The Megyn Kelly Show - Dan Bongino on His Fox News Exit, Tucker's Next Steps, Trump vs. DeSantis, and the Truth About the Deep State

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.080 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. It's going

00:00:16.380 to be a super fun show today with someone you likely know very well, but who has never been

00:00:20.900 on this show before. Dan Bongino is here. I am so, so happy to be talking to Dan Bongino today.

00:00:26.720 Hi. He's a former NYPD officer turned Secret Service agent who put his life on the line

00:00:32.580 defending Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. When he left the Secret Service, Dan

00:00:37.340 crossed over into the journalism space where he has become one of the top podcast hosts

00:00:42.060 in America. His quick wit and fiery commentary have won him plenty of fans and, of course,

00:00:48.840 know-nothing detractors. Recently, he parted ways with Fox News, and we'll get into that,

00:00:53.600 plus the state of journalism, and 2024 as we get ready for what we believe will be an

00:01:00.420 imminent Ron DeSantis announcement. Dan's got thoughts. Welcome to Dan Bongino, host of

00:01:06.560 The Dan Bongino Show. Great to see you, Dan.

00:01:09.580 Hey, good to see you, too. I haven't seen you in eons. We did an interview with Fox when you

00:01:14.960 had The Nine Show when I wrote my first book, and that's the last time I've seen you. So I

00:01:21.140 know I reached out. You're a great interviewer. I haven't been able to do these interviews. I said,

00:01:25.620 you know what? If I'm going to do one, darn it, we're going to do The Megyn Kelly Show. So now here

00:01:30.260 we are.

00:01:31.320 I'm honored. I've been trying to talk to you forever, but you couldn't when you're under

00:01:35.760 contract with Fox. They won't let anybody come talk to us. But I'm so happy you're a free agent

00:01:41.040 now, and I can talk to you whenever I want, and vice versa. I guess that's as good a place to start as

00:01:45.880 any place. You're gone. Tucker's gone. There are a lot of questions over there now about

00:01:53.240 what Fox is doing, because they also cut ties with people like Laura Trump. And a lot of people

00:01:59.480 wondering whether Fox is doing this intentionally without owning the fact that they're trying to

00:02:04.660 cleanse themselves of people who were openly supportive of Trump or MAGA world or the new MAGA

00:02:13.140 Republican Party, that they're trying to get back to their, quote, establishment roots.

00:02:17.060 Do you? What do you think?

00:02:19.020 You know, I got a lot of thoughts on this. First, I want to hit this point. I think there are a lot

00:02:25.360 of people, not just at Fox, but in the media in general, who really don't understand new media.

00:02:30.460 And I use you for an example. I actually used you on my show. It was about two weeks ago or so. I did

00:02:35.240 a whole segment on your show because I didn't want to make the story about me. And I said, you know,

00:02:41.020 it's bizarre. They're writing, oh, nobody can survive outside of Fox. They said, look at

00:02:45.440 Megyn Kelly, who hasn't done much since. And I shook my head. I'm like, what a bunch of morons.

00:02:51.180 Do they not understand? See, I understand the podcast space and I watch our rankings because

00:02:55.720 I'm super competitive about everything. I know the audience you have. I can reasonably guess it.

00:03:01.020 It's enormous. Forget even social or anything like that. I'm just talking about strict downloads

00:03:06.480 and watches. Right. So I'm reading these articles about how Glenn Beck, oh man, it's

00:03:11.020 over for Glenn. Bill O'Reilly finished. Megan hasn't done anything that Dan Bongino and Tucker,

00:03:16.080 they're going to be finished. And I'm thinking these people really don't get it. And I'm talking

00:03:21.220 about media in general, but I'm not sure some people at Fox really understand that. You know,

00:03:26.900 they were good to me. I'm not going to knock them to me. The Tucker thing, I think obviously

00:03:30.580 was an enormous catastrophic mistake. I have friends over there still. I enjoyed my time.

00:03:35.800 I love them to death. And I'm not telling you anything I haven't told them. I just don't

00:03:39.820 think they understand that a lot of people in cable news, Megan, are fighting yesterday's

00:03:44.740 war. They beat CNN and it's over. That fight has been number one for 20 years. They're not

00:03:50.720 the problem now. You're the problem. Podcasts, rumble, YouTube, Twitter with Elon. That's the

00:03:57.320 problem. The space has been totally disaggregated right now. People can go put Megan Kelly in a

00:04:03.340 search engine and watch your show a thousand different ways. They can watch clips on Twitter.

00:04:07.680 People spread it around. And I did this whole thing on my show and I did a simple internet

00:04:12.820 search of Megan Kelly. I'm like, wow, totally irrelevant. They only wrote about her 10 times

00:04:16.920 today. I'm like, what kind of idiot thinks? And again, you're in my time slot. So I didn't care.

00:04:22.800 I really love the whole parallel media system and I don't give a damn. I want to see you succeed

00:04:28.000 in everyone else. But I just think number one, it was a huge mistake because they may say to

00:04:32.860 themselves with Tucker, at least getting back to that specific thing. Oh, you know, no sweat.

00:04:37.520 Don't worry about it. You know, where's he going to go? Well, the answer is it doesn't matter

00:04:42.200 wherever he goes. People are just going to go find them like they find you on Sirius, the internet

00:04:48.140 rumble. It doesn't matter. The whole system's been broken apart. And I really think just to wrap

00:04:54.600 this up for Fox's sake, because again, I have friends over there and Megan, for as many issues

00:05:00.020 as you and I may have, we need Fox. We need a healthy conservative alternative. And Newsmax is

00:05:07.500 doing great. Not knocking them. Their audience is exploding. But it's still, even with people

00:05:11.880 leaving Fox's and Fox's audience, we need them healthy. What are we going to do? Watch MSNBC or CNN?

00:05:17.800 They need to explain what happened with Tucker. You can't leave this out there in the ether

00:05:22.380 because people are filling in the blanks and saying, because of ABCD, you know, XYZ and

00:05:28.720 filling in their own reasons. They got to explain this or I think that the problems are going to

00:05:33.460 continue. Well, Fox is in no danger of going out of business, but they're being taught a lesson

00:05:38.120 right now by a very angry audience. And I support the lesson. You know, they've gotten too big for

00:05:43.560 their own britches. They think they're the Fox News of 10 years ago and they're not. They're on the

00:05:48.360 way down. They're not on the way up anymore in terms of audience share and popularity. And they

00:05:53.580 no longer have a monopoly for all the reasons you just stated. So some humility would serve them well

00:05:58.720 right now. And understanding their audience is their business. That is their entire business. You

00:06:03.520 you thumb the middle finger at those people. Your business is over. They're your bosses. And to not

00:06:10.020 even show them the courtesy of an explanation on their favorite host is absolutely disrespectful.

00:06:15.180 And the audience is punishing them. It's punishing the whole prime time right now.

00:06:19.560 And I think they're going to continue punishing the eight. They're now reportedly moving Hannity to

00:06:23.940 eight and they're going to put Jesse at nine and they're going to put Gutfeld at 10. Laura moves to

00:06:28.520 seven, according to the Drudge Report. I don't think that's smart right now because the audience

00:06:34.540 likes Sean. He's been there for years. I know he's a good friend of yours. And I like Sean too,

00:06:38.920 but they're punishing Fox. So don't take one of your biggest stars and line him up for

00:06:44.540 punches in the face because he's going to get it too. He is going to get it next.

00:06:48.020 And it's just not setting anybody up for success.

00:06:51.240 No, you're right. I mean, like Will Kane, for instance, was on this week. Everybody loves,

00:06:55.680 who doesn't like Will Kane? I mean, he's a good guy.

00:06:57.380 He's an impossible guy to not like, but the ratings are still not great. So your assertion

00:07:01.640 there is absolutely correct. They're clearly not targeting them specifically because some shows

00:07:06.520 have done okay. Like people in the five seems to be holding up reasonably well,

00:07:10.560 but they really do need to provide some kind of an explanation. It's just, it's not going to work

00:07:15.760 to keep it out there like that. That just didn't happen. Cause I think a lot of people think this

00:07:19.700 may be some kind of anti-Trump thing. I got to say, I don't, that wasn't my case. My, my deal with

00:07:25.640 Fox, I haven't told the story anywhere else. You get the first kind of crack at this outside of what

00:07:29.420 I said on my podcast, but I was not targeted. My show, they were dying to re-up for the,

00:07:36.280 we negotiated for an entire year. Um, so that I can't tell you that, Oh, Fox got rid of me

00:07:41.460 because they didn't. That's not the liberal, you know, jerk wads are going to run. Dan Bongino

00:07:45.600 was fired. I just give them the middle finger. It's just stupid. They're just making it up.

00:07:49.360 I was there. I negotiate my own deals. I don't have an agent. I do my own business deals. I don't

00:07:53.880 need any, I do my own business, right? They wanted the show. I just had a different vision for my role

00:07:59.420 at the network and that's okay. I was not, I'm not the Saturday guy, Megan. I'm sorry. I can't work

00:08:04.580 six days a week. I've got, I've got young kids and I'm not working six days a week.

00:08:08.940 And even though we recorded the show on Friday, you know, the inside baseball of Fox,

00:08:12.640 what happens when there's breaking news, which with Trump out there is all the time.

00:08:17.220 You've got to be on. So I'm on a boat with my friend. I'm having a few adult sodas,

00:08:21.100 maybe one too many adults out as not driving the boat. Don't worry about it. And all of a sudden

00:08:25.220 you get a call. Hey, there's a balloon from China. We got to go live. Uh, I'm sorry. I'm not

00:08:30.880 sure I'm in any condition to go live, but I'll give it a shot. And, um, you know, I mean, we,

00:08:35.900 not that I ever went on the air, but listen, it's hard. So I couldn't do it. And I said,

00:08:40.940 I'm sorry. Like that's not going to work out. So I definitely was not fired. Liberals are just

00:08:45.400 making that up. But with the Tucker thing happening, a couple of people, you know, people call you and

00:08:50.660 stuff. And I was definitely, you know, I'm not trying to, I don't want to put lipstick on this thing,

00:08:57.140 but I'm not the easiest guy to deal with Megan. I'm like a major PETA pain in the, you know,

00:09:02.640 you can figure out. I just am because I've got my own stuff. I've got my own investments. I've got

00:09:07.520 rumble. I've got my podcast, my radio show. And the thing I think your success out there on your

00:09:13.760 own has bought you is freedom. Money buys freedom. I hate to say it, but it's true. I know you're not

00:09:18.480 in this strictly for the cheese, but let's be honest, you know, it buys you freedom. And I was in a

00:09:23.960 position with them where I could walk away from a show on Fox and say, I'm sorry, that's not my

00:09:28.200 vision. And it's different. But someone told me later that, you know, in the end, probably they

00:09:34.040 weren't that eager the last few weeks to make this thing work. Because, you know, you, you could be a

00:09:38.980 little aggravating to work with and that they're not wrong. And that's okay. Maybe I'm not a company

00:09:43.560 guy in that respect. I'm sure they're regretting it now. I mean, it's like, I've got to,

00:09:47.580 you're, you're one of the people they could have slid into that eight o'clock time slot

00:09:51.400 and one back over those angry viewers. So, I mean, talk about not planning out to the future

00:09:57.340 when you make your employment decisions, but you and I both know, Dan, the truth is 95% of the

00:10:03.400 people who are on those cable news lineups right now would do anything to be in your slot or my

00:10:09.280 slot right now that they want what we have. They want to get out of the thumb, um, from underneath

00:10:15.660 the thumb of these big corporate cable giants who dictate what they can say, who most of them

00:10:21.300 know the vast majority are platform players. They don't think that they could make it out here

00:10:25.460 without the support of the Fox news digital platform and the, you know, the, the cable channel

00:10:31.200 and so on. So it's not available to everybody, but even many of the stars over there will text me and

00:10:36.780 say like, I'm so envious because you can do it on your own terms. And people, you say that we're on

00:10:41.220 the same time. Nobody even knows that they just download the Dan Bongino show. That's what I do.

00:10:45.520 And they can listen to you. They can listen to me. You can listen to it on two point

00:10:48.260 speed so you can get it fast, way more information than you would get if you were just sitting there

00:10:52.480 watching freaking cable all day. Yeah. You are so spot on to your audience. Megan's not lying. I get

00:11:00.840 these texts and phone calls all the time from people from other networks too. And they say the exact same

00:11:06.940 thing. How do I do that? Do what? Get out on your own, establish a rumble, a YouTube, whatever you want

00:11:13.320 to do, go out there and do your own show that you run, that you sell, that you have maybe a sales

00:11:18.640 agent with it best, but you are in the editor, editor in chief of your own show. You run your

00:11:23.000 own business and very few people would trade the other way. Now having a show on Fox or Newsmax is

00:11:29.980 still nice. There are still people who are not that tech savvy. I mean, my, my dad, he admitted himself

00:11:35.860 and I had to coach him to rumble. It's not complicated, but he's used to turn it on. What I call

00:11:40.720 Megan, the one button problem, the advantage Newsmax and Fox still have over us is there's

00:11:45.460 a generation of 40 plus me included who some of us are not that tech savvy. They are used to one

00:11:51.920 button. They keep Fox or Newsmax on all day and they hit power. I call it the one button problem.

00:11:57.280 The problem with Roku and other things, it's not a problem for the kids. They know exactly what to

00:12:02.440 do. Bang, bang, bang. They're done. Easy. A lot of folks our age, they, you know, they're not used to

00:12:06.560 that. Oh, what do you mean? I got to go to an app. Where do I find that? And they give up.

00:12:09.940 That's going away. In 10 years, that'll be a non-issue with smart TVs. The grandkids come

00:12:15.100 over and show them one time and they're good. So that's where people like you and I on our own,

00:12:20.380 and you got the people at the Daily Wire who are doing their own thing. That's when I think the

00:12:24.240 cord cutting is going to be apocalyptic. I think they're going to be down potentially maybe Fox and

00:12:30.280 others. You're going to see audiences and you know, numbers better than anyone. Demo numbers below 200,

00:12:36.020 you know, nightly numbers below 2 million. I mean, for shows that we're doing three and a half and

00:12:41.860 4 million on a regular on garbage nights, you know, 10 years ago. I mean, your show three and a half

00:12:48.120 million was like, oh man, that's a bad night, whatever. That's going to be your high. And that's

00:12:53.200 the problem. Traditional cable news is going to have. And I think that's why I'm the most upset.

00:12:57.580 Because again, I still have friends over there and things. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm relatively young,

00:13:02.000 48. I mean, with all this stuff going on these days with health and fitness, you live to your

00:13:06.140 2000 years old. I mean, I could have been there for 20, 30 years. And Megan, honest to God, how many

00:13:12.960 of us can do this? You just kind of hinted at it before. How many people can go out on their own

00:13:17.480 and draw an audience of millions a day? The answer is, I would argue to you in the conservative

00:13:22.880 political talk ecosystem, there's probably less than 10 people in the United States that can do that

00:13:28.280 right now. And the numbers back it up. And when you get one of them, damn it, don't let him go.

00:13:33.080 That's just, that's just bad business. Yeah, I agree. And like Tucker's a much better,

00:13:37.620 bigger threat to them now on the outside, he will draw audience. And if he pops a show up live,

00:13:44.160 like on rumble or someplace else at 8 PM, then it's on, then it's truly like game on because people will

00:13:52.080 figure out how to download Tucker there. He's got Arden fans and it's a different situation.

00:13:56.340 Even from when I left Fox, cause I had a year at NBC and then I had a year on my couch.

00:14:00.780 He's going right from the prime time with his audience and love to boom, he's going to be

00:14:06.000 popping up on your screen. So I think his audience will follow him. We just don't know exactly when,

00:14:10.260 cause he's still in the middle of his legal dispute with Fox. But it is wonderful to have

00:14:14.760 the freedom. I have to say, I would never change it. People ask me all the time, even with Tucker gone,

00:14:18.460 people are not paying attention or like, do you want to go back? Do you want Tucker spot? I'm like,

00:14:22.380 are you crazy? There's not enough money in the world. I walked away from that deal. The first

00:14:28.000 time I used to have those slots. I said, no, I don't want this. That's not an opinion. That's a

00:14:33.200 fact. No, that's why I get so annoyed when I see all these dopey liberals tweeting how I got fired.

00:14:38.020 I said, I still got friends, but that's just factually inaccurate. That is totally, my show

00:14:43.300 was number one on Saturday night by far. Wasn't even close in the demo and overall in prime time. I mean,

00:14:49.100 we were destroying everyone across the board. Why would you walk away from that? The answer is

00:14:54.080 because what you just said, there is a premium on freedom, not just for content, but just being

00:15:00.080 able to like, now we, you know, you can go in, you can tape a little bit of your show. You can get a

00:15:05.220 good interview. You, but you don't have that luxury with a lot of these places. They're on their

00:15:09.000 schedule, not yours. And, you know, just, you know, for you and I to be able to do all this,

00:15:14.100 control the content, say what you want. You know, you drop an S bomb once in a while,

00:15:18.700 your show. You don't have to worry about FCC stuff or anything like that. It is. It is the

00:15:23.220 greatest life. And that's why to your audience and my audience, I can't thank you enough for

00:15:28.460 supporting Megan show, my show, new media in general. This is absolutely the future. And you

00:15:34.100 are way ahead of the curve and content consumption on that side. It's exciting. And you can't have a

00:15:39.800 conversation like this on cable news, Dan, you know, it's like seven minute segments. If that we

00:15:44.460 some nights on the Kelly file, I would spend an hour getting ready for a particular segment in the,

00:15:49.100 you know, the blocks. And, um, it would be a three minute block. I'm like, I spent an hour

00:15:53.840 preparing for a three minute block. I got two questions out to the guy and it was over.

00:15:58.660 There's just, it's just such thin gruel. Whereas in this, you're not a little secret,

00:16:03.140 because I don't talk about this much on my show, but with you, because you totally get it.

00:16:08.280 You're a very, very good interview. I watched your show. I've been watching Fox 20 years. I watched it

00:16:12.780 every night. I watched you during the daytime and I, you, it's a skill. I'm not just kind of

00:16:17.680 glossing you up. It's true. Interviewing people is a skill. And I don't say this to be funny or

00:16:22.680 self-deprecating for effect. I mean, I suck at it. I'm just not good at it. I don't know if it's

00:16:29.180 because I don't give a damn what people say I do. I'm just, I suck. And I, I'm not good. And you

00:16:35.260 look at, I had to learn the skill. You look at like a Howard Stern, who, although the politics went off

00:16:39.500 to the left, I grew up on Stern. Stern was never that good of an interviewer. Yeah. You know,

00:16:43.780 if he wasn't asking a question about a woman doing something crazy, like it wasn't an interesting

00:16:48.120 interview. And as he got older, his interviews got amazing where he's interviewing some guy who

00:16:53.000 sells bagels on the corner. And you're like, holy crap, this is the greatest interview. I didn't know

00:16:57.280 that went into bagels, you know, and you had that skill. I had to learn it because my, if you go back

00:17:03.100 and watch, I was on for two years, you watch my first few shows. The interviews are just cringy.

00:17:09.700 I'm not even asking questions. I'm just giving them answers. I'm like, Hey, conservatives are

00:17:13.580 really great. Governor DeSantis, right? You're really great too. Just tell us. I mean, it's really

00:17:17.960 cringy. So I had to learn you. I think it's because you're a lawyer and you're good at the

00:17:22.200 back and forth. I sucked so bad at it. At the end, I got a little bit better, but man,

00:17:27.320 you are being very hard on yourself. I it's, I just am a learner. Really? I'm a learner for life. Like I,

00:17:32.700 I, I want to be a learn it all. So if you get an interesting guest like you, it's easy, right?

00:17:37.660 The, the tough interviews are the people who don't want to give anything up and treat it like a

00:17:40.900 deposition. And then you're like, Oh my God, I always say, if you hear me talking the whole hour,

00:17:46.020 that's what you're talking to him about. Is AI going to kill everyone on planet earth? You wrote

00:17:50.960 this interesting piece about it, sir. Explain. Yes, they will. Do you have anything else to add,

00:17:57.200 please? Cause this is two minutes. We got to kill that. That's, that's the worst interview of all,

00:18:01.740 where you've got to like go in there, you know, macho man, savage style and rip out of them

00:18:07.420 every single word. You're like, please God, just answer a question with more than three words.

00:18:13.020 That's happened to me a couple of times too. So many times, so cringy, or you've got certain

00:18:18.080 guests who are like the king or queen of the non sequitur. Like you've asked something direct,

00:18:21.400 like what's your favorite fruit? And they're like, well, the couch was built in 1940. And then we

00:18:25.740 exchanged it for, and you're like, Oh, over here, dear. If you could just over here, right here.

00:18:31.740 Follow the shiny red object. It's happened to me too. And then you get these gems. Like we used to

00:18:37.600 have Henner Gracie. He's a mixed martial arts fighter, expert in ground fighting. This guy was

00:18:43.580 phenomenal. We'd bring them on every time there was one of these crime videos and all, here's this

00:18:47.980 woman. She's horribly getting beaten up in the cell phone shop. That happened. How do you defend

00:18:51.760 yourself? This guy comes on, Megan, all you had to do is turn the mic on. Henner, just show us what to

00:18:57.420 do. It would be the greatest three minutes of your life. And you're like, Oh man, I would try to fit

00:19:02.660 this guy into any show. He's a jujitsu guy. And it'd be a thing about voter ID in Georgia. I'd be

00:19:08.000 like, Henner, was there a fight at a voting booth in Georgia? Can you come on and demo that for us?

00:19:13.100 He was so good. Those guests are gold.

00:19:16.040 Can I tell you? So we, we, um, I take a two week vacation with my family every June where the kids are

00:19:20.900 off from school and we go someplace big. And the first week we offer, um, like a T a week of tape

00:19:27.040 shows. They're new there. It's fresh content. Uh, but it's on tape since I'm traveling and, uh,

00:19:32.680 we're taping those right now. And we did one on MH three 70 and you know, the missing Malaysian

00:19:38.240 airplane. And Dan, I was like, I didn't speak. I said two words, the whole podcast. It was like,

00:19:46.260 he walks you through exactly how he thinks it went down and exactly what he thinks happened to the

00:19:53.740 passengers and how none of us spoke. I didn't draw a breath. It was like, Oh my God. I've already

00:19:59.220 told my friends, you got to listen to this when I'm gone in June. It's like the best content that

00:20:02.880 is it's TV gold. When you get somebody like that. And they put you in this story, you know,

00:20:07.960 it's like, you're there, like you're walking through it. Like that must've been terrible on that

00:20:11.720 play. Like you were there. And, but that's like the stern story, right? Cause I grew up in the

00:20:15.920 guy. Again, he was so terrible, but he'll get these people to talk about anything. Like you

00:20:19.800 think a story like that, right? That story's what? 10 years old. I mean, I did a Fox hit on that DC

00:20:24.400 when I lived in Maryland. I'm out of Maryland. And I remember they asked me to come, you know,

00:20:29.220 you know, a TV where it's like, you're a secret service guy, right? Uh, yeah. Can you talk about

00:20:33.160 the downed Asian airliner? Uh, why, why? I don't, you flew on a plane once, right? Okay. And you know,

00:20:39.060 back then you're desperate to get on TV for anything. You run it for office. You're like,

00:20:41.900 sure. And I'm talking about this freaking airliner. I don't know squat about it. And

00:20:46.720 you know, you don't say no to anything. Then towards the end, I didn't, then towards the end,

00:20:50.800 you know, when you're at an actual host there, you know, this is true. They're getting like some

00:20:55.180 serious behind the scenes, Fox stuff here. When you're a host, tell me I'm wrong. You don't want

00:20:59.880 to do any hits for anyone ever. People call unless it's like a personal call from Sean. It's a favor.

00:21:06.660 Yeah. You're like, I can't do it. Cause you're like, I can't, I just cannot go on. I'm so tired

00:21:12.520 and you don't want to do hits ever. And you have enough airtime. Yeah. You have enough airtime.

00:21:18.040 I'm good. And it's a, it's a gift. It's always actually like on election night,

00:21:22.340 we would always put on our big primetime stars, you know, and I was, I was anchoring election night

00:21:26.360 with Brett Baer. We'd always make sure we had O'Reilly, we had Hannity come on and like,

00:21:31.020 they'd have to do it. And it was so great because they rarely would be on the opposite side where they

00:21:35.760 answer the questions as opposed to ask them. And they always did so well. Like the guys like that.

00:21:40.460 And like you who do a lot of radio talk for a living, there's just like a special skill that

00:21:45.440 comes with practice. And I will say the best people to interview the best are the ones like you who

00:21:51.620 talk for a living and who have been doing it for a long time. Like those guys. I hope so. I didn't

00:21:55.360 want to disappoint you. My first interview. So, and I tell you, I learned from the best. I mean,

00:22:00.840 you know, Hannity, that's why I think if he called or his team called, I would always go on for them.

00:22:05.760 Always go on for them. And then, you know, Levin's another one. Like if Mark, if Mark Levin,

00:22:10.040 the godfather of the movie, he asked you to come on, you just do it. Like out of respect. You don't

00:22:14.740 say, ah, Mark, hold on. I got a pizza down. You just do it. You show up and you shut up.

00:22:19.740 I have no relationship with him, Dan.

00:22:20.940 I just couldn't earlier. That was the only reason.

00:22:23.100 I have this like crush from afar on Mark Levin. I, I've always loved him. I agree with Sean that he's

00:22:30.080 the great one. I listen to everything he says. I read his books, but like he, he only really likes

00:22:35.540 the true believers. And I've always been just more of a journalist who's like, let me, let me hear both

00:22:39.560 sides. I mean, so I don't think I'm his number one favorite, but I secretly from afar and like a Mark

00:22:44.840 Levin stalker. You are a journalist. You are. And I respect that. Um, I'm not, you know, like I don't

00:22:53.020 give a damn about journalism. I give a damn about activism. Journalism one has been destroyed.

00:22:57.540 There's only like you, Taibbi and Greenwald left. There's really no one else out there.

00:23:01.840 Maybe Catherine Herridge too. She seems to be shaking it up at CBS, which is bizarre. They hired

00:23:06.940 her because I'm like, why would you want an actual journalist? Like that's something you do at CBS.

00:23:10.680 Yes. So she's terrorizing them over at CBS by doing actual journalism, but I'm not a journalist

00:23:16.000 and I'm always honest about it. You are, I'll agree. I mean, you've been on, you know, you ask

00:23:20.420 questions and you, you've been pretty hard hitting. Um, I don't like journalists, present company

00:23:25.300 excluded because I don't care. I'm an activist and I don't pretend to be otherwise. I don't give a

00:23:29.700 damn. I care about the truth, but I'm not here to like ask you questions on the Democrat side to give

00:23:34.620 you a fair hearing. I think you suck. I think your politics suck. I think they're trash. I think

00:23:40.260 you're wrecking this country. I don't want to hear about cutting some kids nuts off when they're

00:23:43.620 nine years old. And I'm not going to give you a fair explain to me why castrating a nine year

00:23:47.880 old is good. Congressman Hank Johnson. I don't care about your stupid answer or the fact that

00:23:53.000 you think freaking Guam is going to sink because you're a moron. I don't want to hear it. I don't

00:23:58.580 pretend to be anything different. I'm not going to be a journalist. I'm not interested in fair

00:24:02.920 questions. Matter of fact, to any Democrat, whoever came on my show on the rebuttal, I'm sorry.

00:24:08.080 Let me just tell you now, because you were being set up. I was using you as the resident

00:24:12.680 idiot of the show. The fact that you morons agreed to come on is your problem. But every single one

00:24:18.620 of them from Hawk Newsome to that dumb ass who didn't know there are more guns now in Australia

00:24:24.260 than before the gun ban, we used you as an idiot. You would ask fair questions and give them a shot.

00:24:30.540 And I respect that. You are. You do a good job. But that's not me. I don't give a damn.

00:24:34.800 These people are enemies of the United States. And I give it I don't give a rat's ass about any

00:24:40.340 journalistic crap or giving them the time of day. I'm there to make them stupid using Alinsky's rule

00:24:46.160 of ridicule. And if you want to be fair and talk about honest, cool stuff like, hey, how do we reach

00:24:52.240 a middle ground on this and that? I'm cool. But if you're going to come on the show and tell me,

00:24:56.720 hey, you know, we're going to cut some kids nuts off and not and there's no, no, I'm not talking

00:25:00.660 about that. You're not going to get a fair shake. I'm going to make you look like the moron you are.

00:25:05.320 And that's it. So all Democrats, don't come on my show if you're going to say stupid stuff because

00:25:10.060 you won't get a fair shake because no chance. Absolutely beautiful. This is what people love

00:25:14.920 about you. This is why you're so compelling to listen to. It's so refreshing. No. OK, so now so

00:25:20.220 people could tune in and listen to Dan Bongino do that, which is super fun or or they could turn on

00:25:26.400 CNN, which which has somebody who feels as vehemently as you do. But over on the liberal

00:25:32.040 side, far left side, up and down the primetime lineup and the daytime lineup. But they say

00:25:37.580 they're journalists, right? They masquerade as straight news people. And that brings me to

00:25:42.520 Christiane Amanpour. Christiane Amanpour, who's, you know, one of the faces of CNN. And she gave

00:25:50.840 a graduation speech where she was at Columbia University, of course, a school of journalism,

00:25:55.820 no less. Oh, my God. Like Rogers rolling over in his grave. She goes over and she's, you know,

00:26:02.180 everybody at CNN is self-flagellating over that town hall with Trump, as you know. And I know you

00:26:05.960 had him on your show since then. They're so mad at each other that that they had this. They hate

00:26:11.020 Chris Licht for agreeing to it. And I just want to give you like a flavor. We cut a couple of sound

00:26:16.580 bites, but they're worth it. Here she is addressing the graduates about that town hall, Satwan.

00:26:21.160 I understand that the town hall a week ago was for many an earthquake. I met with CNN CEO Chris Licht

00:26:29.700 at our New York headquarters. As my management believes they did the right thing, a service to

00:26:34.220 the American people. I still respectfully disagree with allowing Donald Trump to appear in that

00:26:40.300 particular format. I would have dropped the mic at nasty person. But then that's me. Maybe we should

00:26:48.000 revert back to the newspaper editors and TV chiefs of the 1950s, who in the end refused to allow

00:26:54.940 McCarthyism onto their pages. His influence gradually decreased with all but his fervent cliques and

00:27:02.860 cults.

00:27:04.000 Okay. I would have dropped the mic.

00:27:10.940 There's so much in there. So let me just start first by saying this. Noticeably, she leaves out

00:27:15.940 the fact that the New York Times covered for the Soviet Union via Durante for decades while Ukrainians

00:27:23.300 were being literally starved to death and buried in mass graves. The New York Times, it's a historical

00:27:28.740 fact, it's not my opinion, was an active collaborator in suppressing the horrors of the Soviet Union.

00:27:35.820 I don't notice how she mentions McCarthy, but she leaves the other side of that thing totally

00:27:39.940 completely out. But think about this. Now, let's put our heads on straight and not do the spinning

00:27:44.680 Reagan exorcist style head thing that she just pulled. She works at CNN and she's got the cojones to be

00:27:51.980 talking about journalism. Megan, they promoted a pee-pee tape. Do you know what kind of a level

00:27:58.140 one dipwad you need to be, no matter how bad you think Donald Trump is, to believe there's a tape

00:28:05.000 of him getting peed on that no one has seen but the Russians? It's amazing. And the tape was being used

00:28:12.260 to steal an election while he was giving Putin back rubs? You have to be so freaking stupid that in

00:28:19.680 a draft lottery of idiots, you're the number one pick. And they promoted this thing for five years.

00:28:27.220 And Christiane Amanpour, who, by the way, if you've never seen her getting wrecked by Liz Harrington

00:28:32.240 on her show about this stuff, it is epic. I suggest you put it in a search engine that she dares to

00:28:39.000 complain about Trump being on a network who could very well be the Republican nominee while working

00:28:44.180 there. And then one more here. I got a prop. I don't usually do props, but check this out.

00:28:48.340 This is the receipt of the Hunter Biden laptop. After they fell for the pee-pee tape that didn't

00:28:54.140 exist, they told you that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. The freaking laptop

00:29:00.360 was signed by Hunter Biden with Hunter Biden's address, with Hunter Biden's phone number,

00:29:05.800 with emails from Hunter Biden by a guy who ID'd Hunter Biden with a computer that had a Biden family

00:29:11.580 sticker on it that the business partner said were authentic emails. And they said, nah,

00:29:16.080 that sounds like it's Russian to me. And you're lecturing us about journalism at the Columbia

00:29:21.520 School of Journalism. Listen, ma'am, with all due respect, you got a cool accent. Sounds terrific.

00:29:27.900 Go sit down. Hard pass on your advice on. That's why I'm not a journalist. I'm not. I'll never be a

00:29:34.340 journalist. I don't want to be a journalist because of people like her. And what an embarrassing speech.

00:29:37.980 And by the way, that nonsense about how I would have dropped the mic and walked away if he had

00:29:41.060 called me a nasty woman. Bullshit. Bullshit. You're on the national stage. You're hosting

00:29:45.100 the CNN town hall. Who is she kidding? She would have needed to say her face on TV too badly to

00:29:50.120 actually do that. She just wants to sound tough because, of course, as we both know,

00:29:54.120 the seven foot center does not tell you how tall they are. Right. It's like she's got to sound it

00:29:58.300 because she actually doesn't do it. And she's riding high on her reputation of old when there was no

00:30:03.080 competition in the business. Now, here's another one, because this is so fun.

00:30:06.300 She decided that the town hall audience, of course, was disgusting because it was all

00:30:10.740 Republicans from New Hampshire and people couldn't get past the fact that they laughed.

00:30:15.380 They laughed at Trump's humor. And when he made fun of a sexual assault victim,

00:30:20.800 here's just a little bit of her thoughts on that and sought to.

00:30:24.940 I believe it is our home and therefore there is plenty of town hall and presidential and other

00:30:33.020 televised debate precedent to insist that our invited guests behave themselves.

00:30:40.360 Chris Lick told me he agrees that the execution was lacking a little and that I am sure we will

00:30:47.720 not witness that same appalling, appalling behavior in future town halls.

00:30:54.980 Hmm. I mean, again, with the left, you hear this all the time, right? Believe all women,

00:31:02.060 right? It's like a hashtag. Believe all women, which is fascinating because Tara Reid comes forward

00:31:06.800 and says, I've got some serious allegations of getting groped by Joe Biden. You know, this is

00:31:12.040 like really serious stuff. No, we don't want to talk about her. The weirdest thing. They ruined her.

00:31:16.960 And my, and my principles, I've actually defended Cuomo on this, Andrew Cuomo, not because I like him,

00:31:24.360 but because as a former law enforcement officer, I don't believe all women. I believe all evidence.

00:31:29.520 There is a difference. You don't believe all, what is believe all women? What if a woman comes forward

00:31:35.740 and throws out some story about, I, I was, uh, you know, Joe Biden sent me to Jupiter on an excursion

00:31:42.700 out there to go find more tax dollars for Jupiterians. Believe all women. It's that you believe

00:31:48.440 evidence. You believe evidence. If you can, we just, by the way, Dan, we just had a woman on Stanford

00:31:53.800 University campus who accused a man twice of raping her, of like kidnapping her in the parking lot,

00:32:00.100 dragging her behind closed doors or down into a basement saying that he raped her. It was terrible.

00:32:05.100 They didn't reveal it was the same woman accusing the same man who just magically

00:32:09.280 raped her twice in two months. Like she would, it was all a hoax. She tried to ruin this guy's life.

00:32:15.300 We still don't know why. Believe all women is nonsense. Believe evidence. You're a lawyer, Megan.

00:32:23.000 People do things all the time. They're motivated by all kinds of intentions. You have no idea.

00:32:29.800 People used to walk into the precinct and say, Hey, listen, this guy next door to my house is

00:32:34.420 slinging crack. You find out later they had a civil dispute over a fence in the backyard. The guy was

00:32:39.180 doing no such thing. You believe evidence in a civil society, in a functioning constitutional

00:32:45.520 republic. You believe evidence. You do not try a case on someone's word just because they said it.

00:32:52.840 And Donald Trump, regardless of anyone's personal feelings about him, I know the guy differently.

00:32:57.660 And I get it. Like I, the tweets, we could clean up a lot of stuff. It's for another day. You want to

00:33:01.720 talk about, we'll talk about, I don't really care. I'll talk about anything, but I know the guy

00:33:04.600 differently. The guy has every right to say, I don't know this person. I don't know this person.

00:33:10.940 Can you provide me any evidence? She couldn't even name the year. So Christiane, I'm of course,

00:33:16.680 suggestion is he shouldn't be able to defend himself in a town hall. He should just say,

00:33:21.260 no, I'm guilty. Even though I'm not, that's a, that's absurd. What kind of society is that?

00:33:26.420 You're 100% right. And the thing about the sexual assault allegations is so galling because Trump

00:33:30.780 denied it from day one and they want, it's as if the jury, a civil jury where the standard is 51%

00:33:37.260 more likely than not, did he do this? Um, a jury said, okay, yeah, something happened between them.

00:33:42.260 Like he assaulted her in some way, but no rape. So that's all we have. We don't have a criminal

00:33:46.160 conviction. We don't have beyond a reasonable doubt. We have one jury in a, in a borough that

00:33:51.040 went 87% for Joe Biden that said, okay, I think it's more likely than not that he did something to

00:33:55.540 her. That's it. So they want Trump to go out there and cry in his soup. They, what they

00:34:00.500 want is, I guess I respect her. I think she believes it. My heart goes out to all sex.

00:34:07.100 No, he's like, she's a liar. He behaved totally consistent with a man guilty or innocent who

00:34:12.780 is saying this person is a liar and is, is to be mocked. I will mock her because the story

00:34:18.900 is mockable and the audience clearly believed him. So they didn't think they were mocking

00:34:23.860 a sexual assault victim. They thought they were laughing along with him at the absurdity of

00:34:28.680 the story. As this woman told it, this is how the left operates. You see, they don't

00:34:35.040 really believe any of this stuff. When you have a woman that comes forward and says, I

00:34:39.540 was in a changing room in LA and a guy who came in claiming to be transgender, exposed

00:34:44.940 his junk right in front of me. And we find out later that the guy has a history of sexual

00:34:50.240 assault. That woman, forget her, throw her in the garbage. But Megan, that's not the only

00:34:54.980 example. This is what the left. This is what drives me. This is why I'm so happy. Like

00:34:58.760 I'm out on my own because I don't want any, I don't like people tell me, don't tell me

00:35:02.180 what to do. I want, I'm not going to listen to you anyway. I'm going to tell you to kiss

00:35:05.200 my ass and it's just going to cause a problem. I don't want to be told to, I don't, don't

00:35:08.620 ever tell me what to do ever. Don't tell me what I'm going to talk about or not. Oh, if

00:35:12.780 a woman says this, you got to believe it automatically, no matter what, despite zero evidence.

00:35:17.320 No, because you don't do it. You don't do it. You're a big freaking phony. They do

00:35:23.760 this all the time. I'll give you two more examples. Quick ones, right? Remember Alexander

00:35:27.260 Vindman? You dare not criticize decorated military officers. You cannot, he's in the

00:35:33.240 military. He's even in uniform. Look at him. He's ate a few Twinkies, but that's okay.

00:35:37.540 He's in his, don't you dare criticize this guy in uniform. Really? That's interesting.

00:35:41.520 You got Lieutenant General Mike Flynn, more than decorated guy, who matter of fact, called

00:35:46.580 out intelligence agencies for years about the problems we were having. Mike Flynn,

00:35:51.220 throw him in jail, hang him by his toenails. And in the Vindman case, again, whistleblowers.

00:35:55.920 And then remember the other whistleblower, you couldn't even mention his name. It was

00:35:59.600 verboten. They would pull you off platforms everywhere. And yet today, just today or whenever

00:36:05.180 this airs, whatever you got these FBI whistleblowers, real patriots attacked by their own government

00:36:10.980 for blowing the whistle on the FBI. And what's the left doing? Pulling up random Twitter accounts

00:36:16.080 like that idiot, Linda Sanchez from California that don't even belong to the agent. And she

00:36:21.020 doesn't even care. She just keeps going. Are you Marcus Allen, 722, 45? No, ma'am. That's

00:36:26.680 not my account. Well, Marcus, I want you to answer for the account anyway. You want me to answer

00:36:30.520 for an egghead on Twitter with 12 followers? What is this serious? Yours is Capitol Hill,

00:36:35.440 right? I mean, they're total phonies and that's how they get people to shut up. They said, they

00:36:40.600 said, Oh, don't mention the whistleblower. Ah, that's bullshit. I went on my show whistleblower.

00:36:44.820 Apple pulled the show down. Fine. Pull it down. I'll do whatever I want. You don't tell me what

00:36:49.040 to do. And that's how the left boxes people in and suckers fall for it. This kind of, I think

00:36:54.380 Gutfeld calls it like the prison of two ideas. You know, either you do this or you're the bad guy.

00:36:58.300 No, no, no. You're going to tell me, believe all women. I'm going to tell you back. I will.

00:37:03.300 When you show me evidence, matter of fact, I'll be your biggest advocate. You show me evidence

00:37:07.540 that something happened with some conservative out there. You show me the evidence. I'll be the first

00:37:12.400 one to talk about it, but they don't want to do that. They want to just pigeonhole you in.

00:37:17.160 This woman, E. Jean Carroll, who was accusing Trump of raping her in a, you know, Bergdorf

00:37:21.280 Goodman 30 years ago, maybe, maybe 31, maybe 32, maybe 40. We don't know. Um, she, her best

00:37:27.760 evidence was she had two witnesses who she told that this happened at the time, right? Two other

00:37:32.480 women who come forward and say, E. Jean told me this happened right after it happened. Well,

00:37:35.480 the left loved that. They love that. They love to tell us who the women were. This is exactly

00:37:39.420 what they said. What kind of a woman would tell her friends right after if she was just

00:37:42.980 making it up. That is literally the same thing as Tara Reid. Tara Reid had two friends. She

00:37:48.480 told about the alleged Joe Biden assault at the time. One was right after, and one was

00:37:54.180 like a year or so after. And they utterly ignored it, Dan. It was like, believe all women

00:37:59.860 was out the window. They were combing through her bankruptcy records, trying to say she's a

00:38:04.240 dishonest member. They tried to say she didn't actually go to the college. She's she didn't quite

00:38:07.980 get enough credits to graduate, but she said she had graduated. Then she testified as an

00:38:11.580 expert expert witness. It was a lie because she may have been one credit short. I mean,

00:38:15.420 they ruined her. The believe all women crowd. They don't. It's because it's not a statement

00:38:22.380 of principle. It is a statement of political tactical weaponry. It's not a serious statement

00:38:28.340 from them. They don't believe it. That's my biggest beef with the left. My biggest beef with

00:38:34.320 the left is that people often think, oh, my gosh, if we expose the and I'm not talking

00:38:39.640 about all Democrats, I want to be clear. I don't stereotype people like that. I'm talking

00:38:43.200 about liberal. If you profess a radical leftist ideology, I'm sorry, you're just straight up

00:38:47.880 anti-American. There are a lot of Democrats just have different ideas. Fine, whatever.

00:38:52.440 But the thing people mistake about the left. Matter of fact, today on my radio show, some

00:38:55.920 guy I talked to the audience on Facebook. They messaged me and some guy during the break.

00:39:00.920 God, Dan, you yell too much. You're not trying to convince. You're never going to

00:39:04.260 convince a liberal. His name was Jeff. I said, bro, you think I'm trying to convince liberals?

00:39:08.880 Because let me tell you something. Don't listen to my show. You're not for my. I don't I don't

00:39:12.500 care. I'm I'm I'm 48 years old. I'm filthy, stinking rich. I don't give a shit if you listen

00:39:19.020 to my show or not. Here's what I care about. The radical left sucks. And I am going to call

00:39:24.940 them out of my show every single day to saying Democrats, you are absolutely welcome on my show

00:39:29.920 anytime. The fact that you have an open mind, the deepest of respect out to you. I get it.

00:39:34.580 Not everybody follows politics like we do. Some people are confused. If you're a radical

00:39:39.040 pro cutting the nuts off a kid at nine years old, I don't want you on my show. You will be ridiculed

00:39:46.300 and humiliated all the time. And then other people say things like, well, with the left,

00:39:51.440 you know, we got to expose their hypocrisy. They don't care about hypocrisy. Totalitarians,

00:39:57.240 Megan. Just look at history. They don't give a damn about hypocrisy. When Che Guevara was putting

00:40:04.520 the enemies of socialism up against La Pared, the wall and shooting them, he didn't care that he was

00:40:11.860 fat, dumb and happy living off the free market he created for himself with his food and all this

00:40:17.740 other crap. He didn't care that it looked hypocritical. They care about power. It is hierarchy

00:40:23.140 to them. It is not hypocrisy. It doesn't matter. Now I pointed out to ridicule them, but I'm under

00:40:28.460 no illusions at all. We're going to convince a single liberal to come to our side. So why do

00:40:32.860 you do it? Why do you do? Fair enough question. You, I do that because when I was running for

00:40:37.960 office, I learned a lot. I ran three times and you know, got close once horseshoes and hand grenades

00:40:42.760 close don't matter. But the race, I got my ass kicked the worst. I learned the most because some,

00:40:47.760 I went to a seminar one day and a guy said, when you're arguing with the liberal,

00:40:50.440 you're not arguing with him. You're arguing for the third person. Who the hell is the third person?

00:40:54.500 He says, anyone listening. You're never going to convince the liberal. They're convinced they

00:40:58.820 want to destroy the United States as you know it. Economically, educationally, you're never going

00:41:03.180 to convince them. But there's always a third party listening. And then when I was running for office

00:41:06.620 one day, I was up at the Maryland County Fair. I'm talking to this teacher's union rep and we're

00:41:11.300 arguing loudly about school choice, something I passionately believe in because I'm a product of it.

00:41:16.280 Passionately, but I wouldn't be speaking to you in coherent English sentences without it.

00:41:20.440 And the woman, of course, I never broke through it. I didn't intend to, but we argued for a good 10

00:41:25.000 minutes. Guy comes over a few minutes later. He's like, listen, man, I'm a Democrat. Not really

00:41:30.020 into the whole school choice things, but I got to say, you held your own. He said, you did really

00:41:34.220 well. And you got me thinking. And I never, ever forgot that third person theory, but make no

00:41:38.240 mistake. These liberals have no principle. Believe all women, believe all whistleblowers. They don't

00:41:42.920 believe any of that stuff. They believe in one thing, destroying the United States,

00:41:48.100 collectivizing power, controlling the means of production, controlling the kids, creating

00:41:52.680 division between the kids and the parents and using any vehicle whatsoever to get you to believe

00:41:58.260 that capitalism is subordinate to collectivism. If it's environmentalism, they'll use that.

00:42:03.280 If it's race, they'll use that.

00:42:06.660 They don't believe, they don't believe trans women are women. They don't believe black lives

00:42:10.820 matter either. Take a look at Chicago. Take a look at Detroit. Take a look at Baltimore. These are

00:42:14.880 just slogans. Wait, standby. Hold that thought. I teed it up and I'm just going to leave it there as

00:42:18.620 an air balloon as we take a quick break. So people will come back and listen to more of Dan Bongino

00:42:23.100 right after this, our guest for the full show today.

00:42:29.820 So Dan, you are not the only person who only wants to talk to one side. Unfortunately, when it happens

00:42:36.360 in the U.S. Congress, it feels a little icky. So they had a hearing. Of course, the House is now

00:42:42.280 controlled by the Republicans and they had a hearing on left-wing violence. And Dan Goldman,

00:42:48.000 representative from New York. I used to interview this guy on NBC on like the morning show. He was

00:42:54.920 kind of soft. He was kind of sweet. Then he ran for Congress and got just activated. Now he's like

00:43:00.880 an AOC type in his rhetoric and the way he behaves. It's actually really kind of galling. So he has his

00:43:08.080 chance to ask some questions and he goes after town hall senior writer Julio Rosas, who's been on this

00:43:14.860 show. This is a guy who goes all over the country covering the stories that the mainstream media

00:43:19.140 ignores. Antifa violence, the border, you name it. And by the way, Rosa, he's also, he's a Marine.

00:43:27.380 So he's covered the stuff. He's been in the midst of Antifa. He's a Marine. And he gets up there to

00:43:31.940 talk about the left-wing violence he has seen. And then Dan Goldman gets a shot at Rosas. And this

00:43:36.560 is a bit of how that went.

00:43:37.840 You're trying to get us, gaslight us up here as if Antifa, which Mr. Rosas, apparently the expert now

00:43:46.540 in organized terrorist activity, has overruled the FBI director who says, there's a headline,

00:43:55.900 says Antifa is an ideology, not an organization. No, no, no. Let's not listen to the FBI director.

00:44:00.980 Let's listen to, sorry, what's your title? Senior writer at town hall who is going to tell us that

00:44:08.400 the FBI director is wrong. And I'd like to introduce, there's no question.

00:44:12.920 I think it's funny to be lectured by an heir to the Levi Strauss Corporation. And honestly,

00:44:19.140 that's probably why he doesn't consider property damage to be that big of a deal, because not only

00:44:23.700 does he have that, but he also has what some would describe an impossibly good stock portfolio.

00:44:28.500 The absolute arrogance, right? The arrogance. And by the way, he didn't let Julio respond.

00:44:36.260 He had to do that later in the exchange because Dan Goldman was like, I'm not taking questions.

00:44:41.140 Yeah. I can't watch that clip enough. I love Julio. He's an amazing guy.

00:44:47.260 Just a couple of quick takeaways from that. You know, first, because Congress has no real power

00:44:51.680 anymore, they've ceded all their authority to the bureaucracy. That's just a fact. I mean,

00:44:55.400 that's why they're so panicked about Chevron deference. That's what they want.

00:44:58.500 They don't want to have to actually vote on anything of importance. The problem with Congress

00:45:02.040 is they can't actually do anything. So they all want to be social media star. So that's

00:45:06.280 where you get Jamal Bowman, AOC, Dan Goldman. And Republicans do it too. That's it. That's

00:45:13.960 what they do. And the second point is, you know, it's kind of weird. Again, I just told you

00:45:17.580 before in the last segment that liberals don't actually believe in anything. It's weird because

00:45:22.120 just a few days prior to that, Joe Biden told us that the most dangerous thing in America

00:45:26.620 at an HBCU was what? An idea. White supremacy. White supremacy, right? So I don't get it. Is an

00:45:33.300 idea dangerous or is it not? Because you're telling us ideas are the most dangerous threat

00:45:38.440 to the country. And yet we bring up Antifa. No, no. Ideas are no problem. No sweat. You guys are

00:45:43.820 all in. Anyone else catch that? I mean, I think I was one of the few people who brought that up.

00:45:47.740 You can't have it both ways. The absolute gall of him to look at Julio, who's actually endangered

00:45:53.160 himself to bring us the news going into these melees at risk to himself and to dismiss him as

00:45:59.460 Dan sits in his, you know, upper whatever side apartment. It's probably some penthouse given his

00:46:04.580 money and has the nerve to actually judge this guy like you. He knows nothing. Oh, I'm sure like

00:46:10.360 the FBI. Sure. The FBI is totally credible, totally trustworthy on all matters. Just ask any Republican

00:46:15.420 in the nation who the FBI hates. All right. Dan's got more to say and so do I. Another quick,

00:46:20.760 quick break back with Dan. Don't go away.

00:46:23.160 Can you believe what happened this week when it comes to Dianne Feinstein and John Fetterman?

00:46:34.460 I mean, the Democrats do this to themselves, Megan. I mean, they knew the this is not a mystery.

00:46:42.020 They knew Dianne Feinstein was having significant health issues, right? So because Dianne Feinstein's

00:46:47.780 developed a lot of political cachet in a large bank account, I don't mean money. I mean, she's

00:46:52.460 developed a political bank account in terms of favors that have been done and done back.

00:46:57.200 Everybody kind of left her alone, but they knew this was going to be an issue. And then with

00:47:02.220 Fetterman, he has this stroke. And listen, I say, although I haven't gone through some serious

00:47:07.320 health stuff, it shouldn't have to be said, but liberals attribute so many malicious motives to

00:47:12.080 us. I don't wish ill on anybody. But Megan, let's be honest here. This guy is one of 100 members of a

00:47:19.160 voting body split 50 50 who could determine the course of the country economically, foreign policy

00:47:25.920 wise. He could be the swing vote. I'm very sorry this happened to him. But my gosh, brother, you need

00:47:32.760 to step aside. They need to get someone in there who can function. I mean, I'm genuinely concerned.

00:47:39.040 We got a war in Ukraine, the straight heating up with Taiwan and China. You've got North Korea doing

00:47:45.760 nuclear detonations. You've got now former allies in the Middle East inviting the Russians in. Just go

00:47:52.180 look at what the Abraham Accords are going to fall apart if two more years of this guy and you've got

00:47:56.800 a guy in office and a woman who cannot physically function. I mean, this is the kind of thing you

00:48:03.100 think the Democrats, the coexist tolerance crowd would have thought of before. But now we're stuck.

00:48:08.940 They're not going to resign. There's no chance.

00:48:10.840 The John Fetterman clip is alarming. I think the DiFi situation is even worse. I'll show the

00:48:17.440 audience a little bit of what we're talking about. Here's SOT4. By the way, the audience has asked

00:48:22.000 many times, what am I saying when I say SOT? It's short for sound on tape. Sound on tape,

00:48:28.240 which is a deep end term.

00:48:29.260 I know. I do it all the OVO. What's a VO? G will yell sometimes. Sometimes on my podcast,

00:48:34.660 I know you want to play the clip, but sometimes on my podcast, I'll forget it's a VO and I'm sitting

00:48:39.240 there, you know, and I'm not saying anything. And G will be like, VO, you got to talk, bro.

00:48:43.720 There's no sound on this clip.

00:48:45.600 They cannot hear anything.

00:48:47.460 Sorry. SOT.

00:48:49.520 I'll call for the SOT.

00:48:50.360 It is SOT4.

00:48:50.860 Is it staggering? Is it a staggering response of responsibility that the head of a bank could

00:49:00.080 literally, could literally crash our economy? It's astonishing. That's like, if you have,

00:49:06.020 I mean, like, and, and they also realize is that, that, that now they have, it's in a guaranteed,

00:49:13.460 a guaranteed way to be saved by, again, by no matter, by how, you know?

00:49:20.100 So it's, it's, you know, isn't it appropriate that those kinds of, this kind of control should

00:49:26.340 be more stricter to prevent this kind of thing from going? Or should we just go on and start

00:49:33.740 bailing and sailing whoever bank, regardless of how, how there's, their conduct is?

00:49:41.240 Oh my God.

00:49:43.180 You know, Megan.

00:49:45.140 Oh my God. Dan, is it over?

00:49:47.080 You've been on both sides.

00:49:48.120 Is it over?

00:49:48.480 I know it's, it's cringy though. I know. Matter of fact, the guy he's talking to doesn't even

00:49:52.500 understand the question. I feel bad for him, but you having seen both NBC and Fox, you're in a

00:49:58.500 unique position to comment on this. I would make the case to you strongly that the Fetterman story

00:50:03.360 isn't even so much about Fetterman. It's about the media that, that honest journalist, the female,

00:50:08.220 forgive me, I can't remember her name who said, listen, I interviewed this guy and I'm sorry,

00:50:12.380 but he's just not Dasha Burns. It's not right. And just got pilloried by the left. I mean,

00:50:18.520 if that doesn't speak to the Pravda like, and I use my words very carefully, nature of our current

00:50:24.000 media, that wasn't at least willing to tell you just should have said, Hey, she's right. He's

00:50:29.100 troubled, but okay. We like him better than Oz. Oh, fine. You're allowed to vote. It's a free country.

00:50:33.540 You can do whatever you want. If you want to vote for a clearly compromised individual having

00:50:39.420 issues, that's your choice to do that, but don't lie about it. Tell us the truth. And that they

00:50:44.400 attacked that woman. One of the most disgraceful episodes I've seen in modern media. And believe

00:50:49.520 me, those words are doing a lot of work in that sense. And you know what? She, she, they got her

00:50:54.740 in line. It worked Dan. What they do is they try to shame the young ones out of honest reporting.

00:50:59.540 And nine times out of 10, it works because they read the blogs about themselves. They

00:51:03.880 get only, you know, the, the feedback from their bosses that you would hear from others

00:51:07.160 in the media. There's no fair and balanced person above them saying, no, nice job. Um,

00:51:11.280 and so since then, every tweet from this girl is like heart goes out to Fetterman, hashtag

00:51:16.460 brave, hashtag, you know, you go guy. Great for being honest about your mental health. Like

00:51:20.300 it's like, okay, Dasha, we get it. You stepped out of line, you got pilloried and now you're,

00:51:24.680 you're getting back in line, but this is how they do it. I mean, it really is interesting

00:51:27.520 to watch sort of the crafting of a left-wing journalist from somebody who started off pretty

00:51:32.080 fair. And we are seeing it with her. Um, but what's happening with DiFi kind of puts the

00:51:36.800 lie to all of it because they know Fetterman is incapacitated. They know that and they're

00:51:41.340 covering it. They know DiFi is incapacitated and they're starting to go after her. Why?

00:51:45.980 Because it's a, it's a safe seat that they can control this, this go around when they fill

00:51:51.300 it and the next go around, which is what they're worried about with Fetterman on the next

00:51:54.180 go around. Um, and so the wheels are starting to come off the DiFi bus as she returns to

00:51:59.340 the Senate. I mean, utterly incoherent. She has been caught now, um, saying she didn't

00:52:07.040 know she was gone. All right. So she was interviewed by, I guess, slate, uh, Jim Newell. And he

00:52:13.780 writes as follows. I asked her how she was feeling. Oh, I'm feeling fine. I have a problem with

00:52:17.340 a leg. A fellow reporter asked what was wrong with a leg. Well, nothing that's anyone's concern

00:52:21.400 but mine. When the fellow reporter asked what her response was, um, what response had

00:52:26.660 been from her colleagues since she had returned after a few months out, the conversation took

00:52:32.340 an odd turn. No, I haven't been gone. She said, you should follow the, I haven't been

00:52:37.540 gone. I I've been working. When asked whether she meant she'd been working from home, she

00:52:42.240 turned feisty. No, I've been here. I've been voting. Please. You either know, or you don't

00:52:48.260 know after deflecting one final question about those who have called on her to resign. She was

00:52:52.200 wheeled away. This is a continuing the article. It is true. Feinstein has been in Washington and

00:52:57.180 voting for the past week, but it is not true that she has been here in a physical sense for two and a

00:53:05.140 half months. She didn't even know that she wasn't in the Senate. And I'll give you one other thing

00:53:10.620 because this broke just yesterday, uh, from the times, the title is Feinstein suffered more

00:53:15.960 complications from illness than were publicly disclosed. We were, we were told she had shingles

00:53:19.200 Dan, which can be painful, can be unpleasant, but this is what the New York times now reports

00:53:23.740 Ms. Feinstein's frail appearance. I mean, do the eyes, you know, she's got like the one eye

00:53:27.960 doesn't seem to be working at all. Her frail appearance was a result of several complications

00:53:32.620 after she was hospitalized for shingles in February, some of which she has not publicly disclosed.

00:53:38.100 The shingles spread to her face and neck causing vision imbalance impairments and facial

00:53:42.740 paralysis known as known as Ramsey hunt syndrome. The virus also brought on a previously unreported

00:53:49.540 case of encephalitis, a rare, but potentially debilitating, potentially debilitating Dan

00:53:54.560 complication of shingles. According to two people familiar with the Senator's diagnosis,

00:53:59.060 who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe it. So this is another incapacitated Senator.

00:54:03.640 And they're running that story a little differently because they know it's a safer seat. It's not going

00:54:09.320 to be in jeopardy in a few years. It's solidly blue state, unlike Pennsylvania, which still has

00:54:13.120 some purple. Yeah. I mean, you would just have to do a simple principles check here again. So the

00:54:19.380 left, the left's point on Feinstein is what, this is why they can never debate. And I love welcoming

00:54:25.940 them on the show to just humiliate these idiots because they can, you can't debate if you don't

00:54:30.080 have a rigorous set of principle. If your principles change every time, all I've got to do is,

00:54:34.240 all I have to do is ask you the principle and then ask you a different question where you'll change

00:54:38.040 your mind. So when you say to them, okay, about Diane, I'll do it with you right now. Okay.

00:54:42.820 Liberals, a liberal Joey bag of donuts. I get it. You have very serious concerns about the health

00:54:48.120 status of members of the Senate. I do too. We need them. We need them to work. Even if they're

00:54:52.560 not Republicans, we need them to show up. Good. You're very concerned about it. Yes. Extremely

00:54:56.820 concerned. Is that a blue state? Yes, sir. It is. Okay. Should Fetterman resign? No, no,

00:55:03.020 no, definitely not. He should not resign at all. Well, why shouldn't he resign? Oh,

00:55:07.000 wait, wait, wait. That's a swing state that Donald Trump won back in 2016. It's a, you know,

00:55:11.860 it's so easy with them when you just peg them down on simple things. You ask them about, you know,

00:55:17.000 I have to get off to your topic, but you know, oh, we want to hack, uh, take a hike taxes on the

00:55:21.300 rich. Okay, great. Do you voluntarily pay any additional taxes to the government? Why would I

00:55:26.420 do that? Well, why wouldn't you, you're telling me that taxes and it's a form of benevolence and

00:55:31.560 philanthropy, it'll make the world a better place. I don't have to pay charity, but I give money to

00:55:36.100 charity because I think it's going to do good things. So why don't you give more money to the

00:55:39.940 government? Oh, because you don't actually believe that. That's why, because you're full of it.

00:55:43.720 That's why you can never trust these people. This thing with Dianne Feinstein and I'm just a warning

00:55:48.440 to liberals out there too. Other liberals, they will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat when

00:55:54.740 hierarchical power hungry collectivist liberals see you're not politically intact and tactically useful

00:56:00.920 to them anymore. If you think you're safe, you are insane. They would throw Obama under the bus

00:56:06.640 tomorrow. Who is that? They worship him like the golden calf in the Bible. They love Obama.

00:56:11.400 They would throw him under the bus tomorrow. If it would benefit the continuance of power

00:56:16.920 that that's, that's just a fact conservatives. Well, we got updated. They don't generally do that

00:56:22.420 conservatives. You know, we have a set of principles and if you align by them, we'll stick

00:56:25.880 through you thick and thin, not libs. They'll throw you overboard in a heartbeat. What about

00:56:30.920 George Soros? Not George Soros, George, um, the liar, uh, Santos, thank you. Well, the liar could

00:56:38.960 actually kind of cover it. It's not really helping George, right? He's a hot mess, Dan. I really think

00:56:47.500 I know that the Republicans need to see, but that guy's got to go. He's an embarrassment. What do you

00:56:51.480 think of him? I don't think he should resign, uh, right now. And I'll tell you why, because as I

00:56:57.180 said to you before, I'm not a journalist, I'm an activist. Okay. But I do have principles. My

00:57:02.280 principles are he won the seat clearly was good enough to get in there. Maybe mistaken, lied about

00:57:07.740 some stuff. The guy's clearly an Epic level fraud. He's Walter Mitty. He's the modern day Walter. The

00:57:12.400 guy's got more stories than Teddy Ruxpin. You stick a quarter in his back. He'll tell you I was GI Joe back

00:57:17.500 in the 80s. He's an embarrassment. I said on my show, and I will say again, Santos, do not run. Please

00:57:24.480 do not run. You don't belong in the Congress. He is not a good guy. However, when Joe Biden resigns

00:57:31.180 for telling everyone he was raised in the Puerto Rican community, the Jewish community, the black

00:57:35.660 community, was arrested to see Nelson Mandela, is a trucker, finished at the top of his class, was the

00:57:40.360 outstanding student. When he's done with his lies and he resigns, then George Santos resigns. Other than

00:57:47.120 that, I don't want to hear Jack shit and Jack left town about George Santos resigning until the

00:57:53.880 biggest fraud liar in the history of us politics. One Joseph R Biden resigns when he resigns. I'll

00:58:01.320 come back on your show and demand Santos resigns, but he definitely shouldn't run again. He's not a

00:58:05.820 good dude. Yeah, it's a good point. All right. So you raise Joe Biden and that brings me to 2024

00:58:10.780 and presidential politics, which I'm dying to discuss with you. So, um, Donald Trump came on your show

00:58:15.820 this week and we'll get to, uh, what, what you guys talked about the Durham report and so on.

00:58:20.400 Oh, that's so juicy. I just, I feel like it's so outrageous and it's being totally ignored, but

00:58:24.500 let's talk politics first, because now we understand that DeSantis is probably getting in this race next

00:58:30.120 week. Originally it was going to be exploratory committee. Then he changed that. It's like,

00:58:34.080 come on, I hate the exploratory committee period of this whole nonsense. Right. Yeah. I know we all know

00:58:38.580 what you're doing. It's just such a, like a certain male gesture comes to mind, but in any event,

00:58:42.420 he's going to actually just come out there and announce it. He's going to own it. And, um, it's

00:58:47.480 on, you know, to me, it's exciting as like somebody who gets to cover this stuff. I'm excited to see

00:58:51.180 it start going in earnest. Um, and it's still very tricky, very, very tricky for him. He was desperate

00:58:56.980 to get that, you know, Trump base and they only have eyes for one man. And he, you can see him

00:59:03.740 struggling with how to rest them away from him. And to me, it keeps coming back to the Bill Mark

00:59:08.660 statement of why would they go to see the cover band when they could still see the original right

00:59:14.880 there? Like the original's there. Yeah. You, you, you can't, you can't, I mean, you, you're not

00:59:21.420 listen, I live in Florida, so I have a really not obviously not unique for 20 million people,

00:59:27.180 but I'm, I'm probably the, well, Shapiro's down here too, but I get both sides. Ron DeSantis

00:59:33.680 is hands down the best governor I've ever seen in my lifetime. Anyway, I've lived in

00:59:38.900 Maryland, New York, Georgia. I've been all over. There's never, I've never seen a guy

00:59:43.940 come in and change a state so rapidly. I've been down here eight years. When I first came

00:59:48.980 down here, this was make no mistake was absolutely a swing, if not swinging blue state. That's

00:59:56.080 over. The state is now, I mean, nothing's permanent, but for now and in the distant, not too distant

01:00:01.200 future is in the red column, right? That a lot of that is due to DeSantis and Trump.

01:00:06.580 So getting that out of the way, cause I'm not one of these guys in the radio has to,

01:00:09.740 this stuff on Twitter with pro DeSantis and pro Trump people. It's, I had to mute like a hundred

01:00:14.840 people. I can't take it. I'm not really interested. I think primaries are a good thing. I've been in

01:00:19.900 them. Um, I think they keep, uh, candidates frosty. I mean, I've got the evidence, right? I mean,

01:00:24.680 remember, uh, president John McCain. No, you don't. That's right. Cause Bush was in a camp

01:00:28.640 in a primary with him in one. You remember president Hillary Clinton. Oh, that's right.

01:00:32.160 You don't remember her either. Cause Barack Obama was in a feisty primary in one. Uh,

01:00:36.000 remember president Marco. Oh, you don't remember that either. Cause Trump was in a primary in one.

01:00:39.860 So a primary is a good thing. I I'm not getting into the back and forth with them because I love

01:00:43.980 both guys. I support president Trump. I have, and I've got good reasons for it. I met the guy.

01:00:49.760 I know the guy differently. I'm not name dropping. I don't give a damn money. I don't need to do that.

01:00:53.040 What do I need to name drop for? Who cares? I got my own show. I'm just telling you,

01:00:56.200 the guy is ferociously loyal. And, and that doesn't matter what I, cause I don't want to

01:01:01.660 date the guy. I want to conservative. A lot of people out there. I think he's Ron DeSantis has

01:01:06.520 an amazing political career. Amazing. And I'll tell you right now, it wasn't for president Trump.

01:01:11.220 I would be donating to the guy and knocking on doors for him. I just think it's Trump's time now.

01:01:16.840 And I'll tell you why other flaws. Did you think, I mean, everybody gets that he gets it himself.

01:01:24.080 Right. But here's the thing. I've been with this guy. I've been with dinners with him. I've been in

01:01:29.180 the oval office with him over and over. He is a deal maker, man. And he gets it. And I mean this

01:01:35.040 in a material, tangible sense, not some kind of other worldly nons. Oh, he's a deal maker. No,

01:01:40.860 no, no. Forget it. When someone gets in his ear and says to him, and some people take this as a

01:01:45.740 downside. I don't. Cause I'm sick of being lied to by people who win the presidency and then do Jack.

01:01:51.240 Okay. When, when they whisper in his ear and go, Hey, Mr. President, the conservatives got you

01:01:56.340 elected. They want you to show up at the pro-life rally. Here's what he doesn't do. Uh, can we take

01:02:01.780 a poll on that? No doubt the man loves polls, but if the right people are in his ear, he will do

01:02:07.840 conservative stuff. And he doesn't listen to anybody. If you tell them otherwise, and he takes

01:02:13.240 advice from some people who have somewhere, but most of the people he takes advice from guide him in the

01:02:18.460 right direction. I'll give you one quick example of what I mean. Why is it we've had Republican

01:02:22.600 presidents, Bush, Reagan, all of them. We never had the Abraham Accords. Why? I'll tell you why.

01:02:27.360 I'll answer the question. I've traveled all over the middle East in my prior line of work.

01:02:30.700 We were told for decades by idiots in DC who weren't outsiders like Trump. You're never going to get

01:02:36.340 peace without a deal with the Palestinians. Don't even bother. John Kerry's on tape saying,

01:02:40.960 totally forget about it. Don't even, you can look it up. You guys can watch it yourself,

01:02:44.700 right? Don't do it. Trump came into office and said, why not? Well, because it can't happen.

01:02:49.320 Well, why not? Well, because everybody says it can't happen. Yeah, well, I don't really give a

01:02:53.340 damn, but I'm just going to go cut a deal myself. And he did it. He was told the same thing about

01:02:58.080 tax cuts. Ah, you're never going to get that. Reconciliate too much of a pain in the ass.

01:03:02.040 Let's focus on other stuff. The economy grew at 3% for the first time in eight years. Listen,

01:03:06.780 is the guy a doctrinaire conservative? Megan, you've interviewed him. You know, he's not.

01:03:11.140 Is he sitting there, you know, reading, uh, you know, old, old books by, uh, you know,

01:03:17.000 national review writers back in the eighties. No, he's not doing that. But the guy is always

01:03:22.580 looking to cut a deal and he's good at it. And I think he deserves another four years.

01:03:27.760 The guy got screwed. Yeah. But I, and I'll tell you something I've told him personally,

01:03:31.660 and he knows that I'm not sharing anything at a, at a turn. We got to get ahold of the tweets.

01:03:37.300 And it's like, it's distracting. And the story I told his team, and I'll tell you is it's, it's,

01:03:42.820 it's not that I'm, I personally mind it. I don't care. As you can tell, I just say what the hell

01:03:47.500 I want. So I don't really give a damn. Doesn't bother me at all. The problem is I got to defend

01:03:53.020 this stuff. So that you were at Fox. I was at Fox before I was a show host. I was a contributor.

01:03:59.140 So you're going on, Megan. And so let's say the Trump tax cuts pass and they're like, Hey Dan,

01:04:03.060 and it's a Cavuto, whatever. Can you come on and talk about the Trump tax cuts? Yeah, cool. That's

01:04:07.840 great. Total policy win. And then a tweet goes out about something like whatever Kanye. And you're

01:04:15.420 like, Oh, Hey Dan, a different topic, Kanye. So I would tell him, I'm like, Mr. President,

01:04:20.900 but we it's the, it's not that it's hurting you. Not me. I'll go on to talk about whatever. I don't

01:04:26.840 care. I don't know anybody, anything, but you're distracting from your agenda. So that's the kind

01:04:32.720 of the downside, but having said that, that we have, we had a more conservative four years. I

01:04:39.780 can't now, not with Bush, we got Medicare part D and all this other crap. I mean, this is the

01:04:45.240 first guy to show up and actually do stuff. So, and the regulatory reform and all that. And you

01:04:50.620 know what I like about the next four years, people say as a downside, Oh, he's not going to be running

01:04:54.740 for reelection. Great. Great. You've got DeSantis on the bench and a bunch of other ringers.

01:05:01.000 And then you got a guy who doesn't have to worry about reelection. We clean the entire federal

01:05:06.180 governor. I told this guy, I said it to his face and on my show the other day, fire everyone. If

01:05:12.080 you have not pledged allegiance to the constitution, I don't care if you're a Democrat Republican, I don't

01:05:15.900 care about your politics. I was an agent with Democrats who did a great job. If you cannot do

01:05:20.220 that and your right hand goes up, I pledge allegiance to the Democrat party or any party,

01:05:24.480 get them out of the government right now. Fire everyone, fire their dogs, fire their kids,

01:05:30.060 fire their kids, kids in your will. Make sure you leave to Don Trump Jr. The will to run for

01:05:36.680 and fire their kids, kids later. And you send a message and we'll clean this mess up. But I

01:05:41.680 think it deserves another shot. A Trump DeSantis ticket would be so interesting for Republicans

01:05:47.280 because yes, it's Trump. So even the never Trumpers would, well, not the never Trumpers,

01:05:51.600 they're Democrats now, but the national review type Republicans who are real Republicans,

01:05:56.240 but don't like Trump, they'd be interested in that. They'd certainly vote for that over a Joe

01:06:00.560 Biden ticket. And then you're setting the other guy who you love up for a term, you know, in the

01:06:05.580 not too distant future. Um, you know, yes, it's two white guys, but Republicans don't care about

01:06:10.660 that. Um, so that could be very interesting. And we'll see whether DeSantis is, I think Trump is

01:06:15.800 open to it. I don't know about DeSantis. I'd be shocked. Yeah. I'd be shocked. I don't think

01:06:21.280 it's on the, on the Trump end. Um, I don't, uh, you know, I just likes him too much. I don't.

01:06:27.480 Yeah. I just think that, well, no, and here's the thing about Trump. Like I told you before,

01:06:31.660 he's a deal maker. The one thing about Trump, and I think, you know, this too, you know,

01:06:35.980 I'm in a different way in the audience. Kind of like, I know the thing about Trump is,

01:06:39.260 you know, for five or six years, you can go on Twitter and call Trump the worst names possible.

01:06:45.200 And the minute you say something nice about it, it's right. He will forgive you. It's the,

01:06:51.420 everybody thinks he's like this asshole who calls grudges, but trust me, he does not. He is a deal

01:06:57.580 maker. He had dinner with Mitt Romney was considering him for secretary of state after Romney

01:07:02.680 just pilloried this guy. Look what Ted Cruz said about him.

01:07:06.020 Right. They hated each other, hated each other. And what happened? He, Trump is not like that.

01:07:12.760 People don't understand. They think of him as this like out of control, blood dripping us from his

01:07:18.060 fangs, nuts, uh, nut job. You should have said nut job. You might say he has blood coming out of his

01:07:25.900 wherever. Yeah. He's not right. Yeah. I watched that in the movie. That was great. That, that's

01:07:31.200 Charlize Theron, by the way, totally nailed it. If you listen to that with the, with the

01:07:36.000 TV off and just the sound of the speakers, you're like, Holy Moses, that's Megan Kelly.

01:07:40.740 Oh, see, this is where Doug would step in and say you're wrong. Doug was like, he,

01:07:43.640 she looks a little like you, but she doesn't sound like you at all.

01:07:46.880 It was a little bit baritone maybe.

01:07:50.000 She kept doing, she, she sounded a little Elizabeth Holmesy. You know what I mean? You

01:07:53.480 could tell she was trying to go down here.

01:07:54.640 I don't want to get off the topic, but they did the debate thing. They did the debate. I watched

01:07:59.900 that movie probably five or six times. The movie, if you work at Fox is a thousand times more

01:08:05.200 interesting because like the stuff makes sense. You know what I'm saying? Like you see the players,

01:08:10.760 like there's Diana and Irina and you're like, you know, these people and you're like, and the judge

01:08:16.320 Janine actress who looked nothing like judge Janine by the way at all. But when you're watching this

01:08:21.440 movie, right. And you're thinking to yourself like, Oh, Moses, that really happened. You're

01:08:27.280 watching this at home. I'm like hijacking your show. I'm not supposed to be asking. Are you like,

01:08:30.940 wow, this was a major deal because this was like, had the whole world's attention.

01:08:36.960 It was crazy. I mean, I, I, I hate the term, but I use it. It was somewhat triggering,

01:08:41.100 you know, it just brought on because it wasn't just about battling with Trump, which with whom I

01:08:45.240 wanted no battle. I just wanted to ask him that tough question. And like, I asked everybody up

01:08:49.540 there, tough questions and move on. Like to me, it wasn't a new thing. I'd been anchoring primary

01:08:52.960 debates for a while, just didn't expect it to be so explosive, right? He just, he, he made it so

01:08:58.480 explosive, but it caused so many problems in my life. And with my colleagues, it blew up my work

01:09:03.580 life. You know, it was just traumatic because people inside the building were mad and Roger was mad.

01:09:09.380 And it was just, it set off like a course of events, but I'll tell you the most emotional moment for me

01:09:14.560 and the whole thing, Dan, I remember I was in, um, New Jersey where we spend the summers on shore

01:09:19.440 and I had nothing to do with the movie. Right. So I, I didn't know anything. I never read a script.

01:09:23.460 They'd never consulted with me on what was going to go in there or whatever. Um, and up on my phone,

01:09:29.200 it was like one text and then about 40 others came and it was the trailer. And remember it had

01:09:35.780 that creepy music. Boom. Yes. Yes. It was like a Halloween movie or something. It was creepy,

01:09:41.520 but it was also good. It was a kind of compelling, but anyway, there I am. That's me. And I'm in the

01:09:46.640 elevator with, you know, the, the person's supposed to be Gretchen Carlson and this other composite

01:09:50.900 character on going up to the second floor, which actually happened with me. I mean, a million times

01:09:56.600 I went to Roger's office. We were actually very close, notwithstanding all the weirdness between us.

01:10:01.660 And it, it just was so jarring because there it's me, but it's not me. And they're putting me back in this

01:10:09.080 position that actually more than once was very unsteady for me, you know, going in there and

01:10:16.380 you know, what's going to happen. You know, he's going to put back on the table, you know,

01:10:20.980 the, the clear implication, like sleep with me and your career is going to go much better.

01:10:25.220 And you don't want those to be the stakes for which you're playing at all. You know,

01:10:28.420 when it happened to me, my career was on the rise. I was doing well. I was covering the Duke

01:10:31.980 lacrosse case really well. I was getting on Hannity every night. It was amazing. I was like,

01:10:36.280 I'm doing this. I am making it. And then, and he saw that too. And then suddenly he just switched

01:10:41.460 the whole like stakes. You just switch the terms, you know, like, no, the way you're going to get

01:10:46.460 it, you know, ahead is if you sleep with me. And then he told me about a very well news anchor who

01:10:52.460 I, a well-known news anchor who knew I loved. And he was like, she was smart. She slept with her boss.

01:10:57.980 That's how she got to the top. All these things. I mean, it's all been well-documented. So anyway,

01:11:01.340 that's a long winded way of saying the trailer was the thing that threw me more than anything.

01:11:06.380 And it's got, it's got to be that whole thing had to be kind of horrifying. Cause you know,

01:11:09.680 like real, you've probably heard it before real estate on Fox is hard to come by. And when you're

01:11:14.600 working at Fox to get a show is a big deal, you know, and for me, you just, you know,

01:11:18.940 walked away from it. I wasn't naive to that fact. I mean, I'll never forget interviewing early on

01:11:24.100 with Suzanne and Jay, the CEO and the news division head. And they were, they were cool with me.

01:11:28.620 This is, I don't know, it was like eight years ago or something like that.

01:11:31.340 And I just went in there with a pair of like moose balls. And I was like, Hey,

01:11:34.620 I want to show. They looked at me like, what do you want? Crack? It was funny,

01:11:38.600 but they were cool about it. But I remember she kind of looked at Jay, like, did he just say that?

01:11:43.060 And I, she was so diplomatic, Suzanne. She's like, um, there's really not a lot of real estate.

01:11:48.420 That was me. I just walked right in there. And I'm like, I think I want to create some

01:11:52.000 Megan. I had like 10,000 downloads on my podcast. That was it. It was like a mid-level show at best

01:11:59.340 that I'm just telling him I want to show on Fox. My wife's like, how did it go? I'm like,

01:12:03.340 I don't think too well. I told him I wanted to show. And they looked at me like I was smoking

01:12:07.520 a crack pipe before I came in, but I did it. I would have never did it. And that's,

01:12:12.300 that's how I feel that this has worked for me my whole life. When I, uh, when I started filling

01:12:17.280 it for Hannity on the radio, my biggest break ever, I had done one radio guest host job at a local

01:12:22.440 station in Baltimore, WCBM. And it was horrible. I knew nothing about radio at all. I just went in there

01:12:27.140 and riffs for three hours on a morning show. I call up Linda, his producer one day. I'm listening

01:12:31.880 to Neil Bortz, guest host on the radio in my basement lifting weights. It's like 12 years ago.

01:12:37.200 I said, Linda, uh, can I guest host for Sean? My wife's like, are you crazy? You can't ask that.

01:12:43.080 This guy's got 700 radio stations. She's like, uh, can you come up next Thursday? I'm like,

01:12:48.780 this life is great. Ask nothing, get nothing. Right. So, I mean, I reached out to you. Did I not?

01:12:55.140 I reached out on Twitter. I said, Megan Kelly, I'd like to come on your show. I think you're

01:12:59.960 great. I want to do my first interview. And here we are. Oh, you know what? But you got it. Like

01:13:05.020 in order to make it in competitive businesses, you've got to find a way of asking for what you

01:13:09.020 want. You know, for me and Roger was actually just going back to that whole thing. He was,

01:13:14.940 he was giving me opportunities like, and I was taking them and doing the most with them. So that was

01:13:20.500 like, there is this moment where, you know, you get like the switch in your head where,

01:13:24.640 and I, you know, me, Dan, I'm not a feminist. I'm not one of these, like that patriarchy

01:13:27.880 fucking sucks. That's not at all what I'm talking about. Just like talking about that moment where

01:13:32.340 you think you're getting ahead, you think you're doing well. And like your elbow grease is earning

01:13:35.680 you kudos. And then like the switch flips where you're like, oh wait, this guy just wants to sleep

01:13:40.340 with me. Shit. Fuck. That's, that's how it is. Like, God damn. And then you try to navigate

01:13:48.260 through it and get back on path. You're so talented. Like your friends have that old,

01:13:53.540 you know, the je ne sais quoi, right? If we knew what it was, we would bottle it and sell it.

01:13:57.500 But you're, you're right. Like when you're in that business, you feel the big, the big Mo is a

01:14:02.400 thing in politic momentum. It's real. You can feel it. I mean, yeah, you can't touch it, but you know,

01:14:06.580 momentum when you see it, it happened after the Twinkies, Alvin Bragg, you know, arrested Trump or

01:14:11.940 tried to the momentum. You can feel like the campaign just changed altogether, but it's the same way in

01:14:17.440 the news business. You're, you're not something to your something. And then you're something and

01:14:21.800 like something just happened. It's not Twitter tweeting about you more. It's not an article.

01:14:26.100 It's just this thing you feel. And then to have someone like, right. And, and right, exactly.

01:14:32.400 And then to have someone like, try to just rip it from you or, or even worse, make you question

01:14:38.640 yourself where you're like, wait, did that happen because of this? Or because that's gotta be the

01:14:43.660 worst part, you know, because you're like, wait, I knew everybody knew you were like the

01:14:48.240 next thing. Everyone could feel it. It's like with Tucker, he was doing Fox and friends weekend.

01:14:52.900 Right. And then all of a sudden he's doing what? Like the seven o'clock show. And then

01:14:56.940 like the nine o'clock show. And then he's doing 4 million people a night at eight after O'Reilly

01:15:01.760 leaves. Like everybody just knew it, but to have someone question that. And the worst part is to get

01:15:07.000 you in your head thinking, is that what it was? But when you're in case, everybody knew you were,

01:15:12.020 I mean, everybody knew you were talented. Nobody in Fox ever questioned that. If whether,

01:15:16.420 you know, friend or foe, everybody knew you were the real deal.

01:15:20.300 Well, well, thank you. I mean, it was a very tricky situation where you got it, like,

01:15:24.080 got to get the plane back on course where it's like, wait, we're not going to go there,

01:15:27.280 but we are going to judge each other on, you know, our performance. And we did, we met,

01:15:30.560 we managed it. We got through it and, you know, we had a great relationship until

01:15:33.240 you're a tough interview.

01:15:35.580 Yeah.

01:15:36.100 You know, I want everybody to watch the video of me interviewing with Megan, because I was kind of

01:15:40.440 like a new Jack back then. And she was Megan Kelly, like rocking it at nine o'clock. And I come

01:15:44.680 on, you know, I'm still a little timid up at Fox right now. So yeah, this is the story on my show

01:15:51.820 the other day. So everybody knows it. And it's about my book, my first book. So I tell your

01:15:57.160 producers, I'm like, just do me a favor. Just don't ask any questions about Obama personally,

01:16:02.200 because back then I just didn't want to get into it. And the first question is like,

01:16:06.860 Hey, how's Obama person? And I'm like, you got to go back folks and watch the, it's on like,

01:16:11.360 uh, I think it's on rumble or screw tube somewhere. Go watch it. And you'll see after that question,

01:16:16.600 I'm like a deer in headlights because I'm so, I, this wasn't your fault. I'm sure they didn't tell

01:16:22.020 you, but no, I wouldn't have done it. I know you wouldn't. I know you would not. I know when you

01:16:26.480 like, I know you wouldn't have done it, but the whole train ride home. Cause I took the train up for

01:16:30.700 you. That's how much I never take the train up for Maryland. I always do remotes. I'm like Megan Kelly.

01:16:35.400 I'm getting my ass up there. And the first question, how's Obama or some question like that

01:16:40.640 and watch the rest of the interview. You know, me now, like I'm never a deer in headlights.

01:16:44.780 It's the only interview I ever did that I just sucked so bad because I was so caught off guard.

01:16:51.560 So now you see the whole thing. This is the, one of the best interviews I've ever done with you.

01:16:56.520 So this is so fun. It's so fun talking to you. Yes. No, it generally is certainly on somebody like

01:17:02.040 you were saying something like that. I would definitely, I would always accede to your wishes.

01:17:05.040 It's only when the politicians say, I don't want to talk about this. Right. And I say, Oh no,

01:17:08.940 we, we don't make any problems. If that's the way you operate, don't come on. Cause it's no

01:17:13.220 hold. All right. Stand by one more break and back with Dan Bongino. I'm having a great time. I hope

01:17:18.160 the audience is too. Well, after looking at the report and after seeing, and don't forget,

01:17:26.260 I did a house. I fired a lot of people, but the deep state goes deep. Hey, firing told me was that,

01:17:32.160 you know, that was, and I fired him very early. You know, a lot of people said, why did you wait

01:17:35.560 so long? He was fired very, very early. And, uh, it was a great firing. I'm telling you,

01:17:41.420 uh, they were looking to do real bad. This was, this was a coup that they were looking at. These

01:17:46.980 are sick people. And that was former president Trump on the Dan Bongino show. My guest today is Dan

01:17:53.200 Bongino. So Dan Trump came on your show to talk about the Durham report, which is being

01:17:58.080 almost universally ignored. It's a true travesty that it's being ignored and it's genuinely

01:18:03.900 infuriating, you know, to me as a news woman, um, who I openly admit I'm more right leaning and

01:18:11.200 more likely to support any Republican than I am Joe Biden. Um, I still can cover Trump fairly. I can

01:18:17.500 see what his flaws are. I can do it, but this is absolutely disgusting. And I have to say,

01:18:21.000 I know Trump's prone to rhetoric, but that word coup is applicable. It actually is applicable.

01:18:28.420 He didn't say violent coup. Yeah. He said coup, which is an unauthorized, illegal, illicit

01:18:33.360 overthrow of a governing body. How, how does that not apply? Tautologically applies. I mean,

01:18:38.100 again, the lefties, I disregarded it. You know, they, they threw that out. I saw media, I, you know,

01:18:42.380 left-wing organization go after him for that. But you know, you say it from a journalist perspective,

01:18:47.280 uh, and I, I believe you, you know, that this does matter to you. I absolutely believe you,

01:18:52.520 but think about it from my perspective for a moment. So, you know, you're a young secret

01:18:56.600 service agent, right? On the Obama detail, who's, you know, daughter's crying at the door at,

01:19:02.220 you know, nine years old because you're on your 300th trip to whatever in the last two years,

01:19:07.120 you haven't been home in weeks. Um, and you have to hide the suitcase in the garage. So your daughter

01:19:12.480 doesn't see the cab and the suitcase going out. Um, and you've done that for a Democrat,

01:19:17.060 not only a Democrat president, but a Democrat president, you're absolutely convinced really

01:19:22.020 hates the constitutional Republic as it's constructed. But not only do you do your job,

01:19:27.100 you do it well because it matters. And I swore an oath and we're not some third world Republic.

01:19:32.380 And then as the thing about the secret services, we have two jobs where, you know, protection agents,

01:19:37.120 but we're also federal investigators. I have never once in my life, went to my boss and said,

01:19:42.680 Hey, we should or shouldn't arrest this guy. Cause he's a Democrat or a Republican.

01:19:46.680 So we're doing all this. And then I'm reading this report. And I think the most damning piece

01:19:52.180 of the report, Margo Cleveland wrote about this in the federalist the other day,

01:19:56.340 Margo Cleveland wrote the most damning part is the fact that Durham says, we don't need new rules.

01:20:02.080 We don't need new rules. We need the FBI to act with integrity. That's a short,

01:20:06.160 think about what he's saying. You have the most powerful federal law enforcement body,

01:20:11.760 practically anywhere in the world with a commission book, a badge and a gun to take your

01:20:16.240 life, your freedom and your property. And a special prosecutor with no dog in the fight,

01:20:20.920 who no one's questioned as bona fides before is saying they've got an integrity problem.

01:20:26.800 What the, what, what are we North Korea? Like that is unbelievable that he put that in the

01:20:33.480 report. He must really believe that. So, you know, I'm a solutions oriented guy. That's why

01:20:38.980 I asked the president that question, because Megan, you're, you use logic and reason and journalism.

01:20:44.080 I use it in law enforcement and in contents, content production space. Now, if you're telling

01:20:49.560 me integrity is an issue issue, integrity comes from people or the lack thereof. You're telling me

01:20:54.800 you have a personnel HR problem, correct? Which means you correct it by getting rid of the

01:20:59.500 human resources and replacing them with other humans. So that's why I asked him that because

01:21:05.120 you're never going to fix that problem. I mean, I'll tell you just, just, can I just quick story?

01:21:09.780 I told my radio show today. Here's why rules don't matter. Okay. You're a lawyer. You'll understand

01:21:14.440 this better than anyone. When I first got in the secret service in training, we were told when you're

01:21:18.400 doing a site, a protection thing, there's a protest zone. The protesters got to stay in that zone.

01:21:24.100 Megan, this went on for decades. We trained agents to do this. Finally, some very smart citizens,

01:21:29.360 said, wait, just because I got a paper sign, why can't I walk over there? No, no, that's not a

01:21:35.580 protest zone. Yeah, but, but he can. And he sued. And the judge was like, what are you guys crazy?

01:21:42.240 There's no protest. America's a protest zone. And we lost to the secret services credit. The next day,

01:21:48.360 an email went out to the entire service. You will, there will be absolutely no protest zones. They sent

01:21:54.500 supervisors out to be sure because, and because they had integrity and they said, we screwed up.

01:21:59.340 I don't know why we were teaching this. It was just ridiculous. And they fixed it. But that's

01:22:03.980 what good people do. You're telling me the FBI needed to be told, Hey, um, we got an allegation

01:22:10.420 from Russia about a PP tape or something. Has anyone seen it now? Does anyone have a hotel

01:22:16.320 receipt? Nope. Do we have a witness? No. And, and the response was let's spy on the president

01:22:23.080 of the camp and that's reasonable. And you're telling me a new rule. You need a rule for that.

01:22:27.720 Just to be clear, the rule is what, if you can't produce the actual PP tape, you needed

01:22:33.740 a rule for that. You got to clean out the FBI. And I'm glad the president, at least on the

01:22:39.080 show, and I have no reason to disbelieve him, said he was going to, were you at Fox with

01:22:43.040 the Comey firing? I'm not sure the timeline was.

01:22:46.360 I was. Yeah. Megan, I still believed in Comey story. I still, when they fired him, when he

01:22:52.520 fired him, I still believed in the whole, you know, Comey Mueller brothership. These

01:22:57.420 are noble public servants. I was still in the Fox FBI is good frame of mind. You remember

01:23:01.960 when we used to be in that? No, no, no, no. I remember being like, Oh, you know, I think

01:23:06.560 he's a good man, but I had questions about how he was handling Trump. I could see it was

01:23:10.240 irregular and he seemed like an egomaniac, but I thought, no, he's nobly served the country,

01:23:14.120 you know, defer to him wrong, wrong, wrong. Yeah. Well, that's, that's very noble of you

01:23:20.360 to say that most people just try to cover up there. So I don't, I screwed up a lot of things

01:23:25.120 I say on the show all the time. You know, I'm a sinner, man. I am. I'm like Charles Barkley

01:23:31.000 back when the right guard commercial or whatever, like I'm not your, don't look to me for some

01:23:35.260 moral code, man. You'll see me out in the Stewart's sandbar with tequila on Saturday, like

01:23:40.020 partying with the, I'm not your moral guide. I'm not. I tore it up at the Morgan

01:23:43.900 Wallen concert last week. I'm not you, but I do believe in this country and I love this

01:23:48.160 place. And I admit when I make mistakes and yeah, I'm going to be straight. That was a

01:23:53.040 huge mistake. I mean, I had the same feeling about Mueller. I'm like, all right, if they're

01:23:57.360 going to appoint someone, former Marine, like nobody really thought Mueller was a bad guy,

01:24:02.020 but Megan, I'm really sorry. The guy was a bad guy with all due respect to his service.

01:24:06.360 He knew from the start that this, they had no evidence. Durham's made that crystal clear.

01:24:11.600 Read the report. There was not any evidence in their holding any, not a little bit. And he did

01:24:18.500 it anyway. And he just dragged the country to three years of hell. And I don't believe history is going

01:24:24.220 to be kind to Mueller. I know liberals write the history books, but you know what? Here's the thing

01:24:28.780 about that. Liberals write the history books in New York. I'm a New Yorker. And after a while,

01:24:33.580 even the liberals had admit that David Dinkins was an awful mayor. 3000 people were being killed a year

01:24:38.740 in the crack wars. They eventually had to come around and go, all right, Giuliani might've been

01:24:42.980 crazy, but he was better than that guy. I don't think history is going to be kind to Mueller,

01:24:47.560 Comey or Brennan. Comey's about to go out on another book tour too. So we're going to have to

01:24:51.420 see a whole other round of that nonsense, although it could be fun to cover it, you know, in our jobs.

01:24:57.160 Let me, let me shift gears because you made a reference to it and I'm really wanting to talk to you

01:25:01.600 about your health. So right around the time I launched this show, September, 2020 is when I

01:25:08.180 remember this happening. It was right out. I remember we were still just doing audio,

01:25:11.180 no video on the show. And I, I couldn't believe you seemed genuinely scared and I was scared for you

01:25:18.880 and you got this bad diagnosis and it was very alarming. So tell us what happened and where you

01:25:25.560 are now. Well, listen, I'm going to try not to get, I'm a real big wuss when it comes to this.

01:25:30.980 So I'm going to do my best. There's only two things I can't talk about, which are this and

01:25:34.180 my mother-in-law. Cause I get choked up now that I can't talk about, I have no problem talking about

01:25:37.620 it. I'm, it's hard for me because I, you know, my entire life I have committed to doing the right

01:25:45.060 thing by the, by the bodies of temple, man. God gives you one of them. Don't disrespect it. You know,

01:25:49.600 I, you know, I party a lot now I'll drink some during the weekends, but never done drugs.

01:25:54.740 Definitely never done any like hard drugs or anything like that. I haven't even thought

01:25:58.600 about it. Uh, you know, I can lecture my kids with a pure heart on that kind of stuff,

01:26:03.120 workout religiously, six days a week, cold plunges sauna. I mean, you know, I got this

01:26:08.020 aura ring on it because, Oh, why do you wear your wedding ring on the wrong hand sometimes?

01:26:11.340 Cause it's not a wedding ring. It's a bio sensor ring. Like I'm obsessed with health. And then I'm

01:26:16.580 grappling one day and my grappling coach, a jujitsu guy, we did some private lessons. Cause I got tired

01:26:21.440 of, you know, the young kids trying to like beat up the Fox guy. So we're downstairs. He chokes me

01:26:25.860 out pretty good. So, I mean, really good. Like I'm out like stars, you know, I'm like, Whoa,

01:26:30.500 what just happened? So the next day I wake up and I'm getting ready to do Fox and friends. It's like

01:26:34.840 eight o'clock in the morning, whatever. And I'm shaving about seven o'clock. You know, when you shave

01:26:39.180 your face, you turn your head and I'm like, what the hell is that lump on my neck? That's kind of weird.

01:26:44.280 I started going back to Instagram and I'm like, gosh, that's been there for a long time.

01:26:47.480 So I never go to doctors. I'm like, ah, no big deal. It's probably a fatty tumor. I got tons of

01:26:51.560 them, but I decide maybe I'll go to, you know, when you, when you're on Fox, like everybody wants

01:26:55.540 to help you out, which, you know, so you never have to wait for doctors anymore, which is one of

01:26:59.080 the cool things about notoriety, you know, for every one person that drives you crazy in public,

01:27:03.480 50 people want to help you. So I go to this local doctor's guy, Steve, he's the head and neck

01:27:07.320 surgeon. I said, Hey man, I got to pop in. Can you just, you know, feel this thing? Tell me what it is.

01:27:11.220 He's like, amigo, I think we got a problem, but I'm not sure. So I'm not worried about it. I think

01:27:18.560 it's a fatty to me. He goes, I'm going to get you in the Cleveland clinic right away tomorrow.

01:27:22.480 COVID's going on. So remember you, nothing's open. He's I'm going to get you in there tomorrow

01:27:25.640 and you're going to get an MRI. So the MRI, the oncologist, the radiation oncologist is a Fox guy

01:27:31.400 too. This guy, Todd, he's like, I don't even worry. I don't have to read it. I'll go there in

01:27:35.160 live time. I'm like, okay, great. Meets me there. I go in the machine, you know, they roll you in the MRI

01:27:40.580 big sound. You know, I'm in there 20 minutes, whatever. I come out and my head's in a cage

01:27:45.500 because it can't move because they're looking at my neck. And I look up at Todd and, uh, I said to

01:27:51.620 him, this is where I get all termed up. I, I, I, every time, because it's just such a, like a

01:27:56.280 life-changing moment. I say to him, I said, uh, doc is a fatty tumor. Right. And he says, uh, you need

01:28:02.320 to get dressed and come inside. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what do you mean? So I go inside and

01:28:09.500 there's a little room and he's reading it live. So I don't have to wait, you know, and he's like

01:28:13.540 a fatty tumor would be gray or white. He says, that's your neck. And I said, well, that's pitch

01:28:19.660 black. And he's like, yeah, it is. I said, what is that? He said, I don't know what it is. I can tell

01:28:26.520 you what it isn't. It isn't a fatty tumor. And, uh, I just, I don't know, man, I just lost it. I went

01:28:34.220 out and I had to go, I got to go. I just had to go. And I walked outside and I got my wife on the

01:28:39.360 phone. I'm in my, my, my truck outside. And I said, I have a tumor in my neck. It's like a fatty

01:28:46.900 tumor. Right. I said, no, no, it's not. It's not a fatty tumor. And I don't think I, I, I, I was

01:28:54.600 devastated. I mean, I couldn't believe it. And I, you know, I went up and had it removed. It turned out

01:28:58.700 to be a seven centimeter cancerous lymphoma tumor in my neck, which is a huge, enormous

01:29:03.700 tumor. And, um, you know, I mean, I, I write this whole story in, in my, in my next book.

01:29:09.560 I mean, it's, it's kind of, it's a long chapter, but I, I think it's the best one. Cause I writing

01:29:14.460 it brought back all these memories. That's a hard thing. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Yeah. And then it

01:29:20.660 didn't, Megan, it didn't really hit me on any of it because God forbid this happens to anyone.

01:29:25.820 If it happens, I, I prayed it doesn't happen to anyone listening. Cause it's just, it's

01:29:30.980 such a life-changing moment, but it comes at you so fast that, you know, the day before

01:29:36.280 Megan Kelly's worried about her interview tomorrow. And then the next day, like, you know how this

01:29:41.040 is, right? You're like, Oh my God, am I going to be alive next year? So I'm coming back.

01:29:46.540 Sean Hannity, by the way, helped me out. Sean, if you're watching the show, if someone sends

01:29:52.060 this clip to you, I can't, I w I probably wouldn't be alive without Sean. I'm not even

01:29:55.800 kidding. Sean called probably every doctor in the tri-state. Oh my gosh. People have no idea.

01:30:02.940 The other side of this guy, none, the zero idea. I had so many doctors calling me. I had to start

01:30:08.580 ignoring. He was calling everyone. He gets me up into a Sloan Kettering. They cut this massive tumor

01:30:15.340 out of my neck. Thankfully they don't nick my vocal cords or anything. He gets the whole thing out.

01:30:19.860 And this is a weak whirlwind. I never missed a podcast by the way, which is totally bananas.

01:30:25.220 Like, cause I'm so I'm crazy. I'm, I know I'm totally nuts. My wife, I did it from the hotel

01:30:28.620 room. You can go back and look, they're still out there. So, um, I'm coming back on the plane

01:30:33.880 and you know, you know, the look in public, you know, you're famous, right? You know, the look when

01:30:38.160 they recognize you, but I want to say, you know, the look, right? They give you like the nod,

01:30:41.000 you know, so I'm getting on the plane and this guy, I would drive, we're flying back to Maryland

01:30:46.500 and, uh, this guy next to me to the right, gives me the look, the Fox look like, Hey brother.

01:30:50.580 And so we know somebody doesn't say anything. And, uh, about halfway through the flight,

01:30:55.540 I started reading about lymphoma and it says 80% of people with lymphoma will live, uh, more than

01:31:01.260 five years. Now, if you got cancer, you're probably like, wow, those are great odds. 80%, right?

01:31:05.680 That's not how I read it. I read it as 20% of people are dead in five years. And it hit me for the

01:31:10.660 first time. Like, Holy shit. I could be dead in five years. And Megan, the waterworks, man.

01:31:16.100 I just, I'm not talking about like a little cry, like it gone with the wind or something.

01:31:20.140 I'm talking about like, I'm like, Paula, just give me like, take your shirt off or something

01:31:25.060 because my face is so John Boehner action. Oh, John Boehner action going. I mean, it's like

01:31:30.280 turning the faucet on. And the guy looks at me, man. And he gives me the nod. Like he knew the story

01:31:36.880 and he said, I got you. So I thanked that dude in the book. I never met him. I didn't even say

01:31:42.340 anything, but I just thought about the weirdest things going home. It struck me for the first

01:31:46.840 time that I could die. Like, I just thought I was like a mortal. I know that's dumb. We all have an

01:31:51.280 expiration date, but I don't want to know what it is. And I'm driving home to my house and they're

01:31:55.980 building this movie theater complex near us. And the first thing that came to my mind was I'm not

01:32:01.720 going to see my youngest daughter ever get out of grammar school or have a boyfriend or anything

01:32:06.480 like that. And I'm not going to, this is like so weird when you think you're going to do the stupid

01:32:11.080 stuff that comes to mind. That's like the most serious thing ever, right? You don't. And then

01:32:14.100 it occurred to me next, wow, I'll never see what that movie is going to look like a movie. Like,

01:32:18.560 this is the crazy shit that goes through your head and it changed my life. So, you know, people ask me

01:32:23.720 now, they say, Hey, you know, you're pretty cavalier. You do your own thing on the radio. You got

01:32:27.580 these beefs or these people. It's because pardon the language. I give zero fucks. I really don't.

01:32:33.420 I don't care what you say to me. I'm living my life. I'm doing what I think is right. If I fuck it

01:32:39.400 up and it's wrong, I'll fix it. And that's fine. But I'm not taking advice from some dumb ass at some

01:32:45.360 company. Oh, you need to say this or be diplomatic about that. I don't need to be diplomatic about

01:32:49.340 shit. I got through that. And let me tell you, my life has never been the same since, you know,

01:32:54.860 seize the day, man, because you have no idea how many you have left. When you come out of that MRI

01:33:00.140 machine and God forbid someone tells you what that guy told me, that whole, you don't give a shit

01:33:04.840 about your guests tomorrow on your podcast. You care about your kids, your life, your dog, your

01:33:10.360 husband, and everything else. And that changes everything for you. Dan, clean bill of health now?

01:33:17.100 Yeah. I, I, you know, the, the chemo, unfortunately is really bad. Um, I had ABVD chemo and it rips up

01:33:26.600 your heart pretty good. So my heart was never the same. I mean, my HRV score was a hard thing,

01:33:31.760 whatever, but, um, I follow all this stuff. I mean, I went from a, the higher numbers, the better

01:33:36.380 I went from like a 60 and a 70. I had an amen. I did CrossFit type stuff. It's like a 12 or a 15

01:33:43.880 now. So your heart, you're always at risk. And then I've had so many scans. You actually run a

01:33:48.560 risk of getting cancer from the scans. So now I'm at that point in my life. I've been two years clean

01:33:53.400 and remission now with this, where you have to start making like devil's bargains. You know,

01:33:58.560 do you get a scan that could actually give you cancer or, you know, do you chance it and just hope

01:34:05.380 you'll live. But, um, I'll tell you what, Megan, you see now I'm getting, it's such a great,

01:34:10.780 my producer key is like, gosh, she's so freaking good at this. Um, you know, you are, you're very

01:34:16.000 talented now that you're giving me the credit. You're doing all the work. No, no, no, no. You

01:34:20.740 just, you got to pull it out of people. You know, I don't worry about it. I don't worry about it

01:34:26.720 anymore. I don't, and I don't say that with some faux bravado and my chest puffing, but I don't need

01:34:30.980 to do that. Um, I don't, you're living the life I'm a sinner. Yeah. I'm living the life I want to

01:34:37.020 live. And I, you know, I, I, I believe in, in my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. And if his mission

01:34:43.520 for me is over soon, then you know what? It's over, man. And I went out and I did it like Frankie

01:34:49.300 Sinatra, man. You know, I did it my way and that was it. And I'm good with that. Dan, I have a feeling

01:34:56.280 you're going to be with us for a long, long time. And I'm so grateful. You've always been a dear

01:35:02.320 friend. You're a great, great newsman, commentator, pundit, activist. Um, thank you for your service to

01:35:08.620 our country. And thank you that for continuing that service. That's what you're doing every day.

01:35:12.120 You're continuing that service. Love you. Love to your family. Wait, before we go, I just want to say

01:35:17.040 on the record, that is the most enjoyable interview I have ever done in podcast, TV, news, radio,

01:35:24.980 radio, written, print, skywriting, unbelievable job. That was a lot of fun. Thanks for having me.

01:35:31.140 Thank you. Thank you so much. See you soon. Oh my gosh. It was amazing. That was so great.

01:35:37.720 Oh, I'm going to have to sit with that one for a while. It's so good to see him again,

01:35:41.120 be able to talk to him. Very frustrating. We couldn't talk when he was at Fox. They have the

01:35:44.200 weird rules. So this is the beginning of something new and fun now that he's a free man. Um, and speaking

01:35:50.480 of free men on Monday, we have another first time guest who is another huge new media voice.

01:35:56.580 And that is Charlie Kirk. First time on the program. I've been on his show. He's never

01:36:00.620 been on mine, but he will appear on Monday. We're looking forward to that. In the meantime,

01:36:04.540 have a great weekend. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:36:20.480 Thank you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 19, 2023

Dan Bongino on His Fox News Exit, Tucker's Next Steps, Trump vs. DeSantis, and the Truth About the Deep State ｜ Ep. 554

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