The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Sheen on Getting Sober, the Highs and Lows of Fame, and Mending Relationships With Family ｜ Ep. 1148

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00:01:00.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.280 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:07.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.840 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:16.320 We have an amazing show for you here.

00:01:18.660 We've got Charlie Sheen.

00:01:20.620 And we couldn't wait to talk to Charlie Sheen.

00:01:23.460 And we taped a conversation with Charlie Sheen on Tuesday of this week.

00:01:28.100 And he was amazing.

00:01:30.120 Like completely honest and full of candor and self-deprecating and very reflective about the incredible life he's had.

00:01:38.740 And we had always planned with his team.

00:01:43.560 They're doing a press rollout around his book and his documentary on Netflix to air it on Friday.

00:01:48.120 Well, as you know, something massive happened in the country between Tuesday and Friday involving another Charlie.

00:01:55.140 And we asked ourselves what to do about the Charlie Sheen interview.

00:02:00.080 And in the end, we've decided to put it out because I think we need it.

00:02:05.080 I think it's good.

00:02:06.540 We can't spend every moment in darkness and thinking about the awfulness that happened on Thursday.

00:02:12.620 We can't.

00:02:14.300 I'm losing track of my days on Wednesday.

00:02:17.260 We can't and we shouldn't.

00:02:18.880 We should take a moment to watch a silly comedy or listen to a podcast about decorating.

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00:02:28.400 We have to continue on with our lives somewhat normally.

00:02:33.620 And so we are going to air this.

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00:03:45.140 Charlie Sheen is an American actor and an icon.

00:03:51.300 His life has been a wild ride.

00:03:53.060 Born to father actor Martin Sheen.

00:03:55.200 What do you care if your brother ditches school?

00:03:57.000 He achieved success seemingly overnight and went on to star in films like

00:04:01.200 Platoon, Wall Street, and The Rookie.

00:04:03.800 You want a do-over?

00:04:04.780 No, I don't want a do-over.

00:04:06.380 He eventually became the highest paid actor in television history

00:04:09.960 as a star on the beloved sitcom Two and a Half Men.

00:04:13.520 I am on a drug.

00:04:14.600 It's called Charlie Sheen.

00:04:15.840 But all of that success came with challenges, addiction, and tumultuous relationships.

00:04:22.520 Now Charlie Sheen is eight years sober and back to tell his story his own way.

00:04:28.420 His new memoir, The Book of Sheen, tells all.

00:04:31.920 And we do mean all.

00:04:33.400 All the way to go.

00:04:34.880 And a new Netflix documentary released at the same time,

00:04:38.320 a.k.a. Charlie Sheen, hits this week too.

00:04:41.620 I lit the fuse, you know, and my life turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be.

00:04:48.880 I've read the book, I've watched the documentary, and I could not recommend both more than I do.

00:04:55.420 Charlie, welcome to the show.

00:04:57.040 Thank you.

00:04:57.720 Thank you, man.

00:04:58.680 It's an honor to be here.

00:04:59.880 Thank you.

00:05:00.340 I can't believe you didn't use a ghostwriter on this.

00:05:03.760 Thank you for the lovely intro, firstly.

00:05:05.920 You bet.

00:05:06.200 No, there was talk of that early on, and I just thought that that wouldn't give me an opportunity

00:05:14.320 to deliver it, you know, from the deepest reaches of myself, you know.

00:05:22.100 And I knew that it would, to the reader, that it would feel counterfeit, you know.

00:05:30.020 No, you can tell it's you.

00:05:31.460 I mean, your voice resonates.

00:05:33.340 Right on.

00:05:33.620 Comes right off the page.

00:05:34.800 And then if you read it while you're watching the documentary, it just validates that it's 100% you.

00:05:39.180 It's all you.

00:05:39.900 I feel like I know you so well now, having read this and watched this.

00:05:43.380 And here's where I want to kick it off.

00:05:45.680 Okay.

00:05:46.040 It seems like, you know, the addiction, I said to myself, who is Charlie Sheen?

00:05:51.820 Like, what do I think of when I think of Charlie Sheen?

00:05:54.160 Yes, icon, huge star, addict, of course, is one of the words, but truly also a genius.

00:06:01.160 And those things are not unusually paired.

00:06:03.420 It's not unusual to see those things together.

00:06:05.240 But it seems like there was a feeling of inadequacy in, let's say, Carlos Estevez versus Charlie Sheen, the icon movie star that we know now.

00:06:17.420 And my question in watching the film and reading the book was, where did that come from?

00:06:22.140 And I'll just give you my own pitch on it.

00:06:24.200 You tell me whether I have anything like the truth here.

00:06:27.720 You had a very famous father.

00:06:29.860 You then had a very famous brother, both of whom went before you and became famous in your brother's case or were famous in your dad's when you were, you know, not.

00:06:40.900 You were just a regular kid.

00:06:42.460 And I think it probably had a profound effect on you being around that level of wealth and attention directed at people around you but not at you that maybe planted some seeds that weren't potentially healthy for you in the long haul.

00:06:57.780 What do you make of my theory?

00:06:59.860 I think your theory is more than just a theory.

00:07:04.400 I think you've tapped into some very solid truths about what motivated me or at least what drove me like it did.

00:07:21.360 Because, you know, for so long I was Martin Sheen's son.

00:07:27.520 And then you add to that, and, you know, Emilio Estevez's brother.

00:07:33.340 And it just, it got to the point where, and then, you know, growing up on dad's sets and then going out with Emilio and his crew of newly famed-minted actors that he was making all his movies with.

00:07:50.880 And just seeing the type of energy and the type of fun and mischief that they all had such limitless access to that I just, I wanted a taste of it so badly.

00:08:08.320 And it was, it felt so close, yet at the same time it was, it was light years out of reach, you know?

00:08:16.920 Yeah, because just because you have fame in the family doesn't mean it's going to happen for you.

00:08:21.000 And so even trying for it was pretty bold on your part.

00:08:25.600 But your story is not one of somebody who knew he had to be an actor.

00:08:29.260 You had the thespian gene.

00:08:31.540 You were going to see it through.

00:08:32.960 It was kind of like, just happened.

00:08:35.380 And then it happened really quickly.

00:08:37.800 Yeah, no, it, I got, I got a little bit of a warm-up.

00:08:41.440 I'd done, I'd done a couple films and that nobody really cared about.

00:08:46.120 I was just trying to, trying to get a SAG card, just trying to be a consistently employed actor and, and, and, and just, you know, kind of go from one job to the next and hopefully leave some good work behind.

00:08:57.080 And, and then just, you know, when, when, when, I guess stuff happens when it's supposed to, or, or at times how it's supposed to.

00:09:07.020 And, you know, this, this, this cameo just, just falls out of the sky into, into my lap.

00:09:14.360 And, and that was the film Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

00:09:18.440 What do you care if your brother ditches school?

00:09:22.140 Why should he get to ditch when everybody else has to go?

00:09:25.380 You could ditch.

00:09:26.680 Gosh, I'm only on film, like, probably less than three minutes.

00:09:30.720 And even having done a couple of lead roles in forgettable films before that, and then that thing hits.

00:09:38.260 And it's that thing I talk about in the book where the day before in the grocery store, the girls thought I worked there, you know, and then Bueller hits and I'm no longer wearing that imaginary Vons vest, you know?

00:09:52.700 Well, I love the story behind that.

00:09:55.440 So Jennifer Grey did you a solid. 0.98

00:09:57.700 She got you the audition.

00:10:00.160 Yeah, she did.

00:10:01.100 And you, you nonetheless showed up late.

00:10:03.800 You tried to stay up all night so you could look weathered and tired like your character and got a little too method, overslept the alarm, show up an hour and a half late.

00:10:12.620 Jennifer Grey's like, what the hell, man?

00:10:14.220 But it was a very interesting story you tell.

00:10:17.180 You're very insightful about how John Hughes, you saw him and you expected he was just going to throw you out of there and you got something different.

00:10:25.360 I thought he would continue the drubbing that she had initiated.

00:10:30.420 But with him, it came to a Flintstones halt.

00:10:35.120 And he just, like I say in the doc and in the book, when he just took one look at me and he literally just said, oh, good, you're here.

00:10:44.760 Let's get started.

00:10:46.260 And just what that did for just calming my nerves and my confidence and just knowing that I was, you know, in the presence of a man that didn't care about anything that led up to the, you know, the moment that he needed to, you know, get his director brain around, you know?

00:11:07.500 So, and then it's pretty cool in the movie.

00:11:11.400 You can still see Jennifer.

00:11:13.640 You can still see the trailing effects of some of the, some of her ire and the animosity.

00:11:20.780 She definitely, yes, no, she was great in that scene too. 1.00

00:11:24.040 And you stole the scene and you could argue you stole the movie.

00:11:27.720 And I, I thought about that with John Hughes and I thought, okay, I understand why he did it.

00:11:34.960 Because you walk in, you're very good looking.

00:11:39.120 You are like oozing the right attitude for this guy, right?

00:11:43.400 He's like, this is my guy.

00:11:44.900 This is, I need him in this scene.

00:11:46.440 And I think like that would come back to help you many times, your movie star appeal, your, your good looks, your charm.

00:11:52.960 And, but it wasn't always a force for good.

00:11:55.640 Like this, these things that would get you a pass from people like John Hughes that happened to you repeatedly in your life sound good on paper, but like maybe weren't because gave you a feeling of invincibility, like you could get away with anything.

00:12:10.960 And maybe that wasn't such a great thing for the other piece of Charlie Sheen, which is the addict piece.

00:12:17.160 Yeah, no, certainly was not a great thing.

00:12:19.800 I mean, it's nice to be forgiven.

00:12:22.020 Obviously it's nice to be given second chances and all that good stuff.

00:12:24.960 But, and, and, and we touch on this in the doc a little bit. 0.98

00:12:29.280 What was interesting that, that even after not, not, not the biggest disasters or, or, or, or, you know, the, the, the, the furthest falls, but there was, there, there, there, there was a pattern of, you know, fucking things up, sending shit off the rails.

00:12:52.180 And then, and then, and then having a job literally on the other side of that event.

00:12:58.080 Once I had, you know, once I dusted myself off and, and, and, and, you know, got, got back ready to work.

00:13:05.920 Um, so yeah, so, but you know, I, I, I, I think there's two sides to that, that, that, that, that, that didn't mean I had to take those jobs, but, but it, but it also didn't mean that, that they always had to be there.

00:13:19.340 Does that make any sense?

00:13:20.220 Because I kind of went completely around that.

00:13:22.820 I get it.

00:13:23.480 But I just think, like, opportunity kept coming your way because you really do have true genius in this field.

00:13:30.400 You can see it in, in the parts you play.

00:13:32.460 You embody these characters.

00:13:34.480 It seems to come easy to you, like, to us lay people, it certainly does.

00:13:38.660 and yet the universal rewards for those talents may not be a good thing.

00:13:44.400 Like this kind of dawned on me while I was reading the book.

00:13:47.080 Being universally rewarded for these preternatural gifts,

00:13:50.900 whether it's appearance or abilities, could in some ways be a devil on your back

00:13:57.420 because a life without consequences can lead to some bad choices

00:14:02.320 and a false feeling of invincibility.

00:14:06.080 Of course it can. Of course it can, yeah.

00:14:08.160 And there's also, there's this thing about, you know,

00:14:14.020 not having to deal with a ton of failure at first.

00:14:19.360 You know, there's a little piece in the book where I mentioned that they teach us as kids

00:14:23.140 if at first, you know, you don't succeed, you try, try again.

00:14:26.540 If at first you do succeed, that's where that saying ends

00:14:31.080 because it was never written, it doesn't exist, you know.

00:14:33.680 So, and then it's like even talking about, you know, watching dad, you know,

00:14:39.040 with his ascent to stardom and his brilliant career and then watching Emilio,

00:14:44.280 it's, you know, I thought that I would have a handle on what that might feel like once,

00:14:52.540 you know, were I fortunate for it to happen to me as well.

00:14:56.440 Even on a smaller scale at, you know, just a fraction of what they'd achieved.

00:15:01.680 But there's no way to really prepare anyone for it.

00:15:05.700 There's no way to, I guess in some way it'd be like asking, you know,

00:15:12.400 Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron, you know, what it actually feels like to hit a home run, you know.

00:15:18.480 They can describe the mechanics of it, but they can't really ever put you inside a moment

00:15:23.060 that you have to inhabit to, you know, truly own that experience.

00:15:29.880 And so watching it and then living it was a whole different reality.

00:15:37.540 But then it's nice to have people you can check in with and say,

00:15:40.780 hey, okay, so this happened with the thing and then I saw how you dealt with that

00:15:44.040 and then any recommendations, any ideas and, but even the advice sometimes it's, it's, it's,

00:15:51.500 it's well-intentioned, but that doesn't mean that, that it's, it's, it's going to be useful.

00:15:58.980 And I don't mean that dismissively, just that, that, you know,

00:16:03.140 giving people advice for things that they have to experience.

00:16:07.000 Yeah.

00:16:08.040 Doesn't work.

00:16:08.860 Is that, is that, is that making sense?

00:16:10.660 Is that tracking a little bit?

00:16:12.220 Yeah, we all learned that as parents.

00:16:12.600 We all learned that as parents, you know, you want to spare your kids all the pain and anguish

00:16:16.980 you experienced by telling them the life lessons you learned.

00:16:20.400 And I mean, I've concluded 15 years in a motherhood.

00:16:23.620 It's not a complete waste of time, but it's really close to a waste of time.

00:16:26.720 They have to make their own mistakes in order to really learn the lessons.

00:16:30.360 Sure.

00:16:32.000 It's pretty close to a waste of time.

00:16:33.820 That's brilliant.

00:16:34.840 Pretty close.

00:16:35.820 I mean, I can see, like, I'm sure Martin Sheen was like, Charlie,

00:16:39.160 I'll, I'll walk you through exactly how to handle these massive challenges.

00:16:42.080 You know, he's a huge star, big movie star in his day, apocalypse, apocalypse now.

00:16:47.100 And he's probably thinking, I can spare you so much grief.

00:16:50.560 And then you learn the hard way.

00:16:52.040 Oh God, he's going to need to experience grief his own way.

00:16:55.620 And it's going to be really public too, in your case.

00:16:57.880 But isn't it interesting, in, in, in the book, there's those, there's those early examples

00:17:03.820 of that he was the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, the voice of advice that I would seek.

00:17:11.180 He, he was the guy that I would go to.

00:17:13.400 And, and, you know, the thing that happened with the Karate Kid, the thing that happened,

00:17:17.960 with that early MGM deal, you know, and he, he was the guy I would go to.

00:17:23.280 And then, of course, you know, when it, when it came to Platoon and he advised against that as well,

00:17:29.820 is when I finally told him, I said, I gotta, I gotta just, I gotta, I gotta roll the dice on this one.

00:17:35.080 Because you were offered the lead role in Karate Kid, ultimately played by Ralph Macchio,

00:17:41.940 and you turned it down for some film with the word grizzly in it,

00:17:47.140 where you and a very young George Clooney and a young Laura Dern would make a movie no,

00:17:52.700 no one would ever remember whatsoever.

00:17:55.200 And your dad had told you you needed to say no to Karate Kid because you had committed to this other film.

00:17:59.640 Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's not the worst advice in the world.

00:18:04.300 If you just break it down just into the, into the credo that, that he was, you know,

00:18:11.020 into just the, the, the noble essence of, of what he was trying to get me to, to, to, to pursue, you know,

00:18:18.300 or, or, or, or to recognize, you know?

00:18:20.920 Um, so, but yeah, that was a hard one to watch and, you know, go get eaten by a bear

00:18:27.820 and then watch Ralph, you know, do, do, do, do with that.

00:18:34.540 But, but, but then I heard you, you say this in the documentary, you know, no, no offense to Ralph Macchio,

00:18:39.120 but like he was kind of typecast after that.

00:18:41.800 And Ralph did not go on to become some huge Hollywood movie star like you did.

00:18:47.720 But he, he still had a really respectable and, and, and terrific career and still does great work to this day, you know?

00:18:53.600 Yeah.

00:18:53.800 But if you think of the karate kid, it's really difficult to picture anyone except him.

00:18:59.500 Even if you've just seen the first one, you know, I don't think I had the skills or the tools or the mindset or anything at,

00:19:06.700 at that moment in time to pull off or bring to it what he was able to, you know?

00:19:12.820 So I think the film would have been different or would have started with me and that it finally just went, yeah, yeah.

00:19:18.080 You know what, let's, let's go with that Italian kid that we had a couple of days ago, you know?

00:19:23.200 So who knows?

00:19:24.640 Instead of the Spanish kid. 1.00

00:19:26.760 Instead of the Spanish kid. 1.00

00:19:28.680 You come from a long line of Spanish people, like a whole family, like Ramon, he's in the, in the documentary and Emilio.

00:19:35.720 Yes.

00:19:36.160 Yeah.

00:19:36.380 Your dad's name isn't really Martin, isn't very Spanish.

00:19:39.260 Do you connect at all with that piece of your lineage?

00:19:43.140 Um, just through stories and just through relatives and just, um, I don't, I don't, I don't go on the pilgrimages like my brother Ramon does and Emilio and dad.

00:19:52.400 Um, I guess I, um, I guess I lean more into the, into the Irish side of, of, of, of our, of our roots, you know?

00:20:01.980 No offense taken.

00:20:03.340 Yeah.

00:20:03.600 I know exactly where you're going with that.

00:20:05.060 I would say your love of beautiful women that that's very Spanish.

00:20:08.420 So like maybe it's in you and in other ways that are, you know, more silent.

00:20:13.140 Um, all right.

00:20:13.820 So now you, you get cast in platoon and this too was a role that was supposed to be Emilio's.

00:20:19.720 This was, this was a role that was supposed to go to somebody else that you got because of timing and he took on another project.

00:20:26.440 One thing led to another.

00:20:27.500 So you wind up getting this role and that, that was it, right?

00:20:30.880 Was platoon was the big before and after like now I'm a household name.

00:20:35.540 There's B, there's BP and there's AP.

00:20:38.360 Did you ever get caught in a mistake that you just can't get out of?

00:20:42.520 Yeah.

00:20:43.380 Before platoon, after platoon.

00:20:45.200 Yeah.

00:20:45.460 Yeah.

00:20:45.980 Um, yeah.

00:20:47.520 You know, um, again, uh, oh,

00:20:49.620 Hey, there's a nice photo.

00:20:51.140 Um, Johnny, what a trip.

00:20:54.480 Yeah.

00:20:54.640 That feels like a hundred lifetimes ago.

00:20:58.100 You know, you were a baby.

00:20:59.200 Um, yeah.

00:21:00.580 Right.

00:21:01.460 Um, yeah.

00:21:02.800 We didn't know what we were, what we were, what, what we'd created.

00:21:05.500 You know, we, we, we, we thought the vets would appreciate it.

00:21:08.240 We thought, you know, we thought other filmmakers would think we'd, we'd given a, you know, taken a pretty good, pretty good shot at it.

00:21:14.600 But, um, no, it, we did not expect that the, the, the entire world was going to join in the celebration.

00:21:21.040 You know, it was, it was, it was, it was a pretty exciting time.

00:21:24.400 The first real movie about the war in Vietnam is platoon.

00:21:28.500 Then you get the kind of fame that's like you walk into a football stadium and everybody knows you, you, not to mention you could sleep with any woman in there, which, you know, like that's very heady, hugely heady.

00:21:42.840 And at the same time, you're hanging out with all these big stars.

00:21:45.500 Like, I didn't know anything about your long friendship with Nick Cage.

00:21:49.240 Hello.

00:21:49.940 That's amazing.

00:21:51.860 Yeah.

00:21:52.440 It's, and I, and I, and I think what's in the doc with, with Nicholas and myself and, and, and what's in the book.

00:21:58.260 I think there's some really cool, really just memorable, you know, unforgettable stuff between us.

00:22:05.020 You know, it's not all in there and that's just, hey, there we are.

00:22:08.920 And that's out of respect to him and myself.

00:22:11.400 And, you know, there's, there's some stuff that it's just probably better that it just, it stays between the people and exists only in that moment in time.

00:22:18.680 But I, but I think there is enough there to, to, to just give a taste, just give a vibe of, of, of the kind of, that the energy that, that we were both, you know, that, that it was weird.

00:22:31.560 We, we, it's like, we found each other right when we needed to.

00:22:35.100 And, and, and it wasn't a competition thing, but, but we just, I think I talk about something in the book that, you know, something about, we were both on the verge of, of, of complete fission.

00:22:50.220 And, and, and I brought the missing neutrons, you know, stuff like that.

00:22:54.840 It's interesting.

00:22:55.820 I just spoke with Nicholas about an hour ago today.

00:22:59.420 And this dude at 901 in LA, knowing it was past midnight, East Coast, downloaded my audio book and listened to it, like started it last night and finished it today.

00:23:17.500 And, and, and wrote to me, wrote this, this beautiful, uh, the penning of, of just love and support.

00:23:26.020 And, and he was just such passion and excitement.

00:23:29.240 And I, I just, I, I called him and, and it was really, that was just like an hour ago, you know, um, because we didn't care about people.

00:23:39.000 About the disclosures you made.

00:23:40.440 He did not care about the disclosures you made about him.

00:23:43.220 No, he, he, he loved the stories.

00:23:45.140 He loved the writing.

00:23:45.760 He loved, he just loved that, he just loved that he was a part of it.

00:23:48.820 It was so cool.

00:23:49.760 It was such a, just a loving, I don't want to call it an endorsement.

00:23:53.340 It was, it was, it was a, uh, it was just the kind of support that, that I, I, I, I would have hoped for, but when you get it for real, you know, especially from him, uh, it was, it was pretty special.

00:24:06.300 And I hope he doesn't mind that I'm, I'm sharing this with the world, you know?

00:24:09.760 Now, I have to imagine you've gotten a phone call from literally every gay man who's ever met you and has your number saying, I see a window.

00:24:19.360 Is it still open?

00:24:20.660 I mean, uh, not, not exactly.

00:24:23.060 No, it hasn't, it hasn't gone there.

00:24:24.980 Um, because that was a pretty isolated, isolated thing.

00:24:28.260 And again, that's not about shame or that's not about anything like that.

00:24:31.780 That's just about, you know, I'm trying to just be respectful of, uh, you know, other people's privacies and stuff like that.

00:24:39.060 But that is kind of funny.

00:24:40.240 Yeah.

00:24:40.400 I actually did have that thought.

00:24:42.320 What's it going to be like now in the streets?

00:24:44.740 Am I going to be getting the thing?

00:24:46.160 Uh, you know what I'm saying?

00:24:48.040 Yes.

00:24:48.520 You're going to be getting the thing.

00:24:50.200 If I do, awesome.

00:24:51.300 So you're saying there's a chance that for the listening audience, Charlie reveals in the book that he, while on drugs, had a couple of interludes crossing over to the other side, is not declaring that he's gay or bi or anything else, but is just being honest about his life, intoxicated and high.

00:25:09.740 And that's why I say some, some will see a window.

00:25:12.660 That's all right.

00:25:13.420 That's flattering.

00:25:14.100 I mean, what the hell, right?

00:25:15.080 It's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's one moment in a very long life.

00:25:18.840 And, and I said something the other day that, um, that I guess I just wanted to have just a little bit more in common with, uh, with, with Richard Pryor and Marlon Brando and Mick Jagger.

00:25:31.120 Mick Jagger.

00:25:31.540 That's pretty good company.

00:25:32.440 That's who I was thinking of.

00:25:33.360 That's pretty good company.

00:25:34.660 That's some hall of famers right there, you know?

00:25:36.620 But it does have to be a relief.

00:25:38.220 You, you know, you write about how you paid people blackmail money to keep that secret.

00:25:43.500 You, you, you came out a long time ago as HIV positive.

00:25:47.120 Sure.

00:25:47.560 You had to pay people to keep that secret.

00:25:49.400 I mean, this is a lot to be laboring under.

00:25:51.960 It's exhausting.

00:25:52.940 It's exhausting.

00:25:54.300 And to always, anytime the phone rings or you see an email from a lawyer or just, or a manager that always talks to that lawyer.

00:26:01.040 And it's just, it just got to the point of this, you know, if, if, if this is prison, the only thing that's missing, it's the bars and the guards, you know?

00:26:10.380 But, but, but yeah.

00:26:13.760 And, and, and, and, you know, I was talking to Emilio and, and, and he said, he said, are you, are you, are you cool that like all this stuff is, you know, is, is out there and like that.

00:26:23.800 And I said, well, you know, I got to be honest, man, it's, it feels a lot better, you know, out there than it did in here for so long.

00:26:33.900 And so, and, and the other thing is like, don't put something in a book and in a doc that come out, you know, a day apart, unless you're going to be willing enough, courageous enough, open enough to discuss those things, you know?

00:26:54.640 Because I did the GMA piece.

00:26:56.640 I did the GMA piece with Strayham, which I think went pretty good, right?

00:27:00.380 Yeah.

00:27:00.560 And then the, one of the producers came up and said, wow, that was, that was so courageous.

00:27:05.060 And you just, you didn't, you didn't dodge it.

00:27:07.060 And then I said, well, yeah, I already wrote about it and spoke about it and put it in.

00:27:10.500 And she said, oh, no, no, you'd, you'd be amazed how many people put stuff in a book.

00:27:15.680 And then when it comes to, it comes time to, to, to, you know, promote it or discuss it or whatever, they, they completely lose their minds.

00:27:23.100 They, they, they, they just want to run and hide.

00:27:25.400 Because I guess they never, or they didn't see the connection between like, okay, it goes here and then, you know, and then does that.

00:27:34.040 You're, it's still, you know, it's, you're responsible for all of it.

00:27:38.600 And so, but she was, but she was annoying publicist who says, don't ask about this. 1.00

00:27:45.120 Meanwhile, the principal is fine asking about it.

00:27:48.180 So oftentimes it's a function of that.

00:27:50.440 Having worked on the Today Show, I know that the PR people can be absolutely awful and not really carry this guy's message.

00:27:56.600 And you not to ask something like, like, like you've just read it in the book and then you, you want to tell them, but it's here.

00:28:02.900 Yeah, it's like, how do I know this?

00:28:04.800 I know this because he wrote it.

00:28:06.060 Like he, he told me.

00:28:07.200 Right.

00:28:07.320 I didn't pull it out of the ether.

00:28:09.280 Right.

00:28:09.700 So some are good.

00:28:11.040 Yeah.

00:28:11.600 Some are awful.

00:28:12.940 I mean, that, that was actually one of the questions I had for you was not about a PR person, but I was on Fox News in 2011 when you had the two and a half men cancellation.

00:28:21.880 And the winning and like the super torqued up Charlie with all the testosterone you write about, like, it was something like 4,000, which is, I don't know what number is supposed to be normal, but it's like two digits, not three and not four.

00:28:35.760 I am on a drug.

00:28:36.840 It's called Charlie Sheen.

00:28:37.940 I'm different.

00:28:38.540 I just have a different constitution.

00:28:39.840 I have a different brain.

00:28:40.500 I have a different heart.

00:28:41.240 I have a different, you know, I get tiger blood, man.

00:28:43.440 You don't worry that you're going to die when you take that many drugs. 1.00

00:28:46.280 Dying's for fools. 0.99

00:28:46.860 So you got fired from two and a half men and you went on this, like, winning tour. 0.99

00:28:51.540 And what I see in the documentary really jumped out at me, which was, this is my opinion, totally douchebag managers who exploited you.

00:28:59.980 The troubled actor is taking his bizarre behavior out on the road for Charlie Sheen Live, My Violent Torpedo of Truth.

00:29:07.980 I think what your name is synonymous, and I don't mean this in a negative way, is trouble.

00:29:11.460 And I think, like, Torpedoes of Truth is so brilliant because it's like, it just sounds exciting.

00:29:16.680 Who are like, get out there, go out on the stage, make money.

00:29:19.900 They want to see you.

00:29:20.720 Meanwhile, you are in crisis.

00:29:22.160 So it's kind of irritating as a fan and a viewer to see that happen.

00:29:27.580 How do you see the role of those around you, the professional people?

00:29:32.280 In the middle of that whole chaos?

00:29:34.800 Yeah.

00:29:37.100 Chaos.

00:29:37.500 It's kind of a double-edged sword because I was really hard to control.

00:29:48.160 I had found some different level of, I don't know what.

00:29:53.020 There was just some other energy or some other possession or just some, just thing that I just needed to stay attached to.

00:30:01.980 And I can't even really describe it.

00:30:03.820 It was, I don't want to say it was out of body because then you're kind of like not owning it.

00:30:09.240 I knew what was going on.

00:30:11.420 I just didn't want it to stop.

00:30:13.560 And that's the part I can't really explain.

00:30:15.360 When I look back on that stuff, it's like, dude, like, okay, maybe after that interview, you issue a statement or you just like go, just disappear somewhere for a month.

00:30:25.780 There's just, but to keep that thing going was just like, that's the part, just the energy that required.

00:30:31.580 I don't have that kind of stamina anymore.

00:30:33.800 But as far as the people that, I guess you could say were more complicit than not, it does take two to tango.

00:30:43.500 And I say in the book that in this case, it felt like, it felt more like 2000, but, but I also specifically write a line about in the years since I've, I've, I've combed through the mental health manual and I still can't find vile exploitation as a treatment protocol.

00:31:06.240 So that is, that is a quote from the book.

00:31:09.400 So yeah, I am going to, I'm going to point some of that stuff out.

00:31:12.720 And then when I talk about Mark Berg and Mark and I are, are, are, are great friends these days, but I, but I do say Mark was the gatekeeper.

00:31:20.220 Um, and, and, and I, and I wish he would have had a, um, um, uh, uh, a better key or, or a stronger lock, um, or, or something that, that, or, or a lock that looked more like, um, um, um, uh, a comfy chair and a, and a, and a, and a willing ear.

00:31:40.020 You know, it's like, I, I just think there could have been a moment in the middle of all that when coming, someone could have just said, all right, we're going to, you know, the party would put, you know, we're putting the, putting the chairs on the table, putting the lights on, the party's over.

00:31:53.320 This guy's coming with us.

00:31:55.000 And just, and, and it, it could have, it, it could have been, could have been interrupted, you know?

00:32:03.380 Um, but then suddenly there's this idea for a tour, you know?

00:32:08.040 And I, and I'm like, what would that even, what does that mean?

00:32:11.040 I'm not a, did I, did I start a band I can't remember forming?

00:32:15.280 Is there some part of me, like, what are we, because touring for me is all, it could only be a musician or like a really popular comedian, right?

00:32:23.020 And there was nothing funny about my act at that point, right?

00:32:26.340 But, but yeah, and then Live Nation gets involved and I go visit them and suddenly, you know, I'm holding a machete to a cheering crowd and they're booking dates, you know?

00:32:37.780 Which is why in the book, the only thing that I describe on that tour is that, is that, I don't want to give it away, but is that incident that takes place in the bathroom, you know? 0.96

00:32:51.240 And I think just symbolically that, um, that's, that's really how I felt about, about that, that, that whole, that whole shit storm, you know? 0.77

00:33:02.200 I watched it and I just thought, I watched it when it happened as a newswoman and I was horrified at how you were being exploited. 0.99

00:33:11.380 It was obvious you were in crisis.

00:33:13.420 I felt the same about Kanye.

00:33:15.040 I did not interview Kanye when he was going on in his recent media tour, because I could see the guy was in the middle of what appeared to be a bipolar episode.

00:33:23.520 I did not pile on when that mayor up in Canada was going through it.

00:33:27.380 Like, I just don't like it when news people, I think news people too have a responsibility not to have you on when you're in that state and pretend that you're okay or that this is an okay interview to be doing.

00:33:39.740 Because this is a compromised person who needs help not to be exploited for clicks. 0.91

00:33:44.660 It's very fucking annoying as a news person to watch. 0.88

00:33:48.780 Yeah, no, and that's, that's, that's, that's great to hear. 0.94

00:33:52.080 Um, at least there's, there's, there's one of you that cares.

00:33:56.060 Um, no, there's others, I'm sure.

00:33:58.240 But, um, even the Andrea Canyon of it all, right?

00:34:02.080 Um, she's terrific and I'm a fan and I, you know, she does great work.

00:34:06.300 She was with ABC at the time and I put this responsibility on ABC.

00:34:10.640 Yeah, but I was working out in a gym and I saw her on a, on a monitor, like up in the corner of the room with the sound off. 0.67

00:34:17.940 And I knew this interview was coming and I didn't know what the hell it was going to turn into.

00:34:21.960 But I was, I was, I was with somebody and I said, hey, what about her?

00:34:27.040 She looks pretty smart.

00:34:28.420 She looks like she knows what she's doing.

00:34:30.220 Maybe she'll do the interview.

00:34:31.440 I mean, literally it was like that.

00:34:33.080 No research, nothing.

00:34:34.580 Didn't know her backstory.

00:34:35.420 So she gets just yanked into this thing, you know, and, and, and then, um, I, I, yeah, she, she was like just front and center for that thing.

00:34:48.680 You know, she was like putting on the seatbelt to do that interview. 1.00

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00:38:20.060 I want to talk about sobriety because I think it's kind of interesting how it happened for

00:38:24.260 you, but before I get to that, the hero in this story after you for rescuing yourself

00:38:31.260 from your addictions, or at least from the active addiction, is your dad.

00:38:38.620 And I just, like, to me, I have such empathy for him because, Charlie, I will tell you that

00:38:45.120 I lost my sister at age 58 two years ago, a couple years ago.

00:38:50.120 And thank you.

00:38:51.620 And she was an addict, and she had a lifetime of similar problems.

00:38:56.720 With her, it started as a prescription pill that she was given.

00:39:00.540 And, like, when I saw the number of times your dad intervened and tried so hard, sometimes

00:39:05.500 he did the right things, sometimes it was questionable what he did.

00:39:08.980 But what I saw was this extremely loving father who really wanted you to stop doing drugs, who

00:39:15.360 desperately wanted you to get better and didn't totally know how to stop it.

00:39:20.120 And then I saw he didn't participate in the documentary, and neither did Emilio.

00:39:24.660 And I know you say it's because they watched The Rough and they said, you got it all covered.

00:39:28.640 But I did wonder, is that the full story?

00:39:32.520 Or do you think there's, like, a lingering resentment at all there?

00:39:37.160 Because I certainly think in my family, having an addict is like having a nuclear bomb go off

00:39:42.180 in your nuclear family.

00:39:43.820 And there can be lingering resentments.

00:39:45.820 Interesting.

00:39:47.340 Yeah, no, I think that's all face value.

00:39:50.280 I think that's all face value with, because I was in the room with them watching both of

00:39:55.460 their reactions to The Rough Cut.

00:39:58.320 And they couldn't have been more excited or passionate about it or celebrating it more.

00:40:04.140 And dad was just like, I'm in this.

00:40:07.720 I'm already in this.

00:40:08.600 Start to finish.

00:40:09.900 And Emilio was like, geez, I don't know what I could possibly contribute beyond what Charlie's

00:40:15.560 already doing.

00:40:16.180 And I genuinely think, like, they didn't want to get in the way or try to tell my stories

00:40:26.080 through their POV, even though that's sometimes, you know, that's part of how documentaries get

00:40:34.300 to different parts of stories.

00:40:35.700 And that's a device that they do lean into.

00:40:38.520 Um, but no, I, I, I, because I think, you know, we started this about two years ago.

00:40:46.120 So I was, I was, I was, by the, at that point clean, but almost six years.

00:40:50.760 And so they knew that, that this, that, um, that I wasn't, you know, I was committed to

00:40:56.140 this thing.

00:40:56.700 Um, and, and so.

00:40:58.320 And you guys are good.

00:40:59.080 So like, you feel legitimately like you've made amends with them and you're in a good place.

00:41:03.620 Oh, absolutely.

00:41:04.500 Yeah.

00:41:04.800 No, I'm only, when I've been texting all day, he'll, he'll, he'll read something about

00:41:08.600 the doc or the blog and he'll send it to me.

00:41:10.440 And then, and we just had a terrific piece come out.

00:41:13.400 He interviewed me for interview magazine.

00:41:16.700 And so, and then they just print the transcript of our, of our zoom call, even though we live

00:41:23.960 a block from each other, we did it on zoom, you know, and it, and it dropped today.

00:41:28.260 And some of it is, is hysterical.

00:41:30.680 And anybody that's like, and I'm not saying, but like anybody that might be questioning

00:41:35.580 that we're on the outs or there's a thing or whatever, it's you, you read this piece

00:41:40.160 and you can see like two guys that are, they're still a couple of 12 year olds, like talking

00:41:46.320 about jaws, you know?

00:41:48.200 Um, and it's, it's, it's, it's a wonderful piece.

00:41:51.020 Part of what's so great about the movie, the documentary, AKA Charlie Sheen is, um, the

00:41:57.120 super eight film that you guys took of each other when you were kids.

00:42:01.180 And the way you talk about LA is interesting too.

00:42:03.180 It makes it sound like a city in which you might actually raise a family back in the day

00:42:06.640 in the seventies and late sixties.

00:42:08.960 It used to be.

00:42:10.060 Yeah.

00:42:10.400 Yeah.

00:42:10.800 It used to be more rural you're describing.

00:42:13.000 And, and that's why your, your dad and your mom chose to raise their family there.

00:42:16.260 But you guys with the super eight videos, like pretend acting, like trying to be actors

00:42:22.000 like your dad and you were getting good at like the death scenes and the shooting, shooting

00:42:26.000 up, shooting up scenes.

00:42:27.340 It was like pretty well done.

00:42:29.580 Thank you.

00:42:30.400 Thank you.

00:42:31.100 Um, we were, we were, we were front row watching him do it, you know, um, in, in his roles on

00:42:37.120 his sets, uh, sometimes all over the world.

00:42:39.760 Um, there'd even be days and this isn't in the doc, um, where I'd be with Chris Penn.

00:42:45.840 I'd be messing around with a cap gun or a starter pistol or something.

00:42:48.560 And dad would be watching and he would be like, you know, doing a light workout just

00:42:52.760 over in the other part of the yard or getting some sun or whatever.

00:42:56.820 And there was one day when he's, when he said, Hey guys, guys, hold on a second.

00:43:00.680 Hold on a second.

00:43:02.100 He says, all right, if you guys are going to do it, let me, let, let me show you how it's

00:43:06.720 going to look better.

00:43:07.820 And he, and I got this, this little cap gun or starter pistol with blanks.

00:43:12.560 And he says, all right, Charlie, whenever you want, I'm going to be folding, I'm going

00:43:16.880 to be folding this towel.

00:43:18.440 You shoot me and I'll, and I'll show you how a guy would respond, you know, more realistically 0.99

00:43:23.920 getting shot. 0.67

00:43:26.520 He's going to be pissed that I shared this, but it's really a cool, a cool memory, memory

00:43:30.980 in a moment.

00:43:31.580 It's not in the doc.

00:43:32.260 It's not in the book, but it is.

00:43:33.480 It's right here.

00:43:34.520 And, um, and I turned on him and I fired a shot and he took it and he, it wasn't like

00:43:39.700 this super crazy five minute dramatic death. 0.62

00:43:41.840 He just buckled and then right on his back.

00:43:45.340 And Chris and I were just like, oh my gosh.

00:43:48.600 Okay.

00:43:49.180 So now we had a template to work from.

00:43:51.380 Now we had like a real pro who'd been shot on film like a thousand times showing us like

00:43:57.740 this is, this is going to up your game.

00:44:00.520 A lot of parents will sit down with their kids and help them with their homework.

00:44:04.080 My dad was showing us like how to take a bullet.

00:44:06.780 How to get shot. 0.91

00:44:07.340 And a fake one. 0.85

00:44:07.980 Yeah.

00:44:08.580 It's quite helpful.

00:44:09.020 It's pretty wild.

00:44:09.960 Here's a tough one for you.

00:44:11.540 Who, who's, who is the better actor?

00:44:14.820 Charlie Sheen, Martin Sheen, or Emilio Estevez?

00:44:22.560 Wow.

00:44:23.660 Uh, gosh, I think dad's the best dramatic actor of the three of us.

00:44:30.380 I think I may have a slight edge in the comedy department, right?

00:44:37.420 Um,

00:44:37.820 Um, and I think Emilio is more comfortable than pop and myself, um, with romantic stuff.

00:44:47.620 Hmm.

00:44:48.140 I can see that.

00:44:48.880 I can see that.

00:44:50.380 Yeah.

00:44:50.860 But I didn't answer your question, did I?

00:44:52.980 Okay.

00:44:53.540 We didn't go with better or best, you know, like who's going to get the lifetime achievement award?

00:45:00.800 I, uh, hopefully pop.

00:45:02.800 Because, you know what I'm saying?

00:45:04.200 Yeah.

00:45:04.540 I mean, he's, he, he, yeah.

00:45:06.660 But, um, I think there's things that he, he can do that Emilio and I can't, stuff Emilio can do that pop and I can't, and then finish that triad with the other two that can't.

00:45:18.200 Yep.

00:45:18.860 Yep.

00:45:19.500 You know?

00:45:20.380 The scene, of course, in Wall Street with you and your dad.

00:45:23.940 I told you not to get into that racket in the first place.

00:45:26.540 You could have been a doctor or a lawyer.

00:45:28.180 You write about, you write as follows, uh, there are a few moments with dad in that film that had flashes of promise from my end.

00:45:38.220 He was his usual fabulous self and I was doing whatever I could to not vanish on screen next to him.

00:45:45.720 I mean, how special was it that you had that feeling about him and working with him?

00:45:52.220 And in part, that was portrayed in the relationship, uh, you know, between Bud Fox and his dad in the movie itself.

00:45:59.120 That's right.

00:45:59.760 Right, right, right.

00:46:00.720 No, it was, it was, it was, it was an incredible experience.

00:46:03.840 Um, I, you know, little, little pieces of regret throughout that, um, that I could have been more present, that I could have been just more, more dialed in, more professional.

00:46:15.580 I think what's, what's, I think covered nicely in the book is that, you know, Platoon is still burning down the box office when, when we start Wall Street.

00:46:24.960 And so there was like a lot of distraction.

00:46:28.560 Um, I wanted the party to keep going.

00:46:30.620 And, and I think that I mentioned something about, um, just wanting to be, um, you know, uh, uh, uh, playfully, uh, drunk on a fancy boat in tropical waters with beautiful women, you know, not like working again, stuff like that.

00:46:47.880 So there was a lot of distractions, um, doing that.

00:46:52.680 Um, so some of the stuff with dad, that, that, and, and he was well aware of it.

00:46:58.040 And so he, he, he was, um, I think just hoping for a more focused me.

00:47:03.560 And that's why I talk about doing my best to not vanish on screen next to him, but talent wise, but also just, you know, um, where, where, where, where my head was at, you know?

00:47:16.820 And, and speaking of Wall Street.

00:47:21.340 Is it time?

00:47:22.680 It's time.

00:47:23.960 Okay.

00:47:24.460 You know what?

00:47:25.060 Um, I think we should, uh, let's play SOT 51.

00:47:29.120 This is a kid.

00:47:30.720 Calls me 59 days in a row.

00:47:32.520 Wants to be a player.

00:47:34.500 Ought to be a picture of you in the dictionary on a persistence key.

00:47:37.680 I just want to let you know, Mr. Gecko, that I've read all about you at NYU business.

00:47:41.140 And I think you're an incredible genius.

00:47:44.320 I've always dreamed of one thing, and that's to do business with a man like you.

00:47:48.600 What firm are you with, pal?

00:47:49.800 Jackson Steinem.

00:47:51.040 They're going places.

00:47:51.900 Good junk bond department.

00:47:53.900 You do the financing on that, uh, Jansen investment?

00:47:57.020 Yeah.

00:47:57.580 Yeah.

00:47:57.840 We're working on some other interesting stuff.

00:48:00.500 Cosmetic company by any chance?

00:48:03.080 What are you, 12th man?

00:48:03.980 The deal team last to know?

00:48:05.300 I can't tell you that, Mr. Gecko.

00:48:08.000 Great stuff.

00:48:08.980 Is it true you don't look back fondly on that film, that you've only watched it twice?

00:48:14.800 I liked that scene.

00:48:17.080 Yeah.

00:48:17.720 What's not to like?

00:48:18.580 I mean, there's a lot going on there.

00:48:22.860 There's some charm.

00:48:23.780 There's some heart.

00:48:24.300 There's some, you know.

00:48:26.900 Yeah.

00:48:27.580 You know what?

00:48:28.320 Maybe it's time I revisit this thing.

00:48:31.360 You should.

00:48:32.280 Because I've seen it at least 20 times.

00:48:35.060 And it's-

00:48:35.700 It's such a special film.

00:48:37.820 I love the character arc of Bud Fox.

00:48:40.320 And I think it totally captures what happens to young guys on Wall Street to this day.

00:48:45.480 My husband actually wrote a book called Ghosts of Manhattan.

00:48:48.740 And it's all about this exact issue.

00:48:51.360 And I thought you just completely portrayed it.

00:48:53.300 You nailed it.

00:48:54.220 And the relationship that you have with your dad in the film is just the chef's kiss on top.

00:48:58.660 But can we both agree that Daryl Hannah was miscast?

00:49:03.640 She was.

00:49:04.600 And she knew it.

00:49:06.360 And she knew it.

00:49:07.580 Really?

00:49:09.000 I mean, she could feel it.

00:49:10.560 She could feel it.

00:49:11.600 And I think maybe some of the way that she wasn't as embraced as she could have been by Oliver.

00:49:17.640 And just in certain moments, you know.

00:49:19.280 And I do touch on some of that in the book.

00:49:22.320 Oliver's the only guy in the book that I-

00:49:25.080 I don't want to say I go after him.

00:49:26.860 But I do talk about things because I was describing these other experiences and these other films.

00:49:32.140 And I'm like, okay, you know, all this stuff can't just be like this lovey-dovey, flowery, actor-director, you know, relationship stuff.

00:49:40.720 There's, you know, when it got a little grumbly and a little tense, I thought that was worth sharing.

00:49:47.900 And, you know, it's not about, you know, taking him to task.

00:49:54.420 It's just about, like, pointing out things about him that he's freaking pointed out about other people for years, you know.

00:50:05.360 He's never been shy talking about certain actors and certain things and experiences.

00:50:09.960 And so, and also-

00:50:11.580 He can take his slings and arrows.

00:50:12.980 Yes, he can.

00:50:13.700 And he and I haven't worked together since Wall Street.

00:50:17.000 I mean, that shitty little cameo in the ill-advised sequel to Wall Street, right?

00:50:23.420 Yeah.

00:50:24.180 And so, but that doesn't count.

00:50:26.000 So, it's not like Oliver's been banging down my door since 1987, right?

00:50:30.020 So, maybe this approach gets his attention.

00:50:34.560 Maybe this will get him to reach out.

00:50:35.680 Yeah, this he'll respect.

00:50:37.960 All right.

00:50:38.260 Right on.

00:50:38.500 Your people are telling us we got to wrap, so I want to close with this.

00:50:40.740 Oh, Jesus.

00:50:41.700 I know.

00:50:42.260 I thought we were just getting warm.

00:50:43.660 The PR people are annoying, I'm telling you.

00:50:45.720 Just, you'll give me your number later and I'll go directly to you next time.

00:50:49.000 They'll love that.

00:50:50.840 Awesome.

00:50:51.800 This is where I want to end it.

00:50:53.100 And I hope this isn't too dark for you.

00:50:54.660 But you pulled yourself with some friendships and support out of decades of addiction.

00:51:03.540 And this time it seems to really be sticking.

00:51:06.360 You're eight years sober, which is amazing.

00:51:09.160 Thank you.

00:51:09.660 Thank you.

00:51:10.160 And here's what I want to ask you.

00:51:13.080 So, I know you knew Matthew Perry.

00:51:14.780 You write in the book, we were both veterans of the unspeakable.

00:51:18.960 Really well said.

00:51:20.580 Thank you.

00:51:21.880 And we did a long tribute to Matthew Perry, who was so talented, after he died.

00:51:26.340 And it was obvious that his addiction had not been totally licked.

00:51:29.860 And if you don't ultimately lick it and stay off of the drugs and stay clean, it ends the same for virtually everyone.

00:51:38.920 So, please don't do that to us.

00:51:42.880 Please know how important you are in our culture and as a figure who kids look up to and people admire and want to continue applauding and cheering for for decades to come.

00:51:55.420 And I really hope you know we're all rooting for you and just want nothing but good things for you.

00:52:01.340 That's amazing.

00:52:02.240 That is, there's such love and compassion in that.

00:52:06.520 And that is a request that I wholeheartedly have every intention of honoring.

00:52:17.720 Because it's like you were saying, you know, drugs are undefeated.

00:52:25.420 They're undefeated.

00:52:26.760 It's like 20 million to zero, you know?

00:52:30.080 And I just, I, even writing the book, watching the doc, it's, I mean, I'm the guy that lived it and survived it.

00:52:37.320 And I still don't completely know how.

00:52:41.460 I think the why part will be revealed over time.

00:52:44.680 And, you know, and that's fine.

00:52:46.440 That's not, that's not on, that's not up to me.

00:52:49.380 But, yeah, to get through that, you know, several times and then continue to thumb your nose at the universe, I think at that point you're asking for it, you know?

00:53:05.820 And it's interesting because you do talk about that Matthew, you know, was still struggling a little bit when he had to go on the tour and promote the book and do all that stuff.

00:53:16.000 But I could see it, and I know a lot of other people could too, and I could also hear it when I listened to the book.

00:53:21.800 I could hear just because, for a guy that just had such precision with his diction and his delivery and his timing and just everything.

00:53:30.860 And it just, it was just, just left of center.

00:53:34.900 And you just felt like, and I read his book.

00:53:38.040 I read it in a day because I've just got so deep into it and nothing else mattered.

00:53:42.760 And I wasn't stopping until I finished.

00:53:44.740 And, and I, I, I so wanted to reach out to him and I didn't.

00:53:50.020 And he, he, he died a month later and it was just, you know, so, yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to do that to my, to my kids.

00:53:59.740 I don't want to do that to my, the rest of my family.

00:54:02.300 Um, and yeah, it, um, if you, if you get a second, third, fourth, fifth chance, you know, wrap your arms around it and just, you know, just consider it a, a fricking lotto win every day.

00:54:18.720 Well, maybe there's a good, a better chance this time, because I'll tell you, um, I I'm a little younger than you are, but not by that much. 0.97

00:54:26.280 And I've referred to this as my fuck at fifties. 0.98

00:54:29.540 So you really don't, you don't care what people think of you. 0.99

00:54:32.640 You really change in your fifties for the better.

00:54:34.680 It's one delightful thing about getting older.

00:54:36.760 And I think more so when you're in your sixties.

00:54:40.160 So I feel like you've got all that ahead of you.

00:54:42.160 You've got all this goodness here.

00:54:44.060 You've hopefully will meet somebody and fall in love, which is not a false God.

00:54:48.580 You've already got enough money.

00:54:49.820 So you don't have to chase the dollar, which is another false God. 0.99

00:54:53.100 You've already proven that you can do all this shit to your body and still stay standing, which check. 0.99

00:54:59.160 Okay. 1.00

00:54:59.540 We've got that.

00:55:00.880 Maybe we won't continue the parties with Nick Cage.

00:55:03.200 That could be a thing of the past.

00:55:04.300 That's fine.

00:55:04.760 I think that that might be a healthy choice.

00:55:06.400 I leave it up to you, but whatever you choose, I really hope it fulfills you like from, from the inside and that you have like a, maybe not a fucking fifties, but like a, a spectacular sixties and beyond.

00:55:20.280 Cause we all are rooting for you.

00:55:22.600 Oh, thank you.

00:55:23.760 Thank you.

00:55:24.160 That is, that is, that just, that's, that's the nicest thing ever.

00:55:26.660 That is, that is so sweet.

00:55:27.680 And, and, and coming from you that, that, that means the world.

00:55:30.460 Thank you.

00:55:31.080 Oh, all right.

00:55:31.880 Well, I will, I will talk to you on the next episode of the Megan Kelly show where I'll be thinking of you.

00:55:35.960 As I say the word SOT 40.

00:55:40.080 That's amazing.

00:55:41.200 That this is, this has been a pleasure.

00:55:43.740 All the best, Charlie.

00:55:45.240 Or SOT 60.

00:55:47.720 That's right.

00:55:48.620 SOT 60.

00:55:49.200 Yeah.

00:55:49.400 In honor of Charlie Sheen.

00:55:52.040 All the best.

00:55:52.460 Right on.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 13, 2025

Charlie Sheen on Getting Sober, the Highs and Lows of Fame, and Mending Relationships With Family ｜ Ep. 1148

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