The Megyn Kelly Show - Chrissie Mayr on Cancel Culture, the State of Comedy, and Supporting Trump

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00:00:31.140 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.600 Today we've got Chrissy Mayer.

00:00:48.460 Chrissy's a comedian and host of the Chrissy Mayer podcast

00:00:51.140 and she also hosts a show on Compound Media Network

00:00:55.900 which we'll get to in one second.

00:00:57.760 But she is hilarious and she's very insightful about our society

00:01:02.740 and she also happens to be a Trump supporter,

00:01:06.080 the rare person in comedy, rare woman in particular,

00:01:09.720 who actually supported President Trump.

00:01:12.640 Though she voted Democrat, well, Green Party to be specific,

00:01:16.740 in the previous election in 2016.

00:01:18.620 So how does that kind of a person, right,

00:01:21.460 who was a feminist, who was a Democrat,

00:01:24.040 who voted Stein, wind up not only a Trump supporter

00:01:27.720 but actually at the Capitol Hill riot,

00:01:30.180 though she didn't storm the Capitol,

00:01:32.480 on January 6th, 2021.

00:01:35.180 We're going to get into it.

00:01:36.400 You'll hear a bit of her magic on some very funny bits

00:01:41.300 and how she's been sort of targeted for cancellation multiple times

00:01:46.280 and what she says changed her way of thinking.

00:01:49.360 You know, what got her politically activated the other way.

00:01:52.360 So we're going to get to Chrissy in one second.

00:01:54.480 First this.

00:02:00.100 All right, so you did not start off wanting to be a comedian.

00:02:03.800 It's not like you were dying to go into comedy.

00:02:06.380 In fact, as I read, you were dying to go into journalism.

00:02:11.380 Oh, yes.

00:02:12.440 What happened there?

00:02:13.540 I really wanted to be a reporter,

00:02:15.760 went to college for communications.

00:02:18.840 And then I had my first internship at Dateline at NBC,

00:02:23.460 my junior year of college.

00:02:25.740 And I got a load of Stone Phillips

00:02:28.560 and he sounded exactly off camera as he did on camera.

00:02:33.280 And he sounded, I was like,

00:02:34.700 wow, this doesn't seem like my speed.

00:02:37.520 I just found it pretty boring.

00:02:39.200 And I just was like, wow, this can't be it.

00:02:43.220 And I was, I don't know, looking back,

00:02:45.620 I was really proud of myself

00:02:46.560 because I was able to reach out at the time

00:02:48.960 to the only female writer on Conan at the time,

00:02:53.340 Alison Silverman.

00:02:54.660 And I was able to get myself an internship for Conan

00:02:57.400 for the following year, my senior year at college.

00:03:00.720 And I was so happy I did because once I got there,

00:03:03.440 I was like, oh, wow, these are my people,

00:03:05.540 you know, just talking to the writers.

00:03:07.400 It's not like I was having that much face-to-face time

00:03:10.640 with Conan.

00:03:11.260 I was like, here's your coffee.

00:03:12.660 But like, that was very exciting to me.

00:03:14.700 Like, I can do this.

00:03:16.340 Yeah, I have what it takes.

00:03:18.260 So should we be concerned that when I met

00:03:20.320 the likes of Stone Phillips,

00:03:21.340 I was like, yes, these are my people.

00:03:23.420 Oh, no.

00:03:24.060 I don't know, I'm concerned.

00:03:28.100 Maybe not him in particular,

00:03:29.080 but man, he is like out of central casting

00:03:31.280 for news anchor, isn't he?

00:03:32.980 With like the stone, the stone, the stony jaw,

00:03:36.160 like the block head, the deep voice.

00:03:39.040 He was born to do that.

00:03:40.820 Absolutely.

00:03:42.000 Right.

00:03:42.540 And you were thinking, no, can't relate.

00:03:44.460 This is how I was in the law, by the way.

00:03:46.380 It's one of the reasons I got out of the law

00:03:47.440 is I was looking around my law firm.

00:03:49.200 Great, great guys.

00:03:50.080 But, you know, like everyone there had two ex-wives

00:03:53.760 and two mortgages and a bunch of private school

00:03:56.400 tuitions to pay and they couldn't leave.

00:03:59.020 You know, they had the golden handcuffs on.

00:04:00.580 And all I could think of was that clip from

00:04:02.600 Legally Blonde where a young Reese Witherspoon

00:04:07.100 says she wants to go to law school.

00:04:09.240 And the dad is like, law school?

00:04:11.000 Law school is for people who are boring

00:04:12.900 and ugly and uninteresting.

00:04:14.720 And you're none of those things, button.

00:04:17.700 And she was like, what?

00:04:18.860 Like, it's hard.

00:04:20.080 That was great.

00:04:21.020 Right?

00:04:21.720 Exactly.

00:04:22.260 Yeah.

00:04:23.340 So, OK, so you decide the Conan O'Brien route

00:04:25.800 is much more interesting to you.

00:04:27.180 By the way, like Dateline, though, that's a great.

00:04:28.860 I mean, even I, with my bitter feelings about NBC,

00:04:32.540 they're mixed.

00:04:33.280 They're not all bitter.

00:04:34.080 Little bitter.

00:04:36.300 I love Dateline.

00:04:37.680 I love the team on Dateline, on cam and behind the scenes.

00:04:41.040 I still love that show.

00:04:42.560 If you're not listening to the Dateline podcast

00:04:44.380 in your spare time, you're just wasting your life

00:04:47.680 because they're gripping Keith Morrison.

00:04:50.360 Like, I love that stuff.

00:04:51.800 So did you get exposed to, like, the murder team?

00:04:54.580 Or what was that back in the day of, like, doing the, you know,

00:04:58.040 I was exposed to mostly the photocopying team.

00:05:02.900 My job was to make copies of the rundowns

00:05:06.700 and kind of, like, pass them.

00:05:07.680 Again, a lot of retrieving coffee.

00:05:10.260 I'm really good at getting coffee at this point.

00:05:12.320 I've had a lot of experience.

00:05:14.320 I was exposed to the photocopy team.

00:05:17.080 Yeah.

00:05:19.120 They didn't really give me any major responsibilities.

00:05:22.420 But it was a good overview.

00:05:23.560 It was, I mean, honestly, as a college student,

00:05:26.220 just to get into the building at 30 Rock is exciting.

00:05:29.240 And to be able to get college credit for going in two days a week

00:05:34.740 was really, it was great.

00:05:36.720 It was like my first real-life kind of job experience,

00:05:40.100 which is far more useful than anything I did or learned in college.

00:05:45.280 Yes, 100%.

00:05:46.440 I have an intern, by the way.

00:05:47.860 She's sitting here with me now.

00:05:48.960 Her name is Anna.

00:05:50.240 Abby is not with me for the summer.

00:05:51.580 She's here.

00:05:52.120 Abby's on this call.

00:05:53.140 But she's at her house with her kids,

00:05:56.200 and I'm down the shore, as they say, for the summer.

00:05:58.820 So I have an intern, and I'm drinking coffee,

00:06:01.740 but she didn't get it for me, right?

00:06:03.320 Oh, wow.

00:06:03.500 And how's it going so far, Anna?

00:06:04.620 It's been great.

00:06:05.380 See, she loves it.

00:06:06.040 She loves me.

00:06:06.940 You can't hear any of it, but it's a huge thumbs up.

00:06:11.340 Anna, clap if you're okay.

00:06:14.700 Okay, okay.

00:06:15.600 See?

00:06:17.060 Nailing it.

00:06:18.220 I tell you, I'm struggling this morning, Chrissy,

00:06:20.640 because I went out last night to our friend's house,

00:06:24.180 and I was over-served.

00:06:25.200 He made me the most giant martini I've ever seen in my life.

00:06:27.660 It didn't need to be that big.

00:06:29.600 Oof.

00:06:30.260 You were on the Jersey Shore?

00:06:32.080 Jersey Shore, baby.

00:06:33.520 Jersey.

00:06:33.940 Oh, wow.

00:06:34.620 Great.

00:06:35.060 I'm doing some shows out there in the next week or so,

00:06:38.220 so I'm excited.

00:06:38.660 I heard you say that.

00:06:39.520 On the 20th, I was listening to your podcast

00:06:41.380 with Tatiana Ibrahim.

00:06:43.940 Oh, yeah.

00:06:44.920 She's, I mean, wow.

00:06:46.880 I was so inspired just by talking to her.

00:06:49.760 I don't have any kids, but I was like, wow.

00:06:51.840 She's crazy fearless.

00:06:53.400 She was, she's the one, our audience may not know her by name,

00:06:56.360 but they know the clip, who went off on her school board.

00:06:59.000 She's like, who do you think pays for those chairs you're sitting in?

00:07:02.480 This, how dare you insult cops?

00:07:04.320 Do you know who lives in this district?

00:07:05.820 And, you know, she's like, what is racism?

00:07:08.160 Do you know what race I even am?

00:07:09.540 She was great.

00:07:11.380 And you had her on your show.

00:07:12.400 I listened to the whole thing.

00:07:13.660 She had no notes.

00:07:15.460 She, and it was kind of better.

00:07:16.900 You know, you listen to her speak and you're like, this is,

00:07:19.360 she's not coming up there with talking points or like an agenda.

00:07:24.000 She just like has love for her,

00:07:26.500 her children and the children in her school district.

00:07:29.840 And it was really amazing.

00:07:31.560 It was very inspiring.

00:07:32.580 I was like, oh wow.

00:07:33.700 So few people have balls now.

00:07:36.060 It's when you see someone who does it's yeah.

00:07:38.660 Bring it.

00:07:39.280 And then they were like, she's like, who do you think is paying for this?

00:07:42.480 And the, and the board is like, we're, these are unpaid positions, ma'am.

00:07:46.000 And she's like, who paid for those chairs?

00:07:48.420 Who's paying for the lights in this room?

00:07:50.540 Who paid for the pizza you ate before you got here?

00:07:52.900 And like, it was, I was like, oh my God, I love her.

00:07:56.900 She needs to be running something.

00:07:58.940 And she is getting organized and active now as a result of that sort of,

00:08:03.580 I don't know.

00:08:04.580 It was like grassroots activism in the moment.

00:08:07.300 Yeah.

00:08:07.460 She had so many people reach out to her and she was saying like,

00:08:10.360 just from different countries too, of course, like Cuba and Venezuela.

00:08:15.160 And, and that's interesting because when I was in DC a couple of times

00:08:19.160 covering the, the rallies that were going on in November, December,

00:08:22.840 and, and then also on the 6th,

00:08:24.820 those are the people who were so excited to come up and talk to me were people

00:08:28.140 from Cuba, Venezuela, or, or their parents are from those countries.

00:08:31.760 And they were so concerned about the direction the country was heading in.

00:08:35.500 Or anybody who's from the former Soviet union.

00:08:38.400 I mean, they'll, they'll, all those folks are like, what are you doing?

00:08:41.780 Well, you're supposed to be America.

00:08:43.000 But there's a, there's a reason we moved here.

00:08:45.680 It does give you a good window into where this is going.

00:08:49.480 And that's actually, as I understand it, kind of what activated your,

00:08:55.460 I don't know if you're political, but it activated your political gene.

00:08:58.680 Like you started thinking about politics in a way you never had before.

00:09:01.740 So explain that.

00:09:02.380 What, what happened?

00:09:03.340 Absolutely.

00:09:03.940 I was so just like, didn't care about politics.

00:09:07.540 I didn't feel like politics applied to me at all,

00:09:11.060 especially like throughout, you know, college.

00:09:13.120 And like in my twenties, I just, again, kind of the way I thought about like news,

00:09:17.800 I was like, oh, it's for boring people.

00:09:19.520 I don't know.

00:09:20.160 I don't really see myself in it.

00:09:21.500 And then starting around, I think probably 2018,

00:09:25.140 I started to really question my political identity.

00:09:29.680 I met Larry Sharp, who ran as a libertarian candidate

00:09:32.700 for governor of New York.

00:09:35.560 And I just, the, I, my whole identity started to sort of crack open.

00:09:40.060 And I was like, you know, sometimes I would take these online tests,

00:09:43.840 but more through talking to him, I was like, oh, wow.

00:09:46.300 I'm not really, I, I can't identify as like a liberal anymore

00:09:50.480 because we see what was happening to the left.

00:09:52.760 It was just getting more and more radicalized.

00:09:55.880 So that was a big step, but mainly it was seeing what was happening to free speech

00:10:00.720 and how it applied to comedy.

00:10:02.500 And I was like, oh no, like this, I, I have to care about this

00:10:06.100 because this is my future.

00:10:07.340 This is, uh, and to see comedians not get pissed off,

00:10:11.600 not get really concerned about what's happening is, is so strange.

00:10:15.380 Cause it's like, oh, wow.

00:10:16.220 You're just focusing on the fact that your team is winning, uh,

00:10:20.000 and not the larger picture.

00:10:22.100 I read this line to my husband, Doug, last night in my,

00:10:24.680 in my Canadian Debbie packet on you.

00:10:26.840 Um, she wasn't into politics until comedy started coming under assault

00:10:30.280 from cancel culture.

00:10:31.240 Then she realized, and this is in quotes,

00:10:33.260 I needed to fight for the right to tell dick jokes.

00:10:35.620 Oh my God.

00:10:39.180 Yeah.

00:10:39.580 They're so important.

00:10:40.720 We need to laugh.

00:10:41.800 I mean, I have some smart jokes too in there, but yeah.

00:10:47.080 No, but I, I get the point, right?

00:10:49.040 It's like not everybody, even in comedy is fighting for these rights,

00:10:53.600 which is nuts.

00:10:54.620 You'd think of all industries.

00:10:56.000 The comedians would be standing up saying, what are you saying?

00:10:59.660 You know, like we're the ones,

00:11:01.060 we're literally the ones who get to say anything totally irreverent.

00:11:05.600 Our business is being inappropriate, right?

00:11:08.080 But there's surrender even within the comedy ranks to this crazy cancel

00:11:12.160 culture, free speech erosion.

00:11:14.980 Absolutely.

00:11:15.580 As a comic in LA or New York,

00:11:17.780 there is an obligation to align with the left and to turn away from that

00:11:22.380 makes you kind of an untouchable in the industry and also a social pariah,

00:11:27.440 like among other, most other comics.

00:11:30.540 It's just the default setting is to be left.

00:11:33.900 And I was like, I, I, when I started standup at 26, like I was,

00:11:38.560 that was me.

00:11:39.720 I was a feminist.

00:11:40.400 I was like hating men.

00:11:41.840 I was like doing all the right things.

00:11:43.660 I was voting Democrat.

00:11:44.800 Um, but my career didn't really like,

00:11:47.640 wasn't really exploding even then when I was doing all the right things.

00:11:50.600 And I found as I just got older and I found like,

00:11:54.140 what are the things that are really making me laugh?

00:11:57.500 And I think at one point I decided to prioritize what I found funny over who

00:12:01.700 liked me.

00:12:03.140 Um, and it was just a lot of a little events, like, you know,

00:12:06.840 other comedians being extra critical of me.

00:12:09.580 Like I would do an impression of, of another comedian and then they would

00:12:12.840 just try to cancel me. They'd be like, Oh, this is,

00:12:15.320 it was so many little events that kind of came together and it,

00:12:19.320 and it helped me develop a much thicker skin.

00:12:22.660 Um, and I found that once I started caring more about what I found funny,

00:12:27.960 like the fans kind of followed, like the fans don't care as much.

00:12:31.720 I think about your political leaning, they just want to laugh.

00:12:35.900 And that was the biggest lesson I think over the last 10 years of my doing

00:12:39.560 standup was letting go of, of the, uh, the need to be liked by, you know,

00:12:46.060 comedy central industry or, or whoever's booking union hall in Brooklyn or

00:12:51.120 whatever venue or, uh, you know, impressing the right people hanging out.

00:12:55.260 So much of comedy is what 10 years ago for me,

00:12:58.620 I thought it was just hanging out in the right places,

00:13:00.600 getting the right people to like me.

00:13:02.360 And you spend so many hours just kind of hanging out at clubs or hanging out

00:13:07.220 to produce shows. And so much of it feels like high school, uh,

00:13:11.940 especially a lot of these comedy bookers,

00:13:13.740 they feel just like the, the kids who were not cool in high school.

00:13:17.360 And this is their way to like get back, you know,

00:13:21.180 it's like, Oh, we booked comedy shows.

00:13:23.320 Isn't it interesting? Like I would think, I don't know.

00:13:26.440 I'm kind of thinking that a lot of comedians are probably, this is weird,

00:13:31.200 but a little introverted, like a little, like slightly antisocial.

00:13:35.640 And so that requirement of hanging out at the clubs and making small talk and

00:13:39.400 wooing people into booking you, I don't know.

00:13:42.780 Does that come naturally or is that foreign?

00:13:44.200 Cause it's just the comedians I know are, they're brilliant on stage,

00:13:46.380 but behind the scenes, they're not these huge extroverts.

00:13:50.300 Oh, absolutely. There's so,

00:13:51.760 there's so many comics who are, who are introverts. Cause you're just,

00:13:55.420 and I don't know if it's an age thing, but the older I get,

00:13:57.800 the more I'm like in my head at crowds. I have all this anxiety.

00:14:01.460 I'm like, do these people hate me? Like,

00:14:03.540 do these people think I'm a domestic terrorist because I was, you know,

00:14:07.280 I was doing interviews at January 6th. Like,

00:14:10.800 you're an insurrectionist. Oh yeah.

00:14:14.340 I've been waiting for the FBI to knock on my door any day now.

00:14:18.720 So it's just, you worry so much about being liked.

00:14:22.540 And then with the standup comedy community,

00:14:24.300 you have either the kind of introverts that you're talking about,

00:14:27.740 like the socially anxious types,

00:14:29.660 or you have like the overly dramatic kind of,

00:14:34.300 maybe they're more theater types or maybe they're more actors and they like

00:14:38.080 outwardly love and need attention. They're always quote on,

00:14:41.860 they're always performing for everybody around them.

00:14:44.000 It's like,

00:14:44.260 they're trying to be hilarious even for like the guy getting their drink,

00:14:47.260 you know?

00:14:48.300 And the introvert types kind of, you know,

00:14:51.460 you see through that and you're like, Oh God,

00:14:53.080 I just don't want to like be around fakeness.

00:14:56.600 Cause it's our job to be, to be honest, to be brutally honest.

00:15:00.200 And that's like, you know,

00:15:01.980 sometimes we feel like,

00:15:02.660 am I tired of the cancel culture conversation?

00:15:04.960 But then I'm like, no,

00:15:05.620 I'm not because comedians are not allowed a first draft of anything anymore.

00:15:10.560 You look at all the arts, you know,

00:15:12.820 fine artists can do sketches and throw them away.

00:15:15.320 Singers can rehearse for hours in a studio and nobody ever hears it.

00:15:19.820 But with comedy, it's like our first drafts are, it's on Twitter.

00:15:24.140 It's, it's in our show on our, on stage and the shows, you know,

00:15:27.820 some clubs tell you not to record,

00:15:30.300 but sometimes people sneak out and record something and that should be okay.

00:15:35.280 It shouldn't be the end of you.

00:15:36.660 Like if you,

00:15:37.380 if you're a new comic and you have a rough patch and like,

00:15:40.820 maybe you are a little bit more racial with your jokes.

00:15:42.960 Like that shouldn't be the end of you.

00:15:45.180 You should be allowed to progress and evolve.

00:15:49.740 And even, I don't know.

00:15:51.940 It's like nothing should be off limits for comedians.

00:15:55.800 That's one of the reasons why Dave Chappelle is so brilliant.

00:15:58.480 He'll, he'll do it all.

00:15:59.920 And you feel totally uncomfortable.

00:16:01.520 Like, oh my God, he's making jokes out of school shootings.

00:16:06.180 Right.

00:16:06.620 It's like, and you're like, but I'm laughing.

00:16:09.360 But there's some relief in it, you know,

00:16:11.780 like the most horrific things you can think of.

00:16:15.240 Somehow he finds a way to make you like feel lighter in the moment.

00:16:19.100 That's a gift, but, but not everybody feels that way.

00:16:22.540 Okay.

00:16:22.680 So two examples, there's Seth Rogen who told good morning Britain,

00:16:27.200 that comedians should stop complaining about cancel culture and just accept when a joke has quote,

00:16:31.800 aged terribly.

00:16:32.860 And then Kat Williams, who is an Emmy award winning comedian.

00:16:38.320 He does not believe that there's a problem with cancel culture.

00:16:42.380 And here's what he said.

00:16:43.520 Listen.

00:16:43.960 Some of these things are for the benefit of everything.

00:16:48.300 Nobody likes the speed limit, but it's necessary.

00:16:51.040 Nobody likes the shoulder of the road, but it's there for a reason.

00:16:54.160 My point is, weren't all that extremely funny back when they could say whatever they wanted to say.

00:17:03.620 At the end of the day, there's no cancel culture.

00:17:07.600 Cancellation doesn't have its own culture.

00:17:10.480 I don't know what people we think got canceled that we wish we had back.

00:17:16.100 If all that's going to happen is we have to be more sensitive in the way that we talk, isn't that what we want anyway?

00:17:25.720 If these are the confines that keep you from doing the craft God put you to, then it probably ain't for you.

00:17:34.240 We need to be more careful in the way that we talk.

00:17:37.100 No.

00:17:37.860 Who are you to tell me that?

00:17:39.680 It's so easy for Kat Williams.

00:17:41.660 He's been famous and kind of uncancellable for a while.

00:17:45.140 And it's like, I don't want to hear what any household name has to say on cancel culture.

00:17:49.460 It's like, shut up.

00:17:50.220 You've made it.

00:17:50.900 You're good.

00:17:51.700 You have enough money.

00:17:52.860 Same thing with Seth Rogen.

00:17:54.020 I think he's done stand-up once, like maybe once.

00:17:57.460 And you look at all of Seth Rogen's movies, and there are so many scenes where he tells so many inappropriate jokes.

00:18:04.300 I feel like sometimes these celebrities, they'll make these statements to come at ahead of it.

00:18:09.500 You know, they're trying to like put up like, you know, a cushion so that they can't be canceled.

00:18:15.820 You know, they're like, oh, I'm going to say it first.

00:18:18.020 Like, I'm going to acknowledge it before somebody can come out with one of my clips from years ago.

00:18:22.940 But it's like you can't listen to anybody who has a household name when it comes to cancel culture because it's like it's not fair.

00:18:28.760 It's like you've made it, and if you slip up, you've got a team of people to help you make it right, to help you get through it, and you're not going to ruin, you know, all your future sources of income.

00:18:41.920 And I, like, I'm kind of, I believe, with parts of what Cat Williams said, and I disagree with parts of it, too.

00:18:48.940 Like, yeah, okay, you should be able to do your job as a comic.

00:18:53.080 You shouldn't have to, like, use every cuss word.

00:18:55.540 You shouldn't be, you know, I especially believe with female comics, you shouldn't be super graphic in talking about, like, your genitals, right?

00:19:02.060 Like, you shouldn't, you should be able to make people laugh without cursing or being super graphic or being super gross.

00:19:07.740 So I believe with that part.

00:19:09.900 But he compares comedy to, like, the speed limit.

00:19:14.100 It's, and that's not a fair comparison.

00:19:15.900 It's not, it's not the speed limit.

00:19:17.520 Like, words aren't as dangerous as a speeding car.

00:19:20.280 Words only have the danger or the value that you give to them, especially when you have so many black comics.

00:19:27.880 Use the N-word.

00:19:28.980 They're throwing it away.

00:19:29.900 It's like, well, they can say it.

00:19:31.020 But, like, if a white person says it, they need to be completely shut down.

00:19:35.400 So.

00:19:35.580 Well, the fact that we're listening to Seth Rogen on anything, right?

00:19:38.240 Like, he's.

00:19:39.040 Yeah.

00:19:39.700 People do use his social commentary.

00:19:41.380 They refer to it quite a bit.

00:19:42.680 But this is the same guy who, remember this story, Paul Ryan's sons saw him at an event and asked if they could do a photo with him and their dad.

00:19:52.880 And he's like, oh, I saw Paul Ryan, you know, as the dad walk.

00:19:56.060 And I was like, no way.

00:19:57.580 No way.

00:19:58.140 I hate what you're doing to this country right now.

00:19:59.780 Paul Ryan, like a very milquetoast Republican.

00:20:02.540 Yeah.

00:20:03.220 And that's how hateful this guy is.

00:20:05.300 Seth Rogen hates anybody who's not of the far left.

00:20:08.840 Right. And yet he's the one who's out there like, look, you know, acknowledge when you've crossed a line.

00:20:13.940 Right. Who died and made you the arbiter of that?

00:20:16.760 If you get to decide everything, Stephen Colbert lives.

00:20:20.400 Jimmy Kimmel lives.

00:20:21.960 Right. But probably Joe Rogan has to go away.

00:20:24.800 Anybody who doesn't who takes risks that, you know, don't that don't align with his politics.

00:20:31.240 Absolutely.

00:20:31.640 It's like you're it's it's a it's a question of they're making it like they're comparing taste to standards of of talent.

00:20:39.920 Like just because it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean that person is not extremely talented.

00:20:44.200 And that's what I hate.

00:20:45.300 Like.

00:20:46.540 A joke is it should be allowed to live if even one person laughs, you know, and that's what sucks about cancel culture.

00:20:53.380 It gives the offended few the power to dictate content for many.

00:20:58.660 And just because the the noisy, offended few people are like, oh, we got to shut this down.

00:21:02.740 We got to take this off. We got to take this person out out of the running.

00:21:05.580 They can't create content anymore.

00:21:07.160 It's like, well, there could have been tens, hundreds, thousands of people who really were quietly enjoying that comic or that performer.

00:21:15.360 They just now they really won't say it when they see the person come under fire.

00:21:19.160 However, you've had it happen to you a couple of times and we haven't been officially canceled.

00:21:23.920 But what what would you say you've done that is the most controversial thing like that led to the most blowback?

00:21:30.600 Oh, God. Yeah.

00:21:32.060 OK. Biggest thing.

00:21:33.160 Let's see what when the pandemic first came out last year, I made Gal Gadot put together a compilation of her and other celebrities.

00:21:41.360 And they were singing.

00:21:42.940 Imagine that I guess I thought it was absurd.

00:21:44.980 Bring all of us together and calm us down.

00:21:48.060 So cringy.

00:21:49.160 Here's the biggest cringy thing I saw.

00:21:51.980 It's exactly what I said before.

00:21:53.360 Like when you're a celebrity, it's like you're kind of lifted.

00:21:57.420 Greatness comes from struggle.

00:21:58.720 But with success and definitely celebrity, you risk losing that struggle, which is why I don't think anybody should listen to anybody like celebrities when it comes to cancel culture.

00:22:07.680 Maybe Ricky Gervais and Adam Carolla.

00:22:10.040 Like they've kind of held their, you know, their values when it comes to that.

00:22:16.780 Yes.

00:22:17.420 Yeah.

00:22:17.980 But when you're still fighting for the little guy.

00:22:20.040 Yes.

00:22:20.560 Yeah.

00:22:20.820 They're still in touch with the little guy and the working person.

00:22:23.700 I think when you cannot risk losing your cushy lifestyle, that becomes more important than speaking the truth and saying what needs to be said.

00:22:33.080 And when we saw with these celebrities, that compilation singing, imagine like, oh, they're so out of touch.

00:22:38.040 So I was like, why don't I do a little compilation with me and my quote celebrity friends?

00:22:42.140 I don't have celebrity friends.

00:22:43.300 It's just all other comedians.

00:22:45.080 And we all sang a line to Kung Fu fighting.

00:22:48.620 And I said, I can you can say Kung Fu or not because Trump was saying it.

00:22:52.440 It was a trending hashtag.

00:22:53.780 It was a thing.

00:22:54.920 It was a thing.

00:22:56.180 So I just put together pretty quickly a compilation of that, put it out.

00:23:01.040 And I think Steven Crowder did a version of Kung Fu fighting, too.

00:23:04.840 It was just this is what comedians do.

00:23:06.600 You kind of a lot of us have maybe this similar idea.

00:23:09.120 And then it's just whoever can put it out quickest and ended up getting so much blowback.

00:23:15.080 Like the woke Asian community came after me.

00:23:17.940 There were people online who thought that I have written the lyrics to that song.

00:23:21.860 I was like, you people are so dumb.

00:23:23.540 Like this song has been out since the 70s.

00:23:25.420 What are you talking about?

00:23:26.780 It's a great song.

00:23:28.380 Yeah.

00:23:28.560 And they thought I was being anti-Asian.

00:23:30.160 I'm like, no, the point is, is that I'm being kind of like anti-celebrity.

00:23:34.860 But also it's like, OK, is it is it inappropriate?

00:23:38.460 Yeah.

00:23:39.100 But comedy shouldn't be held to those standards.

00:23:41.960 Comedy is politically incorrect.

00:23:43.580 Comedy shouldn't be woke.

00:23:45.280 Comedy is almost designed to offend.

00:23:47.800 If you want to be offended, you could go to any comedy club in the nation and find plenty

00:23:52.120 of reasons to be.

00:23:53.860 Don't look to comedians to make you feel better about our dialogue with one another

00:23:59.140 being as close to the Queen's English and behavior as possible.

00:24:03.560 Yeah, it's supposed to be silly and goofy.

00:24:06.980 And that's like a kind of I think the biggest problem is like it used to be if you wanted

00:24:12.640 to go and see comedy and you loved comedy, you'd have to go to a building, you have to

00:24:16.520 go to a club like 80s, 90s, 2000s.

00:24:19.220 That was the way.

00:24:20.020 Right.

00:24:20.240 And then once social media, once our amazing cell phones put comedy and content creators

00:24:25.680 in everybody's pocket, well, now everybody gets a say.

00:24:29.880 And if you're not somebody who would like comedy or has a good sense of humor, it's like, well,

00:24:34.980 well, now you kind of have the power to have a say over comedians, which is great.

00:24:40.500 Everybody should have a say.

00:24:41.260 But it's like people who don't have to listen.

00:24:44.200 Exactly.

00:24:44.760 People who don't appreciate comedy.

00:24:45.960 And you shouldn't.

00:24:47.560 Exactly.

00:24:48.320 It's like, well, now it's like it's right here in our faces.

00:24:50.640 It comes up.

00:24:52.100 This person's trending or or this TikTok video is trending and get to see it.

00:24:56.300 And it's like, well, you may not have sought that comedy out, but now it's come to you

00:25:00.620 and you're like, oh, I don't like it.

00:25:02.720 Up next, we're going to talk about how Chrissy and a little Tim Dillon were dancing together

00:25:10.000 as Little Tots in Long Island.

00:25:13.540 You'll love the story.

00:25:14.860 And then we're going to talk about how she wound up voting for Donald Trump.

00:25:18.820 That's in one minute.

00:25:19.720 First, this.

00:25:23.060 So do you think that social media has been a force for good or like a net good or net bad

00:25:28.140 for comedy?

00:25:28.760 I think I think absolutely net good because it used to be what I used to be like afraid

00:25:36.400 to ever move out of the city.

00:25:38.020 Like I moved in with my boyfriend like four years ago and I thought it was going to be

00:25:43.300 like the end of my career.

00:25:45.020 I was like, I can't move out of Queens.

00:25:46.820 Like I had lived in Brooklyn.

00:25:47.980 I had lived in Williamsburg.

00:25:50.420 I had lived in the story of Queens and I moved up with him in up in Westchester.

00:25:56.580 I'm like, I'm done.

00:25:57.560 I have to be close to the city.

00:25:58.880 I was so worried about my career.

00:26:01.100 But and now you fast forward to 2021.

00:26:03.560 Now it's an asset to live away from the city.

00:26:05.920 People are moving out of New York entirely.

00:26:07.780 People are moving out of cities.

00:26:09.820 And well, there's so much material in Westchester.

00:26:12.660 Oh, God.

00:26:13.060 I lived there for a little while.

00:26:14.520 It's such an interesting group of people and way to live.

00:26:18.400 It's very it's sort of white bread, I will say.

00:26:22.220 It's like there's sort of an M.O.

00:26:24.760 where most of the guys work on Wall Street.

00:26:26.560 Most of the women don't work outside of the home.

00:26:30.200 And as Doug put it, there was where we lived in this one small town.

00:26:33.900 It seemed to be a competition.

00:26:34.880 Every party was a competition to see how how much clothes the women could take off.

00:26:39.020 Right.

00:26:39.480 Like, oh, God.

00:26:40.200 How little they could cover when arriving at the party.

00:26:43.860 It's like everything's an excuse to wear your, you know, sexy kitten costume or whatever.

00:26:48.000 Oh, my God.

00:26:49.340 Yeah.

00:26:49.540 And I was born and raised on Long Island, too.

00:26:51.520 And I and I heard you interview Tim Dillon.

00:26:53.560 And he and I actually went to the same like little kids dance class together when we were

00:26:58.480 like very, very young.

00:27:00.020 It's insane.

00:27:00.840 I wish I had to find these pictures, Megan.

00:27:03.040 I had to find these pictures because it's like he was like he was like this little blonde

00:27:08.000 thing and he was very, very good.

00:27:09.700 He was like very passionate and good at dance.

00:27:12.260 He had so much spunk.

00:27:14.440 He was I was like he he was like a born performer.

00:27:18.180 And to see that he's grown up to the Tim Dillon, we all know today is like blows me away because

00:27:23.540 he was just like this spunky little turn the beat around.

00:27:27.740 He would be like nailing steps.

00:27:31.060 And spectacular.

00:27:32.600 And so like, yeah, anyone from Long Island knows.

00:27:35.400 Yeah, it's all like cops, teachers, firemen, you know, and there's a lot of funny people

00:27:40.480 who came out of Long Island, you know, like Amy Schumer.

00:27:44.940 Well, she used to be funny, but David Tell.

00:27:48.180 Um, I think it was all the chemical testing that happened on Long Island those years ago.

00:27:53.700 I think that's we've created a lot of funny people that way.

00:27:57.180 Something went wrong.

00:27:58.340 Well, so so have you I mean, what's it what's it like for you in Westchester?

00:28:02.240 Because it's I mean, anthropologically, it must be very interesting.

00:28:07.260 Well, yeah, it's like I'm renting right now like that.

00:28:09.720 We're we're kind of like looking to to buy a house, but the market's been so crazy the

00:28:15.300 last year.

00:28:15.720 I think it's starting to calm down a little bit because I just we weren't at a point where

00:28:19.520 we're going to like we're willing to like overpay tens of thousands of dollars on something.

00:28:24.460 But we're going to keep looking.

00:28:25.780 And the best part about is that you can have a thriving comedy career and you don't have

00:28:30.060 to live in a in a big city or even a comedy city.

00:28:33.380 It's you can it's like you just get to know you have to know social media.

00:28:38.720 You have to know how to clip your whether it's a little bit of time on stage or doing

00:28:44.380 characters or I mean, that's something I could definitely always spend more time doing.

00:28:49.180 But I think, you know, doing this, doing my longer form interview podcast is where I've

00:28:54.160 put most of my energy.

00:28:55.040 And I have another show on compound media called The Wet Spot, which is a sex dating

00:28:59.880 relationship like advice panel show.

00:29:02.820 So who do people call in on that?

00:29:04.760 I did.

00:29:04.980 I did see that.

00:29:05.840 I confess that one I haven't listened to.

00:29:08.500 But are you like a modern day Dr.

00:29:11.100 Ruth on that or what's the story there?

00:29:12.960 Oh, gosh.

00:29:13.700 Yeah, that's what we're trying to be.

00:29:15.120 It's yeah.

00:29:15.660 People can call in.

00:29:17.120 It's on compound media.

00:29:19.040 And I kind of wanted it to be like how early Howard Stern was, where he would have like

00:29:24.440 comedians and like porn stars in.

00:29:26.540 And sometimes like, you know, some sometimes somebody will like flash their boobs or like

00:29:31.860 do something crazy with their body.

00:29:33.600 And it's just like, I mean, sometimes it's like Googling it right now.

00:29:37.540 Yeah.

00:29:37.820 Sometimes it's NC-17, but it's mostly just fun.

00:29:42.060 And people call in looking for advice and or sometimes we'll just talk about like whatever

00:29:47.740 like sex dating relating topics are kind of like trending.

00:29:50.960 This could be a lucrative lane for you because that girl who hosts Call Her Daddy, that podcast

00:29:55.400 just got paid $20 million a year by Spotify.

00:30:01.020 Yeah.

00:30:01.400 She was with Barstool Sports, her podcast.

00:30:04.120 And Dave Portnoy kind of found her and gave her her start.

00:30:07.600 And she had the other co-host with her.

00:30:08.940 Then they had a meltdown and the other gal left.

00:30:10.860 And Alex Cooper.

00:30:13.180 Yeah, that's her name.

00:30:13.820 So she kept doing it herself and just signed a deal with Spotify.

00:30:18.720 I guess she's leaving Barstool 20 minutes.

00:30:20.760 So there is money in talking about the sex acts.

00:30:24.160 Stay with it, Chrissy.

00:30:24.940 Don't give up.

00:30:25.340 What the hell?

00:30:26.280 I have to dye my hair blonde.

00:30:27.900 I need to like work out a little bit more.

00:30:30.460 It's crazy to me.

00:30:31.400 Like these people who blow up and you're like, why?

00:30:34.280 I know.

00:30:34.760 I don't get it.

00:30:35.980 I don't I don't totally get it either, but there's a market for it.

00:30:39.120 And she was just apropos of nothing.

00:30:41.120 There was a bizarre video of this gal circulating last week where she let her dog lick her tongue

00:30:47.000 and she put it she put it on social media.

00:30:49.620 And it was the weirdest thing that people accused her of bestiality.

00:30:54.160 You know, it is so weird.

00:30:55.680 And she's like the kind of girl like girls want to be here and guys like want to bang

00:31:00.860 her.

00:31:01.420 And I think that's, you know, it's probably has like a lot of fun sex stories.

00:31:04.660 I listened to a couple episodes, but I was like, I can't I can't do it anymore.

00:31:07.860 I have to say, I do not want to be her.

00:31:10.260 And it's not even though I applaud her success.

00:31:13.500 I have to be 100 percent, but I'd certainly rather my own daughter go a different route.

00:31:18.200 She's only 25 years old, though.

00:31:19.440 So she's killing and she's kind of like Kardashian making a bunch of money at a very young age

00:31:23.500 by putting something kind of superficial out there.

00:31:26.260 All those sex is part of everybody's life for the most part and and worth discussing.

00:31:30.740 And I thought you did.

00:31:32.200 You did a bit.

00:31:33.220 I'll tee it up for you on certain positions that you addressed.

00:31:36.720 And one of them was your objection to doggy style.

00:31:40.160 Oh, yeah.

00:31:40.640 I hate it.

00:31:41.180 Why?

00:31:42.860 What's what's the story?

00:31:44.200 It's it's it's it's very impersonal.

00:31:46.980 Like, I know it feels I'm not gonna get so graphic.

00:31:49.380 I know it feels good for the guy, but it's like, come on, like it could be anybody there

00:31:53.480 in front of you.

00:31:54.220 It's like it's hard to have a conversation.

00:31:55.780 It's like you wouldn't get to turn around and be like, are you do you even know?

00:32:00.160 Are we going to your mom's for Fourth of July?

00:32:02.460 It's like you can't look somebody in the face.

00:32:06.060 It's it's you can both be on your any position where you could both be on your phone and

00:32:12.040 the other person wouldn't know is not a good position.

00:32:17.340 I was like, hey, you see the news about Vladimir Putin.

00:32:20.020 Who's talking in that moment?

00:32:22.240 You don't have to be face to face.

00:32:24.380 Hey, watch where you're putting that.

00:32:25.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:32:29.080 But like so you have an alternative.

00:32:30.900 What's the alternative?

00:32:31.540 The alternative is, you know, there's you could look somebody in the eye, you know,

00:32:37.780 old fashioned missionary.

00:32:39.480 But I think the future is is a is picking an animal that is cuter, that's a little bit

00:32:45.000 more respectable.

00:32:46.080 I think maybe we should have sex like a cat, you know, kitty style.

00:32:50.400 And I don't know if you've ever tried this, Megan.

00:32:52.340 If not, you should.

00:32:53.900 This is what you should do tonight.

00:32:55.560 Kitty style.

00:32:56.800 It's I'll go through it really quickly.

00:32:58.580 It's it's where you and your guy are like having sex, everything's going great, you

00:33:03.060 know, but then all of a sudden one of you just runs away suddenly and that's it.

00:33:08.700 You're just you saw something more interesting.

00:33:13.460 I'm going to give it a try.

00:33:14.960 Give it a try.

00:33:16.160 Give it a try.

00:33:16.580 And getting back to your other point when you're talking about like my sort of process

00:33:22.340 of being anti-woke and finding myself, a big part of that was getting a show on Compound

00:33:31.360 Media because it's Anthony Cooney's network.

00:33:35.420 And he was already, I guess, kind of a polarizing figure.

00:33:40.280 People some people love a lot of people love him.

00:33:42.240 Some people hate him.

00:33:44.820 He's kind of more on the right with his politics.

00:33:47.780 So unfortunately, like you get kind of stereotyped.

00:33:51.340 Like as soon as I got a show on Compound Media, people like, oh, you're you're far right.

00:33:55.720 And it's so funny, like because of that default, I said earlier, is that default is to be on

00:34:00.040 the left in comedy.

00:34:01.720 A comic who voted for Trump and is like vocal about voting for Trump is seen as, quote,

00:34:06.100 more political than a comic who voted for Biden or who is like out Biden or Obama or

00:34:12.220 whatever.

00:34:12.740 And just the same thing.

00:34:13.960 It's such BS.

00:34:15.260 And if like if you go to a Trump rally, you're seen as like radical and political.

00:34:20.120 But if you go to a BLM rally and you light something on fire, it's like you're a good

00:34:25.160 person that you're a good person.

00:34:26.740 And that's normal.

00:34:28.260 So once I got the show on Compound Media, like it was it was pretty crazy because before

00:34:33.880 I got that show, I spent six years.

00:34:35.700 I hosted a show at the Stonewall Inn, which is a New York City LGBT landmark.

00:34:39.880 It was the site of the Stonewall riots in 1969, like very important spot.

00:34:45.420 I ran a show there, put so much of my own money into advertising.

00:34:48.840 I would constantly be scouting like up and coming LGBT talent.

00:34:52.980 I would get heavy hitters from the cellar to come in and just it was a great show, great

00:34:57.260 lineup.

00:34:57.600 So I did that for six years.

00:34:58.540 So I would have certain people kissing my ass, being nice to me.

00:35:02.260 And as soon as I stopped doing that show and started doing Compound Media, it's like you

00:35:06.440 see what people think of you right away and you see how selfish so many comedians are like

00:35:10.900 they're ultimately just out for themselves.

00:35:12.960 And they'll I mean, I had a very good friend call me like a conservative mouthpiece and you

00:35:21.260 just have to step back and be like, oh, wow, this is OK.

00:35:24.320 People show you who they are.

00:35:25.800 And I started covering the the rallies.

00:35:30.260 First, I went in November, then I went December, and then I was there on the six because yeah,

00:35:34.200 the Trump rallies, because I was like, I know the media is not being honest and not showing

00:35:38.840 us.

00:35:39.180 And I was very curious.

00:35:40.280 I'm like, you know what?

00:35:40.760 Let me meet these MAGA people.

00:35:43.580 Let me see if they're all like redneck hillbillies, morons like the media is telling us that they

00:35:48.620 are.

00:35:48.860 And I get there and I was so blown away.

00:35:51.700 It was the most diverse people, families, you know, all all colors, all ethnicities.

00:36:00.160 And like I said before, the people who were so excited to come up to me and do little interviews

00:36:03.840 were the people from like, you know, or whose parents were from Cuba or Venezuela.

00:36:08.080 And just so the passion and love for this country, the earth, salt of the earth, it's it doesn't

00:36:15.220 tend to be the elite media, whatever crowd, the glasses at the end of their noses.

00:36:20.180 And that's not a bad thing.

00:36:22.100 Yeah, it was.

00:36:22.620 I learned so much.

00:36:23.480 The rallies and then people start looking at you like you're Donald Trump Jr.

00:36:27.700 And but I mean, you voted for Trump.

00:36:29.600 I think you might be the only person in America who voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and Trump in

00:36:35.980 2020.

00:36:36.820 What what what happened?

00:36:38.540 What but was that because of the political awakening and the cancel culture and all that

00:36:43.260 stuff?

00:36:43.520 Because I think a lot of us have gone through that.

00:36:45.620 I think 2016 I was like halfway out.

00:36:48.100 I was like a little chick starting to crack out of an egg.

00:36:50.880 I was like not fully on board with Trump, didn't understand him, didn't appreciate

00:36:55.780 him yet.

00:36:56.540 But I knew that Hillary Clinton was not the answer.

00:36:59.100 And I was like starting to break out of like my sort of feminist mold there.

00:37:03.760 So I was like I was not getting a good feeling from Hillary.

00:37:06.700 I had no idea like how evil and horrible she is like I do now.

00:37:11.420 But I just was like, yeah, I'm not sold on either one.

00:37:14.380 So I went with Jill Stein.

00:37:17.200 Not a great choice, but I made it.

00:37:19.640 I got here eventually.

00:37:21.820 And and so, you know, I didn't get any real blowback from going to the November rally or

00:37:27.120 December.

00:37:28.440 But with January, I went because I was like, let me just see if they cover it January 6th

00:37:33.000 the way they covered November and December.

00:37:35.080 You know, they would do the mainstream media would do like an early morning fly over like

00:37:40.360 6 a.m. before anybody really assembled like, oh, look, there's 40 people here.

00:37:44.240 This is a non event.

00:37:45.320 So I was really curious to see how they would cover it.

00:37:49.820 And I remember I just, you know, again, I'm doing interviews and just sort of man on the

00:37:54.080 street, had my camera out.

00:37:56.640 It was like so, so cold.

00:37:58.260 And it just bothers me because I was there and anybody who was there on the 6th is like

00:38:04.000 blown away with how it like inaccurate the media coverage is.

00:38:07.500 It's like, don't at this point, it's like I don't want to listen to anybody's thoughts

00:38:10.780 on the 6th unless unless they were like there, like physically there, because it just so was

00:38:16.300 not a big deal.

00:38:17.080 Like I have this tweet.

00:38:18.360 Oh, it was after I forget his name.

00:38:20.120 He this guy like donated his suit to the Smithsonian, the suit that he wore on January 6th.

00:38:25.420 And I had this tweet where I was like, wow, I think there was more carnage at my first

00:38:29.740 period, which I know is a horrible.

00:38:32.260 But I was like, I was making a point.

00:38:34.600 Yeah.

00:38:35.300 Yes.

00:38:35.980 Andy, relax.

00:38:36.440 As a symbol of hope and resilience and a story of light on one of the darkest days in

00:38:41.160 our democracy.

00:38:42.120 Stop it.

00:38:42.660 He donated it to the Smithsonian because he'd been wearing it in a photo of him cleaning

00:38:48.880 up the Capitol after the fact.

00:38:51.000 And, you know, now the Smithsonian has apparently accepted it.

00:38:54.240 So, yes.

00:38:54.740 OK, so I see your point about the carnage.

00:38:56.960 Yeah.

00:38:58.180 I mean, it's horrible.

00:38:59.080 Like, like actually Babbitt was murdered.

00:39:01.880 Should not have happened.

00:39:03.100 But like for a group of people who could have come fully armed to the Capitol, they didn't.

00:39:08.480 It was extremely peaceful and chill.

00:39:10.640 And most of us didn't even know what was happening until like hours later, until like four or

00:39:15.520 five o'clock when we were leaving.

00:39:17.160 And I remember on my on my way when we were walking to the Capitol because it was nothing

00:39:21.380 Trump ever said.

00:39:22.340 It wasn't like in charge.

00:39:24.340 It wasn't like a scene at a Braveheart where he was like telling us what to do.

00:39:27.880 Dying in your bed.

00:39:29.260 Yeah.

00:39:30.140 Yeah.

00:39:30.360 Years from now.

00:39:31.580 There was a schedule of events like there was with every rally.

00:39:34.920 You know, a little graphic circulates before you go there.

00:39:37.560 Like, OK, this night is this person speaking here and tomorrow it's you know, it was planned.

00:39:43.700 So I remember the night before it was like there were speakers happening in one area.

00:39:47.760 And then the morning of it was like, OK, we're all going to meet.

00:39:50.940 What is it called?

00:39:51.480 The president's the ellipsis or something.

00:39:55.480 Someone was you know, we had been out there since like 8 a.m.

00:39:57.940 And then Trump was supposed to speak at 11.

00:39:59.760 He didn't start speaking till 12.

00:40:01.900 So all of us were getting cold and we're like, all right, we can't really stay in here

00:40:06.500 this whole speech.

00:40:07.560 So the next march point, the next pre-planned event was like, OK, we're all going to march

00:40:13.120 to the Capitol.

00:40:13.820 It was nothing like him going charge.

00:40:16.000 You know, it was just that was the next place we were supposed to go to.

00:40:18.800 And I remember I tweeted out just a little bit of video.

00:40:22.500 And it was me saying like, all right, marching to the Capitol or something like that.

00:40:26.400 And one of these New York City like woke comedy bookers took it, retweeted it with a comment

00:40:32.720 saying like, I don't know what comics in L.A. are doing, but here in New York, they're

00:40:37.400 storming the Capitol.

00:40:38.760 And this was a woman like I don't work with.

00:40:40.600 I'm not friends with.

00:40:41.660 It's like they use it to virtue signal.

00:40:44.380 It's like you don't even know what was going on.

00:40:46.620 Like you don't even know that it was like mostly the most chill thing ever.

00:40:51.740 It was like people had blankets and picnics and families and hilarious costumes.

00:40:56.560 But a faction turned.

00:40:58.060 And there's no question, of course, yeah, this is so much worse than it actually was.

00:41:01.840 But, you know, we we've all seen the video of people like screaming in the face of cops

00:41:06.440 being totally disparaging and, you know, defecating on the floor of the U.S.

00:41:10.660 Capitol.

00:41:11.400 And crazy lawmakers were understandably afraid, you know, not like AOC.

00:41:16.020 I need therapy for the rest of my life, afraid, but I could understand it.

00:41:19.560 And I didn't like seeing it at all.

00:41:21.780 If that's our Capitol, get the hell out of there.

00:41:23.440 Have some respect.

00:41:24.420 Don't threaten the cops.

00:41:25.700 Screw you.

00:41:26.280 You know, the MAGA crowd is supposed to be pro cop, you know, and you don't get in their

00:41:30.340 faces and yell at them and say that, you know, all this shitty stuff, which I heard, you

00:41:34.000 know, my own ears.

00:41:34.740 But that doesn't mean any of that.

00:41:36.880 Yeah, that doesn't mean that's what the entire crowd was there for, intended to do.

00:41:41.680 So they got tarred by the actions of like some losers who went a different way.

00:41:46.900 And then the media did what it does, which is any bad behavior gets gets attributed to

00:41:52.020 the entire group of Trump supporters, not just in on the Capitol, but in the country.

00:41:57.920 Remember, after that, it was like you're a MAGA supporter.

00:42:00.100 You're you're a Trump supporter.

00:42:01.200 You're on the banned list.

00:42:02.440 It wasn't just like, did you storm the Capitol?

00:42:05.080 It was like if you voted for Trump, you're banned.

00:42:07.360 You're not.

00:42:07.880 Oh, yeah, you're not getting anything.

00:42:09.280 It took less and less.

00:42:10.720 It's like, oh, do you own cargo shorts?

00:42:13.580 Well, you're on the list now.

00:42:15.140 It's like, do you have an American flag in your car?

00:42:17.600 Is that a tell?

00:42:18.460 Cargo shorts?

00:42:19.460 I didn't.

00:42:19.820 The flag, I know.

00:42:20.840 But cargo.

00:42:21.980 No.

00:42:22.520 Yeah.

00:42:23.560 It takes less and less.

00:42:25.000 Yeah, of course it was horrible.

00:42:26.060 Like, you know, a few people really did like ruin the event for everybody else.

00:42:29.180 And there there is footage of of like MAGA and Trump supporters like trying to stop

00:42:34.320 people from getting cops faces, trying to like take.

00:42:37.980 You know, I had this friend who was another independent journalist.

00:42:40.820 He said that he saw somebody like passing up a sledgehammer and then somebody else took

00:42:44.580 that and gave it to a cop because they were like actively trying to stop destruction.

00:42:49.940 So, yeah, I'm not going to say like nothing happened, but it wasn't an insurrection.

00:42:55.140 It wasn't the way people have portrayed like it.

00:42:57.180 And I understand that that's based in part on just the overall messaging from Team Trump

00:43:02.600 at the time, which was I didn't lose.

00:43:04.480 We have to fight.

00:43:05.600 Mike Pence should take it back.

00:43:07.200 And, you know, subverting the democratic process with, you know, stuff that was unsupported

00:43:12.120 in Trump.

00:43:12.500 So like Mike Pence did not have the authority to hand in the election and he misled people.

00:43:16.280 So they're tying together the political rhetoric with what we saw, you know, with people storming.

00:43:21.720 And it misses, of course, like all these news stories, any nuance.

00:43:25.460 Like what about the people who weren't there at all for that?

00:43:27.420 And we've we've talked to folks who were there as well on this show.

00:43:30.100 But here's what I wanted to get your reaction to Matthew Dowd, who is one of the biggest

00:43:35.100 losers on Twitter.

00:43:35.940 And that's saying something he used to work for George W.

00:43:38.380 Bush.

00:43:38.740 Wow.

00:43:39.220 Have has his life changed.

00:43:41.880 OK, he whatever you think of George W.

00:43:44.280 Bush, the reason I will always have a soft spot in my heart for him is him right after

00:43:48.940 9-11 and how what a strong leader he was and how amazing he was.

00:43:52.600 We can talk about Iraq and all that.

00:43:54.320 I get it.

00:43:54.780 But in those days after 9-11, I think most of us fell in love with him.

00:43:58.280 And he the Matthew Dowd worked for him.

00:44:02.700 Now, Matthew Dowd has gone on to be a political commentator at ABC News.

00:44:06.160 No longer.

00:44:06.680 He was running their politics unit no longer.

00:44:09.180 And he's just gone far left.

00:44:11.700 He's on with Joy Reid all the time.

00:44:13.840 And he's like a Nicole Wallace type.

00:44:15.980 And here he was just the other day on with Joy Reid talking about the impact of the Capitol

00:44:23.020 riot.

00:44:23.560 Listen to him.

00:44:24.060 To me, though there was less loss of life on January 6th, January 6th was worse than

00:44:29.560 9-11 because it's continued to rip our country apart and give permission for people to pursue

00:44:35.720 autocratic means.

00:44:36.820 And so I think we're in a much worse place than we've been.

00:44:40.100 And as I've said, I think to you before, I think we're in the most perilous point in

00:44:43.500 time since 1861 in the advent of the Civil War.

00:44:46.760 So I do, too.

00:44:48.460 Well, you're a couple of idiots.

00:44:50.300 What a moron.

00:44:51.700 Yeah, it's like that they're intimidated and so threatened that like the American people

00:44:56.280 are taking back their voice and like being heard.

00:44:59.240 And and I think they're just upset, like, oh, all the all the censorship.

00:45:03.860 Yeah, it's still not enough.

00:45:05.020 People are still going to going to let their voices be heard.

00:45:08.180 9-11 was worse than 9-11 were 3000 people died, firefighters, cops, children who are

00:45:16.360 on those planes that got turned into bombs, into missiles who must have been terrified

00:45:21.100 for their lives as they went into those buildings.

00:45:23.600 Fuck you, Matthew Dowd.

00:45:25.200 Seriously.

00:45:26.080 Yeah.

00:45:26.500 Fuck you.

00:45:27.140 I'm saying it, too.

00:45:28.440 It's infuriating.

00:45:29.760 And Joy Reid, too.

00:45:30.800 It's infuriating.

00:45:31.400 It's so disrespectful to the Americans who lost their lives, who were forced to jump from

00:45:36.040 the 90th floor, you know, having to choose between being burned to death by jet fuel and

00:45:43.520 jumping to their deaths.

00:45:44.820 I'm it makes me so angry that kind of talk fine.

00:45:49.080 Right.

00:45:49.540 Like somehow he's considered a patriotic American.

00:45:53.440 I just find it and it's an insight.

00:45:56.320 It's an insight.

00:45:57.060 Like who's running media today.

00:45:58.820 Right.

00:45:59.220 So out of touch.

00:46:00.080 It's so out of touch.

00:46:01.080 It's like, yeah, you don't have crews and crews of people for like weeks and months

00:46:04.740 looking through the rubble of the Capitol building, looking for bodies.

00:46:08.720 It's like to compare it to that is like is so out of touch.

00:46:13.720 Yes.

00:46:13.900 It's like it's almost like the Holocaust.

00:46:15.540 Just don't compare things to it.

00:46:16.960 You know, like, yeah, just some some events are so uniquely awful.

00:46:23.060 You just don't compare to them, you know.

00:46:25.540 And I just feel like right now you look back at like the men and women who have served our

00:46:32.120 country, who went over to Afghanistan, who went over to Iraq, who sacrificed blood and

00:46:36.100 treasure to fight those wars.

00:46:37.700 Like and all of them have to look at this moron and Joy Reid, the other morons, sit on television

00:46:43.260 and say, oh, no, you know, as much as I didn't like the crapping on the floor of the Capitol,

00:46:48.600 listen to that guy say somehow that was worse because it divided us.

00:46:52.380 Guess what? That wasn't the event that divided us.

00:46:55.240 That wasn't the event.

00:46:56.500 It's been events going back for years now, including very much during the Obama presidency.

00:47:01.020 And and certainly the Iraq war was divisive and so on.

00:47:04.480 But there's no accountability by this guy for his role or the role of media in any of it.

00:47:08.600 It's just MAGA.

00:47:10.420 Right.

00:47:11.420 Yeah. And a lot of these people in media, they're like just drunk with power.

00:47:15.520 It's like they know that there are so many brainwashed people who are going to be glued

00:47:19.380 to their TV and whatever they hear will be what they repeat to people.

00:47:23.760 And I would say even to combine all the BLM, you know, like demonstrations and the carnage

00:47:31.160 from that, like even all that together is not anywhere close to comparing it to 9-11.

00:47:36.260 So to compare just the six to it is really insane.

00:47:40.800 And by the way, like when he talks about it's given people permission to pursue autocratic

00:47:44.680 means, it was Barack Obama who took out his pen and his phone and started issuing edicts

00:47:50.280 that he had no business issuing that he himself said he couldn't issue before he then went

00:47:56.060 on to issue them, for example, on immigration.

00:47:59.220 And, you know, you can go back and check the record on Barack Obama's executive actions

00:48:03.660 that went beyond anything we'd seen long before Donald Trump took office.

00:48:08.780 And so like when he talks about autocratic means, by the way, Trump then left office,

00:48:13.240 right, a couple of weeks after this, Joe Biden took over.

00:48:16.380 So who is he talking about?

00:48:17.740 What are the autocratic means he's talking about?

00:48:19.300 Because Trump's push to overturn the election failed.

00:48:22.360 It failed thanks to the courts, thanks to what happened on January 6th with the lawmakers

00:48:26.160 that day.

00:48:27.160 So I'm not sure exactly what he's objecting to.

00:48:29.420 But the fact these people get a platform and talk about this so irresponsibly infuriates me.

00:48:34.880 OK, so moving on from your insurrection is past.

00:48:38.780 Oh, right.

00:48:39.980 And so, of course, like the folks, you know, they don't realize what was going on, why

00:48:44.900 people were there.

00:48:45.420 They just I don't know if they're just dumb or like in the early days, they just figured

00:48:49.080 anybody who's in D.C. on that day is a horrible person.

00:48:52.060 Right.

00:48:52.340 They think I was there to shit on Pelosi's desk.

00:48:54.680 It's like, no, there are people there just covering the event, like from a kind of independent

00:48:59.000 media standpoint.

00:49:00.120 But then like the rumors fled and I had like I guess I had a campaign going of people reaching

00:49:05.820 out to my Facebook friends.

00:49:07.100 I'm like, who even uses Facebook anymore?

00:49:08.560 But I had folks reaching out to my Facebook friends saying, oh, just letting I'm just

00:49:13.360 letting you know your Facebook friends with Chrissy Mayer.

00:49:15.220 You should probably unfriend her because, you know, she was at the Capitol on the 6th.

00:49:18.460 Like it's so sad, like people spending their time trying to get settled down at all since

00:49:23.940 then.

00:49:24.420 Because I feel like tempers were so hot right then in the aftermath of the election and

00:49:28.660 Trump's claims and all that.

00:49:30.280 I don't know.

00:49:31.060 It was like no Trump will ever be seen in public or listened to ever again after this.

00:49:36.360 And now I think people are realizing wrong.

00:49:39.260 So has that settled at all in your own life since then?

00:49:42.580 It has settled down.

00:49:43.540 And the friends that I've lost, like it burns at first.

00:49:46.440 But then you're like, oh, anybody who's going to unfriend you over this, even without a

00:49:49.660 conversation or a discussion, is not a real friend and not somebody who was going to be

00:49:53.880 there for you anyway.

00:49:56.060 So it's just been like a lot of life lessons.

00:49:58.300 And the people I've met, you know, the friends I've made and the kind of, I guess, other influencers

00:50:05.140 or other independent journalists I've met in the last year or six months, I've gained

00:50:11.560 far more than I've lost.

00:50:13.620 And when we talk about like independent and new media, you know, it's like I'm friends with

00:50:18.080 a lot of these guys that are kind of on the forefront that are getting more views than

00:50:23.340 CNN.

00:50:23.900 It's very exciting to to know and associate and be friends with these people.

00:50:28.800 And it's I learned so much from them.

00:50:32.720 Are there secret Trump fans or secret Republicans, secret conservatives or just not even any of

00:50:38.620 that?

00:50:38.820 Like, I wouldn't call myself any of those things, really.

00:50:41.780 I'm just my politics are generally center right, but I'm on the side of reason and I'm

00:50:46.460 totally opposed to cancel culture and wokesters.

00:50:48.940 So do you are there people like that in comedy who are kind of underground who, you know,

00:50:54.580 you're discovering?

00:50:56.740 Oh, absolutely.

00:50:57.540 There are people.

00:50:58.960 My DMS are full of comics who are like kind of afraid to come out.

00:51:04.620 And they I think that's like I'm so outspoken about these topics that they feel comfortable

00:51:10.720 like coming coming to me and be like, oh, is this really true?

00:51:13.380 Like, I just did a an interview with a comic who who finally he was very woken on the left

00:51:20.280 for for a long time.

00:51:21.560 And he's like, I had enough.

00:51:22.820 Like, I have these agents telling me that, sorry, it's a hard time for white guys just

00:51:27.860 so blatantly in his face.

00:51:29.440 And, you know, getting kicked off of podcasts run by lesbians because they're not allowing

00:51:34.820 straight white men on anymore, just like blatant discrimination.

00:51:37.980 And he's like, yeah, I'm done.

00:51:39.320 I think I'm done.

00:51:39.900 And he's like, I was raised by gay guys, but I'm like, I'm done.

00:51:42.620 I'm not going to even pride parades anymore because it's like I have to focus on me and

00:51:47.260 the people who are supporting me and want me to thrive.

00:51:50.840 And that is not anybody on the left.

00:51:55.120 We had Ryan Long on the show.

00:51:57.760 You know him.

00:51:58.080 Oh, yeah.

00:51:58.500 I love Ryan.

00:51:59.380 Yeah.

00:51:59.680 And he was he's Canadian.

00:52:00.880 And he was talking about how and he was killing it, you know, and but he was told repeatedly,

00:52:05.840 I think it was by Canadian Broadcasting.

00:52:07.560 Uh, I'm obviously you're not getting a show because, you know, you're a white man.

00:52:11.820 There's no it's a it's he's like, oh, OK, OK.

00:52:15.880 Right.

00:52:16.140 So that's that's what they're up against.

00:52:18.200 It's not just leveling the playing field.

00:52:20.260 It's you're you nothing.

00:52:22.320 No, you'll be getting nothing because of the color of your skin and your your male parts.

00:52:27.360 Yeah.

00:52:27.600 And you can tell like people on the left are scared.

00:52:30.460 And that's why it's like, oh, if you're a white person who's obsessed with diversity,

00:52:34.280 well, then you can stay so people know that and they go, OK, well, I got to be the white

00:52:39.420 person who's championing diversity at every turn.

00:52:43.060 And then I can be the white person who who gets to stay and gets to keep my job or whatever.

00:52:48.140 It's really well sad.

00:52:49.860 I think it's out of fear.

00:52:50.600 I just had Jason Whitlock on the show.

00:52:52.160 We were talking about the Rachel Nichols thing on ESPN.

00:52:54.760 You know, she's this broadcaster who was like, yes, diversity, equity, inclusion, wokester.

00:52:59.700 And then it turned out that they wanted to give a black reporter her job hosting the

00:53:04.860 NBA finals.

00:53:05.480 And she was caught on tape saying, not my job.

00:53:08.160 Don't come for me.

00:53:09.140 You.

00:53:09.540 Yes, I'm pro diversity.

00:53:10.940 Find someplace else to do it.

00:53:12.280 It's like, of course, not over here.

00:53:15.000 That's great.

00:53:15.800 I love when that happens.

00:53:17.500 Yeah.

00:53:17.680 But my my DMs are full of people who are kind of in the closet about it.

00:53:22.080 And and I just, you know, time will tell.

00:53:25.880 And as they kind of get kicked out of the woke boat, they'll and it's never anybody in

00:53:30.840 the center or on the right who is kicking anybody out.

00:53:33.680 It's like, I don't understand.

00:53:35.260 And I listened to that episode with Ryan Long and he said, like, that's how you can tell

00:53:39.720 who's in charge of the culture.

00:53:40.940 Like, look at the people who are kicking folks out.

00:53:43.020 I don't think that's true.

00:53:44.460 I think I think the fans are the only thing that matters and focus on finding whatever you

00:53:50.140 think is funny.

00:53:50.800 And that was the biggest the sense of freedom I got when I realized, like, it's all about

00:53:55.640 the fans.

00:53:56.180 It's all about, like, just being true to yourself.

00:53:57.940 Put out there what you find funny and people will gravitate and find you.

00:54:02.060 Don't worry about impressing anybody else or fitting into any group.

00:54:06.140 Up next, Chrissy's fight with another famous Chrissy, Chrissy Teigen, how that came about

00:54:11.140 and how it led to people wondering whether Chrissy Mayer is involved in Q QAnon.

00:54:16.540 So we'll talk about that.

00:54:17.400 And then we will get into Greta Turnberg and Chrissy's Chrissy's take on her.

00:54:24.160 Stay tuned.

00:54:24.860 But first, want to bring you a feature we have here on the MK show called Sound Up.

00:54:29.000 And that's where we play your soundbite that we think you need to hear.

00:54:31.780 In the news this week is Michael Avenatti.

00:54:35.440 Remember him?

00:54:36.260 They refer to him as celebrity lawyer.

00:54:38.420 Uh, challenge.

00:54:40.540 Well, he's going to prison.

00:54:41.540 He was sentenced this past Thursday to 30 months in prison.

00:54:47.740 He represented Stormy Daniels.

00:54:49.420 You remember he became a darling of the media because she was going after Trump and he was

00:54:54.060 saying he was going to bring Trump down.

00:54:56.140 And then his star got elevated and he was just given a complete pass by everyone in the media.

00:55:01.600 Almost everyone.

00:55:03.040 We'll get to in a second.

00:55:04.560 Now he's going to prison.

00:55:05.420 He, in February of 2020, was convicted on three counts of threatening is basically extortion.

00:55:12.440 He threatened to publicly accuse Nike of illicitly paying amateur basketball players.

00:55:19.640 And, uh, Nike realized that it was being extorted.

00:55:24.500 He was demanding millions of dollars.

00:55:26.780 He wanted, um, that Nike to pay his clients, a youth basketball coach, 1.5 million to pay Avenatti

00:55:33.640 and another lawyer, 12 million and guarantee another 15 and 25 million in payments for

00:55:39.740 some sort of an investigation.

00:55:40.600 Anyway, Nike goes to the FBI to say, creepy porn lawyer is extorting us and they got him

00:55:46.720 dead to rights.

00:55:47.480 And so he was found guilty in February, 2020.

00:55:50.560 And, um, when sentencing him, the judge, U S district court judge, Paul Gardefi said,

00:55:56.920 and I quote, Mr. Avenatti's conduct was outrageous.

00:55:59.300 He had become drunk on the power of his platform or what he perceived his platform to be.

00:56:05.920 Avenatti stood there crying, choking up.

00:56:08.760 Oh, they always cry when it's their neck on the line, pausing in his remarks and saying,

00:56:13.860 uh, something to the effect of Twitter and TV mean nothing.

00:56:18.060 Your honor.

00:56:19.080 I betrayed my own values, my friends, my family, myself.

00:56:22.400 I and I alone have destroyed my career, my relationships, my life.

00:56:26.300 I feel no sympathy for him.

00:56:30.260 Um, he still faces trials by on two additional, by the way, on two additional criminal indictments,

00:56:35.280 one over allegations that he defrauded Stormy Daniels who fired him, remember?

00:56:39.740 And another for allegedly defrauding other clients of his law firm.

00:56:42.600 Lovely guy.

00:56:43.520 Lovely.

00:56:44.240 Well, anyway, the reason we're bringing this to you is because it's another example of the

00:56:47.280 disgusting fawning media.

00:56:48.760 When anybody says anything that's anti-Trump or anti-Republican, frankly, he was given a

00:56:53.340 pass on what appeared to be troubled allegations that Stormy Daniels was making against Trump,

00:57:00.320 right?

00:57:00.500 Everybody put him on just to say, oh, Trump did it.

00:57:02.520 How bad is he?

00:57:03.200 He's awful.

00:57:03.720 Well, when I was on NBC, I put on Trump's lawyer who I beat up.

00:57:07.040 It was fun.

00:57:07.860 I liked the guy, actually, but I beat him up pretty well.

00:57:10.140 And then I put on Avenatti and I beat that guy up, too.

00:57:13.340 And I'll get to that in one second.

00:57:14.680 Washington Free Beacon does this great montage of the fawning media when it came to this guy,

00:57:20.560 this now convicted criminal.

00:57:22.100 Listen.

00:57:22.620 He's Donald Trump's worst nightmare, Michael Avenatti.

00:57:25.980 Joining us once again is Michael Avenatti.

00:57:27.600 Let's bring in Michael Avenatti.

00:57:28.800 Michael Avenatti.

00:57:29.440 Michael Avenatti.

00:57:30.220 Michael Avenatti, thank you very much.

00:57:31.940 He's out there saving the country.

00:57:33.480 Don Meacham says he may be the savior of the republic.

00:57:35.760 You are something of a folk hero now.

00:57:38.000 I owe Michael Avenatti an apology.

00:57:40.220 I've been saying enough already, Michael.

00:57:41.720 I've seen you everywhere.

00:57:42.780 What do you have left to say?

00:57:44.380 I was wrong, brother.

00:57:45.280 You have a lot to say.

00:57:46.920 I am just dying to hear what you think.

00:57:50.200 Because people all like you.

00:57:51.420 I'm the only person right here Donald Trump fears more than Robert Miller.

00:57:55.580 We think you guys are the tip of the spear that's going to take down Donald Trump.

00:58:00.120 Michael Avenatti's a beast.

00:58:01.740 Okay, that's true.

00:58:02.760 And he's a beast.

00:58:03.880 He's a beast.

00:58:04.480 I hand it to her and I hand it to Michael Avenatti.

00:58:07.440 But he has a bigger calling here that being a lawyer is minimal compared to what he's doing.

00:58:12.220 No one has talked tougher directly to Donald Trump on TV than Michael Avenatti.

00:58:18.100 And Donald Trump is afraid to mention his name.

00:58:21.320 That's fascinating.

00:58:22.360 Donald Trump is terrified of Michael Avenatti.

00:58:25.360 He gives Trump a run for his money more than anybody else, Michael Avenatti.

00:58:28.260 An existential threat to the Trump presidency.

00:58:30.760 The Democrats could learn something for you.

00:58:32.620 You are messing with Trump a lot more than they are.

00:58:35.180 He has no doubt created sheer panic in Donald Trump's very fragile mind.

00:58:41.000 Michael Avenatti is laying down the law as guest co-host.

00:58:45.180 And is he really thinking about running for president?

00:58:48.280 One reason why I'm taking you seriously as a contender is because of your presence on cable news.

00:58:52.720 You look at the field of Democrats right now and Avenatti's the one who stands out.

00:58:56.080 If they decide they value a fighter most, people would be foolish to underestimate Michael Avenatti.

00:59:01.360 I have always said that they need a fighter.

00:59:03.340 Look, I mean, we're going to continue to use the media.

00:59:05.500 I think we've used it with great success.

00:59:07.340 All of my sexual fantasies involve handcuffs.

00:59:10.740 And now there's a lot of sort of look at the media.

00:59:15.520 They're disgusting.

00:59:16.180 People like Brian Stelter, as you heard, you know, saying, oh, you're going to run for office.

00:59:19.320 You're going to be the next president.

00:59:20.400 Over on NBC, just for the record, because a lot of people are like, oh, she went to NBC because she wanted to let her liberal freak flag fly.

00:59:26.020 Absolutely not.

00:59:26.560 If you ever watch me on NBC, I did the news the same way as I did it on Fox.

00:59:30.100 That's something that always stuck in my craw.

00:59:32.140 People thought I changed.

00:59:33.100 No, I didn't.

00:59:33.520 I just went softer.

00:59:34.440 But when it came to my politics coverage, I was exactly the same as I'd always been.

00:59:38.580 And this was a good example of it.

00:59:40.340 And here is a sample for you of his interview on my show.

00:59:43.920 So why hasn't she returned the money?

00:59:45.780 We offered to return the money two weeks ago.

00:59:47.400 I know, but she didn't.

00:59:48.500 Oh, but we offered to return the money.

00:59:49.880 So just do it.

00:59:50.720 Well, we may do that.

00:59:52.580 Why wouldn't she?

00:59:53.760 Why would Stormy Daniels be leading the charge on whether whether that payment violated the election law?

00:59:59.560 Because, and I mean, this is the honest to God truth.

01:00:03.260 This is a principled woman at this point.

01:00:05.000 She wants the truth.

01:00:06.460 She wants the truth.

01:00:07.900 Now they're laughing at you.

01:00:09.900 She wanted the dough.

01:00:11.160 And now she wants to keep the dough while violating the agreement.

01:00:13.880 No, she doesn't.

01:00:14.280 Which, whether you like Michael Cohen or Donald Trump or not, doesn't seem fair to them.

01:00:17.960 Megan, she doesn't want to keep the dough.

01:00:19.460 We've offered to return the dough.

01:00:21.300 What's stopping you?

01:00:22.300 It was two weeks ago.

01:00:22.660 It was two weeks ago.

01:00:23.320 It's very simple.

01:00:24.160 You take out the piece of paper and you write one hundred thirty thousand dollars and then you mail it.

01:00:29.880 And then he attacked me later because I went after his stupid client, Julie Swetnick, who he then represented against Brett Kavanaugh.

01:00:37.960 Remember that he went.

01:00:39.400 She's the one who was completely making up her allegations about seeing Brett Kavanaugh go into rape rooms.

01:00:44.140 The woman was totally not credible.

01:00:47.260 And I did a long segment pointing out why all her past problems.

01:00:52.620 She'd been in trouble in prior jobs for lying.

01:00:55.540 And I mean, I went on and on and on and on and on and talked about how her claims had fallen apart on national television.

01:01:01.500 When you look at this woman's history, she misled for a living.

01:01:05.060 I mean, she just had systemic problems in her past.

01:01:08.000 And I went after her and I went after Avenatti and he attacked me and I attacked him right back.

01:01:11.620 And there there it went.

01:01:12.680 Right. So if you're paying attention, his problems were staring you in the face.

01:01:16.900 But most of the media wasn't.

01:01:18.400 And it's just yet another example of how you cannot trust these people, the media, when the commentator, the person they're promoting is saying anything that would reflect poorly on President Trump or in today's day and age, the MAGA crowd in general, or even it's expanded to the non woke, the Republican crowd, what have you.

01:01:40.220 You know, you know, that by now to maintain your healthy dose of skepticism.

01:01:43.940 But this is just the latest example.

01:01:45.840 And what I'm sure Avenatti will try to wrap around him for some sort of some sort of comfort of the golden days in his career as he spends time in cell block 14.

01:01:58.940 And that is what we call sound up.

01:02:00.900 Now, back to Chrissy in one minute.

01:02:08.620 One of the things I wanted to talk to you about was another Chrissy, Chrissy Teigen.

01:02:12.920 There's been this ongoing debate, I think, in a lot of conservative circles.

01:02:17.340 And we've certainly had on this show about her kind of cancellation.

01:02:21.680 I mean, look, she's married to John Legend.

01:02:23.960 She's got plenty of success and money and so on.

01:02:27.040 Chrissy Teigen is going to be 100 percent fine.

01:02:29.180 But she lost a couple of endorsement situations with, like, I think, Target and so on, because it came out that she's an Internet troll bully of young women going through hard times.

01:02:39.300 This is her thing.

01:02:39.980 The woman who wanted to cancel everybody turns out is a is a massive, mean bully and she can't wiggle out of it.

01:02:47.460 She she denied the most recent accusation by some guy who worked with her on Project Runway.

01:02:53.340 She said he faked her DMs, but all the others she admits.

01:02:56.800 There's really no dispute.

01:02:58.340 And there's been a debate about whether the right should be pushing to cancel people because it was really Candace Owens who took aim at her and outed her and sort of stayed on it.

01:03:08.360 And Nicole Arbor, who's also very funny, she had she went on Candace's show and they had a debate like Nicole's like, we shouldn't become what we loathe cancelers.

01:03:17.960 And Candace was like, she kind of used the line from the left, which is this isn't about cancel culture.

01:03:23.080 It's about accountability culture.

01:03:24.620 That's what the left says every time they cancel somebody.

01:03:26.920 The way I saw it was I don't like this.

01:03:29.000 I don't like cancel culture, but we're losing this battle by just sitting back saying, stop doing that.

01:03:34.160 And the only way we're going to win is if we start getting our hands dirty and saying it's on.

01:03:38.580 OK, we don't want to live like this.

01:03:39.820 But if you're going to force us to, let's go.

01:03:42.220 We'll play by your rules.

01:03:43.300 Your people are going to go to.

01:03:45.380 Yes, I agree with you 100 percent, like in a perfect world.

01:03:48.520 No, it shouldn't come to this.

01:03:49.740 But like Chrissy Teigen, she's so disgusting.

01:03:53.600 And she just has gotten so many chances over the years.

01:03:56.520 People were trying to to let this bullying problem be known like for years now.

01:04:02.280 And it took several attempts, but finally it stuck and it stuck.

01:04:08.540 Oh, my God, I'm losing it.

01:04:09.920 I need coffee.

01:04:10.840 Did you also have a big martini last night?

01:04:13.800 Yeah.

01:04:14.160 Yeah.

01:04:14.460 Every night.

01:04:15.160 Oh, and it just took so many attempts.

01:04:18.920 And that's the thing is like she has a PR team.

01:04:21.680 She's got so many people helping her like anytime some bad press would come out about her.

01:04:26.920 And this is what I've learned about celebrities.

01:04:28.560 It's like they never deny or refute the claims.

01:04:31.080 They just create new news to put on top of top, put on top of it to like push down the

01:04:36.820 bad stuff they don't like in the search results.

01:04:38.820 Very Trumpy.

01:04:39.620 That's very Trumpy.

01:04:41.240 Yeah.

01:04:41.920 And I just like, I don't know.

01:04:43.920 I don't think her miscarriage was real.

01:04:45.860 Like, I think she's done a lot of stuff.

01:04:47.440 What?

01:04:48.060 Stop it.

01:04:48.600 I don't know.

01:04:49.480 I don't know.

01:04:50.020 But it's well, I will say I saw you get blowback for you had sent out a tweet kind

01:04:55.020 of taking issue with her sending out the grieving photograph of her like in the hospital bed

01:05:00.500 when she found out she miscarried.

01:05:02.140 Yeah.

01:05:02.680 That's it.

01:05:03.080 That's what I have to say.

01:05:04.040 It made me uncomfortable.

01:05:05.240 I I I felt uncomfortable when I saw the photo.

01:05:08.080 I understand.

01:05:08.720 You know, I've I've had a miscarriage, too, although unlike Chrissy Teigen, I didn't make

01:05:12.200 it public.

01:05:12.560 Um, and I certainly wouldn't have ever dreamed of sending out a photograph of me crying in

01:05:18.800 the moment.

01:05:19.240 I don't know.

01:05:19.700 It was celebrated.

01:05:21.320 Made me uncomfortable.

01:05:22.740 That's the part of which which makes it suspect.

01:05:25.580 Like if if that's what really most people if and my mom had two miscarriages, so it's

01:05:30.180 like most people, they just kind of grieve.

01:05:32.160 It's one thing if that happens to you.

01:05:33.780 And a month later, you come out with like a vanity fair spread and you're talking about

01:05:37.780 it like that makes more sense.

01:05:39.960 But but to like have it and then you're you're bringing your head, your photographer with

01:05:44.500 you or you're calling them in right away.

01:05:46.180 Come on.

01:05:46.440 You got to capture this.

01:05:47.440 It's like, make sure you get this tear rolling down my cheek.

01:05:50.480 Oh, you didn't get it.

01:05:51.340 Let's let's put it back with an eyedropper.

01:05:53.140 Like, I just think it's it's too much.

01:05:55.800 And everything about her, her image is so carefully constructed.

01:06:00.260 And, you know, every time she goes to the bathroom, she puts out a press release.

01:06:03.680 So and she's she's somebody who was all about canceling and going after people.

01:06:09.980 It's just, you know, nobody.

01:06:12.120 She was not under those same standards.

01:06:14.420 She wants sympathy, right?

01:06:15.860 Which is obviously you send that out because you want people to, you know, and people are

01:06:20.080 like, oh, she's shining a light on miscarriage.

01:06:22.040 It's like, well, miscarriage isn't something you can't talk about.

01:06:24.320 What do you what do you what do you mean?

01:06:26.440 It's just it tends to be something that's very private that that women go through with their

01:06:30.120 husbands or their boyfriends.

01:06:31.040 And no, most of us wouldn't even would never dream of just sharing it with the world.

01:06:36.100 It's not for public consumption, but OK, fine.

01:06:39.920 I mean, I thought Meghan McCain did a long article on it and Meghan Markle did a long.

01:06:43.680 I don't know.

01:06:44.200 To me, those two is like you do you.

01:06:46.880 But for me, that would I would never do that.

01:06:50.180 But Chrissy does everything online.

01:06:51.980 And so she puts out this image of her like the grieving mom and the grief and the wonderful

01:06:56.280 supportive wife.

01:06:57.020 And and behind the scenes, she's sticking knives and young women who are going through

01:07:00.800 real struggles like that Courtney Stodden did.

01:07:03.980 Exactly.

01:07:04.660 Married to a much older man and wound up realizing she was non-binary.

01:07:09.260 I can't remember exactly what.

01:07:10.320 But she doesn't.

01:07:10.900 She goes by Vey now.

01:07:12.300 Anyway, she's a hypocrite.

01:07:14.660 Oh, yeah.

01:07:15.000 She's.

01:07:15.360 Yeah.

01:07:15.580 But people came out with all these screenshots over the years of her just being like, yeah,

01:07:20.380 kill yourself, like not even in a funny way.

01:07:23.220 And I think over the years she's tried to maybe tell people she was being funny.

01:07:27.280 It's like, Chrissy, you're not a comedian.

01:07:29.140 These aren't even these aren't jokes.

01:07:30.920 They're not even joke premises.

01:07:32.240 Like, no, you're just a cruel individual and you're trying to backpedal.

01:07:36.640 That's why I think that it makes sense for why she, you know, deleted like thousands and

01:07:41.180 thousands of tweets last summer, it's because she had a lot of dirty laundry to hide or

01:07:46.080 dirty tweets.

01:07:46.600 She didn't get them all.

01:07:47.940 She didn't get them all.

01:07:49.260 Can I ask you about the Q thing?

01:07:50.800 Oh, yeah, sure.

01:07:52.520 Like I.

01:07:53.420 Because you had you had sent out a tweet kind of directed at Chrissy Teigen and I think

01:07:57.840 you ended it with like hashtag Q and then everybody said you're part of QAnon.

01:08:01.780 So what was that about?

01:08:02.660 Oh, my God.

01:08:03.220 Yeah.

01:08:03.440 Like this was when I used this website called Social Blade and I was using it mostly to

01:08:09.300 kind of like check on other comedians to see because it shows you like Twitter analytics

01:08:13.920 or like any other social media, too.

01:08:16.500 So I would use it to see like, oh, who has bought followers?

01:08:19.520 Could you see you can see like a sharp spike and you can tell by looking at the charts like

01:08:23.340 who?

01:08:23.600 Yeah.

01:08:23.760 Who has bought followers or who has deleted?

01:08:26.780 It is so fascinating, Megan.

01:08:28.060 Like I highly recommend it because like I'm talking about social social blade.

01:08:32.920 OK, keep going.

01:08:34.240 And and I would use it to just just to see like, oh, well, comics have kind of been like

01:08:39.400 inflated by like, you know, whatever, Comedy Central or whoever, like they've just been

01:08:43.740 propped up.

01:08:44.660 They've had followers bought for them or they bought.

01:08:46.740 And then I would also see like who's deleted a bunch of tweets, like usually before somebody

01:08:51.260 goes on like an SNL, there's like a period before where you see a lot of tweets being

01:08:56.920 deleted.

01:08:57.360 Um, and you can go, OK, this is interesting.

01:09:01.040 They deleted a whole slew of tweets before doing this show or getting this special.

01:09:04.880 Um, so I had checked Chrissy Teigen's because I was like, yes, she's a little suspect.

01:09:09.480 I don't know.

01:09:10.120 I don't know what's going on with her.

01:09:11.580 Like, I feel like maybe she's deleted some tweets, you know, because people would show

01:09:15.260 screenshots like with all this before, you know, she had accountability for any of this

01:09:19.800 bullying.

01:09:20.400 And then I checked her and it showed that she had like very recently deleted 28,000 tweets.

01:09:26.920 And I was like, that's significant.

01:09:29.400 That's like a lot.

01:09:30.800 That was like maybe a tweet.

01:09:32.380 Yeah.

01:09:32.860 That was like maybe a third or a fourth of her total tweets ever.

01:09:36.560 And she's like this darling of Twitter.

01:09:38.320 She's like the self-proclaimed mayor of Twitter.

01:09:40.060 I'm like, nobody deletes that many tweets unless they're trying to hide something.

01:09:44.480 Um, so I was like, this is very curious.

01:09:46.820 So I just tweeted out like, oh, some celebrities have been very busy since, uh, Ghislaine Maxwell was

01:09:53.260 arrested.

01:09:53.880 Like Chrissy Teigen, why did you, cause there had been rumors of her like association, you

01:10:00.080 know, with Epstein and, and being on like the flight logs.

01:10:03.100 And I was like, okay, it's hearsay.

01:10:04.820 And so I was like, okay, Chrissy, like, why did you delete all these tweets?

01:10:08.160 So then I just did a bunch of trending hashtags just to see like, if I could poke, poke the

01:10:14.220 nest a little bit.

01:10:15.040 Like, I don't know, just cause I thought it was interesting.

01:10:16.660 Cause I'm like, that's a ton of tweets.

01:10:18.080 And I couldn't believe it cause I was recording a podcast.

01:10:21.700 And then when I was done, my boyfriend was like, she responded.

01:10:24.880 I was like, what?

01:10:25.940 Cause I was like little old unverified me.

01:10:29.000 Uh, how did she even see it?

01:10:30.540 You know?

01:10:30.980 And sure enough, she responded.

01:10:32.560 She was like, no, I didn't delete 28,000.

01:10:34.840 I deleted 60,000 tweets because of people like you.

01:10:38.660 Like she was very triggered by what I said.

01:10:42.260 And I was like, oh, this is interesting.

01:10:44.400 Like, I'm afraid for, I deleted these tweets cause I'm afraid for my family.

01:10:48.600 And now fast forward to, you know, July, 2021, we see she deleted them because she didn't

01:10:54.520 want to get, you know, she wouldn't get in trouble for all this bullying.

01:10:59.060 And, and so of course, like, I didn't realize there were so many people who had been keeping

01:11:03.860 tabs on Chrissy Teigen through the years.

01:11:05.940 And they had all these screenshots of these horrible tweets, you know, like creepy tweets

01:11:10.280 where she was like, oh yeah, I'm watching these like little girls and on toddlers and

01:11:14.520 TRs.

01:11:15.100 Like, I like watching them do the splits or, or whatever these tweets were like, you can

01:11:18.720 still find them.

01:11:19.340 They're still out there.

01:11:20.820 Yes.

01:11:21.740 She, this was, I think this was back in like 2011, 2012, probably when she thought like

01:11:26.820 nobody was watching her Twitter before she really blew up.

01:11:30.580 I should note that she did.

01:11:31.900 She, she denies that she knew Jeffrey Epstein at all.

01:11:35.260 And apparently there's zero evidence that she ever had any actual connection to him or

01:11:39.180 was ever on the plane and all that.

01:11:41.040 But the toddlers and TRs is tweet.

01:11:42.720 I'm just, you know, looking back at the history now, she said, uh, this is per the Daily Mail

01:11:46.500 in 2020.

01:11:47.680 I actually deleted 60,000 tweets because I cannot effing stand you idiots anymore.

01:11:51.740 And I'm worried for my family finding me talking about toddlers and TRs in 2013 and thinking

01:11:57.200 you're some sort of effing operative.

01:11:59.060 So she's obviously trying to defend those, some of those tweets about, you know, her

01:12:03.680 comments on the girls.

01:12:05.520 Um, yeah.

01:12:06.740 So I get, I see now what went on.

01:12:08.300 So she, people found her weird tweets and kind of piled on and then she deleted a bunch

01:12:12.920 of tweets and then people felt it was even more strange.

01:12:16.480 And, uh, and then you, you, you got sort of under the target because you, you tweeted

01:12:23.500 out hashtag save the children, hashtag Q.

01:12:25.880 So you're not part of QAnon.

01:12:28.000 That was no, no.

01:12:29.480 Oh, and, and also, cause like, I am very passionate.

01:12:32.500 Like Twitter has such a huge, like child porn prog problem.

01:12:36.980 So that's like something that really affects me too.

01:12:39.680 Um, that I care deeply about.

01:12:41.600 I've talked to, um, Eliza blue who is, you know, she helps victims of, of sex and human

01:12:47.940 trafficking.

01:12:48.440 And so I think because that was like coming out on Twitter, I was like, Oh, this is also

01:12:53.480 something I have a lot of feelings about.

01:12:55.340 Like, I just don't think you should be at all, even a little bit creepy when it comes

01:12:59.520 to kids.

01:13:00.700 Yeah.

01:13:01.840 And, and, and that's, that's a perfect way to discredit somebody is being like, Oh,

01:13:05.780 they're there with QAnon.

01:13:07.160 If somebody voted for Trump and they're kind of trying to poke the status quo, an easy thing

01:13:12.840 to say is like, Oh, they're, they're with Q.

01:13:14.780 That's a quick way to discredit somebody.

01:13:16.520 I think.

01:13:17.360 And I think that's why that got thrown at me a lot.

01:13:19.320 I confess.

01:13:19.440 I don't totally understand Q.

01:13:21.040 I, I really don't.

01:13:22.320 I don't either.

01:13:23.180 I was shocked at a dinner party to when my friend said she was like into it.

01:13:28.280 And I was like, well, you know, I, I had been ripping on it to be honest.

01:13:31.800 And then she was like, you know, a lot of smart people are into it.

01:13:33.880 And I was like, what do you mean?

01:13:34.740 And then it became clear she was one of them.

01:13:36.060 And I was like, Oh, there's a lot of crazy shit that comes out of Q for sure.

01:13:41.300 So something you said earlier, I wanted to pick up on.

01:13:43.420 Um, you said something like my, my feminist mold and talked about, you know, how you used to

01:13:48.240 be a liberal Democrat.

01:13:49.700 And I wondered if you think it other than like folks who grew up in Texas or, you know,

01:13:55.180 I don't know, these are the real deep South.

01:13:57.460 I feel like almost every woman I know, except for, you know, like a small collection, maybe,

01:14:02.540 maybe very religious, very Christian people there.

01:14:06.840 They're molded.

01:14:07.820 They go after young girls and sort of insist that they be liberal Democrats.

01:14:10.860 Like the whole system is set up to make you a liberal Democrat, to reward thinking that's

01:14:18.460 liberal Democrat, even before now with the K through 12 nonsense in schools, it's just

01:14:22.360 been set up this way for a long time.

01:14:24.580 And girls are pleasers.

01:14:26.540 And I think a lot of folks wind up thinking they're a liberal Democrat, even though they

01:14:30.880 might not be, you know, like they just pushed on them by, by society.

01:14:35.820 Oh, absolutely.

01:14:36.940 It's like, for me, it kind of started in college, like this idea, like, well, your parents,

01:14:40.840 you're spending all this money for you to have this college education.

01:14:43.820 So, you know, you, it's, you have to go get a job.

01:14:47.120 Like you can't, like the idea that you would maybe, and a lot of girls like, you know,

01:14:51.160 would meet their husbands in college and they ultimately wouldn't work.

01:14:54.280 And that is, was just so looked down upon, uh, like that you were somehow less smart or,

01:15:00.420 you know, yeah, that you were just basically like wasting your parents' money.

01:15:05.300 If you decided to just be, Oh, being a mom was like, uh, the fate worse than

01:15:10.680 death.

01:15:10.960 Like, Oh, really?

01:15:11.860 Like that's the best you can do reproduce.

01:15:13.960 Like you've given up.

01:15:15.160 So, so look down on now.

01:15:16.940 I feel like so many women who were kind of raised in that mold, like through college, like they're

01:15:21.660 in their like late thirties and forties.

01:15:23.440 And they're like, Oh man, like I'm, I feel like I'm lucky.

01:15:27.340 Cause I found comedy and that gave me a lot.

01:15:30.040 If I hadn't, I definitely would be like angry right now.

01:15:32.980 Like, Oh man, like this whole system basically convinced me not to have a family, to hate

01:15:38.000 men, to not need men.

01:15:40.400 Um, it's like, it's like, it's a big trick.

01:15:43.060 I don't know.

01:15:43.620 And, and you kind of, you're conditioned to talk shit about any woman who wants to stay,

01:15:48.800 not work and just raise a family and have kids.

01:15:51.160 And it's, it's, I don't know.

01:15:54.260 It's, I feel like the fog is kind of lifting on that for a lot of women.

01:15:57.680 They get, they get in their heads too.

01:15:59.760 Like even the women who choose to stay home and raise families, so many of the ones I

01:16:05.640 know in New York feel guilty about it, you know, feel like somehow they need to project

01:16:12.220 something else to, in particular, their daughters, you know, like, but I used to, I used to work

01:16:17.800 outside the home where I, mom has this exciting thing going on.

01:16:20.100 It's like, I feel, it makes me sad because it's like, why are you doing that?

01:16:24.420 You don't have to do that.

01:16:25.700 Just own it, live it, love it.

01:16:27.060 You celebrate it so that your kid then gets the message.

01:16:30.760 This is totally cool.

01:16:31.920 This is a great choice too.

01:16:34.160 Yeah.

01:16:34.360 You shouldn't be, uh, shaming people for that.

01:16:36.660 Cause my mom was, uh, she was a stay at home mom.

01:16:38.880 She got a job when I was in like first grade, but I, I wish that she kind of had more hobbies

01:16:44.200 and had more passions, um, outside the home because when we all grew up and like moved

01:16:49.200 out, like I felt like there was a big loss for her.

01:16:51.760 Like she really was just pulling everybody to like, you know, live the next town over.

01:16:56.980 Or live in town.

01:16:58.100 And, and it was like a lot of pressure to kind of like fill the, this big emotional

01:17:03.660 need that she had.

01:17:04.720 So I, I wish that my mom, you know, had more going on or like, you know, a passion other

01:17:10.220 than raising children, which is fine.

01:17:12.000 But like, you should have a plan for when they eventually move out.

01:17:15.900 That's true.

01:17:16.700 That is true.

01:17:17.280 Otherwise you're looking at a sad, sad day.

01:17:19.100 I know.

01:17:20.120 Uh, I worry about that now, honestly, and I, I have something going on professionally, but

01:17:23.700 I'm still like your mom.

01:17:25.720 I'm like good little boys and girls never leave their mommies.

01:17:28.240 That's written in the rule book.

01:17:29.440 It's somewhere in the Bible.

01:17:30.500 I'm going to find it.

01:17:31.660 And, um, yeah, like if I had the energy, I'd homeschool them.

01:17:34.840 I want them to be with me.

01:17:35.940 I don't want them to go off to college.

01:17:37.540 I want them to, you know, get married and stay in the next town.

01:17:40.420 And I'm kind of worried that I have three.

01:17:42.440 So, but if they don't settle in the same town and then I, I can't just go live next door.

01:17:46.720 You know, Doug and I are gonna have to be like a traveling circus, just tracking them

01:17:49.400 down all over the country unless I can convince them to stay in the Northeast.

01:17:54.060 Yeah.

01:17:54.480 I think, yeah.

01:17:55.260 I mean, just like, just like love your kids, you know, like I'm, and I'm sure you're a great

01:17:59.600 mom.

01:18:00.500 Um, it's, but yeah, that that's probably the worst thing is to feel like pressure to be your parents

01:18:05.440 kind of everything.

01:18:06.600 And then you can't really like, Oh, well, I don't care.

01:18:10.180 I remember being in the elevator at Fox with Stossel.

01:18:12.860 I love John Stossel.

01:18:14.060 And, um, he's like, uh, you know, like, well, what are you up to today?

01:18:18.280 And he's like, well, I'm taking my daughter off to med school.

01:18:22.180 I'm like, Oh, that's awesome.

01:18:23.360 And he's like, no, it's not.

01:18:25.360 He goes, they leave you in the end.

01:18:27.880 That's how this ends.

01:18:29.340 They leave.

01:18:30.800 Oh my God.

01:18:31.520 He's like, they don't reveal that to you when they market parenthood, but it ends in

01:18:36.600 ruination and despair.

01:18:38.580 Oh, that's sweet.

01:18:40.840 I know.

01:18:41.200 I'm in denial.

01:18:42.900 Now, um, there is one child who I've heard you, I don't, I haven't heard you take aim at

01:18:47.340 her, but I've heard you imitate her in an amazing way.

01:18:50.140 Can we talk for a minute about Greta Turnberg?

01:18:52.420 Oh, Greta.

01:18:55.100 Yeah.

01:18:55.500 She's like, what is she?

01:18:56.360 18 now?

01:18:57.180 Of her.

01:18:57.840 Oh yeah.

01:18:58.100 She's got to be 18 by now.

01:18:59.300 Right.

01:19:00.540 Yeah.

01:19:00.900 She was another one.

01:19:01.860 Like, I, I think I'm just inspired by unstable women.

01:19:05.820 Um, and I just, I don't know.

01:19:07.340 I feel like she was kind of you, her parents kind of like took advantage of her.

01:19:11.020 Like, I think she was definitely some kind of a puppet.

01:19:13.360 Like ask the average kid, like, are they, they're probably not really focused on the environment

01:19:18.100 unless their parents kind of convinced them that they are.

01:19:21.220 Most kids are like, they want to have friends and they want their crusts off their sandwiches.

01:19:25.960 And that's about it.

01:19:27.080 Right.

01:19:29.120 Exactly.

01:19:29.860 But she's, she's been activated and I don't know, you, you tell me, cause I, when I watched

01:19:36.100 that video, I was like, my God, there's so much anger, right?

01:19:38.500 She's so offended at everything.

01:19:40.300 Like she's seething.

01:19:41.280 Why is, why is she so angry?

01:19:43.000 Like, I, I think it's because like, she's being used as a, as a puppet for a cause that

01:19:48.620 she like may or may not fully understand or believe in.

01:19:52.380 And it's like, when she says like, Oh, you've robbed me of my childhood.

01:19:55.760 It's like, maybe you should be telling that to your parents.

01:19:58.740 Um, yeah, it's her whole speech.

01:20:01.400 Like at the UN, it's just like, it's, I think she's just upset.

01:20:04.340 Nobody will sit with her at lunch.

01:20:05.720 I think that's what it's about.

01:20:06.820 You've got to do it.

01:20:07.100 I've got to hear your, your impression of her.

01:20:09.320 It's so good.

01:20:10.260 It's dead on.

01:20:11.780 Nobody will sit with me at lunch.

01:20:14.480 One boy tried to cut my braid and I said, that's all I have.

01:20:18.560 I hide, I hide candy in there.

01:20:20.980 Someone tried to tell me that the boats I use to get to these meetings, take up more gas

01:20:26.680 than just flying.

01:20:28.400 I said, how tell you?

01:20:31.760 I don't know.

01:20:32.680 I feel like that's another person who you're supposed to love and you're not allowed to

01:20:36.240 criticize at all.

01:20:36.940 And it's like, well, I mean, she was held up even in my daughter's school is like, this

01:20:40.460 is an example of what a strong young woman looks like.

01:20:42.600 And yes, okay.

01:20:43.320 I, it activism and taking, you know, standing up for what you believe in.

01:20:47.660 I like that in general.

01:20:48.660 Like I don't have a problem with young women or boys who decided to do that, but of course

01:20:53.260 it's always leftist causes that they choose, right?

01:20:55.420 Like they're not celebrating somebody who's out there at the March for life as a 15 year

01:21:00.600 old, well-spoken, you know, articulator of the cause and saying, yeah, right on.

01:21:05.540 You know, the, the young Lila Rose didn't get a lot of positive media coverage.

01:21:10.840 It's so easy.

01:21:11.720 If you want to get any kid involved in something political, like just tell them they don't have

01:21:16.680 to show up to school.

01:21:17.700 They'll be on board.

01:21:18.780 They probably won't care whatever it is.

01:21:20.680 Oh, I don't have to go to school.

01:21:21.980 This sounds good.

01:21:22.940 Sign me up for protests.

01:21:25.780 Don't leave me now.

01:21:26.760 We got more coming up in 60 seconds.

01:21:33.200 In researching you, I read that you said you feel a kinship with, with women who are in

01:21:38.580 porn.

01:21:39.240 How, how so?

01:21:40.380 Is it porn stars or, or strippers?

01:21:42.300 I can't remember.

01:21:43.380 I think, I think maybe porn stars.

01:21:46.580 I, I think I do feel a kinship with them because with porn stars and comedians, there's kind

01:21:52.140 of like this, like stigma over you that you're, you know, you could never really like live

01:21:57.460 a normal life.

01:21:58.380 And you're kind of like, in a sense, like an outcast.

01:22:01.040 Um, there is like a certain type of guy, I think that would like never date a female comic

01:22:06.040 and, and, you know, probably lots of guys who would never really settle down with a, with

01:22:10.880 a female porn star either.

01:22:12.200 And, but it's also, it's kind of freeing in a way because we're not really, our jobs, uh,

01:22:18.280 we're not really bound by like the usual constraints.

01:22:21.380 Like you kind of can speak your mind.

01:22:24.820 Um, it's kind of like, you know, porn stars and comics, like have a lot of kind of like

01:22:29.940 street sense and street smarts.

01:22:32.420 And like, you know, we like know people pretty well.

01:22:35.200 We're both like pretty observant.

01:22:36.600 We're both in a sense, like in customer service in a way, but I guess, yeah, I don't, I don't

01:22:44.980 have to bleach my butthole for what I do.

01:22:46.980 Thank God.

01:22:47.440 Oh my God.

01:22:48.660 No, no one should do that.

01:22:49.940 That's not safe.

01:22:51.960 Um, but you know, talk to your doctor.

01:22:54.580 Um, yeah.

01:22:55.720 When I was younger back in my, I don't know, it was law school days or whatever.

01:22:59.120 Um, I got dragged to some strip clubs over the years, uh, you know, professional functions

01:23:03.920 where you just go along to get along.

01:23:05.360 And it was funny because all I kept wanting to do was an intervention for all the girls

01:23:09.720 who were up there.

01:23:10.280 Like, sweetheart, you don't have to do this.

01:23:11.640 I got ideas for you.

01:23:12.540 I'm going to open up a restaurant for you.

01:23:14.180 And then I realized like, well, that's my own judgment, right?

01:23:16.920 Like why, why assume they don't want to be doing it?

01:23:19.300 Maybe there are women who want to celebrate their own bodies, who love feeling sexy, who

01:23:23.640 get up there and say like, to me, this is, this is a form of power and they don't need

01:23:28.280 me to go rescue them.

01:23:31.400 True.

01:23:31.760 And, um, as I've gotten older, I've, I've had that opinion more so Megan, like, oh,

01:23:36.120 like you don't have to be doing this, but you know, I don't think it's their plan to

01:23:39.800 do it for, you know, longer than they need to.

01:23:43.580 And yeah, if, and no one should be forced into it.

01:23:46.300 Like if you feel empowered by it and you feel strong, then yeah, then go for it.

01:23:51.120 And like, definitely make sure you're like saving your money and like, you know, get a

01:23:54.580 money manager.

01:23:55.860 That's what I want to go to strip clubs and be like, do you guys have accountants?

01:23:59.380 Like, are you all, are you saving for the future?

01:24:02.160 Listen to me.

01:24:04.020 All in singles.

01:24:05.500 So I went to, um, I went, I had to go through, uh, a bunch of strip clubs after the Duke

01:24:10.640 lacrosse fake rape case.

01:24:12.220 I was covering it as a journalist in 2005, 2006.

01:24:14.880 And the woman who was making the accusations against the three Duke lacrosse players was

01:24:18.860 a stripper.

01:24:19.660 And we were trying to track her down and track down people who knew her.

01:24:22.240 So we were going through these strip clubs in Durham, North Carolina, my, my photog, my

01:24:25.760 producer and I, and then we went into this one club and, and we're like trying to look

01:24:30.480 like we're just there, you know, as patrons.

01:24:32.560 And he goes, are you pressed?

01:24:34.240 I'm like, what?

01:24:35.060 How'd you know?

01:24:35.920 He's like, it's obvious.

01:24:37.360 And my producer and the, and the photographer are like, it's you.

01:24:40.700 They go, we're their bread and butter.

01:24:42.240 You're, you're the tell.

01:24:43.800 I'm like, am I to tell the guys?

01:24:45.440 Like, yeah, I go too bad.

01:24:46.940 And then we get into this discussion about, I'm like, I could be, I could be here to apply

01:24:50.160 for a job.

01:24:50.700 You don't know.

01:24:51.060 Yeah, totally.

01:24:52.460 And he's like, uh, we got in discussion about what my stripper name would be.

01:24:56.980 And then I asked the guy for a suggestion.

01:24:59.480 And he said, uh, first he goes sugar.

01:25:03.300 And then I, and I'm like, what, what do you mean?

01:25:05.420 And he goes, confectioner sugar in my full name.

01:25:09.980 They're like whitest pastiest sugar.

01:25:14.760 I think my stripper name would be something that kind of sounds fancy, but it's not like

01:25:19.720 something like pubic zirconia.

01:25:21.960 I don't know.

01:25:24.120 That's, that was not a good moment for me to be sitting in my water.

01:25:28.780 I like that.

01:25:30.040 I like that a lot.

01:25:30.940 Wasn't it supposed to be your, the street you grew up on and your first pet?

01:25:34.700 Oh, right.

01:25:35.880 When I was supposed to say that on the air, though, I said that you're not, don't give

01:25:38.020 that information up because that's how people hack.

01:25:39.580 Oh, right.

01:25:40.000 Because that's hackable.

01:25:41.720 Yeah.

01:25:42.080 That fish is long dead.

01:25:43.640 Yeah.

01:25:44.560 Yeah.

01:25:45.160 What?

01:25:46.620 I had a fish.

01:25:47.680 That was my first pet.

01:25:48.520 Uh, was it?

01:25:50.660 Yeah, it was a fish.

01:25:51.700 I wanted at a carnival and then I had two gerbils and I came home from school one day

01:25:57.200 in fifth grade and my mom was like, uh, they were, I guess there were two girls and one

01:26:01.020 had like eaten or attacked the other one.

01:26:03.780 To this day, I still don't know if that's really what happened because I didn't see the

01:26:07.360 body.

01:26:07.800 It just was, I just came back.

01:26:09.820 Gerbils are dark.

01:26:11.120 Gerbils are dark.

01:26:12.500 I don't think we talk about that enough.

01:26:13.820 I think they, they're a little bit malicious.

01:26:15.900 They have a plan.

01:26:17.300 They eat their babies.

01:26:18.780 My brother used to have gerbils.

01:26:20.140 He kept them in these like fish tanks in his room and they eat their little purple babies.

01:26:25.260 Sorry, but it's disgusting and it happens.

01:26:27.300 And here's another thing as the, as his younger sister, he's five years older.

01:26:30.540 I wasn't allowed in his room.

01:26:32.300 I wasn't allowed to touch the gerbils.

01:26:33.780 I wasn't.

01:26:34.400 And they were named like Fresca and, and Choo Choo and Santa Claus and Edward, which was

01:26:39.840 my dad's name.

01:26:40.560 I don't know if he liked that.

01:26:41.560 So of course I sneaked in and did play with the gerbils.

01:26:44.860 And one time I was like five, I think my brother was 10.

01:26:48.740 I sneaked in there and I picked up one of the gerbils by the tail, the way I saw my brother

01:26:53.720 do.

01:26:54.360 And the tail fell off.

01:26:56.560 Oh no.

01:26:58.380 The gerbil was little tailless.

01:27:00.900 His round bottom was running around the tank without a tail.

01:27:03.800 I was holding the tail.

01:27:05.260 Do you have gerbil leprosy?

01:27:06.540 Like, I don't think how did that happen?

01:27:08.860 I didn't, I all, so I threw the tail in the garbage can and covered it up with a bunch

01:27:14.400 of stuff.

01:27:15.360 And I went downstairs and I was like, mom, I want to go to bed right now.

01:27:18.640 My mom said, Megan, it's seven o'clock.

01:27:20.340 I said, I don't care.

01:27:20.940 I want to go to bed right now.

01:27:22.500 And I turned around, I went upstairs and I heard my mom say, what'd she do?

01:27:26.680 Because they knew.

01:27:28.340 And my brother came home.

01:27:29.720 He was so mad.

01:27:31.740 And for years I lived with the shame of this, of this attack that I had inadvertently launched

01:27:37.080 on the innocent little fresca.

01:27:39.300 Then I find out, Chrissy, it's a thing.

01:27:42.380 Gerbils shed their tails.

01:27:43.860 I was innocent.

01:27:46.060 Wow.

01:27:46.720 All this time you've been living with that shame.

01:27:49.980 Right.

01:27:50.860 Who knows the damage I caused in my own psyche.

01:27:53.320 All these years you could have been playing, you could have been playing pin the tail on

01:27:55.760 the donkey with no shame all these years.

01:27:57.600 Why are they asking me to play that?

01:28:01.920 Why are they looking at me?

01:28:02.880 Why do they think I'm going to do well?

01:28:05.320 Why do they think I know where it goes?

01:28:09.160 In the garbage?

01:28:10.440 Yeah.

01:28:10.820 Yeah.

01:28:11.320 I pinned it on the garbage.

01:28:12.880 We all have childhood trauma.

01:28:14.660 Some of us work it out on the air as talking heads and some of us work it out on the stage

01:28:20.140 as comedians.

01:28:21.140 And I love, I love that we have you doing it.

01:28:23.740 Closing question before we go.

01:28:24.940 So why do you do your, your act in like a nice dress?

01:28:29.960 I think it's awesome.

01:28:31.080 Something about it is very appealing, but I just wanted to know why.

01:28:33.900 I think, and thank you for saying that.

01:28:35.900 Cause I got advice kind of early on in my career from a very well-known, like kind of

01:28:41.520 like comic legend.

01:28:43.020 Um, I can't remember her name.

01:28:44.700 Of course I can't remember her name right now.

01:28:46.140 She's a comic legend, but I have no idea who she is.

01:28:48.860 Oh, Gladys.

01:28:49.880 Her name's Gladys.

01:28:51.120 Gladys Crap.

01:28:51.920 What's her?

01:28:52.720 There's the only one Gladys in commie.

01:28:54.940 In comedy.

01:28:55.560 Um, she used to run like a bunch of rooms, but she told me, I remember like I was a

01:28:59.360 couple of years in, she's like, no, you really should be wearing like, uh, pants and a jacket.

01:29:04.420 She basically was describing like Ellen during the nineties is how I should dress.

01:29:08.300 And I just was like, yeah, no, that doesn't feel good to me.

01:29:10.800 Like I, I like to wear heels in a dress on stage because, and even I thought the pandemic

01:29:16.200 would change me too, because I was like, I'll spend a lot of time in sweats.

01:29:19.620 Um, but it hasn't, cause I feel like kind of ready.

01:29:23.720 Like when I put my heels on, it's like, okay, I'm, I'm kind of this character.

01:29:27.380 I'm a more exaggerated, funny version of my usual self.

01:29:31.560 Uh, so it makes me feel like, okay, I'm out, I'm ready.

01:29:34.340 Like I'm bringing my best and, you know, I just never, like, I felt like I never looked

01:29:39.400 good in pants.

01:29:40.500 That was part of it too.

01:29:41.880 And I just feel like, you know, if I'm feeling like, feeling like dress for a night out, like

01:29:46.540 I kind of want the crowd to, it's really psychosomatic, I guess.

01:29:51.420 Um, and another part of it was like, you know, when I was starting in comedy, like I always

01:29:57.720 had a day job.

01:29:58.980 I would always like, you know, leave my job at like five or six o'clock.

01:30:02.880 I'd be like on the subway, putting more makeup on, you know, taking a cardigan off, like

01:30:08.140 transforming on the way to the show.

01:30:09.880 And I, and I figured out like, I have to wear something that can go from like work to the

01:30:15.020 stage.

01:30:15.860 And that was, oh yeah, yeah.

01:30:19.200 It couldn't be jeans because you got to kind of dress up for your, for whatever day job

01:30:22.960 I had.

01:30:24.020 Um, but I really would just be kind of like transforming.

01:30:26.620 I would be like changing shoes on the subway, like a lot of changing shoes.

01:30:31.820 Um, but yeah, like, oh yeah, Mrs.

01:30:34.680 Maisel would be great.

01:30:35.540 I wish I had her costume budget, but yeah, I do like to feel funny.

01:30:39.400 I mean, I don't, she's not funny at all.

01:30:42.200 No, she's a little, I love that show for the costumes and, uh, yeah, it was beautiful.

01:30:48.800 Yes.

01:30:49.280 I enjoy the show and I love, I love Tony.

01:30:51.960 Uh, is it Shalhoub?

01:30:52.960 He's so funny.

01:30:54.240 He's so good.

01:30:55.500 He's so good.

01:30:56.400 I think I met him once.

01:30:57.480 He's the nicest guy.

01:30:58.220 But her standup, the routines are not, I don't, I never laugh.

01:31:01.660 No.

01:31:02.060 If you give a, any, any regular comic, like her material, I would get no response from

01:31:07.520 the crowd.

01:31:08.000 Right?

01:31:08.900 Yeah.

01:31:09.180 Um, so, but yeah, I dress up like that just to kind of feel like a lady, kind of to feel

01:31:13.940 like, like I'm bringing it, you know?

01:31:16.740 Yes.

01:31:17.200 I, I think there's something to be said for that.

01:31:19.340 I mean, sometimes even when I haven't been on the air for a while, it's because, you know,

01:31:22.820 nobody sees me when then I get, I, I get the bells and whistles, right?

01:31:26.380 I get my hair down.

01:31:27.100 I get my makeup on.

01:31:28.180 I put on a nice outfit.

01:31:29.740 I'm like, okay, there I am.

01:31:31.400 Right.

01:31:31.720 Grown up, the grownup version of me.

01:31:33.800 Anyway, listen, I, I, when are you coming to Jersey?

01:31:36.340 Oh, okay.

01:31:38.320 Um, I'll be at Jinx, which is right on the boardwalk there at Point Pleasant beach, uh,

01:31:44.620 on July 20th.

01:31:46.120 I don't know Jinx, but if I go, can I see you?

01:31:49.000 Are you going to help me in?

01:31:49.740 Of course, I'll get you comps.

01:31:51.300 Yes, definitely.

01:31:52.220 Yeah.

01:31:52.240 Oh, nice.

01:31:53.120 That could be fun.

01:31:54.260 I'll, I'll think of some sort of way to heckle you.

01:31:56.220 I don't know.

01:31:56.560 I know what it'd be like.

01:31:57.320 I'll try.

01:31:57.820 I'll tee you up on Greta or doggy style.

01:32:01.880 Thanks.

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01:32:27.280 So it's I E at the end of Chrissy.

01:32:28.900 And it's, there's no E or O in mayor.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 12, 2021

Chrissie Mayr on Cancel Culture, the State of Comedy, and Supporting Trump ｜ Ep. 127

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