Roland Fryer was a brilliant economist who had his life's work destroyed in the wake of the shooting of a police officer in Buffalo, New York. Megyn talks to Brown University economist Glenn Lowry and filmmaker Rob Montz about what happened to him, and why it happened. Plus, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's deep point about politicization.
00:55:30.420And then another woman comes forward and says, years ago, I was his assistant and we had some inappropriate texts with one another suggesting,
00:55:39.080I don't know, was this the one who said he talked about how he was going to need a new bed
00:55:42.840if he never got married or got a girl?
00:56:29.140So this was like an old, settled, semi-claim of sexual harassment that everybody had been under the impression was over and done and settled.
00:56:40.280And the Harvard investigators go back into it and resurrect it as part of making this case of Roland as a unrepentant sexual predator.
00:56:49.780There's a lot of just very, um, gangster stuff that, that goes, that goes down right now.
00:56:54.360And again, title nine as a, as a, as a mechanism of resolving sexual harassment claims on college campuses is notoriously opaque and prone to ideological abuse.
00:57:07.340Like it's, it's basically like a monarchy and they just get to make up the rules as they go along.
00:57:11.520And all of the protections that are normally afforded a defendant in a criminal trial are not provided on campus for most title nine investigations.
00:57:20.260To the contrary, the system is entirely rigged for the accuser.
00:57:23.480The whole trick in these title nine, uh, proceedings on college campuses is don't get involved in one.
00:57:30.040If you're the man being accused, you're dead.
00:57:32.080I mean, upon the accusation, it's over for you.
00:57:35.260There are very few that wind up with, and he's exonerated and the evidence wasn't there.
00:57:41.340You have no right to cross examine, uh, the witness who's accusing you.
00:57:44.220You have no right to counsel in the hearing room.
00:57:46.120Those who are actually trying your fate are all victims rights advocates and you have no place to object.
00:57:52.920And once they inevitably find you guilty, there's very limited rights of appeal outside of that body, nevermind in the federal district court.
00:57:59.800So the whole trick is don't get sucked in, which they knew, which they knew when they came for him, Glenn.
00:58:05.960And, and then after this title nine board says, he should do some training.
00:58:10.100Even these folks who probably wanted to get Roland said that training, the higher ups at the university, the dean of the faculty, um, and the chair, I think of the African-American studies department.
00:58:19.680They came and said, oh no, it's going to be far, far worse.
00:58:25.460I think in Larry Bobo's case, it was his role as dean of social sciences and Claudine Gay's dean of the faculty.
00:58:32.160And yes, they were among the people who finally decided about the disposition of Roland's case.
00:58:37.060The punishment administered was the closing of his lab and the shuttering of all the ongoing projects, along with a two year suspension without pay and a humiliating, intrusive regime of control or oversight of his teaching when he returns from, as he has done from the two year suspension.
00:59:02.500I mean, I think the question here, Megan, if I may, is why did Harvard not protect their valuable, uh, superstar asset from the administration of an injustice, which any of us can see.
00:59:16.300I mean, we can see in retrospect, and they could have seen at the time what an injustice allowing this title nine machine to roll over Roland Fryer would be.
00:59:26.020And they did not, uh, uh, intervene to, uh, prevent this from happening.
00:59:31.500Now, I think we don't know that they were, uh, explicitly motivated by a distaste for his research findings, but I think it's beyond question that, um, this would not have happened if they didn't value, uh, if they valued, uh, Roland for what he was actually doing.
00:59:57.020And again, the irony is just unbearable.
00:59:59.280They're supposed to be about diversity.
01:00:02.740They're supposed to be about caring about black people.
01:00:07.300Uh, so, um, but yeah, what happened was he was suspended without pay and his research was shut down.
01:00:13.460He's raised over $100 million to support his research.
01:00:17.480There's $30 million sitting in accounts to which he has no access, which have not been returned to the donors for projects as yet incomplete that were ongoing when they shut down his lab.
01:00:29.240I know you, you wrote on your Substack, Glenn, uh, these, these folks at Harvard, those at Harvard responsible for this state of affairs should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
01:01:09.640He may choose to do something else with his life.
01:01:11.420He's running companies and doing all kinds of amazing things in terms of the genius, creative, uh, uh, social analyst and activist in his way, uh, that he is starting companies and, uh, working on hard problems.
01:02:08.880Uh, and, and I think he's not going to let them have that satisfaction.
01:02:13.900I mean, he waited, he may well, after he becomes a billionaire, decide to retire at the age of 52 and, uh, do something else with his life, but he's not going to just run with his tail between his legs.
01:02:24.740Uh, not only that, but, um, he's got this black mark on him now, such that, uh, other institutions, if, you know, these people are cowards, they're spineless.
01:02:35.900A Princeton or a Yale or a Stanford to make Roland the XYZ professor something and let him bring his hundred million dollar raising, uh, effort in his, uh, visionary, uh, uh, genius level of, uh, research to their institution.
01:02:52.460Uh, to do it, they would have to stand out and take the slings and arrows that would surely come their way, uh, as a result of, uh, of the taint that's been put on him by this process.
01:03:01.760Mm. So the, the taint is significant in September of 2021, the Crimson, that's their on-campus newspaper editorial board wrote an absolutely scathing piece about him.
01:03:13.720I mean, I read this and I was like, I'm what is he really like a Weinstein type? What the hell did he do? My God.
01:03:19.140Then you look at the actual allegations and they're utterly contrary to the language.
01:03:23.860Uh, the, the, the piece starts by saying Friar was suspended for his quote, abhorrent treatment of his female employees.
01:03:31.560What the joke about how somebody hadn't had sex since, you know, a hundred plus years ago.
01:03:36.140Um, they note that he was accused of creating a hostile environment and engaging in years of unwelcome sexual conduct.
01:03:42.660He never touched anybody. He wasn't accused of touching anybody.
01:03:45.900He wasn't accused of conditioning anybody's career advancement on any sexual favors, et cetera.
01:03:49.980Um, that's not in the piece there. They, uh, they write, this sends the message that Harvard is a university that permits a culture of sexual harassment.
01:03:57.780They go on. This is allowing a faculty member who has, who has, who it has found violated university sexual harassment policies to educate its undergraduates.
01:04:07.700This undermines the university's title nine policy, ultimately sending a message of hypocrisy to the students.
01:04:13.460Women in the economics department now must decide whether or not they wish to take a class from a professor who allegedly objectified and sexualized his female employees.
01:04:25.300Period. I mean, then they go on. Here's the final, um,
01:04:29.260To our dismay, Friar will be teaching this fall. Harvard should notify students in Friar's course of the findings of their investigation against him.
01:04:39.180He should not be allowed to interact with students alone in office hours or other spaces.
01:04:45.400His, the, yeah, that he should, you have to out him on all these allegations to everybody.
01:04:50.160And then he can't be alone with students. And then they go on to say the following.
01:04:53.260Um, we don't ask, we don't, we do not make this ask lightly. The loss of Friar as a trusted educator and mentor at Harvard is a heavy one.
01:05:00.740Friar's actions of sexual harassment have turned what was once a source of hope into a collective disappointment distributed and carried amongst all of the students who once looked up to him.
01:05:10.120Students of color, especially have been stripped of a role model.
01:05:14.200Friar could have been an excellent advisor to students eager to tackle the economics of inequality, an immensely important area of research.
01:05:20.720But students have been denied this opportunity and the world is worse off because of it.
01:05:25.620Glenn, that's kind of an admission right there.
01:05:29.100The, the administration must stand against this. They won't, but they ought to.
01:05:34.900These kids running these newspapers are going to do what they're going to do. They're 22 years old.
01:05:38.500You know, they're going to do what they're going to do. And they're going off on a Title IX thing, Harvey Weinstein and all that.
01:05:42.500It's obvious hyperbole and it doesn't fit the facts.
01:05:44.800They're poisoning the well there. There should have been a letter to the editor of the Harvard Crimson from the president of the university objecting to the character assassination.
01:05:58.700The McCarthyism that was being perpetrated against this stellar contributor to what the university is supposed to be about.
01:06:08.120The cowardly character of academic leadership is at the root of the problem in the universities today.
01:06:17.340We reached out to the two people featured in the documentary, Claudine Gay.
01:06:21.040She's professor of government and of African-American studies at Harvard.
01:06:24.520Also serves as the dean of social science for the faculty of arts and sciences.
01:06:28.340And to Lawrence D. Bobo, he's dean of social science who you mentioned a minute ago, Glenn.
01:06:31.540Um, and also chair of the department of African and African-American studies.
01:07:54.020But at least for me, that's very sad and bad that the elites are uniformly ideologically corrupt
01:08:02.840and pumping out false narratives about the country.
01:08:05.420But it does also present an opportunity, right?
01:08:08.760Like when the only thing that's ever been written about Roland's case is in the New York Times, in which they dutifully serve as handmaidens of the Harvard establishment and just repeat this narrative that Roland is an unrepentant sexual predator.
01:08:25.640And that's how the narrative gets established.
01:08:35.100And that's basically what we we tried to do.
01:08:37.480And it's not just that, though, it's we can make stuff that gets ignored.
01:08:43.960But like, I mean, Glenn, like we can also make it better than the legacy media institutions or or a large legacy like Harvard University, which is and again, not to mince words, but I've watched more Larry Bobo lectures than his graduate students.
01:09:02.940OK, I've read more of his papers than his wife.
01:09:17.840OK, and they couldn't even make something.
01:09:21.800They couldn't even make a powerful counter narrative piece to this Roland documentary, even if they tried.
01:09:26.340They couldn't do it, even if they tried, because they've gotten rich and wealthy and have a lot of status and have been put to the very highest realms of these institutions.
01:10:02.620That was going for the jugular here in the war for the future of our country, which is largely about control of the narrative about these large issues that we're talking about.
01:10:13.600And I'm glad to have Rob Montz on my side of the line in that one, because he's right.
01:10:40.940I'm sorry to go off script here a little bit.
01:10:42.620This is not the solution to the racial inequality problem, creating sinecures and boosting people and and inflating and puffing them up when they're not actually getting it done on the ground.
01:10:57.260Rob rendered his view about Professor Bobo's videos.
01:11:10.500What I'm saying, though, is that the deep story here is that Rowan's excellence is absolutely impeccable and it's independent of the color of his skin.
01:11:50.440That black people would be judged by the content of their character, of which Rowan, notwithstanding this thing that they're trying to tattoo on him, is exemplary.
01:12:05.460And whenever you're a threat, especially one who's saying things that align with the other side, ideologically or politically, you need to be destroyed.
01:12:18.740Thanks to our listeners and viewers and more and more people who get who get the real truth about him and understand that it's important to stand up and support his mission.
01:12:26.740And whatever he forms next, we're all going to support.
01:12:29.640He's got way more support out there than he even knows at this point because he's still tied to them and limited in what he can say and do.
01:12:35.900But as soon as he clips that tether or manages to step away in some way, he'll feel it acutely.
01:12:43.000You know, I think most people just going about their lives are worried about inflation.
01:14:14.100Well, the court's going to decide evidently in the fall.
01:14:17.980I should acknowledge that I signed on to a friend of the court brief with some other economist supporting the students for fair admission side of that case.
01:14:25.740And, you know, there's going to be a decision.
01:14:32.880I would hope to see that the court would decide that what happened to the Asians at Harvard and is going on at the University of North Carolina is unconstitutional or inconsistent with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
01:14:43.540I think the affirmative action in 1980 was one thing.
01:14:50.380Affirmative action in 2022 and on into the indefinite future, I think it's poison for the future of race relations, poison for the pursuit of racial equality,
01:15:01.880genuinely genuine racial equality in the country, which can only be founded, in my view, on equality of performance and of merit.
01:15:13.500This is a accommodation of the disparity in the development of intellectual performance amongst different groups in the country by by trying to legislate or mandate equality of achievement.
01:15:29.800I think what's happened to the Asians at Harvard, again, this is to be decided by the court, is abominable.
01:15:37.920The appropriation of a personality rating as a cover.
01:15:43.000So that, you know, they say the Asian students have high scores, but they're narrow, they're nerdy, they want to do science and they're not interesting and they're not going to be leaders.
01:15:52.340I mean, you can say that about any other group of people.
01:15:54.720I mean, what I say to the affirmative action proponents who talk about this diversity thing, show me a black student with high scores, but a bad personality or who is not admitted or show me an Asian student with no scores, but an amazing personality who is admitted.
01:16:16.160And then I'll believe the argument that it's a personality rating difference that accommodate that accounts for the disparity.
01:16:25.660They have in tacit quota an implicit desire for diversity and they're rigging the numbers in order to get it to the to the detriment of merit.
01:16:52.940I mean, there was a headline not long ago about the NFL requiring this isn't a racial thing, it's a gender thing, but requiring like all of these assistant coaches to be female.
01:17:00.860It's like, OK, so do they know that most of the women don't play football in football and in high school?
01:17:07.700And I mean, we don't have the peewee program for a lot of girls, so it's not exactly like a pipeline sending.
01:17:15.200You know, and I know Victor Davis Hanson is always making the point like if we want perfect equity when it comes to gender, when it comes to race in major sports, let's do the NBA next.
01:18:14.620No, I was going to echo Rob Monson saying this is an opportunity because everybody can see what's going on.
01:18:20.420And I really fear the consequences of the unraveling of this kind of spiral of silence that we're embedded in where everybody can see what's going on.
01:18:30.220Everybody knows that guy in Waukesha who drove that SUV into dancing granny Christmas parade was a racist mass murderer.
01:18:43.980Of course not, because, you know, it doesn't fit the narrative, as you say.
01:18:47.000And I don't think that kind of suppression.
01:18:51.120Everybody knows that the real threat to black life in this country is vicious, violent criminals who are preying on other black people in the cities of the country.
01:19:07.100The thing is not going to hold together here.
01:19:09.800It's going to unravel and heaven help us if it unravels in an ugly way, which is quite possible.
01:19:17.300Well, you know, I mean, you can do this tit for tat on a lot of stories, but the same weekend that the 10 people were killed in Buffalo and three other shot.
01:19:35.00033 people were shot five fatally in weekend violence across Chicago.
01:19:38.500Just just yesterday was in the news that Chicago had to close Millennium Park, like the where everybody goes and listens to the music because a kid got shot.
01:19:48.600I mean, the violence is pouring out there into John Cass has been writing great stuff about this into the mainstream sort of Chicago roads, neighborhoods and so on.
01:19:58.180It's not confined to like the areas, you know, are full of gangs and so on.
01:20:18.080And everybody knows, excuse me, Megan, that it's young black kids who haven't been parented and who are indisciplined, who are pouring out in large numbers.
01:20:47.300And there's no question this guy was motivated by race when he actually did the thing in Buffalo.
01:20:50.100As I said, it's not that we need to ignore that aspect of it, but some more time needs to be spent on what happened prior to that and how he got radicalized in the first place.
01:20:58.920Rob, I was going to ask you about your other documentary, because when you talk about what Facebook did with again, I think this is basically quotas, what they were what they were doing to themselves.
01:21:07.400Reminds me what I went through in New York City.
01:21:08.900The first time Glenn was on the program with Coleman Hughes, I revealed to them why we left our schools in New York and how racist they had gotten there.
01:21:15.720And I had read to them a thing that was circulated at our boys school that read in part in every classroom where white children learn there is a future killer cop.
01:21:35.580But it reminded me what we went through in our New York City schools, where every single all the schools started flagellating themselves after George Floyd.
01:21:42.300The headmaster, whatever you call him now, at my daughter's school was like, our school is racist.
01:21:58.700Well, that one is more about they won't admit that it's a pipeline problem and they have to just consistently plow millions of dollars into well-polished TV campaigns to promise to do better and to promise to boost diversity.
01:22:12.220And what you just said also, when Glenn was talking, it got me thinking about the fact of how awkward, though, and comically tragic this kind of colossus, though, of progressive right think, how tragic and comical it gets when they are confronted with the problematic reality of Asian excellence.
01:22:34.540That it keeps changing how they deal with it.
01:22:36.960Right now, we're working on a documentary about some changes that are happening to Thomas Jefferson High School in Fairfax, Virginia, which you guys might have heard of because it consistently gets ranked as the best high school in America.
01:22:49.100It's very much like a Stuyvesant in that it used to have a very clean admissions protocol, which was just like a single test and a couple other academic credentials determined whether or not you got to have entry into basically the best high school in America.
01:23:02.940But it's been awkward because the children of poor Korean and Vietnamese and Chinese families in Northern Virginia have been dominating the test.
01:23:14.780And as of two years ago, it was like 70% of Thomas Jefferson High School is Asian, right?
01:23:20.940But then flash forward to the summer of 2020, America's racial reckoning and the principal of Thomas Jefferson High School sends a missive, very much like what you were talking about, Megan, a missive to all the parents of Thomas Jefferson High School about how they need to do better, about how they failed to be diverse, about how all the latent white supremacy in the school.
01:23:47.080And in this documentary we have, the person who is reading this letter is one of the parents at Thomas Jefferson High School.
01:23:56.920She's a, she immigrated from China in the 80s and literally she and her family were escaped, she and her family have escaped the cultural revolution.
01:24:07.320That's the person who's being lectured to about their privilege, is being lectured to about their unfair position in the intersectional pyramid.
01:24:19.580And most of them are lower middle class, working class.
01:24:23.920And it's just that the only thing they spend their money on is test prep.
01:24:28.000That's the only thing they spend their money and time on.
01:24:30.000And they have a culture that values academic excellence.
01:24:32.960And that's what accounts for their astonishing success at a place like Thomas Jefferson High School.
01:24:37.140And you get to watch like the weird warped doublespeak of the establishment when they're trying to explain that as also an outgrowth of white supremacy.
01:25:14.200And yet, you know, I've suffered certain acts of discrimination, just like most people of color at some point in their life.
01:25:20.460And also, we've talked about this before, I think, Glenn, but immigrants in this country who are black people, black people who are not American born, a lot of whom have the same very strong work ethic.
01:25:34.160And we'll eschew some of these narratives about the black experience in America.
01:25:40.500They sort of get lobbed off from the narrative by the by BLM Central, too.
01:25:44.960You know, like, well, you don't understand because you're not descended from slaves, which a lot of black Americans are not descended from slaves either.
01:25:50.480It was like you're not descended from slaves.
01:25:53.120So you can't understand the true black experience and you can't speak to American racism.
01:25:56.760Yeah, well, what this reveals, actually, is that we're in the 21st century and this is a great dynamic, moving target country.
01:26:04.820This country is evolving and the world is evolving.
01:26:09.920You know, you can work with people across great oceans and whatnot.
01:26:13.280And the billions who are coming online with modernization that's going on in China and India are going to change the course of the history of humankind in the 21st century.
01:26:24.000And we Americans and we black Americans, we Americans, because, you know, the reaction against the disproportionate representation of excellent test takers in a place like Thomas Jefferson, by dumbing it down and leveling it down, getting rid of the test and whatnot, will hinder us as a people, American people, from getting in.
01:26:45.540And we black Americans have a lot of state because nobody is standing still.
01:26:51.220It's like Roland says, I think at some point in Rob's documentary, that you've got to ask the white kids to take Thursday and Friday off if you want the black kids to catch up.
01:26:58.780And nobody's taking Thursday and Friday off.
01:27:00.480And these Asian kids are certainly not taking Thursday and Friday off.
01:27:03.400So if we don't get our heads around what really is the issue here, which is the development of the capacities of our people to effectively perform in modern society.
01:27:13.640We're just we're cruising for another summer of 2020 just online with the demagogues are going to have a field day.
01:27:21.180And if I may, without running on too long, we need leadership.
01:27:24.860We need Barack Obama to come out of hiding and lead a movement to empower African-Americans and others to grasp the opportunities of the 21st century, not to repeat the tired, shopworn, you know, shibboleths and fairy tales about white supremacy is holding black people down, about America has a knee on the neck of black people.
01:27:51.640So it's the road to disaster for America and for blacks.
01:27:55.200But let me let me ask you, because I also understand if I were black and living in Buffalo and anywhere near this community, I can understand how I'd feel scared and I'd feel angry and I'd feel worried for my kids.
01:28:09.960And and outside of Buffalo, too, because the narrative is really I mean, there's no question that there are crazy people in the country and there are white supremacists in the country, not to the numbers that the Biden administration would have his belief, but they're clearly out there.
01:28:21.640And with race becoming so such a centralized topic of discussion, as you pointed out late earlier, it's dangerous.
01:28:28.640So I I wouldn't know what to say to that person who's worried because it's really the Democrats who can continue to make race the focus of everything.
01:28:38.880You know, you cannot avoid it these days.
01:28:41.160And then you see a story like that where this guy has clearly racist thoughts and writings.
01:28:47.740I mean, to black Americans now worried, worried about their safety.
01:28:51.040Well, I'm glad you asked me, because, you know, I said earlier who started it and it may seem insensitive to the families who lost loved ones and so forth.
01:28:58.720It may seem that I was unconscious, unaware of that there is a real threat of violence, of racially motivated violence against black people in this country.
01:29:10.000I understand that that's the case. I don't mean to minimize that at all.
01:29:13.480I mean, what would you say? You say, oh, my God, I'm so sorry for your loss.
01:29:16.840I mean, you would try to comfort people as Obama comforted in that amazing speech that he gave in South Carolina after the terrible racist crime that was presented there.
01:29:27.020No, you don't want to get into tit for tat.
01:29:28.920You don't want to get into, you know, counting off violent acts perpetrated by black people as if that somehow balance the scales.
01:29:37.940You want to try to stay in touch with reality without losing touch with your your humanity and human empathy.
01:29:45.540These things are at one in the same time, emotional and requires to draw together and mourn.
01:29:52.580But they're also political in the various ways. I mean, we're going to have to decide what the narrative is going to be going forward.
01:29:58.680And it's a delicate balancing act to be able to maintain a sense of sympathy and support for people who suffered loss while at the same time not being plowed under by the ideologues who want to make the narrative miss out on the fullness of the picture.
01:30:15.540In circumstances like these, you want to look at facts. You want to look at numbers like let's get an actual handle on the the numbers, the size of the sort of white supremacy in America.
01:30:26.460You know, these groups that are devoted to it and spread the word about it.
01:30:29.360I would like to do something like that. But the truth is, Glenn, I don't really know who to trust on something like that.
01:30:35.520And in part, it's because of things like what happened to Roland Fryer. You know, we've seen time and time again that people who write these studies take a take Lisa Libman over at Brown University who wrote a study, did a study on the trans craze sweeping young girls and then was forced, you know, thanks to the wokesters to have it reviewed again.
01:30:57.000And it's it withstood the scrutiny. But my point is, I don't know who to trust, because if you're a professor at a university doing this kind of research, you can't really write the truth and survive.
01:31:07.900So it has to be modified or has to be double peer reviewed later or, you know, what have you. So it's a little disconcerting because facts are tough to get on these subjects.
01:31:17.620I think the question is, if in response to what happened in Buffalo, how do we minimize going forward the chance that it happens again and ask ourselves a question of whether or not invading against white supremacy and the threat that it poses or examining the delivery of mental health services to people who need them would be the most effective way to minimize the possibility of
01:31:37.900the recurrence of this event going forward. I think I can see the answer to that question.
01:31:42.660We need the disinformation board, Glenn. That's what you're basically know. We need the showtune tyrant.
01:31:50.720Chris Ruppo came up with that. I have to say it's brilliant. Showtune try it because this woman, you know, she's resigned. That's over. I think we're all in agreement, especially I know, Rob, you did another documentary on freedom of speech, how important it is on college campuses, etc.
01:32:02.280That's not where we were going with the disinformation board, though. It does remain unclear whether it's entirely disbanded or just on pause. Your thoughts on that one, Rob?
01:32:11.120Well, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that caricature of tyranny is broken down. But I do want to say, and talking to Glenn is part of what informs us about me, is that a big part of the reason I've done so many investigations into higher ed is because I still have what maybe is a naive, romantic vision of what these institutions ought to be.
01:32:35.820And it's an extremely unique and valuable purpose. And one of those purposes, obviously, is the generation of new truths. But again, right now I'm just going to be parroting Glenn's lines and another documentary we did about free speech at Brown University.
01:32:50.780Part of that process, though, of digging up new truths requires a open forum of of a variety of different ideas bumping up against each other.
01:33:03.060And I do worry, as much as I love Substack, as much as I love the Megan Kelly podcast, as much as I love these other kind of upstart media institutions that are forming outside of the corporate establishment, is that a lot of them tend to not have that feature that's ideal in higher ed, which is a heterodox open market of ideas.
01:33:29.720And you really do. In order to be to get smarter, you don't just want to consume people that already agree with you.
01:33:36.340And the university at its best takes very smart people from all across the political spectrum, makes them clash with each other and will hold them accountable if they try to use rhetorical techniques other than using evidence and arguments like you can do plenty of tribal ad hominem attacks on Twitter.
01:33:56.040But if you come to a university properly functioning, you can't get away with that. You're not supposed to get away with that.
01:34:01.660It's either you mount a good argument and you and you present some good evidence of your own or you lose or you lose.
01:34:09.060And that's an extremely important system to have in place. And it's difficult to really accurately replicate outside of the university.
01:34:17.200Hmm. Well, hope springs eternal. We've got University of Austin and that's about it right now.
01:34:25.180We'll check back in with further updates. Glenn Lowry, such a pleasure as always. Rob Mons, congrats to you.
01:34:31.220Everybody's got to go check out the Roland Fryer film at whocanceledroland.com.
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