The Megyn Kelly Show - Clooney Lectures About Journalism, and Dems Lean on Bernie and AOC, with Ben Shapiro and Stephen A. Smith ｜ Ep. 1033

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.680 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:46.980 I'm back home after a couple of weeks away.

00:00:49.960 You know, in how they say if you're going on vacation with your kids, it's not a vacation.

00:00:54.560 It's a trip. It's a trip.

00:00:56.560 But I'm happy to report that my kids are now officially at the stage where that is no longer true.

00:01:00.620 They are very, very worthy vacation buddies.

00:01:04.060 It takes a while. Like when they're in the single digits, all three of them, that's that.

00:01:07.200 I understand that saying very well.

00:01:09.180 But we've crossed over into true vacation mode, although last week, as you know, was on a vacation.

00:01:15.060 We were working. We were doing the show. We were just doing it from the Bahamas, which was quite nice.

00:01:20.900 There's nothing to complain about.

00:01:22.180 Anyway, it's nice to be home and there's plenty of news to keep us propelling forward.

00:01:26.620 The Democratic Democratic Party is in shambles. I don't know if you saw this anywhere.

00:01:31.720 Yeah, it's it's in shambles. Like you cannot open up a paper, the Internet, your podcast feed without seeing a show talking to you about how badly it has imploded.

00:01:41.960 According to the polls, according to the party elders, according to surveys that are figuring out why they lost.

00:01:49.280 And it's just basically abject hatred by Democrats of their own party.

00:01:54.060 I mean, it's just it's just good luck.

00:01:58.520 I wish you well.

00:01:59.560 Also in the news, Tim Walls trashing Elon Musk.

00:02:03.700 We talked about that late last week.

00:02:05.560 Now he's pretending it was all a big joke.

00:02:08.020 He wasn't really celebrating the downfall of Tesla stock.

00:02:11.960 That was all just Tim Walls being super funny.

00:02:14.440 Maybe you missed it.

00:02:15.840 Bernie Sanders and AOC on a socialism tour out west.

00:02:20.600 And apparently it's going over big.

00:02:22.660 Their sort of pocket of the Democratic Party is the only one that's left standing.

00:02:26.860 Unfortunately for them, it's a very, very small slice of their party.

00:02:30.700 But within it, their stars.

00:02:32.440 And now we get a lecture on journalism.

00:02:35.380 In fact, a whole Broadway show from George Clooney.

00:02:40.640 You know, last year, my pals over at the Daily Wire asked me if I would do the voice of this cartoon character called Wendy Burcham in Adam Carolla's cartoon called Mr. Burcham about a shop teacher.

00:02:55.900 So I was, quote, playing the wife of a shop teacher.

00:02:59.480 Didn't make me the actual wife of a shop teacher.

00:03:03.700 Never will.

00:03:05.240 George, just because you play some sort of a journalism expert, an old hand, in a play or a movie or otherwise, doesn't make you one. 0.98

00:03:17.860 No one gives a shit what you think is wrong with journalism. 0.96

00:03:23.440 And his preening and moralism and self-righteousness is on full display, apparently not only in this show, but last night on 60 Minutes. 0.98

00:03:35.840 So we will get into all of that as well.

00:03:38.580 We have a great show for you today.

00:03:39.780 We've got Stephen A. Smith in our second hour, and I will ask him about what's going on in my bracket.

00:03:46.660 Like, I'm sorry.

00:03:47.920 This is the one sports thing I actually do participate in every year.

00:03:50.940 And I love to pick the upsets.

00:03:52.900 I always do because my whole system is just picking the city with which I have some sort of personal affiliation.

00:03:59.560 So this definitely leads to a lot of potential upsets in my bracket, which some years is great and some years not so great.

00:04:04.800 No, none of the upsets is winning.

00:04:06.600 Have you seen that?

00:04:07.600 Like none.

00:04:08.060 And now there are some real theories coming out about it.

00:04:11.320 Stephen's got one.

00:04:12.060 Clay Travis has got a similar one.

00:04:13.740 He's going to explain to all of us why our brackets may be imploding and also talk about whether he's going to be running for president.

00:04:20.380 But we begin today with my pal Ben Shapiro of The Ben Shapiro Show and editor emeritus of The Daily Wire.

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00:05:33.660 All right, Ben, so, you know, let's just kick it off there.

00:05:37.280 Just because I was Wendy Burcham doesn't make me actually Wendy Burcham and capable of speaking about what it's like to be married to Mr. Burcham or a shop teacher.

00:05:47.060 But George Clooney, I realize this isn't the most important news, but it's interesting, is now starring on Broadway in Good Night and Good Luck.

00:05:55.460 And I guess at the end of this show, he turns around and looks at the audience and offers a lecture on how journalism is imploding, that what's happening with the Trump administration is like McCarthyism, that we need a full, free, and fair press to hold this administration's feet to the fire.

00:06:14.540 And this is why, I gather, he was profiled on 60 Minutes last night and asked about the fourth estate.

00:06:21.580 Here he is in Sot 12.

00:06:22.600 When the other three estates fail, when the judiciary and the executive and the legislative branches fail us, the fourth estate has to succeed.

00:06:32.400 Has to succeed.

00:06:34.160 As 60 Minutes is here right now on our first day.

00:06:36.780 ABC has just settled a lawsuit with the Trump administration.

00:06:40.320 Journalism and telling truth to power has to be waged like war is waged.

00:06:47.400 It doesn't just happen accidentally.

00:06:49.020 You know, it takes people saying, we're going to do these stories and you're going to have to come after us.

00:06:55.980 And that's the way it is.

00:06:57.460 So that's him backstage with his Edward R.

00:07:02.360 Murrow, like wannabe castmate supporters, lecturing all of us, Ben, on how it needs to be done and how, I mean, you might, you might say democracy dies in darkness if, if the journalism people don't do more journalism-ing.

00:07:18.820 Yeah, it's, he is so tiresome just as a human being.

00:07:22.380 He's unbelievably tiresome.

00:07:23.520 And, you know, I will acknowledge here that his wife, Amal Clooney, literally was complicit in some of the worst propaganda of the last several years.

00:07:31.580 She was involved in the International Court of Justices' attempts to actually prosecute the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, for war crimes.

00:07:39.060 She was, she was a deep part of that.

00:07:40.600 So she obviously wasn't speaking truth to power.

00:07:42.560 She was, she was part of the power.

00:07:43.940 George Clooney has always been part of the power.

00:07:45.420 This idea that he's ever speaking truth to power is nonsensical.

00:07:48.180 That dude has more, he may have single-handedly been responsible for Joe Biden stepping out of the race.

00:07:52.900 You recall that he wrote an op-ed in which he basically called for Joe Biden to step out of the race.

00:07:58.380 And then the Democratic Party suddenly magically listened.

00:08:00.300 So when he talks about this, like he's, he's speaking truth to power.

00:08:02.960 What is the power inside, for example, his own party that he has ever spoken true, like real truth to and not been listened?

00:08:09.900 I mean, he, he, he wields outsized powers.

00:08:11.740 Again, this idea that he's like a powerless person who's fighting for the rights of the, of the journalistic establishment.

00:08:17.600 The journalistic establishment is what brought us here.

00:08:19.620 This sort of worship that, that Clooney and others have for the journalismers is truly amazing given how poor they have been at actually exposing truth to the light of day.

00:08:31.380 He, he's speaking beyond a point where, where people have any respect for journalistic establishment at all.

00:08:36.800 I don't know who he's talking about.

00:08:38.160 The American approval of the journalistic establishment is in the 20% range.

00:08:42.120 So who is he even talking to right now, dreaming of a time when journalists were these speak truth to power, you know, fedora wearing, hard boiled, walking around the streets of Chicago reporting.

00:08:54.300 Like who are these people he's talking about?

00:08:56.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:56.660 It's all nonsense.

00:08:57.920 You know, it's, it's amazing to watch him talk about this.

00:09:00.860 Like it's now's the time.

00:09:02.100 Where was he during COVID?

00:09:03.700 You know, you saw last week, the New York times with its aha moment on COVID.

00:09:06.840 Like, you know what?

00:09:07.880 We really need to talk about the fact that this looks like it came from a lab.

00:09:11.700 We, how did, how is it?

00:09:13.020 We didn't talk about that for five years because you New York times were calling people racist who said it looks like it came from a lab.

00:09:21.280 Like, and then Bill Maher the other night had this like aha moment of like, geez, it really looks like Fauci may have been kind of a villain and not, you know, all these leftists are coming around to the truth of things like COVID.

00:09:34.300 That's just one example, five years later than the rest of us, because George Clooney's idea of journalism is to just toe the party line when it helps the left and say what needs to be said and bury what needs to be said as so long as it will hurt the right.

00:09:52.620 I mean, I'm just wondering, who are these journalists who aren't covering the Trump administration?

00:09:58.040 They're like, who are they?

00:09:58.840 It'd be great for him to call them out.

00:10:00.200 Right.

00:10:00.600 Who are these journalists who are being so nice to the Trump administration all the way through?

00:10:04.780 And when he talks about settlements that these various outlets are making with President Trump, that's because they literally engaged in slander and libel of President Trump.

00:10:12.940 And they thought that they were going to lose a big settlement to him.

00:10:15.060 And it's not because they're trying to buy access to the president of the United States by by paying him money.

00:10:19.780 And if he's going to make that actual argument, then probably you just make that argument overtly as opposed to this sort of break the fourth wall.

00:10:26.520 First of all, that must be terrible.

00:10:27.600 There must be death in the theater.

00:10:28.840 You're there to watch Good Night and Good Luck.

00:10:30.320 And suddenly the actor turns to you and starts lecturing you breaking the fourth wall about modern politics, how obnoxious he is just as a human.

00:10:36.340 Yeah, so here he is going on.

00:10:40.100 This is to 60 last night about you mentioned his op-ed in The New York Times on Joe Biden and why he did it.

00:10:47.220 Such a selfless, brave, brave act.

00:10:50.400 Ben, here he was.

00:10:52.340 I'll make it kind of easy.

00:10:53.900 I was raised to tell the truth.

00:10:56.120 I had seen the president up close for this fundraiser and I was surprised.

00:11:02.440 And so I feel as if there was a lot of profiles and cowardice in my party through all of that.

00:11:10.980 And I was not proud of that.

00:11:12.980 And I also believed I had to tell the truth.

00:11:16.780 That right there is such a lie.

00:11:18.480 It's such a lie, Ben.

00:11:19.740 Let me just give you the dates, OK?

00:11:21.460 That fundraiser where he saw Biden almost falling off the stage where Obama came out to grab him was June 15th.

00:11:27.960 The debate was June 27th.

00:11:32.320 So two weeks passed.

00:11:34.220 He said nothing.

00:11:35.580 Then you and I both watched that debate, just like all of our listeners and viewers did, and saw the then sitting president completely implode.

00:11:42.980 And it was very clear he had no chance of going forward.

00:11:45.700 And it wasn't until July 10th, almost a month after he attended the fundraiser with him, that George Clooney finally wrote that op-ed after it became clear that Joe Biden wasn't stepping down.

00:11:57.500 He's such a liar that he just encountered him at the debate and knew what he had to do. 0.95

00:12:03.140 It's especially crap because you remember we all covered Obama and Biden at that particular event. 0.99

00:12:10.760 And that was the footage where Obama literally guided Biden off the stage by the arm. 0.97

00:12:14.900 And we all commented on it at the time.

00:12:16.300 We're like, this guy looks like he doesn't know where he is on the stage.

00:12:18.500 It looks like he's being physically guided by the former president of the United States off the stage.

00:12:22.160 That was when the White House started retailing the line that these were all cheap fakes, right?

00:12:26.340 That actually Biden knew exactly where he was and was doing handsprings on the stage.

00:12:29.780 And we had sort of cut out of context to all of that.

00:12:31.960 Clooney was there.

00:12:32.920 Clooney was a co-sponsor of that event.

00:12:34.620 And as you say, it's not just that he said nothing.

00:12:36.580 It's that he was there and said nothing for weeks until it became perfectly obvious that Joe Biden was going to happen.

00:12:40.300 Absolutely get clobbered by Trump in November.

00:12:43.160 And at that point, that's when he said.

00:12:44.800 Now, it would have been something if after that event, like the day after, he had said, yeah, I saw him on stage.

00:12:48.640 He looked terrible.

00:12:49.200 And we really need to get rid of him.

00:12:50.640 Even that would have been late because the reality is that George Clooney has had access to Joe Biden for several years at this point.

00:12:56.060 And Biden's been ailing.

00:12:57.340 But as you say, the timeline doesn't match up.

00:12:59.900 And again, I don't know why Democrats insist on throwing actors out there to pretend that they are the role that they are playing.

00:13:08.240 Right.

00:13:08.480 Like George Clooney is not a doctor because he was on ER.

00:13:11.600 And George Clooney is not a journalist because he's in Good Night and Good Luck.

00:13:14.400 And because he was in One Fine Day with Michelle Pfeiffer back in 1996, you were still in your cradle.

00:13:22.440 But they starred.

00:13:25.200 I love this movie because I was young, like, well, kind of always aspiring journalist back then.

00:13:30.640 I was I was a practicing lawyer, but I had been told in high school I should be a journalist.

00:13:33.780 It was always in the back of my head.

00:13:34.760 And so I love this movie because she's like this, you know, up and comer.

00:13:38.140 And he worked, I think, for the New York Daily News or something like that.

00:13:40.600 But anyway, it was like the two of them at the height of their fame that doesn't make him an actual journalist.

00:13:45.680 And so he's like, who is it?

00:13:48.180 Is it Tom Cruise who really tried to be a Navy SEAL, even though he was too old to be a Navy SEAL and put himself through SEAL training?

00:13:54.440 It's like you can try to go through the SEAL training.

00:13:56.580 That's fine.

00:13:57.240 You want to, like, see if you can do it.

00:13:58.840 But Tom Cruise didn't come out actually believing he was a Navy SEAL.

00:14:01.880 He doesn't think he can flight fighter jets because of Top Gun.

00:14:05.240 Only George Clooney feels like he's in the position to lecture all of us on how it's done, how it ought to be done after having been silent, you know, conspicuously silent for the last four years.

00:14:17.700 Where's his lecture to The New York Times on how to cover brain infirmities, right?

00:14:23.580 Like, right now he's upset.

00:14:26.300 He's upset about the press.

00:14:28.220 And to your point, the press is not falling down on the job in trying to cover Trump negatively.

00:14:34.460 They're falling down on the job in plenty of other ways.

00:14:36.580 Only in George Clooney's world does he have to come out now and lecture the press on how important they are now more than ever.

00:14:43.320 The dirty little secret here, however, is he speaks for all of them.

00:14:47.560 You know the left-wing press, and by that I mean the press, is like, right on!

00:14:51.660 You know, like, they're going to sleep at night like, he's right.

00:14:54.600 It's so hard.

00:14:55.600 We've, now more than ever, I'm needed.

00:14:58.380 It is a very bizarre relationship these folks have with Hollywood where they still yearn after Martin Sheen because he once played the president on TV.

00:15:05.780 Yes.

00:15:06.060 And now George Clooney is their moral leader when it comes to, when it comes to journalism.

00:15:09.920 Now, how about you actually provide us examples of people in the field that you're talking about who you think are really good at this and use those people as the examples as opposed to the actor who's playing the thing to lecture you about the thing.

00:15:20.000 But only when President Trump is president.

00:15:22.420 He underwent a four-year kind of missing inaction period where suddenly, apparently, journalism was just fine.

00:15:30.660 Like, several years there, journalism was totally fine, except on the one issue where he decided he had to sound off to kind of throw Joe Biden off the back of the bus.

00:15:37.040 But apparently, journalism was fine covering the Biden administration until precisely the moment he decided it wasn't.

00:15:41.800 It's pretty selective.

00:15:42.400 So I was, I'm just looking for this text because my friend sent this to me at, um, our school, you know, we fled our New York city schools because they were so insanely woke.

00:15:54.500 It was crazy and annoying.

00:15:56.360 And now we're out here in Connecticut where we've done no question better, but especially at our daughter's school, they're more woke than I would like.

00:16:03.700 And, um, you've got, you know, George Clooney out there with his selective moments on, you know, journalism and when he needs to speak up.

00:16:11.840 And our school, this is, my daughter's not in the fourth grade, but somebody who's got a child in the fourth grade sent me this list.

00:16:19.260 The girls were supposed to, I think, write, um, do a project about some famous women. 1.00

00:16:25.980 And they gave them some suggestions on like women they might consider.

00:16:30.880 And, uh, I'll give you the, hold on a second.

00:16:33.560 Where is it?

00:16:34.720 The journalists that were, that were suggested newscasters slash journalists.

00:16:41.040 Um, the only one you, there's only two, uh, one's older who nobody knows.

00:16:47.600 Katie Couric.

00:16:48.960 That's who they think these girls should hold up and write it. 1.00

00:16:52.320 Now it's like, what exactly are you going to pull from Katie Couric?

00:16:56.460 Are we going to pull her gun documentary, which was totally fair and balanced and had her acting in the midst of it?

00:17:01.980 Is that, are we going to talk about that when we do the Katie Couric, um, honor?

00:17:06.000 Uh, and then we get to, um, okay.

00:17:09.860 Politicians.

00:17:10.600 Okay.

00:17:11.040 You've got, um, Kamala Harris, Rachel Levine.

00:17:14.920 This is at my school.

00:17:16.840 Rachel Levine as a politician that might want to be honored, but at an all girls school as for this, like women's event. 1.00

00:17:24.340 Um, Stacey Abrams, AOC, oh my God.

00:17:30.920 And then we get to the Supreme court and, uh, on the Supreme court, here's one of the, okay.

00:17:36.500 So they did get Sandra Day O'Connor, O'Connor on there.

00:17:39.060 Appreciate that.

00:17:39.740 There was one.

00:17:40.340 And the others, they suggest these girls might honor include Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:17:47.660 So at least we had that one sort of moderate Republican judge on there, Ben, but the whole, it's all part of the same point, right?

00:17:54.780 Like this is the leftist view of like what fair and balanced looks like.

00:17:59.460 George Clooney speaks up now that Trump's back in office.

00:18:02.260 You've got the school saying let's, let's, yeah, there's Sandra Day O'Connor. 0.98

00:18:05.780 Where's Amy Coney Barrett? 1.00

00:18:06.940 How is she not on there?

00:18:07.740 Right.

00:18:07.860 It's like, this is how the left operates.

00:18:10.720 Megan, this isn't my point where I'm going to lecture you about where you're sending your kids to school, but we're friends and you totally should not be sending your kids to the school.

00:18:17.200 Like this is bad.

00:18:18.080 I already moved them once.

00:18:19.040 I'm not moving them again.

00:18:19.860 I'm just going to get, get on the school's back.

00:18:21.940 Okay.

00:18:22.340 That's, that's, that's fine.

00:18:23.360 But, but you need to be on the school board and then you need to be on the list of journalists, obviously.

00:18:27.500 And if they're talking about female journalists, I don't need to be on it. 0.99

00:18:30.120 Well, I do need some normal person, even like Diane Sawyer, right? 0.95

00:18:34.040 Like put her on there who wasn't at least like harshly partisan for all of her career and did mostly like down the middle type pieces. 0.98

00:18:41.660 But Katie Couric is not Florida.

00:18:43.440 Connecticut is not Florida down here.

00:18:44.720 Our list is like only right wingers.

00:18:46.480 So, yes.

00:18:47.360 Great.

00:18:47.980 It's great.

00:18:48.480 Great.

00:18:49.200 But like Katie Couric, that's what they want. 0.99

00:18:50.620 The school wants them like louding Katie Couric, celebrating Kataji Brown Jackson and looking at Rachel Levine and AOC and Stacey Abrams as politicians to honor.

00:19:01.860 It's just, it's like outrageous.

00:19:03.240 And it's everywhere.

00:19:04.680 It's everywhere.

00:19:05.600 And it's part, it's all connected, frankly, to why, as I said at the top of the show, the left is imploding.

00:19:12.200 Why they have no strong base of support other than, not coincidentally, who?

00:19:18.060 White college educated women.

00:19:20.980 That's it.

00:19:22.380 That's some black women too. 1.00

00:19:24.180 But for the most part, it's white college educated women who are still Democrats. 1.00

00:19:28.600 A hundred percent.

00:19:29.280 And this is why I actually think that the Bernie Sanders movement, which is predominant among that group of people.

00:19:36.480 And also, he's broadening out.

00:19:38.460 I think that, yeah, I did my show on this today.

00:19:40.580 I really think that the AOC presidential candidacy that we're all laughing at and scoffing at, I think that we're laughing and scoffing at that a little early.

00:19:47.500 I'm old enough to remember 2007 when people were laughing and scoffing at Barack Obama and suggesting Hillary was definitely going to be the nominee.

00:19:54.180 And when Republicans were actually crossing party lines to vote in primaries in favor of Obama because they wanted to throw a scare into Hillary Clinton.

00:20:00.520 I remember saying that Obama was the actual scary one.

00:20:02.660 I think that actually the Bernie AOC movement is something that really needs to be watched here.

00:20:07.880 Not because the Democrats are in any position of strength, but my greatest fear for the Trump administration is that if there's an economic downturn, what you're going to get is a turn to wild left-wing populism.

00:20:17.400 And Bernie is consolidating that crowd really quickly and bringing AOC on stage to tap her on the shoulder is obviously a tactic. 0.98

00:20:23.840 So, you know, I think that that is a very real thing.

00:20:27.480 And she is trying to knit together whatever is left of the Democratic coalition, right?

00:20:31.680 The white college educated women.

00:20:33.940 She's trying to knit together minorities. 1.00

00:20:35.520 She's trying to knit together what she thinks are going to be blue-collar, blue-collar workers with her sort of anti-rich, you know, eat-the-rich appeal. 1.00

00:20:45.440 That, I think, is the next move for the Democratic Party, actually, if you're gaming out where they go after this.

00:20:49.780 So you think that she could have mass appeal?

00:20:52.780 I mean, right now she's polling at, I think, 5% or under in the national polls of who should be the Democratic nominee amongst Democrats.

00:20:59.200 Kamala Harris is some 36%.

00:21:00.640 She's at the top.

00:21:01.940 AOC does have name recognition but is nowhere near the top.

00:21:04.840 She's at the bottom.

00:21:06.280 But you think this person who is far, far left in her politics, notwithstanding her Green New Deal where she wants to get rid of hamburgers, actually has a shot?

00:21:15.480 I think that she's playing for an economic downturn. 0.98

00:21:18.200 And if there's an economic downturn, I think anybody has a shot.

00:21:20.420 I mean, if you look at that primary poll among Democrats, yeah, Kamala's at 36% because she just ran. 0.99

00:21:25.120 But the next closest person is Buttigieg at 10, right?

00:21:27.860 So now you're talking about a scrum, right?

00:21:29.520 It's like Buttigieg at 10, Walls at 5, AOC at 5.

00:21:32.700 And so anybody there really sort of has a shot.

00:21:35.400 And if you're talking about a built-in audience, remember Bernie almost won the nomination in 2020 over Joe Biden.

00:21:40.340 So if he takes her on the road and he gives her his donor list and he sort of taps her on the shoulder, she's going to start with a lot of systemic advantage. 0.93

00:21:47.820 She has high name recognition.

00:21:49.040 She's very good on television.

00:21:50.480 I don't think she's particularly intelligent or has anything interesting to say.

00:21:53.780 But that doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for running for president these days at all.

00:21:58.260 So, yeah, I think she's more formidable than currently advertised. 1.00

00:22:01.140 And she may be too far left for the American people. 0.99

00:22:03.300 I certainly think that she is.

00:22:04.640 I think the entire Democratic Party is.

00:22:06.580 But economic downturns have peculiar effects, which is why I'm very much focused on – like the Trump administration needs to focus first more than anything else.

00:22:14.080 They did a great job on the border.

00:22:15.480 They've already turned the border from the number one issue into like the number five issue because they shut down all illegal immigration at the border already.

00:22:21.820 They need to be spending their time ensuring that we do not suffer an economic downturn.

00:22:25.520 Because if there's an economic downturn, as high as I think people are on the right side of the aisle about our political prospects, things turn very quickly in the United States.

00:22:33.140 Okay, so I want to spend some time on Bernie and AOC because they go out there.

00:22:38.540 They get – supposedly they get these record crowds.

00:22:40.660 There are questions about whether this is an AstroTurf crowd or this is just like the same group of protesters that shows up at all of these things or supporters, depending on what the daily cause is or not.

00:22:50.960 But let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say even though neither one is running for anything right now, it was organic and people just wanted to hear two Democrat socialists get up there and talk about making America more socialist.

00:23:03.140 And he's out there.

00:23:04.740 They're both out there right now in some way trying to moderate their messages, right?

00:23:09.480 He gave an interview in which he was asked, what's the one thing that Trump has done well?

00:23:14.100 And here's what he said.

00:23:16.200 Is there anything that you think Trump has done right?

00:23:18.520 Yeah.

00:23:19.520 I mean, I think cracking down on fentanyl, making sure our borders are stronger.

00:23:25.820 Look, nobody thinks illegal immigration is appropriate. 0.96

00:23:29.660 Now, I happen to think we need comprehensive immigration reform.

00:23:32.620 But I don't think that it's appropriate for people to be coming across the border illegally.

00:23:37.200 Because he wants to deport 20 million people who are in this country who are undocumented.

00:23:42.960 Well, you do that, you destroy the entire country because I got news for you.

00:23:47.560 Trump's billionaire friends are not going to pick the crops in California that feed us.

00:23:51.880 They're not going to work in meat packing houses.

00:23:54.720 That's what undocumented people are doing. 0.86

00:23:56.720 So we need a variety of programs, guest worker programs, but mostly comprehensive immigration reform.

00:24:03.240 But you know illegal immigration exploded under Biden and nothing was really done until his last year in office when he was...

00:24:10.280 Yeah, should have done much better.

00:24:11.380 No argument.

00:24:11.820 Should have done much better.

00:24:15.000 Now he's...

00:24:15.620 I guess he wants a closed border now.

00:24:17.420 Tell that to the Bernie of 2019 when he was running for office in the primary.

00:24:22.500 And everybody was asked if they wanted to crack down on illegal immigration at the border.

00:24:29.260 He didn't.

00:24:30.400 He didn't.

00:24:30.980 He actually...

00:24:31.800 He raised his hand saying he wanted to decriminalize the border.

00:24:35.560 To decriminalize it, Ben.

00:24:37.500 And has been...

00:24:39.040 He's been all over the board, frankly, on this.

00:24:40.700 Because at some points he's like, the Koch brothers are the ones who want open borders.

00:24:43.920 That would be a disaster.

00:24:44.740 But then he's saying we should decriminalize border crossings, which is basically a red carpet invitation.

00:24:50.320 But what he wants ABC News and Jonathan Karl to think is he's pro-Trump's moves at the border, even though he called the first Trump administration wall ridiculous.

00:24:59.800 He thought Trump's policies were way too tough, that he was cracking down too much on.

00:25:05.620 He wanted to end the deportations.

00:25:07.240 I mean, so that's Bernie.

00:25:09.120 Stand by. 0.77

00:25:09.760 And then here is AOC, who is the queen of pronouns and all the trans nonsense. 1.00

00:25:16.640 She hasn't seen a trans policy she doesn't support.

00:25:18.980 She's dying to get boys into girls sports. 1.00

00:25:21.200 And here she is, see if you can hear the change in her messaging on that issue at one of these rallies.

00:25:27.800 And they will throw out every label and judgment and cultural debate in the book to keep us distracted, folks.

00:25:38.300 This is what the focus on trans kids is all about. 0.52

00:25:42.800 Come on.

00:25:44.000 One percent.

00:25:45.360 One percent of the entire population.

00:25:48.620 If people want to have conversations about that, take it to the NCAA.

00:25:52.080 It doesn't need to be on the floor of the United States Congress.

00:25:54.420 We need to be taxing the rich on the floor of the United States Congress. 0.60

00:26:00.320 We need to be establishing guaranteed health care on the floor of the United States Congress.

00:26:05.300 Not erasing American history on the floor of the United States Congress.

00:26:11.000 We need to be passing a living wage on the floor of the United States Congress.

00:26:17.200 She thinks she's a preacher. 1.00

00:26:19.320 She sometimes slips into that way of speaking, right?

00:26:21.980 But there she is.

00:26:22.620 She just wants to table boys and girls sports. 1.00

00:26:25.100 Just let the NCAA deal with it, Ben.

00:26:27.440 Well, again, what they're doing is shockingly smart.

00:26:30.940 So Bernie, I mean, I say that because I think that they have a combined IQ of a kumquat. 1.00

00:26:34.440 But Bernie Sanders, who is a lifelong leech on the ass of American society and has switched his tune with regards to illegal immigration many times, 0.97

00:26:42.880 he used to actually be very closed border because he used to acknowledge a reality, 0.96

00:26:46.660 which is that if you have socialist redistribution in a country, you can't have an open border.

00:26:50.280 That's just a giant magnet for everybody to come in and take government benefits. 0.94

00:26:53.260 So he actually used to be in favor of a much more closed border.

00:26:55.980 And now he's reverting back to that stance, which, of course, is a much more popular stance.

00:26:59.480 You see her doing what Democrats are now attempting to do, which is they don't want to reverse themselves completely the way that Gavin Newsom tried to in order to in order to get away from the transition.

00:27:10.240 Instead, they're saying, why are we even talking about this?

00:27:12.080 Who even brought this up?

00:27:13.300 The answer is you brought this up.

00:27:14.820 You made this a center point of your actual worldview.

00:27:17.600 But you can see her trying to put that off to the side and go back to the economic populist message. 0.99

00:27:21.660 And this is why I say I think that the Democrats are gambling on one thing and one thing only, and that's an economic downturn.

00:27:26.520 They are figuring that if there's an economic downturn, that their message of oligarchy is going to be effective.

00:27:30.960 This is why they're also training their guns at Elon as opposed to Trump.

00:27:33.660 If they train their guns at Trump, Trump is Teflon. 0.99

00:27:35.860 As I've said since 2016, Donald Trump is a mud monster. 0.99

00:27:38.540 And if you throw more mud at him, he just becomes more of a mud monster. 0.97

00:27:41.740 But if they train their guns on Elon, they understand Elon is not vulnerable in the same way.

00:27:46.180 He's not on the public dime.

00:27:48.000 He obviously is the richest person in the world.

00:27:49.680 He doesn't really seem to care what people think.

00:27:51.300 But if they can tie together the idea that Elon and Trump are part of a corrupt oligarchy together who are manipulating American economics and impoverishing the poor,

00:28:01.000 and then if the economy goes south, then they can have a sort of horseshoe theory thing happen with sort of the populist right.

00:28:07.180 And they can hope for enough crossover to actually be competitive in a national election.

00:28:11.560 I think they're pretty openly playing for a recession right now. 0.96

00:28:13.940 I think it's – again, I don't think it's stupid.

00:28:15.860 I think the tactic itself is smart even if the messengers are not particularly bright.

00:28:19.180 I just don't think they should be betting on it because Trump, while he's saying we're going to have some short-term pain,

00:28:24.560 hopefully for longer-term gain as he imposes the tariffs and so on, he's just never going to let it get to the point where somebody has a political advantage over him.

00:28:33.420 That's just not how Trump operates.

00:28:34.900 I agree with you.

00:28:35.720 Right?

00:28:36.200 If he actually sees trouble for himself or his successor or the Republicans on a sustained recession-like economy, he'll fix it.

00:28:43.980 He'll let up on the tariffs.

00:28:45.340 He's never going to give them that advantage.

00:28:47.300 Here's the sound about it we were looking for on Bernie Sanders.

00:28:49.180 So now he's suddenly pro-Trump's border behavior.

00:28:52.600 Yeah, you know, it was well overdue.

00:28:54.560 We needed a crackdown on the border.

00:28:56.060 I mean, it's amazing that he said that to John Carl.

00:28:58.340 And here he was.

00:28:59.420 We pulled this.

00:28:59.900 This is actually Western Lensman who's on X.

00:29:02.620 He put together this montage, a good one.

00:29:04.500 And then our pal over at Real Clear Politics, Tom Bevin, called attention to it, to Bernie's reversal.

00:29:08.480 Here he was not too long ago sounding very different under Trump 1.0, SOT 41.

00:29:14.700 Look, I think that the wall is an absurd idea.

00:29:18.100 I think it's a waste of money.

00:29:20.920 I think it just fans Trump's illusions.

00:29:25.440 America cannot simply build walls. 0.95

00:29:28.640 We look foolish to the rest of the world. 1.00

00:29:32.360 We look foolish to Mexico. 0.98

00:29:34.140 So we are going to end the ICE raids, which are terrorizing communities all across this country. 0.96

00:29:41.380 We are going to impose a moratorium on deportations.

00:29:46.100 Okay, so no wall.

00:29:50.060 We're going to end the ICE raids, and we're not going to deport any people.

00:29:53.300 And you saw him at that presidential debate saying he wants to decriminalize border crossings.

00:29:56.480 But now he's super in favor of what Trump is doing at the border, long overdue. 1.00

00:30:00.320 These guys are such hypocrites. 1.00

00:30:01.680 It's absolutely infuriating. 1.00

00:30:02.880 Okay, so there is a lot to talk about with the Democrat Party.

00:30:06.320 But I just want to, while we're sort of on this point, leap to the deportations and what Trump is doing.

00:30:12.320 Because Trump, while he's in the midst of this massive, massive lawfare campaign trying to stop his agenda,

00:30:19.760 and Democrat-appointed judges who are only too happy to help,

00:30:23.420 he is winning with some of these executive orders that are targeting more in the private sector.

00:30:30.000 And I just want to get your thoughts on this balance.

00:30:32.020 So he's really getting the crackdown from these pro-immigration groups on things like his attempt to deport Venezuelan gang members.

00:30:39.060 The left really would love for them to stay.

00:30:42.440 They want us to believe that they're all really sweet and just wanted to be here and work at the neighboring grocery store.

00:30:50.000 Okay, they're not the ones who killed Lakin Riley and Jocelyn Nungari.

00:30:53.700 They don't want to talk about that.

00:30:55.460 So that's getting stopped, or at least paused, by lawfare and judges like this Bozberg in the D.C. circuit.

00:31:01.420 Okay, then there's Trump issuing these executive orders on Maine when it comes to boys and girls sports.

00:31:09.840 And Maine is caving already.

00:31:11.920 It did at the college level.

00:31:13.120 We still have to get a cave at K-12.

00:31:15.200 And Trump is at the point where he's like, great, thank you for caving.

00:31:17.900 Now I want my explicit apology from the governor, which is amazing.

00:31:21.760 You're still not getting your money unless I get my apology and a promise that you'll do it everywhere.

00:31:27.320 He's amazing.

00:31:27.980 Okay, so that's that.

00:31:28.600 Then there's Columbia University, where he went in and said, this is a hotbed of anti-Semitism.

00:31:34.280 You guys are out of control.

00:31:35.860 You need to not let people wear these masks all over campus because they hide behind them.

00:31:40.020 You need us to take over your weird department on Middle East studies, which seems to be like the place you go to learn jihad. 1.00

00:31:46.760 And we need to take that over.

00:31:48.360 And a bunch of other things.

00:31:49.660 And almost entirely, Columbia just caved because it wants its $400 million back from the feds.

00:31:55.400 And then there's what he's doing to these law firms.

00:31:57.600 So he decides to target a couple of law firms, including Paul Weiss, who hired that one guy who wanted to prosecute Trump when he worked for Alvin Bragg.

00:32:06.300 It was like a mission of his.

00:32:08.380 And Trump was like, you know what?

00:32:10.320 It's a Democrat law firm.

00:32:11.900 They tried to target me or they at least rewarded somebody who tried to target me.

00:32:15.260 And there's going to be all sorts of punishments to this law firm.

00:32:17.960 Like, I don't think the federal federal government wants to be in business with them, which is his prerogative.

00:32:22.380 And it took about two minutes for them to completely cave on everything Trump wanted.

00:32:28.640 They went in there with a bouquet of roses and then some.

00:32:32.000 You know, he only wanted roses, but they brought chocolates and diamonds and were on the knee begging him to let up.

00:32:37.240 So Trump is he's having success in these tactics, Ben.

00:32:41.700 But I wonder what you make of the overall strategy and the successes and the not not losses so far, but the thwarting that we're seeing judicially.

00:32:50.000 I mean, I think that the thwarting judicially isn't going to matter until we get to the Supreme Court level.

00:32:53.920 So you're seeing all the Democrats complain it's a constitutional crisis.

00:32:57.200 No, it's not a constitutional crisis until you get to the point where the Supreme Court issues an order.

00:33:01.240 And then the executive branch just ignores the Supreme Court order.

00:33:04.080 Like maybe if they said that you're not allowed to unilaterally relieve student loan debt.

00:33:08.280 And then, you know, the administration just went ahead and tried to do it anyway, which happened like two years ago.

00:33:12.720 But it's but I think that the real question here for the Supreme Court is, was and will be what restrictions are they going to put on district court judges and the district court judge's ability to issue these nationwide temporary restraining orders on the basis of I'm a judge in Texas.

00:33:27.620 And now the entire country is now going to be governed by the thing that I say about a nationwide order from the White House.

00:33:33.420 The fact that the Supreme Court turned that down a few weeks ago was a huge mistake, in my opinion.

00:33:38.080 And Justice Roberts kind of signing into chat to rip on President Trump for ripping on district court judges. 0.62

00:33:43.260 Justice Roberts, I'm one of the few people on the right who objected to Justice Roberts back in 2005 when he was nominated by George W. Bush.

00:33:50.400 I didn't think he was going to be a good pick. And that was one of my predictions.

00:33:53.380 I've made many predictions in my career that have been bad. That one was actually quite good.

00:33:56.660 I think Justice Roberts has been a bit of a disaster as chief justice of the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:34:00.960 And I think that his kind of notion that that he restores the legitimacy of the court by yelling at President Trump is really stupid. 0.98

00:34:07.500 If he wants to restore the legitimacy of the court, then the court needs to draw very clear lines as to what district court judge. 0.98

00:34:12.720 The judges can and cannot do. And that is a thing that they absolutely have not done.

00:34:16.600 I mean, they're leaving it up to these district court judges to do everything from mandate that the military allow trans members in to turning flights around in the middle of the air over international waters.

00:34:26.980 And can they do that? Can they not? We don't know the answer.

00:34:29.520 And so this idea that Trump is sort of redefining what the judiciary can and cannot do, that's not true.

00:34:34.340 The judicial, the low level judges are redefining their own jurisdiction.

00:34:38.220 And then the Supreme Court hasn't weighed in yet. So I think that that is a narrative battle that Trump is not losing.

00:34:43.540 And I think certainly forcing Democrats to defend Trenderau Agua members being in the United States, these Venezuelan gang members in the like, that's a narrative win. 0.89

00:34:51.960 If you're the person on the side of the gang members, that that's a pretty obvious fail.

00:34:56.400 And Democrats keep being forced into the 20 percent position in every 80-20 fight.

00:35:00.200 So for sure there when it comes to the private sector and pressure that he's putting on particular places.

00:35:04.640 So Columbia University is in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

00:35:08.440 I mean the thing that the Trump administration is saying to Columbia is you have a set of standards that apply to black students, gay students, every other minority student.

00:35:19.180 And it applies to Jews too under the Civil Rights Act.

00:35:21.520 You may not like the Civil Rights Act. You may think that it's an overreach.

00:35:25.040 I've actually made that case myself in the past.

00:35:27.100 But if those laws apply, if these anti-discrimination laws apply, they apply across the board.

00:35:30.820 And that means you can't just allow gigantic harassment conferences against Jews in the middle of your campus where Jews are being barred from getting to class or anything like that.

00:35:39.820 Or you lose your federal money.

00:35:41.400 And Columbia, of course, caves to that as Columbia should.

00:35:44.280 That, I think, again, is going to be popular with the American people and is well within the boundaries of the law.

00:35:48.920 What he's doing with Paul Weiss.

00:35:49.840 I mean, Paul Weiss, they're not donating services specifically.

00:35:52.920 I guess they pledged to donate something like $40 million in pro bono hours to, I think, White House governmental affairs.

00:36:02.140 So it's not to Trump personally.

00:36:03.460 It's the White House governmental affairs office or something like that.

00:36:06.880 I think people, number one, need to understand that $40 million of billable hours at Paul Weiss, that's like two partners for three days.

00:36:12.960 The amount of money that these partners charge for pro bono is like insane.

00:36:17.920 And they don't charge it, but that's what they rack up.

00:36:19.680 And they're charging $3,000, $4,000 an hour in many of these cases.

00:36:22.860 And so you're not talking about, you know, endless amounts of hours here.

00:36:26.060 It's a good kind of win for President Trump on a narrative level.

00:36:29.780 And the outsized, oh, my God, how could he be leveraging people?

00:36:33.180 I think the thing that President Trump is doing that no other Republican in my lifetime has done is he's making the left play by their own rules.

00:36:38.980 The left does this kind of stuff all the time.

00:36:41.500 And I'm old enough to remember when Barack Obama called in the heads of every major car company in America in 2009 and basically said that I'm the only thing.

00:36:50.120 He actually said, I'm the person standing between you and the pitchforks.

00:36:53.160 And then he leveraged concessions out of them.

00:36:55.500 This sort of thing happens all the time, but only from Democrats.

00:36:58.600 And President Trump is doing, and this is why I think people are freaking out, is he's saying you built this system.

00:37:04.140 You gave all these powers to the executive branch, and now I'm going to use all the powers that you built against the thing that you want.

00:37:10.560 And now you're all freaking out.

00:37:11.840 OK, well, here's what we could do.

00:37:13.280 If you don't like any of this, why don't we make a deal where we minimize the powers of the executive branch via the Constitution or via the legislation?

00:37:19.920 Same thing on the DOJ.

00:37:21.640 Think of all the DOJ investigations. 0.98

00:37:23.520 They sicked on various police departments and fire departments across this nation saying you don't have enough black people. 0.99

00:37:29.500 You don't have enough brown people. 1.00

00:37:30.720 We're going to investigate you.

00:37:31.640 You handled this one case in a way that we didn't like, and therefore you're going to have to run every decision by the Department of Justice for the next 10 years or longer.

00:37:39.440 There wasn't a peep out of these leftists now complaining about that.

00:37:42.440 That was fine.

00:37:43.360 But if it's the DOJ or some other federal government looking at Maine saying, you know what, we may see a Title IX violation here, or we may pull your funding from the Department of Agriculture because you're so out of line when it comes to the funding that we're giving you and you're using it to let boys play in girls sports.

00:37:59.240 Now it's a constitutional crisis.

00:38:00.600 Now we have an autocrat running the government. 0.55

00:38:03.540 Well, what makes Trump historic is that for my entire lifetime, the basic notion from conservatives is that the growth of government was a one-way ratchet, that all the powers that were accruing in the executive branch were just going to continue to accrue, but only to the benefit of the left.

00:38:16.400 And then a right-winger might get in.

00:38:17.800 At a certain point, he might get a George W. Bush, and he would kind of just go slower, right?

00:38:21.840 The ratchet would continue to move in the left-wing direction, but slower.

00:38:24.840 Trump is coming in, and he's saying, listen, you gave me all these powers, and you meant these powers for Joe Biden or for Barack Obama, but guess what?

00:38:30.780 I'm the guy who's here, and I'm going to use every bit of power that you gave me, and I'm going to push as hard as I possibly can.

00:38:36.600 And again, he's not saying he's not going to listen to the judiciary.

00:38:38.980 He's never said that, actually.

00:38:40.020 A lot of people attribute that to him, but he's never actually said it, and people are caterwauling. 0.65

00:38:44.740 And so the proper answer to all of this should be, okay, well, if you don't like what the president is now capable of doing, maybe you shouldn't have built that machine in the first place where you centralized all power in administrative bureaucracy, but instead the complaint is that Donald Trump is a tyrant.

00:39:00.040 The thing they should be objecting to is the power itself.

00:39:02.780 The thing they're objecting to is his use of the power, but they'd be perfectly happy if it were Kamala Harris using that exact same power in ways that they like.

00:39:11.040 That's exactly right.

00:39:12.160 It's amazing to see them flout an executive order on Title IX.

00:39:17.380 They were only too happy to see Joe Biden's executive orders around Title IX and his rule changes when it came to Title IX.

00:39:23.160 They loved that.

00:39:24.200 Yeah, do it.

00:39:24.800 Do it right now without anybody speaking up for girls' sports.

00:39:28.240 But now that Trump has said, you know what?

00:39:29.740 I disagree with that.

00:39:30.600 That was poorly handled.

00:39:31.320 And by the way, Biden's executive order and his changes to Title IX had already been ruled invalid.

00:39:37.100 So the Title IX, as it was originally written, stands.

00:39:41.260 And so when Trump came in there, he just clarified it by saying, well, to be clear, Title IX does not allow boys to play in girls' sports.

00:39:47.640 But the governor of Maine decided she will overrule Title IX.

00:39:50.820 She's going to disregard what it says by statute and what Trump says it says. 0.96

00:39:55.680 And so he's cracking down on her.

00:39:57.860 And so, yeah, she's going to lose her money at her public universities, which is what's happening. 1.00

00:40:02.320 And she will bend on K through 12.

00:40:04.480 And she will apologize.

00:40:06.300 She will.

00:40:07.220 Because just like Columbia, she wants her money more than she wants to maintain the integrity of her word.

00:40:14.160 She had her girl boss moment with Trump in the White House.

00:40:16.500 She got all of her newspaper covers and magazine covers, and now it's going to go down the toilet.

00:40:20.540 Or there's a lot more that we have to get through, and I don't have that much time with you.

00:40:23.360 So I've got to keep moving.

00:40:24.660 I've got to move forward.

00:40:27.020 Okay.

00:40:27.780 Can we spend one minute on Snow White and how it totally imploded at the box office this weekend?

00:40:31.420 It was so delicious.

00:40:32.260 The thing they paid, they spent $170 million to make the thing, and it had the lowest opening, under $50 million, of any of these live-action Disney remakes that they've ever had.

00:40:43.000 Even the one that was their worst, Dumbo, did better than this has done. 0.99

00:40:47.300 And they postponed the release of this thing, Ben, for a year because their star, Rachel Zegler, was so unlikable, told all Trump supporters that they could fuck off. 0.99

00:40:56.780 Excuse me, but she did. 1.00

00:40:57.800 That was just in November.

00:40:58.700 They didn't even know she was going to do that one. 1.00

00:41:00.340 Said she hated Snow White, mocked the fact that there was a prince and that she falls in love as opposed to leaning into her own power.

00:41:07.280 We could go on.

00:41:08.520 It didn't work.

00:41:09.520 Your thoughts?

00:41:10.900 I mean, the most predictable fail of all time.

00:41:13.120 And you forget, I think, the funniest thing, which was that release of the original picture of the dwarves, who were played by all tall people and one actual dwarf.

00:41:21.280 And then everybody laughed at it so hard that they went back to the drawing board and they came up with these bizarre, uncanny valley dwarves who are about as creepy as anything has ever been on screen.

00:41:30.760 And then they got rid of two of the original songs from the originally fantastic score and replaced it by a couple of generic pop songs by Pasek and Paul.

00:41:38.760 And they cast as Snow White, Rachel Zegler, and they cast as the evil queen who's supposed to be not as fair as Snow White, Gal Gadot, who is by any objective metric significantly more beautiful than Rachel Zegler.

00:41:52.280 I mean, there's just I'm sorry for being one of the most beautiful people on Earth. 0.78

00:41:55.980 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

00:41:57.760 And then you had Rachel Zegler who's sniping at Gal Gadot for the great crime of Gal Gadot being Israeli. 0.99

00:42:02.020 Right.

00:42:02.140 She was she was she was putting out tweets about free Palestine and all this kind of stuff.

00:42:05.480 Like, first of all, a few lessons for Disney.

00:42:07.980 Stop.

00:42:08.420 Number one, stop cannibalizing all your old IP.

00:42:10.260 Like, it's really bad.

00:42:11.280 It's really bad business.

00:42:12.540 Number two, please stop changing all of the historic plots, which actually have meaning to generations of people to to instead become generic woke story about how woman leads revolutionary uprising and she don't need no man.

00:42:25.620 Because guess what? 0.89

00:42:26.180 Nobody grew up with that crap and nobody's all that interested in it. 0.99

00:42:28.660 I mean, again, you're a very successful woman. 1.00

00:42:31.640 My wife is a doctor.

00:42:32.700 I have I have no problem with this with women in the workplace. 1.00

00:42:35.180 But this idea that women don't need men is ridiculous on its face. 0.97

00:42:38.120 It's terrible for society. 0.96

00:42:39.440 It's very good for people to learn that women need men and also that men need men need women.

00:42:42.820 I don't know why why this this fell out of passion and we're not allowed to just say that sort of stuff anymore.

00:42:47.520 But it actually happens to be the truth.

00:42:49.540 And then beyond that, all the all these studios have to stop letting their actors loose.

00:42:54.000 I mean, honestly, just shut your actors up.

00:42:56.100 And during the during the golden age of Hollywood, one of the reasons it actually is a thing.

00:43:00.260 One of the reasons you were able to generate actual movie stars is because the only time you saw the movie star was on the screen.

00:43:06.580 It's I think one of the things about Tom Cruise that actually makes him a movie star.

00:43:09.580 You never see him anymore unless he actually is on the screen.

00:43:12.360 There was a period where he went through a real rough patch where he was jumping on couches with Oprah and all this.

00:43:16.340 And he became very unliked and his movies really sank at the box office because of it.

00:43:20.820 And he recognized that and he went back behind kind of the screen of mystery.

00:43:24.500 And now you only see Tom Cruise when he's in Top Gun Maverick.

00:43:27.560 And so you want to see Tom Cruise who wants to see Rachel Zegler in anything.

00:43:30.400 You see her everywhere.

00:43:31.140 And every time you see her, she's being obnoxious. 1.00

00:43:33.020 And so these studios really ought to go to their stars and they ought to stop trotting them out to say dumb political nonsense before releasing a kid's flick. 0.91

00:43:39.980 Yes, exactly right.

00:43:41.080 Every time she speaks, she gets less likable.

00:43:42.600 There's some clip of her on the Internet in her Snow White outfit saying every hour I am in the outfit of Snow White wearing the dress all 18 hours.

00:43:51.360 I deserve to be paid for every single one.

00:43:54.240 Oh, really?

00:43:54.700 Are you are you having trouble paying your bills, Rachel?

00:43:57.180 Did Steven Spielberg not pay you for your role in West Side Story?

00:44:00.580 Did Disney fail to give you a healthy paycheck for like cry me a river?

00:44:04.540 She's just exactly everything that we can't stand about that front edge of Gen Z. 0.99

00:44:09.840 We're going to be saved by the back end of that generation as the mother of three of them.

00:44:13.400 I can speak to that.

00:44:14.700 OK, now.

00:44:16.800 Big news out of the Daily Wire on two fronts.

00:44:19.180 First of all, you made news by calling for Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin.

00:44:24.220 And this has led to a bunch of people saying, no, that's not a good idea, including our next guest, even a Smith, who doesn't like it.

00:44:31.400 But Jason Whitlock, who's over at, you know, he's got his own show and he doesn't like it for an interesting reason.

00:44:38.860 He's at the blaze and we we teed it up and then you'll you'll tell us why it's a good idea.

00:44:42.600 Here he is.

00:44:42.980 I don't want Derek to have to take one for the team forever.

00:44:49.720 I don't want that.

00:44:51.180 I just think there's a much harder road for freedom for Derek Chauvin that has to be traveled.

00:45:00.620 And so if again, if they were out like, hey, we're raising money for Derek Chauvin's defense team.

00:45:06.980 I'm all for that, that a pardon almost in even as bogus as I think the trial was, I think it would be inappropriate.

00:45:19.020 I think a federal pardon, though, at this point would sidetrack so much that needs to transpire under the Trump administration.

00:45:27.680 And I think it would the inroads that Trump has made with black voters.

00:45:34.960 I think it would be destroyed. 0.98

00:45:36.580 And this is all anybody would talk about is Trump and Derek Chauvin and look how racist Trump is. 0.78

00:45:43.640 This is like the Central Park five all over again.

00:45:47.460 That last point is a really interesting one, Ben.

00:45:49.300 Take it from there.

00:45:50.620 Yes.

00:45:50.840 I mean, on the pragmatic level, I don't think that that's a terrible argument.

00:45:53.920 I think that on a moral level, if you're going to build a groundswell for the pardon of a person who I believe to be in jail and innocent, then you actually start that groundswell somewhere.

00:46:02.020 And so actually opening the door to that conversation is something that I'm trying to do at PardonDerek.com.

00:46:07.500 By the way, we are working with their legal team.

00:46:09.340 So this idea that the legal team is not interested in this or that they're against it or anything, that's not true.

00:46:15.400 I mean, the actual fact of the matter is that if you were to receive a pardon on the federal charges, you would almost certainly serve less time in jail than he is currently going to serve because you get certain time off under the Minnesota state statute that you wouldn't get under the federal statute.

00:46:28.460 But as far as the sort of pragmatic argument, my view of that is that that's President Trump's decision, and I totally understand if he doesn't want to do that until, say, after he is – after the next election.

00:46:39.700 But it takes a groundswell of support for a thing to happen, and that groundswell needs to start building somewhere.

00:46:45.940 The argument that Jason isn't making there, which obviously I think he agrees with my argument, is that Chauvin is actually in jail unjustly.

00:46:51.920 That to me is the bigger issue.

00:46:53.960 Is Chauvin in jail unjustly?

00:46:55.660 If he's in jail unjustly, then we should all be saying that he should receive a pardon.

00:46:59.060 And then if the – again, I'm not saying that he has to be pardoned today.

00:47:02.200 I'm not in Trump's chair, and I'm not his chief political advisor, nor is that my job.

00:47:06.200 My job is to speak up where I think an injustice is being done.

00:47:09.440 In the case of Chauvin, it certainly is an injustice being done.

00:47:12.280 He definitely did not get a fair trial, and there is zero doubt of that.

00:47:16.600 I mean the in-depth documentary done by Alpha News out in Minnesota will convince anybody of that.

00:47:22.260 If you take a look at that thing, it's just absolutely horrifying what they did.

00:47:25.660 To pressure their way into a guilty verdict.

00:47:28.060 Okay, and then last but not least, the so-called god king of the Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, who's been on this podcast many times, who is your partner in founding the Daily Wire, is no longer co-CEO, along with Caleb, who was his co-CEO for years.

00:47:43.780 And now he's going to be doing something else.

00:47:46.000 So there's all sorts of chatter about this online, Ben.

00:47:49.600 People's tongues are wagging.

00:47:51.300 People who used to work for the Daily Wire suggesting this was a terrible implosion and that Jeremy was impossible to work for, et cetera.

00:47:57.400 What is the truth?

00:47:58.380 I mean, the truth is that Jeremy stepped down to pursue things like Pendragon, which is the single biggest, I think, entertainment offering ever put forward on the right side of the aisle, like ever by a long stretch.

00:48:10.840 People are going to be blown away.

00:48:11.460 It's like a Game of Thrones series that you guys are producing right now.

00:48:13.780 It's unbelievable.

00:48:14.420 It's unbelievable.

00:48:15.440 Yeah, I mean, it's like high fantasy, Arthurian legend, seven episodes at very high cost.

00:48:21.080 I mean, it is a major, massive project, and he has to go and he has to edit that.

00:48:24.720 We have to figure out exactly how we're going to market that.

00:48:27.100 We have other creative projects that Jeremy is going to work on, that Jeremy wants to work on, and that Jeremy is involved with.

00:48:31.580 And frankly, the day-to-day management of a very large and growing company was not, I think, in his view, consilient with that mission, which is for him to do more creative projects, to do more on the entertainment side.

00:48:43.580 And frankly, I think for Jeremy, that's where a lot of his heart is as well.

00:48:46.520 And so he wanted to put more focus in that as we mature as a company.

00:48:49.880 As far as all of these sort of bizarre rumors that we're in, oh, we're in serious trouble. 0.99

00:48:54.240 Oh, no, everything is, yeah, bullshit. 0.82

00:48:56.660 I mean, as somebody who looks at the balance sheet, I can tell you that is certainly not the case. 0.93

00:49:01.920 And we are healthy, we are growing, we are thriving, and we have extremely big moves that we are looking forward to making this year.

00:49:09.200 Okay.

00:49:10.620 I have just enough time for my last thing. 1.00

00:49:12.480 Spring Break is full of idiots. 1.00

00:49:15.840 And you'll see why I'm showing this to you. 1.00

00:49:17.580 Watch.

00:49:18.840 Who did the colonists fight in the Revolutionary War?

00:49:21.520 Oh, God.

00:49:22.780 In the Revolutionary War?

00:49:23.960 Oh, it was, oh, I don't know if this is right. 1.00

00:49:25.840 I mean, it sounds so stupid. 1.00

00:49:26.780 Was it the Spanish? 1.00

00:49:27.740 What shape is the U.S. Pentagon building?

00:49:32.880 Isn't it just a square?

00:49:34.300 How many U.S. senators are there?

00:49:37.760 Six.

00:49:38.440 Seven.

00:49:39.160 Six.

00:49:39.560 Six.

00:49:39.980 Seven.

00:49:40.560 Six.

00:49:41.000 How many amendments are in the Bill of Rights?

00:49:43.740 There's a lot.

00:49:44.740 I know 17.

00:49:46.460 Who won the Civil War?

00:49:47.820 Oh, shoot.

00:49:48.600 It's East or West, right?

00:49:50.620 Well, it's the Civil War.

00:49:51.520 So it's the civilians versus whoever was in power.

00:49:54.220 How many justices are on the Supreme Court?

00:49:57.060 Justices?

00:49:57.380 So, like, when you say that, like, you mean, like, the FBI?

00:50:01.620 Oh, God.

00:50:03.760 Who's in charge of the executive branch?

00:50:07.640 Yeah.

00:50:08.940 I don't know.

00:50:10.040 I don't know.

00:50:12.940 Who did the colonists fight in the Revolutionary War?

00:50:16.040 I don't know.

00:50:23.180 I can't think of it before.

00:50:24.940 No.

00:50:25.380 They choose.

00:50:26.180 How many U.S. senators are in the U.S. government?

00:50:29.560 Four.

00:50:30.580 Four.

00:50:31.160 Okay.

00:50:31.860 Five.

00:50:32.400 Five.

00:50:34.840 Three.

00:50:35.500 How many U.S. senators are there?

00:50:37.860 Twelve.

00:50:38.660 Who won the Civil War?

00:50:40.900 The U.S.

00:50:42.420 Okay.

00:50:42.900 Who did they beat?

00:50:44.080 Britain? 0.71

00:50:45.460 Who is the governor of your state?

00:50:48.680 Of Pennsylvania?

00:50:49.880 Mm-hmm.

00:50:50.860 Oh, my God.

00:50:52.520 Is it Ben something?

00:50:56.320 Ben Shapiro?

00:50:57.940 No.

00:50:58.700 No.

00:50:59.280 No.

00:51:00.200 I don't know.

00:51:01.480 Would you like Ben Shapiro to be the governor of your state?

00:51:04.580 Uh, I don't know.

00:51:07.300 Liberty Hangout TV, Ben.

00:51:08.880 Thoughts?

00:51:10.080 Wow.

00:51:10.440 I mean, I guess that's the way I'm going to get elected.

00:51:12.280 Governor of Pennsylvania right there.

00:51:14.180 And that's my spokesperson.

00:51:15.980 I didn't see that one coming.

00:51:17.120 I will tell you that.

00:51:18.320 That is weird. 1.00

00:51:19.960 They are shockingly dumb. 1.00

00:51:21.300 They are just as dumb as you think. 1.00

00:51:22.900 And then even dumber than that. 1.00

00:51:24.560 Not all of them, but a healthy collection on the beaches celebrating, drinking, and being 0.97

00:51:30.060 youthful.

00:51:30.800 Ben Shapiro, a pleasure.

00:51:32.240 We'll see you again soon.

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00:53:18.520 It is clear the Democrats are in disarray, lost in their messaging, and on the hunt for their

00:53:25.880 next political leader.

00:53:27.420 Could my next guest be the answer?

00:53:29.660 There's plenty of speculation, and he is garnering some support in early polls.

00:53:33.440 Plus, I need to ask him about my bracket.

00:53:35.420 Joining me now, Stephen A. Smith.

00:53:36.740 He's host of The Stephen A. Smith Show, and first take and author of Straight Shooter.

00:53:41.600 Welcome back.

00:53:42.220 Stephen, great to see you.

00:53:43.240 What's going on, Megan?

00:53:44.260 How are you?

00:53:44.880 How's everything been going?

00:53:45.920 I mean, I'm totally out of the NCAA tournament.

00:53:48.760 I'm out.

00:53:49.560 I wanted a couple of years amongst all media because I choose the upsets, and Stephen A.,

00:53:54.760 this was not the year to do that.

00:53:56.440 So why is this happening?

00:53:57.740 Why did none of the upsets do well in round one?

00:54:00.340 Well, first of all, let me say this.

00:54:01.860 I got love for Megyn Kelly and stuff like that, so I'm here to help.

00:54:04.740 I'm here to help.

00:54:05.520 Here's the deal.

00:54:06.080 You're not a sports person, and you're still doing better than me, and you're still doing

00:54:11.340 better than me.

00:54:11.780 I got less than 30% of my bracket, right?

00:54:14.140 So I am in no position to judge you negatively at all.

00:54:17.720 I've been awful, but I did pick Florida and Duke to meet for the national title, and I'm

00:54:23.060 still in play for that.

00:54:24.340 But I get a chance to watch maybe about college basketball 5% of the time because I have to

00:54:32.100 spend so much time watching the NFL and the NBA and stuff, I don't get a chance to watch

00:54:35.440 a lot of college basketball.

00:54:36.760 So other than those elite teams, I'm guessing just like you.

00:54:40.260 Yeah.

00:54:40.880 Just like you.

00:54:41.420 So don't be awful.

00:54:42.040 The ones that really cost me are Clemson and St. John's.

00:54:46.100 I went for St. John's because that's not far from where I grew up, and I went for Clemson

00:54:50.160 because it's where my dear friend's daughter goes, and there's a sweet story behind it with

00:54:54.640 their family.

00:54:55.400 So I rooted for them to get all the way Clemson to the final four, which I realized was bold.

00:54:59.480 But now there's this theory that there's a reason we're not seeing any upsets win, and

00:55:05.200 it has to do with the fact that we're allowing the athletes to make money while they're athletes.

00:55:10.140 Can you explain this to me?

00:55:12.260 I will.

00:55:13.040 First things first, you said you grew up near St. John's.

00:55:16.240 I went to Thomas Edison High School.

00:55:17.580 I went to Thomas Edison Vocation Technical High School right across the Grand Central

00:55:20.140 Parkway.

00:55:21.100 I studied electrical installations.

00:55:22.760 So we're siblings in that regard, so let's get that out the way.

00:55:26.880 Number two, Clemson, they just didn't show up.

00:55:28.940 They didn't show up in the first half.

00:55:29.980 They forgot how to play basketball.

00:55:31.100 They were awful, and that's what happened to them.

00:55:32.800 Number three, St. John's.

00:55:33.900 When you look at St. John's with Rick Pitino and those guys, they couldn't shoot.

00:55:36.840 They shot 9%, 2 of 22 from three-point range.

00:55:39.480 They shot 28% from the field.

00:55:41.440 They were awful.

00:55:42.120 They were an elite defensive team.

00:55:45.280 Offensively, they struggled shooting.

00:55:46.640 And then their star, R.J.

00:55:49.080 Lewis Jr., Rick Pitino, inexplicably benches him for the last several minutes of the game,

00:55:54.920 which is a huge, huge story because it's something that you just don't do.

00:55:57.820 Now to get to your question about in terms of why you've got mid-majors 0-6 in this NCAA

00:56:03.620 tournament, no Cinderella's winning.

00:56:06.060 NIL trade portal, here's what happens.

00:56:08.500 Because there's money out there for the college athletes now, Megan, what happens is that if you are a program, even if you're a mid-major and there's somebody that's lower than you, you've got more money to offer that athlete to come to your program.

00:56:22.060 If you're a big-time program, you've got money, they don't have any money for you at this institution, we got about $250,000 for you from the trade, you know, for the NIL, you can come over to us.

00:56:33.940 So those individuals that had talent that were at mid-majors or lesser schools are having an opportunity to upgrade their stature in terms of the programs they get associated with because those programs have money that the smaller programs don't have, NIL and beyond.

00:56:50.420 And that is what has compromised it because you – I just said today on First Take, my show on ESPN, I said, let me tell y'all something.

00:56:57.080 If this continues, it's going to be the death of college basketball because at this point, college basketball is all about March Madness.

00:57:03.320 And if you can't look at a Cinderella, if you can't look at a team that would come up with an engine that could per se, if you don't have that because athletes are departing from those programs to go to bigger programs, okay, then college basketball is going to cease to exist the way we know and love it as it pertains to March Madness.

00:57:22.180 That is where your problem lies.

00:57:24.320 That's exactly right.

00:57:25.320 I remember a couple years ago, my little guy had a serious injury while skiing and he was laid up in the ICU for a week.

00:57:32.060 And we were watching the March Madness tournament, totally got him through it.

00:57:35.160 And that was the year that Gonzaga had that guy, Timmy.

00:57:37.760 I don't remember his full name, but he was amazing.

00:57:39.980 He got – they were getting beaten down.

00:57:42.020 They went into the locker room at halftime and he turned around that team and it was – they came back and they made it – they didn't win the tournament, but they made it far.

00:57:49.360 And it was so exciting and it was a Cinderella kind of thing.

00:57:52.040 And that's kind of what I thought might happen with some of these other schools, but so far, no.

00:57:55.120 I think he's still about Ruth Timmy, if I remember correctly.

00:57:57.460 I think that's who it was.

00:57:58.140 What's that?

00:57:58.400 I think that's who it was, but I'm not sure.

00:58:00.200 I think his name was Ruth Timmy.

00:58:01.160 He has the facial hair.

00:58:01.720 He's got the beard.

00:58:02.800 I can't remember.

00:58:04.020 Drew Timmy.

00:58:04.780 Yeah, he did go on to the NBA.

00:58:07.500 Yeah.

00:58:08.040 Okay, but here's – let me – I got to ask you about Duke or I'd be remiss.

00:58:11.340 Now, the only reason I voted for Duke, my husband went there, but I usually don't vote for them just because he went there.

00:58:16.680 I have my system, right?

00:58:18.300 If I have a connection to the city, I vote for them unless the odds are just crazy.

00:58:22.960 Yeah.

00:58:23.300 So, but this year, Doug took our whole family to watch Duke play a game against Illinois at Madison Square Garden.

00:58:30.100 And they looked amazing.

00:58:31.940 They looked so good.

00:58:33.220 And everybody was talking about Cooper Flagg.

00:58:36.200 Everybody's in love with this guy, Cooper Flagg, who's – he's amazing.

00:58:38.880 He's 6'9".

00:58:39.820 But I have to tell you – I have to look at the names because I don't have them off the top of my head.

00:58:43.720 Tyrese Proctor was the one who wowed me.

00:58:46.640 Who is the best player on Duke and why is it Tyrese Proctor?

00:58:51.040 Well, it's Cooper Flagg.

00:58:53.000 But when you look at Proctor, he can really shoot.

00:58:55.980 Hit 9 of 10 shots yesterday.

00:58:57.600 7 of 8 from three-point range.

00:58:58.920 He was absolutely sensational.

00:59:00.460 But Duke overall completely outclassed Baylor.

00:59:02.980 Baylor was just not in their league.

00:59:04.900 That's number one.

00:59:05.620 Number two, remember that Cooper Flagg really injured his ankle, came down really hard in the ACC Conference Tournament,

00:59:13.460 had to miss the semifinals and the Conference Championship Games, which Duke ended up winning without him.

00:59:18.240 So, Coach Jaya has succeeded Coach Mike Krzyzewski, Coach K, as he's affectionately known.

00:59:24.160 And he's really, really kept this program on a level we're accustomed to seeing Duke's program.

00:59:29.460 So, that's major, major props to him.

00:59:31.280 But Flagg is something special.

00:59:33.020 They've been talking about him for years.

00:59:34.580 We've watched him.

00:59:35.920 His game is pure.

00:59:37.460 He's got a J. 0.81

00:59:38.360 He can get to the hole.

00:59:39.800 He doesn't look big with a lot of girth.

00:59:42.300 But he's strong.

00:59:43.180 He can get to the hole.

00:59:44.320 He can finish at the basket.

00:59:45.740 He's got all the requisite tools.

00:59:48.080 He's expected to be the number one overall pick in the upcoming NBA draft.

00:59:53.020 And so, when you look at his size, his skill set, his ball handling skills, passing ability, shooting ability, etc.

00:59:58.400 And you're going to look at him.

00:59:59.520 He led the team in points, rebounds, assists, and steals.

01:00:02.120 That's what he did for Duke this year as a freshman.

01:00:04.800 And he's as a freshman.

01:00:05.580 That's what he brings to the table.

01:00:06.940 And so, he's legit.

01:00:08.400 And then, the marketability.

01:00:10.840 You'll appreciate this.

01:00:12.080 Get ready.

01:00:12.920 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:13.320 Because, again, and not to make light of it, you know, our president with the assassination attempt.

01:00:19.820 Remember, he's got blood trickling down his face.

01:00:22.260 He gets up.

01:00:22.840 And one of the things I said at the time was, that's the American flag behind him.

01:00:26.640 You can't get a better photo op than that.

01:00:28.800 It's impossible.

01:00:30.000 It's impossible, okay?

01:00:31.720 Well, flag, what have they already started doing?

01:00:34.040 Not that they're feeding off of that.

01:00:36.160 I certainly don't mean to imply that.

01:00:37.460 But when they talk about this kid, because of his name, you see promotional and marketing tools with him behind the American flag.

01:00:47.300 Flag.

01:00:48.120 Flag behind him.

01:00:49.480 They're going to market this for him.

01:00:50.900 That's smart.

01:00:51.260 And he's going to live up to it, because he can play.

01:00:54.100 And it's smarter in their part.

01:00:55.160 It really, really is.

01:00:56.360 Because he's going to be somebody that typifies and personifies the American green.

01:00:59.620 You don't hear about big-time college players coming from Maine.

01:01:02.820 He does.

01:01:03.920 And this is what he is.

01:01:05.140 And he's going to bring a game to the table, because he can play.

01:01:08.700 My kids looked up.

01:01:10.020 He's 6'9", how tall he was when he was closer to their age.

01:01:13.080 They're in 8th grade, 9th grade, and 5th grade.

01:01:15.360 And in 8th grade, according to the internets, he was already 6'7", which is great.

01:01:21.260 It's easy to think about an 8th grader who's 6'7".

01:01:24.920 Last night, we saw him take an elbow in the eye, and he did look like he had a shiner coming on, and he still played.

01:01:30.260 He kept going.

01:01:31.300 Respect that, too, how these athletes all play.

01:01:33.440 They all play hurt.

01:01:34.460 I will say this just before we close out our sporting discussion.

01:01:38.420 What happened to Syracuse, where I went?

01:01:41.180 When I went there, back in the dark ages, 88 to 92, we were great.

01:01:48.480 We were always at the top.

01:01:49.860 It was us, Georgetown, sometimes Duke, Villanova, you know, for the top spot.

01:01:55.100 They're not even in the tournament, Stephen A.

01:01:57.620 What happened to Syracuse?

01:01:59.840 Well, they're not as good.

01:02:00.960 They're not as good.

01:02:01.740 Bayham is no longer the coach.

01:02:02.780 I gleaned that.

01:02:04.320 I will tell you this, though.

01:02:06.060 I think that Carmelo Anthony, the great Carmelo Anthony, used to play in the NBA, one of the great, great scorers in NBA history.

01:02:11.600 His son is going to Syracuse next season, four-star player, got a lot of skills, considered probably the best player in New York.

01:02:19.200 He's going to Syracuse.

01:02:20.040 So I think that you'll see somewhat of a resurrection.

01:02:23.120 I'm going to tell you what really, really disappoints you about Syracuse without you even realizing it.

01:02:27.840 Those days that you're talking about, Megan, they were in the Big East.

01:02:31.520 That's not the case anymore.

01:02:33.340 What happened to the Big East?

01:02:34.660 It was Georgetown.

01:02:36.000 It was Villanova.

01:02:37.460 It was St. John's.

01:02:39.200 It was even Providence, for crying out loud.

01:02:41.640 I mean, Big East was the place to be.

01:02:44.440 That Syracuse being in another conference just doesn't feel right.

01:02:48.840 And I think from a recruiting standpoint, they've been somewhat compromised in that regard as well,

01:02:55.040 because you're looking at them and you're saying, this ain't the team.

01:02:58.560 This ain't the program that had Dwayne Pearl Washington, the greatest show in the history of college basketball.

01:03:03.480 I'm talking about a showman.

01:03:04.300 This brother could dance on anybody.

01:03:06.060 Okay?

01:03:06.420 They had Carmelo Anthony.

01:03:07.980 Back in the day, they had Billy Owens.

01:03:09.580 They had Derek Coleman.

01:03:10.760 They had Sherman Dunn.

01:03:11.740 He was my neighbor.

01:03:12.240 They had players like that.

01:03:12.920 Billy and Michael Owens, who is a great football player.

01:03:15.140 They were brothers.

01:03:15.700 They lived right next door to me.

01:03:17.800 There you go.

01:03:18.680 Oh, okay.

01:03:19.260 Billy just texted me about a month ago or so.

01:03:21.240 I hadn't spoken to him in a year.

01:03:22.280 Well, you tell him I live next to him at Sky Top.

01:03:24.160 And they constantly were giving us free tickets to go watch the games.

01:03:26.500 And I was like, eh, I'm good.

01:03:27.800 They were like, you're kidding.

01:03:29.080 Everybody's coming.

01:03:30.980 You see teams.

01:03:31.780 You see basketball programs.

01:03:33.500 They're having like 12, 13,000.

01:03:36.160 You go to the Carrier Dome, 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 people watching a basketball game.

01:03:42.420 That's what the Carrier Dome and the Syracuse program gave to you.

01:03:45.920 And I think them being out of the Big East somewhat compromises their allure to some degree.

01:03:52.700 It's just my opinion, but I think it's an educated one.

01:03:54.860 You know what's crazy, too, is I didn't follow it as closely in basketball, but when I was there, I dated the captain of the lacrosse team that won three Division I national championships.

01:04:04.440 And so I followed lacrosse, and they got their medals, like their first place trophies taken away from them after the fact for some alleged recruiting violations that, as memory serves, had to do with like, you know, they bent some of the rules around like driving players, parents around in limousines, that kind of stuff.

01:04:23.020 All of which they all do now, Stephen A.

01:04:25.240 You know, it's like, and by the way, they were all doing it then, too.

01:04:28.080 It just seems so unfair that I think that's what happened to the basketball program is it got its hands slapped for some of these violations.

01:04:35.380 And then once you get slapped hard enough, it's very hard to get back up as a basketball team.

01:04:40.940 They've never quite rebounded to steal a sports phrase.

01:04:44.800 That's a valid point.

01:04:45.600 That's a valid point.

01:04:46.440 And it was the hypocrisy of the NCAA.

01:04:48.260 And they sort of compromised college sports where it's harmed, particularly the sport of college basketball at this particular moment in time.

01:04:56.600 Here, certainly, guys were getting paid back in the day or whatever.

01:04:59.400 But you're talking about you having a star player and, you know what, he couldn't go home to see and get some money to go home to see his family for the holidays when you know he couldn't afford it.

01:05:11.980 Or he could go in a bookstore and there's jerseys in his name or whatever, and if somebody gave him a free jersey, it was an NCAA violation, even though he's generating millions of dollars for the program.

01:05:26.400 This is the ridiculousness and the hypocrisy of the NCAA that reigned supreme for many, many years.

01:05:32.380 So now that their comeuppance has arrived, when we're talking about NIL, when we're talking about the trade portal, when we're talking about players being paid, when we're talking about agents being involved, where coaches feel embezzled for crying out loud by these agents and stuff like that, it's something that the NCAA brought upon itself. 0.87

01:05:50.440 Because for so long, they took advantage of guys that came from depraved environments or poverty-stricken environments.

01:05:58.320 You knew that you said, OK, they're at our mercy.

01:06:01.480 You gave them a scholarship and called it a day while you were collecting a boatload of the benefits that they generated.

01:06:06.960 And so ultimately, that change has come, and as a result, these folks are taking full advantage of it.

01:06:12.980 But in the process, the real authentic feel that you had, the purity of the sport itself and what you loved about it most, seems to be evaporated before our very eyes because of it all now.

01:06:25.340 You're so right. God, that really captures it.

01:06:27.740 All right, so we talked about how smart it is to put Cooper Flagg in front of a flag, and we did see him all over the ads when we watched NCAA.

01:06:34.040 But what's not smart? A disturbing collection of young people on spring break.

01:06:40.740 Now, I left off here with Ben Shapiro, and I've got to pick it back up with you because it's just too delicious.

01:06:45.580 And again, props to the gal who went down there and got all these folks on camera. 1.00

01:06:49.460 I think her name is Caitlin Bennett, and she posts under Liberty Hangout TV.

01:06:55.360 She used to be with Turning Point, Charlie Kirk's group.

01:06:58.220 So what you missed, Stephen, was we played a long clip.

01:07:01.960 I'm going to play another one where they were asked, how many U.S. senators are there?

01:07:06.120 And we heard answers like six, six total U.S. senators.

01:07:11.060 How many amendments are in the Bill of Rights?

01:07:13.500 Which, of course, is the first 10 amendments to the Constitution.

01:07:15.780 17.

01:07:17.120 Who won the Civil War, American Civil War?

01:07:19.240 Was it East or West?

01:07:20.520 The students responded.

01:07:23.360 Name a Supreme Court justice.

01:07:24.560 The girl said, is it the FBI on the Supreme Court?

01:07:30.540 And here's a little more for you from the spring breakers down someplace south of the border.

01:07:37.860 What's the beginning of the national anthem?

01:07:41.100 Oh, my God.

01:07:41.600 I pledged to leave.

01:07:42.400 No.

01:07:43.140 Wait.

01:07:43.780 What is the name of the national anthem?

01:07:46.560 Is that the name?

01:07:51.920 The name?

01:07:56.220 Bro has it.

01:07:59.940 Star?

01:08:00.380 Star bangle or something like that?

01:08:01.820 I don't even know.

01:08:02.500 I don't know.

01:08:03.260 What is it?

01:08:03.900 Wait.

01:08:04.080 Stars and stripes?

01:08:06.720 All right.

01:08:07.900 It was Clearwater, Florida.

01:08:09.120 Not quite south of the border.

01:08:10.120 Your thoughts on—this is just a rando look into Gen Z.

01:08:16.940 I realize very few people can name even one Supreme Court justice, but I feel like most people know the FBI as an institution does not hold one of the seats.

01:08:28.060 Help me out, Stephen.

01:08:31.040 Well, I think that—here's the problem.

01:08:34.500 I mean, when we think about it right now, you have a very successful show on SiriusXM.

01:08:39.540 We follow you on YouTube, stuff like that.

01:08:41.620 Me, YouTube.

01:08:42.360 You got all of these outlets, and everybody's got a podcast, and everybody's got something going on, right?

01:08:46.900 And I think that unlike years in the past where you had to go to school, capture an education, and find a way to finagle that into building a prosperous life for yourself,

01:09:00.220 something that could sustain and hopefully elevate your quality of life, I don't think you have a lot of kids looking at that today.

01:09:07.060 The late, great coach John Chaney from Temple University lamented decades ago that we're living in a microwave society.

01:09:15.880 Everybody wants something now.

01:09:18.100 So they don't prioritize learning.

01:09:20.740 They prioritize getting by so they can get there somewhere down the line sooner than later.

01:09:28.500 That's the America that I think that we're living in.

01:09:31.480 That's the America that I think a lot of people are leaning on, and they're not looking at the forest from the trees,

01:09:37.420 and they're not looking at the marathon instead of the sprint.

01:09:40.720 That's just their mentality, and that's the challenge that we have as a society.

01:09:44.120 That's what we've got to look forward to.

01:09:45.100 And I think that somebody such as yourself who's been—you know, everybody looks at you as hosting this show.

01:09:50.540 They don't realize what an outstanding reporter you've been throughout the years.

01:09:53.780 They don't look at it that way.

01:09:55.800 They don't see it that way.

01:09:56.680 They don't see somebody like you or me who've been in the business for decades and built something.

01:10:01.880 They want it now.

01:10:03.260 You understand?

01:10:04.040 And, you know, with your kids, my kids, anybody else, you see everybody.

01:10:07.580 Everything's about now.

01:10:08.980 Nothing's about waiting.

01:10:10.140 Nothing's about working it through.

01:10:11.640 Nothing is about failing and falling and getting back up and persevering and understanding this trials and tribulations with everything.

01:10:18.420 Everything is about now, and the world is going to come to an end if we don't get what we want now.

01:10:22.820 So we're in school.

01:10:23.520 Let's have a good time.

01:10:24.120 We're here to have a good time.

01:10:25.080 Yeah, we got to go to class, but we really want the parties.

01:10:28.060 You know what I'm saying?

01:10:28.280 We really want to hang out.

01:10:29.660 We really want to enjoy ourselves.

01:10:31.900 Like, that's the purpose that you have in going to school.

01:10:35.520 This is their mentality.

01:10:37.120 And they view us, parents, supervisors, bosses, adults, et cetera.

01:10:41.780 They view all of us as the problem.

01:10:43.420 We just don't get it.

01:10:44.940 We're archaic.

01:10:45.840 We don't understand what it is that they have to endure on what their life is like.

01:10:51.520 And so they commingle with one another, and they feed themselves this kind of nonsense.

01:10:55.560 And ultimately, they got to find out reality.

01:10:57.900 They're going to run into reality sooner than later.

01:10:59.640 But it's always the case.

01:11:00.960 And it doesn't matter race, ethnicity, whatever the case may be.

01:11:04.340 None of that matters.

01:11:05.320 It seems to be something that's going on universally.

01:11:07.720 And it's just a challenge that adults in the room have to face.

01:11:11.440 One thing may matter.

01:11:13.060 I agree with you on the race, et cetera.

01:11:14.400 But I do think being extremely hot as a college girl can be a detriment to you. 0.99

01:11:20.700 And I can say this as somebody who wasn't.

01:11:23.620 But I think these girls, they're all very beautiful.

01:11:26.600 They have perfect bikini bodies. 0.96

01:11:28.420 And I think they've been able to skate by already in life for too long on those impressive attributes.

01:11:35.560 And girls, I am here to tell you, it won't last.

01:11:39.340 You need to develop your minds.

01:11:41.780 Because even men who are attracted to your beautiful looks will eventually want someone to keep the conversation going at dinner. 1.00

01:11:48.260 It may happen two years into a relationship.

01:11:50.640 It may happen after three kids, when nobody's body looks the same as they did pre-kids.

01:11:55.600 You can get it close, but not the same.

01:11:58.120 But at some point, your future mate is going to want you to say something clever about something.

01:12:04.820 And correct me if I'm wrong, Stephen A., but most men will look at women and think, 1.00

01:12:08.700 do I want to reproduce with this person and create another generation of idiots? 1.00

01:12:15.380 Like, doesn't somewhat of a mind factor in when choosing not your date for Saturday night, 1.00

01:12:21.720 but your date for every Saturday night?

01:12:25.360 It's not popular to say, and most men are scared to say these things,

01:12:30.740 I'm not going to be.

01:12:31.900 I'm going to give it to you straight.

01:12:33.060 Oh, boy.

01:12:34.000 I don't know where it's going.

01:12:35.360 First of all, as men, we are physical creatures first.

01:12:39.600 We're not limited to that.

01:12:41.500 But that's where we start.

01:12:43.320 We covet what we see.

01:12:45.420 So what happens is when you're young, you're coveting what you see.

01:12:49.600 The reason why I somewhat disagree with you about the quote-unquote hot young ladies

01:12:54.960 and how it eventually ends, yes, that's true.

01:12:58.180 But it ends sooner than later.

01:13:00.740 And the reason why is because even when she's hot while she's young and that young dude wants 0.94

01:13:07.600 to get with her, once he gets with her, he's looking for the next hot one in a lot of instances.

01:13:13.080 Right there at the time that she's young.

01:13:15.920 It's not like she finds out when she gets older.

01:13:18.200 She finds out when she's in college.

01:13:20.100 She's about to help.

01:13:21.040 And so it hits her relatively quickly.

01:13:24.220 So the challenge at that particular moment in time is, are you going to embrace the fact

01:13:29.440 that there are individuals that can be that way and that's who you want to ward off and

01:13:35.060 this is how you ward them off?

01:13:36.380 Or are you so caught up in your ego that you're going to say, on to the next?

01:13:40.900 We live in a society.

01:13:42.580 Back in the day, you had young ladies. 0.99

01:13:44.480 They're not sitting around and like, you know, okay, I'm just going to go to the next guy

01:13:49.920 and I'm going to move on with my life.

01:13:51.340 They sort of lick their wounds to some degree because they're hurt and they want to be respected

01:13:57.120 and what have you.

01:13:58.580 In today's society, even though you have a lot of young ladies that may feel that way,

01:14:02.900 in the same breath, we live in a society that, you know, discover.

01:14:06.860 And there's always somebody to uplift her spirits and allows her to believe that she might be right.

01:14:13.120 And him to believe he may be right when he's hanging out with his boys.

01:14:17.380 And there's very, very little accountability.

01:14:20.200 And that's really where it comes down to because, okay, he doesn't find me good looking.

01:14:24.820 He doesn't find me to be the greatest, but I can go on to the next and I'll be just fine.

01:14:29.060 And you're not thinking about how that's going to affect you morally if you keep getting rejected

01:14:34.540 and you refuse to look at yourself until it's too late down the road.

01:14:38.000 The more introspection you do at a very early age, the more lethal you are when you're older

01:14:44.700 because you're not going to fall for the foolishness the way you once did.

01:14:49.600 Ladies usually learn that a hell of a lot quicker than the fellas. 1.00

01:14:53.060 But because the fellas don't learn it quick enough, you find problems wherever you go,

01:14:57.860 which elevates the frustration of women. 1.00

01:15:00.040 And that's why you have so much dissension a lot of times because you keep running into the same problems

01:15:04.760 because the fellas don't learn till later. 1.00

01:15:07.540 The ladies learn earlier. 1.00

01:15:09.320 And that is how you wind up thinking that there are a total of six U.S. senators.

01:15:14.580 I can't.

01:15:17.400 Girls, call me.

01:15:18.600 You can email me right now.

01:15:19.760 It's megan at megankelly.com.

01:15:21.660 I will help you.

01:15:23.140 I will help all of you.

01:15:24.680 First thing is we're going to have to put on a bathing suit cover-up.

01:15:27.020 We're going to have to sit down for two hours a day.

01:15:29.040 You can watch Stephen A.

01:15:29.860 You can watch MK.

01:15:31.040 Your choice, but you're going to have to take in something.

01:15:33.160 Okay, speaking of running for office, there's a lot of buzz about you

01:15:41.180 because the Democrats desperately need somebody with charisma, personality, strong views, and smarts

01:15:48.460 who maybe isn't a partisan hack, that's all you, to step in and say, I will help you.

01:15:54.560 Are you kicking it around a little?

01:15:57.060 I'm not considering it.

01:15:59.280 I was recently in the news for agreeing to a new contract extension with ESPN.

01:16:02.520 My life is pretty damn well.

01:16:04.140 I really don't need politics.

01:16:05.520 I don't need that headache.

01:16:06.980 I'm not thinking about it at all.

01:16:08.980 And I've said that I think it's ridiculous that I am a candidate, but the more I think about it,

01:16:14.400 I understand it.

01:16:15.540 The Democratic Party is an absolute mess, and they are devoid of leadership on a national level.

01:16:21.600 I am a fan of Governor Westmore of Maryland, Josh Shapiro, who I had the pleasure of interviewing

01:16:27.420 on my podcast during Super Bowl week for Pennsylvania.

01:16:30.520 I respect these guys and what have you, but I'm talking about a national voice, meaning

01:16:34.340 somebody in the House or the Senate or somebody in the business community that resonates on

01:16:38.960 the left.

01:16:39.640 No, there's none of that because they've been pulled too far to the left.

01:16:42.960 And, you know, it's not popular for me to say because primarily I voted Democratic throughout

01:16:47.960 my life as I have never been shy about articulating, particularly for the presidency.

01:16:53.680 But, you know, right is right.

01:16:55.120 And I watched you, Megan, leading up to the election, and I just had to say, I was finding 0.97

01:17:00.280 myself like, damn, she's right. 0.99

01:17:03.180 Damn, she's right. 1.00

01:17:04.740 Damn, I'm looking for something to disagree about. 0.99

01:17:06.720 And I'm like, I can't find it. 0.99

01:17:09.020 You know, she's on them, you know, she's on them, you know, and so I look at things and

01:17:14.660 I'm a moderate, I'm a centrist, and I'm the kind of person that, do I believe that

01:17:19.360 if I committed myself to knowing politics the way you and others know it, do I believe

01:17:25.600 I could win a Democratic nomination?

01:17:29.620 Hell yes.

01:17:30.520 Particularly the state of affairs that exists, I think it would be a cakewalk.

01:17:33.560 I think I'd take them all out.

01:17:34.660 I really, really believe that.

01:17:35.800 I really think I could take them.

01:17:37.100 And maybe in three years from now, I'll feel a bit differently.

01:17:40.200 I just can't imagine that's going to happen.

01:17:42.060 I'm not a politician.

01:17:43.040 I'm not knowledgeable enough about all the intricacies that come along with politics.

01:17:46.880 Trump wasn't a politician either.

01:17:49.380 So I watch people like yourself and others on both sides of the aisle.

01:17:53.580 I read, I pay attention, but I'm no aficionado.

01:17:56.960 But it's just so bad on the left right now.

01:18:00.600 And I tell you, I do believe that I'd be a formidable candidate because I know I know how

01:18:05.960 the debate, I would look forward to going up against folks on the right and the left.

01:18:10.780 And I would talk about, I would be about common sense.

01:18:13.880 And I would be about, you know what?

01:18:15.640 We're not going to sit up there and look at, I don't care if it's Trump.

01:18:18.840 I don't care if it's Vice President Vance.

01:18:20.180 I don't care if it's Rubio.

01:18:21.480 I don't care if it's Hegseth.

01:18:22.640 I don't care who the hell it is.

01:18:23.800 I don't care if it's Megyn Kelly. 1.00

01:18:25.260 Damn it. 0.99

01:18:25.540 If you're right, you're right. 1.00

01:18:26.540 What's the crime in saying, that's a good point? 1.00

01:18:28.940 I got to think about that.

01:18:30.200 You got a good point there.

01:18:30.960 I would be so disarming.

01:18:31.900 And that you do the same in return if we're going up against.

01:18:36.560 But I think that they completely surrendered themselves to the extreme.

01:18:41.620 Feel or think about MAGA right.

01:18:44.360 The fact of the matter is, whatever they were saying about MAGA right, they were no better

01:18:48.680 on the left.

01:18:49.680 It was embarrassing.

01:18:51.220 It was a disgraceful performance.

01:18:53.400 You are absolutely right when you were pointing out how they hoodwinked the public.

01:18:56.720 We all knew there was slippage.

01:18:57.800 And if you remember, when I called out President Biden at the time, it was a year before the

01:19:03.280 debate.

01:19:04.160 A year.

01:19:05.180 I said, yo, something's missing.

01:19:08.480 He's not there.

01:19:09.600 He's not going to make it to the Democratic National Convention, okay?

01:19:13.020 You got to get another candidate.

01:19:14.840 I was excoriated.

01:19:16.180 I was raked through the coals. 0.99

01:19:17.400 Who the hell is he? 0.98

01:19:18.160 What does he know? 0.97

01:19:18.820 Stick to sports or whatever.

01:19:19.980 But look at you now.

01:19:21.020 Because I was right.

01:19:22.080 I was right about that.

01:19:22.960 I was right about Kamala.

01:19:23.920 I was right about you leaning to the extreme left.

01:19:26.020 Woke culture, cancel culture, and all of this stuff in between.

01:19:30.020 You were focusing on transgender.

01:19:31.540 First of all, you didn't even focus on the LGBTQ community.

01:19:34.880 You literally focused on one element of that community with transgender folks, which make

01:19:39.000 up less than 1% of the population.

01:19:41.140 You're talking about the borders, and it's no problem.

01:19:44.040 Even though even Obama himself deported more people than Trump did.

01:19:48.760 And so for Biden to go completely against that, for Kamala Harris to sign off on it, there

01:19:54.440 were so many elements and increments where I'm looking at the right, and I'm saying I

01:19:58.080 could have some problems with some of the things that they're suggesting.

01:20:00.840 I could look at certain things and say, yo, I'm not vibing with that.

01:20:03.180 That's not what I want for this country.

01:20:05.020 But what the left did, they were in no moral position to say anything.

01:20:11.200 Yet they tried to act like they were.

01:20:13.800 And you know where the proof is about how sad things are, Megan?

01:20:16.520 Megan, the election is over.

01:20:18.600 The man has been in office for months.

01:20:20.500 And they are still acting like they're on the campaign trail, spewing the same old stuff

01:20:24.340 they were doing during the campaign.

01:20:25.940 I think the man won every swing state, elevated his votes into Black, to Hispanic, and young

01:20:30.980 voters, okay?

01:20:32.540 He's increased in every possible category imaginable.

01:20:35.160 He won the popular vote for the first time for the Republicans since 2004.

01:20:38.460 You would think they would say, man, we got to change up.

01:20:42.100 Instead, they're walking around talking about there's no mandate.

01:20:44.900 There's no mandate at all.

01:20:46.040 I'm like, really?

01:20:47.640 They still don't.

01:20:48.120 Oh, wait, we have that.

01:20:48.980 They tried to pull that on you when you went on The View.

01:20:52.640 And you gave them a bit of what you just said.

01:20:55.140 And it was a thing of beauty because they don't often have somebody come on and say

01:20:57.800 what's real to them.

01:20:59.600 Here it is in Sot 30.

01:21:02.000 He won the popular vote by 1.5 percent, one of the smallest ever.

01:21:06.720 And he won the general election by less than 50 percent.

01:21:09.500 So what kind of mandate is this really?

01:21:10.980 Well, it is a mandate.

01:21:12.200 And I'm going to explain why.

01:21:13.320 And I don't mind the question, but let me be very clear.

01:21:15.840 I'm no supporter of Trump.

01:21:17.180 I'm a supporter of truth and the facts.

01:21:18.920 And here's the facts.

01:21:20.160 The man won every swing state.

01:21:21.720 He increased in terms of his voter turnout in his favor from the standpoint of blacks,

01:21:27.560 Latinos, and young voters.

01:21:29.360 He increased his numbers in that regard from 2020.

01:21:32.860 Eighty-nine percent of the counties shifted to the right.

01:21:37.360 That's a mandate.

01:21:38.280 I don't understand how people can look at that and say, there's no mandate.

01:21:42.200 There's a mandate.

01:21:42.900 Well, it's a different definition of a mandate, I guess.

01:21:46.420 Do you think you got through?

01:21:49.900 Um, I think so.

01:21:52.080 Um, I've known, I've known Whoopi for years.

01:21:55.540 Um, you know, I look at The View.

01:21:58.260 Um, they're my colleagues.

01:21:59.420 We all work for the same company.

01:22:00.740 I root for them.

01:22:01.660 I will never root against them.

01:22:03.340 But we're not going to lie to each other.

01:22:05.340 And I'm not going to sit up there and let them lie to themselves.

01:22:08.920 You know, because there's a mandate.

01:22:11.080 Now, understand what I mean by a mandate, Megan.

01:22:14.160 I'm not saying that that means that Trump gets to do whatever he wants to do,

01:22:18.760 whatever way he wants to do it, without a complaint or any level of skepticism or anything like that.

01:22:24.220 What I mean by a mandate is that they're more interested in what he's doing than what you were saying you wanted to do.

01:22:30.500 Don't come and act like the American public wants to flow with you.

01:22:36.060 They don't.

01:22:37.220 They don't.

01:22:38.160 Because they're sick and tired of what you've been doing.

01:22:41.920 They're sick and tired of how you've been doing it.

01:22:44.080 They're sick and tired of how you hoodwink.

01:22:45.720 We had, we got to a point where people were worried about their jobs if they didn't pronounce the right pronoun. 0.97

01:22:51.680 You have any idea how ridiculous that is? 0.84

01:22:53.300 Of course you do. 0.98

01:22:53.900 It's a rhetorical question.

01:22:54.720 You would know that better than me because you cover this stuff every day. 0.99

01:22:57.000 I'm sitting there and I feel like I've been pulled into this because of how utterly ridiculous they are. 0.93

01:23:04.400 What happened? 0.96

01:23:05.100 You know, and this is the same party that raved about Bill Clinton.

01:23:08.140 Well, what happened with Bill Clinton?

01:23:09.780 Takes office in 1992, 1994, Newt Gingrich in the House.

01:23:13.260 They do their thing.

01:23:14.400 They collaborate and they work together.

01:23:17.240 Yes, he departed with a surplus.

01:23:19.180 But that was from assistance from folks on the right.

01:23:23.100 Newsflash.

01:23:23.760 That means going across the aisle and working together.

01:23:26.160 That means finding compromise, not just from a policy perspective, but from the psyche of America.

01:23:32.720 And I'm talking about, like, if I look at you, I got into this argument with Sean Hannity the other day.

01:23:37.500 I said, this is the problem that I have with some of y'all.

01:23:40.100 I said, you might have inside information.

01:23:43.040 And I had this issue with Bill O'Reilly, too.

01:23:45.220 You might have inside information.

01:23:47.100 You may know something.

01:23:48.300 And because you know, it's okay.

01:23:50.740 Well, guess what?

01:23:52.320 I'll use this analogy, Megan.

01:23:53.940 And let's say, for example, Trump gets into something and he gets in a bit too deep.

01:23:58.640 Let's say, for example, he wasn't, you know, seemingly against Ukraine at times or whatever the case may be.

01:24:03.820 And let's say we're on the verge of being at war with Russia, China, whomever.

01:24:07.840 Let's say something happens and we think we're on the brink of World War III.

01:24:10.940 But Megyn Kelly, because of her knowledge and her connections, knows better.

01:24:14.560 And Bill O'Reilly knows better and Hannity and everybody else knows better.

01:24:17.760 And we're going through this for three months.

01:24:20.180 You may know.

01:24:21.580 But what about the hundreds of millions of American citizens that have no clue and are sitting in fear that World War III or a nuclear holocaust is going to take place?

01:24:31.860 How stressed do you think their lives are?

01:24:33.980 I don't think we think enough about that, which is why I think it's incredibly important for a centrist, a moderate on either side of the aisle to be in office because you're showing decorum. 0.98

01:24:46.080 You're showing an ability to work with one another and you're assuaging the concerns of the American public so we don't the rest of us don't lose our damn minds. 0.98

01:24:55.760 That's all. 0.98

01:24:56.360 That's the kind of stuff that I talk about.

01:24:58.360 And that's the kind of message that I try to get across to people.

01:25:00.580 That's where I'm coming from.

01:25:01.340 Well, that's what's so interesting about Trump is that, you know, he spent his whole life as a Democrat.

01:25:05.720 I don't even know if he is a Republican now.

01:25:07.700 I mean, he's really just a he doesn't need the label.

01:25:09.980 He needs the label to run for president.

01:25:11.860 That's the way our system works.

01:25:12.960 But Trump is very open minded to left wing ideals.

01:25:16.540 Take tariffs.

01:25:17.460 That's one from the left.

01:25:18.800 But they just reject it out of hand because it comes from Trump and they don't like him and they don't want to give him a win.

01:25:25.600 But there really are areas in which the left could help him.

01:25:28.280 You know, his general approach to labor is much more Democrat than it is Republican.

01:25:33.340 He's gotten some guff from his own party on that, but they still don't want to deal with him.

01:25:36.900 I do want to play this soundbite because it it really jumped out.

01:25:40.140 I mean, it's very annoying.

01:25:41.280 The left does need to come to terms with how they lost and not just that, but why the Republicans won, which aren't exactly the same thing.

01:25:51.100 Like, why is the Republican Party so popular right now?

01:25:53.540 Why is a whole generation of young people turning Republican or and or conservative?

01:25:58.600 Those questions need to be answered by both sides in order for the Republicans to build on it in order for the Democrats to try to stop it and get back to where they once were.

01:26:06.580 So Ezra Klein, who's one of the gods on the left, he's got a podcast that the lefties listen to.

01:26:12.740 He's with The New York Times.

01:26:13.900 He went on with Bill Maher this past Friday night and they were on the subject of the deportations that were doing of these Venezuelan gang members.

01:26:23.860 And it led to a weird place in which Ezra Klein said the following.

01:26:29.140 Watch this.

01:26:30.740 But here, put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is doesn't follow politics that closely.

01:26:36.960 And they're Venezuelan gang members.

01:26:38.620 Why are we even arguing about this? 0.90

01:26:40.240 They shouldn't be in this country.

01:26:41.440 This guy's finally doing something about it.

01:26:43.380 He's kicking them out.

01:26:44.480 And a judge, one judge told him to stop.

01:26:47.640 Well, what law is this?

01:26:48.600 Why is it that one judge anywhere can say, oh, a president can't do this?

01:26:52.640 I mean, that's something that's a little abstruse to a lot of people.

01:26:56.240 Look, I think you can make the argument.

01:26:57.880 The question is, can you get to where people are listening to the argument?

01:27:01.180 The thing about the election, the thing about politics right now is Donald Trump wins people who don't like to think about politics.

01:27:08.480 Right. That's very, very clear in all the polling.

01:27:10.800 If you follow the news, you voted for the Democrats, by and large.

01:27:13.840 If you don't follow the news, you voted for him.

01:27:17.040 If you don't follow the news, you voted for Trump.

01:27:20.340 If you follow the news, you voted for Democrats.

01:27:21.840 This is so deeply offensive on so many levels, as if Republicans aren't consuming news.

01:27:27.840 Can I just give you the stats?

01:27:28.720 Because, I mean, obviously, my audience is well aware that Republicans follow news.

01:27:32.020 But I just pulled it up just for kicks.

01:27:34.200 Morning consult poll from September of 2024, this past September.

01:27:38.520 Nearly three in five Democrats and nearly three in five Republicans say they still watch broadcast news.

01:27:44.820 Partisan outlets have wide gaps in viewership.

01:27:47.040 Democrats, 23 percentage points more likely to watch CNN.

01:27:49.620 Republicans, 23 points more likely to watch Fox News.

01:27:52.960 The most frequent news consumption happens on social media.

01:27:57.500 Half of Democrats, 51 percent, and half of Republicans, 52 percent, say they turn to social media for news at least once a day, more frequently than any other news source.

01:28:08.320 And yet he wants you to believe that only the Democrats consume news.

01:28:13.320 And that's what caused them to vote for Kamala Harris. 0.99

01:28:16.700 And just the dumb, Neanderthal, uninformed people who didn't consume any news, you see, were wowed by Donald Trump's personality and charisma and went into the polling booth not understanding, Stephen A., what they were voting for. 1.00

01:28:30.680 To encapsulate what he said, y'all are a bunch of deplorables. 1.00

01:28:36.100 That's basically what he said.

01:28:37.400 That's basically what he said, which is what got them in trouble in 2016.

01:28:40.920 See, this is the nonsense that I'm talking about.

01:28:43.360 So, again, I'm a centrist that leans left on social issues, leans rights on fiscal issues.

01:28:50.760 Megyn Kelly, I watch a show as often as I possibly can.

01:28:54.840 I'm a fan.

01:28:56.040 I don't always agree with you.

01:28:57.860 What's wrong with having a conversation?

01:28:59.680 Why do I have to insult you because I disagree with you?

01:29:02.660 You know, I watched your interview with Bill Maher when you showed up on Real Time.

01:29:06.160 I think you showed up a few weeks before I showed up on there.

01:29:08.380 And you went back and forth with him, back and forth with him.

01:29:10.500 You know what I did?

01:29:11.280 I watched both arguments being made.

01:29:13.500 And I said, OK, who has the facts?

01:29:15.520 Let me look at this.

01:29:16.580 OK, she makes a good point there.

01:29:18.160 He made a good point there, but she made a good point here, here, there.

01:29:20.460 I'm looking at stuff like that and I'm like, that's how it's supposed to be.

01:29:24.380 But what the left has gotten accustomed to doing is vilifying you and denigrating you if you don't agree with them.

01:29:35.160 That's why the young voters turned against them.

01:29:37.700 You're a parent.

01:29:38.740 I'm a parent.

01:29:39.680 This is very, very simple.

01:29:41.600 Talk to a kid.

01:29:42.820 Talk to a youngster. 0.99

01:29:43.740 And even in the throes of trying to teach them or discipline them, call them an idiot and then ask yourself, how often are they going to listen to you? 0.98

01:29:52.520 How often are they going to even come in front of you to hear what you have to say? 0.99

01:29:55.960 Yet somehow, some way, folks on the left don't get this.

01:29:58.480 I've said to them on many occasions, I said, listen, over the last few months, I said, I'm not saying you sit idly by and be mute.

01:30:05.460 But in the same breath, the man won the election.

01:30:08.560 OK, see what he's going to do.

01:30:11.460 Speak against what you want to speak against in an effort to try to win the midterms.

01:30:17.000 OK, outside of that, that's your only recourse.

01:30:20.320 Because anything else you do, especially anything that remotely resembles the rhetoric that you were spewing on the campaign, you're dead in the water.

01:30:30.640 You don't have a chance because people are going to say that's the kind of nonsense we don't want to deal with.

01:30:35.680 We ain't trying to go back to that. 0.81

01:30:37.120 And as I said on Real Time with Bill Maher, as crazy as Trump can come across as being sometimes, particularly with his rhetoric and his stances when he's going up against them and what have you,

01:30:46.420 the reality is, no matter all the things that he's been through, he was considered closer to normal than the Democratic Party to the American people.

01:30:55.760 That is a fact.

01:30:57.300 If you know that, you would think you go back, you lick your wounds, you say, we got to re-strategize and we got to get our act together.

01:31:04.700 They didn't.

01:31:05.860 They still haven't.

01:31:07.060 And that's why if they continue on this path, the Republicans are going to win the midterms.

01:31:11.320 They're going to get even more seats.

01:31:12.840 And oh, by the way, he's going to they're going to win the presidency.

01:31:15.540 Now, I'm not down.

01:31:16.740 I don't want to hear anything from Steve Bannon about a third term.

01:31:20.020 The 22nd Amendment particularly stipulates, explicitly stipulates, it's two terms, Steve Bannon, not a third term.

01:31:26.660 We're hearing rumblings.

01:31:27.640 That's right.

01:31:28.000 I want to hear that.

01:31:28.980 I don't want to hear that.

01:31:29.840 I don't want to hear that.

01:31:30.880 J.D. Vance is the vice president.

01:31:32.860 Marco Rubio is the secretary of state.

01:31:34.900 Those are two candidates off the bat, disqualified, to run for the presidency of the United States of America.

01:31:40.060 I want to hear that, OK?

01:31:41.480 But if you're the left, you've got to stop being so emotional and you've got to stop disrespecting the competition.

01:31:50.140 If the right's the competition, that's so be it.

01:31:53.500 Deal with them respectfully.

01:31:55.220 Respect the competition and come up with a game plan that's different from the nonsense we're hearing.

01:31:59.560 It's amazing to me.

01:32:01.380 I've got to take a break, but I do want to say this.

01:32:03.220 Last week, we devoted almost an hour to a debate between, it wound up being between yours truly and Charles C.W. Cook of National Review on the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.

01:32:15.320 Now, in the cable news business, when I was hosting The Kelly File, they would have looked at me like I was a nutcase if I said I wanted to do that.

01:32:21.880 They'd say nobody will be interested in that.

01:32:23.860 It's going to be like watching paint dry.

01:32:25.940 Not so at all.

01:32:26.880 The numbers were huge on it.

01:32:28.040 The podcast did very well.

01:32:29.160 The YouTube clip did very well.

01:32:30.860 That YouTube show did very well.

01:32:32.820 Same.

01:32:33.220 Then we had Glenn Greenwald on a long debate about Mahmoud Khalil and also about the deportation of the Venezuelan gang.

01:32:38.900 All of it in depth, long debates with both sides represented, smart, respectful points, no disrespect.

01:32:46.300 And honestly, I think that's that's what brings the audience here.

01:32:49.760 They want to hear that.

01:32:51.120 Yes.

01:32:51.460 Ezra Klein does.

01:32:52.180 I would put my audience's knowledge about any of these subjects up against his audience any day of the week.

01:33:00.240 They're not offended by ideas with which they disagree.

01:33:03.520 They will suffer through somebody who they might not even love that much just to hear the ideas and hear them tested and hear my ideas, which represent a lot of my audience, tested as well.

01:33:12.920 That's what a normal, intellectually curious person does as opposed to a partisan hack.

01:33:18.980 Quick word from you, Stephen A., then I'll take the break.

01:33:20.720 That's the best form of education in this day and age.

01:33:26.120 Because if we've seen the newspaper industry disintegrate, as we've seen journalistic outlets being bored up by whomever, as we've seen so many things transpire before our very eyes in our society,

01:33:39.460 what we trust is to see two respectful, intelligent, opposite points of view expressing their ideas one up against one another,

01:33:51.340 because the audience views it as having healthy perspectives upon which to lean on and to contemplate before drawing a conclusion as to how they should feel.

01:34:01.300 To learn.

01:34:01.940 If you insult one side or the other, you don't trust it because there's an absence of objectivity.

01:34:06.860 So if I see Ezra Klein and I see him, no matter how great his work may have been, now I'm looking at you and I'm saying, so that's how you feel about the other side.

01:34:13.760 So anything you say about the other side is tainted because you're not being respectful about the competition.

01:34:19.380 I can't trust that you're going to be objective and fair.

01:34:23.360 And I don't want to hear you if I can't trust that.

01:34:26.080 That's right.

01:34:26.840 Just because they don't tune in to Ezra doesn't mean they don't know what's happening.

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01:38:49.820 So, Stephen A., this is another sports moment where, to confess, I knew nothing about this, but here's what happened.

01:38:55.820 Oklahoma State heavyweight Wyatt Hendrickson, who was not expected to win.

01:39:00.500 The other guy he was up against was an Olympic gold medalist.

01:39:04.360 But Hendrickson somehow pulled off one of the biggest upsets in NCAA wrestling history, won the match,

01:39:11.940 and then he, being a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force, did the following,

01:39:16.980 since his commander-in-chief was there watching.

01:39:20.000 Let's take a look.

01:39:22.760 Captain America.

01:39:27.400 Salutes.

01:39:28.040 Captain America.

01:39:29.260 Rock.

01:39:29.780 I can't believe it.

01:39:30.620 My jaw's on the floor.

01:39:32.300 He did it.

01:39:33.380 Hey.

01:39:33.680 And Stephen A.

01:39:36.040 Trump with the, like, the punching, you know, hand the way he always does.

01:39:39.620 Great moment.

01:39:40.580 Sport.

01:39:40.860 Trump is using sports well in this presidency, no?

01:39:44.600 Absolutely.

01:39:45.100 I think it's a beautiful moment.

01:39:46.640 I really, really do.

01:39:47.480 And I think I was at the UFC event when John Bones Jones won a fight at Madison Square Garden,

01:39:51.640 and, you know, he started doing the Trump dance, per se, and what have you.

01:39:55.020 But, you know, the bottom line is this, whether people want to accept it or not,

01:40:00.480 the 47th president of the United States of America is Donald Trump.

01:40:05.300 And when you are doing something on behalf of America,

01:40:08.760 and you see your president in attendance,

01:40:11.840 there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing what that individual did.

01:40:16.500 Period.

01:40:17.400 Some people that didn't vote for Trump, that can't stand what he stands for, etc., etc.,

01:40:21.540 they'd have a problem with it.

01:40:23.400 Okay, it's one thing for you not to say.

01:40:26.020 It's one thing for you to say, well, I wouldn't do it because I didn't vote for him.

01:40:29.840 It's another thing entirely for you to have a problem with any young man,

01:40:33.680 any American that would choose to do that for the president of the United States.

01:40:37.520 It's respecting the office, and it's something that I think that we have forgotten about.

01:40:41.480 Now, just as an aside, you've got to remember something.

01:40:44.220 I have several issues with some of the things that I see Trump doing

01:40:47.440 or some things that he may have done in the past.

01:40:49.480 But I knew him before he ran for the presidency, Megan.

01:40:54.920 We used to go to his boxing events at Trump casinos.

01:40:59.420 We used to see him at Madison Square Garden.

01:41:02.180 I saw him one time where he introduced me to Bill O'Reilly, for crying out loud.

01:41:06.380 And some of the problems, some of the things that you hear people saying about him,

01:41:11.640 Black and otherwise, we didn't say that about him then.

01:41:15.040 He had no problem with him whatsoever.

01:41:17.940 But somehow, some way, now that he's in the position that he's in,

01:41:23.240 we want to come up with every incendiary thing that we can muster.

01:41:26.640 And obviously, to some degree, he influences that because you like him to behave better.

01:41:30.540 But the politicians on the opposite side certainly influence that rhetoric against him.

01:41:34.700 And too many people fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.

01:41:37.200 And as a result, we engage in vitriol as opposed to looking at them and saying,

01:41:41.500 excuse me, I don't want to hear that.

01:41:43.640 You're an elected official.

01:41:44.740 Figure out a way to work with him anyway.

01:41:46.860 Don't play that with me.

01:41:47.700 Yeah, I can complain.

01:41:49.020 They didn't send my behind up to Capitol Hill as an elected official.

01:41:52.180 I didn't campaign and ask you to elect me.

01:41:54.960 You did.

01:41:56.120 Figure it out and work with him.

01:41:58.400 And far too many occasions, people are not doing that.

01:42:00.720 And I'm not letting them off the hook on that.

01:42:02.520 He's the president.

01:42:03.380 You got to work with him.

01:42:04.400 Period.

01:42:04.820 Get over it.

01:42:05.880 That's right.

01:42:06.640 And I agree with you completely.

01:42:07.760 You show respect for the office.

01:42:08.900 That is his commander in chief.

01:42:10.580 And sports have always been an area that could potentially bring us together.

01:42:14.560 So it's great, I think, to see the president there.

01:42:16.560 There was another young man who, let's see, it's Nebraska wrestler Caleb Smith,

01:42:21.620 who they had a nice moment together.

01:42:23.560 And we love to see this.

01:42:24.720 Like Trump kind of glad handing with him with the arm around the neck.

01:42:27.760 People love this.

01:42:28.840 I think Joe Biden should have done more of this.

01:42:31.640 And Trump's spot on to lean into what's a natural affinity of his, which is sports.

01:42:36.220 It's Stephen A. Smith, thank you so much for being here.

01:42:38.940 It was a pleasure.

01:42:40.920 Anytime for you, Megan.

01:42:42.140 I love your show.

01:42:42.980 I love listening to you.

01:42:43.940 I love watching you.

01:42:44.760 I'm always here anytime you want me.

01:42:46.240 And by the way, I see you up in your knowledge in sports.

01:42:49.240 Don't come take my job, please.

01:42:50.760 Please don't do that.

01:42:51.420 I like my job.

01:42:52.220 I like my job.

01:42:53.420 You're good.

01:42:54.340 You have nothing to fear, literally.

01:42:57.020 Thanks again.

01:42:57.640 So here is the little extra that I wanted to bring to you today.

01:43:02.540 It's not hysterical, but it's mildly amusing.

01:43:05.780 So something happened to me on my vacation, at the tail end of my vacation, which I've just

01:43:10.500 been giggling to myself about.

01:43:12.280 I thought I'd share it with you guys.

01:43:13.820 So we were flying home from the Bahamas.

01:43:16.460 And I was with my family and was going through security to like get on the jet bridge, like

01:43:24.100 onto the plane with my family.

01:43:25.840 But something happened like right behind me that somehow delayed them.

01:43:29.040 And I actually never, I still don't know what exactly delayed them.

01:43:32.820 So the long and the short of it is I gave my boarding pass to the flight attendant, you

01:43:37.440 know, the gate agent, and she waved me through and I started walking down the jet bridge.

01:43:42.500 And then I looked back and there was this other family in between me and my family.

01:43:48.660 And they had like a bunch of bags and stuff.

01:43:50.560 So I was like, I better get on because I want to make sure I have some space overhead.

01:43:54.240 So I just kept going.

01:43:55.840 But then the jet bridge took a right angle.

01:43:58.380 It kind of turned right, right angle.

01:44:00.320 And I was like, well, this is just too, this is just begging for me to do this.

01:44:04.700 So I, I'm going to have to see the overhead space.

01:44:06.900 And I decided I would hide and scare my family because I love to scare them.

01:44:12.260 And they scare me all the time.

01:44:14.220 When we were down at the swimming pool down there, I was minding my own business.

01:44:18.180 I was reading my book.

01:44:19.220 Doug had been swimming with the kids and they sneaked up.

01:44:21.380 I didn't even see it.

01:44:22.000 And they scared me with like a large scream, dropped my book, scared.

01:44:26.380 It's fun.

01:44:27.060 You know, you laugh, you hate it in the moment, but then you kind of laugh about it because 1.00

01:44:29.600 you seem like an idiot. 1.00

01:44:30.860 Anyway. 1.00

01:44:31.840 So I'm like, I'm going to get them all.

01:44:33.720 I owe them.

01:44:34.680 Now I knew that there was a family behind me.

01:44:36.580 So of course I knew I had to wait.

01:44:38.320 Right.

01:44:38.500 So I'm, there I am.

01:44:39.940 I'm behind, behind the corner.

01:44:43.420 And I could hear the footsteps approaching.

01:44:48.860 So I jumped out.

01:44:50.900 I was like, boom, with the arms up, big body motions loud.

01:44:58.140 It wasn't them.

01:44:59.640 It was like some 40 year old man with a bald head who was like, ah, and then he and I were

01:45:13.480 just staring at each other, wondering why I had just done this to him, looking at each

01:45:20.780 other.

01:45:21.880 And he started laughing and then I started laughing and we both wound up doubled over

01:45:26.620 laughing.

01:45:27.400 So funny because it's a perfect stranger wondering, I don't know if he knew who I was or what,

01:45:32.180 but he was clearly wondering why the crazy lady was trying to terrify him as he boarded 0.82

01:45:37.080 the Delta flight.

01:45:38.820 And then my family had the extra bonus of having seen it all because they were next and they

01:45:44.640 watched exactly what I tried to do so terribly and artfully.

01:45:48.580 And we laughed about it for the rest of the flight.

01:45:51.920 And it turned out that guy was seated right in front of me on the plane.

01:45:57.120 It was all I could do not to keep scaring him.

01:46:00.300 I was dying to do it.

01:46:03.200 Then I was like, now, now it's just bordering out obnoxious.

01:46:06.020 Now I could actually like get in trouble.

01:46:07.780 So I didn't.

01:46:09.580 Anyway, sir, if you're out there, thank you for being such a good sport and for giving me

01:46:13.740 something that's kept me laughing for a solid two days now.

01:46:16.780 Thanks to all of you too for listening and we'll see you tomorrow.

01:46:25.460 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:46:27.380 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 24, 2025

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