The Megyn Kelly Show - Corruption of Our Institutions, and Unaccountable Dr. Fauci, with Jesse Kelly and Buck Sexton

00:00:00.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.080 Just when we think we're starting to get a full picture of Twitter's censorship of conservatives,

00:00:20.720 we find out those in power apparently will stop at nothing to suppress the truth.

00:00:25.720 This is unbelievable. Late yesterday, journalist Matt Taibbi revealed that the number two lawyer at Twitter,

00:00:34.280 the deputy general counsel, is the person who was vetting the so-called Twitter files without Elon Musk knowing.

00:00:43.600 Now, why is that a problem? Because he's been there since 2020 and the time of the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

00:00:52.300 He was neck deep in that decision, and now he is the one screening the documents that Elon Musk once released

00:01:00.680 to journalist Matt Taibbi and journalist Barry Weiss.

00:01:05.300 And this was not disclosed, and apparently Elon Musk didn't know it until Taibbi and Barry Weiss were saying,

00:01:11.900 hey, it's kind of slow going. We're not really getting the documents that you wanted us to have.

00:01:17.000 Can we dig a little deeper? And they asked, Barry Weiss asked, hey, who's who's in charge of the

00:01:23.520 screening? And the answer was Jim. Some no but no but name over at Twitter was like, it's Jim.

00:01:29.740 She's like, what's Jim's last name? Jim Baker. That's the deputy general counsel. That's the guy

00:01:36.140 who is neck deep in making the decision to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story to begin with.

00:01:40.720 And this is a guy who is as slick as they come, as slick as they come. There is no accident. He put

00:01:48.660 himself in charge of screening what the journalists would get and what they wouldn't get. And now his

00:01:53.720 ass is fired, rightfully so. Joining me now to discuss it, Jesse Kelly, host of The Jesse Kelly

00:01:59.140 Show and the show. I'm right. Love that, Jesse. Welcome back to the program.

00:02:04.500 Megan, it's an honor as always. And you nailed it with this guy. And obviously,

00:02:08.980 you know about his background. James Baker has a really slimy background before he walked in the

00:02:14.500 doors of Twitter. He was slimy at the FBI, which is a slightly bigger deal. And I'll tell you to what

00:02:20.560 you were just talking about, what I consider to be a big deal in this and pretty revealing is

00:02:24.460 Elon Musk didn't know. Now, Elon Musk is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them, but it just goes

00:02:30.920 to show how deep the rod is. Unless you have two hours a day to dedicate to the Megan Kelly show,

00:02:37.120 even if you're Elon Musk, you don't know. You could have asked me about James Baker six months

00:02:41.640 ago. I would have told you that he's a piece of trash that should have been fired anyway.

00:02:46.040 How does Elon Musk know this? Because the rod is so deep, normal people don't realize.

00:02:51.080 Right. He's trying to save this company, which is in the midst of a crisis since he took it over.

00:02:55.960 He's not going through the resumes of everybody in the deputy general counsel position,

00:03:01.200 for example, the Baker role. Just the fact, just take a step back. Let's talk about James Baker for a

00:03:06.140 minute, because just the fact that Twitter hired him as deputy general counsel after he was forced

00:03:11.300 out of the FBI tells us a lot about the coziness, the inappropriate coziness between these government

00:03:19.280 agencies and our social media companies. Well, what we have, I call it the system, Megan. People

00:03:25.460 call it different things. I call it the system. We have all these cultural pillars, you know,

00:03:29.500 media and entertainment and politics and religion and all these education. Well, what's happened in this

00:03:35.160 country is they've all been taken over by the same ideology now. And they all, instead of working

00:03:40.080 as a check on one another, which ideally that's what you'd want, you know, if the media is losing

00:03:44.560 its mind, Hollywood would call it out. It's something like that. They all now believe the same things

00:03:49.020 about everything and they all just take care of each other. So it's why they don't care about Joe

00:03:53.040 Biden's approval ratings. Everyone's saying that Joe Biden, this Joe Biden, that John, what's her

00:03:59.180 name? The Corinne lady, Corinne diversity hire. She doesn't care about Joe Biden's approval ratings.

00:04:04.380 She's going to walk right out of the white house into a job at MSNBC or somewhere else. James Baker

00:04:09.840 gets frankly disgraced at the FBI by the crap he pulled there. He doesn't, he doesn't take a step

00:04:15.320 back and go on unemployment right to Twitter. He goes to be deputy general counsel. They just,

00:04:19.960 they never fall down. They seem to fall up into a different column.

00:04:24.040 That's right. So this guy was the one neck deep in that lawyer for the Clinton campaign,

00:04:29.060 Michael Sussman going into the FBI and saying, Hey, just, you know, not, not here on behalf of

00:04:33.360 Hillary, but I just want to let you know, Trump looks really dirty and might be having a back

00:04:37.380 channel communication with this alpha bank that's Russian. And, you know, just for a friend,

00:04:42.200 I'm just saying, you might want to look into it. James Baker, there he was dealing with the

00:04:46.240 dossier, the disgraced dossier. Andy McCarthy has a great piece up just getting into all the

00:04:50.880 disgusting history of James Baker smack dab in the middle of deliberations over suppressing the

00:04:56.060 laptop reporting among many other things. But when he was FBI general counsel back in 16 and 17,

00:05:02.160 he was also a top advisor to Jim Comey and was behind all the the FISA applications and,

00:05:10.020 you know, naming the Trump operatives and so on. All the stuff that's been in the news for the past

00:05:13.980 five, six years has basically got this guy's stamp on it. And where does he land? He lands at Twitter

00:05:20.120 where one of his first moves, apparently, in October 2020 was to suppress the reporting on Joe

00:05:26.820 Biden's son. And now full circle, Elon Musk takes over Twitter and says, we're gonna we're gonna air

00:05:34.520 it all out. I'm going to put it all out there. Twitter's been acting like an arm of the Democratic

00:05:38.860 National Committee. That's what Elon Musk said. And unbeknownst to him, he says, OK, all right,

00:05:43.900 I'm going to give it to my general counsel's office to review all the documents, make sure

00:05:46.700 Barry Weiss and Matt Taibbi get all these documents. And then they try to pull a fast

00:05:51.160 one by not telling the reporters who's actually doing the screening of the documents. And only

00:05:55.700 because Barry was like, Jim, who? Why am I getting slow rolled when the CEO and the owner of this

00:06:01.940 company has said, give me the documents? Who's Jim? Why is he dragging his feet? And the reveal

00:06:06.760 comes. It's Jim Baker. And that's when Elon fired him. Yeah, it's incredible.

00:06:12.620 It is amazing, Megan. And just I have a little story, if you if you don't mind me telling it here

00:06:17.000 for a second, a fascinating story, buddy. Mine told me it's one of these Noah guy who

00:06:20.560 know a guy. So I know a guy who knows a guy who graduated with Barack Obama. And we're talking

00:06:25.860 Harvard here. So when you're graduating Harvard, not that I will ever understand. That's more your

00:06:30.380 world than my idiot world. But when you're graduating, I went to Syracuse, babe. Well,

00:06:35.780 when you're when you're the type of person who could, I wouldn't be able to get through class

00:06:39.060 one. But if you graduate Harvard, what are you thinking? I'm going to go take over this industry.

00:06:43.800 I'm going to be a captain of this industry. I'm going to be if you're a lawyer, I'm going to go

00:06:47.800 work at this prestigious law firm and bill somebody for two thousand dollars an hour. And and they're

00:06:52.740 having a discussion post graduation with what they're going to do. And they're all doing that king of

00:06:57.300 the world thing. And he asked Barack Obama what he was going to do. And Barack Obama told him clear

00:07:01.780 back then he told him, I'm going to go be a community organizer. And they all pointed at him

00:07:06.820 and basically laughed at him to his face. What an idiot, what a loser all this time. And you're going

00:07:10.900 to be a community organizer. But Barack Obama understood all these people, James Baker, all of

00:07:15.360 them, they all understood that the most important thing is to become a gatekeeper, to find the choke

00:07:21.660 points of everything and learn to control that choke point. And then you control everything. You don't

00:07:26.120 have to take over everything. If you're James Baker and you want to politic on behalf of Democrats,

00:07:30.440 you have to get to the right position at the FBI that will allow you to do that. And then when you

00:07:35.800 leave that position, you don't have to take over all of Twitter. You actually saw in that reveal,

00:07:40.160 a lot of Twitter executives, when they suppressed the story, were saying, I don't think we can do this.

00:07:45.400 Is this OK? But it didn't matter because he found the choke point that the dirty ones always find the

00:07:51.340 choke points. And that's what they do. They've done it all over the society. They're probably doing

00:07:55.960 it in your hometown right now, whoever's watching. Well, that's the thing, because now we've seen

00:08:01.000 how embarrassing the behavior was at Twitter. You know, I mean, they were suppressed, suppressed.

00:08:05.380 This is it. Let's get it down. You got a couple of people who are like, I don't know. This kind of

00:08:08.860 seems like maybe we shouldn't do it. And everybody was like, no, we're doing it. We're doing it.

00:08:12.900 But there's a bigger story, of course, and that is why. Why? Why were they so primed to be looking for

00:08:19.680 hacking and disinformation campaigns? And no, it's not because of the Russians. It's because

00:08:25.020 of the FBI, because the FBI had gone in there to Twitter, according to the Twitter executives

00:08:30.360 and said, get ready. We expect same as they did at Facebook. We expect you may likely receive

00:08:37.660 disinformation, Russian born about in particular, Joe Biden and potentially Hunter Biden. And the reason

00:08:46.520 that's so disgusting, right, because I understand there's no question the Russians did push out

00:08:51.260 disinformation in the 2016 election. They did. That's that's been documented. But so you might

00:08:55.640 say, OK, well, well, the FBI should be alerting people. We don't want the Russians messing with

00:08:58.820 our elections. You know, win, win or lose. We don't want the Russians calling the shots. But the thing is,

00:09:04.040 they did that with Twitter and Facebook and who knows what other social media companies

00:09:08.120 when the FBI had the Hunter Biden laptop in its possession. They'd already been given

00:09:16.400 the laptop by the legally blind computer repairman back in twenty nineteen. And these warnings were

00:09:23.120 going out after that. They didn't bother to investigate it. It was easily ascertainable as

00:09:28.240 legit. So either they didn't do it because they didn't care or they did do it and then they chose to

00:09:34.900 lie about it. Either way, it's a terrible look for the FBI. More than a terrible look, Megan, it's

00:09:42.300 frightening. I mean, it's it's not like an outrageous story. It's a frightening story when people consider

00:09:48.020 the timeline that you just very clearly laid out. Twenty nineteen, the FBI finds itself in possession

00:09:53.720 of a laptop with all kinds of criminal activity on it. And I'm not talking about doing some booger

00:09:59.360 sugar with some European hookers. I mean, some really dark, dark things out there, dark things

00:10:04.060 and tying Joe Biden to these things. So the FBI has it in twenty nineteen. They suppress it. They

00:10:09.460 basically sit on it like the laptop repair guy said they would sit on it. And after they sat on

00:10:14.220 it, they they're wiretapping and doing who knows what else to Rudy Giuliani. So they find out ahead

00:10:19.980 of time that this story is going to get some legs and be released. They could do an all hands on deck

00:10:25.560 with the social media companies and tell them preemptively before it comes out to suppress the story

00:10:30.920 that's about to come out that they know to be true. You mentioned, did they know or didn't they

00:10:35.140 know? OK, so we either have an FBI that's incompetent or we have an FBI that is the checkup.

00:10:42.360 Either one of those things, neither are acceptable for an organization with the power to destroy

00:10:47.040 anybody's life. Anyone in this country, if they set their sights on you, they can destroy your life

00:10:51.080 and they will destroy your life. How do you justify that organization's continued existence if it's

00:10:57.060 either a that stupid or be what they really are that corrupt? The thing is, you so this to me,

00:11:04.780 it doesn't excuse the Twitter executives behavior, but it does soften it a little, because as we saw

00:11:11.060 in that interview that Yoel Roth gave to Kara Swisher, this is a very scared, weak man. I mean,

00:11:18.120 this is a scared, weak man. We were suffering trauma on January six when we were trying to decide

00:11:23.420 what to suppress was trauma. You weren't there, brother. You were doing Twitter suppression.

00:11:28.200 OK, you were not on the Capitol. So take a seat. In any event, I'm going to I'm not giving him a pass,

00:11:34.240 but I'm just saying now you take a soft, scared guy like that and you sit him down from the with

00:11:39.460 the FBI and they say, yo, the Hunter Biden laptop story could be coming, essentially something like

00:11:45.180 this and be on the lookout. And it's Russian disinformation. That guy doesn't have the benefit

00:11:49.480 of knowing anything that the FBI knows, which is, oh, wait, there really is a Hunter Biden laptop

00:11:53.820 and the FBI has reviewed it. And there's all this stuff on there that's verifiable. He's just been

00:11:57.520 told by a scary man in a dark suit. Be on the lookout. Oh, and by the way, I'm law enforcement

00:12:02.160 like you could. The implicit threat is you could be in trouble if you publish this. So, I mean,

00:12:09.320 that's why we typically don't have the FBI running around speaking to organizations like this.

00:12:13.600 You know what? That's another question Andy raises, which is since when do we sick the FBI on social

00:12:18.660 media companies with the imprimatur of the Justice Department behind them warning them what's going

00:12:25.260 to happen if they don't suppress, if they don't censor? Well, you nailed a big part of this that

00:12:31.760 people don't consider, Megan, is what it means to people, especially a guy like UL Roth. I mean,

00:12:37.300 a guy with the testosterone levels of an eight year old girl when the FBI knocks on his door and shows

00:12:43.180 him an FBI badge, that guy probably soiled his granny panties right when they show that whole thing.

00:12:47.880 That's the kind of guy, and that's what the FBI knows that they'll do. And when you have such a

00:12:53.360 system in this country that has created this world of make-believe where they're not Republicans,

00:12:58.640 you know, they're Nazi white supremacists adjacent to Hitler, January 6th almost ended the country.

00:13:03.900 I mean, this ridiculous over-the-top hyperbole that you've ingrained in these people's minds,

00:13:08.760 and now you show up and say, we've got information on basically Hitler. They fall all over themselves and

00:13:14.420 feel like they're the good guys when they're censoring. That's what blows me away all the

00:13:18.220 time when you study these people and how much they censor and why they censor. They're always

00:13:22.460 100% convinced, Megan, that they're the good guy in the story. No, no, no, no. It's for your own

00:13:27.300 good that we kick this doctor off our YouTube because he said something about COVID we didn't

00:13:31.100 like. We're trying to protect you. They feel like they're the good guys. These commies always do.

00:13:35.620 Well, that because that's the thing. If this if this FBI had been sitting down with with this Yoel

00:13:40.460 Roth and said something's coming in on Donald Trump Jr. or, you know, we want you to be on

00:13:46.320 the lookout for Russian disinformation about the Trumps. I have to imagine Twitter might have felt

00:13:51.820 differently. Twitter might have felt the way a traditional news organization would feel when

00:13:56.340 getting bullied by the FBI, which is you can pound sand. You and I are in different businesses.

00:14:01.920 I don't answer to you. You don't get to threaten me about my reporting unless, you know, in these

00:14:06.660 highly unusual situations where there's a national security threat, if we go ahead and report,

00:14:10.820 you know, the X about this particular spy or this. But, you know, those are very, very rare exceptions

00:14:16.060 to where, you know, the general principle that journalists don't answer to the FBI.

00:14:21.120 And so Twitter but Twitter went right down on the knee. They went right down on the knee. And so why

00:14:25.880 did they do that? Because it was going to hurt. It was going to hurt Hunter Biden. It was a Biden.

00:14:30.980 They didn't want to report the story. The FBI knew that the FBI didn't want them to report the story.

00:14:36.780 So they got in the field position in a way that I really did. There's no question they wouldn't

00:14:40.940 have done had it been reporting on Donald Trump Jr. Well, you mentioned the national security threat

00:14:45.480 thing, Megan. Isn't that what they've done? I mean, how many times Joe Biden get that long speech,

00:14:49.880 that dark speech about threat to democracy, the end of the republic, a threat to the very foundations

00:14:55.500 of the republic over and over and over and over again. They campaigned on a threat to democracy,

00:14:59.620 threat to democracy. What are they doing? They're cementing in the minds of so many Americans

00:15:05.340 that anyone who disagrees with them politically isn't just someone who disagrees with them

00:15:09.680 politically. It's, of course, a national security threat. Now, why would they be trying to classify

00:15:14.800 their political opponents as a national security threat? There's only one reason you would do that.

00:15:18.920 You would do that so you could then justify in your mind and legally the use of state power

00:15:25.340 against the person who's a national security threat. If I'm just a person who votes right,

00:15:30.140 or I'm a right winger, a Republican, or whatever the case may be, well, you can't send the FBI to

00:15:35.840 my door. But if I'm a national security threat threatening the foundations of the republic,

00:15:41.060 what can't you do to me, Megan? If I become a domestic terrorist in your eyes, really anything

00:15:46.340 you do is justified, right? That's what these people have done. And that's what they're doing. It's not

00:15:51.000 some pendulum swing either. They're just getting bolder and bolder and bolder as they go along.

00:15:55.520 Well, and the other thing about Twitter is by 2020, when they were getting this warning,

00:16:02.020 we understood the FBI had to be charitable a very checkered past few years when it came to getting

00:16:09.540 involved inappropriately in politics and misrepresenting facts that could be potentially

00:16:15.460 harmful to Trump and helpful to his opponents. Right. And so, I mean, any normal sentient human

00:16:22.720 being might have said, I'm going to have to put a big old asterisk on what the FBI is telling me.

00:16:28.380 And I better run this down through a couple of different channels so I can make sure I'm not

00:16:33.880 doing the wrong thing here. Right. There was we'd already been through an impeachment. We understood what

00:16:39.080 they had done with the FISA courts, with all the bullshit, you know, with the Russiagate.

00:16:43.240 Right. And yet there was absolutely no skepticism by the folks on the Twitter receiving end. And then

00:16:49.160 the final capper, you know, the person making the ultimate decisions over there happens to have

00:16:54.200 come to Twitter from the FBI. It's just like a perfect storm.

00:17:00.360 That's the thing, Megan. I mean, I guess I'll push back on that a little bit as we think, you know,

00:17:04.960 any normal person looking at what the FBI had done would start questioning the FBI. But I think we

00:17:10.420 have to acknowledge, I mean, how many people sit down? There are lots and lots of them. And they

00:17:14.200 listen to the Megyn Kelly show for two hours a day or watch two hours a day. That person doesn't

00:17:19.720 understand how uniquely informed they are. They think, oh, it's just something I do. I listen at

00:17:25.400 work. I listen when I work out. No, you don't understand. You're in the one or two percent of the

00:17:30.300 most informed people in the United States of America. Most people don't think of the FBI as the

00:17:37.260 Democrats enforcement arm. When you tell people you really can't trust the FDA anymore, they look

00:17:43.460 at you like, OK, weirdo, take the tinfoil off your head. What are you talking about? It's hard to

00:17:48.760 convince normal people, not people like you and me and your audience. It's hard to convince normal

00:17:53.860 people that every traditional institution they have previously trusted has now been infiltrated

00:18:00.300 and taken over and corrupted. And they're not biased. They're not left-leaning. They're lying

00:18:06.220 to your face at all times. If somebody wins a Pulitzer Prize, you should automatically assume

00:18:12.040 instead of that being the best journalist, that's the biggest liar out there. That's crazy to have to

00:18:18.520 bring your normal thinking neighbor into that realm and wake him up and say, buddy, no, you don't

00:18:23.760 understand. Elon Musk doesn't understand still, Megan. Like we talked about at the beginning of the

00:18:28.740 show. He was caught totally off guard by James Baker. Everyone who listens to your show is

00:18:34.100 known about James Baker for how long? Anyone who listens to my show is known about him for two

00:18:38.220 years. Elon Musk, richest guy in the world. His IQ is gigantic. No idea. Found out like yesterday.

00:18:45.440 What? James Baker? We don't understand how unique we are. Your listeners don't understand how unique

00:18:51.140 they are, to their credit, but they don't. Yeah. Well, on that front, it reminded me of something else

00:18:56.200 that was in the news that I think you tweeted about. And that is, you know, you were saying

00:18:59.420 you've got to be very skeptical of these people with these pedigrees. And, you know, like you get

00:19:04.220 no longer is winning the Pulitzer a sign of your, you know, tenacious reporting. It's probably a sign

00:19:10.200 of your fealty to an agenda-based organization. Like this modern day journalism is completely leftist.

00:19:17.680 And this brings me to Yale School of Medicine, which has decided to name its commencement speaker for the

00:19:25.040 upcoming year. As, do you want to tell the people who they're having?

00:19:29.400 Oh, Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci, the guy responsible. I mean, whatever people think about lockdowns,

00:19:35.940 COVID, or vaccines, it really, really doesn't matter at this point in time. We can argue about this all day long.

00:19:40.420 Medically alone, the guy has done unending amounts of damage. And we know now from depositions

00:19:45.520 he's had to give to Missouri's Attorney General that he knew masks were stupid and ridiculous and didn't work.

00:19:51.400 That's not me saying that. That's in the deposition. We had the documentation. He's texting and emailing

00:19:56.200 with friends. Don't wear the mask. That's stupid. And then he's going on television and he's driving

00:20:01.040 teenage anxiety through the roof. Teenage girl suicides up 51%. The medical harm this guy did,

00:20:07.980 medical harm to this country is unending. And what does he get at the end of that? Does he get fired,

00:20:12.860 put on trial, sued? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's walking away from the government with a $400,000

00:20:18.140 a year pension and giving the commencement speech at one of the most prestigious universities in the

00:20:23.240 United States of America. Right back to what we were just talking about, Megan. How do you convince

00:20:28.260 your relatively normal neighbor who agrees with you on most everything, but doesn't pay attention?

00:20:33.020 How do you convince him that, no, no, you should be more suspicious of someone who graduates from Yale

00:20:38.260 as someone who went to my community college? That's a hard thing to wake someone up to realize.

00:20:43.280 That's true. And honestly, it's like the people for whom that is an impressive pedigree are not

00:20:49.500 people for whom you want to work. I mean, like, yes, it will open doors. Will they be the right

00:20:54.520 doors? I would suggest no, not not anymore. Times have changed. To your point in that deposition of

00:21:00.400 Dr. Fauci, here's the here's the exchange you were referencing. Question to Fauci. Do you recall

00:21:06.840 writing this in response to a person who was about to travel out, Sylvia, on an airplane?

00:21:10.740 Um, this is doctor. They're quoting Dr. Fauci's own email quote masks are really for infected people

00:21:16.860 to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting

00:21:21.160 uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drugstore is not

00:21:26.040 really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might,

00:21:31.220 however, provide some slight benefit in keeping out gross droplets. If someone coughs or sneezes on

00:21:36.920 you, I do not recommend that you wear a mask, particularly since you're going to a low risk

00:21:43.920 location. Do you recall writing that? I vaguely recall talking to her about certain safety issues

00:21:50.560 regarding masks. That's that's as much as he would say. It's right there. It's right there. And you're

00:21:55.360 right. So absolutely no accountability for anything Fauci did. All of the lies he told, the bad decisions

00:22:00.820 he made, the funding of the gain of function research, which suddenly he doesn't remember in

00:22:05.380 the deposition. I'm really not familiar with it. You're not. You're not familiar. You're not familiar

00:22:10.880 at this point. It may have caused a global pandemic. What was happening there? We'll never know,

00:22:15.960 apparently, because we can't get real answers from the Chinese or from you. And you can still sit here

00:22:20.940 and say, oh, I don't know. I'm not familiar. And now he's going to go be honored as the Yale commencement

00:22:25.880 speaker for the future doctors of America. It's infuriating. It's infuriating. And it's honestly

00:22:32.380 a little scary if you take it to this logical conclusion, Megan, because I I'm sure you have.

00:22:37.840 I don't even know how many sources you must have in the medical community between doctors and nurses

00:22:42.320 and hospital administrators. But I know I have a bunch. So I'm sure you have about 10 times that many

00:22:47.180 than the things they tell me about the new crops coming out of college. Now the new crop of doctors,

00:22:54.600 nurses, nurses, it is not good, Megan, the things these people believe are really not good. And

00:23:01.000 back to what we were just talking about. It's the most prestigious universities, Johns Hopkins, MIT,

00:23:07.020 Yale, all these all these big shot universities that look so sexy on a resume. Wow, he must be the

00:23:13.160 best. He's going to work for the best. What do you do if you live in a country where five years from

00:23:19.700 now you go sit down with a doctor you trust you pay a fortune for after all he went to Yale.

00:23:24.060 And that doctor thinks, oh, I don't know. I don't think you deserve the same level of treatment

00:23:28.880 because you're white. Now that may sound crazy. Go look at what's happening right now at the highest

00:23:34.620 universities in this country and tell me what do we do when our medical institutions are completely

00:23:39.840 corrupted, just like everything else. What if the medical community was as corrupt as the American

00:23:44.820 media? That's shock you. It should shock you because that's where we're going. And we're going there real

00:23:49.260 fast. My God. I mean, just the fact that they would that they would honor it. I realize it's

00:23:53.320 Yale. Yale's about as woke as they come. It's absolutely disgusting. This is why some judges

00:23:57.620 now, some federal judges are saying, I won't hire from Yale. I'm not accepting clerks from Yale Law

00:24:03.260 School. Thank goodness. Right. I mean, because look, I can I could argue the other way, like get them in

00:24:07.960 there and try to get the brainwashing off of them. But who's got time? Who's got time? Right. It's like

00:24:12.780 and maybe maybe they'll sign up for the Federalist Society if they think you can get in with this

00:24:17.380 other judge. Well, they'll be exposed to other ideas besides their crazy, woke leftist ones.

00:24:21.340 But the point is, there has to be some sort of negative consequence to these woke young lawyers,

00:24:26.120 these woke young doctors, or they're just going to keep going down that path. And it's dangerous

00:24:30.560 in medicine. It's actually dangerous. Oh, it's it's really dangerous, Megan. Medicine and legal,

00:24:37.140 too. I mean, I don't want to change the subject on you, but the legal professions already been

00:24:41.340 I'm not preaching to the choir. You're already been tainted horribly by this leftist ideology.

00:24:46.580 Well, these kids who are graduating places like Georgetown Law, I mean, like the top ones out there,

00:24:52.320 they are full blown nutballs in the malfeasance we've seen recently in this country from judges.

00:24:58.020 Well, guess where that kid who graduated Georgetown this year? Guess where he's going to end up one day,

00:25:02.620 possibly as a judge presiding over your case. What do you think he's going to think about those memes

00:25:07.580 you were sharing with the buddy on Facebook? How much of a national security threat do you think

00:25:12.080 he's going to think you are? The corruption of our system, every part of our system coming up from

00:25:18.660 our university system is really scary when you when you take it to its logical conclusion.

00:25:23.680 Thank God for the Supreme Court right now. That's that's all I can say is that they're the last line

00:25:27.220 of defense on this at the moment. All right. I'm going to take a quick break, but then I'm going to come

00:25:31.960 back because I want to talk to you about what happened in Georgia last night. Herschel Walker went down

00:25:36.180 and Raphael Warnock has been reelected. And now it's official that the GOP's position in the Senate

00:25:41.260 is even worse than it was before the midterms. Jesse's been one of the most interesting commentators

00:25:48.060 on the midterm results. I've been trying to get him on since the midterms. So this is the perfect

00:25:52.860 day to have him more with him and his thoughts on this and what it means for Republicans next.

00:25:58.120 So it's official. Herschel Walker lost and he lost big. He lost. Well, Warnock finished ahead

00:26:09.900 of Walker in November by thirty seven thousand votes. His lead right now over Walker is almost

00:26:15.260 one hundred thousand votes, ninety seven thousand and change. So it's decisive victory, not particularly

00:26:21.000 surprising. And, you know, it's it. It is official that the Trump supported candidates did very poorly.

00:26:29.640 J.D. Vance won in Ohio. But, you know, you could have predicted that based on most Republicans.

00:26:34.280 Herschel Walker was handpicked by Trump. I don't know if you can blame it all on Trump. Herschel

00:26:38.200 Walker had so many issues, but there is a question of vetting and whether he should have been chosen.

00:26:42.380 And it's just been a complete disaster for the GOP in the Senate, at least this midterm election.

00:26:47.840 They had such opportunity in front of them. And that opportunity was massively blown.

00:26:52.620 So you had tweeted out after the disappointing to Republicans midterms. Tomorrow's a new day.

00:27:00.960 The fight goes on. If you're bummed, wake up and lick your wounds, then get back after it.

00:27:06.020 They're never going to stop. Neither should you. So what does that look like, do you think, now in the

00:27:11.500 wake of this? Well, locally is what it looks like, Megan. And this is this is I talk about this all the

00:27:17.040 time. And it's not sexy. Right. Everyone wants to talk about who's going to be president 2024 or who's

00:27:22.720 going to be senator, congressman, because those are the people we see on TV. Those people come on the

00:27:27.300 Megyn Kelly show. Those are the big shots. Right. We want to talk about the big shots. The federal

00:27:32.420 government sucks and the federal government is probably lost. And the national GOP is just just

00:27:38.520 absolutely despicable in every possible way. Now, I wanted Herschel Walker to win. So that sucks.

00:27:43.700 But wake up today and tell me it's 5149 in the Senate. I don't give a crap. We just had 15

00:27:49.980 Republicans go over and vote with Democrats on a gun control bill. I'm supposed to be bummed out

00:27:55.740 now because we don't have the Senate. We wouldn't have had the Senate if it was 5149 Republicans

00:28:00.020 because Washington, D.C. Republicans suck and they don't stand for anything and they're not fighting

00:28:04.760 back against anything. They've always been this way and they're just worse now than they've ever been.

00:28:09.000 But locally, we have so much we can do. People don't realize how much power they have.

00:28:16.480 Give them Congress and the Senate. Screw them. Go win your school board race. Go for city council.

00:28:22.120 Go for county board of supervisors. The country nationally is in very, very deep trouble and

00:28:26.420 the federal government is probably beyond repair. But your local community, that's the most important

00:28:32.320 part of your life. You can still win races there. You can change the culture around you,

00:28:37.480 get to know your neighbor, run for local things. That's what really matters. Okay,

00:28:42.460 we lost another Senate seat. Who gives a crap?

00:28:45.860 It's interesting because a couple of years ago, I went down and talked to Moms for Liberty

00:28:49.020 in Florida. And this is a great group. And they've been working very hard to push back on the

00:28:53.620 indoctrination of our children and the overmasking and the vaccine, all that. They just take on

00:28:59.040 parental. They want parental choice and parental rights restored in the classroom.

00:29:03.140 And, um, they were talking about, this is two years ago, how some of them had run for school

00:29:09.640 board and some of them had made it on school boards and had, had feces smeared on their

00:29:15.760 front doors. I mean, the, the blowback on these women, these moms for saying, don't tell my kid

00:29:22.840 there's something inherently wrong with him based on his skin color, right? This is what they were

00:29:26.720 saying. And they were target. Then you look at what happened in this last election and the

00:29:31.660 Republicans won every single school board that they fought for. I think either all of them or

00:29:36.140 like all of them minus two or three. I mean, thanks to Ron DeSantis and his coattails in part,

00:29:41.200 but also thanks to their hard work that they'd been doing community by community. And that really

00:29:46.340 is going to change the lives of these school children in Florida more than anything else.

00:29:50.840 It's going to change the country, Megan. I mean, this is the, the communists didn't take over this

00:29:55.400 daggone country from Washington, DC. That's, that's all we see now. This is what we see on

00:29:59.960 television. They took over the country, starting with the education of our children. It is the most

00:30:04.960 important thing in the nation. And it's hard to convince someone that they wake up in the morning

00:30:09.680 and they look at the news and they think, oh, it's terrible. What do I do? It's hard to convince

00:30:13.660 that person. Your local school board race is actually how you save that country. You're worried

00:30:17.980 about it. It doesn't seem that way. It seems, well, that's not a big solution. There's no

00:30:22.560 solution. There's no election, no midterm, no presidential election that is going to undo

00:30:28.080 what's been done to this country. It's taken a long time to get us here. It's going to take a

00:30:32.080 long time to get us back. What, what I always make the tree analogy, people, people look at the

00:30:37.620 country and they want to fix it, but what they see is they see the leaves, right? You see the branches

00:30:41.960 and the leaves and you think that's how you fix it. That's not what makes a tree. What makes a tree

00:30:46.360 are the roots. It's what you can't see. Washington DC is the leaves and the branches. It's what you

00:30:51.160 see and all the pretty flowers. They didn't take over the country by getting the branches. They got

00:30:55.660 the roots. The roots are where we have to begin. And there is so much local good. We're winning like

00:31:01.300 all these school board races as you brought up across the country, but we're winning city council

00:31:05.380 races, sheriffs, uh, County board of supervisors, state house, state legislature. There are huge pockets

00:31:13.360 of this country that are salvageable and wonderful. And we can do a lot of good if we would focus

00:31:18.140 local locals. What I care about the most. So national GOP sucks. I should remind our audience

00:31:23.540 that you actually back in the day ran for office and served our country honorably as a U S Marine

00:31:27.960 went to Iraq. Um, so you know how to fight and you you've dabbled in politics. Like you've got some

00:31:33.060 experience behind these opinions. Um, whenever I listened to you, it makes me want to fight harder.

00:31:38.020 And it, it, it's a good counter to my natural inclination, which is, you know, I, I'm fine

00:31:44.840 with fighting, but I'm softer hearted. I think, um, the Mike, Mike Kelly brother, we're, we must be

00:31:51.620 related. We've talked about it before. We don't know. But in any event, sometimes I listen to you

00:31:55.380 and I'm like, you know what, he's got a point. Cause I'm like, well, we should try to be tolerant.

00:31:59.440 We should say pronouns, but then we should fight against child mutilation and that kind of thing.

00:32:03.660 But you, I, you know, you're kind of like MK, like pump the brakes because you know what tolerance

00:32:09.340 gets you in dealing with these people who are trying to destroy the, our way of living,

00:32:14.320 who don't want you to be in charge of what happens to your kid and so on. And I thought of you,

00:32:18.100 Jesse, when this, this soundbite was making the rounds on Twitter, courtesy of libs of Tik TOK.

00:32:22.020 And I was like, Jesse Kelly is right. It's right. Again, watch this. This is where the pronoun thing

00:32:29.120 is going. Hello. I'm not Magpie. I'm Tal, but I can explain. So Magpie's pronoun set is it,

00:32:35.420 Bug, Dirt, they, right? It and they are used normally. So its name is Magpie. The sweater

00:32:40.980 belongs to it and it was going by itself. And then their name is Magpie. This belongs to them.

00:32:46.060 They were going by themselves. For Bug, it would be Bug's name is Magpie. The sweater belongs to Bug.

00:32:50.600 Bug was going by Bug's self. And then for Dirt, it would be Dirt is Magpie. The sweater belongs

00:32:55.120 to Dirt. Dirt was going by Dirt's self. You can use these interchangeably in a sentence.

00:32:59.120 You can use just one of them, or you can use different ones at different times.

00:33:02.620 Hope this helps.

00:33:04.260 Hope this helps explain the new pronouns Bug and Dirt and how they, we have to use those

00:33:09.360 now instead of just she, he, they, what, I mean, there's no end.

00:33:12.500 Well, there's no end. And that's why, I mean, you brought up your soft part, Megan,

00:33:15.800 you want to be more like you than like me. I understand that I'm a cold individual. I really

00:33:20.200 do understand that. But I also do understand the mind of these people and where this is going. We,

00:33:25.260 we, we, we tolerate them, right? We want to be kind. And that's something you want to be. I want

00:33:30.040 my sons to be kind. I want them to have soft hearts. I want them to be that, but I also want

00:33:34.860 them to understand when they're dealing with somebody who is their mortal enemy and treat

00:33:39.860 them as a mortal enemy. Once you've been proven of that, we're not dealing with people who, who just

00:33:44.920 feel like we need a different color of drapes in the house. Let's just, we just have a different

00:33:49.060 opinion on the drape color. We're dealing with people who want to burn down the house and they're going to

00:33:54.120 try to burn down the house. You have to assess what you're dealing with. We're dealing with people

00:33:59.260 who want the destruction of every single part of your culture that you value. That is their religion.

00:34:05.280 That is what they believe. For whatever reason, we have these different malcontents and they want to

00:34:10.000 destroy it all. Well, I can't be tolerant of that. I'm not going to be tolerant of that. You want to

00:34:14.760 destroy what I love. I don't want you to. We're going to have to fight about it. And then we'll figure

00:34:18.680 out who wins in the end. One of the, I mean, the biggest issues for the left, the woke left in

00:34:25.900 their lectures is climate change. And we've seen a fair amount of that recently. I mean, it's, it's

00:34:30.640 what's happening over with the Dutch farmers. Now they are actually starting to seize the Dutch

00:34:35.200 farmers farms. They refuse to take the buyouts. And so they're just going to lose their farms because

00:34:39.240 they've decided, well, too many emissions from your farm and you're near an environmentally sensitive

00:34:43.280 area. And therefore we're taking your farm. Good luck making your future living. It's really not

00:34:48.160 our concern. I know we, we had, um, we went into this in depth last Friday and it's really, we worry

00:34:52.700 that that's a canary in the coal mine because we have woke activists over here who are obsessed with

00:34:57.080 climate change, who would in a second, in a second, take American farms if they thought they could get

00:35:02.080 away with it. Um, it's a cause near and dear to the heart of Prince Harry, Jesse, who was honored in

00:35:11.520 New York last night, not withstanding his past swastika wearing as a Halloween costume and his

00:35:16.540 use of, um, racial slurs against his fellow, uh, platoon mates. He was honored for his anti-racist

00:35:24.000 behaviors. Um, and on his way to receive his honor, he took a private jet. Then he got into a gas guzzling

00:35:32.680 SUV. Then he was part of a convoy of SUVs, which I think numerous numbered, uh, was it three or six

00:35:41.040 uh, SUVs that they always fought. It was three SUVs accompanied by five security guards after

00:35:46.200 their private jet. And all I could think of was this little soundbite from Prince Harry, same man

00:35:52.120 at the UN in July, a Nelson Mandela international day. Listen to this.

00:35:58.880 This has been a painful year in a painful decade. We're living through a pandemic that continues to

00:36:06.420 ravage communities in every corner of the globe. Climate change wreaking havoc on our planet with

00:36:13.940 the most vulnerable suffering most of all. And I am the one perpetrating it. So I'm sure he'd want

00:36:22.400 you to give up your SUV. He doesn't want you in a private jet, but you know, for him, it's a different

00:36:26.540 story. He's a Royal. Oh, well, well, people should understand this way of thinking goes way beyond

00:36:32.380 princes. They all think they're princes now, Megan. We were fond of doing this on the right

00:36:37.700 where I'm on the right. We point out hypocrisy, right? That's what, uh, conservatism has been

00:36:42.580 most of my life. I was a hypocrite. Look at this hypocrite. Look what a hypocrite he is. He's not a

00:36:46.940 hypocrite. All right. He's not a hypocrite at all. He sees himself as a King and a queen. He sees you

00:36:53.440 as a peasant. He's not a hypocrite. Of course, the Kings and Queens get access to gas guzzling SUVs

00:36:59.540 and private jets. And they're going to tell you to eat bugs and enjoy the bug soup while they sip on,

00:37:05.020 you know, champagne and eat filet mignon. But it's not hypocrisy at all. Kings and Queens get access

00:37:11.240 to things. Peasants do not. Because he's a King and Queen, he gets to decide what you believe.

00:37:17.000 He gets to decide what you're allowed to say, what guns you're allowed to own, what car you're allowed to

00:37:20.920 drive, what job you're allowed to do, because that's what Kings and Queens do. You peasant,

00:37:25.600 you don't get access to the thing Kings and Queens do. We saw this during COVID all the time when every

00:37:30.220 single Tom, Dick and Harry lockdown politician got caught on somebody's cell phone camera the next

00:37:34.920 night out partying with no mass hugging people. It wasn't hypocrisy. It was never hypocrisy. It was

00:37:40.460 them being above you. The leaders of the West used to see themselves as the Knights protecting

00:37:45.920 freedom. Now they see themselves as Kings and Queens, and they find your freedoms to be

00:37:51.460 ridiculous. All of them, definitely your climate freedom. And I want people to understand what this

00:37:55.400 looks like in practice because they, I get people yelling at me sometimes because I call these people

00:37:59.240 communists, even though that's clearly what they are. And I believe it's Oxfordshire County. I don't

00:38:04.100 know. I'm not from that place, but it's over there in the UK. They're doing a test run in 2024 of

00:38:09.320 climate lockdowns. You didn't think we were done with a lockdown thing, did you? And here's what it

00:38:13.700 looks like. They're going to divide Oxfordshire County into six zones. They are then going to

00:38:20.200 set up checkpoints and the main roads between the zones. And you have so many times you're allowed

00:38:26.240 to travel in between the zones and they will determine who gets a travel pass and who does

00:38:31.780 not get a travel pass. Papers, please. Do you really still think you're not dealing with communists?

00:38:37.200 That's exactly what all these people are. That is scary. And honestly, back to the Dutch farmers,

00:38:41.960 you're starting to see the extreme ends of this, of this just moral insanity.

00:38:49.200 He's not the only one, Prince Harry lecturing us. I don't know if you caught the Jane Fonda clip

00:38:53.180 on MSNBC with Ari Melber, but you may not be. I know you're very worried about feminism

00:38:58.280 and toxic masculinity. So this clip is for you, Mr. Kelly. Jane Fonda, Hanoid Jane has got thoughts

00:39:05.860 on the true root cause of climate change. Listen.

00:39:10.640 I learned more about climate as I really dig deep, as I have for the last four or five years.

00:39:16.160 What you realize is if there were no racism, there'd be no climate crisis.

00:39:23.200 If there was no misogyny, there'd be no climate crisis. It's a, it's part of a mindset.

00:39:28.600 It's the mindset that looks at a woman and says, nice tits.

00:39:38.820 Megan, one, it pains me to say this about that woman who I loathe, but she does.

00:39:44.700 She's still really hot, especially at that age. Credit to Jane Fonda for being so hot.

00:39:49.620 And it's hard for a feminist to be that hot for that long because bitterness,

00:39:53.660 it ages you faster than a two pack a day cigarette habit. I have it on good authority. She's had

00:39:59.240 some work done, but FYI, don't ask her about it. You know what? Oh, I'm shocked because her

00:40:04.600 cheeks don't move anymore. But still, I mean, credit to Jane Fonda for that. But everything,

00:40:09.300 I'm actually glad she brought that up. It goes back to something I talk about a lot, how we think,

00:40:14.240 we think about these different branches of the American left, American communists, what I call them,

00:40:19.620 but we think about feminists, right? We think about the feminists and the civil rights hustlers,

00:40:23.480 and the LGBTQ and the mob and the climate change people. And we think about them as if they're

00:40:29.200 different, as if they're definitely different. They're definitely separate. No, these people

00:40:32.580 just care about the planet. These people want women's rights. And they're not separate at all.

00:40:37.700 There's a reason they seem separate, yet they always end up working together and working with

00:40:43.180 one another because they're not separate. They're all one group with one goal. What they're doing is

00:40:48.980 they sell separate things to find separate malcontents. Everyone isn't a bitter feminist

00:40:54.460 with 10 cats. Some people are, but that's a way to bring you into the communist fold. So they go out

00:41:00.860 and say, hey, we'll sell you free cat litter. Just come join us. And then the cat ladies, the feminists

00:41:05.020 come on inside. Everyone isn't concerned about the planet warming or cooling who can track what they tell

00:41:11.240 you it's doing nowadays. But some people are. So you tell them, hey, we'll fix it. You bring into the

00:41:16.080 fold. It's just the old group of malcontents. That's all communism is brought into the big

00:41:20.840 tent. And they're all told, just give me power and I'll punish the people you blame for your

00:41:25.600 problems. There it is. You know, on the subject of Meghan and Harry last night, they got up there,

00:41:31.620 they got this ridiculous award. I mean, truly, like, what have they done to fight racism? I mean,

00:41:35.460 she basically gave an interview to Oprah. So, OK. But she she had an interesting remark that was just,

00:41:43.260 of course, once again, clueless. She talked about how this is the beginning. She was quoting RFK,

00:41:48.920 the original RFK Jr. was like, what the hell are they? Are the Kennedys honoring these losers for?

00:41:54.440 He goes. The only upside is it's better than their honoree last year or the year before,

00:41:58.800 which was Fauci. It's the other Kennedys. It's his sister, the another child of RFK, the OG. And she

00:42:06.640 says this is the beginning. This is the just the beginning of their work on anti-racism and talked

00:42:12.480 about sweeping down the walls of oppression, sweeping down the mightiest walls of oppression,

00:42:19.660 quoting RFK. Jesse, they're oppressed. Are they oppressed? Like, of course, she speaks of herself,

00:42:26.440 which we can tell from her trailer and her movie and so on. The fact that you've got an actual prince

00:42:32.080 and a duchess up there saying how they are the ones who are going to fight the walls of oppression.

00:42:37.620 And by that, they just mean the mean royal family that didn't give them everything they wanted in

00:42:41.220 their castle. We've really jumped the shark. Well, it's our culture now today, Megan. Isn't it so sad

00:42:48.020 to watch victim actually be the highest status one can achieve? You see this over and over and over

00:42:53.960 again. So bizarre to me. I guess it's just because I was raised differently, you know, overcome,

00:42:58.160 you know, don't whine, don't complain. You go make it happen. You go succeed. That is what you want.

00:43:02.640 Success. You go work hard for it. And in our culture now, we're so twisted up and backwards

00:43:07.920 that we have these people that are success stories, both princes and Americans all over the place,

00:43:13.720 like the success story you could possibly. It's the greatest success. LeBron James,

00:43:18.700 greatest example of this horrible childhood, no father and overcomes all that. He's a billionaire now.

00:43:24.480 One of the greatest basketball players ever. Dude, you are awesome. You are the shining light

00:43:29.460 of what you can do in America. And what's LeBron James want to be? Victim. He must be a victim.

00:43:34.640 Not racist. Everyone's racist. This is racist against me. He has all that, all this. He has

00:43:39.780 everything. And he wants to be a victim because that is what our culture values above all else.

00:43:45.520 As soon as these people get rich and famous and successful, they almost have like this weird

00:43:50.660 survivor's guilt about it, that they haven't been victims. And that's really what they need to be.

00:43:55.100 It's really gross. And it's, it's interesting raising a kid in this environment for sure.

00:43:59.280 And on top of it, then they feel the need to turn around and rip on our country,

00:44:02.900 rip on the very place that gave them all of those riches and made all of that success possible.

00:44:07.980 You know, Michelle Obama is a great example. Last week or last month, she's out there talking about

00:44:12.600 how she thought about wearing her hair and its natural state in braids. She said when she was

00:44:17.900 first lady, but she's like, nope, they're not ready. You know, this, this country of racists

00:44:22.860 that elected my husband to as president of the United States, that would be a bridge too far

00:44:28.080 for them to see my natural hair. That's what she thinks of us.

00:44:32.340 That's what she's always thought. I remember that soundbite too. They ain't ready y'all. I remember,

00:44:36.740 oh, I remember her saying it very, very well. This woman who rose from Chicago and is now,

00:44:42.680 I believe they're worth something like a hundred million dollars or something like that.

00:44:45.880 That former first lady of the United States of America has been photographed on gigantic yachts,

00:44:51.600 including Oprah's out there, travels to planet on private jets, sipping champagne and eating steak.

00:44:57.720 And she still thinks this place sucks. This place just is an evil place. And she hasn't been given

00:45:03.980 a fair shake. It is, it has become the highest achievement of our culture. And it's so poisonous,

00:45:11.140 Megan. It's so terrible for people. You see it now because like when they see that,

00:45:15.080 it really does have a huge effect on a culture. When you see that from Michelle Obama or someone

00:45:19.920 like that, it's a great example. What do kids see? What do teenagers see? Especially teenagers

00:45:24.600 without a strong parent relationship, a strong parent unit at home that's teaching them appropriate

00:45:30.500 values. What do they see? What do they want? They want to be victims too. It's their ultimate goal

00:45:35.400 in life. It's really terrible for us. Oh my God. Wait, I've just got to get this in.

00:45:39.820 Did you see, I feel like you might've tweeted about this shark week, shark week,

00:45:45.340 somebody did a study, a study on all the years of shark week and determined that it's too white,

00:45:53.260 not the sharks, not like, you know, we need less great whites. They need less whites on shark week

00:45:59.900 programming and too many guys named Mike. I'm like, this has to be a joke. Is this a troll? Did this

00:46:05.240 actually happen? Well, it goes to show there are people that are so sick out there. They can

00:46:11.560 actually watch shark week. And instead of watching like you watch or like I watch, oh, wow, that's a

00:46:16.280 big shark. I'm never going to swim again. Instead, they're counting just how many whiteys there are

00:46:20.740 out there. What a country we've become. So, so very proud. Uh, I'll tell you a funny story. My mom

00:46:28.360 had my two older kids at one point that was just a baby and they were maybe five and four or six and

00:46:34.420 four. And I said, mom, you got them like, you know, they're little, whatever. She's like, I got

00:46:38.420 them. We're going to play board games. We're going to play charades. And we picked up our kids after

00:46:42.020 two days. And they're, they're like, apparently the charades stopped the moment we left. It turned

00:46:46.380 into nonstop television, watching ice cream, cookies, cupcakes, candy. And my mom with a nonstop

00:46:51.800 shark week marathon saying, and it's all real. It's all real. Yes. That show has really jumped

00:47:00.480 the shark. If you'll pardon the horrible pun. I last time I watched was two or three years ago

00:47:04.820 and they did a whole show that I bought Hilkline and sinker. And then they tell you at the end,

00:47:08.580 yeah, we made this whole thing up about some giant shark that was eating all the others. I'm so bummed

00:47:13.500 out. I wanted that to be true, Megan. I'm just saying like my mom, that's how we Kelly's are raised.

00:47:18.220 They scare the living daylights out of you. At a very young age, get them trained early.

00:47:23.020 It's a tough world and you got to toughen up. Jesse Kelly, always a pleasure. Great to see you.

00:47:27.820 See you, mate. All right. When we come back, our pal Buck Saxton joins us. Don't miss that.

00:47:31.940 And he's going to have some thoughts on this FBI situation. You know, he was at the CIA for a while.

00:47:38.860 Well, Time Magazine has named its person of the year. Who is it? We'll get to that with our next guest,

00:47:44.660 Buck Sexton, former CIA officer and co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Great to have

00:47:51.260 you back, Buck. So it is Zelensky. It is a Volodymyr Volensky, Zelensky of Ukraine. I guess

00:47:58.660 that's not surprising. What do you make of the choice? It would have been the one that I gave

00:48:03.540 the best odds for. I think it's clear that there's a huge, well, maybe there's a bit of a cult

00:48:11.000 around Zelensky in the West specifically. Look, there's a lot about this that I think doesn't fit

00:48:17.060 into the traditional left-right paradigm in this country, even though that's the way people are

00:48:23.620 speaking about it and thinking about it all the time. I feel like anytime anyone says it's complicated

00:48:29.460 or there's nuance, they get booed by everybody these days. But there really are in terms of what

00:48:35.420 our interests are, where I think our interests coincide very much with Ukraine, where things go

00:48:42.140 too far. And it's just turned into, for a lot of people, particularly a lot of Democrats, you put up

00:48:48.560 five Ukraine flags, you triple mask, and you get to think you're a better person than everybody else.

00:48:53.400 Could they even find Donetsk on a map? No, but who cares?

00:48:57.300 Right, right. Good point. Well, at least it's not Liz Cheney, who was on the short list

00:49:01.720 right next to him. I mean, can you imagine? They actually thought it might be Liz Cheney.

00:49:07.440 I keep seeing these people who may, it's really pretty hilarious. They make this case

00:49:13.760 that they're the real conservatives, that the Republican Party should turn to them.

00:49:21.020 And if you just give it enough time, and usually, by the way, there's a break that occurs. It usually

00:49:26.360 has to do with Trump. But you give it enough time, and eventually, they're on MSNBC. And their only

00:49:35.100 job in life, or over at CNN, is to make fun of all Republicans, and talk about how Republicans are

00:49:41.680 extremists on this and that. And then they've made the full switch. I think that's where Liz Cheney is.

00:49:47.580 I mean, for all of her talk about principle, it really was just about Liz Cheney, and the Cheney name.

00:49:53.360 And you see this over and over again. So I'm glad it wasn't her. I will say that. I'm happy that Liz

00:49:59.480 Cheney wasn't the one that they decided to go with. Although, also, does Time Magazine even exist

00:50:04.420 beyond the Time person of the year at this point? I can't even remember the last time, Megan, that I

00:50:09.320 read a Time article, honestly. No. And I spent all day reading this. I agree with you. Yeah, that's what

00:50:14.800 I mean. Just never even see it. They're not in the national conversation. I will say, while we're on the

00:50:19.180 subject of Liz Cheney, interesting visual, I think it was yesterday, as they paid tribute to the Capitol

00:50:28.660 Hill police officers who dealt with the January 6th riot. And that's fine. I can't help. I'm glad that

00:50:36.340 they're paying tribute to the cops who fought the mob. I am. But to me, it's just it's so hard to cheer

00:50:42.220 this on because the people doing the honoring, the people pushing this, those Democrats, they hate

00:50:47.780 cops. Who are they kidding? They couldn't have cared less when those cops took batons in the face and got

00:50:53.020 shot dead during the Black Lives Matter protests. Only because it was a political issue do they now feel

00:50:58.380 the need to pretend that they're celebratory of law enforcement. So there's like a little bit of a

00:51:02.940 there's a, you know, it sticks in my craw because I know it's not sincere on their part.

00:51:09.500 Well, of course not. I'm, I'm a student of the Russian revolution and Marxism and the, the early

00:51:19.380 days of the Bolshevik. This is why I don't, I do have a fiance, but I don't have much of a social life.

00:51:24.380 So I read about these things for fun on a regular basis. And I just bring it up because the extremism,

00:51:32.040 the everything for the revolution, nothing outside the revolution mindset is different here in America,

00:51:39.000 but for a lot of people on the left, it's absolutely present. There is no principle. There

00:51:43.280 is no, uh, there's no matter of, of honor or integrity that is not secondary to what is best

00:51:50.280 for the Democrat party in the moment. Uh, the truth is, as we all know, the fact is that officer Sicknick

00:51:56.280 died of a stroke days after an event that was yes, a riot, but absent blunt force trauma, which is what

00:52:03.580 they told us he died of originally. Remember that it was the fire extinguisher, which was a horrific

00:52:08.740 story. And people initially reacted to it with the outrage that it deserves. That was a lie, a total

00:52:14.480 lie. Um, I've been to a lot of obviously covering them, not partaking in them, black lives matter,

00:52:20.640 protests, Antifa riots. I've seen what they do. And I can assure everyone watching that if a police

00:52:27.560 officer died of a heart attack or a stroke a week later, nobody would say that BLM had murdered that

00:52:33.320 person. Right now there was a lot of violence against cops in the summer of 2020, uh, outright

00:52:38.780 violence. I like to remind everybody, cause I think they should be reminded that it was a tactic of

00:52:43.280 Antifa, particularly in Portland, uh, to try to blind police officers with lasers. And I've said this

00:52:50.620 before, if somebody was actively trying to blind me to take away my sight, uh, I would feel justified

00:52:56.000 using extreme levels of force in opposition to that. So what happened at the Capitol, there's a

00:53:02.480 few, a few layers to it. I think one, you see that there are people who buy into the narrative that all

00:53:08.100 Republicans are guilty of the insurrection, even though 99% of Republicans that I know immediately

00:53:15.020 said, not only is this wrong, it's a blunder. Not only was this, um, something you shouldn't do the

00:53:21.180 riot, but it was stupid for the cause. Uh, but beyond that, uh, there is no principle, Megan,

00:53:26.660 because violence against police is not something that the Democrat party, uh, spends any time

00:53:32.100 thinking about or worried about unless it is January six. And we've all seen that. And I think

00:53:36.380 that family members acting as props for the Democrat agenda. It's sad. It's their right.

00:53:41.720 Let's talk about that. That's where we are.

00:53:42.940 Let me interrupt because we haven't gotten to that. The audience may not know what we're talking about.

00:53:45.480 And that is the family of Brian Sicknick, uh, the officer you referenced who did not die during

00:53:50.740 the Capitol Hill riot, but, um, a day or two thereafter. And he had a stroke and they determined

00:53:56.240 it was natural causes, but there may have been a contributing factor with some pepper spray that,

00:54:01.200 uh, he inhaled the day of the riot. Um, his family shows up, we're showing video for the listening

00:54:06.920 audience right now. His family refused to shake the hand of Mitch McConnell. I mean, here,

00:54:12.340 Mitch McConnell's got his hand out, ready to shake their hands. I know Kevin

00:54:15.260 McCarthy, um, you know, the, the Republican leaders in the, in the Senate and the house

00:54:19.080 respectively. And they just refused to shake their hands. And it was just a, they shook Nancy

00:54:24.460 Pelosi's hand and Chuck Schumer's hand. It was just such a low moment. It was just such a low

00:54:29.860 moment for them not to shake the hands. They, these lawmakers got out there, were ready to greet

00:54:33.800 the families, pay tribute to Brian Sicknick and the other cops. And they refused to so much as

00:54:40.880 for a handshake. And then one of the family members, the brother of officer Sicknick went on, um, CBS news

00:54:48.760 and explained, Oh, okay. He was just speaking to him. But in any event, he explained why,

00:54:55.200 why they did that. Listen here.

00:54:56.680 They came out right away and condemned what happened on January 6th. And whatever

00:55:03.720 hold that Trump has on them, they've backstepped, they've danced. They won't admit to wrongdoing,

00:55:11.680 not necessarily them themselves, but of Trump, all the rioters. And that's the way everything my

00:55:17.040 brother's done. Basically, my brother, the heroism, my brother's shown. You don't think you don't think

00:55:24.420 they deserved a handshake in this context? No, no, definitely not. No, because they,

00:55:29.500 because unlike Bush Cheney, they have no idea what integrity is. They can't stand up for what's right

00:55:35.240 and wrong. But it's no, with them, it's party first. I mean, these are not, these are not guys who

00:55:42.840 have failed to condemn January 6th. They didn't vote for Trump's impeachment. Right. But he's not

00:55:48.480 talking about, you know, sort of the hardcore Trump supporters to Mitch McConnell. Uh, what is,

00:55:53.980 so that's what you're, you're making reference to that they're being used. I mean, I'm, I'm sorry

00:55:59.060 that it is. I'm sorry that his brother died of a stroke. Um, but his political analysis is delusional.

00:56:03.900 And this is a tactic the Democrats have used for as long as, I mean, as long as I can remember,

00:56:08.800 uh, you will probably recall the so-called nine 11 widows. Now I say so-called, because I think

00:56:14.880 there were four of them. And as we all know, there were a whole lot more than that, who were

00:56:18.780 widowed by the events of nine 11, but they claim to speak for everybody who was lost on nine 11 and

00:56:24.780 campaign commercials for John Kerry. And they were trying to weaponize their message and their grief

00:56:29.260 saying essentially nine 11 happened because George Bush is a bad president. And then anytime someone

00:56:34.140 says, well, hold on a second, that's, that's one that's absurd. And two, that's entirely unfair. It

00:56:40.100 was, why aren't you listening to the widows speak? They're speaking to their grief and their truth. And

00:56:45.360 then a lot of other people who lost family members on nine 11 came out and said, well, they don't speak

00:56:49.900 for me. So this is a, this is a tactic that the Democrats love to use. By the way, I don't think

00:56:55.180 that that failure to shake the hands was something that just happened on the spot. I think that they had

00:56:59.640 planned to do that beforehand. Um, I wouldn't be surprised if they had spoken to some Democrats

00:57:04.940 either officially or unofficially who had said, you know, what would be a good idea? But I

00:57:08.640 obviously can't prove that. I'm just saying I wouldn't, that wouldn't shock me if it came out

00:57:12.460 that that were the case. Uh, but whether it's Greta Thunberg, remember use a 16 year old that

00:57:17.580 convinced the world what to do with climate change and trillions of dollars of wealth. But if you don't

00:57:23.420 go along with this lunacy, you're child bashing, you're a bad person. Uh, they do this all the

00:57:29.020 time. It's very tiresome. Um, and, and in this case, honestly, I think that it just showed that

00:57:35.280 unfortunately playing the I'll bend the knee and condemn as often as you want game just plays into

00:57:41.020 the hands of the worst elements of the Democrat party. I condemned January 6th as it was happening

00:57:45.620 in real time. Anyone who knows anybody in the conservative movement and has any, uh, of any

00:57:51.080 integrity or respect knows that it was a bad idea. It was terrible. And they condemned it where the

00:57:55.300 condemnations of BLM riots that lasted for months, including in my own neighborhood

00:57:59.260 that shattered, uh, shattered store windows, injured police officers, some seriously. I think

00:58:05.540 there were a couple of dozen people who lost their lives in those riots overall, uh, when they

00:58:09.560 tabulated it at the end of police officers, there's been no condemnation. Well, what, what is it? Is it

00:58:15.060 that the Republicans aren't as good at playing that game? You know, the Republicans don't demand

00:58:19.680 that you apologize for supporting BLM and letting them terrorize the nation in summer of 2020 and

00:58:25.820 hurting a lot of cops. They don't demand it. Is it that they don't know how to play the game or is it

00:58:29.840 that they don't control enough industries that run the national conversation to, to make that behavior

00:58:34.780 a game changer? Oh, it's definitely, it's a combination. Um, the latter part or the second

00:58:41.240 part that you bring up, I think is, is the more, more obvious one in that they just have so many more

00:58:48.320 artillery pieces to bring to the battlefield of propaganda, uh, that they can effectively flood

00:58:53.880 the zone. And so even the most obtuse, absurd or untrue messaging over time, they just have an

00:59:01.540 advantage in getting people to start to believe it and also to make people, um, obey or to make

00:59:08.040 people respond to it. Right. I mean, if you, you could have one person in conservative media ask a

00:59:12.980 democratic question once he could ignore it. Well, if, if 95% of journalists, cause they're all

00:59:18.260 Democrats or asking a Republican the same question, it's much more likely to respond to it. But then

00:59:23.500 I also believe, um, that there is, I think that there's a connection between being a Democrat and

00:59:29.400 some degree, or being, I should say, a true believer, Democrat and leftist these days, and some

00:59:34.360 degree of, of emotional instability and a belief that emotion is more important than reason. And if

00:59:40.380 you feel something very passionately and deeply, it doesn't matter whether or not it's true that the

00:59:46.200 fulfillment of your emotional needs through politics is actually much more important than

00:59:50.720 any argument, than data, than principle, than the law. And I think you see that playing out in a whole,

00:59:55.660 in a whole range of ways. So people are willing to use the, I'm a victim. How dare you criticize me

01:00:00.980 on the left, um, much more readily than you'll see on the right, just based on the psychology,

01:00:06.300 I think of the two groups at the macro level. Well, this discussion of our institutions of January 6th

01:00:11.880 and of this victimhood mentality, bring me quite neatly to Yoel Roth, the guy at Twitter,

01:00:18.480 discussed him a little bit in our first hour, former head of trust and safety, head of trust and

01:00:23.120 safety, fail, sir, fail. Um, who, uh, gave an interview talking about some of their censorship

01:00:29.580 decisions and discussed the day of January 6th for, you know, his team in the most personal of terms.

01:00:37.020 Here it is at a 10. Donald Trump. That one, I don't think was a mistake. January 6th.

01:00:44.160 So it, it starts on the 6th, but it also starts prior to that. The events of the 6th happen. And,

01:00:50.700 um, if you talk to content moderators who worked on January 6th, myself included the word that nearly

01:00:57.160 everybody uses is trauma. We, we experienced those events, not some of us as Americans, but not just as

01:01:04.420 Americans or as citizens, but as people working on sort of how to prevent harm on the internet.

01:01:10.680 It's unbelievable. I'm sure it was traumatic for the cops, not for you. You're sitting out in

01:01:17.160 California in an office that's probably decorated in flowers and you're eating your kale and having

01:01:22.780 your little latte and you were not traumatized by anything. We were just talking about emotional

01:01:29.400 instability of the lives like 60 seconds ago. And here you have somebody that this is exactly what

01:01:35.660 I'm talking about. I didn't even know you were going to play that clip. Somebody who thinks that

01:01:38.760 I'm really emotionally upset by something. Therefore, I'm going to abandon the promise to the users of

01:01:45.840 Twitter that we've made that this is a free speech based platform. Um, I'm going to, uh, abandon the

01:01:51.940 notion that I shouldn't put my hand on the scale for one side or the other in a politically and to

01:01:58.600 get rid of a sitting president from your platform. And look, that was in a sense, I'm, I'm happy that

01:02:04.640 they did it. Um, it was important. It was wake up time for conservatives all across the country.

01:02:12.080 It was the, the crossing of the Rubicon moment. They picked a sitting president off of not even just

01:02:19.400 Twitter, but Facebook, I think Pinterest. So whatever the latest, uh, arrangements of petunias

01:02:26.620 that Donald Trump wanted to share no longer, no longer able to can't, can't show how he

01:02:31.900 arranges his tea cozies in the white house or whatever on Pinterest. I mean, it was truly

01:02:36.140 bonkers stuff. And they also, uh, they also went after parlor on, on completely false pretenses.

01:02:43.560 Remember that they kicked parlor off of, uh, Amazon web services, uh, the servers effectively

01:02:49.820 de-internetted, uh, a company that was trying to just be a free speech based platform.

01:02:54.620 So this is what happens. I mean, yep. Keep going. I was just saying Facebook.

01:03:01.500 No, I was just going to say this is what happens when you, you mentioned platform dominance.

01:03:05.340 And when we got to the point where they felt invincible, so they became really aggressive

01:03:10.960 and at some level sloppy with the way that they were engaged in this kind of propaganda,

01:03:15.780 because what Twitter had been doing, Twitter had been doing this for a long time. It's just that

01:03:20.120 they used to lie about it and say, Oh, we don't actually shadow ban people, or we were not taking

01:03:25.660 action based upon political speech. Oh, they've been doing that for years. But a lot of it was

01:03:31.200 that I think they didn't want to get the heat. And there's also a value to the pretense that Twitter

01:03:36.820 is a free speech platform. So you would have, for example, people pushing certain ideas, you know,

01:03:42.580 let's say if you're a, a Democrat, CNN, cable news host, or MSNBC, or, you know, you name it,

01:03:49.640 uh, you're able to push these ideas. And there's this belief that you're following and your reach

01:03:55.400 and all these things are organic. It's just a lie, right? I mean, this is like somebody who's entering

01:04:00.140 the sprinting contest or the deadlifting contest who's taking steroids. Like it's, it's a fraud.

01:04:05.200 And so that was a component of the social media platforms for years, but then they just realized

01:04:10.180 why even go through the pretense? What are they, what are they going to do about it? And in the

01:04:14.220 2020 election, they reached the, what are you going to do about it? Deal with it. We own the internet.

01:04:19.560 That was the attitude. Yeah, that's exactly right. And, and, and I'm thinking about that guy

01:04:25.020 and his behavior in the context of our country right now, because I'll tell you about, you know,

01:04:30.740 I'm raising three young kids and two boys and a girl. And my daughter is definitely the most

01:04:37.200 empathetic of my three kids. All three of them have empathy for people who are hurting,

01:04:42.340 but my daughter probably not by accident. She's a girl, um, takes on other people's,

01:04:48.640 you know, hurt feelings or pain in a more profound way than my sons do. And I've talked to her about it

01:04:55.920 because being, you know, empathetic towards somebody is good, but taking on somebody else's

01:05:02.220 quote, trauma as your own is not good. That's not healthy. And I, I always say to her, you know,

01:05:09.680 honey, that is not your upset. Don't take on somebody else's upset. You can feel, um, sadness

01:05:17.060 for them that they're going through something. You can recognize injustice or a bad situation when you

01:05:21.200 see it, you know, somebody finds out you find out your friend's relative has cancer. You can feel

01:05:25.920 bad for them, but you can, there's a difference between then owning that, like saying it's my pain,

01:05:31.360 it's mine. And I will respond to it. Like it's my pain. That's this guy needed that lecture. This

01:05:36.320 Yoel Roth and his little workers at the trust and safety department needed to be taught that difference

01:05:41.280 because what we now have is perpetual victimhood. And we know that, but this is a little window into how

01:05:47.400 it happens. You see any upset in the world and you claim it as your own. You want the victimhood

01:05:53.620 status that comes with a wrong that's being done to somebody 2000 miles away.

01:06:00.720 Yes. Well, well, victimhood is a tool of narcissism and self-congratulation in our society. Now, I mean,

01:06:08.560 you're talking about normal childhood development, for example, for your daughter of wanting to help

01:06:12.720 people. What can I do? And, you know, that's just the maturation process that we all go through.

01:06:17.640 Right. I mean, you can't sit around if you see a homeless person. I mean, that's sad. But if you

01:06:23.380 spend the next three days crying because you couldn't do anything for the homeless person,

01:06:26.660 you're actually not helping yourself or that person or society. You know, you have to put these

01:06:31.200 things into a proper context. And I think that happens, obviously, as we all get older. I think that

01:06:37.220 what you see in this context of the victimization, the weaponization of victimhood is that people use

01:06:47.580 this as a means of getting clicks and likes and attention for themselves. But also, we were just

01:06:53.480 talking about this before, as a club with which they can bludgeon their ideological opponents,

01:06:57.960 a way to shame people into obedience. Victimhood is a form of power here. It is the taking of

01:07:04.320 the virtue of the other side and using it as a weapon against them. You know, there is a quote

01:07:12.840 from Frank Herbert, who wrote Dune, which I actually think is probably the greatest sci-fi novel of all

01:07:18.560 time. Actually made a pretty good movie of it recently, too. But it's from Children of Doom,

01:07:22.520 which I believe is the sequel, which I have not read. But the quote is, when I am weak, I demand

01:07:28.600 freedom because it is according to your values. When I am strong, I demand obedience because it is

01:07:33.060 according to my values. Essentially, using the goodness of the other side against it. And then

01:07:39.180 when the other side has no choice, make them do what you want them to do. I think that is the mantra

01:07:44.920 of the Democrat left writ large in America today. What do you make of James Baker and this revelation

01:07:52.620 by Barry and Matt Taibbi, Barry Weiss and Matt Taibbi, that he was the guy at Twitter as the deputy

01:08:01.300 general counsel up until Tuesday, yesterday, screening the documents that he was going to

01:08:07.500 turn over to Barry and Matt as part of Elon's effort to clean house, to be transparent about

01:08:16.380 what went down at Twitter. The same guy who was responsible for the suppression and who did all

01:08:21.020 sorts of nefarious shit at the FBI was the guy who was deciding what documents would in fact be

01:08:25.920 turned over to the journalists who were brought in to, you know, let what is that? The sunshine be

01:08:31.220 the best disinfectant. Well, he wasn't too keen on their sunshine from the look of it and got the

01:08:35.660 boot. But this guy is like the where's Waldo of suppression and censorship and nefarious behavior

01:08:43.960 when it comes to Donald Trump. Oh, it's hard to make this stuff up, right? I mean, first of all,

01:08:50.820 when you look at what Twitter was doing with things like the trust and safety committee,

01:08:56.600 it is as though they read Orwell's 1984, not as a warning, but as a how to book. Like maybe we

01:09:03.460 should just name it the, you know, the trust and safety committee, you know, that'll, that'll fool

01:09:08.380 everybody. The whole thing was, was absolutely absurd. And I always remind people that Google's

01:09:14.740 first slogan was don't be evil. It's like, aren't you a search engine and email company? Well,

01:09:20.020 actually they're a lot more powerful and a lot more than that, as we know, but there is, you

01:09:24.640 know, sometimes they don't protest too much. Sometimes you do come up against a little bit

01:09:29.180 more truth than they, they hope to share. And, and in the context of, and I'm like a mood to talk

01:09:36.180 about Soviet stuff today, but they refer to the entire system of oppression in the Soviet Union as

01:09:42.280 the apparatus. And I refer to the apparatus today in America as this is where you see the connection

01:09:48.940 between the deep state in the federal government, the unelected fourth branch of government, the

01:09:54.200 bureaucracy that is immensely powerful. And I used to work in it. So I have some familiarity with it

01:10:00.080 as a former CIA analyst. Then you connect that to media institutions. You connect that to corporate

01:10:08.580 America that has gone incredibly woke to academia. And you have these, these systems of, of control.

01:10:15.700 It's funny. The left thinks in terms of systems of control and levers of power and people on the

01:10:20.900 right are always thinking, can't we just all live in Liberty and be left alone and, you know,

01:10:25.440 go farm our fields and stop bothering me. And unfortunately that's why they seize power very

01:10:31.120 effectively in all these institutions that, that I just mentioned. And Twitter is another example of

01:10:35.800 this. I mean, to glide so seamlessly from being deep state, you know, actor number five and the whole

01:10:43.480 Russia collusion phenomenon to then being the chief lawyer of Twitter, it's like, you couldn't make

01:10:49.520 this stuff up. If this were a Hollywood screenplay, you'd say, that's just a little bit too cute.

01:10:53.900 And the fact that he was in any way involved in trying to vet what was coming out from Twitter at

01:10:58.720 the time, I mean, keep in mind, there is a real axis, a real connectivity between the social media

01:11:06.800 companies and the intelligence community, which again, I used to work for and still have many

01:11:10.240 friends on the inside. And they are horrified by the way, about both the wokeness and the politicization

01:11:15.800 of that community. It's, I think it's probably beyond repair at this point. You have the same kinds of

01:11:21.880 people that would have been going to work, you know, for left-wing NGOs and building wind farms 20

01:11:28.060 years ago. They're all working at the CIA and the FBI now. So people need to understand that.

01:11:33.300 And, and I think that once you see the connectivity and the way that these institutions are all working

01:11:40.640 together to push the same agenda, the same messaging, you, you recognize the work that the

01:11:45.860 right has to do here just to achieve balance. And people often talk to me about how do we win? I'm

01:11:49.720 like, how do we just get things where it's a more level playing field? Um, but what Elon Musk is

01:11:55.020 doing, I mean, he is, he has done more for free speech freedom and, and just reason and rationality

01:12:02.720 than anybody I can think of in the last decade. Honestly, I mean, it's, it's remarkable what he's

01:12:07.700 showing everybody. Um, I definitely want to ask you about the shadow banning cause this is, this is the

01:12:11.920 next shoe to drop you think over at Twitter. But before we get to that, let's spend some time on the CIA

01:12:16.580 because you've referenced your time in it and what's happening now, the collusion, the connectivity

01:12:21.460 between them and the social media. Um, okay. So now we've seen some of the Twitter files and we know

01:12:29.140 that the Twitter executives worked actively to suppress the Hunter Biden reporting by the New York

01:12:33.780 Post. Um, they did that at least in part because the FBI apparently came to them and said, beware of a

01:12:39.780 Russian disinformation op, uh, operation that's about to drop and, and may or may not have specifically

01:12:45.040 mentioned Hunter Biden. The FBI knew that that was, um, coming because they'd been given the Hunter

01:12:50.780 Biden laptop in 2019 by the computer repair guy. So, I mean, it really does smack of, they understood

01:12:57.680 this is coming. They understood it was real and then went and lied to the social media companies saying

01:13:02.560 it was disinformation, but maybe they didn't think it was real. Maybe they thought it was

01:13:06.260 disinformation. How, why would they think that even CBS news, even the New York times, even the

01:13:11.320 Washington Post were able to confirm that it was real. Um, namely because Hunter Biden didn't have

01:13:16.300 a complete freak out saying it's not real. Right. Anyway. Um, so let even the benefit of the doubt,

01:13:21.560 but, but, but, but here's where I'm going with it. 51 intelligence officials came out with a letter

01:13:26.780 after Twitter banned the report. Twitter made, you know, Twitter banned. And then we had the 51

01:13:32.740 intelligence, former intelligence officials come out and just went back and looked at it knowing you

01:13:38.180 were coming on. 43 of the 51 signatories were former CIA, 43 of the 51, five former CIA directors

01:13:46.780 signed the letter, Michael Hayden, Leon Panetta, John Brennan, and Michael Morrell. Um, and then

01:13:53.580 briefly acting John McLaughlin, uh, as well as a former director of national intelligence, James Clapper,

01:13:59.600 eight CIA intelligence officers, seven analysts, four chiefs of staff and assorted others.

01:14:04.120 And the, I worked for all of those directors, but one, by the way. So I knew them all work for them.

01:14:09.300 Yes. So the, the New York post in March of this year went back and this is, you know, this is right

01:14:15.880 around the time when the New York times and others were declaring it real and said, would you care to

01:14:22.120 update your opinion that you dropped 15 days before an election that this was Russian disinformation?

01:14:27.140 It was really stunning. James Clapper, Mr. Not Wittingly. Um, he said, yes, I stand by the

01:14:34.380 statement made at the time. At the time it was appropriate. Uh, you got another guy, Russ Travers,

01:14:39.740 former national counterterrorism center acting director. Um, the cautionary warning at the time

01:14:43.960 was prudent. Andy Lipman, former national counterterrorism center deputy director. I do stand by

01:14:50.500 the statement, but I'm kind of busy right now. He told the post, David Price, a former CIA analyst and

01:14:56.860 manager. I have no further comment at this time. Don Hepburn, former national security

01:15:00.440 executive. Uh, my position has not changed any. I can't tell you what part is real and

01:15:06.660 what part is fake, but the thesis still stands for me that it was immediate influence hit

01:15:12.240 job. Hello, Don. Hello, Don. You're wrong. You were wrong. Then you remain wrong. And it

01:15:17.460 goes on from the, it's incredible buck. No one, not least of which Leon and, you know, um,

01:15:23.620 John Brennan, all those guys, they, they haven't taken one step off of what they said. Nevermind,

01:15:29.320 apologize for misleading us. Right. Well, Megan, they accomplished the mission.

01:15:35.920 They get a high five. They get five, they get five stars. They, they did exactly what they were

01:15:42.040 supposed to do. All of those people knew at some level or knew entirely all those former intelligence

01:15:49.620 officials knew that they were lying. They are not that stupid. I worked with these people,

01:15:55.000 literally worked with a number of them. Um, they're not stupid, but they were playing politics

01:16:00.400 and they knew that it was necessary to completely sacrifice their credibility and their integrity

01:16:07.540 to try to help a doddering buffoon like Joe Biden across the finish line, full stop. This

01:16:14.500 is also why you'll know nobody has had any action taken against them. There hasn't been any firing

01:16:21.400 of somebody who was a contributor at NBC or CNN. There hasn't been any pushback again from the

01:16:27.840 apparatus for these people making laughable fools of themselves. It was, it was never credible that

01:16:34.460 this was, this was fake or Russian disinformation because if it were Russian disinformation, uh, if it

01:16:40.300 were, for example, what we saw in 2016, which was a minute, you know, a tiny little speck in the

01:16:48.400 Facebook spectrum of some Russian posts about Hillary Clinton or something, you know, they can tell

01:16:53.980 the people can look at them and you could realize there are misspellings and there are things like

01:16:57.520 this. It would be so easy, um, to see. And the moment you see one thing that's fake on the laptop,

01:17:03.120 well, then you can disregard the whole thing that you could have shown this was fake in five minutes

01:17:07.080 if you were a serious person, but they weren't serious people. They were only doing what they

01:17:11.040 were supposed to do for the Democrat party. They were acting as operatives, just like they would

01:17:15.920 have been intelligence operatives before they were acting as operatives for the DNC. And so this was to

01:17:21.520 their benefit, but you would think right, Megan, that on an issue to be that wrong, right? It's like,

01:17:26.240 if you were managing somebody's money and you're like, I'm betting it all on a housing crash

01:17:30.040 and it didn't come. In fact, houses tripled in price. People wouldn't trust you anymore,

01:17:33.440 right? All of those people advance their careers. Um, that story is not over. We're going to get

01:17:41.220 more reporting from Barry and Matt and we're going to learn more. Uh, they haven't yet revealed the

01:17:46.340 FBI warning. We know that from Twitter executives, testimonials who are saying we were warned by the

01:17:51.980 FBI, but that hasn't yet come out directly from Elon. We'll see. Uh, the Twitter filing reporting has

01:17:57.240 just begun. Let's talk about shadow banning because that's another thing. So many conservatives,

01:18:01.760 and to be honest, I also feel that I was on this list. Um, it, I have no idea. I have nothing to

01:18:07.740 base this on with respect to myself other than the following for like two years. Um, I didn't get it

01:18:16.060 like a single follower, not an additional thought, not like one. All right. Now that's just not,

01:18:20.640 that's not normal. I've got like 2.6 million followers. You're telling me that just suddenly

01:18:25.000 it all stopped. Like it doesn't make sense. I was tweeting, whatever. Um, and then as soon as Elon

01:18:29.720 takes over, like I went up hundreds of thousands, it just doesn't make sense, but I don't know what

01:18:35.920 happened, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn. Someone had a thumb on the suppression

01:18:41.520 of my account, whatever. And I'm not even a conservative, right? Like there are people who

01:18:47.100 are actual conservatives and really outspoken on Twitter who have horror stories about this way

01:18:51.740 worse than the one I just told you, but I'm just offering mine just as backup to people who I know

01:18:55.580 don't have a voice. Well, I can tell you, um, that I have a few people that I know, uh, in the

01:19:03.580 social media realm who I work with and work with some other people that you and I, Megan, both know

01:19:08.300 in common and I've had them crunch numbers on my account. And I would guarantee this would be true

01:19:14.220 of yours as well. It is mathematically impossible for some of the things to occur that have happened,

01:19:20.580 particularly in the last two years on people's Twitter accounts without there being active

01:19:25.260 measures taken against individuals, ideas, certain accounts, full stop, mathematically impossible,

01:19:30.400 right? I mean, this is, you're getting into, uh, you know, when they say it's, it's the,

01:19:35.860 it's this guy who did the crime. There's a one in, you know, 15 billion chance that somebody else

01:19:41.120 shares the same DNA. You're getting into like that level of mathematical certainty here. Um, and,

01:19:47.100 and it makes perfect sense because if they're willing to do these big things, which they,

01:19:52.320 which we know they were now, this is a matter of fact. Um, and I also, I just always like to remind

01:19:57.320 everybody, they never, if you're wondering how could they be so sloppy and so brazen and these

01:20:02.640 things in these emails that are coming out now, it would seem so stupid to even put some of it into

01:20:07.180 writing. They never thought this would come out. Whoever thought that Elon Musk was going to buy

01:20:12.500 Twitter, take it private for $44 billion. Right. I mean that, if you had said that even 18 months

01:20:19.200 ago, people would have said you're crazy. Like, that's just insane. That's a $44 billion to buy a

01:20:23.680 website that doesn't even make money. Um, and, and so now when we look at what they did, I don't

01:20:30.380 think people should be, should be put off by the fact that, uh, that they are, they were as sloppy

01:20:34.580 as brazen and partisan as we thought they were all along. Uh, we're just getting the proof now.

01:20:39.340 And if they're willing to do the big things, kick Trump off of Twitter, for example, trust

01:20:46.340 me, right? Everyone think this one through, you don't think that their trust and safety

01:20:50.520 team would be willing to adjust the algorithm so that certain people, certain topics, certain

01:20:57.260 trends were either elevated or de elevated or suppressed. Uh, of course they were doing

01:21:03.360 that. And in some ways, I, as I've said, I've alluded to this, I wrote about this on, on

01:21:07.980 foxnews.com a couple of days ago. It's almost more pernicious because you banned Donald Trump

01:21:13.620 and everybody knows, and people aren't going to ask questions. Now I think the Twitter

01:21:17.700 attitude was, you know, screw you. It's our platform. We can do what we want, right? Okay.

01:21:21.880 But at least we know with shadow banning Megan, you could come out with some idea, right? I mean,

01:21:27.220 you have the, you have the size of following where if you said something that is just true,

01:21:32.580 that really resonates with people and could start, um, a much larger conversation online,

01:21:38.240 they can shut that down and it's, in its origins and its infancy. And so think about the way that

01:21:44.940 they can shift and shape conversation, but you don't know that. And your followers don't know

01:21:48.980 that. And it's not hard to do it. And the issue, if somebody wants a little more specificity,

01:21:54.440 masking is moronic. Um, it never made sense. It was never going to stop anything. It was obvious,

01:22:01.260 you know, Dr. Fauci said to people privately in the beginning of the pandemic, when everybody was

01:22:06.900 at their maximum fear level, yeah, like masks aren't going to do anything. He wouldn't say that

01:22:11.500 about antibiotics if you had strep throat, right? I mean, there are certain things that a doctor

01:22:14.820 wouldn't say so definitively unless they really believed it. Um, you don't just turn around and

01:22:21.440 all of a sudden change on that the way that you did. But I think that the mass contagion, uh, was only

01:22:27.580 really possible because they shut down all discussion to the contrary and suppress people

01:22:34.320 like me who are making the case for every study that has ever actually looked at this has shown that

01:22:39.500 it is completely ineffective and a total joke, which is still true to this day, by the way. But now we

01:22:43.500 just have two years of real world data looking around everyone, you know, wearing masks got sick

01:22:46.720 anyway, who cares? Um, so there were massive implications of this, but see, that's a, that's

01:22:51.780 more of a shadow banning, uh, issue I would say, um, than anything else. Even if their terms of

01:22:57.100 service say, Oh, we'll go after you. Uh, when they suspend you, you know, when they shadow ban you,

01:23:02.580 you just suffer in silence. And I think that's the big tool that we'll see. I think this is

01:23:07.140 fascinating. I mean, it is more permit pernicious because you can say, Oh, well, the FBI told them

01:23:12.440 that there could be a disinformation campaign coming potentially about Hunter Biden. So, you know,

01:23:17.080 they're weak, they're traumatized. They live in fear. Okay. That's what they did. They resorted

01:23:22.480 to their weakest instincts. Oh, they banned Donald Trump because he kept putting out, you know,

01:23:27.220 dangerous messaging around Jan 6th or COVID misinformation in Alex Berenson's case. I'm

01:23:32.240 not justifying any of this. I'm just saying you can at least see, okay, this is their defense.

01:23:36.400 This is their, this is why they didn't have a reason. I might not agree with the reason, but they,

01:23:39.860 they, but the silencing of, and it's going to be a big number of accounts, the, the subtle

01:23:47.100 suppression of them, um, of their messaging. And it would be, it's, it's guaranteed. It's going to

01:23:54.000 be heterodox messages, not Republicans who said like lower taxes. It's going to be people who spoke out

01:23:59.920 about BLM COVID push back on some of the, you know, official state messaging that we've been getting

01:24:06.460 shoved down our throats over the past two or three years. Um, that is more disturbing because that's

01:24:12.300 just all messaging that disagrees with my worldview must be silenced, diminished, changed, suppressed.

01:24:20.320 Like that's evil. That's really evil because as you point out, you just have a feeling about it,

01:24:25.080 but you don't know it. So how do you complain about it? And then you sound like a nutcase.

01:24:28.400 If you say, you know, and I understand people are like, you're just a loser. No, people just don't

01:24:32.520 want to follow you. People just didn't like your message. And that's the response. Right. And you're

01:24:36.000 like, Oh, well that's possible too. Right. I mean, imagine if I, if I had started a podcast,

01:24:40.200 that was just why masking doesn't work one Oh one and no one ever, you know, and I get five

01:24:45.240 listens a day and I go, well, hold on. I've got, you know, I'm on a radio show with millions of

01:24:50.740 listeners every day. I mean, I, I think I can get more than five people a day to listen, but maybe

01:24:54.440 after a while, it's like, well, I guess nobody wants to hear this podcast. Nobody cares. So it's a

01:24:59.840 really underhanded tool of, of propaganda and censorship and suppression that they were using.

01:25:06.800 And, and it was clearly going on. And I think you also see this, uh, on the trans issue, uh,

01:25:14.640 trans agenda issue in particular, um, because a lot of people are now turning around who don't even pay

01:25:20.420 very close attention to politics. And they're asking me, I mean, this is people that I just

01:25:24.340 know social. They'll say, how do we get to a point where now there are people that work for

01:25:29.760 these mainstream news outlets who are saying, you know, an eight year old putting a dollar bill

01:25:35.280 in the thong of a gyrating man dressed as a woman claiming to be a woman, or maybe doesn't claim to

01:25:40.980 be a woman, just dresses as a woman, whatever is in any way normal or permissible. Well, the way you

01:25:46.900 can get to that is by shutting down any criticism of these things, including dead naming, misgendering,

01:25:53.640 or just opposition to the trans agenda as a general rule as hate speech, uh, which is a huge part of

01:26:00.880 what the social media companies have done in recent years, because those activists, I mean, the,

01:26:05.700 the pro trans activists, uh, out there are as organized maniacal and vicious as anybody you will

01:26:13.860 find on any issue. Um, and they will come after you with, with a total vengeance. They are completely

01:26:19.520 insane. Um, they will say things like men can get pregnant and they think they're not laughable.

01:26:24.580 These are biological men lecturing women like me about what it is to be a woman. Take a seat.

01:26:29.040 Absolutely. And Megan, if you have a problem with that, you're the problem. How do we get to that

01:26:34.560 level of crazy in society without massive cheating on the battlefield of ideas, which is really what the

01:26:42.260 social media companies have been doing last couple of years brazenly, but they've been doing it on and

01:26:48.800 off for the last five or six years. Pretty aggressive. It also explains the divergence

01:26:52.120 between your online experience and your real life experience. You know, you step away from Twitter and

01:26:56.000 you're like, Oh wait, everyone's saying in my real life, no one feels this way that we're all these

01:27:00.400 lunatic leftists running around my town. Wait, the, all the Democrats I know are actually quite normal

01:27:04.840 and don't believe in any of this crap. It's these activist wokesters who control these platforms and

01:27:10.120 are active on these platforms and their allies who are suppressing the rest of us who are dominating

01:27:15.500 the national conversation. And I'll, I'll say one thing about your Fox news op-ed, which is well worth

01:27:19.080 the read. You also make the point that, um, I'll read it from you. Uh, depending on how deep this goes

01:27:24.160 at Twitter, there could even be downstream ramifications for how Facebook, Google, and other tech giants

01:27:28.700 engage in covert partisan warfare going forward. That is a good, that is a green shoot, uh,

01:27:34.620 because if what's happening with Elon at, you know, the Elon Musk controlled social media site

01:27:39.180 could change the way things are done at the other websites because he's gone first,

01:27:42.860 he's exposing them and they all know they did it too. That would be a huge blessing. All right,

01:27:48.100 let me pause, do a quick break, come back on the opposite side. Much more to discuss. Buck Sexton

01:27:52.400 stays with us. So Buck, our respectable media is at it again, reporting fully and fairly on past

01:28:01.740 controversies like the Waukesha parade massacre that we saw this time last year in the wake of

01:28:09.380 Kyle Rittenhouse being acquitted. That was a case in which a deranged black man mowed down a bunch of

01:28:17.020 white Wisconsin parade goers tending to be grandmas. The dancing grannies come to mind,

01:28:23.340 um, after some vicious race rants online and some negative events in his life. And, um, NBC would like

01:28:31.420 you to know that Waukesha has come back to bring the parade back to us. And here's how they reported

01:28:37.180 on this original incident. In Waukesha, Wisconsin, the town just finished marching in its annual

01:28:43.160 Christmas parade. Of course, it was one year ago that a man drove a car into that crowd, killing

01:28:48.400 six. Tonight, residents returned celebrating the lives lost and the town's determination

01:28:53.260 to keep the tradition going. Maura Barrett is there. Tonight, Waukesha's Christmas parade is back,

01:29:00.880 bigger and stronger than ever. The community turning up in force one year after tragedy struck

01:29:07.660 when a man drove an SUV through the parade, killing six people and injuring dozens more.

01:29:12.900 You see, he just drove the car, Buck. It was just like maybe it maybe there was a flat tire that caused

01:29:18.840 him to go off the main road. It was just like an accident. Potentially, uh, you could draw that

01:29:23.340 conclusion from this reporting. Oh, and by the way, the race of the man who did it and those he killed

01:29:27.800 absolutely irrelevant, which is, you know, not exactly how NBC does it. When those races are

01:29:32.660 reversed in any other case, these are their rules, but they don't play by them when the narrative isn't

01:29:39.360 supported. You had a black man engage in an act of domestic terrorism that was only possibly motivated,

01:29:50.560 uh, based on his own online pronouncements by a hatred of white people. There's, there's never

01:29:56.600 been another motivation offered up. And we were told, and this is the game the media plays and it

01:30:02.440 makes me, uh, really angry. Um, and I actually used to go on and fight with people, believe it or not,

01:30:08.100 at CNN as a terrorism analyst. Cause I've worked in the CIA's counterterrorism center. Cause they

01:30:13.640 would do this thing of, well, we don't know the motive yet. We don't know that. And it would last

01:30:17.000 three days, five days, 10 days, because if it didn't fit a political narrative that they wanted

01:30:22.480 to tell that audience, they would essentially play the delay game until no one even remembers that

01:30:27.080 there was an incident. That's exactly what they did in Waukesha in that NBC report. It's what, since,

01:30:31.960 since you and I have put out the facts, uh, the, the relevant facts of this case, a mass murder at a

01:30:37.300 Christmas parade, including of an eight year old boy, uh, the following words, nowhere in that

01:30:43.500 hole, it was like a two minute long segment. Uh, I watched it a few times through to make sure I

01:30:47.400 wasn't missing anything. The words, um, murder, terrorism, hate, uh, white black, none of that

01:30:54.980 appears one time. You will not hear any of those words. You will not hear murder. You will not hear

01:31:00.280 terrorism. You will not hear hate. You will not hear hate crime. You will not hear white or black

01:31:03.940 mentioned in the entire piece. That's journalism for you today, folks. There you go.

01:31:09.620 Unbelievable. And of course it only applied be one thing if they never mentioned race,

01:31:12.720 you know, but that's not how their game is played. It's, it's, it's either, it's either we

01:31:17.620 give fulsome descriptions of the suspect and possible motives or we don't, but we don't do this.

01:31:22.640 Mm-hmm. Um, on the subject of crime, I saw you remarking on this and this was heartbreaking to me too.

01:31:29.280 This home Depot worker, 83 year old, years old, now dead. Gary razor, uh, from Hillsborough,

01:31:36.780 North Carolina was pushed to the ground by a thief at a home Depot. We have the video,

01:31:41.660 I believe. Um, we can take a look at it. Yeah. It's just video here. He's trying to stop this

01:31:47.340 thief. Oh God. And this thief shoves this 83 year old man to the ground. It's six weeks ago. This

01:31:55.000 happened and he has now died. His, his death has been ruled a homicide, which is the correct

01:32:00.360 conclusion. Um, he had worked at this home Depot for nine years and had been in and out of the

01:32:07.020 hospital. After this happened, he was trying to stop, put an arm out to try to stop this man from

01:32:11.140 rolling away a cart full of shop listed shop lifted pressure washers. The man, the thief was clad in a

01:32:18.380 Calvin Klein hoodie and a face mask. And as still, as I understand it, not apprehended more and more

01:32:25.160 what they're doing is not, they're not even challenging the thieves anymore. So kudos to

01:32:29.500 this old man for literally risking his life. And the downside of that risk was realized, but in store

01:32:34.540 after store, a buck that they're just letting the thieves take the stuff. Now, the Democrats have

01:32:39.980 decided that the theft is a social justice issue. This is just where we are folks. Everyone needs to

01:32:46.080 understand it, uh, that confronting and punishing shoplifters is anti-social justice, anti-woke. Um,

01:32:55.520 and, and you can think of all the implications that they bring to that. Uh, I think the correct

01:33:00.500 position on this, and I think it is the conservative position on this, um, rightly applied is that we are

01:33:07.080 all subject to the same laws, irrespective of race, creed, color, socioeconomic status. We all believe

01:33:14.140 that we are held to the same standard. Um, Democrats, I mean, you remember AOC famously

01:33:19.300 said of people that were going in and stealing, this guy had was stealing almost a thousand dollars

01:33:23.380 worth of stuff, pressure washers. He was going to go and sell them on Amazon or eBay or something

01:33:28.820 right away. Stealing a loaf of bread. Right. But, but AOC says, well, it's people stealing to feed

01:33:33.720 themselves. That's a lie. When people break into Louis Vuitton stores and steal a hundred,

01:33:38.740 three hundred, five hundred thousand dollars of stuff, they are organized thieves. And if they're

01:33:44.900 not punished, it just continues. And our cities have been turned into free for alls with theft and

01:33:51.640 stealing, um, because people don't want to enforce the law because they don't like the implications

01:33:55.940 that that may bring to their social justice concepts. And the fact that this 83 year old man

01:34:01.440 was the only one with the backbone, the only one with the courage to stand up and then look at what

01:34:06.260 happens to him. It's a really bleak indicator of where society is going right now. I wish we were

01:34:10.700 ending on a, on a happier note, Megan, but I know it's so sad. His wife said she and her husband had

01:34:15.860 plans to retire travel and meet their new grandchild for the first time before his death. I, I have to

01:34:22.640 raise it because this is the reminder. We do need to call the police. Stealing is a crime. You have to

01:34:28.300 call nine one one. Perhaps it's good advice not to interfere yourself, um, because you might get hurt.

01:34:34.500 You might get killed, but we need police. We need them to be fully funded. We need clerks who are

01:34:39.620 willing to call the cops and understand it's not racist just because the perpetrator might be black.

01:34:44.940 Um, you might be saving the lives of black people within your store, but it doesn't matter. Crime is

01:34:50.660 crime. It's dangerous and left unchecked. It will spread and grow. Buck Sexton, always a pleasure.

01:34:57.020 Thanks for joining us today. Tomorrow. We've got Peter Schiff on to talk about the ongoing collapse

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 07, 2022

Corruption of Our Institutions, and Unaccountable Dr. Fauci, with Jesse Kelly and Buck Sexton ｜ Ep. 449

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