The Megyn Kelly Show - Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on Political Double Standards, COVID Hypocrisy, and Following Rush Limbaugh

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00:01:00.740 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.620 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:01:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:13.800 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.360 Excited to be back with you after I'm hot off of a trip to Disney with my family and my kids.

00:01:22.400 And I had a super great time and I've got thoughts.

00:01:25.060 But first, I want to bring you the name of today's guests.

00:01:28.400 We're excited.

00:01:29.360 You know these guys, but you may not know them exactly as we're about to introduce them to you.

00:01:33.240 Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, hosts of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

00:01:39.380 And these guys are taking over most, virtually all, I think it's fair to say, of Rush Limbaugh's old stations.

00:01:48.300 So it seems like Premiere Radio has basically found the bet they want to make.

00:01:52.260 And I totally support their choice because these two are, they're funny and they're interesting and they have clever takes on things.

00:01:59.740 And I love listening to them individually.

00:02:01.340 So I think you're going to enjoy this show and I think you're going to enjoy their new show as they continue building their respective media empires.

00:02:07.980 Anyways, lots to go over today.

00:02:10.680 I haven't yet had the chance to talk about Jeffrey Dubin at CNN.

00:02:14.940 I got thoughts on that.

00:02:15.720 We're going to kick it off there in one minute.

00:02:18.520 First, this.

00:02:19.020 Let's get right into it.

00:02:25.440 I have so much in my mind.

00:02:26.800 So I was off for the latter part of last week.

00:02:30.400 We had shows, but I pre-taped them because I was at Disney with my family, which was awesome.

00:02:34.940 So I did not get the chance yet to weigh in on Jeffrey Dubin.

00:02:39.180 We need to talk about this.

00:02:41.180 Yes.

00:02:41.760 I am so grossed out by this guy.

00:02:44.560 I cannot believe that they are still using him on CNN.

00:02:49.820 Could they find no other legal analysts, Clay?

00:02:52.140 I mean, you're a lawyer.

00:02:53.000 And as I understand it, you've been banned from CNN.

00:02:55.400 You were banned because you said you like boobs.

00:02:58.060 Yeah.

00:02:58.520 Yeah.

00:02:58.780 Boobs and the First Amendment.

00:02:59.920 And it's not like they were paying me.

00:03:01.100 I'm banned as a guest.

00:03:02.320 It's not as if, you know, like they're making the conscious decision to give me money.

00:03:06.260 I mean, it's crazy.

00:03:07.100 I mean, I don't know what Alison Camerata did that she had to pay the sin of being his cleanser.

00:03:11.720 How did she get that assignment?

00:03:12.940 I mean, it had to be a woman, probably.

00:03:14.860 They were afraid, probably, of having a guy do it.

00:03:16.740 So it's a fun discussion.

00:03:18.480 I wouldn't say no to interviewing a guy accused of Me Too stuff.

00:03:21.140 I really wouldn't.

00:03:21.980 But this is not exactly that.

00:03:23.460 This isn't a Me Too situation.

00:03:25.000 This is a gross, disgusting pervert who couldn't keep it in his pants long enough to complete a work call.

00:03:30.080 Look, I mean, I think that for me, Megan, when you break this down, first of all, like three or four years ago, I went on CNN.

00:03:37.480 And I said that I was a believer in two things, the First Amendment and boobs, right?

00:03:44.340 It's a funny line.

00:03:45.580 It's a sarcastic line.

00:03:47.720 Because if you say that you're a First Amendment absolutist, it kind of goes over people's heads.

00:03:52.460 So on my radio show a long time ago, I started saying, hey, the only two things that have never let me down are the First Amendment and boobs, right?

00:03:59.600 And so it's sort of an irreverent, zany line to drop.

00:04:03.920 It isn't very serious.

00:04:05.460 CNN lost its mind when I went on and said that.

00:04:08.980 And on top of that, like a week later, Hugh Hefner died, probably the original First Amendment and boobs spokesperson, right?

00:04:15.900 And they treated it like he was a head of state who had died.

00:04:19.080 So the disconnect there.

00:04:20.820 But then they bring on Jeffrey Toobin, and they make the decision that they're going to continue to pay this guy, despite the fact that he got caught masturbating during a Zoom call that had just ended, he thought.

00:04:34.680 Whatever the reason might be, it's ridiculous, no pun intended.

00:04:40.360 His initial defense was, I thought the camera was off.

00:04:44.180 It wasn't even like, I thought it was over.

00:04:46.340 He just thought he had muted.

00:04:47.660 I think he said, I thought I'd hit mute.

00:04:48.880 He just thought it was ongoing, but they couldn't.

00:04:51.900 What kind of a person thinks the Zoom is ongoing, whips it out, and pleasures himself?

00:04:56.740 There's something wrong with him.

00:04:58.600 Look, he's an incredibly talented writer.

00:05:01.360 But the idea that CNN can't find someone else to be their legal analyst and that they're willing to trot this guy out to talk about masturbating.

00:05:10.420 And I love, by the way, that he said, I've been working at food banks since then.

00:05:13.980 Oh, okay.

00:05:14.480 Well, that's fine.

00:05:15.220 You can go jerk off wherever you want.

00:05:17.440 But if you go to a food bank afterwards, we all know that takes care of it.

00:05:20.160 I hope you use a lot of hand sanitizer because those homeless people do not deserve that.

00:05:24.340 Yeah.

00:05:24.520 Look, the idea that CNN would be so desperate to bring this guy back that they need to have, and you could speak to this better than me, but a female CNN employee sitting there basically whitewashing his behavior.

00:05:41.280 And that he needs to address it on CNN.

00:05:44.560 I thought the whole thing was strange.

00:05:45.920 Look, if he wants to write an apology and they want to post it on CNN.com and it even has one of those hostage video looks, you know, where he's sitting by himself and he's like, I apologize to anybody.

00:05:55.940 Like, whatever.

00:05:56.940 If they want to do that, that's their right.

00:05:59.000 But I just think the hypocrisy in saying, Clay Travis, you can't ever be on as a guest on CNN.

00:06:05.280 And by the way, I'm doing Fox News hits now, so I'd rather be in front of their audience, which is much bigger.

00:06:10.740 But the idea that I could never be on CNN again because of the First Amendment and boobs line, and they bring a guy who got publicly caught masturbating on to talk about that in the middle of the day during their programming.

00:06:22.740 Look, you just need to have precedence and the hypocrisy here to me is mind blown.

00:06:27.840 It's so cringy.

00:06:29.120 Let's play the camera out of tube and soundbite.

00:06:31.340 What the hell were you thinking?

00:06:33.380 Well, obviously, I wasn't thinking very well or very much.

00:06:37.300 And it was something that was inexplicable to me.

00:06:41.040 I didn't think I was on the call.

00:06:43.640 I didn't think other people could see me.

00:06:46.180 You thought that you had turned off your camera?

00:06:49.020 I thought that I had turned off the Zoom call.

00:06:51.260 Now, that's not a defense.

00:06:52.860 This was deeply moronic and indefensible.

00:06:56.580 I'm trying now to say how sorry I am sincerely in all seriousness.

00:07:05.120 Above all, I am sorry to my wife and to my family, but I'm also sorry to the people on the Zoom call.

00:07:11.740 Buck, you worked at CNN.

00:07:13.220 You know these people.

00:07:14.760 This is a guy who's got a history.

00:07:17.240 It was well documented in the news.

00:07:19.440 He had an affair with a CNN contributor's daughter who was in her 20s when Toobin was married with kids of his own.

00:07:25.920 He got her pregnant.

00:07:27.460 He offered her money to have an abortion.

00:07:29.900 She didn't want to.

00:07:31.080 He denied paternity.

00:07:32.560 Then it was proven he was the dad.

00:07:34.680 She had the baby.

00:07:36.360 He tried to get out of paying support for the baby.

00:07:39.120 She had to say, I'm going to publicly humiliate you with all your colleagues at CNN by telling them you won't acknowledge your responsibility to this child.

00:07:44.920 And then finally, when he knew he was going to be professionally embarrassed, according to I think it was the New York Daily News who reported on this, he started.

00:07:50.980 He finally paid up.

00:07:52.280 Then there were other reports of women talking about his creepy behavior coming on to them at work events.

00:07:57.220 This guy has got an issue.

00:07:59.520 I don't know what the hell his issue is.

00:08:01.100 I don't really want to know, but I do not want to see him talking about the Supreme Court or anything else.

00:08:06.960 And I couldn't give two shits about his time at the food bank.

00:08:11.220 Buck?

00:08:12.060 Yes, that is all true.

00:08:14.620 CNN is a bad place run by bad people.

00:08:17.500 And I can speak to that from some personal experience.

00:08:20.400 Everyone's known that Toobin's a sleazeball for a long time and everyone knows there's double standard.

00:08:25.200 I mean, I don't know.

00:08:25.860 I just yeah, the guy is a mockery.

00:08:27.780 He's a punchline.

00:08:28.740 I also have a really hard time caring one way or the other about, you know, his future and profession and what he's doing just because this is how it goes on the left.

00:08:36.460 I mean, you basically can get away with misconduct.

00:08:38.640 I mean, if you're friends with Jeff Zucker, you better commit a serious felony or else you're going to be able to continue to work there.

00:08:44.720 So it doesn't it doesn't really matter.

00:08:46.120 It's not surprising.

00:08:47.340 Look, that's right.

00:08:47.940 That's a really good point.

00:08:48.860 I would say I was having some argument with a woman on Twitter the other day about I personally believe that there isn't a woman alive who could get her job back after doing this.

00:08:58.300 Not that any woman would.

00:08:59.640 No woman would do this.

00:09:00.760 No, I'm not saying women don't masturbate.

00:09:02.740 I'm just saying no one has no woman has this kind of compunction that she couldn't keep it together for a work suit.

00:09:08.260 But I don't believe any woman would have been would have had her job saved after this.

00:09:12.700 And but but the thing is there and this there was a woman, her name is Kathy Young, who was saying, oh, come on, there's not really a pattern of, you know, in 2021 men being able to keep their jobs after after, you know, hurting women or behaving this way publicly.

00:09:25.540 I'm like, bullshit. Don Lemon, first of all, I was credibly accused of sexually assaulting a guy in a bar.

00:09:31.060 There was an independent eyewitness.

00:09:32.260 Jeff Zucker, no problem.

00:09:33.780 Chris Cuomo doesn't even deny advising his brother on how to conspire against all of his many, many accusers on sexual harassment.

00:09:42.500 CNN, no problem.

00:09:43.920 Now you've got Jeffrey Toobin, who whips it out on a work Zoom call while over at The New Yorker.

00:09:47.760 But he was a CNN contributor at the time, comes back having having exposed and pleasured himself in front of these people.

00:09:53.380 Welcome back.

00:09:54.560 What what is it?

00:09:56.020 What's going on at CNN?

00:09:57.280 What's going on with Jeff Zucker that he doesn't have a problem with any of this?

00:10:00.160 Well, I mean, my theory on all this, anytime situations like this emerge, Megan, is somebody's got major dirt somewhere and that's how they end up keeping their job.

00:10:09.340 Right.

00:10:09.780 Your position is a good one.

00:10:11.160 Imagine that this were Fox News right now.

00:10:14.320 Right.

00:10:14.620 And all of those things that you just ran through were occurring with Fox News anchors as opposed to CNN anchors.

00:10:21.140 It would be a front page New York Times story for multiple days.

00:10:25.900 I looked because I was kind of curious.

00:10:27.580 I'm still old school.

00:10:28.420 Buck makes fun of me some about this.

00:10:29.760 I still read the actual physical newspaper.

00:10:32.020 This thing was like a couple of paragraphs on a sidebar in The New York Times.

00:10:36.440 They barely covered it at all.

00:10:38.320 And I was just thinking, you know, how much more of a story it would be if it was somebody who was a prominent Fox News contributor.

00:10:44.620 That had done the exact same thing.

00:10:46.180 Oh, I mean, people over at Fox have gotten pushed out for sending, you know, the so-called depicts to people at work.

00:10:54.020 Right.

00:10:54.340 And I understand that.

00:10:55.460 But believe me, this is more than a picture.

00:10:57.580 This is a movie picture.

00:10:58.540 And it's actually at work, right?

00:11:03.920 I mean, there's a difference, like whether, like you could be on your phone doing stupid stuff outside of work, right?

00:11:10.780 You go to a bar, you think you have a relationship with somebody.

00:11:14.240 Those are fraught, difficult angles to analyze from a labor and employment lawyer perspective.

00:11:19.500 Getting caught masturbating while at a work event, typically not a difficult analysis for most labor and employment lawyers, which is why The New Yorker fired him immediately.

00:11:30.020 Of course they had to.

00:11:31.660 I'm sorry, but there's certain jobs you cannot hold after you've publicly humiliated yourself in that way.

00:11:36.280 And his role happens to be one of them now.

00:11:40.100 But, Buck, you mentioned the hypocrisy of the of sort of the social justice warriors.

00:11:44.600 So it turns out Hunter Biden is a racist and no one cares.

00:11:47.480 Right.

00:11:48.020 Hunter Biden, it's come out over the past few days, uses the N-word all the time.

00:11:53.500 And Joe Biden's out there saying that he's going to end the hate and discrimination against Asians.

00:11:57.640 Meanwhile, it turns out Hunter Biden is talking about what kind of a woman he wants to have sex with and says, and I quote, no yellow.

00:12:03.880 Oh, OK, so a collective yawn by the media.

00:12:09.280 No one cares.

00:12:10.360 And I'm sorry to stay on the double standard.

00:12:12.620 But can you imagine, Buck, if that had been Donald Trump Jr., right?

00:12:16.960 Like they don't care because his last name is Biden.

00:12:20.140 I think we have to think differently on the right a little bit about double standards.

00:12:24.200 We still have to point them out.

00:12:26.260 But the double standard is the point.

00:12:29.060 They do this because they can.

00:12:30.580 The hypocrisy isn't some ugly little thing that they want to hide.

00:12:35.080 They basically look you in the eyes and say, that's right.

00:12:37.900 We take care of our side.

00:12:39.600 We bury that story.

00:12:41.100 What are you going to do about it?

00:12:42.680 I think this is a major mentality change that people on the right need to have.

00:12:46.740 We point at them and say, look at this.

00:12:49.040 If this were.

00:12:49.740 And by the way, it's true.

00:12:50.580 And I agree.

00:12:51.240 And I'm not saying we shouldn't say it.

00:12:52.680 But it also just goes to the power dynamic as it plays out in the media.

00:12:58.020 That's one point on this.

00:12:59.760 And that they actually get some joy.

00:13:01.840 I mean, there's some glee, I think, the media takes in.

00:13:04.820 Yeah, of course, we're going to protect Joe Biden's son and not make a big deal of this

00:13:09.040 because we can.

00:13:10.620 And the other part of it is that I think Hunter Biden at some level, and this is a remarkable

00:13:14.400 reality, is inoculated by his awfulness.

00:13:18.960 I mean, he's so terrible that it's hard to even get.

00:13:23.040 And when I say so terrible, such a mess, such a disaster in on so many levels.

00:13:28.920 The guy got kicked out of the military for basically being a crackhead.

00:13:32.620 He snorted Parmesan cheese off.

00:13:34.820 I mean, you go down the list of things.

00:13:36.660 It almost is.

00:13:37.800 It's like we become immune.

00:13:40.180 We become.

00:13:41.220 It's hard to sensationalize him at this point or to get attention because everyone's like,

00:13:46.280 oh, he's such a he's such a screw up that how can we really care?

00:13:49.480 So I think those two things come together.

00:13:51.320 And I was a big proponent of don't focus as much on Hunter Biden in the run up the election.

00:13:57.080 There are other reasons why the other things that Trump should have that the pro-Trump

00:14:00.800 media should have been looking at.

00:14:02.380 But it's become a thing where we all point to we say, look at Hunter Biden.

00:14:06.460 CNN doesn't care.

00:14:07.660 Right.

00:14:07.940 I mean, like MSNBC doesn't.

00:14:09.560 They're not going to change their ways.

00:14:10.920 So I just think there's there's a new context we have to put this in.

00:14:14.180 You know what, though?

00:14:15.100 But I don't disagree with anything you said.

00:14:17.860 I actually think those are two very good points, but it's still infuriating.

00:14:21.440 I agreed with Clay's tweet the other day about The New York Times trying to ruin a 15 year

00:14:27.020 old girl's life.

00:14:28.000 She's a little older now, but she had said she had sung the N-word in a song.

00:14:34.700 She was quoting a song.

00:14:35.700 She said, N-word, I can drive right after she got her permit or something.

00:14:40.420 I think that was the basic story.

00:14:42.640 It was a four second clip.

00:14:43.800 She sent it to one person.

00:14:45.240 She didn't post it publicly.

00:14:46.620 That person, of course, showed it to somebody else who recorded it and then laid in wait

00:14:50.100 for four years before the girl got a scholarship to be a cheerleader.

00:14:53.560 I think at University of Alabama, The New York Times does the story on this winds up.

00:14:59.220 I believe the woman the girl was trying to sort of do a mea culpa, reset her life because

00:15:04.340 her scholarship got pulled and she basically got forced out of the university.

00:15:07.240 She has no college career thanks to that stupid ass story.

00:15:10.960 And The New York Times, instead of helping her by allowing her to sort of explain, you

00:15:15.360 know, a dumb ass song, whatever.

00:15:17.600 It is a song, though.

00:15:18.780 They buried her and they celebrated her tormentor who had laid in wait and held the tape and

00:15:24.780 waited until she got something good going in her life.

00:15:26.780 And actually, the thing that pissed off her tormentor was the fact that she had tweeted

00:15:30.080 something that was pro BLM.

00:15:31.700 And he was like, oh, no.

00:15:33.400 So he decided to ruin her like that, Clay, they thought was really worthy of the pages

00:15:38.260 of The New York Times.

00:15:39.040 But Hunter Biden, yawn.

00:15:40.860 Yeah, the way that I went back and looked, Megan, because I'm big and I understand Buck's

00:15:45.420 point.

00:15:45.740 There is no doubt that there's a double standard.

00:15:47.860 I'm big on just continuing to analyze what the double standard is.

00:15:52.720 And I use three examples.

00:15:54.540 OK, the one you're mentioning is a 15 year old high school girl in Luton County, Virginia.

00:16:00.460 She got her driver's license and she was celebrating.

00:16:04.220 She was happy.

00:16:05.080 And she just used the N word with an ending of A as opposed to ER like a rapper would.

00:16:11.520 Right.

00:16:11.700 Like, I'm so excited about this.

00:16:12.920 But she's quoting a song.

00:16:14.020 There's a song.

00:16:14.520 Yeah, right.

00:16:15.040 On a Snapchat, by the way, on a Snapchat to one friend, as you pointed out, Classmate

00:16:21.300 holds that video for three years until she actually gets admitted to the University of

00:16:26.100 Tennessee and makes the cheerleading squad, Megan, and makes the cheerleading squad.

00:16:31.360 As soon as that video goes out, Tennessee basically pulls her admission.

00:16:35.840 They kick her off of the cheerleading squad.

00:16:38.160 She has to go to community college because no one will admit her to college.

00:16:42.160 All right.

00:16:42.600 Front page New York Times story.

00:16:45.500 Same thing that Hunter Biden did.

00:16:47.240 Two other examples, Megan.

00:16:48.800 Morgan Wallen, who a lot of people know, country music singer, does the same thing as Hunter Biden.

00:16:53.640 What I think is key here is it's a non-derogatory, non-intentionally racist use of the N word.

00:17:02.620 It's not like it's being used as a racial slur intended.

00:17:07.780 It's on a video, drunk, coming home from the bar.

00:17:11.640 Somebody gets that video off of a porch camera somehow or other.

00:17:15.720 And he basically gets canceled.

00:17:17.720 All country music pulls his songs.

00:17:19.920 He can't go out and perform.

00:17:21.620 It's been basically a year for him now of enforced silence.

00:17:25.700 Another one, Kyle Larson, who is a NASCAR driver, while playing a video game, again, iRacing, not in a negative manner, just uses the N word like it would be used in rap songs all the time.

00:17:39.300 It's kind of just a common use word, which, again, not smart to do, but I think the intent matters.

00:17:44.620 He is banned from NASCAR racing for a year.

00:17:48.560 New York Times does 14 stories on Morgan Wallen, eight stories, Megan, on Kyle Larson and their use of the N word.

00:17:57.700 We just mentioned the 15 year old girl who's on the front page of the New York Times.

00:18:01.780 They have not done a single story about Hunter Biden's N word usage.

00:18:07.120 And by the way, I also did a database search on CNN and on the Washington Post.

00:18:13.240 Similar numbers on the Kyle Larson and Morgan Wallen stories as the New York Times.

00:18:17.940 Zero on Hunter Biden.

00:18:19.600 All right.

00:18:20.160 MSNBC, same story.

00:18:22.200 Again, regardless of what you think, of what is and is not a story, my perspective is, I think about this like a judge, like you do, Megan, when you're making an argument.

00:18:33.040 If you're not going to call balls and strikes the same way, how can I possibly trust you?

00:18:38.900 CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post through Morgan Wallen and Kyle Larson and this 15 year old girl, now 18, 19 year old girl, Mimi Groves, cheerleader under the bus for the exact same thing Hunter Biden did.

00:18:53.940 They don't cover him at all.

00:18:55.040 And if you are analyzing newsworthiness, what is more newsworthy, the president's son in a time of supposed systemic racism and racial healing being racially insensitive or these three people, which really in the grand scheme of things don't matter in the political universe.

00:19:13.920 If you were ranking the newsworthiness of them, I think Hunter Biden would be far in excess of the other three people.

00:19:21.440 And yet they're making the choice not to cover him while they're covering far less significant individuals, far more severely.

00:19:30.020 To your point, Buck, I think I think the New York Times would tell you Donald Trump Jr. is a far worse person than Hunter Biden.

00:19:36.840 That's what they think.

00:19:38.140 And yet they covered his every move like it was apocalyptic.

00:19:42.480 I don't think they'd be saying, oh, he's just so bad.

00:19:46.340 We're not going to cover it.

00:19:47.240 He's done so many bad things.

00:19:48.500 We're not going to talk about him using the N word over and over and over or referring to Asian people as yellow, no yellow in terms of his sexual preferences.

00:19:57.120 You know, they're they're pretty quick to overlook the Tubins and the Hunter Bidens of the world and, of course, sling their arrows against anybody who's considered more of the right whenever they can.

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00:20:25.640 Victoria's Secret is rebranding.

00:20:27.220 People don't understand what it is to be an empowered woman.

00:20:30.080 They don't understand it.

00:20:31.380 Even the so-called feminists don't understand it.

00:20:33.640 And let me start with this story, because this is up your alley to play, you know, the Naomi Osaka story at Disney.

00:20:39.600 This somebody my kids like tennis.

00:20:41.960 They were talking about, I guess, the French Open.

00:20:44.360 And somebody mentioned Naomi Osaka.

00:20:47.220 And and my daughter said, oh, they talked about her at school.

00:20:50.100 And of course, I was like, oh, God, what'd they say?

00:20:51.800 Because I you know that at this girl's school, which is very far left and we just pulled her from it, is going to be celebrating Naomi Osaka's bailing on, you know, the French Open as a moment of empowerment, which, of course, was the messaging.

00:21:03.640 And I pulled her aside.

00:21:04.540 I'm like, honey, I got to tell you, I see it a different way.

00:21:07.580 I'm like, I think we're in a place right now where where anybody, but especially women who start to feel uncomfortable about something or have a weakness that they'd like to shore up are being encouraged to lean into their weakness.

00:21:18.420 That instead of meeting the challenge and saying, I feel uncomfortable, but I'm going to do it.

00:21:22.140 I'm going to prove to myself I can do it.

00:21:23.560 I'm going to I'm going to master it.

00:21:25.240 They're they're celebrating people running from those challenges and saying, never mind, I'm going to cower.

00:21:29.880 Never mind.

00:21:30.280 I don't want to do it because any discomfort is unacceptable.

00:21:33.000 I'm not OK with that.

00:21:34.300 I said, let me tell you about what I think an empowered woman looks like.

00:21:37.140 And then we started talking about the CIA analyst who found bin Laden because I had just interviewed Rob O'Neill.

00:21:42.360 We were talking about her and how what a badass she is.

00:21:44.560 OK, so that's that's a bridge of saying that's what I think is empowering.

00:21:48.280 A badass woman who's actually changed the world unapologetically.

00:21:51.960 She seeks no accolades for it.

00:21:55.020 She hasn't come out publicly.

00:21:56.320 She's amazing.

00:21:57.040 Fuck, you worked at the CIA.

00:21:58.320 I mean, this is like this woman's a national heroine, not Naomi Osaka.

00:22:04.060 No, she leaned into her weaknesses.

00:22:05.820 I see it.

00:22:07.020 So Victoria's Secret folds into this because they believe they've been disempowering women because they sell sexy lingerie because they have the angels doing the whatever they do down the runway every year.

00:22:18.300 And men and women seem to like it now instead, they're going to use Megan Rapinoe, Megan Rapinoe.

00:22:27.500 And they've got a trans model.

00:22:30.040 They've got a biracial model who's an inclusivity advocate, size 14.

00:22:33.900 Right.

00:22:34.200 They're going totally a different way.

00:22:36.400 This from a company whose founder has been seriously linked to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:22:41.140 So my head's going to explode because none of this empowers anybody.

00:22:45.120 And we're not at a point yet.

00:22:47.020 You tell me where if you want to wear sexy lingerie and flaunt your tone abs, that's somehow not empowering women.

00:22:54.600 I think that's very empowering.

00:22:55.640 If you got them, show them.

00:22:57.100 Great.

00:22:57.940 What do you guys think, Buck?

00:22:58.840 I think that it's just doomed to fail as so many of the other times when they go against what the market really shows on this stuff and what people like.

00:23:10.720 Why is Victoria's Secret so successful?

00:23:13.180 And what is it really selling?

00:23:14.720 I mean, you know, it's kind of from what I understand.

00:23:16.660 I mean, my girlfriend, I actually talked about this recently.

00:23:18.880 She's like, look, it's just a lot of the clothing.

00:23:20.480 It's cheaply made.

00:23:21.480 It's not very good.

00:23:22.460 It's not a very good product.

00:23:24.340 So what is the marketing?

00:23:25.440 The marketing is that it's sexy.

00:23:27.200 And what is sexy built on?

00:23:29.160 Generally speaking, when we're talking about, you know, in a heterosexual context and what most of the majority of the market is, it's men being attracted to women.

00:23:37.320 And there's a certain impulse and there's certain things that come along with that.

00:23:41.140 You know, they can try this like bigger is beautiful thing and they can try this to sell to those to those groups individually.

00:23:46.940 I understand that.

00:23:47.860 But the brand was built upon fantasy and desirability of women.

00:23:54.140 Right.

00:23:54.400 That's what Victoria's Secret is all about.

00:23:56.140 And the male view of all those things.

00:23:58.340 So they can try to change this.

00:24:00.700 They can try to make a major shift in people's thinking about it.

00:24:04.220 But I think ultimately it has to be it will be doomed to fail other than we are talking about it now.

00:24:10.360 In a sense, they get a big publicity push here that if nothing else creates more focus on the brand so that I think when they go back, I'll make a prediction right now.

00:24:19.800 They're going to have, you know, Adriana Lima or whoever in campaigns for Victoria's Secret within six months or 12 months or whatever.

00:24:25.860 But they're going to go back to what works because, you know, this is true all across the fashion industry.

00:24:30.840 I mean, when you're trying to sell stuff, if I open a Brooks Brothers catalog, am I seeing like really, you know, schlumpy, out of shape, 65-year-old guys?

00:24:40.300 I mean, even the 50, you know, the 65 and 55-year-old dudes you see in these catalogs, they've all got washboard abs and like these square jaws.

00:24:47.560 Like this is how you sell things.

00:24:49.060 You're selling a perception and a dream.

00:24:50.920 Look, it makes the corporate board feel good about themselves when they do this stuff.

00:24:54.820 It gets them some attention.

00:24:56.620 But whether this will actually help the brand, no, no way.

00:24:59.700 I could speak to this, Megan.

00:25:01.120 I watched the Victoria's Secret.

00:25:02.820 You know, they like to do a Christmas fashion special a couple of years ago.

00:25:06.600 And look, whenever I'm flipping around, I'm not going to turn that thing off.

00:25:10.840 Innocently went by it.

00:25:12.740 So for some reason, the remote pause.

00:25:14.380 In case people are wondering, I like attractive women wearing limited amounts of clothes.

00:25:19.580 I watched their advertisement, you know, the Victoria's Secret Christmas fashion show.

00:25:24.240 And I immediately, this was pre-COVID, obviously, when everything was still open.

00:25:27.860 I think this was a couple of years ago.

00:25:29.180 I immediately went out and bought like $200 in lingerie for my wife and just brought it back.

00:25:33.680 She was like, what are you doing?

00:25:34.540 And I was like, you know what?

00:25:35.600 You're going to look amazing in this.

00:25:36.700 And what's funny about this, and I do think from a marketing perspective, it's interesting.

00:25:40.800 My wife's perspective on lingerie is, you're just going to take it off.

00:25:44.760 I'm not that interested in putting it on for that, like getting dressed up, right?

00:25:48.900 Which I think is a funny line from her.

00:25:50.740 I'm also confused because I don't understand.

00:25:53.880 The comfy bras and nightgowns and, you know, flannel, they've been available.

00:26:00.880 It's not like we have to have those from Victoria's Secret.

00:26:04.000 Victoria's Secret is trying to paint a different brand.

00:26:05.780 They're more like Agent Provocateur, although a lot cheaper and not as sort of saucy.

00:26:10.080 They just chose a different lane, right?

00:26:12.140 Like they're there.

00:26:13.360 As I see it, the smart man, here's a tip for you guys.

00:26:16.940 The smart man buys his wife the comfy stuff, the flannel, you know, pajama, bottoms and

00:26:22.900 the cute top, something she actually wants to sleep in.

00:26:25.380 And the smart woman buys herself the lingerie.

00:26:28.660 So it's like a gift both ways, right?

00:26:30.220 Like I put on the, it's true.

00:26:31.460 I put on the lingerie, not for me, but for Doug, right?

00:26:34.080 But like he's sort of, you know, if he wanted to make a gesture that would make me happy,

00:26:38.640 the lingerie is what makes you happy, but the comfy stuff is what makes us happy.

00:26:43.860 Anyway, there's a room for all of it.

00:26:45.660 But somehow feminism now is being, it's like how they got rid of the bikini, the bathing

00:26:50.620 suit contest in the Miss America pageant, which, and people say even the pageant is sexist.

00:26:56.120 All right.

00:26:56.600 I still think there's a place if women want to work out and play the violin, walk up and

00:27:02.380 down the stage.

00:27:04.140 Fine.

00:27:04.700 You do you, sister.

00:27:05.640 I think it's awesome.

00:27:07.200 I don't know why we have to be so holier than thou about everything, right?

00:27:11.860 Like only Megan Rapinoe, she doesn't represent me.

00:27:14.400 She hates America and has purple hair.

00:27:16.140 One thing I'd say, you know, we talk about cultural Marxism on the right and people are

00:27:19.920 now looking at critical race theory as, as essentially a racial Marxist construct, right?

00:27:25.980 And critical race theory, Megan, you know all about this.

00:27:28.900 I know you do play.

00:27:29.820 You guys actually have kids.

00:27:30.960 It's being taught in schools everywhere.

00:27:32.580 What is really the essence of these beliefs?

00:27:34.380 I mean, it's not actually Marxist, right?

00:27:36.620 It's not Marxist doctrine, but it takes the idea that any inequality in society of any

00:27:42.600 kind is a cause for concern, for agitation and for transfer of power.

00:27:48.820 That's what it's really all about.

00:27:50.180 Now, in the classical Marxist context, it's obviously between the proletariat and bourgeoisie,

00:27:54.140 just class warfare effectively.

00:27:55.960 Now we see this in the context of racial differences and strife that's being played upon by activists

00:28:04.180 and BLM and all the rest of it.

00:28:06.320 And they say there's inequality and that they'll pick different, you know, ethnic categorizations

00:28:09.900 and say, because this is the case and there is an unequal, and this is why they talk about

00:28:14.060 equity, an unequal situation, it must be addressed with force.

00:28:18.580 And I'm pointing this out because once you believe in a kind of radical equality for everything

00:28:23.940 always, then you believe that men and women should play on the same sports team and use

00:28:27.840 the same bathrooms.

00:28:28.880 Then you believe that even elevating people because they happen to be particularly beautiful

00:28:34.520 or particularly intelligent or whatever it may be, that's something that has to be remedied

00:28:39.340 instead of celebrated.

00:28:40.900 And this is, unfortunately, what you see is there's a lot of politics of envy that are

00:28:46.320 very, very powerful.

00:28:47.700 When you tell people who feel like they're not getting, you know, they're not validated

00:28:53.100 in the way they may be, well, there's something wrong with this systemically, whatever it's

00:28:58.620 about class or race or gender or beauty or whatever it is, there's always this impulse to set

00:29:05.220 that right and to make everybody, everyone has to be on the same plane and you pull people

00:29:09.580 down. Now, this is dizzying and it's contradictory and it makes no sense.

00:29:14.220 But when you understand that basic impulse, you see how it plays out all throughout society,

00:29:19.660 certainly in the gender context, but also now, I mean, you know, they got rid of the

00:29:23.060 bikini thing in Miss America.

00:29:24.680 It's a beauty contest, folks.

00:29:26.220 Like you start to look at this and say, you know, don't have a beauty contest then, but

00:29:30.340 don't call a beauty contest something that it's not.

00:29:32.580 Exactly.

00:29:33.280 I love what you said, the politics of envy.

00:29:35.740 That's exactly right.

00:29:36.940 It's like, why can't we focus on being more inclusive?

00:29:40.580 That's fine.

00:29:41.420 I mean, I think I think it's awesome.

00:29:43.120 I don't know whether Victoria's Secret sold bras in the size 14.

00:29:47.000 And if they didn't, then screw them.

00:29:48.400 They ought to write every every size can be sexy and every woman should be entitled to

00:29:53.160 sort of bring it in and, you know, do what she wants to do.

00:29:56.440 But like the rejection of a sexy line of clothing in favor of whatever they're about to do, it

00:30:03.820 seems unnecessary.

00:30:04.600 That's not feminist.

00:30:06.100 That's not empowering.

00:30:07.460 But you're right.

00:30:07.980 The politics of envy, it lines up perfectly with this perfect this this perfect equality

00:30:12.980 utopia that we will never achieve, but that they we hear the left lecture us on out of

00:30:18.820 respect.

00:30:19.360 We need to respect one another.

00:30:21.640 Back to my trip to Disney.

00:30:23.200 This brings up something that I wanted to ask you guys about, which was me on the plane.

00:30:26.980 I went to Disney.

00:30:28.560 Florida's amazing.

00:30:29.540 Nobody wears the masks.

00:30:30.400 I go to Disney day two and day one and two.

00:30:33.240 I had to wear the mask.

00:30:33.980 And then by day three, it just happened to be the day that Disney dropped the mask mandate.

00:30:38.140 So we were running around Disney without masks.

00:30:39.740 It was wonderful.

00:30:40.580 Then I get on the plane Delta to fly home and we got to wear the masks everywhere in the

00:30:45.460 airport.

00:30:45.700 We got to wear the masks on the airplane.

00:30:47.500 And not only that, but you know how you get some people who are more like strict about

00:30:52.080 enforcing the mask over the nose than others.

00:30:54.560 I mean, the flight attendants, it was like over the nose, over the nose.

00:30:57.660 You know, even my kids, it was like, oh, good God.

00:30:59.740 And it was because why?

00:31:01.020 Because Pete Buttigieg came out or he's now I mean, like he's running transportation for

00:31:07.040 the Biden administration.

00:31:08.080 That makes a lot of sense because he was mayor of Indiana or Indianapolis, wherever he was.

00:31:13.960 South Bend, not even a big city in Indiana.

00:31:17.240 And not a well-managed one of that, by the way, I can't keep up.

00:31:22.180 And I don't actually really care, but it's showing.

00:31:25.400 And he comes out and says, the reason we have to wear them still in the airports and

00:31:29.080 the planes is because, quote, the workers there, the flight attendants don't have a

00:31:34.500 choice and, quote, it's a matter of respect.

00:31:38.600 And now, thanks to him, the mask mandate says you have to wear your mask in between bites

00:31:43.580 and sips of your food.

00:31:47.240 We've lost our minds.

00:31:50.400 Nothing makes my head explode more than the mask religion.

00:31:53.300 But I don't want to I play and I have been on this since the very beginning.

00:31:56.380 Oh, I mean, I'm so thankful that I live in Tennessee where basically masks have been,

00:32:00.980 you know, other than the cosmetic theater of having the most absurd of all of the mask

00:32:05.120 requirements to me.

00:32:06.120 And we still had to do this little kabuki theater in New York last week when Buck and

00:32:10.440 I were out to dinner in Manhattan.

00:32:14.180 Like, you have to put on a mask to walk into a restaurant to sit at your table.

00:32:20.000 As soon as you sit down at the table, you can take it off.

00:32:23.520 Like, that is of all the rules that have existed.

00:32:26.600 It is like the dumbest rule that has ever existed.

00:32:29.640 I was like, oh, well, thank God.

00:32:30.960 I protected everyone for my 10-foot walk to my table the minute that I sit down.

00:32:36.140 Like, this is not real.

00:32:37.660 Like, this is so stupid.

00:32:39.020 And the same thing is true, to your point, Megan.

00:32:41.400 Like, the two states that I've spent the most time in for the last year are Tennessee and

00:32:45.380 Florida.

00:32:45.660 And so, the idea that you have to wear, in Tennessee, there are no masks anywhere.

00:32:51.960 And then you go into the Nashville airport, where I live, and you have to put your mask

00:32:56.940 on and you get lectured if you put it down.

00:32:59.240 You have to keep it on.

00:33:00.220 And if you're eating peanuts and having a drink of water, you have to put your mask back

00:33:04.000 up in between your bites.

00:33:05.460 I mean, this is not how sane people make decisions, right?

00:33:10.980 The thing about the mask up and down in between the bites and the sips, like, I got a glass of

00:33:15.620 red wine.

00:33:16.040 I just kept it.

00:33:16.800 I just held it nearby.

00:33:18.600 I'm sipping.

00:33:19.560 I'm about to do it.

00:33:20.560 And then I'm like, what am I doing?

00:33:22.680 And I'm like, well, what if I just don't listen?

00:33:26.000 Then I'm going to be one of those people who winds up in a viral video.

00:33:28.080 They're going to arrest you when you land, and you won't be able to fly whatever airline

00:33:32.880 that is again.

00:33:33.560 I've been saying, Megan, for nine months now, maybe, that it's a mass anxiety disorder.

00:33:40.240 And I will say, Clay and I were talking about masks.

00:33:42.800 Clay, when were you on my radio show?

00:33:43.980 But I think we were both like, what's with the mask thing?

00:33:46.880 Maybe in April of 2020.

00:33:49.760 So some of us-

00:33:50.660 As soon as it started, I was like, this is nonsensical.

00:33:53.940 I mean, look, to Megan's point, I didn't ever want to be the guy who got arrested because

00:33:59.000 I threw a fit because I didn't want to put a mask on to go into Costco or whatever, right?

00:34:04.020 I would do it.

00:34:05.040 I would put it in my pocket.

00:34:06.420 I would put it on if I had to go into a store or whatever.

00:34:08.920 I'd drive around like a lot of people, I imagine, with a mask on my dashboard so I could grab

00:34:14.700 it and put it on if I needed to.

00:34:16.340 But it never made any sense.

00:34:17.640 And it was totally illogical.

00:34:18.940 And Buck and I had been saying this from the get-go long before it was even acceptable,

00:34:23.480 almost, to be saying.

00:34:24.380 This was the most damaging thing, I think, early on for Fauci's credibility.

00:34:27.800 I've been like the anti-Fauci for over a year now.

00:34:31.460 And everyone who knows me or listens to my show, even when people were like, give him a chance,

00:34:35.680 it's tough, he's like, no, you can't trust this guy.

00:34:38.500 I know this mentality.

00:34:39.980 I've worked in the federal government.

00:34:41.720 Anybody who has the job that he's had, as long as he's had it, is the ultimate product

00:34:46.340 of the system and is a bureaucrat in a lab coat.

00:34:50.240 And that's what you got with Fauci.

00:34:51.540 There's no way, Megan, that you would have a guy basically mock the idea, and he did this

00:34:57.140 on national TV, as you know, of mask wearing.

00:34:59.640 And then a month later, it's, this is the most important thing we can do to control the pandemic.

00:35:03.900 If you look at the predictions that they were making about how effective masks would be,

00:35:08.660 and anyone with, you know, a search engine can do this, in June of 2020, in July of 2020,

00:35:13.520 70% reduction in cases, you know, 80% reduction in cases and deaths.

00:35:18.160 It was completely out of control.

00:35:19.860 So much so that I knew that when we went through the winter wave, there was going to be a whole

00:35:24.940 change in the narrative.

00:35:25.820 So I actually, and people can check this, I have tweets months before Fauci declared

00:35:30.700 double masking, if you were serious about the virus, you had to double mask, I was tweeting

00:35:35.000 out, just give it time.

00:35:36.240 They're going to say you have to wear two masks.

00:35:38.400 I remember that.

00:35:39.440 Yeah, you're going to, they're going to say you have to wear N95 masks, which by the way,

00:35:45.040 if you actually look at CDC studies, N95 masks perfectly worn.

00:35:50.040 Like I'm not an anti-science lunatic.

00:35:52.320 I actually read this stuff.

00:35:53.560 N95 masks perfectly worn in a clinical setting, probably do considerably reduce respiratory

00:35:59.640 droplets to spread of a virus.

00:36:01.620 A bandana loosely draped around your face in between sips of Chardonnay is completely and

00:36:08.920 utterly absurd.

00:36:10.420 And anyone kind of knows it, but we've been running a Milgram experiment here.

00:36:14.860 I mean, we've been, we basically had Fauci in a lab coat telling us, electrocute these

00:36:19.360 people and it'll protect you from COVID and they do it except instead of electrocuting

00:36:23.600 people, Megan, they're lecturing you on how you have to mask up your eight-year-old or

00:36:26.720 your 10-year-old or whatever.

00:36:28.060 Yep.

00:36:28.480 And he, he doesn't acknowledge really, you know, it's like he's, he's starting to pay

00:36:33.200 some lip service to the lab leak.

00:36:35.780 I don't, I don't even, I don't know if we call it a theory anymore.

00:36:38.460 It's definitely the most likely way we got this virus in the world, but he doesn't acknowledge

00:36:42.340 that, you know, what the failings of the scientific community and allowing any discussion

00:36:46.240 of that and the thing that made all the news late last week was Jon Stewart going on Colbert.

00:36:51.820 Now, listen, I know people are praising Jon Stewart and I'm glad he did his little bit

00:36:55.340 with Colbert who looked like an idiot, just trying to deny it and, you know, sort of reassure

00:36:59.540 his audience.

00:37:00.140 No, wait, wait, wait.

00:37:00.940 I'm with you.

00:37:01.520 I don't know what Jon's saying.

00:37:02.680 I don't give him that much credit.

00:37:03.780 Jon Stewart, I believe has been a force for evil in this country.

00:37:06.620 He, he's never seen a Republican he likes.

00:37:09.300 This guy is a dishonest broker.

00:37:11.280 Every once in a while he stumbles upon an acorn, right?

00:37:13.820 And, and says something that's fair to the other side.

00:37:16.240 He hates everyone in the right half of this country.

00:37:20.200 I mean, I, I've been delighted he's been off the air personally and trust me because I

00:37:25.200 have been the victim of his dishonesty many times and I can't stand him.

00:37:29.920 So yeah, I appreciate him going on Colbert show and saying it's obviously a lab leak is

00:37:35.260 basically what he said, but even though the press turned on him, Washington Post, Paul

00:37:39.500 Waldman, who's a moron.

00:37:40.840 This guy worked for media matters for five years and now he's this major columnist at the

00:37:45.180 Washington Post.

00:37:46.000 He said that Stewart's rant, his rant was a reminder.

00:37:50.160 Don't rely on celebrities for information on COVID-19.

00:37:54.100 Tell it to your own side, Paul, right?

00:37:56.240 You guys are the ones who are putting out these PSAs on vaccines, starring Hollywood celebrities

00:38:01.140 and doing all these primetime specials with celebrities telling us that we need to get the

00:38:05.560 vaccine and so on.

00:38:06.700 He goes on and said, they're, they're not experts.

00:38:08.500 And the reason we listen to experts is that they know more than we do.

00:38:12.220 Really?

00:38:12.880 Like Dr. Fauci, right?

00:38:14.860 How about, how about this, Paul?

00:38:16.760 How about the former director of the CDC, Redfield, who came out and criticized the scientific

00:38:22.100 community for shutting down the lab leak theory, something the Washington Post ignored.

00:38:26.420 Should we listen to that expert?

00:38:28.000 How about, or should it just be somebody from media matters who wants to reject the science

00:38:31.800 when it's staring us in our faces?

00:38:33.340 I think the thing that stands out to me twofold here, one, Jon Stewart's take was interesting.

00:38:40.060 The laughter was the most interesting to me because that huge Stephen Colbert audience,

00:38:45.980 it was as if they were having to recognize the absurdity of the arguments that they've been

00:38:51.360 making against the lab leak theory.

00:38:54.440 And they're basically laughing at themselves because I will say about Jon Stewart, if he had

00:38:59.160 said that a year ago, they would have labeled him all right.

00:39:02.480 They would have labeled him, they wouldn't have aired it on CBS.

00:39:06.120 Facebook wouldn't have allowed that clip to be distributed.

00:39:08.980 That would have taken exactly real courage.

00:39:11.180 To me, what Jon Stewart represents is now it's safe to kind of stick your head out and

00:39:16.440 make this joke a year ago, even though the data hasn't changed, you wouldn't have been

00:39:20.280 able to.

00:39:21.140 The second part of what you're talking about that I think is very significant here is we're

00:39:26.880 in such a polarized universe.

00:39:28.360 I wish we could go back in time when Dr. Fauci, as Buck is talking about, came out and said,

00:39:35.780 masks don't work, basically.

00:39:37.320 There's no reason you should be wearing them.

00:39:39.000 The Surgeon General said all that.

00:39:41.100 What if Trump had been a huge mask guy at that point in time?

00:39:45.600 Now, it would have gone against everything Trump represents.

00:39:48.480 But what if he had been like, I know the experts are saying no on masks, but I just think masks

00:39:53.980 make a ton of sense and I'm going to encourage everyone to wear them with the left wing in

00:39:59.500 this country have ever embraced the mask if Trump had rejected Fauci back in March and

00:40:06.100 his own Surgeon General and said, masks to me make sense.

00:40:10.420 I would love to see the way that that would have exploded on the world if Trump had been

00:40:16.440 a huge mask guy, right?

00:40:17.960 Just because would they then have ever become the symbol of the resistance or the symbol

00:40:23.600 of science like they have?

00:40:25.020 Because Trump was right about schools needing to reopen, right?

00:40:28.840 But as soon as he said schools need to reopen, we can do it safely, which all the data has

00:40:33.600 supported he was right on.

00:40:35.340 All the teachers unions and everybody on the left wing was like, well, there's no way we

00:40:39.280 could come back.

00:40:39.840 Even though the pediatricians all came out and said back in June of last year, it's like

00:40:45.580 nobody wants to remember it.

00:40:47.200 Science actually said kids need to be in school.

00:40:49.840 Trump was on the side of science there and the story just disappeared.

00:40:53.520 I love the hypocrisy of don't listen to celebrity.

00:40:56.800 They're not experts.

00:40:58.440 Why don't you tell it to Stephen Colbert, who you lionized, to Jimmy Kimmel, to Sarah Silverman,

00:41:04.140 to Jane Fonda.

00:41:05.020 The left loves to lionize these celebrities, not normal left people, but the capitalists.

00:41:09.840 Capital L left.

00:41:11.400 And now when one goes off the rails and says something true about the lab leak theory,

00:41:16.540 it's we don't listen to celebrities.

00:41:19.520 We listen to scientists.

00:41:22.220 But again, even Redfield is out there saying, yeah, your Fauci seems to be a little enamored

00:41:26.680 with his old hypothesis.

00:41:27.700 I think that the soundbite was he's holding on to his old hypothesis tightly, meaning he

00:41:32.500 doesn't want to accept the lab leak theory.

00:41:34.360 But it's just to me, it's it's funny, but it's also just stomach turning to see.

00:41:39.320 And by the way, I do want to say Jon Stewart's done good things for the vets that I appreciate.

00:41:43.120 But I just net net his career.

00:41:45.180 The guy's a jerk.

00:41:46.640 And and they get away with it.

00:41:47.760 Right.

00:41:47.940 Because like Fauci, he can give a little lip service to like that theory.

00:41:51.600 I've never shot anything down.

00:41:53.020 And the left's like, yeah, us either.

00:41:54.640 You know, no, we get it.

00:41:55.740 We're open minded problem that they have with what he said isn't really about the status

00:42:02.060 of the facts right now, because anybody who reads the news at all, I mean, even a passing

00:42:07.240 familiarity knows that the preponderance of the evidence right now is clearly in favor

00:42:11.980 of a lab leak theory.

00:42:12.940 I mean, anyone who actually so so then why was why would that that schmuck from Media

00:42:18.120 Matters or now The Washington Post you brought up, why would he feel the need to immediately

00:42:22.460 jump in and be like, well, don't listen to Jon Stewart?

00:42:25.820 It was because Jon Stewart was mocking this idea.

00:42:29.900 And there's a real sensitivity on the left and among Democrats to mockery in general.

00:42:36.640 I mean, I would argue they've largely destroyed comedy.

00:42:39.320 I mean, they've made it so that you really can't make jokes.

00:42:41.920 Only they can ridicule the other side.

00:42:44.200 They're hypersensitive about these things because they became so emotionally and personally

00:42:49.620 invested in their COVID approach.

00:42:52.300 I mean, I live in a building in New York, Megan, where there were people.

00:42:55.480 And I mean, I still I wish I would start taking photos, but I didn't want to be accused of

00:42:59.180 of COVID shaming or anything.

00:43:01.300 There were people who were wearing hazmat suits like head to toe plastic with the face

00:43:06.140 in my building to go outside for the first six months of the pandemic.

00:43:10.360 Probably also, Buck, people who were young doing that, right?

00:43:14.240 Like who had zero statistical risk.

00:43:16.580 They were they were in their 30s.

00:43:17.920 I mean, I know who they are.

00:43:19.020 Zero risk.

00:43:19.780 So, yeah.

00:43:20.520 I mean, like the chance of them legitimately, the chance of them dying from this is substantially

00:43:25.560 less than every time they're like getting into a car.

00:43:28.340 So, you know, you see this, though, that there's the left wants to there are two big concerns

00:43:33.180 that I have here and I'm somebody who, if anything, I've been yelled at by people on

00:43:37.720 my own side for talking about masks and lockdowns too much.

00:43:40.620 Any traces of Fauci is I'm kind of like a virus that hasn't really exited your system might

00:43:45.380 be able to make a comeback.

00:43:46.440 I think it actually will make it come back.

00:43:49.080 I think they're getting ready to use the same mass mobilization against the virus for

00:43:54.420 other social issues.

00:43:56.120 We've people have talked to this a little bit, whether it's climate change as the as the

00:43:59.420 emergency or gun violence or whatever.

00:44:02.080 They like this mass mobilization and ability to tell people when they can leave their homes.

00:44:07.760 I mean, they have to wear a stifling piece of cloth over their face all the time, and

00:44:12.700 which, as we all know, got got really absurd.

00:44:14.880 But they don't like the mockery component of this because so much of what they did was

00:44:20.220 really stupid.

00:44:21.500 And they were yelling the science the whole time to the point where now when you yell the

00:44:25.520 science, it's like a joke, right?

00:44:27.160 Everyone understands that.

00:44:28.140 And I just want to throw into all this, too.

00:44:31.160 The blue check medical community has ruined the public's perception of medical expertise

00:44:37.060 for a long time to come.

00:44:38.940 And the real moment of transition in this perception was when and I still I screenshotted

00:44:45.620 some of these tweets.

00:44:46.480 I'm Clay.

00:44:46.840 I'm sure you remember this one, too.

00:44:48.440 When the original BLM riots start still early in the pandemic.

00:44:52.260 And they're saying you can't protest lockdowns, but people protesting against police violence,

00:44:58.360 they're saving lives.

00:44:59.360 We're OK with that.

00:45:00.380 Big groups.

00:45:01.040 Go for it.

00:45:01.560 Spit on each other.

00:45:02.380 Scream in public.

00:45:03.140 Whatever you got to do.

00:45:03.840 I loved that because it just illuminated the hypocrisy to such a large extent as if the

00:45:09.820 virus makes a decision whether to spread or not based on the intent of the people who

00:45:13.880 are gathering in groups.

00:45:14.860 Right.

00:45:15.180 So I used to go to my radio show.

00:45:16.900 Yeah.

00:45:17.280 I would go to my radio show and say, hey, why can't we have full football stadiums then

00:45:21.200 and just say instead of, you know, instead of going to a football game, we're just attending

00:45:25.620 a protest against the visiting team.

00:45:27.500 Oh, right.

00:45:27.900 We're all there to root against them.

00:45:29.240 Right.

00:45:29.660 Oh, I go like I go out on the street without my mask on.

00:45:32.580 People would look at me.

00:45:33.260 I'd be like BLM.

00:45:36.420 Up next, Abigail Schreier.

00:45:38.040 You know her.

00:45:38.600 She has written an in-depth piece called When the State Comes for Your Kids.

00:45:43.980 And it is downright chilling about what's happening to parents now who seek help from the medical

00:45:50.720 community when it comes to a transgender child.

00:45:53.100 You need to hear this.

00:45:54.680 I'm going to run it by the guys and we're going to go from there.

00:45:57.400 And also, we're going to talk about their new adventure right after this.

00:46:05.520 Abigail Schreier has a great and disturbing piece out.

00:46:08.800 And, you know, she wrote Irreversible Damage and has been jumping up and down about the

00:46:12.520 transgender craze that's been happening in some pockets, not to diminish it as an actual

00:46:17.000 thing for some people, but it's become a craze for others.

00:46:19.940 And her article is pointing out about how now more and more in the medical community,

00:46:25.340 these therapists will call social services on a parent who refuses to affirm the child's

00:46:34.900 new stated gender.

00:46:37.020 So in one case, there was a mother who was complaining to her own therapist.

00:46:41.240 Oh, my God, my kid.

00:46:42.920 You know, they're saying that they're trans.

00:46:44.320 I don't believe it.

00:46:45.080 And that therapist called the authorities on her for alleged abuse.

00:46:51.360 It's insane.

00:46:52.560 But to your point of the medical community is self-destructing.

00:46:57.940 They're doing this to themselves.

00:47:00.020 My wife gets so fired up about this.

00:47:01.680 You remember when Mario Lopez came out and said, hey, you know, and he had to apologize.

00:47:06.500 But he was like, hey, you know, I don't think six year olds should really be picking their

00:47:09.900 gender.

00:47:11.000 And my wife and then he had to apologize.

00:47:13.200 And my wife lost her mind over that.

00:47:14.600 She's like, we don't let our six year old choose what to eat.

00:47:18.080 Right.

00:47:18.380 He would eat ice cream for every meal.

00:47:21.020 He would never eat candy for everything.

00:47:23.500 And yet we're going to let our six year old tell us what gender he or she is.

00:47:27.960 And we're going to adjust the entire way that we that we raise them.

00:47:32.220 Like, hey, when you become an adult, if it makes you happy, right, to quote Cheryl Crow

00:47:37.940 a little bit and you're a consenting adult, go ahead and do it.

00:47:40.800 Right.

00:47:40.940 You can't be that wrong.

00:47:41.820 I don't think I think most people are of that opinion.

00:47:44.600 The idea that a six year old or a kindergartner is going to be picking their gender and that

00:47:50.420 if you disagree with that as a parent, that you're going to be reported to child services.

00:47:55.460 I mean, this is madness.

00:47:57.100 Somebody was saying at the time on my show, they said something like, how about we wait

00:48:00.820 until they they stop needing the choo choo train sound to get the spoon in their mouth

00:48:05.340 before they make decisions?

00:48:07.100 There's a peer reviewed study.

00:48:08.520 I think it was at a Brown University that looked at the contagion effect.

00:48:13.700 I don't know if you guys remember this, the contagion effect of transgenderism among children

00:48:19.520 under the age of I think it was 12.

00:48:22.180 That might have been 14.

00:48:23.420 And guess what?

00:48:24.460 It turns out when one person in a community, one person in a school comes out at eight or nine

00:48:30.440 as transgender.

00:48:31.700 The effect is there's like a thousands of a percentage chance more that other kids in

00:48:37.860 the class will suddenly decide that they too are transgender.

00:48:41.780 And this created some problems for the movement, so to speak, because you're supposed to believe

00:48:46.500 this is an innate, deeply held characteristic.

00:48:48.920 What do we do?

00:48:50.060 Because it's non-physical, as we know, I keep people.

00:48:52.840 I love when people write to me, they go, you don't understand anything.

00:48:55.460 And they'll talk about what used to be called, I don't know if we're allowed to use the H

00:48:59.420 word anymore, intersex, I believe is the term.

00:49:02.260 It used to be called something else where you have some of the parts of both.

00:49:05.600 That's actually not what transgenderism is.

00:49:07.620 It's entirely a psychological condition.

00:49:10.100 Or psychological affirmation, we're supposed to say now.

00:49:13.580 So what they found is that kids are far more likely to decide they're transgender when

00:49:19.520 another kid nearby that they know is transgender, they pulled that study off the internet entirely,

00:49:26.620 erased it.

00:49:27.140 It's like it never existed, not allowed to look at the data and the numbers, not even

00:49:30.640 allowed to compile them.

00:49:31.660 And I think this just goes to how there's a recognition that unless we can get people

00:49:36.600 to believe that eight-year-olds are already transgender, they're afraid that there'll be

00:49:41.940 a consideration of this as just essentially an adult lifestyle choice thing instead of something

00:49:47.400 that should be treated as an immutable characteristic as a matter of law, and then of course celebrated,

00:49:52.640 which I mean now, I just had breakfast recently with alumni, well, a father and a son from my

00:49:58.680 old high school, and they were telling me about the kind of indoctrination stuff that goes on

00:50:03.360 there.

00:50:03.940 It's not about tolerance.

00:50:05.160 They used the T word tolerance a lot when I was in the school.

00:50:08.020 Now it's celebration.

00:50:09.820 It's about pushing.

00:50:10.820 It's not even celebration.

00:50:12.260 It's about pushing.

00:50:13.180 At our old school, from which we pulled our boys, it was, according to our son, it was

00:50:18.200 every other week they're asking them, do you think you're a boy?

00:50:20.720 Do you guys still think you're boys?

00:50:22.060 Are you like just introducing it like it's something they need to consider?

00:50:26.340 Why don't you shut up and let him learn math?

00:50:28.420 You don't have to talk to him like what?

00:50:30.460 What's next, right?

00:50:31.480 Like it's not for you to start putting that into his head.

00:50:34.920 You teach non-bullying and love and support and non-judgment of others.

00:50:38.240 Great.

00:50:38.580 I'm with you.

00:50:39.140 Stop introducing it to him like it's a change he can select if he wants, especially

00:50:45.280 since most of the experts are saying that if your kid is transgender, nine times out

00:50:49.060 of 10, they know when they're two, right?

00:50:50.900 And I know transgender people.

00:50:52.320 I've said this before.

00:50:52.880 We got them in my family.

00:50:53.960 They knew from the earliest age they can remember.

00:50:56.680 They've lived a tortured life.

00:50:58.400 Most of them who are our age now grew up in a time when this was not OK.

00:51:02.300 So they had to keep it a secret.

00:51:03.320 They remember being three and trying to, you know, wear only the other side's clothes and

00:51:09.460 so on and so forth and then realizing how unacceptable this was.

00:51:12.720 You don't stumble upon it at age 16.

00:51:16.300 What we're seeing, thanks to people like Deborah So and Abigail Schreier, is that social

00:51:20.780 awkwardness, looking for a target, right?

00:51:23.380 Looking for some out that's better than I'm awkward or in some cases even I'm on the

00:51:30.160 spectrum, something that's been sort of judged to be worse, I guess, than than being trans.

00:51:35.540 So you can upgrade to having this sort of sexy, popular thing in some of these cases.

00:51:40.940 I'm not saying in all these cases, but in a lot of these cases, the bottom line is we

00:51:44.740 need to figure it out.

00:51:45.680 We need to be have honest therapists and medical community assistants who will help us

00:51:50.480 and our kids work through it.

00:51:51.520 God forbid it happens because I don't want this to happen to my kid because it's not an

00:51:54.240 easy lifestyle.

00:51:55.460 I would support and love, but I don't I don't wish for it.

00:51:58.200 The study, by the way, was on it was on what's called rapid onset gender dysphoria among

00:52:04.080 children, as in one 10 year old says, I think I'm a girl.

00:52:08.960 And then there is an enormously increased chance that a week later, after all the adults make

00:52:14.180 a big deal of it and, you know, the whole thing, another 10 year old says, I think I'm

00:52:18.380 a girl.

00:52:18.680 They had to pull it.

00:52:19.600 And it's I just checked to make if they pulled it off a Brown University website, and

00:52:23.400 then they put it back up with corrections.

00:52:25.480 Yeah, Lisa Lipman was that was the Brown doctor who put that together.

00:52:29.820 And and then she was she was forced to resubmit it after an additional peer review where she

00:52:35.480 she did not wind up changing her conclusions.

00:52:37.560 She just came under a lot of fire for having made them.

00:52:41.080 And there's only been more evidence to support it since then.

00:52:43.420 And, you know, you can look around, you can see for yourself.

00:52:45.520 You know, it's like in our school, from which our girl, our daughter just left a few years

00:52:50.820 ago in the 10th grade, there was like an outbreak of trance like what happened to one girl and

00:52:55.560 have another girl having another girl.

00:52:57.320 And Abigail Schreier's got some good chapters in her book talking about what you should do

00:53:01.400 if that happens.

00:53:02.080 And it's it's complex because basically it's try to get your child away from that.

00:53:07.920 Right.

00:53:08.080 Like rescue her from this being surrounded by this sort of trans ideology with she thinks

00:53:13.500 this is an option available to her to solve her problems.

00:53:16.100 And, you know, it's hard.

00:53:18.560 I think the challenge in general has to go with just the idea that there are acceptable

00:53:24.400 opinions and unacceptable opinions to have as we debate really difficult choices in society.

00:53:32.420 And when we circumscribe and I'm not talking about just transgender issues or anything else,

00:53:36.700 I'm talking about the way that we respond to COVID.

00:53:39.260 Right.

00:53:40.080 If you circumscribe immediately what the acceptable range of opinions is to have,

00:53:46.100 you end up not allowing the full fruition of the debate to occur.

00:53:51.540 And it drives so much of it underground that there is no ability to make sense.

00:53:56.600 Like when if you were going to debate whether or not masks make sense or whether or not lockdowns

00:54:02.100 make sense or whether or not shutting down schools make sense on the left wing in our country

00:54:07.340 right now, there is a very circumscribed level of debate that you are allowed to have.

00:54:13.300 And that isn't what science represents.

00:54:16.780 Science, much like our national debate, should be robust, uninhibited, and at times provocative

00:54:23.500 because that's how we lead to results that make sense.

00:54:27.840 That's how we reach hypotheses and theories.

00:54:30.640 Science should be messy.

00:54:31.800 And trying to clean it up in the same way, it seems like we're trying to clean up our

00:54:36.840 debates in general, is not overall in a helpful direction that the country is moving.

00:54:42.500 And that's one of the reasons I think Buck and I are so excited about, Megan, having the

00:54:46.600 audience that we're going to have in the Rush Limbaugh time slot to be able to talk, I think,

00:54:51.960 in an intelligent way, in a sort of like oasis in the desert for many people who are a variety

00:54:59.420 of different persuasions, who just feel like there's a tremendous amount of dishonesty in

00:55:04.160 the country today.

00:55:05.360 Yeah, I want to talk to you about that.

00:55:07.060 Can you help me understand?

00:55:08.040 I love that.

00:55:08.620 I love the partnership.

00:55:09.800 I think this is so fun because you're two of my favorite people.

00:55:12.080 But I don't understand because I let me start with this.

00:55:14.240 I've seen a number of people be like, and I'm the new Rush Limbaugh.

00:55:17.620 Like, I am the one who's in Rush Limbaugh's spot.

00:55:21.040 And no, I am.

00:55:22.260 And I'm like, I don't.

00:55:23.800 This seems like the closest thing to actual that we've seen.

00:55:26.980 Like, you guys have, I think, most of his markets.

00:55:29.220 But can you help me understand what is the partnership and how big is it?

00:55:33.720 Because it feels like a big one.

00:55:35.180 I don't like the R word.

00:55:36.120 There's no replacing Rush Limbaugh.

00:55:37.800 No one thinks they're actually replacing Rush Limbaugh.

00:55:40.420 Because you can't, right?

00:55:41.440 I mean, this is, you know, when you have a figure like, who replaced Winston Churchill?

00:55:46.000 Like, ask somebody that, you know, the prime minister of the UK.

00:55:48.540 Some people might say Anthony Eden.

00:55:50.240 But very few people are actually going to know, you know, who, you know what I'm saying?

00:55:53.620 Like, you don't replace just because you come after.

00:55:56.600 We are following Rush into this slot.

00:56:00.140 There are other hosts who are, by the way, friends of mine and great people.

00:56:04.240 I mean, I'm a big Dan Bongino fan.

00:56:06.740 I work closely with and I've known Dana for many years.

00:56:09.060 You know, there are other hosts.

00:56:10.340 And God bless them.

00:56:11.580 And I, they're going to, look, I know they're going to do good shows and they're good people.

00:56:15.060 We are the premier radio, which is what was Rush's syndicator.

00:56:21.140 We're the premier radio offering now going forward in this time slot.

00:56:25.360 And yes, we'll be, Rush had, and, you know, the numbers change so much on these things because

00:56:29.680 there are so many radio stations.

00:56:31.240 Rush had, let's say, over 550 stations, I think, close to 600.

00:56:36.400 Of the stations Rush was on, we'll be on close to 400 of them.

00:56:40.700 So, yes, we're basically on, you know, four sixths of the Rush stations, I'd say.

00:56:46.460 I guess also known as two, also known as two thirds.

00:56:48.760 It's been a while since I've done math.

00:56:50.120 So that's why this is, that's why this is, I think, a little bit confusing for folks.

00:56:55.320 But like I said, I mean, the great thing about Rush is I think of him as like a special forces

00:56:59.900 guy in the media and radio world.

00:57:02.040 He's like a titan that gave a lot of us, he created this industry and created the space

00:57:07.400 for Clay and me and the other hosts who are going to be doing shows at noon to, we need

00:57:13.380 more conservative media.

00:57:14.460 I hate infighting among conservatives over our tiny little slice of the pie.

00:57:20.180 And I mean, Megan, like I always appreciate that when I first poked my head out from the CIA,

00:57:25.280 you know, you were the first person who ever put me in primetime at Fox.

00:57:28.560 Not only do you put me in primetime, you would put me sometimes during terrorism stories

00:57:31.660 and you're a block.

00:57:32.640 And I always appreciated that.

00:57:33.560 You know why?

00:57:34.280 I knew more about terrorism than 95% of the people that were going on TV as experts to

00:57:40.420 talk about it.

00:57:41.040 And you recognize that because I had just come out of that world like months before I was

00:57:45.300 on air with you.

00:57:46.500 I finally got an old enough buck that I can claim credit for some people.

00:57:51.080 Like I, I, I put on Ben Shapiro a lot when people weren't using him.

00:57:54.720 I put on Ben Dominic a lot, but on you, I'm noticing a pattern.

00:57:59.160 Megan liked really, really smart guys.

00:58:00.880 Well, that's exactly right.

00:58:02.140 And gals too.

00:58:03.160 Crystal Ball was another person whose career I, I, I helped build.

00:58:06.440 I love Crystal Ball.

00:58:07.360 She, if you want a really smart leftist, she's top of the list.

00:58:10.640 You know, but that's the thing.

00:58:11.500 If you look for smart people, it's not that hard.

00:58:13.980 Just, just open your, open your mind, listen to what you're hearing and you can find the

00:58:17.880 honest brokers and then you can find the one who are just bombed, bomb throwers.

00:58:20.620 And that's never really been that appealing to me.

00:58:22.320 Just the, if you, if you're both bomb throwy and smart, I'll take you.

00:58:26.420 But if you're just a bomb thrower, it's not my thing.

00:58:28.860 And you've always been so smart.

00:58:30.280 And Clay, I've only stumbled onto in the last two years, but I am a huge Clay Travis fan.

00:58:36.060 Huge.

00:58:36.840 I think I love the way your mind works on so many levels, Clay.

00:58:39.840 And I'm just like thrilled that I am not alone and that you're getting a bigger platform and

00:58:44.440 that more people are going to be exposed to your ideas.

00:58:46.540 So can you explain to me, because I saw something from you, Clay, saying that you guys have been

00:58:51.020 doing like test shows and you've been, so how long has it been in the works?

00:58:55.820 Yeah.

00:58:56.040 So I'm super excited about this.

00:58:57.560 I mean, we have been, Buck and I have, and he may know dates better than me, but we were

00:59:03.640 very excited that the news broke through the way that we wanted the news to break because

00:59:08.600 for several weeks in advance of the news coming out, and I think it came out mid-May was the

00:59:14.180 official, maybe early May, was when the news officially came out.

00:59:19.400 And we started doing sort of, I wouldn't say full shows, but sort of mock-ups of what the show

00:59:25.380 would sound like privately for an audience of just a few of the premier executives that were putting

00:59:31.940 us together.

00:59:33.140 And with the first show that we did, I was like, yeah, we're ready to go.

00:59:38.360 And so there's been so much prep, and you can imagine behind the scenes work and everything

00:59:42.940 else, I'm just ready to sit down in front of the mic and start talking.

00:59:46.780 And I think that what we will have, some people hearing this on Monday will hear us later this

00:59:53.100 week because we'll be officially underway.

00:59:55.200 I think what we're going to have is the smartest show in radio.

01:00:00.880 And that doesn't mean you're always going to agree with us.

01:00:03.840 That doesn't mean that you're not sometimes going to hear our opinions and be like, oh,

01:00:06.840 these guys are idiots.

01:00:07.760 These guys are imbeciles.

01:00:08.660 I disagree with them completely.

01:00:09.800 I think what we're going to have is a real interesting discussion about the major issues

01:00:15.940 that are confronting this country every day.

01:00:17.860 And they can be in the world of politics, current events, sometimes sports will overlap,

01:00:22.020 pop culture, because everything is political in some way right now.

01:00:27.420 And what I found, Megan, with my show, I did sports talk radio for six years.

01:00:32.780 And I just, I couldn't pass up the opportunity when Julie Talbot, who does an incredible job running

01:00:37.860 everything at Premier, came to us and said, hey, we want you guys to take over the time slot of Rush

01:00:43.960 that Premier has been distributed for so long.

01:00:46.840 And we did sports on my radio show without sports for months.

01:00:51.920 And Megan, our audience skyrocketed.

01:00:54.680 And it was because we were talking about how to get back, analyzing COVID and everything else.

01:00:58.600 I just feel like there is a desperate demand.

01:01:02.440 And I talk about this with Buck, and I'll say it a lot on our radio show, too.

01:01:06.000 I don't even focus so much on Democrat, Republican anymore, independent, whatever people's politics

01:01:10.400 are.

01:01:11.140 They're sane and there's insane.

01:01:13.540 And I'm not sure that there's ever been a time when there has been more insane beliefs.

01:01:19.120 We're talking about the mask.

01:01:20.260 I mean, that in many ways, mask policy is all insane.

01:01:23.600 Defunding the police is legitimately insane.

01:01:25.600 Much of the bona fides of the far left wing in this country right now are legitimately insane.

01:01:33.320 And I think we need to be punching back.

01:01:36.340 Big finish next.

01:01:37.460 Don't go away.

01:01:41.980 On television, all there really is is Fox.

01:01:44.160 I mean, you've got other sort of smaller players, but really, that's all there is.

01:01:47.760 And so, like, if you want something else, you know, some other voice, you should have more

01:01:53.180 than one option.

01:01:53.880 That's one of the reasons why I think radio, podcasting, the digital media world has exploded

01:02:00.660 with more right-leaning commentators because people are desperate for it.

01:02:04.520 And while they may be locked out from getting it on linear television or cable television,

01:02:07.780 for the most part, they're not locked out of this world.

01:02:10.600 And there's a huge, huge audience.

01:02:12.260 My husband's an author.

01:02:13.820 He was just telling me that there's going to be another conservative publishing house coming

01:02:17.820 out.

01:02:18.160 They came out.

01:02:18.720 There's Regnery right now.

01:02:19.880 And there's another one coming out and saying, we're going to do it, too.

01:02:22.320 Good for them.

01:02:22.920 There's a market.

01:02:23.900 Half the country wants that.

01:02:25.880 So I'm sure it's going to be a huge success.

01:02:28.020 I think it's even more than half the country, Megan.

01:02:29.940 And what I would say is one of the things that's so attractive about radio is in this

01:02:33.960 big tech universe where they can decide, hey, we're going to throttle down your tweets.

01:02:38.380 We're not going to allow your videos to be shared on Facebook.

01:02:41.260 We're not going to allow your articles.

01:02:42.540 I see this all the time happen at OutKick.

01:02:45.460 To know that you're able to directly talk to the public through the radio, arguably in

01:02:50.260 our big tech era in our social media space, radio and podcasting, to your point, audio

01:02:55.840 is so much more important than it ever has been before because you can go direct to your

01:03:00.160 audience without the ability to be curtailed or canceled.

01:03:03.520 And Julie Talbot is awesome.

01:03:05.720 And I know her a bit and has stuck by Rush all these years, even when he got himself

01:03:10.140 in some hot water.

01:03:10.980 So you've got, you know, a strong, a steely spined person behind you.

01:03:15.960 And that's everything.

01:03:17.740 I got to ask you, Clay, about Fox and what's happening with OutKick.

01:03:22.020 Did you did you now, you know, I'm not a sports person, but I do go to OutKick.

01:03:25.840 I do because I want to hear you and I like Bobby.

01:03:29.140 So what's what's happening now?

01:03:30.780 Have you sold OutKick to Murdoch or like what's happened?

01:03:35.500 Yeah, the Fox people.

01:03:37.600 So we had a lot of people trying to buy OutKick.

01:03:39.660 I think I talked about that with you maybe a little while ago.

01:03:42.760 The last time I was on.

01:03:44.120 Yeah, it wasn't a deal yet, though.

01:03:45.920 Yeah, it wasn't a deal yet.

01:03:47.020 There were a lot of people that were that were making inquiries.

01:03:50.640 And ultimately, the pitch that Fox put in front of us was just so substantial in terms of being

01:03:56.980 able to put jet fuel on OutKick.

01:03:59.880 And this kind of goes to the point earlier with so much of our audience is reliant on Facebook

01:04:04.840 or Twitter or YouTube, being able to distribute our content.

01:04:08.620 And the more and more I looked at it, we needed a big partner to ensure that we didn't get

01:04:15.520 silenced and we didn't get canceled.

01:04:17.900 And so I thought about this a lot.

01:04:19.840 But ultimately, it made the most sense.

01:04:22.100 And look, I'm still going to be running OutKick the same way that for the next five years or

01:04:26.940 more.

01:04:27.340 I'm the president of OutKick, driving all the editorial decision making, doing things that we

01:04:31.960 ordinarily would be doing.

01:04:34.040 But Fox basically said, hey, we think what you're doing at OutKick sort of links the sports world

01:04:40.220 with the Fox News universe.

01:04:42.920 You are a bridge between those two parts of Fox.

01:04:45.980 And what they sold us on was something that made a lot of sense, not just in sports and

01:04:52.940 not just in politics.

01:04:54.020 We focus a lot on sports gambling.

01:04:55.880 And for people who haven't checked it out, check out OutKick.com.

01:04:58.740 It's a fun place to hang out.

01:05:00.660 And I think they're the perfect partner.

01:05:02.540 So I couldn't say no.

01:05:03.420 They kept coming back to me.

01:05:04.520 And finally, I said, you know, this is just too good of an opportunity.

01:05:08.540 Well, to the same point, right?

01:05:10.060 It's like, I really, I think the world of Lachlan Murdoch, and I think he's been fantastic.

01:05:14.860 He would never cut and run.

01:05:16.520 Never.

01:05:16.980 And we need more bosses like that out there, you know, not that he's your boss, but I'm

01:05:20.160 just saying like, we need more partners like that.

01:05:22.660 He got on and said that.

01:05:23.720 He said, look, I love what you're doing at OutKick.

01:05:26.120 You know how difficult it can be sometimes to fight these battles with advertisers and with

01:05:30.340 the big tech companies and everybody else.

01:05:32.280 And he basically said, hey, I want to have your back for years and years to come and grow OutKick

01:05:36.400 into a massive thing.

01:05:38.060 Yeah.

01:05:38.420 Now, let's see if he means it the way Jeff Zuck.

01:05:40.700 Let's see if he loves you the way Jeff Zuck loves Jeffrey Toobin.

01:05:44.140 Well, if you can get that kind of love from him.

01:05:46.800 Yeah, no kidding.

01:05:47.740 Really?

01:05:49.180 Fuck.

01:05:49.780 Don't ever let Clay do that on a Zoom.

01:05:52.060 Or in studio.

01:05:53.320 Don't worry.

01:05:53.700 I'm like the chaperone of this duo, making sure that Clay doesn't get too out of hand.

01:05:58.900 Listen, I think it's so great.

01:06:00.400 It's brilliant because you guys are smart.

01:06:01.760 You're insightful.

01:06:02.580 You're fun.

01:06:03.480 And I'm looking forward to listening.

01:06:05.280 And as you know, all the best.

01:06:07.060 Come on anytime.

01:06:07.780 Please don't abandon me because I love having you both on.

01:06:10.100 And I'll be listening.

01:06:10.980 No, we need to get you on the show, too.

01:06:12.480 It'll be fun.

01:06:13.000 We'll have you on.

01:06:13.600 Yeah, Megan.

01:06:13.940 Wait, wait, wait.

01:06:14.360 Yeah, this is a two-way street.

01:06:15.640 When's Megan coming on the biggest radio show in America?

01:06:18.520 Anytime.

01:06:19.460 And I'm going to wear the old Victoria's Secret stuff.

01:06:22.600 And everyone's going to say, oh, for the love of God, cover up, woman.

01:06:28.140 That'll be fantastic.

01:06:29.340 Megan, appreciate it.

01:06:30.120 Well, that was fun.

01:06:34.920 Those guys are going to do great.

01:06:36.220 I want to mention to you that one of the reasons I went down to Florida, it wasn't all a pleasure,

01:06:40.640 although what I did professionally was a pleasure, too, is I spoke to a group called Moms for Liberty.

01:06:47.260 You guys need to check out this group.

01:06:48.900 Go ahead and Google them if you're not familiar with them already, because I'm already seeing them pop up in different signatures and different movements around the country.

01:06:55.980 And it's a it's a growing group started by two moms down in Florida who had had about enough of the indoctrination that we've been seeing in schools and got on the school board and tried to push for change that way and ran into brick walls.

01:07:10.420 Even in Florida, it's more red.

01:07:12.480 It's more purple, really, to be honest.

01:07:14.400 Even in a state like that, you can run into pushback when it comes to things like pushing back against critical race theory and indoctrination on gender issues, yada, yada.

01:07:22.560 Anyway, so they were gracious enough to host me down in Orlando, Florida, just outside of Orlando for for a bit on last Friday.

01:07:30.060 And I had such a great time.

01:07:32.180 It is so nice to get around people who are fighting the same battles you are and who aren't always on the other side.

01:07:40.140 Right. It's like that's what I'm used to being around people who don't agree with me.

01:07:43.980 So that's OK, too. There's merit to it.

01:07:46.580 But it's wonderful to see such an active, engaged group fighting for the things that I happen to believe in, too.

01:07:53.840 And so if you don't already know who they are, check it out, because this is something that you could actually join.

01:07:58.520 They have a mission and they have chapters all over the country now, and they will help you figure out how to affect change in your town.

01:08:06.440 These women have been marginalized.

01:08:08.120 They've been called names.

01:08:08.840 They've had actually horrible stuff done to them.

01:08:11.120 They just will not give up.

01:08:12.160 Two moms, Tiffany Justice and Tina Deskovich.

01:08:15.740 I apologize to Tina if that's not how you pronounce the last name.

01:08:19.000 I could have screwed that up.

01:08:19.940 But it's Tiffany and Tina, and they are forces with which to be reckoned.

01:08:25.740 Anyway, they've got chapters all over the country.

01:08:28.060 And if you are somebody, it doesn't have to be a mom, could be a dad, too.

01:08:31.160 But if you are somebody who's struggling with what to do in your child's school district, check them out.

01:08:36.320 It's momsforliberty.org.

01:08:37.960 Great place to start in fighting back.

01:08:40.300 All right, coming up next show, do not forget to tune in because we have got Gad Saad.

01:08:44.820 I love that name, right?

01:08:45.740 It's fun.

01:08:46.120 Gad Saad.

01:08:46.940 Now, he is an evolutionary behavioral scientist.

01:08:51.440 But I first got to know him when he published The Parasitic Mind, How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense.

01:08:58.480 You need to read this book.

01:08:59.820 But start by listening to Gad, and then you can decide for yourself whether you want more of this brilliant man's thinking in your life.

01:09:06.180 Because I know the answer is going to be yes.

01:09:08.100 Not only is he full of common sense and wisdom and insightful ways of looking at things, but he's funny.

01:09:14.100 Anyway, he's next.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 21, 2021

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on Political Double Standards, COVID Hypocrisy, and Following Rush Limbaugh ｜ Ep. 118

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