The Megyn Kelly Show - Cuomo's Failed Zohran Strategy, Platner Oppo Dump, and KJP's Only Line, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine ｜ Ep. 1177

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00:01:15.440 We've got a lot of big political news today.

00:01:17.300 Less than two weeks out from election day, where we will start to see what voters are thinking so far

00:01:22.180 in the first year of Trump 2.0.

00:01:24.660 In Virginia, the fallout from Democratic Attorney General candidate Jay Jones' shocking texts endorsing murder of Republicans and their children

00:01:32.920 continues to impact the race.

00:01:35.740 That one's getting really interesting.

00:01:37.180 Jones plummeting in the polls, but it's still close, which tells you something.

00:01:42.780 And of course, in New York City, where Democratic Socialist Zoran Mamdani retains a commanding lead over former Democrat-turned-independent candidate Andrew Cuomo,

00:01:52.440 Polymarket now has Mamdani with a 94% chance of winning.

00:01:56.240 94.

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00:01:57.800 Cuomo Mamdani and Republican Curtis Sliwa, who is holding strong despite massive pressure for him to drop out.

00:02:04.540 And by holding strong, I mean against the pressure.

00:02:06.940 His numbers are not great.

00:02:08.620 They're all back on the debate stage tonight.

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00:03:52.640 Guys, welcome back.

00:03:54.660 I'm looking forward to this debate tonight.

00:03:57.180 I mean, I'm an expat from New York, so that makes sense to, you know, for me to be interested.

00:04:03.880 Do you think the country is riveted by the Mondani-Cuomo battle?

00:04:08.920 Like, what's your read on it?

00:04:09.860 Mark, I'll start with you.

00:04:10.520 I think a political class is riveted because a lot's at stake for defining the Democratic Party.

00:04:17.600 Mondani, I think if he wins, has the potential to be, as the Republicans would like him to be, the face of the Democratic Party.

00:04:23.620 And it's really going to divide the Democrats.

00:04:25.820 We still haven't seen Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries endorse, although I think Jeffries is going to endorse Vandavi.

00:04:32.820 And so most of the party will have bought into the notion that this should be the person who's mayor of New York City.

00:04:38.640 And anyone who cares about the fight to define both parties, but particularly the Democrats, I think, is pretty riveted by this.

00:04:45.380 I mean, I've got my doubts, but I think you're right about that face of the party.

00:04:51.020 Yeah, go ahead, Sean.

00:04:52.100 Yeah, if you just – I found this out earlier today.

00:04:55.220 If you actually watch that debate and then you're ever convicted of a crime, you get time served.

00:05:00.360 Because I think this is the biggest waste of time tonight.

00:05:04.360 Mondani is the next mayor of New York City.

00:05:06.340 And less and until the only thing that might change that is if Sliwa were to not only endorse Cuomo, but to make a pact where he says,

00:05:17.240 I am going to be part of a Cuomo administration and serve, as Mark said the other day, you know, deputy mayor for cats or all species.

00:05:24.820 Barring that, Mondani is the mayor.

00:05:27.220 He can go to Gracie Mansion tomorrow, measure the drapes.

00:05:29.900 But this is – the debate tonight will have zero impact on anything unless Sliwa literally gets up there, rips the beret off, and says, I'm joining a potential Cuomo administration. 0.91

00:05:39.980 Okay.

00:05:42.220 I'm with you on the numbers as they're coming in.

00:05:44.880 He's crushing it.

00:05:45.640 Mondani is, amazingly. 0.88

00:05:48.180 I don't know why the Democrats couldn't do better than sex pest Andrew Cuomo as their next best representative.

00:05:54.760 You know, I mean, why didn't you get a more qualified candidate to run in the primary?

00:05:59.760 And stop Andrew Cuomo from running.

00:06:02.800 Why?

00:06:03.280 I don't know.

00:06:03.960 I guess they like Mondani.

00:06:05.280 I mean, because you can't, right?

00:06:07.180 I think people thought Cuomo was going to be a runaway train, that they would not want to take him on.

00:06:14.420 Oh, yeah.

00:06:14.780 I mean, go back to when this first started.

00:06:17.740 Cuomo was at 50%.

00:06:18.940 He had about a 30-point lead.

00:06:20.680 Cuomo's reputation was one of being, you know, playing hardball, that if you got in his way, he would destroy you politically.

00:06:29.100 And his record was pretty enviable in terms of, you know, head-to-head against other people.

00:06:34.820 I think if you had said it was going to be you, you know, candidate A, B, C, or D, against a socialist who's 33 years old, I think hands would have shot up all over New York City.

00:06:45.300 And that's part of the problem.

00:06:46.500 By the time they realized what had happened, it was too late.

00:06:48.940 And I think, Megan, the big question tonight, I was really curious going into the first debate.

00:06:54.240 I was surprised in the first debate that Sliwa attacked Cuomo more than he attacked Mondani.

00:07:01.220 Now, tonight, what does he do?

00:07:03.720 Because the more he attacked Cuomo, Mondani sat there smiling.

00:07:07.340 I mean, it was almost like he was doing his dirty work for him, and he could float above it.

00:07:11.920 I think he's going to keep doing it.

00:07:13.800 Yeah, he might.

00:07:14.160 Here's what I think.

00:07:15.140 He's going to keep doing it because he's pissed off at Andrew Cuomo and all of the Andrew Cuomo supporters who are leaning on him to save them all from Mondani, which is not Sliwa's job. 0.99

00:07:27.740 Sliwa is running as a Republican.

00:07:30.720 He's running a decent race for a Republican in New York.

00:07:34.200 He took off the beret.

00:07:36.020 He went out there.

00:07:36.700 He's boned up on policy, and he wants to be taken seriously.

00:07:40.100 And he says there are down-ballot races that will be hurt if he drops out, you know, Republicans running on the ticket.

00:07:47.060 And everyone's looking at him like he's the problem, as opposed to yourselves for letting this sex pest granny killer, Andrew Cuomo, be your only other hope beside the guy who loves the 9-11 terrorists, which we'll get to in a second. 0.93

00:08:05.480 All right? 0.96

00:08:05.720 And we are definitely getting into Zoran Mamdani and where they should go in this debate.

00:08:09.360 But before we do, the level of pressure on Curtis to drop out is, like, intense.

00:08:16.100 It was on the cover of the New York Post yesterday, and the Post said, we know we're going to take a beating from our audience, which is more right-leaning, but Curtis has no chance, and you've got to choose the lesser of two evils, and that's Cuomo.

00:08:27.280 Then Curtis went on Sid Rosenberg's show, the local New York radio show, a very popular host and channel.

00:08:35.160 And the owner of it, John Casamides, who started Gristidi's Grocery Stores, just said yesterday or the day before that he wants Curtis to drop out.

00:08:46.120 And again, this is not because he doesn't love Curtis, but here's what just happened on Sid's show where Curtis appeared as a guest.

00:08:54.780 Selfish? 0.58

00:08:55.860 Are you out of your mind? 0.61

00:08:57.400 Well, that's not me.

00:08:58.320 I haven't said that.

00:08:59.060 Well, Sid, you're part of, quote, the family there, correct?

00:09:05.160 Is that correct?

00:09:06.340 Am I part of that?

00:09:07.180 I'm just asking you.

00:09:08.600 No.

00:09:09.100 You individually know, but that's why you will never see me ever in the studios of WABC again.

00:09:18.520 Never, no matter how this election turns out.

00:09:23.440 Wow.

00:09:24.340 And that's saying something, because he does have his own radio show at that channel, which has been suspended while he's been running.

00:09:30.140 But Mark, your thoughts on it, the pressure on him.

00:09:33.540 On Curtis, I'm kind of an amateur psychologist when it comes to Curtis because I've been studying him for a long time.

00:09:40.220 He's having the time of his life.

00:09:41.540 I know he's expressing anger there, but he's, you know, he's on Fox News three times a day now.

00:09:46.560 He's getting a lot of attention from people, rich people, and supporters of folks.

00:09:52.360 And even the White House is focused on him.

00:09:54.220 So for Curtis, I think he's just he's having fun, regardless of any other motivation he might have to stay in the race.

00:10:01.540 And then and then the other issue for him is, does he really want something?

00:10:06.500 You know, you know, Sean mentioned a job in the Cuomo administration.

00:10:09.400 It's not clear to me from talking to people who've talked to Curtis that he wants that he wants a job in the Cuomo administration.

00:10:15.040 So they're trying to appeal to his sense of if you if you if Cuomo loses and the gap, the delta between Cuomo and Mondami is your vote total.

00:10:25.500 You will go down in history as having elected a socialist.

00:10:27.840 And I think for Curtis, it's like, yeah, whatever.

00:10:30.800 That's not why I'm doing this.

00:10:31.900 I'm going to win.

00:10:32.620 You know, here's here's where I stand on it.

00:10:37.520 I can't stand Andrew Cuomo.

00:10:40.560 I literally cannot imagine ever pulling the lever for him. 0.69

00:10:44.900 Not only did he help kill 15000 elderly people with his terrible covid management problems.

00:10:51.200 And it's not innocent.

00:10:52.360 It's not like covid.

00:10:53.640 It was a virus.

00:10:54.260 We didn't know.

00:10:54.980 No, we knew that the elderly were the most frail and fragile. 0.92

00:10:58.640 And he said, put the positive patients into the New York nursing homes.

00:11:02.620 And the nurses who do all the yeoman's work inside of these homes said, are you effing kidding me? 0.98

00:11:09.320 No, you're going to kill off a bunch of seniors. 0.97

00:11:11.800 And he said, do it. 1.00

00:11:13.480 He overruled them.

00:11:14.640 They were on the record as having warned him.

00:11:17.160 He overruled them.

00:11:18.840 And then when all of these elderly New Yorkers died before they had to, he lied.

00:11:24.680 He lied about the number of deaths.

00:11:26.660 He was too busy in his vanity projects like his book, which was also written on taxpayer dime. 1.00

00:11:32.620 He's a disgusting, dishonest, disreputable person. 1.00

00:11:37.160 I could not vote for him. 0.99

00:11:38.880 But we have a terror loving candidate who's about to win. 0.79

00:11:42.660 So this is an impossible.

00:11:44.680 This is my opinion.

00:11:46.200 Impossible situation for New Yorkers.

00:11:48.980 But I also, Sean, object to what's being done to Curtis, who I'm sure he is enjoying the attention.

00:11:57.540 But as far as I can tell, is running an honest race.

00:12:00.440 Didn't kill off a bunch of grannies. 1.00

00:12:02.120 Didn't make a sex pest out of himself. 0.81

00:12:05.540 Doesn't embrace people who praise 9-11 and call them pillars of the community.

00:12:11.960 Like we just found out about Mom Donnie.

00:12:15.040 And yet you got it from all sides coming on Curtis.

00:12:17.740 And enter Bill Ackman, who tweeted this out today.

00:12:21.200 I spoke to someone who knows Curtis Sliwa, and now I understand why he's staying in the race. 0.99

00:12:26.560 The city has an 8-to-1 matching program for New York City donors.

00:12:30.020 Sliwa got $5 million of matching funds from the city for his campaign.

00:12:34.580 According to my source, Sliwa's wife, friends, and others are on the campaign payroll.

00:12:39.780 And he and they are enjoying living off the city taxpayers who are funding his race slash lifestyle. 1.00

00:12:45.460 He doesn't want to end his campaign and have to return the funds.

00:12:48.340 Let's follow the money. 0.99

00:12:49.880 When I asked why he doesn't care about New York City, my source said, he doesn't give a shit. 0.99

00:12:56.720 Clearly this is hearsay, but my source is extremely credible and a highly respected person, and he knows Sliwa well. 0.76

00:13:02.140 Curtis, please correct the record if I got anything wrong.

00:13:04.640 What personal or other related expenses is your campaign paying for?

00:13:08.160 Is your wife and or other family or friends on the campaign payroll, or are they receiving any funding?

00:13:14.240 Please clarify the record.

00:13:16.400 I mean, it's getting rather desperate, Sean.

00:13:20.120 Yeah, look, I agree with you.

00:13:21.680 I'm a Republican, but you are actually the exact test case why I laid out the scenario that I did.

00:13:26.960 In order for someone like me or someone like, it sounds like you, to vote for a Democrat of the ilk of Andrew Cuomo, it would take literally someone like Sliwa saying, I am dropping out and I'm going to be part of this effort.

00:13:41.820 So you can have a clean conscience that when you're voting for Cuomo, you're actually kind of also voting for me because I have agreed to be part of the administration in some way.

00:13:51.040 And to Mark's point, I don't know that he wants a job, but I think the bigger question is, does he want to stop Mondami more than anything else? 0.69

00:13:57.780 And that's the question.

00:13:59.160 Where are those priorities?

00:14:00.380 He has every right to run.

00:14:01.580 He's a Republican.

00:14:02.940 But the math is such that if you look at Donald Trump got 735,000 votes out of the boroughs when he ran for president.

00:14:11.180 Curtis Sliwa got 300,000 last time that he ran.

00:14:14.160 Right.

00:14:14.260 He's underperforming even the Republican base.

00:14:17.100 That's a problem for him right now.

00:14:19.260 And look, I get it.

00:14:20.620 He has every right to stay in the race.

00:14:22.400 It's not his fault that Democrats dominated a guy like Mondami.

00:14:26.600 It's not his problem to solve.

00:14:28.520 The question is, does he care more about stopping Mondami or continuing this race? 1.00

00:14:33.000 And to Bill Ackman's point, I would just say this.

00:14:35.860 There are plenty of creative campaign finance ways that if he really needed the money or wanted to pay off a bunch of people,

00:14:43.000 he could front load a ton of expenses.

00:14:44.960 I mean, there's a way to get around all that creatively if that were actually the motive.

00:14:49.620 I don't think that that's the case because you could find a way to spend a lot of it and back channel it to yourself after the fact.

00:14:56.600 Not that I'm condoning that, but I'm just saying that there's plenty of creative ways that I've seen over 30 years in politics to take care of that problem.

00:15:05.400 Well, that's the question.

00:15:06.160 We're like, what, two weeks from election day?

00:15:08.860 It's like this would be the point at which he'd get off that horse.

00:15:13.440 You just buy yourself a bunch of like Uber black credits and then you ride the Ubers around.

00:15:17.480 Why doesn't Bill Ackman cut him a check?

00:15:19.440 He's got more money than God.

00:15:20.780 He could send him one check and then put an end to that if that were really the problem.

00:15:23.740 If that were the motive.

00:15:24.520 I don't think that's the motive.

00:15:26.100 Let me just play this one soundbite and tell me what you guys think about it because it went everywhere.

00:15:30.680 Sliwa went on the Nate Friedman show.

00:15:33.400 I thought it was very powerful.

00:15:34.900 Here's what he said.

00:15:35.500 Okay, if Mom Donnie wins, that you, so to speak, contributed to that. 1.00

00:15:41.440 Well, number one, Ackman is a jerk. 1.00

00:15:45.260 Has he been right yet? 1.00

00:15:47.160 Here's a guy who goes up to Newport, Rhode Island and thinks he's a professional tennis player.

00:15:52.240 Come on, Ackman.

00:15:53.360 Stay in your lane.

00:15:54.580 Does he know anything about politics?

00:15:56.380 No.

00:15:56.940 Does he live in New York City?

00:15:58.280 No.

00:15:58.620 He lives in Chapica, the whitest suburb of America, where even the lawn jockeys are white. 0.97

00:16:03.760 He may know Wall Street.

00:16:05.060 He may know hedge funds.

00:16:06.520 He has been wrong every step of the way with the billionaires.

00:16:09.640 So let's say people come to the conclusion, if somehow I lose, and we know Andrew Cuomo's lost.

00:16:15.760 He's already tossed in the town.

00:16:17.960 Oh, it's because of you, Curtis.

00:16:20.080 Because of, really?

00:16:22.060 It's because of the Democrats.

00:16:24.280 What is he?

00:16:25.120 Who created Zohan Mandami?

00:16:27.160 Who embraced him?

00:16:28.140 Who nourished him?

00:16:29.180 Who supported him?

00:16:30.540 And how dare you, people who know nothing about politics, suggest that everybody who's going

00:16:36.480 to vote for me is suddenly going to be reborn.

00:16:40.280 We love Andrew Cuomo. 0.93

00:16:42.660 He killed all these elderly. 1.00

00:16:45.080 He's a sexual harasser. 0.98

00:16:46.680 He told conservatives and Republicans in 2014, if you're conservative and you believe in right 0.97

00:16:52.840 to life and the Second Amendment, you have no place in New York.

00:16:56.660 You need to leave.

00:16:58.620 This is the result of the Democrats' self-destruction.

00:17:02.540 So I'm supposed to help them?

00:17:05.740 How come they don't help themselves?

00:17:07.580 I represent a major party line.

00:17:09.560 I have people running under me, council people, judges.

00:17:12.120 They put their heart and soul into it.

00:17:14.420 They support me.

00:17:15.240 I have more donations than Andrew Cuomo does matching funds.

00:17:19.660 So you know something?

00:17:20.500 This is called voting.

00:17:23.400 Since when do we not let people vote?

00:17:27.040 Billionaires determine the next mayor?

00:17:29.840 If they don't like it, they can leave.

00:17:32.000 They have options.

00:17:33.440 Blue-collar working class people don't.

00:17:35.540 Those are the people I'm representing, not Andrew Cuomo.

00:17:37.880 He's devastating.

00:17:40.480 He's very good.

00:17:41.840 Come on.

00:17:42.340 That's quite amazing.

00:17:43.440 Is it not, Dan?

00:17:45.680 Oh, absolutely.

00:17:46.900 And Megan, I don't know if you watched the debate, but he was very, very good.

00:17:51.040 I mean, if you didn't know who was who.

00:17:53.800 What did he say?

00:17:54.260 The author and the apprentice or the architect and the apprentice?

00:17:57.740 Yeah.

00:17:58.280 I mean, it was beautiful.

00:17:59.280 And conversely, to his point, Andrew Cuomo looked old and stilted and, you know, rambled

00:18:06.600 on and on.

00:18:08.440 And so I'm sure it is just grating at Sliwa to say, you know, he's got energy.

00:18:13.840 He's he's got more of his party behind him.

00:18:15.940 And that Cuomo is kind of in this like mushy area where he's just like he's not Mandani.

00:18:21.160 So we all need to rally to him.

00:18:22.620 So I look, I think just like Democrats ran RFK out, if you are going to get Sliwa out, 0.97

00:18:28.220 I think trying to insult him about payroll and family, not the way to do it.

00:18:33.120 Open your arms like Trump did to RFK.

00:18:35.360 Embrace him.

00:18:36.060 Bring him in.

00:18:37.020 Give him treat him with respect and dignity.

00:18:40.380 That's probably your best bet.

00:18:42.800 It was very clever of him, Mark, to in that soundbite, not not focus necessarily on all

00:18:49.320 the things about Cuomo that we know, but to speak to the things that do bother Republicans

00:18:53.500 about him, like that comment about the Second Amendment and abortion rights and you don't

00:18:58.420 belong in New York.

00:18:59.840 If you disagree with me on that, that's that's what makes a lot of people on the right say

00:19:04.220 over my dead body.

00:19:06.240 Am I voting for anyone named Cuomo in particular?

00:19:09.980 This one.

00:19:10.660 He's not exactly Fredo, but he's no Mario.

00:19:13.480 Well, yeah, well, this is this is why we're seven steps away from the race being competitive,

00:19:20.900 because it's not just about getting Curtis LeWy out.

00:19:23.500 It's about then trying to figure out how do you use Donald Trump, for instance.

00:19:27.700 Last minute robocalls would probably be more effective to Republicans than any public statement.

00:19:32.940 But Eric Trump yesterday, Donald Trump yesterday, they continue to talk about the race.

00:19:37.300 One of the fascinating things about Curtis, I think, is he's speaking the language of the

00:19:42.320 populist, right?

00:19:43.280 He's talking as a Republican about not letting billionaires decide the race.

00:19:48.240 And and what's interesting about the kind of connection between to me between Sliwa

00:19:52.880 and Mamdani is they're both anti-billionaire, right?

00:19:56.060 They're both anti-establishment.

00:19:57.580 Yeah, they're both saying, don't let the machine business as usual carry the day.

00:20:01.520 And that's one reason, even if the country isn't riveted by this, there's a lot to learn

00:20:05.560 here about the mood of the nation, even though it's New York and New York's different than

00:20:09.040 every place else.

00:20:09.840 It is an experiment to say these two guys are really striking a chord, whereas Cuomo has

00:20:15.100 not because they're talking like Donald Trump against against influence of special interests

00:20:21.360 against the status quo for change, not business as usual.

00:20:26.100 Sean Spicer, I have to say, for me, it's boiling down to and I don't get a vote anymore.

00:20:33.080 I left New York, but I was a New York City resident for 17 years recently.

00:20:36.740 So I feel connected to the city and we don't live that far from it.

00:20:40.960 So, you know, we go into New York all the time.

00:20:43.860 But for me, this is boiling down to whether forget forget the fact that Sra Mamdani is

00:20:49.840 a socialist.

00:20:50.600 OK, that's that's a big thing to forget.

00:20:52.540 But let's forget that for a second.

00:20:54.140 It's like between this guy, Cuomo, who is a terrible man who hates Republicans, who thinks

00:21:01.420 people like you and me should leave the state because of our good faith held beliefs, who 0.94

00:21:08.280 killed off a bunch of grandparents without even acknowledging who lied the sex pest thing. 0.58

00:21:15.760 Yes, that's out there, too. 0.99

00:21:17.060 And choosing someone who I actually believe doesn't give a shit that we were attacked by 1.00

00:21:23.500 Muslim terrorists on 9-11. 0.99

00:21:25.100 I actually think this big debate unfolded on Piers Morgan between a young conservative

00:21:33.500 woman and a young liberal guy.

00:21:36.640 They're both pundits about this guy's belief that Charlie Kirk was a bigot.

00:21:42.080 Why do you think he was a bigot?

00:21:43.240 She got in his face. 1.00

00:21:44.160 Oh, because he said he should just put on the hood.

00:21:47.600 Well, why did you say he should just put on the hood?

00:21:49.320 Oh, because he said something about Zoram Amdani and we shouldn't have this like Muslim 1.00

00:21:55.000 as a as a ruler, as a governor or a mayor in New York.

00:22:00.460 Charlie was right about that.

00:22:01.900 This guy scares me. 0.95

00:22:03.100 And it's not just because he happens to be Muslim.

00:22:05.080 It's because all the facts that have come out about this guy.

00:22:07.480 And I don't think I don't I'm just going to be honest.

00:22:10.000 Islam is not consistent with our Western lifestyle or values. 1.00

00:22:13.120 And I am not in favor of all of these hard Muslim representatives taking over as mayors 1.00

00:22:20.120 in our cities.

00:22:20.540 I'm not.

00:22:21.600 It's one thing if you're a Muslim who wants to assimilate, you want to become much more

00:22:24.620 like an American citizen.

00:22:26.160 It's quite another if you have traditional Muslim views, which see women as subjugated,

00:22:31.720 which don't believe in free speech, which do believe in merging the state and religion.

00:22:38.420 And by the way, the religion is not a great one.

00:22:41.100 Sorry.

00:22:41.440 And that's Zoram Mamdani.

00:22:44.080 That's what Charlie suspected.

00:22:45.860 And that's what the evidence is proving.

00:22:49.120 As we now learn that this guy, Mamdani, went arm in arm, all smiles with a man who absolutely

00:22:57.940 loved what happened to us in New York on 9-11.

00:23:01.320 His name is Siraj Wahaj.

00:23:05.080 And while he's been described by some, he's an imam at a big mosque in New York.

00:23:10.320 While he's been described to some by as an unindicted 1993 World Trade Center bombing,

00:23:15.360 the one that happened before 9-11, co-conspirator.

00:23:18.700 That's not exactly true.

00:23:19.700 He was never actually about to be indicted, says Andy McCarthy, who actually tried that

00:23:24.600 case against the blind shake.

00:23:25.800 But he was all in favor of it.

00:23:28.480 He was totally in favor of it.

00:23:30.320 And not just that, but this guy has gone on.

00:23:32.660 And I'm just going to give the audience a little, a little listen to Imam Siraj Wahaj,

00:23:38.920 who has endorsed Mamdani and who Mamdani is calling a pillar of the community, Sot 17.

00:23:46.780 You don't get into politics because it's the American thing to do.

00:23:57.040 You do it because politics can be a weapon to use in the cause of Islam. 0.99

00:24:04.180 Honor to die in jihad.

00:24:05.420 I'm going to defend this country.

00:24:07.800 You know what this country is? 1.00

00:24:10.460 It's a garbage can. 1.00

00:24:13.340 It's filthy. 1.00

00:24:15.380 It's filthy and sick. 0.91

00:24:17.800 Every day they will go to school and they'll put an American flag in front of these little 1.00

00:24:22.640 babies, Muslim babies. 0.98

00:24:25.800 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

00:24:29.940 which it stands. 1.00

00:24:31.620 Bullshit! 1.00

00:24:32.180 You tell me, Sean Spicer, whether we need to be deeply concerned about Zoram Mamdani. 1.00

00:24:41.260 Oh, you do.

00:24:42.700 And you're going to have another, he's going to have a buddy in Minneapolis soon too that

00:24:47.260 will be elected there.

00:24:48.460 Omar Fate.

00:24:48.700 But look, here's the thing that I don't get, Megan.

00:24:51.520 Like, this didn't just happen.

00:24:53.600 Like, they didn't get randomly pulled from a jar like it was the lottery at night.

00:24:57.720 They went through a process.

00:24:59.400 Because New York City had a primary where they chose him.

00:25:02.960 But think about the options they were given.

00:25:04.840 The current corrupt mayor, Adams, Cuomo with all of the issues that you laid out.

00:25:10.660 But wait, I want to talk about that.

00:25:11.880 But I want, can you address my point on the substance?

00:25:14.780 Yeah.

00:25:15.160 Because you went back to the politics of it.

00:25:16.320 Oh, I think you're right.

00:25:16.500 I mean, but this is my point though.

00:25:18.120 None of this is a surprise.

00:25:20.160 People chose that.

00:25:21.680 His association, he doesn't hide it.

00:25:23.760 He's not out there saying, I don't know this guy.

00:25:25.340 He's embracing him.

00:25:26.980 Like, there's a difference.

00:25:28.020 A lot of politicians would say, I don't even know this guy.

00:25:30.500 I only met him once.

00:25:31.360 That was just a photo.

00:25:32.640 Mondami's like, yeah, I know the guy.

00:25:34.060 He's great.

00:25:35.140 He tweeted it out.

00:25:37.180 Mondami's office tweeted it.

00:25:39.440 It's confidence or it's insanity.

00:25:41.160 I just can't imagine that close to early voting beginning, him openly doing this.

00:25:46.120 It's bizarre.

00:25:47.920 That's what I'm saying.

00:25:48.800 Like, this isn't a guy that's hiding these associations or these views.

00:25:52.160 I mean, he's also a guy that said that he has no problem taxing the white people, right? 0.75

00:25:57.020 This is, if this was any other scenario, you'd say that's blatant racism.

00:26:01.660 But people are like, oh, okay, what else does he want?

00:26:03.920 What else does he believe?

00:26:04.980 Like, I cannot believe with all of the things that this guy has said, all of the people that

00:26:10.380 he's associated with, all of the crazy background, that there's no outrage?

00:26:15.320 What is going on that this is sort of where the greatest city on earth is about to turn

00:26:21.500 to, to lead it going forward?

00:26:23.140 I don't think people know.

00:26:24.620 I don't think people do know this.

00:26:26.280 I really, I didn't know this and I've been following this race.

00:26:28.800 I did not know about the terror connection and it's real. 0.97

00:26:32.060 This, here's Andy McCarthy, who's been very honest about it.

00:26:36.000 He's the one who came out to say, not an unindicted co-conspirator, but not a good person.

00:26:40.900 He says, the New York Post is fair in describing Wahaj as a terror apologist. 1.00

00:26:46.440 That's in quotes.

00:26:47.640 In fact, says Andy, he testified as a defense witness at the criminal trial of the blind

00:26:54.060 sheik.

00:26:55.060 He showed up to back the guy who tried to bomb the World Trade Center the first time.

00:27:00.740 Now you've got Mamdani out there calling him, literally calling him a pillar of the

00:27:05.560 community.

00:27:05.920 As I point out, Mamdani is the one who tweeted out the photo of the, that we're looking at

00:27:10.580 now of the two of them arm in arm.

00:27:13.900 He has, according to the New York Post, he's urged jihad on New York City, on the Big Apple,

00:27:22.800 not Mamdani, but his BFF here.

00:27:25.060 This, this Imam, Suraj Wahaj. 0.97

00:27:28.300 Mamdani tweets out today.

00:27:29.900 This is just like a week ago.

00:27:33.680 Today at Masjid al-Takwa, I had the pleasure of meeting with Imam Suraj Wahaj, one of the

00:27:40.780 nation's foremost Muslim leaders and a pillar of the Bed-Stuy community for nearly half a

00:27:47.320 century.

00:27:48.780 This guy-

00:27:49.800 But maybe he then attacked Cuomo for not going to a mosque.

00:27:52.480 Like somehow that's the new threshold that you have to-

00:27:55.760 Well, that's another-

00:27:56.380 In a campaign.

00:27:56.880 Cuomo blew that too.

00:27:58.680 Yeah.

00:27:58.900 But my point is, is that he's doubling down on all this stuff.

00:28:02.620 This is not a guy that's walking away from it, distancing himself.

00:28:06.380 He's doubling down over and over again on this.

00:28:09.840 Well, and that's the interesting thing.

00:28:11.100 There was a point this summer when Mandani was quietly meeting with Jewish leaders and

00:28:16.060 business leaders, people that he had had trouble with and kind of gone after a little bit in

00:28:20.640 the primary to kind of try to make amends to build bridges.

00:28:24.620 But there have been a series of things that have come up where recently and in that debate,

00:28:29.780 and this is another instance, where he's not apologizing.

00:28:32.560 He's not backing away.

00:28:34.400 And I think, you know, personally, I don't have a problem with the fact that he is a Muslim.

00:28:38.820 I do have a problem when there are some people within his religion and within the New York 0.82

00:28:43.440 City community who have said things that are pretty abhorrent and taken, you know, those positions

00:28:48.040 to not to to not condemn it.

00:28:51.720 I mean, it is troubling.

00:28:53.160 And I do wonder it is late if this won't start to percolate around New York City more.

00:28:58.920 Oh, it's too late.

00:28:59.580 Here's some more about Wahaj.

00:29:02.660 He heads the Muslim Alliance in North America.

00:29:06.900 He, in a sermon in the early 2000s, by the way, his real name is Jeffrey Curse, born and

00:29:13.500 raised in Brooklyn.

00:29:14.340 Okay, Jeffrey.

00:29:16.120 He called for an army of 10,000 men to wage what he insisted was a gun-free jihad on New

00:29:22.840 York City.

00:29:23.220 I pray one day Allah will bless us to raise us an army.

00:29:27.220 And I'm serious about this, he said.

00:29:29.700 Don't pick up a gun.

00:29:30.700 No, just march.

00:29:31.460 March to the city of New York.

00:29:32.560 800,000 Muslims in New York City.

00:29:34.680 Can you imagine if 800,000 Muslims decide to march every day?

00:29:39.760 And it goes on and on.

00:29:42.360 Okay, he says this.

00:29:43.600 The LGBTQ community is a disease of this society and goes on to say, as you know, brothers and 1.00

00:29:50.360 sisters, you know what the punishment is. 1.00

00:29:52.320 If a man is found with another man, the prophet Muhammad said the one who does it and the one to 0.99

00:29:57.700 whom it is done to kill them both.

00:30:00.580 He discouraged his followers from open violence against the LGBTQ community, but instead insisted 0.99

00:30:06.680 that they should be invited to join Islam and make them feel uncomfortable. 1.00

00:30:11.660 Great.

00:30:12.260 This is great.

00:30:12.740 I hope my progressive leftist friends on the Upper West Side and Upper East Side are listening

00:30:16.540 to this.

00:30:17.260 This is his plan, his BFFs plan for the LGBTQ community, that they need to be invited to

00:30:23.400 join Islam and be uncomfortable. 1.00

00:30:25.380 And here's the last two, last point.

00:30:28.840 He also made headlines.

00:30:30.820 This is again from the New York Post, made headlines in 2018 when three of his children

00:30:36.060 were arrested for keeping 11 children in third world conditions in a compound made of garbage

00:30:43.880 in the New Mexico desert.

00:30:46.560 His three kids were there, including his son, who has his same name, and his son was training

00:30:54.840 a 13-year-old, along with the 13-year-old's teen brother, to fight against non-believers

00:31:02.160 through techniques, including rapid reloads and hand-to-hand combat.

00:31:08.760 Wahaj insisted that he was the one who called the police on his six son and two daughters leading

00:31:14.120 to their arrest.

00:31:15.560 How bad were their crimes?

00:31:17.260 They were sentenced to life in prison last year.

00:31:22.280 I'm just going to go out there on a limb and say, if my three children wind up committing

00:31:27.540 themselves to the jihad and weapons training, and they're living in a compound made of garbage 0.98

00:31:34.560 in the desert, it's kind of on me.

00:31:37.800 Maybe I'm old-fashioned, Mark Halpern.

00:31:40.180 You're very old-fashioned, Megan.

00:31:41.200 I'll tell you the other dog that is not barking here, and it's just such an outrage, the New 1.00

00:31:45.620 York Times.

00:31:46.580 Can you imagine how the New York Times would cover a Republican candidate who's associated

00:31:50.480 with people with those views on LGBTQ?

00:31:53.320 They cover Mondami like he's Barack Obama 2008.

00:31:57.720 Beautiful smile, inspirational, Gandhi using new media in creative ways.

00:32:03.560 All true, but they're silent on all these issues.

00:32:07.620 The New York Post has covered them extensively, but the New York Times coverage of this race,

00:32:11.700 the media generally, there's been no scrutiny of the guy on all these things that you're

00:32:15.440 raising here.

00:32:17.020 New Yorkers don't know because they're not being covered.

00:32:21.120 There's one more.

00:32:23.780 Wahaj, this imam, is a mentor of Brooklyn-based Muslim activist Linda Sarsour.

00:32:29.740 According to this intelligence report that the Post got its hands on, Sarsour, Sensor, has

00:32:36.360 called Mamdani, or no, no, not Mamdani, Wahaj, my favorite person in the room.

00:32:43.120 She is the same person who, in reference to Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Brigitte Gabriel, both of 0.97

00:32:48.120 whom are amazing women, said, she's asking for an ass whooping. 1.00

00:32:54.720 I wish I could take their vaginas away. 1.00

00:32:57.040 They don't deserve to be women. 1.00

00:32:59.220 That's who loves the same imam. 0.84

00:33:02.800 That's who's probably going to be showing up to the Mamdani swearing in ceremony if, 0.99

00:33:08.660 in fact, you are right that he should measure the drapes because it's his.

00:33:12.860 It's so disturbing.

00:33:14.240 There's one more sound budget that I wanted to play.

00:33:18.040 Hold on a second.

00:33:18.920 It is, do we have it?

00:33:22.200 Oh, it's Mamdani's staffer, Robert Ackley, talking to Stephen Crowder operative undercover

00:33:32.660 about the NYPD and how they feel about cops.

00:33:38.140 Sot19.

00:33:39.520 This is what they think.

00:33:40.740 You're a city employee until you get told what to do.

00:33:45.560 Sot up.

00:33:46.760 When did you get an opinion? 0.99

00:33:49.200 It started with who gives a shit what they think. 0.99

00:33:52.100 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:33:52.940 I guess these aren't going to be issues.

00:33:54.820 Like, why not?

00:33:56.380 Like, truly, why not?

00:33:57.700 What's happened to the Democrat Party?

00:33:59.040 What's happened to New Yorkers?

00:34:02.020 Well, look, you got to remember that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer still haven't endorsed

00:34:05.440 the guy, right?

00:34:06.220 And as I said, he's going to be the next mayor.

00:34:09.580 And it says something when even those guys distance themselves.

00:34:12.660 But to Mark's point, if a Republican had a donor that had said crazy stuff like this,

00:34:17.860 they would be going nuts.

00:34:19.060 Are you giving the money back?

00:34:20.240 How much atonement must you do to prove that you didn't know this?

00:34:24.480 And here we are over and over again with things and people and comments that Mandami has

00:34:29.520 associated with praised, et cetera, and nothing, not a peep, no mainstream media outrage investigations,

00:34:37.580 et cetera.

00:34:37.800 The New York Times Magazine this Sunday was a glowing multi-page profile on how this guy

00:34:45.220 is the coming of the next political Jesus.

00:34:47.740 It was unbelievable.

00:34:49.260 And they just ignore it.

00:34:51.740 Ignore it.

00:34:52.500 Well, and this is the problem is, you know, those comments about policing, his comments

00:34:57.460 about taxes when, you know, the city's having a problem with him going to Florida and other

00:35:02.200 places.

00:35:03.180 Megan, you know this area well.

00:35:04.660 The Democrats, in order to win the House of Representatives back, are trying to pick

00:35:07.700 up those seats out on Long Island, up the Hudson River that are more kind of swing districts.

00:35:12.520 This stuff is poison in those areas.

00:35:14.540 I mean, forget the Senate race in North Carolina, Ohio, you know, places you wouldn't even begin

00:35:19.140 to talk about socialism as the pillar of your party.

00:35:22.180 It's toxic just a few miles across both rivers in this area.

00:35:26.700 And yet there's no one in the party on a national level pushing back.

00:35:31.100 There's either silence or kind of, you know, holding their nose and saying they're with them.

00:35:37.460 Sean mentioned the glowing New York Times piece.

00:35:39.040 I have to read you the Washington Post headline.

00:35:40.600 It's my favorite.

00:35:41.440 And again, very reminiscent of the coverage of Obama 2008.

00:35:44.820 Hazoran Mandami is charming a famously hard-nosed city.

00:35:50.040 Nothing, nothing about, nothing about terrorism in there.

00:35:53.480 No, where's the profile of his BFF?

00:35:56.600 Yes.

00:35:57.040 The smiling socialist promise of a more affordable New York City has vaulted him to the top of

00:36:01.940 mayoral polls.

00:36:03.980 I am genuinely scared.

00:36:05.640 I'm genuinely scared for our city.

00:36:07.200 I mean, if Curtis drops out and it's truly just between Cuomo and Mom Donnie and I'm living

00:36:14.060 in New York, I would vote for Cuomo.

00:36:17.300 I threw up in my mouth.

00:36:19.140 I would, as between these two.

00:36:21.100 I think I'd, I don't know.

00:36:23.560 I prefer somebody who wants, somebody who hates me versus someone who likes to associate

00:36:28.740 with people who want to potentially kill me. 0.53

00:36:30.920 That's kind of where I am.

00:36:33.980 Thanks a lot.

00:36:34.620 Doesn't fit in a bumper sticker, but it's pretty good.

00:36:37.280 I just, like, I don't, I can't even, I don't understand this.

00:36:42.760 I don't know my city.

00:36:44.500 I only saw clips in the first debate, which is why, again, if you watch tonight's, you

00:36:49.080 get time served for any crime that you commit in the future.

00:36:51.320 Uh, and, and Cuomo went into that thing like a, like a little lamb.

00:36:55.300 He was just like the assembly man, da, da, da, da.

00:36:58.220 I'm like, you're, you elevated him.

00:36:59.840 You treated him with respect.

00:37:00.840 Ozempic kills your testosterone, as it turns out.

00:37:05.160 What's that?

00:37:06.300 I said Ozempic kills your testosterone.

00:37:09.440 It's just my opinion.

00:37:10.700 He's awfully thin versus where he was before. 0.98

00:37:13.480 I thought it was pathetic. 0.97

00:37:15.000 I actually thought his performance, any attempt to score political points on him were horribly 0.99

00:37:21.220 missing the target.

00:37:22.520 It was, I just, the whole waste to me.

00:37:24.920 That's why I'm telling you, it's over.

00:37:26.560 Sorry.

00:37:26.880 I mean, he, somebody has to do something tonight that is a game changer.

00:37:31.000 Somebody not named Zora Mamdani.

00:37:33.220 And this is it.

00:37:34.220 This is their last chance.

00:37:35.400 Including the moderators.

00:37:37.260 Yeah.

00:37:37.920 Who didn't really press Mamdani in that, in that first debate.

00:37:42.840 I mean, he contradicted himself on some of those answers about policing and about taxing.

00:37:47.880 But to your point, Cuomo was a mess.

00:37:50.040 If you had said there's three candidates up there, one with a ton of experience, one who's

00:37:54.520 a newcomer and one who's been around, you know, kind of for a few years on the periphery.

00:37:58.940 You would have thought Cuomo was the newcomer because he was so rambling and just kind of

00:38:02.960 rigid.

00:38:03.420 And you would have thought Madani had been in politics for 30 years.

00:38:07.220 He was confident, cool, calm, had package responses, quick on his feet.

00:38:13.200 It's tough.

00:38:13.820 Uh, that's, that's how they get you to buy the snake oil that the product is no good. 0.68

00:38:18.860 The salesman has to be smooth, you know, it's, and there are guys like that.

00:38:23.180 And he absolutely is one of them.

00:38:25.120 Um, okay, let's keep going.

00:38:26.400 Cause the Virginia race is actually very interesting too.

00:38:28.840 And that one's heating up.

00:38:31.220 Unfortunately, not, not as much heat at the top level for the actual governor's house,

00:38:36.400 the state house, but that attorney general race was shifted.

00:38:40.880 It was turned pretty massively by those vile texts that came out from Jay Jones, who is

00:38:48.240 the democratic candidate for attorney general in Virginia, who would love to see Republicans 0.98

00:38:52.420 and their children killed. 0.95

00:38:54.420 Um, and though he's really sorry for saying it repeatedly in writing and via phone call

00:38:59.180 many times, but he's sorry.

00:39:01.300 Uh, so the, the race has tightened considerably to the point where I think he's probably going

00:39:06.440 to lose that race.

00:39:07.440 Now I realized Spanberger could help get him over the top cause she's still pulling over 1.00

00:39:11.400 wins some Sears, but I want to know what you guys think.

00:39:13.800 The latest numbers are as follows in the AG race in Virginia.

00:39:17.980 Uh, back in July, Jones was up nine last month.

00:39:21.900 He was up six.

00:39:22.960 Then the scandal broke of the texts and now his GOP opponent, Mieras leads up three.

00:39:29.500 So, I mean, that's a, that's a 12 point swing since July, a nine point swing from September,

00:39:38.460 but it's still within the margin of error.

00:39:41.380 So what do you guys think is going to happen with that Virginia AG race?

00:39:45.380 And then we'll talk about the top of the ticket.

00:39:47.980 Well, I'll jump in as the voter in the Commonwealth of Virginia here.

00:39:52.400 Uh, look, Jason Mieras is doing a great job.

00:39:54.880 He's raising enough money, but importantly, you, you pointed out, right, that the tide

00:39:59.320 is with him.

00:40:00.100 And in the final 12 days of a campaign, you want to be swimming with the tide, not against

00:40:05.160 it.

00:40:05.400 Uh, Mieras is, is in great position right now.

00:40:08.300 He is not taking his foot off the gas pedal when it comes to highlighting, not just what

00:40:12.720 Jay Jones said about former speaker, Todd Gilbert, but what he would do to Todd's wife

00:40:17.500 and their children.

00:40:18.600 That's where I think you're getting a lot of this really resonating is it's not just, I wanted 0.99

00:40:22.700 to kill Todd Gilbert and use two bullets to do it. 0.98

00:40:25.100 It's, I actually wanted Todd's wife to see, uh, his dead child lie in her arms. 0.99

00:40:30.780 And that's despicable.

00:40:31.860 So to an all new level, uh, that you really can't explain away.

00:40:35.380 And you talk about people in the fifth and ninth district, like that's just a non-starter.

00:40:39.840 Jay Jones is going to have a very tough time to begin with in, in a lot of the state where

00:40:45.020 he needed to do well, especially in Northern Virginia.

00:40:47.880 And that's just going to take them down. 0.88

00:40:49.540 I think Mieras wins that race by about five points.

00:40:52.720 You move to the middle where you've got the, the Lieutenant governor's race.

00:40:55.980 Polling now has that as a dead even race.

00:40:58.000 I believe this is your generic ballot race in Virginia, John Reed versus, uh, Ghazala

00:41:03.140 Hashmi.

00:41:03.580 And, and neither one of them have a ton of money.

00:41:06.320 Ghazala is now up in DC television, uh, giving her some, you know, a helpful bump in the Northern

00:41:11.400 Virginia area where she needs to run up the score, but she hasn't denounced Jay Jones either.

00:41:15.520 Neither one of them have the ad money to really go toe to toe with each other.

00:41:19.900 So this is where the, the top of the ticket will probably decide if Winsome Sears can beat 0.58

00:41:25.620 Abigail Spanberger, John Reed, the Lieutenant governor comes over the top.

00:41:29.460 Uh, I think that those races are probably linked together.

00:41:32.940 Winsome to her credit has gotten the race within the margin of error.

00:41:35.880 So, you know, some have her down dead, even some have her down to some have her down a little

00:41:40.360 bit more, but it's right there.

00:41:41.940 And the question is, can her ground game put her over the top? 0.97

00:41:45.660 Abigail Spanberger had a really bad debate the other night where she just stood silent.

00:41:49.800 Oh, and, and I think she really, again, a missed opportunity there.

00:41:54.360 Um, Winsome just has to get the final funding.

00:41:56.760 The RGA, the Republican governor association came in with another $3 million.

00:42:01.120 Winsome says that she's doing really well now with fundraising.

00:42:03.720 So the question is, can you get enough in there?

00:42:06.760 Now, one big difference between New York and Virginia, to my dismay, is that in Virginia,

00:42:11.600 we have way too early voting.

00:42:13.400 We had about 355,000 people that voted before the Jay Jones scandal broke.

00:42:17.880 And the question is, where were those votes coming from?

00:42:20.800 Still a little unclear, uh, where the early vote is ended up.

00:42:24.560 But that's the biggest problem.

00:42:25.740 Because in Virginia, we don't vote by registration, by party registration.

00:42:29.020 Well, you raised an interesting point there that I hadn't considered, uh, Mark and Dan,

00:42:33.440 you guys can weigh in if you want, which is, I never considered like an upward draft.

00:42:40.740 You know, that like, maybe these Republicans who are like, I'm getting off of the couch.

00:42:45.880 I've never voted in an attorney general race before in my life.

00:42:49.800 But that is my reason for going down to these polls and voting Republican today to make sure

00:42:55.000 Jay Jones does not get this job.

00:42:57.000 And while I'm here, let me just fill in the circle for Winsome Sears. 1.00

00:43:00.760 Is that a thing?

00:43:01.500 Have we seen upward drafts before?

00:43:04.420 Most political professionals laugh when, when the notion of reverse coattails are mentioned.

00:43:08.960 But I think this may be a special case because the Jones thing has gotten so much coverage.

00:43:13.940 And, and because there's so little money for advertising, the, the, the media coverage

00:43:18.740 plays a bigger role, like in a presidential race.

00:43:21.120 And, and I think that the failure of the Democrats to denounce Jones, to say that he shouldn't be

00:43:26.160 the nominee has really had an impact on, on the news environment.

00:43:29.680 And Republicans have done a very good job of mobilizing off of it.

00:43:32.640 So I think if Spanberger wins by more than six, I think, I think she'll save the bottom

00:43:38.560 of the ticket.

00:43:39.680 But if it's closer than that.

00:43:40.700 Including AG.

00:43:41.540 Yeah.

00:43:42.020 If by six or more, I think probably the Democrats sweep.

00:43:45.560 But, but if it's, if it's less than that, then I think, I think Jones will lose.

00:43:50.060 The turning little secret is Jones has a horrible relationship with most of the Democratic

00:43:53.840 party in his state.

00:43:55.180 They're all inexplicably standing by him.

00:43:57.540 I still don't quite understand why, but there's not a lot of support for him personally.

00:44:02.020 And I think that's having, having an impact on, on the, the organizers, the, the grassroots

00:44:06.320 part of the establishment.

00:44:07.480 So the Democrats are doing their best to hang on that.

00:44:10.500 Pete Buttigieg went in, Obama's going in, they're going to try to rally their voters.

00:44:14.540 But as Sean said, the momentum is, is in one direction.

00:44:17.260 And the Jones thing has really stayed resonant in the news coverage.

00:44:20.780 So when some serious is going to be on this program tomorrow, just want to let, to let

00:44:27.060 everybody know that.

00:44:27.780 So we'll get to talk to her about some of this ourselves.

00:44:30.040 Go ahead.

00:44:30.500 Yeah.

00:44:30.640 Sean.

00:44:30.920 And then the pollsters that I've talked to are, are basically have said to me, people

00:44:34.580 who get information from the legacy media, particularly older voters, this has had a

00:44:38.540 tremendous impact, but people at the lower end where they're, they're cut the cord, they

00:44:43.460 use influencers or get their information from social media have not been as moved.

00:44:48.460 And that's where the ticket's going to struggle right now.

00:44:50.240 Can they reach out beyond legacy media to get that message out using digital strategies,

00:44:55.480 influencers, et cetera?

00:44:56.900 That's critical for these guys, for Sears, Winsome, for John Reed and Jason Villarres.

00:45:01.620 They've got to really use tactics that probably their consultants don't get paid as much by

00:45:07.040 doing if they go in that direction.

00:45:09.120 But the other thing that's really fascinating, and I know at least it's in the mind of some

00:45:12.860 Virginians here, is back when Governor Ralph Northam was caught either in blackface 0.78

00:45:17.240 or a KKK outfit, we can't remember which one, every one of those people, Senator Tim Kaine,

00:45:22.700 Abigail Spanberger, then a member of Congress, all said he should resign as the current incumbent

00:45:28.840 governor in Virginia.

00:45:30.240 And yet when Jay Jones talks about assassinating a political opponent and wishing that his child

00:45:35.400 was dead in his mother's arms, they say that's up to him to decide.

00:45:39.040 So you'll call one guy out, not another.

00:45:41.740 I think there's a couple of through lines there that I can explore.

00:45:45.320 Not for nothing, but it was children, multiple children belonging to the House Speaker who

00:45:50.100 he wanted to see dead in their mother's arms.

00:45:53.040 On that front about Abigail Spanberger, she's just like, it's not my problem.

00:45:56.960 You know, it's like, it's the AG.

00:45:59.960 Listen to her on Katie Couric's podcast.

00:46:03.200 You guys may have seen this online yesterday.

00:46:04.540 on this whole topic.

00:46:06.320 She doesn't like to be talking about this.

00:46:09.040 Sot, too.

00:46:10.880 If I'm being very honest, we are three weeks away from an election in Virginia.

00:46:16.560 I have worked tirelessly for two years running for this office.

00:46:22.140 I announced in November 2023 the fact that I and I say this with all due respect because,

00:46:29.560 you know, I think it's a fair thing for you to ask about.

00:46:31.280 The fact that I have to spend even a moment's time talking about somebody else's text messages

00:46:38.220 from years ago rather than what I want to do as governor is something that I am deeply unhappy

00:46:46.580 about.

00:46:47.200 What we, the collective we would have done, you know, had this information come to light

00:46:51.960 much earlier.

00:46:53.220 I will say this.

00:46:54.400 Um, I would be much, much happier, uh, as a candidate if I could just talk about all

00:47:00.080 of the things that I am for.

00:47:03.200 Oh, she doesn't like to be asked about the scandals of her fellow Democrat whom she endorsed. 0.99

00:47:10.360 Boo fucking who? 1.00

00:47:11.440 I think that will be in the textbooks of how not to answer a question like that. 0.99

00:47:17.880 I mean, she seemed indignant.

00:47:19.300 Like, how could you, you know, this is a real nuisance instead of taking it as an opportunity

00:47:23.760 to show leadership to say and pass the common sense test, which is it's obviously, you know,

00:47:28.580 crazy and disqualifying.

00:47:31.340 Look, the reason she's not going to say that is the black vote is very important to the 0.96

00:47:34.800 Democratic Party.

00:47:35.580 And there's a reason so many Democrats are, were silent.

00:47:39.140 I didn't even know Jay Jones was black, by the way.

00:47:40.980 I didn't even know he was black.

00:47:42.140 Even when I saw him, he did not look black to me.

00:47:44.040 I'm only, I only, he has to go the Kareem Jean-Pierre route and just tell everybody I'm

00:47:48.340 black at the beginning of his debates and his interviews if he really wants that to get

00:47:51.900 out there.

00:47:52.320 Keep going, Dan.

00:47:53.740 Well, and, and, and so one of the issues for Democrats, and this is true in New Jersey

00:47:57.260 and true in Virginia, there's worries about enthusiasm.

00:48:00.420 I think all throughout this campaign, the thought of Democrats is because of Doge,

00:48:05.580 we're not going to have any problem turning out Northern Virginia.

00:48:08.000 We're not going to have any problem turning out Democrats.

00:48:12.160 Well, you've begun to see some evidence that Democrats are kind of not really motivated.

00:48:16.780 Spanberger has not run a great campaign.

00:48:18.980 Amazing.

00:48:19.540 Just the summer, people around her were talking about her running for president immediately 0.73

00:48:23.800 after getting, getting elected.

00:48:26.420 I think that is now, you know, briefly on hold, but I think, you know, yeah.

00:48:31.620 I mean, part of this is now is how much has this between the Charlie Kirk assassination

00:48:36.720 between this, are Republicans going to be fired up and turn out and how can Democrats

00:48:42.780 get over the finish line and not potentially, you know, kind of blow this away?

00:48:48.780 By the way, can I say one thing that we don't, that's not really come at the forefront of

00:48:54.040 this, why she reacted the way she did, obviously she doesn't want to talk about it, even though

00:48:58.740 she endorsed the guy, but it's their view of the media, right?

00:49:01.820 Hey, Katie Kirk, how dare you ask me a tough question?

00:49:04.480 This is supposed to be a softball. 0.99

00:49:05.700 This is what I expect from you guys, right?

00:49:08.120 That's their view.

00:49:09.320 You're not supposed to ask me a tough question.

00:49:11.920 I'm not supposed to be challenged.

00:49:13.320 I get softball questions.

00:49:15.160 How dare you question me like this?

00:49:16.860 It was listed as a home game on her schedule.

00:49:20.300 Yeah, exactly right.

00:49:23.080 So then, so here they bring up the other big issue in the race, Kirk does, and they both

00:49:26.960 have the same exact attitude about it.

00:49:28.740 And that is the trans issue with all these so-called trans girls, which is a boy going 1.00

00:49:35.680 into girls' locker rooms and bathrooms, which is a very real issue, especially in Loudoun 1.00

00:49:40.700 County, which is a beautiful place to live.

00:49:43.740 When I lived in Virginia, I lived there for a couple of years, your goal was to live in

00:49:48.100 Loudoun County.

00:49:48.740 It was so pretty, and it was sort of bucolic and kind of country, kind of rural. 0.92

00:49:54.720 To think that these people now have to be persuaded that this lunatic shouldn't be elected, 0.79

00:49:59.360 Spanberger, because she wants boys in girls' rooms. 1.00

00:50:03.560 Like, how is that not an immediate deal-breaker that ends it?

00:50:06.040 Meanwhile, instead, they're ground zero on this issue.

00:50:09.080 And here's Kirk asking Spanberger about it.

00:50:12.260 It's SOT 3.

00:50:14.880 I have a feeling you might feel the same way, that this is a distraction from your goals

00:50:20.620 as governor.

00:50:22.280 But, you know, a big topic, both in the recent presidential race and now in the gubernatorial

00:50:28.380 race in Virginia, has been transgender rights. 0.51

00:50:32.100 I'm just curious why you think this has become such an animating issue in this race.

00:50:38.880 And I think the real challenge is there's a lot of people who've, you know, never met

00:50:43.520 a trans person, whether they're a trans youth or an adult.

00:50:48.260 And so there's a real effort to engage in some level of fear-mongering and talking to

00:50:54.120 my daughters, trying to gauge, you know, their opinions of things.

00:50:58.020 And, you know, they somewhat, one of them somewhat comically said, like, nobody likes to use the

00:51:02.520 bathroom at school anyway.

00:51:04.000 It's so messy and, you know, everybody's loud, et cetera.

00:51:06.620 Yeah, and it seems like it really has played an outsized role in these campaigns when it

00:51:16.160 really affects very few people.

00:51:19.440 You out-of-touch millionaire, you know what I was going to say, fear-mongering?

00:51:26.000 Listen to them.

00:51:26.600 Oh, it's just a question about messy bathrooms. 0.99

00:51:28.400 A girl was raped in a Loudoun County school bathroom, which then was lied about and her dad

00:51:34.300 was arrested for making a big deal out of it.

00:51:36.420 It was a national scandal.

00:51:38.200 Is that going to work?

00:51:39.680 Why don't more people care?

00:51:40.780 We got 25 seconds to break.

00:51:42.020 Who wants to take it?

00:51:44.040 I'll just say as a Democrat, what's really, really depressing about this is that was the

00:51:48.220 same attitude we had about immigration four years ago.

00:51:50.980 It's a made-up issue and it's not real.

00:51:53.080 And here we are again trying to just, you know, wash it away instead of confronting the

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00:55:31.240 Did you want to say something, Sean, now that we are post-break on the Katie Couric exchange with, what's her name there, in Virginia, Spanberger?

00:55:40.520 My apologies to the team there.

00:55:43.040 All I say is that one of the things, Abigail may not want to talk about that, but the reality is in Virginia, if she is elected, what we call the second reading in Virginia will happen, and parental rights will be taken away from their kids, whether it's trans or abortions. 0.70

00:55:57.180 That's the big, dirty secret Democrats don't want to talk about, but they're all advancing to their own base.

00:56:02.580 Parental rights are on the ballot this year, whether it's the trans issue, the ability to have an abortion, and it will be codified in the Constitution that parents don't need to be notified anymore.

00:56:12.160 And this is a very scary thing.

00:56:14.040 I understand why they don't want to talk about it, but this is what's really going on beneath the surface in Virginia.

00:56:20.020 What do you mean, like, they're going to remove parental notification laws for abortions and what else?

00:56:25.360 And for trans rights.

00:56:26.240 I mean, they will take the parents.

00:56:27.940 So if you wanted a transition, before it was pretty obvious that a parent had to be notified the same way you would if you wanted an aspirin from the school nurse.

00:56:34.680 What the Democrats have conjured is the ability to remove parents from the equation.

00:56:38.740 So you won't need parental notification in the issue of abortion.

00:56:42.120 You won't need it when you talk about transitioning, any of this.

00:56:44.940 They're removing the ability from parents to stand in the middle.

00:56:48.240 And again, this is a big issue that's, you know, on the Republicans are trying to make sure that people are aware of this.

00:56:54.080 Democrats don't want to talk about it.

00:56:56.000 But it's gotten itself through the process where once it gets through the second right now, the Democrats control the House of Delegates.

00:57:03.200 The Senate is controlled by the House of Delegates.

00:57:05.040 If they get the governor back, it then will get re-signed and it's over.

00:57:09.580 Can I make a broader point about what I think is going on here?

00:57:12.420 The Democrats are still addicted to two things.

00:57:15.600 They're addicted to hating Trump and they're addicted to being protected by the legacy media.

00:57:21.680 And so at a time when we're having all these debates in the country brought about by Donald Trump's election about DEI policies, about academic university policies, etc., the Democrats aren't having this debate.

00:57:36.040 The smart people in the party know that the reason Spanberger and Cheryl, the candidate in New Jersey, are being tied in knots over these trans issues is they're still afraid of the base of the party.

00:57:45.720 They know where the electorate is, but they're afraid to go there.

00:57:48.680 And what these elections are proving is that even though there's the lessons of Kamala Harris' defeat, a year later, the Democrats still aren't having their intraparty debate that the smartest strategies I know say they have to have before the midterms of the presidential or the issues that cost them in 24 will cost them in 26 and 28.

00:58:06.380 Or at least come close.

00:58:36.380 Like, he almost did it a couple of times before, but New Jersey seems to be morphing a lot more purplish red than it has in recent elections.

00:58:48.280 And you tell me whether Kelsey Grammer can save the day because he grew up in New Jersey and just dropped this ad for the Republican candidate for governor, Jack Cittarelli.

00:58:59.680 Watch this.

00:59:00.000 Hi, Kelsey Grammer here.

00:59:04.000 I grew up in New Jersey.

00:59:05.260 I love this state.

00:59:06.720 When I was a boy, folks would stand up for what's right and not wait for someone else to fix our problems.

00:59:11.280 This last decade or so, it seems we've lost our way.

00:59:14.340 Taxes keep climbing.

00:59:15.500 Crimes on the rise.

00:59:16.780 Trenton's filled with politicians talking big and doing nothing.

00:59:19.920 It's time.

00:59:21.140 It's time to lower taxes and let families breathe again.

00:59:23.980 It's time to protect our girls and preserve fairness in women's sports. 1.00

00:59:28.160 It's time to make New Jersey safe again and stop overdevelopment that's crowding every corner of our suburban communities.

00:59:34.200 It's time to get energy rates under control.

00:59:36.680 Families shouldn't have to choose between heating their homes and feeding themselves.

00:59:40.480 Finally, it's time to restore integrity, accountability, and pride in Trenton.

00:59:45.880 Time to believe again in honest leadership and restore the promise of this state.

00:59:49.640 Jack Cittarelli will lead with strength, decency, and respect for all who love New Jersey and call it home.

00:59:56.980 We've waited long enough.

00:59:58.780 It's time.

01:00:00.340 Oh, Frazier.

01:00:02.560 So that race is within three points now, according to the latest poll.

01:00:08.580 Three points is tight.

01:00:10.040 I do feel a little like Lucy with the football in hoping for, right, good things out of New Jersey for Republicans.

01:00:16.960 But how do you guys see it?

01:00:18.000 I think Democrats feel better today than they did two weeks ago in that the Republican has kind of stalled.

01:00:25.320 He was climbing.

01:00:26.440 Momentum was clearly with him.

01:00:28.680 I mean, once again, the Democratic candidate, Nikki Sherrill, had a terrible debate. 0.90

01:00:32.760 She had some very bad interviews, most famously, where she was asked about money she made while she was in Congress.

01:00:40.120 And she kind of said, well, I'm not really sure about that.

01:00:43.320 It was $7 million, to which most people said, I would know if I suddenly had $7 million in my bank account.

01:00:49.340 She just clearly wasn't prepared.

01:00:50.940 She clearly couldn't speak.

01:00:53.020 Here, too, there are real questions about, you know, can Democrats turn out in places like Newark and other areas that used to be reliably Democratic?

01:01:01.980 Are those voters continuing to drift away?

01:01:05.480 Can Republicans turn turn out working class voters of color that Trump made inroads in?

01:01:12.900 Democrats remain very nervous.

01:01:14.720 They have since June, but they feel better today than they did two weeks ago.

01:01:18.620 No Trump on the ticket.

01:01:20.440 Go ahead, Mark.

01:01:20.900 Spectacular ad.

01:01:22.780 I have to say, first of all, the narration by Dr. Frazier Crane was outstanding.

01:01:27.340 Just perfect.

01:01:27.840 It was.

01:01:28.700 It made you want to settle into, like, a comfy chair with a blankie and your cocoa.

01:01:34.060 I'm going to go back and listen to that before I record the next episode of Next Up, because I'm going to steal some of these craft tricks there.

01:01:40.080 But the thematic, I think, is perfect for what they're trying to do.

01:01:43.320 It's time, right?

01:01:44.220 All the issues he raises, energy costs, traffic congestion, jobs, all these things are problems in New Jersey.

01:01:54.000 So I think that message not just fits the mood of the state and is what the same kinds of things that got Chris Christie elected.

01:02:01.800 So even though it's become a very blue state, they haven't elected a Republican senator in forever or voted for a Republican for president, I think, since Bush 43 or 41.

01:02:11.560 And they did let Chris Christie that long go on all the same kind of themes, corruption in Trenton, economics out of whack, et cetera.

01:02:19.600 So I agree with Dan that Cittarelli's momentum is not what it was.

01:02:24.540 But no one I know in either party who works in the state familiar with this race, no one would be surprised if Cittarelli won.

01:02:31.340 No one.

01:02:32.400 This is an interesting thing.

01:02:33.980 I mean, she's literally getting swift voted.

01:02:35.960 So Mikey Sherrill went to the U.S. Naval Academy.

01:02:37.620 There's a massive cheating scandal and Cittarelli has put her on her heels on this issue, which is kind of fascinating that here she is trying to use that as a strength.

01:02:46.980 She was a Navy helo pilot and she's on her heels about her own service because of this cheating scandal at the academy. 0.99

01:02:52.620 She didn't walk in her graduation.

01:02:54.300 She was accused of doing something, but we're not exactly sure what because she won't release the records.

01:02:58.660 Right.

01:02:58.800 Well, not only that, but also there's been complete and utter silence from her about what really happened.

01:03:04.920 And that's a shame because what she thought and what the National Democrat leaders thought is that this is going to be a woman who's got an amazing resume, as was the case with Abigail Spanberger here in Virginia.

01:03:14.580 And it's turned out to be a liability.

01:03:16.640 Look, I agree with Dan and Mark that this is right now.

01:03:18.900 He surged at the wrong time a little too early.

01:03:21.820 But I still think this is where the ground game is going to matter tremendously on both sides.

01:03:26.240 And to Dan's point, the question is, are those traditional coalitions that are so critical to the Democrats, especially the black vote in like northern New Jersey, going to turn back out again?

01:03:36.920 Trenton in New Jersey.

01:03:37.760 I mean, like, that's the thing.

01:03:39.040 I don't get the sense that they've got a lot of excitement there to go out and vote, even the way they did for like a Harris and Biden last time.

01:03:46.560 So he may not have surged at the exact right time, but I think Cittarelli can still pull this thing out.

01:03:53.580 It may not be pretty.

01:03:54.580 It may not be by a lot.

01:03:56.060 But I think he's got more of an edge than she does at this time.

01:04:00.300 We grew up in New York State, upstate.

01:04:02.720 And my mom's brother grew up or had his family live and raised them in New Jersey.

01:04:07.840 So we always had family rivalries on which state was better, New York versus New Jersey.

01:04:11.980 Of course, I was on Team New York.

01:04:13.040 And it goes on.

01:04:14.860 You could hear it in the way I kicked off the segment, even though, again, I own property there.

01:04:19.840 And one time we were driving there from New York City.

01:04:21.820 You always have to pass Newark and those awful power plants, which just you can smell them.

01:04:27.380 The con ed stuff.

01:04:28.160 Yeah.

01:04:28.440 Yeah.

01:04:28.840 It smells so bad.

01:04:30.040 Like the pollution comes and gets you on the highway on your way, you know, down to New Jersey.

01:04:34.760 And I actually chose to Google it.

01:04:37.020 Like I saw the name of the one place just to see what the heck this thing actually is.

01:04:40.840 And it sent me down a rabbit hole on the Googling around New Jersey.

01:04:45.580 And one of the websites that came up had a Q&A about New Jersey.

01:04:49.880 And somebody asked, where do all the terrible things about New Jersey come from?

01:04:54.300 And the first answer was from people who have been there.

01:05:00.840 There are many, many beautiful parts of New Jersey.

01:05:04.140 There are.

01:05:05.140 And of course, the president's a homeowner in the state, too.

01:05:07.440 So, well, and I'll tell you what I do love about New Jersey, the people, the people are amazing.

01:05:14.140 And I always do this like based on the grocery stores.

01:05:16.760 Like you can kind of tell what kind of a community you're in by the grocery stores.

01:05:20.580 In New York, you go to the Whole Foods on the Upper West Side. 1.00

01:05:23.760 You better bring your brass knuckles because you are going to fight a bitch. 1.00

01:05:26.900 I mean, these women are fucking serious about getting their organics. 1.00

01:05:30.020 And it's like you get in their way. 1.00

01:05:31.880 Your shit's going down. 0.99

01:05:32.840 Like I never felt so stressed out as I did in the Whole Foods in New York City where I was like, you can have it. 1.00

01:05:39.200 It's fine.

01:05:40.640 So that was that.

01:05:41.980 Then you go to like Montana.

01:05:44.260 We go out to Montana.

01:05:45.560 Nobody bothers you.

01:05:46.820 People are friendly.

01:05:47.580 But, you know, they keep their distance.

01:05:48.700 They're not used to being surrounded by tons of people.

01:05:50.940 So like they're friendly, but they're not overly friendly.

01:05:53.840 It's like arm's length friendliness.

01:05:56.940 You go to New Jersey.

01:05:58.600 It's just perfect.

01:06:00.920 Everyone is nice.

01:06:01.980 People will be like, you don't want that avocado, honey.

01:06:05.300 No, that's that's well past its prime.

01:06:07.060 And you're like, oh, thank you very much.

01:06:08.220 I didn't know.

01:06:09.020 But not overly familiar.

01:06:10.660 We're like sometimes in the South, like they're overly familiar.

01:06:13.740 We are like, I'm from New York.

01:06:15.200 I can't have this much eye contact.

01:06:17.280 So the New Jersey and the other thing I love about New Jersey people is they will fight.

01:06:21.700 Like if you cross their kid, they will get on the school bus and hurt you. 0.91

01:06:27.240 And I appreciate that.

01:06:28.780 Like they're they're not so reserved that they won't stand up for what they think is right.

01:06:32.340 And New Jerseyans, I'm telling you what is right is to vote for Jack Cittarelli.

01:06:35.980 Do not let this Mikey Sherrill take over.

01:06:38.340 You've had enough torture.

01:06:40.020 Why keep doing this to yourself?

01:06:41.620 Why all the self-flagellation with the Newark power plants and now possible Mikey Sherrill?

01:06:46.060 Don't do it.

01:06:46.980 You can save yourself.

01:06:47.820 That was my long, long winded pitch for Jack Cittarelli.

01:06:51.740 Let's keep going.

01:06:52.680 I want to go out to up to Maine because this guy Graham Plattner, who I'd never heard of until recently, is in the news.

01:07:01.500 Susan Collins has not said whether she's running for reelection.

01:07:04.460 She's a Republican.

01:07:05.660 And the Democrats are excited because this could be a Dem pickup.

01:07:09.140 And they have a bunch of Dems who want this seat. 1.00

01:07:12.260 There are eight Dems who have declared and are running in the primary, including the sitting governor, Janet Mills, who is 77 years old and would be the oldest person ever elected as a first term U.S. senator.

01:07:23.240 Janet. 0.99

01:07:24.180 Damn it, Janet. 1.00

01:07:25.420 Don't do it. 1.00

01:07:25.920 Then there's Graham Plattner.

01:07:28.800 I mentioned him earlier to the audience this week, former Marine infantryman who later served as an Army National Guard soldier and private security contractor who is a self-described communist, though he says he's moved past that.

01:07:41.460 Okay, but there's all these Reddit chats that he's now had to kind of scrub. 1.00

01:07:46.520 He tried to scrub, but the Internet is forever, where he said things like, all cops are bastards, I'm a communist, and rural white Americans actually are racist and stupid, which is not great. 1.00

01:08:00.620 And blacks don't tip. 1.00

01:08:02.760 Blacks don't tip. 1.00

01:08:03.760 That's nice. 0.99

01:08:04.680 Okay.

01:08:06.180 Yeah.

01:08:06.800 Okay.

01:08:07.140 So those are just a couple of lowlights from this guy. 0.62

01:08:11.360 Oh, he repeatedly used the word retarded.

01:08:13.820 You're not allowed to do that.

01:08:14.820 If we're just going to play by the left's rules, he should be penalized.

01:08:19.680 He said he was radicalized.

01:08:21.860 He says, I did used to love America, or at least the idea of it.

01:08:26.240 These days, I'm pretty disgusted by it all.

01:08:30.440 He says he's gotten past that, too.

01:08:32.420 But these posts were like three years ago, like 2022 and 2023.

01:08:38.880 So it's tough to believe that he's magically gotten past it all.

01:08:43.100 And now, because this is America, there's a Nazi reference.

01:08:48.480 There's always a Nazi reference in the waning days of anyone's campaign.

01:08:52.660 And here is his.

01:08:55.140 He went on with the Pod Save Guys, Tommy Vieter, to try to do advanced damage control on his Nazi tattoo. 0.67

01:09:04.620 Tattoo.

01:09:06.880 Okay.

01:09:07.700 Here he is talking to Tommy Vieter, SOP 23.

01:09:11.480 In kind of a non-traditional campaign move, your team actually shared some opposition research on you with me.

01:09:19.120 It's a video from, I believe, a decade ago.

01:09:22.480 Let's just watch an excerpt, and then we should talk about it.

01:09:24.800 And the reason that we are showing this video is because at the very end, you can see a tattoo on your chest.

01:09:45.420 And I've been told that some of your political opponents are telling reporters that that tattoo has a Nazi affiliation.

01:09:52.260 And I would like to know, is that accurate? 0.75

01:09:54.540 Are you a secret Nazi?

01:09:55.980 I am not a secret Nazi. 0.91

01:09:58.160 At no point in this entire experience of my life did anybody ever once say, hey, you're a Nazi.

01:10:07.120 It never came up.

01:10:09.060 Oh, well, that settles it.

01:10:10.020 Until we got wind that in the opposition research, somebody was shopping the idea that I was a secret Nazi with a hidden Nazi tattoo.

01:10:18.460 And I can honestly say that if I was trying to hide it, I've not been doing a very good job for the past 18 years.

01:10:24.540 No, he hasn't, because several members who worked on his campaign, like his campaign manager, Genevieve McDonald, she resigned last week over those Reddit posts and disputed his claims of ignorance about the meaning of that tattoo.

01:10:43.620 Graham has an anti-Semitic tattoo on his chest, she wrote.

01:10:46.780 She said he is a history buff who knows damn well what that tattoo means, which I have to say I do find helpful, her interpretation, because when I saw this tattoo, I had no idea what it was.

01:10:59.360 To me, it looks kind of like a skull and crossbones, which is, you know, what they put on little poison bottles, like in It's a Wonderful Life.

01:11:07.480 That's how young George Bailey knew that the pills were poison, they shouldn't deliver them to the family, and old Mr. Gower didn't wind up going to jail for life with skull and crossbones.

01:11:15.860 But when presented like this, I guess it is something called a Totenkopf, and it is a well-known, recognized Nazi symbol, and according to those who know this particular guy, my ignorance of what it means is irrelevant.

01:11:33.320 He knew, according to the campaign manager and one other person who gave an interview saying for sure he knew.

01:11:40.660 So, thoughts on what this does to him?

01:11:42.380 Well, and I think he announced he was going to have the tattoo removed now, which is always a sign that, you know, it may not be good.

01:11:52.260 Sorry to interrupt you, Dan.

01:11:53.400 He just had it covered.

01:11:55.000 He didn't have it removed, but he put another tattoo on top of it.

01:11:57.780 Okay.

01:11:58.600 Very ugly.

01:11:59.860 Don't know what it is.

01:12:01.520 Like, looks like part dragon, part spider, part clam.

01:12:04.980 Um, and I, I would beg Graham to just reconsider the topless photos, just for the sake of us all.

01:12:10.540 Yeah, that's probably, start, start there.

01:12:13.240 Look, Maine is so fascinating because you mentioned you have Janet Mills, who is, would be the oldest sitting senator.

01:12:20.840 Right below Maine in Massachusetts, you have a Democratic House member challenging Ed Markey, the Democratic incumbent senator, on the idea that you're too old.

01:12:29.940 So, you're going to have ads running in Boston into Maine.

01:12:32.880 Planter kind of shot out of nowhere.

01:12:34.920 He was this working class, authentic guy, you know, great on social media, great with a quote.

01:12:41.780 Bernie Sanders endorsed him, kind of the liberal intelligentsia jumped on him.

01:12:46.160 Because, and nobody had really done any research on him.

01:12:49.760 And all of this stuff is coming out.

01:12:52.280 People are standing by him.

01:12:54.020 They're kind of saying, well, he said stuff when he was younger.

01:12:57.000 But, of course, when the shoe's on the other foot, right, we're pretty quick to, to, to judge.

01:13:01.420 His campaign is imploding.

01:13:03.000 It's a case study in opposition research.

01:13:05.380 I don't think it's coincidence this all started when Janet Mills announced she was getting into the race.

01:13:10.360 I think the question is whether he tries to soldier on, which I think he will.

01:13:15.000 And how much, you know, he and Janet Mills are going to go at each other to the betterment of Susan Collins.

01:13:21.740 You know, this guy.

01:13:23.700 Yeah, go ahead, Mark.

01:13:24.760 You go.

01:13:25.380 Well, this guy casts himself as like, you know, just like a blue collar guy.

01:13:28.660 You know where he went to college?

01:13:31.360 George Washington University.

01:13:33.060 He also worked for the company that was Blackwater.

01:13:35.240 Like, this is a pretty sophisticated guy who understands intelligence and high, high level Washington intrigue.

01:13:41.240 I wonder, we talked about this in the morning meeting, who's dropping all this stuff on this guy?

01:13:46.560 You know, Dan says it's like a case study in opposition research.

01:13:49.000 It's really a master class.

01:13:50.840 And for this guy who says, I'm smart enough to be a United States senator but not smart enough to handle this stuff before I got in the race, I think that's an issue.

01:13:58.160 It should be for main voters.

01:13:59.580 But Politico's reporting there's more coming.

01:14:02.040 So I'm not sure he'll get out of the race, but I think his chances of being the nominee now are de minimis.

01:14:10.280 I think you missed the second half of the question.

01:14:12.680 Who's dropping this research and why don't they go and help Curtis Lewa like today?

01:14:17.700 OK, go ahead, Sean.

01:14:19.840 Well, look, this isn't a flash in the pan kind of guy, right?

01:14:22.340 He's raised $1.5 million.

01:14:25.500 This is in Maine.

01:14:26.900 That's like enough to carry you through the entire election.

01:14:29.940 Bernie Sanders has endorsed him.

01:14:31.260 One, I would say there's a lesson about getting tattoos.

01:14:33.800 Just, you know, I don't want to start a little debate here, but just remember, if you get a tattoo, you own this thing.

01:14:38.660 I remember—

01:14:38.900 Raise your hand if you have a tattoo on this panel.

01:14:43.060 On me.

01:14:43.880 Yeah, there you go.

01:14:44.680 No one.

01:14:45.520 But I'll just say—

01:14:47.120 Mark, I thought you were going to raise your hand, Mark.

01:14:48.580 No way.

01:14:49.660 Of the three of us, I think Mark would have been—I don't know.

01:14:52.540 Maybe I could have competed for that.

01:14:53.880 That's why.

01:14:54.620 That's why, because he's buttoned up.

01:14:56.940 Just to clarify, do you count the Yogi Bear that's on my ankle?

01:14:59.420 Does that count?

01:15:00.120 That's—

01:15:01.120 It's a temporary tattoo from my son, but—

01:15:04.660 My mother got a tattoo.

01:15:08.340 Age 70.

01:15:08.500 I just wanted to get some kind of little symbol on my wrist so that people would—

01:15:12.420 My mom, Dan, got a tattoo at age 70 of a rosary on her foot.

01:15:17.980 Oh, okay.

01:15:18.860 Well, I have—

01:15:19.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:15:20.160 All right.

01:15:20.860 Point for your mind.

01:15:21.460 My mom also had—

01:15:22.460 I'm just—

01:15:23.460 She had pink hair, then it was fire engine red, then it was just purple. 0.71

01:15:27.800 It's literally the color of this shirt.

01:15:29.320 That's what it's been for the past year.

01:15:31.060 She said she dyed it back to brown and she's unhappy because she's not getting enough attention in the grocery stores.

01:15:35.720 That's her metric on life, too.

01:15:37.700 Go ahead, Sean.

01:15:38.380 Go ahead, Sean.

01:16:08.360 Broder point, Megan.

01:16:09.400 There's a through line.

01:16:10.760 Jay Jones, Virginia.

01:16:12.200 Mondami, New York.

01:16:13.440 And then let's go north to Maine with Plattner.

01:16:16.120 What is going on in the Democratic Party where you've got each one of these scandals in each one of these states,

01:16:20.620 and yet not in one instance is anyone saying that's a bridge too far.

01:16:24.820 It's okay that Mondami's got all these Muslim ties. 0.99

01:16:27.620 It's okay that Jay Jones wants to kill his opponent and watch his children die in the mother's arms. 0.93

01:16:32.780 And it's okay to excuse all of these things, all of them, because it's not just one, of Grant Plattner, because, well, it's okay.

01:16:40.580 There's—the Democratic Party has a lot to account for right now, but it's not one candidate.

01:16:45.040 There's a through line from the Mid-Atlantic all the way up to the Northeast.

01:16:50.440 Meanwhile, can I just say they're raining down on those young Republicans, and there definitely were some racist comments in there,

01:16:56.340 but they're pulling out the one that said, I'll be Hitler.

01:16:59.760 Hitler, and that's the one, like, they have nothing on that guy in that.

01:17:03.060 He's making a joke.

01:17:03.820 They're like, this group of young, like, conservatives on campus or something says they're not going to—

01:17:08.400 they're going to vote for the person who's most to the right, you know, the furthest to the right.

01:17:11.740 So the one guy jokingly responds, okay, I'll be Hitler.

01:17:14.680 That's obviously a joke.

01:17:16.380 I'm not excusing all the other stuff in there.

01:17:18.060 I'm not talking about that anymore because the left continues to celebrate right-wing people getting murdered,

01:17:25.320 so I'm done talking about that.

01:17:26.460 But I raise it only to point out they wanted us to look at, okay, I'll be Hitler, 0.70

01:17:31.540 as, like, a serious comment that should be disqualifying for Republicans who have nothing to do with those people in that text chain.

01:17:38.280 But this guy who's the actual candidate wearing a Nazi tattoo, that's not a deal.

01:17:43.500 That's fine.

01:17:44.340 We can just move right on without talking about it.

01:17:46.140 And I just want to give you one other piece of evidence.

01:17:47.940 I talked about the campaign manager, but another person told the Free Beacon.

01:17:51.360 And he, the candidate, Graham, what's his name, Plattner, referred to the ink as, quote,

01:17:58.440 my Totenkopf, referring to the Nazi symbol.

01:18:02.140 So, like, he knew that it was a Nazi symbol and kept it there.

01:18:05.780 Go ahead, Sean.

01:18:06.880 I was going to say, in that Politico story that you mentioned with the young Republicans,

01:18:10.320 every Republican on Earth had to account for those kids and denounce them, right?

01:18:14.520 Howard, do you agree with that?

01:18:15.940 What do you think?

01:18:16.580 Should they resign?

01:18:17.320 Should they be canceled?

01:18:17.900 I haven't seen one national Democrat being asked what they thought about Grant Plattner.

01:18:23.980 When Nancy Pelosi was asked about Jay Jones, and she said, that's for Virginians to decide.

01:18:29.440 They get away with this because the press sort of goes, oh, nothing to see here.

01:18:34.220 Republicans all have to account when little Timmy says something at Jefferson Middle School.

01:18:38.460 But when their guy says something in the national news, it's, hey, guys, it's not our state.

01:18:42.940 It's not our problem.

01:18:43.980 And it wasn't serious.

01:18:44.760 You're generally right, although Bernie Sanders was asked about Plattner.

01:18:48.520 And he passed.

01:18:50.160 Yeah.

01:18:50.360 He said, yeah, it was a couple of years ago.

01:18:52.820 He clearly doesn't mean it anymore.

01:18:55.600 I don't know.

01:18:56.580 If he knew that it was this Nazi symbol, which according to the Free Beacon, he did, that's a problem.

01:19:03.020 I thought the whole defense was going to be, I didn't know I had a Nazi symbol on.

01:19:06.640 But if he actually did know, and he's a history buff, and he's running around with a Nazi symbol on his chest, like, who would be okay with that?

01:19:12.320 I mean, that genuinely does raise some concerns.

01:19:14.800 And his defense, according to the Free Beacon, was he got it in Croatia while on leave, quote, we got very inebriated, and we did what Marines on Liberty do, and we decided to go get a tattoo.

01:19:26.780 Two, okay, I know a lot of Marines.

01:19:30.600 I don't know any with Nazi tattoos.

01:19:33.440 I don't think that is a thing that Marines do.

01:19:35.800 I think most Marines, like, I'm going to go with like 99.99% of them are anti-Nazi, given their history in the Marines.

01:19:44.180 But that's just me.

01:19:45.340 You know, I'm not exactly a four-star general, so I guess we'll have to leave that one floating in the air.

01:19:49.760 Okay, let's shift, because I want to keep the political discussion going. 0.66

01:19:53.120 Hunter Biden did another podcast.

01:19:57.040 I don't know who the guy was.

01:19:58.580 I'm going to find out who the guy was.

01:20:00.800 What?

01:20:01.720 Thank you.

01:20:02.300 Do we know?

01:20:02.460 I never heard of him.

01:20:03.100 I love when he does these.

01:20:05.180 I know.

01:20:05.500 The guy doing the interview is like, he looks kind of disheveled.

01:20:10.960 He's barely looking into the camera.

01:20:12.700 Like, it's kind of entertaining.

01:20:14.600 And the answer that was posted on Mediaite today, which is where I saw it, rambled on for four and a half minutes.

01:20:20.660 It was very painful.

01:20:21.540 Hunter Biden was very disjointed.

01:20:22.880 It was a very slow, long pauses.

01:20:26.980 It was like, spit it out.

01:20:28.540 So we only are going to run the last minute or so where he got on point.

01:20:34.560 Watch this.

01:20:35.340 This is on Kamala Harris and her book in which, you know, Kareem Jean-Pierre is out there defending the Biden White House.

01:20:41.120 Kamala Harris is out there dumping on it. 1.00

01:20:43.000 This is about the Kamala Harris book.

01:20:44.380 Watch.

01:20:45.320 I love the fact that that my dad, my dad made the decision.

01:20:52.460 Let me tell you about loyalty.

01:20:59.960 The reason that he picked Kamala Harris is because of the fact that he believes in, and I certainly believe, the most powerful force within the Democratic Party is and always has been the African-American women.

01:21:14.780 They're the heart and soul and the conscience of the Democratic Party.

01:21:21.460 And that's why he thought it was so important to have, and by the way, she had an incredible resume.

01:21:31.740 She's perfectly capable of being president of the United States, and I would have gladly voted for her.

01:21:36.440 Glad to say that.

01:21:37.140 But he chose her out of loyalty, and I just don't understand, because I don't understand why someone would choose the expedient path as it relates to that relationship, their own political expediency.

01:21:58.580 Their own political expediency.

01:22:01.400 Okay, so my team tells me that is Tommy Christopher, who writes for Mediaite and is a far-left dude who's literally chewing gum during the interview, which seems kind of passive-aggressive.

01:22:13.880 But okay, yeah.

01:22:14.480 So there he is, ripping on Kamala, but what was interesting was he said it. 0.70

01:22:21.500 He said it in sort of a back-end way, but he said she was only put in the role because she's a black woman, and for her to now have the gall to turn around and attack us when she was—this is really what he's saying.

01:22:35.420 He had to add—she's qualified, of course. 1.00

01:22:37.040 I would have voted for her, but what he's really saying is she was never qualified.

01:22:39.900 She got there for no reason other than her identity, so she should STFU. 0.97

01:22:45.360 That's how I read the Hunter Biden commentary.

01:22:47.620 Dan, your thoughts?

01:22:49.400 Yeah, no, I mean, there's nothing good for the Democratic Party about this.

01:22:53.760 That Hunter Biden keeps popping up with these kind of rolling commentaries is just—is awful.

01:22:59.260 I mean, look, he's right.

01:23:00.880 That is why Joe Biden picked her.

01:23:03.280 Sure, they wanted to try to increase turnout down in the Atlanta area and in Philadelphia and Detroit and various places.

01:23:11.280 But you can't make that statement and then turn around and say, how dare she?

01:23:15.600 And, you know, the fact that Kamala Harris did not separate herself from Biden during the campaign but now is doing it—

01:23:23.300 Joe Biden's book is going to be coming out soon.

01:23:25.700 Jill Biden, I think, is going to have something coming out. 0.82

01:23:29.160 They're going to go on the attack.

01:23:30.580 Hunter Biden's going to then come and defend his parents more.

01:23:33.360 Like, we have not heard the last of this.

01:23:35.980 It's not helping us move forward.

01:23:38.220 And then you have, as you say, Corinne Jean-Pierre saying, what?

01:23:41.620 I didn't see anything, which is just insane.

01:23:44.380 But something else she's been saying makes even more sense when you are reminded of Democrat Party politics

01:23:51.980 and what they prioritize in picking their top people.

01:23:56.500 We put this together since yesterday.

01:23:58.100 This is just on her little book tour, Corinne Jean-Pierre.

01:24:01.160 This week alone, look at SOT24A.

01:24:05.480 As a Black woman, as a person who's also LGBTQ, as a Black woman, as a Black woman,

01:24:11.900 I am a Black woman.

01:24:13.480 I am a queer woman.

01:24:14.780 I am an immigrant.

01:24:16.100 Being a Black woman, as a Black woman myself,

01:24:18.580 that is the thing that I understood as a Black woman is that I meant a lot to people

01:24:25.240 because of the communities that I represented.

01:24:27.960 And whether it was women of color, Black women, queer community, LGBTQ community, immigrant.

01:24:33.200 And as a Black woman, and I have my queerness, too.

01:24:37.820 It all makes sense.

01:24:45.040 Not that we didn't know what she was doing before, but this, she recognizes this is the only reason she was chosen.

01:24:52.780 It's opened doors for her repeatedly in the past in Democrat Party politics.

01:24:56.460 And as she markets this book, she is touting the only flag she knows accurately she has.

01:25:04.640 It doesn't work with half the country, but the other half of the country sits up at attention and says,

01:25:09.820 Oh, let me subjugate myself.

01:25:11.620 Oh, my God.

01:25:12.100 You know, you're going to do the sign of the cross because she said the magic words.

01:25:15.980 It's amazing.

01:25:17.560 Every single interview.

01:25:19.900 Truly, Mark Halpern, imagine going to promote a book that you had written about politics.

01:25:24.620 That's what her book's about.

01:25:26.380 And beginning every interview with, I am white.

01:25:30.240 I'm a white man.

01:25:31.380 I'm a white straight man.

01:25:32.740 Did I mention I'm white?

01:25:34.760 Who does that?

01:25:37.360 Well, tomorrow's episode of Next Up is already booked.

01:25:39.960 But for Tuesday, here are the two people I want.

01:25:42.140 I want the person who's in charge of deciding which podcasts Hunter Biden should do.

01:25:46.340 And I want the publicist to prepare her talking points for her book tour.

01:25:50.440 Because I'm very curious about those two people.

01:25:52.340 I want to know what kind of career paths they've had. 0.75

01:25:54.620 Make sure you tell them you're black. 0.98

01:25:56.960 I can tell you, the person who was writing Corinne Jean-Pierre's talking points used to work for Kamala Harris. 0.75

01:26:02.900 It's pretty blatantly obvious that that's the case where they ended up.

01:26:06.000 Because it sounds like a redux to this.

01:26:07.660 By the way, am I wrong that when Hunter did that interview, he used the word, I would have voted for her?

01:26:13.500 Yes, yes, he did, actually.

01:26:17.320 Convicted felony, Kimba. 0.58

01:26:19.140 Oh, good.

01:26:19.860 Okay.

01:26:20.900 Really?

01:26:21.400 That's true.

01:26:21.940 He didn't have that wiped away until the end, until after.

01:26:25.220 Well, that's even more.

01:26:26.160 But, you know, part of the problem for Corinne, of course, is there were so many people who didn't want her to have that job from the beginning. 0.65

01:26:35.060 And who then, when she fumbled and really struggled in the job, wanted her out, but were afraid to move against her because she was a black lesbian or is a black lesbian woman. 0.99

01:26:47.140 And they were afraid of offending different parts of the party.

01:26:49.800 The whole time she had that job, the foundation under her was non-existent because nobody thought she was qualified or that she was good at the job within the White House.

01:27:00.640 I'm probably the only person that believes that she didn't ever know what Biden was doing because, from what I could tell, she never had access.

01:27:07.640 She may be the only person that can say she didn't see Joe Biden's decline because I don't think she ever had access to him in the first place.

01:27:14.740 It's a very uncomfortable.

01:27:15.380 That's an interesting point.

01:27:16.000 It's a very uncomfortable truth for people in the Biden White House and for the Democratic Party at large, which is she's unambiguously unqualified, not because she's a black woman, but just because she was.

01:27:27.120 And it did a disservice.

01:27:28.840 The irony is they were trying to elevate the concept of having a black woman president and did a massive disservice to the many qualified people who could have done the job, who happened to be black women.

01:27:39.460 She's just not one of them. 0.84

01:27:40.180 And queer, please, Mark. 0.99

01:27:41.400 Yeah, and queer.

01:27:42.420 She's just not one of them.

01:27:43.500 And it really, I mean, you know, ask anyone, Sean's colleagues, anyone who's had that job.

01:27:49.440 She was the worst White House for the Democratic Party by a lot. 1.00

01:27:52.380 Yeah.

01:27:52.940 Oh, well, there was a debate about this on a left-wing podcast that I want to raise with Sean in a minute.

01:27:57.340 But before I move off of Kareem Jean-Pierre, yeah, you'll love this.

01:28:01.140 Jen Psaki's got thoughts.

01:28:02.140 Before I move off of this, there is an interesting piece on Kareem Jean-Pierre and her accusing Anita Dunn of being a racist.

01:28:16.780 Without naming a name.

01:28:18.660 Yeah, but it's very clearly Anita Dunn.

01:28:21.540 Here's what, here's the report.

01:28:24.760 Let's see.

01:28:25.940 She accuses her of mistreating people of color.

01:28:29.660 Is Jean-Pierre writing about this article?

01:28:31.260 In April 2024, the New York Post printed this story.

01:28:33.580 Inside the failed White House coup to oust Biden press secretary, Kareem Jean-Pierre.

01:28:37.840 She's so excited.

01:28:38.640 Somebody finally wrote something about her.

01:28:40.240 She's like, this made her book.

01:28:41.380 She's like, I'm in an article.

01:28:43.000 See, people are out to get me.

01:28:45.560 Dunn was orchestrating a campaign to push me out.

01:28:48.040 The quotes are not around the name Dunn.

01:28:50.940 They're just around orchestrating a campaign to push me out.

01:28:53.660 After the women clashed in October 2023 over who should join Biden on a trip to Israel after Hamas's attack.

01:29:00.700 This woman, she doesn't name her as Dunn, but we know it's Dunn, said, I shouldn't travel.

01:29:05.940 Quote, it will be very dangerous.

01:29:07.140 You're a mother.

01:29:07.720 You're a woman.

01:29:09.100 Another colleague, she said, a man who had experience in war-torn regions could go in my place.

01:29:14.720 Let's see.

01:29:15.260 Immediately upon leaving her, I returned to my office and sent an email to the chief of staff and the deputy chief of staff.

01:29:20.960 I cc'd her and wrote that I'd just been told I shouldn't go to Israel, one of the most important trips the president would likely take during his tenure.

01:29:28.440 Minutes after I hit send, Dunn swept into my office, bypassing my assistant and flinging open my door.

01:29:33.840 She proceeded to scream at me. 1.00

01:29:35.460 You want to go on this trip?

01:29:37.100 Fine.

01:29:38.100 I don't know why you want to do this, but it's yours.

01:29:40.620 Go.

01:29:41.120 That's my dramatic reenactment.

01:29:42.340 I wasn't the only woman on the White House staff who had negative experiences with this person.

01:29:47.180 She had spoken dismissively to female colors of the administration, especially those who are also people of color. 0.97

01:29:52.820 She doesn't like black women, black women, black women. 1.00

01:29:55.320 A white woman once said to me that it was uncomfortable being on emails with her and witnessing her tone and the way she addressed women of color. 0.92

01:30:05.840 It was that bickering, backbiting and behind the scenes machinations, says Corrine Jean-Pierre, that led her to question, do I really want to be in a party that treats people this way?

01:30:20.340 And then she says, now that I can speak fully from the heart, I have an answer.

01:30:24.800 After being a party insider for 20 years, I now believe I can fight harder for my country from outside the Democratic Party than from within it.

01:30:30.520 From here on, I am politically an independent.

01:30:35.900 And then she adds, people felt seen when they saw me at the podium.

01:30:39.980 Woman of color, black woman, queer community, LGBTQ immigrant.

01:30:42.520 They felt seen and that mattered to me.

01:30:44.120 Oh, we know.

01:30:44.980 We know.

01:30:45.280 Dan, good luck to you guys.

01:30:48.460 I mean, honestly, like, how do you go forward with these people as representatives who are all identity and no substance?

01:30:57.540 Well, and it goes to the fact that Mark said this earlier in the show, which is the party, the people who want to win elections know we have to change.

01:31:04.440 We have to stop playing these identity politics.

01:31:07.180 But the party doesn't want to do it.

01:31:09.100 And I mean, it just all this is doing is showing that not just was Joe Biden struggling at the end, but the inner workings of the White House were a complete mess.

01:31:17.860 I mean, it's just there's nothing good that's coming out of this that makes you as an American or as a Democrat have confidence.

01:31:24.260 And as we think about going forward, you know, you want candidates to staff their campaigns with the most qualified, not checking all of these boxes and then layering people with other people.

01:31:35.480 It's just not the way to run a campaign or a government.

01:31:38.900 No.

01:31:39.580 OK, we will go back to Jen Psaki on our friend Sean Spicer in one minute.

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01:35:03.840 Back with me now, a bunch of straight white dudes. 0.93

01:35:06.780 Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine.

01:35:09.400 It's important.

01:35:10.660 Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor.

01:35:14.380 Mark, we want people to feel represented.

01:35:17.180 Yeah.

01:35:17.460 Okay.

01:35:18.960 Speaking of representing, Sean Spicer represented the United States of America at the lectern in the White House press briefing room for a time.

01:35:27.560 It was a time that preceded Jen Psaki's time there. 0.90

01:35:31.300 Jen Psaki went on with this lunatic woman named Jennifer Welsh who's getting in the circulation for being a very nasty, like, really absolutely foul-mouthed Trump critic. 1.00

01:35:45.140 And that's really her only qualification because I think she used to do some show on, like, gardening or something stupid. 0.99

01:35:50.700 And gardening's nice. 0.98

01:35:51.400 It's not dumb.

01:35:51.820 But she seems like not a good time. 0.68

01:35:56.120 Let's just say that.

01:35:57.120 Okay.

01:35:58.040 She went on that podcast, and Psaki had some thoughts on you, Sean Spicer.

01:36:02.380 She tried to pay you a compliment, and then no.

01:36:05.220 Watch.

01:36:06.000 Oh, I thought we were going somewhere else on this. 1.00

01:36:07.680 I'm enraged every time I see Caroline Leavitt, who prays before she goes out there and lies her fat ass off. 1.00

01:36:13.500 So she goes out there and lies, and it's propaganda after propaganda. 0.99

01:36:17.180 And is there no check on that?

01:36:19.200 I guess there's no law that the press secretary has to be honest.

01:36:23.180 But does that break your heart to see what it's been turned into?

01:36:27.120 It does.

01:36:28.060 And I say this as, obviously, I worked in democratic politics for 20-something years.

01:36:32.180 I'm not shy about my views.

01:36:34.020 But even for people who, like Dana Perino, or dare I say even Sean Spicer, I don't know if I should use them as an example.

01:36:41.540 It's a very different briefing room now than it was then.

01:36:44.940 And Dana Perino is probably a better example of this, right?

01:36:48.660 I disagree with Bush on a bazillion things, right?

01:36:51.480 But you had to go in there and answer questions from the same type of reporters, and often the same reporters I had to answer questions from.

01:36:58.220 What it feels like it is diminishing the job.

01:37:00.880 It is diminishing the role of the press secretary, the honor of being in that job.

01:37:04.840 It's diminishing the honor.

01:37:05.840 Which is speaking on behalf of the United States of America.

01:37:08.120 All right, Spicer.

01:37:11.040 He almost paid you a compliment, and then no.

01:37:14.380 Your thoughts on how the GOAT, Caroline Levitt, is bringing dishonor to this position in her view.

01:37:22.620 Yeah, so let's start with this.

01:37:24.000 First of all, Caroline is a—I don't mean to inject this, but to make fun of her body size, which is not true.

01:37:30.220 Actually, I thought it was—for a bunch of folks on the left that take pride in this kind of stuff, that was actually rather uncalled for.

01:37:36.900 She's a very beautiful woman.

01:37:38.540 I don't think that that's ever been—

01:37:40.020 Yes, this Angie Sullivan, who said it, in her wildest dreams, she looked like Caroline Levitt.

01:37:45.920 That's where I was at, Sean.

01:37:46.740 I don't know what TV she's looking at, but that's just simply not true.

01:37:49.240 So that was really uncalled for and false.

01:37:52.080 Number two, look, I think that for Jen Psaki, who had the phrase, circle back, I mean, to get up there and talk about integrity at the podium is a bit rich, right?

01:38:03.720 And so I just don't—I find the whole fascination that these guys covered up one of the biggest issues in modern history in terms of the physical and mental decline of the president of the United States

01:38:14.560 and has the gall to come on and talk about how other people do the job.

01:38:18.460 I think she should sit this one out and talk about something else.

01:38:22.980 Yeah, I agree.

01:38:24.760 She also told us how qualified Corinne Jean-Pierre to connect the segments. 0.52

01:38:28.620 She said that she was the most qualified person to do the job, which by every account was a lie.

01:38:33.480 So I don't really need to get lectured by Jen on truth and integrity and all that.

01:38:38.740 She has a—track record speaks for itself.

01:38:41.280 No, and then she continued her lying when she went to MSNBC, which is what you have to do to get hired there. 1.00

01:38:45.760 So she's, yeah, in no position.

01:38:48.440 I want to move on.

01:38:49.420 I saved a little time for this.

01:38:50.900 We've been seeing such vile conduct out of the No Kings stuff. 1.00

01:38:54.400 And a lot of it has been focused on wanting Trump dead or celebrating Charlie's murder.

01:38:59.840 And there's another one of those ladders in this clip that we have here of somebody celebrating Charlie's death.

01:39:09.640 Hold on.

01:39:09.900 It was just in front of me.

01:39:10.720 Okay, here it is.

01:39:11.440 Yeah.

01:39:12.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:13.940 It's—okay.

01:39:15.060 This is actually from the University of Arizona, and there's a Turning Point USA reps.

01:39:20.020 They're there, and they're setting up.

01:39:22.300 And this woman walks by, and listen to what she says, 33A here.

01:39:27.640 Hey, Nazis, can you set up somewhere where I can avoid you easily? 0.99

01:39:30.920 Yeah, thank you. 0.90

01:39:31.560 Have a great day. 1.00

01:39:32.340 Aw, fuck you, Nazi. 1.00

01:39:33.760 Watch your neck. 1.00

01:39:34.860 Thanks.

01:39:37.000 Watch your neck.

01:39:38.720 And you heard the guy was so polite.

01:39:40.580 Yeah, thank you.

01:39:41.120 Have a nice day.

01:39:41.780 That's all he said.

01:39:43.040 Watch your neck. 1.00

01:39:43.600 Fuck you, Nazi. 1.00

01:39:45.000 Watch your neck. 1.00

01:39:46.240 We've seen so much of this, and I really do—I genuinely do not on this show just bring up one instance of bad behavior and try to tar an entire side of it because it's not fair.

01:39:54.320 But somebody said something to me privately, and I was like, that's a very interesting point.

01:39:59.360 You've got these young people like that gal who have been clearly radicalized, you know, into saying something like, watch your neck.

01:40:05.720 And then you've got these older people at these No Kings rallies who are wearing the 8647 sweatshirts and calling for ICE agents to get shot.

01:40:14.700 And I don't—they don't consume the same media.

01:40:17.680 Like, the older people are watching MSNBC, and the younger people, I think, are getting all their news from social media.

01:40:25.260 So what's happening?

01:40:27.100 Why—how can—like, if one group was going that way, I could kind of understand it, and I would know who to blame, and the other's same.

01:40:34.220 But, like, it's both.

01:40:35.140 It seems to have crossed a wide swath of the Democrat Party.

01:40:40.060 And I just have to say, like, it's deeply concerning to me because, like, crazy left I can understand and I can deal with and I can argue against.

01:40:47.620 But, like, wanting to see Republicans dead and celebrating Charlie's murder is a totally different kettle of fish.

01:40:55.660 So sorry, Dan, but I'll ask you that one first.

01:40:58.100 I know that's not you.

01:40:59.160 No, I mean, I think one of the things that the No Kings rally, you know, kind of sadly showed is just this continued focus on Donald Trump, the hatred of Donald Trump.

01:41:09.200 It's like a group therapy session, the way people were kind of all together, like, yeah, we all still hate him, but the party is not moving forward.

01:41:18.500 There's no—I mean, like, if the rally was on health care, right, like, this is why we're shutting the government down, because we really want to fight for you.

01:41:25.580 But instead, it's just this continued animation of, like, the fever will break.

01:41:32.080 Like, at some point, you will realize your mistake.

01:41:34.800 You will realize that we are right.

01:41:36.260 You were wrong, and you're going to come back to us.

01:41:39.200 And, you know, whether it's celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk or just this, like, oops, if Trump happens to get shot, that's too bad.

01:41:47.620 It's just they cannot move on from their obsession with him.

01:41:52.260 It's holding the party back.

01:41:54.440 What do you think, Mark?

01:41:56.480 Well, lately I get a lot of complaints when I talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

01:42:00.020 But I think it's, you know, it is the explanation of our time.

01:42:04.300 And as I said before, the party, whether they're MSNBC watchers or TikTok watchers or college students, they're addicted to hatred of Trump.

01:42:12.260 That's their animation.

01:42:15.480 That's their North Star.

01:42:16.920 That's what gets them engaged in the national town square.

01:42:19.800 And it's – I think it's personally very self-destructive.

01:42:25.080 But it's also not, as Dan said, it's not leading to a rebuilding of the party as a party focused on the future.

01:42:32.840 I understand a lot of the issues that upset them.

01:42:35.180 I don't understand why they're so upset about construction on the White House grounds.

01:42:38.280 But I understand a lot of the issues that upset them.

01:42:40.040 But they're channeling it into just a level of vitriol and an addiction to being obsessed with Trump and hating Trump and Charlie that I've never seen anything like it.

01:42:50.100 And I don't – as much as I think about it and talk to people out and study it, I don't really understand it.

01:42:55.240 I don't want to understand it.

01:42:56.680 I mean here's the difference.

01:42:57.480 One thing to hate Trump.

01:42:58.480 It's another thing, Megan, as you said, this isn't one clip.

01:43:00.960 I see him over and over again the last few days after the No Kings rally. 0.75

01:43:04.360 They want people dead. 1.00

01:43:05.660 They want them killed. 1.00

01:43:07.020 That's a whole new level of wrong. 0.94

01:43:09.000 And I think that this is – again, I go back.

01:43:11.760 It's a through line.

01:43:12.440 Jay Jones, Mondami, Grant Plattner.

01:43:15.180 There is becoming an acceptance on the left that it's okay to root for death.

01:43:20.940 I'll just leave you with one piece of good news.

01:43:23.840 This hit in the Wall Street Journal a couple days ago.

01:43:27.060 In the month of September, compared with the year earlier, sales of the Bible jumped 36%.

01:43:33.800 That's clearly a post-Charlie surge.

01:43:37.320 People do feel deeply moved by his message of faith.

01:43:41.140 And I don't think they're all Republicans.

01:43:42.820 I do believe that there are Democrats in there.

01:43:45.020 And those are the people who are going to bring us forward.

01:43:48.600 Those are going to have to be the leaders.

01:43:49.820 I do believe that people of faith, no matter whether young, old, red, blue, doesn't matter. 0.78

01:43:55.740 But that's – those are the people who are going to resonate because their message is infused with a special power, a special magic, a special allure, and something that's not so much about ourselves.

01:44:06.500 So if you're not one of them and you need one, go out and get one now for Charlie.

01:44:12.080 Mark, Sean, Dan, love you all.

01:44:13.580 Thanks so much for being here.

01:44:14.600 And tomorrow we'll have Winsome Earl Sears.

01:44:17.380 See you guys then.

01:44:20.640 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 22, 2025

Cuomo's Failed Zohran Strategy, Platner Oppo Dump, and KJP's Only Line, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, and Dan Turrentine ｜ Ep. 1177

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