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00:00:26.420 Good morning, everyone. I'm Emily Jashinski, host of After Party and the Megyn Kelly Wrap-Up

00:00:33.980 Show on SiriusXM Channel 111. It's Friday, August 28th, 2026, and this is your AM Update.

00:00:40.920 She didn't take advantage of this situation. She created this situation,

00:00:46.280 this opportunity to do what she wanted. Jury deliberations now underway in the Lindsay

00:00:52.000 Clancy murder trial after closing arguments centered on whether she understood that killing

00:00:56.640 her children was wrong. A major question remains if prosecutors can use what KSM told authorities

00:01:02.960 after years in CIA custody. Nearly 25 years after the September 11th attacks, a trial date finally

00:01:09.980 set for alleged mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. A Rutgers University dean arrested after

00:01:15.960 investigators allegedly discover upskirt videos on his device, and thieves making off with a

00:01:22.380 3,000-year-old treasure in a lightning-fast museum heist, the latest brazen raid sweeping

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00:03:10.520 month old Callan. Sullivan telling the jury prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt

00:03:15.860 that Clancy understood her actions were wrong and remained capable of following the law.

00:03:21.400 The verdict form giving them five possible outcomes on each count. First degree murder,

00:03:26.260 second degree murder, manslaughter, not guilty, or not guilty by reason of a lack of criminal

00:03:31.040 responsibility. A finding that Clancy was not criminally responsible almost certainly sending

00:03:36.040 her to a state psychiatric hospital, where she would face periodic reviews, but no predetermined

00:03:41.120 limit on how long she could remain committed. Defense attorney Kevin Reddington arguing Clancy

00:03:46.300 was a devoted mother, whose mind deteriorated under what he called, quote, damn medicine and,

00:03:52.020 quote, lousy medical care. Reddington pointing to her journals, two calls to a suicide hotline,

00:03:57.920 and her decision to admit herself to McLean Hospital earlier that month as evidence she

00:04:02.500 was desperately seeking help. Reddington attacking the qualifications of the prosecution's experts,

00:04:08.600 arguing their testimony could not carry the Commonwealth's burden.

00:04:12.060 You have these men coming in here that don't even know psychosis from schizophrenia as experts,

00:04:18.820 telling you that if a woman doesn't have these symptoms, like it's a disease,

00:04:23.720 of symptoms of postpartum depression within four weeks, that's it.

00:04:30.300 we're the most advanced country in the world

00:04:32.600 but we still have doctors

00:04:34.560 that come into court on a murder trial

00:04:36.180 and talk about a full week cut off

00:04:37.880 on something that they don't even know

00:04:40.620 exists, they've never treated it

00:04:42.740 they've never written about it

00:04:44.720 you have terrorism experts

00:04:46.980 you have an expert

00:04:48.540 that comes in and talks about

00:04:50.540 his focus and his interests

00:04:52.260 and it's about juveniles and drugs

00:04:54.080 and like I said, kids that like to drink

00:04:56.380 and smoke weed

00:04:57.160 those are the experts, quote unquote

00:05:00.060 to support their burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt

00:05:04.140 that Lindsay was not suffering from a disease or defect at the time

00:05:07.860 that she killed her children.

00:05:10.480 Reddington's closing also taking a more theatrical turn

00:05:13.320 as he compared Clancy's journals to the writings in the horror movie The Shining.

00:05:18.040 And when you consider the journals,

00:05:21.040 you know, watch the movie The Shining with Jack Nicholson.

00:05:24.460 Remember the scene when he's sitting there in a state of complete psychosis?

00:05:30.060 And he's writing a book, and he's typing, and the wife finds the book

00:05:33.900 and opens it up and looks at it and says,

00:05:35.580 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

00:05:37.940 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

00:05:40.020 Repeat it after repeat it after repeat it.

00:05:42.240 And he says, Do you like it?

00:05:43.900 You look at the records of her Googling drugs.

00:05:48.960 You look at how many times, how many hours of the night in the afternoon

00:05:53.700 she's looking this stuff up, in between taking care of the family,

00:05:57.460 in between all the stuff that was going on with visiting doctors, seeing doctors, going to Rhode

00:06:02.400 Island, being told, no, we can't help you, calling the suicide hotline, we can't help you, calling

00:06:07.740 another suicide hotline, we can't help you. My God, what does she have to do? She was reaching

00:06:13.840 out for help, and she was not getting it. Plymouth Assistant District Attorney Jennifer

00:06:20.580 Sprague conceding Clancy suffered from mental illness and genuinely attempted to take her own

00:06:24.640 life. Sprague arguing that was not enough to establish Clancy lacked criminal responsibility,

00:06:29.920 insisting she was depressed and exhausted, but still capable of making choices and understanding

00:06:34.700 right from wrong. The prosecutor rejecting the defense's attempts to blame Clancy's treatment,

00:06:40.420 arguing she had health insurance, an extended maternity leave, a nanny, and extensive support

00:06:45.360 from both sides of her family. Sprague contending Clancy's providers did the best they could with

00:06:50.560 the information she gave them, while accusing Clancy of withholding her thoughts of harming

00:06:54.740 the children because she feared authorities would take them away. The prosecutor then

00:06:59.240 offering jurors her explanation for why a loving but deeply depressed mother would commit the

00:07:04.500 killings. So why did she specifically do it? She was depressed. She was exhausted. She was done.

00:07:13.900 She didn't want to try anymore. She felt damaged. But those kids, those kids were her protective

00:07:20.200 factor. Those kids were keeping her from ending her misery. And so she had to remove the protective

00:07:27.020 factor. And I'm not saying she was happy about it. I'm saying that it was what she had to do

00:07:33.880 to end her misery. But it was a choice. She didn't take advantage of this situation.

00:07:41.120 She created this situation, this opportunity to do what she wanted. And when she woke in the

00:07:47.680 hospital and she knew she was alive and the kids weren't. She knew what she did was wrong. She said

00:07:54.400 she felt horrified. And then while still with a tube in her throat, she's asking, do I have a

00:08:01.040 lawyer? Clancy crying as the prosecutor described the suffering of each child and argued the killings

00:08:07.520 were committed with deliberate premeditation and extreme atrocity or cruelty. Sprague concluding by

00:08:14.060 telling jurors they could find Clancy guilty to a moral certainty. The jury beginning its

00:08:19.400 deliberations shortly after 1230 yesterday afternoon, with six alternates remaining at

00:08:24.460 the courthouse in case one of the 12 deliberating jurors becomes unable to continue. We spoke with

00:08:30.100 the MK True Crime Show co-host Phil Holloway about whether the final arguments changed the

00:08:34.960 trajectory of a case that had appeared to be moving in the defense's favor. I think the big

00:08:39.760 surprise today during close was that the defense seemed to have fumbled right as they were preparing

00:08:46.780 to possibly cross the goal line. Up until now, I would have said the defense was definitely

00:08:51.800 on track to at least get a hung jury, if not win this case. I think they had done a good job

00:08:57.980 making their case that Lindsey Clancy suffered from a serious mental illness to the point that

00:09:03.780 she did not fully appreciate the nature of her actions.

00:09:06.880 But what we saw, rather than sort of a coherent argument that brings it all home and ties

00:09:13.400 it together, we saw something that was meandering, it seemed kind of aimless, like stream of

00:09:19.480 consciousness, and it focused on things like the prosecutors or other trivial details in

00:09:25.220 the case, and focused less on whether the government had failed at its burden to disprove

00:09:31.800 her insanity defense.

00:09:33.780 After five weeks of conflicting psychiatric testimony, the defense had one final opportunity to give jurors a clear path from that evidence to an acquittal.

00:09:43.180 Holloway telling us Reddington never brought those pieces together.

00:09:46.340 When we heard Attorney Reddington discussing things like the O.J. Simpson case or The Shining, I was struggling to find out how that fit in anywhere.

00:09:56.740 I feel like his closing needed to be focused on the medical evidence in the case that dealt with mental illness and how the facts of the case, as he presented them to this jury, would sort of be applied using the judge's instructions to get the jury to a place where they could find her not guilty.

00:10:22.040 I wanted him to ask for a not guilty verdict. I wanted him to, before he sat down, just implore

00:10:28.860 them to go to their jury room and write not guilty on the verdict form. But what I saw was

00:10:35.380 something that talked about all manner of things that had little to do with her mental illness and

00:10:42.760 more about other trivial matters. Holloway says Sprague made a surprising strategic choice at

00:10:48.740 the very beginning of her closing argument. I think the prosecutor did a pretty good job and

00:10:53.540 they may have actually salvaged their case at this point, but they started out by clearly

00:11:01.620 acknowledging that Lindsay Clancy had serious mental illness. That's not really the way I would

00:11:07.620 have started out if I were prosecuting the case. I would think that the better way to argue this

00:11:13.120 case would be start out by talking about the kids, the children, and the horrible way that they lost

00:11:18.220 their lives, because they are, after all, the victims in the case. But instead,

00:11:22.400 the prosecutor led with an acknowledgment that Lindsay Clancy has serious mental illness. So

00:11:28.500 she essentially gave the defense a boost up, if you will.

00:11:35.420 A U.S. military judge setting a June 2028 trial date for alleged 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh

00:11:42.800 Mohamed and three accused accomplices, nearly 27 years after the deadliest terrorist attack

00:11:49.120 on American soil. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Michael Schrama ordering the trial to begin

00:11:54.380 June 5, 2028 at Guantanamo Bay. Mohamed facing trial alongside Waleed bin Atash,

00:12:01.200 Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, and Mustafa al-Hasawi, all accused of helping plan or support the attacks.

00:12:08.200 Prosecutors reportedly pushing to begin the trial in 2027.

00:12:12.220 The judge finding that would not leave enough time to resolve the remaining pre-trial disputes.

00:12:17.060 The date also remaining tentative, dependent on the case meeting a series of deadlines over the next two years.

00:12:23.420 Mohammed accused of conceiving the plot to train hijackers to fly commercial airliners into buildings

00:12:29.000 and presenting the plan to al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

00:12:33.100 The U.S.-educated engineer captured in Pakistan in 2003 and transferred to Guantanamo Bay in 2006,

00:12:40.000 later claiming he planned the 9-11 operation, quote,

00:12:42.700 from A to Z, next month marking 25 years since the hijackers struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon,

00:12:49.940 a fourth plane crashing in a Pennsylvania field after passengers fought back.

00:12:53.820 The case winding through the military court system for more than two decades,

00:12:58.180 with pretrial hearings alone stretching back more than 10 years.

00:13:01.200 A proposed resolution appearing close in July 2024, when Mohammed and two co-defendants agreed to plead guilty to all charges in exchange for life in prison instead of the death penalty.

00:13:12.760 The agreement also creating a process for the defendants to answer lingering questions from the victims' families.

00:13:18.680 Then-Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin revoking the agreements just two days later amid public backlash.

00:13:24.120 That move triggering another lengthy court fight, with a military judge initially finding

00:13:29.000 the agreements remained valid before a divided federal appeals court ultimately siding with

00:13:33.800 Austin last year. ABC News explaining the major evidentiary dispute still standing between the

00:13:39.720 case and trial. With a trial date set, the death penalty is back on the table. Now, a major question

00:13:46.740 remains if prosecutors can use what KSM told authorities after years in CIA custody. The

00:13:53.000 Defense claims his statements were tainted by torture, likely pressured out through waterboarding.

00:13:58.340 But prosecutors say these statements are crucial evidence.

00:14:03.660 Coming up, a Rutgers University dean accused of secretly recording upskirt videos now arrested

00:14:10.260 and banned from campus and a priceless Bronze Age treasure vanishing from a Spanish museum

00:14:15.860 in just four minutes, the latest in a growing wave of heists across Europe.

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00:15:27.200 research arrested and barred from campus after investigators allegedly discovered upskirt videos

00:15:33.180 on one of his electronic devices. An upskirt is exactly what it sounds like, a photo or video

00:15:39.340 secretly taken beneath someone's skirt or dress without their knowledge or consent. New Jersey

00:15:44.460 Attorney General Jennifer Davenport announcing Tuesday that 51-year-old Joshua Kohut is charged

00:15:50.240 with fourth-degree invasion of privacy. Kohut serving as the Dean of Research at Rutgers

00:15:55.480 School of Environmental and Biological Sciences in New Brunswick. Prosecutors alleging Kohut

00:16:00.900 secretly used his cell phone to record underneath another person's clothing while working at the

00:16:06.300 university. Investigators reportedly executing a search warrant Monday and seizing five electronic

00:16:11.800 devices belonging to Cohut, a preliminary forensic review allegedly uncovering videos

00:16:16.880 of another person's undergarment-clad private area on one of those devices, authorities

00:16:22.320 not publicly identifying the alleged victim or revealing whether that person is a student

00:16:26.860 or otherwise affiliated with Rutgers, the Attorney General's office now asking anyone

00:16:32.120 who believes they may have been victimized or has information about the case to contact

00:16:36.940 state investigators, a Rutgers spokesperson calling the charges, quote, extremely disturbing.

00:16:43.600 Kohut now on administrative leave and banned from campus while the university conducts its

00:16:47.740 own investigation. Kohut joining Rutgers as a graduate student nearly three decades ago before

00:16:53.340 eventually becoming a professor and, in January of last year, dean of research. According to the

00:16:59.040 university's own leadership page, that position included overseeing research compliance and

00:17:03.860 ensuring the school's work followed appropriate ethical standards.

00:17:07.460 The allegations emerging just as incoming freshmen

00:17:09.840 were moving onto the New Brunswick campus ahead of the fall semester.

00:17:13.900 Here, some students speaking out to CBS News earlier this week.

00:17:17.900 I guess if a dean is doing things like that,

00:17:20.680 it's kind of making the environment unsettling.

00:17:23.400 I was unpacking my whole wardrobe yesterday,

00:17:25.340 and I'm looking at some outfits.

00:17:26.880 Now that I hear about this, I'm like,

00:17:28.360 is there something I should be wearing to just keeping myself safe?

00:17:31.880 But it's not something you want to think about

00:17:33.180 if you're just going to class to study.

00:17:35.540 CBS New York reporting Kohut was released under pretrial monitoring

00:17:39.220 following his initial court appearance Tuesday and is due back in court October 8th.

00:17:44.020 The charge carrying a possible sentence of up to 18 months in prison

00:17:47.800 and a fine of up to $10,000.

00:17:51.140 Kohut reportedly not responding to requests for comment.

00:17:55.600 Thieves pulling off a lightning-fast museum heist yesterday in Spain,

00:17:59.780 reportedly stealing nearly all of one of Europe's greatest collections of prehistoric gold in less than four minutes.

00:18:07.380 The thieves targeting the Treasure of Vienna, a roughly 3,000-year-old collection of bowls, bottles, bracelets, and other objects from the Bronze Age.

00:18:16.420 The chaos beginning at 5.16 a.m., when an alarm suddenly began sounding at a municipal sports complex on the outskirts of Vienna,

00:18:24.500 sending local police racing in that direction.

00:18:27.260 Four minutes later, the alarm at the city's museum going off.

00:18:30.380 By the time officers arrived at 524, the thieves and much of the treasure already gone.

00:18:36.840 Officials saying several people arrived in two vehicles,

00:18:39.860 initially trying the museum's main entrance before

00:18:42.100 reportedly forcing their way through a reinforced side window.

00:18:46.140 The thieves then smashing into the display and reportedly taking every gold object belonging

00:18:51.340 to the treasure of Vienna, leaving behind only its silver vessels,

00:18:55.100 one bracelet, and several fragments from an ancient ceremonial staff.

00:19:00.040 Officials insisting the museum's security systems were working

00:19:02.780 and rejecting suggestions of an equipment failure.

00:19:06.340 Investigators now reportedly examining whether the first alarm was deliberately triggered as a diversion.

00:19:12.080 A town spokesman describing the operation as, quote,

00:19:14.820 super fast and super professional.

00:19:17.180 Vienna Mayor Fulgencio Serdan, struggling to contain his emotion

00:19:20.720 while describing what the robbery means to his town, quote,

00:19:23.520 We are absolutely devastated. I'm even trembling. The truth is that, for those of us from Vienna,

00:19:29.600 this destroys us. It's part of our heritage, of our wealth.

00:19:33.760 El Pais reporting people seen crying in the streets of the city following the robbery,

00:19:38.180 the original collection comprising 59 distinct objects made from gold, silver, iron, and amber,

00:19:44.500 dating to roughly 1250 BC. The treasure discovered in 1963 inside a vessel buried in a dried-out

00:19:51.940 riverbed, its archaeological value considered incalculable. The gold alone reportedly valued

00:19:57.340 at roughly $2 million. The Vienna Raid becoming the third similar museum robbery in Spain

00:20:03.020 in just four months. Thieves reportedly stealing hundreds of gold coins from museums in Badajoz

00:20:08.820 and Albacete earlier this year. None of those pieces has been recovered. The robbery is part

00:20:14.820 of a much broader wave sweeping European museums. Thieves raiding the Louvre in a brazen broad

00:20:20.500 daylight heist last October, escaping with jewels worth roughly $102 million in just minutes.

00:20:28.740 Several suspects later arrested and charged, though all but one of the stolen pieces remain

00:20:33.540 missing. Reuters detailing new Europol findings on the shifting makeup of the criminal groups

00:20:39.020 behind Europe's museum heists. These criminals are recruited through social media, so it's a

00:20:45.260 group of people, you know, put together last minute to do a crime. They're not particularly

00:20:49.960 interested in art they're just interested in the financial return often these people have been

00:20:55.400 involved in criminality in the past or violence in the past so they're more used to operating that

00:21:01.240 way during the louvre heist you know the robbers threaten guards and visitors with angle grinders

00:21:08.840 and in the netherlands also last year they used explosives to open up the doors to the museum

00:21:15.560 Basically, when they recruit people online, they recruit for a certain specialty.

00:21:20.320 So it's one person who wants the objects, but they need a team.

00:21:24.120 Someone who's good at lock, someone who's good at, you know, bringing in the equipment.

00:21:29.040 And they just assemble a team.

00:21:33.800 That'll do it for your AM update.

00:21:35.480 I'm Emily Jashinski, host of After Party.

00:21:37.500 Go and check out more at AfterPartyEmily.com.

00:21:40.200 Catch The Megyn Kelly Show later today, live on SiriusXM's The Megyn Kelly Channel, 111 at noon east.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 28, 2026

Clancy Jury Deliberations Begin, 9⧸11 Mastermind Trial Set, Spanish Museum Heist： AM Update 8⧸28

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