 You guys vote for governor in a weird way out there, right?

01:04:48.280 It's like, I don't know.

01:04:49.840 You kind of shake up all the puzzle pieces and whichever top two are standing.

01:04:53.540 Those are the two that go against each other.

01:04:54.920 Well, yeah, and what I'm curious about is whether Rick Caruso, who ran for mayor in Los Angeles and was, you know, beaten by Karen Bass, if he's going to put his name in the race, because I actually think he has in the mayoral race.

01:05:13.520 He provided very detailed plans to address the serious issues in Los Angeles.

01:05:20.200 And, you know, there were some rumors that he was considering a gubernatorial run in California.

01:05:24.940 I would actually like to see that, to be honest with you, because I want to see what his possible solutions could be on a state level as opposed to just a Los Angeles city level.

01:05:34.440 I'm sure you, along with most Californians, are feeling forlorn about the fact that Kamala decided not to go for the top job in the state, given her political prowess, which has been on full display as she promotes her book, 107 Days.

01:05:49.940 She most recently went on with Kara Swisher, and Swisher seemed to be asking her why wasn't 107 Days enough time.

01:05:59.960 And you tell me whether you can figure out what the answer is here in SOP 21.

01:06:05.420 But, for example, I discuss in the timeline, we had policy work to do that was about letting people know where I stood on the fact that I wanted to make sure that, for example, it was my intention.

01:06:23.960 And I know there are a lot of beautiful public servants here today, some of who are not, have been let go over the last several months, and some of who are furloughed.

01:06:35.940 And I thank you all for your service and everything that you do.

01:06:38.840 And if we can just applaud those who are here.

01:06:41.760 But, for example, one of the things that I intended to do was, as the president,

01:06:51.720 we then have the largest workforce, right, is the federal government.

01:06:58.680 And I intended to figure out a way to reclassify job descriptions by skill, not just by college degree.

01:07:07.300 I just tried to write it down.

01:07:13.280 It was my intention.

01:07:14.320 For example, lots of public policy, been laid off, applaud.

01:07:19.820 One of the things I intended to do, we have the largest workforce.

01:07:23.140 Of course, this is so classic Kamala, where she uses so many words to say absolutely nothing.

01:07:31.480 I don't know what happened to her.

01:07:34.200 Because even if you disagree with her politics, she used to be able to speak, right?

01:07:39.820 I mean, am I misremembering?

01:07:41.780 Because I remember during-

01:07:43.740 She was like a rising star when she became AG in California.

01:07:46.540 There was all this buzz around this, like, next-gen rising star.

01:07:49.720 But I never really bothered to kick the tires back then because it was state politics.

01:07:53.960 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:07:55.400 I mean, one of the, I guess, national issues that she was involved in as senator was the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.

01:08:03.500 Now, put the substance of those hearings aside for a minute, regardless of where you stood on Brett Kavanaugh.

01:08:08.920 When she was grilling him, she came across as someone who was able to speak,

01:08:15.040 someone who was able to ask difficult questions,

01:08:17.060 someone who was able to get her point across pretty quickly.

01:08:19.920 I don't know how you rise to the level of a prominent prosecutor, you know,

01:08:25.480 and don't know how to make an argument, don't know how to just speak concisely, clearly, directly.

01:08:34.460 I don't know.

01:08:35.240 I just feel like, especially during the Biden administration, something happened with her.

01:08:40.100 I don't know if she's just nervous.

01:08:42.180 I don't know if she's on Xanax.

01:08:45.120 It sounds like she's on some sort of prescription drug, right?

01:08:48.880 She slurs a little bit.

01:08:50.180 Yeah, often.

01:08:50.660 She doesn't, yeah, she doesn't make her point, clearly.

01:08:53.240 So I don't know.

01:08:53.780 I don't know what's going on with her.

01:08:54.740 I'm just really happy she's not running for governor of California.

01:08:56.960 You raise an interesting point because I will tell you, some of that is familiar to me as,

01:09:03.280 like, from my Fox years because when I first started off as an anchor, you'd say things on

01:09:09.700 the air, you know, you'd do an interview.

01:09:12.320 I wasn't in the business of giving my opinion back then.

01:09:14.300 I was a straight news anchor there.

01:09:15.960 But, you know, well, like all of Fox, you're a little on the edge even when you're on the

01:09:20.480 straight news side.

01:09:21.720 So, you know, you kind of go there a little bit, but not too much.

01:09:25.040 But anyway, you learned fast that you'd get your hand slapped hard by all of the media

01:09:30.960 if you said things they didn't like.

01:09:32.800 And of course, on Fox, you did that a lot.

01:09:34.660 And so there was a point in my career in which I felt like I'd been so, like, battered by,

01:09:39.760 like, oh, I can't say that and I can't say that and I can't say the other thing because

01:09:41.880 I'm going to get battered by the press.

01:09:43.120 And I still am in this place in my career where that matters to me.

01:09:45.820 Like, I seem to care what the left-wing press, meaning the press, says about me.

01:09:49.780 So I remember sounding something like that.

01:09:53.320 It was never quite as bad as she is.

01:09:54.340 But, like, every phrase had to be qualified, had to be a catchphrase.

01:09:57.720 If you said something bold, you had to quickly follow it up with something that suggested.

01:10:01.500 But I don't really mean it.

01:10:02.460 And I understand I need to qualify it because you're so battered by it.

01:10:06.540 You want to be loved.

01:10:08.460 And eventually, of course, I got past that, thank God, while I was still at Fox and certainly

01:10:12.100 now.

01:10:13.460 And then you can be a clear, honest communicator.

01:10:15.800 But I almost see somebody who's got that handicap where it's like, I'm going to get

01:10:20.120 in trouble there and there.

01:10:21.460 And also I got and then they disassemble.

01:10:25.700 Mm hmm.

01:10:26.500 Yeah.

01:10:26.980 You know what?

01:10:27.540 You make a really good point.

01:10:28.600 And for anyone who's in the public eye and who wants to be admired and validated by everyone,

01:10:37.220 you are digging yourself into a hole.

01:10:39.380 Like, you just have to be yourself and you have to be authentic and you have to expect

01:10:44.020 that you are going to have views and say things that one group or another is just not going

01:10:50.080 to like.

01:10:50.520 But what people appreciate and this is like one of the best things about Americans, they

01:10:55.940 love authenticity.

01:10:56.720 I think that's actually what was appealing about Donald Trump when he first ran in the

01:11:02.700 Republican primary in 2015.

01:11:04.080 Right.

01:11:04.600 He said all sorts of things that people didn't like, but they knew he was actually telling

01:11:09.300 them what he really thinks.

01:11:11.240 And that authenticity in the environment of all these fake politicians was very appealing.

01:11:17.500 When you look at members of the Democratic Party right now, they have not gotten that

01:11:21.420 message yet, save for a few people.

01:11:24.340 And look, even on the Republican side, you have someone like Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor

01:11:28.900 Green, who is saying things that are considered like sacrilege when it comes to the Republican

01:11:35.540 Party.

01:11:36.300 But she is garnering a lot of positive attention from rank and file Republicans, but also people

01:11:44.220 who are center left who are like, oh, my God, I totally agree with her on what she's saying

01:11:48.820 here.

01:11:49.660 Maybe there's a way to work together.

01:11:51.700 For the first time in my adult life, I'm seeing opportunities for people on both sides

01:11:57.280 of the political aisle to work together for a common cause.

01:12:00.500 And that's a wonderful thing.

01:12:02.100 But I think the establishment, the Democratic establishment, is still very much in the mindset

01:12:06.340 of everything is a left versus right paradigm.

01:12:09.760 There are enemies because they identify as Republicans.

01:12:12.300 And we're never going to give them credit when they agree with us on things.

01:12:15.600 We're going to continue feeding into division and divisive rhetoric.

01:12:20.840 And I think rank and file Americans, ordinary American voters are sick of it.

01:12:25.780 So we'll see how this plays out.

01:12:27.940 The effort to lower the cost of prescription drugs.

01:12:30.420 That was the one thing I really wanted to talk to you about, because you were on the show

01:12:32.920 like a year ago saying, why isn't anybody doing anything about this?

01:12:35.980 And then Trump actually said, I'm actually going to try to do something about this.

01:12:39.320 And I was waiting for the chorus of leftists to be like, actually, this is great.

01:12:43.820 You know, I'm this is good.

01:12:45.940 This is a step in the right direction.

01:12:47.340 No, it didn't happen because of the TDS.

01:12:49.900 But wait, something you just said reminded me something.

01:12:52.300 Katie Porter, you were right that her authentic self is not that likable.

01:12:56.480 But you're also right that you fail if you're not authentic.

01:13:00.440 So, like, I think Katie Porter actually probably would have done better if she had come out

01:13:05.200 and said, the woman was annoying.

01:13:08.620 Let me tell you how that exchange was built.

01:13:10.760 Totally.

01:13:11.180 They said it's going to be 10 straight questions.

01:13:13.460 And everyone just gets asked these 10 straight.

01:13:15.520 And I thought I'd do it.

01:13:16.940 You know, she was mildly antagonistic.

01:13:18.680 Go look at the interview.

01:13:19.520 I think you can give me that point.

01:13:21.080 And, you know, I was annoyed.

01:13:22.800 I do a lot of these interviews.

01:13:24.420 She was fucking annoying.

01:13:25.440 And I'm not sorry.

01:13:26.420 No, like she probably would have been so much better off if she did that.

01:13:31.140 I have to agree with you.

01:13:32.800 Yeah, I actually think that is the case.

01:13:34.580 The fact that she became defensive, apologetic.

01:13:37.420 Now, look, I don't think that would convince all of her critics to then support her, you

01:13:42.000 know, after those videos came out after that interview was a complete and utter disaster

01:13:46.500 for her.

01:13:47.120 But I do think that for those who are kind of on the fence, seeing her be apologetic as

01:13:54.480 opposed to defend herself, I think worked against her.

01:13:58.360 It is true.

01:13:58.820 We're just living in that culture right now.

01:14:01.540 If I had been Katie Porter, the video where she's telling the staffer, you're in my fucking

01:14:06.300 shot.

01:14:06.660 Get in my fucking shot.

01:14:08.240 I think I would have said if I were Katie Porter, I would have been like, she was in

01:14:12.140 the shot.

01:14:12.720 I don't know how to explain TV to you, but it's a hard no.

01:14:15.760 I'm doing a taped piece with Kathleen Sebelius.

01:14:18.660 Your staff should know.

01:14:20.120 Do not get in the shot and really don't get in the shot to correct something I've just

01:14:24.520 said.

01:14:24.860 But so, yeah, I was irritated.

01:14:26.640 And when I'm irritated, sometimes I use the F word.

01:14:28.800 And too bad if you don't like it.

01:14:29.820 Don't vote for me if you don't like that.

01:14:31.260 It's the least of what you'd hear from Donald Trump behind the scenes.

01:14:34.020 You know, like something like that.

01:14:35.280 If I were Katie, Katie, that would have been so much better than this fake act of like,

01:14:39.780 I'll do better.

01:14:41.160 And I've told my staff that it's like everyone knows she's going to yell at her staff for

01:14:45.860 an on an ongoing basis.

01:14:47.040 The staff is terrified of her.

01:14:48.420 They're all leaking to every publication about how awful she is.

01:14:51.760 Might as well just lean in.

01:14:53.140 Just be like, this is me.

01:14:55.240 Yeah, I mean, again, I don't think it'll convince everyone, but it would probably work better

01:15:00.700 than how she has handled this.

01:15:02.800 You just reminded me of this moment.

01:15:04.600 It's actually a pretty viral video from Trump's first term.

01:15:08.080 He's in the Oval Office.

01:15:09.480 He's about to be interviewed.

01:15:10.640 And I think it was George Stephanopoulos.

01:15:13.160 He was coughing like off screen, off camera.

01:15:17.100 And Trump didn't curse him out or anything, but he said something a little curt, you know,

01:15:22.020 just basically like, we do something about this, like, you know, and it was hilarious.

01:15:26.100 It was funny.

01:15:27.080 Right.

01:15:27.560 And so he never apologized for it.

01:15:29.600 He never really made a big deal about it.

01:15:31.760 And it was just a human moment of a prominent politician.

01:15:36.900 You can maybe spin it that way.

01:15:39.380 But again, it goes back to the issue of, are you a savvy and crafty political figure?

01:15:46.240 And I just don't think that Katie Porter serves that role at all.

01:15:51.060 Yeah.

01:15:51.680 Yeah.

01:15:52.080 She just kind of projects hot mess.

01:15:54.200 That's part of her problem.

01:15:55.640 Yeah.

01:15:55.800 There was that one Trump interview when he was just civilian Trump, businessman Trump

01:15:59.420 many years ago on Larry, Larry King, where he's sitting across from Larry King in that

01:16:04.280 CNN studio with like the highlight, you know, like the game highlight where you put the pegs

01:16:08.600 in the wall and they light up light bright.

01:16:10.340 That's what it was.

01:16:11.160 It looks like a light bright display behind him.

01:16:13.100 And Trump goes, oh, my God, your breath is terrible.

01:16:16.420 You have really bad.

01:16:17.140 You know, it's not nice, but it was a human moment.

01:16:23.400 Yeah.

01:16:23.920 And I think, again, most Americans are just so sick of fake politicians.

01:16:30.460 They really are.

01:16:31.840 So if you can take take a moment that maybe doesn't look great for you and spin it as this

01:16:37.780 is me.

01:16:38.420 I'm being authentic.

01:16:39.360 I'm human.

01:16:40.640 You have your human moments, too.

01:16:42.020 I think that's probably the best way of, you know, wiggling your way out of a bad situation.

01:16:48.080 That's what she should have.

01:16:48.760 She should have been like she shouldn't have been in the shot.

01:16:52.280 Now, it wasn't the nicest language.

01:16:54.680 To be honest, that's how I talk.

01:16:56.740 I talk that way to everyone.

01:16:58.020 I talk that way to the people I love.

01:16:59.660 I don't like whatever.

01:17:00.920 But this this little act of like I'm actually a Pollyanna.

01:17:04.560 And those were just a couple of weird, random, bad moments.

01:17:07.360 But I won't swear off on there being no more videos because I damn well know there are.

01:17:11.520 It's not working.

01:17:12.700 OK, let's keep going.

01:17:13.460 There's one more Kamala Sot.

01:17:15.340 This one seems to be a reference to the they're eating the dogs.

01:17:19.880 They're eating the cats moment at that one debate between Kamala and Trump.

01:17:24.260 Here we go.

01:17:26.360 The debate.

01:17:27.580 Look, I mean, OK, so part of it is.

01:17:31.240 So what happened was.

01:17:32.660 Oh, God.

01:17:34.960 Oh, no.

01:17:36.620 The cat.

01:17:37.060 So, OK, so part of what I do talk about is that.

01:17:42.320 So debate camp, which was really intense.

01:17:46.680 And then we get to to Philly and my team.

01:17:51.300 And it's Kirsten Allen, who many people here may know, and Brian Fallon.

01:17:57.080 And they're getting me ready.

01:17:58.560 And they're like, hey, boss.

01:18:00.320 So we saw Donald Trump coming off the plane, coming to the debate.

01:18:05.160 And Laura Loomer was on the plane with him.

01:18:07.300 No.

01:18:07.560 And so they basically say to me, we didn't tell you, but she's been talking about people

01:18:15.620 eating cats and dogs.

01:18:17.300 And they said, we think we need to tell you because his his propensity is to say the last

01:18:22.260 thing he heard.

01:18:23.460 Oh.

01:18:26.040 And sure enough, on the debate stage, he said it.

01:18:29.940 He said it.

01:18:31.180 I couldn't believe it.

01:18:34.040 And you were ready.

01:18:35.360 Yeah.

01:18:36.640 I was prepped, but not really.

01:18:42.880 Unhinged.

01:18:43.920 OK.

01:18:48.000 I mean, look, I'm going to be honest about the fact that the attention to that issue,

01:18:55.040 I think, actually hurts Republicans who were who had more of a moral high ground on the

01:19:01.840 issue of immigration at that time.

01:19:04.640 And so it gave Democrats something to attack the Trump administration on legitimately at

01:19:11.060 a time when I think I'm not the Trump administration, the Trump campaign at a time when I think the

01:19:15.800 Trump campaign actually did have a legitimate point about what had happened with the border

01:19:21.540 and undocumented immigration under the Biden administration.

01:19:25.040 You hear what I'm saying?

01:19:26.460 And this is the thing that drives me crazy about like some, not all, but some Democratic

01:19:30.640 voters where they will latch on to one lie right about people eating cats and dogs to

01:19:37.880 delegitimize a very legitimate issue that various communities across the country were grappling

01:19:43.920 with without any real support or help from the federal government under the Biden

01:19:48.500 administration.

01:19:49.600 So, again, I thought that was a bad move by the Trump campaign.

01:19:53.580 That being said, OK, so you got briefed on it.

01:19:57.220 I don't remember her having an incredibly powerful response to Trump's statement there.

01:20:03.720 No, I think it was the moderators.

01:20:06.080 Right, exactly.

01:20:07.180 The moderators were the ones who, if I remember correctly, weighed in on that.

01:20:10.760 But I think what made Kamala Harris lucky in that one and only debate against Donald Trump

01:20:15.460 was I remember Trump having very low energy for whatever reason during that debate.

01:20:20.360 And so I remember conservative voters being upset about that, people thinking that maybe

01:20:26.000 Kamala really has a shot.

01:20:27.580 But then after that debate, things really fell apart for her campaign because she didn't

01:20:32.380 really know what her message was or what she was representing or what she was fighting

01:20:36.580 for.

01:20:37.000 You know, she started off with some economic populism.

01:20:41.560 Then she meets with her brother-in-law, who's an executive over at Uber, and then starts pushing

01:20:47.260 pro-tech policies, pro-corporate policies.

01:20:50.880 And so the base that she had started to abandon her.

01:20:54.400 She read a terrible campaign.

01:20:55.640 Let's just keep it real.

01:20:57.520 Mm hmm.

01:20:57.940 The problem is, like, whether she had points or didn't have points on the dogs and the

01:21:01.720 cats and all that, and the memes that were spiked as a result of or started as a result

01:21:05.500 were, like, are one of the most memorable things with all the cats dancing and, like,

01:21:09.740 with Trump as their savior.

01:21:11.720 It's just epic.

01:21:12.840 Oh, my gosh.

01:21:13.980 But the problem is embodied in the answer.

01:21:18.960 The cackling, the fake accent.

01:21:21.560 She slipped into her street accent.

01:21:23.460 There's show enough.

01:21:24.680 She doesn't talk like that, right?

01:21:26.660 Right.

01:21:26.860 Like, one day she was Puerto Rican, the next she was Indian, the next she was Latina, then

01:21:31.480 she had her preacher accent.

01:21:33.080 It was like, you don't know who you are.

01:21:35.900 Forget whether I know who you are.

01:21:37.820 You don't know who you are.

01:21:39.900 It's like Sybil, like one, like the movie Sybil.

01:21:43.500 Sally Field all in one sitting with the cackle and the leg bouncing out of nerves.

01:21:48.580 You know, that's a nervous body response that she's in.

01:21:50.900 And the weird references to the names of the campaign staffers, which no one gives a shit

01:21:55.320 about, like, that's a stall tactic because she's feeling nervous.

01:21:58.600 All of it.

01:21:59.340 Same thing as, like, media personalities can dissect it and digest it.

01:22:03.260 The civilian consumers at home going, I don't like it.

01:22:06.660 She's not comfortable.

01:22:08.460 She doesn't feel like a strong leader.

01:22:10.580 And, I mean, I'll tell you, and I look at her, I'm like, thank God we did not get saddled

01:22:15.700 with that woman.

01:22:16.820 Thank God.

01:22:17.660 Does anyone think that woman would have accomplished the peace deal that they just signed in the

01:22:23.780 Middle East or anything that Trump has done?

01:22:27.000 I mean, I don't know what her leadership would look like, to be honest with you, because

01:22:31.060 she was VP for four years and I didn't see any leadership from her during those four years

01:22:36.180 at all.

01:22:36.900 In fact, you know, the one area where I think Biden kind of set her up to fail, quite frankly,

01:22:41.960 as the immigration czar, it was a disaster for her.

01:22:47.880 I mean, it was such a disaster that during the 2024 election, the Democrats were pretending

01:22:55.740 like Biden didn't name her the immigration czar.

01:22:59.100 She absolutely was named that.

01:23:00.660 Come on.

01:23:01.380 She went to Guatemala and basically her big play was to tell people, do not come.

01:23:06.920 Well, they didn't listen.

01:23:07.700 OK, the world didn't listen.

01:23:10.480 And so, you know, to your point about the way that she presents herself and how she does

01:23:16.680 do a little bit of code switching.

01:23:17.820 But to be fair, I see a lot of politicians who engage in that.

01:23:21.520 The problem with that is it's more identity politics theater as opposed to real, substantive,

01:23:29.940 detailed solutions to problems that Americans at that time especially were really suffering

01:23:35.540 from.

01:23:35.980 Right.

01:23:36.580 So immigration was a problem.

01:23:38.760 In fact, poll after poll after poll indicated that the vast majority of Americans had that

01:23:43.780 as one of their policy priorities, along with the cost of living.

01:23:48.320 And so if you don't have a real policy that you're going to promote as part of your campaign

01:23:55.100 and you're just going to lean into more of the identity politics, I got I got some news

01:24:00.000 for you.

01:24:00.520 Like, American voters are sick of that.

01:24:03.220 They're sick of the theater.

01:24:04.200 They need real solutions.

01:24:05.480 And I think that Trump did run on policy proposals, what he wants to do, whether it's the tariffs,

01:24:13.580 immigration, you know, cost of living situation not looking very great right now under the

01:24:18.960 Trump administration.

01:24:19.740 But at least he paid attention to it during his campaign, whereas with the Harris campaign or

01:24:25.780 even the Biden campaign, there was this weird, stubborn way of promoting something that didn't

01:24:34.160 exist, which was supposedly a great economy.

01:24:37.260 It wasn't a great economy.

01:24:38.980 Yeah.

01:24:39.180 You can't keep pointing to GDP.

01:24:40.420 They just lied right to us.

01:24:41.680 Exactly.

01:24:42.260 GDP, the stock market.

01:24:42.640 And it was like, don't believe your lying eyes.

01:24:44.660 Believe my words.

01:24:45.220 And we were like, you're so right, though, about that moment with the cats and the dogs.

01:24:48.260 If she had pivoted that to, OK, that's not happening.

01:24:52.100 But you know what?

01:24:53.040 The underlying issue is a real one.

01:24:55.240 And I haven't been in the top job for these past four years.

01:24:57.780 But let me tell you what I would do about the southern border, because it does need to be

01:25:00.640 closed.

01:25:00.960 We do need to act.

01:25:01.620 People are suffering and there has been too much migration into the United States, legal

01:25:05.660 and illegal.

01:25:06.580 And here's what I'll do.

01:25:08.040 She's not capable of it.

01:25:09.700 She would have answered all of the questions of that campaign differently if she were capable

01:25:13.460 of that.

01:25:14.480 Anyway, it was the first time I ever life I actually felt for Kara Swisher.

01:25:18.060 It's a one and done.

01:25:19.580 I'll move on quickly back to loathing her.

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01:25:26.500 I'm dying to get Anna's take on what's happening with Barry Weiss already over at CBS.

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01:28:46.280 Here with me today, Anna Kasparian.

01:28:53.040 She's host and executive producer of The Young Turks.

01:28:57.180 So, Anna, Michelle Obama has a podcast, and near as I can tell, she devotes some 90% of

01:29:04.040 it to telling us why she can't stand Barack Obama.

01:29:07.620 Wait, she has a podcast?

01:29:09.520 She does.

01:29:11.080 What?

01:29:11.460 No one is watching it.

01:29:12.740 Yeah.

01:29:13.140 Literally, I think we are the only ones who watch it.

01:29:16.060 Oh, my gosh.

01:29:16.940 I didn't know that.

01:29:17.680 That's amazing.

01:29:18.900 Yeah.

01:29:19.260 She has a podcast, and all she does is rip on her husband.

01:29:21.560 I mean, truly, every show has got a new update on how she can't stand him.

01:29:27.920 The latest was she cannot stand watching him chew at the dinner table.

01:29:33.060 And, like, her blood is boiling as she sits across from him, like, I want to smack his face

01:29:37.860 for the chewing.

01:29:39.480 She doesn't like motherhood.

01:29:40.760 She's, like, zero to 13 were traumatic and horrible.

01:29:44.420 Meanwhile, that's basically all of motherhood.

01:29:46.200 You know, it's like all you have after that is high school.

01:29:48.900 And now here she's out.

01:29:50.260 Again, honestly, you can't stop her.

01:29:51.760 Every single episode, there's something more.

01:29:53.540 Here was the latest that just happened yesterday.

01:29:56.880 We're doing all the college stuff.

01:29:59.340 I'm, you know, making her bed, because whenever they went to camp or somewhere, I said, I'll make

01:30:02.800 your bed once, and I'll make it really neat and nice.

01:30:05.980 And then that's it.

01:30:06.440 It's up to you.

01:30:06.640 Got her room all set up, and you could tell Barack was totally clueless.

01:30:11.760 He didn't know where to be.

01:30:13.300 We gave him a lamp from Ikea and said, put it together.

01:30:17.200 Here, you take this box.

01:30:19.120 You put it together.

01:30:20.060 There was nothing to put together.

01:30:21.420 But he was over there with his lamp for, like, two hours.

01:30:23.920 We had to get in this motorcade and leave the baby behind, you know, and to watch her standing

01:30:31.260 at that restaurant, ugh, waving goodbye.

01:30:34.100 So I'm crying.

01:30:35.080 Yes.

01:30:35.600 Barack gets in the car.

01:30:36.740 You know, we're driving back to the Air Force One in the motorcade.

01:30:40.580 You know, we're a little quiet, and I hear this.

01:30:45.700 That was literally the sign.

01:30:48.360 And I had to look over and be like, and the agents are like, sir, are you okay?

01:30:53.800 And he's like, it's like, man, just do it.

01:30:57.660 Just cry.

01:30:58.440 Let it go.

01:31:00.440 Okay.

01:31:01.780 I'm sorry, but she never misses the chance to try to emasculate him or make him look like

01:31:07.580 a doofus.

01:31:09.400 You know, there's a complaint among many conservatives, Anna, that, like, I've heard them rip on the

01:31:14.160 show Modern Family, which I love.

01:31:15.840 I think it's hysterical.

01:31:17.140 It's so funny.

01:31:18.340 My family watches it all the time.

01:31:19.940 But I accept the legitimate criticism that the thing that some conservatives don't like

01:31:24.360 about it is they make Phil Dunphy, the patriarch of the whole family, an absolute moron.

01:31:31.060 You know, he looks weak and dumb and really in no way like a strong, you know, male role

01:31:37.400 model.

01:31:38.020 He's a loving, sweet guy who's a doofus.

01:31:40.220 And honestly, she tries so hard to make Barack Obama go from like this towering figure and

01:31:47.100 it's well past like, oh, we'll be a little self-deprecating so people can relate to us.

01:31:50.560 It's every episode, something insulting about him and never the opposite.

01:31:55.020 He can't even put together the Ikea lamp.

01:31:57.000 The imitation of the way he sounded while he was crying, like an intimate family moment

01:32:01.560 that she now wants to repeat in front of the national audience.

01:32:04.660 I'm telling you, she loathes him.

01:32:07.060 It's really clear.

01:32:08.340 I she has also the casual references to Air Force One and the motorcade and the Secret Service.

01:32:16.360 Just last week, she was bitching about how famous she is and how she can't stand it.

01:32:20.340 She doesn't like going out to dinner because she's always the topic of conversation of the

01:32:24.240 next table, she and Barack.

01:32:26.200 But now she just wants to remind us about all the accoutrements around them that make

01:32:30.220 them super special.

01:32:31.320 This woman, she gets on my last nerve.

01:32:34.480 She's doing a podcast, meaning like you're putting yourself out there as a public figure.

01:32:41.780 And so I get by the way, I totally understand the downsides of being a public figure and how

01:32:48.220 uncomfortable it can be at times.

01:32:50.060 But if you want that to kind of fade away, you don't do a podcast.

01:32:54.400 Now, I thought I thought she had done like a few episodes of a podcast.

01:32:58.480 And I remember seeing that like, I don't know, last year, a few months ago.

01:33:02.060 Who knows?

01:33:03.440 But I can understand why it doesn't have the viewership that you would expect as someone

01:33:09.080 who's a former first lady, because think about how Democratic voters really put Obama on

01:33:15.200 a pedestal, right?

01:33:16.240 He's like, in their minds, the ideal Democratic leader.

01:33:20.160 And they have in their minds, like great memories of the eight years Obama was in charge.

01:33:26.100 And so to listen to a podcast or watch a podcast in which his wife is trashing him all the time,

01:33:32.320 they're not going to appreciate that.

01:33:33.640 In fact, every time we at the Young Turks do a video where we're critical of something

01:33:38.340 Obama has done recently, we always lose subscribers, always, because they don't want to hear it.

01:33:43.000 They want to look back on those eight years and only think of the positives.

01:33:47.340 And again, having Michelle Obama, the former first lady, you know, insult former President

01:33:53.400 Obama is probably not something that they find very appealing.

01:33:56.480 But what's also interesting is, you know, she had been urged to put her name in the ring

01:34:03.200 in the 2024 election, and the reporting indicated that she doesn't like it.

01:34:09.040 She doesn't like being in the public eye.

01:34:11.560 It seems like she likes being in the public eye, maybe in a different capacity.

01:34:15.280 Yeah, that's right.

01:34:16.320 Although she's not that much in the public eye because her average video gets between

01:34:19.840 1,000 and 5,000 views.

01:34:24.220 Yes.

01:34:24.500 That's wild.

01:34:26.180 That is so wild, man.

01:34:28.360 It's bad.

01:34:28.900 That's bad.

01:34:29.440 I know.

01:34:30.000 My assistant, Abigail Finan, could start a podcast today and draw well above that.

01:34:34.600 She's very entertaining and very funny.

01:34:36.500 And she was never first lady for eight years.

01:34:39.080 So that's how it's going over Michelle Obama land.

01:34:41.360 All right.

01:34:41.580 I want to talk about what's happening with Barry Weiss at CBS because it's ridiculous.

01:34:45.920 So Barry Weiss sent out one of those doge kind of emails to the staff at CBS saying,

01:34:55.600 let me know what you do all day.

01:34:57.900 Like, what projects are you currently working on?

01:35:00.140 It wasn't quite as aggressive as the Elon one, but it was like, I'm new.

01:35:03.720 I'm the editor-in-chief.

01:35:04.720 Can you send me an email letting me know what projects you're working on and what you're up to?

01:35:08.420 Well, they went into meltdown over at CBS.

01:35:10.620 It was like, all these meetings had to be called.

01:35:14.140 The union got involved and now there's been an official, like they, they, the union responded

01:35:19.700 to Barry exactly.

01:35:21.300 Why do you want this?

01:35:22.640 For what purpose?

01:35:23.680 What will be done with the answers?

01:35:25.240 Will people be subject to, to discipline or some sort of suspension or punishment if you

01:35:30.240 don't like their answers?

01:35:31.280 It was, so finally the union has assessed the situation and now CBS had to respond to the

01:35:37.980 union that, okay, you will not be disciplined if you don't respond.

01:35:41.600 Um, that you will not be, this will not be the basis for discipline, discharge or layoff.

01:35:48.040 And of course there's also, you don't need to respond at all.

01:35:51.500 You don't have to respond.

01:35:53.640 There's no penalty whatsoever for entirely blowing her off.

01:35:57.140 To me, this is funny because I love Barry, but it's not going to go well.

01:36:02.380 These organizations cannot be changed from the top down.

01:36:05.300 They can only be changed from the bottom up and they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever

01:36:09.480 accept somebody who didn't grow up next to them in the CBS ranks ever.

01:36:14.120 You, you have, and I mean like, you can't even go laterally.

01:36:17.140 Like Catherine Herridge went there from Fox news, who was a very respected reporter on

01:36:20.620 the Intel beat.

01:36:21.420 I mean, completely had her chops and she was a legit reporter.

01:36:25.060 You could, she could never be dismissed as like some Fox, whatever.

01:36:27.840 No, they didn't accept her.

01:36:31.020 They will never accept.

01:36:32.380 And that's a reporter, nevermind an editor in chief who gets helicoptered in.

01:36:37.540 And so this is just to me, the first sign of trouble.

01:36:40.060 There will be many.

01:36:41.480 It will probably in my estimation last a couple of years before Barry says F this toxic environment.

01:36:47.780 I'm peacing out of here, but this is sort of chapter one, your thoughts on it.

01:36:52.660 Okay.

01:36:53.140 I actually have strong thoughts on this.

01:36:54.600 So let me just say that the email asking, you know, what are you working on?

01:36:59.600 I don't find that particularly offensive.

01:37:01.680 In fact, um, we're, I'm not represented by a union, but when TYT had hired a president

01:37:08.280 for the first time, this is back in 2016 or 2017, she called everyone into her office because

01:37:15.340 she wanted to get to know them and wanted to get to know what their role is within the

01:37:19.360 company, what they're working on.

01:37:20.840 And I didn't find that threatening in any way.

01:37:23.580 I think the reason why the workers at CBS found it threatening is because of all of the

01:37:29.860 reporting that came out prior to Barry Weiss being brought in and the financial times in

01:37:36.040 particular had noted that David Ellison, after this merger with Paramount Sundance with CBS

01:37:42.660 and all of that, uh, had said that he was considering purchasing the free press, uh, for a lot of money,

01:37:49.160 by the way, it ended up being $150 million.

01:37:51.840 Originally there were rumors that it was going to be as much as $250 million, but the financial

01:37:57.020 time for a company that was making, that was bringing in 15 million a year.

01:38:00.220 So, I mean, the financials were largely inflated.

01:38:02.840 Yes. So I want to get back to that in just a minute, but in, in regard to David Ellison,

01:38:08.620 the financial times reported that he liked that the free press had a pro Israel bias.

01:38:15.840 And so you have the reporters and some of the workers over at CBS worried that she's going to

01:38:21.240 be brought on specifically to sway the reporting in a way that's more favorable to Israel and not

01:38:27.760 necessarily fair or accurate. So when the entire situation starts from that place, it's just,

01:38:34.820 it's really hard to like recover from that. You get what I'm saying? Because they're worried that

01:38:39.960 their reputation as reporters, their reputation as a news organization is going to tank as a result of

01:38:46.300 that. But on top of that, look, I also think David Ellison wanted to bring her on because in his mind,

01:38:53.760 this is a way to marry digital independent media to legacy media, which is dying. Let's keep it

01:39:03.260 real. But I'm going to say from my personal, uh, my personal experience, you can't make that

01:39:09.000 transition. It doesn't transition well because people who have sworn off corporate, a legacy

01:39:14.420 media are never going back. They just don't trust it. They don't trust these institutions.

01:39:19.340 No, I totally agree with you. That's the problem. Like I, I get what he's trying to do.

01:39:22.980 It's just not possible. You can't, you know, the other patient has expired and you cannot take

01:39:30.160 like the working brain and working heart of a still alive person and put them in this corpse.

01:39:36.380 It just, that's not going to bring them back. They've expired. They've been expired for too long.

01:39:40.980 The window of reviving them has passed. And as talented as Barry is, she's not that talented.

01:39:46.860 No one is, no one can do it. But I also think that like, I know, trust me, I know because I've

01:39:53.700 been in television for a long time. They, I guarantee you are over there saying she's never

01:39:59.960 even worked in TV. Their noses will be turned up as high as humanly possible at the fact that this

01:40:08.620 print reporter that's, and they don't even see Barry as a reporter, like opinion, opinion person from the

01:40:15.640 New York times has the nerve to come over here and try to tell us about editorial at the vaunted

01:40:22.860 CBS news. And she never even done TV. I guarantee you those are the comments that are happening

01:40:31.200 behind the scenes. And as nice as Barry is and as reasonable and as talented, they're just not

01:40:36.480 open-minded to it. They they're jealous. She has it and they don't. And they resent the fact that she

01:40:42.000 got put in this position without having to pay her dues the way they did. I just think they're two

01:40:47.000 completely different forms of media, right? Like I know that both, whether you're talking about the

01:40:52.620 free press or CBS, they're in the news business to some capacity, but the format on television is not

01:41:00.220 conducive to informing people, to be quite honest with you. You know, I'm going, yeah, I mean, like

01:41:06.080 long-form conversations like this, when I think about my own media consumption, and I really like to

01:41:10.760 listen to podcasts or various voices from across the political spectrum, I want long-form. I don't

01:41:17.320 want to go to a commercial break every five minutes. I want to hear what different voices have to say

01:41:22.760 about any particular issue, and I want them to speak at length. You're not going to get that on CBS or

01:41:28.500 ABC, on network news, on cable news. It's just not conducive to a real conversation.

01:41:34.500 Mm-hmm. I know it's a frustration in watching it now that we're used to this other medium. When you

01:41:38.660 turn on cable, you're like, what is it? My God, it's so annoying. And you have to be sitting there

01:41:42.980 at a certain time, and you have to sit there and watch the commercials. And of course, the networks

01:41:47.000 all have an agenda that you may or may not know about because they may or may not disclose it.

01:41:51.040 I mean, there's all sorts of handicaps to the forum that have made it irrelevant and obsolete.

01:41:56.920 In any event, I'm still wishing her luck, and I, you know, kind of just feel like, take the money and

01:42:02.180 run, do it for a couple of years, and then come back to where you belong, which is this free,

01:42:06.860 the independent lane that has been so valuable to all of us. Anna is one of the pioneers in this

01:42:12.200 space. Thank you so much for coming on. Love talking to you. Thank you for having me, Megan.

01:42:17.120 All right, to be continued. And we are back tomorrow with our pals from the fifth column.

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Charlie Kirk's Legacy of Compassion, and Kamala and Katie Porter's Inauthenticity, with Jack Posobiec and Ana Kasparian ｜ Ep. 1172

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