The Megyn Kelly Show - Corporate Media's Latest Smears, and a Disastrous Border Crisis, with Glenn Greenwald and Brandon Judd

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00:00:30.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.460 I'm so excited for today's content.

00:00:48.500 First, we may be about to see a major about face

00:00:51.960 from President Biden.

00:00:53.200 He's now reportedly looking to keep

00:00:54.660 one of former President Trump's major restrictions

00:00:57.060 at the southern border

00:00:58.300 because he's under pressure from moderate Democrats

00:01:00.660 who know they're going to get their rear ends handed to them.

00:01:03.220 They're going to get booted right out of office in November

00:01:05.860 if we make things even looser and less restrictive

00:01:09.500 at their southern border.

00:01:10.860 OK, so President Biden just vowed to lift this restriction

00:01:15.960 and now he's wavering because he realizes he's devastating his own party.

00:01:20.800 So we'll get into that in a minute.

00:01:22.660 And we'll also talk about Jen Psaki's refusal

00:01:25.420 to apologize either on her own behalf

00:01:29.540 or on behalf of the president

00:01:30.780 to those border agents they wrongfully smeared

00:01:33.560 back in September

00:01:35.680 by saying that they had whipped migrants,

00:01:38.200 which was a lie.

00:01:39.620 And they they continue to make those comments

00:01:41.740 even after they had, quote, opened an investigation.

00:01:44.080 But then when asked yesterday,

00:01:45.380 will you apologize to them?

00:01:47.160 Jen Psaki said we can't

00:01:48.420 because there's an ongoing investigation.

00:01:50.340 Will you already you already condemned them

00:01:52.420 in the course of an open investigation?

00:01:54.000 And now we're asking you to undo it

00:01:55.920 or at a minimum apologize for commenting.

00:01:58.720 Oh, and suddenly Kat's got her tongue.

00:02:00.540 We'll get into it when we're joined later by President

00:02:03.700 or by Brandon Judd,

00:02:05.300 who is the president of the union

00:02:06.640 that represents border agents nationwide.

00:02:08.920 He's fired up and I am, too.

00:02:11.180 But first, we have got to discuss this story

00:02:14.000 and we have the perfect person here to do it.

00:02:16.140 The Washington Post is now defending

00:02:17.860 one of its, quote, reporters

00:02:20.460 for tracking down and exposing

00:02:23.400 the anonymous woman behind a social media account

00:02:26.580 called Libs of TikTok.

00:02:28.760 It's very popular with conservatives

00:02:30.900 because it shows content that's over on TikTok

00:02:33.540 of these far left progressives, for the most part,

00:02:36.980 outing their own oddities

00:02:38.620 in ways you half the time can't believe are real.

00:02:41.740 But she sort of collates them

00:02:43.120 and puts them on Twitter

00:02:44.220 and you don't have to go on TikTok

00:02:45.660 and find them yourself.

00:02:46.740 And that's why a lot of us like it,

00:02:48.280 conservative or not.

00:02:49.820 So it was very popular on the right wing

00:02:52.460 and those of us in the middle as well.

00:02:54.680 So reporter Taylor Lorenz,

00:02:57.560 formerly of The New York Times,

00:02:58.840 now with The Washington Post,

00:03:00.020 apparently decided this person

00:03:01.420 needed to be outed, shamed and harassed.

00:03:04.940 Yes, the same Taylor Lorenz,

00:03:07.500 who days ago, days ago,

00:03:10.420 was on national television

00:03:11.700 crying about all the harassment

00:03:14.640 she's faced online

00:03:16.460 as the target of criticism.

00:03:17.980 It's so hard for people

00:03:19.420 to say the mean things about you.

00:03:21.100 And then she continues

00:03:26.380 what has been her entire career

00:03:28.900 of doing that to somebody else.

00:03:31.460 That's literally her bread and butter.

00:03:33.000 That's maybe not literally,

00:03:34.440 but that's literally her business.

00:03:36.000 That's her business.

00:03:37.840 Glenn Greenwald says,

00:03:39.480 just imagine, imagine,

00:03:41.400 ask yourself whether The Washington Post

00:03:43.240 would have done the same

00:03:44.900 to a popular trans activist

00:03:47.580 who chose to stay anonymous

00:03:49.680 or to a pro-Black Lives Matter account

00:03:52.800 posting content,

00:03:54.460 but insisting on staying anonymous.

00:03:57.100 We all know the answer.

00:04:03.300 Glenn Greenwald is a Pulitzer Prize winning,

00:04:05.980 now Substack journalist,

00:04:07.520 author and co-founder of The Intercept.

00:04:10.180 He joins me now.

00:04:11.180 Glenn, I'm so happy to have you here today.

00:04:13.280 Thanks for coming on.

00:04:14.460 Happy to be with you as always, Megan,

00:04:15.900 but especially on an occasion like this one.

00:04:18.960 The thing about this,

00:04:20.760 I have zero use for Taylor Lorenz.

00:04:23.020 I know you feel the same,

00:04:24.540 but her behavior is indicative

00:04:27.920 of so many larger societal awful things

00:04:31.660 that are happening

00:04:32.260 that it's thrilling to talk about it.

00:04:35.100 It's thrilling to see it all embodied

00:04:37.000 in one person's terrible behavior.

00:04:39.300 That's what excites me about the story.

00:04:40.800 The powerful, the elite,

00:04:44.540 the snobs taking aim

00:04:46.840 at the, not downtrodden,

00:04:49.400 but certainly not as famous,

00:04:50.860 not as big a platform people of America

00:04:53.460 to try to ruin their lives.

00:04:55.300 And then where there's any tiny bit of backlash,

00:04:58.200 they play the victim.

00:04:59.880 They claim to be harassed,

00:05:02.920 to have one's picture posted.

00:05:05.460 Meanwhile, that's exactly what she does

00:05:07.300 for a living.

00:05:07.940 What do you make of Taylor Lorenz?

00:05:10.540 Yeah, there's so much going on here,

00:05:12.200 which is why this story merits attention.

00:05:14.000 If it were just one kind of aberrational,

00:05:16.900 clearly unwell reporter

00:05:18.920 who alienated a lot of her colleagues

00:05:20.980 at the New York Times

00:05:21.940 when she was there,

00:05:23.160 and especially when she left,

00:05:24.860 and is controversial even within the media,

00:05:27.120 it wouldn't really be worth

00:05:28.040 paying that much attention to one reporter,

00:05:30.300 even though she's a very influential

00:05:31.920 and powerful reporter.

00:05:33.380 After all, her stories appear

00:05:34.500 on the front page

00:05:35.280 of the two most powerful

00:05:37.040 or two of the most powerful newspapers

00:05:38.840 in the West,

00:05:39.540 first the New York Times,

00:05:40.420 now the Washington Post.

00:05:41.960 She currently works at a newspaper

00:05:43.500 owned by the richest

00:05:45.840 or second richest man in the world,

00:05:47.420 depending on how you count,

00:05:48.400 Jeff Bezos.

00:05:49.620 So she wields a lot of power

00:05:50.760 and a lot of influence,

00:05:51.480 but if it were just her standing alone

00:05:53.320 as this kind of exception,

00:05:55.260 you would maybe pay some attention to it,

00:05:57.560 but nowhere near enough.

00:05:58.520 The reason why it's worthy

00:05:59.760 of the attention it's getting

00:06:01.120 is in part because of what you said,

00:06:04.140 that she is a somewhat extreme,

00:06:06.000 but nonetheless extremely illustrative expression

00:06:08.800 of the prevailing values

00:06:11.480 in the liberal wing of the corporate media.

00:06:14.320 She's over the top with it.

00:06:16.160 She's very melodramatic.

00:06:17.300 She's very narcissistic and self-centered,

00:06:19.100 but it still provides a very vivid window

00:06:22.040 into how they actually think,

00:06:23.920 and it's especially true

00:06:25.380 because you see that

00:06:27.140 when she does things like this,

00:06:29.160 it doesn't receive any criticism

00:06:31.640 from mainstream media figures.

00:06:34.700 They close ranks.

00:06:36.320 They support her.

00:06:37.980 She was widely cheered by all of,

00:06:41.600 or many of the employees

00:06:43.140 of the liberal digital outlets,

00:06:44.940 of the Washington Post, of CNN.

00:06:47.200 The Washington Post issued a statement

00:06:48.780 heralding her as a great and competent journalist.

00:06:52.540 So what she's doing

00:06:53.520 is something that the dominant wing

00:06:56.520 of the media approves of,

00:06:58.140 which is why it's worth discussing

00:07:00.100 because in this approval,

00:07:01.620 you see this important shift

00:07:04.820 that took place, in my view,

00:07:06.620 with the emergence of Donald Trump,

00:07:08.780 first as a candidate

00:07:09.580 and then as a president.

00:07:11.220 Traditionally, I'm not saying it was perfect,

00:07:12.960 but the model to which journalists aspired

00:07:16.080 was captured by phrases like

00:07:18.160 speak truth to power

00:07:19.360 or afflict the powerful

00:07:21.420 and comfort the powerless.

00:07:23.220 The idea was the most heroic journalism,

00:07:25.460 but things like the Pentagon Papers

00:07:26.880 or Watergate

00:07:27.840 or exposing the secrets of the CIA,

00:07:30.040 the NSA,

00:07:30.720 that's what won Pulitzer

00:07:31.500 is when you confronted

00:07:32.440 actual power centers,

00:07:34.260 exposed how billionaires hide their assets.

00:07:36.740 But what happened in the Trump era

00:07:38.300 was they decided that these power centers,

00:07:40.600 the CIA, the Pentagon,

00:07:42.720 the kind of US security state,

00:07:44.920 Wall Street,

00:07:45.480 and Silicon Valley billionaires

00:07:46.640 weren't their adversaries any longer.

00:07:48.620 They were their allies.

00:07:49.580 They were the ones

00:07:50.080 who were feeding them Russiagate leaks,

00:07:52.140 plotting against Trump,

00:07:53.840 pouring huge amounts of money

00:07:54.860 into the Democratic Party.

00:07:55.880 They didn't want to investigate

00:07:56.880 those power centers any longer.

00:07:58.180 They were aligned with them,

00:07:59.740 and they decided instead

00:08:00.940 that the real threat

00:08:02.040 to the United States

00:08:02.800 was not just Donald Trump,

00:08:04.520 but the movement behind him,

00:08:06.300 which meant that any citizen,

00:08:07.940 no matter how private,

00:08:09.200 no matter how powerless,

00:08:10.300 no matter how obscure,

00:08:12.640 who expressed conservative views

00:08:14.780 or some kind of a sympathy

00:08:16.600 with the MAGA movement

00:08:18.480 became an enemy,

00:08:20.240 a valid target

00:08:22.200 of journalistic scrutiny.

00:08:24.220 And it wasn't just in this case

00:08:25.780 where they unmasked

00:08:26.820 a person whose politics

00:08:28.440 they didn't like.

00:08:29.120 They've been doing it repeatedly.

00:08:30.460 CNN has done it.

00:08:31.320 The Daily Beast has done it.

00:08:32.400 The Intercept,

00:08:32.960 the outlet that I shamefully co-founded

00:08:34.940 and then left,

00:08:36.000 proudly left,

00:08:36.920 has done it many times.

00:08:38.300 There's an ethos

00:08:39.280 in the modern-day iteration

00:08:40.440 of corporate journalism

00:08:41.420 that the true enemies

00:08:43.400 are not government institutions

00:08:45.040 or centers of financial power,

00:08:47.200 but instead ordinary individual citizens

00:08:50.080 who should have journalistic scrutiny

00:08:53.220 and punishment

00:08:53.920 if they have the wrong ideology,

00:08:55.860 by which it means

00:08:57.040 a rejection of liberal orthodoxy.

00:08:59.740 So just for background

00:09:00.880 for the audience,

00:09:02.900 Taylor Lorenz,

00:09:04.180 she was called a tech reporter

00:09:05.320 when she was at the New York Times.

00:09:07.140 Now I think they say

00:09:07.800 she's like the online reporter.

00:09:09.800 I don't know.

00:09:11.560 Tiana Lowe of the Washington Examiner.

00:09:12.320 I think they call her a columnist now.

00:09:14.300 Okay.

00:09:14.760 At the Washington Post, yeah.

00:09:16.100 Tiana Lowe of the Washington Examiner

00:09:17.620 did a great piece on her earlier in March.

00:09:21.300 And the headline of her piece was

00:09:23.280 Taylor Lorenz did this to herself.

00:09:25.680 This is after she was crying in her soup

00:09:27.500 about how mean the internet is to her.

00:09:29.380 And she gave a bunch of great examples

00:09:31.740 of how this woman has,

00:09:34.040 Taylor Lorenz,

00:09:34.580 has made her career.

00:09:35.780 And one of the examples

00:09:36.720 was the Ashri sisters.

00:09:39.400 They were apparently very popular

00:09:41.280 on Instagram

00:09:42.000 under the account

00:09:43.180 girlwithnojob.

00:09:45.080 It was like a couple of sisters on there

00:09:47.220 talking about their lives

00:09:48.560 and one was talking about food

00:09:50.200 and one was more about fashion

00:09:51.920 and one was about life

00:09:53.320 and so on.

00:09:54.040 And it looks like a couple of them

00:09:55.080 were mildly political

00:09:56.760 but not, you know,

00:09:57.920 just occasionally

00:09:58.520 and the other two weren't at all.

00:10:00.660 And the ones who were a little political

00:10:02.280 were Trump supporters.

00:10:04.020 They sounded pro-Trump.

00:10:05.860 That's where they went wrong.

00:10:07.220 That's clearly where they

00:10:08.040 ran afoul of Taylor Lorenz.

00:10:11.120 So she did a piece on them

00:10:13.000 for what she was writing

00:10:14.740 for the Daily Beast

00:10:15.460 outraged

00:10:16.800 that these girls

00:10:18.040 never had the guts

00:10:19.980 to admit

00:10:21.280 that their mother

00:10:23.020 is Pam Geller.

00:10:24.720 Pam Geller is a

00:10:26.360 right-wing media figure,

00:10:28.740 sort of.

00:10:29.580 She's the one

00:10:30.180 who hosted the Draw Muhammad

00:10:32.260 contest down in Texas

00:10:33.860 to try to make a point

00:10:35.380 about free speech.

00:10:36.560 And that did turn

00:10:37.720 potentially criminal

00:10:38.500 or two guys got arrested

00:10:39.740 who were going to attack the event.

00:10:41.760 Anyway,

00:10:41.940 she was trying to make a point

00:10:42.680 about free speech.

00:10:43.260 These girls,

00:10:45.160 their sin,

00:10:46.020 the reason they had to be outed

00:10:47.140 and no longer allowed

00:10:47.960 to remain anonymous

00:10:48.780 was because

00:10:49.440 that was their mom.

00:10:50.920 And unlike most 20-year-olds,

00:10:52.540 I guess they didn't want their mom

00:10:53.660 all over their Insta page.

00:10:55.900 And they didn't want to continue

00:10:56.980 touting their mom

00:10:57.900 and showing pictures

00:10:59.100 with their mom.

00:11:00.380 And you could give them credit

00:11:01.640 for not, you know,

00:11:02.360 sort of riding on her coattails

00:11:03.560 because she's very well-known

00:11:04.900 and liked by some

00:11:05.780 in the Republican Party.

00:11:06.780 But to Lorenz,

00:11:08.520 this was disgusting.

00:11:09.720 So she does a long piece

00:11:10.960 outing them.

00:11:11.700 And the one,

00:11:13.120 the most famous girl

00:11:13.840 got fired.

00:11:15.000 She lost,

00:11:15.580 she lost a piece

00:11:17.260 that was like,

00:11:18.220 she lost her,

00:11:19.120 her talent agency

00:11:20.320 after her show was canceled.

00:11:22.120 So she suffered consequences

00:11:23.780 as a result of this

00:11:24.700 Taylor Lorenz hit piece.

00:11:26.260 And then

00:11:27.080 she tweets out,

00:11:29.160 I guess,

00:11:29.520 I don't know what happened,

00:11:30.760 but one of the girls

00:11:31.520 tweeted out

00:11:32.140 that Taylor Lorenz

00:11:32.860 shouldn't do this.

00:11:34.000 And Lorenz plays the victim

00:11:35.180 even then.

00:11:36.800 Disappointing

00:11:37.280 to see girl

00:11:37.880 with no job,

00:11:39.080 a racist influencer

00:11:40.440 who doxed

00:11:41.320 my entire family.

00:11:42.880 Here she goes again.

00:11:43.960 Threatened me

00:11:44.860 and harassed me

00:11:46.300 out of my apartment

00:11:47.320 and never once apologized

00:11:48.700 for her racist

00:11:49.480 Islamophobic tweets

00:11:50.620 and posts

00:11:51.120 getting paid

00:11:52.160 by Samsung now.

00:11:53.140 This is later

00:11:53.560 when she got an advertiser

00:11:54.500 on her new venture.

00:11:56.240 And then she goes on

00:11:57.440 to talk about how

00:11:58.240 it's truly horrible

00:11:59.840 the way she incited

00:12:00.940 and encouraged her fans

00:12:02.120 to attack me.

00:12:03.400 She's never once

00:12:04.200 expressed remorse.

00:12:04.940 You were the aggressor,

00:12:06.600 Taylor.

00:12:07.080 You were the aggressor.

00:12:08.380 This girl denies

00:12:09.040 doxing Taylor

00:12:10.100 at all in any way.

00:12:11.820 But the reason

00:12:13.200 I go through

00:12:13.620 that long example,

00:12:14.500 Glenn,

00:12:15.000 is because,

00:12:15.680 as you will now

00:12:16.160 walk us through,

00:12:17.100 it is the beginnings

00:12:18.180 of what would be

00:12:18.860 a pattern

00:12:19.400 for this so-called

00:12:20.540 Washington Post reporter.

00:12:23.900 Yeah, exactly.

00:12:24.500 I mean, look,

00:12:25.180 she got to the New York Times.

00:12:26.760 You don't get to

00:12:27.260 the New York Times

00:12:27.820 randomly.

00:12:28.280 You get to the New York Times

00:12:29.180 by demonstrating

00:12:30.000 that the work you're doing

00:12:30.980 will be popular

00:12:31.620 with their readers

00:12:32.440 or otherwise

00:12:33.360 in alignment

00:12:34.200 with their journalistic values.

00:12:35.660 And if you look

00:12:36.900 at what she did

00:12:37.960 in the two or three years

00:12:38.980 or more

00:12:39.960 to build up

00:12:40.800 her online platform,

00:12:43.300 she wasn't a trained journalist,

00:12:44.620 but she developed

00:12:45.980 a body of work

00:12:46.720 that became

00:12:47.660 influential

00:12:48.400 and controversial

00:12:49.380 and polarizing

00:12:50.240 and well-liked

00:12:51.160 in some circles.

00:12:52.040 It was almost exclusively

00:12:54.060 doing the kind of thing

00:12:55.040 that you just described.

00:12:57.140 She would target

00:12:58.060 teenagers

00:12:58.660 who were popular

00:12:59.620 on TikTok

00:13:00.440 and would dig

00:13:03.240 into their tweet history

00:13:04.800 when they were 14

00:13:05.880 and 15

00:13:06.420 and find so-called

00:13:07.560 problematic tweets

00:13:08.500 and try and ruin

00:13:09.700 their reputation.

00:13:10.960 I'm talking about

00:13:11.280 like 18 and 19-year-old kids.

00:13:13.220 She would like

00:13:13.960 lurk outside of

00:13:15.320 teenage influencers' homes.

00:13:18.120 You know,

00:13:18.260 they would live together

00:13:18.980 in homes

00:13:19.420 like 18 and 19-year-olds

00:13:20.700 and at the age of,

00:13:21.980 no,

00:13:22.260 her age is unknown.

00:13:24.180 She gives very conflicting

00:13:25.500 accounts about it

00:13:26.360 because she likes

00:13:27.240 to create this perception

00:13:28.080 that she's extremely young.

00:13:29.200 If you criticize her,

00:13:30.060 they'll say,

00:13:30.420 oh,

00:13:30.520 why are you attacking

00:13:31.280 this young woman

00:13:32.660 who just entered journalism

00:13:33.780 as though she's like 20

00:13:34.840 when in fact

00:13:35.300 she's in her mid-30s?

00:13:36.500 She kind of developed

00:13:37.040 a specialty for like

00:13:38.200 lurking outside

00:13:39.260 of teenage online culture

00:13:41.120 and unmasking

00:13:42.640 and uncovering their past.

00:13:44.540 I mean,

00:13:44.700 talking about researching

00:13:46.000 the tweet history

00:13:46.980 of teenagers,

00:13:47.760 like it doesn't get

00:13:48.480 more bottom of the barrel

00:13:49.440 than that,

00:13:50.240 in my opinion,

00:13:50.960 from the perspective

00:13:51.680 of what journalism

00:13:52.300 is supposed to be.

00:13:53.720 And in the case of,

00:13:55.040 you know,

00:13:55.920 the daughters of Pam Geller,

00:13:57.820 you know,

00:13:58.040 I am most definitely

00:13:59.200 not a fan of Pam Geller.

00:14:01.080 She's even controversial

00:14:01.980 in large sectors

00:14:03.080 of the right.

00:14:03.620 I do think she's often

00:14:04.500 veered into

00:14:05.200 what I regard

00:14:06.540 as anti-Muslimanimous.

00:14:09.660 I think her devotion

00:14:11.140 to the state of Israel

00:14:12.200 is often way too extreme

00:14:13.980 and blind

00:14:14.680 and she's willing

00:14:15.760 to call people anti-Semites

00:14:17.020 if you even criticize Israel.

00:14:18.320 Oh, there's a lot

00:14:18.800 I don't like about Pam Geller.

00:14:20.540 But what does that have to do

00:14:21.420 with their daughters?

00:14:22.660 Right.

00:14:22.760 I mean,

00:14:23.400 I think it's a kind of

00:14:24.820 like a foundational

00:14:26.620 view of our culture

00:14:28.460 that we're not an aristocracy,

00:14:30.280 that you're not held

00:14:31.280 to the sins

00:14:32.000 or the accomplishments

00:14:33.220 of your parents.

00:14:34.960 I mean,

00:14:35.260 I wouldn't want to be held

00:14:36.200 to the political views

00:14:36.920 of my father

00:14:37.680 with whom I have all kinds

00:14:39.080 and I wouldn't want my kids

00:14:40.260 held responsible

00:14:41.260 for my views either.

00:14:42.600 Same.

00:14:43.040 So of course,

00:14:43.700 Pam Geller's daughters

00:14:44.740 have the right

00:14:45.480 to use their father's name

00:14:47.380 and to not quote unquote

00:14:49.060 admit

00:14:49.780 who their mother is

00:14:51.180 or what their opinion of

00:14:52.280 and also even if they did

00:14:54.160 have differences

00:14:54.700 with their mother,

00:14:55.780 what kind of sociopathic mindset

00:14:58.580 would demand

00:14:59.160 that they come out

00:14:59.800 and publicly denounce

00:15:00.780 their own mother?

00:15:02.260 So this is the sort of thing

00:15:04.020 that she built

00:15:04.640 her entire career on,

00:15:06.000 Megan,

00:15:06.200 as you know,

00:15:06.780 is targeting people

00:15:08.280 without power,

00:15:09.740 dragging their private lives

00:15:11.040 and their secrets

00:15:11.720 into the public limelight

00:15:13.700 in order to ruin

00:15:14.800 their reputation,

00:15:15.620 in order to generate

00:15:16.280 hatred for them.

00:15:17.720 And every time it happens,

00:15:19.960 somehow,

00:15:21.180 not just Taylor,

00:15:22.420 but all of her colleagues

00:15:23.340 in the media,

00:15:24.260 take her,

00:15:25.540 a woman who grew up

00:15:26.560 in extreme wealth

00:15:27.460 in Greenwich, Connecticut,

00:15:28.440 who was educated

00:15:29.020 in Swiss boarding schools,

00:15:30.180 who went to a very expensive

00:15:31.700 liberal private arts college

00:15:32.960 and now writes for,

00:15:34.460 as I said,

00:15:34.920 the front pages

00:15:35.540 of the two most powerful newspapers

00:15:36.880 and somehow demands

00:15:38.140 that we treat her

00:15:39.480 as the victim,

00:15:40.620 not the people

00:15:41.360 whose lives she's ruining,

00:15:42.920 who don't have any influence

00:15:44.080 or power

00:15:44.520 or not much compared to her.

00:15:46.180 But even if you criticize

00:15:48.400 Taylor Rens,

00:15:49.340 if you just criticize

00:15:50.380 Taylor Rens,

00:15:51.620 you get accused

00:15:52.640 of stimulating hatred

00:15:54.180 against her.

00:15:54.840 In fact,

00:15:55.160 when she was on MSNBC

00:15:56.260 sobbing,

00:15:57.300 it was about a study

00:15:58.400 that was supposedly done

00:15:59.520 that accused myself

00:16:01.260 and Tucker Carlson

00:16:02.260 of being responsible

00:16:03.280 for the hatred

00:16:04.680 and misogynistic attacks

00:16:06.320 and death threats

00:16:07.020 that she gets,

00:16:07.700 which I'm sure she does.

00:16:08.600 Most people in public life do.

00:16:09.920 Hello.

00:16:10.360 Because when we criticize her,

00:16:12.260 it stimulates that.

00:16:13.960 That's exactly right.

00:16:14.900 So let's show the audience

00:16:15.960 what we're talking about.

00:16:17.080 She goes on MSNBC.

00:16:18.940 By the way,

00:16:19.520 the host of this segment

00:16:20.720 who is sitting in

00:16:21.500 on Meet the Press Daily,

00:16:22.880 I guess there's a daily show.

00:16:24.240 I have no idea.

00:16:24.920 I never watch MSNBC,

00:16:26.300 but this girl sitting in.

00:16:28.320 Nobody does.

00:16:29.320 Yeah, nobody does.

00:16:30.040 So her name is Morgan.

00:16:31.980 What's her last name?

00:16:34.440 Okay, Radford.

00:16:35.420 So she was there

00:16:36.440 when I was there.

00:16:37.020 And literally,

00:16:37.900 what I remember is

00:16:38.540 nobody wanted

00:16:39.520 to put her on nightly

00:16:40.260 and there was a pressure

00:16:41.040 from the bosses

00:16:41.560 to put her on nightly

00:16:42.280 all the time.

00:16:43.260 And so this girl's

00:16:44.560 gotten advantages,

00:16:45.200 but she decides

00:16:46.860 to use her time subbing

00:16:47.900 for whoever hosts

00:16:48.600 Meet the Press Daily.

00:16:49.440 I don't know if it's

00:16:49.920 chucked out or not

00:16:50.500 to talk about how she's been

00:16:52.000 the victim of so much racism.

00:16:53.420 And she reads one tweet

00:16:55.300 about her that was racist.

00:16:57.340 And then the other two people

00:16:58.780 who are on the panel,

00:16:59.660 one of whom is Taylor Lorenz,

00:17:00.620 talk about their online hate

00:17:02.220 generated by attack pieces.

00:17:05.140 In your case,

00:17:05.720 I guess an attack tweet

00:17:07.300 against Taylor Tucker

00:17:09.820 ran a segment about her

00:17:11.040 calling her out

00:17:11.680 on her nonsense.

00:17:12.940 And she's playing the victim

00:17:14.620 because the online hate

00:17:16.260 that all of the segments

00:17:17.940 was very, very damaging.

00:17:19.760 Here it is.

00:17:22.300 I've had to remove

00:17:23.460 every single social tie.

00:17:25.900 I had severe PTSD from this.

00:17:28.140 I contemplated suicide.

00:17:29.620 It got really bad.

00:17:31.360 You feel like any little

00:17:32.620 piece of information

00:17:33.660 that gets out on you

00:17:35.840 will be used by the worst people

00:17:37.520 on the internet

00:17:38.120 to destroy your life.

00:17:39.820 And it's so isolating

00:17:42.020 and terrifying.

00:17:44.460 It's horrifying.

00:17:47.680 I'm so sorry.

00:17:49.600 It's overwhelming.

00:17:51.060 It's really hard.

00:17:52.980 Oh, my Lord.

00:17:55.340 So can I tell you,

00:17:56.280 then I talked about this

00:17:57.300 with a group of students yesterday

00:17:58.560 and somebody was saying

00:17:59.800 nicely to me, you know,

00:18:02.020 so you don't sound like

00:18:02.740 you feel all that

00:18:03.500 much empathy toward her

00:18:05.740 the way you're at.

00:18:06.540 I'm like, you're right.

00:18:07.220 I feel zero empathy for her.

00:18:09.200 Zero.

00:18:10.100 Because she's created

00:18:11.260 this life for herself.

00:18:13.200 She's the worst

00:18:14.160 about doing this to others.

00:18:15.520 And then when called out

00:18:17.300 on the consequences

00:18:18.080 of her choice of profession,

00:18:20.300 she's made this her work.

00:18:21.960 When called out

00:18:22.640 on the consequences

00:18:23.220 that she unleashes on others,

00:18:25.640 she wants us

00:18:26.660 to feel sorry for her.

00:18:27.980 Well, I don't.

00:18:29.200 And it's it's a pattern.

00:18:31.080 She released a tweet.

00:18:32.680 I know you've retweeted this

00:18:34.340 and I think we've got it

00:18:35.660 talking about her many

00:18:36.660 like psychological issues.

00:18:37.920 Do we have it, Debbie?

00:18:40.500 Maybe we can put it on the board,

00:18:41.660 but we don't have it.

00:18:42.540 OK, but it's in my text.

00:18:43.440 Hold on.

00:18:43.700 I'm going to pull it up for you.

00:18:45.380 Here's what she tweeted.

00:18:48.340 June of 2021.

00:18:50.220 This is definitely TMI.

00:18:51.720 And well, I will probably delete,

00:18:53.140 but I'm honestly so proud

00:18:54.280 and I want to share it.

00:18:55.440 Something people might not know

00:18:56.620 is I have very bad trichotillomania

00:19:00.420 and dermotillomania.

00:19:03.260 And this is the first time

00:19:04.200 in my life that I haven't

00:19:05.000 had an open wound on my head.

00:19:06.640 And the bottom line is

00:19:07.400 these things are

00:19:08.140 it's a hair pulling disorder

00:19:09.760 and a skin picking disorder,

00:19:12.720 which they describe

00:19:14.620 from the Mayo Clinic

00:19:15.500 as a mental illness.

00:19:16.400 These are mental illnesses

00:19:17.440 related to obsessive compulsive disorder.

00:19:19.900 All right.

00:19:20.120 So she's got issues.

00:19:21.060 And you know what

00:19:21.480 my bottom line is, Glenn?

00:19:22.920 You chose the wrong profession.

00:19:25.000 Get out of media.

00:19:26.060 It is not a nice, kind,

00:19:28.220 sweet, loving, supportive place.

00:19:30.320 And you know that

00:19:31.540 because you're helping

00:19:32.280 to create the model, Taylor.

00:19:35.740 Well, not only that, Megan,

00:19:37.800 I mean, you know,

00:19:39.780 we're both people

00:19:41.320 who have experienced

00:19:42.420 a lot worse than mean tweets.

00:19:44.580 You know, like when you did your job

00:19:46.920 as the moderator

00:19:48.180 of one of the Republican primary debates

00:19:51.560 and confronted the extremely popular

00:19:53.460 Donald Trump at the time,

00:19:54.900 still very popular,

00:19:56.100 but he was kind of

00:19:57.060 at the peak of his popularity

00:19:58.300 among Republicans

00:19:59.920 of an extremely low base.

00:20:01.320 And you confronted him

00:20:02.060 on national television,

00:20:03.080 on Fox News,

00:20:03.940 as a Fox anchor

00:20:04.900 with a very, very tough question.

00:20:08.160 And he then went on a rampage

00:20:10.260 against you

00:20:10.860 and kind of like very profane

00:20:12.480 and obscene ways

00:20:13.500 for days, you know,

00:20:15.020 generating hatred against you.

00:20:16.380 You had the entire world

00:20:18.480 crashing down on you,

00:20:19.460 you know, death threats

00:20:20.320 and like serious death threats

00:20:21.940 and like people organizing

00:20:24.480 to try and harm you.

00:20:25.860 And, you know,

00:20:26.640 I've done reporting

00:20:27.420 where I got criminally prosecuted

00:20:29.760 by the Brazilian government

00:20:30.680 and threatened

00:20:31.100 by the president of the country.

00:20:32.260 And when we did

00:20:32.740 this note in reporting,

00:20:33.520 I couldn't travel internationally

00:20:34.920 for a year

00:20:35.440 because of the threat of arrest.

00:20:37.320 Julian Assange just today

00:20:39.020 lost another legal battle

00:20:40.840 against the United States

00:20:41.960 where the UK government

00:20:43.660 ordered him extradited

00:20:44.640 to the United States

00:20:45.220 to stand trial for espionage

00:20:46.720 because of the journalism

00:20:47.540 he's done in Ukraine.

00:20:50.000 Journalists have been killed

00:20:51.180 as journalists

00:20:51.960 often are covering wars

00:20:53.200 because of their bravery

00:20:54.700 and wanting to show the world

00:20:56.020 what's happening in Ukraine.

00:20:57.220 This is actual

00:20:58.480 journalistic persecution.

00:20:59.980 But even there,

00:21:01.800 we all chose this career.

00:21:04.040 We don't have to do this work.

00:21:05.580 We could do safer work.

00:21:06.760 We could do work

00:21:07.360 that's less controversial.

00:21:09.180 And I don't think

00:21:10.540 you should have to endure

00:21:11.700 that abuse.

00:21:12.280 I don't think I should have

00:21:13.260 to endure threats

00:21:14.040 from governments for arrest

00:21:15.180 and all kinds of online hatred

00:21:16.640 as well.

00:21:17.640 You know,

00:21:17.780 I can match whatever

00:21:18.940 she's received with death threats

00:21:20.560 and everything else

00:21:21.520 that I get on a daily basis.

00:21:24.040 But I also know

00:21:25.000 it's part of the work

00:21:26.340 that we've done

00:21:27.000 that also comes with benefits.

00:21:28.520 We get to influence

00:21:29.440 public discourse.

00:21:30.960 We speak to millions of people.

00:21:33.100 It has a lot of benefits

00:21:34.400 and it has a lot of costs

00:21:35.480 like everything.

00:21:36.520 And I think you're exactly right

00:21:37.820 that if she's really

00:21:39.080 as mentally unwell

00:21:40.340 as she claims in that tweet to be,

00:21:42.080 let's think about

00:21:42.720 what she's saying.

00:21:43.300 She went 37 years

00:21:45.880 before she had one day

00:21:48.000 where she didn't have

00:21:49.800 an open wound on her skull

00:21:51.580 by virtue of tearing out

00:21:52.980 her own hair.

00:21:54.880 And I believe that

00:21:56.560 maybe it is the case

00:21:57.780 that mean tweets

00:21:59.060 send her into

00:22:00.460 like severe

00:22:01.620 mental distress

00:22:02.880 to the point of wanting

00:22:03.720 to commit suicide

00:22:04.480 or having post-traumatic

00:22:05.420 stress disorder.

00:22:06.020 It's not the job

00:22:07.340 of the rest of the world

00:22:08.700 to cater to her

00:22:10.580 difficulties

00:22:12.280 by saying

00:22:13.120 we're going to treat you differently.

00:22:14.780 We're not going to criticize you

00:22:15.780 the way we would

00:22:16.620 otherwise powerful journalists.

00:22:18.040 But this is

00:22:18.800 what they're doing, Megan,

00:22:20.500 is what this is really about

00:22:21.520 is saying

00:22:22.100 we as corporate journalists

00:22:23.560 have the power

00:22:24.160 to do anything to you.

00:22:25.160 We can destroy your lives.

00:22:26.160 We can expose you.

00:22:27.420 We can drag you

00:22:28.160 into the sunlight

00:22:28.820 and your secrets.

00:22:29.940 And you can't do anything to us,

00:22:32.080 including even criticize us,

00:22:34.000 let alone treating us

00:22:35.060 the way we treat you.

00:22:35.820 Imagine if I

00:22:36.600 knocked on the door

00:22:37.660 of Taylor Renz's parents

00:22:39.260 the way she did

00:22:40.180 the relatives of the woman

00:22:41.120 who runs that Twitter account

00:22:42.380 or went to the workplace

00:22:43.480 of her siblings

00:22:44.180 and said,

00:22:44.680 I'm here to demand dirt

00:22:45.780 on Taylor Renz.

00:22:47.300 I would probably

00:22:48.080 be accused

00:22:49.400 by the national media

00:22:50.560 of murder,

00:22:51.680 you know,

00:22:52.000 or attempted murder

00:22:52.900 if I did what she just did.

00:22:54.420 So it's this complete

00:22:55.400 double standard

00:22:56.100 that they're trying to impose.

00:22:57.860 Yes.

00:22:58.740 So I,

00:22:59.700 I mean,

00:23:00.940 I just pulled up

00:23:02.540 just for kicks.

00:23:03.120 Um,

00:23:04.740 and this,

00:23:05.180 this relates

00:23:05.740 probably more

00:23:06.840 to what Morgan,

00:23:08.140 what's her name

00:23:08.680 was saying

00:23:09.000 on that thing,

00:23:09.520 Bradford.

00:23:10.280 Okay.

00:23:11.380 You want to read

00:23:12.260 one racist tweet

00:23:13.180 about you?

00:23:13.640 Like,

00:23:13.840 do you,

00:23:14.320 do you think

00:23:14.760 that says anything

00:23:15.680 about the online community

00:23:19.220 and what most reporters

00:23:20.360 have gone through?

00:23:21.160 Right.

00:23:21.360 And like,

00:23:21.700 this is the business.

00:23:22.600 It's ugly.

00:23:23.460 There's not,

00:23:24.000 there's no changing it.

00:23:24.900 This is the left constantly

00:23:25.860 wants to word police everybody.

00:23:27.580 This is the business.

00:23:28.200 It's ugly

00:23:28.720 and it's unfortunate,

00:23:29.320 but it's the reality.

00:23:30.380 And they did whole articles

00:23:31.520 on this.

00:23:31.920 There's one that we pulled.

00:23:33.100 I don't remember

00:23:33.440 where there's Axios.

00:23:34.240 Maybe the sexist slurs

00:23:35.520 tweeted at Megan Kelly.

00:23:36.580 Here's just a few examples.

00:23:38.120 Um,

00:23:38.880 bitch,

00:23:39.180 bimbo,

00:23:39.560 whore,

00:23:39.820 blonde,

00:23:40.200 ugly,

00:23:40.540 cheap,

00:23:41.000 skank,

00:23:41.760 slut,

00:23:42.640 hooker,

00:23:43.180 C word on and on.

00:23:45.020 It goes,

00:23:45.360 okay.

00:23:45.880 All right.

00:23:46.480 It's not like you have to

00:23:48.680 have the ability

00:23:49.440 to laugh it off.

00:23:50.620 You know,

00:23:50.800 people get angry

00:23:51.760 with the Trump thing.

00:23:53.040 Yes.

00:23:53.220 In the moment,

00:23:53.720 it was more traumatic

00:23:54.560 than it is now

00:23:55.620 in retrospect,

00:23:56.080 but I threw a very

00:23:57.180 tough punch at him

00:23:58.060 and he was mad

00:23:59.100 and he threw some

00:23:59.780 tough punches back at me

00:24:01.180 and skipped a debate

00:24:01.900 that I was hosting.

00:24:03.220 Um,

00:24:03.720 I didn't leave journalism.

00:24:05.360 You know,

00:24:05.700 I didn't,

00:24:06.220 I didn't like give up.

00:24:08.760 It is a nasty industry.

00:24:10.340 There have been times.

00:24:11.320 I mean,

00:24:11.460 I'll tell you early on

00:24:12.460 in my career,

00:24:12.900 I was stalked very badly

00:24:14.320 by a crazed lunatic.

00:24:16.420 And,

00:24:16.780 uh,

00:24:16.980 it was the guy

00:24:17.760 who wound up

00:24:18.260 being incarcerated

00:24:19.140 for 10 years

00:24:20.280 for what happened.

00:24:21.340 And at the time

00:24:22.160 I was very young

00:24:22.820 and I hadn't yet

00:24:23.360 protected my online

00:24:24.880 information at all.

00:24:26.460 You know,

00:24:26.600 so I was really exposed.

00:24:27.420 I was still basically

00:24:28.240 a lawyer who had just

00:24:29.460 become a journalist.

00:24:30.440 And I talked to my therapist.

00:24:32.060 I'm like,

00:24:32.300 oh my God,

00:24:32.780 this is,

00:24:33.460 I hadn't planned on this.

00:24:34.440 This is really dangerous.

00:24:35.600 And she said,

00:24:36.320 now is the time

00:24:36.940 to sit back

00:24:37.420 and ask yourself

00:24:38.080 if this is what

00:24:38.880 you really want.

00:24:40.220 Do you really want

00:24:41.160 to be a part

00:24:41.580 of this profession?

00:24:42.240 And she wasn't saying

00:24:42.960 the answer should be no.

00:24:44.200 She was just saying

00:24:44.880 you're entering an arena

00:24:46.640 that is not

00:24:47.880 for the faint of heart.

00:24:50.180 You know,

00:24:50.440 you get things like that.

00:24:51.840 You get things like

00:24:52.860 public attacks

00:24:54.020 on social media

00:24:55.120 and otherwise.

00:24:56.180 Sadly,

00:24:56.740 like any public figure,

00:24:57.980 you get death threats

00:24:58.700 and so on.

00:24:59.200 Sometimes they're actually,

00:25:00.120 there's something behind them.

00:25:01.120 Those are the ones

00:25:01.640 that are really not okay.

00:25:03.100 But for her to,

00:25:04.960 to poke the bears

00:25:06.720 over and over and over

00:25:08.500 and then when the natural SWAT

00:25:09.920 comes back her way

00:25:11.040 to want everyone

00:25:12.220 to feel sorry for her

00:25:13.340 is part of

00:25:13.980 a pattern for her

00:25:15.560 and be a pattern

00:25:16.860 we've seen of the rich

00:25:17.760 and famous and powerful

00:25:18.680 in many corners.

00:25:20.580 You know,

00:25:20.740 you and I have talked

00:25:21.360 before about Naomi Osaka.

00:25:23.320 That's not that she's

00:25:24.140 poking bears,

00:25:24.960 but she's going out there

00:25:26.120 not wanting to play

00:25:26.780 by the same rules

00:25:27.520 as everybody else.

00:25:28.600 I don't want to do

00:25:29.180 the press conferences.

00:25:30.120 I want to grab

00:25:30.760 the microphone

00:25:31.280 in the middle

00:25:31.920 of a tennis match

00:25:32.780 to address a heckler,

00:25:34.180 which we don't allow

00:25:34.840 anybody else to do.

00:25:36.040 You're going to have

00:25:36.500 to deal with it

00:25:36.960 just like every other.

00:25:37.900 And when it doesn't

00:25:38.940 go her way,

00:25:40.120 she gets upset.

00:25:41.460 You know,

00:25:41.940 she she she thinks

00:25:43.300 she's been victimized

00:25:44.500 and she needs a whole

00:25:45.280 meditation room

00:25:46.080 and a mental health facility.

00:25:47.320 OK,

00:25:47.740 this isn't the way

00:25:48.820 it used to be

00:25:49.460 where we would look

00:25:50.240 at somebody who's

00:25:50.780 literally one of the

00:25:51.340 most powerful people

00:25:52.120 and richest people

00:25:52.980 in the world

00:25:53.880 and be asked by them

00:25:55.720 to feel sorry for them.

00:25:57.040 I think,

00:25:59.840 you know,

00:26:00.280 first of all,

00:26:01.180 you know,

00:26:01.420 I mean,

00:26:01.660 I empathize with,

00:26:02.580 you know,

00:26:03.040 everything you were saying,

00:26:04.900 you know,

00:26:05.180 when I did this note

00:26:06.040 in reporting

00:26:06.520 and we were causing

00:26:07.820 like diplomatic breaches,

00:26:08.980 we were,

00:26:09.660 you know,

00:26:09.940 going around the world

00:26:10.920 publishing the most

00:26:12.660 sensitive secrets

00:26:13.660 of the most secretive agency

00:26:15.540 within the world's

00:26:16.380 most powerful government.

00:26:18.140 We had very powerful enemies

00:26:20.420 like extremely angry at us

00:26:22.160 as we were doing it.

00:26:24.360 You know,

00:26:25.020 it turned my life upside down.

00:26:26.420 In so many ways,

00:26:27.760 it severely restricted

00:26:29.200 my freedom.

00:26:30.640 You know,

00:26:30.920 there were governments

00:26:31.560 threatening to imprison me.

00:26:34.060 My husband,

00:26:34.920 when he was traveling

00:26:35.520 back from Germany

00:26:36.400 to bring a corrupted part

00:26:37.520 of the archive

00:26:38.360 that had been fixed,

00:26:39.200 was detained

00:26:39.840 for 12 hours in London

00:26:41.120 and threatened

00:26:41.580 with prosecution

00:26:42.340 under an anti-terrorism law.

00:26:44.380 It was very,

00:26:45.260 very stressful.

00:26:46.620 When we did

00:26:47.560 the Brazil reporting

00:26:48.520 in 2019 and 2020,

00:26:51.160 that culminated

00:26:51.820 in my criminal indictment

00:26:53.540 that was ultimately dismissed

00:26:55.140 because of a Supreme Court

00:26:56.060 ruling and press freedom,

00:26:57.680 we had to spend a year

00:26:59.100 with armed guards

00:27:00.220 in our house

00:27:00.880 and our kids

00:27:02.680 taken to school

00:27:03.420 and armored vehicles

00:27:04.460 and our house

00:27:05.360 turned into a fortress.

00:27:06.700 And of course,

00:27:07.400 there are psychological

00:27:08.020 costs to that.

00:27:09.440 But when I look back

00:27:10.640 on those experiences,

00:27:11.500 I don't think to myself

00:27:13.220 I was a victim,

00:27:14.880 nor do I think

00:27:16.060 I wish I hadn't done it.

00:27:17.640 I chose to do that.

00:27:19.400 And that work

00:27:20.940 is gratifying

00:27:21.660 precisely because

00:27:22.480 you know you're doing

00:27:23.280 something controversial

00:27:24.060 that's going to generate.

00:27:25.080 That's what journalism

00:27:25.640 is supposed to be about.

00:27:26.600 You confront powerful people

00:27:27.980 and it makes them angry

00:27:29.380 because you're holding

00:27:30.420 them accountable

00:27:30.960 and they try and attack you.

00:27:32.900 And when I speak in

00:27:34.640 journalism schools

00:27:36.080 and I get asked my advice

00:27:37.300 from journalism students,

00:27:38.320 I say,

00:27:38.980 if you're somebody

00:27:39.780 who wants to be

00:27:40.320 universally beloved,

00:27:41.800 this is the wrong profession

00:27:43.000 for you.

00:27:43.500 Don't become a journalist.

00:27:44.520 So if you're somebody

00:27:46.480 who can't even handle

00:27:48.480 anonymous tweets

00:27:49.880 that are rude,

00:27:52.180 how are you going

00:27:52.780 to handle war zones

00:27:53.860 or persecution

00:27:54.880 by governments

00:27:55.640 or any of the things

00:27:57.160 that journalists

00:27:57.640 traditionally have

00:27:58.840 had to confront?

00:28:00.040 But I think

00:28:00.660 to your broader point,

00:28:02.000 what has happened

00:28:02.620 is there's this elite discourse

00:28:04.020 and people

00:28:05.840 who are in elite circles

00:28:07.360 who are rich

00:28:08.780 and powerful

00:28:09.540 and influential

00:28:10.560 want to insist

00:28:12.820 that they deserve

00:28:14.160 victimhood status

00:28:15.180 because that's

00:28:15.980 the best currency,

00:28:17.360 the most valuable currency

00:28:18.400 in liberal discourse.

00:28:20.420 And so somehow

00:28:21.160 what they do

00:28:21.820 is they say

00:28:22.600 victimhood doesn't come

00:28:24.100 from class deprivation.

00:28:25.740 Like white guys

00:28:26.860 in Ohio

00:28:27.500 who are unemployed

00:28:28.920 or who can't get

00:28:29.820 health insurance

00:28:30.500 or who are living

00:28:31.240 in communities

00:28:31.840 where people are dying

00:28:32.780 of overdoses of fentanyl,

00:28:34.340 they're not the victims.

00:28:35.240 They're the oppressors.

00:28:36.060 They're white guys.

00:28:36.960 It's not determined by class,

00:28:38.300 determined by race

00:28:38.940 or sexual orientation.

00:28:40.440 So the real victims

00:28:41.240 are us.

00:28:41.760 These extremely influential,

00:28:43.680 wealthy journalists

00:28:44.780 and politicians

00:28:45.480 by virtue of our race,

00:28:46.560 by virtue of our sexual orientation

00:28:47.900 and they've completely inverted

00:28:49.940 what actual victimhood is.

00:28:51.540 So they use their status

00:28:53.180 and their influence

00:28:54.280 to insist

00:28:55.020 that all the empathy

00:28:56.320 and sympathy

00:28:57.040 is supposed to go to them,

00:28:58.880 the people who are

00:28:59.520 the most powerful

00:29:00.220 in the society,

00:29:01.080 not the least,

00:29:01.800 like Taylor Lorenz

00:29:02.660 and who frequently

00:29:03.940 ruin the lives of people

00:29:05.220 far less powerful than them,

00:29:06.820 which I grew up

00:29:07.900 understanding to be bullying.

00:29:09.960 And yet somehow

00:29:10.580 it's the bullies

00:29:11.920 who are the ones

00:29:12.940 insisting

00:29:13.600 that they're the ones

00:29:14.520 being bullied.

00:29:15.520 And that's what's so

00:29:16.920 nauseating about it to me

00:29:18.820 is it's a complete perversion

00:29:20.320 of what journalism

00:29:21.000 is supposed to be.

00:29:22.820 And meanwhile,

00:29:23.420 your sexual orientation,

00:29:25.460 your race,

00:29:26.800 your gender identity,

00:29:28.000 that will not save you

00:29:29.380 if you are not

00:29:30.320 a woke progressive.

00:29:31.860 Ask Caitlyn Jenner.

00:29:33.260 Ask you.

00:29:34.660 Ask Thomas Sowell,

00:29:36.000 right?

00:29:36.180 Clarence Thomas.

00:29:36.820 And it doesn't matter.

00:29:38.060 Not all of the identity stuff

00:29:39.420 only works if you're woke

00:29:41.040 and you adhere

00:29:41.900 to the party line.

00:29:42.940 Then you get to play the card.

00:29:44.700 Otherwise,

00:29:45.100 no one cares.

00:29:46.200 Like Taylor Lorenz

00:29:46.800 was just on TV saying,

00:29:48.280 I'm a young woman

00:29:49.040 whose information

00:29:50.300 was put out there.

00:29:51.500 And what did she just do?

00:29:53.060 She just doxed

00:29:54.460 a young Jewish woman

00:29:55.600 who lives in Brooklyn

00:29:56.420 where conservatism

00:29:57.480 is extremely alienating

00:29:59.460 and disadvantaging.

00:30:01.180 And how come

00:30:02.720 Taylor Lorenz

00:30:03.560 got all the young women

00:30:04.600 who doxed in sympathy?

00:30:06.400 But this woman

00:30:07.700 who was behind

00:30:08.360 the TikTok account

00:30:09.760 got none

00:30:11.620 even though she's

00:30:12.340 a young Jewish woman as well.

00:30:13.820 As you say,

00:30:14.860 this victimhood game

00:30:17.200 is exploited

00:30:18.300 and only available

00:30:19.900 to people

00:30:20.360 who have the right ideology.

00:30:22.500 And now the Washington Post

00:30:24.060 appears to be lying

00:30:25.120 about what it did

00:30:27.040 because they're on the hook too.

00:30:28.280 You know,

00:30:28.400 you talk about Jeff Bezos.

00:30:29.680 It's not just Taylor Lorenz.

00:30:30.940 They had to okay this

00:30:31.960 and they did okay this.

00:30:33.900 And now,

00:30:34.860 because there is a,

00:30:35.800 you know,

00:30:36.200 shits,

00:30:36.400 storm brewing about it.

00:30:37.620 They've come out

00:30:38.080 to defend her

00:30:38.900 and they've lied.

00:30:40.260 And that's where

00:30:40.920 I'm going to pick it up

00:30:41.540 right after this break

00:30:42.560 because I want to get

00:30:43.140 into this more with Glenn.

00:30:44.460 And then we're going to talk

00:30:45.000 about the meltdowns

00:30:45.940 or the mask mandate

00:30:46.820 falling apart

00:30:47.780 on the planes.

00:30:48.660 Have you seen the,

00:30:49.380 wait until you hear

00:30:50.060 what Valerie Jarrett

00:30:51.480 has tweeted.

00:30:53.240 I can't wait

00:30:53.820 to bring this to you.

00:30:59.920 Back with you now,

00:31:00.920 Glenn Greenwald,

00:31:01.940 Pulitzer Prize winning

00:31:02.740 Substack journalist,

00:31:04.020 author,

00:31:04.440 and co-founder

00:31:04.940 of The Intercept.

00:31:07.060 So she refers to you

00:31:08.800 as an online influencer,

00:31:10.160 which I love.

00:31:10.840 Not Pulitzer Prize winning journalist.

00:31:12.800 You are an online influencer,

00:31:14.920 says real journalist,

00:31:16.820 Taylor Lorenz,

00:31:17.980 who's being defended now

00:31:19.740 by the Washington Post

00:31:20.920 with a bunch of nonsense.

00:31:23.000 It's a bunch of nonsense.

00:31:24.020 You tell me, Glenn,

00:31:24.660 because there's what they've said.

00:31:26.540 She's an accomplished

00:31:27.460 and diligent journalist

00:31:28.520 whose reporting methods

00:31:29.960 comport entirely

00:31:31.000 with the Washington Post

00:31:31.980 professional standards.

00:31:33.240 They go on to rename

00:31:34.740 the person behind

00:31:35.620 Libs of TikTok,

00:31:36.920 this woman,

00:31:37.420 and they say

00:31:37.940 that she's had

00:31:39.180 significant impact

00:31:40.080 on public discourse

00:31:40.840 and her identity

00:31:41.460 had become public knowledge

00:31:42.760 on social media.

00:31:44.540 We did not publish

00:31:45.660 or link

00:31:46.400 to any details

00:31:47.660 about her personal life.

00:31:49.200 So is that true?

00:31:50.160 So let's leave aside

00:31:51.620 the characterization

00:31:52.260 of Taylor

00:31:53.040 as a diligent

00:31:54.080 or competent

00:31:54.660 or whatever adjectives

00:31:56.200 they cynically used

00:31:57.860 reporter

00:31:58.320 because that's a question

00:31:59.540 of opinion,

00:32:00.600 I suppose.

00:32:01.200 We've already covered

00:32:01.760 why it's a very

00:32:03.140 baseless opinion,

00:32:04.440 but put that

00:32:05.300 in the opinion category.

00:32:06.220 What falls into

00:32:07.220 the lying category,

00:32:08.760 the factually false categories,

00:32:10.700 are the last two assertions,

00:32:12.760 particularly the last one,

00:32:14.260 which is that

00:32:14.960 they didn't actually reveal

00:32:16.280 any compromising information

00:32:18.740 about her

00:32:20.400 in a non-private way.

00:32:21.540 It's a complete lie.

00:32:22.960 When they published

00:32:23.740 the story,

00:32:25.500 they had a link

00:32:26.760 to a document

00:32:28.300 that was her

00:32:29.240 real estate license.

00:32:30.480 And on that

00:32:31.000 real estate license,

00:32:32.120 as soon as you click on it,

00:32:33.160 you immediately see

00:32:34.320 her address

00:32:36.100 that she provided

00:32:36.980 on that license

00:32:39.140 as well as

00:32:40.520 other information.

00:32:42.280 Subsequently,

00:32:43.240 a couple of hours later

00:32:44.300 or however much time elapsed,

00:32:45.780 they republished the article

00:32:47.280 and deleted that link

00:32:49.680 with no editor's note,

00:32:50.860 obviously,

00:32:51.360 noting they did that,

00:32:52.160 let alone explaining why.

00:32:53.680 But they exposed

00:32:54.800 that information

00:32:55.480 to the world

00:32:56.240 in the article

00:32:57.400 when it was published.

00:32:58.720 And I'm sure

00:32:59.160 it was a very widely read article

00:33:00.580 given how much controversy

00:33:01.800 generated on social media

00:33:03.660 and how heavily

00:33:04.200 it was promoted by the post.

00:33:05.520 So that sentence

00:33:06.320 is just utterly untrue.

00:33:08.440 Then the claim

00:33:09.280 that her identity

00:33:10.680 was widely known

00:33:11.760 is also utterly false.

00:33:14.140 I've known

00:33:14.960 Libs of TikTok

00:33:15.720 and have been speaking

00:33:16.580 with her

00:33:17.140 for over a year.

00:33:19.860 As the article notes,

00:33:21.180 I playfully referred

00:33:22.220 to myself

00:33:22.720 as the godfather

00:33:23.600 of the account

00:33:24.160 because I was one

00:33:24.720 of the first

00:33:25.140 with a prominent platform

00:33:26.060 to promote it

00:33:26.620 when she only had

00:33:27.140 a couple of thousand followers.

00:33:28.820 Other people then

00:33:29.440 proceeded to do so as well.

00:33:31.080 But I've talked

00:33:32.180 about her work with her.

00:33:33.460 I actually don't approve

00:33:34.740 of all of the things

00:33:35.420 she's done,

00:33:36.400 but I think it's provided

00:33:37.620 a valuable service

00:33:39.100 in general

00:33:39.660 and eliminated

00:33:40.300 the discourse.

00:33:41.760 I never knew her name.

00:33:43.040 I never asked her name.

00:33:43.820 It was clear

00:33:44.360 she was eager

00:33:45.500 to hide her identity

00:33:47.080 because she was worried

00:33:48.020 about the repercussions

00:33:48.880 on her career

00:33:49.620 if her affiliation

00:33:51.760 with this sort of politics

00:33:53.440 became known.

00:33:55.120 So it is true

00:33:56.220 that the day

00:33:57.000 before the post

00:33:57.780 published the article,

00:33:59.540 sort of online snoopers

00:34:00.880 began to find out

00:34:01.900 information about her,

00:34:02.720 but they were the ones

00:34:03.480 working in tandem

00:34:04.820 with Taylor Renz.

00:34:06.280 It wasn't like

00:34:06.940 this has been going on

00:34:07.920 for months.

00:34:08.320 It was just the day

00:34:09.100 before the post article

00:34:10.080 was published.

00:34:10.560 People started finding out

00:34:11.920 information about her

00:34:13.120 in connection with Taylor

00:34:14.220 and they were the ones

00:34:15.400 who used it.

00:34:16.200 So even this defense

00:34:17.460 by the post

00:34:18.340 and obviously

00:34:19.360 they're going to defend her,

00:34:20.220 Megan.

00:34:20.400 Why?

00:34:20.700 Because Taylor doesn't

00:34:21.880 have the ability

00:34:22.400 to publish an article

00:34:23.880 on her own.

00:34:24.380 It has to go through

00:34:25.000 multiple levels

00:34:26.280 of editorial approval.

00:34:27.880 And she announced

00:34:29.680 to many people,

00:34:30.700 including Ron DeSantis,

00:34:31.860 press secretary,

00:34:33.100 that she was going

00:34:34.960 to do this.

00:34:35.540 She was saying,

00:34:36.100 I give you an hour

00:34:37.240 to provide comment

00:34:38.380 because you've positively

00:34:39.500 interacted with this

00:34:40.920 account as though

00:34:41.480 that's a crime.

00:34:42.680 And instead of responding,

00:34:44.160 Ron DeSantis,

00:34:45.220 press secretary,

00:34:45.840 published the email.

00:34:46.940 So everyone knew

00:34:47.520 this article was coming.

00:34:48.540 It already created

00:34:49.240 a huge amount

00:34:49.840 of controversy.

00:34:50.960 Of course,

00:34:51.500 it went through

00:34:51.920 ample editorial scrutiny

00:34:53.240 at the post

00:34:53.700 because of that.

00:34:54.640 And they published

00:34:55.260 that article

00:34:55.700 with that link

00:34:56.300 to that article

00:34:56.920 that absolutely doxxed her.

00:34:59.160 And it was

00:34:59.600 their most read article

00:35:00.940 yesterday on the

00:35:02.100 Washington Post.

00:35:02.560 Of course,

00:35:03.120 of course.

00:35:03.660 So imagine how many

00:35:04.700 people now know

00:35:05.520 where this woman lives

00:35:06.740 because of what the post did.

00:35:08.380 And again,

00:35:09.160 it was Taylor Renz

00:35:10.180 two weeks ago

00:35:11.280 who went on TV

00:35:12.280 and wept about how

00:35:13.820 if information

00:35:14.540 about your life

00:35:15.220 is publicized,

00:35:16.340 the worst people

00:35:16.820 on the Internet

00:35:17.260 will use it against you.

00:35:18.380 But also,

00:35:19.020 there's a tweet from her.

00:35:19.780 I don't know if you saw it,

00:35:20.820 where as part of the controversy

00:35:22.000 from the fallout,

00:35:23.100 she said it's never

00:35:24.560 justified to doxx anybody.

00:35:27.360 And she said

00:35:27.880 two weeks ago,

00:35:29.440 and this is,

00:35:30.120 you posted this,

00:35:31.340 two weeks ago,

00:35:32.120 she wrote,

00:35:33.220 do you now see,

00:35:35.700 do you not see

00:35:36.260 how corporate journalists

00:35:37.080 have created a framework?

00:35:39.500 Wait,

00:35:39.640 hold on a second.

00:35:40.800 That's me talking.

00:35:41.560 That's you.

00:35:42.040 That's you talking.

00:35:42.700 And then you post her tweet.

00:35:44.360 I'm trying to find her tweet.

00:35:45.420 In any event,

00:35:45.960 she's been complaining

00:35:47.240 about the doxxing

00:35:48.200 whenever given the opportunity.

00:35:50.520 And she gets really upset

00:35:51.900 if you bother somebody

00:35:53.000 at their home

00:35:53.800 or she's complained

00:35:55.120 about bothering

00:35:55.660 somebody's relatives

00:35:56.580 at their home,

00:35:57.300 which is literally

00:35:58.700 what she did to this woman.

00:36:00.320 That is what she did.

00:36:01.080 She went to the home

00:36:02.060 of the relatives

00:36:03.520 of the woman

00:36:04.500 behind libs of TikTok.

00:36:06.420 And now that it's turned

00:36:07.280 into a controversy,

00:36:08.260 you have all these

00:36:10.140 corporate sort of

00:36:11.060 backers of her

00:36:12.080 defending her

00:36:12.960 saying this is

00:36:14.720 what journalism looks like.

00:36:15.860 Here's Politico

00:36:16.740 reporter Alex Thompson.

00:36:18.780 Showing up

00:36:19.220 at people's homes

00:36:20.020 is standard journalism

00:36:21.400 that more reporters

00:36:22.740 should do.

00:36:23.400 Like half of all

00:36:24.840 the president's men

00:36:25.780 is Woodstein

00:36:26.820 showing up

00:36:27.660 at people's homes.

00:36:28.660 And you,

00:36:29.540 I know,

00:36:29.840 have some thoughts

00:36:30.400 on that.

00:36:32.340 Right.

00:36:32.780 I mean,

00:36:33.380 I found that tweet

00:36:34.400 so revealing

00:36:35.200 because think about

00:36:36.260 what it's implicitly suggesting.

00:36:39.000 It's saying that

00:36:40.100 the investigation

00:36:41.440 by these young reporters

00:36:42.600 at the Washington Post

00:36:43.800 into crimes committed

00:36:46.040 by the highest

00:36:47.040 and most powerful officials

00:36:48.540 in the United States government,

00:36:50.480 ex-CIA operatives,

00:36:52.000 the director of the FBI,

00:36:53.360 the attorney general,

00:36:54.620 all of whom were indicted

00:36:55.660 and prosecuted

00:36:56.520 and ultimately

00:36:57.460 led to the resignation

00:36:59.000 of the president

00:36:59.900 of the United States,

00:37:00.800 that that kind

00:37:02.260 of an investigation

00:37:02.840 into the crimes

00:37:03.860 of the most powerful people

00:37:05.140 in society

00:37:05.800 is comparable to,

00:37:07.980 if not the equal of,

00:37:10.400 what Taylor Renz just did

00:37:11.900 in unmasking a person

00:37:13.260 who has no power

00:37:14.640 in government,

00:37:15.400 who has no power

00:37:16.660 in any institutions

00:37:18.400 of authority.

00:37:19.520 But the fact

00:37:20.440 that they're incapable

00:37:21.320 of understanding

00:37:22.740 this distinction,

00:37:24.060 that journalism

00:37:24.780 is supposed to be

00:37:25.620 about what Watergate did,

00:37:26.900 targeting powerful people

00:37:28.280 and not about targeting

00:37:29.900 obscure and relatively

00:37:32.320 powerless individuals,

00:37:33.540 to me,

00:37:34.660 illustrates the entire

00:37:35.740 pathology at play here

00:37:36.960 about how they've lost

00:37:37.920 the understanding

00:37:38.600 of what journalism

00:37:39.220 is supposed to be,

00:37:40.140 as we've discussed.

00:37:41.300 The other point

00:37:41.820 I just want to make,

00:37:42.600 Megan,

00:37:42.960 is that if someone

00:37:45.820 wanted to argue

00:37:46.600 in the abstract,

00:37:47.720 and I'm interested

00:37:48.340 in your views

00:37:48.760 on this as well,

00:37:49.820 that, look,

00:37:50.800 once somebody compiles

00:37:52.060 a big enough

00:37:52.800 social media following,

00:37:54.560 they have enough influence

00:37:55.720 on the discourse,

00:37:56.460 the person behind

00:37:58.080 Liberty TikTok

00:37:58.580 went on Tucker Carlson

00:37:59.620 twice,

00:38:00.480 though appeared by phone

00:38:01.340 to protect her identity,

00:38:02.700 was clearly having

00:38:03.400 an effect on the politics,

00:38:05.800 it's kind of fair game

00:38:06.800 or at least newsworthy

00:38:07.700 to find out

00:38:08.340 who this person is.

00:38:09.580 If somebody wants

00:38:10.560 to argue that,

00:38:11.920 I won't,

00:38:12.720 I don't agree with it,

00:38:14.060 but if it were applied

00:38:15.160 consistently to everybody,

00:38:17.520 regardless of their ideology,

00:38:19.620 which means if there's

00:38:20.440 some trans woman

00:38:21.260 who feels unsafe

00:38:22.720 having her name known

00:38:23.760 and she develops

00:38:24.700 a large following,

00:38:25.500 as many have,

00:38:26.160 advocating for trans rights

00:38:27.640 or a Black Lives Matter

00:38:28.980 activist,

00:38:29.520 someone who's African-American

00:38:30.460 who says I'll be in danger

00:38:31.520 if my identity,

00:38:32.500 if now we can go

00:38:33.420 and expose all those people

00:38:34.740 and if we can also

00:38:36.140 treat Taylor Lorenz

00:38:37.120 the way she just treated

00:38:38.080 this woman,

00:38:38.580 whatever you think of

00:38:39.300 who lives with a TikTok account,

00:38:40.820 certainly Taylor Lorenz

00:38:41.740 is much more of a public figure

00:38:43.200 than her,

00:38:44.400 so can I now go to her house

00:38:46.360 and her parents' house

00:38:47.140 and do all the things

00:38:47.660 she just did?

00:38:48.840 Of course none of that

00:38:50.220 would be permissible.

00:38:51.640 Nobody,

00:38:52.360 if you unmask

00:38:53.740 the identity

00:38:54.280 of a trans woman

00:38:55.100 who said,

00:38:56.100 like lives of TikTok,

00:38:56.880 that her anonymity

00:38:57.880 is important

00:38:58.340 to protect her safety,

00:38:59.820 you would probably

00:39:00.460 be arrested,

00:39:02.120 you know,

00:39:02.480 or certainly vilified

00:39:03.900 by the same people

00:39:04.760 defending Taylor Lorenz.

00:39:06.000 So there's no

00:39:06.720 journalistic principle

00:39:07.780 at play here.

00:39:08.940 It's purely

00:39:09.720 a political operation

00:39:11.060 designed to punish

00:39:12.060 conservative dissidents

00:39:13.240 under the guise

00:39:14.540 of journalism.

00:39:15.160 And listen,

00:39:16.960 I can speak

00:39:17.540 to this firsthand.

00:39:18.700 The left doesn't

00:39:19.600 give two shits

00:39:21.200 about online hate

00:39:22.860 coming your way,

00:39:24.060 even if you're a member

00:39:25.200 of a protected class

00:39:26.200 like you're a woman,

00:39:27.520 if they don't like you.

00:39:29.920 Okay?

00:39:30.720 They liked me

00:39:32.380 when I asked Trump

00:39:33.520 a tough question

00:39:34.300 and the online hate

00:39:35.740 to me was coming

00:39:36.380 from the right wing.

00:39:37.580 But as soon as

00:39:38.480 I went over to NBC

00:39:39.580 and I said something

00:39:40.820 about blackface,

00:39:41.800 which happened to be true,

00:39:43.760 which was for years,

00:39:45.020 people didn't make

00:39:45.780 a big deal out of it

00:39:46.700 and the online hate

00:39:47.880 started to come at me,

00:39:48.840 nobody said,

00:39:49.480 oh my God,

00:39:49.880 this is really nasty.

00:39:50.940 This is online harassment.

00:39:52.160 What are we doing

00:39:52.680 to poor Megan's mental health?

00:39:54.300 It was kill,

00:39:56.100 kill, kill, kill, kill, kill,

00:39:58.220 publicly humiliate.

00:39:59.320 They didn't care, right?

00:40:00.560 Because she doesn't

00:40:01.760 share our politics

00:40:02.620 and they got that.

00:40:04.100 And as soon as they realized

00:40:04.820 that I wasn't a Trump hater,

00:40:06.200 that's sort of when

00:40:06.760 their break with me began.

00:40:09.700 So these are just

00:40:10.240 a bunch of hypocrites.

00:40:11.520 And by the way,

00:40:12.120 the DeSantis piece of it

00:40:13.320 is important.

00:40:14.140 There's a reason

00:40:14.820 she tried to go figure out

00:40:16.280 why DeSantis' press secretary

00:40:17.740 was liking so many

00:40:19.260 of the tweets

00:40:19.780 by libs of TikTok.

00:40:21.040 She wanted to tie him into it.

00:40:22.940 That's probably how

00:40:23.660 it got approved

00:40:24.400 at the Washington Post, right?

00:40:26.000 Like, look at her influence.

00:40:27.260 Look at the people

00:40:27.840 who are interested

00:40:29.000 in what she's sending out there.

00:40:30.560 That's all part of the game.

00:40:32.580 Without,

00:40:33.160 I heard the guys on Ruthless,

00:40:34.140 which is a fun podcast,

00:40:35.400 talking about this,

00:40:36.240 saying,

00:40:36.700 without spending any time,

00:40:37.860 Glenn,

00:40:38.540 trying to consider

00:40:39.600 why libs of TikTok

00:40:41.620 has gotten so popular.

00:40:42.700 What is she actually

00:40:44.000 posting about

00:40:44.780 that has gotten,

00:40:46.200 that's caught fire,

00:40:47.400 you know,

00:40:47.560 that's made all these

00:40:48.200 conservatives retweeted

00:40:49.900 or have Laura Ingram

00:40:50.660 mention it on her show

00:40:51.580 and so on.

00:40:52.560 It's,

00:40:53.160 she's really trying

00:40:53.920 to call out teachers

00:40:55.320 for the most part

00:40:56.240 and a lot of left-wingers

00:40:57.380 who have access

00:40:58.080 to education and students

00:40:59.720 with their far-left ideologies.

00:41:02.560 This is one

00:41:03.520 she just posted.

00:41:05.800 Normally,

00:41:06.340 she just reposts

00:41:07.340 stuff she found

00:41:08.120 on TikTok,

00:41:08.880 so it's,

00:41:09.440 she's not outing anybody

00:41:10.340 who didn't want

00:41:10.820 to be out.

00:41:11.240 They've made it publicly.

00:41:12.760 Sometimes she gets news

00:41:13.900 like somebody leaks

00:41:15.100 something to her

00:41:15.840 in the way that

00:41:16.440 Chris Rufo gets.

00:41:17.940 And this is one of those.

00:41:19.380 It's a Boston

00:41:20.020 first grade teacher

00:41:22.400 speaking to

00:41:24.640 K through

00:41:26.160 second grades.

00:41:27.840 He's taught,

00:41:28.180 it's a Zoom call

00:41:28.640 with K through two

00:41:29.680 grades where he's speaking

00:41:31.280 about being trans.

00:41:32.740 Watch.

00:41:33.000 Something that's

00:41:35.580 really cool

00:41:36.280 and unique

00:41:36.740 about who I am

00:41:37.720 is that I am

00:41:38.680 transgender.

00:41:39.920 So,

00:41:40.520 we touched a little bit

00:41:41.520 about that

00:41:42.160 at the beginning

00:41:43.000 of this week

00:41:43.740 in the book

00:41:44.420 that Miss Hammond read,

00:41:45.500 but I'm going to give you

00:41:46.540 my explanation

00:41:47.500 about what it means

00:41:48.560 to be transgender

00:41:49.280 as well.

00:41:50.420 So,

00:41:50.700 when babies are born,

00:41:51.820 the doctor looks at them

00:41:52.920 and they make a guess

00:41:53.960 about whether

00:41:54.720 the baby is a boy

00:41:56.100 or a girl

00:41:56.780 based on what

00:41:57.540 they look like.

00:41:58.540 And most of the time

00:41:59.440 that guess is

00:42:00.180 100% correct,

00:42:01.400 there are no issues

00:42:02.240 whatsoever.

00:42:04.220 But sometimes

00:42:05.280 the doctor is wrong.

00:42:08.300 Okay.

00:42:08.860 This is the same

00:42:09.540 group of people

00:42:10.140 on the left

00:42:10.660 that the press

00:42:11.220 is telling us

00:42:11.880 that stuff like

00:42:12.740 that's not happening.

00:42:13.960 The quote,

00:42:14.580 don't say gay bill

00:42:15.640 in Florida

00:42:16.120 is all about bigotry,

00:42:17.820 that that kind

00:42:18.640 of conversation

00:42:19.320 either isn't happening

00:42:20.320 in the kindergarten

00:42:20.900 classes or is fine

00:42:22.840 and that the right

00:42:24.060 wing's overplaying it.

00:42:25.380 And it's thanks

00:42:26.020 to people like

00:42:26.580 Libs of TikTok

00:42:27.180 that we can see

00:42:27.840 for ourself

00:42:28.560 what's actually

00:42:29.720 happening.

00:42:30.240 I think

00:42:32.380 this is the key.

00:42:33.300 You know,

00:42:33.900 like I said before,

00:42:34.680 there's some things

00:42:35.600 that she has done

00:42:36.520 that I'm not

00:42:37.220 entirely comfortable

00:42:38.020 with.

00:42:38.820 Sometimes she will

00:42:39.840 try in when she

00:42:41.020 publishes a video

00:42:41.860 that she finds

00:42:42.860 highly objectionable.

00:42:43.860 She finds out

00:42:44.360 where they work.

00:42:45.020 She encourages

00:42:45.520 people to call

00:42:46.440 the school board

00:42:47.640 to demand their

00:42:48.300 firing.

00:42:49.240 She kind of

00:42:50.240 instigates a form

00:42:51.280 of Bob Justice

00:42:52.020 against the person

00:42:52.900 that I'm not,

00:42:53.580 but that's

00:42:55.060 completely separate.

00:42:56.100 I don't have to

00:42:56.500 approve everything

00:42:57.060 she does to

00:42:58.200 respect the

00:42:58.980 ability and the

00:42:59.880 right she has

00:43:00.720 to use anonymity

00:43:02.580 like millions

00:43:03.040 of Americans

00:43:03.560 do to participate

00:43:04.240 in social media

00:43:05.340 and political

00:43:05.780 debate.

00:43:06.560 The issue,

00:43:07.200 though,

00:43:07.320 is 90%

00:43:09.380 at least of

00:43:10.120 what she does

00:43:10.760 is she takes

00:43:12.060 videos that

00:43:12.700 people have

00:43:13.140 published purposely

00:43:14.260 and put into

00:43:15.000 the political

00:43:15.340 domain.

00:43:16.120 These aren't,

00:43:16.820 you know,

00:43:17.140 videos intended

00:43:17.860 to be for a

00:43:19.160 private audience

00:43:19.880 that are locked

00:43:20.480 and she's hacking

00:43:21.120 into them or

00:43:21.820 manipulating her way

00:43:22.640 into them.

00:43:23.320 They're intended

00:43:23.920 to be public.

00:43:24.600 And she takes

00:43:25.980 those videos

00:43:26.520 and curates

00:43:27.400 them and a

00:43:28.540 lot of them

00:43:29.240 are teachers

00:43:30.580 of young

00:43:31.240 children boasting

00:43:32.580 about how they

00:43:34.160 ignore the law

00:43:35.280 and will ignore

00:43:36.000 the law and

00:43:37.060 don't think

00:43:37.460 parents have any

00:43:38.120 right to have

00:43:39.140 to tell them

00:43:39.780 what they can

00:43:40.280 and can't

00:43:40.880 teach their

00:43:41.460 kids.

00:43:42.300 They're people

00:43:42.980 who boast

00:43:43.680 that they

00:43:44.560 teach their

00:43:45.140 kids things

00:43:45.800 just like we

00:43:46.400 saw in that

00:43:46.760 video that many

00:43:47.620 parents would

00:43:48.280 object to.

00:43:49.620 So there is

00:43:50.540 an ongoing

00:43:50.940 debate now about

00:43:52.020 the role of

00:43:52.660 parents and

00:43:53.320 their right to

00:43:53.940 have a

00:43:54.260 especially their

00:43:54.880 young kids.

00:43:56.540 You know like

00:43:56.840 maybe you could

00:43:57.340 obviously in

00:43:57.920 college I think

00:43:58.700 anything goes

00:43:59.520 in high school

00:44:00.420 there's a lot

00:44:01.200 more maturity

00:44:01.740 to talk about

00:44:02.500 political and

00:44:03.120 social issues

00:44:03.660 but I know as

00:44:04.420 a parent that

00:44:05.440 when I send

00:44:05.860 my kids to

00:44:06.420 school I'm

00:44:07.420 sending them

00:44:07.880 there because I

00:44:08.540 want them to

00:44:08.980 learn math and

00:44:09.600 science,

00:44:10.660 Portuguese and

00:44:11.200 English,

00:44:12.160 you know biology

00:44:12.840 and chemistry.

00:44:13.780 I don't want

00:44:14.100 them being

00:44:14.460 indoctrinated with

00:44:16.060 the social and

00:44:17.140 political that are

00:44:18.100 controversial by the

00:44:19.500 that's my job

00:44:20.360 do that.

00:44:20.800 I don't want

00:44:21.100 them being you

00:44:21.800 know when they're

00:44:22.560 16 or 18 and

00:44:24.020 engaged in

00:44:25.040 social studies

00:44:26.380 debate and so

00:44:27.240 seeing what is

00:44:28.320 going on in

00:44:28.940 classrooms and

00:44:30.000 these people

00:44:30.380 oftentimes are

00:44:30.880 saying we keep

00:44:32.200 this from the

00:44:32.660 parents we don't

00:44:33.200 care if the

00:44:33.640 parents want it we

00:44:34.320 do it anyway of

00:44:35.660 course that's

00:44:36.280 valuable to see of

00:44:37.260 course that's

00:44:37.860 valuable to know

00:44:38.540 and the reason why

00:44:39.580 she's provoked so

00:44:40.940 much ire is

00:44:42.240 because she is

00:44:43.640 showing the

00:44:44.180 underbelly of

00:44:45.420 liberal left

00:44:45.940 culture that is

00:44:47.360 influencing what

00:44:48.640 is happening in

00:44:49.320 schools and you

00:44:51.020 know it'd be one

00:44:52.000 thing if she

00:44:52.420 were doctoring

00:44:53.080 videos it'd be

00:44:53.980 another if she

00:44:54.720 were doxing

00:44:55.320 people you know

00:44:56.580 pride taking

00:44:57.340 private videos and

00:44:58.080 making them public

00:44:58.780 against their will

00:44:59.640 she's not doing

00:45:00.560 any of that she

00:45:01.240 doesn't do to

00:45:01.920 people what

00:45:02.360 Tara Lorenz did

00:45:03.100 to her and it

00:45:04.700 has provided a

00:45:05.720 valuable service and

00:45:06.560 that's why there's so

00:45:07.320 much anger against

00:45:08.120 her that's exactly

00:45:09.460 it that they want

00:45:11.540 her shut down it

00:45:13.420 was foreseeable what

00:45:14.600 would happen to this

00:45:15.320 woman who's now had

00:45:16.020 to go into hiding

00:45:16.840 thankfully she's

00:45:18.660 just been hired by

00:45:19.800 the Babylon Bee

00:45:21.080 which is you know

00:45:22.140 it knows and by

00:45:22.940 the way you point

00:45:23.600 out she goes on

00:45:24.060 Tucker so she went

00:45:25.020 on to talk about

00:45:25.720 the fact that her

00:45:26.500 account had been

00:45:28.300 shut down temporarily

00:45:29.660 by Twitter right

00:45:31.060 because she had

00:45:31.660 broken the rules

00:45:32.260 like she's in it

00:45:33.640 she's trying to

00:45:34.300 fight this battle

00:45:34.960 and she's not yet

00:45:35.700 ready to come out

00:45:36.440 with her real

00:45:36.920 identity because she

00:45:37.720 knows exactly what's

00:45:38.440 going to happen to

00:45:39.060 her as does Taylor

00:45:40.860 Lorenz as did the

00:45:42.400 Washington Post

00:45:43.300 they didn't care

00:45:44.280 Glenn can you

00:45:46.120 stay over for just

00:45:47.000 a little bit

00:45:47.440 because we didn't

00:45:47.860 get to mask mandate

00:45:48.620 being lifted on the

00:45:49.400 TSA and I need

00:45:50.560 your opinion on that

00:45:51.460 can you stay

00:45:51.940 absolutely I'm happy

00:45:52.900 to do that okay

00:45:53.720 we're gonna squeeze

00:45:54.240 in a quick break

00:45:54.800 we'll come back

00:45:55.640 with Glenn Greenwald

00:45:56.700 and the left

00:45:57.280 melting down over

00:45:59.240 a court order

00:46:00.000 including attacks on

00:46:01.160 the judge and so on

00:46:02.200 because they don't

00:46:03.120 like the fact that

00:46:03.880 she said the TSA

00:46:05.140 mandate when on

00:46:06.340 masks cannot be

00:46:08.140 sustained stand by

00:46:09.240 for more on that

00:46:09.800 so the mask

00:46:13.860 mandate has fallen

00:46:14.700 apart in the last

00:46:15.640 one of the last few

00:46:16.480 places it was still

00:46:17.900 being imposed which

00:46:18.700 is public transportation

00:46:19.620 per the TSA

00:46:20.600 flights now Amtrak

00:46:23.740 that kind of thing

00:46:24.400 and it's thanks to a

00:46:26.300 judge who has ruled

00:46:27.060 it unconstitutional a

00:46:28.240 federal district court

00:46:28.960 judge for the middle

00:46:29.680 district of Florida

00:46:30.460 her name is Catherine

00:46:31.740 Kimball Mazzell

00:46:32.680 she's 35 years old

00:46:33.900 she was a Trump

00:46:34.400 appointee she had

00:46:35.500 clerked for Justice

00:46:36.300 Thomas on the U.S.

00:46:37.780 Supreme Court

00:46:38.280 she's among the

00:46:39.640 youngest federal

00:46:40.240 judges ever confirmed

00:46:41.320 not the youngest

00:46:42.260 and now the left

00:46:45.040 is in full meltdown

00:46:46.140 she's getting attacked

00:46:47.140 as totally unqualified

00:46:48.280 she actually spent

00:46:49.220 some time working

00:46:49.800 at my former firm

00:46:50.540 Jones Day

00:46:51.120 and she did a lot

00:46:51.960 of clerking for a lot

00:46:52.720 of very well-respected

00:46:53.640 federal judges

00:46:54.240 so she's obviously

00:46:54.920 very smart

00:46:55.540 but she didn't have

00:46:56.480 a lot of time

00:46:57.200 actually practicing

00:46:58.440 law under her belt

00:46:59.540 but she did have

00:47:00.780 a lot of time

00:47:01.880 sort of being a

00:47:02.600 judge in training

00:47:03.200 I mean it's kind

00:47:03.720 of what you are

00:47:04.140 when you're a

00:47:04.520 judicial clerk

00:47:05.040 who do you think

00:47:05.500 writes the initial

00:47:06.140 drafts of the

00:47:06.720 Supreme Court

00:47:07.060 opinions

00:47:07.420 newsflash

00:47:09.460 it's not Justice

00:47:10.360 Thomas

00:47:10.680 he's not sitting

00:47:12.220 there with his

00:47:12.660 little pen

00:47:13.200 or in the back

00:47:14.360 room with his

00:47:14.780 laptop

00:47:15.120 that's why he has

00:47:15.820 these brilliant

00:47:16.200 clerks

00:47:16.620 anyway

00:47:17.580 she's taking a

00:47:18.820 bunch of guff

00:47:19.300 but she can

00:47:19.720 handle it

00:47:20.100 and instead

00:47:20.900 of just saying

00:47:21.640 thank God

00:47:22.420 like they saved

00:47:24.200 us from this

00:47:25.220 political albatross

00:47:26.360 that was around

00:47:27.120 our neck

00:47:27.540 the Biden

00:47:27.940 administration

00:47:28.520 you know

00:47:28.980 because Biden's

00:47:29.760 initial instinct

00:47:30.340 was to say

00:47:30.980 okay it'll be up

00:47:32.200 to individual

00:47:32.580 people now to

00:47:33.180 decide what

00:47:33.520 they want to

00:47:33.820 do

00:47:33.960 he said

00:47:34.240 it's up

00:47:34.460 to them

00:47:34.800 about whether

00:47:35.700 people should

00:47:36.140 continue wearing

00:47:36.660 masks

00:47:37.000 now today

00:47:38.100 under pressure

00:47:38.680 from the left

00:47:39.200 the DOJ

00:47:39.820 issues a statement

00:47:40.660 saying

00:47:41.140 if the CDC

00:47:42.720 concludes

00:47:43.480 that a mandatory

00:47:44.580 order remains

00:47:45.520 necessary for the

00:47:46.400 public's health

00:47:46.980 after its

00:47:48.440 assessment

00:47:48.820 the DOJ

00:47:49.740 will appeal

00:47:50.320 that district

00:47:51.040 court decision

00:47:51.640 so they're

00:47:51.960 basically trying

00:47:52.440 to punt to

00:47:52.880 the CDC

00:47:53.360 because nobody

00:47:54.140 wants this

00:47:54.700 on them

00:47:55.480 they're going

00:47:56.140 to try to

00:47:56.480 throw Rochelle

00:47:57.360 Walensky

00:47:58.020 and her likely

00:47:58.800 committee

00:47:59.340 under the bus

00:48:00.640 what do you

00:48:01.080 make of it

00:48:01.520 yeah well

00:48:02.140 first of all

00:48:02.860 there was a lot

00:48:03.860 of deceit

00:48:04.500 deliberate deceit

00:48:05.600 taking place

00:48:06.320 and how

00:48:06.740 journalists who

00:48:07.580 know better

00:48:08.020 who cover

00:48:08.520 the courts

00:48:09.740 and the law

00:48:10.640 were presenting

00:48:11.920 this to the

00:48:12.440 public

00:48:12.740 they were trying

00:48:13.480 to act

00:48:14.100 as though

00:48:14.780 this you

00:48:16.180 know kind

00:48:16.600 of rogue

00:48:18.080 Trump judge

00:48:19.160 and they

00:48:20.340 mocked her

00:48:21.120 young age

00:48:22.380 which I didn't

00:48:22.900 think you were

00:48:23.280 allowed to do

00:48:24.040 like talk about

00:48:24.760 a young woman

00:48:25.320 as being inherently

00:48:26.200 unqualified

00:48:26.940 for jobs

00:48:27.760 in other contexts

00:48:28.940 that would probably

00:48:29.440 not go over

00:48:29.980 quite as well

00:48:30.560 they were clearly

00:48:31.380 using that

00:48:31.980 to say

00:48:32.640 look she's

00:48:33.520 so arrogant

00:48:34.080 that she

00:48:35.500 decided

00:48:36.260 for herself

00:48:37.320 that she

00:48:37.840 knows more

00:48:38.520 than the actual

00:48:39.200 doctors and

00:48:39.880 scientists

00:48:40.320 about whether

00:48:41.420 masks are

00:48:42.100 necessary

00:48:42.540 so the CDC

00:48:43.380 said they were

00:48:44.240 and this one

00:48:45.280 kind of

00:48:46.120 Trump person

00:48:47.380 in the middle

00:48:48.260 of Florida

00:48:48.860 you know all

00:48:49.720 kinds of tropes

00:48:50.460 about who's

00:48:51.020 important and

00:48:51.580 who's not

00:48:52.120 gets to override

00:48:53.560 and replace

00:48:54.260 her judgment

00:48:55.180 for theirs

00:48:55.840 now that's

00:48:56.740 not even

00:48:57.240 remotely what

00:48:58.000 happened

00:48:58.440 the question

00:48:59.960 before the

00:49:00.520 court is

00:49:01.260 one that

00:49:01.680 is always

00:49:02.320 before courts

00:49:03.140 which is

00:49:03.500 not was

00:49:04.640 the CDC

00:49:05.200 rule a good

00:49:06.360 idea from a

00:49:07.300 policy perspective

00:49:08.220 are masks

00:49:08.980 actually necessary

00:49:10.680 or not

00:49:11.220 she had no

00:49:11.780 opinion on

00:49:12.340 that

00:49:12.680 it was

00:49:13.740 did the CDC

00:49:14.760 under the laws

00:49:15.960 in the constitution

00:49:16.680 of our country

00:49:17.620 have the authority

00:49:18.960 to issue this

00:49:20.080 rule and did

00:49:21.300 they follow

00:49:21.980 the necessary

00:49:22.800 regulatory guidelines

00:49:24.000 that are important

00:49:24.720 to give the

00:49:25.560 public and experts

00:49:26.420 time to comment

00:49:27.460 and act against

00:49:28.460 it did they

00:49:29.500 follow those

00:49:30.020 rules and

00:49:30.420 issuing those

00:49:31.000 guidelines

00:49:31.460 and from a

00:49:32.460 very legalistic

00:49:33.940 perspective

00:49:34.520 from a very

00:49:35.180 confined

00:49:36.000 judicial

00:49:37.280 context

00:49:38.780 in a very

00:49:39.960 careful and

00:49:40.620 meticulous way

00:49:41.580 she reviewed

00:49:42.540 the precedent

00:49:43.160 and remember

00:49:44.960 at the time

00:49:45.660 that the

00:49:45.920 Biden

00:49:46.100 administration

00:49:46.520 announced

00:49:47.040 this mask

00:49:47.560 mandate

00:49:47.980 there was a

00:49:48.780 lot of

00:49:49.080 questions

00:49:49.540 even from

00:49:50.220 liberal

00:49:50.620 scholars

00:49:51.740 about whether

00:49:52.760 the federal

00:49:53.540 government

00:49:53.920 actually had

00:49:54.580 this authority

00:49:55.480 under OSHA

00:49:56.280 if the CDC

00:49:57.220 could do it

00:49:57.960 or whether

00:49:58.520 you just

00:49:58.860 needed a

00:49:59.260 congressional

00:49:59.700 act

00:50:00.020 you know

00:50:00.360 Congress

00:50:00.800 could have

00:50:01.100 easily imposed

00:50:01.760 a mask

00:50:02.060 mandate

00:50:02.360 Democrats

00:50:02.760 control both

00:50:03.360 houses of

00:50:03.760 Congress

00:50:04.120 but they

00:50:04.840 didn't

00:50:05.180 when there

00:50:05.440 was a vote

00:50:05.800 in the Senate

00:50:06.260 about whether

00:50:07.060 to repeal

00:50:07.540 this

00:50:07.780 it was 57

00:50:08.700 votes

00:50:09.220 again in

00:50:10.060 favor of

00:50:10.480 repealing it

00:50:11.020 40 against

00:50:12.400 including lots

00:50:13.500 of Democrats

00:50:13.960 who voted

00:50:14.940 in favor of

00:50:15.740 repealing it

00:50:16.320 so she

00:50:16.960 simply said

00:50:17.840 the CDC

00:50:18.800 did not have

00:50:19.600 this power

00:50:20.060 they have a

00:50:20.480 very limited

00:50:21.040 scope

00:50:21.540 they invoked

00:50:22.980 a theory

00:50:23.500 that is well

00:50:24.280 beyond the

00:50:24.800 kin of their

00:50:25.260 authority to

00:50:25.900 impose this

00:50:26.440 mask mandate

00:50:27.080 she also said

00:50:28.340 they didn't

00:50:28.760 follow the

00:50:29.180 rules because

00:50:29.760 they didn't

00:50:30.100 give enough

00:50:30.460 time for the

00:50:31.100 public to

00:50:31.500 comment and

00:50:32.400 that legally

00:50:33.080 it was

00:50:33.920 invalid

00:50:34.380 now you know

00:50:35.500 Megan this

00:50:36.120 happens every

00:50:37.000 day this is

00:50:37.460 what courts

00:50:38.200 are for

00:50:38.660 when there's a

00:50:39.620 question about

00:50:40.140 whether a law

00:50:40.940 or a regulation

00:50:42.560 is constitutionally

00:50:44.260 legally valid

00:50:44.840 it doesn't go to

00:50:45.800 the Supreme

00:50:46.200 Court it

00:50:47.220 doesn't go

00:50:47.700 before like

00:50:48.460 a you know

00:50:49.500 a panel of

00:50:50.660 12 appellate

00:50:51.500 judges it goes

00:50:52.080 to a single

00:50:52.700 federal judge in

00:50:53.560 the first

00:50:53.920 instance who

00:50:54.460 has the

00:50:54.780 authority to

00:50:56.060 rule that

00:50:57.040 it's either

00:50:57.420 legally valid

00:50:58.040 or not

00:50:58.400 and she

00:50:58.860 in a very

00:50:59.440 careful and

00:51:00.280 respectable way

00:51:01.000 even if you

00:51:01.320 don't agree

00:51:01.600 with the

00:51:01.820 conclusion

00:51:02.200 confined her

00:51:03.440 analysis to

00:51:04.060 the legal

00:51:04.380 question but

00:51:05.240 reporters pretended

00:51:06.600 that this was a

00:51:07.880 Trump judge who

00:51:08.820 hated masks

00:51:09.820 who was overruling

00:51:11.260 the CDC so there

00:51:12.140 was lots of

00:51:12.700 deceit involved

00:51:13.480 from the question

00:51:14.600 of the pragmatics

00:51:15.820 you know I just

00:51:16.580 traveled from

00:51:17.120 Brazil to the

00:51:18.100 US a week ago

00:51:19.240 and it was the

00:51:19.780 most bizarre

00:51:20.380 experience nowhere

00:51:21.640 in Brazil do

00:51:22.280 people wear masks

00:51:23.000 nowhere is it

00:51:23.600 obligatory you get

00:51:25.020 to the airport

00:51:25.480 you don't have

00:51:25.840 to wear masks

00:51:26.220 you go through

00:51:26.580 security with no

00:51:27.320 mask you sit in

00:51:27.900 the terminal with

00:51:28.480 no mask suddenly

00:51:29.220 you get on the

00:51:29.720 plane and you're

00:51:30.720 told you have to

00:51:31.460 wear a mask at

00:51:32.180 all times you wear

00:51:33.420 it for the 10

00:51:33.940 hour flight you get

00:51:34.720 off and again

00:51:35.460 nobody wears masks

00:51:36.380 anywhere

00:51:36.840 being recirculated

00:51:39.080 it's cleanest on

00:51:39.880 the airplane

00:51:40.320 exactly that's where

00:51:41.760 the least a threat

00:51:43.560 is for transmission

00:51:44.440 and you know I was

00:51:46.060 really you know you

00:51:46.900 know packed in you

00:51:47.860 are with people in

00:51:48.740 the line for security

00:51:49.660 they were you know

00:51:50.880 tons of people in my

00:51:52.180 immediate vicinity none

00:51:53.200 of them were wearing

00:51:53.780 masks and you're

00:51:55.280 exactly right the

00:51:55.960 airplane filtration

00:51:56.680 system is designed

00:51:57.760 to to retard the

00:51:59.200 spread of of

00:51:59.960 transmission in a

00:52:01.260 way that most

00:52:01.720 places aren't so it

00:52:02.360 makes no sense

00:52:03.240 pragmatically but

00:52:05.000 that isn't even what

00:52:05.920 she decided but as

00:52:07.320 you say these mask

00:52:08.780 mandates are so

00:52:09.480 unpopular that the

00:52:11.160 Biden administration

00:52:11.780 can't say we're not

00:52:13.140 appealing it because

00:52:14.080 the left won't accept

00:52:15.000 that but they also

00:52:16.020 don't really want to

00:52:16.740 appeal it so they're

00:52:17.460 trying to pass off

00:52:18.640 they also don't want

00:52:19.380 to be politically

00:52:19.920 responsible in midterms

00:52:21.260 for forcing people

00:52:22.360 into masks on long

00:52:23.240 plane fights when

00:52:24.480 it's so unpopular so

00:52:25.480 as you say they're

00:52:26.120 trying to evade

00:52:26.840 political responsibility

00:52:27.940 instead of just

00:52:29.040 saying we lost on the

00:52:30.340 merits legally yes

00:52:31.760 they're like everyone

00:52:32.640 hates Rochelle

00:52:33.340 Walensky let's just

00:52:34.240 keep her under the

00:52:34.920 bus it's fine she's

00:52:35.740 already under there she

00:52:36.500 can stay right and

00:52:38.200 they're not not wrong

00:52:39.480 she's had her 15

00:52:40.840 minutes I don't hate

00:52:41.540 is too strong but I'm

00:52:42.620 done with for sure

00:52:43.620 here's an example

00:52:44.900 Mark Joseph Stern

00:52:45.840 writer for slate

00:52:46.800 try explaining to

00:52:49.020 your friends and

00:52:49.540 other liberal

00:52:49.980 democracies that a

00:52:50.880 single unelected

00:52:52.020 life tenured 35

00:52:53.340 year old judge just

00:52:54.320 abolished the air

00:52:55.540 travel mask mandate

00:52:56.420 for the entire

00:52:57.400 country no pure

00:52:58.680 nation would tolerate

00:52:59.480 such a power drunk

00:53:00.400 juristocracy goes on

00:53:02.100 to say Catherine

00:53:02.800 Kimball Mazzell had

00:53:04.080 never tried a case

00:53:04.780 civil or criminal or

00:53:05.980 led or as lead or

00:53:08.600 co-counsel since her

00:53:09.520 admission to the bar

00:53:10.340 she spent 10 months

00:53:11.380 at a firm and three

00:53:12.040 years in government

00:53:12.540 practice the ABA

00:53:13.740 rated her not

00:53:14.420 qualified that's because

00:53:15.500 she had not she had

00:53:16.400 not been actually

00:53:18.160 practicing law for a

00:53:19.220 long time and of

00:53:20.400 course they understood

00:53:21.100 her politics too to

00:53:22.080 pretend that the ABA is

00:53:23.200 is a totally objective

00:53:24.420 organization would be a

00:53:25.840 lie now you get you get

00:53:28.660 this piece in the let

00:53:30.380 me see hold on a second

00:53:31.060 I just pulled it yes

00:53:32.120 oh Robin Given of the

00:53:34.600 Washington Post not the

00:53:35.580 Robin Given who was

00:53:36.280 once married to Mike

00:53:37.580 Tyson um Robin Given

00:53:39.760 writes that the headline

00:53:41.040 is whoops of selfish

00:53:43.240 delight you've seen all

00:53:45.000 these videos of the

00:53:45.780 flight attendants and

00:53:46.540 the pilots and the

00:53:47.340 air passengers just

00:53:48.520 delighted in taking off

00:53:49.800 their masks I 100%

00:53:51.360 would have been one of

00:53:51.960 them and she writes

00:53:53.140 about how this is a

00:53:54.880 reflection on just how

00:53:55.940 childish and selfish so

00:53:58.260 much of the country has

00:53:59.180 been in dealing with

00:54:00.920 COVID and the mask

00:54:01.940 mandate that the

00:54:02.880 cheers surely must sound

00:54:04.880 insensitive to those who

00:54:06.960 are still feeling trapped

00:54:08.680 because of poor health

00:54:10.220 work circumstances or the

00:54:11.900 risk faced from those by

00:54:14.260 those who have an inner

00:54:15.280 circle who are

00:54:16.100 immunocompromised and

00:54:18.200 she's absolutely

00:54:19.260 disgusted at the

00:54:20.640 insensitivity people are

00:54:22.980 showing at taking off this

00:54:25.040 garment which has been

00:54:26.320 doing absolutely nothing on

00:54:28.920 board these airplanes I

00:54:30.420 mean half the time you

00:54:32.000 don't have it on my last

00:54:33.020 flight Glenn my friend my

00:54:34.020 pal gave me a mask it was

00:54:36.360 awesome it's mesh it looks

00:54:37.800 like underwear it looks like

00:54:38.860 ladies saucy underwear and I

00:54:40.220 basically had ladies

00:54:40.940 underwear on my face and

00:54:42.300 it's totally mesh it's just

00:54:43.980 like a lie it's like if

00:54:45.260 you're if I'm gonna

00:54:46.040 participate in your lie

00:54:47.080 that your your masks are

00:54:48.400 doing something you have

00:54:49.100 to participate in my lie

00:54:50.300 that this mesh mask

00:54:51.560 complies and you know

00:54:53.640 what one flight attendant

00:54:54.400 first came over and she

00:54:55.140 was like is that mass TSA

00:54:57.060 compliant I'm like I don't

00:54:58.140 think they're paying that

00:54:58.740 much attention and then

00:54:59.940 three other flight

00:55:00.660 attendants came over right

00:55:01.460 after her and they all

00:55:02.240 said where did you get

00:55:02.900 that where I need that I

00:55:04.460 want it to you know this

00:55:07.880 thing I mean there's first

00:55:09.400 of all even the people who

00:55:11.020 we were told we were

00:55:12.100 supposed to blindly obey

00:55:13.980 like the media doctors and

00:55:17.400 scientists on cable and in

00:55:18.860 the New York Times eventually

00:55:20.420 came to admit that cough

00:55:21.680 masks actually don't work

00:55:23.040 there's this theater there

00:55:24.820 were Biden administration

00:55:25.740 officials who said I'm

00:55:27.280 really disappointed in

00:55:29.240 scientists the scientific

00:55:30.920 community for not

00:55:31.860 acknowledging from the

00:55:32.820 start that cough masks are

00:55:34.180 fraud they don't actually

00:55:35.620 work like if you really had

00:55:36.900 wanted to do something you'd

00:55:37.880 have to force people to wear

00:55:38.860 a hardcore surgical mask

00:55:40.240 the other issue though is

00:55:42.120 you know this talk of

00:55:44.140 selfishness I find so

00:55:45.200 interesting because I do

00:55:46.240 agree there was a lot of

00:55:47.060 selfishness in in the

00:55:48.600 covid pandemic for example

00:55:49.820 there are a lot of people

00:55:50.960 who don't have children who

00:55:53.420 were very insistent that

00:55:55.600 schools remain closed because

00:55:58.420 they didn't care about the

00:55:59.800 severe social and

00:56:01.020 intellectual harm that

00:56:02.900 closed schools was imposing

00:56:04.420 on on children the

00:56:05.520 difficulties it was imposing

00:56:07.200 on parents and the the

00:56:09.860 the severe limitations from

00:56:11.620 remote learning the harm that

00:56:13.820 came to forcing children to

00:56:15.360 wear masks at a time when

00:56:16.300 they're using they're

00:56:17.140 developing their emotive and

00:56:19.020 empathetic skills and their

00:56:20.280 language skills and they

00:56:21.320 can't see people's mouths all

00:56:22.720 things that are going to have

00:56:23.440 very long serious enduring

00:56:25.580 harm on kids lots of people

00:56:27.820 without kids lots of teacher

00:56:29.180 unions officials didn't care

00:56:31.800 because they selfishly wanted to

00:56:33.180 protect their own interests at

00:56:34.160 the expense of huge numbers of

00:56:35.960 children but you know

00:56:37.620 ultimately Megan this whole

00:56:39.500 question about this judge

00:56:40.440 you I find so interesting you

00:56:42.060 know Elena Kagan when she

00:56:44.520 was appointed not to a low

00:56:46.000 level federal court judge but

00:56:47.160 to the Supreme Court also had

00:56:48.620 never tried a case she was the

00:56:50.620 solicitor general for a year

00:56:51.880 and other than that she had

00:56:53.480 been at Harvard Law School she

00:56:54.760 was the dean of Harvard Law

00:56:55.740 School doing administrative work

00:56:56.840 raising money for Harvard Law

00:56:57.920 School great but everyone was

00:56:59.000 saying she's so brilliant she

00:57:00.920 should be you know she should go

00:57:02.060 on the court and she got

00:57:02.800 approved so the idea that

00:57:04.660 somebody who obviously is very

00:57:06.160 smart has been in the elite

00:57:07.200 levels of law school and

00:57:09.000 clerking for a Supreme Court

00:57:10.300 judge isn't qualified to be a

00:57:13.340 low-level first instance federal

00:57:15.660 judge is is preposterous and you

00:57:18.680 can go back and find that same

00:57:20.000 reporter from Slate celebrating

00:57:23.080 during the Trump era when like a

00:57:25.360 hundred and three-year-old federal

00:57:26.660 court judges sitting in Nebraska

00:57:28.260 invalidated the Trump policy for

00:57:31.640 the entire country on

00:57:32.720 constitutional grounds and he

00:57:33.900 would say look at this heroic

00:57:35.140 judge standing up to the Trump

00:57:36.700 administration and then suddenly

00:57:38.360 two years later oh my god aren't

00:57:40.160 we so embarrassed that a single

00:57:41.520 judge has the ability to

00:57:42.760 invalidate for the entire country

00:57:44.340 a law based on her

00:57:45.220 constitutional analysis that's

00:57:47.080 how our system works I think it

00:57:48.300 works pretty well whatever you

00:57:50.600 think of her she got confirmed by

00:57:51.860 the Senate in accordance with the

00:57:52.920 Constitution she's a real judge

00:57:54.420 just like everybody else but

00:57:56.460 again there's just no consistency

00:57:58.280 in journalistic discourse which in

00:58:01.240 my view is the number one reason

00:58:02.900 why there's so little faith and

00:58:05.180 trust in our profession because

00:58:06.480 they've deservedly lost that faith

00:58:08.340 and trust by compromising every

00:58:11.320 ethical duty that we often fail to

00:58:14.380 fulfill but at least we're supposed

00:58:16.060 to aspire to yeah she Robin given

00:58:19.440 goes on to say this was not a case

00:58:21.260 of a medical body taking note of

00:58:23.200 silence this wasn't a case for

00:58:25.440 raucous cheers and she's taking

00:58:27.380 aim at the fact that this judge had

00:58:29.360 the nerve to decide this case

00:58:30.940 meanwhile it's like I didn't see

00:58:32.580 Robin given's article when Sonia

00:58:34.800 Sotomayor who's sitting on the US

00:58:36.480 Supreme Court said that we had a

00:58:38.120 hundred thousand children in

00:58:39.360 hospitals thanks to COVID including

00:58:41.160 on ventilators when we hadn't even

00:58:43.000 hit that number during the entire

00:58:44.620 course of the two-year pandemic

00:58:45.960 never mind on that particular day

00:58:48.040 which is what she claimed and never

00:58:50.320 corrected I don't remember her

00:58:52.120 saying this is so wrong to have a

00:58:53.660 person like this decide these cases

00:58:55.880 how what it what a fool all right so

00:58:58.380 we'll have to wait to see whether

00:58:59.640 they appeal but they shouldn't

00:59:01.100 appeal and I'll tell you one story

00:59:02.360 before you go your background on

00:59:03.700 black which is kind of appropriate

00:59:04.900 for my story okay I'll try and keep

00:59:07.380 it that way it's fine so listen to

00:59:09.200 this speaking of the absurdity and

00:59:11.000 the CDC the White House is letting

00:59:12.380 the CDC decide this thing on the

00:59:14.060 airplanes well that's because the

00:59:16.140 CDC actually is going to control it

00:59:18.020 and what the CDC is going to do

00:59:19.620 whatever Joe Biden tells them to do

00:59:21.120 I mean that's the truth they have

00:59:22.260 been all along the teachers union

00:59:23.480 it's a political body we learned

00:59:25.220 that and it's because of the CDC

00:59:26.820 that my 12 year old has a mask on

00:59:28.500 his face this week again he has a

00:59:30.720 mask on his face because two

00:59:32.600 Saturdays ago he had exposure to a

00:59:34.880 COVID positive kid so because he's

00:59:37.420 not vaccinated we had to keep him

00:59:40.500 out of school all last week he's

00:59:42.700 100% fine he has no symptoms he

00:59:44.220 had doesn't have COVID had to go

00:59:46.080 remote all last week which is not

00:59:47.600 the same thing as real school we all

00:59:48.940 know that and then he was allowed

00:59:50.620 to go back this week now it's 10 11

00:59:53.320 days right since the contact and he

00:59:56.260 has to wear a mask all week a shitty

00:59:58.500 cloth mask that doesn't come close to

01:00:00.860 covering his face appropriately nor

01:00:02.620 will we ever put one on that does

01:00:04.640 because this is all theater and he's

01:00:07.200 already back to the school nurse like

01:00:08.480 put it up make sure it's on you have

01:00:09.720 to wear it never this is outrageous

01:00:11.640 and what they're doing Glenn is trying

01:00:13.520 to punish us for not vaccinating him

01:00:15.620 right because the school has a

01:00:16.980 mandatory vaccination policy doesn't

01:00:18.920 kick in like you don't get expelled

01:00:20.880 for not complying until you're 16 and

01:00:23.380 he's 12 and they're trying to force

01:00:26.280 the parents because the vaccines

01:00:27.420 don't prevent the spread they don't

01:00:28.880 prevent the spread so what are we

01:00:30.420 doing what like if he had been

01:00:32.320 vaccinated he would have been no less

01:00:33.720 likely you know to spread COVID if

01:00:36.140 he had gotten it from that kid so this

01:00:37.700 is punitive try to force people to

01:00:39.920 comply with their stupid mandate and

01:00:42.720 our response so far has been to not

01:00:45.080 complain you know what fine go ahead

01:00:47.620 punish our 12 year old all you want

01:00:50.660 we're not sticking him with your

01:00:52.960 needle because of your pressure

01:00:54.780 campaign I mean COVID is over they've

01:00:57.520 got to be kidding me with this and

01:01:00.040 yet they I don't know if it's if it's

01:01:02.980 exertion of power what it is but the

01:01:04.860 school is just going to say it's the

01:01:06.220 CDC we follow the CDC standard you know

01:01:10.040 I'll tell you when I kind of got

01:01:11.560 radicalized about COVID it's amazing

01:01:14.020 how your your views really change when

01:01:16.040 you become a parent which I think is

01:01:18.580 one reason why when people who don't

01:01:20.280 have kids are insinuating themselves

01:01:22.140 into policy debates that mostly affect

01:01:23.880 kids I get kind of resentful about that

01:01:26.140 but when what what really radicalized me

01:01:28.740 about COVID was here in Brazil there

01:01:31.460 were extreme coercive measures against

01:01:33.900 people who are unvaccinated you

01:01:36.380 couldn't take your kids anywhere like to

01:01:38.060 the mall to shopping centers everywhere

01:01:40.220 you go you had to show a vaccine

01:01:41.500 passport so when we got to the point

01:01:43.960 where we had to make decisions for the

01:01:45.580 three kids over whom we have legal

01:01:46.980 guardianship a nephew of ours and then

01:01:49.140 our two actual children 17 14 and 12

01:01:51.860 now but you know a couple years a year

01:01:53.960 younger so last year each one had

01:01:55.480 different considerations and especially

01:01:57.740 for our 11 year old you know we were

01:01:59.500 seriously contemplating not getting him

01:02:01.660 vaccinated because we thought the risk

01:02:03.140 outweighed the benefits the decision we

01:02:06.200 realized had been taken away from us like

01:02:08.140 the punishments and the cost that would

01:02:10.140 have been imposed on him were so great

01:02:12.020 that we basically got forced into

01:02:14.500 injecting into our own children

01:02:15.940 substances that we weren't actually sure

01:02:18.400 we wanted to inject into them for their

01:02:20.200 own good and when your autonomy is

01:02:23.820 deprived that way for no good reason

01:02:25.880 COVID was not a threat to healthy kids

01:02:28.500 being vaccinated did not mean that they

01:02:30.920 couldn't pass the virus to other people

01:02:32.600 it was purely punitive as you said which

01:02:35.420 is so much of what the reporting we've

01:02:36.820 been discussing also is punitive for

01:02:38.520 people having the wrong political

01:02:39.720 ideology that's what this is to that's

01:02:42.340 when you get really resentful because

01:02:44.660 it's a complete abuse of coercive power

01:02:47.160 of the state to not just punish adults

01:02:49.720 but children especially for making valid

01:02:54.020 decisions that aren't the ones the

01:02:55.880 state and the society are demanding that

01:02:57.400 you make so well said one of the many

01:03:00.280 reasons I love when Glenn speaks he

01:03:02.440 always has just the right way of

01:03:03.700 explaining things Glenn Greenwald such a

01:03:06.220 pleasure as always come back soon

01:03:07.880 happy to do that I told your producer

01:03:10.040 anytime Megan I'm always available for

01:03:11.800 your show great talking to you it's done

01:03:13.580 it's a done deal

01:03:14.580 we're joined by Brandon Judd he is the

01:03:20.100 president of the National Border Patrol

01:03:21.760 Council and an expert on border security

01:03:23.840 and illegal immigration there's a lot to

01:03:25.820 discuss today including the record

01:03:28.140 breaking border numbers there were more

01:03:30.040 than two hundred thousand migrant

01:03:32.660 encounters in March that is the highest

01:03:35.100 in more than 20 years more than 20 years

01:03:39.800 and title 42 the thing that lets us reject

01:03:43.460 the migrants without entertaining their

01:03:45.320 asylum claims at all it was basically a

01:03:47.760 covert measure that the CDC put in place

01:03:49.840 is about to end at the end of May but

01:03:53.120 will President Biden let it he's starting

01:03:55.460 to waver because he's coming under

01:03:57.080 pressure from moderate Democrats who say I'll

01:03:59.600 be fired 100% I'm going to be fired in

01:04:01.360 October in November if you allow that to

01:04:03.960 happen Brandon thank you so much for being

01:04:05.560 here Megan it's good to be with you thank

01:04:08.080 you okay before we get to just how bad it

01:04:10.360 is is the last time you were on we talked

01:04:12.020 about this BS story about the border

01:04:14.200 patrol agents allegedly whipping

01:04:15.820 migrants at the border and it was a lie

01:04:19.140 and we knew it and the media peddled it and

01:04:22.220 the White House peddled it we played the

01:04:24.740 soundbite in a minute ago but let's let's

01:04:26.940 hear just a little bit of well this one's

01:04:30.900 I think Jen Psaki specifically saying that

01:04:35.220 they what that what she believed the

01:04:37.200 migrants did the mounted border patrol

01:04:39.260 officers president accused of whipping

01:04:41.680 migrants have been notified they will not

01:04:44.620 face criminal charges so when is the

01:04:47.260 president going to apologize to them there

01:04:49.840 is a process and an investigation that's

01:04:52.020 gone to the Department of Homeland Security

01:04:53.440 I don't have any update on that the

01:04:55.400 president said that they were whipping

01:04:56.920 people which would be a criminal offense

01:04:58.600 and they've been told they're not going to

01:04:59.920 be criminally and there was an

01:05:01.200 investigation into that and I'll let the

01:05:02.680 Department of Homeland Security announce

01:05:04.040 any conclusion of that investigation you

01:05:06.060 accuse these officers of brutal and

01:05:08.300 inappropriate measures now that they've

01:05:10.320 been told they will not be criminally

01:05:11.740 charged will you apologize and Peter

01:05:14.100 there was an investigation into their

01:05:15.800 behavior so that investigation is playing

01:05:18.280 out is whenever there it's going to be

01:05:20.800 announced the Department of Homeland Security

01:05:22.200 will announce that and I'm sure we'll have

01:05:23.720 a comment on it after that go ahead

01:05:25.140 okay that was her yesterday refusing to

01:05:28.120 apologize the way she speaks is annoying

01:05:29.780 it's irritating okay but here she was in

01:05:33.960 September singing a very different tune

01:05:36.140 while the investigation was ongoing

01:05:37.740 listen well first we understand and agree

01:05:40.680 that this has been an incredibly heart

01:05:43.180 wrenching issue we've watched the photos

01:05:45.280 of Haitians gathering under a bridge many

01:05:48.160 with families and the horrific video of the

01:05:51.180 CBP officers on horse on horses using brutal

01:05:54.000 and inappropriate measures against innocent

01:05:55.700 people I think it's important to take to

01:05:58.420 address that and separately address what our

01:06:00.900 immigration policies are and understand that

01:06:03.200 people are combining them but that's why I asked

01:06:05.840 that question brutal and inappropriate so

01:06:08.940 it's fine for her to say that before the

01:06:11.440 investigation is complete but when asked if

01:06:14.140 she will now apologize that they since they've

01:06:16.080 been exonerated she will not do it she

01:06:19.000 completely dodges as has the president the

01:06:21.640 president who said someone will pay and and

01:06:25.600 accuse them of strapping strapping the

01:06:28.320 migrants which is not at all what happened

01:06:30.020 and there's absolutely no willingness to own up

01:06:32.920 to what they didn't said Brendan yeah there's

01:06:35.260 very few things to get my blood pressure up then

01:06:39.140 hearing things like this just flat-out lies when

01:06:41.540 she says that there's an investigation by DHS she's

01:06:44.340 lying it's CBP OPR that is doing the

01:06:47.620 investigation now when Peter Doocy asked her

01:06:50.160 about what President Biden said President Biden

01:06:53.620 accused those agents of a criminal act not an

01:06:57.020 administrative act a criminal act they have been

01:07:00.020 cleared criminally they've been compelled to give

01:07:02.540 a statement once they are compelled to give a

01:07:04.620 statement they can no longer use that against

01:07:06.420 them criminally the criminal charges are now

01:07:08.620 gone there are no criminal charges the president

01:07:11.160 owes those agents an apology because he accused them

01:07:13.960 of a criminal act I would say that Jen Psaki also

01:07:17.400 accused them of a criminal act when she says that

01:07:19.980 their actions were brutal that would also go into

01:07:22.860 criminality she also is unwilling to issue an

01:07:26.640 apology because again to issue an apology would

01:07:29.240 would mean that they were wrong this administration

01:07:31.540 refuses to take any responsibility for anything that

01:07:35.400 it does regardless of whether they're accusing law

01:07:38.040 enforcement of something or economic issues you know

01:07:42.280 Department of State issues they refuse to take responsibility

01:07:46.120 for anything and that's part of the reason why this country is in the state

01:07:50.200 that we're in right now this is the continuation of the discussion I was

01:07:52.920 having with Glenn Greenwald about a media and in this case politicians who

01:07:56.200 create a false narrative about somebody low on the power totem pole and then don't

01:08:01.960 take any accountability for what the consequences of what they have done so in this case they took

01:08:08.600 video of border patrol agents trying to control migrants who were rushing the border and in no

01:08:14.360 case whipping anybody they had reins of horses that they were twirling to try to control their

01:08:19.400 horses and it got spun out of just a thin air into they were whipping they were whipping the migrants and

01:08:27.320 even the Reuters reporter who was taking the photograph said that's not what the photographs show you're

01:08:32.600 not reporting the right stuff and yet here just to remind folks is an example of what we heard

01:08:39.000 from the media at the time it's short soundbite six i was not aware that whips um which come from

01:08:47.000 the slave era slavery era were part of the package we saw that image of at least one border patrol agent

01:08:52.440 using a whip potentially as a whip even appearing to whip no accountability and those agents lives

01:09:00.840 were essentially ruined well and that's the reason why the biden administration is willing

01:09:05.640 to go out and and tell lies because they know that they're going to be covered by the mainstream media

01:09:10.600 the mainstream media is never going to hold him accountable and if they don't hold him accountable

01:09:15.000 he's going to continue to tell lies to the american public because that's what his base wants

01:09:21.080 him to do but let's set the stage let's let all of your viewers and listeners understand what this

01:09:26.760 situation was there were 10 000 people under a bridge that the biden administration caused they

01:09:32.520 caused this problem there were 10 000 people under the bridge all of these people thought that they

01:09:37.320 were going to be released into united states the message was getting out that they were going to be

01:09:42.120 sent back to haiti and so it was a powder keg dps it was so bad that dps had to had to deploy hundreds of

01:09:49.400 resources down to that bridge those agents on horseback were specifically told to go to the

01:09:56.280 river and stop anybody else from crossing and getting into that group those were the orders

01:10:01.640 that they were given and by the way they were given those orders why secretary mayorkis was there

01:10:06.840 secretary mayorkis is part of the administration secretary mayorkis has complete and total control over dhs

01:10:13.080 which is which which would include cbp and the border patrol those agents did exactly what they

01:10:19.480 were ordered to do and those orders were legal and and they were humane they were just trying to keep

01:10:25.880 people from crossing and getting into that group to create a bigger problem that what already existed

01:10:31.960 that this administration that this administration created but of course because the images then come out

01:10:38.120 and the administration is now embarrassed they then blame the agents for for some sort of wrongdoing

01:10:44.440 when they did everything absolutely correct and of course the mainstream media then justified the

01:10:50.600 president's decision to to accuse those agents of a criminal act oh my god i mean to god forbid talk about

01:10:56.600 like punching down the president of the united states picking on these border patrol agents and who he's

01:11:02.120 the one who put them in this situation then kicking them when they're down and then not owning up to it

01:11:06.440 not not just saying even through his press secretary we got it wrong we're sorry it is cowardly and

01:11:13.880 meantime he's in the midst of creating more danger for the border patrol agents down there by letting in

01:11:19.720 migrants by record numbers i i mentioned the number um in the intro that we're now highest the highest

01:11:25.640 numbers of encounters that we've seen in 20 years this is yes this is the third time that under the

01:11:32.520 biden administration there have been more than 200 000 migrants at the border um all the numbers

01:11:37.000 are up individuals families unaccompanied children they're all up at record numbers and this is before

01:11:43.640 we've lifted title 42 the thing that allows us to just deny asylum because of covid and just send

01:11:48.520 people back right away and i know you believe even though that title 42 is supposed to be getting

01:11:54.280 lifted at the end of may now there are reports biden might be wavering because of this pressure from

01:11:58.920 the moderate dems who know that they're going to get booted out of office if we have if we have an

01:12:03.080 even greater influx than the 7 000 people a day who are flooding across the border that's who we catch

01:12:08.440 never mind how many make it you know who we don't catch um so he's wavering a little but i know you say

01:12:14.440 he may have already sort of unofficially started to lift that title 42 what do you mean yes yes well let

01:12:22.760 let me first uh go back and address something that is currently happening uh president biden's ineptness

01:12:27.880 doesn't even know boundaries it doesn't even know borders if you look at what's going on in mexico

01:12:31.880 right now you have border officials in mexico that are quitting their jobs as reported by the

01:12:37.000 new york post and something that we already knew about but they're quitting their jobs because of

01:12:41.480 this influx of of um people that are committing acts against mexican um officials that are trying to

01:12:50.360 control immigration in their own country so biden's policies are not just affecting the united states

01:12:55.560 they're also greatly affecting the mexican um government and how they're able to control

01:13:00.920 illegal immigration but when you look at it you know to answer your question about um whether

01:13:05.400 president biden has already gotten rid of title 42 title 42 only applies right now under this

01:13:11.080 administration to a handful of countries the vast majority of countries he's already cut out um from

01:13:16.680 title 42 and that's why we that's why we've seen this huge number in in illegal crossings um that have

01:13:23.560 been taking place right now um what he has now done is because those numbers have now increased in the

01:13:29.640 in the northern triangle countries guatemala el salvador and honduras countries that were still amenable

01:13:34.760 to title 42 um because those numbers have jumped up exponentially ice doesn't have the resources to

01:13:43.480 send them back to their countries and their flights are completely full so what's happening now

01:13:48.920 is we're putting them in expedited removal proceedings but that's a farce uh you know

01:13:54.120 by name it sounds really good but nobody is being removed all you have to do once you're processed for

01:14:00.040 title eight once you're put into an expedited removal proceeding all they have to do is claim

01:14:04.840 a fear of going back to their country and now that expedited removal gets gets cancelled and they're

01:14:10.360 given a notice to appear which ultimately means that they're going to be released so title 42 um

01:14:18.040 even though it still applies to these countries it's not being used the same way that it was under

01:14:24.840 president trump and that's why this administration's immigration policies have failed so bad and that's

01:14:30.120 why we've seen this this huge influx and once title 42 goes away altogether it's going to be nothing but

01:14:36.280 chaos on the border they were saying there could be up to a hundred thousand people right now waiting for

01:14:40.600 that day like waiting for this day in may when it's lifted and we're getting ready to rush the border i

01:14:46.040 mean the biden administration keeps saying we're coming up with plans we have plans do we have

01:14:50.680 plans can we handle that kind of influx there are no plans there has been nothing that has been passed

01:14:55.960 down to the rank and file on how this is going to uh work once title 42 goes away all we know is that

01:15:03.480 we're going to have a huge influx of people we're going to be pulled out of the field our resources are

01:15:08.040 going to be pulled off of the border put into administrative duties processing people releasing people

01:15:12.760 that's just going to encourage more people to come you know if you look right now we have

01:15:17.720 stretches of border that aren't even patrolled at any given time in del rio we could have as much as

01:15:24.840 250 miles that aren't being patrolled if you look at yuma at times we have 90 of our resources in 150

01:15:33.880 miles that are doing administrative duties rather than patrolling the border what's that cause it's caused

01:15:39.640 huge gaps in our coverage that the criminal cartels are then able to exploit there should be no question

01:15:45.800 why the rise in the number of drugs on the streets today has coincided with illegal immigration the

01:15:52.440 cartels thrive on our policies and any time that we invite people through the catch and release program

01:15:59.320 when we invite people to cross our borders illegally the cartels that are then able to get their higher

01:16:03.720 value products they're dangerous products into our communities and that's why so many of our children

01:16:08.760 are dying today and that is what is so frustrating this administration prioritizes its base its open

01:16:17.240 border um pundits that that want a complete open border rather than protecting our children and united

01:16:24.360 states citizens from the dangerous drugs that these cartels are bringing into the united states can you

01:16:28.920 expand on that like what do the cartels do how and what what drugs do they get over their southern

01:16:33.480 border and how do they do it when they see us letting our guard down so these are now transnational

01:16:38.840 criminal organizations when i originally came in the border patrol back in 1997 um you still had mom and

01:16:44.440 pop organizations that smuggled 95 of the people that we dealt with were coming from mexico uh a mere five

01:16:52.120 percent were coming from other countries such as brazil the northern triangle countries um but the vast

01:16:57.400 majority of people that we dealt with were coming from mexico now these transnational criminal organizations

01:17:03.400 are going throughout the world and they're able to advertise their services to people tell them that

01:17:09.080 if they give them several thousands of dollars they'll get them to the united states mexico border

01:17:13.480 they'll be able to cross the united states and they'll be able to be released into united states which is

01:17:17.640 ultimately what they want so these cartels get a bunch of clientele they flood our resources with illegal

01:17:24.280 immigration um we then have to respond to those illegal immigration events take those people into

01:17:30.200 custody take them back to our stations which takes agents out of the field and that's where the cartels

01:17:36.360 that's how the cartels create those gaps they flood us with illegal immigrants create those gaps and then

01:17:42.120 they cross their products such as fentanyl opioids cocaine they even cross criminal aliens aliens from

01:17:49.160 special interest countries that's why it's so dangerous right now and what we see is going to have

01:17:54.040 a large impact on the united states we're already seeing with the drug overdoses but it's also going

01:17:59.000 to have an impact on the united states with all the criminals that are coming in you got to remember

01:18:04.440 we're apprehending about 8 000 people per day right now but about 2 000 people are able to evade

01:18:11.240 apprehension and escape into united states we don't know who those people are where they're coming from

01:18:16.520 or what their intentions are here in the united states that is and just to remind the audience obama's dhs

01:18:23.480 secretary jay johnson said 4 000 people crossing the border a day is a crisis 4 000 and you just

01:18:28.840 put the number at more like 8 000 and it's it's not it's not going down it's going to go up it's going

01:18:34.360 to go up no matter what biden does you know based on the way he's handled it so far and it's certainly

01:18:39.160 going to go up if title 42 gets lifted at the end of may as as planned so can we talk about you

01:18:46.040 mentioned it at the beginning of your remarks so we're talking about okay they the cartels exploit the

01:18:50.760 the distraction by the border patrol um by dealing with all the migrants who are running over who

01:18:55.880 are orchestrated in large part by the cartels in the first place and but but when you're dealing

01:19:01.320 with those people who have crossed the border who you have caught the seven to eight thousand a day

01:19:06.280 what happens with them i had a very interesting conversation with steven miller who just gave me

01:19:10.360 some alarming facts on how they're kind of just told okay here's your asylum date if they say they

01:19:17.560 want to sign like here's your date you know honor system hope you show up and they they're never going

01:19:22.920 to get asylum they don't really get asylum but if they don't get asylum they're just sort of turned

01:19:28.600 out without they're not like kicked out it's not like uh okay and now brandon will escort you back to

01:19:33.720 mexico so explain how it works that they wind up staying here so we give them a de facto legal status to

01:19:41.560 be here when we issue them the nta and we release them from our custody that's a de facto legal status

01:19:46.680 now there's a series of court appearances that they're supposed to show up to the first one

01:19:50.280 they're supposed to present themselves before cis citizens in immigration service they then go

01:19:55.320 through a credible fear interview cis finds the vast majority of people have a credible fear

01:20:01.160 because it's a much lower bar than actually asking for asylum once they find that there's

01:20:06.040 a credible fear they then release them they're able to get work permits they're able to get driver's

01:20:09.960 licenses they're able to put their children in school they're able to get all of the social

01:20:13.560 benefits that exist here in the united states um they become de facto u.s citizens if if you will

01:20:20.520 what they do is they'll show up to all of their initial court appearances because by showing up

01:20:26.600 they're able to keep all of those benefits once it comes down to the final court appearance where

01:20:32.200 they then have to prove that they have a legitimate claim to asylum that's where they disappear they

01:20:38.280 just disappear into what president by uh obama coined um the shadows of society and because

01:20:44.520 this administration doesn't go after those people then a warrant is issued for their arrest but

01:20:49.880 they're now gone you can't find them and they'll never be removed from from the country so if you

01:20:54.680 look at the number number of people that have been released into the country since president

01:20:59.320 biden has been in office there's been over 800 000 people that have been released into the

01:21:04.520 country that crossed our borders illegally or in other words they were rewarded for violating our

01:21:08.920 laws those people will never be removed from from the united states because they won't show up to their

01:21:15.000 to their court dates you also have to remember the the low percentage of people that actually are

01:21:21.720 granted asylum um immigration judges when they hear the cases it's only between seven and 14

01:21:28.600 that actually have a legitimate asylum claim most of the people are coming here for economic reasons

01:21:34.760 they claim that they have a fear of going back to the country but they can't prove that fear

01:21:38.840 they're coming here for economic reasons and economic is not a good is not um one of those

01:21:44.440 things that that meets the standard of law for asylum in the united states just because you don't like

01:21:49.160 the economic circumstances in your own country doesn't mean you can violate u.s laws but in effect

01:21:55.160 this administration is allowing that to happen so how is it if we've had title 42 in place you know

01:22:00.840 it happened first under trump and it remained in place under biden that people are crossing the

01:22:06.600 border and getting asylum hearings at all right now aren't they not supposed to they shouldn't be

01:22:12.520 but this administration gave a great many cutouts to different countries um colombia venezuela cuba um

01:22:19.800 nicaragua um china all of these different countries were given carve outs from title 42 so if you look

01:22:26.760 at under president trump it was about 95 of the people that crossed the border illegally they were

01:22:32.840 expelled under title 42 there were a small percentage um that were coming from war and torn countries or

01:22:39.320 countries that legitimately had a need um for asylum those people were allowed to make their claims but

01:22:46.520 they were held in custody what we're seeing now is only 52 percent of the people that cross our borders

01:22:52.600 illegally are expelled under under title 42 the other 48 percent are processed under title eight

01:22:58.680 and when we process them under title eight that's when they get released into united states and that

01:23:03.720 again is why so many people are crossing our borders illegally that's why we have the explosion

01:23:09.240 now when jay johnson said that four thousand people a day is a crisis we have the resources to

01:23:14.680 handle about three thousand once it becomes four to five thousand it's a crisis once it's eight

01:23:19.720 thousand like what we're dealing with now we've just complete we've lost complete control of our

01:23:24.040 border and that's where we're at today the latest reporting uh from fox news i think is over 40 it's

01:23:30.040 40 plus uh people who are on the terrorist database have been stopped at the southern border it was

01:23:36.520 between originally they reported 23 but i think they upped the number to over 40 um coming across the

01:23:41.240 southern border who were on terror watch lists as recently as 2021 um that's concerning and i know that

01:23:48.360 there are a lot of bad you know like murderers pedophiles and so on it's not just potential

01:23:54.440 terrorists but how concerned should we be about that we should be extremely concerned but the white

01:24:00.680 house continues to downplay that as well in that same press conference where where jen saki refused

01:24:06.600 to apologize to those agents she downplayed that as well she said only point zero zero five percent of

01:24:11.880 the people that cross the border um are on the terrorist watch list but again what she doesn't address

01:24:17.000 us is she doesn't address the gotaways people that want to escape apprehension the cartels know who

01:24:22.680 they are and they work very hard to ensure that those people don't get caught we were lucky to get

01:24:27.960 those 40 people but now you have to look at the 2 000 people every single day 2 000 people are

01:24:35.480 are able to evade apprehension like i said before we don't know who they are we don't know whether they're

01:24:41.000 coming from syria afghanistan uzbekistan um uh yemen we don't know if they're coming from the middle

01:24:48.520 eastern countries who obviously want to do us harm iran iraq um we just don't know who they are and

01:24:54.680 there's no intel out there telling us when they're coming those 40 individuals that we took into custody

01:25:00.120 it's not like we were given intel saying hey look out for these people they're going to cross in this

01:25:04.600 particular area we were lucky to get them we were lucky to apprehend them and then their names matched names

01:25:10.680 that were on the terrorist watch list there's 2 000 people that are evading apprehension every single

01:25:17.320 day um there's hundreds right now as you and i are speaking meanwhile we're we're enabling the

01:25:23.640 endangerment of these people who are you know the good-hearted people who really are whether it's

01:25:29.400 seeking asylum for you know genuine fear and so on reasons or it's just economic betterment they're

01:25:34.760 they're making the run for it and a lot of times if it is you know young women if it's kids it's

01:25:39.640 very dangerous ground to have to cover in the rio grande and i know that there are drowning deaths

01:25:45.240 you guys are trying you know you do what you can to prevent it but a lot of the times you have to

01:25:49.880 you see people die because it's a treacherous journey you know megan i i wouldn't be discussing

01:25:57.240 this with you right now if i didn't know that you believed in the role of life i didn't know that you

01:26:01.640 had a heart and that you understood that we are the the most compassionate country in the world and

01:26:07.560 we do need to take care of individuals that are coming from war-torn country war-torn countries or

01:26:13.640 from countries where they will actually do harm to people because of their political beliefs their

01:26:18.440 religious beliefs um and all of those different things that qualify for asylum i know that you

01:26:22.680 recognize that i know you understand that we all do that we want to take care of individuals we

01:26:28.200 want to be the greatest country on earth but if we don't follow the rule of law if we don't recognize

01:26:35.080 that the laws were put in place um to protect vulnerable individuals not people that are trying

01:26:41.320 to flee from economic circumstances but vulnerable individuals that will literally lose their lives

01:26:47.480 or will be tortured um we just lose everything in this country and we become no better than the

01:26:53.800 countries that these people are fleeing from and that's the problem that we're seeing today we've

01:26:58.360 gone from compassion to apathy we've gone from compassion to believing that um whatever is

01:27:05.400 politically best for an individual that's in the white house at the time that's what we're going to

01:27:09.800 do and unfortunately the media enables that and that's why there's not as much public out prize there is

01:27:16.120 um luckily there are enough people out there that are trying to get the message out to the american

01:27:21.240 public to tell them what's really going on on the border so that we can actually get this this

01:27:25.960 problem under control look at the the most recent polls and illegal immigration border security is one

01:27:32.280 of the highest things on the minds of the american public not really the mainstream media that's that's

01:27:39.080 what's crazy like if you look at any poll it's inflation economy immigration and now i mean

01:27:45.080 covid used to be up there but it's no longer people have moved down from covid although the cdc

01:27:49.000 doesn't know that but immigration continues to be a major concern for all of the reasons we're

01:27:53.640 discussing and i wonder because you know as i i was reading your tweet about you know these these

01:27:59.160 crossers who are drowning in the rio grande and you were saying something like that we're not going to

01:28:03.480 see we're not going to see aoc crying at the banks of the rio grande over that right like where's her

01:28:08.920 concern now that it's a democrat in the white house and that's how you know it's politics well you know you

01:28:15.400 you started this off talking about how democrats are breaking from the president they're not just

01:28:19.800 breaking from him they're running from him right now they recognize that they're that they're in

01:28:25.240 jeopardy of losing their next election on this issue and this issue alone and that's why they're they're

01:28:30.760 encouraging the president to keep title 42 in place but the reality is there are simple solutions you

01:28:36.440 know jen saki in that again in that same press conference she said that she's willing to work with

01:28:42.040 anybody that has solutions that's not true they've been given the solutions i personally have met with

01:28:47.560 dhs i've met with secretary mayorkis we have given the solution solutions that have worked in the past

01:28:53.240 that have been proven to work all we have to do challenge the flores decision allow us to hold um 17

01:29:00.520 16 15 year olds in custody beyond 15 days until their deportation or asylum proceedings once you challenge

01:29:07.080 flores allows us to do that then hire immigration judges on a short-term basis

01:29:11.880 and i say short-term basis because the american public should not have to burden this it shouldn't

01:29:17.400 be the taxpayers um that are that are funding what's currently happening on the border hire these

01:29:22.120 immigration judges on a short-term basis hold these people in custody pending their those asylum

01:29:27.560 and deportation proceedings and people will stop coming the argument is always well we don't have

01:29:32.760 the resources to hold hundreds of thousands of people per month you won't have to once you start

01:29:38.440 holding the first people that cross the border illegally hold them in custody that word spreads

01:29:43.720 throughout the world people stop coming it's like a light switch the migrant protection protocols prove

01:29:48.920 that those are the solutions unfortunately this administration wants amnesty they don't want

01:29:55.560 a solution to the border security crisis they want to be able to give amnesty and they recognize that

01:30:01.240 if we get the border under control then there's less possibility that they're going to get amnesty they

01:30:05.880 want this chaos because then they can continue to go out there and preach this is why we need

01:30:10.920 immigration reform and immigration reform all that means is amnesty take a look at how they

01:30:15.640 do it in australia there is a way of deterring people from coming brandon thank you so much for

01:30:22.520 your service and that of all your guys and gals and uh for coming on as well appreciate it thank you

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 20, 2022

Corporate Media's Latest Smears, and a Disastrous Border Crisis, with Glenn Greenwald and Brandon Judd ｜ Ep. 304

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