The Megyn Kelly Show - Colbert Audience Laughs at CNN, Walz's Outrageous COVID Crackdowns, and Previewing Trump vs. Harris Debate, with The Fifth Column

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.880 The 2024 presidential race continues to tighten.

00:00:17.820 New reporting from Cook Political Report this morning shows BP Kamala Harris has erased

00:00:21.900 former President Trump's lead in virtually all of the battleground states.

00:00:27.340 There have been some dramatic swings. Gee, I wonder how that happened.

00:00:31.120 How could it have been that she has duped the electorate into thinking she is better than Trump on the economy?

00:00:38.360 According to the latest Financial Times poll, my God.

00:00:41.460 Could it be the media complicity in completely remaking her image into something that is not real?

00:00:50.060 That plus Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota, her pick for BP, responding for the first time yesterday

00:00:55.700 to accusations of stolen valor without, of course, actually addressing any of the claims

00:01:00.640 of stolen valor against him. But he did let us know that he's damn proud of his service to our country.

00:01:05.720 Damn proud. Joining me now to discuss it all and much more, Camille Foster, partner at Freethink,

00:01:11.760 journalist Michael Moynihan and Matt Welsh, editor-at-large for Reason Collectively.

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00:02:22.360 Hey, Megan. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us.

00:02:24.160 So, little known truth. If you're in trouble politically, or otherwise, I guess,

00:02:28.440 you come out to respond and just keep saying, damn. And that helps erase the controversy.

00:02:33.960 Damn. Damn. God, no. Didn't happen. Damn it. Here's Tim Walz and an example of said use of the D word.

00:02:44.660 These guys are even attacking me for my record of service. And I just want to say,

00:02:50.400 I'm proud to serve my country, and I always will be.

00:02:54.940 I signed up for the Army National Guard two days after my 17th birthday.

00:02:58.840 I served for the next 24 years for the same reason all my brothers and sisters in uniform do.

00:03:05.500 We love this country. Then in 2005, I felt the call of duty again, this time being service to my

00:03:12.400 country in the halls of Congress. My students inspired me to run for that office, and I was

00:03:17.540 proud to make it to Washington. I was a member of the Veterans Affairs Committee and a champion of our

00:03:23.080 men and women in uniform. I'm going to say it again as clearly as I can. I am damn proud of my

00:03:28.000 service to this country, and I firmly believe you should never denigrate another person's service

00:03:33.180 record. To anyone brave enough to put on that uniform for our great country, including my opponent,

00:03:39.020 I just have a few simple words. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

00:03:47.840 Damn. Does that? And by the way, just apropos of nothing, it's very wrong to question anybody's

00:03:55.200 service at all, even if there are a whole sorts of reasons. Like Beau Bergdahl doesn't matter.

00:03:58.880 Beau Bergdahl. You're the problem. You're the problem, guys.

00:04:02.880 It's very bad to question anyone's service, especially mine. Please don't do that.

00:04:07.420 You're a bad person.

00:04:09.660 I do have to say I really enjoyed his response to this litany of charges because all the charges said,

00:04:17.800 Tim is not proud. And he said, no, I am proud. No, no, you're not proud. It's like literally,

00:04:22.840 that's not the question. There are lots of questions about your service, some of which I

00:04:27.280 think are overblown, some of which I think that you really have to respond to. But to say, damn,

00:04:32.120 I'm proud. It's like, yeah, this is not a pride parade. Nobody said that you weren't proud. People

00:04:38.040 said you're a bit dodgy about how you've actually handled this. And, you know, I mean, the thing I

00:04:42.760 think that sticks the most is the number of people from his unit who have come out and said, well, you know,

00:04:47.460 he bailed before the deployment to Iraq. I think that's something that you should respond to,

00:04:52.760 particularly because there's people in your unit who it's not just political operative. It's not

00:04:56.840 just oppo research who've said that this is, you know, wasn't the best thing in the world. So

00:05:01.620 respond to it.

00:05:02.980 And also that's, that's the only thing that actually attacks his service or questions his

00:05:06.880 service. Everything else is attack might be even the wrong word. It's just saying the way that

00:05:12.600 he characterized his service, you know, either directly or kind of as he makes comments about

00:05:19.000 using weapons in war sounded hyperbolic or exaggerated. And so it's depictions of your

00:05:26.580 service, not your actual service. So this, you know, and this happens every single time that anyone

00:05:32.180 gets questioned. Also, George W. Bush back when Dan Rather was, was hound dogging him. And it happens

00:05:39.740 all the time. They always retreat to like, how dare you question my service. So I understand it

00:05:44.560 as a purely defensive mechanism, but that's not even like more than about 10 or 15% of the actual

00:05:50.380 criticism, which is about his depictions, like clean that up. And they have cleaned some of that

00:05:55.540 up kind of on the sly, you know, kind of edited things post facto. And I doubt because their model

00:06:02.800 is to not actually engage with questions from journalists or other potential critics. So I doubt that

00:06:09.420 they'll address that correctly. But if you actually wanted to address it, he would address forthrightly

00:06:13.500 the way that he's depicted his service in the past and how it sometimes felt a bit exaggerated.

00:06:19.560 I just want to add one thing to that. One thing to that, because I do think, okay, fine. We,

00:06:24.480 maybe we can get away with saying I served in war with these guns was a misspeak, but there's been a

00:06:30.080 pattern. I'm, we would discuss this. There's been a pattern of him saying I served in operation

00:06:35.080 enduring freedom, but that was the Afghanistan war when he didn't. So if I'd give him one and

00:06:40.340 we're all human, but there's a pattern. But the second point I want to make is overstating your

00:06:44.740 rank is a hard note. He's been overstating his rank. I mean, people can understand this. If I

00:06:50.020 came to you and said, I was a Colonel and I was only a private, everybody would get that. That would

00:06:54.360 be absolutely egregious. You're not allowed to do that. You didn't earn it. Other guys did. They put in

00:06:58.420 the time you didn't. And that's what he's doing when he says he's a retired command Sergeant major,

00:07:02.140 which is an E nine. And he only ever made it to E eight. They gave him that title provisionally.

00:07:06.460 He served in it temporarily because he had signed a long-term renewal with the national guard. And

00:07:11.640 they thought he'd, he'd earn it, but he didn't. He quit early. He never did the training that would

00:07:16.500 require him to actually earn that rank. And he knows that, but for all the years from 2005 forward,

00:07:24.720 he's been calling himself a retired command Sergeant major, which he isn't. And he knows that.

00:07:30.820 And the paperwork to prove the demotion from that temporary higher title is all over the

00:07:37.260 internet. He can't deny it. He doesn't deny it. He's just been lying about it. And now that he's

00:07:42.320 caught, it's really wrong to question somebody's service. Camille.

00:07:45.760 I mean, the details of this controversy are sufficiently nebulous that it kind of helps

00:07:50.440 walls a little bit because it takes a little bit to understand all of those moving parts. But,

00:07:56.320 but I do think that the way he's handling this controversy is an excellent illustration

00:08:01.020 of exactly the advantage that the Harris campaign is able to gain by completely avoiding the press.

00:08:07.520 I mean, it is a very different thing. And I've heard people like Michael Steele on MSNBC suggested,

00:08:12.120 look, she doesn't need to talk to the press. She's having a conversation with the American people

00:08:15.820 going from city to city, giving the same canned stump street, stump speech, or going up on stage

00:08:23.180 and effectively waving your hands around saying, I didn't do anything wrong. I'm so proud of my

00:08:29.040 service while not addressing any of the material questions about your military record, or really

00:08:33.900 your pattern of, if I'm going to be generous misstatements, but misstatements that always run in

00:08:39.380 the direction of overstating what you seem to do while you were in service. It's completely legitimate

00:08:46.020 to ask you questions about that. What I think is far less legitimate is this obvious self-serving

00:08:52.700 proclivity on the part of the Harris campaign to just avoid the media so that they can get away with

00:08:58.360 doing stuff like this. Yeah, they're doing this. They're taking this approach because they know

00:09:03.560 they can get away with it. They know the press is not going to say, we demand answers on whether

00:09:08.260 this is a case of stolen valor and get in his face everywhere to the point where he would have to

00:09:13.800 give an interview over it, right? Like get in his face. Like they did it, JD Vance over the cat

00:09:18.520 comments. It was all over the media. They were sticking mics into his face, demanding that he

00:09:24.100 comment on it. So he did give several interviews here first and then elsewhere and answer the questions

00:09:30.680 about it. This guy, nothing. And now today you've got this extraordinary piece. I don't know if you

00:09:35.360 guys saw this. It was posted at the Federalist by someone who calls himself cynical Publius.

00:09:42.900 And this is a pseudonym, obviously, of a retired U.S. Army officer who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan

00:09:49.640 with the 82nd Airborne Division. And the Federalist notes that they do verify the identities of those

00:09:56.140 who publish with them anonymously. So they know this is a real person and this is actually a vet.

00:10:00.420 But this person chooses, for reasons we don't know, not to publish under his own name. God only

00:10:05.300 knows with military guys, you know, what their backgrounds are. One never knows. And whether

00:10:09.860 they have safety reasons for not saying their actual names. Here's what he says. The ignominy

00:10:16.920 of master. Is it ignominy? Ignominy? Ignominy. Yeah, who knows? It's a tough one. Of Master Sergeant

00:10:25.160 Timothy Waltz. Like, shame. The shame. Let's go with shame. He writes that his ex-account has seen

00:10:31.380 the most traffic it's ever seen, as he's discussed this issue on it at length. He writes, he knows

00:10:38.000 firsthand that the veteran community is fired up over this issue. But he senses from the non-vet

00:10:43.400 community that many do not know what to think, given the competing arguments from both sides of the

00:10:47.400 political aisle. It's exactly what the mainstream press wants. They do this on every issue. That's how we

00:10:52.680 began our show on Monday. Tim Waltz isn't tampon, Tim. He didn't mandate. Yes, he did.

00:10:58.200 Iman Khalif did not text XY. Yes, he did. Like, all these things, they just try to, like, no,

00:11:02.840 it's not true. It's not true. To where people just leave, like, I guess, I don't know. Whatever.

00:11:05.900 Moving on. He says, a command sergeant major is the senior non-commissioned officer in the army

00:11:12.740 battalion. He is the battalion commander's most trusted advisor. He is the standard setter for every

00:11:18.460 other non-commissioned and junior enlisted soldier in the battalion. All eyes are on him. He's as

00:11:23.400 close to a God on earth as a soldier could ever be. More importantly, taking on the duties of a CSM

00:11:29.280 is a sacred trust. The 500 plus soldiers in your battalion are trusting you to train them and hold

00:11:34.800 them to a standard where they can fight, they can win, they can survive in combat. Those soldiers put

00:11:41.400 their faith, trust, and lives in your hands. I'll say it again. This is a sacred trust. Someone asked me

00:11:47.240 in good faith whether or not Walls simply left one kind of service for a higher level of service

00:11:51.220 in Congress. I thought long and hard about an appropriate analogy as an answer to that question

00:11:55.180 and finally came up with one. What Walls did is the moral equivalent of a mother dropping off her

00:12:00.280 five preteen children at an orphanage in the dead of night so she can run for Congress. Yes, it's that

00:12:06.020 bad. Walls' problem was more than just abandoning his troops. It also reflects some sort of personal

00:12:13.260 deficit in his character and makeup. For almost every professional soldier I have ever known,

00:12:18.180 the idea of not going to war with his or her unit is a hateful thing. True military leaders are like

00:12:25.640 that. The most dishonorable thing imaginable is to not go to war with your comrades. But not Tim

00:12:32.420 Walls. He was a battalion command sergeant major, the most senior and important NCO in a battalion,

00:12:39.040 and he bailed, ran and hid rather than deploy with his soldiers to Iraq and do his duty.

00:12:46.960 And then he finally says, I know right now I can hear my Democrat pals shouting,

00:12:52.040 what about cadet bone spurs? Hmm. To which I easily say Trump did not serve neither to Clinton

00:12:59.020 nor Obama nor Biden nor Harris, but cutting and running in the face of the enemy and abandoning

00:13:04.240 the troops he were sworn to lead as their senior non-commissioned officer is a thousand times worse

00:13:09.460 than never serving at all. What do you guys make of that? That sounds inflated a thousand times worse

00:13:17.000 than never serving at all. Sounds inflated to me. It just honestly does. I don't begrudge the opinion

00:13:22.520 at all and the emotion of the anonymous writer. I do begrudge the continued use, especially in the

00:13:30.120 conservative side of the aisle of Latin pseudonyms for things. Can we just be like Jackson Pollock

00:13:36.580 or something? I don't know. Something different, an American sounding pseudonym, please next time.

00:13:41.980 But a thousand times worse. My problem with this line of thinking, and again, that's the strong

00:13:48.280 opinion of someone, and I take it seriously, is that I feel like every single time that somebody who has

00:13:55.320 a military record runs for a president or vice president, it doesn't matter if it's Republican or

00:13:59.240 a Democrat, there is a heightened scrutiny of the military service in a pretty partisan way.

00:14:08.060 Every time. I've seen in response to this, you know, proper scrutiny of Tim Walz's record,

00:14:14.320 people say, well, you know, Tom Cotton has been overstating what he did. And J.D. Vance, you know,

00:14:19.340 wasn't really in the theater in Iraq, which I think is even more of a bogus attack. I think J.D.

00:14:24.980 Vance served honorably. My default, especially as someone who's on the outside, is to thank people

00:14:30.440 for their service and to want there to be not like extra scrutiny on people who served in the

00:14:38.220 military, but extra appreciation of people who served in the military. I'm not saying like we need

00:14:43.900 to give a flower to Tim Walz. He was a liar. Yeah, I recognize that. And I'm just saying that it happens

00:14:51.760 to everyone. This was my response to George W. Bush 20 years ago about deferments, which sounded

00:14:56.180 plausible. At the same time, you know what? He did serve and I did not. And I it makes me

00:15:02.380 uncomfortable. I think the scrutiny is is absolutely valid. This discussion is valid. The thousand times

00:15:08.340 worse to me. I can't sign off on that as somebody who did not serve. I feel like that.

00:15:14.140 No, that's why you're not allowed to say that. That's why my reaction to you is, you know, I asked

00:15:19.160 you for your reaction, but I now reject it because how do you criticize this guy? This guy, this guy

00:15:23.920 fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, retired U.S. Army officer, 82nd Airborne, so we know it's real.

00:15:30.140 I criticize his use of pseudonyms. That's it, Megan. I made that myself clear. I don't criticize him at all.

00:15:34.220 Well, I'm just saying I disagree. But I'm not. I can't endorse his conclusion.

00:15:39.000 You weren't one of these enlisted guys who was depending on your command sergeant major to see

00:15:42.800 you through to battle. He's the guy who taught you to fight, shoot a gun, defend yourself,

00:15:47.440 make sure you live. And when it's time to actually go put those things on the line,

00:15:50.860 he peaces out because he wants an office on Capitol Hill. F off. That's how a lot of these

00:15:55.040 guys feel. We've spoken to them ourselves. And this guy's giving voice to the feeling of abandonment

00:16:00.280 that they didn't have to quote president bone spurs who, which I totally appreciate, Megan.

00:16:06.160 I'm just saying, I'm not going to use stolen valor myself in saying, yes, what he said is I know it

00:16:12.420 to be true. I can't know that to be true. I can't, you know, cause I can't, I can't feel it. That's

00:16:16.840 all. That's the distinction that I'm making here. Is there anyone more reasonable on the panel? I'm

00:16:20.860 moving on. No, there is, is there? No, I can't. No. Look, I am always more reasonable than Matt

00:16:31.980 Welch. I mean, Megan, you just have to learn to come to me and then cut Matt out of certain

00:16:37.360 discussions. This being one of them. No, I think on the political, I think on the political side of

00:16:44.180 this, I mean, that piece makes something clear, which is let me make an analogy for you because

00:16:49.420 the average person actually doesn't understand this. And I'm one of those people like Matt,

00:16:53.120 I haven't served. I don't actually understand what that means. I mean, I, you know, read enough

00:16:57.500 about it and I can say, well, look, I get where they're coming from. I, this seems a terrible,

00:17:01.700 but as a political attack, I mean, I'm really interested to see how JD Vance handles this in

00:17:07.720 a debate as two people who served. And I think that as Matt said, I'm really, you know, to put it

00:17:15.520 very mildly underwhelmed by the attacks on JD Vance for saying, well, he was a media liaisons

00:17:20.900 operative in Iraq within the green zone. It's like, if you've ever talked to a journalist

00:17:26.780 that was ever in Iraq, they tell you that they were in Iraq and they were probably within the

00:17:32.100 green zone. And that's a heroic thing. Like they served in, you know, they were, you know,

00:17:35.940 a war correspondent. It's like, you know, afford him the same kind of, you know, honor in the sense

00:17:42.060 that like, you know, it's not, nobody wants to be in the green zone in Iraq. It's not a nice place

00:17:45.440 to be. But I just think that like, you know, when it comes to the political attacks here and whether

00:17:50.140 or not this will work, I think it depends on how they respond to this. And that is how, cause you

00:17:55.460 know, Tim Waltz, Kamala Harris are not sitting down for the scrutiny of an interview, which I don't

00:18:01.440 even suspect they would get from somebody at NBC or CBS or any of them. If they sit down, they're not

00:18:07.380 going to love treatment over this. They would give them kid club treatment on this, but you know,

00:18:10.840 Matt brings up George W. Bush. It's like, remember all of that and remember Dan Rather and remember

00:18:17.080 the phony documents and what happened as a result of that. Well, Dan Rather had to kind of disappear

00:18:23.080 for a bit. And then they made a Hollywood movie about it called Truth in which Dan Rather, who was

00:18:29.820 actually scammed by fake documents, becomes the hero of a Hollywood movie. So we see it in the long run,

00:18:36.040 you know, depends on who you're questioning and, you know, what party they're in. But I think that,

00:18:40.500 you know, the 20, just as a, as a sort of, you know, a political analyst, what you have to do

00:18:46.860 from the Trump campaign is this stuff is complicated as that piece recognizes trying to explain. And,

00:18:52.960 you know, this is an analogous to this situation because most people who serve don't understand

00:18:57.120 that is that what other people will see was 24 years of services, a lot, you know, and, you know,

00:19:02.240 maybe he left at this particular time, but that's a long time to serve. So I think that's what they have

00:19:07.460 to deal with because, you know, as you point out at the beginning of the show, Megan, the poll numbers

00:19:11.700 for the Harris campaign keep on going in the direction that is very beneficial to the Harris

00:19:15.540 campaign. And I think that's for two reasons. One is not talking to the media and the media not being

00:19:21.120 very exercised about this, not even being upset about it and saying, yeah, we're going to play

00:19:24.940 along with this, you know, and, you know, not answering any questions and the complicity of people

00:19:29.640 in the media who are not pushing hard in this stuff. They will push hard on a fake J.D. Vance

00:19:34.560 couch story and, you know, repeat that, make jokes about it. But this is not a question that

00:19:39.380 they're asking. Yeah, I mean, that was another thing about Tim Wallace's statement where he's

00:19:43.360 like, I, you know, I, and I thank you for your service. And I think J.D. Vance for his service,

00:19:48.180 he said, I'm like, that's great. You can thank J.D. Vance for service. There's no controversy over

00:19:52.100 J.D. Vance's service. He enlisted in the Marine Corps. He went to Iraq when he was called and served

00:19:56.820 his country honorably. And that was that, by the way, I love your newfound respect for J.D. Vance,

00:20:01.060 who you smeared literally days ago from the stump in your very first public appearance as the VP

00:20:06.460 nominee with this couch lie. So forgive me if I'm not really buying your all dignity and respect as

00:20:12.560 owed to J.D. Vance because you haven't been living that in your seven days as the VP nominee. Go ahead,

00:20:17.160 Camille. Yeah, I mean, look, I'll be very succinct. Clearly the sofa fetish stuff, the drag story that

00:20:23.820 Drudge has been trying to get to trend for a couple of days now. Um, like these, just to bring

00:20:29.960 that to everybody, you know, the sofa fetish, that's a lie, right? That's the lie we're talking

00:20:33.960 about. And there's a picture we mentioned this yesterday of J.D. Vance in, in, I don't even

00:20:37.800 know if you call that drag, but he was wearing a woman's wig and a skirt at some sort of a law school

00:20:43.860 party. I don't know if it was a cost. I don't know what it was. They said it was on Halloween. So in

00:20:47.900 any event, go ahead. Yeah. Well, I mean, these days that shouldn't be a deficit for him at any rate

00:20:53.040 anyways, it's not a defect in the candidates, just fine. It's how things are done now. Um,

00:20:57.020 but at any rate, um, I do think that there's something, uh, about like walls that is even

00:21:02.960 more damning than the kind of military service questions. I mean, the military service questions

00:21:06.580 are clearly going to play with a particular demographic. If you've served and you have

00:21:10.720 strong opinions about this, that might be a deal breaker for you. But for me, when I look at walls,

00:21:15.260 the thing that stands out to me is the complete abject failure of leadership during the pandemic

00:21:20.540 and specifically around maintaining law and order, uh, during that, uh, summer of 2020,

00:21:25.920 he was an absolute abysmal failure. That alone ought to be disqualifying. The thing I am most

00:21:31.480 astonished by with respect to this pick is that the Democrats seem to have chosen someone who is the

00:21:37.060 absolute epitome of failure with respect to the thing that they are, that they are most ignominiously

00:21:43.120 remembered for with respect to, to the last like 10 years of democratic, um, governance and leadership

00:21:50.540 nationally. Um, I can't think of a single thing that is more damning, uh, for Democrats than the

00:21:58.320 fact that they, quite frankly, in my opinion, were very clearly on the wrong side of those issues,

00:22:03.640 setting up bail funds for the people who were protesting, but that necessarily were going to help

00:22:10.240 people who were doing all manner of awfulness in the streets, terrorizing Americans, um, at a time

00:22:16.600 when they were already very afraid of this global pandemic. Um, I think that alone is disqualifying

00:22:22.320 where, where walls is concerned. I think the biggest reason you're seeing Kamala's numbers go up,

00:22:27.460 notwithstanding this scandal is because he's not at the top of the ticket. I think if he were at the top

00:22:32.100 of the ticket, this would be affecting the numbers because even though we're totally divided as a

00:22:36.640 country politically, military families matter and they run the spectrum on their politics.

00:22:44.440 Um, there are many Democrat military families who would recoil if presented with these facts and

00:22:51.420 maybe they have been, maybe they haven't depending on which news outlet they watch, but he's not the

00:22:57.220 guy. He's not really running to be the commander in chief. She is, and it's his scandal, not hers yet.

00:23:03.120 You know, I mean, we'll see like if this grows and grows and grows, it's going to become her scandal

00:23:07.720 that was standing. We've got three months to go where you're going to see ads like this one.

00:23:12.280 This was not put together by team Trump. It was put together by a guy named Western lensman who does

00:23:17.580 the GOP ads these like of his own, as far as I can tell on Twitter on X. And they're always very good.

00:23:24.500 I don't know why somebody doesn't hire him from team Trump because this guy's ads are always amazing.

00:23:29.160 Here's his latest on the stolen valor claims.

00:23:31.720 Tim Walsh wants to be a heartbeat away from commander in chief, but Tim Walsh has lied about

00:23:37.840 his military record for years. He's used the rank that he never achieved in order to advance his

00:23:43.640 political career. Walsh lied repeatedly about his rank. Retired command sergeant major. Retired command

00:23:49.260 sergeant major. Command sergeant major. Retired command sergeant major. Walsh lied about being in

00:23:54.300 combat. Can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war, that I carried in war.

00:23:58.400 Walsh dodged deployment by retiring when he knew his National Guard unit was going to Iraq.

00:24:03.080 Everybody knew they were going to train and go to Iraq. The warning order basically stated it,

00:24:07.740 and too much later after he knew it, that's when he retired.

00:24:11.060 Walsh disparaged Minnesota National Guard soldiers.

00:24:13.980 The mayor said, I request a National Guard. We're going to have massively trained troops. No,

00:24:17.580 you're going to have 19-year-olds who are cooks.

00:24:19.320 That same Minnesota National Guard that he disparaged, unlike Walsh, served heroically in Iraq and

00:24:25.160 Afghanistan. Tim Walsh is not fit to be anywhere near the office of commander-in-chief. Tim Walsh is

00:24:31.240 guilty of stolen valor. He abandoned us. You know, I mean, what the hell kind of leader does that?

00:24:37.660 Hmm. I mean, pretty effective, Moynihan.

00:24:40.600 It's a good ad, particularly because, you know, I pay very, very close attention to this stuff.

00:24:47.820 And until I saw that, and I had seen that ad a few days ago, I think, on Twitter,

00:24:51.660 and that last bit about the National Guard is, I think, really, really bad. I mean,

00:24:58.520 that is amazingly insulting. It's not only the National Guard, it's the National Guard of your

00:25:02.940 own damn state. And you're saying they're 19-year-old cooks who don't know what the hell

00:25:06.100 they're doing. It's like, well, you should have called them in during the rioting because the

00:25:09.460 19-year-old cooks would have done a lot better than the people that you deployed because you've

00:25:13.140 told the police to stand down and the police station was overrun and told people to abandon

00:25:18.520 the police station, et cetera. Yeah, I think that's an effective ad. And look, I mean, I'm always

00:25:23.600 mystified by the lack of smart and good political ads. I mean, when Joe Biden was running, I remember

00:25:31.080 saying on the Fifth Call, and this was like a year and a half ago, saying that if you wanted to have

00:25:36.060 an effective ad, somebody should just take it upon themselves to put together all the times

00:25:40.860 that Joe Biden didn't know where the hell he was and didn't know what the hell he was saying and was

00:25:45.700 just getting alternative. And that's, of course, what ends up dislodging him from the ticket is the

00:25:52.080 debate. But yeah, I mean, those kind of, an ad like that, I think, is extremely effective because it

00:25:58.180 just kind of strings it all together and makes, I mean, particularly the rank stuff. And I would say

00:26:02.480 the one bit, the National Guard stuff was new to me, but stringing the rank stuff together is like,

00:26:08.080 well, you know that that's not true. I mean, I can, I can accept that he misspoke and weapons of war

00:26:13.520 in war, et cetera. That is, you know, five times in a row, six times in a row saying that, you know,

00:26:20.560 this is your, your rank when it's not your rank. I mean, come on.

00:26:24.400 I think to Camille's book, he endorsed a book saying he served in Afghanistan and like stood

00:26:29.960 up there and promoted it. Didn't, didn't say I didn't serve. Nancy Pelosi introduced him like

00:26:34.780 same, didn't correct. You know, these military guys, you guys, they're constantly, if you overstate

00:26:38.980 what they did, they will interrupt you and say, no, actually in support of Afghanistan, I never went to

00:26:43.960 Afghanistan. That's what they'll do.

00:26:45.160 Yeah. One quick thing for their brothers in arms. And one quick thing to interrupt Matt is that our

00:26:51.160 friend, former Congressman Peter Meyer, who himself served in Iraq said, you know, look, I don't, I

00:26:59.300 don't, I think this is maybe a bit overstated this, these attacks on Tim Walz. And he tweeted his stuff

00:27:03.760 as he was looking into it and just look at Peter's tweets. They get progressively more concerned and

00:27:08.280 saying, well, okay, now there's this other example. This is actually looking kind of bad. And you see

00:27:12.900 somebody who actually served in the military and served honorably, honorably, and is quite proud

00:27:17.200 of his service, seeing, saying, well, actually, you know, I thought that perhaps that this was just

00:27:22.860 a few things taken out of context. And he said, you know, you don't always correct somebody when

00:27:26.360 they're introducing you and they're giving the wrong rank. And then as Peter was actually looking

00:27:30.620 at this stuff in kind of live tweeting it, it's pretty interesting to see his, his opinion of it

00:27:34.760 change. The eyes open. Go ahead, Matt.

00:27:37.080 I just want to reiterate what Camille was saying. I do think that where Walz will be most vulnerable

00:27:43.780 is not the military stuff, but rather his glaring 2020 record, because that will remind people to

00:27:51.880 the extent of which this is going to be discussed, and it will be, it will remind people of the very

00:27:56.400 worst things that they remember in their own states, in their own lives about 2020, which was

00:28:03.840 incredible, uh, authoritarianism in many states, particularly democratic run states mean dystopian

00:28:10.800 in walls, his case of having a tip line to rat out your neighbors for being insufficiently locked

00:28:15.260 down. Holy cow. Um, it is, uh, like absolutely ineffectively dealing with and sending out crazy

00:28:22.640 messages about, uh, the violence in the streets that happened after George Floyd. Um, and he, that's

00:28:28.480 literally his state. Um, so people can remember that and the double standards that come with it.

00:28:33.080 And then also along with the COVID stuff comes this really kind of hysterical, uh, anti-free

00:28:39.220 speech element of using the patina. That's probably not how you pronounce that of science.

00:28:44.980 That one we know.

00:28:46.200 Thank you. I just mispronunciations today.

00:28:49.560 I'm giving Camille a chance to shine, uh, but, uh, of saying, Oh, you know, the science says that

00:28:57.260 you're wrong and you need to have your speech suppressed. Everyone remembers those things. We had a

00:29:02.300 guy, uh, call in on our, uh, zoom call monthly zoom call with our listeners from Minnesota. He could

00:29:08.340 barely get through the sentence. So still angry. He was human. Yes. How walls in his words destroyed

00:29:15.720 his family or COVID authoritarism shut down this business, screwed up his kids. Um, it's bad. And so,

00:29:22.180 I mean, 2020 is this kind of PTSD thing in the American psyche and Democrats still haven't learned

00:29:28.220 the lesson about this at all. They haven't learned the lesson of why Glenn Youngkin is the governor,

00:29:33.460 uh, of Virginia, which used to be a blue state. Um, it was because of their horrid, horrid COVID

00:29:39.980 governance. Walls is a poster child, uh, for that along with Gretchen Whitmer and Gavin Newsom.

00:29:44.880 And the fact that Kamala Harris felt like, well, I'm going to do a sop to the left rather than a

00:29:51.920 sop to the majority of Americans who remember this and remember it really badly and don't require much

00:29:57.480 to get angry all over again. Here, your, your guy on the fifth column was not the only one more and

00:30:04.480 more Minnesotans are coming out to say this guy destroyed my life during the COVID lockdowns with

00:30:09.040 his overreaction, his panicked overreaction. And I do actually think this is all part of a theme,

00:30:13.240 to be honest with you. It's like when the going got tough, he ran, he cut and ran on his army

00:30:18.840 national guard, uh, team. When the going got tough in Minneapolis, he froze. He didn't send in the

00:30:25.280 national guard. Why? Because he thought there are a bunch of loser cooks who couldn't get the job

00:30:29.840 done. Same, same units, you know, who went to Iraq and Afghanistan as the ad points out, some three of

00:30:34.340 whom trained under him and were killed. Okay. But whatever he froze. Then COVID came. He didn't see

00:30:41.140 through the bullshit. He reacted in a panicked fear stricken way, shutting down businesses at the

00:30:47.560 drop of a hat and then jailing his own citizens when they didn't comply with his orders, including

00:30:53.440 a grandmother who is out there. This clip is making the rounds. She spoke to Fox digital about what he

00:31:00.540 did to her. Listen to this. You know, we're just law abiding, uh, people like most Americans are.

00:31:06.780 I went to court, um, for the criminal charges and for the civil charges. Um, there have been,

00:31:14.280 I've incurred tens of thousands in, um, in court fees, in legal fees. Um, there have been, uh,

00:31:22.320 upwards near a hundred thousand levied, levied against me, um, in fines. This is a story that

00:31:28.640 America needs to hear that Tim walls is not some cuddly, joyful coach life, all the things that

00:31:37.180 the MSMs are, are calling him or some of the things that they're calling him. That is not who this man

00:31:42.560 is. This man would like to take your rights away. He will take your rights away because what happened

00:31:46.920 to me could have happened to anybody. What happened to me will happen to you. If we don't get things

00:31:53.280 turned around in our country while I was in jail, I missed out on Christmas with my family. I missed

00:31:58.500 out on my wedding anniversary. And I also missed out on the birth of one of my grandchildren. So let

00:32:03.520 America know you do not want Tim walls as vice president. You do not want, uh, tyranny at this

00:32:10.220 level. Hmm. Just a little background on her. You guys, uh, share, her name is Lisa Hanson, mother of

00:32:17.040 eight grandmother of 18. She said, beside a speeding ticket, she's always been a law abiding

00:32:23.060 citizen. She's the owner of interchange wine and coffee bistro outside of Minneapolis opened around

00:32:28.760 2012 was eventually forced to close after being harassed by Tim walls, uh, and jailed and subjected

00:32:35.500 to very high legal fees. She initially complied with the shutdown order in March of 2020. Uh, but then

00:32:42.620 she reopened in December of 2020 as so many Americans wrestled with, because this is how they pay their

00:32:48.000 bills. This is how they live. She has a family to support. She reopened and this is all, you know,

00:32:53.820 it's like March. She was closed for the better part of a year, December. She opens back up and within 24

00:33:00.540 to 48 hours, um, she said, quote, the state came down on us with a vengeance event, eventually bringing

00:33:06.620 about a half dozen civil and criminal cases against her. She was convicted in December, 2021 on

00:33:14.360 misdemeanor charges and served 60 days in jail. That's wall's justice. Yeah. I hadn't, I had not

00:33:23.800 seen that before. And that is a very potent, um, indictment, I think. And it's interesting. I can

00:33:28.600 almost already hear like the defenses that some people would offer. Oh, you know, it was a very

00:33:33.500 uncertain time. They didn't know exactly where the threat was coming from or what to do. So a lot

00:33:38.460 of decisions were made very quickly and in the heat of the moment. And, and sometimes those decisions

00:33:42.840 weren't always great. The difficulty for walls is that in his recounting of events or in his

00:33:48.960 addressing his failures, he has been so far as I'm concerned, insufficiently thoughtful and careful.

00:33:56.580 Um, he, he doesn't seem to express nearly enough regret. Someone talked to him about learning loss

00:34:01.120 where children were concerned, um, in, in his state. Um, and the, the response was something

00:34:07.180 like, well, what about all the people who died? Um, he, he denied it. He denied learning loss and

00:34:12.740 he rejected that. He said that he learned zoom. They learned zoom. It was great. And he like governor

00:34:18.020 Cuomo has defended this policy of putting people into nursing homes who were sick. And again,

00:34:23.140 has defended those policies as reasonable. There were critics of those policies at the time.

00:34:28.240 I think there's a great many things for people to be concerned about. And the fact that it was

00:34:32.300 some years ago, doesn't matter. It is certainly still fair game to have conversations about

00:34:37.420 Donald Trump's conduct after January 6th. Democrats will do that. It will be a question during the

00:34:42.700 debates and in much the same way, so far as I'm concerned, there ought to be very serious and

00:34:47.440 sober questions about walls is conduct. Um, and whether or not it is something that, that ought to be

00:34:53.300 taken into serious account when people are going to the ballot box.

00:34:56.060 But here's what you haven't said you have. He's folksy. He's the football coach. He's the teacher.

00:35:03.840 He's he's your dad. He's your daddy, which is working with a certain segment of the population. I'll

00:35:10.620 give you one example. Here is some gal named Pamela on Tik TOK. He represents the dad that a lot of liberal

00:35:19.660 women lost. A lot of us had moderate to conservative, educated, sensible fathers that we lost to Rush

00:35:27.740 Limbaugh, that we lost to Fox News, that we lost to Donald Trump. And the cult of conservatism that has

00:35:34.180 grown and grown and grown has driven a wedge between millennial women and her father. And seeing Tim

00:35:41.260 wall, seeing that he was an educated conservative that saw the party getting weird and changed his mind,

00:35:48.140 shifted his mindset. He's just chill and normal and kind and sensible. He has empathy. He represents all of

00:35:56.060 those qualities that were stripped away from my normal father by this cult. And it makes me sad to see him because

00:36:02.680 I think what kind of person would my dad have been if he didn't fall victim to this nightmare?

00:36:07.100 Don't do this.

00:36:08.040 Oh, my God.

00:36:09.440 Man, I'm on her dad's side.

00:36:11.740 Good Lord. If that was if that was what I was dealing with, a crying person on Tik TOK talking

00:36:17.640 about how Tim Walls is the second coming. Good Lord.

00:36:21.040 He's my daddy.

00:36:21.640 Yeah. And by the way, this is a this is a sort of I mean, I always talk about this of the kind of

00:36:26.960 ideological dementia that kind of, you know, takes over certain people at certain ages. Now, I just want to say

00:36:31.560 yesterday I had a conversation with somebody who not somebody I know, not political and said

00:36:36.160 they've lost their mother to Rachel Maddow. It's bidirectional. I mean, people will get very

00:36:41.800 political late in their life. It's an incredible thing that people think that this is your mom's

00:36:45.360 still alive. You haven't lost her. Yes. Yeah. It's not like the Taliban has kidnapped your father.

00:36:51.840 That's how they're making Rush Limbaugh sound like he was like a jihadi going out there.

00:36:56.960 I don't agree with my father anymore. So I need a new one. It's like, all right,

00:37:01.340 if you're that shallow, then great. A couple of things about this, to the point, by the way,

00:37:06.400 about COVID, listening to Donald Trump talk to Elon Musk, Elon Musk at some point suggested,

00:37:13.940 let's start a blue ribbon commission to just look at government spending and how government

00:37:18.360 wastes money. And, you know, Donald Trump said, I can get behind that. I have been saying for a

00:37:22.760 very long time now that if we want to have some commission, because we have a lot of commissions

00:37:27.180 on Capitol Hill, whether they're about misinformation or about technology and about

00:37:31.280 Facebook, et cetera, there has been none about COVID. And I think that if we had some sort of

00:37:36.520 truth and reconciliation commission, because we actually know a lot now, Camille is also right

00:37:41.320 to say that, yes, we were kind of groping in the dark, but we did know quite a bit at the time.

00:37:45.980 By December, 2020, certainly we knew a hell of a lot more.

00:37:49.380 100%. By, you know, Matt is absolutely right. By December, 2020. And like, if you go back and

00:37:53.840 listen to the fifth column, we were really right on a lot of this stuff. But by that point, you had a

00:37:57.760 number of people that were wrongly being called dissidents. They were just people looking at the

00:38:02.400 numbers. I mean, we saw the numbers recently from Sweden, which was no lockdowns, no mandated

00:38:08.480 masking. Schools stayed open. People said, it's this murderous, genocidal country. And we've just seen,

00:38:14.220 and I think a Lancet study, or it was some medical journal that came out to study and said, look,

00:38:19.060 they did better than almost anyone in Europe. I think they did do better than everybody in Europe.

00:38:23.020 So go back and look at this stuff. So then we can actually have the record here because people don't

00:38:28.480 know. We have not looked backwards on this because, you know, it was a traumatic period. People would

00:38:33.380 like want to forget about it. But at the time of the 2024 election is our first election since,

00:38:39.000 right? There's a lot to reckon with at this point. We know a lot now.

00:38:43.740 And I wish we had somebody or some commission or some, you know, that say, this is actually what

00:38:49.420 happened. These are the numbers. How many kids died?

00:38:52.000 I don't think it would make any difference. I don't think it would make any difference.

00:38:53.500 I don't think it would either.

00:38:54.700 We've had enough truth tellers come out, talk about it, you know, look at Jay Bhattacharya and,

00:38:59.460 you know, his group and Dr. Vinay Prasad, Dr. Marty McCary. There've been a lot of real,

00:39:05.980 I know I'm missing tons, truth tellers who are not even arguably partisans. These are doctors,

00:39:12.020 medical professionals from the most elite institutions that the left should respect

00:39:16.620 and would respect if they were saying something different. They just get tuned out. They get

00:39:21.680 silenced.

00:39:22.240 And they're framed as partisans, Megan. I mean, that's the important thing.

00:39:25.640 And so would this commission be. Anything that they said that was pleasing to the four of us

00:39:28.920 would be rejected as manipulated, not trustable.

00:39:32.000 We got to start somewhere. I don't disagree with your pessimism on it, Megan, but like

00:39:38.400 there, you know, Richard Feynman once led a very good commission after the first space shuttle blew

00:39:42.720 up. It is possible to reach for that muscle memory again and begin some kind of rebuilding

00:39:48.320 process. I wouldn't look to Washington to solve this or any other problem necessarily, but like as a

00:39:54.540 country, we need to actually insist on this. And this is one thing that makes me actually angry

00:40:00.060 about Kamala Harris's pick of Tim Walls. She didn't have to pick him. She didn't have to pick

00:40:05.340 someone that had a really lousy 2020 record. Josh Shapiro doesn't have a really lousy 2020 record.

00:40:11.960 Wasn't really in office in 2020. J.D. Vance doesn't have.

00:40:15.900 But he's so Jewish. That's, the thing is, man, so very Jewish.

00:40:19.540 You said it, I didn't.

00:40:20.680 You're being sarcastic, right, Megan?

00:40:23.200 That was sarcasm. We all know what happened to poor Josh Shapiro.

00:40:26.460 I was listening to commentary, you know, the guys on commentary and they're very pro-Israel

00:40:30.480 and the three hosts are Jewish. And they're like, we all literally know three people named

00:40:34.980 Josh Shapiro. But it's not really, it's about, it's not about Josh Shapiro. It's about his religion.

00:40:42.480 Go ahead.

00:40:42.740 Yeah.

00:40:45.580 Well, I will pick this up and say that to Matt's, to Matt's point, I mean, you do have to start

00:40:50.800 somewhere. And I think that if we had, I mean, you can't hide bodies, right? I mean, you can,

00:40:54.840 we had those extrapolations. Do you remember the extrapolations at the beginning that said,

00:40:58.940 you know, two million people will die, et cetera. I mean, if you talk to people now,

00:41:02.860 how many kids died? How many kids under 10, under 12 died of COVID? I don't think most people know

00:41:10.020 because, I mean, if you have a sort of blue ribbon bipartisan commission, yeah, I absolutely,

00:41:15.660 Megan, share your skepticism of this and they'll find a way. But you can't lie about the fact that

00:41:20.540 kids weren't dying of COVID during the time. It's like, everyone said that this was having,

00:41:25.760 they're transmitting it to teachers. They could. And we have global examples of this not happening.

00:41:30.060 And I wish that people knew that. Do I expect that people would, if there was a commission?

00:41:34.560 No, but I think it would be the step in the right direction because there has been autopsy.

00:41:37.540 It could still be the right thing to do, even if they won't listen. I will say this.

00:41:40.760 Of all the interviews that we've done on this show since we launched in September of 2020. So I mean,

00:41:47.180 right in the mix of all of that. One of the ones that stands out, right? When people say like,

00:41:52.300 which ones stand out? And I always say with a fifth column, obviously it's number one.

00:41:56.600 But then I say, after all the interviews with those guys, there's a short list that really stands out.

00:42:03.500 And this one woman whose name is Lindsey Graham, who goes by Patriot Barbie is one of the ones that

00:42:11.000 really stands out because Patriot Barbie wound up at the Capitol on January 6th. And she came out,

00:42:18.620 we didn't even have video back then. This is just an audio show at the time. And she explained like

00:42:24.500 how she got there, right? Because I think that's one of the very interesting things about J6.

00:42:28.980 What drove the different people there to do the different things that happened that day?

00:42:33.780 And there was a wide array. I mean, I actually know some people who went there are just

00:42:36.840 normal Republicans who were upset and they wanted to express their support of Trump and they didn't

00:42:41.700 go in the Capitol or, you know, and so there's that end. And then there are people who hurt cops,

00:42:45.720 which is a very different end. But then there's such an interesting spectrum in between.

00:42:49.940 And I would say Patriot Barbie is in between. She did not go in the Capitol,

00:42:53.380 but she's like a normal mom living in Oregon in the lead up to that day who got completely

00:43:00.660 effed by the COVID policies. She built from one into a chain of businesses that she owned,

00:43:10.060 a store, storefronts. Like, um, they were salons where you could get your hair done. I think she

00:43:15.020 might've had a couple of gyms in there and she didn't have like 20. I think she had like eight,

00:43:19.080 but she built it by herself and she had just had a baby, right? So it's a new mom.

00:43:25.620 And here's just a little bit of what she explained happened to her.

00:43:29.360 I received a notice from Oregon health authority that if I didn't shut down and cease service,

00:43:35.380 that I would be issued a $50,000 fine or $5,000 a day, plus a class C misdemeanor.

00:43:42.860 Oh, wow. Yeah.

00:43:44.640 They released the full power of the Oregon state government against you.

00:43:47.120 Yeah. And then, and this is the most, most shocking, and this is, you know,

00:43:51.360 kind of what shocked America and it still shocks me. Um, but three days after I opened,

00:43:55.940 uh, Oregon's child protective services showed up at my home. Um, and they interviewed my child,

00:44:03.100 uh, without me in the room, they did a full inspection of my home, um, based on a complete,

00:44:10.600 complete fabrication of a report. To me, it was like,

00:44:15.260 they tried everything to shut me down and intimidate me. And the last thing that they

00:44:19.860 were going to do was come after my family. Wow. Right. So this is why you look back Camille and

00:44:27.420 you think, I don't know if a commission gets it done or what, but you, I agree with Matt's point

00:44:33.460 about why would she pick this guy? Who's like the poster boy for the COVID overreach that actually

00:44:39.540 really hurt a lot of people. Patriot Barbie was in Oregon, but I played you the videotape of the

00:44:44.960 woman who was in Minnesota. And there's so many, there are thousands more, by the way,

00:44:48.920 the mainstream media has zero interest in discussing how somebody like Patriot Barbie

00:44:52.480 chose to go on J six. It's just, you're F and bad, no fly list, no book contracts, no reprieve jail,

00:44:59.820 jail, jail, no, no interest in discerning, you know, between on that scale, what you did,

00:45:05.080 it's just all so unjust. Yeah. I mean, I I'd say very quickly, just that, that the reason why we

00:45:11.140 talk about these kinds of things, this kind of existential extraordinary circumstance is that's

00:45:16.300 precisely the kind of thing that you ought to be thinking about when you're electing someone to

00:45:20.880 office. I think you're, you're voting for them for precisely those moment when the shit is hitting

00:45:26.160 the fan and everything seems out of control and we're on the precipice of something dangerous.

00:45:31.660 Can I trust your judgment in those moments? Are you, are you likely to adhere to principle,

00:45:37.720 even when it's difficult? During that, that early period of the pandemic,

00:45:42.620 if people just wanted the opportunity to fight for their business, I can remember retailers like

00:45:47.800 small retailers close to where I was staying in Shenandoah Valley, Virginia, who had hardened their

00:45:52.540 facilities. They put up plexiglass all on their own. They were doing everything they could to both

00:45:57.640 keep their customers safe and keep their businesses alive. And so many of them failed in trying to do

00:46:04.060 that. But at least in some places you had a shot at trying to do it without having to worry that the

00:46:09.540 local governing authorities would come in and try to destroy your life for simply trying to save your

00:46:14.920 own life, for save your own mechanism, for, for putting food on the table for your family. And again,

00:46:22.320 I just think this is, this is an urgently important matter. And it is the sort of thing like the

00:46:26.880 questions about the election after, um, after the race, uh, in, in 2020, like it's, it would be

00:46:33.680 totally appropriate and reasonable for us to just have sober, not, not at all partisan conversations

00:46:39.860 about what happened then to try and address people's concerns and fears. That would be,

00:46:44.140 do a great deal to bring the country together. Um, which is a sentiment that I certainly hear

00:46:48.680 politicians express all the time without seeing much evidence that they're actually interested in

00:46:52.560 that particular outcome. But here's the problem. So, I mean, as I said, uh, the left won't accept

00:46:57.080 it. You know, they're, they've got skin in the game. They were wrong about virtually everything.

00:47:00.640 And so this would really require them to come to the table, willing to admit that. And they're not.

00:47:05.060 And that dovetails perfectly into our discussion, which is if that's one of the reasons she doesn't

00:47:09.400 care about his COVID overreaches, she was doing the same thing with her boss from the white house.

00:47:14.460 They were in favor of all of those draconian measures and she still would be. I mean,

00:47:20.300 I think if we had like Omicron's on the loose again, Kamala Harris be donning that mask tomorrow.

00:47:25.120 So would Tim Walz. They'd be happy to do this to us again. And the left, I mean, I lived with these

00:47:31.740 people. You guys still do in Manhattan on the upper West side. It was COVID central with their masks,

00:47:39.600 that red vote. Those are the people who are rushing to support her. They don't care about

00:47:49.740 stolen valor. They don't care about COVID overreach. They don't care about not calling in the National

00:47:55.740 Guard on rioters, burning down police precincts. You tell me what do they care about? Why don't

00:48:04.280 they care about all those things? I think that particularly on the COVID stuff, let's start

00:48:10.660 with that one. Because Matt says, you know, rightfully, why would you pick somebody who is

00:48:14.880 the poster boy for government overreach and, you know, kind of lockdown authoritarianism

00:48:20.740 as your VP candidate? I think that the answer to that is pretty boringly simple, is that they don't

00:48:26.180 think it was wrong. They don't think that they are wrong to this day. Megan, if you go to the upper

00:48:31.120 West side, the Upper East side, and those people, many of whom, by the way, are still masked. I can

00:48:35.640 attest to this. You see it quite frequently on the subway. You can see people outside. It's

00:48:40.740 absolutely bonkers to me. But they don't think that there was anything weird about locking down

00:48:46.400 schools, despite the fact all of the evidence suggests that not only was it harmful, but that

00:48:51.320 it was unnecessary. Because what you do when you reframe these things, and I think that's why it's

00:48:56.240 important that people like John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya, both from Stanford, were

00:49:00.940 rechristened as these right-wing lunatics, is that any questions that you had about COVID

00:49:06.420 were, in their mind, some version of plandemic, some version of Bill Gates is putting, you know,

00:49:13.440 microchips in you with the vaccine. There's a small, small number of people that have these views.

00:49:21.000 And these are people that say you can't amplify these horrible voices. You can't platform people.

00:49:25.480 They amplified all of these people to suggest that any opposition to this was some sort of lunacy

00:49:32.960 bordering on conspiracy theory. Was there some of that? Of course. But the majority of it were

00:49:37.520 people like the guests that you had on, people who wanted to keep their businesses open, people

00:49:41.540 wanted to keep their kids in school. It's not complicated, but they make it complicated because

00:49:45.400 they know they were wrong. Who still haven't been heard by them, and they're not interested in

00:49:52.300 hearing from them. That's why we have Tim Walz and Kamala Harris on this ticket.

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00:50:54.020 not woke. Okay, guys. So the polls are not going in the right direction for Team Trump. And I understand

00:51:04.660 that Trump's defenders would like to say they're oversampling Democrats and all that. Look, it's

00:51:11.700 across the board. I mean, he's fallen in left-leaning polls. He's fallen in right-leaning polls. The Cook

00:51:18.920 political report takes the best polls and tries to make projections based on its best data. And

00:51:25.540 they'll do that if it's good for Trump, just like they've been doing for Trump over the past few

00:51:29.380 months, or if it's good for Kamala. And right now, it's good for her. Very good. This is reality. And

00:51:36.520 the Trump team needs to deal with reality if it wants to win. There is zero purpose served in pretending

00:51:43.500 that reality is other than what it is. There's three months to go. So there's time to adjust and

00:51:50.700 make different choices. But I don't understand the people who are like, it's not happening. It's not.

00:51:54.580 Oh, all right. If that's going to be your strategy, good luck. Here's what Cook is showing. It's a swing

00:52:01.860 state project survey from May. Overall, in May, or it's a swing state project survey. In May, it showed

00:52:08.940 the Trump overall led Biden by three points. Today, overall, Trump is behind Harris by one point.

00:52:16.980 All right. So it's been a four point swing in her favor. And listen to these swings state to state.

00:52:22.060 In Arizona, there's been a five point swing in the Democrats favor. Trump was up three. Now Harris is up

00:52:29.180 two, 48, 46. Georgia, they're tied. Trump was up three. So it's a three point swing.

00:52:35.640 Michigan, Michigan. Harris is up three. That's a five point swing because Trump had been up two.

00:52:42.040 Nevada, Trump is up three, but he was up nine. So that's a six point swing in favor of the Democrats,

00:52:51.520 but still Trump up a bit. North Carolina, Harris, North Carolina, Harris up one. Trump was up seven.

00:53:00.600 That's an eight point swing in the Democrats favor. And if you don't believe me, Donald Trump is going

00:53:06.640 to North Carolina and holding a rally either tonight or tomorrow. And they go where they know

00:53:11.740 there's work to be done. I mean, he wouldn't be going there. He's not going to Oklahoma. He's going

00:53:17.920 there because he's seeing what we're seeing. That's good. He's going there. Pennsylvania, Harris up

00:53:23.460 one. Trump had been up three. So it's a four point swing. Wisconsin. Harris is up three. Trump and Biden

00:53:31.680 had been tied. Why? Cook Political Report says Harris's success in consolidating the Democratic

00:53:38.440 base, which had been unenthused about Joe Biden, increased support among independent voters.

00:53:44.320 Uh, 56% say she represents a chance to turn the page on the Trump Biden era. Her favorability rating

00:53:54.180 has gone up considerably. It is improved by 13 points. We all know why, uh, the issues that she

00:54:00.840 still is laboring under. She is seen as too liberal to govern. Well, according to 53%, 49% say she's too

00:54:07.240 unserious a person to govern this country effectively. And the problems for Trump, 59% of the battleground

00:54:15.500 state voters are concerned. He's too focused on personal retribution. 57% think he is too erratic and out of

00:54:21.720 control to govern effectively. Yeah. Predictable for the day. Can we just put that down and the transcript

00:54:35.400 person can just write down long sigh. Exhale. Megan exhales. If he makes, if Trump spends more time,

00:54:42.700 uh, uh, complaining about depictions of the crowd size at Kamala Harris rallies, that's really going

00:54:47.720 to seal the deal for him. That's going to turn out. That's going to, that's going to get the swing state

00:54:51.280 voters. Not just that, but he's still audience. He's claiming that the crowds, the big crowds outside

00:54:56.420 of her airplane and elsewhere are AI generated. And, and it's just, there's just no proof of that. I mean,

00:55:01.200 like it was a conspiracy theory. Somebody started, there were all these other pictures from people

00:55:04.880 who were actually there that showed the huge, like, are they all in on it? Is that like everyone

00:55:09.600 who showed up, got an AI filter that they put up? What? Okay. So stupid. Just focus on the damn

00:55:15.100 border. Sorry. Go ahead, Matt. He's been spinning out pretty like, obviously the last couple of weeks

00:55:20.720 we have talked about previously together about how there's been whole stretches where his campaign

00:55:26.080 has been disciplined and smart, including by keeping him away from cameras and stuff when that was a

00:55:32.700 useful thing to do. And it just hasn't been that the last couple of weeks. And, uh, he's actually

00:55:37.860 reminding people of the things of the reasons why he's so far has never shown he's able to get even

00:55:43.100 47% of the popular vote in this country. Um, when he still, he's still on about stop the steal and,

00:55:49.420 you know, millions of illegal immigrants voting and things that he's been saying for a really long

00:55:53.860 time, but people kind of forget about. Um, but he's playing those greatest hits in addition to ones

00:55:59.360 that actually might have a chance of persuading a swing state voters. There's an element. There's

00:56:04.480 an X factor that I want us to consider a little bit, which is that a Robert Kennedy jr. Is being

00:56:11.320 starting to be disqualified from ballots. It started in New York, which doesn't really matter as an

00:56:15.580 individual state, but the New York case, which is based on him, uh, not being declared a residence

00:56:21.080 of New York could make him vulnerable to be kicked off of States as many as 18. It won't be that many,

00:56:26.860 but, uh, they will challenge because, uh, they'll say that he's a resident of California and that,

00:56:31.480 uh, his vice presidential, she'll pick Nicole Shanahan is a resident of California and that's

00:56:36.020 therefore illegal. And so they'll try to kick him off the ballots. What's interesting is that

00:56:40.360 Democrats have been leading that charge, which made sense back when Joe Biden was the nominee.

00:56:45.940 Cause when Joe Biden was the nominee, uh, Kennedy was pulling more from Democrats than from Trump,

00:56:51.300 but now that Kamala Harris is the nominee. And as you mentioned, Megan,

00:56:54.680 she's getting pretty good bump on Trump and independence. She's pulled a lot of third party

00:56:59.700 voters to come back home, uh, to her side. So now Kennedy in the race, uh, pulls more from Trump

00:57:07.280 than pulls more from Kamala Harris, just at the snapshot that we're in. So by trying to kick him

00:57:12.600 off of the ballot, particularly in swing States, the Democrats might be doing a dumb thing, even as we

00:57:18.340 speak. Oh, Matt, Matt, who are you going to vote for? If he gets bumped off the ballot,

00:57:23.680 it's like your whole plan. Listen, uh, Megan Kelly, I will tell you that, uh, people from New York

00:57:31.040 tend to love to lecture the rest of the country, particularly Georgia, which had to suspend the

00:57:37.000 major league all-star game or major league ball star game left Georgia over their, you know,

00:57:41.500 horrible rules that are subvert democracy. New York is going to be the only state in the country.

00:57:46.980 If this latest ruling is upheld in the upper courts and it might not be, but it would be the only

00:57:52.540 state in the country with just two printed names on the ballot. Do not lecture the rest of the

00:57:57.420 country slash New York state and New York people about democracy. You are horrible at it.

00:58:04.260 Wow. Look at Matt defending RFKJ and his ballot access. Good for you. Principal Dan won't actually

00:58:09.320 get your vote. Yeah. Go ahead. He didn't, he didn't answer the question, Megan. So we can just

00:58:14.940 imagine who he's going to vote for us on the American party or something. Right. Um, few

00:58:21.220 things about this is that, um, you know, I think it was on your show, Megan, when I'm a listener to

00:58:26.400 your show, unlike the two other guys who just kind of show up here. Um, and I think you had,

00:58:30.660 I think it was a clip of Peter Navarro. When you have somebody like Navarro who says rock ribbed,

00:58:36.020 um, a MAGA, I mean, went to jail for Donald Trump to, to not testify on what he was,

00:58:41.460 what he was doing on January 6th, coming on to, I can't remember what news program, but saying,

00:58:47.340 look, what are you doing? It was on Steve Bannon's war room. Who's also in jail. No,

00:58:52.560 it's like, what are you doing? Remain focused here on a couple of issues. I mean, when you see these

00:58:58.040 numbers, they're kind of a predictable bump in some ways, then other ways, you're just completely

00:59:02.600 shocked by them, particularly the poll that shows it even close with Kamala Harris on the economy.

00:59:08.060 I mean, she's up a point or so in some of these. That's an outlier. It was a financial times poll,

00:59:13.260 but is obviously an outlier, but it's amazing that it even got generated.

00:59:17.100 It's an outlier that there shouldn't be an outlier poll on this issue. There's no way,

00:59:21.500 no matter how you frame the question, should she be even within five points, but she is right.

00:59:27.320 And this is a very simple thing. I mean, when Donald Trump was disciplined during that debate,

00:59:32.920 um, it was, you know, amazingly beneficial to him in the short term. It was actually

00:59:37.860 worse for him in the longterm because Joe Biden dropped out and now the democratic nominee is

00:59:42.540 competitive, but that kind of discipline when you don't like you guys, he's going to North Carolina

00:59:46.940 because of those numbers. He's going to have a rally. I think the rally model is pretty played

00:59:51.960 out at this point. You're talking to, you know, committed Trump people. I have been to so many of

00:59:57.320 them. And I'll tell you what happens every time I go, I laugh my ass off because the guy's really

01:00:02.060 funny in his, like, you know, I tell people to go and look up what he said about John Tester recently,

01:00:06.700 which I was like weeping over because it was so funny, but that's not what the party needs right

01:00:11.600 now. What they need is him to be very disciplined on a couple of issues. You saw, I think you or Matt

01:00:16.200 said, uh, economy and immigration. If you stick on immigration, hammer, hammer, hammer, not on crowd

01:00:23.040 sizes. And keep in mind that when Donald Trump won in 2016, when he won, he was disputing the crowd

01:00:29.760 size, uh, during the inauguration. It's this constant obsession with this stuff. It makes him look small

01:00:35.260 and it's something that we don't need from a presidential candidate right now. I think it's also true.

01:00:40.840 And one final comment on this, I've talked to a lot of Republicans that I know who are voting for

01:00:44.840 Trump. And I think that there's a lot of desire amongst them to, to turn the page on the Biden Trump

01:00:51.400 era and they would love to see the back end of it because there's just too many unforced errors.

01:00:56.700 There's not enough. No, no. With, with Trump, they're like, they'll vote for him, but they're

01:01:00.700 just tired of all of this and want a little more discipline in the party. So like, they're not

01:01:05.820 going to vote for her, but I think that there is an overall feeling if that's infecting people that I

01:01:10.160 know who are actually MAGA types and that will vote for him. I mean, I just imagine what it's like

01:01:14.340 for the rest of the country. Yeah. I was like, I just think, look, Trump is who he is. And I've

01:01:21.340 said yesterday, he was, he's too rambly. He's not like hitting the points to where it's like

01:01:26.440 digestible and the people at home know like China, the wall, the way he did in 16. That he was getting

01:01:34.240 away with that when he was across from Joe Biden, it was just like, well, look at the alternative now

01:01:38.720 that the moment requires message discipline. It requires it and not for nothing, but Trump's

01:01:48.520 freedom likely requires it because these lunatics are still determined to put him in jail.

01:01:55.860 I mean, judge Mershon is going to have a hearing on whether the immunity ruling by the Supreme Court

01:02:00.440 saves Trump from actually receiving a penalty or seeing that conviction through in New York.

01:02:05.900 But he, you know, this guy, he might say it doesn't save Trump. And on September 18th,

01:02:11.640 he's supposed to sentence the guy. Jack Smith could still find a way to refile those J6 charges

01:02:18.300 if Trump doesn't win. And I don't trust these Democrats to abandon their charges against Trump

01:02:22.940 if Kamala Harris wins. I think they really want Trump in jail. I don't think it will be enough for

01:02:28.780 them that Trump loses. So anyway, there are all sorts of reasons why Trump really needs to get serious

01:02:34.420 about listening to the very smart advisors around him when it comes to message discipline. Go ahead,

01:02:39.380 Camille.

01:02:40.160 Yeah, just the swings and attitude in this campaign have just been completely insane. I mean,

01:02:45.080 we often talk about the most important election of our lifetimes. This is clearly the most frenetic

01:02:49.060 election of my own lifetime. I can't remember a situation where there seem to be just these wild

01:02:55.160 swings with respect to just the vibe. But with respect to these specific issues around Trump,

01:03:04.160 Trump and messaging, he's running in many respects the same campaign he has always run. He's been a

01:03:10.800 little more restrained at different moments. It was much easier to get away with all of this stuff

01:03:15.580 with Biden, but they're very much kind of the dog who caught the car. They ran a pretty effective

01:03:21.220 campaign. Biden implodes. And they don't have a strategy for dealing with Kamala beyond hoping that

01:03:27.320 she'll actually talk to the press and kind of make a clown of herself and cover up or paper over some of

01:03:33.300 Donald Trump's defects as a candidate. And they are material. It's not like if the two of them were

01:03:39.860 on stage together, you would get really clear kind of distillation of their particular policy opinions.

01:03:46.220 A lot of this is just about how you feel about this person. It's funny. I can remember seeing

01:03:52.080 Greg Gutfeld on The Five, like giving this, not even an impassioned defense of Trump as the guy to

01:04:00.880 choose, but giving his rationalization for it, essentially saying, look, he's an asshole and

01:04:05.820 he's a little unsophisticated and crass and boorish, but he's your asshole. And that's the guy you want in

01:04:11.020 the room. That's to me, that might be the best argument you can make for him. But when he just

01:04:16.660 kind of seems stale and ordinary, even in his boorishness, like that's not a particularly persuasive

01:04:23.160 case. And it's a particularly unpersuasive case against Kamala, who at this point is just kind

01:04:29.460 of being lionized and isn't feeling any sort of material pressure when it comes to kind of the

01:04:34.480 national press and questions about her own qualities with respect to her ability to serve.

01:04:40.620 I'm really getting to the point where I feel like we have to stop complaining about the fact that she

01:04:44.260 won't do any interviews. And like, it's outrageous. It's deeply wrong. But we have to stop complaining

01:04:50.380 about it because Trump is going to lose this election if the plan is just to bitch and whine

01:04:55.180 about her inaccessibility and the biased media. That is not a winning plan. He's going to have to

01:05:01.900 forge on without that. And let's be honest, at this point with the stakes this high, she's probably going

01:05:09.240 to do pretty well when finally is sitting down for an interview, whether it's with 60 or Stephanopoulos

01:05:15.640 or MSNBC. She will have a general idea of where they're going, her flip flops, the tips thing.

01:05:21.940 She stole Waltz's military. Like she's going to generally know and she will prepare. If you look

01:05:26.560 back at her Pence debate, she prepared. She had her canned answers. They were fine. They weren't

01:05:30.900 stellar, but they were fine. To put all the eggs in the basket of she will implode if she just starts

01:05:36.460 talking seems foolhardy to me. He has to control the messaging. He has to dominate the news cycle.

01:05:43.700 He's got to keep. And if he wants to do all the earned media coverage, then he's got to come up

01:05:48.620 with some new sticks because they're they're no longer shockable. They're no longer putting him

01:05:53.920 on the evening news every night when he says the shocking things. They're kind of yawning about

01:05:57.220 the things now. He's got to find a different way to be in the news every day. By the way,

01:06:02.080 we did pull the tester comments, which were funny. Here they are. Name is John Tester and

01:06:09.300 I don't speak badly about somebody's physical disability. No, no. But he's got the biggest

01:06:19.320 stomach I have ever seen. I swear. I swear. That's the biggest stomach. I have never seen a stomach

01:06:28.160 like that because he doesn't look that heavy. You're not allowed to use the word fat. So if you use the

01:06:35.180 word fat, you can say obese, you can say anything, but you can't say fat. That's the end of your

01:06:40.280 political career. I said it the other night, somebody in the audience said, Chris Christie is a fat

01:06:49.680 pig. And I said, sir, Chris, Chris is not a fat pig. You should not. And we argued about it for three

01:06:55.860 or four minutes. So that was. No, he's not a fat pig. It's the three or four minutes. Three or four

01:07:03.600 minutes. I miss this. And by the way, it only goes to further my theory that anytime Trump says the

01:07:12.960 word, sir, what's going to follow is a lie. Because I was like, he said to me, sir. And it's just some

01:07:18.200 total made up thing. But that was very funny. I have to admit, I think I think NPR.

01:07:22.440 This is another funny moment. This is another funny moment, which the press is totally

01:07:26.860 misunderstanding. It was from his exchange with Elon the other night. And he's making a remark

01:07:32.240 about that ridiculous Time magazine cover showing Kamala Harris like, oh, God. Yeah.

01:07:38.700 Like Joan of Arc up there. I mean, it was ridiculous. The depiction of her. And here's what Trump said.

01:07:44.540 And then I'll play you the media reaction. Listen. But he's getting a free ride. I saw a picture of her

01:07:49.520 on Time magazine today. She looks like the most beautiful actress ever to live. It was a drawing.

01:07:56.700 And actually, she looked very much like a great first lady, Melania. She didn't look like Kamala.

01:08:05.640 That's right. But of course, she's a beautiful woman. So we'll leave it at that. Right.

01:08:10.160 Since when does he sound like Buddy Hackett?

01:08:13.020 Yeah. There was a problem with the audio. Then they released the audio because he was saying

01:08:17.880 something and it was better. But listen. OK, my take on that exchange, he's obviously suggesting

01:08:24.960 Kamala Harris is not attractive, but was made to look attractive by this sketch artist who put her

01:08:31.800 on the cover of Tom. Like he's like they made her look like Melania for the love of God. And he's like,

01:08:36.800 right. That's what he's saying. And then listen to how the media reacts. I think this is Julie

01:08:42.540 Roginski on CNN. This is the same kind of misogy we talked about before. Right. She's dumb.

01:08:50.060 She's terrible. But she's hot. In other words, that we say. So I guess she's going to get a free

01:08:55.240 ride because she's hot. Right. Because women who are hot in his words and his terms get a free ride.

01:09:00.620 I mean, this is a woman who's a former prosecutor. She's a former attorney general. She's a former

01:09:04.320 senator. She's a sitting vice president. She's accomplished. You may not agree with her. You

01:09:08.520 may not think that her policies are the right policies, but she's accomplished. And yet he's

01:09:13.240 reducing her down to her looks and basically saying that she's dumb. She's not so smart.

01:09:19.320 But because she's a good looking woman, kind of like my wife, Melania,

01:09:22.540 she's going to get a free ride from the media. Oh, my God. I like I like Julie. Julie's usually

01:09:28.480 pretty smart. And she, wow, whiffed badly on that one. That's real. Right. Talk about that's

01:09:36.200 how little they understand this guy. In no universe. Does Donald Trump think Kamala Harris

01:09:41.160 is hot? It's going to get a pass. No, he's clearly saying that this is Time Magazine's kind

01:09:47.700 of visual hagiography. And they made her look like Melania, who's really hot. And that's not

01:09:53.380 what she looks like. I mean, Donald Trump's using the phrase visual hagiography. He said that. I

01:10:00.140 said, sir, that's not what she looks like. She's not Melania. Bless her heart. Yeah, that's an insane

01:10:10.440 reaction. Yeah, yeah, I know. But this is, you know, of course, again, what Trump is up against.

01:10:15.420 And I don't know the solution other than message discipline on the subject of the media. I got a

01:10:21.060 couple of other for you guys. You've probably seen the viral Caitlin Collins clip on Stephen

01:10:26.220 Colbert. She is on CNN. She goes over, you know, to get the lovely treatment from Stephen Colbert on

01:10:34.980 how amazing she is and how amazing CNN is. And the left wing New York City audience brought some truth

01:10:44.300 to the matter. Watch. Trump has kind of been thrown on his heels by this, and he's not really sure how to

01:10:50.240 go after Vice President Harris. He knew his attack lines on President Biden. He really has struggled

01:10:56.480 with how to how to go after someone who's 20 years younger than him, who is a different gender,

01:11:01.000 a different race. It's kind of been this moment where he has not been able to coalesce around a

01:11:07.040 single attack line. I know you guys are objective over there that you just report the news as it is.

01:11:12.940 I know, I know. CNN makes it. I know that's supposed to be a laugh line. I wasn't supposed to, but I guess it is.

01:11:20.180 Unbelievable. How humiliating and good for that audience. They they knew that was a farce.

01:11:32.140 What is the number of trust in the mainstream media? Something 17 percent, some vanishingly small

01:11:38.600 number. It's I think it might be lower. So I think that the audience, even in New York City, knows that

01:11:44.280 that's ridiculous. I mean, it is Stephen Colbert is a great example of this. Right. I mean, a comedian,

01:11:50.000 if you go back and look at the late night shows of the Leno, Conan O'Brien, Letterman era, you would

01:11:57.860 have occasional political jokes. They never turned into cheerleading for one political candidate or one

01:12:03.860 one side, which is what it's made. It's so boring. I mean, you look at the ratings they have, which are

01:12:08.580 low. Stephen Colbert. I mean, everyone remembers the unbelievably embarrassing vaccine dance. Do you

01:12:14.640 remember this? Oh, yeah. With all the shots on stage dancing around. I mean, it's like, what is

01:12:20.840 happening? It's like North Korean television, but less funny. That was great. I've routinely

01:12:26.360 encountered like clips of him on The Daily Show, just old Daily Show segments back from its glory days.

01:12:32.560 And there were so many times where they were lampooning the left and lampooning the right,

01:12:36.780 even with Kamala Harris. But quite frankly, up until somewhat recently, it was not so surprising

01:12:43.560 to see them lampooning her. But that sort of thing in a moment like this seems far less likely to

01:12:50.160 happen. Oh, gosh, never. I mean, look, who who were the faces of CNN over the Trump era? Jeff Zucker was

01:12:59.080 running it. We all know about him. He's ruined CNN. Chris Cuomo. OK, that didn't end well. He's obviously

01:13:06.300 a Democrat partisan masquerading as a journalist, just like Stephanopoulos and Don Lemon. Now,

01:13:11.960 Don Lemon ultimately got forced out because he made one too many stupid, sexist comments. And so

01:13:17.300 they turf the guy. But I'll just give you a little sample of Don Lemon and how he's covering the news

01:13:22.060 these days. The guy who was the face of CNN for all these years. Take a listen. We meandered over to

01:13:26.780 his podcast. We're the one. And we found the following in-depth discussion.

01:13:32.580 I think you're right. Is it because people are like, oh, you know how the kids say the kids call

01:13:36.440 it being sus, right? Oh, well, he sucks or whatever. Do you think it's fair to be questioning J.D. Vance's

01:13:43.480 sexuality or because, you know, they say thou doth protest too much. I'm just one. I'm not saying

01:13:48.380 that he is or he isn't. Some people are like, you know, I have great gaydar. And

01:13:52.500 I don't know. What do you think, Alejandra? What? I think I'm sorry. No worries. I think

01:13:59.740 with some of my friends in the group chat, there were like kind of being like egg vibes,

01:14:06.240 question mark, which like for folks out of the trans community, like egg means like someone

01:14:10.560 who hasn't come out as trans yet, but gives off like a lot of vibes like they're trans.

01:14:14.180 Listen, one of my friends who is trans is in the chats, in these here chats is Flame Monroe.

01:14:20.540 Plane, let me know what you think in the chat. That's what I want to know. I want to know what

01:14:24.520 you think about all of this. Do you think it's just fun? What do you think? Because I hear people,

01:14:29.360 you know, I see people are putting up the egg emoji or what have you.

01:14:33.980 Yeah. Remember when he thought the plane, like it maybe disappeared into the Bermuda Triangle

01:14:41.460 or UFO. Is it, is it, is that crazy? Is it a UFO? Yeah. That's giving off the same vibes to be

01:14:47.620 there. How much was he making? Just asking if JD Vance is gay or trans. I'm just asking. That's all.

01:14:53.400 Just asking. Yeah. Is it fair to ask? Cause I don't know. I've got good, great gaydar. Yeah.

01:14:58.660 Right. I mean, I'm just asking whether Tim Wallace is a pedophile. I'm just asking.

01:15:03.440 It's ridiculous. Is he punching his wife in the mouth? Does he look like the kind of guy who

01:15:06.840 could punch his wife in the mouth? I mean, maybe. Right. I mean, it's insane. This is,

01:15:12.660 of course, they will not be doing those segments on Tim Wallace. Although they're actually speaking

01:15:15.600 of pedophile. There is an interesting story about him that is kind of disturbing. I don't

01:15:20.420 know if you guys have seen this, but you know, he is about as far left as you can get on the trans

01:15:23.500 stuff, making Minnesota trans refuge state. You can send your, your, your kid there. If you won't

01:15:28.380 affirm your kid's identity and let him chop off his penis at age 13 in Wisconsin, he can go to

01:15:33.420 Minnesota. A court will take custody of him. All he has to say is my

01:15:36.820 parents won't let me do it. They won't affirm me. Um, the court will take custody and let him do it

01:15:41.940 in Minnesota. Thanks to Tim Wallace. 100% true. The media got all excited when I first said it,

01:15:47.760 ready to fact check me on it only to find out I'm right. It's in writing, look up the law.

01:15:52.940 Um, that's just one of many. He did put tampons in boys' rooms as a mandate. I could go on. Um,

01:15:59.820 however, one thing that hasn't gotten as much coverage is there's a human rights law in Minnesota

01:16:04.720 that he revised and he took out of said human rights law, a comment that pedophiles do not

01:16:11.720 qualify for the protections of the human rights laws. They cannot use, you know, anti-discrimination

01:16:17.220 laws to protect their conduct as pedophiles. So the law said that explicitly before, and he

01:16:25.840 removed that, he removed that line, which led many to say, what are you doing? Why would you

01:16:33.700 make it anything but perfectly clear that pedophiles don't have protection under the human rights laws?

01:16:39.100 And the answer is unclear because there's a Republican who was part of the Minnesota legislature

01:16:44.420 who went online and did a long thread on all of this. I'll get you his name. It's someplace in my

01:16:48.360 packet. And, um, he said, let me explain to you. Originally there were some LGBTQ people who were like,

01:16:54.520 we don't want that line in here because there's no, it's not necessary. LGBTQ people are not

01:16:58.860 associated with pedophiles. And even putting that in there is offensive to us. You know,

01:17:02.700 like you don't need to say that. And then there was pushback by this Minnesota Republican and others

01:17:07.780 saying we get that, but we actually really feel the need to make this clear because removing the line

01:17:13.920 that they're not protected could have legal implications in further proceedings where somebody

01:17:20.360 comes forward to say, I'm a pedophile and I do have protections. Look how they removed that one

01:17:24.800 line from the human rights law. And that the line was removed. He ultimately, the Minnesota lawmaker

01:17:32.200 said, I actually felt great because I thought we actually had reached an agreement. His name is

01:17:35.660 Minnesota state representative Harry Niska and I SKA. And he said for a while there, I thought, okay,

01:17:40.620 reason has prevailed. We're going to keep the line in there to make very clear. They get no protections

01:17:44.880 whatsoever. And he said, then the Democrats, um, had a closed door session. No Republicans were

01:17:50.560 allowed in the conference committee. The Democrats made the clarifying language just disappear and

01:17:59.420 disappeared. It still is. He wrote someday. He said, I worry that an enterprising lawyer or nonprofit

01:18:05.920 will bring a case arguing that quote, minor attracted status. That's how they're trying to rebrand

01:18:12.620 pedophilia. Uh, just, you're just a map, minor attracted person. You're not a pedophile pervert

01:18:17.080 fits into the statute. He writes, I won't help lay out the playbook, but the statutory interpretation

01:18:23.660 arguments are there. I hope and pray that the Minnesota courts would reject that argument,

01:18:28.000 but we'll see. This is another thing like the stolen valor valor guys. Every time Tim Waltz may

01:18:33.820 takes an action in this realm, it's to go more radical, to make things more problematic for children to get

01:18:42.040 hurt in all these realms, whether it's in the trans realm or in the bathroom where little boys should

01:18:47.600 not be having to look at tampons and ask themselves why they're in there or having there be any ambiguity

01:18:53.920 around pedophiles and the fact that they are not protected by LGBTQ protections in the law.

01:19:01.420 That's the first I've heard of this, but, um, I think to the point of, you know, how one

01:19:07.240 attacks Tim Walz, I mean, if this stuff, I mean, you know, I'm taking your word for this,

01:19:12.120 I haven't seen the story at all, but, you know, these types of things, I mean, you know, I don't

01:19:17.160 know how well certain culture war issues play, but I think the stuff that you're talking about,

01:19:23.680 and particularly when it comes to trans stuff, you know, people tend to be on the side of reason

01:19:30.160 and on the side of it, when you say like tampons in the boys' room, is it the most important issue

01:19:34.540 of the world? Probably not, but it's also something that jostles people and says, you know,

01:19:40.020 I don't know if I like the drift of the culture in this direction. So yeah, I mean, again, it's,

01:19:45.160 I think back to Trump and message discipline, and I'd like to see how this stuff comes up in a J.D.

01:19:52.700 Vance debate with Kamala Harris. I mean, I was-

01:19:55.600 He needs to do his homework.

01:19:56.280 He needs to do his homework. He's a very good debater, by the way. He's, I disagree with him

01:20:00.960 on a lot of stuff, particularly economic issues, but I think he's a very, very bright guy and very

01:20:05.640 good at it. But-

01:20:07.160 J.D. Vance.

01:20:07.960 J.D. Vance. And I'll say this to what Megan said. I watched the debate between the vice

01:20:14.580 presidential debate last time around with Mike Pence. I watched it with Steve Bannon. I went and

01:20:21.800 shot something, and Steve Bannon and I watched the debate together.

01:20:24.120 J.D. Vance. Yeah, he was just preparing for prison at that point. This was, you know, 2020.

01:20:33.660 J.D. Vance. Oh, like when it happened. Okay.

01:20:35.400 J.D. Vance. I remember-

01:20:36.000 J.D. Vance. That's an idea, though.

01:20:37.000 J.D. Vance. Yeah, I mean, it'd be a great idea. I remember him saying that.

01:20:39.180 J.D. Vance. I was going to say, how'd you smuggle like a screen in there?

01:20:43.140 J.D. Vance. Maybe I don't want to know.

01:20:45.700 J.D. Vance. It's a country club prison, and the smuggling was easy.

01:20:48.260 J.D. Vance. But yeah, I remember him commenting to me that she performed well and that she

01:20:56.100 acquitted herself well. And I know that you went back and watched it. I've gone back and watched

01:20:59.600 clips. But, you know, these are issues I imagine that will come up, and J.D. Vance better be

01:21:06.080 prepared to have a good debate about them. And I think that will be the most interesting thing for

01:21:11.160 the remainder of the campaign. Because, you know, a Trump debate is all, it's a lot of drama,

01:21:16.680 and it's a lot of fireworks, and it's a lot of theatrics. And I think that, too, the J.D. Vance,

01:21:23.940 Tim Walls debate will be something that will be slightly more traditional in the sense that you

01:21:29.100 would see in debates. And I'm actually looking forward to it.

01:21:32.760 Me too. I don't think it's scheduled. We cut a bit of it. I want to say, look,

01:21:36.700 she's not Newt Gingrich. So let's, like, be real about what to expect. But she's not her normal

01:21:43.260 self, either. She's not, like, the cackling Kamala. She's not the school buses, and I love

01:21:48.840 them, and the Venn diagrams, and the this is space, and this is Ukraine. She's not that in the debate.

01:21:54.780 She gets it together. We cut a little bit. I think you're about to find yourself slightly

01:21:59.200 irritated by her, but you will also be able to see that she's not the school bus Venn diagram

01:22:04.400 version of her. So people need to know what to expect. Here it is.

01:22:08.980 Let's talk about respecting the American people. You respect the American people when you tell them

01:22:13.260 the truth. You respect the American people when you have the courage to be a leader speaking of

01:22:18.860 those things that you may not want people to hear, but they need to hear so they can protect

01:22:22.880 themselves. We now know Donald Trump owes and is in debt for $400 million. And just so everyone is

01:22:31.840 clear. When we say in debt, it means you owe money to somebody. And it'd be really good to know who

01:22:38.020 the President of the United States, the Commander-in-Chief, owes money to because the American

01:22:43.200 people have a right to know what is influencing the President's decisions. But I think this is

01:22:49.540 supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth. And the truth and the fact is Joe Biden has been

01:22:53.920 very clear he will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000 a year.

01:22:58.160 He said he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts. Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.

01:23:02.660 I'm speaking. It'd be important if you said the truth.

01:23:05.800 I'm so glad we went through a little history lesson. Let's do that a little more.

01:23:11.160 In 1864-

01:23:12.580 Well, I'd like you to answer the question.

01:23:13.900 Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking. I'm speaking.

01:23:16.840 We are talking about an election in 27 days where last week the President of the United States

01:23:23.200 took a debate stage in front of 70 million Americans and refused to condemn white supremacists.

01:23:30.040 Not true.

01:23:30.580 Oh, God.

01:23:31.260 Not true.

01:23:32.280 It wasn't like he didn't have a chance. He didn't do it. And then he doubled down.

01:23:39.300 Yeah, that's just not true. That fly on his head. Yeah.

01:23:43.140 So annoying.

01:23:44.060 Marka Kane.

01:23:45.880 She has had some pretty awful moments on the debate stage, too. I mean, I felt that I was that

01:23:51.140 little girl thing was pretty cringy, but also there was that moment where she's talking

01:23:55.640 to Joe Biden during the primaries, and Joe corrects her and says, well, that would be

01:24:01.020 unconstitutional. He says, well, you've got to try.

01:24:05.320 So I don't know that you'll get that moment. I don't know that you'll get that moment out of

01:24:09.980 her when she's standing in the Trump.

01:24:11.420 Yeah, it's a good complex imitation, Camille.

01:24:14.720 I'll work on it some more, actually. I'll refine that.

01:24:17.100 Yeah, perfect your bit.

01:24:19.000 Yeah.

01:24:19.280 Well, she was substantive. You could see, like, she wasn't a completely vapid debater,

01:24:25.440 but she was annoying. I don't know that the left is capable of getting annoyed with her.

01:24:30.720 You know, so far, all that, Mr. Vice President, I'm speaking.

01:24:34.000 I can't do that.

01:24:35.160 Can't do that.

01:24:35.780 So far, that's turned into a Yas Queen moment out there on the campaign trail. All these young

01:24:40.400 girls are like, oh, yeah. I mean, it's so annoying. It's not that's not from a position of strength.

01:24:46.380 And by the way, it's a damn debate. He's allowed to jump in and be like, you voted against this,

01:24:52.600 right? Like, it's not everything is a disrespect.

01:24:56.420 No, I mean, also, I'll correct you on one thing, Megan. She did do the wheels on the bus

01:25:01.440 in the Ukraine thing in one bit. She explained to us what debt was.

01:25:04.980 I was like, well, thank you. Thank you for that condescending moment. It worked a little better.

01:25:09.760 And I also noticed that there were two between two slabs of plexiglass, which I had forgotten

01:25:14.400 about. I didn't remember that that was like the COVID debate. But yeah, I mean, I think that that

01:25:19.220 it's a slightly different vibe when she's on stage. But those canned lines, I mean, the Reagan line,

01:25:26.740 I mean, a number of Reagan lines, the youth and inexperienced line in particular from the 1984

01:25:32.760 debate, was delivered so expertly that no one could tell if it was preplanned, right? And there's

01:25:40.440 a number of those throughout Reagan's career, you know, I paid for this microphone, etc.

01:25:45.180 That stuff just looks so canned. And that's something that in politics, that's what Trump's

01:25:50.060 great advantage. You know, when he's stalking behind Hillary Clinton, which I think is probably

01:25:54.500 one of the greatest moments in debate history, and he says you'd be in jail, like that, like,

01:25:59.200 she thinks that like, the I'm speaking thing, like, empowers them to look really good. It's

01:26:04.880 like, no, it actually makes you look like a very bad actress. And I cannot stand it. It makes me

01:26:09.400 cringe every time I hear it.

01:26:11.720 I know. I know. I hear you. I include that because that was I think her those I think were her worst

01:26:16.360 moments. It was annoying. And honestly, I think you could get away with it once, you know, like,

01:26:20.460 let me finish that that.

01:26:21.800 Let me finish. But not like I am speaking and I am Yahweh. You know, her approach to it was just

01:26:31.020 so holier than thou. Like, okay, speaking of Reagan, my friend Mark Joseph has this amazing

01:26:38.420 biopic on Reagan coming out August 30. I'm telling you, truly, truly, truly run, don't walk to the

01:26:46.080 theaters. It's so good. It stars Dennis Quaid, Penelope Ann Miller plays Nancy. It I watched it

01:26:55.840 with him. I was thrilled to get a private screening and didn't know what to expect, right? Like, maybe

01:27:00.160 it'll be good. Maybe it was my friend. I hope it's good. I, I actually cried. I was really moved by the

01:27:05.980 whole thing. I just makes you feel patriotic. And you really respect the man, his service. It's like a

01:27:13.280 history lesson about our country to a different time when you could actually could get along across

01:27:18.400 the aisle. Guess what's happening now? Well, I'll tell you right after this break. Sorry,

01:27:23.840 I got to squeeze in a quick break. We'll come back with the trailer and I'll tell you what's happening.

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01:28:27.600 There's nothing a retired governor can do about the Soviets, but a president. Now he can do a thing

01:28:36.340 or two. Welcome to your life. I was a lifeguard on a river. There's no turning back. And I learned how to

01:28:48.480 read the currents. Not just the ones on the surface, but also the ones deep underneath

01:28:57.220 the water. I am about to start the biggest war of this century, and I'm not going to fire a single

01:29:06.800 shot. You're going to blow up eight years of diplomacy. Well, if you think that got their own

01:29:10.660 decent one, you just wait. What did the president know? And when did he know it? What would you have

01:29:16.880 me too? I want you to fight. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.

01:29:36.500 Ah, I'm getting chills just watching the trailer. I'm telling you, it's amazing. Programming note,

01:29:43.440 we're actually going to have the cast on this show at the end of August. So very much looking

01:29:47.380 forward to that, but here's what's happening with Facebook. They are censoring the promotion

01:29:53.720 of this movie that, um, here's what's happened. There was a post containing the title of the movie

01:30:01.740 and an image of Dennis Quaid, along with a quote from Ronald Reagan. Don't let anyone tell you

01:30:07.620 America's best days are behind her, that the American spirit has been vanquished.

01:30:11.700 reads the quote. We've seen it triumph too often in our lives, not to believe it. Now,

01:30:17.640 Facebook allowed the post, but refused to let the marketers boost it by way of a paid advertisement

01:30:23.780 because they think it's too political. Video clips of Quaid discussing the movie on TV and podcasts that

01:30:33.100 were posted to the Reagan movies, Facebook page also caused the social media platform to temporarily

01:30:38.580 suspend their account at least twice. According to notices reviewed by Newsweek, the letter says that

01:30:46.820 when attempting to boost the post containing a quote from Reagan, but they couldn't do it because

01:30:51.980 it mentions politicians or is about sensitive issues that could influence public opinion,

01:30:58.300 how people vote and may impact the outcome of an election or pending legislation. Dennis Quaid responded,

01:31:04.460 the last time Ronald Reagan's name was on the ballot was 40 years ago. This is insane.

01:31:14.740 Insane and totally predictable. I mean, predictable as a result of these insane campaigns

01:31:20.400 against Facebook that suggested that Donald Trump won the election because of meddling on Facebook.

01:31:27.060 So what does that do retroactively? Nothing. You can't go back and say, well, we would take these

01:31:32.240 things away that we allowed this BS about Russian misinformation on Facebook. By the way, I recommend

01:31:38.280 that people go back because I think that really lodged in people's head that that was something real.

01:31:42.420 And you see that these things did exist and they were viewed by almost no one. This is Politico a

01:31:48.160 long time ago did a breakdown of all the actual ads and the number of page views and impressions they

01:31:53.120 got on Facebook, which were negligible. But the being hauled in front of Congress, the weight of the

01:31:57.720 government being brought down on Facebook and public opinion, they then are overly cautious, I would

01:32:04.820 say, because they don't want to be blamed for anything anymore because the original blame was bullshit.

01:32:12.020 Of course, we can't look at World War Two now. We can't look at anything that makes Lincoln look good.

01:32:17.760 He was a Republican. It's it makes zero sense. But the etymology of it is because of a lie that Facebook

01:32:25.580 actually, you know, essentially changed the results of an election because that's what happens when you lose

01:32:31.560 an election in 2016. You try to make up a bunch of reasons that you lost and it wasn't you. It was fake news.

01:32:37.660 Fake news, remember, was initially Clinton. When confronted by Facebook, they're like, oh,

01:32:43.280 it was a mistake because of the algorithm. Sure, it was. Sure. Because even they know that they're

01:32:48.580 going to get slapped for trying to censor a biopic about a U.S. president from decades ago. This isn't

01:32:55.220 like they're doing this big laudatory piece about Trump. You know that? I guess Facebook could censor

01:33:00.960 saying we don't do that anymore. But this is ridiculous. You guys, I don't have that much time

01:33:05.440 left. I've got to get to this next story. The Democratic National Convention is their account

01:33:10.460 on X is tweeting out like exciting things happening at the convention next week. And somebody made a

01:33:16.720 boo boo and released the list of influencers who have been invited by the Democrats to go to the

01:33:23.900 convention. And while they're not speaking on the stage necessarily, they're going to be used behind

01:33:29.100 the scenes to generate buzz and so on. And one is this guy, Jeffrey Marsh, who I've long seen on

01:33:39.640 Twitter and X where else. He's basically Dylan Mulvaney. And here's a little compilation of who the DNC

01:33:48.200 would like to highlight next week.

01:33:51.220 Hey, kids, there are people who are not boys and not girls like me. I'm non-binary. Biological sex

01:33:59.400 is fake. I love here are three reasons why sex is difficult for you. I love here are three ways to

01:34:07.160 disrespect your elders. If you have no family, you can be in my family. If you needed to go no contact

01:34:16.760 or limited contact, I love you very much. Your parents screwed up. It's okay to say so. That's why I made a

01:34:29.640 Patreon so that we could talk about it so we could connect in a way that has more privacy. And I am

01:34:38.160 not a danger to children. I am a danger to parents, though. You're welcome here in this family on this

01:34:47.380 page. We will love you unconditionally. You stay away from me and my children. I think I speak for

01:34:56.500 the mothers of America there. How on earth does that person get invited to go be a representative

01:35:04.400 at the DNC? A representative of what?

01:35:11.040 Their party. I can figure out. Their party. He's probably going to be like, Tim Walls. Yes, you're my hero.

01:35:18.760 I don't even know what to say to that. I honestly don't. I can't say anything generous.

01:35:22.640 It's the Maya Angelou. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. This is the Democrats showing us who

01:35:28.840 they are, Camille.

01:35:30.440 I'm confident that this is them trying to do the whole inclusion thing. The reality, though, is that you could

01:35:36.780 almost certainly find any one of a million better representatives than that particular person. I mean, the

01:35:44.120 appeals with respect to, like, I'm not a threat to children. I am a threat to parents. You're welcome here. I know what

01:35:50.760 you're going for. The vibe, however, is incredibly creepy. All of it seems to suggest, like, your family

01:35:59.120 isn't there for you, but I am there for you. I will keep you safe. I'm the one. Here are ways to

01:36:04.300 disrespect your parents. And clearly, this montage is not necessarily curated in a way to make him look

01:36:09.500 the most interesting. But I've certainly seen him online. And I think that's actually pretty

01:36:13.620 representative of the perspectives and the tone that he offers in a lot of his online content.

01:36:20.900 And yeah, no, it seems to me that that is a mistake. I wouldn't suggest that the RNC hasn't

01:36:26.560 made its own mistakes with respect to its kind of curation of people that it brings to these events.

01:36:32.820 But I think Democrats have made a real mistake with trying to place some of these issues and some

01:36:37.720 of these personalities front and center. I mean, there are so many ways to be inclusive without picking

01:36:42.820 the most, like, inflammatory, eccentric person. I mean, you tell me, Camille, they're trying to win

01:36:47.100 back black men. Black men tend to be Christian. They tend to be more conservative in their social

01:36:53.700 beliefs. Is this the way? Jeffrey Marsh is the way to win back the black men who are migrating towards

01:36:59.980 Trump? I would certainly suggest that I know exactly what you're talking about with respect to the

01:37:05.140 tendencies in these particular demographics. And I don't know that that's going to be terribly

01:37:10.820 helpful to them, but that's probably why he's invited and not placed on stage.

01:37:15.100 And maybe, maybe Jeffrey should fight for, fight for the opportunity to be on stage.

01:37:19.540 Yeah.

01:37:20.020 I've never, I've never rescinded the invitation.

01:37:23.260 Am I, Camille, what precincts of the internet are you hanging out with? I've never seen this

01:37:27.680 stuff before in my life.

01:37:29.300 I haven't?

01:37:30.000 No.

01:37:30.640 I'm in the darkness.

01:37:31.500 No, because, because I don't have people.

01:37:34.480 I have to check. I have to know what the kids are paying attention to.

01:37:38.180 Well, I just, I just want everyone out there to know that I have started a Patreon so you

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01:37:55.820 Don't tell mom.

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01:37:59.640 You're going to break the internet. This is going to be, this is going to be just as

01:38:02.020 broken as when Elon started his thing with Trump. They're flocking there right now.

01:38:06.500 Wow. Guys, a wonderful time as always. Great to see you.

01:38:10.420 Thank you, Megan.

01:38:11.180 Thanks, Megan.

01:38:11.980 And guess what? You can see the guys from the DNC next week. Maybe we'll check in with

01:38:17.360 them and see how they're faring. Maybe they'll run into Jeffrey and have a little conversation

01:38:20.980 with him. That could be fun to watch. And you find more of their work at wethefifth.com.

01:38:27.020 Thank you all for listening. Tomorrow we are back with Maureen Callahan and more. See you then.

01:38:31.460 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 14, 2024

Colbert Audience Laughs at CNN, Walz's Outrageous COVID Crackdowns, and Previewing Trump vs. Harris Debate, with The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 861

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