The Megyn Kelly Show - Dan Bongino on Status of Charlie Kirk Assassin Investigation, Plus, Cultural Decline, with Mark Halperin, Emily Jashinsky, and Peter Navarro ｜ Ep. 1149

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We're coming to you live today from Sirius XM headquarters in New York.

00:00:19.460 And I want to start with something that we've been talking a lot about in my house since Charlie Kirk's assassination last week.

00:00:28.080 And that is the tour that we announced last Monday, Megyn Kelly Live. This is the first time we've taken the show on the road.

00:00:35.980 It's a cross-country tour set to begin next month. We're going coast to coast.

00:00:41.820 And we began selling tickets last week and we began our promotional tour where I've just been calling into local radio stations and talking about the tour and the cities it's coming to.

00:00:52.000 And Charlie was supposed to join us on one stop of that tour in California.

00:00:59.780 And we paused all of our promotional efforts as soon as Charlie was killed.

00:01:06.160 Just out of respect, first of all. And second of all, because he was in a lot of the materials and the ads that we were running.

00:01:12.840 Totally inappropriate, given what's happened. And then we had a serious discussion internally with my team and internally with my family about the tour.

00:01:27.000 Because as you probably know, if you listen to the show, I don't actually go out there that often.

00:01:32.240 I'm not like Charlie in that way. I'm more of a private person.

00:01:37.340 I know it's odd because I have a public job, but I just am more of a private person.

00:01:42.420 And most of my spare time is spent with my family.

00:01:46.120 And in all of those talks, I've heard everyone's concerns.

00:01:50.580 And I'm well aware of the challenges that now face us in doing this. 0.89

00:01:54.780 And all I can tell you is there is no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour.

00:02:03.420 Not one stop. 0.94

00:02:06.820 It's not that I don't have some concerns. Of course I do. I'm human.

00:02:10.840 I, as you know, have been covering the news very closely. 0.96

00:02:14.100 But there is no fucking way we're not doing this tour. 0.67

00:02:19.840 It's more important now than ever. 0.91

00:02:22.140 And I said to my team, at this point, you know, I don't, I don't care if every single guest cancels on me.

00:02:32.320 I don't care if there are two people in the audiences as we go from city to city.

00:02:36.560 I'm going.

00:02:38.380 I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show.

00:02:44.800 And I will speak to those two people from the heart and be forever grateful to them for showing up.

00:02:50.860 I, I see no other way.

00:02:55.860 There is no other way forward.

00:02:58.320 We can make this safe for me.

00:03:01.000 We can make it safe for you and for our guests.

00:03:03.640 And we absolutely have to keep talking.

00:03:06.540 We absolutely have to keep this discussion going.

00:03:10.140 To, to cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer.

00:03:15.200 You know, it's just not the answer.

00:03:18.660 So I'm going.

00:03:20.500 And I really hope you do show up.

00:03:24.200 I really now more than ever would love to see you all face to face.

00:03:28.000 God, I would love to see you face to face.

00:03:31.060 I need to see you face to face.

00:03:34.540 I think this is probably the best thing I can do for my own emotional state at the moment, just to see all of you.

00:03:40.600 And so I hope you come.

00:03:44.080 We are going to have significant security, as you might imagine. 0.91

00:03:49.600 And so it'll be a pain in the ass to actually get into the venues somewhat, you know, more so than it was going to be.

00:03:54.900 And I hope you'll understand that. 0.95

00:03:57.080 But we're going to make it safe.

00:03:58.420 We're going to make it safe for me.

00:03:59.360 We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you.

00:04:02.100 And we are going to get together and we're going to talk about the things that matter.

00:04:07.640 And we're still going to have some fun.

00:04:10.140 You know, I was really looking forward to the tour and sort of having a raucous good time.

00:04:13.960 And I think that still will be the case because if you're coming out of your homes and you're going to spend your time with me, I want you to enjoy yourself.

00:04:20.840 You know, I'm sure that the stop in California where Charlie was going to join us will be more somber.

00:04:28.020 And we're still debating what to do there.

00:04:30.500 We're not canceling it.

00:04:33.320 Trust me, I'll be there.

00:04:35.120 But I want to figure out an appropriate way to honor him.

00:04:40.360 And I think we'll be honoring Charlie throughout the tour.

00:04:44.040 That we're still debating exactly how we want to do it, but we will be.

00:04:47.520 So anyway, I just wanted to start this week as we did last week by telling you I am doing this tour and I would love for you to join me.

00:04:55.860 You can go to megankelly.com to buy tickets and find out more info on it.

00:05:02.440 And that's where the tickets are posted now.

00:05:04.120 And I will resume my promotional tour with the radio stations and so on on this very soon.

00:05:10.060 Okay.

00:05:10.280 So megankelly.com to buy the tickets and I can't wait to see you.

00:05:14.840 One other thing just before I wrap this piece of it up.

00:05:18.320 I was listening to my friend Sasha Stone this morning who has a wonderful podcast and Substack.

00:05:28.920 And she ran this soundbite of RFKJ where they honored Charlie over the weekend at the Kennedy Center.

00:05:37.440 And I almost didn't run this because I don't want it to sound too self-aggrandizing.

00:05:42.200 I'm not going to join the Marines.

00:05:43.760 I'm just going out on a tour.

00:05:45.360 But it was inspirational just to hear this comment he made about a conversation he had with Charlie.

00:05:52.580 So I want to play it for you and maybe you'll have it in mind too.

00:05:55.520 I had a conversation once with Charlie where we were talking about the danger that we both face from challenging entrenched interests.

00:06:08.860 And he asked me if I was scared to die.

00:06:11.780 And I said to him, there's a lot worse things than dying.

00:06:15.260 And one of those.

00:06:16.660 The chief among those is losing our constitutional rights and having our children raised in slavery.

00:06:33.520 And I said to him at that time, I said, sometimes our only consolation is that we can die with our boots on.

00:06:48.620 We can die fighting for these things.

00:06:51.320 I thought it was very well said.

00:06:59.780 No one's dying.

00:07:01.500 Everyone's going to go out, have a good time, talk about the news and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real.

00:07:11.480 Whether there's a threat or there's not.

00:07:13.860 There is some nobility in that.

00:07:16.500 And there is nobility in showing up for it, too.

00:07:19.580 Like you always do.

00:07:20.680 Like all of you do.

00:07:22.160 Anyway, I hope you'll join me.

00:07:24.160 MeganKelley.com for the tickets.

00:07:26.020 Now to the news.

00:07:26.880 And there's a lot of it.

00:07:27.700 We've got a big guest to kick off this show.

00:07:30.240 And we'll get to him in one second.

00:07:32.160 Throughout the weekend and even since our AM update show this morning, there have been significant developments in this investigation.

00:07:37.060 FBI Director Cash Patel appearing on Fox News this morning, giving several updates first.

00:07:42.680 Patel said investigators have found DNA evidence linking alleged assassin Tyler Robinson to the scene.

00:07:51.040 OK, they said that they found Robinson's DNA on a screwdriver that was on the rooftop from which he took the shot, as well as the towel that was used to wrap the firearm believed to have been used in the shooting in that nearby grassy knoll wooded area.

00:08:04.380 Director Patel says DNA found on the rifle is still being analyzed.

00:08:09.740 Patel also discussing that Robinson wrote a note of some sort before the shooting.

00:08:15.520 This is different from what he engraved on the bullet casings.

00:08:20.540 He, in addition, wrote a note of some sort before the shooting stating that he believed he had an opportunity to, quote, take out Charlie Kirk and that he was, quote, going to take it.

00:08:34.680 This is before the assassination.

00:08:37.880 Listen.

00:08:38.020 My job as FBI director is not to speak to motive, is to speak to the facts.

00:08:44.460 And that's what I'm going to do.

00:08:46.180 His family has collectively told investigators that he subscribed to left wing ideology and even more so in these last couple of years.

00:08:56.100 And he had a text message exchange.

00:08:59.960 He, the suspect, with another individual in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and he was going to do it because of his hatred for what Charlie stood for.

00:09:10.820 Those are factually accurate investigatory findings by the FBI that we've handed over to the local authorities and the federal authorities to make their prosecutorial decisions.

00:09:21.000 But I believe in this instance of such public importance, the public has a right to know.

00:09:25.980 Now, it sounded like he had left that note in the apartment that he shared with his so-called boyfriend transitioning into female, which is not a thing.

00:09:38.080 And that the note had been destroyed, but that they had managed to recreate it somehow.

00:09:43.900 Director Patel also confirming reporting that Robinson himself is not cooperating with the authorities.

00:09:48.740 He indicated that the FBI is looking into social media accounts that appear to indicate foreknowledge of an attack on Kirk, but said they must be careful in how those messages are obtained so as not to taint the legal process.

00:10:02.380 His work will directly lead to Pam Bondi's prosecution of this shooter or the Utah state authorities.

00:10:10.380 However, this winds up shaking out.

00:10:12.780 And so they do have to be careful.

00:10:14.040 Well, we can all see these tweets online.

00:10:16.340 They have to obtain them and the data around them lawfully and through a process or the defense lawyers will have them thrown out.

00:10:23.380 So that's good.

00:10:23.920 They're crossing those T's. 0.87

00:10:25.620 However, the Washington Free Beacon, they don't have to abide by any of those protocols.

00:10:29.480 And they are citing three people at the FBI familiar with the investigation, reporting that the bureau is looking into posts by at least seven different accounts.

00:10:38.740 Several of the accounts appear to belong to transgender individuals.

00:10:41.800 And at least one of them followed the suspect in this case, Tyler Robinson's roommate.

00:10:47.460 OK, so followed the roommate, the boyfriend with whom Robinson was reportedly in a romantic relationship. 0.98

00:10:55.600 Minutes after Charlie Kirk was pronounced dead, the user posted on X, we fucking did it.

00:11:02.820 This person has since deleted the account. 0.50

00:11:06.440 Another user, five days before the shooting, wrote, quote, you guys, I have something big coming soon.

00:11:13.920 Just be sure to check the news.

00:11:15.920 You'll know it when you see it.

00:11:17.760 Five days before the assassination.

00:11:28.460 Then on Wednesday after the shooting, the same account writes, quote, well, that's that.

00:11:33.400 And another chud bites the dust.

00:11:37.060 Chud, apparently a sling derogatory, slang derogatory term for right wingers.

00:11:43.020 This user has also deleted the account.

00:11:45.140 The Free Beacon also reporting a TikTok account by an individual who appears to be transgender, writing, quote, Charles James Kirk does not know what's coming tomorrow.

00:11:58.980 This isn't a threat.

00:12:00.400 It's a promise.

00:12:02.400 So how did all these people know this?

00:12:06.040 Did they just get lucky?

00:12:07.120 They just stumbled upon?

00:12:08.200 They just had a feeling something was going to happen to Charlie and they all wrote it and they have links to the trans community.

00:12:13.340 Wow, that's quite a coincidence.

00:12:15.960 And there's new information regarding Tyler Robinson, the suspect, as well.

00:12:20.100 As I mentioned above, he was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who's a biological man pretending that he can become a female.

00:12:28.600 And in the process of that, quote, transition, this news was confirmed to Axios by six sources.

00:12:34.780 And not just that, but as we reported in our own AM update this morning, Tyler Robinson himself appears to have a link to so-called furry culture and a website to this culture, which is linked to the trans community and which involves people dressing up like animals and getting some sort of sexual fetish out of it.

00:12:54.440 By the way, that same so-called boyfriend who was trying to trans himself into female was constantly all over the Internet in furry costumes.

00:13:04.000 That's where the things stand this morning at 1213 Eastern Time.

00:13:09.960 Joining me now to go over all the breaking developments is the deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino.

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00:14:20.580 Dan, thank you so much for being here.

00:14:22.500 Let's just start with this person with whom the suspect was in a romantic relationship.

00:14:29.100 Can you confirm this information that it was this man transitioning from male to female and that the two of them were in a romantic relationship together?

00:14:36.640 It appears, Megan, from the information we've accumulated both forensically and digitally in the comms between the two and some of the statements from family and friends that there was a relationship here that may have been beyond platonic.

00:14:54.100 I think we have a good body of information at this point indicating that.

00:15:00.320 And can I just say, if I was listening to you open there, just let me say in advance, I don't do a lot of media coming from a media space.

00:15:08.600 And I may surprise some people, but I haven't.

00:15:10.840 I've only done a few media appearances since I've been here for the last six months.

00:15:14.220 But we believe, both the director and I and others, that given the public interest, significant public interest in this case, understandably, that it's important we get out ahead and share as much as we can.

00:15:27.420 I only say that because there are things I'm not, as a deputy director, able to come to communicate to you and other things I will.

00:15:35.400 So I just want you to understand, don't mistake sometimes my lack of an answer for anything other than there's a reason.

00:15:42.800 No, we don't have Dan Bongino podcasters sitting here.

00:15:46.580 We have Dan Bongino, deputy director of the FBI, and you have to be more careful in that role.

00:15:50.040 Totally got it. Totally got it.

00:15:52.200 Thank you.

00:15:52.980 So you just blow me off if I ask something you can't answer, and we can be explicit about that.

00:15:57.320 The audience will understand.

00:15:58.980 Are you guys confirming, Dan, that the boyfriend's name is Lance Twiggs?

00:16:05.700 That is the boyfriend's name.

00:16:07.420 Okay.

00:16:08.240 And how many roommates did the shooter have, the alleged shooter?

00:16:12.800 Well, at this point, how many people roommate, let's say that we have the suspect in this case, and then we have Lance.

00:16:25.580 How many people they associated with and how many, in fact, lived or resided there?

00:16:30.600 It's up in the air.

00:16:31.700 However, there is apparently a network of people, whether they were friends.

00:16:36.900 And I think you hit on the important question in the open.

00:16:40.940 Given his network of friends and associates, what was the level of foreknowledge about this attack?

00:16:47.300 Did they know something and refuse to say something?

00:16:50.200 Did they know something and think it was a joke?

00:16:52.380 Now, as an attorney, you're well aware.

00:16:55.640 There's going to be a lot of opinions on the matter.

00:16:57.860 However, we have to build a probable cause case and get over that hurdle in order to properly charge other people if they do have involvement.

00:17:07.260 And so that's – but this, I want to assure the audience, I was pretty clear on this in the news appearance this morning.

00:17:15.820 We are not done.

00:17:18.100 Anyone under the assumption out there that this is, you know, the end of the investigation is categorically wrong.

00:17:24.780 It's, you know, not even the end of the beginning of the investigation.

00:17:28.120 We are exhausting every lead.

00:17:29.480 There are thousands.

00:17:30.280 There are thousands of leads that have come in through open source, through our Intoc line, through our specific FBI tip line.

00:17:37.720 Some of them did not pan out.

00:17:39.380 Some of them won't pan out.

00:17:40.540 But some of them may.

00:17:41.740 But we're not done at all looking into any possible support or aiding and abetting in the case.

00:17:47.680 Do we believe that Twiggs had advanced knowledge of this shooting, given the fact that he clearly received texts from Tyler telling him where to find the gun, what was written on the casings, and so on?

00:17:58.640 And that he had those when you guys went knocking on his door.

00:18:03.500 Well, given the cooperation of that subject at this time, I don't want to say too much about what he's saying or not saying.

00:18:12.120 However, there are indicators just beyond Twiggs that there were a lot of warning signs here in this case.

00:18:18.760 And having said that, this is a good moment to put out there.

00:18:23.620 When you look at these targeted violence attacks, political assassinations, space I'm unfortunately all too familiar with in my time with the Secret Service, school shootings, not random violence, not domestic violence, but targeted violence for political or ideological reasons.

00:18:39.080 You see a lot of these warning signs in advance where they tell people, is that the case here?

00:18:45.500 It appears warning signs were there.

00:18:47.220 I don't want to get too specific about what they were.

00:18:49.980 However, we hear this a lot.

00:18:51.540 And I'm not suggesting it's in this case.

00:18:53.200 But we hear, oh, I thought it was a joke.

00:18:55.500 And, you know, I hate the just generic advice of the see something, say something, because it gets blown off.

00:19:01.600 But this happens, unfortunately, all too many times.

00:19:04.620 And there were a number of warning signs there that this individual suspect in the case had taken a dark turn.

00:19:11.980 And I want to put out in advance, obviously, as well as the deputy director, that everyone's presumed innocent in our republic, no matter how vile the crime is.

00:19:20.080 I think everybody understands that.

00:19:21.680 But facts are facts, evidence are evidence.

00:19:24.140 And we really, really feel both Cash and I feel the need to talk to the public here.

00:19:29.120 And, again, I just don't want anyone in the public to assume sometimes my lack of an answer is in any way a problem with clarity.

00:19:37.120 There are just some reasons we can't talk about some things.

00:19:39.360 But we really do want to address as many of these issues as we can with the public.

00:19:44.160 Director Patel said on Fox & Friends this morning that the suspect had a text message exchange with another individual in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk.

00:19:59.120 And he was going to do it because of his hatred for what Charlie stood for.

00:20:03.940 So that sounds pretty explicit by the director that in advance there was a text exchange with another individual in which Robinson claimed he had an opportunity to take him out and he was going to do it.

00:20:14.180 So that would lead any of us to conclude, Dan, that there was at least one other individual who knew that Robinson was planning to murder Charlie.

00:20:22.180 Is that true?

00:20:22.720 Yeah, that was a reference to the note you referenced in your opening of your show that according to the evidence we have now that that particular statement may have been on the note.

00:20:37.320 There's we're still investigating whether that note was in fact seen in advance.

00:20:41.580 We don't have the actual note.

00:20:43.080 We may have been destroyed.

00:20:44.780 But there there is some evidence here that there were some, you know, pre attack indicators, the specificity of that and when they knew it, when they saw it, that we're still looking into.

00:20:54.580 Do we believe that there's potentially some sort of trans group online that may have had foreknowledge of this attack?

00:21:04.320 Well, there's a number of forensic digital pieces we have indicating that this was ideologically targeted.

00:21:17.040 I mean, Charlie Kirk was obviously a prominent, well-known public figure known for espousing proudly his conservative views.

00:21:26.720 Charlie was a friend of mine.

00:21:28.920 That's not a secret.

00:21:30.280 That's, you know, we've had a relationship that goes back years.

00:21:33.820 I have had to put a lot of those emotions aside in order to assist our FBI team in getting answers on the case.

00:21:42.140 But some of the digital footprints we have and traffic we have that we were able to accumulate after we had the suspect in custody seem to indicate that there was a significant ideological component to this attack.

00:21:58.300 I mean, clearly, I mean, clearly Charlie was a target.

00:22:00.620 Clearly, he was a conservative commentator.

00:22:02.620 And when you look at the evidence we've accumulated from friends and family and digitally, the communications traffic, there appears to be a real significant anger at Charlie Kirk because of some of his ideas.

00:22:16.120 Did that include his ideas on transing children and trans individuals?

00:22:21.600 Well, when you look at some of the bullet casings, the inscriptions on some of the bullet casings and some of the digital traffic to people in his network, it appears that may have been a part of it.

00:22:35.820 It appears pretty significant in this case, especially given the relationship.

00:22:39.400 We want to make sure we nail that down for, of course, for charging documents in conjunction with our state and local partners.

00:22:47.960 But I don't want to give up exactly what we have on the digital side right now.

00:22:53.820 That's fine. I don't want to make you do anything that would compromise the investigation.

00:22:58.020 I want you guys to keep your hands clean.

00:22:59.300 Is it true that Robinson is not cooperating?

00:23:04.740 Robinson, to this point, is not cooperating.

00:23:07.680 He has an attorney, which is his constitutional right to do so.

00:23:11.880 And hence, that's why, you know, I did a cable interview news this morning about this case.

00:23:17.920 That's why there are some questions I'm hesitant to answer.

00:23:21.520 Because if he was if he was cooperating in this case, again, most of us in the legal space, you included, know this.

00:23:27.420 It's obviously easier to get answers because he is a suspect in the case.

00:23:32.040 So you'd like to hear from the suspect if you're suspicious of the suspect, what exactly they say they may or may not have done.

00:23:39.420 So there are some elements to the mechanics of of the of the crime where it would be helpful at this point if Robinson was cooperative.

00:23:51.480 But he has a constitutional right, which is exercised at this point.

00:23:56.100 We feel, however, again, everybody's innocent until proven guilty.

00:23:59.640 But we feel, however, that we've built an extremely strong case.

00:24:03.560 The FBI team did an amazing job.

00:24:05.960 The state and local partners could not have been more cooperative.

00:24:10.160 And, you know, I know when tragedies like this happen, this isn't time for back patting.

00:24:15.520 Who cares? We lost Charlie.

00:24:17.560 I mean, but I do want you to know as taxpayers and citizens, you pay for the FBI.

00:24:24.740 You pay for your Utah DPS and other entities out there that there's been none of this kind of internal fighting that may have happened in the past.

00:24:33.880 I mean, our ERT, our evidence response team, Megan, that was a massive crime scene, massive crime scene.

00:24:41.240 Hundreds of people, articles of there were, you know, I can't get emotional about this.

00:24:48.480 You have to just process information.

00:24:49.860 But I was there in the crime scene and we spent a couple of days there, both the director and I.

00:24:57.560 And when you go in the room where they had put the school bags and then, you know, one of the things, sorry, but one of the things that really hit me, there's a room where all of the personal articles that were left behind at the scene, which were significant, were being stored on the campus.

00:25:14.400 And, you know, when you're processing all this and it hits you, weird, you know, weird things.

00:25:22.300 You think about the weirdest of things and I just, I couldn't believe how many water bottles would everybody had one of those water bottles.

00:25:28.400 I don't know what they're called.

00:25:29.260 The kids have these fancy water bottles and they were everywhere in the room and there was a baby carriages and things like that.

00:25:36.820 And our evidence response team responded and immediately had this crime scene ready to go.

00:25:44.560 And we had an agent there in 16 minutes from the time Charlie was shot.

00:25:48.680 And thanks to the incredible work of the state and local partners as well, they were able to process this crime scene and accumulate an unbelievable amount of forensic evidence.

00:25:57.900 When you walk the crime scene, there is little they did not think of, you know, when I was up there on the roof.

00:26:03.940 Do we have any idea why the roof wasn't covered by security?

00:26:11.260 I don't, Megan.

00:26:12.400 And as someone in the security space, it's fairly easy for me to Monday morning quarterback anyone.

00:26:18.500 I have done events with Charlie, quite a few, as a matter of fact.

00:26:22.160 And I've always found his security team to be very professional.

00:26:25.960 I, you know, did an attorney point event where I joked one time that they had better magnetometers than I saw in the Secret Service.

00:26:34.000 Why in this case was the roof uncovered?

00:26:36.880 I can't I can't say.

00:26:39.820 I think in the future at political events, regardless of who's speaking, I think there's going to be a significant change in security posture going forward.

00:26:51.540 Mm hmm. Back on the subject of the defendant and his boyfriend, the boyfriend Twiggs, is he still cooperating?

00:26:58.180 As of this point, the family and friends, we have a good number of people, including the the romantic partner who have been who have been cooperating and continue to that could change.

00:27:15.920 Of course, we hope it doesn't where it's very beneficial to have these folks cooperating.

00:27:20.960 It's of note that pursuant to the press conference where we put out the photo of the suspect at the time and the video and the reason we put out the video.

00:27:31.100 I just I'll answer your question. But this is important, too.

00:27:34.060 There's a tie in here. The reason we decided and there's a lot of second guessing going on.

00:27:40.480 And that's important. Listen, this is a taxpayer funded operation.

00:27:43.540 The FBI, it's not a private company. You have every right to question everything.

00:27:47.020 You pay for it. But we have an explanation forever. Nothing we did was by accident.

00:27:52.860 You know, when we held that press conference at night, the reason we had the the the governor and everyone put out that video is we wanted to anchor the new photos we had released.

00:28:03.300 And we're going to put out in front of a national primetime audience.

00:28:05.960 We wanted to anchor it to the video so you understood why we were looking for this particular suspect.

00:28:11.860 Now, to get back to your question about cooperation, pursuant to that, it was just a short time after, thankfully, due to the work of all the partners involved in this, the there were members of the suspect circle that recognized him and agreed.

00:28:29.200 And he went and they turned themselves in.

00:28:31.080 Like I said this morning, his dad, his dad recognized him.

00:28:34.300 Yeah. Yeah. And that was due to the, you know, the work of these folks.

00:28:38.640 Again, this is no time for don't be silly, you know, victory laps.

00:28:42.540 None of that stuff matters. You know, this is a serious crime that's had repercussions and will have repercussions moving forward that are going to be very dramatic for political dialogue in the country.

00:28:52.520 But, yeah, that that decision was was not an easy one.

00:28:57.440 You know, you don't want to put out a picture and say, well, that picture came out earlier.

00:29:01.820 Yeah, but it didn't come out earlier to a primetime audience of potentially five to 10 million people.

00:29:06.540 I was sitting in the command post, Megan, with our entire team, which was significant.

00:29:11.960 There were a large number of people there from state and local officials to our FBI team to people who are going to manage the media because the media can be your friend and was our friend in this investigation.

00:29:23.500 I said to them when they came in, I said, you know, someone's sitting next to this guy in a restaurant right now.

00:29:28.540 Mm hmm. And when they walked back in and we had an ident and a name, a identifier, I mean, to speak in jargon, we had an identifier on it.

00:29:39.200 I don't want to say exactly what they said, but when they walked back in the CP, you know, and I looked at cash and we just this sense of relief.

00:29:46.840 We were you there, Dan, when he was brought in?

00:29:48.740 Three hours. No, he was brought in to to it was about forgive me if I'm not exactly correct, but it was about three hours from where we were in Orem and that whole Provo area.

00:30:02.040 It was a different place near St. George. So he was brought in there. So we had to transport him back.

00:30:08.120 We just wanted to be sure. Obviously, Megan, we didn't care where he did as long as it was a law enforcement facility and we could appropriately take a suspect at the time into custody.

00:30:19.260 We were not particularly concerned.

00:30:21.480 And now I got to ask you this and you know why. But is he being watched so that there can be no suicide?

00:30:28.620 Yeah, that's that's what we've been told from local officials who have custody over him right now, that he is he is, in fact, on watch.

00:30:36.320 That's a that is obviously going to remain a concern is that did he buy this gun legally?

00:30:45.380 I don't want to say right now how he acquired the gun, but there was I will say there was some significant concerns expressed by the suspect in the case about the gun and retrieving the gun.

00:30:59.220 And the reason I bring this up is, again, I'm here with you in every effort to share what we can appropriately share so that information vacuums aren't filled.

00:31:10.120 There was some conversation I heard on. I'm sorry, it was a news chat.

00:31:13.780 I forget which one I was listening to about retrieving the weapon.

00:31:18.480 And there was some confusion where I believe that one of the hosts thought it was a retrieval from an FFL, a firearms dealer.

00:31:26.140 That that's not what happened.

00:31:28.020 The digital comms traffic that we have and the concerns the suspect in this case were expressing where it was retrieving the firearm from the crime scene, not not from a firearms dealer.

00:31:40.940 Well, that's another thing that people are confused about, because if Cash said that they found his what we presume was his screwdriver on the top of the building and they found his DNA on it, leading many to believe he had disassembled the gun when he jumped off of the roof.

00:31:54.340 But then it appears when you guys found it in the woods, it was assembled.

00:31:58.020 So can you provide any clarity on that?

00:32:00.180 Yeah, and I was a little hesitant in a media appearance this morning to go into specifics on especially the video and where the gun was.

00:32:11.380 And there's a reason. Again, we only want to be transparent here.

00:32:17.060 Yeah, just tell us what you can.

00:32:18.240 The suspect, yeah, the suspect not cooperating, the video is obviously grainy.

00:32:25.360 And as folks in the video space know out there, we can we have a number of really excellent tools in our lab, which is they're doing amazing work and they've been up and handling this for days now.

00:32:38.560 But the video is very grainy and I want to be very clear and I don't want to.

00:32:43.080 Oh, there was you know, I've already seen some online.

00:32:45.320 Yeah, I can see it on the screen. You'll see it's a grainy video.

00:32:48.140 Now, I've been I've been on that roof in that corner and when you see the camera in the distance away, it's clearly not the best video.

00:32:57.520 Now, let me just go back to what I said before and I'll get into the gun.

00:33:01.040 Don't let me forget the gun portion of it.

00:33:02.980 It's because I just want to watch this for a second.

00:33:05.200 You'll see here. Yeah, there's there's a couple different what we call it.

00:33:09.980 All right, there you go.

00:33:10.980 So getting down off the roof, he hangs for a couple of seconds, he drops to the floor, to the grass and then he runs.

00:33:16.740 Go ahead. Yes. Sorry, I forget.

00:33:19.640 Sometimes there's an audio on. I should be better.

00:33:21.540 This is a former media person. I forget there's an audio component only.

00:33:24.700 I got you. Watch it. The camera is quite far away.

00:33:27.840 It's not the best camera to see exactly what happened to the gun.

00:33:32.800 However, we have some working theories and one of them is that he he drops the firearm fully assembled onto the ground and and then retrieves it.

00:33:43.020 Now, the firearm we're processing in conjunction with our ATF friends, but the firearm was wrapped in a towel.

00:33:50.320 And as the director said this morning on on a cable news appearance, the towel, we did get a pretty strong forensic DNA hit.

00:33:59.920 So that's the only reason. Again, I don't want anyone to speculate.

00:34:03.200 Oh, they're not sure where the gun is. Oh, no.

00:34:06.120 I just we have to be careful what we put out in the video is not the best quality.

00:34:10.620 It's it's not. And for no other reason than it's, you know, the video was that camera where it is, is not a crime scene camera.

00:34:18.300 It's a camera designed for just general surveillance on campus.

00:34:21.440 And when you're there, you'll see it's it's it's a distance away.

00:34:24.620 But I missed my point. I want to wrap this point up because it's really important.

00:34:28.800 You may fairly enough as as taxpaying citizens again, say, well, you know, during the presser, why release screening video?

00:34:36.560 Because that is the crime scene there. That's where we you know, we have evidence of a suspect who shot from that location.

00:34:45.160 We have a suspect who appears to be on camera. They're fleeing the location.

00:34:49.320 And we wanted to anchor that. This is really important to the photos we were releasing.

00:34:54.120 What we didn't want is we release a photo and people say, well, why? Why that particular photo?

00:35:00.060 We thought the video, how the quality is OK, but not, you know, the pixels are not great.

00:35:06.560 We wanted to be sure we could anchor it to here's why this particular suspect is of interest to us right now.

00:35:13.300 The I got to ask you about this Fox News report by Jackie Henrich, the White House correspondent,

00:35:18.380 who says you and Cash are under fire, political fire, that she reports the White House.

00:35:25.200 Pam Bondi, Todd Blanch, her deputy, have no confidence in Cash Patel.

00:35:29.080 Citing one source, Pam in particular, cannot stand him. Blanch either.

00:35:32.360 They said referring to Pam Bondi and Todd Blanch.

00:35:36.000 Bondi and Blanch denied the characterization.

00:35:38.100 White House officials denied any plans to remove Director Patel.

00:35:41.380 But the headline is that knives are out for Cash Patel.

00:35:44.920 It ends with something about you, Dan, saying three sources also point out Dan Bongino's days are more likely numbered than Patel's.

00:35:52.000 As he threatened to quit amid fallout from the Epstein feud with Bondi.

00:35:55.620 I want to give you a chance to comment on those two pieces.

00:35:58.160 Megan, I don't even know.

00:36:03.020 So just to be clear, I've read the report.

00:36:05.460 I spoke to Jackie.

00:36:07.540 Everyone on the record you just cited, on the record, said the exact opposite.

00:36:13.620 You can read the report yourself.

00:36:15.020 Yep.

00:36:15.160 So just to be clear, an off-the-record person who was not willing to put their name to any of this, who may not like what the director and I are doing here, off-the-record, off-the-record, said, wow, these guys are in a lot of trouble.

00:36:29.420 On the record, everyone from the president to Todd to Pam to everyone else says the exact opposite.

00:36:35.800 So your story, not you, but the story is what?

00:36:39.520 Knives are out.

00:36:40.040 Where are the knives?

00:36:41.300 Who's holding the knives?

00:36:42.540 The knives are out?

00:36:43.400 Well, you know, Megan, we've been here, I've been here six months.

00:36:47.380 The director's been here seven.

00:36:51.100 You know, we've moved 1,000 agents out into the field.

00:36:54.160 We finally found an FBI headquarters building after, what, 20 years of fighting?

00:36:59.420 We've rescued 200 kids in VCAC, Violent Crimes Against Children, case.

00:37:04.260 We've arrested cases.

00:37:05.700 We've arrested over 800 sexual predators in Operation Restoring Justice.

00:37:10.460 We engaged in a massive nationwide manhunt for violent fugitives in Operation Not Forgotten.

00:37:17.200 We've arrested now between illegal immigrants and violent felons during Operation Summer Heat and our emergency removal operations with our DHS and ISIS partners.

00:37:27.320 There's tens of thousands of people.

00:37:29.540 The violent crime rate is dropping to historic lows.

00:37:32.980 We've had Operation Viper ongoing for a long time in conjunction with the White House in Memphis, something I can tell you on your show today.

00:37:40.800 The White House, the Department of Justice and Cash and I got together early, and we've been engaged in this summer heat violent crime effort.

00:37:49.320 You know, you have four of 10 FBI's most wanted.

00:37:53.240 We've accumulated, we've dealt with the L.A. riots, the Coeur d'Alene shooting, the attack on the Minnesota lawmakers.

00:37:59.400 We've dealt with school shootings, the Palm Springs incident, the Boulder, Colorado attack, public corruption cases.

00:38:06.060 We have had epic, epic disclosures in the transparency front on things you never would have seen.

00:38:11.980 If the White House was unhappy and President Trump was unhappy, you and I have known the president a long time.

00:38:18.240 You really believe the president's not just going to call it?

00:38:20.840 Just to be clear, I don't mean to get personal, but you know the president like I do.

00:38:24.580 Do you think he's the type to not call you?

00:38:26.820 So I'm a little skeptical of garbage reporting about unnamed sources who may not like what I just told you,

00:38:34.020 who are saying, oh my gosh, the knives are out. 0.90

00:38:35.980 When everybody on the record is saying, what are you talking about?

00:38:38.940 Everything's going great.

00:38:39.900 Mm-hmm.

00:38:40.560 President Trump is not usually shy when he's unhappy with a staffer.

00:38:44.940 No.

00:38:45.520 Yeah.

00:38:46.140 I got to ask you this, Dan, and I know you got to run, but just before I let you go, a word on Charlie,

00:38:51.100 because you have to, like, you're in this, I'm in a unique position in that I had to report on the death of my friend as it happened.

00:38:59.920 And you're in the unique position of now having to investigate your friend's murder.

00:39:04.480 This has got to be a strange, strange headspace to be in as you have to be both a cop and check your emotions at a time when you're still a man, you're still a friend.

00:39:15.440 You know, whenever I need good advice, I talk with my wife.

00:39:31.100 You probably do the same thing with your husband.

00:39:33.400 You know, they know you better, right?

00:39:35.220 Nobody knows you better than your spouse.

00:39:36.960 They see you at your best, your worst.

00:39:38.440 And she said to me, you know, about an hour or so after we found out I had texted her, I said, you know, he's dead.

00:39:49.520 And because this floor is a skiff, you can't carry your cell phone.

00:39:52.580 So I had to walk outside and do it.

00:39:54.320 And I'm walking back this corridor, which is not very long, but it felt like it was 1,000 miles.

00:40:00.840 And it's a thin corridor.

00:40:02.240 It's an old building.

00:40:03.000 And I went back to my phone, and I called my wife.

00:40:05.660 And we were talking a little bit, and she said to me a little bit into the call, she said, you know, would you rather be on the air with your audience right now, walking people through this, or would you rather be in this job, you know, hunting this person down?

00:40:23.840 And I said, it's clear as day.

00:40:25.740 I need to be in this job right now.

00:40:27.920 This is God's spot for me.

00:40:29.700 And I know I can divorce my emotions and handle this, just like we did with the lawmakers in Minnesota.

00:40:36.020 It is not the time for emotion about people.

00:40:38.440 It's time to go find these guys and do your job.

00:40:41.980 And it was powerful.

00:40:43.680 And my wife said, I think you're right.

00:40:45.480 I think you're right.

00:40:47.040 Yeah.

00:40:47.640 It's probably also no accident God had you in this post.

00:40:50.560 I don't know. 0.91

00:40:51.220 Just feel like you guys are always going to take crap from the public because people are never satisfied.

00:40:56.560 But I feel a hell of a lot better having you there than if this had been Biden's DOJ and FBI. 0.95

00:41:03.420 I thank God if this had to happen.

00:41:05.440 It happened under the Trump administration and the people he put in place.

00:41:08.320 So Godspeed to you, Dan, and to Cash, too, as you guys go forward.

00:41:11.700 You know everybody's rooting for you.

00:41:14.620 Thanks, Megan.

00:41:15.400 Appreciate it.

00:41:16.080 I'll talk again soon.

00:41:18.720 Oh, God.

00:41:21.420 Think about it, you guys.

00:41:22.400 Think about it.

00:41:22.860 Dan's strong.

00:41:23.700 He's very strong.

00:41:24.900 He's been through a lot.

00:41:26.160 But think about it.

00:41:27.680 He's got to go out there and try to check all those emotions that I know he can do.

00:41:32.300 I mean, he's a secret service agent.

00:41:33.660 You've got to check all your emotions there, too.

00:41:35.480 But what a challenge.

00:41:37.480 And what a high bar he's got to get over every morning to go out there and make sure he's asking the right questions.

00:41:45.480 And not doing anything to, you know, like you heard him super careful because the last thing he wants to do is say anything to Megyn Kelly or anybody else that would jeopardize the prosecution.

00:41:56.420 That's really where the rubber meets the road.

00:41:58.840 These guys are doing all the investigative building blocks to hand the right evidence over to the prosecutors.

00:42:03.720 You know, the main goal is, A, get the evidence and B, don't fuck it up.

00:42:07.820 Don't do anything that's going to give the skilled defense attorney.

00:42:10.500 And there will be one in this case because this guy is going to be a media star.

00:42:13.980 So a lot of defense attorneys who are super talented will volunteer to do this, even though they normally wouldn't do defense work that's pro bono, to give that person a way to wiggle out very high stakes to what we're seeing now.

00:42:28.080 And yet you see a Trump administration that's determined to be transparent.

00:42:31.600 When do you ever see the FBI come on television and talk about arrests like that?

00:42:35.420 They don't. 0.91

00:42:36.220 They're taking shit right now for saying that they thought they had a suspect in custody the night before they arrested the real guy. 0.96

00:42:42.100 It wasn't the guy. 0.98

00:42:43.980 You know what?

00:42:44.660 It's fine.

00:42:45.520 We lived.

00:42:46.460 We thought they had somebody in suspect.

00:42:47.820 Then they said they were wrong.

00:42:49.100 Cash said, would I have liked to have had my wording back of that tweet?

00:42:51.520 Yeah, but I wouldn't have taken down the tweet.

00:42:53.380 I think it's fine.

00:42:54.180 We're fine.

00:42:55.340 They got the guy.

00:42:56.600 And I, for one, am thrilled to see them coming out and giving interviews.

00:42:59.540 You never saw that.

00:43:01.240 Never, never saw that with previous administrations.

00:43:05.300 And there are things that you can say to tamp down some of the media speculation.

00:43:10.200 P.S.

00:43:10.560 He's not a right winger.

00:43:11.860 Hello.

00:43:12.220 That's one of the things we've learned very clearly.

00:43:15.440 Coming up, we've got two of our MK Media stars here, Mark Halperin and Emily Jashinsky.

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00:44:21.320 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:44:24.580 Joining me now on set are friends from the MK Media Podcast Network, Mark Halperin, host of NextUp,

00:44:28.900 and Emily Jaschinski, host of After Party with Emily Jaschinski.

00:44:33.180 Check them both out, YouTube and podcast.

00:44:35.480 Just type in their names.

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00:44:38.340 So, I mean, a bit of cover the FBI is trying to provide for itself this morning between Cash on Fox and Dan here,

00:44:45.080 but also some real information.

00:44:46.940 I mean, Dan explicitly naming the boyfriend, confirming it was a romantic relationship.

00:44:51.320 Confirming they are investigating these seemingly advanced noticed trans posters.

00:44:58.780 So, they're on it.

00:45:00.000 I do trust, notwithstanding some reports, that they're not looking into the trans link, that they will. 0.95

00:45:04.860 What did you make of the FBI's defense this morning?

00:45:07.840 I'm a First Amendment guy, but I also believe in due process.

00:45:11.140 I've been quite honest.

00:45:12.040 I love the interview.

00:45:13.180 I love what he had to say.

00:45:14.140 But I think the governor and the FBI putting this stuff out, I'm not a big fan.

00:45:17.960 You're worried about it?

00:45:18.900 Like it's compromising?

00:45:20.140 Compromise the case, but also it just sets a bad precedent.

00:45:22.460 You know, they'll file in court tomorrow.

00:45:23.680 It's a state case.

00:45:24.460 It's not a federal case as of now.

00:45:26.260 So, again, I love the interview.

00:45:28.220 I'm glad you got it.

00:45:29.520 But I just, I'd rather they argue all this in court.

00:45:32.520 I understand everybody's super interested, but I'd rather just wait and have it done properly.

00:45:36.680 I do not want to risk the case.

00:45:39.220 I hear you.

00:45:39.580 I don't think they said anything that they're going to.

00:45:42.060 What, Steve?

00:45:42.460 Go ahead, Steve.

00:45:42.940 Try and tell me something.

00:45:45.080 Oh, it's just reminding me that tomorrow is when they're filing the charging documents against this suspect.

00:45:49.700 The right way to do it.

00:45:50.440 And we also expect we're going to hear a lot more about that note.

00:45:53.620 Now, what we gleaned from Kash Patel was that the shooter sent the lover a note or wrote a note in some capacity, maybe online.

00:46:01.960 They said it was destroyed.

00:46:03.560 I don't know if that means deleted.

00:46:05.140 And yet because they seem to have found it anyway.

00:46:07.200 So to me, that suggests you text him something it was deleted and then found that that said he had advance notice.

00:46:12.860 And I'm sorry, you know, Dan won't go there in cash.

00:46:14.800 But that the roommate stinks to high heaven, Emily. 1.00

00:46:19.200 Yeah.

00:46:19.320 And that's also interesting because we keep hearing that the roommate is cooperating.

00:46:22.780 So the roommate is cooperating.

00:46:23.980 And there's also evidence the roommate was deleting evidence.

00:46:27.660 That's a significant discrepancy.

00:46:29.340 And Mark, I totally get what you're saying.

00:46:31.640 I'm also wondering to what extent they've been pushed by media reports.

00:46:35.120 These are public posts in a lot of cases.

00:46:37.200 The Free Beacon report that you mentioned, Megan.

00:46:40.320 I'm sure because the FBI is looking at the reporting that's coming out publicly, they then are trying to balance what they say with what's out there.

00:46:49.360 And, man, what a difficult situation to find themselves in.

00:46:53.080 Well, they're also under fire.

00:46:54.080 On Friday, I played the soundbite from Steve Bannon, who is ripping them for the way they've handled this so far.

00:47:00.520 It's not just Tim Dillon, who's influential in this space.

00:47:03.380 A very smart guy.

00:47:04.140 He went off on them, not thinking they could figure out, like, who stole something from his Walmart receipt.

00:47:10.320 I can't remember exactly how he put it.

00:47:12.260 So there's been some criticism coming in, even from more right-wing or right-wing friendly sources of the FBI.

00:47:18.340 We're in a new age, right, of transparency, where people are demanding our government be more transparent.

00:47:22.540 And I applaud that.

00:47:23.780 But, again, when it comes to prosecutions, again, it's not even a federal prosecution.

00:47:27.680 They have no jurisdiction in this case right now.

00:47:29.520 So I'm happy to wait a little bit.

00:47:32.400 But to your point, young men, you know, they're living in a fantasy world.

00:47:38.340 They're living out their fantasies online and in real life.

00:47:40.960 And there's clearly a lot of culture here that we need to understand more generally.

00:47:44.800 But in this case, everything I've learned so far, everything that's been reported so far,

00:47:48.640 this is a group of people who are going to need a lot of excavation to understand exactly what they did.

00:47:54.040 They were pointing out, the FBI, earlier that it took them 33 hours to apprehend this suspect.

00:48:00.120 It took them five days to get the Boston Marathon bombers.

00:48:03.240 I mean, it's a good point.

00:48:04.960 You know, I think one of the things that's cursing them right now, the FBI, is CSI culture.

00:48:11.000 You know, where we're like, we should know in two minutes.

00:48:14.080 Right.

00:48:14.380 By the time the episode ends.

00:48:15.820 Right. Like, how did the guy get away in the first place?

00:48:18.640 You know, and the truth is, and I asked him about the security and why somebody wasn't on the roof.

00:48:22.560 And that's my own Monday morning kind of question.

00:48:25.660 I'm not blaming anybody.

00:48:26.720 It's just a legit question.

00:48:28.520 I don't understand it.

00:48:30.880 And I am not suggesting government conspiracy, like they intentionally kept somebody off the roof at all.

00:48:35.760 I just genuinely don't understand how they could not have done that, given what we saw in Butler 14 months earlier.

00:48:40.940 But that, too, is a bit of like a hindsight, because I think while they were conscious of security there,

00:48:46.400 I don't think any of us goes into an event prior to this thinking we need presidential level security.

00:48:51.420 Well, yeah, that's an important point.

00:48:52.520 And actually, I've checked in with some of my friends who work in the campus conservative lecture space.

00:48:56.520 And one of the things they told me, this was really interesting, it's that because, and you may know this, Megan,

00:49:00.920 because you speak in highly public places, when you're outside, the benefit of that for a conservative speaker is that the leftist trolls on campus can't buy up the tickets, like if you're inside.

00:49:12.340 And because these groups, I mean, Charlie was enormously popular, but he's not Justin Bieber.

00:49:18.720 And Turning Point USA is not, you know, it's not Paramount or some major corporation.

00:49:24.580 So you actually are just not even in the habit of having that kind of money to put behind security.

00:49:30.480 There's always security.

00:49:31.600 It's very serious.

00:49:32.700 But it's actually really, really difficult to put that many resources in for a nonprofit.

00:49:37.920 Nobody ever really thought about it.

00:49:39.180 And it does seem, in retrospect, crazy after Butler.

00:49:43.100 But, I mean, this is the new world that we're in now.

00:49:45.260 They clearly weren't thinking that they needed that level, you know, like drones and snipers on the roofs and so on.

00:49:52.280 I'm sad to think that this probably will change everything.

00:49:55.260 This is going to change graduation speaking from now on.

00:49:58.340 You know, it's going to have a lot more bulletproof glass in front of people between them and their audience.

00:50:03.200 And it's going to feel very un-American for a long time.

00:50:05.460 We're a free country.

00:50:06.780 And we haven't behaved like that before. 1.00

00:50:08.440 But someone, some sick motherfucker, had a new idea that just changed us last week. 1.00

00:50:14.220 And, you know, I personally can't wait until he gets strapped into the electric chair. 1.00

00:50:18.420 I really can't.

00:50:19.480 I'm sure he'll have his day.

00:50:21.480 He'll go through his justice.

00:50:23.300 But they have this guy dead to rights.

00:50:25.280 Dan's not going to say it.

00:50:26.240 But they've got his DNA on the towel.

00:50:28.160 I'm sure they had a palm print on the gun.

00:50:30.400 It's going to match him.

00:50:31.680 He confessed to his dad and the family friend.

00:50:34.800 Yeah, it's not too soon, though, to think about whether the prosecutors, this would happen in the Idaho case, will make a deal.

00:50:40.140 I know.

00:50:40.600 You know, it's not too soon to start talking about that.

00:50:42.840 They better not.

00:50:43.180 I think we're all shocked at Idaho that they made that deal.

00:50:45.400 And even the families were disappointed.

00:50:47.220 So people need to start thinking about who's going to make that decision.

00:50:50.620 Especially if we find out that there is some type of bigger picture of conspiracy, multiple people involved.

00:50:57.240 Yeah.

00:50:57.720 Well, all those people need to be prosecuted.

00:50:59.240 We're going to talk about them and also the evildoers on the left and how they're celebrating this at a level even I can't comprehend.

00:51:06.200 And, like, doctors and, you know.

00:51:08.640 Pilots.

00:51:09.140 Yeah, pilots.

00:51:10.020 Respected people.

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00:52:26.020 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:52:27.580 Back with me now, Mark Halperin, host of Next Up with Mark Halperin and Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party.

00:52:32.940 Go and subscribe to their shows now on YouTube and on all podcast platforms.

00:52:37.620 They, of course, were with us on the air the day this terrible news broke.

00:52:41.700 And I just want to tell all of you, I've received all of your emails thanking them and our other guests and yours truly for that program.

00:52:48.420 And we appreciate it.

00:52:49.640 We've heard you.

00:52:50.240 And I never really thought about it, but it made sense to me, guys, when I read what they were saying, which was if they had to hear the terrible news, they preferred to hear it from people who actually knew Charlie and appreciated Charlie and loved Charlie and knew what he did as opposed to like, what are you going to tune in, CNN?

00:53:08.300 And listen to one of these people who's helped demonize him over the years, tell you this stuff.

00:53:11.840 It's just like another interesting piece of the media story, right?

00:53:16.360 Like how much things have changed.

00:53:18.220 And on the media story, I have to spend more a minute on Karen Atiyah.

00:53:23.620 So this woman may or may not be familiar to our audience.

00:53:26.940 She worked, I think, at one point for The New York Times, but has been with The Washington Post for a long time.

00:53:31.740 And I mentioned her right after 10-7 because she and I followed each other on X.

00:53:37.660 And it was an interesting relationship because she's this lefty black woman at The Washington Post and I'm this righty white woman in the digital lane.

00:53:45.960 But we followed each other and like I would like her posts with her cat, you know, like you kind of go to the safe ones, you know, or like it just to me, it restored my sense of humanity.

00:53:56.680 Like you can have this relationship with somebody.

00:53:58.660 And she lost her mind after 10-7.

00:54:01.960 She actually liked to tweet, which read, this is what decolonization looks like as we were having Israeli babies murdered. 0.55

00:54:10.720 And I couldn't believe it was such a reveal, like mask off.

00:54:14.680 And she and I got into it via DM.

00:54:18.340 And I've never read this, but it's kind of crazy.

00:54:21.180 I was just going back and looking at it.

00:54:22.860 She's now tweeting about Charlie, which is where this is going.

00:54:25.240 But she was basically saying it was a private like and so what?

00:54:32.120 And then she went off on Palestinians and so on and so forth.

00:54:35.780 And I responded to her by writing.

00:54:38.340 So now it's morphed from all I did was like a tweet to I liked it, but it was a private tweet to or private like to I liked it, but only because I secretly didn't like it.

00:54:47.820 Got it.

00:54:48.360 Much clearer.

00:54:49.440 And then she responded, and now you're probably hoping that one of your followers finds me, my address, and causes harm to me because of a like.

00:54:59.880 Is that what you're after here?

00:55:01.340 She read your mind.

00:55:02.720 And my response was calm down and stop playing the victim.

00:55:05.920 Are there private likes?

00:55:07.240 I don't know about the private like.

00:55:08.240 There's no private like.

00:55:09.080 Just making sure.

00:55:09.800 There is no private like.

00:55:10.600 She's missing that feature. 0.66

00:55:11.480 But now this woman. 0.99

00:55:12.280 So we unfollowed each other.

00:55:14.200 That was the end of our weird little fake friendship.

00:55:16.820 And now she's out there tweeting about Charlie.

00:55:19.680 So she's been with a longtime columnist with the Washington Post.

00:55:23.760 And she's now claiming that she was fired for her Blue Sky Post following Charlie's assassination and also the Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman. 1.00

00:55:32.540 The Post accused her of gross misconduct, unacceptable behavior, and endangering colleague's safety.

00:55:36.960 She rejects the charges as false, hasty, and a violation of journalistic fairness.

00:55:40.800 Her post on Blue Sky.

00:55:44.380 For everyone saying political violence has no place in this country, remember two Democratic legislatures were shot in Minnesota just this year.

00:55:51.280 And America shrugged and moved on. 0.91

00:55:52.840 Part of what keeps America so violent is the insistence that people perform care, empty goodness, and absolution for white men who espouse hatred and violence.

00:56:03.780 And she goes on.

00:56:04.440 I don't care for empty rhetoric because America, especially white America, is not going to do what it needs to to get rid of guns in their country.

00:56:11.860 Blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:56:12.560 Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. 1.00

00:56:16.500 She's quoting Charlie Kirk here. 1.00

00:56:18.080 You have to go steal a white person's slot. 0.95

00:56:20.220 And she is saying this is why she hated Charlie Kirk, which, of course, completely takes Charlie out of context.

00:56:26.600 That was in response to it was Ketanji Brown Jackson.

00:56:31.020 And it was her being chosen on the U.S. Supreme Court and saying and then what's her name came out.

00:56:35.800 Sheila Jackson Lee came out and said, I was a diversity hire.

00:56:39.220 I'm an affirmative action.

00:56:40.620 And he was like, she's got she openly admits that she's the following things.

00:56:44.420 In any event, that's all a long wind up to your thoughts on Karen Atiyah now officially getting fired by The Washington Post. 0.66

00:56:50.640 I don't like anyone being fired.

00:56:52.260 And I care about the First Amendment.

00:56:54.160 And it couldn't have happened to a nicer lady. 1.00

00:56:56.600 She's representative of all these people around the country.

00:56:58.980 Even if everything they're saying about Charlie were true and in her case and others, it's not the mentality of someone who would root for someone's death to be so cavalier about it.

00:57:11.060 It's really shaken me as much as anything that's happened since he was killed.

00:57:14.200 I just I struggle to understand the mentality of someone like her who would do who would do that.

00:57:19.720 And there's a reckoning.

00:57:22.800 The Washington Post would not have fired a liberal communists for any reason three years ago.

00:57:26.440 So this is part of now, not even for this is what decolonization looks like.

00:57:30.600 This is part of a different environment that exists at The Washington Post.

00:57:34.240 I don't know that exists at The New York Times yet, but but we see this everywhere.

00:57:37.960 We see it in corporate America.

00:57:39.920 There's there's a new sheriff in town and a new mentality.

00:57:42.440 And and I think that the the the mentality of people doing this is now being met with a mentality saying, no, this is not acceptable.

00:57:50.640 And I think, again, I don't like anyone being fired, but I think it's great that they cannot do this with impunity.

00:57:55.440 Mm hmm. What do you make of all these professionals, Emily?

00:58:00.080 I mean, like, I don't pay that much attention to the blue haired on Twitter or whatever, blue sky.

00:58:04.660 I was going to say, how did anyone know what Karen Ataya said if it was on blue sky?

00:58:08.400 I know. That's a good point.

00:58:09.500 Because given her role, people were like, whoa, here she goes again.

00:58:12.940 I mean, the 10-7 thing was bad enough, but now here she goes again. 0.99

00:58:15.260 And there has been a rash of like like you say, pilots like corporate pilots and doctors.

00:58:25.740 One nurse who complained about a doctor who celebrated Charlie's assassination.

00:58:29.820 She just got laid off. 0.99

00:58:31.260 The nurse did for outing the doctor. 1.00

00:58:33.600 But I mean, the joy at his assassination is so widespread.

00:58:37.800 It's deeply unsettling.

00:58:40.200 Yeah. And what's interesting is the performative nature of it, too, that you would do this into a camera and then post it on the Internet.

00:58:47.100 It's not just feeling a moment of private joy, which is still reprehensible, but actually then sharing it.

00:58:52.600 And part of me wonders if just the opportunity to share it is actually what makes people think that they should feel joy.

00:58:59.520 Because you can get likes and retweets for posting stuff like this on TikTok or wherever it is.

00:59:05.440 And the fact that I mean, I think we just all need to pause for a second and think about why a teacher of children would think that's OK.

00:59:13.940 And from what I can tell, dozens of professionals, to your point, Megan, I mean, there are people compiling databases that are you have to go through and verify and confirm it.

00:59:22.880 I'm not a huge fan of some of what I see looking like crackdown type stuff, but there needs to be shame and there needs to be a pause and say, what in our cultural psychology right now is making so many people think it's rewarding to post that publicly, to celebrate stuff like that publicly?

00:59:42.440 It was completely insane. And it's beyond just the reasonable spectrum on the reasonable spectrum of opinion on an editorial board of a newspaper is completely we're talking about like doctors and nurses.

00:59:55.040 I genuinely don't get it. I don't get there. There are a lot of people on the left. I can't stand a lot of long list.

01:00:00.840 Never in a million years would I celebrate something like this happening to them.

01:00:04.680 I want to add one more level of insanity to it.

01:00:06.680 But the Washington Post, the New York Times this weekend wrote about these things and their reproachfulness in the news stories was not about what people were writing.

01:00:14.720 It was about people trying to call attention to it and they're being fired.

01:00:17.620 All of a sudden, after two decades of celebrating cancel culture, of having no hesitation to help people get fired, all of a sudden, it's like, how could people be how could people be identified as doing something wrong and be fired?

01:00:31.060 Accountability culture.

01:00:31.880 Yeah, all of a sudden.

01:00:33.540 And it's like, it's like, no, these stories should be about what's wrong with America, that people who are teachers and doctors and pilots would say these things about a man who was just assassinated.

01:00:43.560 No, it makes me wonder, like, how can we have that teacher teaching a class full of students that may include kids from conservative families?

01:00:50.600 How can we have that pilot flying a plane that may include someone like me?

01:00:53.700 Like, I, I don't want any of that. 0.99

01:00:56.040 And I also just feel like I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:01:00.600 A certain male gesture comes to mind when I hear them lamenting cancel culture. 0.99

01:01:05.320 Do you know what I mean?

01:01:05.900 That's exactly what I want to do.

01:01:07.480 Like, you've got to be kidding me. 0.99

01:01:09.780 I mean, honestly, some of us have actually experienced cancel culture up close and personal in our face over talking about fucking Halloween costumes. 0.98

01:01:17.660 And now they want me to feel bad that somebody gets fired because they cheered a political assassination of an innocent 31-year-old father of two. 0.98

01:01:25.900 I don't.

01:01:26.440 But they're saying this is ominous that our culture could head in this direction.

01:01:30.520 Where were you for 20 years as our culture headed in this direction?

01:01:34.200 It's just your friends weren't the targets back then.

01:01:36.520 Yes.

01:01:36.840 And the common thread is this inflation of a definition.

01:01:39.740 So racism.

01:01:40.580 If you can inflate the definition of racism, you can weaponize it.

01:01:44.240 And that's what's going back to the Karen Attia post.

01:01:46.600 It's like, this is obviously in context.

01:01:49.700 You're a journalist.

01:01:50.440 Take some time to contextualize it.

01:01:52.300 Read the full remarks.

01:01:53.280 Don't just take a social media post.

01:01:54.560 Like, that's insane. 0.99

01:01:55.300 And honestly, disqualifying if I'm an editor at the Washington Post in the first place, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:02:00.040 You're so careless. 0.99

01:02:00.900 Yeah.

01:02:01.280 This is insane.

01:02:02.440 How did it make it into print?

01:02:03.860 Like, that's also crazy.

01:02:05.720 But because that wasn't just a Twitter post.

01:02:07.420 That was in her column, wasn't it?

01:02:08.700 Yeah.

01:02:08.840 So that's crazy.

01:02:09.780 But secondly, like, how do you even get to a point where, as a journalist, you aren't actually saying this is the argument at hand?

01:02:21.720 You're taking it out of context.

01:02:23.520 You are flattening it into something completely different and doing that in good faith.

01:02:27.540 It's not.

01:02:28.060 It's bad faith. 1.00

01:02:28.800 It's either bad faith or incredibly stupid. 1.00

01:02:30.720 But that's what's been happening over the last 10 years, as many on the left have either cheerleaded for that or stayed silent. 1.00

01:02:37.940 And if you're right now concerned about cancel culture, join the club.

01:02:42.580 Like, everyone's been on this bandwagon for 10 years outside of elite media.

01:02:45.640 By the way, you created the bandwagon.

01:02:47.360 Yeah.

01:02:47.680 You built it.

01:02:48.340 But that's what happens when you're broadening these definitions of racism, sexism, misogyny.

01:02:52.680 You end up not hearing the nuance.

01:02:54.760 And for Karen Attaya, she's not making the best argument. 0.99

01:02:58.140 It's hurting her at the end of the day because she ends up making a stupid argument instead of one that actually would make sense. 0.98

01:03:03.960 She's like, well, now I'm free to say I'm going to be even more bold. 0.99

01:03:07.620 Oh, great.

01:03:08.300 Literally, no one's going to watch that. 1.00

01:03:09.860 Five days ago when Charlie was alive, people like her, Adam Schiff, their whole orientation in life was MAGA's evil, Trump's a fascist.

01:03:18.360 And I'd say, you know, maybe for 10 hours after Charlie was assassinated, they were like, well, let's consider everything.

01:03:24.380 It's all just back, right?

01:03:25.700 They can't help but go back to their orientation of, you know, they spent the weekend trying to say that this guy was super MAGA and that's why he killed Charlie.

01:03:34.280 That didn't stick.

01:03:35.860 They saw two white parents who were registered Republican.

01:03:39.160 He's not.

01:03:39.860 The shooter's registered unaffiliated.

01:03:41.520 And everybody, everybody from the Utah governor to the FBI to his friends and family say he'd been radicalized leftist.

01:03:48.500 But they won't.

01:03:50.080 They just go with, it seems like a MAGA loving family.

01:03:52.940 So he's MAGA.

01:03:53.500 But now they're back to having the orientation they had before.

01:03:57.440 Charlie must be demonized in death because he was close to Trump because that's all the only way they think.

01:04:02.780 Is it that, Mark?

01:04:03.820 Is it that?

01:04:05.220 I'm a legit question.

01:04:06.560 Like, I don't know the answer.

01:04:07.440 Or is it that he's suddenly an enormous threat?

01:04:11.360 They don't know what a threat he is.

01:04:13.820 You think they're totally clueless?

01:04:15.360 They know so little about him.

01:04:16.580 I think this could change the entire midterms.

01:04:18.780 Do you?

01:04:19.240 Yeah.

01:04:19.560 I think this could be galvanizing the way the Dobbs decision was.

01:04:21.780 But they have no idea what he did.

01:04:23.500 They don't have any idea what his following is like.

01:04:25.140 And this weekend, you saw the donations.

01:04:27.920 You saw the chapter request to be formed.

01:04:30.000 You saw the vigils around the country and around the world.

01:04:34.240 They were barely covered.

01:04:35.320 Again, you just think if this were a Democratic person of Charlie's place in the world, close to Barack Obama, these vigils would have led every newscast.

01:04:44.660 It would have been on the front page.

01:04:45.780 There's already been a statue.

01:04:46.780 Yes.

01:04:47.620 Barely covered.

01:04:48.800 Partly because they're hostile, but I think more because they don't understand.

01:04:52.080 They don't know anything about him.

01:04:53.420 I can't tell you the number of well-informed Democrats who said to me, oh, I've learned now about who this guy was.

01:04:59.540 I really didn't know much about him except he was some sort of young guy who was for Trump.

01:05:03.380 They don't understand that he was literally an historic figure.

01:05:05.960 And his memory, if Turning Point can execute, if the vice president and his team can execute, I think it could change the whole election.

01:05:14.560 But they don't know.

01:05:15.800 It's just like they've underestimated MAGA for 10 years.

01:05:18.340 People are flocking to the Republican Party in droves right now, not only because they want to be on Team Charlie.

01:05:24.800 They want to stand for the things that he stood for.

01:05:27.000 But they're looking at what's happening on the left saying, I don't want anything to do with that.

01:05:32.040 Right. Like, I don't even want to be associated with this vile reaction to something so horrifying.

01:05:38.540 That's, I think, the one thing that they really don't understand, that their side has become so repugnant.

01:05:43.520 They're driving the few people that were aligning with it before away.

01:05:47.820 When I grew up, you know, 70s and 80s, my family were all Democrats.

01:05:51.400 We weren't political, but they were all Democrats.

01:05:52.840 It was like, OK, we were Catholics.

01:05:55.020 So they didn't love that the Democrat Party was pro-abortion, pro-choice, whatever.

01:05:59.720 But they thought Republicans were for rich people.

01:06:02.740 We weren't rich.

01:06:03.620 So we had to vote Democrat.

01:06:04.760 That's pretty much what now my mom is 84. 0.88

01:06:07.120 She looks at there.

01:06:07.700 She's like, oh, my God, she doesn't recognize anything.

01:06:11.040 She like she voted for Trump.

01:06:12.440 And she, God willing, will vote Republican again.

01:06:16.120 But I think they're not they're not sufficiently calculating it.

01:06:19.660 And I also think, Mark, if they if they did, they still wouldn't change.

01:06:23.520 I agree.

01:06:24.540 Totally agree.

01:06:25.460 Well, honestly, that's that's actually where it gets even worse for them,

01:06:27.900 because as Charlie grew into the man that he was until last week, he had become so popular

01:06:37.120 in the context of of evangelizing and bringing people.

01:06:41.400 I mean, Brad Wilcox, who's an expert in trends about marriage, has looked at the data

01:06:45.380 and recently said Charlie Kirk may have been responsible in no small part for encouraging

01:06:51.020 young men like why we're seeing this movement with young men in terms of marriage.

01:06:54.720 You can also look at young men going back to church.

01:06:57.660 The blind spot that people who are just now coming to understand what Charlie Kirk meant

01:07:02.760 to Gen Z, that's remarkable in and of itself.

01:07:05.560 I mean, if you didn't know about that last Monday, you're completely out of touch with

01:07:10.560 the average like 18 to 29 year old actually younger than that, probably like 14.

01:07:14.620 He was such a good example.

01:07:15.860 You know, he Erica said in their like how they met and fell in love video that he would

01:07:22.780 wake up every morning and say to her, how can I serve you better? 0.99

01:07:26.340 You know, he and he took all the shit for because he was on camera saying women just submit 0.99

01:07:30.640 just submit to your husband. 1.00

01:07:32.020 It's like some shit from me for that. 1.00

01:07:33.460 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:33.820 I mean, it's like a jarring comment for 2025.

01:07:36.620 But I think he didn't mean just go along with everything your husband said.

01:07:40.140 He meant there are traditional roles and goodness can come if you choose to follow them.

01:07:45.740 It's not I said this on the air last week.

01:07:47.160 It's not how Doug and I approach our marriage.

01:07:50.180 But there's something beautiful about asking a wife to submit to the husband's needs and 0.99

01:07:56.620 desires at some point and having the wife having the husband wake up every day saying,

01:08:00.860 how can I serve you better?

01:08:01.940 Yeah, it's Ephesians 5. 0.98

01:08:02.880 And that's what he was talking about in the clip that I gave him shit for, honestly, because 0.71

01:08:05.600 I thought he should have kept going a little bit deeper into the verse, which Erica has 0.97

01:08:08.720 said is one of his favorite verses, Ephesians 5, which talks not just about the wives submitting,

01:08:13.220 but also about husbands loving their wives as Christ loved the church.

01:08:18.000 It's beautiful.

01:08:19.500 And that is a very positive example that we never saw in popular culture until people like

01:08:25.020 Charlie Kirk broke through.

01:08:26.580 He gave these young men a model, a model for how to date, how to ask a woman out, how to

01:08:32.120 woo her properly, court her, as Charlie said, not just when it comes to paying the tab,

01:08:36.980 but when it comes to actual courtship and being a man and being assertive and being confident

01:08:42.780 and being somebody a woman would be attracted to, right?

01:08:45.060 But not being Andrew Tate.

01:08:46.300 But not being Tate.

01:08:46.980 Yeah, exactly right.

01:08:48.140 And then how to be a husband, how to be a loving husband, a loving father, how to prioritize

01:08:52.860 your private life, how to talk about your future goals in a way that's aspirational

01:08:57.180 and directed as opposed to just wandering and meandering.

01:09:00.760 He's a huge priority for him and a huge source of his appeal, which again, people who haven't

01:09:05.180 studied him or listened to him don't realize.

01:09:07.020 They just think he was like some Trump flunky.

01:09:09.800 They're going to learn the hard way.

01:09:10.920 I hope you're right about the midterms and beyond, because I can feel those high school

01:09:14.460 chapters turning into voting Republicans in the next couple of years.

01:09:18.520 Mark's got to go.

01:09:19.320 Emily stays with us.

01:09:20.320 Don't go away.

01:09:20.960 We'll be right back.

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01:10:25.920 Like most husbands, even the good ones were sometimes imperfect.

01:10:29.940 And I took from that moment that I needed to be a better husband and I needed to be a better

01:10:34.940 father because of all these moments that I shared just in the last few days, the books

01:10:39.800 that I've read to my kids, going up to their bedroom and kissing them and hugging them

01:10:46.500 before bed.

01:10:47.240 I just realized that all of these moments that I get to have, Charlie is not able to have

01:10:52.980 them anymore.

01:10:53.700 And Charlie's kids and his beautiful wife are not able to have them anymore.

01:10:57.680 And maybe the best way that I can contribute and the best way that I can honor my dear friend

01:11:02.960 is to be the best husband that I can be.

01:11:05.380 To be the kind of husband to my wife that he was to his.

01:11:08.720 Well, that's the vice president of the United States, who is close personal friends with

01:11:13.720 Charlie, hosting Charlie's show today from the White House.

01:11:18.820 His team was on the White House long this morning, getting ready.

01:11:22.440 And inside the White House, they had on Caroline Levitt. 0.97

01:11:24.380 They had on Stephen Miller, J.D. Vance playing podcast host to honor his friend in an extraordinary

01:11:30.160 moment.

01:11:31.560 And good for him.

01:11:32.240 That's so beautiful. 0.99

01:11:33.160 You had, of course, these leftist assholes out there ripping on him like, don't you have 1.00

01:11:36.160 something better to do? 0.99

01:11:37.140 So, OK, you know, it's something that is a beautiful tribute.

01:11:42.300 It's a tenderhearted thing that most people with a soul can recognize is a beautiful tribute

01:11:47.660 that might help the family and others heal. 0.99

01:11:50.160 So honestly, just screw you and your ugliness. 0.99

01:11:52.940 I do want to play Jamel Hill, speaking of so-called journalists who have it all wrong. 1.00

01:11:58.140 Here's this jerk, SOP 15. 0.98

01:12:02.060 Of course, as you all know, in the wake of Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount 1.00

01:12:11.620 of angry discourse from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals, saying you're

01:12:18.220 the reason this happened, only to find out, surprise, 22-year-old white dude, love guns,

01:12:25.840 raised by two parents, lived in a good home, dad is a minister, also a sheriff, didn't check

01:12:36.520 any of them boxes y'all thought he would check, did he?

01:12:38.560 OK, first of all, a coat of mascara would be your friend.

01:12:44.580 I'm just going to tell this to you, woman to woman on television.

01:12:47.540 You need a little work and you should have them back off the camera a little bit because

01:12:51.000 you are not attractive enough to have that extreme close up.

01:12:53.980 Push away your laptop, Jamel, and add a filter or two.

01:12:57.900 Honestly, like we actually don't use any on this show because I do put on makeup.

01:13:01.720 So I look presentable.

01:13:02.520 But you need work because you can't both be ugly on the outside and the inside.

01:13:06.940 You need to choose one.

01:13:08.260 OK, choose one. 0.99

01:13:10.320 That is disgusting. 0.99

01:13:11.880 That was absolutely disgusting. 1.00

01:13:13.700 Fuck her. 1.00

01:13:14.480 It's it's weird how she lost the points about him being a furry, loving, trans dating. 1.00

01:13:21.700 I don't even know what this guy's fetishes were, but leftist ideology infected guy who wrote

01:13:27.320 on his bullets, anti-fascist catch and notices bulges, O-X-O, et cetera.

01:13:34.680 Didn't make her little monologue.

01:13:36.080 The smugness in that clip is unbearable and unthinkable for any decent human being to go

01:13:43.580 and make a public statement in the wake of somebody being assassinated in cold blood on

01:13:47.760 a college campus for practicing free speech.

01:13:49.960 The the impulse to take a smug victory lap because you think some people on the right

01:13:56.860 got it wrong when you are incorrect.

01:13:59.220 Right.

01:13:59.600 It's astounding.

01:14:00.900 I mean, the confidence and the arrogance with which people are coming out and spewing

01:14:05.080 some of this stuff tells you everything you need to know about the double standard, because

01:14:08.700 if the standard were fair, if conservatives and liberals were treated fairly in media,

01:14:12.700 that woman would have been laughed out of any serious venue. 1.00

01:14:16.320 I guess maybe she kind of has, but like it never would have stuck.

01:14:19.420 What are they going to do when and if it turns out that there's some trans ring that knew

01:14:25.980 about this and possibly helped?

01:14:29.060 Honestly, what is the media going to do with that?

01:14:31.940 They won't talk about it.

01:14:33.220 I mean, they're already not talking about it.

01:14:35.080 They're already like downplaying that part of the story.

01:14:38.260 NPR this morning was like, we may never know the motive.

01:14:40.500 Yeah, which is what happened to Butler.

01:14:41.800 We know.

01:14:42.380 We know the motive.

01:14:43.340 Yes, same thing.

01:14:44.000 We may never know.

01:14:44.560 So we must just move on.

01:14:45.860 Las Vegas, we may never know.

01:14:47.240 So we must just move on.

01:14:48.720 They literally wrote it on the bullet casings.

01:14:50.780 It's crazy.

01:14:51.380 I mean, it's so insane to be talking like that right now.

01:14:54.900 And I mean, like I, Charlie had enemies on like the disgusting fringe right.

01:15:02.200 And so it was not impossible at some point that that could have been the case.

01:15:06.060 And the best thing for everybody to do was to keep their powder dry because we didn't

01:15:09.680 know, although there were already signs that it was heading in this direction.

01:15:12.940 And when you have a conservative who is shot in cold blood in the middle of talking like

01:15:17.680 a conservative on a college campus, you, I mean, there's, there's some pretty obvious

01:15:22.500 assumptions.

01:15:23.460 And look at the moment he was shot.

01:15:24.560 Exactly.

01:15:24.940 That was another tell. 0.99

01:15:25.760 He's talking about trans shooters committing violence and causing mass shootings. 0.95

01:15:30.120 That's the moment that this particular shooter shot Charlie dead.

01:15:34.840 And I mean, like all of this is going to come out and we are going to figure out whether

01:15:38.060 those tweets in advance of the shooting about something big is going to happen.

01:15:42.800 And then we got them are in fact more than just random coincidence luck in predicting this

01:15:50.720 event.

01:15:51.080 I mean, look, we all know how this is going to land.

01:15:53.540 There's just no way that many of these trans people tweeting out from these accounts just

01:15:57.480 happened to call it like just happened to randomly predict Charlie was going to get hurt

01:16:01.240 at this event. 0.99

01:16:02.540 Fucking no way. 0.99

01:16:03.360 There's no way. 0.99

01:16:04.100 And the one thing I want to know is how many other people in the crowd were in on it.

01:16:08.020 You know, already people are super analyzing the video, like were those hand signals to

01:16:13.540 this person distract in order for him to get away?

01:16:16.460 As you Mark and I were discussing in the break, like, how did this guy know that he was going

01:16:20.660 to be able to just get on the rooftop?

01:16:22.180 Right.

01:16:22.520 I mean, how did he know that there wasn't going to be a security guard there?

01:16:24.940 Right.

01:16:25.280 How, how did he realize that it'd be such easy ingress and egress from this spot or some

01:16:29.680 type of obstruction from that point to the speaker?

01:16:32.680 I mean, who knows if there's like some type of barrier that gets put up a sign that, that

01:16:37.640 that is genuinely interesting.

01:16:38.880 And I also, I mean, I know I get Boston bombers five days.

01:16:41.900 It took them a really long time.

01:16:43.360 That was a completely botched investigation.

01:16:45.100 But this is a person who was out on the streets for 30 something hours after assassinating

01:16:50.360 a human being in a very crowded area.

01:16:54.120 So there are a lot of questions that still have not been answered.

01:16:58.360 And the sooner we get to those answers, the better, because otherwise people are going to

01:17:02.600 fill in the blanks and reasonably so in some cases, because these questions just seem like

01:17:07.280 the handful of social media postings.

01:17:09.400 It's not just one.

01:17:10.580 It's not just two.

01:17:11.500 No, it's more than that.

01:17:12.820 Multiple.

01:17:13.300 Go look at that free beacon report online.

01:17:15.280 It's heading their website right now.

01:17:17.140 It's got a lot of details and it's very dark and it's very believable.

01:17:21.640 I'm sorry, but it is.

01:17:22.640 We looked it up just in the past couple of years.

01:17:24.540 We've had seven mass shootings by trans identified shooters. 0.76

01:17:29.900 Seven.

01:17:30.460 This is number seven.

01:17:31.460 This guy's not trans, but he's into furry culture and he's dating a trans person. 0.62

01:17:37.200 It counts. 0.71

01:17:38.140 And he's written trans messages or furry messages on his bullet casings.

01:17:41.720 So we're good.

01:17:43.740 Seven.

01:17:44.740 That's a big number.

01:17:45.720 The left won't tell you that.

01:17:46.940 They'll pretend that it's nothing.

01:17:48.160 They go back from the beginning of shootings and say, percentage wise, how many is it?

01:17:51.820 That's not the meaningful metric.

01:17:53.400 Something has to be done.

01:17:54.920 I mean, we need to be protected.

01:17:56.060 Right now, the law is that you must hire this person that if you would otherwise hire them,

01:18:00.720 you cannot use their trans identification as a reason not to hire them.

01:18:04.100 Bostock, Neil Gorsuch.

01:18:05.780 Thanks a lot, Neil.

01:18:06.620 That'll be undone.

01:18:07.600 That's going to be undone.

01:18:08.720 You think so?

01:18:09.540 Oh, that's great news.

01:18:10.680 100%.

01:18:11.120 That's great news.

01:18:11.860 It's going to be undone.

01:18:12.560 That was written at a time before we had all this, when we were still in the fever state

01:18:17.060 of wokeism, thinking it was just kindness that was, you know, holding us back from recognizing

01:18:22.200 these people. 0.72

01:18:22.740 And now we've just seen an explosion of serious mental problems around them.

01:18:26.300 It would be absolute folly to require employers to take these people on.

01:18:29.680 Are you kidding me?

01:18:30.260 Or what about schools?

01:18:31.520 What about a pilot?

01:18:32.980 What are you like?

01:18:33.700 You want this kind of a person teaching your child?

01:18:36.300 I don't.

01:18:37.260 A furry?

01:18:38.200 Somebody who's on the spectrum at all on the trans.

01:18:40.220 I'm sorry, but I don't.

01:18:41.180 Well, in that case, and correct me if I'm wrong, but part of it was going back to a funeral

01:18:45.280 home where the employee was dressing as the opposite sex and the funeral home directors,

01:18:51.640 it was family business, were saying it's making people uncomfortable when they're mourning

01:18:55.360 and grieving, which is such an obvious downstream consequence.

01:18:59.580 They don't want to be thinking about you.

01:19:01.140 Right.

01:19:01.540 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:02.240 So, I mean, I think there should be a paradigm shift at this point.

01:19:05.940 And we, you know, remember this is what within two weeks of the shooter in Minneapolis

01:19:10.920 and so there's obviously-

01:19:12.640 Which has been totally memory hold.

01:19:14.460 And there's some copycat potential there as well.

01:19:16.600 We know that there's media contagion as it relates to these types of shootings.

01:19:20.280 So, I mean, that seems, again, like a pretty obvious piece of the puzzle here that nobody

01:19:24.720 in the major media outlets is talking about.

01:19:27.980 Yeah, it's deeply disturbing.

01:19:29.620 I mean, we'll continue to talk about it.

01:19:31.900 The MSNBC, they put out like this, there was a corporate letter by NBC, like we're going

01:19:37.960 to lower the temperature, of course, because it was MSNBC that had

01:19:40.900 Matthew Dowd on right after Charlie died, blaming him.

01:19:44.460 Oh, he didn't even know if he had died.

01:19:46.280 Yeah, he didn't know.

01:19:46.760 He was ready to-

01:19:47.300 He was just like, whatever, you know, he got shot and he deserved it.

01:19:50.760 And now here's MSNBC misinformation reporter, Brandi Zedrozgny.

01:19:56.840 Oh, yes.

01:19:57.280 She's on the case.

01:19:58.060 This is on Friday.

01:19:59.180 Listen, here's what she had to say.

01:20:00.800 It's not 16.

01:20:02.120 Again, it's really hard to tell when you look at what he put on these shell casings,

01:20:06.480 allegedly.

01:20:07.220 It's hard to decipher if he really means them, if he's trolling, if he's making fun,

01:20:11.880 if he is trying to set up another ideological enemy for the shooting.

01:20:16.800 It's just impossible to say.

01:20:18.360 Is it?

01:20:19.200 Because now we've heard from the Utah governor who says specifically he was indoctrinated

01:20:22.800 in left-wing ideology, which his family has backed up.

01:20:26.320 We know he hated Charlie Kirk. 0.94

01:20:27.900 And on top of that, he's into furries and he's dating a tranny. 1.00

01:20:32.000 So fuck off, Brandi Zedrozgny. 1.00

01:20:34.960 I look forward to you updating your report on MSNBC, which will never happen because she 1.00

01:20:39.940 doesn't actually care about misinformation.

01:20:42.020 Megan, I'm putting my glasses on because I think you are actually doing it wrong when

01:20:45.360 you are wearing hipster glasses like this.

01:20:46.960 You have to do up talk and be really, really pedantic because here's the thing.

01:20:51.980 We just don't know that people who are into furries are a little bit weirder than

01:20:55.840 the average person.

01:20:56.700 Who could possibly know?

01:20:57.900 I mean, it's just absurd to say that in public.

01:21:00.940 And by the way, there are all kinds of layers of irony that go into online shitposting and 0.94

01:21:06.260 trolling.

01:21:06.780 It is a deeply weird world, but it is not healthy.

01:21:09.560 And that's the black and white distinction that you need to make.

01:21:11.820 It is postmodern bananas craziness.

01:21:15.320 It is a gateway to insane like Marxist ideologies.

01:21:20.360 Obviously, many people have gone through that with their children. 1.00

01:21:23.320 So to just kind of whitewash it like that is pretty stupid. 1.00

01:21:27.060 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:27.420 I mean, this is like that's one of the big questions we have, which is how did this happen

01:21:32.060 to him?

01:21:32.680 Like, how did he go from a relatively normal ish kid? 0.99

01:21:36.740 I mean, he did get a full scholarship to Utah State and then dropped out after only one

01:21:42.080 semester.

01:21:42.400 So something happened.

01:21:44.440 We're going to find out what.

01:21:45.720 To me, he seemed like he was on the spectrum in a couple of those videos we saw.

01:21:50.160 He had the perfect grades.

01:21:51.540 He had a nearly perfect ACT score.

01:21:53.120 He was obviously very, very bright.

01:21:54.400 Sometimes you see that and like severe social deficit can go with that.

01:21:57.820 Not always, but sometimes.

01:21:58.780 And then he got radicalized somehow.

01:22:02.380 Was it through these gamer like we need to know we got to figure out was like somehow

01:22:06.160 game culture?

01:22:06.980 Was it the fact that he was into trannies and this guy radicalized him? 0.98

01:22:10.900 This guy twigs who's now cooperating? 0.62

01:22:12.880 I'd cooperate, too, if they found out that I knew about the shooting prior to the FBI

01:22:17.420 knocking on my door, you know, and now they're here and they've got evidence.

01:22:21.500 I sat on this.

01:22:22.140 Yeah, I'd cooperate, too. 1.00

01:22:23.120 I'd be begging to save my own ass. 1.00

01:22:25.380 I'm sure that's what he's doing. 0.99

01:22:26.320 And it looks like there were posts on Discord after the shooting, which is interesting.

01:22:30.780 Well, with their friends where they said this looks like Tyler.

01:22:33.160 Right.

01:22:33.560 And it's not the dad.

01:22:34.940 It's not until the dad turns him in.

01:22:37.540 Yeah.

01:22:37.820 No, the friends didn't actually believe it was Tyler.

01:22:40.040 Right.

01:22:40.520 But but did the roommate slash lover think that or know that?

01:22:45.600 No, that that person clearly knew that this is my supposition.

01:22:48.420 I don't know this.

01:22:49.440 That person clearly knew they had a note.

01:22:52.260 That's it was on the very clearly what the FBI is saying without saying it explicitly.

01:22:56.320 He was the shooter wrote a note to the roommate that was later destroyed saying he's coming

01:23:01.560 to town. 1.00

01:23:02.060 I have an opportunity to kill him and I'm going to take it. 1.00

01:23:04.860 So fuck off, twigs, because you appear to be the one who received that. 1.00

01:23:08.780 That's my guess. 1.00

01:23:09.900 But you definitely received the notes about I have bullet casings.

01:23:13.420 Here's where the gun is.

01:23:14.360 And I don't know whether he was looking for.

01:23:16.420 Here he is in his little furry wear.

01:23:18.180 What's his first name, Deb?

01:23:19.260 Lance.

01:23:19.940 Lance.

01:23:20.360 OK, thank you.

01:23:21.280 But then he changed it to Luna.

01:23:22.760 He started going by Luna.

01:23:24.680 But he clearly received the texts about the bullet casings and the gun after the shooting

01:23:28.760 and where they were.

01:23:29.420 It sounded to me like the shooter was looking for help cleaning up the mess that he left

01:23:32.980 behind.

01:23:33.360 Again, my supposition based on what they have told us.

01:23:36.200 But he did send texts to the roommate.

01:23:38.560 And now they have to be nice to him when there are discussions about him because he's talking

01:23:41.780 and they'll be nice until he can say no, nothing more new.

01:23:46.180 And then hopefully he will wind up in cuffs.

01:23:48.960 That's that's my own prayer.

01:23:50.580 I mean, I think it's going in that direction pretty clearly right now.

01:23:53.120 And that's I mean, it's it is almost impossibly impossible to conceive of a situation where

01:23:59.140 this person, from what we know right now, had absolutely zero inclination that there

01:24:03.280 was something going wrong. 0.95

01:24:04.340 And whether or not that's on one side of the law or the other, it is still a pathetic statement 0.55

01:24:08.980 on this human being that they saw another person spiraling and apparently let that happen 0.70

01:24:14.640 without realizing, oh, there's a gun involved.

01:24:16.880 I mean, presumably this person knew he had a gun.

01:24:20.500 There's no way he didn't know.

01:24:21.500 There's no way in my opinion, he knew I'll bet he knew in advance.

01:24:27.580 I'll bet he told some of his trans friends and that's why they were posting online.

01:24:31.920 This is happening.

01:24:33.060 I think there's a much larger group that knew.

01:24:35.460 And the only questions I have is how big was it and who else was in on it?

01:24:39.120 And like, at what level did it go to what level?

01:24:42.180 As you're saying that another thing I'm thinking of is that in a lot of these cases, if not

01:24:45.100 almost all of them, the person is killed at the scene and or, you know, Butler, that

01:24:50.300 was the case, we don't know if he was trying to get away.

01:24:52.340 We have no idea what was going on with that.

01:24:53.700 But this is someone who actually had an escape plan.

01:24:56.240 And that's not common in a situation like this, which does invite, I think, a lot more

01:25:01.240 questions about who else may have been coordinating.

01:25:03.780 Yep.

01:25:04.220 That's a hard thing to pull off.

01:25:06.040 Did he have help?

01:25:06.680 Did he?

01:25:06.900 By the way, he wasn't a student at this university.

01:25:08.760 So how did he get into the building?

01:25:10.480 Whose ID did he use?

01:25:12.400 That's probably one of the first questions they're asking themselves.

01:25:15.320 And how did he know that there wouldn't be security on that rooftop like we now see, at

01:25:20.780 least, you know, post-Butler, that's going to be more common, or at least a drone?

01:25:24.180 How was he so confident?

01:25:25.400 The FBI telling us today, for the first time, that they believe he may have thrown the gun

01:25:29.300 off the roof before he jumped.

01:25:32.200 That's news and information, but we're going to learn more.

01:25:34.900 We're going to learn answers to all these.

01:25:36.060 Before I let you go, can you just speak to the positives, like the outpourings that we've

01:25:41.640 seen, like South Korea, New Zealand, all over the Poland, the UK, with that Tommy Robinson

01:25:48.920 march that was chanting for Charlie, like all over our country, the turning point submissions

01:25:55.880 to form a chapter at your high school or your college.

01:25:58.660 There were 900 college.

01:25:59.820 There were 1,100 chapters in high schools.

01:26:01.940 They've received 32,000 applications as of 36 hours ago.

01:26:06.580 It's probably double that now.

01:26:08.720 Their way, like these are Charlie's social media followings, which were at 20 million,

01:26:12.800 have received 25 million more.

01:26:15.800 It's incredible.

01:26:17.060 And Erica, of course, is saying, this is only the beginning.

01:26:20.100 I'm not slowing this thing down at all.

01:26:23.100 I love that message.

01:26:24.700 It's a challenge, obviously, without Charlie, but I feel like people are super motivated to

01:26:31.320 hear more of his type of messaging and to get on board with his mission in a way the

01:26:37.040 left never could have predicted before this.

01:26:39.420 Chris Martin of Coldplay.

01:26:40.860 Chris Pratt posted a beautiful public prayer.

01:26:44.340 And Pat McAfee during college football.

01:26:48.120 I mean, I was at a-

01:26:48.740 Every NFL team but five honored Charlie this weekend?

01:26:51.820 Yep.

01:26:52.240 I was at a county fair on Saturday and saw people in homemade t-shirts that said Charlie

01:26:57.340 Kirk on them with a cross, like Sharpie on a white t-shirt.

01:27:00.340 Wow.

01:27:00.700 Incredible.

01:27:01.520 And so, yeah, I think this is something the left still hasn't quite wrapped its head around

01:27:05.480 is this was not just a political assassination.

01:27:08.760 This was a cultural assassination.

01:27:10.580 This was somebody who was intertwined in the fabric of Gen Z's popular culture.

01:27:14.520 And, you know, this is Turning Point's moment.

01:27:16.960 I mean, whatever differences I've had with them in the past, God bless.

01:27:19.820 This is a huge jumping off point.

01:27:22.820 They're not going to be slowing down anytime soon because Kirk trained up thousands of

01:27:28.120 many Charlies who now, by the way, have the best of Charlie as their example to go forward

01:27:34.140 with him talking about his faith, his marriage.

01:27:36.940 Just before he passed away, he said he thought his job was to prevent a revolution.

01:27:41.140 That is an incredible example for young conservatives.

01:27:43.760 And they now have that and will take that as rocket fuel.

01:27:48.420 I love how Erica mentioned in her remarks, we're going to make heaven crowded, honey.

01:27:53.120 We're going to make heaven crowded.

01:27:53.840 Like, get everybody there.

01:27:55.220 That was his goal.

01:27:55.860 Get everyone there.

01:27:56.980 That's how Charlie Kirk looked at the world.

01:27:58.720 I do want to show this one video that jumped out at me.

01:28:00.940 I thought it was so beautiful.

01:28:02.300 His name is Robbie Wood.

01:28:03.860 He posted something on TikTok about him wearing a suit.

01:28:08.120 And for the listening audience, he's in one as he's speaking.

01:28:10.900 It's not 27.

01:28:12.840 I didn't know.

01:28:14.220 Charlie Kirk never met that guy before in my life.

01:28:18.060 And something else that I've never done before in my life is believing God.

01:28:25.000 I'm going to wear this suit to church.

01:28:27.560 I'm going to go to church.

01:28:28.780 I'm going to try to be a better father, husband, and leader for my family.

01:28:39.040 I'm going to try, y'all.

01:28:40.200 Look at this suit.

01:28:41.560 I look good, bro.

01:28:42.940 Yeah, you do.

01:28:44.780 My wife made me feel this way.

01:28:47.620 Charlie's made me feel this way.

01:28:50.380 Wow.

01:28:51.280 And on the post, Emily, his dad responded, writing, son, you look like a million bucks.

01:28:57.940 Keep your head up, son.

01:28:59.600 And that fire in your eye.

01:29:01.340 Your dad is so proud of you.

01:29:02.940 I love you with all my heart.

01:29:04.300 And he responded, I love you too, dad.

01:29:06.900 Let's go.

01:29:07.700 That's awesome.

01:29:08.960 And I mean, that is just awesome.

01:29:10.360 And Charlie started as somebody who was using his platform to talk about fewer taxes, smaller

01:29:14.860 government.

01:29:15.540 He ended talking about how the most important thing that you can do in the world is have

01:29:19.820 a beautiful family.

01:29:20.920 Be a good husband.

01:29:21.640 Be a good father.

01:29:22.340 Be a good member of your community.

01:29:23.580 Be a good member of your church.

01:29:24.940 Go to church.

01:29:25.920 That is so special.

01:29:27.540 It really is.

01:29:28.120 It's amazing. 0.94

01:29:28.720 Those are the people I'm focusing on these days, not these losers like Jamel Hill, though

01:29:32.760 they managed to work their way into my algorithm here and there, Emily, and it gets my blood

01:29:38.600 boiling.

01:29:39.020 They do need to be called out, but I'm just more focused on his legacy.

01:29:42.320 It's crazy.

01:29:43.300 It's huge.

01:29:44.840 And it's growing by the minute, which is super exciting.

01:29:48.780 Lots of love.

01:29:50.000 Thanks, Megan.

01:29:50.340 We're going to be right back with Peter Navarro, who's here with us at SiriusXM HQ.

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01:31:00.900 We've been talking a lot in the past few days about the way the left has amped up the atmosphere

01:31:04.520 in America over the past few years, claiming President Trump and anyone associated with MAGA

01:31:08.860 are part of some fascist takeover.

01:31:10.420 They don't care how they talk about the right.

01:31:12.840 They don't care what the consequences are.

01:31:14.980 Well, one of their mechanisms, of course, has been their use of lawfare.

01:31:19.320 And one of the most egregious and prominent examples of that is Peter Navarro, who served

01:31:24.120 as director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy during Trump 1.0.

01:31:28.260 Last year, he spent four months in a federal prison in Miami after he was convicted of contempt

01:31:33.640 of Congress after he refused to cooperate with the J-6 committee and prosecutors and

01:31:38.160 a judge rejected his claims of executive privilege.

01:31:40.380 You may remember this dramatic moment from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee

01:31:45.220 last year when Navarro spoke about being released from prison that same morning and revealed

01:31:50.880 a surprise female guest.

01:31:52.580 Yes, indeed, this morning I did walk out of a federal prison in Miami.

01:32:05.740 Joe Biden and his Department of Injustice put me there.

01:32:11.280 I'm Peter Navarro.

01:32:12.640 I went to prison so you won't have to.

01:32:15.180 This is my beautiful girl.

01:32:16.940 She did the time with me. 0.99

01:32:18.520 That's what these friggin' Democrats don't understand. 0.99

01:32:21.260 They do this to our families. 0.99

01:32:25.240 She's my girl.

01:32:26.580 A kiss and a hug.

01:32:27.540 Ah, well, Peter's now back.

01:32:32.320 He's working at the White House as President Trump's Senior Counsel for Trade and Manufacturing,

01:32:36.480 and he's out with a new book with the woman you just saw on your screen, his fiancée,

01:32:40.760 Bonnie Brenner.

01:32:41.740 It's called, I Went to Prison So You Don't Have To, A Love and Lawfare Story in Trump Land.

01:32:48.140 Peter joins me now.

01:32:49.140 Great to see you.

01:32:49.860 Thanks for being here.

01:32:50.680 It's so nice to be with you here, man.

01:32:52.340 I'm sorry that you're saying we wanted to do a big segment on the book, but you know

01:32:56.020 with the Charlie News.

01:32:56.900 I'm grieving here, but the only thing about the book is it's so germane.

01:33:01.040 I mean, I wrote this as a warning to America that if they can come for me, they can come

01:33:09.180 for you.

01:33:09.580 If they can come for Donald Trump, they can come for anybody.

01:33:12.840 And what's so disturbing about what has happened with Charlie is this asymmetry between what the

01:33:26.500 left does to us and what we don't do to them.

01:33:31.760 And if you think about it, you have the very worst with the assassination, Charlie Kirk.

01:33:39.520 On the other hand, you've got both Steve Bannon and I going to prison for doing nothing more

01:33:46.020 than defending the Constitution.

01:33:47.360 In between, you have four carts of law trying to put Donald Trump in prison, two assassination

01:33:54.060 attempts.

01:33:54.820 Everybody I was in the White House with, Megan, during the first term, suffered from lawfare

01:34:01.480 in one way or the other, whether it was just getting subpoenaed and having to spend millions

01:34:06.720 of dollars like Dan Scavino, Mark Meadows.

01:34:10.760 I was here.

01:34:11.560 I came.

01:34:11.920 I'm here in New York because I was at the 9-11 ceremony in the morning and the reading

01:34:15.960 of the names, very moving.

01:34:17.120 And who was there?

01:34:19.640 Rudy, America's mayor.

01:34:21.480 The man had just been hit by a car like a week ago.

01:34:25.300 His ninth thoracic spine was in shambles.

01:34:29.040 That man was there.

01:34:29.840 But you know what the left has done to him?

01:34:31.360 They bankrupted that man.

01:34:34.140 Yep.

01:34:34.540 And we don't do that back.

01:34:36.700 And here's the problem.

01:34:38.720 If we don't hold them accountable for the lawfare, they're just going to keep doing it

01:34:43.540 again.

01:34:43.860 Yeah.

01:34:44.040 Whenever they get in power, they want to go all kumbayana.

01:34:46.880 Oh, let's come reason together.

01:34:49.320 And they call us fascists.

01:34:51.120 Isn't that ironic?

01:34:52.380 We're the fascists. 0.99

01:34:53.380 We're the ones they put in prison and kill. 0.97

01:34:57.020 And they're not the fascists.

01:35:00.740 It's been amazing after Charlie's assassination.

01:35:03.980 Our side has been out there singing Amazing Grace, holding vigils calmly together, holding

01:35:11.400 one another.

01:35:11.960 There's been no riots.

01:35:13.980 There's been no destruction of property.

01:35:15.880 There's been nothing that endangers cops.

01:35:17.980 There's a very clear and stark difference between the two sides.

01:35:21.240 That's who we are.

01:35:21.860 And they're dancing on his grave.

01:35:23.600 Yeah.

01:35:24.160 And I want to say this very clearly.

01:35:26.740 It's like there's the left now, even when they kind of praise Charlie and say he never

01:35:33.680 should have been shot, there's always a but.

01:35:37.380 There's always a but. 1.00

01:35:39.120 It's ridiculous. 0.99

01:35:39.260 And whenever that but comes in, that's a license to kill. 0.98

01:35:43.300 And they're sending the wrong message to people.

01:35:47.780 I don't understand.

01:35:48.540 Like you would never say, oh, you know, I disagree with, I'm not going to name it to

01:35:52.640 be in this hypothetical, but like far left Democrat congressperson.

01:35:56.440 But I'm really sorry they got assassinated.

01:35:58.540 Like you don't have to say the part about it.

01:36:00.540 I disagree.

01:36:01.600 That's for another time.

01:36:03.480 You only need the other part of the message.

01:36:05.160 Exactly.

01:36:05.980 And the whole social media thing.

01:36:09.880 I mean, I've been thinking a lot about what must be done.

01:36:14.300 I mean, one of the things we have to do is hold them accountable for the law they're waging.

01:36:20.640 There's very interesting.

01:36:21.460 Chuck Grassley, senator, has done a really good job with whistleblowers uncovering a lot of

01:36:26.780 what was done going back to the Russia hoax with the president.

01:36:30.040 Now, why do I mention that?

01:36:31.300 The agent, the FBI agent who came at me and my fiancee at Reagan Airport, five armed FBI

01:36:39.480 agents, put me in leg irons, put me in handcuffs.

01:36:43.160 This, Megan, this was the same guy who read the Steele dossier, the fake Steele dossier

01:36:50.040 that Hillary Clinton paid for.

01:36:52.100 They created the Russia hoax and said what?

01:36:55.020 That it was real, not a fake.

01:36:57.820 And that set in motion, Crossfire Hurricane, which was that whole thing, the Mueller report

01:37:03.660 and everything else.

01:37:04.620 And this guy, Giordino, was part of all of that.

01:37:08.200 And if you look at all these people who've tried to interfere with our elections, put Trump

01:37:13.780 in prison, take him down, get him out of office once he was in, this thing we have to hold.

01:37:20.420 It's James Comey.

01:37:22.920 It's Clapper.

01:37:24.060 It's Brennan.

01:37:24.740 It's Page.

01:37:25.380 It's Strzok.

01:37:26.200 It's lying.

01:37:27.580 Schiff.

01:37:27.900 And if you don't believe that we need to do that, then you don't understand if we don't

01:37:35.100 hold accountable, they'll do it again.

01:37:37.240 So you're not all up in arms about him threatening people like Tish James with a potential fraud

01:37:42.600 investigation or prosecution on her mortgage claims.

01:37:45.960 I am totally on board with that.

01:37:49.920 And I wish we were moving with all due speed because these people, I mean, if you just look

01:37:56.980 at what Grassley's uncovering, it's truly extraordinary.

01:37:59.620 This is the greatest political scandal in American history.

01:38:03.420 Not only did they try the Russia hoax in 2016, and by the way, another one they got was Mike

01:38:08.560 Flynn.

01:38:09.260 Yeah.

01:38:09.460 Do you remember that?

01:38:10.160 Big time.

01:38:10.560 I'll tell you what.

01:38:11.300 If Mike Flynn hadn't had to leave, we never would have got John Bolton.

01:38:15.280 And it's like these things have a way of really hurting us.

01:38:20.980 No.

01:38:21.880 Letitia James, that was a pure election interference. 1.00

01:38:26.040 No question about it.

01:38:27.820 Bragg here in New York City, down in Atlanta.

01:38:33.900 We don't forget this stuff.

01:38:35.580 Just because Donald Trump prevailed in a landslide, it could have went the other way.

01:38:42.440 And the difference between Charlie and Donald John Trump is a millimeter.

01:38:48.520 They both could be dead now.

01:38:50.500 I mean, it's just, it was that much.

01:38:53.580 Worst day I had in prison, July 13th.

01:38:56.100 I was actually watching that event in Butler on the television.

01:39:01.260 And I'm looking at it and I say, what the hell is going on here?

01:39:04.400 He's about going to be on a stage and you've got to stand at trees in the back where snipers

01:39:08.620 could be.

01:39:09.040 It just didn't look right to me.

01:39:11.180 And within minutes, the bullets were flying.

01:39:14.280 And it's like.

01:39:15.760 I mean, you're someone who knows firsthand the lengths to which the committed left will

01:39:21.520 go in order to win their battles from putting you in prison to what we saw with Charlie.

01:39:27.580 And it's got to stop.

01:39:29.200 The book is called I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To by Peter Navarro.

01:39:32.780 So please buy it and support Peter.

01:39:34.620 I wanted to give him an hour and we couldn't today for obvious reasons.

01:39:38.040 So please support him.

01:39:39.420 I went to prison so you won't have to.

01:39:41.000 Thank you, sir.

01:39:41.560 Thank you so much.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 15, 2025

Dan Bongino on Status of Charlie Kirk Assassin Investigation, Plus, Cultural Decline, with Mark Halperin, Emily Jashinsky, and Peter Navarro ｜ Ep. 1149

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