The Megyn Kelly Show - Church Agitators ARRESTED... But is Don Lemon Next？ With Allie Beth Stuckey, Rob Henderson, and Phil Holloway

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00:00:30.540 Martha listens to her favorite band all the time.

00:00:33.120 In the car, gym, even sleeping.

00:00:38.220 So when they finally went on tour, Martha bundled her flight and hotel on Expedia to see them live.

00:00:43.380 She saved so much, she got her seat close enough to actually see and hear them.

00:00:48.280 Sort of.

00:00:49.560 You were made to scream from the front row.

00:00:51.800 We were made to quietly save you more.

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00:01:00.640 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.560 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.460 We begin today with breaking news this morning

00:01:17.560 that the FBI and Homeland Security Investigations team

00:01:21.340 have made arrests over that outrageous ICE protests.

00:01:25.680 It was terrorism at City's Church in St. Paul, Minnesota on Sunday.

00:01:30.660 According to FBI Director Cash Patel,

00:01:33.320 Nakima Levy Armstrong,

00:01:35.780 Enjoy Prison,

00:01:37.460 and Chantille Allen have been taken into custody for violating the FACE Act.

00:01:41.860 That was really fucking dumb.

00:01:44.480 That was stupid ass behavior.

00:01:47.240 I love that you put it on camera.

00:01:49.780 Thanks for inviting your pal Don Lemon and your BLM pals,

00:01:53.700 I know you're members of it,

00:01:55.560 to put it all on camera.

00:01:57.760 I know you really wanted fame.

00:01:59.500 In fact, you wound up with infamy

00:02:01.400 and some criminal problems.

00:02:04.120 So terrific for you.

00:02:06.360 The FACE Act is the federal law

00:02:08.320 that makes it a crime for,

00:02:09.900 whoever by force or threat of force

00:02:12.360 or by physical obstruction

00:02:14.480 intentionally injures, intimidates,

00:02:17.040 or interferes with or attempts to do those things

00:02:19.960 with any person lawfully exercising

00:02:22.240 or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right

00:02:24.060 of religious freedom at a place of religious worship.

00:02:27.660 So it's basically,

00:02:29.000 if you by physical obstruction

00:02:30.800 or any sort of force or threat of force

00:02:33.500 interfere with somebody who's trying to pray,

00:02:35.460 you're effed, okay?

00:02:38.460 We've got video of Armstrong being taken into custody.

00:02:42.840 This photo here was posted by Kristi Noem.

00:02:45.520 Look at her.

00:02:46.400 I'm thrilled.

00:02:47.300 This is a great moment.

00:02:49.320 Let's just sit, shall we?

00:02:51.420 And look at this large, unhappy woman with her hands.

00:02:57.540 Yeah, they're handcuffed, right?

00:02:58.920 They're handcuffed behind her back.

00:03:00.240 I love it.

00:03:03.180 Not so fun now, is it, Nakima?

00:03:07.660 Who's the disruptor now?

00:03:10.860 I hope you love the county jail.

00:03:13.620 I can't wait to hear how it goes for you.

00:03:16.600 Look at her.

00:03:17.340 She was so sure of herself.

00:03:20.060 She was so proud of what she was doing to those Christians

00:03:24.820 minding their own business, trying to pray.

00:03:29.260 She's a BLM agitator.

00:03:32.000 She's used to Minneapolis,

00:03:33.740 where all you have to do is say George Floyd

00:03:36.520 and they give you a pass,

00:03:38.280 especially if you're a fat black woman.

00:03:41.280 Well, those days are over, okay?

00:03:44.320 Because we have a new sheriff in town

00:03:45.920 and his name is President Donald Trump,

00:03:48.600 who plans on enforcing federal laws,

00:03:51.940 including the Klan Act and the FACE Act.

00:03:56.040 She's being charged with a felony,

00:03:59.720 conspiracy against rights under the Klan Act,

00:04:02.200 in addition to the FACE Act charges, a felony.

00:04:05.680 The Klan Act, you could go to jail for 10 years

00:04:07.920 if you are found guilty under the Klan Act.

00:04:10.820 Yes, BLM lady, you are being charged under the Klan Act

00:04:16.300 because it's basically conspiracy against rights.

00:04:19.140 If you engage in a conspiracy to violate somebody's civil rights,

00:04:22.740 like their right to worship, you're in a lot of trouble.

00:04:26.940 You've committed a crime.

00:04:29.260 That's what you've been charged with.

00:04:31.660 So, look, it's still going to have to be charged,

00:04:35.940 or going to have to be tried in a Minneapolis federal courtroom,

00:04:39.260 which is better than state court.

00:04:40.820 For sure.

00:04:41.900 You're going to have better prosecutors.

00:04:44.300 And in general, you might have a better jury pool.

00:04:47.980 But not that much better.

00:04:49.620 So she's still got that going for her,

00:04:51.580 that she still gets to get tried there.

00:04:55.020 However, Nakima violated the law,

00:04:57.940 and it's really clear.

00:04:59.440 It's really not even ambiguous.

00:05:00.900 I mean, we've got some ambiguity,

00:05:03.320 at least some ambiguity around Don Lemon,

00:05:05.080 because he's got, like, the journalism thing.

00:05:06.960 That's wrong.

00:05:07.900 He committed a crime, too.

00:05:08.940 I'm just saying he's at least got another excuse for being there

00:05:12.780 that he could try to use to prey upon the sympathies of a jury.

00:05:16.180 She's got no excuse.

00:05:17.680 None.

00:05:17.980 What was her role?

00:05:20.620 Nakima?

00:05:21.420 Nakima Levy Armstrong?

00:05:23.700 Well, Don Lemon was happy to tell us all

00:05:25.380 at the start of his six-hour live stream on Sunday.

00:05:27.820 Watch.

00:05:28.100 I'm speaking to an organization there

00:05:31.020 that's gearing up for resistance and protest.

00:05:34.620 I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised,

00:05:37.020 to see the community coming together,

00:05:39.320 diverse community.

00:05:40.900 If you see this, when we first pulled up,

00:05:42.260 we were like, wait a minute,

00:05:43.440 which operation are we at?

00:05:46.840 And as it turns out, because we were like,

00:05:48.800 well, this is kind of MAGA-coded, right?

00:05:50.960 Saw the American flag or whatever,

00:05:52.340 but these are resistance protesters.

00:05:54.240 They're planning an operation

00:05:55.300 that we're going to follow them on.

00:05:56.400 And I can't tell you exactly what they're doing,

00:05:58.600 but it's called Operation Pull-Up.

00:06:01.220 And it's Nakima Armstrong.

00:06:02.700 And she has been doing this since George Floyd,

00:06:06.640 Dante Wright, and others,

00:06:08.460 where they surprise people,

00:06:10.640 catch them off guard, and hold them to account.

00:06:13.460 And so that's what we're doing here.

00:06:14.700 And then after that, after we do this operation,

00:06:16.760 you'll see it live.

00:06:18.000 And these operations are surprise operations.

00:06:20.000 Again, I can't tell you where they're going

00:06:21.260 and where we're gathered right now.

00:06:24.320 But he knew.

00:06:25.100 Don Lemon's not always the most reliable reporter,

00:06:28.380 but luckily, Ms. Armstrong spoke for herself.

00:06:31.360 Watch.

00:06:33.260 Tell us why you're doing this.

00:06:34.620 This is Operation Pull-Up,

00:06:35.840 more of a clandestine operation.

00:06:37.580 We show up somewhere that is a key location.

00:06:41.480 They don't expect us to come there.

00:06:43.320 And then we disrupt business as usual.

00:06:46.160 So that's what we're about to go do right now.

00:06:47.720 It's all on, it's wonderful.

00:06:50.680 This is great stuff.

00:06:52.020 I'm sorry, but like,

00:06:53.560 Harmeet Dillon must have been like,

00:06:55.200 just popping the popcorn watching this.

00:06:59.080 We go to a clandestine location.

00:07:01.000 We know that Don Lemon knew it was a church.

00:07:02.740 He's on camera in his car saying it

00:07:05.280 before they got there.

00:07:07.580 She, of course, knows that it's the church

00:07:09.200 because she organized it.

00:07:10.380 She says we're intentionally going someplace

00:07:12.640 where they do not expect us to disrupt.

00:07:17.280 Okay?

00:07:17.700 Because later she would try to suggest to CNN,

00:07:20.180 like she was just there.

00:07:21.200 She was like basically a churchgoer.

00:07:23.260 Okay?

00:07:23.860 She's on camera with Lemon.

00:07:25.400 We're going to a clandestine location.

00:07:27.380 They do not expect us.

00:07:28.660 We're going there with the purpose of disrupting them.

00:07:31.540 Now, if you were an anchor at CNN

00:07:33.380 and you had an interview with this lady,

00:07:35.120 do you think you might confront her with those facts?

00:07:38.860 Especially if she tried to lie about them

00:07:41.680 on your national program?

00:07:45.280 In the intro to this woman's segment,

00:07:48.720 apparently Erin Burnett said something

00:07:50.280 about how the group rushed into the church.

00:07:52.920 And now Ms. Armstrong on CNN

00:07:55.640 is taking real issue with that.

00:07:58.400 You know, trying to repaint it all.

00:08:00.340 Like we were just trying to participate in the service.

00:08:03.640 She almost spins it as like,

00:08:05.800 but then, like the pastor went so far,

00:08:09.200 we had no choice but to disrupt.

00:08:11.220 Here's her trying to spin it

00:08:12.520 with zero pushback from Erin Burnett

00:08:16.240 last night on CNN.

00:08:18.760 Now the protest on Sunday

00:08:20.880 interrupted the service with chants like this.

00:08:23.640 Protesters have defended the protest,

00:08:34.220 saying that the pastor at the church

00:08:35.800 is a local official serving with ICE.

00:08:38.160 Now DHS has not confirmed or denied that.

00:08:41.000 Trump's DOJ, though, has called this a crime

00:08:43.060 and said that it was desecrating a house of worship.

00:08:45.380 And I do want to correct something

00:08:47.280 that was said in the beginning.

00:08:49.000 We did not rush into that church.

00:08:50.840 We actually went and sat down

00:08:53.080 and participated in the service.

00:08:55.460 And after the pastor prayed,

00:08:57.860 that is when I stood up

00:08:59.400 and asked him a question

00:09:01.380 in response to his prayer.

00:09:03.480 And then I, and he responded to me.

00:09:05.600 And then I proceeded to ask him

00:09:08.040 about Pastor David Easterwood

00:09:10.500 and how is it possible for him

00:09:12.460 to serve as both a pastor

00:09:14.000 and the director of ICE for Minnesota.

00:09:16.440 And instead of responding to me,

00:09:19.300 as soon as I said the name David Easterwood,

00:09:22.100 the pastor says, shame, shame.

00:09:25.920 And that is when I led us in chance,

00:09:28.620 justice for Renee Good and hands up, don't shoot.

00:09:31.260 So I want to clarify that.

00:09:32.600 We didn't rush in.

00:09:33.700 We didn't bust in.

00:09:35.120 We were a part of the service

00:09:36.700 until I got up and posed that question to the pastor.

00:09:40.380 All right.

00:09:41.080 And obviously I'm not going to dispute

00:09:42.820 your, you know, saying what happened.

00:09:45.200 And I'm merely describing

00:09:46.720 how CNN is describing it.

00:09:48.540 I obviously wasn't in the room.

00:09:50.720 But you are a chicken shit

00:09:52.660 because you have tons of video

00:09:54.960 showing what actually happened.

00:09:57.180 By the way, how about her showing two seconds,

00:10:00.160 two seconds of what happened

00:10:01.780 inside of that church

00:10:02.580 to illuminate the CNN audience?

00:10:04.500 Did that really bring home

00:10:05.640 the shouting in the faces

00:10:07.340 that William Kelly did

00:10:09.120 that we've been showing you?

00:10:10.500 God forbid Erin Burnett show you

00:10:12.120 what actually happened.

00:10:13.300 Two seconds of what's in there.

00:10:15.020 And then she lets her guest lie

00:10:16.820 about what happened

00:10:18.120 and then says,

00:10:19.580 oh, well, I wasn't there.

00:10:20.360 So obviously I'm not going to challenge you.

00:10:21.780 Now, let me tell you,

00:10:22.420 all that is infuriating

00:10:23.640 because it's a failure of journalism.

00:10:25.000 And I'm going to show you

00:10:25.820 what actually happened

00:10:26.480 at the start of the protest in one second.

00:10:28.060 But I just want to tell you right now

00:10:29.260 before we do any of this stuff,

00:10:31.000 it's all irrelevant.

00:10:32.440 All of that is totally irrelevant.

00:10:35.020 Nakima, you're an idiot.

00:10:37.000 No one gives a shit

00:10:38.100 whether you did sit there

00:10:39.800 for the first couple of minutes

00:10:40.840 and then there's no doubt

00:10:42.780 you did what you said

00:10:44.520 you were going to do,

00:10:45.120 which was disrupt

00:10:46.340 the unsuspecting parishioners

00:10:49.400 who are trying to attend Sunday service.

00:10:51.800 No one cares.

00:10:52.680 The law doesn't care

00:10:54.620 if you sat there for a few minutes

00:10:57.400 before you launched your disruption.

00:11:00.220 Okay?

00:11:01.100 So I don't know who's advising you

00:11:03.460 at your little BLM organization

00:11:06.020 where it turns out

00:11:07.020 you take more money

00:11:08.100 than you give

00:11:09.280 in your charitable work

00:11:11.120 and we'll get to that.

00:11:12.580 But you to me

00:11:13.620 seem like a fraudster, madam.

00:11:15.540 You seem to me

00:11:16.740 like a criminal

00:11:17.500 even before you went

00:11:18.940 into that church.

00:11:20.180 And had I been interviewing you,

00:11:22.120 I would have raised it.

00:11:23.840 Why do you take more

00:11:25.040 out of your charity

00:11:25.760 than you give

00:11:26.840 to the needy, ma'am,

00:11:28.860 year after year after year?

00:11:32.140 Is that very Christian?

00:11:34.300 Is that something

00:11:34.960 God would approve of?

00:11:36.960 Because you seem

00:11:37.500 really connected with God.

00:11:40.000 Or at least your buddy Don Lemon

00:11:41.680 purports to be

00:11:42.520 in his questioning

00:11:43.260 and you standing up

00:11:44.760 trying to cross-examine

00:11:46.680 the pastor

00:11:47.440 like you know better.

00:11:49.560 I mean,

00:11:50.180 I don't think you fully disclose

00:11:51.860 to everybody involved in this

00:11:53.700 what your true character is, madam.

00:11:56.460 But don't worry.

00:11:57.500 It's going to come up

00:11:58.260 at your trial.

00:11:59.160 I'm sure we'll learn

00:12:00.240 a whole lot more about you

00:12:01.380 before we get to that day.

00:12:03.460 So in any event,

00:12:04.960 it's irrelevant

00:12:05.760 whether she sat there

00:12:07.200 for a few minutes

00:12:07.880 before she launched the protest.

00:12:09.560 But this whole thing

00:12:11.220 is interesting

00:12:11.620 because it's evidence

00:12:12.280 of what a fucking liar she is.

00:12:14.220 Once again, she lies.

00:12:15.440 Her instinct is to lie.

00:12:17.540 That she, you know,

00:12:18.700 she suggests

00:12:19.680 she was just so sweet

00:12:20.720 and like it really was,

00:12:22.480 kind of the pastor started it

00:12:23.820 is what she's implying there.

00:12:25.200 I just asked

00:12:25.820 an innocent question,

00:12:27.200 you know,

00:12:27.580 like me saying,

00:12:29.080 you know,

00:12:29.400 father,

00:12:31.220 why didn't you mention

00:12:32.040 Charlie Kirk?

00:12:33.180 Which I would never yell out

00:12:34.120 in the middle of a mass,

00:12:36.020 but okay.

00:12:36.500 She's kind of trying to spin it

00:12:37.720 like she just kind of

00:12:38.780 mildly asked something.

00:12:40.440 Then he said something

00:12:41.120 so outrageous

00:12:41.800 that things spontaneously broke out.

00:12:43.480 Even though she's on camera

00:12:44.500 with Lemon saying

00:12:45.260 they're not going to expect us

00:12:47.280 and then we're going to get them.

00:12:48.600 We're going to disrupt them.

00:12:49.700 Like,

00:12:50.240 idiot.

00:12:51.140 Idiot.

00:12:51.640 It's straight out

00:12:52.240 of the stupid criminal files,

00:12:53.760 right?

00:12:54.040 Like that we used to put on,

00:12:55.380 on cable

00:12:56.560 and people used to do

00:12:57.540 in like comic strips.

00:12:59.080 Anyway,

00:12:59.620 here is the start of the protest

00:13:01.060 for you to judge for yourselves.

00:13:02.380 You will hear

00:13:03.020 Ms. Levy Armstrong

00:13:04.820 talking at the pastor

00:13:06.640 and that's the right way

00:13:07.440 to put it.

00:13:08.000 And then the chants

00:13:09.480 and the demands begin.

00:13:15.360 That is correct.

00:13:18.440 They're already walking

00:13:25.000 down the aisles

00:13:25.540 on their feet.

00:13:27.120 You can hear her.

00:13:32.900 And here it is.

00:13:33.960 Renee Good!

00:13:35.660 Oh, there's our friend

00:13:36.600 Mr. Kelly.

00:13:38.380 Renee Good!

00:13:45.060 Where are you?

00:13:46.760 Where are you?

00:13:47.460 Where are you?

00:13:48.440 Where are your people?

00:13:49.740 This is where he said shame

00:13:51.220 after they had taken over

00:13:53.200 the service.

00:13:54.440 Standing for our people.

00:13:56.040 Where are you?

00:13:57.060 You drink your coffee.

00:13:58.520 You got your jewelry.

00:13:59.820 You have your nice clothes.

00:14:01.400 But what do you do?

00:14:02.200 What do you do?

00:14:02.500 What do you do?

00:14:03.200 Stand for your Somali

00:14:04.140 and Latino communities.

00:14:05.380 I'm not going to comment.

00:14:06.260 You have no comment.

00:14:07.240 Exactly.

00:14:08.660 He's in the face

00:14:09.560 of this young parishioner

00:14:11.080 saying,

00:14:11.740 I'm not going to comment.

00:14:12.460 I don't have to fucking

00:14:13.160 talk to you,

00:14:13.760 you cretin.

00:14:14.700 But behind him,

00:14:15.560 we just noticed this

00:14:16.300 as we were getting

00:14:16.760 the video ready for today.

00:14:18.440 You see three young people

00:14:19.680 holding each other

00:14:20.920 in a circle,

00:14:21.980 like scared.

00:14:23.620 That which is exactly

00:14:24.840 what Nakima wanted.

00:14:28.300 Enjoy your strip search.

00:14:30.720 Who's scared now?

00:14:33.520 You can hear the pastor say,

00:14:35.520 you better get out

00:14:37.540 to one of the protesters.

00:14:39.100 In that very soundbite

00:14:40.000 we just played,

00:14:40.640 he says,

00:14:41.380 you better get out.

00:14:42.780 Let me just make it

00:14:44.040 perfectly clear.

00:14:44.960 This was trespassed

00:14:45.880 from the moment

00:14:46.380 they stepped into

00:14:47.440 that church

00:14:48.080 planning to disrupt.

00:14:49.980 Who's invited

00:14:50.780 onto this private property?

00:14:52.480 Parishioners wanting to pray.

00:14:54.060 That's not what

00:14:55.140 they were doing.

00:14:56.840 You cannot show up there

00:14:58.980 and have a little

00:15:00.120 wiffle ball game.

00:15:02.020 You cannot show up there

00:15:03.680 for a square dance.

00:15:05.560 And you cannot show up there

00:15:07.200 to disrupt them

00:15:08.340 with shouts of

00:15:09.500 hands up,

00:15:10.220 don't shoot.

00:15:10.560 That is not an acceptance

00:15:13.020 of the invitation

00:15:13.860 to show up and worship.

00:15:15.460 Okay, so you trespassed

00:15:16.480 from the first step

00:15:17.600 into the church,

00:15:18.640 all of you,

00:15:19.400 Don Lemon included,

00:15:21.020 and you really trespassed

00:15:22.680 with zero ambiguity

00:15:24.240 once you were told

00:15:25.460 to get out,

00:15:27.800 which you were repeatedly.

00:15:30.520 They're not going to be

00:15:31.360 charged with trespass

00:15:32.220 because it's a state crime

00:15:33.320 and we all know

00:15:34.180 that Minnesota authorities

00:15:35.120 have zero interest

00:15:36.440 in enforcing the criminal law

00:15:38.220 against anyone affiliated

00:15:39.380 with BLM.

00:15:40.560 In fact,

00:15:41.520 they used that group

00:15:42.220 to railroad Derek Chauvin

00:15:43.520 into prison

00:15:44.120 and certainly not

00:15:46.060 against this group

00:15:46.720 because they're on the side

00:15:47.740 of the anti-ice protesters.

00:15:49.660 Okay, but that's just

00:15:50.880 one of the many crimes

00:15:51.620 that they committed

00:15:52.160 and they did commit

00:15:53.660 conspiracy against rights,

00:15:56.700 the people's rights

00:15:57.460 who are cowering in fear,

00:15:59.100 holding on to one another,

00:16:00.420 children crying in the pews.

00:16:02.340 You absolutely did.

00:16:04.240 You accused felon,

00:16:07.500 Nakima.

00:16:07.960 And here's what we know

00:16:11.720 about this woman,

00:16:13.100 Nakima Levy Armstrong.

00:16:15.620 According to Fox News,

00:16:16.740 she's currently the CEO

00:16:17.680 of a cannabis company

00:16:18.960 called Dope Roots.

00:16:21.200 And from 2019 to 2024,

00:16:23.440 she led an anti-poverty nonprofit.

00:16:25.960 You know, those are big

00:16:26.920 in Minneapolis.

00:16:28.000 Perhaps you've heard.

00:16:29.240 Called the Wayfinder Foundation.

00:16:31.360 During that time,

00:16:32.400 Ms. Armstrong received

00:16:33.300 over $1 million

00:16:33.980 in compensation.

00:16:34.940 The organization doled out

00:16:36.680 approximately $700,000

00:16:38.620 in grants.

00:16:39.980 Got it?

00:16:41.840 Let me tell you something.

00:16:43.060 This is so common.

00:16:44.760 You got to really look into

00:16:46.300 any organization

00:16:47.260 that you donate to.

00:16:48.560 This is why I never

00:16:49.600 just dole out money

00:16:50.660 when like somebody

00:16:51.320 asked me on the street

00:16:52.140 or like somebody's like,

00:16:53.540 oh, whatever.

00:16:54.080 Let me get something started.

00:16:55.360 I will only give

00:16:56.540 to organizations

00:16:57.240 that I've actually looked into

00:16:58.560 because here's what happens.

00:17:00.840 Somebody says,

00:17:01.780 I need to support myself.

00:17:03.340 I'm going to create a charity

00:17:04.540 and I'm going to give

00:17:05.520 to whatever cause.

00:17:06.480 You know, pick the cause.

00:17:08.020 But my salary is going to be

00:17:09.800 $500,000 a year.

00:17:12.180 So let's say they earn,

00:17:13.920 you know, $750,000 earn.

00:17:15.900 You know, they get in donation

00:17:16.720 $750,000 that first year.

00:17:18.560 So $250,000 goes to a worthy cause

00:17:21.100 potentially.

00:17:21.760 And $500,000 goes to line

00:17:23.880 their pockets

00:17:24.900 because they want to be kept

00:17:26.360 in a certain manner of living.

00:17:28.920 And that certainly appears

00:17:29.980 to have been the case

00:17:30.640 with Ms. Armstrong,

00:17:31.700 who, again,

00:17:33.180 over the past few years

00:17:34.120 took in a million dollars

00:17:35.600 in salary.

00:17:36.320 I think it's over six years

00:17:37.320 and donated $700,000.

00:17:40.200 So she made a million.

00:17:41.940 She donated $700,000.

00:17:44.900 And that calculation is off,

00:17:47.680 my friends.

00:17:48.780 It's way off.

00:17:50.420 For salary to take up,

00:17:52.020 what, 65%

00:17:53.120 of the money you take in?

00:17:56.060 We look to make sure

00:17:57.200 it's like less than 15%.

00:17:59.020 And did this person say,

00:18:00.420 what, 65% are just doing my math

00:18:02.020 in the back of the envelope?

00:18:03.140 This is disgusting, okay?

00:18:04.900 She's a con woman.

00:18:06.600 That's clearly what she is.

00:18:08.980 And she certainly had no worries

00:18:10.780 about living in poverty

00:18:12.420 thanks to her grift.

00:18:14.920 As for the second woman under arrest,

00:18:16.760 you'd be excused

00:18:17.660 if you saw them in a side-by-side

00:18:19.080 of thinking they were

00:18:20.160 identical twin sisters.

00:18:21.900 It's another enormous black woman,

00:18:25.040 and this one has

00:18:26.220 a receding hairline.

00:18:27.200 I'm just giving it

00:18:27.760 to you a straight listening audience

00:18:28.800 of what we're looking at.

00:18:29.740 She's got glasses too.

00:18:31.360 Chantille Allen.

00:18:32.540 She's a community organizer

00:18:34.720 and an elected member

00:18:36.100 of the St. Paul School Board.

00:18:40.600 Are any sane people

00:18:42.100 still living in Minneapolis, St. Paul?

00:18:44.380 Doesn't St. Paul pride itself

00:18:45.700 on being the more sane

00:18:46.800 one of the Twin Cities?

00:18:48.560 How do you have this woman

00:18:49.380 on your school board?

00:18:50.720 Explain that to me.

00:18:52.020 You still got a mass of people

00:18:53.920 that voted for her?

00:18:55.340 It's unbelievable.

00:18:56.400 She has a role

00:18:57.020 in educating children

00:19:00.240 and deciding on what children

00:19:02.300 learn in schools.

00:19:04.200 She's also, you'll be shocked,

00:19:05.820 shocked to learn,

00:19:06.900 listed as a founder

00:19:07.880 of Black Lives Matter Twin Cities

00:19:10.060 on her LinkedIn profile.

00:19:12.880 It's no wonder they stood up there

00:19:14.160 with a hands up, don't shoot,

00:19:15.140 hands up, don't shoot.

00:19:15.940 That's what they were chanting,

00:19:17.080 like we pointed out yesterday.

00:19:19.120 Here she is, by the way.

00:19:20.340 Here's Ms. Allen at the protest

00:19:21.820 making the hands up,

00:19:22.600 don't shoot gesture

00:19:23.300 with children in the pews.

00:19:24.940 As we pointed out yesterday,

00:19:26.820 what do those children know

00:19:27.580 about hands up, don't shoot?

00:19:28.580 Nothing, nothing.

00:19:29.860 What they see is people saying

00:19:31.460 hands up, don't shoot.

00:19:33.860 They're talking about shooting

00:19:35.300 in a church and your hands up.

00:19:37.920 You could excuse any child

00:19:39.440 for not understanding that reference

00:19:41.240 and misunderstanding it

00:19:42.940 as a threat, a direct threat,

00:19:45.580 mentioning shooting

00:19:46.740 and get your hands up.

00:19:48.400 these absolute disgusting,

00:19:51.860 disgusting, vile narcissists

00:19:54.480 in there without a care

00:19:56.000 for anybody but their own egos.

00:19:58.140 They don't care about the people

00:19:59.520 being arrested by ICE.

00:20:01.400 Come on.

00:20:02.420 Does anyone actually believe that?

00:20:04.560 They want to make themselves stars.

00:20:06.680 It's people like Patrice Cullors,

00:20:09.480 one of the founders of BLM,

00:20:10.860 who wants to line her own pockets

00:20:12.560 with home after home after home.

00:20:14.840 She wants to get rich

00:20:16.460 off of usually white women's

00:20:18.840 ridiculous misplaced empathy

00:20:21.160 and privilege,

00:20:22.700 guilt over their privilege,

00:20:24.240 while she rides it to the bank.

00:20:27.180 And Miss Allen here

00:20:28.200 clearly is one of them.

00:20:30.220 You can also see her in the background

00:20:31.860 as her buddy, Nakima Armstrong,

00:20:34.760 speaks because she wants

00:20:35.980 to be on camera.

00:20:36.800 They all want to be a star.

00:20:38.400 Well, now you are on camera

00:20:39.460 and you're going to be

00:20:40.300 on another camera soon.

00:20:41.240 It's called a mugshot.

00:20:42.520 I look forward to celebrating it.

00:20:44.120 But here's Armstrong

00:20:45.120 talking to Lemon

00:20:46.380 with the third lady in the back.

00:20:50.100 And that's why we're here.

00:20:51.940 Demanding justice for Renee Good

00:20:53.800 and letting them know

00:20:55.320 that this will not stand.

00:20:57.780 They cannot pretend

00:20:58.780 to be a house of God

00:21:00.100 while harboring someone

00:21:01.840 who is directing ICE agents

00:21:03.960 to wreak havoc upon our community

00:21:06.000 and who killed Renee Good.

00:21:11.960 They're all such idiots.

00:21:13.100 They cannot pretend

00:21:14.800 to be a house of God.

00:21:15.840 I mean, she makes it very explicit

00:21:17.620 that she is there

00:21:19.260 attacking them

00:21:20.420 based on their religious observance.

00:21:23.440 Like, this woman is effed.

00:21:25.240 They're all going down.

00:21:26.980 They are.

00:21:27.500 They're all going down.

00:21:28.500 This is so satisfying.

00:21:30.560 God bless Pam Bondi.

00:21:32.440 God bless Harmeet Dillon.

00:21:34.800 God bless Kash Patel.

00:21:36.220 You guys, you go.

00:21:38.120 Keep going.

00:21:39.500 This is what we need to see.

00:21:41.760 Accountability for the lawlessness

00:21:43.920 that we have seen time and time again

00:21:45.760 on the progressive left.

00:21:47.560 They are out of control.

00:21:49.540 They are ruining this country.

00:21:52.700 And as I said on Monday,

00:21:54.460 they crossed a red line

00:21:56.460 going into that church.

00:21:58.400 And now they will be forced to pay.

00:22:01.640 Can't wait for the mugshot

00:22:03.840 for those ladies

00:22:05.060 who love

00:22:06.180 seeing their mugs on camera.

00:22:09.000 And by the way,

00:22:10.300 Don Lemons

00:22:10.920 won't be far behind.

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00:23:18.640 There's something so incredibly satisfying

00:23:22.380 about seeing that Nakima Levy Armstrong

00:23:27.840 with her hands behind her back

00:23:30.240 in an obvious handcuffed position

00:23:33.020 as they place her under arrest

00:23:35.920 for terrorizing innocent Christians.

00:23:39.280 Your thoughts on it, Allie?

00:23:41.300 Yeah, you know,

00:23:42.200 she's probably going to use this

00:23:43.680 to try to fundraise,

00:23:44.780 to line her own pockets,

00:23:46.100 but who cares?

00:23:47.020 This is justice.

00:23:48.440 However she wants to use it,

00:23:49.840 however her allies want to use it

00:23:51.480 to try to enrich themselves

00:23:53.100 as their business,

00:23:54.480 this was the right thing to do.

00:23:56.520 And honestly, for so long,

00:23:58.300 we have gotten used to

00:23:59.580 a lot of politicians

00:24:00.520 just talking tough

00:24:01.660 and not really doing anything.

00:24:03.580 So even though I like Pam Bondi,

00:24:05.580 I like the DOJ,

00:24:06.640 I like what they're doing,

00:24:07.960 I wasn't really sure

00:24:08.940 if anything would happen.

00:24:10.320 When I saw this headline,

00:24:11.320 when I saw this picture today,

00:24:12.900 I said, oh my gosh,

00:24:15.920 it actually happened.

00:24:17.540 And when I think about the FACE Act,

00:24:19.240 I just had Harmeet Dillon

00:24:20.240 on my show last week

00:24:21.620 and she was saying

00:24:22.560 how the FACE Act

00:24:23.340 has almost been exclusively used

00:24:25.360 by Democrats

00:24:26.240 to prosecute pro-lifers

00:24:28.040 who are even just praying

00:24:29.260 in front of an abortion clinic.

00:24:32.240 But now they're using it

00:24:33.640 to go after people

00:24:34.500 who are impeding worship,

00:24:35.680 whether it's at a synagogue

00:24:36.640 or a church.

00:24:38.080 And so this is why it matters

00:24:39.860 who you vote for.

00:24:40.840 You're not just voting

00:24:41.680 for a president

00:24:42.240 or a vice president.

00:24:43.280 You are voting

00:24:43.860 for everyone else too.

00:24:45.400 You are voting for

00:24:46.580 a definition of justice.

00:24:48.520 Do you want a definition

00:24:49.380 of justice that says

00:24:50.760 you can't even pray

00:24:51.860 outside of a center

00:24:52.920 where babies are being killed?

00:24:54.480 Or do you want a definition

00:24:55.660 of justice that says,

00:24:57.080 no, it is wrong

00:24:58.120 to disrupt peaceful worshipers,

00:25:00.800 to try to impede their worship

00:25:02.400 and to terrorize grandmothers

00:25:04.120 and children

00:25:04.660 who are just trying to pray.

00:25:06.960 Every day,

00:25:07.920 I am so thankful

00:25:09.600 that the seemingly impossible

00:25:10.980 happened in November of 2024.

00:25:13.480 Yes, 100%.

00:25:14.740 And now I hear,

00:25:16.280 you know,

00:25:16.400 we had a legal debate

00:25:17.300 on the show yesterday

00:25:18.080 and there was a question

00:25:19.460 about whether the FACE Act

00:25:20.520 will apply

00:25:21.220 because were they

00:25:22.420 physically obstructing worship?

00:25:24.580 Has there been case law

00:25:25.640 that says physically obstructing

00:25:27.240 requires the people cannot leave?

00:25:30.280 I was looking at the case law

00:25:31.700 this morning

00:25:32.200 and there was a case

00:25:33.700 just in the past couple of years.

00:25:35.680 It's always used against,

00:25:37.460 you know,

00:25:37.620 the protesters

00:25:38.060 outside the abortion clinics.

00:25:39.120 It's never used

00:25:39.920 to protect the religious churchgoers.

00:25:41.800 But, you know,

00:25:43.220 we have a new sheriff

00:25:43.800 in town with Trump,

00:25:44.500 so it's being used properly.

00:25:46.440 So, in this case,

00:25:48.060 it happened under Joe Biden.

00:25:49.140 It was in 2023.

00:25:50.640 And two people,

00:25:52.180 they actually,

00:25:52.660 for once,

00:25:53.080 prosecuted people

00:25:53.680 who terrorized

00:25:54.700 a pregnancy center.

00:25:56.540 Not an abortion clinic,

00:25:57.600 a pregnancy center.

00:25:58.980 And this was down in Florida.

00:26:00.840 It was the AUSA

00:26:02.080 down in Florida.

00:26:02.860 So we had somebody

00:26:03.500 who was a little bit

00:26:03.960 more fair and balanced

00:26:04.660 bring charges against these two.

00:26:06.380 And they had spray-painted,

00:26:08.240 spray-painted on the clinic

00:26:09.840 something to the effect of,

00:26:11.940 you know,

00:26:12.320 if so-and-so aren't safe,

00:26:15.400 you know,

00:26:15.560 people who want,

00:26:16.260 I guess,

00:26:16.700 abortions aren't safe,

00:26:18.120 neither are you.

00:26:19.340 Again,

00:26:19.620 they were a little misguided

00:26:21.060 because pregnancy centers

00:26:22.780 are not trying to hurt anybody.

00:26:24.060 They're actually just trying

00:26:24.900 to help all involved.

00:26:26.040 But in any event,

00:26:27.280 the people who spray-painted,

00:26:30.180 they didn't go to the clinic,

00:26:31.720 they didn't block the clinic,

00:26:33.060 they didn't do anything.

00:26:34.400 They just said,

00:26:34.960 if these people aren't safe,

00:26:36.160 neither are you,

00:26:37.340 were found guilty

00:26:38.600 under the FACE Act

00:26:40.100 of causing a threat.

00:26:42.480 That was a threat

00:26:43.280 that was good enough

00:26:44.280 under the FACE Act

00:26:45.400 because they had threatened

00:26:46.080 these people.

00:26:46.780 I mean,

00:26:47.060 these people standing

00:26:47.920 in the middle of the aisles,

00:26:49.220 obstructing the pathways

00:26:50.400 in and out,

00:26:51.640 causing the parishioners

00:26:52.820 to cower in hugs

00:26:54.320 and tears,

00:26:55.900 which we saw repeatedly,

00:26:57.360 getting in their faces,

00:26:58.800 screaming in their faces,

00:27:01.160 right?

00:27:01.440 Like,

00:27:01.620 why aren't you down

00:27:02.620 at the federal center

00:27:03.940 standing up for immigrants?

00:27:05.680 Why don't you get over there

00:27:06.940 and stand up for Somalis?

00:27:08.880 Not to mention

00:27:09.780 the hands up,

00:27:11.180 don't shoot,

00:27:12.020 over and over,

00:27:12.820 chanting something

00:27:14.080 about shooting

00:27:14.840 and getting your hands up

00:27:16.100 in front of children

00:27:17.340 who cannot possibly understand

00:27:18.820 that that's a reference

00:27:19.500 to 2015

00:27:20.140 and Michael Brown.

00:27:23.600 You're going to tell me

00:27:24.560 that one line

00:27:25.520 spray-painted,

00:27:26.960 qualified under the FACE Act,

00:27:28.400 but all of that

00:27:29.760 didn't

00:27:30.720 and that was

00:27:31.380 Joe Biden's

00:27:33.100 Department of Justice.

00:27:35.320 Now we've got somebody

00:27:36.260 who really means it,

00:27:37.520 who's really going to go for it

00:27:38.860 and it's all

00:27:39.940 on tape.

00:27:41.540 They're done,

00:27:42.620 Alibeth.

00:27:42.960 They're done.

00:27:44.360 Yeah,

00:27:44.900 I guess apparently,

00:27:45.820 according to what you just said,

00:27:46.960 that intimidation

00:27:47.780 counts as impeding

00:27:48.760 worship.

00:27:49.360 If someone is so scared

00:27:50.840 to go into a pregnancy center

00:27:52.400 or go into a church

00:27:53.620 because

00:27:54.060 they are afraid

00:27:55.320 and honestly,

00:27:56.040 justifiably so afraid

00:27:57.840 that their lives

00:27:58.980 could be at risk.

00:28:00.180 I mean,

00:28:00.400 everyone has very good reason

00:28:01.780 to fear a left-wing mob

00:28:03.420 right now.

00:28:04.080 After we saw

00:28:04.740 what happened to Trump,

00:28:05.520 we saw what happened to Charlie,

00:28:06.680 we've seen what happens

00:28:07.660 to pro-lifers

00:28:08.920 who make a pro-abortion

00:28:10.440 person angry.

00:28:11.900 Like,

00:28:12.200 we know that the left

00:28:13.200 gets violent

00:28:13.760 really quickly.

00:28:14.760 So they have a reasonable

00:28:16.080 cause to say,

00:28:16.980 I don't think that I can go

00:28:18.060 worship with the body

00:28:19.160 of Christ.

00:28:20.160 And if that's the case,

00:28:21.060 it seems to me,

00:28:21.860 not as a legal scholar,

00:28:23.040 just logically,

00:28:24.140 that that would count

00:28:24.780 as intimidation.

00:28:25.700 That case down in Florida,

00:28:27.240 I'm so glad that those people

00:28:28.380 did get jailed.

00:28:29.080 That's Jane's Revenge.

00:28:30.020 They're a pro-abortion

00:28:30.840 terrorist group.

00:28:31.740 They did that to pregnancy

00:28:32.800 centers across the country.

00:28:34.140 They got 120 days there,

00:28:35.940 but of course,

00:28:36.860 pro-life grandmother

00:28:37.580 who prays in front

00:28:38.380 of a pregnancy center

00:28:39.220 got years.

00:28:39.940 Thank goodness

00:28:40.380 Trump pardoned them.

00:28:42.060 Yep,

00:28:42.360 that's exactly right.

00:28:43.280 And so,

00:28:43.880 what you have to prove

00:28:44.960 is that by force,

00:28:47.860 by threats,

00:28:49.320 or by physical obstruction,

00:28:52.220 that you interfered

00:28:54.320 with the congregants.

00:28:55.580 So they have to prove

00:28:56.440 either force,

00:28:57.560 threats,

00:28:57.880 or physical obstruction.

00:28:59.340 I think we have both threats

00:29:00.960 and physical obstruction here.

00:29:03.260 Right.

00:29:03.360 And if the case law says

00:29:04.800 physical obstruction

00:29:05.560 means they were not able

00:29:07.860 to leave,

00:29:08.620 I still think there's

00:29:09.540 wiggle room

00:29:10.120 because you can see people,

00:29:11.920 why would you be huddling

00:29:13.200 in a group hug

00:29:15.080 in the corner

00:29:15.720 if you felt totally free

00:29:17.060 to walk out?

00:29:18.540 Clearly,

00:29:19.120 they did not feel

00:29:20.060 free to leave.

00:29:21.780 But secondly,

00:29:22.440 you don't even have

00:29:23.240 to have that.

00:29:24.480 You've got the threats,

00:29:25.920 the threatening behavior.

00:29:27.520 You don't have to say,

00:29:28.560 I threaten you.

00:29:29.980 You know,

00:29:30.440 you don't have to say,

00:29:31.180 I am going to shoot you

00:29:32.640 in order for it

00:29:33.660 to be a threat.

00:29:34.920 There are a lot of behavior

00:29:36.300 and words

00:29:37.460 can qualify as threats.

00:29:39.040 They're all over these tapes

00:29:40.840 because these morons,

00:29:42.440 Don Lemon chief among them,

00:29:43.840 Allie,

00:29:44.560 did us the favor

00:29:45.460 of videotaping

00:29:46.960 the whole thing.

00:29:48.240 I mean,

00:29:48.600 I suppose in a way

00:29:49.300 we owe BLM and Don

00:29:50.740 a thank you.

00:29:52.480 Yeah,

00:29:53.020 I guess so.

00:29:53.720 And I know you've already

00:29:54.380 covered this,

00:29:55.220 but you would think

00:29:55.860 that a journalist

00:29:56.460 who exercises

00:29:57.960 his First Amendment rights,

00:29:59.120 whose job depends

00:29:59.920 upon the First Amendment,

00:30:00.920 would understand

00:30:01.560 what the First Amendment was.

00:30:03.340 And the conversation

00:30:05.360 that he was having

00:30:06.260 with the pastor,

00:30:07.140 who, by the way,

00:30:08.080 wasn't yelling,

00:30:08.860 shame, shame.

00:30:09.600 He actually conducted himself

00:30:10.920 with a ton of self-control

00:30:12.500 and restraint,

00:30:13.680 exercising as the shepherd

00:30:15.180 of a flock,

00:30:15.980 which of course

00:30:16.440 as a pastor he is.

00:30:17.540 And he's trying

00:30:18.400 to navigate that conversation

00:30:19.800 with the dumb Don Lemon.

00:30:21.900 And Don Lemon's

00:30:22.340 right in his face.

00:30:23.620 The guy's obviously distracted.

00:30:25.080 He wants to make sure

00:30:25.740 that these women

00:30:26.300 and children are cared for.

00:30:27.600 And Don Lemon says,

00:30:28.660 don't push me.

00:30:30.180 I mean,

00:30:30.720 what a complete joke.

00:30:32.980 What a scam artist he is.

00:30:34.920 Not only that he lied

00:30:35.900 about the whole thing,

00:30:36.700 whether or not

00:30:37.180 he knew about it,

00:30:38.040 obviously he was invited.

00:30:39.380 He was caught kissing

00:30:40.320 this person

00:30:41.000 who is now an accused felon.

00:30:43.120 But also just him

00:30:44.660 already pretending

00:30:45.920 to be the victim

00:30:47.320 in this scenario.

00:30:48.720 I mean,

00:30:49.120 it's just sickening.

00:30:51.300 It is sickening.

00:30:52.460 But it's so satisfying

00:30:54.360 that they're going to be

00:30:55.660 held to account.

00:30:56.940 You know,

00:30:57.140 and look,

00:30:58.180 one violation of the FACE Act

00:30:59.400 first time is a misdemeanor.

00:31:00.780 But if you get charged

00:31:01.720 on that Klan Act,

00:31:02.560 it's a felony.

00:31:03.300 And now we're in business.

00:31:04.460 I mean,

00:31:04.620 now you're talking

00:31:05.180 about a deadly serious crime,

00:31:07.240 which this should be.

00:31:09.240 I mean,

00:31:09.440 it should be like,

00:31:10.760 people want to play

00:31:11.520 this off, Allie,

00:31:12.380 as like,

00:31:12.960 oh, whatever.

00:31:13.700 You know,

00:31:14.000 they didn't hurt anybody.

00:31:14.860 I've heard some

00:31:15.260 of their defenders.

00:31:15.760 They didn't hurt anybody.

00:31:16.600 It was terrorism.

00:31:19.320 They went into that church.

00:31:21.060 Their behavior

00:31:21.620 caused children

00:31:22.360 to cower in fear

00:31:23.580 and cry.

00:31:24.600 And Don Lemon

00:31:25.340 celebrated it,

00:31:26.660 saying trauma

00:31:27.480 is part of the process.

00:31:29.880 I mean,

00:31:30.200 it's such a creepy,

00:31:32.000 it's such a creepy comment.

00:31:34.320 like,

00:31:34.940 it reminded me

00:31:36.120 of like,

00:31:36.800 a sexual assault pervert

00:31:38.940 who's trying

00:31:39.880 to calm down

00:31:40.640 his victim,

00:31:41.780 saying like,

00:31:42.580 trauma's part of it.

00:31:43.900 Trauma's part

00:31:44.700 of the process.

00:31:45.820 He's actually

00:31:46.880 like,

00:31:47.920 calmly

00:31:48.480 looking at them

00:31:49.880 running out of the church

00:31:51.080 in fear,

00:31:51.680 like,

00:31:52.380 this is part of it.

00:31:53.640 And like,

00:31:54.060 you're just going to have

00:31:54.940 to enjoy it.

00:31:56.260 Be traumatized

00:31:57.700 and learn.

00:31:59.220 That's how you learn

00:32:00.320 from the trauma.

00:32:03.160 He said,

00:32:03.940 that's the purpose

00:32:04.620 of a protest

00:32:05.740 is trauma.

00:32:06.680 Since,

00:32:07.200 since when?

00:32:08.000 I've never heard

00:32:08.980 that in my life.

00:32:09.860 I don't even remember

00:32:10.740 hearing that in 2020.

00:32:12.440 Of course,

00:32:12.900 that was the result

00:32:14.160 of a lot of those riots,

00:32:15.520 but I've never heard

00:32:16.240 someone say that out loud.

00:32:17.300 And you're right.

00:32:17.800 The way that he said

00:32:18.500 that so calmly

00:32:19.660 and matter-of-factly

00:32:20.800 is very disturbing.

00:32:22.540 And I hope

00:32:23.280 that the other agitator,

00:32:25.080 whose name I believe

00:32:25.840 is William Kelly,

00:32:27.260 who I believe

00:32:28.040 has also gone

00:32:28.720 to other churches

00:32:29.460 around the country

00:32:30.420 and has stalked

00:32:31.680 people to church,

00:32:32.540 got in their face,

00:32:33.520 cussed them out,

00:32:34.120 says that they're

00:32:34.660 fake Christians.

00:32:36.040 He apparently

00:32:36.640 was very angered,

00:32:37.820 I heard one congregant,

00:32:38.880 say by the children

00:32:39.760 who were crying,

00:32:41.020 started screaming

00:32:41.860 that they're privileged pigs.

00:32:43.880 I hope that he is next

00:32:45.640 because he's obviously

00:32:46.860 done this multiple times.

00:32:48.760 He seems like

00:32:49.480 a very unstable,

00:32:50.880 dangerous guy.

00:32:51.840 We know that it doesn't

00:32:52.640 take very long

00:32:53.480 for someone like that

00:32:54.580 to kind of be edged

00:32:55.900 into violence.

00:32:57.260 And so I want them

00:32:58.200 to continue this,

00:32:59.640 to continue to bring justice

00:33:00.960 and to make sure

00:33:02.280 that someone like that

00:33:03.540 is put away

00:33:04.260 from the rest of society.

00:33:06.280 I completely agree with you.

00:33:07.280 This guy is unhinged

00:33:08.560 and it seems like

00:33:09.520 just a matter of time

00:33:10.360 before he escalates

00:33:11.580 to violence.

00:33:12.640 Here is a clip of him.

00:33:14.520 Our audience is becoming

00:33:15.620 very familiar with him

00:33:16.480 because we've showed

00:33:16.940 a few this week.

00:33:18.100 But here's,

00:33:19.000 you tell me whether

00:33:19.800 this is threatening

00:33:21.120 or not.

00:33:23.900 As you can see,

00:33:25.000 all these pretend Christians,

00:33:27.080 all these comfortable

00:33:28.080 white people

00:33:29.040 who are living

00:33:30.180 lavish, comfortable lives

00:33:31.960 while children are dragged

00:33:33.480 into concentration camps,

00:33:35.340 you're living real life,

00:33:36.300 nice lives

00:33:36.880 with your lattes,

00:33:38.040 doing absolutely nothing

00:33:39.280 for your Latino

00:33:40.140 and Somali brothers

00:33:41.480 and sisters.

00:33:42.340 You are a fake Christian.

00:33:44.160 Why are you not standing

00:33:45.560 with your Somali

00:33:46.440 and Latino communities?

00:33:47.980 Why do I not see you

00:33:49.100 out at Whipple

00:33:49.640 every day protesting

00:33:51.080 this attack on humanity?

00:33:53.020 You're sinners.

00:33:53.960 You're pretending

00:33:54.600 to be Christians.

00:33:55.660 But we know you live

00:33:56.540 an easy life,

00:33:57.280 don't you?

00:33:57.880 Living real comfortable

00:33:59.100 while children are dragged

00:34:00.760 into concentration camps.

00:34:02.300 You're all living

00:34:03.180 real comfortable,

00:34:04.380 aren't you?

00:34:05.020 Shame on you.

00:34:06.500 Do something.

00:34:07.540 Stand with the Somalis.

00:34:08.960 Stand with the Latinos.

00:34:10.680 Quit ignoring

00:34:11.400 this injustice.

00:34:14.580 I mean,

00:34:15.820 the last video

00:34:17.580 was of a young,

00:34:19.000 a van full of young people.

00:34:20.820 The one girl

00:34:21.540 wearing the sweater

00:34:22.620 with the American flag on it

00:34:23.940 who slams that door.

00:34:25.440 It was one of those

00:34:25.960 slider doors.

00:34:26.880 As much as she can

00:34:27.880 slam a door like that,

00:34:28.860 she tries

00:34:29.440 to get the heck

00:34:30.640 away from him.

00:34:32.120 They're all afraid,

00:34:33.380 Allie.

00:34:33.680 Can I just tell you something?

00:34:34.800 I haven't talked about

00:34:35.700 this in the air,

00:34:36.520 but I will tell you

00:34:37.560 I had this very unfortunate,

00:34:39.880 bizarre, weird man,

00:34:41.540 large,

00:34:42.300 confront me

00:34:42.940 in the grocery store

00:34:44.260 like six weeks ago.

00:34:46.420 Yeah.

00:34:46.640 Got in my face,

00:34:48.080 was not a fan,

00:34:49.780 mentioned my children,

00:34:51.280 saying he knows

00:34:52.040 where I live,

00:34:53.120 he knows where my children

00:34:54.060 go to school,

00:34:55.460 and he wants me out.

00:34:57.300 I mean,

00:34:57.500 it was very,

00:34:58.300 it was threatening.

00:34:59.440 There's no question.

00:35:00.520 And when it was over,

00:35:01.620 my heart was racing.

00:35:03.040 And I am a,

00:35:04.140 you know,

00:35:04.980 cynical,

00:35:06.100 seasoned journalist

00:35:07.100 who's had many confrontations

00:35:09.280 that are unfortunate

00:35:10.080 over the course

00:35:11.080 of my 20 years

00:35:11.700 in the business,

00:35:12.560 but it still

00:35:13.800 was very jarring,

00:35:15.020 especially in the wake

00:35:15.680 of Charlie.

00:35:16.200 But like,

00:35:16.640 I didn't know

00:35:17.540 where it was going.

00:35:18.380 He was larger than I was.

00:35:19.740 He was a man.

00:35:20.660 His voice was elevated.

00:35:21.920 He had true hatred

00:35:23.060 in his eyes.

00:35:24.320 And I,

00:35:24.960 even though we were

00:35:25.340 in a public place,

00:35:26.100 thought,

00:35:26.480 I don't know

00:35:26.780 where this is going.

00:35:27.580 Like,

00:35:27.740 I'm not,

00:35:28.400 I don't know

00:35:28.720 what this guy's going to do

00:35:29.620 or what he's capable of.

00:35:31.000 And I am a mature woman

00:35:33.480 who's in the public eye.

00:35:35.780 These are civilians

00:35:37.300 who are teenagers,

00:35:40.080 preteens,

00:35:41.440 children,

00:35:43.140 innocent.

00:35:43.880 You know,

00:35:44.180 that one guy

00:35:44.840 he got in the face of

00:35:45.560 looked like he was maybe 20

00:35:46.980 who are there

00:35:48.540 completely with their guards down.

00:35:50.840 And let me just say something else.

00:35:52.060 That was part of

00:35:52.980 what was so jarring

00:35:53.660 about it for me

00:35:54.600 is that my guard was down too.

00:35:56.220 I was in the grocery store.

00:35:57.960 Yeah.

00:35:58.240 So you're not,

00:35:59.000 you don't have any of your armor on.

00:36:00.560 You know what I mean?

00:36:01.060 Like if I walk into CPAC

00:36:03.180 and someone gets on me

00:36:04.760 outside of CPAC,

00:36:05.760 okay,

00:36:06.060 I know,

00:36:06.640 I get it.

00:36:07.340 Turning point,

00:36:08.260 I know that you're going to get it

00:36:10.040 as a conservative woman,

00:36:11.080 especially.

00:36:11.780 But like the grocery store

00:36:13.780 and times a thousand

00:36:16.120 for churchgoers,

00:36:18.100 right?

00:36:18.720 Who are there,

00:36:19.360 not only like

00:36:20.100 not expecting confrontation,

00:36:22.000 but in many ways,

00:36:23.380 as you know better than anybody

00:36:24.620 at their most vulnerable

00:36:26.820 and open

00:36:28.300 and exposed.

00:36:30.820 Yes.

00:36:31.340 Okay.

00:36:31.560 Well,

00:36:31.740 I just have to ask you

00:36:32.820 and I'm sure everyone else

00:36:34.140 is wondering this too.

00:36:35.180 What did you do

00:36:36.020 and what did you say?

00:36:37.980 So

00:36:38.420 first I told him

00:36:40.200 he was a low information voter

00:36:41.880 and that was unfortunate for him

00:36:43.920 because he was getting on me

00:36:46.060 about things he claimed

00:36:47.080 to have seen on the show.

00:36:48.440 And then

00:36:49.280 when he started mentioning

00:36:50.460 that he knew

00:36:50.880 where my children went to school

00:36:52.000 and where we lived,

00:36:53.540 it did dawn on me

00:36:54.640 that I better get a picture

00:36:55.540 of this person

00:36:56.200 because I did not know

00:36:57.920 where this was going.

00:36:59.720 So then I did

00:37:00.760 and I asked him for his name,

00:37:01.860 which he refused to give me.

00:37:03.220 And I was like,

00:37:04.060 oh,

00:37:04.160 you're so,

00:37:04.580 you're super tough

00:37:05.320 to come confront me

00:37:06.180 in the grocery store,

00:37:06.960 but you're not so tough

00:37:08.280 to give me your name,

00:37:09.180 which I knew I'd have

00:37:10.300 in two minutes,

00:37:11.020 which then I did.

00:37:12.660 And then the police

00:37:13.580 went and paid him a visit

00:37:14.560 to make sure

00:37:15.840 that he understood

00:37:17.000 you're actually not allowed

00:37:18.380 to do that,

00:37:19.380 that this is potentially a crime

00:37:21.200 and that I could have gotten

00:37:22.220 a restraining order

00:37:23.080 against him

00:37:23.600 in two minutes.

00:37:24.740 I easily could have gotten

00:37:25.780 a restraining order

00:37:26.380 against this guy

00:37:26.900 whose identity I did uncover.

00:37:28.980 But because I'm not looking

00:37:30.900 to cause trouble

00:37:31.560 in my community,

00:37:32.280 I didn't do it.

00:37:33.840 Now,

00:37:34.100 if this guy ever comes my way

00:37:35.360 or my family's way again,

00:37:36.800 I will have him arrested

00:37:37.740 and I will get a restraining order.

00:37:39.460 But I wasn't,

00:37:41.120 you know,

00:37:41.360 I wasn't looking

00:37:42.180 to make a bigger thing

00:37:42.980 out of it than it was.

00:37:43.880 He was an asshole.

00:37:45.160 He behaved like a complete jerk,

00:37:47.060 especially given the,

00:37:48.060 you know,

00:37:48.360 he's a large man.

00:37:49.320 I'm like on the petite side,

00:37:51.880 female,

00:37:52.700 like don't be a complete asshole.

00:37:54.900 But he was,

00:37:55.740 whatever.

00:37:56.320 It was handled.

00:37:57.100 The police made him understand

00:37:58.740 that you're not allowed

00:37:59.620 to do that

00:38:00.160 and that if any other

00:38:01.100 bad behavior happens,

00:38:02.840 they'll be back.

00:38:04.040 But I will say,

00:38:05.620 I then talked

00:38:06.140 to my security team about it

00:38:07.280 and they did tell me something

00:38:08.360 that was valuable

00:38:09.060 to both me and you

00:38:10.420 and anybody else listening,

00:38:11.540 which is whenever somebody

00:38:13.420 gets in your face,

00:38:15.100 like the very first thing

00:38:16.280 you do is to call 911,

00:38:17.220 especially if you don't know

00:38:18.860 where it's going.

00:38:19.480 You worry about overreacting.

00:38:21.020 It's not overreacting.

00:38:22.400 They were saying

00:38:23.020 that the sooner

00:38:24.260 you get a good guy

00:38:25.520 with a gun

00:38:26.100 coming to you,

00:38:27.560 the better.

00:38:28.740 Before you take a picture,

00:38:30.640 before you have

00:38:31.440 an ongoing dialogue,

00:38:33.500 before other people come.

00:38:35.120 And by the way,

00:38:35.600 the other shoppers

00:38:36.200 were wonderful.

00:38:36.920 As soon as I got away

00:38:37.640 from this guy,

00:38:38.300 a couple of women

00:38:39.200 in particular came right over.

00:38:40.400 They were like,

00:38:40.740 he's such an asshole.

00:38:41.640 I couldn't believe that.

00:38:42.600 They didn't know what to do.

00:38:43.720 You know,

00:38:43.840 everybody felt powerless

00:38:44.620 in the moment.

00:38:45.180 But my whole point

00:38:46.860 of telling you

00:38:47.360 is that I was shaking

00:38:49.780 and off balance

00:38:51.840 and definitely felt threatened.

00:38:54.180 And so I can only imagine

00:38:55.940 what these kids were feeling

00:38:58.180 when they're mentioning shooting.

00:39:00.200 They're extremely angry.

00:39:02.760 It's a group of them.

00:39:04.220 They're in your face screaming.

00:39:07.040 They're all over the aisles.

00:39:09.140 Your pastor has told them

00:39:10.700 to get out

00:39:11.540 and they won't.

00:39:12.760 And just months earlier,

00:39:13.760 there's been a mass shooting

00:39:15.140 at a Catholic church

00:39:18.440 connected to a school.

00:39:19.660 So it's just like the,

00:39:21.420 you are,

00:39:21.960 there is not going to be

00:39:23.020 any problem arguing threat

00:39:25.220 when you,

00:39:27.420 you know,

00:39:27.880 you're going to get it

00:39:29.440 unless you support abortion

00:39:30.520 is basically what was

00:39:31.360 spray painted on that wall.

00:39:33.020 Like this,

00:39:33.780 they've got them dead to rights

00:39:34.820 and all of this is to underscore

00:39:36.500 how outrageous it was,

00:39:38.040 Allie.

00:39:38.240 Like it's not just

00:39:39.340 if you're a Christian,

00:39:40.140 anybody should be able to see

00:39:41.400 it truly was a before

00:39:43.080 and after moment

00:39:43.760 in protests in America.

00:39:46.080 Yeah.

00:39:46.660 And you know,

00:39:47.420 it,

00:39:47.700 it's obviously so horrifying

00:39:49.540 and I wish it hadn't happened,

00:39:51.000 but it is a wake up call

00:39:53.100 to Christians everywhere else

00:39:54.600 for some reason

00:39:55.460 on this immigration issue

00:39:56.720 on any issue

00:39:57.640 that is considered social justice.

00:39:59.160 So whether it was George Floyd

00:40:00.520 then or Renee Good now,

00:40:02.220 I find a lot of women,

00:40:03.800 even in my audience,

00:40:05.040 evangelical women

00:40:05.940 are just duped

00:40:07.620 by the propaganda.

00:40:08.560 Like they really just,

00:40:10.300 it starts to chip away

00:40:11.260 at their conscience

00:40:11.880 and they're like,

00:40:12.560 okay,

00:40:12.700 maybe this really is going too far.

00:40:14.400 Maybe they really are

00:40:15.240 putting kids in cages.

00:40:16.320 Maybe this like is really bad

00:40:18.460 and I don't know,

00:40:19.340 I should speak out against ICE

00:40:20.700 or Trump or deportations

00:40:22.160 or whatever it is.

00:40:23.500 But they see something like this

00:40:25.260 and they see that those

00:40:26.620 who claim to be

00:40:27.620 on the good side,

00:40:28.800 on the side of the most vulnerable

00:40:30.200 are getting in children's faces

00:40:32.160 and screaming at them

00:40:33.340 that they're privileged pigs.

00:40:34.820 They're chasing little girls

00:40:36.540 and American flag sweaters

00:40:38.240 into their van

00:40:39.500 and telling them

00:40:40.400 that they're going to hell

00:40:41.440 and not real Christians.

00:40:43.060 Like when you see that,

00:40:44.800 I just hope that it is

00:40:47.020 a wake up call

00:40:48.340 and I hope that it shows

00:40:50.040 the Christians

00:40:50.800 who are maybe just like,

00:40:52.620 they feel torn about this,

00:40:53.940 they don't know what to believe.

00:40:55.720 I just want to show you

00:40:56.940 that that is the evil side,

00:40:59.120 that there's no justification for that,

00:41:01.260 that these are not good people,

00:41:02.760 that this is not about Renee Good.

00:41:04.180 Like this woman, Nikita

00:41:06.000 or whatever her name is,

00:41:07.520 this William Kelly,

00:41:08.460 they don't care about Renee Good.

00:41:09.920 This is not about justice.

00:41:11.360 This is not about opposing violence.

00:41:13.700 These people are always looking

00:41:15.060 for any trigger incident

00:41:16.800 that will justify terrorizing

00:41:18.320 Christians and conservatives.

00:41:19.700 They're looking to loot.

00:41:20.980 They're looking to riot.

00:41:22.160 They're looking to disrupt.

00:41:23.280 They're looking to cause chaos

00:41:24.620 because they believe

00:41:25.740 that the whole American system

00:41:27.140 is oppressive and racist

00:41:28.860 and whatever it is.

00:41:30.780 And so they are simply looking

00:41:33.040 for an excuse

00:41:34.080 to go into these conservative churches.

00:41:36.200 I know this church,

00:41:37.100 it's a conservative church.

00:41:38.320 That's probably part of the reason

00:41:39.420 why they targeted it.

00:41:41.000 And they are trying to make you

00:41:42.500 as uncomfortable as possible

00:41:43.780 to intimidate you

00:41:44.780 out of being conservative

00:41:46.040 or pro-ice

00:41:46.860 or whatever it is.

00:41:48.280 They didn't care about George Floyd then.

00:41:50.060 They don't care about Renee Good.

00:41:51.400 Now they're simply looking

00:41:53.080 for a reason to terrorize.

00:41:55.080 That's what BLM is.

00:41:56.480 That's what these progressive activists do.

00:41:58.860 That's right.

00:41:59.700 And there's no reasoning with them.

00:42:02.140 Like they, it's been very like helpful

00:42:05.640 to have Don Lemon do what he did

00:42:07.940 and then go on that podcast

00:42:09.680 with the angry lady on Monday

00:42:11.180 because he says it out loud.

00:42:15.440 You're, if you're a Christian

00:42:17.100 sitting in the pews,

00:42:18.720 you're a white supremacist.

00:42:20.700 Truly, there is zero evidence

00:42:23.180 that anybody in that church

00:42:24.140 is a white supremacist.

00:42:24.860 I mean, truly zero, zero.

00:42:26.560 I can't even say like,

00:42:27.740 oh, this is a church

00:42:28.500 where Derek Chauvin attended

00:42:30.220 and they were rallying behind him

00:42:32.340 after George Floyd,

00:42:33.340 which by the way,

00:42:33.840 would have been the right thing to do.

00:42:34.940 But anyway,

00:42:35.680 you can't even say that.

00:42:37.420 They've done nothing.

00:42:38.580 Nothing.

00:42:39.180 There, maybe there was a pastor

00:42:40.840 who had some affiliation with ICE.

00:42:43.260 Yeah.

00:42:43.560 I have no idea

00:42:44.320 what my priest might be affiliated with

00:42:46.580 in his spare time.

00:42:47.580 Yeah.

00:42:48.220 Which, I mean, by the way,

00:42:50.640 if that is true,

00:42:51.800 good on that pastor.

00:42:52.940 That's great.

00:42:53.800 I hope that more pastors join ICE.

00:42:56.080 I want there to be godly men

00:42:57.920 who see citizenship

00:42:59.060 as something that's important.

00:43:00.460 I want them to be deporting people

00:43:02.720 who shouldn't be here.

00:43:03.760 All of them, by the way,

00:43:04.820 not just the violent criminals.

00:43:06.480 But I especially want them

00:43:08.160 to be targeting those

00:43:09.700 who are rapists,

00:43:11.300 who are, you know,

00:43:12.360 killed people through manslaughter

00:43:13.520 or murder or drug traffickers

00:43:15.040 or whatever.

00:43:15.660 There's a lot of those in Minneapolis

00:43:17.340 because it's a safe haven

00:43:18.580 for that kind of behavior.

00:43:20.360 And so I think that pastor

00:43:21.760 should get a medal.

00:43:22.440 Like, I think he should be applauded.

00:43:24.840 But instead,

00:43:25.380 because he's an advocate

00:43:26.300 for actual justice,

00:43:28.240 his entire church gets punished.

00:43:29.980 And that's the thing

00:43:30.560 about these people.

00:43:31.340 They say they're advocates

00:43:32.140 for justice,

00:43:32.720 but their version of justice

00:43:33.880 is punishing people

00:43:35.320 who are not involved

00:43:36.420 in the things

00:43:37.140 that they are angry about.

00:43:38.740 That's literally

00:43:39.320 the opposite of justice.

00:43:41.300 That, gosh,

00:43:41.620 that's such a great point.

00:43:42.880 The whole, you know,

00:43:44.120 reparations movement

00:43:45.320 for people who had

00:43:46.980 zero ancestors here

00:43:48.960 when we had slavery in America.

00:43:51.080 who have absolutely

00:43:52.160 no connection to it

00:43:53.260 have to pay reparations

00:43:54.340 to people who also had

00:43:55.780 zero connection to slavery

00:43:57.280 but just happen to have

00:43:58.460 black skin.

00:43:59.000 Like, why?

00:43:59.760 The shaming of young white boys

00:44:01.920 in today's day and age

00:44:03.040 for sins that happened

00:44:04.920 hundreds of years ago

00:44:06.020 by white men

00:44:06.780 they have zero connection to.

00:44:08.140 It's insane.

00:44:09.080 You're so right.

00:44:10.240 So what they're saying now,

00:44:11.820 what they're doing now

00:44:12.840 is just an extension

00:44:13.880 of this pernicious ideology

00:44:16.280 we thought we had snuffed out.

00:44:18.140 But, no, it's still out there.

00:44:20.980 Here's an example.

00:44:21.900 We've played this this week

00:44:23.260 but just, it's timely.

00:44:24.640 Lemon talking about

00:44:26.160 the churchgoers in SOT 29.

00:44:29.640 I think that there is,

00:44:31.040 obviously, there's racism

00:44:32.660 and the whole point of it

00:44:33.600 is that they're trying to,

00:44:34.420 they're detaining people

00:44:35.320 on the streets

00:44:35.820 because of accents

00:44:36.900 and the color of their skin

00:44:37.920 and they're also targeting,

00:44:39.800 they're targeting people of color

00:44:40.860 and black people

00:44:41.620 as well as brown people.

00:44:44.020 So there is a certain degree

00:44:45.480 of racism there

00:44:46.220 and there's a certain degree

00:44:47.000 of entitlement.

00:44:47.720 I think people who are,

00:44:48.840 you know, in religious groups

00:44:50.600 like that,

00:44:51.080 it's not the type of Christianity

00:44:52.120 that I practice

00:44:53.280 but I think that they're entitled

00:44:54.740 and that entitlement

00:44:55.980 comes from a supremacy,

00:44:58.100 a white supremacy.

00:44:59.260 And they think that this country

00:45:00.620 was built for them

00:45:01.360 that it is a Christian country

00:45:02.460 when actually we left England

00:45:03.820 because we wanted religious freedom.

00:45:05.540 It's religious freedom

00:45:06.460 but only if you're a Christian

00:45:07.680 and only if you're a white male

00:45:09.080 pretty much.

00:45:10.100 And so, yeah,

00:45:10.660 absolutely 100%

00:45:12.020 but it's an intimidation tactic.

00:45:13.720 I mean, the nerve.

00:45:17.600 So these Christians

00:45:18.520 are white supremacists

00:45:19.460 and they're the ones

00:45:21.480 practicing intimidation tactics.

00:45:23.680 I mean, it's just,

00:45:24.240 it just completely turns

00:45:26.040 everything on its head.

00:45:28.440 It's total,

00:45:29.380 it's total projection.

00:45:30.620 Also, I just can't believe

00:45:31.900 people believe things like this.

00:45:33.900 Like, in what world

00:45:34.620 do you have to live in

00:45:35.440 to believe that we only have

00:45:36.600 religious freedom

00:45:37.320 for white males?

00:45:39.480 I mean, we have

00:45:40.580 Islamic communities

00:45:41.760 that are trying to create

00:45:42.920 whole cities

00:45:43.520 based on their religion.

00:45:45.280 And by the way,

00:45:45.740 I do think that people

00:45:46.780 of all religions

00:45:47.380 should have religious freedom

00:45:48.500 while I disagree with

00:45:49.460 that kind of institutionalization.

00:45:51.160 It's just not true

00:45:52.100 is my point.

00:45:53.200 We have a lot of other religions

00:45:54.620 that are growing in number

00:45:56.220 and growing in power

00:45:57.440 but these people,

00:45:58.660 especially that dumb interviewer,

00:46:00.240 she's like,

00:46:00.800 I think one of the worst

00:46:01.920 people in media

00:46:02.760 but they're just feeding

00:46:03.800 on this stuff

00:46:04.480 and they're,

00:46:04.780 yep, it's true.

00:46:05.660 Only white men

00:46:06.380 have religious liberty.

00:46:07.880 I mean, if you are progressive

00:46:08.980 in this country,

00:46:10.280 you live in an alternate reality

00:46:12.720 that doesn't have

00:46:13.840 any correspondence

00:46:15.120 with reality whatsoever.

00:46:16.960 I, if you remember

00:46:18.740 a few years ago,

00:46:19.620 there was a study

00:46:20.160 that came out

00:46:20.880 in the era of George Floyd

00:46:22.140 in 2020

00:46:22.840 and the researcher

00:46:25.860 asked liberals

00:46:27.120 how many unarmed black men

00:46:29.660 they believed

00:46:30.780 were killed

00:46:31.520 by the police every year.

00:46:33.080 The real number,

00:46:33.940 I think,

00:46:34.260 is like 12.

00:46:35.540 And the average answer

00:46:37.100 was above 10,000.

00:46:38.980 So that just kind of

00:46:40.260 gives you,

00:46:41.540 that gives you

00:46:42.660 an understanding

00:46:43.420 of where progressives

00:46:44.840 are coming from.

00:46:45.560 A lot of them

00:46:46.040 are like that guy

00:46:46.920 who, you know,

00:46:48.180 intimidated you

00:46:49.760 in the grocery store.

00:46:50.980 They just don't have

00:46:51.980 any grounding

00:46:52.620 in the truth

00:46:53.220 and that makes you insane

00:46:54.580 and it makes you

00:46:55.200 do insane things.

00:46:56.780 Mm-hmm, yes.

00:46:57.900 And in those 12,

00:46:59.500 the Washington Post

00:47:00.320 is keeping a running tally,

00:47:01.580 this all came out

00:47:02.080 around George Floyd,

00:47:02.960 in those 12

00:47:03.880 of the so-called

00:47:04.580 unarmed black men

00:47:05.720 who were killed by police,

00:47:07.220 shot by police,

00:47:08.060 they included

00:47:10.940 as unarmed

00:47:12.280 guys who were

00:47:13.720 driving cars

00:47:14.780 at police,

00:47:17.100 guys who had

00:47:17.940 a loaded firearm

00:47:19.320 but it was in the glove box

00:47:20.640 of a car

00:47:21.660 that they were

00:47:22.140 behind the wheel of.

00:47:23.060 I mean, like,

00:47:23.920 they bent over backwards

00:47:24.980 to find a way

00:47:25.600 of calling them unarmed

00:47:26.700 when I think any cop

00:47:27.780 would consider somebody,

00:47:29.240 look what happened

00:47:29.940 with Renee Good,

00:47:30.740 driving the car at them

00:47:31.960 as armed

00:47:32.860 with a dangerous

00:47:33.440 instrumentality.

00:47:34.220 I have something

00:47:35.180 great to show you.

00:47:37.220 This is video

00:47:38.000 of Ms. Allen's arrest.

00:47:40.420 The other gal here

00:47:41.320 that I mentioned,

00:47:42.280 Chantel,

00:47:43.140 she's now in custody.

00:47:44.420 Look at this.

00:47:44.960 Okay, she's here.

00:47:46.820 She's getting out

00:47:47.320 of a silver SUV

00:47:48.440 with law enforcement

00:47:49.260 taking her out.

00:47:50.720 Yeah, she's got

00:47:51.440 a polo sweatshirt on.

00:47:54.260 She's got her hands

00:47:55.340 in cuffs.

00:47:56.140 She's wiggling.

00:47:56.920 Oh, it's uncomfortable,

00:47:57.900 is it?

00:47:58.360 Oh, poor thing.

00:47:59.540 Yeah.

00:48:00.200 But you know what?

00:48:00.980 That's the purpose

00:48:01.660 of protest,

00:48:02.400 to be uncomfortable.

00:48:03.880 She's got double cuffs.

00:48:05.660 Yeah, that's right.

00:48:06.360 Trauma.

00:48:06.940 You want a trauma?

00:48:08.180 You want a discomfort?

00:48:09.500 You got it.

00:48:10.660 They're putting a hat on her.

00:48:12.100 I guess it's her winter hat

00:48:13.660 and she's getting taken away.

00:48:16.140 She likes to walk

00:48:16.780 down the aisle so much.

00:48:17.840 She's going to walk

00:48:18.440 right down the aisle

00:48:19.280 into the jail cell

00:48:20.260 and it should be

00:48:21.260 a momentary thing

00:48:21.980 before we get her mugshot.

00:48:23.240 What's this picture

00:48:23.780 I'm seeing here

00:48:24.460 in the preview?

00:48:27.260 Let's see it.

00:48:28.480 Yeah, let's put it

00:48:28.980 on the board.

00:48:29.860 Yeah, it's her

00:48:30.280 with the cops.

00:48:31.360 Her with her polo sweatshirt.

00:48:33.100 And one that says

00:48:34.240 police,

00:48:35.040 Homeland Security

00:48:35.560 Investigations,

00:48:36.560 HSI,

00:48:37.860 on the back.

00:48:39.760 It's just wonderful

00:48:40.740 to see.

00:48:42.060 Why does she have

00:48:42.780 double cuffs on?

00:48:43.640 I think it's because

00:48:44.380 she's so large.

00:48:45.780 behind her back.

00:48:46.720 Not trying to be rude.

00:48:47.860 I just think that's what it is.

00:48:49.420 That's exactly what it is.

00:48:49.940 Which is nice of them.

00:48:51.240 Like, honestly,

00:48:52.020 it's nice of them

00:48:53.120 to even give her

00:48:54.060 a little bit more comfort

00:48:55.640 after she committed a crime.

00:48:57.740 But when discomfort

00:48:59.200 is the whole point,

00:49:00.500 Allie,

00:49:00.840 we know that

00:49:01.420 if you're a good person,

00:49:02.520 you will just subject

00:49:03.500 yourself to it.

00:49:04.880 Right, right.

00:49:05.860 Exactly.

00:49:06.340 Yeah, I'm glad

00:49:06.900 to see justice.

00:49:07.740 I do.

00:49:08.080 I don't know.

00:49:08.880 Maybe I'm a softie,

00:49:09.880 but I look at something

00:49:10.700 like that and I don't feel

00:49:11.880 bad for this person at all,

00:49:12.980 but you do have to wonder,

00:49:14.080 how did you get here?

00:49:16.300 Like, I think it was you

00:49:17.580 that asked the question

00:49:18.340 or I heard someone

00:49:19.000 ask the question

00:49:19.720 when Don Lemon,

00:49:21.020 you know,

00:49:21.220 10 years ago,

00:49:21.960 Don Lemon,

00:49:22.560 he's at the top of his game

00:49:23.840 when he envisioned

00:49:24.800 who he was going to be

00:49:26.060 10 years from now

00:49:27.140 and he saw himself

00:49:28.900 in this church

00:49:30.200 arguing with a pastor

00:49:31.520 about, like,

00:49:32.420 who needs to be traumatized.

00:49:33.780 Like, do you think

00:49:34.220 he would have been

00:49:34.700 proud of himself?

00:49:36.060 Yes.

00:49:36.240 Do you think he would have been like-

00:49:36.840 I never would have asked

00:49:37.620 that question.

00:49:38.200 That wasn't for me

00:49:38.920 because I would not

00:49:39.680 have attributed such goodness

00:49:40.760 to him 10 years ago.

00:49:41.880 Yeah, yes.

00:49:42.540 Yeah, maybe not.

00:49:44.120 Maybe not.

00:49:44.600 But it is a good question.

00:49:46.120 It just highlights

00:49:46.760 kind of how sad

00:49:47.920 your life has turned out

00:49:49.520 when that's who you are

00:49:50.440 and I think about this woman,

00:49:51.720 like,

00:49:52.100 what led her to thinking

00:49:53.340 this was fulfillment

00:49:54.200 or success

00:49:54.880 or justice

00:49:55.520 or, like,

00:49:56.740 power

00:49:57.180 or whatever it is

00:49:58.240 and now you're just,

00:49:59.500 you know,

00:49:59.980 a sad criminal

00:50:00.720 and, yeah,

00:50:02.280 people need different hobbies

00:50:03.600 at the very least.

00:50:04.940 Yeah.

00:50:05.320 And, I mean,

00:50:05.880 Don Lemon,

00:50:06.540 he wants to fall on

00:50:07.920 the sort of shield

00:50:09.480 of journalism.

00:50:10.640 As a journalist,

00:50:11.220 you know very well

00:50:12.220 that when you're talking

00:50:12.760 about private property,

00:50:13.680 you need to be very careful.

00:50:15.740 That is why you see

00:50:16.640 journalists all the time

00:50:17.660 saying,

00:50:18.360 I'm on the sidewalk,

00:50:19.280 I'm on the public sidewalk

00:50:20.200 because they know

00:50:21.320 there are certain places

00:50:22.220 they cannot go.

00:50:23.040 That's why we went

00:50:23.960 to the Vatican

00:50:24.480 on a family vacation

00:50:26.560 a couple years ago.

00:50:28.880 Shockingly,

00:50:29.360 there are parts of the Vatican

00:50:30.180 that are not open

00:50:30.960 to tourists.

00:50:31.920 I couldn't say,

00:50:32.580 I'm a journalist,

00:50:33.460 I'm covering what's in there

00:50:34.680 and just walk right in.

00:50:35.860 No,

00:50:36.380 I would get in trouble

00:50:37.240 and Don Lemon

00:50:38.300 is subjected

00:50:38.800 to all the same laws.

00:50:40.040 The laws don't magically

00:50:41.420 disappear to you,

00:50:43.180 whether it's the FACE Act,

00:50:44.800 the Klan law,

00:50:46.000 or trespass

00:50:46.800 because you say

00:50:47.720 you're a journalist

00:50:48.480 and he's about to

00:50:49.720 find that out

00:50:50.580 the hard way.

00:50:52.320 Allie Beth Stuckey,

00:50:53.100 you're the best.

00:50:53.680 It's been too long.

00:50:54.620 Love talking to you.

00:50:55.340 Thank you, Megan.

00:50:55.660 Thanks for being here.

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00:52:50.840 There is breaking news

00:52:52.800 happening right now

00:52:54.680 that is infuriating.

00:53:00.000 A Minnesota...

00:53:02.080 This is...

00:53:02.960 Hold on a second.

00:53:03.520 I want to make sure

00:53:04.080 I source it.

00:53:05.860 Jennifer Jacobs,

00:53:06.900 CBS News,

00:53:07.760 senior White House

00:53:08.420 correspondent.

00:53:09.460 A Minnesota

00:53:10.120 federal magistrate judge

00:53:11.880 has refused to sign

00:53:14.940 a complaint

00:53:15.480 bringing charges...

00:53:16.340 I think they mean

00:53:16.800 a warrant...

00:53:17.540 bringing charges

00:53:18.240 against Don Lemon

00:53:19.080 in connection

00:53:20.360 with the church protest

00:53:21.300 on Sunday,

00:53:22.020 sources tell CBS.

00:53:27.020 Attorney General

00:53:27.780 Pam Bondi

00:53:28.300 is upset

00:53:28.860 with the decision.

00:53:29.880 According to one source,

00:53:30.780 a different source stressed,

00:53:32.120 the process is not over.

00:53:33.660 The Justice Department

00:53:34.420 could find other avenues

00:53:35.400 to charge him.

00:53:36.920 He attended the protest

00:53:38.080 and so on.

00:53:39.560 This is just...

00:53:42.120 I mean, it's...

00:53:44.160 Are we shocked?

00:53:45.580 I'm not shocked.

00:53:47.020 Not shocked.

00:53:48.280 Not at all.

00:53:50.360 I mean, judges

00:53:50.880 virtually always

00:53:52.400 sign off on these

00:53:53.280 arrest warrants.

00:53:54.040 Almost always.

00:53:55.340 This feels political.

00:53:58.280 We're going to find out

00:53:59.660 who the federal district

00:54:00.580 magistrate judge was.

00:54:02.060 The magistrate judge

00:54:02.680 sits right underneath

00:54:03.380 the district court judge.

00:54:04.600 You know,

00:54:04.800 these lifetime appointments

00:54:05.620 apply to the district

00:54:06.480 court judges,

00:54:07.020 but they get these

00:54:07.780 magistrate judges

00:54:08.500 underneath them

00:54:09.360 and in my experience,

00:54:10.520 practicing before

00:54:11.120 a federal district court

00:54:12.520 means you deal

00:54:13.520 with the magistrate judge

00:54:14.260 on the procedural stuff,

00:54:16.020 on discovery.

00:54:17.220 They don't try the cases.

00:54:18.900 They don't issue

00:54:19.420 the big rulings.

00:54:20.720 They settle petty

00:54:22.800 any disputes

00:54:23.660 between the parties

00:54:24.360 and so on.

00:54:24.860 It's definitely

00:54:25.120 a lesser important judge

00:54:26.340 but apparently

00:54:27.620 you can get

00:54:28.160 an arrest warrant

00:54:28.820 signed off on

00:54:29.480 by them as well.

00:54:30.600 I've never practiced

00:54:31.240 criminal law

00:54:31.760 and this one

00:54:33.140 has refused to do it.

00:54:34.120 We'll see.

00:54:36.920 We're going to see

00:54:37.460 about that.

00:54:38.420 We're going to have

00:54:38.920 Phil Houston get on the line

00:54:39.820 in a minute

00:54:40.140 who was not only

00:54:41.560 once a cop

00:54:42.120 but as you know

00:54:42.780 is a very successful lawyer

00:54:44.520 and has practiced

00:54:46.220 a lot of criminal defense

00:54:47.040 so we'll ask him

00:54:48.060 what he thinks about this

00:54:49.120 in one second

00:54:49.740 but we have two women

00:54:51.420 under arrest right now.

00:54:52.940 They tried to get

00:54:54.100 an arrest warrant

00:54:54.900 signed for Don Lemon

00:54:56.340 and the federal district

00:54:58.120 magistrate judge refused

00:54:59.700 so what will happen next?

00:55:01.560 All right,

00:55:01.740 we're joined right now

00:55:02.560 by a first-time guest

00:55:03.400 of the program

00:55:03.940 a person I think

00:55:04.840 you're going to enjoy.

00:55:05.660 His name is Rob Henderson

00:55:06.920 and he has an incredible story

00:55:08.720 from his childhood

00:55:09.740 in and out of seven foster homes

00:55:11.240 to his service

00:55:12.040 in the Air Force

00:55:13.180 to being educated

00:55:14.480 notwithstanding the fact

00:55:15.340 that he graduated

00:55:16.400 high school

00:55:16.860 with like a 2.2

00:55:18.140 wound up at

00:55:19.860 top universities

00:55:20.620 Yale and Cambridge.

00:55:22.220 He has seen

00:55:22.720 all sides of our country's

00:55:23.760 culture and society

00:55:24.520 and given his background

00:55:25.340 he has thoughts

00:55:25.960 on the arrests

00:55:26.440 we saw in Minnesota

00:55:27.840 this morning

00:55:28.480 and the left's

00:55:29.600 anti-ice activism.

00:55:31.660 Rob Henderson

00:55:32.300 is a best-selling author

00:55:33.500 and a senior fellow

00:55:34.340 at the Manhattan Institute.

00:55:35.800 Rob, welcome to the show.

00:55:37.840 Hey, thank you, Megan.

00:55:39.180 It's great to be here.

00:55:40.320 Yeah, it's great to have you.

00:55:41.560 So, just let me ask you

00:55:43.280 for your layman's opinion.

00:55:45.160 You're not a lawyer

00:55:46.040 as far as I know

00:55:46.820 in addition to all

00:55:47.800 those other accomplishments

00:55:48.580 on this federal district

00:55:50.340 magistrate judge

00:55:51.340 refusing to sign

00:55:53.240 an arrest warrant

00:55:54.140 for Don Lemon

00:55:54.880 notwithstanding

00:55:55.540 it being a totally

00:55:56.460 one-sided procedure.

00:55:57.600 You know, there's no defense

00:55:58.340 lawyer who goes in there

00:55:59.140 this is the DOJ

00:56:01.440 saying

00:56:01.940 here are the federal statutes

00:56:03.700 here is how he violated them

00:56:05.120 please sign this.

00:56:07.120 Hmm.

00:56:07.820 Yeah, well

00:56:08.460 I was reading about

00:56:09.760 what happened

00:56:10.420 with the storming

00:56:11.200 of the church

00:56:11.740 and the first thing

00:56:12.480 that came to mind

00:56:13.300 was that

00:56:14.420 these protesters

00:56:15.320 were willing to interfere

00:56:16.620 with the rights

00:56:18.660 of citizens

00:56:19.380 to worship peacefully

00:56:20.760 in order to

00:56:22.460 protect the interests

00:56:23.600 of non-citizens

00:56:24.600 so it really just shows you

00:56:25.700 where their priorities are.

00:56:27.100 they seem to care more

00:56:28.740 about illegal immigrants

00:56:30.560 than about

00:56:31.260 you know

00:56:31.880 citizens

00:56:32.240 and their right

00:56:33.180 to engage

00:56:34.240 in peaceful worship

00:56:35.140 and you know

00:56:36.880 I think there's a reason

00:56:37.960 they chose a church

00:56:39.320 it seems to me

00:56:40.220 that they believe

00:56:41.560 it would be a safe target.

00:56:43.560 I saw some

00:56:45.400 commentary on this

00:56:46.460 that this shows

00:56:46.980 that they will go

00:56:47.420 to any lengths

00:56:48.140 to advance their

00:56:49.080 political cause

00:56:50.220 their preferences

00:56:51.400 but I don't think

00:56:52.840 that's true.

00:56:54.120 I doubt

00:56:55.020 that those same

00:56:56.040 protesters

00:56:57.020 would be willing

00:56:57.680 to storm

00:56:58.320 a mosque

00:56:59.180 for example.

00:57:01.380 Oh yeah

00:57:02.140 or an NRA convention

00:57:03.540 speaking of the mosque

00:57:05.660 right

00:57:06.320 I'd love to see

00:57:07.420 them try that there

00:57:08.140 or even just

00:57:09.280 a convention

00:57:10.260 of like

00:57:10.860 you know

00:57:12.320 turning point

00:57:13.160 like you'd have

00:57:13.900 a lot more

00:57:14.480 loud mouths

00:57:15.340 like yours truly

00:57:16.320 and you

00:57:17.160 at the Manhattan Institute

00:57:18.040 standing up

00:57:18.700 to say

00:57:18.960 get out of here

00:57:20.140 get out

00:57:21.060 right now

00:57:21.920 I mean

00:57:22.260 it's just

00:57:22.740 these are sweet

00:57:23.880 nice

00:57:24.780 midwesterners

00:57:26.340 christians

00:57:27.400 at a baptist service

00:57:28.660 just trying

00:57:29.320 to worship

00:57:30.060 but look

00:57:30.940 to your point

00:57:31.660 I meant to get to this

00:57:32.880 with Ali Beth

00:57:33.340 and I didn't

00:57:34.560 to your point

00:57:35.380 that the main

00:57:36.180 agitator

00:57:36.900 I mean

00:57:37.320 the main agitator

00:57:38.300 is under arrest

00:57:38.960 but the loudest

00:57:40.560 is this William Kelly

00:57:41.540 who 100%

00:57:42.680 is about to get arrested

00:57:44.100 zero doubt in my mind

00:57:45.400 he might already be in custody

00:57:46.920 maybe we'll hear about that

00:57:48.060 momentarily

00:57:48.540 but that same day

00:57:50.740 he went to the church

00:57:52.440 and did what he did

00:57:53.620 in the faces

00:57:54.100 of those innocents

00:57:54.980 he went to a mosque

00:57:56.740 and we have

00:57:58.200 tape of it

00:57:58.880 because he posted it

00:57:59.600 on his socials

00:58:00.280 look at this

00:58:00.740 in Sat 9

00:58:01.420 so we've been invited

00:58:04.480 to the local

00:58:05.200 Somali mosque

00:58:06.260 and as you can see

00:58:07.080 how beautiful it is

00:58:08.000 this is where they do

00:58:08.740 their prayer

00:58:09.260 this is where normally

00:58:10.580 500 people

00:58:11.920 will you know

00:58:13.040 come and make prayer

00:58:14.020 but things are quiet

00:58:15.080 because the local community

00:58:16.340 is scared to come out

00:58:18.000 they're terrified

00:58:18.720 it was an honor

00:58:19.940 to be invited

00:58:20.600 to this mosque

00:58:21.380 but it was surreal

00:58:22.260 to be there

00:58:23.060 and it made me feel good

00:58:24.460 about my actions

00:58:25.420 in that white supremacist

00:58:26.920 church earlier

00:58:27.800 how can these people

00:58:29.440 be not afraid

00:58:31.080 to go out of their homes

00:58:32.100 afraid to go

00:58:33.040 practice their prayer

00:58:34.380 while these rich

00:58:35.800 white people

00:58:36.620 can live like

00:58:37.500 nothing's happening

00:58:38.320 and ignore it completely

00:58:39.840 it's unjust

00:58:41.260 it's un-American

00:58:42.060 what is freedom

00:58:43.840 if it only applies

00:58:45.120 to white people

00:58:45.900 okay Rob

00:58:47.560 to your point

00:58:48.860 yeah

00:58:49.560 yeah that was

00:58:50.780 that was too perfect

00:58:51.960 I mean it had

00:58:53.700 all of the ingredients

00:58:54.440 there

00:58:54.940 you had you know

00:58:55.640 the white person

00:58:56.640 self-flagellating

00:58:58.280 and targeting

00:58:58.780 other white people

00:58:59.760 you know

00:59:01.340 wealthy white people

00:59:02.560 but you know

00:59:03.340 I don't think anyone

00:59:04.320 would be surprised

00:59:04.960 if you dug into

00:59:05.640 this guy's background

00:59:06.500 and discovered

00:59:07.080 that he himself

00:59:07.780 comes from

00:59:08.460 a relatively affluent

00:59:09.860 family

00:59:10.600 this is a consistent

00:59:11.860 pattern you see

00:59:12.640 when you look at

00:59:13.240 the studies

00:59:14.400 and the survey data

00:59:15.360 on who participates

00:59:16.540 in protests

00:59:17.700 left-wing political

00:59:18.840 activism

00:59:19.380 they are disproportionately

00:59:20.900 likely to have

00:59:22.000 graduate degrees

00:59:23.720 come from

00:59:24.480 selective universities

00:59:25.520 I think they're

00:59:27.480 three times more likely

00:59:28.400 than the average citizen

00:59:29.320 to earn more than

00:59:30.180 $100,000 a year

00:59:31.460 and you know

00:59:33.100 it makes sense

00:59:33.600 because if you are

00:59:34.320 a working class

00:59:34.980 or blue-collar person

00:59:35.820 you don't really have time

00:59:37.140 you're trying to make ends meet

00:59:38.140 and pay the bills

00:59:38.800 you don't have time

00:59:39.420 to participate in this

00:59:40.420 you know

00:59:41.200 this kind of exhibitionism

00:59:42.740 only once you have

00:59:44.320 reached a certain level

00:59:45.180 of material comfort

00:59:46.220 can you start to

00:59:47.280 interfere with the rights

00:59:48.300 of others

00:59:48.700 or to kind of

00:59:49.980 showboat on social media

00:59:51.100 about how much

00:59:51.720 you care about

00:59:52.560 you know

00:59:53.420 people who

00:59:54.420 you know

00:59:55.560 like non-white people

00:59:56.660 or marginalized people

00:59:57.880 I got money

00:59:59.640 that his dad's a dentist

01:00:00.700 and his mom's

01:00:01.580 some sort of counselor

01:00:02.360 that's

01:00:03.040 I'm gonna put my bet

01:00:03.960 out there early

01:00:04.680 we're gonna find out

01:00:05.820 soon enough

01:00:06.320 then you mentioned

01:00:07.240 about how they're

01:00:08.260 all out there

01:00:08.900 to condemn

01:00:10.340 U.S. citizens

01:00:11.380 and harass

01:00:12.220 and threaten

01:00:13.280 and traumatize

01:00:15.220 to use Don Lemon's word

01:00:16.600 he endorsed it

01:00:17.500 U.S. citizens

01:00:18.720 to protect

01:00:19.540 non-citizens

01:00:20.680 and not just

01:00:21.600 non-citizens

01:00:22.360 but non-citizen

01:00:23.940 criminals

01:00:25.180 like

01:00:25.760 the worst

01:00:26.860 of the worst

01:00:27.900 Greg Bovino

01:00:29.060 who's the head

01:00:30.420 of the Border Patrol

01:00:31.080 he actually shared

01:00:32.300 some of

01:00:33.180 who they have

01:00:34.740 arrested

01:00:35.160 in Minneapolis

01:00:36.000 in the past

01:00:37.140 you know

01:00:37.420 couple weeks

01:00:38.020 and look at this

01:00:39.160 it's not getting

01:00:39.820 any coverage

01:00:40.280 of course

01:00:40.660 because the left

01:00:41.180 doesn't want to

01:00:41.600 talk about this

01:00:42.120 but look at

01:00:42.540 SOT 53

01:00:43.060 we've got

01:00:45.840 a criminal

01:00:48.340 illegal alien

01:00:49.240 from Laos

01:00:49.920 a registered

01:00:50.520 sex offender

01:00:51.320 convicted of

01:00:52.400 sex offense

01:00:53.380 against a child

01:00:55.000 including fondling

01:00:56.200 and failure

01:00:56.900 to register

01:00:58.000 as a sex offender

01:00:59.320 this individual

01:01:00.020 was walking

01:01:00.660 the streets

01:01:01.360 of Minneapolis

01:01:03.040 just yesterday

01:01:04.240 this individual

01:01:05.260 right here

01:01:05.880 let's continue

01:01:06.780 here we've got

01:01:07.280 Samuel

01:01:07.840 Arabello Hernandez

01:01:09.360 a criminal

01:01:10.020 illegal alien

01:01:10.780 from Guatemala

01:01:11.560 charged with

01:01:13.160 rape

01:01:13.580 and lewd

01:01:14.780 or lascivious

01:01:15.680 acts

01:01:16.260 with a minor

01:01:16.860 now think about

01:01:18.200 that for just

01:01:18.740 a second

01:01:19.240 rape

01:01:20.020 and then on top

01:01:21.160 of that

01:01:21.440 lewd and lascivious

01:01:22.200 acts with a minor

01:01:23.020 this individual

01:01:23.500 was walking

01:01:23.920 the streets

01:01:24.380 of Minneapolis

01:01:25.020 with impunity

01:01:26.340 just yesterday

01:01:27.580 we've got

01:01:28.580 Annabelle Gomez

01:01:30.220 a criminal

01:01:30.900 illegal alien

01:01:31.780 from Honduras

01:01:32.640 previously arrested

01:01:33.800 for criminal

01:01:34.420 sexual conduct

01:01:35.580 and domestic

01:01:36.460 assault

01:01:36.880 other convictions

01:01:38.260 include disorderly

01:01:39.260 conduct

01:01:39.680 and driving

01:01:40.340 under the influence

01:01:41.540 of liquor

01:01:42.580 walk in the streets

01:01:44.300 as of yesterday

01:01:45.300 these are just

01:01:46.340 three

01:01:46.800 three that I

01:01:48.300 decided to print out

01:01:49.280 a whole stack

01:01:50.100 of them

01:01:50.660 that I mean

01:01:53.180 that that's who

01:01:54.480 they're protesting

01:01:55.040 to save

01:01:55.500 that's who

01:01:55.960 they're trying

01:01:56.280 to alert

01:01:56.860 that ICE

01:01:57.740 is about

01:01:58.140 to get them

01:01:58.860 like honestly

01:01:59.900 I it's

01:02:00.800 it's a mental

01:02:01.480 illness

01:02:01.940 that would

01:02:02.460 make you

01:02:02.900 look at

01:02:03.360 your

01:02:03.640 adorable

01:02:05.100 sweet

01:02:05.780 innocent

01:02:06.180 children

01:02:06.620 and say

01:02:07.200 what

01:02:08.160 what can

01:02:08.720 I do

01:02:09.120 to make

01:02:09.700 child

01:02:10.420 molesters

01:02:10.860 more plentiful

01:02:11.700 in my

01:02:12.120 community

01:02:12.540 a lot

01:02:15.500 of these

01:02:15.800 demonstrators

01:02:16.420 and protesters

01:02:17.100 also seem

01:02:17.780 to play

01:02:18.140 this game

01:02:18.820 where

01:02:19.400 they will

01:02:20.500 highlight

01:02:21.140 you know

01:02:21.880 oh

01:02:22.180 children

01:02:23.200 or women

01:02:24.420 or you know

01:02:25.360 people who

01:02:26.140 are innocent

01:02:28.160 but then

01:02:29.260 they are more

01:02:29.880 than willing

01:02:30.240 to come out

01:02:31.020 in support

01:02:31.760 of people

01:02:32.560 criminals

01:02:34.180 people who

01:02:34.980 are breaking

01:02:35.340 the law

01:02:35.860 and I

01:02:37.240 think

01:02:37.560 there's

01:02:37.800 probably

01:02:38.140 this fear

01:02:38.820 that if

01:02:39.420 they give

01:02:39.760 in on

01:02:40.340 the idea

01:02:40.760 that criminal

01:02:41.520 illegal immigrants

01:02:42.920 should be

01:02:43.600 deported

01:02:44.120 then the

01:02:45.260 next step

01:02:45.780 will be

01:02:46.380 you know

01:02:47.180 widespread

01:02:48.280 deportation

01:02:49.060 so they feel

01:02:49.520 like they have

01:02:49.940 to sort of

01:02:50.300 hold the line

01:02:50.980 for criminal

01:02:51.740 immigrants

01:02:52.280 because once

01:02:53.440 they cede

01:02:53.800 that point

01:02:54.420 which they

01:02:55.120 would

01:02:55.300 you know

01:02:55.540 they're going

01:02:55.960 to lose

01:02:56.300 on

01:02:56.620 you know

01:02:57.180 the vast

01:02:57.440 majority

01:02:57.720 of Americans

01:02:58.160 want criminal

01:02:59.560 illegal immigrants

01:03:00.300 to be deported

01:03:00.980 then they fear

01:03:02.660 okay well

01:03:03.040 then they're

01:03:03.300 going to go

01:03:03.740 for everyone

01:03:04.240 else

01:03:04.640 but you know

01:03:05.500 there's a kind

01:03:06.020 of a subversive

01:03:06.600 element to

01:03:07.380 to a lot

01:03:07.860 of these

01:03:08.060 protesters

01:03:08.560 where they

01:03:09.140 I think they

01:03:09.840 really do

01:03:10.280 have contempt

01:03:11.940 for ordinary

01:03:13.040 citizens

01:03:13.540 the people

01:03:14.120 who go to

01:03:14.580 work every

01:03:14.960 day

01:03:15.160 people who

01:03:15.660 worship

01:03:15.940 peacefully

01:03:16.440 who think

01:03:17.860 that people

01:03:18.220 should obey

01:03:18.600 the law

01:03:19.080 but a lot

01:03:19.820 of these

01:03:20.280 activists

01:03:20.960 believe that

01:03:21.780 you know

01:03:22.000 the law

01:03:22.320 itself

01:03:22.780 is

01:03:23.520 emblematic

01:03:24.800 of you know

01:03:25.900 white supremacy

01:03:26.520 or oppression

01:03:27.320 or colonialism

01:03:28.740 I mean

01:03:29.660 they've been

01:03:30.060 sort of

01:03:30.400 brainwashed

01:03:31.040 and conditioned

01:03:31.520 to believe

01:03:32.100 this

01:03:32.460 and you know

01:03:33.660 they get a lot

01:03:34.600 of excitement

01:03:35.340 and pleasure

01:03:35.960 from I think

01:03:37.260 provoking people

01:03:38.320 like those

01:03:39.680 peaceful people

01:03:41.340 in the church

01:03:41.820 I wonder if

01:03:43.100 they're going

01:03:43.300 to get a lot

01:03:43.760 of excitement

01:03:44.200 and pleasure

01:03:44.880 out of their

01:03:46.040 mug shots

01:03:46.560 and sitting

01:03:47.220 in the local

01:03:48.040 jail

01:03:48.400 because that's

01:03:49.700 where two

01:03:50.100 of them are

01:03:50.580 right now

01:03:51.160 we'll see

01:03:51.840 what happens

01:03:52.260 with Don Lemon

01:03:52.860 William Jacobson

01:03:54.560 sorry

01:03:55.480 William Jacobson

01:03:56.500 is a great

01:03:56.820 lawyer

01:03:57.020 William Kelly

01:03:58.860 I'm in denial

01:04:00.580 about my own

01:04:01.220 last name

01:04:01.700 no relation

01:04:02.400 I hope

01:04:02.800 he's going

01:04:04.100 to have

01:04:04.260 a different

01:04:04.520 experience

01:04:04.920 entirely

01:04:05.280 so we've

01:04:06.040 got several

01:04:06.900 several

01:04:07.600 examples

01:04:08.500 in the news

01:04:09.060 we just

01:04:09.360 haven't been

01:04:09.600 able to

01:04:09.800 get to

01:04:10.020 them

01:04:10.200 of school

01:04:11.220 indoctrination

01:04:11.960 happening

01:04:12.760 along these

01:04:13.220 lines Rob

01:04:13.620 because all

01:04:14.500 these woke

01:04:14.980 teachers

01:04:15.440 are dying

01:04:16.840 to weigh

01:04:17.340 in on

01:04:17.880 the ICE

01:04:18.180 protests

01:04:18.660 which is

01:04:19.300 just

01:04:19.560 completely

01:04:20.120 inappropriate

01:04:20.600 unless you're

01:04:21.140 going to

01:04:21.460 present it

01:04:21.980 like with

01:04:23.380 fulsome

01:04:24.080 examination

01:04:24.980 of both

01:04:25.360 sides

01:04:25.620 really

01:04:26.460 representing

01:04:27.000 the one

01:04:27.640 side

01:04:27.780 says this

01:04:28.180 and the

01:04:28.480 other

01:04:28.600 side

01:04:28.780 says that

01:04:29.220 but that's

01:04:29.860 not how

01:04:30.500 they do

01:04:30.780 it as

01:04:31.180 you well

01:04:31.720 know

01:04:31.980 there is

01:04:33.900 a teacher

01:04:34.320 in Texas

01:04:35.080 who is

01:04:35.700 caught on

01:04:36.080 tape

01:04:36.300 Texas

01:04:36.700 Christian

01:04:37.400 Shearhood

01:04:38.380 caught on

01:04:39.580 tape giving

01:04:39.980 the following

01:04:40.360 lesson to

01:04:41.540 that person's

01:04:42.400 students on

01:04:43.220 ICE

01:04:43.580 listen here

01:04:44.140 slot 55

01:04:44.940 is ICE

01:04:46.640 above the

01:04:47.180 law

01:04:47.500 no

01:04:48.040 no

01:04:49.340 no

01:04:50.000 one is

01:04:50.540 above

01:04:50.800 the

01:04:51.000 law

01:04:51.240 and if

01:04:51.460 they

01:04:51.580 break

01:04:52.000 it

01:04:52.120 they

01:04:52.260 should

01:04:52.400 be

01:04:52.520 held

01:04:52.780 accountable

01:04:53.240 just like

01:04:54.000 any of

01:04:54.580 y'all

01:04:54.900 right

01:04:55.360 can ICE

01:04:57.580 lie to

01:04:58.260 you

01:04:58.600 yes

01:04:59.100 yes

01:05:00.380 yes

01:05:01.160 yes they

01:05:01.880 can and

01:05:02.280 they absolutely

01:05:03.240 will

01:05:03.680 they'll also

01:05:04.240 try and bait

01:05:05.040 you into

01:05:05.460 saying or

01:05:06.140 doing something

01:05:06.960 that'll get

01:05:07.640 you in

01:05:07.880 trouble

01:05:08.140 don't take

01:05:09.160 the bait

01:05:09.780 can ICE

01:05:10.580 profile you

01:05:11.660 yes

01:05:13.300 yes

01:05:14.380 yes

01:05:15.140 yes

01:05:15.360 yes they

01:05:16.380 can

01:05:16.820 ICE can

01:05:18.280 judge and

01:05:19.200 target you

01:05:19.840 based off the

01:05:20.440 color of your

01:05:21.140 skin

01:05:21.520 the language

01:05:22.400 that you

01:05:22.840 speak or

01:05:23.340 the job

01:05:23.780 that you

01:05:24.080 work

01:05:24.340 these are

01:05:25.100 your rights

01:05:25.600 do not

01:05:26.240 open the

01:05:26.780 door

01:05:27.160 stranger

01:05:27.760 danger

01:05:28.200 101

01:05:28.680 don't answer

01:05:29.840 any questions

01:05:30.880 can I hear

01:05:31.400 y'all say

01:05:31.860 I want

01:05:32.600 my lawyer

01:05:33.320 I want

01:05:34.380 my lawyer

01:05:35.380 yes

01:05:36.140 what the

01:05:38.020 hell is

01:05:38.460 this

01:05:38.840 Rob

01:05:39.200 hmm

01:05:40.460 I

01:05:41.540 well it

01:05:42.160 looks like

01:05:42.720 a kind

01:05:43.200 of standard

01:05:43.640 teach-in or

01:05:44.220 workshop

01:05:44.600 that left-wing

01:05:46.040 activists

01:05:46.680 organize

01:05:47.180 in order

01:05:48.500 to

01:05:49.180 you know

01:05:50.700 advance

01:05:51.020 their

01:05:51.380 preferences

01:05:51.880 and you

01:05:52.980 know cause

01:05:53.300 agitation

01:05:53.860 subvert

01:05:54.840 undermine

01:05:55.360 and you

01:05:57.260 know I

01:05:57.460 saw some

01:05:58.040 of this

01:05:58.460 when I

01:05:58.740 was in

01:05:58.980 college

01:05:59.520 and a

01:06:00.300 little bit

01:06:00.620 later

01:06:00.800 in

01:06:01.240 Cambridge

01:06:01.560 yes

01:06:03.100 yeah

01:06:04.040 and

01:06:04.680 and so

01:06:06.060 you know

01:06:06.400 they

01:06:06.540 they organize

01:06:07.180 these

01:06:07.680 and you

01:06:09.240 know very

01:06:09.600 very

01:06:10.000 carefully

01:06:11.500 and strategically

01:06:12.180 find ways

01:06:13.360 to

01:06:14.100 you know

01:06:15.800 deal with

01:06:16.540 the law

01:06:17.020 deal with

01:06:17.380 the police

01:06:17.920 deal with

01:06:18.580 the legal

01:06:18.860 system

01:06:19.240 and you

01:06:20.600 know I

01:06:20.720 remember being

01:06:21.160 shocked when

01:06:21.620 I was in

01:06:21.940 college

01:06:22.480 you know

01:06:23.500 learning of

01:06:24.440 these for

01:06:25.140 example

01:06:25.440 these

01:06:26.020 whatsapp

01:06:26.640 groups

01:06:27.060 or you

01:06:27.620 know these

01:06:27.860 chat rooms

01:06:28.940 group chats

01:06:30.560 with dozens

01:06:31.680 of people

01:06:32.240 40 50 plus

01:06:33.160 people in

01:06:33.660 them

01:06:33.920 and essentially

01:06:35.160 they could

01:06:35.700 sort of alert

01:06:36.400 the rest of

01:06:36.980 the members

01:06:37.360 in the group

01:06:37.780 chat of hey

01:06:38.400 there's a

01:06:38.940 there's a

01:06:39.240 protest for

01:06:40.240 you know

01:06:40.880 climate change

01:06:41.740 or for LGBT

01:06:42.420 or whatever

01:06:42.920 you know

01:06:43.340 whatever the

01:06:43.760 cause of that

01:06:44.420 week was

01:06:45.120 and they

01:06:45.760 would just

01:06:46.100 send the

01:06:46.360 address and

01:06:46.800 the time

01:06:47.180 and they

01:06:47.400 could have

01:06:47.680 40 or 50

01:06:48.200 people show

01:06:48.760 up at

01:06:49.760 any location

01:06:50.480 within an

01:06:51.140 hour's notice

01:06:51.900 so you know

01:06:53.460 and I think

01:06:53.960 people underestimate

01:06:54.640 just how

01:06:55.280 organized and

01:06:55.860 effective it is

01:06:56.360 when you look

01:06:57.120 at images

01:06:57.900 in the media

01:06:58.240 it often

01:06:58.580 looks spontaneous

01:06:59.380 or it looks

01:07:00.260 disorganized

01:07:01.080 or chaotic

01:07:01.680 but often

01:07:02.440 behind the scenes

01:07:03.160 these things

01:07:03.600 have been

01:07:04.420 very well planned

01:07:05.420 often for

01:07:06.620 years or decades

01:07:07.540 accident all

01:07:08.480 these BLMers

01:07:09.380 showed up at

01:07:09.980 that church

01:07:10.460 they knew the

01:07:11.300 drill

01:07:11.460 you know

01:07:12.040 I'm sure

01:07:12.800 half of them

01:07:13.240 were like

01:07:13.620 this isn't

01:07:14.500 about black

01:07:14.900 people

01:07:15.200 what is it

01:07:15.740 the immigrants

01:07:16.760 what why

01:07:17.800 what am I

01:07:18.380 doing here

01:07:18.780 right like

01:07:19.140 they don't

01:07:19.420 know they

01:07:19.760 just do

01:07:20.160 follow their

01:07:20.600 marching orders

01:07:21.320 this just

01:07:23.180 in we've been

01:07:23.620 talking about

01:07:23.940 this William

01:07:24.380 Kelly he's

01:07:25.460 going to be

01:07:25.980 arrested you

01:07:26.480 heard it here

01:07:26.980 he has

01:07:28.520 thoughts on

01:07:29.580 Nakima

01:07:30.260 Armstrong's

01:07:31.120 arrest she

01:07:31.660 was the

01:07:32.040 ringleader she

01:07:32.740 was taken

01:07:33.220 into custody

01:07:33.680 first this

01:07:34.200 morning here

01:07:35.200 it is take

01:07:35.740 a listen

01:07:36.040 they've just

01:07:38.260 arrested

01:07:38.800 Nakima

01:07:39.380 Armstrong

01:07:39.940 for our

01:07:40.760 protest on

01:07:41.660 Sunday

01:07:42.160 you know my

01:07:43.400 lawyers tell me

01:07:44.100 they have no

01:07:44.700 fucking case

01:07:45.480 this use of the

01:07:46.180 FACE Act and

01:07:46.900 the KKK Act

01:07:47.880 is complete

01:07:48.420 bullshit but

01:07:49.000 let's be honest

01:07:49.600 they don't

01:07:50.220 fucking care

01:07:51.100 they don't

01:07:51.780 believe in the

01:07:52.460 rule of law

01:07:52.980 they're fascists

01:07:54.080 they're now

01:07:54.760 going after

01:07:55.560 fucking the

01:07:56.660 Clintons for

01:07:57.620 the Epstein

01:07:58.300 files

01:07:58.840 what the

01:08:00.060 fuck

01:08:00.720 god damn

01:08:02.060 it people

01:08:02.580 when will you

01:08:03.620 stop fucking

01:08:04.740 acting like

01:08:05.380 everything's

01:08:05.940 normal and

01:08:06.420 going about

01:08:07.040 your fucking

01:08:07.660 days get

01:08:08.940 in the

01:08:09.340 fucking

01:08:09.740 streets now

01:08:10.700 it's time

01:08:11.200 to shut

01:08:11.720 this country

01:08:12.440 down we

01:08:13.580 are at

01:08:14.100 fascism the

01:08:15.140 republic has

01:08:15.980 fucking fallen

01:08:16.940 please Americans

01:08:18.300 please stand

01:08:19.640 up for

01:08:20.060 something do

01:08:20.960 not be the

01:08:21.660 same as

01:08:22.120 those in

01:08:22.640 1930s Germany

01:08:24.000 because right

01:08:24.920 now that's

01:08:25.420 exactly what

01:08:26.120 you're all

01:08:26.480 fucking doing

01:08:27.360 please wake

01:08:28.640 the fuck

01:08:29.080 up so

01:08:30.720 to your

01:08:31.280 point Rob

01:08:32.600 my lawyers

01:08:33.640 like this

01:08:34.860 crazed loony

01:08:35.920 he probably

01:08:36.860 does have a

01:08:37.440 team of

01:08:37.780 lawyers paid

01:08:38.340 for again

01:08:38.960 in my

01:08:39.320 imagination

01:08:39.740 by his

01:08:40.160 dentist dad

01:08:40.800 and his

01:08:41.420 therapist mom

01:08:42.100 who are

01:08:42.680 advising me

01:08:43.140 he's probably

01:08:43.480 got you know

01:08:43.980 like cravath

01:08:44.840 on speed

01:08:45.560 dial

01:08:45.940 helping him

01:08:47.500 no he

01:08:48.880 doesn't because

01:08:49.440 cravath actually

01:08:50.480 would um

01:08:51.240 they would give

01:08:52.400 him the proper

01:08:52.960 advice

01:08:53.320 oh and guess

01:08:54.480 what guess

01:08:55.120 what he's in

01:08:56.820 custody

01:08:57.160 it just

01:08:58.640 crossed the

01:08:59.180 wires

01:08:59.480 William Kelly

01:09:00.620 is now in

01:09:01.680 custody

01:09:02.040 that's the

01:09:03.100 third subject

01:09:03.700 arrested

01:09:04.180 enjoy prison

01:09:05.460 go ahead Rob

01:09:06.020 well what he

01:09:07.640 said that was

01:09:08.060 interesting in

01:09:08.560 that he said

01:09:09.000 you know they

01:09:09.420 don't believe in

01:09:10.140 the rule of

01:09:10.520 law they're

01:09:11.000 fascists but

01:09:11.800 many of these

01:09:12.400 same activists

01:09:13.100 will say that

01:09:13.760 law itself is

01:09:14.620 fascism or

01:09:16.060 laws that they

01:09:16.720 disagree with

01:09:17.600 uh and so

01:09:18.580 you know they'll

01:09:18.940 invoke the law

01:09:19.620 when they think

01:09:20.120 that it's to

01:09:20.800 their advantage

01:09:21.300 and then they

01:09:22.140 will deny the

01:09:22.920 legitimacy of the

01:09:23.740 laws when that's

01:09:24.480 to their advantage

01:09:25.220 uh you know what

01:09:26.640 you know the rule

01:09:27.120 of law well you

01:09:28.160 can't cross a

01:09:29.020 country's borders

01:09:29.800 that is breaking

01:09:31.120 the law uh and

01:09:32.720 so if you enforce

01:09:33.360 that law suddenly

01:09:34.120 you're you're

01:09:34.580 breaking the law

01:09:35.220 so you know

01:09:36.120 there's a lot

01:09:36.460 of inconsistencies

01:09:37.280 and and sort

01:09:37.860 of contradictory

01:09:38.440 ideas uh in in

01:09:40.500 you know when

01:09:40.800 when they talk

01:09:41.320 about this you

01:09:41.900 know the rule

01:09:42.200 of law is

01:09:42.580 fascism you

01:09:43.540 know they're

01:09:44.200 fascists so

01:09:44.580 they don't

01:09:44.880 believe in the

01:09:45.280 law you know

01:09:45.860 there's a lot

01:09:47.060 of inconsistency

01:09:47.700 there yeah you

01:09:48.520 should not be

01:09:48.980 looking for you

01:09:49.780 know continuity in

01:09:50.840 linear thinking

01:09:51.540 from these people

01:09:52.260 they're all

01:09:53.220 performative

01:09:54.860 outrage that's

01:09:55.680 what it is I

01:09:56.440 mean honestly

01:09:56.960 like he doesn't

01:09:57.960 really think it's

01:09:58.520 1939 like he's

01:09:59.840 just trying to

01:10:00.520 gin up clicks

01:10:01.280 he's looking for

01:10:01.980 attention and

01:10:03.380 that's the sad

01:10:04.100 thing I mean if

01:10:04.680 there's a downside

01:10:05.360 to these arrests

01:10:06.260 including of

01:10:07.280 lemon um it's

01:10:09.060 that it's just

01:10:09.620 going to be like

01:10:10.420 a it's just

01:10:11.600 going to generate

01:10:12.280 clicks for these

01:10:13.040 wannabe starlets

01:10:14.940 right like that's

01:10:15.700 what they really

01:10:16.200 want they he

01:10:17.160 wants his face

01:10:17.940 on the mk show

01:10:18.920 so does don

01:10:19.840 lemon for that

01:10:20.360 matter he'll

01:10:21.220 never get on

01:10:21.740 any other way

01:10:22.380 um so there

01:10:24.360 is kind of

01:10:24.800 like a there

01:10:26.160 is a downside

01:10:26.860 potentially of

01:10:27.660 charging them

01:10:28.240 because they're

01:10:29.100 they're going to

01:10:29.660 be martyrs in

01:10:30.680 the eyes of

01:10:31.160 their weird

01:10:31.540 supporters

01:10:32.000 yeah yeah I

01:10:34.420 I see that that

01:10:35.340 that that other

01:10:35.900 people will see

01:10:36.440 that and and

01:10:37.140 and uh you know

01:10:38.240 valorize them or

01:10:39.280 think that they've

01:10:39.760 done something

01:10:40.140 noble and maybe

01:10:41.000 they'll get a bit

01:10:41.540 of validation from

01:10:42.320 that but in the

01:10:43.500 long run it's

01:10:44.000 still worth

01:10:44.700 arresting these

01:10:45.380 people I think

01:10:46.160 uh you know the

01:10:47.340 trade-off is worth

01:10:48.240 it of you know

01:10:48.840 maybe they get a

01:10:49.320 little bit of

01:10:49.640 notoriety or fame

01:10:50.760 but in exchange

01:10:52.060 are also sending

01:10:52.720 the message that

01:10:53.360 if you break the

01:10:53.840 law you're going

01:10:54.300 to be arrested

01:10:54.800 and charged with

01:10:55.360 crimes so you

01:10:56.580 know it's it's

01:10:57.360 it's important to

01:10:58.180 to be aware of

01:10:59.280 that now there's

01:11:00.660 another school that

01:11:01.920 was in the news

01:11:02.420 this week this

01:11:03.040 one's uh out of

01:11:04.040 washington state

01:11:04.920 spokane valley

01:11:05.840 high school where

01:11:07.360 they held walkouts

01:11:08.300 on tuesday to

01:11:10.040 protest against

01:11:11.540 ice um this is

01:11:13.920 exactly one year

01:11:14.700 after trump's

01:11:15.340 inauguration so

01:11:16.380 that's that's I

01:11:17.340 guess why they

01:11:17.800 chose that date

01:11:18.620 and um there

01:11:20.740 are basically

01:11:21.540 upset over what

01:11:22.220 happened with

01:11:22.800 renee good and

01:11:23.600 they're upset over

01:11:24.320 the fact that ice

01:11:24.980 is there in

01:11:25.420 general here's how

01:11:26.340 that looked in

01:11:27.480 stop 54 listen

01:11:29.320 to the chants

01:11:30.040 okay this is ridgeline

01:11:52.360 high school to me

01:11:53.500 rob this looks very

01:11:54.580 like it looks very

01:11:56.840 mao it looks like a

01:11:58.960 china kind of like

01:12:00.300 indoctrination thing

01:12:01.540 where like the

01:12:02.120 children have to go

01:12:02.920 out or like a

01:12:03.940 north korea thing

01:12:04.700 where you've got to

01:12:05.200 cry harder cry

01:12:06.180 harder when something

01:12:07.120 happens that's bad to

01:12:08.120 the dear leader you

01:12:09.580 know like that's

01:12:10.860 that's how these

01:12:11.520 leftists are

01:12:12.060 indoctrinating their

01:12:12.940 kids we see it when

01:12:14.000 they post videos of

01:12:15.140 themselves talking to

01:12:15.860 their kids in the

01:12:16.360 backseat of their car

01:12:17.220 about what ice is

01:12:18.640 really doing we heard

01:12:19.520 that teacher doing it

01:12:20.440 inside the classroom

01:12:21.260 now you have the

01:12:22.120 result of young

01:12:23.160 teens standing out

01:12:24.560 there chanting that

01:12:25.500 ice is the kkk which

01:12:27.340 is so ironic because

01:12:28.400 the only people being

01:12:29.820 charged under the

01:12:30.680 clan act today are

01:12:32.360 the people who are on

01:12:33.320 their side who stormed

01:12:34.620 and terrorized a

01:12:35.500 church

01:12:35.820 well it's interesting

01:12:39.040 that you that you

01:12:39.540 bring up uh you

01:12:41.020 know mao's china and

01:12:42.020 the cultural revolution

01:12:42.860 and you know if you

01:12:44.460 read the history of

01:12:45.120 that and there are

01:12:45.780 some interesting

01:12:46.420 parallels between what

01:12:47.300 you see now especially

01:12:48.820 the last maybe 10 or

01:12:49.640 15 years especially

01:12:50.780 what we saw in 2020

01:12:51.940 um one of the

01:12:53.500 interesting things is

01:12:54.380 that uh it's not as

01:12:55.580 if uh mao and these

01:12:57.240 communist officials

01:12:58.040 pointed guns at these

01:12:59.240 you know young people

01:13:00.000 and said you're going

01:13:00.540 to go out in the

01:13:01.060 streets and and storm

01:13:02.360 buildings and murder

01:13:03.620 professors and go out

01:13:05.340 into the streets and

01:13:06.140 and and harass peasants

01:13:07.700 and so on um they he

01:13:09.780 merely encouraged them

01:13:10.980 to unleash that uh that

01:13:12.580 energy that was already

01:13:13.460 present uh you know a

01:13:15.380 lot of people young

01:13:16.300 people um are you know

01:13:17.840 a bit naive and and

01:13:18.920 innocent to the how

01:13:19.620 the world really works

01:13:20.600 they want to believe

01:13:21.220 in good guys and

01:13:21.880 bad guys they have

01:13:22.760 a very sort of

01:13:23.340 simplified worldview

01:13:24.240 they haven't lived

01:13:24.980 enough life to

01:13:25.560 understand the

01:13:26.280 complexities of life

01:13:27.160 and so when you

01:13:28.380 have uh authority

01:13:29.380 figures uh whether

01:13:30.580 it's you know

01:13:31.040 communist dictator or

01:13:31.980 even just a school

01:13:32.700 teacher or or an

01:13:34.160 educator saying you

01:13:35.180 know here's how

01:13:35.660 things are and if

01:13:36.500 you go out and

01:13:37.000 protest and you

01:13:37.720 behave this way or

01:13:38.560 harass people or

01:13:39.600 organize some kind

01:13:41.040 of a mass political

01:13:42.120 demonstration you're

01:13:43.040 on the right side of

01:13:43.700 history and you know

01:13:45.060 there really are bad

01:13:45.840 people and you have

01:13:46.760 to show them that

01:13:47.380 you're one of the

01:13:47.840 good guys and that

01:13:49.140 can fill a lot of

01:13:49.880 young people with

01:13:50.920 uh energy and vigor

01:13:52.200 and enthusiasm and

01:13:53.660 uh kind of you know

01:13:55.280 fuels that uh belief

01:13:56.680 in that simplified

01:13:57.300 world view um and

01:13:59.960 you know it's uh it

01:14:01.600 really is uh terrifying

01:14:03.320 i think a lot of

01:14:04.120 people believe that

01:14:04.800 you know young people

01:14:05.320 are naturally good

01:14:06.180 they're they're

01:14:07.100 innocent and then

01:14:08.300 they had to be

01:14:08.920 brainwashed into

01:14:09.740 believing something

01:14:10.560 well they have this

01:14:11.560 latent energy that

01:14:12.740 already exists waiting

01:14:14.500 to burst free and

01:14:15.460 all they're looking

01:14:15.980 for is sort of

01:14:16.700 permission someone

01:14:17.560 to authorize those

01:14:18.580 feelings to sign

01:14:19.380 off on them and

01:14:20.180 and channel it in a

01:14:21.120 certain direction um

01:14:22.900 and you know we're

01:14:24.140 we're seeing that

01:14:24.940 now uh those those

01:14:26.880 kids looked really

01:14:27.460 happy uh in that

01:14:29.280 video and i would

01:14:31.420 imagine a lot of

01:14:32.160 them who are there

01:14:33.280 uh you know they

01:14:34.340 they're they're not

01:14:35.300 some of them are

01:14:36.440 there because they're

01:14:36.960 happy to be there

01:14:37.640 but others are there

01:14:38.540 because of social

01:14:39.360 pressure or because

01:14:40.740 it's um you know

01:14:42.880 just a fun way to

01:14:43.720 pass the time you

01:14:44.820 know you get to

01:14:45.160 hang out with your

01:14:45.680 friends and and

01:14:46.980 that kind of thing

01:14:47.620 too well yeah

01:14:48.720 there's always like

01:14:49.380 we've seen there's

01:14:50.200 so many on the left

01:14:50.920 they've got that

01:14:51.440 civil rights era

01:14:52.240 jealousy that envy

01:14:54.000 the wannabe you

01:14:55.480 know aspect of it

01:14:56.380 like they're going to

01:14:57.320 be fighting for the

01:14:57.880 same sort of cause

01:14:58.760 and and the same

01:14:59.540 changes um you're

01:15:01.380 the perfect person

01:15:01.980 to ask about this

01:15:02.680 given all your

01:15:03.060 writings on luxury

01:15:03.780 beliefs and how you

01:15:05.260 know it is all the

01:15:06.100 rich people who have

01:15:06.920 the luxury of pushing

01:15:08.660 things like implicit

01:15:10.480 bias seminars as

01:15:11.680 opposed to actually

01:15:12.240 just having to work

01:15:12.960 to put food on the

01:15:13.660 table tim

01:15:15.020 walls literally

01:15:16.820 from a mansion

01:15:17.920 his mansion

01:15:18.820 the governor's

01:15:19.520 mansion has a

01:15:20.880 message for the

01:15:21.360 protesters and

01:15:22.680 here it is

01:15:23.080 satan

01:15:23.580 thank you for standing

01:15:26.620 up for our neighbors

01:15:27.580 who don't have a

01:15:28.540 fence and don't have

01:15:29.540 people to take them

01:15:30.320 around and don't have

01:15:31.800 lawyers to defend them

01:15:33.100 these are the moments

01:15:34.240 for people to stand up

01:15:35.820 these are the moments

01:15:36.800 that are not the easy

01:15:38.480 ones but these are the

01:15:39.460 moments where character

01:15:40.280 comes out i spent a lot

01:15:41.720 of time with john lewis

01:15:42.840 on non-violent

01:15:43.760 resistance the

01:15:45.220 resistance matters we're

01:15:46.960 not telling people to be

01:15:48.260 silent but we're not

01:15:49.380 telling people to go out

01:15:50.640 and cause problems we're

01:15:52.040 going to cause good

01:15:52.900 trouble

01:15:53.280 rob literally yeah

01:15:58.280 from behind a fence

01:15:59.480 totally protected from

01:16:02.740 behind this that has to

01:16:04.060 be what a seven eight

01:16:04.880 foot fence with his

01:16:06.580 mansion behind him

01:16:07.680 it's almost like he teed

01:16:11.000 this up knowing you're

01:16:11.760 gonna be on today

01:16:12.480 yeah well it's interesting

01:16:14.660 so he's wearing a you

01:16:15.880 know he he is presenting

01:16:17.700 himself with the

01:16:18.580 aesthetics of a you know

01:16:19.860 a man of the people

01:16:20.800 he's got the beanie

01:16:21.780 he's got the flannel

01:16:23.080 he's got the megaphone

01:16:24.780 you know he's kind of

01:16:25.740 dressed down and yeah

01:16:28.460 so so it kind of i think

01:16:30.080 in his mind he's trying

01:16:30.920 to counterbalance the

01:16:31.800 fact that he's standing

01:16:32.460 in front of his mansion

01:16:33.340 he's standing behind this

01:16:34.340 fence you know i mean

01:16:36.240 what is he what is he

01:16:37.120 standing on a stool or

01:16:38.140 something it's like this

01:16:39.640 beautiful wrought iron

01:16:41.000 ornate gate too it's not

01:16:42.860 even just a fence it's

01:16:44.280 like god only knows what

01:16:45.540 that costs and he's

01:16:47.260 wearing an expensive

01:16:47.920 watch it kind of

01:16:48.560 reminds me of fidel

01:16:49.260 castro who would wear

01:16:50.560 these fatigues and his

01:16:52.520 his hat but then he

01:16:53.720 would also famously

01:16:54.740 fidel castro wore two

01:16:55.940 rolexes and you know

01:16:58.400 you see you see tim

01:16:59.080 walls there he's got

01:16:59.940 the beanie and the

01:17:00.680 flannel but he's also

01:17:01.660 almost certainly i saw

01:17:02.700 he was wearing a watch

01:17:03.560 i don't think that was

01:17:04.760 a casio yeah yeah

01:17:07.100 exactly i mean

01:17:07.960 completely and then

01:17:09.220 telling the others get

01:17:11.120 in good trouble right

01:17:12.340 which is like oh yeah

01:17:13.140 okay i mean that

01:17:14.300 really what that means

01:17:15.080 i think is civil

01:17:15.960 disobedience basically i

01:17:17.300 mean it means yeah

01:17:17.840 it's okay to get in

01:17:18.540 trouble but it should be

01:17:19.200 good trouble it's so

01:17:20.920 interesting because he's

01:17:21.720 so he's a governor and

01:17:23.480 and this really is kind

01:17:24.620 of out of a communist

01:17:25.520 playbook so so mao

01:17:27.040 famously told uh the

01:17:28.740 red guards to bombard

01:17:29.860 the headquarters i mean

01:17:31.160 this is one of the

01:17:31.580 fascinating things about

01:17:32.360 communist regimes is

01:17:33.320 that even the people who

01:17:34.400 are in charge mao was

01:17:35.360 the dictator of communist

01:17:36.760 china but he would

01:17:38.460 unleash the red guards

01:17:39.500 and say you know harass

01:17:40.700 the teachers beat up

01:17:42.000 officials um he would

01:17:43.780 regularly encourage them

01:17:45.080 to agitate even though

01:17:46.300 he was in charge of this

01:17:47.320 regime uh a lot of

01:17:48.720 people don't know this

01:17:49.480 history and i think if

01:17:50.400 they read it they would

01:17:51.360 understand and make more

01:17:52.960 sense of what's actually

01:17:53.680 going on here it's strange

01:17:54.660 to see the governor of a

01:17:55.780 state telling people to go

01:17:56.640 out and get in trouble but

01:17:57.920 you're the governor of the

01:17:58.560 state why are you

01:17:59.120 encouraging people to

01:17:59.840 break the law well it

01:18:01.040 makes a certain amount of

01:18:01.860 twisted sense if you view

01:18:03.220 these people kind of as

01:18:04.340 your unofficial foot

01:18:05.280 soldiers for your uh uh

01:18:07.600 you know kind of kind of

01:18:08.420 fiefdom yes and of course

01:18:10.800 for him the whole game is

01:18:11.760 just to distract from his

01:18:13.800 massive fraud scandal uh

01:18:15.840 anything in minnesota that

01:18:17.240 will yeah that will divert

01:18:18.140 our attention away from

01:18:19.060 that into something else is

01:18:20.040 good for for tim wals one

01:18:22.100 more because his um his

01:18:25.020 friend in the democrat

01:18:25.740 party although this guy's a

01:18:26.960 democrat socialist mom

01:18:28.520 donnie who's running new

01:18:29.560 york city now uh not

01:18:32.520 exactly the same message but

01:18:33.700 kind of the same i mean i

01:18:35.080 think they're they're

01:18:35.920 aligned here he is and

01:18:37.000 sought 50 this was on the

01:18:38.800 view on tuesday i want to

01:18:42.360 know where you come down on

01:18:43.520 abolishing ice and if you

01:18:44.800 believe the ice has any

01:18:45.940 legitimate law enforcement

01:18:47.020 role you know i am in

01:18:48.880 support of abolishing ice and

01:18:50.400 i'll tell you why because

01:18:51.880 what we you're all a bunch of

01:18:55.520 idiots what we see is an

01:18:58.600 entity that has no interest

01:19:00.600 in fulfilling its stated

01:19:01.800 reason to exist we're seeing a

01:19:04.120 government agency that is

01:19:05.660 supposed to be enforcing some

01:19:07.960 kind of immigration law but

01:19:09.180 instead what it's doing is

01:19:10.060 terrorizing people no matter

01:19:11.740 their immigration status no

01:19:12.960 matter the facts of the law

01:19:14.100 no matter the facts of the

01:19:14.880 case and i'm tired of waking

01:19:16.780 up every day and seeing a new

01:19:18.960 image of someone being

01:19:20.300 dragged out of a car dragged

01:19:21.560 out of their home dragged out

01:19:22.740 of their life what we need to

01:19:24.680 see is humanity and there is a

01:19:26.600 way to to care about

01:19:28.460 immigration in this city and in

01:19:29.780 this country with a sense of

01:19:31.380 humanity what we're seeing from

01:19:32.840 ice is not it and we have not

01:19:34.380 seen that from them in a long

01:19:35.580 long time i mean if only we

01:19:37.480 could be more caring of the the

01:19:39.660 illegals performing forcible

01:19:41.620 sodomy on our little children

01:19:43.940 really that's what he's saying

01:19:46.120 he wants you to pretend that it's

01:19:48.620 all like sweet little housewives

01:19:50.480 and hard workers who've never

01:19:52.400 hurt a soul just trying to live a

01:19:54.920 better life in america that's not

01:19:56.820 it i mean i've looked at the ice

01:19:59.360 charges if i could tell you the

01:20:01.760 number of times i've read the terms

01:20:03.500 forcible sodomy you'd be horrified

01:20:06.040 and it's always on kids i have

01:20:09.080 zero zero tolerance for this

01:20:11.560 messaging and yet those idiots in

01:20:14.000 the audience at the view are

01:20:16.180 applauding abolishing ice and same

01:20:19.540 thing was with mom donnie too rob

01:20:21.320 governor's mansion on the upper

01:20:24.020 east side of manhattan he comes from

01:20:26.140 a very rich wealthy family and he's

01:20:28.880 got guards and fences all around him

01:20:31.240 yeah and i would imagine well the

01:20:34.680 hosts on that show was he on the view

01:20:36.460 there and then the audience members

01:20:38.420 well they're never going to be you

01:20:41.280 know almost certainly never going to

01:20:42.700 be victimized by you know criminals

01:20:45.020 and illegal immigrants who um yeah are

01:20:48.400 are assaulting people so and and it's

01:20:51.320 interesting what he said there about

01:20:52.160 about you know yes i believe in

01:20:53.320 abolishing ice because they're not

01:20:54.580 fulfilling you know whatever mom

01:20:55.920 donnie imagines their their uh ends

01:20:58.780 to be but then you know why is it

01:21:01.420 abolish you know and i had the same

01:21:03.440 question about the defund the police

01:21:04.700 thing or abolish the police it's you

01:21:06.320 know why not reform you know if you

01:21:08.600 truly believe okay well maybe there's

01:21:10.460 some in your mind some kind of a

01:21:12.400 reasonable compromise middle ground

01:21:14.900 for for enforcing the immigration laws

01:21:17.720 then say that but instead it's we're

01:21:20.060 just going to eliminate this department

01:21:22.040 altogether which would thereby of

01:21:24.420 course increase the number of illegal

01:21:26.020 immigrants so you know it would have

01:21:27.960 been nice if they pushed back and said

01:21:29.040 okay you want to abolish ice but then

01:21:30.240 what would your preference be for

01:21:31.420 immigration policy is it just complete

01:21:32.980 open borders uh you know complete

01:21:35.360 anarchy where no one is uh screened

01:21:39.260 uh you know anyone can be here anyone

01:21:41.440 can commit a crime and you know get

01:21:43.100 away with it so yeah it's uh you know

01:21:45.960 i'm not surprised to hear that from

01:21:47.780 mom donnie he was also a proponent of

01:21:49.380 defund the police four or five years

01:21:50.840 ago um yeah and it's it's shocking that

01:21:54.280 that someone like that is is uh the mayor

01:21:56.640 of america's largest city it's deeply

01:21:59.060 alarming thank god we moved out but it's

01:22:01.000 close enough you know like every once

01:22:02.800 in a while we go and um you got to

01:22:04.820 worry about it now because you got a

01:22:05.980 lunatic running it who's when it comes

01:22:07.620 to law and order that's for sure all

01:22:08.920 right i gotta run because we're gonna

01:22:09.780 bring in our lawyer to talk about the

01:22:11.020 don lemon rejection of charges by this

01:22:13.500 magistrate judge rob thank you a

01:22:15.500 pleasure thank you megan all right up

01:22:18.480 next phil holloway is here to react to

01:22:20.180 this federal magistrate judge who is

01:22:22.160 apparently refusing to sign a criminal

01:22:24.480 warrant to bring charges against don

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01:25:36.560 joining us now for what's going on with

01:25:43.020 these potential charges against don lemon

01:25:45.040 is phil holloway criminal defense attorney

01:25:47.440 and host of mk true crime so what do you

01:25:51.040 make of this phil the reports are that

01:25:52.860 this magistrate judge in minneapolis has

01:25:54.960 declined to sign a warrant for his arrest

01:25:59.120 apparently not persuaded by the criminal

01:26:01.360 complaint filed by the doj that attempted

01:26:04.260 to make a showing of probable cause i'm

01:26:07.000 just going to guess that it would have been

01:26:08.660 the same two charges as we've seen against

01:26:10.200 the earlier two one under the face act which

01:26:13.040 if it's a first violation is a misdemeanor

01:26:14.720 and one under the clan act which is a

01:26:17.020 conspiracy against rights somebody else's

01:26:19.500 attempt to exercise their civil rights

01:26:22.200 well this reeks of politics i can smell it here

01:26:27.040 in atlanta all the way coming from

01:26:28.740 minnesota today you know trespassing

01:26:32.260 is a crime the first amendment does not give

01:26:36.000 don lemon a shield against violating the rights

01:26:40.040 of other people merely holding a microphone

01:26:42.920 and calling yourself a journalist might make you a journalist

01:26:46.560 within the meaning of the fourth amendment but you does not

01:26:48.660 it doesn't mean that you get to use it as a defense to violate other people's

01:26:52.740 first amendment rights

01:26:54.100 it's important to understand

01:26:56.380 megan magistrate judges federal magistrate judges they are not

01:27:00.580 appointed by any president they're not confirmed by

01:27:03.420 the senate they are hired as contractors

01:27:06.460 by the judges who are the appointed judges on the court so they are

01:27:11.480 essentially employees they get

01:27:13.500 hired from the local community okay these are lawyers probably

01:27:17.280 people with certain political connections who wound up getting these

01:27:20.860 jobs and so when you factor all this in

01:27:24.340 together along with the fact that there have been

01:27:26.420 warrants that were issued for other three

01:27:28.680 i smell politics and it reeks

01:27:32.380 i believe that's what it's about now the justice department

01:27:35.340 is not stuck here they can always go to the grand jury and they can get an

01:27:39.780 indictment this magistrate's word is not and will not be mark my words

01:27:44.900 the last one on the subject so they they would have to go to a federal

01:27:49.900 grand jury that's already impaneled that right isn't that how it works and

01:27:54.900 you kind of get in front of it and you make your case on

01:27:56.860 how don lemon violated the elements of

01:28:00.040 both of these laws yeah one way or another it can go to

01:28:04.420 a federal grand jury now what i don't know

01:28:07.100 i think there might be a way i was trying to research this um before we

01:28:10.840 came on air um i think there might be a way for

01:28:14.000 prosecutors to get another bite at the apple by going to an article three judge

01:28:18.300 or perhaps a a different court a district court judge who's

01:28:21.300 who's been placed uh with lifetime tenure on the court

01:28:23.920 yeah but there are options look don lemon has won round one um and it's

01:28:29.080 probably like i said due to politics but i don't think it's over for him

01:28:32.660 i've seen the same videos and the evidence that you have and that your

01:28:35.880 audience has seen uh and what i see is i see a person who is

01:28:40.240 acting together with people who are committing a crime he is

01:28:43.600 he is encouraging he's an active participant he's encouraging just by

01:28:48.200 being there and that takes you out of the realm of being a casual observer

01:28:52.960 and squarely into the realm of being a participant it doesn't take much to be an

01:28:57.640 accessory it simply takes um facts that would show that you were

01:29:02.500 actively involved that you encouraged uh that you helped in some way even if it's

01:29:08.140 just a tiny way and just by being there and giving

01:29:11.220 inspiration to those people i think that could perhaps be enough

01:29:14.300 so i think let's not forget let's not forget phil that he showed up

01:29:17.320 with his cameras which actually is encouragement to the blm types

01:29:22.820 that's what they wanted they wanted to make a splash with it

01:29:26.440 they loved the fact that they were on camera with don lemon there's video of

01:29:30.500 him hugging and kissing this nakima levy armstrong clearly the two of them are

01:29:36.480 very familiar with one another he knew was happening happening at a church

01:29:41.220 before others did that was obvious he came in he got in the face of that pastor

01:29:46.560 who clearly who made clear no one wants to talk to you he kept it pushing he's on

01:29:52.620 camera saying trauma is part of the process being forced to feel

01:29:57.040 uncomfortable is part of the process he argued that the first amendment allowed

01:30:00.900 it he said that in front of a room full of

01:30:03.100 people that the first amendment allowed them to be all of this

01:30:06.240 is assistance and participation in the actual protest it's not journalism

01:30:11.520 no it's it's i think you laid out the case exactly right it's it's squarely in the

01:30:17.220 realm of participation he's not just a bystander i think no one would

01:30:20.600 dispute that uh someone even if it's an amateur journalist or a former

01:30:24.620 cnn journalist don lemon has a first amendment right to engage in news

01:30:29.300 gathering and and airing the news showing the news nobody

01:30:32.420 disputes that but you can't you can't take that step um over into the other

01:30:37.340 arena and become an active participant and that i think under the totality of

01:30:41.980 the circumstances everything that i've seen

01:30:43.860 shows that that's what don lemon was he will be arrested when there's a will

01:30:48.940 there's a way the doj is going to find a way around

01:30:52.460 this um federal magistrate judge because like

01:30:55.980 i said this is something that uh most people don't understand but

01:31:00.000 politics particularly local politics uh weighs

01:31:03.640 heavily uh in who gets these jobs as federal

01:31:07.580 magistrate judges and what what is the local community we're looking at well

01:31:11.460 it's the minneapolis st paul area uh and you just can take a look at the

01:31:16.560 news to see what the local politics are there so that's sort of you may have a

01:31:20.460 problem with the grand jurors too because look what happened with the tish

01:31:23.060 james case which was a real case and we took a hard

01:31:26.200 look at those allegations the audience is aware

01:31:27.820 that that was not the bullshit case that uh her her defenders claimed it was

01:31:32.400 but it got thrown out because the prosecutor they said wasn't properly

01:31:36.260 appointed and then when they tried to rebring it

01:31:39.140 um with the proper prosecutor behind it they had i think two grand juries say no

01:31:44.360 because they're they're immersed in news coverage that is saturated with

01:31:49.480 messaging about how shitty the case is how there's no

01:31:52.200 they're there how it's just political retribution

01:31:54.220 and these grand jurors they they're allowed to watch the news they take it in

01:31:58.220 and they're like oh this is wrong so a grand jury sitting in minneapolis right

01:32:01.460 now phil yeah it's probably like go don right

01:32:05.160 because that like that's a leftist town to begin with and then

01:32:07.700 you know those leftist democrats are going to be mad at ice and not mad at don

01:32:11.440 lemon well i think that's probably why they decided to try to go the route of

01:32:16.420 the arrest warrant eventually they would have to get an indictment anyway

01:32:18.920 following the arrest unless there was a plea deal worked out then they could file

01:32:23.740 what's something called an information uh if somebody's going to plead guilty

01:32:27.620 and you can bypass the grand jury but i think that's why they went the route

01:32:30.880 of seeking the arrest warrant from the federal magistrates look

01:32:34.240 the local cops could have gone in and found a local judge to make these arrests too

01:32:37.940 because you know that was um that was trespassing it was lots of other things

01:32:41.720 probably that violated state law but when the federal when the

01:32:45.080 local government local authorities refused to do their duty

01:32:48.360 they refused to do their sworn duty to protect the community to enforce and

01:32:52.880 carry out the laws somebody else has to step in and do it the

01:32:56.200 federal government is not well suited for this this is typically the kind of

01:32:59.840 thing that the locals should do but when they refuse to do it nobody else is

01:33:04.860 left and so now the the attorney general and the department of justice has to

01:33:08.460 step in and try to fill that role a role that admittedly is not uh they're not

01:33:12.660 really designed to operate in this space you know local street level crime uh is

01:33:17.480 usually the purview for the local cops yeah

01:33:20.400 maybe we have a group of people that doesn't want to enforce the law

01:33:22.440 here's another interesting thing mayor jacob fry has said nothing nothing

01:33:29.520 about the church terror nothing it's not a word he's so he's got opinions on

01:33:34.500 everything phil but not one word in defense of the the people who are inside

01:33:40.300 that church and now he comes out and weighs in on the

01:33:44.300 arrest this morning with the following this is a gross abuse of power he tweeted

01:33:48.160 it the federal government is picking and choosing who to investigate going after

01:33:52.180 protesters and not the person who shot and killed one of our neighbors i am

01:33:56.480 calling for nakima to be released immediately i mean he's whistling in the

01:34:02.080 wind he can call for it all he wants the answer is no

01:34:04.500 that pam bondi doesn't answer to him but do you believe the nerve of this mayor

01:34:08.680 to he says nothing about the churchgoers but this now he finally thinks it's time

01:34:13.940 to weigh in yeah uh look i'm surprised and i'm really i'm not ruling it out but

01:34:20.340 i'm surprised that he might not be on the list of people also uh who are to be

01:34:24.540 arrested because look it's one thing to be uh to use his words you know to be an

01:34:29.140 advocate for your constituents and for the local community but

01:34:31.940 i believe that some of the statements made by waltz

01:34:35.260 um and um the mayor there as well have have gone beyond simply advocating for

01:34:41.280 your constituents um i believe that their rhetoric

01:34:44.260 encourages violence i think that now they are trying to take some steps back now

01:34:48.420 that we've seen some people get hurt and someone's been killed

01:34:51.380 uh i think they're trying to take a more moderate stance now but very early on and

01:34:56.800 even you know to a certain extent later their rhetoric fuels this fire it's like

01:35:03.060 literally pouring gasoline on the fire every time they take to x and every time they take

01:35:08.060 to a microphone bank for a a press conference because all they do is stir people up and encourage

01:35:14.900 more violence i wouldn't be surprised if they're not allowed phil they're like the state

01:35:20.240 authority it's the federal immigration authorities enforce immigration law and the state can help

01:35:25.560 they absolutely can help and in the red states they do um but they're not required to help under the

01:35:32.460 you know federalism principles like the states have their own sort of experiments going and they don't

01:35:36.360 have to help but they can't obstruct so like neutrality in the enforcement procedure is okay

01:35:44.840 but actively working to undermine the federal government or like trying to block the federal

01:35:50.160 government that actually can get you an obstruction charge or or some other charge and that's why

01:35:56.160 walls fry and ellison and i think another all got subpoenas a grand jury subpoena that

01:36:04.180 pam bondy had already gotten right to figure out like what have you been emailing to each other what

01:36:08.940 have you been texting what have you been texting to your staff like how involved are you in making

01:36:13.860 these protests that are obstructing us happen yeah there's probably lots of things that are happening

01:36:18.760 that are behind the scenes that we don't know about that walls and uh his compatriots there and

01:36:25.000 the mayor might be actively supporting these people but it's it's as you correctly pointed out you can

01:36:30.380 you can stand out and you can voice your opinion uh but you can't tell your constituents to take to the

01:36:37.080 streets and obstruct ICE because once you do that you have crossed the line into open rebellion

01:36:43.540 against the united states government look you talk about federal uh authorities cooperating with

01:36:49.600 certain state authorities in certain places these are people who are serious criminals right and so

01:36:56.400 if if you can hand them over from the security of a jail to immigration authorities which is the way

01:37:02.460 it's always been done up until the last year or so a couple years anyway um then you know you don't

01:37:08.940 have people out in the streets you don't have ICE uh going out home to home door to door conducting

01:37:14.540 these searches and executing these raids you have it all done safely and securely uh in a jail

01:37:20.320 environment and people don't see it but now we have to go on the streets we have to go home to home

01:37:26.000 door to door business to business and have this on the ground presence and when you have the mayor

01:37:30.460 and the governor fanning these flames of active resistance there's nothing else that you can call

01:37:37.080 that except open rebellion against the united states yeah they could be facing charges soon if if they

01:37:43.600 can get a magistrate judge to sign off on it um i'm going to repeat this reporting but i want to tell

01:37:49.540 you we don't have this confirmed um it this is from an individual who is his name is brian kimber he

01:37:58.380 hosts world news with brian kimber he's retired air force he worked as a security officer for the

01:38:03.020 department of defense he says um he's followed by a lot of people who we love and admire and he is

01:38:09.580 reporting the following again take it with a grain of salt because we don't know his reporting and it's

01:38:15.020 only one person uh federal law enforcement tells me that one of the two women arrested today had rented

01:38:20.840 three separate hotel rooms they were waiting for her to come out so as not to make a huge scene the

01:38:26.800 manager of the hotel parentheses pissed because she was treating staff like garbage and parens told her

01:38:32.540 she had a package in the lobby update here federal law enforcement tells me that every person who

01:38:38.920 entered that church is getting a warrant and that they are also using phone records to add conspiracy

01:38:43.800 charges on top of everything else i specifically asked about don lemon haven't heard back yet and then

01:38:49.180 he writes on the three hotel rooms they did not know which one she was in and did not want to kick

01:38:53.100 three doors in in a hotel so they just waited and then told her she had a package in the lobby so

01:39:00.700 that's that could be true i mean that sounds right it tracks but i will tell you what is true for sure

01:39:05.000 william kelly is now in federal custody let's take a look at the pictures we knew it was coming and

01:39:11.160 indeed the good news is mr loudmouth tough guy is now in federal custody he's in handcuffs for the

01:39:18.940 listening audience not looking so tough looking a little shocked frankly that his arms are behind

01:39:24.700 his back and he's being taken away and he won't be able to go out and agitate in the churches of

01:39:29.220 america at least for the next few days and good because this is one person i think it's safe to say

01:39:34.380 who will not be avoiding charges either with a leftist jury or otherwise it's just too clear

01:39:40.680 fell his harassment of those parishioners he's clear everybody who was in there is clear and if that

01:39:46.080 reporting is true that they're all getting warrants i say great go for it because they were all

01:39:50.200 committing crimes that guy by the way i'm not sure you got the right guy because that looks a lot like

01:39:55.080 the guy who i saw testifying in congress today named jack smith i'm not sure if maybe they were

01:40:00.900 separated at birth or or what but can you imagine if that's jack smith's like side gig you know it's in

01:40:08.800 the gig economy that's what he does that's why he also has a presence in washington dc outside of

01:40:14.240 phoenix that's church no in any event so so that guy um that what was his name again megan um that

01:40:22.100 you the picture we just showed um i keep yeah they all they all run together but he's the one that's

01:40:27.800 out there daring uh the federal authorities i dare you to come get me my lawyer says you can't do

01:40:33.060 anything my lawyer says this my lawyer says that well you know what lawyers are wrong sometimes i'm

01:40:37.600 even wrong i'm on i'm actually wrong a lot but um i don't think i'm wrong about this i think that

01:40:42.980 anyone who takes uh their lawyer's advice to mean that they can go out and actively oppose and

01:40:52.000 obstruct law enforcement and also that then that they can trample on the first amendment and other

01:40:57.840 rights of other citizens you know there are people in that community like the hotel manager that have

01:41:03.040 you know they've had enough of this shit you know they're tired of these people they want they want

01:41:07.160 this out of their their community they want it out of their towns i think we have a vocal probably a

01:41:12.480 minority but we also have a lot of astroturf outsiders that are brought in the people of

01:41:16.980 minnesota by and large and minneapolis they want their communities back they want these hellraisers and

01:41:23.160 protesters and criminals out of there uh and they want this whole thing to probably go away if the

01:41:28.140 truth be told here's the crazy thing you know they they want to paint these protesters as like they

01:41:32.680 went in and filed a lawsuit uh last week and they got a judge to agree with them that ice should be

01:41:38.160 banned from spraying pepper spray against i mean the ruling is basically against protesters who

01:41:44.720 aren't disrupting or obstructing okay well that's already the law i mean like that's that this ruling

01:41:49.620 is totally pointless right but the truth is they are actually getting in the faces of police officers

01:41:55.440 and there's a report out today but in the daily wire that there's this radical ice watch group there's

01:42:00.600 a couple of minnesota recruiting white folks to quote break black arrestees out of cop cars

01:42:06.900 that the group was a leftist volunteer immigration and they are telling people how to perform a de-arrest

01:42:14.440 saying how you've got to pull the cop off of the arrestee you've got to break their hold by hitting

01:42:19.640 the cop's hand you got to open the cop car you got to break the zip tie cuffs you may get hurt or

01:42:25.540 arrested but you have to do it you can't let even one black person be taken you as a white person have

01:42:31.780 to set the arrestees free all of that is what's the word we use in the law illegal phil yeah probably

01:42:38.600 will get arrested definitely would get i mean they get hurt definitely will get arrested probably get

01:42:43.380 hurt uh in the minute or so we got left here i see i want to just ask this question and i don't

01:42:48.140 know the answer the federal courts are not very well equipped to deal with um this type of of case

01:42:54.340 this many arrests um they are they are accustomed to dealing with a more orderly process these types

01:43:00.320 of street level arrests are always taken through the local court system dealt with by local judges

01:43:05.700 local prosecutors better equipped to deal with the volume federal courts aren't i would like to have

01:43:10.780 some reporting in a week two weeks a month three months from now to find out what happened to these

01:43:16.320 cases for these people who are getting arrested were they actually prosecuted were they just released

01:43:20.480 on bail and their charges dismissed uh i would like to hear some follow-up not just out of you

01:43:24.780 mean the illegals going back all the way to los angeles to find out what happened the church

01:43:28.460 oh yeah i mean all these all these street level arrests yeah we'll be fought we'll be following

01:43:32.900 everything everybody from this church very carefully all right phil thank you for pinch hitting we

01:43:36.120 appreciate you getting on so quickly tomorrow on the show assistant attorney general for civil rights

01:43:41.180 at the doj her meet dylan what a day to have her see you then

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 22, 2026

Church Agitators ARRESTED... But is Don Lemon Next？ With Allie Beth Stuckey, Rob Henderson, and Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 1236

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